* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Call Meeting to Order] [00:00:03] HELLO. I NOW CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADDISON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. IT IS TUESDAY, MAY 19TH, 2026, 6:01 PM UH, AND WE ARE AT THE TOWN HALL. I GUESS THEY CALL THIS BUILDING NOW. UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM OF SEVEN OUT OF SEVEN COMMISSIONERS. SO THANKS FOR ALL BEING HERE. AND AS WE DO AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL MEETINGS, WE WILL STAND AND SAY PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SERVES AN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO THE TOWN EVALUATING, PLANNING, ZONING, AND SUBDIVISION PROPOSALS, AND PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT POLICY. THE COMMISSION'S PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO ENSURE RESPONSIBLE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT BY ADHERING TO ESTABLISHED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND OVERSEEING THE ADMINISTRATION OF ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. THESE EFFORTS ARE INTENDED TO UPHOLD THE SAFETY, WELFARE, AND OVERALL WELLBEING OF THE RESIDENTS, THE WORKFORCE, AND THE VISITORS. UH, DURING THIS PROCESS, I WILL OPEN IT UP AFTER EACH ITEM TO PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, FOR THOSE OF THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE PRESENT HERE, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, COMMENTS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. UM, AND WE WILL ALSO DO SAME FOR THOSE THAT ARE JOINING ONLINE, IF THERE ARE ANY. UH, OUR FIRST [ Consent Agenda: All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'M MY WRONG PIECE OF PAPER HERE. UH, CONSENT AGENDA NUMBER ONE, CONSIDER ACTION ON THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 21ST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. ANY COMMENTS TO THOSE COMMENTS TO THOSE MINUTES? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HAVING SEEN NONE, IT PASSES APPROVED. UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, [2. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to amend the permitted use and development standards for Planned Development, Ordinance Nos. 085-100 and 095-035, for a 2.42± acre property generally located at the northwest corner of Landmark Place and Dallas Parkway, and addressed as 14841 North Dallas Parkway. Case 1951-Z/Aberdeen PD Amendment. ] HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST. AMEND THE PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT. ORDINANCE NUMBER 0 85 DASH 109 AND 0 95 DASH 0 3 5 FOR A 2.42 APPROXIMATE ACRE PROPERTY. GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF LANDMARK PLACE IN DALLAS PARKWAY AND ADDRESSED AS 1 48 41 NORTH DALLAS PARKWAY CASE, 1951 DASH THE ABERDEEN PD AMENDMENT. OH, CORY. HI. SORRY, NOT THE FACE I WAS EXPECTING. WELCOME, COREY. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. NO PROBLEM. UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, COREY BECK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. TONIGHT AS, UM, COM, COM CHAIR. UH, RED, WE HAVE A PD AMENDMENT FOR, UM, AB, THE ABERDEEN BUILDING. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO ADD ADDITIONAL USES TO THEIR PD. UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROPERTY HISTORY AND THE ZONING. UM, IT, BEFORE 1985, THIS PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNATED INDUSTRIAL AND THAT JUST ALLOWED TYPICAL INDUSTRIAL USES. IN 1985, UH, WE HAD OUR FIRST PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS THAT ESTABLISHED, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL PERMITTED USES AND THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. AND THEN IN 1995, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT DID ALLOW FOR A NEW PARKING RATIO TO BE, UM, UH, INCLUDED. AND NOW THE PROPOSAL IS TO, UH, ALLOW FOR A BROADER RANGE OF USES. UM, BOTH PDS ARE ACTUALLY IN EFFECT TODAY. UM, SO THAT IS WHY THERE IS BOTH OF THOSE LISTED. THE CURRENT PERMITTED USES ARE OFFICE AND RESTAURANT. UM, RESTAURANT, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY 12,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING. UM, AND IT IS IN, UH, I ADDED A GRAPHIC TO IT THAT SHOWS IN THE GRAY HATCH AREA THAT IS WHERE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE RESTAURANT, UM, SPACE WAS. AND THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING IS ROUGHLY 355,000, UM, SQUARE FEET. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY, UH, PIZZA HUTS TEST KITCHEN FOR A WHILE, . SO, UH, THAT IS WHY THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE, UM, RESTAURANTS WITHIN THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. SO, AS I MENTIONED, OFFICE AND RESTAURANT ARE CURRENTLY THE ONLY PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE PD. UM, HOWEVER, THE PROPOSAL IS TO CONTINUE HAVING OFFICE AND CONTINUE HAVING RESTAURANT. UM, HOWEVER, RESTAURANT USE IS PROPOSED TO FOLLOW OUR EXISTING STANDARDS, UH, LIKE ALL OF OUR OTHER RESTAURANTS WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THAT'S JUST TO, UM, UH, RESTAURANTS THAT ARE OPERATING, UH, BEFORE 11:00 PM OR AFTER 11:00 PM [00:05:01] REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND THAT AMPLIFIED SOUND IS TURNED OFF AFTER 11:00 PM THOSE ARE BOTH CONSISTENT WITH OUR USE SPECIFIC USE STANDARDS FOR RESTAURANTS TODAY. THE NEXT USE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD IS DAYCARE CENTER FOR ADULT OR CHILD. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCLUDE THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE LISTED HERE. THEY DO FOLLOW VERY CLOSELY WITH WHAT IS IN THE UDC, HOWEVER THEY ARE. THE UDC IS STILL GEARED TOWARDS OUR MIXED USE DISTRICTS. HOWEVER, WE STILL FELT THAT THEY WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PD AS WELL. AND I DO HAVE A, I DO HAVE SLIDES THAT SHOW THE, UH, DEFINITION FOR ALL OF THEM AFTER THE, UM, LIST OF PERMITTED USES. ADDITIONALLY, UM, PROPOSAL TO ADD A SCHOOL FOR VOCATIONAL OR TRADE SCHOOLS, UM, AGAIN, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, FOR, UH, WHICH IS VERY, IS SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ON OUR CURRENT, UM, FOR A BASE DISTRICT IN THE UDC ADDITIONALLY MEDICAL CLINICS. UM, THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THAT WOULD BE THAT FREESTANDING MEDICAL CLINICS ARE NOT PERMITTED, MEANING THE ENTIRE BUILDING COULD NOT BECOME A MEDICAL CLINIC . UH, AND THEN ALSO THAT MEDICAL CLINICS ARE NOT TO EXCEED, UM, THAT DO EXCEED 3000 SQUARE FEET WILL REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO IF THERE IS ONE THAT IS A LARGER THAN THAT, UM, AND WOULD REQUIRE, UH, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE NEXT FOUR ARE PER, ARE PROPOSED TO BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT, AND THAT'S RECREATION FACILITY, INDOORS, BANK OR FI, FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, PERSONAL SERVICES AND RETAIL SALES UP TO, UP TO OR LESS THAN, UH, 15,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THE LAST ONE IS, UM, A DATA CENTER. UH, THIS ONE WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PER THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS. AND, UM, AS IN THE UDC, ALL ACTIVITIES ARE WITH COMPLETELY WITHIN THE STRUCTURE, UM, EXCLUDING ANY GENERATORS. SO, UM, SO I KNOW WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THE, UH, USES THE DEFINITIONS OF THE USES THEMSELVES. THERE IS A LOT , THEY'RE IN THE SAME ORDER THAT I PRESENTED THEM. UM, SO OFFICE IS OUR STANDARD, UM, OFFICE, UM, WITH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT, UM, UH, INDIVIDUAL PROFESSIONAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED. RESTAURANT IS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT SELLS, UH, FOOD OR BEVERAGES, UM, THAT'S READY TO CONSUME. THIS WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE BAKERIES, UM, WHICH MAY NOT, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT EAT ON SITE. UM, BUT IT WOULD STILL INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL AS, UH, COFFEE SHOPS, CAFES. UM, A DAYCARE CENTER IS A PLACE WHERE ELDERLY OR CHILDREN, UM, ARE PROVIDED FOR CARE FOR LESS THAN 24 HOURS. UM, SO IT IS, AND IT IS STILL MANDATED OR HAS STATE MANDATES. UM, SO IT WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ANY AND ALL STATE MANDATES FOR THE SCHOOL. VOCATIONAL OR TRADE. UM, THIS WOULD BE A PRIVATE OR A PUBLIC, UH, ENTITY THAT OFFERS PROFESSIONAL, VOCATIONAL OR TECHNICAL, UM, TRAINING. UM, WE HAD ANOTHER ONE COME THROUGH THAT WAS GRADUATE, GRADUATE AMERICA, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE. UM, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A, UH, A SCHOOL VOCATIONAL OR TRADE. SO ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THAT. THEN THE MEDICAL CLINIC, THIS IS WHERE, UM, UH, THERE IS, UH, PA PATIENT CARE, UM, WITH PHYSICIANS, DENTISTS, OR OTHER HEALTHCARE PRACTITIONERS. UM, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND A HOSPITAL IS THAT MEDICAL CLINICS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE 24 7. THEY DO NOT HAVE AMBULATORY UH, SERVICES. UM, SO, UH, SO THEY'RE ON A LOWER LEVEL, UH, INTENSITY, UH, RECREATIONAL FACILITY, INDOOR IS COMMERCIAL. RECREATIONAL USES INCLUDES A VERY WIDE RANGE OF, UH, ENTERTAINMENT USES. UH, BUT THIS WOULD ALSO BE INCLUSIVE OF PICKLEBALL COURTS OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINES AS WELL. UM, UH, BANK OR FINANCIAL INSTITUTE, BANKS, WHERE'D YOU PUT YOUR, PUT YOUR MONEY AT . UH, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE CREDIT A ACCESS BUSINESSES, UM, BUT CAN BE HAVE, UM, UH, AUTOMATIC ATMS AND, UH, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, THEN THERE WAS QUESTIONS ON PERSONAL SERVICES. THIS ONE IS KIND OF A CATCHALL FOR ANYTHING THAT IS NOT RETAIL OR ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IN COMMERCIAL USES . SO, UM, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE THINGS LIKE BEAUTY SHOPS, BARBERSHOPS, SHOE REPAIR, UM, SHIPPING PLACES, HEALTH SPAS, UM, MASSAGE THERAPY, UM, UM, SEAMSTRESS, UM, REPAIR AND SMALL APPLIANCE REPAIR. UM, A LOT OF THINGS [00:10:01] . IT'S KIND OF THE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THAT CATCHALL FOR, UM, FOR MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD, UM, UH, RECE LIKE RECEIVE SERVICES FROM. BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE LAUND MATS. SO THERE IS THAT DIFFERENCE. AND THEN RETAIL SALES IS, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS WHERE, UH, YOU, WHERE SOMEONE IS SELLING GOODS OR MERCHANDISE TO THE PUBLIC, THIS ONE WOULD BE LIMITED TO THAT 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM. UM, FOR BEFORE IT WOULD BE GOING TO, UH, PRO, UH, BEFORE IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED. SO IF IT'S OVER 15,000, IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. AND THEN A DATA CENTER IS THE FACILITY THAT FOR HOUSING COMPUTER SYSTEMS AND ASSOCIATED, UM, COMPONENTS AND TELE TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. UM, AND THIS WOULD, UH, LIKE I SAID, WOULD REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, IF THE PD AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED. THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS A HIGH INTENSITY URBAN CENTER, WHICH, UM, WANTS TO THAT, THAT PLACE TYPE PRIORITIZES PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY WITH GROUND FLOOR USES AND CONNECTIONS TO THE PUBLIC REALM. THE SPECTRUM OF CHANGE MAP, UM, WHICH IS NOT SHOWN HERE, DOES DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS A DEVELOP SLASH REDEVELOP AREA, WHICH JUST MEANS THAT IT'S READY FOR SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT, UM, AND LOOKING TO INCREASE THE, UM, USES THAT ARE IN THE AREA TO ALIGN WITH ITS PLACE TYPE. UM, SO THIS PD AMENDMENT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT SPECTRUM OF CHANGE, UH, DESIGNATION. AND AS FAR AS THE ADJACENT LAND USES, THIS PD AMENDMENT IS, UM, IN, IN LINE WITH ALL OF THESE SURROUNDING USES, WHICH WOULD BE RESTAURANTS, UM, OFFICE SPACE, RETAIL, OTHER PERSONAL SERVICES ACROSS THE, UM, HIGHWAY. WE HAVE A VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, WHICH HAS A MAJORITY OF THESE ITEMS AS WELL. UM, AS WELL AS HOTELS THAT ARE CLOSE BY STAFF DID NOTICE, UM, WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WAS FIVE RECIPIENTS. WE HAVE NOT HEARD, UM, ANYTHING FROM THOSE RECIPIENTS AND WE HAVE REVIEWED IT AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH OUR TOWN POLICIES AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, UM, AS WELL AS WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO, IF THE APPLICANT'S HERE, I'D LIKE TO, UM, FOLLOW UP JUST TO GET A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF A COUPLE OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT THAT ARE BROADER. WE TALKED IN OUR WORK SESSIONS, SO THE RECREATIONAL FACILITY BANK OR FINANCIAL PERSONAL SERVICES AND RETAIL SALES, JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO, IF ANYTHING AT THIS STAGE. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS FOR CORY FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION OR, YEAH, I'VE GOT TO THE PODIUM. GO AHEAD. THANKS, DENISE. OH YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUICK ONE. UM, SO REGARDING DATA CENTERS FOR THE TOWN'S DEFINITION, THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND LIKE THE TYPICAL NETWORKING STUFF YOU'D HAVE IN AN OFFICE, LIKE IN AN IT CLOSET. OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND DOES THAT INCLUDE ANY AMOUNT OF ON-PREM STUFF OR IS THAT THERE A THRESHOLD OF SERVER SIZE? SORRY, THAT'S A VERY DATA. IT'S MY BAD. CAN YOU REPEAT ? NO, NO. SO LIKE, UM, BACK IN THE OLD DAYS THEY WOULD USED TO HAVE SERVERS ON SITE. UM, DOES THAT, IS THAT COUNTED? UM, UNDER THIS? OKAY. I WOULDN'T THINK SO. UM, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, OR THE DE THE DEFINITION OF IT WAS MORE INTENSIVE WITH, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS DATA, LARGE DATA CENTERS, RIGHT? NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE A LARGE DATA CENTER, BUT, UM, THAT IT COULD GO, THE DEFINITION WOULD ALLOW FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY, COOL. SO, WHICH IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, UH, REQUIREMENT WOULD THEN YOU GUYS WOULD SEE IT AGAIN IF THAT WERE EVER SOMETHING THAT THE TENANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS INTERESTED IN INSTALLING. COOL. THANK YOU. UH, JIMMY COREY, QUICK QUESTION. SIMILAR TO OUR DISCUSSION LAST MONTH, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE RECREATION FACILITY DEFINITION, WE HAVE ASSEMBLY HALLS, BILLIARDS, ET CETERA. ARE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UH, AT THIS LOCATION, DO THEY HAVE ANY HOURLY RESTRICTIONS? OPERATIONS? NONE. THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD NOT, UM, UH, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT. HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, UM, THEY WOULD BE OVER IMPLEMENTING, UM, THAT IN THEIR LEASES WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CORY? OKAY, THAT, THANKS COREY. IF THE APPLICANT'S HERE, COULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM? HI, UH, MY NAME IS SALLY. SUCH I AM PART OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM AT, UM, THE ABERDEEN BUILDING. [00:15:01] MY ADDRESS, UM, FOR BUSINESS IS 1 4 8 0 1 CORRUM DRIVE, AND AMANDA ACEVEDO ALSO WORK FOR THE BUILDING OWNER IN THE ABERDEEN, UM, SAME COMPANY ADDRESS 1 4 8 0 1 QUORUM DRIVE. OKAY. I'LL FIRST ASK, DID YOU HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION OR JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? JUST NO. OKAY. ALRIGHTYY, SO I'LL OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH, JUST TO REPEAT, I'M CURIOUS, YOUR EXHIBIT A IS PRETTY SPECIFIC AS TO USES, SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINED IN TERMS OF LIMITATIONS. SEVERAL ARE. SO, UH, THE, UH, RECREATIONAL FACILITY, THE BANKER, FINANCIAL PERSONAL SERVICES, AND RETAIL SALES. CAN YOU GIVE US A PERSPECTIVE AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME, AND IT MAY BE EARLY FOR YOU, BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF USES YOU WOULD PUT IN POTENTIALLY WITH THAT IN THOSE BUCKETS? SO ONE EXAMPLE, WE JUST MOVED THAT BOX INTO THE ABERDEEN BUILDING, THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS OFFICE, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO OPEN UP LIKE A SHOWROOM TO, TO OFFER TO CLIENTS OR PEOPLE COMING IN TO TEST OUT, YOU KNOW, GOLF SIMULATORS OR BAT SIMULATORS. WE'VE SEEN A BIG CHANGE, UM, IN SOME OF THE, THE PROSPECTS THAT WE'RE GETTING WITH THE WORK FROM HOME. WE'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF LARGE OFFICE TENANTS COMING BACK IN, BUT MORE SPECIAL USES. AND SO WE'VE SOME, UM, PRETTY IN DEPTH MEETINGS ON RESTRUCTURING ABERDEEN AS THE MID, THE MID DALLAS TOLL ROAD BECOMES REALLY THE HOTSPOT TO BE FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES, YOU KNOW, BANKS BRINGING, ALSO SOME OF THESE TENANTS WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE AS ALSO BUILDING AMENITIES, UH, INTO THE BUILDING. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOST SOME BIG, LARGE TENANTS THERE, SO WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN CREATIVE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF ADDISON. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA OPEN A POOL HALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK MOST OF THESE WOULD STEM FROM A, LIKE A, A TENANT THAT WAS OPERATING A BUSINESS OR A SERVICE TO A TENANT IN THAT CAPACITY. SO THANK YOU. AND OUR BUILDING HOURS, THE, THE DOORS LOCK AT I BELIEVE 7:00 PM YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THE WEEKENDS OR HAVING A, YOU KNOW, A CLUB GO ON AFTER, AFTER BUSINESS HOURS ARE OVER. SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST BEEN APPROACHED BY, LIKE, WE MET WITH THE LADY TODAY THAT'S, UM, SHE'S WORKING WITH A LOT OF PLASTIC SURGEONS ON, ON TATTOOING FOR MEDICAL USES WITH WOMEN WITH BREAST CANCER AND SCARRING AND ACCIDENTS AND STUFF. AND TO NOT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, OFFER A SPACE AT THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT MAXIMIZING THE GROWTH IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THESE PEOPLE TO RUN THEIR BUSINESSES. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. HI, GOOD EVENING. UM, UH, YEAH, NICE TO MEET Y'ALL. UM, WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE RATIONALE FOR, UM, INCLUDING DATA CENTERS IN THE USE. UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD, WHEN WE SAT WITH, UM, LESLIE AND COREY AND WENT THROUGH KIND OF THE LISTS OF WHAT IFS DOWN THE ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN APPROACHED BY ANY DATA CENTER. I MANAGED, UM, HOSTING.COM DOWN AT 1807 ROSS, WHICH WAS A HUGE DATA CENTER WITH CRACK UNITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D EVER GO TO THAT EXTREME, BUT I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT OPEN BECAUSE WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS AI AND ALL THIS STUFF, I MEAN, THERE'S CERTAINLY A GREAT NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THESE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE LIKE THE WHOLE BUILDING WOULD BE CONVERTED INTO A, A MASSIVE DATA CENTER OR ANYTHING. OKAY, GOOD TO KNOW. YEAH. 'CAUSE I'M ON THE DATA ENGINEERING AND I'M NOT AN INFRA GUY, BUT YEAH. UM, IN MY DAY JOB. SO I WAS CURIOUS, SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, IN, IN A LOT OF CASES YOU'D BE WILLING TO SHARE THE BUILDING SO THAT WE'D STILL HAVE A MIX OF TENANTS AND WE WOULDN'T JUST YEAH, SO IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, I'M MORE LIKE SERVICE DRIVEN RIGHT. IN THE TENANTS AS WELL, ALONG WITH SOME OFFICE STUFF, BUT, YEAH. OKAY. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. I, I THINK HAVING A VARIETY OF USES SO YOU CAN KIND OF ADAPT TO ANY GIVEN MARKET. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. IT IT CONSIDERING THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, A DENTIST OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, A DAYCARE CENTER OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. YEAH, EXACTLY. UM, AND, AND, AND THIS IS BEYOND POLICY, BUT AS SOMEBODY WHO IS GONNA FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO NEVER HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE OFFICE FIVE DAYS A WEEK, IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME GO, YEAH, I'D LIKE A DOC, A DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND A DAYCARE CENTER IS A PLUS. SO I I SEE WHERE YOU ALL GOING. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S OUR ULTIMATE GOAL THROUGHOUT, I MEAN ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE, WE WORK ON, UM, JUST KIND OF TO BROADEN THE TENANTS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BRING IN AND ATTRACT AND YEAH. SUPER. THANK YOU. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY THANK YOU. [00:20:02] AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE ON. UH, DOES ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, EITHER IN PERSON OR IN LINE? NO ONE IN PERSON. AND NO ONE IN LINE. OKAY. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. IS THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT? OKAY, HAVING SEEN NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF CASE 1 9 5 1 Z ABERDEEN PD AMENDMENT. I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HAVING HEARD? UH, MOTION CARRIES. SO CONGRATULATIONS. YOU GOT YOUR, UM, REZONING FROM US. NOW YOU GO TO COUNCIL. OKAY. NUMBER ITEM NUMBER THREE, [3. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to rezone a 4.7± acre property generally located north and east of Landmark Boulevard, boarding the Addison town boundary on the west and the Dallas North Tollway to the east, addressed as 14651 Dallas Parkway, from Planned Development (PD) to a new Planned Development (PD) district to allow for a development comprised of 365 multifamily dwelling units, 10 condominium townhomes, 5 live/work units, office uses, and associated private open space and common areas, through the approval of development plans and standards. Case 1949-Z/The Princeton. ] HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE A 4.7 APPROXIMATE ACRE PROPERTY. GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH AND EAST OF LANDMARK BOULEVARD, BOARDING THE ADDISON TOWN BOUN BOUNDARY ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE NORTH DALLAS TOLL ROAD TO THE EAST, ADDRESSED AS 1 46 51 DALLAS PARKWAY. FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF 365 MULTI-DWELLING UNITS, 10 CONDOMINIUM HOMES, TOWN HOMES, FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS, OFFICE USES, AND ASSOCIATED PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND COMMON AREA THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND STANDARDS CASE 1949 DASH C, THE PRINCETON, UH, LESLIE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR REPORT. THANK YOU. LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS REQUEST IS, UH, FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO ALLOW A VARIETY OF USES INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, UM, AND ASSOCIATED, UH, OPEN SPACE AS WELL. UM, THE CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING WOULD BE TO TAKE ACTION ON THE, UM, POTENTIAL OR THE PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT REZONING AND ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE PROJECT. SO JUST A QUICK RECAP. UH, THIS, UM, PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, UM, A PORTION OF IT IS LOCATED IN FARMER'S BRANCH. UM, AND I HAVE A, AN IMAGE IN JUST A MOMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY OF FARMER'S BRANCH TO ALLOW 135 MULTIFAMILY UNITS ABOVE THE EXISTING PARKING GARAGE. AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY FARMER'S BRANCH CITY COUNCIL IN AUGUST OF 2025. UM, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE APPLICANT DID BRING FORWARD A REQUEST AND, UH, TO, UM, THE ADDISON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN AUGUST OF 2025 AS WELL. THAT INCLUDED A USE THAT WAS A JUST MULTIFAMILY RENTAL, AND THAT WAS, UM, ULTIMATELY DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL. UM, THEY DID NOT CHOOSE TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE COME FORWARD AND REAPPLIED WITH A NEW REZONING REQUEST TO INCLUDE A MIXTURE OF USES INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY TOWN, HOME, CONDOMINIUM OFFICE, AND LIVE WORK UNITS AS WELL. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ZONING HISTORY FOR THE SITE. UM, SO IN 1979, UH, WAS REZONED TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE CURRENT ZONING TODAY, UH, ORDINANCE 79 DASH FIVE SEVEN. AND IN 1981, THE PRINCETON OFFICE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS IMAGE HERE. UH, IT STILL EXISTS TODAY, UH, HOWEVER IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT. UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE REQUEST WOULD REZONE THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW THAT EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING TO BE LEVELED AND REDEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR ON THE SITE. UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY IS A SPLIT BETWEEN TWO PARCELS AS WELL AS SPLIT BETWEEN TWO JURISDICTIONS. UH, THE PORTION IN BLUE, UM, W WHICH IS WITHIN ADDISON, AND THAT IS THE, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. UM, AND THEN THE PORTION IN GREEN IS WITHIN THE CITY OF FARMER'S BRANCH. AND THAT IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE, UM, FARMER'S GRANT CITY COUNCIL. UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL THIS EVENING. UM, IT IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE 4.7 ACRE SITE. UM, THERE IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A MULTI PRIMARY, PRIMARY MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING 365 UNITS WITHIN THAT BUILDING. UM, IN ADDITION, WITHIN THAT PRIMARY BUILDING, UM, THERE ALSO INCLUDES FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS. THOSE ARE SHOWN IN DARK BLUE, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THAT BUILDING. UM, IN ADDITION, THERE ARE, UH, 10, UM, IN A SEPARATE BUILDING, BUT THERE ARE 10 ATTACHED TOWN HOME CONDOMINIUMS. UM, THOSE ARE SHOWN IN ORANGE ON THE FAR, UM, SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, SEPARATE FROM THE PRIMARY MULTIFAMILY, MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. UM, ADDITIONALLY IN THE TOP, UH, RIGHT HAND CORNER, EXCUSE ME, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, THERE IS 3000 SQUARE FEET OF EXECUTIVE OFFICE SPACE THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR, UH, LEASE. [00:25:01] AND THEN, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL AMENITIES ON THE SITE INCLUDE, UH, JUST OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF AMENITY AREA, UM, AND GROUND FLOOR LEASING SPACE, AN INTERIOR, UM, PRIVATE COURTYARD, UM, INTERIOR TO THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, AS WELL AS SOME PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS IN, UM, THE, UH, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, UH, ADJACENT TO THE TOWN HOME UNITS. UM, ANOTHER THING TO NOTE IS THERE ARE PROVIDING A VARIETY OF PARKING ON SITE, UM, SOME ON ONSITE, SOME ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WITHIN THE EXISTING PARKING GARAGE THAT IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN. THERE ARE SEVEN ON STREET PARKING SPACES PROPOSED ON LANDMARK, WHICH IS SOUTH OF THE TOWN HOME UNITS. THERE'S ALSO 18, UM, OFF STREET SURFACE PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY NORTH OF THE BUILDING. THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. EACH TOWN HOME ALSO INCLUDES A TWO CAR ENCLO ENCLOSED GARAGE, WHICH WOULD BE 20 SPACES. AND THEN, UM, THE, UM, 1,209 SPACES, WHICH ARE EXIST TODAY WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE THAT WOULD ALSO BE USED TO SERVE, UM, THE SITE. SO JUST BRIEFLY, UM, WE, UH, STAFF HAD A REQUEST FROM A COMMISSIONER TO JUST BRIEFLY COVER WHAT THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL WAS. UM, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE FORMER PROPOSAL. THIS IS NOT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THIS EVENING. JUST WANNA VERY BRIEFLY, UM, SHARE WHAT THAT PROPOSAL INCLUDED. UM, THAT PROPOSAL INCLUDED A FOUR THOU, EXCUSE ME, 400 UNITS, UM, WITHIN A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. UM, SIMILAR SAME AMOUNT OF GROUND FLOOR LEASING, AN AMENITY SPACE, JUST OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND, UH, TWO INTERIOR PRIVATE COURTYARD SPACES. AND THERE IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING, UM, EXCUSE ME, LESS PARKING IN THIS FORMER PROPOSAL. MORE PARKING TODAY, UM, INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL TOWN HOME, THE 20 ADDITIONAL SPACES FOR THE TOWN HOME UNITS. SO THAT'S WHERE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE COMES INTO PLAY REGARDING THE PARKING OF THE FORMER PLAN TO THE, THE NEW PLAN. ONCE AGAIN, JUST, UH, VIEWING THEM SIDE BY SIDE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SCALE AND, AND THE DIFFERENCE OF THOSE USES. SO BRIEFLY JUST WANNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE APPROVED SITE PLAN ON FARMERS BRANCH AND WHAT THAT INCLUDES. UM, THIS SITE IS JUST OVER TWO ACRES IN SIZE. UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING THREE STORIES OF MULTI-FAMILY ON TOP OF THE EXISTING FIVE STORY MULTI-FAMILY, EXCUSE ME, FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE, 135 UNITS TOTAL. A VARIETY OF STUDIO, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS. UM, THEY AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY'RE USING SHARED BETWEEN ADDISON AND FARMER'S BRANCH, THE PARKING GARAGE, BUT THEY WILL ALSO HAVE SIX ON STREET PARKING SPACES, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF THAT BUILDING. UM, SOLID WASTE IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, AS WELL AS A PORTION OF THAT STAGING AREA IS ALSO LOCATED IN ADDISON FOR PICKUP. UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THE FARMER'S BRANCH AND ADDISON BUILDINGS, UM, ARE LINKED BY TWO PROPOSED SKY BRIDGES ACROSS THOSE TWO. UM, THE, THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE PARKING GARAGE AS WELL AS THE MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE, THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THE TOWN HOME BUILDING. UM, AND JUST FOR NOTE, THOSE ARE, THOSE DO MEET MINIMUM CLEARANCE FOR A FIRE LANE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO, UM, KIND OF ALREADY COVERED PARKING, BUT JUST WANNA KIND OF QUICKLY SHARE, UM, THAT THE PROPOSED PARKING DOES EXCEED OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT BY OVER 500 PARKING SPACES. UM, THIS DOES EXCEED OUR MAXIMUM ALLOWED PARKING TO NOTE, WHICH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, DOES ALLOW A A MAXIMUM OF 125%. SO JUST AS A NOTE, UM, TO THAT, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'LL ALSO BE A HUNDRED BICYCLE PARKING SPACES PROVIDED PER, WHICH IS ONCE AGAIN PER, UM, THE CODE, WHICH IS 20% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING, AS WELL AS A MINIMUM OF 15 EV CHARGING SPACES, WHICH IS ALSO REQUIRED BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING, THIS IS, UM, FAIRLY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW, UM, PREVIOUSLY AS FAR AS STREET SCAPE IS, UH, UM, CONCERNED. HOWEVER, UH, PROBABLY THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IS THE INTERIOR COURTYARD AS WELL AS THE NEW, UM, APPROXIMATELY 7,000 SQUARE FOOT PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC SPACE, UM, ADJACENT TO THE TOWN HOME UNITS YOU SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER. UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE ON THIS SITE. UM, THERE'S JUST OVER ONE ACRE OF OPEN SPACE PROVIDED APPROXIMATELY 23% OF THE SITE AREA. UM, I MENTIONED THERE'S THAT OPEN SPACE, THAT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE AS WELL. THEY ARE, UM, PROPOSING TWO PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE ART PIECES ON SITE, ONE WITHIN THAT PARKLET, AND THEN ONE, UM, AT THE FAR NORTH, UH, EAST CORNER AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING, UH, TO THE MAIN LEASING AREA. THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE [00:30:01] UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, AN URBAN STREET SCAPE THAT INCLUDES STREET TREES AND OTHER PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, UM, SUCH AS BENCHES, UH, LIGHTING, TRASH AND SO FORTH. UM, THE PRIVATE AMENITIES PROPOSED, UH, WITHIN THAT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT AREA INCLUDE, UM, WELL IN THE, THE POOL IN THE COURTYARD, BUT THEN, UM, WITHIN THAT, UM, AMENITY AREA, FITNESS CENTER, CLUBHOUSE, DOG WASH, UM, GAME ROOM, AND THE PUBLIC ART AS WELL. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, FACADE. THEY, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE THE FACADE PLANS PER, UM, OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR A PD. THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE SEVEN STORIES APPROXIMATELY 85 FEET IN HEIGHT. UM, A VARIETY OF MATERIALS INCLUDING BRICK GLAZING, STUCCO, AND, UM, FIBER SMIT PANEL. THE TOTAL MASONRY COVERAGE, DEPENDING UPON THE FACADE RANGES FROM 29 TO 45% FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING. MANY OF THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WILL HAVE ACCESS, UM, DIRECT ACCESS TO THE EXTERIOR VIA A PATIO AND SO FORTH. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF BOTH RECESSED AND PROJECTING BALCONIES THROUGHOUT THE FACADE AS WELL TO PROVIDE, UM, ARTICULATION. AND HERE ARE THE OTHER TWO FACADES IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER THAT IS THE FACADE, WHICH FACES TOWARDS THE PARKING GARAGE FOR REFERENCE. YOU SEE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS NUMBER OF WINDOWS AND GLAZING ON THAT FACADE. AND THEN THESE ARE THE PROPOSED TOWNHOME UM, FACADES. SO THESE ARE THREE STORIES, UH, 35 FEET, UH, TALL. THEY, UM, PROVIDE SIMILAR, UM, MATERIAL BUILDING MATERIALS INCLUDING BRICK GLAZING STUCCO, AND FIVE CEMENT PANEL. UM, THESE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MASONRY COVERAGE, UH, RANGING FROM 46 TO 99% COVERAGE DEPENDING UPON THE FACADE. UM, THEY ARE REAR ENTRY WITH THE FRONTS OF THE TOWNHOMES FACING SOUTH ONTO, UH, WHAT WOULD BE OR WHAT IS LANDMARK BOULEVARD. AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UNIT MIX OF THE PROJECT. SO MENTIONED THERE'S 365 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THEY ARE OFFERING STUDIO ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS, UH, PRIMARILY ONE BEDROOM TWO 19. UH, THE AVERAGE SIZE FOR THESE UNITS IS 900 SQUARE FEET AS WELL. UH, THEY ARE PROVIDING 10 TOWNHOME UNITS. THOSE ARE TWO BEDROOM, UH, FLOOR PLAN WITH A STUDY. AND UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE TWO CAR PARKING GARAGE AND THE GROUND FLOOR, THOSE ARE JUST OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. AND THEN THE, UH, FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS, UM, THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE 810 SQUARE FEET. THEY ARE ONE BEDROOM WITH THE OFFICE SPACE, APPROXIMATELY 300 SQUARE FEET DEDICATED TO THE OFFICE. PORTION OF THAT, THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO COMPLY WITH THE, UM, US GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL BRONZE STATUS AS WELL AS ENERGY STAR STANDARDS, UM, FOR APPLIANCES AND SO FORTH. AND AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY ARE, UM, COMMITTED TO PROVIDING A MINIMUM OF 3%, UM, EV PARKING FOR EV CHARGERS. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH TOWN POLICIES AND STANDARDS. UM, STAFF DID REVIEW THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVANCE ADDISON 2050, THE HOUSING POLICY, AS WELL AS OUR VARIOUS OTHER MASTER PLANS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE PLACE TYPE WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, SO THIS IS WITHIN THE HIGH INTENSITY URBAN CENTER PLACE TYPE. UM, THIS IS GENERALLY ALONG THE BOUNDARY OF THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY WITHIN ADDISON. UM, AND THIS IS REALLY OUR HIGHEST DENSITY, MOST INTENSE AREA, UM, AS OUTLINED BY THE PLACE TYPE. THIS DESIGN IS, UH, REALLY INTENDED TO, UM, TARGET AND, UM, CHAMPION PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS AND PEDESTRIANS GENERALLY AS THE PRINCIPAL USER, UM, ACTIVATE GROUND FLOOR AND OTHERWISE, UM, AND LOGICALLY CONNECT WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE CORRIDOR WHAT'S THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS ATTEMPTED TO DO TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY AS FAR AS THE SPECTRUM OF CHANGE IS CONCERNED, UH, WHICH OUTLINES A DEVELOP, UM, REDEVELOP OR RETAIN, THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS A DEVELOP OR REDEVELOP SCENARIO, UM, GIVEN ITS ITS AGE, UM, OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HOUSING POLICY, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2017 AND, UH, REAFFIRMED UNDER THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVANCE ADDISON. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPONENTS IN, IN THIS, UH, HOUSING POLICY, WHICH ARE, UH, NOT ACHIEVED WITH THIS PROPOSAL. UM, THE FIRST BEING AN INCREASE OF PROPORTION OF FEE, SIMPLE OWNERSHIP IN ADDISON. UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF STATISTICS ON THAT IN THE COMING SLIDES. UM, SOME OTHER COMPONENTS IS, UM, FOCUSING ON INDEPENDENT OR ASSISTED LIVING, WHICH ONCE AGAIN, THIS, UH, REQUEST IS NOT AS WELL. AND SOME OTHER ITEMS INCLUDE, UH, REALLY SUPPORTING WALKABILITY AND URBAN CHARACTER. AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, MAKING SURE THIS PROJECT IS EXCEPTIONAL AND, UH, [00:35:01] IS THE BEST FIT AND HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. SO THOSE ARE COMPONENTS, SOME COMPONENTS THAT, UM, STAFF LOOKED AT WHEN EVALUATING THIS. SO AS MENTIONED, THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT INCREASE THE PROPORTION OF FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP. UM, IT DOES IMPROVE WALKABILITY. UH, ONE CONCERN STAFF DOES HAVE IS THAT THERE ARE MAJOR SIGNIFICANT CONNECTIONS DO REQUIRE, UM, COMPLIANCE OR COOPERATION RATHER WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, AND PER THE PROPOSED PD, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO SECURE THAT COOPERATION, THAT THE CONNECTIVITY NOT BE REQUIRED. UM, THAT IS A CONCERN FOR STAFF AS THOSE CONNECTIVITY POINTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PROJECT. ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS THAT MAY BE EVALUATED BY THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL. IF, UH, YOU ALL WISH TO DEEM THIS PROJECT EXCEPTIONAL MAY INCLUDE, UM, THE MIXTURE OF USES OFFERED ON THE SITE, UM, THE ADDITION OF THE PRIVATELY OWNED AND MAINTAINED PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AND, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, ACHIEVED AN URBAN CHARACTER, UM, AND WHERE FEASIBLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE SITE. OKAY, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, OWNERSHIP, UM, CONVERSATION MENTIONED. SO HERE IS AT THE TOP YOU HAVE OUR EXISTING HOUSING COUNT. THIS IS EXISTING RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UM, EITHER HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR ARE ABLE TO BE OCCUPIED. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE UNITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ARE NOT ABLE TO BE INHABITED. THE SECOND IS ALL EXISTING PLUS THE ENTITLED UNITS. THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, AND COULD IN THE FUTURE FEASIBLY BE OCCUPIED. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS THE CHANGE OF THE CURRENT PROPOSAL TODAY. SO YOU SEE, UM, THERE IS A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE RENTAL, UM, PROPORTION TO OWNERSHIP WITH THIS REQUEST. AND THEN A QUICK DENSITY COMPARISON. UM, I DID PUT A NOTE HERE, UM, AS A SUB-BULLET. THE PREVIOUS REQUEST WAS 85.1 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, AND THIS IS ADDISON ONLY, THE ADDISON ONLY PORTION. UM, THIS REQUEST TONIGHT IS AT 81 UNIT, SO THEY DID DECREASE THE DENSITY SLIGHTLY. THE, UH, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES, THE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE. AND YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL OF THE, UH, DENSITIES OF OTHER SIMILAR USES, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN ADDISON. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS. UM, SO THERE IS ADEQUATE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE FOR THIS SITE. THERE IS NO, UM, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ARE NEEDED TO SERVE THIS SITE. UM, THE PROPOSED, UM, DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT NECESSARILY INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE NEEDED FOR, UM, COMPARED TO WHAT IS THERE TODAY WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE NO ANTICIPATED ISSUES, UH, WITH TOWN SERVICE PROVISIONS OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UM, AND THEN THE ONE ITEM THAT WAS, UM, DISCUSSED AT THE, THE LAST, UM, CONSIDERATION OF, OF A SIM, THE SIMILAR PROJECT WAS TREE MITIGATION. SO THEY HAVE DECREASED SLIGHTLY THE TOTAL, UM, TREE MITIGATION, TREE REMOVAL, EXCUSE ME, PER CALIPER INCH. UM, PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CALIPER INCHES TO BE REMOVED. THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE A COUPLE OF THE TREES ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE WHERE THEY'RE MAIN, UH, MAINTAINING THAT OPEN SPACE AT THE CORNER AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF UNITS. UM, IN FRONT OF THE TOWN HOMES. YOU CAN SEE THOSE SHOWN IN GREEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO MITIGATE 364 CALIBER INCHES ON SITE THROUGH REPLANTING. AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MITIGATE, UM, BF FEE IN LIEU OF, UH, 588.5 CALIBER INCHES, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $113,000 IN MITIGATION FEES. UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE. UM, THIS SITE IS, UM, GENERALLY SHOWN IN RED ON THIS MAP. THIS IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MAP. SO THIS SITE, THE ENTIRETY OF IT, BOTH THE ADDISON AS WELL AS FARMER'S BRANCH PORTION ARE WITHIN THE DALLAS. UM, ISD, UM, THAT BLUE AREA IS WHAT DOES DESIGNATES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE AREA SHOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT IN GREEN IS THE, UM, UH, FARMER'S BRANCH SCHOOL DISTRICT, CARLTON FARMER'S BRANCH, EXCUSE ME. ANOTHER ITEM I WANT TO NOTE, WHICH I BELIEVE THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS WHERE, UM, THE PARK, UM, IMPACT FEES HAVE, UM, PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, BUT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO, UM, RESOLVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PARK IMPACT FEES. THERE ARE TWO REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S THE DEDICATION OF PUBLIC PARK LAND OR A FEE IN LIEU OF THAT DEDICATION AND THEN PAY THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE. SO THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. UM, THERE ARE ALSO PROVISIONS IN THERE, SO ALSO, SORRY, THERE THE APPLICANT HAS [00:40:01] ELECTED TO PAY THE FEE IN LIEU OF, UH, LAND DEDICATION IN THIS INSTANCE. UM, AND THERE IS ALSO A PROVISION WHICH ALLOWS A CREDIT FOR PRIVATELY, UM, OWNED, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SPACE BEING DEDICATED AND PROVIDED, UM, TO OFFSET OR REDUCE THE LOAD ON THE TOWN FACILITIES. SO WITH THIS, ALL IN ALL, UM, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO EXERCISE THAT CREDIT, UH, FOR THAT APPROXIMATELY 7,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT CREDIT WOULD EQUATE TO, UH, APPROXIMATELY $77,000. THE TOTAL FEE, BOTH THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE AS WELL AS THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE WOULD COME OUT TO ROUGHLY $2.9 MILLION TO BE PAID. AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID, UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT FOR, UM, THE PROJECT STAFF DID PROVIDE NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN, UH, 200 FEET OF THE SITE IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW THAT INCLUDED SIX RECIPIENTS. WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK FROM THOSE SIX, SIX RECIPIENTS. UM, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, UM, IN PUBLIC INPUT TODAY. UM, THAT CAME DIRECTLY TO YOUR EMAIL. IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE TWO EMAILS IS, UM, BEFORE YOU ON THE DAIS, UM, FROM ONE RESIDENT WHO IS, UH, AGAINST THIS REQUEST. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE, UM, APPLICANT DID HOST A COMMUNITY MEETING ON APRIL 9TH, UM, AT 5:30 PM THEY HELD AT MAY DRAGON, AND THEY PRESENTED THE PROJECT AS WELL AS, UM, DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL. THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 10 INDIVIDUALS THAT ATTENDED THAT IN ADDITION TO STAFF. UM, THERE WAS KIND OF, UH, BROAD CONCERNS DISCUSSED PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH. SO STAFF, UH, DID EVALUATE THE APPLICATION BASED UPON WHAT IS APPLICABLE WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED, UM, PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE REQUEST. UM, AND WE HAVE DEEMED THAT THEY MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS REQUIRED. UM, ALTHOUGH THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT EXPLICITLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE HOUSING POLICY BY PROVIDING OR INCREASING FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP, THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY CONSIDER BE EXCEPTIONAL SHOULD THEY DEEM. SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, OR EXCUSE ME IF RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THREE CONDITIONS AS PROPOSED, AND THAT IS THAT THE PUBLIC ART BE ACCEPTED BY THE TOWN FORMALLY IN COLLAB COLLABORATION WITH THE ARBOR FOUNDATION, THAT A BUILDING PERMIT MUST BE OBTAINED, UH, FOR THE CONDOM CONDOMINIUM TOWN HOME UNITS PRIOR TO A CO ISSUED FOR THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE. AND THAT ALL SIGNAGE MUST ADHERE TO SECTION 5.9 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A FORMAL PRESENTATION. OKAY. LESLIE, QUESTION FOR YOU, AND MAYBE I OVERLOOKED IT, BUT WHAT WAS YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY REQUIREMENT WITH ADJACENT OWNERS? WHAT WAS THAT? YES, SO THE, LET ME GO TO ONE OF THE PLANS. YES. SO SEVERAL, THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE FARMER'S BRANCH SIDE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL COOPERATION FOR OTHER OWNERS. SO THERE IS, THERE IS SIDEWALK GAPS NORTH OF THE SITE AND THERE IS ALSO ON THE FRONT OF THE SITE ON DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, THERE ARE, I'M GONNA SAY GAPS IN THE SIDEWALK THAT ARE OFF PROPERTY. SO IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED IS WE WILL TRY AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO COORDINATE, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, NO, I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON MY PROPERTY. UM, STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT REALLY DEFEATS THE CONNECTIVITY. UM, AND COULD, UM, I GUESS ONE OF THE PRO, ONE OF THE REASONS IT MAKES THE PROJECT EXCEPTIONAL COULD NO LONGER BE IN, IN EFFECT. THANK YOU. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I'VE GOT A FEW. YEAH. SO DID, DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALK OFF PROPERTY? MM-HMM . WOW. OKAY. THAT'S AWESOME. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY ON THE CONNECTIONS THING, DENISE. BEAT ME TO THAT QUESTION. UM, SO IN THE WORK SESSION WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS SHARED EMS KIND OF THING BETWEEN THE FOUR CITIES IN OUR AREA. AND WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED TOO ABOUT HOW, UM, THEY MAY, AND I'LL CONFIRM THIS WITH THE, THE APPLICANT, THEY MAY PURSUE COMPLETING THE FARMER'S BRANCH SECTION REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO TONIGHT. SO LET'S, LET'S GO WITH THAT SCENARIO. MAYBE, UH, WE SAY WE'RE NOT SURE AND WE'RE EVALUATING THE FACT UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH FARMER'S BRANCH. WE SAID, YOU SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THE SHARING AND THAT ADDISON IS THE PRIMARY FOR THIS PARTICULAR CORRECT. WOULD THAT STILL BE THE CASE IF WE DENIED THEM? CORRECT. OKAY. SO, SO THERE IS AN EXISTING BURDEN [00:45:01] REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH TAX REVENUE WE ALLOW THEM TO BUILD FOR ADDISON. YEAH. AND, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THE QUAD CITIES AGREEMENT. UM, HOWEVER, I DO KNOW THAT IT'S BASED UPON GEOGRAPHIC DISTANCE. OKAY. AND SO THE INTENT IS IF THERE IS A, AN EMERGENCY THAT NEEDS IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE, IT'S GOING TO BE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN RESPOND THE FASTEST. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, JUST DUE TO OUR PROXIMITY OF OUR FIRE STATIONS, IT WILL BE ADDISON. UM, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE, THE QUAD CITY AGREEMENT, WHICH INCLUDES CARROLLTON, FARMER'S, BRANCH, COPPEL, AND ADDISON, UM, THOSE FOUR CITIES, UH, WHICH IS ALL, UM, ALSO UNDER INTECH. IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY SAY THAT WE WILL SERVE THIS AREA AND FARMER'S BRANCH DOES NOT HAVE TO. IT JUST MEANS THAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY THAT WE NEED ALL HANDS ON DECK, ADDISON WILL ALSO WILL, WILL BE RESPONDING AND WE WILL LIKELY BE THE FIRST TO RESPOND. UM, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN I DON'T, AND I DON'T WANNA CONFUSE THAT WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY SOMEONE HAS A, A COMPLAINT ON THE FIXIT APP THAT THERE'S A POTHOLE. YEAH. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WILL BE RESPONDING TO FARMER'S BRANCHES POTHOLE. THAT JUST MEANS IN AN EVENT OF A DIRE EMERGENCY, OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL BE RESPONDING RIGHT. AS, AS THEY SHOULD. SO, SO THAT MAKES SENSE. ONE REAL QUICK MM-HMM . AND THERE'S PARTS OF ADDISON THAT HAVE THAT RECIPROCAL FROM OTHERS TOO. CORRECT. SO IT'S NOT JUST A OH YEAH, NO, THAT'S OKAY. AND THAT IS RECIPROCAL FOR ALL OF THE QUAD CITIES. YEAH. GOOD. YEAH, NO, AND I, AND I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, IMPORTANT TO, TO TAKE INTO CONTEXT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMS OR, OR A MUNICIPAL SERVICE BURDEN. UM, SO JUST I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND IF I NEED TO, UM, DISCUSS IT MORE WITH THE COMMISSION, WE CAN COVER THAT AT A LATER TIME. THANK YOU. LESLIE, COULD I, UM, TAKE YOU BACK OR COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE RATIO SLIDE? YEAH. THIS ONE? UM, YEAH, SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, SO NUMBER TWO ENTITLED HOUSING. SO THAT INCLUDES ALL THE VITRUVIAN INCLUDES THE TRAMMELL CROW PROJECT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE. EVERYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. MM-HMM . AND THAT HAS ZONING THAT THEORETICALLY COULD GO AND GET, WHETHER IT'S DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL OR, AND BUILDING PERMITS TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE? SURE. OKAY. HAVEN'T SEEN NONE. UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME MAKE PRESENTATION OR SPEAK? THANK YOU. OKAY. THEY'RE GONNA DO THE ATION. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, MY NAME'S HERBERT GEARS. I'M AT 4 5 2 6 WILD BRIER IN IRVING, TEXAS. AND WE'VE COME A LONG WAY ON THIS PROJECT. WE'VE HAD, UH, A LOT OF FRUITFUL DISCUSSIONS AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS A YOUNGER MAN, I VOLUNTEERED FOR THE PLANNING HIS ZONING COMMISSION WHERE I LIVE. AND YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IT'S THE BEST PLACE TO BECOME EDUCATED ABOUT ALL THINGS CITY RELATED. IT WAS ONE OF THE MORE VALUABLE TIMES IN MY, IN MY LIFE. AND, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY WAS A A HUNDRED YEARS OLD AT THE TIME. AND WHAT I OBSERVED WAS THE EVOLUTION OF THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, REDEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE REDEVELOPMENT BECAME A CRITICAL STRATEGY, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO CONTINUE TO GROW OUR PROPERTY TAX BASE, WHICH WAS IMPORTANT. UM, ALTHOUGH WE ENJOYED, LIKE ADDISON, YOU KNOW, A VERY HIGH PER CAPITA SALES TAX REVENUE, WHICH HELPS PAYS THE BILLS, UM, WHAT HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY WITH SALES TAX, IT HAPPENED TWO OR THREE TIMES TO US. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME INCIDENT, A TERRORIST ATTACK OR ECONOMY MAILS DOWN AND SALES TAX REVENUE DROPS 30%, AND IT'S THE PROPERTY TAX BASE, YOU KNOW, THAT PROTECTS THE HOMEOWNERS FROM HAVING TO BEAR THE BURDEN, YOU KNOW, OF ANY KIND OF, UH, SHIFT OR SHORTAGE, YOU KNOW, IN THE OTHER REVENUES. AND SO THAT, THAT BECAME VERY CLEAR TO US. AND, AND, UH, STRATEGIC REDEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, BECAME VERY IMPORTANT. I DO, UH, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL. WE'VE GOT THE TEAM HERE AND THEY'LL SHOW YOU THE POWERPOINT. IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EXCITING. UH, WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. YOU KNOW, I, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH ON PROJECTS THAT YOU GOTTA DO WHAT STAFF TELLS YOU TO DO WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO DO IT. AND, UH, GIVE IT YOUR BEST. AND, AND THAT'S YOUR BEST OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HAVE THE OUTCOME, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO CREATE. WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, BY THE WAY, THIS IS VERY MUCH A NICER, UH, BUILDING. CONGRATULATIONS [00:50:01] ON THAT. UM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE KIND OF FAR AWAY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER THE LAST TIME. UM, BUT ANY CASE, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER THAT MEETING, YOU KNOW, UH, WE FELT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT CHALLENGED, YOU KNOW, TO ELEVATE THIS PROJECT TO AN EXCEPTIONAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE NEEDED TO LAND THAT WAS BEST FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON. AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, FOR US, AND YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH HELP FROM STAFF, I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW HOW WONDERFUL LESLIE IS. SHE'S WELL KNOWN BY THE WAY, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. UH, YOU MENTIONED ADDISON. OH, YOU KNOW LESLIE? OH, YES, I DO. MATTER OF FACT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A PROJECT. SO YOU GUYS ARE DOING WELL THERE. YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING A, A REDEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, OF A, OF A DETERIORATING AND OBSOLETE ASSET THAT'S WITHIN, UH, AN EXISTING SORT OF MIXED USE CORRIDOR. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE GOT USES THERE, UM, GOT A RESTAURANT, YOU'VE GOT OFFICE USES, AND, AND YOU'VE GOT A MULTIFAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ADJACENT TO US RIGHT ON THE NORTH. AND THE, THE BUILDING IS DETERIORATING. IT'S BECOMING DILAPIDATED AND IT'S, IT'S, IT WILL CONTINUE TO DECLINE. AND, AND THE REDEVELOPMENT IS, IS REALLY, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY. WE BELIEVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IN, IN MANY WAYS IT'S A MODERNIZATION EFFORT. YOU KNOW, IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS AND IT TENDS TO SOME OF THE BROADER GOALS, YOU KNOW, OF THE TOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE MENTIONED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OTHER PLACES, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARDS TO STRATEGIC, UM, REINVESTMENT, YOU KNOW, AND TARGETED REDEVELOPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IN, UH, SORT OF TIGHT URBAN AREAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT WE'RE INTRUDING INTO OR WE'RE NOT TAKING UP, YOU KNOW, VACANT LAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY IMPROVING AN ASSET THAT LONG TERM IS GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT. AND, AND THERE MAY BE OTHER NEEDS AS THE OFFICE MARKET CONTINUES IN THE PATH THAT IT'S GOING ON AND PROJECTED TO GO ON IN, IN THE LONG TERM. BUT WE'RE GONNA TRANSFORM THIS AGING, UM, FACILITY PROPERTY BUILDING INTO, UH, $150 MILLION DEVELOPMENT. UH, PART OF THAT'S IN THE FARMER'S BRANCH, UH, PIECE. UM, BUT BASED ON OUR CALCULATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BRING ABOUT 800,000 TO A MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE, YOU KNOW, TO THE TOWN OF ADDISON EVERY YEAR. SO THAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF, UH, HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN. UM, WE'VE GOT STRUCTURED PARKING, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A BENEFIT. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, THIS ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY. THERE IS AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE QUORUM AREA, BUT THERE IS ONE GAP IN THAT SIDEWALK, AND IT'S ACTUALLY ON CITY PROPERTY. IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST THE ONE GAP. OF COURSE, WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT 'CAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 10 MINUTE WALK THERE FROM OUR PROPERTY. IT'S 15 MINUTES TO WALK UP TO BELTLINE IN THE, IN THE INWOOD ROAD INITIATIVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LEARNED, AND, AND IT'S QUITE IMPRESSIVE, YOU KNOW, ADDISON'S REPUTATION WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC ART. SO WE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE COMMITTED, UH, $150,000 COMMISSION AND ART PIECE. WE'VE HAD SOME IDEAS. WE'VE, UH, IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF TEXAS ARTISTS, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN PRODUCE, UH, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'D LIKE. AND OF COURSE WE'LL BE PARTNERING WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND AND HONORED. WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE IN OUR EXHIBITS HERE THAT, THAT IS, UH, KIND OF NICE. IT'S, UH, BEAUTIFUL AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ACTIVATED PUBLIC SPACES AND WE'VE GOT OF COURSE, TOP OF THE LINE, UH, AMENITIES AND, AND UH, FEATURES, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THIS ALMOST LUXURY STYLE LIVING, ENVIRONMENT WORTHY, YOU KNOW, OF, OF THE TENANTS THAT IT WILL ATTRACT. SO RESPECTFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TEAM'S HERE TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK, UH, FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS SIGNIFICANT PROJECT FOR THE TOWN. THANK YOU. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF ME. ALL GOOD QUESTIONS? YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SCOTT FLORHAM AT 12 7 7 0 [00:55:01] COY ROAD. UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. I'M FIGHTING TO COUGH. I'M GONNA DO MY VERY BEST NOT TO OFFEND ANYONE, . UM, SO WHO'S GOT THE MOVE FORWARD SLIDE? DO I? YES. UH, I FIRST WANT TO INTRODUCE THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. WE CALL IT JPI WAS A CONSULTANT ON THE PROJECT AND, UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER GROUP THAT WE WORKED ON WITH SEVERAL, SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, BUT THEY WERE PRIMARILY HELPING US LEAD THAT. WGED, WHO YOU'LL HEAR FROM, UH, BIG FIRM DOWNTOWN, WORKED ALL OVER LOTS OF, UM, 85 YEARS IN BUSINESS. UH, 25 IN DALLAS AND 85 PLUS MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS. UM, YOU KNOW, BEST IN CLASS ATTORNEYS WITH WINSTED KIMLEY HORNE WAS OUR, UH, LANDSCAPE AND CIVIL ENGINEERS. UH, AND THEN OF COURSE LIBERTY BANKERS LIFE, WHO'S A PARTNER OF OURS WHO'S HAD SIGNIFICANT EXPERIENCE IN ALL PRODUCT CLASSES, SAME AS MYSELF, BUT OVER $2 BILLION OF MULTIFAMILY OVER, YOU KNOW, INCEPTION TO DATE. UM, SO THIS SLIDE, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS SLIDE WAS REALLY TO TRY TO EDUCATE THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN OF ADDISON TO TRY TO DELINEATE HOW SEGREGATED OR SEPARATED THE SITE IS FROM ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. UH, IN OUR OPINION, WE FIRMLY BELIEVE IT DOESN'T IMPACT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING 'CAUSE IT'S FAR OVER ONTO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. AND WELL OVER TO THE LEFT, THERE'S SOME SPRINKLED UP TO THE NORTH OF THERE, OF COURSE. UM, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY IS KIND OF IN THE EAST WEST CORRIDOR. UM, AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE SITE AGAIN. UM, I'LL POINT ON ANOTHER SLIDE HERE IN A SECOND 'CAUSE I WANT TO READDRESS THE CONNECTIVITY SIDEWALK FOR A MOMENT. UM, SO VERY SOUTHERN POINT OF ADDISON. UM, AND LIKE HERB WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, URBAN MIXED CORRIDOR, WE THINK THE MULTIFAMILY IS APPROPRIATE. UM, LESLIE BRIEFED THIS, YOU KNOW, IN HER PRESENTATION, BUT OUR SAME AREA IS CLASSIFIED AS A HIGH INTENSITY URBAN CENTER. AND I THINK THERE'S, UH, THAT'S EASILY DESCRIBED. AND PART OF THAT DEFINITION ON HIGH INTENSITY URBAN CENTER IS IT, IT ALLOWS FOR URBAN APARTMENTS AND CONDO TOWERS. AND WE FEEL, FEEL THAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT. AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, MEETING FURTHER THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S EXPECTED TO GO UNDER SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT AND INCREASING ITS INTENSITIES. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE MEET THAT AND MEET IT FIRMLY. SO THIS SLIDE'S IMPORTANT. UM, IF YOU NOTICE WHERE THE RED SQUARE LEADING OUT TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING BEHIND THAT OFFICE BUILDING. THE, THE LACKING CONCRETE IS ABOUT THREE-FOURTHS THE WAY UP THAT BUILDING AS YOU APPROACH THE TOLL WAY. I'VE HAD VERBAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT OWNER AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT. OF COURSE, I KNOW YOU WANT, UM, MORE SURETY OF THAT. I'M CERTAIN I CAN GET THAT AT SOME POINT. UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE COOPERATIVE AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. UM, SO TO FURTHER TALK YOU CAN SEE THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FARMERS BRANCH AND THE TOWN OF ADDISON. UM, AGAIN, BUILT IN, UM, WELL, WE HAVE 79, I SAW A SLIDE OF 81, SO I'LL TAKE 81 LESLIE, BUT SEVEN TO NINE STORIES, A HUNDRED PERCENT VACANT. THE TOTAL TRACK IS SEVEN ACRES. UM, THIS IS A REALLY LARGE INEFFICIENT FLOOR PLATES FOR TODAY'S USERS. I HEARD SOMETHING COME FROM COUNCIL THAT NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME BACK FROM WORK, AND WE EXPERIENCE THAT EXPERIENCE THAT IN SEVERAL OF OUR O OTHER OFFICE BUILDINGS. SO IT'S NOT A, UH, TREND THAT WE SEE GOING AWAY VERY QUICKLY. UM, SIGNIFICANT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, CHILLERS, AIR HANDLERS. THE BUILDING HAS ASBESTOS THAT WILL NEED TO BE ABATED, WHICH WE ALL HAVE HANDLED. WE'VE GOT A, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PRICING ON ALL OF THAT. SO IT'S REALLY A DETERIORATING ASSET. IT'S FORGETTABLE. UM, I THINK I MENTIONED THAT AT THE FIRST, UH, ATTEMPT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL. UM, YOU GO DOWN THE TOLLWAY, IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR IT, YOU JUST DON'T NOTICE THE BUILDING. I THINK OUR ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE REALLY STANDS OUT AND MAKES THE PROJECT EXCEPTIONAL. UM, ONE OF MY LAST SLIDES, THIS IS JUST [01:00:01] SOME EXISTING CONDITION PHOTOS, THIS BACKSIDE, PARDON ME, THE, UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME MECHANICAL, THAT'S THE CHILLER RIGHT ON LANDMARK. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS ARE FROM THE, IN THE ENTRANCE AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. UM, BUT IT'S DOMINATED BY SURFACE PARKING, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE, THE MAP AGAIN. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST OUT OUTDATED AND THE LANDSCAPING, QUITE HONESTLY IS QUITE TIRED. AND WE DID OUR BEST TO MITIGATE EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD. AND, UH, WE'VE, WE ATTEMPTED TO SAVE WHAT WE COULD, BUT THERE WAS REALLY SOME, YOU KNOW, DEAD TREES FROM LACK OF WATERING AND OF COURSE DISEASE. SO IT'S REALLY NOT A BUILDING WORTH, UM, REVIVING. UM, SO HOW DID WE GET HERE? UM, IT'S BEEN AN ITERATIVE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. THE TIMELINE ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE WE STARTED, UM, DIALOGUE IN AUGUST OF 23, SUBMITTED TO DESIGNS BY 24. UM, CAME IN FRONT OF Y'ALL IN, UM, OUR SUBMISSION WAS OCTOBER 24. AND, UH, PLANNING ZONING, OF COURSE, AUGUST. BUT REALLY PART OF THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW SAFETY AND, UH, THE FIRE AND WHO RESPONDS HAS BEEN THE HOT TOPIC HERE. I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF FRED CALHOUN AT LEAST THREE TIMES. UM, AND HE'S A VERY DILIGENT MAN AND HE, HE STICKS TO WHAT HE NEEDS AND WHAT HE THINKS IS BEST. AND HE, HE HELD HIS GROUND ON THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, WHICH I APPRECIATE. BUT HE HAS DIRECT COMMUNICATION TO THE FIRE MARSHAL, UM, AT FARMER'S BRANCH. AND HE TOOK THE LEAD AND ACTUALLY GOT THINGS DONE WITHOUT ME KNOWING AND CALLED ME, HEY SCOTT. I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS AND I, I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. UM, MIDDLE AREA, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH, UM, LESLIE'S TEAM, EVEN WITH KEN, HER PREDECESSOR. UM, BUT THE LAST CHANGES WE MADE HERE TO, UM, TO ADDRESS BEST WE COULD, WHAT WAS REQUESTED WAS, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT WE COULD DO ABOUT ADDING FEE SIMPLE CONDOS. WE ADDED 10, UM, REALLY NICE LITTLE POCKET PARK THAT WAS ALLUDED TO WITH PUBLIC ART. THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE AREA. UM, WE ADDED SOME COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE, SOME LIVE WORK UNITS, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD SOME PUBLIC ART AGAIN. UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS, AND I THINK WE HAVE THE INTEGRATION OF THE WALKABILITY. SO THE DESIGN OUT TO THE TOLLWAY WILL GET DONE AND IT'S AN EASY ASK TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING THERE AT THE TOWN OF ADDISON'S PARCEL RIGHT THE CORNER. UM, BUT NOT TO MENTION WITH FARMER'S BRANCH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE PLANS TO MAKE A, A WALKING TRAIL WHERE THAT, UH, RAILROAD TRACK IS AND THE SUBSTATION AND ALL THE ELECTRICAL. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY KICKED THAT OFF, BUT, UH, WE PLANNED TO TRY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING REALLY DIDN'T EXPERIENCE ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS. THERE WERE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS OF COURSE, AND FIRE LIFE SAFETY WAS ONE OF THEM. UM, WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY, ANY DESIGN COMMENTS THAT WERE NEGATIVE. UM, AND WE HAD SOME VERY POSITIVE SUPPORT AND COMMENTS FROM SOME OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM BOTH ADDISON AND FARMER'S BRANCH. UM, WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER, HEY, WOULD YOU GUYS CONSIDER DOING A POLICE SUBSTATION WELL, UM, SO WE WENT TO SEE IF THAT WAS VIABLE. SO, UM, HERB ACTUALLY SPOKE, UM, WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND LESLIE, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DESIRED. UH, THE STATS I HEARD IS TOWN OF ADDISON'S, ABOUT FOUR MILES SQUARE MILES, AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE, THE AIRPORT. SO THEY JUST DON'T NEED THE REACH. AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE THAT WAS LEFT. SO, GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I PASS IT ON TO WILL ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? DAVE, GO AHEAD. SHOULD WE ASK, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHO ALL THE PARTIES ARE, SO SHOULD WE WAIT TILL THEY'RE ALL DONE OR SHOULD WE JUST ASK AS WE GO FINISH THE PRESENTATION WOULD BE, THAT MIGHT BE MORE EFFICIENT. YEAH. OKAY. WILL DUNCAN WITH WDG ARCHITECTURE 1601 ELM STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE THE MOST ABOUT MY JOB IS GETTING TO SEE THE TRANSFORMATIVE NATURE OF REDEVELOPMENT. UM, FROM, UH, MY EARLIEST DAYS AT WDG WHEN WE WORKED, GOT TO WORK ON THE VICTORY VICTORY [01:05:01] PARK REDEVELOPMENT TO, UM, AROUND 2009, 2010, GETTING TO WORK ON THE FIRST PHASE OF TRIBUNE PARK AND ADDISON. UH, THAT'S JUST THE FAVORITE PART OF MY JOB. UH, THIS SITE AS WELL IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR TRANSFORMATION AND FROM A SUBURBAN OFFICE BUILDING INTO A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, OOPS, I'M SORRY. LEMME GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE WE GO. IT INCLUDES AN ENHANCEMENT OF, ACTUALLY THE SIDEWALK WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, SECTION OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE LEFT, WHERE LADIES WALKING, HER DOG THERE. THAT'S THE SIDEWALK IN QUESTION, BUT IT INCLUDES ENHANCEMENT OF THAT, UH, BOULEVARD AT ENTRY IN CONNECTION OUT TO DALLAS PARKWAY, UM, AS WELL, WHICH HELPS, UH, HELPS WITH THE OVERALL WALKABILITY OF THE AREA. UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT, I'LL TRY NOT TO, UM, RETREAD TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH GROUND HERE. BUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE SITS ON LANDMARK BOULEVARD, BOTH TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. SITS IN A, WITH A, UH, SITS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A MIXTURE OF USES INCLUDING, UH, UH, THE JEWEL AND LANDMARK TO THE NORTH. UM, THE WELLINGTON OFFICE BUILDING TO THE EAST AND THE ELLA, UH, STEAKHOUSE TO THE EAST AS WELL. FLANKING THAT OTHER SIDE OF THAT BOULEVARD AT ENTRY PARKING FOR THE PROJECT HAS BEEN COVERED, IS PRIMARILY IN THE, UH, 1200 CAR PARKING GARAGE. UM, BUT WE ARE ADDING SOME, UH, STREET PARKING BOTH ON THE, THE SOUTH AND ON THE WEST ON LANDMARK BOULEVARD. UM, AS WELL AS, UH, STRATEGICALLY LOCATED SURFACE PARKING. WE WE'RE NOT A BIG FAN OF JUST PUTTING A LOT OF SURFACE PARKING EVERYWHERE, BUT JUST ON THE NORTH, I THINK WE THINK AROUND 18 SPACES. AND THAT'S REALLY TO HELP SERVE, UH, YOU KNOW, LEASING AND LEASING FUTURE TENANTS COMING IN, AS WELL AS THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE SPACE THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT TERMINATES THAT DRIVE COMING DOWN ADJACENT TO THE JUUL. UM, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS OF THE NEW UDC GUIDELINES. THE BUILDING'S FRONT ON THE, THE SURROUNDING STREETS AND DRIVES, CREATING A CO COHESIVE STREET EDGE. UH, THERE'S LANDSCAPE BUFFERING TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND EAST. UH, THE BUILDING ENTRIES FACE, FACE THESE DRIVES AND ARE IN, UM, ARE EMPHASIZED UTILIZING INCREASED GLAZING AND CANOPIES. UM, THE MAIN BUILDING ENTRANCE SHOWCASES PUBLIC ART AND A, UH, SIGNIFICANT PORT COCHET DROP OFF EXPERIENCE. UM, THE BUILDINGS FEATURE ARTICULATION, UM, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR EVERY 60 FEET WHERE YOU HAVE TO BREAK THE ROOF LINE. UM, RIES VARIETY OF MATERIALS TO BREAK UP THE OVERALL BUILDING FORMS AND MASSES. UM, GLAZING IS PROVIDED AT OR ABOVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE UDC. THE CONDOMINIUMS AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE, UH, WHICH WE CAN SEE HERE ON, ON THE, ON THE KINDA BOTH SIDES HERE. FRAME OF THAT PUBLIC PARK SPACE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ART AND PERHAPS THE ART WE'RE SHOWING IS BIG CLICHE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PLACEHOLDER FOR A PROCESS TO HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE GO THROUGH THAT COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH THE CITY. UM, THE PARK WILL FEATURE EXISTING SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PRESERVE PASSIVE GREEN SPACE, AS WELL AS THE ART. ALL THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, UNITS HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALKS AND THE SITE'S OPEN SPACES, UH, AND ALL THE RESIDENTIAL USES HAVE AN ELEVATED ENTRANCE, UM, PER THE UDC WITH THAT 24 SQUARE FOOT STOOP THAT'S REQUIRED. ALL THE WINDOWS FOR THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS PROVIDE GREAT VISIBILITY OUT TO THOSE STREETS AND PUBLIC SPACES. AND WE'VE, WHILE WE'VE, WE'VE CREATED A LOT OF VARIETY OF MATERIAL EXPRESSION WITHIN THE PROJECT, BUT, UM, WE'VE TRIED TO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT COHESIVE DESIGN AESTHETIC. THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE ORGANIZED, UM, AROUND THAT CENTRAL, THAT CENTRAL, UH, PRIVATE COURTYARD RESORT STYLE COURTYARD, WHICH FEATURING A COMBINATION OF ACTIVE AND PASSIVE USES. UM, THIS PROVIDES A GREAT, UH, YOU KNOW, GATHERING SPACE FOR THIS NEW COMMUNITY. UM, IT ALSO, THIS COURTYARD WILL DIRECT CONNECT DIRECTLY TO, UH, LEASING AMENITIES ON THE GROUND FLOOR, AS WELL AS OUT TO THE SIDEWALKS VIA SEVERAL PEOS. THAT LUXURY RESORT STYLE FEEL IS CARRIED INTO THE INTERNAL AMENITIES OF THE PROJECT WITH FITNESS CENTER LOUNGE, CLUB ROOM, UH, AND A VARIETY OF OTHER OFFERINGS THAT THE PROPERTY WILL, WILL HAVE FOR THE RESIDENCE. THE UNIT FIT AND FINISH WILL ALSO ELEVATE THIS PROPERTY, INCLUDING 10 FOOT CEILINGS, EIGHT FOOT DOORS, QUARTZ COUNTERTOPS, CUSTOM CABINETRY, UH, WINE FRIDGES, SOAKER TUBS, UM, AS WELL AS A A, A SUNDRY OF OTHER, UM, AMENITIES, UH, FEATURES FOR THE RESIDENTS ON THE KINDA ACTIVATING THE, THE GROUND LEVEL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT IS A, IS OUR EXECUTIVE OFFICE SUITES. UM, AND THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR IT TO LEASE TO [01:10:01] THE LARGER COMMUNITY. IT'LL INCLUDE CONFERENCE ROOMS, UH, FLEX WORKSPACE, AS WELL AS PRIVATE SUITES THAT YOU CAN RENT. UH, KIND OF COMPLIMENTING THAT OFFICE USE IS, ARE THE LIVE WORK UNITS, WHICH MEETS A DIFFERENT DEMAND IN THE, IN THE MARKETPLACE FOR SOMEONE WHO MIGHT NOT NEED A SEPARATE LEASE FOR AN OFFICE SPACE, BUT MAYBE HAS A STARTUP OR IS A SOLE PROPRIETOR PROFESSIONAL WHO NEEDS A, NEEDS A, NEEDS A SPACE WITHIN THEIR HOME THAT'S DEDICATED TO MEETING WITH CLIENTS. WE'RE PROVIDING 4,000 SQUARE FEET AND AROUND FIVE UNITS RIGHT NOW. THAT 4,000 SQUARE FEET'S A MINIMUM. SO IF WE NEED SLIGHTLY LARGER LIVE WORK UNITS TO MEET WHAT THE MARKET WANTS, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. THE FOR SALE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN COVERED IS TEN THREE STORY CONDOMINIUM UNITS, EACH FEATURING TWO CAR GARAGE. UM, EACH, EACH CONDOMINIUM WILL HAVE, UH, SIDEWALK LEVEL ACCESS, UH, UH, 20, UH, THE 24 SQUARE FOOT REQUIRED STOOP, UM, AND WILL BE SITUATED RIGHT NEXT TO THAT PARK SPACE, WHICH WE THINK IS A GREAT COMPLIMENT FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT THAT PARK SPACE. I WANNA KIND OF, I WANT TO END ON THIS BEFORE I TRANSITION TO TOMMY, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, DOES REALLY ANCHOR THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE FRONTS ON FRONTS ON LANDMARK. SO IT HAS GOOD PUBLIC ACCESS, IT'S NOT HIDDEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. UM, AND WE'LL FEATURE THAT ART, UH, PIECE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. I'M HAND THIS OVER TO TOMMY, MAN, I THINK YOU WILL. TOMMY MANN 500 WINSTEAD BUILDING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. AND, UH, THERE'S ONLY SEVEN MORE SPEAKERS AFTER ME. UM, I'LL BE THE LAST ONE. UH, SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WHY WE THINK LUXURY, MULTIFAMILY, AND LIGHT MIXED USE HERE IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. UH, AND I'M JUST GONNA POINT OUT SOME OF THE ASPECTS THAT MAKE IT UNIQUE. SO FIRST, AND WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE IS WE ARE ABLE TO ADAPTIVELY REUSE AN EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE. AND THAT IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THE COST OF STRUCTURED PARKING IS ONE OF THE LARGEST COSTS THAT GENERATES NO RETURN IN A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT. AND THE FACT THAT IT EXISTS AND WE'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT MEANS WE'RE ABLE TO FOCUS THE INVESTMENT AND THE PLAN AND THE EXPENDITURE ON THE THINGS THAT WILL MAKE THE APARTMENTS RENT FOR MORE AND BE MORE APPEALING TO FUTURE RESIDENTS. AND THAT IS A UNIQUE SCENARIO THAT ONLY OCCURS IN A REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIO LIKE THIS ONE. IT ALLOWS US TO DELIVER A PROJECT THAT WILL BE AS HIGH OR OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF ANY PROJECT THAT'S BEEN BUILT, UH, IN ADDISON. NEXT, YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS OF THE SUBMARKET WITH RESPECT TO OFFICE. UM, THE OFFICE SUBMARKET IN THIS AREA IS CURRENTLY ABOUT A 22.5% OR A LITTLE MORE VACANCY RATE. IT'S TRENDING TOWARD 25% FOR THE LONG TERM. 10% OR LESS IS CONSIDERED A HEALTHY VACANCY RATE, WHERE NEW PROJECTS ARE FINANCEABLE AT A RATE THAT IS TWO AND A HALF OR MORE TIMES THAT IT CAN'T BE CURED WITH SIMPLY PATIENTS AND WAITING FOR THE VACANCIES TO LEASE UP. IT CAN'T HAPPEN. WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN A SCENARIO LIKE THIS IS ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN SUPPLY. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THE REDUCTION IN THE SUPPLY MAKES WITH A COMPLIMENTARY USE MAKES THE REMAINING VACANCY MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE LEASED AND HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY REVITALIZE A SUBMARKET. UM, THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF THAT EXACT SAME THING. I THINK THE 45.7% IS WITH US INCLUDED, UH, AND WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. BUT EVEN WITHOUT THAT, WE'RE AT A LEVEL THAT IS, UH, NOT FINANCEABLE FOR DUE PROJECTS. SO WHEN YOU SEND OUT PROPERTY NOTICES FOR LARGELY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND YOU THAT USUALLY END UP IN SOME ACCOUNTANTS' OFFICE OR PROPERTY TAX CONSULTANTS' OFFICE THAT YOU ALL ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO SEND TO THE TAX ROLL ADDRESS, SCOTT ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND MET WITH ALL THESE FOLKS AND TALKED TO 'EM AROUND THE SITE AND YOU SEE THE SITES IN GREEN ISSUED HIM A LETTER OR AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING CONFIRMING THAT THEY SUPPORT THE PROJECT. AND THESE ARE ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THE REASON THEY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT IS INDICATIVE OF OUR POINT ABOUT HIGHEST AND BEST USE. THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW HOUSEHOLDS WITH SUBSTANTIAL DISPOSABLE INCOME REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THE SITE AND A CHANCE FOR THEM TO REVITALIZE THEIR PROPERTIES AND START A POSITIVE MOMENTUM OF REDEVELOPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SUCH STRONG INTEREST AND SUPPORT FROM ALL OF THEM. SO IN CONCLUSION, WE'D TRY TO REVISE PLAN LAST YEAR AND IT WAS DENIED, RIGHT? SO WHY DID WE NOT JUST START WORKING ON PLANS TO REDEVELOP THE OFFICE OR DEMO IT AND DEVELOP RETAIL? AND HOPEFULLY AT THIS POINT THAT ANSWER IS FAIRLY EVIDENT THAT IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE, RIGHT? THE SITE HAS DIFFICULT ACCESS [01:15:01] THAT'S UNAPPEALING TO RETAILERS. THE ONLY NEW OFFICE BUILDINGS AND MY LAW FIRM WE REPRESENT, WE HAVE ABOUT 175 REAL ESTATE LAWYERS IN TEXAS. WE WORK ON THOUSANDS OF PROJECTS EVERY YEAR. THE ONLY NEW OFFICE BUILDINGS WE'RE WORKING ON ARE PRIMARILY IN THREE AREAS. KNOX STREET, UPTOWN, PRESTON CENTER, LEGACY WEST, THE VACANCIES IN THOSE AREAS ARE AROUND 5%. OKAY? FIVE TO SIX TIMES LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. UM, AND THOSE AREAS CONTAIN DENSITY, WALKABILITY, CONNECTIVITY, THAT DOESN'T EXIST HERE YET. IT CAN, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE PROJECTS AND REDEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. PART OF THIS SITE'S IN ANOTHER CITY, THAT CITY RECOGNIZED EVERYTHING WE'RE SAYING AND ALREADY APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT OF LUXURY MULTIFAMILY ON IT, ON THAT PORTION OF THE SITE. AND WE HAVE MADE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE INPUT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM STAFF, FROM YOU ALL FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THANKS TO A RECENT CHANGE IN YOUR UDC IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD NOW, IT WILL ALSO RESULT IN ROUGHLY $3 MILLION DONATION TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. SO THIS PD PROCESS EXISTS TO ALLOW THE JUSTIFIED DEVIATION FROM BROADER POLICIES IN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES. YES, THE 2017 HOUSING POLICY PREFERS OWNER OCCUPIED UNITS OVER RENTAL ONES, BUT EVEN THE STAFF REPORT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED AN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCE. AND WE'VE POINTED OUT ALL THE REASONS WHY WE THINK IT IS. SO IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, YOU'RE NOT ABANDONING A HOUSING POLICY FROM 2017, YOU'RE SIMPLY RECOGNIZING THE REALITY OF OFFICE DEVELOPMENT IN THE POST PANDEMIC WORLD. AND THIS SITE IS UNIQUE. THE STAFF REPORT POINTS OUT THAT IT'S UNIQUE. AND SO WHEN THAT OCCURS, SPECIFIC SITE SPECIFIC APPROACHES ARE APPROPRIATE. THAT'S WHAT THE PD PROCESS IS. SO GIVEN EVERYTHING YOU'VE HEARD FROM US FROM THE STAFF, WE THINK AN APPROVAL OF THIS PD FOR THIS SITE MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS LAND. THANK YOU. NOW YOU'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. UH, THANK YOU. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THE MUCH IMPROVED CHANGES, UM, FOR THIS. I I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND, AND APPRECIATE THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO MEET WITH, UM, COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, NOT JUST THE, THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AROUND THERE. UM, I HAD A QUESTION THAT WAS IN SLIDE 28 OR 29 WAS THE PAGE THAT I THINK IT WAS THEIRS THAT YOU EMAILED THAT WAS DISCUSSION OF THE LIGHT. I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA TOUCH ON IT A LITTLE MORE TODAY FROM, FROM THE PREVIOUS. IT'S NOT THAT THERE WAS ONE WITH THE COURTYARDS WHERE YOU DID SOME SHADOWING, BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT I WAS REALLY ASKING IN OUR LAST MEETING. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHICH PRESENTATION I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU EMAILED ME EARLIER TODAY? YEAH. UM, WILL YOU HAD OH, OKAY. SORRY. OH, OKAY. JUST ADDITIONAL STUFF. WE COULD HAVE KEPT TALKING. THERE WE GO. THAT GUY. SO, SO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION THAT CAME OUT ABOUT THIS WAS NOT LIGHTING TO THE COURTYARDS, IT WAS ABOUT LIGHTING FOR THE UNITS THAT ABUT ONTO THOSE COURTYARDS. SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, IF THAT WAS REALLY WHAT WAS DONE AS PART OF THE STUDY? 'CAUSE I DON'T GET IT OUT OF THE, THE SLIDES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED IN HERE. UM, YEAH. SO I THINK WE UNDERSTOOD, TYPICALLY WHEN WE HEAR A SHADOW STUDY OR LIGHTING IN THE COURTYARD, WE UNDERSTAND THAT TO MEAN THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT THE GROUND, THE PLANE OF THAT COURTYARD RECEIVES. JUST BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S A TENDENCY, AND I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE JEWEL, UM, ACTUALLY THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE NOW, UH, THE SMALLER YOUR COURTYARD IS, THE MORE BUILDING YOU HAVE, RIGHT? SO WE, WE HAVE SEEN CLIENTS TEND TOWARDS MAKING THOSE SMALLER AND THE BUILDING'S TALLER AND YOU GET THESE REALLY DARK COURTYARDS. UM, I'D SAY THE, THE, THE LIGHTING THAT THE UNITS WOULD RECEIVE, UM, WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR. LET'S SAY THE NORTH FACING MIGHT BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE NORTH FACING UNITS THAT AREN'T RARELY ARE, THAT ARE RARELY GONNA GET DIRECT SUNLIGHT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEY'RE FACING NORTH. SO INSIDE THAT COURTYARD, WHEN YOU'RE IN SHADE, BE VERY SIMILAR TO HAVING NORTH FACING UNIT, UM, TO, TO ASK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE REALITY IS, IS WHAT I KINDA ASKED FOR BEFORE PROBABLY REALLY DIDN'T GET ADDRESSED. AND THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERPRETATION ISSUE OR WHATEVER. IT'S FINE. I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT I REALLY WANTED TO KNOW THE INTERIOR UNITS. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY BACKGROUND. I'VE TOURED A LOT APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN MY LIFE, AND YOU, YOU GET IN THESE NODES, ESPECIALLY IN CORNERS, FOUR POCKET CORNERS SURE. WHERE THOSE UNITS BECOME VERY, VERY DARK AND IT JUST BECOMES A RENTAL PROBLEM AND YOU JUST CAN'T RENT 'EM OR THE, OR THE RENTS DROP A LOT. AND SO, I MEAN, IT'S ALL, IT'S A BIGGER QUESTION ABOUT THE WHOLE PROJECT THAN MATH. AND ANYWAY, THAT WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND AND KNOWING AS MANY STORIES AS THIS IS TOO, IT IS A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME, ESPECIALLY THE LOWER FLOORS OF HOW DARK THOSE UNITS WERE REALLY GONNA BE. AND [01:20:01] LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS PROBABLY A A, A SPECIFIC, THAT WAS MY SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT I ASKED AND THEY RESPONDED TOO, SO THEY WERE VERY RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION I ASKED. OKAY. ANYWAY. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYWAY, UM, I'M LOOKING FOR SOME NOTES HERE THAT I WROTE JUST A SECOND. UM, OKAY. UM, I'M THINK I'M GOOD FROM WHAT I HAD. UM, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE THAT SPOKE AND IT YEAH. LIT UP? I DO. I, I'M, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE TRIED TO RETOOL US, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, THE TOWN HOMES, HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT 10 AND WHO'S GONNA DEVELOP THEM? WE WOULD DEVELOP THEM. PARDON? WE, WE WOULD DEVELOP THEM WITH, WITH THE PROJECT. I THINK THE PD ACTUALLY REQUIRE, WELL, SO YOU, WE YOU'RE THE LAWYER, BUT I MEAN, WHO, WHO'S, SO THE, THE, YEAH, SO THAT WE, YEAH. UM, TRINITY NATIONAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, ALONG WITH OUR PARTNERS, UH, AND LIBERTY BANKERS LIVE. OKAY. AND SO YOU HAVE SOME TRACK RECORD IN DOING TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, SO WE'VE, UM, WE'VE, THROUGH BRAD AND LIBERTY, THEY'VE DONE, UM, I'D LIKE TO LET HIM ANSWER THE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT SEVERAL AROUND TOWN NORTH AND WORKED WITH MULTIPLE, UH, TRUE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS. OKAY. HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT NUMBER 10? 10, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ARCHITECT QUESTION, BUT IT WAS JUST TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO PRESERVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE INTRICACIES OF THE DESIGN AND NOT CHANGE IT. WE'VE ACTUALLY, WE MOVED THE BUILDING SLIGHTLY TO ACCOMMODATE IT IN THE PARK. SO IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THE BEST NUMBER OF, UH, FOR SALE UNITS, UH, THAT WE COULD CAN I ASK ONE, ONE OTHER? ARE YOU CHANGING SUBJECTS? SUBJECTS? 'CAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TOWNHOUSE THAT GOES, OKAY, GO FOR IT. SO I WANNA JUMP IN HERE. UM, MY BIG CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS THEY BECOME RENTAL PROPERTIES. I MEAN, NOTHING PREVENTS ANYTHING. SO, YOU KNOW, I I THINK WE, IF, IF THE DECISION WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR ANYBODY. I, I, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT A RESTRICTION ON IT THAT IT HAS TO BE FOR SALE PRODUCT AND CANNOT BE RENTED. AND, AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOES FOR THE MARKETABILITY OF THEM THAT AN OWNER IS SOMEBODY IN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D BE WILLING TO BUY MY HOUSE IF SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT I COULDN'T RENT IT IF I CHOSE TO. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL THINK ABOUT. SO WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THE PD IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CONDOMINIUMIZED SO THAT THEY CAN BE SOLD AND JUST FYI, THE ONLY REASON WE DIDN'T PROPOSE TO INDIVIDUALLY PLA THEM IS BECAUSE THAT'S SECTION OF LANDMARK IS TECHNICALLY NOT A PUBLIC STREET AND YOU TO PLAT A LOT INDIVIDUALLY, IT HAS TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON A STREET. SO FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S USUALLY THE DISTINCTION YOU CAN DRAW. IS IT, YOU KNOW, CONDOMINIUMIZED OR IS IT PLATTED SEPARATELY? SO WE PUT THAT IN THERE. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ZONING CAN SAY YOU HAVE TO SELL THEM. IF IT CAN, THAT'S FINE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE CONDOMINIUM REQUIREMENT IN THERE. RIGHT. I I'M GETTING TO A POINT OF THEY ULTIMATELY COULD DEVELOP 'EM, THEY NOT SELL AND THEY JUST BECOME RENTAL OR THEY SELL INTO THE, TO AN INVESTOR THAT USES 'EM FOR RENTAL. AND I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS OF AND THINK ABOUT AS YOU'RE REVIEWING THIS PROJECT, CAN WE TALK ABOUT RENTAL RATES? YOU CLASSIFY THIS AS A LUXURY APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT COMES DOWN TO RENT. SO GIMME A SENSE MAYBE ON A SQUARE FOOT BASIS BY, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 3 BEDROOM. YEAH. SO FOR INSTANCE, THE JUUL IS, UH, 93% OCCUPIED AND THEY'RE IN THE LOW $2 A SQUARE FOOT, LIKE 2 35. WE FULLY EXPECT TO BE ON THE HIGH END, 2 85, 2 95, UH, WITH THE PRODUCT WE'RE GONNA DELIVER. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE UPGRADING OUR, OUR FINISHES WELL ABOVE THE JUUL AND OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, UNITS. YOU LOOK FROM THE OUTSIDE AND THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, HIGH LEVEL. SO WE, WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE BEST IN CLASS AND, AND, AND LEASE IT UP. AND JPI IS, AND I DUNNO IF THIS IS JPI REPRESENTATIVE HERE. THEY ARE NOT HERE. THEY WERE MORE OF A CONSULTANT WITH US. SO ARE THEY GONNA OPERATE IT THOUGH? UM, THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THAT LETTER. IT IS NOT DETERMINED AT THIS POINT. SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL SUITORS THAT WILL, WE WILL INTERVIEW AS WE GET GOING, BUT IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE. WE'VE, WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE TRANSACTIONS WITH THEM. COOL. UM, SO I, I TALKED WITH LESLIE ABOUT THIS, ABOUT JILL'S WILLINGNESS TO GO FORWARD WITH FARMER'S BRANCH IF WE DECIDE NO, RIGHT. ARE YOU GUYS GONNA, ARE YOU GUYS COMMITTED TO BUILDING AND FARMER'S BRANCH REGARDLESS OF OUR DECISION? OR DOES IT, IS IT CONTINGENT? IT'S, IT'S A HIGH CONSIDERATION. THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ADDITIONAL FACTORS TO CONSIDER. MM, OKAY. BUT YES, THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, NOT SO MUCH QUESTIONS, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE. I I REALLY DO. AND IT LOOKS [01:25:01] LIKE A GREAT PROJECT, BUT THE ISSUES REMAIN THE SAME. UM, IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT PUSHES US UP TO 83% RENTAL UNITS IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON. AND WE'RE A VERY SMALL TOWN. UM, ADDITIONALLY, IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE HOUSING POLICY AS LESLIE CONFIRMED. UM, THEN THERE'S THE DESTRUCTION OF 80 PLUS TREES. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY, UH, THE FEE FOR THOSE AS OUTLINED BY THE, BY OUR POLICIES FOR THE TOWN. BUT WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO JUST SELL OUR TREES OUT TO, TO EVERY DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO COME ALONG. UM, THAT, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR ME. UH, ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THE, THE LACK OF THE LAND DEDICATION FOR THE PARK. UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME CHALLENGES THAT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE I'D LIKE TO ASK. UH OH, THANK YOU. UM, I THINK THE USE IS APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR WHERE IT IS AND SURROUNDED BY THE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS. BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL, THE DENSITY, THE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE IDEA THAT, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST FILLING UP THE, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IT SEEMS WITH THIS, UH, FACILITY. AND IT, AND THEN THE PARKING IS OFF IN THE PARKING GARAGE, THE MAJORITY OF IT. SO I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF, UH, CARS JUST PARKING ALONG THE STREET, WHICH IS NOT, UM, NOT SOMETHING WE LIKE TO SEE, BUT TALK ABOUT ALSO THE CONNECTIVITY. UM, WE, THE CITY IS ASKED, AND YOU'VE COMPLIED BY, UH, PROVIDING SIDE, UH, SIDEWALKS AND SUCH, BUT EVEN THE IDEA OF PROVIDING SIDEWALKS TO THE TOLLWAY, UM, REALLY ARE WE DOING THAT? SO ANYWAY, CAN YOU TALK, SOMEBODY, TALK TO ME, CONVINCE ME MORE. SPEAK TO, UH, JUST THE PARKING AND THE, THE, I THINK THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE TOLLWAY, UH, CONNECTIVITY TO THE TOLLWAY. THERE IS A BUS STOP ON THE DALLAS PARKWAY. JUST, JUST, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU GO OUT THE, UH, THE BOULEVARD ENTRY AND TAKE A HOOK A LEFT, THERE'S A, A, UH, A DART BUS STOP RIGHT THERE. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY PER CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF TO THAT, UH, BUS STOP. THAT'S SOME OF THE CONNECTIVITY AND SIDEWALK CONVERSATIONS AND ADJACENT OWNER CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING. UM, THE PARKING, UM, THIS, THIS PRO, THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE, I THINK PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT OVER TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT. I I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS SCOTT WAS SPEAKING TO IN TERMS OF DIFFERENTIATING OURSELVES FROM THE JUUL, UM, IS THE ABUNDANCE OF PARKING OPPORTUNITIES WE'LL HAVE FOR RESIDENTS AS OPPOSED TO SQUEEZING IT DOWN AND JUST, JUST GETTING AWAY WITH THE BARE MINIMUM. UM, THE ALSO HAS, OOPS, I'M SORRY. THE JEWEL ALSO HAS, YOU KNOW, SURFACE PARKING OUT THERE IN THE FRONT, UM, WHICH IS RATHER UNSIGHTLY, I THINK. AND SO ALL OF THAT I THINK BRINGS THEIR PROPERTY DOWN. AND OUR PARKING SOLUTION IS REALLY GONNA HELP, UM, ELEVATE OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE, LIKE, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF STREET PARKING, BUT NOT, NOT MUCH. UM, IT'S, IT'S ALL A BOLD, UH, IN, RIGHT, SO YOU HAVE BOLD OUTS. SO THOSE STREET PARKING SPACES ARE REALLY WELL DEFINED. UM, AND ALSO PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE PARKING SPACES WHERE WE HAVE TREES, I BELIEVE. UM, AS TO THE DENSITY, I'LL HAVE TO LET THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM SPEAK TO THE DENSITY QUESTION. WELL, HE'S WRONG. I'M SORRY. IF YOU DON'T MIND RE RESTATING THE DENSITY QUESTION. WELL, I, UM, PHILOSOPHICALLY I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE USE OF THE SPACE. WHAT I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR IS THE IDEA THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS MASSIVE BLOCK FILLING UP THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S BASICALLY A CAR CENTRIC, UH, UM, USE THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA WALK TO ANY PLACE AND THE, UM, THE OPEN SPACE IS SO MINOR COMPARED TO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, HOW DID I KNOW THE, THE ECONOMICS TELL YOU HOW MANY UNITS TO, UH, TO DEVELOP? DID YOU EVER LOOK AT REDUCING THAT AND OPENING UP MORE SPACE? LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE SUN, UM, SUN ANGLES INSIDE THERE? YOU COULD, YOU COULD ENLARGE THAT DRAMATICALLY. AGAIN, YOU'RE A UNIFIED BLOCK. YOU, YOU'VE INTERNALIZED EVERYTHING, WHICH I GET BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS, UH, COMMERCIAL STUFF AROUND YOU. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE PUSHING EVERYBODY OUT. JUST MY COMMENT. YEAH. UH, MY RESPONSE TO THE DENSITY IS, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED AT 400 ON THE TOWN OF ADDISON SIDE AND WE'RE DOWN TO THE 365. [01:30:01] SO WE DID LOOK AT THAT. UM, 'CAUSE THAT WAS A PRIOR COMMENT. YEAH, I, I MEAN, ONE THOUGHT I WAS JUST GONNA ON THE PARKING, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY. SO THIS UNIQUE SCENARIO, THE PARKING STRUCTURE EXISTS TODAY, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WE COULD SHRINK IT TO COVER LESS OF THE SITE AND CREATE MORE OPEN SPACE. WE COULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT ALL WE WOULD DO IS LIKE TAKE A LEVEL OFF OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. IT WOULDN'T RESULT IN MORE OPEN SPACE. NO. IT IS A SIMPLE, IF MY UNIT IS, UH, ESPECIALLY THE UNITS THAT OPEN UP TO THE STREET, I'M GONNA HAVE, UH, AM I REALLY GOING TO PUSH MY VISITORS OR WHAT HAVE YOU TO THE GARAGE AND THEY'RE WALKING, YOU KNOW, I HAD HOW LONG THAT IS? I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THE WAY THAT, UH, IT IS DEVELOPED, WE'RE GONNA WIND UP WITH A LOT OF STREET PARKING, JUST HOW IT'S GONNA BE. AND I'LL JUST ADD A COMMENT ON THE, SO PEOPLE LIKE COVERED PARKING IN TEXAS, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT WILL BE AN, UH, OVERRIDING FACTOR OF THE PRODUCING. UM, ARE THERE GONNA BE STREET PARKS DURING THE DAY? PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, OF COURSE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL UNITS. UM, BUT WITH THE ABUNDANCY OF PARKING IN THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA HAVE TO PARK ON THE FARTHEST ROW. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE SKY BRIDGES MULTIPLE THAT COME ACROSS TO HELP YOU ELIMINATE YOUR, YOUR WALK TIME. THE CONDOMINIUMS HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES. THERE IS SOME STREET PARKING ON LANDMARK INSERTED. SO I THINK THAT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE NUMBER OF CARS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CURB CUTS THAT, THAT COME OUT, UM, ON THE FARMER'S BRANCH SIDE. UH, I THINK WE'RE, CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE'RE MAKING SOME THERE YET. I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL SIX. ABOUT SIX BASES. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, AND I CAN ADD A BIT OF COLOR ED. UH, I RIDE THE BUS ROUTE THAT GOES DOWN THIS, UH, WHEN I GO TO THE OFFICE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO UTILIZE THE STOPS. SO I, I, I THINK THAT CONNECTIVITY IS, IS A GOOD THING TO ADD. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION ABOUT THAT WITH REGARDS TO CONNECTIVITY. YOU KNOW, FARMERS' BRANCH HAS GOT A MASTER TRAIL PLAN. IT'S QUITE EXTENSIVE, AND ONE SECTION OF IT IS COMING UP THAT RAIL CORRIDOR THAT'S JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM LANDMARK. AND SO WE'VE TALKED WITH THE CITY ALREADY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY COOPERATIVE WITH REGARDS TO US CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, IN WHATEVER VERSION IT HAS TO BE LIKELY ACROSS WALK, UM, DOWN HERE WHERE THE STREET TURNS TO GET OVER THERE, AND THEN ANOTHER CROSSWALK FURTHER UP TO GET YOU INTO THE QUORUM AREA. SO, AND WE LOOKED AT OTHER PATHS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER PATH THAT GOES STRAIGHT UP FROM ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROJECT THROUGH A SERIES OF PARKING LOTS. UH, BUT IT'S A WALKABLE PATH NOW THAT'S, THAT'S DEALING WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S HARD TO MAKE PROMISES, BUT FOR SURE, UH, WE'LL BE COMPLETING THE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO GET THE CITY'S PERMISSION BECAUSE THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. THE MISSING SECTION THAT COMES AROUND THE CORNER ONCE YOU GET OFF THE LANDMARK TO, UH, MAKE THAT CON CONNECTION COMPLETE AND THE FURTHEST WALK IS TO BELTLINE. IT'S ABOUT 15 MINUTES TO GET TO EVERYTHING IN THAT, IN THAT AREA. SO THE INWOOD INITIATIVE, THE IN THE QUORUM INITIATIVES WILL BE SERVED, UH, IN, IN THAT VERSION WITH, WITH OUR RESIDENTS. SO, UM, I, I'VE FORGOTTEN YOUR NAME, SIR. HERBERT HERBERT. UM, I, YOU MADE AN INTERESTING COMMENT ABOUT, UH, TAX BASE AND STA TAX STABILITY. AND I, I'D BE CURIOUS IF YOU WOULD CARE TO COMMENT. WE HAVE A HOUSING POLICY IN, IN ADDISON, UH, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE MORE OWNERSHIP AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WOULD IMPACT THAT HA HAS RELATIVE TO A RENTAL OWNER, UM, AND RENTAL PROPERTY, WHICH IS EVALUATED ON A DIFFERENT BASIS THAN A RESIDENTIAL HOME. UM, AREN'T WE REALLY CREATING ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL TAX BASE WHEN WE ADD RENTAL UNITS AS OPPOSED TO STABLE RENTAL? I MEAN, STABLE HOME OWNERSHIP, UH, TAX BASE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S STABLE PROPERTY TAX BASE. UM, IT'S, IT'S MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH, WHICH IN, IN OUR CASE, IN ACTUALLY MANY OF THE CASES, YOU KNOW, IS VERY SUBSTANTIAL TAX BASE. UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A WORTHY GOAL IF YOU'VE IDENTIFIED AND BELIEVE THAT THE RATIO ITSELF IN AND OF ITSELF IS IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, I NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE NUMBERS SHOW, THIS IS LIKE A 0.3%, UH, INCREASE IN THE, UM, THE RENTAL MULTIFAMILY SECTION. SO IT'S, IT, YOU COULD CONSIDER IT DE MINIMUS, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS WE WANT [01:35:01] TO GO THAT DIRECTION AND, YOU KNOW, I, I COULD SUPPORT THAT. YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, I, I LIVE IN IRVING AND WE'RE 68%, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE A LARGE AIRPORT, AND THERE'S A WHOLE AND A LOT OF JOBS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MAKES THAT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THE JOBS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN IRVING THAN LIVE IN IRVING. THAT MAY BE TRUE IN ADDISON AS WELL. UM, MY, MY WHOLE POINT ABOUT THE STABILITY OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY TAX BASE IS, IS IMPORTANT 'CAUSE OF THE FLUCTUATIONS YOU HAVE IN A VERY LARGE COMPONENT, UH, WITH THE SALES TAX REVENUES. SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT $19 MILLION ON THE, ON THE TAX BASE IN TOTAL, AND THAT, THAT INCLUDES THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS PROBABLY WORTH THAT, YOU KNOW, IN AND OF ITSELF. UM, SO, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE IN INCREMENTAL INCREASE THAT CAN BE DONE IN THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, UM, BECAUSE OF ITS COMPATIBILITY AND BECAUSE OF ITS EXCEPTIONAL, UH, QUALITIES. AND THE, THE HOUSING POLICY, YOU KNOW, CONTEMPLATED, YOU KNOW, THAT, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SAY NO MORE APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, IT STRESSES THE GOAL OF INCREASING THE, INCREASING THE, THE, THE RATIO THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO HERE. YOU KNOW, WE ADDED THE CONDOMINIUMS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO, UH, BECOME MORE OF A MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT THAT IS A ADDITIONAL COMPONENT. WE HAVE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT CONFORM TO MIXED USE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THOSE 10 CONDOMINIUMS ARE GONNA TRANSFORM ADDISON, YOU KNOW, INTO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETHING GREAT. BUT IF YOU COULD ALSO JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION THEN I'LL LET YOU GO. UM, COULD YOU SHARE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LISTEN AND ARE FRUSTRATED WHO WANT MORE FEE, SIMPLE HOUSING, UH, THE CHALLENGES OF NOT HAVING THIS PROJECT AS A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY, WHY IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE? I, I KNOW SOME OF THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHY THAT, WHY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN HERE, UH, OR WHY THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN HERE, IN YOUR OPINION. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT REDEVELOPING THE SITE, THAT WAS OUR FIRST, UH, GOAL. SO WE REVIEWED THAT. WE WORKED WITH STAFF A LOT ON THAT IDEA, AND IN ALWAYS THAT, THAT WE COULD EVALUATE IT, IT, IT'S, IT WASN'T FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T MARKET, UH, SENSITIVE FOR THAT AREA TO HAVE A LARGE CONDOMINIUM TOWER. WE, WE DID EVALUATE THAT, UH, IN DETAIL EXTENSIVELY AND MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THAT JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE. AND SO, GO AHEAD. YEAH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN HELP. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING, WE HAVE PROBABLY THE LARGEST CONDOMINIUM PRACTICE IN THE STATE, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. OKAY. UM, I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE CONDOMINIUM PROJECT UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IS AT THE CORNER OF KNOX AND THE KATY TRAIL, IT HAS ROUGHLY 50 UNITS, AND THE MOST EXPENSIVE UNITS ARE OVER $35 MILLION A PIECE. AND THEY'RE PRE-SOLD, AND THEY HAVE TO BE PRE-SOLD TO JUSTIFY THE CONSTRUCTION. THOSE COMPS DON'T EXIST, AND THAT LOW OF DENSITY ISN'T FEASIBLE ON A SITE LIKE THIS. NOW, THESE UNITS WILL BE BUILT TO CONDOMINIUM'S EFFECTS. SO THEY COULD BE, A CONDOMINIUM COULD BE PUT ON MORE OF THE UNITS LATER IF THAT DEMAND EXISTS, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE FINANCING IS NOT AVAILABLE. AND THOSE ARE THE COMPS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO, UM, THE HOUSING POLICY, WHICH WE'VE REFERRED TO MULTIPLE TIMES, I THINK WAS A VERY HARD FOUGHT PROCESS IN THIS TOWN. UM, AND IT OCCURRED FOR A REASON, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, OUR RATIO OF MULTIFAMILY TO FEE SIMPLE IS ARGUABLY THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY. UM, SO WE HOLD IT PRETTY SACROSANCT. AND WHEN PEOPLE USE THE WORD EXTRAORDINARY, UM, THE EXPECTATION IS IT IS TRULY EXTRAORDINARY AND OR EXCEPTIONAL. AND WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR AUGUST PLAN TO THIS PLAN, I SEE STUFF ON THE MARGINS. I SEE 10 TOWNHOUSES, I SEE A LIVE WORK PLAY OR LIVE WORK SECTION THAT COULD BE BASICALLY A, A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT. I SEE PUBLIC PARK AREAS THAT ARE VERY DI MINIMIS, AND I SEE A HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEX. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT FRANKLY CONCERNS ME THE MOST IS YOU MENTIONED THE CONDOS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF LIABILITY ISSUES, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH CONDOS, BUT YOU COULD ARGUABLY PUT 60 [01:40:01] TO 90 TOWN HOMES ON THIS SITE. NOW, IS THE MARKET THERE? SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PUSH THE MARKET. I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M RETIRED REAL ESTATE GUY. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU I KNOW CURRENT STUFF, BUT WE'RE SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A POLICY THAT WE ABIDE BY AND WE BELIEVE IN. AND, AND FRANKLY, I DO BELIEVE IN THIS POLICY. SO IS IT A DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS? HARD TO SAY, BUT I THINK FROM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, UM, THIS IS A BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO DETERIORATE. UH, I ACTUALLY HAD A COLLEAGUE WHO HAD AN OFFICE IN THIS BUILDING. UH, IT WAS FUNCTIONAL. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A CLASS A, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY A, B OR C. UH, IT'S BEEN ALLOWED TO DETERIORATE TO THE POINT THAT YOU MAY HAVE LESS OPTIONS TODAY THAN YOU DID. UM, BUT AGAIN, OUR POLICY AS A TOWN IS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE OFF THE, THE FEE SIMPLE, IT HAS TO BE EXCEPTIONAL. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT, FRANKLY I'M STRUGGLING WITH. OKAY. I'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS. UM, LET'S, LET'S, UH, THINK ABOUT THIS. UH, FIRST OFF, I DO BELIEVE THIS IS EXCEPTIONAL. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A, A MEANINGFUL JOB COMING TOGETHER, UH, TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, CONCERNS THAT WE HAD. AND I VOTED AGAINST THIS THE FIRST TIME, AND I'M, I'M FAIRLY IMPRESSED BY WHAT I SEE. UM, I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE BIGGEST THING THAT CONCERNS ME, THAT IF WE DON'T BUILD THIS, WE GET THE FARMER'S BRANCH COMPONENT, WHICH I WOULD IMAGINE IS AT LEAST MARGINALLY MORE EXPENSIVE FROM A PUBLIC SERVICE PERSPECTIVE, MARGINALLY MORE POSSIBLE A FIRE CAN HAPPEN IN A PLACE THAT'S HOUSED BY PEOPLE THAN AN EMPTY PARKING GARAGE THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE SERVED. AND SO WE, WE WOULD SHARE THE COST AS MAKES SENSE WITHIN THE, THE CONTEXT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES AGREEMENTS, BUT WE DON'T REAP THE BENEFIT IF WE DENY THIS, RIGHT? AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS A FEW MILLION UPFRONT AS WELL AS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT A MILLION EACH YEAR IN, UH, REVENUE. I MEAN, THAT PAYS FOR COPS, THAT PAYS FOR TEACHERS. UM, THOSE PEOPLE WILL COME, THEY'LL SPEND, THEY'LL SPEND THEIR MONEY IN ADDISON, UM, AND, UM, WHAT HAVE YOU THAT THAT BRINGS. AND IT ALSO BRINGS MORE PROBABLY HIGHLY EDUCATED INDIVIDUALS INTO THE WORKFORCE. SO IF WE'RE GONNA BE, IF WE'RE THE NEARBY WORKFORCE, SO IF WE'RE GONNA BE FILLING THESE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE A VARIETY OF USES AS WE WERE DISCUSSING, UM, THAT PROXIMITY IS A BIG, IS A BIG FACTOR. ENVIRONMENTALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE TREES THINGS, AND, AND YOU GUYS MADE EFFORTS TO SAVE A FEW MORE, WHICH I APPRECIATE THE LARGEST CAUSES OF CLIMATE CHANGE, WHICH MY GENERATION WILL GET TO REAP OF, OF WHAT PREVIOUS GENERATIONS HAVE SOWN ARE FROM ENERGY, TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE. RIGHT? AND THESE ARE ON BROAD LEVELS, RIGHT? SO, UM, NOT USING, UH, RENEWABLES WILL COST US, UM, TRANSPORTATION, CAR DEPENDENT INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS US, UM, AND LAND USE COSTS US, WHEN I THINK THAT FAR OUT IN PRINCETON OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUILDING LOW DENSITY THINGS THAT COST RESOURCES TO SERVE IN A DISPERSED PATTERN, PROMOTE CAR DEPENDENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA, THAT COSTS US MORE THAN IN A LONG TERM. AND IT DOES, IT DOES FROM A CARBON PERSPECTIVE THAN A FEW TREES LOST. SO HAVING PEOPLE CLOSER TO THE JOBS, CLOSER TO THE ECONOMIC CENTER, CLOSER TO PUBLIC TRANSPORT, I THINK IS A STRONGER ENVIRONMENTAL ARGUMENT. AND, UH, SO, WHICH IS WHY I, I GENERALLY SUPPORT URBANIZING THE CORE, AND ADDISON IS IN THE CORE, UM, RENTER. I MEAN, I'M A RENTER. I DON'T THINK I BITE TOO HARD. UM, IS THERE ANY COMMENT THE COMMISSIONERS COULD MAKE ON LIKE, WHY THIS, I UNDERSTAND THIS DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE PERCENTAGE WISE, BUT IT DOES ADD MORE OWNERSHIP HOUSING, LIKE ON AN ABSOLUTE BASIS. I'M JUST, I WANNA OWN A HOME SOMEDAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHY. RENT, WHY, WHY IS RENTING BAD? WHAT'S THE LOSS HERE? NO ONE SAID IT WAS, NO, NO ONE SAID THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. ONLY YOU. BUT SO, SO IF WE'RE GONNA CONTROL THE PROPORTION AND UNDERSTANDING THE ECONOMICS AND THAT MORE OWNERSHIP HOUSING, AT LEAST RECENTLY LARGELY DOESN'T GET BUILT WITHOUT SOME SORT OF MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT TO HELP FINANCE IT. WELL, TY, TYLER, USING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, SCENARIO, IMAGINE A FUTURE WHERE ALL OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS WERE CONVERTED INTO TO MULTI-FAMILY, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY JOBS HERE. OKAY? BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. UM, SO, AND, AND IF WE THINKING ABOUT THAT, IF WE, IF WE TAKE THE PLAN FOR THE MORE RECENTLY PASSED COMP PLAN, WHICH DISCUSSES THE REDEVELOPMENT OF INWOOD CORRIDOR, THERE'S OPTIONS FOR KIND OF A BIT MORE ARTISTIC, A LITTLE BIT MORE KIND OF WAREHOUSE, UM, SORT OF OFFBEAT SPACES THAT ARE STILL HIGHLY VALUABLE THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THIS DISTRICT IN A, IN, IN A REDEVELOPMENT VISION, KIND OF THAT WE PASSED IN THE COMP PLAN. UM, THIS BRINGS THOSE, THOSE [01:45:01] PEOPLE CLOSER TO THAT. UM, AND I, AND I, I THINK NOBODY WANTS 100% OF ANY SORT OF ONE LAND USE, RIGHT? ADDISON SUCCEEDS IN ITS DIVERSITY, BUT, UM, I THINK BRINGING RESIDENTS TO THAT AS A VANGUARD TO THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE DID PASS AND RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL, UM, AT LEAST IDEA WISE IS A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? OKAY. HAVING SEEN NONE, I WILL AT THIS TIME OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? EITHER IN PERSON OR IN LINE? OKAY. HAVING SEEN NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS HEARING. AND IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSION? GO AHEAD, JIMMY. I'M WAITING FOR A MOTION. HOLD ON. WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING. SO IS EVERYBODY GOOD QUESTION. ANSWERED CONVERSATION. TYLER, YOU'RE LIGHT'S ON? YEAH, I THINK I'M GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM A COMMISSIONER AT THIS TIME? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF CASE 1 9 4 9 Z. THE PRINCETON. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY HAVING SEEN IT? THE MOTION IS DENIED. UM, WE WILL BE MOVING ON [4. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) for property located at 5000 Belt Line Road, Suite 430 that is currently zoned Planned Development (PD), Ordinance No. 004-001, for a restaurant to allow late-night hours of operation. Case 1952-SUP/Insomnia Cookies Late-Night Hours. ] TO NUMBER FOUR. WILL THE PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT? DISCUSS WHAT? UM, COULD YOU PLEASE CONFIRM THE VOTE? JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT WITH MAYBE HANDS. OKAY. SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. IT'S HARD SOMETIMES. OKAY. WHEN EVERYONE'S MIC'S NOT ON TO PICKUP EVERYONE. YAY. AYE, AYE. NAY, NAY. TWO NAYS. SORRY, I MIGHT'VE SAID ONE. SORRY, I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU. NO, THAT'S OKAY. THANKS LESLIE. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, LET'S GO TO MOTION NUMBER FOUR. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AN ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5,000 BELTLINE, SUITE 4,300 THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED. PLAN PD ORDINANCE 0 0 4 DASH 0 0 1 FOR A RESTAURANT TO ALLOW LATE NIGHT HOURS OF OPERATION CASE 1952 DASH SUP, INSOMNIA COOKIES, LATE NIGHT HOURS. OH, COREY, PRESENTATION PLEASE. UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, AGAIN. COREY BECK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. TONIGHT I HAVE BEFORE YOU A, UH, SUP SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST, UH, FOR LATE NIGHT HOURS. THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR FIRST, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR SOLELY LATE NIGHT HOURS FOR A RESTAURANT. UM, PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD BEEN INTER INTERTWINED WITH OTHER, UH, COMPONENTS, UM, USUALLY FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION ON SITE, UM, OR HOOKAH OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR FIRST ONE FOR SOLELY, UH, FOR, UH, THE LATE NIGHT HOURS. SO WITH THAT, I HAVE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT IS FROM 2004 AND THERE IS A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF RESTAURANTS AND COMMERCIAL USES, UM, IN THE AREA AS WELL AS THE SITE ITSELF. UM, INSOMNIA COOKIES ACTUALLY OPENED IN LATE DECEMBER, EARLY JANUARY, 2026. THEIR CO PROCESS WAS IN DECEMBER. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHEN THEY OFFICIALLY OPENED THEIR DOORS, BUT THEY DID COMPLETE ALL THEIR CO REQUIREMENTS. UM, IN DECEMBER. UH, THEY CHOSE TO CLOSE AT 11:00 PM AT THAT TIME SO THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS PRIOR TO OPENING. UM, THE SPACE IS CURRENTLY AROUND 1400 SQUARE FEET AND AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THERE'S ABOUT 375 SQUARE FEET FOR, UH, CUSTOMERS. I DO HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND. THIS SITE DOES NOT SELL ALCOHOL AND THAT IS NOT A PART OF THIS REQUEST. AND THE APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW FOR SEATING FOR UP TO 10 PEOPLE, UM, SO THAT CUSTOMERS CAN EAT ON SITE. RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO SEATING FOR, UM, ONSITE CONSUMPTION, UH, TO, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE CHOSE TO DO THAT. TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS FOR RESTAURANTS. UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ABOUT 375 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE SPACE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, SORRY, OF THE SCREEN THAT HAS A D IN IT. UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE CUSTOMER FACING, UM, AREA WHERE, UM, THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING IN. UH, THE REST OF THE SPACE IS KITCHEN, UM, AND BATHROOMS. THEY ARE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, BUT, UH, THE REST OF THE SPACE IS KITCHEN FOR BAKING THE COOKIES. SO THE PROPOSAL FOR [01:50:01] THE HOURS OF OPERATION IS, UM, BEAR WITH ME, UM, A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR EACH DAY, BUT FOR SUNDAY FOR NOON TO 1:00 AM FROM MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, 11:00 AM TO 1:00 AM THURSDAY AND FRIDAY 11:00 AM TO 3:00 PM AND SATURDAY NOON TO 3:00 AM AS WELL. UM, STAFF DID, UH, LOOK AT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WITH RESTAURANTS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THIS SITE. THERE ARE 45 OF THEM, UM, ROUGHLY, UM, UH, ABOUT 27% OF THOSE RESTAURANTS CLOSE AFTER 11:00 PM ON ANY GIVEN DAY OF THE WEEK. UM, SO NOT, NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT FOLLOWED THIS, UM, PROPOSAL, BUT ON ANY GIVEN DAY, THE TABLE SHOWS WHERE THOSE RESTAURANTS, UH, THE NUMBER OF RESTAURANTS THAT CLOSE, UM, AT DIFFERENT TIMES ON DIFFERENT DAYS OF THE WEEK. THE RED BOXES ARE WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THE, UH, RESTAURANT FOR THE CLOSING TIME. AND THE ONLY OTHER, UH, RESTAURANT THAT CLOSES AT 3:00 AM IS ACTUALLY IS A LOT PIZZA, WHICH, UM, IS DOWN JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE, FROM THIS, UH, UH, PROPERTY. WE DID NOTICE FOR 200, UH, EVERYBODY WITHIN 200 FEET, UH, WE, THAT WAS 10 NOTICES, UM, HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING, UM, FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND LIKE I SAID, STAFF HAS, EVALU HAS EVALUATED IT, IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE TOWN'S POLICIES AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. UM, WE DO HAVE THAT IF YOU, UM, DO CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITION. AND THAT IS THAT ANY FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE BUSINESS FOR UH, ONSITE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL WOULD REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. OKAY, THANKS COREY. QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, AND IT'S A BIGGER QUESTION ABOUT VILLAGE. ON THE PARKWAY. UH, THEY HAVE SECURITY AT NIGHT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY PATROL, LIKE PATROL, LIKE, NOT ADDISON COPS. I'M TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE. YES, THEY DO. YES. AND WHAT TIME DOES THAT PATROL? IS IT ALL NIGHT OR IS IT NOT? I THINK IT'S ALL NIGHT. SO, UM, I CAN'T CONFIRM AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, BUT PREVIOUSLY THEY DID DO ALL, THEY DID PATROL ALL NIGHT. 'CAUSE UM, IT, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE HAD SOME ISSUES LAST YEAR, UM, WITH CAR THEFT AS WELL AS CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT. AND SO THEY DID BE, WE, UH, THE TOWN BEEFED UP. UM, ALSO OUR PATROL, NOT NEC NOT EXCLUSIVELY AT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, BUT IN GENERAL, UM, BUT ALSO VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY DID BEEF UP THEIR SECURITY AS WELL AS, UM, I BELIEVE ADDISON WALKED IT AS WELL. OKAY. SO DOES THAT SECURITIES ALLOW, ARE THEY, WHAT IS THEIR, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS WHAT'S GONNA PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BRINGING THEIR OWN ALCOHOL AND TRY TO SIT HERE IS, IS THAT SECURITY GUY GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT OR IS THAT GONNA BECOME AN OFFICER OF HAVING TO CALL ADDISON POLICE TO ENFORCE? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET ENFORCED? THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS IS, IS MONITORING OTHERS BRINGING ALCOHOL TO THIS FACILITY WHEN IT'S ALL THE OTHER THINGS AROUND IT ARE CLOSED. I MEAN, LIKE, DO WE REALLY HAVE AN, AND THEN, SORRY, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS TO SEND IT TO YOU EARLIER. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE FINE. UH, BYOB UH, BRING YOUR OWN BEVERAGE WOULD, UH, UH, NOT BE ALLOWED. UM, 'CAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE LISTED AS PART OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. CORRECT? I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA GET ENFORCED. YEAH. UM, I MEAN THAT WOULD LIKELY, UH, INITIALLY BE THE STORE, WHOEVER IS OPERATING THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. UM, 'CAUSE THEY LIKELY DON'T WANT THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY EITHER. UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY I THINK, I THINK THERE'S AN ESCALATION, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER OF, UH, THE EXACT, UM, PROCEDURE FOR THAT. BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE AN ESCALATING PROCEDURE INCLUDING, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A MANAGER OR WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE ON DUTY FOR THAT COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT POTENTIALLY ESCALATING TO SITE SECURITY IF APPLICABLE. UM, AND ESCALATING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF, IF ULTIMATELY THEY'RE UNSUCCESSFUL WITH COOPERATION WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL. SO WOULD THIS FALL UNDER YOUR REALM AT ALL OF CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES COMING BACK THROUGH YOU? OR WOULD THIS TOTALLY BECOME POLICE ISSUES? SO IF SOMEONE WAS, UM, OPERATING A-B-Y-O-B ESTABLISHMENT THAT WAS PROHI, THAT WAS PROHIBITED TO DO SO THAT WOULD BE A ZONING VIOLATION. THAT WOULD BE A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE. NOW, IF SOMEONE WAS, UM, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, BELLIGERENT AND ACTING INAPPROPRIATELY, THAT INDIVIDUAL SHOULD CALL, YOU KNOW, 9 1 1 OR NOT THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS SHOULD CALL 9 1 1 TO HAVE IT IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED IN THAT INDIVIDUAL REMOVED. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY WE, I MEAN WE'RE A SMALL, SMALL STAFF, UH, CLOSE-KNIT STAFF. SO WE WOULD TYPICALLY HEAR ABOUT ISSUES LIKE THAT, UM, AND COORDINATE. [01:55:01] SO, SO DOES THIS CREATE ANY CONCERNS FOR YOU AS TO ENFORCEMENT OF KEEPING SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN? NOT NECESSARILY FROM A-A-B-Y-O-B PERSPECTIVE? UM, I MEAN, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE POWER TO GO BACK TO THAT OWNER, MANAGER, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT? I WOULD ULTIMATELY SAY IT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T FOLLOWING WHAT WE AGREED UPON AND CURTAIL IT FROM HAPPENING OR, YEAH. SO ULTIMATE STRIPPING THIS MM-HMM . MIDWAY. YEAH. SO ULTIMATELY I DO BELIEVE, UM, CITY COUNCIL, UM, HAS THE POWER TO REVOKE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF APPROPRIATE. UM, BUT WE WOULD, WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD FOLLOW OUR TYPICAL CODE COMPLIANCE PROCESS, WHICH, UM, ONCE AGAIN, ESCALATING PROCESS ON THE, IF SOMEONE IS, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, BUT FOR A CODE COMPLIANCE PROCESS THAT WOULD INCLUDE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, A CITATION, AND YOU COULD HAVE, WE COULD ENFORCE A A, A FINE IN CITATION, UM, PER DAY THAT THE VIOLATION IS OCCURRING. UM, AND ULTIMATELY IF THAT ESCALATES, WE COULD GO SO FAR AS TO POTENTIALLY REVOKING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. UM, I WILL SAY WE HAVE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS IN ADDISON. UM, GRANTED THIS ONE'S LATE NIGHT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHERS THAT DON'T SELL ALCOHOL, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO, TO MONITOR THEIR BYOB ACTIVITY. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S ALL I WAS CONCERNED OF. OKAY. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THE APPLICANT HERE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE, UM, FOR INSOMNIA COOKIES IS HERE. UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WE'LL GET TO OH, OKAY. YOU COME AND MAKE AFTER THIS. I, SO THIS IS JUST PRESENTATION. THESE ARE JUST COREY'S, COREY'S QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, GUYS. FAIR ENOUGH. I'M LEARNING. I'M LEARNING. IT'S OKAY. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE SUMMARY OF TIME? OF COURSE. AND WHO IS THE ONE BUSINESS THAT'S OPERATING, UH, TO 2:00 AM AGAIN, I COULDN'T FIND IT. UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT PULLED UP. UM, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. UM, I DID INCLUDE IN THE TABLE THREE AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 3:00 AM ALAN? NO, THE 3:00 AM IS THE REQUEST. CORRECT. THERE'S ALSO, IT'S A LOT IS OPEN. THAT'S THE LOT. PIZZA. OH YEAH, I'M SAYING THE, UH, YEAH, SO, UM, THE NUMBERS ARE THE EXISTING TODAY THE RED BOX IS IS THE REQUEST. THE REQUEST, YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T SURE. THANK YOU. OH, GOTCHA. UM, NO, JUST GONNA CALL THIS OUT HERE. UM, I'VE GOT THE 2025 ANNUAL POLICE REPORT UP FROM THE TOWN OF ADDISON. ALCOHOL RELATED CRIMES WENT DOWN 6.3% FROM 2024. UH, THAT'S, SO THAT'S LESS DRUNK DRIVERS, UH, BEING ARRESTED. SO WE CAN PRESUME OUR FACILITIES DO HAVE SOME SORT OF HANDLE ON THIS. UM, AND I, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A SPOT MAP, BUT I'M LIKE, IT'S A LOT'S OPEN TILL THREE. I CAN IMAGINE THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY HOME FROM BARS GETTING THAT OR TAKING AN UBER OR WALKING FROM THE ADDISON IMPROV. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE WORLD'S ENDED. SO I I I, I FEEL RELATIVELY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN HANDLE THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE SEEN THEM. I, I JUST HAVE SOME COMMENTS. I, I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE DRINKING AND EATING COOKIES MATCH UP, BUT I DON'T DRINK MUCH, SO I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S SOME TYPE OF LIQUOR OUT THERE THAT GOES WELL WITH COOKIES DON'T KNOW OF I, UM, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ZIOT, WHICH IS A WALK UP AND TAKE IT OUT OR DELIVERY UNTIL 3:00 AM VERSUS A DINING ROOM, ALTHOUGH 300 AND SQUARE, 75 SQUARE FEET BEING OPEN. AND MY CONCERN IS NOT SO MUCH THE, THE PEOPLE BUYING THE COOKIES, BUT THE PEOPLE WORKING IN THE STORE WHO MAYBE PUT THEMSELVES AT RISK AT, IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN FROM TWO TO THREE ARE LEAVING THE BARS WHEN YOU'RE BEHIND THE WINDOW. IT'S A LOT, YOU'RE A LOT SAFER THAN, THAN WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF SOMEONE AT A CASH REGISTER. JUST TO COMMENT. UM, SO THIS, UH, SORRY. PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT, THAT THAT'S ALL. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER FACILITIES THAT I THINK THEY ALREADY OPERATE LATE, SO THAT'S DE'S ALL I WAS GONNA PUNT TO THEM. UM, THE, AND SPEAKING OF THE IN-STORE, UM, CONSUMPTION PORTION FOR EATING IN, UM, THAT IS JUST AN OPTION. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT PEOPLE DO. UM, I WOULD SAY, UH, PROBABLY MAJORITY OF THEIR BUSINESS IS A TAKE AND GO OR AN ORDERING GO. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, CAN ABSOLUTELY LET THE APPLICANT, UM, SPEAK ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COREY. DOES APPLICANT WANNA COME TO THE PODIUM? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION, THAT'S FINE, JUST LET US KNOW AND THEN THE FIRING WILL START. . HI, UM, I'M EMILY HUNT. I'M, MY ADDRESS IS 5 7 0 4 SPRING VALLEY. I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER HER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WHO HAS QUESTIONS? QUICK QUESTION. WHY THREE? WELL, WE STARTED IN 2003. [02:00:01] OUR CEO, SETH BERKOWITZ NOTICED THERE IS AN OVERNIGHT NEED FOR A SWEET TREAT. HE STARTED BAKING COOKIES IN HIS DORM ROOM AND DELIVERED THEM OUT OF HIS DORM ROOM AT UPENN. UM, AND HERE WE ARE TODAY, 23 YEARS LATER, I THINK. SO, I MEAN, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THAT TOO, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE TEAM IS TWO O'CLOCK FEELS LIKE A, A REASONABLY LATE HOUR. TWO TO THREE IS KIND OF A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIBE WHERE MOST OF THE BARS ARE THEN CLOSED AND PEOPLE ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, LEAVING, IF YOU WILL. SO I'M JUST, I THINK IT'S TO CAPTURE THOSE THAT ARE LEAVING THE BAR. I, I, WE DON'T TYPICALLY GET A LOT OF BUSINESS FROM TWO TO THREE. WE DO GET SOME HERE AND THERE. WE REALLY ARE BUSY UP UNTIL ABOUT TWO, BUT THAT LAST HOUR IS JUST TO CAPTURE THOSE LAST COUPLE PEOPLE. YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER THAT IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE LEAVING THE BARS, RIGHT. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN ADDISON THAT WORK DIFFERENT HOURS, THEY WORK, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . THEY WORK AT NIGHT AND THIS COULD BE AN OPTION FOR THEM TO GET SOMETHING AT THAT TIME. MM-HMM . HOW MANY FACILITIES DO YOU HAVE ACROSS THE US? I'M JUST CURIOUS. UM, UH, MORE THAN THREE 50. WE'RE WORLDWIDE. WE HAVE SOME IN CANADA AND THE UK AS WELL. AND THIS IS YOUR BUSINESS PLAN? YEAH. YEAH. THEY'RE ALL, MOST LOCATIONS. I COULD MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S 10 ACROSS THE WHOLE COMPANY THAT AREN'T OPEN UNTIL THREE. THANK YOU. WHAT PERCENTAGE YOUR BUSINESS IS RETAIL WALK-IN VERSUS DELIVERY? JUST BALLPARK, JUST CURIOUS. BALLPARK, 60 40. IT'S PROBABLY 60% WALK-IN 40% DELIVERY, GIVE OR TAKE. THANK YOU. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. SORRY, , JUST TO COMMENT. YEARS AGO I WOULD'VE BEEN A BIG, BIG FAN AND WOULD'VE BEEN THERE EVERY OTHER NIGHT. , I WILL SAY, JUST TO COMMENT ON THE CONCERN FOR THE ALCOHOL, LIKE BEING BROUGHT ONTO THE PROPERTY, AS FAR AS I KNOW, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING, BUT IF IT DID, THE EMPLOYEES ON SITE WOULD SHUT IT DOWN IMMEDIATELY. KICK 'EM OUT. YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING BECOMES LIKE AN ISSUE, THEY'LL LOCK THE DOORS AND, AND CALL SECURITY OR CALL THE POLICE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE, THEY, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE TRESPASSED. WE DON'T, WE DON'T OFFER THAT AS ANYTHING THAT COULD HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY. WELL, AND YOU ALL OPERATE IN A LOT OF COLLEGE TOWNS, RIGHT? SO LIKE, I KNOW I'VE SEEN YOU GUYS AT EM AND OTHER PLACES, SO THAT'S OUR MAIN DEMOGRAPHIC. BUT WE HAVE STARTED EXPANDING INTO THESE CITY LOCATIONS AS WELL. I, I, I PERSONALLY WASN'T OVERLY CONCERNED, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO, I THINK IT'S OUR DUTY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS. SO I, I THINK IT LONG, IT'S OUT ON PUBLIC RECORD THAT WE ASKED AND WE ALL LOGICALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? OKAY. HAVING SEEN NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? OH, SORRY, I GOTTA OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC. SORRY, I FORGOT THE PUBLIC. LEMME DO THAT REAL QUICK. AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, EITHER IN PERSON OR ONLINE? LESLIE. OKAY. HAVING SEEN NONE, UH, I WILL CLOSE THE PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL GO AHEAD. I MOVE APPROVAL OF, UH, CRAP THAT I SHOULD HAVE EATEN A BIGGER SNACK BEFORE I THOUGH COOKIES. YEAH, I KNOW. NO. OKAY. I MOVE APPROVAL OF, OF THE CASE S NOT CASE 1952 DASH U INSOMNIA COOKIES, LATE NIGHT HOURS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. DO I HAVE SECOND PROPOSAL TO AMEND? DOESN'T THAT MEAN THE EXISTING MOTION NEEDS TO BE DECIDED ON FIRST? NO. NO. OH, OKAY. YEAH, CARRY ON. UM, I, I'D MOTION TO APPROVE WITH AMENDMENT TILL TWO FOR A 2:00 AM CLOSURE ON THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR ALAN'S MOTION? CAN I SECOND FOR TYLER? NOT YET. OKAY. HAVING SEEN NO MO NO SECOND FOR ALAN'S, UH, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO TYLER'S ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH WAS TO APPROVE SUP 1952, CASE 50 19 52. SORRY. ALL SET. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. CONGRATS. THANK YOU FOR COMING. SORRY YOU HAD TO WAIT SO LONG. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, UH, CITIZENS WILL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON ANY MATTER OTHER THAN PERSONAL MATTERS UNDER LITIGATION FOR A LENGTH OF TIME NOT TO EXCEED THREE MINUTES. NO P AND Z ACTION OR DISCUSSION MAY TAKE TAKE PLACE AT ANY MATTER ON ANY MATTER UNTIL SUCH MATTER HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE AGENDA AND POSTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW. [02:05:02] YEP. IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE OR ANYBODY, PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, HAVING SEEN NONE, I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING FOR THE EVENING. THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.