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OKAY.[Call to Order]
IT IS FIVE 30 ON UH, JULY 7TH, 2026, AND WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL FOR OUR WORK SESSION MEETING.WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT WITH SIX MEMBERS ATTENDING, UH, IN PERSON.
AND WE HAVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GARDNER JOINING US VIA ZOOM.
AS ALWAYS, WE'D LIKE TO START TO PLAY WITH THE PLEDGE OF BOTH OF OUR FLAGS.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR ALL, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
WE'VE GOT, UH, A GOODLY AMOUNT OF WORK AHEAD OF US THIS EVENING.
DARREN, DID YOU? OKAY, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
[Public Comment]
THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT.CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THE SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED.
THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSSING THE ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
I HAVE ONE COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD TONIGHT, AND I ALSO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT SUBMITTED, UH, A, UH, COMMENT VIA EMAIL OR DID IT ONLINE, AND THAT CAME FROM EMILY LEVITT.
AND SHE JUST WROTE A, UH, A COMMENT ABOUT HOW, HOW THE, UH, LE LOCK AREA IS LOOKING QUITE BEAUTIFUL THESE DAYS AND WAS VERY COMPLIMENTARY OF, OF THAT.
AND THE COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD TO HAVE TONIGHT IS FROM G NIA, AND I'LL INVITE MR. QUINTANILLA.
YOU KNOW THE DRILL NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
I'M ERMO QUINTANILLA 41 15 RUSH CIRCLE, ADDISON.
BEFORE TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, I ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO VIEW THIS DISCUSSION NOT SIMPLY AS A CHOICE BETWEEN ORBIT AND GOLINK, BUT AS PERHAPS THE TOWN'S BEST OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE ADDISON'S RELATIONSHIP WITH DART WHILE THE FRAMEWORK IS STILL BEING NEGOTIATED.
TONIGHT'S AGENDA INDICATES THAT DART IS NOW WILLING TO CONSIDER FUNDING ADDISON ORBIT FOR ONE YEAR RATHER THAN SIMPLY REQUIRING ADDISON TO USE GOLINK AS ITS CURRENT AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT.
IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN MONTHS OF DISCUSSION INTO MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENTS IN REGIONAL TRANSIT SERVICE.
IF THAT OPPORTUNITY EXISTS, I HOPE COUNSEL WILL TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT AND BY ENSURING ANY AGREEMENT INCLUDES MEASURABLE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, TRANSPARENT REPORTING, AND A DEFINED PROCESS FOR EVALUATING SUCCESS AFTER THE FIRST YEAR.
AS YOU CONSIDER PROVIDING DIRECTION TONIGHT, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO ENSURE THESE ISSUES ARE ANSWERED BEFORE STAFF PROCEEDS WITH THE NEXT PHASE OF NEGOTIATIONS.
HOW WILL SUCCESS BE MEASURED? WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE FIRST YEAR? WILL THE TOWN RECEIVE THE OPERATIONAL DATA NEEDED TO INDEPENDENTLY EVALUATE PERFORMANCE AND REPORT RESULTS TO BOTH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC? THE FRAMEWORK YOU ESTABLISH NOW WILL SHAPE ADDISON'S RELATIONSHIP WITH DART WELL BEYOND TONIGHT.
AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON BETWEEN ORBIT AND GOLINK WOULD ALSO BE VALUABLE INFORMATION SUCH AS COST PER TRIP, CUSTOMER SATISFACTION, AND THE PERCENTAGE OF RIDES CONNECTING TO DART WOULD PROVIDE A STRONG STRONGER BASIS FOR FUTURE DECISIONS.
THE PRESENTATION NOTES THAT ORBIT CONNECTS TO DART STOPS AND NOLL TRAIL, BUT UNDERSTAND HOW OFTEN THESE CONNECTIONS ARE USED WILL HELP EVALUATE HOW THE SERVICE IS FUNCTIONING WITHIN THE BROADER TRANSIT SYSTEM.
I ALSO ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLETE COST OF WHATEVER OPTION IS SELECTED.
DART'S FUNDING IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PICTURE, BUT THE TOWN SHOULD ALSO UNDERSTAND ANY CONTINUING ADMINISTRATIVE TECHNOLOGY, MARKETING INTEGRATION, OR OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT REMAIN ADDISON'S RESPONSIBILITY, THOSE COSTS DESERVE TO BE CONSIDERED ALONGSIDE DART'S FUNDING CONTRIBUTION.
SO COUNCIL HAS THE COMPLETE PICTURE BEFORE PROVIDING DIRECTION.
THE PRESENTATION ALSO REFERENCES A FUTURE PRICING PROPOSAL FOR GO PASS INTEGRATION.
UNDERSTANDING THAT PROPOSAL AND ANY LONG-TERM FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS WILL HELP COUNCIL FULLY EVALUATE.
FINALLY, I WOULD SIMPLY OFFER THIS THOUGHT TONIGHT MAY BE THE TOWN'S BEST OPPORTUNITY TO DEFINE THESE EXPECTATIONS WHILE THE FRAMEWORK IS STILL BEING NEGOTIATED.
ONCE THE AGREEMENT IS FINALIZED, MANY OF THOSE DECISIONS WILL ALREADY HAVE
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BEEN MADE.WHATEVER DIRECTION COUNCIL ULTIMATELY CHOOSES, I HOPE IT IS ACCOMPANIED BY CLEAR ACCOUNTABILITY, MEASURABLE RESULTS, REGULAR PUBLIC REPORTING, AND AN AG AGREEMENT THAT REFLECTS THE STRONGEST PARTNERSHIP ADDISON CAN ACHIEVE FOR ITS RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, AND TAXPAYERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD I HAD.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE ON TO ITEM
[a. Present and discuss an update on Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART) matters and Addison Orbit.]
NUMBER FOUR, OUR WORK SESSION REPORTS FOR A PRESENT AND DISCUSS AND UPDATE ON DALLAS AREA, RAPID TRANSIT, DART MATTERS, AND ADDISON ORBIT.ASHLEY, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
ASHLEY SCHROER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
SO LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON BOTH OUR NEGOTIATIONS AND TALKS WITH DART, OUR ADDISON ORBIT PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN.
AND THEN, UH, WITHIN THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME PERFORMANCE AND FEEDBACK, THE CURRENT FLEET A GO PASS UPDATE AND THEN GET SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION.
SO, UM, AS WE TOLD COUNCIL CO UH, STAFF MET WITH THE INTERIM CEO OF DART ALONG WITH SOME OF THEIR STAFF.
FROM THAT, WE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, ONE BEING THE VIA CONTRACT.
THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT WE HAD WITH THEM.
WE TALKED ABOUT OUR MINIMUM SERVICE LEVELS SHARED WITH THEM, RIDER DATA, UH, EARLY PERFORMANCE ME METRICS THAT WE HAD, KNOWING THAT WE HADN'T FULLY ROLLED OUT THE PROGRAM YET.
WE DISCUSSED GOLINK AND OUR CONCERNS WITH GOLINK AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE.
AND THEN WE DISCUSSED FUNDING OPTIONS.
SO ULTIMATELY WHAT WE LEFT WITH WAS A REQUEST TO DART TO EITHER FUND ADDISON ORBIT IN LIEU OF GOLINK OR BRING DART'S GOLINK UP TO THE SERVICE LEVEL THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR ADDISON ORBIT.
SO AS A RESULT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, DART HAS OFFERED THE TOWN TO, UH, PAY FOR VIA OUR ADDISON ORBIT BEYOND OUR OCTOBER 15TH DATE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY IN A SIX MONTH PILOT PROGRAM, AND SO THEY WOULD PAY FOR THAT FOR THE COMING YEAR UP TO $802,000.
AND THEN, UM, OR WE COULD GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH GOLINK.
THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION THAT WE WILL ASK OF COUNSEL IS, DO YOU WANT US TO STAY WITH VIA OR, UM, GO WITH DARK GOLINK? UM, DART WANTS BASICALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH GO OR WITH ADDISON ORBIT PROVIDES DART TIME TO EVALUATE THE PERFORMANCE THAT ORBIT IS DOING.
THEY HAVE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE PROGRAM AND THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE BEEN, UH, GIVING TO THEM.
AND THEN DART IS PUTTING A TASK FORCE TOGETHER TO LOOK AT THEIR MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM TO LOOK AT IF GOLINK THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW IS APPROPRIATE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA ESTABLISH AN INTERNAL GOLINK 2.0 TASK FORCE THAT WILL EVALUATE AND IDENTIFY MARKET RESPONSIVE ENHANCEMENTS TO GOLINK.
UM, AND THEN DASHBOARD CAPABILITIES TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY WITH MEMBER CITIES.
UH, THE FUNDING AGREEMENT FROM DART WOULD ADDRESS ITEMS SUCH AS DATA SHARING, UH, DART'S, NATIONAL TRANSIT DATABASE REPORTING AND PERFORMANCE METRICS, FAIRES, ET CETERA.
UH, THE FINAL AGREEMENT WILL GO TO THE DART BOARD AND WOULD NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL.
SO JUST TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON ADDISON ORBIT, WE'VE HAD ONE MONTH NOW OF REALLY PUSHING OUT THE SYSTEM.
IT HAS BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL ONE MONTH.
UH, SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, ADDISON ORBIT IS OUR ON-DEMAND MICRO TRANSIT.
BOOKING OPTIONS ALLOW YOU TO BOOK THROUGH A MOBILE APP.
YOU CAN, UH, EVENTUALLY USE THE DARK GO PASS OR YOU CAN DO IT BY PHONE.
AND THEN WE HAVE DATA TRANSPARENCY.
ONE OF THE, UM, MANY HIGHLIGHTS OF VIA IN OUR ADDISON ORBIT IS WE HAVE HERE, I UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, BUT AMELIA CAN, HE CAN PULL THOSE NUMBERS FROM OUR VOC, OUR, UM, ONLINE PORTAL, AND WE HAVE IMMEDIATE DATA AT OUR FINGERTIPS.
SO LIKE JUST 30 MINUTES AGO, I WENT TO HIM AND SAID, HEY, BY THE WAY, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY RIDERS WE, OR HOW MANY COMPLETED RIDES WE HAD ON JULY 3RD? HE CAN PULL THAT UP FOR ME INSTANTLY.
AND THEN WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE CONNECTIONS TO DART STOPS HERE IN ADDISON AND
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THE NOLL TRAIL STATION ALONG WITH THE SILVER LINE STATION.AS I SAID, WE, AFTER THE ELECTION, WE STARTED MARKETING THE SERVICE.
WE WENT, WE MET WITH HOTELS, WE MET WITH BUSINESSES, WE HAD SOME BOOTS ON THE GROUND THAT WENT OUT AND MET WITH APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
WE HAD POPUPS AT THE ATHLETIC CLUB, PUT STUFF OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THE TOWN NEWSLETTER, UM, AND REALLY GOT THE WORD OUT IN ADDITION VIA OFFERED UP A ONE MONTH, UH, FREE RIDE.
SO THEY BASICALLY PAID US THE FARES WE WOULD'VE MADE FOR THE FREE RIDES.
THE ORBIT CONTRACT, OUR ORIGINAL SIX MONTH PILOT, UM, WAS THE 872,000.
THIS IS JUST A A KIND OF A REMINDER OF WHAT WE DID WHEN WE TOOK ALL OF THE PARATRANSIT OUT.
WHEN WE TOOK EVERYTHING OUT OF GOING TO THE RALLY POINTS, WE GOT THAT REVISED CONTRACT DOWN TO $538,000.
AND THEN WE HAVE REVISED THE PROPOSED ONE YEAR CONTRACT TO $800,000 TO MATCH WHAT DART IS OFFERING.
UM, WE'VE HAD OVER 1300 ACCOUNTS CREATED.
868 RIDERS REQUESTED AT LEAST ONE RIDE.
UM, THIS IS DATA THAT IS THROUGH APRIL 25TH TO JUNE 28TH.
WE'VE HAD 243 WRITERS COMPLETE TWO PLUS BOOKING, AND WE'VE HAD 105 WRITERS THAT HAVE COMPLETED FIVE MORE THAN FIVE BOOKINGS.
UM, WE HAVE OUR FIRST MEMBER OF WHAT WE ARE NAMING THE CENTURY CLUB THAT HAS HAD OVER A HUNDRED RIDES ON ORBIT.
UM, AND WE HAVE USED 3,590 VEHICLE HOURS SINCE WE LAUNCHED.
UH, WE HAVE 836 5 STAR RATINGS AVERAGING OF 4.9 STARS, AND OUR WAIT TIME IS 7.3 MINUTES.
AND AS A REMINDER, WE HAD IN THE CONTRACT, UM, AN AVERAGE WAIT TIME OF 12 MINUTES OR LESS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW WE HAVE GROWN FROM MAY EVEN TO JUNE, WE HAVE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF ACCOUNTS OUR REQUESTED RIDES IS UP OVER 800.
WE'VE GONE FROM 132, UH, INITIAL RIDES TO 334, AND THEN OUR POWER USERS HAVE GONE FROM 30 TO 105.
UM, I WOULD ALSO, I WANT TO POINT OUT OUR WAIT TIME HAS GONE UP, BUT THAT HAS TO DO WITH OUR NUMBER OF RIDES HAVE GONE UP.
SO OUR HOURS OF, OR OUR HOURS THAT WE'RE SEEING DRIVERS OUT HAS ADJUSTED AND OUR NUMBER OF RIDERS HAVE GONE UP.
WE ARE STILL WELL WITHIN OUR 12 MINUTES.
UM, IN TALKING TO VIA AND SOME OTHER GROUPS, I WILL TELL YOU A FIVE MINUTE WAIT TIME IS PRETTY UNUSUAL.
THAT'S LIKE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY GOOD THAT MOST DON'T HAVE.
SO KIND OF GETTING TO THIS SEVEN MINUTE WAIT TIME IS A PRETTY NORMAL WAIT TIME.
UH, WHEN WE STARTED ROLLING OUT THE PROGRAM AT THE BE END OF MAY, BEGINNING OF JUNE, OUR GOAL WAS A HUNDRED RIDES A DAY.
THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE OUR PERFECT SWEET SPOT THAT WOULD SHOW US THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY BUYING INTO THIS PROGRAM.
AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR WEEKLY RIDERSHIP GOING BACK FROM WHEN WE FIRST STARTED ON APRIL 20TH THROUGH THE JUNE 22ND, UM, HAS CONTINUED TO GO UP EXPONENTIALLY.
IT HAS BEEN A REALLY, UM, THE MARKETING TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THE WORD OUT THERE.
I THINK WORD OF MOUTH HAS HELPED ALSO, BUT MARKETING HAS REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB.
UM, COUPLE OF THINGS I DO WANNA POINT OUT IS WE DID HAVE, ON THE 26TH, WHICH WAS A FRIDAY, JUNE 26TH, WE HAD OUR FIRST OVER A HUNDRED DAY, WE HAD 102 RIDES, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN ODDLY THE NEXT TUESDAY WE HIT 104 RIDES.
SO WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS, UM, OUR, OUR DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE KIND OF FLUCTUATING OF WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE INCREASED RIDES.
SO IN WORKING WITH VIA, WE HAVE MADE SURE THAT EVERY EVENING WE HAVE MORE CARS ON THE STREET TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HITTING THAT DEMAND.
AND THEN ON JULY 3RD WE HAD A HUNDRED, I KNOW YOU JUST TOLD ME THAT ERIN AND I WROTE IT DOWN, 129 RIDES ON JULY 3RD.
SO THAT SO FAR HAS BEEN OUR HIGHEST DAY.
SO, UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, WE'RE HITTING THAT A HUNDRED.
YOU'LL SEE IN THE DATA THAT WE SENT OUT AS PART OF THE, UH, Q AND A THAT THE NUMBERS ARE DEFINITELY GETTING THERE.
SO, UM, A COUPLE OF, UH, QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED THAT WE WANNA BE ABLE TO ADDRESS
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THE TOWN'S CONTRACT CALLS FOR UTILIZING THE TOYOTA SIENNA VANS.WHY ARE SOME OF THEM CHRYSLERS? UH, HOW DO WE VERIFY AGE 65 AND UP SO THAT WE'RE CHARGING THE CORRECT RATE FOR SENIORS? CAN WE REMOVE THE FREE RIDE THAT CONNECTS TO THE NOLL TRAIL STATION AND RETAIN THIS AS JUST A RIDE PICKUP DROP OFF LOCATION? DID WE UPDATE THE ORDINANCE TO REFLECT FREE RIDES ONLY TO CHILDREN 12 AND UNDER? CAN WE ADJUST OUR HOURS OF OP OPERATION RELATED TO LACK OF DEMAND OR HIGH DEMAND SHOWN IN THE RIDERSHIP DATA? AND IS THERE AN UPDATE ON THE INTEGRATION OF THE DART GO PASS? SO OUR CURRENT FLEET IS TOTAL NINE VEHICLES.
SO WE HAVE SIX TOYOTA MINIVANS AND THREE CHRYSLER PACIFICA WAVE, UH, VEHICLES.
THOSE ARE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VANS.
UM, WE TOYOTA SIENNAS HAVE BECOME HARD TO GET IN THE FLEET RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY THE WAVE VEHICLES, WHICH WAS WHY WE WENT WITH THE CHRYSLERS.
VIA IS WORKING TO SECURE THOSE, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS TWO WAVE VEHICLES.
THEY'RE WORKING TO PRO, UM, PROCURE THE, THE TOYOTAS, BUT BASED ON OUR CURRENT DEMAND CHANGING THE SCOPE, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THE FLEET GO DOWN TO FOUR OF THE TOYOTA SIENNA MINIVANS AND TWO WAVE VEHICLES.
AGAIN, HOPING TO GET THOSE, UH, TOYOTA SIENNAS TO REPLACE THE WAVES.
UM, IF, AND AS YOU RECALL, THE HOURLY RATE THAT WE PAY IS ALL INCLUSIVE OF THE VEHICLE.
SO THE 61 10 THAT WE PAY INCLUDES THE VEHICLE.
UM, BUT THE VEHICLE IS ACTUALLY PROCURED BY OURS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE DO HERE WITH OUR TOWN FLEET WHERE WHEN WE NEED A VEHICLE, WE PAY AN UPFRONT $60,000 TO GO BUY A CAR.
UM, IT IS ACTUALLY IN THE HOURS THAT WE ARE ALREADY PAYING AND WE'RE PAYING IT BY HOUR, NOT BY BY VEHICLE.
THE OVER 65 RATE RIGHT NOW, BASICALLY YOU CAN GO IN AND JUST TOGGLE IN YOUR, UM, IT'S UNDER CONCESSIONS.
YOU CAN GO IN AND TOGGLE THAT YOU'RE OVER 65.
IN DOING SOME RESEARCH, WE HAVE BASICALLY TWO OPTIONS.
YOU CAN ADD A DATE OF BIRTH FIELD INTO THE APP, SO YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR DATE OF BIRTH IN THERE AND THAT WILL TRIGGER THE OVER 65 OR NOT.
IT IS NOT VERIFIED THROUGH A THIRD PARTY.
IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE DMV OR ANYTHING.
SO, UM, THAT IS QUICKER AND EASIER FOR THE PERSON SETTING UP THEIR ACCOUNT, BUT YOU COULD STILL PUT A FALSE DATE OF BIRTH IN THERE.
UM, YOU CAN ESTABLISH, WE COULD ESTABLISH AN, UH, ELIGIBILITY APPLICATION PROCESS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME IN, FILL OUT AN APPLICATION, VERIFY WITH STAFF, BE IT THROUGH, UM, UH, STATE ISSUED ID, A DRIVER'S LICENSE PASSPORT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY'RE OVER 65.
AND THEN WE WOULD TURN THAT ON ON THE BACK END THROUGH OUR SYSTEM THAT THEY GET THAT DISCOUNTED RATE.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
SO, AND MIND YOU, THEY DON'T, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET CLEAR ANSWERS OTHER THAN ARLINGTON.
ALL OF THESE ALSO PROVIDE OTHER SERVICES.
THEY PROVIDE A PAIR OF TRANSIT SERVICE.
SO WHERE THEY SAY THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS, THAT COULD ALSO BE THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS FOR PARATRANSIT.
WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET GOOD INFORMATION ON IT IF THAT WAS STRICTLY JUST TO, TO GET THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION OR IF IT WAS JUST PART OF THEIR OVERALL PROCESS.
SO DARK GOLINK HAS AN APPLICATION PROCESS.
YOU CAN SUBMIT ONLINE OR IN PERSON.
UM, ARLINGTON'S VIA DOESN'T GIVE A DISCOUNT, SO THEY DON'T HAVE A PROCESS.
DCTA HAS AN APPLICATION PROCESS.
UM, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT IN PERSON.
TRINITY METRO HAS AN APPLICATION YOU SUBMIT IN PERSON TO GET YOUR REDUCED FAIR ID.
AND THEN FOR US, WE SELF-SELECT IN THE APP.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS THE RATE.
WHEN WE INITIALLY SET OUR RATE, WE WANTED IT TO BE, UM, TO MIRROR WHAT DART CHARGES IN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH VIA THEY FEEL.
AND I, I AGREE THAT RATE IS A LITTLE HIGH CONSIDERING THAT THIS IS A STRICTLY MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT DART'S RATE, DART GETS YOU GO LINK GETS YOU THE BUS STREET CAR RAIL WHERE WE ARE A STRICTLY MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM.
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AND SO OUR PROPOSED RATE WOULD BE A DOLLAR 50 FOR ADULT SINGLE RIDES, A DOLLAR FOR SENIORS KEEP 12 AND UNDER FOR FREE, HAVE A DAILY PASS OF $3 $63 FOR AN ADULT MONTHLY PASS, 48 FOR A SENIOR MONTHLY PASS.AND IF DIRECTED, WE WOULD REMOVE THE NOLL TRAIL RALLY POINTS.
UM, ANOTHER OPTION IS ARLINGTON, INSTEAD OF DOING A MONTHLY PASS, DOES A RIDE BUNDLE CREDIT.
AND SO IN THAT CREDIT, WHAT THEY DO IS IF YOU BUY $25 WORTH OF CREDIT, YOU GET 30 FOR FREE.
IF YOU BUY $45 WORTH OF CREDIT, YOU GET 60 FOR FREE.
AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU BUY SOME AND YOU GET A A LITTLE EXTRA FOR FREE AND THEN YOU CAN JUST USE IT PER RIDE INSTEAD OF IT BEING STRICTLY A MONTHLY PASS THAT WOULD EXPIRE AT THE END OF 30 DAYS.
AND AGAIN, WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE, THIS IS THE MICRO TRANSIT FAIR COMPARISON FOR DART ARLINGTON, DCTA, TRINITY METRO.
AND THEN US, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS OUR HOURS OF OPERATION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WAS SENT OUT AS PART OF THE Q AND A, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE VERY FEW PASSENGERS EARLY IN THE MORNING.
WE WANTED TO MIRROR WHAT DART WAS DOING SO THAT WE HAD A COMPARABLE SERVICE.
BUT THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT BE IT EITHER NOW WE CAN DO IT WHEN WE, UM, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA AND COME BACK FOR THE ANNUAL CONTRACT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE OTHER CITIES.
THEY DO VARY ON THE WEEKENDS OTHER THAN DART.
SO IT IS SOMETHING WE, WE COULD LOOK AT.
MAYBE WE HAVE A HIGH DEMAND THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY TO STAY OPEN A LITTLE LATER.
UM, BUT WANTED TO SHOW YOU THOSE HOURS, THE DART GO PASS INTEGRATION.
SO WE MET WITH DART, WE ARE WORKING FORWARD ON THAT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW WITH THE DART STAFF.
WE ARE GOING TO SCOPE THE PROJECT, UH, CONFIRM THE TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY, WHICH VIA HAS ALREADY DONE THIS WITH OTHER ENTITIES THAT THEY WORK WITH.
DEVELOP THE PRICING PROPOSAL AND THE ILA THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADOPTED.
SO DART IS HOPING TO HAVE A ILA TO BOTH US AND THE DART BOARD IN AUGUST WITH A GO LIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 15TH TO HAVE THAT GO PASS INTEGRATION.
SO WITH THAT, THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND WE CAN GO BACK TO ANY SLIDE.
DAVID, NOW I JUST WANT TO, BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO, UH, COMMEND DART AND THEIR STAFF THAT WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH OVER THESE PAST NUMBER OF MONTHS.
THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPOSAL THAT THEY BROUGHT FORWARD IS A TESTAMENT TO THAT AS THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WHAT GOLINK LOOKS LIKE FOR THEM OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THEM IS THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WORKS, WORKS FOR EACH CITY MM-HMM
AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT EACH CITY IS GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES.
AND WHAT HAS BEEN REALLY, IT'S BEEN GOOD FOR ME TO HEAR FROM THEM IS THAT OPENNESS TO HAVING A TAILORED APPROACH TO EACH CITY.
SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITHOUT TAKING A MOMENT JUST TO RECOGNIZE DART AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THEM.
SOME QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CHANEL, UM, EXCUSE ME.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GO OVER THE 800,000 THAT, WHAT, WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM? SURE.
SO
NOW WHAT WE COULD LOOK AT IS, AND WE CAN DO THAT AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS IS WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM.
WE OBVIOUSLY USE THAT MONEY, UH, OR USE A LOT OF HOURS WITH THE HOTELS MM-HMM
WITH CONVENTIONS THAT COME IN WITH SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO WE COULD LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR HOW THAT MONEY IS FUNDED, THAT IT WOULDN'T COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE NUMBER 12 AND, AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND, I I THINK YOU SAID WE WERE, OKAY, SO WE GOING FROM NON VEHICLES TO SIX.
I'M GONNA ASK AARON TO COME UP BECAUSE HE IS WAY BETTER AT THAT THAN I AM.
UM, SO I'M GONNA LET AARON KIND OF TALK THROUGH THIS.
UH, AARON GIBO, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR VIA, UM, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE, THE CHANGE IN THE FLEET SIZE IS JUST A CHANGE IN THE SCOPE IN THE PROGRAM.
SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD ADDITIONAL, THE NINE VEHICLES DUE TO WE HAD A MUCH LARGER SERVICE AREA WITH THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE THAT WAS FIRST SCOPED AND MORE VEHICLE HOURS,
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UM, THAT WERE A PART OF THE PROGRAM.AND THEN WHEN THAT CHANGED IN MAY, UH, WE, WE JUST DON'T NEED AS MANY VEHICLES TO, UH, RUN THE TARGET IN THE, IN THE AREA WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN COULD YOU KIND OF DESCRIBE HOW IT DOESN'T, HOW THE FLEET IS IN THE, OR THE NUMBER OF HOURS IN THE FLEET? I NEVER GET THAT RIGHT
SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW OUR HOURLY RATE AND WHY THE HOURLY RATE WON'T GO DOWN? SURE.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT, UH, YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTE DO BETTER THAN I DO.
JUST, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE HOURLY RATE IS ALL INCLUSIVE AS ASHLEY MENTIONED EARLIER, AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON HOW MANY VEHICLE HOURS ARE DEPLOYED.
SO EVERY TIME, YOU KNOW, ONE VEHICLE'S ON THE ROAD WITH ONE DRIVER, THAT'S THAT HOURLY RATE.
AND, UM, BASED ON THE WAY THE VEHICLES ARE PROCURED, THAT RATE DOESN'T CHANGE, UM, WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, VEHICLES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE FLEET BECAUSE WE DON'T CHARGE YOU BASED ON THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN THE FLEET.
WE MANAGE THE FLEET SIZE, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE NEED TO DELIVER THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT, UH, YOU FOLKS DIRECT US TO RUN.
AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD, UM, ASHLEY, IS, UM, THE SENIORS THING, DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON HOW MANY SENIORS HAVE THE 65 AND OVER THAT HAVE ACTUALLY UTILIZED THE SERVICE? SO WE DON'T REALLY, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A VERY SKEWED NUMBER BECAUSE OUR RIDES WERE SO LOW IN APRIL AND THAT FIRST PART OF MAY.
AND THEN IN JUNE THROUGH JULY 19TH, WE'RE DOING FREE RIDES.
SO THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHO HAS TURNED IT ON.
WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHO WAS CHARGED THAT FAIR, BUT IT WOULD BE A VERY SKEWED NUMBER JUST BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A LOW NUMBER.
I WASN'T HERE IN MAY FOR THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, ARE, SO WHAT'S BEFORE US NOW IS JUST VIA OR GOLINK, HAVE WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT OTHER TECHNOLOGIES LIKE A WAYMO OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT ARE GAINING TRACTION IN DALLAS? SURE.
AND WE'RE NOT EXCLUDING ANY OF THOSE.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY STILL, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TRYING TO, UH, AT LEAST SHOWING OUR INTEREST IN THOSE THINGS.
UH, I DON'T THINK THE PLAN IS TO TRY TO EXCLUDE ANY OF 'EM, BUT THEY'RE NOT ANYTHING THAT'S WILLING, THAT HAS A, A PLAN TO COME TO ADDISON JUST YET.
AND THEN ON, UH, SLIDE SEVEN OR PAGE SEVEN, WHEN WE GET INTO THE NUMBER OF TOTAL VEHICLE HOURS, I KNOW AARON SORT OF TOUCHED ON THAT.
UM, BUT WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER REALLY REPRESENT? SO I MEAN, IS THAT OUR MAX? SO IF AN A CERTAIN, IS IT A MONTHLY NUMBER? IS IT AN ANNUAL NUMBER? IT'S, SO THAT'S AN ANNUAL NUMBER.
IT'S A, UM, THE WAY THAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS WRITTEN FOR THE SIX MONTH IS A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER.
SO WHAT WE COULD, I MEAN WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH VIA IS HOW DO WE, UH, WRITE THE CONTRACT WHERE WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT EQUALED TO 800,000, BUT WOULD ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BACK IF WE GET THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS JUST SUPER POPULAR.
WE CAN AMEND THE CONTRACT TO ADD MORE HOURS.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A AMOUNT OF HOURS DIVIDED BY 12 MONTHS OR SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
IT'S JUST A FULL POT OF HOURS.
SO THAT'S THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF HOURS FOR THE CONTRACT.
SO IF WE HIT THAT, THEN WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A, A RENEGOTIATION OR SOMETHING.
OR I GUESS WOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR MORE HOURS? I'M ASSUMING THERE WOULD BE NOT.
WELL, THERE WILL BE A, AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE, BUT NOT IN A, NOT AT A HIGHER RATE.
WE WOULD JUST NEED TO COME BACK AND WE CAN, UM, ACTUALLY AARON AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
HE HAS OTHER CITIES OR OTHER ENTITIES THAT HAVE CONTRACTS THAT HAVE, UM, MAY HAVE A CONTRACT AMOUNT, BUT THEN HAVE YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE DID, I THINK, UM, LAST MEETING WHEN WE DID THE CONTRACT FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER WHERE WE HAD A CONTRACT, BUT THEN WE HAD A CONTINGENCY OVER HERE IN CASE WE WENT OVER, HE'S HAD CONTRACTS THAT WERE SET UP THAT WAY WHERE YOU HAVE KIND OF A CONTINGENCY IF YOU GO OVER AND IT'S FUNDED SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR WE COULD AMEND THE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT.
BUT, UM, THEIR PLAN WOULD NOT BE THE CONTRACT HOURS.
UH, COST FOR THE HOURS WOULD BE THE SAME.
IT WOULDN'T BE BECAUSE WE WENT OVER, NOW IT'S GONE UP TO $64 AN HOUR.
YOU THREW A LOT OF GRAPHS AT US AND FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED IT, BUT HOW MANY MONTHLY HOURS? WHAT ARE OUR HOURS RIGHT NOW PER MONTH? SO AGAIN, IT'S VERY SKEWED.
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UH, JULY'S JULY JUNE'S HOURS WERE, THAT WAS THROUGH LAUNCH.LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.
DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD HOW MANY HOURS WE DID FOR JUNE? OKAY.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU JUNE'S NUMBERS.
YEAH, BECAUSE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS I LOVE THE IDEA OF DART COVERING THE EXPENSE FOR THIS.
I THINK THE MICRO TRANSITS IS A GREAT IDEA FOR OUR TOWN, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS ENTER INTO A CONTRACT THAT WE KNOW IS GONNA COST US MORE THAN HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING THIS THROUGH PROPERLY.
JUNE WAS 1,205, WHICH, WHICH YOU JUST MADE LIKE ON A RUN RATE BASIS WAS A LOWER AMOUNT THAN MAY AFTER THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL GAVE AT THE MAY 26TH MEETING.
IF WE ANNUALIZE THAT NUMBER AND WE KNOW OUR TREND'S INCREASING.
SO AS THIS CONTRACT COMES TOGETHER, I I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, WE TRY TO DO MORE THAN 13,000 HOURS.
I WOULDN'T ARGUE WITH THAT QUESTION.
UM, CAN I HAD SOMEONE REACH OUT TO ME? CAN YOU OPEN AN ACCOUNT WITHOUT A CREDIT CARD? YOU CAN PAY, YES.
YEAH, THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND PORTION OF THE SCREEN.
YOU CAN SAY SKIP, YOU CAN SKIP THE CREDIT CARD ADD.
SO THIS IS SOMEONE WHO, IS THIS AN UNBANKED INDIVIDUAL? WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY IS PROBABLY NOT THEIR STRONG SUIT.
UM, SO DID NOT WANT TO USE THE APP, WANTED TO CALL IN AND WHOEVER SHE CALLED IN TO SAID YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE ACCOUNT.
UM, THE WRITER DOES HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT.
UM, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET THAT UP WITHOUT, UH, A CREDIT CARD IF THE, THEY WERE GIVEN OTHER DIRECTION.
YOU CAN ASK ME THEIR NAME, WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
UM, IF A WRITER DOES CALL IN THOUGH, SO JUST GENERALLY SOMEONE DOESN'T WANNA USE THE APP.
IF THEY CALL IN AND WOULD LIKE TO PAY BACK CREDIT CARD OR ADD A CREDIT CARD TO THEIR ACCOUNT, THE AGENT CAN TRANSFER THEM.
LIKE THE AGENTS DO NOT TAKE THE CREDIT CARD NUMBERS DIRECTLY, BUT TRANSFER THEM TO AN AGENT WHERE, OR A SYSTEM WHERE THE WRITER CAN TYPE IN THEIR, UM, CREDIT CARD NUMBER.
UM, AND THERE'S COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT.
UM, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION TONIGHT, IF IF WE'RE TAKING THE RATE FROM $3 TO A BUCK 50 AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA VERIFY, UM, A DISCOUNT FOR SENIOR CITIZENS, I WOULD SUGGEST WE JUST DON'T DISCOUNT IT FOR SENIOR CITIZENS IF WE OKAY.
FROM THREE TO 50 PAID FOR EVERYONE.
HAVE WE HAD ANYONE PURCHASE A MULTI TASK YET? UM, PROBABLY OUR CENTURY CLUB RIDER.
I DON'T HAVE THE FULL DATA, BUT WE KNOW AT LEAST ONE, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION WORKING.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN OUR, SO WE HAVE A FEW THAT DO IT REALLY SPECIFICALLY FOR THEIR JOB AND EVERYTHING.
UM, VOP IS ONE OF THE BIG ONES, THE ATHLETIC CLUB.
UM, WHAT ARE THOSE? THE, THOSE ARE THE ONES I NORMALLY, YEAH, NO, UM, WE, WE WERE DISCUSSING, I THINK YOU WERE WORKING WITH EMILIO AND, UM, HE'S GOT SOME HEAT MAPS HE'S WORKING ON AS WELL.
BUT IN, IN THE DATA THAT ASHLEY MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S BOTH ADDRESS INFORMATION AND GPS COORDINATES FOR ALL THE REQUESTED PICKUP AND DROP OFF LOCATIONS FOR EVERY TRIP.
SO WE'LL BE AVAILABLE TO BE MA.
YEAH, EMILIO HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL IN BEING ABLE TO PULL THIS INFORMATION FOR ME.
THAT IS, AGAIN, ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE SYSTEM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO DART ABOUT, BECAUSE DART'S VERY INTERESTED IN THE DATA AND SO, UH, WE, EVERY TIME I RUN A REPORT, I ACTUALLY SEND IT TO DART SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO PULL.
UM, BUT YES, HE'S WORKING ON DOING SOME HEAT MAPS FOR US, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG ONES OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEAD.
UM, AARON, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, ON OUR COUNCIL QUESTION AND ANSWERS THE LAST, THE LAST PAGE OF THAT PAGE, I THINK 15.
BUT, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, DRIVERS AND HOW MANY DRIVERS AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PER DAY AND PER TIME AND SO FORTH.
AND SO, UM, WHEN I'M, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SEEING, UM, A LACK OF DRIVERS FROM FIVE 5:00 AM TO 6:00 AM AND 11 TO MIDNIGHT.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY STAFFING AT THAT TIME? OR IS THERE JUST LOW VERY, YOU KNOW, LOAD OF NO DEMAND? UH, THE LATTER.
SO THOSE ARE OUR LOWEST DEMAND
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TIMES OF THE DAY.AND SO WE, ONCE WE WE'RE GOING FOR THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF VEHICLES WE NEED ON THE ROAD, UH, SORT OF SIMILAR TO SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DEPLOY THE HOURS, THE VEHICLE HOURS, WE WANNA TRY AND MAKE THAT AS CLOSE TO WHERE THE DEMAND IS AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GET ON AVERAGE TWO THIRDS OF A RIDER, UM, PER DAY AT THE FIVE TO 6:00 AM TIME PERIOD AND ABOUT A ONE RIDER PER DAY, UM, FROM 11 TO MIDNIGHT.
THAT, SO THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, YEAH, THAT, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
AND, AND AS FAR AS, UM, UM, GUIDANCE, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THE APP WITH AGE, DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA SEE THAT GAME IN THE WRONG DIRECTION THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE ALL KIND OF KNOW ABOUT.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE SIMPLICITY, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, $3, THREE OR FREE.
SO $3 FOR ADULTS AND THEN FREE FOR CHILDREN 12 AND UNDER.
AND THEN CHARGE FOR, UH, NOEL NOEL TRAIL STATION.
YOU HAVE SOME ELSE I WANNA START OFF WITH, WITH JUST A COMMENT.
IT'S SO REFRESHING TO BE ABLE TO GET DATA AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE AND GET IT WHEN WE WANT IT AND GET WHAT WE WANT.
NOT HAVING TO WAIT TILL AUGUST TO DO A SIMPLE THING LIKE JOIN AN APP.
SO THANK THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT THAT PULLS THAT THROUGH.
UH, CHRIS KIND OF STOLE MY THUNDER ON THIS ONE, BUT, UH, THE THIRD OPTION FOR SENIORS WOULD BE TO MAKE EVERYBODY THE SAME CHARGE.
GET, GET RID OF, GET RID OF THE FILLING OUT FORMS OR HAVING TO, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE TELLING A FIB AND PUSHING A BUTTON, IF THEY'RE NOT 65, LET'S NOT WORRY ABOUT IT AND, UH, MAKE ALL THE FARES THE SAME.
ALL FARES THAT ARE CURRENTLY CHARGED ARE PROPOSED ARE SUCH MINIMAL CHARGES THAT THIS IS NOT PUTTING ANYBODY IN THE POOR HOUSE.
AND I, I AM MORE ON THE SIDE OF, UH, KEEPING OUR RIGHTS AT $3 FOR ALL.
UH, IF WE WANT TO DO, UH, THE UNDER 12 COMPLIMENTARY, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT IF THEY'RE RIDING WITH THEIR PARENTS OR SOMETHING, BUT, UH, YOU CAN'T GET IN YOUR VEHICLE AND DRIVE SOMEPLACE FOR $3.
SO, UH, I WOULD BE MORE ON BOARD WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT ALSO ADDRESSES AN ISSUE OF MAYBE MORE HOURS, UH, UH, SAVING, SAVING TIME ON THE CLOCK.
YOU KNOW, IN JUNE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE HOURS WENT WAY UP, WERE PEOPLE RIDING IT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS FREE? UM, AND WE REALLY WANT THIS SERVICE TO BE UTILIZED BUT NOT ABUSED.
SO, UM, BUT $3 IS SUCH A MINIMAL CHARGE.
IF WE WANT TO GO TO $2 FOR EVERYBODY, THAT'S OKAY.
I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY WHATEVER WE CHARGE SENIORS AND ADULTS SHOULD BE THE SAME AND NOT WORRY ABOUT ANY KIND OF, UH, SPECIAL PROCESS OF BRINGING YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN.
THAT THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM DOABLE TO ME.
THE FIVE TO SIX, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS, THAT WE WERE GONNA BE LOOKING AT DATA AFTER THE SIX MONTH PERIOD AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TWEAK HOURS AND THINGS.
IT, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE ONE PLACE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TWEAK YES.
AND, UH, ADJUST OUR HOURS OF OPERATION THERE WITHOUT AFFECTING ANYBODY'S ABILITY TO RIDE THIS THING.
UH, UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING VEHICLES AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOURS BY REDUCING THESE NUMBERS OF VEHICLES ON THE STREET IS GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT WE'RE POSSIBLY USING.
IS THAT THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT AS WELL? NO, I, I WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT IT THE OPPOSITE SERVICE AND NOT BEING USED.
I WOULD KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE OPPOSITE WAY.
DETERMINE HOW MANY VEHICLE HOURS YOU WANT, LIKE HOW MUCH SERVICE DO YOU WANNA PUT? RIGHT.
AND THEN WE SIZE THE FLEET ACCORDING TO THAT.
I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY AND, AND TRY TO KEEP IT UNDER THIS CAP WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NOT FIND A BIGGER FAN OF THIS PROGRAM THAN I AM.
YOU'LL NOT FIND A BIGGER FULL OF THIS PROGRAM COSTING THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF ADDISON ONE PENNY.
SO, UH, IF WE CAN DO THIS WITHOUT IT COSTING OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY, I'M ALL FOR THIS.
UH, WHEN WE REDUCE THE VEHICLES AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 4, 2, 4, WITH THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE, IS, IS THAT NOT GONNA BE CONSIDERED PARATRANSIT
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OR IS THAT JUST CONSIDERED SOMEONE THAT CALLS FOR A RIDE IN ORBIT, HAPPENS TO BE IN A WHEELCHAIR? YEAH, THAT, SO THE WAY VEHICLES ARE JUST A DA ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES RIGHT.BUT IT'S NOT CONSIDERED CARRIAGE TRANSIT.
UH, CARRIAGE TRANSIT IS MORE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU GET.
THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU GET, NOT NECESSARILY THE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S A, IT'S A DA ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE.
DO WE HAVE A DOCTOR RIDING WITH THEM OR A PARAMEDIC? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IF WE'RE HAVING A WHEELCHAIR GET IN THE BACK OF A MAN? SURE.
SO, UM, LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE AND A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE.
UM, WE HAVE A YOUNG LADY WHO LIVES DOWN HERE AT ANNE MARIE ON THE CIRCLE THAT USES DARK PARATRANSIT.
I SPOKE TO HER DAD A LOT WHEN WE WERE POSSIBLY GONNA MAKE THIS TRANSITION.
UM, SHE IS AUTISTIC AND WHEN SHE, WHAT HER LEVEL OF PARATRANSIT IS, IS SHE'S NOT COMFORTABLE STANDING OUTSIDE.
SHE'S NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, STRANGERS AND LOUD NOISES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SHE GOES THROUGH A PROCESS THAT GETS HER ELIGIBLE FOR A PARATRANSIT RIDE.
SO WHEN HER VEHICLE COMES, THEY CALL HER AND SAY WE'RE ON.
SO SHE GOES TO A, UM, A WORKFORCE CENTER IN PLANO.
THEY CALL HER AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE COMING TO GET YOU.
THEY CALL HER WHEN THEY GET THERE, HEY, WE'RE HERE.
THEY HELP HER BUCKLE HER SEATBELT.
YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN LIKE, EVEN IN THAT LEVEL OF PARATRANSIT, IT COULD BE I BROKE MY LEG AND RIGHT NOW I'VE GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY HELP ME AND MY CRUTCHES GET INTO THE CAR.
AND SO I MAY HAVE A LIMITED ELIGIBILITY PARATRANSIT.
UM, I COULD BE COMPLETELY ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF A, A DA ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE IF THERE IS ONE, BUT I DON'T NEED ANY HELP.
AND SO THAT ISN'T ALWAYS CONSIDERED PARATRANSIT, IT'S JUST AN ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE I CAN GET MYSELF IN AND OUT OF.
UM, I DON'T NEED THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE.
SO NO, NO MEDICAL ASSISTANT NECESSARY.
JUST POSSIBLE EXTRA PHYSICAL ASSISTANCE GETTING IN AND OUT AND RIGHT.
MORE OF A WHITE GLOVE TYPE CALL AND THAT TYPE THING.
UM, BUT ARE THE TWO WAVES THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT IF THEY WERE TO CALL, RIGHT? YES.
OTHER THAN THE FACT OF AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE 'EM OUT OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIKE WE WERE NORMALLY GONNA TAKE.
THEY WANTED TO GO SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CURRENTLY TRANSPORT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THEM.
COULD Y ALL MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THEY CAN HEAR IT ONLINE? YES.
AND HOW MANY, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS CASE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FAMILY TAKEN CARE OF.
HOW MANY, I DON'T WANT TO, WHAT'S THE TERM I WANT TO, HOW MANY TRUE PARATRANSIT RIDERS HAVE WE HAD IN ADDISON IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS? UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA.
'CAUSE THEY'RE USING DART PARATRANSIT.
UM, IF YOU RECALL FROM ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, THAT WAS KIND OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING.
UM, WE HAD A HIGHER NUMBER OF REGISTERED PARATRANSIT RIDERS THAN WE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE USING THE PARATRANSIT.
SO, UM, BUT ORBIT ITSELF HAS NOT DONE ANY PARATRANSIT RIDES WHEN WE WERE DOING THE PARATRANSIT AND TAKING THEM TO ALL 13 MEMBER CITIES, WE HAD NONE.
NO, BECAUSE WE DID NOT LAUNCH THAT UNTIL AFTER, WE WOULD NOT HAVE LAUNCHED THAT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION.
OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING THAT.
UH, SOMEBODY LET ME SAY, SOMEBODY COULD HAVE USED IT.
I UNDERSTAND THEY CONTINUED TO USE DART DURING THE ELECTION PROCESS.
ONCE AGAIN, I JUST THINK ALL THE FAIRES OUGHT TO BE THE SAME, WHETHER THEY BE $10, $3 A DOLLAR OR COMPLIMENTARY, I DON'T CARE.
BUT IT JUST NEEDS FOR SIMPLICITY'S SAKE, IT NEEDS TO BE THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO, UM, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME FOR GOLINK? UM, I THINK YOU ASKED WHAT'S THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME FOR GOLINK? YES.
YEAH, WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE WORKING ON THE VOLUME HERE.
YEAH, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU VERY WELL.
SO THE, WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT VOLUME TURNED UP, BUT, UM, THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME, IF I RECALL, WAS I THINK 15 MINUTES AND 75% OF THOSE WENT TO A, UH, A THIRD PARTY PROVIDER, EITHER UBER OR LYFT.
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SO DOES GOLINK HAVE A MAXIMUM RIDES A MONTH THAT THEY WERE ALLOCATING TO US? MAXIMUM? DID YOU SAY DARREN? DID YOU SAY GOLINK OR VIA, UH, GOLINK? WELL, WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, GOLINK HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED HERE YET, SO I DON'T THINK THAT INFORMATION, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE COME UP WITH ANYTHING AS FAR AS A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF, OF RIDES IN IN ADDISON.CAN Y'ALL, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY NOW? JUST BARELY, BARELY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ME OR YOU GUYS.
SO THE REASON I ASK IS 'CAUSE WE'RE REALLY NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES WHEN WE'RE COMPARING THIS GOLINK PLAN TO, UH, I'M SORRY, THE ORBIT PLAN TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED FOR GOLINK.
AND THAT MAKES ME, YOU KNOW, WONDER ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOURS IN THE, UH, PROPOSAL VERSUS THE USAGE IN THE DART MODEL.
SO IT'S THROTTLED BY TWO VEHICLES THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO ADDISON.
AND IN, IN THE ORBIT MODEL THAT WE HAVE IT, IT'S THROTTLED TO SIX VEHICLES TIMES 19 HOURS A DAY, TIMES 30 DAYS A MONTH, WHICH IS LIKE 6,000 HOURS.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TRACK OUR USAGE ON ORBIT AND IF WE'RE TRENDING HIGHER THAN OUR BUDGET, THEN CAN WE CUT THE VEHICLES BACK IN ORBIT SO THAT, UH, IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY INCREASE THE WAIT TIME, UH, TO WHATEVER THRESHOLD WE WANT WITHOUT EXCEEDING, UH, THE SPEND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK, ASHLEY, I ANSWERED THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT, SO LET'S SAY WE GET THROUGH HALFWAY THROUGH NEXT YEAR AND WE'RE AT 9,000 HOURS AND WE CAN SEE WE'RE TRACKING TOO HIGH OR HIGHER THAN LET'S IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, WE WOULD COME TO COUNCIL AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WE EITHER, AND YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS.
ONE IS WE'RE GOING TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT, A CONTRACT AMENDMENT IF NECESSARY, DEPENDING ON HOW THE CONTRACT'S WRITTEN TO INCREASE THE FUNDING AND THE CONTRACT SO WE CAN HAVE MORE HOURS OR WE'RE GONNA PULL THE LEVERS THAT DECREASE THE HOURS.
AND THAT WOULD BE HAVING A HIGHER FEE THAT WOULD BE REDUCING THE, THE NUM THE HOURS PER DAY THAT WERE, UM, AVAILABLE THAT WOULD BE WORKING WITH VIA.
AND IF WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE LONGER WAIT TIMES, I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
UM, BUT THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE THAT WE LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING POSSIBILITIES OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND.
THANK YOU FOR, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF SPENDING MORE MONEY.
WE CAN LOWER THE SERVICE LEVEL AND STAY WITHIN BUDGET AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE A HIGHER SERVICE LEVEL THAN WHAT GOLINK WOULD BE.
UH, SO THE ORIGINAL VIA ORBIT ESTIMATE FOR THE YEAR INCLUDED, UH, REPLACING ALL OF THE, UH, MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE BY THE BUSES.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE VIA PROPOSAL.
RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.
I THINK THE CONVERSATION WAS TO DO MICRO TRANSIT WITHIN ADDISON AND THEN PRIOR TO THE ELECTION IT WAS AND HOW TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO DO, IF, IF WE, IF WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE, IF THE ELECTION WOULD'VE GONE THAT DIRECTION TO HAVE THAT, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED TO ALSO THAT IT WOULD ALSO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF MICROT TRANSIT WITHIN ADDISON.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
SO I JUST WOULDN'T SAY THAT THIS WAS IN PLACE OF WHAT IT WAS.
THIS WAS ALWAYS A COMPONENT OF WHAT THE AGREEMENT CORRECT.
SO, SO AS I'M REALLY LOOKING AT THE SECOND PIECE OF IT THAT, UM, IN THIS, UH, MODEL OF THE 800,000 A YEAR NOT TO EXCEED DOES THAT, IS THAT WHAT, UH, VIA ESTIMATES OUR USAGE WILL BE? BECAUSE IT IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT WHENEVER WE'RE, WE'RE NOT COVERING WHAT BUS SERVICE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HERE IF WE HAD EXITED DART.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEIR MODEL MINUS THE EXTRA MOVEMENT, UH, BY THE BUSES WOULD BE 800,000 WOULD COVER ALL OF OUR, UH, DEMAND.
SO THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF HOURS IS BASED ON THE BUDGET THAT DART GAVE US.
YOU KNOW, DART SAID WE WILL PAY FOR $802,000 AND WE WENT BACK TO VIA AND SAID, UM, WHAT CAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THAT 800,000? AND WE TALKED THROUGH AND, AND KIND OF NEGOTIATED THROUGH THAT.
SO IT DOES NOT, THAT WAS NOT VIAS SUGGESTION ON THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT WE NEEDED.
THAT'S THE NUMBER OF HOURS WE COULD GET FOR THE AMOUNT THAT DART WAS WILLING TO PAY.
SO YOU BACKED INTO THE NUMBER FROM WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAD THE NUMBER THAT WE HAD.
WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND WE, THIS IS REALLY,
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THIS IS ALL IN ADVANCE OF HAVING THIS AGREEMENT WITH DART TO GET THEIR FUNDING.AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE DATA ON RIDERSHIP.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE, WE'RE GONNA KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT, WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSER TO AN ACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH VIA.
SO LET'S COME TO, LET'S SAY IT'S 15,000 HOURS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ANTICIPATING FOR THE YEAR.
THAT'S WHEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION TO SAY, LET'S SAY IT'S AN EXTRA $50,000.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT FROM THE HO TELE FUND? DO WE WANT TO TAKE, DO WE WANNA HAVE A TPI CONVERSATION OR DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS WE COULD LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD CLARIFICATION.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW MORE LOT MORE OF WHERE THAT NUMBER 13,000 HOURS CAME FROM.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S STRICTLY BACKED INTO THAT $800,000 NUMBER.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT MORE DECISIONS TO MAKE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE KIND OF A MONTHLY USAGE TO A THREE MONTH CHECKPOINT SO THAT WE'RE NOT SIX MONTHS IN AND BURN THROUGH HALF OF OUR BUDGET, BUT WE, WE CAN AGREE, UH, WE CAN DECIDE ON THAT, UH, THAT FREQUENCY.
UM, COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU WITH, UM, EMILIO'S WORK ON GETTING YOU THE DATA AS, UM, ARE WE DOING ANYTHING AS AN EDUCATION PROGRAM FOR LOCAL RESTAURANTS IN THE FULL SERVICE HOTELS FOR GETTING PEOPLE TO USE ADDISON ORBIT? YES, CONSTANTLY.
UM, AND I MEANT TO PUT IT IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE NOW WE'RE ON THE ELECTRONIC KIOSK AT, UH, MARRIOTT QUORUM NOW THAT SAYS TAKE, TAKE ORBIT AND ALL THE GOOD INFORMATION.
SO YES, UH, MARY AND HER TEAM ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH THOSE GROUPS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND ORBIT, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT IT OFFERS, WHAT THE PRICING IS, HOW TO DOWN, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THEIR STAFF KNOWS HOW TO DOWNLOAD THE APP SO THAT THEY CAN HELP ANYBODY.
SO YES, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A CONSTANT, UH, OCCURRENCE FOR US.
I WILL TELL YOU, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE LARGER HOTELS AT THE BEGINNING, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH IT OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE CONTRACTS WITH COMPANIES THAT COME IN ONCE A MONTH OR, OR HOWEVER FREQUENTLY.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO TELL THEM SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.
SO THEY WANTED TO SEE THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO STAY BEFORE THEY REALLY STARTED PUSHING IT OUT TO SOME OF THEIR HIGH USERS.
'CAUSE I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I, WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IN MY OWN PERSONAL DOOR TO DOOR KNOCKING IS MOST ARE SHAKING THEIR HEADS SAYING, WHAT IS ADDISON ORBIT? YEAH.
AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN APP.
SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PROMOTE LIKE A CHEERLEADER MYSELF.
SO MARY THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM.
BUT YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AS, AS RESIDENTS CHECK IN NOT RESIDENTS AS GUESTS CHECK IN COMING IN OFF OF THE SILVER LINE THE MINUTE THEY GET AS A PART OF THE CHECK-IN PROCESS, MAYBE THERE'S A VOUCHER UPON THAT CHECK CHECK-IN, LIKE WE DID FREE RIDES FOR JUNE.
SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE THAT WOULD THEN BE MEASURABLE THAT WHEN WE ASK EMILIO OR ASK HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PICKED UP AT HOTELS IN ADDISON VERSUS RESTAURANTS, THAT'D BE GREAT DATA FOR US TO KNOW HOW TO GROW IT.
BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE MISSING THAT IS THE BIGGEST UPSIDE OPPORTUNITY BESIDES RESIDENTS WITHIN ADDISON.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS WE ARE SIGNING A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH DART.
DART IS ACTUALLY LETTING US PUT A DEDICATED LIKE PICKUP DROP OFF SPACE AT THE SILVER LINE THAT WILL HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS LIKE ADDISON ORBIT.
AND YOU KNOW, SO EVEN PEOPLE WHO COME THROUGH THE SILVER LINE WILL SEE IMMEDIATELY, HEY, WE HAVE A MICRO TRANSIT OPTION HERE.
AND I, I DO THINK THAT THE, THAT TIDE IS TURNING WITHIN THE DART ORGANIZATION AND I CAN'T WAIT TO MEET THEIR NEW CEO, UM, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARTNERING WITH ADDISON.
SO AGAIN, VERY THANKFUL THAT THE BOARD IS COMING ON AND COMING AROUND TO, TO HELP SUPPORT THIS.
I, AND FOR CLARIFICATION, I COULDN'T RECALL THE NUMBER IF WE HADN'T HAD, WE STAYED IN AND GOLINK HAD COME IN IN APRIL.
WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATED COST OF ONE VEHICLE FOR GOLINK FROM DART? WAS IT ABOUT 800,000? IT WAS ONE VEHICLE.
SO, SO IT CONTRACT, CORRECT? YEAH, SO IT TECHNICALLY IT WAS TWO VEHICLES, BUT IT, THEY CONSIDER IT ONE DEDICATED VEHICLE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE ONE VEHICLE THAT KIND OF DID THE MORNINGS, ONE THAT DID THE AFTERNOONS, THE IN EVENINGS.
BUT YES, IT WAS ONE DEDICATED VEHICLE IN OUR TOWN'S CONTRIBUTION 2000 AND OUR, OUR CONTRIBUTION ESTIMATED WAS 800 PLUS THOUSAND.
SO THE DEDICATED CIRCULATOR, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE, UM, THE LITTLE BUS WAS, IT WAS 1.6 AND WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO PAY 800 AND SOMETHING FOR THAT, LIKE 880,000.
AND THEN DART WOULD PAY THAT ALSO.
CHRIS, JUST REALLY QUICK, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH, WITH MY QUESTION WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY HAVING DISCUSSIONS
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WITH DART ON THE RADAR WAS A CIRCULATOR AND THE GO LINK.SO WHERE ARE WE WITH A CIRCULATOR? HAVE WE DECIDED TO NOT DO A CIRCULATOR AND JUST USE ORBIT? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE GOT COUNCIL DIRECTION TO NOT DO THE CIRCULATOR.
I MEAN WE CAN BRING THAT BACK UP, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH ORBIT BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS AND WE, I FEEL LIKE THAT THIS REALLY ACCOMPLISHES THE GOALS THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH A, WITH A CIRCULATOR.
THE CIRCULATOR WAS GONNA BE A FREESTANDING VEHICLE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH AND THIS DOES ACCOMPLISH THAT.
BUT CERTAINLY IF COUNCIL HAS OTHER THOUGHTS, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR 'EM.
I GUESS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT THOUGHT IS IF THEY HAD BUDGETED 800,000 FOR GOLINK AND 800,000 FOR THE CIRCULATOR, IF WE'RE TWEAKING THIS CONTRACT AND WE FIND THAT WE'RE OVER THE 800,000 THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING US, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, THAT WAS THE EXACT SALES PITCH THAT WE DID TO START CONVERSATION.
SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT AND OKAY, WE CAN GO BACK ON THAT.
RANDY, REAL QUICK, UH, ONE DEDICATED VEHICLE FOR GOLINK $802,000 IS WHAT THEY BUDGET.
HOW MANY DEDICATED VEHICLES DO THEY PUT IN THEIR PARA-TRANSIT PROGRAM? I DO NOT KNOW.
WHAT, WHAT DO THEY BUDGET FOR PARATRANSIT, FOR ADDISON? I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY CITY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK, OKAY, WE WERE GOING TO DO PARATRANSIT IN OUR ORBIT MODEL HAD WE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE ELECTION AND WITHDREW, WOULD, WOULD ORBIT STILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT? IF WE COULD NEGOTIATE WITH DART FOR OUR ORBIT TO ALSO HANDLE PARATRANSIT IN THE TOWN AND, AND GET INTO THAT MONEY THAT THEY BUDGET FOR THE PARATRANSIT TO DO BOTH SERVICES IN OUR TOWN.
I'M SURE VIA WILL DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO PAY THEM TO DO.
THAT'S WHY I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT BUDGET, BUT YEAH, AND I DON'T KNOW, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SIMILAR BUDGETING PROCESS FOR THE PARATRANSIT.
IF THEY HAVE A BUDGETING MODEL FOR THE GOLD LINK, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD HAVE A NUMBER THAT THEY SET ASIDE FOR, FOR THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES IS IN DART WHEN THEY DO GOLD LINKS, THEY'RE DOING THESE INDIVIDUAL ZONES.
SO THEY HAVE A PLANO ZONE AND THEY WOULD HAVE OUR NEW ADDISON ZONE.
THEY HAVE A, WHEREAS FOR, FOR A PARATRANSIT, IT'S THE ENTIRE SERVICE AREA.
SO THEY, IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT IS DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAY TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, THAT IS DIFFERENT.
WHAT, WHAT IS THEIR MODEL WAIT TIME FOR A PARATRANSIT RIDE IN DART? I, I CAN FIND OUT.
UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TOO.
YOU SCHEDULE PARATRANSIT AND THAT'S TRUE.
YOU HAVE TO SCHEDULE IT IN ADVANCE.
WHICH WAS ANOTHER HUGE ADVANTAGE TO OUR PROGRAM THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO SCHEDULE THIS.
UM, SO YOU WOULD'VE ADVANTAGE OR, SO I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WELL YOU, WE STILL WOULD'VE HAD TO SCHEDULE FOR PARATRANSIT.
IS THAT HOW WE HAD MODELED OUR CONTRACT? MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT'S HOW WE ORIGINALLY MODELED IT, BUT UM, THAT IF YOU OPERATE YOUR OWN PARATRANSIT SERVICE, THAT COULD BE A POLICY DECISION TO ALLOW SAME DAY PARATRANSIT BOOKINGS IF YOU WANT.
THERE ARE
I WAS JUST SO THAT THAT IS A DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL THAT THEY HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.
UM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, DAN? JUST ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION.
UM, THE, THE FARES COLLECTED, WHETHER IT BE $2, A DOLLAR, 50, WHATEVER THE DOLLAR WE WE LAND ON, AND I'M OKAY COMING OFF OF THE $3 AS WELL FOR RECORD.
UM, THOSE DOLLARS THAT ARE COLLECTED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, THOSE COME BACK TO ADDISON.
THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN GOLINK, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THOSE DOLLARS DO NOT COME BACK TO ADDISON? CORRECT.
YEAH, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS THEN.
THEY'LL PROBABLY BE FOR BOTH OF YOU.
UM, SO, AND YOU, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A FEW TIMES AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WE'VE HAD YES.
AND SO I, I'VE SEEN WHEN WE'VE HAD ONE VEHICLE RUNNING AT A TIME, TWO VEHICLES, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE VERY OFTEN HAD MORE THAN TWO VEHICLES AT A TIME, BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT.
UH, UM, IF WE HAVE SIX VEHICLES AND IF THE, IF THE DEMAND CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT FOUR OR FIVE, SIX VEHICLES GOING AT A TIME, HOW, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THOSE NUMBERS? DOES THAT, IS THAT JUST GONNA BLOW THAT OUTTA THE WATER THEN AT THAT POINT? IF WE, IF WE HAVE A FIVE OR SIX VEHICLES GOING AT ALL TIMES? Y YES.
BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THOSE IS CHARGING A VEHICLE HOUR.
SO I MEAN, IT DOES, IT, IT ENDS UP ADDING TO THOSE HOURS, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE ROAD, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, OUR PEAK DEMAND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE SENT OUT TODAY OVER THE LAST MONTH HAS REALLY BEEN BETWEEN
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FOUR AND NINE.SO LET'S SAY BETWEEN FOUR AND NINE, YOU HAVE SIX VEHICLES ON THE ROAD.
YOU DO MATH BETTER THAN ME, AARON 30.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO COVERING STILL FROM NINE TO MIDNIGHT AND FROM 5:00 AM TO 4:00 PM MM-HMM
SO, I MEAN, IF, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE ME THE BUDGET, I CAN MAKE SURE THERE'S ADDISON ORBIT EVERYWHERE.
AND THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A WAIT TIME, BUT REALISTICALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR DEMAND WILL BE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE OUTSIDE OF SPECIAL EVENT TIMES.
AND, AND, AND, AND THAT, AND I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THAT POINT 'CAUSE YOU, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M A FAN OF ALL THIS AND I GET VERY FRUSTRATED ALSO WITH WHEN THE THINGS AREN'T GOING THE WAY IT WORSE LUCK EVER.
AND, UM, AND, AND SO IF WE, IF WE'RE NEVER GOING TO NEED FOUR OR FIVE VEHICLES, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE EVER TALKED ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN OR NINE VEHICLES.
WE NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED THAT.
AND THEN WE PAID THE UPFRONT COST TO GET THOSE VEHICLES EQUIPPED AND WRAPPED AND EVERYTHING.
SO I'LL, I MEAN, I'LL LET AARON TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF YOU WANNA GIVE THE VEHICLE SOME REST AND YOU WANNA HAVE YEAH.
YOU WANNA HAVE SPARES IN CASE A VEHICLE GOES DOWN.
UM, EVEN IN DARTS MODEL, THEY HAVE A VEHICLE THAT RUNS HALF THE DAY AND ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT RUNS THE OTHER HALF OF THE DAY.
SO, I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I MEAN, I THINK IF WE HAD STARTED THIS CONTRACT STRICTLY ON A MICRO TRANSIT BASIS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAD, BUT NOT KNOWING IF WE WERE GONNA BE PROVIDING PARATRANSIT YEAH.
THAT WE WERE GOING TO THE OTHER CITIES.
AND THAT, THAT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH REALISTIC NUMBERS.
WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
UM, SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD IS THE, UH, NO RIDES AVAILABLE.
HAS THAT BEEN COMPLETELY RESOLVED? YEAH, WE'VE DEFINITELY ADJUSTED.
I MEAN, IN SOME WAYS IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU COME CLOSE WITH MIC SO THEY CAN LINE YEAH, SURE.
UM, WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MATCH THE SUPPLY WITH THE DEMAND AND, UM, WE'VE ADJUSTED, AS WE'VE SEEN THE INCREASED RIDERSHIP IN JUNE, WHICH HAS BEEN GREAT TO SEE PUT MORE VEHICLES ON THE ROAD AT THOSE PEAK TIMES THAT ASHLEY MENTIONED.
SO, BUT THAT DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.
HAS THAT ISSUE BEEN RESOLVED? YEAH, I MEAN, SO, OKAY, SO TWO THINGS.
ONE IS, UM, YES, WE HOPE WE HAVE MADE SURE THAT DURING THAT PEAK TIME WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, EVEN ON THE DAYS WHERE WE DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WERE SEEING HIGH DEMAND ON LIKE MONDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY.
WELL THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ON TUESDAY, IT WAS ONE OF OUR HIGHEST DEMAND DAYS.
AND SO WE ARE NOW HAVE TWO VEHICLES EVERY DAY DURING THAT HIGH DEMAND.
NOW IT COULD BE, AS WE GO THROUGH, WE FIND OUT TUESDAY IS JUST AN EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH DAY CONSISTENTLY, THEN AARON, AS HE WATCHES THOSE NUMBERS ON A DAILY BASIS, WILL GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, TUESDAY NEEDS THREE VANS.
SO I THINK WE HAVE FIXED THE ISSUE OF THE NO RIDES AVAILABLE.
WE STILL MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WAIT TIME ON A PEAK, YOU KNOW, HOUR OR SOMETHING.
IN ADDITION, WE HAVE CHANGED IS THE NEW MESSAGE LIVE MM-HMM
SO WE ALSO HAVE CHANGED THE MESSAGE.
SO THE MESSAGE NOW SAYS, UM, AND MARY WROTE IT AND IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT.
IT SAID, IT NOW SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE ORBIT'S VERY POPULAR.
UM, THE WAIT TIME IS LONGER THAN 30 MINUTES.
PLEASE TRY BACK INSTEAD OF NO RIDES AVAILABLE.
WE HOPE NOW YOU WON'T HAVE TO SEE THAT MESSAGE.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHEN, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I, I WANT THIS TO BE HUGELY SUCCESSFUL AND, UM, AND, AND WE GOT SOME WORK TO DO, UM, WHEN WE WERE FIRST TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL WE COULD LOOK AT TO YOU WAS SOME, UH, REPORTS AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND STUFF FROM CITIES THAT WERE CURRENTLY USING IT.
AND, AND IT WAS, UH, SEEMED LIKE THE PROMINENT ONE WAS ARLINGTON BECAUSE THEY'VE USED IT IN A PRETTY BIG WAY.
AND YOU WOULD SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA WHAT PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT GETTING STRANDED.
IF YOU, IF IF I TAKE A, A RIDE SOMEWHERE AND I'M EXPECTING TO GET A RIDE BACK HOME AND YOU TELL ME IT'S GONNA BE LONGER THAN 30 MINUTES, PLEASE TRY BACK.
WELL, YES, THAT'S ANOTHER SOLUTION.
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THEN, THEN, THEN THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.I, BUT MY HOPE IS IF IT HAPPENS, WE CAN CORRECT IT VERY QUICKLY.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK SOMETIMES WE HAVE DEMAND THAT WE JUST DON'T ANTICIPATE.
HOPEFULLY AS WE GET MORE DATA, WE CAN ANTICIPATE THAT A LOT MORE.
UM, WE DON'T WANT THAT MESSAGE EITHER, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, NOT JUST HAVING A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, CARS OUT ON THE ROAD WITH NO, YOU KNOW, RIDERS MM-HMM
BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE DEMAND AND MEETING THE, THE, UM, OUR GOAL OF NOT GETTING THAT MESSAGE.
AND SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, ERIN LOOKS AT THAT ON A DAILY BASIS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT, ON A DAILY BASIS.
UM, I'VE GOT SOME GREAT ORBIT USERS THAT CALL ME ANYTIME THAT THERE'S ANYTHING HAPPENING.
AND I LOVE THAT BECAUSE THAT GIVES ME THE ABILITY.
UM, ERIN AND I HAVE TALKED AS LATE AS, YOU KNOW, 7 30, 8 O'CLOCK ON WEEKNIGHTS.
I MEAN, HE TAKES MY CALL, WHICH IS ANOTHER NICE THING.
SO WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, UM, AARON'S RIGHT ON IT, THERE'S BEEN CASES WHERE HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO GET DRIVERS IN THAT WEREN'T SCHEDULED.
SO IT, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT THAT MESSAGE EITHER.
AND SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN YEAH.
TO NOT, TO NOT HAVE THAT MESSAGE.
AND I, I, I, I ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S NOT EASY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE, THE RIGHT NUMBER, UH, AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, UH, VIA CAN BE QUITE NIMBLE IN, IN DEALING WITH THIS MIGHT MIGHT NOT BE AS NIMBLE AS I MIGHT WANT THEM TO BE AT THE DROP OF A HAT, BUT, BUT I GET IT.
AND I WOULD ALSO SAY IF WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONTRACT AND WE DO TALK ABOUT ADDING HOURS, THAT OBVIOUSLY MAKES US FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IN HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE MORE CARS ON THE ROAD AT PEAK TIME.
BECAUSE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I'M WATCHING EVERY WEEK, EVERY MONTH, YOU KNOW, OF HOW MANY HOURS DID WE USE? WE HAD A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT GOING ON.
I MEAN, SO WE'RE WATCHING THAT TOO.
SO, SO, SO THE OTHER QUESTION, THIS IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE AN ERROR IN QUESTION.
UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT NAV PLATFORM Y'ALL USE MM-HMM
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO, WHO, WHO, WHO DO YOU DO, DO YOU DO THAT THROUGH, BECAUSE I'M SURE IT'S NOT GOOGLE OR, OR WA BUT IT'S, IT'S WONKY AT BEST.
CAN, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE COMING WITH THAT 'CAUSE? 'CAUSE IT SENDS THE DRIVERS IN SOME REALLY ODD ROUTES.
YEAH, I THINK THE MAIN THING I'D SAY IS FROM THE REPORTS WE'VE BEEN GETTING, WE'VE SEEN IMPROVEMENT SINCE WE STARTED.
AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, THOSE ARE THE BEST THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO.
UM, AGAIN, IF YOU SPECIFIC EXAMPLES AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ROUTING WHAT TIME AND DAY.
UM, AND MAY MAYBE WE, WE MAY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO UNDERLYING MAP OR NAVIGATION PROGRAM, OR WE MAY NEED TO ADJUST, UM, IN SOME CASES WE NEED TO TURN OFF CERTAIN ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO WE CAN IMPROVE IT.
SO YEAH, IT'S, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE HEAT MAPS IS, UM, LOOKING AT WHEN THOSE PEAK TIMES ARE.
AND BY THAT I CAN JUST BY LOOKING AT THE HEAT MAPS, I CAN TELL AARON, HEY, IT'S REALLY BEST IF PEOPLE ARE GOING OVER TO VOP GO THIS WAY.
I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE GOTTEN, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND OF OUR POWER USERS.
UM, WE ARE GETTING MORE CONSISTENT DRIVERS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THREE, AT LEAST THREE THAT I KNOW OF DRIVERS WHO ARE PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENTLY DRIVING IN ADDISON AND THEY FIGURED OUT A LOT OF THE SHORTCUTS AND WHERE NOT TO GO DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY.
I'M HOPING THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET, UM, WE GET GREAT FEEDBACK ABOUT OUR CUSTOMERS FROM THE DRIVERS.
AND SO I, I HOPE THAT WE GET MORE AND MORE DRIVERS THAT WANNA DRIVE ONLY IN ADDISON SO THAT THEY DO KNOW A LOT OF THAT.
BUT YES, FROM THOSE HEAT MAPS, WE CAN CONVEY A LOT OF INFORMATION TO VIA, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MISSING A LOT OF THAT, UH, BUILDUP THAT PEOPLE AREN'T USED TO.
AND FOR ME, BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I, I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE, AT THE, AT THE MAP AND SEE THE ROUTE THAT THEY'RE GIVEN AND SOMETIMES IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.
IT'S NOT ABOUT A TRAFFIC SITUATION, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AN ODD ROUTE THAT IT, IT'S INDIRECT.
IT'S, IT TAKES THEM OUT OF THE WAY.
IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT GOOD, HONESTLY.
UM, SO THAT, SO THAT NEEDS TO BE BETTER.
I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION AFTER YOU BRUCE.
I'D LIKE TO GO AND FINISH MY QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T MIND THERE, DARREN.
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YOU.SO SPEAKING OF THE DRIVERS, YOUR DRIVERS ARE ALL VERY NICE, REALLY NICE FOLKS.
UM, AND I'VE HAD SOME THAT I'VE, I DON'T FEEL UNSAFE.
I FEEL THAT THEY'RE UNCERTAIN AS A DRIVER WHERE THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN AND THEY, AND THEY'RE LITERALLY LOOKING AT THE GREEN LIGHT AND THEY DON'T GO.
SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN UNCERTAINTY IF THEY'RE JUST NOT, IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DRIVING VERY LONG, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKE YOUNG OR ANYTHING.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF OVERSIGHT THERE IS.
SPOT CHECKS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT DO ON DRIVERS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THEM ALREADY.
UM, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU JUST WANT SOME CONFIDENCE IN THAT DRIVER, THAT DRIVER THAT YOU JUST GOT IN THE CAR WITH.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE AGE VERIFICATION, I, I, I'M, I'M WITH YOU GUYS.
I'M TOTALLY FINE TO JUST CHARGE EVERYBODY THE SAME.
AND I'M GOOD WITH THE DOLLAR AND A HALF TOO, UM, FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN A SEC.
UM, I LIKE THE BUNDLE PASS IDEA TOO.
THE MONTHLY IS GOOD, ONLY IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA RIDE A LOT IN, IN, UH, IN A GIVEN MONTH.
BUT THE BUNDLE IDEA OF IS KIND OF GOOD TO ME.
LIKE, LIKE WHEN YOU GO INTO THE DRIVING RANGE, YOU BUY THAT CARD FOR BUCKETS OF BALLS.
UM, YEAH, I THINK YOU DOING ANY ADJUSTMENT ON THE TIMING OF THE, OF THE HOURS? I THINK WE, WE, WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PILOT'S OVER.
AND IT'S THE OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE WAVE VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, OURS, OURS ARE ALL GONNA BE JUST LOCAL.
WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE OUTSIDE TO TILL WE COULDN'T DO PARATRANSIT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD FOR RIGHT NOW.
UH, MARLON YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE.
WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT
I DUNNO, BESIDE YOU MIGHT CROSS THAT ON, BUT YEAH.
OH YEAH, I WOULD JUST, I MEAN, I THINK OUR WE'RE GOOD THAT I, WE KIND OF VIEWED THAT AS JUST KIND OF A GLITCH OF THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT WAS A RALLY POINT.
SO WE'RE, OUR PLAN IS TO BRING IN AMENDMENT TO CHARGE TO GO TO NO TRAIL.
I THINK OUR QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH HAVING NO TRAIL INCLUDED OR NOT AS THE ONE EXCEPTION OUTSIDE OF, OF ADDISON? YEAH.
MARLA, UH, YEAH, I, NO, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO A COUPLE OF YOUR POINTS.
'CAUSE UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ONE YOU MADE IS JUST THE MOST IMPORTANT.
SO IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE DRIVERS, THIS, THIS DOESN'T WORK.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS JUNE REPORT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S LACK OF, OF, OF DRIVERS AT CERTAIN TIMES.
SO, UM, I AM HAPPY THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE GONE TO TWO DRIVERS, UM, AT CERTAIN TIMES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AT ALL HOURS, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT IS GONNA SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. OKAY? AND, AND THIS, UH, THIS MESSAGING HERE WITH 30 MINUTES, I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T, UM, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT PLAYS INTO OUR AVERAGE, AVERAGE PICKUP TIME.
IT PROBABLY DOESN'T CALCULATE AT ALL, WHICH SKEWS, SKEWS OUR NUMBERS, SKEWS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO, UM, WHEN I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE PRODUCTS WE'RE WORKING ON, I'M THINKING ABOUT OUR BRAND AND IT'S SO LIKE, CRITICAL THAT, THAT, THAT VIA YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A VERY HIGH LEVEL, UM, UH, HIGH LEVEL BRANDED PREMIUM BRAND.
AND THIS IS, WE'VE GOT OUR BRAND ALL OVER THIS, THIS PRODUCT.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE DRIVERS, UM, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE 'EM PICKING UP PEOPLE.
AND WE, QUITE FRANKLY, I, I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS, THIS MERIT, THIS MESSAGE IS BASICALLY SAYS WE DON'T HAVE DRIVERS.
SO, UM, I HOPE THAT GOES AWAY.
AND I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR FROM, FROM SOME OF THE POWER RIDER THAT THEY'RE, NOW THEY'RE SEEING TWO, TWO DRIVERS AS OF LAST WEEK.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD SHARE WITH YOU IS, UM, UM, ASHLEY, AARON, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO IT, BUT I MEAN, IT, IT WOULDN'T, IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE MUCH TO TALK TO SOME OF THESE POWER USERS.
THEY FREELY, THEY'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE.
OH, I, AND MOST, I TALK TO THEM A LOT, RIGHT? AND MOST, ME TOO.
AND THEY'RE, AND THEIR, UM, UM, THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS WERE ASKING, WELL, WHAT CAN WE IMPROVE ON? YOU KNOW, THEY FREELY TELL YOU.
AND, AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING, UH, FROM SOME OF THESE POWER USERS, I SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE NAVIGATION? HAS THAT GOT FIXED? WELL, NO, UH, THE DRIVERS ARE JUST USING GOOGLE NAVIGATION.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE HEARING THAT AARON OR NOT, BUT, UH, YOU ARE NOW.
AND, AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS IT, IT'S GETTING PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO B APPARENTLY, JEFFREY, UH, IS THE BEST, APPARENTLY JEFFREY LIVES IN ADDISON, KNOWS THE TERRAIN, KNOW, YOU KNOW, KNOWS THE STREETS LIKE WE DO.
I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THAT.
BUT, UM, WE'D LOVE TO GET MORE JEFFRIES DRIVING AND ADDISON.
UM, AND SO THE, THE LAST, THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO, UH, I'M GONNA CLOSE ON
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IS TWO THINGS.UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WHAT BASICALLY WHAT GQ WAS, WAS, WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE SHARED VIA EMAIL.
WHAT HE SHARED VERBALLY IS, UM, IS I HOPE THAT, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN TIME, ESPECIALLY WE'VE GOT THIS WEBSITE, THIS TRANS TRANSIT WEBSITE, WE HAVE GOT TO, UH, CREATE A, UM, A TRANSIT MISSION STATEMENT.
A TRANSIT MISSION STATEMENT, NOT JUST FOR VIA, BUT, BUT FOR, FOR TRANSIT.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY, REALLY KEY.
WHEN I TALK TO, UH, OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, ON BOARDS THAT ARE, UM, UM, MAJOR TRANSIT AGENCIES, IT'S LIKE, HEY, THAT'S, YOU NEED A MISSION STATEMENT.
SO HOPEFULLY THINK ABOUT THAT GOING FORWARD.
BUT, SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS ITEM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BECAUSE, UM, STAFF IS LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE.
WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN 'EM GUIDANCE THAT WE WANTED TO KEEP ORBIT AFTER THE SIX MONTH TRIAL.
WE DID THAT A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO ON MAY 26TH.
BUT NOW, NOW STAFF IS ASKING FOR GUIDANCE, UM, ORBIT PROGRAM WITH ONE YEAR FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH DART, UM, AND I, OUR GOAL LINK, UM, AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THIS GROUP IS THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH WITH ORBIT.
UM, AND IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THE OTHER TWO, TWO GUIDANCE, UH, POINTS ARE RATES AND FLEET.
AND SO, UM, AND THEN WITH RATES, YOU GOT NOLL TRAIL STATION.
SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF, UM, GO THROUGH THAT GUIDANCE AND, AND, AND GIVE YOU ALL CLEAR, CLEAR GUIDANCE.
AND, UH, AND YEAH, I'LL, I'LL ECHO YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT OUR BRAND BECAUSE IT, OUR BRAND IS SO IMPORTANT TO US, AND WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S NOT A LOGO, BUT OUR LOGO IS SORT OF ON THE, ON THE VANS.
AND, UH, IT, IT'S A MARKETING TOOL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT USES IT ALL THE TIME.
AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE.
I LIKE THIS PRODUCT SO MUCH, BUT IF WE'RE GOING OUT THERE SELLING IT AND SAY, THIS IS AMAZING.
THERE'S SO MUCH VALUE TO YOU, AND THEN IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE HAVE EGG ON OUR FACE.
SO, UM, WE, WE HAD, I, I'M ALL FOR CONTINUING TO DOING THE ONE YEAR FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH DART, AND, UH, AND I'M GONNA COME TO YOU, DARREN, I HADN'T FORGOT ABOUT YOU.
UM, AND, UH, BUT, BUT IT, WE JUST, WE, IT HAS TO BE BETTER.
WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP ON WORKING TO GET IT BETTER AND FIGURE, FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO DARREN, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, YOUR POINT, BRUCE, ABOUT BEING STRANDED, UH, AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THIS.
UH, THE REMOTE DOES, UH, DIMINISH A LITTLE BIT.
UH, HOW FAST CAN, UH, VIA PUT MORE DRIVERS ON THE ROAD IF THE DEMAND IS HIGH, REAL TIME? HOW FAST CAN THEY DO THAT REAL TIME, IF AT ALL? I'M GONNA LET AARON SPEAK TO THAT.
I MEAN, HE'S HAD HIM ON THE ROAD IN LESS THAN AN HOUR, BUT IT DEPENDS ON IF HE HAS DRIVERS.
I'LL LET AARON SPEAK TO IT, JUST, JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, ASHLEY.
SO IF HE'S GOT DRIVERS AVAILABLE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY QUICK.
DO WE HAVE THAT WRITTEN INTO OUR AGREEMENT? WHAT THE, UH, EXPECTATION WOULD BE? UM, I DON'T RECALL, BUT I CAN GO, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK.
IF WE HAVE, UH, TWO DRIVERS OR THREE DRIVERS ON THE ROAD OR AVAILABLE AND THEY'RE NOT DRIVING, ARE WE GETTING CHARGED FOR THEM BY HOUR? MM-HMM
IF THEY'RE ON SHIFT, THEN WE ARE GETTING CHARGED FOR THEM BY HOUR.
YOUR POINT ABOUT, UH, THE THE SERVICE LEVEL, THE BRAND, UH, AND BEING STRANDED, THAT, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
AND IT'S, IT'S ALMOST AS BAD AS, UM, JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FEW NUMBER OF VEHICLES, UH, AS GOLINK, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE WE'VE GOT SIX VEHICLES, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN USE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN FORECAST, BUT FORECAST IS CERTAINLY WAY TOO LATE WHEN SOMEBODY'S WAITING FOR A RIDE.
SO IF I'M JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS TO, TO THAT POINT.
'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A GREAT POINT THAT YOU'RE MAKING.
I THINK LONG TERM AS WE GET MORE TRENDS, WE CAN SAY, HEY, FRIDAY AT 4, 5 30, IT, IT'S PICKING UP, WE NEED FOUR CARS ON THE ROAD.
I THINK THE, THE ISSUES THAT ARE GONNA HIT US IS GONNA BE THE UNKNOWNS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE AS STAFF CAN DO THE DUE DILIGENCE.
I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT SCENARIOS IN MY HEAD.
LET'S SAY A BIG CONFERENCE COMES TO TOWN AND THEY'VE GOT A BIG EVENT AND THEY'RE ALL GOING SOMEWHERE AND WE'VE BEEN PUSHING ORBIT AND THAT BIG CONFERENCE COMES, IT'S A NATIONAL CONFERENCE AND EVERYBODY STARTS TAKING IT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK MM-HMM
THEN WE COULD PLAN PERFECTLY ALL ACROSS THE BOARD AND WE'RE IN THAT SITUATION.
SO I THINK THE MORE THAT WE HAVE OUR STAFF OUT THERE WORKING WITH THE HOTELS, WORKING WITH THE REST, ANYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE THOSE EVENTS, AND THAT'S FOR US TOO, IF WE'RE HAVING A, AN EVENT IN THE PARK, MAKING SURE WE TELL ORBIT THAT WE'RE, OR TELL VIA WE'RE HAVING THAT EVENT IN THE PARK.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS, THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE UNKNOWNS ARE KNOWN BEFOREHAND.
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BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA PROBABLY GET US YEAH.WELL IT SEEMS LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN ALIGNMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONE YEAR.
DAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF GET MOVING ALONG HERE? JUST LAST QUICK QUESTION, THE POINT, UNLESS I PASSED OVER IT, UM, ON GO PASS INTEGRATION, I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT DART WAS INVOLVED ACTIVELY GETTING VIA YES, WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW.
SO AT THE END OF THAT, WE'LL KNOW MORE FOR US TO YEAH, THEY, SO THEIR GOAL IS TO HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING BY OCTOBER 15TH.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA PUSH FOR SOONER, BUT THEY HAVE SAID NO LATER THAN OCTOBER 15TH.
BUT WE, WE, WE ALWAYS PUSH TO GET 'EM FASTER.
IS, UH, AM I READING THE ROOM RIGHT? IS THAT, ARE WE, IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? OKAY.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU GONNA GET INTO RATES NOW? UH, YEAH.
I THINK, I THINK BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM SNELL AND, AND DARREN.
BECAUSE YOU HEARD, YOU HEARD FROM ME.
I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE DOLLAR 50 BECAUSE, AND, AND I'LL, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
IT'S, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BREAKING ANYBODY'S BANK.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S ABOUT VALUE.
IF, IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY CAN GO TO DART AND GET $3 FOR A DAY PASS ALL DAY, AS MUCH AS THEY WANNA RIDE, AND THIS, THIS WOULD BE $3 PER RIDE, OR YOU CAN GET A $6 DAY PASS.
SO IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE ATHLETIC CLUB AND DO A ROUND TRIP, YOU GOTTA PAY SIX BUCKS.
AND, UH, FOR ME, THAT'S, TO ME, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER THAN IT SHOULD BE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE DOLLAR 50 AND ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR THE UNDER TWELVES 12 AND UNDER.
WHERE ARE YOU MONITOR? I'M OKAY.
NO, I, I SAID $3 BECAUSE WE'RE OFFERING A MORE PREMIUM PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE NOT WAITING, YOU'RE NOT GOING HAVING A WALK TO THE BUS STOP OR GO TO THE RAIL STOP.
I MEAN, IT'S COMING TO YOU DOOR TO DOOR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SAID $3.
THEN WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT? I'M OKAY WITH THE DOLLAR 50.
I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER DO $3 FOR A DAY PASS THAT THE MORE THAT I'M NOT ONE TO CHARGE PEOPLE A LOT OF MONEY TO USE THIS MM-HMM
BUT I, I WANT IT TO BE WORTH OUR WILD AS WELL.
AND IF WE, ONE OF THE ATTRACTIVE THINGS TO ME IS THOUGH THAT FAIR MONEY COMES BACK AND IF IT CAN BE PUT BACK INTO OUR SYSTEM, IT HELPS PAY FOR IT IN THE LONG RUN.
I JUST SEE IT AS THAT THAT OTHER DOLLAR 50 IS NOT GONNA BREAK THEIR BANK AND IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY AGREE MUCH EITHER.
THIS IS NOT THE HILL I'M WANTING TO DIE ON, ON THIS DEAL.
I, I JUST WANT IT EVEN ACROSS THE BOARD.
I, I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT ON THE STAFF YEAH.
TO HAVE TO PROVE TO SOMEBODY'S A SENIOR.
THAT'S MY BIGGEST PART ABOUT IT.
DARREN, WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT
I THINK YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD DIRECTION FROM US.
[b. Present and discuss a Tax Increment Financing (TIF) tool used to incentivize economic development within a Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone (TIRZ).]
FOUR B, PRESENT AND DISCUSS A TAX INCREMENT FINANCING TIFF TOOL USED TO INCENTIVIZE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL WAYNE EMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THE PROPOSED, UH, TAX INCREMENT.
WE'RE GONNA GO AND TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
IT IS 7 0 1 AND WE ARE BACK FROM OUR BREAK.
AND GOING BACK TO, UH, MR. WAYNE EMERSON.
UH, MR. MAYOR COUNSEL WAYNE EMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HERE TO TALK WITH YOU THIS EVENING ABOUT OUR PROPOSED, UH, TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE.
SO, UH, REAL QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS EVENING.
WE'RE GONNA DIVE INTO A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
WE'LL DO A VERY TRUNCATED, UH, TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE 1 0 1.
UH, WE'LL SPEAK INTO SOME SPECIFICS ABOUT THIS PROPOSED TURS.
UH, GO THROUGH THOSE NEXT STEPS AND THEN, UH, TAKE SOME QUESTIONS.
SO THE CONCEPT OF AURS HERE IN ADDISON,
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UM, WAS FIRST BROUGHT UP IN THE 2017 INWOOD CORRIDOR ENHANCEMENT ZONE STUDY, THE 2019 ADDISON CIRCLE AREA STUDY SPECIFICALLY CALLED FOR, UH, THE CREATION OF A TURS IN THIS AREA THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, THIS EVENING.AND THEN IN, UH, OF JULY OF 2024, WE DID A LITTLE, UH, TIFF, UH, ONE ON ONE, UH, SESSION TO KIND OF SPEAK ABOUT MECHANICS OF THIS.
UH, YOU MAY OFTEN HEAR THE TERM, AND I MAY SLIP INTO IT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
I MAY SAY, TIFF, THAT STANDS FOR TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, UH, VERSUS TURS OR TIF DISTRICT IS THE SAME AS A TUR.
SO YOU MAY HEAR THOSE TWO, UM, TERMS USED INTERCHANGEABLY.
UH, TYPICALLY HERE IN, UM, TEXAS, YOU'LL HEAR THE TERM TS.
AND THEN, UM, BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2025, UH, WE PRESENTED A PRELIMINARY FINANCING AND PROJECT PLAN.
AND FROM THAT MEETING, WE GOT THE DIRECTION, UH, FROM COUNSEL TO LOOK AT A STAIR STEPPED, UM, METHOD FOR IMPLEMENTING TS NUMBER ONE.
THAT WAS, UH, PUT DEFERRED, UH, DUE TO, UH, SOME OF THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND, UH, DART.
BUT NOW THAT THAT FUNDING, UH, HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN SOLIDIFIED, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
SO WHAT IS A TIFF? UH, I THINK THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GET CONFUSED ABOUT IS THIS IS NOT A NEW TAX ON DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS ONLY A REDIRECTION OF INCREMENTAL REVENUE.
AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS CHART, ONCE THE TIFF OR THE TURS IS IMPLEMENTED, UH, THAT IS CONSIDERED THE BASE YEAR.
SO ANY TAX REVENUE ON THAT BASE WOULD STAY WITHIN, UH, THE TAXING ENTITY.
IN THIS CASE, WHAT I'LL PROBABLY SPEAK ABOUT IS THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, AND THEN YOU SELECT A PARTICIPATION RATE.
SO ONE RATE WOULD GO TO THE TURS.
THE OTHER, UH, REMAINING RATE WOULD STAY WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, UH, FOR THAT DESIGNATED TERM.
UM, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE PROPOSING 30 YEARS, AND AT THE END OF THAT 30 YEARS, ALL OF THAT ADDITIONAL INCREMENT FLOWS BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO ONCE AGAIN, IT'S NOT ADDITIONAL TAX BURDEN.
UM, PRETTY MUCH ANY PROPERTY TAX, UH, TAX TAXING ENTITY CAN PARTICIPATE IF THEY HAVE AD VALOREM.
UH, SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE A LITTLE TRICKY.
THE STATE'S MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT, UH, FINANCIALLY FOR THEM TO DO IT, BUT LEGALLY THEY TECHNICALLY CAN.
SO IT'S VERY RARE TO SEE THAT THESE DAYS ONLY A CITY OR A COUNTY CAN INITIATE A TS.
UM, AND THEN A TIF OR A TS IS GOVERNED BY A BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UH, TRADITIONALLY THAT'S ABOUT FIVE TO 15.
UH, ONE IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT CAVEAT IS THAT, UH, THAT TIF BOARD CAN, UH, BE THIS BODY RIGHT HERE, THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH, UH, ULTIMATELY THAT IS WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING.
SO ALL PROJECT HOUSE ARE, ARE PAID OUT OF THE TIF AND EACH PROJECT IS, UM, APPROVED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BY BOTH THE TIF BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE CREATION OF A, UH, TS OR A TIF DISTRICT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY GRANT, UM, APPROVAL FOR ANY PROJECT THAT COMES THROUGH THERE.
EACH PROJECT STILL MUST BE APPROVED CASE BY CASE.
UM, CAN YOU CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES? YES.
SO THE CITY COUNCIL CAN AT ANY, UH, MOMENT CHANGE THOSE BOUNDARIES AND CAN ITTS BE TERMINATED? UH, YES.
AGAIN, THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT IS THAT IF THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING LIABILITY OBLIGATION TO, UH, A PROJECT THAT MUST BE, UH, FULFILLED BEFORE THAT PROJECT CAN BE TERMINATED.
SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO ANY OF THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AFTER IT'S TERMINATED? THAT GOES BACK TO THE TAXING ENTITY, OR IN THIS CASE, THAT WOULD BE THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THIS PROCESS, UH, THE FIRST PIECE IS YOU HAVE A, WHAT'S CALLED THE CREATION ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHES, UH, FIVE THINGS, THE BOUNDARY, THE TERM, THE PARTICIPATION RATE, WHO SITS ON THAT TURS BOARD, AND THEN THAT PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
AND THEN ONCE THAT IS CREATED, WE GOTTA COME BACK ONE MORE TIME, UM, AND, AND APPROVE THE FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
'CAUSE THAT WILL ACTUALLY, THE, THE TIF BOARD AT THAT TIME WILL BE CREATED.
THE TIF BOARD WILL APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THAT FINAL PLAN.
AND THEN THE LAST THING YOU DO IS YOU IDENTIFY THE POTENTIAL PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S REALLY ONGOING THROUGHOUT THE TERM OF THE TS.
SO WHO'S DOING THIS? UH, THIS IS A GOOD SAMPLE OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DOING IT.
UH, PRETTY MUCH JUST ABOUT ALL OF THE INNER, UH, SUBURB.
ALL OF YOUR URBAN AND INNER SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES WITHIN DFW ARE PARTICIPANTS IN HERE.
AND THEN HERE IN RED, YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE OUR COMPARISON CITIES.
SO WHY DO WE CREATE A TURF A TURS? UH,
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IF WE KNOW THAT PRI PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IS EXPECTED, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT, YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT CATALYST PROJECT.UH, I'VE SEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, SOME LESSONS LEARNED IS THAT IF A LOT OF FOLKS THINK, OH, IF YOU JUST PUT A TIFF ON IT, THAT'S GONNA SPUR ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT YOU REALLY NEED SOME SORT OF CATALYST PROJECT TO REALLY DRIVE THAT INCREMENT.
UM, THERE, UH, IT BENEFITS AN AREA LARGE.
AND THEN BY BENEFITING AREA LARGE, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN LEVERAGE INCREMENT FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THE IDEA BEING IS YOU WANNA PUT THAT INTO PROJECTS, UH, THAT NEED A ABOVE FOUR.
AND SO YOU CAN USE THAT REVENUE TO HELP FILL THAT FINANCING GAP IN THE PROJECTS THAT NEED 'EM.
UH, AND THEN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, AN AREA THAT ATTRACTS POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS, IT MAKES IT EASIER TO MARKET AND IT CREATES A SENSE OF PLACE AND IT LETS, UH, INVESTORS AND OWNERS OF PROPERTY KNOW THAT THEY ARE GETTING, UM, THAT THE CITY IS INVESTED AND DEDICATED AND GONNA BE REINVESTING BACK IN THAT ZONE.
SO THAT GIVES THEM THE COMFORT AND THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND REINVEST THEMSELVES.
SO OUR CATALYST PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO BE THE CENTERPIECE OF ADDISON JUNCTION, TURS NUMBER ONE IS THE ADDISON JUNCTION, TOD.
UH, I THINK YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, WHEN WE WENT AND WE STARTED CONSIDERING, UH, THE ZONE BOUNDARIES, THERE'S REALLY THREE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREMENT PRODUCING AREAS, SO AREAS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE GONNA DEVELOP, UH, NOT NEC, NOT IN NEED OF, OF TURS DOLLARS, BUT ARE GONNA DEVELOP SO THEY COULD SUPPLY SOME INCREMENTAL REVENUE FOR US.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT INCREMENTAL REVENUE, WE NEED TO FIND A REINVESTMENT TARGET.
SO WE ALSO INCLUDED, UH, AREAS THAT WE FELT WERE, UH, RIPE FOR REINVESTMENT OR IN NEED OF REINVESTMENT.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING THAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE ABOUT THIS TUR IS EARLIER I SAID, UM, ONLY ENTITIES THAT COULD, UH, COLLECT A VALOREM CAN PARTICIPATE.
BUT, UM, I'LL SPEAK ABOUT IT HERE.
I THINK IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS DART HAS A A PRETTY UNIQUE FINANCING, UH, TOOL IN WHICH THEY'RE GONNA, UH, PARTICIPATE IN OUR, IN, UH, IN THE, UH, MEMBER CITIES VIA TURS THROUGH AN ILA.
SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT AREAS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD FOR SALES TAX GENERATING PROPERTIES.
AND SO ONTO THAT DART PIECE, UH, BACK IN JUNE OF 2025, THE DART BOARD APPROVED, UH, A FRAMEWORK FOR AN ILA FOR ITS MEMBER CITIES.
UM, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT IS THAT THE TOURS HAD TO HAVE A TRANSIT ACRE.
UH, IT HAD TO BE USED FOR ELIGIBLE USES UNDER THEIR CHAPTER 4, 5, 2.
UH, THE DARK CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 55 AND 60%.
UH, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT OUR PROJECT, IT WOULD BE 60%.
AND THEN THE CITY HAS TO HAVE EQUAL MATCH IN FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS.
AND THE TERM THAT WAS APPROVED WAS FOR 10 YEARS.
UM, I WILL SAY THE STAFF IS CONTINUING DISCUSSIONS WITH DART ON, UM, ON THE FINAL TERMS OF WHAT THIS AGREEMENT COULD LOOK LIKE WITH ADDISON.
SO HERE ARE THOSE PROPOSED TURNS BOUNDARIES.
UM, SORT OF AT THE HEART OF THIS IS ADDISON JUNCTION AND IT EXTENDS UP TO, UM, I ALWAYS GET THE NOT SPRING VALLEY, UM, AIRPORT, AIRPORT PARKWAY.
AND THEN, UH, JUST DOWN TO THE BOTTOM EDGE OF, UH, BELTLINE THERE AROUND SPECTRUM CENTER AND KIND OF CARVES OUT THE RETAIL UP THERE.
SO THE PROJECTED TAX REVENUE, UH, WE TOOK THE, UH, COUNCIL'S DIRECTIONS AND WE, UH, STAIR STEPPED AT 80%, UH, IN THOSE YEARS ONE THROUGH 10.
AND THEN WE WENT TO 65% AND 11 THROUGH 20, AND THEN 50% IN YEARS, 21 THROUGH 30.
UH, RUNNING THE NUMBERS AT THAT, THAT ENDED UP WITH A CHURCH PARTICIPATION AMOUNT OF ABOUT, UH, 183 MILLION AND A NET BENEFIT BACK TO, UH, THE GENERAL FUND OF 1 75 OVERALL TAXES GENERATED FOR ALL, UH, TAXING ENTITIES, UH, WAS, UM, ONE, 1 BILLION.
GOING BACK TO THE ISD, UH, STEVEN, YOU WANNA COME STEP UP HERE 'CAUSE THIS IS, UH, SPECIFIC, NOT NECESSARILY TO ANY PROJECT THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE TURS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY SPECIFIC TO ADDISON JUNCTION, AND THIS WAS, UM, PRESENTED IN THE LAST MEETING IN OCTOBER.
UH, THANK YOU WAYNE MAYOR AND COUNCIL STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE THE LAST FEW TIMES THIS HAS BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED, BUT JUST WANNA REFRESH YOU ON, UH, WHAT THE ADDISON JUNCTION FUNDING STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.
SO, UH, BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE A WHILE FOR A TURS TO GENERATE, START, TO GENERATE THAT
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INCREMENT BECAUSE TAXES ARE DUE, UM, JANUARY 31ST OF EACH YEAR.UH, BASICALLY YOU'RE PAYING FROM THE PRIOR YEAR'S APPRAISAL.
SO IT DOES TAKE, UH, GENERALLY ABOUT AT LEAST A YEAR TO GET SOME MONEY GOING INTO THE, UH, TURS FUND.
SO, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE FINANCED WITH, UH, CASH RESERVES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE.
AND THOSE WOULD BE BASICALLY GENERAL FUND OR GENERAL FUND EXTENSIONS, UH, WHICH WOULD BE OUR SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUNDS, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND, UH, STREET SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUND, AND REPAID BY THE TURS.
AS THAT INCREMENTAL REVENUE IS GENERATED, UH, OVER THE YEARS, UH, STREETS AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE FINANCED, UH, WITH CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND REPAID BY THE TURS.
AGAIN, AS THAT INCREMENTAL REVENUE IS GENERATED OVER THE YEARS, UH, WE DO HAVE PARKING AND TRANSIT IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, WE DO HAVE AN OUTSTANDING, UH, GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND AUTHORIZATION FROM 2012, UH, WHICH WAS SPECIFIC TO, UH, THE, UH, ADDISON CIRCLE PARK DISTRICT.
UH, SO THERE'S $3 MILLION FOR THAT.
AND THEN COS THAT WOULD, UH, FINISH, UH, THAT PARKING PROJECT REPAID BY THE TURS AGAIN, UH, AS THE REVENUE IS GENERATED, UH, INCLUDING DART'S PARTICIPATION ON THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS.
UH, THOSE WOULD BE CASH RESERVES OR CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, AGAIN, REPAID BY THE TURS AS THAT REVENUE IS GENERATED.
UH, OPEN SPACE PARKS, UH, AND RECREATION FACILITIES OR IMPROVEMENTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE FINANCED WITH CASH RESERVES THAT I LISTED IN THE FIRST BULLET POINT REPAID BY THE TURS IS THAT A REVENUE IS GENERATED AND THEN ANY PUBLIC UTILITY SUCH AS UTILITY OR STORM WATER, UH, IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE, UH, EITHER RESIDUAL BOND PROCEEDS THAT WE HAVE, NEW COS OR CASH RESERVES FROM THOSE FUNDS, UH, TO FUND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
OKAY, SO THIS IS A PROJECTED PROJECT COST.
SO THESE ARE, UH, JUST ESTIMATES AND, UH, BASED ON PAST, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT THROUGH OTHER TIFF AND TURS AND LOOKING AT THE PERCENT OF ALLOCATION BY ALSO LOOKING AT THE NEEDS OF ADDISON JUNCTION TO KIND OF RIGHT SIZE THIS.
SO, UH, THAT 180 3 IS, UH, RIGHT SIZE TO THE AMOUNT OF THAT PARTICIPATION THAT WE WERE PROJECTING AS WELL.
SO THE PARTICULAR BUCKETS THAT YOU CAN HAVE HERE ARE PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, PARKING AND TRANSIT IMPROVEMENTS, STREET INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS, OPEN SPACE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS, OR THREE 80 AND THEN ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
AND SO, ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF THESE, UH, COST BUCKETS BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST ESTIMATES THEY CAN MOVE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
SO THIS IS REALLY JUST MEANT AS A, AS A PLANNING TOOL OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
AND IT'S QUITE EXPECTED THAT, UH, MORE THAN LIKELY THESE NEEDS WILL CHANGE AND YOU CAN MOVE THOSE, UH, FUNDS FROM, FROM EACH, UH, PROJECT COST CATEGORY.
SO NEXT STEPS, UH, IF GIVEN DIRECTION BY THE COUNCIL HERE, WE WILL GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE CONSIDERATION OF THE CREATION ORDINANCE, UH, NEXT WEEK AT THE JULY 14TH COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THEN, UH, ASSUMING THAT COUNCIL APPROVES THAT CREATION ORDINANCE, UM, WE'LL GO TO THE JULY 28TH AND APPROVE THE FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
UM, THAT WOULD, BY THAT POINT, THE TURS BOARD WILL HAVE BEEN CREATED.
THE BOARD WILL APPROVE THAT FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN AND THEN, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL BY A SEPARATE ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, THANK YOU WAYNE AND STEVEN.
UH, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE CHRIS FIRST.
THANK YOU MAYOR, AND THANKS WAYNE FOR THE PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE AREA IS CONCERNED, HOW COME WE'RE NOT INCLUDING INWOOD? I FEEL LIKE THAT THERE'S SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE.
WELL, SO REALLY THE IDEA WAS JUST THE, THE CONTINUITY OF KEEPING THE, UH, INCREMENT HERE WITHIN, UH, THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE PRESENTED THE, UH, BOUNDARY TO COUNCIL AT THAT OCTOBER MEETING AND WE, WE, WE PRODUCED THIS PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN BASED OFF THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.
UM, THE OTHER REASON WHY, CAN YOU REMIND ME THOUGH, I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT CAN YOU REMIND ME WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE INCLUDED IN WOOD? UM, WELL, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT THERE'S A FEW CONSIDERATIONS YOU WANNA LOOK AT IS ONCE THE, ONCE THE ZONE GETS TOO BIG, IT KIND OF LOSE ITS EFFECTIVENESS OF CONCENTRATING THE REINVESTMENT IN A CERTAIN AREA.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS YOU HAVE IS, UM, AS YOU CREATE OTHER, YOU COULD ALWAYS CREATE ANOTHER ONE IN INWOOD ITSELF.
UM, AND THEN IF EVENTUALLY YOU RUN INTO A CAP ABOUT HOW MUCH, UH, UH,
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TAXABLE PROPERTY VALUE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT INTO YOUR TIFFS, SO YOU GOTTA CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.UM, SO WE COULD COME BACK AND FORM ANOTHER ONE SURE.
IF WE WANTED TO REALLY TRY TO, UM, JUMPSTART THE INWOOD AREA.
YEAH, SO ESSENTIALLY THIS WAS LOOKING AT ADDISON JUNCTION AS A CATALYST AND WHAT COULD REALISTICALLY, UH, DRIVE REINVESTMENT FROM ADDISON JUNCTION.
SO I THINK THAT PART OF THAT CALCULUS WAS THAT, UH, INWOOD WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR AWAY TO REALLY FILL THE, UM, SPILLOVER EFFECTS OF ADDISON JUNCTION.
CERTAINLY WE HOPE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THERE, BUT, UM, JUST NOT AS MUCH OF THAT, OF THAT SPONGE EFFECT WOULD, WOULD REALLY GO IN THERE.
AND THEN WHY 30 YEARS, 30 YEARS IS PRETTY STANDARD, UH, TERM, UH, FOR THESE, I KNOW A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, A LOT OF GROUPS IF YOU'RE GONNA ISSUE DEBT.
SO I THINK LIKE, UH, STEVEN, WE USE WHAT, 20 YEARS OR 25 YEARS ON OUR 20.
SO YOU, SO ALSO YOU NEED ABOUT 10 YEARS AGAIN FOR THAT INCREMENT TO BUILD UP.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT 10 YEARS THERE TO BUILD THAT INCREMENT AND THEN ANOTHER 20 TO PAY ANY DEBT.
UH, AND THEN I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE FOR STEVEN OR NOT, BUT ARE WE, ARE WE PLEDGING THE T'S REVENUE TO, TO BONDS OR IS THAT STILL AVALAR PAID OUT THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE DEBT FUND? YEAH, SO SINCE THERE IS NO REVENUE CURRENTLY, UM, THE PLAN IS TO DO COS THAT WOULD BE HAVE THE PROPERTY TAX BACKING, BUT WE WOULD PAY THEM FROM THE TS FUND.
SO THE TS FUND IS ESSENTIALLY GETTING A, THE SAME FINANCING THAT THE TOWN WOULD IF WE WERE GONNA GO OUT AND DO THESE PROJECTS OURSELVES.
AND THEN, SO BASICALLY THE IN THE INTEREST COST WILL BE THE, THE REGULAR INTEREST COST THAT WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO PAYING AND THEN, UH, WOULD REPAY THAT BASICALLY LOAN AS THE INCREMENT IS GENERATED.
BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T PLEDGE THE TURS WE DON'T GET A SPECIAL RATE BECAUSE THERE'S ESSENTIALLY A SECONDARY SOURCE OF REPAYMENT.
YOU GET A SPECIAL RATE AND IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN
SO IT IS, IT IS, IT IS A HIGHER RATE.
SO BECAUSE THE TURS CURRENTLY IS NOT IN EXISTENCE, IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, ANY REVENUE GENERATING RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE USE TURS BONDS, IF YOU USE TURS BONDS, SO THERE IS A MUCH HIGHER FINANCING COST TO USE BONDS.
BUT IF WE, BUT IF WE GO THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WHERE WE JUST TOWN FUNDS AND THEN THE TURS PAYS BACK, WE'RE GONNA GET THE TOWNS THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN, UM, HOW FAR BACK CAN YOU GO WITH REPAYMENT? AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT, THE TURS ISN'T GONNA BE FUNDED UP FRONT, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE ON DEBT AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE.
CAN WE GO BACK ONCE THE TURS IS FUNDED AND REPAY OURSELVES? YES, WE CAN.
AND THEN THIS IS PROBABLY FOR WAYNE.
I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON, ON THE DART RELATIONSHIP.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT REALLY TWO THINGS GOING ON HERE.
WE, WE HAVE THE TURS, RIGHT, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE DART PARTICIPATING SOME OF THOSE FUNDS FROM, FROM THE TURS WE CAN USE FOR WHATEVER WE WANT, BUT THE DART FUNDS ARE FOR ONLY CERTAIN APPROVED THINGS AND THEN WHATEVER WE FUND WITH DART FUNDS, WE'VE GOTTA MATCH.
IS THAT RIGHT? AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT.
SO CHAPTER, LET ME SEE, GOT UP CHAPTER 4, 5 2.
SO IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST DISCUSSING THIS WITH WIT BEFORE TO REALLY KIND UNDERSTAND, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD GO IN THERE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE IN THAT ILA THAT WE'RE MAXIMIZING ALL THE ELIGIBLE USES, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE EXECUTE THAT ILA, BUT LIKE ONE THING, SO, UH, COUNTY SPECIFICALLY, LIKE WHEN YOU SEE THIS, WHEN A COUNTY PARTICIPATES, THEY CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CHAPTER THREE 80 BECAUSE THE THREE 80 IS A MUNICIPAL, UH, TOOL.
SO TYPICALLY WHAT YOU TRY TO DO IS WHEN YOU ALLOCATE THOSE BUCKETS, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE USING YOUR, YOUR SOURCES AND USES CORRECTLY.
SO YOU, WE WOULDN'T MUCH MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING OUR DART FUNDS TO PAY FOR ANYTHING THAT'S CHAPTER 4 52 AND HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S LEFT OVER FOR PROJECTS THAT OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T PAY FOR IT.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT OUR HOMEWORK AND EVERYTHING THAT THOSE DART FUNDS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR, WE'LL USE THEM AND THAT, BUT THE TS FUNDS CAN BE USED, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA USE THAT TO PAY BACK DEBT, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL LEFTOVER FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR ANYTHING.
UM, ONE SPECIFIC THING CERTAINLY IS O AND M.
YOU CAN'T USE ANY, UH, TUR FUNDS FOR O AND M.
YOU CAN USE IT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS THOUGH, WHICH HAS PRETTY BROAD, UH, ELIGIBILITY ONLY IN THAT AREA.
IS THAT RIGHT? UH, CORRECT, YES.
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GOT, UM, THE, I'M FOCUSED ON THE DART, UH, DEBT, UH, NET BENEFIT IS THAT FACTORED OVER 20 YEARS OR 30 YEARS? THAT'S, THAT IS 30 YEARS.AND, UM, DO WE HAVE INSIGHT, UH, WHEN WE MIGHT, UH, KNOW IF DART IS GONNA AGREE TO 20 OR 30 OR WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO? SO, UH, INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS IS THEY WANNA BRING SOMETHING TO THEIR BOARD TO THEIR COMMITTEE EARLY AUGUST AND THEN HAVE A FINAL AGREEMENT, UH, BY THE END OF AUGUST.
I BELIEVE IT'S AUGUST 28TH WAS THE DATE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT.
SO, SO BASICALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSIDERING IT AND, AND THE DATE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN WE WILL, UH, WHEN THEY'LL HAVE A DECISION OR WHEN THEY MIGHT HAVE A DECISION? CORRECT.
AND, AND ONE MORE TIME ON THAT DATE.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S AUGUST 28TH.
IS THAT WHAT YEAH, SO I THINK IT'S AUGUST 14TH FOR THE COMMITTEE.
MAYBE IT'S AUGUST 11TH AND THEN AUGUST 28TH I BELIEVE IS THE, THE FINAL DATE.
HEY WAYNE, REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO ON SLIDE 13, JUST AS A FOR MY BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND THIS AT THE VERY TOP WHERE, UM, NEXT TO THE POST OFFICE, COBALT'S GONNA BE REDEVELOPING IN THESE NUMBERS, WAS THAT FACTORED IN? IT WAS.
UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 30 YEAR TIFF HERE.
DART IS ONLY CURRENTLY DOING 10 YEARS.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY WILL EXTEND THAT UP TO MATCH OUR 30.
THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EXTENDING IT BEYOND THE 10 YEAR WOULD BE OUR HOPE THAT WE COULD DO THAT 30 YEAR IF WE 30 YEARS SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME.
UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT LIFESPANS OF ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND 30 YEARS IS WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START DOING ALL THIS ALL OVER AGAIN TO, TO FIX AND MAINTAIN WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN.
NOW 30 YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO HOLD THAT MONEY IN ONE AREA OF TOWN AND NOT LET THE ENTIRE TOWN BENEFIT FROM IT.
THE REASON WE DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS TO BENEFIT THE ENTIRE TOWN, NOT ONE SECTION OF TOWN.
THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE I'VE GOT WITH THE TIFF IS WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD MONEY IN ONE LITTLE AREA OF TOWN WHEN THE ENTIRE TOWN IS PAYING TAXES TO TRY TO GET THIS GOING.
UM, I THINK 30 YEARS IS A, IS A LONG TIME IF, IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT TAKING BONDS OUT FOR 20 YEARS.
YOU SAY THE COUNCIL CAN BE THE TIFF BOARD.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO THE PUBLIC? IF YOU HAVE A BOARD THAT REPORTS TO THEMSELVES, AND IF YOU'VE GOT THE BOARD THAT IS THE TIF BOARD, AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING THE COUNCIL IS THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO APPROVE WHAT THE TIF BOARD DIS DID, THAT JUST DOESN'T PASS THE SMELL TEST TO ME.
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY IT'S THE MOST, AND THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER QUESTION TO YOU.
I MEAN, IT'S BY FAR THE MOST COMMON WAY THAT CITIES NOT DOWN DENY IN THAT I'M JUST, I MEAN, BECAUSE REALLY IF, IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER BOARD TO KIND OF LOOK AT THINGS, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S FUNCTIONING LIKE IT IS.
LIKE YOU, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AN ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS ANYWAY.
TO YOUR POINT, IT'S TAX DOLLARS.
THAT'S JUST, THEY'RE BEING ALLOCATED HERE.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST PART OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY MOST CITIES DO IT THAT WAY.
UM, YOU LESSEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WANTS TO DISCUSS, THAT'S NO, I I IT IS BASICALLY JUST A QUESTION AND IT'S, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE WE BEING THE PROSECUTOR AND, AND THE EXECUTIONER HERE, YOU KNOW, UM, IT JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT THAT YOU HAVE A BOARD TO, TO PASS SOMETHING TO SEND TO A COUNSEL AND THEY'RE THE SAME PEOPLE.
SO, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE.
AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S ANYTHING BAD, YOU KNOW, NEFARIOUS BEING PLANNED HERE.
I'M JUST SAYING IT JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY EVERYONE GET IT DOES IT THAT WAY.
SO, UM, AND ONE THING I WOULD SAY, I THINK A LOT OF, A LOT OF CITIES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A PROJECT IDENTIFIED, SO WE ARE IT TO WAYNE'S POINT, SOMETIMES YOU'LL HAVE A, SOME CITIES WILL CREATE THESE TOURS IN A DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A PROJECT IDENTIFIED.
THEY'RE JUST HOPING THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS.
AND I, WHEN THOSE KIND OF TOUR GETS GET CREATED, YOU DO SEE THE EXTERNAL, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE SEEN THE EXTERNAL BOARDS BE CREATED MORE MM-HMM
UM, BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF, YOU HAVE THIS PROJECT PLAN, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IDENTIFIED PROJECT.
I THINK IT LEANS AS FAR AS WHAT MOST CITIES DO, LEANS MORE TO USING COUNCIL.
BUT THAT MAY BE IN A FACTOR IN, IN SOME OF THE DECISIONS.
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ARE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY USELESS, BUT TIFFS NEED A PARTNER TO MAKE IT GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN.AND THE ONLY PARTNER THAT WE HAVE THE AVAILABILITY FOR HERE, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE.
ANOTHER TAXING ENTITY IS DART.
SO IF DART COMES ON BOARD, THIS COULD HELP US.
IF, IF THEY'RE NOT SO WILLING TO GO SO LONG, THEN I, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT ONE TIFF TO BENEFIT ONLY A SMALL SECTION OF OUR VERY SMALL TOWN.
I MEAN, ALL OF OUR TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING TAXES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO IMPROVE THE ENTIRE TOWN.
SO, UH, 30 YEARS IS A LONG TIME, UNLESS WE HAVE A PARTNER FOR 30 YEARS IS ALL I'M SAYING.
AND UH, AND I WOULD JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THAT.
I, I GET YOUR POINT, UH, THAT IT BENEFITS A PARTICULAR AREA, BUT FOR ME IT'S THE RISING TIDE AND, AND WHEN THAT AREA BENEFITS THE AREAS ARE SURROUNDED, I THINK IT BECOMES A CATALYST FOR EVERYTHING AROUND THE, AROUND THAT AREA IN THE TOWN.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SPILLOVER EFFECT TO IT, EVEN MAYBE IT'S DOWN AS FAR AS INWOOD, UH, AT SOME POINT.
SO, CHRIS, I KNOW WE GOTTA GET THE DARREN, BUT JUST TO YOUR COMMENT, I, I DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE 30 YEARS TOO.
'CAUSE IT SORT OF DOES TAKE AWAY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DO HOPE THE HEART PARTICIPATES FOR 30 YEARS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I LIKE THOUGH IS A COUPLE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING OFF AT 80% SO WHEN WE GET THIS PROJECT OFF THE GROUND, THE GENERAL FUND WILL BENEFIT SOME AND THEN BY YEAR 20 WE'RE AT 50%.
SO THAT HELPED ME A LITTLE MORE GET COMFORTABLE.
AND THEN WAYNE, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, WE CAN TERMINATE IT AT ANY TIME.
SO IF WE GET TO YEAR 20 AND, AND THAT SITE'S FULLY DEVELOPED AND, AND WE FIND THE NEED FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WE CAN, WE CAN TERMINATE IT.
THAT'S WHAT GOT ME MORE, THAT, THAT'S WHAT GETS ME MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
THE FACT THAT WE CAN TERMINATE IT.
YOU'VE HIT ON THAT, BUT TO YOUR POINT ON RISING TIDE, I HAVE A, A SUPER WARM FEELING ABOUT THE STARS AND THE MAVERICKS COMING IN, AND WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
I AM HOPING THAT RISING TIDE IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE INWOOD, UH, REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND, UH, I'M EAGER TO SEE A, A SHOVEL GO IN THE GROUND BECAUSE NOTHING CERTAIN UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.
BUT THAT IS THE RISE AND TIDE THAT'S GONNA LIFT THESE SHIPS.
AND I HOPE THAT WILL BE ABLE, WE CAN PAY THIS OFF FASTER THAN THE 30 YEARS AND CANCEL IT TO PUT IT IN ANOTHER AREA FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
I, I I'M NOT, I'M NOT HATING ON THIS, I'M JUST SAYING I, I WANNA MAKE IT RIGHT AND, AND KNOW THAT WE CAN CANCEL THIS.
YEAH, NO, UH, ALL THE ABOVE FOR ME ON THAT.
UH, DARREN, ALONG WITH THE IMPACT, UH, CONVERSATION ON THE 20 VERSUS 30 YEARS, WHAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY ON GOING, UH, BEYOND THE 20 TO 30 YEARS? I'M SORRY.
SO WHAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY ONGOING 30 YEARS VERSUS 20 YEARS? SO I THINK IT GOES BACK TO INITIALLY WE, WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT IS YOU NEED A GOOD 10 YEARS FOR THE TIP TO STABILIZE AND REALLY GENERATE THAT INCREMENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A BUFFER IN THERE.
AND SO AS STEVEN MENTIONED FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BORROWING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE WE'RE, WE'RE FRONT LOADING, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THERE.
BUT THAT'S THE GENERAL IDEA OF WHY THESE TYPICALLY LAST ABOUT 30 YEARS IS TO GIVE, GIVE SOME RUNWAY FOR, UM, THE TIF TO, TO ACCUMULATE INCREMENT, AND THEN START PAYING ANY DEBT OBLIGATIONS.
I WOULD SAY FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT TOO, I KNOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, HEY, YOU, YOU'RE STARTING A PROJECT TODAY AND IT HAS 20 YEARS OF DEBT SERVICE.
WELL, HOPEFULLY IN 10 YEARS WE HAVE THE INCREMENT AND ADDISON JUNCTION'S KILLING IT, AND WE WANT TO DO AN INVESTMENT AT ADDISON CIRCLE PARK, OR WE WANT TO DO, UH, AN, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PAVERS IN DOWN DOWNTOWN.
SO YOU COULD ISSUE DEBT IN 10 YEARS THAT HAS A 20 YEAR LIFESPAN.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE LONGER TERM HORIZON.
UM, BUT I THINK ALL THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WE CAN TERMINATE IT, THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY GOING FORWARD, I THINK ADDS TO THAT, UM, REASON TO GO TO 30 YEARS.
UM, DID WE GIVE DIRECTION, UH, PREVIOUSLY ON THIS STRUCTURE? I, I THINK WE DID THE 80, 65, 50 THAT WAS OUR YES.
ALONG WITH THE 20 AND 30 YEAR CONVERSATION.
UM, KNOWING THAT WE CAN TERMINATE IT, UH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THOUGH THAT IT WOULD BE A REAL HIGH, UH, TOPIC OF INTEREST LATER ON TO TERMINATE.
IT'S, UH, I'VE NEVER SEEN REVENUE WANT TO BE TURN TERMINATED, EVEN IF IT IS TAXES.
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PEOPLE'S MEMORIES IN 20 YEARS.SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY THOUGHT ON CAPPING IT AT 20, BUT I, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE A HARD, UM, DESIRE TO PUSH IT TO 20.
SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH GOING TO 30.
SO, UH, WAYNE, THE DIRECTION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS, IS PARAGRAPH ONE THAT PROVIDE DIRECTION, UM, YOU, ARE YOU ASKING FOR A YES OR, OR IS THAT WHERE YOU COMFORTABLE GOING WITH THAT? YES.
WELL, I KNOW I AM, UH, IT SEEMS, SEEMS TO BE THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WHAT I'M HEARING, SO YEAH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
I, IT WOULD, UH, AS FAR AS THE TIMING, UM, COULD WE DO IT AFTER JULY 28TH AFTER, AFTER DART, UH, MAKES WHATEVER DECISION THEY'RE GONNA MAKE? THAT, THAT'S WAS MY GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT DART IS ON BOARD FOR? I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY COULD.
IS THERE SOME URGENCY ON THAT DATE RATHER THAN, UM, AUGUST? NOT PARTICULARLY.
UM, UNLESS, I MEAN, DAVID TALK, I'M SEEING THIS.
LOOK, PLEASE, PLEASE SHARE WITH THE MIC.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE HAD PRE I I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS RIGHT NOW.
I, I DON'T SEE A NEED TO PROLONG IT AND DELAY IT.
UH, I THINK WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE WORK WITH DART TO GET DART TO MOVE FORWARD WITH US, AND, UM, THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH IT.
ID LIKE, WE CAN'T ALWAYS HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAINTY ON THINGS.
WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN, AND THEN WE WORK HARD TO GET THE RESULTS WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO THIS IS REALLY JUST PRELIMINARY DIRECTION RIGHT NOW.
SO IF DART COMES BACK AND SAYS, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
ONCE WE COME ROUND TO THE APPROVAL, WE CANNOT APPROVE IT, THEN WELL, IT'S COMING UP NEXT WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THEN THAT'S JUST, I, I'M NOT GONNA BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT UNTIL I KNOW THE PARTNER IS GOING TO BE A PARTNER FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME.
DAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WAYNE, DIDN'T WE ALREADY GET THE COMMITMENT THAT THERE'S A 10 YEAR YES, THERE IS A 10 YEAR, WHICH IS ON THE TABLE? YES.
SO I'M COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD AND THEN WE HAVE A 10 YEAR COMMIT.
CHRIS? YEAH, I, I, I THINK THE TOUR IS A GREAT IDEA, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WE KNOW IS COMING.
UM, I THINK A 30 YEAR COMMITMENT FROM DART WILL BE A PLUS, BUT FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 30 YEARS TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TOURS.
DO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED? YES.
YEAH, I THOUGHT I SAW YOU NOD YOUR HEAD.
[c. Present and discuss the Beltway Bike Lanes existing condition, survey results received, and possible configuration options.]
FOUR C PRESENTED, DISCUSSED THE BELTWAY BIKE LANES, EXISTING CONDITION SURVEY RESULTS RECEIVED AND POSSIBLE CONFIGURATION OPTIONS.BECKY, SORRY I'M PRETTY LOUD, BUT THANKS WAYNE.
YOU SET ME UP FOR FAILURE ALREADY.
UM, SO FIRST SLIDE, JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE, UM, OVERALL PROJECT.
UH, YOU, AS YOU KNOW, THIS BEGAN BACK IN MAY OF 21, UM, WHEN COUNCIL ADOPTED THAT, UH, MASTER, UH, CITYWIDE MASTER TRAILS PLAN.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT TO CONSTRUCT THE BELTWAY PROJECT.
UM, THEY LOOKED AT FIVE CRITICAL STAGES OF THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
ULTIMATELY, IT WENT TO A CONTRACTOR WHO BID THE PROJECT, ACCEPTED THE BID, UM, AND BACK IN NOVEMBER.
THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED IN DECEMBER AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECT.
UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, PHASE TWO WAS SEPARATED OUT DUE TO THE ROAD CLOSURES AT THE LAY LOCKS POND AREA WITH THAT PROJECT GOING ON.
UM, AND THEN PUT ON HOLD PENDING THE RESIDENT FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE SURVEY, WHICH CHARLES WE'LL GO OVER.
SO OVERALL DESIGN, UM, PHASE ONE, THIS IS WHAT MIG PREPARED.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THIS SECTION IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB TO THE RIDING TRAIL.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY AND THE SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER.
UM, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB AND REDDING TRAIL.
UM, AS WE MOVE THROUGH, UH, THE OVERALL PROJECT FROM THE REDING TRAIL TO THE GREEN SP UH, GREENSCAPE AND GREEN SPACE AT ADDISON GROVE, UM, THE TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK CONTINUES.
UM, ALONG WITH THAT SIDEWALK THAT YOU SEE.
UM, THEN THE OFF ROAD, UH, SHARED USE PATH, WHICH IS GOING THROUGH THE GREEN SPACE.
UM, YOU'RE VERY AWARE THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL SETTING IN THAT AREA.
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UM, AND THEN OVERALL THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION COST TIMEFRAME.BACKGROUND, UM, THE PROJECT AS I MENTIONED, WAS COMPLETED IN DECEMBER OF 25.
UM, THE OVERALL PROJECT ITSELF, UH, COST WELL OVER 1.5 MILLION.
ABOUT $125,000 OF THAT PROJECT WAS EXPENDED ON THE BIKE LANES, UM, IN WHICH I SAID WAS COMPLETED, UM, DECEMBER OF 25.
UM, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CHARLES AND LET HIM TALK THROUGH THE SURVEY AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO TALK ABOUT SOME OPTIONS.
CHARLES MAKI, UH, DEVELOPMENT RELATIONS PROJECT MANAGER.
SO IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS CONVERSATION, WE DID PUT OUT A SURVEY TO KIND OF GAUGE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE BELTWAY AREA AND HOW THEY WERE CURRENTLY FEELING WITH THE BELTWAY BIKE LANE CONFIGURATION.
UM, THAT INCLUDED 10 YARD SIGNS THAT WE PUT UP ALONG THE BELTWAY CORRIDOR TO GET FEEDBACK AS WELL AS FLYERS AND PRINTED SURVEYS, THE SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN.
AND THAT INCLUDED POSTING ON ALL OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIAS AS WELL AS THE, UH, FRIDAY NEWSLETTER.
AND THEN THAT LASTED FROM MAY 5TH UNTIL MAY 29TH, AND WE RECEIVED MORE THAN 500 RESPONSES ON THAT SURVEY.
UH, JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH IT BRIEFLY, WE GOT FEEDBACK ON HOW OFTEN THE, UH, CORRIDOR WAS USED.
UM, OVER 60% USED IT EVERY DAY WITH LITTLE OVER 20% USING IT A FEW TIMES A WEEK AND THEN LOWER AND LOWER ABOUT ONCE A WEEK, A FEW TIMES A MONTH.
AND RARELY OR NEVER, UM, HOW DO YOU TRAVEL ALONG BELTWAY? SO THIS WAS SELECT ALL THAT APPLIES.
SO YOU DO GET DOUBLE DIPS IN HERE, WHICH OVER 90% OF PEOPLE DROVE THIS.
AND AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BIKE LANES, YOU CAN SEE UH, ABOUT 16, 17% ACTUALLY USE BIKES OUT THERE.
UH, SO WE ASKED, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE CURRENT BIKE LANE LAYOUT ALONG BELTWAY DRIVE? ABOUT OVER 70% SAID NO ON THAT ONE.
UH, WHICH FED INTO THIS QUESTION, IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE CURRENT BIKE LANE LAYOUT, WOULD ADDITIONAL SAFETY MEASURES ON THE BIKE LANES ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS? UM, AGAIN, OVER 75% SAID NO ON THAT ONE AS WELL.
UH, SHOULD IMPROVING THE BIKE LANE DESIGN ALONG BELTWAY DRIVE BE A PRIORITY FOR THE TOWN OF EDISON? ABOUT 55%.
THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, SAID NO, IT SHOULD NOT BE A PRIORITY.
UM, MEANING THEY DON'T REALLY LIKE THE DESIGN AS IT IS NOW, BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY IN INVESTING MORE MONEY TO REDO IT.
UM, WE DID HAVE A COMMENT SECTION THAT WE RECEIVED ALMOST 400 COMMENTS BACK, SO WE JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZED THAT BRIEFLY ON SOME OF THE ONES WE SAW, UH, MOST OFTEN IN THERE.
SO ON THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK SIDE IN THOSE COMMENTS WE GOT, UH, ONE THAT WAS MENTIONED VERY OFTEN WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE RIGHT TURN LANE GOING SOUTH FROM BELT BELTWAY, UH, ONTO MIDWAY, UH, CREATING THAT BITE BOX TO CROSS THE ROAD THERE AND REMOVAL OF THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE WAS A BIG DEAL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THE WESTBOUND TURN FROM SURVEYOR ONTO BELTWAY IS TWO DRASTIC AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE HIT THE DELINEATORS AS WELL AS SEEN PEOPLE DRIVE INTO THE BIKE LANE THERE, UM, AND HAVE TO REVERSE OUT AND THEN GO BACK THROUGH, UH, LEADING INTO THE CAR STARTING INTO IT.
SO POSITIVE FEEDBACK WE DID SEE IS, UH, THEY WERE HAPPY THAT THE NARROWING OF THE LANES WITH THE CREATION OF THE DOUBLE LANE BIKE LANE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE SPEEDING ALONG BELLWAY.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF MENTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, POCKET PARK THAT WAS CREATED THERE.
UH, ONE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE ON THERE AS WELL IS WE HAD A LOT OF WALKERS PROVIDE POSITIVE FEEDBACK SAYING THAT THAT, UH, DOUBLE LANE BIKE LANE CREATED MORE OF A BUFFER FOR THEM WALKING.
UH, THEY FELT SAFER WALKING ON THE SIDEWALKS OVER THERE, UH, WITH THAT KIND OF BUFFER FROM THE CARS.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SHOCK YOU.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS BEFORE YOU TODAY.
UM, OPTION ONE IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SURVEYOR AND BELTWAY INTERSECTION.
SO THIS OPTION WOULD ALLOW FOR THE BIKE LANE CONFIGURATION TO STAY AS IS.
UM, THIS WOULD BE KIND OF A FIRST STEP WITH, UH, TAKING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED.
UM, AND ADDING SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, ELIMINATING THE TWO DELINEATORS.
SO AS YOU'RE TRAVELING ON SURVEYOR AND YOU'RE MAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN TO GO ONTO BELTWAY, THOSE FIRST TWO, UH, BLACK RUBBERIZED DELINEATOR DELINEATORS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND, WE WOULD REMOVE BOTH OF THOSE AND THEN ADD THE ADDITIONAL FLEX POSTS.
SO YOU WOULD SEE THE FLEX POST IN BOTH OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
SO, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT, UM, TO GO BACK TOWARDS THE A A C OR TURNING LEFT, YOU WOULD SEE THAT DELINE OR THAT DELINEATOR, UM, AND FLEX POST STICKING UP OUT OF THE GROUND.
UM, ALSO WE WOULD PROPOSE TO ADD SOME GREEN PAINT IN THAT AREA.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, AS YOU DRIVE IN THIS AREA AND YOU MAKE THAT RIGHT HAND TURN ON SURVEYOR, WHERE WE, WHERE WE RECEIVED A LOT OF THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, UM, ABOUT THE DELINEATORS AND KIND OF THAT AWKWARD LIKE LARGER TURN THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE, IF YOU REMOVE THOSE DELINEATORS AND THEN YOU PAINT THE GROUND GREEN, UM, THEY CAN TURN INTO THAT, BUT
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ALSO IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE GREEN.'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S JUST CONCRETE.
UM, IT'S NOT PAINTED WITH ANY COLOR.
SO THESE ARE JUST SOME GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATIONS.
UM, THOSE FLEX POSTS YOU SEE, THEY AS YOU DRIVE, UM, ALL OVER TOWN, UH, ON THE HIGHWAY, UM, SOMETIMES THEY'RE USED EVEN FOR THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE UM, HOV LANES.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST OPTION.
AND, UM, STAFF PUT THIS BEFORE YOU, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP TO TRY TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED.
UM, THE SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO REMOVE ALL OF THE BIKE LANE MARKINGS FROM SURVEYOR ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE A A C.
UM, WE WOULD THEN GO IN AND ADD SHARES AND MAKE BOTH OF THOSE LANES, UH, GOING BOTH EAST AND WESTBOUND FROM SURVEYOR TO THE A A C SHEROS.
AND THEN WE WOULD CREATE A BIKE BOX, AS YOU CAN SEE KIND OF IN THAT GREEN, UM, PATTERN FROM THE ACTUAL, UM, BELTWAY AS YOU'RE TRAVELING EASTBOUND.
THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK INTO THE TWO-WAY SAC TRACK THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
THEY ALSO WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST STAY IN THE SAME LANE IF THEY'RE TRAVELING EASTBOUND.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THAT TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK DOES EXIST, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GIVE THEM A SAFE WAY TO CROSS THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
SO THIS IS THE SECOND OPTION, WHICH IT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR SER FROM SURVEYOR TO THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB.
THE THIRD OPTION, UM, IS ACTUALLY GOING FROM THE PARK.
UM, THAT IS THAT NEW BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT HAS BEEN CREATED, UM, WHERE THE LANES HAVE BEEN NARROWED AND THE, THE AREA HAS BEEN NARROWED ALL THE WAY AROUND TO ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB.
THIS WOULD REMOVE ALL OF THE BIKE LANE MARKINGS FROM THE PARK ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB.
WE WOULD RESTORE THE ROADWAY TO THE PREVIOUS CONDITION, PAINT A CENTER STRIPE, UM, IN YELLOW, AND THEN WE WOULD ADD SHEROS, UM, ALONG THAT AREA.
SO YOU WOULD JUST TRAVEL COMPLETELY FROM THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB ALL THE WAY TO BELTWAY.
UM, YOU WOULD TRAVEL WHEN YOU GOT TO THE PARK KIND OF IN THE LA GRAND AREA, YOU WOULD STAY IN THE SHERO, CONTINUE IN THE SHERO, AND EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE DEDICATED BIKE LANES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY.
UM, AND THEN THAT PARK CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, UM, KIND OF NEAR THE LA GRANDE INTERSECTION HAS A, OR, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO COME OUTSIDE THE PARK AND ONTO THE ROAD.
WE WOULD ACTUALLY CLOSE THAT OFF BECAUSE WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE FOLKS TRAVELING THROUGH THAT AREA.
HOW, HOW WOULD YOU CLOSE THAT OFF WITH A CONCRETE CURB AND REMOVING THE RAMP AND MARKINGS IN THAT AREA? DIDN'T YOU JUST CLOSE THAT OFF WITH SOME OF THESE BIG RUBBER THINGS THAT YOU GOT TO, TO SAVE MONEY? UM, THAT'S AN OPTION WE DEFINITELY COULD LOOK AT.
UM, SO OPTION THREE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO OVERALL, THOSE ARE THE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS MENTIONED.
UM, OPTION ONE WOULD TAKE ABOUT A MONTH.
WE ESTIMATE IT BETWEEN SIX AND $8,000.
UM, OPTION TWO WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BID PROCESS OF A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT.
I DO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT ANY PAVEMENT MARKING OR ANY, UM, REMOVAL OF ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE GROUND, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH TOWN WHERE YOU'VE SEEN WHERE WE'VE REMOVED MARKING.
SO YOU WILL SEE SCORING ON THE CONCRETE, SO THE CONCRETE WILL NOT LOOK THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS TODAY.
SO ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S MARKING IN ORDER TO REMOVE THAT, IT DOES REMOVE SOME OF THAT TOP SURFACE.
UM, IN ORDER TO REMOVE, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL DELINEATORS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BOLTED DOWN.
SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THOSE, UM, BY REMOVING THE BOLTS.
AND THEN WE WOULD PUT AN ADHESIVE IN THE AREAS OF WHERE THE HOLES ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CONCRETE.
UM, WE DON'T WANT ADDITIONAL AREAS FOR WATER TO GET INTO THE CONCRETE BECAUSE THEN IT JUST, UM, CREATES A AREA FOR CRACKING, UM, FOR THE FUTURE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S WORK THAT GOES INTO, UM, REMOVING THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF MAKE SURE AS YOU'RE VISUALIZING AND THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THAT AREA AND THEN APPROXIMATELY TWO TO THREE MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT.
UM, IT DOES RANGE BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES BETWEEN 160 TO 180,000.
AND THAT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE REMOVING EVERY BIT OF IT AND THEN YOU'RE PAINTING ALL OF IT BACK DOWN FROM SURVEYOR AROUND TO A A C IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE CENTER LANE, THE CENTER YELLOW STRIPE IS CURRENTLY IN BETWEEN THE AREA WHERE THE BIKE LANE IS AND THE CURB.
IT IS NOT IN BETWEEN THE TWO CURB LINES BECAUSE OF WHERE THE BIKE LANE IS.
SO THE YELLOW CENTER STRIPE EVEN HAS TO BE MOVED OVER.
SO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE REMOVED AND REPAINTED ON
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OPTION THREE.VERY SIMILAR, IT'S JUST A LONGER STRETCH IS REMOVING ALL OF THE PAVEMENT, ALL OF THE DELINEATORS, UM, CLOSING THAT CURB THAT I MENTIONED.
AND THEN OF COURSE, IN BOTH OF THOSE SCENARIOS, WE'RE ADDING THE SHARES AND THE APPROPRIATE, UH, STRIPING, UM, THAT'S ABOUT 250 TO 270,000 WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE THE EXTENT IS LONGER.
WHAT I DO WANNA TELL YOU IS, UM, OUR TOWN STAFF WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SELF PERFORM AS MUCH OF WORK AS WE CAN.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE REMOVING THE INDIVIDUAL DELINEATORS, REDOING ALL THE SIGNAGE IN THE AREA BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW IT MAY SAY BIKE LANE, IT NEEDS TO CHANGE TO SAY SHERO.
THERE MIGHT BE STOP SIGNS OR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE SIGNAGE THAT NEED TO BE REDONE.
UM, SOME OF THE REMOVAL OF THE, UM, OVERALL STRIPING IS BETTER SUITED FOR A CONTRACTOR TO DO BECAUSE THEY CAN COME IN WITH THEIR TRAFFIC CONTROL RIGHT BEHIND US.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY VERY QUICKLY TO REMOVE IT BECAUSE THEY OWN THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY CAN PUT DOWN TEMPORARY, UM, TABS IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN WHERE THEY REMOVE THE STRIPE.
AND THEN THERE'S LIKE LITTLE RUBBERIZED TEMPORARY TABS THAT ARE PUT DOWN UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY COME THROUGH AND DO THE STRIPING.
SO EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE THAT STRIPE IS GOING TO BE.
UM, AND SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
BUT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT OPTION IS CHOSEN, UM, WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS THAT THE TOWN CAN DO, UM, INTERNALLY.
AND THROUGH DOING THAT WE EXPECT THAT THE PRICE AND COST WILL BE REDUCED.
THESE ARE JUST ESTIMATES AT THIS TIME.
UM, ALSO WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR, UM, DESIGN PROFESSIONAL TO LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION, UM, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM NUMEROUS RESIDENTS AND ALSO SOME OF YOU ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF BELTWAY AND MIDWAY.
AND WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS IN THIS AREA USING OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS DASHBOARD.
THE MAJORITY OF THE TURNING MOVEMENTS AT THIS INTERSECTION ARE ACTUALLY GOING EASTBOUND ON BELTWAY AND MAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN TO HEAD SOUTH ON MIDWAY TO GO TOWARDS 6 35 AREA.
UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO IMPROVE AND OPTIMIZE THIS INTERSECTION, UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON, UM, WITH OUR, UH, CONTRACTOR, UM, WORKING TO TRY TO SELF PERFORM SOME OF THIS WORK.
WE WILL BE DOING THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA BE REMOVING SIGNAGE STRIPING AND MARKINGS TO MAKE AT THIS INTERSECTION.
CURRENTLY IT'S A LEFT HAND TURN TO GO NORTHBOUND ON MIDWAY OR A STRAIGHT AND A RIGHT.
UM, WE WILL BE MAKING A CHANGE TO THIS WHERE YOU WILL GO EITHER LEFT BOUND OR STRAIGHT THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE.
IT WILL MAKE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BIKE LANE IN THIS AREA RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION.
UM, BUT THIS IS A PLAN WE JUST RECEIVED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND NOW WE'RE WORKING TO EXECUTE, UM, WITH OUR TEAM.
SO THIS IS HAPPENING, UM, BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARY.
WE ALSO FEEL LIKE THAT THE DATA SUPPORTS, UM, THIS CAUSE.
SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING TODAY IS TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK ON THE THREE OPTIONS.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS OPTION ONE.
I KNOW THAT WAS A COUNCIL QUESTION AS TO WHY YOU RECOMMEND THAT.
UM, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, REALLY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE AT THIS TIME TO SEE IF IT'S MINIMALLY INVASIVE TO DO AND TO SEE IF THAT HELPS IMPROVE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO QUITE A BIT OF THE WORK INTERNALLY OURSELVES.
UM, IT'S LOW COST AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE VERY QUICKLY.
UM, AND WE ARE HOPING THAT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE SURVEY AND REALLY THOSE NEGATIVE, UM, KEY FEEDBACK POINTS, THIS WOULD HELP TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
AND WITH THAT WE WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
BECKY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 18? YES SIR.
UM, I'M, I'M REALLY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT, UH, WE'RE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION.
UM, HEARD A LOT OF, LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT WE NEED TO, TO GO GO THERE.
SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE'RE DOING THAT.
UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU AS IT RELATES TO, UM, ON THIS SLIDE.
UH, YOU'VE, WE'VE GOT THIS, UH, YOU CAN'T SEE AN, IT'S IN COLOR, BUT WE'VE GOT LIKE THE, THESE, UH, PAINT ON THE STREET, UH, CROSSING MIDWAY.
AND THIS IS FOR, FOR BIKE LANES THAT ARE HEADING EASTBOUND? YES, SIR.
AND SO I GET, I GET WHY THAT'S THERE.
UM, WHAT I DON'T GET IS WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE SAME THING, UM, FOR THE, THE BIKES THAT ARE HEADING WESTBOUND? UM, THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR THE BIKES THAT ARE HEADING WESTBOUND IS BECAUSE WESTBOUND ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN A SHERO.
UM, AND THEN THEY CONTINUE FROM THAT SHERO INTO THE INDIVIDUAL BIKE LANE.
SO IT'S A JUST A DIFFERING SITE CONDITION.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE GOING EASTBOUND, YOU'RE ALREADY IN A BIKE LANE, SO YOU'RE CONTINUING THAT BIKE LANE UNTIL YOU GET TO THE SHERO.
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SO IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE SITUATION.SO YOU GET YOUR OWN LITTLE, YOUR OWN LITTLE BIKE LANE AND, AND NOBODY ELSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT BIKE LANE? THAT'S CORRECT.
AS YOU'RE TRAVELING EASTBOUND AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING WESTBOUND, YOU'RE GOING FROM A SHERO TO GET ACROSS THE INTERSECTION INTO A DEDICATED BIKE LANE.
UM, AND THEN ON SLIDE, UH, 17.
UM, I, I LIKE OPTION THREE AND I WOULD ADD, UM, YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, YOU'VE GOT THIS ADDING A, A CURB TO CLOSE THE BIKE LANE LOCATED AT THE PARK.
AND, AND I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU, UM, IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT CLOSER, I JUST SEE A SCENARIO WHERE WE COULD JUST KEEP THAT AND, AND MAYBE USE, UH, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE DELINEATORS.
UM, AND, AND I THINK WE, WE WOULD, WE COULD KEEP THAT AND, AND CAUSE THAT JUST TO GO INTO A SHERO WITHOUT HAVING TO, TO REWORK, REWORK THAT ENVIRONMENT PROBABLY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY AND KEEP SOMETHING THAT'S GREAT.
UM, SO I'M, I'M FOR OPTION THREE, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA TO REMOVE THAT, THAT, UM, THAT CURB THAT, THAT BIKE, THAT BIKE ENTRANCE IS WHAT I'M GONNA CALL IT FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDING.
UM, THEN THE LAST THING IS, IS UM, IS REALLY DEDICATED FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE TAKE.
UM, WHATEVER, WHATEVER DEPARTMENT IT MIGHT BE.
I, I JUST, SO, SO WE COULD GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON PAPER AT THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB AND MAYBE OTHER BUILDINGS, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, AND THEN WE COULD DO IT DIGITALLY, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, FOR ME, I I IT HELPS TO HAVE PEOPLE'S, THEIR NAMES AND THEIR ADDRESSES.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, BUT IT ALSO LIMITS THE FIELD.
UM, IT'D BE NICE JUST TO HAVE INPUT FROM ONE, ONE INDIVIDUAL ONE TIME AND NOT ALLOW, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE INPUT ON PAPER AND DIGITAL PER DEVICE AND ALL THIS STUFF.
SO ANYTHING WE COULD KINDA, UM, MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING GOOD CLEAN INPUT ALSO TELLS ME IS THIS COMING FROM A RESIDENT? IS THIS COMING FROM SOMEBODY WHO LIVES, WHO WORKS HERE, UH, OR WHO PLAYS HERE? I MEAN, ALL OF THAT'S RELEVANT, BUT, BUT I WOULD, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO THE NA THE NAME AND ADDRESS THAT, THAT HELPS ME A LOT WHEN I'M, I'M SEEING INPUT.
WHEN YOU MENTIONED TRAFFIC MONITORING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES, IS THAT USED THROUGH THE FLOCK READER THAT WERE GETTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS? YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.
UM, WE COUNT, ACTUALLY DID A TRAFFIC COUNT, UM, REVIEW, UM, OF THE ENTIRE TOWN.
IT WAS DONE BACK A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
AND WE DEVELOPED A DASHBOARD THAT IS LIVE, UM, THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THE TYPICAL TRAFFIC COUNTS PATTERNS.
UM, SO THAT'S NOT LIVE DATA WE'RE COLLECTING FROM THE FLOCK CAMERAS RIGHT NOW THAT'S BASED ON INFORMATION THAT WAS COLLECTED.
AND YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN METRICS AND FIGURES AND PROJECT BASED ON IF THE DEMANDS CHANGE, ET CETERA.
BACK THE, IN, BACK IN 24 WHEN THAT DATA WAS COLLECTED AGAIN AND THEN EVALUATED IN 25 THE RIGHT TURN LANE MOVEMENT.
I MEAN, I CAN SHOW YOU HOW TO USE THE DASHBOARD, BUT IT, UM, DEFINITELY SHOWED THAT EVERYBODY WAS GOING RIGHT.
SO, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE REASON WHY THE DESIGN WAS PUT IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THE REASON THAT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S BEST TO MAKE THIS MODIFICATION BECAUSE AFTER RECEIVING FEEDBACK AND GOING BACK AND REVIEWING IT, UM, WE REALIZED THAT YES, THE RIGHT TURN MOVEMENT IS THE, THE MAJOR MOVEMENT OF THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WITHIN THAT DATA THAT WE COLLECTING OR JUST REVIEWING, NOT ONLY COLLECTING IT, WE'RE REALLY REVIEWING IT.
DO WE SEE CYCLISTS IN THAT DATA AT ALL OR IS IT JUST STRICTLY VE VEHICULAR THIS, THIS ONE WAS STRICTLY VEHICULAR.
IS THERE A WAY OF GAUGING OR MONITORING BICYCLE? UM, NOT CURRENTLY WITH THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING SPECIFIC EITHER WALKER OR, UH, BICYCLE DATA.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A, A, A CYCLIST COUNT OR WE SEEING A HUNDRED CYCLISTS A WEEK OR A MONTH OR A DAY.
JUST TRYING, WANNA SEE IF WE'RE GAUGING UP ON CYCLIST OR FLAT OR DOWN.
UM, WE HAVE NOT COLLECTED THAT DATA.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE COLLECTED, UM, WITH A TRAFFIC COUNT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT.
THE, THE TRAFFIC COUNT DASHBOARD IS SPECIFICALLY, UH, RELATED TO VEHICULAR MOVEMENT AND NOT WALKER OR BICYCLE.
AND THEN JUST MY, MY FEEDBACK IN LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED CONDITION ON SLIDE 18 TO MARLIN'S POINT.
YEAH, LOVE THE FACT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THE RIGHT TURN LANE BACK.
LOVE THE FACT YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE SIGNAGE BACK UP SO PEOPLE KNOW THEY CAN NOW SWIFTLY MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN.
'CAUSE I KNOW THE PEOPLE AT COBALT HOMES, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE EXCITED TO HEAR THAT NEWS FOR THEIR RESIDENTS THAT ARE MOVING IN THERE.
UM, THE, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE EAST AND WESTBOUND LANES ON NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND SIDES OF BELTWAY TO ME IS A LITTLE OVERKILL WHEN WE DON'T HAVE
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HUNDREDS OF CYCLISTS USING THESE ROUTES.COULD WE JUST MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT INSTEAD OF OPTION THREE? I LIKE OPTION ONE FOR COST PURPOSES AND PRACTICALITY, BUT CAN'T WE JUST HAVE A EAST WEST CYCLE LANE REGARDLESS OF FLOW THAT'S ONLY ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE OF BELTWAY FROM MIDWAY, SORRY, CROSSING OVER MIDWAY FROM BI BELTLINE WHERE IT CONNECTS PAST CAT TATTOO AND ALL THAT AREA, ALL THE WAY PAST TO MARSH.
CAN'T WE JUST USE A NORTHBOUND APPROACH INSTEAD OF NORTH AND SOUTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET? UM, IF IT WAS A TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK AND 10 FEET WIDE YES SIR.
BUT IF IT'S A BIKE LANE AS IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN OR A SHERO, UH, BIKE, BICYCLES HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME TRAFFIC LAWS AS A VEHICULAR MOVEMENT.
SO I THINK ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES, DON'T YOU HAVE EAST AND WESTBOUND AT AT SURVEYOR? DON'T YOU HAVE THE UM, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTUAL TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK THAT'S 10 FEET WIDE.
THESE BIKE LANES ARE ONLY ABOUT FIVE FEET WIDE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM TO CARRY THAT CONSISTENCY FROM MARSH ALL THE WAY OVER TO BELTLINE, NOT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
SO FOR PRACTICALLY SOMETHING WE COULD EVALUATE EXACTLY.
I JUST WANT IT TO BE EVALUATED.
AND THEN MY OPTION IS FOR OPTION ONE, NOT OPTION THREE TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
YOU'RE TAKING A HEAD COUNT OR YES, SIR.
AND THEN SO YOU, I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION WITH THE TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK.
SO BECKY, THANK YOU ALL FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
MY ONE QUESTION IS, WHEN I WENT TO THE, UM, TO THE POOL OPENING AT THE ATHLETIC CLUB, I HEARD FROM A GROUP OF LADIES, I THINK THEY CALLED THEMSELVES THE SMALL DOGS LADY CLUB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY HAD A LOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BIKE, THE BIKE LANES.
UM, THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT OPTION ONE, I DO LIKE OPTION ONE BECAUSE IT IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT TONE DEAF TO THE 70% PERCENT NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED.
UM, SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAYBE CONSIDER LIKE A HYBRID.
I LIKE WHAT, WHAT, UH, DAN SAID, UM, THE, THE RIGHT LANE.
YES, PLEASE RESTORE THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS MOST OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM THEM.
UM, IN ADDITION, THEY SAID THAT THERE ARE BIKERS THAT COME THROUGH THERE, BUT IT'S SO MANY OF THEM, THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID.
I HADN'T SEEN THIS, BUT, UM, THERE IS SO MANY OF 'EM, THEY USE THE ACTUAL CAR LANES INSTEAD OF THE BIKE LANES BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SOME OF 'EM, I GUESS ON THE WEEKENDS THEY COME THROUGH THERE AND THEY DON'T USE THE BIKE LANES AT ALL.
AND THEN THEY SAID A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE THEIR BIKES, UH, THROUGH THE PARKS, WHICH I'M A BIKE RIDE, I RIDE THROUGH THE PARK ALL THE TIME.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S JUST SOME THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
BUT I DO LIKE OPTION ONE WITH A HYBRID KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, SWAG WITH IT WITH IS RESTORING THE RIGHT BIKE LANE.
SO I MEAN THE, THE UH RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO THANK YOU BECKY FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO JUST TO START OFF, THIS IS 1,000,005 PROJECT AND $125,000, WHICH ARE THE BIKE LANES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HEARS THAT AGAIN BECAUSE, UH, I LOCKED ON A, I KNOCKED ON A LOT OF DOORS IN APRIL, MARCH AND APRIL AND, UM, I HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SPENT 1,000,005 ON PAINT TO DO SOME BIKE LANES THAT NO ONE USES.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU SPELLING IT OUT.
WE GOT A FANTASTIC PARK THAT EVERYONE LOVES.
THE LIGHTING IT, THAT TURNED OUT GREAT.
UM, I WAS REALLY HAPPY FOR US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION THE BEGINNING ABOUT, ABOUT THE BIKE LANES.
'CAUSE I REALLY DO THINK THAT CONNECTIVITY MATTERS FOR OUR TOWN.
UH, AND I THINK OUR GOAL AS A COUNCIL SHOULD, SHOULD BE TO BECOME THE MOST CONNECTED CITY IN THE REGION FOR SO MANY REASONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S RAIL, BUS, WALKING TRAILS, UM, USING ORBIT.
I FEEL LIKE THE MORE CONNECTED WE ARE, THE THE BETTER WE ARE.
I THINK IT ATTRACTS PEOPLE THAT WANNA LIVE HERE.
I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE WE GET HERE, THE MORE BUSINESSES WE WILL ATTRACT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE EDUCATED WORKFORCE AND VICE VERSA.
THE MORE COMPANIES WE GET HERE BECAUSE OF THE CONNECTIVITY TO BELTLINE, I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE WILL LIVE HERE.
AND I THINK IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST THAT WE FIGURE THIS OUT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IT'S REALLY CONFUSING, UH, TO, TO, TO DAN'S POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT EAST AND WEST AND I DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY AND I'M NOT SURE I STILL UNDERSTAND IF I WAS RIDING A BIKE WHERE I SHOULD BE.
UM, I I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING THE SAME THING THAT DAN WAS SAYING WAS, CAN'T WE JUST PUSH THE BIKE LANES TO ONE SIDE OF BELTWAY, UM, TO, TO FREE UP A LITTLE SPACE? AND I THINK WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS ALLOW US TO HAVE WHAT WE HAD BEFORE AT THE INTERSECTION OF BELTWAY AND MIDWAY WE'D, WE'D HAVE A DEDICATED RIGHT HAND TURNING LANE, A LANE TO GO STRAIGHT AND
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A LANE TO GO.UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE COULD SOMEHOW FIT.
I I'M GUESSING THERE'S CERTAIN REGULATIONS.
YOU SAID 10 FOOT FOR, UM, TWO WAY.
I, I'D LOVE TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK.
I DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF 'EM.
I THINK SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS YOU'RE MAKING IN, UM, OPTION ONE ADJUST A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD.
'CAUSE I HAVE TALKED TO THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE MADE THAT RED HAND TURN OFF OF SURVEYOR AND HIT AND HIT THE, WHAT ARE WE CALLING THEM? THE DELINEATORS.
UM, SO I THINK JUST PUSHING IT BACK A LITTLE BIT WILL HELP.
UM, AND THE OTHER COMPLAINT THAT I HEARD A LOT WAS, UM, TAKING AWAY THEIR RIGHT HAND TURN.
SO I'D LIKE TO TRY OPTION ONE.
I'M, I'VE BEEN PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS I'M SEEING THAT ARE USING THEM NOW.
I THINK THE LONGER WE HAVE THEM, THE MORE USAGE THEY'LL GET.
UM, SO, UM, I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN MAYBE PUSH EVERYTHING TO ONE SIDE AND I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE.
UM, I THINK WE CAN GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT AND, AND CALL IT ILL-ADVISED, UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY, I THINK WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS AND I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC HAD MUCH INPUT AT ALL ON THIS WITH THE PERSON THAT WAS RUNNING THIS PROJECT.
UH, MY DESIRE IS TO TAKE THIS STREET BACK TO AS CLOSE TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION AS IT WAS, AND I'D LIKE TO PRO PROPOSE AN OPTION FOUR.
WHY CAN'T WE JUST MOVE THAT, THAT LANE STRIPE BACK TO THE MIDDLE AND LEAVE THE PAINT AND ALL WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW AND NOT GO TO THE HASSLE OF, OF PULLING THAT UP, PUT THE LANE OVER AND, AND USE THE BIKE LANES AS A WARNING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A BIKE IN THAT LANE.
WHY DO WE, IT IT, IT ALMOST APPALLS ME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 125,000 TO PUT THE BIKE LANES IN AND IT'S GONNA COST US 270 TO TAKE 'EM OUT.
THAT DOES, THAT MATH DOESN'T JIVE WITH ME ON THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF NEGATIVES I COULD SAY ABOUT THIS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD A POSITIVE ABOUT THIS.
I WANT THE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ROAD BACK TO, TO AS CLOSE AS WE COULD GET IT TO WHERE IT WAS LEAST THE, THE LEAST EXPENSIVE WAY.
AND I THINK JUST MOVING THAT STRIPE OVER AND LEAVING THE PAINT WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW AND LETTING IT, LET, LET IT GO.
UH, I DO UNDERS I HAVE HEARD FROM, UH, PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT NARROWING AT LA GRANDE AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE CURB CAME OUT HAS SLOWED TRAFFIC DOWN THERE.
AND IF THAT'S A GOOD THING, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT TEARING THAT UP TO MOVE IT BACK.
UM, BUT I, AS I MENTIONED IN MY COMMENT TO YOU EARLIER WITH THE, WITH THE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD GO TO THE TROUBLE OF AN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT TO BUILD A CURB AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE BIG DELINEATORS THERE ANYWAY, THAT WOULD SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE OF BEING ABLE TO PUT THAT IN, UM, TO THE CONFUSION POINT, I RODE MY BICYCLE OVER THERE TO LOOK AT THESE BIKE LANES AND IT IS CONFUSION.
YOU GOT TWO HERE, THEN YOU COME OVER HERE AND YOU GOT ONE ON BOTH SIDES.
YOU GO ACROSS MIDWAY, YOU GOT ONE YOU GET ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE APPARATUS, UH, ACCESSIBILITY TO AREAS AND, AND ALL.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A, A FIRE APPARATUS COMING UP SURVEYOR AND MAKING THAT RIGHT HAND TURN ON BELTWAY.
I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY THEY CAN MAKE THAT TURN WITHOUT RUNNING OVER ONE OF THOSE DELINEATORS THERE OR SWINGING WAY OUT INTO THE TRAFFIC OVER THERE.
SO I THINK IT WAS, ILL-ADVISED FROM THE BEGINNING, I'M IN THE, THE MODE OF, I WOULD LIKE IT ALL GONE.
ASAP AS INEXPENSIVELY AS POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T WANT, I, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYTHING BEHIND THAT.
SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE ABLE TO COME BACK SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND SAY, WELL, LET'S DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY OF THE THREE OPTIONS.
I WOULD NUMBER THREE, IF I HAVE TO PICK ONE OF THESE, I LIKE FOUR, JUST MOVING THE STRIPE OVER AND LEAVING, PULLING UP THE, THE HIDEOUS RUBBER STOPPERS AND LEAVING THE GREEN PAINT IN THE ROAD.
IF I HAD TO PICK ANY, YOU THOSE.
OKAY, SO CHRIS, YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? YES.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT YOU'RE ALREADY ADDRESSING THE, UH, RIGHT, UH, RIGHT HAND TURN ON BELTWAY TO MIDWAY.
I HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
UM, IT, IT DOES CONCERN ME ABOUT THE, THE SURVEY TO WHERE THERE'S NO, UH, CONTROL.
UH, YOU CAN HAVE ANYBODY FROM ANYWHERE FILLING OUT THE SURVEY ON THAT ROAD.
IT WASN'T CONTROLLED TO JUST ADDISON RESIDENCE.
THAT ALL THAT BOTHERS ME THAT THE DATA IS NOT CLEAN OR COULD NOT BE AS CLEAN, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ENOUGH ACCURACY, 80% ACCURATE.
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THE CLO COST CLARIFICATION, I HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT AL ALSO KNOCKING ON DOORS, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT WE'VE CLARIFIED.IT WAS NOT A MILLION AND A HALF TO PUT IN THE BIKE LANE SAYS, UH, 125,000.
I THINK THAT'S THE COMMON SENSE COLUMN.
UM, TO, UH, TAKE OUT THOSE COUPLE OF DELINEATORS PUT UP THE, UH, THE FLEX, UH, FLEX THING PUTS MORE PAINT ON THE GROUND AND, UM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR AT ALL OF SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TAKE IT ALL BACK UP.
SO I, I DO LIKE THE TRAFFIC CALMING ASPECT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST BENEFIT FOR ME BY FAR.
SO OPTION ONE, THANK YOU DARREN.
AND, UH, JUST MY VERY BRIEF COMMENTS, UH, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION ONE ALSO.
UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GREAT SITUATION.
I, I AGREE, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO, UH, TO UNDO SOMETHING.
UH, I'M MOST EXCITED ABOUT THAT, TO GET THAT RIGHT RIGHT HAND TURN LANE THAT, UH, BACK, UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE MOST, THAT'S THE COMMENT I'VE HEARD MORE THAN ANYTHING.
I MEAN, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE, THE DELINEATORS AND, AND OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT'S, UH, EVERY, EVERYBODY IS AFFECTED BY THAT.
AND BY MY COUNT WE HAVE FIVE COUNCIL THAT ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION ONE.
DO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED ON THAT? YES.
CAN I MAKE A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS? I'M SORRY.
HOPEFULLY WE NEED TO MOVE ALONG.
SO, SO BECKY, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE INTERSECTION? ARE YOU GONNA, BECAUSE IT GETS REALLY WONKY AS YOU'RE HEADING, UH, WHAT IS THAT NORTH SIDE AS YOU'RE HEADING EAST MM-HMM
AND YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION, THERE'S THAT, THERE'S THAT LITTLE SECTION OF BIKE TRAIL THAT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE WILL EVER USE.
I FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD BE COMING EAST, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BELTWAY AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GO LEFT OR RIGHT, THEN THEY CONNECT TO THE 10 FOOT HIKE BIKE TRAIL.
SO I REALLY HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER LOOKING INTO THAT AND MAYBE JUST SCRAPPING THAT COMPLETELY AND JUST PUSHING EVERYONE TO THE TRAIL THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BELTWAY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID YOU CAN'T DO THOUGH, BECAUSE OF THE, THE WIDTH? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
SO THE ONLY REASON WHY WE CAN'T MAKE THE MODIFICATION THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING WITHOUT COMPLETELY REMOVING ALL OF THE BIKE LANE AND RETRIP IS BECAUSE THE BIKE LANE ON THE NORTH IS ONLY ABOUT FIVE FEET WIDE, WHICH ONLY ALLOWS FOR ONE TRAVEL MOVEMENT IN THE WEST DIRECTION.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE PAIN OUT, MAKE IT 10 FEET WIDE SO THAT THEN YOU COULD REMOVE THE BIKE LANE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
YOU COULDN'T JUST PUSH EVERYTHING AT THE INTERSECTION DOWN, GET, GET RID OF THAT, AND THEN PUSH EVERYTHING DOWN TO MAKE ROOM.
AND YOU'D HAVE TO WIDEN THE BIKE LANE.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE A BIKE LANE THAT'S TWO WAY EAST AND WEST WITHOUT IT BEING 10 FEET WIDE.
WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING.
IF YOU COULD JUST, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE IF IT'S AN OPTION.
I DO THINK THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT, BUT, UM, I WISH IT WAS AS SIMPLE AS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT IS WE HAVE GOTTA FIGURE THIS OUT.
I, THERE THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CREATE HIKE BIKE PAST TO, TO INTRODUCE THIS TYPE OF CONNECTIVITY.
I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ON QUORUM, WE SORT OF COMPROMISE AND WE DID, WE DID 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS, WHICH I KNOW WILL ACCOMMODATE WALKERS AND BIKERS.
WE'VE GOTTA FIND SOMETHING THAT'LL WORK THAT EVERYONE WILL ENJOY.
BUT YOUR NEW PARK HAS A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK.
YOU COULD TAKE THE BIKE LANES OFF OF THE ROAD AND HAVE IT ON THE SIDEWALK.
IT, IT DOESN'T GO THE LENGTH OF BELTWAY THOUGH.
THERE'S ONLY SMALL, SMALL, IT COMES ALL THE WAY UP TO LA GRANDE THERE.
WELL, WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERTS TOO ON THE DESIGN SIDE.
ALRIGHT, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? SECOND? ALRIGHT, ITEM FOUR
[d. Present and discuss an update on the Cotton Belt Trail project. Sponsored by: Deputy Mayor Pro-Tempore Darren Gardner and Council Member Marlin Willesen.]
D, PRESENTED, DISCUSS AN UPDATE ON THE COTTON BELT TRAIL PROJECT SPONSORED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIMM DARREN GARDNER AND COUNCIL MEMBER MARLON WILLISON.MARLON, DID YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME OPENING COMMENTS ON THAT? YEAH, YEAH.
UM, YEAH, I CO-SPONSORED THIS AND, AND UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THIS COTTON BELT TRAIL IS, IS KINDA LIKE THE DOOR, UH, DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY IS FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
UM, AND I, I THINK IT JUST ACTIVATES ALL OF OUR TRAILS IN A, IN A BIGGER, GREATER WAY.
UM, ALSO, UM, I'VE BEEN GOING UP AND DOWN THIS TRACK LOOKING, TAKING A LOOK AT IT, WATCHING IT, WATCHING IT DEVELOP.
AND I'VE SHARED, I'VE SHARED SOME CONCERNS WITH YOU ABOUT THE, UH, THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER MIDWAY.
UM, AND, AND IT'S NOT IN THE SLIDES, BUT, UM, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT THE PEAK OF IT IS, IT APPEARS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE, UM, WEST OF MIDWAY.
UM, AND THAT, THAT TO ME SEEMS ODD.
BUT THE OTHER BIG THING IS WE'VE GOT TWO MAJOR ICONIC BRIDGES.
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A, WE'VE GOT A DART RAIL BRIDGE AND THEN OUR WHEELER BRIDGE.AND SO I'M JUST KIND OF CONCERNED WITH THE, WITH THE LOOK O OF OF WHERE, WHERE THIS PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND WHERE IT, WHERE IT'S GOING AND HOW IT'S AFFECTING THIS, THIS ICONIC LOOK THAT WE'VE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY AND TIME INTO.
SO, UM, AND I, I ASKED ABOUT THE POWER POLES, BUT I, I THINK YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, DART HAS PAID SOMEBODY'S PAID TO UNDERGROUND, UH, MAYBE A HUNDRED YARDS ROUGHLY OF, OF POWER POLES.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
SO I'M, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT DARREN, DARREN WAS THE CO-SPONSOR.
DARREN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? SO THIS IS GONE THROUGH ADDISON AND THERE'S NOT, UH, A LOT OF, UH, UH, CHECKPOINTS OR, UM, UPDATES, UH, ON THE PROJECT.
IT'S, IT'S VERY VISIBLE GOING ACROSS, UH, MIDWAY THERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, MARLON POINTED OUT IS, IS THE PEAK IS IS OFF CENTER OF THE PEAK OF THE OTHER BRIDGES.
UM, JUST, UH, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE AN UPDATE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE CAN CHANGE, BUT IF WE CAN CHANGE ANYTHING, IF WE THINK WE MIGHT WANNA CHANGE SOMETHING, IT'S UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, GOOD TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE, ON THE PROGRESS OF THAT.
SO I WAS JUST MO IT WAS MOSTLY MARLON, UH, DRIVING THAT AND I WAS, I HAD SOME JUST A SECONDARY CONCERNS.
ALRIGHT, SO, BUT DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS THAT YOU WANNA DO, BECKY OR I I, I HAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION I BELIEVE ON THIS.
ALRIGHT, SO AS YOU'RE AWARE OF DEPUTY MAYOR PROTE, UM, DARREN GARDNER AND COUNCIL MEMBER MARLON WILLSON ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON THE COTTON BELT TRAIL.
UM, AS A BACKGROUND, THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY GOES ALL THE WAY FROM FORT WORTH TO PLANO.
UM, IT'S A VERY LARGE, UH, TRAIL SYSTEM AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE THE FIRST AREA THAT IS COMPLETED.
UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE COTTON BELT TRAIL IS AND ALL THE PARTNERS THAT ARE A PART OF THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING COG IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN, UH, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY DALLAS COUNTY AND DART ALONG WITH ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES FROM FORT WORTH THROUGH PLANO.
UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THE RECAP.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE.
UM, THERE'S SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THIS SLIDE.
THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR, UH, SLIDE THAT WAS GIVEN BACK ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, THERE ARE THREE PHASES TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THE ADDISON MATCH IS A PART OF THE PHASE TWO, WHICH IS, UM, FROM SURVEYOR TO THE CITY LIMITS.
UM, THE MIDWAY BRIDGE SECTION IS ABOUT 12 MILLION TOTAL.
UM, AND THEN THE PORTION FROM MARSH LANE TO SURVEYOR IS ABOUT 3 MILLION.
THEY'RE ALL IN DIFFERENT PHASES AND I'M GONNA GO INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT GREATER DETAIL.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS SLIDE.
UM, AS A RECAP, OVERALL TRAIL ALIGNMENT.
YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE, THIS WAS THE BEFORE PICTURES, UM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT STARTING AT THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND GOING, UM, THROUGH, UH, THE ENTIRE AREA AS YOU TRAVEL WESTBOUND ONTO MCINTYRE PLACE, CROSSING CORN.
UM, THEN CONTINUING ONTO, UH, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SILVER LINE, UM, TO ADDISON ROAD, UM, AT ADDISON ROAD.
THEN IT TRAVELS DUE SOUTH, UM, ONTO THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.
UM, FROM THERE IT WILL THEN TRAVEL AS YOU CROSS ADDISON ROAD, GO BACK TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.
UM, I HEARD YOU, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE TREES IN THIS AREA AND SOME OF THE CONCRETE PATH AND HOW IT HAS ALREADY KIND OF THAT SECURENESS, UM, AND, AND WINDY TRAIL.
UM, WE ARE WAITING ON IT UPDATED, DESIGNED FROM THE ACTUAL DESIGNER OF THIS AREA.
UM, IT WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO BE A TRAIL BECAUSE IT'S ONLY SIX FEET WIDE AND IT HAS TO BE 10 FEET WIDE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE ASKED THEM AND JUAN, UM, GUTIERREZ, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR ALONG WITH SEVERAL, UM, INDIVIDUALS FROM THE PARKS TEAM HAVE WALKED THIS AREA WITH THE DESIGNER AND WE ARE WAITING ON THOSE PLANS, UM, TO SHOW THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROADWAY RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CURB AND MAKE IT HAVE A MORE WINDY FILL IN THIS AREA IN AND OUT THE TREES.
UM, SO AS SOON AS I HAVE THAT DESIGN, UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL GET A COPY OF THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY AT THIS TIME.
UM, AS YOU CAN TELL, THEN IT TRAVELS ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, OF, OR THE SOUTH SIDE, I'M SORRY, OF THE SILVER LINE.
UM, CROSSES SURVEYOR, UM, CONTINUES FROM SURVEYOR ALL THE WAY TO MARSH LANE.
UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT STATUS.
SO YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT THERE'S A NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT ONCE A MONTH.
THE MOST CURRENT NEWSLETTER IS THE APRIL.
UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERALL, UH, PICTURE FROM FORT WORTH ALL THE WAY TO PLANO.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT SHOW EXISTING, WHICH IS THE YELLOW, UM, AROUND THE GREEN LINE.
UM, THE PINK AROUND THE GREEN LINE SHOWS SECTIONS THAT ARE FUNDED.
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AND THEN THE RED WITH THE.SHOW SECTIONS THAT ARE PLANNED.I ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU COULD SEE KIND OF MORE OF OUR AREA SPECIFICALLY.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF THIS WORK THAT'S ALREADY COMPLETED IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN OF COURSE THAT SECTION FROM MARSHALING TO SURVEYOR THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO START, UM, UNTIL, UH, 2027, WHICH IS THAT PHASE THREE.
UM, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE UPDATE THAT ALSO GOES OUT, WHICH IS A MAY 26 UPDATE SHOWS DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT ARE COMPLETE.
UM, SO THE TRAIL IS COMPLETE FROM DNT ALL THE WAY TO, UH, QUORUM, UM, UH, I'M SORRY, ALL THE WAY TO ADDISON ROAD.
UM, THEN AT ADDISON ROAD, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE WAITING ON THAT UPDATED DESIGN.
UM, THERE IS A SECTION THAT'S COMPLETED RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, AND THEN THAT PHASE THREE, WHICH IS THAT BRIDGE SECTION, WE'VE BEEN ACCEPTING DELIVERIES OF BRIDGE BEAMS AND HAVING ROADWAY SHUT DOWNS, UM, THROUGHOUT THAT AREA AS THAT WORKS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL INTERSECTION.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY UPDATE MONTHLY AND SEND TO US.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE INTERSECTION, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS A START TIME AND A FINISH TIMEFRAME AND THEN THE PERCENT COMPLETE BASED ON, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY OF EVERY ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
UM, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE ABUTTING AREAS.
I KNOW IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US.
HOW ARE FOLKS GONNA GET TO NULL TRAIL AND THEN ONTO THE WHITE ROCK, UH, WHITE ROCK CREEK BRIDGE AREA.
UM, AND SO BASICALLY, UH, STAFF HAS COORDINATED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AT THE SOUTHBOUND LANES OF D AND T.
THAT'LL BE THE AREA OF WHICH OUR TRAIL ACTUALLY STARTS.
UM, THERE ARE GONNA BE MANNING THAT SIGNAL THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
THIS IS SOMEWHERE WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO IN THE FUTURE PUT A WAVE FINDING SO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN ADDISON AS SOON AS YOU GET ONTO THE TRAIL.
UM, BUT THIS IS AN OVERALL KIND OF SCHEDULE OF THAT AREA.
SOUTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD, NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD, UM, AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND COORDINATING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS ON THE, UM, IN TRAIL, UH, AND SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT THERE AT THAT CORNER.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AS YOU TRAVEL TO WHITE ROCK CREEK, UM, THE CITY OF CARROLLTON.
UM, THIS SECTION, ACCORDING TO COG, I WOR I SPOKE DIRECTLY WITH THE INDIVIDUAL AT COG WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.
UM, HE MENTIONED TO ME THE MARSHAL LANE TO KELLY, UH, BOULEVARD SECTION IN CARROLLTON IS NOT FUNDED.
UM, IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, UTILITY IMPROVEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN TERRAIN ISSUES FOR ABOUT 1.4 UH, MILES OF THAT OVERALL TRAIL.
THEY EXPECT, EXPECT THAT TO EXCEED OVER $20 MILLION.
UM, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE UNTIL THEY HAVE FUNDING.
SO THEY WILL BE GOING THROUGH GRANT FUNDING AND, AND LOOKING AT OTHER FUNDING.
IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP AT RTC AS THEY WORK THROUGH THE PROJECT, BUT CURRENTLY THE CARROLLTON, UH, SECTION, WHICH WOULD BE THE SECTION TO OUR WEST THAT WE WOULD CONNECT TO IS NOT FUNDED.
UM, THIS IS AN OVERALL STATUS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN, IN, UH, ADDISON.
SO THE MIDWAY BRIDGE BRIDGE SECTION, YOU'RE ALL VERY AWARE, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
THE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN IN JANUARY.
UM, THE BRIDGE SPANS ON THE WEST SIDE OF MIDWAY, INCLUDING THE LANDINGS ARE IN PROGRESS.
UM, I'LL ADDRESS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON'S QUESTION AT THIS TIME.
UM, THE REASON WHY THE BRIDGE SPAN IS A LITTLE BIT OFFSET FROM WHERE THE OTHER TWO BRIDGES ARE.
NUMBER ONE, IT'S GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE TWO BRIDGES, BUT TWO, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THE TRAIL, UM, AS YOU START TO ELEVATE, THERE'S A CERTAIN PITCH THAT HAS TO BE MADE.
SO AS YOU GO FROM ONE END OF THE TRAIL TO THE OTHER END OF THE TRAIL, THEY HAD TO OFFSET IN ORDER TO GET THE ELEVATION AT SUCH WHERE PEOPLE COULD EITHER WALK OR BIKE TO GET UP TO THAT SECTION.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY CENTERED.
UM, SO IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT A PERSON CAN ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY DO.
UM, IN ORDER TO FLATTEN THAT OUT AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SHORTER, IT WOULD TAKE MORE LAND AND THEN IT ALSO MAKES THE, THE BRIDGE, UM, BE, I GUESS, UH, IT WOULD NOT BE AS HIGH.
SO IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU CAN GO FROM ONE POINT TO THE OTHER POINT, THEY HAD TO SHIFT THE SPAN JUST SLIGHTLY.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO OTHER BRIDGES, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AS MUCH AS WHAT I THINK YOU THINK MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE REASON AND IT'S A PART OF SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, BEEN GONE THROUGH AS THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, AND SO FAR AS THE OVERALL UTILITY CONFLICTS, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE POLES THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED.
THERE IS A SMALL SECTION THAT WAS UNDERGROUND IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND SO THEY ARE WORKING TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ALL HAPPENING BETWEEN ENCORE AND THE DART AND COG REPRESENTATIVES AS A PART OF THE DESIGN.
PHASE TWO SURVEYOR TO DNT IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
IT WAS AMAZING TO BE ABLE TO SEND PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT A TON OF PEOPLE END UP AT THE INTERSECTION OF ADDISON AND ARAPAHO AND THAT'S HAPPENED TO BE WHERE JUAN AND I BOTH WERE
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STAGED AND WE WERE ABLE TO SEND THEM DOWN THE TRAIL.SO WE WOULD TELL 'EM, GO TO THIS POINT AND WALK THE TRAIL.
I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THEY HELPED US TO ALLOW THIS TO BE READY.
UM, ABBY WORKED FANTASTIC TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS SIGNAGE AND IT WAS A GREAT COLLABORATION BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD WALK THE TRAIL RIGHT TO QUORUM AND THEN GET RIGHT IN LINE.
SO IT WAS A FANTASTIC, UM, THING THAT HAPPENED.
UM, I WILL GIVE CREDIT TO PHILIP WILLIS AND OUR TEAM BECAUSE HE WORKED VERY HEAVILY AND TOLD THEM YOU HAVE TO BE DONE BY JULY 3RD.
UM, SO THE RFPS AT QUO AND SPECTRUM ARE CONSTRUCTED.
STRIPING WAS IN PROGRESS AT THE TIME.
UM, THE FLASHING STOP SIGNS ON ADDISON ROAD ARE ACTIVE, ALL THE SIGNAGES INSTALLED, WE'LL GO THROUGH A PUNCH LIST, UM, AND REVIEW THAT.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PUNCH LIST, WE'LL FIND THINGS THAT MAYBE NEED TO BE IMPROVED, WE'LL WALK THE PROJECT.
THAT'S REALLY WHY IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETE.
AND THEN I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT SECTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, REVISE TO IMPROVE ALONG, UH, ARAPAHOE.
AND THEN PHASE THREE IS THAT SECTION FROM MARSHALING TO SURVEYOR.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
THERE'S TWO RIGHT OF WAY PARCELS TO BE ACQUIRED.
THE TOWN HAS THE FUNDING FOR THOSE RIGHT OF AWAY PARCELS AND IT'S GOING THROUGH THE STANDARD, UM, RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION PROCESS.
I MEAN, AT THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE TWO PARCELS.
SO THESE ARE SOME, UM, PICTURES AND I'M GONNA TRAVEL FROM, UM, DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY WEST.
SO THIS IS AT THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.
UM, THIS RAMP WAS REPORTED UH, LAST WEEK, UM, BECAUSE IT DID NOT MEET A DA REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS THE AREA WHERE YOU'LL BEGIN TO BE IN ADDISON.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE THE ACTUAL SIGNALS, UM, WILL BE PUT IN THIS AREA.
WE'VE MET, LIKE I MENTIONED, WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS OUT HERE AND COORDINATED WITH THEM.
UM, THIS IS SPECTRUM DRIVE, UM, AS YOU CAN TELL.
UM, OVERALL, UH, THE UM, TRAIL, YOU CAN WALK ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS AREA.
UM, THIS IS THE MCINTYRE PLACE ON STREET TRAIL.
UM, THIS ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING THAT THEY COMPLETED.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY EVEN PUTTING DOWN, UM, THE DELINEATOR.
THEY'RE MORE PERMANENT, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE TRAIL PATH THAT'S ON STREET.
UM, EVEN ON THURSDAY WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE PUTTING, UM, ALL OF OUR BARRIERS UP, THEY WERE FINISHING THE PROJECT.
UM, AND IT IS WIDE ENOUGH FOR A FIRETRUCK IN THIS AREA TO TRAVERSE THAT.
SOMETHING THAT HAD TO BE REVIEWED.
AS YOU CONTINUE ON QUORUM, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS AREA IS COMPLETED.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF THE SIGNALS AT THIS TIME WERE BAGGED.
THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY OPERATIONAL, BUT THIS ALLOWS YOU TO CROSS, UM, AT QUORUM.
AND THEN OF COURSE AT ADDISON ROAD, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE TOLD A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT LOOK AT THE METAL RAILING.
THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO GET INTO THAT AREA.
SO TONS OF PEOPLE USE THIS AREA, UM, TO TRAVERSE ALONG ADDISON ROAD.
UM, THIS IS AN AERIAL, SO THEY FLY THIS WITH A DRONE ONCE A MONTH.
AND SO THEY GAVE ME ACCESS TO A BUNCH OF REALLY COOL PICTURES, UM, THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO GET UPDATES.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE AREA WHERE THE BAUMAN BUILDING USED TO BE, YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL IN THAT AREA.
IT CROSSES THE RAILROAD TRACKS AT THAT AREA.
INSTEAD THERE'S STOP SIGNS TELLING PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY STOP AND THEN YOU CAN TRAVERSE THE TRAIL ALL THE WAY TO QUORUM.
UM, HERE'S THE BRIDGE OVER MIDWAY.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE AREA WHERE IT'S BETWEEN THE SILVER LINE BRIDGE AND THE ACTUAL, UH, WHEELER BRIDGE.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE BRIDGE ABUTMENTS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED IN SOME OF THE BRIDGE SPANS IN THIS AREA.
UM, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER PICTURE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE GROUND, UM, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, SO I MENTIONED THE CURRENT STATUS.
THERE'S TWO PARCELS THAT ARE BEING ACQUIRED.
WE WILL BE BRINGING A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FORWARD, UM, TO YOU.
THIS IS A TRAIL THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL MAINTAIN.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL COME FORWARD, UM, IN THE FUTURE AFTER WE FINISH THE PUNCH LIST.
UM, AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ADOPTED AMENITIES PACKAGE IN THE CURRENT FY 26 BUDGET.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ON THAT AND UM, THEY HAVE AN OVERALL, UH, PROJECT TO DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU SEE LIKE BENCHES, LIGHTING, UM, LIGHTING ON THE BRIDGE, SIGNAGE, THERE'S A ART, UM, THAT IS A CYCLIST SCULPTURE IN THIS AREA.
SOME LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS, DOG WASTE SET, UH, STATIONS, TRASH RECEPTACLES.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WATER FOUNTAINS IN THIS AREA.
UM, THE 9 1 1 TRAIL MARKERS WILL BE DONE AS A PART OF THE WAY FINDING PROJECT, NOT A PART OF THIS AMENITIES PACKAGE.
AND THIS IS ALL A PART OF THE OVERALL BUDGET.
SO THEY NOW HAVE THE DOCUMENTS IN, UM, THAT THEY NEED TO BEGIN THIS NEXT STEP OF WORKING FORWARD TO GETTING A DESIGN AS WE WORK TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
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AND WE GO TO THAT.UM, AND I'M REAL FOCUSED ON, ON THIS, UH, THESE TRAFFIC TRAFFIC, UH, SIGNAL EQUIPMENT INSTALLATIONS AND ALL THAT SAFETY STUFF, UH, TRAVERSING BACK AND FORTH TO DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.
SO, UM, ON THAT, UH, SECOND, SECOND ROW, IS THAT, IS THAT COMPLETE? NO, SIR.
SO THIS DATA IS PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THE NEWSLETTER, UM, THAT DART PUTS TOGETHER.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHAT THEY PUBLISH.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE DID WORK WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS ON SPECIFICALLY THE SOUTHBOUND BECAUSE THAT'S THE ENTRANCE INTO ADDISON.
BUT THEY WILL BE WORKING TO COMPLETE BOTH THE SOUTH AND THE NORTHBOUND.
AND I ANTICIPATE IT'LL BE AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY ESTIMATE, GUESSTIMATE WHEN, WHEN THAT MIGHT, MIGHT BE OPEN OR, OR MIGHT BE DONE? I DON'T BELIEVE AT THIS TIME THEY'VE GIVEN US ANY UPDATE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THAT'S, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF, IF YOU KNEW, SO THESE ARE THESE, ALL THE, THIS, THIS IS INTERESTING ON THIS, UM, ON THIS LIST BECAUSE THESE ARE REALLY BIG INTERSECTIONS TO GET US TO, TO, UH, TO A GREATER PATH DOWN TO WHITE ROCK, ROCK LAKE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
AND, UM, ON THE, ON THE BRIDGE, I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU KNOW, ELABORATING ON THAT.
REALLY HADN'T HEARD THAT UNTIL, TILL TODAY.
UM, DO YOU, KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT IT THAN, THAN THE REST OF US, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PINNACLE OF THE BRIDGE AND THEN THE AESTHETIC? UM, OR HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SHARE ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT RUST RUSTED, IRON RUSTED, UM, RUSTED IRON LOOK, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING YOU CAN ADD? YEAH.
BEFORE WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE BRIDGE OVER, IT'S CURRENTLY PATINA, UM, THERE'S NOT, UH, ANY PLANS.
I WILL TELL YOU THERE'S THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT ON OTHER BRIDGES, AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COME FROM CITY MANAGEMENT AS THEY ASK US TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT AESTHETIC PACKAGES TO MAKE IT MORE ADDISON FEEL.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE'LL BE DISCUSSING AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE OVERALL DESIGN, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAD CONSTRAINTS WITH THE LAND THAT THEY HAD TO BUILD.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THAT MAKES THINGS A LITTLE BIT WONKY AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS AREA.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO ONE SIDE THAN IT IS TO THE OTHER.
UM, I'M NOT A BRIDGE DESIGNER, BUT I TRUST THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, WE WILL JUST TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL OR CITY MANAGEMENT AS, UM, WE WILL WANNA LOOK AT MAKING DIFFERENT CHANGES.
I THINK UNTIL IT REALLY GETS CONSTRUCTED AND WE SEE THE FINAL PRODUCT, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO SAY, HEY, WE'D REALLY LIKE THIS PATINA TO LOOK X, Y, OR Z.
UM, UH, AND AS WE'VE SEEN SOME, SOME, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT KIND OF CONSISTENCY ALONG THE TRAIL, AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A QUESTION WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK MAYBE WHEN THE TRAIL'S COMPLETE.
AND, AND WE'VE TRAVERSED THE WHOLE TRAIL BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT SAME LOOK IS, IS WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING OVER THE TOLLWAY.
AND IT'S PROBABLY, WE'RE GONNA SEE, PROBABLY SEE A LOT OF THAT, UM, AS WE GO, WHAT IS IT, 60, 60 SOMETHING MILES.
I'M GONNA GO TO DARREN 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHEN HIS HAND WENT UP.
I THINK IT WAS GOOD FOR ALL OF US TO GET AN UPDATE ON, ON THIS.
THAT ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON SLIDE 11.
AND I HAD, UM, PART OF THIS IN THE, UH, COUNCIL QUESTIONS.
UH, I WANTED LIKE AN ELABORATION.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE COMPLETION TIME? UH, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING THAT THE TRAIL TO BE COMPLETED IS OVERALL THE WHOLE LENGTH OF IT? IS IT, IS IT TWO YEARS, FOUR YEARS? YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE SECTIONS ARE NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED.
AND SO I DON'T THINK UNTIL THEY HAVE THOSE SECTIONS FUNDED.
YOU SEE THE PLAN THAT'S THE RED, WHICH IS KIND OF ON THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.
AND THEN THE SECTIONS THROUGHOUT, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE CARROLLTON SECTION, WITHOUT THE FUNDING, UM, SET ASIDE, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE REALLY ANY IDEA AS TO WHEN THAT WILL BE COMPLETED.
AND THEY SAID, UH, COG TOLD ME THEY WERE GONNA WORK WITH THEIR REGIONAL PARTNERS AND THE CITIES THAT, UM, ARE IMPACTED TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO HELP FUND THAT MUCH NEEDED SECTION OF THE PROJECT.
THAT WAS MY EXACT NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THE ONES THAT ARE UNFUNDED, ESPECIALLY THAT ONE, UH, THAT IS DIRECTLY ABUT TO US IN CARROLLTON.
UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, THE TRAIL BEING MORE COMPLETE MAKES MORE OF OUR THOUGHTS AND PLANS FOR TOD, UH, A NICE BIKE SHOP THERE AND, AND SUCH, UM, MAKES IT MORE VIABLE.
AND YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTION AS FAR AS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND ACTUALLY I DO SEE ON, ON THE, THE ZOOM IN ON THAT SLIDE THAT IT DOES HAVE SOME CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED DATE.
SO THAT, THAT WILL ANSWER MY QUESTION.
THAT'S, THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL SLIDE, SO THAT HELPS.
UM, YEAH, JUST SO I WAS CURIOUS AS, UH, ON, ON THE FUNDING TIMEFRAME, UH, BUT I GUESS YOU HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU
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CAN GET.UM, SO ON THE, UH, THE WINDING TRAIL THERE BY ADDISON ROAD THAT YOU ADDRESSED, FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR, UM, TAKING ACTION ON THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WE HAD.
UM, IT IS A NICE LOT TO SEVERAL TREES THERE.
WHY ARE WE TEARING UP THAT, UH, WINDY TRAIL? YOU ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
SIX FOOT FOR 10 FOOT, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING WITH DART ON IT, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE WANTED YOU TO HOPE THAT YOU WOULD DO.
AND I'M GLAD THAT TRAIN WASN'T SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE CAN'T MAKE CHANGES.
UH, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR LOOKING AT THAT AND, AND TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THAT CHARACTER AS POSSIBLE.
NOW YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BRIDGE PAINT.
UH, MY MAIN CONCERN IS, IS THE CROSSINGS AT THE MAJOR ROADS.
AND, AND IN PARTICULAR AT THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST, YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU'RE COMING FROM A PRETTY RUSTIC AREA THERE.
AND IMMEDIATELY CROSSING THE TOLLWAY, THAT SERVICE ROAD IN THOSE AREAS, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH, ARE TRAVELING AT A VERY HIGH RATE OF SPEED.
WHAT KIND OF PROTECTION IS THERE FOR A BICYCLIST THAT'S SHOOTING ALONG THERE AT 30 MILES AN HOUR, 20 MILES AN HOUR, AND DOESN'T REALIZE THAT'S THE SERVICE ROAD.
AND HE JUST GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS, WHAT, WHERE IS THE SAFETY THERE? WHAT, WHAT WHAT'S GONNA BE AT THE CROSSING? SO AT THE CROSSING WILL BE, UM, A RFB AT THIS LOCATION.
SO THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUSH SOMETHING IN ORDER TO SAFELY CROSS THE ROADWAY AT THAT LOCATION SO THEY WON'T CONTINUE.
UM, I THINK ALSO ONE THING, IT, IT'S NOT COMPLETED YET, BUT AS YOU TRAVEL SOUTHBOUND, YOU SEE THE ACTUAL, UM, RAILROAD CROSSING, THERE'S ALSO A SIGNAL THAT'S GOING TO FLASH RED FOR THE INDIVIDUALS DRIVING ON THAT, UH, PATHWAY.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT A PART OF THE DESIGN.
UM, WE'VE BROUGHT SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS TO THEIR ATTENTION.
UM, SIMILARLY TO YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE DRIVING, TRAVELING AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S AN AREA OF WHICH WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AS IT WORKS TO GET CONSTRUCTED, IF MORE CONCERNS ARE RAISED, WE BEGIN TO, UM, WORK MORE HEAVILY WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ALSO WITH NTTA TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT I THINK, UM, UNTIL THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE AND WE SEE HOW IT ACTUALLY OPERATES AND WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK, UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES AT THIS TIME.
I JUST, I JUST HAVE A REAL CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND ONCE YOU GET INTO ADDISON, ONCE YOU GET ACROSS THE THE TOLLWAY, YOU HAVE MORE OF AN OPEN VIEW OF WHAT'S COMING UP AT YOU.
UM, I, I, A REAL CONCERN THERE.
UM, OH, WHAT WAS MY OTHER, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
DAN, BECKY, I'LL MAKE A QUICK THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, CERTAINLY, I, I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEAR YOU'VE PROBABLY REACHED OUT OR NOT HEARD BACK FROM YOUR COUNTERPART WITHIN THE CARROLLTON CITY.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO CARROLLTON.
I REACHED OUT DIRECTLY TO THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
UM, AND SO THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS IS THE ONE WHO IS LETTING ME KNOW THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY NOT FUNDING SET ASIDE.
I'M HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THEM.
UM, BUT THE DIRECT CORRELATION WITH THE RESPONSE THAT I RECEIVED WAS DIRECTLY RELATED TO COG BECAUSE THAT'S WHO OUR RELATIONSHIP WAS, IS ON THIS PROJECT.
SO, IN A SENSE COULD POSSIBLY BE THEY DIDN'T APPLY FOR AN APPLICATION FOR GRANT FUNDING? POSSIBLY.
I MEAN, IT'S A VERY LARGE PROJECT, UM, AND $20 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR A TRAIL.
UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW ANY REASON WHY THEY WOULD MAKE THEIR DECISION.
THEY WOULD, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY WOULD WORK TO, THROUGH THE COG AND THROUGH RTC, UM, AND THROUGH OTHER FUNDING, WHETHER IT'S A TRANSPORTATION SET ASIDE OR SOME KIND OF GRANT, UM, TO WORK TO TRY TO GET THAT FUNDED WOULD BE IT JUST THOUGHT THAT THEY HAVE A SILVER LINE AS WELL AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT LIKE WE DID, LET'S GET THIS COTTON BELL TRAIL YEAH.
IT COULD BE A POLICY LEVEL DECISION.
IT WAS SORT OF BROUGHT UP ON THE CROSSING OF THE ROADS.
I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, YOUNG GALS WALKING DOGS ON THE PATH ONCE IT'S OPEN.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE ANY SENSE OF SECURITY CAMERAS MAYBE FROM THE ROADWAYS THAT JUST MAYBE GET SOME PERIPHERAL SECURITY? WE, SOMETHING HAPPENS.
WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS, UM, IN THIS AREA.
I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF FLOCK CAMERAS THAT ARE ALONG SOME OF THOSE CORRIDORS.
UM, LIGHTING IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING AS A PART OF THE AMENITIES PACKAGE ALONG WITH THE 9 1 1 TRAIL MARKERS.
UM, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SECURITY CAMERAS BEING INSTALLED, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT.
UNLESS DAVID, SORRY YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT.
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WE HAVE CAMERAS IN OTHER PARKS AND ON OTHER TRAILS, SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT.TO MY POINT, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
I WAS GONNA SAY WE HAVE, WE HAVE CAMERAS IN OTHER PARKS, SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG ADDED VALUE FROM A SAFETY COMPONENT THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THAT AS A COUNCIL.
BEN, YOU HAD, SO, OR RANDY, YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE I DID ON, ON OUR SIDEWALK THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED HERE.
THE, THE CURVY THROUGH THE TREES.
MY POINT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS IS THAT THERE'S LOTS OF LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SIDEWALK FOR THEM TO TAKE THAT TRAIL CLOSER TO THE COTTON BELL, TO, UH, CLOSER TO THE SILVER LINE TRACK OVER THERE.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE LESS WORK TO BUILD A TRAIL ON THAT OTHER LAND THEN DEMOLISH WHAT WE'VE GOT AND THEN HAVE TO REBUILD IF WE'RE IN A, WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WASN'T AN OPTION BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO PAY FOR THE REDESIGN, BUT APPARENTLY WE'RE IN A REDESIGN NOW.
CAN WE NOT LOOK AT THAT MOVING THAT THE BIKE LANE OVER AND KEEPING OUR NICE LITTLE TRANQUIL WALKING TRAIL THAT, THAT WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF THERE? SURE.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINAL DESIGN YET.
I KNOW THEY WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DESIGNER, BUT I'LL ASK THE QUESTION.
AND YOU KNOW, ON THE SECURITY WITH THE CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE CALL BOXES ALONG THE WAY ARE ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE THE MARKER, YOU KNOW, TO LET THE FIRE OR POLICE KNOW WHERE I'M AT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU, BECKY? UH, NO SIR.
I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ENOUGH FROM ME TONIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALRIGHT, IT'S, UH, 8 39.
IT IS 8 46 AND WE ARE COMING BACK IN FROM OUR SHORT BREAK, AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR E.
AND BEFORE WE GET INTO FOUR E, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL, SEE OUR NEXT FOUR E AND FOUR F ARE BOTH BUDGET, UH, ITEMS. UM, MY SUGGESTION AND, UH, IT WOULD BE THAT WE COULD MOVE FOUR F TO NEXT WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING.
'CAUSE WE'LL BE TO OUR NEXT WEEK'S WORK SESSION, BECAUSE WE'LL BE DOING BUDGET NEXT WEEK AND WE HAVE SOME SPACE AVAILABLE ON THAT.
UH, IS THE COUNCIL OKAY WITH I AM MAYOR? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
SO WE'LL DO FOUR E AND, UH, THEN WE'LL PUSH FOUR F TO NEXT WEEK, IF THAT HELPS STAFF WITH ANY PLANNING FOR TONIGHT OR ANYTHING.
[e. Present and discuss the Proposed Annual Budget for the Town of Addison for Fiscal Year 2027 beginning October 1, 2026, and ending September 30, 2027, including but not limited to: FY27 Budget Introduction.]
FOUR E IS PRESENTED.DISCUSS THE PROPOSED ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2026, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO FY 27.
UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
AND WE DID HAVE A MEETING, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, AND WE WENT OVER, UH, THAT WAS KIND OF OUR, UH, PRE-BUDGET INTRODUCTION.
TALKED ABOUT SOME UTILITY RATE, UH, CONCEPTS WITH YOU.
BUT TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, THERE WE GO.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR OVERALL BUDGET INTRODUCTION.
SO, UH, SO MY GOLD AND I IS TO GO OVER AN OVERVIEW OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS, INCLUDING, UH, OUR CALENDAR, GIVE SOME EXPLANATIONS OF SOME TERMS. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THROUGH THE PROCESS BASE BUDGETS, UH, RESOURCE MAXIMIZATION DECISION PACKAGES, AND THEN PRESENT, UH, SOME BUDGET PRI PRIORITIES AND FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS, UH, THAT WE'RE WORKING OFF OF FOR THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET.
UH, GO OVER THE MAJOR REVENUE SOURCES, UH, SOME OF OUR PERSONNEL ASSUMPTIONS.
UH, GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF OUR MAJOR OPERATING FUNDS, AND THEN GO OVER SOME OF OUR OTHER FUNDS.
SO THE BUDGET CALENDAR REALLY STARTS, UH, WITH COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
UH, WE TAKE THAT, UH, INFORMATION, THAT PLANNING DOCUMENT, UH, THAT YOU, UH, WORK ON.
AND THEN WE BEGIN OUR BUDGET PRE PREPARATION TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS AND ALL OF OUR, UH, THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING THE DEPARTMENTS TO DO OR LINING UP WITH THAT STRATEGIC VISION THAT YOU HAVE.
UH, WE TAKE A MONTH AND, AND GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER.
UH, WE HAVE A KICKOFF IN MARCH.
UH, AND, UH, THEN WE GIVE OUR BUDGET TEAMS EACH DEPARTMENT ABOUT SIX WEEKS TO, TO GET THEIR BUDGETS READY AND PUT THEIR BUDGET INTO OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
THEN WE HAVE ABOUT A MONTH BETWEEN APRIL AND MAY, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH EACH DEPARTMENT, UH, TO GET THEIR PRESENTATIONS THAT THEY'LL GIVE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE READY.
AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY ASSUMPTIONS.
AND THEN WE START TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCIL.
WE BEGAN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
AND, UH, AT JUNE 23RD MEETING,
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BEGIN THAT PROCESS, CONTINUE THAT PROCESS TONIGHT AND THROUGH THROUGHOUT JULY.AND THEN IN JULY WE'LL BEGIN TO, UH, FINISH UP OUR LONG-TERM FINANCIAL PLANS.
WE'LL GET, UH, THE FINAL, UH, PROPERTY, UH, APPRAISAL DATA FROM THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE JULY, UH, THE CITY MANAGER WILL PROPOSE HIS BUDGET AND SUBMIT THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY SECRETARY.
AND THEN AUGUST 8TH, WE'LL HAVE A, UH, WORK SESSION, UH, ON THE BUDGET.
UH, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL HAVE CONTINUED, UH, DISCUSSIONS THROUGHOUT AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER.
WE'LL HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS IN SEPTEMBER, UH, REGARDING THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE.
AND THEN THE SECOND MEETING OF SEPTEMBER.
UH, THE FIRST MEETING WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING, YOUR FIRST REGULAR MEETING, UH, OF SEPTEMBER.
YOU WOULD, UH, HAVE THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE BEFORE YOU FOR ADOPTION.
AND THEN OCTOBER 1ST, WE BEGIN OUR FISCAL YEAR.
WE FINISH UP THAT BUDGET DOCUMENT THAT YOU JUST APPROVED.
WE GET AUDITED, AND THEN WE START THE WHOLE THING OVER AGAIN.
SO, UH, IT REALLY IS A YEAR LONG CYCLE, UH, AS FAR AS THE BUDGET PREPARATION GOES.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A BASE BUDGET, AND YOU'LL HEAR THE TERM BASE BUDGET, UH, THAT REALLY IS FUNDING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE AS THE PRIOR YEAR.
SO IT'S REALLY A STARTING POINT FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.
UH, THEY HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF PERSONNEL THEY HAD THE PRIOR YEAR, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENED AND THERE WAS A REDUCTION OR AN ADDITION, BUT WHATEVER THEY ENDED THE PRIOR YEAR WITH, UH, THAT FUNDING WISE IS WHAT THEY, UH, BEGIN THE NEXT YEAR WITH.
SO IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME LEVEL OF RESOURCES TO PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO THERE MAY BE SOMETHING, YOU MAY HEAR A BASELINE ADJUSTMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THAT COUNSEL HAS APPROVED A CONTRACT, UH, FOR THREE YEARS, AND I'LL USE THE JAIL SERVICES CONTRACT AS AN EXAMPLE.
UH, THERE'S DIFFERENT PRICES FOR EACH YEAR.
UH, YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE CONTRACT.
SO THE BASELINE ADJUSTMENT WOULD BE INCORPORATING THAT PRICE FOR THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS INTO THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A DECISION PACKAGE, UH, THESE ARE NEW OR FUNDING FOR NEW OR EXPANDED SERVICES.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEW AND IT MAY BE IN LINE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY FOCUS AREAS OR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES THAT CAME FROM YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS.
UH, THESE COULD BE REQUEST FOR ONE-TIME FUNDING.
UH, IT COULD BE RECURRING FUNDING IF IT'S A NEW SOFTWARE OR A NEW EMPLOYER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
UH, SO THESE ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, IF THEY GO, ARE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER, UH, DURING OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
UH, SO, AND THEN THESE WILL BE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL.
UH, SOME ARE IN THE, WE'RE ON THE SECOND ITEM TONIGHT.
SO YOU'LL GET THE, SOME OF THOSE, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, THE, THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS IN JULY.
AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, UH, YOU'LL HEAR ALL ABOUT ANY OF THOSE, UH, DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
AND THEN RESOURCE MAXIMIZATION.
SO THIS WAS AN INITIATIVE, UH, DEVELOPED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND IT'S REALLY A COMMITTEE OF TOWN STAFF, UH, THAT WORKS TO GENERATE SOME SAVINGS OR EFFICIENCIES THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS.
UH, THERE IS, UH, A SOLICITATION THAT GOES OUT, UH, THROUGHOUT TOWN FOR EMPLOYEES TO, UH, EITHER ANONYMOUSLY OR IF THEY WANT TO, UH, GIVE US THEIR NAME, THEY CAN GIVE US THEIR NAME AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEIR IDEAS ARE.
UH, EVERY DEPARTMENT THROUGHOUT THEIR BUDGET PROCESS IS ASKED TO IDENTIFY, UH, SCENARIOS OF SAVINGS OR EFFICIENCIES, UH, DURING THEIR BUDGET PREP PREPARATION.
AND THEN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, IF THEY'RE APPROVED, ARE, UH, BY THE CITY MANAGER, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
SO, UH, PRELIMINARILY, UH, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSE TO ABOUT $460,000 IN RECURRING SAVINGS, UH, THIS YEAR.
SO I THINK THAT MAY BE THE BEST WE'VE HAD.
SO, UM, YOU WILL GET MORE INFORMATION ON, UH, THE RESULTS OF THAT IN THE, UH, NEXT MONTH OR SO.
SO THIS IS WHAT, UH, DAVID TALKED ABOUT WHEN HE GAVE HIS BUDGET KICKOFF, UH, SPEECH TO THE STAFF BACK IN, UH, MARCH.
SO TAKE, TAKE CARE AND MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE, UH, MAINTAIN A FISCAL, UH, CONSERVATIVE FISCAL APPROACH.
UH, ALIGN THOSE DEPARTMENT NEEDS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES, WHICH ARE YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND THEN AGAIN, IDENTIFY, ANALYZE, AND IMPLEMENT WAYS THAT WE CAN DECREASE COSTS AND IMPROVE OVERALL EFFICIENCY.
SO THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET, UH, AND THROUGHOUT OUR MAJOR FUNDS, THERE ARE SOME FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE BEGIN, GET, BEGIN THIS PROCESS WITH, AND WE REFINE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AS WE GET FURTHER AND FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROJECTING THAT OVERALL, UH, PROPERTY VALUES ARE GONNA INCREASE ABOUT 4.5%.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL, UH, INCLUDED IN THE, UH, PACKET, UH, THIS EVENING.
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UH, BUT ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OF THAT IS FROM NEW PROPERTY ADDED TO THE TAX ROLL.WE DO HAVE THE ONE PROPERTY, UH, THE KELLER SPRINGS APARTMENT SEAT WAS PREVIOUSLY TAX EXEMPT HAS NOW BEEN ADDED TO THE TAX RULE.
SO THOSE TWO ITEMS RIGHT THERE MAKE UP ABOUT 3.6 OF THAT 4.5%.
THE OTHER 0.9 IS A, IS INCREASE IN EXISTING PROPERTY VALUES.
UH, OVERALL WE SEE ABOUT A 2.9% INCREASE IN SALES TAX REVENUE.
UH, WE CURRENTLY SHOW NO INCREASE IN THE DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE AND A 1 CENT DECREASE IN THE OPERATING TAX RATE, WHICH WOULD BE OVERALL A 1 CENT DECREASE IN THE OVERALL TAX RATE.
UH, THE OVERALL BUDGET HAS A 4% COMPENSATION INCREASE, UH, AND A 7% INCREASE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.
UH, WE DO NOT HAVE THE FINAL HEALTH INSURANCE NUMBERS YET, BUT WE'RE HOPEFULLY HOPEFUL THAT THAT WILL BE, UH, A GOOD NUMBER OR LESS THAN THAT.
UH, AND THAT AND WATER AND SEWER RATES A 4% INCREASE AND NO INCREASE IN, UH, STORMWATER RATES.
SO MAJOR OPERATING FUNDS ARE MOST MAJOR.
OPERATING FUND IS OUR GENERAL FUND, AND AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE ASSUMING A 1 CENT PROPERTY TAX RATE REDUCTION IN THE GENERAL FUND.
UH, WE CURRENTLY ESTIMATE THERE'S ABOUT A $280,000 SURPLUS SURPLUS IN THAT FUND, UH, THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO EITHER RECURRING DECISION PACKAGES OR FURTHER PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION.
UH, AND THERE ARE SOME FUTURISTIC TO CONSIDER.
UH, AS FAR AS PROPERTY VALUES, UH, SPECIFICALLY OFFICE PROPERTY VALUES, WE HAVE SEEN, SEEN SOME SOFTNESS THERE, UH, MAINLY IN THE QUORUM CORRIDOR.
UH, BUT OVERALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY VALUES ARE INCREASING THIS YEAR, UH, EVEN WITH SOME OFFICE DECREASES.
UH, AND THEN ANYTIME YOU'RE, YOU'RE HEAVILY RELIANT ON SALES TAX, THERE COULD BE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A DECLINE IN THAT IF, IF, YOU KNOW, JUST OVERALL ECONOMIC CONDITION CONDITIONS, UH, DETERIORATE OUR HOTEL FUND.
SO WE DID KEEP, UH, THE HOTEL TAX FLAT FOR 2027.
WE DID IN 2026 INCLUDE A PRETTY GOOD SIZED INCREASE IN ANTICIPATION OF THE WORLD CUP.
UH, SO KEEPING THAT FLAT, UH, FOR GOING INTO 2027.
UH, AND THEN OVERALL EFFICIENCIES AND OPERATING EXPENDITURES ARE ANTICIPATED, AND THE OUTLOOK OF THE FUND IS STABLE OVER THE, UH, 10 YEAR LONG-TERM FINANCIAL PLAN THAT WE DO.
UH, WE HAVE THREE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
UH, WE HAVE A PROJECTED, UH, PROPOSED 4% INCREASE, UH, FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER RATES.
UH, THE INCREASES THROUGHOUT, UH, THE LAST, UH, RATE MODEL THAT WE'VE HAD HAVE BEEN LESS THAN WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE RATE MODEL THAT WAS ADOPTED BY, UH, COUNCIL IN 2022.
UH, SO ACTUALLY, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, BEEN ABLE TO, TO KEEP RATES LOWER THAN WHAT WAS PROJECTED.
WE ONLY RAISED, UH, SEWER RATES 1%.
WE KEPT WATER RATES FLAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH A 4.5% RATE, UH, WAS INCLUDED IN THAT RATE MODEL.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE, MAKE SOME EFFICIENCIES IN THIS FUND, UH, TO KEEP RATES LOWER THAN ANTICIPATED.
UH, THE STORMWATER FUND WE'RE PROJECTING NO, UH, RATE INCREASE FOR 2027.
AND THEN THE AIRPORT FUND REMAINS IN A STRONG POSITION, UH, THROUGHOUT THE LONG-TERM FINANCIAL PLAN.
UH, OTHER FUNDS, INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, THESE FUNDS ARE BASICALLY, UH, ALL DEPARTMENTS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE EITHER CAPITAL EQUIPMENT OR IT EQUIPMENT OR FACILITIES.
THEY ALL CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO THESE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.
THAT WAY WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR PURCHASED THE NEW, UH, TRUCK REPLACEMENT, OR WE HAVE SOFTWARE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, OR WE HAVE A FACILITY THAT NEEDS A REPAIR, WE'VE ALREADY SET ASIDE THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO DO, UH, ANY TYPE OF BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAVE OUR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND.
SO EACH DEPARTMENT, UH, THAT HAS EQUIPMENT CONTRIBUTES TO THAT FUND, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN REPLACE ALL OF THEIR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, UH, AS NEEDED.
WE HAVE OUR IT REPLACEMENT FUND.
SO EACH DEPARTMENT OR FUND THAT HAS ANY IT EQUIPMENT OR SOFTWARE, WHETHER THAT BE HARDWARE OR SOFTWARE, UH, CONTRIBUTE SO THAT THO THERE, THERE ARE FUNDS TO REPLACE THOSE ITEMS, UH, AS THEY'RE NEEDED.
AND THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TASERS FOR THE OFFICERS OR THE RADARS ON THEIR, THEIR CARS, THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ALL COME OUTTA THE IT REPLACEMENT FUND.
UH, THEN WE HAVE OUR FACILITY REPLACEMENT FUND, AND WE REALLY HAVE FOUR FUNDS THAT HAVE, UH, UH, BUILDINGS.
UH, WE HAVE THE GENERAL FUND, THE HOTEL FUND, AIRPORT FUND, AND UTILITY FUND.
UH, SO THOSE FUNDS CONTRIBUTE, UH, SO THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY EMERGENCY MAINTENANCE NEEDS OR THEY HAVE ANY PLANNED MAINTENANCE NEEDS FOR THEIR EXISTING FACILITIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY SET FUNDS ASIDE, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THOSE TASKS, UH, ON AN EMERGENCY OR AS A PLAN BASIS.
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THESE ARE REALLY EXTENSIONS OF THE GENERAL FUND.SO OUR SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, UH, THIS IS REALLY SAVINGS OR EXCESS REVENUE FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
GENERALLY, PERSONNEL SA A COMBINATION OF PERSONNEL SAVINGS AND EXCESS SALES TAX THAT'S GENERATED EACH YEAR, UH, CAN BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO THIS FUND TO FUND ONE TIME, UH, DECISION PACKAGES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND.
THEN WE HAVE OUR STREET SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUND.
SO THESE ARE REALLY NON-RECURRING REVENUE SOURCES, UH, THAT GENERALLY WOULD'VE GONE INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THESE HAVE BEEN ACCUMULATED IN THIS FUND, UH, FOR EITHER STREETS CAPITAL PROJECTS OR SIGNIFICANT NON-ROUTINE, UH, STREETS MAINTENANCE PROJECTS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD'VE BEEN FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY FUNDED BY TWO AND A HALF CENTS OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX RATE, THAT IF THIS FUND DIDN'T EXIST, THOSE FUNDS WOULD, UH, GO TO YOUR GENERAL FUND, UH, TO FURTHER THE ECONOMIC INTEREST OF THE TOWN.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE MORE FUND, THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND.
THIS IS, UH, JUST OVER SIX TENTHS OF A PENNY OF THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, UH, THAT IS PROVIDED TO, UH, FUND CASH, UH, CASH FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, WITH VALUES OVER $500,000.
AND THEN NEXT STEPS IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS, UH, THROUGHOUT JULY, UH, JULY 25TH, WE, OR HOPEFULLY BEFORE THAT DATE, BUT THE DEADLINE IS JULY 25TH.
WE'LL RECEIVE THE CERTIFIED PROPERTY VALUES FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, JULY 31ST.
UH, COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, AUGUST 8TH, UH, WHICH IS A SATURDAY.
WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, UH, THEN AFTER THAT AUGUST THROUGH SEPTEMBER, WE'LL REFINE THE BUDGET BASED ON, UH, ANY COUNCIL DIRECTION RECEIVED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND THROUGH THE, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.
WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 1ST.
UH, THAT WOULD BE OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE.
UH, THEN AT YOUR FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 8TH, I WILL HOLD THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET, SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE.
AND THEN BOTH OF THOSE WILL BE FOR THE, FOR YOU FOR ADOPTION.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S ALWAYS A REALLY NICE OVERVIEW TO GET AND UH, IT'S, IT IS KIND OF A LOT, ESPECIALLY IF ANYBODY HASN'T BEEN THROUGH IT VERY OFTEN, BUT, UM, ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GONNA FINALLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF IT.
UH, RANDY, REAL QUICK, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A 1%, UH, 1 CENT REDUCTION IN PROPERTY TAXES THIS YEAR? THAT IS WHAT OUR PROJECTION IS, YES.
AND WHAT, WHAT IS THAT GUN, WHAT DOES THAT RELATE TO? WHAT DOES IT RELATE TO? YEAH.
AS FAR AS WHAT DOES IT, AS FAR AS THE REASON? YES.
SO, AND, AND YOU'LL GET THIS PRESENTATION AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, BUT WE DID REFINE SOME OF THAT QUICK OVERVIEWS I'LL, THAT SOME OF THAT UTILITY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD THE, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING MM-HMM
THAT WE WERE USING THOSE FUNDS TO GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL UTILITY REVENUE.
WE HAVE A PLAN TO, TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND ALSO DO A HYBRID APPROACH THAT WE WILL IMPLEMENT THAT.
SO WHEN WE TALKED IN, IN THAT MEETING, THAT THAT COULD LEAD TO PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION.
YOU'RE ANTICIPATING SOME OF THAT COMING FORWARD? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, I THOUGHT I SAW IN HERE WHERE YOU SAID 4% INCREASE IN WATER.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IT, I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AN EVEN LARGER.
THERE IS, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S GONNA BE A 4% PROPOSED ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE, UH, IN ADDITION TO CHANGING TO THAT RATE STRUCTURE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, BUT PHASED IN, IN A MORE PHASED IN APPROACH.
FA AND THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER SAYING A PHASED IN.
SO THAT'S WONDERING WHERE WE WERE AT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? THAT'D BE GOOD.
SO, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON IN ADDISON.
UH, WHEN DO WE SEE THOSE COMING ONLINE? UH, LIKE TREEHOUSE ONE, THAT'S GOING TO BE, I BELIEVE OCTOBER IS WHEN THEY'RE GONNA START.
HOW, WHEN DOES THAT HIT AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT MAY BE FINISHING UP? YEAH, SO A COUPLE OF THOSE LARGER ONES ALREADY ARE PARTIALLY IN THE TAX ROLE.
SO, UH, BOTH THE, UM, I, I THINK IT'S CALLED ADDISON HEIGHTS, WHICH IS ON, I GUESS, UH, IS THAT ON KELLER SPRINGS, THE ONE THAT'S FINISHING UP NOW.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE ALEY, UH, TREE HOUSE ONE, THOSE ARE BOTH CURRENTLY PARTIALLY ON THE TAX RATE TAX ROLL AND THOSE MAKE UP A BIG PORTION OF THAT 2.5% OVERALL INCREASE IN NEW PROPERTY VALUE.
UM, SO, SO RIGHT NOW I THINK THERE'S ABOUT AROUND 170 MILLION IN NEW PROPERTY VALUE JUST FROM THOSE TWO THAT ARE NEW TO
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THE TAX ROLL THIS YEAR.YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, SOME OF THOSE MAJOR, UH, ADDITIONS LISTED OUT SOMETIME, MAYBE IN A FRIDAY REPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'D BE REALLY INTERESTING SOME TIMING WHEN WE EXPECT THEM TO COME ONLINE.
OTHERWISE, REALLY GOOD OVERVIEW, STEVEN, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT.
YOU'VE DUMBED IT DOWN CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHERE I CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
RANDY, YOU HAD, SO ONE, ONE MORE REAL QUICK.
ONE, I KNOW THERE'S A PROCESS FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO CHALLENGE HIS PROPERTY TAX RATE.
IS THERE A REVERSE PROCESS FOR THE TOWN TO CHALLENGE A RATE THAT WE FEEL LIKE IS EXTRAORDINARILY LOW IN COMPARISON TO OTHER LIGHT PROPERTIES IN AN AREA? IS THERE A WAY FOR THE TOWN TO CHALLENGE THAT? THERE, THERE, WELL, CAN I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A VALUE, NOT A RATE, CORRECT.
I SAY IF I SAID RIGHT, I OKAY.
VALUE OF A PROPERTY, CORRECT IT.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS, AND MAYBE WHIT KNOWS MORE THAN, THAN ME ON THIS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS PREEMPTIVELY, IF THEY CHALLENGE THEIR, UH, THEIR VALUE, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO SUPPORT, UM, EITHER SUPPORT THEIR POSITION, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD DO THAT, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONFLICTING INFORMATION RELATED TO WHAT THEY'RE SUBMITTING, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
UH, WE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE CAN PREEMPTIVELY GO IN AND AND REVERSE PROTEST ON THEIR PROPERTY.
I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S, IF THAT IS A, A PROCESS.
IF, IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S WAY OUT OF WHACK.
YEAH, IT'S REALLY, IT WAS $20 MILLION ONE YEAR AND THIS YEAR THEY'VE VALUED IT AT 11 MILLION.
SO YEAH, IT'S REALLY, IT REALLY REQUIRES THE PROPERTY OWNER TO, TO INITIATE THE PROTEST PROCESS DOWNWARD, NOT UPWARD.
HEY STEVEN, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, ARE, DOES THE DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT EVER LIKE, REACH OUT TO US, UM, FOR INFORMATION ABOUT APPRAISAL? I GET A LETTER ON EVERYONE, UH, THAT IS GOING TO THE A RB OR, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LAWSUIT WITH, SO, SO EVERYONE, YOU GET A LOT.
AND WE PROVIDE, IN SOME CASES WE PROVIDE INFORMATION TO HELP IN, IN SOME CASES WE HAVE GENERALLY, I MEAN GENERALLY THERE'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH FOR US TO PROVIDE, BUT, UH, IF THERE WAS ONE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD SAY FOR THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON KELLER SPRINGS THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING, UH, SHOWING UP TO THAT HEARING, IF THAT DOES COME TO A HEARING.
ALRIGHT, AND, UH, AS STATED EARLIER, ITEM FOUR F, WE WILL PUSH TO, UH, THE JULY 14TH MEETING AND AS WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.
IT'S THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SHARE, UH, ITEMS OF EXPRESSION, UH, EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS, CONDOLENCES, ET CETERA.
AND MARLON, I SEE YOUR LIGHT ON OVER THERE.
UM, YEAH, WE, WE, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE JUST CELEBRATED A, A VERY HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL KABOOM TOWN EVENT.
AND, UM, AND WE HAD ALL HANDS ON DECK WITH THE TOWN STAFF AND SOME OF YOU ALL WERE OUT THERE AT MAYBE 6:00 AM OR EARLIER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT IT WAS HOT.
UM, AND WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WE WERE SERVING AND IT WAS, UM, THE EFFORT THAT YOU ALL PUT FORTH WAS AWESOME.
AND I KNOW IT WASN'T EASY WITH THE, UH, THE WEATHER CONDITIONS, TEMPERATURE CONDITIONS, BUT, UM, IT'S APPRECIATED AND, UH, SPOKEN TO A TON OF PEOPLE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
AND, UM, IT'S AWESOME JUST TO, TO HEAR, UH, HOW THANKFUL FOLKS ARE, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY THEY COME OUTTA TOWN OR MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY'RE UP IN PLANO, FRISCO, SOMETHING AND THEY CAME IN AND THEY TELL ME, HEY, WE WERE, WE WERE, WE WERE OVER AT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
WE WERE HERE, WE WERE THERE AND THE FIREWORKS AND THIS AND THAT.
AND JUST TO, JUST TO HEAR THOSE REACTIONS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE TAKING IT IN FOR THE FIRST TIME.
RANDY, MY THANKS TO THE STAFF AS WELL FOR THE WONDERFUL KABOOM TOWN THAT WE JUST DID.
IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO THANK, UH, OUR VETERANS, OUR EMPLOYEE VETERANS, AND OUR, UH, RESIDENT VETERANS THAT TOOK PLACE IN OUR WALL OF HONOR ON THE OUTSIDE HERE.
I WANNA THANK MARY ABBY, ALL STAFF THAT CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA THAT, THAT WORKED SO HARD.
AND UH, UM, THAT HAS BEEN SO WELL RECEIVED.
I'VE NEVER SEEN GROWN MAN GET A TEAR IN THEIR EYE WHEN, WHEN YOU ASK THEM TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
SOME PEOPLE I DIDN'T EVEN THINK HAD TEAR DUCTS,
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COMING UP THAT IDEA.THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING OUR CITIZENS AND THANK YOU FOR THE ATTITUDE THAT YOU DID IT WITH.
DAN, THAT WAS UP AHEAD OF ME ACTUALLY.
YOU WERE, BUT UH, SCHNELL, GO AHEAD LADIES FIRST.
SO AGAIN, UH, JUST A PLUS ONE WITH EVERYONE HAS ALREADY SAID ABOUT THE, UH, KABOOM TOWN.
IT'S VERY FUN, VERY INTERACTIVE, AND I JUST WANTED TO PERSONALLY THANK ASHLEY FOR WALKING ME OVER TO THE, UH, THROUGH THE CROWDS.
I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO PASSION AND ALSO TO JAMIE FOR THE B 25, UH, PLANE RIDE THAT WAS VERY FUN AND INTERACTIVE AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE STAFF, GREAT JOB TO THE OFFICERS.
Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB PROTECTING US AND WE JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
DAN, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF, OF COURSE, ANOTHER AMAZING KOBO IN TOWN WITH OUR 205TH ANNIVERSARY.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY INVITED A LOT OF GREAT GUESTS AND CERTAINLY THEY ACKNOWLEDGED JUST HOW AMAZING OUR SHOW IS.
UM, ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, I TOOK A PICTURE I'LL SHARE WITH COUNSEL.
I I, I MAYBE NEVER PAY ATTENTION GOING INTO OUR LOCAL POST OFFICE FOR SOME REASON I DID TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YOU, ABBY, OR MARY WHO DECORATES THE POST OFFICE.
SO AS MANY PEOPLE THAT DO NOT LIVE IN ADDISON, USE OUR POST OFFICE.
I'M SURE IT HAS TO, MAYBE IT DIDN'T CATCH MY EYE BEFORE, BUT I'LL, I'LL SHARE THAT WITH COUNSEL MAYBE GETTING THE FRIDAY NEWSLETTER BECAUSE IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DISPLAY ON BOTH SIDES ABOUT ALL THINGS ADDISON.
DARREN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YOU DIDN'T HAVE YOUR HAND UP OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH YOU.
I KNOW, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, EXPRESS MY THANKS AND APPRECIATION.
UH, KABOOM TOWN WAS, WAS AMAZING.
UM, LOTS OF GREAT FEEDBACK, ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE TOWN STAFF, EVERYBODY, UH, PULLING TOGETHER AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
YOU GUYS ARE JUST, EVERYBODY JUST KILLED IT.
AND, UM, JUST, UH, WATCHING OUT FROM US, UH, FOR, UH, POLICE FROM BEHIND THE SCENES.
UH, WE FORGET ABOUT THAT, HOW, HOW THEY'RE LOOKING IN ALL DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO IT'S, UM, VERY COMFORTING, UH, AND VERY PROUD TO, TO BE, UH, ADDISON, UH, RESIDENT, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE PULL OFF THE SHOW, WHEN YOU PULL OFF THE SHOW LIKE THAT.
AND I, AND I THINK WE HAVE A THEME GOING HERE.
UH, DITTO TO EVERYTHING THAT, UH, THE COUNCILMAN HAS SAID.
AND, UH, JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES TO YOU.
THE EVENT WAS SPECTACULAR, UH, BY FAR ONE OF THE BEST I'VE BEEN TO.
AND, UH, I WANTED TO SHARE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK EMAILS WITH YOU THAT I GOT, UM, RIGHT AFTER THAT ON SATURDAY.
UH, GENTLEMAN FROM FLOWER MOUND, OUR SINCERE THANKS FOR A SPECTACULAR FIREWORKS DISPLAY, TRULY WITH NO COMPARISON, TRULY NO COMPARISON, THE BEST DISPLAY I'VE SEEN IN MY 71 YEARS.
PLEASE PASS THE JOB WELL DONE TO ALL STAFF, EMPLOYEES, VOLUNTEERS, AND CONTRACTORS HAVE MADE THIS SPECIAL.
250TH ANNIVERSARY DISPLAY IS MEMORABLE AS THE OCCASION ITSELF, SO THAT'S AWESOME.
SAME DAY, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME TIME.
A GENTLEMAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA, HE SAID HE WA HE, HE WAS WATCHING THE FIREWORKS, UH, REPLAY, UH, ON THE NATIONAL NEWS AND HE SAID, JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT SO FAR YOUR FIREWORKS SHOW HAS BEEN ONE OF THE VERY BEST IN THE NATION.
WISHED I COULD HAVE BEEN THERE IN PERSON.
I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO VISIT TEXAS, ESPECIALLY FOR ONE OF THOSE HUGE STEAK AND MASHED POTATO MEALS.
AND HE SAID SOME OTHER NICE THINGS.
SO ALL THE WAY IN PENN, ALL THE WAY IN PENNSYLVANIA, THERE WERE LOVING ADDISON.
AND THERE WAS ONE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS A GENTLEMAN I MET ON THE GROUNDS THAT DAY AS I WAS MAKING ONE OF MY TOURS AROUND THE PARK.
AND HE WAS HERE FROM TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND HE WAS HERE BECAUSE OF KABOOM TOWN.
HE CAME HERE JUST TO COME TO KABOOM TOWN 'CAUSE HE, HE, HE GOOGLED THE BEST PLACES TO WATCH FIREWORKS IN THE UNITED STATES AND WE CAME UP, SO HE CAME HERE.
SO REALLY TERRIFIC JOB, UH, BY EVERYONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD VOLUNTEERS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED WITH KABOOM FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND, UM, I WANT TO, UH, TO SHARE SOME COMMENTS WITH YOU ALL ABOUT, UM, A LADY THAT'S REALLY DID A LOT OF WORK FOR ADDISON WITH ADDISON NAMED KELLY HUNTER.
UH, SHE WORKED WITH, UH, OMA SOUTHWEST A AN EVENT COMPANY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
SHE HAD SUCH A HUGE IMPACT ON KABOOM TOWN AND SHE PASSED AWAY RECENTLY.
UM, SHE, UH, WAS, SHE WAS A PUBLIC RELATIONS PROFESSIONAL, DEAR FRIEND OF ADDISON.
SO FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS, SHE WAS, SHE WAS WORKING, TELLING ADDISON'S STORY AROUND HERE, PROMOTING OUR EVENTS LIKE KABOOM TOWN, OCTOBER FEST.
UH, SHE, SHE JUST, SHE HELPED BUILD OUR NATIONAL REPUTATION FOR THESE EVENTS.
AND, UH, SO SHE HAD JUST A GREAT PASSION AND CREATIVITY AND DEDICATION FOR ADDISON AND FOR THE WORK THAT SHE DID.
AND SHE LEFT A LASTING MARK ON OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, SHE'LL BE DEEPLY MISSED BY SO MANY AROUND HERE THAT KNEW HER.
I MET HER WHEN I WAS BACK ON THE COUNCIL PROBABLY 15 YEARS AGO.
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HER AND WHEN SHE WAS STILL WORKING WITH OMA.AND, UH, SO SHE'S, UH, SHE'LL LEAVE A BIG VOID, BUT, UH, WE THANK HER FOR ALL THAT SHE DID FOR ADDISON.
SO, WITH THAT, ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, IT'S 9 4, 9 15.