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IT IS FIVE OH TWO AND WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS FOR OUR WORK SESSION MEETING.
AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT WITH SIX MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE, UH, IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
AND DO WE HAVE, UH, MR. CIO JOINING US VIA ZOOM? HE'LL BE JOINING LATER, BUT HE'S NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHT, AND NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY.
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UH, WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO.CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THE SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW.
COUNSEL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSSED ON THE ITEM, NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE AGENDA ON A FUTURE, FUTURE PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
UH, WITH THAT, I DO HAVE A ONE ONE CITY COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD, SO I'LL CALL TYLER WRIGHT AT THIS TIME.
AND YOU DO HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UM, I'M JUST COMING IN TONIGHT.
UH, THESE, THESE THINGS, UH, KIND OF SNEAK UP ON YOU, BUT, UM, TO SPEAK ABOUT DART'S, LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, UH, THIS UPCOMING SESSION.
SO DART IS, UM, GOING FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS INCLUDING, UH, GOVERNANCE REFORM, UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MONITORING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FUNDING MECHANISMS, BUT THEY AREN'T GOING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
I THINK THIS IS AN AREA OF CONCERN, UH, BECAUSE THE ONE E EXISTING FUNDING ALREADY MEANT SERVICE CUTS UNDER, UH, THE CURRENT STRUCTURE, UH, UH, THIS YEAR.
AND WE'VE SEEN A DECREASE IN RIDERSHIP DUE TO THOSE SERVICE CUTS.
UM, FUTURE SERVICE CUTS, UH, ARE VERY POSSIBLE DUE TO THE GMP AND ALTHOUGH ADDISON MAY NOT BE A MEMBER, THIS STEPWISE INCREASE IN GMP FUNDS WILL PROBABLY COME OUT OF OPERATIONS JUST DUE TO DEBT OBLIGATIONS.
SO WITHOUT ANY FUNDING, UH, ADJUSTMENTS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS BECAUSE DART IS NOT PURSUING THEM, UM, WE RISK, UH, SOME SERIOUS SERVICE CUTS, UH, ACROSS THE SYSTEM, PROBABLY IN ADDISON AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY, UH, PLAYING, UH, ON THE HOOK FOR THAT.
UM, AND PLUS I THINK, UM, CONSIDERING THE MODEL THAT, UH, CHAIR BRYANT WAS GOING FOR WITH ADJUSTING THE, UH, THE, UM, FUNDING STRUCTURE THROUGH A NUMBER OF MEANS TO KIND OF REDUCE THE PENNY OBLIGATION AT THE CITY LEVEL, UM, ANY SORT OF MOVEMENT TOWARDS THAT RETURNS MORE MONEY TO THE CITIES AS WELL.
SO WE'RE PROTECTING, UM, RIDERS BY KEEPING THAT FUNDING AT BASICALLY PENNY LEVEL, EVEN WITH THE GMP, UH, TO THOSE CITIES.
AND THEN WE'RE PROTECTING SOME OF OUR CITIES, UM, ESPECIALLY BY RETURNING THAT, THAT PENNY BACK, WHICH I THINK SATISFIES BOTH WORLDS.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BAFFLING TO ME THAT DART IS NOT AT LEAST PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA TO SAY, HEY, LET'S, WE'RE GONNA GO FOR IT.
EVEN IF GOVERNANCE IS THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, WHICH I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING MY SERVICE.
SO I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS MOVE TOWARDS YOUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, IF Y'ALL MIGHT CONSIDER, UM, SUPPORTING FUNDING, UM, YOU'LL BE IN GOOD COMPANY.
I BELIEVE RICHARDSON AND CARROLLTON ARE SUPPORTING FUNDING INCREASES OR CHANGES THAT WOULD BE ADDITIVE, NOT, NOT PRODUCTIVE TO CHAPTER 4 5 2, AS WELL AS, UH, THE COG ITSELF IS PURSUING, UM, FUNDING FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS IN PUBLIC SECTOR TEXT THOUGHT THEMSELVES, ALSO ADMITTED THAT WE NEED TO START FUNDING PUBLIC TRANSIT AND SOME OF ITS MOST RECENT REPORTS.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME TAILWINDS THERE THAT MIGHT DRIVE SOME LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS.
UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY SUPPORT THAT.
AND AS Y'ALL'S REPRESENTATIVE OFFICIALLY TO DART, UH, WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU HELP THE RIDERS OUT AND SAY, HEY, DART, LET'S, LET'S REACH FOR, REACH FOR THE SKY HERE AND TRY TO GET FUNDING TOO WHILE WE'RE AT IT.
THAT'S THE ONLY COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM TWO.
[Council Member Clarification on Consent Agenda Items]
TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARIFICATION ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED ON CONSENT ITEMS FROM COUNCIL? ALRIGHT.THEN AT THREE A COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL SENDS INTO STAFF REGARDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED AND THEY PUT INTO A SINGLE DOCUMENT AND THAT DOCUMENT IS SENT OUT TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THAT SAME DOCUMENT IS UPLOADED, UH, TO THE TOWN WEBSITE.
SO ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THAT DOCUMENT, WHICH WILL BE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE AGENDA, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, ADDISON TX.GOV.
THERE'LL BE A LINK INSIDE THE AGENDA THAT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THAT SAME Q AND A DOCUMENT, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY Q AND A THIS TIME.
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MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, A CLOSED SESSION.THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL WILL ENTER A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 DASH 7 1 0 9 0 TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING
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ITEM FOR A PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.071, SECTION TWO OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY TO SEEK AND RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE USE OF LICENSE PLATE READER, LPR CAMERAS AND COMPILED DATA.IT IS 5 0 7, WE'LL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AT THIS TIME, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS PERTINENT TO THIS ITEM, OKAY, IT
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IS 5 39 AND WE'LL COME BACK, COMING BACK INTO OPEN SESSION FROM OUR CLOSED SESSION.AND THERE'S NO ACTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO TAKE FROM OUR CLOSED SESSION DISCUSSION.
[a. Present and discuss the history and use of Automated License Plate Reader (ALPR) cameras within the Town of Addison.]
OUR WORK SESSION REPORTS.ITEM SIX A PRESENTED, DISCUSSED THE HISTORY AND USE OF AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER, A LPR CAMERAS WITHIN THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, CHRIS FRIES, CHIEF OF POLICE.
UM, TONIGHT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS IN ADDISON.
UM, AND THE PURPOSE OF OUR WORK SESSION PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THE HISTORY OF ALPS, UH, COMPARE THE DIFFERENT VENDORS THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN ADDISON, UM, DISCUSS, UM, A LPR DATA SHARING, ACCOUNTABILITY, SECURITY, AND SHARE SOME SUCCESSES, AND THEN DISCUSS THE DIRECTIVE FROM GOVERNOR ABBOTT REGARDING STATE FUNDING.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
SO, QUICK BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
WHAT IS AN AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER? MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS LPRS OR APRS.
NOW ARE CAMERAS USED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PHOTOGRAPH IMAGES OF VEHICLES AND TECHNOLOGY TAGS, THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER AND BASIC VEHICLE CORRECT CHARACTERS CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS COLOR, MAKE AND MODEL FROM THE IMAGE ALONG WITH THE DATE AND TIME AND LOCATION OF THE SCAN.
APR R'S PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO HELP IDENTIFY VEHICLES INVOLVED IN CRIMES, LOCATE STOLEN CARS AND SUPPORT INVESTIGATIONS, NO PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION OR PII, UM, SUCH AS THE DRIVER'S IDENTITY VEHICLE REGISTRATION IS COLLECTED.
YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT FLOCK SAFETY.
WHAT IS FLOCK SAFETY? IT'S A ATLANTA, GEORGIA BASED TECHNOLOGY COMPANY FOUNDED IN 2017 THAT DEVELOPS APRS CAMERAS, DRONES, GUNSHOT DETECTION AND ANALYTICAL SOFTWARE DESIGNED TO HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT.
A BRIEF HISTORY OF LICENSE PLATE READERS IN ADDISON.
IN 2018, UH, THE TOWN INSTALLED MOTOROLA LICENSE PLATE READERS AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXITS OF ASIN ADDISON RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN 2021.
WE EXPANDED THAT, UM, PROGRAM TO NON-RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN 2024 WITH EMERGING NEW TECHNOLOGY.
UH, THE TOWN DID A PILOT PROGRAM WITH FLOCK AND INSTALLED NINE CAMERAS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.
AND IN 2025, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED REPLACING THE AGING MOTOROLA CAMERAS WITH 65 FLOCK LPR CAMERAS AND 20 LIVE VIEW CAMERAS.
JUST AS A NOTE, A LIVE VIEW CAMERA IS NOT A LICENSE PLATE REAR CAMERA, IT IS A CAMERA, MUCH LIKE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN TO WHERE YOU CAN LOG IN AND IT'S JUST A CONSTANT VIEW OF AN INTERSECTION, WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S NOT COLLECTING DATA, IT'S NOT COLLECTING SCANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THIS PRESENTATION IS FOCUSED ON THE LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS COMPARING THE MOTOROLA CAMERAS TO THE CURRENT FLOCK CAMERAS THAT WE USE.
UH, THE MOTOROLAS ARE HARDWIRED, WHEREAS FLUX ARE SOLAR POWERED.
UH, MOTOROLA, AS YOU REMEMBER, WERE MOUNTED LOW TO THE GROUND FACING UPWARD OFFERING A LIMITED VIEW OF A VEHICLE FLOCK.
CAMERAS ARE MOUNTED HIGHER ON A POLE AND THEY'RE POINTED DOWN.
UM, MOTOROLA HAD LIMITED IDENTIFICATION OF VEHICLE COLOR MAKING MOTOR, AND THIS WAS JUST THE, THE TIME RIGHT THING ABOUT HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY ENHANCES FROM 2018 UNTIL NOW.
UH, SO NOW WITH THESE CAMERAS, THEY ARE, UH, NEWER, THEY'RE RELIABLE.
THEY PROVIDE VEHICLE COLOR, MAKE AND MODEL.
UM, SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY ON THE CAMERAS, THE MOTOROLAS, YOU COULDN'T REALLY IDENTIFY, UM, THE STATE ON THE LICENSE PLATE.
YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER JUST 'CAUSE GRAINY FOOTAGE, IMAGES, UM, THE FLAT CAMERAS, MUCH MORE RESOLUTION.
NEWER, YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE STATE ON THE PLATE.
UH, MOTOROLA, THEY WERE NOT COMMONLY USED IN THE DFW AREA.
THERE WAS LIMITED SHARING CAPABILITIES.
IF ANOTHER TOWN HAD A MOTOROLA CAMERA, YOU COULD VIEW THAT MUCH LIKE YOU CAN WITH FLOCK.
UM, FLOCK IS COMMONLY USED IN DFW, UM, INCLUDING OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.
SO THAT SHARING NETWORK, UH, IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
UH, THE MOTOROLA CAMERAS, BECAUSE THEY WERE HARDWIRED JUST OLDER, THEY WERE FREQUENTLY OUT OF SERVICE.
UM, I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST GOT HIRED ON HERE, UH, HAD A LOT OF EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND TALKING WITH RESIDENTS ASKING IF THE CAMERAS WERE OPERATIONAL BECAUSE THEY WERE CONSTANTLY DOWN.
UM, THE FLOCK CAMERAS WITHIN BEING SOLAR POWERED AND NEWER, THEY ARE MUCH MORE RELIABLE WITH LIMITED OUTAGES.
UM, AND ALSO IN MOTOROLA, UH, THE EQUIPMENT WAS OWNED BY ADDISON.
WE PURCHASED THAT ON A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT.
UM, FLOCK IT'S LEASED YEAR TO YEAR, SO THE STORAGE AND SHARING OF A LPR DATA.
SO ALL A LPR DATA IS STORED REMOTELY ON THE AMAZON WEB SERVICES GOVCLOUD.
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UM, ALL DATA IS PURGED AFTER 30, 30 DAYS.UNLESS WE TAG THAT DATA AS SOMETHING THAT'S BEING USED FOR A CURRENT INVESTIGATION.
ABSENT OF THAT, IT IS PERCHED FROM THE SYSTEM.
UM, ADDISON PD, WE MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR DATA.
UH, WE CHOOSE WHO TO SHARE THAT DATA WITH OUR, WE HAVE STRICT POLICIES THAT GOVERN THAT.
IT HAS TO BE SHARED WITH ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY.
WE DO NOT SHARE WITH AGENCIES OUT OF STATE.
WE DON'T SHARE WITH, UH, FEDERAL ENTITIES, AND WE'VE LIMITED TO A 75 MINUTE DRIVE OF ADDISON WITH WHOM WE CHOOSE TO SHARE DATA WITH.
SHARED DATA CAN ONLY BE USED FOR OFFICIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES.
AND THIS IS AN ACTUAL, UM, SCREENSHOT OF WHAT YOU GET WHENEVER YOU HAVE AN ALERT FROM A VEHICLE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT IT CAPTURES A POINT IN TIME.
THERE IS NO DRIVER INFORMATION, THERE'S NO NAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
SO IF YOU CAN, CAN'T MAKE THE SCREEN BIGGER, UH, IT IS MERELY JUST THE LATITUDE, LONGITUDE, THE LOCATION AND AN IMAGE OF THE VEHICLE.
OUR OFFICERS DIDN'T TAKE THIS INFORMATION AS A STARTING POINT TO AN INVESTIGATION.
WE WANNA BE VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT FLOCK CAMERAS, APRS, THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED TO THE DMV, THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED TO THE TOLL CAMERAS, THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING.
SO THE DATA THAT WE ACCESS FROM THESE CAMERAS IS JUST A STILL IMAGE OF A VEHICLE.
THERE'S NO PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION ATTACHED TO THIS DATA WHATSOEVER.
THE LICENSE PLATE, THAT LICENSE PLATE, YES.
THAT BACK TO A PERSON, A REGISTER INDIVIDUAL.
SO WE, WE GET AN IMAGE AND AN INVESTIGATOR THEN TAKES THAT NUMBER AND THEN WE ACCESS OUR OTHER SYSTEMS, OUR OTHER
UH, THE COUNTY ADOPTED THE ADDISON PUBLIC SAFETY DATA MANAGEMENT POLICY BACK IN JANUARY OF 2019.
UM, THE ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL POLICY REGULATING THE USE OF AUTOMATED LEGISLATORS, WHICH IS MORE ROBUST THAN TOWN POLICY.
UM, THAT'S JUST, THAT POLICY WAS CREATED IN 2019.
SINCE THEN, TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED.
SO WE'VE ADAPTED OUR POLICIES TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
UM, THE TOWN POLICY STIPULATES THE DATA RETENTION IS 45 DAYS.
OUR INTERNAL POLICY IS 30 DAYS.
UM, WE ALSO MANDATE TRAINING BEFORE BEING ABLE TO ACCESS ANY A LP DATA, UH, NETWORKS.
ALSO, WE'VE DEFINED WHAT A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE IS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE.
OUR POLICY STRICTLY REGULATES THE USAGE OF A LPR DATA.
DATA CAN ONLY BE USED FOR A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES, AND ALL SEARCHES MUST BE TIED TO REASONABLE SUSPICION OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
UM, SO HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS IS, AND OFFICER, AN INVESTIGATOR, UH, MIGHT HAVE BE CALLED TO, UH, AN INCIDENT AND SAY, HEY, BETWEEN THIS TIME AND THIS TIME, SOMEBODY BROKE INTO MY VEHICLE.
WELL, THE OFFICER CAN NEAR THAT TIME SEARCH, THEY THEN HAVE TO REQUEST THAT AN INVESTIGATOR TO, UH, ENTER THAT VEHICLE INTO FLOCK TO SEE WHERE THE LOCATION IS.
SO WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE THAT NOT EVERY EMPLOYEE FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON CAN ACTUALLY ENTER THAT SEARCH.
UM, IT HAS TO BE REQUESTED BY THEIR INVESTIGATOR OR SUPERVISOR THAT ACTUALLY INPUTS THAT INFORMATION.
SEARCHES OF DATA ARE AUDITED ON A REGULAR BASIS BY ADDISON.
THEN ALSO, UH, FLOCK FLAGS SEARCHES AS WELL.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN EMPLOYEE FOR A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE, LIKE AN INVESTIGATOR IS SEARCHING A LICENSE PLATE OVER AND OVER TO SEE MAYBE WHERE THEY WERE LAST PINGED AT, OR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE VEHICLE, WE WOULD GET NOTIFIED FROM FLOCK JUST BASICALLY STATING, HEY, LOOK AT THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, THAT IT, THAT IT'S ON PAR.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE INTERNAL AUDITS THAT WE DO AS WELL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR SEARCHES ARE TIED TO THE LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES.
UM, OFFICERS WHO MISUSE A LP DATA WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
THIS INCLUDES, UM, POSSIBLE TERMINATION AND DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY, CRIMINAL CHARGES AS WELL.
AGAIN, FLOCK, LPRS DO NOT COLLECT PRIVATE INFORMATION OR USE FACIAL RECOGNITION.
UM, I'VE HEARD THIS A LOT AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE.
THESE CAMERAS DO NOT LOOK INSIDE OF VEHICLES.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE WITH THE LICENSE PLATE AND VEHICLE IDENTIFIERS.
THERE IS NO FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY THAT EXISTS ON THESE CAMERAS.
YOU CAN'T GET A SPEEDING TICKET, UH, DRIVING PAST THESE CAMERAS.
IT IS JUST A PICTURE OF THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE THAT INCLUDES THE LICENSE PLATE, IS THE OTHER STORIES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
IS IT FACT OR FICTION THAT YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY ONLY PICK UP LICENSE PLATES IN IN THE COLOR OF THE VEHICLE OR SOMETHING? VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS.
CAN, CAN THEY, DO THEY ACTUALLY SEE DENTS ON VEHICLES THAT CAN IDENTIFY A VEHICLE A, A BLACK TOYOTA WITH A DENT ON THE RIGHT FENDER? UH, YES.
SO VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS, AND THERE'S BEEN SUCCESS STORIES OF WHERE YOU
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GET JUST A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF IT WAS A LATE MODEL BLACK VEHICLE AND IT HAD A YELLOW BUMPER STICKER.AND THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
THEY THEY CAN PICK UP DIFFERENT, SO IT'S DIFFERENT IDENTIFYING FACTORS THAN JUST THE LICENSE PLATE.
THEY'RE MORE ACUTE TO OTHER ASPECTS OF THAT VEHICLE OTHER THAN JUST THE LICENSE PLATE.
AND THAT'S THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND THE OLD MOTOROLAS.
THEY JUST SNAPPED A SHOT OF THE, OF THE LICENSE PLATE BASICALLY.
WITH THESE CAMERAS, NEWER TECHNOLOGY, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW DIDN'T EXIST IN 2018.
BUT THESE ARE FAR MORE INTUITIVE AND THEY USE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO HELP THEM FIGURE OUT THESE VEHICLES.
THEY THEY WORK ON AN AI SYSTEM, CORRECT? YES.
SO THE AI SYSTEM IS THE OVERLAY.
SO PERFECT EXAMPLE, THE MOTOROLA SNAPSHOT AND A FLOCK SNAPSHOT.
THE DIFFERENCE WITH FLOCK IS USING THE AI OVERLAY IS YOU'RE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, NOTHING'S CHANGED IN THAT IMAGE.
THAT IMAGE, TO YOUR POINT OF THAT MOTOROLA CAMERA HAD A DENT IN IT, JUST THE CAMERA DIDN'T PICK UP OR THE CAMERA DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS A DENT.
WHAT THIS ALLOWS IS THE INVESTIGATOR TO SAY, HEY, I'M LOOKING FOR A BLACK TOYOTA OR BLACK LATE
THE AI OVERLAY IS SEARCHING THOSE IMAGES THERE WOULD'VE ALREADY EXISTED TO SAY, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT MAY HAVE A DENT.
AND THEN WE START THE INVESTIGATION.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT JUST A LICENSE PLATE READER.
THEY ARE LOOKING AT OTHER IDENTIFYING ASPECTS OF THAT VEHICLE AND HAVING A SMARTER ENGINE TO FIGURE THAT OUT RATHER THAN JUST A, JUST A PICTURE.
BUT YES, THERE'S AN OVERLAY THAT ALLOWS US TO LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT PICTURE.
UM, THEY, THEY TAKE A PICTURE OF THE VEHICLE TO SINGLE POINT IN TIME.
UH, THEY DON'T TRACK PEOPLE OR SHOW EVERYWHERE THAT THEY GO.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE OWN 100% OF OUR DATA.
UH, WE DECIDE WHO WE SHARE THAT DATA WITH, NOT FLOCK.
UM, FLOCK HAS INDUSTRY LEADING SECU SECURITY CERTIFICATIONS ON THEIR PRODUCTS.
DATA IS STORED WITH END-TO-END ENCRYPTION ON THE AMAZON WEB SERVICES GOVCLOUD AND IS AUTOMATICALLY DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS.
UM, FLOCK HAS ENLISTED A THIRD PARTY, BISHOP FOX, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AUDITING THE FLOCK, UH, SECURITY PROTOCOLS.
UM, I JUST SAW THAT REPORT THAT WAS RELEASED ABOUT FIVE HOURS AGO.
UM, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO UPDATE THE PRESENTATION.
BUT WITHIN THEIR RECOMME, UH, WHAT BISHOP FOX FOUND WAS THAT THROUGH THAT NO CUSTOMER DATA OR SYSTEMS WERE EVER ACCESSED BY ANYONE OUTSIDE OF FLOCK AS A RESULT OF THIS TESTING.
SO TRYING TO EDUCATE MYSELF A LITTLE BIT ON WHO BISHOP FOX IS AND WHAT THAT WAS.
ESSENTIALLY FLOCK HIRED THIS FIRM TO COME IN AND TEST THEIR SYSTEM AND LOOK FOR VULNERABILITIES AND SAY, ARE THERE ANY SHORTCOMINGS? AND THE REPORT THAT THEY RELEASED WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD IS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE DATA IS SECURE, THAT SOMEBODY HAS NOT HACKED IT? AND AS OF FIVE HOURS AGO, THE REPORT SAYS THAT THEY CONFIRMED THAT THEIR SYSTEM HAS NEVER BEEN ACCESSED BY ANYONE OUTSIDE OF FLOCK AS A RESULT OF, OF THE TESTING.
AS A HACK, AS AN ILLEGAL HACK, OTHERS CAN ACCESS IT, OUR DEPARTMENTS CAN ACCESS IT, OUR OFFICERS CAN ACCESS IT.
AUTHORIZE YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.
WE OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES AND HAVE BEEN ACCESSED OR BEEN GIVEN ACCESS CAN ACCESS THAT DATA.
UM, I WANTED TO TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT AND JUST TALK ABOUT SOME A LPR SUCCESSES.
UM, SO SINCE 2018, APPROXIMATELY 562 A LPR SUCCESSES, 200 OF THOSE, UM, SPECIFICALLY TIED TO FLOCK CAMERAS JUST OVER THE PAST 60 DAYS, UM, SEVERAL SUSPECTS WITH ADDISON WARRANTS HAVE BEEN, UH, LOCATED AND ARRESTED BY OFFICERS.
UM, THOSE HAVE INCLUDE DWIS ASSAULT, CAUSING BODILY INJURY, FELONY THEFT, AND ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT.
UM, IF YOU RECALL FROM THE LAST FEW, UM, ANNUAL REPORTS THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE HAD DRASTIC DECREASES IN, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE THEFTS.
AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY, THAT HAS BEEN HELPED BY THE USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY.
UM, IT ALLOWS US TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR PARTNER AGENCIES.
UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DISMANTLE LIKE WELL ORGANIZED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES THAT HAVE GONE AND JUST REALLY IMPACTED, NOT JUST US, BUT THE DFW AREA WITH STOLEN VEHICLES.
THIS HAS BEEN A GAME CHANGER IN, AS IN HELPING WITH THAT ASPECT.
UM, THERE WAS A SUSPECT NAMED IN A, UH, BOLO BEYOND THE LOOKOUT, UH, FOR A ROAD RAGE SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED IN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY.
UM, THEY HAD THAT INFORMATION.
THEY CREATED A, A FLOCK ALERT.
OUR ADDISON'S, OUR OFFICERS ACTUALLY SAW THAT ALERT AND FOUND THE, FOUND THE SUSPECT, UM, AND THEY WERE ARRESTED.
UM, WE'VE HAD, UM, A SEXUAL ASSAULT SUSPECT.
IT WAS PARTIALLY KNOWN TO THE VICTIM WAS THEN BE IDENTIFIED AFTER FINDING A SCAN OF THE VEHICLE BY THE OFFENSE LOCATION.
AND AFTER FURTHER INVESTIGATING, HE WAS ARRESTED BY NEIGHBORING COUNTY AND WE WERE ABLE TO GO UP THERE AND NOT ONLY RECEIVE, GET THAT, THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT ALSO COLLECT THE EVIDENCE FROM THE VEHICLE.
AND ANYTIME YOU HAVE A SENSITIVE CASE LIKE THAT, EVIDENCE IS EVERYTHING.
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HAD ANOTHER SITUATION JUST A FEW, UM, DAYS AGO TO WHERE, UM, SOMEBODY WAS VICTIMIZED BY A RIDESHARE DRIVER.AND DUE TO GREAT INVESTIGATIVE TACTICS AND INVESTIGATION, BY NOT ONLY OUR OFFICERS, OUR COMMUNITY RESPONSE TEAM, OUR DETECTIVES, THEY WERE ABLE TO LOCATE THE VEHICLE WITHIN HOURS, COLLECT THAT VEHICLE FOR EVIDENCE AND IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT.
WE'VE ALSO, MY CATALY CONVERSION HAS BEEN A HUGE ISSUE, UH, RECENTLY, A, UH, VEHICLE THAT WAS OFFENDING IN A NEIGHBORING CITY, THEY SENT OUT THE INFORMATION, PUT IT ON THE SYSTEM.
OUR OFFICERS LOCATED THAT VEHICLE, CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STOP.
WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THE SUSPECTS, THEN ALSO FIND, UH, TOOLS OF THE RECENT COMMISSION OF THEFT WITHIN THAT VEHICLE.
SO TALK REALLY BRIEFLY ABOUT THE CURRENT FUNDING FOR OUR A LPR SYSTEM.
UM, OUR LPR SYSTEM IS GRANT FUNDED THROUGH THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRIME PREVENTION AUTHORITY, OR M-V-C-P-A.
UM, THAT IS A STATE AGENCY THAT FOCUSES ON REDUCING CATTLE CONVERTER THEFT, VEHICLE THEFT, VEHICLE BURGLARY TITLES, FRAUD AND ET CETERA.
THE M-P-C-P-A APPROVES GRANT FUNDING TO AGENCIES TO IMPLEMENT PROGRAMS AND TECHNOLOGIES TO HELP COMBAT VEHICLE CRIMES.
WE WERE AWARDED FUNDING FOR FY 26 AND FY 27 THROUGH THIS GRANT.
SO JUST A, A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, FY 26, UM, THE TOTAL CONTRACT WAS $266,000 AND SOME CHANGE.
UM, THE M-V-C-B-A GRANT AWARDED 80% OF THAT.
THE REP, UH, 20% WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, PAID FOR THROUGH THE IT REPLACEMENT FUND ALSO IN 27.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THAT, UH, THAT CONTRACT HAS OUR CURRENT FUNDING MODEL AS OF NOW.
ON AUGUST 26TH, UM, GOVERNOR ABBOTT ORDERED ALLSTATE AGENCIES TO PAUSE FUNDING FOR A-L-P-A-A-L-P-R CAMERAS.
UM, IT IS UNCLEAR AT THIS TIME IF FUNDING WILL BE REINSTATED AT A LATER DATE.
UM, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED OFFICIAL COMMUNICATION FROM N-B-C-P-A REGARDING THIS DIRECTIVE.
UM, WE HAVE OUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH M-B-C-P-A ON OCTOBER 6TH, AND THEN THE NEXT N-B-C-P-A BOARD MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 13TH.
THE HOPE IS THAT MAYBE THERE'LL BE SOME MORE DIRECTION OR SOME CLEAR DIRECTION COMING OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW.
UH, WE'VE HAD, HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH FLU JUST TALK ABOUT THEY'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH A LOT OF AGENCIES THAT HAVE, HAVE STATE FUNDED GRANTS PAYING FOR THESE SYSTEMS SYSTEMS. UM, SO ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, WE MET WITH, UM, OUR CUSTOMER, UH, SERVICE MANAGER, AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, HEY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A FUNDING ISSUE, AS WITH OTHER AGENCIES WAIT TO SEE IF FUNDING COMES BACK THROUGH THE STATE, HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON, UM, WITH THE CONTRACT AND SEE WHERE WE STAND.
FLOCK IS VERY MUCH SEEMINGLY TAKE THE ADVICE OF KIND OF SIT AND WAIT AND SEE WHAT SHAKES OUT AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
UM, BASED ON THE CURRENT FUNDING MECHANISM THROUGH A LPR, UM, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD REDUCE CAMERAS FROM 65 TO APPROXIMATELY 11.
UM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM A A TOWN COVERAGE STANDPOINT? UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LPR CAMERAS AT, UM, MOST MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AND THEN STRATEGIC POINTS AROUND TOWN ALSO ENTRANCE AND EXITS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, SO BASED ON CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT AND BASED ON POTENTIAL FUNDING, WE WOULD LOOK LIKELY LOOK AT A POSSIBLE REDUCTION.
SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM THE, THE TOWN LEVEL? UM, OUR CRIME ANALYST, UH, KARA EZZ WAS ABLE TO DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB ON A SHORT NOTICE TO SAY, HEY, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, NOT 65 CAMERAS AT 11 CAMERAS, WHERE DOES THAT STAND FROM A COVERAGE OF THE, OF THE TOWN? UM, AND SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN TALK THROUGH WITH COUNCIL JUST FROM A FUNDING MECHANISM, UM, IF WE'RE HAVING TO FUND THIS INTERNALLY, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO FUND THIS INTERNALLY DUE TO EITHER MAYBE STATE GRANT FUNDING NOT COMING THROUGH OR SOMETHING AT THE STATE LEVEL.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT TOWARD THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION.
I CAN GIVE, UM, SOME VERY PRELIMINAL PRELIMINARY, UM, COSTS OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
I JUST REAL BRIEFLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, FLOCK AROUND DFW AND THEN TAKE A BROADER VIEW OF FLOCK CAMERAS AROUND TEXAS.
UM, THIS IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.
UM, WE UPDATED THE PRESENTATION YESTERDAY BECAUSE PLANO, UH, MADE THE DECISION THE OTHER DAY.
SO IN DFW, UM, CARROLLTON HAS DECIDED TO CONTINUE FUNDING.
DALLAS HAS SCALED BACK DUE TO THE STATE FUNDING.
ABOUT HALF OF THEIR CAMERAS WERE STATE FUNDED, SO THEY'VE REMOVED ALLOCATIONS FOR THAT AND THEY'RE STILL GOING FORWARD WITH THEIR OTHER FUNDED CAMERAS.
UM, FORT WORTH HAS DECIDED TO CONTINUE FUNDING.
PLANO IS DEACTIVATING AS OF RIGHT NOW DUE TO LOSS OF STATE FUNDING.
UM, AND WILEY HAS, UH, TERMINATED THEIR CONTRACT.
TAKING A BROADER VIEW THROUGHOUT TEXAS.
UM, FLUER AVAIL, HAYES COUNTY, SAN MARCO, HOOD COUNTY AND WILEY HAVE ALL DECIDED TO TERMINATE THEIR CONTRACT.
AUSTIN HAS DECIDED NOT TO RENEW.
LOREDO AND LEANDER ARE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.
HOUSTON HAS ALSO SCALED BACK DUE
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TO SOME FUNDING.CONROE, FORT WORTH AND CARROLLTON HAVE ALL DECIDED TO CONTINUE FUNDING.
SO THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF TWOFOLD.
ONE, DOES THE COUNCIL CONTINUE? DOES THE COUNCIL SUPPORT THE CONTINUED RESPONSIBLE USE OF A LPR TECHNOLOGY? AND IF SO, TO WHAT LEVEL? UM, IF THE ANSWER IS YES, I'D LIKE TO UPDATE THE TOWN POLICY JUST TO ALIGN MORE WITH OUR MORE RESTRICTIVE INTERNAL POLICY AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION TO EVALUATE OPTIONS DEPENDING ON POSSIBLE STATE FUNDING ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN WE APPROVED THE INITIAL LPRS AND, AND, UM, I'M, I'M A BIG FAN OF, OF UTILIZING THIS TECH TECHNOLOGY AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER.
UM, BUT CHIEF, CAN YOU GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LIKE A LPR AND WHAT WE'RE CALLING AN A LPR? IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING.
THOSE TERMS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.
I'M GONNA, I'M SORRY I DIFFER WITH YOU.
UM, SO WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY WHEN RANDY WAS ASKING YOU QUESTIONS IS ONE JUST READS LICENSE PLATE READERS AND, AND ANOTHER ONE ALMOST HAS THE CAPABILITY OF MAYBE FINGERPRINTING OF VEHICLE AS FAR AS COLOR, UM, UH, STICKERS ON THE BACK, MAYBE, UM, UH, A BLINKER LIGHTS, A PART OF THE CAR'S BROKEN.
IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? I WOULD SAY THAT WITH THE ADVANCEMENTS OF TECHNOLOGY IN 2018, WHEN THOSE MOTOROLA CAMERAS, THEY WERE STILL APRS OR LPRS, THOSE TERMS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.
JUST THE TECHNOLOGY WASN'T REALLY THERE THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE PHOTOGRAPH AND ALLOW US TO DO A MORE EXHAUSTIVE SEARCH.
SO THE DIFFERENCE IS THE TECHNOLOGY IS BETTER SOME SEVEN YEARS LATER THAN WHEN WE ORIGINALLY INSTITUTED THAT FIRST PROGRAM BACK IN 2018.
AND REALLY WHERE I'M GOING IS, IS THE SAME POINT RANDY WAS MAKING.
IS THIS IS, UM, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
SO, SO, UM, I KNOW SOMETIMES THESE CRIMINALS WILL STEAL A VEHICLE AND THEN THEY'LL CHANGE THE LICENSE PLATE AND THEN THEY'LL COMMIT A CRIME WITH A CAR THAT THEY'VE STOLEN AND THEY'VE CHANGED THE LICENSE PLATE.
DOES THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY HELP CATCH, UH, CRIMINALS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, IN THAT SCENARIO? ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT VEHICLE SNAPSHOT OTHER THAN JUST A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER.
AND THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M DRIVING AT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE ACRONYMS, THESE NAMINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LICENSE PLATE READER, I THINK WAS THAT RIGHT? BUT WHEN I, WHEN I START LOOKING INTO THIS, UH, THESE FLOCK CAMERAS, UM, IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE THAN, UH, THAN WHAT IT'S DESCRIBED AS AN AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER.
BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, AND IT'S GREAT, RIGHT? BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN IT'S NOT DESCRIBED WELL, IN MY OPINION.
AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE GET INTO POLICY.
AND RESHAPING THE WORDING OF OUR, OF OUR POLICY, BECAUSE THIS IS, WE'RE, WE'RE OUTDATED.
WE'RE REALLY OUTDATED RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH, UH, THE, THE TOWN, THE COUNCIL MADE POLICY JUST BECAUSE OF THE TECHNOLOGY, UM, IS UPDATING AND IT'S UPDATING RATHER QUICKLY.
UM, SO HOW, HOW ABOUT, UH, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THESE CITIES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, HAS CROSSED MY MIND IS WE'RE SUCH A SMALL CITY AND WE'VE GOT, WHAT, 20, 25% IS AIRPORT, BUT WE'VE GOT DALLAS AND FARMERS BRANCH AND CARROLLTON.
THEY HAVE ALL, THEY'VE ALL GOT FLOCK CAMERAS.
WHERE WHERE IS FARMERS' BRANCH STAND? DO WE KNOW, HAVE AN UPDATE IF THEY'VE, UH, I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE IF THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN BEFORE COUNCIL.
UM, A PORTION OF THEIR CAMERAS WERE STATE FUNDED THROUGH THE N-B-C-P-A GRANT, SO I'M SURE THEY'RE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR COUNCIL RIGHT NOW.
WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS IF YOU IS, IS IF YOU GET ON SOME OF THESE WEBSITES, YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK AND YOU LOOK AND SEE WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE LOCATED.
UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE NOT EVEN OUR CAMERAS, BUT THEY'RE ALL ON OUR BORDERS AND, AND, UM, UM, SO THEY'RE HELPING WITH, WITH THE CAUSE OF CATCHING THE CRIMINALS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME THEY'RE IMPORTANT AND, UM, AND I WANNA, I WANNA FUND THEM TO WHATEVER DEGREE WE CAN.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO TOO, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UM, TO NOTE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS ACRONYM, THIS, THIS WORDING, THIS NOMENCLATURE IS, IS, UM, IS UP TO DATE.
AND, UH, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE, WHEN WE START SHAPING SHAPING POLICY BECAUSE IT'S THE NAMING'S OUTDATED RIGHT NOW, AND THE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING SO QUICKLY.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO THINK A LITTLE BIT BROADER IN OUR, IN OUR NAMING AND NOMENCLATURE AS WE GET TO, UM, TO POLICY.
AND, UH, AND AGAIN, THE OTHER POINT I'M GONNA DRIVE HOME IS WE'RE A SMALL CITY.
WE'VE GOT THESE, WE'VE GOT THESE ALL AROUND US.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY OUR CAMERAS, BUT IT'S THE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE HELPING US, UH, CATCH THE CRIMINALS.
AND, UH, FOR THE RECORD, COUNCIL MEMBER HAS JOINED, UH, THE MEETING
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VIA ZOOM.SO, UH, SO CHIEF, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TRAINING.
YOU SAID THAT OUR POLICY IS THAT OUR, OUR STAFF GOES THROUGH TRAINING.
HOW LONG IS THAT TRAINING? I, MY CALL? DO YOU MIND COMING UP? IS IT HOUR, IS IT TWO HOURS? IS IT A DAY, IS IT FIVE DAYS? I'M GONNA CALL, UH, OUR CURRENT ANALYST, ESSU, UH, IS ONE OF OUR SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS FOR OUR FLOCK SYSTEM.
UM, SO OUR TRAINING FOR FLOCK CURRENTLY IS A LITTLE BIT SHORTER.
AND IN THAT TRAINING WE TALK ABOUT WHAT SORT OF CALLS, REPORTS, CASES, INCIDENTS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BE USING.
WE TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT SORT OF HOT LISTS THAT WE MAINTAIN AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO.
AND UM, WE JUST KIND OF TRAIN MORE SPECIFICALLY ON HOW TO USE THE WEBSITE, WHAT THE RESULTS MEAN, WHAT THEY DON'T MEAN, AND THEN JUST IMPRESS UPON THE OFFICERS THAT THIS IS THE START OF YOUR INVESTIGATION.
THIS IS NOT THE IDENTIFICATION OF A SUSPECT.
SO WE KEEP IT SHORT BECAUSE OUR OFFICERS ARE, UM, ALREADY RECEIVING SIMILAR TRAINING AND IT'S MOSTLY ON THE TECHNICAL USE OF THE WEBSITE.
AND DO THEY HAVE TO, ARE THEY JUST, DO THEY HAVE TO LIKE, GO THROUGH ANY RETRAINING OR JUST THIS ONE TRAINING ONE AND DONE ANY REFRESHER TRAINING? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF DEPENDENT AT THE OFFICER LEVEL.
UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW OFFICERS THAT ARE LATERAL TRANSFERS FROM OTHER AGENCIES.
SO THEY COME TO US WITH PREEXISTING FLOCK KNOWLEDGE.
THEY ALSO GO THROUGH THE EXACT SAME TRAINING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN LINE WITH WHAT OUR USE POLICIES ARE.
AND THEN, UM, IF WE HAVE ANY NEWER, UM, MORE RECENTLY HIRED OLDER, UM, EMPLOYEES THAT DO NEED REFRESHER TRAINING, THAT'S AVAILABLE AT ANY TIME.
SO, SO CHIEF, UM, I JUST WANNA REITERATE AGAIN 'CAUSE I DID GET SOME CALLS ON, ON FLOCK CAMERAS.
SO THIS DOES NOT IDENTIFY ME AS A PERSON OR DAN OR MARLON AS A PERSON.
IT JUST SEES THE LICENSE PLATES AND MAYBE SOME IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, A DENT OR A BUMPER STICKER VEHICLE AND VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS.
VEHICLE AND VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS.
UM, I SEE ANO, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
OH, ON, ON THE, UH, THE THE ONES THAT TERMINATED THE, THEIR CONTRACTS.
DO YOU THINK IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, OR IF YOU JUST WANNA SPECULATE, IS WAS IT BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING OR WAS IT BECAUSE THE, THE, THE, THE CAMERAS ARE NO GOOD.
THEY WEREN'T A USE, THEY DIDN'T HELP ANYBODY.
WHAT WAS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK BASED ON CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH OTHER CHIEFS IN THE AREA, THIS HAS BECOME A VERY HOT TOPIC, UM, POLITICALLY.
AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS BEING ELECTED ARE WELL KEEN TO THAT AND TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN COMMUNITIES TO WHERE COUNCIL MEETINGS HAVE BEEN PACKED WITH PEOPLE COMING OUT AND TALKING EITHER AGAINST OR FOR IT.
SO, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB, ONE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COUNSEL TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND RESPOND TO OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS.
UM, SO I THINK SOME HAVE BEEN TIED TO FUNDING AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE STATED IT BECAUSE IT WAS DUE TO FUNDING.
I THINK SOME, BASED ON THEIR COMMUNITY, UM, REACTION AND WHAT THEIR COMMUNITY WANTS, THEY'VE DECIDED TO EITHER KEEP THE CONTRACT OR TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.
AND AS FAR ADDISON, YOU FEEL THAT IT IS REALLY HELPED OUR COMMUNITY.
I WILL SIT UP HERE 100% AND SUPPORT THESE CAMERAS AND SAY THAT IT IS A FORCE MULTIPLIER.
IT'S US LEVERAGING TECHNOLOGY TO PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE OF HOW TECHNOLOGY HAS HELPED US SOLVE CRIMES, IDENTIFY PEOPLE, AND ULTIMATELY KEEP THE TOWN OF MADISON SAFER.
AND, AND I'LL JUST MAKE A FOLLOW UP COMMENT ON WHAT CHIEF JUST SAID.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER THREE YEARS AGO WHEN, WHEN I FIRST GOT INTO OFFICERS, WE STILL HAD JUST THE MOTOROLAS OUT THERE AND WE STARTED TO HAVE THAT, THAT RUN OF VEHICLE THEFTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AND THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE AREA.
AND, AND THE COMMENT WE HEARD SO MANY TIMES, WHY ISN'T THE TOWN DOING SOMETHING? WHY ISN'T THE POLICE DOING SOMETHING? THIS DOES SOMETHING.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A GAME CHANGER.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST, I WANTED TO GIVE THAT COMMENT TO RANDY.
UH, WHILE THESE, AN WHILE YOUR ANSWERS ARE STILL FRESH ON YOUR MIND, I'LL START AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, NO FACE FACIAL RECOGNITION CAPABILITY.
IS THAT, IS THAT A FLOCK? NOT, OR IS THAT JUST AN ADDISON? THAT WE DON'T USE FACIAL RECOGNITION.
THAT IS A F**K, THESE CAMERAS DO NOT POSSESS THE ABILITY TO HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
WE SEE ON NCIS ON TV ALL THE TIME AND ALL THESE TV SHOWS THAT THEY'RE,
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THEY'RE POPPING THESE FACES UP WITH ALL THE DOTS GOING ACROSS AND, AND, AND RECOGNIZING THESE PEOPLE.WE CAN HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION OF THE CSI EFFECT
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CLARIFY.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT, THESE ARE NOT, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE SOME OF THESE CAMERAS IN TOWN THAT REALLY AREN'T FACING IN THE DIRECTION OF VEHICLES, THOSE ARE JUST THE LIVE CAMERAS THAT ARE KIND OF MONITORING SCENES IN CASE WE HAVE TROUBLE.
IT'S NOT MONITORING PEOPLE NO.
AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE FOR KABOOM.
UH, WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE LIVE CAMERAS AT THE ON THE DARK TRACK.
UM, AND THAT WAS INVALUABLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT, TO LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET INTO THE PARK AND MAKING SURE THE TRAIN TRACKS WERE CLEARLY CORRECT.
I BET I GOT 50 EMAILS ON THAT CAMERA ALONE SAYING THAT THEY'RE TRACKING PEOPLE.
SO I WANT, I WANT THE PEOPLE TO HEAR THAT.
UM, ON THE TRAINING, DOES TCLS HAVE ANY KIND OF REQUIREMENTS ON TRAINING ON THESE? UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING MANDATED BY TCO NO, SIR.
AND MATE, UH, I'M SURE THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY CHANGE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT MAY BE A, A, SOMETHING THAT'S COMING DOWN THAT THE PIKE WITH THIS STUFF, ONE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A VERY GOOD THING TO DO.
UM, COMPARATOR CITIES, WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING DOWN YOUR LIST, I DIDN'T SEE MANY OF WHAT WE CONSIDER OUR COMPARATOR CITIES.
IS THAT BECAUSE RICHARDSON GARLAND, FRISCO ARE NOT USING THESE CAMERAS, OR THEY'VE JUST NOT TAKEN ACTION YET? NO, NO.
THEY, THEY'RE SHOWING US CAM CITIES THAT HAVE TAKEN ACTION.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE HAD SOME ACTION, SOME PUBLIC FORUM.
THEY, THEY, I WAS ABLE TO SCRUB THEIR NOLOCK CAMERAS EXIST IN ALMOST ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.
UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT EACH OF THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE DECIDED TO DO TO THIS POINT.
UH, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING OUR DATA IS PURGED AFTER 30 DAYS? YES.
IS THAT AN ADDISON POLICY OR A FLOCK POLICY? THAT IS A FLOCK POLICY THAT WE DO.
NO, THE RESEARCH THAT I WAS DOING IS, IS THIS THEIR NEW POLICY? BECAUSE ORIGINALLY IT WAS MUCH LONGER THAN THAT.
NO, I BELIEVE FLOCK HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT 30 DAYS.
NOW THEY HAVE OFFERED AS OF RECENTLY TO SCALE THAT DOWN TO EVEN SEVEN DAYS FOR NEWER CUSTOMERS.
UM, BUT NO, THE, UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 30 DAYS.
MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, AS YOU SAID, IF THE INCIDENTS TAKES PLACE, WE CAN FLAG THIS AND KEEP THAT INDEFINITELY FOR EVIDE EVIDENTIARY PURPOSES.
UM, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE CAMERAS AND, UH, THE VANDALISM THAT MAY OCCUR? FORTUNATELY, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYTHING HAPPENING IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON, BUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THERE'S PRETTY SEVERE VANDALISM GOING ON ON THESE THINGS.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? SO FLOCK MAINTAINS THE CAMERAS 'CAUSE WE LEASE THEM.
UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD A SITUATION ONE TO WHERE A VEHICLE, UH, RAN INTO ONE AND DID FLOCK COME OUT TO RESET THAT FLOCK CAME OUT TO HAVE TO RESET THAT CAMERA.
SO IT'S, THAT WOULD A NORMAL ACCIDENT THOUGH.
THAT WASN'T SOMEBODY WITH A CHAINSAW, NO CHAINSAW, CHAINSAW CUTTING THEM DOWN, NO SPRAY PAINTING THEM OR PUTTING DUCT TAPE ON OR WHATEVER I'M HEARING GOING ON.
YEAH, LOOKING, IT LOOKS LIKE HE, THEY MIGHT HAVE INTENTIONALLY RAN INTO IT, BUT NO, IT WASN'T SAWING IT DOWN WITH A CHAINSAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAVE NO LIABILITY FOR, FOR ANY OF THAT TYPE? NO, THIS EQUIPMENT'S OWNED BY FLOCK.
SO IT, IT BEHOOVES THEM TO THEIR EQUIPMENT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO IT TO COME OUT AND GET IT OPERATIONAL AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
UM, ONE OF THE MAIN, ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS, THESE THINGS STARTED POPPING UP IN INTO YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU KIND OF TOUTED IT, I'M SURE IT GIVES A BETTER VIEW, BUT THEY'RE ON THESE POLLS WAY UP IN THE AIR RATHER THAN BEING DOWN TO WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF OUTTA SIGHT OUTTA MIND.
UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE FIRST COMPLAINTS I WAS GETTING ABOUT THESE BEFORE PEOPLE EVEN REALLY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE.
WHAT'S THIS UGLY THING POPPED UP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ON THIS POLE WITH A BIG SOLAR PANEL ON IT.
AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE'S THREE ON ONE OF THE ENTRANCES THAT ARE COMING IN.
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN, EVEN IF WE ELECT IN THE FUTURE, TO GO BACK TO THIS SYSTEM, COME UP WITH A BETTER WAY OF MOUNTING THESE THINGS TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT AN EYESORE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD? YES.
SO, UH, YES, THE ANSWER, SHORT ANSWER.
UM, THERE ARE LOCATIONS TO WHERE THEY'VE BEEN MOUNTED ON EXISTING POLES, UM, UTILITY POLES, RED LIGHTS.
SO WHEN PRACTICAL, WE CAN DO THAT AND ABSOLUTELY WE CAN GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE LOCATIONS AND SAY, IS THERE A MORE INCONSPICUOUS PLACE WE CAN PUT THIS WHILE STILL GETTING THE INTENDED USE OUT OF IT? WELL, I, I PERSONALLY THINK THE GOVERNOR IS, IS VERY PRUDENT IN, IN THE, IN THE, UM, PAUSE THAT HE'S PUT ON.
AND I THINK THE PAUSE LETS US ALL STEP BACK, REEVALUATE OUR POLICIES, WRITE NEW POLICIES, GET THIS STUFF GOING FORWARD, AND THEN
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COME BACK AND RECHARGE THESE GOING FORWARD.BUT, UH, UH, MY DIRECTION TONIGHT, MY, MY INPUT IS GOING TO BE TO PAUSE THIS UNTIL THE GOVERNOR AND THE STATE RE REISSUE THE, THE FUNDING FOR THESE CHRIS, THANK YOU CHIEF, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, SO IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE PUBLIC BACKLASH IS, IS DUE TO THE IMPROPER USE.
TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, MOVING FORWARD, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT HERE IN ADDISON.
SO LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE VERY, VERY STRICT CLEAR POLICIES IN PLACE.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO EVERY OFFICER TO, THEY KNOW WHAT A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE IS.
UM, WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO WHERE IF SOMEBODY DOES CONDUCT AN IMPROPER SEARCH, WE FIND IT AND THERE WILL BE SWIFT ACTION TAKEN AGAINST THAT PERSON.
WE HAVE A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY.
THE AS POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOT ONLY FOR FLIGHT SYSTEM, BUT MISUSING ANY OF OUR SYSTEMS. WE HAVE A MULTITUDE OF TECHNOLOGY APPLICATIONS THAT WE USE IN OUR DAILY LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES THAT ARE CGE CERTIFIED, THAT IS AN ACTUAL CRIMINAL VIOLATION TO, UH, MISUSE THOSE SYSTEMS. WE HOLD THE SAME STANDARDS FOR, FOR THIS A LPR SYSTEM AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN THE INFORMATION, I KNOW WE, WE TOUCHED ON THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
IT'S DELETED WITHIN 30 DAYS HERE, BUT WHAT ABOUT ON FLOCK SIDE? IT IT'S DELETED FROM THE, IT'S DELETED FROM THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
IF WE ARE AWARE OF SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK BACK AT EVERY SEARCH THAT WAS CONDUCTED, WHO SEARCHED IT WHEN IT WAS LOGGED, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THE ACTUAL DATA, THOSE IMAGES ARE PURGED UNLESS KEPT FOR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES.
AND YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT THERE'S SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO, SO IF SOMEONE WAS TO LOG ONTO THE SYSTEM AND USE IT IMPROPERLY, WE'D KNOW WHO IT WAS AND YES, WE COULD DEAL WITH IT APPROPRIATELY.
E EVERY SINGLE SEARCH, EVERY SINGLE LIST THAT'S CREATED IS LOGGED AND TAGGED, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THAT.
SO, AS I REMEMBER, THE CONTRACT WAS CONTINGENT UPON FUNDING.
WE'RE NOT SURE THAT FUNDING'S GONNA BE THERE.
SO IN 2018, WE STARTED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THEN WE MOVED OUT TO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE, WHERE, WHERE DO, WHERE DO THESE CAMERAS MAKE THE MOST SENSE IF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE MOST OUT OF 'EM? AND IF WE DO GET IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT A SELF-FUND, WHAT, WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY GET THE MOST TO USE? GREAT QUESTION.
UM, SO KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES.
UM, THE TOWN ORIGINALLY ROLLED THIS OUT IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND AGAIN, LIKE THE MAYOR STATED AND WHAT I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, PEOPLE WANNA KNOW IF THEY CAMERAS ARE WORKING AS THEY GO INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, WHEN WE EXPANDED IT, WE PUT IT AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, THE PERIMETERS OF OUR, OUR TOWN TO SEE WHO'S COMING AND GOING.
UM, I THINK IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR, FOR BOTH.
IT'S TWO KIND OF SOLVING TWO DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. UM, AT THE ENTRANCE OF EXIT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE KEURING THOSE TIMES THAT, UH, A RESIDENCE VEHICLE GETS STOLEN OR THERE'S A MALE THEFT OR SOMEBODY COMES IN AND DAMAGES A VEHICLE.
WE ARE BEING WITH A TIMESTAMP, WE'RE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD CHANCE OF IDENTIFYING THAT VEHICLE AND THEN STARTING THE, THE INVESTIGATION.
IF WE REMOVE THE CAMERAS FROM THE ENTRANCE NEXT TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT DATA.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE OF THE 500,000 CARS THAT CROSSED BELTLINE AND MIDWAY DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, BUT WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO NARROW IT DOWN TO THOSE LOCATIONS.
UH, WHEN YOU PUT ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE TOWN MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT MORE VEHICLES COMING BY.
THAT'S MORE OF AN ALERTING SYSTEM OF THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL WITH A FELONY WARRANT, THERE'S A WANTED SUB SUSPECT COMING IN THROUGH YOUR TOWN.
UM, SO I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY, UH, IMPORTANT.
AND TO THAT POINT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE, LIKE I SAID WITH, UM, KARA DID A GREAT JOB OF LINING OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, AND SO I'D LOVE TO JUST KIND OF SHARE THAT RIGHT NOW OF, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 65 CAMERAS THROUGHOUT TOWN, SO THAT'S ALL MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AND ENTRANCE AND EXITS OF MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, IF WE JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO JUST NEIGHBORHOODS, NOTHING ON THE EXTERIOR CORRIDORS.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S ABOUT 17 CAMERAS.
UM, AND THAT'S LOOKING AT ABOUT $51,000 GIVE OR TAKE JUST BASED ON THAT, WHAT EACH OF THESE CAMERAS COST.
UM, IF WE WANTED TO INCLUDE SOME CRITICAL AREAS OF MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, UM, AND NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT'S 16 CAMERAS, SO THAT'S A REDUCTION OF ONE.
UM, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND, UM, WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 33 CAMERAS THAT WOULD GIVE US GOOD COVERAGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER STOLEN VEHICLES IS HAPPENING AT PLACES OTHER THAN OUT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, HAVING PLACES OF BUSINESS ALONG THAT BELTLINE COOL ROAD.
SO IT WOULD STILL PROVIDE US THAT COVERAGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK WANTS.
AND THEY WANNA SEE THAT THEY LIKE HAVING THOSE CAMERAS THERE KNOWING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SEE WHO'S COMING AND GOING IN
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THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS, BUT ALSO ALLOWS US TO PUT 'EM IN CRITICAL LOCATIONS THAT REALLY POINT OUR INVESTIGATORS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WHERE WE HAVE THESE OTHER MORE HEINOUS ACTS AND STOLEN VEHICLES, THE ASSAULTS AND ROBBERIES, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GETTING PEOPLE COMING IN.UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY KEEPING IT CURRENTLY AT OUR 65 CAMERAS.
SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS. SO IT'S REALLY WHAT'S THE APPETITE, UH, DO WE STILL SUPPORT IT? AND THEN TO WHAT LEVEL OF FUNDING WE HAVE OPTIONS KIND OF SET FOR EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S A PRETTY STRONG DETERRENT TO CRIME.
MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE SOME ASPECT OF ONE OF THESE OPTIONS TO WHERE WE HAVE NEIGHBOR COVERAGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND COVERAGE TO OUR, UH, MAJOR ROADWAYS AS WELL.
AND THAT LEADS ME TO MY LAST QUESTION.
SO IT IT, IT FEELS LIKE TO ME THAT THERE'S MORE VALUE IF THERE'S MORE OF A NETWORK AND THERE'S MORE USERS.
UM, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT CARROLLTON IS ON BOARD, YOU WEREN'T SURE ABOUT FARMER'S BRANCH DALLAS IS REDUCED RICHARDSON GARLAND.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S STILL WORKING THROUGH IT, BUT AS, AS THE USE SAY, SAY, REDUCES OUR NEIGHBORS, REDUCE THE USE OF THOSE CAMERAS, IS THERE STILL VALUE IN HAVING THOSE IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY? I THINK SO, YES SIR.
UM, SO COULDN'T WE DO THE SAME SEARCHES WITH THE OLD CAMERAS IF THERE WAS ANOTHER CITY THAT HAD THAT SAME NETWORK? YES.
I MEAN, I MEAN IF, IF, UM, THE, THE MISUSE COULD HAPPEN WITH THE OLD CAMERAS.
SO IT COULD HAPPEN SINCE 2019.
THAT, THAT, THAT POTENTIAL TO MISUSE TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND.
I THINK THE RAPID PROLIFERATION OF FLOCK, UM, HAS KIND OF GOT SOME SURFACE AREA FOR PEOPLE TO, TO START LOOKING AT.
BUT THE PROBLEM'S BEEN THERE AND WE'VE BEEN MANAGING THIS RISK OR HAD THE SAME RISK.
UM, WHEN, UH, WHEN AN OFFICER DOES A SEARCH, UH, ARE THERE ANY SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE? CAN THEY JUST GO SEARCH ANYBODY? NO.
SO LET'S SAY A, A PATROL OFFICER GETS CALL, A CALL TO, UM, INVESTIGATE A STOLEN VEHICLE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE THAT HOT LIST.
THEY'VE GOT A REQUEST THAT AN INVESTIGATOR DO THAT OR A SUPERVISOR DOES IT.
SO NOT ANYBODY CAN JUST CREATE A HOT LIST, WHICH ALLOWS, THAT'S WHAT THE, THE PLATE GOING INTO THE FLUX SYSTEM, YOU'VE GOT SOME SORT OF PERMISSIONS BASED ON USERS AND STUFF.
SO IF THAT USER THAT HAS THE PERMISSION REQUESTS, IT DOES IT, IS IT SECONDED BY A, UH, ANOTHER OFFICER OR IS IT, DO THEY JUST HAVE THAT JURISDICTION TO, TO DO THAT? THEIR ROLE ALLOWS THEM TO DO IT AND THAT THAT INPUT IS AUDITED WITHIN A LOG, SO THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT ITS FOR LEGIT AUTHORITY BUILT INTO THE ROLE.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE, IT HAS TO BE TIED TO AN, UH, A CASE NUMBER.
IT'S NOT, THEY CAN'T JUST CREATE ONE AND TYPE IN WHATEVER THEY WANT.
IT HAS TO BE TIED TO A VERY SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A CASE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
UH, AND, AND ALL THE AUDITING I THINK IS, IS REALLY GOOD.
SO WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE SECURITY, THE, UH, TRAINING ON IT, DO THEY HAVE TO SIGN ANY SORT OR THIS IS REALLY JUST NOT TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, AUTHORITY LEVEL, BUT DO THEY HAVE A, UH, A USE, ACCEPTABLE USE? DO THEY HAVE TO SIGN A A YES.
AN ACCEPTANCE OF THIS IS HOW I WILL YES.
ANYTIME WE ISSUE A POLICY, IT HAS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED BY EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE AND WHENEVER IT'S UPDATED YES.
AND WHENEVER WE SEND OUT UPDATES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO THEY, SO IT, IT IS POSITIVE ACCEPTANCE.
UM, SO, UH, WE WERE MEETING WITH, UH, JUST A, UM, A BUSINESS TODAY AS A MATTER OF FACT ON A ME VISIT.
AND THEY HAD MENTIONED SECURITY IN TOWN ABOUT HOW SAFETY AND SECURITY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE IN A LOT OF PLACES WALKING AROUND FOR BEING RESIDENTS OR, OR WALKING FOR EXERCISE OR BUSINESS OR WHATEVER.
AND UM, OBVIOUSLY SAME WITH CARS MOVING ABOUT AS WELL.
SO HAVING EXTRA SECURITY, I THINK, UM, IS, IS A, IS A, UM, IT'S A GOOD THING FOR OUR TOWN.
SO IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENTIATOR TO, TO HAVE A SAFER TOWN THAN NOT.
I'D LIKE TO BE KNOWN AS THE TOWN THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE EXTRA SECURITY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE MORE OF A, OF A TARGET FOR POTENTIAL CRIME.
SO I'M, I'M NOT REALLY, UH, A FAN OF THAT.
SO THIS IS, OUR FUNDING IS CONTINGENT UPON GRANTS FROM THE STATE.
SO IF WE WERE TO TERMINATE, DO WE HAVE ANY OBLIGATION FOR PAYING ANY, ANY OF THE AGREEMENT? JUST TO CLARIFY, I GUESS MORE OF A DAVID QUESTION.
NO, OUR AGREEMENT WAS CONTINGENT ON THE GRANT.
SO WE BELIEVE WE HAVE THE OPTION TO TERMINATE IF WE DO NOT RECEIVE THE GRANT.
SO THAT LEADS TO THE QUESTION THAT WE WANT TO HEAR AS, AS Y'ALL ARE TALKING MM-HMM
IS HOW MUCH ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH SELF-FUNDING? I THINK THE WAY CHIEF JUST OUTLINED IT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TODAY IS HELPFUL OF IF THAT, IF WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH SELF-FUNDING, WHAT LEVEL ARE WE COMFORTABLE? DO WE, WOULD WE BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET NOW AROUND 50,000 OR, UM, A
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HIGHER AMOUNT, BUT MAYBE LESS THAN 200 PLUS? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT DISCUSSION TO HEAR.IF WE DID ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UH, WITHOUT A GRANT, WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM? SO INITIALLY WE HAVE FUNDS IN THE IT REPLACEMENT FUND THAT WOULD HELP WITH KIND OF THE INITIAL PAYMENTS ULTIMATELY LONG TERM.
I MEAN, THE GENERAL FUND IS WHAT'S GONNA PAY FOR THAT.
JUST LIKE IT'S PAYING FOR THE 50,000.
WE WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET IT ON FORWARD YEARS, JUST AS THE NATURE OF THIS GRANT.
I, I THINK I ASKED THIS BACK WHEN WE APPROVED THIS, UH, THESE NEW FLOCK REPLACEMENTS.
UM, THIS IS A SUBSCRIPTION, SO IT'S A COST EVERY YEAR OF $260,000.
UH, IS, WAS THAT EXPECTED TO BE A PERPETUAL GRANT FROM THE STATE? YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT, WE, YOU ALWAYS, ANYTIME YOU GET A GRANT, IT COULD GO AWAY.
SO WE DO BELIEVE IT'S A VERY, UM, IT'S A GRANT THAT'S GONNA BE AROUND A WHILE.
WE HAVE NO REASON TO THINK IT'S NOT, BUT WE, WE NEVER WANNA RELY AND ASSUME A GRANT'S GONNA BE THERE FOREVER BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW LIKE WE ARE HERE.
RIGHT? SO, BUT I, THAT'S WAS MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO THAT IT WAS A PERPETUAL, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OUR OBLIGATION IF WE SCALE BACK TO, UM, THE PIECE THAT WE WERE CONTRIBUTING AND SAY, THAT'S GONNA BE OUR BUDGET OF 20% AND IT'S 11 CAMERAS, AND IS THERE A COST FOR THEM TO COME AND TAKE 'EM BACK OFF THE POLES? DO THEY TAKE THE POLES UP? THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THINK WE HAVE THE ANSWERS FOR THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK ABOUT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE FUNDED IT OBLIGATION POLICY.
UM, YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA SHARE IS, IS TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I WAS ON COUNCIL A FEW YEARS BACK AND, UH, WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF, UH, CATALYTIC CONVERT, CONVERTER THEFT, I MEAN A HUGE, HUGE AMOUNT.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD TWO, TWO SPOTS UNFORTUNATELY, WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF AUTO THEFT AND, UM, WE GOT THIS TECHNOLOGY AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF CALMED DOWN.
I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYTHING WENT AWAY, BUT IT, IT REALLY CALMED DOWN.
UM, SO I WAS APPRECIATIVE OF, OF, UH, THAT OCCURRING AND NOT GETTING ALL THE PHONE CALLS AND, YOU KNOW, SO I'M APPRECIATIVE OF, OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT IN MIND, I, YOU KNOW, MY GUIDANCE IS GOING TO BE TO, UM, TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE'LL GET STATE FUNDING AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THE STATE IS GONNA FUND IT.
THE QUESTION IS TO ME IS NOT, NOT IF IT'S WHEN, SO IDEALLY MAYBE IN DECEMBER, UM, THAT MIGHT OCCUR.
BUT EVEN IF IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SCALE THIS DOWN, UM, SCALE IT DOWN AND, AND PAY FOR SOME AMOUNT OF FLOCK.
AND THEN IF WE DO GO THAT ROUTE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT WE'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, A POLICY QUESTION.
WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT POLICIES.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S BY DESIGN.
UM, BUT IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR IN MY MIND TO TAKE TWO POLICIES, UM, THAT PROBABLY BOTH NEED TO BE UPDATED, MAKE IT ONE UPDATED POLICY.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY GUIDANCE.
RANDY, DAN'S HAD HIS HAND UP FOR QUITE A WHILE.
I WOULD YIELD TO HIM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO TO HIM.
HEY DAN, WHENEVER YOU NEED TO RAISE YOUR HAND, DO IT ON THE, UH, ON THE APP SO I CAN SEE IT.
'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE YOU WHEN YOU SWIPE YOUR HAND.
ODDLY ENOUGH, I'M SITTING HERE SCANNING THE SCREEN AND I CAN'T FIND MY LITTLE, RAISING MY LITTLE, MY LITTLE HAND ON MY SCREEN, ODDLY ENOUGH FOR TONIGHT'S ZOOM.
UM, TO THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE, BRUCE, YOU, YOU MADE THE POINT, MARLON JUST REITERATED ABOUT THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS THAT WAS GOING ON AND IT WAS A MAJOR, MAJOR UPROAR IN THE TOWN'S CONSTITUENCY.
UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS MEASURE.
OBVIOUSLY, I THINK CHIEF, YOU DO A GREAT JOB IN TERMS OF ANALYZING THE SAME WAY ANY DIRECTOR OR DEPARTMENT HEAD WOULD DO IS WHERE CAN WE CUT COSTS? WHERE DO WE HAVE TO SAVE? I DON'T THINK SAFETY AND SECURITY IS EVER AN ISSUE.
UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN PASSING, THIS IS NOT ONE THAT I'M WILLING TO, UM, SIT BACK ON FOR THE CONSTITUENTS.
HEY DAN, COULD YOU SPECIFY WHAT YOU MEAN BY SUPPORTING THE, UH, SUPPORT AT WHAT LEVEL? CAMERAS AT WHAT LEVEL? UM, I'LL TAKE THAT UNDER CHIEF'S ADVISEMENT.
IF HE'S REFERRING TO THE 256, 2 20 COST.
'CAUSE HE IS LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM US.
I DON'T THINK HE'S MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
ARE YOU CHIEF OR LOOKING FOR THE CONVERSATION TO SEE AT WHAT LEVEL? UM, YOU ALL BE COMFORTABLE WITH PROVIDING FUNDING FOR THIS? VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.
UM, I THINK, RANDY, YOU HAD SOMETHING.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I DID.
JUST TO CLARIFY ONE OF DARREN'S QUESTIONS THAT HE HAD FOR YOU WHILE TO GO ON THE POLICY OF CREATING THESE HOT LISTS AND THINGS.
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WHEN YOU WERE TALKING IS EACH INDIVIDUAL OFFICER COULD DO THIS HIMSELF IN, IN THE CAR TO CREATE IT TO COME BACK TO HIM.ARE YOU SAYING YOU HAVE WAS THAT OLD POLICY AND NOW WE HAVE NEW POLICY THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT? CORRECT.
AND, AND WHEN THIS TECHNOLOGY FIRST CAME OUT, EVERY OFFICER WAS ABLE TO CREATE A HOT LIST.
WE HAVE SINCE UPDATED OUR POLICIES TO THE BEST PRACTICES, AND WE ONLY ALLOW CERTAIN RURAL GROUPS TO CREATE THOSE HOT LISTS.
SO THE PROBLEM WE HAD IS NO LONGER A PROBLEM.
SO JUST, THIS MIGHT BE FOR YOU THE TIMING OF THINGS.
SO WE'VE GOT 90 DAYS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND IT COULD BE TO MARLIN'S POINT THAT IN 90 DAYS THERE'S FUNDING, RIGHT? UM, IF THERE'S NOT, WE STILL HAVE USE OF THE SERVICE FOR 90 DAYS.
WE WON'T GET BILLED IN 90 DAYS, SO WE'LL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT FOR THE NEXT 90 DAYS.
SO REALLY, UM, WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE AT WHAT LEVEL, UM, HOW DO WE ARRIVE AT THE 65 CAMERAS WE'VE GOT NOW.
WAS THAT, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAME UP WITH, THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT THAT'S HOW IT COULD BE MOST EFFICIENT? OR WAS THE 65 JUST BASED ON THE LEVEL OF FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED? SO IT WAS BASED ON US LOOKING AT, UM, THE TOWN STRATEGICALLY, WHERE DO WE WANNA PLACE CAMERAS.
UH, WE KNEW THAT NEIGHBORHOODS WERE IMPORTANT AND THEN ALSO WHAT ALLOWS US TO REALLY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.
AND ULTIMATELY THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WE LANDED ON.
I'LL, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL SUPPORT THE MEASURE.
I THINK THEY ARE A STRONG DETERRENT OF CRIME.
UM, I'D SUPPORT IT UP TO THE FULL 65 CAMERAS.
UH, HOPEFULLY WE WILL RECEIVE THE FUNDING THAT WE NEED, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER KEEPING.
IF I COULD JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT AS WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT AND CHIEF CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO IT IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS A FINAL DETERMINATION.
HEY, YOU'RE, WE'RE, THIS GRANT WILL NOT GO TOWARD, UM, LICENSE PLATE READERS TO FLOCK CAMERAS.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO GO AFTER THIS GRANT.
THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE MORE THAN JUST LICENSE PLATE READERS, PHYSICIANS, AND OTHERWISE.
SO IN AN IDEAL WORLD, EVEN IN THAT SCENARIO, WE FI WE USE THIS GRANT TO OFFSET OTHER COSTS.
SO THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD FIND FUNDING THROUGH THIS GRANT.
UM, SO JUST TO SHOW THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S A, A PROCESS THAT WOULD CHANGE AS WE GO WITH THAT.
AND TO, UH, CITY MANAGER'S POINT THAT THE GRANT IS NOT GOING AWAY.
THE USE OF THE FUNDS IS WHAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
OH, SO WHENEVER WE APPLIED FOR THIS LAST GRANT, WE APPLIED FOR MORE.
WE APPLIED FOR, UH, ANOTHER FULL-TIME POSITION.
WE APPLIED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AND N-V-C-P-A CAME BACK AND SAID, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE THE SAME FUNDING AS WE DID LAST YEAR.
NOW AGAIN, UM, WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH M-V-C-P-A RIGHT NOW TO SAY, HEY, WE ALSO APPLIED FOR THIS PROJECT STRING THAT INCLUDED AN ADDITIONAL PERSON.
ALL THESE THINGS, WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAYBE GET SOME MORE CLARIFICATION IN THE NEXT COMING WEEKS THROUGH N-B-C-P-A.
AGAIN, THEY'RE ALSO KIND OF WAITING TO SEE OF WHERE ALL THIS LANDS AS WELL.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, THAT THE GRANT MONEY IS STILL THERE.
IT JUST CAN'T BE USED FOR THE FLOCK.
I GUESS I DIDN'T CAPTURE THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE CAN USE IT ELSEWHERE.
UM, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF KEEPING THE FLOCK CAMERAS.
I'D BE SENSITIVE TO OUR BUDGET AND, AND THE USE OF TAX DOLLARS.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD WANNA SCALE IT BACK TO SOME AMOUNT AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LEVELS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN BETWEEN THE 35 CAMERAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE WOULD INCREASE SOME OF OUR SPEND.
A QUESTION WOULD BE IS IF WE WERE TO, TO DO THAT, SAY WE, WE FUND HALF OF IT OR WE, WE'VE DONE 20% AND WE DO ANOTHER 30%.
IT COMES UP TO HALF IS ABOUT 35 CAMERAS OR SO.
UM, AND THE FULL, THE GRANT MONEY IS RELEASED FOR THIS USE.
UM, CAN WE, I SUPPOSE WE CAN SCALE BACK UP AND DOWN WITH FLOCK TO GO TO THE, THE FULL AMOUNT OF CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE.
I I THINK THE NATURE OF IT BEING A SUBSCRIPTION MODEL MAKES THAT A LOT EASIER.
THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH FLOCK.
BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO, IN A SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE SAYING WE WANT MORE, I THINK THEY WOULD THERE ALWAYS MORE.
SO THAT WOULD BE KINDA MY POSITION ON IT IS TO GO IN BETWEEN, I WANT TO KEEP IT, I WANT TO KEEP SECURITY.
I THINK PROBABLY GET TO 80% OF EFFECT, EFFECT C BY HAVING, UH, ABOUT HALF THE CAMERAS MAYBE.
AND JUST BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD NOT, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A PRUDENT PLACE TO BE.
SO AS YOU'RE SCALING BACK, JUST IN GENERAL TO SCALE IT BACK OR IF THE FUNDING DOESN'T, IF IF THE FUNDING DOESN'T COME BACK, IF THE FUNDING COMES BACK, WE STILL, IF FUNDING COMES BACK, THEN WE GO TO THE FULL AMOUNT, THE FULL, UH, SCOPE THAT WE HAD APPROVED.
BUT IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE KEEP IT AT THE SCALE BACK.
AND DO WE KNOW, DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHEN WE WOULD HAVE A FINAL DECISION ON THAT? OR, OR IS IT JUST ALL UNKNOWN? I, I THINK IT'S ALL UNKNOWN.
I MEAN, EVEN THE 90 DAYS THAT WE'RE REFERENCING, THAT'S REALLY FROM FLOCK, THAT'S NOT FROM THE STATE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
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I MEAN THE, THE STATE STANCE IS WHAT THE GOVERNOR SAID.SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR YEAH.
BUT THIS, THIS CONVERSATION AND DIRECTION DOES HELP US QUITE A BIT.
SO, SO LEMME GET A FEEL FOR WHERE EVERYBODY IS.
I KNOW DAN SAID HE'S ON BOARD FOR JUST CONTIN CONTINUING AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE RIGHT NOW.
I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION, CHIEF.
UM, SO BASED OFF OF OUR NEIGHBORING, UH, TOWNS AROUND US, SO WE HAVE 65 RIGHT NOW.
LIKE I KNOW LIKE RET IS LARGER THAN WE ARE.
HOW MANY CAMERAS DO THEY HAVE OR DO YOU KNOW, JUST OFF THE TOP, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT NUMBER.
THEY HAVE MORE CAMERAS THAN US.
CARROLLTON HAS MORE CAMERAS THAN US.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER.
I WAS JUST, IF YOU KNEW BUT NOT A NEED.
SO I'M, I'M ACTUALLY ON BOARD WITH, UM, HOW IT IS NOW AND JUST LEAVING IT FULL IN THE FACT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE SAFETY AND, UM, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ON BOARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND MARLON, YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION.
SO IF IF THE FUNDING GOES AWAY, THEN WHAT IF, IF THE FUNDING GOES AWAY, THEN UNFORTUNATELY WE TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS, I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, STAY 100% WITH THE CAMERAS.
UM, SO, SO MAYOR, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WAS, UM, I'M FOR A SCALE.
IF WE DO NOT GET THE STATE FUNDING, I DO BELIEVE WE WILL GET IT.
BUT IF WE DON'T GET IT, UM, I'M, I'M OPEN FOR SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, I WANNA CONTINUE WITH FLOCK, BUT MUCH MORE SCALED DOWN.
AND, AND I WOULD LOVE TO AGAIN COME BACK TO CHIEF FREEZE AND HEAR LIKE, HEY, HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT A, MAYBE A COUPLE PLANTS, ONE'S GOT 33 CAMERAS AND HERE'S THE COST FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE MIGHT HAVE 15 OR 20 OR SOMETHING.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
I HOPE WE DON'T GET TO THAT SITUATION.
BUT, BUT IF WE GOT THERE, I WOULD, I WOULD BE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'D BE VERY SCALED DOWN.
AND I THINK I'M PRETTY MUCH WHERE YOU ARE WITH THIS, MARLON, JUST TO, TO CONTINUE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE SOME CERTAINTY ON WHAT THE FUNDING LOOKS LIKE, IF THEN WE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERS ANOTHER CONVERSATION AT THAT TIME.
LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND CHRIS, YOU SAID YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
RIGHT? AND RANDY, I WANT TO COMPLETE PAUSE ON THIS UNTIL IT, UNTIL THE FUNDING IS IS REPLACED BECAUSE THE FUNDING HAS BEEN PULLED.
YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT IF THE PAN FUNDING WILL BE PULLED.
IT HAS BEEN PULLED AT THIS POINT.
SO PAUSE UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.
I, I, WE CANNOT AFFORD $268,000 AND I, I WASN'T PROPOSING THAT, BUT I THINK THE WORD WAS PAUSED, NOT PULLED.
BUT THE CHECK'S NOT IN THE MAIL IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY, THAT'S WHAT I'M WANTING TO DO IS PAUSE.
SAME THING THE STATE IS DOING.
I THINK THE UPDATE TO OUR POLICIES, THE REFRESHER ON THAT AND THE CHANGE THAT YOU HAVE THERE EASES MY CONCERNS ON, ON THE USE OF IT, UH, ON HOW WE USE IT AND NOT ABUSE IT AND ABUSE THE POWER OF AUTHORITY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WE SPLIT, UH, THE FUNDING, UH, TO WHERE WE GO ABOUT A HALF OF, OF WHAT WE WERE, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY POSITION.
I UNDERSTAND COUNSEL MAY DIFFER, BUT THAT'S MY POSITION.
DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION YOU NEED OR NOT? I, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS FOR NOW WE'RE CONTINUING AS IS IF WE GET MORE INFORMATION IN TWO MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO, WHEN IN TWO MONTHS WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION TWO MONTHS OR SO.
AND IF WE AT THAT TIME DON'T BELIEVE THE GRANT FUNDING'S COMING BACK AT ALL, WE WILL HAVE SOME OPTIONS OF HOW WE'RE GONNA, WHAT, WHAT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SELF-FUNDING COULD BE.
UM, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, WE ARE NOT DOING ANY IMMEDIATE ACTION ON THE, IS THAT GENERALLY THE, THE CONSENSUS? THAT'S WHAT I HAD FOR THE FIRST QUESTION IN POLICY.
THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THE POLICY AND, AND OUR TOWN POLICY IS WITHOUT A DOUBT OUT, WE OUTDATED.
UM, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ONE, ONE POLICY.
AND YOU GUYS ARE GONNA COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ON THAT.
RIGHT? UPDATED, WE'LL BRING, WE'LL BRING BACK A POLICY THAT'S, YEAH.
AM I HEARING THAT WE'RE GONNA SEND FLOCK A $268,000 CHECK TO CONTINUE AS WELL? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I NEED.
NO, BECAUSE I, I DON'T HAVE CLARIFI I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE CONTINUING, WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM WE'RE STOPPING, BUT WE ARE NOT SENDING THEM A CHECK BECAUSE THEY TOLD US WE DO NOT HAVE TO FOR THE NEXT 90 DAYS.
SO WE STILL HAVE, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA PAY FOR NOW AND WE STILL GET FULL USE OF THE SERVICE.
DAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? I SAW YOU UNMUTED.
YEAH, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE I HEARD MARLON MENTIONING NUMBERS OF 15, 30, 36, 56.
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FULL FORCE OF CAMERAS RIGHT NOW? ISN'T IT CLOSER TO 60 CHIEF? 65.SO I'M GONNA STAY AS, I WANNA STAY AS IS FOR 90 DAYS OR 89 DAYS, LET'S CALL IT.
AND AFTER THAT, IF THE FUNDING DOES NOT COME THROUGH, I'M SURE CHIEF WILL COME BACK WITH OPTION A, B, OR CI WANT 25, 35, 45, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
CHIEF, I TRUST YOUR OPINIONS OF YOUR STAFF TO COME MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS POLICY WISE.
LET'S GET A CLEAR AND UPDATED 2027 POLICY ON USAGE OF, OF THE TOWN'S USE OF FLOCK.
AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK THAT COVERS IT.
DAN, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US? I DO.
SHE'S THAT SUPERSTAR THAT, UH, HIDES BEHIND THE SCENES AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ALRIGHT, ITEM, UH, SIX B, TAKE A BREAK.
LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
OKAY, IT IS 6 45 AND WE'RE COMING BACK AFTER A SHORT BREAK INTO OUR WORK SESSION.
[b. Present and discuss potential amendments to Chapter 2, Section 2-351 of the Code of Ordinances for building permit fees, plan review and inspection fees, fire department fees, and other development fees. ]
GOING INTO ITEM SIX B PRESENT AND DISCUSS POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER TWO, SECTION TWO DASH 3 51 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH FEES, BUILDING PERMIT FEES, PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTION FEES, FIRE DEPARTMENT FEES, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT FEES.LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
UM, THIS EVENING WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING, UM, ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, FEES THAT LIVE WITHIN THE MASTER FEE ORDINANCE.
THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN SECTION TWO DASH 3 51 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
IT ESTABLISHES A WIDE VARIETY OF FEES WITHIN THE TOWN, UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, AS, UM, PROCESSES OR, UH, FEES GET UPDATED OR NEW FEES GET CREATED, UM, WE'VE CREATED A CENTRALIZED LOCATION THAT HOUSES, UM, ALL OF OUR FEES, UH, RELATED TO VARIOUS ACTIVITIES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AND THROUGH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
UM, SO THIS EVENING, UH, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, TWO SECTIONS WITHIN THAT MASTER FEE ORDINANCE.
THAT INCLUDES BUILT BUILDING SAFETY FEES AND THAT RELATES IT'S RELATED TO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL FEES, AS WELL AS, UH, FEES RELATED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, AS THEY RELATE TO DEVELOPMENT AND PERMITTING AND SO FORTH.
UM, THERE ARE MANY OTHER FEES THAT WE AS, UM, STAFF ARE CURRENTLY HAVE REVIEWED OR STILL CURRENTLY REVIEWING.
UM, AND DUE TO THE VOLUME, UM, AND NATURE OF THE DISCUSSION, WE'VE SPLIT IT UP INTO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
UM, SO WE'RE COVERING THESE TWO TONIGHT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, UH, LATER WITH FUTURE WORK SESSIONS TO DISCUSS THOSE OTHER SECTIONS.
UM, SO STARTING OFF WITH BUILDING SAFETY, UM, THIS IS A, A OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY OF THE VARIOUS UPDATES THAT HAVE OCCURRED TO THE BUILDING SAFETY FEES.
UM, YOU'LL SEE MOST RECENTLY THAT IN 2019 THERE WAS A, UM, A CONSOLIDATION, BUT ALSO A CHANGE TO HOW THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES ARE, UM, APPLIED, IF YOU WILL, UM, DUE TO A CHANGE IN STATE LAW, UM, BUT USING THE VALUATION AS A BASIS FOR RESIDENTIAL PERMITTING.
UM, SO THERE, THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION OF ALL OF OUR FEES WAS DONE IN 2015.
UM, SO WE'RE ABOUT 11 YEARS SINCE, UM, OUR LAST COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION.
SO, UM, FROM LOOKING AT THIS, WE TOOK A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT GOALS, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, BUT ONE OF THEM WAS LOOKING AT, UH, COST RECOVERY AND COST OF SERVICE.
UM, THIS INCLUDES, SO OUR DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OPERATING BUDGET, UM, IS ABOUT $3.16 MILLION.
UM, AND OUR REVENUE PROJECTED REVENUE, UM, IS ABOUT 1.75.
SO, UM, AND FOR REFERENCE, THIS DOES EXCLUDE ANIMAL SERVICES, UM, THAT INCLUDES PERSONNEL, OPERATING COSTS AND CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.
UM, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT AS INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS LIKE MANY OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE AND PERMITTING PROCESSES.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE EXCLUDED.
SO ONCE AGAIN, LOOKING AT THAT COST OF SERVICE AND COST RECOVERY, UM, UNDERSTANDING WE'RE LIKELY NOT GONNA GET A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH, UM, VARI THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY SERVICES WE PROVIDE.
UH, BUT USING THAT, UM, AS A BENCHMARK.
AND THEN, SO BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER FEES THAT WE'LL BRING BACK IN, UM, FUTURE, UM, WORK SESSIONS WE'RE ESTIMATING, UM, APPROXIMATELY A $75,000 INCREASE IN IN ANNUAL REVENUE, UM, IF ADOPTED AS PROPOSED.
UM, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT PERMIT REVENUE CAN FLUCTUATE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
IT DOES FLUCTUATE SIGNIFICANTLY BASED UPON DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE HEAVILY RELIANT ON THAT.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WHEN WE WERE EVALUATING ALL OF OUR FEES, UM, WE WERE REALLY FOCUSING ON THE COST OF SERVICE, UM, AS WELL AS RECOVERY, AS WELL AS CONSISTENCY WITH OUR COMPARATOR CITIES WITHIN THE
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REGION.UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY NEW, UM, APPLICATION TYPES, UH, WE ADDED FEES TO MAKE SURE WE ARE RECOVERING AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF COST, UM, FOR THE SERVICE PROVIDED FOR THOSE.
AND THEN, UH, YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT, UM, FEE TYPES, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL, SEVERAL AREAS WHERE WE COMBINED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL FEES, UM, THAT WERE, UH, APPROPRIATE FROM A, A COST OF SERVICE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THAT ALLOWED US TO STREAMLINE THE PERMITTING AND INVOICE PROCESS FOR THE CUSTOMER, BUT ALSO IT MADE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT EASIER ON STAFF.
AND SO WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING OUR PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT, BOTH EX, UM, FOR EXTERNAL CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS OUR INTERNAL STAFF.
SO THIS, UM, IS A VERY LONG LIST.
SO THROUGH THAT EVALUATION, THIS WAS THE, UM, THE PROPOSED CHANGES THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION OF ALL OF OUR BUILDING SAFETY FEES.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE VARIOUS SECTIONS.
UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THEY RANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, VARIOUS TYPES OF PERMIT FEES.
UM, AND SO WE'LL BEGIN, SO I HAVE IT, HOW I HAVE IT PARSED OUT IS, UH, THERE'S A TABLE WITH VARIOUS TYPES OF FEES ON THE TOP, UM, AND THEN OUR COMPARATOR CITIES ON THE LEFT AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT SLIDES HAVE THE, UM, COMPARATOR CITY GRAPHS FOR THESE DIFFERENT PERMIT TYPES.
UM, SO STARTING OFF WITH THE COMMERCIAL PLAN REVIEW, WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY SORT OF PLAN REVIEW FEE.
UM, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMIT, REGARDLESS OF THE VALUE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE THE SIZE OR THE COMPLEXITY, UM, THEY CAN SUBMIT AND WE WILL REVIEW AND PREPARE THE PERMIT FOR ISSUANCE, UH, WITH RECEIVING $0.
UM, NOW WHERE THEY DO PAY A FEE IS WHEN THEY ISSUE THE PERMIT AND CAN BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE SEEN, AND THIS ISN'T, UM, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THIS IS A, UM, A RAMPANT OCCURRENCE, BUT WE HAVE SEEN, UM, PROJECTS WHERE WE COMPLETE THE PLAN REVIEW.
AND SO WE'RE INVESTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME IN PLAN REVIEW AND PREPARING THE PERMIT AND MAKING SURE IT'S, UM, CONSISTENT WITH CODES OR CODES AND ORDINANCES.
AND THEN FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE PROJECT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO WE RECEIVE NO, UM, COST RECOVERY FROM THAT.
UM, SCENARIO, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A 10% PERMIT OR A 10% A FEE THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO 10% OF THE PERMIT FEE.
SO IF THEY WERE REQUIRED AS AN EXAMPLE, TO PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE PERMIT FEE, UM, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THE TOWN AS A PLAN REVIEW FEE FOR COMMERCIAL PERMITS A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
AND THAT WOULD BE DUE INITIALLY, AND THEN THEY WOULD PAY THE PERMIT FEE UPON ISSUANCE.
UM, SO I THINK THE DISTINCTION TO THINK ABOUT IS A LOT OF TIMES THAT, UM, THAT PERMIT FEE HELPS, UM, PAY FOR THE INITIAL PLAN REVIEW AND THEN THE PERMIT FEE, UH, PAYS FOR ALL THE INSPECTIONS THAT OCCUR.
SO, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THROUGHOUT, UM, OUR COMPUTER IS SAME FOR RESIDENTIAL AS IT IS FOR COMMERCIAL.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RE IS THIS JUST COMMERCIAL WORK? CORRECT.
YEAH, SO, UH, RESIDENTIAL IS ACTUALLY AT THE VERY LAST COUPLE OF OF SLIDES.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR COMPARATOR CITIES.
THIS ONE IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COMPARE, UM, AS MANY OF THE CITIES, UM, USE IT VERY DIFFERENTLY.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING A 10%, WHICH IS, UM, SIMILAR TO ALLEN.
UH, YOU DO HAVE CITIES LIKE FLOWER MOUND, UH, GRAPEVINE, UM, AND PLANO THAT ARE 65%, WHICH IS WAS QUITE HIGH, AND THEN HERBING AT 25.
UM, WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE A FLAT RATE.
UM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE A FLAT RATE'S APPROPRIATE GIVEN, UM, THAT THE PERMIT FEE IS, IS TYPICALLY TIED TO THE, THE COMPLEXITY, IF YOU WILL.
AND SO A PERCENTAGE OF THAT, UM, FEE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
CAN YOU CLARIFY, IS THE, UM, COMMERCIAL PLAN REVIEW, THIS 10% YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE PERMIT FEE? MM-HMM
IT'S IN ADDITION TO, SO IT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE FEES.
UM, AND SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT, UM, THIS WOULD EQUATE TO IS A 10% INCREASE OF THE TOTAL FEE.
SO KIND OF WHAT GRAPEVINE AND PLANO ARE DOING AT 65%, THEY'RE DOING 65% IN ADDITION TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF, OF THE PERMIT FEE, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING OKAY, UM, 10% OF THE PERMIT FEE UP FRONT AND THEN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PERMIT FEE AT ISSUANCE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I DON'T, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE ON THIS SLIDE THAT I DON'T HAVE A, A GRAPH FOR.
UM, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE GRAPHS.
SO THIS, IF THE PERMIT FEE IS DEPENDENT UPON THE PROJECT MM-HMM
HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT YOUR 10% IS? IF
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YOU DON'T KNOW THE FULL WILL, YOU KNOW THE FULL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT YEP.UM, SO STARTING OUT WITH OUR COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMIT FEE.
SO, UM, TO GIVE, THIS IS CONSISTENT AMONGST ALL THE GRAPHS, BUT THERE IS, UM, IF APPROPRIATE, THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION AT THE BOTTOM TO SET A BASELINE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, ON THE FAR LEFT IS OUR CURRENT FEE IN ADDISON BLUE.
AND THEN THE NEXT, UM, OVER TO THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED ADDISON.
AND THEN ON THE FAR RIGHT IN BLACK YOU HAVE THE AVERAGE OF THE DATASET.
AND THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, CONSISTENT ACRO ACROSS ALL THE GRAPHS WE'LL LOOK AT THIS EVENING.
UM, AND ARE WITH OUR 13 COMPARATOR CITIES, UM, IN BETWEEN.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMITS, THIS IS BASED UPON A SQUARE FOOTAGE BASIS.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE OUR BASELINE FROM $50 TO $80.
UM, YOU'LL SEE A COMPAR IN, SORRY, COMPARED TO THE REGION, OUR, THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT $78.
UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUMP THAT UP $30 FOR THE FENCE PERMIT FEE.
WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING HERE A $30 INCREASE.
UM, THIS ONCE AGAIN IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE REGIONAL AVERAGE AT $78.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, LOOKING AT FOR FENCE PERMIT, THAT'S TYPICALLY ALSO INCLUDES JUST THE REVIEW, THE PLAN REVIEW, UM, AND THEN TYPICALLY TWO ONSITE INSPECTIONS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE REVIEWING THESE, LOOKING AT THE COMPARATOR CITIES, BUT ALSO WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST TO THE TOWN AND WHAT'S THE SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING FOR A POOL, UM, PERMIT FEE WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE $50.
WE ARE CURRENTLY, UM, THREE 50 AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE TO 400.
UM, YOU'LL SEE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE THAT LINE GOES THROUGH, BUT THE AVERAGE IS 276.
UM, WE ARE ON THE HIGH END OF THE DATA SET HERE.
UM, LOOKING AT A POOL, THE INCREASED COMPLEXITY, UH, WE FEEL LIKE WARRANTS, THE INCREASED FEE GIVEN IN, UH, USUALLY REQUIRES ENGINEERING.
THIS WOULD BE FOR A NEW POOL THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED FOR A RETAINING WALL PERMIT.
WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, AN INCREASE OF $175.
UM, THERE IS SOME NEW NUANCE TO A RETAINING WALL PERMIT.
UM, THIS IS ANY WALL THAT'S GREATER THAN FOUR FEET, AND IT DOES ALSO REQUIRE ENGINEERING.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S LESS THAN FOUR FEET IS CONSIDERED A LANDSCAPE WALL AS AN EXAMPLE.
AND TYPICALLY IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT AND DOES NOT REQUIRE ENGINEERING.
UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, IN THIS, UM, INSTANCE, LOOKING AT THE INVESTMENT FROM A SERVICE LEVEL PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE, UM, MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING AND THE COMPLEXITY OF, OF THE PERMITS WE'RE SEEING, UM, THIS IS HIGHER THAN OUR AVERAGE, WHICH IS ONE 90.
THE REGION FOR MASONRY, UH, WALLS OR FENCE PERMITS.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A $75 INCREASE.
UM, THIS IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH THOSE IN THE REGION THAT CHARGE A FEE.
UM, AND I'LL ADD, THIS IS A BIT CONFUSING.
YOU CAN, IT'S WRITTEN IN THE ASSUMPTIONS HERE, BUT THE, UM, THE ZEROS DO NOT NE NECESSARILY REPRESENT THAT THEY CHARGE $0, IT'S THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE A SPEC SPECIFIED PERMIT FOR THIS PERMIT TYPE.
SO THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE AVERAGE.
DO YOU SUPPOSE THEY USE THEIR FENCE PERMIT FEE IN LIEU OF THEY PROBABLY USE A BUILDING PERMIT FEE BECAUSE IN BUILDING CODE, A, A MASONRY WALL IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A STRUCTURE.
IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD TO COMPARE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, 'CAUSE ALMOST EVERY CITY DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NUANCES AND SO FORTH.
SO WE DID OUR BEST TO TRY TO CREATE A BASELINE THROUGHOUT THESE, UM, WHEN WE'RE COMPARING, UH, APPLES, WELL, TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES IN OUR, THE BEST MANNER WE COULD.
UM, SO WE ARE PROPOSING, SORRY, I DON'T, IF I, THIS IS REPETITIVE, A $75 INCREASE, UM, TO ONE 50, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE AVERAGE OF THOSE CITIES WHO DO CHARGE.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, MASONRY WALLS DO REQUIRE, UM, ENGINEERING AS WELL.
THIS IS SPLIT UP INTO TO THREE SETS FOR THE SAKE OF, UM, VISIBILITY ON THE SLIDE.
UM, THIS IS THE SAME SCENARIO.
WE HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT PERMIT TYPES.
UM, THESE ARE SPECIFIC PERMIT TYPES AS YOU CAN SEE.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE WITH THE DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT GRAPHS.
THE, UM, COUPLE THAT I DON'T HAVE LISTED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO COMPARISON IS SPORTS COURTS.
UM, YOU SEE RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING THE O WE ARE THE ONLY CITY IN THE RECENT REGION TO, UH, HAVE A SPORTS COURTS PERMIT.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, AN INCREASE FROM $75 TO $125.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE THE ONLY CITY IN THE REGION TO CHARGE THAT.
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SO A LITTLE HARD TO COM TO COMPARE WHERE WE'RE AT.UM, AND THEN THE SAME WITH CONTRACTOR VALIDATION.
WE ARE THE ONLY CITY THAT CHARGES THIS, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A NEW PERMIT, UM, OR NEW REGISTRATION OR VALIDATION THAT WE HAVE INCORPORATED.
UM, PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO, UM, WE RAN INTO SOME ISSUES WITH CONTRACTORS, NOT, WE HAD, UM, CONTRACTOR, GENERAL CONTRACTORS TRYING TO USE SUBCONTRACTORS AND PIN WORK ON THEM.
AND THAT SUBCONTRACTOR DID NOT AGREE TO WORK ON THAT PROJECT.
AND SO AS THE TOWN, WE GOT PUT IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION THAT WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHO WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.
WAS IT THE SUBCONTRACTOR, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE INCORPORATED, UM, WHERE AT THE BEGINNING OF A NEW PROJECT, ALL THE SUBS, SUBCONTRACTORS, EXCUSE ME, THEY HAVE TO VALIDATE THROUGH REGISTRATION PROCESS THAT THEY ARE AGREEING TO BE ON THE PERMIT AND THEY AGREE TO TAKE LIABILITY OF THE PROJECT.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW FEE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
DOES THAT NOT MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED FOR YOU RATHER THAN JUST HAVING THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING UNDER HIM? IT DOES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING, UPHOLDING THE, THE CODES AND ORDINANCES.
UM, AND SO WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A SCENARIO WHERE THAT SCENARIO I DESCRIBED WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, UM, LEFT THE JOB.
SO THEN WE WERE LEFT WITHOUT A GC, SO WHICH FELL BACK ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND SO IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS LEFT, UM, IN A DIFFICULT POSITION.
SO ARE WE CHANGING THIS POLICY OVER ONE INSTANCE OR ARE NO, I MEAN, IS THIS MORE COMMON THAN, THAN ONE? SO YEAH, NO, THIS IS THIS, I WOULDN'T SAY THIS IS A FREQUENT OCCURRENCE, BUT IT IS A REGULAR OCCURRENCE THAT WE HAVE, UM, DI DIFFICULTY WITH COMMUNICATION ON THE PRIVATE SIDE.
SO THIS PROVIDES US A REGISTRATION SO WE KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE, WHO IS LIABLE, UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION.
SO IS THIS NOT SLOWING DOWN A PROJECT, BEING A CONTRACTOR MYSELF? NO.
AND HAVING TO HIRE ALL THE SUBS TO COME IN.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THEM ALL GO GET REGISTERED AT THE CITY.
SO WE, US ALL THESE, OUR CONTRACTOR PROCESSES, WE TYPICALLY REFER TO THEM AS OVER THE COUNTER PERMITS BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY CAN ISSUE THEM WITHIN 24 HOURS.
THE, THESE AREN'T, WELL, THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT, NOT THE GENERAL MM-HMM
AND THEY, DO THEY HAVE TO COME IN PERSON OR IS IT, IS THERE A PROCESS? ALL OF OUR PERMITS ARE ONLINE.
SO, UM, NOW MOVING INTO THE COMPARISON, STARTING WITH THE ROOF PERMIT, WE ARE PROPOSING A $75 INCREASE, UM, TO ONE 50.
THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE REGION, WHICH IS ABOUT 1 45, UM, WINDOW PERMIT.
UM, THIS IS JUST SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE, UM, REGIONAL AVERAGE AT ONE ABOUT ONE 16 TRADE PERMIT.
UM, THIS INCLUDES, UH, ALL THE, THE RANGE OF TRADES.
SO THAT WOULD BE ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, MECHANICAL, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU WERE GETTING A ONE-OFF PERMIT.
UM, SO FOR THIS MANY CITIES PROVIDE AN A, A RANGE.
AND SO FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COMPARISON, WE USE THE MIDPOINT OF THOSE RANGES.
UM, AND SO CURRENTLY WE'RE 62 5 AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE ABOUT $18 TO $80.
UM, THIS IS JUST BELOW THE, THE REGIONAL AVERAGE AT ABOUT 92.
UH, FOUNDATION REPAIR, UH, WE WERE PROPOSING A $50 INCREASE.
THIS IS SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE REGIONAL AVERAGE OF 1 0 6.
UH, FOR GENERATOR PERMITS, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A $75 INCREASE FROM TO ONE 50.
UM, THIS IS ONCE AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THE REGIONAL AVERAGE AT ONE 12 AND THEN ONTO THE THIRD AND FINAL DATA SET FOR THE BUILDING SAFETY FEES.
UM, WE HAVE VARIOUS, UH, DIFFERENT FEE TYPES, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, THESE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCED THAN THE PRIOR.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, UNIT OR DEF BASED ON A DIFFERENT UNIT.
SO AFTER HOURS INSPECTIONS, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING AN INCREASE FROM $50 TO $150.
UM, WE DO, UH, WE WOULD BE PROPOSING A TWO HOUR MINIMUM, UH, FOR AFTER HOURS INSPECTIONS.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE OUR REGIONAL, UM, AVERAGE IS ABOUT 180 3 IN TERMS OF COST.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE BELOW THAT, THAT, UM, AVERAGE FOR THE ADDITIONAL PLAN REVIEW.
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INCREASE OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS, UM, TO ONE IN THE ONE, EXCUSE ME, 1 43 IS THE REGIONAL AVERAGE FOR A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A FEE FOR THIS.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A FEE, UM, IN, IN THIS CASE WE, THE FEE IS TWO TIMES THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FEE.
UM, SO FOR THIS COMPARISON, WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, A STANDARD, UH, THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
AND SO THAT FEE WOULD BE $200.
UM, YOU CAN SEE COMPARED TO OUR COMPARATOR CITIES, UM, THAT DO CHARGE FOR A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE.
UM, I WOULD NOTE THAT A TCO IS ESSENTIALLY TREATED THE SAME AS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, BUT IT HAS AN EXPIRATION.
SO THAT MEANS, UM, FOR THIS PROCESS, WE DO HAVE TO DO THE ADMINISTRATION, UM, AND THE COMPLETENESS CHECK, IF YOU WILL, AND THE PROCESSING.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO COMPLETE INSPECTIONS.
AND THAT GENERALLY WOULD INCLUDE, UM, ZONING, COULD INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH IF IT'S A RESTAURANT OR A FOOD BEVERAGE RELATED ESTABLISHMENT, ENGINEERING, FIRE, UM, BUILDING AND WATER QUALITY.
SO WE'RE DOING TYPICALLY SIX INSPECTIONS ON THIS.
UM, AND WE WERE CHARGING $0 FOR THAT.
WHY WOULD WE, WHY WOULD WE ISSUE A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? IT'S OVER JUST GOING AHEAD AND DOING, WE WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY GOING INTO A RESTAURANT AND EATING THAT HASN'T BEEN HEALTH CHECKED.
SO WHERE ARE WE? WHY, WHY ARE WE EVEN CONSIDERING TEMPORARY? WALK ME THROUGH A SCENARIO WHERE THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE, PLEASE.
YEAH, SO IT'S, UM, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SAY HISTORICALLY, UM, ADDISON HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY NOT IN RECENT HISTORY, HAS BEEN, UM, PRETTY, UM, GENEROUS WITH PROVIDING TEMP TEMPORARY CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY.
UM, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE HAVE DIALED BACK TREMENDOUSLY.
I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY ISSUE LESS THAN 15 A YEAR, MAYBE 10 AND I 10.
YEAH, THAT'S TO MY POINT, IF WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THAT, THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM HASN'T BEEN, YEAH, NO.
SO, SO KIND OF OUR RULE OF THUMB IS ANY LIFE SAFETY ISSUE IS A NON-STARTER.
WE WOULD NOT DO A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IF THERE'S ANY LIFE SAFETY ISSUE ITEM REMAINING.
NOW, UH, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EX A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
UM, WE HAD A, UH, A LOCAL RESTAURANT WHO WAS GOING THROUGH A MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION WHO THEY WANTED, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY LIFE SAFETY ISSUES, BUT THEY, THERE WAS STILL SOME KIND OF MISCELLANEOUS THINGS THAT THEY NEEDED TO WRAP UP, UM, INSTALLING, YOU KNOW, THEIR FANCY LIGHT FIXTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WELL, THEIR, UM, HEADQUARTERS WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO OPEN FOR STOCKING AND TRAINING WITHOUT A A CO.
WE ACTUALLY GAVE THEM PERMISSION.
WE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED, WE'RE OKAY AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AS LONG AS YOU ONLY HAVE PEOPLE THERE THAT ARE APP APPROPRIATE TO BE THERE.
AND THEY SAID, NO, OUR HEADQUARTERS WILL NOT ALLOW US FROM A LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE TO BRING IN, UM, OUR STAFF FOR TRAINING AND STALKING PURPOSES WITHOUT A TCO.
SO IN THAT INSTANCE, WE ISSUED THEM A TCO AND THEN THEY WERE SET TO OPEN, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 11 DAYS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY GOT THEIR FINAL CO PRIOR TO OPENING TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT WHEN YOU DO THIS, IT'S IN VERY, VERY UNIQUE SCENARIOS.
AND IS THE, IS THE FEE, LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S AT THE HIGHER END? MM-HMM
IS THE FEE DESIGNED TO, TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM APPLYING FOR TEMPORARY COS NOT, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY HIGH CRITERIA FOR HOW YOU WOULD EVEN APPLY OR HOW YOU, IF YOU WOULD EVEN QUALIFY FOR A TEMPORARY CO.
BUT WHERE WE WERE FOCUSING ON THIS ONE IS WE WERE PERFORMING, LIKE I SAID, SIX INSPECTIONS PLUS THE ADMINISTRATION AND ISSUANCE, AND WE WERE RECEIVING $0.
SO OUR COST RECOVERY, WE WERE INVESTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT IN THAT PROCESS.
WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T RECOUPING ANY COST.
SO FROM OUR, WOULD THIS BE APPLIED TO THE REGULAR CO NO, THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE APPLICATION PROCESS.
SO WILL YOU BE JUST BE REDOING ALL THE INSPECTIONS THEN? YEAH, WELL SEE, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT IF WE'VE ALREADY INSPECTED THIS, WHY WOULDN'T WE? BECAUSE THEY SAY THAT'S BEEN, AS I, I UNDERSTAND.
'CAUSE THEY COULD CHANGE THINGS
I JUST AM NOT, I'M, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHY ANYONE WOULD EVEN WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TWICE.
AND WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, I WOULDN'T SAY WE, WE DON'T ADVERTISE THIS.
LIKE I SAID, IT IS A OKAY, YEAH, WE JUST WANNA RECOVER OUR COSTS IF WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THE SERVICE.
UM, AND NOW THESE ARE THE, THERE, THERE'S TWO PROPOSED NEW RESIDENTIAL FEES.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE.
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FIRST IS A NEW RESIDENTIAL PLAN REVIEW FEE.THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, WE DO NOT CHARGE ANY SORT OF PLAN REVIEW FEE, UM, FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL.
AND ONCE THIS IS FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHERE WE'RE SEEING IT MOST COMMONLY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, IS, UM, ALL THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE, UM, PLAN REVIEWS COMING FOR THESE PERMITS COMING FORWARD.
SO THIS ASSUMPTION IS BASED UPON A NEW 2000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE WE CHARGE $0 TODAY.
WE ARE PROPOSING $200 FOR THE PLAN REVIEW FEE.
UM, THIS, IS THIS PER UNIT IN A TOWN HOME OR IS THIS FOR THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE? IT WOULD BE PER UNIT.
AND SO YOU LOOK AT THE REGIONAL AVERAGE, OUR REGIONAL AVERAGE IS JUST UNDER 1 96.
UM, WHICH IS, ONCE AGAIN, THE ASSUMPTION FOR ALL OF THESE WAS USING, UM, A NEW 2000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, GRAPEVINE AND LEWISVILLE ARE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT PRACTICE, WHICH IS, UH, CHARGING $0.
SO JUST LOOKING AT THIS EXAMPLE, UM, SO THIS, I ACTUALLY TOOK A RECENT PERMIT THAT WE ISSUED.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF A WEIRD NUMBER.
UM, SO THIS WAS A NEW 2,144 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME.
UM, AND I APPLIED AT OUR CURRENT FEE, WE HAVE A $0 PLAN REVIEW FEE, AND THEN THE PERMIT FEE WAS 24, ABOUT $2,400.
AND SO THE TOTAL FEE, OBVIOUSLY $2,400, THE PROPOSED, UM, FEE WOULD APPLY A $200 PLAN REVIEW.
THEN THEY WOULD, THAT WOULD BE DUE UPFRONT WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION.
AND THEN UPON ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMITS SO THEY COULD BEGIN CONSTRUCTION, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THE REMAINING 20, UH, $2,408.
SO IN THIS CASE IT WOULD, IT'S A FLAT FEE.
SO IT WOULD INCREASE THE FEE BY $200.
UM, AND THE, THE, UM, REFERENCES I MADE EARLIER ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT WE DON'T CHARGE A, UH, CURRENTLY DON'T CHARGE A REVIEW FEE.
SO WE ARE, UM, IF FOR SOME REASON THE PERMIT DOESN'T GET ISSUED, WE ARE, UM, DON'T RECOUP ANY COST RELATED TO THE PLAN REVIEW, WHICH IS NOT AS COMMON OF AN OCCURRENCE WITH, UM, SINGLE FAMILY.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONE.
SO YOU'RE, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, UM, IF WE REVIEW THE PLANS AND DON'T REVIEW AND DON'T ISSUE THE PERMIT, THE TOWN SUBSIDIZES, MEANING WE DON'T CHARGE THE REVIEW COST? SORRY.
SO IF ON THE CURRENT FEE, SO SORRY, I THINK I SHOULD HAVE, I SHOULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED THAT AS, AS ON THE PROPOSED FEE, THE ASTERISK SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
SO YEAH, IT'S JUST THE CURRENT FEE STRUCTURE IS IF WE DON'T ISSUE IT, WE, WE SUBSIDIZE ALL OF THE REVIEW COSTS.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS A RESIDENTIAL REMODEL PLAN REVIEW.
UM, CURRENTLY WE, WE CHARGE $0.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND THERE'S A NUANCE TO IT, WHICH I'LL EXPLAIN ON THE, THE NEXT SLIDE.
BUT LOOKING AT THAT IN COMPARISON TO OUR REGION, UM, REGIONALLY IT'S ABOUT 1 93 IS THE AVERAGE.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS BASED UPON A COMMON ASSUMPTION.
SO, BUT IS THERE THE SLIDE, I'M MISSING THE SLIDE, SORRY.
OKAY, WELL, I'M MISSING THE SLIDE.
I WILL, UH, TRY TO EXPLAIN IT.
SO, UM, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THAT NEW A HUNDRED DOLLARS FEE IS WE ARE PROPOSING IT TO BE A NON-REFUNDABLE PLAN REVIEW FEE THAT WOULD THEN BE APPLIED TO THE PERMIT FEE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE AGAIN, AND THIS, AND I APOLOGIZE, UM, SLIDES MISSING THERE, BUT WE, I WENT AND FOUND A RECENT REMODEL FOR A RESIDENTIAL KITCHEN OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THE VALUATION OF THAT WORK WAS $25,000, AND THEY PAID IN A PERMIT FEE, $322.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THE UPFRONT COST WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION WOULD BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS, THEN THE FEE UPON ISSUANCE WOULD BE $222.
AND SO THE FINAL FEE WOULD STILL BE THE SAME $322.
SO ONCE AGAIN, FOR THIS MODEL IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS NOT TO INCREASE THE FEE, UM, BUT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE, UM, WE ARE BEING PAID FOR THE FEE FOR THE SERVICE THAT IS BEING PROVIDED.
UM, AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON THE PERMIT IS NOT ISSUED, WE FOREGO THAT REMAINING 222 $2 IN THIS EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE IT
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IS PROBABLY A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD THAT A RESIDENTIAL REMODEL WOULD, WOULD NOT HAPPEN.ONCE YOU REVIEW THAT, POTENTIALLY.
CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR DEFINITION OF A RESIDENTIAL REMODEL? AT WHAT LEVEL DOES THAT BECOME A REMODEL? HOW MUCH WORK HAS TO BE DONE? WELL, I MEAN, SO IT, THAT, THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING, YOU, IT COULD BE A SINGLE TRADE PERMIT.
SO IF YOU'RE JUST DOING, UM, OR IT COULD BE ANOTHER SINGLE PERMIT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE JUST REPLACING A WATER HEATER THAT'S JUST A WATER HEATER PERMIT, YOU DON'T NEED A REMODEL PERMIT.
IN THIS INSTANCE, THE, AS THE EXAMPLE I USED, THEY WERE DOING A MAJOR REMODEL OF THEIR KITCHEN GUT REBUILD $25,000 WORTH.
SO IT'S TYPICALLY, IF YOU ARE COMBINING MULTIPLE TRADES AND DOING THEM IN ONE LOCALIZED AREA, ONE OF OUR CLOSE CITIES REQUIRES A PERMIT.
IF YOU CHANGE A FAUCET, THEY CONSIDER THAT A REMODEL.
WE, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, WHAT IS OUR LEVEL OF CHANGE OF, OF REMODEL IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CHANGE ALL OF YOUR APPLIANCES OUT IN A KITCHEN, IS THAT A REMODEL? THAT'S A PRETTY, THAT'S A, THAT CAN BE A VERY HIGH DOLLAR FIGURE.
YEAH, BUT NO, SO THAT'S NOT, SO IT REQUIRES, SO A GOOD, A GOOD RULE OF THUMB, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A REALLY LOADED QUESTION.
UH, WE REALLY ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS OR BUSINESS OWNERS TO CALL OUR DEPARTMENT IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS.
AND WE'LL HELP WALK YOU THROUGH WHETHER IT REQUIRES PERMIT OR NOT.
IMAGINE THE LOADED QUESTION, WHEN I WAS TOLD TO REPLACE THE FAUCET, I HAD TO HAVE A PERMIT.
SO WE DO NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THAT.
UM, TYPICALLY IF YOU ARE TOUCHING, OR, AND I SAY, WHEN I SAY TOUCHING, I MEAN MODIFYING, UM, ANY SORT OF ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, UM, MECHANICAL FIXTURES, UM, OR RE OR LIKE REMOVING ANY SORT OF WALLS THAT COULD BE STRUCTURAL.
I THINK THAT IS A FINE DEFINITION.
AND I, I, I WOULD COMPLETELY AGREE.
AND WE DON'T CONSIDER A FAUCET PLUMBING.
UM, SO THAT, OH MY, SORRY, CAN YOU CLICK THIS? THERE WE GO.
UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES THE BUILDING SAFETY FEES.
AND SO MOVING ON TO FIRE FEES.
UH, THIS IS MUCH, MUCH SHORTER.
UM, THE LAST, UM, REVIEW OF THESE WAS IN 2020, UM, FOR FIRE THAT ADDED SEVERAL FEES OR MODIFIED SEVERAL FEES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, IN 2018 IS WHEN THE FIRE PLAN REVIEW FEES, UH, WERE UM, ESTABLISHED.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE FOR DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS, UM, OR PERMITTING, I SHOULD SAY.
SO, UM, FOR THESE AS YOU LOOK, UM, THE CURRENT FEE IS IN THE CENTER AND THE, THE PROPOSED FEE IS ON THE RIGHT.
UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, A, A SLIGHT INCREASE REALLY TO KEEP UP WITH, UM, REGIONAL AVERAGES, UM, AND JUST INCREASE COST OVER THE LAST, UM, SIX TO EIGHT YEARS.
UM, MOST OF THESE ARE 25 TO, UH, $50 INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD LOOKING AT OUR COMPARATOR CITIES.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, AND I HAVE THE AVERAGES AS WELL, THEY WERE ON THE TOP.
UM, SO GOING LEFT, RIGHT, UM, THE AVERAGE FOR OUR COMMERCIAL FIRE PLAN REVIEW AT THE BASE FEE IS ONE 14.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE ON THE HIGHER END.
THE FIRE FLOW TEST, THE AVERAGE FOR THE REGION IS $97 FOR THE SECURITY PERMIT.
UM, FOR THE, UM, SPECIAL EFFECTS INSPECTION, THE AVERAGE IS ONE 50.
AND SO WE'RE RIGHT ON TARGET WITH OUR REGIONAL CITIES.
FOR THE FIRE SPRINKLER, THE AVERAGE IS 1 0 4 FOR THE REGION.
FOR ENERGY SYSTEMS, THE AVERAGE IS $86.
AND THEN FOR THE FOOD TRUCK INSPECTION IS 110.
UM, I WILL NOTE THAT BOTH THE ENERGY SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE FOOD TRUCK INSPECTION ARE NEW FEES.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE, UM, INSPECTIONS AND REVIEWS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.
SO WE'RE JUST NOT COLLECTING ANY SORT OF COST RECOVERY ON THOSE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THOSE SVS AND WHO PERFORMS ALL OF THESE FIRE FEE ADJUST, UH, INSPECTIONS, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE FIRE OR FIRE.
SO ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF, SO THIS IS FROM THE FIRE MARSH.
THIS, THIS IS NOT THE, HOW ABOUT COMING UP CHIEF? I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.
CJ ALEXANDER, YOU'RE FIRE CHIEF.
DO OUR, DO OUR ENGINE COMPANIES DO ANNUAL FIRE INSPECTIONS OF BUSINESSES? NO, THEY DO NOT.
SO THE STATE, THE, WE'RE NOT IN THAT BUSINESS OF, OF SENDING COMPANIES OUT TO DO
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AT THIS TIME.THE TEXAS FIRE CHIEF, UH, TEXAS COMMISSION DOES NOT ALLOW COMPANIES TO DO INSPECTIONS UNLESS THEY HAVE A CERTAIN CERTIFICATION.
NONE OF OUR PERSONNEL, BESIDES THE FEW I USE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IN PLACE A LITTLE WHILE BACK.
SO WE'RE NOT CHARGING FOR A, FOR A FIRE ENGINE TO COME OUT, JUST DO A COURTESY WALKTHROUGH INSPECTION.
WE DID PRE, WE DID PRE-PLANNED INSPECTIONS FOR OUR OWN SAFETY YEAH.
TO KIND OF GET THE LAY THE LAYOUT, THE BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE, WE DO THAT ON OUR OWN FOR OWN MERIT.
AND THE BUILDINGS DO NOT HAVE TO LET US IN IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE REALLY, WE'RE NOT CHARGING FOR THOSE.
UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES THE PROPOSED CHANGES WITH THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK, UM, TO BE SHARED, UH, WE WOULD WELCOME THAT.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, WE WILL BRING BACK FORWARD THE NEXT WAVE, UH, IN A COUPLE MEETINGS.
I'VE GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION ON SLIDE SEVEN.
LESLIE, YOU'VE GOT A LINE ITEM FOR CONTRACTOR VALIDATION.
UH, CAN YOU KIND OF TALK ME THROUGH WHAT, WHAT THAT ENTAILS? IT SAYS CHANGING CONTRACTOR OR TRADE VALIDATION.
YEAH, SO THIS, UM, WE TALKED THIS, WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT IT A LITTLE EARLIER.
THIS IS A, A NEW APPLICATION TYPE.
IT'S A NEW FEE FOR A NEW PROCESS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED ABOUT, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO GOING ON TWO YEARS, UM, TO VALIDATE A SUBCONTRACTOR ON A PERMIT BECAUSE SUBCONTRACTOR, SO, SO THAT ANOTHER WAY TO, SO THAT FOR THE SUB SUBCONTRACTOR CONTRACT? CORRECT.
SO ANOTHER WAY TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING A, LIKE A NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDING, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR APPLY FOR THE PERMIT, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THIS SPIDER WEB, THEY COULD HAVE, I MEAN, A DOZEN SUBCONTRACTORS UNDER THEM.
AND WE AS THE TOWN HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEIR, THEIR, UM, CERTIFICATIONS ARE, UH, OR IF THEY'RE APPROPRIATE TO WORK ON THAT JOB.
AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT WE'RE INSPECTING THEM.
SO THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR MIGHT HAVE A PLUMBER WHO'S DOING THE WORK, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE LICENSED OR IF THEY'RE APPROPRIATE TO DO THE WORK OR WHO THAT CONTACT IS.
SO THROUGH THAT VALIDATION PROCESS, THEY ACTUALLY FILL OUT A FORM.
UM, IT'S, THE FORM IS CALLED THE CONTRACTOR VALIDATION AND ESSENTIALLY APPLYING THEM AND ACCEPTING LIABILITY FOR THAT PERMIT.
AND, AND HELP ME, WHO IS BRINGING THAT FORWARD? IS IT, UH, RESIDENTIAL OR THE, THE, UH, COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER OR IS IT THE G GENERAL CONTRACTOR? OR HOW DO YOU MEAN LIKE WHAT WARRANTED IT? UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THESE, DO THESE SUBCONTRACTORS AUTOMATICALLY KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO COME IN AND, AND FILL OUT THIS DIGITAL FORM? SO WE, SO LIKE I SAID, WE INTEGRATED THIS INTO OUR PROCESS.
ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE RAN INTO SEVERAL, UH, OCCURRENCES WHERE THERE WAS SOME, SOME CONCERNS, UM, WITH IDENTIFYING THAT SUBCONTRACTOR IN THE INSTANCE.
AND SO WE'VE IN IMPLEMENTED THIS, THIS PROCESS.
AND SO IT'S THIS, WE INFORM WHEN WE GO TO ISSUE THE PERMIT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VALID, UM, CONTRACTOR REGISTERED IN ORDER TO HAVE THE PERMIT ISSUED TO YOU UNLESS YOU'RE A HOMEOWNER.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
UM, SO THEY KNOW IT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND SO NOW WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO ADD A FEE TO RECOUP THE, THE SERVICE WE'RE PROVI THE, THE SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING.
SO WE'RE COST RECOVERING IN THAT INSTANCE.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S MORE ON THE COMMERCIAL LEVEL THAN THE RESIDENTIAL LEVEL OR BOTH IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S, SO IT'S, IT'S FOR ALL CONTRACTORS.
UM, BUT WHERE, WHERE IT'S MOST APPLICABLE, I DUNNO IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM TO USE, IS USUALLY COMMERCIAL JOBS, LARGE COMMERCIAL JOBS, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE VERY APPLICABLE TO A NEW RESIDENTIAL AS WELL, ESPECIALLY THE TOWN HOME COMMUNITIES.
ON SLIDE 21, ON THE AFTER HOURS INSPECTION FEE, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH, WITH THAT CHANGE ON, ON DOLLAR AMOUNT? SORRY, THERE WE GO.
UM, SO IS WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK OUR PERSONNEL COST AND THEN, UM, AND LIKE OF WHO WOULD BE HYPOTHETICALLY DOING THOSE INSPECTIONS IF THEY WERE TO CALL, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE AVERAGE COST FROM THE TOWN IS AS FAR AS THEIR SALARY BENEFITS, AND THEN APPLIED THAT.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WITHOUT, UM, WE'RE SIMPLIFYING IT, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST TO THE TOWN TO DO THAT.
THAT'S HOW WE CREATE GENERATED THAT.
'CAUSE ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO, HOW MANY OF THESE DO WE HAVE? THAT'S HARD TO PUT A NUMBER ON 'CAUSE WE DON'T, UM, SO TYPICALLY WHEN WE DID AN AFTER HOUR INSPECTION, IT'S, IT'S NOT A SEPARATE PERMIT TYPE, SO IT'S HARD.
IT'S, IT'S A, A FEE APPLIED TO
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AN EXISTING PERMIT.SO IT'S HARD TO RUN THE DATA ON HOW MANY TIMES A SPECIFIC FEE WAS CHARGED.
SO I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER.
I WOULD NOT, I WOULD SAY A HANDFUL A MONTH.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MULTIPLE A WEEK, SO 40, 50 A YEAR OR SO, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY IN LINE WITH CONTRACT.
I'M REALLY LOOKING AT A FARMER'S BRANCH AT FOUR HUNDREDS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT AND PLANO AND 400, WELL, THAT, I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE OUT THE OUTLIERS WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE SEEMS TO BE KIND OF IN THAT IT'S AFTER HOURS WORK IS, IS EXPENSIVE FOR EVERYBODY, UH, UH, ON THEIR, THEIR WORK QUALITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING THAT IT IS, IT IS AN EXTRA, UH, DRAG ON, ON OUR PEOPLE MORE SO THAN JUST THE DIRECT DOLLAR COST.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT AND I I SEE THAT THAT'S, SO THAT'S A $75 TWO HOUR MINIMUM MAKING ONE 50 TOTAL.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT MUCH OF AN INCREASE.
I, UM, I'LL TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT ON THAT.
IT SEEMS LOW TO ME, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GO WITH WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS.
CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF A TYPE OF A CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD REQUEST, AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACTOR'S REQUEST, NOT THE CITY JUST SAYING, HEY, WE CAN'T GET TO IT TILL AFTER HOURS.
SO YEAH, I HAVE A GREAT EXAMPLE.
UM, SO RECENTLY, IT'S JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, UM, FLIGHT CLUB THAT'S GOING IN AT VOP, THEY HAD TO DO SOME ELECTRICAL WORK THAT REQUIRED THEM TO SHUT DOWN ELECTRICAL FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING, WHICH THEY'RE, THEY HAVE MANY RESTAURANTS AND ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN THAT KIND OF LOCALIZED BUILDING WITHIN VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
UM, AND THERE WAS, WHICH THERE WAS ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT STARTED PREP, PREP WORK AT 5:00 AM AND SO THEY, THEY REQUESTED, THEY SAID, CAN YOU COME IN AT FOUR? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA TURN OFF POWER AND NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANOTHER BUSINESS BECAUSE, SO IT IS, IT IS A TIME SENSITIVE INSPECTION YES.
RATHER THAN JUST, HEY, WE'RE DONE.
WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE AFTER HOURS.
IT, IT'S SOMETHING OH, 100 SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES TIME SENSITIVITY.
I, I CAN EVEN SEE WHERE A, A CONTRACTOR, A, A, A CEMENT CONTRACTOR HAS POURED CORRECT.
AND HE NEEDS TO HAVE US OUT THERE.
THAT WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS DURING THE HEAT, TYPICALLY.
SO IT'S A TIME SENSITIVE ISSUE, NOT JUST A CONVENIENCE ISSUE.
IT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A NECESSITY AND THEY'RE HAPPY TO PAY 150 BUCKS TO GET US OUT TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, LIKE, AND I MENTIONED THIS EARLY ON, WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT THESE NOT, NOT TO, YOU KNOW, BE A DETERRENT, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE, IF, IF WE'RE PROVIDING A, UM, SERVICE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RECOVERING THAT SERVICE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE.
AND I'M ASSUMING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RECOVERING THE SERVICE, THERE IS A COST TO US TO SEND THAT EMPLOYEE AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING OR AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT MM-HMM
RATHER THAN JUST SAY, IF YOU'LL COME IN AT FOUR, WE'LL LET YOU OFF AT ONE.
THERE IS A COST TO THAT, TO THE CITY.
SO I'M, I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
SO THAT COST IS THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ON A SUNDAY MORNING OR AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
AND DOES THE EMPLOYEE GET ANY OF THAT, OR IS THAT SIMPLY FOR THE CITY THAT GOES BACK TO THE TOWN? I'M, I'M ASSUMING WE LET THAT EMPLOYEE GO HOME EARLY THAT DAY.
IF HE HAS TO COME IN AT FOUR IN THE MORNING, TYPICALLY WE WORK WITH THAT EMPLOYEE.
WE HAVE DO YOU GET COMP TIME OR WE HAVE, UH, SOME EMPLOYEES WHO, UM, THEY HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITY.
THEY HAVE OTHER INSPECTIONS DURING THEIR ROUTINE INSPECTIONS DURING THE DAY.
SO SOMETIMES WE, WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT.
BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE TRY TO MAKE SURE OUR EMPLOYEES FEEL VALUED AND I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE EMPLOYEE THAT COMES IN AT FOUR IN THE MORNING, DO AN INSPECTION.
I EXPECT THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF, UH, MANAGING YOUR, YOUR CREW AND TAKING GOOD CARE OF THEM.
SO ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? I'M GOOD.
UM, SO THIS IS, YOU SAID THE FIRST ROUND OF THESE MM-HMM
I THINK WE MIGHT END UP HAVING TWO OR THREE.
AND THEN WE'RE COMING BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH AIRPORT FEES AND THEATER FEES.
SO DAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF FEES IN THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS THAT DAN, THAT'LL BE HAPPY, BUT THAT PERFECT.
YEAH, JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING THE 1.7 THAT'S WITH THE ASTERISK YOU'RE SAYING IS JUST A, A PORTION OF THE 3.166 OPERATING BUDGET.
SO WE, LIKE I, THIS ISN'T PERFECT MATH, BUT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS ALL OF OUR FEES THAT WE GENERATE, UM, ARE, WE RECOVER ABOUT 50% OF OUR ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS DUE TO THE REVENUE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, UM, PRODUCE BY THE WORK WE WE CONDUCT.
AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR.
AND SO ONCE WE GO THROUGH THESE ADDITIONAL ROUNDS, AND THEN WILL
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EVERYTHING COME BACK TO ALL US? IT IS ALL AT ONE TIME FOR ACTION.UH, THIS IS THE LAST OF OUR WORK SESSION REPORTS.
UH, SO WE'LL, UH, TAKE A BREAK AND RECONVENE IN, UM, FIVE MINUTES.
SINCE WE JUST HAD, UH, BREAK A FEW MINUTES AGO.
WE'LL RECONVENE AT 7 29 NOW HAS A STRONG
[Proclamations / Presentations]
DEDICATION OF TO SERVICE AND LOVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.AND HER UPBEAT SPIRIT MAKES HER A VALUABLE MEMBER OF OUR TEAM.
UM, AND A GREAT ADDITION TO THE SERVICE CENTER.
YOU SEE HER LOVELY FACE WHEN YOU COME INTO THE BUILDING.
UM, KATHLEEN GREW UP IN DALLAS, TEXAS AND GRADUATED FROM NEWMAN SMITH HIGH SCHOOL.
BEFORE ATTENDING THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT ARLINGTON, WHERE SHE MAJORED IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, SHE WAS DRAWN TO ADDISON FOR THE FUN AND WELCOMING ATMOSPHERE, INCLUDING ITS VIBRANT EVENTS, GREAT RESTAURANTS, AND STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
KATHLEEN KNEW SHE WANTED TO, UH, CONTRIBUTE HER SKILLS TO A PLACE THAT SHE GENUINELY ENJOYS.
KATHLEEN IS ALSO A LOYAL FAN OF THE COLUMBIAN NATIONAL SOCCER TEAM, A PASSION THAT KEEPS HER CHEERING ENTHUSIASTICALLY DURING INTERNATIONAL MATCHES.
UM, PROFESSIONALLY, KATHLEEN IS PROUD TO HAVE EARNED THE SERVICE AWARD, UM, DURING OUR ANNUAL SERVICE AWARD, UM, IN FEBRUARY, UH, FOR THE TOWN IN HER VERY FIRST YEAR, A RECOGNITION THAT, UM, REFLECTS ON HER COMMITMENT TO SUPPORTING BOTH RESIDENTS AND STAFF PERSONALLY.
SHE HAS BEEN SHARPENING HER PICKLEBALL SKILLS AND SEEING A, AND CELEBRATING A NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT OVER THE LAST YEAR OUTSIDE OF WORK.
KATHLEEN IS PROUD CAT MOM TO HER FIVE-YEAR-OLD TABBY WHO KEEPS LIFE INTERESTING, AND SHE ALSO HAS A COMPETITIVE SIDE.
SHE DID, UM, ENTER OUR DEPARTMENT CHILI COOKOFF, AND WON.
UM, WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE ADDISON WAY, WHAT THE ADDISON WAY MEANS TO HER, KATHLEEN SHARED IT'S ABOUT DOING EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO SATISFY OUR RESIDENTS AND STAFF, INCLUDING PROVIDING EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE AND CREATING A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE.
PLEASE, UH, JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING KATHLEEN.
SPEAKING OF THE 2026 NATIONAL NIGHT OUT PROCLAMATION, I DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO PRESENT THIS EVENING, AND, UH, AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FORWARD, UH, UH, ADDISON FIRE CHIEF CJ ALEXANDER, POLICE CHIEF CHRIS FREEZE RECREATION SUPERINTENDENT BRIAN CHAPMAN, AND RECREATION SUPERVISOR ANNA, WE, IF YOU'D COME FORWARD AND MEET ME AT THE LECTER.
WE DO HAVE THIS PROCLAMATION, AND I'LL READ THAT TO YOU.
WE, EVEN WITH THE WHEREAS IS, UH, WHEREAS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TOWN WATCH SPONSORS A NATIONAL COMMUNITY BUILDING CAMPAIGN THAT PROMOTES COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CAMARADERIE WITH THE GOAL OF MAKING NEIGHBORHOODS SAFER AND MORE CARING PLACES TO LIVE.
AND WHEREAS NA, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WAS INTRODUCED IN AUGUST, 1984 BY THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TOWN WATCH, AND ITS FIRST YEAR BROUGHT TOGETHER TWO AND A HALF MILLION NEIGHBORS IN 400 COMMUNITIES ACROSS 23 STATES.
AND WHEREAS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT HAS GROWN TO INCLUDE MILLIONS OF NEIGHBORS IN THOUSANDS OF COMMUNITIES IN ALL 50 STATES, US TERRITORIES AND MILITARY BASES AROUND THE WORLD WITH TEXAS COMMUNITIES CELEBRATING ON THE FIRST TUESDAY IN OCTOBER.
AND WHEREAS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT STRENGTHENS RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER UNDER POSITIVE CIRCUMSTANCES AND HELPS RESTORE A TRUE SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
AND WHEREAS NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE NATION, MARK THE OCCASION WITH BLOCK PARTIES, COOKOUTS FESTIVALS, PARADES, SAFETY DEMONSTRATIONS, YOUTH ACTIVITIES, AND VISITS FROM POLICE, FIRE, AND EMERGENCY PERSONNEL.
AND WHEREAS THE BEST WAY TO BUILD A SAFER COMMUNITY IS FOR RESIDENTS TO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR SURROUNDINGS.
AND NATIONAL NIGHT OUT OFFERS EVERY RESIDENT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO JUST THAT.
AND WHEREAS THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL AND TOWN STAFF TOGETHER WITH OUR RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORHOODS, BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS ARE PROUD TO JOIN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN CELEBRATING NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
NOW, THEREFORE, I BRUCE ARFON, MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF ADDISON, TEXAS DO HEREBY PROCLAIM TUESDAY, OCTOBER 6TH, 2020 SIXTH AS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IN ADDISON.
AND I ENCOURAGE ALL THE RESIDENTS TO JOIN US AT LAY LOCK PARK ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 6TH AT 5:30 PM TO MEET NEIGHBORS AND TOWN STAFF AND TO CELEBRATE THE COMMUNITY.
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SHOULD WE DO A PHOTO? OKAY.[Public Comment]
TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT.THE CITY COUNCIL INVITE CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THE SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW.
THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSS ANY ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENT, UH, PUBLIC APPEARANCE CARDS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE DID RECEIVE TWO PUBLIC WRITTEN COMMENT CARDS, UH, VIA EMAIL OR THE WEBSITE, AND THOSE WILL BE, UH, MADE PART OF THE RECORD.
THE NOTES CAME FROM LOU AND JOB AND TRICIA STEWART.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT AND
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MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, THE CONSENT AGENDA.CONSENT TONIGHT INCLUDES ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR OH.
IS THERE A MOTION MAYOR? MOTION TO APPROVE I'D TO PULL SOME OF THESE AGENDAS.
RANDY, YOU SAID YOU'D LIKE TO PULL? YES.
WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT ITEM WOULD YOU LIKE TO I'D LIKE FOUR.
E, FG, HIJ AND O PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
I WOULD TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH D, K THROUGH N.
IS THERE A MOTION? YEAH, I JUST, I WANNA GET A CLARIFICATION WHAT DAN WAS, UH, SAYING.
HE WAS MAKING A MOTION, I BELIEVE, TO APPROVE YOU.
YOU WERE MAKING A MOTION CORRECT, DAN? I WAS, BUT I'LL, I'LL TABLE THAT IN MOTION.
FOUR, FOUR, K AND N THROUGH N YOU SAID L THROUGH NI BELIEVE A, A THROUGH D AND THEN K THROUGH NI WILL MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.
THANK YOU, CHRIS, FOR THE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UM, I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE THAT, UM, WENT THROUGH ALL OF THESE PROPOSALS AND, UH, THESE FUNDING ISSUES.
AND, UH, IMAGINE MY SURPRISE WHEN I OPENED THE AGENDA UP.
AND NONE OF THESE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAD HAD AGREED ON.
UM, MANY OF THEM HAVE EITHER BEEN INCREASED OR DECREASED.
UM, AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION ON THESE PARTICULARLY.
YOU WANNA START AT THE TOP? YOU WANT, YOU WANNA GO? WE, RANDY, THESE WERE ALL APPROVED AS PART OF THE BUDGET.
UM, NO, THEY WERE, NO, UH, THESE WERE CHANGED AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.
SO WHEN MY WIFE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL POSSIBLY DYING, Y'ALL, Y'ALL CHANGED THESE WHEN I WASN'T.
UH, AND, AND NO ONE BOTHERED TO TELL ME UNTIL THIS CAME OUT FOR ME TO SEE.
WE DID HIGHLIGHT THESE IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION AND THAT, AND THAT RECORDING WAS AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO WATCH.
WELL, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THESE.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, AN ORGANIZATION IN THAT HAS MOVED INTO ADDISON SUPPLYING THE JFS SERVICES.
THIS IS A THIRD OF WHAT WE HAD AGREED ON FOR THEM.
UM, NUMBER ONE WITH METRO CREST SERVICES AND EVEN JFS, WE PAY FEDERAL AND COUNTY TAXES THAT ARE, WE ARE WELL OVERTAXED ON THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE SERVICES THAT THESE PEOPLE PROVIDE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WE ARE A TOWN OF 17,000.
WHERE ARE ALL OF THE PEOPLE? WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING SERVICED BY THESE ORGANIZATIONS LIVING? I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THIS TOWN.
I DON'T SEE INDIGENT PEOPLE IN ADDISON, BUT LET'S GO TO, UH,
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LET'S GO TO WATER TOWER THEATER.HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN FUNDING WATER TOWER THEATER? RANDY, THIS IS ALL PART OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND, AND SO WE'RE NOT AT THAT PLACE TO DISCUSS, WE'RE DISCUSSING THESE INDIVIDUALLY, MAYOR, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE.
WE READ THAT DURING THE BUDGET.
Y'ALL MUST HAVE DONE IT WHEN I WASN'T THERE.
AND, AND THOSE CHANGES WERE HIGH LEVEL.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN SUPPORT IN SUPPORTING WATER TOWER THEATER AND COMPLETELY FUNDING $358,000.
IT'S TIME THAT WE START LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS AND REALIZING THAT WE HAVE MUCH BETTER OPTIONS, THAT WE ARE FUNDING UP HERE, AND WE GET NOTHING FROM WATER TOWER.
THE REST OF THESE ACTUALLY PAY RENT WHEN THEY'RE IN, WHEN THEY'RE PUTTING ON THINGS IN THE, IN THE PERFORMING ART CENTER.
WE GET ALL KINDS OF BENEFITS BACK FROM OUR MONEY.
YOU CANNOT SHOW ME ANOTHER THEATER ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA OF OUR SIZE THAT FUNDS THAT.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT 'EM ANYMORE, WE WON'T.
BUT I WILL NOT CEASE TO POINT OUT THE TAXPAYER, THE TAXES THAT ARE WASTED ON SUCH ISSUES AS THAT.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE ROBUST AND IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION WE HAD ON THIS BUDGET.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION ON THOSE, UH, REMAINING ITEMS. THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THANK YOU CHANEL FOR THE SECOND CHRIS FOR THE MOTION.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving an agreement with Premier Christmas for turnkey holiday lighting services for Addison Circle Park in an amount not to exceed $225,000]
TO ITEM FIVE, FIVE A PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AGREEMENT WITH PREMIER CHRISTMAS FOR TURNKEY HOLIDAY LIGHTING SERVICES FOR ADDISON CIRCLE PARK IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $225,000.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
ABBY MORALES, DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL EVENTS AND THEATER.
UH, JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, AT THE AUGUST 8TH BUDGET WORKSHOP, WE DID PRESENT, UM, A PRESENTATION TO, UM, DRIVE ADDISON CIRCLE PARK AS AN ADDITIONAL DESTINATION FOR THE HOLIDAYS, REALLY COMPLIMENTING WHAT VITRUVIAN LIGHTS DOES.
UM, WHAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT IS PHASE ONE OF A MULTI-PHASE, UM, PROJECT TO TRANSFORM OUR PARK OR OUR TREE LIGHTING INTO A PARK.
LIGHTING STAFF IS SEEKING COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR AN AGREEMENT, AN AGREEMENT WITH PREMIER CHRISTMAS TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES FOR ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.
YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THE CONCEPT OF PHASE ONE WOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING THINGS WE WOULD COMPLIMENT THE LIGHTS THAT MAA CURRENTLY DOES ON BOTH QUORUM AS WELL AS ADDISON CIRCLE.
WE ALSO WILL LOOK AT, UM, CREATING A FOUNDATION OF THE PARK BY USING A LIGHT CURTAIN ON THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE THAT SITS ON ADDISON ROAD AND THEN INTERIOR TO THE PARK.
WE WOULD LIGHT UP, UM, WITH A MIX OF LIGHTING AND DECOR BASED ON THAT PLAN.
WE WOULD THEN ENHANCE WITH ACTIVATIONS FOR THE, UM, EVENT ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 5TH TO GIVE YOU SOME VISUALS.
THESE ARE THE TREES THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT WHAT MAA IS CURRENTLY DOING.
WE, AGAIN, WE WOULD DO THIS ON ADDISON CIRCLE AS WELL AS QUORUM.
THIS IS A VISUAL OF THE LIGHT CURTAIN THAT WOULD BE ON THE WR IRON FENCE THAT SITS ON ADDISON ROAD, THE TO CORE IN THE PARK BEING THIS LATE.
WE ARE SUBJECT TO INVENTORY, UM, THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US, BUT YOU GET AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT WE COULD USE INTERIOR TO THE PARK.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WRAPPING THE LIGHT POLE SO THAT THE ENTIRE PARK HAS SOME, UM, HOLIDAY SPIRIT IN IT.
AND THEN AS MENTIONED AT THE WORKSHOP, WE WILL UTILIZE THE TREE THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS TO FILL OUT THE THIRD YEAR AGREEMENT THAT'S IN PLACE FOR THE TREE, AND IT WOULD SIT ON THE PLAZA.
THE VENDOR THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PREMIER CHRISTMAS.
THEY ARE A FULL SERVICE COMPANY, UM, THAT OFFERS NOT JUST THE PRODUCT, BUT THEY ALSO WOULD MANAGE THE TRANSPORTATION, THE INSTALL TAKE DOWN, AS WELL AS STORAGE FOR ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS PROVIDED.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE A VERY DIVERSE PORTFOLIO OF THOSE THAT THEY SERVE.
UM, AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO A TIPS FENDER, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH A FORMAL COMPETITIVE PUBLIC BIDDING, UM, AND SOLICITATION PROCESS.
THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT NOT TO EXCEED $225,000.
AND IT WOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, THE LIT TREES ON QUORUM, QUORUM AND ADDISON.
CIRCLE THE LIGHT CURTAIN ON THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE ON ADDISON ROAD.
AND THEN VARIOUS DECOR AND LIGHTING BASED ON INVENTORY AND PRICING.
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TRANSPORTATION, INSTALLATION TAKE DOWN AS WELL AS STORAGE.NEXT STEPS IF APPROVED, THE ANTICIPATED START DATE WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE SIGNED AGREEMENT SO THAT WE COULD BE READY FOR DECEMBER 5TH CLOSER TO, TO THE EVENT.
WE WOULD ACTUALLY COME BACK AND SHARE A PRESENTATION WITH MORE DEFINITIVE PLANS FOR THE SITE LAYOUT AND ACTIVATIONS TO BE INCLUDED.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ABBY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ABBY? RANDY, WHERE'S THIS MONEY COMING FROM? WHERE'S THIS BUDGETED FROM? THIS WAS APPROVED IN THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET OUT OF THE HOTEL FUND.
THIS WAS APPROVED IN THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET WORKSHOP, UM, AS PART OF THE HOTEL FUND.
PART OF THE HOTEL FUND? YES, SIR.
IS WE GOT RID OF TASTE ADDISON FOR OBVIOUS REASONS OF, OF LOSING MONEY AND, AND NOT BEING A GOOD SPEND OF MONEY.
I'M SURE THIS IS GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL, BUT IS THIS PART OF THAT MONEY THAT, THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SAVE FROM TASTE ADDISON GOING INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I, I MEAN, IT'S ALL PART OF THE HOTEL FUND, JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
THERE ON SLIDE SIX, WELL, THE SLIDE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER, ASSUMING SLIDE SIX, UH, HOW MANY PIECES DO WE GET FOR BULLET NUMBER THREE? VARIOUS? UM, THAT, THAT WILL DEPEND ON INVENTORY AND PRICING OF THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES.
LIKE FOUR OR IS IT LIKE 14? NO, SIR, IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE MORE THAN FOUR.
I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER COMING RIGHT OFF OF OCTOBER FEST.
BUT WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND STAY WITH INVENTORY.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IS IT GONNA BE LIKE CLOSER TO 10? I MEAN, IS IT GONNA BE ENOUGH TO, TO BE IMPACTFUL? UM, YES SIR.
WE WOULD WORK WITH A VENDOR TO LAY THAT OUT.
I THINK I TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY IN THE WORKSHOP.
IS WE WOULD LOOK AT FOOT TRAFFIC, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE PLACEMENT OF THE TREE MM-HMM
AND WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY LOOK TO MAKE THE PARK LOOK FULL.
$225,000 IS, IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER PIECES INVOLVED.
I MEAN, THE STORAGE AND TRANSPORTATION OF ALL OF THIS DOES ADD UP AS WELL.
UM, TO ME THIS IS, UH, KIND OF LIKE A TRIAL TO SEE HOW IT GOES AND, AND WHETHER WE WANT TO EXPAND, CONTINUE, OR, OR, UH, CHANGE IT, UH, NEXT YEAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE IMPRESSION, RIGHT.
THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS ALSO TRYING TO SEE WHAT, WHAT WE LIKE AND WHAT WE WANNA GROW OR YES.
SO FROM OUR DISCUSSION DURING THE BUDGET, THIS IS A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT NOT TO EXCEED 225,000.
DOES THE, IN THAT 225,000, ARE ANY OF THE DECORATIONS, THE LIGHTING, IS IT INCLUDED IN THAT 225,000? MEANING IF WE DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR, IS IT, ARE WE PURCHASING ANY OF THAT THIS YEAR, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT? SOME OF IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH PURCHASE AND LEASE, DEPENDING ON INVENTORY.
SO NEXT YEAR THAT PRICE WILL BE LESS IF WE'RE BUYING SOME OF THE PIECES FOR THE SAME AMOUNT, I THINK IF WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION IF WE WANNA EXPAND OR NOT, BUT YES.
WHERE IT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
I THINK THIS IS JUST ANOTHER IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ACTIVATE THE PARK AND GET FOLKS INTO THE PARK AND USE THOSE RESTAURANTS AND OVER TO THE CIRCLE.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
ABBY, ON THIS, UH, EDISON CIRCLE LIGHT, UH, CIRCLE PARK, HOLIDAY LIGHTING SURFACE, ACTUALLY JUST THE HOLIDAY LIGHTING PROGRAM.
DO DO, DO WE HAVE OTHER EXPENSES THAT WE'RE GONNA INCUR RELATED AROUND THIS, WOULD YOU SAY A MONTH LONG, UM, HOLIDAY LIGHTING UP THE PARK? ACTIVATING THE PARK? YES, SIR.
THERE WOULD BE, UM, THE COST FOR ENTERTAINMENT OR ANY ANCILLARY ACTIVATIONS THAT WE HAD.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DECIDED TO HAVE FACE PAINTERS OUT THERE, THERE WOULD BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH FACE PAINTERS.
IF WE DECIDED TO HAVE A HOT COCOA BAR, THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD INVOLVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GENERATE REVENUE.
AND, AND CAN YOU REMIND ME, DO YOU, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT BUDGET IS LIKE, THE TOTAL, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR, UM, FOR WHAT OR WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS 250.
SO I THINK ONE OF THESE, UH, GENTLEMEN WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARK LOOKED FULL.
SO ON YOUR DIAGRAM ON, UH, SLIDE THREE, HOW, CAN YOU KIND OF TELL ME HOW BIG THOSE ARE? I MEAN, ARE THEY FIVE FEET TALL? 10 FEET TALL? I ACTUALLY HAVE PREMIER AT CHRISTMAS HERE WHO CAN PROBABLY BETTER SPEAK TO THE ACTUAL INVENTORY IF IT'S OKAY
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FOR HIM TO COME UP.AS FAR AS DIMENSIONS AND SPECS ON THE INVENTORY THAT HE HAS IN POSSESSION, WOULD THAT BE OKAY? YEAH, SURE.
AND IF YOU WOULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
JUSTIN LUBERS, 1 5 2 9 SHIELD ROAD.
UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S SHOWN HERE IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE.
WE ACTUALLY ARE HOLDING THIS FOR YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW, AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GRAB IT AND WE'RE NOT LETTING THEM.
SO WE'RE GONNA HOLD THAT UNTIL AFTER THIS MEETING AT LEAST.
UM, THE SNOWMAN ON THAT IS 20 FEET TALL, SO PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.
UM, THE GINGERBREAD HOUSE, I WANT TO SAY IS, UH, 12 BY 12 AND 10 OR 11 FEET TALL.
UM, THE GIFT BOX ALSO 11 OR 12 FEET TALL.
THE SLEIGH IS FULL SIZE LIKE YOU PEOPLE WERE MEANT TO GET IN IT.
PHOTO OP, UM, THE LANTERN, I WANNA SAY IS NINE, NINE FEET TALL.
UM, SOME OF YOU'RE ASKING IS, IS THIS ENOUGH TO FILL THE PARK? YOU CERTAINLY COULD PUT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL PLACE IT, UH, ACCORDING TO EVERYONE'S OPINION.
BUT YOU, YOU CERTAINLY COULD PUT MORE IF YOU WANTED TO PUT MORE, UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME, SOME ITEMS AT ANOTHER CONTRACT, THE CHRISTMAS TREE AND A COUPLE OTHER PIECES.
UH, BUT WE REALLY WANNA JUST START WITH THE PERIMETER ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PARK AND JUST LET PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSING BY KNOW SOMETHING'S GOING ON.
UM, WHAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS MAP.
ALL THE LIGHT POLES, YOU'VE GOT LIKE 45 LIGHT POLES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO JUST TO GET SOME COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PARK.
UM, IN THE ABSENCE OF ALL, EVERY SPOT BEING FILLED WITH LARGE DECOR, WHICH WOULD RUN THE NUMBER UP, UH, THOSE LIGHT POLES WOULD KIND OF CARRY THE FILL THROUGHOUT.
AND YOUR CENTER WALKWAY, UM, WOULD BE FULL.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE SLIDE, BUT WE ALSO HAD LIKE SEVERAL HUNDRED STARS HANGING FROM THE WALKWAY FROM THE CANOPY STRUCTURES.
THANKS FOR THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? DARREN? DAN HAND? OH, DAN, YES SIR.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM ON THREE AND IT SHOWS A CLUSTER OF THOSE, UM, ICONIC THINGS LIKE THE SNOWMAN.
IS THERE A WAY OF DRIVING SOME OF THAT? MEANING DISPERSING IT CLOSER TOWARDS QUORUM SO WE CAN MAYBE DRIVE SOME MORE TRAFFIC TO, UM, OUR NEW FOUNTAINS THAT ARE NOW WORKING OPERATIONALLY AND DRIVE THEM CLOSER TO THE RESTAURATEURS OF THE CIRCLE ITSELF? ARE WE GONNA CLUSTER THEM RIGHT THERE AS I SEE ON THAT DIAGRAM? NO, SIR.
WE'RE NOT CLUSTERING THEM RIGHT THERE.
THEY WERE JUST DROPPED IN TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ALL OF THESE WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE INTERIOR OF THE PARK.
FINAL LAYOUT AND FINAL ACTIVATIONS HAVE NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED.
TO RANDY'S POINT, THIS WAS SORT OF THIS, THE, THE HOT TAX FUNDS FROM TASTE.
UM, I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT MAYBE FOOD TRUCKS OR THE RE THE RESTAURATEURS IN THE CIRCLE BRINGING THE RESTING TO THE CIRCLE PARK ITSELF.
IF WE'RE GONNA ACTIVATE FOR 225,000, WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA DRIVE THE TASTE PORTION OF THAT MONTH LONG PROCESS.
YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOT COCOA.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S APPETIZERS, HANDHELDS.
HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO RESTAURANTS LOCALLY AS WELL AS IN THE ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIFICALLY TO SEE IF THEY WERE INTERESTED TO PARTICIPATE? WE HAVE, WE HAVE, I'VE STARTED THE CONVERSATIONS WITH MAA AND I HAVE SIX RESTAURANTS THAT ARE ON THE DOCKET RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE RESPONDED WITH, UM, UH, ENTRY LEVEL INTEREST.
AND THEN I THINK WE HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POTENTIAL SPONSORSHIP FOR SOME OF THESE ITEMS. LIKE MAYBE IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, SMALL SIGNAGE UNDERNEATH THE CARRIAGE WHEN YOU'RE TAKING YOUR SELFIES.
OTHER THAN IT SAYING TOWN OF ADDISON, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY CONVERSATIONS ONGOING WITH POTENTIAL SPONSORSHIPS FROM ENCORE OR THE LIKES OF ENCORE? YES, SIR.
SO THE POTENTIALLY THE, THE, THERE COULD BE A REVENUE COMPONENT TO EAT INTO SOME OF THAT 225,000? YES, SIR.
SO THE, THE LIGHT POLES, UH, ARE THEY LIT OR ARE THEY JUST THE, THE GARLAND STUFF, THE BREEZE? THAT WOULD DEPEND ON THE ELECTRIC THAT WE HAVE OUT IN THE PARK.
I THINK CURRENTLY THEY'RE NOT OUTLETS ON EVERY ONE OF THE LIGHT BULBS, AND SO WE WOULD DEPEND ON THE LIGHT STRUCTURE ITSELF AND THE LIFE THAT EMANATES FROM THAT.
LIKE TO SEE 'EM LIT, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
SO BACK TO YOUR THIS, UM, I'D MENTIONED, I WAS JUST CURIOUS OF THE NUMBER OF, OF THE, THE THINGS OUT THERE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT WHAT SEVEN OR SO IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, AND, AND THEY'RE NOT CLUSTER DUTY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
UM, AND I'M NOT, I AM NOT A SURE.
SO, UH, CHRIS, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WANT TO PURCHASE THINGS, SO, AND, AND STORE
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'EM AND TAKE CARE OF 'EM AND BREAK 'EM DOWN AND SET 'EM UP AND LIABILITY.I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, I COULDN'T REMEMBER.
DID WE, DID WE END UP PURCHASING ANY, ANY PART OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE OVER THE YEARS? THE CHRISTMAS TREE THAT'S ON THE PLAZA, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I DON'T LIKE TO THROW AWAY MONEY ON RENT, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS INVOLVED.
SO I'M KIND OF A MORE OF A FAN OF SOME OF THE LEASING OF SOME OF THESE THINGS.
ABBY, UM, ON THIS SLIDE, THE, THE, THE LINES, THE PURPLE AND THE, AND THE TURQUOISE LINES, WHAT DO THOSE REPRESENT? SO THE PURPLE LINE IS THE PERGOLA.
SO WE WILL HAVE SOME LIGHTING STRUCTURE OF SOME SORT ON THE PERGOLA.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT CREATING FAKE SNOW SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HIT A BUTTON AND MAKE IT SNOW UNDERNEATH THE PERGOLA.
AND THEN THE, THE BLUE, UH, BAR, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE WATER FEATURE IS, UH, BELOW THE WATER GARDENS.
AND SO WE'VE LOOKED AT ACTIVATING IN THAT SPACE WITH SOME LIGHTING FIXTURES OF SOME SORT.
I THINK THE, THE INITIAL RENDERINGS THAT I SAW MAYBE HAD SNOWFLAKES AND SO SOME SORT OF FEATURE OKAY.
UM, TO KIND OF ESTABLISH THE DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE PARK.
AND BUT ON THE, UH, GETTING BACK TO DARREN'S QUESTION ON THE TREE, ARE WE NOT, WE NOT PAYING SOME TYPE OF A RENTAL FEE OR SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR THE TREE? YES, SIR.
WE'RE IN THE THIRD YEAR OF THAT RENTAL LEASE CONTRACT.
SO WE DON'T OWN THE TREE, BUT, BUT THAT'S CORRECT.
WE DO PAY TO RENT IT, STORAGE AND SO FORTH.
I THINK WHATEVER, GO AHEAD UP ON YOU.
I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT STUFF GOING ON THERE AND I, I DO THINK YOU'D FIND SOME, SOME FOLKS THAT ARE WILLING TO SPONSOR THAT.
SO I KNOW IT'S LATE IN THE YEAR BEFORE, WE KNOW WHAT DECEMBER'S GONNA BE HERE, BUT I REALLY DO HOPE WE FIND SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPONSORSHIP TO UNDERWRITE A PORTION OF THIS.
UM, TO CHRIS'S POINT ABOUT PURCHASING OR RENTING AND STORAGE, IF WE BUY SOMETHING, I UNDERSTAND STORING IT, BUT I DON'T WANNA PAY STORAGE FOR SOMEONE THAT WE'RE LEASING IT FROM.
THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT YOU LEASE SOMETHING IS THEY HAVE TO STORE IT.
THAT LIST WAS JUST A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.
I'M SORRY, YOUR VOICE IS I KNOW, I'M SORRY.
I, I WORKED ALL WEEKEND AND A LITTLE WORDS.
UM, IT'S, UH, THAT'S JUST PART THAT WAS JUST A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF, OF ALL THE THINGS THAT THE ORGANIZATION IS ABLE TO PROVIDE TO US.
NOT THAT WE WOULD STORE ANYTHING, ALTHOUGH IT, WE, THE STORAGE IS, UH, FOR LEASING ANYTHING THAT, THAT WE LEASED, WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR STORAGE FOR, WE'RE PAYING FOR THE LEASING OF IT.
UM, ANYTHING THAT WE OWN, THERE WOULD BE STORAGE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
I KEEP HEARING THAT WE'RE GONNA LEASE THIS AND I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR STORAGE ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LEASING.
TO BE CLEAR, THAT ANNUAL STORAGE IS THEM STORING IT FOR US.
BUT THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S STILL THEIR PRODUCT.
THEY SHOULD BE STORING IT, NOT US.
SO I, I'M, I I'M NOT TRACKING WHY WE WOULD WANNA STORE SOMEONE ELSE'S PRODUCT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE PAYING THAT.
WE'RE PAYING FOR THEM TO STORE IT.
NO, IT'S IN THE LIST THAT SHE GAVE THAT PAYING FOR STORAGE.
UM, COST SOMEONE ELSE, DARREN, POSSIBLE REVENUE SOURCES, UH, HIGHLY INTERESTED IN, IN TRYING TO DRIVE THAT.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER BRIEFING ON THAT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE TO SEE WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE COMING IN ON THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DAN'S IDEA OF FOOD TRUCKS.
I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, PULL AWAY FROM OUR OWN RESTAURANTS, BUT IF THEY COME IN AND WE, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REVENUE, THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY TO BE PUTTING OUT, NOT TO HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR REVENUE COMING BACK IN.
AND I, AND I'M ASSUMING THERE WON'T BE ANY ADMISSION TO THE PARK.
THIS IS ALL A FREE THING COMING INTO THE PARK.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO, UH, GENERATE SOME REVENUE ON THIS WOULD BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED.
I WOULD JUST, IN THE BUDGET, WE ACTUALLY, WE DID A HIGHLIGHT 50,000 OF REVENUE THAT WE ANTICIPATE AT LEAST THE FIRST YEAR.
NOW AS WE EXPANDED TO GET TO THOSE BIG IDEAS OF WHERE WE WANT TO GO, WE WOULD WANT SIGNIFICANT SPONSORSHIPS AS WE GO FORWARD.
BUT WE DO, UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING REVENUE FROM SPONSORSHIPS AND CARRIAGE RIDES AND FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IS IS THERE A MOTION? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
YOU SAID CARRIAGE RIDES? DID YOU SAY CARRIAGE RIDES? I DID.
JUST 'CAUSE I WAS READING THE LIST.
IS THERE A MOTION, WELL, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CARRIAGE RIDES FAR AS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING PLAN ON DOING? ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW? I SURE HOPE SO.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, YEAH, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
YOU WANNA RECAP WHERE WE LANDED ON THAT? YEAH, SO I DON'T HAVE THE, THE TEAM HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETELY FLUSH OUT WHAT ACTIVATIONS WILL BE ON THE GROUNDS.
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CARRIAGE RIDES.NOTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED AS FAR AS DEFINITIVE GOES.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT BASED ON THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE FINANCES AS WELL AS STAFFING.
AND SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EXPLORING.
I MEAN, I RECALL THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL CONVERSATION THAT COUNCIL WAS SO SUPPORTIVE OF THE KARA RIDES.
IF THERE'S DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON THAT, WE NEED TO HEAR IT.
THAT'S WHAT I, I RECALL WE WERE SUPPORTIVE.
AT THE TIME THE MAJORITY WAS, BUT IF THIS IS, IF THAT'S YOUR REASON, DID YOU BRING IT UP FOR A REASON? UM, I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE, SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPLORE IT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
THERE'S CERTAINLY PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THAT AND THAT'S OKAY.
UH, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO JUST SAY THAT IF WE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY, I WANT TO JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE A FOR THE, UH, FUNDING OF THE, UH, HOLIDAY LIGHTING, UH, SERVICES AT ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[b. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance to amend the Town's annual budget for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2026.]
B, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE TOWN'S ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
STEPHEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
AND UH, WE HAVE OUR YEAR END BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS INCLUDED IN THIS AMENDMENT.
UM, SO JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT OUR BUDGET AMENDMENT PROCESS IS.
SO REGULAR AMENDMENTS ARE ACCEPTED, UH, JUST MEANS WE'RE MONITORING AND MANAGING OUR FISCAL AFFAIRS, UH, CHANGES IN CIRCUMSTANCES AND THEY'RE TRANSPARENT.
AND THIS IS OUR BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, POLICY.
SO TRANSFERS WITHIN A DEPARTMENT CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CFO TRANSFERS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS OF LESS THAN 5% CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGERS.
AND THEN TRANSFERS, UH, BETWEEN FUNDS ARE MORE THAN 5% ARE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UH, WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR, UH, QUITE A FEW YEARS.
UH, BASICALLY THIS AMENDMENT IS AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER, UH, ONCE WE HAVE CLOSED OUR BOOKS OR ARE ABOUT READY TO CLOSE OUR BOOKS, UH, TO TRANSFER ANY, UH, UNSPENT APPROPRIATIONS OR EXCESS REVENUE, IT'S GENERALLY, UH, EXTRA SALES TAX THAT WE'VE EARNED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UH, AND TRANSFER 75% OF THAT TO THE SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND AND 25% OF THAT TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
UH, SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT THAT FINAL AMOUNT WILL BE.
UH, SOMETIME IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE'RE CLOSING OUR BOOKS AND WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE, UH, 2027 BUDGET.
WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE WERE ESTIMATING THAT AMOUNT, UH, TO BE ABOUT 1.2 MILLION.
SO THAT WOULD BE 900,000 OVER TO THE SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND AND 300,000 TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
I CAN SAY THAT I PROBABLY ANTICIPATE THAT BEING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE THAT WAS INCLUDED, UH, IN THE BUDGET.
UH, AND THEN WITHIN THE STORMWATER FUND, UH, TWO ITEMS, UH, THE ADDISON JUNCTION INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN, THE STORMWATER PORTION, UH, OF THAT, UH, THAT WAS A, A CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, UH, BACK IN MARCH.
UH, AND THEN THE MARY KAY SITE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT STUDY, UH, THE STORMWATER PORTION OF THAT, UH, $60,000.
THAT CONTRACT WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL AT THE LAST MEETING OF APRIL.
AND THAT TOTAL OF THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE $200,000.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO THERE'S THE GRAND TOTALS, AND THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
DARREN, I DIDN'T DO MY HOMEWORK.
UH, FOR LAST YEAR, WHAT WAS THE, UH, THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS FOR LAST YEAR'S BUDGET TRANSFER TO, UH, THE SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, UH, LAST YEAR, WHAT THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS WERE? MM-HMM
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO TRANSFER A TOTAL OF 3 MILLION.
SO 2.25 WENT TO SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS AND THEN 750,000, UH, WENT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU EXPECT THIS YEAR TO BE A LITTLE MORE THAN 1.2? IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE THAN 1.2.
WE STILL HAVE SOME SALES TAX, SO MIXED BEVERAGE TAXES TO COME IN.
UH, BUT WE ARE TRENDING ABOVE WHAT WE, UH, WERE ESTIMATING NOT QUITE 3 MILLION, NOT QUITE 3 MILLION, I THINK, UH, PROBABLY BETWEEN 1.2 AND AND 2 MILLION.
OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
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AYE.THE OPPOSED A ITEM FIVE B IS APPROVED.
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ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.IT'S THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, UH, SHARE EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS, CONDOLENCE INFORMATION, ET CETERA.
AND I'M SEEING DARREN UP FIRST.
THANKS AGAIN TO, UM, SPECIAL EVENT STAFF, ABBY, THE WHOLE TEAM AND ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT PULLED OFF.
UH, I WANT ESPECIALLY HIGHLIGHT THAT, UH, THE MAYOR'S MOSS KRUG THING, WHATEVER, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? MOSS KRUG? YEAH, MOSS KRUG WAS REALLY A GREAT IDEA.
AND BRUCE, YOU DID A GOOD JOB.
YOU STAYED INTO THE LAST THREE.
AND I, I, I WOULD EXPECT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOT SOME LEGS ON IT.
I THINK WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT 20 AND 30 MARES.
WE HAD MAYOR COME FROM GODLY TEXAS, GODLY COPPER CANYON, ANNA, THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S LIKE WAY DOWN THERE.
IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, WEST TEXAS.
SO IT'S JUST, I WANNA CONGRATULATE AND THAT, THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT IDEA.
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE, ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
UM, REGIONAL, UH, DRAWS, DEFINITELY.
UH, MARLEY? YEAH, MAYOR, I'VE GOT A COUPLE ITEMS. SO, UM, I WAS OUT AT OCTOBER FEST, UH, OPENING NIGHT AND THEN ALSO, UM, UH, SATURDAY NIGHT.
AND, UH, JUST TO, THERE WAS A LOT OF OF GREAT THINGS GOING ON, BUT I'M JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE.
BUT, UM, I, I REMEMBER, UH, DAN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SINO AND I WERE WALKING AROUND SATURDAY NIGHT AND I JUST, AND WE WERE JUST KIND OF OBSERVING AND I JUST REMEMBER AT SOME POINT JUST LIKE FOCUSED ON THE MUGS, THE OCTO, THE OCTOBER FEST MUGS.
AND IT WAS JUST LIKE ONE THIRD OF, OF EVERYBODY WALKING AROUND HAD HAD THEIR MUG, WHETHER THEY WERE DRINKING OUTTA THE CARRIER.
AND IT'S JUST LIKE, HOW AWESOME IS THAT, THAT THEY, THEY'VE GOT THIS KEEPSAKE AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT THING HOME AND THEY'RE GONNA KEEP IT, UH, WHEREVER THEY KEEP IT IN THEIR HOUSE.
BUT IT WAS JUST, IT WAS IMPRESSIVE TO SEE THAT, THAT MANY.
UM, AND THEN THE ANOTHER THING THAT THAT REALLY POPPED OUT IS, UM, AND DURING, DURING HIGHLIGHTED A LITTLE BIT, UH, THE GAMES, ALL THE VARIOUS GAMES, WHETHER IT WAS THE MUS THE MOST GREG OR MUSK GREG OR THE BEER, BEER, UH, BARREL ROLLING OR JUST ON AND ON.
BUT EVERYBODY WAS JUST HAVING SUCH A KICK AND THEY WERE JUST SO INTO THESE GAMES.
AND SO, SO TO SEE THAT ENTHUSIASM AND SEE, UM, UH, AND THE, AND THEN THE TOWN STAFF, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I TALKED TO, UH, UH, ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS AND THEY'VE GOT SOME TRACKING DEVICE AND, AND HE SAID, I THINK HE, I THINK HE SAID HE WALKED LIKE 14 MILES ONE DAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT AND THAT'S JUST ONE DAY, RIGHT? UM, SO IT WAS, UH, IT WAS AN AWESOME, AWESOME EVENT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S APPRECIATED, UH, HOW HARD, UM, THE TOWN STAFF WORKED EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, AND ALSO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, WHETHER IT BE OURS OR, OR SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, UH, UM, THROUGH THAT CAME TO, TO, TO HELP US WITH SUPPORT.
UM, AND, UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS AWESOME TO SEE THAT.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM, I NEED TO SHIFT GEARS WITH YOU BECAUSE, UM, WE, UH, ADDISON RESIDENT JACK GRIFFIN, UH, UNFORTUNATELY HE PASSED AWAY THIS WEEKEND.
AND, UM, JACK, UH, JACK WAS THE MOST ACCOMPLISHED, UH, INDIVIDUAL I'VE EVER KNOWN.
UM, AND HE WAS ALSO, UM, BUT HE WAS SO FRIENDLY AND HUMBLE.
YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW, UM, OF ALL THESE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SPEAK TO A, A COUPLE OF THEM 'CAUSE THEY REALLY, THEY REALLY SPEAK TO THE MAN.
UM, BUT HE WAS, HE WAS SO COMPETITIVE.
SO HE WENT TO BAYLOR AND HE WAS ON THE TENNIS TEAM AT BAYLOR.
HE WAS THE NUMBER ONE PLAYER ON THE BAYLOR TENNIS TEAM FOR, I DON'T KNOW, THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
UM, HE, HE, HE DROVE, UH, FORMULA ONE.
HE DROVE FOR, FOR, UH, PORSCHE TEAM PORSCHE.
HE DROVE, UH, HE WAS ONE OF THE TWO DRIVERS IN ONE OF THE 24 HOUR LEMANS, UM, RACE CONTEST.
UM, HE, UM, UH, HE, HE PLAYED AT WIMBLEDON.
UM, HE, UH, AFTER THAT, IF THAT WASN'T ENOUGH, HE, HE WAS HIGHLY SUCE SUCCESSFUL WORKING FOR TRAMMELL CROW IN THEIR COMMERCIAL DIVISION.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, HE WENT ON TO START THIS COMPANY CALLED, UH, AT THAT TIME GARAGES OF TEXAS.
AND, UH, AND, AND HE AND ANOTHER PARTNER, UM, THEY WERE DOING QUITE WELL AND THEY, THEY CONCLUDED, HEY, GARAGES OF TEXAS, THAT NAME'S TOO SMALL.
WE GOTTA CHANGE IT TO GARAGES OF AMERICA.
SO THEY, HE'D JUST BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
BUT THE WHOLE TIME, UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN ANYBODY WOULD TALK TO HIM, YOU, YOU WOULD NEVER, HE WAS JUST SO FRIENDLY AND DOWN TO EARTH AND HUMBLE
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AND, AND I JUST SAW THAT MANY OCCASIONS HE, HE BECAME GREAT FRIENDS WITH, WITH A LOT OF US IN OUR ADDISON COMMUNITY.SO, UM, HE WILL BE DEARLY MISSED.
I JUST WANT TO COMMEND ABBY AND THE TEAM.
CERTAINLY FIRST RESPONDERS, AGAIN, TO MARLIN'S POINT, UM, JUST A BEAUTIFUL OCTOBER FEST.
I THINK THE, THE USAGE OF THE BIG SCREEN TV, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THE LSU OLE MISS GAME WAS REALLY IMPACTFUL.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE STAYED TO DRIVE THAT REVENUE, HAD AN ADDITIONAL BEVERAGE, HAD ADDITIONAL MEALS.
UM, SO KUDOS, ABBY TO THE TEAM FOR SORT, SORT OF THINKING THAT REVENUE DRIVING COMPONENT BY KEEPING PEOPLE WITHIN THE PARK.
UM, THANKS TO MARLON FOR LOOPING ME INTO A BARREL RACE, I'D NEVER EXPERIENCED THAT BEFORE.
CERTAINLY HAVE A LITTLE BATTLE INJURY, BUT WELL WORTH THE FUN, THE LAUGHS AND, UM, JUST COMPLIMENTS THE ENTIRE TOWN, ENTIRE STAFF AND ALL THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS THAT CAME TO PARTICIPATE.
SO BESIDES THE PLUS ONE TO MY OTHER FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, JUST GREAT JOB, ABBY.
I WAS THERE ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND WAS ABLE TO SEE, UH, OUR MAYOR, UH, DRESSED UP IN HIS, UH, OUTFIT LETTER.
YEAH, I CAN'T EVEN SAY THE NAME.
BUT, UH, SO, AND I HAD A LOT OF FUN PLAYING THE VIDEO GAMES AND ALSO REALLY ENJOYED THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MUSIC AROUND, UH, THE PARK.
AND THEN ALSO JUST WANTED TO GIVE, UH, KUDOS TO, IS CHIEF, UH, CJ STILL HERE? OH YES, HE CAME AND SPOKE AT THE, UH, ADDISON, UH, MIDDAY ROTARY CLUB.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT.
YOU STILL RANDY? YEAH, I JUST WANNA TAG ON TO MARLON AND JACK WAS A REALLY GOOD GUY AND ANYONE THAT DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO GET TO KNOW HIM, IT'S A GREAT LOSS FOR YOU AS LONG AS WELL AS OUR TOWN.
AND I JUST WANT TO ALSO ADD TO THAT HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS WITH HIM IN THE CAR AND SHE IS STILL IN VERY CRITICAL CONDITION AT MEDICAL METHODIST HOSPITAL CARE FLIGHTED FROM THE ACCIDENT THERE.
SO PLEASE KEEP HER IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND, UH, HOPE THINGS COME OUT WELL THERE.
SO, BUT IT, IT IS A TRUE LOSS FORCE.
UM, YEAH, JUST, UH, I'LL, UH, DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OCTOBER FEST.
CONGRATULATIONS TO, TO EVERYBODY.
IT WAS A REALLY, IT WAS AN AMAZING EVENT.
IT WAS HOT, BUT, BUT PEOPLE SHOWED UP AND, AND WHAT WE KNOW IS IN ADDISON, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SHOW UP IF IT'S HOT, BUT THEY WON'T SHOW UP IF IT RAINS.
SO I GUESS WE HAVE TO TAKE THE, THE HEAT SOMETIMES, BUT, BUT TO A PERSON, I MEAN, ABBY, YOU AND YOUR TEAM AMAZING OF COURSE.
BUT IT WAS ALL, JUST LIKE ALL OF OUR EVENTS, THEY, THERE, IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK AND EVERYBODY'S OUT THERE WORKING SO HARD.
UM, AND, AND THE, THE, THE BLACK AND WHITE STRIPED SHIRT FOLKS, ALL THE REFEREE LOOKING FOLKS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING SUCH GREAT WORK OUT THERE.
BUT EVERYBODY, AND THE THING THAT I REALLY LOVE ABOUT IT IS, UH, AND, AND, AND ABBY AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY GET A LIST AND SAY, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE CHECK BOXES YOU HAVE TO DO TO RUN YOUR EVENT.
THEY, THEY GET OWNERSHIP OF THAT EVENT.
THEY TAKE THE OWNERSHIP AND THEY RUN WITH IT AND THEY JUST DO AN AMAZING JOB WITH IT.
UH, IT WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE AND, UH, AND I WAS OUT THERE SOME, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL FOUR DAYS OF IT AND, UH, LOVED SEEING THE CROWDS AND, AND THERE'S SO MUCH JOY, JUST PEOPLE HAVING JUST TRUE FUN OUT THERE.
AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY GREAT IN THE KIDS' AREA.
AND, UH, THE MAYOR'S MOSQUE, THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
WE HAD A GREAT TIME WITH THAT.
AND I TALKED TO THE OTHER MAYORS AFTERWARDS AND THEY SINCERELY HAD A FUN TIME.
UH, AND SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THEY CAME OUT AND, UH, WE HOPE IT'LL BE BIGGER AND BETTER NEXT YEAR.
UM, AND EVEN AFTERWARDS, I WAS TALKING TO MAYOR GILMORE FROM LEWISVILLE AND HE'S ALREADY THAT, THAT PUT AN IDEA IN HIS HEAD FOR NEXT YEAR AT THEIR WESTERN DAYS TO DO A, A CATTLE, A CALF ROPING COMPETITION, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BALE OF HAY AND THE FAKE COW HEAD.
SO, UM, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET, UM, SOME BELLS OF HAY AT THE ATHLETIC CLUB FOR SOME PRACTICE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO, UH, BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO THE NEXT YEAR.
AND, UH, AND, AND THE TEAM IS ALREADY, WELL, WE'RE ENJOYING 39TH.
THE TEAM HAS ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON THE 40TH YEAR FOR NEXT YEAR, SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THEY COME UP WITH FOR THAT.
SO, UM, WITH SEEING NOTHING ELSE, UH, WE'RE AT THE END OF OUR AGENDA, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8 24.