* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. READY MAYOR, GO AHEAD AND [00:00:01] CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. OKAY. [ Call Meeting to Order] ALL RIGHT. I LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND UP BEFORE WE START THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, LIKE TO DO THE PLEDGE. SO EVERYBODY'S READY. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC AND JUSTICE. THANK YOU. SO LET ME READ [ EXECUTIVE SESSION Closed (Executive) Session of the Addison City Council pursuant to: Section 551.071, Tex. Gov. Code, to conduct a private consultation with its attorney on a matter in which the duty of the attorney to the governmental body under the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct of the State Bar of Texas clearly conflicts with Chapter 551, Tex. Gov. Code, pertaining to: A special election to consider Charter amendments] THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT. SO CALLED EXECUTIVE SESSION OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL PURSUANT TO SECTION FIVE FIVE ONE DASH ZERO SEVEN ONE TEXAS GOVERNMENT TO CONDUCT A PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ITS ATTORNEY IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS, CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THE CHAPTER FIVE, THE US GOVERNMENT AND THE CODE PRETENDING TO A SPECIAL ELECTIONS POTTER. ABANDONMENTS ALRIGHT, SO RIGHT NOW IS A 5:38 PM. WE ARE ENTERING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR. THANK YOU. JUST GIVE US A FEW MINUTES AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WE'RE READY TO GO IN THERE. ALRIGHT. THUMBS UP. ALRIGHT. RIGHT NOW IS [ Reconvene in to Regular Session: In accordance with Texas Government Code, Chapter 551, the City Council will reconvene into Regular Session to consider action, if any, on matters discussed in Executive Session.] 6:56 PM AND WE ARE EXITING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THE, THERE IS NO ACTION TAKEN. SO WORK SESSION, THE FIRST ITEM [1. Present and Discuss Any Action Necessary or New Information Regarding the COVID-19 Pandemic.] IS PRESENT, DISCUSS ANY ACTION NECESSARY OR NEW INFORMATION REGARDING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC. WES, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, JUST, UH, A COUPLE OF ITEMS, UH, TONIGHT, UH, ON SATURDAY, AUGUST THE EIGHTH, GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT EXTENDED THE STATE'S DISASTER DECLARATION RELATED TO COVID-19. UH, SO EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE OPERATING UNDER, WE WERE OPERATING UNDER IS CONTAINED, AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRING ALL TEXANS TO WEAR A FACE COVERING OVER THE NOSE AND MOUTH IN PUBLIC SPACES, AS WELL AS, UM, THE PROCLAMATION THAT GIVES MAYORS AND COUNTY JUDGES, THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON OUTDOOR GATHERINGS OF OVER 10 PEOPLE AND MAKING IT MANDATORY WITH CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS THAT PEOPLE CAN NOT BE IN GROUPS LARGER THAN, UM, 10. AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO MAINTAIN SIX FEET OF SOCIAL DISTANCE FROM OTHERS. THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE, UM, ON THIS, UH, MATTER OF THIS EVENING, AS YOU'LL RECALL, WE RECENTLY HAD GIVE ME A SECOND HERE. WE RECENTLY, UM, UH, RECEIVED THAT OR PUT OUT A CALL AND RECEIVE THAT APPLICATIONS FOR A, THE ADDISON CARES, UH, BUSINESS, UH, A GRANT FOR A GRANT FOR BUSINESSES TO GET LEASED ASSISTANCE AND WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT. WE RECEIVED 57 APPLICATIONS, UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY ONLY THREE OF THOSE QUALIFIED FOR THE REQUIREMENTS. UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE REACHED BACK OUT TO DALLAS COUNTY AND SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES HERE. WHAT CAN WE DO TO, UM, TO MAKE IT SO MORE PEOPLE CAN QUALIFY FOR THIS PART OF THE ISSUE WAS IS THAT THERE WAS A DISQUALIFYING, THERE WERE DISQUALIFYING NUMBERS OR, UH, ASPECTS SUCH AS THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, UH, FOR THE COMPANIES THAT APPLIED AS WELL AS HAVING ALREADY RECEIVED FUNDING THROUGH EITHER THE PPP PPP LOAN PROGRAM OR THE ECONOMIC INJURY DISASTER LOANS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. SO IN REACHING OUT THE DALLAS COUNTY, UH, THEY HAVE ALLOWED US TO BROADEN, UH, THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A SECOND ROUND OF APPLICATIONS. ALL THOSE THAT HAVE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS TO THIS POINT WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THAT SECOND ROUND. AND WE WILL ASK FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, APPLICATIONS, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, THE EMPLOYMENT LEVELS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE, EXCUSE ME. SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE CHANGING OR BROADENING IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MINT, UH, INCREASE THE MINIMUM EMPLOYMENT LEVEL FROM 50 TO 75, WE WILL GIVE PRIORITY TO COMPANIES THAT HAVE NOT, THAT DID NOT RECEIVE FUNDING FROM, UH, PPP OR THE EMERGENCY, UH, INJURY DISASTER LOAN PROGRAM, UM, OR ANY OTHER COVID-19 RELATED SUPPORT PROGRAM. UM, BUT COMPANIES, BUT IF THEY HAVE RECEIVED IT, THEY CAN'T RECEIVE, THEY PUT, THEY CAN'T [00:05:01] HAVE RECEIVED A CERTAIN, UH, IN EXCESS OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS A $50,000. UM, THEY HAVE, OTHER THAN THE OTHER CRITERIA, IT HAS TO REMAIN IN PLACE. THEY HAVE TO BE AN ADDICT LOCATED IN MADISON. THEY HAVE TO HAVE EXPERIENCED 25% LOSS IN REVENUE OVER A TWO CONSECUTIVE MONTHS. UM, AND, UH, AND THE COMPANY ANNUAL REVENUES MUST BE BELOW. UM, I THINK IT'S $10 MILLION. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THE SECOND ROUND, UH, THE APPLICATIONS WILL OPEN ON THURSDAY THE 13TH, SO LATER THIS WEEK, AND WE'LL CLOSE IT ON FRIDAY, AUGUST THE 28TH. AND GIVE ME, UH, BASICALLY WE'RE GIVING ANY NEW APPLICANTS, THE ABILITY TO SUPPLY FOR A TWO WEEK PERIOD, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO WORK THROUGH THAT. SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL. AND, UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHARE AS WELL IS THAT, UH, WE, LAST WEEK WE HAD A COUPLE OF, UM, UM, BUDGETS WORK SESSIONS AND THEY WERE HELD IN PERSON AT THE ADDISON TREE HOUSE. THE, A QUESTION I HAVE IS WHETHER OR NOT HOW THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HANDLE, UM, COUNCIL MEETINGS, UH, IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING VIRTUALLY. UH, BUT I KNOW THAT, UH, THERE'S AN INTEREST IN TRYING TO GET TOGETHER TO DO THESE AS WELL. THE ISSUE WITH, UH, HAVING THEM IN PERSON IS THAT AS LONG AS THERE IS A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL, THAT'S PRESENT IN PERSON, THEN THE PUBLIC AT LARGE IS REQUIRED TO BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND AS WELL. SO IT CAN'T BE SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE ONLY THE COUNCIL IN PERSON AND THEN THE REST OF EVERYBODY ELSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC HAS TO, TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY. SO I WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL ON, ON THEIR THOUGHTS ON, ON HAVING MEETINGS, CONTINUING TO HAVE MEETINGS VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON, AND KIND OF GET SOME, UH, SOME IDEAS OF, OF COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE. NO, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL START. MY, MY PREFERENCE IS TO MEET IN PERSON. UM, AND I THINK THAT WE JUST PUT SOME LIMITATIONS ON THE, ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE SEATING, YOU KNOW, WITH SIX FEET IN BETWEEN SPACES FOR THE, FOR, FOR ANY, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO ATTEND. UM, I IMAGINE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A MAD RUSH OF PEOPLE WANTING TO ATTEND CONSIDERING THE PANDEMIC, BUT THAT'S MY 2 CENTS, IF I MAY, I'M SORRY. THE OTHER THING IS IF WE DO MEET IN PERSON, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONSIDER MAYBE MEETING HAVING OUR MEETINGS AT THE TREEHOUSE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN PROPERLY, UH, DISTANCE, EVERYBODY. IT AT THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, I GOT THE ATHLETIC CLUB ON THE BREAK AT THE, UH, AT TOWN HALL. THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO DO. SO IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN PERSON, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO CHANGE THE VENUE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. I LIKE TRYING IT. HEY, WES, ARE YOU ASKING FROM A, LIKE A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE OR ARE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT JUST GOING FORWARD IN GENERAL, I'M REFERRING SPECIFICALLY AT THIS POINT TO OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS. YEAH. I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT. UH, I'D LOVE THAT. AND THE TREE HOUSE SOUNDS GREAT. I THINK, I THINK OUR, UH, BUDGET MEETINGS WORKED WELL AT THE TREE HOUSE. THEY, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF ATTENDANCE FROM PUBLIC, HOWEVER, THEY WERE AVAILABLE TO COME IN IF I RECALL CORRECTLY AND WE HAD IT SET UP FOR THAT. UH, SO I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS WITH, UM, WITH TRYING TO GET TOGETHER. UH, WE WERE ABLE TO SOCIAL DISTANCE AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO, FOR US TO BE TOGETHER, TOM R NO, I AGREE. I THINK IT WOULD. I THINK WE THINK IT'S A BETTER MEETING WHEN WE'RE IN PERSON PERSONALLY. I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR WEST THOUGH. I'M OVER AT THE TREE HOUSE TAKE TO BRING THIS UP, BUT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ACCESSIBILITY IN THE SECOND FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING? THERE IS AN ELEVATOR TO GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THEN WE'VE GOT AN ADA RAMP, A RAMP THAT'S ADA, CURRENT, IT'S UP TO CURRENT ADA STANDARDS OUTSIDE. SO IT'S JUST GETTING INTO THE BUILDING OR UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR. OKAY. I'M FOR IT BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, MEETING PERSON ALWAYS NICER, SO YOU CAN DIRECT TALK WITHOUT ANY SECOND DELAY. AND THEN, UM, PEOPLE CAN'T ALWAYS SPEAK, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WAITING TO SHOW UP BECAUSE THE SPACE IS BIG ENOUGH TO DISTANCE THEM. UM, SO [00:10:02] AUGUST 25TH, RIGHT. COUNCIL MEETING. SO WE CAN PREPARE FOR THAT, THAT MEETING. YES. CAN WE REEVALUATE ALSO WEST AT SOME TIME LATER ONCE WE SEE IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S WORKING WELL OR NOT, OR IF THE PUBLIC IS RECEPTIVE TO IT. YES. BUT JUST TO REMIND YOU, I'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE FLAG HAVE WHAT? I'M SORRY, MAYOR. WE WILL, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. YES OR TOO. ALRIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THOSE ARE MY, UH, UH, COVID RELATED ITEMS MAYOR AT THIS TIME. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS, BUT I CAN WAIT UNTIL JUST BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD OF THE MEETING TO WAIT UNTIL WE STARTED THE REGULAR MEETING. YEP. ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER TWO. [2. Present and Discuss the Town of Addison Facility, Residential Refuse and Recycling Services, and Bulk Trash and Unbundled Brush Collection Request for Proposals.] PRESENT, DISCUSS A TOP ADDISON FACILITY, RESIDENTIAL REFUSE AND RECYCLING SERVICES IN THE BOOK TRASH AND BUNDLE THE BRUSH COLLECTION REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, NUMERIC COUNCIL, SHANNON HICKS, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING SERVICES. LET ME GET MY SCREEN SHARED WITH YOU. CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE PRESENTATION? YES, YES. YES. FANTASTIC. THIS ITEM BEFORE WE DID NINE, IS THE DISCUSSION ON THE RESIDENTIAL REFUSE AND RECYCLING ALONG WITH, UH, THE TOWN, UH, TRASH FACILITIES. UM, THE TOWN ENTERED INTO ITS CURRENT COTTON WASTE HAULING CONTRACT WITH COMMUNITY WASTE DISPOSAL. ON IN NOVEMBER OF 2015, HIS CONTRACT WAS ORIGINALLY A FIVE YEAR TERM WITH AN OPTIONAL FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL AT THE MAY 12TH COUNCIL MEETING STAFF PRESENTED CWDM TERMS FOR THE RENEWAL. AND AT THAT MEETING COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO SEEK PROPOSALS FOR THIS SERVICES, UH, TO THAT END, UM, RFPD 20 DASH ONE 55 WAS ISSUED ON JUNE 8TH. THIS ARE INCLUDED SERVICE OPTIONS RANGING FROM RESIDENTIAL TRASH WITH NO RECYCLING RESIDENTIAL TRASH COLLECTION. WITH RECYCLING. WE INCLUDED AN ALTERNATE FOR BULK AND UNBUNDLED BRUSH COLLECTION. AND SINCE THE TOWN FACILITIES CONTRACT WAS EXPIRED, THOSE SERVICES WERE INCLUDED AS WELL. UH, THE RFP, UM, SPECIFIED A FIVE YEAR TERM WITH AN OPTIONAL FIVE-YEAR EXTENSION AT THE RUSSIAN, WE HELD A PRE-PROPOSAL CONFERENCE AT THE SURVEYOR WATER TOWER OR STAFF OUTLINE THE DETAILS OF THE RFP AND CALLED ATTENTION TO ITEMS THAT WERE SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN. UH, PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED ON JULY 7TH FROM FOUR VENDORS, WASTE MANAGEMENT, FRONTIER WASTE SOLUTIONS, REPUBLIC SERVICES, AND COMMUNITY WASTE DISPOSAL. WE EVALUATED THESE PROPOSALS ON FOUR CRITERIA PRICE AT 45% EXPERIENCED IN PAST PERFORMANCE, PAST PERFORMANCE, 25% CUSTOMER SERVICE AND QUALITY ASSURANCE PLAN 25% AND ATTENDANCE AT THE PRE-PROPOSAL MEETING GOT ON FIVE POINTS. UH, THE SELECTION COMMITTEE CONSISTED OF SEVEN MEMBERS OF TOWN STAFF FROM PUBLIC WORKS GENERAL SERVICES, AS WELL AS THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, BASED ON THE SCORING CWD WAS THE BEST RESPONDENT WITH AN OVERALL SCORE OF 94 FOLLOWED BY REPUBLICAN 82 IN FRONTIER AT 81, I WILL POINT OUT THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT PROPOSAL WAS FOUND TO BE NONCONFORMING. THEY DID NOT SUBMIT PRICING FOR ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES, NOR DID THEY INCLUDE, UH, THE RECYCLING FOR THE TOWN FACILITIES, WHICH WAS A REQUIREMENT OF AN RFP OF THE ART PAPER. AS WE SHOWED EARLIER, PRICE WAS THE LARGEST GRADES GRADING CRITERIA AT FIVE 45%. AND HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THE PRICING SUBMITTED BY EACH A RESPONSIVE RESPONSIVE COMPANY. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS CHART, CWD WAS BY FAR THE MOST COMPETITIVE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES. UH, IF YOU'LL RECALL IN OUR PRESENTATION IN MAY, THE CURRENT RATE IS $12 AND 56 CENTS PER WEEK PER HOUSEHOLD. UH, BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE OR THE CURRENT RATE WITHOUT THE HOUSEHOLD. HAZARDOUS WASTE IS $11 AND 78 CENTS PER MONTH PER HOUSEHOLD. AND THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RFP AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. THAT'S STUFF THAT'S PERFORMED BY TOWN STAFF AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO. SO DIVING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO A CWDM PROPOSAL. LIKE I SAID, THEY SCORED A 94 OUT OF A HUNDRED ON THEIR EVALUATION, THE REFUSE AND COMBINED WITH 300, $1,000, 400 4,300, $1,440 ANNUALLY OR $12 AND 56 CENTS PER MONTH PER [00:15:01] HOUSEHOLD. IF WE WERE TO JUST AWARD BASED ON REFEREES, ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTS, NO RECYCLING, IT WAS $262,320 OR $10 AND 93 CENTS PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH. THE BULK TRASH AND UNBUNDLED BRUSH ALTERNATE WAS 107,000 AT THREE OR $4 AND 46 CENTS PER MONTH PER HOUSEHOLD. AND THE TOWN FACILITIES AND REFUSE RECYCLING WAS $66,428 A WELL POINT OUT THAT IF YOU'LL RECALL FROM OUR DISCUSSION ON THEIR RENEWAL, CWD SUBMITTED, UH, A PRICING FACTOR IN INCREASE BASED ON A FORMULA THAT WAS A COMBINATION OF THE CPI, NATURAL GAS SPOT PRICE, AND LANDFILL. THAT WAS CONTRARY TO WHAT WE HAD ASKED FOR IN THE RFP, BUT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH CWD, IT TURNED OUT THEIR, THEIR REAL CONCERN ARE UNCONTROLLABLE, MAJOR SWINGS AND COSTS, UM, TO THERE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE TOWN WITH NO OPTION OF, AT ALL, GETTING ANY KIND OF INCREASE. SO IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, UH, WHAT WE HAD AGREED THAT THE CPI WOULD BE FINE AS LONG AS WE HAD SOME OPTION IN THERE FOR THEM TO COME BACK AND REQUEST AN INCREASE, UH, WITH A MINIMUM OF 180 DAYS OF THE CONTRACTOR ANNUAL DATE. YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT AN INCREASE ON A CERTAIN DATE, THEY HAVE TO REQUEST THAT A MINIMUM 180 DAYS IN ADVANCE, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ANALYZE IT, SEE IF IT'S REASONABLE, BRING IT TO COUNCIL. AND IF COUNCIL DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS REASONABLE, WE CAN GO BACK OUT FOR BID. UM, DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CWD, WE'VE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT THEY'VE LAUNCHED AN APP, UH, SO THIS CAN MAKE YOU, THIS WOULD MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT COMPLAINTS. IF THEY MISS THEIR TRASH OR RECYCLING, THEY CAN GO RIGHT INTO THE APP AND HAVE REAL TIME TRACKING, UH, FOR ANY OF THESE SERVICES THAT THEY REQUEST. AND THEN OUR STAFF'S TRIED IT OUT AND THEIR WORK WORKS REALLY WELL. THE TOWN OWNED FACILITIES, WE MENTIONED, UM, THIS INCLUDES TOWN HALL SERVICE CENTER AND THE FINANCE BUILDING, OUR CONTRACT IS CURRENTLY EXPIRED FOR THAT WE'RE ON A MONTH TO MONTH PAYING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER RATES. WE ASKED FOR PROPOSALS FROM EVERYBODY ON, ON THE SERVICES OF CWD. HIS PROPOSAL WAS $66,428 AND 21 CENTS. AND OUR CURRENT ANNUAL COST IS $48,380. THIS WILL GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN OF, UH, OF THE PROPOSALS, UM, JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHERE OUR CURRENT RATE IS AND WHAT OUR PROPOSED RATE WOULD BE. IF, UH, IF WE DO AWARD THIS TO CWD AS INTENDED, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE REFUSE PORTION OF THE RATE HAS GONE UP 56 CENTS. THE RECYCLING HAS GONE UP 22 CENTS. THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE WAS REMOVED, CAUSE WE'RE STILL DOING WITH HOUSE STAFF. SO THAT WAS A 73 CENT REDUCTION RESULTING IN A NET INCREASE OF 5 CENTS FROM OUR CURRENT RATES. HOW'S THAT COMPARE WITH ARE THE CITIES AROUND US, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE STILL VERY COMPETITIVE. WE'RE ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES IN THE AREA FOR OUR TRASH AND RECYCLING COSTS WITH AN AVERAGE OF $17 AND 43 CENTS IN THE AREA, THE SERVICES ARE SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME. UM, THE REFUSE IS THE SAME. WE'D BE PICKING UP TWICE A WEEK. UH, THE RECYCLING WOULD BE ALMOST THE EXACT SAME WITH ONE EXCEPTION. WE DID REQUEST IN THE RFP THAT THE PROVIDERS, UH, GIVE RESIDENTS A CHOICE OF EITHER THE CURRENT 64 GALLON RECYCLING CARTS OR THE ABILITY TO GET TO UTILIZE 18 GALLON BINS AS WELL. SO IF THE CONTRACT GOES FORWARD, THAT WILL BE AN EXTRA OPTION THAT OUR RESIDENTS WILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION IS, IS THE BULK TRASH RUSH. ALTERNATE THE COST PROPOSED BY CWD WAS $107,000. AND THE SERVICE WOULD CONSIST OF THEM MAKING THE SWEEP OF THE TOWN ONCE A WEEK ON A THURSDAY AND PICKING UP EVERYTHING BEHIND THE CURB UP TO 15 CUBIC YARDS PER HOUSEHOLD. ON THAT DAY, ADDITIONALLY RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SCHEDULE A PICKUP ON ANOTHER SET DAY OF THE WEEK, SAY ON MONDAYS. SO THEY WOULD HAVE A CHOICE OF ONE OR THE OTHER, AND CWD WOULD GO BY AND COLLECT, COLLECT THOSE RESIDENTS BULK AND UNBUNDLED BRUSH UP TO 15 CUBIC YARDS ON THOSE DAYS. SO THEN THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP IS WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE HAS 30 CUBIC YARDS OF MATERIAL? WELL ON THURSDAY, SAY CWD WOULD MAKE THE PAST. THEY WOULD PICK UP 15 CUBIC YARDS OF THAT MATERIAL. AND THEN THE RESIDENT WOULD NEED TO CALL BACK IN FOR THE NEXT DAY TO PICK UP THE REMAINING AMOUNT, 30 YARDS, AS WELL AS A LOT, 15 CUBIC YARDS IS AN ENTIRE TRUCKLOAD OF MATERIAL. THERE'S NOT MANY INSTANCES THAT WE'VE HAD WHERE WE [00:20:01] WOULD HAVE IN ANY ONE, ONE TIME HAVE MORE THAN 15 CUBIC YARDS TO PICK UP IT'S HAPPENED, BUT IT'S NOT VERY OFTEN. SO THE THREE OPTIONS BEFORE US TONIGHT, THESE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED AT THE, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING IS, IS TO KEEP GOING THE WAY WE'RE GOING. THE, THE CURRENT OPERATIONS, IF YOU'LL CALL WERE THE STREET, MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL ARE PERFORMING THESE TASKS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING A SWEEP EARLY IN THE WEEK, EVERY ONCE A WEEK AND PICKING UP ALL THE UNBUNDLED BRUSH AND ALL THE BULK TRASH. AND THEY'RE GOING OUT THROUGHOUT THE WEEK AND PICKING US UP AS WELL. THAT COMPRISES ABOUT 60% OF THAT CRUISE TIME. AND IT'S ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST OF $172,000. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PAYING THOSE STREET MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS. DO THIS WORK, THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS IS IT'S IT'S THE ADDISON WAY. I MEAN, THIS IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE WE'VE GOT HIGHLY SKILLED PEOPLE PERFORMING THIS THEY'RE THERE AS EMPLOYEES, AND THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MOST EFFICIENT USE OF TALENT, THE RESOURCES, BUT THERE ARE, IS NO ADDITIONAL COSTS. WE'RE ALREADY ABSORBING THOSE COSTS. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF OUR BUDGET FOR A LONG TIME. SO THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL COST. THE SECOND OPTION IN WHAT WAS IN OUR BUDGET, CORRECT. CURRENTLY PROPOSED BUDGET IS THE HIRING ADDITIONAL TOWN STAFF. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE HIRING OF TWO FULL TIME POSITIONS. UH, THEY WOULD COST THE TOWN ABOUT $120,000 PER YEAR IN EXTRA MONEY. THAT'S NOT BEEN EXPENDED IN YEARS PAST, ALONG WITH ABOUT $45,000 IN EQUIPMENT COSTS FOR THEM TO PERFORM THESE TASKS OF PICKUP TRUCK AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, TOTAL COST AND IS ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND $165,000. THAT STILL BE THE ADD OF SOME WAY OF SERVICE, BUT IT IS AN INCREASE IN COST TO THE TOWN. UM, WE WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED TEAM FOR THESE PICKUPS AND IT IS A MUCH MORE ACTIVE USE OF RESOURCES WE HAD AVAILABLE TO, TO FREE UP THAT STREET MAINTENANCE CREW TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND DO STREET MAINTENANCE WORK. AND A FINAL OPTION IS TO OUTSOURCE THIS WORK TO CWD. THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR PRICING ON THIS AS TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR SALESFORCE. AND THAT COST IS $107,000. LIKE WE'D SAID, UH, ANNUALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE A SLIGHTLY LOWER LEVEL OF SERVICE. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, NOBODY'S GOING TO DO IT AS WELL AS OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO IT. AND IT IS INCORRECT INCREASING COSTS, BUT IT IS ALSO A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF RESOURCES. WE WOULDN'T BE TYING UP OUR STREET MAINTENANCE CREW. AND IN SUBSEQUENT TO PUTTING THE SLIDE TOGETHER, WE WERE DOING SOME ANALYSIS ON OUR, ON OUR ROLL OFF DUMPSTERS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. AND WE THINK WE'D HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SAVINGS IF WE OUTSOURCED IT TO CWD POSTAL COSTS, THE ROLL-OFF COSTS FOR THAT BULK TRASH AND UNBUNDLED BRUSH A FIVE TO $6,000 A YEAR. THAT JUST KIND OF CAME IN LATE. I KIND OF PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE ON JUST THE COSTS. UM, LIKE I SAID, WHAT WE'RE SPENDING TODAY IS ABOUT $172,000 IN THE LABOR FOR THE STREET MAINTENANCE CREW TO DO THIS WORK THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT $7 AND 17 CENTS PER HOME PER MONTH. IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE TWO NEW FTES TO DO THIS WORK, THAT'S $120,000 ONGOING THAT'S ABOUT $5 PER MONTH PER RESIDENCE. AND FOR CWD TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES AT 107,000, NO ONCE A YEAR, IF IT'S ABOUT $4 AND 46 CENTS PER MONTH. SO STAFF IS SEEKING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON, ON WHICH DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE US TO GO ON THE BULK AND UNBUNDLED BRUSH OPTIONS. UH, WE'LL TAKE THEM THIS DIRECTION AND, AND DEVELOP THAT INTO THE CONTRACT AND BRING THAT FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. UH, PROBABLY AT THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. I HAVE IN YOUR MIND, YOU'RE MUTED. SHANNON. THE DIFFERENCE IN SERVICE IS ONCE A WEEK, IF CWD DOES IT VERSUS I USE THE PHRASE ON DEMAND UNDERSTANDING THAT'S NOT EXACTLY ACCURATE BECAUSE IT'S CALLING TO GET A PICKUP WITHIN, I THINK 72 HOURS, IS THAT AN ACCURATE CONTRAST TO THE SERVICE LEVELS? SO THE WAY WE DO IT TODAY IS WE MAKE A SWEEP OF THE ENTIRE CITY AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE WEEK, MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS, WE TRY TO HIT EVERY HOUSE SINCE HE HAD TO HAVE ANYTHING OUT. AND THEN IF YOU CALL IN, WE'LL PICK UP ANY OF THE OTHER DAYS AS WELL. WELL, WHAT CWD WOULD DO IS THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO HAVE KIND OF TWO SET DAYS. THEY'LL HAVE ONE DAY WHERE THEY MAKE A SWEEP OF THE ENTIRE TOWN. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO BE PICKED UP ON THE OTHER DAY, YOU NEED TO SCHEDULE IT. OTHERWISE THEY ENDED UP HAVING A DEDICATED ENTIRE CREW TO THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? IT DID. THANK YOU. SURE. SHANNON IS CWD CURRENTLY PERFORMING THE REFUGE COLLECTION FOR THE TOWN FACILITIES. [00:25:01] IT IS. YES, SIR. I'M SURPRISED THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THE COINCIDENCE OF THESE COINCIDING OF THESE TWO OF THESE TWO CONTRACTS. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SERVICE THAT THEY ARE PERFORMING AS FAR AS HOW OFTEN THAT'S HAPPENING FOR THE TALENT FACILITIES AND HOW MANY LOCATIONS THERE ARE THAT THEY'RE PICKING UP AND WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT THE 48 48, THREE 80 IS GETTING US THE FACILITIES. IT'S THE TOWN HALL SERVICE CENTER IN FINANCE BUILDING. AND I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS ON THE, I'M A HERO RIGHT HERE ON GLASSES ON HERE. UM, AT THE SERVICE CENTER, WE HAVE A SIX YARD, FRONT-LOAD A 40 YARD ROLL OFF AND A 30 YARD ROLL OFF. AND THOSE ARE PICKED UP, UH, EITHER TWICE A WEEK OR ON CALL AT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A TWO YARD FRONT LOAD THAT'S PICKED UP ONCE A WEEK ON SATURDAYS, FIRE STATION. NUMBER ONE HAS A EIGHT YARD FRONT LOAD, LIKE KIND OF WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE PHOTO HERE, UH, TWICE A WEEK, FIRE STATION, NUMBER TWO, SAME THING WITH TWICE A WEEK. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A 10 YARD FRONT LOAD TWICE A WEEK. AND THE CONFERENCE CENTER HAS TWO EIGHT YARD FRONT LOADS TWICE A WEEK. AND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR AMOUNT OF EFFORT IS GOING UP BY 20, 20, 20%, 30%, 28%. YES, SIR. AND WE HAD TWO OF THE, TWO OF THE PRICINGS FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICES, OR, I MEAN, VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. I THINK I HAVE THE SLIDE RIGHT HERE, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CWD PRICING WAS 66, EIGHT 50 FRONTIER WAS 66, FOUR 28 AND REPUBLIC WAS 74, SEVEN 98 ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN. SO WHEN YOU GET ON GROUP THAT CLOSELY, WE, WE TEND TO BELIEVE WE HAVE GOOD PRICING. SO THE 66 FOUR 28 IS THAT INCLUDED THEM HERE IN THE, IN THE AVERAGE PER RESIDENT. IS THAT HOW IT'S BEING IS THAT, THAT, THAT BEING PER HOME, PER RESIDENTS FOR THE TOWN FACILITIES, WE ONLY LOOKED AT THOSE COMPARISONS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES, RIGHT? SO TO CLARIFY, THE TOWN PAYS THIS 66,000. IT'S NOT PASSED ON TO THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE IT'S SERVICING SPECIFICALLY THE TOWN FACILITIES THEMSELVES. THANK YOU. CAN YOU EXPLAIN OR KIND OF DESCRIBE THE, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR RESOURCES OR OUR PERSONNEL RESOURCES TO HAVE THEM PICK THAT UP. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING DONE? BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THIS INSTEAD OF HIRING A NEW CREW. YES. IT'S A, THIS CREW IS THEY'RE TRAINED TO DO STREET MAINTENANCE AND THE 60% OF THEIR TIME THEY'RE OUT PICKING UP THE STUFF. THEY'RE NOT OUT FIXING SIDEWALKS, THEY'RE NOT OUT FIXING POTHOLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT PICKING UP TRASH. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD, I'M SORRY, TOM, GO AHEAD. NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY SO. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ARE WE SEEING BECAUSE OF THEIR SPENDING 60% OF THEIR TIME, ARE WE SEEING POTHOLES AND A LOT OF STUFF AROUND TOWN THAT IS BEING DEFERRED BECAUSE OF THIS? I THINK WE'VE HEARD MAINTENANCE OR WHAT I THINK WE COULD BE DOING A BETTER JOB AT IT. AND IF WE, IF WE CUT THAT CREW LOOSE TO BE DOING IT, WE'D BE ON TOP OF THINGS QUICKER AND THEY WOULDN'T DETERIORATE AS FAST. SHANNON, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE COST FOR OUTSOURCING KEEP GOING TOWARDS THE END? I THINK I KNOW WHICH ONE YOU WANT. NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR HER THIS ONE HERE OR THIS ONE. SO I, SO ON THE CWD PROPOSAL FOR THE 107,040, UM, ONE OF THE CONS WAS POTENTIALLY A LOWER LEVEL OF SERVICE. I'M WONDERING IF ON THIS OPTION WE COULD, UM, I'M JUST, I'M NOT SAYING I'M RECOMMENDING THIS. I'M JUST ASKING IF WE DID THIS OPTION. IF THE TOWN NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING, IN [00:30:01] ADDITION TO WHAT THEY WERE DOING, WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION OR WOULD THE STREET MAINTENANCE GUYS BE REALLOCATED TO OTHER WORK? WELL, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IF WE OUTSOURCE THIS, THERE'LL BE THOSE THOSE EDGE CASES WHERE WE'RE STILL GOING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND WE WOULD GO OUT AND TAKE CARE OF IT. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. WHAT WE WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH IS IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING SPLIT. SO YOU, WE HIRED CWD TO MAKE A PASS OF THE TOWN ONCE A WEEK. AND THEN WE WOULD BE ON DEMAND WOULD BE HARD TO SCHEDULE WORK. THEN IF WE'RE HAVING TO RESPOND TO THOSE TYPES OF ON DEMAND CALLS AND WE DON'T HAVE PRICING TO DO THAT, EITHER WITH CWD, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND TALK TO THEM, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ADVANTAGE WE WOULD GET BY DOING IT THAT WAY. SO DO WE, AS, IS THERE A SENSE OF IF WE WERE TO GO TO THIS NEW, NEW, THIS PROPOSED PLAN, UM, AND THE CWD THEY CAME THROUGH THERE AT THE REGULAR TIME PLUS ONE. SO TWO TIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CURRENT TREND? I MEAN, ARE THEY GOING OUT, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, THE STREET MAINTENANCE GUYS NOW, I MEAN, WHAT'S HOW MUCH OF A RADICAL CHANGE WOULD THE, WOULD THIS BE THREE DAYS A WEEK OUT THERE DOING THIS RIGHT NOW ON AVERAGE? SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE. SHANNON, BUT KEVIN ARTS, I'M HEARING YOU, I'M SORRY. WE'RE DOING THAT TWO TO THREE DAYS PER WEEK ON AVERAGE RIGHT NOW. SO 2.5 DAYS A WEEK. SO HALF A DAY, MORE THAN WHAT SEEDED MEDIA IS PROPOSING, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO OUTSOURCE. IT SEEMS MORE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE. IF WE CAN REPURPOSE THE STREET MAINTENANCE WORKERS AND SAVE THE TOWN JUST IN THE, THE SAVINGS COLUMN. QUITE A BIT. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO COMPROMISE THEIR QUALITY OF SERVICE OR THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICES. SO I'M, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT, UM, THE RISK INVOLVED IN DOING THE CWD PROPOSED PROPOSAL AND, YOU KNOW, REDUCING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE TO RESIDENTS, ALWAYS, UH, LAURIE, TO ME, UM, THIS IS KIND OF AN EASY DECISION FOR ME AND THAT I THINK WE NEED TO GO TO, TO DEDICATED, UH, STAFF, PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST DOING THIS, UM, AND GET THE, GET THE, THE BULK AND THE BRUSH PICK UP ON A REGULAR BASIS LIKE ARE NOW. AND, UM, AND, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN COST IS, SEEMS MINIMAL. PWD. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION ON SHANNON ON THE, ON THE COST, THE ANNUAL COST OF ONE 20 FOR THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, DOES THAT, IS THAT A FULL PACKAGE WITH BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING? YES, IT IS. I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THE YEAR ONE WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE POSSIBLE YOUR, THE EQUIPMENT, THE TRUCK FOREMENS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WITH THE ONGOING COST IS ABOUT 120,000 AND THAT'S FULLY LOADED FOLK WE'RE REALLY DOING WITH THIS. IF WE DO IT, IF I'M THINKING OF IT CORRECTLY, IS WE'RE NOT IMPACTING REALLY THE LEVEL OF BULK AND BRUSH COLLECTION. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT IN BACK OUR FTES FOR STREET MAINTENANCE, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED THAT EXTRA RESOURCE FOR STREET MAINTENANCE? AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT MIGHT LIKE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING TO DO. LOOKING AT STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. SHANNON. I HAVE A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, IF WE ALSO ASKED TO SEE THE VILLE DE INCUR A HUNDRED, $7,040 ANNUAL COST, DOES THE POWER PAY FOR IT? RIGHT? THAT'S A DECISION FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE, I BELIEVE OUR BUDGET. WE DON'T PASS THE COST BASED ON FOUR 46 PER RESIDENCE MAYOR, BUT DON'T CHARGE THE RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S IN MY, IN THE, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. IT COST, IT MAKES AN ALLOWANCE FOR, TO COVER THE COST OF THOSE ADDITIONAL FTES BECAUSE IN MY BUDGET, THE TWO ADDITIONAL FTES ARE IN THERE. SO TO PAY FOR THOSE TWO FTES [00:35:02] THE QUESTION WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE A FEE TO COVER THAT HOLE CAN BAIT THE BULL CAN BRUSH PICKUP. SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE HOW MUCH OF THE FEE DO WE WANT TO, HOW MUCH OF THAT COST DO WE WANT TO RECOVER THROUGH THAT FEE? WE WANT TO RECOVER THE FULL COST AMOUNTS, OR DO WE WANT TO RE UH, UM, UH, RECOVER A PORTION OF THAT? THE BUDGET I HAVE PROPOSED RIGHT NOW PROPOSES THAT THE FEE COVERS THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE COST WE WOULD PASS? YES. AND SO WE WOULD PASS ON THAT COST ON THE, TO THE RESIDENTS ON THE UTILITY, ON THEIR, A SALT OR THEIR, THEIR TRASH. SO, BUT, BUT SO, BUT, UM, THE, THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST THAN EXISTS NOW IS $7 AND 17 CENTS. IS THAT WHAT I SAW? SO EITHER OF THE TWO FULL TIME OR THEY OUTSOURCED TO CWD, UH, WOULD BE A NET SAVINGS FOR THE RESIDENTS. ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE $7 AND 17 CENTS IS COST AND WE'RE INCURRING TODAY AND NOT PASSING ONTO THE RESIDENTS $20,000 IS NEW COSTS THAT WE WOULD EITHER PASS ON TO THE RESIDENTS OR SOME PORTION THERE. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT LEADS ME TO SAY BOTTOM LINE. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED THE EXTRA RESOURCES FOR STREET MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE COST THAT WE'RE ADDING. THAT'S THE KEY QUESTION I HAVE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT I SEEMS TO ME THAT WE DO NEED THOSE RESOURCES FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, BUT WEST, CAN YOU PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT AS FAR AS, I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE STREET MAINTENANCE, AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS GIVING THE, THE STREET MAINTENANCE, UH, TIME WORKERS, TIME BACK TO THE TOWN? YEAH. YEAH. MY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS VIA SURVEYS, UH, THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, STREET MAINTENANCE IS A PRIORITY. WE HAVE AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT, UH, THAT, THAT INCLUDES PROACTIVELY TAKING CARE OF OUR ASSETS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REBUILD EVERYTHING TO, TO, TO REPLACE IT. WE CAN EXTEND THE LIFE OF THINGS BY TAKING CARE OF IT, PUTTING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT FULL TIME, ENGAGED FULL TIME IN THAT EFFORT IS GOING TO HELP US PROACTIVELY ADDRESS THINGS. UM, AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO TAKE CARE OF STREETS AND THEN ALLOW IT WOULD ALLOW THE OTHER, UH, EMPLOYEES TO TAKE CARE OF THE BULK AND BRUSH EFFORT. DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. AND SO BOTH OF THE BOTTOM TWO OPTIONS WITH THE TOWN PROVIDED FULL TIME EMPLOYEES AND THE CWD PROPOSAL PROPOSAL FOR OUTSOURCING, UH, WOULD GIVE BACK THE STREET MAINTENANCE WORKERS TO DEDICATE THEMSELVES TO STREET MAINTENANCE. THAT'S CORRECT, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ADDED COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UH, THAT YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT BOTH OF THOSE ARE OKAY, BUT, BUT, BUT THE, BUT IF THE COUNCIL SAYS, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO, WE WANT, WE WANT THE GENERAL FUND TO ABSORB PART OF THIS. THEN THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT CAN BE HAD FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT TO SAY, LOOK, WE, WE, WE, WE, THE TOWN, WE WANT THE GENERAL FUND TO ABSORB THE FULL, UH, BURDEN OF THIS. UM, SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED. WE WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL $120,000 IN EXPENDITURES THAT ARE NOT COVERED AT THIS POINT TO THE BUDGET. OR DO WE WANT TO RECOVER? WE WANT TO GET A REVENUE THAT PAYS FOR THIS SERVICE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE IMPACT OF ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WHAT IT IS TODAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I VERY, DON'T LIKE TO HIRE MORE STAFF THAT IS THIS SPECIALIST SITUATION RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY THROWING COSTS. IT'S NOT JUST THIS YEAR. IT WAS JUST BUDGET A YEAR IN THE FUTURE. SO, UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED ADDISON WAY OF SERVICE, UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE CREW SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN COLLECTING THIS. THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. SO, UH, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT TO CWT, I CAN FORESEE THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. THEN THE OTHER THING IS THIS TIME, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING TO HIRE MORE TOWN STAFF. YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE MORE AND MORE STEPS. YOU'LL NEVER REDUCE [00:40:01] THE STAFF THEN DOING THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, AND LOUD LOT OF DOWNTIME. I MEAN, I'M AN ALL SUGGESTING IT. SO I WOULD RATHER GO WITH CURRENT OPERATIONS. THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. WELL, I'M GOING TO LAY IN AND, AND, UH, I SHARE MARLIN'S POSITION ON THIS TO, UM, HIRE THE FULL TIME EQUIVALENT AND, UM, AND, AND FREE UP THE, UH, UH, STREET PEOPLE TO DO STREET WORK. IT'S UM, UH, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A, A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THE BUDGET, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE GOTTEN. AND AGAIN, IT'S, WE, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES ADDISON REALLY SPECIAL AND IT'S, UH, UH, WE WERE, THE RESIDENTS ARE PRETTY SPOILED HERE. AND I THINK THE, UM, IF WE WANT TO CALL IT, THE ON DEMAND TYPE THING IS, UH, REALLY SETS US APART. AND PEOPLE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THERE'S A LOT THAT DOES THAT, THAT THEY DON'T SEE, BUT, OR, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE TRASH MOVED OUT AND THE REFUGE MOVED OUT IN A TIMELY MANNER IS A BIG, BIG, BIG DEAL. AND SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, THE TOWN PROVIDED TWO TIMES TWO FTES AND, AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT BASIS. MIRROR COMMENT I WOULD OFFER, I REALLY PUSHED BACK A BUDGET SESSION ON WHETHER THESE NEEDED, IF WE NEED TO ADD TO THE RESOURCE FOR STREET MAINTENANCE, COULD WE HAVE CONTRACTORS INSTEAD OF ADDING HEAD COUNT AND THE ANSWERS FOR WHY THAT WASN'T SUGGESTED WERE TWOFOLD. AND ONE WAS THE ABILITY TO MANAGE EMPLOYEES AND IMPROVE QUALITY THROUGH THAT RELATIONSHIP AND SO ON. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, WHICH IS A NEW ONE I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE WAS THAT WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE CONTRACTORS DRIVING CITY VEHICLES LIKE TRASH VEHICLES. AND SO THEY SWAYED ME OVER TO SAYING, OKAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE STREET MAINTENANCE THAT THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN TELLS US, WE NEED TO GO WITH EMPLOYEES RATHER THAN CONTRACTORS. CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? THE, THE, THE PART ABOUT, UM, THE CONTRACTOR VEHICLES WHEN I ASK, CAUSE I WAS, I ALWAYS CHALLENGED WHENEVER WE'RE CONSIDERING ADDING HEAD COUNT, WHY WE WOULDN'T USE CONTRACTORS, JUST BECAUSE I NEVER LIKED TO HIRE PEOPLE. AND THEN IN THE DOWNSTAIR AND LAY THEM OFF, I ALWAYS RESIST THAT. AND THE ANSWER WAS THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT CONTRACTORS DRIVING OUR VEHICLES. WE WOULD RATHER HAVE EMPLOYEES. IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THOSE VEHICLES TO RUN THEM, WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO, BECAUSE IT'S A TEAM IT'S A LITTLE MORE, IT'S A LITTLE STRONGER THAN THAT. WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO USE OUR VEHICLES THAT AFRAID THAT WAS THE JOKE. AND THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO CONTRACT EMPLOYEES, NOT NECESSARILY CONTRACT OR DOING THE ENTIRE SERVICE, RIGHT. SO THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T RELATE TO THE CWD PROPOSAL TO OUTSOURCE. SO I, I AM, I AM I'M AGAINST HIRING ADDITIONAL FULL TIME EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA FOR THE REASONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. I AGREE WITH, UH, PAUL'S COMMENT ABOUT HOW THE RESIDENTS AND ABOUT HOW OUR CULTURE, UM, AND ADDISON, UH, VALUES CLEAN STREETS. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT AT A DISCOUNTED RATE, UH, WITH CWD AND IF SOMETHING GOES EVEN WORSE THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVING WITH THE PANDEMIC, WE COULD, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, CUT THE SERVICE OFF EASILY AND IT WOULD SAVE US, UM, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MUCH THIS $13,000 HERE AND AT FURTHERMORE, I THINK WE COULD ALSO, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TOWN OR THE RESIDENTS PAY FOR ALL OF IT, UH, WE, WE COULD, WE COULD SPLIT IT AND WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, OFF, WE COULD SHARE THIS, THE EXPENSE AND COVER, COVER THE, THE TASK. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, UH, REMOVING BRUSH AND BULK AND GET DONE AT A, AT A SAVINGS. AND I JUST SEE IT MORE AS A WIN, WIN SITUATION INSTEAD OF BRINGING ON TWO MORE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES AFTER WE JUST FOR A LOAD EIGHT EMPLOYEES, WE WERE IN THE ERA OF COVID, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. CAN WE CHANGE THIS LESS? WOULD WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY IF WE DON'T DO THIS NOW TO RENEGOTIATE THIS THAN A YEAR, [00:45:01] MAYBE IF THE ENVIRONMENT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, YOU'RE ASKING WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD CONSIDER THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR, RIGHT? THAT, YEAH, IT IS, IT IS CERTAINLY POSSIBLE. IF WE, IF WE DID THAT, THEN WE WOULD BE CHOOSING DOOR NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE CURRENT SITUATION, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. WE ARE THE MAJORITY OF OUR STREETS, UH, MAINTENANCE WORKERS TIME WOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE BULK AND BRUSH PICKUP AS OPPOSED TO STREET MAINTENANCE. I HAVE A STRONG PREFERENCE TO GET THOSE STREET MAINTENANCE WORKERS DOING OTHER THINGS BESIDES PICKING UP TRASH I'M THERE ARE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THEY COULD BE DOING. YEAH. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF WE CHANGE THIS, YOUR PHONE'S GOING TO RING OFF THE WALL. AND SO IS MINE BECAUSE OF THE COST, BUT NO, NOT BECAUSE OF THE COST BECAUSE OF, OF THE DIMUNITION IN SERVICE OF YOU MEAN, YOU MEAN THE PHONE'S GOING TO RING BECAUSE OF THE PERCEIVED, UH, DECREASE IN SERVICE. AYE, AYE. I, THIS, THIS IS A DIMUNITION IN SERVICE. WHAT, HOW, HOW SO? WELL, I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THE PROS AND CONS IT'S THAT AREN'T PEOPLE DOING IT. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR YOU'RE CREEPING MORE LIKE SOMETHING THAT DALLAS DOES OR SOMETHING THAT DID OTHER CITIES DO. WELL, WE'RE NOT LIKE OTHER CITIES AND, AND THIS IS A REAL SPECIAL, IT'S A REAL SPECIAL THING THAT, THAT, THAT PEOPLE AND THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, I HEAR, OH, THE FIRST THING I TOLD MY NEIGHBOR WHEN THEY MOVED HERE IS ABOUT THE TRASH PICKUP. I AGREE. I AGREE. I AGREE WITH THAT. SO IF WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IT WITH THE OUTSOURCE, THEN I WOULD RATHER STAY WHERE WE ARE AND REEVALUATE NEXT YEAR, THEN BITE OFF TWO FULL TIME EMPLOYEES AT A, AT A COST OF $120,000 ANNUALLY. I JUST THINK IT'S A BAD TIME TO ADD EMPLOYEES FULL TIME TOO. SO SHANNON, IF, IF WE GO WITH THE SLIDE THAT YOU'RE ON, SO WE WOULD GO WITH THE CWB D PROPOSED AND, AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE SERVICES FROM CURRENT TOWN EMPLOYEES. CORRECT. SO WOULD YOU, AGAIN, REMIND WHAT THAT SERVICE LEVEL WOULD BE? WOULD IT BE CWD MAKING A PASS ONCE A WEEK AND ONCE MORE OR EXACTLY HOW WOULD THE PIECES FIT TOGETHER? SO ON THURSDAYS, I THINK THAT'S THE PROPOSED DAY RIGHT NOW, CW DO, THEY WOULD DO A SWEEP OF THE ENTIRE TOWN AND PICK UP ANY BULK AND UNBUNDLED BRUSH UP TO 15 CUBIC YARDS PER RESIDENCE. ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SCHEDULED ON THE OTHER FIXED DAY, WHICH IS, I THINK SCHEDULE PROPOSED RIGHT NOW ON MONDAYS WITH YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE BASICALLY TWO DAYS, MONDAY OR THURSDAY, THURSDAY WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC PICKUP, BUT MONDAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO CALL FOR PICKUP TO HAVE IT SCHEDULED. AND SHANNON, DID YOU SAY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT CREWS OUT TWO TO THREE DAYS A WEEK. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. TWO, THREE DAYS A WEEK, THE ENTIRE CREW. AND SO WITH CWD THEN WITH THE, WITH THE STREET MAINTENANCE FOLKS DISCONTINUE, PICKING UP, OR WOULD THEY ALSO DO THAT ON REQUEST THAT I WOULD BE WITH THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED AS THEY WOULD NO LONGER DO THAT? THE ONLY TIME THEY WOULD EVER RESPOND WOULD BE SOME WEIRD EDGE CASE THAT HAD TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AND CWD, COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT. WE WOULD STILL TAKE CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS. AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN A BE A HANDFUL OF TIMES A YEAR, I WOULD GUESS. SO ONCE AGAIN, UNDERSTOOD. THIS WOULD BE EXCLUSIVELY CWD THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD FRAME, HEY SHANNON. I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW. SO IF, IF, IF I HAVE SOME, OKAY, SO THURSDAY IS A, IF WE WENT WITH CW, D THURSDAY WOULD BE A FIXED DAY, BUT THEN IF I WAS PUTTING OUT BULK, UM, SOME OTHER DAY THAN THURSDAY, THEN I WOULD NEED TO CALL THEM OR ON DEMAND. AND THEN THAT DAY WOULD BE FIXED UNTIL MAYBE MONDAY. THAT'S TRUE. IT WOULD BE A FIXED DAY OTHER THAN ONE OF THE EXISTING TRASH DAYS, WHICH ARE, I DON'T REMEMBER. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE MONDAY RIGHT NOW, WHATEVER DAY WE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH THEM. IT WOULD BE A FIXED DAY PER WEEK WOULD BE THE SCHEDULED CALLS. IT MEETS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE 48 HOUR CALL OUT WINDOW THAT WE HAVE. NOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP SOMETIMES, BUT IT'S NOT AS FLEXIBLE [00:50:01] AS, AS WHAT WE PROVIDE NOW. SO WE WON'T BE IN A CERTAIN TIME SOMETIMES. YEAH. I WOULDN'T SAY I'LL DO IT. IT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO CALL IN FOR THE, THEY CAN DO THAT. THEY CAN USE THE APP, THEY COULD DO ONLINE REQUEST. I'M USING THE WORD CALL IN. THEY'D NEED TO, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO TELL YOU THAT PEOPLE PROVIDE NOTICE, UH, FOR, FOR THEIR TRASH TO GET PICKED UP LIKE THIS. I DON'T, I DON'T QUITE SEE IT VERY OFTEN. THE GREATEST PARKS IN EDISON IS RESIDENTS CAN USE AS A CLUB FOR JUST $10 MEMBER FEE THEN FOR, FOR GOOD FOR LIFE. AND THEN THE OTHER SERVICE IS THE BOOK AND BUNDLED THE BRUSH PICKUP. SO WE HAVE HEARD SO MANY, MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS, AND I DON'T WANT THE RESIDENTS TO PAY FOR IT. YOU KNOW, CITY ALREADY TAKE CARE OF THAT ALL OF THIS MANY YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. AND ALSO THEY ARE ON DEMAND. WHENEVER PEOPLE CALL, THEY EITHER PICK UP THE NEXT DAY OR DAY AFTER WE ALREADY EFFICIENT AND UNDERSTAND THE SHANNON TALK ABOUT DAYS SPENT TWO AND A HALF DAYS WE'LL PICK UP, BUT THEY HAVE DONE NUMBER ONE JOB. AND ALSO THIS YEAR, I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO SEE, WE HIRE MORE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND SOME STAFF WALK AT ALL FACE. SOME PEOPLE WILL GET A HOME, BUT IT'S HARD TO GAUGE THAT EFFICIENCY, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I LOVE OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, IT'S NOT RIGHT TIME. WE CAN CONSIDER THIS MAYBE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. YEAH. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM TOO. UM, AND GQ. OKAY. WELL, I DON'T LIKE THE, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF HIRING SOME NEW PEOPLE. I MEAN, MY, MY ONLY, BUT IF WE, BUT IF STAFF SAYS OR THINKS THAT WE NEED THAT EXTRA TWO AND A HALF DAYS BASICALLY WORTH OF THE STREETS DEPARTMENT DOING STREET MAINTENANCE, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THEM, BUT I WOULD SAY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING, I WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE A LOT HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE IN REGARDS TO OUR STREET MAINTENANCE AND OUR SIDEWALKS. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY KNOW WHAT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT GOES, IS IT JUST STREETS OR IS IT STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE ALL THAT LANDS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE BASICALLY DOUBLING UP ON OUR STREET MAINTENANCE, I WOULD ASSUME AT THAT POINT, EVERYBODY IN TOWN IS GONNA GONNA TAKE NOTICE OF THAT OR WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. AND IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO SHOW UP IN AN EXTRA LEVEL OF SERVICE REGARDING THE STREETS. THEN I WOULD SAY, LEAVE IT THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW. AND YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. SO THAT REALLY IS THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, HOW BADLY DO WE NEED THAT RESOURCE, BUT LET'S CONSIDER, I MEAN, LET'S CONSIDER WHAT WE, WHAT WE WRESTLED WITH LAST YEAR WITH THE PARKS AND ADDING FTS AND WHAT WAS THE REPORT THAT JANET GAVE US AT THE BUDGET RETREAT, YOU KNOW, GLOWING REPORTS, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE EFFICIENT, UM, THE PLANTINGS OUT ON TIME OR EARLY. AND SO WE GET A MORE FULL, UM, SEASON OF GROWING IF YOU WILL. I MEAN, I'M SEEING THESE PLANTS THAT, THAT HAPPENED TO BE IN MY AREA THAT, UH, UH, THEY GOT PLANTED EARLY. HECK THOSE THINGS ARE GOING CRAZY. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT BLOOMS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT KINDS OF BLOOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY GOT PLANTED AT THE OPTIMAL TIME RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE WRESTLED WITH ALL THIS LAST YEAR AND WE LISTENED TO JANET AND, AND, AND BASED UPON HER, HER EXPECTATION OF, OF, OF BETTER SERVICE AND BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS IN A TIMELY MANNER. WELL, IT'S THE SAME QUESTION HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT IT'S STREETS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DEFER AS TOM SUGGESTS THAT IF, IF SHANNON WAS TELLING US THAT, THAT, UH, UH, THIS IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, THEN LET'S, LET'S GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THAT WAS WELL PUT, [00:55:01] OF COURSE WE'RE HAVING CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW. UH, AS FAR AS A COVID IS CONCERNED AND MAKING DECISION AND BRINGING PEOPLE ON AND THEN NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN THEM. BUT, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, ARE FORTUNATELY, WE'RE HERE IN ADDISON. WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE HAD THIS CONSERVATIVE, UH, THIS CONSERVATIVE MINDSET OF FISCAL BEING FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE. WE WE'VE, WE'VE LEANED ON OUR RESIDENTS IN THE PAST. THEY'VE, THEY'VE STEPPED UP TO THE LINE CAUSE WE'VE ASKED THEM TO. AND, UH, NOW THE TIMES ARE A LITTLE TOUGH. IT'S THE RAINY DAY, AND THIS IS WHEN WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RAINY DAY OF OUR RAINY DAY FUNDS. I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT PAIN. SOME OF THE, SOME OF THIS, UH, COSTS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, SOME REDUCTIONS IN THE, UH, IN THE, UH, ACCEPTABLE REVENUES. BUT, UM, UH, WE IT'S BEEN PROVEN THAT OUR, OUR CITY MANAGER, UH, GONNA MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS WHEN HE NEEDS TO. I DON'T DOUBT THAT, UH, SO HESITANTLY, UH, BRING, BRING THE RECOMMEND BRINGING TWO ON, BUT IF, IF, IF OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT IS TELLING US THAT THESE TWO COULD ADD TO THE BOTTOM LINE BECAUSE OF THEIR EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT INTO THE OTHER COSTS, UH, THE OTHER COSTS THAT I, WHAT AM I TRYING TO THINK WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR TIME AND SAVE, SAVE SOME MONEY WORKING ON, ON, UM, ASSETS THAT DON'T DEGRADE AS FAST BECAUSE WE CAN PUT THEM ON THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM LESS AND LESS. I DUNNO, I JUST, FOR ME, KIND OF WHERE I'M LANDING AFTER, AFTER THE CONVERSATION AND LISTENING AS I JUST HAVE NO APPETITE, UM, TO SPEND, TO SPEND MONEY, BE IT FROM THE RAINY DAY FUNDS OR, OR WHEREVER, UM, I WOULD PREFER TO STAY WHERE WE ARE, UM, AND SAVE THE MONEY. WELL, I'M GONNA I'M BETWEEN THE TWO I REALLY WANTED IS TO NOT ADD A RECURRING COST, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH ADDING FTES. IF THERE WERE A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE CONTRACT EMPLOYEES SO THAT THIS WERE NOT A RECURRING COSTS THAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO, AND WE COULD FUND IT OUT OF OUR FUND BALANCE AND HENCE WE COULD STAY FOR A YEAR IF IT REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DOABLE. I WOULD LIKE THAT IDEA. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF THESE THREE OPTIONS, A 10 99 CONTRACTORS, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OUTSOURCING TO CWD I'M TALKING ABOUT NUMBER TWO ON THE CHART ONLY INSTEAD OF TWO FTES, IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE CONTRACTORS SO THAT IT'S NOT A RECURRING ITEM IN THE TAX RATE, BUT RATHER A ONE TIME EXPENSE AND TEST IT FOR A YEAR AND SEE IF IN FACT IT MAY, NOPE. THAT'S WORKABLE. I'VE BEEN IN YOUR, IN YOUR THOUGHT OR YOU, OR THAT YOU THINK, AND THEY'RE DRIVING AROUND IN ADDISON LOGO. WELL, THAT'S CROSSING THE BACK A BIT TO US TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT DOABLE? CAUSE IF IT'S ABSOLUTELY THE WRONG THING FROM A LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, THEN IT'S A NO GO LIKE THE CURRENT OPERATIONS AND WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR AND THAT YOU, I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIRING MORE STAFF AND THE REOCCURRING EXPENSES. AND I, AND I DON'T BELIEVE FOR THIS BOOK, PICK UP KIM PROVIDE EDISON WAYS. SO IF THEY DON'T PICK UP, THEN ALL STAFF STILL NEED TO GO PICK UP. SO THERE'S NO CLEAR BOUNDARY BETWEEN D AND ALL EMPLOYEES. THEY END UP, YOU'LL EXPECT YOU TO SAVE MONEY. AND NUMBER ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE ADDISON WAY PEOPLE COME PLANT, AND THEN YOU DON'T ACTUALLY SAVE THAT MUCH MONEY. SO I JUST FEEL LIKE FOR THE TIME BEING THIS YEAR WAS STAY WITH THE CURRENT OPERATION. YEAH. AND ALSO WE DON'T CHARGE THE RESIDENTS FOR, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN USE, UM, COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE 10 99 EMPLOYEES. IT'S NOT JUST DRIVING AROUND IN A PICKUP TRUCK WITH AN ADDISON LOGO ON IT. THE TRUCK ON YOUR SCREEN IS A GRAPPLE TRUCK. THAT'S WHAT WE USE TO PICK UP THE BRUSH, THOSE CONTRACTOR EMPLOYEES. THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN HIRE PEOPLE TO OPERATE THAT, TRAIN THEM, KEEP THEM AROUND. I WAS AFRAID [01:00:01] I WAS AFRAID THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE INPUT. SO I HAVE BEEN KNOWING THAT, WHERE DO YOU STAND? I WOULD WAIT A YEAR. I, I WRESTLED WITH THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE SKATES ARE SO IMPORTANT AND I WOULD LIKE TO FREE UP THE RESOURCE, BUT I LOOK AT HOW MUCH THE TAX RATES IS INCREASING. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENT, THIS JUST MAY NOT BE THE YEAR. I, I I'M, I'M, UH, ONE OF THE THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT THE TRACK RECORD THAT CWD HAS WITH THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH THE TOWN WEIGHS IN, UM, WITH ME, I THINK THEY'VE DONE A FINE JOB, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN A FINE JOB IF WE OUTSOURCED, UM, OUTSOURCE THIS. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING AT THE BEGINNING WITH. UM, WE'VE DEVELOPED A GOOD LEVEL OF TRUST. SO IT'S JUST GOING TO, IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF CHANGING THE CULTURE OF, UM, PEOPLE GETTING USED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE SET DAY AND CALLING IN. SO WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME FOLKS PICKING UP OUR BULK AND BRUSH THAT ARE NOT, UH, NOT OUR STREET PEOPLE. AND I THINK WE WOULD END UP SAVING SOME MONEY THAT WAY. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. SO WE'RE WAITING FOR TOM TO DECIDE THAT. IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. YEAH. LOOK, YOU MAYBE DECIDE FOR YOU. YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE LAST REMAINING VOTE YOU JUST GAVE THOMAS SUPER VOTE, NOT VOTING FOR THIS INSANE DIRECTIONAL ITEM. IT'S JUST HARD. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, WITHOUT I'M KIND OF A NUMBERS PERSON. SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY WITHOUT SEEING WHAT OTHER WORK THAT OUR CURRENT CREW WOULD GET DONE AND WHAT HAS BEEN DEFERRED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS WELL, TRASH PICKUP. I KNOW THERE'S STUFF ON THERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? IF WE WAIT ONE YEAR, THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO QUANTIFY THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND IF WE'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THAT OUR STREETS GUYS WOULD BE DOING, THAT'S CALLED FOR RIGHT NOW. AND I WOULD, THEN I WOULD AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO FREE THOSE GUYS UP. I DON'T WANT, I DON'T HAVE A FIELD FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T, I'M NOT GETTING THAT ANSWER THAT I'M LOOKING FOR. SO I'M CLEAR IN COUNSEL, IF I MAY, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT ANYBODY'S CONVERSATION, BUT I'D LIKE, I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, SO I'M WILLING TO WAIT UNTIL EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SPOKEN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW THAT I WAS, I WAS READY TO CHIME IN WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF. I THINK WE'RE READY. OKAY. UM, WELL, I, I HAVE, I'M SORRY, WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION THAT, UH, MAKE PEOPLE COMFORTABLE WITH MAKING THIS DECISION, UM, WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING SPECIFIC DATA IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK WITH A, WITH FULL CONFIDENCE THAT WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR OUR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. AND WE KNOW THAT FROM AN ADA STANDPOINT, WE KNOW THAT FROM JUST A NORMAL STANDPOINT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT OVER TIME. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA FIX IT OVERNIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S UM, AND I MENTIONED THAT THIS, THIS PAST WEEK AT THE BUDGET WORK SESSION, IT'S A 20 MILE MARCH. STEP-BY-STEP RIGHT, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES TO WHAT WE BELIEVE IS BEING COMMUNICATED TO STAFF AS THE PRIORITIES WE'VE MADE THIS PROPOSAL, WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL ALLOWS US TO BETTER UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. AND IT ALLOWS US TO MAINTAIN THE HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS EXPECTED FROM ADDISON RESIDENTS RELATED TO BOLT AND TRASH PICKUP. IF WE WANT BOTH, WE NEED TO BE WILLING TO PAY FOR [01:05:01] BOTH. IF WE CAN'T PAY FOR BOTH, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE A CHOICE ONE OR THE OTHER, AND THEN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, NOT FROM AN EMPLOYEE STANDPOINT, BUT WHAT DO WE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO, TO, TO, UM, UH, OTHERWISE FOR EXAMPLE, DO WE, THIS LAST YEAR WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON, UM, CONTRACT. WE GOT A INDEFINITE ID IQ CONTRACT WITH, UH, WITH A CONTRACT THIS THEN A LOT OF CONCRETE WORK FOR US. SO IF WE CAN'T DO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOWN STUFF, DO WE PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM A CONTRACT STANDPOINT, UH, ADDING THAT TO THEIR LIST AND STILL GETTING THINGS DONE? UM, THAT'S POSSIBLE. IT WOULD, I BELIEVE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, UH, BECAUSE OF, OF, OF THE W BUT, BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE, THE, THE IQ CONTRACT, THE INDEFINITE DURATION INDEFINITE QUANTITY CONTRACT IS THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE PRICES ARE, SO WE CAN PLAN FOR THAT, RIGHT? IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO INTERNALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO DO THAT. AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING WE CAN DO, I WOULD SAY ON A, UH, ON A, ON A ONE TIME BASIS WITHOUT HAVING ANY ISSUES, BUT ON AN ONGOING BASIS, YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH THIS HIGH LEVEL OF TRASH SERVICE AND THEN EXPECT THE STREETS CREWS TO TAKE CARE OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON THE STREETS AT THE SAME TIME SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE. SO IF THE COUNCIL IS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ADDING FTES, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE, WHAT WE PRESENTED AS A PROPOSAL TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH COUNCIL PRIORITIES IN A WAY TO PAY FOR. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH AT THIS TIME. WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK IN THE FUTURE AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. UM, MAINE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR. MAYBE THEY'RE NOT, UH, BUT WE WON'T STOP COMMUNICATING WHAT WE AS STAFF NEED IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE PRIORITIES THAT COUNCIL SETS FOR US. UH, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR, UM, AND THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A CLASSIC POLICY, UH, DECISION, UH, CONUNDRUM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT AM I, WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO PAY FOR OR NOT, WHAT'S THE PRIORITY AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO FOCUS ON? THAT'S VERY WELL PUT WEST. AND I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF USING SOME OF THE, I DON'T HAVE THE ACRONYMS DOWN THE ID, WHATEVER THAT IS THE IQ. I'M SORRY. YEAH. I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THAT FOR A YEAR, WHICH MAY ALSO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT TOM HAS ASKED AS TO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE AND WOULD SUPPORT THE DECISION NEXT YEAR, WHERE IT WOULD SUPPORT THE DECISION PROCESS NEXT YEAR, WOULD IT, AND I, THIS, AND I'M ASKING, CAN YOU CAN, SHANNON, CAN YOU EXPLAIN MORE ON THE CURRENT PROCESS? DO YOU RESIDENT, WHEN RESIDENTS CALL IN, IS IT JUST EQUALLY SPREAD OUT OVER FIVE DAYS? IS IT JUST LIKE A POPCORN EFFECT WHEN THEY CALL IN AND REQUEST PICK UP? IT IS IT'S IT'S. I IMAGINE IF YOU LOOKED AT IT AS PROBABLY MORE LEAN TOWARDS THE FRONT AND THE BACK END OF THE WEEK, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WHEN PEOPLE DO THINGS, BUT IT'S JUST KINDA ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO THE REASON FOR THE QUESTION IS IF, IF THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, UH, ENDED UP BEING, UH, TO NOT, YOU KNOW, HIRE ADDITIONAL FULL TIME EMPLOYEES OR DO THE, THE OUTSOURCING FOR, FOR THIS YEAR AND, AND MAY OR MAY NOT BE, BUT, UH, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR A MANAGEMENT FOR YOU, FOR YOU TO SOMEHOW? UM, SO WITH CWD, THEY'RE SAYING ONE DAY PLUS A COLLIN DAY, IS THERE SOME KIND OF A THING THAT THE TOWN COULD DO TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE DAYS WE DO IT, EXCEPT FOR SAY, YOU KNOW, WHICHEVER DAY, AND THAT DAY WOULD BE ALLOCATED FOR THE STREET MAINTENANCE WORKERS THAT WE NEED TO DO OTHER THINGS TO BE REPURPOSED AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LET, LET, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THIS ONE DAY A WEEK, WE NEED TO USE THE RESOURCES FOR THIS PURPOSE AND KIND OF DO A, YOU KNOW, MODIFY, MODIFIED SERVICE. AND IT WAS THERE ONE DAY A WEEK THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT WEDNESDAYS THAT, THAT THE LEAST NUMBER OF RESIDENTS CALL IN FOR, AND JUST LET THE SERVICE, THE STREET MAINTENANCE GUYS DO, DO THEIR OTHER STUFF. SO IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, WE WOULD SET A SPECIFIC DAY OF THE WEEK WHERE WE WOULD SWEEP THE TOWN AND PICK UP ANYTHING THAT'S BULK OR UNBUNDLED BRUSH BEHIND THE CURB, BUT ONLY ON THAT DAY OF THE WEEK, [01:10:01] NO, KIND OF THE OPPOSITE. SO WE WOULD DO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, BUT WE WOULD HAVE A BLACKOUT DAY AND THAT BLACKOUT DAY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY. I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT INTO THE WEEDS HERE ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE THIS. THE QUESTION REALLY NEEDS THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED IS DO WE WANT TO, DO WE WANT TO ADD STAFF? DO WE WANT TO CHARGE A FEE OR DO WE NOT WANT, OR DO WE WANT TO OUTSOURCE THE CWD? I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE MAINTAINING, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE HIRING STAFF TO DO WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO AND WE HIRE, OR WE DON'T HIRE STAFF, AND WE DO WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, THAT SERVICE. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. I ALWAYS SUGGEST THIS YEAR, WHICH HAS A CUBA, THE WAY WITH YOU, CURRENT OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ABOUT TWO SETS. WE'LL REVIEW IT NEXT YEAR. YEAH. I WOULD ADD THOUGH, I'M WITH JOE AND KEEPING IT THE SAME, EXCEPT THAT I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF YOU COMING BACK AND SAYING, HERE ARE THESE STREETS MAINTENANCE OR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PROJECTS, AND THAT WE COULD OUTSOURCE SO THAT WE ALSO SUPPORT GETTING SOME OF THOSE DONE. I HATE TO INTERRUPT, BUT I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION IS MAYOR, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT WE INCLUDE IN THE CONTRACT, UM, WITH CWD THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENGAGE THEM FOR THAT THIS YEAR, BUT THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD IT AT A FUTURE DATE. THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE YET, BUT I HONESTLY, I REALLY PREFER ALL EMPLOYEES DO THIS JOB THEMSELVES BECAUSE THE CLUB FOR THE TOWN, NO, THE TOP, AND THEN THEIR PRESENCE MEANS EVERYTHING. THE OTHER THING IS FROM BEGINNING TO NOW, WE NEVER CHARGED THE RESIDENTS FOR THAT SERVICE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, I'M NOT EXPECTING WE CHARGE THAT SERVICE FONTS. SO THE NUMBER THREE IS, UM, THEY ALWAYS PROVIDE NUMBER ONE SERVICE ON DEMAND. SO AS A WELL KNOWN AND, AND HONESTLY I'M VERY SATISFIED WITH WHAT DO THEY DO? YOU KNOW? SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY NEED TO, UH, HAVE A DENTON OR SOMETHING WITH CWD FOR THIS SERVICE MAYOR. I WOULD AGREE. I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS HAVING CWD PROVIDE THE SERVICE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS, AND MAYBE IF I CAN GET, MAKE SURE I'M GETTING THIS CORRECTLY, WHERE ARE THE STAFF'S PROPOSAL IS TO GO WITH CWD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND SOUND FACILITIES, EVERYBODY. I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN OTHER AGAINST THAT. IT'S ALL BEEN FOCUSED ON THE BULK AND BRUSH, SO I DO NEED YOUR EXCELLENT. YEAH. WELL, GOOD FOR EXISTING SERVICE. YES. WHEREAS I WOULD LET, AS I EMAILED YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW IT. I WOULD JUST LOVE IT. LOVE TO SEE WHAT THE BID THE BID REQUEST WAS, BUT, BUT THAT CAN WAIT. OKAY. YOU'RE HERE. YOU WERE REFERRING TO, EVERYBODY WAS NOT SAYING ANYTHING. SO I WANTED TO SPEAK UP IN THAT REGARD SPECIFICALLY TO, UM, WHAT THE BID SAID AND, UM, HOW THAT RELATED TO, OR NOT WASTE MANAGEMENT. OKAY. SO LET ME, OKAY. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND, BUT SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE TOWN'S REC STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO CWD BEING THE ENTITY WE NEGOTIATE WITH TO FINALIZE A CONTRACT FOR RESIDENTIAL WASTE AND RECYCLING? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. NO, NO ISSUE. THERE WE GO. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR CWD TO PROVIDE THE TOWN FACILITY SERVICES? NO ISSUE. I WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT OR NOT. OKAY. AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, UH, MARLIN'S QUESTION IS RELATED TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, THE ENTITY THAT WAS NOT RESPONSIVE TO THE RFP PROCESS. SO I'LL HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GERMANE TO THE, THE CWD RECOMMENDATION. UM, [01:15:02] ALRIGHT. AND SO THEN, AS FAR AS THE VULCAN BRUSH GOES, UH, WHAT I'M HEARING IS AT THIS TIME WILL NOT, WILL NOT, WILL NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES WITH HOW THAT SERVICE IS PROVIDED OR PAID FOR, BUT THERE'S INTEREST IN THIS SECOND PART. I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, GUIDANCE ON BECAUSE I'VE ONLY HEARD, UH, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO IT. YOU'D LIKE US AS STAFF TO, UM, COME BACK WITH A, UM, POTENTIAL WORK PLAN FOR THE UTILIZATION OF OUR INDEFINITE DURATION, INDEFINITE QUANTITY CONTRACT, TO SEE IF WE CAN COVER ADDITIONAL STREET MAINTENANCE ITEMS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. HEY, WES, WOULD, I, WOULD I HEARD WAS, UH, THREE OF US WANTED TO GO WITH THE TWO FTS AND THREE OF US WANTED TO STICK WITH, UH, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT PLAN AND TOM NEEDED MORE INFORMATION TO DECIDE WHETHER TO DO THE CURRENT OR THE TWO FTS. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. OKAY, TOM, YOU PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RIGHT. AGAIN, I WOULD, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO TRUST WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR PEOPLE ARE SAYING. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I KIND OF LIKED THE IDEA OF A SEEMS LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT DID THE, WHAT, WHAT MAINTENANCE STUFF ON SOME ADA STUFF THAT WE CONTRACTED OUT ON GRANTED WE'RE PAYING A PREMIUM, BUT NO SEEMED LIKE THEY DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB. I THINK IT WAS BOWMAN CONSTRUCTION OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, THAT WE HAD THAT CONTRACT WITH. AND YES, BOWMAN IS DEFINITELY NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THAT AGAIN FOR A YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, AND KEEPING THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE AND NOT ADDING THE FTES. IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY WE CAN, WE CAN, WE COULD PURSUE THAT IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL AND COME BACK AS PART OF OUR GOOD, THIS WITNESS WILL HAVE SOME SLIGHT ALTERATIONS TO OUR BUDGET, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING, I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK AND EXPLAIN THAT TO THE COUNCIL PRIOR TO ANY DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE AND COSTS, EXCUSE ME. UM, RATHER THAN RECURRING, YES, THE CONTRACT, THE ID IQ CONTRACT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A ONETIME, UH, EXPENDITURE VERSUS A NON, AN ONGOING CONTRACT, OR EXCUSE ME, ONGOING EXPENDITURE. OR WAS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? WELL, I GUESS NOT, I KIND OF, YOU MENTIONED THAT PAY IN BOWMAN IS WE'RE GOING TO PAY A PREMIUM FOR THAT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND, AND, UH, THEN, THEN WE COULD, IF WE, IF, IF WE TOOK MORE OF A LONGTERM STRATEGIC POSITION ON HERE WITH THE, WITH THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, UM, SO I, I, I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THE, THE RELUCTANCE TO ADD STAFF. I I'M, I'M, I'M ALL, I'M ALL ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO WEST IS EXECUTING WHAT WE TOLD THEM TO EXECUTE AND HIS POINTS WELL TAKEN. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO BE AS PROACTIVE WITH TAKING CARE OF OUR, OUR, OUR ASSETS, THEN, YOU KNOW, W WE MADE A MISTAKE AND GIVEN HIM THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE WE WERE NOT WILLING TO FUND IT. AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO US TO SAY, OKAY, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO GO BACK TO THE STRATEGIC COLORS AND, AND ADJUST AND, AND DEGRADE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY NOT PAYING FOR THAT, SO THAT IT COMES BACK TO THAT AGAIN. AND IT'S A COST OF DOING BUSINESS Y'ALL AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE LEVEL OF SERVICES WE WANT TO PROVIDE? WHAT'S THE QUALITY OF, OF, OF MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR OUR ASSETS. THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S WHERE THE QUESTION. AND IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF CUT A LITTLE CORNER HERE AND CUT A LITTLE CORNER THERE, THEN YOU KNOW, IT JUST IT'S JUST STARTS TO FEED ON EACH OTHER. SO I, I RE I JUST RESIST THAT WHOLE NOTION OF, OF DEGRADATION, OF SERVICE, OF DEGRADATION, OF, OF RESOURCES GOING TOWARDS UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE. I RESIST THAT [01:20:02] TAMPS. THE REASON I SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MANAGER, WHICH FOR THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, WE'RE NOT WHERE IT NOT FOR COVID FOR ME. UM, I WOULD, I WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO, UM, BE IN THAT CAMP. I THINK FOR ME, THE MAIN THING IS STRATEGIC PILLARS ARE STILL INTACT. AND, AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE GAVE WAS SOUND DIRECTION, AND WE HAVE THIS LITTLE BUMP IN THE ROAD THAT, UM, THAT WE NEED TO BE PRUDENT, UH, IN RESPONDING TO. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A PRUDENT DECISION TO, UM, HOLD OFF FOR A YEAR DEPARTMENT. WHAT A HOME RUN WITH THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THAT'S THE FACT Y'ALL WERE WHERE WE WERE. WE SAID, WE WRESTLED WITH THIS LAST YEAR. AND, AND, AND, AND WE GOT GREAT RESULTS. I MEAN, GREAT RESULTS JUST BECAUSE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I SUGGEST THAT WE, THAT WE TRUST THEM AGAIN WITH THAT. AND TOM, I THINK THAT, THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, UH, UH, POSITION EASIER IN, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD HERE TO, TO BE ABLE TO YOU YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU ALREADY SAID YOU WANT TO TRUST THE STAFF. WHAT TRUST THEM, DOES ANYBODY HERE THINK THAT WEST IS GOING TO BE FRIVOLOUS OR, OR WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, WITH WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, PAUL DON'T GO THERE. NOBODY'S PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE, BUT AS A BUSINESSMAN. AND I ALWAYS SUGGEST YOU, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST TO EVERYONE HOLD OFF THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE REVIEWED THIS MAYBE NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, THEN WE'LL HIRE TWO MORE STAFF. BUT THIS YEAR, I THINK IT'S MORE PRODUCT NOT HIRING ANYONE, GIVE THE STATUS AND GO THROUGH THIS YEAR AND 10 AT A SOME WAY. AND IT ALSO A CITIZEN CAN STILL RECEIVE THE BEST SERVICE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ALL MY SUGGESTIONS. PLUS, PLUS I MAYBE DIDN'T HAMMER THE POINT HEAVILY ENOUGH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RECURRING AND ONE TIME WE CAN USE FUND BALANCE. AND WE HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT FUND BALANCE, SOMETHING LIKE 45% OF OPERATIONAL AND A VERY SIGNIFICANT FUND BALANCE FOR A YEAR, AS OPPOSED TO ADDING TO THE TAX RATE WHEN THE TAX RATE IS ALREADY GOING UP PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. SO I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF NOT ADDING RECURRING REVENUE, BUT YOU THINK FUNDS TO IMPACT IT, THE WORK THEN I WON'T SAY IT AGAIN. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT, RIGHT? THE ONLY THING MAYOR, THE ONLY THING I DON'T WOULD THE COUNCIL LIKE ME, IF, IF THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE, UM, THE CONSENSUS TO ADD THE FTES THIS YEAR, WOULD THE COUNCIL LIKE ME TO WORK ON INCREASING OR DEVELOPING A WORK PLAN THAT WOULD INCREASE THEIR ID IQ CONTRACTS TO, TO COVER SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE ITEMS AND COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YES. WAS, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? YEAH. HAVE, UM, AN IVI KEY CONTRACT THAT BASICALLY SAYS REALLY SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO GET A, A CONTRACTOR TO BID ON SMALL PROJECTS. SO WE CREATE AN IDI QUEUE CONTRACT, INDEFINITE DURATION, INDEFINITE QUANTITY CONTRACT THAT BASICALLY SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF WORK BID ON THE, THE BUNCH OF WORK. WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT EXACTLY IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A BUNCH. SO GIVE US A PRICE, A UNIT PRICE FOR DOING THIS BUNCH OF WORK. AND WHEN WE NEED YOU, WE WILL CALL YOU AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, USE YOU. AND SO THAT GETS THAT, THAT, THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO ENTICE PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BID ON OUR SMALLER PROJECTS TO BID, BUT GIVE US PRICING SO THAT WE CAN PLAN, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM A, FROM A MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR STANDPOINT. WE'VE DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS WITH OUR ID [01:25:01] IQ CONTRACT, THE TOWNHALL DRIVE A ROAD RECONSTRUCTION, THE SAME THING AT, UH, LIKE, UH, LIKE FORESTS, UM, VARIOUS PANEL REPLACEMENTS ALL OVER THE TOWN, ET CETERA. SO WE HAVE THAT RESOURCE AVAILABLE TO US. IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THE WORK OURSELVES, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO ADD THE FTES TO DO IT, WE CAN DO THIS FOR A YEAR PAID FOR SOME OF IT, PAY FOR IT OUT OF OUR FUND BALANCE. AND, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT, UH, LOOK AT THAT AS ARE ESSENTIALLY WHAT ONE YEAR BANDAID TO HAVE, TO STILL GET STUFF DONE FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, AND THEN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. AND THE FOCUS WOULD BE LIKE MINOR, MINOR STREET REPAIR. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? WHATEVER'S ON HIS LIST, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S, IT'S SIDEWALKS, IT'S STREET PANELS AND MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, SOME OF IT IS STRIPING. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE'D PROBABLY WANT TO INCLUDE, INCREASE OUR STRIPING CONTRACT AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING OUR EMPLOYEES WOULD DO OTHERWISE. AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS I UNDERSTAND. AND DIDN'T, DIDN'T, WE HIRE, UH, THREE PEOPLE TO KIND OF HANDLE THE MAJOR, MAJOR STREET PROJECTS. IS THAT RIGHT? AND THESE, THESE ARE JUST BE MINOR. UH, YOU'RE REFERRING TO MINOR, UH, STREET RELATED PROJECTS FOR THIS CONTRACTOR WORK IT'S MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S NOT A RECONSTRUCTION OF A ROAD. IT'S WHATEVER MAINTENANCE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT IT. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THREE FTES YOU'RE REFERRING TO FOR HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER. OH YEAH. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, THAT'S A PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM, YOU KNOW, ID IQ, YOU KNOW, UH, THE WINE, UH, CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, JIM BOLLMAN. SO I KNOW HIM IMPERSONAL. I KNOW HOW TO, HE, HE, HE WAS DOING, HE HAS DONE GOOD JOB, NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL OF THAT IS NOT BECAUSE, OKAY, WELL, WE MADE THE DECISION LIKE TODAY, IF THIS IS THE CASE, THE FIRST ONE YEAR, WE TALK ABOUT ADDING POSSIBLY MORE EMPLOYEES NEXT YEAR, THEN YOU'LL WANT TO PUT EVERYTHING TRANSFER TO IDI CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT THEN DEFEAT THE PURPOSE, THOUGH. I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, YOU KNOW, AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, WE HAVE TO BE PRUDENT. WE DO WHATEVER WE CAN. WE, WE MAKE SURE ALL EMPLOYEES ON THE STAND THAT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYBODY WATCHING HARDER FOR THE SPECIAL YEAR, WES. YEAH. ONE QUICK THING. IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THOSE MAINTENANCE ITEMS AND RUN IT THROUGH AN ID IQ, CAN WE, AND THEN OF COURSE AT THE SAME TIME, IF OUR CURRENT, OUR CURRENT PEOPLE, IF WE, IF WE ENDED UP SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP DOING THE TRASH PICKUP, BUT BASICALLY 50% OF THEIR TIME OR 40% OF THEIR TIME, THEY CAN DO STREET MAINTENANCE. CAN WE TRACK JUST THAT? JUST SO I KNOW. SO I KNOW IN MY OWN MIND, LIKE TRACK, OKAY, WHAT ARE PEOPLE CAUGHT? WHAT ARE THEY CHARGED IN ORDER, WE ENDED UP SPENDING TO DO A CERTAIN TYPE OF A REPAIR AND THEN COMPARE IT TO THE ICU UNIT PRICES TO SEE REALLY WHAT THAT DELTA IS JUST GOING FORWARD. I JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S A 20% OR 15% OR 50% SURCHARGE THAT WE'RE REALLY PAYING THAT OUTSOURCE IT, BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH AS WE'RE THINKING. SO TO MY MIND, THIS IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF LOOKING TO THIS OPTION IS TO NOT HAVE A LONGTERM RECURRING COMMITMENT. AND THAT THAT'S WHERE THE COST COMES, YOU KNOW, OVER THE RAINBOW, NOT IN THE IMMEDIATE SHORT TERM, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE, I THINK, UM, IN THE SHORT TERM TO DO THAT, THE CONTRACT, THE IDI IQ, BUT IT PROBABLY IS. AND I THINK THAT, I THINK I BET THE IVAN'S POINT IS A PRETTY GOOD ONE. I THINK AS FAR AS, AT THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE CAN, WE CAN FUND SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE STUFF OUT OF, OUT OF FUND BALANCE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO STRAIGHT NECESSARILY STRAIGHT TO THE TAX RATE THIS YEAR. YES. SO, WHEREAS YOU'VE GOT YOUR CONSENSUS NOW. I THINK SO. YES. ALRIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS DISCUSSION [01:30:01] ON THIS SIDE YET [3. Present and Discuss Public Safety Concerns within the Oaks North Neighborhood. ] ATTEMPT NUMBER THREE, PRESENT, DISCUSS POPPING SAFETY CONCERNS WITHIN THE OAKS NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, PAUL, SHARE MY SCREEN AND WE'LL GET STARTED. I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT. YES, YOU CAN. YES. THANK YOU. WELL, TONIGHT, UH, THIS, THIS ITEM WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA, UM, BY I BELIEVE MAYOR CHOW, COUNCILMEMBER WALDEN AT THE REQUEST OF THE NORTH HOMER ASSOCIATION. UM, MY PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS GOING TO GO QUICKLY CAUSE I REALLY WANT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL AND GET DIRECTION ABOUT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION UH, SUGGESTED. UH, BUT FIRST, BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THAT, JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE LINE OUT OF HOW I'M GOING TO PROCEED THIS EVENING. UH, FIRST WE'RE GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME RECENT, UH, UH, INSTANCES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT IT FROM A TOWN WIDE PERSPECTIVE FROM A, UH, FROM AN ACTIVITY AND STATISTICAL STANDPOINT, I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THE OAK SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD ONLY. AND SO ALL THE DATA YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TONIGHT WAS, WAS CARVED OUT OF OUR, OUR, UH, BOLT DATA, BOTH ON A UCR AND STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UH, BY OUR STAFF. SO WE CAN GET A CLEAR PICTURE AND OFFER A CLEAR PICTURE OF THE COUNCIL OF, OF THAT OAKS NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD ONLY. UH, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF OUR EFFORTS, UH, ON THE BAY, ON THE PATROL AND GENERAL POLICE SIDE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE. WE'RE ALSO GONNA DISCUSS THE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES THAT THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN HELP US WITH AND, AND, UH, WORK IN A PARTNERSHIP, UH, DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO HAVE A SAFE COMMUNITY. UH, WE'RE ALSO GONNA LOOK AT THE HOMEOWNERS SUGGESTIONS AND OPEN THAT UP AND FOR COUNSELING COUNSEL, AND I'LL CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION AT THAT POINT. AGAIN, OUR OVERVIEW FOR OAKS NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SET OF DATA, OR IS FROM JUNE, EXCUSE ME, JULY OF 2019 TO JULY OF 2020, UH, WE HAD 108 CALLS FOR SERVICE 721 SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITIES BY OUR OFFICERS AND TOTAL OFFENSE REPORTS. IT SAYS THREE ON THIS, ON THE POWERPOINT SLIDE. I APOLOGIZE. IT IS ACTUALLY FOUR. WE FOUND ONE THAT, UH, SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE DATE RANGE AND IT WAS NOT. SO MY APOLOGIES, THAT IS, IT IS FOR, UH, I KNOW ON THE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, WE, WE, UH, WE ANSWERED WHAT THREE OF THOSE WERE ON THE FOURTH ONE. IT WAS AN, IT WAS AN ATTEMPTED BURGLARY IN WEEKS. UH, THE HOMEOWNER FOUND SOME PRIME MARKS ON OUR REAR REAR PATIO DOOR, BUT NO ENTRY WAS MADE. SO IT WAS, UH, IT WAS LISTED AS ATTEMPTED NEXT ON OUR CALLS FOR SERVICES, A BREAKOUT AGAIN, NOTICING THE TIMELINE. THIS IS, UH, JULY, 2019 TO JULY OF 2020. UM, YOU LOOK AT THE MAJORITY OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE AND NOTE FOURTH NEIGHBORHOOD, 32% IS OTHER, AGAIN, LOOKING TO THE LEFT OF THE SLIDE, UH, THE LITTLE CALL OUT BOX WE TALK ABOUT THESE ARE GENERAL PATROLS ASSISTING THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. UM, OTHER THINGS THAT DON'T USUALLY HIT ARE, ARE, ARE LARGE, A COUPLE TYPES THAT WE USE. UM, THE SECOND ONE IS OUR BURGLAR ALARMS, 24%. AND MOST OF THOSE ARE, UH, UH, FALSE ALARMS, BUT WE DO GET QUITE A BIT OF ALARMS AGAIN, WORKING THROUGH THE PI. WHEN WE'LL GO IN CLOCKWISE, YOU LOOK AT CONTACT COMPLAINANT, SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES, UH, WELFARE CONCERNS, INFER REPORTS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND IT GIVES YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A PICTURE OF WHAT A DAY TO DAY CALLS FOR SERVICE LOOK LIKE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. LOOKING AT THE SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITY FOR US AND SOME OF THE COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAS HEARD AND REMEMBERED MY PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT, UM, OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE NON-DISCRETIONARY RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE NOW ONE CALLS, OTHER DISPATCH CALLS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THE OFFICER'S DATA COMPUTERS OR MOBILE RADIOS. UM, WE, WE GO TO THAT. WE HAVE NO CHOICE TO OFFICERS. DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ON WHAT THEY WILL DO. THEY WILL RESPOND OUR SELF-INITIATED SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITY IS, IS DIFFERENT. IT IS, IT IS DISCRETIONARY, BUT IT'S WHAT OUR SUPERVISORS, UH, DICTATE TO OUR PATROL OFFICERS, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ON, ON, UH, IN BETWEEN ANSWERING THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE. SO YOU'LL LOOK A MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME. 55% ARE THE GENERAL PATROL MARKED OUTS. AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE OFFICERS ARE LOOKING, GOING OUT, BEING PROACTIVE, DOING THINGS, UH, DIRECTED PATROLS ARE MORE MANDATORY DIRECTIVES, UH, VACATION WATCHES, CHECKING ON BUSINESSES. UH, WE ALSO CAN, CAN HAVE DIRECTED PATROLS BY OUR SUPERVISORS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN ACTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, GOING INTO THE MAJOR CRIME COMPONENTS. AGAIN, I'M USING MAJOR CRIMES AS A DESCRIPTOR. THIS IS, [01:35:01] THIS IS OUR UCR UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING NUMBERS. AGAIN, NOTICE THE DATE RANGE. THIS IS JANUARY OF 2000 THROUGH, THROUGH THE JULY, 2020 TIMEFRAME. SO IT'S A 20 YEAR TIME PERIOD BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ON THE ACTIVITY AGAIN FOR THE OAKS NORTH AND EVERYONE ONLY BUILT AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THE BAR CHARTS A LITTLE BIT STRIKING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, IT'S VERY LOW. UM, BUT AGAIN, OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS, YOU CAN SEE THE ACTIVITY LEVEL, UH, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE UCR, UH, CRIMES LISTED, GETTING GO MORE GRANULAR AGAIN, THAT 20 SAME 20 YEAR TIME PERIOD, WE'VE HAD, UH, THREE THEFTS OF MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO AGAIN, VERY LOW, LAST ONE OCCURRED IN 2017. AGAIN, 20 YEAR TIME PERIOD OAKS, NORA FOR ROBBERIES. WE'VE HAD ONE THIS LAST YEAR, THAT WAS A HOME INVASION ROBBERY THAT OCCURRED ON LOCKING BAR, AGAIN, AS A, AS AN ASIDE. AND I'VE, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, THIS WAS NOT A RANDOM EVENT. IT IS STILL AN ACTIVE AND OPEN CASE, AND I CANNOT DISCUSS THE DETAILS, BUT, UH, THIS WAS NOT A RANDOM EVENT WHERE THE HOMEOWNERS WERE JUST WORKED WITH TARGET AND FOR NO OTHER REASON, UH, WE'VE MADE THIS CASE. AND, UH, AS SOON AS THE CASE IS CONCLUDED, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT. UM, SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU CAN SEE AN ABSOLUTE ANOMALY IN 20 OR TIME PARENTS. THE FIRST ONE WE'VE HAD. AND THIS WAS A VERY SPECIAL CASE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT RANDOM. OKAY. BURGLARY OF RESIDENCES, AGAIN, THIS IS ENTERING, ENTERING A HOME OR AN OPEN GARAGE OF LATE. WE'VE HAD THREE, UM, TWO FOR THE SAME COMPLAINANT. UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE OVER TIME, WE'VE HAD PERIODS WHERE WE'VE HAD ONE OR TWO, UH, 2019 WAS, WAS THE MOST, THE ONE WE'VE HAD THE MOST IN THAT 20 YEAR, TIME PERIOD. YEAH. BURGERS OF VEHICLES, AGAIN, SAME TIME PERIOD, 20 YEARS. AGAIN, THE BAR CHARTS LOOK A LITTLE STRIKING. HOWEVER, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWOS AND THREES, USUALLY IT'S ONE OR ZERO OVER THE COURSE OF A LONG PERIOD. AGAIN, 2018 HAD THE MOST OF THREE. SO GOING TO WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE TO DATE, UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, CRIME PREVENTION EFFORTS BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, ANOTHER COUNCIL, OUR LICENSE PLATE, ANOTHER LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, OPTICAL CAMERA PROGRAM, WHICH IS RELATIVELY NEW. HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND WE'RE USING IT ON A DAILY BASIS TO HELP US SOLVE CRIME. WE HAVE A HOME SECURITY ANALYSIS PROGRAM WHERE, UH, A RESIDENT CAN CALL IN AND IT WILL HAVE ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR OFFICERS COME OUT AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT HOW THEY CAN BETTER SECURE THEIR HOMES, SEMINARS. AGAIN, WE'VE DONE THOSE REPEATEDLY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS WITH COVID, WE'RE KIND OF WAITING ON THAT TO PASS SO WE CAN START, START THAT UP AGAIN, BUT WE DO THOSE QUITE A BIT AND ALSO GO TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR HOA CRIME MEETINGS. UM, BUT WE, WE HAVE SET THOSE UP OURSELVES TO BE PROACTIVE AND, AND OPEN AND HONEST WITH PEOPLE. AND WE'VE ALSO GONE TO MEETINGS AT THE REQUEST OF PARTICULAR GROUPS, RACHEL WISE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT OUR DAILY PATROL OFFICERS DO AGAIN, THAT DISCRETIONARY TIME, UM, WE, WE DRIVE, WALK AND RIDE OUR PARKS AND TRAILS. WE'VE GOT OUR, AGAIN, OUR VACATION WATCHES AND DIRECTED PATROLS. WE MARK OUT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY AND PEOPLE IN VEHICLES ALL THE TIME. THAT IS, THAT IS A, THAT IS A ROUTINE PART OF OUR JOB. AND WHAT, WHAT GOOD COPS DO? THEY, THEY SEEN SOMETHING OUT OF PLACE AND THEY ACT ON IT. PART OF THAT IS CHECKING ON PROPERTY, OPEN DOORS WINDOWS. UM, WE'LL SEE. UH, I THINK WE HAD A, WE HAD A BUSINESS THE OTHER DAY THAT HAD A BROKEN WINDOW AND WE FOUND THAT AGAIN THROUGH OUR, OUR PART OF OUR PATROLS. AND WE DO THAT EVERY DAY AND THEN LEAVING CRIME RISK FOR VEHICLES LEFT, OPEN, UNLOCKED, OR VISIBLES INSIDE. AND WE ALSO DO THAT FOR HOMES. SO IF AN OFFICER SEES A GARAGE DOOR OPEN OR A LAPTOP LEFT IN A VEHICLE, THEY WILL LEAVE A NOTE ON A CARD JUST TO REMIND THE OWNER TO DO A BETTER JOB OF CRIME PREVENTION. AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL. UM, WE ARE COMMITTED TO PRESERVING THE ORDER AND PROTECTING LIVES AND PROPERTY ADDISON'S HAS A VERY STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY. AND THAT COMES FROM, FROM US WORKING TOGETHER AND BUILDING THAT TRUST. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. AND I GET MY ORDERS AND SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE AT A VERY PERSONAL LEVEL IS TO CONTINUE TO BUILD, MAINTAIN TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY WE SERVE. AND SO THAT IS PARAMOUNT AND ALL OF OUR DECISION MAKING WHEN IT COMES TO OUR COMMUNITY POLICING EFFORTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST OFFER QUICKLY, JUST SOME TIPS FOR FOLKS WATCHING. UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DO OUR PART AS HOMEOWNERS. I LIVE IN, IN A, IN A HOME IN PLANO. UM, I HAVE, I HAVE TO SECURE MY PROPERTY, MY VALUABLES, UH, AND I, WHAT WE ASK IS THAT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS DO THE SAME THING, CLOSING GARAGE DOORS, UH, REMOVING [01:40:01] GARAGE DOOR OPENERS FROM YOUR VEHICLES, ROLLING UP YOUR WINDOWS, TAKING YOUR KEYS, LOCKING THE DOORS, DON'T LEAVE ANYTHING IN VIEW AND YOU'RE INSIDE YOUR VEHICLE. IT IS, THAT IS A NUMBER ONE REASON WHY CARS ARE BROKEN INTO, AND FOR HOMES, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING UP YOUR ENTRANCE OF YOUR HOME OR YOUR DRIVEWAYS. WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT CONSIDER INSTALLING SOME SORT OF AN EXTERIOR CAMERA SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT OFFER THOSE ON THE, ON, UH, ON, UH, ON THE CIVILIAN MARKET. UM, AND THEN SHARE, YOU KNOW, SHARE THOSE WEBSITES. LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE INFORMATION AND TALK ABOUT IT WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS SO YOU CAN STAY INFORMED. YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY WE TALK ABOUT IT IN MY PERSONAL LIFE AND MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS. AND, YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT IT, MR. PEARSON, UH, JUST RECENTLY WHEN WE WERE PREPARING FOR THIS NICE DISCUSSION, I THINK A LOT OF THIS, IF YOU TALK ABOUT THAT LAST, THAT LAST BULLET POINT, I THINK TECHNOLOGY HAS HELPED US A LOT, BUT IT'S ALSO, I THINK, CONTRIBUTED TO AN EROSION OF OUR PERCEPTION OF SAFETY. YOU KNOW, THE NEXT DOOR WEB, A WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, THE RING, THE RING NEIGHBORS APP, UH, THE COMMUNITY CRIME MAPS WEBSITE THAT WE ALWAYS REFER PEOPLE TO TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. JUST THE, JUST THE DAILY NEWS FEEDS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ON OUR REGULAR NEWS CHANNELS, IT REALLY DOES PAINT A PICTURE OF, OF SOMETIMES IT'S FOLLOWING AND THAT THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON. AND, UM, BEFORE MAYBE 10, 15 YEARS AGO, WE EVER REALLY SAW A LOT OF THAT. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN PERSPECTIVE AND, AND LET'S LEARN HOW TO FILTER THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY MEANS FOR US AND THE COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN AND SERVE IN, AND THEN WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE MANAGE THAT OF OUR SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY. AND WE HAVE PEOPLE DO THIS ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S FANTASTIC. AGAIN, THAT'S THAT PARTNERSHIP AND THAT COMES INTO PLAY, UH, WHEN TO CALL US, WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING OUT OF PLACE, CALL US, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. THEY'RE ACTING SUSPICIOUSLY. IF YOU'RE 67 CENTS, MAYBE POPS UP AND SAYS THIS ISN'T RIGHT, DON'T TALK YOURSELF OUT OF IT. CALL OUR NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER AT A MINIMUM AND LET US COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT IT IS. NINE TIMES OUT OF 10. YOUR GUT INSTINCT IS CORRECT. IF I NOTICE A SOLICITORS OR A COMMON, UH, MOTION OR ISSUE, UM, ALWAYS CALL US. IF YOU THINK A SOLICITOR ISN'T ACTING IN A LEGAL MANNER AND IT LET US LET OUR OFFICE COME OUT AND TALK TO THEM AND DETERMINE IF THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE OR NOT. AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ALWAYS HERE TO HELP YOU AND TRY TO DISCUSS YOUR CONCERNS. UM, MY, I HAVE A POLICE CHIEF EMAIL IS ON OUR WEBSITE. WE HAVE A TIPS FOR ONE, ONE LINK ON OUR WEBSITE AND ON COMMUNITY CRIME MAPS. AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO OFFER INFORMATION HELP SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO OUR JOB BETTER. SO, LASTLY, I KNOW THE COUNCIL GOT A COPY OF THE OAKS NORTH. I WONDER ASSOCIATION A LETTER FROM, FROM, FROM THEIR PRESIDENT AND THAT IT HAD THREE MAIN SUGGESTIONS, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, POLE CAMERAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ENHANCED STREET LIGHTING AND ENHANCED SIGNAGE, UH, MORNING PEOPLE OF OUR LPR AND OUR LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION AND OPTICAL CAMERA USAGE. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON THESE SUGGESTIONS. ONCE I CONCLUDE AS A LAST REMINDER, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP IS WHAT MAKES ADDISON SPECIAL. A LOT OF CITIES HAVE, YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIPS WITH THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THE ADDISON'S UNIQUE BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CLOSER RELATIONSHIP AND THE CRIME PREVENTION IS A PARTNERSHIP. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO KEEPING THAT AS COMMUNITY SAFE BY WORKING TOGETHER. UM, AND SO I WILL CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION AND WHETHER ANY QUESTIONS I'M GONNA LEAVE THE POWERPOINT SLIDE UP IN CASE WE WANT TO REFER BACK TO ANY OF THE SLIDES. HEY, CHIEF, THIS IS MARLIN. CAN YOU TURN TO PAGE FOUR OF THE POWERPOINT SLIDE PLEASE? PERFECT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. ON THE TOP LEFT THE TRAFFIC STOP VEHICLE 2%. UM, UM, I'M, UH, I'M DOING MY MATH AND THAT LOOKS LIKE 14 STOPS OUT OF THE 741 SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITY FALLS. AND MY, MY QUESTION IS, AND I REALIZE THIS IS FROM JULY 1ST, LAST YEAR TO JULY 1ST NOW, BUT WITH GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE WITH THE LPR CAMERAS IN PLACE, UM, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE TWO ENTRANCES AND EXITS EXITS AT OAKS NORTH. UM, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA DRIVE? UM, I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN OUR, WHEN OUR PATROL OFFICERS GET THOSE, THOSE, UH, LPR ALERTS, DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THOSE, THAT NUMBER UP OR THAT ANNUAL NUMBER FOR TRAFFIC STOP VEHICLES? YOU KNOW, IT COULD, AND A LOT OF TIMES THOSE THAT, THAT PARTICULAR MARK OUT IS GOING TO BE, IF I, IF I, I USED TO WORK MOTORS AND A MOTORCYCLE AND I WOULD WORK MONFRED ALL THE TIME AND I WOULD, I STOPPED PEOPLE ON OCCASION THAT THERE WERE SPEEDING [01:45:01] NORTH ON MONFRED THEY WOULD PULL OVER LEFT OR RIGHT AT THAT NEXT INTERSECTION. RIGHT. SO IF YOU GO LAUGHTER AND JOKES NORTH, YOU GO, RIGHT. YOU'RE IN THE VERDE VALLEY IN DALLAS. A LOT OF THAT, I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT, THAT TRAFFIC STOP DATA ON THIS CHART THAT TALKS ABOUT WHERE THAT MARK OUT WAS. AND SO MY, THE FINAL PLACE THAT, THAT VEHICLE STOPPED, WE'RE GOING TO MARK IT ON THE RADIO. AND THAT'S WHERE THE CALL IS GOING TO GO INTO THE DISPATCH CENTER. A LOT OF TIMES FOR OUR, OUR LPR HITS, IT MAY NOT BE A TRAFFIC STOP. IT MAY BE THE OFFICER MARKS OUT ON SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY OR OTHER, OTHER MARK OUT TYPES, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CAR THE PEOPLE ARE DOING. SO AGAIN, IF, IF IT ARE HIT OCCURRED AND THE PEOPLE WERE OUT OF THEIR CAR WALKING AROUND, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T HAVE REGISTERED AS A TRAFFIC STOP. SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE INCREASES BASED ON THAT. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ULTIMATE MARK OUT TYPE USED BY EITHER THE OFFICER OR THE DISPATCH CENTER. IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAUNDRY. OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT IS, DO YOU SEE US, UH, USING THE LPR ALERTS AT ALL? LIKE A, UH, PROACTIVE MANNER? YES. AND WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT. WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT. OKAY. OKAY. PROJECT, WE, WE USE THE ALERTS, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND THE COUNCIL, WE, FOR THE, FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE INSTALLED, OUR PILOT PROJECT, LPR CAMERAS. SO IT'S YOUR NEIGHBOR, IT NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD, MIDWAY METALS AREA. UM, WE DID NOT WANT IT TO BE JUST A, UH, AN ALERT SYSTEM WHERE OUR OFFICERS ARE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE CHASING, I CALL IT CHASING THE RABBITS ALL NIGHT. UH, WE WANT THEM TO FOCUS ON DOING GOOD POLICE WORK. AND SO WE REMOVED SOME OF THE, THE ALERTS THAT WOULD, WOULD HAVE CAUSED THAT. AND SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST CONSIDER THE, THE WORST OF, OF THE ALERTS, AGAIN, A WARRANT FOR ARREST, STOLEN VEHICLES, OTHER OTHER HOT LISTS THAT WE'VE MADE. AND WE USE FOR INTERNAL PURPOSES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY. AND I BELIEVE IT, IT, IT, IT MITIGATES THAT CONCERN THAT I HAVE OF THE OFFICERS JUST CHASING, CHASING THE ALERTS ON I, AND THEY USE IT ONLY WHEN IT'S REALLY NECESSARY TO SAFEGUARD THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. SO WE'LL GET THE PULL UP TO GET MORE SERIOUS. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THE DAY. ONE OF THE PILOT PROJECT. SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE LAST PART THAT YOU CUT OUT AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR THE ENTIRE PILOT PROJECT. SO FROM APRIL, 2019, UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF OUR PILOT AND APRIL OF 20, AND NOW CONTINUING THROUGH THE USAGE OF THE EQUIPMENT, WE'VE ALL ONLY ALWAYS USED IT FOR THE SERIOUS ALERTS WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THAT WAS THE WHOLE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM WAS TO HELP US SAFEGUARD THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN OUR OFFICERS ARE, ARE BUSY DOING OTHER THINGS. AND THEN ALSO GIVE US GOOD FORENSIC EVIDENCE TO, TO, TO WORK ON IF SOMETHING DOES OCCUR. AND I THINK DURING WHEN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID WE HAD LIKE 1500, UH, ALERTS. SO THOSE ARE 1500 SERIOUS ALERTS. WELL, AGAIN, IT COULD BE A STOLEN VEHICLE. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR DEFINITION IS. WE HAVE A WARRANT FOR ARREST THAT ARE NOT JUST YOUR GENERAL CLASS SEAT, TRAFFIC TICKETS, RIGHT? WANTED PERSONS FROM OTHER STATES AGAINST OLD VEHICLES, BUT IT'S MISSING IN A DANGER, MOST PERSONS, THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE USE IT A LOT. WE'LL GET THE ONES THAT I SEE COME ACROSS MY PHONE OR STOLEN THE LICENSE, STOLEN VEHICLES, STOLEN LICENSE PLATES, THE FELONY WARRANTS. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PERSON'S THERE TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THAT PERSON HAS ANY BAD INTENT OR NOT. AND YOU CAN HAVE A WARRANT FOR ARREST WILL BE ARRESTED. SPECIFIC QUESTION IS JUST LAST WEEK AT A PALLADIUM. THERE IS A BIG PALLADIUM AND A HINT OF THE MAILBOX DOWN. SO, UH, DO WE EVER CATCH THAT DRIVER? I DON'T, I CAN CHECK AND GET BACK WITH YOU RIGHT NOW, BASED ON MY MEMORY, WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO GO ON, UH, BUT I'LL CHECK IN AND I'LL FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED. A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS SAW IT, BUT NOBODY WRITE DOWN THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD ABOUT BY THE OWNER. SO I'M KIND OF WEIRD. SO THAT'S REASON. I ALWAYS REMIND EVERYONE WHEN YOU SEE ANY SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY, JUST WRITE DOWN THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. I MEAN, SOMETIMES BECAUSE IT'S BIG TRUCK, APPARENTLY THE LPR READER DIDN'T CAPTURE THAT. YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE SUGGESTIONS FROM THEM, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION NOW, OR I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS. [01:50:01] UM, THIS IS IVAN INCENSE. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE HOA. I WOULD OFFER TO MAKE COMMENTS ON OAKS, NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS. YOU TOUCHED ON THAT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER POINTS TO BRIGHTON TO BRING OUT THE REASON THAT I, THAT THIS IS A WIDESPREAD CONCERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BY THE WAY, THAT'S MY PERCEPTION THAT THIS ISN'T ONE OR TWO PEOPLE OR THREE OR FOUR, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN. IT'S BEEN ENOUGH OF A CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE FORMED A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH WITH. I WANT TO SAY SEVEN, I MAY HAVE THE WRONG NUMBER OF WHAT THEY'RE CALLING CAPTAINS IN THE AREA. SO IT ACTUALLY MOBILIZED ON THAT. THEY HAVE GONE OUT AND I'VE ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO GET RING CAMERAS, TO PUT IN LIGHTING, UM, TOGETHER WITH PARKS, WITH JANET TIDWELL AND LESS IS SUPPORT. THE HOA HAS SPENT 5,000 OF ITS DOLLARS THIS YEAR, AND THERE AREN'T THAT MANY DOLLARS TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE LIGHTING IN THE AREA. SO THERE IS A COMMITMENT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS TO ADDRESS IT. AND SOME OF THE UNDERLYING THINGS THAT I THINK ARE MAKING PEOPLE CONCERN ARE THE ITEMS THAT YOU MENTIONED. SO WHAT ARE THE PARTICULAR CRIMES? IT'S, THERE'VE BEEN A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT LIKE THE MAILBOX IS GETTING KNOCKED DOWN AND SOMEBODY'S A DUI THAT KNOCKS OUT THE PLANNER. AND THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT HAVE AMPLIFIED THE CONCERNS, BUT TWO THINGS IN PARTICULAR, I THINK REALLY HAVE PUT PEOPLE ON EDGE. ONE IS THE RING DATA THAT YOU MENTIONED. AND I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE THAT THERE REALLY IS A LOT OF RING CRIME REPORTED AROUND THE OAKS, NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT IN IT, BUT ON THE PERIMETER. AND PEOPLE ARE SEEING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW DATA IS REPORTED. AND SO THEY'RE REALIZING THAT WITHIN A VERY SHORT DISTANCE PROMOTES NORTH, THERE IS REALLY, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CRIME. THEY CAN'T QUANTIFY IT. THE OTHER THING THAT'S CHANGED IS THAT THERE IS SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT ON MONTEREY. AND SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE SEE AN AWFUL LOT OF CARS COMING THROUGH, AND WE SEE AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH. AND THAT'S WHY WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS SOMETHING STOLEN OUT OF A GARAGE. IT REALLY HIT HOME WITH PEOPLE THAT, OH MY GOSH, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING BY HERE. SO PEOPLE FEEL VULNERABLE AND EXPOSED MORE SO THAN I THINK THEY DID BEFORE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S MORE DENSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S MY SHORT SUMMARY OF CONCERNS. IT'S ALSO A REAL SHORT SUMMARY OF THE, THAT THE FOLKS IN OAKS NORTH ARE ABSOLUTELY IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP AND THE OAKS NORTH SHOULD BE DOING LIGHTING LOOKS NORTH, SHOULD HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH. AND WE SHOULD JUST BE A GREAT PARTNER WITH THE POLICE SIDE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE POINTS COME OUT AND I CAN COMMENT ON THE ADDITIONAL CAMERAS, ENHANCED LIGHTING AND ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. I DON'T WANT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION, BUT IT WAS IN THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND ANSWERED TO COUNCIL THAT IT IT'S THREE ADDITIONAL OPTIONAL OPTICAL CAMERAS THAT IF THEY WERE PUT IN, IT WOULD CATCH ANYONE WHO CAME THROUGH OAKS NORTH. SO IT WOULD HELP WITH THE WALKING. THE ENHANCED LIGHTING WOULD BE BOTH A DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING FROM THE TREES. SO IMPROVING THAT, AND BY THE WAY, UH, JANET TIDWELL AND PARKS HAS BEEN GREAT IN WORKING WITH OAKS NORTH ON THAT. WE ALSO HAVE A RESIDENT WHO IS AGREED TO HAVE ONE OF THE ENCORE LIGHTS PUT ON HIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE THE ISSUE WITH PUTTING WHATEVER YOU CALL THOSE, THOSE CITY LIGHTS ON THE PROPERTY IS ALWAYS WITH SOMEONE WILLING TO HAVE THAT. AND THEN ON SIGNAGE, IT'S CAMERAS TO GO WITH, EXCUSE ME, IT'S SIGNS TO GO WITH THE OBSTACLE CAMERAS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THOSE ARE THERE. UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, IT'S, I'LL CALL IT SIGNAGE, BUT IT'S FOR EXAMPLE, PAINTING THE CURB AND THE FIRE LANE ON THE ENTRANCE TO MON FROM MONFORT ONTO PALLADIUM, SO THAT IT'S NOT BLOCKED FOR FIRETRUCKS. IT'S A NUMBER OF THINGS RELATED TO SAFETY. I THINK ALL OF THEM ARE REASONABLE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE SUPPORT IN ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES. I THOUGHT I NEEDED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION. I'M GOING TO STEP BACK. I'M GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR LEAVE IT TO CHIEF YOU AND LESS ACHIEVE. THIS IS GQ. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE? UH, I'M CURIOUS, IS IT, UH, HOW EFFECTIVE [01:55:01] IS IT TO LET PHIL LET, UH, THE BAD GUYS KNOW THAT, UH, THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ARMED, UH, OR READY, UH, TO, UH, UH, TO RESPOND? IS THERE, IS IT, IS IT EFFECTIVE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE THERE OR IS IT BETTER TO HIDE BEHIND THE TREE AND GET THEM WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RING, UH, NETWORK, IF POSSIBLE. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, I'M NOT VERY, VERY CONFIDENT, UH, OF THAT SIGNAGE WOULD, WOULD WORK. HOWEVER, IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS IT AND THE SAME MANAGER APPROVES IT, I'M HAPPY TO FACILITATE THAT. AND WE HAD THE, WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE DID OUR PILOT PROJECT FOR THE LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION AND THE ULTIMATE CAMERAS THAT WERE INSTALLED AS PART OF THAT PILOT PROJECT. WE MADE A DECISION AT THAT TIME, NOT TO NOT TO PUT SIGNAGE UP, UM, FROM A, FROM A, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LIKE NOT TO ADVERTISE OUR LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION. NUMBER ONE, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TAKING COUNTERMEASURES TO AVOID THE CAMERAS, BOTH OPTICAL ALLIES. I DON'T WANT TO BE INTENTIONALLY, UH, UH, DAMAGED OR, OR ALTERED OR TAMPERED WITH BECAUSE PEOPLE NOW RECOGNIZE WHAT IT IS. AND SO THOSE ARE MY TWO, UH, INDIANS. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO DO WHAT THE COUNSEL TELLS US TO DO AND WHAT C MAJOR TELLS ME TO DO. SO I'M HAPPY TO HELP FACILITATE DISCUSSION LAST, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WHERE SIGN SIGNAGE MAY GO OR IS THERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY? YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SIGNS THAT ARE PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD CALL LOW HANGING FRUIT. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, CURRENTLY THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS NO THROUGH TRAFFIC. UM, AND THEN THE THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE A NO U-TURN SIGN WHERE THAT NOTES TO TRAFFIC SIGN IS, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH, RIGHT? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DOING, YOU TURNS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU CAN'T MAKE THE YOU TERMS OF PROHIBITION IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, UM, NORTH HOA BOARD, UH, THEIR, THEIR PERSPECTIVE WAS WE CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A NO U-TURN SIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MAKE THE TURNS IN THESE, THESE AREAS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY LOW HANGING FRUIT. YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD REPLACE ONE WITH THE OTHER AND BE JUST FINE. I DO SHARE CHIEF SPENCER'S CONCERN ABOUT ADVERTISING. UH, THE FACT THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT IS, UH, THAT IS WE ARE UTILIZING TO HELP CATCH BAD GUYS. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE BAD GUYS A REASON TO REMOVE THEIR LICENSE PLATE OR, OR HIDE AND OTHERWISE, UH, FROM, FROM YOU THAT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF, OF, UH, OF THOSE READERS. UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE ENTRANCES THAT SAY THINGS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS CRIME WATCH CRIME WATCH, OR THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS MONITORED BY, YOU KNOW, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT CLOSELY MONITORED, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, SO THOSE, I MEAN, THAT, THAT MIGHT, THAT'S A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE WAYS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, SPLIT THE BABY THERE AND DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HARM THE INTENSIVE OF THE TECHNOLOGY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS PEOPLE A SENSE OF COMFORT. UM, SO, UM, THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD THUS FAR. AND, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, I WANNA, I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH WHAT, UM, I EVEN SHARED AND, UH, I'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH OAKS, NORTH RESIDENTS, AND, UM, IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THEY'RE WORKING REALLY HARD, UM, IN UNISON WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET, I THINK SO COOL FOR THIS CONVERSATION IS WHAT I WOULD CALL THE BACK DOOR TO OCHSNER, UM, WHICH IS CELESTIAL PARK. AND AS WE KNOW, FROM, FROM, UH, SOME OF THESE ISSUES, UH, PRIME ISSUES, WE'VE GOT FOLKS HOPPING, HOPPING THE FENCE IN, UH, IN, UH, AT NIGHT OR MAYBE EARLY IN THE MORNING, UM, USING CELESTIAL PARK TO ACCESS THE, AGAIN, WHAT I CALL THE BACK DOOR [02:00:01] TO A OAKS NORTH. SO, UM, UH, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME STREET LIGHT BUDGETED, UH, FOR CELESTIAL ROAD. UM, IT'S REALLY DARK OVER THERE. THAT'S GONNA HELP 'EM. UM, I'M HAPPY THAT WE'VE GOT SOME LIGHTING, SOME, A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHTING. THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO CELESIO PARK, BUT I HOPE THAT, UH, WE WILL CONSIDER, UH, MAYBE AN OPTICAL CAMERA, UM, THAT WOULD, WOULD PROHIBIT IT, MAYBE KEEP AN EYE ON, UH, PEOPLE HOPPING OVER THE FENCE FROM CELESTIAL BACK INTO, UH, SOME OF THESE YARDS THAT, THAT IN OAKS, NORTH, IT BACKED UP TO CELESTIAL PART. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO, UM, TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION, ANIMAL COMMENT. WELL, I'M GOING TO ECHO MY RELUCTANCE TO WANT TO ENCOURAGE SIGNAGE, UH, OUT THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF CRIMINAL WHO NOTICES THAT IS GOING TO COME AND ACTUALLY START LOOKING FOR THE LPRS AND, AND THE, AND THE, AND THAT WHERE THE, WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE LOCATED NOW IN CASUAL OBSERVATION, YOU REALLY JUST DON'T NOTICE THOSE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ADVERTISE THAT THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO LET THE BAD GUYS, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THIS STUFF OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO TO DISABLE IT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEFORE I COME THROUGH AND TRY TO BURGLARIZE A HOUSE OR WHATEVER, OR, OR TAKE MY LICENSE PLATES OFF. I THINK THOSE, I THINK THE RISK OF TAKING COUNTERMEASURES GREATLY OUTWEIGHS THE VALUE IN DETERRENCE THAT THEY THINK THE SIGN MIGHT DO. SO I RESIST PUTTING THE SIGNS IN, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO THE ELECTRONICS THAT WE'RE DOING. UM, AND IT'S A FORCE MULTIPLIER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ANYWHERE, NOT JUST THERE, BUT ANYWHERE I HAD, I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT. UM, I LIKE TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE OAKS NORTH, UM, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND ALL THEIR MEMBERS OVER THERE, UM, REALIZING THAT THIS IS A JOINT EFFORT AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AS WELL. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE TOWN, THAT'S US BEING ABLE TO, TO PROVIDE SOME MORE, UM, MORE MEASURES OVER THERE TO HOPEFULLY PROTECT THAT AREA. UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY ALSO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT ONLY, UM, OAKES NORTH OF ANY NEIGHBORHOOD MADISON, AND THAT IS WHY EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GET OUT AND LIKE, KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS. I KNOW IN MY PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW EVERYBODY ON MY STREET AND I KNOW WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF PLACE, I CAN TELL WHEN I SEE THERE'S A CAR THAT LOOKS SUSPICIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY ON MY STREET, SO THE MORE PEOPLE CAN GET OUT AND KNOW EACH OTHER KNOW WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE NORMAL, YOU KNOW, NORMAL VEHICLES, NORMAL ACTIVITY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE BETTER FOR, OR ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN ADDISON. SO, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO ECHO THAT, UH, THE SAME, UH, THE SAME THING HOLDS TRUE FOR MULTIFAMILY. ADDISON HAS, UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF ITS RESIDENTS ARE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WALKING UP AND DOWN THE HALLS AND GETTING TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT. UM, JUST WITH THE HIGH CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE THERE. UH, ALSO I APPRECIATED MY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, THE OAKS NORTH, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PRESIDENT BOB HACKMAN. THEY HAVE A GREAT CAPTAIN PROGRAM AND IT'S BEEN VERY ENCOURAGING FOR ME TO SEE THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE COME TOGETHER AND REALLY TAKEN, UH, TAKEN CHARGE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS, UM, BECAUSE, UH, WE JUST DON'T KNOW, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M ENCOURAGED BY THAT. AND, AND I'M ALSO ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE, WITH THE TOWN AND THE POLICE. SO COMMENT, IF WE'RE AT THE END, THIS IS EITHER, AND AGAIN, I, I JUST, I WANT TO VOICE AN APPRECIATION FOR THE RESPONSIVENESS THAT WES AND SHE SPENCER, AND I'VE SAID TWO OR THREE TIMES, UH, JANET TIDWELL AND, AND THE WHOLE COUNCIL FOR AGREEING, YOU KNOW, JOE, I THINK IT WAS PAUL PUTTING [02:05:01] THIS ON THE AGENDA AND GIVING IT THE ATTENTION AND THE SUPPORT, BUT I'M SENSING FOR THESE ADDITIONAL THINGS TO, TO HELP FOLKS NORTH SAFETY. SO A HUGE THANKS AND VOICE THAT APPRECIATION, YOU KNOW, OAKS NORTH IS A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UH, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. AND RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME CAR INCIDENTS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SO LIKE A WEST SET, YOU KNOW, PUT UP A SIGN AT A PALLADIUM ENTRY, YOU KNOW, TELL PEOPLE THIS IS NOT A, FOR YOUR TURN OR SOMETHING, BUT, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WANT TO PUT LIKE A MOST RESIDENTS. THEY WOULDN'T PUT, OH, SECURED BY ADT OR SECURED BY A COACH, COACH MONITORING COMPANY. YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT SOMETHING LIKE AN OLD VIDEO CAMERA MONITORED. SO JUST LIKE A CHIEF SAID, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MAY DISABLE IT. SO BEFORE THEY COMMIT A CRIME OR THEY STEAL SOME OTHER LICENSE PLATE PUT ON A FAKE ONE, A LOT OF REASONS. SO JUST LIKE I ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T TELL PEOPLE YOU'VE GOT TO GO IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU KNOW? SO THAT, THAT'S MY POINT, BUT WE CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS YOUR LIVE THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ON THE STAND AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WORKED TOGETHER. YOU'LL SEE SUSPICIOUS PEOPLE WRITE DOWN THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. DOES IT DOESN'T MATTER. HE COMMITTED CRIME THOUGH OR NOT. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A LOT OF TIME PEOPLE PASSING BY SOMEWHERE. I FEEL SUSPICIOUS. I JUST WRITE IT DOWN. NOTHING HAPPENED, NOTHING HAPPENED IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, I HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, SO, SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY WORKED TOGETHER, YOU KNOW? SO I, I WANT TO ECHO SOMETHING YOU SAID, AND THAT IS THAT I THINK THESE ARE ALL REASONABLE THINGS AND THEY'RE THINGS THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT. AND I THINK THE WHOLE COUNCIL WOULD SUPPORT CONSIDERATION FOR IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. IVAN SAYS YOU, THE ONE SERVING YOUR COMMUNITY SO GREAT. YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. ANY MORE COMMENT? SO BLESS YOUR HEART. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YES, I DID. AND BASICALLY GUTTED THE DIRECTION ALREADY. YEAH. YES, MAYOR. AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY INCORPORATED. MANY OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN OUR FISCAL YEAR 2021 PROPOSED BUDGET. SO WE'RE ALREADY MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF MAKING SOME OF THESE THINGS A REALITY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO START A REGULAR MEETING AND YOU'LL WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND MAKE SOME LAWS BEFORE WE START. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, JUST TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR TONIGHT. SORRY. ARE WE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK? NO BREAK. JUST GO. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK [ Announcements and Acknowledgments Regarding Town and Council Events and Activities Discussion of Meetings / Events] YOU VERY MUCH. JUST TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR TONIGHT. FIRST ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 14TH AND SATURDAY, AUGUST 15TH. WE'RE INVITING PEOPLE TO JOIN US IN ADDISON AND ADDISON CIRCLE FOR DRIVING IN OUR DRIVING CONCERT SERIES. THEY WILL FEATURE LOCAL TOP 40 BANDS. UH, WE CAN, PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THE SHOWS FROM THE COMFORT OF THEIR OWN VEHICLES WHILE THEY SOCIALLY DISTANCE FROM, UH, FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. SO THE CONCERTS BEGIN AT EIGHT 30. YOU CAN GET MORE DETAILS AT THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, WWW DOT ADDISON, TEXAS.NET. UM, AGAIN, UH, SPACES LIMITED. YOU CAN GUARANTEE A ADMISSION BY BOOKING A HOTEL IN ADDISON, UH, WHEN WE'VE DONE THIS LAST TIME, UH, NOT ONLY DID WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP AND APPROPRIATELY PHYSICALLY DISTANCE, BUT THEY ALSO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF, UH, BUYING FOOD AT ADDISON RESTAURANTS. AND ALSO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT STAYED IN ADDISON'S HOTEL. SO THAT AGAIN IS THIS WEEKEND, AUGUST FRIDAY, AUGUST 14TH AND SATURDAY, AUGUST THE 15TH. ADDITIONALLY DART IS HOSTING A VIRTUALLY QUARTERLY MEETING THAT WILL PROVIDE COMMUNITY THE COMMUNITY AND UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE DARK SILVER LINE. AND THAT WILL TAKE PLACE THURSDAY, AUGUST THE 13TH FROM 6:30 PM TO 8:30 PM, UH, DARK AND [02:10:01] THE DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTOR WILL BE OUTLINING THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS AND ANDREW ANSWERING QUESTIONS. AND IF ANYBODY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THAT VIRTUAL MEETING, THEY CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, OR THEY CAN VISIT THE DART WEBSITE TO FIND OUT THE INFORMATION THERE AS WELL. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THOSE ARE ALL OF MY, UH, MY, UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SO IRMA. DO WE HAVE ANY PERSONAL LAW ON THE PHONE, BUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT WE DO NOT. WE DO NOT. ALRIGHT, SO [ Consent Agenda All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CONSIDER ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 15TH, 2020 SPECIAL MEETING AND THE, THE JULY 14, 20, 20 REGULAR MEETING. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? IF SO, WHO MADE A MOTION? I DID. PAUL WALDEN COMMENT AND MOTION. ISAAC IVAN SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS MINUTES, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. ALRIGHT. ITEM [5. Hold a Public Hearing, Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Changing the Zoning on Property Located at 5100 Belt Line Road Suite 796, Which Property is Currently Zoned PD, Planned Development, Through Ordinances O12-002 and O20-08, by Approving a Special Use Permit for a New Restaurant With the Sale of Alcoholic Beverages for on Premises Consumptions Only. Case 1815-SUP/Pie Tap.] NUMBER FIVE, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ORDINANCE. CHANGING THE ZONING ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5,100 FELL ON YOUR SUITE SEVEN 96, WHICH PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED PAYDAY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SO ORDINANCES ZERO ONE TWO DASH ZERO ZERO TWO AND ZERO TWO ZERO DASH ZERO EIGHT BY APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A NEW RESTAURANT WITH THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR ON PREMISES CONSUMPTION A CASE. NUMBER ONE, A ONE FIVE S UOP PIE TAP THE CHARLES. YES, GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHARLES GOLF DIRECTOR RELEVANT SERVICES. HIGH TAP IS A LOCAL RESTAURANT CHAIN SERVING PIZZA SALADS AND OTHER ITALIAN DISHES. THEY HAVE THREE LOCATIONS, TWO IN DALLAS AND ONE IN PLANO. THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE A FOURTH LOCATION LOCATED IN A VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY AND THE SPACE THAT WAS FORMERLY OCCUPIED BY LACOE META PI TACK WOULD RENOVATE THAT SPACE. AND PART OF THAT RENOVATION WOULD INCLUDE RELOCATING THE BAR AREA AND IT'S THAT RELOCATION OF THE BAR THAT TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR A NEW SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE PLANTS WHERE THE RESTAURANT SHOW AT 3,669 SQUARE FOOT FOUR PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES A 300 SQUARE FOOT EXTERIOR PATIO. AND ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE SPACE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL WINDOWS ON BOTH FACADES. IT'S, IT'S A CORNER, UH, SPACE. SO IT HAS TWO FACADES, UH, METAL AWNINGS OVER THOSE WINDOWS, AND THEN IT WOULDN'T PERGOLA OVER THE PATIO AREA. AND THE THING IS ONLY COMMISSIONED, HEARD THIS REQUEST AT THEIR MEETING ON JULY 21ST AND RECOMMEND IT FOR APPROVAL WITH THE TOWN STANDARD CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT NOT USING TERMS FOR GRAPHIC DEPICTIONS THAT RELATE TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGES IN THEIR EXTERIOR SIGNAGE. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. HEY CHARLES, DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY MIGHT, UH, IF THIS IS APPROVED, DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY MIGHT OPEN A, SO THEY HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED PLANS. WE WERE REVIEWING THAT IN ANTICIPATION THAT THAT COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE THIS. WE HAVE AN ISSUE TO NEED PERMITS YET. UH, BUT, UH, ARE THEY ARE READY TO GO? IT KIND OF CAUGHT HIM BY SURPRISE AND THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS, UH, FOR SUCH A MINOR REVIEW. UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY TO GET GOING. SO CHARLES, NORMALLY, IF IT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING RESTAURANT, WHEN YOU COME IN, TAKE IT OVER, UH, IF WITHOUT, UH, ANY SPECIAL STRUCTURAL CHANGES. SO YOU CAN JUST OPENED UP WITH ALL GOES THROUGH THIS SUP, RIGHT? CORRECT. IT'S THE THINGS THAT TRIGGER A NEW SUP IS ITS BEGINNING EXPANSION TO THE RESTAURANT. SO A LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE, IF THERE'S ANY STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO THE BUILDING OR IF THEY DO ANYTHING THAT CHANGES HOW THEY SERVE ALCOHOL. SO, AND THIS, I GUESS THEY'RE MOVING THE BAR FROM ONE AREA OF THE RESTAURANT TO ANOTHER AREA. AND SO HISTORICALLY THAT'S TRIGGERED THE NEED TO COME BACK FOR A NEW SUP. SO BASICALLY THEY GO TO RATE DESIGN THE WHOLE PLACE. ALRIGHT. THEY DIDN'T SEND THEM ANY QUESTION. ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS ITEM IS LISTED AS A PROPERTY HEARING. IF ANYONE IN PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE DO SO OR NOT THE WAY HAVE ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? A MAYOR? NO, SIR. NO REQUEST TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO THERE'S NO WAY IN PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. I HEAR [02:15:01] BY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANIMAL DISCUSSION. NOPE. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? SO IVAN MADE A MOTION WHO SECONDED? WELL, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE MOTION. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION WITH APPROVAL OF CONDITIONS? UH, A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SO MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. OKAY. SO I HAD MOTION IVAN SECOND FROM LAURIE, ALL YOU FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT, SAY, AYE, AYE, OPPOSE ITEM SIX, [6. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action Related to a Special Election to Consider Charter Amendments; Including Potential Action to Adopt an Ordinance Ordering the Special Election for the November 2020 Uniform Election Date. ] PRESENT, DISCUSS CONSIDER ACTION RELATED TO A SPECIAL ELECTION TO CONSIDER CHARTER AMENDMENTS, INCLUDING POTENTIAL ACTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE, ORDERING THE SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE NOVEMBER, 2020 UNIFORM ELECTION COUNCIL TRIALS, GOLF DIRECTOR OF RELEVANT SERVICES. THIS IS A FOLLOWUP ITEM TO THE JULY 14TH DISCUSSION AS WELL AS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT WAS TELLING EARLIER TONIGHT, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING OPTIONS FOR RESCHEDULING, THE SPECIAL ELECTION, UH, TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN'S THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR MAY 2ND, 2020, BEFORE COVID-19 INTERFERED WITH THAT SCHEDULE. AND SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT EITHER RESCHEDULING THAT OR THE NOVEMBER 3RD, 2020 DATE, OR PUSHING THAT TO MAY, 2021, IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE AS TO WHICH THEY WOULD PREFER IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO HOLD THE ELECTION THIS NOVEMBER, UH, THEN IN KEEPING WITH, UH, STATE REQUIRED TIMELINES FOR WHEN YOU HAVE TO CALL THE ELECTION BY THE COUNCIL THAT NEED TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, I HAVE TO FORMERLY CALL THAT ELECTION. AND SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO WE ALREADY HAD LENGTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ITEM ALREADY, YOU KNOW, UM, APPARENTLY THEY, UH, GOVERNOR STAY WITH WHAT'S THE SPECIAL ELECTION DAY. YOU ONLY FIND THE ELECTION DATE ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2020. SO ANY MORE CONVERSATION ON THIS, IF NOT, DO I HAVE MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO, UM, HOLD THE, UH, CHARTER ELECTION AT THE NEXT UNIFORM ELECTION DATE, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 3RD, 20, 20 A SECOND. SO THAT WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE CONTAINED IN THE COUNCIL PACKET, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THAT QUATRO? YES. YOUR MOTION. OKAY. SO PAUL MADE A MOTION, TOM SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS, SAY AYE, OPPOSE, WELL [7. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Authorizing the Issuance of Town of Addison, Texas, General Obligation Bonds, Series 2020.] [8. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Authorizing the Issuance of Town of Addison, Texas, General Obligation Refunding Bonds, Taxable Series 2020.] ITEM SEVEN PRESENT, DISCUSS THEM. CONSIDER ACTION ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF POWER, ADDISON, TEXAS GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SURREY 20, 20. SO LESS. YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SOME BEFORE WE DISCUSS THIS MAYOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO INTRODUCE NICK GOULASH. HE'S OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR. YOU WORK WITH OUR STAFF TO PREPARE FOR TODAY'S BOND SALE AND ALSO OUR BOND REFINANCING. AND I'M HAPPY TO TURN THE TIME OVER IT AGAIN, TO REPORT ON THE OUTCOME OF TODAY'S EVENTS. SO THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD NEWS TODAY. SO, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO SMILE FIRST. CAN, CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. UM, I'M GOING TO TRY TO SHARE MY SCREEN HERE. UM, BEAR WITH ME. CAN YOU, CAN YOU SEE THAT? NOT YET. NOT YET. OKAY. SORRY. IT'S A LONG STORY. UM, MY WIFE'S COMPUTER, SO SHE HAS A MR. NICK. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NICK GOULASH WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES AND ALSO ON I SAW WAS JULIE PARTAIN WITH BRACEWELL, THE TOWN'S BOND COUNCIL. AND, UH, JUST WANTED TO REPORT ON THIS SELL OF THE TOWN'S BONDS TODAY. UH, WE SOLD TWO BOND ISSUES, GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS WITH THE PAR AMOUNT OF 13 MILLION, SIX 35. IT'S NOT FUZZY MATH THAT ACTUALLY FUNDS OVER $15 MILLION OF VOTER AUTHORIZATION. AND, UM, AND I'LL GET TO HOW THAT WORKS HERE IN A MINUTE. [02:20:01] AND THEN THE TOWN ALSO SOLD, UH, VIA COMPETITIVE SELL GENERAL OBLIGATION, REFUNDING BONDS, TAXABLE BONDS TO REFUND TAX EXEMPT DEBT. YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE JOBS CUT, UM, ACT THAT WAS APPROVED THE TAX AND JOBS CUT ACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP, UM, AND 2017 OUTLAWED ADVANCED REFUNDINGS FROM, UM, FOR, TO BE DONE ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS. SO NOW, BECAUSE RATES ARE SO LOW, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO REFUND A REFINANCE BONDS ON A, ON A TAXABLE BASIS. UH, ANOTHER THING TO POINT OUT HERE ON THE COVER IS THAT THE TOWN'S RATINGS WERE BOTH AFFIRMED AT AAA BY MOODY'S AND AAA BY STANDARD AND POOR'S, WHICH MAKES THE TOWN ONE OF 11 CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT HAS THAT RATING COMBINATION. UM, AND JUST NOT TO GET INTO THE RATING. I HAVE THEM IN HERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE TOO MANY PAGES TO GO THROUGH, UM, WORD BY WORD LINE BY LINE. BUT I THINK, UM, THE TOWN SHOULD BE ESPECIALLY PROUD. GIVEN THE RATING AGENCIES ARE LOOKING THROUGH EVERYTHING WITH THE NEGATIVE LENS DUE TO COVID IN FACT STANDARD AND POOR'S HAS PUT BASICALLY ALL SECTORS ON NEGATIVE OUTLOOK. SO, UM, THE TOWN WAS NOT NECESSARILY FIGHTING AN UPHILL BATTLE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T THE EASY CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, TO GO FORWARD WITH A RATING, UH, ANALYSIS DURING THIS TIME. BUT OF COURSE IT'S A SIMILAR AS THE LAST TIME STRONG MANAGEMENT, STRONG FINANCES, STRONG RESERVES, STRONG, UH, ECONOMY AND STRONG DEMOGRAPHICS WAS ALL THE REOCCURRING THEME BY BOTH, BOTH, UM, RATING AGENCIES. UM, FIRST OFF WE TOOK BIDS AT 10 O'CLOCK FOR THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND WAS LIKE, I'M SORRY, REAL QUICK. COULD YOU MOVE THAT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT? CAUSE UH, THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND THE TOWN RECEIVED FIVE BIDS WITH THE WINNING BIDDER BEING J P MORGAN SECURITIES AT 1.4, ZERO 6%, UM, TURNING TO THE NEXT PAGE HERE, WE HAVE THE FINAL DEBT SERVICE AND WE ALLOW, WE ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY TO RE AMORTIZE THE TRANSACTION AFTER THE BID. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE COUPONS THAT THEY USE, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HIT OUR DEBT SERVICE CONSTRAINTS. AND SO THIS IS THE FINAL DEBT SERVICE AND YOU COULD LOOK AT, UM, AND IT'S JUST SUMMED UP ON A, ON A FISCAL YEAR BASIS, UH, 20 YEAR BONDS, MATURE INTEREST COSTS AFTER THE ORGANIZATION'S 1.39, 9%. AND YOU MAY SAY, WELL, HOW IN THE WORLD IS OUR BORROWING COSTS 1.39, 9% WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE COUPON RATES AND I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING LESS THAN 2%. WELL, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS J P MORGAN ACTUALLY BOUGHT YOUR BONDS 13 MILLION, SIX 35 AND FOR AN ADDITIONAL $1.6 MILLION IN PREMIUM. SO BASICALLY THEY PAID OVER $15 MILLION TO BUY $13.6 MILLION OF THE TOWN'S BONDS BECAUSE, UM, BRAKES ARE SO LOW. THEY'RE SO MUCH LOWER THAN THE COUPONS THAT GENERATED A LOT OF PREMIUM ON THE TRANSACTION. IT'S, IT'S KIND OF INSIDE BASEBALL, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE BONDS ARE PRICED RIGHT NOW WITH RATES BEING. SO, AND, UM, ONE THING I MEANT TO SAY IS GETTING INTO THESE ITEMS. I WAS GOING TO COVER ITEM SEVEN AND ITEM EIGHT AT THE SAME TIME, UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO STOP RIGHT HERE AND, AND, AND TAKE A VOTE AND THEN GOOD. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? YOU KNOW, LET ME READ ITEM EIGHT. THEN WHEN YOU FINISH INTRODUCE EVERYTHING, THEN WE VOTE SEPARATELY. HOW SISTER? YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PRESENT, DISCUSS CONSIDER ACTION ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF THUMP, ADDISON, TEXAS GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS TEXTS, TAXABLE SERIES 2020. GO AHEAD. YEAH. NICK IS SIR. AND SO COVERING THE TAXABLE REFUNDING. THIS IS THE BID TAB. WE TOOK BIDS ON THE REFUNDING. 30 MINUTES LATER THIS MORNING, THE, UH, THE TOWN RECEIVED NINE BIDS WITH THE LOW BID BEING UMB BANK. AT 1.1, 1%. UH, THE RATE ON THE TAX WILL BILL IS LOWER BECAUSE THE TERM OF THE DEBT IS EIGHT YEARS. UH, SHORTER. THE FINAL DEBT SERVICE IS SHOWN HERE. IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO MIMIC THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS OF THE BONDS THAT WERE REFUNDING. SO AGAIN, THE FINAL TRUE INTEREST COSTS AFTER THE IS 1.109%. [02:25:02] AND IF YOU, UM, THE BONDS THAT WE REFUNDED OR REFINANCED, OR THE 2012 GEO REFUNDING IMPROVEMENT BONDS AND THE 2013 GEO BONDS, SOMETHING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT THE AVERAGE COUPON OF THE REFUNDED BONDS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM PART OF THAT PAGE, IT'S 4.3, 6%. SO WE WERE PLEASED. WE REPLACED 4.3, 6% DEBT WITH 1.1% DEBT, YOU KNOW, JUST SAVINGS. YES, SIR. GREAT SAVINGS. SO HERE, HERE ARE THE ACTUAL SAVINGS. UM, THE LEFT LEFT HAND COLUMN IS THE PRIOR DEBT SERVICE. THAT'S WHAT REFUNDED THE REEF FUNDING DEBT SERVICE COLUMN UP AT THE TOP THAT REPRESENTS THE NEW PAYMENTS. THE SAVINGS ARE ON THE FAR, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN SEE ABOUT $160,000 PER YEAR. UM, AND THEN FOR A TOTAL OF A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION, AND THAT'S JUST THAT SERVICE SAVINGS, INTEREST SAVINGS AS A RESULT OF THE REFINANCING, UH, AT THE VERY BOTTOM PRESENT, PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS, PERCENTAGE OF REFUNDED BONDS IS OVER 15% TYPICALLY IF THAT'S OVER THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, IT'S WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION SOMEWHERE WELL ABOVE THAT. UM, AND THEN, UM, FINALLY I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE AND SHOW YOU KIND OF WHERE THESE BOND SELLS STAND IN RELATION TO SOME OF THE TOWN'S PREVIOUS BOND SELLS. SO ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I WAS BEFORE YOU SELLING THE 2019 CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THIRD ROW DOWN AT A 2.3, 1%. AND I REMEMBER JUST BEING A STATIC BECAUSE IT WAS A FULL PERCENTAGE POINT LOWER THAN WHERE WE SOLD IN 2019. IF YOU LOOK JUST BELOW IT AT THREE 30 AND HERE WE ARE TODAY, WE'RE ALMOST NEARLY A FULL PERCENTAGE POINT LOWER ON THE, ON THE GEO BONDS AT A 1.39, 9%. AND I JUST, I WAS TELLING, UM, WEST EARLIER TODAY THAT I, I, I'M STILL, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND SELLING BONDS 20 YEAR DEBT WITH A, WITH A 1% HANDLE ON THEM. UM, IT'S, UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS AND IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO FATHOM ABOUT HOW ABSOLUTELY LOW RATES ARE AT THIS TIME. THAT'S ERIC. WE HAVE A GOOD STAFF. ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE RIGHT. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. AND AGAIN, THE NEXT PAGES OF THIS ARE JUST THE RATING REPORTS AND OBVIOUSLY THIS ISN'T THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THEM AND I'M HAPPY TO, TO PROVIDE THOSE TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO READ THEM, UH, UH, WORD BY WORD OR PAGE BY PAGE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE TRANSACTION AND VERY HAPPY CONSIDERING IT BLEW THROUGH ALL OF OUR PROJECTIONS THAT WE HAD BEEN RUNNING WITH. AND, UM, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, JULIE PERTAIN FROM BRACEWELL IS ON THE CALL AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NICK, JULIE, I JUST WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A GOOD FINANCIAL POLICY, THE STABLE GOVERNMENT, BUT WITHOUT YOUR PROFESSIONAL IS JUST WATER HAPPENED. SO NEVER HEARD 1.1%, YOU KNOW, INTEREST FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, WAY WE ALL CAN GET THIS LOW. THANK YOU. HEY NICK, THIS IS MARLIN WILLISON. UM, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY THAT ON THE REFUNDING BONDS, WE, UH, BY DOING THAT, WE SAVE 1.2 MILLION ROUGHLY, UH, YOU, YOU SAVED A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION. OH, HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SAVINGS SCHEDULE THAT 160,000 PER YEAR FOR A TOTAL OF, UM, 2 MILLION, $22,740. WOW. THAT'S GREAT. WES. I WAS THINKING WE WERE, WE WERE PROJECTING LIKE A $900,000 SAVINGS. IS THAT, AM I CORRECT? IN THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY PROJECTING CLOSER TO 800,000 AND WE BLEW THAT OUT OF THE WATER. WOW. THAT'S AWESOME. NICK, THANK YOU. WHEN, WHEN COULD WE REFINANCE ANY OTHERS? IT'S A WAYS OUT, RIGHT. WELL, YOU KNOW, ON A, ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS, YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITHIN 90 DAYS OF, UH, THE CALL DATE, THE, THE TOWN DOES HAVE SOME CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SERIES 2012 THAT ARE CALLABLE IN FEBRUARY, 2022 THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LOWER COUPONS THAT WE DIDN'T PICK UP IN THIS BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, [02:30:01] WE'LL CONSIDER TO MONITOR ALL POSSIBILITIES GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THIS RATE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN. AND WE JUST KEEP CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE SEEM TO BE GRINDING LOWER AND LOWER AS, UM, AS TIME GOES ON. ANIMAL COMMENT, IF NO COMMENT CAN WAVE, DID THEY RAISE SOME MOTION FOR ITEM SEVEN? SO MOVED SECOND LAWYER WARD MET EMOTION. MANUEL SAYS MEDICINE SECOND, ALL YOU FAVOR TO OPPOSE US SAY I BUY I'LL POSE. OKAY. FOUGHT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. DO I HAVE MOTION? I SECOND. SO GUILLERMO MADE A MOTION AND A MODERN WILSON. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSE. THANK YOU, NICK. THANK YOU, JULIE. GREAT JOB. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL, SO PROUD OF YOU AS I, AS YOU'LL CAN SAVE US SOME MONEY AND TO MAKE MORE MONEY, WE FEEL SO PROUD. THAT'S ALL IT TAKES. IT'S NOT POLITICS. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I GOT IT BACK. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER [9. Present, Discuss and Consider Action on Change Order #2 to the Contract with JC Commercial, Inc. for Costs Related to Unforeseen Site Conditions for the United States Customs and Border Protection Facility at Addison Airport and Authorize the City Manager to Execute the Change Order in an Amount Not to Exceed $141,881.10. ] NINE. PRESENTED DOES CONSIDER ACTION ON CHANGE YOUR ORDER. NUMBER TWO TO THE CONTRACT WITH JESSE COMMERCIAL, INC FOR COSTS RELATING TO TWO AND FOUR, SEEING SET OF CONDITIONS FOR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION FACILITY AT A ST. ALPORT AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CHANGE ORDER AND AMONG NOT TO EXCEED $141,881, 10 CENTS. AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS IS JOEL JENKINS, THE MADISON AIRPORT DIRECTOR. THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING IN JULY AND WAS TABLED AT THAT POINT. A AND STAFF WORK WITH MARK TO BRING YOU SOME ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS YOU HAD ON THAT. WE ARE BRINGING IT BACK TIME. UH, ALSO ON THIS MEETING IS SOME OF OUR CONSULTANT REPRESENTATIVES. WE HAVE MITCHELL MCANALLY FROM GARBER, WHO IS THE ENGINEERING REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACT. AND WE ALSO REPRESENTING THE ARCHITECTS PAGE THAN PAGE A. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I CAN DEFER TO THEM, UH, OR, UH, SHANNON HICKS, OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS ALSO BEEN INVOLVED IN ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS MAY, OR THIS IS GQ. I, UM, I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE PULLED TOGETHER. UH, WE JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED IT AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND, UH, GETTING EVERYONE TOGETHER AT ONE TIME IS NOT THE EASIEST THING TO DO, BUT WITHOUT HAVING ADDITIONAL TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ANSWERS AND HAVE SOME COACHING QUESTIONS AND A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, I'M LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM SET, GET THAT. CAN I ASK, DOES IT CAUSE ISSUES IF IT'S TABLED? YES. CAN YOU COMMENT? SURE. WE'VE GOT AN CONTRACTOR WHO'S EITHER PERFORMED WORK OR WAITING TO PERFORM WORK AND NEEDS TO GET THIS RESOLVED BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. IT CAN'T WAIT TWO WEEKS. IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY WAITED SEVERAL WEEKS. YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS WITHOUT A THOROUGHLY INFORMED. I WOULD SUSPECT. OH NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND LET'S, LET'S KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE, I KNOW THIS ISN'T PERFECT. WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN CONVERSATION BEFORE THE VOTE, THE MOTION TO TABLE. OH, I, I, I THINK WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PERIOD. IF THEY CAN MAKE IT THAT THEY CAN. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. AND NOBODY'S SECONDED. SO [02:35:03] WE CAN OUR DISCUSSION THOUGH, RIGHT NOW. SURE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE PAST THE MOTION. I'VE GOT A MOTION, BUT CAN WE STILL DISCUSS, WE CAN DISCUSS IT NOW BEFORE I CAUGHT. YEAH. SO WHO IS GOING TO EXPLAIN? SURE. I WOULD. I GUESS WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, I'LL, I'LL START ADDRESSING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. MAYBE THERE'S A SPECIFIC QUESTION WE WOULDN'T WANT TO START WITH, BUT I'M HAPPY TO START ADDRESSING THE QUESTIONS AND I'LL FOCUS ON THIS QUESTION. THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE ACTUAL CHANGE ORDERS. THERE WAS ANOTHER ROUND OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED THAT WERE RELATED TO THE PROCESS THAT IS USED TO MANAGE THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION PROCESS, UH, ON THE, THE OVERALL PROJECT. SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE AND YOU PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THOSE. SO ONE QUESTION WAS, UM, RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO, UH, HOW NTTA WAS INVOLVED IN THE OVERALL PROJECT. UM, THERE WERE, UM, ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND REFERENCES TO WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN SOME OF THE REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION. UM, WHAT WERE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WERE, WHAT WERE, WHAT WERE THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHY AND WHEN WERE THEY ADDED AND, UM, UH, AND, AND ASKING FOR A REQUEST TO SEE ANY UPDATED SPECIFICATION AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. SO, UH, RELATED TO NTTA PARTICIPATION IN THIS, THE EXISTING NTTA, UH, UM, IRRIGATION SYSTEM WAS IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT WAS THE PROPOSED WATER LINE REPLACEMENT AND THE PARKING LOTS AT THE CUSTOMER'S FACILITY. SO THE RELOCATION OF THESE IRRIGATION LINES WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL BID DOCUMENTS. HOWEVER, UPON MEETING WITH NTTA AT THE START OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, STAFF WAS MADE AWARE OF THE NEW REQUIREMENTS, THEN THE TOWN, THE TOWN WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PLACING RELOCATED COMPONENTS THAT, UH, WITH THOSE THAT MET ALL OF THE NCTA REQUIREMENT OR KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME, WHEN IN RE IN, IN, IN ORIGINALLY THE, AS BID DESIGN INTENDED ONLY TO HAVE, UM, THE RELOCATED ITEMS REPLACED IN KIND. SO IT WASN'T, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF, OF A DIFFERENT STANDARD RELATED TO THE, THE REPLACEMENT ITEMS. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS, UH, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WAS ADDED BY NCTA. UM, THE, THIS, THE NCTA ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THE, UH, AND ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS HERE, UH, THAT HAPPENED AT THE INITIAL SITE COORDINATION. SO WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE EVERYTHING STARTED. WE LEARNED ABOUT IT AS EVERYTHING WAS GETTING STARTED. AND AS, UH, IN ORDER TO DOCUMENT ALL OF, OF THAT, UM, THE, UH, NTTA PROVIDED US WITH THEIR, UH, DESIGN, UH, STATE OR THEIR DESIGN CRITERIA CRITERIA MANUAL THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE OVERALL PROJECT, UH, UH, DOCUMENTATION. SO THAT, THAT WAS, SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE, WHAT WOULD BE GOVERNING THE DECISION MAKING, UM, AND, AND VALIDATE ANYTHING THAT WAS BEING REQUESTED. UM, NOW THE REQUIREMENTS, LIKE I MENTIONED, WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, UH, DOCUMENTS, BUT WERE ADDED IT OR ADDED AFTER THE FACT, AND AS THE CONTRACTOR WAS DOING WORK, THERE WAS A COMPONENT OF THE CONTRACT THAT WOULD ALLOW US, YOU KNOW, OUR CONTRACTOR TO REUSE, UM, IRRIGATION SYSTEM COMPONENTS. HOWEVER THAT WHEN THEY WERE DOING THEIR, THEIR DEMOLITION WORK, THEY DAMAGED SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS. AND WHEN THEY INITIALLY ASKED TO, TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT COST COVERED, UH, STAFF, UH, BASICALLY BACKED OUT THAT COST, UM, FROM WHAT WAS FROM THE DEBT BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE. AND SO IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT THE CONTRACTOR THEMSELVES. SO THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION RELATED TO NTTA. WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT? SO THE NTTA REQUIREMENTS WERE ADDED TO THE CONTRACT AS AN ADDENDUM. UH, HOW, HOW ARE THEY ADDING TO THE CONTRACT? THAT'S THIS IS THE QUESTION. HOW WAS IT, HOW WAS IT ADDED AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE DOCUMENTS ARE CONCERNED? CAN YOU TELL US, YOU'RE ASKING WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT ALLOW THE CONTRACT TO BE AMENDED? SURE. YES. IT'S CHANGE ORDER [02:40:01] CHANGE ORDER. ONE IS WHAT IS AMENDING THE CONTRACT. WE, THE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, STAFF MET WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND GAVE HIM THE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION OF THE COMPONENTS AND REQUESTED PRICING BACK, WHAT WAS THE ADDITIONAL COST? THAT'S THE COST THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS CHANGE ORDER CHANGE ORDER ONE THAT WAS SIGNED BACK, I THINK LAST YEAR, SOMETIME I THINK IT WAS AN EIGHT KNOW IT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR, WAY EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO, SO THE, THE CHANGE ORDER IS THE MECHANISM TO CHANGE THAT IT WAS DISCOVERED AFTER THE VISIT AND RECEIVED THIS ISSUE. IT WAS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT WHEN CONSTRUCTION WAS BID WAS THE BEGINNING. AND THE COORDINATION MEETING HAPPENED BETWEEN NTTA TOWN STAFF AND THE CONTRACTS. SO THE, SO THE ISSUE WAS DISCOVERED AND WAS IT THEN ELEVATED TO, UM, CAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THIS WENT THROUGH A RFI PROCESS, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN ASK MITCHELL TO SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF, OF WHAT DOCUMENTS, BUT NORMALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THERE WOULD BE SOME DOCUMENTATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE ENGINEER ARCHITECT AND THE CONTRACTOR TO GET THE PRICING. UH, MITCHELL IS ONLINE. UH, MITCHELL, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? YES, MAYOR COUNCIL'S ON KEY FOR A YEAR, YOUR TIME ON THIS ISSUE, THE, THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS IS ANYTIME THERE'S A ISSUE ON SITE, WE ASK THE CONTRACTOR TO DOCUMENT THESE ISSUES THROUGH A FORMAL RFI PROCESS. SO THAT WAY ALL PARTIES KNOW WHAT'S ON THE TABLE WITH RESPECT TO ANY ISSUE. SO THERE'S NOTHING HIDDEN FROM THE PROJECT TEAM AT THAT TIME. THAT'S WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR PRICING FOR THESE ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS THAT WAS REQUESTED BY NTTA. AND IT WAS FURTHER EVALUATED TO DETERMINE IF IT WAS VALID PRICING FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO, SO THE CONTRACTOR NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A CHALLENGE HERE, THIS, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR IRRIGATION AND THEY ELEVATED IT OR ASKED THE QUESTION, UH, BASED OR USING THE RFI PROCESS. AND THE RESPONSE TO THAT WAS LETTING THEM KNOW TO MAY PROVIDE US A COST FOR IT SO THAT WE CAN ADD IT AND GET IT INTO THE CONTRACT. YEAH, CORRECT. SO WE ACTUALLY INITIALLY MET ON SITE AND THIS IS WHERE WE DOCUMENTED THE ISSUES AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A FORMAL DOCUMENT CONTROL PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THE SHOW'S ASSOCIATED WITH IMPLEMENTING THE ENTITY IRRIGATION REPAIRS FROM THAT THEY SUBMITTED THE RFI. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE REVIEW THE REQUIREMENTS AND COMPARED THEM TO THE NTTA DESIGNED IRRIGATION REQUIREMENTS. AND ONCE WE WERE CONCURRENCE, WE AGREED WITH THE PROPOSAL THEY SUBMITTED WAS IN LINE WITH THE MARKET CONDITIONS. AND ALSO WITH WET NTTA WAS REQUESTED, THEN THE FORMAL APPROVAL WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO THAT'S WHEN WE, UH, JC, UH, THEY RECEIVED A, UH, YOU KNOW, QUOTE FROM, FROM ELITE LANDSCAPING LANDSCAPE, ELITE LANDSCAPE, AND SENT US THE, OR, OR PROVIDED THAT QUOTE AS A PROPOSAL, CORRECT. UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS WEST OR SHANNON OR OFF THE POINT THERE'S ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR PROPOSAL. THAT WAS, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FACTORED INTO THEIR ORIGINAL BID THAT SIMPLY WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING A DOUBLE DIP AT THE TOWNS, DOUBLE PANE ON ITEMS. SO THAT'S WHY IN THE RFI RESPONSE, YOU'LL SEE BASICALLY A STRIKE THROUGH, ON ITEMS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THEIR ORIGINAL BID. THAT'S GOOD. UM, SO MY QUESTION THERE THEN WOULD BE, IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE, WE HA WE TOOK THE JC, TOOK THESE ITEMS THAT THEY PURCHASED FOR US, MARKED THEM UP AND THEN SENT THEM ON TO N HANDED THEM OVER TO NTTA. UH, THEY DID NOT ACT FOR INSTALLATION BY THEM. I N T NO. LET ME, LET ME ASK THE NEXT ANSWER, THE NEXT QUESTION ON THE DOCUMENT. SO PLEASE, THIS IS A PERFECT SEGUE. SO THE QUESTION WAS, PLEASE, PLEASE EXPLAIN THE MARKUP DOCUMENT FROM ELITE LANDSCAPE. WHY ARE WE PURCHASING MARK ITEMS FROM JC COMMERCIAL TO HAND OVER TO IT, TO THE NCTA EXPLAIN HOW THE NTTA IS INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, WHO WAS THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT ON PAGE ONE 88? AND THAT'S THE, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, UM, UH, THE, WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT SO THE, SO THE, THE ACTUAL MARKUP ITEM THAT, THAT WAS JUST EXPLODED, DESCRIBED, THAT WAS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED BY JC COMMERCIAL, THE BACKUP, THEIR COST CLAIMS FOR THE IRRIGATION COMPONENTS AND THE ITEMS THAT WERE [02:45:01] STRUCK THROUGH WERE THE ONES THAT GARBER IS OUR TARGET IS THE TOWN'S PROJECT MANAGER DETERMINED SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL PRICING, AND THEREFORE WERE DENIED AS PART OF THE CHANGE ORDER REQUEST, THE MARKUP, THE ACTUAL PROFIT FROM THE ITEMS THAT WERE PURCHASED FROM ELITE, UH, FOR THAT ALL IS PART OF THE INCREASE IN CONTRACT AMOUNT THAT COVERS THE GENERAL CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH NEW ITEMS AT WORK. RIGHT? SO ANYTIME WE, WE, WE, WE WORKED THROUGH A CONTRACTOR TO GET SOME KIND OF A, A SERVICE THERE. THEY ARE GOING TO MARK UP THAT AND PASS THAT COST ALONG TO US. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY QUESTION HERE IS, DID THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? THAT THEY PASSED THE GOOD SHANNON. YOU WERE GOING TO SAY ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS, THEY DIDN'T JUST HAND THEM OFF. WELL, I KNOW, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY YOU'RE ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION. DID WE GET CHARGED A MARKUP FOR, FOR THESE BUYING THESE COMPONENTS? AND THE ANSWER IS YES. NOW WE, THERE, THERE WAS A PLAN THAT WE AT ONE TIME WERE GOING TO GET THAT INFER THAT ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS TO NTTA TO DO THE INSTALLATION THEMSELVES, BUT OUR CONTRACTOR ENDED UP DOING THAT INSTEAD. SO THAT NEVER HAPPENED. SO GIVING IT TO NTTA NEVER HAPPENED. WE JUST TOOK CARE OF THE WORK AS PART OF THE, THE WORK THAT DOES AS PART OF THE, UM, UH, THE EFFORTS THAT JC COMMERCIAL WE'RE DOING IN THE AREA AT THE TIME. WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. UH, WELL, IT'S CONFUSING HAS THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL RECEIVED, WHERE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO AUTHORIZE OR ACCEPT THIS, AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GIVEN STILL TELLS US THAT THIS WAS DELIVERED, UH, TO NTTA. SO YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ANSWERING THE CONCERN THERE. SO IS THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T DO IT FOR? WHY DID WE CHANGE THE, WHY DID YOU CHANGE THE, THE EFFORT THERE? WHY, WHY WAS IT, WHY DID THE, WHY DID JC MITCHELL, I DON'T KNOW IF MITCHELL OR SHANNON OR THE BEST PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YEAH. FROM THE STANDPOINT VIA THE CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE ALTERNATIVE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE LANDSCAPING FOR NTTA ONCE THEY DAMAGE THE COMPONENTS OF THEIR LINES. SO ONCE THEIR LINE WENT OUT OF SERVICE, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT THE PLANTS AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE TOLL TUNNEL, UM, REMAIN IN PROPER, UM, THAT THEY'RE STILL ACTUALLY ALIVE TO SAY THE LEAST. UH, SO THEY'RE INCENTIVIZED TO GET THIS WORK COMPLETED, CAUSE, UH, ANY PLANTS THAT MAY HAVE DIED BECAUSE THE IRRIGATION LINE BEING OUT OF SERVICE, THE CONTRACTOR IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT REPLACEMENT. I KNOW WE HAVE A CRACK, UH, IRRIGATION STAFF, PEOPLE ON OUR STAFF THAT CAN DO THIS. SO HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT, UH, PROVIDING PURCHASING ITEMS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY PURCHASE THROUGH OUR, OUR PURCHASING PROCESS IN HOUSE AND, AND DELIVER RATHER THAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU AGREE WITH? WELL, NOT IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS CASE, BUT THIS WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE CONTRACT. IF THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING, IF THIS WAS, IF THIS WAS WORK, THAT WAS NOT BEING PART OF, IT WAS NOT BEING DONE AS PART OF A CONTRACT AND SOMETHING HAPPENED AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT. WE WOULD CERTAINLY UTILIZE OUR IN HOUSE RESOURCES FIRST IN THIS CASE. AND HAVE WE DONE THAT IN THE PAST? AND HAVE WE DONE THAT IN THE PAST? UH, YEAH. I MEAN OUR, OUR, OUR IRRIGATORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, PEOPLE LIKE THAT, OUR STAFF HAS DONE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO TAKE CARE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT THERE, IF IT'S AT THAT, THAT WOULD BE GENERALLY SOMETHING THAT'S SEPARATE FROM A, A, A, A CONTRACT FOR WHATEVER WORK WE'RE DOING. SO IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE HERE, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT INSERT OUR EMPLOYEES TO DO THE WORK THAT WE PAY THE CONTRACTOR TO DO. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THE LAST QUESTION WAS ON THAT, BUT I DIDN'T ANSWER, I'M SORRY. IT SAID, WHO IS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR WHO SIGNED THE AGREEMENT ON PAGE ONE 88. THIS WAS LISA PILES WHO SIGNED THAT WHILE SHE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS DONE WHEN SHE WAS STILL HERE. THE QUESTION CAME UP BECAUSE I GUESS ON PAGE ONE 88, LET ME LOOK HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BRING THAT UP OR NOT [02:50:01] FROM THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FROM LAST MONTH OR OVER THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. WAS IT, WAS IT THE ATTACHMENT TITLE CHANGE ORDER ONE OR CHANGE ORDER TWO? I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. LET'S SEE. I'M S I'M ASSUMING IT WAS CHANGE ORDER ONE THAT WAS SIGNED ON JANUARY 28TH, 2020. CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW THAT TO US? UH, LET ME GIVE ME A SECOND. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT. I'M GOING TO, OOPS. EXCUSE ME. OOPS. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO THEY'RE WITH ME PLEASE. OKAY. I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN HERE. SHARE CONTENT, SHARE SCREEN, START BROADCAST. ALRIGHT. CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY SCREEN? YEP. SO THIS IS THE CHANGE ORDER. NUMBER ONE, DATED FEBRUARY 28, 2020, RIGHT. AND IT GOES THROUGH AND EXPLAINS THE THINGS RELATED TO THE NTTA ITEM. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOT LISA FILE SIGNATURES. JUST THE DOCUMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS THE DOCUMENT I KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP SPECIFICALLY. THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION HERE ON FOR THIS, FOR THIS ITEM. IF YOU'LL SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, SORRY, IT'S THIS ACTUALLY THE SIGNATURES I WANT TO SEE. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT HERE IS MAYBE ASK A QUESTION. I'M, I'M FINDING THAT AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SOME TIME NOW THAT I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE CITY THAT I JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO BEFORE WHEN I WASN'T AS INVOLVED. BUT WHAT, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S KIND OF A COMMON THREAD THAT I'M FINDING. AND I FIND IT IN MY OWN, IN MY OWN WORK SITE, IN THE INDUSTRY THAT I'M IN IS THAT WE GET PEOPLE HERE IN THE, IN THE MAKING DECISIONS AND SIGNING OFF ON AGREEMENTS LIKE THIS. AND ALL WE'RE GETTING IS ALL WE'RE GETTING IS THERE IS THEIR SIGNATURE. AND IN FACT, IN SOME CASES, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOOD PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T DO THEIR JOB. CAUSE I CAN'T READ THE WRITING. SO, UH, THIS IS MARSHALL SIGNATURE. YES. IT LOOKS LIKE THE ENGINEER'S SIGNATURE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. THAT ONE. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S MY SIGNATURE. I PROBABLY AM ONE OF THOSE FAULTS. SO, SO MY, MY CRITICISM HERE IS THAT I THINK, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND ADD SOME TRANSPARENCY TO OUR PROCESSES, WHICH WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF OUR GOAL STANDARD IN SERVICES IS THAT WE HAVE, WE ADD A PRINTED PR EITHER HAVE THESE PEOPLE PRINT THEIR NAME OR WE PROVIDE IT ON THE DOCUMENT SO THAT THERE'S NO HAVING TO REMEMBER GAS OR HEY, YEAH, I WAS ON THIS PROJECT. CAUSE I'M NOT SAYING THAT THESE PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS, BUT NOBODY KNOWS WHO IT IS IN MANY CASES. IS IT ON THERE? ARE THERE POLICIES WITHIN THE TOWN LAST THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A POLICY THAT REQUIRES A PRINTED NAME UNDER THE NEED, THE SIGNATURE BLOCK, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN DO, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ANSWERING QUESTIONS. EXACTLY. AND OF COURSE YOU'RE, LIKE I SAID, [02:55:01] SO IS I CAN'T READ DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE IF I GET THESE PRINTED ON HERE, IS THAT WHAT'S IS THAT'S WHAT IS THAT? WHAT'S HOLDING THIS UP. NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S, THIS IS JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT FROM WHAT I'M SEEING FOR OUR, FOR OUR, UH, UH, TRANSPARENCY. NO, THAT'S NOT HOLDING THIS UP GOOD POINT. I THINK THAT WHAT GQ IS GETTING AT AND I MEAN, I DO IT, I DO IT ALL THE TIME WITH DELIVERIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO JOB SITES. I KNOW UPS DOES IT WHEN I CAN'T READ MY SIGNATURE BECAUSE ON MINE IS THE WORST OF ANY WORST. MANY OF THESE PEOPLE THEY SAY, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, PRINT YOUR NAME AS WELL ON THERE. JUST SO THAT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IF SOMEBODY'S GOT TO COME BACK TO LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT, WE'RE NOT GUESSING WHO WAS AROUND TO TALK TO ABOUT A CERTAIN THING. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A, IT'S JUST SORT OF A, IT'S KIND OF A PROCESS THING. AND I DON'T, I THINK IT IS EASY TO DO. JUST PRINT THE NAME UNDERNEATH THE SIGNATURE AND THEN WE KNOW IN THE FUTURE. SURE. IT'S NOT HOLDING UP THIS. IT JUST IT'S A PROCESS KIND OF A QUESTION, RIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY DOCUMENTS THAT ANYONE HERE ON COUNCIL THAT SIGNS WHERE, WHERE OUR NAME ISN'T PRINTED OR TYPED IN WE'RE FORTUNATE AND THAT SOMEBODY ELSE DOES IT FOR US OBVIOUSLY. BUT I THINK IT ADDS A LAYER OF TRANSPARENCY, JUST LIKE A MAYO ON A SIGN OR CITY MEN NEED TO SIGN. AND THEN CITY ATTORNEY, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE NAME TREND BELOW, BELOW THE LINE. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO EVEN 30 YEARS FROM NOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO SIGNED UP. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ARGUE WITH THIS TODAY, BUT I THINK I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD ARGUE WITH IT. NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. MY QUESTION IS IS WHY IS THIS HOLDING UP A CHANGE ORDER? IT'S NOT THIS ISN'T, THIS IS NOT THE SPECIFIC THING THAT MAY BE HOLDING IT UP, BUT WE DON'T KNOW. CAUSE I GOT THIS 53 PAGES, UH, AN HOUR INTO OUR MEETING. SURE. RIGHT. ACTUALLY, YOU HAD THIS ACTUALLY HAD THIS INFORMATION. ACTUALLY. YOU HAD THIS INFORMATION ON THIS 14 BEFORE THE 14TH OF JULY. I HAD WHAT INFORMATION, THESE DOCUMENTS THAT I'M SHOWING ON MY SCREEN. YES. BUT THE ANT, THE QUESTIONS WERE NOT ANSWERED FOR THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION, YOU'RE BRINGING THIS UP SEPARATE RIGHT NOW, THIS ISN'T, THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION. AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WEATHER WEATHER, UH, EXCEPT THIS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE ORDER OR NOT. THIS IS A COMMENT AND I HOPE YOU TAKE IT IN, IN GOOD FAITH. SURE. BUT, BUT I GUESS I'M TRYING TO ALSO FOCUS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET, GET THIS MOVING FORWARD. WELL, THIS IS MY OPPORTUNITY TO YEAH. ASK. SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. OKAY. WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS, ON THIS, ON THAT, ON THIS DOCUMENT? IRRIGATION MASTER CONTROL VALVE REPLACEMENT? NO. OKAY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. I WILL STOP SHARING MY SCREEN. J J Q DO THEY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? THERE ARE MORE, THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. THERE'S THERE ARE 53 PAGES THAT WILL BE DELIVERED TO US AT EIGHT O'CLOCK THIS EVENING. DO WE GO PRETTY FAR TO TABLE THIS AS A SHOW? THE MOTION YOU'LL MAKE WHEN, AS THE CONTRACT START DATE, WHEN IS THIS WHEN IT IS SO THE WAY I HAD A MOTION AND SECOND ON TABLE. SO IF YOU ON TABLE, THIS W ACTUALLY CALL THE ROLL. WELL, WAIT A SECOND. YOU KNOW, LOOK, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS HERE. WE CAN, UM, ALLOW GQ AND TOM IN PARTICULAR AND ALL OF US IN GENERAL TO REVIEW THE QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWERS. AND, BUT THAT'S GOING TO COST US TWO WEEKS OF TIME. IN THE MEANTIME NOTHING'S HAPPENING. AND THE CITY MANAGER IS, IS RIGHTFULLY, UH, ANXIOUS TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD AS AM I HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT GQ IS ASKING, I'M NOT SURE. AND I KNOW TOM HAS SOME ALSO LOOK, THERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE MOST PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE [03:00:01] AMONGST ALL OF US. AND, AND SO IF, IF MY ENGINEER COLLEAGUE AND MY CONTRACTOR COLLEAGUE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING, I'M REALLY KEEN TO HEAR WHAT THEY ARE AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE VERY SATISFIED, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OUT THERE USING BEST PRACTICES. AND, AND HE'S SUGGESTING A BEST PRACTICE NOW BY PUTTING THE NAMES ON IT, REAL SIMPLE THING, BUT BEST PRACTICE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EITHER, WE CAN EITHER WORK THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW, WHICH I'M WILLING TO DO, OR WE CAN LET, UH, UH, EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO DIGEST THIS. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO SPEND THE TIME NOW, WHAT DO WE WANT TO PUSH THIS OFF TWO WEEKS? I'M FINE TO DO IT NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT, SO WHATEVER THE WORLD THE COUNCIL IS HERE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION SHOULD BE ASKED, SHOULD ASK, BUT, UH, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE. ALRIGHT, RIGHT NOW I HAVE TO REMIND EVERYONE, WE'RE STARTING TO FALL ON FIVE 30. WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS. AND I WANT TO CLARIFY THIS. IF, IF ALL QUESTIONS, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANSWERED VERY QUICKLY AND, UH, ALSO LOSE THE CONCENTRATION. SO I WILL SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, WRITE DOWN ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEN ASK IN A BEFORE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S MORE ABOUT ASKING MORE QUESTIONS. I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT, UH, READING THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TO US. CORRECT. AND SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO TAPE IT BEFORE US TO TABLE IT. YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, THEN LET'S VOTE TO DO IT. IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT, THEN, THEN VOTE EMOTIONAL DOWN. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S FINE. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO RESPECT JOE. I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING, LET'S JUST SEE WHAT THE WORLD THE COUNCIL IS. WELL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? EXCUSE ME, GQ, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THROUGH THIS? ARE WE TALKING AN HOUR? I HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T, I HAVE NOT READ THROUGH THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK THIS EVENING, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SOUND TO ME. LIKE MAYBE IT'S EVEN AN HOUR. IT MIGHT BE MORE TO READ ASSIMILATE FORM QUESTION. AND LIKE I SAID, AT THE VERY BEGINNING, WE WANT TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. AND IF WE'RE WILLING TO SEEK YOUR NOW AND BECOMING FORM. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. BUT, UM, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT OR THE PA OR THE, OR THE FOCUS ON IT. AND RATHER THAN FOCUSING THE WHOLE COUNCIL ON IT, WE COULD, UM, WE COULD REVIEW THIS. SO I SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE REPERCUSSIONS OF TABLING THIS FOR TWO WEEKS? WELL, I LIKE TO CALL, I CAN ANSWER THAT. HEY, MAYOR, YOU CUT OUT. I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS ARE FOR TABLING THIS FOR TWO MORE WEEKS. WELL, IF, IF I UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES, THEY'RE GOING TO DELAY ANOTHER TWO WEEKS. BUT IF OTHER QUESTION WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER HOUR, TWO HOURS, I WOULD SUGGEST JUST WRITE IT DOWN. AND THEN AS TABLE DEZ, WE HAVE PLANNED OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, DURING THE RECESSION, YOU KNOW, GQ OR TOM COULD GET TO THE ANSWER, THEN THEY ARE THE EXPERTS. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? YEP. I THINK I CAN. I NEED A COUPLE, I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WHILE WE HAVE THE TEAM THERE. CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS PRETTY QUICK. I AM. AND I DON'T SEE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG PROBLEM TOO. IF WE HAVE EVERYTHING APPROVED EXCEPT FOR ONE OR TWO ITEMS WEST, CAN WE NOT APPROVE THE REST OF THE STUFF AND COME BACK? THE ONE ITEM? I MEAN, MOST OF THE, I THINK MOST OF THIS WORK IS ALREADY DONE. YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THEM THE MONEY. I GET THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THE BIG TICKET ITEMS NECESSARILY ARE THE, ARE HOLDING THE THING UP, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW [03:05:01] SOMETHING WOULD BE BETTER THAN NOTHING. OKAY. OKAY. CAN I SKIP THE MIND REAL QUICK AND GQ, YOU CAN KEEP READING YOUR, ALL YOUR STUFF RIGHT NOW. UM, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS, AND I GOT THE ANSWER WAS AN INITIAL CHANGE ORDER REGARDING THE, THE GOING FROM A SINK TOILET, UH, SEPARATE UNITS OR A SEPARATE FIXTURES TO A COMBO FIXTURE. UM, AND YOU GUYS ANSWERED MY QUESTION PERFECTLY, WHICH WAS, I DIDN'T SEE A CREDIT BACK FOR THE ORIGINAL STUFF ON THERE. AND THERE WAS NO, ALSO NO MENTION ABOUT IT. THERE WASN'T MENTIONED THAT WE'VE GOT IT. COULDN'T BE SENT BACK CAUSE IT'S A CUSTOM MADE THING. AND MY QUESTION WAS, DOES THE TOWN HAVE THAT HAVE POSSESSION OF THAT NOW THAT WE CAN USE ON A FUTURE PROJECT? AND THE ANSWER WAS YES, THEY HAVE IT. AND THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO ASK BECAUSE AT LEAST WE'RE NOT LOSING, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO SEE A CREDIT OR ACTUALLY HAVE THIS STUFF IN HAND. SO THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. AND THEN ON THE, ON THE ELEVATOR THING I READ THROUGH YOUR ANSWER ON THIS THING, TOMMY, I REAL QUICK, I'M GOING TO RESTATE THE QUESTION JUST SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY WHO'S AT HOME. SURE. YEAH, GO AHEAD. SO THE QUESTION RELATED TO THE ELEVATORS, WHY IS THE TOWN PAYING MORE FOR ELEMENTS OF AN ELEVATOR THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL BID SPECIFICATIONS? OKAY. SO GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD AND READ, READ, READ YOUR RESPONSE. OH, OKAY. THAT'S FINE. UM, AND THE RESPONSE WAS AN ADDITIONAL $20,067 AND 30 CENTS HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY JC COMMERCIAL TO ACCOUNT FOR AN INCREASE IN STRUCTURAL STEEL MATERIAL AND ONSITE FABRICATION COSTS FOR MIDDLE SUPPORT RACING IN THE ELEVATOR SHAFT REQUIRED FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE ELEVATOR. THE STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS PROVIDED TO CONTRACTORS DURING THE BIDDING PHASE DID NOT SHOW SKILL SUPPORT RACING IN THE ELEVATOR SHAFT BETWEEN THE GROUND FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR, THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN ASSUMED THE MIDDLE SUPPORT RACING WAS NOT REQUIRED SINCE THE GROUND FLOOR CONCRETE FOUNDATION TO THE SECOND FLOOR DID NOT EXCEED THE 14 FOOT MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE HEIGHT BETWEEN FLOORS DURING CONSTRUCTION OTIS, WHICH IS THE ELEVATOR THAT WAS SELECTED BY THE CONTRACTOR, UM, INFORMED JC COMMERCIAL AND PAIGE WHO'S OUR ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT BETWEEN FLOORS IS BASED ON THE BOTTOM OF THE ELEVATOR PIT AND NOT THE GROUND FLOOR AS SHOWN IN THE PLANS. SO SINCE THE HEIGHT FROM THE ELEVATOR PITCH, THE SECOND FLOOR IS GREATER THAN THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED 14 FEET. ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IS REQUIRED. JC COMMERCIAL WAS REQUESTED BY PAGE TO PROVIDE A COST IMPACT PROPOSAL OR THE EXTRA MIDDLE SUPPORT STEEL. SO OUT TO EVALUATE THE VALIDITY OF THE CHANGE REQUEST PAGE CONTACTED BISON KRUPP, THE DESIGN BASIS, ELEVATOR MANUFACTURER, AND CONFIRMED THAT THE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED WITH THE ELEVATOR SYSTEM, WITH THEIR ELEVATOR SYSTEM AS WELL. THE OTIS ELEVATOR OPTIONS, EVEN WITH THE INITIAL STRUCTURAL STEEL THAT IS NEEDED IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE DYSON, THE THYSSENKRUPP ELEVATOR THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN SPECIFIED. OKAY, SO, SO, SO WHAT, THERE, THERE, THERE, WASN'T, THERE WASN'T INITIAL NOTE ON THE, ON THE PLANS ON THE, ON THE CONTRACT DOCUMENT FOR BID DOCUMENTS THAT STATED SOME, SOME EXTENT THAT THE CONTRACTOR WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, REQUIRED BRACING. I THINK FOR THE, FOR THE RAILS, THERE WAS SOME GENERAL NOTES, RIGHT? SO I KNOW THAT WAS ON THERE BECAUSE IT SHOWED UP IN A RESPONSE TO THE RFI. AND THEN WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT THE FIRST TIME, THERE WAS SOME COMMENT THAT THE ORIGINAL SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF THAT THE ORIGINAL ELEVATOR WOULDN'T HAVE REQUIRED IT, BUT THE ODORS THAT WAS SUBMITTED DID REQUIRE IT, WHICH I FOUND KIND OF HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE. UM, BUT NOW WHAT'S EVEN MORE CONFUSING NOW ON THIS IS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THE REASON FOR THIS COMMENT, THAT, UM, EVEN WITH THE EXTRA EXPENSE THAT THE OTIS ELEVATOR WAS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE THYSSENKRUPP BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. THE CONTRACTOR IS SAVING MORE THAN $20,000 BY GOING WITH AN ALTERNATE COMPARED TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE BID, WHAT THE BID DOCUMENTS WERE. BUT WE I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T WHEN THEY WENT TO OTIS, THEY DIDN'T GIVE US BACK ANY MONEY. SO I DON'T WANT TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S, WHY THAT'S INCLUDED ON THIS, ON THIS RESPONSE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU'RE ARE YOU, YOU'RE ASKING WHY I'M SAYING WHY, WHY IS THAT EVEN RELEVANT? THAT IT SAYS THAT EVEN WITH THE STRUCTURAL STEEL ADDED THAT [03:10:01] $20,000, IT IS STILL LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE THYSSENKRUPP ELEVATOR. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS. YEAH. SO YEAH, THE CONTRACT WILL GIVE US BACK $20,000. NO. OR WAS IT A BEE THING? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. WELL, NO, I THINK, I THINK THE ORIGINAL, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL, THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS, THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS AND, AND MITCHELL OR SANTA, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS, THEY DID NOT, DID NOT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THAT THE ORIGINAL ONES DID NOT INCLUDE THIS, THIS STEEL, THIS EXTRA STEEL SUPPORT. RIGHT. AND THAT WAS JUST, THAT WAS A MISTAKE. THAT WAS A MISTAKE, MR. PEARSON. THIS IS JEFF. I CAN ANSWER THAT. SO THAT, AGAIN, THAT WAS WHAT PAGE IS ON THE PHONE. HE CAN, HE CAN HELP ANSWER THIS QUESTION AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CAUSE THAT, YEAH. SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, MR. PEARSON. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN, VIRTUALLY. UH, SO, SO TO, TO BRING JUST A COUPLE ITEMS OF CLARIFICATION ON THIS. SO, UM, WITH ELEVATORS AS IS WITH THE CASE OF, OF MANY ITEMS, UH, THAT WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING THE FACILITY, WE'RE DESIGNING IT AS SUCH THAT IT'S OPEN FOR COMPETITIVE BIDDING, IF YOU WILL, AND NOT JUST DESIGNING IT TOWARDS ONE PROPRIETARY PROVIDER AND SO SUCH AS CERTAINLY THE CASE WITH ELEVATORS. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE WILL PROVIDE A SPECIFICATION FOR A BASIS OF DESIGN. IN THIS CASE, TISONE CORRUPT WAS OUR BASIS OF DESIGN SPECIFICATION. ALTHOUGH WE OPEN THAT SPECIFICATION UP TO OTHERS THAT CAN PROVIDE OF EQUAL OR BETTER TO THAT. AND TYPICALLY WHAT YOU FIND WITH ELEVATORS IS BASICALLY YOU CHOOSE YOUR BASIS OF DESIGN, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS OF THE OTIS AND THE SCHINDLER AND THE, LIKE THAT ALL ESSENTIALLY OFFER A VERY SIMILAR PRODUCT. AND SO YOU DESIGNED IT AS SUCH AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOIST WAY, WE LOOK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL FIND JUST A MATTER OF INCHES OF WHERE THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENCE. SO YOU DESIGN IT FOR THE LARGEST ONE, SO IT WILL ACCEPT YOUR BEST PRICE FROM THOSE MANUFACTURERS. NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE DOING SINCE WE DON'T HAVE IT LOCKED IN TO THE EXACT MANUFACTURER AND PRODUCT, UM, ESSENTIALLY WE ARE LOOKING AT THEIR PRODUCT DATA, UH, DISCUSSING WITH THEM IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT MAY BE REQUIRED IN THE TERMS OF THIS MISCELLANEOUS SPIEL. BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS IN SOME INSTANCES THAT ISN'T CONFIRMED UNTIL THEY ARE GOING INTO THEIR SHOP BETA OR SHOP DRAWING, UH, PHASE, UH, BEFORE FABRICATION. UH, AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE HAD THE BASIS OF DESIGN OF, AND CRA UH, ALL OF THEIR PUBLISHED DATA AND INFO, UH, THAT WE RECEIVED IN TERMS OF THE TRAVEL HEIGHT THAT WE HAVE OF WHAT THAT THRESHOLD IS, WHERE IT WOULD REQUIRE THE INTERMEDIATE SUPPORTS, UH, SUGGESTED THAT IT WAS NOT REQUIRED. UH, SO IT WAS NOT DESIGNED AND INCLUDED IN OUR STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS. NOW, UH, COUNCILMAN BRAUN MADE THE REFERENCE TO, I THINK THE NOTE THAT WE DID HAVE INCLUDED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, UH, THAT IS A GENERAL NOTE THAT WE IDENTIFY AND JUST TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS GENERALLY REQUIRED FOR IT, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS ARE CAPTURED AND ARE POINTED TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE A CONTRACTOR AND HOW, IF YOU WILL, UH, TO SAY, THEY'RE NOT IN, UH, BUT WITH THIS INSTANCE, UH, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS REQUIRED FORTIS AND CRA BASED ON THAT DATA, IT WASN'T IDENTIFIED UNTIL THEY WERE ACTUALLY SELECTED. THEY ONE, THEY WERE I'M SORRY, OTIS WAS SELECTED. UH, THEY WENT INTO SHOP DRAWING PHASE IDENTIFIED THAT IT WAS REQUIRED. AND FOR THAT, WHEN WE ANALYZE THAT, UH, EVEN IN LOOKING AT THE NOTE WAS INCLUDED OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DESIGN, THAT IT WAS NOT REQUIRED. SO WE FELT THAT THERE WAS JUSTIFICATION OR A CHANGE ORDER AD FOR IT. UH, NOW THE, THE RATIONALE FOR GOING BACK AND PROVIDING THE INFORMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO SOME CRUMP WOULD HAVE REQUIRED, IT WAS REALLY JUST TO LOOK AT TRANSPARENCY OF, TO IDENTIFY, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS, UH, OPEN AND AVAILABLE IN THE SPECIFICATIONS TO CHOOSE OTIS, UH, IN OF TO SOME SCRUBS, WE WERE JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW, UH, WHAT THAT BEST PRICE WAS. AND THEN ALSO WANTING TO GO TO LOOK AND SEE IF THE TESTS AND CRUMP BASIS OF DESIGN WERE CHOSEN, IF THEY WOULD HAVE REQUIRED THAT INTERMEDIATE SUPPORT AS WELL. AND AGAIN, IN DISCUSSION CLARIFICATION OF HOW THEY WERE MEASURING THAT TRAVEL HEIGHT INDICATED THAT IT WOULD HAVE. SO I THINK ALL IN ALL, JUST TO BRING A POINT, UH, THAT I THINK IN THE PRICE, THE BID OF WHAT THE TOWN BOUGHT, UH, THAT CERTAINLY WAS THE BEST COMPETITIVE BID FOR THAT ELEMENT. [03:15:04] YEAH. I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT EXPLANATION. UM, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. UM, I JUST, SO WHAT ABOUT EASIER FOR YOU GUYS JUST TO SAY, AND I GET IT, I MEAN, JUST SAY IT WAS, IT WAS BASICALLY THE THYSSENKRUPP ELEVATOR, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR THE INTERMEDIATE SUPPORT WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE OLDEST ONE. AND IT JUST WASN'T ON THE PLAN. SO YOU GUYS DIDN'T, YOU MISREAD WHAT THEIR SPECIFICATIONS WERE. AND SO IT JUST HAD TO BE ADDED. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I BUY IT, YOU KNOW, IF WOULD HAVE BEEN, IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL STUFF, I'M SURE WE WOULD HAVE PAID LESS, BUT MAYBE THINGS HAPPEN AND THERE'S THE ONE DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THAT'S, I KEEP HEARING THAT THE ORIGINAL SPECS, YOU KNOW, TYSON CORRUPTS DIDN'T CALL FOR IT, BUT NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IT DOES. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN, AND IT WASN'T ON THE PLANS AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE GENERAL NOTE THAT ASKS FOR SOMETHING THAT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REQUIRED OF THE GC THEN. UM, UM, I GUESS I'M OKAY WITH IT. I'D LIKE TO SAY, TOM, THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, EXPLANATION. I ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID. UM, AND I, UH, BEING IN THE CONTRACT MANUFACTURING BUSINESS, I'VE RECENTLY NEW TO THE CONTRACT MANUFACTURING BUSINESS, AND SO LEARNED A LOT, AND I DO UNDERSTAND HOW, UM, THESE KINDS OF DISCREPANCIES HAPPEN. UM, AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, WELL, PART LORI PART OF THIS CHALLENGE IS THAT I, AND IT'S, IT'S LESS, IT'S ABOUT TO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT THE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO OKAY. DETERMINED WHERE THE, WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE DEFICIENT IS BY FOLLOWING THE RFI TRAIL. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE ASKING ABOUT THE RFID BEFORE. AND OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE. UM, SO WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, AND EDUCATION OF THE RFI PROCESS THAT THE TOWN USES THAT THE CONTRACTOR USES. UM, SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CLEAN THIS, THIS UP RIGHT HERE. CAUSE WE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY GONE DOWN THIS ROAD OF THE RFP, BUT WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING IN THE FUTURE OF SPENDING MORE MONEY FOR FACILITIES. W IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO FIND THESE DEFICIENCIES, WE NEED TO FIND THEM AROUND. WE NEED TO NOT BRUSH THEM OFF. AND WE'LL SAY, HEY, YOU BETTER HURRY UP AND SIGN THIS BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS NOT GETTING PAID. WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE, WE ARE TAKING OUR TIME, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING IS, AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE ISSUE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHAT YOU, YOUR POINT IS THAT RFI IS OUR, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF RFI IS, IS NOT, IS NOT PART OF THE PROCESS. THE ISSUE IS, IS WE'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE WHO FOR A, FOR A LIVING ARE, ARE, UH, INVOLVED WITH PROJECTS, RIGHT? AND THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT. THEY'RE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INFORMATION, RIGHT? SO RESPECTFULLY TOM, HE SEES IN AND I'LL STEP BACK AND TELL YOU, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB. WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF EXPLAINING OUR CHANGE ORDER STUFF, PERIOD. SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO IF ANDS OR BUTS THERE. OKAY. SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY AND I'LL GET IT FIXED. RIGHT. BUT WHAT, TOM AND TOM, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHAT TOM WILL DO IS BECAUSE HE'S A CONTRACTOR AND HE'S DONE THIS FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. I MEAN, 29 YEARS. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER, 15, 15, HE'S DONE THIS. INSTEAD OF ASKING THE QUESTION, HE SEES A REFERENCE TO AN RFI AND HE ASKS FOR THE RFI AND HE TRIES TO FIGURE OUT THE ANSWER HIMSELF BECAUSE HE'S USED TO DOING IT. RIGHT. BUT HE DOESN'T ASK THE QUESTION. AND INSTEAD OF NOT, WHEN, WHEN HE DOESN'T GET THE ANSWER, THAT HE'S NOT ABLE TO FIND THE ANSWER HE'S EXPECTING TO LOOK FOR, THEN HE ASKS, THEN HE HAS TO ASK THE QUESTION. RIGHT. AND IT'S EASIER TO ASK THE ANSWER THE QUESTION WHEN IT'S ASKED. I AGREE. I, I, I ADMIT TO THAT BECAUSE I JUST FIGURED I [03:20:01] DIDN'T WANT TO BOTHER PEOPLE IF I JUST GOT THE RFI, I COULD READ THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT I'D UNDERSTAND IT AND GO ON DOWN THE ROAD. I'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION WITH, WITH, I GET A FEELING THOUGH, ON SOME OF THIS STUFF WEST, IT'S JUST LIKE, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, JUST TELL ME THE FACTS. JUST TELL ME IF SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, HEY, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THE, WE FORGOT TO PUT THE INTERMEDIATE SUPPORT ON THE GUARDRAILS. WEREN'T ON THE PLANS. AND IF IT NEEDED IT, AFTER WE REVIEWED THE SHOP DRAWINGS AND WE MISSED IT, THAT'S I WOULDN'T EVEN ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAID, BECAUSE IT WAS GOING DOWN THROUGH THE, ALL THESE KIND OF WEIRD CONVOLUTED THINGS. AND I'M LIKE, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. SO THAT'S WHAT GETS MY THAT'S WHAT MAKES, MAKES ME QUESTION PART, PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY WE ASK A QUESTION, HEY, WHAT'S ON THIS RFI AND WE GET THAT RFI. AND THAT RFI IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ANSWERED BY THAT PARTICULAR RFI. SO WHAT'S IT SAYING? YEAH. JUST ASK THE QUESTION. WELL, THAT'S TRUE, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST ASK THE QUESTIONS. WE CAN ALL GO WE'RE WE'RE STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO AND LOOK THAT UP. I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING IN THE DETAILS OF A $9 MILLION PROJECT. YOU'RE NOT THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS NOT WHAT YOUR JOB IS THAT, BUT I, BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP US FROM ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT JOB. WHAT I'M SAYING, ASK THE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THE INTERS OF THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND ALL OF THE R RFIDS. AND IF NOT, THEN WE CAN'T ASK THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. JUST LIKE THE, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. CAUSE WE'RE PART OF THE STAKEHOLDERS TOO. THEY CAN GO AND FIND, UH, A USING THE SOFTWARE MANAGEMENT THING THEY CAN FIND OUT. YEAH, WE KNOW THIS TRAIL BY JUST, UH, MY, AN RFI CHANGE INTO A CHANGE ORDER, RESPECTFULLY, RESPECTFULLY GUILLERMO. THAT'S WHY YOU HIRE STAFF. I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. STOP IT. LET ME SAY SOMETHING. WHEN YOU'RE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION JOB. IN MOST SITUATION, MOST COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE NOT IN THAT FIELD. NOW WE HAVE GUILLERMO AND TOM ARE IN THE FIELD. SO WE RESPECT THE EXPERTISE. EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT IN THE FIELD, I BUILD MY OWN HOUSE BEFORE I BUILT MY RESTAURANT, A LOT OF STUFF. SO MORE OR LESS, WE HAVE THIS KIND OF EXPERIENCE. SO MOST BUILDER, YOU KNOW, ONE CHANGE ORDERS AND WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY. IF YOU SAY THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS AND UP IS $2 MILLION. SO BEING A GOOD COUNCIL MEMBER, WHAT IN THIS FIELD, THEY THAT'S THEIR FIDUCIARY DUTY TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY KNOW. SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S LIGHT, BUT I HAVE TO GIVE THEM A LOT OF RESPECTS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY FOR BUILDER TO TELL YOU, I WANT TO $10,000, MORE, $20,000 MORE, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE GQ SPEND TIME TO READ THOSE STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETHING WE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND, EVEN THOUGH I'M A REAL CHURCH INSURANCE AGENT RESTAURANT OWNER, MAY, I MAY NOT KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF OUR CONSOLE. EVERYBODY GET A DIFFERENT PROFESSION. SO I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE RESPECT INSTEAD OF JUST ARGUING ON THIS. BUT I STILL FEEL IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, PEOPLE DECIDE, THEN I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WEDDING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE TABLE THIS UNTIL LATER DAY. BECAUSE IF WEIGHT DRAGGING LIKE THIS, THERE WILL BE NO CONCLUSION TONIGHT. NO, THERE'S NOT. THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY ONE OTHER QUESTION ON, ON THE G THE CHANGE ORDERS. THAT WAS, I MEAN, THERE'S ONE GROUP OF QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE BALLERS. OH, WAIT, THE RIVETED THEY'RE RIVETED. [03:25:01] SO, AND THIS, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A, FOR, YOU KNOW, OF, OF, OF, UM, OF, OF EXPERTISE, RIGHT? FOR EXAMPLE, UM, TH TH TH TH THIS, THIS SECTION OF QUESTIONS ABOUT BOLLARDS, THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THEM HERE, BUT LET ME READ THEM. SO ONE IS, UM, ARE THESE FORD BOLLARDS, SO THERE'S BOLLARDS SHOWN ON, ON, UH, AS PART OF THE PROJECT OR THESE FOUR. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT A BOLLARD IS? YEAH, I'M SORRY. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A, AN AREA THAT YOU WANT TO PREVENT TRAFFIC FROM GOING INTO, FOR SOME REASON, ONE MECHANISM THAT YOU CAN USE TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IS A BOLLARD AND A BOLLARD. IF YOU'VE GONE TO A PARKING LOT, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN SURROUNDING THE POT PARKING LOT, A ESSENTIALLY IT CAN BE MADE OUT OF WOOD OR CONCRETE OR STEEL. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF THE GROUND AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT. AND IT ALLOWS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT KEEPS, UH, VEHICLES FROM PASSING THROUGH A CERTAIN AREA, RIGHT? AND, AND SO FOR, UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE ARE FOUR BOW BOLLARDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE USED. UM, THEY ARE LOCATED ON THE CONTRACT DROP CONTRACT DRAWINGS AND WHAT ARE, AND THEN THE NEXT, ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THESE FOR $8,000 WORTH OF BALLERS PROTECTING THE BOLLARDS OR PROTECTING THE FACILITIES AT THE, AT THE, THE AIRPORT OFFICES AND THIS CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION FACILITY, IT'S PROTECTING THE 100 KILOWATT EMERGENCY BACKUP POWER GENTLEMEN. OKAY. BOLLARDS ARE ONLY REQUIRED IN ONE ON ONES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, THERE'S ONLY BOLLARDS ON ONE SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE GENERATOR. AND THAT'S BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GENERATOR, YOU'VE GOT A STEEL FENCE THAT PROVIDES THE, THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF PROTECTION TO KEEP VEHICLES FROM GOING INTO THE GENERATOR AREA. AND, UM, AND THEN ON ANOTHER SIDE, THERE'S GOING TO, IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S ON THE NEAR SIDE, WHICH WILL BE PROTECTED, UM, IN THE FUTURE, BY WHAT WE HAVE IS OUR, ESSENTIALLY OUR, OUR, UH, OUR TRASH PROCESS AND BUILDING THAT WOULD YEAH. ADD IN THE FUTURE. SO THE, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS WHY, WHY ARE IN THE PLANS? DOES THE DO THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THESE BOLLARDS REFERENCE OUR FUEL FARM AND ASKS ALSO FOR A PLAN DRAWING OF THE LOCATION AND THAT'S PROVIDED, BUT THE BALL, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE SPECIFICATIONS CLOSELY FOLLOW AN EXISTING FAA, SUPPLEMENTAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE USE, FOR USE FOR AIRPORT FUEL FARM INSTALLATIONS. UM, AND SO THAT SPECIFICATION WAS ORIGINALLY PROVIDED IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR PRICING OF THE MATERIALS, THE SUPPLEMENTAL SUB, UH, SPECIFICATION THAT WAS REFERENCED OUTLINES, THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND METHODS NECESSARY TO GET THE BOLLARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PROVIDED. SO I FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS WHY DO WE NEED A $2,000 EACH INSTALLED CUSTOM FABRICATED BOLLARDS WHEN STANDARD LOCKABLE, BOLLARDS ARE READILY AVAILABLE TO MANY FABRICATORS, THIS IS A QUOTE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE EXPERTISE QUESTION. WHEN YOU DO THINGS ON AN AIRPORT FOR FEDERAL, FOR FEDERAL FACILITIES, YOU HAVE VERY DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAN YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, GETTING A BOLLARD FOR YOUR PARKING LOT, RIGHT? SO THE REASON WHY WE NEED THESE $2,000 BALLERS IS NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE REQUIRED BY THE CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION FOLKS, OR EXCUSE ME, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, ALSO IN CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION AND THE SEPARATION DISTANCES BETWEEN WHERE THE GENERATORS LOCATED AND THE, AND THE FIRE LANE DID NOT ALLOW FOR ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE JET FOR GENERATOR MAINTENANCE TO OCCUR. SO THE BALLERS NEEDED TO BE REMOVABLE AND THE GENERATOR FOUNDATION COULDN'T BE MOVED ANY FURTHER, BECAUSE THEN IT WAS, IT WOULDN'T BE ENCROACHING AND INTO TAXIWAY CLEARANCE AREAS THAT ARE ALSO REQUIRED. SO YOU COULDN'T MOVE THAT. SO, YEAH, SO WE WENT WITH THESE REMOVABLE DEEP MOUNTED BOLLARDS, AND THOSE DEEP MOUNTED BOLLARDS HAD NOT ONLY THE WORK THAT WERE REQUIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY FOR THIS PROJECT ALSO HAD TO MEET CERTAIN CRASH, UH, STAND TESTING STANDARDS. AND THOSE STANDARDS WERE IDENTIFIED BY, UH, AS, AS MEETING THE, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE STANDARD. SO THAT'S WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE, FOR THE PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT WAS SPECKED OUT. AND THAT WAS WHAT, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, OKAY, BOLLARDS ARE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, 500 BUCKS OR WHATEVER INSTALLED, COMPARING IT TO BOLLARDS THAT GO AROUND A FEDERAL, UH, UH, PROJECT AT AN AIRPORT [03:30:01] AND THE LEVEL OF PROTECTION THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT. IT'S NOT AN APPLES, APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. . THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL, CAN YOU TELL ME, OR YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, THESE WERE ON THE DRAWINGS, ARE THESE ON THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT DRAWINGS THAT WERE SET OUT FOR BED? UH, I WILL HAVE TO ASK JEFF, OR, YEAH, I'D HAVE TO ASK JEFF TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I THINK MITCHELL OR MITCHELL MITCHELL WITH CARVER, THESE BULLETS WERE NOT ORIGINALLY SHOWN ON THE BID DOCUMENTS. UM, AS WEST MENTIONED, THE TRASH ROOM THAT WAS LOCATED ON THE AIR SIDE ACTUALLY PROVIDED THAT PROTECTION. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE RECALLERS TO BE REQUIRED AS A PART OF THE DBE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT MISSED IS WHEN THE TRASH ROOM WAS REMOVED, WE ACTUALLY, THEN AT THAT POINT WERE REQUIRED TO INSTALL THE BOLLARDS FROM A TEMPORARY STANDPOINT UNTIL THEY COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THE TRASH ROOM BUILT. SO MITCHELL, CAN YOU, YOU SAID SOMETHING, DID YOU SAY BEE AS IN VALUE ENGINEER? CORRECT. I BELIEVE IN THE BANKING. SO I'M GOING TO CALL THAT CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT FOR THE $20,000 LEGITIMATE QUESTION TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATOR. NO, THIS IS, OR EXCUSE ME FOR THE $8,000. SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE ASKING, I BELIEVE TOM AND I WERE ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHERE DID THIS, WHERE DID THIS ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR? WHERE WAS THAT ORIGINALLY FOUND? HOW WAS THAT DISCOVERED THAT THERE, THAT THE, THAT THE BOLLARDS NEEDED TO BE PUT IN PLACE THAT THEY WEREN'T ON THE CONTRACT DRAWINGS AND THAT WE COULDN'T HOLD THE CONTRACTOR RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, FOR, FOR PICKING THOSE UP BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ON THE DRAWINGS. AND WE TRIED TO FILE, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RFI TRAVEL, WHETHER I KNOW, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED, UH, A, UH, NO, UH, AIRPORT INSTALLATION THAT WOULD JUST FLAT OUT LIST AND COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I MAY, JUST IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING KIND OF THE PAPER TRAIL AND, AND HOW THINGS ARE MANAGED AND THE LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE ONE, OUR ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING CONTRACT. UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE REFERENCES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE, UH, CONTRACTORS CONTRACT, BOTH REFERENCED THE, UH, ESSENTIALLY THIS PROCESS FOR CHANGES AND REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION AS OUTLINED BY THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS. AND SO, UH, AS MITCHELL WAS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, UH, REOCCURRING, UH, OWNER ARCHITECT, CONTRACTOR MEETINGS. UH, SOME OF THESE THINGS ORIGINATE AS A DISCUSSION POINT, THEN, UH, THEY ARE ALL, UM, THEN CONTINUED TO BE A FORMALIZE EITHER IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT A CONTRACTOR IDENTIFIED, UH, THAT IS QUESTIONING AND MAY LEAD TO A CHANGE. AND WE ASK THEM TO SUBMIT THAT AS A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, UH, IF IN TURN THAT DOES REQUIRE, UH, EITHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR MODIFICATION TO THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, WE ESSENTIALLY ARE WHAT'S TERMED AS EITHER AN ARCHITECT, SUPPLEMENTAL INSTRUCTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS, INFORMATION THAT WE PERCEIVE DO NOT HAVE ANY COST OR SCHEDULE IMPACT, OR FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT WE DO PERCEIVE TO HAVE A COSTUME SCHEDULE IMPACT. WE ISSUE THOSE AS A WORK CHANGES PROPOSAL REQUEST. UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER MECHANISMS IN PLACE IN TERM OF SOME KIND OF SMALLER SCOPE ITEMS. UM, BUT THERE DEFINITELY IS A PROCESS OR DEFINITELY IS DOCUMENTATION FOR THAT. AND WE ARE MANAGING ALL OF THAT WITH THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE WOULD LOOK FOR MY, SO ALL OF THOSE RECORDS CAN EASILY BE RETRIEVABLE ARE, ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE TO THE OWNER CONTRACTOR. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT AVAILABLE, IT'S JUST NOT AVAILABLE TO US. SURE, SURE. UH, THESE, I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE SPECS THEMSELVES, WHERE THE SPECS USED WERE THESE PARTICULAR SPECIFICATIONS FROM ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE DID. NO, NO, I GUESS I'M SORRY. I TOOK THAT AS BEING A GENERAL QUESTION. ARE YOU GOING BACK SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE BOLLARDS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THESE PARTICULAR BOLLARDS SECTION, WHATEVER THE SECTION IS ON IT. LET ME LOOK HERE. YEAH. SO THE SUPPLEMENTAL SPECIFICATION TITLE REFERENCES [03:35:01] AIRPORT FUEL FARMS, SINCE THIS, THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES USUALLY GOVERN OVER THE MOST, HAVING MOST STRICT STANDARDS TO PREVENT CRASH RATINGS INTO THESE HIGHLY FLAMMABLE SYSTEMS. SURE. SO THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR GENERATORS. SO A LOT OF TIMES, AND THESE SITUATIONS, THOSE SPECIFICATIONS ARE REFERENCED AND THE, AND THOSE ARE, ARE THOSE SPECIFICATIONS. DID YOU GET THOSE SPECIFICATIONS FROM ANOTHER PROJECT THAT ADDISON UNDERTOOK? UH, NO. THOSE SPECIFICATIONS ARE THE FAA STANDARD SUPPLEMENTAL AND TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE, THAT WE AS ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY, UH, FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. AND THAT WAS APPLIED FOR THIS CASE. ONCE WE GOT INTO THE CHANGE ORDER SITUATION, AND THESE WERE, AND THESE WERE SO, BECAUSE IT SAYS IN THERE, CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WEST? WHICH ONE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I'M SORRY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BALL OR POLLARD SPEC. OKAY. JUST BEAR WITH ME ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. YES. IT'S IN THE SPECIFICATIONS. IS IT IN THE DOCUMENT THAT I, I, THAT I SHARED TONIGHT? OR IS IT IN THE, ONE OF THE CHANGE ORDER ATTACHMENTS? IT'S IN NEITHER ONE. IT'S IN THE PROJECT SPECIFICATIONS. SORRY. ARE YOU ASKING FOR, TO SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE? OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW THAT TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT? I WANT TO LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW. DO WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE? ANYBODY? YES, YOU DO. IT'S ONLINE. IF YOU LOOK ON, OR YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FAA SPECIFICATIONS, I AM TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN OF ADDISON'S SPECIFICATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT. YOU'LL FIND IT IN THE, UH, ONLINE WHERE THE COUNCIL CAN GET TO YOU. AH, F P THAT'S HOW WE GOT IT. I I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO PULL UP ANYTHING. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SPEC. I WANT TO SEE THAT SPEC ON MY SCREEN, MR. . ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE ALREADY PROVIDED IN THE PDF THAT I SENT TONIGHT. OKAY. I THINK IT IS IN THE PDF THAT I SENT. THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR. JUST ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY SCREEN? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THESE ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE SPECIFICATIONS. NO, THOSE ARE PLANS. OKAY. WELL, I'M TRYING TO PULL IT OFF OUT HERE SHORTLY. ONE SECOND. THAT'S FINE. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE WE SHARED IT PREVIOUSLY. SO I'M GOING TO STOP SHARING MY SCREEN BECAUSE APPARENTLY I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. [03:40:04] IT'S SPECIFICATIONS VOLUME TWO, I BELIEVE COULD BE IN VOLUME ONE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S IN VOLUME TWO. ALL RIGHT. CAN Y'ALL SEE THE SCREEN THAT I'M SHARING? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THE, THIS WAS ULTIMATELY THE SPECIFICATION THAT WAS REFERENCED ONCE WE WENT THROUGH THE CHANGE OR ENVIRONMENT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM CHANGE ORDER ONE. OKAY. SO HERE UNDER THE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS, IT'S SAYING THAT THE SECTION OF THE, AND PROTRUDING THROUGH THE FOUNDATION SHALL BE 48 INCHES FROM THE TOP OF THE FILE OF THE FUEL FARM FOUNDATION. YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THAT'S, UH, THIS IS A STANDARD SPECIFICATION. YEAH. THIS IS A STANDARD SUPPLEMENTAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR OUR PROJECTS. SO WE, WE SHOULD HAVE THESE, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT FROM THE TOWN OF ADDISON'S FUEL FARM SPECIFICALLY, CORRECT? YEAH. SO WHERE, SO THIS DIRECTIVE, THIS SPEC IS TELLING OUR CONTRACTOR THAT THEY HAVE TO BE 48 INCHES FROM THE TOP OF A FUEL FARM THAT THIS PROJECT DOESN'T HAVE. YEAH. FOR THE REFERENCE TO THE FUEL FARM. SO, SO THERE'S NOT A SPECIFICATION FOR MITCHELL. I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOU JUST SAY THERE'S NOT A SPECIFICATION FOR PUTTING BOLLARDS SPECIFICALLY AROUND GENERATORS, CORRECT? CORRECT. FOR THE APPLICATION, WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THAT, UH, CVP, UH, PROJECT MANAGERS. WE PROVIDED THE SPECIFICATION TO THEM OR CONCURRENCE AND THEY AGREE THIS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THIS SITUATION, WITH THE GENERATOR. OKAY. SO THIS, SO THIS PARTICULAR SPECIFICATION IS, IS IN CUT PIECES IN THE SPECIFICATIONS, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HOLD A CUT. WE CAN'T HOLD THE CONTRACTOR RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT'S IN THE SPECS, EVEN THOUGH THE SPECIFICATIONS ALWAYS TAKE PRECEDENCE. WELL, IN THIS SITUATION, THIS SPECIFICATION WAS ADDED AS A PART OF THE CHANGE ORDER. SO IT WASN'T INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING DOCUMENTS. CAUSE THESE BOLLARDS WERE ORIGINALLY NOT REQUIRED WHEN THE TRASH ROOM WAS INCLUDED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROJECT, BECAUSE THAT PROVIDED THE PROTECTION NEEDED FOR THE GENERATOR. SO THE SPECIFICATIONS WERE ADDED, BUT THE DRAW OF THE CONTRACT DRAWINGS WEREN'T BROUGHT UP TO UP TO SPEED. CORRECT. SO WHEN THE VALUE ENGINEERING OCCURRED TO REMOVE THE TRASH ROOM, THE BALLS WERE NOT INCLUDED AT THAT TIME UNTIL THE RFI PROCESS. WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE GENERATOR, THE CBP FACILITIES, PROJECT MANAGER, AND FORMED THE TEAM OF REQUIRING BOLLARDS ON THE ONE SIDE. CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT? UM, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWING HERE, WHERE WAS THE TRASH COMPACTOR? TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PROTECTING BETWEEN THAT DRIVE AISLE AND THE GENERATORS WHERE THESE BOLLARDS ARE GOING. WAS THERE WAS, WAS IT TRASH COMPACTOR THERE THEN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR, THE BACKSIDE OF IT'S ACTUALLY THE FENCE. I SEE SOME LANDSCAPING, I SEE THE GENERATOR, BUT THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S BETWEEN WHERE YOU HAVE SOME, YOU HAVE THOSE LOOPS THERE FOR THAT LIKE GATE IT'S ACTION LOOPS AS INSIDE THAT GATE. AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S BETWEEN A DRIVE AISLE AND IN THE GENERATOR. SO I DON'T, I'M REALLY CONFUSED AS TO WHY THE BEE OF THIS TRASH COMPACTOR CHANGES WHERE WE NEED A BALLROOM ON THAT SIDE. MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING. SO THE CBP ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED THAT WE HAD TO PUT BOLLARDS ALONG THE FRONT SIDE AND THE WESTERN EDGE. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT DRAWING IT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE DUE TO THE COST INCREASE OF ADDING THESE BOLLARDS AND WITH THE FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT TRASH ROOM, CVP INDICATED THAT WE ONLY NEED TO INSTALL BOLLARDS ON ONE SIDE, SINCE THAT TRASH ROOM WAS NOT GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED. [03:45:06] SO, OKAY. SO THAT MAKES SENSE THEN YOU DON'T NEED IT ON THAT. SO THE SIDE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SIDE TO THE LEFT ON THIS, THE DRAWING I'M LOOKING AT, RIGHT. UM, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE J THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR DIRECTIONS ARE ON THESE PAGES HERE, CHANGE THE SOUTH DOWN ON ANY OF THE MOST MAKE ANY, BUT, UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE THERE WASN'T SO TO ANSWER, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THERE WASN'T BOLLARDS ON THE PLAN EVER AROUND THE GENERATOR AND YOU GUYS DID SOME VTE AND THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE YOU PUT THEM ON THE DRYWALL SIDE AND THE ONE SIDE WHERE YOU HAD THE TRASH COMPACTOR. AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, LET YOU NOT PUT THEM ON WHERE THE TRASH COMPACTOR IS ON THAT SIDE AND JUST DO THEM ALONG THE DRIVE AISLE. AND THEN ONCE YOU PUT THE TRASH COMPACTOR AND YOU WON'T NEED THEM, BUT BOTTOM LINE IS, THEY JUST WILL NEVER ON THE PLANE. RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THEY ACTUALLY INDICATED THE BORROWERS WEREN'T GONNA MEET CROCK REQUIRED AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE MY SCREEN WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THE TRASH ENCLOSURE ROOM WAS GOING TO BE ALSO, IT'S TECHNICALLY CALLED A AUTOCLAVE. IT IS IN THIS LOCATION, THE GREEN HASH. YUP. YUP, YUP. YUP. SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ROOM. SO THE GENERATOR IS LOCATED WHERE MY MOUSE IS AND DUE TO THE FENCE LOCATION, THE STEEL ORNAMENTAL FENCE, AND THIS TRASH ENCLOSURE, THEY HAD NO CONCERNS OF A VEHICLE PENETRATION TO THE GENERATOR AT THIS POINT. AS LONG AS I LONG DOTTED LINE, THEY'RE NOT THE ONE BETWEEN THE TRASH COMPACTOR AND THE GENERATOR, THE DRAWING BELOW THAT SHOWS THAT THE BOLLARDS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE GOING, ARE GOING ALONG THE DRIVEWAY. RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THEY ALWAYS HAD TO BE THERE. WELL, THEY WERE SAYING THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO INSTALL THAT IF THE TRASH ENCLOSURE ROOM WAS ACTUALLY BEING CONSTRUCTED IN THIS LOCATION, AND THESE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE INSTALLED BECAUSE IN THEIR SCENARIO, THEY COULD THEN SEE IT AS A SITUATION WHERE A VEHICLE COULD HAVE HIT THE GIN, THE GENERATOR IN PLAY, UH, WHAT WE NEGOTIATED WITH CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION TO REDUCE THE COST IS TO ELIMINATE THE BALLERS ON THIS SIDE. CAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE, THEY WERE WILLING TO AGREE TO NOT INSTALL THE BOLLARDS DUE TO THE COST CONSTRAINTS, BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL $6,000. OURS. THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED BY THE CHANGE ORDERS. YEAH, I THINK, UH, UM, UM, I THINK THE ANSWERS ARE EASY TO UNDERSTAND, UH, PROCESS MAY. IT HAS A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, TO BE ADJUSTED. I THINK MY OPINION, IT'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. I'D LIKE TO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOW GO FORWARD AND UH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO TABLE THIS, IF NOT, I WON'T ALL THIS BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE SO MUCH QUESTIONS AND THEN DON'T TELL ME, WE STAY HERE FOR ALMOST AND A HALF FOR THIS ITEM. THEN YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU DON'T WANT TO TABLE THIS. WELL, THE THING HAS AMAZING BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE THE WAY WE OPERATE IT. IF WE HAVE A QUESTION WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED EARLIER, AND IF, YOU KNOW, STEPH HAS ANSWERED, ANSWERED THIS JUST DRAG FOR SO LONG, I DO WHAT WE DID GET, WE DID GET THE, WE DID GET THE ANSWERS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR MAYOR, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING SHOULD SHOULDN'T BE DONE MUCH LONGER BEFORE THIS SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE TWO WEEKS AGO. I AGREE. IT SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE TWO WEEKS AGO. THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO RESPECT EACH OTHER. ALL RIGHT. MAKE SURE YOUR POSSESSION AND UH, SAY SOMETHING APPROPRIATELY. AND THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE BETTER THIS WAY. YOU KNOW? UH, YOU KNOW, I HOPE, YOU KNOW, I'M A BYSTANDERS THEN TO HERE [03:50:01] AND I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT I WANNA TELL YOU THIS. THIS IS NOT THE WAY WE DISCUSSED THIS ITEM. YOU KNOW, I WANT, I WANT, I JUST WANT TO ADVISE YOUR RIGHT YOU'LL KNOW IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS NOT THE RIGHT WAY. ALL RIGHT. BE RESPECTFUL. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MOTION, I THOUGHT I CAME ON. I HAVE A MOTION FOR TABLE AND THE SECOND ONE, THE CALL FOR VOTE. IF YOU WANT TO REJECT IT, REJECT IT ONE WAY. MAKE A MOTION AGAIN THE SECOND YEAR I CAN I WITHDRAW THAT? YES. YOU OKAY. BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT, YOU GO THIS. SO THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT. OKAY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DO THIS RIGHT WITH TOM. YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DRAMA. SECOND. IT WAS PAUL, BUT SECOND DRAW TO JAYCO WITH JOEL IS EMOTION AND PAUL WARDEN AND THE RESIDUAL WITHDRAW HIS SECOND. SO HE'LL MOTION. MY NEW MOTION IS TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED THIS ITEM IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN. I KNOW IT'S BEEN, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN, IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO US AT A LATE TIME AND I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY HAVE TO TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS I DID. AND THE QUESTIONS COULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ASKED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE WEEK IF WE HAD TIME, BUT I THINK WE WERE PRESSED FOR IT. SO THAT'S, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, AS PRESENTED WITH THE COSTS. SO KIM MADE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND LORI AWARD A SECOND. SO DO I KNOW, I CALL FOR THE VOTE. EVERYBODY SAY YES MEANS TO APPROVE THIS, RIGHT? ALRIGHT. AFTER Y AND THE HALF HOUR DISCUSSION TO APPROVE THIS, SAY I PROPOSE. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. [10. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on a Resolution to Approve a Ground Lease Agreement Between the Town of Addison and Mercury Air Center - Addison, Inc, (Doing Business As Atlantic Aviation) in the Proximity of 4400 Glenn Curtiss Drive and Authorize the City Manager to Execute the Agreement.] DISCUSS CONSIDERATION. CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A GROUND. LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOP ADDISON AND MERCURY. ENTER EDISON, DOING BUSINESS AS A LENDER, AVIATION IN THE PROXIMITY OF 4,400 BLANK, CORDY STRIVES AND ALSO AS A CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT IS A BILL DYER BILL. WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. VERY, VERY LITTLE. YOU'RE HARD TO HEAR BETTER. CAN ANYBODY HEAR HIM ANY BETTER THAN, THAN BEFORE? NOT VERY WELL. WE DON'T CALL IT. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? THAT'S BETTER. YES. LITTLE BIT. [03:55:02] DAMMIT. WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. BILL. YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. I'M SORRY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'LL CALL YOU THAT WORD. ALRIGHT. NOW I'VE GOT TO FIND OUT WHERE I AM. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. I AM ATTEMPTING TO SHARE MY SCREEN, SEEING MY SPRING. WAIT, DO YOU KNOW ALREADY? YOU SEE IT? YOU HAVE YOUR SCREEN NOW BILL. GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD EVENING. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PHIL, OUR REAL ESTATE MANAGER HAS AN AIRPORT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. IT'S BEEN A LONG EVENING. WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU A, AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDISON AIRPORT, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED GROUNDLINGS FOR ATLANTIC AVIATION. ATLANTIC AVIATION HAS BEEN OPERATING AT ADDISON AIRPORT SINCE 1997. UH, THE TENANT IS, UH, MERCURY AIR CENTER, ADDISON BANK, DOING BUSINESS AS ATLANTIC AVIATION. UH, THIS, UH, PROPOSED LEASE IS TO, UM, REPLACE RENEWAL, UH, AN EXISTING SERIES OF GROUND LEASES TO GROUND LEASES AND A LONGTERM GROUND LEASE. UH, ATLANTIC CURRENTLY HAS, UH, CURRENTLY HAS, UH, THE GROUND LEASE HERE, A CONSTITUENT OF TWO HANGARS. ALSO THE MAIN HANGAR WHERE THEIR TERMINAL FACILITY IS AND A MAINTENANCE FACILITY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ARE, UH, CURRENTLY LEASING THREE CITY OLD HANGARS, UM, BACK TO THE, UM, UH, THAT ARE BOUNDED IN THE YELLOW LINE HERE. MAIN TERMINAL HERE, GROUND LEASE WHERE MY POINTER IS. AND THEN, UH, THE GROUND LEASE MAINTENANCE HANGAR, UM, ALL ON ALL 11 AND A HALF ACRES. UM, THERE'S SIX PARCELS ALREADY IMPROVED AS WE FILMED THERE WITH THE INTERNAL FACILITY AND THE HANGERS, THE PROPOSED LEASE AGREEMENTS IS, UH, INITIALLY A SEVEN YEAR TERM. THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THREE EXTENSIONS TO EXTEND THE TERM UP TO A TOTAL OF 40 YEARS PROVIDED, UH, UH, ATLANTIC COMPLETES $14 BILLION WORTH OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THAT THREE PHASE OPTIONS, WHICH WE'LL DESCRIBE HERE IN A MOMENT, THE INITIAL LEASE RATE IS A DOLLAR 23 AND A HALF CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT OF EACH, UH, OF GROSS LAND AREA OF THE LEASED PREMISES OF THE 11 HALF ACRES. UM, THE RIG REPRESENTS 72 AND A HALF SQUARE FEET AS THE BASE GROUND LEASE RATE FOR THE LAND AREA. IN ADDITION TO WHICH IS THE PREVAILING MARKET RATE IN ADDITION TO ADDITIONAL 50 AND A HALF CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT LAND, WHICH IS, UH, THE AMORTIZATION OF THE RESIDUAL VALUE OF THE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS AND THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE SOON TO REVERT TO THE TOWN, UH, WHEN THE EXISTING GROUND LEASES EXPIRE THAT 15 AND A HALF CENTS ALSO INCLUDES RESIDUAL OR THE ACCRUED INTEREST, UH, AMORTIZED OVER THE TERM OF THE LEASE, UH, ANNUAL RENT WOULD BEGIN AT 600, $15,620 72 OF BIENNIAL CPI, JOE SMITH, WHICH IS TYPICAL FOR MOST OF OUR, UH, LEASE AGREEMENTS. UH, LATIC IS, UH, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THE LEASE IS TO EXPEND $14 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. UM, OVER THREE OPTIONS. THE FIRST OPTION EXTENDED TERM OPTION WOULD BE FOR, UH, 13 ADDITIONAL YEARS, UH, SUBJECT TO LINEUP COMPLETING $6 MILLION IN NEW, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE DEMOLITION OF EXISTING HANGAR AND A NEW EXECUTIVE HANGER IN ITS PLACE THERE'S WORK TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE FOUR YEARS FOLLOWING THE COMMENCEMENT DATE OF THIS LEASE AGREEMENT OR BY, UH, 2024, UH, WITH THE ADDED 13 YEARS TO THE INITIAL BASE YEARS, ATLANTIC WOULD THEN HAVE A 20 YEAR LEASE TERM AVAILABLE TO THEM. THE SECOND OPTION, UH, TERM WOULD BE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL 15 YEARS OR EXTENDING THE LEASE OUT TO 2055, 72 ATLANTIC COMPLETING FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN RENOVATION OF THE FPO TERMINAL AND NEW AIRCRAFT APRON AREA BY THE END OF 2027. UM, SO THIS, UH, WOULD THEN GIVE, UH, ATLANTIC 35 YEARS OF TOTAL LEASE TERM AVAILABLE. AND THEN THE THIRD OPTION TERM WOULD BE FOR THE LAST FINAL YEARS, [04:00:01] UH, FIVE YEARS, WHICH WERE GIVEN FOUR YEARS TOTAL, UH, SUBJECT TO THEIR COMPLETION OF TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN RENOVATION OF EXISTING HANGAR AND SOME OFFICE, UH, STREET PARKING IMPROVEMENTS, ALL TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE 2033, UM, THE BENEFITS OF THE PROPOSED, UH, GROUND LEASE. UM, IT RETAINS ATLANTIC AVIATION WHO IS A MAJOR FBO, UH, TO ADDISON AIRPORT AND HAS BEEN OPERATING AS PREVIOUSLY INDICATED SINCE 1997. UM, THE AGREEMENT WOULD SHIFT CONSIDERABLE CAPITAL AND MARKET RISK FROM THE AIRPORT TO ATLANTIC AVIATION, UM, UM, ALLOWING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPERATE, UH, THE FPO FACILITY AND MAKING THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY. UH, IN ADDITION TO THE GROUND RENT, THERE IS THE, AS EARLIER DESCRIBED THE, UH, AMORTIZATION OF THE REVERSION VALUE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $3.7 MILLION AND, AND REVERSION VALUE THAT IS BEING AMORTIZED OVER THE LEASE, UH, ACCRUING INTEREST OVER THE TERM OF THE LEASE. UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE, UH, TOTAL, UH, UM, RENOVATION OF THE ATLANTIC FACILITIES WILL GREATLY IMPROVE THE, UH, ADDISON AIRPORT AND THEIR FACILITIES, WHICH ALLOW THEM TO BE, UH, TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE AND HOPEFULLY EVEN MORE COMPETITIVE, UM, IN, UH, PERFORMING THEIR OPERATIONS AT ADDISON NIPPLE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME, UH, CONVERTING THE, UH, CITY OWNED HANGERS, UH, THAT ARE, UH, THAT ATLANTIC IS CURRENTLY LEASING. SO TWO UNDER THE GROUND LEASE, THEY WOULD THEN TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THOSE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD CONVERT, UH, UH, THOSE HANGERS TO BEING TEXTED, UH, TEXTS, TAXABLE PROPERTIES, UH, OWNED BY ATLANTIC AVIATION. AND THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE 2013, UH, STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE 2016 AIRPORT MASTER PLAN. UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROPOSED GROUND LEASE WITH ATLANTIC AVIATION, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER, UH, TO EXECUTE THE GROUND LEASE AND OTHER SUCH DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO CONSUMMATE THE TRANSACTION. THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS REVIEWED THE GROUND LEASE AND OTHER, SUCH DOCUMENTATION, UH, DOCUMENTS NECESSARY AND FIND THEM EXCEPT FOR THE TOWN'S PURPOSES. UH, I, MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE. THANK YOU AND FAIL. YES. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SEVEN PROPERTIES ON THE ATLANTIC EVASION. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE FIRST PROPOSED GROUND LEASE MEANS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM SEVEN YEARS GO ON, LEASE FOR ALL THOSE SEVEN FIRST, RIGHT? YES, SIR. IT'S CONSOLIDATING ALL THOSE, UH, THEIR EXISTING LEASES THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY, ALL INTO ONE SINGLE GROUND LEASE. THEN THE SECOND TERM IS THEY HAVE TO INVEST 14 MILLION WITHIN 13 YEARS, YOU KNOW, TO RENOVATE IT, TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE 10 40 YEARS LEASE FROM THE FIRST SEVEN YEARS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. WELL, THE BEGINNING OF THE SEVENTH, THE FIRST, FIRST, UH, TERM, THAT'S SORT OF, I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, SIR. SO I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE, SO THE FIRST SEVEN YEARS TERM IS THE FAULT OF THE SEVEN PROPERTIES, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO INVEST $14 MILLION WITHIN 13 YEARS, WHICH IS IN CODE THE FIRST SEVEN YEARS BE ABLE TO GET 40 YEARS LEASE. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS CORRECT. YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND SAYS THERE ARE SO MANY TERMS FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT DEAL. YEAH. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR OTHER CONSOLE, TOM? YOU HAVE A QUESTION. I GO, BECAUSE WE'VE REVIEWED THIS BEFORE AND I SAW SOME ANSWERS EARLIER IN THE DAY WHERE THERE'S A COUPLE OF GOOD QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED BY SOMEBODY. AND I THINK IT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM. ALRIGHT. HOW ABOUT MODERN ON THE AIRPORT? OH YEAH. I THINK THEY WERE ANSWERED IN THE COUNCIL QUESTIONS. UM, [04:05:02] YEAH, THERE'S NO QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. AND DO I HAVE MOTION THERE? I MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM 10 AS SUBMITTED. UH, I HAVE A MOTION FROM IVAN AND THEN SECOND FROM PAUL WARREN, ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS ITEM THREE, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSE NOBODY. ALL RIGHT. FUN. LAST ONE. THANK YOU. SO ONE MORE ITEM. THANK YOU, BILL. YES, SIR. I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GO AWAY. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME A SEC. I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO, MAN. GIVE ME A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. [11. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on the Second Reading of an Ordinance of the Town of Addison, Texas Granting to Oncor Electric Delivery Company LLC, Its Successors and Assigns, an Electric Power Franchise.] I TELL THEM NUMBER 11, PRESENT, DISCUSS OR CONSIDER ACTION ON THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN, ADDISON, TEXAS, GWEN KING TO ENCORE ELECTRIC DELIVERY COMPANY. THEY ALL SEE HIS SUCCESSORS AND ASSIGNS AND ELECTRIC POWER FRANCHISE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BILL HOLLY ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. UH, TONIGHT'S ITEM IS AN ORDINANCE GRANTING ENCORE AND ELECTRIC FRANCHISE. JOINING US VIA VIDEO IS KEY TO HOBBS FROM ENCORE. SO SHE'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, AS YOU'LL RECALL, THE TOWN CHARTER REQUIRES FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING, WHICH WAS ACCOMPLISHED ON JUNE 23RD, 2020. THE CHARTER FURTHER REQUIRES THAT WE WEEKLY POST THAT PROPOSED ORDINANCE IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, UH, FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE WEEKS THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED IN JUNE AND JULY OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN FINALLY, THE CHARTER REQUIRES US TO BRING THIS BACK FOR A SECOND READING AND APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TONIGHT IS A QUICK REVIEW. THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT ESTABLISHES THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH ENCORE OPERATES ITS ELECTRIC DELIVERY SYSTEM WITHIN THE TOWN. SO KITA AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE ORDINANCE OR THE AGREEMENT AND THE QUESTION. THIS IS A VERY STANDARD AGREEMENT BETWEEN UNCLE AND THE MOST CITIES. SO, UM, EVERYBODY YOU READ THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION THERE I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM 11 IS PROPOSED. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IVAN MADE A MOTION. CHICO SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. TODAY IS A LITTLE BIT LONG, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION AND THAT MEETINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU, KATIE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.