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WELL WELCOME EVERYBODY TO OUR AUGUST PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING.[ Pledge of Allegiance]
AND SO EVERYONE WOULD JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.SO I HAVE UNITED AMERICA, AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY.
[1. Discuss and take action regarding the approval of the minutes of the July 21, 2020 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.]
OKAY.FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR JULY 21ST, 2020 PLANNING IS EVERY COMMISSION MEETING.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, UH, EDITS OF ANY KIND, ANY FRACTIONS? RIGHT.
ANY OPPOSED HEARING? NONE MOTION CARRIES.
[2. PUBLIC HEARING Case 1817-Z/UDR Fiori. Public hearing, discussion, and take action on a recommendation regarding an ordinance changing the zoning on a 4.40-acre property located at 3990 Vitruvian Way, which property is currently zoned PD, Planned Development, through Ordinance O07-034, as previously amended by ordinances O13-026, O16-017, and O19-06, by changing the density of the residential development.]
OKAY.UH, OUR FIRST CASE FOR TONIGHT CASE 18, 17, Z, YOU ALREADY ARE TO YOUR FIORI PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND TAKE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING ON A 4.4 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 39 98, WHICH WERE THE IN WAY, WHICH PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT THROUGH ORDINANCE OH ZERO SEVEN DASH ZERO 34 AS PREVIOUSLY AMENDED BY ORDINANCES OH ONE THREE DASH ZERO 29 OH ONE SIX DASH ZERO 17 AND OH 19 DASH ZERO SIX.
BY CHANGING THE DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
CHARLES, MAY WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.
I THINK THE COMMISSION IS PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE FIORI MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S PART OF THE BROADER VITRUVIAN PARK REDEVELOPMENT THAT THE FURY WAS APPROVED IN OR WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2011.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENITY SPACES AND AS THEY'VE KIND OF LEARNED HOW THE BUILDING IS BEING USED IN WHICH MAYBE SPACES ARE POPULAR AND WHICH AREN'T, UH, THEY HAVE ONE IMMUNITY SPACE, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST A BIG TABLE THAT, THAT RESIDENTS COULD RENT OUT FOR PARTIES OR WHATEVER.
IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A BIG DINNER PARTY WHERE YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO, WHEN YOU'RE A SMALLER APARTMENT, UM, THAT REALLY JUST HAS, HAS NEVER CAUGHT ON NEVER BEEN USED.
AND SO, UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING THE ABILITY TO CONVERT THAT ONE AMENITY SPACE INTO CALLING YOU NOW, UM, THE, THE, IT WOULD BE A ONE BEDROOM UNIT THAT WOULD BE 119 SQUARE FEET, WHICH COMPLIES WITH, UM, THE, THE UNIT SIZE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PDE.
UM, THEY'D STILL HAVE SEVEN MANDY SPACES, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONVERTING ALL OF THEIR MANDY SPACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST THIS ONE LIMITED AREA.
UM, AND THEN THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WE'RE MAKING ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THIS AS THEY'RE ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL PATIO DOOR ON THE SOUTH FACADE.
SO, UH, THIS WOULD INCREASE THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT FROM THREE 91 TO THREE 92.
SO IT'S A VERY SMALL MINOR CHANGE, BUT WITH HOW OUR ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN, EVEN THE SMALLEST CHANGE REQUIRES IT TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
UH, SO, UH, AGAIN, PRETTY MINOR REQUESTS AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO NO CONDITIONS, RIGHT? SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES? I HAVE ONE, THIS DOES SEEM KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD NOT GET APPROVAL FOR SPECIFIC ABOUT FOR TRIVION THEY HAVE TO COMBAT.
SO IT ACTUALLY IS, IS NOT JUST FOR TRIVIA AND IT'S EVERY, UM, EVERY PD THAT THE TALENT ADOPTS, UM, IN OUR ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THE KIND OF MINOR THINGS THAT STAFF CAN, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE FOR THE APPROVED, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR THE PD PROCESS.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IS ANY INCREASED AGAINST, EVEN IF IT'S ONE UNIT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN LESS THAN 1% OF INCREASE OVER THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS, ANY INCREASE IN DENSITY, UH, REQUIRES IT TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO VITRUVIAN IT'S EVERY PD IN TOWN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES? OKAY.
UM, CHARLES, IS THE APPLICANT WITH THIS OR DO THEY NEED TO MAKE A REPORT? UH, THEY'RE HERE.
I THINK THEY'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION UNLESS YOU WANT THEM TO, TO GIVE ONE COMMISSIONER.
SO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I JUST HAVE ONE, CATHERINE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME.
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SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.NO, IT'S ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN SORT OF A NEWER TREND.
UM, PART OF IT IS JUST UNDERSTANDING THE RESIDENTS AT ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION AND, AND SEEING WHAT, WHAT AMENITIES GET THE MOST USAGE.
AND, UH, ONE, ONE THING I COULD, IF I'M ALLOWED TO SHARE MY SCREEN, I COULD BRING UP ONE QUICK CHART THAT I PUT TOGETHER, UM, THAT, THAT OKAY.
TO DO, OR, UH, I THINK, I THINK YOU HAVE ANY ABILITY TO DO THAT.
LET ME JUST SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? SURE.
EVERYBODY PUT THEIR MICROPHONES ON MUTE, NOURISH REALLY TERRIBLE FEEDBACK.
SO CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE TABLE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I TEND TO LOOK A LOT AT WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING NEW PROJECTS IS LOOKING AT THE AMENITY SQUARE FOOTAGE RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL, UM, CALL IT UNIT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO IN THE CASE OF DECIDING WHAT ANOTHER UNIT MAKES SENSE THERE, OR SHOULD THERE BE MORE AMENITIES OR LESS, IT'S JUST THE WAY TO COMMON SIZE, WHAT, WHAT AMENITIES ARE OFFERED AT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE OTHER COMMUNITIES AT VITRUVIAN PARK.
UH, YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOMES, THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHIN THE UNITS TO COME UP WITH THE NET RENTABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE INTERIOR AMENITIES.
AND SO WHAT I DID WAS I LOOKED AT THE PLAN AND PULLED IN, UM, ALL OF THE CONDITIONED INTERIOR AMENITIES.
THEN THESE BUILDINGS IN THE CASE OF VITRUVIAN WEST IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LARGE CLUBHOUSE THAT SHARED.
AND SO IN THE CASE FOR THOSE THREE ACTUALLY TOOK ONE THIRD OF THAT SHARED CLUBHOUSE IN COMBINATION WITH ANY UNIQUE AMENITIES WITHIN THOSE BUILDINGS TO SORT OF COME UP WITH A COMMON SIZE PERCENTAGE OF CALL IT AMENITY INTERIOR AMENITY PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL UNIT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S AROUND 2.2%, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON AND PRETTY TYPICAL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT FIORE, WE'RE ACTUALLY AT PRIOR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDING THIS, CONVERTING THIS WINE ROOM INTO A UNIT WE'RE AT 3.8%.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPS OUT FROM, TO ME IS THAT IT'S POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S OVER, AMENITIZE ON A RELATIVE BASIS, JUST LOOKING AT, UM, OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA AND THIS AMENITY IN PARTICULAR, JUST TALKING TO THE LEASING STAFF AND THEIR FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS, IT JUST DOESN'T GET USED VERY MUCH.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS AMENITY SPACE TOO, IS IT HAS SOME REALLY NICE, UM, FLOOR TO CEILING WINDOWS THAT WOULD CREATE FOR GREAT VIEWS FOR, UM, A RESIDENT THAT WANTED TO LIVE THERE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S PARTIALLY WHAT'S DRIVING IT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT NEW TRENDS AND WHAT AMENITIES ARE BEING USED AND WHAT AREN'T A CON A COMMON ONE FOR EXAMPLE, IS MOVIE THEATERS.
YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A MOVIE THEATER, BUT MOST OF THE TIME THAT REALLY DOESN'T GET USED AND PEOPLE PREFER TO WATCH MOVIES IN THEIR HOUSE.
AND SO IT'S REALLY TRYING TO ADAPT TO TRENDS AND BE SENSITIVE TO THE USAGE OF THE SPACE AND TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT, WHAT IT COULD BE BEST USED FOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROB? GREAT.
WELL, UH, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CHARLES OR OLGA.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? NO SPEAKERS.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS.
ANY LAST QUESTIONS FOR EITHER APPLICANT OR CHARLES AT THIS POINT, HEARING NONE? UH, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO SECOND AT THIS POINT FOR CASE 18 ZERO NINE DASH Z.
WE APPROVE THIS, THIS CASE 18, 17.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, OH, I'M SORRY.
UH, WE NEED TO HAVE THE MOTION AGAIN.
WE APPROVE CASE 18, 17, Z UDR, FIORI, AND SECOND.
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ABOUT THAT.[3. PUBLIC HEARING Case 1809-Z/Baumann Building. Public hearing, discussion, and take action on a recommendation regarding an ordinance changing the zoning on a .57-acre property located at 4901 Arapaho Road, which property is currently zoned PD, Planned Development, through Ordinance O04-048, by approving a new PD district.]
OKAY.NEXT PUBLIC HEARING CASE, UH, 1809 Z BAUMAN BUILDING PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND TAKE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE ORDINANCE, CHANGING THE ZONING ON A 0.57 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 49 OR ONE ARAPAHO ROAD, WHICH PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, THROUGH ORDINANCE OH ZERO FOUR DASH ZERO FOUR EIGHT BY PROVING A NEW PD DISTRICT.
CHARLES KNOW WE HAVE THE CIRCUS WORK PLACE.
UH, YES, MA'AM AND THIS HAS GOT A LITTLE BIT LONG.
THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THIS REZONING, A REQUEST AS ATTRACT ROUGHLY A HALF AN ACRE, UH, LOCATED JUST TO THE EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF ARAPAHO AND EDMUND LEWIS DRIVE.
UH, IT'S EFFECTIVELY A REMAINDER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LEFTOVER FROM WHEN, WHAT IS NOW THE RADISSON HOTEL, UH, DEVELOPED AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS A FUTURE PARKING LOT EXPANSION FOR THAT HOTEL.
UH, MR. BOB BAUMAN RECENTLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A FIVE STORY BUILDING TOTALING 43,415 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE GROUND FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING WOULD BE, UH, PARKING, ENCLOSED PARKING, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THREE FOURS OF, UH, DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL USES AND THEN A TOP FLOOR CONTAINING ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT, UH, AS EVIDENCE THROUGH RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA SUCH AS EMILY AND THE WESTERN INTERNATIONAL OFFICE BUILDING, UH, THE TOWN IS FOCUSED ON EXTENDING THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT, UH, AND THE CHARACTER OF THAT DISTRICT SOUTH, UH, AND IMPROVING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IN THE AREA.
AND WE'VE APPROACHED, UH, THIS PROJECT IN A SIMILAR WAY AND ARE PROPOSING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BASED ON THE ADDISON, SORRY, THE URBAN CENTER STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO ADDISON CIRCLE, UH, WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT REQUESTING A CERTAIN ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, MUCH OF THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH THE URBAN CENTER STANDARDS AND THE SAFE TIME WE WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DETAILS AND STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS WITH THOSE ELEMENTS.
UH, BUT THERE ARE THREE AREAS OF CONCERN TO STAFF THAT I NEED TELL THEM THE STAFF REPORT, BUT WANT TO WALK THROUGH WITH THE COMMISSION.
THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE ISSUE OF, OF USE.
UH, AGAIN, THERE'S THREE FORMS OF COMMERCIAL USE OF THE STACK HAS NO ISSUE WITH THOSE USES.
UH, BUT STAFF DOES OBJECT TO THE INCLUSION OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE TOP FLOOR.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST TO THE SOUTHEAST OF, UH, ADDISON AIRPORT AND IT'S DIRECTLY UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH, PARTICULARLY, UH, IN THIS AREA BECAUSE MOST AIRPLANES TAKE OFF TO THE SOUTH AND THEN VEER TO THE EAST.
AND SO THEY'RE FLYING DIRECTLY OVER, UH, THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THE TOWN HAS HISTORICALLY TAKEN STEPS, UH, REQUIRED BY THE FAA TO PROTECT THE AIRPORT FROM INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ONE OF THE MEANS OF DOING SO YEAH.
IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF NOISE CONTOURS.
UH, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE TOWN HAS GONE OUT AND MEASURED THE SOUND LEVELS AROUND THE AIRPORT OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, UH, TO THE, TO UNDERSTAND KINDA WHAT THE BASE LEVEL OF NOISE IS CAUSED BY THE AIRPORT.
UH, AND THEN, UM, SOME THOSE CONTOURS KEPT NOISE SENSITIVE USES OUTSIDE OF THOSE CONTOURS.
UH, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE NOISE CONTOURS, THE TOWN IS NOT ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THE CONTOURS.
THERE ARE A FEW THAT WERE APPROVED, UH, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES THAT WERE AROUND BEFORE THE CONTOURS WERE THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED, UH, WHERE MR. BAUMANN IS CURRENTLY IS ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
UM, BUT, BUT THE, THE PROHIBITION OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS IS A LONGSTANDING PRACTICE.
IF NOT FORMAL POLICY OF THE TOWN.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT I PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW PRIOR STAFF HAS TOLD COUNTLESS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS OVER THE YEARS, THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS IS OFF LIMITS IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE AIRPORT.
UH, WHEN ADDISON CIRCLE, UH, WAS BEING DEVELOPED, THE COUNCIL WENT SO FAR AS TO INCLUDE A SECTION IN THE URBAN CENTER STANDARD, WHICH AGAIN, IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BASE THIS DEVELOPMENT OFF OF, UH, THAT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS.
UH, THE TOWN DID THIS, NOT ONLY TO PROTECT THE AIRPORT, UH, AND APPROVED USES.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD NEIGHBORS ADJACENT TO THE AIRPORT AND VICE VERSA, BUT ALSO FRANKLY, BECAUSE THE FAA REQUIRES US TO DO IT.
UH, THE TALENT HAS RECEIVED TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN GRANTS, UH, FROM THE, OKAY.
AND AS A CONDITION OF ACCEPTING THAT MONEY, THE TOWN HAS AGREED TO ABIDE BY, UM, CERTAIN FAA STANDARDS THAT INCLUDE AMONG OTHER THINGS, KEEPING INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT.
UH, AND THE FAA VIEW IS RESIDENTIAL USES AS INCOMPATIBLE WHEN THEY'RE WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS.
UH, AND SO IGNORING THIS AND, AND, AND ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL AND DISLOCATION, UH, WOULD VIOLATE THAT COMMITMENT THAT WE'VE MADE, UH, TO THE FAA AND OPENS THE DOOR TO FAA SCRUTINY, WHICH, UH, COULD A FUTURE GRANT FUNDING TO THE AIRPORT, UH, AND EVEN, UH, GIVES THE FAA THE ABILITY IF THEY WANTED TO, UH, TO REQUIRE THAT THE TOWN PAYBACK, UH, THE MILLIONS OF
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DOLLARS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, UH, PREVIOUSLY.UH, AND SO, UH, THAT THAT'S A CONCERN TO THE AIRPORT.
THAT'S CONCERNED TO STAFF AND IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT A PATH.
I THINK WE WANT TO GO DOWN OUR DOOR THAT I THINK WE WANT TO OPEN.
THE SECOND ISSUE WE HAVE RELATES TO PARKING, AND THIS GETS SOMEWHAT CONFUSING BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES AT PLAY TOGETHER HERE.
UH, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS A DISAGREEMENT OVER, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN, IN CALCULATING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
UM, THE, THE ZONING CODE DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN SMALL BUILDINGS, MEANING THOSE THAT ARE LESS THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, FROM THOSE, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE LARGER, THAT ARE LARGER THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AND FOR SMALL, UH, BUILDINGS, UH, THE, THE CODE INSTRUCTS, UH, THE TOWN TO CALCULATE THE PARKING RATIO, UH, BASED OFF OF THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE, MEANING ALL OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE BUILDING, REGARDLESS OF, OF HOW IT'S USED, OR IF IT'S PART OF A LEASE SPACE OR NOT.
IT'S AN ALL IN NUMBER, UH, BUT FOR LARGER BUILDINGS, IT DOES ALLOW FOR, UH, SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE AND ONLY LOOKING AT THE USABLE OR LEASEABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, AGAIN, LESS THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, WE SHOULD BE BASING THE PARKING CALCULATION AGAIN, OFF OF THAT, ALL IN NUMBER OF THE TOTAL GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING US TO TREAT THIS, UH, AS A LARGER BUILDING, UH, AND ONLY LOOK AT AT THE USABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT CAUSES THEM, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CALCULATING THE, THE BUILDING AS IF IT WAS LARGER.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT AS IF IT WERE A SMALLER BUILDING AND REQUIRE LESS PARKING.
AND SO THIS KIND OF BUILDS TO A DISPARITY AND THE TOTAL THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE REQUIRED VERSUS THE TOTAL THEY THINK SHOULD BE REQUIRED, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A SECOND.
UH, THE SECOND, UH, ISSUE AT PLAY HERE, AGAIN IN THIS, IN THIS SITUATION IS THE CLASSIFICATION OF THOSE USES AND HOW THE PARKING RATIO IS APPLIED TO THOSE USES.
UH, WE AGREE ON, UH, THE PROPOSED OFFICE USE ON, UH, THE SECOND FLOOR AND THEN THE MATTRESS, UH, BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE, UH, DESIGNATED AS A FURNITURE STORE OR A SHOWROOM ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
AND WE EVEN AGREE ON THE PARKING RATIO PORTION OF RESIDENTIAL ON THE TOP FLOOR.
REALLY THE ISSUE IS THE BUSINESS THAT'S PROPOSED ON THE FOURTH FLOOR.
UH, AND THAT IS WHERE MR. BAUMAN IS PROPOSING TO PUT HIS, HIS OWN BUSINESS, WHICH IS A MEN'S CLOTHING STORE.
UM, WE WOULD TYPICALLY TREAT THAT USE AS A RETAIL USE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A PARKING RATIO OF ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 250 SQUARE FEET, AGAIN, BASED ON THE URBAN CENTER PARKING STANDARDS, UH, BUT IN LISTENING TO HOW, UH, HE OPERATES HIS BUSINESS AS BY APPOINTMENT ONLY, AND SOME OTHER FACTS ABOUT THAT, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT, UH, AGAIN, HE, HE HAS A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN AN ADDISON FOR, I THINK ALMOST 20 YEARS OR MAYBE OVER 20 YEARS.
UM, AND IN ITS CURRENT BUILDING, THE TOWN ACTUALLY CLASSIFIES THAT HIS, HIS BUSINESS AS AN OFFICE USE.
AND SO WE ARE WILLING TO, TO CARRY FORWARD THAT CLASSIFICATION THAT WE'VE BEEN USING HISTORICALLY, UH, AND REQUIRE ONE SPACE PER 300 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK FROM A TYPICAL RETAIL USE.
UH, BUT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, TO KIND OF TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER, UH, AND REQUESTING TO BE TREATED, UH, SIMILARLY TO THE MATTRESS STORE ON THE FLOOR BELOW AS A SHOWROOM.
AND INSTEAD OF REQUIRING THE ONE FOR 300 RATIO, A MUCH LOWER RATIO OF ONE PER 1000, UH, IS WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING.
UH, SO BASED ON THE, UM, THE GROSS VERSUS USABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA, UH, AREA ISSUE, AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE IN CLASSIFYING, UH, MR. BAUMAN'S BUSINESS, UH, STAFF LOOKS AT THIS AND BELIEVES THAT 84 PARKING SPACES SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
AND THE APPLICANT IS CALCULATING IN A WAY THAT FOUR 53, UH, SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
SO THERE'S A PRETTY BIG DISPARITY THERE, UH, BUT EVEN STILL ONLY 45 SPACES ARE PROVIDED ON SITE LEAVING THE PROPERTY EIGHT SHORT OF, UH, WHAT'S REQUIRED EVEN BY THE APPLICANT'S OWN CALCULATION.
AND SO THEY'RE REQUESTING SOME ADDITIONAL RELIEF, UH, AND THE JUSTIFICATION THAT THEY'RE POINTING TO IS THAT THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER AND THE FUTURE SILVER LINE, UH, STOP.
AND, AND WHILE STAFF BELIEVES THAT THERE'S SOME MERIT TO, UH, SOME, SOME MINIMAL PARKING, UH, FORGIVENESS, IF YOU WILL, UH, DUE TO BEING ADJACENT TO THE TRANSIT CENTER, UM, THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY ASKING FOR A 15% REDUCTION, AND THAT SEEMS A BIT STEEP, UH, TO STAFF.
AND THEN WHEN YOU ADD THE OTHER ISSUES OF, OF NOT CATEGORY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, LIKE THE CODE INSTRUCTS US, UH, AND SOME OF THE USE ISSUES, YEAH.
STAFF WAS REALLY HESITANT JUST TO, TO BACK THE PROPERTY INTO TWO, UH, TIGHT OF A CORNER, UH, GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDING, UH, WE HOPE THE BUILDING IS AROUND FOR A VERY LONG TIME, EVEN AFTER THE CURRENT USERS ARE IN THE BUILDING.
UH, AND WE DON'T WANT THE BUILDING TO BE,
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YOU KNOW, UNVIABLE FOR FUTURE USES IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF LACK OF PARKING.AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY WE CAN DO IF THE PROPOSED USES MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE TOWN DOES HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO GO EVEN A STEP BEYOND THAT IN HOW WE CALCULATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ALLOW THE, UM, THE EXTRA LENIENCY FOR BEING ADJACENT TO THE TRANSIT CENTER.
SO, UM, THAT IS, UH, THE PARKING ISSUE.
AND THEN THE LAST ISSUE, UH, IS THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE URBAN PEDESTRIAN STANDARD, UH, THAT'S CALLED FOR IN THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN ON EDWIN LEWIS.
UH, THIS WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, UH, AND PROVIDE FOR AN EIGHT FOOT AREA FOR ON STREET PARKING, A SIX FOOT WIDE, A PARKWAY BUFFER WITH THE STREET TREES LIKE YOU SEE IN THE REST OF ADDISON CIRCLE.
UH, AND THEN, UM, AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK.
UH, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA FOR EMILY AND FOR WESTERN INTERNATIONAL.
AND AGAIN, WE, IT STAFF THINKS IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF EXTENDING THE ADDISON CIRCLE CHARACTER, CREATING THAT CONSISTENCY, UH, IN THE SENSE OF PLACE.
UH, AND IT WILL BE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THERE ARE HOPEFULLY MORE PEDESTRIANS IN THE AREA, UH, WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE DOING, UH, AROUND THE TRANSIT CENTER.
UH, AND SO WE THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF, UM, ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD, AND WE DON'T WANT TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, IN THIS CASE.
AND SO FOR THOSE THREE REASONS, UM, STOCK IS, IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE REQUEST.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SARAH IS I HAVE JUST ONE AT THIS POINT, BUT I'M SURE WHAT ELSE.
UM, WE CAN SIT HERE ALL NIGHT AND DEBATE THE PARKING.
UM, I MEAN, A 43,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING VERSUS 50 PUTS YOU OVER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT SHOWROOMS VERSUS OFFICE RETAIL, THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, THOUGH, BEFORE WE GET DOWN THOSE RABBIT HOLES IS HOW DO WE WORK THROUGH THE FAA ISSUE? UM, IF, IF THAT'S EVEN WORKABLE.
CAUSE IF YOU, IF WE CAN'T GET PAST THE FAA, WE DON'T NEED TO BE SITTING HERE ALL NIGHT LONG, TALKING ABOUT PARKING AND MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU, I MEAN, HOW THE COUNCIL YOU THINK WOULD, WOULD LOOK UPON THIS, WHAT THE, THE P AND Z STAFF CONSIDERS YOU'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH FAA, SO GO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL INTO, IS THERE A WORK AROUND THIS THING AT ALL? IS THERE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THAT COULD BE REQUEST TO DO TO BE BUILT ON THE RIGHT? SO I'M A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON THE, THE ISSUE WITH, WITH THE FAA.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THE NOISE CONTOURS.
WE HAVE WHAT THE FAA SAYS ARE COMPATIBLE USES WITHIN THOSE CONTOURS.
AND THEN THAT KIND OF BUILDS UP TO, UM, AGAIN, WHENEVER WE ACCEPT MONEY FROM THE FAA, WE AGREE TO WHAT ARE CALLED GRANT ASSURANCES.
THAT MEAN THAT WE WILL ABIDE BY THE FAA REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND SO, UH, THE, THE FAA, UH, VIEWS RESIDENTIAL AS AN INCOMPATIBLE USE, AND THERE IS A, A FOOTNOTE IN THE, UM, IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND IT SAYS IT HAS VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.
AND IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF A MUNICIPALITY AND THE WORD IT USES IS MUST APPROVE RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS.
UH, THEN, UM, THERE SHOULD BE CERTAIN PATIENTS WHO AT LEAST MITIGATE THE NOISE.
UM, BUT THE KEYWORD THERE IS MUST.
AND I ACTUALLY EVEN DID RESEARCH AS TO WHAT THE FAA MEANS WHEN THEY SAY MUST, IS THAT LIKE, LITERALLY YOU HAVE NO OTHER OPTION.
YOU WERE, FOR SOME REASON REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT.
AND THAT IS EFFECTIVELY WHAT THE FAA MEANS BY THAT IS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A VERY STRONG JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY THE TOWN HAD SOME MAKE THAT DECISION TO LOCATE RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I PERSONALLY, OR PROFESSIONALLY AS A STAFF MEMBER, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT JUSTIFICATION WOULD BE THAT, THAT MEETS THAT HIGH BAR THAT THE FAA HAS ESTABLISHED TO, TO, TO MEET THAT EXCEPTION IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, I, I DON'T SEE HOW THE FAA WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH US ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS.
UM, MY OTHER CONCERN IS WHAT DOES, WHAT SLIPPERY SLOPE DOES THAT CREATE RIGHT NOW? WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT, VERY CONSISTENT ABOUT TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN NOT PUT RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THE CONTOURS.
WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE CONTOURS, UM, THE PROPERTY, UH, OVER, UM, BEHIND WHERE, MMM, CHAMBERLAINS FISH MARKET IS A MOTEL SIX THAT VACANT THAT'S WITHIN THOSE CONTOURS.
WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE LOOK AT, UM, SENIOR
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HOUSING ON THAT SITE.AND WE TOLD THEM NO, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE NOISE CONTOURS.
UH, WE HAD, UM, PROPERTY, UM, THE VACANT LOT AT THE CORNER OF BELTWAY AND BELTWAY.
SO EAST OF MIDWAY WE'RE BELTWAY TURNS AND GOES NORTH UP TO BELTLINE.
THERE'S THAT LITTLE VACANT LOT NEXT TO CANTINA LAREDO.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE IN THE PAST LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY FOR RESIDENTIAL IT'S WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS WE'VE TOLD THEM NO.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE DEVELOPED IN SOMETHING ELSE OVER THE YEARS THAT WE'VE TOLD NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE NOISE CONTOURS TO WHEN THEIR FIRST CHOICE WAS FOR, UH, FOR SOME SORT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO I CAN'T SIT HERE TODAY AND SAY THAT IF YOU DO THIS, THEN THAT MEANS TOMORROW, THE FAA WILL COME DOWN ON THE TOWN AND TAKE SOME CERTAIN ACTION.
UH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FDA IS AWARE, THEY'RE TALKING TO US ABOUT, UH, OTHER ISSUES AND EXPECTING US TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTION THAT WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, LIKE I SAID, IN THE STAFF ROOM, MY WRITTEN RESPONSES TO, TO P AND Z QUESTIONS IS, YOU KNOW, IT OPENS A DOOR AND INVITES SCRUTINY THAT, THAT I DON'T, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT WE GO DOWN, UM, AS FAR AS, AS HOW THE COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THIS, I DON'T KNOW.
CAUSE, CAUSE WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT IN THE PAST ABOUT KEEPING OUT.
SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD THE POLICY CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL, UH, LATELY AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT LEVEL OF RISK ARE THEY WILLING TO ACCEPT, UH, IN KIND OF TESTING THE FAA ON THIS, IF YOU WILL, I CAN GO BACK AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME COUNSEL WENT SO FAR AS TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE ADDISON CIRCLE STANDARDS, WHICH WAS AT THE TIME, THE ONLY PLACE WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, THEY SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED A PROVISION PROHIBITED RESIDENTIAL IN THE CONTINUITY NOISE CONTOURS.
UM, BUT THAT'S FRANKLY I THINK THAT'S THE LAST TIME THAT THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP WITH THE COUNCIL.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ADOPT A DIFFERENT POLICY, I THINK THAT POLICY CONVERSATION SHOULD COME BEFORE THE ZONING REQUEST, NOT TAKE ACTION ON HIS OWN AND REQUESTS AND THEN HAVE THE POLICY CONVERSATION AFTER THE FACT.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S AN ORDER OF OPERATIONS, A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD HERE OF IF THERE IS AN OPENNESS IN THE COMMUNITY TO ALLOW, UM, UM, RESIDENTIAL IN THE NORTH CONTOURS.
I THINK THAT POLICY QUESTION NEEDS TO BE HAD, AND WE NEED TO BASE THE ZONING DECISION ON THAT POLICY, UH, DIRECTIVE, UH, AND NOT VICE VERSA.
UH, AND SO AGAIN, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT THIS, I WOULD SAY, LOOK AT THE PRIOR PRACTICE OF THE TOWN, LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT'S ON THE BOOKS.
THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO EMULATE ON THIS PROPERTY AND HAVE THAT GUIDE, UM, THE ACTION OF, OF THE P AND Z, UH, AND COUNCIL AND TELL COUNCIL ADOPTS A DIFFERENT POLICY.
SO, CHARLES, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, A FOLLOW UP TO THAT? SO THEIR CURRENT PROPERTY IS ACROSS THE STREET.
AND CURRENTLY A RESIDENCE THERE AS WELL.
DID HE LIVE, SIR? WELL, HOW GRANDFATHERED IN AT SOME POINT, OR IT WAS JUST DONE AND NOBODY EVER GOT CALLED ON IT.
SO THAT PROPERTY WAS ZONED AND DEVELOPED IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, UH, BEFORE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NOISE CONTOURS.
AND SO YES, IT IS EFFECTIVELY GRANDFATHERED OR IT'S NONCONFORMING, UH, WITH CURRENT STANDARDS.
THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER PROPERTIES.
UM, JUST NORTH OF THAT ALONG BROADWAY THAT ALSO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, THAT AGAIN WERE APPROVED, UH, BEFORE THE NOISE CONTOURS WERE IN PLACE.
UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAD THOSE REQUESTS COME LATER, WE WOULD NOT EVER PROVE, UH, THOSE USES IN THAT LOCATION.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, JUST, UH, A QUICK QUESTION FOLLOW UP.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOUR.
WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THE AFRICANS REQUESTING, UM, A PIECE OF THIS, THESE OWN RESIDENTIAL.
SO CATHERINE, IF, IF I COULD GO OUT OF ORDER, CAN I ASK MR. BOWMAN BOWEN QUESTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO ADD, CAN HE ASK YES.
EASILY CLOSED PROCEDURE? WELL, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES BEFORE WE ASKED? I HAVE QUICK QUESTION.
CHARLES, THIS, WHEN FOR THE, WHEN WERE THE NOISE, UH, CORRIDORS ESTABLISHED, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE, UH, FIRST, UH, ESTABLISHED AN ADDISON.
I KNOW THE FAA REQUIREMENT THAT THE
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NOISE CONTOURS, UH, ARE BASED OFF OF WERE, UM, ISSUED IN 1983.UH, AND THEN I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHEN THE TOWN FIRST IMPLEMENTED THE NOISE CONTOURS, THE TOWN'S CURRENT NOISE CONTOURS, UH, WERE, UH, ESTABLISHED AFTER A STUDY THAT TOOK PLACE FROM 2004 TO 2007.
SO AGAIN, WHEN I SAID THAT THE AIRPORT HAD TO GO AROUND AND MEASURE THE SOUND ON ALL PROPERTIES AROUND THE AIRPORT, THAT'S AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS.
AND SO THE LAST TIME THE TOWN UPDATED THAT AND MADE NEW NOISE CONTOURS, UH, WAS IN 2007 BECAUSE, I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS UPDATED, WHAT THE CONTOURS MIGHT LOOK LIKE TODAY.
SO THERE, THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT OVERALL THE NOISE CONTOURS WOULD SHRINK.
UM, THERE ARE FEWER AIRPORT OPERATIONS NOW THAN THERE WERE DURING THAT PERIOD.
AND THERE'S BEEN SOME REGULATORY CHANGES ON AIRPLANES THAT REQUIRE, UH, AIRPLANES TO BE QUIETER.
UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE AIRPORT WITH THE EMASS SYSTEM AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE ALLOWED LARGER AIRPLANES TO TAKE OFF WITH LARGER AIRPLANES ARE LOUDER THAN SMALLER AIRPLANES.
UM, THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER HERE TOO, IS, UH, AGAIN WITH THE WAY FLIGHT PATTERNS WORK AND BECAUSE LOVE FIELD IS TO THE SOUTH OF US.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO, WHEN YOU TAKE OFF TO THE SOUTH, YOU HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY EITHER GO LEFT OR RIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE THE PREDOMINANT FLIGHT PATTERN HERE IS TO TAKE OFF TO THE SOUTH AND GO EAST, THEY'RE FLYING DIRECTLY FOR THE MOST PART OVER THIS PROPERTY.
AND SO EVEN IF, IF THE NOISE CONTOURS SHRINK OVERALL, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF AIRCRAFT DIRECTLY OVER THIS PROPERTY.
SO I THINK IT'S LIKELY THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD STILL BE WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS EVEN TODAY.
CHARLES, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU READING TO THE, UH, THE ANSWERS THAT YOU GAVE GAVE US, WAS THERE A PROVISION IN THERE THAT IF IT WAS APPROVED AS RESIDENTIAL, THAT IT HAD TO HAVE CERTAIN STANDARDS FOR INSULATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE FAA? RIGHT.
SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT FOOTNOTE THAT'S IN THE FAA REQUIREMENT THAT THAT SAYS THAT IF A COMMUNITY DETERMINES THAT RESIDENTIAL ARGUMENT, IT SAYS SCHOOLS TOO, BUT FOR THIS PURPOSES OF THIS CONVERSATION, PRESIDENTIAL MUST BE APPROVED, UH, THEN MEASURES TO ACHIEVE OUTDOOR NOISE LEVEL REDUCTION OF AT LEAST 25 DECIBEL AND 30 DECIBEL, UH, SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUILDING CODES AND BE CONSIDERED ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, THE FDA SAYS, IF YOU MUST, THEN YOU SHOULD REQUIRE, UM, UH, SOME SORT OF NOISE INSULATION, UH, TO MITIGATE, UH, FOR THAT.
BUT BEFORE YOU GET THERE, YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT THERE'S A REASON THAT YOU MUST DO IT.
WOULD THAT HELP FROM STANDPOINT, IF WE WERE SCRUTINIZED FROM THE STANDPOINT, IF IT WAS APPROVED THAT WE MADE, WE MADE THAT A REQUIREMENT.
I MEAN, I KNOW A SUBJECTIVE QUESTION, BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HURT, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WEIGHT THE FDA PUTS ON, ON THE WORD MUST.
I CAN TELL YOU THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FAA AND THE AIRPORT, UM, RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS IS ONE OF THEIR, THEIR PRIMARY CONCERNS FOR WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES.
UH, JUST BECAUSE AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, PEOPLE MOVE IN NEXT TO AN AIRPORT IT'S LOUD, THEY START COMPLAINING.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S POLITICAL PRESSURE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPACT THE OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT, PERHAPS SHUT THE AIRPORT DOWN.
AND SO THE FAA WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN THAT THEY JUST WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR ON NOT EVEN BEING AN OPTION BY PROHIBITING, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UM, NEXT TO THE AIRPORT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND SO, UM, IT, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE FAA WOULD VIEW THAT AND HOW FLEXIBLE THEY WANT TO BE.
TYPICALLY, THEY'RE NOT VERY FLEXIBLE, JUST WILLING TO KNOW FROM THAT LIVING WHERE I LIVE AT THE END OF THE AIRPORT, I HEAR ALL THE TIME, THE JET ENGINES BEING REVVED UP BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING TURNED UP OR WHATEVER, CALL THE TONE, RIGHT.
AND, AND TECHNICALLY, UH, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ADDISON PLACES IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE NOISE CONTOURS SO THAT THAT'S NOT, UM, NOT A NOISE CONTOUR ISSUE.
THAT'S A SORT OF AN AIRPORT OPERATIONS ISSUE THAT, UM, AT LEAST THEY SHOULD BE ABIDING BY DOING THAT AT CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY, NOT EARLY IN THE MORNING, NOT LATE AT NIGHT, THEY DON'T ALWAYS DO THAT, BUT THAT'S MORE OF A LOCAL MANAGEMENT ISSUE THAN, THAN AN FAA CONCERN, CORRECT, CHARLES, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FAA DOESN'T DIRECTLY THE AIRPORT, THEY PROVIDE WALK GRANTS TO TECH STOCKS.
SO WHEN IS TECH STOCKS TAKE ON THOSE RATHER THAN THE SIA? UM, THEY BASICALLY PASS THROUGH THE FAS REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE STILL, THE MONEY FLOWS THROUGH TECH STOCK, BUT BECAUSE IT ORIGINATES IN THE FAA, WE'RE STILL REQUIRED TO ABIDE BY THE FAA REQUIREMENTS.
AND IT'S STILL THE FAA THAT ULTIMATELY HOLDS US
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RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, ABIDING BY THE GRANT ASSURANCES.THE ONE WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS ON WHERE FIA FUNDING GOES.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I'M SAYING BASED UPON YOUR RESPONSE THAT YOU GAVE THAT WE MIGHT NOT GET FUNDING IN THE FUTURE FROM THE MFAA, BUT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE TECH STOCKS.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WOULD SAY WE WOULDN'T GET SOMETHING, NOT THE FAA.
I DON'T, I MEAN, NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY.
UH, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE AN ISSUE WITH A PARTICULAR CITY'S COMPLIANCE WITH THE FAA REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PREDICATED ON GETTING THAT MONEY, I WOULD ASSUME THE FAA WOULD HAVE SOME ABILITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU MONEY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, THERE'S THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT RESIDENT AT 48 OH ONE THAT SLEEPS IN 48 OH ONE IS GOING TO SLEEP IN 49 OH ONE, MATTERED TO THEM.
AND WITH ANY SHORTAGE STIPULATION THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULDN'T HAPPEN.
I ASSUME IT DOESN'T MATTER IN THE LEAST, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE I THINK FROM THE FDA'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT THEY WOULD SEE IS NOW THERE'S SOMEONE AT 49 OH ONE AND THERE'S ALSO SOMEONE ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL.
SO NOW WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS.
UM, SO AGAIN, TRYING TO LOOK INTO MY CRYSTAL BALL HERE, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULDN'T GIVE MUCH LENIENCY IN THAT REGARD.
AND CHARLYNN YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD LOOK OUT AND WHEN RESIDENTS, UM, THE SAME THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, A HIGHER ASS WITH MULTIPLE UNITS.
I MEAN, I CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE RESIDENTS.
SO I THINK, UH, A COUPLE OF ISSUES, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ONE RESIDENT TODAY, BUT DOES THIS OPEN THE DOOR, UM, WHERE WE'VE TOLD OTHER RESIDENTS, WE WE'VE VERY FIRMLY SAID NO RESIDENTS, BUT THEN ALWAYS CONTOURS.
NOW WE CAN NO LONGER SAY THAT IT'S, WELL, MAYBE IT'S JUST ONE OR WHAT IF IT'S TWO OR WHAT IF IT'S THREE AND WE'RE, WHERE DOES THAT STOP? AND SO I THINK THEY MAY LOOK AT THAT.
UM, AND I, AGAIN, I CAN TELL YOU FROM, FROM MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING WITH THE FAA ON OTHER LAND USE ISSUES, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE MOST REASONABLE AND FLEXIBLE OF ENTITIES.
UM, AND SO IT, IT, IT, IT JUST DEPENDS.
I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT DEFINITIVELY AGAIN, NO CRYSTAL BALL, OF COURSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES, BUT I DO HAVE A LOT OF MORE QUESTIONS FOR CHARLIE REALLY ON MY QUESTION, TOO.
SO WE'LL GET TO BOB AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO CHARLES AT THE END.
SO WE'RE READY FOR OUR APPLICANT TO JOIN US.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REAL EXCITED ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, WE'RE INVESTING $8 MILLION INTO THIS BUILDING AND IT'S GOING TO BE FABULOUS.
IT WILL BRING A LOT OF TENSION TO ADDISON.
AND, UH, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT OUR BUSINESS IS WE CATER A HIGH WEALTH INDIVIDUALS.
UM, WE'RE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WE'RE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.
AND ON THE THIRD FLOOR IS GOING TO BE A GENTLEMAN THAT HAS A MATTRESS COMPANY AND, UH, HIS COMPANY CATERS HIS BEDS WILL BE 50 TO $80,000 FOR MATTRESS.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FLY IN THEIR PRIVATE JETS IN ADDISON, AND BOB WILL HAVE THE SAME THING.
AS FAR AS OUR RESIDENTS, I'VE LIVED HERE EIGHT YEARS.
AND THE ONLY REASON I'M BUILDING THIS BUILDING IS BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING A NEW TRAIN STATION WHERE MY PROPERTY IS AND THE BUILDING I'M IN WILL BE TORN DOWN.
AND SO I HAVE NO CHOICE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE.
SO WHEN I MOVED TO THE NEW BUILDING, THERE WILL NOT BE A RESIDENCE PUT IN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE THIS BUILDING WILL BE TORN DOWN.
DART WILL TAKE IT OVER UNTIL THE TRAIN STATION IS FINISHED.
AND THEN THEY'LL DEMOLISH THE BUILDING FOR PARKING.
UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO SHARE IS, UM, ANY PLANE THAT FLIES OVER THE NEW BUILDING WILL FLY DIRECTLY OVER EMILY.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM IS PROBABLY ABOUT 200 FEET.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS BUILDING, YOU ACTUALLY MEASURE THE NOISE CORRIDOR.
WE ARE 75 FEET IN THAT QUARTER.
UM, I'M CURRENTLY IN ONE OF THE LOUDEST ZONES AND IN MY BUILDING, I WOULD BE IN THE
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LEAST NOISE ZONE.UM, AND SO I, I'M A PERSON THAT LIKES TO BE VERY DETAILED IN WHAT I DO.
AND SO I TOOK THE TIME TO CONTACT THE FAA.
I SPENT QUITE A TIME ON THIS, AND I GOT A LETTER FROM THE FAA SAYING THAT THEY COULD CARE LESS IF WE LIVED THERE OR NOT.
THEY SAID THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO JURISDICTION OUTSIDE THE FENCE OF THE AIRPORT.
AND THIS IS THE LETTER THEY SENT ME.
UM, THE BUILDING WILL BE BUILT FOR, IT WILL MEET THE FAA REQUIREMENTS FOR NOISE.
AND, UM, THAT WILL NO LONGER BE AN ISSUE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE FAA DOESN'T MIND IF YOU BUILD THERE, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE NOISE REDUCTION, BUT I'VE LIVED HERE EIGHT YEARS, I'VE NEVER ONCE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE AIRPORT.
AND, UH, BUT I DO COMPLAIN A LOT ABOUT THE BAR ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL LOOK AT THIS AND REALIZE WE'RE JUST STRICTLY TAKING ONE RESIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN LIVED IN FOR EIGHT YEARS AND WE'RE MOVING IT TO A NEW LOCATION.
WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE LETTER FOR A SECOND? ABSOLUTELY.
WHEN YOU WERE TALKING TO THE FAA AND READING THIS LETTER, THEY SAY THEY NOT HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER PERSONAL LIMITED PRIVATE RESIDENCE, BUT DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY INDICATION THAT THE TOWN OF MADISON MIGHT JEOPARDIZE FUNDING ACCORDING TO THEIR REGULATIONS? UM, NO, THEY DID IT.
AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS THEY FAA BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT YES, OUR NOISE CORRIDOR WAS DONE BETWEEN THE TEST WERE DONE BETWEEN 2005 AND 2007.
AND IN 2002, THE FAA SAID THEY REQUIRED THAT ALL MANUFACTURERS OF PLANES MAKE THEIR ENGINES QUIETER.
AND SO THEY FAA TOLD ME IF THEY CITY OF ADDISON REDID THEIR NOISE CORRIDOR, WE WOULD NO LONGER BE IN IT.
AND HOW WOULD THEY KNOW THAT WITHOUT TAKING ALL THE VARIOUS NOISE LEVEL READINGS? WELL, I GUESS THEY KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THEY'VE MADE FOR MAINE, FOR AIRPLANE MANUFACTURERS TO MAKE THEIR ENGINES QUIETER.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST BARELY INSIDE THE NOISE CORRIDOR, RAN IT BY LIKE 60 FEET.
I LIVE A MILE AND A HALF FROM THE AIRPORT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THE JUDGE TAKING OFF THE SERMON SOUND ABOVE 40 DECIBELS TO ME, BUT IT'S JUST HAVING DECIMAL READINGS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO THAT.
THE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK BEFORE, AGAIN, WE GO DOWN A LOT OF RABBIT HOLES HERE IS THERE.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THE RESIDENCE.
AT THIS POINT, IF WE CAN'T GET PAST THE RESIDENTS, WE CAN'T EVEN DISCUSS SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS. UM, IF THE TENOR OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION IS TO NOT APPROVE THE RESIDENTS, IS THIS A DEAL KILLER FOR YOU? UM, WELL, I'LL SAY THIS, THAT, UM, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I'VE HAD, UM, MY BUSINESS HERE FOR, IN THIS LOCATION FOR 10 YEARS.
AND SO I CAN'T SAY IT'S A DUKE, A DEAL KILLER.
UM, I WOULD PROBABLY TABLE THE ISSUE, BUT, UM, FROM ALL MY RESEARCH, I DON'T THINK THE FAA, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW THE FAA COULD SEND ME A LETTER, SAY WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
AND THEN TURN AROUND AND PULL THE FUNDING FROM THE CITY.
HOW COULD THEY GIVE US A LETTER PERMISSION TO LIVE THERE AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO THREATEN THE CITY NO LONGER TO FUND THEM? UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD PULL THAT OFF.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT AT ALL BEING AN ISSUE.
I THINK THE FAA COULD CARE LESS IF I LIVE THERE JUST AS A FOLLOW UP.
I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU WOULD, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE BUILDING WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A RESIDENCE AS FAR AS NOISE PRESCRIPTIONS.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED INTO AND CHARLES MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE 25 DECIBELS.
AND SO WE WOULD TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO ACHIEVE OUTDOOR TO INDOOR NOISE LEVEL REDUCTION AT AT LEAST 25 DECIBELS.
AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THE FAA, UM, THAT
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IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION.SO IF THEY'RE RECOMMENDING IT, THEN THEY MUST KNOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA LIVE OUTSIDE OF AN AIRPORT.
CHARLES, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD GO BACK WITH THE LETTER THAT BOB HAS TO THE FAA AND DO ANY KIND OF CLARIFICATION BETWEEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD AND WHAT BOB'S BEEN TOLD AND GET SOME KIND OF CLARIFICATION BETWEEN THE TWO? WELL, WHAT I'LL SAY ABOUT THE LETTER IS IF, IF YOU READ WHAT THE LETTER IS SAYING IS, IS IT'S, IT'S SAYING THAT THERE IS NO REGULATORY AUTHORITY TO GOVERN A PERSON LIVING IN A PRIVATE RESIDENCE THAT IS TRUE.
THE FAA DOESN'T DIRECTLY REGULATE THAT.
UH, IT ALSO SAYS THERE'S NO FEDERAL REGULATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE A RESIDENT, UH, TO RECEIVE THE FDA'S PERMISSION.
THE REQUIREMENT IS ON THE CITY TO PROHIBIT THAT.
AND SO THE, THE FDA DOESN'T WANT TO BE THE BAD GUY IN THE ROOM.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH, WITH DEVELOPERS, DEALING WITH THE, UH, FAA AROUND THE AIRPORT.
AND THEY ALWAYS PUSH IT BACK TO THE CITY, UH, TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS.
AND SO I'M NOT AT ALL SURPRISED AT THE FAS LETTER, BUT IT, IT ISN'T AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE USE.
IT'S JUST, WE DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
UH, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THE FAA HAS VERY FREQUENT CONVERSATIONS WITH US ABOUT THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY EXPECT TO SEE AROUND THE AIRPORT.
THEY'VE EVEN ATTEMPTED TO TAKE, UH, SOME REGULATORY ACTION AGAINST THE TOWN, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY DON'T AGREE WITH, THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. BAUMAN IS SAYING.
I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LETTER SAYS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF DEALING WITH THE FAA, UM, THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT THE EPI HAS A HAS OF THE TOWN, UH, TO ABIDE BY THE GRANT ASSURANCES, UM, AND THEY ARE WILLING, UH, TO AT LEAST TRY TO ENFORCE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE GRANT INSURANCES.
SO, CHARLES, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.
SO MR. BAUMAN IS NOT A, YOU KNOW, A STRANGER TO THE TOWN.
HE'S BEEN HERE FOR 10 YEARS DOING THIS, NOT A STRANGER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS TYPICAL OR APPROPRIATE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION WITH THE FDA, AND MAYBE YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION WITH THE FAA ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION AND WHAT THEIR OPINION MIGHT BE, OR WE'RE JUST GOING ON HISTORICAL, WHAT THEY HAVE SAID, AND, AND THEN HISTORICAL WHAT THEY HAVE SAID.
UM, W WE, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE HAD SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FAA ABOUT THIS PROPERTY I HAD, AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THAT AIRPORT STAFF HAS NOT, UM, I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT BASED ON OTHER RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FAA ABOUT DEVELOPMENT ON OTHER PROPERTIES, UM, THEY, THEIR OFFICIAL ANSWER IS ALWAYS WHAT IS THE WRITTEN GUIDANCE AND THE WRITTEN GUIDANCE HERE WOULD BE, UM, THAT, THAT RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ALLOWED UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO TO THAT FOOTNOTE AND ARGUE WHAT MUST MEANS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO CONVERSATIONS, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, BUT I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THE FAA WOULD, UH, TELL US THAT THEIR OPINION IS THAT RESIDENTIAL SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THIS LOCATION.
IS IT, IS IT WORTH DELVING INTO IT A LITTLE DEEPER BECAUSE THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS BUILDING AND IT'S GORGEOUS AND IT WOULD BE A REAL ASSET TO THE TOWN.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S WORTH, WE COULD DO THAT AND TABLE IT FOR TONIGHT AND GIVE IT A SHOT.
I KNOW, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE COMMISSION'S EXPECTATION IS, OR IS YOUR GOAL THAT WE COME OUT OF THE CONVERSATION WITH SOME SORT OF WRITTEN COMMITMENT FROM THE FAA THAT THEY ARE GOOD AND WILL TAKE NO ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THE TOWN FOR APPROVING THIS, OR IS IT A MORE INFORMAL TEMPERATURE CHECK? WHICH AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THAT HELPS.
AGAIN, WE'RE AT SOME LEVEL WE'RE PLAYING CHICKEN WITH THE FAA AND I DON'T, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT.
UM, SO IT, IF, IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO RELY ON THE FDA'S GUIDANCE, THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THE EXPECTATIONS SHOULD BE THAT WE GET A LETTER FROM WHOEVER WE NEED TO AT THE FAA THAT SAYS THEY UNDERSTAND THIS, THEY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THEY SUPPORT IT AND AGREE THAT THEY WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER TAKE ANY NEGATIVE ACTION AGAINST THE TOWN FOR DOING SO.
AND I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE
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YOU THAT THE FDA IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY, HAPPY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.WELL, CHARLES, LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT REEVALUATING, THE NOISE CONTOUR? I MEAN, IS IT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE DOES ON A DESKTOP AND IT MIGHT TAKE A FEW WEEKS, OR IS IT A MORE LENGTHY PROCESS? SO THE LAST TIME WE UPDATED THE NOISE CONTOURS AGAIN FROM 2004, 2007, IT TOOK THREE YEARS AND COSTS ABOUT $350,000.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S A MORE, UM, IT'S A MORE COMPLICATED PROCESS.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU, CATHERINE, IT'S, IT'S A GORGEOUS RENDERING, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TYLER HAS THE RENDERING BEHIND HIM WITH TRAFFIC MORE THAN PASTEL.
UM, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE AN ASSET AS IN, BUT I THINK THERE ARE ISSUES NOW THAT WE COULD GET INTO, AS FAR AS THE PARKING, AS FAR AS THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UM, AND, AND SEE WHERE THOSE LINES, CAUSE IF IT COULD BE THAT ANYONE OR COMBINATION OF THOSE, UM, SWAYS THE CON THE COMMISSION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AS FAR AS HOW THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT WE FEEL ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
AND SO THEREFORE, MAYBE THE RESIDENTS IS NO LONGER REALLY THE ISSUE.
UM, IT'S CERTAINLY A BIG ISSUE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IF, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION THINKS THAT THAT WE'RE TO STAND STILL, THEN WE CAN EITHER DIRECT CHARLES TO GO TALK YOU OFF TODAY, OR WE VOTE THIS DOWN.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES, UM, THAT PROBABLY ARE NOT AS LARGE AS THE RESIDENTS ISSUE, BUT ARE, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH RA HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND WE NEED TO DO THAT NOW, OR WE CAN DO IT WHEN CHARLES GETS BACK WITH HIS LETTER THAT WE MAY NEVER GET FROM THE FAA.
IF I CAN SUGGEST IF THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE IS TO TABLE THIS, WHILE WE, UH, WHILE YOU TALKED TO THE FAA, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS.
UM, AND SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WITH, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE LIST OF IF YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND CHANGES OR OTHER THINGS BE CONSIDERED.
WE CAN GO BACK AND WORK ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS AT ONE TIME AND COME BACK WITH A REVISED PLAN WITH AN ANSWER FROM THE FAA, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO POTENTIALLY ANSWER THE FDA QUESTION, BUT THEN MAYBE TABLE IT AGAIN IN ANOTHER MONTH TO DEAL WITH THE OTHER ISSUES.
MAY I SPEAK CERTAINLY BOB, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE TOGETHER JOINTLY WITH ME IN THE CITY OF ASSET ADDISON, THAT WE APPROACHED THE FAA, YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WROTE THE LETTERS OVER THE FAA FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND I THINK IT'S A SIMPLE PHONE CALL TO CALL HIM UP, ALLOW CHARLES TO SPEAK FOR THE CITY OF WHERE THEY STAND AND THE GUYS, DID THEY GO SAY YES OR NO? SO ASSUMING THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH ANYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BOB W W IS YOUR PLAN TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON THAT SITE AS SOON AS WE CAN PROBABLY NOVEMBER, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE CITY APPROVAL, RIGHT.
WELL, I AGREE WITH WHAT I THINK I AGREE WITH WHAT CHARLES SHOWED.
MAYBE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE OTHER ISSUES, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON AND TALK ABOUT THE FAA ISSUE.
UM, ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE OTHER ISSUES OR IS THAT SOMETHING START? I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION THOUGH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SUBJECT, UM, CHARLES, DO YOU KNOW IF THESE, UM, UM, THE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE FOR THE NOISE, CORE CORRIDOR ANALYSIS, COULD IT BE LIMITED? YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE FULL BLOWN, BUT LIMITED JUST TO THIS AREA, UM, AT LEAST GET AN INDICATION OF WHAT KIND OF CHANGES MIGHT HAVE OCCURRED.
I, I, I ASSUME THAT YOU COULD, COULD DO A, A LIMITED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A, UH, A NOISE CONTOUR STUDY, BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY GO OUT AND, AND HIRE SOMEBODY WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH NOISE CONTOURS, UH, HAVE THEM MEASURE THE NOISE LEVEL AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEY COULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE PROPERTY SHOULD STILL BE AMENABLE, CONTOURS OR NOT.
AND TELL THE TOWN TAKES FORMAL ACTION TO CHANGE THE NOISE CONTOURS WHAT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ON A FULL BLOWN STUDY.
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YOU KNOW, W WE STILL HAVE THE, THE ISSUE OF IT.IT TECHNICALLY STILL ISN'T NOISE CONTOURS, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE ANOTHER, UM, UH, TOOL THAT WE WOULD HAVE IF THE FAA EVER CAME BACK TO US AND SAID, HEY, YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL NOISE CONTOURS.
YEAH, I KNOW IT'S TECHNICALLY AN OLD CONTOURS, BUT HERE'S THIS NOTE THAT SAID, IT'S, IT'S NOT ANYMORE.
AND IT MAY BE, IT MAY BE MORE TIMELY AND LESS COST.
I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH QUICKER AND MUCH CHEAPER.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO, WHO WOULD DO THAT STUDY? UM, I, I WOULD HESITATE TO CREATE A PRECEDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING THAT, THAT ISN'T ALLOWED NOISE CONTOURS, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A PRECEDENT THAT THE TOWN'S GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND SORT OF PIECEMEAL AND ALWAYS CONTOUR STUDY EVERY TIME SOMEONE COMES IN.
SO IT MAY BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN ATTEMPT TO TEST OUT OF THE NOISE CONTOURS OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DELVE INTO THEIR, UH, OTHER ITEMS, TOM? YOU'RE ALWAYS GOOD ONE.
OH, I LOVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE I'VE MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK I'M NOT HUNG UP ON THE, UM, 50,000 SQUARE FOOT NUMBER.
UH, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE AT 43 PLUS, UM, I THINK THAT PROBABLY ALLOWS SOME LATITUDE ON ARGUING.
SO I'M NOT TOO HUNG UP ON THAT ISSUE.
I AM HUNG UP ON TWO THINGS THOUGH.
AND ONE IS THAT UNDER THE, THE APPLICANT'S OWN NUMBERS, THEY CAME UP WITH 53 SPACES AND YET THEY WANT TO REDUCE THAT EVEN FURTHER.
AND, AND THE OTHER IS, AND THAT'S WITH THE S WITH THE, THE, THE OFFICE NOT BEING CONSIDERED OFFICE, BUT YOU SHOW ROOM AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY THREW ALL THE NUMBERS IN THERE TO COME UP WITH 53 IF I UNDERSTAND THEIR CALCULATIONS CORRECTLY.
AND SO I HAVE AN ISSUE OF HOW, I MEAN, WHY SHOULD WE APPROVE EVEN A LOWER NUMBER BELOW THAT, BUT TO GET TO THE 53, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW THEM THE SHOWROOM ASPECT AS OPPOSED TO AN OFFICE ASPECT.
AND SO I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT WHEN, UH, MR. BOWEN MOVES OUT IN FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, UM, AND I THINK CHARLES REFERENCED IT EARLIER.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE PARKING.
IF SOMEONE MOVES IN THERE FROM THE SHOWROOM TO AN OFFICE, OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, TO, TO RETAIL.
AND I SPEAK TO THEM, THAT'S A LONGTERM APP APPLICATION, THIS BUILDING, AND JUST WONDERING WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD, WHAT HOLE WOULD WE DO FOR OURSELVES IF WE ALLOW THE PARKING SITUATION AS MR. BOWMAN WANTS, UM, WITHOUT RECOGNIZING THAT THIS BUILDING'S GOING TO BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND HE MAY NOT BE, YEAH.
SO CAN I GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT? UM, FIRST THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS, UM, ALL ACROSS AMERICA AND I MEAN, ALL ACROSS AMERICA, UM, EVERY CITY, INCLUDING THE CITY OF ADDISON IS, UM, RE THEY'RE ADDRESSING THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S BECOME VERY COMMON KNOWN TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THAT WE ARE WAY OVER PARK FOR EVERY SINGLE CAR.
THE UNITED STATES, THERE'S EIGHT PARKING SPACES.
YOU HAVE 120 CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE, WHO HAVE DONE AWAY WITH ALL THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU HAVE BUFFALO, NEW YORK, YOU HAVE SEATTLE, YOU HAVE SAN FRANCISCO, YOU HAVE AUSTIN, TEXAS.
AND I THINK FORT WORTH, THEY'VE DONE AWAY WITH THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THE ONLY PARKWAY REQUIREMENTS PERIOD IS FOR A RESIDENCE.
YOU HAVE A RESIDENCE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO SPACES.
MY SECOND POINT IS WE'RE INVESTING $8 MILLION IN THIS BUILDING.
AND WE CAN'T NO, WHAT IT'S, TO ME, IT'S NOT THE CITY'S CONCERN BECAUSE NOBODY CAN BUY THIS BUILDING UNLESS THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
NO, ONE'S GOING TO SIT THERE AND BUY IT AND THEN GO TO THE CITY AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED MORE PARKING.
SO I'M PUTTING IN $8 MILLION, A LITTLE LINE, NOT THE CITY OF ADDISON.
AND IF I CANNOT SELL MY BUILDING AND I CAN'T PAY FOR IT, THEN THE CITY OF MADISON WILL OWN IT BECAUSE PROPERTY TAXES, TRUMP, THE BANKS.
AND SO YOU'LL GET THE PROPERTY WHEN YOU CAN DO WITH IT, WHAT YOU WANT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE ADDRESSED THIS.
I LIKE TO THINK THINGS THROUGH VERY
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CLEARLY.SO I LIKE TO TYLER, GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN TO HIM WHAT WE'VE DONE CONCERNING THE PARKING, RIGHT? SO WE, UH, WE HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS FAR AS WHAT THE USE IS FOR, FOR, FOR THE MATTRESS AND FOR, AND FOR BOB'S BUSINESS ON TWO FLOORS, PLUS THE PLUS, UH, OFFICE ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
HOWEVER, KNOWING THAT THE WHOLE THING WALKS AND TALKS LIKE A, LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, IF YOU, THIS IS A BUILDING SECTION OF, OF THIS, OF, OF OUR BUILDING HERE.
AND SO THIS IS THE SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS, AND THE SECOND FLOOR IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY A CONCRETE PODIUM.
UH, AND SO WITH A QUICK STUDY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT IF YOU WERE TO USE THAT SECOND DECK AS ADDITIONAL PARKING, THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS, UH, WOULD BE SUFFICIENTLY PARKED FOR, UH, OFFICE USE AT ONE PER 300.
SO FOR THE LONGTERM, WE WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, TO ADDRESS YOUR LONGTERM CONCERNS, WE WOULD, UH, FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF ONCE YOU, UH, ONCE YOU, UH, I'M SORRY.
I MESSED UP ON MY SCREEN SHARING.
DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT SECTION? I APOLOGIZE NOW.
UH, SO THIS IS THE SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS, AND THIS IS OUR CONCRETE PODIUM AT THIS LEVEL.
SO IF YOU WERE TO USE THAT AS A PARKING STRUCTURE, UM, WE, WE WILL HAVE, WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO, TO PARK THAT AS AN OFFICE BUILDING.
SO LET ME, LET ME MAKE A COMMENT.
MAYBE I SHOULD BE ON THE PARKING AS TOM MIGHT BE IN OTHERS.
UM, MR. BOWEL MOVES PLACES BY APPOINTMENT.
I ASSUME THE MATTRESS, UH, FACILITY AT $80,000 A MATTRESS, THERE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WALKING IN OFF THE STREET.
IT'S GOING TO BE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY AS WELL.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN A CORRIDOR WHERE THE TRAIN STATION IS GOING TO BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO HOPEFULLY PROMOTE THE KIND OF TRANSPORTATION THAT WE WANT TO HAVE.
SO I, FOR ME, THE PARK, I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE CODE AND WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE AND WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT GO INTO THE BUILDING THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING AND THE BUSINESSES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE THERE, AND THE CLIENTELE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO VISIT THERE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, THEIR DRIVER IS GOING TO BE WAITING FOR THEM OUTSIDE WHILE THEY GO INSIDE TO GET MEASURED, OR TO LOOK AT WHATEVER THE MATTRESS ARE GOING TO BE DOING.
SO I'M NOT THE ISSUE FOR ME ON, ON THE PARKING SPOT IS NOT, THERE'S NOT THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE IS NOT THE ISSUE.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THE OTHER FLOOR? OH, I'M SORRY.
WELL, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAS BEEN ASKED TO US ABOUT THE CITY ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING IS ARE WE A RETAIL STORE OR NOT? AND WE'RE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU PULL UP IN FRONT OF OUR BUSINESS, THE FRONT DOOR IS LOCKED.
WE DON'T WANT WALK IN TRAFFIC.
WE CATER TO A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL, A PERSON THAT'S WILLING TO COME IN HERE AND SPEND ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO $50,000 FOR CLOTHES.
SO THAT IS NOT THE AVERAGE GUY.
AND SO WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT A RETAIL.
IF YOU COME INTO OUR SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, 25% OF OUR SPACE IS ALLOCATED TO TWO SHOWROOMS. THE REST OF THE FIRST FLOOR IS THE LOBBY OFFICES AND A BAR.
UM, ALL I CAN SAY IS WE DO A LOT OF BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE IN ADDISON.
WE'RE NOT A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
AND WE'RE REAL EXCITED ABOUT THIS IS SO TWO THIRDS OF THE BUILDING ARE ALREADY OCCUPIED, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMPANIES THAT CATER TO HIGH WEALTH INDIVIDUALS.
AND SO OUR GOAL, WE CAN, I CAN, I'VE HAD PEOPLE WANTING TO LEASE THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OLD CHICAGO STYLE BUILDING.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LOFT BUILDING OPEN, AND THERE'S NO BUILDING LIKE THAT PERIOD.
NORTH OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS, WE WILL BE THE FIRST ONE.
AND I DO A LOT OF BUSINESS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.
AND THEY EXPLAIN, THEY SAY, BOB, ANY BUILDING THAT COMES AVAILABLE, THAT'S EITHER IN DOWNTOWN OR SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN, IT NEVER GOES
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ON THE MARKET.NO ONE EVEN KNOWS IT HAPPENED BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THIS TYPE OF BUILDING.
SO IF YOU BUILD THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DYING TO MOVE IN THERE.
SO I ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE WANTING TO LEASE A SPACE, BUT WE DO NOT TO LEASE IT TO SOMEBODY THAT IS OFFICE.
BUT IF THEY DO, WE DO HAVE THE PROPER PARKING.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A THIRD TENANT THAT CATERS TO THE HIGH WEALTH INDIVIDUAL.
WE WANT THIS BUILDING TO BE A ONE STOP SHOP.
AND ANYBODY THAT COMES IN HERE, IF A GUY COMES IN AND SEES ME, AND HE BUYS $20,000 WORTH OF CLOTHES, AS ROBERT SAID, I CAN SAY, HEY, YOU WANT TO SEE AN $80,000 BED.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
WE CAN'T FIND THAT PERSON THEN WE'LL MAKE IT OFFICE, BUT I THINK WE'LL FIND IT
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID SO FAR.
UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, THE EASTERN AREAS AND THERE WE'RE JUST THE OFFSET FOR THE BUILDINGS, BUT ARE YOU'RE SITTING TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO KEEP IT AS IS, BUT FOR, TO HAVE TRUE WALKTHROUGH, TO KEEP IN THE IDEA THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE ABSENCE CIRCLE AREA.
W COULD YOU MAYBE SWAY A LITTLE BIT ON THAT FROM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING EXTRA PARKING AREA OUT THERE, BUT A WIDER, UH, A WALKWAY FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
SO, JOHN, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
YES, WE ARE MORE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM, UM, TO ADJUST TO THE SETBACKS.
IF THERE'S CITY REQUIRES TO SET BACKS, WE WILL REDESIGN THE BUILDING AND WE WILL DO THAT.
THE THING I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF US, WE HAVE A HOTEL.
AND IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE SETBACKS THAT THE CITY HAS PUT IN PLACE, AND TYLER CAN BETTER EXPLAIN THIS, HE KNOWS THE ACTUAL FEET AND EVERYTHING THAT THE HOTEL WILL NEVER DO THE SETBACKS, BECAUSE IF THEY DO, THEY HAVE PARKING.
IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE HOTEL DRIVEWAY, THEY HAVE PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE IS WHERE EDWARD LEWIS IS.
SO IF THE CITY REQUIRES THEM TO ADOPT TO THAT, THEY WILL LOSE ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES.
THEY'LL HAVE TO SHIFT EVERYTHING OVER AND THERE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR PARK THOSE CARS.
SO IF WE ABIDE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO, AND IF WE PUT IN THE SETBACKS THAT THE CITY WANTS, THEN ON THE BEAR WITH ME, ONE SECOND ON THE WEST SIDE OF US IS THE AND T BUILDING.
WELL, THAT BUILDING IS ALREADY TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET.
SO I GUESS IT'S A GOVERNMENT BILL.
IT'S A BIG CORPORATION, BUT THEY'RE NOT SET BACK AT ALL.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT COULD EVER BE DONE.
THERE'S A PICTURE OF THEY T AND T BUILDING IS RIGHT ON THE STREET.
SO FOR US TO DO THIS, WE WOULD BE THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET THAT HAS THAT SETBACK.
AND TO ME, I THINK IT WOULD BE UNUSUAL FOR PERSON TO BE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND THEN THEY HAVE TO TURN AND GO ABOUT FIVE FEET IN, CLOSER TO OUR PROPERTY, THEN WALK FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TURN AND COME BACK OUT AND THEN GONE DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
OUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF THE CITY WOULD BE OPEN TO THIS IS THERE IS EXTRA PAYMENT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT WE COULD GO IN AND WE CAN MAKE THAT PARALLEL PARKING ON THE STREET.
THIS IS A, THIS IS NOT EVER USED.
YOU COULD PUT A CAMERA OUT THERE FOR A WEEK AND YOU NEVER SEE ONE PERSON IN THIS LINE.
UM, SO WE CAN PUT THE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND IF WE DID THAT, THEN THAT WOULD TIE IN WITH THE PICTURE YOU SEE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S THE LANE.
IT'S VERY, VERY WIDE AND IT WOULD MAKE THE WHOLE SIDE OF THAT STREET LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHAT ADDISON WANTS, BUT IF WE DO IT ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, WE'RE THE ONLY PEOPLE DOING IT IN 90 AND T BUILDING.
THE HOTEL WILL NEVER 30 YEARS FROM NOW.
I DOUBT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT BECAUSE AT AND T CAN'T AND THE HOTEL'S NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THEIR PARKING.
WELL, BOB, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT YOU'RE DELVING INTO IS THE RADISON AND 18 T BUILDING WERE PUT IN LONG BEFORE SOME OF THESE STANDARDS HAD BEEN UPDATED.
AND, AND I'M HAVING THIS GETS BACK TO KIND OF BOB BOBCAT LINES, UH, COMMENTS.
BUT THE, THE COMMENT I HAVE IS, UM, THERE ARE CODES NOW IN PLACE THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED AND BUILDINGS ARE BEING BUILT.
NOW HAVE TO ABIDE BY THOSE REGULATIONS, WHETHER IT BE PARKING OR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN,
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WE DO ALLOW EXCEPTIONS.UM, BUT SAME TIME THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, AREAS THAT WE'VE DECLINED TO, TO BUDGE.
AND, UH, HUMPER, DENIX COMES TO MIND.
AND BECAUSE WE ARE, THE, THE TOWN IS ATTEMPTING TO GO FORWARD AT THIS POINT, IF WE CONTINUE, IF WE GIVE YOU THE EXCEPTIONS, I'M AFRAID THAT AS DARK AREA EXPANDS, UM, AND MORE PEOPLE COME TO DEVELOP, THEY'RE GOING TO POINT TO THE EXCEPTIONS WE'VE GIVEN TO WHERE THEY ARE.
WE'RE CONSIDERING GIVING TO YOU.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME PUTTING THAT GENIE BACK IN THE BOTTLE.
AND SO THIS IS WHERE I'M COMING FROM, WHETHER IT BE PARKING, WHETHER IT BE THE MASTER OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN OR SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES.
IT'S, IF WE START HERE WITH THE VERY FIRST BUILDING, UM, NEW BUILDING IN THE DARK AREA, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME JUST TO FIND OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT WE SHOULDN'T ALSO GIVE THEM CONSIDERABLE LEEWAY AND THE ARGUMENT THAT WELL, OTHER BUILDINGS HAVEN'T ABIDED BY THAT, THAT DOESN'T FLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE OLD BUILDINGS BEEN THERE FOR AWHILE.
IF WE'RE ASKING THEM CAME BACK, THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND.
UH, WE WOULD BE MAKING THE SAME APPLICATIONS TO THEM REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND ISSUES WHERE I AM ON THIS DISREGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING PAST SOME OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT YOU WANT IN ORDER TO GET THIS BUILDING DONE.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, TOM, I SAID, WE'LL DO THE SETBACKS.
WE'LL REDO THE BUILDING, BUT ASK YOURSELF.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
WE'RE THE ONLY PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET THAT WE'LL HAVE IT, WE'LL DO THE SETBACKS.
WE'LL PUT FOUR PARKING SPACES ON THE STREET.
WE'LL LOSE TWO PARKING SPACES ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE GAINING TWO WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WHERE IF YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S A PIECE OF CONCRETE THAT'S NEVER USED AND IT'S ON NO ONE'S PROPERTY.
IT IS, UM, STRICTLY CITY'S PROPERTY.
IT IS ENTIRELY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF TO DISCUSS ABOUT PUTTING THIS IN.
AND IF WE DID THAT, YOU HAVE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT TOTALLY FOLLOWS IN WITH THE NEW DESIGN THE CITY'S DOING, AND IT WILL LOOK RIGHT, OR YOU CAN LEAVE THE CITY, THE STREET ACROSS, ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, LET IT BE THE WAY IT IS.
AND YOU ONLY HAVE THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER.
THAT LOOKS REALLY NICE, BUT THAT'S IT.
AND WE CAN DO OURS ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET AND THAT'LL BE IT.
AND THE HOTEL OR ATNT IS NEVER GOING TO DO IT.
IF THEY DO IT, IT'LL BE A LONG AFTER OUR LIFETIME.
I FIGURED I GOT ANOTHER 20 YEARS LEFT.
I HAVEN'T MET YOU, BUT YOU'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS IN THE TOWN OF MADISON FOR AWHILE.
IF YOU WERE JUST A TOTAL STRANGER THAT WAS COMING FOR US TONIGHT, TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT YOU GOT, I WOULD BE IN THE SAME CAMP, PROBABLY WERE THOMAS AND PERHAPS OTHERS ARE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A WILLINGNESS TO YOU.
THERE'S SEEMS TO BE A WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN ON THIS AND MAYBE THAT'S, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE PLAN.
I DON'T WANT TO, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT THE TOWN WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER AS A COMPROMISE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET OR NOT, MAYBE THAT'S A NONSTARTER AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS NEGOTIATION, SO IT DOESN'T HURT TO TALK.
AND SHE, WHAT IS ART, THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE.
AND IF I CAN SAY, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK, WE'RE WILLING TO DO IT.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GO BACK TO THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK IT'S, AS, THERE'S NO NEED TO DO A NOISE STUDY IT'S TO PICK UP THE PHONE, CALL THE FAA WITH THE CITY OF ADDISON ON THE CALL AND THEY SAY YES OR NO, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
UM, AND IF THEY DO, THEY GIVE IT TO US IN A LETTER AND WE'RE DONE.
UM, AND THE SAME THING WITH HERE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO DRIVE THROUGH THIS AREA AND LOOK AT THE STREET AND WE CAN MAKE ONE SIDE OF THE WHOLE STREET.
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL ARE WE CAN HAVE THAT SIDE CHOPPED UP IN OUR SITE TOTALLY CHOPPED UP.
AND IT COULD BE THAT WAY FOR THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS.
WELL, BOB, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAKE AN $8 MILLION INVESTMENT IN OUR TOWN.
UM, I DO MY HEAD'S KIND OF IN THE SAME PLACE THAT, UH, THAT TOM IS,
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UM, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU COMPLY WITH THE MASTER MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.UM, AND, AND MAYBE THERE IS SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE THERE, CAUSE I REALLY DO THINK AFTER HEARING YOU TALK THAT YOU MAKE SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, DO SOME ON STREET PARKING, UM, ACROSS THE STREET AND HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY TO SOME OF THE NEWER, THE NEWER PROJECTS.
I CONTINUE TO HAVE A SMALL ISSUE WITH PARKING BECAUSE I HOPE YOU'RE IN BUSINESS FOR THAT 20 OR 30 YEARS THAT YOU STILL YOU HAVE LEFT.
UM, BUT I THINK THE FACT IS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IT DOES AFFECT THE FUTURE USES OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I SORTA HONESTLY GO BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE I MEAN, WE, WE ARE ABOUT TO HAVE THAT DARK LINE THERE.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THERE ARE AREAS THAT, THAT WORK WITHOUT PARKING.
UM, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS REALLY MY BIGGEST HANGUPS RIGHT NOW ARE GOING TO BE, UM, CONTINUING THAT MASTER MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN SOMEHOW, AND THEN GETTING OVER THE FDA REGULATIONS.
UM, SO CHRIS, I WOULD SAY TO YOU, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, IF YOU'LL JUST GOOGLE AND LOOK AT A STUDY, UM, EVERY SINGLE TRANSIT STATION BUILT IN THE UNITED STATES, AMERICAN LAST 10 YEARS STUDIES SHOW THEY'RE OVER PART.
AND SO WE'RE PUTTING THIS TRAIN STATION IN ADDISON.
SO GUYS, I LIVED ON LAKE FOREST DRIVE SINCE 1965.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN THIS AREA.
I HAVE PICTURES OF THERE'S NO AIRPORT HERE.
IF IT WAS, IT WAS ONE LITTLE SMALL THING.
THIS HOLE, THERE WAS NOTHING HERE, BUT THE CITY OF ADDISON, THE SCHOOL, WHICH IS NOW THAT RESTAURANT, AND THERE WAS NOTHING HERE.
I'VE SPENT MY WHOLE LIFE HERE.
UM, MY POINT IS, UM, TRANSIT STATIONS.
WHY DID, WHY ASS AND BEEN SO INVOLVED WITH DARK FOR SO MANY YEARS? CAUSE WE WANT TO TRY TO GO THROUGH HERE AND WHY DO WE WANT TO TRAIN? WE WANT PEOPLE TO USE THE TRAIN.
UM, YOU LOOK AT COVID AND IF YOU JUST, AGAIN, LOOK AT THE STUDIES THAT'S GOING ON IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW, HALF OF AMERICA IS STAYING HOME AND YOU CAN'T, AND YOU'LL FIND ALL KINDS OF STORIES OF COMPANIES SAYING, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW SO MANY PEOPLE TO WORK AT HOME, BUT WE'RE KEEPING THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE.
WE'RE JUST PUTTING LESS PEOPLE IN IT.
AND I DON'T SEE AMERICA EVER CHANGING BACK FROM THAT.
NOW WE'RE ALL LIVING IN SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED BEFORE.
AND SO THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THE OTHER DAY ABOUT A COMPANY IN DALLAS, IT'S BUYING ANOTHER 20,000 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THE OWNER WANTS EVERYBODY TO COME TO WORK, BUT HE'S GOT TO EXPAND THE AREAS.
SO IF WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS PARKING, THE BASICALLY ADDISON IS PROMOTING WHY RIDE THE TRANSIT SAY, NO, YOU CAN GO THERE AND YOU CAN PARK.
THEY GOT PLENTY OF PARKING BY DOING THAT.
YOU ALSO ARE ALLOWING NOW MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR STREETS, MORE TRAFFIC.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE GOING TOTALLY AGAINST THAT BECAUSE URBAN DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A LOT OF PARKING AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EMISSIONS WE'RE POLLUTING THE EARTH MORE.
UM, IT'S JUST, UM, AND THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY, I'M INVESTING 8 MILLION.
IF I CAN'T SELL THE BUILDING, IT'S IT'S OF NO CONCERN TO ADDISON.
IF YOU DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING, YOUR HOUSE, YOU WANT TO PUT A HOT TUB IN YOUR LIVING ROOM, SUNKEN.
I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE A VERY GOOD JOB, A GOOD ABILITY TO SELL THAT HOUSE.
SO YOU GOT A HOT TUB RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LIVING ROOM, SUCKING IN THE FLOOR.
AND IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE, BUT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SELL YOUR HOME IF I CAN'T SELL THIS BUILDING OR RENT IT OUT TO THE NEXT GUY.
NOT THE CITY OF ADDISON'S AS A FOLLOW UP.
UM, DO YOU HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY? YES, EILEEN, I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING, ASKING THAT QUESTION.
UM, MR. DUNKIN, OUR PARTNER IN THE BUILDING, UM, HE HAD ANOTHER COMPANY.
HE SOLD THAT COMPANY FOR $500 MILLION AND HE HAD AN, HE NOW HAS WHAT IS CALLED A FAMILY OFFICE.
AND SO WE BOTH HAVE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL IF I WANT TO BACK OUT, IF I WANT TO SELL MY PART IN THE BUILDING, MR. DUNKIN HAS THE RIGHT TO BUY IT.
AND HE'S ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT HE WOULD LOVE TO TURN THIS INTO HIS FAMILY OFFICE.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY PROBABLY 20 PEOPLE THAT MANAGE
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THEIR WEALTH.UM, SO THAT'S OUR EXIT PLAN IF WE WERE TO, IF WE WERE TO DOES ANYBODY
SO, UM, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO OVER, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? OKAY.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE COMMISSIONERS.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHARLES? ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR BOB? UM, DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES ANY WHICH WAY? WHAT WE'RE ALL THINKING.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU TAN? THAT'S FINE.
SO I'M GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
UM, ARE WE INTERESTED IN, IS THIS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD I'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS, WELL, PUBLIC HEARING.
SO TAD SAID WE CAN DISCUSS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OURSELVES.
THAT I WAS WONDERING IF, IF ANYBODY, MY THOUGHT WAS WE TABLE IT, FIND OUT WHAT THE FAA WAS INTERESTED IN, WHAT THEM LOOK AT, REWORKING THEIR MASTER TRANSPORTATION IDEAS AND SEE, AND SEE WHAT WE RECONVENED NEXT MONTH.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF ANYBODY THOUGHT THAT HAD ANY TRACTION.
SO ANY TAKERS THINK THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HEARD.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT CHARLES AND BOB AND PROBABLY TYLER TOGETHER, UM, TALK WITH THE FAA, GET SOME KIND OF DECISION BECAUSE I THINK THE ONLY REAL CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS PEANUT TO SANDWICHES THAT MIGHT COME AS A RESULT OF THIS.
AND SO IF WE CAN GET THAT CLEARED UP AND IF THEY CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION, IF I PROMISE AUDIENCE SAID THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THE SETBACK.
SO GET THAT ADDRESSED AND, UM, COME BACK TO US NEXT MONTH, THOROUGHLY AGREE WITH THAT.
ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.
AND A SECOND, I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT HOW I JUST STATED THAT.
SO BOB IS TYLER AND CHARLES WILL CONTACT THE FAA AND ORDER KIND OF A DECISION THAT THEY WILL BE POSITIVE AND THAT WE WILL THEN, UM, NON-WELL WORK ON THE REDESIGN WITH THE SETBACK AND BACK TO THIS NEXT MONTH FOR, UM, SEEKING APPROVAL.
IS THAT A MOTION TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING? CAN I ASK TWO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? YES.
SO, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE FAA AND THEIR INPUT, AGAIN, AS THE COMMISSIONER LOOKING FOR SOME DEFINITIVE STATEMENT FROM THE FAA, THAT THEY ARE, THEY MORE, I MEAN, THEY APPROVE THIS OR AT LEAST WON'T TAKE ANY NEGATIVE ACTION AGAINST THE TOWN BECAUSE OF IT.
I THINK THE LATTER IS THE IMPORTANT PARTS THAT WERE NEGATIVE ACTION TAKEN AGAINST THEM.
AND THEN ON THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, AND THE SETBACK ARE YOU IS, IS YOUR, AND THE COMMISSION'S INTENT THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND SETBACKS ON THEIR PROPERTY, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE.
UM, AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMPROMISE.
ARE WE TRYING TO GET THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN? I MEAN, I THINK THAT YOU CAN COME BACK TO US WITH EITHER ONE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT AND Y'ALL CAN GO FROM THERE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, UM, REGARDING THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO WHETHER THAT'S THE SETBACKS ON THIS PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR SOME SORT OF CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE STREET, I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY, IF IT'S EVEN A POSSIBILITY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
LOOK, LOOK AGAIN, HE'S GOT 8 MILLION REASONS WHY HE NEEDS TO DO THIS AND WHY HE WANTS TO DO THIS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS WE HAVE COMING THAT ARE WILLING
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TO PLOP DOWN THAT KIND OF MONEY AND MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN OUR TOWN TO DO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT HE WANTS TO DO.YES, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT ON HIS PART TO MEET US.
AND SO IF HE COULD MEET US ON THIS AND WHETHER IT'S ACROSS THE STREET OR IN SOME PROGRAM THAT IS AMENABLE OR THE TOWN GREAT.
AND IF NOT, THEN, OKAY, WE'LL GO OUR SEPARATE WAYS.
EVERY TIME, TAKE THIS MOTION AGAIN.
SO WE CAN, WELL, I HAVE THIS FAR, THE MOTION THAT ISLAND'S GONNA PUT IN, BUT YES, IN THE PROCESS, IF WE PROVE WHAT, YOU'VE YOUR MOTION, EILEEN AND I DO CONTACT THE FAA AND THE FAA DOES NOT COME BACK WITHIN A MONTH OR GIVES THEM SOME INDICATION AND PHONE CALL THAT THEY'VE DONE ALL THEY WILL.
AS FAR AS THE LETTER TO BOB THAT HE WROTE EARLIER, OR THEY SAY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY COMMENT THAT THEY'RE DONE.
UM, WHAT COMES BACK TO US NEXT MONTH? I I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
IF THE FAA IS EDGES OR SAYS NO, OR DOES SOMETHING, NO, THAT GIVE US A COMPLETE AD.
I THINK THE MOTION, IT WOULD JUST, SOMEBODY BE A MOTION TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK AND WE'D COUNSEL, UH, DETERMINE HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED.
SO, I MEAN, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MOTION, ARE WE BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? SO THE PARTIES CAN DISCUSS FAA AND MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND ARE WE GOING TO DROP ANY OBJECTIONS TO PARKING OR IS THAT GOING TO BE ALL SO ON THE TABLE WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT MONTH, I THINK IF YOU TABLE THE ITEM, EVERYTHING WOULD BE BACK ON THE TABLE.
AND THE FOLLOWING MEETING, I WOULD PREFER THAT TO BE THE MOTION IS THAT WE ARE TABLING THIS, UM, AND THE THREE MAJOR CONTENTIOUS ITEMS WILL BE DISCUSSED AGAIN IN THE NEXT WEEK.
WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANYTHING, RIGHT.
CHAIRMAN'S APPROVAL ON MY MOTION, RESTATE MY MOTION.
THAT WOULD BE WE'LL TITLE THIS BACK NEXT MONTH WITH ALL THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED ON THOSE PREVIOUS ISSUES.
AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? FANTASTIC.
TO CLARIFY THAT DATE IS SEPTEMBER 15TH.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING CASE, UH, 1809 Z BAUMANN BUILDING UNTIL NEXT MONTH, I ALL POSTS.
SO WE WILL TABLE CASE 1809 TIL NEXT MONTH.
AND BOB AND WE'LL MEET WITH YOU AGAIN NEXT MONTH AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A RESOLUTION TO YOUR CASE.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
AND IT'S A GORGEOUS BUILDING AND ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PRESENTATIONS I'VE EVER SEEN.
LOVE ADDISON, AND WE HOPE WE CAN WORK THIS OUT.
SO KNOW HOW YOU GET THE CARS GOING ACROSS A RENDERING.
[4. Discuss whether the Planning and Zoning Commission prefers to continue holding meetings virtually or return to in person meetings.]
OKAY.WE HAVE ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM AND THAT IS TO DISCUSS WHETHER THE PLANNING, IS THERE ANY CONDITION FOR FIRST TO CONTINUE HOLDING MEETINGS VIRTUALLY OR RETURN TO IN PERSON MEETINGS? SO CHARLES, DO YOU WANT TO STATE YOUR CASE OR DO WE DISCUSS, OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT? WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A CASE, BUT, UM, THE, I, I WOULD JUST LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT STARTING WITH, UH, THEY'RE MEETING NEXT WEEK, UH, THE COUNCIL HAS DECIDED TO RETURN TO IN PERSON MEETINGS, THOSE MEETINGS WILL BE HELD AT THE TREE HOUSE, WHICH THEIR BIG EVENT ROOM, WHICH YOU HAVE PROPER SOCIAL DISTANCING.
EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN TABLES.
UH, WE CAN HAVE A, UH, UM, AN AUDIENCE AREA THAT IS PROPERLY SOCIAL DISTANCE.
UM, AND SO, UH, IT, IT IS AN OPTION, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, OR WE CAN DO ZOOM MEETINGS, UM, IF, IF WE DO GO BACK TO IN PERSON MEETINGS AND IT IS A FULL BLOWN IN PERSON MEETING IN ALL OF THE, THE TYPICAL REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
PEOPLE CAN COME IN PERSON AND SPEAK.
UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE, ARE BACK AND REQUIRED.
UM, SO IT'S, IT STAFF IS FLEXIBLE EITHER WAY.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE SINCE P AND Z IS DOING, OR SINCE COUNCIL WAS DOING IT, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR P AND Z AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO USE ZOOM OR WE DON'T.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE Y'ALL THINKING? ARE WE GOING TO BE WEARING MASK?
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OH YEAH.SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR WEARING IS YOU HAVE TO WEAR A MASK WHERE YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN A SOCIAL DISTANCE.
AND SO I CAN'T REQUIRE ANYONE TO WEAR A MASK IF THEY'RE SIX FEET APART.
UH, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD PRACTICE.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S GOOD TO MODEL THAT BEHAVIOR FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO WEAR A MASK.
WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE COAT AND TIES AGAIN? THAT'S YOUR CALL? I'M HAPPY TO JUST GO.
DO YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE ON WITH THE SAME AND I'M GOING TO DO IT PROBABLY VERY SELFISH REASON.
I HAVE A MOTHER WHO HAD 98 AND A HALF.
SHE IS IN A PLACE WHERE I CAN STILL SEE HER AND I DO ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT I DO OTHER THAN SEE MY MOM IS WALK.
I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM SINCE MAY, UH, MARCH 13TH OUTSIDE OF THE SONG.
AND I'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY DILIGENT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE OF DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD THREATEN HER.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, THAT WE NOT, AS I SAY, IT'S TRUE HERSELF, SAME RECOMMENDATION, JUST FOR THE REASON THAT I HAD A MOTHER THAT JUST REACHED 100, TWO DAYS AGO.
SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON NOT BEING ABLE TO GET SOME PARTAKING IN THE PUBLIC MEETING.
ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE IN PERSON OR CAN CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS OPT OUT AND COME IN ON.
SO YEAH, IF A QUORUM IS PRESENT, UH, PEOPLE CAN ATTEND BY VIDEO CONFERENCE THAT CAN GET TRICKY.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING SET UP SO THAT THAT PERSON COULD BE SEEN AND HEARD WHERE THE CORE IS PRESENT.
UH, AND SO THAT IS AN OPTION, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM AND PHYSICALLY PRESENT, AND THEN BASICALLY HAVE THE OTHER PEOPLE KIND OF IN A ZOOM STYLE,
OTHERWISE WE'LL BE DOING IT REMOTE AS WELL.
AND DEFERENCE TO OUR TWO COLLEGE, I WOULD VOTE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO IT.
UM, AND I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE JOHN I'M DON'T EVEN SITUATION.
I'VE GOT SOME SIMILAR, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD.
LET COUNSEL GO AHEAD AND EXPERIMENT WITH THIS.
AND THAT GIVES US TIL OCTOBER TWO TO WORRY ABOUT IF WE WANT TO GO BACK IN PERSON AND WE THINK IT'S SAFE, BUT, UM, I'LL TELL YA.
I THINK IT'S, I'D RATHER JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE EXPERIMENT WITH COUNCIL DOES.
UM, BEFORE I THINK I WOULD PREFER JUMPING IN AND I FEEL, I FEEL THE SAME WAY.
IT'S BETTER FOR YOU TO CHARLES ISN'T IT WITH THE BABY.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE ASKING MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UM, WHENEVER, UM, THE TOWN UPDATES, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON THIS WEEK IN ADDISON, UM, THEY PUT OUT THAT THE, THE CURRENT STATE OF SEXES REQUIREMENTS, AS FAR AS PUBLIC MEETINGS, NOT PUBLIC MEETINGS, THE FACT THAT THEY'VE GONE TO PUBLIC, DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING ZOOM OR IS IT NOT GOING TO BE SPLIT WHERE, CAUSE AT THE END OF ALL THESE STATEMENTS, THEY SAY WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ZOOM MEETINGS.
WE'VE SUSPENDED THIS SUSPENDED THAT BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ALL THE LEGAL LEGALEES, BUT ARE WE ALLOWED TO BE THE ONLY BODY OUT THERE THAT'S GOING SOON.
WHEREAS THE REST OF THE TOWN, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, AS LONG AS THEY, THE GOVERNOR HAS ISSUED AN ORDER, SUSPENDING CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND AS LONG AS THAT ORDER IS IN PLACE, THE BODIES CAN MEET VIA ZOOM AND LONGER.
THAT'S GOING TO BE IN PLACE BY THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.
HASN'T GIVEN ME ANY GUIDANCE ON HOW LONG THAT WILL BE.
I THINK HE'S EXTENDING THEM IN 30 DAY INCREMENTS FOR NOW.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN HE DID IT LAST, BUT IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, FOREVER AND FOR ALWAYS, BUT, UH, HE'S EXTENDED THEM IN THEIR 30 DAY INCREMENTS.
SO THERE'LL BE RENEWED THAT PUTS US IN A REAL BIND AT SOME POINT IN TIME DOWN THE ROAD, CORRECT?
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YES.SO CHARLES, IS THIS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO VOTE ON OR THAT WE JUST ALL AGREED? UH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT EVERYBODY AGREES.
SO I WILL, I WILL PROCEED WITH ZOOM MEETINGS GOING FORWARD UNTIL EITHER THE GOVERNOR REQUIRES THAT WE GO BACK TO IN PERSON OR ONE OF YOU REQUESTS THAT I PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION.
WELL I MISS YOU GUYS AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT STEP NEXT MONTH.