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[Call to Order]
GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.AND WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 14TH, 2026.
AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT WITH ALL MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.
[Public Comment]
GO TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC COMMENT.THE CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THE SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW.
THE COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSS ANY ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
I DO HAVE A FEW REQUESTS TO SPEAK.
UH, WE'LL GO WITH THE ONLINE ONE THAT CAME IN FIRST, AND THAT IS ALAN THIN AND WE'LL CALL HIM, UM, I DISCUSSED, IF YOU DON'T MIND, REMO? SURE.
AND IF YOU'LL GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M GUILLERMO QUINTANILLA, 41 15 RUSH CIRCLE.
I'M GONNA BE VERY DIRECT TONIGHT.
THERE IS INACCURATE AND EXAGGERATED INFORMATION NOW BEING BROADCAST TO ADDISON RESIDENTS ABOUT THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
AND I THINK COUNCIL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO CORRECT THE RECORD.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTS ASKING HARD QUESTIONS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT CHANGING WHAT THE TOWN'S OWN PRESENTATION SAYS.
THE PRESENTATION FORECAST A 50% INCREASE IN AIRPORT OPERATIONS BETWEEN 2025 AND 2044 THAT IS NOW BEING BROADCAST AS THEY WANTED TO EXPAND AIRPORT OPERATIONS BY 50%.
A FORECAST IS NOT A TOWN GOAL.
THE PRESENTATION PROJECTS 38.1% INCREASE IN GEOGRAPHIC AREA WITHIN THE 65 DECIBEL NOISE CONTOUR THAT IS NOW BEING BROADCAST AS 38% MORE AIRCRAFT NOISE.
THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME MEASUREMENTS.
THE PRESENTATION RECOMMENDS A RUNWAY EXTENSION IDENTIFY IDENTIFIED FOR RUNWAY ONE 60 DEPARTURES AND DEPARTURES ONLY THAT HAS NOW BECOME EXTEND RUNWAYS TO ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT.
I CANNOT FIND THAT STATED ANYWHERE IN THE PRESENTATION.
OTHERS HAVE CHANGED IT TO A PLAN DESIGNED TO ENCOURAGE LARGER AIRCRAFT.
AGAIN, THAT IS NOT WHAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION.
A NEARLY 1000 FOOT RUNWAY EXTENSION IS A LEGITIMATE SUBJECT FOR PUBLIC DEBATE.
A LARGER RUNWAY IS A LEGITIMATE SUBJECT FOR PUBLIC DEBATE.
PROJECTED INCREASES IN OPERATION AND CHANGES IN MODEL NOISE EXPOSURE ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.
WE DON'T NEED TO MANUFACTURE ADDITIONAL FACTS TO HAVE THAT DEBATE.
THE TOWN SAYS IT IS FORECASTING FUTURE ACTIVITY AND PLANNING INFRASTRUCTURE IN ADVANCE OF DEMAND.
THE PUBLIC NARRATIVE BEING CIRCULATED SAYS THE TOWN WANTS 50% MORE FLIGHTS, IS EXPANDING THE RUNWAY FOR COMMERCIAL OR BIGGER AIRPLANES AND WILL CREATE 38% MORE NOISE.
THAT IS A MATERIALLY DIFFERENT STORY.
COUNSEL, YOU NOW HAVE RESIDENTS RECEIVING THIS INFORMATION BY MASS EMAILS AND THROUGH AN ONLINE PETITION.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CORRECTING THE RECORD? BECAUSE SILENCE ALLOWS REPETITION TO BECOME ACCEPTED AS FACT.
I'M ASKING COUNSEL AND STAFF TO PUBLISH A PLAIN LANGUAGE FACT SHEET.
NOT ADVOCACY, NOT SPIN, JUST HERE'S WHAT THE PLAN SAYS.
HERE IS WHAT IS FORECAST, HERE IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED, AND HERE IS WHAT HAS AND HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED.
RESIDENTS DESERVE AN HONEST DEBATE BASED ON ACTUAL AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
I'M CALLING TRISH STEWART, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UM, TRICIA STEWART.
I ASSUME WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT BEFORE WE START, BEFORE YOU REVIEW THIS MASTER PLAN, I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT YOU'RE GIVING AWAY NOT ONLY OUR CONTROL OF OUR AIRPORT, BUT ANY LEVERAGE THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN OF ADDISON HAVE REGARDING OUR COMMUNITY.
I DON'T CARE IF IT TAKES ANOTHER YEAR FOR US TO PLAN OUR FUTURE WITHOUT HAVING THE NOISE AND THE THE AIR POLLUTION CONSIDERED BEFORE YOU GO FORWARD IS, IS NOT PRUDENT.
UM, YES, THERE ARE SOME THINGS OUT THERE THAT COULD SEEM TO BE HYPE, BUT I THINK THAT AS WE
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KNOW THAT, UH, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD PUT A PLAYGROUND IN MY BACKYARD AND I WOULD SAY, OH, IT'S ONLY FOR ME TO USE A SWING EVERY NOW AND THEN.AND THEN SUDDENLY I HAVE A PLAYGROUND FULL OF, OF CHILDREN AND NOISE.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO THINK MORE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING AWAY ONCE WE ALLOW A WIDER RUNWAY, ONCE WE ALLOW MORE NOISE, ONCE WE ALLOW MORE OPERATIONS.
SO YES, WE CAN LOOK AT THE FUTURE AND WE CAN LOOK AT HOW THINGS MAY DEVELOP OVER TIME WHEN WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL AND WE'VE GIVEN AWAY CONTROL TO THE FAA WITH THE GRANTS THAT WE ACCEPT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER MORE COMMUNITY INPUT AND NOISE STUDY.
AND, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE NOISE STUDY, THEN PLEASE TAP INTO OUR LOCAL UNIVERSITIES AND OUR LOCAL RESOURCES TO HELP GET THAT INFORMATION.
UH, SAM ORCA, UM, 15 8 0 1 ARTIST.
ANYWAY, UM, I AGREE WITH THE OTHER SPEAKERS.
YOU KNOW, I I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT AND, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING.
UH, WHY DO WE VOTE IN A TRAIN AND IT GOES TO THE AIRPORT? WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER COMMERCIAL AIRPORT? AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF YOU PUT THOSE BIG JETS IN THERE.
UM, I MEAN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, I'VE USED IT.
IT'S EASY TO GET TO THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, UH, DALLAS, UH, FORT WORTH AIRPORT.
IT'S ALSO EASY TO GET TO THE OTHER AIRPORT LOVE FIELD.
AND, UM, THE ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS JUST ADD MORE POLLUTION, UH, MORE NOISE.
AND I LIVE, UH, IN, ON THE FOURTH FLOOR FACING, UH, OR, UM, EDISON BOULEVARD.
AND A NOISE IS TERRIBLE AND YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE TERRIBLE NOW IT'S GONNA BE TERRIBLE MORE LATER ON.
SO, UM, WE'VE GOT TWO BIG AIRPORTS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO, UH, ALLOW THEM TO PUT A COMMERCIAL AIRLINES IN THERE.
AND, UM, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
BUT, UH, I DO AGREE WITH THE, THE, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.
AND, UH, AND IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF, UH, ADDISON AND WHAT WE WANT.
I I, I'D SAY THE MAJORITY OF THEM, IF YOU DID A YES AND A NO LIST, I THINK THE NOS WOULD WIN IN THE LONG RUN.
CALL, UH, ALAN THIN, UH, ALEX, DAN LAKE FOREST DRIVE, ADDISON, TEXAS.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
SO I'D LIKE, UM, A LITTLE LATITUDE TO MAYBE GO OVER THE THREE MINUTES SINCE I'M TRYING TO COVER TWO ITEMS I COULD, WHAT YOU THEN I'M ASKING A LITTLE LATITUDE ON TIME SINCE I'M TRYING TO COVER TWO ITEMS. I'M TRYING TO PUT THE BUDGET ITEM AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE OUT.
OKAY? I'M, I'M ASKING FOR YOUR DISCRETION.
YOU COULD CHOOSE TO, TO DO THAT OR NOT.
UM, I JUST GAVE YOU MY RESPONSE.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT OPEN RECORDS RULES, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT, ALLOW ME THREE MINUTES FOR EACH AGENDA ITEM.
UH, I'M NOT SPEAKING YET AS TO THE ITEM.
THE CLOCK IS RUNNING, SIR, WE'RE GIFTED WITH AN INCREDIBLY ABUNDANT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE IN ADDISON WITH OUR AIRPORT LAND.
AND THE GOAL OF THE AIRPORTS MUST BE CLEARLY AND CONCISELY ARTICULATED BY THIS COUNCIL, ARE OUR GOALS FOR A LARGER, BUSIER NOISIER AIRPORT? OR IS IT MORE DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTED OF THE BROADER TOWN AREA? OR IS OUR GOAL TO BE AN AIRPORT THAT'S THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE OF DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES AND A RETURN TO THE GREATEST SHARE OF REVENUE TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY OF THE TOWN? I KNOW MY VOTE, I'D BE INTERESTED IN YOURS.
WILL YOU DISPLAY THE COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THE BROADER COMMUNITY? OR WILL YOU LEAVE US FEARFUL AND CONTINUED INDENTURED SERVANTS TO THE FAA AND TNO? YOU'LL SEE IT PRESENTATION TONIGHT ON THE MASTER PLAN, THE PROCESS OF WHICH WILL LEAD TO LARGER RUNWAYS AND MORE TRAFFIC.
BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO, TO SUSPEND YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE AT IMPORT IS AND REPRESENTS.
INSTEAD, LET ME OUTLINE THE AIRPORT AS A VALUE COMMUNITY ASSET AND HOW IT RELATES TO OUR BUDGET.
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IT IS APPROXIMATELY ONE SQUARE MILE AREA.IT'S 640 ACRES IN OVER 20% OF OUR TOWN.
CONSIDER THAT RECENTLY THE DAVER DALLAS MAVERICKS PLAYED $2.5 MILLION FOR ONE ACRE IN THE VALLEY VIEW MALL.
THAT PUTS THE APPROXIMATE VALUE OF OUR AIRPORT AT $1.5 BILLION.
THOSE ARE BIG NUMBERS THAT ARE HARD TO UNDERSTAND, BUT LET'S PUT THAT IN CONTEXT.
IF WE TOOK 1 BILLION OF THAT MONEY AND WE PUT IT IN A TRUST FUND FOR THE CITY OF ADDISON AND IT PAID A MODEST 5%, THAT WOULD GENERATE $50 MILLION A YEAR, THAT'S THE ENTIRE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE TOWN.
DO WE GET THAT TODAY FROM THE AIRPORT? DO WE GET HALF THAT TODAY FROM THE AIRPORT? DO WE GET A QUARTER OF THAT TODAY FROM THE AIRPORT? FROM, MANY WILL SAY THAT THIS CAN'T BE DONE OR CONSIDERED BECAUSE IT'S OUR IDENTITY.
IT'S OUR IDENTITY, BUT IT CAN BE DONE AND IT HAS BEEN DONE.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE CASE OF THE SANTA MONICA AIRPORT, WHICH ISS SET TO CLOSE PERMANENTLY ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2028, AFTER BEING IN ALTERATION SINCE 1923 AND ASK HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IT.
A BILLION DOLLARS, PAYS A LOT OF FAA GRANTS BACK AND GIVES US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY TO USE THE ASSET OF THE COMMUNITY IN THE MOST PRODUCTIVE WAY WE CAN.
ALRIGHT, THOSE ARE THE, UH, SPEAKER REQUESTS THAT I HAD.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
MAYOR, WE ARE HAVING SOME, UH, SWAGS HAVING SOME NETWORK ISSUES.
IF WE COULD TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND LET THEM FIX IT SO WE CAN BE LIVE OKAY FOR FOLKS WATCHING AT HOME.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
IT IS 5 23 AND WE ARE COMING BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK.
IT SOUNDED LIKE WE HAVE OUR, UH, TECHNO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, UH, CORRECTED.
UH, WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WERE SENT IN THAT WILL BE MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD AND THOSE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, THOSE COMMENTS CAME FROM DANA MEYERS AND TRICIA STEWART.
AND, UH, JUST SO THE COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT'S, UH, COMING UP ALSO AT SIX 30, WE'LL BE, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BREAK.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE FINISHED WITH OUR WORK SESSION BY SIX 30, BUT EITHER WAY, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL, UH, RECESS AND GO INTO THE NEXT ROOM FOR RECEPTION FOR THE HOMETOWN HEROES.
SO THAT'LL BE AT SIX 30 AND THEN WE'LL GO STRAIGHT FROM THERE TO OUR REGULAR MEETING.
[Council Member Clarification on Consent Agenda Items]
UH, GOING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARIFICATION REQUESTS ARE CARD REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED ON CONSENT ITEMS TONIGHT? NO.AND THE THREE A COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SEND TO STAFF, UH, REGARDING, UH, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
THOSE, THOSE RESPONSES ARE PREPARED BY STAFF PUT INTO A SINGLE DOCUMENT THEN SENT OUT TO THE COUNCIL AHEAD OF TIME.
AND THAT SAME DOCUMENT IS UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE, TO THE TOWN WEBSITE FOR ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC TO, TO, UH, DOWNLOAD THAT DOCUMENT.
AND YOU JUST DO THAT BY GOING TO THE AGENDA, UH, ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, ADDISON TX.GOV, AND THERE'LL BE A LINK WITHIN THE AGENDA TO DOWNLOAD THE Q AND A DOCUMENT.
[a. Present and discuss an update on the Airport Master Plan.]
ALRIGHT, ITEM FOUR, WORK SESSION REPORTS FOR A PRESENT AND DISCUSS AND UPDATE ON THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.GOOD EVENING COUNSEL, CITY MANAGER, JAMIE RASA, UH, ADDISON AIRPORT DIRECTOR, AND I AM HERE TO PRESENT ON THE CURRENT STATUS, PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE AS TO WHERE WE STAND WITH THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
AGAIN, WHAT IS AN AIRPORT MASTER PLAN? SO THE AIR AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS A PLAN WHERE WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL MAINTENANCE DEVELOPMENTS AND OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT AND WHAT IT THE POTENTIAL IS FOR THAT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
IT'S A PLANNING EFFORT DESIGNED TO IDENTIFY AND PLAN AND LOOK AT WHAT CURRENT FACILITY WE HAVE, WHAT POTENTIALLY FUTURE PRODUCTIVITY COULD LOOK LIKE, AND DETERMINE WHAT DEMAND THERE MAY BE FOR FACILITIES, GROUND-BASED FACILITIES AT THE AIRPORT.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT IT MUST INCLUDE.
IT SHOULD BE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PLANNING, WE SHOULD TAKE SAFETY AND ORALLY DEVELOPMENT INTO CONSIDERATION.
IT SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY VALUES AND GOALS, AND IT SHOULD INCLUDE A PURPOSEFUL, INCLUSIVE AND EDUCATIONAL PROCESS.
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WE HAVE BEEN USING THE 2013 ADDISON AIRPORT STRATEGIC PLAN DURING THIS PROCESS.WE LOOKED AT THE PROCESS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE 2013 ADDISON AIRPORT STRATEGIC PLAN WAS LOOKED AT TO SEE THAT IT WAS STILL VIABLE, THAT IT WAS STILL, UM, A DOCUMENT THAT COULD BE USED, THAT IT WAS STILL APPLICABLE, IF YOU WILL.
AND THAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE CASE.
REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT THROUGH TXDOT, THE FUNDS ARE PROVIDED THROUGH TDOT AND IT, AND IT APPROVES THE TRAFFIC FORECAST AND THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN.
ALL OF THE AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN.
AND THEN TDOT WILL CONDITIONALLY ENDORSE THE PROJECTS FOLLOWING THE REVIEW OF THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN AND ITS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROGRAM PROCESS PENDING ENVIRONMENTAL APPROVALS BECAUSE ANY PROJECT THAT WE HAVE AT THE AIRPORT REALLY HAS TO GO THROUGH AN ENVIRONMENTAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW IS WE ARE ON PHASE FOUR OF FIVE.
SO WE HAVE COMPLETED SEC, UH, PHASES ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
CERTAIN KEY ELEMENTS WERE FOUND, UH, AS WE WENT THROUGH, UH, PHASE TWO AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN WE LOOK AT FORECAST, THE FORECASTS ARE BASED ON LOCAL AND NATIONAL TRENDS.
WILL THOSE FORECASTS MATERIALIZE AS WE PREDICT THEM IN THE FORECAST? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
RECENTLY, ESPECIALLY IN THE YEARS SINCE THE PANDEMIC, WE HAVE HAD AN INCREASE IN OPERATIONS.
BUT AS YOU SAW IN THE REPORT RELATED TO THE AIRPORT THROUGH SECOND QUARTER OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, TOTAL OPERATIONS ARE ACTUALLY DOWN AT THE AIRPORT RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF A KEY TAKEAWAY FROM THE FORECAST RELATED TO THE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THAT MAY BE WHEN WE'RE FORECASTING TO HAVE WHAT YOU SEE AT THE AIRPORT, BOTH A MIX OF SMALL GA AND MORE LARGER JETS, THE CORPORATE JETS THAT WE HAVE, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE FORECAST TO CONTINUE TO SEE AT THE ADDISON AIRPORT IN TERMS OF OUR FACILITIES, OUR, SO THE SOLUTIONS, WE WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF PHASE THREE TO LOOK AT SOLUTIONS AND ALL OF THE SOLUTIONS WE LOOKED AT.
WE ARE LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE SAME TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THAT CURRENTLY SERVE THE ADDISON AIRPORT AND OPERATE AT THE ADDISON AIRPORT.
AND NOW WE'VE REACHED, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL PLANNING OF WHAT THE COSTS ARE RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, LOOKING AT HOW THAT FITS INTO, UH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THEN FINALIZING THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF, INCLUDING THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN.
SO AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION, WE ARE, WE WILL BE TOUCHING UPON WHAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS WE'VE HAD UP TO THIS POINT, WHAT THE FINAL ALTERNATIVES, ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, WHICH WILL BE SHOWN ALSO ON THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN.
WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE CURRENT ADDISON VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM BECAUSE A, AN UPDATE OF THE NOISE CONTOURS IS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THOSE, UH, EXPOSURE CONTOURS.
AND THEN AT THE END WE'LL DISCUSS AN AIRPORT ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY THAT HAS BEEN CONDUCTED SEPARATELY.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, WHAT ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS WE'VE HAD WITH COMMUNITY UP TO THIS POINT, WHEN I FIRST STARTED, WHICH I'M AT MONTH 11, UH, SINCE I BEGAN AUG IN AUGUST OF 25, WHEN I BEGAN, WE HAD APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE BIT OVER A HUNDRED COMMUNITY SURVEY RESPONSES AND ABOUT 30, A LITTLE BIT OVER 30 USER SURVEY RESPONSES FOR THE MASTER PLAN.
I WAS SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT EVEN FOR LARGE AIRPORTS, THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY TYPICAL WHEN AIRPORTS SEEK FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM THE USERS OF THE AIRPORT.
BUT ADDISON, AS YOU KNOW, IS NOT A TYPICAL COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE WENT THROUGH A SECOND ROUND OF SEEKING, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHICH RESULTED IN ALMOST 400 COMMUNITY SURVEY RESPONSES AND 76 USER SURVEY RESPONSES.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS I SPEAK WITH BOTH WILPERT WHO HAS BEEN ASSISTING US WITH THIS EFFORT AND COLLEAGUES IN THE INDUSTRY.
THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF SURVEYS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED RELATED TO THE MASTER PLAN.
IN TERMS OF PROJECT MEETINGS, WE HAVE TWO COMMITTEES.
WE HAVE A PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE A PROJECT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
UH, WE JUST HELD PROJECT, UH, MEETING NUMBER SIX.
THAT WAS, UH, THE ORIGINAL DATE THAT WAS CHANGED TO TODAY.
SO TODAY THE PROJECT STEERING THIS MORNING AT 8:00 AM MET, UH, FOR MEETING NUMBER SIX.
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EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MET LAST WEEK FOR MEETING NUMBER FIVE.WE'VE ALSO HAD A NUMBER OF TXDOT AND FAA COLLABORATION MEETINGS SEPARATE FROM THIS.
ALTHOUGH AT THE PROJECT EXECUTIVE MEETING LAST WEEK, WE DID HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM TDOT AT THAT MEETING AS PART OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS, WE DO HAVE A WEBSITE THAT HAS BEEN CREATED, I BELIEVE IT IS ADDISON AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.COM, WHERE ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU, THE PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE PROJECT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED ARE ALL LISTED ON THAT WEBSITE.
ON, ON THAT WEBSITE, THERE IS ALSO A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, UH, DOCUMENT THAT YOU WILL FIND, AND THAT STEMS FROM QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED TO THE AIRPORT IN SOME INSTANCES APPLICABLE TO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLANS AND SOME NOT APPLICABLE.
BUT WE ENCAPSULATED ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND PUT TOGETHER AN FAQ, IF YOU WILL, DOCUMENT THAT IS FOUND ON THAT WEBSITE.
WE ALSO, UH, HAVE THE DRAFT NOISE EXPOSURE, CONTOURS AND A DRAFT ALTERNATIVES AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN AND IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTERS ON THAT WEBSITE.
AS OF NOW, WE'VE COMPLETED AIRPORT TOURS FOR THE PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
WE'VE HAD THE MEETINGS THAT YOU SEE LISTED THERE FOR THE EXECUTIVE AND THE STEERING COMMITTEES COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WHICH, UM, WE'VE HAD NOW INCLUDING ONE LAST NIGHT, UH, RELATED TO THE MASTER PLAN.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THESE COUNCIL BRIEFINGS, WHICH THIS IS NUMBER THREE ON THE LIST.
AND OF COURSE, WE WILL HAVE A SERIES OF FINAL PROJECT MEETINGS RELATED TO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, WHICH RIGHT NOW ARE SCHEDULED FOR THE SEPTEMBER TIME PERIOD.
IN TERMS OF THE ADDISON AIRPORT ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS, WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT AREAS.
WE LOOK AT THE AIRSIDE FACILITIES, SO WE LOOK AT THE RUNWAYS, THE TAXIWAYS, TAXI LANES, RAMPS.
WE LOOK AT LANDSIDE FACILITIES, SO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE HANGERS ARE, THE STREETS SURROUNDING THE AIRPORT.
WE'VE, UH, ESPECIALLY AS WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THE PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE PROJECT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, WE LOOK AT THE INTEGRATION WITH OTHER PLANNING INITIATIVES THAT THE TOWN HAS GOING ON.
AND THEN THERE ARE SPECIAL TOPICS THAT WE ALSO DISCUSS AS PART OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
THIS MAP SHOWS YOU WHAT OUR CURRENT FACILITIES LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE LENGTH OF OUR RUNWAY IS RIGHT NOW, WHAT THE WIDTH IS, UM, WHERE THE RUNWAY DEPARTURE END AND THE THRESHOLD LANDINGS.
IT BASICALLY, THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED.
THIS IS OUR INVENTORY, IF YOU WILL, ON THE AIR SIDE WHERE THE AIRCRAFT NAVIGATES, UM, OF OUR FACILITY OVERALL, THIS IS A DEPICTION OF PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PROGRESS.
SO, UM, LAST YEAR IN 2025, WE COMPLETED THE GREENISH AREA IN THE MIDDLE, UH, FOR TAX RATE.
BRAVO, WHICH ON THIS DEPICTION IS ON THE, ON THE TOP PART OF THE, UH, THIS, UH, DIAGRAM.
WE EXTENDED TAXO E BRAVO BY APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE BIT OVER 2000 LINEAR FEET.
UM, AND THAT'S TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS TO TENANTS AND USERS OVER ON THE WEST SIDE.
PHASE TWO UM, INCLUDES THE EXTENSION OF TAXIWAY BRAVO TO THE NORTH TO THE NORTH END OF THE RUNWAY, 1 6 3 4.
THAT IS SHOWN IN BLUE, UM, ON THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF THAT, UH, DEPICTION.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, AS PART OF TAX AWAY BRAVO, THE PRO PHASE ONE THAT WE COMPLETED LAST YEAR, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF TAX AWAY, UH, GEOMETRIES THAT WE ALSO COMPLETED, WHICH ARE SHOWN IN RED, UM, THE ELIMINATION AND THE ADDITION OF OTHER AREAS, WHICH ARE ALSO SHOWN IN GREEN ON THE FAR LEFT AS PART OF PHASE ONE.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROJECTS, UH, THAT WE HAVE GOING ON AS PART OF THE EXTENSION TO THE VERY NORTH END OF TAX WAVE BRAVO, WE ARE LOOKING AT NAVIGATIONAL AID EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENTS, WHICH ARE RELATED TO THE INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM.
SO THAT INCLUDES LOCALIZER WORK AND GLIDE SLOPE WORK FOR THE ILS SYSTEMS. AND THOSE ARE AS A RESULT OF PHASE TWO OF THE TAX RATE BRAVO EXTENSION PROJECT.
WHEN WE LOOK AT AIRSIDE AND WE LOOK AT FORECAST AND DEMAND AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE AIRPORT MORE EFFICIENT, IF YOU WILL, WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE AIRFIELD DEMAND CAPACITY, HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE A BETTER CAPACITY AND MAKE THE AIRPORT MORE EFFICIENT? A RECOMMENDATION IS THE INCLUSION OF HIGH SPEED TAXIWAYS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT MAKING THE AIRPORT STANDARD, MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE AIRCRAFT THAT WE HAVE OPERATING CURRENTLY.
ONE EXAMPLE IS THE RUNWAY WITH, FOR THE, THE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT OF THE SIZE THAT WE
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HAVE AT, UH, ADDISON AIRPORT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE DEMAND FOR THAT'S CALLED THOSE AIRCRAFT IS IN, ARE CALLED, ARE, ARE IN A GROUP CALLED AIRCRAFT DESIGN GROUP THREE, THE STANDARD FOR AIRCRAFT DESIGN.GROUP THREE IS THAT WE HAVE A 150 FOOT RUNWAY RIGHT NOW.
THOSE AIRCRAFT ARE OPERATING ON OUR CURRENT 100 FOOT WIDE RUNWAY THAT WORKS, BUT IT'S NOT WITHIN THE STANDARD.
SO AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT UPDATING THE FACILITY, WE LOOK AT AT LEAST BRINGING THE AIRPORT TO STANDARDS, WHICH IN THIS CASE WE'RE RUNWAY WIDTH WOULD BE TO WIDEN IT TO 150 FEET.
WHEN WE LOOK AT RUNWAY AND TAXI SEPARATION COMPLIANCE, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 400 FEET STANDARD BETWEEN THE CENTER LINE OF THE RUNWAY AND THE CENTER LINE OF THE TAXIWAY.
WHEN WE LOOK AT TAXIWAY ALPHA, WHICH IS THE TAXIWAY THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RUNWAY, IT IS NOT WITHIN THAT STANDARD.
THERE'S ONLY 300 FEET THERE, AND THAT REQUIRES SOMETHING CALLED, UM, UM, MY MINE WENT BLACK.
UM, UM, YES, BUT THE PARTICULAR AREA, JIM, IS CALLED THE HOTSPOTS.
WE HAVE HOTSPOTS ALL ALONG TAXIWAY ALPHA.
UM, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE HOTSPOTS, WE DON'T HAVE THE 400 FEET STANDARD.
WE'RE OPERATING UNDER A MODIFICATION OF STANDARDS WITH FA THAT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO USE THE AIRFIELD LIKE WE HAVE BEEN ALL OF THESE YEARS UTILIZING THAT 300 FEET.
BUT WE LOOK AT AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET US TO THE STANDARD 400 FEET? SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THAT.
AND WE LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL TO RELOCATE THE RUNWAY, RELOCATE THE TAXIWAY, ELIMINATE RAMP SPACE, ELIMINATE, UH, TENANT USE AREAS.
UM, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE AS PART OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE LOOK AT THE RUNWAY LENGTH.
ANOTHER ONE, WE TO EXTEND THE RUNWAY FOR TAKEOFF ONLY FOR RUNWAY ONE SIX.
AND A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, RELATED TO THE, THE TAKEOFF CAPABILITY OF ONE SIX IS TO GIVE A 1000 FOOT HEAD START TO DEPARTING AIRCRAFT IN PART SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THEIR TURN TO THE EAST SOONER, THEREBY AVOIDING FLYING OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA, TAXIWAYS AND TAXI LANES GEOMETRY IMPROVEMENTS.
THE 1 6 3 4 ISN'T EXACTLY NORTH SOUTH, SO IT, THE RUNWAY IS AT AN ANGLE AND THAT CREATES SOME GEOME GEOMETRIC CHALLENGES THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK TO IMPROVE UPON.
AND THOSE ARE SHOWN ON THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AS PART OF PAVEMENT.
OF COURSE, WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR PAVEMENT.
SO THE MASTER PLAN INDICATES THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT NAVIGATIONAL AIDS EQUIPMENT LIKE THE ILSS NEEDING TO BE RELOCATED, THE GLIDE SLOPE AND THE LOCALIZER AS PART OF THE TAX RATE.
BRAVO EXTENSION, WE LOOK AT MARKINGS AND LIGHTING.
THERE IS A INDUSTRY PUSH TO CHANGE THE LIGHTING FROM YOUR MORE TRADITIONAL LIGHTING SYSTEMS TO MORE EFFICIENT LIGHTING SYSTEMS. SO WE LOOK AT THE, UH, MAKING ALL THE LIGHTING, LED LIGHTING AND THEN OF COURSE OBSTRUCTIONS AND OBSTRUCTIONS.
WHAT THOSE ARE, ARE ANYTHING THAT IS TALL AROUND AN AIRPORT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE A SAFETY ISSUE RELATED TO AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS.
SO WE WANT TO ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RU WAY PROTECTION ZONES, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, PROPOSALS TO BUILD DIFFERENT FACILITIES IN AND AROUND THE AIRPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE OBSTRUCTIONS AT THE AIRPORT OR AROUND THE AIRPORT.
SO WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING PICTORIALLY ABOUT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? YES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE FOR ONE RUNWAY ONE SIX IS YOU SEE KIND OF TWO MAGENTA LINES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE RUNWAY, WHICH IS, UH, SHOWN LIKE IN A GRAY, BLUE, UH, DEPICTION.
THAT'S YOUR RUNWAY WITH EXTENSION TO GO FROM A HUNDRED FEET TO 150 FEET.
THEN AT THE NORTH END, WHICH IS DEPICTED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE IMAGE, YOU SEE A PURPLE AREA THAT'S YOUR A THOUSAND FOOT RUNWAY EXTENSION.
AND THAT AGAIN, WOULD ONLY BE FOR AIRCRAFT DEPARTING TO THE SOUTH.
SO FROM RIGHT TO LEFT IN THIS DEPICTION ONLY FOR DEPARTURES, AND THAT GIVES A 1000 FOOT HEAD START NORTH SO THAT WHEN AIRCRAFT ARE DEPARTING TO THE SOUTH AND BECAUSE OF THE AIRSPACE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE ABOVE THE ADDISON AIRPORT, THEY CAN TURN LEFT SOONER.
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RESULT IN LESS FLIGHTS POTENTIALLY FLYING OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.ANOTHER AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FROM TIME TO TIME, IF YOU'RE WORKING IN THIS BUILDING, YOU MAY HEAR HUM HUMMING, UH, THAT EMANATES FROM THE AIRPORT.
THOSE ARE DUE TO ENGINE RUNS, RIGHT? THE ENGINE RUNS ARE DONE AFTER WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON AIRCRAFT, PARTICULARLY THE ENGINES.
YOU WANNA TEST THE ENGINES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE HAS, UH, NOT RESULTED IN THE AIR, UH, THE ENGINE NOT WORKING CORRECTLY.
RIGHT NOW, OUR ENGINE RUN-UPS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE AIRFIELD AT THE NORTH END AND THE SOUTH END OF TAXO ALPHA.
AS PART OF THIS, YOU'LL SEE AT THE TOP TOWARDS THE RIGHT IT SAYS RUNUP PAD FOR AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE NOISE DISPERSAL.
WE ARE LOOKING AT RELOCATING THE RUNUP AREAS FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE AIRFIELD TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE AIRFIELD, WHERE YOU ARE FURTHER AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND MORE IN COMMERCIAL, UM, AREAS, UH, OF THE, UH, TOWN.
THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE AS TO A MATERIAL CHANGE OR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE MAKING AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN THAT WILL ADDRESS NOISE, BOTH THE EXTENSION OF THE RUNWAY AND THE RUNUP PAD.
UM, LIKEWISE, AS PART OF, AND, AND WE'LL GO INTO THE SPECIFICS LATER AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, THE CURRENT NOISE CONTOURS ARE ALSO UPDATED AND WE WILL SEE THOSE AS WELL.
BUT IN TERMS OF EFFICIENCY, UM, YOU'LL SEE HIGH SPEED TAXIWAYS ALSO ON THIS DEPICTION.
THOSE HIGH SPEED TAXIWAYS ARE DESIGNED THAT WHEN AN AIRCRAFT LANDS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO A COMPLETE STOP TO BE ABLE TO EXIT THE RUNWAY AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE.
WITH THE HIGH SPEED TAXIWAYS, AS THE NAME IMPLIES, YOU ARE ABLE TO EXIT THE RUNWAY A LITTLE BIT FASTER, THEREBY ALLOWING THE NEXT PERSON BEHIND YOU THE ABILITY TO LAND, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT FULL STOP TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE 90 DEGREE TURN OFF THE RUNWAY.
AND THEN WE ALSO DEPICT ON HERE, UM, THE LOCALIZER CHANGES THE GLIDE SLOPE RELOCATIONS.
UM, AND THESE ARE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS LOOK LIKE, PICTORIALLY, UH, FROM THE MASTER PLAN.
WHEN WE LOOK AT LANDSIDE FACILITIES, LET'S START WITH THE COLORS.
SO THE GREEN AREAS ON THIS DEPICTION ARE AREAS THAT THE TOWN OF ADDISON THAT THE ADDISON AIRPORT OWNS, THESE ARE TOWN OWNED PROPERTIES.
THE BLUE PROPERTIES ARE PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT RIGHT NOW HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A THROUGH THE FENCE AGREEMENT.
THAT MEANS THEY'RE PRIVATELY OWNED, THEY'RE PRIVATELY MANAGED, BUT AIRCRAFT ARE LOCATED IN THOSE FACILITIES AND THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE AIRPORT.
THEY HAVE ACCESS THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED THE THROUGH THE FENCE PERMIT THAT IS, UH, THAT WE PROVIDE AT THE ADDISON AIRPORT, UH, FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT ACCESS AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.
AND THIS IS A, A QUESTION THAT WAS FIELDED TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AGO.
IT DOES SAY THAT WHEN THE BLUE AREAS, IF THEY EVER BECOME AVAILABLE, THAT THE AIRPORT AND THE TOWN SHOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF THOSE PRIVATE BLUE LANDS.
WHY? BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PRIVATE OWNER, UPON SELLING THAT LAND, CONTINUES TO USE THAT LAND FOR AERONAUTICAL PURPOSES AND NOT PUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AIRPORT THERE.
RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, A HIGH RISE BUILDING, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WOULD NOT BECOME COMPATIBLE REALLY.
BUT REALLY WE ARE ENCOURAGED BY THE FA THAT WHENEVER THROUGH THE FENCE LAND BECOMES AVAILABLE, THAT WE SEEK TO BE ABLE TO BUY IT.
IN PART BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW HERE AT ADDISON, THERE IS DEMAND FOR CONTINUING TO USE THE AIRPORT FOR AERONAUTICAL PURPOSES, WHETHER IT'S FOR SMALL HANGERS, MEDIUM HANGERS, OR LARGE HANGERS.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DEPICTED AS PART OF THIS, UH, DIAGRAM.
AND SO THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE THROUGH THE PROJECT EXER, UH, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, THROUGH THE PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE AS TO, UM, THE FUTURE OF SOME OF THESE AREAS.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, RECENTLY, UH, AS PART OF REDEVELOPMENT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE COMPLETED NOW SKY HARBOR, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND DEVELOPED SIX HANGERS TOTALING OVER 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF HANGAR SPACE THROUGH PHASE ONE.
CURRENTLY WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF SKY HARBOR PHASE TWO, WE'LL BE ADDING, WHICH WE'LL BE ADDING ANOTHER FOUR HANGERS TOTALING OVER 80,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT IS FOUND, UH, IN PARTS OF NEIGHBORHOOD
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VICTOR AND NEIGHBORHOOD UNIFORM.LIKEWISE, THERE HAVE BEEN IMPROVEMENTS THAT ATLANTIC AVIATION HAS DONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TANGO AREA AND GALAXY, OF COURSE, A FEW YEARS AGO, DID ITS IMPROVEMENT THROUGH ITS FABULOUS FACILITIES OVER IN THE QUEBEC GALAXY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE FUTURE.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS OVER ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO AT THE TOP PORTION OF THIS DEPICTION, YOU SEE MIKE M THAT'S FIVE ACRES OF LAND THAT UPON COMPLETION OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, THE TOWN MAY ELECT TO ISSUE AN RFQ FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA.
UM, WE ALSO LIKEWISE HAVE NOVEMBER AREA RIGHT NOW.
NOVEMBER RIGHT NOW IS WHERE AND EXACTLY WHERE THAT END IS.
UH, ON THE LEFT TOP PART OF THE DEPICTION IS WHERE OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE POTENTIAL TO RELOCATE OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY, AND THAT WOULD MAKE NOVEMBER AVAILABLE AGAIN FOR HANGERS BECAUSE OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY RIGHT NOW IS UTILIZING THREE HANGERS, WHICH THREE HANGERS WOULD BE GREAT TO UTILIZE FOR PLANES AND NOT NECESSARILY FOR EQUIPMENT SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS.
UM, LIKEWISE, OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY DISCUSSED FOR REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES INCLUDE THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THIS DEPICTION, WHICH ARE ROMEO, SIERRA, AND TANGO, THE PORTIONS IN GRAY THAT YOU SEE, UM, ON THIS DEPICTION.
AND SO THOSE, AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH TO DETERMINE WHAT MIGHT WORK IN THOSE AREAS, THE COMPATIBILITY OF THOSE AREAS.
DOES THE TAXI LANE THAT LEADS INTO THOSE AREAS, IS IT WIDE ENOUGH FOR LARGER AIRCRAFT? IS IT SMALLER? SO THEREFORE IT SHOULD BE FOR SMALLER AIRCRAFT.
UM, THOSE TYPE OF, UH, CRITERIA, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS THROUGH BOTH COMMITTEES.
AND HERE THE COMMITTEES HAVE COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THOSE AREAS.
SO YOU'LL SEE TAX NOVEMBER NEIGHBORHOOD ALTER, UH, ALTERNATIVE ONE, ALTERNATIVE TWO, THE SAME FOR MIKE.
FOR SIERRA, IT ACTUALLY HAS THREE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THROUGH THE COMMITTEES.
SAME WITH ROMEO, THREE ALTERNATIVES AND TANGO THREE ALTERNATIVES.
ONE THING THAT I REALLY WANT TO NOTE IS THAT AS YOU LOOK AT THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN ON THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN, YOU WILL SEE THE LARGER FACILITIES DEPICTED ON THERE.
WHY? THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN WE REVIEW THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN AND PROVIDE THAT TO T DOT AND TO FA FOR THEIR REVIEW, THEY REVIEW IT AGAINST ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE REGULATIONS, REGULATIONS RELATED TO ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS RELATED TO AIRSPACE AND OBSTRUCTIONS, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS, THE, THE, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, THE COMPATIBILITY, AGAIN, OF THE FACILITIES THAT LEAD INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE TAXI LANES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DEPICT IS THE BIGGEST POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD FIT IN THERE BECAUSE IF THEY SIGN OFF ON THAT, ANYTHING SMALLER THAN THAT WILL FIT IN THOSE AREAS.
SO IT'S EASIER TO GO FROM A BIGGER PROPOSAL THAT THEY SIGN OFF ON AND THEN BE ABLE TO POWER IT BACK TO SOMETHING SMALLER.
THEN STARTING WITH SOMETHING SMALLER AND THEN GOING BACK TO TXDOT AND FA AND SAYING, ACTUALLY, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT SMALLER DEVELOPMENT.
WE'D LIKE THIS BIGGER DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS ON THAT AS WELL.
SO IT JUST SAVES US ON TIME TO BE, BUT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE JUST THAT RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE REALLY DON'T KNOW ULTIMATELY WHAT WILL GO IN THERE.
THOSE ARE BASED ON PROPOSALS THAT WE MAY RECEIVE, WHAT THE DEMAND MAY BE AT THE TIME, THE ECONOMICS, BOTH AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.
ALL WE CAN DO IS PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD GO INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, AND HERE WE HAVE AN OVERHEAD DEPICTION AS TO WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT ROMEO, AS YOU LOOK AT SIERRA TANGO, MIKE, AND NOVEMBER, YOU'LL SEE LARGER FACILITIES IN THERE.
AND FOR THE REASON THAT I JUST WENT OVER, WHICH IS WE WANT TO GIVE THE FA THIS IS WHERE WE THINK THE MAXIMUM WOULD GO IN THERE IN TERMS OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IN THERE, IT'S JUST SO FOR REVIEW PURPOSES, THEY HAVE AND THEY CAN GIVE A FEEDBACK AND WE MAY ACTUALLY GET FEEDBACK THAT SAYS, ACTUALLY FOR WHAT
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YOU'RE DEPICTING IN HERE, IT WON'T WORK.SO YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
AT LEAST WE'RE STARTING WITH THE LARGEST AND WE CAN ALWAYS REDUCE THAT SCALE AS NEEDED AND AS WE RECEIVE PROPOSALS FOR DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S DEPICTED HERE THAT I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT OVER ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, YOU HAVE THE SERVICE CENTER AND THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR AN EXPANDED YARD PARKING LOT, UH, TO THE WEST OF THE SERVICE CENTER.
YOU ALSO HAVE A DEPICTION OF WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THE NEW AIRFIELD MAINTENANCE BUILDING TO GO.
I JUST MENTIONED THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE UTILIZING THREE HANGERS.
WE PROPOSE TO RELOCATE THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY NEXT TO THE SERVICE CENTER.
WE GET OUR VEHICLES AND OUR EQUIPMENT SERVICED BY THE AT OR AT THE SERVICE CENTER.
SO IT ONLY MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE SERVICE CENTER.
ALSO, WE HAVE SPOKEN IN THE PAST ABOUT AN AUXILIARY AVIATION FUEL FARM OR A SECONDARY FUEL FARM.
WE DEPICTED JUST SOUTH OF THAT PROPOSED AIRFIELD MAINTENANCE FACILITY, UH, WHICH IS AGAIN OFF OF WEST GROVE.
UH, SO THOSE ARE SHOWN ON THERE.
WE ALSO SHOW HERE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, ELECTRICAL CHARGING STATIONS.
THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN ABOUT ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY, RIGHT? YOUR VERTICAL TAKEOFF LANDING, YOUR CONVENTIONAL TAKEOFF ELECTRICAL VEHICLES, IF YOU WILL.
WHAT WE HAVE HAD CHALLENGES IN BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY IS A LOCATION THE TOWN OWNS AND MANAGES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY SERVE AS A CHARGING STATION LOCATION FOR THAT LEVEL OF, FOR THAT TECHNOLOGY.
IN PART BECAUSE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVE FROM MANUFACTURERS IS IT WOULD TAKE BETWEEN 45 MINUTES AND TWO HOURS TO RECHARGE THAT TECHNOLOGY, WHICH MEANS THAT THE PILOT OR THE OPERATOR WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE WAITING FOR THAT, NOT NECESSARILY INSIDE THE VEHICLE.
SO THEY WOULD THEORETICALLY BE INSIDE A BUILDING, THEORETICALLY WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE HAVE RESTROOMS. UM, AND SO WHERE WE DEPICT THESE, UH, ELECTRICAL CHARGING, CHARGING STATIONS RIGHT NOW ARE AT THE THREE FBOS, THE FIXED BASED OPERATORS, YOUR GALAXY MILLIONAIRE AND ATLANTIC, WHICH ARE THE LOCAL RIGHT NOW, THE LOGICAL, WE BELIEVE BASED ON OUR REVIEW, THE LOGICAL PLACES FOR THAT, THOSE CHARGING STATIONS TO BE BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE THEIR CUSTOMERS ESSENTIALLY.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT THAT, OH, THE LAST PART OVER ON THE FAR LEFT, UH, BOTTOM PORTION OF THIS DIAGRAM, WE HAVE A PUBLIC AIRPORT VIEWING AREA AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN SURVEYS.
THE NUMBER ONE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS WE WOULD LOVE A SPOT AT THE ADDISON AIRPORT TO VIEW THE PLANES.
NUMBER TWO IS A RESTAURANT, BY THE WAY.
SO, UH, THE AREA THAT WE ARE DEPICTING ON HERE RIGHT NOW IS I BELIEVE A LODGE BUILDING.
AND SO, UH, OUR PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE THE FUTURE PUBLIC AIRPORT VIEWING AREA AS THAT AREA, UH, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UH, THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE SURVEYS.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE HAD SOME, I'LL CALL THEM, UM, UNSOLICITED DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME, UM, DEVELOPERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENTS LIKE MIKE AT THE POTENTIAL TO ADD A RESTAURANT AT THAT LOCATION, A RESTAURANT THAT HAS A VIEW OF THE AIRFIELD, WHICH IS AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY VERY MUCH SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE SURVEYS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AGAIN AT THE, WHAT YOU WILL GET AS PART OF THE A AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN, IT WILL LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IT WILL HAVE A LOT OF DATA ON IT IN TERMS OF THE BUILDINGS, WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE, WHO'S USING IT, FOR WHAT PURPOSE ARE THEY BEING USED.
AND YOU WILL LOOK AT AGAIN, AT THE AREAS THAT AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR FUTURE POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT, YOUR MIC, NOVEMBER ROMEO, SIERRA TANGO AREAS.
AND AGAIN, AS I ILLUSTRATED, UM, THEY DEPICT THE LARGEST OF THE FACILITIES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO IN THERE SO THAT THE REVIEW FROM TXDOT COULD BE MORE THOROUGH AND REALLY DETERMINE THE LIMITATIONS BASED ON THE REGULATIONS THAT EXIST FOR THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.
OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE RELATED TO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
SO WE HAVE MADE SURE THAT THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN
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IS NOT IN THE VACUUM.WE LOOK AT WHAT OTHER PLANS EXIST WITH THE TOWN OF ADDISON, LIKE ADVANCED ADDISON 2050, LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, LIKE LOOKING AT HOW WE FIT WITHIN THE ADDISON STRATEGIC PLAN WITHIN THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN FROM 2016.
WHAT HAPPENED THERE? WHAT TRANSPIRED, UH, BASED ON THAT.
UM, AND THAT HAS BEEN, UH, BOTH BECAUSE THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAS WANTED US TO VERY MUCH ENSURE THAT WE HAVE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE REMAINING, UM, PLANS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE TOWN.
AND WITH THE HELP OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK RELATED TO, UH, INTEGRATING THE OTHER PLANS WITH THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INTEGRATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY, THE SURVEYS, THE SEEKING MORE FEEDBACK, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, PROMOTION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AS PART OF THE, THIS PROCESS, UM, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF INTEGRATION, UH, WITH THE TALENT DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS.
SO WE USE THE SAME GIS SYSTEM THAT THE REST OF THE TOWN HAS.
WE ARE USING THE SAME ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT THE REST OF THE TOWN IS USING.
IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE GIS SYSTEM, YOU WILL HAVE ACCESS TO WHAT WE HAVE AT THE AIRPORT.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, IMPROVEMENT AND A LOT OF INTEGRATION, UH, TO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE USING THE SAME SYSTEMS SO THAT THE COMMUNITY AND YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE FOR ANY OTHER FACILITY IN THE TOWN, NOT NECESSARILY AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACQUISITION OF THE, THROUGH THE FENCE TO OPERATIONS AS WE DISCUSSED THAT PRIVATE, UH, LANDS THAT EXIST AROUND THE AIRPORT.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT INTEGRATING THE POTENTIAL FOR NEW TECHNOLOGY LIKE A A M AND THE ELECTRIFICATION TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT TECHNOLOGY.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION RELATED TO OUR, UM, EFFORTS TO REFINE AND ENHANCE THE ADDISON NOISE PROGRAM, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS A VOLUNTARY NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM.
AND WE'VE PROVIDED A LOT OF EDUCATION AND INFORMATION AND BEING TRANSPARENT RELATED TO WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS, UM, AND WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO LET'S DISCUSS THE ADDISON VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM.
THE ADDISON VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM IS VOLUNTARY BASED ON A 2004 PART 1 5 0 NOISE STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED.
THAT NOISE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED IN 2004, AND A NOISE COMPATIBILITY PROGRAM WAS DERIVED FROM THAT STUDY.
THAT STUDY IS THE STUDY THAT WHERE OUR NOISE SENSITIVE AREA ACTUALLY WAS IDENTIFIED.
AND OUR NOISE SENSITIVE AREA, YOU CAN SEE DEPICTED IN THE FLYER ABOVE RIGHT, WHICH IS BELOW BELTLINE EAST OF MONFORT, WEST OF PRESTON IN NORTH OF SPRING VALLEY THAT WAS DERIVED FROM THAT PART 1 5 0 NIST STUDY, A PART ONE 50.
NO STUDY CAN ONLY LEAD TO A VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT PART ONE 50 STUDY COULD NOT LEAD TO MANDATORY NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES OR AREAS THAT ARE RESTRICTED OR ANY, ANYTHING THAT REALLY WAS REQUIRED.
AND THAT THE TOWER, THE TOWER, OUR AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER WOULD BE MANDATED TO PROVIDE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE 2005 NOISE COMPATIBILITY PROGRAM, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE FA, LED TO TODAY'S VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM.
NOW, AS PART OF AIR, THE THE AIRPORT, UH, THE VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM, WE HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF REFINEMENTS THROUGH THE YEARS, WHICH HAVE LED TO THE CREATION OF THE SLOGAN, THE WHEELS UP NOISE DOM, THE CREATION IN 2024 OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR INITIATIVE.
AS PART OF THE, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR INITIATIVE IN OCTOBER OF 2024, WE HAVE RECEIVED 103 NOISE CONCERNS RELATED TO FLIGHTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
SOME ARE OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREAS AND SOME ARE NOT OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREAS.
AS PART OF OUR LOOKING AT THE VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT AGAIN, HOW ARE WE COMMUNICATING TO THE USERS OF THE AIRPORT.
THAT IS THROUGH INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDE TO PILOTS LIKE THE FA AIRPORT FACILITY DIRECTORY REMARKS.
AND IT IS PARTICULARLY TO OUR TENANTS THROUGH THE AIRPORT RULES AND REGULATIONS.
OKAY? SO WE PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION RELATED TO STANDARDS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE TO BE ABLE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, TO BE ABLE TO FLY QUIETER, FLY OVER NON NOISE SENSITIVE AREAS.
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AND OTHER FAA OFFICES, WHETHER THAT'S THE FLIGHT STANDARDS DISTRICT OFFICE, OR WHETHER THAT'S THE AIRPORT DISTRICT'S OFFICE, OR WHETHER THAT'S THE PUBLIC RELATIONS GROUP AND THE CHIEF ENGAGEMENT OFFICER.WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AS AN EXAMPLE, ON THE FAR BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, WE, UPON MY ARRIVING INTO EDISON, I WAS ADVISED, HEY, WE NEED TO LOOK AT AIRCRAFT NOISE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
HERE'S THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
CAN WE COME UP AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE TOWER WITH THE FAA WHO MANAGES AND HAS THE AUTHORITY OVER THE AIRSPACE ABOVE ADDISON TO TALK ABOUT HOW BETTER TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE NOISE, PARTICULARLY OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
AND YOURS TRULY PUT TOGETHER THAT, UH, BOTTOM RIGHT DEPICTION, WHICH SHOWS ANOTHER POTENTIAL WAY TO AVOID THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA, WHICH WOULD BE TO DEPART TO THE SOUTH FURTHER AND HAVE A DELAYED TURN TO THE LEFT OR TO THE EAST SOUTH OF SPRING VALLEY, THEREBY ELIMINATING THEIR FLYING OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA THAT WAS, UH, NOT APPROVED, UH, NOT ACCEPTED BY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, IN PART BECAUSE THE TOWER IS FOCUSED NUMBER ONE, FIRST AND FOREMOST ON SAFETY, AND THEY'RE SAFE.
AND, AND WHAT THEY MEAN BY THAT IS THAT WE HAVE A VERY CONSTRAINED AIRSPACE HERE OVER ADDISON, WHERE IT'S NOT JUST ADDISON TRAFFIC THAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP THEIR EYE ON.
THEY HAVE TO ALSO KEEP THEIR EYE ON DALLAS LOVE FIELD INBOUND TRAFFIC, THE DFW INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT INBOUND TRAFFIC MCKINNEY AND OTHER AIRPORTS THAT SURROUND THE ADDISON AIRPORT.
AND SO AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, UM, WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS ALSO, HOWEVER WE CAN HELP YOU WITH YOUR VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM, WE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU IF WE HAD A MANDATORY NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH OF COURSE WE COULD NOT ACHIEVE THROUGH THE PART ONE 50 STUDY.
HOWEVER, IF SOMEONE WERE TO REQUEST A DEPARTURE THAT WAS FURTHER SOUTH AND THEREBY DELAYING THEIR TURN, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UM, AND SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH CERTAIN OPERATORS ABOUT THAT WE KNOW, UM, PRODUCE, UH, A LOT OF IMPACT, IF YOU WILL, TO THE COMMUNITY WITH NOISE THAT THEY PRODUCE.
AND SO, UM, ON A WEEKLY BASIS, WE'VE ALSO TOUCHED BASE WITH A NUMBER OF TENANTS AT THE AIRPORT, WHICH HAVE ALL BEEN POSITIVE IN TERMS OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, JAMIE, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
HOW CAN WE HELP? TELL US ABOUT THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
WE WILL TRAIN OUR STAFF ABOUT THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
WE WILL PROGRAM OUR AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION EQUIPMENT TO AVOID, TO TRY TO AVOID THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY OVER THE AIRSPACE IS THE TOWER.
AND THE TOWER COULD AND HAS FROM TIME TO TIME, AGAIN, BASED ON OUR AIRSPACE, HAD AIRCRAFT NAVIGATE OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA THAT WE HAVE HERE.
BUT IN THOSE CASES, WE PROVIDE A WEEKLY REPORT TO THOSE ENTITIES AS TO THEIR PERFORMANCE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO AVOID FLYING THROUGH THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
AND FROM TIME TO TIME, THEY DO PENETRATE THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA AND WE INQUIRE ABOUT THAT.
AND IN THOSE CASES, WE DO GET FEEDBACK THAT SAYS, ACTUALLY JAMIE, THE TOWER DID PROVIDE US WITH DIRECTIONS THAT HAD US FLY OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON IMPROVING AND REACHING OUT TO EVERYONE RELATED TO THE VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM THROUGH PRO PROMOTION, THROUGH EDUCATION INFORMATION, UH, CONTINUING TO MEET WITH OUR TENANTS, WHETHER THAT'S THE FBOS FOR TRANSIENT TRAFFIC, WHETHER THAT IS PUTTING OUR INFORMATION OUT THERE ON INDUSTRY WEBSITES LIKE THE NBA AIRPORTS IN FOCUS PAGE, UM, AND REACHING OUT TO OTHER TENANTS AND PROVIDING THEM WITH SIMILAR PERFORMANCE, UH, REPORTS ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
BUT THE IMPORTANT PART TO, TO ILLUSTRATE IS THAT AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS AGAIN RELATED TO THE FACILITIES ON THE GROUND, WE ARE LOOKING TO AFFECT NOISE THROUGH THE RELOCATION OF THE RUNUP AREA THROUGH THE EXTENSION OF A THOUSAND FEET, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE USERS MAKE THE FIRST TURN THAT YOU SEE ON THIS DEPICTION, THE TURN FURTHER NORTH, NORTH OF BELTLINE EASIER.
AND ALSO BY PROVIDING THE NOISE CONTOURS, UM, AND THE UPDATING OF THOSE NOISE CONTOURS.
AND SO AGAIN, VOLUNTARY NOISE PROBLEM IS WHAT EXISTS.
IF WE WERE TO DO ANOTHER PART ONE 50 NOISE STUDY, IT
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COULD ONLY LEAD TO ANOTHER VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM.IT CANNOT LEAD TO A MANDATORY NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM THAT COULD ONLY BE ACHIEVED IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE FAA TO CONDUCT WHAT IS CALLED A PART 1 6 1 STUDY, A PART 1 6 1 STUDY.
THAT STUDY CAN, COULD POTENTIALLY LEAD TO A MANDATORY NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF DETAIL, AND OF COURSE THAT STUDY WOULD PROVIDE THAT.
UM, BUT, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET TO RESTRICTIONS AND MANDATORY, UH, NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES, SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS TO PILOTS FROM THE TOWER THAT WILL REQUIRE, UM, NOT BEING ABLE TO FLY OVER THE NOISE SENSOR AREA.
SO AGAIN, OUR FACILITY ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON NOISE AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN ARE THE RELOCATION OF THE RUNUP AND THE RUNWAY EXTENSION, POTENTIALLY ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE RIGHT NOW IN CONVERSATIONS WITH LEGAL REALLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS IN OUR LEASES.
AND THOSE WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO TENANTS, NOT TRANSIENT AIRCRAFT, NOT AIRCRAFT THAT DON'T HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH US.
AND SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO POTENTIAL TO BE ABLE TO STRENGTHEN SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS IN THOSE, UH, LEASES TO BE ABLE TO ALSO HAVE THEM BE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE COGNIZANT OF THE NOISE SENSITIVITY IN OUR COMMUNITY AS PART OF HOW WE GET, HOW WE UPDATE THE NOISE CONTOURS, THE NOISE CONTOURS, AND HOW THEY'RE ACHIEVED.
THERE IS A VERY SPECIFIC FA, A METHODOLOGY AND FORMULA THAT'S USED TO UPDATE THOSE NOISE CONTOURS.
OKAY? IT IS AN AVERAGE DAY NIGHT, UM, DAY, NIGHT LEVEL AVERAGE OF NOISE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT IT IS OVER A 12 HOUR, 12 MONTH PERIOD, 24 AV 24 HOUR AVERAGE.
THESE ARE NOT SINGLE EVENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
CLEARLY THERE'S AN AIRCRAFT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BASED AT THE ADDISON AIRPORT THAT HAS A, A PRETTY BIG IMPACT RELATED TO NOISE.
THAT SINGLE EVENT AS A WHOLE IN THE 12 MONTHS WHEN THAT AIRCRAFT IS FLOWN, THAT DATA IS IN THIS, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T FLY A LOT, BUT IT IS IN HERE.
BUT THIS IS AGAIN, AN AVERAGE DAY NIGHT LEVEL OF, OF FORMULA THAT'S UTILIZED.
WE CANNOT STRAY AWAY AS PART OF THE NOISE CONTOURS.
WE CANNOT STRAY AWAY FROM THOSE PARAMETERS THAT THE FA HAS RELATED TO HOW WE COME UP WITH THE DAY, NIGHT, AVERAGE LEVEL AND HOW WE COME UP WITH THE CONTOURS.
THE IMPORTANT PART TO REALLY KNOW IS THAT WHEN THE FA LOOKS AT IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY, THE LEVEL THAT METRIC, THE NUMBER THAT THEY LOOK AT IS THE 65 DNL.
THAT IS THE THRESHOLD THAT THE FA USES TO LOOK AT LAND USED COMPATIBILITY WHEN IT LOOKS AT THE POTENTIAL FOR RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES TO BE WITHIN THAT 65 DNL LEVEL SCHOOLS TO BE INSIDE THAT 65 DNL LEVEL.
THAT IS WHERE THE FA PRIMARILY FOCUSES ON WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CONTOURS.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THE CONTOURS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, AGAIN, AVERAGE EXPOSURE OVER 24 HOUR PERIOD ANNUALLY.
SO THE LAST 12 MONTHS OF DATA, WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE HAD WERE CONTOURS THAT WERE ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE A G AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT ONE THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY A FIRM CALLED GARVER, UM, IN 2022.
AND THAT ONE COMPARED ITSELF TO THE PREVIOUS VERSION, WHICH WAS FROM 2007.
OKAY? ON THE RIGHT YOU'LL HAVE THE WILPERT CONDUCTED VERSION OF THE NOISE CONTOURS, WHICH PROVIDES 12 MONTHS OF DATA IN 2025.
OKAY? AND SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ILLUSTRATE HERE IS THAT 65 DNL LINE, WHICH IS THE YELLOW REPRESENTED IN YELLOW, AND I AM HAPPY TO ADVISE THAT BASED ON THE 12 MONTHS OF DATA TO ACHIEVE THE DNL
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LEVEL AS PRESCRIBED AND REQUIRED BY FAA, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR SCHOOLS WITHIN THE 65 DNL AREA, OKAY? IF WE DID, THAT WOULD RESULT POTENTIALLY IN HAVING TO TAKE ACTION, INSULATION OF HOMES, RELOCATION OF ENTITIES TO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO AVOID THAT FROM BEING THE CASE.WE DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY IN THE 2025 CONTOUR.
NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FORECAST, WE SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT AIRCRAFT FORECAST, WHERE WE USE TRENDS, LOCAL NATIONAL LEVEL, THOSE ARE FORECASTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE THE WEATHER FORECAST.
SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE TRAFFIC COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT, OKAY? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE FORECASTS, THOSE FORECASTS CALL FOR THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE OPERATIONS INCREASE BY 50% FROM 2025 TO 2044.
OKAY? AND SO WHEN YOU DO THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT OPERATIONAL INCREASE AT THAT LEVEL, BASED ON THE FORECASTS, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR THE YELLOW AREA, THE 65 DNL CONTOUR TO ALSO INCREASE.
AND IN THIS CASE, FROM 2025 TO 2044, IT WOULD INCREASE IN SIZE BY 38%.
AND THAT IS ILLUSTRATED, I BELIEVE, OH, IN, IN THE FULL, IN THE FULL, UM, CONTOURS THAT ARE PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
YOU WILL SEE A DEPICTION THAT SHOWS THE, UM, INCREASE IN SIZE, 38%.
UM, AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY HERE, BASED ON THE FORECAST, WHICH SHOWS A 50% INCREASE IN OPERATIONS IN THE NEXT 19 YEARS, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A 38% INCREASE IN THE YELLOW LEVELS OF THE DAY NOISE OR DAY, NIGHT LEVEL EXPOSURE TO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WE REALLY DON'T CONCRETELY KNOW WHAT WILL REALLY HAPPEN IN 2044.
THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE FORECAST.
WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THE SAME TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THAT OPERATE AT THE ADDISON AIRPORT, SMALL SINGLE ENGINE PLANES, JETS OF THE TYPE THAT WE HAVE, WHICH AGAIN, AIRCRAFT DESIGN, GROUP THREE, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THAT WE EXPECT TO HAVE HERE.
I, EARLIER I HEARD, UM, DISCUSSION RELATED TO COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS.
WE COULD NOT SUPPORT COMMERCIAL AIRLINE OPERATIONS AT THIS AIRPORT.
WHY NUMBER ONE, COMMERCIAL AIRLINE OPERATIONS REQUIRE FACILITIES THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS DO NOT RECOMMEND.
OUR RECOMMENDATIONS DO NOT SHOW WHAT WOULD THOSE FACILITY REQUIREMENTS BE POTENTIALLY FOR LARGER JETS BEYOND AIRPORT DESIGN GROUP, THREE, LONGER RUNWAY, WIDER RUNWAY, WIDER TAXIWAYS, LARGER RAMPS TO BE ABLE TO PARK THOSE AIRCRAFT.
THEORETICALLY, A TERMINAL BUILDING, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, THEORETICALLY, TSA REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY, RIGHT? THAT IS A LOT, A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FACILITIES THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE LAND FOR, AND THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY COSTLY TO BE ABLE TO DO FOR OUR AIRPORT.
SO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THE AIRPORT BE A PART 1 3 9 AIRPORT, PART 1 3 9 CERTIFICATION IS WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE AIRPORT HAVE COMMERCIAL AIRLINE SERVICE HERE.
THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT MCKINNEY AIRPORT, AS AN EXAMPLE, HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH TO ALLOW THEM TO NOW HAVE COMMERCIAL AIRLINE SERVICE PART 1 39.
NOWHERE IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, NOWHERE IN THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN WILL YOU FIND A PROPOSAL TO HAVE PART 1 39 CERTIFICATION, WHICH WOULD, YOU CANNOT HAVE COMMERCIAL AIRLINE SERVICE WITHOUT HAVING THAT.
LASTLY, I WANTED TO TOUCH UPON A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROJECT THAT IS APPLICABLE TO THE AIRPORT,
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UM, HERE SEPARATELY, WILPERT, WHICH IS THE SAME, UH, GROUP.THE FIRM THAT IS HELPING US WITH THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS ALSO ON BEHALF OF TDOT COMPLETING AN AIR AIRPORT ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY FOR ALL THE AIRPORTS IN TEXAS.
AS PART OF THIS, THEY LOOK AT THE JOBS, THE PAYROLL, AND THE TOTAL OUTPUT ECONOMICALLY THAT THE AIRPORT IS HAVING.
THE LAST ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY THAT WAS DONE FOR ADDISON AIRPORT, AGAIN THROUGH TXDOT WAS IN 2018 H SHOWED A 467 MILLION TOTAL OUTPUT IMPACT.
UM, ALSO, UM, AND RIGHT NOW BASED ON THESE NUMBERS, WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING ARE ACTUALLY NOT FINAL, AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY INCREASED SINCE THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER, THE TOTAL NUMBER NOW IS ACTUALLY OVER 600 MILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WILPERT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR TENANTS TO GET THAT FINAL, FINAL INFORMATION.
BUT THAT NOW IS, I BELIEVE, OVER 2,700 TOTAL JOBS, UM, WITH OVER $200 MILLION IN TOTAL PAYROLL AND OVER $600 MILLION IN TOTAL OUTPUT.
AND THIS IS BOTH DIRECTLY AND INDIRECT ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT WE HAVE DERIVING FROM THE AIRPORT.
WITH THAT, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS RELATED TO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN? WE WILL BE FINALIZING RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE WILL BE FINALIZING THAT AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN, THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THE AIRCRAFT NOISE EXPOSURE, CONTOURS, WHICH ALSO COME WITH A TECHNICAL REPORT, AIRPORT DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER.
AND, UM, BEEN AGAIN, WORKING A LOT WITH INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS ON GETTING FEEDBACK RELATED TO STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE, UH, FINALIZING FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY.
HOW MUCH IS ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING TO COST? HOW MUCH ARE DEVELOPERS POTENTIALLY GOING TO INVEST FOR THESE CHANGES? AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WILL HAVE OUR FINAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, STEERING COMMITTEE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND COUNCIL BRIEFING FOR THESE FINAL MEETINGS.
WE ANTICIPATE THE TIMELINE TO BE AROUND THE SEPTEMBER TIME PERIOD.
WE ARE STILL RIGHT NOW ON TRACK TO FINISH THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
THIS CURRENT CALENDAR YEAR 2026.
THIS IS JUST A SCHEDULE THAT DEPICTS THAT, WHICH LEADS ME TO QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU, JAMIE, FOR THE, UH, PRESENTATION AND, UH, I KNOW, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS AND, UH, COMMENTS.
AND JUST A REMINDER, COUNSEL, WE HAVE IN 10 MINUTES WE NEED TO, UH, BREAK FROM THIS AND WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE THE, THE QUESTIONS AFTER A REGULAR MEETING WHEN WE CONTINUE OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. SO I SEE MARLIN IS FIRST.
UH, JAMIE, ON, ON SLIDE TWO, BASICALLY THE SECOND SLIDE, UM, NUMBER FOUR, IT SAYS DRAFT NOISE, EX EXPOSURE, CONTOURS.
IS THAT, UM, IS THAT COMPLETE? YES, IT IS NOW COMPLETE.
UH, AND WHEN YOU SAY DRAFT, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THAT? LIKE, INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE MASTER PLAN.
AND LET ME, IT ALSO, IT ALSO, IT WAS DRAFT BECAUSE IT ALSO WAS REVIEWED BY THE PROJECT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, AND WE WERE AWAITING ANY FEEDBACK PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE THIS MORNING.
AND WE ARE AWAITING ANY FEEDBACK AND NOW WITH YOU.
AND SO I WAS THINKING THAT WAS LIKE A PROFESSIONAL REPORT THAT WAS, WHEN IT'S DONE, IT'S DONE.
IT'S NOT LIKE I WOULD JUMP IN AND SAY, HEY, I WANNA REWORK THE THING.
UM, HELP ME WITH THAT THOUGHT.
SO WE, UM, WE DEFINITELY WENT THROUGH THE NOISE CONTOURS, AND THEY ARE COMPLETE.
THE DATA HAS BEEN, UH, RECEIVED.
IT WAS EXTRAPOLATED TO MAKE IT BE APPLICABLE FOLLOWING THAT FA CRITERIA.
AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED IS A COMPLETE, I CALL IT DRAFT BECAUSE WE ARE PRESENTING HERE TO YOU TODAY.
AND SO, UM, IF YOU ACCEPT WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UM, THEN ESSENTIALLY BECOMES FINAL.
IT'S, IT'S WAITING FOR OUR APPROVAL.
AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
UH, UH, YOU'VE, YOU'VE HAD QUITE A LAST 24 HOURS AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SAW YOU SPEAK LAST NIGHT.
YOU DID A HECK OF A JOB, UM, IN A HEATED ENVIRONMENT, AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT.
AND THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS GREAT.
IT'S A DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT PROGRAM.
UM, BUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FAA THAT, THAT, THAT CONTROLS, CONTROLS, THESE,
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THESE NOISE ISSUES.AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FORCED TO WORK IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.
AND IT'S SAFETY, SAFETY FIRST, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
UM, SO THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE BIG MESSAGES IS IF, IF WE SEE SOMETHING OR HEAR SOMETHING, IN THIS CASE, WE, WE SAY SOMETHING AND THEN HOW DO WE DO IT? SO COULD WE GO TO THIS SLIDE THAT'S GOT THE, BASICALLY IT'S A, A WEBPAGE OF THE ADDISON AIRPORT, UM, WEBPAGE, AND WE'RE DIRECTING THEM.
WE, THEY CAN CLICK ON A LINK TO GET 'EM TO THE FA NOISE COMPLAINT WEBPAGE, CORRECT? YES.
ON OUR, UM, ADDISON AIRPORT WEBSITE.
YOU'LL HAVE THE TOP RIGHT, UH, WHICH IS THE ADDISON AIRPORT NOISE CONCERNS.
ON THIS PAGE, YOU HAVE TWO THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO.
ONE IS, LIKE YOU SAID, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON, THE FA HAS BEEN VERY MUCH, UM, IN FAVOR AND WANTING TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK DIRECTLY FROM RESIDENTS.
AND SO THE YELLOW BUTTON THAT YOU SEE ON THAT WEBPAGE WOULD BE HOW YOU WOULD SUBMIT THAT.
NOW, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT THE WEBSITE SOMETIMES DOESN'T PLAY NICE WITH ALL INTERNET BROWSERS, IF YOU WILL.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE, WE KNOW HAS COME ABOUT FROM TIME TO TIME.
THE SYSTEM DOES GO DOWN FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
UM, BUT IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO ALWAYS COME BACK AND FIX EACH OTHER.
AND WHEN WE GET FEEDBACK ACTUALLY FROM SOMEONE THAT SAYS, HEY, JAMIE, I HAD A PLANE AND I TRIED TO SUBMIT, WE ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO FA DIRECTLY THROUGH THE CHIEF ENGAGEMENT OFFICER TO HAVE IT CORRECTED, MR. BE CLEAR, IT'S THE FAA SYSTEM THAT'S GOING DOWN, NOT OUR YEAH.
ON THAT SAME PAGE AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE HERE IS WHERE THE FIELDS ARE, WHERE YOU CAN SUBMIT SOMETHING TO US.
BUT REALLY AT THIS POINT, BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVE FROM FAA, WE REALLY FEEL IF A RESIDENT IS GOING TO CHOOSE TO TAKE THE TIME TO FILL ONE OF THE TWO, THE REALLY IMPORTANT ONE AT THIS POINT, AT THIS JUNCTURE IS THE FEDERAL ONE.
AND SO I, I SPENT SOME TIME ON THAT, UM, THIS MORNING, AND WHAT I DISCOVERED IS IT WORKS PERFECT, UM, FROM MY PC BROWSER MM-HMM
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT'S BROKEN ON MOBILE.
SO I TRIED IT FROM MY THANK YOU, FROM MY, YEAH.
AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS FAA, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER KNOWING THAT, THAT THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLES OVER THERE, UM, WITH SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
WE MAY WANT TO PUT A LITTLE BLURB ON OUR WEBSITE THAT, HEY, IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLES, YOU MAY WANT TO TRY THIS FROM YOUR COMPUTER BROWSER RATHER THAN A MOBILE.
BECAUSE I, I TRIED THIS ON, ON MY, UH, IPHONE, UM, IPHONE AND THEN ALSO ON MY COUNCIL ISSUE IPAD.
I GOT A BASICALLY AN ERROR MESSAGE THAT WAS FALSE, AND IT WAS SAYING, HEY, YOU, IT'S NOT WORKING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING A, YOU'RE USING A SAFARI BROWSER AND IT'S NOT UP TO DATE, WHICH I'M NOT USING A SAFARI BROWSER ON EITHER ONE OF THESE DEVICES.
AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE UP TO DATE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS TAKING THE TIME TO, TO DO WHAT WE NEED THEM TO DO, AND THEY'RE ALREADY FRUSTRATED, RIGHT.
'CAUSE SOMEBODY'S JUST, JUST ZOOMED BY THE TOWER, IF YOU WILL, OVER THEIR RESIDENCE.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IT ON THEIR MOBILE DEVICE AND IT'S NOT WORKING BECAUSE THE FAS NOT WORKING.
AND SO, UM, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KIND OF HELP THE FAA WITH, WITH THEIR WEBSITE ISSUES.
UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE PROVIDE THOSE, UH, REMINDERS AS PART OF THE FRIDAY NEWSLETTER, WE CAN CERTAINLY INDICATE THAT.
AND I'M JUST GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK ONE MORE QUESTION FOR NOW.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME PILOTS ON THIS COUNCIL.
I, I'D RATHER HEAR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WIDENING, WIDENING THE AIRPORT OR THE, THE, UH, THE RUNWAY, THE TAXIWAY OR THE RUNWAY, PARDON ME MM-HMM
UM, SO I GUESS WE'RE GRANDFATHERED IN RIGHT NOW FOR THIS, THIS GROUP, GROUP THREE.
AND SO IS THAT SOMETHING, I KNOW THAT'S A, THAT'S A MAJOR DEAL.
IT'S A MAJOR DEAL EXPENSE WISE, IT'S, IT'S A MAJOR DEAL SHUTTING DOWN.
SO IS THAT, IS THAT, IF WE DID THAT WHEN WE DID THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DONE WHEN WE OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE GOT THE GRANT FUNDING AND WHEN, WHEN IT KIND OF NEEDED TO BE DONE RATHER THAN LIKE, LIKE, HEY, LET'S DO IT TOMORROW.
SO SOME, SOMEONE ACTUALLY, UM, DEPICTED THIS VERY CLEARLY TODAY AT THE PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE.
JAMIE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN IS YOU'RE BASICALLY PLANTING A FLAG AND SAYING, FA THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.
THIS IS WHAT I RECOMMEND THAT WE DO AT THE AIRPORT, WHETHER IT'S TO MEET DEMAND, WHETHER IT'S TO MEET THE STANDARDS, ET
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CETERA, ET CETERA.SO WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT ON THE LIST ON THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN, SO THE FAS ON NOTICE THAT WE HAVE THAT INTENTION.
BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THE FUNDING IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT.
SO IF WE DID THAT, DOES THAT CAUSE FURTHER PROBLEMS WITH, UM, DISTANCE TO THE TAXIWAYS, LIKE YOU WERE ALLUDING TO? WOULD WE HAVE TO MOVE THE TAXIWAY? YES, IT WOULD WE EXPANDING EVERYTHING OUTWARD? YES, SIR.
AND, UH, GIVEN THE TIME, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY GO AHEAD AND, UH, TAKE OUR, OUR BREAK RIGHT NOW FOR THE, UH, SIX 30 RECEPTION.
AND THEN I KNOW WE DON'T WANNA RUSH THROUGH IT, SO THANK YOU, JAMIE.
WE'LL TAKE A BREAK UNTIL, UH, SEVEN O'CLOCK.
[COUNCIL MEETING]
ALL RIGHT.IT IS SEVEN OH TWO AND WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THE, ADD THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL ON, UH, JULY 14TH, 2026.
UH, WE'RE GOING INTO OUR REGULAR SESSION AT THIS TIME.
WE ARE, WE ARE GETTING STARTED.
AND AS ALWAYS, AS ALWAYS, GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
COULD I HAVE YOUR, COULD I, COULD I HAVE SOME QUIET IN THE ROOM, PLEASE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU AS ALWAYS, WE'D LIKE TO START OUR MEETING WITH THE PLEDGE TO BOTH OF OUR FLAGS.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR ALL HONOR, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
ALL RIGHT, NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE
[Proclamations / Presentations]
TONIGHT.UH, WE WILL GO RIGHT INTO OUR ITEM NUMBER TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.
WE HAVE TWO A CITY MANAGERS ANNOUNCEMENTS.
I JUST HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT, AND IT'S A RECOGNITION.
ADDISON KABOOM TOWN WAS A TREMENDOUS SUCCESS THIS YEAR AS RESIDENTS AND VISITORS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY FILLED EVERY CORNER OF ADDISON TO CELEBRATE OUR NATION'S 250TH ANNIVERSARY.
I WANNA RECOGNIZE ABBY MORALES AND THE DEDICATED SPECIAL EVENTS TEAM AND EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION WHO BROUGHT THIS INCREDIBLE EVENT TO LIFE.
I ALSO WANNA THANK THE MANY VOLUNTEERS WHOSE HARD WORK MADE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE.
YOUR TIME, ENERGY, AND COMMITMENT HELPED CREATE A CELEBRATION.
OUR COMMUNITY WILL REMEMBER, THIS IS REALLY A, AN EFFORT FROM ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.
EVERY DEPARTMENT IS OUT THERE WORKING, AND IT, UH, FILLS ME WITH PRIDE EVERY TIME WE HAVE ONE OF THESE EVENTS.
AND, UM, JUST A SPECIAL PLACE TO BE.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
AND THAT'S IT FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS, MAYOR.
ALRIGHT, ITEM TWO B, RECOGNIZE JULY, 2026 AS NATIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH.
AND Y'ALL MAY HAVE NOTICED, WE HAVE A GROUP OF FOLKS UP HERE THAT SEEM TO SHOP AT THE SAME STORE.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATIONS FOLKS TO COME TO THE FRONT.
I'M GONNA COME OUT AND PRESENT TO YOU ALL, EVERYBODY, AND I KNOW Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY JUST LIKE I AM, YOU'RE SO PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THESE FOLKS DO TO MAKE OUR BEAUTIFUL PARKS A A, A GREAT PLACE FOR US TO SPEND SO MUCH OF OUR SPARE TIME.
AND THEY WORK TIRELESSLY IN, IN THE HEAT AND IN THE COLD ALL YEAR ROUND.
AND SO WE'RE SO THANKFUL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
AND I, AND I KNOW WHEN I SEE YOU ALL, I GIVE YOU A WAVE AND Y'ALL GIVE ME ONE BACK, AND I KNOW THE OTHER RESIDENTS DO THE SAME THING.
SO JUST KNOW THAT WE DO APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK.
YOU DO SO MUCH TO MAKE OUR TOWN SO BEAUTIFUL.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
AND I DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION THAT I'M GOING TO READ.
THERE ARE A FEW WEARS INVOLVED, AS USUAL, UH, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF TOWN OF ADDISON.
WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY, IMPROVING THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR THEM.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTES TIME SPENT IN NATURE, WHICH POSITIVELY IMPACTS MENTAL HEALTH BY INCREASING COGNITIVE PERFORMANCE AND WELLBEING, AND ALLEVIATING ILLNESS SUCH AS DEPRESSION, ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDERS, AND ALZHEIMER'S.
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AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION ENCOURAGES PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES BY PROVIDING SPACE FOR POPULAR SPORTS, HIKING TRAILS, SWIMMING POOLS, AND OTHER ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO PROMOTE ACTIVE LIFESTYLES.AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS A LEADING PROVIDER OF HEALTHY MEALS, NUTRITION SERVICES, AND EDUCATION.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING AND EDUCATION ACTIVITIES SUCH AS OUT OF SCHOOL TIME PROGRAMS, UH, YOUTH SPORTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ARE CRITICAL TO CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION INCREASES A COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, EXPANSION OF THE LOCAL TAX SPACE, INCREASED TOURISM, THE ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES AND CRIME RETENTION REDUCTION.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS FUNDAMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS ESSENTIAL TO COMMUNITY RESILIENCE AS ITS ADAPTABLE, INFRASTRUCTURE HELPS OUR COMMUNITIES WITHSTAND NATURAL DISASTERS AND THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND WHEREAS OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RECREATION AREAS ENSURE THE ECOLOGICAL BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE A PLACE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS TO CONNECT WITH NATURE AND RECREATE OUTDOORS.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF ADDISON RECOGNIZES THE BENEFITS DERIVED FROM PARKS AND RECREATION RESOURCES AND ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAD DESIGNATED JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL THAT JULY IS RECOGNIZED AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH IN ADDISON, TEXAS.
AND CAN WE GET A GOOD PHOTO WITH EVERYBODY? GET US ALL IN? YES.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, WHILE YOU'RE STANDING THERE, JUST A REQUEST, IF I COULD PLEASE, AND I WANTED TO REQUEST THIS BEFORE YOU CALL THE REGULAR MEETING INTO ORDER, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE AS A COUNCIL COULD GET A PICTURE WITH ALL THESE GREAT AMERICANS, OUR VETERANS UP IN FRONT OF THE DIOCESE? IS THAT, IS THAT OUT OF ORDER BEFORE WE START LOSING 'EM TO GO HOME? WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE VETS COME UP AFTER WE DO A LITTLE THING RIGHT NOW.
ITEM TWO C, ADDISON, HOMETOWN HEROES RECOGNITION, ADDISON HOMETOWN HEROES RECOGNITION.
THIS IS A REALLY GREAT, UH, GREAT THING WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS EVENING.
AND I, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY ENJOYED THE RECEPTION EARLIER, AND GOTTA SEE SOME OF THE GREAT PHOTOS THAT WERE, UH, DISPLAYED OUT HERE IN OUR, IN OUR FOYER AREA.
AND, UH, JUST TALKING WITH DAVID GAINES AND, AND, UH, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO, UH, PLAN TO LEAVE THAT UP THERE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
WE'LL CELEBRATE THE TWO 50TH FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR, AND WE WANT TO KEEP ADDING TO SOME OF, TO, TO THE DISPLAY WITH RESIDENTS THAT, UH, HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR PICTURE UP THERE YET.
SO, SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT DISPLAY CONTINUE TO GROW.
SO PLEASE SPREAD THE NEWS, TELL YOUR FRIENDS SO WE CAN SEE THAT CONTINUE TO, UH, TO BECOME SOMETHING EVEN GREATER THAN IT IS ALREADY.
SO, HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE HERE.
UH, I'M HONORED TONIGHT TO BE RECOGNIZING SOME OF OUR HOMETOWN HEROES.
AS PART OF THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF OUR NATION, ADDISON CREATED ITS FIRST EVER HOMETOWN HEROES EXHIBIT FEATURING RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
IT EXISTS BECAUSE OF THE COURAGE, SACRIFICE, AND DEDICATION OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE ANSWERED THE CALL TO SERVE OUR COUNTRY.
THE EXHIBIT IS ON DISPLAY IN THE TOWN HALL HALL LOBBY THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO STOP BY AND EXPERIENCE IT.
I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR RESIDENT TOWN HOME, HOME HOMETOWN, HEROES, AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR THE NAME OF YOUR HOMETOWN HERO, PLEASE STAND AND BE RECOGNIZED.
AND AT THE END, WE'LL HAVE EVERYBODY COME UP HERE FOR A GROUP PHOTO WITH MYSELF AND WITH THE COUNCIL.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, JOHN NOLAN WAS, UH, WAS, UH, HE WAS A VETERAN.
HE IS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'RE RECOGNIZING HIM IN MEMORIAL TONIGHT.
UH, SHERRY WAS PLANNING TO BE HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT SHERRY MADE IT.
BUT, UH, WE WANNA HONOR JOHN NOLAN IN MEMORIA.
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UH, VIRGIL BURKHART, WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE? SIR VIRGIL SERVED US PROUDLY IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY.THANK YOU, VIRGIL, FOR YOUR SERVICE.
JOHN BRADSHAW AND JOHN SERVED FOR US IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY.
THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR YOUR SERVICE.
MICHAEL DEVEREUX ALSO SERVED IN THE ARMY.
PLEASE STAND JOHN FROM, RIGHT.
OH, HE'S CURRENTLY, OH, HE'S CURRENTLY DEPLOYED SERVING, HE'S SERVING, HE'S, HE'S CURRENTLY DEPLOYED IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
SO HE'S IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY.
AND HE'S, HE'S REPRESENTED HERE BY HIS MOM AND HIS SISTER AND HIS NEPHEW.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR HIS SERVICE.
JOHN SERVED AS PROUDLY UNITED STATES ARMY.
THAT'S A MARINE STANCE RIGHT THERE, I BELIEVE.
THANK YOU FOR SERVING THE UNITED STATES MARINES.
THE UNITED STATES NAVY THERE, ROY.
AND I'M GONNA RECOGNIZE OUR LAST TWO RESIDENT HOMETOWN HEROES TOGETHER, WHO ARE MADELINE AND MEREDITH WOOD.
MADELINE AND MEREDITH ARE TWINS WHO ARE BOTH STATIONED AT CAMP PENDLETON IN CALIFORNIA.
MADELINE RETURNED FROM A SIX MONTH DEPLOYMENT TO SOUTHEAST ASIA IN JUNE, AND MEREDITH DEPLOYED LAST WEEK TO KOREA AND SHOULD BE BACK IN JANUARY.
AND THEIR PARENTS, KATHY AND ALLEN ARE HERE, IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE.
ARE THEY STILL HERE? KATHY AND ALLEN? WE'RE, WE'RE THANKFUL THAT FOR THEIR ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE, THAT'S, THAT'S AMAZING.
THERE ARE A FEW OTHER RESIDENTS WHO ARE, UH, WHO ARE IN THE EXHIBIT OUT HERE, BUT COULDN'T HAVE JOIN US TONIGHT, AND I WANTED TO SHARE THEIR NAMES.
WE HAVE GERALD SPIVA, HE WAS THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, BRADLEY HOLCOMB, ALSO UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, AS WELL AS BOBBY DOUGLAS, UH, UNITED STATES AIR FORCE AND EDDIE JEAN SMITH, UNITED STATES ARMY.
SO WE THANK THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE, AND IF YOU PLEASE GIVE THEM SOME APPRECIATION.
SO THOSE ARE OUR HOMETOWN HEROES.
BUT NEXT I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF OUR ADDISON EMPLOYEES WHO'VE ALSO SERVED OUR COUNTRY.
TOWN OF ADDISON WAS RECENTLY AWARDED THE TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSIONS.
THIS DESIGNATION IS AWARDED TO TEXAS EMPLOYERS WHOSE WORKFORCE INCLUDES AT LEAST 10% VETERANS.
HERE IN ADDISON, VETERANS MAKE UP 13% OF OUR WORKFORCE.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND AS I CALL YOUR NAME, SEAN? CHEERS.
HE'S THE, UH, STORMWATER AND OPERATIONS MANAGER IN PUBLIC WORKS AND ENG ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
WAYNE SERVED AS PROUDLY UNITED STATES ARMY AND HE'S OUR, UH, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
CHRIS WAS A UNITED STATES ARMY, AND HE'S ALL OUR POLICE CHIEF, AS WE ALL KNOW.
LIZ, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE IN THE US AIR FORCE.
SHE'S A OP AIRPORT OPERATIONS SPECIALIST AT THE ADDISON AIRPORT.
SO THANK YOU ALL TO OUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE THAT HAVE SERVED US PROUDLY IN OUR UNITED STATES AND MILITARY.
SO YOUR SERVICE AND COMMITMENT TO OUR COUNTRY, IT REALLY HAS HELPED PRESERVE THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ENJOY AND SOMETIMES TAKE FOR GRANTED EVERY DAY.
AND WE'RE HONORED TO RECOGNI RECOGNIZE YOU ALL AS ADDISON'S HOMETOWN HEROES.
NOW IF EVERYBODY, THE VETERANS THAT WE CALLED, PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT WITH YOUR FAMILIES COUNSEL.
LET'S ALL JOIN UP AT THE FRONT, GET A BIG FAMILY PHOTO WITH EVERYBODY, UH, IF WE WOULD ALL GATHER UP AT THE FRONT.
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OKAY, VERY GOOD.[Public Comment]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THIS, UH, THIS JOB PRETTY FUN.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THE SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW.
THE COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSSING THE ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
I HAVE TWO COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS AND I'LL FIRST CALL TRISH STEWART.
AND AS ALWAYS, JUST PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
TRISH STEWART, 1 5 7 5 5 SEA BOLT.
UM, WE HAVE MANY SMART PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN, AND ALAN THEN TRIED TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION TONIGHT IN THE WORK SESSION.
SO I WILL MAKE HIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE@CHANGE.ORG SLASH R ADDISON AIRPORT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE BULLIES IN THIS TOWN THAT DON'T ALLOW VALID CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, OR ANY IDEAS THAT DIFFER FROM THEIR NARRATIVE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT GENERATIONS OF SERVICE MEMBERS HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR.
AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THOSE FREEDOMS, WHICH IS WHY I EXERCISE MY RIGHT TO QUESTION WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MY COMMUNITY.
MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT IN TWO WARS, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE DID.
SO FOR ME TO REMAIN SILENT ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS IN THIS TOWN, TO QUESTION THE USE OF OUR ASSETS, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER IT AFFECTS OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY, WHEN THERE'S INCREASING NOISE AND POLLUTION NOT MEASURED BY AN INDEPENDENT STUDY AFFECTING MY COMMUNITY'S HEALTH, I'M NOT A QUESTION ACCORDING TO THE BULLIES IN THIS TOWN.
THE AIRPORT IS OVER 20% OF OUR LAND, AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED AND TO QUESTION THE USE OF OUR ASSETS, WHICH AFFECT OUR COST OF LIVING AND OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY.
ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A RIGHT TO REQUEST A HEALTH STUDY TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE YOU GIVE CONSENT ON OUR BEHALF TO HAVE MORE OPERATIONS EXPANDED.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO DO NOT WELCOME QUESTIONS AND WHO WANT THOSE WHO QUESTION TO BE SILENCED.
I'VE EXPERIENCED INTIMIDATION FIRSTHAND, TOLD TO MIND MY OWN BUSINESS AND THREATENED IN MANY WAYS, WHICH I HAVE STOOD UP TO QUESTION.
BUT MY COMMUNITY SAFETY IS MY BUSINESS.
APPARENTLY OUR LEADERS OVER THE YEARS HAVE PRIORITIZED WHAT CONSULTANTS THINK OVER OUR TAX DOLLARS, DEVELOPER DOLLARS WHO GET TAX BREAKS THAT I DON'T DART WHO TAKES ON BILLIONS OF DEBT WITHOUT OUR CONSENT.
AND HOW THE FAA PRIORITIES ARE IN THE FA A'S MASTER PLAN OVER OUR CITIZEN'S VISION FOR THEIR TOWN, AS WELL AS OUR HEALTH AND WELLBEING.
WE CAN'T EVEN CONTROL F FIVES FLYING OVER OUR HOMES.
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TO FLIGHT PATHS TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.SO BASICALLY WE HAVE NO SAY IN ANYTHING.
THIS MASTER PLAN IS OUR LAST CHANCE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THE AIRPORT IS NOT THE SAME, IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
AND WE CANNOT PLAN FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS WHEN WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PROPER HEALTH STUDIES DONE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF OUR RESIDENTS.
LIVING IN A BUSY TOWN SHOULD NEVER MEAN SACRIFICING THE CONSIDERATION OF OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY AT A CRUCIAL TIME WHEN WE'RE GIVING AWAY OUR CONSENT TO MORE FAA CONTROL AND TO EXPECT ACCOUNTABILITY FROM OUR TOWN GOVERNMENT TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF ADDISON.
SO I THANK ALL OF THOSE HOMETOWN HEROES OUT THERE WHO HAVE STOOD FOR OUR FREEDOM SO THAT I CAN GET UP HERE TO SPEAK MY MIND TONIGHT.
AND I HOPE THAT WE HONOR THEM MORE IN THE YEARS TO COME.
I, I WANNA TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK HOWARD FREE FOR EVERYTHING HE DID FOR THIS TOWN.
HE REALLY CARED ABOUT HIS CONSTITUENTS.
I I ALSO WANT TO THANK MARLON AND RANDY YVETTE, WILL YOU GO AND GIVE, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
YVETTE PELKE 40 21 RIDE LANE, ADDISON.
I ALSO WANNA THANK, UH, MARLON AND RANDY FOR ACTUALLY DOING WHAT YOU'RE TELLING YOUR CONSTITUENTS YOU'RE GONNA DO.
THAT MEANS A WHOLE LOT TO ME, AND I KNOW NUMEROUS OTHER PEOPLES.
UH, RANDY, I'D LIKE YOU TO KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS.
I SEE FRUSTRATION ON VIDEOS FROM PEOPLE 'CAUSE THEY WANNA HURRY UP AND GET THROUGH WITH A MEETING.
WELL, IF SOMEBODY'S TOO BUSY TO SIT AT A COUNCIL MEETING AND THEY'RE IN A HURRY TO GO, THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON THE COUNCIL.
A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASK ARE THE SAME QUESTIONS I HAVE.
SO CAN YOU ADDRESS THE COUNCIL PLEASE? NOT INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS? SURE.
UM, BAR BIKE SURVEY, 80% OF THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE BIKES, THE BIKE LANE ON BELTWAY.
I'VE SPOKEN TO NUMEROUS OF YOU THAT TOLD ME THAT THE BIKE LANES WERE GOING AWAY, AND HERE WE ARE, FIVE TO TWO VOTE TO KEEP THE BIKE LANES.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE WHEN THEY TELL ME WHAT, EXCEPT THE TWO COUNCILMEN THAT I JUST SPOKE ABOUT.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE TOWN WANTS TO ONE THING AND THE COUNCIL'S GOT THEIR OWN AGENDA.
I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND ASK, UH, DO EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS WANT YOU TO DO.
WHY WOULD YOU PUT A SURVEY OUT IF YOU WERE GONNA DISMISS IT? THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES WITH THOSE BIKE LANES.
I WAS AN EMERGENCY CARE ATTENDANT FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.
I WAS IN HAZMAT TEAMS AND I I WAS ALSO A REGIONAL SAFETY MANAGER FOR A LARGE COMPANY.
MY GOAL WAS TO ALWAYS PREVENT ACCIDENTS FROM HAPPENING.
THESE BIKE LANES ARE AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN, AND I DO NOT KNOW WHY.
AFTER SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO YOUR OWN CONSTITUENTS, YOU STILL GO AGAINST WHAT THEY WANT OR WHAT THEY SEE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, OUR CITY MANAGERS, SINCE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY YOUR NAME, CAN YOU PLEASE START POSTING THE TAX RATES FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON OR THE TOWN MEETINGS.
WE USED TO GET THOSE EVERY TOWN MEETING AND WE NO LONGER GET IT.
AND I SPOKE TO NUMEROUS PEOPLE, UH, DURING OUR ELECTION AND A LOT OF 'EM HAD NO IDEA THAT OUR TAX RATE WAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE METROPLEX.
THEY STILL THINK THAT THEY WERE REAL LOW FROM WHEN THEY USED TO SHOW 'EM BACK THEN.
I'M TELLING YOU, THESE GUYS ARE NO HELMETS GOING 35, 40 MILES AN HOUR IN SOME OF THESE, UH, TRAILS.
I WAS WALKING FIVE DOGS THE OTHER NIGHT WALKING BACK FROM THE DOGGY PARK AND I ALMOST GOT RUN OVER BY A SCOOTER.
SO THANK GOD I HAD A HOLD OF MY DOG OR MY DOG WOULD'VE WOULD'VE GOTTEN TO HIM.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS I HAVE.
IS THERE ANY ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT
[Consent Agenda]
AND MOVE TO CONSENT.AGENDA ITEM FOUR AND, UH, CONSENT TONIGHT INCLUDES ITEMS FOUR, A, B, AND C.
IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR? I'D LIKE TO PULL FIVE.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION FOR FOUR A AND C? MAYOR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE FOR A AND C.
THANK YOU CHRIS, FOR THE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ARE ITEMS FOUR A AND C ARE APPROVED?
[b. Consider action on an Ordinance amending Chapter 2 (Administration), Section 2-351 (Master Fee Ordinance) of the Code of Ordinances of the Town by amending Section 2-351(j) providing for Addison Orbit transit fees.]
MARLON UM, SO I'M, UH, ITEM FOUR B[01:40:01]
ORBIT.UH, THE REASON I I PULLED THAT IS I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
UM, WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND, UH, AT THE MEETING WHERE WE GAVE GUIDANCE, BUT, BUT THERE'S, UM, ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T, I JUST KIND OF WANTED LIKE TO SHORE THAT UP.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT WE'VE GOT CHILDREN UNDER 12 AND UNDER CAN RIDE FREE.
AND DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES SOMEBODY, A COUPLE PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE SAID WITH AN ADULT.
UM, AND, AND MY QUESTION IS, IS DO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THAT CHILDREN 12 AND UNDER? UM, THEY CAN RIDE FREE, BUT IT, BUT WITH AN ADULT? UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, AN ADULT WITH, UH, WITH THOSE CHILDREN, UH, FOR THE SAFETY OF THOSE CHILDREN, UM, AND OUR COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS MAYBE FOR THE, FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, IS THAT APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THIS, THIS RATE ORDINANCE? SO AS IT READS, I MEAN THIS IS JUST YOUR FEE ORDINANCE AND WHAT IS CHARGED.
SO IF WE WERE TO ADD CHILD UNDER 12, NO CHARGE AND THEN I, ARE YOU ASKING WITH AN ADULT? YEAH.
INCLUDE SOMEWHERE WHERE WE'VE GOT, UH, CHILDREN RIDE FREE, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT IT'S GOTTA BE WITH A, WITH AN ADULT.
I MEAN THEN THE, THE REVERSE WOULD BE, SO WHAT IF A CHILD UNDER 12 IS WITHOUT AN ADULT, THEY JUST CAN'T RIDE BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A FEE ORDINANCE.
IT, IT, IT IS A QUESTION WHETHER WE WANT TO ALLOW THAT OR NOT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, AT SOME POINT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME AGE RIGHT? WHERE THAT, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS THE QUESTION.
WE CAN'T ALLOW 4-YEAR-OLD, FIVE-YEAR-OLD.
RIGHT? I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE TO THAT.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF, UM, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE AND AND WHERE DOES THAT GO IN, IN AN ORDINANCE? SO IT WOULD NOT LIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA BRING BACK IN A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE THAT PERTAINS SPECIFIC TO THE ORBIT PROGRAM ITSELF, THAT'S WHERE THAT SHOULD, SHOULD LIVE.
AND CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THE NAME OF THAT? WHAT ARE WE, UH, DAVID, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH WHERE THAT WOULD GO? I, IF, IF CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO DO THAT, MY, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE WE COULD JUST TAKE DIRECTION AND WORK WITH VIA ON THAT.
IT MAY BE THAT VIA ALREADY HAS A POLICY WHERE THEY DON'T ALLOW UNDER A CERTAIN AGE.
SO I THINK WE COULD COME BACK WITH THAT.
IF THERE'S CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW AND WE CAN HEAR FROM THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, I THINK WE CAN JUST TAKE CARE OF THAT WITH VIA, UM, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT INSTEAD IN PLACE OF AN ORDINANCE IF NICOLE FINE WITH THAT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD VOTE ON COUNCIL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY AS, YOU KNOW, WITH AN ORDINANCE, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE BOOKS, THEN WE'D HAVE TO BRING BACK AND AMEND IT.
BUT IF WE COULD JUST DO IT THROUGH STAFF AND THEN JUST DIRECTION TO VIA OUTLINING THE PROGRAM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
YEAH, I'D LOVE TO DO THAT AS LONG AS, AS COUNCIL'S GONNA IN THE END VOTE ON THAT AND IT'S GONNA COME, COME FAIRLY SOON.
WELL, WE WOULDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA VOTE ON IT UNTIL WE VOTED ON IT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THEN.
BUT THERE, I MEAN, THE, THE PROPOSAL I WAS LAYING OUT WOULDN'T BE COME TO A VOTE.
YOU WOULD JUST GIVE US DIRECTION.
YEAH, I I GUESS IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, I WOULD LIKE, I'D LIKE A VOTE ON IT SO THAT WE COULD, AS A COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, I'D KNOW WE HAD MOVED IN IN SOME DIRECTION OR ANOTHER.
SO COULD WE, COULD WE MAYBE RESEARCH IT WITH VIA AND SEE WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR PROCEDURES ARE AND WHAT THEIR POLICIES ARE? MY GUESS IS THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T ALLOW IT ANYWAY.
'CAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE ANY RIDESHARE DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.
I'M GUESSING THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW IT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE IT FORMAL PROCEDURE AND, AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH IT.
CAN WE TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL SUCH TIME WE FIND THAT OUT.
THIS IS REALLY, THAT'S I THINK WHAT NICOLE'S SAYING THAT IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION THAN THE FAIR THIS ITEM'S ABOUT THE FAIRES.
SO I I I WOULDN'T SEE TABLE IN THIS ITEM BECAUSE OF THIS CONVERSATION.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM THIS.
THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE FAIRES.
SO I'VE YEAH, I'VE GOT CLARIFICATION ON, ON WHAT I'M HOPING TO ACHIEVE.
AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN, MS. DAVID? IS THAT, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE, I MEAN, DO I NEED TO DO SOME, I MEAN, I CAN CO-SPONSOR, UH, AN AGENDA OR, OR SOMETHING IF, IF NEEDED.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT BELONGS.
I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER Y'ALL JUST TO GIVE US DIRECTION AND DO IT.
IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT AN ORDINANCE, I WOULD LOVE SOME MORE THAN JUST ONE, ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TO ASK FOR AN ORDINANCE.
WELL LET ME, LET ME DO THAT OFFLINE.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US, ASHLEY? I DO.
SO, UH, ASHLEY SCHROER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, I JUST HEARD BACK FROM, UH, VIA, AND THE MINIMUM AGE FOR A WRITER TO WRITE UNACCOMPANIED IS 13.
SO, UM, ACCORDING TO THEIR POLICIES, WHICH, UM, IS PART OF OUR CONTRACT IS THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST BE 13 OR OLDER TO RIDE UNACCOMPANIED.
UM, WE WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT
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IF WE WANTED A POLICY THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN THAT.SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PER VIA, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR RATE POLICY, UH, THE AGE OF 12 AND UNDER HAS TO RIDE WITH AN ADULT.
AND IS THAT THE LANGUAGE ADULT OR PARENT? OR DO WE KNOW ADULT? UM, THEY HAVE TO BE ACCOMPANIED.
ACCOMPANIED BY BY, THEY CANNOT BE UNACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT.
UM, SO YEAH, AS LONG AS, AS WE KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, THAT THAT WORKS FOR ME.
AND UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD THAT IT FALLS IN THEIR OPERATING PROCEDURES AND CONTROLS.
IS THERE A MOTION? SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOUR BI SECOND.
THANK YOU DARREN, FOR THE SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ITEM FOUR B IS APPROVED.
[a. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance, pursuant to Chapter 311 of the Texas Tax Code, creating Reinvestment Zone Number One, Town of Addison, Texas; establishing its boundary, term, and Board of Directors; providing for Town participation and a preliminary Project and Financing Plan; and providing an effective date.]
ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER THREE 11 OF THE TEXAS TAX CODE CREATING REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE, TOWN OF ADDISON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING ITS BOUNDARIES, TERM AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS PROVIDING FOR TOWN PARTICIPATION AND A PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN AND PROVIDING AN WAYNE.UH, COUNSEL, WAYNE EMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS, UH, ADDISON TUR REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE.
UH, THE CONCEPT OF A TURS WAS FIRST RECOMMENDED IN THE INWOOD CORRIDOR ENHANCEMENT ZONE STUDY FURTHER IN 2019.
UH, THAT SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC STUDY ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED A TURS IN THE, UH, TURS NUMBER ONE AREA THAT WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING THIS EVENING.
AND THEN IN JULY OF 2024, WE HAD A TS 1 0 1, UH, PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL THAT KIND OF LAID OUT EXACTLY WHAT A TS OR A TIFF IS.
UM, SO I MAY USE THOSE TERM, THOSE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLE TONIGHT.
TAX INCREMENT FINANCING OR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.
GENERALLY THEY MEAN THE SAME THING.
AND THEN IN OCTOBER OF 28 OF 2025, UH, COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO PREPARE A PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN FOR TOURS, NUMBER ONE THAT WAS PUT ON HOLD.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE WAS, UH, A DART PARTICIPATION CONTEMPLATED, UH, THAT HAS SINCE BEEN RESOLVED.
AND WE WILL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT DART UH, PARTICIPATION HERE IN JUST A MOMENT.
AND THEN LAST WEEK FOR JULY 7TH, COUNCIL, UH, GAVE DIRECTION TO THIS FINAL, UH, ZONE BOUNDARY, UH, PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN AND, UH, CREATION ORDINANCE, UH, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING.
SO ONE IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT A TIFF OR A TS IS IT IS NOT A NEW TAX ON DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT REDIRECTS NEW INCREMENTAL REVENUE, UH, INTO SEVERAL STREAMS. SO WHEN THAT TIFF IS ESTABLISHED, THERE IS A BASE VALUE THAT VALUE STAYS IN THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THEN, UH, DEPENDING ON THE PARTICIPATION AMOUNT, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, UH, WILL GO INTO THE TIF FUND, AND THEN THE OTHER PARTICIPATION IN THE REMAINING WILL STAY WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND.
AT THE END OF THAT TERM, ALL OF THAT NEW INCREMENTAL REVENUE FLOWS BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
UH, AND THERE'S REALLY TWO WAYS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT INCREMENT.
UH, THE MOST IMPACTFUL WOULD BE NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEN THERE IS ALSO WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED ORGANIC GROWTH OVER THE BASE.
SO THE PROCESS, UH, IS REALLY KIND OF A TWO STEP PROCESS.
THE FIRST IS, UH, THERE'S TWO DOCUMENTS THAT DO THAT, AND IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS.
THERE IS THE CREATION ORDINANCE AND THE, UH, TURS PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN TONIGHT.
UH, WHAT WE'RE APPROVING WOULD BE THE BOUNDARY, THE TERM, THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION RATE, UH, WHO WOULD COATE, UH, CONSTITUTE THE BOARD, AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
AND THEN, UH, PENDING THE APPROVAL, UH, THIS EVENING, WE WOULD COME BACK AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING, UH, PLAN APPROVED BY THE NEW, UH, NEWLY ESTABLISHED TURS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO WHY WOULD WE CREATE A TURS? UH, THE FIRST THING THAT'S I THINK REALLY IMPORTANT IS IF YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AC ACTIVITY WITHIN A DESIGNATED AREA, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT REALLY DRIVES, UH, THE INCREMENT.
BEYOND THAT, YOU WOULD CREATE A TS BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO BENEFIT AN AREA AS A WHOLE INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON A SPECIFIC, UH, PROJECT.
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THEN ONE GREAT, UH, ASPECT TO A TS IS YOU CAN LEVERAGE THAT INCREMENT AND FUNNEL THAT TWO PROJECTS, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THOSE, UH, VIABLE.AND THEN IT ALSO ACTS AS, UH, A GREAT MARKETING TOOL TO ATTRACT, UH, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT FOR, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO INCENTIVIZES, UH, CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO REINVEST IN THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN MORE THAN ANYTHING, IT CREATES A SENSE OF PLACE AND DEMONSTRATES A COMMITMENT TO AN AREA, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT INVESTMENT.
SO THE CATALYTIC PROJECT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE THAT WOULD SIT WITHIN TOURS, NUMBER ONE HERE IN ADDISON IS THE ADDISON JUNCTION, TOD.
UH, SO I THINK EVERYONE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE BEEN, UM, UH, PUSHING AHEAD WITH, SO THIS IS AN ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION PROJECT INCLUDES A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, ENTERTAINMENT AND, UH, RESTAURANT SPACE AND A MASS TIMBER OFFICE.
AND THIS, UH, PROJECT SITS JOINTLY WITHIN, UH, CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND PROPERTY OWNED BY DART.
SO WHEN WE, UM, CONSIDER THE BOUNDARIES, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, JUST IN GENERAL AT TIF, BUT EVEN SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR ZONE, THE FIRST IS YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY INCREMENT PRODUCING AREAS.
SO THAT COULD BE THAT CATALYTIC, UH, PROJECT, OR IT COULD BE OTHER AREAS WHERE YOU EXPECT NEW DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN.
THAT'S WHAT CREATES THE INCREMENT THAT GETS REINVESTED BACK INTO THE ZONE.
AND THEN YOU ALSO WANNA LOOK AT AREAS THAT ARE IN NEED OF REINVESTMENT, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN FUNNEL THOSE, UH, THOSE FUNDS INTO THAT AND, AND CREATE THAT INVESTMENT.
AND THEN SORT OF UNIQUELY TO THIS TURS, WE LOOKED AT SALES TAX GENERATING PROPERTIES, UH, AS DART IS LOOKING AT PARTICIPATING IN THIS TURS AND THEIR INCREMENT WOULD COME, UH, VIA SALES TAX.
SO, UH, AS I SAID, THIS IS SORT OF UNIQUE, UM, LEGALLY UNDER THE TS OR THE T STATUTE, UH, DART IS NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE 'CAUSE THEY DON'T COLLECT A VALOREM TAXES.
BUT THIS IS SORT OF A UNIQUE STRUCTURE THAT DART IS, UH, BRINGING FORWARD.
IN ESSENCE, IT, THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE, UH, ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE THEY COULD PART PARTICIPATE WITHIN THE TS UH, STATUTE, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE DONE THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT INSTEAD.
SO UNDER THE APPROVED, THE DART, UH, BOARD APPROVED TERMS, UH, IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE, THEY, THEY MUST STATE YOU MUST HAVE A TRANSIT, A, UH, ANCHOR.
AND THEY WOULD LIKE THOSE FUNDS TO BE USED UNDER CHAPTER 4 5 2, WHICH IS, UH, THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS THERE.
SO THAT COULD BE STREETS, SIDEWALKS, INFRASTRUCTURE, ANYTHING TO REALLY SUPPORT THAT TRANSIT ACTIVITIES.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING THEY WOULD CONTRIBUTE, UH, AROUND 60% INTO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BASED ON THOSE PARAMETERS.
AND THEN THE CITY MUST MATCH WHATEVER FUNDS THAT THEY PUT IN.
AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, THOSE TERMS ARE 20 YEARS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT STAFF IS CONTINUING TO HAVE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THIS DART PARTICIPATION COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THIS IS NOT FINAL AT, AT THIS TIME.
THESE ARE THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, SO AS YOU SEE THE ADDISON JUNCTIONS RIGHT THERE, SORT OF AT THAT CENTER.
AND SO THE IDEA IS, UH, MAKING THAT ZONE TIGHT ENOUGH THAT IT, THAT IT, UH, THE SPILLOVER EFFECTS DOES COME THROUGH FROM ADDISON JUNCTION AND, UM, DRIVES REINVESTMENT WITHIN THAT AREA.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE, THAT ESTIMATED TAX BASE IS ABOUT $1.5 BILLION.
SO, UM, ONCE WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT BOUNDARY, WE CAN DO THEN DO OUR FINANCIAL ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE, UH, WHAT THAT POTENTIAL, UH, INCREMENT COULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A 30 YEAR TERM, UM, THAT WOULD TERMINATE IN 2056, AND WE'RE USING WHAT'S CALLED A STAIR STEP PARTICIPATION RATE.
SO DURING THE FIRST 10 YEARS, 80% OF THAT TAX INCREMENT WOULD FLOW INTO THE TIF FUND WITH 20% REMAINING IN THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THEN THAT STEPS DOWN TO 65% IN THE TIF FUND.
AND THEN, UH, FOR YEARS 11 THROUGH 20 AND THEN 50% IN YEARS IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, 21 THROUGH 30.
UH, AND SO WITH THOSE NUMBERS YOU SEE, UH, THET PARTICIPATION NUMBER WOULD BE ABOUT 184 MILLION TO THE TS WITH THE GENERAL FUND HAVING THE NET BENEFIT OF 175 MILLION FOR THE TS BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UH, STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SERVE AS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE AND THE MAYOR.
UM, AND THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER CHAPTER THREE 11, TAKING THAT 183 MILLION AS PART OF THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
UH, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE BUCKETS OF, OF ALLOWABLE USES.
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IS WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE ADDISON JUNCTION, WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THERE, AND THEN LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS AS BENCHMARKS.AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT ANY OF THESE FUNDS CAN BE TRANSFERRED, UM, BETWEEN THE BUCKETS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT TIED TO THESE PARTICULAR FUNDS.
AND THAT ANY PROJECT THAT COMES BEF, UH, THAT, UH, COMES UP FOR THE TIF, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED CASE BY CASE, FIRST BY THE TIF BOARD AND, AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS NOT A BLANK CHECK TO ANY PROJECT THAT COMES IN THE BOARD.
SO EVERY PROJECT MUST BE APPROVED, UH, BY THE COUNCIL.
SO IF THE, UH, PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS APPROVED THIS E EVENING, UM, THAT WOULD CREATE THE TURS BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
WE'D COME BACK, UH, EARLY AS NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND WE WOULD, UH, THE TURS BOARD WOULD MEET AND THEY WOULD APPROVE, UH, THE FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD, UH, COME BACK AND IMPROVE THAT FINAL PROJECT FINANCING PLAN AS WELL.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO IMPROVE THE CREATION ORDINANCE, UH, THAT WOULD ESTABLISH THE ZONE, THE TERM THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE PARTICIPATION RATE AND THAT PRELIMINARY FINANCING PROJECT PLAN QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, JUST TO BE, TO BE CLEAR, SO WE'RE NOT ON THAT RECOMMENDATION, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY VOTING ON THE TERM CORRECTIONS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WHAT THE LENGTH OF IT IS? IT NO, IT'D BE 30 YEARS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
OH, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE WEREN'T CERTAIN OF THE, OF THE LENGTH YET.
UH, IF YOU'RE, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE DARTS PARTICIPATION? YEAH, I SUPPOSE SO.
SO THAT IS A PRE-APPROVED AT 10 YEAR TERM THAT DART FOUR HAS ALREADY APPROVED.
UM, I CAN SAY THAT WE'RE STILL HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT TOTAL PARTICIPATION WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE DART PERSPECTIVE, BUT THIS EVENING AS THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THIS WOULD BE A 30 YEAR TERM.
UNDER THE CREATION ORDINANCE FOR THE GOT IT.
SO WAYNE, CAN, CAN YOU TELL ME THE, THE TIMELINE, WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE ARE WE LOOKING TO FINALIZE THE ILA AGREEMENT? UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S A, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING MM-HMM
UH, SCHEDULED FOR EARLY AUGUST.
AND IT COULD BE AS EARLY AS END OF AUGUST THAT WE WOULD HEAR BACK FROM THE DART BOARD.
HEY WAYNE, THANKS FOR ONCE AGAIN GOING OVER THIS.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON SLIDE 14.
UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE IN THIS SLIDE? IS THIS THE BENEFIT OVER 30 YEARS? THAT 183,000,565.
SO THE 183 IS THE INCREMENT GENERATED WITHIN THE TIF OR THE TURS FUND.
SO THAT'S WHAT GOES INTO THE, INTO THIS TURS OVER 30 YEARS? CORRECT.
AND THEN WALK ME THROUGH REALLY QUICK, AND I KNOW WE COVERED THIS LAST MEETING, BUT DART'S PARTICIPATION.
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SORT OF ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS TO THIS IS BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE SORT OF THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT.
SO TELL ME AGAIN HOW THAT WORKS.
'CAUSE IN OUR PRESENTATION YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, TA, TOTAL TAXES GENERATED BY DAR IS 4,398,000.
BUT HOW DOES THAT MAKE IT INTO THE TERMS? SO I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THE SALES TAX NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY VERY CONSERVATIVE.
UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO KIND OF PROJECT SALES TAX IN GENERAL.
IS THAT WHAT THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS? THAT'S OVER A 30 YEAR TERM? YES.
THE, THE 4, 3 9, 8 SALES TAX JUST OVER, IS IT 30 YEARS RIDES IN ADDISON BORDERS OR HOW DOES THAT OH, NO.
SO THAT, THAT'S GENERALLY, UM, ATTRIBUTED TO ADDISON JUNCTION.
NEW RETAIL ON THE GROUND OR REST OR, OR RESTAURANTS.
THAT'S WHERE THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM.
IS THE NEW, UH, RESTAURANT RETAIL NEW SALES TAX.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, SO THIS WHOLE DARK THING, IT CREATES THIS MULTIPLIER EFFECT, RIGHT, WHICH REALLY MAKES THE TURS APPEALING, RIGHT? OTHER, OTHER THAN, I MEAN, YOU'RE REALLY JUST DIVERTING INCOME FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE TURS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES LIKE WITH THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE OR DISD TO PARTICIPATE? UH, IT'S POTENTIAL.
UH, I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE BOTH PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, UNLIKELY FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
UH, THE COUNTY TYPICALLY HAS A POLICY RELATED TO, UH, ANY PARTICIPATION THEY DO
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WOULD, WOULD HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT.UH, NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, HOUSING IN OUR ADDISON JUNCTION, SO WE CAN REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION.
UH, REGARDLESS, YOU NEED TO CREATE, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR, UH, YOUR FINANCING PLAN DONE BEFOREHAND, AND THEN YOU KIND OF GO TO PARTICIPATING JUDIC JURISDICTIONS AFTERWARDS.
AND THEN AS FAR, FAR AS SCHOOL DISTRICTS, IT'S EVEN MORE UNLIKELY.
UM, IT'S VERY CONVOLUTED, BUT THE STATE CHANGED THE FINANCING TERMS IN LIKE 1999.
IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SCHOOL FINANCING, THERE'S ROBINHOOD AND IT, IT MAKES IT VERY, I GET IT, COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, SLIDE 14, JUST TO UM, ALSO CLARIFY FOR ME ON CHRIS'S POINT, THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN A CRYSTAL BALL THAT'S, THESE ARE GUESSES.
THESE ARE, IF THE PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL, IF IT'S, IF, IF IT'S COMPLETED, ALL OF THESE WHAT IFS, SORT OF, IT'S VERY CIRCULAR IN THAT SENSE.
BUT JUST, JUST TO KNOW THESE ARE NOT CERTAINTIES.
I THINK THESE ARE WHAT WE ARE HOPING FOR.
I THINK PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO THE PARTICIPATION RATE IS PROBABLY THE BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE DIVERTED BETWEEN THE TIFF AND, AND THE GENERAL FUND.
AND YOU, YOU HAVE HIT ON MY MAIN POINT, THE PARTICIPATION.
A IS USELESS WITHOUT A PARTNER PARTICIPANT.
AND UNTIL WE KNOW THAT DART IS GOING TO PARTICIPATE AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE, AREN'T WE JUMPING THE GUN A LITTLE BIT HERE? WHY ARE WE NOT WAITING? WHAT'S THE RUSH? WHY ARE WE NOT WAITING FOR DART'S DECISION SO THEN WE CAN COME IN AND MAKE OUR DECISION IN A MORE PERFECT WORLD? I, I THINK THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE PARTNER PARTICIPATION, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE ONLY REASON TO HAVE A TIFF OR A TS IS TO GET THE PARTNERSHIP HALF COMING IN.
WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO WITH OUR HALF WITHOUT AURS.
SO AURS OR A TIFF, THE ONLY REASON YOU DO ONE IS WITH A PARTNER.
AND, AND WE DO HAVE A, AND TO CHRIS'S POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
I KNOW COUNTY AND STATE RARELY GET INVOLVED IN THESE, BUT IF YOU DON'T ASK, THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY NO.
AND AND TO BE CLEAR, TAR, UH, DART HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE 10 YEAR, SO THAT IS VERY MUCH ON THE TABLE.
SO WITH, THERE IS A PARTICIPATION FROM DART THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD, BUT YOU HAVE BROUGHT ME RIGHT INTO MY NUMBER TWO POINT.
WHY WOULD WE BE DOING ANYTHING LONGER THAN WHAT DART IS WILLING TO DO? A TUR SHOULD GOES RIGHT INTO MY POINT.
SO IF THE PARTNER GETS OUT IN 10, WHY ARE WE STAYING IN FOR 30? THAT THAT MATH DOESN'T WORK FOR ME? IS THERE A REASON TO STAY IN FOR 30? THERE THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW IS THAT YOU WERE GONNA TAKE OUT DEBT ON ADDISON JUNCTION FOR THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECES.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT THE, THE TURS WILL EVENTUALLY, THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.
SO USUALLY YOU MATCH AT LEAST YOUR DEBT TERMS. SO IT COULD BE 20 AND 25 YEARS, AND THEN YOU GOT ABOUT 10 YEARS FOR THAT PROJECT TO STABILIZE.
SO WHEN, WHEN WOULD THIS PRE-STANDARD ACROSS, UM, WHEN WOULD THIS TUR START? IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE.
UH, SO THIS WILL CREATE THE ORDINANCE AND THEN ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES THAT FINAL PROJECT PLAN, IT WOULD START, IT WOULD BE CREATED AND THEN THE INCREMENT WOULD, UM, START JANUARY 1ST, 2027.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU START INCREMENT.
WHEN ARE THEY GONNA PUT THE FIRST SHOVEL IN THE GROUND ON THAT PROJECT? JANUARY OF 2027, RIGHT, BECKY? OR IS SHE YES.
I THOUGHT THEY TOLD US IT WAS GONNA BE MID 27 BEFORE THEY GET ANYTHING GOING.
BUT I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE JANUARY.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, THE, THE COMPLETION OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 10 YEAR PROCESS TO COMPLETE THIS.
ARE WE NOT, UH, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE WERE TOLD ABOUT 20 30, 20 29 IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT SUMMER.
COULD, COULD GET PUSHED TO 2030, COMPLETELY FINISHED EVERYTHING IN THAT PROJECT DONE.
I I WAS THINKING IT WAS MORE OF A EXTENDED PROJECT THAN THAT.
SO ONCE IT'S COMPLETED, WE WOULD HAVE A FEW YEARS TO TO, TO GET THIS BACK.
'CAUSE IT WOULD SEEM TO ME LIKE A TURS WOULD BE BETTER OFF ONCE WE START
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GENERATING REVENUE FROM THIS AND HAVE THAT 10 YEARS START FROM THEN RATHER THAN BE FIVE OR SIX YEARS INTO IT AND ONLY GET FOUR YEARS OF PARTICIPATION.WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THERE BECAUSE ONCE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, WE, WE'D BE LOSING OUT ON ANY OTHER NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE COMING IN THE, THE T OR YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON THAT INCREMENT.
AND THEN IT'S SORT OF A, A TIMING ISSUE.
IT'S BECAUSE EVEN AS UH, INCOMPLETE PROJECTS COME ON BOARD, THEY START GENERATING INCREMENT AND THEN ONCE THAT PROJECT STABILIZES, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF A SLOW PIECE UP TO BE STABILIZED.
SO YOU REALLY WANT TO CAPTURE ALL OF THAT INCREMENT AS IT COMES ON BOARD.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, I'M JUST SAYING YOU'VE GOT A, AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT COMES ONLINE AT $20 MILLION AT COSTS, YOU STILL DON'T HAVE THE TURS, WELL, YOU LOST THAT 20 MINUTE INCREMENT AND THEN THEY'RE STABILIZING AND IT COULD GO TO 30 MILLION IN VALUE.
YOU LOSE THAT, THAT INCREMENTAL 10 MILLION UNTIL THAT JANUARY PIECE HITS.
SO BY GETTING IN EARLY, YOU'RE GONNA CAPTURE EACH AND EVERY BIT OF THAT INCREMENT THAT CAN GO INTO THE FUND.
UH, IT STATES THAT IT BENEFITS AN, AN AREA AT LARGE, UH, BENEFITS AN AREA AT LARGE RATHER THAN BEING PROJECT SPECIFIC.
WELL, TO ME THIS IS PRETTY PROJECT SPECIFIC, NOT PARTICULARLY FOR THE PROJECT, BUT FOR AN AREA IT'S NOT BENEFITING THE ENTIRE TOWN.
SO THAT'S ALMOST A LITTLE, TO ME, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THAT'S BACKWARDS, THAT IT, IT'S MORE AREA SPECIFIC AND NOT BENEFITING OF THE ENTIRE TOWN ON THIS ISSUE.
MY MY ISSUE IS WE'RE A SMALL TOWN AND THERE ARE TURS THAT ARE BIGGER THAN OUR ENTIRE TOWN IN OTHER LARGE CITIES.
MY PROBLEM IS, MY, MY ISSUE IS WITH A TURS AND WE'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING RIGHT BACK INTO THIS AREA.
OTHER PARTS OF TOWN WOULD NOT BENEFIT FROM THIS.
AND I DON'T WANT ANY PART OF TOWN NOT BENEFITING FROM SOMETHING THAT COMES IN MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A QUESTION I ASSUME
SO THAT'S, UH, AND WHY IS DART DOING AN LOA RATHER THAN A TS AGREEMENT WITH US? AN ILA CHAPTER, I APOLOGIZE.
CHAPTER THREE 11 STATES THAT YOU HAVE TO COLLECT A VALOREM AND THEN I THINK THERE'S OTHER LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT PROHIBITS THEM.
SO BEST WAY I COULD DESCRIBE IT IS THIS IS A SYNTHETIC TOURS PARTICIPATION IN ESSENCE.
UH, LIKE IF, IF THE CITY WANTED, IF THE TOWN WANTED TO, WE COULD PARTICIPATE.
WE COULD PLEDGE OUR SALES TAX INTO THIS.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT.
SO THEY'RE STEPPING INTO THAT PLACE OF PLEDGING THEIR SALES TAX.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE DANGER OR THE ISSUE WITH THIS KIND OF AGREEMENT? CAN THEY BACK OUT OF THIS AT ANY TIME OR ARE THEY CONTRACTUALLY COMMITTED TO OUR TOWN? ONCE THE ILA IS IS SIGNED, THEN YES, THEY'LL BE CONTRACTUALLY COMMITTED INTO THIS.
AND THEN SO I GO BACK, I, I GO FULL CIRCLE NOW.
I WOULD PREFER TO WAIT AND SEE THEIR ILA BEFORE WE DO THIS.
WE WOULD STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME BEFORE A SHOVEL GETS IN THE GROUND IN JANUARY TO GET THIS STARTED.
I'LL, I WILL YIELD TO MY COLLEAGUES IN THIS.
I MAY HAVE ONE OR MORE TWO AT THE END, DAN OR DARREN.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, WHAT IS THE NET, THE TA THE REVENUE INTO THE TURS FROM, UH, THIS OVER 30 YEARS PROJECTION? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? IS THE REVENUE INTO THE FUND OVER 30 YEARS? IT'S THE ONE A 3, 5, 6, 5 NUMBER AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
AND WHERE IS DART'S PARTICIPATION? SO THIS, THIS IS TOWN, THIS PROJECT FINANCING PLAN IS THE TOWN'S PROJECT FINANCING PLAN.
IF THEY WERE TO PARTICIPATE AT 60% AND THEY WERE TO PARTICIPATE AT 30 YEARS, YOU WOULD TAKE THAT 4.4 NUMBER AND MULTIPLY THAT BY 60% TO GET YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR DART PARTICIPATION CALL A LITTLE OVER 2.3 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT, I THINK THAT'S A LOW, I THINK IT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE ON THOSE SALES TAX NUMBER.
AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE THAN THAT.
SO THAT'S THE SALES TAX INCREMENT INCREMENT? YES.
SO THE BASE OVER THE NEXT, SO THEY WOULD, THE BASE WOULD STAY THE SAME.
DART WOULD, UM, WE DO THE SAME PROCESS.
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TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE BASE AT DECEMBER 31ST, 2026, THAT WOULD ESTABLISH THE BASE.AND THEN IN JANUARY, ANY INCREMENTAL SALES TAX ABOVE AND BEYOND AT 60% RATE.
ASSUMING THAT THAT'S THE RATE THAT, SO IF WE HAD A MAJOR TAXPAYER MOVE INTO THE CO, THE S THEN IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
OR IF ADDISON JUNCTION IS A RESOUNDING SUCCESS BECOMES THE ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION.
I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT SALES TAX SPECIFICALLY.
SALES, SALES TAX, WHAT HE USED WOULD CHANGE SPECIFIC WOULD CHANGE QUITE DRASTICALLY IF WE HAD A LARGE YES.
AND THEN, UH, YEAH, WE DO HAVE THE, THE TOWNS OVER THERE AS WELL.
SO, AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE IT ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE NET BENEFIT TO THE TOWN AS WELL.
UM, I THINK I RECALL US DISCUSSING THIS, UH, FOURTH BULLET DOWN CITY MATCH.
SO WE COME UP WITH, UH, HALF OF THAT $2 MILLION OR HALF OF THAT INCREMENT, WHAT DOES THAT COME FROM? SO THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS AT FIVE AND 10 YEAR AUDITS, I THINK THIS WOULD BE VERY DOUBTFUL, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE NOT PUT IN MORE THAN DART THAN, THAN A, THEY COULD ASK FOR THAT KIND OF TRUE, I GUESS IT'D BE A TRUE UP OR A TRUE DOWN.
SO ASSUMING IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS AT YEAR FIVE AND THE TOWN HAD ONLY PUT IN 900,000, THEN THEY WOULD ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, A TRUE UP ON THAT OR A TRUE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THEY GET HOLD ON THAT MATCH.
SO I, I GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, UH, SO ESSENTIALLY IF, IF WE COME IN BELOW DART, WE WILL BE ASKED TO MATCH THEM INTO THAT FUND OR REBATE THEM BACK DOWN TO OUR PARTICIPATION LEVEL.
SO IF THEY HAD PUT IN A MILLION, WE ONLY PUT IN 900,000, THEN, THEN WE WOULD GIVE BACK A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO, TO MATCH AT YEARS FIVE AND 10.
WELL, WITH DART'S GIVEN UP, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING SALES TAX INTO THIS FUND.
RIGHT? IT'D BE AD VALOREM WOULD BE FINE.
IT JUST, ANYTHING WITHIN THE F WITHIN THE FUND IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS IS CITY MATCH IS, IS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR SALES TAX MATCH VERSUS OUR, UH, UH, YEAH, PROPERTY TAX, UH, CORRECT MATCH.
WHAT ESSENTIALLY JUST SAYING, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING, WE'RE AT LEAST GOING AS FAR AS THEY ARE, BUT, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT WOULD BE LOW.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE LOW TO ME ALSO.
UM, SO IF WE APPROVE THIS AND IT INCLUDES 30 YEARS, UH, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE US TO CHANGE IF WE DECIDED TO GO TO 20 YEARS FOR SOME REASON? SO ANY FUTURE COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE, THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN AND CHANGE THE TERM, THE PARTICIPATION RATE, THE ZONE, THE BOUNDARIES.
AND IT'S VERY COMMON TO SEE THESE AMENDED ALL, ALL THE TIME.
SO THAT, THAT GIVES ME SOME, SOME COMFORT THERE.
BEING ABLE TO CHANGE IT IF SOME THINGS CHANGE WITH PENDING AGREEMENTS AND THE NEGOTIATIONS, SO THAT, THAT CHECKS THAT BOX FOR ME.
THIS WHAT BOTHERS ME SOMETIMES ABOUT STAFF RECOMMENDS OR STAFF PROPOSES THAT FIRST BULLET.
UM, STAFF PROPOSED THE CITY COUNCIL SERVE.
I THINK CITY COUNCIL, UH, KIND OF GAVE DIRECTION TO SAY THAT WE, WE PREFER THAT WE, UH, SERVE.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT WENT DOWN.
WE, WE SAID, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE THE BOARD.
AND THAT'S, UH, WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO, UM, FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, UH, MAYBE IT'S A COUPLE SLIDES.
SO FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS OF THAT? UM, WHAT'S IN THERE? WHAT'S THE COMPONENTS OF THAT? SO IT IS THIS, THIS IS SORT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, SO THIS IS THE, ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS ROLLED UP.
SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT, AND IT'S, IT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET, IS YOU HAVE A VERY LINE ITEM DETAIL THAT CRYSTAL BALL EXERCISE THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH TALKED ABOUT, ESSENTIALLY SAYING, HEY, WHERE ARE THESE NUMBERS COME FROM? AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PLAN, THIS IS THE PROJECT COST THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.
SO, SO THIS IS REALLY, I GUESS, WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED WITH.
UM, SO THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO TONIGHT.
WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT TONIGHT.
THAT'S GONNA COME BACK AND IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE BOARD, WHICH IS US.
WE'RE GONNA COR SO THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY AND THEN YOU COULD, IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE IT, THEN THAT COULD COME BACK FOR THE FINAL.
SO THESE ARE JUST PROJECTIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
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GONNA SPEND $33 MILLION ON PE PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS.AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CLARIFY.
CHAPTER THREE 11 JUST STATES THAT YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE A, YOU'RE GONNA CORRECT, UH, COLLECT THE INCREMENT.
YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLAN TO WHERE IT GOES, BUT IT'S, UM, FLEXIBLE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU CAN MOVE THOSE FROM LINE ITEM TO LINE ITEM.
THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT IS ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
IF YOU WENT OVER ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, YOU COULDN'T, I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE UNDER, I UNDERSTAND WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN'T FIXED.
AND, AND THEN GOING BACK TO YOUR EARLIER POINT IS, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE AREA IS BUILT OUT OUTS A RESOUNDING SUCCESS, AND THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, FUND BALANCE AT ANY POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TERMINATE THE ZONE AND ANY EXCESS FUNDS WOULD RETURN TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE FINAL POINT I WANNA MAKE, IS WE, WE CAN CANCEL THIS ANY TIME.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF, UM, IT IS 30 YEARS AND, AND IT SERVED ITS PURPOSE AT YEAR 15, THEN WE CAN DISSOLVE IT AND HAVE THE REST OF THE FUNDS BE APPLIED TO ALL THE, ALL THE TOWN AND FOR THE GOOD.
IT'S LIKE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT VERSUS CHECKING ACCOUNT.
IN THE GENERAL FUND, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING THIS AWAY FOR SAVINGS AND, AND DEDICATING TO IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL YOUR FUNDS AND YOU CAN MOVE IT, YOU CAN CLOSE THAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA, AGAIN, UH, I'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF THIS THE WHOLE TIME OF TARGETED REINVESTMENT.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, BOXES THAT IT CHECKS INCLUDE, INCLUDING A PARTNER SUCH AS DART, UH, AS WELL AS OTHER PRIMING.
THE, THE ENGINE OF THIS AREA IS AN ENGINE THAT DRIVES A LOT OF, UH, ECONOMIC FOR THE TOWN, EVEN AT THE 20% INCREMENT THAT THE REST OF THE TOWN WOULD GET.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE BOARD, UH, CONVERSATION.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CITY COUNCIL BEING THE BOARD, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN ASKED FOR GUIDANCE.
I THINK TONIGHT IS THAT, THAT NIGHT? SO I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND THAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED IT, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GIVING GUIDANCE ON THAT TONIGHT.
I I, I HAVEN'T GIVEN GUIDANCE ON THAT BECAUSE I, WE WEREN'T ASKED YET, YET.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST MY, MY REMEMBER, UH, WHAT I RECALL ABOUT, UH, ALL THESE VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS.
UM, CAN WE, ON SLIDE 12, WAYNE, CAN YOU KIND OF, I'M STRUGGLING WITH A COUPLE THINGS ON HERE.
UM, THE FIRST BULLET ITEM, TRANSIT ANCHOR, AND IT SAYS, MUST INCLUDE A DART STATION, A RELATED FACILITY WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ON THE SAME PAGE WITH YOU.
IS THE ADDISON STATION, THE RAIL STATION AND THAT PLATFORM, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT DART STATION? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE MUCH BIGGER? CORRECT.
SO WE'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED THE BULLET 0.1, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ON THE SAME, SAME PAGE.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN DART CONTRIBUTION, YOU KNOW, DARREN ASKED ABOUT THAT.
YOU, YOU EXPLAINED THAT, BUT, UM, AT THE VERY END WITH FTA, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT ACRONYM MEANS? UH, SO THAT'S FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION, OR TRA I THINK IT'S TRANSPORTATION ADMINISTRATION.
UM, ESSENTIALLY AT THE TIME THIS WAS 55 60, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS 60%.
AND ESSENTIALLY THAT JUST MEANS, WAS IT A, UM, PROPERTY THAT WAS PURCHASED WITH FTA FUNDS, WHICH IN FACT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED THAT, THAT THE DART SIDE HERE IN ADDISON IS AN FTA FUNDED PROJECT.
SO IT WOULD BE THE 60% IT IS, IT IS, IT IS, IT WOULD BE THE 60%.
SO FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SPELLED IT OUT AND THEN I WOULD ALRIGHT.
UM, AND SO, SO SO DART HASN'T AGREED TO THEIR CONTRIBUTION LEVEL, BUT BUT ON THE PROJECTIONS, YOU, YOU INSERTED 60%? THEY HAVE, ACCORDING, THEY HAVE ACCORDING TO, ACCORDING TO THE, UM, DART APPROVED, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY CALL IT, SOME, UM, LETTER.
UM, BUT ANYWAYS, WITHIN THAT LETTER THAT THEY, THAT THEY STATE IN WHICH WE GO INTO THE ILA, IT WOULD BE 60% FOR US AT 10 YEARS UNDER, UNDER THESE TERMS. OKAY.
UM, AND, AND IT IS, AND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THERE, THAT THEIR 60% WOULD BE MORE, 60% OF SALES TAX WOULD BE MORE THAN OUR 80%.
'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT THE FIRST 10 YEARS, 80% OF OUR, UH, PROPERTY VALUE IN THE TUR ZONE.
UM, SO THE CITY MATCH MIGHT NOT EVEN APPLY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
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AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, BUT DID, SO MR. SLAGEL IS TALKING ABOUT A 20 YEAR, UM, DART CONTRIBUTING AT A 20 YEAR LEVEL.MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PROPOSAL IS NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S NOW I I THINK I CASE BY CASE FOR PARTICIPATING, UM, MUNICIPALITIES, THEY WANNA DO ANYTHING BEYOND THIS PRE-APPROVED.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING 20 YEARS IS NOT ON THE TABLE.
AND UH, AND I THINK FOR, FOR ALL OF THE SORT OF LIKE THIS, THIS WAS A PRE-APPROVED FOR EVERYONE.
THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THE 10 YEAR TERM AT, AT THESE RATES, THAT WAS WHAT'S, WHAT WAS APPROVED IN JUNE OF 2025.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT GOT WITH WITHIN THE DART PIECE THAT, UM, MR. SLAGEL WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT THAT 20 YEAR EXTENDING IT TO 20 YEARS IS, IS NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED OKAY.
OR ALL OF THE PARTICIPATING UNITS.
AND REALLY, OBVIOUSLY I'M TALKING ABOUT US, UH, ADDISON.
UH, SO WHAT WAYNE'S SAYING IS, YEAH, THE, THE POINT, THE BLANKET EVERYONE GETS 20 YEARS THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENED.
IT'S NO LONGER HAPPENING FOR ADDISON.
WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH DART OF EXTENDING BEYOND 10 YEARS AND WE EXPECT THAT TO GO FORWARD IN THE TIMELINE THAT WAYNE MENTIONED TO COUNCIL MEMBER BLANTON.
SO, SO WE ARE IN ACTIVE NEGOTIATIONS FOR, FOR SOMETHING OVER, OVER A 10 YEAR TURS WITH DART LONGER THAN 10 YEARS, CORRECT? MM-HMM
UM, AND THEY'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE, THOUGH.
THEY'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING MORE THAN 10 YEARS.
THIS, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE QUITE INNOVATIVE, CERTAINLY DART.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK THIS WE VERY WELL COULD BE THE, THE VERY FIRST EVER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, CERTAINLY.
AND ON IT COULD BE NUMBER ONE.
ON SLIDE 14 WE'VE GOT DART, DART AT, UH, 4,398,000.
SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S ONE YEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LESS THAN 1% OF THE PARTICIPATION.
UM, I'M SORRY IF IT'S TENURE, IF THERE, IT'S A 10 YEAR COMMITMENT, IT'S LESS THAN 1% OF THE TOTAL CONTRIBUTION.
UM, SO I GUESS I'M CONFU DO WE FEEL CONFIDENT? I MEAN, WHY DID YOU PUT THREE 30 YEARS IN THERE? DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT OR WE JUST, WELL, IF YOU NOTICE THE PARTICIPATION SAYS ZERO IN THERE.
THAT IS JUST THE TOTAL TAXES GENERATED WITHIN THE ZONE.
UM, THOSE ARE THE SALES TAX PROJECTIONS TO ADDISON JUNCTION.
SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR OVER A YEAR OR TWO YEARS NOW, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FROM STAFF, A 30 YEAR TOURS THE ENTIRE TIME.
GETTING DART TO PARTICIPATE LONGER THAN 10 YEARS IS FANTASTIC.
IT MAKES THE WHOLE PROJECT LOOK BETTER.
WE BELIEVE IT A 30 YEAR TOURS IS APPROPRIATE REGARDLESS IF IT'S 10 YEARS YEAH.
PARTICIPATION OR MORE FROM DART BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER REASONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE TOURS THAT WE GET, ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THAT WE CAN GET MORE INTEREST IN BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS TOOL THAT CAN BE REINVESTED THAT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH ADD INJUNCTION, THAT WE CAN BE ASSURED THAT ALL THE DEBT THAT WE'RE TAKING OUT FOR ADDISON JUNCTION IS PAID THROUGH INCREMENT.
THAT IS, THAT COMES THAT IS DERIVED FROM THE PROJECT AND FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO IF YOUR QUESTION IS WHY DID WE DIDN'T PICK 30? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH DART.
WE PICKED 30, WE PICKED 30 BECAUSE WE THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE LENGTH FOR THE TURS.
NO, I, I GET, I GET THE 30 YEAR I, WHAT I DON'T GET IS IF, IS, IF I DON'T GET WHY WE'RE PUTTING 30 YEARS WORTH OF PARTICIPATION MONEY ON DART.
'CAUSE WE'RE ALL RUNNING AROUND HERE THINKING, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOUR, 4,398,000.
I, I JUST, WHEN I DO THIS, I JUST PROJECT CONSERVATIVELY.
I DON'T, I DON'T PROJECT IT AS AGGRESSIVE AS AS LIKE A DART 30 YEAR PARTICIPATION.
IS THAT, IS THAT THAT'S JUST 10 YEARS.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S 30 YEARS.
THAT IS A, THAT 4.3, THAT'S 30 YEARS NUMBER IS 30 YEARS LAST MEETING.
BUT IT'S THE TOTAL TAXES GENERATED.
THE NEXT COLUMN OVER TELLS YOU THE PARTICIPATION NUMBER WITHIN THE TURS.
AND SO WE'RE NOT PROJECTING ANY PARTICIPATION WITHIN THIS PRELIMINARY FINANCING PLAN FROM ANY OTHER TAXING UNITS AT, AT THIS TIME ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE.
I, I GUESS AND THEN IF, IF ONCE WE, AND HONESTLY I'D, AND I'D HAVE TO EVEN LOOK AT CHAPTER THREE 11 BECAUSE DART LEGALLY CANNOT PARTICIPATE WITHIN THE THREE 11.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE COULD PUT, PUT THOSE NUMBERS WITHIN
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THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN THAT WOULD LIVE AS A SEPARATE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.SO THESE, THESE ARE THOSE, THIS IS THE 30 YEAR ESTIMATED PIECE WITH TOTAL TAX WITH DART, DART AND, AND DART CONTRIBUTING 30 YEARS, WHICH THEY'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE.
WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SHOWING CO CONTRIBUTION, IT'S JUST SHOWING THE TAXES GENERATED.
I NEED HELP ANY DART MONEY IN THAT PLAN.
THERE'S NOT ANY DART MONEY CONTRIBUTING IN THAT TABLE.
THIS IS A FORMAL CALCULATION THAT WE HAVE TO DO OR PROFORMA CALCULATION THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET A TURS.
YEAH, WHEN YOU DO IT, YOU HAVE TO SHOW ALL OF THE TAXABLE VALUE THAT'S GOING INTO THE TAX, INTO THE T PARTICIPATION.
BECAUSE DART IS NOT FORMALLY PART OF THE TS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH DART FOR THE SALES TAX REVENUE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE IT IN THE COLUMN.
'CAUSE THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN'T ADJUST, BUT WE WANT AD HOC, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ILA SEPARATE.
AND, AND SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS AND, AND WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE NET BENEFIT ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN FOR DART, THE 4,398,000 6 629, THAT THAT IS THEIR, THAT IS A PROJECTION OF THEIR SALES TAX CONTRIBUTION AT 60% OVER 30.
I'M I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT'S THERE.
WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS THE 1% THAT GOES TO OUR, AND THE 1% THAT GOES TO US RIGHT OVER THAT TIME IS GONNA INCREASE $4.3 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS.
THAT'S 4.3 WITH THE ILA, WE WOULD GET 60% OF THAT 4.3 THAT WOULD GO TO DART GOES INTO THE TURS.
SO WE WOULDN'T GET THE FOUR, WE'D GET 60% OF THAT HOPEFULLY.
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S OVER 30 YEARS.
BACK TO RANDY'S POINT ABOUT THIS TOUR POTENTIALLY COULD FIT IN THE BACK POCKET OF A BIGGER CITY, UM, OR A WHOLE TOWN COULD FIT IN THE POCKET.
CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF A TOUR? ONE THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME IS IRVING WITH THEIR, UM, THAT REDEVELOPMENT.
CAN YOU TELL, CAN YOU HELP EXPRESS OR EXPLAIN HOW THE TOWN WOULD BENEFIT IF THIS TOUR IS SUCCESSFUL? MEANING I HYPOTHETICAL I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS SITTING HERE WAS HYPOTHETICALLY IF DART WAS ATTACHED TO BEFORE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY WAS DEVELOPED, IF THAT WAS THE END RESULT WAS VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
AND LOOK WHAT IT BROUGHT TO ALL RESIDENTS OF ADDISON.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET US TO GET OUR WRAP HEAD WRAPPED AROUND IS WHAT COULD COME ON THE COME IF FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN EVERYONE WOULD BENEFIT REGARDLESS IF YOU STAYED IN THE HOTEL, WHETHER YOU WORKED IN THE OFFICE TOWER.
SO THEN IF YOU LOOK OVER, YOU SEE THE TS PARTICIPATION RATE AT, CALL IT ONE EIGHT FOUR, THE NET BENEFIT THAT THAT GOES, THAT REMAINS WITH A GENERAL FUND.
SO OVER THAT 30 YEARS THAT CALL IT, IT'S ALMOST A LITTLE CLOSE TO A 50 50 SPLIT.
SO CALL IT FIFTY FIVE FORTY FIVE, THE ENTIRE GENERAL FUND WOULD, WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE 1 7 4 NUMBER.
AND THEN IT IS CIRCULAR IN THE SENSE THAT THIS ASSUMES THAT THE REINVESTMENT WORKS.
AND SO YOU GET ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THEN YOU, AND BECAUSE OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT YOU GET, YOU SEE A HIGHER GROWTH RATE.
SO THIS IS A BEST CASE SCENARIO, BUT EITHER WAY, THE PARTICIPATION RATE, WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS COME IN, WOULD, WOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO 50 50 WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE WHEN YOU DO THE, THE, THE, THE STAIR STEP.
ONE THING I WOULD ADD TOO, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, IF YOU, IF WE DON'T HAVE A TOURS, WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON ADDISON JUNCTION.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A TOURS THAT'S COMING OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND.
SO REALLY THE FIRST, FOR THE FIRST MANY YEARS OF THE TOURS, IT'S JUST GONNA BE PAYING BACK SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PAID FOR THE GENERAL FUND IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A TURS.
SO THAT'S THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THIS TURS IS WE ALREADY HAVE A, OUR LINCHPIN PROJECT ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND FUNDING GOING TOWARD IT.
THIS JUST BECOMES HOW WE FUND IT AS OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DRIVE AT THAT THAT'S WHERE EVERY ADDISON RESIDENT WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE TOURS VERSUS THOSE WHO WORK OR PLAY IN THAT GENERAL AREA OF THAT BOX.
SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, RIGHT, WE, WE'VE GOT A 10 YEAR DEAL FROM DART ON THE TABLE.
IF THAT GETS NEGOTIATED, THE 20 OR 30 WE CAN, I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE TURS, RIGHT? THAT THAT AGREEMENT WITH DART IS ALREADY INCORPORATED AND IF IT'S 20 OR 30 YEARS THERE, THERE IS, THERE'S
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NO BENEFIT REALLY TO WAITING TO SEE HOW THAT DEAL GETS NEGOTIATED, WHETHER IT'S 20 OR 30 YEARS.'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD LIVE OUTSIDE OF, OF THIS FINANCING PLAN.
SO, AND IN ORDINANCE, I MEAN TO RANDY'S POINT, ALL WE'RE REALLY DOING IS REDIRECTING FUNDS, YOU KNOW, TO THE TURS RATHER THAN TO THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE REASON WHY I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IS, AND AND YOU SORT OF TOUCHED ON IT JUST NOW, YOU KNOW, 80% GOES TO THE TURS IN YEARS ONE THROUGH 10, BUT THAT MEANS 20% GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO WE ARE GETTING THE BENEFIT OF THAT INCREASE IN ADVIL ARM AND THEN IT GRADUALLY DECREASES.
SO 65% IN YEARS 11 THROUGH 20 GOES TO THE TURS.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S 35 THAT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN IT'S 50 IN YEARS, 21 THROUGH 30.
SO WE ARE THE GENERAL FUND DOES BENEFIT.
UM, AND THEN IF WE GET IN A SITUATION WHERE IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED AND WE FIND THAT MAYBE THE GENERAL FUND IS HURTING, WE CAN ALWAYS, UM, END THE TURS.
UM, I THOUGHT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 YEAR PARTICIPATION.
I MAY, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN, BUT IT'S 30 YEARS.
HE MISSPOKEN SAID 20, BUT IT'S 10.
I, I HEARD 20 AND THAT'S WHAT I DID.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A TURS THAT WILL LAST 20 YEARS LONGER THAN A PARTICIPATION FROM A PARTNER.
I WOULD PREFER TO DO A 10 YEAR TURS AND COME BACK IN 10 YEARS AND DO ANOTHER ONE IF WE NEEDED TO RATHER THAN HAVE TO CANCEL ONE.
BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON, BUT THAT'S HARDER FOR A COUNCIL TO DO AND THEY JUST KEEP THINGS GOING.
AND I, I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT ON THE BACK OF ANOTHER COUNCIL TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY.
UM, I I I WON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
UM, I CANNOT SUPPORT A 30 YEAR TURS.
I WON'T SUPPORT A 30 YEARS TURS WITH THE VOTE TONIGHT.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING OF, OF A SHORTER TERM FOR ME TO GET BEHIND WITH THE KNOWING THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND DO ONE LATER, DARREN.
SO I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FOCUS TO FUNDING AND, UH, CATALYST AND KIND OF, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, UH, THIS 20% THAT WE'RE GETTING UPFRONT, IT'S STILL 20%, IT'S 20% OF GROWTH.
SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE DO NOTHING OPTION WITH NO TURS IS, UM, IT'S A STRATEGY, IT'S A BAD STRATEGY, BUT I'D RATHER HAVE 20% OF GOOD GROWTH VERSUS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF NO GROWTH.
SO THAT'S THE WAY THAT I LOOK AT THIS.
THIS IS AN INVESTMENT, TARGETED INVESTMENT IN THIS, THIS AREA, WHICH IS A CATALYST THAT'S GONNA AFFECT A LOT AND, AND INCREASE THAT.
EVEN THAT 20% THAT GOES INTO THE, THE, UM, GENERAL FUND WILL RISE THAT THE REST OF THE TIDE OF THE TOWN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A POINT THAT WE CAN'T OVERLOOK IS THAT THAT GROWTH IS GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL BECAUSE WE'RE THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING THIS AND THEN AS IT ACCELERATES IS COMES UP TO BE CLOSE TO 50 50.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO MAKE AS WELL.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU THIS SLIDE, SORRY, MY BRAIN NEVER REGISTERED.
I FINALLY GOT, I MEAN, WITH REGARD TO THE DART PIECE OF THIS AND SAYING THAT UPFRONT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE FUNDING THAT THAT WOULD COME OUT OF DART, DART FUNDING IS GONNA BE PART OF THIS PROJECTION THAT WE HAVE OF INCREMENT OVER THE 30 YEARS.
SO THAT CLARIFICATION HELPS ME.
CHRIS, CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, SO TALK, TALK AGAIN ABOUT HOW WE'RE, WE'RE ISSUING DEBT BACKED BY AVALARA, BUT, BUT WE'RE GONNA PAY BACK WITH THE TURS.
SO AT A MINIMUM, THE TURS NEEDS TO MATCH THE TERM OF OUR DEBT.
UM, AND IT, OH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST, WANNA BE MORE OF THE FINANCING ON MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PRACTICE, RIGHT? YOU WOULD WANT TO MATCH IT UP AS WE PLAN AHEAD.
IT'S BACKED BY AD VALOR, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA DO THAT TRANSFER OVER THE DEBT SERVICE SO THAT WE CAN PAY IT.
AND THEN WE'RE USING 20 YEAR DEBT, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO AT LEAST GO 20.
I THINK ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT THE CATALYTIC EFFECTS OF THIS 10 YEARS FROM NOW, AND THEN WHAT OTHER PUBLIC PROJECTS DO WE HAVE 10 YEARS FROM NOW? SO THEN YOU'VE GOT 20 YEAR DEBT ON THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT KIND OF GETS YOU TO THE 30 ONCE SAY CALL 10 YEARS FULLY STABILIZED.
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JUST GENERAL BEST PRACTICE.I TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN, THAT LA THERE MEETING 10 YEARS.
SO JUST THINKING ABOUT, SO WE'RE LIKE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TIMING EARLIER OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN'S IT GONNA BE FINISHED? 10 YEARS COMES IN, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THOSE SPILLOVER EFFECTS.
THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO DO AROUND MADISON CIRCLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
IT JUST, IT ALLOWS YOU TO, IF YOU WANTED TO, TO USE THE TURS TO PAY OFF ANY SORT OF, UH, DEBT THAT WOULD BE ISSUED WITHIN THE ZONE.
SO IN, IN YEAR EIGHT, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE'RE FURTHER ALONG ON ASEN CIRCLE PARK AND WE HAVE OUR OTHER FUNDING FROM PRIVATE SOURCES AND WE WANT A CERTAIN AMOUNT FROM DEBT TO HELP ASEN CIRCLE PARK FUNDED THROUGH THE TURS.
WE ISSUE AND DO 20 YEAR DEBT IN YEAR EIGHT.
OR WE WANNA DO A PAVER PROGRAM TO REPLACE THE PAVERS AND WE ISSUE DEBT THAT'S BACKED BY THE TURS.
AND SO THAT ADDS 20 MORE YEARS IN YEAR EIGHT.
OR YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU DON'T WANT TO ISSUE ANY MORE DEBT AND, AND YOU JUST CANCEL THE THING IN, IN YEAR 20 WHEN THE DEBT'S REPAID.
OR, OR, OR YOU CAN CASH FUND ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING.
THANK, BUT YOU HAVE TO USE THAT ON MOBILITY.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE THE TURS, WELL NOT AFTER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD, BUT IN THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD YOU HAVE TO USE DART'S, ONLY DART'S FUNDING.
BUT DART'S, DART'S SHARE ON MOBILITY ISSUES.
WHAT THE TRUTH IS, WE CAN USE DART'S FUNDING FOR EVERYTHING WITH THE TOD AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING FOR THE FIRST 15 YEARS.
I'M, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT GOING MUCH FARTHER THAN THAT.
AND TO ME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DO WE PUT THE MONEY HERE, DO WE PUT THE MONEY THERE? BECAUSE IF THERE'S NO MATCH FROM ANYONE ELSE, IF IT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S JUST LIKE WE WOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO DO IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT WE WOULD MU WE MUST DO IT OUT OF THE TURS IF WE HAVE A TURS.
SO THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE THERE WITHOUT THE PARDON, THE SAME MONEY.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE IN A DIFFERENT POT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND.
SO I PERSONALLY JUST DON'T WANT TO GET LOCKED IN WITHOUT A PARTNER.
UH, YOU TELL ME THEY, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A 20 YEAR I'D BE IN FAVOR OF 20, BUT 30 IS JUST, THAT'S WAY TOO LONG FOR ME.
ANY, ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, WHICH ITEM IS IT? FIVE A A, UM,
WAYNE, CAN YOU PUT SLIDE SEVEN UP FOR US A LITTLE BIT? CAN WE GET A SECOND FIRST BEFORE WE DO IT? I GOT A SECOND.
AND I'VE GOT, UH, A DISCUSSION.
SO ON THIS SLIDE, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE, UM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WE'RE GIVEN THE PROPER GUIDANCE.
IT'S GOT CREATION, IT'S, UH, I, I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE CREATION ORDINANCE, ESTABLISHING FIVE KEY ELEMENTS.
AND SO, UH, HELP ME DURING, 'CAUSE THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
UM, DOES IT INCLUDE ALL FIVE OF THOSE KEY KEY ELEMENTS? YES, IT DOES.
UM, AND THE TERM THERE IS NO TERM LISTED.
SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 30, RIGHT? IS AS IN THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, IT'S 30 YEARS.
UM, YEAH, NOW I'VE GOT MY, GOT WHAT I NEEDED.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ONE MORE QUICK THING, MAYOR.
THE, UH, ON THE BOARD, I HAVE ZERO ISSUE WITH THIS COUNCIL.
IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS ODD TO ME THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A BOARD THAT SOLELY REPORTS TO THE COUNCIL AND THOSE, THOSE, THAT BOARD IS THE EXACT SAME PEOPLE THAT THE COUNCIL IS.
AND FOR TRANSPARENCY AND FOR THE LOOK FROM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE JUDGE AND JURY BASICALLY IN A, IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE OPTICS OF THE COUNCIL BEING THE BOARD 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST NO OTHER INPUT.
I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THAT JUST FOR THE, THE PUBLIC.
THE, THE TRUTH IS THE, THIS BOARD, FOR THE FIRST MANY YEARS, ALL THEY'RE GONNA DO IS SAY WE APPROVE PAYING THE DEBT ON ADDISON JUNCTION.
THERE'S JUST NOT GONNA BE THAT MUCH THAT THE BOARD'S DOING BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A PROJECT IDENTIFIED AND FUNDS IDENTIFIED.
SO YOU HAVE A BOARD THAT'S CREATED THAT'S JUST NOT DOING VERY MUCH.
I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
IT'S JUST THE, THE, IT'S JUST THE, THE IMAGE OF THE SAME PEOPLE DOING IT TO EACH OTHER AND THAT JUST, BUT THE GOOD THING IS THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS, CORRECT? NO, I
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AGREE.AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
AND WE'LL CLARIFY THAT FOR ME THEN.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY MEETINGS OF THE BOARD BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
EVERYTHING WILL BE IN THE PUBLIC EYE.
SO WHENEVER WE HAVE THESE, YOU'LL HAVE A COUNCIL AGENDA AND IT'LL SAY COUNCIL MEETING STARTS AT SEVEN, AT 6 45.
AND SO WE WILL CALL THE BOARD TS BOARD IN THE ORDER AND WE'LL HAVE THAT MEETING.
THEN THE COUNCIL MEETING WILL START.
SO THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO REASON OF SECRECY TO HAVE THE OTHER BOARD MEET IN A PRIVATE SESSION AND THEN JUST COME OUT AND RUBBER STAMP WHAT WE DID IN A, IN A CLOSED MEETING.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS MORE MEETINGS.
SO WE'RE GONNA
THAT HELPS ME TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I I THOUGHT THE BOARD WOULD BE MEETING SEPARATE FROM MEETINGS AND MORE IN PRIVATE.
I THINK THE ATTORNEY HAS JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION.
SO THIS ORDINANCE THAT Y'ALL ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT TO VOTE ON ACTUALLY HAS A SPECIFIC SECTION THAT SAYS THAT THIS, UH, BOARD IS SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT SPECIFICALLY.
YEAH, I KNOW WE, UH, WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, COMPOSITION OF, OF WHAT THE TS BOARD IS.
IT'S, IT WAS COMMON FOR OF, OF MANY TOURS, UH, TO BE THE CITY COUNCIL.
IS IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND IN OUR CONVERSATION, IN OUR DISCUSSION DELIBERATION THAT WE HAD.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A CHECK AND BALANCE, UH, THING HERE.
IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE WE, WE ARE THE BOARD AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A FORMALITY, UM, CALLING IT A TERRORIST BOARD.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I, THAT THE CONVERSATION WENT AS WE WERE DELIBERATING THIS ON COUNCIL, ON THE COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
[a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution adopting the Wayfinding and Signage Master Plan.]
YOU EVERYBODY.ALRIGHT, ITEM SIX A PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE WAY FINDING AND SIGNAGE MASTER PLAN.
BECKY, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
BECKY DIVINITY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IN ENGINEERING.
I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE WAY FINDING SIGNAGE AND, AND MASTER PLAN.
SO I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT WAYFINDING IS.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A REMINDER, YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
UM, IT'S TO HELP PEOPLE FIND DIRECTION TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
UM, THE PURPOSE IS TO REPLACE ALL OF THE EXISTING SIGNAGE WE HAVE HAVE OUT THERE.
UM, IT DOES MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALIGNING WITH OUR KEY FOCUS AREAS AND OUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES.
AND THEN ALSO WITH THE ADDISON 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION.
UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME, BUT WE HAVE NEW SIGNS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED TO MATCH, UM, AND JUST MATCH THE SYSTEM AND REFLECT THE TOWN FEEL.
THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE SIZES BASED ON, UM, LOCATION.
UM, THERE'S LOGIC BASED ON DIRECTING PEOPLE TO BOTH DISTRICTS AND DESTINATIONS.
UM, I THINK I TALKED IN BRIEF, UH, DETAIL ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, BUT KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE TWO SPECIFIC AREAS OR DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, DENOTED IN THE OVERALL PLAN, WHICH ARE THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT AND THE BELTLINE CORRIDOR.
WE WILL HAVE FUTURE LOCATIONS FOR OTHER AREAS, UM, AS THE TOWN DEVELOPS.
WE JUST SP SPOKE OUT ON, UM, ADDISON JUNCTION SPECIFICALLY.
UM, THE COTTON BELT TRAIL WOULD BE ANOTHER AREA AS YOU'RE COMING OFF OF THE, UM, DNT SERVICE ROAD AND YOU'RE NOW IN ADDISON OR YOU'RE GOING, UM, AT THE, UH, AREA WHERE CARROLLTON, UM, BISECTS ON THE COTTON BELT TRAIL.
WE WILL WANT TO ENSURE THAT THROUGHOUT THOSE LOCATIONS IN THOSE AREAS, UM, THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN ADDISON ALONG THAT TRAIL.
WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM YOU AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, THE ONE SIGN UPDATE THAT WE HAVE MADE IS TO REMOVE THAT K ONE AND K ONE M, UM, WHICH WERE THE LARGER SIGNS.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF YOU, UH, SPOKE ON, UH, THE PREFERENCE OF THE K TWO SIGN AND THE K TWO M.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT REPRESENTED IN THIS SIGN TYPE ARRAY.
SO, UM, THIS DOES LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PRESENTATION IN YOUR PACKET.
I DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I CLEANED UP THE CHARTS A LITTLE BIT, MADE 'EM A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY.
UM, AND SO THIS WILL ALSO, UH, BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE, UM, IF NEED BE.
UM, SO, UH, I ONE AND I TWO, UM, ARE GOING TO BE THOSE WELCOME ID SIGNS.
UM, LAST TIME WE MET YOU ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR A BREAKDOWN OF COST FOR EACH ONE OF THESE SIGNS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY $20,000 FOR THE WELCOME ID SIGNS THAT ARE THE LARGER SIGNS AND APPROXIMATELY, UH, $17,000 FOR THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS, UM, WITH M-U-T-C-D THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKING INTO.
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SO APPROXIMATELY THE WELCOME SIGNS ARE ABOUT 142,000 FOR IMPLEMENTATION.I WILL, UM, TELL YOU THROUGHOUT EACH ONE OF THESE CHARTS, THEY DO NOT INCLUDE A CONTINGENCY, UM, ADDITIONAL DESIGN FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STRUCTURAL FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, WE WILL GO THROUGH A FORMAL BIDDING PROCESS, UM, AND TAKE THIS PROJECT OUT TO BID.
AND THEN AT THAT TIME YOU WILL SEE THIS, UH, OVERALL PROCESS AGAIN, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN APPROVE THOSE SIGNS AT THAT TIME.
SO WE HAVE 'EM IN TWO SEPARATE PHASES.
THESE SIGN, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN WHAT YOU SAW LAST TIME, SIMPLY FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THEY'RE NOT INCLUDING, LIKE I MENTIONED, CONTINGENCY.
UM, THE CIVIL ENGINEERING DESIGN, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING DESIGN, UM, AND THE DEMOLITION, UM, IN THOSE AREAS, THE THE SIGN TYPES THAT WE BROKE DOWN FOR YOU BEFORE HAD ALL OF THOSE THINGS INCLUDED.
THIS IS JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SIGN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU REQUESTED.
THE VEHICULAR GUIDE SIGNS, WE HAVE G ONE THROUGH G FIVE AND YOU CAN SEE THE RANGE IN PRICE.
UM, G ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 18,000.
UH, G TWO IS RIGHT AT 19 ALONG WITH G THREE.
UM, AND THEN G FOUR IS ABOUT 1500, AND G FIVE IS RIGHT AT 2300.
SO THE TOTAL VEHICULAR GUIDE SIGN PACKAGE IS ABOUT $415,000.
UH, PARKING SIGNS, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF THESE.
SO, UM, A PARKING SIGN CAN BE ON A NEW POST OR AN EXISTING POST.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS ALONG WITH THAT, UM, ON THE BUILDING FLAG.
SO WE DO HAVE THOSE IN QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT TOWN.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE IF IT'S ON A BUILDING PANEL, SO, UH, THREE DIFFERENT TIME TYPES THERE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT VARIETY.
OVERALL PARKING SIGN COST IS ABOUT $73,000.
THE PEDESTRIAN KIOSK SIGNS, THIS IS WHERE WE HAD THE TWO DIFFERENT VARIETIES, THE K ONE AND THE K TWO.
UM, THE K TWO IS THE ONE THAT WE MOVED FORWARD WITH.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE THESE IN ABOUT NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT TOWN.
UM, AND THE APPROXIMATE COST OF THOSE IS ABOUT $147,000.
THE 9 1 1 TRAIL MARKERS, UM, WERE SOMETHING I KNOW THAT YOU WERE ALL VERY INTERESTED IN, UM, ACTUALLY AS A PART OF THE OVERALL UPDATED PLAN THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR BACKUP, UM, STAFF WORKED WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND ALSO, UM, OUR ENGINEERING DESIGN CONSULTANT AND WENT THROUGH AND EVALUATED LOCATIONS FOR THE REDDING TRAIL COTTON BELT TRAIL AND THE WHITE ROCK CREEK TRAIL TO ADD 9 1 1 MARKERS THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE AREA.
SO WE NOW HAVE THAT A PART OF THE PLAN, NOT ONLY FROM A GRAPHICAL SIGN REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE, BUT ALSO A PLAN FOR THE LOCATIONS OF WHERE THOSE SIGNS WILL BE DEPLOYED.
AT THIS TIME, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 23 SIGNS THAT WE'RE ESTIMATING AT A COST OF ABOUT $20,000 FOR THE SIGNS THEMSELVES TO BE MANUFACTURED.
UM, THE LANDMARK SIGN, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SIGN, IT'S MOVABLE.
IT COULD BE USED FOR FESTIVALS, IT COULD BE USED FOR KABOOM OCTOBER FEST, UM, OR OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN THROUGHOUT TOWN.
UM, THE TOWN HALL IDENTIFICATION.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON HERE.
UM, THERE'S THE LANDSCAPE INTERPRETIVE SIGN AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE FREESTANDING SIGNS, SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO SOME OF THOSE EXISTING FACADES AS YOU WALK OFF THE, UH, PARKING LOT INTO, UM, THE AREA, UH, LOCATED NEAR, UM, THE THEATER.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT'S ABOUT $186,000, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK.
SO OVERALL, THESE ARE JUST CONCEPTUAL COST ESTIMATES.
THIS IS A VERY SMALL GRAPH I KNOW, OR A CHART YOU CAN'T SEE.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU, UM, THAT SOME OF THESE COSTS, I KNOW I GOT ASKED THAT QUESTION THAT THEY SEEM EX YOU KNOW, EXTENSIVE OR LARGER.
UM, AND SO I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THE LARGER COST IS DUE TO, UM, THE LONGEVITY, THE MINIMAL MAINTENANCE THAT'LL BE REQUIRED FOR THESE.
AND THEN OF COURSE THEY'RE MADE, UM, FROM A DURABILITY STANDPOINT, SO THEY WILL LAST LONGER.
UM, THEY DO HAVE A SEVEN TO 10 YEAR WARRANTY.
UM, WITH THE MATERIALS THAT ARE CURRENTLY SPECED, WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT FIVE TO 10% OF THE, UM, OVERALL ANNUAL MAINTENANCE TO BE FROM THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT.
SO WE PLAN TO MAINTAIN THESE, UM, IT'LL COST APPROXIMATELY 65 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BASED ON THE OVERALL INVESTMENT ANNUALLY TO MAINTAIN THESE.
SO THAT'S CLEANING 'EM, WAXING 'EM, ET CETERA, UM, AND, AND MAKING SURE, UH, THAT THE HARDWARE IS COVERED.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT SOLAR PANELS.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, UM, TO SEE ABOUT SOLAR LIGHTING.
UM, SO THE, THE SOLAR PANEL ITSELF, UM, WOULD HAVE TO EITHER BE ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING SIGN IF IT HAD THAT AVAILABILITY OR BE ON A FREESTANDING POLE NEXT TO THE ACTUAL SIGN ITSELF.
UM, THOSE ACTUAL ESTIMATES ARE FAIRLY HIGH.
SO EACH INDIVIDUAL SIGN TO ADD SOLAR PANEL IS AN ESTIMATE OF ABOUT $12,000 PER SIGN, UM, TO ADD SOLAR TO THAT AREA.
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ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND TOO, AND OUR TEAM HAS, UM, BATTLED THIS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS IS WITH OUR TREE CANOPIES, SOME AREAS SOLAR WORKS FANTASTIC AND OTHER AREAS SOLAR'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, UM, AS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ASKED ME ABOUT.
SO THE WAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IS IN TWO DIFFERENT PACKAGES.
PHASE ONE WOULD BE THE FIRST PACKAGE, IT WOULD INCLUDE THE WELCOME ID, THE TOWN HALL AND THE LANDMARK SIGNS ALONG WITH THE PEDESTRIAN WAY FINDING AND THE TR AND 9 1 1 MARKERS.
UM, AND THEN PHASE TWO WOULD BE IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WHICH ARE THE VEHICULAR AND PARKING.
SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION AS A PART OF THE OVERALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BUDGET.
BACK IN 25, UM, THERE WAS 248,000 APPROXIMATELY SET ASIDE, WHICH WAS THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH KIMLEY HORN AND CORBIN DESIGN GROUP TO DO THIS OVERALL DESIGN PROJECT.
UM, THEN THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET WE HAVE ABOUT $789,000, UM, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THAT PHASE ONE IMPLEMENTATION I JUST MENTIONED.
UM, AND THE FUNDING SOURCE WILL BE THE HOTEL SPECIAL REVENUE FUND.
AND THEN IN 27, UM, WE HAVE PROJECTED TO HAVE THAT 804,000 THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
UM, AND IT'LL UH, SHOW UP IN THE NEXT YEAR'S FOR PHASE TWO IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH IS VEHICULAR AND PARKING.
UM, AND ALSO THAT'S GONNA BE FUNDED USING THAT HOTEL SPECIAL REVENUE FUND.
UM, SO STAFF IS REQUESTING ADOPTION OF THE WAYFINDING MASTER PLAN, UM, AT THIS COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, ONCE WE RECEIVE THAT ADOPTION, WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT PHASED IMPLEMENTATION THAT I'M MENTIONED WITH THE TWO DIFFERENT YEARS AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGNAGE.
UM, AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL, UM, THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH A FORMAL BIDDING PROCESS.
UM, IF WE DECIDE TO DO ANY KIND OF ADD ALTERNATES TO THAT BIDDING PROCESS, SAY YOU SAY WE'D LIKE TO REALLY LOOK AT SOLAR ON THESE COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SIGNS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EVALUATE.
UM, SO JUST KNOW THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THAT BIDDING PROCESS, THERE'S A CURRENT SPECIFICATION THAT'S IN THIS OVERALL DOCUMENT, UM, THAT YOU RECEIVED IN YOUR BACKUP THAT TELLS US EXACTLY THE WAY THESE SIGNS ARE GONNA BE MANUFACTURED.
UM, AND ALL OF THESE COSTS ARE, UH, BASED ON, UM, SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE METROPLEX RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'RE GREAT BID TABS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY OUR ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, UM, AS HE'S WORKED ON.
UM, AND THEIR TEAM HAS WORKED ON OTHER PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX.
MCKINNEY JUST RECENTLY OPENED SOME BIDS AND UM, SO THAT WAS A GREAT RESOURCE TO BE ABLE TO USE AS WE COME FORWARD, UM, WITH THIS SIGN PACKAGE.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, BECKY, CHRIS? SURE.
THANK YOU BECKY FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK THIS IS GREAT STUFF AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME YOU PUT ON INTO IT.
SO I, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE VISIT OUR CIRCLE DISTRICT OR VISIT BELTLINE CORRIDOR.
I FEEL LIKE IF A, A VISITOR IS COMING INTO OUR TOWN AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHO'S GONNA BENEFIT THE MOST FROM SOME OF THIS SIGNAGE AND WAY FINDING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT BELTLINE CORRIDOR IS OR THE CIRCLE DISTRICT.
SO IS THERE A WAY THAT MAYBE WE COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC? I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING LIKE RESTAURANT ROW IS SOMETHING THAT'S TRADEMARKED, BUT OKAY.
I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO TRY TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AND KEEP IN MIND SOMEONE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT BELTLINE REALLY IS.
I THINK THAT'S, UM, GREAT FEEDBACK AND AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PROJECT AND WORK THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION, THE ACTUAL SIGNING THAT'S ON THERE, THERE ARE, UH, ACTUAL, UM, DIFFERENT DESCRIPTIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THE DIFFERENT SIGNS, BUT THOSE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRAINSTORM ON AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE.
AND THEN THE VIDEO SCREENS, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THEM? I'M STILL NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE PEOPLE ARE GONNA REALLY USE THEM, BUT WHAT ARE THEY TOUCH? WE CAN, ARE THEY TOUCH SCREENS? ARE THEY, LIKE HOW DO YOU ENVISION PEOPLE USING THEM? WE SURE, SO THE MONITORS, UM, THEY'RE INTERACTIVE SO WE CAN PUT REALLY WHAT WE WANT ON THERE, WHETHER IT'S A NEWSLETTER, WHETHER IT'S A MAP THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS GRAPHICS AND THEY CAN TOUCH IT AND SHOW, OKAY, CLICK HERE AND IT SHOWS YOU HOW TO GET TO THAT LOCATION.
SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MAKE THE MONITOR WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE.
THE WAY THAT YOU SEE IT SHOWN CURRENTLY BEFORE YOU WOULD BE MORE OF A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF A MAP THAT WOULD HELP YOU LOGISTICALLY GET TO, TO AND FROM.
UM, AND MAYBE WITH SOME ADVERTISEMENT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE SKY'S THE LIMIT WITH THIS.
IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON.
SO MAYBE A LINK TO OUR WEBSITE, THE, THE PIECE THAT HAS ALL THE RESTAURANTS WE'VE GOT AND YOU CAN SEARCH BY LIKE, HEY, I WANT A BURGER OR I WANT THAI OR SOMETHING.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH AS, AS WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS REALLY BASED ON Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVE.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, ALL THIS IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH THE HOTEL FUND AND MAINTENANCE AS WELL.
DO YOU THINK ANNUALLY WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO THAT DETAIL, BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS YES, I GOT A NOD.
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I APPRECIATE IT.BECKY, COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
THOSE QUOTES, AND THEY'RE JUST, THAT, JUST ESTIMATES, WILL THOSE NUMBERS THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL INCLUDE THE FIRM INSTALLATION PER LOCATION OF EVERY SIGN? YES, SIR.
SO WHEN WE BID THE PROJECT, IT WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE FABRICATION, INSTALLATION, DEMOLITION, IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF ELECTRICAL WORK THAT'LL HAVE TO BE DONE, IT'LL BE THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE FOR US TO GET IT IN THE GROUND.
THE K TWO SIGNS BEING THAT THEY'RE LIT, WILL THOSE BE INSURED FOR THAT SEVEN TO 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF THE, THE, THE KIOSK LIGHTING ITSELF? WILL THOSE BE INSURED? YEP.
UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK THROUGH WITH THE ACTUAL SIGNED MANUFACTURER.
UM, THE TYPICAL MAINTENANCE ON THIS IS ABOUT SEVEN TO 10 YEARS.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, AS WE GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS PROJECT OUT TO BID, WE WOULD STATE WHAT WE WANT THAT MAINTENANCE PERIOD TO BE ON SOMETHING THAT'S ELECTRONIC LIKE THIS.
YEAH, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BEING COVERED.
DO WE KNOW IS, DID MCKINNEY DO A SIGN LIKE THIS WITH KIOSK WHERE WE CAN GO VISIT OURSELVES AHEAD OF TIME? UM, THERE ARE SOME, UH, THERE ARE, YEAH, IGNACIO MI HERE WITH, UH, KIMLEY HORN.
THERE ARE SOME SIGNS, BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE ACTUAL, THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING, AS BECKY SAID, WE WILL SPECIFY THOSE WARRANTIES WITHIN THE, UH, THE DOCUMENTS AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE NOW THEY HAVE SOME ALREADY IMPLEMENTED, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY'RE, YOU CAN EVEN GO INTO DOWNTOWN, UH, PLANO TO SEE SOME OF THOSE AS WELL.
SO SIMILAR TO THIS, I CAN GO VISIT PLANO TOMORROW AND SEE THOSE, SEE THOSE IN ACTION IN THE DOWNTOWN, UM, WITH SOME OF THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, OLD TOWN PLANO CORRECT.
OFF OF 15TH? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UH, CORRECT.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION BACK TO K TWOS, I THINK WE DID HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, BECKY, WE WERE GONNA USE THOSE SPECIFICALLY TO TARGET ADVERTISERS TO HELP AMORTIZE SOME OF THE COSTS.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO.
UM, SO AS WE LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION WE ARE GOING TO SHARE ON THIS, UH, ACTUAL MONITOR, THEN THOSE WILL BE THINGS THAT WE WILL EVALUATE AND SEE IF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANNA LOOK INTO.
SO BECKY, UM, I, I KNOW WE ASKED, UH, WELL, COUNCILMAN LIZIO SAID THAT WE CAN GO TO PLANO AND LOOK, IS THERE ANY WAY BEFORE WE START FABRICATING THE WELCOME, UH, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE ONE MOCKED UP SO WE CAN SEE IT IN PERSON OR IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO TO SEE IF YOU KNOW WHAT THE COST MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC SIGN, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN VISUALLY SEE ON REALLY ANY OF THESE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE AESTHETICS.
SO KIND OF THAT CURVATURE IS SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE OTHER AESTHETICS THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT TOWN MM-HMM
SO, UM, THE WELCOME SIGN IS, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR SIGN THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE, I THINK THERE'S THE QUESTION FOR, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S FABRICATING THAT MM-HMM
AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY INCLUDE AS A PART OF THE SPECIFICATION MM-HMM
UM, TO SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOCKUP THAT'S VERY COMMON TO DO IN CONSTRUCTION.
UM, IT WOULD REALLY, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT ONE OF EVERY KIND.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S ONE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY, HEY, WE WANNA SEE KIND OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND TOUCH IT AND FEEL IT AND YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE THING, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT IN AS A PART OF THE SPECIFICATION.
I'VE BEEN WALKING AROUND LOOKING AT THE SIGNS WE HAVE IN TOWN
YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UH, FOR ALL OF YOU, UH, UH, NON TEXANS OR FOR PEOPLE NORTH OF THE, UH, BASIN, DIXON LINE KID IN CABOODLE, THAT TRANSLATES INTO THE, UH, ENTIRE BABY BATH AND TUB COMBINED.
UH, I LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY.
THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON FOR THE 26 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE, AN OBSERVATION AREA AT THE AIRPORT.
AND I HAVE FOUND OUT TODAY WE HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST OBSERVATION AREA THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
CAN WE GET A SIGN THAT POINTS PEOPLE TO OUR OBSERVATION AREA? ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THAT'S, DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S AT? I HAVE NO IDEA.
I BET YOU DON'T BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T EITHER.
I MEAN, MY OFFICE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME SIT THERE
NO, IT IS AT THE, UH, AIRPORT OFFICES.
IT CONNECTED TO THE, TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM THAT YOU GO OUT ON A BALCONY AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WELCOMING TO THE PUBLIC AND WE JUST NEED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IT'S THERE TO BE USED.
TAKE YOUR PICNICS UP THERE ON THE
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NICE TABLES AND THINGS UP THERE.SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS.
COINCIDENTALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE ARTICLES IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ON THE TELECAST NEWS OVER THE LAST WEEK OR TWO ON ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING WITH THESE ELECTRONIC SIGNS.
HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THOSE, KNOW OF THOSE? THEY, THEY TALK ABOUT VANDALISM NUMBER ONE.
AND, UM, UH, THE ACTUAL INTERACTION WITH PEOPLE, UH, FREEZING UP, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY'RE HAVING WITH THEM.
AND IN THE ARTICLES THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CITIES THAT WERE ACTUALLY TAKING THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T, THEY WERE COSTING THEM MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS WORTH.
SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KIND OF DRILL DOWN ON THAT BEFORE WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THESE AND SEE IF, IF THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH, IT MAY BE A CERTAIN BRAND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT BRAND, BUT MAY BE A, A, AN ISSUE THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO KNOW ABOUT BEFORE WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO GET TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
NO, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT.
DALLAS MORNING NEWS HAD SEVERAL ARTICLES THIS LAST WEEK ON THAT THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAD TWO ACTUALLY.
SO, UM, SOUNDS LIKE I NEED TO READ THE PAPER.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT IT, I HAVE A QUESTION RIGHT HERE.
WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? AND YOU ANSWERED CHRIS.
IT IS, IT'S ALL 100% HOT FUND.
UH, UH, YOU MADE MY TEETH ITCH A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA COST US A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAINTAIN THESE.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO MAINTAIN A METAL SIGN THAT'S, THAT'S NOT LIT OR ANYTHING ALONG THE WAY.
IS IS THAT A, YOU THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE ESTIMATE OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENT WITH THIS? THE, THE MATERIALS OR SOMETHING TO MAKE 'EM MORE SO MY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S ON AVERAGE, UM, FIVE TO 10% OF THE OVERALL INITIAL INVESTMENT, WHICH WOULD EQUAL OUT TO ABOUT 65,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
AND IT'S REALLY DUE TO MAINTAINING IT ANNUALLY, WHICH IS WASHING IT, CLEANING IT, WAXING IT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE, UM, PERSONA THE WAY THAT WE WANT THEM TO, TO BE SHOWN AND TO, TO MAKE THEM LOOK NICE AND SHINY, UM, IT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AND I'M NOT SURPRISED.
SO WAX ON, WAX OFF? I GUESS SO.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT OUR BRAND AND WE TALK ABOUT SIGNAGE A LOT AS WE LEAVE OUTTA HERE TONIGHT.
AND I GO UP QUORUM DRIVE AND I GET TO ARAPAHOE AND WE HAVE ALL OF THESE NICE LITTLE GLASS BUBBLED LIGHTS AT THE INTERSECTION THAT ARE WHITE LIGHT.
CAN WE LOOK AT GETTING BLUE PUT IN THOSE FOR A, FOR AN ADDISON BLUE? UM, WE CAN, THOSE ARE GONNA BE REMOVED AS A PART OF THE QUORUM PROJECT, BUT WE CAN EVALUATE IT.
UM, I JUST, EVERY TIME WHEN I DRIVE HOME AFTER A COUNCIL MEETING, I SEE THESE WHITE LIGHTS THAT IF THEY WERE THERE BLUE IT WOULD, I KNOW THAT'S OFF THE SUBJECT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, CHANEL, OH, ONE MORE QUESTION BECKY.
SO ARE, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BID PROCESS, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVE, UH, MATERIALS? SO THE MATERIALS HAVE ALL BEEN VETTED AND WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE EVALUATED, UM, IS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS FROM THE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT.
MM-HMM
SO THE CURRENT SPECIFICATION PACKAGE THEY PUT BEEN PUT TOGETHER.
IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THESE SIGNS AND REALLY THAT AESTHETICS BACK PACKAGE.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE INTEND TO EVALUATE.
DARREN? SO DO WE CURRENTLY WAX OUR SIGNS NOW? NO SIR.
SO WHAT DO WE SPEND ON MAINTENANCE OF OUR SIGNS NOW? UM, THE SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUT THERE TODAY THAT ARE THE BLUE AND THE RED AND THE YELLOW, UM, THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY BEING MAINTAINED.
UM, THEY'RE FROM TIME TO TIME THEY'RE BEING SWAPPED OUT OR IF THEY GET DIRTY, OBVIOUSLY WE CLEAN THEM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A REGULAR MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WITH AN INVESTMENT LIKE THIS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT BEST PRACTICE.
SO THE COST QUESTION WAS MINE ALSO.
I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE GOOD, BETTER, BEST ON, UH, THE PROPOSALS AND YOU EXPLAINING TO US ABOUT THE
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MATERIALS, THE SPECIFICATIONS BEING VERY, UM, DETAILED ON THAT.UM, THESE AREN'T YOUR SIGNS THAT YOU GO DOWN TO HOME DEPOT AND BUY, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.
ON SLIDE FIVE, I THINK IT'S YOUR FIVE.
SO HOW HARD IS IT TO CHANGE THE, THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF ONE OF THOSE SIGNS OR IT SAYS DESTINATION NAME IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT? SURE.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT VERY DIFFICULT AT ALL.
UM, THAT'S JUST A PLATE THAT'S BOLTED ONTO A BRACKET AND SO AS THINGS CHANGE OR AS WE WANT TO UPDATE SOMETHING, YOU WOULD JUST ORDER AN INDIVIDUAL ONE OF THOSE PLATES UNBOLTED AND PUT A NEW PLATE ON.
SO WE, WE COULD NOT FABRICATE THAT IN INTERNALLY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY A NEW PLATE.
WE DO NOT HAVE A SAN SIGN MANUFACTURING.
UM, INSIDE OUR BUILDING WE ORDER EVERYTHING, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY PUT OUT AND ON THE TOUCH SCREEN, UH, PAGE.
JUST TO CLARIFY, WOULD THESE BE TOUCH SCREENS OR WOULD THEY BE JUST LEDS? UM, WE HAVE NOT SPECIFIED THE SPECIFICS OF THE MONITOR, SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS AS WE GO THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO SHOW ON HERE, IS IT GOING TO BE A MAP? DOES THAT NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE DETAILED OF A MONITOR TYPE VERSUS IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S ADVERTISEMENT? SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SPECIFICATION PROCESS.
THERE IS SOME INFORMATION IN THE PACKET, BUT THE BID PACKET WILL BE MUCH MORE DETAILED.
SO, UM, ON YOUR PRICING THERE, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE INSTALL INSTALLATION COST HIGHER FOR THE LED SIGN.
SO TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE ELECTRICAL, THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY PART OF THAT.
THERE WILL BE ELECTRICAL COMPONENT, SO THAT'LL ALSO DEPEND ON WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE INSTALLED, UM, DUE TO, THEY'RE PUTTING ON CURRENTLY ON MAPS IN PROXIMITY TO WHERE THEY CAN GET TO ELECTRICITY A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD ABOUT SOLAR LIGHTING VERSUS ELECTRICAL LIGHTING IS HOW MUCH, UH, IT WOULD COST DIFFERENCE.
AND THAT GIVES US JUST KIND OF A SWAG OF, OF WHAT IT WOULD, WOULD BE.
IT SURPRISES ME THAT THE, UH, LED SIGNS, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE, THE NON LED, THE STATIC SIGN.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE LED SIGNS BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE, UM, THE WHOLE MESSAGING AND THE TOWN BE IN COORDINATION.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF NAYSAYERS ABOUT THE BIG LED SIGN ON BELTLINE, BUT I THINK THOSE NAYSAYERS FORGOT, UH, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND HOW WE DID IT BEFORE PEOPLE FALLING IN THE STREET AND THE TRAFFIC WHEN THEY'RE CHANGING THOSE BANNERS THAT WERE UP THERE SHUTTING DOWN TRAFFIC AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THAT, I THINK THE LED SIGN, IT'S REALLY, UM, BENEFICIAL AND LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.
AND THESE COULD BE COORDINATED.
IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL TO HAVE THE SAME MESSAGING ACROSS THE BIG LED SIGN AND THEN THESE LED SIGNS AROUND TOWN.
YOU CAN REALLY GET MESSAGES OUT.
MAYBE WE HAVE LESS YARD SIGNS THAT WE PUT IN PLACES WHENEVER WE HAVE A SURVEY GO OUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, THINGS LIKE THAT OR SOME OF THE, THE BENEFITS THAT WE GET FROM THAT.
YEAH, JUST LAST QUICK ONE FOR YOU, BECKY.
SO, UM, BACK TO OTHER CITIES, MAYBE KIMLEY HORN CAN ANSWER THIS, AND I'M GONNA GO TO PLANO, BUT I, I'VE SEEN THIS NEW SIGNAGE IN MCKINNEY.
DO, HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO THEIR COUNTERPARTS TO YOUR POSITION TO SEE IF THEY COULD DO IT AGAIN? WOULD THEY DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT? HAVE WE LEARNED ANYTHING FROM OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THEIR WAYFINDING SIGNAGE? SO, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THE SAME CONSULTANT AS THEY GET TO HAVE THE GOOD, BAD AND THE UGLY THAT GOES THROUGH ALL THE BIDDING PROCESSES.
UM, BUT AS WE WORK THROUGH IMPLEMENTING THIS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL DO.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE COUNTERPARTS IN MCKINNEY AND IN PLANO AND OTHER CITIES AND HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, ESPECIALLY AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE BIDDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS COME UP THAT MAYBE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE RECOGNIZE, BUT KIMBERLY HORN WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THOSE WITH US TOO.
UH, WHEN CHU IS IN TOWN DOING VOLUNTEER WORK, WE WOULD, AND MARLON DRAGGED ME INTO THIS, WE WOULD GO DO PARK CLEANUPS IN THE SPRING.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF, BASED ON OUR VOLUNTEERS AND OUR, OUR TOWN IS SO SMALL AND WE HAVE SO MANY LOVING VOLUNTEERS, POTENTIALLY AS PART OF THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM OR THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THESE DISTRICTS, MAYBE THEY WOULD VOLUNTEER TO HELP KEEP THE UPKEEP ON THESE TO KIND OF CUT THAT BUDGET OF THAT 5% DOWN ON MAINTENANCE COSTS.
UH, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, BECKY, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNAGE.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION AROUND ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT WITH, UH, INCREASING THE AWARENESS OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY? 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH PEDESTRIAN CROSSING GOING AROUND THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AND GOING DOWN ADDISON CIRCLE GOING, PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FROM THE PARK.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST, PEOPLE DO WALK ACROSS THOSE CROSSWALKS AND DON'T REALLY ALWAYS PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION.
AND, AND WHEN I'M GOING ROUND AND ROUNDABOUT, I ALWAYS STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE OTHER PERSON'S GOING TO.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO WITH THAT? SO THE PLAN ACTUALLY HAS SOME SIGNS THAT ARE GONNA BE PUT IN AS A PART OF AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT.
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HAPPY TO KNOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE A HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE COMING THROUGH.THAT'S A INCREASING THE VISIBILITY OF ALL THE CROSSWALKS AROUND THE ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING WITH T DOT ON.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE BUZZWORDS, THE RF BS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UM, IN THAT AREA, WHICH WILL HELP WITH A LOT OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THERE.
AND SO I WOULD, UH, LOOK FOR A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM IF I'M GETTING THIS CORRECT.
SIX A, SIX A WILL SECOND AND SECOND FROM CHRIS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[Items of Community Interest]
ALRIGHT, GOING TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.IT'S THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO EXPRESS SOME THANKS.
CONGRATULATIONS, CONDOLENCE, ET CETERA.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? I SEE CHRIS, OH, EXCUSE ME.
I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THE STAFF AND, UH, MARKETING FOR PUTTING ON TONIGHT'S VETERANS, UM, EVENT TONIGHT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS WONDERFUL.
I HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATION WITH SOME VETERANS, SO THANK YOU TO STAFF.
I ECHO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE VETERANS FOR ACTUALLY SHOWING UP.
THAT WAS THE HARDEST PART TO GET THEM TO GET A PAT ON THE BACK.
THOSE GUYS AND GIRLS TYPICALLY DON'T LIKE RECOGNITION.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, RANDY.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THE SPOTLIGHT ON 'EM.
UM, I, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE WE HAD ALL THE, UH, PARKS AND, AND REC GUY RECS GUYS AND THE PARKS GUYS HERE AND ALL THAT CREW AND THE PARKS AND RECS.
UM, AND I THINK ABOUT THEM WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO BACK TO KABOOM TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL SHOWED UP WHENEVER WE SHOWED UP.
I GOT HERE AT FIVE AND, BUT THOSE GUYS HAD BEEN THERE OUT THERE SINCE SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THEY WERE GONNA BE THE TILL MIDNIGHT.
THOSE GUYS WORKED THEIR TAIL OFF AND, AND JUST, WE DID AN AMAZING JOB.
AND THEY ALL HAD, THEY WERE ALL IN GOOD SPIRITS AND THEY WERE THERE DOING THEIR PART FOR, FOR THE TOWN.
SO I APPRECIATE THEM AND, UH, AND APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THEY DO FOR US EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO, AS MUCH AS THE NEXT ITEM SAYS WE ADJOURN THE MEETING, WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE NEED TO GO BACK TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEM.
SO WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND FINISH UP OUR WORK SESSION.
AND REGARDING THE WORK SESSION ITEM, UH, COUNSEL, WE WILL BE, UH, RESCHEDULING ITEM FOUR B ON THE WORK SESSION ON THE, UH, BUDGET ITEM.
AND WE'LL JUST DO THAT AT OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP.
SO WE'LL COME UP AND FINISH UP FOUR A AND JUST LIKE FIVE MINUTES AT 8 58 RIGHT NOW.
IT IS 9 0 7 AND WE ARE COMING BACK FROM OUR BRIEF BREAK.
GOING BACK TO OUR, OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. UH, ITEM FOUR A WAS PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, UH, AND THE UPDATE ON THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
WE'VE HAD THE PRESENTATION, WE STARTED WITH QUESTIONS EARLIER, AND THEN THE NEXT UP WITH THE NEXT QUESTION WAS CHANELL.
UM, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION WE HAD 103 NOISE CONCERNS.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NOISE CONCERNS? WERE THERE, WAS IT FROM THE PLAINS FROM ADDISON AIRPORT, OR WAS IT FROM OTHER AIRPLANES? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
JAMIE AEROSA, AIRPORT DIRECTOR.
UM, THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHERE THERE WE, WE DO RECEIVE NOISE CONCERNS THAT FOR AIRCRAFT THAT ARE FROM OTHER AIRPORTS, THE MAJORITY, HOWEVER, ARE PERTAINING TO ADDISON OPERATIONS.
SO AS AN EXAMPLE, ON SUNDAY, I RECEIVED A, UH, NOISE CONCERN THAT ACTUALLY ENDED UP BEING TWO SOUTHWEST AIRCRAFT THAT WERE BOUND TO LAND AT DALLAS.
LOVE FROM ADDISON RESIDENTS ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.
THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, PEOPLE SWEAR THEY COULD SEE THE PEOPLE IN SOUTHWEST
I'M JUST TELLING WHAT THEY SAID, THAT THEY CAN SEE PEOPLE IN SOUTHWEST AIRLINES PLANES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, UM, HOW MANY OF THOSE, UM, NOISE COMPLAINTS WAS FROM OUR AIRPORT, OUR AIRCRAFT HERE LANDING OR TAKEN OFF IN ADDISON? I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THOSE 103 ARE RELATED TO ADDISON AIRPORT RELATED TRAFFIC.
BUT IT DOES HAPPEN AS AN EXAMPLE THIS PAST SUNDAY.
AND THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD, UH, GOING BACK TO YOUR ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS, FULL DISCLOSURE, I WAS ON THE AIRPORTS, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE, BUT HOW MANY, UM, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS DID YOU HAVE? COMMUNITY ONES? MM-HMM
UM, WE HAVE HAD NOW, UH, COUNTING LAST NIGHT WE'VE HAD FOUR.
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FOUR.AND HOW WERE THEY ADVERTISED? HOW WERE THEY COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC? SO, IN, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE, UH, PROVIDED THAT EITHER THROUGH THE FRIDAY, UH, NEWSLETTERS MM-HMM
THROUGH, UH, POSTING IT ON THE, UM, MEETING AGENDAS ONLINE, ON THE ADDISON'S WEBSITE.
UM, WE'VE ALSO, AS WE'VE HAD, UH, MEETINGS LIKE THIS ONE, LIKE COUNCIL, WE ADVISE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE UPCOMING MEETINGS.
UH, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, NOTICES THROUGH THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, THROUGH THROUGH THE COMMITTEES, THE STEERING COMMITTEE MM-HMM
AND THE, UM, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE SO THAT THEY ALSO CAN PROVIDE OUTREACH, UH, TO RESIDENTS OR OTHER COLLEAGUES.
OH, I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE MORE TIME, UM, OR EITHER MORE FREQUENT, UM, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE SESSIONS, AND I KNOW WE'RE AT THE END, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN STAGE, WHAT, FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE AND WHATNOT.
SO IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL ONES, IF WE CAN DO MORE OUTREACH, UM, 'CAUSE THEY SAID LAST NIGHT WAS PRETTY CROWDED.
WHAT IS YOUR AVERAGE ATTENDANCE, ATTENDANCE ON THESE FOR THE COMMUNITY? MY, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE INITIAL FIRST, IF NOT SECOND, WERE, UM, LIGHTER, I WOULD SAY MM-HMM
I KNOW CERTAINLY THE FIRST ONE THAT I ATTENDED WAS AT THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB.
AND THAT WAS WELL ATTENDED MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING HERE IN THIS ROOM.
UM, LAST MONTH OR YEAH, IN JUNE MM-HMM
AND THAT WAS PRETTY WELL ATTENDED AS WELL.
YESTERDAY AT THE FINANCE BUILDING, WE HAD TO ADD MORE CHAIRS AS A MATTER OF FACT.
AND I'D LIKE YOU TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE OUR PLANES IN ADDISON AIRPORT FLY IN THE OTHER AIRPLANES LIKE SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? YES.
SO OUR AIRSPACE HERE AT ADDISON AIRPORT, THE AIRSPACE REALLY, THE RADIUS IS ABOUT FIVE NAUTICAL MILES.
SO FROM THE CENTER OF THE AIRPORT, IN THEORY IT SHOULD BE FIVE NAUTICAL MILES, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DO FIT, UH, WITHIN THE PUZZLE OF THE DALLAS FORT WORTH METROPLEX AIRSPACE.
SO VERTICALLY THAT GOES UP TO 2,500 FEET MAXIMUM MM-HMM
AND THAT FIVE NAUTICAL MILES ISN'T REALLY A PERFECT CIRCLE BECAUSE THE, THE LIMIT TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST IS IMPACTED BY BOTH DFW AND DALLAS LOVE.
BUT, UH, ELEVATION OR ALTITUDE WISE, 2,500, THAT MEANS THAT THE AIRCRAFT OR THE OTHER AIRPORTS IS ABOVE 2,500 FEET AND WE CAN STILL HEAR THOSE AIRPLANES.
UM, AND JUST TO CONFIRM, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL AIRPORT.
AND, AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS NO.
YOU, YOU AS COUNSEL, HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY KIND OF INDICATION OR DIRECTION FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION AGAIN, SO ALL MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE FRESH AND THAT GOT VETOED BY THE MAYOR AND SIX OTHER COUNCIL PEOPLE.
WHY NOT? SO, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
THIS WAS NOT MY FIRST QUESTION, BUT JUST WHILE IT'S FRESH ON YOUR MIND TO, TO TAG ON, YOU'RE SAYING COMMERCIAL, WHAT CATEGORY DOES THE SCHEDULED CHARTER SERVICES FIT IN THAT ARE WANTING TO COME INTO ADDISON AND THAT ARE HERE NOW, THE, I I COULD CALL A COUPLE OF NAMES, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE UNFAIR TO THEM.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH SOME SCHEDULED SERVICE THAT IS WANTING TO FLY HERE.
WHAT CATEGORY DOES THAT FIT INTO? PART 3 8 0.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S SCHEDULED AND IT'S A FAIR, YOU PAY A FAIR TO GET ON IT IS NOT CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL.
SO IT DOES NOT FLY UNDER PART 1 3 9, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WHICH IS THE SOUTHWEST, THE AMERICANS, THE EVEN J WHAT DOES JSX FLY UNDER 3 8 0? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
THEY, THEY, THEY ALSO ARE UNDER A DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF THAT.
UM, SO THEY, THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO COME IN.
TYPICALLY, THOSE ARE MUCH SMALLER PLANES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
UM, UH, MANY, MANY OF ON THIS AIRPORT OPERATING THE PILATES AND THE KING AIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS, YOU WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE IT.
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UM, I, I WILL START MY COMMENTS WITH THIS.UM, I THINK IT WAS YOUR VERY FIRST SLIDE, AND YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THERE.
IT SAYS, THE SECOND GOAL FOR SAFETY WAS FIRST, AND THE VERY SECOND GOAL OF A MASTER PLAN WAS THE COMMUNITY VALUES AND GOALS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND YOU'RE HAVING THESE MEETINGS, BUT WHAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE HAPPENING IS ANYTHING CHANGING DUE TO THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, IT SEEMS LIKE, TO USE AN ADAGE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE ARREST AT 8:00 AM WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE TRIAL AT NOON AND THE EXECUTION AT, AT SUNDOWN.
NO MATTER WHAT THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ARE AND I, THERE, IT'S NOT A GREAT SIN TO TAP THE BRAKES ON THESE STUDIES IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND, AND GET THE PUBLIC BEHIND US.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I GOTTA TELL YOU, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE IN THE, WE'RE AT THE CASTLE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL AND, AND THE TOWNSPEOPLE ARE COMING UP WITH PITCHFORKS AND, AND, AND TORCHES COMING UP THE HILL AT THE DEAL.
NO ONE SEEMS TO BE HAPPY IN THE PUBLIC WITH THIS.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT A COMFORTABLE SITUATION BECAUSE YOU'RE, THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS BECAUSE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN THE MASTER PLAN ONCE THE AIRPLANE TAKES OFF, IT'S FEDERAL.
ONCE IT'S ON THE GROUND, IT'S US.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN IS DOING TO TRY TO LOOK FORWARD LIKE THESE WIDENINGS AND THESE EXTENSIONS.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, HERE'S A QUESTION I'D RATHER THAN A COMMENT.
WHAT YOU'RE REALLY REFERRING TO IS A, IS A THRESHOLD ON THIS RUNWAY, AN EXTENDED THRESHOLD RATHER THAN EXTENSION OF A RUNWAY.
IF A RUNWAY, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LAND ON A RUNWAY.
AND A A THRESHOLD DISPLACED THRESHOLD WOULD BE THAT EXTRA THOUSAND FEET YOU CAN TAKE OFF ON IT, BUT YOU CAN'T LAND ON IT.
IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE THRESHOLD, THE THRESHOLD IS PART OF THE RUNWAY.
ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.
AND THE PART OF THE, PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH EXTENDING THIS A THOUSAND FEET, THE NOISE COMES FROM THE ENGINES, AND YOU ARE A THOUSAND FEET CLOSER TO THAT NORTH END OF ALL THE BUSINESSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE.
AND WHEN THEY ARE HEAVIER AND THEY FIREBALL THESE ENGINES THAT IS NOISY DOWN THERE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS EXTENSION UNTIL, UNTIL WE LOOK AT THINGS OR, OR, OR THE WIDENING, UM, THINGS HAVING TO DO ON THE GROUND.
AND ON THE GROUND, IS THERE ANY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, I'VE GOT A LITTLE SOMETHING IN MY CRAW ABOUT ASPHALT ON THE TARMAC IN A CERTAIN PLACE ON THE AIRPORT.
IS THERE ANY PLANS, WOULD THERE BE ANY PLANS IN ANY OF THIS EXPANSION TO APPROVE ASPHALT ANY LONGER? I COULDN'T SAY THAT.
UM, WE WOULD ARBITRARILY NOT APPROVED A PROPOSAL IF IT HAD ASPHALT.
UM, AT THIS AIRPORT, THE MAJORITY OF THE RAMPS AND, UH, A LOT OF THE TAXIWAYS TAXI LANES, UH, WE'VE BEEN WITH TIME CHANGING OVER TO CONCRETE MM-HMM
IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO IN TERMS OF DURABILITY, MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA, AUGUST AND TEXAS.
AND SO YES, UH, THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR CONCRETE.
UH, ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT TARMAX THAT ARE ASPHALT NOW, AND WE, WE GO OUT AND WE SEE JETS SINKING INTO THE ASPHALT IN THE SUMMERTIME.
THAT WOULD NOT BE AN IDEAL SITUATION.
THAT'S WHY IN PART, CONCRETE IS PREFERRED.
UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IN YOUR PROPOSAL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE LAND, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE LAND THAT'S INSIDE THE FENCE, THAT YOU, WE WOULD HAVE IN THE PROPOSAL THAT THE TOWN SHOULD LOOK AT PURCHASING IN THE FUTURE IF IT COMES FOR SALE.
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IS THAT INSIDE THE FENCE OR OUTSIDE THE FENCE? ALSO, THE PRIVATE LAND IS TECHNICALLY OUTSIDE THE FENCE, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU DO HAVE SOME INSIDE THE FENCE THOUGH, DO WE? NOT IF BY INSIDE THE FENCE, YOU MEAN THAT IT IS CONT IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE AIRPORT.IT IS SURROUNDED BY THE AIRPORT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THE FENCE OF WHAT THE TOWN OWNS.
IT JUST HAS ACCESS TO THE AIRPORT FACILITY.
BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SPOTS ON THERE.
IF YOU TAXI AN AIRPLANE THROUGH, THERE'S ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT HE'S PUT ORANGE CONES OUT THERE TO KEEP AIRPLANES FROM MOVING INTO HI ONTO HIS TARMAC.
YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH THAT FROM ANYTHING OTHER THAN AIRPORT PROPERTY.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THE CONCERN IS THE CITY SHOULD LOOK AT BUYING THAT BECAUSE THEY COULD DO ANYTHING, THEY COULD BUILD A HIGH RISE, THEY COULD DO THIS, THEY COULD DO THAT.
THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE, IS IT? IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A ZONING APPROVAL.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD, ANY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING HIGHER THAN WHAT ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD.
SO IT, IT'S, THERE'S ANOTHER PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
I'LL SHUT UP AND LET YOU ANSWER.
IT WOULD, IT, ALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCEDURES FOR PERMITTING THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE POTENTIAL BUILDING OF THAT.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, HOWEVER, WELL ZONING IS DIFFERENT THAN PERMITTING.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE PROCESS IN ORDER TO LEAD TO THAT DEVELOPMENT.
IF THEY WERE TO SELL THE LAND AND SOMETHING ELSE WERE TO BE BUILT THERE.
NOW, WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS THAT IN SOME INSTANCES, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PROTECTION FOR VERTICAL STRUCTURES, SO THAT IF SOMETHING IS BUILT TALL, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO CHALLENGE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE OBSTRUCTIONS CONVERSATION COMES IN.
SO, UM, FOR THAT REASON, THAT'S EXACTLY THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY FA ENCOURAGES THAT WE DO BUY THE LAND THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE AIRPORT IF IT EVER BECOMES AVAILABLE.
I'M NOT ARGUING AT THAT POINT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO BE HAD.
BUT IT, IT, IT IS ALSO THE POINT THAT IT, THEY DON'T WANT TO SELL TO THE TOWN.
THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SELL TO A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO SOMEWHAT CONTROL WHAT GOES THERE.
UM, THE VIEWING AREA TODAY THAT YOU SHOWED ME, THANK YOU FOR THAT HAD NO IDEA.
I, I TRULY HOPE WE CAN OPEN THAT UP.
THAT, THAT IT'S A FABULOUS PLACE.
EVERYBODY OUGHT TO GO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, YOU SAID SOMETHING, UM, ALL OF THIS WAS FRESH ON MY MIND WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
UM, 65%, 38% WHAT, UM, HOMES IN THE FOOTPRINT.
OH, FOR THE NOISE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S NO HOMES IN OUR NOWHERE FOOTPRINT NOW, BUT GOING FORWARD IT COULD INCREASE BY 38%.
WHAT'S IN THAT FOOTPRINT? IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THAT, IF AS WE PROJECT THROUGH THOSE FORECASTS, UH, THE OPERATIONS GROW BY 50% AND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE 65 DNL WERE TO GROW BY 38% THAT WE FORECAST, WHAT WOULD BE AFFECTED ARE SOME RESIDENCES THAT ARE SOUTH OF HERE OFF OF ADDISON ROAD, UH, OFF OF ADDISON ROAD, OFF OF ADDISON ROAD.
AND THEN ALSO THERE WOULD BE A HOTEL POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD ALSO BE WITHIN THE 65 DNL, THE NEW HOTEL TO THE SOUTH.
OR AN EXISTING OH, TO AN EXISTING.
UM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING YEARS AGO, WHEN WE PUT THE E MATS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE RUNWAY, THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH RUNOFF AREA BEFORE YOU GET TO A ROAD.
THE REASON IT WASN'T DONE ON THE NORTH IS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF LAND AT THE END OF THAT RUNWAY.
AND THE CONSENSUS WAS THERE WAS ENOUGH LAND THERE TO STOP SOMETHING BEFORE IT HIT THAT GAS STATION.
IF WE EXTEND THIS RUNWAY IN YOUR PLAN, ARE WE GONNA PUT EMA S AT THE END OF THAT THEN AT THAT POINT? NO.
WE HAVE ENOUGH LAND FOR THE EXTENSION AND TO MAINTAIN A RUNWAY SAFETY AREA, WHICH IS A THOUSAND FEET FROM THE END OF THE RUNWAY.
AND I ASKED YOU EARLIER TONIGHT, AND, AND I, I STAND BY IT.
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OUT THERE TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT THOUSAND FEET IS, SO I CAN PUT AN EYE ON THAT.I, I WOULD REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, JAMIE, ANY TIME FOR YOU AND ANY, ANYONE ELSE? PERFECT.
ANY COUNSEL? UH, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO, IF ANYONE ELSE HERE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FIELD TRIP WITH ME TO SEE THAT, I'D, I'D, I WOULD BE, I'D LOVE TO DO THAT.
UM, ON THE GROUND, I NEVER REALIZED THAT WE HAD SUCH A PROBLEM AT THE AIRPORT UNTIL WHEN THE POLLS OPENED THIS YEAR, AND WE WERE ALL STANDING OUT THERE ON THE, THE LAWN NEXT TO CENTRAL PARK OR, UH, ADDISON PARK.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CANNOT TALK AT, AT THIS BUILDING.
THEY WERE RUNNING AIRPLANES UP SO MUCH ON THAT END.
AND IT DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE DOWN IN A RUNUP AREA.
THEY SEEMED TO BE AT THEIR FACILITY DOING IT.
AND THAT IS, THERE'RE NOT SOME KIND OF, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY WAS OVER THERE WITH A BOOMBOX OR HAVING A HUGE MUSIC THING, WE WOULD STOP THEM BECAUSE OF THAT NOISE.
IS THERE NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THESE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA WITH THAT? BECAUSE, I MEAN, I WAS, I WAS SHOCKED ABOUT HOW, HOW LOUD THAT WAS AND APPARENTLY HOW OFTEN IT OCCURS.
ENGINE RUN-UPS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN TENANT SPACES.
THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED PER THE REGULATIONS, AIRPORT RULES AND REGULATIONS TO TAKE PLACE AT EITHER THE RUN-UP AREA AT THE NORTH OR THE AREA RUNUP AT THE SOUTH.
AND THE WHICH ONE IS USED DEPENDS ON THE WIND DIRECTION AND WHICH END OF THE RUNWAY IS BEING USED.
COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, I KNOW, AND I KNOW WHERE THAT RUNUP AREA IS ON THE SOUTH AND THAT'S NOT WHERE THEY WERE.
SO YES, IN, IN THOSE CASES, IF WE, IF WE ARE NOTIFIED, WE WOULD RESPOND RIGHT AWAY TO STOP THAT FROM HELPING.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF SOUND BARRIER THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, PUT ALONG THAT FENCE THAT WOULD HELP THAT, BUT THAT WAS AMAZING HOW LOUD THAT WAS.
UH, AND I LOVE THOSE, THAT SOUNDS, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS UNCALLED FOR.
UM, WE'RE NOT APPROVING OR VOTING ON ANYTHING TONIGHT, BUT WHAT I WOULD WANT US TO DO IS LISTEN TO OUR RESIDENTS A LITTLE CLOSER THAN WE APPEAR TO BE.
I KNOW THIS PROCESS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING FORWARD, NO MATTER WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE SAYING, WE GOT AN EX, WE GOT A MEETING, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA APPROVE IT IN SEPTEMBER.
WE'RE GONNA BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
PLEASE SLOW DOWN AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, EVEN IF THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.
IT DOESN'T HURT TO SLOW DOWN AND DO THIS THERE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO PLEASE JUST, UH, DON'T GET US JABBED WITH A PITCH FOR IT.
CHRIS, THANK YOU, JAMIE, FOR THE, UM, DETAILED REPORT.
UM, I'LL START BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS AND ALL I REALLY WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S FACTS OUT THERE BECAUSE I'M ALREADY SEEING THAT SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS REALLY AREN'T BASED ON FACTS.
SO I THINK WE HAD SOMEONE, A SPEAKER TONIGHT SAY, MAYBE THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE CITY TO GET THE FACTS OUT.
JUST LIKE WE SAW WITH DART, THERE WAS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION, PEOPLE FORMED OPINIONS AND THEY WEREN'T RIGHT.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE FACTS OUT.
SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, AND I KNOW YOU MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED THESE BEFORE TONIGHT, BUT JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WERE THE STUDY IS PROPOSING THAT WE WIDEN THE, THE RUNWAY AND WE ALSO LENGTHEN THE AIRWAY.
RIGHT? 150 FEET MORE, UM, MAKE IT WIDER BY 150 FEET AND THEN LENGTHEN IT BY A THOUSAND FEET.
WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE WIDENING IT BY 50 FEET.
IT IS CURRENTLY A HUNDRED FEET.
OH, IT'S CURRENTLY ONE 50 AND WE'RE TAKING IT 50 FEET.
YEAH, IT'S CURRENTLY A HUNDRED.
AND WE WOULD WIDEN IT TO THE STANDARD FOR AIRCRAFT DESIGN GROUP THREE TO 150.
SO WE WOULD BE ADDING 25 AND 25.
LIKE, SO WHY, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT JUST BECAUSE AS FOR AIRCRAFT DESIGN GROUP THREE, THE STANDARD WIDTH IS 150 FEET.
HOWEVER, SOMEONE ALSO ASKED EARLIER, UM, IF WE ARE GRANDFATHERED IN TO BEING ABLE TO USE 100 FEET, THE ANSWER IS YES.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE RUNWAY BY 50 FEET TO MEET THE STANDARD.
WE ARE PERFECTLY FINE LEAVING IT AT A HUNDRED FEET.
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ALREADY OUT THERE
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WHO THINK THAT YOU'RE WIDENING IT AND LENGTHENING IT.SO WE NOW CAN BRING IN LARGER JETS.
AND THAT'S NOT TRUE, IS IT? NOT AT ALL.
I HAVEN'T RECEIVED, UH, THAT TYPE OF DIRECTION FROM THIS BODY.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY.
AND THEN HELP ME, RIGHT? I'M A, I'M A NOVICE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THE NOISE COMPLAINTS, RIGHT? NOISE, AND I GUESS, AND YOU TELL ME IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING, IT COMES FROM TAKEOFFS, LANDINGS OR WHAT YOU'RE CALLING ENGINE RUNS, RIGHT? UM, THE, WHAT YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, AND AGAIN, THERE'S A QUESTION HERE.
IF A PLANE TAKES OFF, RIGHT? LONGER RUNWAY, NOW YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN MAKE A, UM, A TURN QUICKER.
UM, IS HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? BECAUSE I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER THAT IT'S REALLY THE FAA THAT DETERMINES THAT FLIGHT PLAN.
SO IF WE LENGTHEN IT BY A THOUSAND FEET, ARE WE REALLY ENSURING THAT THEY WON'T FLY OVER ONE OF OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS? NO, WE WOULD NOT BE ENSURING THAT.
'CAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO GUARANTEE THAT THOSE AIRCRAFT WOULD STILL MAKE THE LEFT TURN SOONER TO AVOID, FOR EXAMPLE, FLYING OVER THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
SO THERE'S REALLY, AND YOU HAD MENTIONED THIS, THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY ENSURE THAT IS TO DO A, I THINK YOU CALLED IT A PART 1 61 STUDY.
WHAT, WHAT GOES INTO THAT? WHAT'S THE COST? IS IT WORTHWHILE DOING THAT? SO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO, AND I'LL GIVE YOU A COMPARATIVE A, UM, BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WE HAD EARLIER TODAY, UM, INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS WITH WILPERT, UM, A PART 1 5 0 STUDY, UH, WE BELIEVE WOULD TAKE ONE TO TWO YEARS TO COMPLETE.
UH, AND THE COST THAT WAS ESTIMATED BACK IN 2021 WAS $600,000 A PART.
1 61 STUDY IS A MUCH MORE INTRICATE DETAILED STUDY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE BETWEEN TWO TO FOUR YEARS TO COMPLETE.
THE COST ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAD RECEIVED IS $1.5 MILLION.
I COULD, I, I DON'T WANNA SELL OUR EFFORTS SHORT, YOU KNOW, HEY, I THINK JAMIE ANSWERED CORRECTLY.
IF WE EXTEND THE RUNWAY, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE IT.
BUT WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS PROGRAM FOR SINCE 2024, FOR TWO YEARS, AND WE'VE HAD MARKET IMPROVEMENTS.
OKAY? THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS ARE NOT FLYING OVER THE NORTH IN AREA ANYMORE.
THEY'RE, WE'RE GOING OUT THERE.
THE AIRPORT STAFF TO THEIR CREDIT, IS GOING DOWN THERE MONTHLY, QUARTERLY, GOING THROUGH THEIR REPORTS AND SAYING, PATTING 'EM ON THE BACK WHEN THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
IF THEY DO GO OVER THE AREA, THEY'RE POINTING OUT AND THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS, WHY DID YOU, SO IT'S WORKING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS AT THE AIRPORT WHO DO CARE AND ARE TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB.
SO BY GOING BACK, IT GIVES THEM A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT.
SO WHILE IT'S NOT MANDATORY, THE EFFORTS WE'RE MAKING ARE HAVING IMPROVEMENTS.
ARE WE SEEING LESS NOISE COMPLAINTS? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
YES, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY EXPAND THAT FURTHER BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD YESTERDAY WITH THE OPERATOR OF THE AIRCRAFT.
THAT HAS GET BEEN GETTING THE MOST ATTENTION.
THAT OPERATOR ALSO SAID, I AM PART OF THE ADDISON COMMUNITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH A COMMUNITY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
WHAT CAN THAT SOLUTION LOOK LIKE? AND AT THAT POINT, WE SHARED, UM, IN PART OF MY PRESENTATION, I SHOWED YOU A ROUTE THAT HAD A LONGER UPWIND WITH A DELAYED LEFT TURN.
THAT'S PART OF ONE OF THE, UH, POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS THAT THAT OPERATOR WAS LOOKING TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE TOWER, ADDISON TOWER TODAY TO SEE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO USE.
SO, UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, 50% INCREASE IN OPERATIONS, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU DEFINE OPERATIONS? IS IT TAKE OFF AND LANDINGS OR COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE BRINGING, BRINGING SOMEONE IN THAT MIGHT DO MAINTENANCE? UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY OPERATIONS? OPERATIONS ARE STRICTLY EITHER A LANDING OR A TAKEOFF.
SO THEN IF, IF WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE PLANES, HOW DOES A 50% INCREASE IN OPERATIONS EQUATE TO A 38% INCREASE IN THE NOISE LEVEL? BECAUSE IN, IN, IN MY MIND, IF WE'RE FLYING THE SAME PLANES, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY TAKE OFF AND LANDINGS, THOSE PLANES ARE STILL GOING TO MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF NOISE.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER THE METHODOLOGY RELATED TO THE DAY, NIGHT, AVERAGE LEVEL, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE MORE FLIGHTS, THEN THE AVERAGE IS HIGHER.
SO THE BUT THE PLANES AREN'T GETTING LOUDER.
IN FACT, THEY'RE GETTING QUIETER STAGE AIRCRAFT OR THROUGH TECHNOLOGY GETTING QUIETER.
AND MY, MY LAST IS REALLY JUST A COMMENT.
I, I DO LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THIS
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STUDY.UM, AND I THINK IF YOU SORT OF READ BETWEEN LINES, THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENING IS WE'RE SEEING INCREASED DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE SEEING MORE HANGAR SPACE.
WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, MORE BUSINESSES COME INTO THE AIRPORT.
AND TO ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT GROWS OUT OF ALARM AND SALES TAX.
AND THAT DOES GEN, UM, BENEFIT THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
DARREN, UM, ON SLIDE FIVE OR SIX, UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THERE YOUR NEXT ONE? YEP.
SO A-A-D-S-P-S-C FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, FAQS, WHERE ARE THOSE? WHERE ARE THEY? IS THE QUESTION RIGHT? CAN WE, CAN WE LOOK AT THOSE? AND, AND SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS DOES THAT, IS THAT SOME OF THE FAQS THAT, UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS BROUGHT UP TONIGHT IN THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T THINK IT IS.
UM, I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, DOCUMENT.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN FAQ COME UP.
AND WE'VE MENTIONED THAT IN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AIRLINE TRAFFIC'S NOT COMING IN HERE.
AND, UH, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING, UH, TWISTED AND, AND BAD INFORMATION OUT THERE.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT FAQ IS, IS THIS A Q THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? CORRECT.
THE FAQ THAT'S CURRENTLY POSTED ON THE ADDISON AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.COM WEBSITE IS AN FAQ THAT WAS DEVELOPED BASED ON QUESTIONS THAT THE PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE, THAT PROJECT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ASKED DURING THE PROCESS.
SOME OF THEM WERE RELATED TO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, SOME WERE NOT.
SOME WERE MORE FINANCIAL IN, IN NATURE.
UH, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO DOCUMENT, PUT IN THE DOCUMENT.
BUT YES, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO CREATE AN F FA A SEPARATE FAQ MM-HMM
UH, THAT IS, UH, PERTAINS TO QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED, LIKE THE COMMERCIAL AIRLINE ON, UM, SO NEXT QUESTION.
THE, THE SLIDES THAT SHOW THEIR GRAPHICS THAT SHOW, UH, THE, THE GROUND CHANGES, UH, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE RUNUP PERIODS, I SEE THAT YOU'RE CHANGING THE, UH, THE NORTH RUNUP AREA FOR THE SOUTH DEPARTURE, UH, TO THE, THE FAR SIDE.
THE THE ONE, UH, ON THE NORTH DEPARTURE, UH, ON THE SOUTH END.
THAT'S, THAT'S IN A TERRIBLE LOCATION FOR NOISE.
IS IS THERE CONSIDERATION TO, TO MOVE THAT? I, I THOUGHT THERE WAS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT ANYWHERE IN HERE.
AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WOULD NO LONGER USE THE SOUTH RUNUP OR THE NORTH RUNUP.
ONCE THE WEST RUNUP IS BUILT, ALL RUN-UPS WOULD BE NOW MOVED TO THE WEST SIDE.
SO IT WOULD BE OVER ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO WHERE'S THE RUNUP ON THE, THE SOUTH END, WEST SIDE IN THE FUTURE? IS IT ANYWHERE ON THIS PRESENTATION HERE? NO, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ONE ON THE SOUTH END OF THE AIRFIELD ANY LONGER.
WE WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE RUNUP, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES.
BUT IF YOU'RE ABOUT TO TAKE OFF, YOU'VE GOT A RUNUP AREA FOR THE AIRPLANES TO DO THEIR RUNUP.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WOULD YOU BE, UH, WOULD THAT BE FOR THE EAST SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE? SO I, I WOULD, UH, I I I THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE.
WE JUST CURIOUS, I MEAN THAT'S, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ONE RECOMMENDED.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD SOLVE SOME PROBLEMS OF, OF THAT NOISE THAT, THAT, UM, IS, IS ALL OVER ADDISON PARK, ADDISON CIRCLE, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO, AND I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, YOU CAN'T, ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO PRE-FLIGHT RUN-UPS? YES.
WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND A PRE-FLIGHT RUNUP ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD ENTAIL CROSSING THE RUNWAY.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL STRICTLY DOES NOT WANT TO DO FOR SAFETY REASONS.
BUT IT MAY BE THAT, UM, A DESIGN CHANGE OR SOMETHING WOULD BE SOMETHING BE CONSIDERED.
I JUST, UH, AND I SUPPOSE IN IN THAT VEIN ALSO THAT THE RUNUP, UH, OF THE NORTH END WOULD BE NOT LOCATED, WOULD NOT BE CHANGING EITHER.
THAT'S JUST THE MAINTENANCE RUNUP THAT'S GONNA BE CREATED OVER THERE.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RUNUP PAD, UH, IT, THAT, IT'S, IT'S LABELED RUNWAY RUNUP PAD FOR AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE NOISE DISPERSAL.
THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THE MAINTENANCE RUN-UPS, THE, THE NOISE THAT REALLY IS THE ONE THAT'S CAUSING THE IMPACT, BOTH AT
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THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ENDS OF ALPHA TODAY.I WAS JUST MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE REGULAR PRE-FLIGHT RUN-UPS ARE NOISE POLLUTION.
ALSO, THE, THEY DEFINITELY, UH, PRODUCE MORE NOISE.
THE LENGTH OF TIME IS DEFINITELY SHORTER.
AND GENERALLY, UM, FOR THE ENGINE, THE MAINTENANCE RELATED RUN-UPS, THOSE REALLY AT OUR LONG-TERM, HUNDRED PERCENT POWER MANY OF THE TIMES OKAY.
IS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP SOME SOUND BARRIERS TO, UH, ANY PLACES WE CAN.
I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSI, UH, CONSIDERED.
UH, FUNNY ENOUGH, WHEN, WHEN I WAS ACTUALLY GETTING THE FIRST, UM, I WOULD SAY CONCERNS RELATED TO THE RUN-UPS, UPON MY STARTING, I ACTUALLY WORKED WITH A COMPANY, BOTH OUR ENGINEERING FIRM, GARVER, AND A COMPANY THAT DEDICATES ITSELF TO BUILDING BARRIERS FOR SOUND TO LOOK AT PUTTING THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY AT THE CURRENT NORTH AND SOUTH MM-HMM
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE RUNUP AREAS IN THE RUNWAY.
AND THEY WOULD CAUSE OBSTRUCTION ISSUES 'CAUSE THE VERTICALITY OF THEM.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I'M SENSITIVE TO AS WELL IS I WANT A THRIVING AIRPORT.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BUSINESS AIRPORT.
GA SMALL GA HAS A PLACE THERE, BUT IT IS A BUSINESS AIRPORT FOR, FOR CORPORATE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE THE, UH, THE, THE BEST AND, AND HIGHEST COMMUNITY VALUE FOR THE AIRPORT.
BUT WE ALSO DO HAVE THE CITIZENS THAT DO, UH, HAVE A, HAVE THE SAY, HAVE A SAY IN THIS.
AND I, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY, UH, WE SHOULD LOOK BEYOND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES, UH, SUCH AS THE BARRIERS.
SO WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW DO WE GET TO YES.
WHAT DO WE DO TO, TO GET TO, YES.
I THINK WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN AND TRY HARDER ON THAT IS WE DO THAT.
WE, WE OWE THAT TO THE CITIZENS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY POSITION.
THEY'RE ON THE, UM, WORKING WITH THE GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAMS WHO DO A WEEKLY REPORT TO, UH, THE OPERATORS.
CAN WE HAVE THAT REPORT ADDED TO THE, UM, UM, THE, UH, THE FRIDAY REPORT FROM CITY MANAGER? I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT, BECAUSE THAT GIVES MORE VISIBILITY ON PROGRESS AND ADHERENCE.
UH, AND THAT WILL GIVE US INFORMATION AS FAR AS ACCOUNTABILITY AS WELL.
AND IT MAY BE DIGESTED, IT MAY NOT BE DIRECT.
I THINK WE CAN DO MAYBE A MONTHLY REPORT TO COUNCIL ON NOISE AND GET SOMETHING THAT'S RELEVANT TO YOU ALL.
I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND IT MAY BE SOME, SOMETHING INCLUDED IN, IN THE PACKET SO THAT IT'S MORE PUBLIC.
SO AS LAND LEASES COME UP AND WE GO, UH, SO WE, WE ADOPT SOME SORT OF AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S DECEMBER OR MAYBE IT'S MID-YEAR NEXT YEAR, WHICHEVER WE GO, AS THE LAND LEASE HAS COME UP AND WE TALK ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT, UH, WE, WE CAN STILL, UM, UH, HAVE A SAY IN WHAT WE, WHAT WE WANT TO GO THERE, UH, VERSUS WHAT THE DEFAULT PLAN IS.
AND WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL WE DO WANT TO GIVE GA A LITTLE BIT MORE SMALL GA A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, OR KEEP THAT SPACE.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT MIX AND HAVE THOSE OPERATORS ON THE AIRPORT, UH, JUST FUNDAMENTALLY FROM A SMALL GA STANDPOINT.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AIRPORT BEING A CORPORATE AIRPORT AT THIS POINT.
JETS COMPRISE ONLY A THIRD OF OPERATIONS.
THAT MEANS TWO THIRDS OF OPERATIONS ARE STILL THE SMALL GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT.
THE MAJORITY OF FLIGHTS THAT WE HAVE IN AND OUT OF ADDISON ARE NOT JETS.
THE MAJORITY OF FLIGHTS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE SMALL GA.
WHERE DOES THE MAJORITY OF REVENUE COME FROM THOSE TWO GROUPS? FROM, WITH REGARDS TO REVENUE PRODUCTION? THE REVENUE PRODUCTION IS GENERALLY HIGHER FROM THE JETS THAN IT IS FROM THE SMALL GENERAL AVIATION.
WHICH ONE CAUSES MORE WORK FOR THE AIRPORT? IT SEEMS LIKE THE HIGHER OPERATIONS DO, THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO KIND OF CALCULATE OR, OR DISTINGUISH.
UM, WE, WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT.
WE LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE AIRFIELD FOR ALL USERS, NOT NECESSARILY FOR ONE USER OR THE OTHER.
WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS WITH REGARDS TO WHEN WE MAKE LAND LEASES AVAILABLE, GENERALLY WHAT WE DO IS JUST THAT WE MAKE THE LAND AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS, AND THEN WE WAIT FOR THE PROPOSALS TO COME IN.
UM, THE PROPOSALS IN TERMS OF THE RFQ STRUCTURE, THERE ARE, UH, CERTAIN PARAMETERS, REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW RELATED TO HOW STRINGENT WE CAN BE RELATED
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TO WHAT WE WOULD MAYBE WANT IN THOSE AREAS.THERE ARE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE FA THAT MANDATE, AGAIN, LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO, UM, UH, REALLY TRY TO STEER SPECIFIC TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
AND I GUESS MAYBE IT WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, TEE HANGERS OR SMALL HANGERS AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CHOOSE TO, UH, LET THAT REDEVELOP OR NOT LET IT REDEVELOP.
AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO KEEPING THESE SMALL HANGERS AROUND.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO DOWN AND BUILD A HOUSE IN HIGHLAND PARK, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAN BUILDING IT HERE.
IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
UH, SMALL GA DOESN'T MEAN CHEAP.
AND IF YOU COME TO ADDISON, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY PAY MORE FOR YOUR RENT THAN YOUR GAS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE NATURE OF LOCATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE FAST, CHEAP AND EASY.
YOU GET A PICK TWO, UM, ON THE NOISE CONTOURS.
CAN YOU BRING THAT SLIDE UP PLEASE? SO THE, UH, PREVIOUS ONE FROM 2000 2007, THAT ONE, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT BY THE WAY? I MEAN, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT, BUT I, WE CAN SEE IT GOOD ENOUGH HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
THE RED LINE IS, UM, THE 2007 STUDY.
ORANGE? WELL, IT'S RED UP THERE.
I BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A COMPARATIVE FOR THE 2007.
WHAT THE STATEMENT ON THE SLIDE SAYS IS THAT WE UPDATED FROM IN 2022, THE PREVIOUS TO THE, THAT ONE WAS IN 20, IN 2007.
SO I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE, THE PROJECTED 2042, WHICH IS 2020 YEARS, UH, FOR US, UH, 20 NOW, BUT IT WAS, IT'S 15 YEARS, I GUESS.
THE BLUE LINE IS NOT ON THAT SIDE.
OVER ON THE OTHER SLIDE RIGHT.
IS, IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING IT TO BE THAT FAR OUT.
IT'S, IT'S IMPOSED ON THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE.
IS THAT, THAT'S BASED ON THE 2022 CONTOUR.
THE NEW CONTOUR IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.
THE NEW, AS PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN UPDATE CONTOUR BASED ON THE LATEST DATA THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.
SO IT IS 65 DNL IS IS THE YELLOW.
AND THAT YELLOW IS, IS SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONES THAT WE HAD.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE OUR CONTOUR, OUR OUR NOISE IS GOING DOWN, BASICALLY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT I WANNA MAKE.
THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT OTHER PEOPLE.
SO, SO THAT, THAT IS JUST THE NATURE OF THE, THE, UM, AIRPLANES, THEY'RE GETTING QUIETER.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S CONTINUING TO GROW AND GROW AND GROW AND GROW.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GETTING, IT'S, UM, VERY, UH, MANAGEABLE.
UH, THE I'M PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE.
CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE ON THE LAND USE AGAIN, THERE'S A COUPLE SLIDES BACK.
THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT PROPERTY THAT'S STILL GRAY AND I KNOW IT MAY NOT HAVE THE, UH, THROUGH THE FENCE BUILT.
UM, HOW COME THAT THAT PROPERTY ISN'T TARGETED TO BE, UH, ACQUIRED OR, UH, IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THAT? I KNOW IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT IF IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, WHY WOULDN'T WE BE LOOKING AT THAT? WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE.
THE REASON WHY THEY'RE NOT, UM, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS BECAUSE CURRENTLY THOSE ARE ALREADY NOT AERONAUTICAL USE.
THEY'RE ALREADY SOMETHING ELSE.
WE, WE AT SOME POINT MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THOSE.
AND THEY HAVE MIGRATED TO BE SOMETHING THAT CANNOT, THAT RIGHT NOW IS NOT BEING USED FOR AERONAUTICAL PURPOSES.
I WOULD THINK THEY SHOULD BE ON OUR RADAR ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRICELESS PROPERTY ON, ON THE WIDENING OF THE, THE RUNWAY.
UM, SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S A FORKLIFT.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IN MY LIFETIME.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T JUST WIDEN THE RUNWAY, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE TAXIWAYS.
UM, IS THAT, AM I READING THAT RIGHT? THAT THAT'S YOU ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
SO WE, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE DOING THAT, IS THAT IT IS IMPROBABLE.
IN PART BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING SO PROPER.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK REALLY HARD ON ALL THE NOISE THINGS THAT WE CAN, AND THAT WE KEEP THE VISIBILITY ON IT, WE KEEP THE EYE ON IT, WE KEEP PUSHING AND, YOU KNOW,
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FIND A WAY TO GET TO YES.WITH THE FAA, THAT'S JUST, WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS.
IT'S LIKE IN THE TOWN, WE HAVE A BUSY TOWN, WE SELL ALCOHOL, SO WE HAVE MORE POLICE AND WE GET THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
WE HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR MAYBE THIS SOUND STUDY.
IT'S COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR THIS, THIS TYPE OF AIRPORT.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO REALIZE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON.
BUT THAT'S, I I, I BELIEVE, AND WE MAY NEED TO SLOW DOWN ON, ON THE PROGRESS.
I DON'T WANT TO SLOW THIS THING DOWN ANYMORE, BUT I DO WANNA LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS.
UH, CAN YOU GO BACK, JAMIE, TO THE NOISE CONTOUR STUDY, UH, PAGE AND THEN OVER ON THE LEFT GENERAL RESULTS.
SO I JUST, YEAH, I'M JUST WANNA POINT OUT, WE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD STUDY COMPARED TO THE, THE ONE WE JUST DID TWO MONTHS AGO, MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT, RIGHT? UM, BUT, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE LEFT AND YOU ZOOM IN ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, GENERAL RESULTS, SO IF WE INCREASE 50% INCREASE IN OPERATIONS OVER THE NEXT 19 YEARS, WITHIN THE NEXT BULLET POINT LEADS TO ABOUT 38% INCREASE, UM, IN THE CONTOUR STUDY FOR 65 DNL AREA.
UM, SO, SO IF WE, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE OPERATIONS AND IT'LL RESULT IN, IN A LARGER, UH, LARGER CONTOUR STUDIES, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THAT IS THAT WHAT THAT'S, UH, CONTEMPLATING.
ASK A QUESTION ON THAT MARLON CLARIFICATION.
DO WE HAVE THAT 38% LINE UP THERE? UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE ON THIS, UH, PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS A 38% GROWTH.
AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU DO 50% MORE OPERATIONS, YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE NOISE.
UM, SO, SO AS FAR AS NOISE STUDIES, UM, YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE, UH, 1.5 MILLION FOR A PARTICULAR NOISE STUDY.
WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF NOISE STUDY WAS THAT? THAT WAS THE PART 1 6 1 STUDY.
AND, AND SO, UM, UH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING, ARE WE GONNA BE RECEIVING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OF, OF WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE AN ANY PARTICULAR ONE, FIVE OH OR 1 6 1 OR SOME TYPE OF NOISE STUDY OR RISK? CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO INTO THAT? I'LL, UH, I'LL TRY TO TACKLE THAT ONE.
SO WITH THE TWO STUDIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1 50, 1 61, WE'LL START WITH THE 1 61.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT COULD RESULT IN, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NO FLY AREA OVER OR NOISE AREA.
THAT COULD BE THE, THE GOAL THAT WE WOULD WANT.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GONNA COST $1.5 MILLION AND HAVE A LONG PROCESS.
IT ALSO IS VERY UNLIKELY THAT THAT WOULD RESULT IN NO FLY AREA HAS BEEN IN THE PAST 20 YEARS, NONE HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO THEN YOU GO TO THE PART ONE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO, BUT WE NEED TO GO INTO IT WITH EYES OPEN.
THE ONE 50, WE DID A ONE 50 STUDY IN 2004, AND IT ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
IT SAYS THIS AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A NOISE SENSITIVE AREA, SO WE COULD DO ANOTHER ONE 50 STUDY, BUT THE BEST CASE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
SO WE COULD DO A ONE 50 STUDY AND WE COULD HOPE THAT IT IDENTIFIES THIS AS NORTH SENSE AREA, BUT IT, WE ALREADY HAVE A STUDY THAT DOES THAT.
AND IT, AND, AND, UM, IT, IT COULD PRODUCE WORSE RESULTS THAN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
IT, IT COULD, BUT JUST TO REITERATE, A PART ONE 50 STUDY CAN ONLY RESULT IN VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM.
SO PART ONE 50 CAN ONLY RESULT IN A PART IN A VOL, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I YEAH, I I GET IT AND I, I, YEAH, I GET IT.
UM, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THAT'S NOT FORTHCOMING.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT DON'T EXPECT TO, TO, UM, GET THAT, GET THAT RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, I, FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO, I MEAN, I WOULD POINT OUT, AND NO ONE ON, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS, UH, JAMIE WASN'T AWARE OF IT, BUT IT, AND A RESIDENT DID BRING IT UP IN 2020.
STAFF AT THE TIME DID DISCUSS DOING A PART ONE 50 STUDY YEAH.
IN THE FUTURE AROUND THE MASTER PLAN.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY THEY MENTIONED THAT.
ALL WE CAN SAY IS WE CAN DO IT, BUT WE DO NEED TO WEIGH WHAT IS THE OUTCOME WE'RE LOOKING AND, AND I WAS THERE, RIGHT.
AND I'VE GOT THE PRESENTATION AND, AND SO, UM, BASICALLY JOEL JENKINSON
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WAS SAYING, UM, HEY, DON'T DO IT NOW, DO IT, DO IT WHEN WE DO THE NEXT MASTER PLAN AND WE'LL GET A GRANT.AND, UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE LIKE ANYTHING, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RISK AND THE REWARDS.
LIKE WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA GAIN FROM THIS? AND WE COULD, WE COULD LOSE GROUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I, I ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
I'M, I'M EVALUATING IN LIFE, SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET, GET, SEE WHAT WAS COMING OR, OR NOT, OR NOT AND WHY.
AND SO YOU, YOU, YOU ANSWERED THAT AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, FOR ME, IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT.
IT, THE MESSAGE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
I, I, UH, I, I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING IF WE CAN'T, IF THERE'S NOT SOME KNOWN, KNOWN BENEFIT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ONE 50 STUDY TAKES A YEAR, RIGHT? SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF ON HOLD FOR A YEAR WHILE WE'RE DOING, UH, UH, PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE DOING, DOING A, A ONE 50 STUDY, UH, MOST MORE DAYS THAN NOT, MAYBE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND I APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THOSE ANSWERS.
I WOULD ALSO, AGAIN ADD THAT IF WE WANT A MANDATORY TYPE OF SITUATION, NOISE ABATEMENT, THAT'S THE 1 61 ROUTE, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THAT PRE-APPROVED BY FA TO EVEN BEGIN A PART 1 61 STUDY.
UM, TO CLARIFY, IN CASE I'M WRONG, YOU HAD SAID PRIOR TO YOU ARRIVING YEARS AGO, AND YOU MAY HAVE THE DATE IN YOUR HEAD, WE USED TO DO 200,000 OPERATIONS.
WAS THAT 10 YEARS AGO? I MEAN, YOU CLARIFIED IT LAST NIGHT.
I BRIEFLY, THAT IS NOW HAS BEEN, I, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT WAS AT LEAST 20 PLUS YEARS AGO.
SO, SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT 50% INCREASE IN OPERATIONS, WE'VE ALREADY SURPASSED THAT 20 YEARS AGO.
WE, WE USED TO DO 200,000 OPERATIONS 20 YEARS AGO.
PEOPLE LIVED IN THE TOWN LIKE RANDY AND OTHERS.
AND THE NOISE CONTOURING BACK THEN MUST HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE JETS HAVE INCREASED IN SIZE, THE CITATIONS, THE GULF STREAMS, ET CETERA.
SO FOR CLARIFICATION TO GO FROM 130 OPS TO 195,000 OPS IS NOT CRAZY.
IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE IN THE TOWN'S HISTORY ITSELF.
IT BECOMES, THE NOISE ISSUE IS ONE OF THE BIGGER STICKING POINTS THAT I KEPT HEARING AND READING ABOUT AND ALL THESE EMAILS.
UM, SO YOU, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD ALSO OFFER IS THAT 20 YEARS AGO, THE AIRCRAFT WEREN'T AS QUIET AS THEY ARE TODAY.
THAT, THAT WAS, THAT THAT LEADS INTO THE NEXT POINT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, SO TALK TO ME FROM NOT BEING A PILOT, LIKE, LIKE BRANDY AND DARREN ABOUT CITATIONS AND GULF STREAMS, JUST LIKE CARS ARE GETTING QUIETER AND THE EMISSIONS ARE GETTING BETTER AND THE FUELS ARE GETTING CLEANER.
IS THAT HAPPENING IN THE WORLD OF ALL THINGS AIRPORT? YES.
THAT, THAT IS HAPPENING AND IT'S HAPPENING NOT JUST BY CHOICE OR BY MANUFACTURING, IT'S HAPPENING BY REGULATIONS.
SO FEDERAL REGULAT, FEDERAL REGULATIONS, FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
SO ONCE UPON A TIME YOU HAD STAGE ONE AIRCRAFT AND THEN THAT WAS OUT OUTLAWED.
ESSENTIALLY YOU HAD TO GO TO STAGE TWO ENGINES, THEN YOU HAD TO GO TO STAGE THREE ENGINES.
WE'RE NOW AT STAGE FOUR GOING INTO STAGE FIVE, AND EACH STAGE IS GETTING QUIETER AND QUIETER AND QUIETER.
MORE FUEL EFFICIENT, MORE FUEL EFFICIENT AS TIME GOES.
AND THERE HAS BEEN, I WOULD SAY, UH, DEFINITELY A MORE OF A PUSH RELATED TO MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY FUELS.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
SO ON THE WALPERT, THE 2025 STUDY THAT WAS DONE, AND THE POINT THAT I THINK I'VE YET TO HEAR, OR, AND I KNOW THERE'S A RESOUNDING CONVERSATION FROM THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, WHICH IS, AND I JUST READ THIS TERM OF HEALTH IMPACT STUDY OR HEALTH IMPACT ASSESSMENT, WAS THAT A PART OF THE WALPERT STUDY IN 2025? NO.
THAT, THAT THE MASTER PLAN DID NOT INCLUDE THAT SCOPE OF WORK.
IS THERE A REASON WHY IT DID NOT? YES, BECAUSE MASTER PLANS TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE THAT SCOPE OF WORK.
SO IF YOU LOOK UP AN AIRPORT MASTER PLAN PER WHAT THE FAA REQUIRES, THAT'S NOT PART OF IT.
SO THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE, THE HEALTH RISK.
LET'S SAY IF YOU LIVE NEXT TO AN AIRPORT VERSUS LIVING AWAY FROM AN AIRPORT, THE MASTER PLAN IS RELATED TO THE FACILITIES ITSELF.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE FOCUS OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS.
THE PART ONE 50 AND 1 61 IS A STUDY RELATED TO THE NOISE AND THE AIRSPACE.
AND THERE MAY BE OTHER, UH, REGULATIONS THAT PERTAIN TO A STUDY FOR HEALTH, BUT THE MASTER PLAN IS NOT IT.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE HARD PART THAT I'M HAVING TO DIGEST, IS WHY WOULD, I GUESS I'M HEALTH CONSCIOUS, UH, WHY WOULD WE NOT AS A TOWN TAP THE BRAKES AND DO A HEALTH STUDY IN OUR OWN TOWN? JUST TO, JUST TO APPEASE THE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR HEALTH, MORE SO THAN THE NOISE.
IT'S THE HEALTH OF WHAT THEY'RE SNIFFING THROUGH THE NOSE.
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I THINK THAT THIS BODY CAN ASK FOR ANY TYPE OF STUDY TO BE DONE, WHETHER IT'S A SPECIFIC NOISE STUDY OR HEALTH STUDY.UM, BUT THOSE STUDIES WOULD BE INDEPENDENT STUDIES, NOT PART OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, INDEPENDENT THROUGH A UNIVERSITY OR THROUGH AN ORGANIZATION THAT RUNS STUDIES.
SO I WOULD CHALLENGE OUR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT AS AN OPTION THAT WE CAN, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT A HEALTH STUDY HERE AT OUR ADDISON AIRPORT FOR THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE CONCERNED THAT DO LIVE IN THERE.
I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE RUN-UPS.
SO BACK TO RANDY'S POINT, WHEN HE'S SITTING THERE AT THE PARK AND TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, HE CAN'T HEAR HIMSELF THINK, IS THERE A HOTLINE THAT WE LIKE? WE HAVE A POLICE NON-EMERGENCY PHONE NUMBER.
IS THERE A HOTLINE THAT'S SIMPLY STATED? IF YOU HEAR A RUN UP AND IT IS NOT AT THE SOUTH END OF THE AIRPORT RIGHT NOW, TOMORROW MORNING, SOMEONE CAN CALL AND CLEARLY MAKE THAT.
OR DO THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE FAA WEBSITE? AND THAT'S WHERE THEY PUT, THAT'S WHERE THEY TAKE THEIR ANGER.
SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UM, BEING ABLE TO DOCUMENT THE, THE POTENTIAL TO CHANGE THE AIRSPACE FOR THE PURPOSES OF NOISE, THE FA IS THE CORRECT WAY TO GO.
I'M TALKING ON THE GROUND FOR THE PURPOSES OF ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE DOING A RUNUP AS AN EXAMPLE, WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE A HOTLINE, HOWEVER, BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A HOTLINE WHERE SOMEONE CAN CALL.
YEAH, I I WOULD LIKE IN THE INTERIM, YEAH, ANYONE CAN CALL OUR OPERATIONS NUMBER, WHICH IS A 24 7 365 NUMBER AND WE WILL ANSWER AND WE WILL RESPOND TO WHATEVER IS HAPPENING AT THE AIRPORT.
AND THAT PHONE NUMBER YOU CAN FIND ON OUR AIRPORT WEBSITE.
AND DAVID, IF WE CAN GET THAT IN THE WEEKLY NEWSLETTER SOMEWHERE, THAT'S JUST CLEARLY POINTED OUT, ALMOST LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE TRASH PICKUP CALL, IF YOU GOT MISSED, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP GET THAT INFORMATION OUT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE COMPLAINING HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN, BUT LET'S MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO FIND THE RIGHT ACCESS POINT.
MAYBE, AND MAYBE I'M TALKING IN CIRCLES, BUT UM, BACK TO BACK TO CITATIONS AND GULF STREAMS AND, AND PRIVATE JETS.
BACK TO THIS MISINFORMATION ABOUT COMMERCIAL JETS.
THAT GROUP THREE, YOU USE THAT TERM, GROUP THREE, THEIR GULF STREAMS ARE NOT IN GROUP THREE, OR THEY ARE A PART OF GROUP THREE CITATIONS.
THEY'RE PART OF, THEY'RE PART OF GROUP THREE.
SO BACK TO THE, EVEN THE FIRST SLIDE SHOWS A PICTURE, I THINK IT'S A CITATION, UM, THAT PO THAT MAY, MAY HOLD 40 PEOPLE ON THERE.
ARE WE EXPECTING IN THE NEXT 5, 10, 15 YEARS, THOSE GULF STREAMS, THOSE CITATIONS FROM YOUR FORECASTING AND, AND WILERTS, ARE THOSE GONNA DOUBLE IN SIZE AND THEY'LL STILL GET THE CLASS OF LANDING HERE AT ADDISON AIRPORT? RIGHT NOW, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE MANUFACTURERS, THE ANSWER IS NO.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF SEATS ON A PLANE ALSO MATTER FEDERALLY REGULATION WISE.
SO, UM, THOSE SEATS TYPICALLY, UM, ARE BELOW 2019, TYPICALLY AND BELOW.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR, HEAR, AND READ, THERE ISN'T A PUSH CORPORATE WISE TO MAKE, TO ADD SEATS TO THOSE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT.
I MEAN, THERE WAS THE DAYS OF THE HUMMERS AND THE FORD EXCURSIONS, THESE HUGE GAS GUZZLING B 10 V EIGHT ENGINES THAT WERE JUST CONSUMING AND, AND EMITTING A LOT OF BAD POLLUTIONS.
THE INDUSTRY CHANGED TO FIT, UH, WHERE THE NARRATIVE OF ELECTRIC AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE TYPE OF THING.
SO IS THAT THE SAME THING THAT POTENTIALLY IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD OF PRIVATE JETS? YES.
THAT THEY'RE GETTING MORE MIND MINDFUL? YES, BECAUSE MANY CORPORATIONS ALSO WANTED TO SHOW HOW ECHO FRIENDLY THEY WERE.
AND SO THEY, THEY CHOOSE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE MORE EFFICIENT, UH, BETTER SAFE, UH, SAVINGS IN TERMS OF FUEL, UM, AND BEING ABLE TO OPERATIONALLY BE ALSO PERFORMANCE WISE BETTER.
I, I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING MY LIST OF THOUGHTS THAT I HAD BEEN WRITING DOWN EARLIER IN THE DAY.
UM, THAT'S IT IN CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO JUMP IN FRONT OF ME.
UH, LET'S SEE, WHO DO WE HAVE NEL? SO ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION, JAMIE.
UM, WHICH I FORGOT TO MENTION EARLIER.
SO I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, AND UM, AS I'M OUT WALKING MY DOG, JUST EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I WILL SMELL, UM, AIR THE, THE JET FUEL.
SO I WILL SAY THAT MY HOTLINE WAS JAMIE
UM, THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, IS ABOUT THE GOOD NEIGHBOR, UM, INITIATIVE.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN LEGALLY, UM, REQUIRE NEW CORPORATE, UM, HANGAR TENANTS, UM, TO SIGN UP LIKE A MEMO OR SOMETHING, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE A VOLUNTARY NOISE ABATEMENT?
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YES.WE, WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH NOTIFICATION THAT THEY SIGN OFF ON THAT PROVIDES THEM THAT WE HAVE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR INITIATIVE AND THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREA, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THEM LEGALLY FOLLOW IT, CAN'T WE? OR I MEAN,
AND COUNCIL, I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE US START TO WRAP UP THIS DISCUSSION.
WE'VE BEEN GOING AT THIS A LONG TIME.
UM, SOMETHING BRIEF, RANDY, IT IS, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR YEARS, AND EVERY TIME I TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT IN THIS MASTER PLAN.
THAT COULD BE A REASON THAT I VOTE AGAINST THIS MASTER PLAN.
IF YOU DON'T PUT THAT IN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN SOME KIND OF PLAN.
YOU, YOU SAY, ALL OF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AND WANTING TO DO.
IT'S NOT IN CONCRETE, BUT IF IT'S NOT IN HERE, WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA THINK ABOUT IT OR DO IT.
SO I, I REALLY WANT TO SEE SOME KIND OF RAMP TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN FLY IN HERE, HAVE A BUSINESS MEETING, FLY OUT, COME IN TO DO OUR EAT AT OUR RESTAURANTS, FLY OUT, ME FLY IN, PICK MY WIFE UP, DON'T HAVE TO PAY 50 BUCKS THAT ONE OF THE FBOS JUST FOR HER TO GET IN THE AIRPLANE AND GO.
SO A TRANSITION RAMP IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
UH, I THINK THE AIRPORT HAS GOTTEN AWAY FROM OUR ORIGINAL MISSION STATEMENT HERE, BASICALLY, UH, WITH LIGHT AIRCRAFT, YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU, YOU MADE A STATEMENT A WHILE AGO THAT LIGHT AIRCRAFT IS A MAJORITY OF OUR TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS.
THAT'S NOT OWNER, THAT'S NOT OWNER OCCUPIED AIRCRAFT.
THAT IS THE, THE O OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES WITH THEIR SMALL AIRCRAFT TAKEN OFF IN LANDINGS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NOT BEING DECEPTIVE, YOU'RE BEING TRUTHFUL, BUT IT'S NOT PEOPLE LIKE AIRCRAFT OWNERS THAT I AM THAT HAVE OUR AIRPLANES HERE.
IN USING THAT, UH, THE 200,000 TAKEOFFS AND LANDING OPERATIONS THAT WE, WE HAD 20 YEARS AGO, WE HAD FOUR OR FIVE MORE FLIGHT SCHOOLS HERE AT THAT POINT.
THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER NUMBERS, IT WASN'T LARGE JETS, IT WAS THE SAME SMALL AIRCRAFT THAT WE HAVE HERE.
BUT WE HAVE RAN OFF THREE OR FOUR, FAIRLY THREE, I I I WILL RETRACT THAT WORD.
THEY HAVE LEFT BECAUSE THE AREA OF THE AIRPORT THAT THEY OCCUPIED HAS BEEN REDEVELOPED AND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE AIRPORT WAS APPROVING DOING.
SO THOSE OPERATORS LEFT, WHICH REDUCED OUR DEALER AND, AND THEY WERE NOT NOISE PROBLEMS THEY'D TAKE OFF QUICK AND TURN OUT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE 200,000 COMES IN.
UM, A REAL SIMPLE SOLUTION TO, TO A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THE, WITH THE PEOPLE WITH PITCHFORKS AND, AND TORCHES COMING AT US RIGHT NOW.
THE THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IN THIS PLAN, YOU HAVE TOLD THIS COUNCIL OVER AND OVER TONIGHT THAT YOU HAVE NO PLANS OF DOING THEM.
IT WOULD BE REALLY FAR FETCHED TO WIDEN THE RUNWAY AND TO MAKE THIS RUNWAY EXTENSION.
IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN EVER, EVER, EVER.
WHY NOT JUST TAKE THOSE OUT? WHY NOT JUST TAKE THOSE OUT AND, AND GET, GET RID OF, GET RID OF THOSE ARROWS THAT ARE BEING THROWN AT YOU AND US AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
IF IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOTHING THAT THEY CAN DO, THAT'S A, I TRIED TO BE BRIEF.
THERE WERE COMMENTS, NOT QUE OTHER THAN THE LAST ONE WAS A QUESTION I'D LIKE THAT CONSIDERED.
AND THE TRANSITION RAMP IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
OH, I THINK WE'RE THE ONES THAT SAY TAKE THINGS OUT OR LEAVE THINGS IN.
I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS FAR AS COUNCIL GOES, UM, TRANSITION RAMP, UM, MILLIONAIRE, HAPPILY TAKE YOUR MONEY EVERY DAY.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA GO, UH, SOMEWHERE FREE, THEN GO OUT IN THE COUNTRY, UH, FLY THERE.
GO WHERE WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT DID YOU SAY? GO OUT COUNTRY.
JUST LET HIM OUT IN THE COUNTRY SOMEWHERE.
DECATUR, BRIDGEPORT, TAKE YOUR PICK.
IT'S, IT'S JUST, UH, I THINK, UH, WHEN I, WHEN I FLY INTO MILLIONAIRE, THEY TREAT ME WELL AND YOU JUST PAY MONEY TO DO SO.
IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S, WE, WE CAN HAVE DIFFERING ON THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
THERE HAS TO BE AVAILABILITY AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE'VE GOT FBOS THAT, THAT DO THAT.
SO, UM, OTHER COMPARABLE AIRPORTS.
WHAT ARE SOME OTHER COMPARABLE AIRPORTS TO ADDISON? I MEAN, WITH THE DENSITY AROUND US, THE CITY AROUND US, THE TYPE OF CORPORATE TRAFFIC MIX THAT WE, WE HAVE, ARE WE LOOKING AT THOSE FOR COMPARISONS TO LEARN FROM, LIKE WE DO ALL OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES, THAT'S NOISE PROBLEMS. ARE WE
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LEARNING FROM THEM OR WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S SOME OF THE OPTIONS? THAT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT DELIVERED BACK TO US AS, AS KIND OF AN ANSWER, UM, FOR THAT.THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I ALWAYS HAVE AND I, I GET THAT FROM FOLKS AS WELL.
UM, I, I KNOW WE ARE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE DATA, WHAT, WHAT'S THE SIMILAR TYPE OF AIRPORT.
AND, UH, I'VE, I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS.
I'M GONNA MOVE THROUGH 'EM PRETTY QUICKLY.
UH, MOSTLY COMMENTS, BUT A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, SOME OF 'EM HAVE ALREADY BEEN AN ANSWERED, YOU MENTIONED HOTSPOTS.
IS THAT THE, THE SHORT BETWEEN THE RUNWAY AND THE TAXIWAY? YES, SIR.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT.
SO WITH THAT, WITH THE, WITH THE HOTSPOTS FOR ME ALSO ON THE PLAN, WITH THE HIGH SPEED TAXIWAY, FOR ME IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO COME OFF AT A HIGH SPEED 'CAUSE YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE TAXIWAY.
AND THAT MAY BE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET FROM THE FA FOR SURE.
SO WIDENING THE RUNWAY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME LENGTHENING THE RUNWAY.
I, I'M NOT REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVEN HAVE 'EM IN THE PLAN IF WE REALLY DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
UM, THE PUBLIC VIEWING AREA, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A PUBLIC VIEWING AREA, TO ME THE SOUTH END OF THE AIRPORT IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT.
'CAUSE PRIMARILY THEY'RE TAKING OFF TAKE OFF AND LANDING TO THE SOUTH.
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANNA SEE IS TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS, NOT AFTER THEY'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, 500 FEET UP.
UM, IF OPERATIONS ARE GONNA INCREASE 50% ISH, THAT'S, IT'S, THAT'S THE FORECAST.
I DON'T REALLY QUITE SEE HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT OUR FBOS RIGHT NOW ARE ALL AT MAX CAPACITY AND THEY'RE ALL BEGGING FOR HANGAR SPACE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THERE'S, WHERE THESE FOLKS ARE GONNA STAY IF THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR AIRCRAFT IN.
SO I KIND OF QUESTION THOSE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WE, IF WE MOVE THE RUNUP, THE, THE, THE MAINTENANCE RUNUP AREA TO THE, TO THE WEST SIDE, YOU CAN CALL IT TO WEST SIDE, BUT IT'S THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE RU OF THE RUNWAY OF THE AIRPORT, JUST RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE IT IS NOW.
AND SO THEN IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL THE MAINTENANCE RUN UP GOING ON UP THERE, EVERYBODY THAT LIVES TO THE NORTH GETS TO ENJOY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT, OF THAT NOISE JUST TO COMMENT, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT.
UM, AND I'M, I'M AFRAID TO ASK IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE, MARLON, I DIDN'T KNOW.
I JUST WANT TO ADD, UH, ADD ONTO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID ABOUT, UH, VIEWING PLACE, ESPECIALLY AT THE SOUTH WHERE I WOULD GO IS ARAPAHOE PARK, IT'S ALREADY THERE, UM, THE MOUNDS AND, AND THERE'S NATURAL SEA.
SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN, YOU, YOU CAN PARK ON ADDISON ROAD AND QUORUM AND YEAH, BUT EASILY WALK OVER THERE.
SO I'VE DONE IT BEFORE AND UM, AND IT, IT OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU SAID, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING AND WHICH WAY THE PLANES ARE GOING.
BUT, BUT THE POINT THAT YOU MADE IS IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE GONNA, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD BE LOOKING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YEAH, WITH THE PREVAILING SOUTH WIND, GENERALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE THE LANDING TAKEN OFF TO THE SOUTH AND UH, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANNA SEE.
THEY WANNA JUDGE THE LANDINGS TOO.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, BUT IT WAS OFF TOPIC.
I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO GET SHUT DOWN, SO, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE, JAMIE.
AND IT IS 10 13 AND WE'RE ADJOURNED.