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[Call to Order]
GOOD EVENING.IT IS FIVE 30 AND WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 25TH, 2020 SIXTH.
UH, HERE AT ADDISON TOWN HALL.
THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION MEETING, AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT WITH ALL MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.
GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY GO, UH, RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THE SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW.
THE COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSSING THE ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS, UM, IN FRONT OF ME.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE
[Council Member Clarification on Consent Agenda Items]
ON TO ITEM THREE, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARIFICATION ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED FROM COUNSEL ON ANYTHING ON CONSENT AGENDA? ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD.UH, THREE A COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS WHENEVER THE COUNCIL SENDS IN QUESTIONS TO STAFF REGARDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, PUT INTO A DOCUMENT SENT OUT TO ALL THE COUNSEL.
THAT SAME DOCUMENT IS UPLOADED TO THE TOWN WEBSITE, SO ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN GO TO THE, UH, TOWN WEBSITE, FIND THE AGENDA.
THERE WILL BE A LINK WITHIN THE AGENDA TO, UH, FOR THEY CAN DOWNLOAD THAT SAME DOCUMENT THAT THE COUNCIL'S LOOKING.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY COUNCIL QUESTIONS THIS WEEK.
[Closed Session]
SESSION.THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL WILL ENTER A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 5 51 DASH 7 9 0 TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING.
ITEM FOUR A PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0 7 1, SECTION ONE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS TO DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE REGARDING COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE, STAY OR EXPAND, ENTER NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS.
WE'LL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AT THIS TIME.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PERTAINING TO THIS ITEM, WE'LL ASK YOU TO, UH, EXIT TO THE NEXT ROOM FOR NOW.
[Open Meeting]
AND WE ARE COMING BACK INTO OPEN SESSION FROM OUR CLOSED SESSION.THERE'S NO ACTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO TAKE FROM THE CLOSED SESSION.
SO WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. ITEM SIX
[a. Present and discuss potential amendments to Chapter 22, Article VIII of the Addison Code of Ordinances for short-term rentals.]
A, PRESENT AND DISCUSS POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 22, ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE ADDISON CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.AND I'M DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
IT'S ON, TURN IT UP A LITTLE WHERE CHAD IS.
UM, UH, I WANNA POINT OUT AND I APOLOGIZE, THERE WAS A PRIOR VERSION THAT GOT UPLOADED TO THE PACKET.
UM, THIS VERSION THAT I'M PRESENTING IS THE CORRECT VERSION.
THE CONTENT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL SLIDES JUST REITERATING SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, AND THAT UPDATED VERSION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO JUST KIND OF A OVERVIEW OF OUR CURRENT SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE AND, UM, SOME FEEDBACK FOR STAFF TO EXPLORE SOME ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL CHANGES.
SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.
UM, A COUPLE OF, UM, KEY COMPONENTS TO THAT.
SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE DOES SPECIFICALLY DEFINE THE APPLICABILITY, AND IT IS ANY RESIDENCE RENTED FOR, UH, A PERIOD OF TIME, LESS THAN 30 DAYS.
UM, SO ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT IS, WOULD JUST BE CONSIDERED A RENTAL.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE KEY DIFFERENTIATOR.
UM, ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE PROOF OF PRIMARY RESIDENCY.
WE DO REQUIRE TWO PROOF, TWO FORMS OF PROOF FOR PRIMARY RESIDENCY.
THAT COULD INCLUDE SOMETHING SUCH AS A DRIVER'S LICENSE, VOTER REGISTRATION, SO FORTH.
UM, WE ALSO DO REQUIRE THAT THEY REGISTER AND GET AN ANNUAL PERMIT.
UM, THERE ARE VARIOUS, UH, RESTRICTIONS SUCH AS OCCUPANCY AND PARKING LIMITS.
UM, AND I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THAT, UH, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX IS STILL REQUIRED PER ORDINANCE, UH, TO BE
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PROVIDED TO THE TOWN FOR SHORT, SHORT-TERM RENTALS.A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY.
SO OUR CURRENT, UM, ORDINANCE WAS FIRST ADOPTED, OR AN ORDINANCE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS WAS FIRST INTRODUCED TO THE IN THE TOWN IN 2019.
UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL, UM, SUNSET PROVISIONS AND ULTIMATELY THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WAS, UH, REINSTATED IN ITS CURRENT FORM IN OCTOBER OF 2021.
IT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED SINCE THAT TIME.
AND SO, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE CURRENT PURPOSE STATEMENT, UH, WITHIN THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY, UM, APPLIES OUR ORDINANCE TO SINGLE FAMILY UNITS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ANYTHING, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT.
SO, UH, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR VARIOUS COMPARATOR CITIES AND HOW THEY LINE UP.
UM, I WOULD SAY MOST CITIES DO REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, THERE ARE TWO, UM, FLOWER MOUND DOES NOT REGULATE THEM.
THEY DO ALLOW THEM IN MULTIFAMILY, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THEY DON'T REGULATE THEM, SO IT'S JUST INHERENTLY ALLOWED.
UM, AND THEY DON'T REGULATE THEM IN SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY, I'LL POINT OUT.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE A, A PERMIT, OBVIOUSLY NO FEE.
UNIVERSITY PARK HAS DOCUMENTATION OF, UM, A DESIRE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE, HOWEVER, THEY DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ONE.
AND I WILL ALSO ADD THAT THEY HAVE ALMOST NO MULTI-FAMILY IN UNIVERSITY PARK.
UM, IN GENERAL, UH, MOST OF IT'S ALMOST ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE OTHER, UM, CITIES, ALMOST ALL OF THEM REGULATE THEM IN SOME FORM AND, UM, ALLOW THEM IN MULTI-FAMILY AND ALSO REGULATE THEM IN MULTI-FAMILY.
UH, WE ARE ONE OF THE FEW THAT DOESN'T HAVE REGULATIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO MULTIFAMILY.
AND IN RELATION TO THE FEE, UM, SO THIS IS THE PER UNIT FEE.
UM, WE ARE TOWARDS THE LOWER END ON OUR PER UNIT UNIT FEE.
I WILL ALSO ADD THAT THIS, UH, WHILE THIS PROVIDES THE PERMIT FEE FOR THOSE WHO DO REQUIRE A PERMIT, UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER ANCILLARY COSTS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDED IN THIS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT REQUIRE, UM, THE ONLY, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IF THEY GET APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FEE IS $500.
SO YOU HAVE TO, THERE'S AN UPFRONT COST FOR APPROVAL.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ANNUAL FEE PER UNIT.
SO I JUST WANNA DIFFERENTIATE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS DEPENDING ON THE CITY.
AND THOSE TWO WOULD'VE TO PAY HOTEL TAX ON EVERY THAT IS CORRECT.
AND SO, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT REALLY SEEKING SOME FEEDBACK.
UM, IF THERE IS A DESIRE FROM COUNCIL TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM IN ANY MANNER TO INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEXES, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO MODIFY THE FEE IN ANY WAY, UM, OR ANY OTHER RESTRICTIONS OR ALLOWANCES FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, EXPLORE FURTHER.
SO WE'RE SEEKING THAT DIRECTION.
UM, AND DEPENDING UPON THE EXTENT OF THE DESIRED CHANGES, WE WOULD COME BACK, UH, POTENTIALLY FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT OR CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT OR FOR DISCUSSIONS.
YEAH, LESLIE, HOW MANY, UH, HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS RIGHT NOW? AND THAT'S JUST SINGLE FAMILY? DO WE HAVE REGISTERED? WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE, REGISTERED FIVE.
UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA ADD, I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL WHEN WE CREATED THIS ORDINANCE.
AND THE REASON WE CREATED IT IS BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS, ABOUT THREE OF THEM IN OUR, IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND, AND SO WHEN WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IS WE DIDN'T, AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T NEED THIS FOR MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY, UH, BASICALLY WERE, IT WAS SHARED THAT THEY HAVE PROVISIONS IN THEIR LEASE THAT DON'T ALLOW THEM TO SUBLET SO THAT, THAT THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, PROPERTY MANAGERS OR OWNERS WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER COVID QUITE A FEW YEARS LATER, MAYBE THINGS HAVE CHANGED, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, OF, OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE MULTI-FAMILY AND, AND MAYBE NOT SO MUCH IN THE SINGLE FAMILY AT PRESENT.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF PAST HISTORY ON THAT.
A COUPLE QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION.
SO WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE VEHICLES PARKING ONE PER BEDROOM MM-HMM
UM, HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA EFFECTIVELY POLICE THAT IF THERE'S FOUR CARS, LET'S SAY IN A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH A, A DRIVEWAY THAT CAN FIT THREE TO FOUR CARS? I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING 4, 5, 6 VEHICLES IN A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, SO IT'S
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EITHER OR I'M SEEING HERE IT'S OR MAXIMUM FITS IN THE GARAGE OR DRIVEWAY.SO, UM, TYPICALLY HOW A LOT OF THAT IS POLICED IS BY COMPLAINT.
AND ALSO I'LL ADD THAT, UM, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT I THINK HELPS BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T ALLOW PARKING ON STREET THROUGH THE EVENING.
SO THAT INHERENTLY IS, UM, PROHIBITED.
AND SO IT KIND, IT, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT POLICES ITSELF, BUT IT INHERENTLY IS ALREADY POLICED.
UM, SO WE TYPICALLY HAVE NOT HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, I WOULD SAY, UM, ON OCCASION.
UM, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY RARE THAT WE HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN EXCESS OF WHAT IS APPROPRIATE AND THEN SPILLING ONTO THE STREET.
SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF AN EYESORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IF THEY'RE NOT REALLY BREAKING THE LAW.
IT'S JUST MORE OF AN EYESORE TO LOOK AT IT REGULARLY.
WELL, AND I THINK, SO I THINK THERE'S, UM, POTENTIAL, THERE'S OTHER POTENTIAL IMPACTS, RIGHT? SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE WAS TO THROW A PARTY AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE, THERE COULD BE NOISE.
SO IT, IT'S KIND OF A SPILLOVER, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE, UM, SO WE CAN HANDLE IT THROUGH MANY DIFFERENT AVENUES.
BUT THE PARKING DOES AND OUR PARKING RESTRICTIONS ON STREET DO HELP LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TYPICALLY, UM, BEING IN THESE HOMES AT ONE TIME, UH, WHEN THEY'RE BEING USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW, UM, IN FIVE, EXCUSE ME, UH, IN TOWN.
AND SO M MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT THEY EXIST AND, UM, USE THE FIXIT APP OR OTHER MEANS TO ALERT US IF THERE'S A CONCERN.
AND THEN LAST, LAST QUESTION, 2020, I'M READING IT, IT WAS $115 FOR THE, THE LICENSE.
WHY ARE WE NOT MORE COMPETITIVE WITH OUR COMPARATOR CITIES? YEAH, SO THE FEE HAS NOT BEEN EVALUATED SINCE THAT TIME.
UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE, THE ITEMS WE'RE REQUESTING FEEDBACK IF, IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO INCREASE OR MODIFY THAT FEE.
UM, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CURRENTLY THAT UNAUTHORIZED APARTMENTS ARE BOTH OF FAMILY UNITS THAT PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY USING RIGHT NOW? SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T CURRENTLY, UM, REQUIRE A PERMIT, UM, FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND WE DON'T, UM, NECESSARILY PROHIBIT THEM EITHER.
OUR CODE DOES NOT OUTRIGHT PROHIBIT THEM.
WHILE THIS COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE DAILY, 'CAUSE THEY'RE ONLINE LISTINGS.
WE DID AN AUDIT LAST WEEK MM-HMM
AND WE IDENTIFIED 143, UH, WITHIN THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
UM, I'LL ALSO ADD ANOTHER CAVEAT THAT THAT WAS ACROSS THREE DIFFERENT LISTING SITES AND THE SITES DO NOT EXPLICITLY LIST THE ADDRESS.
SO THERE IS A CHANCE THAT ONE UNIT COULD BE LISTED ON THREE SITES AND COULD HAVE BEEN COUNTED THREE TIMES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE MULTI-FAMILY SITES, WHETHER YOU MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, ARE LIKE THE LEASING DEPARTMENT IS LEASING AT THESE, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS OR IS IT SOMEONE ELSE? OR DO WE KNOW? UM, SO I BELIEVE MANY OF THEM ARE PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT THERE ARE NOT PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE THESE LISTINGS.
I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT EXISTS.
BUT I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE, UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE A ACTIVE LEASE, UM, AT THESE COMPLEXES AND ARE THEN USING IT, UM, FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL AS ADDITIONAL INCOME.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMPLEXES WHO, UM, SHARE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL INCOME FOR RESIDENTS.
AND IF WE DID APPROVE THIS, UM, HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE, DO YOU HAVE A, A IDEA HOW YOU WOULD HANDLE THE INSPECTIONS? SO THAT IS A BROADER QUESTION ABOUT, UM, I THINK A MUCH BROADER CONVERSATION WHERE WE WANTED TO GET SOME, AT LEAST INITIAL FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON A, A, A DIRECTION THEY'D LIKE TO PURSUE SO THAT WE CAN DO SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS ON, UM, HOW WE WOULD TACKLE THIS.
I THINK DEPENDING UPON THE SCOPE, UM, THAT IS, UM, DESIRED, THAT WILL IMPACT WHAT WE NEED TO EXECUTE THAT.
BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO FURTHER AND, AND HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH COUNSEL ABOUT.
'CAUSE I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THE RESOURCES THAT IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, OR ADD TO THE RESOURCES THAT WE MIGHT NEED.
SO I, I I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
I'LL GO TO YOU DARREN, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, THE, FOR ONE, IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY IN OUR, UH, REGULATIONS FOR STR OF THE CITIES THAT DO THAT, WHICH IS VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY.
UH, DO THEY REGULATE THEM IN THE SAME MANNER AS THEY DO SINGLE FAMILY? OR DO YOU KNOW THAT DETAIL? IT'S QUITE BROAD, SO SOME OF THEM DO.
SO, UH, I WOULD SAY, AND I CAN PROVIDE SOME MORE
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DETAILED INFORMATION, IT'S, IT'S A LOT BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES ARE SIX PAGES LONG, UM, FOR EACH OF THESE CITIES.BUT SOME, UM, REGULATE THEM DIFFERENTLY.
SOME INHERENTLY SAY A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THE DEFINITION IS FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL UNIT, IT DOES NOT MATTER THE TYPE, IF IT'S RENTAL OR OWNERSHIP, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S, WE HAVE A BLANKET REQUIREMENT FOR ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL REGARDLESS OF THE, THE, I'M GONNA SAY THE UNIT TYPE.
UM, WHILE THERE ARE SOME THAT ACTUALLY HAVE CAPS, SO, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CITIES THAT ACT THAT HAVE A PERCENTAGE.
FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THEM HAS A MAXIMUM OF 5% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS WITHIN A MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX COULD BE UTILIZED FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO A SINGLE FAMILY.
I'M REALLY GOOD GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S QUITE A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY IN THE MULTIFAMILY.
UM, SO YOU, YOU SAID YOU RESEARCHED HOW MANY, THERE ACTUALLY ARE JUST OBVIOUSLY WASN'T A SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, BUT YOU CHECKED THE WEBSITES, THE DIFFERENT MAJOR ONES.
AND YOU COUNTED 143, WAS THAT JUST MULTIFAMILY OR WAS THAT ALL IN ADDISON? THAT WAS JUST THE MULTIFAMILY.
UH, I, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, MULTIFAMILIES ARE PROMOTING THIS, UH, I'VE SEEN IT, UH, POSTED ON DIFFERENT PLACES, THE ACTUAL, UH, LANGUAGE THEY USE.
UM, I'M GONNA COME IN HOT ON THIS ONE.
I'D RATHER BAN ALL STR JUST TO LET EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE I'M AT.
UM, WE HAVE QUIET NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY'RE NOT MADE FOR THAT.
UM, I DO USE ST UH, BUT, SO I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.
IT'S, AND IT ALSO IS ROBBING OUR HOTEL STAYS.
THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF IT DOESN'T FIT IN THE QUIET NEIGHBORHOODS IF WE DON'T BAN 'EM.
UH, AND SO, SO IF WE DO BAN 'EM NOW, THE ONES IN THE APARTMENTS ARE NO, NOT REGISTERED.
SO THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY STOP AS SOON AS WE ENACT THIS.
AND IF WE DON'T DO A BAN, THEN IT WOULD CERTAINLY LIMIT THE MULTIFAMILIES TO THE PERCENTAGES THAT WE HAD IN OUR ORIGINAL, UM, UH, PACKET.
AND I WOULD BE, IF WE DON'T BAN 'EM, I'D STILL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO AN SUP, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ALSO BECAUSE THAT DOES INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, A LOT OF VISIBILITY.
IF AN STR IS COMING INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ALL THE PEOPLE I TALK TO THAT HAS A COUPLE OF 'EM IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND THE MAX FEE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, I'D RATHER BEND ALL.
AND IF WE DON'T BAN 'EM, THEN HAVE HIGH REGULATION ON GETTING IN.
AND THEN THE INSPECTION AND THE WAY WE WOULD PAY FOR IT IS THE FEES WOULD PAY FOR IT.
AND THAT'S HOW THE, THE RENTAL REGISTRATION IS LARGELY FUNDED ALSO.
AND I, I WOULD SAY TO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THIS LIST UP HERE, THERE IS NUANCE TO EACH OF THESE.
SOME OF THEM, LIKE CARROLLTON HAS SAID, THEY'RE ACCEPTING NO NEW REGISTRATIONS PAST, UH, I BELIEVE DECEMBER OF 25 MM-HMM
SO THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING, HEY, IF YOU HAD A REGISTRATION, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN.
THERE ARE OTHER CITIES DOING THAT RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT HAVE A CAP.
THEY SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THAT'S ALL WE WILL HAVE IN THE TOWN OR CITY.
SO THERE IS NUANCE THERE THAT COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND, JUST TO CLARIFY, GIVEN THAT NO NEW STR, IF WE, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE END UP GOING, UM, THEN THAT WOULD PROHIBIT ALL OF THE UNREGISTERED ST.
SO THAT MEANS THEY WOULD ALL GO AWAY? WELL, WELL, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE DON'T REGULATE THEM AT ALL RIGHT NOW.
IT WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THE, DUE TO ANY REGULATIONS.
RIGHT? WELL, NO, I MEAN, GET A NEW, IF YOU SAID, IF YOU SAID ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE REGISTERED, THEN IT WOULD ONLY BE THE FIVE SINGLE FAMILIES.
NO ONE ELSE COULD HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, EVEN IF THEY'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING AS ONE.
MEANING THEY COULDN'T REGISTER AND GET APPROVAL FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, BUT THEY, THEY DON'T REGISTER AND GET A SHORT TERM APPROVAL FOR ONE NOW.
YEAH, BUT WE WOULD, SO WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD STOP THAT? WE WOULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE SAYING YOU CANNOT OPERATE WITHOUT A, THAT'S THE QUESTION REGISTRATION.
SO I, I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT THE, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE ALLOWED IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
UH, TO MARLIN'S POINT, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF A LEASE AND THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN A, IN A, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SMALL AREA, UM, ACCESS TO PARKING.
I MEAN, IF, IF YOU'RE ALLOWING SOMEONE THROUGH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ACCESS TO PARKING, THAT'S, YOU'RE PROBABLY ALLOWING THEM TO GET INTO THE GARAGE.
I SEE ALL KIND OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE REGULATED UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
UM, ARE WE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO BAN THEM? WELL, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY LEGAL QUESTION.
THERE IS LEGAL ANALYSIS AND AT SOME POINT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A LEGAL CONVERSATION.
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AND THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND THERE'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN PUBLIC, SOME OF THE LITIGATION, BUT CITIES ARE TAKING THAT STEP.AND CARROLLTON BEING OUR NEIGHBOR HAS JUST DONE THAT.
AND THEY SAID AS OF DECEMBER, 2025, NO NEW REGISTRATION.
CITIES ARE TAKING THE CALCULATION AND SAYING IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
SO THAT'S A DECISION WE WOULD'VE TO MAKE AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL.
BUT SO IF WE, IF WE TAKE THAT STEP, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY THEM? I MEAN, IF I LEASE AN APARTMENT SOMEWHERE AND THEN I DECIDE TO PUT IT ON ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL WEBSITES, HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA POLICE THAT? HOW ARE WE GONNA ENFORCE THAT? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT.
UM, SO, UM, WE WOULD EVALUATE FURTHER AS WE PROGRESSED IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION.
UM, BUT SOME IDEAS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UM, ULTIMATELY IT IS RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ADHE TO ENSURE THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS COMPLIANT WITH TOWN ORDINANCE.
UM, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE LIABLE FOR ENFORCEMENT ACTION UP TO CITATIONS, UM, PER DAY ON IF THEIR PROPERTY IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL, 'CAUSE IT'S ONLINE, UH, ANY LISTING IN ADDISON, UM, THROUGH ALL OF THE MAJOR SITES.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO CHECK THAT.
AND WE'RE ALSO AT THE PROPERTIES, UM, MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR DOING THROUGH THE RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, UM, OUTREACH ON TO MAKE SURE TO EDUCATE THEM, UM, THAT IT, IF WE WERE TO PURSUE THAT, THAT IT WOULD NO LONGER BE ALLOWED AND GIVE THEM A PERIOD OF TIME TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND, AND, AND, UM, RESPOND FROM THAT POINT IF APPROPRIATE.
'CAUSE I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
I JUST, I, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT PASSING ORDINANCES THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE.
SO I HOPE WE'VE GIVEN SOME THOUGHT TO THAT TOO.
JUST TO START, WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF SHORT TERM RENTAL? UH, ANY, ANY RENTAL OF A PORTION OR AN ENTIRE UNIT, LIVING UNIT FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS? FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS? CORRECT.
SO IT COULD BE UP TO 29 DAYS AND NOT BE CONSIDERED A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
OH, 29 DAYS IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
IS CONSIDERED, IS NOT CONSIDERED A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO FROM ONE DAY THESE ORDINANCES WOULD KICK IN ON DAY ONE, ON A SHORT TERM RENTAL, IF WE WERE TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS MM-HMM
YOU CAN'T RENT IT FOR ONE DAY.
SO IT WOULD BE FROM IN, IN THE RENTAL OF ANY, WHETHER IT'S A PORTION OF, OR THE ENTIRE LIVING UNIT BETWEEN ONE AND 29 DAYS, THAT IS CONSIDERED A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
NOW HOW WOULD THAT, THAT WOULD NOT, THAT WOULD NOT PROHIBIT SOMEONE FROM HAVING A ROOMMATE AND CHARGING THEM HALF RENT, WOULD IT? CORRECT.
SO I MEAN, NO, IN MOST CASES THAT IS A LONGER TERM LEASE, UM, IN MOST CASES NOW.
BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK.
I, I'M EXACTLY WHERE DARREN IS.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF ALL OF THEM.
I'M GOING TO SETTLE ON GETTING RID OF 'EM THROUGH ATTRITION AND SAY WHAT WE'VE GOT AND ONCE THEY'RE ATTRITIONED OUT, WE'VE GOT IT.
BUT I WANT, I WANT A GOOD DEFINITION.
I DON'T WANNA COME IN HERE AND HAVE A UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T HAVE A ROOMMATE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT TYPE SITUATION, SECURITY IS ONE REASON PEOPLE RENT SOME OF THE APARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
WHO IS PROVIDING THESE SHORT TERM RENTAL PEOPLE, THE KEY FOBS TO GET THROUGH THE SECURITY GATES AND TO GET INTO THE PARKING GARAGES, AND HOW ARE THOSE REGULATED? SO, UM, I, I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE DONE SOME FACT FINDING WITH ONE, UH, PARTICULAR COMPLEX IN TOWN, UM, TO GET SOME INFORMATION.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING THIS HOLISTICALLY APPLIES TO ALL COMPLEXES, BUT FROM WHAT I ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND IS, UM, THE COMPLEX HAS A DIRECT PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, AIRBNB TO PROVIDE THEM, AND THROUGH THE BACK END OF THE APP ACTUALLY SETS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE, I BELIEVE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DAYS ALLOWED PER THE COMPLEX IS, I BELIEVE IT'S 270 DAYS TO BE RENTED OUT ANNUALLY.
THE REMAINING DAYS CANNOT BE RENTED OUT.
AND THE APP THROUGH AIRBNB ACTUALLY LIMITS THE LISTING.
SO I BELIEVE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT IS REALLY A PARTNERSHIP.
AND THE COMPLEX IS DOING A LOT OF THE, I'M GONNA SAY THE ADMINISTRATION OF LIKE CHECKING THE IN AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS AND SO FORTH.
SO THROUGH MY RESEARCH MM-HMM.
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MANAGEMENT COMPANY HAS THEIR OWN POLICY.IN REGARD TO THE COMPLEXES, ONE COMPLEX MAY SAY 188 DAYS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN RENT OUT PER YEAR.
ANOTHER ONE MIGHT SAY 250 DAYS A YEAR.
SO THAT FLUCTUATES WITH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
BUT THESE FOBS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THAT TO ME IS CREATING A SECURITY ISSUE FOR THE REST OF REST OF THE PEOPLE.
AND TO ADDRESS ONE OF CHRIS'S CONCERNS, THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE FULL PARTNERS IN THIS.
THEY ARE ACTUALLY THROUGH MY RESEARCH, ARE ACTUALLY GETTING A COMMISSION OFF OF THESE.
SO IT IS A, IT'S A LARGE FORM OF REVENUE FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO THEY'RE IGNORING THEIR OWN LEASES THAT THEY SIGN TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T DO THIS BY TAKING THIS COMMISSION AND ENCOURAGING IT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE, MY OPINION WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT, THAT YOU WERE GOING DOWN A LITTLE BIT OF THE ROAD THAT I WANTED TO GO DOWN AS WELL.
AND TO ANOTHER ONE OF CHRIS'S POINTS IS THAT'S WELL TAKEN.
IN MY OPINION, THE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE AGAINST THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, NOT AGAINST THE PERSON, NOT AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S DOING THE, THAT IS THE RENTER OR THE RENTEE, THE SUB RENTER OR THE SUB RENTEE.
IT SHOULD BE AGAINST THE PAR THE, THE COMPLEX AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
SO, UM, IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT AS FAR AS SAYING WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ISSUE? SO, UM, I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY IN THAT, UH, SCENARIO, IT, THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE TWO CITATIONS ISSUED.
THERE WOULD BE ONE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OR REGISTERED AGENT, DEPENDING UPON WHAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN ONE TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S LEASING THE UNIT.
DAVID, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING HERE? YEAH, SO I JUST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS WORK SESSION.
THIS WAS A TEMPERATURE CHECK WITH COUNSEL.
I THINK WE CAME IN THINKING THAT COUNCIL CERTAINLY WOULD AT LEAST WANT TO INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY, BUT WE WANTED TO SEE DO YOU WANNA HAVE A FUTURE CONVERSATION OF ADDITIONAL STEPS? I AM SENSING THERE IS AT LEAST A DESIRE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, EXECUTIVE SECTION CONVERSATIONS, AND A MORE THOROUGH WORK SESSION IF THAT'S A DESIRE WHICH WE'LL BRING BACK VERY SOON.
SO CERTAINLY, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO GIVE DIRECTION OR, UH, MAKE A SUGGESTION SURE.
THAT NO MORE NEW PERMITS ARE ISSUED UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE COME BACK AND DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
WE'VE, IN THIS WORK, WE'VE ONLY HAD FIVE SINGLE FAMILIES TOTAL.
SO IT'S NOT, I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE 143 IN THE MULTIFAMILY, THEY'RE HEARING THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION UNTIL TOMORROW.
THEY'RE ALL GONNA TRY TO COME AND GET THE PERMIT.
I DON'T WANT ANY MORE PERMITS ISSUED.
NO MULTI-FAMILY CAN BE ISSUED ALREADY.
IT'S ONLY SINGLE FAMILY CAN BE ISSUED.
THAT WAS TO BRUCE'S POINT, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD, YEAH, I, I GET DAVID'S POINT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A LOT OF DEEP DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE.
ARE WE OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD JUST SAYING? YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
WE ARE, BUT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, SO THIS, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE CREATED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, IT'S A TOOL.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DOING THIS, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS IN DIFFERENT FASHION.
SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE DOING THIS WITH, UH, WHILE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THEIR HOME, RIGHT? THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER ROOM WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE AWAY.
AND IT JUST TAKES DIFFERENT FORMS OF IT.
WE, WE PUT THIS IN PLACE AS A TOOL.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA PREFACE THAT.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THAT AND YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ORDINANCE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ENTIRE ORDINANCE ON WHATEVER AGENDA THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS NEXT.
SO ALL OF US CAN KINDA LOOK AT IT AND THINK ABOUT IT MORE.
IT IS LINKED IN THE BACKGROUND.
NO, I'M, YEAH, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LINK.
SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO CLICK ON THE LINK AND I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ALMOST LIKE IT'S FORCED READING.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT MORE.
AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD IS, UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME HOTELS, SOME HOTELS ACTING LIKE APARTMENTS, WHICH I DON'T LIKE.
AND WE'VE GOT SOME APARTMENTS, UM, ACTING LIKE HOTELS AND IT'S JUST KIND OF, THERE'S A, A BLUR WITH SOME OF THEM.
AND, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO, IF WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO GET THE HOTELS BEING HOTELS IN THE APARTMENTS, BEING HOTEL APARTMENTS.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE THOUGHT IS, IS, UM, THAT I WANNA LEAVE AS WE GO INTO THIS.
I WOULD JUST HOPE WE DON'T WORK SESSION THIS TO DEATH.
I I WOULD THINK WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND MAKE A DECISION ON THIS IS ALL I'M SAYING THIS TO ME, THIS IS AN, IS AN EASY ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING EASY ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BUT, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED FROM US.
LET'S GO WITH WHAT DARREN SAID.
I I JUST DON'T WANNA LEAVE AN UNINTENDED, UM, WHOLE IF WE START REGULATING, UH, APARTMENTS FOR THEM TO
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BE ABLE TO REGISTER BEFORE WE MAKE, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T REGISTER NOW.BUT IF WE SAY WE'RE GONNA START REGULATING APARTMENTS WITH STR AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE, I JUST DON'T WANT ANY NEW ONES TO BE ABLE TO COME IN.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT REGULATED RIGHT NOW, SO THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T REGISTER.
WELL, WE ARE FIVE MINUTES TILL SEVEN.
UM, LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO MOVE OUR OTHER TWO WORK SESSION ITEMS TO THE END OF THE MEETING.
IS THAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, DAVID? YES.
WE'LL MOVE THOSE TO THE END OF OUR AFTER OUR REGULAR MEETING.
WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL, UH, RECONVENE IN THE, UH, NEXT ROOM IN THE, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
I DON'T SEE, JUST FOR THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON
[COUNCIL MEETING]
CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 25TH, 2020 SIXTH.AND WE'RE MOVING INTO OUR REGULAR, UH, AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING.
AND, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
AS ALWAYS WOULD LIKE TO START THE MEETINGS WITH PLEDGE BOTH OF OUR FLAGS.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
OH, AND JUST AS A, UH, A NOTE, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT EVENING WITH ALL MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE.
[Proclamations / Presentations]
TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS TO A CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCEMENTS AND TWO B EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION.JUST A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NEXT TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST AT 6:00 PM WHEN THE CITY WILL HOLD THE PUB WILL HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE PROPOSED FY 2027 BUDGET AND TAX RATE.
RESIDENTS WILL HAVE A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH.
THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS AVAILABLE@ADDISONTX.GOV SLASH BUDGET.
NEXT ADDISON OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 7TH IN OBSERVANCE OF LABOR DAY.
THE CLUB WILL, WILL MAKE, WILL BE OPEN NORMAL HOURS ON LABOR DAY 5:30 AM TO 10:00 PM THE OUTDOOR POOL WILL BE OPEN FOR THE LAST DAY OF THE SEASON ON LABOR DAY FROM 12:00 PM TO 8:00 PM TRASH AND RECYCLING WILL BE COLLECTED ON THE REGULAR SCHEDULE.
I CANNOT PROMISE THE TEMPERATURES WILL CHANGE WITH LABOR DAY, BUT
WE HAVE OUR EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION AND EXCITING ONE TODAY I'M GONNA ASK PASSION TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE WHAT IS SURELY OUR NEWEST EMPLOYEE IN TOWN.
THANK YOU DAVID MAYOR AND COUNCIL PASSION HAYES, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER THIS EVENING.
I AM EXTREMELY PROUD TO INTRODUCE YOU TO JESSICA MARTINEZ, OUR NEW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS.
JESSICA GREW UP IN THE DALLAS AREA WHERE SPORTS PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS WERE A MAJOR PART OF HER CHILDHOOD AND HELPED SHAPE HER DESIRE TO BUILD A CAREER SERVING COMMUNITIES.
SHE GRADUATED FROM SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL AND WENT ON TO GRADUATE FROM CAMPBELL UNIVERSITY WITH A DEGREE IN SPORTS AND RECREATION MANAGEMENT, WHERE SHE ALSO PLAYED DIVISION ONE BASKETBALL AND SERVED AS TEAM CAPTAIN.
JESSICA IS MARRIED TO ALFREDO AND THEY WILL SOON CELEBRATE SEVEN YEARS OF MARRIAGE.
THEIR FAMILY ALSO INCLUDES THEIR BELOVED FOR A BABY SIMBA WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS.
JESSICA IS A LIFELONG BASKETBALL FAN AND SHARED THAT HER FAVORITE TEAM IS THE 1990 CHICAGO BULLS.
WE'RE WATCHING MICHAEL JORDAN PLAY MADE THAT ERA SO SPECIAL FOR HER.
JESSICA WAS DRAWN TO ADDISON BECAUSE OF OUR STRONG REPUTATION FOR QUALITY INNOVATION AND CREATING EXPERIENCES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SHE'S ESPECIALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN A COMMUNITY WHERE PARKS AND RECREATION ARE SUCH A VISIBLE AND VALUED PART OF THE TOWN'S IDENTITY.
ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, JESSICA IS VERY PROUD OF COMPLETING A 13 MILE ENDURANCE OBSTACLE COURSE IN SUPPORT OF THE WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT.
COMBINING THIS HALF MARATHON INVOLVING MUD, WATER AND CLIMBING PUSHED HER BOTH PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY WHILE SUPPORTING A CAUSE VERY NEAR TO HER.
WHEN ASKED WHAT THE ADDISON WAY MEANS TO JESSICA, SHE SHARED THAT IT MEANS BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE SERVE PEOPLE.
AND JESSICA WANTS PEOPLE TO KNOW THEY CAN COUNT ON HER TO LISTEN,
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FOLLOW THROUGH, AND LOOK FOR WAYS TO SERVE THE TEAM AND HER COMMUNITY WHILE BEING AT THE CENTER OF HER WORK.PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING JESSICA.
WE'RE REALLY, REALLY GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
[Public Comment]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT.THE CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THIS SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW.
THE UH, COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSS IN THE ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE, UH, ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT.
[Consent Agenda]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT.THE CONSENT INCLUDES ITEMS FOUR A AND FOUR B.
IS THERE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND THE SECOND WAS, UM, MARLON.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
WE HAVE JUST A LITTLE CHANGE ON THE ORDER TONIGHT.
[a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution authorizing the City Manager to execute a Chapter 380 Economic Development Grant Agreement with TRJ Services LLC d/b/a Cobalt Homes for the development of a 29-unit for-sale townhome community at 4850 Airport Parkway.]
ITEM SIX A UNDER INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT ONE NEXT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN, UH, ITEM FIVE.
SO SIX A, WE'LL CALL NOW, UH, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CHAPTER THREE 80 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT AGREEMENT WITH TRJ SERVICES, L-L-C-D-B-A, COBALT HOMES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 29 UNIT FOR SALE, TOWNHOME COMMUNITY AT 48 50 AIRPORT PARKWAY.
WAYNE, UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL, WAYNE EMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, ABOUT THE CHAPTER THREE 80 AGREEMENT WITH COBALT HOMES.
UM, SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROJECT OVERVIEW, UH, FOR THIS GRANT AGREEMENT, THIS IS LOCATED ON AIRPORT PARKWAY.
UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS FOR 29 4 CELL TOWNHOME, UH, TOWNHOMES, EACH WITH AN ESTIMATED SALE PRICE OF $635,000 AND AN ANTICIPATED INVESTMENT OF 14.7 MILLION.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, LAYOUT THAT YOU SEE HERE OF THOSE 29 HOMES.
UH, A LITTLE PARK SPACE DEDICATED THERE, BUT IF YOU TAKE, UH, SPECIAL CONSIDERATION, IF YOU LOOK, IT IS A VERY TIGHT SITE.
UM, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH, UH, OTHER ROOM ON THAT SITE FOR, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS WE'LL SEE, HAS PROPOSED SOME SIGNIFICANT SITE CONSTRAINTS.
UH, THIS IS A LOOK AT THE FACADE AND YOU'LL, I THINK YOU'LL GET A MUCH BETTER, UH, LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, LATER, UM, WHEN LESLIE SPEAKS.
UM, BUT WE'RE REALLY ONLY SPEAKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND JUST TO, UH, TO CLARIFY, THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS, UM, CONTINGENT ON THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THESE SLIDES ARE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER AND I'LL, I'LL COME BACK TO THIS IF WE NEED IT.
BUT, UH, IF WE LOOK AT THESE SITE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS, UM, REALLY THE TOWN REQUIRES PRIVATE PROPERTY TO DETAIN A RUNOFF FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT.
UM, SO WHEN YOU ADD THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THAT GREENFIELD SITE, UH, PUTTING IN THAT CONCRETE, PUTTING IN THOSE ROOFS, AND, UH, THAT CAUSES RUNOFF.
UM, AND AS WE SEE THAT, UM, ON THIS SITE, BECAUSE IT'S 1.57 TO, TO GET THOSE 29 TOWN HOMES AND TO MAKE THAT PROJECT PENCIL, THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM FOR THAT, UH, ONSITE DRAINAGE.
UM, AND SO JUST A VISUAL FOR YOU OF WHAT EXACTLY THAT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU SEE HERE THE PERVIOUS SURFACE.
UM, AND THEN ONCE YOU DEVELOP THAT TURNS THAT INTO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THAT WATER RUNS OFF, AND THEN IT ENDS UP IN THE CITY'S SYSTEM.
AND, UH, I HAVE BECKY IN THE BACK IF SHE CAN BACK ME UP IF, IF I SAY ANYTHING WRONG AND YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PROCESS.
UM, IN ADDITION, BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE, UH, THE TOWN, UH, ALSO REQUIRES, UM, ONSITE PARK DEDICATION.
UM, THAT SITE CANNOT, UH, NOT FIT THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.
SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A FEE IN LIEU OF THAT DEDICATION.
AND THEN ADDITION, WHEN YOU ADD THE ADDITIONAL,
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UH, PARK FEES, UH, ACROSS ALL 29 HOMES, THAT CREATES ANOTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINT THAT MAKES, UM, THE PROJECT FINANCIALLY INFEASIBLE.SO WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING AS RELIEF TO MAKE THIS SITE, UH, DEVELOPABLE FOR THOSE 29 UNITS IS A DRAINAGE VARIANCE.
UM, THIS WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN'S NORMAL DESIGN CRITERIA, BUT UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, UH, COWELL HOMES WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR TO NOT DETAIN ON SITE AND ALLOW THAT DRAINAGE TO GO INTO THE TOWN SYSTEM.
AND IN ADDITION, WE WOULD BE WAIVING THE PARK FEES, UM, ON BOTH THE, UH, THE FEE IN LIEU AND THE INDIVIDUAL PARK FEES.
SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THAT PARK FEE WAIVER IS A NON-CASH INCENTIVE.
UM, SO THERE IS NO, UH, DOLLARS COMING OUT, UH, OR CASH COMING OUT FROM THE TOWN TO THE DEVELOPER.
IT'S SIMPLY, UH, A REVENUE FOREGONE.
AND THEN WITHIN THAT DRAINAGE VARIANCE, UM, THAT IS A VARIANCE TO THE DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL.
UH, THE TOWN WOULD WOULD SEE 14.7 MILLION IN THAT PRIVATE INVESTMENT THAT TRANSLATES AT, UH, PROJECT COMPLETION TO ABOUT 17.4 MILLION IN TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE AND $112,000 IN ANNUAL REVENUE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CHAPTER THREE 80 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, THE DEVELOPER, UH, IS HERE.
I CAN ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND AS I MENTIONED, IF YOU GOT MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, BOTH BECKY AND, UH, LESLIE CAN HELP ANSWER AS WELL.
UH, DAN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, SIR.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, UH, CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.
UM, BUT IT MIGHT EVEN BE, AND I DON'T WANNA GET TOO TECHNICAL, BUT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO, TO SPEAK TO THE, THE BUILDER, THE BUILDER REPRESENTATIVE.
AS FAR AS, UM, MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS, WHAT IS THEIR DESIRED TIMELINE OF, OF WHEN THIS MIGHT START AND WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY PROJECT IT MIGHT GET COMPLETED? UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
JOSH NICHOLS WITH COBALT HOMES, UH, ON THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.
I THINK REALISTICALLY, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET THE CIVIL PLANS APPROVED, UH, ONCE WE CLOSE ON THE SITE, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL BE, UH, END OF SEPTEMBER, IT'LL PROBABLY BE ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH STAFF TO GET THE PERMITS APPROVED FOR THE CIVIL WORK.
SO IDEALLY, WE'D START THE SITE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION IN, UH, SIX MONTHS TIME, SEVEN MONTHS TIME.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE WE WOULD DO THE, THE SITE WORK, UH, THE ROADS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE PAVING.
UM, AND THAT'LL PROBABLY TAKE AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS, AT WHICH POINT WE'LL START HOME CONSTRUCTION, WE'LL PHASE HOME CONSTRUCTION ACROSS THE BUILDINGS.
BUT IN GENERAL, FOR A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU'RE DOING FIVE OR SIX TOWN HOMES OR SEVEN IN A CLIP, UH, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE CAN BE BETWEEN 10 AND 12 MONTHS AFTER, AFTER THAT INITIAL START IN ROUGHLY SIX MONTHS? YES.
SO, UM, I'M NOT, NOBODY'S GONNA HOLD YOU TO THIS, BUT WHEN, WHEN DO YOU ESTIMATE THAT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, UH, COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AT OR NEAR COMPLETION? SO SOME OF THAT DEPENDS ON THE MARKET.
UH, WE TRY TO PHASE THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR BUILDINGS BASED ON SALES PACE.
UH, SO ADDISON RESERVE, UM, WHICH AS AN EXAMPLE, HAS FOUR BUILDINGS.
UM, WE, WE STAGED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE HOMES TO ATTEMPT TO LINE UP WITH A PROJECTED SALES PACE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SALES ARE NOT HAPPENING, HAPPENING NEARLY AS FAST AS WE WOULD LIKE.
UH, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC FOR THE FUTURE, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
UM, BUT SO I'D SAY AS A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR UNDERWRITING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA SELL ABOUT TWO HOMES PER MONTH.
AND SO I'M GONNA DO SOME QUICK MATH, SO BEAR WITH ME, UH, FOR, FOR A SECOND HERE.
UM, SO IF WE ARE DOING TWO HOMES A MONTH, WE'LL TRY AND START AT THAT SAME PACE.
SO THE LAST BUILDING WILL PROBABLY START ABOUT 15 MONTHS AFTER THE FIRST BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT TOTAL TIMELINE START TO FINISH, UH, I'D SAY BEST CASE IT'LL BE THREE YEARS, MAYBE FOUR YEARS.
34 YEARS THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS WILL BE IN EACH BUILDING? RANDY, WOULD YOU MIND MOVING THAT MIC IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE HEARING YOU? SURE.
HOW MANY UNITS IN EACH BUILDING, IF THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THERE,
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AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE AT A TIME, HOW MANY WILL BE IN EACH BUILDING? UH, WAYNE, IS THERE A WAY I CAN PUT THE UP? SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE SITE POINT THAT WE HAVE AND, AND, AND WE'VE SPENT, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME OVER THE PAST YEAR WORKING WITH, UH, STAFF ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK.AND THE BEST WAY TO KIND OF LAY THIS OUT, SO THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS A RANGE OF BUILDING SIZES.
THE SMALLEST BUILDING WILL BE THREE HOMES.
UM, AND THEN THE LARGEST BUILDING WILL BE, UH, FIVE HOMES.
SO WHERE, WHERE DO YOU ANTICIPATE STARTING? UH, WE WOULD START ON THE FRONT DOOR AT, AT QUORUM, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR THE BEST, UH, MOST ATTRACTIVE MARKETING ENTRANCE.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT AT SOME POINT DURING THIS CONSTRUCTION, YOU GUYS WILL BE WORKING ON AIRPORT.
AND SO, UM, STARTING ON QUORUM, UH, ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE BEST MARKETING WINDOW, UH, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON, ON AIRPORT.
'CAUSE EVEN IF WE'LL HAVE ACCESS THROUGH AIRPORT, THAT'S NOT THE EASIEST THING TO SELL INTO.
UM, SO WORKING QUORUM KIND OF FRONT TO BACK WOULD BE THE PLAN.
AND HOW WILL THE, HOW WILL YOUR CONSTRUCTION EGRESS WORK HERE? WHERE ARE ALL THESE BIG TRUCKS? WHAT ROADS, WHAT, WHAT'S, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET TO THIS SITE? UM, WELL, THEY'LL USE, THEY'LL USE BOTH QUORUM AND AIRPORT, UH, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT WILL GO IN UPFRONT.
SO THE PAVING, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ACCESS WILL BE THERE WHILE WE'RE STARTING ON THE FIRST BUILDING, WE'LL HAVE THE, THE FULL U UH, FROM QUORUM UP THROUGH AIRPORT.
SO YOU WOULD BE UTILIZING QUORUM, I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULDN'T BE U UTILIZING QUORUM THROUGH THE CIRCLE AREA? UM, I, I DON'T DO THE LOGISTICS WITH THE, WITH THE, I MEAN THAT THIS IS GONNA MAKE A HUGE THING IN MY DECISION MAKING THE, THROUGH THAT QUIET AREA AND THESE BIG DUMP TRUCKS AND THINGS GOING THROUGH THAT, THAT AREA.
SO THE, THE EGRESS, THE WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET TO THIS PROJECT AND OUT MM-HMM
UM, THE MOST LOGICAL ACCESS RE I MEAN, EVEN, EVEN REGARDLESS OF THAT WOULD BE OFF OF AIRPORT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY ANY TRUCK WOULD GO THROUGH, UH, THE, THAT CIRCLE AREA.
AND, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
SO IN SAYING THAT, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE TOWN.
IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE TOWN TO DO ADDISON ROAD AFTER THESE ARE DONE TO KEEP THESE BIG TRUCKS FROM TEARING UP OUR BRAND NEW ADDISON ROAD ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, ADDISON ROAD, UH, UH, AIRPORT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT REDOING AIRPORT AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO WAIT ON AIRPORT UNTIL AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE TO SAVE THE WEAR AND TEAR.
AND WE'RE CERTAINLY KEEPING THAT IN MIND.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES WITH AIRPORT.
WE HAVE KELLER SPRINGS WRAPPING UP.
SO WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO SEQUENCE ALL THOSE UNDERSTANDING THIS PROJECT.
SO WE ARE KEEPING THAT IN MIND.
AND I KNEW THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF.
I, I GET THAT IT, THAT WASN'T REALLY DIRECTED AT YOU, BUT IT JUST WOULD SEEM BIG TRUCKS TEAR UP ROADS QUICKER THAN SUBARUS DO.
SO, UM, WHAT KIND OF, THIS PROJECT HAS COME BEFORE US SEVERAL TIMES.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU'VE PUBLICLY DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT? IT IS, YES.
UM, WHAT, SO WHEN WILL WE, BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START SEEING CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND FACADES AND TO WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE APPROVING.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE ZONING, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ZONING.
AND SO YOU'LL GET INTO MORE OF THAT.
WOULD THE ZONING HAVE TO DO WITH MASONRY AND THE, THE TYPE OF MATERIALS USED ON THESE PROJECTS? WE HAVE SOME RESTRICTION ON WHAT WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S THE NEXT, WE HAVE THE ZONING AT THE NEXT ITEM.
THAT IS THE LAST TIME THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT AT THE DOCK.
SO ARE, ARE WE GOING BACKWARDS,
I'M ASKING SHOULD WE HAVE DONE THE ZONING FIRST AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT? SO I'M, I'M HA I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER CONVERSA QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FACADES OF LAW.
THIS IS JUST A FRIENDLY DISCUSSION.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET, I DON'T WANNA APPROVE SOMETHING AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, 80% WOULD FACADE OUR, OUR NORMAL COURSE WOULD BE TO HAVE THE ZONING FIRST AND THEN THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT AT THE REQUEST OF COBALT.
THEY ASKED FOR THEIR OWN REASONS, UNDERSTANDABLY, TO SWAP THE ORDER AND HAVE THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT FIRST.
SO WE ALLOWED THAT ON THIS AGENDA, AND THAT'S WHY THE MAYOR CALLED THIS ITEM FIRST.
BUT THIS ITEM IS CONTINGENT ON THE ZONING.
SO IF YOU GET TO THE ZONING AND YOU SAY NO, THEN THIS ITEM IS A MOOT POINT.
YOU, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON OUR GREEN
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SPACE IN THIS PROJECT.TO ME, I VIEW PARK SPACE AS A MULTI-VARIABLE.
IT'S NOT JUST TO ME A GREEN SPACE.
AND WAYNE, THIS MAY BE FOR YOU HOW MUCH VALUE IS WHAT THIS VARIANCE ON THE GREEN SPACE FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO THAT'S THE VALUE OF, THAT'S GONNA BE 229,000, TWO 20.
SO TO MY POINT OF A PARK SPACE IS MORE THAN A GREEN SPACE TO ME.
AND I LOVE GREEN SPACES, BUT IT'S ALSO HAS TO DO WITH BEAUTY.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE COBALT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE, TO THE LENGTH OF DOING THIS EXTRA DRAINAGE FOR THEM AND WA WAIVING THAT FOR THEM TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF ART OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BEAUTIFY THE AREA WITHOUT HAVING A BIG GREEN SPACE.
IF THEY, IF THEY COULD AGREE TO, TO WORK WITH US ON SOME ART OR SOMETHING FOR THAT COMMUNITY IN THERE.
I, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF BLANK BUILDINGS GOING UP AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY NOT GET ANYTHING OUT OF THAT.
SO, AND, AND JOSH MAYBE YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS, THERE IS A DEDICATED GREEN SPACE THERE.
IT'S JUST NOT, UM, TO THE TOWN'S REGULAR, UH, PARK DEDICATION STANDARDS.
SO MAYBE THEY COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT GREEN SPACE THAT THEY HAVE THAT THAT WOULD THE, THE COMMUNITY WOULD ENJOY.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW UNTIL WE GET TO THE, THE, THE MATERIALS AND THINGS.
SO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMING, UM, THAT WE, WE JUST EXPERIENCED AND HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON ON BELTWAY, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE NOW WORKING WITH OUR TOWN STAFF THAT WE MAY NOT SEE ANY OF THE DELAYS HEADING INTO THIS PROJECT? DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'VE COMMUNICATED EVERYTHING WE NEED TO BE PARTNERS IN YOUR NEXT ENDEAVOR WITH US? OH, YES.
UM, I THINK WITH, UH, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN, BUT, UM, THIS IS, THIS WILL BE OUR SECOND PROJECT IN ADDISON.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, STAFF AND OUR TEAM HAVE DEVELOPED A, A GOOD RAPPORT AND I THINK WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUE THAT AS WE MOVE INTO THIS ONE.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT ON YOUR THREE 80 GRANT.
IT'S CONTINUED INTEREST IN ADDISON.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE NEED SOME FEE SIMPLE PRODUCT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS ASKING FOR THAT.
SO I'LL SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION.
SO ON THE, UH, THE PARK WAIVER FEE, UM, WHY DOESN'T THAT COME OUT OF, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDING? WELL, IT'S, IT'S A NON-CASH.
I KNOW IT GOES FROM ONE POT TO THE OTHER POT, BUT IT'S THE WAY THAT WE FUND TO KEEP THINGS CLEAR AND IT'S, IT'S USING THE MONEY IS A BETTER, BETTER MONEY TRAIL, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALSO, UM, REIMBURSING, UH, THAT FUND.
SO IT'S, IT'S PUTTING THE MONEY WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT SHOULD BE GOING VERSUS JUST NOT RECEIVING THE MONEY.
DAVID, COULD YOU TALK TO TALK ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, THAT WOULD, THAT'S, THAT WOULD NOT BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
ULTIMATELY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND IS OFF THE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S MONEY THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO JUST SEND THE MONEY BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IT IS A THREE 80 GRANT STRUCTURE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR A FORM OF IT.
AND I, THAT'S WHAT THREW ME OFF.
YEAH, I MEAN, IF COUNSEL WANTED TO MAKE THAT TRANSFER, WE COULD.
I, I DON'T SEE THE UTILITY OF IT, BUT IF YOU, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO DO, WE COULD, I'M NOT STUCK ON IT.
ANYTHING ELSE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE.
MR. MARLON, WAS THAT DAN? DAN OR CHRIS? DAN.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[a. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to rezone a 1.57-acre property, located at 4850 Airport Parkway, from Mixed-Use Center (M-4) to Mixed-Use Suburban Corridor (M-2) zoning district, for a 29-unit, fee-simple townhouse development. Case 1941-Z/4850 Airport Parkway Rezoning]
BACK TO, UH, ITEM FIVE A PUBLIC HEARINGS.UH, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE A 1.5 SECOND SEVEN ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 48 50 AIRPORT PARKWAY FROM MIXED USE CENTER M FOUR TO MIXED USE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR M TWO ZONING DISTRICT FOR A 29 UNIT FEE.
SIMPLE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT CASE, 1941 DASH Z SLASH 48 50 AIRPORT PARKWAY REZONING, LESLIE.
AND I'M DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
UM, AS WE JUST SAW IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, UM, THIS REQUEST IS, UH, LOCATED AT THE PROPERTY AT AIRPORT AND QUORUM, UM,
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IN NORTH, UM, OF THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT.AND THIS REQUEST IS, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, M FOUR, WHICH IS A BASE DISTRICT AND IT'S PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO, UM, OUR M TWO DISTRICT, WHICH IS ANOTHER BASE DISTRICT.
AND I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO PRIOR TO 1998, IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL ONE.
UM, IT THEN IN THE NINE LATE NINETIES WENT THROUGH THE REZONING AS A PART OF THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT.
SO IT WAS ZONED WITHIN THAT, UM, URBAN CENTER, WHICH WAS THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT, WHICH THEN VIA THE UDC, GOT A NEW NAME NOW CALLED THE, UM, M FOUR MIXED USE CENTER DISTRICT.
UM, THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO, UM, IN THEORY DOWN ZONE IN TERMS OF INTENSITY FROM THE M FOUR TO THE M TWO TO ALLOW, UM, FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO LOOKING AT THE TOWNS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ADVANCED ADDISON 2050, UM, THIS SITE IS IDENTIFIED IN THE URBAN VILLAGE PLACE TYPE AND IT'S ALSO IDENTIFIED AS DEVELOP REDEVELOPED IN THE SPECTRUM OF CHANGE.
UM, ITS STAFF'S OPINION, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH OF THESE.
THE URBAN VILLAGE, UM, GENERALLY FOCUSES ON PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE.
UM, SITE DESIGN, BRINGING THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET, REDUCING THE VISIBILITY OF PARKING AND SO, SO FORTH.
UM, REALLY CONTINUING THAT, UM, URBAN FEEL FROM THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT, UM, TO ITS EDGE AT THE NORTH.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WITH THE DEVELOP REDEVELOP, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT, UM, TO STAFFON, JUST NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED.
UM, AND THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY, UH, DEVELOP IT INTO A, A NEW USE FOR FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES.
LOOKING AT THE, UM, ANOTHER LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIAL STUDY AREA, WHICH DOES APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED FOR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT SPECIAL AREA STUDY.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT HERE, UM, IDENTIFIED IN RED ON THE MAP.
UM, THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES ARE A REVIEW OF VARIOUS LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
SO, UM, I'LL GO THROUGH THEM RATHER QUICKLY, BUT, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO ELABORATE.
UH, STARTING WITH OUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED AIRPORT PARKWAY WILL BE RECONSTRUCTED UNDER OUR, UM, RE REQUIRED STANDARDS FOR THAT ROADWAY STRUCTURE, ROADWAY SECTION AND CORRUM DRIVE WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE ENHANCED FOR THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR BY THE DEVELOPER.
LOOKING AT THE PARKS RECREATION OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, THIS AREA WAS NOT IDENTIFIED, UH, TO HAVE A PARK OR BE A PART OF A PARK.
UM, THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT, UM, HAS MANY, UM, VARIATIONS OF, OF TYPES OF PARKS WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT SERVE THIS SITE FOR THE TRAILS PLAN.
UM, THE, THERE IS, UH, IDENTIFICATION OF AIRPORT PARKWAY TO HAVE A SHARED USE PATH ALONG THAT, UM, THE REZONING, UH, WILL NOT IMPACT ANY OF THESE PLANS FOR THE MASTER TRAILS PLAN.
AND THEN LOOKING AT QUORUM DRIVE, THERE IS A PROPOSAL IN THE MASTER TRAILS PLAN, UH, TO HAVE A, THE WIDE SIDEWALK AND THE BIKE BOULEVARD ON, ON QUORUM.
ONCE AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, LOOKING AT LAND USE COMPATIBILITY FOR ADJACENT USES, THERE'S A VARIETY OF USES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE TOWN HOME AND CONDOS TO THE EAST.
UM, A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH AND IMMEDIATELY SOUTH, UH, SMALL OFFICE BUILDING.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UM, ADDISON CIRCLE FURTHER, FURTHER SOUTH WITH A VARIETY OF, UH, MIXED USE MULTIFAMILY, UM, AND, UH, RECREATION OR PARK OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN LOOKING AT COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT ZONING.
UM, THE PROPERTY, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS CURRENTLY ZONED M FOUR, WHICH IS THE ADDISON CIRCLE ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, IT IS SURROUNDED ON MANY SIDES BY COMMERCIAL.
AND THIS PRO, UM, PROPOSAL WOULD REZONE IT TO M TWO.
UH, WHILE IT IS, UM, LESS INTENSE THAN THE M FOUR, THIS IS ON THE FAR NORTH SIDE OF THE, UM, ADDISON CIRCLE ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, SO IT WOULD INHERENTLY BE LESS INTENSE THAN AT ITS CORE.
UM, AND THERE ARE IS, UH, EXISTING TOWN HOMES TO THE EAST, IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THIS.
SO, WHY THIS PROPERTY NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS, AS I MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED M FOUR, WHICH REALLY ITS PURPOSE IS TO SUPPORT A TRANSIT ORIENTED, UM, HIGH, OR EXCUSE ME, DENSE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, A VARIETY OF COMPATIBLE USES.
HOWEVER, TOWNHOMES ARE NOT A PERMITTED USE WITHIN M FOUR BY RIGHT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A SNIPPET FROM THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, IN THE M TWO DISTRICT.
UM, ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, WHICH ARE TOWN HOMES BY DEFINITION, ARE
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PERMITTED BY.UM, THIS DOES PROVIDE A SMALL TO MEDIUM SCALE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, OR ALLOW, EXCUSE ME, UM, PROMOTES A LOT OF SUSTAINABLE INFILL, WHICH WE'VE SEEN THE APPLICANT DO IN OTHER AREAS IN ADDISON, UM, WHILE STILL PROVIDING THAT, UM, SITE DESIGN THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE URBAN VILLAGE PLACE TYPE.
UH, STAFF DID NOTICE ALL RECIPIENTS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, NOTABLY THERE WERE SEVERAL DUE TO THE CONDOS NEXT DOOR.
UM, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES TO THAT NOTICE.
UM, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID UNANIMOUSLY APPROVE THIS REQUEST, SEVEN TO ZERO.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS SEPTEMBER OF 2025.
UM, SO WITH THAT STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, LESLIE, IS THIS, DO WE KNOW IF THIS PROPERTY HAS EVER BEEN DEVELOPED? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
I, IT WAS, IT WAS, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY IDENTIFIED.
IT WAS A PART OF, AT A TIME, THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT OF THE FUTURE, EXPANSION OF ADDISON CIRCLE, AND IT NEVER GOT DEVELOPED FOR WHATEVER REASON, I BELIEVE IT WAS KIND, IT WAS THAT IT'S KIND OF A, UM, UM, I'M GONNA SAY AN ODD REMNANT LEFTOVER, UH, WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP GIVEN ITS SIZE AND IT'S, UM, ADJACENCIES TO THE NORTH.
YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE, UM, WAITING, WAITING FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR JOSH IF I COULD.
UM, JOSH, I WAS, I SAW, UH, IN THE THREE 80 AGREEMENT, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT OWNER OCCUPANCY COVENANTS SET FORTH IN THE AGREEMENT.
BASICALLY, IT WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUY IN, YOU NEED TO DO SO AS AN OWNER, NOT, NOT WITH A PLAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA LEASE IT OUT.
UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, IS HAVE YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, UM, THE COVENANTS YOU'RE GONNA HAND OUT, HAND DOWN TO THE HOA IN THAT SAME REGARD AS FAR AS ANY, UM, RESTRICTIONS ON, ON, UM, RENTALS AND BASICALLY SAYING HOW MANY, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OWNERSHIP? THERE'S, THE REASON I ASK IS, IS, UM, I'M ON OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR OUR HOA AND I'M NETWORKED WITH A LOT OF OTHER, UM, BOARD PRESIDENTS IN THE SAME SITUATION.
AND, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH, UM, MUCH OLDER COVENANTS.
AND SO WE ARE HAVING TO GO TO OUR OWNERS TO, TO, AND, AND GET A COVENANTS, UM, VOTE, WHICH IS QUITE DIFFICULT.
I THINK IT'S 68% OF THE, OF THE, UH, OWNERS, UM, NOT THOSE SHOWING UP EVERYBODY TO, TO APPROVE, UH, THIS KIND OF AMENDMENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY HIGH HURDLE.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS, IS DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU DO WITH YOUR HOA COVENANTS THAT YOU HAND DOWN IN REGARDS TO, TO THAT, LIKE FUTURE PROOFING? UM, THAT THIS WOULD BE AN OWNERSHIP PROPERTY AND IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ONLY ALLOW SO MANY, SO MANY LEASED UNITS.
W WE, WELL, FIRST OFF, WE WE'RE, WE OBVIOUSLY, UM, HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHAT'S IN THE, UH, THREE 80 AGREEMENT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT OF COURSE, THAT WE WILL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE ABIDE BY.
UM, WE, WE, WE DON'T, UH, WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THE HOA DOCUMENTS FOR THIS YET.
UH, AND TYPICALLY WE DON'T ESTABLISH, UM, PERCENTAGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE DOCUMENTS.
YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR APPROACH, I MEAN, COBALT HOMES, UH, WE DON'T BUILD MULTIFAMILY.
WE, WE ONLY BUILD, UH, FOUR, WE, WE ONLY BUILD FOR SALE PRODUCT, RIGHT? UM, AND SO THOSE ARE SOLD, UH, TO INDIVIDUALS.
UM, AND THE REALITY IS, WHEN I, WHEN WE, WHEN WE ACTUALLY LOOK BACK AT OUR DEVELOPMENTS, W WE ALWAYS BUILD TO A, UM, FINISH OUT LEVEL THAT IS HIGHER THAN, UH, PRODUCTION BUILDERS ARE AT.
SO THE PRICE POINTS, UH, ALONE HAVE REALLY LIMITED INVESTORS COMING IN.
UM, I CAN'T SAY THERE ARE NO INVESTORS, BUT FROM WHAT WE'VE, FROM WHEN WE'VE COME BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR DEVELOPMENTS, THE NUMBER OF INVESTORS WE HAVE ARE EXCEPTIONALLY LOW.
UM, I THINK PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST, BUY A HOME TO RENT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE AT THE FINISH OUT LEVEL THAT WE TYPICALLY BILL TO.
AND, AND I DID, I DO I RECALL THIS CORRECTLY THAT, UM, YOU ESTIMATE MAYBE YOUR, YOUR SALES PRICE TO BE 6 35, 6 50, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR, FOR THESE, UM, YES.
AND I THINK IF I WAS TO UPDATE THAT NUMBER TODAY BASED ON COST INCREASES, I'M, I'M HOPING IT'S GONNA BE MORE.
UH, I THINK WE NEED IT TO BE MORE IN ORDER TO MAKE EVERYTHING OKAY.
WELL, AND, AND THE OTHER THING I'M GONNA ADD IS I'M, I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR PRODUCT.
SO I'M LOOKING AT ADDISON RESERVE.
AND, AND SO THERE'S A LEVEL OF TRUST THAT I HAVE WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THIS, WHERE I FELT, I, I TRUST, I TRUST THEM, I TRUST THEIR WORK.
I DON'T NEED TO PROBE INTO THESE VARIOUS DETAILS LIKE I MIGHT WITH AN UNKNOWN.
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YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.SO THERE WAS, UH, ON SLIDE 10, IT REFERENCES THE BUFFER WITH BIKE BOULEVARD ENVISIONED FOR QUORUM.
CAN YOU DEFINE THAT, WHAT IT MEANS BY ENVISIONED A BIKE BOULEVARD? SO THAT IS WHAT IS IDENTIFIED IN THE MASTER TRAILS PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT IMAGE THERE, UM, THAT IS, UH, A SHERO ON THE ROAD.
SO WE'RE NOT REMOVING A VEHICULAR LANE TO MAKE WAY FOR THIS.
UH, CHRIS, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, SO ON AIRPORT PARKWAY, WHERE IS THE SIDEWALK GONNA GO? ON THE NORTH OR SOUTH SIDE OF AIRPORT PARKWAY? SO THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK ADJACENT.
SO WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS CONCERNED, THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK ON BOTH PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS ON AIRPORT PARKWAY.
UM, SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND ON THE SIDE OF QUORUM AND IN RELATION TO AIRPORT PARKWAY, THERE'S ONE YEAH, THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON BOTH.
SO IT IS OUR REQUIREMENT FOR THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WE BUILD.
IT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
I JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH BECKY BEFORE I SAID THAT.
YEAH, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.
SO THE, IS THE REQUIREMENT A, A 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, LEMME HAVE BECKY COME UP HERE.
I DON'T RECALL THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT ON AIRPORT PARKWAY.
I KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT, WHAT IS ON QUORUM TODAY.
IT WILL BE A ALMOST A REPLICA EXTENSION NORTH, ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER.
THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT ON CORRUM.
SO AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN OF AIRPORT PARKWAY, WE ARE REQUIRING, AS A PART OF THE DESIGN THAT WE PUT SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROADWAY.
IS THAT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION? I THINK YOU MISSED IT.
THE, UH, CHRIS ASKED A SECOND QUESTION OF OKAY.
IS IT 10 FOOT OR IS IT EIGHT? WHAT IS THE UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MEASUREMENT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT'S AT MINIMUM FIVE FEET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY.
BUT WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING WE NEED.
RIGHT, BECAUSE WHERE DID WE END UP PUTTING THE BUS STOP? IS IT, IS IT AT ADDISON ROAD AND AIRPORT PARKWAY OR IS IT FURTHER SOUTH? UM, I, I BELIEVE IT'S ON QUORUM.
IT'S, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS A BUS STOP ON AIRPORT PARKWAY.
IT FOR THE EXTENT ADDISON ROAD, THIS PROPERTY, ADDISON TURN, ADDISON ROAD.
AND THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING WE NEED FROM THIS PROPERTY TO DO WHAT WE NEED FOR THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS FOR THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT TAKING DOWN THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH? WELL, ALSO, JUST, JUST TO QUICKLY ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, 'CAUSE I'VE, HAVING GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, YOU GUYS ACQUIRED, UH, THE LAND FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THE CURRENT OWNER OF THIS SITE, UH, AS RELATED TO THE AIRPORT PARKWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THERE'S A SECTION OF LAND THAT, THAT YOU GUYS ACQUIRED? I, IT WAS WELL BEFORE WE WERE INVOLVED.
UM, AND THEN, I'M SORRY, THE NEXT, THE, YOUR SECOND QUESTION YEAH, I, IT, I, I NOTICED THAT THE SINGLE STORY BUILDING TO THE SOUTH IS AVAILABLE AND IT'D BE GREAT TO FILL THAT WHOLE SITE UP WITH TOWN HOMES.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT TAKING THAT DOWN TOO? WE DID.
UH, THE FIRST OFFER WE MADE, UH, WAS FOR BOTH, UH, PROPERTIES AND, UM, THE, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE SELLER FOUND A HIGHER VALUE FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS GOING TO USE THAT BUILDING.
UH, BUT THAT, THAT WAS OUR FIRST ATTEMPT.
YES, I AGREE, UM, WITH SEEING THE TRACK RECORD AS MARLIN MENTIONED ON THE PRODUCT FOR FROM COBALT.
SO THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF COMFORT.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE INVESTING FURTHER INVESTING IN ADDISON.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING, A ZONING CHANGE SIMPLY YES.
IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR NOTHING BEYOND THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN MOU OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES UP ABOUT, UM, DESIGN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE O THE OTHER THING THAT WAS CONSIDERED OBVIOUSLY PRIOR TO THIS WAS THE THREE 80 AGREEMENT.
EVERY, SO TO REZONE, AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE MM-HMM
WAS TO ALLOW AN EASIER DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OR A SMOOTHER DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, AND SO BY REZONING TO THE M TWO, THIS WOULD ALLOW, UM, COBALT HOMES TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THROUGH, GENERALLY THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
SO THEY WOULD, IF REZONED TO M TWO, THEY WOULD THEN IT WOULD ALLOW TOWN HOMES TO BE PERMITTED BY.
AND THEY WOULD GO THROUGH, UH, WHAT IS CALLED A SITE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROCESS REVIEW, SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UM, AND GET APPROVAL.
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INCLUDES A SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, FACADE PLAN, UM, PRELIMINARY UTILITIES AND DRAINAGE FLOOR PLANTS AND SO FORTH.AS LONG AS THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, THAT COULD BE APPROVED, THAT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO REAFFIRM THAT.
UM, AND THERE THAT IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO IT WOULD COME BACK, UH, BEFORE THE PUBLIC, BUT IT WOULD NOT COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
IT WOULD STOP AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UM, CIVIL, UH, PERMIT TO RE REVIEW ALL OF THE CIVIL DOCUMENTS, DRAINAGE AND SO FORTH, UM, AND GET THAT ISSUED.
AND THEN BUILDING PERMITS WOULD BE CONCURRENTLY WITH THAT.
SO THE STEP AFTER P AND Z IS STILL ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF LEVEL DOES NOT GO BACK TO P AND Z AND THAT CORRECT.
I UNDERSTAND BY AT, AT CHANGING IT TO THIS ZONING.
SO WHEN WILL WE GET INTO THE PLANNING AND THE FACADE AND, AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PERMIT TO COME IN? SO WHAT IS PERMITTED UNDER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE M TWO DISTRICT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
UM, THAT REVIEW PROCESS IS EVALUATED DURING THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, SO THAT REVIEW WOULD BE, UM, DONE BY STAFF AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO WE'RE, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BRING US PLANS TO WHERE WE CAN SEE THE PLANS AND SAY YES OR NO TO, TO THOSE CORRECT.
THAT IT DOES NOT, THAT PORTION OF THE REVIEW DOES NOT COME BACK BEFORE COUN CITY COUNCIL.
SO I AM TO RELY ON WHAT OUR, WHAT, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR HERE? UH, OUR PROCEDURES AS TO WHAT YOU WILL APPROVE FOR THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF MASONRY ON THE OUTSIDE, THE, THAT TYPE THING.
UM, THERE ARE AND WHAT IS THAT? SO, UM, THE TOWN HAS A VARIETY OF LIMITATIONS DUE TO STATE LAW ON REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO IF A BUILDING MATERIAL IS A PERMITTED BUILDING MATERIAL UNDER THE, UM, INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, THEN IT COULD BE DEEMED AN ACCEPTABLE BUILDING MATERIAL.
WE DO HAVE A LIST OF THOSE THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE BUILDING CODE.
UH, AS FAR AS, UH, WE DO HAVE ALSO BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE ARTICULATION STANDARDS, EXCUSE ME.
IT DOES REQUIRE BOTH, UM, VERTICAL AS WELL AS, UM, HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE JUST LIKE A FLAT BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PORCH OR AN AWNING OR A STOOP OR, UM, MAYBE BAY WINDOWS OR, OR A PATIO.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU, AND UM, I KNOW THE APPLICANT WILL SPEAK TO THIS, THEIR PRO, THEIR INITIAL PROPOSALS IS, UH, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, UH, MASONRY USED.
UM, I'M SURE HE COULD SHARE THE NUMBER IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER? DO YOU HAVE A BALLPARK
UM, I KNOW WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH LESLIE AND STAFF, UM, THE, THIS PROJECT IS THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE, UH, OF, OF THE ASEN CIRCLE.
AND THE FACADES OF ALL THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ALL WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE OF COLOR WITH, WITH BRICK.
UM, OUR DESIRE WITH ALL OF OUR PROJECTS IS TO FIT IN WITH WHERE WE'RE DEVELOPING.
UM, AND SO WHEN WE WERE VIDING THE SITE, THAT WAS OUR, I WAS ALWA ALWAYS OUR INTENT TO MATCH THAT DESIGN STANDARD AND USE, USE, UM, PRIMARILY MASONRY ON THE EXTERIOR.
UH, ONE, I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER.
IT MAKES FOR A BETTER, IT MAKES FOR A BETTER QUALITY PRODUCT.
IT HELPS FOR, IT'S THE REASON FOR MY QUESTIONS.
IT HELPS FOR WARRANTY REPAIRS.
UM, THE TIMES WHEN WE DON'T USE MASONRY ARE USUALLY BECAUSE OF, UH, STRUCTURAL REASONS.
IF IT'S A, UM, OVERHANG OR THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE, WHERE IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT MATERIAL.
UM, BUT THE INTENT HERE IS VERY MUCH TO, TO BE USED PREDOMINANTLY MASONRY.
I, I'VE JUST NEVER SEEN ANOTHER PROJECT COME THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A SITE TO LOOK AT.
AND, AND TO SAY THIS, WE'VE HAD OTHER PROJECTS THAT'S COME THAT HAVE TRIED TO LOWER THE AMOUNT OF MASONRY, BUT I, YEAH.
SO I, I'LL LEAVE THAT AT THAT.
I WANT THIS TO BE A QUALITY PROJECT.
I WANT THESE, UH, UH, SIMPLE FEE HOMES COMING IN FEE SIMPLE HOMES.
BUT I, I, I DON'T WANT A SECONDARY PROJECT.
AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT COBALT DOES THAT.
SO I, I AM, I'M, I'M IN MARLIN'S BOAT.
IF IT WAS ANOTHER BUILDER, I MAY BE BANGING, BANGING MY SHOE A LITTLE HARDER THAN
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I AM NOW.CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE STREET VIEW THAT YOU HAD PLEASE? WHERE YOU HAD THE SHERO OH, UNDERSTOOD.
NOW THAT'S A TWO-LANE ROAD NOW AND THERE BASICALLY A FOUR-LANE ROAD, TWO IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
IS YOUR RENDERING THERE SHOWING ALSO TWO LANES, BUT JUST A SHARE ROAD TO WHERE A CAR CAN DRIVE IN THE SAME LANE AS THE BICYCLE? UM, SO THE, THE, IN THE INTENT OF THIS IMAGERY IS, UM, CONCEPTUAL OR ILLUSTRATIVE TO WHAT THE INTENT IS.
SO IN THIS IMAGE, IT IS DEPICTING ONE LANE BEING SHARED.
SO IN IN THEORY IT WOULD BE ONE LANE SHARED AND ONE LANE FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
WE, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE, THERE'S JUST NO LANE DIVIDER IN THAT PICTURE TO INDICATE THAT THAT'S TWO LANES IT IN.
THERE, IT GIVES, GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT'S ONE WIDE LANE WITH A OH YEAH.
NO, IT WAS, IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVERY DIFFERENT ROADWAY.
IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL TO SAY, THIS IS THE, THIS IS WHAT A BIKE BOULEVARD IS.
SO YOU DIDN'T MAKE THIS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS? NO, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST, THIS COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE MASTER TRAILS THING.
I DO NOT WANT TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC LANES HERE.
AND I'LL ALSO ADD, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS MORE OF A, A COMPLIANCE OR COMPATIBILITY TO SHOW THAT WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWN IS, UM, HAS THE FACILITIES TO, I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER, OR EXCUSE ME, COUNCIL MEMBER D FRANCISCO POINTED OUT THAT WE WANNA ENSURE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BUILD THE FACILITIES WE WANT AND THAT WE'RE ENSURING THAT DEVELOPERS COMPLYING WITH THAT.
AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE ENOUGH PARKING IN THIS FACILITY OTHER THAN IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES, BUT I'M ASSUMING THERE'S SOME OTHER GROUND PARKING IN THERE.
SO THE DEVELOPER IS, UM, PER THE CODE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO ENCLOSED GARAGE SPACES.
AND OUR, AND ALSO THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE 5% OF VISITOR PARKING AS WELL, WHICH THEY ARE PROVIDING.
THAT'S SURFACE UNCOVERED PARKING SPACES.
THIS IS NOT GONNA BE GATED OR FENCED OR ANYTHING? IT NO.
IS ONE GONNA HAVE IS ACCESSIBLE TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? IT IS, YES.
QUICK ONE FOR THE COUNCIL AND FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME, IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE THREE 80 AGREEMENT ON SLIDE FOUR, IT SHOWS THE VISUALS OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, JOSH.
AND IT LOOKS TO ME AT LEAST MODESTLY 85% BRICK.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A TRUE RENDERING OR IF IT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THESE THINGS.
IT WAS JUST UP THERE FOR A PLACE SAVER.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT THE, THE MASONRY IS, I'M GOOD.
I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON RECORD.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS BASING MY JUDGMENT OFF OF.
SO I'M ASSUMING TAKING JOSH AT FACE VALUE, THAT'S, THAT'S THREE AGREEMENT WHICH THEN LEADS TO THIS REZONING.
AND SO WITH THIS, JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT WITH BY REZONING TO AN M TWO, IT MAKES, UM, THE REMAINDER OF THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE PREDICTABLE AND STREAMLINED FOR THE DEVELOPER AND HOPEFULLY GETS THEM, YOU KNOW, SHOVEL IN THE GROUND MUCH MORE QUICKLY THAN HAVING TO WAIT FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS AND FOLLOW THE PUBLIC MEETING SCHEDULE.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT, DAN.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU LESLIE.
ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE A SECOND AND THEN MARLON FOR THE SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THIS ITEM IS APPROVED.
[b. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving a construction agreement with Sunbelt Pools, Inc. for the Addison Circle Park Water Gardens Lower Pool Repair Project in an amount not to exceed $145,676.00; authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement; and providing an effective date.]
ON TO ITEM SIX B.PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT WITH SUNBELT POOLS INC.
FOR THE ADDISON CIRCLE PARK WATER GARDENS LOWER POOL REPAIR PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $145,676.
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE, THE AGREEMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
BILL HAWLEY, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES.
AND ON AN INTERIM BASIS, UM, I'M HELPING THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OUT ON SOME PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT WITH THE PARKS PROJECT FOR YOU.
AND THIS PARK'S PROJECT HAS THE LONGEST NAME IN HISTORY.
THE MAYOR JUST SAID IT, SO I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT IT.
BUT TO ORIENT YOU TO THE PROJECT, WE'RE IN ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.
UH, THERE'S THE WATER GARDENS AND THE EASTERN PART OF THE PARK, UH, QUORUM IS IMMEDIATELY TO YOUR EAST.
THE LARGE OPEN PART OF THE PARK IS TO THE WEST, THE PAVILION AND THE ART PIECE WOULD BE TWO YEAR NORTH.
SO, UH, THAT WAS BUILT IN 2003.
AND IT CONSISTS OF THREE PARTS, WHICH BECOME A LITTLE BIT IMPORTANT IN A MOMENT WHEN WE DISCUSS, WE'RE ONLY WORKING ON PART OF IT, BUT THERE'S A SPLASH PAD.
THERE'S AN AREA CALLED DISCOVER, UH, AND THERE'S THE UPPER FOUNTAIN, THE GROVES FOUNTAIN.
THERE'S UPPER POOLS AND LOWER POOLS.
AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.
AND IN THE FY 26 BUDGET COUNCIL
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APPROVED $292,675 TO DO REPAIR WORK ON THE GROVES FOUNTAIN PORTION OF THE WATER GARDENS.SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE, THE AERIAL SHOT, THE, THE LARGER BLUE SQUARE IS THE SPLASH PADS, AND THE FIRST PICTURE IS THE SPLASH PADS.
AND THE SMALLER RECTANGLE IN BLUE IS THE SCUFFLE, WHICH IS THE, THE LAST PICTURE THAT YOU SEE ON THAT SLIDE.
THOSE HAVE RECEIVED CARE AND MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO ANY WORK IN THOSE AREAS.
THE GROSS FOUNTAIN, AGAIN, CONSISTS OF THREE SETS OF UPPER POOLS.
AND THOSE ARE INDICATED BY THE BLUE BOXES AND THE DIAGRAM, THOSE ARE APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET LONG, AND EACH SEGMENT IS ABOUT 30 FEET LONG.
SO THE FIRST ONE'S ABOUT 90 FEET, THE SECOND ONE'S 60, AND THE FIRST 30, UM, THE MIDDLE PICTURE THAT YOU SEE, THESE, THESE POOLS HAVE, UH, ABOUT FOUR INCH TILES ON THE BOTTOMS AND THE WALLS.
AND IS, IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY IN THE CENTER PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF A DIFFERENT COLORED AREA, UH, WHERE THE WATER IS HITTING IN THAT FIRST POOL.
THAT'S WHERE THE TILES HAVE HAVE BROKEN OFF AND COME AWAY.
AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY ALONG THE WALL UNDERNEATH THE FOUNTAIN PORTION, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A NUMBER OF TILES MISSING THERE AS WELL.
THIS PART IS LARGELY COSMETIC.
UH, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE LOWER POOL, THERE'S SOME STRUCTURAL CONCERNS THAT, THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS DOWN THERE.
BUT ON THE UPPER POOLS, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT IS IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE BEAUTIFUL TREES OF THE GROVE THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED ALONG THESE FOUNTAINS, AND AS THEY HAVE MATURED OVER THE LAST 20, 25 YEARS, UM, THE, THE TREES HAVE BECOME LARGER.
SO THE ROOTS HAVE BECOME LARGER.
AND THE IMPORTANT ROOTS OF A TREE ESSENTIALLY ARE THE SAME SHAPE AS THE DRIP LINE.
SO WHERE YOU SEE THE TREES STOP, THE IMPORTANT ROOTS ARE FROM THAT POINT INWARD.
IT MAY HAVE OTHER ROOTS THAT GO FURTHER, BUT YOU COULD, YOU COULD MANAGE THOSE IN A WAY THAT ISN'T GONNA HARM THE TREE.
SO WHEN STAFF, UM, EVALUATED THIS PROJECT AND CAME UP WITH THE PRICING, THEY KNEW THERE WOULD BE SOME ROOT WORK REMEDIATION THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS UNDERESTIMATED.
ONCE WE HAD CONTRACTORS COME OUT AND PROVIDE FIRM BIDS ON THIS WORK, NO CONTRACTORS WOULD WARRANTY THEIR WORK ON THE UPPER POOLS UNLESS THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT ROOT BARRIERS INSTALLED.
AND WHILE THE PROJECT HAD SOME FUNDING FOR ROOT BARRIERS, IT DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE $120,000 WORTH OF ROOT BARRIERS THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO WARRANTY THE WORK ON THE UPPER POOLS.
SO STAFF LEARNED THAT IN THE SPRING ABOUT THE TIME WE HAD A NUMBER OF, OF STAFF CHANGES.
SO THIS PROJECT IS, IS KIND OF SAT, UH, AND WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU WITH AN, WITH AN UPDATE AND A PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS A PORTION OF THE ISSUES OUT THERE WITH A PORTION OF THE FUNDING, WITH THE INTENT THEN OF STUDYING FURTHER WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE UPPER POOLS, INFORMING COUNSEL ABOUT THAT AND COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A, WITH A SECOND PORTION OF THE PROJECT AND GIVING YOU SOME OPTIONS.
UH, BUT WE DID WANT TO DO SOME THINGS WITH THIS PROJECT AS THE FISCAL YEAR IS ENDING WITH THOSE FUNDS, BUT NOT COMMIT TO WORK ON THE UPPER POOLS THAT DIDN'T ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS UP THERE.
SO ONTO THE LOWER POOL, WHICH IS THE LONG RECTANGLE THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE ON THIS SLIDE CONDITIONS ISSUE, THERE ARE, ARE SIMILAR TO SOME DEGREE WITH THE UPPER POOLS AND THAT THE TILES ARE PEELING OFF THIS, UH, THIS AREA IS WIDER AND IT'S LONGER.
SO YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TILES.
YOU ALSO HAVE IN THIS AREA EXPANSION JOINTS, WHICH ARE LIKE IN A ROAD OR IN A SIDEWALK.
YOU SEE JOINTS EVERY SO OFTEN.
UM, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MEANT TO EXPAND AND CONTRACT AS, AS THINGS MOVE.
AND IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, THOSE EXPANSION JOINTS WERE TILED OVER.
SO AS THAT EXPANDED, THOSE TILES FAILED, AND THEN THE ADJACENT TILES BEGAN TO FAIL AND IT EXPANDED FURTHER.
SO YOU HAVE MORE TILES LOST IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN ANOTHER INTERESTING COMPONENT OF THIS POOL IS IT'S ALSO A RETAINING WALL.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LARGE, UM, ROCK VERTICAL SECTION FROM THE UPPER LEVEL TO THE LOWER LEVEL, THAT THAT IS A RETAINING WALL AND THAT HAS STONE AND THOSE HAVE JOINTS AND SOME OF THOSE ARE UNDERWATER.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE ALLOWING WATER TO GET IN AND BACK AND ERODE AND CAUSE DAMAGE THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE FEEL IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THE CONDITIONS HERE WHILE WE STUDY THE UPPER POOL AND COME BACK WITH A SOLUTION FOR THAT AND NOT LET THIS POTENTIALLY DETERIORATE AND BE MORE EXPENSIVE LATER.
IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE LOWER POOLS, THERE'S ALSO SOME LIGHTING ISSUES, UM, THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
I'VE GOT SOME BETTER PICTURES ON ALL OF THESE THINGS.
UM, SO THE FIRST PICTURE HERE, UM, MAY BE HARD TO TELL, BUT ONE OF THOSE EXPANSION JOINTS THAT I MENTIONED RUNS RIGHT
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THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF WHERE YOU SEE THOSE TILES THAT ARE MISSING.THE NEXT TWO PICTURES ARE WHERE, UM, EXPANSION JOINTS IN THE RETAINING WALLS HAVE FAILED THAT NEED TO BE CLOSED SO THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWING WATER TO GET BACK IN THERE.
THE NEXT TWO PICTURES RELATE TO SOME OF THE LIGHTING ACTUALLY.
UM, WHEN I FIRST WALKED DOWN THERE AND FOUND SOME OF THE CONDITIONS ON THIS LIGHTING, WE HAD, WE HAD EMERGENCY REPAIRS DONE TO THIS LIGHTING, UH, SINCE WE STARTED THIS ITEM.
'CAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT SOMEBODY WOULDN'T GET IN THERE AND TOUCH SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO TOUCH.
SO WE'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF THESE, BUT THERE IS OTHER ELECTRICAL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO JUST MAKE IT WORK AS INTENDED AND BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS A PICTURE OF MORE OF, OF THE TILES THAT HAVE JUST SEPARATED AND, AND COME OFF.
SO WHEN YOU TALLY UP THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PROJECT, GIVEN THE UNEXPECTED EXPENSE OF THE ROOT BARRIERS, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO BOTH THE UPPER AND THE LOWER POOLS.
SO AGAIN, STAFF IS PROPOSING JUST TO ADDRESS THE LOWER POOL, DO A MORE IN-DEPTH STUDY.
WE DON'T WANNA HARM THE TREES, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO INVEST IN THE UPPER POOLS ONLY TO HAVE, UH, GET A COUPLE YEARS WORTH OF, OF, YOU KNOW, LIFE OUT OF THAT BEFORE THE TREE ROOTS CAUSED PROBLEMS. SO OUR SOLUTION WAS A, A PARTIAL SOLUTION AND A COMEBACK LATER WITH, WITH MORE INFORMATION, INSTEAD OF GOING WITH THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUAL TILES THAT CAN PEEL OFF.
THERE'S TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE.
YOU MAY HAVE IT IF YOU HAVE A POOL AT HOMES.
SO IT IS, IT IS A PLASTER WITH PEBBLES, UH, EMBEDDED IN IT.
IT, IT DOES A NUMBER OF THINGS.
IT, IT HIDES BLEMISHES VERY WELL.
UM, YOU CAN DO LOTS OF DIFFERENT COLORS AND TEXTURES BECAUSE THAT IS IN AN AREA WITH TREES.
YOU GET A LOT OF LEAVES IN THERE.
THIS KIND OF MODELED APPEARANCE HELPS HIDE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A PERFECTLY MONO COLOR, YOU, YOU WOULD SEE EVERY LITTLE LEAF.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, GOING, BECAUSE IT HAS A NUMBER OF COLORS, WE CAN MATCH WHAT'S THERE AND MAKE IT LOOK CLOSE TO, BUT AN IMPROVED TECHNOLOGY THERE, THERE WILL STILL BE SOME ACCENT TILES, UH, WITHIN THAT, BUT THERE'LL BE EMBEDDED IN THAT.
UM, THE, IT'LL LET US DO THE EXPANSION JOINTS SO WE CAN WORK ON THE WALL, UH, BEHIND IT AND SEAL THAT UP TO KEEP WATER FROM GETTING INTO THAT.
AND, UM, ADDRESS THAT, THAT LOWER POOL.
SO IF APPROVED, UM, THIS AGREEMENT WITH SUNBELT POOLS WOULD, UM, THEY COULD MOBILIZE IMMEDIATELY.
IT'S GONNA TAKE 'EM ABOUT A MONTH TO ORDER MATERIALS AND GET STUFF READY, READY TO GO.
UH, I WANT TO CORRECT THIS SEPTEMBER 21ST.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH DEMOBILIZATION AFTER OCTOBER FEST.
SO PARK STAFF HAS ASKED THAT WE NOT HAVE PEOPLE COMING INTO THE PARK AS STUFF IS COMING OUT.
SO IF APPROVED, THEY WOULD START ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, AND THEN INSTEAD OF BEING FINISHED IN EARLY NOVEMBER, THEY WOULD BE FINISHED ONE WEEK LATER, WHICH IS STILL BY MID-NOVEMBER, WHICH KEEPS THEM OUT OF THE WAY OF, UM, THE HOLIDAY ACTIVITIES IN THE PARKS, THE LOWER POOL.
AND THAT ADJACENT SIDEWALK WOULD BE CORDONED OFF FOR THEIR MATERIALS, FOR THEIR SAFETY AREA AND TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THAT AREA.
BOTH THE UPPER AND THE LOWER POOLS WOULD BE DRAINED FOR THE DURATION OF THE WORK BECAUSE THEY ARE CONNECTED.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU ARE ANYWHERE NEAR THE ATHLETIC CLUB AS THAT INDOOR POOL WAS REDONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NOISY AND DUSTY PROCESS, UM, TO ESSENTIALLY, UM, SCRAPE AWAY, YOU KNOW, A A HALF INCH OF THAT SURFACE AND THEN REAPPLY A NEW SURFACE ON TOP OF IT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
MARLON, UM, BILL, THESE, THESE PICTURES, ALL THESE PICTURES YOU'VE GOT IN THESE, UH, IN THIS PRESENTATION ARE EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
GREAT PICTURES AND HELP TELL THE STORY.
UM, I'M, I'M PLEASED I'M, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOO BAD THAT THE ACID'S STARTING TO BREAK UP BECAUSE OF ROOTS, BUT, UM, 23 YEARS ON THE UPPER AND LOWER POOL SEEMS LIKE, UH, PRETTY GREAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE CONDITIONS.
UM, AND I'D JUST ADD THAT I THINK IT WAS ROUGHLY SIX YEARS AGO THAT, UH, WE REDID THE SPLASH PAD AND SCOFFER.
I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT RIGHT ON THAT TIMELINE.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE DATES, UM, IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT, UM, ON THIS PLASTER WORK, I'M THINKING IT'S KIND OF LIKE CEMENT.
YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT WHEN IT'S FREEZING TEMPERATURE.
IS THAT, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO SLOT THAT IN BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE HOLIDAY SEASON, YOU, YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO WAIT.
IT CANNOT, IT CAN'T GET BELOW 40 DEGREES WHILE APPLYING THAT.
SO, SO THEN WE'D BE INTO THE SPRING AND THEN YOU GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF RAINY SEASON AND, AND THEN THE SPRING ACTIVITIES IN THE PARK AND RIGHT.
SO WE THOUGHT, WE SAW, WE SAW A WINDOW OF
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TIME TO ADDRESS THE, THE LOWER POOL AFTER OCTOBER FEST BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS, AND THEN YEAH, I GET IT.AND SO, UM, PROBABILITY IS, IS VERY LOW THAT IT WOULD GET BELOW 40, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IF THAT COMES, DO THEY JUST KIND OF HALT THE PLASTER WORK AND WAIT UNTIL THE TEMPERATURES GET, THEY CLEARLY WANT BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR WARRANTIES AND, AND EVERYTHING ARE, ARE TIED TO THAT, THEIR WORKMANSHIP, THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO APPLY IT.
SO IF WE HAD A, UH, LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER, COLD SNAP COME IN, THAT'S PROBABLY JUST A COUPLE DAYS THEY WOULD PAUSE AND THEN PICK RIGHT BACK UP ONCE THE FORECAST.
SHOWED THEM A, A SERIES OF FOUR OR FIVE DAYS THAT TEMPERATURE WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.
AND, AND AS FAR AS THE, UH, COMPETITIVE QUOTE, UM, WAS THAT CLOSELY IN LINE, LINE IT LITERALLY $200 APART.
AND THEY, THEY WERE NOT A CO-OP, I'M SORRY, NOT A CO-OP, NOT A, THEY WERE NOT, SUNBELT IS A CO-OP, THE OTHER WAS NOT A CO-OP, BUT BY THE TIME WE, YOU TOOK SAF TIME TO DEVELOP THE SPECS, PUT IT OUT AND TO SAVE $200, WE FELT LIKE, OKAY.
AND IS THIS NEW, THIS NEW, UM, PEBBLE TECH COLOR THAT YOU PICKED OUT, DOES THAT GONNA MATCH THE, UH, THE SCOFFER? YES, SIR.
BUT IF YOU SEE A PER SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO SUGGEST, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO ANY COLOR AS, OH, I'M, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF AFTER IT'S DONE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL GONNA MATCH.
THEY WON'T MATCH EXACTLY BECAUSE THIS, THIS, I CAN'T SAY SCUFFLE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S STILL THE ORIGINAL TILES.
IT, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF IRIDESCENCE TO IT THAT THIS WILL NOT HAVE.
BUT FROM A, A COLOR AND A TEXTURE, IT'S VERY CLOSE.
UH, BILL BING, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THE TOWN A LONG, LONG TIME.
IN HINDSIGHT, DO YOU FIND THAT THESE POOLS AND DECORATION WITH THE TREES BEING PLANTED BACK WHEN THAT IT'S ALMOST A BAD DESIGN FLAW IN HINDSIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT, I WASN'T WITH THE TOWN THEN.
I THINK THE COMBINATION IS BEAUTIFUL.
I, I MADE A COMMENT TO SOMEBODY EARLIER THAT IF YOU GO TO, YOU GO TO ITALY, YOU DON'T SEE TREES NEXT TO THE TREAD FOUNTAIN.
IT, THE WATER AND TREES NE RIGHT NE YOUR POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD.
RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT GONNA PLANT A LARGE TREE.
SO, UM, I THINK, UH, IT WAS A GREAT CONCEPT.
AND IF THERE WAS A ROOT BARRIER AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, WE WOULDN'T BE FACING THIS.
IT, IT WAS NOT, UH, I'D LOVE TO SEE BOTH THE TREES AND THE, AND THE POOLS UNLESS COUNCIL GIVES US DIRECTION OTHERWISE.
AND THEN LA LAST POINT IS, UM, THE MATERIALS BEING USED, THE, THE, YOU MENTIONED THE WORD WARRANTING, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WITH 40 DEGREE TEMPERATURES, BUT IS THE ESTIMATED LIFESPAN OF THE NEXT IMPROVEMENT ANOTHER 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS? 15.
SO I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO THE MANUFACTURER TONIGHT AND THEY, THE WORKMANSHIP IS TWO, YOU KNOW HOW THERE'S THE WARRANTY AND THEN THERE'S WHAT YOU GET OUT OF IT, RIGHT? UH, SO TWO YEARS ON THE, THE WORKMANSHIP, FIVE YEARS ON THE MATERIAL, TYPICAL IS IN THAT 15 TO 20 BECAUSE THE COST OF OBVIOUSLY MAINTAINING THESE, THESE LEVELS OF POOLS IN AND OF ITSELF, JUST THE FILTRATION, THE LIGHTING, THE INSURANCE, ELECTRICITY, ET CETERA, ON AND ON AND ON, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE A BIG NUMBER.
SO IS THERE BEEN A CONSIDERATION AMONG STAFF TO JUST CONSIDER REPURPOSING SOME OF THE DISTANCES OF THE POOLS, SHORTENING THEM, FILLING SOME OF IT IN TO SIMPLIFY? SO, UM, I, I THINK THIS OPPORTUNITY OF DOING THE, THE LOWER HALF NOW, AND THEN PAUSING AND GETTING INPUT ON THE UPPERS, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOWER, UH, YOU'VE GOT A, AN INTERESTING THING THERE IS, IT IS A RETAINING WALL AND A POOL.
UM, THE, THE TWO ARE CONNECTED.
IF DIRECTION WAS, OBVIOUSLY TONIGHT, YOU COULD SAY DO NOTHING AND COME BACK WITH A WHOLE DIFFERENT PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT STAFF WILL DO.
IF YOU SAY, PROCEED WITH THE LOWER AND, AND COME BACK WITH OPTIONS ON THE UPPER, THAT MAY INVOLVE DIMINISHING, CHANGING, ALTERING, THAT'S WHAT STAFF WOULD DO.
UM, SO BY DOING PART OF THIS, NOW YOU LEAVE THAT OPTION OPEN.
IF, IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION OF I'M TO CHANGE SOMETHING AT THE UPPER, YEAH, I'M, I'M THANKFUL THAT YOU DID ADDRESS THE EMERGENCY SITUATION.
LET'S CALL BEFORE SOMETHING DID HAPPEN TO, TO SOMEBODY, A RESIDENT OR A GUEST.
BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO LOOK AT THE CONVERSATIONS OF THE FUTURE WORK IN LAYERS OF OPTION A, OPTION B, LIKE WE'VE SPOKE ABOUT IN THE PAST, OPTION A, B, AND C, COST ANALYSIS PARTS PER, JUST SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE FUTURE USE.
RANDY? I HAVE THE EXACT SAME COMMENTS WITHOUT TALKING TO DAN AS, AS WHAT HE'S JUST TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S A LOT OF TOWN CITIES DEVELOPMENTS THAT THESE THINGS ARE
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A MAINTENANCE HOG AND NIGHTMARE AND AN, AND AN ONGOING EXPENSE.AND THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT ARE MAKING ROCK GARDENS AND OTHER BEAUTIFUL AESTHETIC THINGS THAT DON'T, IN, THAT DON'T ENTAIL PUMPS AND WATER AND, AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO WITH IT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ALSO AS A, MAYBE AN IDEA TO SAY THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE COULD DO AS WELL, UM, TO THE TILES BEING PUT DOWN AND, UH, BEING PUT OVER EXPANSION JOINTS.
WHO DID THAT? SO THAT WAS 2003.
BUT THAT, THAT DESIGN, THAT WAS, THAT WAS FAULTY WORK.
UH, AND I JUST, I'M ONE THAT, THAT I HOPE THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS LOOKING OVER THE SHOULDERS OF THESE WORKERS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE APPROVING OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DONE AND WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
I MEAN, THESE FOUNTAINS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND, AND, UH, PEOPLE SEEM TO ENJOY 'EM, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD ENJOY 'EM IN ANOTHER ASPECT AS WELL.
AND I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THESE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE SCOPE OF WORK, UM, INCLUDES, UH, TILES AND I THINK YOU, YOU ACTUALLY SHOW THAT IT'S, IT'S IN THAT, UM, PTECH.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE TILES, UM, DISPERSED IN THE PTECH FOR EXTRA DESIGN AND, AND, UH, INTEREST, I GUESS IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST A FLAT, UM, PEBBLE TECH.
SO TO THE EXPANSION JOINTS, THEY WILL NOT BE COVERED BY THE TILE, BUT ADJACENT TO THAT MM-HMM
UH, THERE'LL BE A ROW OF, UM, TILES ON THOSE JOINTS FOR BASICALLY TO KEEP SOME OF THE INTEREST IN THE, THE RHYTHM AND THE PATTERN OF, OF WHAT'S THERE, BUT, UM, NOT A TOTAL SURFACE THAT HAS, AGAIN, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF POINTS OF FAILURE.
AND MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE PRIVATE CONTRACTOR ALSO.
SO WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THAT.
UM, SO THE EXPECTED LIFESPAN IS, IS ABOUT 15 YEARS IS WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE FIGURING WARRANTY TWO YEARS FOR LABOR AND THEN FIVE, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE STATED WARRANTY, BUT THEN THE, THE EXPERIENCE IS $10,000 A YEAR.
UH, IS WHAT BUDGET DOES THIS COME FROM? WHAT, WHAT THIS WAS UNDER, AND MAYBE STEVEN, IF HE'S BEHIND ME CAN SPEAK EXACTLY.
THERE WAS AN ASSET MANAGEMENT FUND, UH, OR IT WAS IN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT CATEGORY AND THAT MAYBE FUNDED OUT OF, WAS NOT CIPI, I DON'T RECALL WHERE IT WAS FROM AARON COUNSEL, STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
IT WAS BUDGETED IN THE SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS.
I KNOW IT'S PART OF THIS YEAR'S, UH, THAT WE APPROVED ALREADY.
HOW MUCH WAS THE, UM, UH, BUDGET IN THE UPPER POOL FOR THE ROOT BARRIER? SO, UM, ORIGINAL BUDGET, THE ALLOCATION, THE TWO MAIN PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THAT PROJECT ARE NO LONGER WITH THE TOWN.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PIECE SOME THINGS TOGETHER.
I, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE KNOW THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ESTIMATES TO DO THE SURFACING OF THE POOLS, THERE'S A DELTA THERE OF THE $20,000 OR SO.
SO OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT WAS CONTINGENCY AND OR THE ROOT BARRIER.
SO, 'CAUSE THAT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT ROOTS WERE, WERE MENTIONED MM-HMM
BUT WE, WE CAN'T PUT DOWN EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THEIR THINKING WAS ON, ON THAT PROJECT.
AND YOU SAID THEIR ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT 120 TO YES, SIR.
SO IT WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OFF.
UM, I DO WANT SOMETHING THAT IS MAINTAINABLE.
UM, IT'S COST, YOU KNOW, OVER 15 YEARS.
THIS 140 SOMETHING THOUSAND IS $10,000 A YEAR.
EVERYTHING IN TOWN COSTS MONEY EVERY YEAR.
SO, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF SUPPORTING THIS.
ANYTHING ELSE I WOULD UNDERSTAND A MOTION, OUR MOTION TO, UH, PASS, UH, ITEM SIX B.
THANK YOU CHANEL AND MARLON FOR THE SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[Items of Community Interest]
SEVEN, UH, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.IT'S THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO SHARE ANY, UH, EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS, CONDOLENCE AND OTHER INFORMATION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE? I SEE MARLIN IN YOUR LIGHT FIRST.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF INPUT ABOUT MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND, UM, SO WE
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JUST HAD A SITUATION JUST, WE JUST APPROVED WITH A GREAT DEVELOPER THAT WE ALREADY KNOW AND TRUSTED AND WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA MAKE GREAT PRODUCT.AND, UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A FINANCIAL GAP AND, AND WE, WE FILLED THAT WITH INCENTIVES.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO JUST KIND OF REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, UM, THIS IS A, A REALLY NICE STEP THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY SEE IT AND SEE, AND, AND IT MAY TAKE A LOT OF WHILE, LITTLE WHILE THEY WOULD NEED TO SEE THAT PRODUCT POP UP, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL GET EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE AND, AND, AND THE STEPS THAT, THAT, UH, OCCURRED TO GET IT, TO GET IT HERE.
SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO GREAT WORK.
I DON'T QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA START.
I JUST KNOW THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA START AS QUICK AS THEY CAN AND BUILD A GREAT PRODUCT.
SO, UM, I JUST KINDA WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
CHANEL, UM, YEAH, SO I WANTED TO JUST TAKE NUMBER ONE A MOMENT JUST TO THANK OUR INCREDIBLE STAFF, UM, FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND THE SUPPORT THAT YOU GIVE US.
UM, AND I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK FELICIA FOR SCHEDULING MY TRAINING TO TML.
UM, I HAD A VERY GOOD TIME AT THE TRAINING.
UM, SO IF MY COUNTERPARTS HAVE NOT WENT, I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NEWLY ELECTED.
BUT, UM, VERY GOOD, UM, CLASS THAT I WENT TO.
UH, DAVID JUST WANNA SAY, I DEFINITELY DEEP DEEPLY ADMIRE YOUR WORK AND YOUR ETHIC AND YOUR LEADERSHIP, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, WHAT I DID LEARN AT THAT TRAINING WAS, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF TOWNS THAT WISH THEY WERE IN OUR SHOES.
UM, AND SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO THAT.
UM, ALSO WANTED TO THANK PASSION AND, UH, CHIEF, UH, FOR SHOWING ME A GOOD TIME OVER AT THE FIRE STATION ON FRIDAY, TAKING A RIDE AND POP A SMURF.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO RODE ME AROUND, BUT TELL THEM THANK YOU AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN JESSICA, I THINK, OH, JESSICA, WELCOME.
UH, JUST WANNA TAKE A, TAKE A MOMENT TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UH, NATIONAL TREASURE THAT, THAT THE UNITED STATES LOST TODAY.
AND DOLLY PARTON FROM ALL INDICATIONS, SHE WAS A WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING, A PHILANTHROPIST, AN ENTERTAINER, AND I THINK SHE WILL BE MISSED BY MANY.
AND I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WE'VE LOST HER.
AND I ECHO YOUR SENTIMENTS THERE.
I PASSED THIS ON TO CHIEF AND DAVID GAINES ALREADY.
UM, I HAD A, UH, COMMENT FROM A, UM, A RESIDENT IN PERSON AT, AT A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEETING ABOUT HIM GETTING PULLED OVER BY A ADDISON POLICE OFFICER.
I, I KNOW IT NEVER HAPPENS, BUT, UH, HE DID.
UM, HE SAID, UH, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WHAT A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE THAT WAS.
UH, OFFICER WILLIAMS BADGE 2 7 4 PULLED ME OVER FOR A TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR HIS PROFESSIONALISM AND FOR BEING VERY INFORMATIVE.
NOT SURE THERE'S A MENTION OF A TICKET OR NOT, BUT HE WANTED TO PASS ALONG HIS, UH, HIS, UM, UM, APPRECIATION FOR THAT AND RECOGNIZE THAT AS IN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DARREN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO KNOW? OH, SORRY.
UH, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUICK THINGS.
UH, SATURDAY WAS A BIG DAY, UH, AROUND ADDISON.
YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TODAY WITH THE PUSHIN CEREMONY AT THE FIRE STATION, ONE WITH THE TWO NEW FIRE OR AIRPORT APPARATUS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT APPARATUS.
UM, AND, UH, SPEAKING OF PAPA SMURF, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL VEHICLE OVER THERE, ISN'T IT? AND I LOVE, LOVE THE COLOR OF IT AND, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HOSTING THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE TO, TO COME AND DO THAT.
THEY'RE VERY TRADITIONAL, UH, CEREMONY FOR THE, FOR THE PUSH-IN.
UH, AND THE END OF THE DAY ON SATURDAY WAS THE LAST NIGHT OF VITRUVIAN SALSA FEST.
AND, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE NEXT YEAR, COME BACK, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IN JUNE.
NEXT YEAR WON'T, WON'T BE AS HOT, BUT, UH, THAT WAS SINCE IT WAS THE LAST NIGHT.
THEY GOT IT, GOT THE CROWD, GOT BIG EARLY AND THEY WERE JUST VERY EXCITED.
IT WAS A HUNDRED PLUS DEGREES AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, STILL OUT THERE DANCING, ENJOYING THE, THE MUSIC AND EVERYTHING.
AND I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE JESSICA VIO, UH, WHO, WHO SHE, SHE WORKS FOR UDR AND WHAT SHE DOES IN, IN ADDITION TO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, IS SHE DOES ALL THEIR SPECIAL EVENTS OUT THERE.
AND SHE HAS PUSHED HARD FOR THIS EVENT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT A DOZEN YEARS OUT THERE.
AND, AND, AND WE, I APPRECIATE THE UDR BECAUSE THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THESE.
THEY PAY FOR THE, THE, THE BANDS TO COME OUT THERE AND IT'S A FREE EVENT AND IT'S VERY WIDELY RECOGNIZED AS A VERY, UH, POPULAR FAVORITE EVENT, UH, FOR SALSA IN THE NORTH TEXAS REGION.
SO I APPRECIATE UDR AND JESSICA FOR, UH, MAKING ADDISON LOOK REALLY GREAT.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM
DO WE NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK?
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ALL RIGHT, TAKE FIVE, FIVE MINUTES.EIGHT 20 NOW ITEMS ON OCTOBER 9TH.
IT IS 8 29 AND WE ARE RECONVENING FROM AFTER OUR BREAK.
AND, UH, TO FINISH OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS TONIGHT.
[b. Present and discuss the Proposed Annual Budget for the Town of Addison for Fiscal Year 2027 (Beginning October 1, 2026, and Ending September 30, 2027), including, but not limited to, the General Fund, Utility Fund, Stormwater Fund, Airport Fund, Hotel Fund, Economic Development Fund, Information Technology Fund, Capital Replacement Fund, Infrastructure Investment Fund, and Long-Term Planning.]
WE'LL GO INTO ITEM, UH, ON THE WORK SESSION.SIX B PRESENTED, DISCUSS THE PROPOSED ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2026, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027, INCLUDING BUT NOT UNLIMITED, NOT LIMITED TO THE GENERAL FUND, UTILITY FUND, STORM WATER FUND, AIRPORT FUND, HOTEL FUND, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FUND, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FUND, CAPITAL REPLACEMENT FUND INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTMENT FUND, AND LONG-TERM PLANNING.
UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL, STEPHEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
UH, WE DO HAVE A FEW SLIDES HERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT WERE THE FINAL SLIDES WE DIDN'T GET TO, UH, FROM THE BUDGET WORKSHOP IN THE MEETING ON, UH, AUGUST 11TH.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE BECKY, SHE'S GONNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT, UH, BELLA LANE AND PONTE BRIDGE REPAINTING, AND THEN SHE'S GONNA GO OVER SOME PEDESTRIAN, UH, IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THIS BUDGET, BUT JUST ALSO SOME THINGS THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO OTHER PLANS AND, UH, THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING AROUND TOWN.
SO I'LL PASS IT OVER TO BECKY.
BECKY DEVINNEY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.
ALRIGHTY, SO LET'S GET STARTED HERE.
THE FIRST PROJECT I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY IS THE REPAINTING OF THE BELL AND PONTE BRIDGES.
UM, THESE PROJECT OR THIS PROJECT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO ON A ROUTINE BASIS.
BASICALLY EVERY FIVE YEARS WE HAVE A PLAN TO GO IN AND, UH, MAINTAIN THOSE.
THEY WERE LAST PAINTED IN 2021.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING TO PAINT REPAINT BOTH OF THOSE BRIDGES AT ABOUT $25,000 IS THE ESTIMATED COST.
THE NEXT THING I WANT TO GO THROUGH IS A SERIES OF PROJECTS.
I'M NOT GONNA READ EVERY SINGLE PROJECT ON THE SLIDE.
THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS ALL OF THE PEDESTRIAN PROJECTS THAT THE TOWN HAS COMPLETED TO DATE.
THIS LIST OF PROJECTS ARE A LIST OF PEDESTRIAN PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN OUR CURRENT BOND PROGRAM.
AS YOU CAN RECOGNIZE, THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH ROADWAY PROJECTS, UM, SUCH AS KELLER SPRINGS, ADDISON ROAD, UM, AIRPORT PARKWAY, COTTON BELT TRAIL, QUORUM DRIVE, MONTFORT.
SO A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, PLANS THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU THAT SHOWED THE GREEN, THE ORANGE OR THE BLUE STARS, THOSE ARE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU TODAY.
THE NEXT LIST OF PROJECTS ARE HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECTS.
THEY'RE PROJECTS THAT WE TYPICALLY PAY FOR THE MAJORITY OR ALL OF THE DESIGN.
AND THEN TDOT FUNDS THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO HERE ARE A FEW PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED, UM, ARAPAHOE AND SURVEY BULLARD BOULEVARD, UM, IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS YOU CAN CURRENTLY TELL AS YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN, ALONG WITH THE CITYWIDE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THAT INCLUDES THE REFLECTIVE BACK PLATE.
SO ON EACH ONE OF THE SIGNALS, THERE'S NOW THE YELLOW BACK PLATE THAT'S BEING PUT AROUND EACH ONE OF THOSE ALONG WITH A YELLOW ARROW.
INSTEAD OF IT BEING A SOLID YELLOW ARROW, IT NOW WILL FLASH.
THE THREE THAT YOU SEE BELOW THAT, UM, ARE AT SOJOURN.
UM, THE MIDBLOCK CROSSING AS YOU'RE, UH, DRIVING TOWARDS TCA, THE ADDISON CIRCLE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH WILL HAVE A RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASHING BEACONS, UH, RFPS.
UM, THAT WILL BE AT ALL FOUR LEGS OF THE ADDISON, UH, CIRCLE ROUNDABOUT.
AND THEN THE BELTWAY CROSSING AT THE ATHLETIC CLUB ALSO WILL HAVE A RFB UM, T THOSE DESIGN PLANS ARE COMPLETED AND TXDOT IS IN THE LETTING PROCESS TO LET THAT PROJECT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN THE FINAL PROJECT YOU SEE IS AT ADDISON ROAD AND ARAPAHO AND LINDBERGH.
UM, IT'S AT ABOUT 90% DESIGN AND WE'RE CURRENTLY COORDINATING, UM, WITH DART AND OTHERS ON THE DART SIGNAL, UM, FOR THE ACTUAL SILVER LINE AND THEN THE, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN THAT AREA.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
UM, PREVIOUSLY IN THE BUDGET YOU AUTHORIZED $150,000 TO BE SPENT.
SO YOU CAN SEE A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, A AZURE LANE AND REDDING TRAIL IS ONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, PROTON AND CANOE, UM, IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN WORKED ON OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM SEVERAL THAT SHOW LPI, THAT'S THAT LEADING PEDESTRIAN INTERVAL WHERE WE'RE GIVING MORE TIME AT THE SIGNAL.
UM, AND THESE ARE ALL PROJECTS THAT OUR STAFF IS WORKING ON OR COORDINATING WITH A CONTRACTOR.
THE PLAN FOR FY 27 IS TO FOCUS THE $175,000 ON THE ADDISON ROAD AND ADDISON CIRCLE CROSSING.
ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU TODAY IS THE MIDWAY AND BELTWAY, UH, PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO EVALUATE THAT CROSSING LOCATED
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DIRECTLY AT MIDWAY AND BELTWAY, UM, AND LOOK AT THAT SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION AND LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS A SAFER AREA FOR FOLKS TO CROSS FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST OR OBVIOUSLY, UH, VICE VERSA.AND SO LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, UM, AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THIS GRAPHIC, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS IN A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, WE'LL BE MAKING THE UPDATE, UM, TO THE STRIPING IN THIS AREA TO CHANGE, UM, WHERE THE, WHEN YOU'RE HEADED EASTBOUND ON BELTWAY, YOU WILL NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO NORTH AND STRAIGHT AND WITHIN THE SAME LANE, AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE PUTTING IT BACK TO VERY SIMILAR LIKE IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IS THAT WE WILL BE REMOVING SOME OF THE BIKE LANE IN THIS AREA AND IT WILL TURN TO A SHERO FROM ESSENTIALLY THAT DRIVEWAY THAT YOU SEE THAT'S ON THE FURTHEST WESTERN SIDE OF THE DRAWING.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE WORKS.
THIS IS A, A MOST RECENT DESIGN THAT STAFF IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING AND WE ANTICIPATE GETTING THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD VERY QUICKLY.
UM, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU TODAY, UM, BASICALLY HAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UM, THIS IS THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.
UM, WE REALLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS BEFORE YOU.
THE FIRST OPTION REALLY IS JUST TO PAINT THOSE THERMOPLASTIC, UM, CROSSWALKS.
IT CAN EITHER BE THERMOPLASTIC MATERIAL THAT'S PUT DOWN OR PAINTED.
WE'LL GO THROUGH A DESIGN PROCESS, UM, THROUGH THAT.
ALSO INCREASE THE SIGNAL TIMING BY HAVING THAT LEADING PEDESTRIAN UH, INTERVAL.
LOOK AT ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AND MARKING IN THIS AREA, LIGHTING IF NECESSARY.
UM, LOOK AT REDOING CURB RAMPS IF THEY NEED TO BE REDONE.
UM, MANY OF THESE WERE ALREADY IMPROVED AS A PART OF THE MIDWAY PROJECT, BUT AS WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CROSSWALK, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE SENDING AND RECEIVING LOCATION WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE WALKING OR COMPLETELY LINED UP.
AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, LIKE THE REFUGE AND CROSSING ISLAND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A SAFE LOCATION TO CROSS ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND THAT THERE'S NOT A MEDIA NOSE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, UH, WANTING TO GET ACROSS.
SO OPTION ONE INCLUDES THAT PAINTING.
UM, AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY $250,000 WHERE OPTION TWO WOULD REQUIRE, UM, REMOVING CONCRETE, UM, IN THE AREAS OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND MATCHING MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED ON THE, UM, MOST WESTERN LEE SIDE OF THIS INTERSECTION WHERE IT WOULD BE RED, UM, EITHER STAMPED CONCRETE OR CONCRETE CUT INTEGRAL CONCRETE.
AND SO WE WOULD BE REMOVING SECTIONS OF CONCRETE FROM THE NORTH, THE EAST, AND THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THIS INTERSECTION AND PUTTING OUT, UM, ENHANCED PAVERS, WHICH WOULD BE RED IN NATURE, WHICH WOULD DRAW THE ATTENTION TO THAT COLOR.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE ARE PRESENTING BEFORE YOU TO HELP, UM, INCREASE AND ENHANCE THIS INTERSECTION.
THE GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION, UH, REPRESENTS OPTION ONE.
WHAT DO, WHAT AM I MISSING? $250,000 TO PAINT SQUARES ON A ROAD.
THERE'S GONNA BE A, A REFUGE, THAT'S WHAT I'M, WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? YOU SAID TO PA THE PAINTING.
SO IT INCLUDES PAINTING THEN SIGNAL TIMING, ADJUSTMENTS.
IT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE ANY KIND OF MARKINGS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT OUT THERE OR SIGNS AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE INTERSECTION, INCLUDING IF THE MEDIAN RAMP IS NOW IN THE WAY.
SO SAY YOU'RE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET AND THE NOSE OF THE MEETING IS NOW STICKING OUT INTO THAT AREA, WE WOULD BE BRINGING THAT BACK SO THERE WOULD BE SOME CONCRETE WORK IF THOSE THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN.
UM, BUT YES, THAT'S THE ESTIMATE, UM, TO DO THAT OVERALL PAINTING.
IT, IT IS QUITE EXPENSIVE, UM, BUT IT'S VERY EXTENSIVE AND A LOT OF THE, UM, FUNDING OR UH, EXPENSE OF THIS PROJECT ALSO COMES FROM THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PORTION OF IT.
IT'S NOT JUST THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S EVERYTHING THAT IT TAKES TO GET THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTED ALONG WITH, UM, A VERY PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
CAN I JUMP IN REAL QUICK? YOU JUST DID.
SO, UM, I WANTED TO STOP YOU EARLIER, BUT, UM, THE AZURE REDDING TRAIL, I LOVE THE, THE ADDITION OF THE BLINKING LIGHTS, BUT THE CROSSWALK IS FADED.
ARE WE GONNA COME BACK AND AND PAINT THAT OR REPLACE IT? YES SIR.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH IS LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS ANYWHERE WHERE WE HAVE STRIPING, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD.
UM, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS TO GO BACK WITH THE PAINTING, UM, THROUGH THAT CONTRACT WITH THAT, UH, STRIP HIS OWN CONTRACTOR.
AND THEN, UH, AT THE MIDWAY AND BELTWAY INTERSECTION, I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THE DEDICATED RIGHT, UH, HAND TURN BACK.
ARE WE GETTING RID OF THAT? THE BIKE TRAIL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BELTWAY? IS THAT HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE ALL THIS HAPPEN? NO SIR, WE WON'T.
SO IN THIS PICTURE IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFICULT TO TELL
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BACK WHERE YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY, UH, SEE WHERE THE LITTLE BIKE LANE ENDS MARKING IS.UM, IT'S ON THE VERY, VERY BOTTOM CORNER OF THIS DRAWING.
UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS AREA IS WE WOULD BE REMOVING THAT DEDICATED BIKE LANE, AND THAT AREA WOULD TURN TO SHERO.
WE WOULD HAVE SIGNAGE THAT PUTS IS PUT UP THAT SAYS THE BIKE LANE WOULD STILL BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, UM, AS YOU TRAVEL EAST.
BUT WE WOULD BE PUTTING UP SIGNS THAT SAY THAT IT NOW IS TURNING INTO A SHERO.
SO THEN FOLKS WOULD DRIVE IN, UM, OR RIDE THEIR BICYCLE IN THE SAME LANE.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO GO RIGHT, THEY WOULD DRIVE IN THE SHERO OF THE RIGHT LANE, OR IF THEY WANTED TO GO STRAIGHT OR LEFT, THEY WOULD GO INTO, UM, GO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE RIGHT, I MEAN, SORRY, THE LEFT.
IF YOU CAN OTHER WAY RIGHT THERE, SEE WHERE IT SAYS BIKE LANE IN.
SO WE WOULD REMOVE, UM, THAT GREEN MARKING AND MAKE THAT ENTIRE AREA A SHE IN THIS AREA.
I'LL, I'LL LET YOU MAKE THAT DECISION.
I KNOW YOU'RE THE EXPERT, BUT TO ME THAT JUST SEEMS REALLY CONFUSING.
I FEEL LIKE ANYONE WHO'S GOING TO BE TAKING A BIKE AND GOING EAST ON THAT STREET WILL JUST STAY ON THE 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK INTO IT NARROWS, AND THEY'LL, AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL PROBABLY JUST CONTINUE ON THAT PATH.
I JUST, THAT, THAT SEEMS REALLY CONFUSING RIGHT THERE.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW CARS TO GET BACK INTO THAT LANE AND MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME.
NO, I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
THE ACT, OTHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY IS ACTUALLY A SHERIFF, SO THEY'LL BE TRAVERSING FROM ONE SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION TO THE OTHER, DIRECTLY THROUGH THE SHERIFF.
SO IT'LL BE THE BEGINNING OF THE, SHE WILL JUST STOP PRIOR TO THE INTERSECTION AND STILL AFTER THE INTERSECTION, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT CONFUSES ME, BUT I, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU GUYS DO IT.
I THINK EVERYONE ON THAT SIDE TIME WILL BE HAPPY TO HAVE THE, THE RIGHT HAND TURN BACK.
AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT IS, UM, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SEE US TAKE ON THAT INTERSECTION, MIDWAY BELTWAY AND THE ENHANCEMENTS THERE.
SAW A LOT OF FOLKS TRYING TO MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE LONDONER DURING, UM, WORLD CUP AND I, IT GETS REALLY, REALLY CHALLENGING ACROSS THAT BUNCH OF FOLKS STAYING AT THE HOTEL, WALKING ON THE WEST SIDE AND THEN TRYING TO GET ACROSS AT BELTWAY.
SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE US, UM, TAKE THAT PROJECT ON.
UM, I DON'T LIKE THE CROSSWALKS THERE.
NOW, THE, THE CONCRETE, THEY DISAPPEAR AT NIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'D BE IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT ACROSS MIDWAY.
I DO WANT TO SEE THE, UM, THE CROSSING ISLAND OR THE REFUGE, WHATEVER YOU'RE CALLING THAT.
I THINK, UM, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO ALONG WITH THE PAINTED STRIPES AND JUST SEE HOW THAT GOES.
WE, I THINK WE ALSO NEED BETTER LIGHTING THERE AS WELL.
AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE DO, UH, MORE QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.
UM, THE NEXT PROJECT I WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU TODAY IS THE BELTLINE ROAD DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY ENHANCEMENTS.
UM, THIS IS A PROJECT LISTED NUMBER 26 IN THE OVERALL PROJECT FROM THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX.
UM, AND YOU'VE SEEN PREVIOUS, UH, DRAWINGS, RENDERINGS, ET CETERA OF THIS AREA.
UM, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO COORDINATE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WITH NORTH TEXAS, UH, TOLLWAY AUTHORITY AND LOOK AT A WAY THAT WE CAN REALLY WORK TO ENHANCE SAFETY AND MAKE THIS MORE VISIBLE.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED BEFORE YOU IS TO ENHANCE, UH, THE CROSSWALK MARKINGS, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I JUST SHOWED YOU ON MIDWAY AND BELTWAY.
UM, ALSO ADD SIGNS, MARKINGS, UM, LOOK AT ADDING SOME LANDSCAPING AND THEN ALSO POSSIBLE LIGHTING.
SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS, UM, ADDING THE ADDITIONAL, UH, THEY'RE CALLED CONTINENTAL CROSSWALK, UM, MARKINGS ACROSS, UH, EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS TO, TO MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE AND BRING THAT FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT CHANGING THE COLOR OF THE CONCRETE.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY BETWEEN THE TURN LANE AND THE, UH, TRAVEL LANE, THE U-TURN LANE I SHOULD SAY.
THIS IS JUST ONE COLOR OF STAIN CONCRETE.
UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE COLORS OF STAIN CONCRETE THAT WE COULD PROPOSE HERE.
WE COULD EVEN GO TO THE RED TENT IF WE, SO JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE.
UM, THEN PUT SOME PLANTERS ALONG THERE.
UM, THE PLANTERS THAT YOU SEE BEFORE, YOU'RE VERY SIMILAR TO THE PLANTERS, UM, THAT ARE ALREADY USED ALONG BELT LINE, UM, WITH THAT BELT LINE, UH, 1.5 PROJECT AND THEN ALSO ADD SOME PATHWAY LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THIS AREA.
AND WHAT THE GOAL WITH THIS IS TO SPEND APPROXIMATELY $200,000 JUST TO ADD, UM, A SAFETY COMPONENT, GIVE THAT LIGHTING IN THIS AREA, MAKE IT VISIBLY SHOWN THAT THIS IS THE AREA OF WHICH YOU WOULD WALK AND TRAVERSE.
UM, AND THIS IS REALLY JUST A NEXT STEP
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TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING IT A SAFER FEEL TO TRAVERSE FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST SIDE OF, UM, TOWN OR VICE VERSA.I JUST, UH, ADD A COUPLE COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, AS BECKY MENTIONED, WE'VE, AS BECKY MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME IN TOWN.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE HAD A, A PLAN THAT WAS EXCITING TO SAY, TO LOOK AT HOW WE GET THIS PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION, HOW WE COULD GET ACROSS SAFELY, THAT, THAT INVOLVED CHANGING THE U-TURN WORKING WITH DALLAS.
THOSE CONVERSATIONS WENT ON COORDINATING WITH DALLAS WHAT MAKES SENSE.
WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE WE SAID FROM STAFF LEVEL, OUR IDEA IS WE JUST WANNA START DOING SOMETHING.
WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE CAN START, WE CAN DO THIS SIDE, WE CAN START LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDES.
UM, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AND PLANNED FOR, FOR A LONG TIME.
OUR THOUGHT WAS, AND WE'RE OPEN TO COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION, IS THAT WE CAN JUST START DOING THINGS TO IMPROVE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THOUGHT BEHIND THIS PROJECT.
YES, AND UH, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, UH, COME BACK WITH FUTURE CIP PROJECTS, JUST LIKE DAVID MENTIONED, TO KIND OF WORK TO FINISH OUT THAT INTERSECTION AND I WOULD SAY THE OTHER THREE LEGS OF, OF THE INTERSECTION.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WORK WITH NTTA, UM, ALONG THE TOLLWAY AS YOU'RE ENTERING ADDISON.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS, IS WHEN YOU'RE VISUALLY DRIVING DOWN, UM, THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, WHAT CAN WE DO? BECAUSE YOU DO KIND OF GO INTO A HOLE IN THAT AREA, OR IT'S DEFINITELY DEPRESSED IN THAT AREA TO SEE WHAT THERE ARE THINGS WE COULD DO EVEN ALONG THE SIDES OF THE TUNNEL AS YOU'RE GOING UNDER AND COMING INTO ADDISON TWO.
AND SO WANTING TO LOOK AT VISUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TRAVELED THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX AND OTHER AREAS.
ONE THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS DENTON.
UM, AS YOU COME INTO UNT, THERE'S A LOT OF MEDALLIONS THAT ARE VERY LIT UP IN THAT AREA THAT SHOWED TW AND UNT AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
AND DAVID AND I HAVE WORKED ON THOSE PROJECTS TOGETHER BEFORE.
AND SO WE WANTED TO ENTERTAIN LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH NTTA, MAYBE NOT TO THAT SCALE, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT SHOWS YOU'RE IN ADDISON.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE DESIGN STANDARD YOU SEE NOW IN A LOT OF THOSE, UH, UNDERPASSES WITH THE BRIDGES.
CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 11 PLEASE? SO, SO THIS IS WITH THE, UM, THE BELTWAY AND, AND MIDWAY INTERSECTION? YES, SIR.
SO THIS, AND THE NEXT SLIDE ARE THAT TWO 50 OR SIX 50 PRICE TAGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER.
THE, THE SLIDE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE ON SLIDE 11 IS THE SLIDE WE ALREADY BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU THAT'S ALREADY PROPOSED.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, THE TWO 50 SPECIFICALLY IS FOUR OPTION ONE, WHICH SHOWS ALL OF THE THERMOPLASTIC MARKING, LIGHTING, SIGNAGE, THIS REFUGE ISLAND.
THE SIX 50 IS INSTEAD OF DOING PAINTING ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY REMOVING CONCRETE AND PUTTING BACK CONCRETE THAT WOULD BE OF ANOTHER COLOR SUCH AS THE RED STONE THAT YOU SEE, UM, WITH MAYBE THE BRICK PATTERN OR A SCORED PATTERN TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THE CROSSWALK AND THE, UH, SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUND HAS ENOUGH FUNDS FOR EITHER ONE OF THESE.
AND OPTION ONE IS IN THE BUDGET.
THAT'S IN THE BUDGET BEFORE YOU, OH, IT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.
YES, I SHOULD HAVE STATED THAT IT WAS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.
THEY, THEY PUT OPTION ONE IN THERE, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU ANOTHER OPTION FOR, OKAY.
WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY ON THE $250,000 STRIPES? UM, IT DEPENDS ON WEAR AND TEAR.
UM, IN MANY OF THESE AREAS, ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE'S UH, RIGHT TURN MOVEMENTS.
SAY YOU'RE TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND ON MIDWAY AND YOU'RE MAKING A RIGHT TURN ONTO BELTWAY, YOU'LL SEE WEAR AND TEAR IN THAT AREA A LOT GREATER.
UM, TYPICAL PATTERNS ARE TO DO PAINTING CYCLES ON A FIVE TO 10 YEAR BASIS, DEPEND ON WEAR AND TEAR ON EVEN THOSE ON THE ROAD THERE.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY SEEM TO BE LIKE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN JUST PAINT ON THE ROAD.
THEY, UM, YES, EVEN ON THOSE AREAS, BUT IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE ENTIRE INTERSECTION.
IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU CAN ONLY DO SAY THE, THE LANE I WAS MENTIONING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST THOSE STRIPES FOR THAT TWO 50.
AND THEN BACK ON THE, UH, THE BRIDGE, UH, PAINTING, UH, THOSE, SO PAINTING THOSE EVERY FIVE YEARS, UM, IT'S NOT AS LARGE OF AMOUNT, BUT IT IS, UM, NO, IT IS SOME MONEY TO HOW DO WE SPEND IT? WHICH GOING, I DIDN'T LOOK AT 'EM.
HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THOSE BRIDGES? WHERE'D THE BRIDGES GO? OH, YOU'RE TALKING BELLA AND BELLA AND PONTE? YES, THOSE, I'M SORRY.
THAT BRIDGE, I WAS THINKING NTTA BRIDGE.
I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT TELLING YOU ABOUT IT.
YEAH, I JUMPED, I JUMPED AHEAD, UM, OR BACK.
I I DID DO WE EVALUATE, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE DO THAT THEY DO NEED PAINTING VERSUS THEY DO, AND IT'S A PART OF OUR OVERALL ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, INDICATES BASED ON A, A, UH, BASICALLY A UV TYPE MM-HMM
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SO IMAGINE THEY'RE GETTING IT'S RED AND THEY'RE GETTING CONSTANT SUNLIGHT AND SO THEY WILL START TO GET WHERE THE TOP MAYBE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FADED THAN THE UNDERNEATH.
IT'S NOT GETTING THE DIRECT SUNLIGHT.
SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ACTUALLY REPAINT THOSE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THANK YOU MAYOR BECKY, ON SLIDE 12, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF PERFORMING SOME OF THIS WORK TO REMOVE SOME OF THAT SHERROW, REPURPOSING IT BACK TO A RIGHT TURN LANE, REMOVING THAT GREEN PAINT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THOSE WILL BE THINGS THAT WE WILL ALL EVALUATE.
WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SELF PERFORM AS MUCH OF THE WORK AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UM, BUT YES, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO.
WE HAVE NOT MADE THAT FINAL DETERMINATION.
UM, BUT DEFINITELY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WANTING TO TRY TO DO.
BUT THAT WAS PART OF ONE OF OUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS WAS YES, SIR.
SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT INCORRECTLY.
YEAH, AND I, I OBVIOUSLY, CHRIS ALMOST, I WOULD SAY MOWED ME DOWN WHEN I WAS COMING HOME FROM DINNER THE NIGHT.
YEAH, CHIEF FREEZE ON THAT ONE, BUT I, I WALK THAT ALL THE TIME.
SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE, MY OPINION IS THE CURBING DOESN'T NEED TO BE TOUCHED.
THE PAINT WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE TEETH, I CALL 'EM PIANO KEYS.
IF THAT'S THE ONLY WORK TO BE DONE, THAT'S THE $250,000 WORTH OF WORK IN SCOPE, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY WORK TO BE DONE.
WE ALSO WILL WORK AT, UM, THE SIGNAL TIMING OF THE INTERSECTION TO DO WHAT'S CALLED THE LEADING PEDESTRIAN INTERVAL, WHICH GIVES MORE TIME TO THE SIGNAL.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SIGNAL TIMING PROGRAM THAT'LL ALLOW FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO HAVE MORE TIME TO GET FROM ONE SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION TO THE OTHER.
SO MY QUESTION IS, 'CAUSE I I WALK IT ALL THE TIME AND IT'S PLENTY OF TIME.
SO ARE YOU GETTING COMPLAINTS THAT YOU'RE NOT GIVEN ENOUGH TIME TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B? UM, WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY RECEIVING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, BUT THAT'S A PART OF THIS OVERALL EVALUATION.
AND WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT PUT TOGETHER THE PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX WAS TO EXTEND THE LENGTH OF TIME, ESPECIALLY IF YOU MAKE ENHANCEMENTS SUCH AS SOME KIND OF REFUGE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE, THEN YOU DEFINITELY HAVE TO INCREASE THE TIME FOR FOLKS TO GET FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
SO THE REFUGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT DIAGRAM RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN JAKE'S AND AM'S TREE HOUSE TWO PROJECT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT LITTLE NARROW STRIP OF ISLAND WOULD GET WIDER OR TALLER OR THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE WILL EVALUATE THROUGH THAT, UM, OVERALL PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH THAT DESIGN? UM, IT COULD GET WIDER.
UM, MORE THAN LIKELY THOUGH IT WOULD JUST EXTEND OR GIVE A FREE SPACE FOR SOMEONE TO STAND IF THAT'S WHAT'S NECESSARY.
BUT THAT'LL ALL BE A PART OF THE EVALUATION.
UM, IF YOU START TO MAKE IT WIDER THAN YOU'RE LOSING THE WIDTH OF THE TRAVEL LANES.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND MAKING THEM WIDER.
INSTEAD WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE IT MORE OF A SAFETY AREA WHERE SOMEONE, IF THEY GOT STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION, WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PAUSE.
JUST, JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK, HONESTLY, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TOUCHED.
I'VE USED IT A HUNDRED TIMES TO CHRIS'S POINT WHERE THE PEOPLE I WATCHED WALKING FROM LINDEN OR TO RODEO GOAT, I, I NEVER SAW SOMEONE GETTING FELT, AGAIN, I'M NOT THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT DIDN'T SEE PEOPLE GETTING STUCK IN THE MIDDLE, NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO TO GO BACK OR GO FORWARD.
I WOULD CHALLENGE THE CONSULTANTS' OPINIONS ON HOW LONG THAT LPI IS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S SHORT AT ALL.
AND I THINK THAT THE REFUGE THAT'S THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE RIGHT NOW IS PERFECT.
UM, UNLESS YOU'RE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UNLESS YOU'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR, UNLESS YOU'RE IN A HANDICAP SITUATION, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT WORK OR SCOPE NEEDING TO BE DONE IF THERE CAN BE SAVINGS MADE ON THAT PROJECT THERE.
AND THEN ON SLIDE 14, HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT.
ON SLIDE 14, THE, UH, SANDSTONE CONCRETE.
I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ADDISON BLUE, AS I LOOK AT THE BLUE DOT ALL THE TIME AND, AND WE RECOGNIZE IT IN THE BLUE PLANTERS, UM, THE TOWN'S PLANTERS THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED UNDER PRIOR COUNCILS, I DON'T SEE THEM BEING VERY WELL UPKEPT.
SO I SEE SOME OF THE PLANTINGS AND THE DRIP SYSTEMS NOT WORKING TO KEEP THE PLANT LIFE ALIVE.
SO I, I LOOK AT IT AS A, AS A WASTE OF MONEY.
I'D RATHER MORE LIGHTING BE PUT INTO THAT COURT, THAT CORRIDOR BECAUSE OF SO MUCH OF THE HOTELIERS THAT ARE TRAVELING SOUTH TO GO EAST TO GO USE THOSE RESTAURANTS AND THEN GET BACK TO THE RENAISSANCE OR TO THE MARRIOTT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S LIT UP NEARLY WELL ENOUGH.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE BALLARD LOOKING LIGHTS.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ALMOST A TIC-TAC TOE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE LOW ISLAND ON THE WEST SIDE AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE TOWARDS THE, THE CORNER.
UM, I'M NOT GETTING THE STREETS RIGHT, BUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BELTWAY OR BELTLINE, THE NEXT QUESTION I'D ASK IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A BOISE, UH, GAME, YOU SEE THE BLUE FIELD.
SO WHY WOULD WE NOT CONSIDER A SHADE OF BLUE ON THAT SIDEWALK VERSUS AN EARTH TONE? I MEAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ADDISON.
JUST MY OPINION, AND I DON'T WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD THINK OF IT, NOT BEING BRIGHT BLUE, BUT A SHADE OF BLUE VERSUS SANDSTONE.
UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS.
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THIS WAS JUST A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION.WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND THEN WE CAN WORK FORWARD WITH SOMETHING.
UH, LET'S GO BACK TO 12 REAL QUICK AND THEN WE'LL COME TO 14.
UH, I AM OF THE EXACT SAME MINDSET THAT DAN IS ON THIS.
UH, IF THIS COULD ALMOST BE DONE IN A TWO PHASE, LET, LET'S, LET'S GET THE FIRST THING WORKED OUT, SAVE THE MONEY, AND THEN IF WE NEED TO EXTEND THESE TIMES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU EXTEND THE TIME TO WALK ACROSS, YOU'RE EXTENDING THE TIME THAT CARS HAVE TO SIT AT RED LIGHTS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO THERE'S MORE CARS THAT GO BY THAN PEOPLE WALK ACROSS.
SO, UH, I I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE US SAVE SOME MONEY ON A TWO, ON THE TWO 50.
AND IF, IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND EXTEND, IF, IF WE SEE A PROBLEM, WE CAN DO THAT LATER.
UH, THESE ISLANDS, I'M WITH DAN.
WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING THERE FOR 'EM TO GET THROUGH IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, WHAT IS GOING TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE WE GIVE PEOPLE TO STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, THE MORE THEY WANNA STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND ASK ME FOR MONEY OUT IN, THROUGH MY WINDOW, WHAT'S GONNA PREVENT 'EM FROM DOING THAT OTHER THAN OUR ENFORCEMENT? UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EVALUATE AS A PART OF THE DESIGN.
I, I'M JUST NOT A BIG FAN OF, OF HAVING A, A HALFWAY MARK THERE.
SO I UNDERSTAND, UM, IF WE WANT TO PAINT THE STRIPES, I I I WOULD LOOK AT THAT 14, PLEASE.
UM, MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS, I I I APPRECIATE THE SCALED DOWN VERSION FROM SOME VERSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND TAKEN THE U-TURN LANE OUT AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
THIS IS FAR MORE PALATABLE OF, OF A PROJECT, BUT IT'S STILL IN DALLAS.
AND IN WHAT KIND OF COMMITMENT DO WE HAVE FROM DALLAS OR THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY TO, TO HELP FUNDING WITH THIS? SO THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN DALLAS.
AS WE LOOK AT THE REST OF THE PROJECT, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE IN DALLAS AND WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN DALLAS ALREADY.
UH, BUT THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN DALLAS.
THE, THE BRIDGE IS NOT DALLAS.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN DALLAS.
YEAH, WE ACTUALLY, HOW IS THAT NOT DALLAS, IF THAT'S GOING ACROSS THE BRIDGE? I'M JUST ADDING, THIS IS JUST FOR MY EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BORDERS OF ADDISON, THAT SIDEWALK IS IN ADDISON AND THE U-TURNS IN ADDISON.
BUT THE BRIDGE BELONGS TO WHO? DALLAS OR THE TOLLWAY? THAT'S A FUN QUESTION.
I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET EDUCATED HERE.
THE, THE ROADWAY BELONGS TO DALLAS.
UH, THE, THE BRIDGE IS SOMETHING THAT BELONGS TO NTTA, BUT THEY COORDINATE TO, TO TOGETHER DIRECTLY.
SO, SO IF THE BRIDGE BELONGS TO NTTA, HOW IS THE SIDEWALK ADDISON'S? IF IT'S ON THE BRIDGE? UM, IT'S JURISDICTIONAL BASED ON WHERE YOUR, WHERE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY LIES FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO OUR JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY, YOU CAN BE ON IT, NOT JUST HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT LIKE WE DO ON SOME OF THE OTHER PARTS OF BELTLINE.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR BORDER THAT'S IN ADDISON, IT IS ACTUALLY ADDISON PROJECT.
THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME.
UH, UH, I, I'M, I'M AGREEING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PLANTS SOMETIMES DON'T THRIVE IN THE HEAT, IN THE COLD.
SO IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING, UH, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WITH THOSE PLANTERS OR, OR PUT A RAIL UP, I WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT PEOPLE WALKING THERE TOO.
BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE GETTING HIT THERE AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE FRIGHTENED GOING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE.
SO THIS IS NOT A, A HIGH PRIORITY FOR ME.
IT, IT WOULD BE MORE, I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAN MORE SAFE.
I THINK WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS SAFE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO, UM, THE, THE WIRING THAT WOULD GO INTO THESE BALLISTERS, CAN WE DO IT WITH SOLAR ON EACH ONE OF THESE TO SAVE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND ABSOLUTELY.
THE, THE LIGHTS THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU OR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE ACTUALLY SOLAR.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, THEY ARE SOLAR.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME IN THERE AND DO THE WIRING AND DIG THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PLANTINGS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THERE, THERE'S A FOAM MATERIAL THAT COULD BE USED IN THAT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATER AS OFTEN.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THE PLANTERS TO TRY TO HELP WITH, UM, ALLOWING NOT ONLY IT NOT TO BE AS HEAVY, BUT THEN ALSO HAVE, UH, LIKE A WATER SYSTEM IN THERE THAT KIND OF RETAINS WATER TO ALLOW FOR THE PLANT TO RECEIVE WATER.
NOW HELP ME WITH THE, THE WEIGHT.
WHY, WHY IS WEIGHT AN ISSUE? I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT THESE HEAVY IN CASE A CAR HIT 'EM.
IT WOULD KEEP SOMEBODY, IT WOULD KEEP THE CAR FROM HITTING SOMEBODY.
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THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THESE.NO, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE PLANTINGS ARE SIMPLY FROM AN AESTHETICS PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD BLOCK A CAR FROM, UH, GOING ONTO A CURB OR IT WOULD BE HIT BY A VEHICLE.
UM, BUT WEIGHT IS JUST SOMETHING AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING ADDITIONAL POINT LOADS OR WEIGHT LOADS TO A BRIDGE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE EVALUATED.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS FROM A SAFETY FACTOR.
SO I THOUGHT IN MY MIND, SO YOU'VE CLARIFIED FOR ME, I THOUGHT THESE PLANTERS WERE TO PROTECT PEDESTRIANS FROM CARS THAT MAY COME UP THERE.
I THINK THEY DEFINITELY HAVE A DUAL PURPOSE.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO FROM AN AESTHETIC PERUS TOO.
I I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE US PUT BALLISTERS IN THERE THEN IF THAT'S, IF WE CAN PUT A BALLER THAT'S MORE OF A PROTECTIVE FEATURE FOR PEDESTRIANS OVER THIS.
WELL, BACK TO THE MIDWAY AND, AND BELTLINE PROJECT, I'M SORRY, BELTWAY AND MIDWAY.
I THINK THE IDEA IS TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO WALK, UM, GET SOME CARS OFF THE ROAD, RIGHT IN THAT AREA.
WE HAVE THE SAM SITE THAT'S SOMEONE'S FULLY DEVELOPED.
WE'VE GOT THE COLD BALL, 33 TOWN HOMES THAT ARE REACHING COMPLETION.
WE'VE GOT ALEY PLUS THOSE TOWN HOMES.
THAT'S PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WALK.
AND YOU DO THAT BY GIVING THEM THE SENSE OF SOME SAFETY, NOT A FALSE SENSE, BUT JUST A TRUE SENSE OF SAFETY.
AND, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE PROPOSING IS THOSE ISLANDS, DAN, WHERE I SAW YOU, I THINK PART OF THE, THE BIGGEST COST WOULD BE SOME OF THAT CURB WORK AND THEN THE REFUGE, THE ISLANDS IN THE MIDDLE.
AND WHAT I'M THINKING THEY'LL BE IS MAYBE JUST FLATTER.
'CAUSE WHERE YOU WERE STANDING, IT WASN'T FLAT.
AND MAYBE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, SPACE THERE TO FIT MORE THAN ONE PERSON AS THEY'RE DRIVING THE WALK ACROSS.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY IDEA, IS TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND WALK.
MAYBE YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE RESTAURANTS TO DEVELOP UP AND DOWN THAT AREA IF YOU COULD JUST GET MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE WALKING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOLLWAY PROJECT TOLL AND BELTLINE.
UM, THAT'S SORT OF OUR MAIN AND MAIN, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST REALLY UGLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTING'S GREAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE ENHANCED, UM, CROSSWALKS WOULD PROBABLY JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER.
BUT I'M, I'M IN, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE PLANNERS.
I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE THAT REALLY DON'T LOOK SO GOOD RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, THAT AREA NEEDS SOMETHING.
SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD START.
SO, UH, UH, TAGGING ON TO WHAT CHRIS WAS SAYING.
AND SO TO ME IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT GETTING CARS OFF THE ROAD WALKABILITY, BUT MORE OF A LIFE QUALITY WALKABILITY, UH, PROXIMITY, UH, ALL THOSE PEOPLE BEING ABLE JUST TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET.
IT, IT MAKES IT MORE LIVABLE SO IT MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE, UH, A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND THIS IS A BUDGET TO, FOR YOU TO BRING BACK SOME SOLUTIONS TO WHERE WE'LL SEE MORE DETAIL, UH, NEXT YEAR WHEN THE MONEY'S ACTUALLY SPENT.
IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS THIS, THIS IS, YOU'RE GONNA BE RUNNING WITH THIS WHEN WE APPROVE THIS MONEY OR, UH, THE MIDWAY BELTWAY PROJECT? YES.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PUT IN AS A PROPOSED PROJECT IN THE BUDGET.
AND THEN WE WOULD WORK THROUGH A DESIGN PROCESS.
WE WOULD MAYBE SEE SOME DESIGN, UH, THAT YOU HAVE OR YOU JUST GO DO IT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S UP TO WHAT YOU ASK US TO DO.
I THINK IT WOULD JUST MOST, LIKE IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, IT'S GONNA BE OVER 50,000 SO IT'LL COME BACK, YOU KNOW, JUST DEPENDS IF IT GETS ROLLING IN INSIDE, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER GOOD CHECKPOINT.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO VISUALIZE AND UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH THESE COSTS ARE BECAUSE I, I DON'T DO THESE, I DON'T BUY THESE THINGS.
SO IT'S, I UNDERSTAND IT DOES COST MORE MONEY.
UH, THE SAME WITH, UH, MAIN AND MAIN WITH, UH, BELT LINE AND THE TALL WAY FOR SURE.
MAKING IT MORE WALKABLE, MORE PALATABLE TO WALK ACROSS THERE.
EVEN IF IT IS NOT, UH, COMPLETELY OUR PROPERTY, IT CONNECTS TWO OF OUR PROPERTIES AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THAT FOR COMMERCE, FOR PEOPLE TO GO OVER THERE AND, AND EAT, STAYING ON ONE SIDE OF THE, THE ROAD GOING OVER THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND, AND SHOP.
AND, AND SO THAT, THAT'S MY POSITION ON IT.
I, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
THIS, THIS LOOKS, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS A LITTLE MORE DETAIL TO WHAT THE REST OF THE PROJECT WOULD, UH, SPEND WOULD BE SPENT ON THE OTHER ONE TO BACK ON BELTWAY MIDWAY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AS WE GO ALONG, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF PUTTING THE MONEY THERE.
I, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE END ALL, BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING, AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR SURE.
JUST DOING NOTHING IS, IS A BAD PLAN FOR THIS ONE.
I REALLY DO LIKE THE PLANNERS,
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UH, ON THE, UH, NORTH DALLAS TOLLWAY ENHANCEMENTS.AND I DON'T KNOW, DAN, I KINDA LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE LIGHTS, IF WE CAN GET SOME SOFT BLUE LIGHTS, BUT DEFINITELY I DO LIKE THE, THE PLANNER, SO I WOULD DEFINITELY BE A GOAL ON THIS ONE.
UH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BECKY.
UH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE BRIDGES, THE ARCHES AT, UH, PONTE AND BELLA.
UM, WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE FOR THE WHEELER BRIDGE ARCHES TO BE REPAINTED, DO YOU KNOW? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A FEW YEARS OUT.
I'LL HAVE TO CHECK AND GET BACK WITH YOU.
I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING PRETTY FADED ALREADY.
I I KNOW THAT BLUE PAINT FADES PRETTY QUICKLY.
I BELIEVE IT'S A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, BUT I CAN PUT THAT IN THE FRIDAY REPORT.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT ALL MY MEMORY.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UM, ON THE POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS SLIDE, UM, THE SIGNAGE, AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, FOR THOSE EAST, THAT EASTBOUND TRAFFIC THERE, WHEN THEY'RE GOING ON THAT, WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT RAMP? THAT RIGHT LANE, RIGHT TURN LANE THAT'S ENCOURAGES THEM TO JUST KEEP GOING WHERE THEY CALL IT? OH, IT'S CALLED A SLIP LANE.
UM, SO ARE WE, IS PART OF THAT, UH, POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO HAVE SOME SIGNAGE LEADING UP TO THAT TO SAY, WATCH OUT FROM PEDESTRIANS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING REALLY TO GET THEIR ATTENTION.
SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST, YOU'RE NOT JUST CROSSING ACROSS THE LANES OF TRAVEL, BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO CROSSING ACROSS THE LANES YEAH.
WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THEIR RIGHT HAND TURNS WHERE MAYBE THEY'RE, UH, NOT AT THE FULL STOP.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BEING AT THE FULL STOP OF THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL VERSUS BEING IN THE SLIP LANE.
SO YES, DEFINITELY SOMETHING WILL EVALUATE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
DO THEY EVER PUT DOWN RUMBLE STRIPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT LEADING UP TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION MORE? ANY, I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
UM, I, I'VE NOT SEEN THAT USED A WHOLE LOT.
I'VE SEEN MORE LIKE YIELD AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EVALUATE AS WE GO THROUGH LOOKING AT THIS AREA.
YEAH, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY NO EXPERT, UH, ON THIS, BUT, UH, JUST CURIOUS.
UM, AND, AND I, I A HUNDRED PERCENT BELIEVE THAT THIS INTERSECTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS NOT SAFE.
UH, AND, AND IF PEOPLE AREN'T SCARED GOING ACROSS THERE, WELL, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SCARED LOOKS LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY'S WALKING DOWN THE STREET, BUT MY, MY EXPECTATION IS IF THEY'RE NOT SCARED, THEY'RE A LITTLE NERVOUS AT AT LEAST A LITTLE NERVOUS AND THEY SHOULD BE BECAUSE, UM, THAT IS A DANGEROUS PLACE FOR FOLKS TO BE WALKING AND I'M NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO GET HIT OR KILLED BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING TO MAKE CORRECTIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN ON THIS ONE.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION, PROBABLY WAY LONGER THAN THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY PRODUCTIVE WITH THAT.
UM, DAN, YOU GOT SOMETHING ELSE REAL QUICK? WHAT DO YOU REFER TO THOSE, UM, TO CHRIS'S POINT IN THE SIDEWALKS? IS IT RFPS? WHAT WAS THE ACRONYM YOU USED ABOUT THE BLINKING? RIGHT, SO THOSE, IT'S A-R-R-F-B.
CAN WE, CAN AN RRFB ISH THING BE IMPLEMENTED IN SOME OF THAT CROSSING? SO IF PEOPLE SEE BLINKING WHEN YOU'RE IN THE ACTUAL CROSSWALK, PRESSING THE BUTTON TO GO THAT THE CAR'S BACK SEE SOMETHING BLINKING OR IS THAT NOT SUITABLE? SO IT'S SOMETHING SUITABLE THAT COULD BE USED? UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EVALUATE AS A PART OF THE SIGNAL DESIGN, BUT AN RFB CANNOT BE LOCATED AT THE SAME LOCATION AS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UM, BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, UH, YOU'VE ENOUGH OF, YOU'VE RAISED A, A CONCERN THAT TO YOUR POINT, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE SLIP LANES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DRAWING ATTENTION TO THAT OTHER THAN JUST PAIN.
THANK YOU BECKY, ANYTHING ELSE FOR BECKY? THANK YOU.
UH, COUNSEL, WE ARE AT A PLACE RIGHT NOW THAT EVERYTHING WE HAVE AFTER THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF CHANGES THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OVER ALL OF THIS NEXT WEEK AT OUR TUESDAY MEETING, THAT WE JUST DO IT AT THAT TIME, BUT WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WITH A PUBLIC HEARING THAT NIGHT, RIGHT.
PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
WOULD YOU ALL BE OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
[c. Present and discuss the Town of Addison FY 2026 Third Quarter Financial Report.]
UH, THE OTHER ONE ON SIX C PRESENTED DISCUSS THE TOWN OF ADDISON FY 2026, THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT.IS COUNSEL OKAY WITH JUST HAVING THAT REPORT AND REVIEWING IT ON THEIR OWN? YES.
AS LONG AS WE WOULD HAVE THE TIME TO, TO BRING UP CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS AT SOME POINT ON THE BUDGET.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL HAVE ALL KIND OF DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.
AND THAT'S FINE AS LONG AS WE CAN, OF COURSE WE'RE JUST NOT PUTTING IT TO BED.
BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION NIGHT ANYWAY, SO WE, THAT'LL BE OUR REGULAR YEAH.
CLARIFICATION ON RANDY'S QUESTION, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE FOURTH QUARTER OR THE, THE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT OR THE THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT? NO, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET? NO, I WAS ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE THIRD QUARTER.
UH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT REPORT, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN SEND THEM IN AND WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT 'EM DURING THE BUDGET SINCE IT'S RELATED TO OKAY.
AS LONG AS, AS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
IN A PUBLIC SETTING IS ALL I'M SAYING, SO OF COURSE.
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ALRIGHT.WITH THAT WE SEEM TO BE OUT OF AGENDA ITEMS FOR TONIGHT AND SO IT IS 9 0 9 AND WE'RE ADJOURNED FOR THE EVENING.