[2. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.]

CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.

THE COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSS ANY ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

I DO HAVE ONE COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD AND SO I WILL CALL ON MARK ALBERT.

YES, PLEASE. AND IF YOU WOULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING. I'M MARK ALBERT 2900 MACKINNON IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

BUT I'VE BEEN A PROPERTY OWNER SINCE 1977. AND I'VE COME HERE TONIGHT TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT THE ADDISON, THE ADVANCE ADDISON 2050 PLAN AND HOW IT PARTICULARLY AFFECTS MY PROPERTIES.

ONE OF THE PROPERTIES I'M INVOLVED IN, THREE PROPERTIES IN ADDISON.

ONE OF THESE IS 1.7 ACRES. THAT'S BEHIND THE PAYWALL ON ADDISON ROAD.

AND IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE. WELL, I THINK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THREE DECADES, SINCE PAYLESS CASHWAYS LEFT I BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IN 2017, AND I HAVE A POTENTIAL BUYER FOR THE PROPERTY.

AND THE FIRST TIME I HEARD ABOUT THE ADVANCE ADDISON PLAN WAS WHEN MY BUYER CAME IN FOR A PRE PERMIT MEETING, AND THERE WERE ASPECTS OF IT THAT WERE A LITTLE DISCONCERTING.

SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE THE CONCEPT OF WALKABILITY IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S IT'S AN ADMIRABLE CONCEPT. IN CERTAIN PARTS OF ADDISON IS NOT A REALLY A VIABLE OPTION DURING THIS SECTION OF ADDISON ROAD.

WALKABILITY REQUIRES MULTIPLE CONTIGUOUS BLOCKS TO WORK, AND THESE SEVERAL BLOCKS ARE HEMMED IN BY BEING NEXT TO AND UNDERNEATH THE AIRPORT'S APPROACH PATH TO THE WEST AND BELTLINE TO THE SOUTH.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WALKABILITY REQUIRES RESIDENTS.

BUT RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION CANNOT HAPPEN HERE DUE TO THE FAA'S NOISE CONTOUR.

SO WITHOUT OFFICE BEING POSSIBLE AND WITHOUT RESIDENTIAL, THESE FACTORS TAKE THE IDEA OF EVEN MULTI-USE OFF THE TABLE, AND YOU SHOULD ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE NEIGHBORING CONTEXT IS ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED.

ALMOST ALL THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY BUILT TO THEIR HIGHEST POTENTIAL, AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE THIS CONFIGURATION CHANGING FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER LIFETIME.

THE WALKABILITY REQUIREMENT THAT THE TOWN IS ASKING OF US, OR HAS ENCOURAGED US TO FOLLOW FORCES UPON US.

AN UNCONVENTIONAL SITE PLAN RESULTING IN A BUILDING WHOSE ENTRY MUST FACE THE PARKING LOT TO THE EAST, AND WITH THE BUILDING'S BACK FACING ADDISON ROAD.

THIS CONFIGURATION IS NOT ONLY MARKEDLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS UP AND DOWN ADDISON ROAD IS COMPLETELY CONTRARY TO GOOD RETAIL DESIGN.

THE PLAN'S VISION CONTAINS ALSO A HARSH CONTRAST ACROSS ADDISON ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE.

IT'S INDICATED TO HAVE AVIATION ON THE INDUSTRY AND ON THE EAST SIDE, AN URBAN VILLAGE.

SEEMS TO ME THERE SHOULD BE SOME TRANSITION BETWEEN THE TWO DISTRICT TYPES.

FOR THESE REASONS, THEN POSSIBILITY OF POPULATION DENSITY, THE INABILITY TO CREATE MULTI-USE PROJECTS, AND THE AIRPORT'S PROXIMITY. THE IDEA OF WALKABILITY AT A MINIMUM SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM ALL PROPERTIES UNDERNEATH INSIDE THE AIRPORT'S NOISE CONTOUR. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO THINK THAT ALISON WOULD BE RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMON SENSE NEEDS OF ITS PROPERTY OWNERS, AND NOT LAY OUT UNNECESSARILY COMPLICATED RESTRICTIONS THAT PREVENT US FROM COMPLYING WITH MARKET CONDITIONS.

SO THAT'S MY $0.02, YOU MARK. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. WELL SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE A COUNCIL QUESTIONS.

[3. Council Member Clarification Requests Regarding Consent Agenda Items. ]

AND ACTUALLY WE'LL DO A CLARIFICATION REQUEST REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS NEEDED ON CONSENT ITEMS FROM COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THREE A COUNCIL. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

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THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL SENDS IN TO STAFF REGARDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ARE PUT INTO A Q AND A DOCUMENT, AND SENT OUT TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

AND THAT SAME DOCUMENT IS UPLOADED TO OUR WEBSITE. SO ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN GO TO THE TO THE WEBSITE, FIND THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING. THERE'LL BE A LINK IN THERE THAT THEY CAN DOWNLOAD THAT SAME Q&A DOCUMENT.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR WORK SESSION REPORTS.

[a. Present and discuss a follow-up from the 2026 City Council Strategic Planning Session.]

ITEM FOUR A IS PRESENTED TO DISCUSS A FOLLOW UP FROM THE 2026 CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION.

VALENCIA MAYOR COUNCIL VALENCIA GARCIA, CITY SECRETARY.

HERE TO DO A FOLLOW UP ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE DID OUR ANNUAL STRATEGIC PLANNING RETREAT ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 30TH.

AND WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO TODAY WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO OVER THEM, KIND OF REVIEW THEM WITH YOU AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER CHANGES WE WANT TO MAKE TO WHAT WE DID ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 30TH. SO KIND OF JUST AS A REFRESHER, WE WENT OVER WITH YOU ALL THE INITIATIVES THAT WE FINISHED FROM OUR PLAN FROM 25 TO 26, WE'VE BEEN LISTED HERE. THESE ARE WHAT WE ALSO WENT OVER BEFORE AND AT THE RETREAT.

HERE ARE SOME NEW INITIATIVES WE ADDED AS WELL.

AGAIN, WE WENT OVER THESE BEFORE AND DURING THE RETREAT.

SO FOR OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WHEN WE LOOKED AT ADDING COUNCIL'S INPUT FOR THIS, WE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE KEY FOCUS AREAS AND THEIR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES. BOTH THOSE ARE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE PLAN, KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE.

WHILE THE INITIATIVES ARE MORE STAFF LED AND FOCUSED SO WE CAN CARRY OUT THE OBJECTIVES AND ULTIMATELY THE KEY FOCUS AREAS.

SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF REVIEW THOSE. AND THEN THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE DURING THE RETREAT FOR KEY FOCUS AREA NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC SAFETY, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE KEY FOCUS AREA ITSELF OR ANY OF THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES THAT ARE LISTED HERE.

FOR OUR SECOND KEY FOCUS AREA OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION.

WE DID NOT MAKE CHANGES TO MOST OF OUR OBJECTIVES HERE OR THE KEY FOCUS AREA ITSELF, BUT WE DID MOVE OBJECTIVE 2.5, WHICH IS LEVERAGE THE ADDISON AIRPORT TO MAXIMIZE BUSINESS GROWTH AND EXPANSION OVER TO A NEW KEY FOCUS AREA OF NUMBER SEVEN FOR THE AIRPORT, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER HERE IN JUST A BIT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION, THE KEY FOCUS AREAS AND THE OBJECTIVES REMAIN THE SAME.

SO FOR KEY FOCUS AREA NUMBER THREE, OUR MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY.

WE JUST HAD SOME CHANGES TO OUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES HERE IN THIS AREA.

SO FOR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE AREA 3.2, WE REMOVED THIS SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT THE EAST WEST PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND COMBINED IT WITH 3.6 WHICH IS IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN SAFETY GENERALLY.

SO THAT IS OUR CHANGE THERE. AND THEN WE ALSO CHANGE OBJECTIVE 3.5 CONNECTING MAJOR DESTINATIONS IN TOWN.

WE JUST CHANGED THE WORDING FOR MAJOR DESTINATIONS TWO POINTS OF INTEREST IN TOWN.

SO THOSE WERE OUR CHANGES. THEIR KEY FOCUS AREA NUMBER FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE.

WE HAD NO CHANGES TO THE KEY FOCUS AREA ITSELF FOR THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES, FOR KEY FOCUS AREA NUMBER FIVE, FINANCIAL HEALTH AND ORGANIZATIONAL EXCELLENCE.

WE DID HAVE SOME CHANGES HERE. 5.2 IMPLEMENT CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT AND BUSINESS PROCESS EFFICIENCIES MAXIMIZING THE ADDISON WILLIAM BRAND. WE SIMPLY CHANGED THE LAST PART OF THIS TO READ MAXIMIZING THE ADDISON BRAND.

AND THEN 5.4 WE ADDED THAT WE WOULD WANT TO IMPROVE AND MODERNIZE TOWN FACILITIES AS WE HAVE EXPLORED OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSOLIDATING AND EXPANDING TOWN FACILITIES. OKAY. SO FOR KEY FOCUS AREA NUMBER SIX, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE COMBINED THIS WITH KEY FOCUS AREA NUMBER SEVEN.

SO NOW IT'S ONE KEY FOCUS AREA THAT WILL READ VIBRANT ACTIVE AND ENGAGED COMMUNITY.

SO ALL THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES FROM KEY FOCUS AREA SIX AND SEVEN WILL ALL BE IN THE SAME KEY FOCUS AREA TOGETHER.

NOW FOR OUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES. UNDER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THOSE REMAINED UNCHANGED.

WE DID HAVE SOME MINOR CHANGES FOR OBJECTIVE 7.3.

IN THIS ONE WE JUST WANTED TO SAY SPECIAL OCCASIONS AS OPPOSED TO MOMENTS.

AND THEN AGAIN, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE CREATED A KEY FOCUS AREA FOR THE AIRPORT SEPARATELY.

SO KIND OF WORKING ON THAT. WE DO WANT TO GET YOUR GUYS'S INPUT ON THE NAME OF THE KEY FOCUS AREA WHEN WE'VE CONSIDERED IS AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING AND OPERATION. SO THAT WAY WE ENCOMPASS WHAT WE'RE AIMING TO DO WITH THE AIRPORT AS A KEY FOCUS AREA.

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AND THEN, SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WE MOVED OBJECTIVE 2.5 INTO THIS KEY FOCUS AREA, WHICH SAYS THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING THE ADDISON AIRPORT TO MAXIMIZE BUSINESS GROWTH AND EXPANSION. WE ALSO ADDED TO THIS ONE THAT WE ARE COMPLETING THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.

THAT IS A CARRYOVER. WE DID HAVE THIS ONE PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED, AND WE MOVED THIS TO THE AIRPORT CAFE WHERE IT IS MORE APPLICABLE.

OKAY. SO WITH THAT ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE? IF SO, THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO LET US KNOW. GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT, AND THEN WE'LL BRING THIS BACK FOR YOU GUYS TO FORMALLY ADOPT, JUST AS WE HAVE THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. THANK YOU.

VALENCIA. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR WAYNE EMERSON.

AND WHILE WE'RE WAITING, IS DAN WITH US OR. NO, HE WILL BE.

OH. HE WILL. OKAY. THANK YOU. I SO, SO AFTER JUST IMMEDIATELY AFTER OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING I ASKED WAYNE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE. I WAS LOOKING FOR AN INITIATIVE UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND IT WAS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINE OF PURSUE SINGLE FAMILY, NO, PURSUE SENIOR LIVING DEVELOPMENTS. AND AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN I ASKED HIM WHEN I GOT THE ANSWER, IT WAS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE MEETING. SO I COULDN'T COULDN'T ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME.

BUT HE DID SHARE THAT THAT THAT GOT SCRATCHED, THAT INITIATIVE GOT CROSSED OFF THE LIST.

OR IS THAT STILL ON THE LIST OR NOT? WELL, WHEN I LOOKED AT IS IT WAS IN AND GET MY EARS CONFUSED 2025 IT WAS THERE AND THEN ON OUR END IT I DIDN'T SEE IT PULLED OVER ON 2026 THAT INITIATIVE IN UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EXPLORE AND PURSUE QUALITY SENIOR HOUSING. YES, SIR. STILL, IT STILL EXISTS AS AN INITIATIVE.

OKAY. IT JUST WASN'T ON FOR WHATEVER REASON. IT JUST DIDN'T APPEAR ON THE LIST THAT WAS PROVIDED.

I GUESS IT DROPS DOWN IN THERE. AND SO IT'S UNDERNEATH ONE OF IT'S PROBABLY UNDER THE.

YEAH. IF YOU GO ONLINE TO THE INTERACTIVE DASHBOARD IT IS THERE.

OKAY. PERFECT. PERFECT. AND THEN THE OTHER WE GOT WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL I THINK IT WAS TODAY.

AND THE THOUGHT WAS DO WE NOT HAVE PURSUE SENIOR PURSUE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS? IS THAT IS THAT ONE OF OUR THAT'S ALSO UNDER 2.3 THAT IS THERE WHEN IT BREAKS DOWN? YES. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANKS.

READY? JUST A POINT OF ORDER. NOT ON THIS. MY QUESTION WOULD BE WITH SOMEONE BEING ON A ZOOM CALL.

SHOULD. SHOULD WE LEGALLY. SHOULD THEY BE ON TO WHERE WE CAN SEE THEIR FACE, TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON ON THE CALL? OR IS IS A BLANK SCREEN SUITABLE? YES. WE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE HIM AND HEAR HIM.

THAT'S WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS ON THIS? JUST ONE.

ON THREE, FIVE, 3.5. I ASSUME THAT WILL BE POINTS OF INTEREST, PLURAL, NOT POINT OF INTEREST.

YES. DO WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE? YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

EVERYTHING ON THIS. CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME? BECAUSE MY VIDEO IS ON. WELL, WE SEE YOU NOW, BUT WE CAN SEE YOU.

BUT IT WAS OFF FOR A LITTLE WHILE. GOT IT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, THEN, WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY.

VERY GOOD. WASN'T DIRECTED AT YOU, CHRIS. IT WAS JUST PARLIAMENTARY. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP, RANDY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

OKAY. TO REITERATE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ANY INPUT ON THE KEY FOCUS AREA NAME FOR THE AIRPORT SECTION? AS YOU RECALL, WE HAD DISCUSSED MAYBE TALKING ABOUT AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING AND OPERATION.

DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT ONE, OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? WHAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED? AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING AND OPERATION.

I THOUGHT WE A COUPLE OF US SAID ADDISON AIRPORT.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT. AND ALSO THE OTHER THOUGHT WAS YOU KNOW, THE THE CONSULTANT ADVISED US, I THINK THE CFA'S KEY FOCUS AREAS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT IS IT, 2 OR 3 WORDS? PRETTY SHORT. YEP. IF WE ADD ANYTHING, I'D LIKE TO ADD KIND OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR GATEWAY ASPECT OR LEVERAGING IT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BUT THAT CAN GO OBVIOUSLY INTO THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE LEVEL.

YES. SO THE OBJECTIVE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE MOVED FROM 2.5 INTO THE AIRPORTS KEY FOCUS AREA DOES SAY LEVERAGE THE ADAMS ADDISON AIRPORT TO MAXIMIZE BUSINESS FOR VERBIAGE. OKAY. IF ANYTHING THE AIRPORT DOES THAT.

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WE'RE WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. CAN WE CALL ADDISON AIRPORT? YES. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE WILL THERE'S ANY OTHER INPUT? LIKE I SAID, WE'LL BRING THIS BACK FORMALLY AS A RESOLUTION SO YOU GUYS CAN FORMALLY ADOPT THIS AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. VALENCIA. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FOUR B PRESENT AND DISCUSS TRANSIT OPTIONS IN ADDISON.

[b. Present and discuss transit options in Addison.]

AND THAT WILL BE ASHLEY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WANTED TONIGHT TO SIT DOWN. WELL, I'LL STAND UP.

Y'ALL CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT OUR TRANSIT OPTIONS AND WHAT WE WANT OUR SCOPE TO BE SO WE CAN PUT OUT AN RFP TO GET READY FOR THE POSSIBLE OR THE MAY ELECTION WITH THE POSSIBLE WITHDRAWAL FROM DART.

JUST AS SOME BACKGROUND. ADDISON HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF DART SINCE 1983, CONTRIBUTING A $0.01 SALES TAX FROM 1984 TO 2025.

WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED OVER $400 MILLION AND LAST YEAR IN FY 2025, WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED JUST OVER $17 MILLION.

SIX CITIES ADDISON, PLANO, HIGHLAND PARK, UNIVERSITY PARK, FARMERS BRANCH AND IRVING HAVE ALL CALLED ELECTIONS FOR MAY OF 2026.

SO AS WE KIND OF GET THROUGH AND START TALKING ABOUT THIS.

I WANTED TO HIT AT A HIGH LEVEL WHAT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRANSIT ARE.

SO AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE CAN ALL BE FAMILIAR.

SO WE HAVE OUR PARATRANSIT, WHICH IS OUR ADA REQUIRED TRANSIT SERVICE FOR PEOPLE UNABLE TO USE THE FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM OR MICRO TRANSIT IS TRANSIT IS THE SMALL SHARED VEHICLES THAT OFFER FIXED ROUTES OR AN ON DEMAND COMMUTER RAIL IS PASSENGER RAIL.

THEY GO SHORT DISTANCE BETWEEN CITIES. THE EXPRESS BUS IS A.

IT HAS LIMITED STOPS. IT TYPICALLY GO A LITTLE BIT LONGER DISTANCES.

THE STANDARD ROUTE OR STANDARD BUS HAS A FIXED ROUTE THAT OPERATE ON A HIGH FREQUENCY, AND THEN THE GO LINK IS THE ON DEMAND SERVICE THAT PROVIDES ZONE BASED TRIPS TO RAIL STATIONS OR TRANSIT CENTERS.

SO NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN IN ADDISON.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR RAIL SYSTEM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WE HAVE 12 ROUTES THAT GO THROUGH ADDISON.

YOU CAN LOOK HERE. THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE BLUE, WHICH IS THE 40 TO 60 MINUTE MIDDAY FREQUENCY.

WE NO LONGER HAVE OUR EXPRESS ROUTE THAT WENT FROM ADDISON TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

AND THEN THIS MAP, ALONG WITH THE MAP THAT WE SENT OUT EARLIER, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, PICTURE SHOW YOU WHAT IS IN THE SURROUNDING CITIES.

SO THE GREEN LINE, THE YELLOW OR THE ORANGE AND RED LINE, ALONG WITH THE OTHER BUS ROUTES.

SO IT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR AREA.

SO WE HAVE 70 BUS STOPS WITHIN THE TOWN, ONE TRANSIT CENTER.

LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE THE 12 BUS ROUTES WE HAVE NOW OUR SILVER LINE.

THE SILVER LINE HAS A 30 MINUTE PEAK AND A 60 MINUTE NON PEAK FOR RIGHT NOW.

AND WE HAVE PARATRANSIT. JUST TO GO A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO PARATRANSIT.

PARATRANSIT AS WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW UNDER DART IS AN ORIGIN TO DESTINATION.

SO A DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WHO CANNOT USE THE FIXED ROUTE BUS OR TRAINS.

IT IS A SHARED RIDE SERVICE, BUT IT IS MADE FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT GET ON EITHER BUSSES OTHER VEHICLES TRAINS.

SO WHO IS ELIGIBLE? THEY ACTUALLY BREAK IT DOWN INTO THREE CATEGORIES, WITH CATEGORY ONE BEING THOSE WHO CANNOT BY THEMSELVES GET INTO A BUS, A TRAIN STATION, OR ANY OTHER KIND OF VEHICLE.

THAT'S THE DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO COME PICK YOU UP, HELP YOU GET INTO THE VEHICLE, TAKE YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, AND THEN PICK YOU UP WHEN YOU'RE DONE.

CATEGORY TWO IS THOSE WHO MAY HAVE DISABILITIES THAT DON'T NEED THE DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE, BUT MAY NEED ADA ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES. AND THEN CATEGORY THREE BEING THOSE WHO MAY BE ABLE TO DO A PORTION OF THE RIDE ON TYPICAL BUS RAIL, BUT MAY ONLY NEED THE ADA ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE FOR A SHORT PORTION OF IT, SO THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET INTO A BUS, BUT THEY CAN GET ONTO THE TRAIN. SO THAT'S THE CATEGORY THREE.

CURRENTLY, ALL OF THE CLASSIFICATIONS AND CRITERIA AUDITING GOES THROUGH DART.

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SO EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THEM. THEY CLASSIFY YOU AS A CATEGORY ONE, 2 OR 3.

AND THEN THAT'S HOW YOU'RE LISTED THROUGH DART.

OUR SERVICE AREA IS WITHIN ANY OF THE 13 CITIES ALONG WITH THE DFW AIRPORT.

SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE WITH. THEY'RE TAKING YOU OR PICKING YOU UP WITHIN THOSE 13 CITIES, THEY OFFER THOSE THREE CATEGORIES OF PARATRANSIT.

ADDISON HAS 1200 REGISTERED PARATRANSIT RIDERS, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 1600 ACTUAL RIDES ANNUALLY.

SO WE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED DATA ON THAT.

BUT 99% OF ALL OF OUR PARATRANSIT INVOLVE ENDING STARTING IN ADDISON, BUT ENDING IN ANOTHER CITY.

OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE BIG MEDICAL DISTRICTS AND EVERYTHING THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES DO.

SO MOST OF OUR PARATRANSIT RIDERS ARE TAKING THIS TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

YEAH. MY QUESTION IS, IF WE HAVE 16 RIDES, 1200 REGISTERED, I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING THE NUMBER OF UNIQUE WRITERS. SO WE ARE TWO, OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE WONDERING IS, IS IT IS IT ONE 100 PERSON DAYS A WEEK? EXACTLY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DIVING INTO. ALSO, WE DON'T YET WE HAVE.

YES. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON PARATRANSIT. SO IS THAT FEDERALLY FUNDED? SO OBVIOUSLY DART'S PROVIDING IT, RIGHT. WOULD IT BE FUNDED FROM.

BECAUSE IT'S FEDERALLY MANDATED, RIGHT. IT IS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF IT COMES FROM THE CITIES.

IT'S PART OF WHAT WE CONTRIBUTE IN. IT'S FAIRLY REQUIRED, BUT.

RIGHT, OKAY. I MEAN, THEY MAY GET GRANTS HERE AND THERE TO HELP REFRESH FLEET OR SOMETHING.

BUT BUT THE OPERATION ITSELF IS PAID FOR BY THE CITIES.

I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT FOR SURE IF THERE'S ANY, ANY RECURRING FEDERAL FUNDING ON THAT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST OCCURRED THAT THERE MIGHT BE JUST KIND OF THINKING THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, ON THE PRICING, IS IT ONE PRICE, NO MATTER HOW FAR YOU GO, OR IS IT PRICE DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE GOING FURTHER DISTANCES, IT'S THE SAME PRICE FOR THE PARATRANSIT, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE 13 CITIES. AND HOW MUCH IS THE TRIP? IT'S. DON'T QUOTE ME BY WHAT I SAY. $353 350 EACH WAY I BELIEVE.

AND THEN WITH AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ALSO A MONTHLY PASS YOU CAN GET.

I THINK I DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION RIGHT. DART PAYS A THIRD PARTY FOR THIS SERVICE.

THEY DO. AND SO IF WE WERE TO TAKE THIS OVER, I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH PER TRIP DOES IT COST DART OR WOULD IT COST THE CITY THAT I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW. SO YOU'RE ASKING WHAT THEY TRANSDEV IS, THE COMPANY THAT THEY USE AND YOU'RE ASKING WHAT DO THEY PAY TRANSDEV? I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT IT SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO GET.

WE CAN GET WITH OUR ANNUAL CONTRACT IS THE PRICE VARIES FOR THE DISTANCE.

GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. SO? SO AS WE GET TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION OF WHERE DO WE GO OUT FOR.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR ALL THESE AVENUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING PARATRANSIT.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IS WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO GET PRICING ON? IS IT A CERTAIN RING AROUND ADDISON? IS IT THE SAME THAT WE HAVE WITH DART? SO WHEN WE GET FURTHER ON, THERE ARE DIFFERENT COSTS BECAUSE YOU CAN PROVIDE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR PARATRANSIT.

AND DART HAS THOSE DISCUSSIONS TOO, OF WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

OKAY. WELL, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING WITH DART SO THAT WE STILL ARE OFFERING THE SAME SERVICE IF WE SHOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO ASK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND ASHLEY, WE DO NOT HAVE THE LIST OF THE REGISTERED PARATRANSIT RIDERS.

IS THAT CORRECT? WE DO NOT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND SO 1200.

IT JUST SEEMS AWFUL HIGH. IT'S LIKE LESS THAN 7%.

SO OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. HEY, THIS IS CHRIS.

I MEAN, WOULD JUST SUBCONTRACTING BACK OUT TO TRANSDEV, WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION FOR US? OH, OF COURSE. TRANSDEV ACTUALLY CONTRACTS. YOU COULD CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH TRANSDEV IF WE WERE DOING A LARGER A LARGER CONTRACT. SOME OF THE BIG COMPANIES LIKE VEO OR RYKO, THEY CONTRACT WITH TRANSDEV AND IT'S ALL UNDER THEIR UMBRELLA.

SO THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE CAN LOOK AT.

BUT WITH TRANSDEV KNOWING THE AREA AND KNOWING OUR RIDERS, THAT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMEBODY WE WANT TO REACH OUT TO,

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AND BEING IN, BEING TRAINED TO TO HANDLE THESE TYPE OF RIDERS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO. YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC IN DART THAT WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE THAT TRULY NEED THIS. LIKE THIS IS THE IS THE QUALIFICATION PROCESS THROUGH DART.

IS THAT A ONCE YOU'RE QUALIFIED YOU'RE ALWAYS QUALIFIED OR IS IT LIKE A HANDICAP PARKING.

HANGAR. IS THERE AN EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT? CAN YOU GET IT TEMPORARILY IF YOU BREAK YOUR LEG.

BUT ONCE YOU HEAL I KNOW. YEAH. SO I DO KNOW THAT THAT YOU CAN GO IN FOR.

I'VE BROKEN MY LEG. I'M IN A WHEELCHAIR. I USE PUBLIC TRANSIT.

I NEED HELP FOR THE SPECIFIED AMOUNT OF TIME.

I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE READ A LOT OF DOCUMENTS, I BELIEVE, AND I WILL FOLLOW UP.

I BELIEVE YOU DO HAVE TO RECERTIFY EVERY SO MANY YEARS.

SO. BUT LET ME DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT AND I'LL FOLLOW UP.

YES. YEAH. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON PARATRANSIT? OKAY, SO AS PART OF OUR OUTREACH, WE DID A SURVEY THAT WAS BASICALLY LOOKING AT A VERY NARROW.

WHERE WERE YOU STARTING YOUR TRIP? WHERE WERE YOUR WHERE WERE YOU ENDING YOUR TRIP? AND IF YOU WERE GOING IN ADDISON, WHERE WERE YOU GOING IN ADDISON? SO SOME WONDERFUL PEOPLE IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT I PULLED IN TO HELP ME WITH THIS WENT OUT AND PUT UP THESE QR CODES AT 70 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS HERE IN ADDISON. WE MAY HAVE ACTUALLY PUT SOME IN THAT WEREN'T QUITE IN ADDISON, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW. AND SO AND WE DID OFFER A $100 GIFT CARD IN A DRAWING IF YOU FILLED OUT.

SO AS OF TODAY, WE HAD 158 RESPONSES WITH THE MAJORITY OF THOSE COMING.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE COMING FROM THE TRANSIT CENTER.

SO FROM THE BUS BAYS AND FROM THE SILVER LINE PLATFORM.

THE OTHER RESPONSES CAME FROM THE ADDISON ROAD AREA, MONTFORT QUORUM AND BELTLINE.

AS WE KIND OF SUSPECTED, MOST OF THEM ORIGINATED HERE IN ADDISON, AND WE'RE GOING TO OR THE REMAINING TREADS ORIGINATED PRIMARILY IN THE NORTH DALLAS AREA. RICHARDSON, PLANO, CARROLLTON.

AND THEN MORE OF THE DART TREADS ORIGINATED IN ADDISON THAN ENDED HERE.

SO WHAT THAT SHOWS WE HAVE A LARGE SHARE OF OUR TRIPS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE, GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

NOW, I SAY THAT KNOWING WE'VE GOT 158 RESPONSES, BUT AS YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OTHER SLIDES, IT DOES CORRELATE WITH THE SURVEY THAT I BELIEVE COG DID IN 2023 WHEN THEY DID A WRITER SURVEY.

SO THEY HAD PEOPLE OUT ON THE BUS LINES. THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT IS IN SOME SLIDES THAT ARE COMING UP.

SO AGAIN, MOST OF THE COMMON DESTINATIONS WERE IN THE ADDISON CIRCLE AREA.

SO WHEN THEY WERE COMING TO ADDISON, THEY WERE COMING TO THE ADDISON CIRCLE AREA.

AND THEN A FEW JUST DIDN'T PROVIDE RESPONSES AS FAR AS THEIR STARTING IN LOCATION.

NORTH ADDISON, NORTH BELTLINE ADDISON CIRCLE AND THE OFFICE CORRIDOR WAS OUR HIGHEST RESPONSES.

SO, LIKE I WAS JUST MENTIONING IN THE 2023 DART ON BOARD SURVEY, WE WERE SEEING THE SAME TREND.

MAJORITY OF THE TRIPS START OR END AT ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, AND WE HAVE MORE TRIPS STARTING IN ADDISON THAN ENDING IN ADDISON.

SO A QUESTION ON THAT ONE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 13? SO YOU'VE GOT EIGHT DOWN AT VITRUVIAN. OH, THAT'S EIGHTH LOCATION.

OKAY. YES. AND THEN BACK TO THE THE ON BOARD SURVEY.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S THE NUMBERS OR RATIOS KIND OF LINED UP WITH THE SAME AS THIS SURVEY THAT THEY DID.

SO THE 11 OR 10,000 TOTAL TRACKS IN 2023. WERE THEY WAS THAT JUST A LIKE A POINT IN TIME OR IT WAS THE. YES, IT WAS THE I BELIEVE IT WAS OCTOBER.

IS THAT RIGHT, WAYNE? WAS IT OCTOBER? WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THAT.

I BELIEVE IT WAS. IT WAS A MONTH. IT WAS OCTOBER.

THAT'S THE DATA THAT YOU GOT ME, RIGHT? YES. SO THAT WAS OCTOBER? YES. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ONE WHOLE MONTH. YES.

SO THEN IF IT WAS 10,000 RIDERS IN THAT MONTH, WAS THAT.

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I WONDER IF THAT WAS COMPLETE, LIKE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RIDERS IN THAT MONTH, I COULDN'T.

OH, ARE YOU GOING TO TALK YOUR STATISTICS? IS THIS.

I GOT A MATH LESSON TODAY IN STATISTICS. SO. SO I THINK THIS TOTAL 10,000 IS ACTUALLY SCALED UP.

SO LIKE SOME OF THAT DATA WAS ACTUALLY FRACTIONAL.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW THEIR METHODOLOGY THAT THEY DID.

BUT THE REASON WHY YOU MIGHT SEE THAT IS THEY MAY ASK SOMEONE HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK DO YOU RIDE DART.

THEY MAY RESPOND THREE TIMES A WEEK. BUT THEY WANT TO REPORT DAILY RIDERS.

SO THEY WOULD TAKE THREE. DIVIDE THAT BY SEVEN AND THAT GIVES A FRACTION.

AND THEN THEY WOULD SINCE THEY'RE DOING A FRACTION OF A TOTAL POPULATION THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO MULTIPLY THAT UP.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS NOT 10,000 TOTAL PASSENGERS THAT THEY'VE SURVEYED, BUT THAT'S A SCALED UP NUMBER REPRESENTATION OF THE FULL RIDERSHIP BASED ON THE PROPORTIONS. YES. OKAY, SO I TOOK THE $9 MILLION THAT WAS SPENT IN ADDISON FROM DART AND DIVIDED IT BY THAT NUMBER. AND IT'S LIKE $75 A RIDE THAT THE ACTUAL RIDER COSTS.

AND I WANT TO GET TO THAT NUMBER EVENTUALLY. BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DATA JUST FROM THIS ANGLE TO TO DIVE INTO THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKED IS WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING? SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT THE CITIES AROUND US THAT ARE HOLDING ELECTIONS.

SO THEY ARE WORKING ON WHAT IS WHAT ARE THEIR OPTIONS.

BUT WE DID KIND OF LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE METROPLEX TO SEE WHAT SOME OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.

WE LOOKED AT SAN ANTONIO. SAN ANTONIO ACTUALLY USES VIA AS THEY USE IT FOR BOTH A FIXED ROUTE TRANSIT SERVICE IN THE URBAN CORE.

THEY DO HAVE BUSSES THAT ARE VIA, BUT THEY USE IT FOR THEIR ON DEMAND SERVICE FOR THE OUTSKIRTS OF SAN ANTONIO.

AND THEN THEY USE IT TO GO TO TO POINTS OF INTEREST, SHOPPING, HOSPITALS COLLEGES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY HAVE THAT ONE TOO. SURE. SO I LOOKED INTO THAT AND THERE'S LIKE SPANISH WORD FOR GO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS RELATING LIKE A BRAND OR IF IT WAS ACTUALLY THE VA COMPANY.

IT IS THE IT IS VA. YES. AND THEY'RE PROVIDING THEM ALL OF THEIR TRANSIT IN SAN ANTONIO EXCEPT FOR RAIL.

CORRECT. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE RAIL IN SAN ANTONIO.

YEAH. SO YOU IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT EVERYTHING, THEY PROVIDE EVERYTHING FROM THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO BUS SERVICE, ON DEMAND SERVICE, MICRO MICROTRANSIT.

BUT THINGS THAT I DIDN'T ADD IN HERE IS THEY ACTUALLY WORK WITH THEIR EDC.

THEY PROVIDE TROLLEY SERVICE. THEY PROVIDE OTHER MICROTRANSIT SERVICES THAT ARE SPECIFIC FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT WAS JUST I WAS TRYING TO NARROW IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

BUT YES, I MEAN, SO IT GOES EVEN BEYOND THIS SCOPE.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT VIA WAS VIA. YES, SAN ANTONIO.

THANKS. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THEY HAVE SIX VIA LINK ZONES THAT CONNECT TO THEIR FIXED BUS ROUTES.

AND THEY HAVE A TYPICAL 10 TO 30 MINUTE WAIT TIME.

THE CITY OF ARLINGTON, I THINK ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT SYSTEM.

THAT, AGAIN, IS A VIA SYSTEM. IT ACTUALLY THEY GO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS OF ARLINGTON AND CONNECT TO CENTREPORT THE TRE STATION, EAST CHASE AREA, AND FORT WORTH.

AND THEN THEY AGAIN HAVE SOME LARGER BUSSES, ALONG WITH USING THE VANS AND MICROTRANSIT.

AND THEN THEY USE A PARTNERSHIP THROUGH VA AND UBER TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE MICROTRANSIT.

ROUND ROCK DOES SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH A COMPANY CALLED Z-TRIP.

AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY USE THE SAME TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT CONNECTS TO THE THE OH, I JUST CAPMETRO SORRY. THEY CONNECT TO CAPMETRO.

SO THEY ARE TAKING THE SMALL VANS MICROTRANSIT THAT GET YOU TO CAPMETRO, BUT THEN THEY ALSO HAVE SOME EXPRESS ROUTES THAT GO FROM THE ROUND ROCK TRANSIT CENTER TO DOWNTOWN AUSTIN.

BUT THEY FOR THEM THEY USE IT'S A COMPANY CALLED Z-TRIP.

WE HAVE NOT TALKED TO THEM YET, BUT THEY HAVE 46 STOPS THROUGHOUT ROUND ROCK.

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WHAT IS THE SIZE OF ROUND ROCK? I'M TRYING. I'M TRYING TO GET A COMPARISON WITH SOME OF THESE CITIES THAT ARE KIND OF A MORE COMPARABLE TO US.

SAN ANTONIO HAS NO COMPARISON TO ROUND ROCK IS A SMALLER TOWN.

I KNOW THEY'RE BIGGER THAN US, BUT SURE, 140,000MI², I GUESS IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CAR, YOU KNOW, POPULATION AND SQUARE MILEAGE IS KIND OF WHAT I'M.

SURE, SURE. THANK YOU. BUT JUST GOING FORWARD, JUST.

NO. I'D LIKE. YEAH. 37MI², 37. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO NOW WE GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY.

HOW DO WE WANT TO SCOPE OUR RFP? SO WHEN WE GO OUT AND WE START ASKING FOR PRICING SETTING EXPECTATIONS, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOME PRETTY SOLID ANSWERS ON WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE.

SO FOR PARATRANSIT AGAIN, DART PROVIDES PARATRANSIT NOW.

AND IT'S ACROSS ALL 13 MEMBER CITIES. AND IT GOES TO THE AIRPORT.

THEIR OPERATOR IS TRANSDEV. SO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN MATCH DART SERVICE AREA.

SO WE CAN SAY WE WILL CONTINUE TO GO TO THE SAME 13 CITIES AND DFW AIRPORT.

WE COULD DO A RING. WE COULD SAY WE'LL GO WITHIN FIVE MILES OF ADDISON TEN, 15 MILES.

WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THIS.

SOME CITIES ARE JUST GRANDFATHERING AS FAR AS THE CATEGORY ONE, TWO AND THREE.

THEY'RE GRANDFATHERING WHATEVER DART HAS THEM AT RIGHT NOW.

OR DO WE WANT EVERYBODY TO GET RECERTIFIED? AND SO CLARITY ON THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER.

SO DART DOES CERTIFICATION UP TO THREE YEARS, SO IT COULD BE LESS THAN THREE YEARS DEPENDING ON THE DISABILITY.

BUT AT LEAST EVERY THREE YEARS YOU WOULD HAVE TO RECERTIFY.

THANK YOU. AND SO THIS INFORMATION IS WHAT WE NEED TO ADD INTO THE RFP.

SO WE CAN SET OUT OUR EXPECTATIONS. AND THE VENDORS ARE ABLE TO SCOPE OUR PRICING.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT LAST SLIDE? SO IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR A PROPOSAL FROM TRANSDEV.

WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING OUT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.

YES, WE WILL DEFINITELY CONTACT TRANSDEV AND ASK THEM TO TO RESPOND.

BUT AND THEY COULD SAY, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL RESPOND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND AS PART OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S TOTAL PROPOSAL.

WELL, MY THOUGHT IS THIS IS I. OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO ASK THEM FOR A QUOTE.

THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO IN THAT REGARD. BUT SINCE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THE THE DATA, THAT WOULD BE IT'D BE VERY HELPFUL TO KIND OF KNOW WHERE THESE PARATRANSIT USERS ARE.

ARE THESE CUSTOMERS ARE. AND SO WE COULD HELP CREATE THIS BUFFER.

BUT WITHOUT HAVING THAT, IT'S JUST KIND OF YEAH, SHOOTING IN THE DARK IN MY MIND AND MIND YOU, EVERYBODY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IN THE RFP THAT I FELT PRETTY GOOD ABOUT PUTTING IN THERE WITHOUT ASKING WAS WE WANT WHATEVER THEY PROPOSE TO BE SCALABLE. WE WANT TO HAVE METRICS.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND SAY, LOOK, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY GOING FURTHER OUT THAN TEN MILES.

WHY DON'T WE AMEND THIS, NOT GO TO ALL 13 CITIES, BUT WE'RE ONLY GOING TEN MILES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

OR IF WE PICK RALLY POINTS AND IT ENDS UP THAT NOBODY REALLY GOES TO THIS ONE RALLY POINT AND THEY CAN BE REDIRECTED, WE CAN CHANGE THINGS. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE ALREADY KIND OF PENCILED IN TO THE RFP IS MAKING SURE THAT WE GET GOOD NUMBERS, GOOD METRICS, AND THAT IT'S SCALABLE, THAT AS WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THE SYSTEM AND WHAT WE NEED, WE CAN CHANGE. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF TRANSIT TRANSDEV COULD PROVE, MAYBE PROVIDE THEIR THOUGHTS ON ON A BUFFER BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE DATA, WHETHER THAT'S DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY THROUGH VIA OR SOMEBODY ELSE.

OKAY. WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. WILL WE HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR DATA? SHOULD WE PULL OUT. WOULD WE WOULD WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET THEIR DATA FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY QUALIFIED AND USING THEIR SERVICE IN ADDISON'S, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL AND HAVE PEOPLE COME BACK IN.

SURE. SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A OPEN RECORDS REQUEST THAT'S PRETTY DETAILED.

READY TO GO TO DART. HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.

IT DOES DART. JUST WORK WITH US ON THAT? I GUESS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOME THERE'S SOME CONFIDENTIAL,

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PROBABLY HIPAA INFORMATION IN THERE. AND I, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY I SPECIFICALLY WANT THIS INFORMATION, THEN ASKING THEM, JUST SEND ME OUR PARATRANSIT.

AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, HERE'S THE PARATRANSIT BY ZIP CODE.

WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT. SO, SO, YES. SO AND I HAVEN'T SENT IT TO LEGAL YET.

I WILL BUT YES. SO WE'RE DOING A VERY SPECIFIC OPEN RECORDS REQUEST FOR THAT.

AS I'M TRAVELING AROUND, I'M TRYING TO USE SOME OF THESE SERVICES.

SO I'M FAMILIAR AND HAVE USED SOME OF THESE SERVICES THAT YOU'VE NAMED, AND MOST ALL OF THEM ALSO OFFER A PARATRANSIT OPTION.

SOME OF THEM IN THE SAME VEHICLE THAT THEY'RE PICKING PEOPLE UP.

THEY DO. AND THERE'S FOUR SEATS FOR PEOPLE AND THERE'S PARATRANSIT AVAILABLE IN THE SAME VEHICLE.

SO. SO SO WHAT WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS EACH WILL HAVE A FLEET THAT ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THOSE CATEGORIES.

SO YOU MAY BE A CATEGORY TWO. AND YOU CAN GET INTO AN ADA ACCESSIBLE VAN CAR WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT A CATEGORY ONE. IT WOULD BE A VERY SPECIFIC PERSON IN A SPECIFIC VEHICLE THAT CAME AND PICKED YOU UP, BECAUSE THAT IS A DIFFERENT SERVICE. YOU'RE RELYING ON THEM TO GET YOU FROM YOUR DOOR INTO THE CAR.

IT'S JUST IT'S A HIGHER LEVEL OF NEED. AND SO IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC PERSON TRAINED IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT DO THINGS LIKE THE CATEGORY ONE.

SO THIS MAY HAVE BEEN COVERED, BUT IF WE WERE JUST GOING TO TAKE THE CONTRACT THAT DART HAS WITH TRANSDEV AND LIKE THEY SAY, THEY'LL STOP SERVICE THE NEXT DAY IF WE PULL OUT.

BUT AS I'M LOOKING AT THESE CITIES, WE MIGHT HAVE MORE REASON TO GO TO CARROLLTON-FARMERS BRANCH, PLANO RICHARDSON THAN COCKRELL HILL, GLENN HEIGHTS ROWLETT.

SO I LIKE THE CIRCLES, BUT I ALSO I'M JUST WONDERING, DO WE HAVE PEOPLE AND I GUESS THIS IS THE INFORMATION YOU WANT.

DO WE HAVE PEOPLE RIDING FROM ADDISON TO IRVING AND THAT'S GOING TO HIGHLAND PARK? YEAH, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WHY WOULD WE PAY FOR THOSE CITIES? AND SO THAT THAT IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALSO AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS NOT INFORMATION WE'LL KNOW UNTIL AFTER MAY.

BUT IF OTHER CITIES DO PULL OUT OF DART, IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO TRY TO HAVE THE SAME PARTNER AND MAYBE GET AN ECONOMY OF SCALE.

YOU KNOW, IF PLANO PER SE, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, WE USE THE SAME PARTNER THAT THEY DO.

MAYBE WE CAN GET AN ECONOMY OF SCALE GOING BACK AND FORTH.

THERE'S A VERY BIG MEDICAL DISTRICT IN PLANO.

SO SOME OF THIS IS JUST REALLY GOING TO BE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BEING AMENDED AND SCALED AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT WE HAVE TO WE NEED TO GET A NUMBER TO KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD.

SO WHETHER WE GO BIGGER AND SCALE DOWN LATER, I MEAN THAT'S COUNCIL'S CHOICE.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME PARAMETERS TO PUT IN THERE TO PUT A NUMBER TO.

IS THERE ANY EXTRA CHARGE OR ANY CHARGE FROM DART FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR THE PARATRANSIT OR AN EXTRA FEE, OR IS THERE ANY EXTRA FEES OR CHARGES FOR PEOPLE USING THE SERVICE, EITHER THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OR THROUGH ACTUAL FLEET COSTS.

THERE MAY BE A COST FOR THEM TO CERTIFY, BUT AS FAR AS THE RIDE, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I THINK IT'S JUST A FLAT $3 350, WHATEVER IT IS.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN EXTRA CHARGE FOR THAT.

THERE MAY BE A CHARGE TO LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS.

CAN WE FIND THAT OUT? SURE. WELL, I'VE GOT VALENCIA TAKING NOTES SO THAT I CAN FOLLOW UP ON ALL THIS STUFF.

OKAY. OKAY, SO NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT SCOPE OF SERVICE WITHIN ADDISON. SO OBVIOUSLY OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE LOCAL ACCESS TO KEY DESTINATIONS AND TRANSIT CENTERS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS. THERE'S A STOP TO STOP OPTION.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS I'M NOT GOING TO PICK YOU UP AT YOUR FRONT DOOR.

I'M GOING TO SAY, LET'S SAY YOU LIVE IN THE CIRCLE.

YOU'VE CALLED ME, YOU KNOW, ADDISON TRANSIT TO COME GET YOU AND TAKE YOU TO THE NEAREST TRANSIT CENTER.

THEY MAY SAY, OKAY, GREAT. MEET AT THE CORNER OF QUORUM AND MORRIS.

I'M JUST MAKING THAT. I MEAN, JUST BUT AT A CORNER SOMEWHERE.

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SO THAT'S A STOP TO STOP. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WALK VERY FAR.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO WALK A MILE OR EVEN HALF A MILE TO A STOP.

IT'S GOING TO JUST BE AT LIKE A NEAREST CORNER.

THEN THERE'S CURB TO CURB. CURB TO CURB WILL COME PICK YOU UP RIGHT AT YOUR DOOR.

AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO DO A HYBRID OF THOSE THINGS.

SO LET'S SAY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OVER AT VOLPE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, WE'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE SOMEBODY COME PICK UP AT EVERY SINGLE ADDRESS AT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE PICKUP SPOT OVER THERE.

YOU KNOW, SAME FOR SOME SPECIFIC PLACES ON BELT LINE.

OVER AT VITRUVIAN, MAYBE THERE SPECIFIC AREA SO WE CAN HAVE A HYBRID OF THOSE.

BUT THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT MODEL OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LAY OUT THE VEHICLES THAT THEY USE.

IT IS IT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT WE NEED FOR OUR DEMAND.

SO THERE CAN BE DEDICATED SHUTTLES OR VANS CIRCULATORS.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN OPTION FOR ON DEMAND SUPPLY, WHERE THEY USE SOMETHING LIKE UBER OR LYFT TO FILL IN SOME OF THE GAPS.

BUT WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IS WHAT IS THE PREFERRED SERVICE TYPES WE WANT.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT IS OUR TARGET WAIT TIME FOR OPERATIONS.

BECAUSE BASED ON THAT TARGET WAIT TIME, THAT'S HOW THEY'LL KNOW HOW TO BUILD OUT OUR SERVICE MODEL.

AND WHAT DOES THAT COST? SO OBVIOUSLY THE SHORTER THE WAIT TIME YOU WANT AND THE BIGGER YOUR RING IS, THE MORE FLEET YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE. SO JUST KIND OF SOME THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND IS HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW FAST DO YOU WANT THE BUSSES, VANS, CIRCULATORS TO GET THERE AND HOW FAR ARE THEY GOING TO GO BECAUSE YOUR YOUR FLEET MAY NEED TO INCREASE TO MAKE SURE THOSE WAIT TIMES ARE AS SHORT AS WE WANT.

AND THEN THE SCOPE OF SERVICE GETTING RIDERS IN AND OUT OF ADDISON.

SO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN OTHER CITIES HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS HAVING RALLY POINTS.

SO BASICALLY WE WOULD GET THEM TO A KEY PLACE OUTSIDE OF ADDISON AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE, PICK THEM UP.

WE WOULD PART OF WHAT THE COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO HAVE IS AN INTEGRATED APP THAT WORKS WITH THE TRANSIT SYSTEM. SO IN OUR CASE IT'S DART. SO WHEN I'M LEAVING TO GO TO WORK, I'M GOING TO GO INTO MY ADDISON TRANSIT APP AND SAY I'M GOING TO SPECTRUM CENTER. THIS IS WHERE I'M STARTING.

I WANT TO TAKE ALL TRANSIT AND IT'S GOING TO LAY OUT, I NEED TO GET ON THIS BUS, AND THEN I MAY NEED TO TRANSFER TO THIS BUS OR TRANSFER TO THIS LINE. AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GET ME TO THAT RALLY POINT.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S LETTING THE SYSTEM KNOW, HEY, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE THERE AT 830.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THOSE WAIT TIMES COME IN.

SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE OUR FLEET RIGHT TO WHERE THEY KNOW.

AND YOUR WEIGHT IS MAYBE TEN MINUTES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THERE.

THEY ALSO WILL KNOW OBVIOUSLY THERE'S KEY TIMES.

PEOPLE WORK 8 TO 5. SO BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SEVEN AND 830 IS GOING TO BE BUSY.

TIME BETWEEN 4 AND SIX WILL BE BUSY TIMES. AND THEN THE MORE DATA WE HAVE, THE MORE WE CAN START TWEAKING THINGS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT. SO AGAIN, GO AHEAD ON ON THE APP THE TECHNOLOGY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO THAT WE I'M SURE THEY HAVE. SO DOES THAT INTERFACE WITH THE BUS SCHEDULE AT THE RALLY POINT. SO IT WOULD CALCULATE THAT THE WAIT TIMES AND THE BEST ROUTES AND THE OPTIONS AND STUFF, BECAUSE I'VE USED IN THIS DART'S APP, WHICH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS USE THAT AS WELL.

IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY A PRETTY GOOD APP. AND THAT GIVES YOU DIFFERENT OPTIONS, YOUR CHOICES, THE ROUTES, THE TIME DEPARTURE AND THE TOTAL ROUTE TIME AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO I WOULD ENVISION THEN THAT WOULD CONNECT TO WHATEVER OTHER ENDPOINTS WERE CONNECTED TO DCTA OR VIA TO ANOTHER TOWN OR ANOTHER TOWN OR CITY.

OKAY, GOOD. THE TWO COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO BOTH HAVE THAT ABILITY.

IT SHOULDN'T BE A BARRIER. CORRECT. SO IN TALKING ABOUT RALLY POINTS, WHAT WE DID WAS WE KIND OF JUST WENT THROUGH AND GAVE A LIST OF AREAS THAT WE WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT AND GOING, OKAY, IF PEOPLE WERE COMING IN ON THE GREEN LINE OR THE RED OR ORANGE LINE IF THEY WERE COMING IN ON THE SILVER LINE OR JUST BY BUS, WHERE COULD WE HAVE SOME RALLY STOPS? SO OBVIOUSLY 12 IS A LOT.

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SOME OF THEM ARE CLOSE. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED, YOU KNOW, ONES THAT ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF EACH OTHER.

SO TRYING TO NARROW THIS LIST DOWN IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU THE BAD PART ABOUT AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT TWO AND THREE, THAT'S THE DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON AND TRINITY MILLS.

SO EVEN IF YOU PICK THE DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON STATION, THAT'S STILL THAT'S A DRIVE.

SO THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT YOUR WAIT TIMES BY HAVING THAT DRIVE OVER THERE.

SAME FOR NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE ARAPAHO CENTER.

SO THE FURTHER OUT YOU GET, THOSE WAIT TIMES ARE GOING TO INCREASE OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR FLEET.

SO THIS IS JUST LIKE A ROUGH DRAFT OF SOME RALLY POINTS, LIKE THERE'S ONE MISSING DOWN AT SPRING VALLEY AND MIDWAY.

YES. THAT WOULD BE A CONNECTION FOR GOING OUT OF ADDISON.

WELL, SO COULD VALLEY AND MIDWAY. SO WHAT WE DID NOT PUT ON HERE WAS ANY RALLY POINTS IN FARMERS BRANCH OR PLANO, KNOWING THAT THEY ARE BOTH CALLING ELECTIONS.

WE DID NOT WANT TO. WE JUST TOOK THOSE OUT OF THE EQUATION SO WE COULD ADD THEM BACK INTO THE SCOPE.

SO IN THIS SCENARIO HERE, WHY WOULD TWO BE ON THERE BEING THE DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON? BECAUSE THE SILVER LINE GOES THERE. IT DOES. SO THOSE WOULD BE THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED ALSO WE COULD CHOOSE.

YES. AND FRANKLY THE GREEN LINE GOES UP TO NUMBER THREE ALSO.

YES. SILVER LINE. GREEN LINE. YEAH. SO WE JUST WANTED TO AGAIN LAY OUT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THOUGH, THAT YOU DO WANT TO CONSIDER WITH THE SILVER LINE IS RIGHT NOW.

AND THIS WILL CHANGE EVENTUALLY AS RIDERSHIP GOES UP.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A 30 MINUTE PEAK ONE HOUR NON-PEAK.

SO THAT COULD IMPACT. I MEAN, YOU WOULD REALLY HAVE TO PLAN WITH HAVING THAT LONG OF A WINDOW IN BETWEEN.

BUT IT'S DOABLE. I'M SURE PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE GETTING PEOPLE TO TO RELY ON THAT EAST WEST CONNECTION.

YEAH. AND I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ONE TO CUT STUFF OUT AT THIS POINT. I'M JUST KIND OF ASKING SOME OF THE LOGIC BECAUSE GREEN LINE GOES DOWN TO SIX ALSO.

BUT I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE ROUTES OUT OF THE DART BUS STATION IN ADDISON GO DIRECTLY.

WELL, NOT DIRECTLY, BUT THE ROUTES DO GO TO THOSE DESTINATIONS ALONG THE ROUTE, THE BUS ROUTES.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE NOT HAD I'VE NOT HAD A LOT OF TIME TO DIVE INTO THIS, BUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF HOURS WE DID SEE THE PRESENTATION THAT DART DID ON THE POSSIBLE CHANGES. SO IF WE IF WE GOT OUT OF DART, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE 11 LINES THAT ARE BUS ROUTES THAT GO THROUGH AND IT FROM LOOKING THROUGH ON A HIGH LEVEL, THE MAJORITY ARE GOING TO GO TO EITHER NO TRAIL OR MONTFORT AND ARAPAHOE. SO THEY WILL HAVE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONCENTRATING THEM IN THOSE TWO AREAS.

AGAIN, THIS IS PRELIMINARY. THIS IS JUST WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT TO HAVE THEIR PUBLIC HEARINGS TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT PROPOSED ROUTE CHANGES.

SO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DIVE REAL DEEP INTO THIS.

BUT THAT'S JUST ON A ON A CURSORY LOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GOING TO GO.

SO, ASHLEY, WHEN YOU GET DONE, ARE WE GOING TO CIRCLE BACK TO THIS AND LOCK THESE DOWN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS JUST SOME INFORMATION THAT SHOWS HOW FAR EACH ONE OF THESE ARE.

AND WE BASICALLY TOOK THESE FROM THE TRANSIT CENTER.

SO THIS IS HOW FAR EACH ONE OF THESE IS FROM ADDISON CIRCLE.

SO WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AND IF WE'RE GETTING SCOPE WE COULD YOU KNOW LOOK AT THIS ALSO.

BUT DO WE WANT TO ADD A BENEFIT FOR OUR BUSINESS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS WHERE WE COULD HAVE DIRECT CIRCULARS AND DEDICATED ROUTES THAT GO TO SPECIFIC AREAS. OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE TALK TO DART ABOUT DOING A CIRCULATOR, IT WAS KELLER SPRINGS DOWN CORUM TO BELTLINE LIKE AN L, BUT IT DID NOT HIT VITRUVIAN.

IT DIDN'T HIT, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS OF TOWN.

SO DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT SOME DEDICATED CIRCULARS THAT WOULD HIT SPECIFIC AREAS OF TOWN? THE OTHER THING THAT WE WILL EVENTUALLY I DON'T NEED THIS INFORMATION TODAY, BUT THAT WILL EVENTUALLY NEED TO DECIDE ALSO IS WHAT DO WE WANT TO CHARGE? DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT THE SAME COST THAT DART DOES? DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT DEPENDING ON THE PRICE, WE COULD INCREASE OR DECREASE.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS TO BE THINKING ABOUT ALSO.

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SO PARATRANSIT ONE WAY WAS 350. SO AGAIN WE CAN GET PROPOSALS AND WE CAN GET COST.

AND THEN FROM THERE DECIDE ON WHAT OUR RATE STRUCTURE WILL BE.

SO NOW'S THE FUN TIME. SO WE NEED SOME DIRECTION.

FOR PARATRANSIT. DO WE WANT TO. AND AGAIN, WE CAN GO BIG AND THEN SCALE DOWN AS WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION.

BUT DO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN DART'S SERVICE AREA OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE A RING, A BUFFER RING AROUND ADDISON? AND IF SO, HOW FAR? I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK. DART'S SERVICE AREA INCLUDES ALL OF DALLAS. RIGHT? IT DOES. ALL 13 CITIES, BUT.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS RIGHT NOW, DART'S ALL OKAY.

IT'S ALL 13, BUT DALLAS IS HUGE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RING, IT COULD NOT INCLUDE ALL OF DALLAS OR WHERE WE GO ALL THE WAY TO SOUTH DALLAS AND IT'S A REALLY BIG RING. CAN THE RING BE ADDISON'S? NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING. I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO A FIVE MILE RING AROUND ADDISON AND ALL OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, OKAY? BECAUSE I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE NEEDING TO GO TO THE DOCTOR IN DALLAS.

AND MAYBE THEY GO TO BAYLOR. MAYBE THEY GO SOMEWHERE REALLY FAR, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO MISS THAT.

YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO TO GLENN HEIGHTS OR COCKRELL HILL.

I DOUBT ANYBODY'S REALLY GOING THERE. YEAH. I THINK IF WE ASKED TRANSDEV OR ONE OF THEIR PARTNERS FOR THEIR SUGGESTED BUFFER, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LEAD US TO WHERE WE WANT TO.

SO TRANSDEV IS GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED ON WHAT THEY CAN GIVE US, AND THEY PROBABLY WILL NOT GIVE US MUCH OF A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THEY ARE CURRENTLY PARTNERED WITH DART. OKAY. SO IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH THEM, THEY'VE BEEN VERY NICE, VERY ACCOMMODATING. BUT THEY ARE A CURRENT PARTNER OF DART.

AND ALTHOUGH THEY CAN THEY, THEY PROBABLY HAVE DATA AND THEY CAN GIVE US, THEY COULD GIVE US SOME ANECDOTAL DATA.

THE DATA ITSELF IS, IS HOUSED WITH DART. OKAY.

AND SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ASK. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE THEY WILL BE WITH MAKING ANY SORT OF RECOMMENDATION ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND SO ON ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES, ONE OF THE SLIDES RELATED TO PARATRANSIT, YOU, YOU HAD ASKED FOR IF WE WANTED TO DO A FULL ASSESSMENT OF RIDERS.

SO WHEN WOULD THAT OCCUR? IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT? I MEAN, WE WOULD HOPE AND IT MAY BE. I MEAN, TO BE HONEST, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE TO MAKE THINGS STREAMLINE.

AN OPTION WOULD BE DAY ONE. WE'RE JUST GOING TO PULL OVER DART DATA, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO START RECERTIFYING PEOPLE SO THAT NOBODY LOSES SERVICE. I DON'T I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WILL TAKE.

AND SO I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO NOT HAVE SERVICE WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THAT.

AND IN WHAT YOU'RE SHARING IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT DART WOULD SHARE THAT WITH US AFTER WE WITHDREW.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN SHARE THEY CAN SHARE DATA WITH ME AS FAR AS THE WHO, THE WHERE, THE FREQUENCY. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN SHARE THEIR CERTIFICATION PROCESS WITH US BECAUSE THAT'S IT'S HIPAA INFORMATION STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW TO HAVE DART AS OUR PARTNER WHILE WE'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH US TO SHARE RIDERSHIP DATA.

SO I THINK I CAN'T IMAGINE SOME SCENARIO WHERE THEY SOMEHOW WE WOULD GET THAT DATA.

HIPAA WISE, PARTNERSHIP WISE, ANY WHICH WAY. SO SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WORKING, WORKING WITHOUT ANY DATA, BUT I'M GOING TO WORK A LITTLE BACKWARDS HERE AND SAY THAT YOU KNOW, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS.

7% OF OUR POPULATION, ALMOST 7% OF OUR POPULATION IS IS PARATRANSIT RIDERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OLD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. RIGHT.

ALL I KNOW IS I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AND SO IF WE IF WE DO GO IN THIS DIRECTION AND WE DO WITHDRAW, I WOULD I WOULD LIKE US TO HANDLE THAT. YEAH.

TO BE IN THE POSITION WHERE WE WE GET EVERYBODY REREGISTERED AS A PARATRANSIT RIDER.

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AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE AND WE KNOW THEIR NEEDS AND SO FORTH.

SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WORKING IN THE DARK. SO I DON'T HAVE A SUGGESTION AS TO A BUFFER OTHER THAN SAY, I SURE. WOULD. IT WOULDN'T HURT US TO ASK IF WE'RE GOING TO GET A QUOTE FROM VIA OR.

WHAT WAS THE OTHER WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? RADKE RADKE.

WHOEVER. RIGHT. I WOULD ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARTNERING WITH TRANSDEV, AND IT JUST IT WOULDN'T HURT US TO ASK THAT AND WE MIGHT FIND SOME HELPFUL INFORMATION.

BUT IF WE DO WITHDRAW, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO OVERHAUL THIS WHOLE THING AND START FROM SCRATCH AND GET EVERYBODY SIGNED UP AND CERTIFIED.

AND WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY LIVE, THEIR, THEIR NEEDS.

AND WE CAN WE CAN SCALE THIS THING AND KNOW WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

OKAY, I ECHO THAT. I APOLOGIZE, GO AHEAD IF YOU WANT TO.

GO AHEAD. I ECHO THAT THOSE NUMBERS SEEM HUGE TO ME.

WITH THE NUMBER. AND I JUST THINK THAT ALMOST COULD LEAD TO THAT'S OLD DATA.

THAT'S PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT LIVE HERE ANYMORE.

IT'S PEOPLE THAT HAD A BROKEN LEG. THEIR LEG IS HEALED.

THEY DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET BETTER DATA ON THAT.

CAN WE START OUR OWN PROCESS OF QUALIFYING THESE PEOPLE EVEN BEFORE THE ELECTION, HAVE A PROCESS TO WHERE THEY COME TO US.

SO DAY ONE, WE WILL WE WILL BE READY. BECAUSE LET ME REITERATE, THIS IS THE POPULATION THAT I THINK WE ARE REALLY GOING TO NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED. I 100% IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

SO IF WE CAN GET THAT STARTED, SO WE CAN START THAT PROCESS ON THE VERY FIRST DAY OF OUR CONTRACT, THAT COULD BE THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, IS GETTING THAT DONE AND SIGNING A CONTRACT PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.

YES. OKAY. SO SO IF YOU REMEMBER HINGING ON US PULLING OUT OF COURSE.

YES. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT I'M GOING TO SKIP AHEAD JUST A LITTLE BIT.

WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING HOPEFULLY A CONTRACT TO YOU BY MARCH 24TH.

OKAY. PART OF THAT WOULD BE I MEAN, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND SOME MONEY NOT KNOWING.

AND PART OF THAT WILL BE GETTING PARATRANSIT READY TO GO.

COME THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION. AND SO IT WOULD BE THAT NOW, WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO TAKE.

BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD WORK WITH WHOEVER THE PROVIDER IS.

THEY KNOW WHAT THE DEADLINE IS, SO MAYBE THEY HAVE TO RAMP UP A LITTLE BIT.

BUT YES, I MEAN, THE INTENT WOULD BE THE DAY WE SIGNED A CONTRACT THEY START WORKING ON.

I'M ASSUMING THOSE CONTRACTS WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON THE ELECTION.

SO I WOULD SAY THEY'RE THEY THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONTINGENT ON A, ON AN AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO WE MAY HAVE TO PAY. ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON A SUCCESSFUL OR HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT THE ELECTION, BUT THE ELECTORATE VOTE TO WITHDRAW, IT'LL IT'LL BE CONTINGENT ON THE ELECTION.

THERE COULD BE SOME DELIVERABLES IN THERE THAT THEY PROVIDE PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. YES. SORRY. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CONTRACT WILL BE CONTINGENT.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS WOULD BE FOR LEGAL OR I'M SURE YOU'VE GONE DOWN THIS ROAD WITH THE HIPAA AND TRYING TO GET THESE PEOPLE QUALIFIED.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH THIS IS MY SITUATION AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO IT.

DO WE DO WE HAVE SOMEONE QUALIFIED IN THE TOWN TO DO THAT, OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE SOMEONE? THESE COMPANIES SPECIALIZE IN THAT. THEY HAVE PEOPLE.

YES. YES THEY YES. OKAY. YES. RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE I MEAN BASICALLY SO RIGHT NOW YOU GO DOWN TO A CERTAIN OFFICE AND DART, WE WOULD WORK WITH THAT COMPANY, THAT WHERE DO WE NEED TO TAKE? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO CERTIFY, WE NEED SOMEBODY CLOSE WHERE THEY CAN GO DOWN TO THE OFFICE AND DO IT.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO.

WE DON'T ON STAFF. SO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE QUESTION I ASKED EARLIER.

AND YOU'VE CLARIFIED IT. I WAS THINKING THE TOWN, THEY COULD START APPLYING TO THE TOWN BEFORE WE HAD A CONTRACT, SO WE WOULD MAKE SURE WE HAD THEM TAKEN CARE OF.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT FIRST AND THEN LET THEM DO IT.

OKAY, THAT MAKES THAT MORE CLEAR WITH ME THEN. THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN I JUMP IN? SURE. GO AHEAD CHRIS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY CHALLENGING.

SO MANY MOVING PIECES. A LOT THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT OF.

YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE PUTTING THE TOWN IN THE TRANSPORTATION BUSINESS.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF HIDDEN COSTS, STAFF TIME.

AND I'M NOT SURE PUTTING ADDITIONAL CARS ON THE ROAD IS REALLY A GOOD SOLUTION, BUT I'M WILLING TO TRY TO WORK AND FIND SOMETHING THAT DOES WORK FOR THE TOWN.

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I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ASHLEY, I, YOU KNOW, I TOOK DART TO THE AIRPORT, AND I DID THE SURVEY.

DID WAS THAT AVAILABLE IN SPANISH AS WELL? I BELIEVE SO.

WE I KNOW WE POSTED FLIERS IN SPANISH. I DO, YOU KNOW, MARY.

DO YOU REMEMBER? BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT AS AN OPTION.

OKAY. I BELIEVE IF YOU CLICKED ON IT, IT GAVE YOU THE OPTION.

YEAH, I BELIEVE IT DID HAVE THE OPTION FOR SPANISH, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY DOUBLE CHECK SO I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER.

OKAY. AND THEN A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

LIKE A VIA FLEET FOR EXAMPLE. OR YOU KNOW, RIDE CO OR WHOEVER WE DECIDE TO GO WITH YOU KNOW, ARE THOSE? DO WE KNOW IF OR SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THEY WOULD.

THEY'RE ALSO UBER DRIVERS OR LYFT DRIVERS. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'D BE PEAK AND OFF PEAK PRICING AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION JUST TO TAKE THE MOST EXPENSIVE RIDE THAT AVAILABLE. SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HAVING OUR OWN DEDICATED VIA FLEET, OR WOULD THIS BE JUST ANY DRIVER WHO DRIVES FOR VIA WOULD WOULD POTENTIALLY COME TO ADDISON OR TAKE SOMEONE OUT OF ADDISON? NO. FOR OUR DEDICATED ROUTE. SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT BEING PARTNERED WITH THROUGH IF, IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT.

SO IF WE WANTED TO SUPPLEMENT WITH SOMETHING LIKE AN UBER OR LYFT.

OTHERWISE IT IS IT IS OUR OWN DEDICATED FLEET.

I KNOW ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE SENT OUT WAS SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AND LIKE VIA PUT BUT IN THEIR RESPONSES THAT THEIR VEHICLES WILL ACTUALLY I MEAN, THERE ARE VEHICLES WILL HAVE DEDICATED DRIVERS.

THEY WILL BE WRAPPED HOWEVER WE WANT THEM WRAPPED IF IT'S OUT OF TRANSIT, WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT AS FAR AS OUR DEDICATED FLEET, IT IS OURS.

IT IS NOT. WE WON'T HAVE FLEET THAT'S PULLED IN FROM LET'S SAY PLANO GOES WITH VIA.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE FLEET THAT'S PULLED IN FROM PLANO.

PLANO WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN DEDICATED FLEET OR ARLINGTON, YOU KNOW.

OKAY. AND JUST A COUPLE THINGS. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS NOW, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A SMARTPHONE OR, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE CASH? THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. SURE. SO I ACTUALLY, AFTER THE LAST WORK SESSION THAT WE HAD AND THAT GOT BROUGHT UP I SPOKE TO BOTH RADKE AND VIA, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE CALL CENTERS AND DISPATCH CENTERS THAT IF YOU DON'T USE A SMARTPHONE, IF YOU IF YOU JUST WANT TO CALL SOMEBODY AND SET UP YOUR RIDE, YOU BOTH HAVE THAT CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT.

AND I THE QUESTION THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT REGARDING CASHLESS AND I LET ME PULL THAT UP. BUT BUT I DO HAVE RESPONSES TO IF THEY WANT TO IF YOU CAN GO CASHLESS.

SO SO JUST ONE OF THE POINTS A LOT, CHRIS, A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING WERE SHARED WITH I THINK IT'S LIKE A MOBILITY MATRIX OR SOME TYPE OF SPREADSHEET. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THAT WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE.

I THINK THAT WAS JUST SHARED WITH US TODAY. POSSIBLY.

OKAY. HEY. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER QUESTION. JUST WALK ME THROUGH.

YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS GETTING PEOPLE INTO TOWN.

SO THE IDEA, THE RALLY POINT. SO IF SOMEONE WAS COMING FROM GARLAND AND WAS TRYING TO GET TO ADDISON.

SO HOWEVER THEY WOULD GET TO YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING THEY WOULD TRY TO GET TO THE CLOSEST TRANSIT CENTER IN THE AREA OR CLOSEST DART STOP, AND THEN THEY WE WOULD SEND A CAR OUT TO MEET THEM AND BRING THEM INTO ADDISON.

IS THAT HOW THAT WOULD WORK? YES. WE WOULD SEND SOME SORT OF, I'M GOING TO SAY VEHICLE BECAUSE IT COULD, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SOME SORT OF EIGHT PASSENGER, TEN, 12 PASSENGER VAN OR SOMETHING.

BUT YES, WE WOULD SEND THE IDEA IN THE BACKGROUND BY OF WHY, HOW WE PICKED THOSE RALLY POINTS ARE THEY ARE DART STOPS.

SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO AT SOME POINT GET TO THAT DART STOP.

AND THEN THE ONES THAT I MENTIONED WHERE NOEL TRAIL AND SOMEWHERE AT MONTFORD AND ARAPAHO LOOKS LIKE WHERE MOST OF OUR BUS ROUTES ARE GOING TO STOP IF WE WERE TO PULL OUT.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT.

OKAY. AND JUST FINALLY A FINAL COMMENT IS I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING ABOUT THE PARATRANSIT.

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YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.

I, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT FOLKS GETTING TO THE DOCTOR WHEREVER THEY ARE.

SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID IN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. ASHLEY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? I'M TRYING TO TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW THE HOW THIS HOW THE WHOLE THING WOULD ACTUALLY WORK.

WE TALKED ABOUT PARATRANSIT AND HAVING RINGS, YOU KNOW, CIRCUMFERENCE, CIRCUMFERENCE AND SO FORTH AROUND ADDISON.

BUT AND THEN WITH THE OTHERS THAT ARE NOT PARATRANSIT, THEY WOULD JUST BE GOING TO THE RALLY POINTS AND BACK AND FORTH.

IS THAT. YES. AND AND TO BE HONEST, SOME OF THE PARATRANSIT MAY BE GOING TO THE RALLY POINTS.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR LEVEL OF DISABILITY OR NEED THAT THEY HAVE.

BUT YES, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD, UNLESS THEY'RE GOING WITHIN THE TOWN.

IF THEY'RE GOING WITHIN THE TOWN, WE'RE TAKING YOU STOP TO STOP.

SO IF I LIVE IN THE CIRCLE, BUT I WORK SOMEWHERE OVER BY VITRUVIAN, THEY'RE TAKING ME FROM THE CORNER OF WHERE I LIVE, TO THE CORNER OF WHERE I'M GOING. SO IF SOMEBODY'S JUST TRYING TO PICTURE THIS, IF SOMEBODY IS GETTING ON THE TRAIN, ON THE RED LINE OR GREEN LINE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY END UP IN DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON.

SO THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN ON THE TRAIN THAT TIME.

THEY GET THERE. AND THEN WHENEVER THE VEHICLE SHOWS UP.

COULD BE TEN MINUTES, COULD BE 30 MINUTES, COULD BE AN HOUR.

POTENTIALLY. AND THESE ARE SHARED RIDES. SO THEY COULD GET ON THAT VEHICLE WITH 2 OR 3 OTHER PEOPLE.

AND IT MEANDERS ALL THE WAY THROUGH AROUND ADDISON BEFORE THEY FINALLY GET TO THEIR STOP AT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.

THEY COULD BE IN THAT VAN FOR AN HOUR. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WILL DO THROUGH THAT APP IS TRY TO PAIR THE RIDES TOGETHER. OBVIOUSLY, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF OUR FLEET, BUT THEY'LL TRY TO PAIR THE RIDES TOGETHER OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GOING TO GRAB THE PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE, LET'S SAY, THE CARROLLTON DOWNTOWN STATION. AND AS THEY'RE COMING THROUGH TOWN, IF THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO THE SAME AREAS, THEY MAY STOP AND GRAB THOSE. BUT THE IDEA IS IT'S NOT ONE VEHICLE JUST TRYING TO MAKE ALL OF ALL OF ADDISON.

SO I'M THINKING ABOUT THE PEAK, THE PEAK HOURS OF THE DAY.

SURE. AND WHATEVER SIZE OUR FLEET IS, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD NEED TO BE TO, TO MAKE IT OPERATE EFFICIENTLY. SO YOU COULD HAVE A VEHICLE HEADING TO DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON, ONE HEADING TO ROYAL AND WHEREVER THAT OTHER WAS OVER THERE, ONE HEADING TO FIVE, SIX DIFFERENT RALLY POINTS ALL AT ONE TIME.

I'M DOUBTFUL THAT OUR FLEET IS LARGE ENOUGH TO TO REALLY MANAGE THAT WHERE WHERE IT MAKES IT COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE THIS, THIS MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DO IS TO TRY TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS OF WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE DO WE WANT TO PROVIDE IF WE WANT TO SAY WE? I MEAN, AS ASHLEY SAID, IF WE WANT TO SAY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE DURING A PEAK TIME NO ONE WAITS MORE THAN 20 MINUTES, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GO AND ASK FOR. AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT OTHER SOLUTIONS TO SOLVE FOR THAT? CAN I ASK A FEW QUESTIONS? ARE YOU DONE? YEAH.

SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 23? THE RALLY POINTS.

I ROAD DART. I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PRACTICE WRITING IT.

SO I WROTE IT FOR THREE HOURS ON FRIDAY DURING TRAFFIC TIME IN THE MORNING AND ENDED UP AT MY OFFICE.

I WROTE THE THE 235. IT'S A CIRCULATOR ROUTE, BASICALLY, THAT GOES UP TO HEBRON, UP ADDISON ROAD.

SO GET AN IDEA OF IT AND HOW LONG THINGS TAKE.

THE DELAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAPPENS ON THE BUSSES ALREADY.

IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE ROUTES, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO TRANSFER AND GO DIFFERENT PLACES.

I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND THE DELAYS THERE THAT THERE'S WAIT TIMES.

I'M JUST SAYING THIS EXACERBATES THAT. SO IF YOU HAVE A A VAN AND, YOU KNOW, WE CHOOSE OUR SERVICE LEVEL, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT ONE, ONE CIRCULATOR BUS ROUTE TYPE THAN OF WHATEVER PASSENGER SIZE IT IS CAN HIT. RALLY POINTS EIGHT, 12, SEVEN, 11. IN 15 MINUTES.

DROP OFF, DROP OFF AND HIT ALL OF THEM. SO THERE.

AND WE DON'T I MEAN, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, WE DON'T DESIGN THIS.

WE LET THE TRANSPORTATION EXPERTS AT VIA DESIGN THIS AND GIVE US THE MOST EFFICIENT SYSTEM BASED ON WHAT RESULTS WE WANT.

SO BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION, WHICH WE'RE ONLY ON PARATRANSIT RIGHT NOW.

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AND MY, MY DESIRE. SO MY, MY INPUT WOULD BE TO REPLICATE WHAT WE HAVE THE, THE RESULTS THAT WE HAVE NOW REPLICATE WHAT DART'S DOING.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT DART WON'T GIVE US THAT DATA BECAUSE THEY'RE STATE FUNDED.

THEY'RE FEDERALLY REGULATED FOR PARATRANSIT. IT'S NOT THEIR DATA.

SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SEAMLESS TRANSFER OF SERVICE.

AND I WOULD SAY DAY ONE, WE DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEN WE START A PROCESS OF MAYBE RECERTIFYING JUST WHATEVER MAKES SENSE ON THAT.

BUT IT'S I THINK DAY ONE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A DAY FOR ALL OF THIS.

WE HAVE HAVE TO HAVE A DAY ONE IMPLEMENTATION EXECUTION PLAN, RIGHT? THAT'S NON-NEGOTIABLE FOR ME. BUT MY MY INPUT IS REPLICATE WHAT WE HAVE WITH PARATRANSIT.

SO, SO TO MAYBE RELIEVE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR FEARS.

YESTERDAY I WENT TO ARLINGTON AND I RODE VIA JUST TO TRY IT OUT.

AND I PARKED MY CAR AND I DOWNLOADED THEIR APP.

I HAD TROUBLE WITH THE APP, SO I CALLED THE NUMBER AND I TALKED TO SOMEONE ON THE PHONE.

SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CELL PHONE THAT WORKED FOR ME.

THE CAR ARRIVED IN FIVE MINUTES. IT HAD VIA ARLINGTON, WHATEVER ON THE SIDE OF IT.

IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN UBER OR LYFT AND IT WAS THERE IN FIVE MINUTES.

THERE WERE TWO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE VEHICLE. IT DROPPED ONE OFF.

THEN IT DROPPED ME OFF, AND THEN I GUESS TOOK THE OTHER PERSON.

IT WAS PRETTY SEAMLESS. I MEAN, I, I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THERE FASTER IF I DROVE MY OWN CAR, BUT BUT I THOUGHT FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT IT WASN'T TOO BAD.

AND IT WAS ABOUT 330 IN THE AFTERNOON ON THE WAY BACK.

I CALLED. I USED THE APP. SO AT THAT TIME IT IT WAS 430.

SO NOW IT WAS CLOSE TO RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. SO IT'S AT 11 MINUTES.

I COULD SEE THE VEHICLE COMING DOWN THE ROAD AND COMING, AND I HAD TO MEET HIM AT THE CORNER.

BUT IT WAS A CORNER RIGHT THERE WHERE I CONTACTED HIM.

I WAS THE CLOSEST CORNER. THEY PICKED ME UP AGAIN WITH TWO PEOPLE.

THIS TIME THEY DROPPED OFF BOTH THE OTHER PEOPLE AND THEN ME.

BUT IT WAS ALL IN THE SAME AREA. SO ARLINGTON'S A LOT BIGGER THAN THAN ADDISON.

BUT LIKE, TO YOUR POINT, THOSE STOPS WERE SORT OF.

SO I GUESS THEY ROUTED SOMEBODY TO COME PICK ME UP THAT KNEW WHERE THE OTHER ROUTES WERE GOING.

SEEMED PRETTY SOPHISTICATED, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE.

SO I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED AN UBER WHERE I WAS IN THE CAR BY MYSELF.

BUT FOR $4 IT WAS. IT WAS A BARGAIN, SO I HAD A GOOD EXPERIENCE.

I THINK IT COULD WORK. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO ALONG THE LINE OF WHAT HOWARD IS TALKING ABOUT.

SO LAST WEEK I DID A SEARCH AND BASICALLY ASKED WHAT CITIES ACROSS THE US HAVE THE TOP MICRO TRANSIT.

AND SO THOSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THOSE CITIES WERE SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

BUT ONE OF THE FIVE WAS ARLINGTON. SO WHEN I FOUND THAT OUT AND THE OTHER ONES WERE ON THE ON THE COAST, THEY WERE FAR AWAY. THEY WEREN'T CONVENIENT. SO SO RANDY AND I WENT OUT THURSDAY AND DID BASICALLY THE SAME THING YOU DID.

AND AND SO I WAS BLOWN AWAY WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY.

THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. BETTER. BETTER THAN, BETTER THAN UBER.

NO SURGE PRICING, CUSTOM CUSTOM BRANDED PRODUCT.

CLEAN PRODUCT. VETTED DRIVERS BY VIA, POWERED BY VIA.

AND THE MORE I GOT INTO THIS, THE MORE AND YOU'RE JUST GOING DOWN THIS ONE PATH.

SO YEAH, YOU DO HAVE TO IF YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO UBER, YOU DO.

IT'S A SHARED EXPERIENCE WHERE UBER IS NOT, BUT IT'S AT THE RATE THAT IT, THAT IT'S AT, YOU KNOW, THE VEHICLE TO ME IT'S A LOT BETTER IF IT'S CUSTOM BRANDED THAN SOME NON DESCRIPT VEHICLE WITH A LITTLE LIFT LIGHT OR A LITTLE UBER STICKER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I KNOW THIS DOESN'T REPLACE UBER LYFT.

THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE OUT THERE. AND FOLKS THAT WANT TO RIDE THAT AND TAKE THAT AND ALL THE OTHER OTHER OPTIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT THERE. BUT THIS, THIS REALLY OPENED MY MIND TO, TO WHAT WE COULD DO.

AND, AND I WAS NOT THINKING BEFORE THURSDAY, WHEN RANDY AND I DID, I WAS REALLY NOT IMAGINING THIS MINIVAN. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. CAN WE PULL UP THE SLIDE WITH THE ARLINGTON TRANSPORTATION MINIVAN? I THINK YOU JUST. THERE YOU GO, THERE YOU GO, THERE YOU GO.

SO, YOU KNOW, I AM REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THIS THIS KIND OF VEHICLE AND AND SO, SO NOW I'M SEARCHING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY OF OTHER, OTHER SCENARIOS.

AND I'M BASICALLY I'M SEEING THE SAME VEHICLE.

IT'S NOT NOT THE SAME MAKE AND MODEL, BUT IT'S THE SAME SIZE.

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IT'S THE SAME LOOK AND IT'S SMALL, IT'S AGILE, IT'S QUICK.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM TAKING QUICK TURNS.

WHEN WHEN RANDY AND I WENT OUT TO THINGS PICKED US UP WHERE WE WANTED THEM TO PICK.

I MEAN, RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE WE WERE AT, WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO FIRST MILE, LAST MILE, ANY OF THAT.

AND IT DROPPED US OFF. EXACTLY. SO, SO EVERY TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS THIS FIRST MILE, LAST MILE SITUATION.

AND THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IF IT WAS RUSH HOUR AND EVERYTHING WAS JAMMED UP, BUT BUT WHEN WE WENT OUT WE WERE RIDING FROM I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 230 TO 5, 430 SOMEWHERE IN THERE. AND, AND SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD IS THANK GOD OUR GEOGRAPHY IS. SO THE SIZE OF OUR CITY IS SO SMALL.

4.35MI², MINUS WHAT, 17% OF AIRPORT. AND YOU TAKE THAT, AND THEN YOU GO A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THAT AND YOU THINK ABOUT RALLY POINTS. AND SO THIS IS JUST THIS IS ONE ONE OF THE THINGS IN MY MIND WHERE WE CAN USE THE SMALLNESS OF OUR SIZE TO OFFER A PRODUCT THAT MOST CITIES ARE JUST, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REPLICATE.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FROM US IS, IS GOT TO BE SOME TYPE OF DECISION TREE.

YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT PARATRANSIT, I GET THAT, BUT.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE THE NON PARATRANSIT IN MY MIND, YOU'VE GOT A DECISION TREE.

YOU'VE GOT WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE PICKUP TIME THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT I THINK LIKE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

RIGHT. I MEAN WE WE HAVE FIRST CLASS FIRST RESPONDERS.

OUR AVERAGE PICKUP TIME IS SUB FOUR MINUTES. SO I THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY.

SO FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT, RIGHT? WHAT'S OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE? SO TO ME, IT'S IT'S TEN MINUTES OF AVERAGE AVERAGE PICKUP TIME.

SOME ARE GOING TO BE LONGER, SOME WILL BE SHORTER. BUT TO ME, YOU GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT BEFORE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT YOUR SERVICE TERRITORY.

AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT YOUR SERVICE AREA THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT YOUR AVERAGE TIME FOR PICKUP.

AND THEN PRICING IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT.

SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS AN AVERAGE PICKUP TIME OF TEN MINUTES.

I WHEN I LOOK AT THIS MAP AND YOU'VE GOT THESE RALLY POINTS WAY OUT HERE AND THERE AND AND FAR OFF, I JUST KEEP THINKING ABOUT OUR POLICE OFFICERS WHEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD TAKE GRAB SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL, AND THEN THEY DRIVE THEM ALL OVER TO GRAPEVINE, AND THEN THEY'RE OUT OF THERE, BEAT RIGHT THERE OUT OF ADDISON DRIVING FOR AN HOUR OR LONGER. AND I JUST SEE THAT AS A RECIPE FOR A MESS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AVERAGE PICKUP TIMES OF OF TEN MINUTES.

SO I'M RECOMMENDING A TIGHT, A TIGHT SERVICE TERRITORY ALSO.

AND I'M DEFINITELY RECOMMENDING SOMETHING VERY, VERY AFFORDABLE, LIKE $4 PER RIDER.

AND, AND I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A CUSTOM BRANDED MINIVAN.

LIKE WHAT? ADDISON. ARLINGTON TRANSPORTATION DOES.

AND THERE'S, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF THESE THINGS. ONCE YOU START KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND LOOKING AROUND IN THE COUNTRY. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. AND WE CAN GO TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT ABOUT WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC RALLY POINTS, I'M READY TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT I DO THINK, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF DECISION TREE.

OTHERWISE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

YEAH. SO IF WE COULD I KNOW DARREN ALREADY RECOMMENDED THE 13 DART CITIES FOR PARATRANSIT.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY? I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

ON THAT COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WE HAVE FOR THE, FOR THE AND HAVE A DIFFERENT SERVICE. IF YOU'RE WHAT WHAT WAS THE HIGHEST LEVEL? CATEGORY ONE. YEAH, FOR CATEGORY ONE, I'D BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE A LESS OF A NEED AND YOU'RE A CATEGORY TWO OR A THREE TO GET YOU TO A SPOT, BUT THAT RIDERSHIP IS GOING TO CHANGE. RANDY, WHAT WHAT IS TODAY IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

SO YOU SAY WE SO SO SO I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

NO. IT'S FINE. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.

YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOMETHING YOU.

IF WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A MICRO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, WE HAVE THIS MANY OF CATEGORY ONE, TWO AND THREE, WE SHOULD HAVE FOUR AND A HALF OF THESE VEHICLES LIKE THAT.

JUST IT SEEMS LIKE THAT GETS DIFFICULT TO MANAGE BECAUSE THEN A YEAR FROM NOW THAT RIDERSHIP IS DIFFERENT.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES IT MORE COMPLICATED TO SAY IF YOU'RE A CATEGORY ONE YOU HAVE TO HAVE, WE CAN TAKE YOU TO BAYLOR HOSPITAL AND GET YOU SOMETHING DONE.

IF YOU'RE A CATEGORY THREE AND YOU JUST YOU CAN GET IN A VAN.

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WE CAN GET YOU SOMEWHERE TO GET ON, GET ON THE BUS.

I THINK DOING IT BY CATEGORY WOULD BE EASY TO DO.

WHILE I'M USING THESE SERVICES AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAIT TIMES, I'M GOOD WITH A 15 MINUTE WAIT TIME, BUT TEN IS FINE IN A SMALL TOWN OF ADDISON. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THE DIFFERENCE IN MAKING A BUNCH OF STOPS ON A BUS AND MAKING A BUNCH OF STOPS IN ONE OF THESE.

IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ON A BUS, YOU'RE MANDATORY.

YOU'RE GOING TO STOP AT EVERY STOP ALONG THE WAY.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T STOP IF THERE'S NOT A RIDER THERE.

OKAY, LET ME MOVE ON THEN. SO THE UPSIDE TO THIS, WHAT'S BETTER ABOUT THIS THAN A BUS THAT I HAVE FOUND IS ONCE YOU REQUEST THE RIDE, IT WILL TELL YOU HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE.

IT SHOWS YOU A PICTURE OF THE CAR AND THE ROUTE THAT IT'S TAKING.

I WAS HAVING LUNCH. I ORDERED A RIDE. I WAS ABLE TO FINISH MY TEA, GET THE CHECK, AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT WHERE THE CAR IS ON THE ROUTE, AND I DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND STAND IN THE RAIN AT A BUS STOP, HOPING THAT THAT BUS IS ON TIME.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE THERE. IT HAD THE PHONE NUMBER FOR THE DRIVER.

IT HAD THE LICENSE PLATE OF THE CAR. IT HAD A PICTURE OF THE DRIVER IF I HAD ANY PROBLEM, AND I TRIED IT ONCE JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WORKED, I CALLED THE DRIVER JUST TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE AND HE PICKED UP IMMEDIATELY.

IT IS JUST SUCH A BETTER SITUATION THAN A BUS.

I'M SORRY YOU'RE WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING. GO AHEAD. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING STORIES ABOUT HOW MUCH EVERYBODY LIKES YOUR EXPERIENCE. THAT'S GREAT. FINE. BUT WE NEED TO MOVE DOWN THIS LIST BECAUSE IT'S AT 7:00 ALREADY.

I UNDERSTAND, HOW MANY BUSSES DO WE HAVE? YOU SAID HOW MANY BUS STOPS WE HAVE.

DO WE KNOW HOW MANY BUSSES WE'VE GOT DRIVING THROUGH ADDISON? NO. I WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE THE NUMBER OF BUSSES THAT ARE DRIVING THROUGH AND THE NUMBER OF THESE VIA VEHICLES THAT THEY THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED FOR OUR FLEET.

AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A SMALLER NUMBER OF THE SMALLER VEHICLES THAN THE BIG BUSSES THAT ARE RUNNING ACROSS TOWN.

CAN I JUMP IN, PLEASE? SO THE MY CONCERN. IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE 4.5MI², RIGHT? BUT MY CONCERN IS GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE TOWN, RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE COMPETING. RIGHT. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE EYE WHO'S CONSIDERING MOVING THEIR BUSINESS TO ADDISON, LOOKING IN THE EYE AND SAY, YES, I CAN GET YOUR STAFF HERE ON TIME EVERY DAY.

AND I JUST THE IDEA OF THE RALLY POINTS AND MULTIPLE STOPS, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IT.

THAT THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH ALL THIS MOVING PEOPLE AROUND WITHIN ADDISON.

I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. IT'S CALLED UBER AND LYFT.

MY CONCERN IS GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE TOWN, THE PARATRANSIT.

I WANT TO JUST DO EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE GOT WITH DART RIGHT NOW.

MY CONCERN IS GETTING PEOPLE IN, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON.

OKAY. SO WE NEED TO WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION ON ON WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

SO I THINK I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON PARATRANSIT.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS SAME SERVICE. START WITH THE START WITH THE 13 CITIES, AND I THINK WE CAN GET OPTIONS AS WE GO FORWARD AND HAVE THEM COME BACK AND SAY THEY CAN GIVE US SOME. WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE FOR EACH OF THE CATEGORIES? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE VENDORS CAN GIVE US AS WE GO THROUGH A PROPOSAL PROCESS. SO I THINK I'VE HEARD A MAJORITY OF FOLKS SAY WHAT I'M SAYING IS VENDOR RECOMMENDATION.

AND IF THAT'S 13 CITIES, IT'S 13. SO I'M THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

AND I'VE HEARD THREE SAY THE 13 CITIES. BUT I'M NOT RANDY AND HOWARD, I DON'T I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT THEY SAID.

DID YOU DID YOU GUYS HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT? I SAID A FEW TIMES, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO TO COCKRELL HILL, GLENN HEIGHTS. I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE NEED TO GO TO HIGHLAND PARK OR UNIVERSITY PARK.

SO I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT. ARE WE TAKING THEM THERE? WOULD IT BE A LOWER COST IF IT WAS ONLY NINE CITIES INSTEAD OF 13? SO I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT ALL 13. WOULD THOSE PARATRANSIT? WOULD THOSE BE YOU PAY PER RIDE? YES, YES. SO IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO COCKRELL HILL, WE DON'T PAY FOR IT.

BUT I THINK WE I THINK WE SHOULD STILL OFFER TO DARREN'S POINT.

OFFER THE SERVICE THAT'S BEING OFFERED NOW. OKAY.

I THOUGHT THEIR COST HAD TO DO WITH HOW BIG THE AREA IS.

IT DOESN'T. WELL, PARATRANSIT, I MEAN, YES, OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGER THE MORE CITIES YOU GO TO.

I MEAN, IT WILL IT WILL COST MORE, I MEAN, BUT ONLY IF IT WILL GO RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO WHAT I MEAN, I DON'T I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW THEY ARE GOING TO MODEL THE PRICING FROM EACH COMPANY.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT KIND OF DETAIL. SO OBVIOUSLY BEING ABLE TO GIVE THEM SPECIFIC INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE WILL HELP.

AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW THEY MODEL IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW EACH EACH COMPANY IS GOING TO MODEL THAT PRICING.

AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST REMIND YOU KNOW, ASHLEY MENTIONED EARLIER IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE SCALABLE.

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WE'RE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT. SO IF WE START WITH 13 AND AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME WE SEE EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

THEN WE CAN UPDATE THE CONTRACT. WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED MATCH WHAT FOLKS ARE USING.

SO I WANT TO HEAR THAT FEEDBACK. BUT IF THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW TO START AND THEN SCALE DOWN APPROPRIATELY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO. I THINK THAT COULD BE A ROUTE THAT WE COULD GO BUT CERTAINLY WE WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY AND GET CONSENSUS.

THAT'S GOOD WITH ME. I COULD SUPPORT THAT. IF WE CAN COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE OUR PARATRANSIT HAS BEEN GOING, AND I'M, I'M ADAMANT ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY ONE TWOS AND THREES.

AND I WANT THAT ONE TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

I CERTAINLY WANT THEM TO GET TO THE MEDICAL DISTRICTS. I WANT THEM TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG HURDLE TO JUMP OVER.

YOU KNOW, THE CIRCULATOR WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A CIRCULATOR.

THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS A CIRCULATOR. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT A CIRCULATOR, BECAUSE THIS WHOLE SYSTEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL TAKE YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, SO HAVING SOMETHING ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE ON A ON A CIRCULATOR IS NOT.

IT WOULD BE REDUNDANT. AND THE ONLY OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE, MAYOR, IS YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT VIA HAS OTHER SIZED VEHICLES, BUSSES EVEN MAYBE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING FOR OUR FESTIVALS WHEN WE HAVE THE BIG, YOU KNOW, STAR SPANGLED FOURTH AND THINGS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LARGER VEHICLE THAT MAY GO TO NOEL TRAIL TO PICK UP PEOPLE COMING OFF THE VAN, RATHER THAN 2 OR 3 PEOPLE GETTING IN ONE CAR AND COMING.

SO IF WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING FOR FESTIVALS, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT, IF THEY COULD OFFER SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET MORE NUMBERS IN, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THE DIRECTION WE NEED FOR PARATRANSIT.

I WOULD I WOULD JUST JUMP. I WOULD JUST SAY WE JUMP.

SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK ON THE OUTSIDE OF ADDISON, WE'VE HEARD KIND OF A GOAL OF TEN MINUTES, A GOAL OF 15 MINUTES, POSSIBLY REDUCING OR TRYING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF RALLY POINTS TO CONDENSE THEM.

THAT'S SOME GOOD FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR, SO ANYTHING ELSE ON THOSE POINTS WOULD BE GREAT.

WITH REGARD TO THAT RALLY POINTS OR CONNECTION POINTS, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, THE RFP WOULD GIVE US SOME OPTIONS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE OPTIONS TO GO TO THE OUTSIDE, RALLY POINTS TO THE STATIONS, THE END POINTS THE BUSSES GO TO NOW.

AND IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE LIMITED SERVICE, YOU KNOW, ONCE AN HOUR GOING THE ROUTE EXTENDS OUT TO THERE AND GOES OVER THERE.

I MEAN, THESE ARE THE THINGS THE TRANSPORTATION EXPERTS ARE GOING TO TELL US FROM, FROM VIA. AND IF YOU DO THAT, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE FASTER, POTENTIALLY FASTER THAN A BUS GOING THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GO MORE DIRECT.

THERE MAY BE LESS STOPS. THERE WON'T BE STOPS IN CARROLLTON OR THE OTHER CITIES ALONG THE WAY.

SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER. AND BACK TO THE PARATRANSIT.

I MEAN, SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABUSE AND NEED, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THOSE THINGS WOULD BE ADDRESSED.

IF SOMEBODY IS ABUSING THE SYSTEM, IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

HIT IT ON THE HEAD. AND IF THEY HAVE THE NEED, IF IT'S A LESSER NEED THAN YOU KNOW, I'M SURE WE WE SHOULD BE SENSIBLE ABOUT HOW TO GET THEM. THEIR RALLY POINTS. DEFINE THE RALLY POINTS.

SO. BUT GENERALLY I'M THINKING THAT AND THE SERVICE LEVEL I WOULD THINK 10 OR 15 MINUTES WILL, IT'LL BE DARK AND AVERAGE OF THE BIGGER TRANSIT SYSTEM.

SO I WOULD PROBABLY LEAN TOWARDS I'D LIKE TO HAVE PROPOSALS REACH.

GIVE US TEN MINUTES. GIVE US 15 MINUTES. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US THOSE PROPOSAL LEVELS.

OKAY? OKAY. ASHLEY ON SLIDE 24, COULD WE COULD WE LOOK AT ADDING AND SEE IF 227 BUS ROUTE? 227 MAKES SENSE? AT IT'S OFF OF VERDE VALLEY. THERE'S A BUS STOP OFF VERDE VALLEY NEAR MONTFORT, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR BORDER, RIGHT IN THERE. AND SO CAN WE LOOK AT IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO ADD THAT THAT IS CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER SEVEN.

IT'S NO. SO I WANT TO SET THE TOLLWAY. THERE'S ONE AT VERDE VALLEY.

AND SO IT IS BUS, BUS ROUTE 227, BUT THERE'S A SPECIFIC STOP OFF OF VERDE VALLEY VERY, VERY CLOSE TO MONTFORT.

YEAH. SO THAT IS ONE THAT THEY ACTUALLY I NEED TO I'M GOING TO DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THAT IS ONE THAT THEY LISTED IN THEIR PRESENTATION THAT DART DID TODAY AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND HAVING THAT ROUTE STOP RELOCATE TO THE PRESTONWOOD TOWN CENTER.

OKAY. SO LET ME LET ME LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE HAPPENS.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ON OUR LIST THAT THAT ALSO CONNECTS TO DALLAS COLLEGE, BROOKHAVEN CAMPUS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A HUGE MISS IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT AS A RALLY POINT OR THAT CONNECTED TO A RALLY POINT, AND ALSO THAT THAT GOES DOWN AND CONNECTS WITH THE TREE.

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SO I THINK AND UNTIL DART REMOVES THAT LINE, I THINK THAT IT, IT BELONGS ON THAT THAT LIST.

OKAY. AND WITH ALL THESE RALLY POINTS, THE ONES THAT ARE WAY OUT, 4 OR 5, SIX, TWO AND THREE, WE'VE GOT SOME I THINK WE'VE GOT DIRECTION TO TAKE SOME OF THEM.

OKAY. IF YOU CAN GET THERE ON THE SILVER LINE, YOU CAN GET THERE ON THE SILVER LINE.

I WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF ANYTHING THAT FAR OUTSIDE OUR BOUNDARIES.

OKAY. ON THE RALLY POINTS, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SERVICE DOWN BY VITRUVIAN AND ON THE CIRCULATORS.

I WOULD THINK THAT OUR BUS, OUR BUS ROUTES WOULD WE WANT I WANT TO HAVE CIRCULATOR FUNCTIONALITY IN THERE, WHETHER IT'S SERVED BY THE EXISTING BUSSES THAT WE HAVE, BUSSES, SHUTTLES, WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM.

AND SERVICE ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF ADDISON BECAUSE I DON'T.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MAP INSIDE OF ADDISON, BUT I GUESS THAT GOES TO THE 10 OR 15 MINUTE RULE OF WAIT TIME ALL OVER ADDISON, RIGHT? IS THAT UNDERSTOOD? I JUST WANT TO PUT A RALLY POINT, AT LEAST DOWN THERE IN THE VITRUVIAN AREA.

IT'S JUST NOT EVEN COVERED. AND THAT'S ON THE EDGE OF.

YEAH, THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF ADDISON THAT CONNECTS TO DART RIGHT NOW IS IN FARMERS BRANCH.

SO MUCH DART DOWN THERE IS THERE? THAT'S THERE'S NOT.

OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. THAT THAT ONE LINE I JUST MENTIONED GOES GOES THROUGH THERE.

YEAH WE HAVE IT COVERED. SO AND HOPEFULLY WITH FARMERS BRANCH WITHDRAWALS THEY DO SOMETHING.

IT'S A COLLABORATIVE THING THERE. SO AND AND AS FAR AS THE CIRCULATOR I DON'T NEED TO YOU KNOW AFTER YOU TAKE THIS MINIVAN THAT V IS OFFERING THROUGH ARLINGTON TRANSPORTATION AND OTHERS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEED FOR CIRCULATOR OTHER THAN OTHER THAN SOME BUSINESSES.

I CAN SEE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY. THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR FOR THE OWNER OF THAT THAT PROPERTY TO TO HAVE THEIR OWN CIRCULATOR. OBVIOUSLY SOME OF OUR HOTELS HAVE HAVE THEIR OWN.

OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK BASED ON SOME OF THE DIRECTION WE HAVE SO FAR ABOUT LIMITING THE SCOPE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE OF TOWN, BECAUSE REALLY, IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON NO TRAIL STATION AND NOT THE OTHER STATIONS AND THE STOPS OUTSIDE REALLY CLOSE TO OUR BORDER, I THINK THAT DOES MEAN WE CAN KIND OF NOT SEPARATE THE DISCUSSION OF IN, IN WITHIN MADISON AND OUTSIDE MADISON.

WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE A SERVICE THAT DOES BOTH BY NOT GOING SO FAR OUT.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD DIRECTION THAT WE'VE HEARD AS WE GO FORWARD FOR PROPOSALS.

IF WE DO CHARGE 3 OR $4 A TRIP, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 3 OR $400,000 OF REVENUE.

SO IT'S IT'S A SMALL DROP IN THE BUCKET. I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A FREE TRANSIT FOR ADDISON RESIDENTS AND WORKERS, SIMILAR TO THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB MODEL FOR THAT SMALL AMOUNT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU A PROPOSAL THAT IS BASED ON NO OFFSETS.

AND THEN FROM THERE, WE CAN DECIDE. OKAY, THANKS.

SO WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED FROM US? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS IT.

ONE THING WE DID WANT TO ASK. IT WOULD BE A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THEY COULD TURN AROUND OR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT DID YOU WANT TO DO SOME KIND OF PILOT PROGRAM IN APRIL LEADING UP TO IT? OR JUST HAVE THIS US ASK FOR A CONTRACT THAT STARTS, YOU KNOW, THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION IS CANVASED.

YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO DO A PILOT PROGRAM. I'D LIKE A PILOT.

WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL. AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS.

I WOULDN'T WANT A LONG PILOT PROGRAM. AND I WOULDN'T WANT A VERY EXPENSIVE ONE, BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND IT'S GOING TO BE IN HERE. BUT THE. AND WHEN WE SAY PILOT PROGRAM, I'M ASSUMING THEY WOULDN'T BE OUR OWN BRANDED VEHICLES OR WHATEVER.

SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE WHAT OUR BRANDED VEHICLES WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WE CAN START WORKING ON SOME SOME OPTIONS, A VERY SHORT INEXPENSIVE, INEXPENSIVE, EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW PILOT PROGRAM I THINK WOULD BE GOOD.

BUT SO WE'LL PUT THAT AS PART OF THE RFP PROCESS KNOWING THAT IT IS A SHORT TIMELINE.

SO SPEAKING OF TIMELINE WE HOPE TO HAVE VENDOR PRESENTATIONS TO YOU BY MARCH 10TH AND THEN A DECISION ON MARCH 24TH.

SO GOT IT. ASHLEY. YES, SIR. THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD.

AND I KNOW SOME OF THESE ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME FINANCIALS ON SOME OF THESE JUST TO SEE THE WHEREWITHAL THEY MIGHT HAVE. SURE. ASHLEY. ARE WE IN TOUCH WITH FLEX? RIGHT? NO. NOT YET. OKAY. IF IF THEY SERVICE THIS AREA, I WOULD LOVE TO GET

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A QUOTE FROM THEM. AND ALSO I WANT TO CONFIRM I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY OFFER THE PRODUCT FOR THE DENVER CONNECTOR.

OKAY. PART OF RTD. RTD IS LIKE PART OF DENVER.

AND WE WILL BE SENDING I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU CAN THINK OF ANY OF THEM, WE WILL SEND THIS RFP OUT TO EVERYBODY WHO THAT WE CAN FIND THAT PROVIDES A SERVICE LIKE THIS.

AND WE CAN SEND IT TO THEM, BUT THEY DON'T PROVIDE THIS TYPE OF SERVICE.

YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM ABOUT PROVIDING SERVICE. WE'LL LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND SEE IF THEY CAN SUPPLEMENT OR DO ANYTHING. THANK YOU.

OKAY. IN THE RFP, COULD WE HAVE A SEPARATE OR A OPTION FOR A CIRCULATOR, EVEN IF WE STAY IN DART SO THAT THAT BALL'S ROLLING ALSO.

SURE. I WOULD JUST YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING FOR A LOT IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WITH THIS.

SO I WOULD JUST KEEP THE SCOPE OKAY. AND HAVE A GOOD TIME FOR THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US, DAVE? HOPEFULLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ASHLEY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S THE LAST OF OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. IT'S 711.

LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK, AND THEN WE'LL RECONVENE AT 721.

OKAY, IT'S 722, AND WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL.

[ COUNCIL MEETING The Addison City Council will convene for a Council Meeting beginning at 7:00 PM in the Town Hall Council Chambers.]

COMING BACK IN FROM OUR WORK SESSION BREAK. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY, AND WELCOME.

TO OUR FEBRUARY 10TH ADDISON CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT WITH FIVE PRESENT IN THE ROOM.

AND WE DO HAVE TWO THAT ARE ONLINE VIA ZOOM THIS EVENING.

AND AS ALWAYS, WE'D LIKE TO START OUR MEETINGS WITH THE PLEDGE TO BOTH OUR FLAGS. IF YOU PLEASE, RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

[2. Proclamations / Presentations]

WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO. PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.

TWO A IS CITY MANAGER'S ANNOUNCEMENTS AND TWO B EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION DAVID GAINES.

THANKS, MAYOR. ONLY ONE ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT.

MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR THE SPRING TOWN MEETING ON THURSDAY, MARCH 3RD AT THE ADDISON PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

MEET TOWN STAFF FROM A VARIETY OF DEPARTMENTS AND GET UPDATES ON ON PROJECTS.

AT 6 P.M. THE PRESENTATION WILL BEGIN AT 7 P.M..

WE HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE THERE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION.

I'LL ASK CHIEF FRIESE TO COME UP.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, CHRIS FRIESE, CHIEF OF POLICE.

I'M DELIGHTED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST TEAM MEMBER, NICOLE, WHO JOINED THE TOWN ON DECEMBER 1ST AS A POLICE OFFICER.

SHE GREW UP IN HOUSE SPRINGS, MISSOURI, AND IS A GRADUATE OF NORTHWEST HIGH SCHOOL IN CEDAR HILL, MISSOURI. SHE WENT ON TO EARN HER ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE FROM EASTERN GATEWAY COMMUNITY COLLEGE OF OHIO.

A DEVOTED AND RESILIENT SINGLE MOM, NICOLE IS RAISING THREE CHILDREN AT JORDAN, MICHAEL AND ALSO ONE BONUS CHILD, FIONA, WHOM SHE WELCOMED INTO HER FAMILY WHEN FIONA WAS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AS A TEENAGER.

SHE ALSO HAS THREE LARGE FUR BABIES WILLOW, A GREAT DANE, HARLEY, A GREAT DANE, MASTIFF MIX AND KARMA.

A GERMAN SHEPHERD WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS, SHE PROUDLY SUPPORTS THE SAINT LOUIS BLUES AND THE SAINT LOUIS CARDINALS.

NICOLE WAS DRAWN TO ADDISON WHILE SEEKING A FRESH START IN TEXAS ON A SMALLER AGENCY, WHERE SHE COULD TRULY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AFTER MEETING THE PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT, SHE KNEW ADDISON WAS THE RIGHT FIT AND WANTED TO BE A PART OF A TEAM THAT VALUES CONNECTION, IMPACT, AND COMMUNITY. ONE OF NICOLE'S PROUDEST PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS WAS SPONSORING AN ALL INCLUSIVE DANCE TEAM, THE SHINING STARS.

WHILE SERVING AS A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER AT A MISSOURI HIGH SCHOOL WITH MORE THAN 2500 STUDENTS, THE PROGRAM PAIRED STUDENT DANCERS WITH VARSITY CHEERLEADERS AND DANCE TEAM MEMBERS WHO VOLUNTEERED AS CAPTAINS TO CHOREOGRAPH AND PERFORM ALONGSIDE STUDENTS WITH DISABILITIES AT SCHOOL EVENTS AND GAMES. PERSONALLY, SHE IS MOST PROUD OF RAISING HER CHILDREN AND BONUS CHILD AND BRINGING HER FAMILY TOGETHER FOR A NEW CHAPTER IN TEXAS.

IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO HER LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER, NICOLE SERVED FOUR YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY ABOARD THE USS PEARL HARBOR AS A DIESEL MECHANIC. SHE ALSO COMPLETED TWO DEPLOYMENTS DURING OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM AND OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM.

TO NICOLE, THE ADDISON WAY MEANS LEADING WITH BRAVERY AND PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST BY TREATING EVERYONE WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT.

FROM THE MOMENT SHE WAS HIRED, SHE HAS FELT WELCOMED, LIKE FAMILY AND SUPPORTED THROUGHOUT HER TRAINING. SHE IS GRATEFUL TO SERVE IN SUCH A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT, AND LOOKS FORWARD TO CONTRIBUTING TO THE STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAT MAKES ADDISON SAFE AND A PROUD PLACE TO WORK AND LIVE.

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PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING NICOLE. THANK YOU, CHIEF, AND WELCOME TO COLE. AND THANK YOU ALSO FOR YOUR MILITARY SERVICE. APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. BACK TO ME. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER THREE.

[3. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.]

PUBLIC COMMENT. CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.

COMMENT. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW.

COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSS ANY ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, AND THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

I DO HAVE THREE COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS THIS EVENING, SO WE'LL START WITH THOSE.

AND FIRST UP WE HAVE TRICIA STEWART AND YOU'LL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.

AND AS ALWAYS PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

HELLO. TRICIA STEWART 15755 SEABOLT. I WAS AT HOME WATCHING THE THE THE MEETING, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY WATCHED THE WORK SESSION BECAUSE I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, ALL OF YOU, FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR RESEARCH.

I THINK THAT EVERYONE NEEDED TO WATCH THAT WORK SESSION, BECAUSE IT GAVE ME GREAT PEACE TO KNOW THAT OUR COUNCIL, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE, BUT TO SEE IT IN ACTION, THAT YOU'RE WORKING TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND.

SHOULD WE VOTE TO LEAVE DART THAT OUR ARE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU.

TRICIA. NEXT UP WE HAVE FRANCIS POWELL. AND YOU'LL WANT TO HIT THAT BUTTON TO TURN THAT MIC BACK ON PLEASE. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WALKABILITY AND NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

SORRY. FRAN POWELL 14796 LOCHINVAR COURT IN THE OAKS NORTH SUBDIVISION.

AND I AM REPRESENTING THE OAKS NORTH HOA AT THIS POINT.

AND THE WALKERS IN OAKS NORTH. WALKABILITY TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN THIS TOWN, BUT THE WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM IN GOING FROM OAKS NORTH TO WINWOOD PARK. YOU HAVE TO WALK ALONG BELTLINE ROAD.

IT'S DANGEROUS. TWO GENTLEMEN WERE KILLED EARLIER THIS WEEK ON A SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE ALONG ARAPAHO, WHERE TWO CARS WERE IN A WRECK, AND THEY BOTH DIED BECAUSE THEY WERE HIT BY ONE OF THE CARS.

EVERY TIME I WALK ALONG BELTLINE ROAD, WHICH IS NEARLY A DAILY BASIS, IT TERRIFIES ME THAT SOME PERSON ONE DAY IS GOING TO BE ON THEIR PHONE AND NOT LOOKING WHERE THEY'RE GOING, AND GET ON THE SIDEWALK.

THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS BETWEEN OAKS NORTH AND WINWOOD PARK.

ONE IS THE FINANCE BUILDING, EASY TO WALK THROUGH.

THE SECOND IS THE WHITE STONE COTTAGE. CAN WE NOT APPROACH THE WHITE STONE COTTAGE AND BUY TEN FEET OF LAND BETWEEN THE CREEK AND THEIR HOUSE? PUT UP A FENCE IF THEY NEED TO HAVE A FENCE, BUT CONTINUED THE WALKWAY FROM WINWOOD PARK INTO OAKS NORTH. YOU WOULD PUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE AT PEACE, KNOWING THAT THEY NO LONGER HAVE TO WALK ALONG BELTLINE ROAD.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FRIEND.

NEXT UP WE HAVE RON WHITEHEAD. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL RON WHITEHEAD, 39, 19 BOBBIN LANE IN ADDISON. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO 60 AND JUST ASK THAT THE COUNCIL CALL THE ELECTION IN MAY FOR THE POLICE BONDS, THE POLICE.

WE SPENT FIVE WEEKS LOOKING AT THE PROPOSITION.

THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED TO YOU, 13 TO 1, THAT YOU COME FORWARD WITH THE ELECTION IN MAY FOR THE 55 MILLION.

AND I HOPE YOU WILL MAKE THAT CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. RON. THAT'S THE LAST OF THE COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS THAT I HAVE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? YES, SIR.

COME FORWARD AND NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

YES. TESTING MAYOR. MY NAME IS KEN GEDNEY. I OWN A COMPANY CALLED OPTI SKI AT 4511 EDDIE RICKENBACKER.

IF YOU REMEMBER, I WAS SPOKE TO THE SPOKE TO YOU ON OCTOBER 14TH AND I SAID, IF WE COULD HAVE 60 DAYS, WE'D SHOW YOU A PLAN FOR TAXIWAY SIERRA AT ADDISON AIRPORT.

WE'VE BEEN VERY BUSY. WE'VE LOOKED AROUND THE COUNTRY AT ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT FBOS AND AIRPORTS, AND WE HIRED AN ARCHITECT BY THE NAME OF KELLY MORGAN.

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HE BUILT SKY BE A SKY SQUARE. HE'S ALSO DOING THE ROSA PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE.

I SENT OVER TODAY A VIDEO THAT'S ONLY 54 SECONDS OF A 3D IMAGE OF TAXIWAY SIERRA, WHICH I'D LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT.

AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. IT'S NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.

WE NEED TO SHOW IT. YEAH. YEAH. SINCE THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD, WE CAN'T.

SURE. WELL, I EMAILED IT TO EACH AND EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER, AND SO SO THEY COULD DOWNLOAD IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M AVAILABLE. I DON'T ANSWER MY PHONE CALL ON EVERY TIME BECAUSE OF THE AI CALLS THAT WE GET TODAY.

BUT I HAVE ALL OF YOU IN MY DATABASE. IF IF YOU CALL ME AND YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT VIDEO, I THINK YOU'D BE REALLY VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT.

WHAT WE DID, WE IT'S GOT A LOT OF GLASS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE FIRST CLASS.

I TURNED 70 NEXT MONTH. I WANT TO LEAVE ADDISON.

I'VE BEEN ON THE AIRPORT 43 YEARS, AND I'D LIKE TO LEAVE.

MARK. AND I'D LIKE TO PASS THAT MARK TO WILL BROOKS.

HE'S THE SON OF STEPHEN BROOKS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT EXTREMELY HARD.

BUT I TOLD YOU IN OCTOBER 14TH THAT I WOULD COME BACK AND I WOULD SHOW YOU SOMETHING WITHIN 60 DAYS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS VIDEO, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD.

IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE FOR WHAT TAXIWAY SIERRA COULD LOOK LIKE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, KEN, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I KNOW YOU'D YOU'D APPLIED ONLINE TO SPEAK AND I JUST OVERLOOK THAT.

SO. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. WELL, SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR.

[4. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]

CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT TONIGHT INCLUDES ITEMS FOR A THROUGH FOUR D.

IS THERE A MOTION TO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA A THROUGH D SECOND.

THANK YOU, DARREN AND MARLON FOR THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. AYE AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. I'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE A AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

[a. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to rezone a 0.729-acre property, located at 1 Commercial Drive, from Mixed-Use Suburban (M-2) to Commercial Limited (CL) zoning district, to construct a multi-tenant building. Case 1946-Z / 1 Commercial Drive Rezoning.]

ITEM FIVE A IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE A 0.729 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT ONE COMMERCIAL DRIVE FROM MIXED USE SUBURBAN M2 TO COMMERCIAL LIMITED ZONING DISTRICT TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING CASE. 1940 6Z1 COMMERCIAL DRIVE REZONING. COREY, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

LIKE MAYOR SAID I HAVE A REZONING CASE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

I AM COREY BECK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO THE REQUEST WAS TO GO FOR A REZONE FROM MIXED USE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR, WHICH IS OUR M-2 ZONING DISTRICT, TO A COMMERCIAL LIMITED, WHICH IS OUR CL ZONING DISTRICT, TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING THE PROPERTY HISTORY IN 1980, THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM A LOCAL RETAIL AND APARTMENT MIXTURE OF IN THE AREA TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WHICH ALLOWED JUST TYPICAL COMMERCIAL USES.

THEN IN 2006, IT WAS REZONED TO BELT LINE UP FROM THAT PD, AND IT ACTUALLY INCREASED AND PROMOTED THE FLEXIBILITY FOR MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT ALONG BELTLINE AS AS IT DID IN OTHER AREAS.

THEN IN 2025, WE HAD THE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE GET ADOPTED AND IT BECAME EFFECTIVE.

SO THAT REZONED THIS PROPERTY FROM BELTLINE TO THE M-2 ZONING DISTRICT.

THEY ARE COMPARABLE. ONE FOR ONE. THEN TODAY WE HAVE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE PROPOSAL IS TO REZONE IT FROM THAT M-2 TO THE COMMERCIAL LIMITED FOR MULTI-TENANT BUILDING.

THE MAIN THE MAIN DESIGN STANDARD THAT THE REZONE APPLICATION IS ABOUT IS FOR BUILDING HEIGHT.

SO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD OR POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER HAD A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE WITH STAFF TO DISCUSS DEVELOPING THIS SITE.

DURING THAT PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE M2 STANDARDS, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THEM TO DEVELOP A TWO TENANT BUILDING.

AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT M2 ACTUALLY HAS A MINIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENT OF 25FT.

THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THEY DO NOT INTEND ON HAVING A BUILDING THAT IS 25FT IN HEIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO.

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THEIR PROPOSAL IS FOR A STANDARD TILT BELT CONSTRUCTION FOR A FOR ANY TYPICAL STRIP CENTER TYPE BUILDING.

THOSE ARE TYPICALLY NOT 25FT. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY ABOUT 20FT IN HEIGHT.

SO SO THAT PROMPTED THE REZONE APPLICATION. HOWEVER, SOME OF THE OTHER DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE THE M2 STANDARD OR THE M2 ZONING DISTRICT AND THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL LIMITED DISTRICT ARE ALSO OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ACTUALLY THE COMMERCIAL LIMITED WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE FOR THE REQUIREMENT.

AND THEN THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION TYPE IS ADDITIONAL AS WELL.

IT INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF THE FLEXIBILITY WITH COMMERCIAL OR WITH COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE COMPLIANCE PARTS FAIRLY QUICKLY.

BUT THE AS FAR AS THE 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPLIANCE THERE'S NOTHING THERE WAS NO PROPOSAL FOR THIS SITE WITH THE 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. HOWEVER, REZONING IT WOULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE VIABILITY OF THIS PROPERTY.

BELTLINE ROAD IS DESIGNATED PER THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR AND COMMERCIAL DRIVE, WHICH IS TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IS DESIGNATED AS A RESIDENTIAL LOCAL THERE IS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY ON BOTH OF THESE STREETS FOR THIS ZONING DESIGNATION.

AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE PARKS, RECREATION, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, THERE WERE NO PARKS ENVISIONED FOR THIS PROPERTY, SO REZONING TO COMMERCIAL WOULD NOT HINDER ANYTHING.

AND IT THE THE BELTLINE ROAD ENHANCEMENTS WERE NOT COMPLETED FOR THIS SITE.

THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

WITH THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN. COMMERCIAL DRIVE IS NOT DESIGNATED IN THE MASTER PLAN.

HOWEVER, BELTLINE ROAD IS DESIGNATED AS A WIDE SIDEWALK WITH BUFFER, AND THE PROPOSED REZONING DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THOSE FACILITIES.

IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROPOSAL FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES, WHICH ARE FEE SIMPLE TOWNHOUSES AND COMMERCIAL USES.

THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL VACANT LOT TO THE EAST AS WELL.

AND IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT ZONING DISTRICTS, WHEREAS WE HAVE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ARE MOSTLY ALL COMMERCIAL IN NATURE AND MIXED USE SUBURBAN FOR THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.

AT THE TIME, A PUBLIC NOTICE FOR THIS PROJECT OR FOR THIS APPLICATION WE SENT OUT 20 NOTICES AND HAVE RECEIVED.

NO. NOTHING FROM ANY OF THOSE RECIPIENTS. AND THE ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL 7 TO 0.

AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH OUR POLICIES AND ADOPTED MASTER PLANS.

AND I HAVE I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I DO HAVE THE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU COREY. DO THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ARE THEY JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? JUST A COUPLE. I'VE GOT. PLEASE GO AHEAD. CHRIS, IS THAT CHRIS? YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. HEY, COREY, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

SO THIS IS JUST ZONING ONLY AND AS THIS, AS THESE PLANS GET DEVELOPED, WE'LL GET ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS.

CORRECT. SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO COMMERCIAL LIMITED, IT'S NOT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY DON'T THEY WOULD NOT BRING FORWARD PLANS FOR THE SITE TO CITY COUNCIL.

HOWEVER, STAFF WOULD GO THROUGH OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, CIVIL PLANS BUILDING PERMIT AND SO FORTH.

WELL, I HOPE WE GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION TO GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE BANK.

IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PARCEL ALSO COVERS WHAT SOME FOLKS MIGHT USE TO ENTER INTO THAT BANK PARKING LOT.

AND THEN JUST MY OTHER CONCERN IS I UNDERSTAND THIS CHANGE IN IN ZONING INCREASES THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT.

I HOPE WE FIND A WAY TO SAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE MATURE TREES.

AND THOSE ARE JUST MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CHRIS. RANDY. THANK YOU. SO YOU KIND OF PREEMPTED YOU SENT OUT 20 NOTIFICATIONS?

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YES. AND WERE THOSE TO THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE THERE OR WHAT WAS THE MIXTURE OF THOSE DID? AND YOU GOT. NO. DID YOU GET ANY RESPONSES BACK? YOU JUST SAID SO. NO. OKAY. NO RESPONSES BACK AND EVERYTHING ON THIS SLIDE, ACTUALLY.

EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT BLUE CIRCLE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE NOTIFICATION BOUNDARY.

SO EVERYTHING, ANY PROPERTY THAT TOUCHES THAT NOTIFICATION BOUNDARY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED A NOTICE.

OKAY. I WAS OVER THERE LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES AND THERE WAS A FEW PEOPLE OUT, SO I WAS VISITING.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE DIDN'T CONTACT THEM.

IT'S SOMETIMES WE DON'T PAY. HOW DID WE CONTACT THEM? WAS IT A MAILER OR. OKAY. YEAH. WE SEND A LETTER WITH THE INFORMATION ON WHAT? THE PROPOSAL? NO. YES. WHAT? THE PROPOSAL IS AND THEN THE MAP AS WELL, SO THAT THEY KNOW WHERE IT'S LOCATED VERSUS WHERE THEIR PROPERTY IS.

WELL, BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE VERY UNIQUELY SHAPED AND SIZED.

I AM SO PLEASED THAT SOMEBODY IS WANTING TO DO SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT ANYONE COULD DO THAT.

SO I'M I'M PLEASED ABOUT THAT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT.

AND I'M I'M WITH CHRIS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S THERE.

WHAT KIND OF YOU IS THERE A TIMELINE. DO THEY HAVE A TIMELINE FOR STARTING CONSTRUCTION? IF THEY GET THIS APPROVAL, DO THEY HAVE PLANS IN THE WORKS? NOW, I WILL LET THE REPRESENTATIVE ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT A POTENTIAL TIMELINE.

LIKE I DID MENTION, WE HAVE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE WITH THEM, AND A FULL SUBMITTAL IS PENDING ON THE PROPERTY BEING REZONED. SO IF THEY DON'T, IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT REZONED, THEN THEY WILL POTENTIALLY MOVE ON FROM THEIR PROPOSAL.

BUT IF IT IS REZONED THEY WERE, WERE DISCUSSING WITH US, WITH US WHAT TO DO TO SUBMIT THE PROJECT.

WHAT TYPE OF WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO PUT IN UNDER THIS ZONING.

AND SO ALL OF OUR TYPICAL COMMERCIAL AND THEN OFFICE.

SO PERSONAL SERVICES OFFICES, GENERAL TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF PERSONAL SERVICES A BEAUTY SHOP A SALON GENERAL RETAIL, LIKE ANY KIND OF MEDICAL USAGE OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT NATURE THAT MIGHT SURPRISE US WITH SOMETHING GOING IN THERE.

I DON'T THINK SO. A SPA WOULD BE ALLOWED IN PERSONAL SERVICES.

BUT NOT LIKE A DOCTOR'S OFFICE. SO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE WOULD BE A MEDICAL.

HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

THOSE WOULD BE ALL THINGS I WOULD BE INTERESTED AS TO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING IN TO THAT SPACE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL REAL CLOSE RIGHT THERE AND THE LIKE I SAID, THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE.

THE ELEVATION IS IS UNIQUE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ELEVATION IS FROM STREET LEVEL TO THE TOP OF THAT LAND, NOT THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THE REPRESENTATIVE MAY KNOW THAT I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE THERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER BETTER THAN YOU ARE, BUT NO PROBLEM. THE SHORTER THE BUILDING I THINK WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO BE BLOCKED BY A 2 OR 3 STORY BUILDING THERE.

SO WHAT TYPE? I'LL JUST RUN DOWN MY QUESTIONS.

YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU ANSWER REAL QUICK, AND THEN WHAT TYPE OF ROOF WILL BE ON THESE? WOULD THAT BE UP TO THEM? YES. PERFECT. AND PARKING DURING THE CONSTRUCTION I THINK CHRIS KIND OF ALLUDED TO THAT.

IT'S A VERY TIGHT SPACE IN THERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OPEN AREA AROUND IT.

WHERE WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO PARK THEIR BIG CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, WORKERS WORKING THERE? DURING THIS PROCESS? I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I CAN LOOK INTO IT THOUGH. THERE'S JUST NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE FOR FOR THINGS TO BE PUT THERE.

AND RESIDENT NOTIFICATION YOU GOT. SO I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT ON ON THAT.

SO LORI, BEFORE YOU GO, IF I CAN JUMP IN AND ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD THEN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR COREY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS TYPES YOU MENTIONED, MEDICAL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO IS IT SAFE? CAN I ASK THE QUESTIONS? MAYBE IT'S FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A LIQUOR STORE, A POTENTIAL SMOKE SHOP, VAPE SHOP? ANYTHING IN THOSE CONSIDERATIONS THAT MIGHT BE SENSITIVE TO THOSE RESIDENTS AND THOSE TOWNHOMES LIQUOR STORE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THIS LOCATION BECAUSE OF TOWN CHARTER.

BUT A VAPE SHOP OR SMOKE SHOP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE WOULD FALL UNDER OUR JUST REGULAR RETAIL.

SO IT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THIS LOCATION. OKAY.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO WANT SOME MORE DETAILS BASED ON THAT, MAYBE FROM THE APPLICANT'S CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN TO ME WITH

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REGARDS TO THE RESIDENTS BEING SO CLOSE. MARLA.

THANK YOU. MAYOR COREY, ON THIS THIS STREET THAT'S CUTTING OFF OF COMMERCIAL DRIVE AND GOING INTO CURRENTLY FROST BANK PARKING LOT. DOES THE CURRENT ZONING OR THE PROPOSED ZONING ALLOW FOR THAT TO BE REMOVED? IF THERE IS AN ACCESS EASEMENT OVER IT FROM FROST BANK.

THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TO REMOVE THE ACCESS THROUGH PLATTING IF THEY CHOSE TO.

HOWEVER, IF FROST BANK HAS THAT BECAUSE THEY NEEDED IT FOR ACCESS BECAUSE OF THEIR BUILDING PROPOSAL THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VACATE THAT ACCESS. WHEN YOU SAY IF IF FROST BANK HAS THAT, THAT MEANS YOU DON'T KNOW.

I DO NOT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS AN ACTUAL PLATTED EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS THAT CROSS ACCESS.

OKAY. AND IS THAT THE ANSWER YOU JUST GAVE? WOULD THAT BE FOR THE CURRENT ZONING? AND ALSO THE SAME ANSWER FOR FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING? YES. AND THE EASEMENT GOES WITH THE PLAT OF THE PROPERTY, NOT NECESSARILY THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

OKAY. SO ZONING DOESN'T IT'S MORE OF A PLAT ISSUE THAN ANY TYPE OF ZONING ISSUE.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO ON THE NOTICE IT DOES IT MAY NOT INCLUDE THE HOA OF THE ASBURY DEVELOPMENT THERE.

DO YOU KNOW IF THE HOA WAS NOTIFIED, THE ORGANIZATION STAFF DID NOT NOTIFY THEM DIRECTLY.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASSUME THAT A DEVELOPMENT THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY POSITIVE OVERALL TO THAT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF STREET NOISE AND EXTRA BUFFER FROM RESIDENTIAL. SO ABOUT THE STREET THROUGH THERE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

THAT LITTLE CUT THROUGH FOR FROST AT MARTIN WAS REFERRING TO.

IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO AWAY. AND ALSO THE WAS IT THE NORTHWEST ANGLE BOUNDARY THERE? LOOKS LIKE IT INCLUDES ANOTHER THE OTHER ROAD AS WELL.

DO YOU KNOW IF THAT ROAD IS GOING AWAY OR IS THAT SO? SO I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT TO THE PROPOSAL THAT WE SAW IN THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE? IT DOES ACTUALLY KEEP ALL OF THE CURRENT ROADS AND OR DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE THERE EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE AND TRIES TO UTILIZE THE THE ACTUAL LAND THAT IS AVAILABLE OUTSIDE OF THE DRIVEWAYS, EVEN THE ONE THAT SPLITS IT IN HALF.

YES. OH MY GOODNESS. RIGHT FROM THE THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE.

IT'S IT'S ONLY A TWO TENANT BUILDING SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LARGE BUILDING.

IT WAS IT WAS A SMALLER ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. AND COREY, CAN YOU SHARE WITH US IF THAT IS THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WOULD THAT JUST BE ON ONE OF THE PLOTS OF LAND? OKAY. SO THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE SAW. HOWEVER THE APPROVING THE ZONING DOES NOT NECESSARILY PRECLUDE THEM FROM PROPOSING SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THAT IS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE SAW. AND AND SO HELP ME WHY WHY WERE THE RESIDENTS IN THE, IN THIS AREA AT ASBURY CIRCLE CONDOMINIUM? WHY WHY WERE THEY NOT NOTIFIED? THEY WERE. YEAH. SO EVERYONE WITHIN THAT BLUE CIRCLE ON THIS MAP AROUND THE PROPERTY.

SO THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS IN BLUE, AND THEN THERE'S A LARGER CIRCLE.

SO ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN OR TOUCH THAT, THAT CIRCLE THEY WERE NOTIFIED DIRECTLY WITH THAT MAILER.

THANK YOU. SO, OF COURSE, PROBABLY A GOOD TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME AND ANSWER WHAT THE QUESTIONS WERE REMAINING.

AND IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ALEX NUNEZ 1434 TASCOSA COURT, ALLEN, TEXAS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM? OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION? HAVE YOU GOT A PLAN? A TIMELINE TO START. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH REZONING RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY.

AND WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON PRODUCING THE CIVIL PLANS AND ARCHITECTURE PLANS TO GET PRICING NAILED DOWN.

AND ONCE THAT WE GET THAT NAILED DOWN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WE WILL BEGIN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

I'M ALWAYS HESITANT TO CHANGE OUR ZONING IF WE IF THERE'S NOT PLANS TO GO FORWARD, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING.

AND THEN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S STILL SITTING THERE WITH THE ZONING.

SO I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE PLANS GOING FORWARD.

LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME IN THERE AND BUILD UP. DO YOU KNOW THE ELEVATION FROM THE STREET UP? I THINK IT'S 3 OR 4FT. MAYBE AN ELEVATION. THE OTHER EMPTY LOT THERE WAS WAS A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

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SO THAT'S I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY CORRECT. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE FOR PARKING. AND WHAT TYPE OF IF YOU DON'T HAVE PLANS.

YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT A ROOF OF THIS BUILDING.

WHAT I DON'T WANT OUR RESIDENTS IN THESE TOWNHOMES LOOKING DOWN ON AIR CONDITIONERS AND, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL TYPE ROOF. I WOULD CERTAINLY PREFER MORE OF A A TRADITIONAL ROOF FOR THEIR ESTHETICS IF THEY'RE LOOKING DOWN ON THESE THINGS.

YES. WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOF NAILED DOWN JUST YET AS WE'RE STARTING TO GET INTO THE DESIGN PHASE.

BUT IT WILL MEET ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND HOW ABOUT THE PARKING QUESTION THAT I ASKED FOR ALL YOUR CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND ALL? HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THAT AND TRIED TO GET CONTINGENCY PLANS WITH THAT OR ANYTHING? I THINK THE BOTTOM OF THE JALAPENO WILL BE UTILIZED FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION PARKING.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THERE. THE STRUCTURE, THE 3500 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE IS GOING TO GO ON THAT TOP PORTION. SO 3500FT² IS KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO HOW MUCH OF A SETBACK THEN OFF OF THAT SIDEWALK WOULD YOU HAVE FOR THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO THERE'S I BELIEVE THERE'S A 30 FOOT POWER EASEMENT.

AND THEN THERE'S THERE'S EASEMENTS ALL OVER LITTERED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY.

THERE'S SANITARY SEWER EASEMENTS. SO WE HAVE A VERY CONSTRAINED AREA WHERE WE CAN BUILD THE BUILDING.

SO IT'S PROBABLY 30 TO 40FT OFF OF THE BELT LINE.

AND I KNOW Y'ALL, Y'ALL NEVER TRY TO DO A DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT HAVING CERTAIN BUSINESS TYPES IN MIND, OR HAVING TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THAT AREA.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GOING IN THERE? WHAT ARE YOU ENVISIONING? WHAT TYPE OF SHOPS? I'M NOT INTERESTED IN A HOOKAH SHOP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT. SO I WORK FOR BOX INVESTMENT GROUP.

WE'RE THE DEVELOPER. WE ARE PURCHASING THE LAND.

WE WILL HAVE OUR HEADQUARTERS THERE IN HALF OF THE THE SPACE.

OKAY. SO WE WILL BE VERY INTERESTED IN WHO'S OCCUPYING THE OTHER HALF OF THE SPACE.

OKAY. WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THAT WILL BE.

YOU'RE BUILDING IT FOR YOURSELF, CORRECT? OKAY.

THAT THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THE SITUATION, THEN.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. MAYOR. THANK YOU, RANDY AND DARREN, THANK YOU FOR DEVELOPING AN ADDISON AND FOR MOVING OFFICES.

ADDISON. SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ALEX APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. AND AND THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE THE FRONTAGE OF IT IS THE FRONTAGE ON COMMERCIAL OR ON BELTLINE.

IT'S ON COMMERCIAL RIGHT. THE FRONTAGE THE BUILDING WILL BE FRONTING BELTLINE BUT THE ACCESS WILL BE OFF OF COMMERCIAL.

OKAY. GOTCHA. OKAY. GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST A QUICK ONE FROM HERE FROM LUBBOCK. SURE.

ALEX, WHERE ARE YOU CURRENTLY? WHERE IS YOUR QUARTER? YOUR HEADQUARTERS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN ALLEN.

NO, OUR HEADQUARTERS IS LOCATED IN DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND BELTLINE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER IN THE PRESTONWOOD TOWER BEHIND THE VELVET TACO.

YEP I KNOW, I KNOW THE AREA. TALKING ABOUT. SO AGAIN WELCOME TO ADDISON.

CERTAINLY THE SAME THING SAME SAME STRESSES AS THRILLED YOU'RE MOVING YOUR HEADQUARTERS INTO ADDISON.

THAT'S THAT'S PUTS MY MIND AT A LOT OF EASE RIGHT NOW.

AND IN TERMS OF THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF, I HAVE NO OTHER ISSUES WITH IT.

IF YOU CAN TRY AND SAVE SOME OF THE TREES LIKE WE'VE ASKED BEFORE, WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO WORK AND TRY AND WORK WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT ON DOING SO.

SO THANK YOU. YES, SIR. VERY GOOD. SMART MOVE GOING FROM DALLAS TO ADDISON.

THANK YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, WE'LL SAY THANK YOU, AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. THANK YOU. DAN, WAS THAT MARTIN FOR THE SECOND ANY.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM IS APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO FIVE B, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.

[b. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to rezone ±15.5 acres generally located at the southeast corner of Addison Road and Festival Way and the northeast and northwest corner of Quorum Drive and Arapaho Road, from Commercial General (CG) and Planned Development (PD), Ordinance Nos. O24-022, O24-023, O24-024, and O23-011, to a new Planned Development (PD) zoning district, to allow for a transit-oriented mixed-use development comprised of office, parking, hotel, restaurant, retail, and entertainment uses, and associated public and private open space and common areas. Case 1947-Z/Addison Junction (TOD).]

PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE 15.5 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ADDISON ROAD AND FESTIVAL WAY AND THE NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST CORNER OF QUORUM DRIVE AND ARAPAHOE ROAD FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL CG AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD ORDINANCE NUMBERS 024, 022 AND 024023 AND 024024 AND 023011 TO A NEW PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PD ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR A TRANSIT ORIENTED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF OFFICE, PARKING, HOTEL, RESTAURANT, RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES, AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC AND PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND COMMON AREAS.

CASE 1940 7-Z. ADDISON JUNCTION. TODD. LESLIE.

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GOOD EVENING. LESLIE, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. THIS REQUEST THIS EVENING IS A REZONE OF A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL PARCELS, GENERALLY LOCATED ADJACENT TO AND SURROUNDING THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, AS WELL AS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, BISECTED BY SPECTRUM ROAD. SPECTRUM DRIVE. EXCUSE ME.

THIS REQUEST TONIGHT WOULD, AS I MENTIONED, REZONE THE ENTIRE ALL THESE PARCELS.

AND WE ARE ASKING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS ACTION.

THERE IS A QUITE SUBSTANTIAL HISTORY ON THESE PARCELS MUCH OF IT IN, IN RECENT HISTORY.

BUT OBVIOUSLY BACK IN THE 90S, THE TOWN BEGAN ACQUIRING SEVERAL OF THESE PARCELS, MANY OF THEM TOWN OWNED.

APPROXIMATELY 13 OF THE 15.5 ACRES IS TOWN OWNED, SITUATED ADJACENT TO ADDISON CIRCLE AS WELL AS AT THE CORNER OF QUORUM AND ARAPAHOE. EXCUSE ME. WE'VE OWNED THEM FOR FOR MANY YEARS WITH THE INTENT OF FUTURE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

IN 2018, THE TOWN ADOPTED THE ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIAL AREA STUDY, WHICH WAS A STUDY TO EVALUATE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PARCELS OR THE COMBINATION OF THESE PARCELS INTO A TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING THE SILVER LINE STATION.

THE FUTURE. AT THE TIME THE TOWN ENGAGED A ADVISORY FIRM, CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD, TO ISSUE AN RFP FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. AT THE TIME OR AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT RFP, THE TOWN ENTERED INTO AN MOU WITH A CO-DEVELOPMENT TEAM WHICH INCLUDED AMLI RESIDENTIAL AND STREAM REALTY PARTNERS. FAST FORWARD AFTER THROUGH ENGAGEMENT WITH THAT CO DEVELOPER TEAM, THERE WERE ZONING ENTITLEMENTS APPROVED FOR THAT PROJECT.

THERE WAS SOME FUTURE EVOLUTION OF THAT PROJECT, INCLUDING THE REPLACEMENT OF STREAM WITH KIP, WHICH IS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS ON THIS REQUEST TONIGHT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TOWN.

ONCE AGAIN, MOVING FORWARD, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THE RESTRICTED USE COVENANT, WHICH I BELIEVE MANY OF YOU ARE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH AND HOW THAT CAUSED THE PLAN TO FURTHER EVOLVE. FOLLOWING THAT, WHICH WAS LAST YEAR, THE TOWN ENTERED INTO AN MOU WITH KIP AS THE DEVELOPER IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN ON APRIL 22ND OF 2025.

ULTIMATELY, THAT RESULTED IN A APPROVAL OF A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON SEPTEMBER 9TH OF LAST YEAR FOR ADDISON JUNCTION.

SO THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO SEEK ENTITLEMENTS FOR WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THAT MDA.

LAST YEAR. SO MANY OF THESE DEPICTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT ARE THE SAME OR EXTREMELY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW AT THE LAST TIME YOU CONSIDERED AN ITEM ON THIS PROJECT IN SEPTEMBER 9TH WHICH INCLUDES A VARIETY OF COMPONENTS, INCLUDING A HOTEL, PARKING GARAGE, OFFICE, EXCUSE ME, TWO PARKING GARAGES, OFFICE ENTERTAINMENT, AS WELL AS RETAIL SPACE. SO THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES, WE'LL BE WALKING THROUGH THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT IN GREATER DETAIL. AND WE'LL ALSO SEE SOME CONCEPTUAL IMAGERY AS WELL.

SO STARTING OFF AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROJECT ADJACENT TO ADDISON ROAD AND FESTIVAL WAY.

WE HAVE THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND PARKING GARAGE.

THE HOTEL WOULD INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 150 KEYS OR ROOMS. IT WOULD BE AN UPSCALE LIFESTYLE BRAND. WOULD INCLUDE SEVEN STORIES WITH A VARIETY OF GUEST AMENITIES AND MEETING SPACE AS WELL.

IT WOULD BE SERVED BY A FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE WITH APPROXIMATELY 631 PARKING SPACES.

AND THERE IS ALSO CONTEMPLATED THE RETAIL SITE IN FRONT OF FESTIVAL WAY, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 5600FT².

EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THIS PLAN IN THE IN THE FOLLOWING IMAGES IN DARK GRAY REPRESENTS A FIRE LANE AND OR DRIVE AISLE ACCESS.

SO SOME OF THESE AREAS MAY SERVE AS FIRE LANE, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY SERVE AS PASSENGER VEHICLE ACCESS.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT. MOVING ON TO THE CENTER PORTION, SOUTH OF FESTIVAL WAY, WE HAVE THE ENTERTAINMENT COMPONENT IN THE CENTER AS WELL AS A SURFACE PARKING AREA.

THIS ENVISIONS TO BE A 1 TO 2 STORY ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY.

APPROXIMATELY 14,000FT². THERE COULD ALSO BE SOME OUTDOOR PROGRAM ENTERTAINMENT SPACE.

THERE IS ALSO PROPOSED TO BE 98 SURFACE PARKING SPACES ADJACENT TO WHICH COULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND TO ADJUST TO MARKET DEMANDS. MOVING TO THE HARD CORNER OF FESTIVAL WAY AND QUORUM DRIVE.

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WE HAVE THE FARMERS MARKET, AND THIS WOULD BE THREE ONE STORY RETAIL BUILDINGS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 11,000FT² THAT WOULD BE FOCUSED IN ON A CENTRALIZED OUTDOOR OR COURTYARD SPACE. AND THEN MOVING SOUTH AT QUORUM AND ARAPAHOE, WE HAVE THE HANGAR BUILDING, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 12,000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY RETAIL RESTAURANT SPACE ANTICIPATED TO ALSO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 29 SURFACE PARKING SPACES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT WOULD SERVE THIS BUILDING.

AND THEN MOVING EAST ACROSS QUORUM, WE'RE AT THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF QUORUM AND ARAPAHOE.

WE HAVE THE PARKING GARAGE AS WELL AS THE OFFICE BUILDING, A SIX STORY OFFICE BUILDING, APPROXIMATELY 155,000FT² OF GROSS LEASABLE FLOOR AREA. IT WOULD BE A MASS TIMBER CONSTRUCTION, AND THE PARKING WOULD BE SERVED BY THE SIX LEVEL PARKING GARAGE.

APPROXIMATELY 560 SPACES. AND THERE WOULD BE THE USE OF LIVING SCREEN ON THE PARKING STRUCTURE AS WELL.

IT'S DEPICTED ON SOME IN SOME OF THE CONCEPTUAL IMAGERY.

THERE WOULD ALSO BE A RETAIL COMPONENT AS WELL.

AT THE HARD CORNER. SO MOVING ON INTO THE ZONING STANDARDS.

SO WITH THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE AS BEING REQUESTED, THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCLUDES THE APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN, AS WELL AS PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THIS FOR THIS PROPERTY.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO OR IN COORDINATION WITH THE THE QIP, THE TOWN AND QIP ARE REQUESTING AM4 ZONING DISTRICT TO WHICH IS THE FORMER ADDISON CIRCLE ZONING DISTRICT OR THE THE EVOLUTION OF THE ADDISON ZONING DISTRICT, IF YOU WILL. THERE ARE SOME SOME STANDARDS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DEVIATE FROM AND SOME THAT ARE SLIGHTLY MORE RESTRICTIVE. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE IN GREATER DETAIL.

SO I MENTIONED THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE MECHANICAL PLACEMENT AS WELL AS SCREENING AND THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING.

BOTH OF THOSE ARE ASKED TO BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER AS TO NOT TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND TO NOT DISTURB THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT, ESPECIALLY THE OUTDOOR SPACE. A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS FOCUS ON OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACES, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS NEXT TO PATIO SPACES AND SO FORTH.

IT'S REALLY THE INTENT BEHIND IT OR BEING DISTURBED BY LOUD MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.

THE NEXT ITEM THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING RELIEF FROM IS THE BUILD TWO RANGE.

SO IN THE M4 ZONING DISTRICT, IT REQUIRES BUILDINGS TO BE LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TO CREATE A MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS QUITE UNIQUE IS THAT IT IS HAS MULTIPLE FRONTAGES.

AND YOU INCLUDE FESTIVAL WAY, ADDISON ROAD, QUORUM, SPECTRUM, ARAPAHOE, ETC.

WE HAVE A LOT OF VARYING POINTS OF ACCESS AND ENTRY TO THIS SITE.

AND SO WHILE THEY ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THIS.

IT STILL MEETS THE INTENT BECAUSE SOME BUILDINGS ARE SITUATED MORE MORE CENTRALLY FOCUSED TO THE COTTON BELT TRAIL, SOME ARE MORE CENTRALLY FOCUSED TO FESTIVAL WAY AND ACROSS THE PARK OR INTO THE ENTERTAINMENT AREAS.

SO FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, IT STILL MEETS THE INTENT TO CREATE THE URBAN PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT.

WE JUST HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS IN.

AND THEN THE OTHER ITEMS CIRCLING BACK TO ARE THE PERMITTED USES.

SO ALL USES WITHIN THE M4 WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

EXCEPT THEY'RE ALSO INCLUDING FOR ADDITIONAL USES.

THAT INCLUDES AN OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITIES WHICH COULD ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING LIKE A PICKLEBALL COURT.

THERE ALSO INCLUDE REQUESTS TO INCLUDE A BREWPUB, DISTILLERY OR WINERY, ONLY ALLOWED BY APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SO THAT WOULD STILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENT, AS WELL AS ALLOWING A FULL SERVICE HOTEL TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM WOULD BE AN ENTERTAINMENT SLASH EVENT VENUE, INDOOR OR OUTDOOR.

THERE IS A DEFINITION PROPOSED FOR THAT WHICH HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, WHICH IS GENERALLY A COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT OR EVENT USE CONDUCTED INDOOR OR OUTDOORS, OR A COMBINATION OF THAT'S INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE PUBLIC FOR CULTURAL, RECREATIONAL, ARTISTIC, ATHLETIC OR OTHER SOCIAL EVENTS.

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IS THAT A ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AN ARENA OR A SOME KIND OF.

INDOOR CONCERT VENUE OR AN ARENA OR THAT COULD BE SOMETHING? I DON'T REMEMBER EVER TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS WHAT I'M. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MORE SIMILAR TO. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH LIKE THE RUSTIC? SOMEWHAT.

YEAH. SO IT HAS IT'S A RESTAURANT, BUT IT ALSO HAS A, A SMALL STAGE AND A SMALL VIEWING AREA.

I'LL LET A REPRESENTATIVE FROM KIPP IS HERE, AND HE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROPOSED USERS, BUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY TO ACCOMMODATE MAYBE BETWEEN 200 TO 250 PEOPLE FOR LIVE MUSIC.

YEAH. IT'S NOT A TEN 000 SEAT ARENA THAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE.

SO WHAT THAT WOULD WHAT THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE IS THIS 14,000 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE.

AND THAT WOULD BE RESTAURANT AS WELL. SO BY THE TIME YOU TAKE AWAY ON AWAY THE SERVICE AND STUFF, YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT PROBABLY 8 TO 9000FT² OF USABLE AREA.

WE'RE TALKING HUNDREDS, NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YEAH. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. NO, IT WOULD BE.

IT WOULD? YEAH. DEFINITELY INTENDED TO BE MORE LIVE MUSIC FOCUSED SMALL SCALE.

SO LOOKING AT THE CONCEPTUAL IMAGERY, THIS IS THE KIND OF REVIEWING SOME OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER OF THE TOD.

WE HAVE VARIOUS CONCEPTUAL IMAGES OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING THE HOTEL AND PARKING STRUCTURE.

THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING SOUTH FROM FESTIVAL WAY IN THE FOREGROUND.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED ENTERTAINMENT NODE IN THE CENTER, WHERE THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY SOME SORT OF LIVE MUSIC KIND OF IN THAT NOOK AREA IN THE BACK THERE. THERE IS ALSO THE OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY THAT'S CONTEMPLATED.

HERE IS SOME IMAGERY OF THE FARMERS MARKET AT QUORUM AND FESTIVAL WAY AND THE RETAIL NEXT TO THE OFFICE SPACE. THIS IS THE HANGAR FACILITY. AND THIS IS THE MASS TIMBER OFFICE BUILDING AS WELL AS ADJACENT PARKING GARAGE.

THERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE TWO TOGETHER. SO TALKING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND HOW THIS PROJECT MEETS THEM.

SO THE PARKING FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, WE DID A PARKING EVALUATION TO DETERMINE IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING.

IT DOES SLIGHTLY EXCEED ACTUALLY. SO THE THE TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING BASED UPON THE PROPOSED USES WOULD BE 1180 SPACES.

AND WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO PROVIDE IS 1377.

JUST AS A NOTE THIS DOES IS STILL WITHIN THE MAXIMUM PARKING MAXIMUM WHICH WE HAVE ESTABLISHED, WHICH IS 125%. THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT 117%. BUT JUST TO NOTE, THIS DOES INCLUDE THE SURFACE PARKING, WHICH HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED TO POTENTIALLY BE REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT WOULD HYPOTHETICALLY TAKE APPROXIMATELY 98 SPACES OFFLINE IF THAT ENTIRE AREA WOULD BE REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.

THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO PROVIDE BICYCLE PARKING FOR WHICH WOULD INCLUDE 48 SPACES ON AND AROUND THE PROJECT.

SO ONCE AGAIN THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED FOR THAT ONE, 125% WOULD BE 1475 SPACES, WHICH THEY ARE WHICH THEY HAVE NOT MET YET. FOR THE STREETSCAPE DESIGN.

THERE IS STILL MORE WORK TO BE DONE ON THIS. HOWEVER, THE NEW PLAN WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED DOES NOT INCLUDE A SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATION TO THE STREETSCAPE. SO MANY OF THE TREES THAT ARE THERE TODAY WILL BE ABLE TO BE PRESERVED.

THERE WILL NEED TO BE SOME MINOR CHANGES TO ALLOW NEW VEHICULAR ACCESS POINTS THROUGHOUT THAT STREETSCAPE.

THE NEXT STEP OF THIS PROJECT WOULD BE TO COME BACK THROUGH WITH A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE APPROVED PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AS WELL AS THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

SO NOW, GOING THROUGH OUR LONG RANGE AND DEVELOPMENT POLICIES, WE'LL QUICKLY REVIEW THE 2013 COMP PLAN, THE ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIAL SPECIAL AREA STUDY, AND OUR MASTER PLANS.

SO THE ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIAL STUDY AREA, THIS PLAN GENERALLY ALIGNS WITH OPTION THREE OUTLINED WITHIN THAT PLAN WHICH REALLY FOCUSES ON

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LINING THIS AS A MAJOR DESTINATION WITHIN ADDISON, AS WELL AS ENHANCING THE LIVE WORK PLAY COMPONENT AND STRENGTHENING THE TOWN'S TAX BASE. COMMON THEMES BOTH WITHIN THIS PLAN AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR OTHER PLANS INCLUDE IDENTIFYING VIBRANT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, OFFERING A BOUTIQUE HOTEL OR HIGH QUALITY HOTEL OPTIONS, AS WELL AS QUALITY PUBLIC SPACES.

REALLY FOCUSING ON HUMAN SCALE DESIGN AS WELL AS ECONOMIC VITALITY.

SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT MITIGATIONS TO BE CONSCIOUS OF INCLUDE TRAFFIC.

SO WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THERE ARE NO PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORK.

AND THE TOWN DID NOT ASK THAT THE DEVELOPER SUBMIT A NEW TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BECAUSE WE HAD ONE DONE WITH THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT.

APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AGO WOULD HAVE BEEN IN 2024.

AND AT THAT TIME, THE TRAFFIC GENERATION WAS ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT THIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE.

AND THAT PROPOSAL DID NOT PROPOSE ANY NEEDED CHANGES TO THE ROADWAY NETWORK.

STAFF DID NOT FEEL LIKE IT. MET THE THRESHOLD TO REQUIRE A NEW TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO BE DONE.

IN LIEU OF THAT, STAFF UTILIZED OUR KNOWLEDGE FROM THE PREVIOUS TIA, AS WELL AS OUR OWN TRAFFIC DATA AND STUDIES TO SUPPORT CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROPOSAL. REGARDING IMPACTS TO THE ADDISON AIRPORT.

SO THIS PROJECT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PART 77 STUDY TO THE FAA TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WITH ALL STANDARDS.

AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE PART OF THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOUR, THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO THEREFORE THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS WHICH NEED TO BE APPLIED TO THIS SPECIFIC PROPOSAL.

WHEN EVALUATING EXISTING UTILITIES AND PUBLIC SERVICES, WE ARE STILL WITHIN A FEASIBILITY STAGE.

WE'RE STILL PRETTY EARLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

HOWEVER THE TOWN HAS BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO JUST DETERMINE THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO CONNECT TO THE TOWN'S EXISTING UTILITY NETWORK AND BE ABLE TO MITIGATE ANY ADDITIONAL SURFACE RUNOFF FOR DRAINAGE IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.

IF APPROVED, WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DETAILED CIVIL ENGINEERING PERMIT PROCESS.

ADDITIONALLY STAFF BELIEVES ARE SUFFICIENT EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THEY ARE HIGHLY ACCESSIBLE AND CLOSE BY.

IN THIS PROPERTY'S CASE, AS WELL AS STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE INCREASED ACTIVITY AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY WILL DECREASE ADDITIONAL LOITERING THAT CURRENTLY AND OCCASIONALLY ATTENDS AT THIS PROPERTY.

SO THE NEXT STEPS, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED THIS EVENING OR IN THE FUTURE IT THIS DOES CONSTITUTE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AND WHICH INCLUDES THE CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL AS PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

SO IF APPROVED, IT WOULD HAVE. THE TOWNSHIP WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH A FULL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS, INCLUDING THE CREATION OF SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UTILITY PLANS, PHOTOMETRIC PLANS AND SO FORTH.

AND WE'D HAVE TO BRING THOSE BACK THROUGH A CONSIDERATION PROCESS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, FOLLOWED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.

STAFF PROVIDED NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200FT OF THE SITE THAT INCLUDED 34 RECIPIENTS, AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES TO THAT NOTICE.

AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THIS ITEM UNANIMOUSLY, 7 TO 0, AT THEIR LAST MEETING IN JANUARY.

STAFF, AS I'VE MENTIONED MANY TIMES, HAS REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL.

AND WE DID DO DETERMINE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE INTENT OF THE TOWN'S DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN POLICIES AS WELL AS APPLICABLE MASTER PLANS. IF EXCUSE ME, I SHOULD SAY IF CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE TWO CONDITIONS LISTED, WHICH INCLUDES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT.

DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE EXECUTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN, PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND ANY APPLICABLE DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS. AND AS WELL AS THAT, THE FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN APPROVAL SHALL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF ANY PERMITS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SITE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. AND KIP IS ALSO PRESENT.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL APPLICATION OR EXCUSE ME PRESENTATION BUT IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU LESLIE. AND COULD COULD YOU GIVE US JUST JUST SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE NEXT STEPS.

SO IT'S HERE WITH US TONIGHT AND IT'S GOING TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN COMING BACK.

IT WOULD. YES. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN TO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

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SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AT A LATER TIME FOR A FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE A DATE FOR THAT YET, BECAUSE IN BETWEEN, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT THE TOWN STAFF AND SHIP WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND DEVELOP A FULL SET OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AGAIN FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL.

OKAY. BECAUSE I WASN'T QUITE CLEAR, BECAUSE THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF NEXT STEPS SAYS THAT THAT WOULD GO.

IT WOULD GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY 2026.

RIGHT. THAT'S THIS, THAT'S THIS. CORRECT. SO, SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT REALLY THE NEXT STEP.

THAT'S THIS STEP. SO THAT'S WHAT GOT ME A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED THERE.

GOTCHA. YEAH. SO THE THAT IS THIS TODAY. YES.

AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THE SECOND BULLET POINT, WHICH IS WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, IF YOU WILL, AND TAKE A DEEPER DIVE. THIS IS PRELIMINARY HIGH LEVEL.

AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE IF THE INITIAL ENTITLEMENTS GET APPROVED.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I THINK I WAS A LITTLE SLOW ON THE UPTAKE THERE. NO, I SHOULD HAVE MADE IT MORE CLEAR. QUESTION.

DARREN, YOU GO TO SLIDE THREE, AND THIS MAY BE THE SAME QUESTION THAT BRUCE JUST ASKED. NO.

YOUR 30, I GUESS IT'S 34. IT'S WRAPPED AROUND.

SO SLIDE 34. SORRY YOU'RE BACK ON IT. OH, GOODNESS.

OH, SORRY, I THINK I CLICKED A LITTLE TOO FAST.

SLOW DOWN RAMROD. SO THERE'S WRAPPING THIS 20 SOMETHING.

IT'S 20 SOMETHING. NO YOU'RE RIGHT. KEEP GOING. 30 OR THAT ONE.

YEAH. SO THE SECOND LINE IN THERE, IF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE IF CITY COUNCIL.

YES, THAT WAS A CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDS IF WE APPROVE IT TONIGHT, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE NEXT PROCESSES ON THE NEXT BULLETS.

OKAY. GOT IT. THAT'S CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU.

HAVE HAVE WE HAVE WE SATISFIED ALL OF THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND ALL THE RESTRICTIONS ON THIS LAND TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY AT THIS TIME.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE SURPRISES ON THIS. THIS PLAN COMPLIES WITH.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT AND IS THIS STILL A CONCEPTUAL WHERE THESE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE OR IS THERE STILL SOME ROOM THAT IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO? MY CONCERN IS IF HE WANTS TO TO MOVE A COUPLE AROUND.

AND THE QUESTION I WHAT BRINGS IT UP IS THE ENTIRE PLOT OF LAND IN THE NOISE CORRIDOR FOR THE AIRPORT, OR JUST WHERE THE HOTEL IS? IT'S GENERALLY JUST WHERE THE HOTEL IS.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY UPSCALE HOTEL, AND WITH JETS FLYING OVER THIS, IF THE DEVELOPER WERE TO DECIDE THAT HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS, THAT THIS MAY NOT BE THE BEST PLACE FOR THE HOTEL AND SWITCH THE OFFICE, OR HAS HE GOT THAT FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT, OR ARE WE ARE WE APPROVING? THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. SO AT THIS MOMENT, YES, IT WOULD BE APPROVED AS THE WAY IT IS.

NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE APPLICANT COULD NOT COME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT, RIGHT.

OR WITH THE SECOND STEP, THEY COULD ALSO, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FINAL PLANS, REQUEST A MODIFICATION.

ONCE AGAIN, BOTH OF THOSE WOULD HAVE TO THAT WOULD REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL IS WHAT THIS ENTITLEMENT TONIGHT DOES IS IT GENERALLY LOCKS THE APPLICANT INTO THIS TYPE OF THIS WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN, THE TYPE OF USE AND THE GENERAL SIZE AND LOCATION OF BUILDINGS. OKAY. SO TO YOUR EXACT HYPOTHETICAL OF SWITCHING THE OFFICE TO HOTEL AND SWAPPING THOSE, THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE APPROVAL TONIGHT, BUT HE COULD COME BACK AND AMEND THAT.

HE COULD BRING THAT BACK TO US. I MEAN, JUST THEN, YOU KNOW, IN WALKING THIS SITE, WHEN YOU GO OUT AND WALK IT, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN JUST LOOKING AT THE RENDERINGS HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES WHERE THE HOTEL IS GOING TO GO.

YOU'VE GOT THIS OTHER DEVELOPMENT BEHIND IT. AND CURRENTLY THAT'S WHERE THEY PUT ALL THEIR DUMPSTERS AND ALL THEIR TRASH FURNITURE AND EVERYTHING BEHIND THERE. SO I WANT THIS DEVELOPER TO DO WHAT'S BEST, AND I KNOW HE WILL, AND I JUST DON'T. I WANT US TO BE OPEN MINDED.

IF HE COMES BACK AND SAYS, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING SO, SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PROJECT.

BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. HOWARD, I'M GOING TO BRING UP SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW OF A SOLUTION. PROBABLY THERE ISN'T ONE.

BUT YOU SAID ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT IT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE HAD WITH THE FORMER TODD PLANS.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE LOVES THIS PROJECT, AND I CERTAINLY DO.

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I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC WITH THE SILVER LINE.

AND WAS THERE ANY STUDY, DISCUSSION OR WHATEVER WITH THE DIFFERENCE THE SILVER LINE MAKES IN THAT AREA? BECAUSE DURING THE BUSIER TIMES, IT'S EVERY 15 MINUTES.

I THINK THOSE GUARD GATES ARE GOING DOWN AND STOPPING TRAFFIC.

AND I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT IF IT STARTS JUST BACKING UP FROM THAT? ANYBODY LOOK INTO THAT? YES. SO THE ORIGINAL TIA, WHICH WAS DONE FOR THE FAMILY AND SHIP PROJECT, WHICH CONTEMPLATED MULTIFAMILY AND SO FORTH, THAT WHEN THAT WAS DONE AND PRESENTED IN 2024, THAT INCLUDED, I'M GOING TO SAY MODIFICATION OR THE MODEL INCLUDED THE SILVER LINE BEING ACTIVE BECAUSE AT THE TIME THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE OF THAT, THE FORMER PROPOSAL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND AND COMPLETED UNTIL AFTER THE SILVER LINE WAS ALREADY ACTIVE. SO THAT WAS ALREADY BAKED INTO THE ORIGINAL MODEL OF THE TIA.

SO ALL OF THAT WAS THAT SAY SENTIMENT WAS CARRIED FORWARD INTO THE ANALYSIS OF THE CURRENT PROPOSAL AND THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WITH WITH EMILY WAS MORE TRAFFIC THAN WHAT'S ANTICIPATED WITH THIS PLAN NEARLY DOUBLE.

SO I CAN TELL YOU THE FIGURES. SO THE ANTICIPATED TOTAL AVERAGE WEEKDAY TRIPS UNDER THE FORMER PROPOSAL WAS 11,531, AND THIS PROPOSAL IS 6157. SO JUST OVER HALF. OKAY. AS I SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A SOLUTION WAS.

ANYWAY, WE HAVE THE SILVER LINE. WE WANT THIS PLAN.

I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. THANK YOU.

RANDY. ONE OTHER QUICK COMMENT. I KNOW THAT YOU YOU ANTICIPATED THE SILVER LINE COMING IN ON THIS.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ANTICIPATED AND KNEW THE THE PROCEDURES THAT DART WAS GOING TO USE.

WHEN THE TRAIN STOPS, ALL THE GATES COME DOWN AND STAY DOWN UNTIL THE DART TILL THE TRAIN LEAVES.

IT TOOK ME THREE LIGHTS TO GET THROUGH ARAPAHOE, GOING DOWN ARAPAHOE TO GO ACROSS THE TOLLWAY TODAY BECAUSE THE THE GATES WERE DOWN.

SO THAT'S GOING TO CREATE ISSUES. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK WITH DART ON GETTING A BETTER SYSTEM ON THAT.

THERE'S NO REASON THAT THAT SHOULD BE DOWN AT THE TOLLWAY OR ANY OF THE OTHER ONES, WHILE THE TRAIN IS JUST SITTING DEAD IN THE STATION THERE.

SO SOMETHING WE GOT TO WORK ON ON THAT. THANKS, RANDY.

YEAH. AND THEY'RE VERY THEY'RE VERY CLEAR ON OUR DISSATISFACTION WITH THAT OPERATION.

JUST SO YOU KNOW. YES. YOU NEED ME TO WRITE A LETTER.

I THINK WE GOT IT COVERED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT WITH THAT, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER LIGHTS, SO HOLD ON.

OH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. OH. THANKS, CHRIS. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

NO. THAT'S ALRIGHT. HEY, LESLIE, HAVE WE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT AND AND, YOU KNOW, GOT A SENSE OF HOW HE FEELS IF IF WE DECIDE TO EXIT DART.

I'M GOING TO. IF YOU DON'T MIND. I'M GOING TO LET CHAD ADDRESS THAT FROM KIP.

AND THEN I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU JUST TO FOLLOW UP. SO IF WE DO APPROVE TONIGHT, AND THEN FOR SOME REASON, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OR ARE WE IN ANY DANGER OR WOULD WE SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN IF ANOTHER, ANOTHER DEVELOPER STEPPED IN AND WANTED TO DEVELOP THAT SITE? YEAH. SO THE CURRENT THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED ACTUALLY FOR THE FORMER PROPOSAL, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE MULTIFAMILY TOWER, THE HIGH RISE AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS. AND THIS APPROVAL TONIGHT WOULD APPROVE AND CODIFY THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR SCREEN, AS WELL AS THE IDENTIFIED PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF IF THE CURRENT PROJECT WERE TO FALL THROUGH, A FUTURE DEVELOPER COULD DEVELOP THIS EXACT PROPOSAL IF THEY WANTED TO AND PROCEED WITH THE ENTITLEMENTS OR REZONE THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS KIND OF THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW.

AND THE PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE WOULD STILL EXIST IF THIS WERE NOT APPROVED.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, YEAH, IF CHAD COULD COME AND ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. HELLO. GOOD EVENING, CHAD COOK FOR 605 BLUFFVIEW BOULEVARD.

SO I GUESS TO ADDRESS START, WE WENT INTO THIS NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE.

YOU CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT DODS AND SOME HAVE A MORE AGGRESSIVE IMPACT, SOME DON'T HAVE AS MUCH.

SO WE INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED THE PROJECT TO BENEFIT FROM IT.

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IF IT WORKS, WE'VE GOT A TON OF TRAFFIC, BUT IF WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE THE FRONT DOOR.

THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD DRIVE SORT OF THE THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS.

SO THE SHORT ANSWERS WERE VERY COMFORTABLE. IF DART IS NOT STOPPING HERE, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY PREFER THAT IT DOES AND THAT IT WORKS.

AND IT'S A BENEFIT. SETTING ASIDE ALL THE ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS YOU GUYS HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY WORK THROUGH.

SO WE ARE COMFORTABLE IN THIS PLAN WOULD NOT CHANGE IF DART OTHER THAN THE NATURAL CHANGES WILL HAVE AS WE, YOU KNOW, SINK IN WITH THE USERS, THE END USERS FOR THESE SPACES.

BUT WE WOULDN'T MAKE CHANGES EVEN IF DART WAS NOT GOING TO BE PART OF IT AS OF TODAY.

DO YOU THINK YOUR HOTEL USER WOULD PREFER? DART? AND WITHOUT DART, DO YOU THINK THEY'D STILL MOVE FORWARD? SO WE HAVE TWO INTERESTED GROUPS.

WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE, BUT TWO THAT WE'VE SORT OF BEEN ENGAGING WITH. AND WE ASKED THEM STRAIGHT UP THEY IF IT WORKS WELL AND IT'S THE SORT OF PERFECT SCENARIO, IT'S GREAT. THEY'D RATHER HAVE IT. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH DART LINES BRINGING THE WRONG KIND OF PEOPLE VAGRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT SORT OF RELIEVES THAT POTENTIAL HEADACHE.

BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL CREATE ANY ISSUE OR TREPIDATION WITH THEM.

IF DART IS NOT THERE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

CHAIR. DARREN, MAYBE A QUESTION FOR LESLIE, BUT DON'T GO TOO FAR, CHAD, BECAUSE MAYBE FOR YOU.

SO ON SLIDE 12. DOWN THERE BY SIX, THE HANGER.

WHERE'S THE BUS STATION? THAT IS JUST SO THIS IS A GRAPHIC THAT A ILLUSTRATION THAT SHIPS TEAM DID, AND THEY GOT A LITTLE EAGER WITH THE, THE REDESIGN OF THE PARKING LOT AND INADVERTENTLY TOOK THE, THE BUS OUT. BUT WHERE? LET ME GO TO ANOTHER IMAGE.

SO YOU SEE, SO THIS IS THE EXTENT OF WHAT SHIP WOULD POTENTIALLY ENTER INTO A LAND LEASE WITH DART UNDER AND IT WOULD GENERALLY STOP AT THE FIRST ACCESS DRIVE. AND SO IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE AREA WHERE THE THE CURRENT BUS STOPS ARE.

AND SO THAT WOULD IS NOT PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED.

SO IT COULD BE LIKE AN AI HALLUCINATION THAT WOULD PUT THE PARKING LOT THERE.

GOT IT. YEAH. SO ON THE DISCUSSION OF THE OF THE DART BUS STATION MOVING DOWN TO, YOU ADDISON ROAD IN ARAPAHOE.

IS THAT IS THAT GONE ANYWHERE OR. I THINK WE WERE STILL IN CONVERSATIONS WITH DARD.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY PROGRESS MADE PER SE, BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAD HAVE OCCURRED.

AND I THINK GENERALLY DART WAS AMENABLE ABOUT POTENTIALLY MAKING THAT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, AS I RECALL, TOO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE.

THAT WAS FROM DAN. CAN DAN ELABORATE ON THE CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL? LET ME GET. YEAH, LET ME GET THE BULLET POINT UP.

IS IT AS SUBMITTED DAN AS I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.

AS SUBMITTED. IN THE PACKET THAT I'M READING.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU DAN. SECOND THANK YOU, MARLIN FOR THE SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION DISCUSSION. I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU, CHAD FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN ADDISON AND ALSO LETTING US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW THE TRANSIT IMPACTS IT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S GOOD FOR US, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.

SO I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD.

VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO FIVE C.

[c. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on Ordinance adopting a new Comprehensive Plan, Advance Addison 2050, and replacing the 2013 Comprehensive Plan, but maintaining the special area plans, as amended; establishing policy goals for land use, housing, transportation, economic development and community facilities.]

HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE ADOPTING A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ADVANCE ADDISON 2050 AND REPLACING THE 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT MAINTAINING THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS, AS AMENDED. ESTABLISHING POLICY GOALS FOR LAND USE, HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES.

LESLIE, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

TONIGHT WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL. CONSIDERATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ADVANCE ADDISON 2050. THIS MY CLICKER IS NOT WORKING.

THERE WE GO. SO TONIGHT WE'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF PLAN UPDATES SINCE WE LAST MET AND DISCUSS THIS ITEM AND THEN WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.

SO WE ARE AT THE FINAL STAGE. WE HAVE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN AUGUST OF 2023.

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SO WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME, HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ENGAGEMENT.

USED A CONSULTANT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND TRANSITIONED TO A STAFF LED PROJECT TO FINISH IT OUT.

AND WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE LANDED, IN CONJUNCTION WITH APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY FROM THE CPC, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ARRIVE BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE UPDATED FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION, WHICH WAS ON FEBRUARY 3RD INCLUDE RESTORING THE 2050 ON THE DOCUMENT NAME. SO THERE WERE, I BELIEVE THERE WERE 12 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE THAT WAS PUT BACK INTO THE DOCUMENT.

ONE OF THEM BEING THE TITLE PAGE OR THE FRONT PAGE OF THE DOCUMENT RESTORING THE 2050 IN THE DOCUMENT NAME.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAD A FAIRLY KIND OF ROBUST CONVERSATION AT THE LAST MEETING TALKING ABOUT PLAN LINKS AND REFERENCES EMBEDDED WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. AND I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT THIS.

SO THIS INFORMATION COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE THE DOCUMENT ITSELF.

AND IT'S FOUND ON PAGE 12 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IDENTIFIES HOW CROSS REFERENCES ARE IDENTIFIED AND FUNCTIONED WITHIN THE DOCUMENT.

SO THE THE TEAL COLORED LINKS ARE LINKS TO OTHER INFORMATION WITHIN THE SAME DOCUMENT, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO IT TELLS YOU THE PAGE NUMBER OR THE SECTION REFERENCE WHERE THAT INFORMATION IS IDENTIFIED AND WHAT THE TOPIC IS.

SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES.

SO IT TELLS YOU THE THE THE PAGE TOPIC OR THE THE SUBJECT TOPIC AS WELL AS THE PAGE NUMBER.

AND IF YOU CLICK IT, IT WILL ACTUALLY TAKE YOU TO THAT PAGE.

IF YOU'RE IN A PDF, A DIGITAL PDF FORM, AND THEN ON THE EXTERNAL REFERENCES ARE IDENTIFIED IN ORANGE.

SO THE OTHER EXAMPLE HERE WE HAVE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO IT'S TALKING ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT STANDARDS.

IF YOU SELECT THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE OUR HEIGHT STANDARDS. THIS IS USED THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR TRANSPARENCY BUT TO NAVIGATE PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THIS DOCUMENT IS USED WITHIN A MUCH BROADER CONTEXT, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN OTHER SESSIONS IN CONJUNCTION WITH COUNCIL GOALS WITH OUR OTHER MASTER PLANS AND SO FORTH.

IT'S NOT THE ONLY THE ONLY DOCUMENT WE'RE REFERENCING.

THEY ALL NEED TO WORK IN TANDEM, SO JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HOW THAT WILL FUNCTION IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT ONCE IT'S PUBLISHED ON OUR WEBSITE.

AND I'VE ALREADY SAID IT, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVANCE IN 2050.

AND THEN JUST BRIEFLY BEFORE WE THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS, TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT IF APPROVED.

SO WE ARE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING OF THE DOCUMENT.

IF APPROVED THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO PUT THIS ALL THIS FINAL DOCUMENTS ALL WITHIN OUR WEBSITE.

WE HAVE IN VISIO, WHICH IS HOW COUNCIL CURRENTLY TRACKS THE COUNCIL STRATEGIC PLAN, READY TO GO WITH OUR IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX THAT WILL BE PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL. AND WE'D HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING ONLINE.

THANK YOU. LESLIE. DAVID, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND RECOGNIZE LESLIE AND THE ENTIRE PLANNING STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY STARTED IN 2023. RECOGNIZE THE CPSC AND ALL THEIR WORK ON THE DOCUMENT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THE ITERATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT WE HAD TO AFTER CPSC TO BEFORE PNC TO AFTER PNC.

THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, THAT THE INPUT THAT WE'VE HAD FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE COMMITTEE. SO APPRECIATE THAT AND THINK THAT ALL THOSE STEPS LED TO A BETTER DOCUMENT AND ONE THAT'S BEFORE YOU NOW.

SO THANK YOU, LESLIE, AND TO YOUR TEAM. THANK YOU.

YES. THANKS, LESLIE, AND THANKS TO ALL INVOLVED SO MUCH AND SO MUCH TIME YOU ALL PUT INTO THIS.

AND WE'VE CERTAINLY HAD A GOODLY NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS OVER THIS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WRAPPING THIS UP.

DARREN. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE PUT INTO THE SAME TRACKING SYSTEM AS WE USE FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF ADDISON.

ARE WE TRACKING THE 2013 PLAN? DO WE HAVE ANY MECHANISM OF HOW THAT WAS TRACKED? WE DO NOT. SO THERE WAS NEVER ANY IMPLEMENTATION TRACKING PUT IN PLACE AFTER ADOPTION.

SO AND WE'VE KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT PREVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S VERY PROPERTY FOCUSED.

THERE'S NOT HIGH LEVEL GOALS. AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO TRACK.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY TRACKING IT AND DOING SOME SOMETHING WITH IT.

YEAH. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT WON'T BE ON THE COUNCIL TRACKING.

IT WILL BE THE SAME FORM, BUT IT WILL LIVE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LIKE TOWN WEB PAGE, JUST FOR REFERENCE.

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THEY WON'T BE INTEGRATED TOGETHER. PUBLIC PAGE? YEP. WILL BE PUBLIC. YES, SURE. HOWARD. SO EARLIER TONIGHT WE HAD A SPEAKER.

HIS NAME WAS MARK ALBERT, AND I THINK HE'S SPOKEN WITH YOU BEFORE, AND I THINK HE WAS REFERRING TO THIS PLAN WITH THE DIFFICULTY THAT HE'S HAVING WITH HIS HEIGHT AND HIS POTENTIAL SALE. WHAT HE EXPLAINED TO ME WAS THAT THE POSITION OF THE BUILDING IS IT'S THE PROBLEM.

THE CITY, THE STAFF, THE PLAN. SOMETHING. ONCE THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE CURB, HE WANTS IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OF THE TRACK.

DOES THIS PLAN? IS THIS THE ONE THAT CONTROLS THAT, OR IS IT THE UDC THAT CONTROLS THAT? AND CAN HE GET WHAT HE WANTS, OR IS IT NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THIS PLAN? YES. SO YEAH, I ACTUALLY MET WITH MARK TODAY, EARLIER TODAY AND EARLIER LAST LATE LAST WEEK AS WELL.

SO THIS PLAN ENCOURAGES MORE WALKABILITY. AND WHEN IN THE APPROPRIATE CONTEXT, A MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT BUT IT DOES NOT SET THE STANDARDS.

SO THE STANDARDS OR THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THOSE LIVE IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND TO TO JUST QUICKLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES, WE WERE ABLE TO GET HIM BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS HE WANTED TO.

SO HIS SALE, I MEAN, WHAT HE EXPLAINED TO ME IS THE BUYER, IF HE CAN'T DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THE WAY THAT HE WANTS, IT COULD KILL THE SALE. AND HE'S TAKEN NINE YEARS TO SELL IT AND WE WOULD LIKE DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING AS RAW LAND SO HIS PLAN CAN GO FORWARD AND THEY CAN PUT THE BUILDING WHERE THEY WANT.

THIS ISN'T GOING TO PREVENT IT. YEAH, THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS. THEY HAVE TO THEY CAN'T PUT IT.

I BELIEVE IT'S NO MORE THAN 80FT FROM THE, THE STREET FRONTAGE.

THEY HAVE TO PUT IT WITHIN 80FT OF THE STREET FRONTAGE.

BUT THAT LIVES IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT.

DOES THAT 80FT ALLOW FOR THE PARKING HE NEEDS BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE BUILDING.

IT WOULD ALLOW FOR SOME PARKING WITHOUT WITHOUT AN ARCHITECT TO DRAW IT UP.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MOST STREETS.

MOST PARKING SPACES ARE 18.5FT DEEP, AND A DRIVE AISLE IS ABOUT 24FT WIDE.

OKAY. IF THAT GIVES YOU SOME CONTEXT. YEAH. OKAY.

THANKS. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

AND PER USUAL, IF YOU'LL PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ABSOLUTELY.

AND IT'S VERY COLD IN HERE, BY THE WAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ELIZABETH JONES. I LIVE IN EAST ADDISON ON CELESTIAL ROAD OR CELESTIAL PLACE.

EXCUSE ME. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS.

TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE PERMITS, BUT DOESN'T STRICTLY REQUIRE THE ADOPTION OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THOUGH IT MUST BE USED AS THE BASIS FOR ZONING CHANGES.

A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF IT. WHILE IT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY BINDING LEGALLY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTS AS A CRITICAL ROADMAP FOR THE TOWN DECISIONS AND A LEGAL FOUNDATION FOR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

I RAISE THAT BECAUSE AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND SOMEBODY WHO IS READING THIS PLAN AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S A 500 PLUS PAGE DOCUMENT WITH VERY LITTLE GUIDANCE TO WHAT THE PLAN IS ACTUALLY LOOKING TO ACHIEVE AND HOW IT'S GOING TO GET THERE, AND THE METRICS AND THE PARTICULAR FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES OR RELATED FINANCIAL INVESTMENTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

THE COUNCIL'S SPECIFIC DIRECTION WHEN IT BEGAN THIS PROCESS, IT EMPHASIZED A DATA DRIVEN, COMMUNITY FOCUSED APPROACH WITH A STRONG COMMITMENT TO FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY.

I'M GOING TO SORT OF FOCUS ON THAT SPECIFIC POINT, BECAUSE ONE OF THE GREATEST SORT OF MISSING PIECES OF THIS PLAN HAS TO DO WITH THE FINANCIAL PLAN. I COULD NOT FIND, NOR DID I SEE, ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ANY KIND OF BUDGET OR RELATED DOCUMENTATION SUPPORTING WHAT FINANCIALLY, THIS PLAN MIGHT REQUIRE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT IT SHOULD BE EASY TO UNDERSTAND.

IT REALLY ISN'T. THERE IS NO EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.

THERE IS NO WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEFINED MISSION VISION VALUES ARE, THE MEASURABLE CORE VALUES.

THE POLICY PLAN DOCUMENTS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD GO INTO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH TIE BACK TO THE GOALS WHICH MUST BE BOTH REALISTIC, ACTIONABLE, MEASURABLE, AND FINANCIALLY JUSTIFIED.

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IT SHOULD CLEARLY AND SUCCINCTLY DEFINE AND ALIGN THE LONG TERM GOALS FOR THE TOWN WITH OTHER CURRENT ADOPTED PLANS.

AND BY THE WAY, THIS MORNING AT THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, WE FOUND CONFLICTS.

AND AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAS NOT BEEN RECTIFIED.

BUT IT ALSO SHOULD HAVE HAD A DEFINING PURPOSE AND THE SPECIFIC STEPS, TIMELINES, RESOURCES NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS.

THESE THINGS ARE MISSING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WERE OTHER MAJOR OMISSIONS, AND I'M GOING TO, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, TRY TO RUN THROUGH THEM.

AND IF YOU'LL PERMIT ME I'VE PREPARED A LONGER DOCUMENT, BUT THIS WAS IN THE FIVE DAYS I HAD TO ACTUALLY REVIEW.

WHAT IS THE FINAL PRODUCT? THERE IS NO COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS.

WE HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR NEIGHBORS OR ANY OTHER JURISDICTION WHERE THEY ALSO MAY BE DOING DEVELOPMENT.

THE DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS IS SHOULD BE SPECIFIC TO SPECIFIC POPULATIONS.

IT'S NOT THE AND THAT IS YOUR TIME. ELIZABETH, YOU CAN WRAP UP, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I HAVE A LIST OF 20 ITEMS. I'M HAPPY TO LAY THEM OUT. I HAVE A FAIRLY LONG ANALYSIS.

IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU GIVE THE PUBLIC THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT IS YOUR TIME, ELIZABETH. THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER QUALIFIED TO HAVE HAD MORE ACTUAL PUBLIC ON THE RECORD HEARINGS, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE THE NIGHT YOU TAKE A VOTE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, I WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU. CHRIS. IS THERE A SECOND? THE MOTION.

THANK YOU, DARREN, FOR THE SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MY DISCUSSION WOULD BE. I'M SORRY. I HAD MY LIGHT LIT WHEN YOU ASKED FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SOME PEOPLE JUST DO THAT TO TO VOTE.

OH THEY DO. OKAY. WELL, THIS THIS PLAN IS TOO LONG CITED IN A 2050.

IN MY OPINION, IT IT RELIES TOO MUCH ON OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE CHANGING.

I WOULD HAVE MUCH RATHER SEEN THIS TABLED UNTIL AFTER THE THE ELECTION ON MARCH THE 2ND, OR MAY THE 2ND TO ALLOW US TO LOOK AT THIS.

SO I'LL BE FORCED TO VOTE NO ON THIS. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I'D LIKE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THE DART ELECTION BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS.

I AGREE WITH RANDY THAT I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO TABLE IT UNTIL AFTER THAT ELECTION.

GARIN. SO I WOULD ASK SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS ON HOW THE DART OUTCOME WOULD AFFECT THIS PLAN SINCE WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION PLAN SEPARATELY FROM THIS, MAYBE A LESLIE OR DAVID COULD ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.

I THINK WE ADDRESSED THIS AT THE THE LAST WORK SESSION YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PLANS, THINKING ABOUT THAT, WE DECIDED TO DELAY THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN UNTIL THE SUMMER TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, WHEN YOU LOOK IN DETAIL, THERE'S JUST NOT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THAT WE WOULD MAKE IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE WOULD TO THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. SO THAT WAS OUR DETERMINATION AS WE LOOKED AT THE PLAN.

UNDERSTANDING THE ELECTION COMING UP. SO I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES, WHY IS IT THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DELAY SOMETHING AND JUST GET IT DONE AND MOVE ON? IF WE HAVE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS, WE DO. BUT MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN DRIVES MOST OF THE DART IMPACT OF THIS.

OKAY. IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THERE'S A LOT OF POINTS THAT ELIZABETH BROUGHT UP.

SOME OF THEM, QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT COMP PLANS BEFORE I GOT ON THIS COUNCIL.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO, TO TAKE OUR TIME. I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE RUSH IN APPROVING IT.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, BUT I STILL DON'T SEE THE RUSH.

AND EVEN IN THE LAST MEETING, LESLIE SAID PARTS OF THE PLAN ARE ALREADY OUT OF DATE.

THAT MAYBE, MAYBE WE SHOULD LISTEN TO WHAT ELIZABETH HAD TO SAY AND AND MAKE SOME CORRECTIONS TO THE PLAN AND APPROVE IT WHEN IT'S RIGHT. I JUST THINK WE'RE RUSHING IT. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW THIS COULD BE RUSHING.

I WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DATA AND WE ADDRESS THAT LAST TIME.

ALSO, THERE ARE APPENDIXES THAT CAN BE UPDATED THAT WILL BE UPDATED.

THEY'RE UPDATED ON A SCHEDULE. I THINK IT'S EVEN DEFINED IN THE PLAN. IT'S NOT A PERFECT PLAN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S A PLAN. MAKE THE PLAN MOVE ON A TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TO DELIBERATE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

RANDI. THANK YOU. I THINK THE POINT HAS BEEN MADE THAT OVER THE TWO YEARS WE'VE HAD SO MANY THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE OUT OF DATE AND MOVED

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ON. SO MY MY COMMENTS AND MY VOTE IS NOT DIRECTED AT STAFF.

Y'ALL HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS. I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS.

I JUST THINK IT'S A PLAN THAT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. AND IT'S NOT PERSONAL.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. YEAH.

QUICK QUESTION FROM MY SIDE. BRUCE. SURE. SO TO TO BACK TO THE POINT FOR CLARIFICATION.

SO WITHIN THE PLAN ITSELF, YAY OR NAY IF THIS GETS APPROVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

BUT MY POINT I'M ASKING IS A QUESTION OPEN ENDED FOR YOU AND DAVID IS FUTURE COUNCILS, FUTURE MAYORS.

THESE THESE ITEMS WITHIN THE COMP PLAN CAN BE AMENDED AND OR AS TO DARREN'S POINT, BE ADJUSTED.

IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

YES. THIS IS A THIS IS A LONG RANGE VISIONARY POLICY DOCUMENT.

AND THAT COULD BE UPDATED AS THE COUNCIL SEES IS APPROPRIATE.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.

THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD EVALUATE ON PROBABLY A FIVE YEAR BASIS ANYWAYS THAT WE WOULD JUST EVALUATE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE. I AGREE, THAT'S TO MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.

THIS IS NOT IN CONCRETE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVER, TO RANDY'S POINT, TWO AND A HALF YEARS IS A LONG, A LONG WAY. AND THINGS DO CHANGE ON THE FLY. BUT TO THE POINT BEING, THE FLY CAN KEEP CHANGING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION FROM FUTURE COUNCIL'S VOTES.

AND THAT'S THE POINT. I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS THAT THAT THIS WILL NEVER BE SET IN STONE IF WE DON'T TAKE THIS TO A TO A DEFINITIVE MOTION.

SO NOT TO NEGATE ELIZABETH JONES POINTS, BUT THESE POINTS CAN BE ADDRESSED IN FUTURE COUNCILS AND OR FUTURE VOTES.

THAT'S I HOPE I'M MAKING THAT CLEAR. I'M STATING THAT CORRECTLY.

SURE. THANK YOU DAN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. I OPPOSED TWO OPPOSED.

ALL RIGHT, THAT ITEM IS APPROVED. THANK YOU. LESLIE.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX, A PRESENT. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH CONSTRUCTION SOLUTIONS USA,

[a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving a construction services agreement with Construction Solutions USA, LLC for the renovation of the outdoor pool restroom at the Addison Athletic Club and authorize the City Manager to execute the agreement in an amount not to exceed $165,164.26 and establish a total project construction budget of $181,680.]

LLC, FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE OUTDOOR POOL RESTROOM AT THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB, AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $165,164.26, AND ESTABLISH A TOTAL PROJECT CONSTRUCTION BUDGET OF $181,000 $181,680. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE ONLY WAY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE FIVE MINUTES TO FIVE NEED FIVE.

GET RID OF SOME OF THIS WATER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SORRY, BILL. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT IF WE CAN TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, Y'ALL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 849 NOW. THANK YOU. GUYS DO.

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ALL RIGHT. IT IS 8:57 P.M. AND WE WILL RECONVENE AFTER A SHORT BREAK.

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AND WE'VE ALREADY READ THE ITEM SIX A AND WE'LL GO RIGHT TO BILL HOLLY'S PRESENTATION.

BILL. GOOD. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

BILL HOLLY, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES. SO THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB OUTDOOR RESTROOM WAS CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE FITNESS WING EXPANSION IN 2003. SO THE RESTROOMS FOR THE OUTDOOR POOL HAVE NOT BEEN REMODELED SINCE THEN.

SO THE FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT AND THINGS IN THOSE SPACES ARE 22 YEARS OLD.

THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS FROM A FROM A MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP POINT OF VIEW MAINLY RELATED TO ALL THE FIXTURES IN THAT AREA.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES IN A MOMENT. WE'RE NOT INSTALLED WITH FREEZE PROTECTION.

SO, LIKE, WHEN WE HAD THIS EVENT TWO WEEKS AGO, WE WERE THERE EVERY COUPLE HOURS AROUND THE CLOCK, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING WAS RUNNING, PUTTING SPACE HEATERS, DRIPPING FAUCETS, TAKING CARE OF THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE. AND IT'S CREATING SOME OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES.

AND THEN A LOT OF THOSE FIXTURES, FINDING THE PARTS, THE REPLACEMENT OR PEOPLE THAT WORK ON THOSE GETS GETS MORE DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING? MORE EXPENSIVE IF SOMETHING GETS OLDER, MUCH LIKE WORKING ON AN OLDER CAR.

MEMBER FEEDBACK MEMBERS HAVE EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT JUST WEAR AND TEAR IN THAT AREA, THAT IT CAN GET SLIPPERY WHEN IT'S WET. OF COURSE, IT'S BY A POOL AND THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT THE RESTROOMS. SO FUNDING IS INCLUDED IN THE FY 26 BUDGET. THAT'S IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING THIS EVENING.

A COUPLE OF PICTURES. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO TELL, BUT INSIDE THAT BLUE CIRCLE BEHIND THE THE TOILET IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE CMU WALL LIKE YOU HAVE IN THIS ROOM THAT NEEDS SOME REPAIR. CONCERN OVER TIME IS WATER GETS BACK IN THERE, DETERIORATES THAT COULD LEAD TO FURTHER DAMAGE OR POSSIBLY FAILURE OF THAT WALL IN THAT AREA. THIS IS THAT PLUMBING CHASE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO RESTROOMS. SO ALL THE PLUMBING IS THERE.

THAT'S TOTALLY OPEN TO THE OUTDOOR ELEMENTS. SO WHATEVER TEMPERATURE IT IS OUTSIDE, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE TEMPERATURE YOU HAVE IN THAT SPACE.

SO PART OF THIS PROJECT IS TO PROVIDE NOT A NOT NOT TO HEAT IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, NORMAL HUMAN TEMPERATURE, BUT JUST TO KEEP THAT AREA FROM FREEZING IN THESE PROLONGED COLD TEMPERATURES.

THAT'S A PICTURE OF THE THE SINKS AND THE MIRRORS AND THE AND THE STALLS.

ALSO A PICTURE OF THE THE SHOWERS IN THE RESTROOMS. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE, THE FLOOR THERE IS THE POLISHED CONCRETE OR JUST CONCRETE IS NOT POLISHED.

AND THAT DOES GET SLIPPERY WHEN IT'S WET. SO PART OF THE PROJECT IS TO PROPOSE A RESIN SURFACE LIKE WE DID IN THESE RESTROOMS, WHICH CAUSED SOME GRIP, MAKES IT EASY TO CLEAN, AND IT'S A SIMPLE PROCESS TO APPLY THAT.

SO GOING OUT TO BID, WE DID A ON BID NET DIRECT ISSUED A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND IT HAD A BASE BID WHICH INCLUDED JUST THE BASICS, THE DEMO, THE REPAIRS, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE TOILETS, THE SINKS, THE PARTITIONS SOME ELECTRICAL WORK, LIGHTING, BABY CHANGING STATIONS, ALL THE ADA REQUIREMENTS THAT GO IN THAT SPACE.

IT DOES ADD A GLASS STOREFRONT AS YOU IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN OUT THERE YOU NOTICE IT'S IT'S OPEN.

AND THEN YOU TURN ONE WAY TO GO TO THE MEN'S OR THE LADIES YOU CAN'T SEE IN THERE, BUT THIS PROVIDES SOME SECURITY.

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IT ALSO PROVIDES ADDITIONAL PRIVACY, AND IT WILL HELP US WITH TEMPERATURE CONTROL AND ALSO AIR CIRCULATION AND REMOVING SOME HUMIDITY BY HAVING THAT PARTITION. THERE THERE'S SOME EXHAUST FANS AND DUCTWORK BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NONE IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION.

SO ODORS CAN LINGER IN THERE OVER TIME AND HUMIDITY CAN LINGER.

AND THAT CAUSES CONCERNS. THE PLUMBING CHASE HEATER, WHICH I DESCRIBED AND THEN ALSO WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF FIRE ALARM WORK TO MAKE SURE NOW THAT THAT WOULD BE ENCLOSED, THAT YOU HAVE PROPER NOTIFICATION FOR PEOPLE IN THERE.

IF THERE IS AN EVENT IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY NEEDED TO LEAVE.

WE SCORED THOSE 50% BASED ON THE PRICE 25% BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE COMPANY AND THEN 15% ON SUBCONTRACTORS. AND THEN CONSTRUCTION TIME WAS IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THAT FINISHED BEFORE THE POOL OPENS IN MAY.

SO WE HAD 11 PROPOSALS. AND THESE ARE LISTED IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, BUT THE HIGHLIGHTED IN BOLD CONSTRUCTION SOLUTIONS HAD THE LOWEST BID.

AND YOU SEE THEIR OVERALL SCORE AT 99. REALLY OUTSTANDING.

THEY HAVE DONE OTHER RESTROOM PROJECTS INCLUDING IN PARKS AND OTHER WORK AT PARKS AND FOR MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER PUBLIC RESTROOMS. SO JUST EVERYTHING ABOUT THEIR PROPOSAL WAS, WAS HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THE REST.

AND THEY ALSO HAPPENED TO BE A VERY COMPETITIVE OR THE LOWEST, THE LOWEST BID IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE SOME OTHER GREAT FOLKS ON THIS, THIS LIST.

SOMETIMES PRICING SOMEBODY THAT WE'VE USED BEFORE, THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER PROJECTS GOING ON.

THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT WORTH THEIR WHILE. SO JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY SCORED LOWER ON THIS LIST DOESN'T MEAN YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THEM AGAIN.

OR WE'VE SEEN THEM IN THE PAST. BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, CONSTRUCTION SOLUTIONS USA WAS JUST HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE EVERYBODY ELSE.

WE DID INCLUDE IN THE DESIGN WORK ALTERNATES.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE MORE OF THE, THE NICETY AND DECORATIVE.

BUT DURING THE ORIGINAL TASK FROM COUNCIL WAS TO HAVE THESE THINGS INCLUDED A DIFFERENT COUNCIL.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS GOES BACK OVER A YEAR, BUT WE HAVE THOSE INCLUDED AND THE PRICING AS ALTERNATES IF THIS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THOSE.

SO I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THOSE VERY QUICKLY. ALTERNATE BID ITEM NUMBER ONE AT $670, IS AN AWNING AND SIGNAGE THAT GOES ABOVE THAT OPENING INTO THE RESTROOMS, AND THAT'S DEPICTED THERE IN THE GRAPHICS.

THOSE THOSE ARE NOT LIGHTED. IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU WOULD SEE. OBVIOUSLY, THE POOLS OPEN DURING THE DAYLIGHT HOURS, SO YOU WOULD SEE THAT PROVIDE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF PROTECTION FROM THE DIRECT SUN AND THE LIGHTS, AND JUST PROVIDE PEOPLE GUIDANCE TO WHERE THOSE RESTROOMS ARE IF THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. ALTERNATE BID NUMBER TWO, AT ABOUT $6,000.

OUR MEN'S AND WOMEN'S SIGNAGE, JUST TO HELP POINT THOSE OUT THERE IS SIGNAGE IN THE BASE BID.

THAT'S YOUR STANDARD. LIKE YOU SEE OUTSIDE A NORMAL DOOR THAT SAYS MEN'S OR LADIES WITH WITH THE BRAILLE ON IT, THESE ARE JUST MORE VISIBLE. THOSE ARE NOT LIGHTED.

THIS IS THAT ENTRYWAY THAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER, AND THIS IS AN OPTION TO UPGRADE AND PUT A MORE DECORATIVE INSTEAD OF JUST A FROSTED FINISH. YOU HAVE THIS COLORED KIND OF HARD TO SEE IN ON MY TINY SCREEN, BUT UP UNDERNEATH DAN LISIO THERE YOU'LL SEE THE PATTERN OF DIFFERENT COLORS IN THE CHECKERED PATTERN. SO IT HAS A MORE APPEALING DESIGN THAN JUST A STANDARD FROSTED GLASS.

AT 17,000. AND THEN MIRRORING THAT INTO THE RESTROOM, SOME TILE WAINSCOTING ALONG THE BOTTOM THAT HELPS FROM A CLEANING AND A KIND OF PROTECTING THAT CMU WALL.

BUT THAT'S A 4200, ROUGHLY $4,300 UPGRADE TO APPLY THAT THAT TILE ALONG THAT WALL.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE BASE BID. AND THEN AS YOU NOTICE FROM THE CAPTION, WE'RE ALSO WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER GIVING US A 10% CONTINGENCY JUST WITH A WITH AN OLDER BUILDING. WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT WE MIGHT RUN INTO THERE.

THAT WOULD BE AN OWNER'S CONTINGENCY THAT WE CONTROL, THAT WE COULD APPLY TOWARDS.

IF WE GOT INTO THAT PLUMBING AREA. AND WE THOUGHT, WELL, THIS WOULD BE BETTER IF WE GO AHEAD AND INSULATE THESE PIPES IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS CALLED OUT IN THE BID, OR WE WE MAKE SOME KIND OF MODEST CHANGE.

WE WOULDN'T NEED TO STOP THE PROJECT, COME BACK AND ASK FOR A CHANGE ORDER AND GET COUNCIL APPROVAL ON THAT.

BUT BELIEVE ME, WE WON'T SPEND IT UNLESS WE ACTUALLY NEED TO DO THAT.

IT'S PRETTY STANDARD PRACTICE FOR US TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION IN THERE, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT 10%. IN ADDITION TO THE 165, FOR A TOTAL OF JUST UNDER 182,000 FOR THE PROJECT WITH CONTINGENCY.

AND THAT WOULD LEAVE APPROXIMATELY 38,000 IF COUNCIL WANTED TO DO ANY OF THE ALTERNATES.

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AND ACTUALLY, I GOT A COUPLE OF NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT LATER THIS AFTERNOON, JUST TO PUT IN CONTEXT.

YOU'LL RECALL IN THE BUDGET, THERE WAS $330,000 FOR WORK AT THAT FACILITY.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T ON THE SLIDE, BUT I WANTED TO DESCRIBE WHAT THAT WAS.

SO THERE WAS THERE WAS FUNDING FOR DESIGN OF A SECURITY FENCE AND THE BATHROOMS. THEN THERE WAS CONSTRUCTION OF THE SECURITY FENCE.

THOSE TWO ARE DONE AND THAT WAS $98,000. SO IF YOU TAKE 98 FROM THE 330, THAT LEAVES NOT 220, BUT ACTUALLY 232. SO IF COUNCIL APPROVED THE BASE BID PLUS THE CONTINGENCY, THAT MEANS THERE'S STILL 50,000 LEFT IN THAT PROJECT THAT GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND. CORRECT. OR IT GOES BACK INTO THE FUNDS.

TOWNS. FUNDS. SO I KNOW I THREW A LOT OF NUMBERS AND CONTINGENCIES AND THINGS AT YOU, BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THAT'S THE THE PROJECT TIMELINE IN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS.

SO IF WE GOT STARTED SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 2 OR 3 WEEKS, WE WOULD BE DONE WITH PLENTY OF TIME BEFORE THE POOL OPENS IN MAY.

SO HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS THAT I'M ANTICIPATING EAGERLY.

THANK YOU. BILL, THOSE QUESTIONS. MAYOR, I'VE GOT A GOT A QUESTION ON THIS THESE ALTERNATES? YES, SIR. IT'S IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST JUST WITHOUT.

WITHOUT THE CURRENT STATE. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO TO IF WE APPROVED THE 180, 282,000 THAT WE COULD COME BACK WHEN WE HAVE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT COMPARE AND CONTRAST SITUATIONS RATHER THAN WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. I GUESS A QUESTION FOR DAVID TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT OF THE BASE AND THEN ADD THE ALTERNATES LATER, POTENTIALLY. YES, YES. I'M JUST NOT WITH WITHOUT WITHOUT SEEING THE CURRENT STATE RELATIVE TO THESE THESE ALTERNATE BID OPTIONS. JUST DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TO CONSIDER THEM FROM THE CONTRACTOR'S POINT OF VIEW. IF, IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE A CHANGE ORDER TO TO ADD AN ALTERNATE TO SAY THE THE AWNING.

JUST THE MORE LEAD TIME, THE BETTER. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT LEAD TIME THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, BUT IF IF APPROVED, MOBILIZATION WOULD START AT WHATEVER WAS APPROVED.

IF SOMETHING SUBSEQUENT TO THAT TO TO CHANGE THIS OR TO ADD THAT WE'D HAVE TO APPROACH THE CONTRACTOR AT THAT TIME AND SEE WHAT THE LEAD TIME IS, MATERIAL TIME, ETC.. SO WOULD THERE BE ANY COST ASSOCIATED ASSOCIATED WITH THE WITH THE CHANGE ORDER, ANY COSTS? SO IF YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WITH THE NORMAL CONSTRUCTION AND MOBILIZATION, NORMALLY NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.

BUT IF IT WAS WELL WE'RE DONE. AND NOW LET'S ADD THE AWNING.

AND THEY HAVE TO REMOBILIZE AND HAVE PEOPLE ON SITE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU YOU WOULD EXPECT AN ADDITIONAL COST. COUNCIL SAID THAT THEY, THEY WANT TO JUST DO THE BASE BID AND COME BACK.

WE WOULD COME BACK SOON ENOUGH WHERE WE COULD FIT IT IN, I'M SURE, AND WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR.

THAT'S WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY EVEN BE AFTER THIS SEASON WAS OVER.

AND THEN DO IT WHEN THE THE POOL IS OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S SEE HOW THE DISCUSSION GOES.

HOWARD. OKAY, SO I HAD COMMENTS WHILE WE WERE HAVING THE BUDGET SESSIONS, AND I HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED MY FEELINGS ON THIS PROJECT SINCE THEN. LOOKING AT SLIDE THREE THE YOU'VE GOT THAT CIRCLE, I GUESS, AROUND THAT COMMODE, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS BECAUSE OF THE HOLE IN THE WALL.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID BEHIND IT? YES, SIR. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD TAKE TO JUST FILL THE HOLE IN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE RATHER SIMPLE. I LOOK AT THESE TWO PICTURES AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS OLD AND DINGY AND IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP AND LOOK BETTER.

I AGREE WITH THAT. I THOUGHT 50 OR 60,000 FOR DESIGN WAS QUITE EXPENSIVE FOR TWO OUTDOOR BATHROOMS. THE BATHROOMS ARE UTILITARIAN THERE. POOL, BATHROOMS, I FIGURED.

THEY DON'T HAVE DOORS. THEY DON'T. THE WALLS DON'T GO UP TO THE CEILING SO THAT THEY CAN VENTILATE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO MAINTAIN OR RUN AIR CONDITIONING, YOU KNOW, HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THESE PIPES FREEZING.

SO IN THE 40 YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THIS, HAVE WE HAD THOSE PIPES FREEZE, OR CAN WE DRAIN THEM IN THE WINTER SO THAT IT'S WINTERIZED AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT? I AM WILLING TO APPROVE SOMETHING TO CLEAN UP THE BATHROOMS.

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I JUST I THINK $188,000 ON THESE TWO BATHROOMS IS REALLY EXPENSIVE.

I'M TRYING TO BE PRUDENT AND DO MY FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

THERE'S OTHER THINGS I THINK WE COULD SPEND MONEY ON.

I DON'T KNOW WHICH FUNDS, BUT WE JUST I WOULD LIKE THEM TO LOOK BETTER THAN THEY LOOK, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY IS REASONABLE FOR FOR TWO OUTDOOR BATHROOMS THAT ARE USED THREE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS SORRY TO BEAT AROUND THE BUSH THE, THE PROPOSALS THAT CAME IN. AND I SAW SOME OVER 300,000 FOR THIS, WHICH I'M REALLY SURPRISED.

BUT ARE THESE PROPOSALS BASED ON THE PLANS THAT WERE DEVELOPED DURING DESIGN? DID WE PUT THOSE OUT TO BID? AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING.

YEAH. OKAY. SO AND THEN THE AGAIN THE, THE ALTERNATES WERE YOU HAD THE BASE BID WHICH WAS REPLACED THE TOILETS REPLACED THE STALLS AND THEN ATTACHED. AND I KNOW YOU SEE SO MUCH PAPERWORK IN ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS BREAKS DOWN THE, THE 31 DIFFERENT KIND OF COMPONENTS OF THAT PROJECT, LIKE THE PARTITIONS ARE X AND PAINTING IS Y AND THE HEATER IS THIS AND AND AND THAT.

SO THE TALKING WITH STAFF FROM THE ATHLETIC CLUB, THEY, THEY HAVE A, A PREFERRED LIKE, TO ME, SLIPPING IS A IS A MAJOR CONCERN KEEPING THOSE PIPES FROM FREEZING.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EARLIER, THE STAFF, WE, WE WERE GOING THERE EVERY TWO HOURS AND CHECKING AND FLOWING AND AND DOING THINGS TO KEEP THOSE PIPES FROM FREEZING DURING THESE PROLONGED COLD.

A TYPICAL NIGHT WHERE IT JUST GETS DOWN TO 26, YOU KNOW, FOR A FEW HOURS, THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

BUT THESE, THESE LONGER FREEZES THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT ONE A YEAR THAT LAST TWO, THREE, FOUR DAYS, THAT REQUIRES JUST STAFF ATTENTION OR PUTTING ANTIFREEZE IN OR FLOWING THINGS.

AND WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE. AND IF WE EVER JUST GET A KIND OF SURPRISE OR SOMETHING THAT WE WE MISS THAT OR WE DON'T GET IT COULD BE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TO FIX IT THEN. SO FOR A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS WE CAN ADD A HEATER IN THAT SPACE AND AND SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS, AS FACILITY MAINTENANCE.

IF I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE HEATER.

I JUST THINK 188,000 IS AN AWFUL LOT TO SPEND ON THE BATHROOMS. AND I THINK WE COULD MAKE THEM LOOK PRETTIER, YOU KNOW, UPDATED OR CLEANED UP.

DO SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR. NOBODY WANTS ANYONE TO FALL.

WE HAVE ADA BATHROOMS RIGHT INSIDE THAT DOOR.

GOING INTO THE ATHLETIC CENTER FROM THE POOL.

THERE'S TWO BATHROOMS ON THE RIGHT THAT LOOK FAIRLY NEW, NEWLY REDONE, AND THEY'RE ADA COMPLIANT.

SO FOR THE ADA GUESTS, I THINK WE'VE SOLVED THAT.

SO I DON'T THINK THESE NEED TO BE ADA COMPLIANT UNLESS WE GO OVER WHATEVER 50,000, WHATEVER THAT CEILING IS.

SO I WOULD LIKE THEM TO LOOK CLEANER AND BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO USE AND MAYBE REPLACE SOME OF THE FIXTURES.

BUT WHEN YOU PUT THE DOORS ON AND RAISE THE CEILINGS AND THEN NOW YOU HAVE TO RUN HEAT AND AIR OR WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO RUN. WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO RUN HEAT. SO I THINK, I MEAN, I WASN'T IN THERE LONG, BUT I DIDN'T NOTICE IT SMELLING BAD. SO I GUESS WHILE THEY'RE OPEN, THEY AIR OUT, PEOPLE GO IN, DO THEIR BUSINESS, COME BACK OUT THEIR POOL BATHROOMS. THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, HOWARD, WHAT AMOUNT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD SPEND ON THEM? UNDER 50,000.

WHAT DO YOU BASE THAT ON? I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE ADA COMPLIANT.

SO I WOULD SEE. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? JUST START WITH THE BASICS.

IF WE NEED TO DO THE HEATERS, WHAT DOES THAT RUN? WHAT DOES IT RUN TO DO THE FLOORS. WHAT IS IT? WHAT DOES IT RUN TO JUST CLEAN THEM UP. AND THEN I JUST I DON'T SEE 188,000, I THINK.

I THINK SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE OVERKILL. AND THIS IS THIS IS ONE THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT BUDGET, THIS IS THE ONE THAT GAVE ME HEARTBURN. OF COURSE, IT WAS 330,000.

AND I KNOW PART OF THE WORK'S BEEN DONE, BUT I STILL THINK THAT'S JUST A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON THESE, JUST ON WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THE NUMBER FROM. I MEAN, I COULD SAY 100,000 AND SAY WE COULD DO MORE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE 50,000 FOR AN ADA LIMIT AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT.

SO SO THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2003, SO IT'S 23 YEARS OLD.

THAT'S WHAT IT SAID ON THE SLIDE 2002. OKAY. 2 OR 3 I THINK THIS STARTED LAST YEAR.

SO 2223 YEARS OLD. SO IF WE DO THIS THIS IS NOT JUST A FIX.

THIS IS AN UPGRADE TO THE BATHROOM. SO IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPGRADE TO CURRENT STANDARDS.

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BACK IN THAT DAY, YOU KNOW WE HAD OUTHOUSES. WE REALLY DIDN'T.

BUT WE HAD LOWER STANDARDS. SO NOW THIS IS A LITTLE BETTER STANDARD.

IT'S NOT THE YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE FERRARI, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A NICE BUICK KIND OF THE WAY I GO, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ADDISON LEVEL THING. WHAT'S THE USE? WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OUT OF THIS? THIS WORK, THIS REPAIR AND UPGRADE? I THINK YOU'RE IN THAT 20 TO 25 YEAR RANGE, JUST LIKE WE RECEIVED FROM THIS INITIAL CONSTRUCTION.

SO IF WE DON'T DO ALL OF THE THINGS, IF WE IF WE DO A FULL PRODUCT, DO IT THE RIGHT WAY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT REAL ENGINEERING PLANS AND THOSE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU DO COMMERCIAL THINGS. THEN IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE LESS MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE RELIABLE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS MAINTENANCE STAFF TAKING CARE OF THINGS AND FIXING THINGS AND PATCHING THINGS UP.

SO I SEE A LOWER MAINTENANCE COST ALSO. THAT'S THAT'S AN OFFSET, YOU KNOW, A BENEFIT, A SIDE BENEFIT OF IT.

ALSO, MARLON MENTIONED THE PRESENTATION LACKS SOME GOOD INFORMATION FOR US TO SEE, MAYBE SOME BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES.

THE RENDERINGS TO ME ARE I'M I'M I'M A LEFT BRAIN WITH TECHNICAL THINGS.

SO I DON'T IMAGINE THINGS VERY WELL. SO THE RENDERINGS ARE A LITTLE, A LITTLE SPARSE.

I WOULD AND THE ONE ABOUT THE STAINED GLASS FROSTED GLASS SUBSTITUTION.

THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET A BETTER, YOU KNOW, PICTURE SO THAT WE CAN VISUALIZE IT BETTER, LIKE THE CANOPIES. WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT. BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO LOOK AT.

THE USEFUL LIFE EXPECTATION OF THE WORK. IF WE PATCH IT UP NOW, THEN HOW LONG WILL THAT LAST? AND WE'LL HAVE TO PATCH IT UP AGAIN LATER. NOT THAT YOU HAD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

AND THEN SOME OF THE BETTER BEFORE AND AFTER WOULD BE WOULD BE NICE, BUT I PROBABLY HAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.

BUT I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION, BUT I COULD LIVE WITHOUT IT.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO REMIND COUNCIL THIS IS A BUDGET ITEM.

WE HAD LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AS WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SO FOR ME, WE'RE AT THIS POINT NOW. IT'S IT'S FAIRLY, FAIRLY SIMPLE.

DO YOU WANT TO DO THE PROJECT YES OR NO. AND IF SO, AT WHAT LEVEL? I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REHASH EVERYTHING THAT WE DID DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.

RANDY. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO REITERATE, THIS IS AN OUTDOOR BATHROOM THAT WE USE THREE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.

THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST WASTEFUL PROJECT THAT I HAVE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL, AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY WASTEFUL PROJECTS, IN MY OPINION, THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE ATHLETIC CLUB.

$99,000 FOR SOMEBODY TO TELL US WHERE WADE EQUIPMENT GOES.

EXORBITANT LIGHTING. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT. I'M HOPING THAT YOU'RE STEPPING IN WITH A CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND RATHER THAN SOMEONE THAT'S NOT OUTDOOR BATHROOM. I WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE, AND I THINK PEOPLE EXPECT TO SEE AN OUTDOOR BATHROOM.

IF DARREN WANTS TO GIVE ME ASK ME A DOLLAR FIGURE, THAT'S NOT MY WHEELHOUSE.

BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT LOOKS LIKE AN OUTDOOR BATHROOM AT A SWIMMING POOL THAT SOMEONE SPENDS 30 TO SECONDS TO A MINUTE IN AND GETS OUT.

OF. SO WE'RE AT 180,000. AND THAT'S JUST FOR CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S JUST FOR THE WORK. OKAY. HOW MUCH DID WE HIRE A CONSULTANT TO TELL US WHAT TO DO ON THIS ONE? SO MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS $60,000 WAS BUDGETED AND $49,500 WAS SPENT FOR PROFESSIONALS, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS TO DESIGN THE SECURITY FENCE AND DESIGN THE RESTROOM REMODEL SO THAT THAT ENTITLES, YOU KNOW, ENSURING YOU COMPLY WITH CODES AND ADA AND THE DRAWINGS THAT CONTRACTORS WILL NEED, THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S BUILT TO CODE IN THOSE, THOSE TYPE THINGS.

SO 49 FIVE AND THAT IS NOT A CONSULTANT. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S DESIGNED, BUT MY QUESTION WAS WAS THERE A CONSULTANT BEFORE WE HAD A DESIGN.

OKAY. SO WE WENT DESIGN AND THEN THE BID OKAY.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO WE SPENT ALMOST 50,000 FOR DESIGN.

WE COULD HAVE DONE THE ENTIRE BATHROOM FOR THAT.

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THIS GENTLEMAN. WE HAVE GOT TO START SHOWING SOME FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY FROM THIS DAIS TO TO SPEND MONEY WISELY. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE COMING, THE NEXT THING WE'RE COMING UP, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO SPEND 55 MILLION ON SOMETHING.

WE'VE GOT TO START SHOWING FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY WITH OUR RESIDENTS TAX DOLLARS.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST WASTE I HAVE EVER SEEN. AND SO I WHEN YOU SAY THINGS LIKE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, I TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. I KNOW YOU DO. THIS IS A POLICY DECISION OF DO YOU WANT TO REPLACE A BATHROOM THAT WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, SAID, HEY, THIS BATHROOM NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

WE GAVE YOU THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY TO REPLACE IT.

DOES THAT LINE UP WITH NOT BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE? THAT IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU, THAT IS DIRECTED AT OUR COUNCIL TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE.

YOUR JOB IS TO BRING US A PROJECT WITH WITH THE BUDGET.

AND THEN IT'S OUR JOB TO SAY NO, THAT'S THIS IS THE WAY WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY OR IT'S NOT.

THIS WAS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON YOU ON THIS.

WE'VE GONE WAY OVER ON THIS. FIVE GALLONS OF PAINT IN A NEW SINK CAN GET THIS JOB DONE.

OKAY, DARREN I THINK IT'S A CHOICE OF A STANDARD THAT WE HAVE.

AND PEOPLE LIVE IN DIFFERENT HOUSES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN, AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CARS.

THEY DRIVE AND YOU CAN CHOOSE WHICH HOUSE YOU LIVE IN.

AND PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN ADDISON CHOOSE A CERTAIN STANDARD.

AND I DO HEAR THAT FROM TAXPAYERS ALSO. I THINK THIS IS REASONABLE.

I THINK IT'S A 20 TO 25 YEAR INVESTMENT. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND LISTENING TO COUNCIL TO BE REASONABLE ABOUT HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY.

YOU DON'T JUST PULL THIS OUT OF THE AIR TO DO PAINT AND THINGS.

WHENEVER YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THIS A 50 YEAR FACILITY.

AND I RESPECT YOU GUYS POSITION. DON'T DON'T GET ME WRONG. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEVEN ON THE COUNCIL. OKAY? IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALL THINK THE SAME, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE ADDISON LEVEL OF QUALITY. AGAIN, IT'S A BUICK, NOT EVEN CADILLAC.

SO THAT'S KIND OF I THINK IT'S THE REASONABLE, RESPONSIBLE, HIGHER QUALITY THING TO DO.

AND I WON'T TALK ABOUT BATHROOMS IN OTHER CITIES OR OTHER PLACES.

BUT I THINK THIS IS THE THE SENSIBLE, SENSIBLE THING TO DO.

SENSIBLE, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY ANYBODY UNMUTED ON ZOOM. SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE BASE BID OF 165 $164 0.26 PLUS THE THE CONTINGENCY. BASICALLY, THAT GETS US TO $181,680.

AND I WOULD LIKE THE THE ALTERNATIVES TO BE BROUGHT BACK AT A LATER MEETING SO THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO GO GO OVER THERE AND OR COMPARE AND CONTRAST PICTURES OR SOMETHING TO HELP US THROUGH THESE ALTERNATIVE BIDS.

THAT'S WHAT I'D LOVE TO SEE. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY MOTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE MOTION. MARLIN. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND THAT SECOND FROM CHRIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? NAY. FOUR TIMES NAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BILL. THE VOTE MAY AS WELL WAS THERE.

THREE. SO 4 TO 3 THEN VOTED NAY OKAY. OKAY. ITEM SIX BE PRESENT.

[b. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance by the Town of Addison, Texas calling a Bond Election to be held within the town; making provisions for the Conduct and the Giving of Notice of the Election; and containing other provisions relating thereto. A draft of the election order reflecting the proposed amount and scope of the proposition is available for review at https://www.addisontx.gov/Government/Meetings-Agendas or upon request to Valencia Garcia, City Secretary. The final amount and the scope of any proposition to be presented to the voters is within the discretion of the City Council. ]

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE BY THE TOWN OF ADDISON, TEXAS, CALLING A BOND ELECTION TO BE HELD WITHIN THE TOWN, MAKING PROVISIONS FOR THE CONDUCT AND AND THE GIVING OF NOTICE OF THE ELECTION AND CONTAINING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING THERETO.

A DRAFT OF THE ELECTION ORDER, REFLECTING THE PROPOSED AMOUNT AND SCOPE OF THE PROPOSITION, IS AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW AT ADDISON, TEXAS. GOVERNMENT MEETINGS, AGENDAS OR UPON REQUEST, TO VALENCIA GARCIA, CITY SECRETARY. THE FINAL AMOUNT IN SCOPE OF ANY PROPOSED PROPOSITION TO BE PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS IS WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

PASSION. THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCIL. PASSION. HAYES, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

THIS EVENING I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION AS A FOLLOW UP TO OUR LAST TWO COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS ON THE BOND COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A BOND ELECTION. AS A AS A

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REMINDER, COUNCIL APPOINTED A BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ASSESS AND REVIEW INFORMATION AND OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THE TOWN'S AGING POLICE AND COURTS FACILITY, WITH EACH OF YOU APPOINTING TWO RESIDENTS.

SPEAKING OF OUR RESIDENTS, THE COMMITTEE WAS MADE UP OF 14 MEMBERS, WHICH ARE LISTED HERE AND SOME ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, SO WOULD LIKE TO JUST EXPRESS ONCE AGAIN, A HUGE THANK YOU FOR THEIR TIME AND DEDICATION TO THIS IMPORTANT PROCESS.

AS SHARED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THE COMMITTEE HELD FOUR MEETINGS DATING BACK TO OCTOBER, AND MANY ALSO PARTICIPATED IN OPTIONAL TOURS OF THE CARROLLTON FARMERS BRANCH AND ROANOKE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

FACILITIES. AS PRESENTED TO YOU BY THE BOND COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON.

THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, WHICH INCLUDED 12 OF THE 14 MEMBERS, RECOMMENDED TO CALL A BOND ELECTION IN MAY FOR THE REMODEL OF AN EXISTING BUILDING OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BUILDING FOR POLICE FACILITY NOT TO EXCEED $55 MILLION.

FOR YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THIS EVENING IS AN ORDINANCE TO CALL THE MAY BOND ELECTION WITH THE BOND LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU THAT WILL ALLOW RESIDENTS TO VOTE FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPOSITION. WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED A BOND ELECTION TIMELINE IN THIS PRESENTATION, AND AS REFLECTED, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS ORDINANCE, EARLY VOTING WOULD BEGIN IN APRIL, WITH ELECTION DAY BEING MAY 2ND.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR BOND ATTORNEY HERE WITH US WHO CAN ALSO ASSIST WITH QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. PASSION. MARLON MAYOR PASSION. YOU MENTIONED THAT 12 OUT OF THE 14 COMMITTEE MEMBERS APPROVED WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.

CAN YOU SHARE WHAT EACH OF THE THE THE OTHER TWO WITH THEIR THOUGHTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

I THINK BOTH OF THEM WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE BOND ELECTION CONVERSATION.

I THINK ONE HAD THOUGHTS AROUND A HIGHER AMOUNT, AND ONE THOUGHT MAYBE A DIFFERENT DATE FOR THIS BOND ELECTION.

BUT THE MAJORITY DID VOTE FOR THE 55 MILLION.

OKAY. SO ONE WAS A HIGHER AMOUNT AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS FOR ELECTION, BUT JUST AT A LATER DATE.

OKAY. GOT IT. THANKS. OKAY, RANDY, I THINK MOST OF MY STUFF'S GOING TO BE FOR MR. GLICKMAN. MAYOR AND COUNCIL STEPHEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER MR. GLICKMAN WITH THE. IF WE APPROVE A $55 MILLION BOND, WHAT WILL BE THE TOTAL COST TO THE TAXPAYERS IN 20 YEARS? IN 20 YEARS WITH WITH INTEREST AND FEES? AND WHAT'S 55 MILLION GOING TO COST US? I, I HAVE THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF AROUND $20 MILLION IN INTEREST.

I COULD I COULD LOOK THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER UP, THOUGH.

I DON'T HAVE THAT. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT I'VE COME UP WITH. WITH MY SIMPLE MATH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 75 AND 78 MILLION IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT WITH THE INTEREST RATE.

AND I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT THE THE INTEREST COMPONENT AND THE ESTIMATES THAT ARE IN THE PACKET AND THE BOND INFORMATION DOCUMENT ARE USING A 5% INTEREST RATE. THAT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE BECAUSE WE ARE PREDICTING A FUTURE, A FUTURE INTEREST RATE, WHICH IF WE SOLD THE BONDS TODAY, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 3.75%, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY REDUCE THAT INTEREST COST BY ABOUT 25% FROM THAT ESTIMATE. IT WOULD REDUCE THE TOTAL COST FROM THAT.

CORRECT? OKAY. SO WE ARE IN THE 7070 TO $75 MILLION RANGE SOMEWHERE ALONG IN THERE FOR FOR FINAL COSTS ON THIS.

HAVE YOU DONE I THINK YOU'VE TOLD US THAT YOU'VE DONE PROJECTED PROPERTY TAXES OVER THE NEXT 5 OR 6 YEARS.

HAVE YOU DONE THAT? YES. CORRECT. FOR SPECIFICALLY TO THIS BOND ISSUANCE AND HOW IT MAY AFFECT THE TAX RATE.

RIGHT. AND I THINK WHAT I SAW ON THOSE THAT WILL HAVE SLIGHT INCREASES THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT STARTING IN THE THIRD YEAR, IT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS THAT WE WERE GETTING PRETTY, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY TAX INCREASES. CORRECT? POTENTIALLY, YES. AGAIN, IT'S USING THAT VERY CONSERVATIVE HIGHER INTEREST RATE, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL POINT OUT WHEN WE DID THIS BACK IN 2019, VOTERS WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT A 10.3 CENT INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE.

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THAT HASN'T MATERIALIZED. IT'S BEEN CLOSER TO ABOUT $0.03.

IS THAT IS THAT WHEN THE ELECTION WAS WHEN THEY APPROVED A THESE HIGH PROPERTY TAXES, WAS IT 2019, 20, 2019. WAS THERE WERE THERE WERE FIVE PROPOSITIONS, MOSTLY RELATED TO STREET QUORUM DRIVE, MONTFORD DRIVE KELLER SPRINGS AIRPORT PARKWAY WHERE THE WHERE THE MAJOR PROJECTS.

THAT WAS THE LAST BOND ELECTION WE HAD. AND VOTERS WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE ABOUT A 10.3 CENT INCREASE.

AND THAT'S THE LAST TIME WE'VE HAD AN ELECTION TO. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE BASING THE INCREASE IN YOUR ESTIMATES ON A 3% PROPERTY VALUATION INCREASE OVER THAT TIME. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND HYPOTHETICALLY, WHAT IF WHAT IF PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN? HOW WILL THAT AFFECT US? WELL, IF VALUES GO DOWN, THEN THAT INVERSELY AFFECTS THE RATE.

AND THE RATE POTENTIALLY WOULD BE HIGHER. AGAIN THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS.

AGAIN THE INTEREST RATE BEING THE LARGEST COMPONENT.

YOU KNOW, IF INTEREST RATES IN THEORY WERE HIGHER AS WELL, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE TAX RATE IF THE GROWTH WASN'T THERE, THAT COULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE TAX RATE. AGAIN, IF GROWTH IS HIGHER, THAT WOULD POSITIVELY AFFECT THE TAX RATE PROJECTION.

RIGHT. IF INTEREST RATES ARE LOWER, POSITIVELY AFFECT THE TAX RATE PROJECTION.

I WILL SAY WE LOOKED AT THE LAST I THINK 13 YEARS, WE'VE AVERAGED ABOUT 6% GROWTH.

AND WHEN YOU TAKE OUT SOME OF THOSE COVID YEARS AND SOME OF THOSE REALLY POST GREAT RECESSION YEARS.

WE'VE ONLY HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN BELOW 3% OVER THE LAST 13 YEARS.

RIGHT. THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN FLAT OR NEGATIVE, HAVE THEY NOT? NO. WE HAD 3.2% THIS LAST YEAR. AND PRIOR TO THAT I BELIEVE THE LAST YEAR WAS JUST UNDER 6%.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, THERE THERE IS STEAM GATHERING.

THE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES HERE. AND THIS IS THE WAY WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF PAYING THIS OFF BASED ON PROPERTY TAXES? WELL, SO SO WHEN WE DO ANY KIND OF ANY KIND OF BOND ISSUANCE IT'S ALL BACKED BY PROPERTY TAXES.

NOW, AS FAR AS WHAT WE ACTUALLY REPAY IT WITH IT DOESN'T I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.

I MEAN, THERE'S SOME SALES TAX, THE GENERAL FUND.

IT'S JUST IT'S ALL GENERAL FUND. OUR GENERAL REVENUES ARE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, USED TO TO ESSENTIALLY REPAY THESE BONDS.

NOW WE DO HAVE A PORTION THAT'S DIRECTLY PROPERTY TAX THAT GOES INTO THIS FUND THAT THAT PAYS THIS DEBT.

BUT REALLY THAT THAT'S OFFSET BY ALL THE OTHER REVENUES THAT THE TOWN BRINGS INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THE THERE'S A BIG PUSH IN THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW WITH SEVERAL CANDIDATES RUNNING ON THE PROPOSITION TO ELIMINATE PROPERTY TAXES.

HOW'S THAT GOING TO AFFECT US IF PROPERTY TAXES ARE ELIMINATED? WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN SEVERAL OF THOSE BROUGHT UP.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF IT CENTERS AROUND SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY ALWAYS WHITTLE THEIR WAY DOWN TO, TO INCLUDING THE CITIES AND, AND COUNTIES AND SOME OF THAT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VERY DETRIMENTAL TO PROBABLY ANY CITY.

ALMOST ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY IS PAID FOR BY PROPERTY TAXES.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD TO THINK ABOUT IN THE PAST YEARS ON THIS STUFF, BUT THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S GATHERING STEAM ON THIS.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. STEVEN, ON THE TERM OF THESE BONDS OF THESE 20 YEAR BONDS WE WOULD SELL 20 YEAR BONDS.

20 YEAR BONDS. THE THE INFORMATION SAYS UP TO 40 YEARS, BUT THAT IS THE IS THE MAXIMUM.

BUT WE SELL 20 YEAR BONDS. OKAY. AND, YEAH, I AM THINKING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE ON THE THE THE BOND PROPOSITION VOTE.

SO, SO IN OUR INFORMATION THAT WE OUR FACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, WE WOULD, WOULD WE PUT 20 YEAR BONDS.

WE COULD BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD IN FACT BE SELLING THE BONDS WITH THE TERM OF 20 YEARS.

SO, SO WE COULD I BELIEVE THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE IS JUST REQUIRED THAT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T GO OUT AND SELL 50 YEAR BONDS.

RIGHT? OH, AND I HAVE NO INTEREST OR INCLINATION IN THAT.

I'M VERY CONTENT WITH 20. I JUST THIS THE LANGUAGE IS COULD BE CONFUSING, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I WOULD LOVE TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT WE'RE WHAT THE PLAN IS AND COMMUNICATE THE PLAN. SO I'D LOVE TO. I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER, BUT I IF WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, I SURE WOULD LOVE TO SEE SEE US FROM A INFORMATION SHARING PERSPECTIVE.

SHARE, SHARE. LOCK THAT DOWN AND SHARE THAT. AND IN THE IN THE INFORMATION DOCUMENT THAT'S ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA.

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IT DOES HAVE A 20 YEAR PERIOD WITH THIS BOND ISSUANCE.

SO THAT IS INCLUDED IN THERE. ALL OF THE TAX RATE PROJECTIONS, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED HAS BEEN BASED OFF OF.

OKAY. BUT BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST WHAT WE'RE APPROVING IS THE LANGUAGE AND THE AMOUNT.

IS THAT CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO YEAH I'M THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M JUST SHARING MY THOUGHTS THAT GOING FORWARD, IF THIS PASSES THAT, THAT WE WILL CONTINUE SHARING THAT THAT SAME DURATION.

THANK YOU SIR. SO I JUST WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK THE TWO FOLKS THAT WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING THIS ONE WAS ABOUT TIMING. WHAT WAS WAS THERE MORE DETAIL ON THAT TIMING? SO THERE WAS CONCERN. ONE ONE WAS REFERENCING HAVING THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.

CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD. AND THE OTHER THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A HIGHER AMOUNT TO INCLUDE THE GUN RANGE. YEAH. OKAY. SO, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T LIKE PUTTING IT OFF FOR SIX YEARS TO LET OUR TAX RATE COME BACK DOWN.

WHICH IS NOT NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT I THINK WE HAVE MORE PRESSING ISSUE TO DO SOMETHING AND JUST.

AND THAT THAT MEMBER MAY HAVE HAD OTHER CONCERNS AS WELL, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS MOST VOCAL.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE OTHER CONCERNS, BUT THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS MOST VOCAL AT THE END. OKAY. JUST AND WE I KNOW WE CAN'T QUOTE THE PERSON, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET THE GENERAL WHAT WE WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT IT JUST FOR INFORMATION.

SO JUST AND THIS MAY BE AS A STEPHEN OR A DAVID QUESTION.

SO THE, THE PHILOSOPHY OF USING BONDS VERSUS CASH FUNDING.

AND I'M NOT SAYING WE DRAW DOWN OUR CASH RESERVES TO DO THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE PHILOSOPHY OF USING BONDS IS THAT YOU HAVE FUTURE TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THE THE USE INSTEAD OF CURRENT TAXPAYERS.

SO YOU SPREAD IT OUT OVER TIME. IT'S I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL.

SO I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING THAT PEOPLE TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WILL BE PAYING FOR THE USE OF THAT POLICE STATION AND THAT, THAT RIGHTLY SO. SO AND I'D LIKE TO SEE 20 YEARS ON THE VERBIAGE FOR SURE.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO THE 20 YEARS. THAT'S WHAT WE DO, HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT, TO NOT DRAG IT ON FURTHER. WHAT'S THE USEFUL LIFE OF, OF THE POLICE STATION? 40 TO 50 YEARS. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT WAS HOW OLD IS THE ONE WE HAVE NOW? IS IT 43? YEAH, IT'S 43. OKAY. EVERYTHING'S 43.

SO OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS, HOWARD. SO I FOCUSED ON THE SAME THING AS THESE TWO, BECAUSE I'M READING THAT LANGUAGE AND IT SAYS OVER A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 40 YEARS.

SO JUST TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR, CAN THAT BE CHANGED TO 20? THIS ISN'T SOME RULE THAT WE HAVE TO PUT THE 40 IN HERE.

I WILL DEFER TO JULIE PARTAIN IN THERE. I BELIEVE THAT LANGUAGE IS STATUTORY, SO I'LL LET HER.

LET HER. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. YOU CAN LIMIT IT.

IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO 20 YEARS AND 40 AS OPPOSED TO 40, YOU CAN DO THAT.

THE REASON WE DON'T DO IT, IT'S NOT COMMON TO DO IT, IS BECAUSE IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, RIGHT, AND THE MARKET WERE NOT TO BE THERE, OR YOU HAD SOME REASON AND YOU NEEDED TO ISSUE THAT DEBT OVER 21 YEARS, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT. IT COULD IMPACT THE AMOUNT THAT YOU COULD ULTIMATELY ISSUE.

BUT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY UP TO YOUR DISCRETION. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE IN THE ACTUAL BOND PROPOSITION ITSELF TO 20 YEARS, WE CAN DO THAT. IT WOULD RESTRICT YOU. THANK YOU.

YEAH. I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IF THIS THING PASSES, LIKE, I HOPE IT WILL I CAN SEE US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO GO OVERNIGHT AND JUST GRAB 55 MILLION.

SO IT WOULD BE NICE JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CUSHION THERE.

I'M NOT NOT EXCITED ABOUT 40 YEARS, BUT BUT DEFINITELY 20 YEARS WOULD NOT WORK FOR ME IF WE CHANGE IT TO 30, I COULD I COULD DO THAT, BUT BUT I DEFINITELY THINK IT'D BE A BAD IDEA TO TRY TO LIMIT LIMIT OURSELVES WITH A 20, 20 YEARS. OKAY. READY? THANK YOU. MR. GLICKMAN AGAIN.

MEDIAN. MEDIAN HOME PRICE IN ADDISON. WE FIGURE THAT ON ABOUT, WHAT, 535? SOMEWHERE JUST OVER 500,000. I BELIEVE THE THE MEDIAN TAX TAXABLE VALUE IS ABOUT 500, I THINK 511 THIS LAST YEAR.

LET'S JUST SAY 500,000. JUST MAKE AROUND WITH A 3% INCREASE OVER THE YEARS.

BY THE TIME WE GET DONE WITH THIS, IT'LL BE IN THE $600,000 RANGE.

OKAY. HAVE YOU. WHAT? WHAT WILL EACH HOME HAVE PAID ON THIS POLICE STATION BY THE END OF THAT? BY THE END OF 20 YEARS? AT LEAST. WELL, YOU KNOW, IF IF THIS BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD START OUT ABOUT JUST OVER 500, NOT 500, $300 A YEAR, ABOUT $310 A YEAR.

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SO YOU COULD SAY AROUND, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 6000, PROBABLY OVER 20 YEARS.

OKAY. ABOUT 6000. CORRECT. OKAY. THE YOU KNOW, WHEN THE COMMITTEE STARTED AND WE ALL APPRECIATE THEIR WORK.

THE DART VOTE WAS NOT HONEST AT THAT POINT. NOW IT IS.

I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE US HOLD OFF TILL NOVEMBER ON THIS ELECTION TO SEE HOW THE ELECTION GOES.

AND THAT WILL GIVE US A WINDOW OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS POLICE STATION, SHOULD WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PULLOUT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN THREE YEARS, WE'LL BE GETTING THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING ALL OF OUR TAX MONEY.

BOTH BOTH PENNIES. AND WE WILL HAVE PAID THAT'S WHEN THE MOST DEBT WILL START BEING ISSUED, RIGHT? SO 2 TO 3 YEARS OUT, WE'LL START ISSUING THE MOST DEBT TO ACTUALLY START CONSTRUCTION ON THE STATION.

IT'S WHEN MOST OF THE REPAYMENT WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR.

MOST OF THAT'S A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT. THANK YOU.

MOST OF THE REPAYMENT WOULD START SO THEY WOULD COINCIDE WITH US HAVING PAID DART OFF AND NOW STARTING TO PAY FOR THE DEBT.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE OUR WINDOW AFTER MAY TO SEE.

IT WOULD GIVE ME A FAR MORE COMFORTABLE PICTURE OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS POLICE STATION.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYONE THAT HAS EVER SAID ANYTHING ON THIS POLICE STATION.

WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. IT'S IT'S TIRED. IT'S THE PAIN FOR IT THAT I AM STAYING UP AT NIGHT WONDERING HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. AND I JUST CANNOT PUT THAT ON OUR TAXPAYERS.

AT THIS POINT, NOT KNOWING HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE NUMBERS. OKAY. ANYTHING FROM DAN OR CHRIS? I'LL JUMP IN. YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE DO SOME SORT OF A PUBLIC SURVEY AND SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT PUBLIC SERVICE FIRE SAFETY, FIRST RESPONDERS ALWAYS COMES TO TOP OF MIND.

SO I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH RANDY ON THAT. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE GO TO BED AT NIGHT WONDERING ABOUT THEIR TAX BURDEN, KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN NORTH TEXAS AND POSSIBLY THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS IN TERMS OF RESPONSE TIMES IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF SERVICE THEY'RE DESERVING OF A NEW POLICE STATION. AND I DON'T, I DON'T I DON'T FEEL THE CRUX OF IT IS THAT THE TAXPAYERS DON'T WANT TO FUND IT AND THEY WANT TO WAIT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINTS ABOUT DART AND THAT POTENTIAL VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD THIS PROCESS UP AND JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEARLY KNOWN, THAT I THINK OUR POLICE AND FIRST RESPONDERS ARE DESERVING.

THANK YOU. DAN. CHRIS. YEAH. THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS, I MEAN, THIS IS A PROJECT.

WE'VE ALREADY WE'VE ALL SAID IT. WE'VE GOT TO DO WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER.

JUST DELAYS THE PROJECT AND THERE'S COSTS INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT.

SO I'M SUPPORT NO MORE THAN THE 55 MILLION. AND PUTTING IT ON THE MAY BALLOT.

THANK YOU. CHRIS. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, RANDY.

IT'S HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD. REALLY GOOD QUESTION. I DIDN'T YOU KNOW, I DID THINK ABOUT THAT BUT I DIDN'T DRILL THE NUMBER DOWN.

SO $310 A YEAR IS $0.84 A DAY. AND WHENEVER YOU TAKE IT DOWN TO THE DAY, IT ALWAYS SEEMS SMALL.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I DON'T WANT TO BELITTLE THAT. AND BUT PEOPLE ARE ON FIXED INCOMES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND $6,000 OVER 20 YEARS. $310. I THINK I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT ALSO. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOING WITH REASONABLE WHAT'S RESPONSIBLE AND REASONABLE.

SO I'M GOOD WITH $0.84 A DAY FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS AND TALK ABOUT THE THE VALUE OF FUTURE MONEY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT'S WORTHLESS TODAY, THAT FUTURE MONEY.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY THAT'S MY LAST COMMENT. THE OTHER THING, ONE OTHER THING IS WE'RE VOTING TO LET THE CITIZENS VOTE.

THAT'S THAT'S IT. WE'RE VOTING. LET THE CITIZENS VOTE.

YOU'RE CORRECT. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO HOLD UP A VOTE? WHY WOULD I WANT TO HOLD UP A VOTE? SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS GOING INTO MAY.

AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT WITH A 20 YEAR.

CAN I STOP? DO I HAVE TO STOP? WHAT? WHAT'S THAT? WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT. I'M SORRY. HE'S MAKING A MOTION.

HE CAN DO THAT, AND SOMEBODY CAN. SECOND, WE CONTINUE TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION.

I WON'T, I WON'T MAKE THE MOTION JUST YET. I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE SIX B OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A AND COULD YOU GIVE US MORE SPECIFICS DOWN ON THE AMOUNT.

$55 MILLION BOND ELECTION FOR MAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU. DAN I'LL SECOND AND SECOND FROM CHRIS AND DISCUSSION.

GO AHEAD. WELL, I WAS HOPING BEFORE WE MADE THE MOTION WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE 40 YEARS, BECAUSE I JUST THINK 40 YEARS IS TOO LONG AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO SCARE OFF VOTERS. AND SO I PERSONALLY AM IN FAVOR OF THE BOND ELECTION.

I HAVE PROS AND CONS FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT MONTHS.

I MEAN, MAY OR NOVEMBER, I COULD ARGUE FOR EITHER ONE.

AND I BUT I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT 40 YEARS, SO MAYBE 20 IS TOO SHORT, BUT 40 IS TOO LONG.

AND I WAS HOPING WE COULD SOLVE THAT BEFORE WE MADE THE MOTION.

BUT YEAH, I'VE GOT THE SAME CONCERN. AND SO I WAS GOING TO ASK DAVID, DAVID, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE BOND LANGUAGE FROM 40 TO 30, IT IS VERY UNLIKELY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ISSUE 20 YEAR DEBT.

IT'S VERY UNLIKELY WE ISSUE ANYTHING LONGER THAN 20 YEARS.

SO IF YOU SAY, YEAH, AND I'M NOT SO IF YOU SAY 30 YEARS, WE WERE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

OKAY. OKAY. SO CAN IF WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE AMEND THE MOTION.

YEAH I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE 20. SO DO YOU NEED AN AMENDMENT A MOTION TO AMEND.

I'M ASKING DAN IF HE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND HIS MOTION. OKAY.

TO TO LIMIT IT TO 20 TO 20 TO 20 YEAR 30. DO YOU MEAN 30? I WAS SUGGESTING 30 YEARS FOR THE LANGUAGE. FOR THE LANGUAGE IN THE BOND PROPOSITION.

OKAY. FROM 40 YEARS TO TO 30 YEARS. SO. SO THAT WOULD GIVE US IF IT PASSED, IT WOULD GIVE US A GOOD AMOUNT OF LEEWAY.

BEFORE WE ISSUE THESE 20 YEAR BONDS. OKAY. GOT IT.

DAN, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN AMENDING YOUR MOTION? I'M OKAY TO MOTION. MAKE THE MOTION TO AMEND SIX B $55 MILLION TO A 30 YEAR WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE VOTERS CAN BE EDUCATED ABOUT IT BEING A 20 YEAR BOND. BUT IF IT NEEDS 30 IN TERMS OF PAYMENT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES, I'M UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. THANK YOU DAN AND CHRIS.

YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE SECOND ON THAT? YES. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

ALL RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ONE OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM IS APPROVED.

THANKS, EVERYBODY. WHO WAS OPPOSED? WHAT? WHO WAS OPPOSED? RANDY. OKAY. SIX. SEE ITEM SIX. SEE PRESENT. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE CALLING AND ORDERING THE MAY 2ND,

[c. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance calling and ordering the May 2, 2026 General Election.]

2026 GENERAL ELECTION. VALENCIA.

OKAY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. VALENCIA GARCIA, CITY SECRETARY.

HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE MAY 2026 GENERAL ELECTION ORDER.

THIS WOULD BE FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL SPOTS. THIS YEAR WE CAN GET THIS OUT.

SO WE CONDUCT OUR GENERAL ELECTION FOR CITY COUNCIL SEATS EACH MAY.

THIS YEAR WE HAVE THREE SPOTS FOR ELECTION. EVERYONE IS AT LARGE.

ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN PREPARED IN ENGLISH, SPANISH AND VIETNAMESE FOR THIS ELECTION.

AS WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER ELECTION MATERIALS TO ADMINISTER OUR ELECTIONS, WE CONTRACT WITH DALLAS COUNTY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT.

WE WOULD DO THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR. AND THEN THIS YEAR, THE ADDISON TOWN HALL LOBBY RIGHT OUTSIDE WILL SERVE AS BOTH OUR EARLY VOTING AND ELECTION DAY VOTING SITE. IN ADDISON, AS WE DO TRY TO MAINTAIN ONE EACH YEAR.

SO SOME IMPORTANT DATES FOR THE MAY 2026 GENERAL ELECTION.

WE ARE ALREADY IN THE FILING PERIOD, WHICH BEGAN ON JANUARY 14TH, 2026.

THE LAST DAY TO FILE FOR A PLACE ON THE BALLOT IS THIS FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 13TH.

WE WOULD HOLD A DRAWING FOR PLACE ON THE BALLOT TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 23RD, 2026.

EARLY VOTING WOULD TAKE PLACE APRIL 20TH THROUGH 28TH, WITH ELECTION DAY BEING ON SATURDAY, MAY 2ND THIS YEAR. AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO OFFICIALLY CANVASS THE RESULTS AT A MEETING ON MAY 12TH, 2026, SO THAT I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

VALENCIA. ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE SECTION. WHATEVER. SIX. THANK YOU.

HOWARD. THANK YOU, MARLIN, FOR THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. OUR FINAL ITEM OF THE EVENING, ITEM SEVEN ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

[7. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.]

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SHARE EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS OR CONDOLENCES, ETCETERA. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT HAS ANYTHING TO SHARE? MARTIN. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I DO, I WE'VE JUST APPROVED A BOND PROPOSITION FOR THE POSSIBLE FUTURE

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POLICE FACILITY. AND ALSO OUR ADVANCE ADDISON 2050.

AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT SERVED ON THOSE TWO COMMITTEES.

AND ALL THE STAFF THAT PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EVEN THE CONSULTANTS THAT THAT LED LED THOSE.

SO THAT'S A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING. AND I APPRECIATE THAT HARD WORK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MARLON. RANDY. YES, SIR.

FEBRUARY BEING BLACK HISTORY MONTH, WE ARE IN OUR SECOND MEETING.

WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED OR RECOGNIZED THAT FACT.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RECOGNIZE IT BEING BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND LET OUR RESIDENTS, OUR STAFF ALL KNOW HOW MUCH WE DO APPRECIATE THEM AND UNDERSTAND HISTORY AND AND TRYING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER GOING FORWARD.

SO HAPPY BLACK HISTORY MONTH, EVERYONE. THANK YOU.

RANDY. ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE.