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UH, WELCOME TO OUR SEPTEMBER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HEARING.
[ Pledge of Allegiance]
UH, IF EVERYONE WOULD JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I PLEDGE TO.AND TO THE REST OF THEM, RIGHT.
[1. Discuss and take action regarding approval of the minutes of the August 18, 2020 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.]
UM, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE AUGUST, 1820, 20 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.CHARLES, I HAD ONE TYPO ON PAGE FOUR.
UM, SECOND PARAGRAPH, FOURTH LINE DOWN THE WORD VS.
IT'S THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.
PAGE THREE OF SIX, UM, IN THE SECOND FULL PARAGRAPH ON THE THIRD LINE, I THINK IT SHOULD READ.
ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS FOR CHARLES? OKAY.
ANYTHING THAT WAS INCORRECT? UH, IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO PROCEED EXCEPT THE DRAFT AS PRESENTED TO US WITH THOSE TWO EXCEPTIONS FOR CORRECTION? I HAVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS OPPOSED.
[2. Case 1809-Z/Baumann Building. Discussion, and take action on a recommendation regarding an ordinance changing the zoning on a .57-acre property located at 4901 Arapaho Road, which property is currently zoned PD, Planned Development, through Ordinance O04-048, by approving a new PD district, to allow a 5-story mixed use building.]
WAS A GUARD THROUGH OUR FIRST CASE, UM, CARRYING CASE 1809 Z BAUMAN BUILDING PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND TAKING ACTION ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING ON 0.5, SEVEN ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 49 OH ONE RAPAHOE ROAD, WHICH PROPERTIES YOU SOUND PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT THROUGH ORDINANCE OH ZERO FOUR DASH ZERO FOUR EIGHT BY PROVING A NEW PD DISTRICTS GIRLS.NOW WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A CASE THAT WAS TABLED LAST MONTH.
AND AS A QUICK REMINDER FOR THE COMMISSION, ANYONE WATCHING THE PROPOSALS FOR A FIVE STORY BUILDING, UH, THAT IS, UH, ABOUT JUST A LITTLE OVER 41,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN THE BUILDING THAT WAS PRESENTED LAST MONTH.
UM, IT WOULD INCLUDE A GROUND FLOOR PARKING, THREE STORIES OF COMMERCIAL USES WITH THE RESIDENTS ON THE TOP FLOOR.
UM, AND CAN I SAY, YOU'RE NOT TALKING, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE? SO I'M HEARING SOME FEEDBACK.
IT MIGHT BE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR.
UM, SO THE, AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE THING IS WHEN A COMMISSION TABLED IT LAST MONTH AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS SO THAT STAFF COULD GET SOME ADDITIONAL DIRECTION AND CLARITY ON FAA REGULATIONS RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS, UH, AS WELL AS TO ALLOW STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO WORK, UH, ON SOME PARKING AND STREETSCAPE ISSUES.
UH, SINCE THE LAST MEETING STAFF, UH, HAS SET UP TWO MEETINGS, UH, ONE WITH TEXTILE WHO IS THE ENTITY THAT ADMINISTERS, UH, FAA GRANT DISTRIBUTION.
AND THEN, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER MEETING YESTERDAY WITH FAA AND TEXDOT, UH, ON THIS ISSUE.
UH, AND THE, THE SHORT OF IT IS, UM, THE, THE COMMISSION ASKS US TO GO REACH OUT TO THOSE ENTITIES AND SEE IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO COMMIT TO, UM, NEVER, UH, HOLDING IT AGAINST THE AIRPORT OR THE TOWN, UH, THAT WE ALLOWED OR RESIDENTIAL USE WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS.
AND THEY WERE NOT, UH, WILLING TO COMMIT TO THAT AT THIS TIME.
UH, A LITTLE BIT DEEPER DIVE INTO THE ISSUE, PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND TALK ABOUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED F UH, FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATION, PART ONE 50 AIRPORT NOISE, COMPATIBILITY PLANNING.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT IS THE PRIMARY FEDERAL REGULATION THAT GUIDES AND CONTROLS, UH, PLANNING FOR AVIATION, UH, COMBAT, UH, NOISE COMPATIBILITY ON AND AROUND AIRPORTS.
AND IT'S CALLED PARK 50 FOR SHORT, UH, AND THE PART 50, UH, ESTABLISHES PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS AND METHODOLOGIES THAT ARE USED, UH, BY AIRPORTS, UH, FOR THE PREPARATION OF AIRPORT NOISE EXPOSURE MAPS, WHICH ARE THOSE NOISE CONTOURS.
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WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH, UH, AS WELL AS AIRPORT NOISE, COMPATIBILITY, UH, PROGRAMS THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT DO AIRPORTS DO, UH, TO MITIGATE, UH, THE NOISE WITHIN THOSE NOISE CONTOURS.UM, THE REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN, UH, THE PART 50 ARE VOLUNTARY, MEANING THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN AIRPORT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THEM.
UH, BUT IT IS A NECESSARY STEP TO GO THROUGH, UH, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE, UH, FEDERAL MONEY FROM FAA DISTRIBUTED THROUGH TEXT DOT.
AND ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND YOU AGREE TO, UM, DO THE STUDY AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED, ONCE YOU DO THE STUDY, THOSE REQUIREMENTS DO BECOME BINDING.
UH, AND, UH, THE TOWN IS OBLIGATED TO ABIDE BY THE REQUIREMENTS I MENTIONED, UH, LAST MONTH THAT, UH, THE TOWN'S NOISE CONTOURS WERE LAST UPDATED, UH, AND A PROCESS THAT WENT ON FROM 2003 TO 2005 AT THE END OF 2005.
THAT WAS, WAS THAT, THAT WAS AN UPDATE TO OUR PART ONE 50, UM, UH, UH, NOISE COMPATIBILITY PROGRAM.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE FAA IN 2005.
AND IT'S VERY, I THINK THE DOCUMENT THAT KIND OF WALKS THROUGH ALL OF THE VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS OF IT, BUT, BUT TWO THINGS JUST TO NOTE, UH, AS BACKGROUND, UH, IS, UH, IN THAT DOCUMENT, THE TOWN AGREED TO DISCOURAGE THE APPROVAL OF REZONINGS EXCEPTIONS, VARIANCES, AND CONDITIONAL USES, WHICH INTRODUCE NOISE, SENSITIVE DEVELOPMENT, UH, INTO AREAS EXPOSED TO NOISE, EXCEEDING, UH, THE 65 DECIBEL LEVEL, UM, WHICH IS THE NOISE COMFORTABLE.
UH, AND THEN LATER IN THE DOCUMENT AND A PART THAT TALKS ABOUT THE FAS APPROVAL, UH, OF OUR, UH, NOISE, UH, COMPATIBILITY PROGRAM, UH, IT STATES THAT THE FAA POLICY IS NEW NOISE, SENSITIVE LAND USES SHOULD BE PREVENTED FROM DEVELOPING AROUND AIRPORTS, UH, OR, AND THEN THIS PART GETS TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LAST MONTH, ABOUT HOW THERE WAS THAT FOOTNOTE TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT SAID WHERE RESIDENTIAL USES MUST BE APPROVED, THEN SOUND MITIGATION IS REQUIRED.
SO WHAT THIS GOES ON TO SAY FROM FAA IS THAT IN CASES WHERE PREVENTION IS NOT FEASIBLE BECAUSE THE AIRPORT SPONSOR DOES NOT CONTROL LAND USES, UH, THEY SHOULD BE RENDER COMPATIBLE WITH NOISE EXPOSURE LEVELS THROUGH MEASURES SUCH AS SOUND INSULATION DURING CONSTRUCTION.
SO I THINK THE, THE SCENARIO IN WHICH FAA CONTEMPLATES THAT MUST IS IF, UM, THERE'S SOME SCENARIO WHERE, UH, THE AIRPORT SPONSOR DOESN'T CONTROL THE LAND USE.
SO WE DO CONTROL THE LAND USE.
UH, I WENT AND ALL THAT TO SAY THAT, UH, BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE PART ONE 50 WAS REFERENCED A LOT IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH, UH, THE FAA YESTERDAY.
UM, AND AGAIN, THEY, THEY VIEW THAT WE AGREED TO ABIDE BY DEPARTMENT 50 REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO WHEN WE ASKED THEM SPECIFICALLY, IF THEY VIEWED RESIDENTIAL USES AS A NON-COMPATIBLE LAND USE WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS YES.
UH, WE ALSO ASKED IF, UH, IF THE TOWN WERE TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS, UH, WOULD THAT BE VIEWED AS A, A VIOLATION OF OUR, UM, APART WHEN 50 PLAN, UH, AND THE GRANT ASSURANCE THAT WE SIGNED TO ABIDE BY DEPARTMENT 50 PLAN A AND THEY SAID, YES, IT WOULD BE VIEWED AS A VIOLATION.
UH, WE ALSO ASKED THEM IF THERE WERE ANY EXCEPTIONS OR, OR WAYS AROUND THAT OR THINGS THAT WE OR THE APPLICANT COULD DO TO, UM, TO, TO NOT HAVE THAT BE THE CASE.
AND AT FIRST THEIR ANSWER WAS NO.
UH, BUT THEN FRANKLY, AFTER SOME PRESSING BY THE APPLICANT, UH, THEY AGREED, UH, TO, UH, KIND OF RUN THAT UP THE FLAGPOLE AND WHILE NONE OF THEM HAD EVER HEARD OF THAT BEING THE CASE AND EXCEPTION BEING GRANTED, UH, THEY SAID THEY, YOU KNOW, MEET INTERNALLY, UH, AND ASK THE QUESTION OF SOME HIGHER UPS WITHIN, UH, THE FAA OFFICE, REGIONAL OFFICE.
AND SO, UH, AS, AS PART OF, OF THE PROCESS OF TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY THAT THE TOWN MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT THAT COMMITMENT IN WRITING THAT IT WOULD BE A COMMITMENT THAT THEY WOULD NEVER, UH, HOLD US, UH, IN, IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING OR THAT IT WOULDN'T, UH, IMPACT POTENTIAL, UH, GRANT FUNDING.
UH, TEXTILE BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING CONSIDERATION IN THAT.
UM, THEY ALSO WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF WE ALLOW A, UH, USE THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS, DOES THAT CREATE ANY ISSUES AT THE AIRPORT WANTS TO GROW IN THE FUTURE? UM, THIS GETS WAY INTO THE WEEDS OF, OF, OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE FEDERAL MONEY IN A PROJECT, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT, UH, NEPA, FOR SURE.
UH, AND, UH, WHENEVER THERE'S FEDERAL MONEY INVOLVED IN, UH, A PLAN OR A PROGRAM, UH, YOU HAVE TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
AND PART OF THAT IS A NOISE ASSESSMENT.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT WITH THE DARK COTTON BELT AND WHAT NOISE MITIGATION IS REQUIRED ALONG THE COTTON BELT LINE, SAME WOULD APPLY IF WE EVER WANTED TO USE FEDERAL MONEY TO EXPAND THE AIRPORT FOR SOME REASON.
UM, IF THERE IS A NON-COMPATIBLE LAND USE THAT'S APPROVED CLOSE BY TO THE AIRPORT,
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UH, THE TOWN COULD HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO FURTHER MITIGATE THAT USE IN SOME WAY, UH, IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE AIRPORT.SO TEXDOT SAID THAT WAS A CONCERN THEY WANTED TO HEAR MORE FROM THE FAA, UH, ON HOW ALLOWING THIS WOULD IMPACT THAT.
UH, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT PRECEDENT DOES THIS SET FOR FUTURE REQUESTS FOR RESIDENCES? SO, UM, IT KINDA TURNED INTO A LONG QUESTION THAT WE HAD FOR THE FAA.
THEY COMMITTED TO HOLDING THOSE MEETINGS INTERNALLY AND GETTING BACK TO US, UH, WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS FROM YESTERDAY.
SO, UH, IT'LL BE A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE WE HAVE THAT ANSWER.
UH, I ALSO MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT ON OUR MEETING, UH, WITH TEXDOT TWO WEEKS AGO, THEY INDICATED THAT THERE'S SOME NEW FEDERAL GUIDANCE COMING OUT IN OCTOBER, UH, THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH NOISE, COMPATIBILITY, AND LAND USES AROUND AIRPORTS.
SO, UH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO NEED TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THAT SAYS.
AND SO, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS, UH, THOSE QUESTIONS BEING OUTSTANDING AND ALSO BECAUSE, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT SOME, SOME NEW PLANS THAT AS I MENTIONED, SHRUNK THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT, IT ALSO, UH, SHOWED PARTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
UH, FRANKLY, WE JUST GOT THOSE, UH, PLANS ON WEDNESDAY OF LAST WEEK.
THE AGENDA WAS POSTED ON THURSDAY LAST WEEK.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO FULLY GO THROUGH THOSE PLANS.
WE DIDN'T NOTICE IT WAS AN INCOMPLETE SET OF PLANS.
THERE WAS NO CIVIL PLANS, NO LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO A FULL REVIEW.
AND SO BECAUSE OF THE OUTSTANDING FAA QUESTIONS AND BECAUSE STAFF HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO A FULL REVIEW, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO TABLE THIS TO NEXT MONTH.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES ABOUT THIS NEW INFORMATION HE HAS? UM, GIVEN US, YEAH.
CHARLES, YOU HAD INDICATED THE, WANTED A DECISION TONIGHT AND NOT A CONTINUANCE.
SO AFTER THE MEETING YESTERDAY, DID, HAS THE APPLICANT CHANGED HIS MIND ON THAT POSITION? I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT AFTER THE MEETING YESTERDAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE MEETING YESTERDAY CHANGED THEIR OPINION ON THAT SUBJECT, WHERE WERE PRESENT, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO, UM, I CAN'T SEE YOU BOB CAUSE I'M ON AN IPAD.
SO LET ME MAKE SURE THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL GET TO YOU.
ONE REAL QUICK QUESTION IS THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER.
WHO IS THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER IN REGARDS TO WHAT ISSUE? THE WHOLE ISSUE I THOUGHT WAS THE FUNDING, THE, THE RESTRICTION ON FUNDING GOING FORWARD, IF THIS IS A PRICE ON, AND I'VE BEEN THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER.
SO THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY BE FOUND IN VIOLATION OF OUR GRANT ASSURANCES OR WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD BE HELD AGAINST THE TOWN, UH, WOULD BE, UH, THE FAA.
I'M AN INDIVIDUAL, WHO'S THE PERSON WHO MAKES A DECISION.
UM, SO I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHO SPECIFICALLY THAT PERSON IS.
I KNOW THAT PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO WERE KIND OF THE REGIONAL MANAGERS FOR THE FAA.
UH, I THINK THEY MENTIONED TALKING TO SORT OF THE, THE DIRECTOR OF, OF THE REGIONAL OFFICE, UH, BUT WHO ELSE THEY HAVE TO GO TO, TO, TO GIVE US A FINAL DETERMINATION.
HEY, CHARLES WILL, IF WE DECIDE TO TABLE THIS TONIGHT, WILL YOU COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT, UM, YOUR THOUGHTS ON RECEIVING INCOMPLETE, UM, PLANS AND ADDRESSING THE PARTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THEN THE STREETSCAPES, BECAUSE THAT WAS SORT OF A BIG DEAL TO THE, UH, TO THE BOARD.
AND, UH, THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS WE GET OVER THE FAA ISSUE NEXT WEEK, AND THEN WE GOT A TABLE AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OTHER ISSUES.
SO WILL YOU TRY TO WORK THAT OUT? SURE.
SO YEAH, THE, THE, THE, WE WOULD USE THE, THE NEXT MONTH TO, TO CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE APPLICANT, GET THE COMPLETE SET OF PLANS.
AND THEN WHAT WE'D WANT TO DO IS, IS LOOK AT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, IT HAS PERFECT COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMING AS CLOSE AS, AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE.
AND SO ONCE WE HAVE THE FULL SET OF PLANS, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF A CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
SO THAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES? OKAY.
SO NOW, UM, BOB, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK TO US, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAN ANDERSON.
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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.MY NAME IS DAN ANDERSON AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ON THE CALL LAST MONTH, BUT DID, DID LISTEN IN AND, UM, JUST WAS NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, BOB HAS HIRED ME TO KIND OF HELP THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND ENTITLEMENT PROCESS.
AND, UH, SO I'VE BEEN UP TO SPEED ON ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THE INCOMPLETE SET OF PLANS.
I GUESS WE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE, WITH THE, WITH THE TIMING OF THE MEETINGS BEING SO CLOSE TOGETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE, THE INTENT WAS TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE CORRIDOR REQUIREMENT TO DO THE ON STREET PARKING.
SO OUR ARCHITECT, TYLER, ADAM SAYS, UH, REDUCE THE SIZE OF OUR BUILDING, UM, PUSH THE LANDSCAPING BACK.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE DO NOW COMPLY WITH THE, UH, THE STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENT, UH, AND THE ON STREET PARKING.
UM, SO THAT THE INTENT THERE WAS TO, TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AND, UH, UH, ELIMINATE THAT VARIANCE.
UM, I GUESS THE BALANCE OF OUR PLANS WERE SUBMITTED IN COMPLETE THE PREVIOUS MONTH.
SO I THOUGHT, WELL, I GUESS WE FELT LIKE JUST SUBMITTING THIS FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING WAS, WAS SUFFICIENT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THOSE PLANS, UH, RESUBMITTED, UM, THE, WITH RESPECT TO THE FAA, WE, BOB AND I PARTICIPATED IN THE CALL WITH, WITH THE FAA AND TECHSTOP NOW THE OTHER DAY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, THE, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE FAA WAS WILLING TO LOOK AT IT AT POSSIBLY GRANTING A VARIANCE IF YOU WILL.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE IN OTHER STUDIES AROUND THE METROPLEX IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE 65, UH, LDN, UH, ALL OVER THE METROPLEX.
I'VE DONE TWO PROJECTS MYSELF FROM SOUTH LAKE THAT, UM, WE'RE IN THE 65 DECIBEL CORRIDOR.
UM, THE WAY THAT THEY, THE WAY THAT THOSE CITIES HANDLE IT IS THAT THE, THEY, THEY MAINTAIN A, WHAT THEY CALL AN ABROGATION EASEMENT AND RELEASE, WHICH IS A RELEASE OF ANY OBLIGATION, UH, OR ANY, ANY, UM, ANY LIABILITY WITH RESPECT TO THE AIRPORT.
SO WE WERE, WE WERE GOING TO, UH, AND WE'LL SUBMIT THAT TO CHARLES END TO THE FAA FOR CONSIDERATION AS, AS A WAY TO KIND OF ALLOW A VARIANCE IF YOU WILL, TO, TO THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, BUT BEING BUILT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S DONE ALL OVER THE METROPLEX WITH RESPECT TO BUILDING IN THIS 65 DECIBELS CONTOUR, UM, WITH RESIDENTIAL AND, AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT I GUESS, YEAH, TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE'D LIKE TO PURSUE, UH, PROCEEDING THIS EVENING, YOU KNOW, SINCE, SINCE WE ARE ONLY GOING WAIT, UH, NEED TO WAIT TWO WEEKS FOR THE FAS, UH, OUTCOME WITH THIS, WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST OR ASK IS THAT, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO APPROVE OUR DEVELOPMENT AS SUBMITTED AND AS REVISED, UH, MOST RECENTLY, UH, WITH SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE FAA.
SO THEREFORE WE COULD JUST MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETIME IN OCTOBER, UH, AND WE'D HAVE THE WORD FROM THE FAA AT THAT TIME.
CHARLES, WOULD YOU, COULD, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? SURE.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION IF, IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, WANTED TO DO THAT, I THINK FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL SOME ISSUES WITH THE PLANS THAT WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE FAA ISSUE IS THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ISSUE.
UM, AND SO I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD KIND OF BE POOR FORM TO, TO SHOW COUNCIL, UM, A SET OF PLANS THAT WE HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH.
WE BEING THE COMMISSION, HASN'T WORKED THROUGH ALL OF THE ISSUES TO FORMALIZE AN OPINION ON, UH, AND I THINK FRANKLY, THE FAA ISSUE IS A BIG ISSUE.
UM, AND SO TO KIND OF PUNT THAT TO, TO WAIT ON THE OUTCOME OF, OF THE FAA, UM, IF I WERE A COMMISSIONER, I, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE FAA HAS TO SAY BEFORE.
I, I PUT MY NAME ON HER RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, Y'ALLS CALL FOR CHARLES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE SOMETHING THAT IS GOT MORE QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED, ANSWERED QUESTIONS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE SET OF PLANS TO SEE WHAT'S BEING DONE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF PUTTING ALL THE ONUS ON YOU, CHARLES IN YOUR GROUP TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL DONE CORRECTLY.
IF WE SAY YES, CHARLES IS THE INCOMPLETE PORTION JUST RELATED TO THE ON STREET PARKING THAT WE'VE PROVIDED CURRENTLY, THEY NEED TO SEE A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AS IT RELATES TO THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE ON STREET PARKING, AS WELL AS A CIVIL SET OF PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO, UH, CONFLICTS WITH, UM, UTILITIES IN THE AREAS
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AS IT RELATES TO LANDSCAPING OR THE PLACEMENT OF SIDEWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, OR FRANKLY TO SEE IF, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO GET CLOSER TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AND ALSO WITH THE DECREASED SIZE OF THE BUILDING, YOU GOTTA SET, GOING TO HAVE TO REDO YOUR PARKING, UM, CALCULATIONS.AND WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE YET, BUT ALSO IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE APPLICANT, CHARLES, UM, WITH, WITH YOU AND, AND ALL THOSE IMPENDING, UM, ABSENCE, ARE THERE GOING TO BE ADEQUATE FOLKS TO REVIEW THE ADDITIONAL PLANS AS WELL AS WHAT BACKGROUND WORK ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR REPLACEMENT IS UP TO SPEED FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, APPLICANT? SURE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, TH THE MAIN OUTSTANDING ISSUES ARE, UH, A CIVIL REVIEW AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN REVIEW, AND, AND FRANKLY, OLGA AND I, AREN'T THE ONES THAT DO CIVIL PLAN REVIEW OR LANDSCAPE PLAN REVIEW, CIVIL PLAN REVIEW IS DONE BY A THIRD PARTY ENGINEERING FIRM, UH, AND LANDSCAPE PLAN REVIEW IS DONE BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THERE WILL BE CONTINUITY, UH, SORT OF LOOKING AT IT FROM A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE THAT IS SORT OF WHAT OLGA AND I DO.
UM, AND, UH, AUGUST HERE FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS, UM, HOPEFULLY, AND, UH, WE'RE ALSO HAVE, UH, SOME STAFF SUPPORT AND ALSO ON THE CALL TONIGHT IS, UH, WILSON KERR.
HE IS A, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
HE HAS A PLANNING BACKGROUND, SO HE KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE LANGUAGE AS WELL.
UH, AND SO WE'VE BEEN GETTING HIM UP TO SPEED ON, UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, INCLUDING ON THIS CASE, HE'S BEEN ON, ON, UH, THE, HE WAS ON THE FAA CALL, UH, THIS WEEK.
AND SO HE IS, IS, IS READY TO CARRY THE BALL FORWARD, UH, ON THIS ISSUE, UH, AS WE TRANSITION OUT.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR CHARLES BEFORE I OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
EFREN, JUST A CLARIFICATION IN THAT APP, IN THAT THE APPLICANT MADE A DESIRE TO APPROVE PART OF THE PLAN AND THEN CONTINGENT UPON WHATEVER THE FDA DOES.
UM, AND NOW AFTER HEARING THIS DISCUSSION, ARE THEY WILLING TO, UM, ACCEPT A POSTPONEMENT UNTIL THE NEXT P AND Z MEETING? OR DO OR DO THEY WANT AN ABSOLUTE DECISION TO NOT? MMM.
AND AGAIN, BOB, IF YOU DISAGREE, LET ME KNOW.
BUT I THINK, I THINK GIVEN I WAS NOT AWARE THAT I GUESS THERE ARE PLANS WERE BEING CONSIDERED NOT COMPLETE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY LAST MONTH WHEN WE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING, UM, W THEY WERE COMPLETE AND WE'VE TRIED TO COMPLY, OR OUR INTENT IS TO COMPLY WITH THE STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENT.
AND WE PROVIDED A DRAWING AS SUCH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A RIPPLE EFFECT THROUGH THE CIVIL AND LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TIME TO, TO GET SUBMITTED, BUT THE INTENT IS TO MEET THE STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE FAA ISSUE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, I THINK, UH, YES, GIVEN THOSE TWO KIND OF MAJOR ITEMS, UH, WE'RE WE'RE CONTENT WITH THE COMING BACK NEXT MONTH AND HAVING EVERYTHING UPDATED AND GETTING THE WORD FROM THE FAA AND HOPEFULLY GETTING APPROVAL.
SO HIS TAB IS TAD HERE, SOMEWHERE IN HERE.
SO TAD, IS IT APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT TO JUST, UH, CALL FOR, UH, ABOUT TO TABLE THIS, INSTEAD OF DOING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE DID THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST TIME, SO, OKAY.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO IT THIS TIME IF WE'RE GOING TO DO.
OKAY, SO DO I, PARDON? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING ON THIS CALL.
YOU KNOW, TWO THINGS THAT I'VE FOUND VERY INTERESTING IS WHEN WE HAD THE, A ZOOM CALL WITH TECH STOCK TEXT, DOC COULD NOT GIVE US A DEFINITE ANSWER THAT THEY WOULD EVER PULL FUNDING.
UM, IN FACT, THEY SAID THE DECISION WOULD GO TO THE FAA, UM, CAUSE I PUSHED THEM TO GIVE US AN ANSWER AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT WOULD DEFINITELY GO TO THE FAA.
THE OTHER THING I MIGHT ADD IS, SO YESTERDAY, WHEN WE WERE ON THE CALL WITH THE FAA, I ASKED MR. EBER, I SAID, CAN YOU TELL ME, HAS THE FAA EVER, UM, NOT ALLOWED, HAS EVER PULLED FUNDING FROM AN AIRPORT EVER BECAUSE OF ONE RESIDENCE AND HIS ANSWER WAS NO, NOT THAT HE EVER RECALLS.
AND SO I THINK IT'S A BIG TO DO ABOUT NOTHING.
TECH STOCK CANNOT GIVE US AN ANSWER.
THE FAA HAS NEVER ONCE EVER PULLED FUNDING TO A CITY, NOT TO MENTION THAT IF YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, YOU'LL KNOW THAT THE METROPLEX CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT THE ADDISON AIRPORT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE AIR ON THE SIM AIRPORT BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC IN THIS CITY.
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AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PULL THE FUNDING.UM, THERE'S JUST NO WAY THEY WILL.
THEY CAN'T, THEY GOTTA HAVE THE AIRPORT.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA FUND IT FROM NOW UNTIL THE END OF TIME, NO MATTER WHAT GOES ON, UM, THEY MAY LIKE TO THREATEN PEOPLE, BUT AGAIN, NO ONE WILL SAY THAT, YES, WE HAVE PULLED FUNDING BEFORE TO SOME AIRPORT BECAUSE OF A RESIDENCE AND TECHSTOP WILL NOT SAY YES, ABSOLUTELY.
Y'ALL CANNOT BUILD HERE THE BOTTOM LINE, IT'S UP TO THE CITY TO MAKE THE DECISION.
AND, UM, AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.
IT'S UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER WE LIVE IN THIS BUILDING OR NOT.
AND I DO WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING.
UH, THE TAXES ON IT WOULD BE $150,000 A YEAR TO THE CITY OF ADDISON.
UM, CURRENTLY IT'S NOTHING BUT A VACANT LOT.
AND SO WE HAVE MET WITH THE CITY TO ADJUST OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
WE CHANGED OUR SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT PARKING.
IF THAT, IF SOMEDAY WE NEED MORE PARKING, THEN WE CAN ADD IT TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
I MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DALLAS AIRED, RAPID TRANSFER TRANSPORTATION, DARK, UM, DID A DEVELOPMENT STUDY AND, UH, IT WAS ABOUT TRANSIT ORIENTED PARKING REDUCTIONS CONSIDERATIONS IN PLACE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD A SON HAS ONE IN PLACE OR NOT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS DART SAID THAT ALL OF THEIR FACILITIES ARE WAY OVER PARKED.
UM, 20% TO 30% IS THE AVERAGE.
THEY SET A 13 OUT OF 16 SITES AND ARE READING THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT THERE NEVER PEAKED ABOVE 80% UTILIZATION OVER THE COURSE OF 72 HOUR DATA COLLECTION PERIODS, THE EXCESS PARKING CAPACITY IN 13 SITES COMBINED STORE APPROXIMATELY 5,000, 4,529 SPACES.
THEY SAID TO CREATE MORE AND MORE PARKING IT, THEIR STUDY SHOWS PEOPLE WILL NOT USE DARK.
CAUSE IF THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING, THERE'S NO NEED TO USE IT.
SO WE ADJUSTED OUR PARKING, WE MADE THE SECOND FLOOR AVAILABLE AND WE ADJUSTED OUR SETBACK TO MEET THE CITY'S NEEDS.
WE CUT PART OF THE BUILDING OFF AND WE PUT IN STREET PARKING.
SO WE HAVE GIVEN AND GIVEN AND GIVEN.
AND, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LISTEN TO THE FACTS AND YOU CAN ASK, CHARLES, DID HE SAY YESTERDAY, HAVE THEY EVER ONCE HELD FUNDING FROM ANY CITY BECAUSE OF A RESIDENCE ANSWER? NO.
AND COULD TEXT DOC GIVE AN ANSWER? NO.
SO TO THANK BILL, WAKE UP WITH AN ANSWER SIX MONTHS FROM NOW A MONTH FROM NOW.
I DON'T THINK YOU EVER WILL, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK NO ONE HAS AN ANSWER.
IT'S JUST SOME CLOUDS IN THE SKY THAT ALL THIS COULD HAPPEN, BUT IT NEVER WILL HAPPEN.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE TABLE A CASE ONE EIGHT OH NINE DASH Z OR OUR NEXT MEETING TO HAVE THE FINAL ANSWERS ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE FAA AND ALSO TO SEE THE, THE NEXT MEETING CHARLES, UH, NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER 20TH.
OH, DO I HAVE ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
MOTION CARRIES AND BOB, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
[3. PUBLIC HEARING Case 1816-Z/Addison Senior Living. Public hearing, discussion, and take action on a recommendation regarding an ordinance changing the zoning on a 11.607-acre property located at the southwest corner of Dallas Parkway and Excel Parkway, from PD, Planned Development, to a new PD district in order to allow a senior living development and future office development.]
OKAY.UH, OUR SECOND CASE FOR DENIED IS PUBLIC HEARING CASE 18 SEVEN, UH, SORRY, 1816, ZEE ADDISON, SENIOR LIVING, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND TAKE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING ON A 11.607 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DALLAS PARKWAY AND XCEL PARKING A PARKWAY FOR A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO A NEW PD DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ALLOW SENIOR LIVING DEVELOPMENT AND FUTURE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
CHARLES, THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.
SO AS, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM MENTIONED, THIS IS A, ABOUT AN 11.6 ACRE SITE, UH, AT, UH, D AND T AND XCEL PARKWAY.
IT'S ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING, UH, VACANT SITES ALONG THE TOLLWAY.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR A HOSPITAL AND A COUPLE OF MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WAS DONE WHEN AT A TIME WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, THE METHODIST HOSPITAL, UH, WAS GOING TO LOCATE ON THIS PROPERTY.
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DECIDED TO, TO GO A COUPLE BLOCKS NORTH OF THIS, BUT THEY KIND OF LOCK THE PROPERTY INTO, UM, TO A, UH, UH, A MEDICAL USE, UH, FOR THE ZONING.UH, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS ZONED FOR HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE ONE HANOVER BUILDING.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A TWO HANNIBAL VERNON, THREE HANOVER ON, UH, THESE PROPERTIES THAT NEVER GOT CONSTRUCTED.
UH, AND SO, UM, THE PROPERTY WAS RECENTLY PURCHASED BY KALI PARTNERS, UH, WHO INTEND TO DEVELOP MOST OF THE PARCEL, UH, FOR HIGH DENSITY OFFICE, UH, BUT HAVE SOLD THE NORTHERN PORTION ABOUT 4.2 ACRES, UH, TO, UH, A SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPER.
AND SO, UH, THE PROPOSAL SHOWS, UH, A BUILDING THAT WOULD RANGE FROM TWO TO 11 STORIES AND HAS, UH, UM, KIND OF, UH, UH, THE TWO STORY KIND OF COMMON AREA THEN, UH, TWO PORTIONS THAT ARE FOUR STORIES FOR LIVING IN AN 11 STORY TOWER.
UM, THE, THE, UH, PROPOSAL WOULD INCLUDE 217 UNITS WITH THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO EXPAND TO A 248 DEPENDING ON MARKET DEMAND.
AND IT INCLUDES THE FULL SPECTRUM OF CARE.
SO IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY INDEPENDENT LIVING, BUT ALSO HAS A PORTION OF ASSISTED LIVING ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH MEMORY CARE.
AND IT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY URBAN, UH, STYLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT HAS FAIRLY MINIMAL SETBACKS.
UH, THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT A NEW EAST WEST STREET WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE SENIOR HOUSING IN BETWEEN WHERE THE SENIOR HOUSING WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND, UH, THAT STREET, UH, WOULD, UH, FOLLOW THE, UH, URBAN, UH, STANDARD, UH, FOR, UH, STREETS.
SO WOULD HAVE THE ON STREET PARKING, THE STREET TREES, AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING, UM, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG ADDISON ROAD, THEY'RE DEDICATING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY.
THE TOWN'S LONGTERM PLAN FOR ADDISON ROAD IS TO EVENTUALLY EXPAND THE STREET AT A MEDIAN SO THAT THERE'S SOME IMPROVED CAPACITY AND SAFETY, UH, FOR ADDISON ROAD, UH, AND THEN ALONGSIDE, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING A SIDE PATH.
ANOTHER THING THAT IS CALLED FOR IN THE TOWN'S MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS A SIDE PATH TRAIL THAT WOULD RUN THE LENGTH OF ADDISON ROAD, UH, FROM, UH, BELTLINE UP TO THE NORTHERN CITY OF THE MIDLINE.
AND SO THAT WOULD, UH, BE IMPLEMENTED ON THIS PROPERTY AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE HAVE OUR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT THAT WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT WHENEVER THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT INVOLVED.
OUR TYPICAL RATIO IS THAT WE REQUIRE TWO ACRES PER EVERY THOUSAND RESIDENTS WITH THE ASSUMPTION WILL BE ONE AND A HALF RESIDENTS PER UNIT.
UM, WE'VE REVISED THAT RATIO HERE JUST, UH, IN RECOGNITION THAT AS YOU MOVE UP IN THE CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR SENIOR LIVING, UH, PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND ENJOY PARKS AS, AS YOU WOULD A NORMAL RESIDENCE.
AND SO, UH, FOR THE INDEPENDENT LIVING, IT'S STILL THE SAME RATIO.
UH, WHEN YOU GET UP TO ASSISTED LIVING, WE SAID THAT, UH, WE WOULD APPLY THE RATIO AT ONE THIRD OF THE NORMAL RATE, AND THEN FOR MEMORY CARE, UH, WE WOULDN'T, UH, REQUIRE AN OPEN SPACE DEDICATION, UH, WHAT THAT WORKS OUT TO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE PROPOSED UNIT COUNTS, UH, WAS THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN OPEN SPACE, DEDICATION OF, UH, 0.4, EIGHT ACRES TO SHY A HALF AN ACRE, UM, AND GIVEN THE RELATIVELY SMALL SIZE OF THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO GO A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN OUR PARKS, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE EFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN, UM, FOR THIS WE'RE CONSIDERING A FEE IN LIEU OF DEDICATION.
AND SO INSTEAD OF DEDICATING THE LAND, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US MONEY, UH, TO GO PURCHASE LAND, OR MAKE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO OTHER PARKS, TO ADD CAPACITY TO THOSE PARKS.
UH, AND SO THE FEE IN LIEU OF THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, WOULD TAKE THAT DEDICATION SQUARE FOOTAGE, AGAIN, THAT 0.4 ACRES, UH, AND THEN APPLY A MARKET VALUE PER SQUARE FOOT TO THAT, WHICH WE'VE AGREED ON IT'S.
WE WANT TO KEEP THAT PRIVATE BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF THE DEAL POINTS OF, OF THIS.
UH, BUT IT'S A MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE COULD THEN GO.
AND LIKE I MENTIONED, GO IN AND PURCHASE OTHER PROPERTY IN THE AREA FOR MORE, UH, TRUE SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
SO, UH, TO PENCIL IN ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WOULD ESTABLISH USE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW, UH, ON THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, SENIOR HOUSING AND SOME, UH, SECONDARY, UH, USES THAT TYPICALLY GO WITH SENIOR HOUSING, UH, WHILE PRESERVING THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR HIGH DENSITY OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO ADD, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, FOR THE PROPOSAL, UM, AND LOOKING WHAT THE COMP PLAN SAYS, UH, ABOUT, UH, THIS PROPERTY AND THESE USES, IT SPEAKS TO IT IN TWO WAYS.
FIRST, IT SAYS THAT PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG THE TOLLWAY SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR HIGH DENSITY, UH, OFFICE.
UM, AND, UH, WHILE A PORTION OF THIS AS BEING, UM, UH, PUT ASIDE FOR, FOR SENIOR HOUSING, UH, IT STILL RESERVES THE MAJORITY OF THE TRACK, UH, FOR, UH, WHAT KALI HAS COMMITTED TO IS 550,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.
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ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF OFFICE SPACE THAT KALI WAS GONNA PROPOSE TO DO IN THE WHOLE THING, BUT JUST, UH, THROUGH TALLER BUILDINGS AND ADDITIONAL STRUCTURED PARKING, PUTTING MORE, UH, OR PUTTING THE SAME AMOUNT ON LESS LAND ON THE SOUTHERN HALF.SO WE FEEL THAT IT MAINTAINS, UH, THE INTENT OF THAT PORTION OF THE COMP PLAN.
THE COMP PLAN ALSO TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE CONCEPT OF NOW THAT WE HAVE MEDICAL, UH, THE, THE HOSPITAL METHODIST HOSPITAL, UH, ON THE NORTHERN END OF TOWN, MAYBE THIS PART OF THE TOWN BECOMES A MEDICAL DISTRICT.
UH, AND, UH, WE FELT THAT, THAT, UH, SENIOR HOUSING USE IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO DESIRED BY THE COMP PLAN, BUT ALSO AS A COMPLEMENTARY USE IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
SO IT MADE SENSE FOR IT TO BE LOCATED IN THIS AREA OF TOWN.
SO GIVEN THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AND WE HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YEAH, CHARLES, I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW, ACTUALLY I'M A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY AND IN ADDISON, YES.
FIRST AND ONLY, UM, IN TERMS OF THE 0.48 ACRES, UM, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE.
THE, UM, ONE IS HOW DO YOU CORRAL THOSE DOLLARS SO THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T USE THEM FOR MAINTENANCE OF PARKS OR OTHER PURPOSES.
IT IS SOLELY DEDICATED TO PURCHASING A PART.
UM, AND THEN TWO, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DECIDE WHAT PARK DO YOU WANT TO PURCHASE, UH, WITH THIS MONEY? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A, A BIG OPEN-ENDED CHECK THAT SOMEBODY IS HANDING OVER TO THE TOWN WITHOUT ANY REAL SPECIFICATIONS AS TO HOW IT'S GOING TO BE USED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OBLIGATION ON THE DEVELOPER WOULD JUST TO BE, TO, TO WRITE THE CHECK, THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE TOWN TO GOVERN ITSELF ON THE USE OF THAT MONEY, UM, THAT CAN BE PUT IN A RESTRICTED FUND.
THE COUNCIL, UH, CAN ADOPT POLICIES FOR WHAT THAT MONEY CAN BE USED FOR IT.
THIS IS OUR FIRST STAB AT USING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THOSE POLICIES IN PLACE, BUT, UH, WE CAN WORK VERY QUICKLY TO, UH, PUT THOSE INTO PLACE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED IN, IN, IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND MORE I SAID IS, IS, UM, CITIES USE THESE KINDS OF, THIS IS NOT AN UNCOMMON THING FOR CITIES TO DO.
CITIES OFTEN HAVE A FEE IN LIEU OF REQUIREMENT.
UM, AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY USED TO PURCHASE PROPERTY OR, UH, MAKE CONNECTIONS TO EXISTING PARKS OR, UH, MAKE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING PARKS, THOSE ARE ALL CONSIDERATIONS THAT A CITY CAN MAKE, UH, AS TO WHAT SPECIFICALLY THE MONEY IS USED FOR.
SO ULTIMATELY, THAT'S, THAT'S A COUNCIL QUESTION IT'S GETTING TO THE, THE, THE CONCEPT OF, OF WHAT PARK WOULD YOU BUY.
UM, THOSE DECISIONS ARE GONNA BE GUIDED BY, UH, THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
SO THE COMMISSION MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN THAT THE, UH, THE, THE TOWN JUST ADOPTED LAST YEAR, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH A TRAILS MASTER PLAN THAT I'M KIND OF WORK IN COORDINATION WITH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
AND SO I THINK THOSE TWO PLANNING DOCUMENTS WOULD, WOULD BE THE PRIMARY GUIDE INTO HOW THIS GETS USED.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT CONCEPT.
I THINK ADDISON NEEDS IT, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE IT BECOME A VERY VIABLE BUSINESS MODEL.
AND SO MAYBE APPLICANT CAN FILL IN SOME OF THE BLANKS HERE, BUT IN NOT REQUIRING THEM TO PUT IN SOME GREEN SPACE.
UM, SO SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES, SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES THAT I, THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH SIGNATURE, AND THEN TANYA, AND SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES, THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACES AND IT PARTICULARLY FOR THE INDEPENDENT LIVING WING.
SO IS THE APP, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE PLANS TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN SOME PARK SPACE REGARDLESS IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS ATTRACTIVE AND VIABLE FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS? SURE.
SO THERE IS DEFINITELY PRIVATE AMENITIES SPACE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSAL.
THERE'S, THERE'S A COURTYARD THAT SURROUNDED, UM, UH, ON THREE SIDES BY THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS YOU GET CLOSER TO ADDISON ROAD, UM, THERE IS SOME HUMIDITY SPACE ON, ON TOP OF THE GARAGE, UH, FOR, UM, FOR RESIDENTS.
UH, WE ALSO MADE SURE THAT THERE ARE WIDE SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THAT KIND OF CREATES LIKE A WALKING LOOP, IF YOU WILL, UH, AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY IS NOT 100% COVERED BY BUILDING.
SO THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING AS YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE FEEL THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT PRIVATE GREEN SPACE AND AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THIS IS JUST GETTING TO THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT.
WE TYPICALLY PUT ON DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF, OF A PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, DEDICATION.
AND THAT'S A SEGUE INTO THE, WHAT YOU CALL THE URBAN PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR OR COLLECTOR.
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IT LOOKS MORE LIKE JUST A WIDE ALLEYWAY CAUSE IT'S GOT DRIVEWAY ACCESS.IS IT REALLY A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR OR IS IT REALLY A COMBINED CARS, VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS? YEAH.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE URBAN, UH, PEDESTRIAN STANDARD FROM THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S YOUR, YOU HAVE, UH, A TWO LANE STREET, ONE IN EACH DIRECTION YOU'RE ON STREET PARKING TO CREATE SOME SEPARATION FROM THE DRIVE AISLE, THEN YOUR STREET TREES AND THEN YOUR SIDEWALK.
SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE MOST, UH, STREETS ARE GONNA SEE AN ADDISON CIRCLE OR ADDISON GROVE.
UM, SO THAT THAT'S, THAT IS THE BASIS OF THAT.
SO IT'S, IT WOULD HAVE BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
ONE OF THEM IS A FOLLOWUP TO TOM'S.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO A BACK THE GREEN SPACE BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS SO VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, AS Y'ALL KNOW, I HAVE AN ELDERLY PARENT, SO I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AROUND ASSISTED LIVING IN MEMORY CARE FACILITIES AND SO ON IN THE LAST DECADE OR SO, SO MUCH ACTUAL GREEN SPACES THERE.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT.
SO THE APPLICANT MAY BE TO FILL IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, OF PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
UM, I THINK THEY PROVIDED THAT TO US AT ONE POINT, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT AT MY, UM, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S EQUIVALENT TO WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE OF, OF, UH, OF A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT.
CHARLES, DO THEY OWN THE TRACK TO THE SOUTH? IT'S THE VACANT OFFICE TRACT? UH, IT'S JUST A, IT'S PART OF THE VACANT ENTIRE VACANT LOT, BUT, AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING NORTH SIDE, UM, ALSO OWNED BY THEM.
SO KALI PARTNERS WHO THE TYPICALLY AN OFFICE DEVELOPER OWNS THE 11 ACRES RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SELL THE, THE NORTHERN 4.7 ACRES.
I THINK IT WAS, UH, TO THIS SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPER, BUT CALLIE WOULD MAINTAIN OWNER'S PORTION.
SO THE, THE FACILITY WOULD NOT OWN TO THE SOUTH.
IT'S THE DEVELOPER THAT OWNS US OUT.
SO ADDING GREEN SPACE DOWN THERE TO BENEFIT THE SENIOR LIVING IS, IS OFF THE TABLE.
AND THIS MAY ACTUALLY BE FOR THE APPLICANT.
HOW DID THEY ANTICIPATE EXPANDING FROM 217 TO TWO 48 ONCE THE FACILITIES ARE BUILT? SURE.
SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN, UM, THE, IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, UH, AT, AT THE EDGE OF, OF ADDISON ROAD IN XCEL PARKWAY, UM, THE BUILDING MAKES SORT OF A YOU AROUND THE COURTYARD, BUT IT DOESN'T COMPLETE THE YOU RIGHT AWAY, UH, THAT, THAT NORTHERN YOU WOULD BE EXTENDED OUT ALL THE WAY TO ADDISON ROAD TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL UNITS.
SOME RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT THEY ARE ACCOUNTING TO GET APPROVAL, RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT COUNTING IT TO GET APPROVAL.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN OUR REVIEW OF THE AVAILABLE OPEN SPACE.
SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE SURPLUS FOR THE TIME BEING, UH, BUT IT, THE, THE APPROVAL WILL BE GIVEN UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES? YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE.
SO, SO CHARLES, I'VE GOT TO ASK A QUESTION ON THE OPEN SPACE AS WELL.
IF WE DID REQUIRE SOMETHING, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THAT PARCEL? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO FIT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, BUT WE WOULD GET, I MEAN, WE'D PROBABLY GET KIND OF THE REMNANT KIND OF TRIANGLE THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF THAT NEW COLLECTOR STREET AND THE TOLLWAY.
UM, AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY MEET THEIR DEDICATION REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MOST DESIRABLE PLACE FOR US TO HAVE A PARK, UH, LONGTERM, BASICALLY WE WOULD THEN JUST BE MAINTAINING.
WHAT'S LIKELY TO BE, YOU KNOW, ONLY USED BY THEIR RESIDENTS.
THE, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN REALLY TALKED ABOUT GETTING AWAY FROM SORT OF SMALLER SIZED PARKS AND CENTRALIZING THEM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU CAN GET SOME MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.
IT'S A LOT MORE EFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN A, YOU CAN PUT MORE AMENITIES IN THERE.
UM, THINGS LIKE THAT, THE AREA OF TOWN THAT WE'VE, UH, OR THAT THE PROPERTY THAT WE'VE TAUGHT PRELIMINARILY
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ABOUT POTENTIALLY MAKING A FUTURE PARK, UH, IN THIS AREA OF TOWN IS AS YOU GO, UH, NORTH ON ADDISON ROAD, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A VACANT LOT TO THE EAST JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO THE WEST GROVE, THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY ENCORE.THEY HAVE REALLY NO INTENT OF DOING ANYTHING WITH IT EVER.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS AND THE IDEA IS CAPTURED IN THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN, AND PERHAPS THE TOWN CAN DO A LONG TERM GROUND LEASE OF, OF THAT PROPERTY, UH, AND USE THAT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN THIS AREA.
ALWAYS, THAT'S JUST KIND OF A VERY CONCEPTUAL IDEA RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT, UH, TO ADD A MORE OPEN SPACE IN THIS AREA.
THE OTHER THING, UM, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT A STAFF LEVEL IS THE APARTMENTS IN THIS AREA OF TOWN ALONG WEST GROVER ARE GETTING FAIRLY OLD.
I MEAN, THEY'RE STILL IN GOOD SHAPE, BUT AS FAR AS GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS GO, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE ON THE TAIL END OF THEIR LIFE CYCLE.
AND SO AS THOSE, UH, POTENTIALLY REDEVELOP, THAT'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THIS BECOME A MORE INTEGRATED NEIGHBORHOOD OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT? UH, AND COULD THIS BE COMBINED WITH PERHAPS SOME OPEN SPACE THAT'S DEDICATED AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE A REALLY NICE, UH, PARK, UH, IN THIS AREA.
AND I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO THE, THIS NEW PUBLIC STREET BETWEEN, UH, DALLAS PARKWAY AND ADDISON ROAD, HOW HAS THAT, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE CONTROLLED IN ANY WAY? IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF SIGNALS OR ANYTHING THERE? UH, NO, THERE WERE NOT BE SIGNALS.
JUST STOP SIGNS, STOP SIGNS AT THE STREET.
IT WOULDN'T INHIBIT TRAFFIC ON ADDISON ROAD.
AND THEN THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY OPPORTUNITIES BY SPLITTING THIS UP AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DOWN ZONING.
UM, SO FOR THE SUB DISTRICT B WE'RE PROPOSING A MINIMUM OF SIX STORIES, MINIMUM OF 550,000 SQUARE FEET.
IS THAT, I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THAT IS THAT THE MAXIMUM YOU THINK WE COULD FIT ON THAT SPACE? SIX STORIES.
SO, UM, IT'S REALLY A QUESTION OF, OF ECONOMICS MORE THAN ANYTHING.
UM, WHAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT, UM, WELL, LET ME BACK, WE'VE HEARD THAT THIS SIDE IS TROUBLED, UH, FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT FOR OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE IS NOT A, UH, AN EXIT OFF THE TOLL WAY CONVENIENT FOR THIS PROPERTY, IF YOU WANT TO EXIT HERE, UH, OR IF YOU WANT TO, TO GET TO THIS SITE, YOU HAVE TO EXIT UP NORTH OF TRINITY MILLS.
UM, AND THERE'S A STREET, EVEN NORTH ATTORNEY MILLS.
I FORGET WHAT THAT EXIT ON TOLLWAY IS CALLED.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH FROM, YOU KNOW, THE FRISCO PLANO AREA INTO THIS, UH, TO THIS SITE, UM, IT'S KINDA DIFFICULT TO GET ACCESS TO.
SO, UH, THE PROPERTY HAS STRUGGLED TO, TO ATTRACT OFFICE TENANTS.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ONE KNOCK AGAINST IT.
I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE YOU HAVE IS, IS SIX STORIES ALLOWS YOU TO DO, UM, SOME HYBRID TILT WALL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH KEEPS CONSTRUCTION COSTS DOWN, UM, WHICH KEEPS RENT RATES DOWN FOR OFFICE.
ONCE YOU GET A HIGHER THAN THAT, YOU START TALKING ABOUT STILL FRAME, UH, AND, AND MORE EXPENSIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS, UH, AND THAT STARTS TO PRICE PEOPLE OUT OF, OF THE MARKET, PARTICULARLY AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
UH, WHEN IT'S SORT OF ON AN ISLAND OUT HERE, UH, BY ITSELF, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET THOSE KIND OF RENT RATES DOWN ADDISON CIRCLE, WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A NICER NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITIES, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PAY A PREMIUM FOR, BUT UP HERE OR WHETHER IT'S THE ACCESS ISSUE.
AND IT'S KIND OF ON AN ISLAND.
UM, UH, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OFFICE DEVELOPERS IS, IS THEY'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE, UM, TO PUSH THE DENSITY, UH, MUCH HIGHER THAN SIX STORIES, JUST BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
SO WE THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD, UH, IT'S ABOUT AS GOOD AS WE'RE GONNA GET ON THIS PROPERTY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S THAT SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE IS SPREAD OUT OVER THE FULL ACREAGE OR LIMITED HERE.
UH, AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH THE DENSITY UP ON THE TOLL WAY, I THINK IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT WE'D EVER GET AN 11 STORY OFFICE BUILDING, UH, TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, IN, IN ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE SHORT TERM.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S BENEFICIAL FROM THAT REGARD.
SO IF WE APPROVE THIS, WHEN WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO BEGIN AND HOW LONG BEFORE IT WOULD BE COMPLETE? THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A BETTER QUESTION FOR THEM THAN ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES? OKAY.
SO WHAT ARE APPLICANT LIKE TO TALK TO US AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR US?
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ARE THEY THERE? THIS IS GORDON GILMORE.I'M ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS, AND I ASSUME YOU CAN HEAR ME.
CAN'T SEE ME, BUT YOU CAN HEAR ME, UM, URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT RAISED ONE PROBLEM TO SOLVE REGARDING THE OPEN SPACE TO ACHIEVE THE MINIMUM SETBACKS AND URBAN STREETSCAPES WITH THE BUILDING CLOSE TO THE, THE STREET, THE PERIMETERS OF THE SITE THAT LEFT LITTLE OPEN SPACE TO REALLY, UM, DEAL WITH.
SO TO PROVIDE THE AMENITY OUTDOOR SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS, WE TURN TO THE, THE ROOFTOPS.
THERE'S A TWO STORY STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE, SURROUNDED BY THE INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS.
SO WE USE THE TOP OF THAT GARAGE AS THE ACTIVITY AMENITIES SPACE FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING RESIDENTS.
AND IT'S ALMOST 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE'LL INCLUDE A SWIMMING POOL AND, UH, LANDSCAPING, POTS, PLANETS, UH, LAWN AREAS, SHADE STRUCTURES, ET CETERA, AND OR THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE RESIDENTS.
THEY HAVE A, A PRIVATE COURTYARD, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY FOR THE SECURITY OF THE MEMORY CARE RESIDENTS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A, UH, LANDSCAPE ROOF TERRACE SPECIFICALLY FOR ASSISTED LIVING RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS BALCONIES ON EACH OF THE UPPER FLOORS OF THE ASSISTED LIVING BUILDING.
AND IN GENERAL, IT'S AN 11 STORY TOWER WITH LINKS TO THE TWO STORY AND FOUR STORY, INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS THAT SCREEN THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, THE COMMON AMENITY BUILDING A TWO STORY BUILDING IN THE CENTER WITH, WITH, UH, MOST OF THE AMENITIES SPACES, INCLUDING THE MAIN DINING ROOMS, UM, MEDIA ROOM, ART ROOM, CARD ROOM, UH, SALON AND SPA.
AND THAT CONNECTS TO THE BORE STORY ASSISTED LIVING, BUILDING MEMORY CARE IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO THEY HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO THEIR OUTDOOR SPACE.
AND THE THREE FLOORS ABOVE THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR ASSISTED LIVING EACH OR THE MEMORY CARE FLOOR, AND THE ASSISTED LIVING FLOORS HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, AMENITIES SPACES ON THEIR FLOORS.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SERVICES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'LL HAVE, UH, HOUSEKEEPING AND LONDON SERVICES, WELLNESS CENTER, WELLNESS CHECKUPS, WEEKLY WIRELESS INTERNET, UH, PHARMACY DELIVERY, EDUCATIONAL SERVICES, CONCIERGE SERVICES, COMPLIMENTARY SHUTTLE SERVICE AND TRANSPORTATION.
SO IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED TO BE, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU STAYED HOME, IS THIS A OWNERSHIP, UM, LIKE VENTANA OR IS IT STRICTLY FOR RENT? YEAH, I'LL ANSWER THAT ONE.
PETER PHILLIPS SEE WITH MADISON MARKET ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, IT IS A STRICTLY FOR RENT MODEL.
NOT NO BUY-IN NECESSARILY JUST FOR RENT.
AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE RIGHTS WILL BE? YEAH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
UM, BUT THEY WILL BE, THEY'LL BE AT THEIR HIGHER END OF THE MARKET.
SO I BELIEVE THE LOW END, WE HAVE A MIX OF UNITS BY THE WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT AN EXACT ANSWER.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE STUDIOS RIGHT THROUGH, UH, TWO BEDS.
UM, I BELIEVE THE MEMORY CARE ARE IN THE LOW SIXES, THE, UH, ASSISTED LIVE.
AND THAT INCLUDES FULL LEVEL OF CARE FOR MEMORY CARE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
SO THAT, THAT FACTORS IN THE 100% LEVEL OF CARE, THE ASSISTED LIVING, AND I'M DOING THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IF YOU GIVE ME A MINUTE, I CAN ACTUALLY OPEN UP OUR FILE, UM, IS IN THE, UH, SIX TO SEVEN RANGE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR TO FIVE LEVELS OF CARE.
WE HAVE NOT LOCKED THAT NUMBER IN JUST YET.
UM, AND THE REASON BEING WE'RE ACTUALLY SHORTLISTED DOWN TO, UH, TO, UH, OPERATORS, WE HAVE SEVERAL PREFERRED OPERATORS WE WORK WITH, UH, IN THIS MARKET AND OTHER MARKETS, UM, AND WE'RE BASICALLY FINE TUNING TO THE PREFERRED OPERATOR FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO WE WILL INVOLVE THEM A LITTLE MORE IN FINE TUNING THE RATES ONCE THEY'RE OFFICIALLY ON BOARD.
UM, THE, UH, INDEPENDENT LIVING WILL BE FROM THE, UM, LOW SIXES TO THE HIGH SEVENS.
UM, WE'VE DONE SOME, AND YOU MAY, THIS MAY BE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FROM YOU.
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO SIMILAR PRODUCT? WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ENSURE THAT WE ARE AT LEAST AT, OR EVEN A TOUCH BELOW THE SIMILAR
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COMPETITORS, UH, NEARBY IN THE METROPLEX WITHOUT THE NEED FOR THE BUYING COMPONENT, THAT'S OUR GOAL.UM, AND SO FAR WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE TRACKING THAT, UM, BUT THAT THAT'S THE END GOAL ULTIMATELY.
AND WHO DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR DIRECT COMPETITORS? UM, WELL, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
UM, AND, AND I'LL ANSWER THIS IN A, KIND OF A ROUNDABOUT WAY.
SO WE'VE DEVELOPED AND I'LL KIND OF ANSWER FROM A BACKWARD WAY AND WORK INTO IT.
THE, THE VENTANA, BELIEVE IT OR NOT WILL BE A COMPETITOR THERE'S LEGACY AT MIDTOWN, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THE LEGACY OF MIDTOWN IS GOING TO BE HEAVILY FOCUSED ON THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS OPEN TO, TO ALL, UH, UH, ALL DENOMINATIONS OF COURSE, BUT THAT, THAT WILL LIKELY BE A COMPETITOR.
UM, BUT THE REASON I WANT TO SORT OF ADD A LITTLE CAVEAT TO THE SIDE, WE'VE JUST RECENTLY OPENED A COMMUNITY IN MCKINNEY.
IT'S MORE OF A GARDEN STYLE CONCEPT, BUT HAS A VERY SIMILAR LEVEL OF AMENITY, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, ALL THE SERVICES THAT GORDON MENTIONED EARLIER.
AND WE ARE ACTUALLY ATTRACTING A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS THAT HAVE DECIDED NOT TO GO WITH THE BUY IN MODEL IN VENTANA, WHICH IS IN DALLAS, OF COURSE, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY ELECTING TO, UH, TO MOVE INTO OUR BRAND NEW FACILITY UP THERE IN MCKINNEY.
SO SOMETIMES YOU DON'T REALLY, YOU THINK, YOU KNOW WHO YOUR COMPETITORS ARE.
AND THEN IN THE COUNTY, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE NECESSARILY PULLING PEOPLE ALL THE WAY FROM DALLAS UP TO MCKINNEY, BUT WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
UM, WE MAY SEE THAT HAPPEN HERE IN ADDISON AS WELL.
SO, UM, UH, THERE'S SOME HIGHER END PRODUCTS TO THE NORTH OF US.
WE MAY PULL SOUTH, WE, WE EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN.
ACTUALLY, WE, UH, THE, THE HARDEST ONE TO PREDICT, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH SEVERAL DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS ON, THIS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN PULL FROM INSIDE THE LOOP TO THE NORTH.
UM, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNKNOWN, BUT WE'RE SEEING SOME MOVEMENT NORTH AT OUR MCKENNEY FACILITY AND A WHOLE LOT FURTHER NORTH AND ADDISON.
SO I'VE KIND OF MENTIONED A BIT OF A ROUNDABOUT WAY, BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE, UH, THE LONG WINDED SHORT ANSWER.
CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FINISH OUTS INSIDE THE APARTMENTS? AGAIN, THE ARCHITECTS MAY WANT TO HELP ME WITH THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT TOO.
UM, I'LL MCKINNEY PROJECT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMILAR WITH, UM, IT'S A VERY HIGH END SUBURBAN MODEL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE'RE AT TOP OF MARKET IN MCKINNEY.
WE INITIALLY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE ALWAYS INTENDED TO DESIGN IT THAT WAY.
UM, THINKING WE'D BE CLOSE TO THE TOP, BUT NOT QUITE UP AS IT TURNS OUT THAT DEMOGRAPHIC WE'VE ATTRACTED HAS REALLY BEEN TOP OF MARKET.
THOSE FINISHES, I BELIEVE AT TOP OF MARKET IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE USUAL ITEMS WE'LL, WE'LL THROW OUT LIKE NICE GRANITE COUNTERTOPS OR COURTS OR SOMETHING HIGH END LIKE THAT.
UM, HIGH END LIGHTING FIXTURES THROUGHOUT, UM, FLOORING, SELECTIONS, AND SO FORTH.
UM, THE, THE, UM, WHOOP WE OBVIOUSLY VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS JUST BEING AT THE PD STAGE, OF COURSE.
UM, NOT YET GETTING INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS, AND GORDON CAN ELABORATE ON THIS.
WE'LL DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES FROM A LOT OF OUR COMPETITORS IN THE MARKET THAT WE'VE JUST ELABORATE ON A LITTLE BIT, WE'LL KNOW THE LEVEL OF FINISHES THEY HAVE.
WE, WE EXPECT TO BE AT THAT LEVEL OF FINISH.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU FOLKS HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF TERRAIN OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE SEEING, UM, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IN MARKETING BROCHURES AND SO FORTH.
BUT I WOULD EXPECT TO BE AT A LEVEL OF FINISH, UM, IN LINE WITH THOSE FOLKS.
SO, UM, I KNOW GORDON, IF YOU WANT TO ELABORATE, OR JOE, PERHAPS I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ARCHITECTS ON THIS CALL WITH ME, CHERYL MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE MORE DETAILS, BUT IN GENERAL, THE INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS RANGE FROM A STUDIO OF 800 SQUARE FEET TO A TWO BEDROOM UNIT, 11, 1,115 SQUARE FEET, A LOT OF UNITS HAVE BALCONIES.
ALL THE BEDROOMS HAVE WALK IN CLOSETS.
IT WAS PETER SAID, GRANITE COUNTERS IN THE KITCHEN, A FULL APPLIANCES WASHER, WASHER, DRYER, AND EVERY APARTMENT, UM, DISHWASHER, UH, STOVE, OVEN, REFRIGERATOR, WHOLEHEARTED REFRIGERATOR.
WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY? WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE THINKING OF WHAT ELSE YOU CAN SAY.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, THROWN OUT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EIGHT AND 1100 SQUARE FEET.
SO ROUGHLY THE $6,800 THAT WAS REFERENCED EARLY, GOES ALONG WITH WHICH ONE OF THOSE FOUR PLANS.
THE SORT OF LOW SIXES WOULD BE THE STUDIO SIZE, THE EIGHT HUNDREDS WE ACTUALLY HAVE.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE CHART RIGHT NOW.
WE ACTUALLY GO AS HIGH AS 1500, BY THE WAY.
UM, THERE'S SOME, UH, WE HAVE 26, TWO BEDROOM AND DEN, UM, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THREE BED, BUT WITHOUT AN EXTERIOR WINDOW, POTENTIALLY FOR THE THIRD BEDROOM, WE REFERENCED IT AS A VAN.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE HIGH END, UM, PRICING THAT I GAVE EARLIER.
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LITTLE DIFFERENT OF COURSE, WITH THE LEVELS OF CARE.SO WE STARTED THE BASE RATE AND THEN LEVELS OF CARE VARY, UM, UH, DEPENDING ON THE RESIDENT'S NEEDS.
SO, UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT IN OUR MCKINNEY FACILITY, UM, JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, WHICH WILL BE VERY SIMILAR, UM, I THINK THE LOWEST LEVEL OF CARE IS IN THE 600 RANGE AND GOES UP TO THE MID THOUSANDS, LIKE 1500, 1600, DEPENDING ON THE NEED OF THE RESIDENCE.
UM, SO YEAH, SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERED WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
I JUST HOPE THEY PREPARED WELL FOR THEIR RETIREMENT IN THEIR ASSISTED LIVING.
CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GIVING ANYTHING AWAY.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY I WOULD ASK IS YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING A, A ROOFTOP AS BEING THE LOCATION WHERE THERE IS GOING TO BE A SHORT OF A, YOU KNOW, AN OUTDOOR AREA, IS THAT IT IS AN, IS THAT ON THE 11TH FLOOR? AND IS THERE ANY SHORT OF ROOF TO THAT OR IS THAT EXPOSED? I MEAN, MY EXPERIENCE IS THE HIGHER YOU GET UP OUTSIDE THE WINDIER.
IT IS THE LESS LIKELY FOR ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY POTENTIALLY ELDERLY PEOPLE TO VISIT THAT PLACE.
YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THAT COMMENT.
UM, THE OUTDOOR AMENITY AND, UH, I KEEP REFERENCING MCKINNEY, BUT WE'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT ONE INITIALLY.
UM, BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE HIRING PRODUCTS.
WE DID, WE, WE WERE VERY CAREFUL THERE TO ENSURE THE OUTDOOR MANDY THAT WAS DESIGNED COULD BE UTILIZED, UM, AS MANY MONTHS OF THE YEAR AS POSSIBLE.
OF COURSE, TEXAS, AS WE KNOW, HAS A VERY HOT SUMMER AND CAN HAVE SOME NASTY WINTER DAYS AS WELL.
WHAT WE'VE INTENT, WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IN GOLDEN CAN ELABORATE A LITTLE.
IF I MISS ANYTHING THE, UH, MAJOR AMENITY DECK, THE 20,000 SQUARE FEET YOU'RE REFERRED TO AS ON THE TOP OF THE PARKING, WHICH IS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE AND IT IS IN BETWEEN THE TOWER AND THE FOUR-STORY COMPONENT OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING.
AND I THINK THAT'S IN THE PACKET.
I HOPE IT IS THE CHILD'S SHARED WITH YOU ALL, UM, WHERE IT SHOWS THE SWIMMING POOL, UM, AND THAT IT'S REFERENCED AS LEVEL THREE, UM, ON THE OVERALL FLOOR PLANS.
AND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, A NECESSARY EXHIBIT FOUR FOR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE HAD TO PROVIDE FOR THE, UH, THIS MEETING.
UM, WE GET TO DETAIL THAT ALL WE'VE DONE IS JUST SHOWING GRAPHICALLY WHERE THE SWIMMING POOL WOULD BE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY ON THAT DEBT TO CREATE A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE AMENITIES SPACE THAT I THINK COULD BE USED MOST OF THE YEAR ROUND.
UM, IN THE HOTTEST SUMMER MONTHS, THE TOWEL WILL SHADE THE WESTERLY SUN FOR THE MOST PART ONCE THE, THAT WRAPS AROUND FROM THE SOUTH.
UM, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY INTRODUCE VARIOUS HEATING, UM, ELEMENTS ON PARTICULARS AND STRUCTURE SUCH AS THAT THE POOL ITSELF.
THIS IS ALWAYS A DEBATE ON OUR COMMUNITIES, HIDDEN SPRINGS.
UM, IT HAS ITS BENEFITS IN THAT IT'S A YEAR ROUND AMENITY, UH, THIS POOL WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS WHERE IT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE HEATED, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER OPTIONS TO ENSURE THAT THERE CAN BE MAXIMIZED TO AROUND THE POOLS OR USE AS MUCH FOR, UM, AQUA AEROBICS AND ITEMS SUCH AS THAT AS MUCH AS JUST SITTING BY IT AND SWIMMING.
SO, UM, WE WILL DEFINITELY BE FOCUSED ON ENSURING THAT AMENITY SPACES, UM, IS, UH, GOING TO BE USED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
CAUSE I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S A MASSIVE MARKETING POINT FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE IDEA THAT IT'S GOING TO BE OUTSIDE AND THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE IN TEXAS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE LAST FEW DAYS WHERE THE WEATHER HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, REMARKABLY PLEASANT, UH, YOU DON'T GET THAT VERY MUCH.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A, UH, LEVEL OF SEE IF WE GET IT RIGHT.
NO, IF YOU DON'T GET IT RIGHT, YOU'LL HAVE A COOL THAT NOBODY WILL BE AT.
UM, THE OTHER POINT WE'LL POINT OUT AS AN AMENITY, THAT'S AN INDOOR AMENITY.
WE DO HAVE A LOUNGE AND, UM, WE, THE INTENT OF THESE COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING SIDE, MANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT MOVE TO A PENDANT, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING.
THE WHOLE PSYCHOLOGY OF MOVING TO SENIORS COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF FOLKS ARE VERY RELUCTANT TO INITIALLY MOVE, UM, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
AND I WON'T NECESSARILY DIG INTO ALL OF THEM, BUT INDEPENDENT LIVING IS AN INTERESTING PSYCHOLOGY.
MOST FOLKS THAT MOVE TO INDEPENDENT LIVING BE A COUPLE OR AN INDIVIDUAL TAKE THE APPROACH.
MY GOD, I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TWO YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, IT'S KIND OF A VERY SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT.
SO PARTICULARLY IF, UH, IF I'M DOWN, KEEP IN MIND THE AVERAGE AGE, BY THE WAY, IT'S STILL IN THE 80 RANGE, LOW EIGHTIES, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SOME PEOPLE THINK INDEPENDENT MEANS 55 YEAR OLDS, THAT'S AGE RESTRICTED, MULTI, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE MUCH OLDER THAN YOU MAY THINK.
UM, THEY MAY HAVE LOST A SPOUSE OR SOMETHING THEY'RE QUITE LONELY.
THEY'RE AT HOME, WHATEVER THEY COME
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INTO INDEPENDENT AND ACTUALLY GET A NEW LEASE ON LIFE.BECAUSE NOW THEY'VE BASICALLY GOT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THEIR COMMUNITY, A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW FRIENDS.
UM, ALBUQUERQUE, ANYONE OPENED IN MARCH, IT'S SUCH A POSITIVE PLACE TO VISIT.
UM, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT, UH, HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A FALSE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WALK IN AS A LOT OF ELDERLY FOLKS, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE THE HAPPIEST, BUT THEY'RE AWESOME.
AND I THINK THAT'S HOW THIS COMMUNITY WOULD OPERATE JUST LIKE THAT ONE.
SO, UM, THE SOCIAL ASPECT AND TO THE POINT WHERE OUTDOOR MEN, THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED ALL AROUND A BIG FOCAL POINT WILL THIS WITH THIS LOUNGE OR THE SOCIAL SETTING UP HERE ON THE, ON THE TOP FLOOR.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE, UM, NOT ONLY SELLING POINT, BUT ONCE THE RESIDENTS HAVE MOVED IN, IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE AMENITY FOR THEM TO SOCIALIZE AND, AND, UH, SPEND TIME WITH THEIR FRIENDS.
I KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT THAT ONE OPEN IT'S LEVEL 11 ON THE, UH, OVERALL FLOOR PLANS, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE IT HANDY.
SO AS, AS A COMPANY THAT DEALS IN DEVELOPING SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES SOUNDED LIKE YOU'VE GOT QUITE A NUMBER IN THE AREA, AS WELL AS MAYBE NATIONALLY, HAVE YOU GUYS HAD TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO YOUR DESIGN IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT WE'RE LIVING IN, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY PROBABLY ANYTIME SOON.
AND JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHAT ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DONE AS A RESULT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
AND IT'S NOT JUST IMPACTING SENIOR LIVING, UM, IT'S IMPACT.
WE DO MEDICAL OFFICE AS WELL AND HOSPITALS SURGERY CENTERS AND THE LIKE, UM, WE ARE ACTIVELY, AND THE ARCHITECTS CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT TOO.
UM, I MIGHT START WITH ONE OF MY MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS AND I'LL ROLL INTO SENIOR LIVING.
UM, WE, AND THE REASON OUT YOU'LL SEE WHY I'VE KIND OF STARTED THAT POINT.
SO THE MEDICAL OFFICE, A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN THE FRONT DOORS, AND THEN WHAT'S EVERYONE WORRIED ABOUT TOUCHING DOOR HANDLES ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE AUTOMATIC DOORS AND SO FORTH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S A FULL TOUCH, TOUCH, FREE EXPERIENCE.
FOR ONE, WE OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE ALL THE VARIOUS SANITATION AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO MEDICAL OFFICER'S A LITTLE EASY.
WE HAVE PACKAGED ROOFTOP UNITS, UM, AND, UM, I HAD TO BRING UP UV LIGHT, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY VERY EFFECTIVE IN, UM, IN DESTROYING MUCH OF THE NASTIEST AS I'LL CALL THEM IN THE AIR.
SO WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT RETROFITTING, YOU KNOW, CURRENT BUILDINGS AND, OR IN OUR NEW BUILDINGS, INTRODUCING THOSE ELEMENTS TO IMPROVE ONE, THE AIR QUALITY, REMOVE, UH, THE NEED TO TOUCH THINGS.
UM, THE, UH, THE SPACING IS KIND OF IMPORTANT.
UM, AND I HAVE REFERENCED HIDDEN SPRINGS SWITCHING BACK TO SEEING THE LIVING WE HAVE FORTUNATELY IN THE LEASE UP PHASE.
SO WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF A BIT MORE SPACE, BUT, UM, KNOCK ON WOOD.
I'LL SAY THIS WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE IN HIDDEN SPRINGS IN THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OCCURRENCE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, DURING THIS TIME NOW THEY'VE TAKEN A BUNCH OF PRECAUTIONS IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, UH, VISITORS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE MEMORY CARE, EVEN THOUGH IN REALITY, IT IS USUALLY OPENED ACROSS TRAFFIC BETWEEN AOL AND MEMORY CARE, SORRY, AOL AND IO, WE'VE ACTUALLY RESTRICTED THAT ACCESS.
SO THE ASSISTED LIVING FOLKS HAVE, UH, COMPLETELY SORT OF KEPT THE NIP OUT OF THE BUILDING.
THE I'S KEPT STRICTLY KEPT IN THERE.
PART OF THE BUILDING REASON BEING IS IO FOLKS ARE INDEPENDENT.
THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT, AND THEY DO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY TO GO TO THE STORE OR WHATEVER THE ASSISTED LIVING FOLKS GENERALLY DO THAT THROUGH ORGANIZED SHUTTLE TRIPS AND SO FORTH.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL THAT TRAFFIC SO WE CAN PROTECT THE MORE VULNERABLE AND ASSISTED THEN IN THE AISLE COMPONENT, WE THEN PUT MEASURES IN PLACE TO, UH, SPACE THINGS OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH THE RESIDENTS ARE ALL TAKEN THE VARIOUS PRECAUTIONS, UM, THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT ASSIGNED SEATING IN THE DINING ROOM CURRENTLY.
TYPICALLY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT GOING FORWARD, MAYBE, BUT AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM, WE'VE ASSIGNED TABLES, ASSIGNED SEATING.
LIKE THEY'RE ALL WITHIN SORT OF THEIR SOCIALLY DISTANCE AREA WITHIN THE DINING SPACE AND, AND ITEMS SUCH AS THAT.
SO WE'RE STILL EVOLVING ON THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, WE'VE, UH, MY COLLEAGUES ACTUALLY LISTENING ON THIS CALL AND, UM, SHE MAY SPEAK IF NEEDED THAT SHE'S KIND OF BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CORPORATE FOLKS, OUR CORPORATE OFFICES UP IN DC, EVEN THOUGH ONE OF OUR TWO LARGEST OFFICES HERE IN DALLAS AND HOUSTON.
UM, AND THEY HAD A TASK FORCE PUT TOGETHER, UM, TO PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE BUNCH OF ACTION ITEMS THAT CAN APPLY TO A WHOLE HOST OF PRODUCTS.
AS WE DO SENIOR LIVING WITHIN MEDICAL, WE DO RETAIL, WE DO MIXED USE.
WE DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS AND THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER A TASK TASK FORCE, PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE BUNCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM, PROBABLY THE SAME THING.
MEP ENGINE IS A LIKELY LOOKING AT SIMILAR TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN ASSIST US.
SO, I MEAN, I COULD RAMBLE ON FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS IN PLACE AS WE SPEAK, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY EVALUATING TO ENSURE THAT WE CREATE THE SAFEST ENVIRONMENT POSSIBLE.
UM, RECOGNIZING THAT YEAH, WE COULD BE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER AND AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE AT SOME POINT, MAYBE.
SO ONE LAST QUESTION FOR ME WAS A AS CHARLES.
SO IF WE, IF THIS IS APPROVED,
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WHEN WOULD YOU START ON THIS PROJECT AND HOW LONG TO COMPLETION? YEAH, SO WITH, UM, THE, THE, UH, FINANCING PROCESS, WE'VE PENCILED IN 120 DAYS TO GET, GET THROUGH THAT.UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY DRIVEN A LITTLE BIT BY THE COVEN ENVIRONMENT.
UM, EQUITY IS IN GOOD SHAPE ON THIS PROJECT, THE BANKS, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE TEED UP AND PENCILED IN, THANKS FOR JUST BEING A LITTLE CAUTIOUS CAUSE OF COVID NOT BECAUSE OF OUR DEAL, OUR DEALS IN GOOD SHAPE.
IT'S JUST, THEY'RE JUST ENSURING THEIR BALANCE SHEETS ARE IN GOOD SHAPE OVERALL WITH NUMBER OF FOLKS I LEND TO, BUT THAT'S 120 DAY PROCESS.
UM, I MAY HAVE JOE OR GORDON REMIND ME ON THE DESIGN TIME, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A SIX TO EIGHT MONTH DESIGN.
IS THAT CORRECT? JOE OR GORDON WHO IS NOT ON MUTE? I THINK JOSEPH WAS NOT ON MUTE.
IT COULD BE MORE LIKE A NINE MONTH.
AND THEN, SO NINE MONTHS FOR DESIGN AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IS, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO, UH, THREE DIFFERENT GENERAL CONTRACTORS.
WE HAVEN'T SELECTED ONE YET, OF COURSE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE CLOSING.
UM, THEY'VE UH, INDICATED AT 22 MONTHS CONSTRUCTION OR A YEAR FROM NOW.
I MEAN, THIS IS QUITE A LARGE PROJECT, SO YEAH.
SO, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S, WHAT ABOUT A THREE YEAR PROCESS? GIVE WILL TAKE NALANDA THREE.
HAVE YOU JUST ALIGNED TO THAT REAL QUICK ONE POINT SOMETIMES WE DO TRY TO DO PHASE DESIGN TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF A HEAD START, UM, ON CIVIL AND THEN ROLL INTO, UM, A STRUCTURE THAT'S OLD.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT MUCH DETAIL WITH THE CITY YET IN TERMS OF, CAN WE GET A HEAD START ON SOME CIVIL ITEMS AND ONLY STRUCTURAL ITEMS AND SO FORTH? THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DEFINITELY EXPLORE TOO.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AS DEVELOPED AS IF IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE, WE WILL.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ALL INITIAL INDICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE FOR CHARLES.
AND THAT IS, IS THE ER AT THE METHODIST SPINE HOSPITAL PREPARED FOR AN INFLUX OF NEW PATIENTS WITH THEM.
SO WE HAVE NOT TALKED TO THEM.
UM, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE HOSPITAL WAS BUILT IN ANTICIPATION THAT IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD EXPAND.
UM, THEY COULD BUILD A PARKING GARAGE WHERE SOME OF THEIR SURFACE PARKING IS NOW AND THEN EXPAND THE HOSPITAL TO THE NORTH.
AND SO, UM, IN SOME WAYS IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM TO, FOR US TO BRING THEM ADDITIONAL, UH, CUSTOMERS THAT MAY HELP THEM, UH, MAY HELP THEM WITH THEIR EXPANSION PLANS.
WELL, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN ER, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT THEIR SPECIALTY.
AND I KNOW ONE TIME I ACTUALLY ENDED UP AT THAT, ER, AND I WAS THE ONLY PERSON THERE.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD, AND IF THEY HAVE, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO BE OKAY.
UM, AT THIS POINT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS, OLGA SHAKING HER HEAD.
UH, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT CHARLES OR OLGA AT THIS POINT OR BETWEEN YOURSELVES OR WE ALL TALKED OUT, EVEN YOU TOM, YOUR TALK OUT.
AT THAT POINT THEN, UH, WHEN SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SURE.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE 18, 16, Z ADDISON, SENIOR LIVING AS PRESENTED.
SO SOME OLGA GIVE IT TO ONE OF THEM.
OPPOSED? I DON'T HEAR ANY, SO MOTION CARRIES, SO CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK WITH THE COUNCIL.
SO I KNOW THIS ISN'T I KNOW IT ISN'T ON THERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, CHARLES, WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU AND I'M NOT GOING TO CRY, I THINK.
BUT, UM, I HAVE BEEN HERE SO LONG.
I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE CARMEN DAYS.
I HAVE BEEN HERE WHEN, WHEN CHARLES WAS JUST A MERE CHILD, ALMOST LITERALLY, AND NOW HE'S LEAVING US.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD BECAUSE I'M RUNNING THEM OFF AND I'M STILL HERE, BUT, UM,
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AND I'M JUST SAD THAT WE CAN'T TAKE YOU OUT AND TAKE YOU TO DINNER AND ALL THAT STUFF.SO WHEN ALL THIS MESS IS OVER, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND WE WILL DO THAT.
AND THEN WHEN ALL THIS MESS IS OVER, WE WILL HAVE A BABY SHOWER OR SOMETHING OR WE'LL GO TO LUNCH AND YOU'LL BRING THE BABY AND WE'LL DO SOMETHING.
CHARLES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR TOWN.
YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN ALL THE DIFFERENT ROLES YOU'VE HAD HERE.
AND, UH, SUNNYVILLE IS GONNA BE REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE YOU.
WELL, LET'S DO A ROAD TRIP TO SUNNYVALE.