* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:21:02] NOT [00:21:03] HAVE [00:21:03] THIS [00:21:03] ELECTION [00:21:03] IN MAY [2. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.] DIALOGUE AND MORE LIKE UNWILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT THE COMMUNITY'S ANSWER. RECENTLY, AN ALARMING HAIR ON FIRE LETTER WAS, HAS BEEN WIDELY CIRCULATED BY AN UNINFORMED RESIDENT. IT URGES A MAY VOTE AND CLAIMS THAT DELAYING SUCH A VOTE WOULD DENY RESIDENTS THE RIGHT TO VOTE. THAT FRAMING IS INACCURATE. MOVING A VOTE FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER DOES NOT DENY ANYONE A VOICE. IN FACT, NOVEMBER ELECTION TYPICALLY HAVE HIGHER VOTER TURNOUT, MEANING MORE RESIDENTS, NOT FEWER WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. SEVERAL SURROUNDING CITIES ARE ALSO HEADED TOWARD MAY VOTES ON DART, AND MANY ARE ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING WITH DART RIGHT NOW IF THEY ARE ACCEPTABLE. IF THEY ARE, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. TIME'S NOT RIGHT. IF THEY GET, IF THEY GET AN ACCEPTABLE DEAL, THEY TOO COULD PULL OUT OF THE MAY ELECTION. IF ADDISON WAITS TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF THESE VOTES, THE COUNT COULD BE IN A STRONGER NEGOTIATED POSITION. YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. IS IT NOT? NO, I THINK EVERYTHING OKAY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UH, EXCUSE ME. IF THE TOWN, IF ADDISON WAITS TO SEE THE OUTCOMES OF THESE VOTES, THE TOWN COULD BE IN A STRONGER NEGOTIATING POSITION BY NOVEMBER INFORMED BY REAL WORLD RESULTS RATHER THAN THE AVALANCHES OF, OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU WILL SEE IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION. THERE IS ALSO SERIOUS SERVICE CONTINUITY CONCERN IF THE MAY VOTE LEADS TO WITHDRAWALS BY LARGER CITIES, TRAIN AND BUS SERVICE COULD BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY. EDISON HAS NOT YET MADE PROVISIONS FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION PROVIDER. CREATING A NEW OR INDEPENDENT TRANSIT SYSTEM IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE OPTION. IT REQUIRES PLANNING, AGREEMENT, APPROVALS, AND TIME, ALL OF WHICH COULD BE PRESSED BECAUSE OF THE THIS ITEM BEING PLACED UNWISELY BACK INTO THIS AGENDA. A RUSH VOTE RISK LEAVING ADDISON WITHOUT ANY MASS TRANSIT SERVICE TOTAL NOVEMBER AND BEYOND, ADDISON HAS CONTRIBUTED OVER $4 MILLION IN SALES TAX OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS. AGAINST THAT HISTORY, AN ESTIMATED 8 MILLION COST OF A MADE IN NOVEMBER PAUSE SHOULD BE VIEWED AS A COST OF CAREFUL EVALUATION OF A DECADES LONG COMMITMENT. THIS ADDITIONAL TIME WOULD ALLOW CITY STAFF TO VERIFY AND CLARIFY PUBLIC CLAIMS, NEGOTIATE FROM A MORE INFORMED POSITION, PLAN RESPONSIBLY FOR POTENTIAL SERVICE GAPS, PROVIDE RESIDENCE WITH CLEAR FACTUAL INFORMATION, [00:25:01] A RUSH VOTE, RE REWARDS, URGENCY AND MISINFORMATION. A NOVEMBER VOTE IS NEEDED. REWARD IS IF NEEDED, REWARDS, PREPARATION, TRANSPARENCY. THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS NOT WHETHER VOTE SHOULD BE DECIDED. THEY ABSOLUTELY SHOULD. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT SHOULD BE ASKED TO DECIDE UNDER PRESSURE OR WITH PREPARATION RESPECT FOR PRIOR INPUT AND FULL INFORMATION, I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COUNCIL TO NOT HOLD A MAY WITHDRAWAL VOTE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE. THANK YOU, GUILLERMO. NEXT UP IS TYLER PIERCE. MAYOR, JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO THERE, THERE'S AN ISSUE. I'M START, I'M, I'M GETTING TEXTS, LIKE YOU SAID. I'M GETTING ON VIDEO AND AUDIO. IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FIX? WE ARE, WE ARE LIVE NOW. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THEY'RE WORKING OUT RIGHT NOW. IT IT'S BEEN CORRECTED. OH, IT IS NOW? YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, TYLER PIERCE, FOLLOWED BY RON WHITEHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNSEL. PLEASURE TO MEET YOUR ACQUAINTANCE. MY NAME IS TYLER PIERCE AND I AM A RESIDENT HERE IN ADDISON CIRCLE. MY FIANCE AND I BOUGHT OUR UNIT AT 50 55 ADDISON CIRCLE, UH, 11 MONTHS AGO, UM, UNDER THE, UH, INTENTION TO BE ABLE TO USE THE DART WHILE WE ARE LIVING HERE. UM, WE ARE OWNERS OF THE UNIT AND WE ARE, UH, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE ROBUST TRANSPORTATION THAT CURRENTLY RUNS THROUGH ADDISON. I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY, ALL OF WHICH MY FIANCE I ARE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH. UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE CLOSE FRIENDS WITH MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN INDIVIDUALS THAT BOTH, UH, LIVE HERE RENTING AND OWNING WITHIN ADDISON CIRCLE, ALL OF WHOM SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENT. UM, LOOK FORWARD TO THE POSTPONEMENT OF THE VOTE TO A LATER DATE. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, TYLER. NEXT UP WE HAVE RON WHITEHEAD. RON WHITEHEAD, 39 19, BOB AND LANE ADDISON. I USED TO ASK COUNCILS WHAT THEY WANT THE, WANTED THEIR LEGACY TO BE ONCE THEY LEFT COUNCIL. AND I WANT TO STRESS TO YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THIS IS THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION YOU WILL MAKE DURING YOUR TENURE ON COUNCIL AND TO RUSH THAT DECISION TILL MAY IS NOT SMART. AND ONE OF THE THINGS ADDISON HAS BEEN OVER THE DECADES HERE, IF NOTHING ELSE IS SMART. WE HAVE BEEN INCLUSIVE. WE HAVE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO GO FORWARD AND MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. AND I'M CONCERNED THAT I'VE SEEN THE INFORMATION THAT'S OUT ON THE INTERNET. SO MUCH OF IT IS INACCURATE. YOU DON'T, I THINK, REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SALES TAX IF YOU WITHDRAW. YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY GET THAT. YOU CAN'T GO BUILD POLICE STATIONS WITH IT. YOU CAN'T FUND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK THEM FOR PERMISSION FOR HOW YOU USE THAT 1 CENT. AND THEY VERY WELL MAY TELL YOU, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO USE IT AT ALL. WE WANT TO HAVE A SEVEN AND A FOURTH CENT SALES TAX INSTEAD OF AN EIGHT AND WHATEVER IT IS, THREE FOURS. AND SO YOU DON'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY GET THAT MONEY. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GONNA JUST PUT ALL THIS AND REDUCE THE TAX RATE AND DO ALL OF THAT, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC. AND THE SECOND THING IS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES OF YOU ARE THE ANTI-ART CANDIDATES IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION AND WHICH OF YOU ARE THE PRO DART ELECTION. AND I KNOW YOU THAT MAKES YOU SQUIRM AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND THINK ABOUT, WELL, ALL I WANT TO DO IS CALL, LET THE PEOPLE VOTE. NOBODY REALLY BELIEVES THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. NONE OF US DO. WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, WE'RE WATCHING IT. AND WE'LL BE HERE EVERY TIME AND WE'LL SHOW UP AT THE POLLS AND WE'LL VOTE. AND I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO REMEMBER, THIS IS YOUR MOST IMPORTANT DECISION. TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU RON. UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE LAST OF THE COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS THAT I HAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL THAT DID NOT FILL OUT A CARD ALREADY? AND IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND FEEL FREE TO GET IN LINE IF YOU'D LIKE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOE PEDROZA. I LIVE, LIVE AT 15 7 87 SPECTRUM. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK REGARDING THE POTENTIAL ELECTION TO [00:30:01] DETERMINE ADDISON'S FUTURE WITH DART. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL AND INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS OUR TOWN HAS FACED IN DECADES. BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT OF THIS CHOICE, I'M HERE TO ASK THAT IF YOU ARE INCLINED, IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO CALL FOR A VOTE, YOU MOVE THIS ELECTION TO NOVEMBER RATHER THAN MAY. WHILE A MAY ELECTION MIGHT SEEM LIKE A QUICK WAY TO RESOLVE AN ISSUE, IT SIMPLY DOES NOT MAKE THE BEST USE OF VOTER TURNOUT. A DECISION THAT IMPACTS OUR SALES TAX, OUR TRANSIT ACCESS, AND OUR REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS FOR YEARS TO COME DESERVES THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE LEVEL, A LEVEL OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. BY MOVING THE VOTE TO THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION, WE ENSURE THAT OUTCOME REFLECTS THE WILL OF THE GREATEST NUMBER OF ADDISON RESIDENTS. LET'S PRIORITIZE MAXIMUM PARTICIPATION OVER A RUSHED TIMELINE TO ENSURE THIS DECISION HAS THE FULL MANDATE OF THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, JOE. GOOD AFTERNOON, FRAN POWELL. 1 4 7, 9 6 LOCKIN BAR COURT. DIDN'T THINK I WAS GONNA BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK TODAY, SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH PREPARED, BUT, UM, LOTS OF ARTICLES IN THE PAPER RECENTLY ABOUT THIS. UM, AND THERE WAS ONE VERY GOOD, UM, EDITORIAL WITH THE HEADLINE, ADDISON SEAS SILVER LINES VALUE. I'M QUOTING FROM THE NEWSPAPER. ADDISON OFFICIALS WERE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT MASS TRANSIT IN THE 1980S WHEN THEY BOUGHT LAND AROUND THE RAIL CORRIDOR. IN 2019, THE TOWN ADOPTED THE ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIAL AREA STUDY TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE SILVER LINE STATION, WHICH IS FINALLY HERE. UM, ADDISON OBVIOUSLY PLANNED AHEAD AND THE MASS TRANSIT HAS BEEN, IS A, A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS. UM, IN CONTRAST WITH OTHER CITIES, ADDISON HAS A POPULATION OF ONLY ABOUT 17,000. HOWEVER, WE HAVE A DAILY POPULATION OF OVER 125,000 AND AN EVENING POPULATION PROBABLY MATCHING THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE, THE RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA. PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE AREA TO ADDISON, TO THESE RESTAURANTS, TO OUR EVENTS. IF WE DON'T HAVE MASS TRANSIT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME BECAUSE PARKING WON'T BE AVAILABLE. UH, FOR THIS MANY CARS THAT MAY COME IN. WE NEED TO KEEP MASS TRANSIT. I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY THAT SPOKE, SPOKEN. IF THERE HAS TO BE A VOTE, PUT IT OFF UNTIL NOVEMBER, DO NOT HAVE IT IN MAY. WHAT HAPPENS IF ALL THE OTHER CITIES PLAN TO STAY AND ADDISON VOTES TO GO? WE'RE GONNA SEE A TRAIN RUNNING THROUGH THIS TOWN AND NOT STOPPING AND BUSES NOT STOPPING. I MEAN, THAT'S A CRAZY IDEA. WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER, IF AT ALL. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FRAN. HELLO EVERYONE. MY NAME'S DANIEL SMITH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK FOR YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. UH, I'M AN ADDISON RES RESIDENT, PROUD ADDISON RESIDENT. LIVED JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. UH, 50 18 PARKVIEW. UH, MAN, I LOVE THIS CITY. I LOVE SEEING IT GROW. I LOVE TO SEE THE BUSINESSES POP UP AND I LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO THEM AND I LOVE TO SEE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN. AND I WANT TO SAY FIRST AND FOREMOST, ADDISON IS A SERVICE ECONOMY. WE NEED PEOPLE COMING IN TO ECHO WHAT SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THAT SALES TAX IS GENERATED BECAUSE OF SALES, BECAUSE OF SALES OF SERVICES. THE EASIER PEOPLE CAN GET TO US, THE EASIER WE GET. MORE SALES TAX REVENUE. THE ASSESSMENT THAT ERNST AND YOUNG DID, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO THAT THEY ALWAYS ECHO ABOUT COST. THEY TALK ABOUT DOLLARS IN DOLLARS OUT. SO WE SEE THAT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT UNDER 50 CENTS IN THE DOLLAR IN TERMS OF WHAT WE PAY TO DART VERSUS THE SERVICES THAT WE RECEIVE. THAT AGAIN, DID NOT INCLUDE THE STUFF THAT WE GET FROM THE SILVER LINE, BUT IT ALSO DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL THE ANCILLARY BENEFITS. IT DOES NOT FACTOR IN VALUE. IT'S ONLY COST. SO YOU SEE THAT THEY, IF YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT THEIR ASSESSMENT, THEY GOT THAT NUMBER BY LOOKING AT REVENUE MILES PROVIDED BY DART FOR ADDISON OVER TOTAL REVENUE MILES TIMES THE COST THAT WERE ALLOCATED TO DART. THAT'S IT. THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT ALL THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE IN THOSE OPEN FIELDS. THOSE FIELDS AREN'T GETTING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SCARED. BUSINESSES ARE SCARED. BUSINESSES LIKE STABILITY, THEY LIKE CERTAINTY. THEY LIKE TO KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA INVEST MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN OUR ECONOMY, THAT THE REVENUE STREAM THAT THEY'RE BANKING ON ISN'T GOING TO DISAPPEAR. THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SEE. I WANT TO SEE US GROW. I WANNA SEE BUSINESSES BE COMFORTABLE WITH US. I WANT US TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES [00:35:01] BECAUSE I MYSELF AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. AGAIN, I CAN'T REITERATE THIS ENOUGH. I'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH MORE NUMBERS THAT I'VE PULLED UP, BUT I'M NOT GONNA STAND UP HERE BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO A DOZEN NUMBERS COMING OUTTA MY MOUTH. BUT I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO ANY ONE OF YOU AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. DANIEL. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? SURE, COME ON UP. I DIDN'T SIGN THE PAPER AHEAD. NO, IT'S OKAY. JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND OF COURSE, REBECCA COVELL 1 4 6 2 0 VINTAGE LANE, ADDISON, TEXAS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WE THE PUBLIC TO BE HERE. AGAIN. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST OVER A MONTH OR SO AGO WHEN THERE WAS ANOTHER MEETING AND THIS PLACE WAS FULL OF PEOPLE WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS VERY QUESTION AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE WERE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING DART IN THE SILVER LINE AND, AND THE RELATIONSHIP WITH DART. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED THAT SO QUICKLY. HERE IS THIS WORKING SESSION AND THE SAME TOPIC IS BEING CONSIDERED ABOUT PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT. AGAIN. YOU'VE HEARD OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE FROM THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN THAT SAY WE WANT DART WHETHER IT'S THE PARATRANSIT, WHETHER IT'S THE SILVER LINE. WE'VE INVESTED SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY TO PUT THIS THING TOGETHER THAT IT SEEMS INCREDIBLE TO ME THAT THERE WOULD EVEN BE A VOTE ON THIS. THAT THERE'S SO MUCH STRONG SUPPORT FOR KEEPING SO US IN THE SILVER LINE IN DALLAS, UH, DART THAT IT IS JUST UNSPEAKABLE THAT WE WOULD PULL OUT AT THIS POINT. WE'D LOSE OUR ENTIRE INVESTMENT THAT WE'VE MADE TO THIS POINT. IT'S TIME TO CASH IN ON THAT INVESTMENT AND NOT PULL OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU REBECCA. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? COME ON UP. HELLO CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MELINDA ARBUCKLE. I LIVE AT 4 8 2 0 BRIAR GROVE LANE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. UM, 7 5 2 8 7. UH, I'M A LAWYER AND HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO BE HERE AT 4:00 PM ON A TUESDAY, BUT HERE I AM BECAUSE THIS IS REAL IMPORTANT TO ME. UH, I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THE SILVER LINE AND I, WHEN I GO TO JAPAN IN MARCH, I'M GONNA BE TAKING THE SILVER LINE TO DFW AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST ADDISON RESIDENTS WHO ARE REALLY JAZZED ABOUT THIS, BUT I DO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN ADDISON. SO YOU ARE GETTING MY SALES TAX REVENUE. SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S FINE FOR ME TO COME UP AND TALK, BUT ONE OF THE POINTS I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD ADDRESSED IS, THIS IS A CIVIC CONCERN THAT I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IS IF YOU'RE REALLY KIND OF GOING OFF HALF COCKED AND YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD PLAN OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO FOR TRANSIT, IT'S NOT JUST GONNA AFFECT YOUR RESIDENTS, IT'S GONNA AFFECT ALL YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES BECAUSE UNOCCUPIED INFRASTRUCTURE IS BLIGHT. ANYTIME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF INFRASTRUCTURE WITH NO ONE LOOKING OVER IT AND NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE AN INCREASE IN CRIME. PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE THAT, UM, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR UNINTENDED PURPOSES, AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN TO ADDISON. SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY KIND OF POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE. IT'S JUST, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE SILVER LINE. I'M HERE BECAUSE I THINK I, THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION, BUT AS EVERYONE IS TELLING YOU TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND THINK ABOUT ALTERNATIVES BEFORE YOU RUSH A VOTE, I I WANNA ECHO THAT SENTIMENT AS WELL. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MELINDA. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? SURE, COME ON UP. I WASN'T REALLY PREPARED TO SPEAK, BUT HERE. I'M, UM, I WANTED TO FIRST THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK IN ADDISON. I LIVE NEARBY AND I FEEL LIKE ADDISON HAS BEEN, IF YOU WOULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. OH, SORRY. I'M LUIS RIVAS. I LIVE IN, UM, 11 8 2 7 HIGH MEADOW DRIVE, UH, IN NORTH DALLAS. UM, AND, UH, I'M ACTUALLY A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER AND I FEEL LIKE I WASN'T ABLE TO COME FOR THE LAST MEETING WHEN YOU GUYS WERE TRYING TO DECIDE ON WHETHER THIS WAS GONNA BE VOTED ON OR NOT. UM, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY DONE, SO I WAS CELEBRATING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I HEARD THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING AGAIN. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAME THIS TIME AROUND. UM, THE, THE PURPOSE REALLY IS THAT I KNOW THAT THE SILVER LINE JUST OPENED AND THAT ADDISON HAS ALWAYS BEEN PROMOTING PROGRESSIVE VALUES AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PLACE WHERE A LOT OF BUSINESSES CAN THRIVE IN BECAUSE OF THAT. UM, THE MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM ITSELF AND THE WAY THAT IT WORKS, IT ATTRACTS BUSINESSES, IT MAKES ECONOMIC GROWTH HAPPEN. AND IN THE LONG TERM, I FEEL LIKE IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT NEW SILVER LINE OPENING THAT EAST WEST CONNECTION, UM, IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE FOR, FOR EVERYBODY TO BE ON BOARD NATURALLY TO SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY [00:40:01] EXISTING RATHER THAN TRYING TO ADVOCATE TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY SERVING THE COMMUNITY. AND WE CAN ALREADY SEE THE BENEFITS OF HAVING AN EAST WEST CONNECTION THAT DIDN'T EXIST, ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL OF THE MONEY THAT ADDISON HAS ALREADY PUT AN EFFORT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO COME HERE AND REALLY, UH, REINFORCE THAT, UM, NOT JUST ECONOMICALLY, BUT JUST AS A CITY IN ITSELF, THE LONG-TERM VISION OF BEING ABLE TO ATTRACT, UH, FUTURE RESIDENTS, FUTURE BUSINESSES. UM, ADDISON REALLY, UM, HAS ALWAYS BEEN, LIKE I SAID, AT THE FOREFRONT OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SERVING THE COMMUNITY. AND I FEEL LIKE, UM, CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN IN THE DART HAS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, WE REALLY SHOULD, UH, ALL BASICALLY AGREE UPON BECAUSE IT SERVES EVERYBODY ALREADY INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING, ABANDON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY SERVING ITS COMMUNITY. THAT'S ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU LUIS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE THEN WE WILL CLOSE THIS ITEM, ITEM TWO, THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, WE'LL MOVE [3. Council Member Clarification Requests Regarding Consent Agenda Items. ] ON. UM, ITEM THREE, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARIFICATION REQUEST REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED FROM COUNSEL ON CONSENT ITEMS TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. ITEM THREE A COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. UH, GENERALLY COUNSEL WILL, UH, SEND QUESTIONS TO STAFF PRIOR TO THESE, THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, UH, REGARDING AGENDA ITEMS. THOSE QUESTIONS ARE PUT INTO A DOCUMENT, UH, COMPILED ALL INTO ONE DOCUMENT AND SENT OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT SAME DOCUMENT IS UPLOADED TO OUR WEBSITE. AND SO ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT Q AND A DOCUMENT, IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, PULL UP THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING, THERE'LL BE A LINK THERE THAT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THAT PDF DOCUMENT OF THE Q AND A FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MEETING. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT, UM, SO WE'LL GO [a. Present and discuss the City Council Rules & Procedures.] AHEAD AND GO ON TO ITEM FOUR A. THE, UH, ON THE WORK SESSION REPORTS, UH, FOUR A IS PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE CITY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES. AND I BELIEVE VALENCIA IS GONNA WALK US THROUGH THAT MAYOR AND COUNCIL, VALENCIA GARCIA, CITY SECRETARY HERE TO DISCUSS CITY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES. UH, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM. UH, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AT PREVIOUS WORK SESSION TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO KIND OF LOOK THROUGH OUR CURRENT COUNSEL RULES AND PROCEDURES. UM, OUR MOST RECENT UPDATES OCCURRED IN 2017 AND 2024, AND THIS DOCUMENT JUST BASICALLY STANDARDIZES OUR PROCEDURES AND PROCESSES REGARDING THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS HERE. UM, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS JUST, WE'LL BRIEFLY WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE, UM, SECTIONS IN THE DOCUMENT. UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT, UH, YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO MAKE THEM AT THAT APPROPRIATE SECTION. OKAY. SO WE'LL START WITH A SUMMARY OF SECTION ONE. THIS IS JUST COVERING OUR MEETING TYPES. UM, OUR REGULAR MEETING THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, SPECIAL MEETINGS THAT CAN BE CALLED BY COUNCIL AS WELL AS OUR WORK SESSION ONLY MEETINGS. UM, SECTION TWO OUTLINES OUR PROCESSES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDAS. UM, MOSTLY THE ITEM REQUESTS AND MEETING DEVELOPMENT, HOW THAT WORKS. UM, POSTING AGENDAS AND PACKET DISTRIBUTION TO THE COUNCILS, UM, AND ALSO ENSURING OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. ANY QUESTIONS ON SECTION ONE OR TWO? WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS AND EACH SECTION, IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS OR IF WE WANT ANY SUGGESTED CHANGES OR ANYTHING, WE'LL DO IT AS WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT. YES, YES. OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY. RIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE INTO SECTION THREE. MAYOR, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A QUESTION YOUR MOTHER. I WASN'T PREPARED TO GO IN THIS ORDER, BUT I'LL WORK WITH IT. UM, SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD WAS, UM, UH, ON THE AGENDA WHEN WE HAVE CO-SPONSORS, UM, I THINK MAINLY WE, WE LIST, WE SAY A LITTLE SOMETHING IN THE AGENDA CAPTION ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO THAT ALL OF THE TIME OR IF WE'VE DONE THAT ALL THE TIME. BUT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, IS THAT, UH, GOING FORWARD, THAT IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO JUST, UH, HAVE THE NAMES WHO HAVE WHOEVER PUT THE AGENDA ITEM ON. I THINK IT'D BE CLEAR, UM, TO EVERYBODY AND HELPFUL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED TO THE CAPTION, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA. SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ON THE PRESENTATION. SO ON THE, WE ARE NOW PUTTING IT ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT ON THE CAPTION IT'S ALSO WHY ON, ON THE SAME PAGES AS MARLON. [00:45:02] OKAY. OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? ARE, IS YOUR SUGGESTION ONLY IF TWO COUNCIL PEOPLE PUT THAT ON OR ANY, ANY, ANY, ANY, ANY, ANY ONE. ANY ONE. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE IF, IF WE HAD, UM, TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M JUST GONNA USE THIS SCENARIO, PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT PRESENT. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE STAFF HAD PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. SO, UM, JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL. WE PLACED IT ON THE ITEM. THE QUESTION'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHETHER WHERE IT COMES FROM AN ITEM, WHERE IT COMES FROM, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY MANAGER, WHETHER IT'S THE COUNCIL DIRECTION IN THE WHOLE COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR OR THE TWO COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT PUT IT ON. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE, THE WHOLE, WELL, UNLESS IT'S, UNLESS IT'S REQUESTED BY TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S GONNA BE COMING FROM, UH, FROM, FROM CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR. AND SO I THOUGHT THE MAYOR, THAT'S THE DEFAULT. I THOUGHT THE MAYOR COULD PUT IT ON THEIR INDEPENDENT CITY MANAGER. THE MAYOR CAN, BUT HE'LL DO IT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ON THERE. ME TOO. YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT ON THERE. IT, IT'S, IT'S THE FUTURE MAYORS MAY, UM, JUST PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA WITHOUT COLLABORATION WITH CITY MANAGER. SO I'D LIKE TO SAY IF, IF IT IS CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR, THAT'S, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE, HAVE IT ON THERE. IF IT'S JUST THE MAYOR, THEN JUST THE MAYOR OR JUST THE CITY MANAGER. CITY MANAGER. THAT'S MY INPUT. OKAY. OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? CHRIS? DAN? ANYBODY? RANDY? I WOULD, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU DARREN. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS COUNCIL IF, BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT POLICIES GOING FORWARD, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEXT MAYOR MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN THE CURRENT MAYOR. SO I, I JUST THINK THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO KNOW. AND THEY CAN AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY AMEND THESE ABSOLUTELY. SAME THINGS GOING FORWARD TOO. SO IT REALLY APPLIES TO THIS COUNCIL AND I AGREE WITH OR UNTIL AMENDED. YES, I AGREE. CHRIS, DID YOU, NO, I HAVE NO COMMENT. OKAY. DAN, I'M GOOD IF WE HAVE THE AUTHOR, IF IT'S LISTED. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ANY ISSUES WITH THAT, DAVID, THAT YOU THINK OF? SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE SAYING FOR ANY REGULAR ITEM, YOU JUST WANT IT TO SAY CITY MANAGER EACH TIME THAT WE HAVE A REGULAR ITEM THAT GOES ON THE AGENDA? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING. I MEAN, IS THAT UNUSUAL? IT'S UNUSUAL, BUT WE CAN DO IT. IT'S NO PROBLEM. OKAY. I'LL LET MY PEERS THEN WEIGH IN ALSO. WELL, I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS, IT'S LIKE THE MAYOR ALREADY SAID IT'S ONLY GONNA COME FROM EITHER TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS 'CAUSE THEY REQUESTED TO PUT ON THE AGENDA OR IT'S GONNA COME FROM THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER. SO IF THERE'S NOT A COUNCIL, IF, IF THERE'S NOT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AGENDA ITEM, THEN I THINK ANY REASONABLE PERSON CAN ASSUME IT CAME FROM THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER. BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. YEAH. I, AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, I DON'T THINK THE CHARTER SAYS IN COLLABORATION WITH, I THINK, I THINK THE MAYOR CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA ON IT ON HIS OWN. IT'S NOT LIKE SOME COLLABORATION THING. AS CAN THE CITY MANAGER, AS CAN THE CITY MANAGER, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD FOR TRANSPARENCY. THE PUBLIC KNOWS IN ADVANCE. IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S ONE LINE ON THEIR AGENDA CAPTION, UM, REQUESTED BY OR ADDED BY CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER, MAYOR. SO, UH, CLARIFICATION, UH, MANY TIMES FOR WORK SESSIONS ESPECIALLY, I PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA AT DIRECTION OF COUNCIL. THERE COULD BE A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION WHERE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS GAVE DIRECTION. DO YOU WANT IT TO SAY CITY MANAGER AT COUNCIL DIRECTION? I WOULD THINK SO, YES. OKAY. I I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU JUST PUT THINGS ON THERE. I THINK YOU GET DIRECTION FROM US. I'VE SEEN THAT OVER THE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR SURE AT DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL FOR CLARIFICATION FROM MARLON'S POINT, I WAS JUST ONLY LOOKING FOR IT TO BE THE AUTHORS COMING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, SORRY, NOT FROM THE MAYOR OR THE CITY MANAGER. SO STRICTLY IF WE ADD SOMETHING LIKE TONIGHT, IT WAS DARREN AND HOWARD, IT'S AUTHORED BY, IT'S CLEAR AND CONCISE. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR MAYOR EVERY SINGLE SESSION, EVERY SINGLE ITEM TO BE ADDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DAN. CHRIS, I, I'M, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU ARE ON THIS ? I, I THINK IF, IF WE, IF WE WANT TO MAKE THE DESIGNATION THAT THERE WERE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT PUT AN AGENDA ON OR PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND I'M, I'M THE EXACT SAME PLACE. HOWARD, YOUR THOUGHTS? I'M PUSHING THE WRONG, I HAVEN'T REALLY WEIGHED IN BECAUSE I'M, I'M NOT SURE I EVEN CARE WHO PUT [00:50:01] IT ON. I MEAN, IF IT'S THERE, IT'S THERE AND WE JUST DEAL WITH IT. I MEAN, I'M FINE TO HAVE MY NAME LISTED IF I SPONSOR IT. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE MAYOR OR THE CITY MANAGER PUTS THEM ON. I DON'T KNOW IF AT COUNCIL DIRECTION IS IMPORTANT. SO I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT 'EM THERE. I DON'T CARE. SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST KINDA NEUTRAL ON THIS ISSUE. IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. SO WHATEVER THE MAJORITY OF THE REST THINK I'M GOOD WITH THAT. WELL YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF THE DECIDING FACTOR HERE. WELL, I'M THE DECIDING FACTOR. OUCH. . WELL THEN PUT THE NAMES ON THERE, BUT PUT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS' NAMES FOR SURE. AND SO THE QUESTION IS JUST MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOWN TO? YEAH, BECAUSE BACK, THAT'S A DEFAULT SETTING THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM. UM, OR WELL, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, SAY IT BEFORE I SAY IT. OH, OH NO, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S, TO ME, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S THAT BIG OF AN ASK. UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO KNOW WHO, WHO PLACES IT ON THE AGENDA. SO IT IT, TO BE ON THE AGENDA, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA COME FROM TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, OR THE MAYOR OR THE CITY MANAGER. WELL, I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN PUTTING WHO IT CAME FROM. SO I GUESS FOR TRANSPARENCY, WE'LL JUST LIST WHOEVER DID IT. MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WOULD, I WOULD GO THAT WAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SLIDE? OKAY, GO AHEAD VALENCIA. NO. UH, SO SECTION THREE COVERS OUR COUNCIL MEETING. PROCEDURES IS A GENERAL GUIDE FOR OUR MEETINGS UTILIZING PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. UM, THIS JUST KIND OF COVERS THE MAYOR'S RESPONSIBILITIES AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER TALKS ABOUT OUR AGENDA ITEM PRESENTATIONS, AS WELL AS COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS, HOW THAT GOES FOR THE ITEMS, AS WELL AS MOTION AND VOTING PROCEDURES FOR THE ITEMS. WE ALSO HAVE OUR PROCEDURES FOR CLOSED SESSION, UM, AND REMOTE ATTENDANCE GUIDELINES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. SECTION FOUR COVERS OUR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION AT MEETINGS. UM, SO IT REALLY JUST SETS OUR GUIDELINES FOR CITIZENS WHO CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. UM, REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, WHICH RIGHT NOW ARE THE IN-PERSON VERBAL COMMENTS. AND THEN THE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK ON THESE SECTIONS? ANYTHING ON SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR? YEAH, I'VE GOT A, A THOUGHT I JUST WANTED TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT AND THEN I DO HAVE A, UH, A QUESTION FOR, FOR A POSSIBLE CHANGE THAT I THINK MAKES SENSE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS ON THREE H, UM, IT'S REFERRING TO COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSTAINING, AND THEN IT, AND THEN IT GOES ON TO, UH, TO OTHER, OTHER PARTS AND, AND, AND ALLOWS, UH, ALLOWS THEM A COUNCIL MEMBER TO ABSTAIN FOR SOME TYPE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND SO FORTH. BUT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR, FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER TO ABSTAIN JUST BECAUSE THEY'D LIKE TO ABSTAIN. AND SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS OR SO. AND I JUST KINDA WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT SO THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT. THE, UM, THE ITEM THAT I HAVE IN QUESTION, UH, FOR A POSSIBLE UPDATE IS, UH, SECTION FOUR C. I'M GONNA READ, READ THE PARAGRAPH AND, AND I WANT, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ALREADY DOING, BUT THE, UH, PROCEDURES DON'T, DON'T QUITE STATE WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN IT UP. UH, FOUR C SAYS EMAIL OR WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, OH, GIVE ME TWO SECONDS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN REQUESTED TO BE PART OF THE RECORD WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED DURING THE MEETING, BUT NOT READ INTO THE RECORD. UH, AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, EMAIL OR WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED TO BE PART OF THE RECORD WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES OF THE RESPECTIVE MEETING. AND SO THE, THE FIRST SENTENCE THERE WOULD, UH, IMPLIES THAT, UM, UM, IF SOMEBODY REQUESTED FOR IT TO BE READ IN THE RECORD, THAT IT WOULD BE READ IN THE RECORD. AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS WE JUST, WE WE CLEAN UP THE, THE SENTENCE TO SAY EMAIL A WRITTEN COMMENTS, UM, WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED DURING THE MEETING, BUT NOT READ INTO THE RECORD. SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT FIRST SENTENCE ISN'T NECESSARY? UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER TO OUR, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL ON WHAT, HOW WE NEED TO WORDSMITH THAT. BUT, BUT BASICALLY I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THAT IT, IT'S NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA DO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT READING IT DURING THE MEETING. RIGHT. BUT WE'LL ATTACH IT, UH, TO THE MINUTES FOR THE RECORD. SO THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAD. AND SO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE ACTUALLY TO, SO IT APPLIES IN BOTH SCENARIOS. 'CAUSE CURRENTLY WE HAVE IT SPLIT WHERE IF THEY ASK NOT TO BE PART OF THE RECORD, WE DON'T MAKE IT PART OF THE RECORD VERSUS IF THEY ASK TO BE PART OF IT, WE [00:55:01] DO. AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS REGARDLESS IF THEY ASKED TO BE IN IT OR NOT, IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE RECORD, UH, NOT READ INTO PART OF THE RECORD, CORRECT. BUT ACKNOWLEDGE IN PART OF THE MINUTES, CORRECT. CORRECT. WHICH I WOULD AGREE WITH. CORRECT. THAT, THAT GETS, I MEAN, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD IN THE PAST IS WE'RE READING, WE'RE READING A LOT OF THINGS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING BEYOND, WELL BEYOND THREE MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES AND SO FORTH. IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UH, TRICKY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHANGE. I'M, I'M, I'M RECOMMENDING OR SUGGESTING. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE, AS A GOOD CHANGE, A GOOD, UH, REWORK ON THAT, NICOLE? YEAH. SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT IT WOULD, SHOULD NOW READ EMAIL OR WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED DURING THE MEETING, BUT NOT READ INTO THE RECORD AND WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES OF THE RESPECTIVE MEETING. THAT'S GREAT. PERFECT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THESE, THOSE TWO SECTIONS? YES SIR. PLEASE. SURE. RANDY. UH, WE DISCUSSED EARLIER ABOUT EXTENDING PUBLIC COMMENT. HAS THAT TAKEN, I MEAN, WE USED TO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IN WORK SESSIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND NOW WE'RE ALLOWING THAT? CORRECT. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. THAT PERFECT. THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE I'VE ALSO BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS. UH, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE ADDISON RESIDENTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE TO THE PODIUM FIRST. AND I JUST, I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE OUR RESIDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE NON-RESIDENTS IS ALL I'M ASKING. OKAY. THOUGHTS ON THAT? GO HOWARD. I, I AGREE WITH RANDY ON THAT. I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WE HAVE MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SPEAKERS, THAT THAT'S A COURTESY WE SHOULD GIVE TO OUR RESIDENTS. UM, WHEN OUR RESIDENTS SPEAK, IT CARRIES MORE WEIGHT WITH ME. AND I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE FEELS THAT WAY. I CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR, UH, CITY LIMITS. BUT, UH, I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN ADDISON, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE COURTESY OF SPEAKING FIRST. THANK YOU. YEAH. JUST TO FOLLOW UP, BUT WHAT ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE IN OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT THEY OPERATE HERE, THEY'VE GOT, UH, A BUSINESS ADDRESS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY LIVE HERE. IF THAT WAS DIRECTED AT ME BUSINESS OR RESIDENT LOCATED IN ADDISON, IF, IF THEY'RE A BUSINESS IN ADDISON, TO ME IT'S THE SAME THING. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY COMMENT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD ONE, MARLIN. BUT THEN, SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE PROCESS ALL THIS? IS, IS EVERYONE GONNA COME IN AND THEN HAVE TO SHOW THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, I, I DO OWN A, A BUSINESS IN ADDISON. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WELL, THEY, THEY DO PUT THEIR ADDRESS ON THE, UH, ON THE CARD, SO THAT WOULD BE APPARENT THERE OR A BUSINESS. HOW CAN WE DO THAT? BUT I GUESS IF THEY PUT THEIR, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR PERSONAL ADDRESSES, I THINK, AREN'T WE? BUT IT, IT ASKS FOR AN ADDRESS AND, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A BUS, A BUSINESS, A BUSINESS OWNER MAY PUT THEIR HOME ADDRESS AND THEY PUT, MAY PUT THEIR BUSINESS ADDRESS ON THERE. SO IT COULD COM MAKE IT A LITTLE COMPLICATED. OKAY. OKAY. DAN, HEY, ON THE COMMENT CARD, WOULD IT BE OKAY THEN TO MAYBE ADD A BOX JUST AS BUSINESS OWNER, ADDISON BUSINESS OWNER, AND THEY CHECK THE BOX AND WHATEVER ADDRESS THEY USE IS IRRELEVANT TO CLARIFY THAT POSSIBLE? IS THAT LEGAL? WE, WE CAN UPDATE THE CARD. THAT'S, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S EASY. YOU JUST ANSWERED THE QUESTION. THEN WE JUST CHECK THE BOX AND WE KNOW THEY'RE A BUSINESS OWNER. THANKS. MM-HMM . YEAH, JUST, JUST TO COMMENT THAT, UM, THAT THE SCENARIO JUST PLACES A LOT OF, UH, WORK AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTS THE LEADER OF THE MEETING, THE, THE MAYOR AND, AND A LITTLE COULD, IT COULD BE A LITTLE DICEY, UH, UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION. I, I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE MAYOR AND, AND, AND BE TELLING FOLKS, APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING UP, BUT GET IN THE BACK OF THE LINE IF YOU DON'T LIVE OR OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS IN ADDISON. SO I JUST, I I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE OPTICS OF THAT. UM, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UH, WHETHER IT'S MAYOR ARSON OR, OR ANOTHER MAYOR, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT A LOT ON THEIR PLATE LEADING THE MEETING. THEY, THEY DON'T NEED MORE WORK LIKE THIS. I DON'T SEE THAT IT SHOULD BE CODIFIED. I THINK IT'S A, IT WOULD BE A COURTESY TO DO SO. UH, BUT WE HAVE IT, UH, SO LITTLE OCCASION THAT THIS HAPPENS MAYBE EVERY SIX YEARS. UM, AND SO I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT TO PUT IN THERE. YEAH. BECAUSE THE GENERAL PRACTICE HAS BEEN THAT PRETTY MUCH THEY COME IN, WE, THEY GET CALLED IN IN THE ORDER THAT WE GET THE CARDS, BUT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MIGHT TURN IN A CARD TO ONE STAFF MEMBER OR SOMEBODY TURNS IT INTO ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER, SO YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO CAME FIRST. UM, SO [01:00:02] IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE RANDOM IN THE ORDER, WHICH I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T MIND DOING IT THAT WAY. I, I WOULDN'T MIND, I DON'T MIND IF YOU GUYS, IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO DO, UH, ADDISON RESIDENCE AND BUSINESS FIRST, I'M KIND OF A KIND OF AMBIGUOUS ON THAT EITHER WAY. SO A QUESTION FOR CLARITY. DO WE KNOW IF COMPARATOR CITIES DO IT THAT WAY? MEANING PRIORITIZE? I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK SO. I DIDN'T BELIEVE SO. YEAH. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CITIES HAVING THAT AS A STANDARD PROCESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS A MAYOR RUNS A AS MEETING THEY CAN HAVE DISCRETION ON OFTEN ON, YEAH. I, I WOULD FOLLOW WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, WHICH IS NOT PRIORITIZING ONE OVER THE OTHER. I, SPEAKING OF COM I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD COMPARATOR CITIES, BUT OTHER CITIES, THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT ALLOW COUNCIL TO INTERACT WITH SPEAKERS AS WELL DURING THE, DURING THE MEETING. UM, AND I, AND I KNOW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT, IT'S POSTED. UH, I WOULDN'T, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD PROCESS IF THEY CAME UP WITH A QUESTION AND WE HAD AN ANSWER TO BE ABLE TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO A QUESTION. I, I, I SEE NO PROBLEM INTERACTING WITH THE SPEAKER THAT COMES UP. UM, AND AS FAR AS OPTICS GO, I THINK THE OPTICS OF LETTING OUR CITIZENS GO FIRST IS THE OPTIC THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEAL, AND THIS IS NOT THE HILL I WANT TO DIE ON, SO IT, IT, IT'S JUST A, A COMMENT AND A SUGGESTION. BUT, UH, OTHER CITIES DO INTERACT WITH SPEAKERS IF THE, IF THE COMMENT IS ON AN AGENDA ITEM THAT HAS BEEN POSTED, THERE'S NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT THAT. SO, UH, I I, I WOULD JUST LIKE, THE WORD TRANSPARENCY HAS COME UP MANY TIMES TONIGHT. THAT'S JUST A WAY OF BEING TRANSPARENT. SO, UH, AND NICOLE CAN, CAN ADD TO THIS ANSWER, BUT RIGHT NOW WE CAN GIVE FACTUAL ANSWERS. IF SOMEONE, ANYONE COMES TO THE PODIUM AND HAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION, WE CAN GIVE A FACTUAL ANSWER TO THEIR QUESTION. WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS HAVE DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH. BUT NICOLE CAN ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. I, I WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, AND, AND WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING THAT FACTUAL ANSWER TYPICALLY WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER. AND THAT'S PERFECT. AND I I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT. YEAH. TO CLARIFY TO, I'M OKAY IF WE ENGAGE AND ANSWER A QUESTION WITH ANYONE. ANSWER ANYONE AT THAT MICROPHONE. I'M NOT AGAINST THAT AT ALL. IN TERMS OF GETTING A FACTUAL ANSWER BACK TO THE, THE QUESTION BEING ASKED. ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU PROVIDE? WELL, I MEAN, UH, YOUR CITY MANAGER'S CORRECT. UNDER SECTION TWO A, IT SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT YOUR INTERACTION WHEN THEY COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND IT SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS TO CLARIFY ANY FACTUAL STATEMENTS. UM, I WOULD JUST CAUTION AGAINST THE SLIP SLOPE OF JUST THE FREE FOR ALL. UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING, WE DON'T HAVE SOME DECORUM AND WE DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF UNDERSTANDING, AND THEN IT JUST BECOMES A BACK AND FORTH DIALOGUE THAT CAN DRAG ON. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT BEHIND THESE RULES OF PROCEDURE IS WE NEED TO HAVE A SET PROCEDURE. SO IF WE ALREADY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY WITH FACTUAL QUESTIONS OR STATEMENTS, AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE'S TWO TYPES OF PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HAVE THE THREE MINUTE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THEY CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. THAT'S WHEN THERE'S NO INTERACTION. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST THEM TALKING TO COUNSEL. PLUS IT WOULD BE A TONE OF VIOLATION IF WE STARTED TO ENGAGE. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC IS NOT NECESSARILY ON THE AGENDA. NOW, IF THEY COME UP AND TALK DURING OR ABOUT A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN INTERACTION. BUT AGAIN, I WOULD JUST CAUTION WHAT IS THAT PROCEDURE? SHOULD IT COME FROM YOUR CITY MANAGER TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS? UM, OR YOU COULD ASK THE MAYOR TO BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO 'EM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE MAYOR'S THE ONE WHO RUNS THE MEETING. YEAH. AND I THINK IT JUST, IT STARTS TO COMPLICATE THINGS. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET A FLOW OF THE MEETING AND, AND YOU START TO HAVE BACK AND FORTH AND, YOU KNOW, Q AND A DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, TO ME IT, IT COMPLICATES IT UNNECESSARILY. YOU KNOW, WE GIVE FOLKS THE, UH, THE TIME TO, TO SAY, SPEAK THEIR MIND, UH, AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH THE COUNCIL. I JUST DON'T, UH, UH, I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN DOING A, DOING A BACK AND FORTH AND, AND RESPONDING. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT SECTION? I HAVE, I HAVE ONE COMMENT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? THE THREE AND FOUR? I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT SECTION, BUT, UM, WHEN A PERSON IS AT THE PODIUM AND THEY ARE, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WORD TO USE, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY ATTACKING A MEMBER ON THIS COUNCIL, IS THAT APPROPRIATE OR SHOULD WHOEVER'S SPEAKING ADDRESS THE COUNCIL SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL IN GENERAL AND NOT SPECIFIC TO ONE COUNCIL MEMBER? IS THAT, DO WE HAVE THAT IN OUR RULES? [01:05:01] I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW DO NICOLE. SO CURRENTLY YOU DO NOT. WHAT THAT'S TYPICALLY REFERRED TO IS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, DECORUM, PROCEDURES. UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS REALLY LIMITED TO THIS SECTION FOUR A, B, AND C. UM, BUT YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO, AND HERE'S WHERE WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT. IF YOU WANTED TO SET SOME SORT OF DECORUM RULES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN DO THAT. AGAIN, I JUST HAVE TO CAUTION IT IS A VERY DELICATE BALANCE BECAUSE THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. UM, SO FOR THE MOST PART, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY, BUT THERE WE CAN PUT SOME PARAMETERS AROUND IT. UM, LIKE PERSONAL ATTACKS, UM, DEFAMATION, THROWING OBJECTS, ALL REAL, ALL REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. AND IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A DRAFT. WE'VE DONE IT FOR OTHER CITIES AS WELL. IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN VETTED BY A FIRST AMENDMENT ATTORNEY. SO WE THINK THAT IT DEFINITELY WOULD HELP UP, UH, WITHHOLD OR UPHOLD, UM, EVEN WITH A CHALLENGE. UM, AND THEN THIS SECTION FOUR IS MOST LIKELY WHERE I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE PUT IT INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEPARATE STANDALONE POLICY. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, CHRIS. YEAH, I WOULD TOO. BUT THEN HOW DO WE USE THAT? I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE TO REMOVE SOMEONE FROM THE AUDIENCE? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE THINKING? SO ONE DRAFT THAT WE RECENTLY DID IN THE LAST YEAR, IT DOES HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. BUT THERE IS A, A PROGRESSION, RIGHT? IT'S A, YOU NOTICE THAT YOU, IT'S A FIRST OFFENSE, SECOND OFFENSE. AND AT THE THIRD OFFENSE, THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY TRESPASSED. I'M IN AGREEANCE TO ADD IT TO THIS SECTION THAT NICOLE IS REFERRING TO AT THIS POINT. I AGREE. THE QUESTION FOR NICOLE, SO, UH, WHAT YOU'VE ADDED OR WORKED WITH IN THE PAST IS THAT SOMEBODY'S, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE PODIUM AND THEY'RE GOT SOME BEEF WITH THE COUNCIL PERSON AND THEY'RE JUST TALKING TO THAT COUNCIL PERSON AND JUST RAILING ALL OVER 'EM. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'VE WORKED WITH? YES, IT IS. OKAY. UM, SO HOW MUCH OF THIS IS, IS KIND OF THE MAYOR MANAGING THE MEETING AND, AND THE JURISDICTION OF, OF THAT? WELL, EVEN UNDER THE SCENARIO WITH THIS DECORUM, THE MAYOR IS IN CONTROL. SO HE'S THE ONE WHO WOULD ENFORCE WHATEVER DECORUM RULES WE Y'ALL ADOPT. WHICH WOULD, I MEAN, HE WOULD MONITOR WHOEVER'S SPEAKING AND SO HE CAN, HE CAN TURN THEIR MICROPHONE OFF, HE CAN WARN THEM. THERE'S AGAIN, THAT PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE. BUT AGAIN, THE MAYOR RUNS THE MEETING AND SO HE WOULD RUN THAT PORTION AS WELL. SO IF THAT PORTION WASN'T DEFINED, COULD THE MAYOR USE THE, THE RULES THAT THAT MAYOR HAS TO HELP GOVERN THAT BEHAVIOR? YOU MEAN CAN HE CURRENTLY CENSOR SOMEBODY AT THE PODIUM WITHOUT THERE BEING ADOPTED TO CORN RULES? YES. I WOULDN'T ENCOURAGE THAT. OKAY. I WOULD WANT SOME RULES IN. SO DO YOU WANNA BRING US SOMETHING ON IT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT LATER ON, NICOLE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THESE SECTIONS? OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO SECTION FIVE IS JUST THE CODE OF CONDUCT FOR, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, SO THIS ESTABLISHES THAT WE HAVE A CODE OF CONDUCT, UH, BASED ON THE TOWN'S CODE OF ETHICS. UM, IT JUST STATES THAT MAYOR COUNCIL WILL ABIDE BY THE TOWN'S CODE OF ETHICS THAT ARE NOTED IN THE TOWN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES. UM, AND THEN ALL APPLICABLE LAWS. UM, THIS ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AFFIDAVITS AND PROCEDURES FOR VOTES, PRESENTING CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. SO HOW COUNCIL WILL NEED TO HANDLE THAT AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK ON THIS SECTION? ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ON THIS SECTION? ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. SO SECTION SIX, UH, JUST KIND OF COVERS COUNCIL AND STAFF RELATIONS AND SETS GUIDELINES FOR, UM, COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE TWO. SO IT OUTLINES SOME PROCEDURES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA QUESTIONS AND THEN QUESTIONS IN GENERAL OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL MEETING AGENDAS. UM, IT ALSO ESTABLISHES THE CITY MANAGER'S RESPONSIBILITIES REGARDING TOWN STAFF, UM, AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, SECTION SEVEN COVERS COUNCIL AND MEDIA RELATIONS, SO SETTING GUIDELINES FOR THOSE. UM, JUST ALSO NOTING THAT WE HAVE PUBLISHED AGENDAS WHICH WILL BE PROVIDED, UH, TO INTERESTED IN MEDIA IN ADVANCE OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. UM, AND THEN IT ALSO DESIGNATES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OFFICIAL RESPONSES FOR MEDIA INQUIRIES. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK ON THESE SECTIONS? CAN I GET A QUICK, JUST A QUICK DEFINITION OF STAFF? IS THAT ONLY PAID EMPLOYEES OR IS THAT PEOPLE ON OTHER APPOINTED POSITIONS SUCH AS PNZ? THAT'S NOT STAFF. OKAY. YEAH. PERFECT. AND, UM, I, IS THIS COVERED, IS THIS WHERE, UM, UH, LOBBYING BY A STAFF MEMBER WOULD BE COVERED IF THERE WERE A STAFF MEMBER THAT WAS, THAT WAS LOBBYING A MEMBER OF COUNCIL [01:10:02] ON BEHALF OF SOME AGENDA ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL? OR IS THAT IN ANOTHER AREA? IT'S NOT EXPLICITLY ADDRESSED IN THIS, BUT IF IT WERE TO BE, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULDN'T. OKAY. BE IN A SECTION HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION. WHAT CAN YOU, HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION YOU DEFINE LOBBYING, UM, ADVOCATING FOR A STANCE ON AN ITEM THAT IS HOSTED AS AN AGENDA TO BE VOTED ON? I I, IS THAT, IS THAT LOBBYING OR IS THAT, DOES THAT FIT INTO ANOTHER CATEGORY? MISS ATTORNEY? WHAT I WAS GONNA PULL UP IS, SO THERE IS THE PERSONNEL POLICY MANUAL THAT, UH, COVERS ALL EMPLOYEES FOR THE TOWN. AND I WAS GONNA PULL THAT UP BECAUSE SOME PERSONNEL POLICY MANUALS DO HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT LOBBYING, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, INTERJECTING IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO, TO VOTE AND TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS. UM, SO I CAN LOOK AT Y'ALL'S PERSONNEL POLICY TO SEE ANYTHING COVERS THAT, BUT OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN THIS PARTICULAR POLICY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SECTION? THIS MAY, I MAY BE GOING BACKWARDS A MINUTE, BUT UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT CURRENTLY THERE IS A COMMENT THAT SAYS SPEAKERS MUST ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS TO THE PRESIDING OFFICER RATHER THAN TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS OR STAFFS OR, OR STAFF. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING? ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE THAT? I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GO BACKWARDS, BUT I JUST SAW IT. SO ARE YOU READING THAT FROM THE WEBSITE OR FROM THE ACTUAL RULES? I'M READING IT FROM A MESSAGE I JUST GOT THAT SAYS PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT LISTS THE RULES ON UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT. HEY HOWARD, CAN I, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING AND YOU'RE GETTING INPUT FROM SOMEBODY OUTSIDE HERE THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC MEETING. I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I UNDERSTAND. SO I WOULD ASK, SO I WOULD ASK YOU NOT TO DO THAT. OKAY. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT'S EVER HAPPENED. IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAPPENED IN A, IN A RECENT WORK SESSION THOUGH. NO, NO. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT'S EVER HAPPENED. OKAY. I'VE GOTTEN, SO I TO ANSWER, 'CAUSE WE DID LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT, UH, PRE, UH, NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO. SO THIS IS THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO CODIFY ANY CHANGES TO YOUR POINT ON OUR, WE DO HAVE SOME GUIDANCE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND THAT'S JUST GUIDANCE FOR SOMEONE COMING UP AND HERE'S SOME, HERE'S HOW WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO COUNSEL, BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE MAYOR CAN ENFORCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. ON THAT NOTE, I WOULD LIKE THAT PUBLIC GUIDANCE TO DEFINITELY MIRROR WHAT'S IN OUR CONDUCT SO THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION, I MEAN, NOT DIRECTLY MIRROR, BUT MIRROR AS APPROPRIATE TO A PUBLIC FACING SIDE OF IT. MM-HMM . WHEN WE DECIDE ON WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? WERE WE ON THE NEXT SLIDE ALREADY? WE WERE ON, YEAH, SO THAT WE DID FIVE, RIGHT? YEAH. MM-HMM . WE DID, WE DID FIVE, WHICH WAS THE CODE OF CONDUCT. UM, AND THEN WE DID COUNCIL AND STAFF RELATIONS SECTION SIX AND THEN SECTION SEVEN COUNCIL MEDIA RELATIONS. AND THEN THAT WRAPS UP THE, UM, COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES DOCUMENT. OKAY. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS, ON THIS SLIDE FROM ANYBODY? DARREN? NO. THIS SLIDE I WANTED TO GO BACK TO PREVIOUS. SO AFTER THIS SLIDE'S DIGESTED. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SLIDE? ANYTHING ON THIS SLIDE? WHAT DID YOU WANNA GO BACK TO? DARREN FOUR. H FOUR. AND, UM, MARLON BROUGHT THIS UP, BUT UM, THIS BUGGED ME FOR A WHILE. UH, DO I JUST HAVE THE CHOICE TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING FOR ANY REASON? NO. SHOULD THAT BE DEFINED IN HERE THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE? IT IS. I THINK IT IS, RIGHT? IT'S, I MEAN, OBJECTION FIVE. OKAY. SHALL VOTE ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE THE COUNCIL, UNLESS THE MEMBER ABSTAINS WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. DOES IT NEED TO BE EXPLICITLY SAID THAT YOU JUST CAN ABSTAIN, CANNOT ABSTAIN. 'CAUSE IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO VOTE. SO YEAH, IT GOES, I MEAN THAT WAS YOUR POINT. YEAH. IT GOES ON ON, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR H, RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE LAST THING IT SAYS, UH OH, IT GOES ON AT THE VERY END. IT SAYS ABSTAIN UH, ABST ABSENT FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURES FOR PRESENTATION SET FORTH IN SECTION FIVE. SO THEN YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO TO SECTION FIVE TO SEE WHAT THOSE ARE. AND THOSE ARE DEFINED. THAT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. ABST AB ABSTAINING. YES. NO, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO READ IT AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PART WHERE IT, IT, IT ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION, YOU JUST CAN'T ABSTAIN TO ABSTAIN BASICALLY. GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD. THANKS. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS OR ANYTHING WITH THIS ITEM? [01:15:04] OKAY, WITH THAT, UM, IT'S, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE A GOOD TIME FOR US TO TAKE A VERY SHORT DINNER BREAK. VERY SHORT. LIKE I'M TALKING 10, 12 MINUTES. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE, WE GOT A LOT TO DO. SO, UH, IT IS FIVE 20, SO WE'LL TAKE A, UH, VERY BRIEF, UH, DINNER BREAK. IF YOU CAN MAKE IT 10, 10 OR 12 MINUTES, THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. IT IS 5 38. I COULDN'T, IT'S 5 38 AND WE WILL RECONVENE THE COUNCIL INTO OUR WORK SESSION AND WE'D ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE HAVE YOUR SEATS. PLEASE TAKE A SEAT. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. [b. Present and discuss the new Comprehensive Plan, Advance Addison, which will replace the 2013 Comprehensive Plan, but maintain special area plans, as amended; establishing policy goals for land use, housing, transportation, economic development and community facilities.] AS MENTIONED EARLIER, ITEM FOUR B OF THE WORK SESSION FOUR B IS, IS, UH, BEING PUSHED TO THE, UH, JANUARY 27TH MEETING. SO WE'LL [c. Present and discuss the Bond Advisory Committee's recommendation to include the calling of a bond election regarding a capital project to address the Town's Police and Courts facility.] MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM FOUR C PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE THE CALLING OF A BOND ELECTION REGARDING A CAPITAL PROJECT TO ADDRESS THE TOWN'S POLICE AND COURTS FACILITY PASSION. THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL, PASSION HAYES, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. THIS EVENING I AM PLEASED TO HELP BRING FORWARD THE 2026 BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE ADDISON POLICE AND COURTS FACILITY. WE HAVE DESIGNED THIS PRESENTATION THIS EVENING TO FIRST START AS A REMINDER ON THE FORMATION OF THE BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEIR CHARGE FROM COUNSEL, AND A TIMELINE FOR A POTENTIAL MAY, 2026 BOND ELECTION. WE WILL THEN INVITE THE CHAIR OF THE BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO SHARE A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE COMMITTEE'S WORK AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. AFTER THE RECOMMENDATION IS PRESENTED, WE WILL THEN TAKE A STEP BACK WITH STAFF PROVIDING BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT THE COMMITTEE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THEIR CHARGE, INCLUDING CHALLENGES WITH OUR CURRENT FACILITY. WE WILL ALSO SHARE INFORMATION ON A RENOVATION PROJECT THAT MANY TOURED IN A NEIGHBORING CITY. AND THEN WE WILL SHARE THE FIVE SITE OPTIONS THAT COMMITTEE REVIEWED AND MADE AN ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION ON. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'LL INVITE OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER UP TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF A BOND ELECTION AND THE BOND EDUCATION PROCESS BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. THE BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS FORMED AT THE OCTOBER 14TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING WITH EACH COUNCIL MEET MEMBER APPOINTING TWO ADDISON RESIDENTS TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE. AND AT THAT MEETING, YOUR CHARGE TO THE COMMITTEE WAS TO ASSESS AND REVIEW INFORMATION AND OPTIONS RELATED TO A CAPITAL PROJECT TO ADDRESS THE TOWN'S AGING POLICING COURTS FACILITY AND TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL CONCERNING THE PROJECT, THE MONETARY AMOUNT, AND WHETHER A BOND ELECTION SHOULD BE CALLED FOR MAY, 2026. THE COMMITTEE CONSIDERED THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS TO REMODEL THE EXISTING FACILITY OR BUILD A NEW ONE AT THE EXISTING SITE TO PURCHASE AND REMODEL A VACANT BUILDING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW FACILITY ON PROPERTY CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE TOWN AND OR THROUGH THE ACQUISITION OF NEW PROPERTY. THE BOND COMMITTEE WAS MADE UP OF 14 DEDICATED RESIDENTS WHO HEARD YOUR CHARGE AND WORKED HARD AND TOGETHER TO BRING FORWARD TONIGHT'S RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE EACH OF THEM FOR THEIR WORK AND TIME THEY PUT INTO THIS PROCESS. SO, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, IF YOU'RE HERE AND I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU WOULD STAND, I FIRST WANNA RECOGNIZE OUR CHAIR. ARMANDO GUDO. JIMMY BARKER, VICE CHAIR BERTHA RIVIERA, RU FRIEND POWELL GUILLERMO CANTILLA, JIM DEUR, JOSEPH PO. NANCY CRAIG, PHILIP VALENTINE, BOB JACOBY, RON WHITEHEAD, SCOTT HUNT, TOM BROWN AND TRICIA STEWART. LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. I'M SORRY. I WILL ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR STAFF MEMBERS. I DON'T THINK I CAN HAVE 'EM ALL STAND AND, UH, HAVE US CLAP FOR THEM. BUT WE HAD SO MANY GREAT TALENT EMPLOYEES THAT COORDINATED ON THIS PROJECT, ALONG WITH VARIOUS CONSULTANTS AND PARTNERS. THE COMMITTEE HELD FOUR MEETINGS DATING BACK TO OCTOBER, AND MANY ALSO PARTICIPATED IN OPTIONAL TOURS AT THE CARROLLTON, ROANOKE, AND FARMERS BRANCH POLICE DEPARTMENT [01:20:01] FACILITIES. THE MEETING AGENDAS, PRESENTATIONS AND MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. BEFORE I INVITE THE CHAIR TO THE PODIUM, I WANTED TO SHARE A TIMELINE FOR A POTENTIAL MAY, 2026 BOND ELECTION. IN ADDITION TO TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, WE HAVE SLOTTED A FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM FOR JANUARY THE 27TH. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS A WORK SESSION SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY THE THIRD, AND WE COULD ALSO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION OPTION IF NEEDED. AND THEN ON FEBRUARY THE 10TH, IF COUNCIL WISHES TO CALL A MAY, 2026 BOND ELECTION, AN ORDINANCE COULD BE PRESENTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND AS A REMINDER, FEBRUARY THE 13TH IS THE LAST DAY FOR COUNCIL TO CALL AN ELECTION FOR MAY, 2026. I WOULD NOW LIKE TO CALL OUR CHAIR OF THE BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE CHAIR GUDO TO COME FORWARD AND SHARE A FEW WORDS ON THE COMMITTEE'S WORK AND TO ULTIMATELY SHARE THEIR RECOMMENDATION WITH COUNCIL. MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING. UH, TO BEGIN, I WANT TO THANK THE LEADERSHIP THAT, UH, OUR STAFF, UH, AND THE DESIGN TEAM PROVIDED US IN ORDER TO PURSUE THIS, UH, WONDERFUL, UH, EXPERIENCE. THE COMMITTEE OF 14 ASKED LOTS OF QUESTIONS, LOTS OF QUESTIONS, NOT ONLY TO OUR STAFF, BUT ALSO TO PEOPLE OF OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE VISITED. AND WE PROBABLY VISITED FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT OTHER FACILITIES. THEY WERE SIMILAR, NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. MAYBE LARGER, MAYBE SMALLER, MAYBE NOT AS COMPLEX AS WHAT WE WERE CONSIDERING, BUT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW OTHER PEOPLE DID IT. UM, THE TEAM WORKED DILIGENTLY IN A VERY COLLEGIAL AND COLLABORATIVE WAY, WHICH WAS TERRIFIC. I'VE LED A LOT OF DESIGN TEAMS IN MY, UH, PROFESSION, AND THIS BY FAR WAS ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING AND GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE EVER WORKED WITH. UM, SO WE VISITED OTHER POLICE FACILITIES, LIKE IN ROANOKE, FARMER'S BRANCH, AND WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY COMPARE WHAT WE HAD IN ADDISON COMPARED TO OTHERS THAT HAD EITHER RECENTLY RENOVATED OR HAD RENOVATED IT OR BUILT A FEW YEARS BACK. AND THERE WAS NO QUESTION THAT WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR POLICE FACILITY. THEY, THEY'RE THERE TO PROTECT US. AND I THINK THEY NEED, WE NEED TO PRE THAT, PROTECT THEM FROM THE ELEMENTS AS WELL. AND, UH, SO I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE TEAM. SO IN THIS PROCESS, WE'VE ASSUMED, UH, THAT THE COURTROOM ITSELF, NOT THE COURTROOM OFFICES, BUT THE COURTROOM ITSELF, IS GONNA TAKE PLACE HERE IN THIS SPACE. SO WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT COMMENT, UH, COMMENT, UH, COMPONENT OUT OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH SIMPLIFIED THE PROGRAM A LITTLE BIT FOR US. UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION. AND I'LL READ IT TO YOU. THE BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS CALLING A BOND ELECTION IN MAY, 2026 REGARDING THE CAPITAL FOR THE REMODEL OF AN EXISTING BUILDING, OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BUILDING FOR AN ADDISON POLICE FACILITY IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $55 MILLION. UM, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE PUT EVERY THOUGHT POSSIBLE TO PROVIDING THE BEST SOLUTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND WE THINK THIS IS A VERY DOABLE THING. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SELL IT TO OUR FELLOW CITIZENS. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS GO BY AND LOOK AT OUR EXISTING FACILITY AND BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS. UH, AND IT'S HOW IMPORTANT IT IS. SO WE LANDED ON THESE OPTIONS, THE PRIORITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY OF BEING ABLE TO POSSIBLY ACCOMMODATE A GUN RANGE IN THE FUTURE ON THE SAME SITE. SO THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF GIVE US AN, UH, SOME GUIDANCE AS TO THE SITE THAT WE WANNA SELECT. SO WITH THAT IN HAND, I WILL LEAVE IT TO, UH, CHIEF, THANK YOU AGAIN, A SPECIAL THANKS TO THE CHAIR FOR HIS LEADERSHIP AND THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE. THIS PRESENTATION'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MOST IN THAT WE STARTED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SET THE TABLE ON, UH, THE CONVERSATION. [01:25:01] AND SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE A STEP BACK AND BRING SOMEONE ELSE TO THE MICROPHONE. SOMEONE ELSE, I WANNA THANK OUR CHIEF OF POLICE AND HAVE HIM COME UP AND TALK ABOUT OUR CURRENT FACILITY, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, AND GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON THE SPACE. SO CHIEF FREEZE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. CHRIS FREEZE, CHIEF OF POLICE. UM, TONIGHT, LIKE, UH, MS. HAYES SAID JUST UP HERE TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND IN THE CURRENT FACILITY, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACED, UM, HOW WE'VE OVERCOME THOSE, AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEPS IN THESE PROCESSES. SO THE CURRENT FACILITY WAS BUILT IN 1984. TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, APPROXIMATELY 29,000 SQUARE FEET. UH, IT DOES HAVE TWO FLOORS. UM, OUR CURRENT STAFFING RIGHT NOW IS 75 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. THAT'S A MIX BETWEEN SWORN POLICE OFFICERS AND OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF. WE ALSO HOUSE FIVE, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT, UM, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES THERE AS WELL. UM, JUST AS A NOTE, UH, LOOKING BACK AT PREVIOUS, UH, ANNUAL REPORTS THROUGH THE ARCHIVES, I FOUND THE 1982 POLICE ANNUAL REPORT WHERE THE CURRENT CHIEF OF POLICE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE FUTURE GROWTH OF THE DEPARTMENT AND LOOKING AT THE SITE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FIRE STATION. UM, AND WAS EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND I WAS ABLE TO PULL STATS. AND AT THAT TIME, WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 35 POSITIONS, SWORN AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN DOUBLED IN OUR CURRENT STAFFING. UM, SO TO GO OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, WE'RE GONNA BREAK, UH, THE CHALLENGES DOWN INTO THREE BASIC BOXES, OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND EFFICIENCY, INFRASTRUCTURE, DETERIORATION AND SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE. WE'LL START WITH OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND EFFICIENCY. THIS IS JUST GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, INSUFFICIENT SPACE THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. UM, OFFICE SPACE, SPACE FOR TRAINING, SPACE FOR STORAGE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE DETERIORATION. JUST GONNA TALK TO THE AGE OF THE FACILITY WITH IT BEING STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, MOVING IN INTO 1984. UM, THEY, IT IS A, AN AGED BUILDING. IT HAS SERVED A VERY PER, UH, PER FULL LIFE, BUT IT IS REACHING KIND OF THE END OF ITS LIFESPAN. AND THEN SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE, JUST SOME INCU INADEQUACIES THAT WE HAVE, UM, WITH A DA COMPLIANCE AND JUST UPDATES TO CODES. UM, SO GOING BACK TO OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND EFFICIENCY, JUST LOOKING AT SPACE. UH, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE TOURED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU'VE NOTICED THAT WE OFFICE A LOT OF TIMES OUT OF CLOSETS THAT HAVE BEEN AUGMENTED TO FIT, UM, STAFF MEMBERS. WE HAVE BUILT, UH, CUBICLES, UH, IN DEDICATED SPACES THAT WE'VE USED FOR OTHER THINGS. UM, WE'RE BUS BURSTING AT THE SEAMS WHEN IT COMES TO STORAGE, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR EVIDENCE PROCESSING. UM, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT OFFSITE STORAGE. UM, A PROPERTY ROOM IS FILLED TO THE BRIM. UH, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY OVER 20,000 ARTICLES OF EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP, UH, CHAIN OF, UH, CUSTODY OVER. WE ALSO IMPLORE SOME OFFSITE STORAGE OPTIONS AS WELL, JUST TO KIND OF HELP WITH THE NEED OF EVIDENCE COMING IN ON A DAILY BASIS. UM, PARKING IS INSUFFICIENT, UM, ESPECIALLY ON COURT DAYS. UM, AGAIN, JUST WITH THAT SITE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ADEQUATE PARKING SPACE THAT WE NEED FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. UM, AND THEN OUR, UH, STAFF MEMBERS, THEN THOSE COMING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CONDUCT THEIR ROUTINE BUSINESS. UM, LOOKING AT OUR LOBBY, UM, THERE IS NO, UH, VEGETABLE AREA TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME INTO A SECURED AREA. IT'S OPEN 24 7. UM, THE LAYOUT OF THAT IS JUST A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WONKY. WHEN YOU COME IN, THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS THE COURTS, UH, THE, UH, WINDOW. AND MOST PEOPLE COMING THERE LOOKING FOR POLICE. SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO ON THAT. UM, CRIME LAB, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ONE. WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING OUT OF AN OLD JAIL CELL WHENEVER O OFFICERS NEED TO GO AND PROCESS EVIDENCE SEARCHES, NARCOTICS PACKAGE, CERTAIN THINGS. UM, THERE'S, AGAIN, NO LARGE EVIDENCE STORAGE CAPABILITIES. IF WE HAVE A VEHICLE THAT WE'VE SEIZED, UH, WE WILL DOUBLE THE SALLY PORT HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND CLOSE THAT OFF. AND AGAIN, THAT JUST COMES BACK TO SOME CHAIN OF CUSTODY ISSUES. UM, THE EMPLOYEE AREAS, UM, AGAIN, JUST DATED, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LARGE SPACES TO WHERE MORE THAN A FEW PEOPLE CAN CONGREGATE AT ONE TIME. GOING BACK TO THE TRAINING SPACE, RIGHT NOW, WHENEVER WE DO HAVE TO HOST OR WE DO HOST LARGE TRAINING JUST WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, WE'LL UTILIZE THE COURTROOM WHENEVER IT'S NOT IN SESSION. UM, ALSO, IF WE NEED TO HAVE LARGE DEPARTMENT MEETINGS, UH, WE'LL USE THAT SPACE. UM, SPEAKING OF COURSE, RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO SECURE SEPARATION, UM, AND FLOW OF, YOU'VE GOT COURT PERSONNEL WALKING OVER INTO POLICE OPERATIONS AND VICE VERSA. THERE'S NO CLEAR DELINEATION BETWEEN THE TWO. AND THEN ALSO WITH THE COURTROOM OFFICES, THERE'S REALLY NO ADEQUATE SPACE FOR ATTORNEYS TO MEET WITH THEIR CLIENTS. UM, JUST IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION, GOING INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE CURATION, THE HVAC SYSTEM, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN OLDER BUILDING, ALTHOUGH THE HVAC HAS BEEN UPDATED. UM, THE EFFICIENCY OF IT, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO KIND OF MOVE CERTAIN OFFICE AREAS, UM, IT'S NOT VERY EFFICIENT WITH, UH, HEATING AND AC, UM, WITH THE CUBICLES THAT WE'VE ADDED. AND ALSO THE DUCT WORK BEING THE AGE THAT IT IS, UM, LEVELING WATER INFILTRATION [01:30:01] AT GROUND LEVEL. UH, AND TALKING TO MR. HOLLY, AND HE CAN SPEAK MORE ON THIS, BUT THAT'S JUST 40 YEARS OF LANDSCAPING THAT'S KIND OF BEEN BUILT UP AROUND THE FOUNDATION. IT DOESN'T, UM, ALLOW FOR ADEQUATE, UH, SEEPAGE OF WATER WHENEVER IT COMES OUT. SO THAT CAN CAUSE FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES. UM, AND THEN ALSO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION. UH, BACK IN 2024, WHILE DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THEY HAD TO DO, UH, MOLD REMEDIATION, UH, TO THE FACILITY, GOING OVER SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE, UH, SECURITY CONCERNS. THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW INCIDENTS OVER THE YEARS. UH, JUST AGAIN, WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS DESIGNED. UM, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE EMPLOYED AS COMMON PRACTICE NOW WITH NEW FACILITIES JUST WASN'T A THING. SO, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WITH OUR LOBBY, OUR LOBBY IS OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY. WE DON'T CLOSE THAT OFF BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S EVER IN AN EMERGENCY, THEY NEED TO COME IN, KNOW THAT THAT'S A SAFE SPACE. THERE'S A PHONE THAT THEY CAN PICK UP AND BE IMMEDIATELY CONTACT WITH DISPATCH OR AN OFFICER. UM, WITH THAT, THAT'S A LARGE AREA THAT'S OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY. UM, THERE WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL WAS ABLE TO SCALE THE BACK FENCE AND, UH, MAKE ENTRY INTO A WINDOW, UH, AND GET INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON A SUNDAY EVENING. UM, A DA COMPLIANCE, JUST WITH THE AGE OF THE BUILDING. UM, THERE ARE SOME DEFICIENCIES WITH THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THEN ALSO CODE COMPLIANCE, BRINGING THE CURRENT FACILITY UP TO, UH, CURRENT CODES TO WHERE IT WOULD NEED TO BE. AND WITH THAT, I WILL PASS IT BACK OFF. THANK YOU, CHIEF, TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE BOND COMMITTEE'S WORK, WHICH ULTIMATELY LED TO THEIR RECOMMENDATION. WE WANTED TO REMIND COUNSEL OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS AND BACKGROUND ON THE FACILITY. THERE IS A DETAILED HISTORY OF DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE POLICING COURTS BUILDING. AND I'LL JUST START WITH THE MOST RECENT DISCUSSIONS BACK IN 2024 WITH COUNSEL PROVIDING DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD AND ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR $35 MILLION FOR THE FACILITY. BASED ON THIS DIRECTION, STAFF ENGAGE AN ARCHITECT TO DEVELOP A SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE FACILITY TO EVALUATE CONSTRUCTION OPTIONS AT THE PROPOSED SITE AND ESTIMATE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. AND THEN AFTER A NUMBER OF MONTHS OF STAFF AND OUR ARCHITECT WORKING TOGETHER AT THE MAY 6TH COUNCIL MEETING STAFF SHARED THOSE PROGRAMMING NEEDS AND INCREASED PROJECTED COSTS WITH COUNCIL. IT WAS AT THAT TIME THAT COUNCIL DECIDED INSTEAD OF ISSUING COS THEY PROVIDED DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD AND LOOK AT FORMING AN, UH, BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 14TH. COUNCIL APPROVED THIS RESOLUTION WITH THIS CHARGE TO ASK THE COMMITTEE WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BOND ELECTION. THE TOWN ACTUALLY ENGAGED GFF DESIGN, WHICH IS HERE THIS EVENING, UH, AS THE ARCHITECT THAT WAS HIRED TO ACTUALLY START PLANNING FOR A NEW FACILITY BY DEVELOPING THAT SPACE. NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE BUILDING GFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TOWN. STAFF HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO REVIEW, REFINE, AND VERIFY CURRENT AND FUTURE GROWTH NEEDS BASED ON OPERATIONS AND STAFFING PROJECTIONS. GFF AND PD HAVE TOURED OVER 15 OTHER POLICE FACILITIES IN THE REGION. AND ULTIMATELY THE PROGRAM THAT GFF HAS DEVELOPED IN CONSULTATION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INCLUDES BEST PRACTICES FROM INTERVIEW ROOMS FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH VICTIMS OF CRIME AND FOLKS IN THE JUVENILE POPULATION. THEY'VE COME TOGETHER WITH STAFF TO MAKE, UH, A RECOMMENDATION ON THE BEST NEEDS, UH, ASSESSMENT AND PROGRAMMING FOR THE TOWN. THERE WERE FIVE OPTIONS THAT WERE DEVELOPED BY THE COMMITTEE, UH, DEVELOPED FOR THE COMMITTEE'S REVIEW BY GFF. AND SO BEFORE CHIEF COMES BACK UP AND DOES A WALKTHROUGH OF THOSE OPTIONS, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO REALLY SHARE WHAT EVERYONE'S ROLE IS. AND SO, AGAIN, GFF WAS THE GROUP, IS THE GROUP THAT'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WORKED EXTENSIVELY TO DEVELOP THAT SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND BRING IN THOSE BEST PRACTICES. THEN GFF ACTUALLY WORKED WITH US TO DEVELOP FIVE OPTIONS BASED ON COUNCIL'S CHARGE FROM SITE CONFIGURATIONS, CONSIDERATIONS OF COST, AND AN ESTIMATE OF COST FOR EACH OF THOSE OPTIONS. AND THEN THE TOWN WENT A STEP FURTHER. WE HIRED OUR OWN, OUR OWN THIRD PARTY, UH, FIRM TO ACTUALLY CHALLENGE THOSE NUMBERS FROM GFF TO REFINE THOSE AND ULTIMATELY CREATE OUR OWN OWNER'S BUDGET FOR THE TOWN. THIS WAS DONE TO ENSURE THAT THE NUMBER THAT WE PROVIDED, WE WERE CONFIDENT IN. AND SO PEAK PROGRAM VALUE IS HERE [01:35:01] AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, I WANNA HAVE THE CHIEF COME BACK UP AND REALLY TALK ABOUT THOSE FIVE SITE OPTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MA'AM. UM, SO WITH THESE, UH, FIVE OPTIONS, ESSENTIALLY THREE, AND THEN WITH OPTION A, YOU'LL HAVE MULTIPLE, UH, OPTIONS TO VIEW. AND THIS WAS WITH THE, THE CHARGE THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE HAD WAS TO REMODEL THE EXISTING SITE OR BUILD ON THE CURRENT SITE. THAT'LL BE OPTION A. SO WE'LL GO WITH THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS THAT WE PRESENTED WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE AND TALK THROUGH THOSE CHALLENGES AND BENEFITS. OPTION B, LOOKING AT RENOVATING AN EXISTING, UH, BUILDING, AND THEN OPTION C, WHICH IS THE NEW BUILD ON NEW PROPERTY. SO STARTING OFF FIRST WITH OPTION A, THIS WAS JUST A RENOVATION OF THE CURRENT SITE. SO AN OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT SITE, WHERE WE'RE LOCATED AT NOW, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.71 ACRES. IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING. PUBLIC PARKING, WE HAVE 12 SECURE PARKING, WE HAVE 90 SPACES. UM, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IN LOOKING AT REMODELING THE CURRENT SITE AS IS, IS GOING TO INVOLVE A TEMPORARY, UH, RELOCATION. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON SOME OF THESE OPTIONS AS WELL. UM, THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED TO THAT. AND THEN ALSO JUST A LOGISTICAL CHALLENGE THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT OF OPERATING OPERATIONS FOR THE LENGTH OF CONSTRUCTION, MOVING TO A NEW SITE, SHORING UP THAT SITE, RIGHT? BECAUSE POLICE DEPARTMENTS NEED VERY SPECIAL, SECURE AREAS LOOKING AT, UM, TECHNOLOGY, INFRASTRUCTURE, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO GETTING THAT SITE OPERATIONALLY READY AND THEN TEARING THAT BACK DOWN AND MOVING BACK TO WHATEVER NEW SITE, UH, OR INNOVATION WOULD BE COMING BACK TO. SO THAT IS A CHALLENGE THAT YOU'LL SEE ON SOME OF THESE, UH, OPTIONS THAT WE TALKED IN DEPTH WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE ABOUT, UM, THE SITE SIZE AND SHAPE. UM, IT IS NOT A VERY CLEAN, YOU KNOW, RECTANGULAR SHAPE SIZE. IT'S A LITTLE LIKE TRAPEZOID ISH. SO THAT DOES HAVE SOME, UM, CHALLENGES WHEN LOOKING AT PARKING AND WHAT YOU CAN KIND OF ADD, UM, THE ACCESSIBILITY OF WHERE IT'S AT. AND THEN ALSO, WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A REMODEL, THE BIGGEST THING IS WE'RE NOT ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND RECALL BACK TO THE EARLIER SIDES. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT WE CURRENTLY FACE WITH OUR SITE, IS JUST NOT HAVING ADEQUATE SPACE. SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WITH THIS PARTICULAR OPTION IS WE CAN REMODEL, PUT AS MUCH MONEY AS WE WANT TO INTO IT, BUT WE'RE STILL NOT ABLE TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, AS IT SAYS IN THE SPACE PROGRAMMING FOR US TO BE AS EFFICIENT, AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN DO. SOME OF THE BENEFITS, THOUGH, IT IS A FAMILIAR SITE BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY, UH, COST OPTIONS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER. IT WAS THE LOWEST COST OPTION OF ALL OF THE FIVE OPTIONS. UM, AND IT KEEPS THAT GUN RANGE, THAT 25 YARD RANGE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHICH WE TALKED IN DEPTH WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE ABOUT. AND AS THE POLICE CHIEF, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS A VERY, VERY GOOD SELLING POINT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE TRAINING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SOME THINGS THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COURTROOM. THAT'S AGAIN, WITH ALL THESE SITES MOVING THE COURT THAT WE HAVE TWICE A MONTH IN PERSON TO THIS LOCATION. IT ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE A SUPPORT BUILDING, WHICH THE SUPPORT BUILDING, THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN GET A LOT OF THAT, THAT EXTRA STORAGE. AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY CONSTRUCTED AT A LOWER PRICE POINT THAN YOUR MAIN BUILDING. OPTION TWO WE LOOKED AT WAS KEEPING THE CURRENT SITE AND THEN COULD WE BUILD ON TOP OF THAT SITE TO GET THE SPACE THAT WE NEED AND THE PARKING THAT WE NEED. AND THE ANSWER IS GOOD POSSIBILITY. IT DOES COME AT A, A PRETTY HIGH PRICE. SO THIS WOULD BE A TWO STORY, UH, RENOVATION AND THEN THE ADDITION OF A 20, UH, THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT EDITION. UH, TO ADD OFFICE SPACE CHALLENGES, AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING BACK TO THAT TEMPORARY RELOCATION AND ALL OF THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH THAT. UH, AGAIN, THE STILL SITE SIZE AND SHAPE, THE EXTENSIVE RENOVATION AND SELECTIVE DEMOLITION, WHICH I'VE LEARNED MORE THAN I WOULD EVER WANNA KNOW ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION, DEMOLITION THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT APPARENTLY TO SELECTIVELY DEMO IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE I GUESS CONSTRUCTION GUYS WANT TO GO IN AND JUST KNOCK EVERYTHING DOWN. I JUST WANNA BE LOOKING AT THIS OPTION. IT'S GOTTA BE VERY, VERY SELECTIVE. AND THAT COMES AT A PREMIUM COST AS WELL. THE BENEFITS, THOUGH, AGAIN, IT'S THAT FAMILIAR SITE WE'RE THERE RIGHT NOW AND WITH THE ADDITION OF A POTENTIAL PARKING GARAGE, IT DOES GET US THAT PARKING COMPONENT THAT WE SO DESPERATELY NEED. OPTION THREE IS DEMOING EVERYTHING AND THEN BUILDING ON THE CURRENT SIDE, UH, LOOKING AT A TWO STORY, 3,900 SQUARE FOOT MAIN BUILDING WITH A 5,500 SQUARE FOOT SUPPORT BUILDING. WE DO, UH, GET SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO PARKING, BUT WE'RE STILL AT A DEFICIT FOR PARKING. AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE SITE SIZE. IT'S AT 2.7 ACRES. UM, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ADD TO THAT. SO IT'S TRYING TO FIT EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED FOR THE BUILDING, AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF THAT NEEDED PARKING. AGAIN, WITH THIS SITE, ONE OF THE MAIN CHALLENGES IS GONNA BE THAT TEMPORARY RELOCATION. UM, THIS DOES KEEP THE CURRENT RANGE, BUT THERE IS NO OPTION ON THE SITE FOR A FUTURE EXPANDED RANGE THAT ULTIMATELY WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET TO. IS THAT 50 YARD RANGE, UH, THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE ON ANOTHER SITE IF WE CHOSE TO GO THAT OPTION. UM, AND NOW I'LL PAUSE WITH THIS. UH, BILL HOLLY WILL COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE FARMERS, UH, A, UH, REMODEL PROJECT THAT WE USED AS A COMPARISON. AND THEN I'LL COME BACK UP AND TALK, WALK THROUGH THE [01:40:01] OTHER TWO SITE OPTIONS, OPTION B AND OPTION C. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BILL HAWLEY, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES, AS CHIEF MENTIONED. UH, AND OTHERS MENTIONED WE, PART OF THE, THE BOND COMMITTEE PROCESS WAS VISITING OTHER FACILITIES AND FARMERS BRANCH DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF, UH, DOING A REMODEL ON THEIR POLICE HEADQUARTERS. SO WE WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPARISONS, THE DIFFERENCES IN WHY THE COSTS WERE DIFFERENT BETWEEN WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THERE AND WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO, UH, TO BRING OUR FACILITY UP TO THAT KIND OF A STANDARD. SO THAT'S THE COMPARISON WE'LL TALK ABOUT NOW. SO THEIR PROJECT WAS, UH, $4.5 MILLION AND THAT WAS GREAT VALUE FOR, FOR WHAT THEY GOT. BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, THEY, THEY HAD AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE SIXTIES AND IN 1999 WENT THROUGH A, A TOTAL, UH, RECONSTRUCTION. SO AT THAT POINT IN THE LATE NINETIES, THEY WERE ABLE TO BRING IT UP TO THE A DA STANDARDS, THE ELECTRICAL CODES, THE PLUMBING CODES AND, AND THOSE TYPE THINGS, WHICH, UM, WHEN THEY DID THIS LATEST REMODEL, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO TO BACK ALL THE WAY UP. THEY, THEY MOVED THINGS, THEY ADDED ELECTRICAL, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A, A TOTAL REPLACEMENT OF THOSE HUGE BUILDING SYSTEMS THAT WE WOULD NEED ON THE ADDISON FACILITY. THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THEY HAD A ROOM THAT WAS, UH, HALF THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM HERE THAT WAS ACTUALLY A COURTYARD. SO BY PUTTING A ROOF OVER THAT AND USING THE DOORS DIFFERENTLY, THEY WERE ABLE TO GAIN A VERY NICE MEETING SPACE, TRAINING SPACE, UH, FOR A VERY MINIMAL COST. THEY WERE ALSO ABLE TO MOVE THEIR FITNESS EQUIPMENT TO A SEPARATE BUILDING ON THE LOCATION, WHICH GARNERED CONSIDERABLE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO OPTIMIZE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY HAD, UH, BASED ON CHANGES BASED ON DEEDS, UH, MORE EFFICIENT FURNITURE AND LAYOUTS. SO THEY, THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF PICKING UP A LOT WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO DO CONCRETE WORK, ROOF WORK, MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS. THEY, THEY MOVED THINGS AROUND AND, UM, GOT A MUCH, UH, A MUCH NICER FACILITY FROM THAT. SO AGAIN, JUST NOMINAL BUILDING SYSTEM UPDATES. UM, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE DIFFERENCES WHERE THEY DID NOT TOUCH THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, THE EXTERIOR WALLS. UM, THE BUILDING WHERE WE ARE NOW, THE PROPOSED RENOVATION BECAUSE OF PAST DETERIORATION, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, WATER THAT'S, THAT'S WICKED IN THROUGH THE WALLS, WERE VERY CONFIDENT FROM THE AREAS THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO MOLD REMEDIATION IN THE PAST THAT ALL OF THAT, UH, MUCH LIKE WE HAD AT THE ATHLETIC CLUB, UH, TRACK WALL, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHERE WATER HAD GOTTEN IN AND THEN THAT DETERIORATED ALL THE INTERIOR SIDING, ALL THE METAL STUDS, ALL THE BRICK HAD TO COME OFF, ALL THAT SIDING HAS TO COME OUT, ALL THE INSULATION COMES OUT, UH, THIS REMODEL AT THE POLICE STATION OPTION A ONE IF THAT'S WHAT IS SELECTED, THAT LEVEL OF WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF THE, OF THE COST OF THAT PROJECT. THERE'S, UM, AS CHIEF MENTIONED, A CRIME LAB, UH, DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A CRIME LAB, SO WE NEED TO CONSTRUCT THAT. THERE'S COMPLICATED VENTILATION AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. THE CURRENT FACILITY HASN'T BEEN HARDENED FOR SAFETY, SECURITY, ET CETERA. SO THOSE, THOSE ADDITIONS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE AS PART OF THE REMODEL. SO FROM A DOLLAR POINT OF VIEW, WANT, UH, GOT A TABLE THERE WITH THE FIRST OR THE SECOND COLUMN BEING THE FARMER'S BRANCH REMODEL, THE CENTER COLUMN BEING OPTION A ONE, AND THEN THE LAST COLUMN BEING THE DIFFERENCES. SO I WANNA JUST TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE. 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL JUST CONSTRUCTION RELATED HARD COSTS. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THE A ONE PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE THAT, AGAIN, FARMER'S BRANCH DID NOT HAVE TO FACE. SO OVER ON THE FAR RIGHT ARE SOME OF THE KEY DIFFERENCES ON CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO DEMOLITION OVER A MILLION DOLLARS JUST IN DEMOLITION ALONE ON THE ADDISON PROJECT BECAUSE OF TAKING THAT BUILDING ENVELOPE OFF AND HAULING THAT AWAY, ET CETERA. UM, THERE'S CONCRETE WORK, MASONRY WORK, STEEL WORK, AND THEN INSULATING THE BUILDING THAT, AGAIN, FARMER'S BRANCH HAD SOME MINIMAL COSTS IN THOSE AREAS, BUT NOTHING NEAR TO THE EXTENT THAT PROJECT A ONE WOULD DO. FARMER'S BRANCH HAD WALL FRAMING, CERTAINLY, BUT NOT, AGAIN, NOT TO THE EXTENT. UM, LAB EQUIPMENT, UH, ELEVATOR AT 108,000. UH, WE'RE TWO STORY BUILDING. A DA REQUIRES THE ELEVATOR. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT. UM, THIS BUILDING DOESN'T HAVE A FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM IN IT, SO BY CODE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED AND THEN A CONSIDERABLE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THE ELECTRICAL. THAT, THAT'S JUST, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT BUILDING IN 1984, PERSONAL COMPUTERS [01:45:01] AT EVERY DESK DIDN'T EXIST. SO THAT, THAT ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IS, IS MAXED OUT. IT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED, IT JUST TOTALLY NEEDS TO BE REDONE TO HAVE A FUNCTIONING, UH, MODERN BUILDING. SO THAT'S A CONSIDERABLE COST AT $1.4 MILLION. AND THEN YOU GET INTO AV CABLING AND SECURITY, UH, FOR THAT BUILDING AS WELL. SO, UH, THE SECOND ROW IN THE TABLE TALKS ABOUT A TEMPORARY FACILITY BECAUSE OF THE EXTENT OF THE REMODEL, FARMER'S BRANCH WAS ABLE TO STAY ON SITE AND THEY JUST KIND OF MOVED AROUND WITHIN THE BUILDING AS THEY REMODELED CERTAIN AREAS. THE EXTENT OF THE REMODEL AND TAKING WALLS OFF AND TAKING AIR CONDITIONERS OFFLINE, TAKING THE ROOF OFF, WOULD REQUIRE PERSONNEL AT THE ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MOVE TO A SEPARATE SITE. AND BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES AND NEEDS, THE COST OF RENTING, ADDING SECURITY AT THE TEMPORARY FACILITY, UH, THE COST ESTIMATORS HAVE INDICATED AT, UH, JUST UNDER $5 MILLION JUST FOR THAT TEMPORARY MOVE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY MONEY THAT'S, THAT'S LOST. IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE PROJECT, BUT AS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PROJECT TO MAKE THE PROJECT HAPPEN. UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, THOSE TYPICALLY ARE ABOUT 20% OF A PROJECT. SO AGAIN, WITH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION BEING LARGER AND MORE COMPLICATED AT A ONE, THAT'S THE PRICE DIFFERENCE YOU SEE THERE. THERE'S A UNIQUE SITUATION IN ADDISON WHERE WE MAY BE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE THE LAND UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN AERONAUTICAL USE AND IT'S PART OF THE AIRPORT, OR WE MAY BE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE A SEPARATE PIECE OF LAND TO, TO MAKE UP FOR THE LAND LOST ON THAT SITE. THAT, UM, THAT IS THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THAT. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN, BUT WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO INCLUDE THAT IN CASE, IN CASE THAT WERE AN EVENTUALITY THAT THE FAA REQUIRED US TO DO THAT. ENVIRONMENTAL ALLOWANCES, WE KNOW THERE'S, UM, MATERIAL, UH, IN THAT BUILDING THAT WILL NEED TO BE REMEDIATED AS PART, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT YOU HAVE TO CLEAN SOMETHING UP JUST TO TEAR IT DOWN AND THROW IT. BUT THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT ONCE WE GET INTO MAJOR DEMOLITION, WE WOULD MEET ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS ABOUT, UM, NEUTRALIZING THAT VERSUS JUST TEARING IT DOWN. UM, FURNITURE FIXTURE AND EQUIPMENT A LITTLE MORE EXTENSIVE IN THE A ONE OPTION. AND THEN CONTINGENCIES, BECAUSE WE'RE REMODELING A, A MUCH OLDER BUILDING THAT HAS NOT UNDERGONE ANY TYPE OF REMODEL IN ITS IN ITS LIFETIME, WE FELT IT WAS PRUDENT TO HAVE, UH, AN PLE AMOUNT OF, UH, CONTINGENCY THERE FOR THINGS THAT, THAT WE MIGHT FIND. AND THEN COST ESCALATION, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS 18 OR MONTHS SO DOWN THE ROAD POSSIBLY THAT, UM, WE NEED TO FACTOR IN COST ESCALATION FOR, UH, MATERIALS AND SUCH THAT FARMER'S BRANCH HAD A KNOWN COST. THEIR, THEIR PROJECT JUST COMPLETE. THEY KNEW WHAT ALL THEIR, THEY, THEY ENCOUNTERED THEIR CONTINGENCIES AND PAID FOR THEM. THEY BOUGHT THE MATERIAL, THEY BOUGHT THE LABOR, THEY HAD THE CONTRACT. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. WE'RE TRYING TO ESTIMATE WHAT WILL BE HAPPENING 18 MONTHS FROM NOW AND THEN PLUS ANOTHER 12 PLUS MONTHS DURING CONSTRUCTION AND, AND WHAT WE MIGHT ENCOUNTER THERE. SO THAT'S WHY YOU GET SUCH A SIGNIFICANT COST DIFFERENCE, UH, COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THERE AS PROPOSED TO WHAT, UH, OPTION A ONE IS, UH, SHOWING. SO AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE THAT, CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE ABOUT 13 MILLION HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES. AND THEN WE DO HAVE CONTINGENCIES, UM, THAT THEIR PROJECT DIDN'T HAVE. SO THANK YOU BACK TO CHIEF. THANK YOU, SIR. SO WE'LL GO INTO THE, THE SECOND OPTION. THE CHARGE THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD WAS TO LOOK AT RENOVATING AN EXISTING, UM, BUILDING. UH, WE IDENTIFIED A POTENTIAL BUILDING THAT COULD BE USED FOR THIS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. UM, THE SIDE AREA, UH, IS A LITTLE MORE ADEQUATE THAN WHAT WE WERE, THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT ABOUT 3.38 ACRES, UH, IS AN EXISTING THREE STORY, 62,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH A TWO LEVEL PARKING GARAGE ATTACHED TO IT. SO THIS WAS A, A PRETTY GOOD OPTION TO LOOK AT, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD OUR TEAM KIND OF REALLY DIVE DOWN AND SAY, HEY, COULD THIS BE A VIABLE OPTION? UM, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, UH, WITH ANYTHING EXISTING IS JUST THE LACK OF SITE FLEXIBILITY. YOU HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE CONFINES OF THAT CURRENT STRUCTURE. UM, AND IT IS A THREE STORY BUILDING. UM, SO IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP SOMETHING AT TWO FLOORS. UM, AND THAT'S JUST FOR STRATIFICATION. AS YOU KNOW, A POLICE CHIEF, I REALLY WANT A LOT OF MY PERSONNEL TOGETHER. UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH OUR CURRENT SITE RIGHT NOW IS ME AND MY ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF IS ON A SECOND FLOOR AND OPERATIONS IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. UM, SO ANYTIME WE'VE TALKED TO THE ARCHITECTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE DESIGN, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT I HAVE ALL OF MY PEOPLE AND ALL OUR OPERATIONS ON ONE LEVEL. I WONDER IF YOU GET TO A THREE FLOOR, UH, THREE STORY BUILDING, YOU REALLY JUST START TO GET KIND OF STRUNG OUT ABOUT THAT AND YOU KINDA LOSE THAT OPERATIONAL ABILITY AND THAT COHESIVENESS. UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIT A SMALL SUPPORT BUILDING ON THIS SITE. UM, THERE IS NO, UH, [01:50:02] SPACE ON THIS SITE IDENTIFIED FOR A FUTURE RANGE. UH, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OR SEVERAL BENEFITS, THERE'S MORE THAN SUFFICIENT PARKING, UH, THAT YOU DON'T GET WITH THE, UH, SITES ON THE, UH, UH, OPTION A, UH, THE BUILDING SIZE. IT IS MORE THAN SPACE THAN WHAT THE PROGRAMMING CALLS FOR, UM, REUSING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THERE'S NO TEMPORARY MOVE, UH, WITH A SITE LIKE THIS. SO AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA REALLY HELP WITH THE PROCESS AND JUST THE LOGISTICS OF KEEPING OUR OPERATIONS INTACT. UM, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, UH, THE GUN RANGE, UH, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE GETTING THE AMPLE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE PARKING CHIEF. IF I COULD JUST ADD, AS WE LOOK AT B AND C, WE ARE LOOKING AT EXAMPLES, UM, THAT WE DEVELOPED FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES. SO, B HAPPENS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. YOU'LL SEE SIMILARLY AT C THAT'S AN OPTION, BUT ULTIMATELY IF THIS WENT TO THE VOTERS AND THE VOTERS APPROVED IT AT THAT TIME, CITY COUNCIL WOULD SAY, IF WE LOOKED AT A RENOVATION, WHAT'S ON THE MARKET AT THAT TIME, AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD POSSIBLY GO. SO WE WENT INTO DETAIL ON THESE TWO OPTIONS SO THAT WE COULD COME TO A BUDGET THAT MADE SENSE, BUT WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT B OR C WHEN YOU SEE THESE LOCATIONS, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD END UP. THESE ARE JUST OPTIONS, UH, TO DEVELOP THAT BUDGET IN COMPARISON. YES, SIR. AND THEN MOVING ON TO OPTION C, WHICH WAS THE LAST CHARGE OF THE COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING AT NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, SO THE SITE THAT, UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL SITE IS THREE AND A HALF ACRES. UM, YOU COULD FIT A TWO STORY 39,000 SQUARE FOOT MAIN BUILDING WITH A 5,600 SQUARE FOOT SUPPORT BUILDING. UM, SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS, IT IS, UH, ADJACENT TO TOWN HALL. THERE IS SPACE IN THIS, UH, SITE TO ADD A FUTURE RANGE IF NEEDED. UM, THE SITE SIZE AND SHAPE OFFERS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY, UM, WHERE THIS CURRENT SITE, LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAID AS AN OPTION, JUST WHAT WE KIND OF LOOK FOR. THE TOWN DOES OWN A PORTION OF THIS SITE. UM, NO TEMPORARY MOVE. IT'S CLOSE TO TOWN HALL AND THERE'S SPACE FOR ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS TO BE ON ONE FLOOR. UH, THE CHALLENGE IS OBVIOUSLY SITE ACQUISITION, AS WITH ANY SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT SITE THAT WE'RE ON. AND ALSO WITH THIS, UH, MULTIFAMILY ADJACENCY. AND TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT, THAT'S NOT ONLY A CHALLENGE ON THIS SITE, THIS IS A CHALLENGE ON ANY SITE THAT WE FIND THROUGHOUT TOWN AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IF WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY, THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, VERY, VERY CLOSE TO US WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE IN THE RENDERINGS, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE'VE ADDED, UH, CANOPIES OVER ANY PARKING AREAS TO WHERE OUR OFFICERS WOULD WALK TO AND FROM THEIR VEHICLES TO PROVIDE THAT CONCEALMENT FOR ANY MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS LOOKING DOWN. UM, AND AGAIN, WITH ANY FUTURE SITE, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE SAFETY OF OUR EMPLOYEES IS THE ABSOLUTE TOP PRIORITY, AND WE WOULD TAKE THOSE, UM, CONCERNS AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE, UH, OR WE WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER THAT SITE OPTION. THIS SLIDE IS JUST, UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT. SO JUST KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE MUL, THE DIFFERENT, UH, OPTIONS. WE'VE LOOKED AT, UM, THE CHALLENGES, THE BENEFITS TO EACH, UM, WHICH INCLUDES WHAT OPTIONS, OPTIONS NOT INCLUDED, UM, DEFICITS AND SURPLUSES, AND THEN THE VERY PRELIMINARY, JUST ESTIMATION OF COSTS TO EACH. AND THEN TO BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FOR THE OPTION COST COMPARISONS TO EACH, THIS IS BROKEN DOWN TO HARD AND SOFT COSTS, RESERVES, THE SUBTOTAL PROJECT BUDGET, AND THEN ALSO, UM, AS BILL STATED, LOOKING AT ESCALATION FUTURE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE GONNA BE. TRYING TO REALLY DRILL DOWN WHAT THE OVERALL ALL IN BUDGET WOULD BE TAKING TO THE VOTERS MOVING FORWARD INTO THE PROJECT MILESTONE. SO THIS IS AN ESTIMATED TIMELINE WITH THE MAJOR MILESTONES AS WE GO FORWARD. UM, IF COUNCIL SO CHOOSES CALLING THE BOND ELECTION, UH, IN MAY, THAT, UH, AFTER A SUCCESSFUL, UH, PASSAGE OF THAT, WE WOULD LOOK AT, LOOK SELECTING A SITE IN JUNE ARCHITECT SELECT AND DESIGN WOULD START IN JULY. CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS RELEASED, UH, JULY OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR. NOTICE TO PROCEED IN OCTOBER WITH THE HOPES OF BEING FULLY OPERATIONAL IN WHATEVER OPTION WE CHOOSE. UM, Q1 OF 2029. UM, THE ABOVE TIMELINE IS REALLY WHAT ASSISTED IN PPV KIND OF COMING UP WITH THIS TOTAL, UH, THE PROJECT AMOUNT AS IT DOES ACCOUNT FOR STARTING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE ANYTHING AFTER THAT IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE ESCALATION COSTS, MORE DELAYS, THAT'S JUST GONNA IMPACT THE TOTAL BUDGET AMOUNT FOR THE PROJECT. BEFORE WE HAVE, UM, STEVEN GLICKMAN, OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER COME UP, WE WANTED TO PAUSE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. AND OF COURSE WE CAN PICK THAT UP AFTER STEVEN, BUT IN CASE THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WANTED TO PAUSE [01:55:01] FOR THAT. GREAT. CHRIS? YEAH, I, I HAVE SEVERAL AND SOME OF THESE ARE JUST REALLY QUICK. SO THE COURTHOUSE IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE HERE, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS A DISCUSSION FOR COUNSEL, BUT THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE MUCH NOTE ANY NOTES ABOUT A GYM. I KNOW WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PUTTING A FITNESS CENTER IN, IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? SURE. CHIEF, CAN I GET YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. YES. UH, SO IN THAT PROGRAMMING, UH, THAT WE'VE REFERENCED THAT ABOUT 44,000 SQUARE FEET THAT PROGRAMMING CALLS OUT FITNESS FACILITY, ALL OF OUR OFFICE SPACE, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WE NEED, WE HAVE THAT IN MUCH GREATER DETAIL, BUT JUST FOR THIS PRESENTATION, ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR. GREAT. SO YOU ARE GETTING THE GYM IN INTO THESE PROPOSED? YES. OKAY, GREAT. UM, I, I GUESS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE PAYING FOR OFFSITE STORAGE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT GOES ON. UM, IF I HAD TO GUESS THE HVAC OR, UM, INEFFICIENT. SO I'M, I'M GUESSING WHATEVER WE DO WITH NEW, THERE'LL BE SOME COST SAVINGS. IS THAT RIGHT? I WOULD, YES. SIGN SIGNIFICANT. I WOULD THINK. MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR BILL. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DETAIL YOU CAN GIVE, BUT I'M JUST GUESSING THERE, THERE'LL BE A TON OF COST SAVINGS HERE. SO DEPENDING ON WHICH IT, IT MAY BE A LARGER BUILDING WITH MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THE, UH, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, THE EFFICIENCIES, UH, IT'LL BE MUCH MORE, WE'LL HAVE TO MEET THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY CODE. SO IT'LL, IT'LL BE A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT BUILDING. SO GIVEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOT, IT WOULD BE LOWER ELECTRIC BILLS, LOWER MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA. BUT IF IT ENDS UP BEING LARGER, YOU'LL HAVE MORE, MORE SPACE TO. COOL. I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. ANY IDEA HOW MUCH WE SPEND A YEAR JUST ON MAINTENANCE ON THE BUILDING THAT WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE IN A NEWER FACILITY? SO THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS ABOUT $2 MILLION ON THAT BUILDING JUST TO KEEP IT, KEEP IT RUNNING. THINK, THINK KIND OF LIKE AN ANALOGY, AN OLDER CAR. YEAH. YOU, YOU GOTTA KEEP THE ENGINE RUNNING, YOU GOTTA KEEP THE TRANSMISSION. WE HAVEN'T PULLED THE DANCE, WE HAVEN'T REPAINTED IT. WE'VE JUST KEPT, WE, WE'VE KEPT IT ALIVE AND KEPT IT GOING. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS QUESTION IS FOR, IF IT'S FOR JAMIE OR, OR CHIEF. UM, DO WE CARE IF IT'S REALLY NOT ON THE AIRPORT? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME, YOU KNOW, OWNERS OUT THERE, SOME VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE PLANES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CONVERSATION EVER COMES UP AS WE'RE TRYING TO COMPETE FOR A BUSINESS IF, IF THAT REALLY MATTERS OR THAT CONVERSATION COMES UP. SO I I WILL, I DON'T, I DON'T, AND JAMIE CAN SPEAK TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT DIRECTLY FROM ANY OF THE AIRPORT TENANTS, BUT I'LL LET JAMIE SPEAK TO THAT. BUT WHILE HE DOES, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE REFERENCED A COUPLE TIMES WITH THE FAA CONVERSATION. UH, 'CAUSE YOU HEARD THOSE NUMBERS AND THE CONSERVATIVE, CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES THAT WE'VE PUT IN THERE. WHAT WE KNOW IS THE FAA HAS, UM, CHANGE THEIR INTERPRETATION TO SOME DEGREE, OR THEIR FOCUS ON NON AERONAUTICAL USES ON THE AIRPORT. THE POLICE STATION IS ON THE AIRPORT, AND WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A JUSTIFICATION PROCESS TO STAY ON THE AIR, ON AIRPORT PROPERTY BECAUSE WHILE WE OWN THE LAND, IT WAS FUNDED LARGELY THROUGH FAA GRANTS AND THERE WERE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WE THINK WE HAVE A STRONG CASE TO SAY THE POLICE STATION SERVES THE AIRPORT, BUT WE ARE PREPARING FOR ANY POSSIBILITY WITH THAT, WHICH COULD INVOLVE A LAND SWAP IF WE STAY THERE WHERE WE USED TOWN FUNDS TO PAY FOR LAND AND SWAP IT OR SOME OTHER ARRANGEMENT. STILL VERY EARLY ON, BUT WE ARE PREPARING FOR THAT. BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IS KIND OF WHAT THE CASE WE'RE GONNA MAKE TO THE FAA IS TO SAY THIS AIRPORT, THIS POLICE STATION DOES SERVE THE AIRPORT AND AS A BENEFIT TO THE AIRPORT. SO I'LL LET JAMIE MAYBE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT FROM THEIR VANTAGE POINT. DAVID, I WOULD JUST ADD, AS JAMIE'S COMING UP, WE DO HAVE A DEDICATED POLICE OFFICER THAT DOES SERVE THE AIRPORT. AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL BUSINESSES HOW IMPORTANT, UH, THAT RELATIONSHIP IS. BUT I'LL LET JAMIE SPEAK MORE. GOOD EVENING. JAMIE AOSA, AIRPORT DIRECTOR. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, UM, I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK THAT WOULD BE NEGATIVE RELATED TO THE POLICE STATION BEING IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE. THE, A LOT OF THE TENANTS LIKE THE FACT THAT THE, THE POLICE STATION IS SO CLOSE THAT IT'S BASICALLY AT THE AIRPORT. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A POSITIVE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM . AND WE DO, IF, IF WE DO MOVE THE POLICE STATION, WE WILL HAVE A PRESENCE THERE ON THE AIRPORT ANYWAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE AT LEAST ONE OFFICER THERE. CORRECT. WE HAVE ONE OFFICER THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF A MEMBER OF THE AIRPORT STAFF. OKAY. THAT HAS THEIR WORKS WORKSTATION AT THE AIRPORT ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING. OKAY. UH, AND THIS IS, UH, MY LAST QUESTION IS FOR CHRIS. SO WHATEVER WE DO, I MEAN, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NEEDED AND WHENEVER WE DO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, IT, IT FITS WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED TERM I WAS HOPING WHERE WE MAY LAND [02:00:01] IS OPTION B. YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME STRUGGLING OFFICE BUILDINGS IN TOWN. I WAS THINKING WE'D PICK IT UP ON THE CHEAP AND THEN RENOVATE. I NEVER THOUGHT UNTIL YOU SAID IT, THAT JUST THE FOOTPRINT OF SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS, MULTIPLE FLOORS WON'T WORK. SO I MEAN, HOW, HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT TO YOU TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT ALL OF YOUR GUYS IN ON ONE OR TWO FLOORS, SO TO YOUR IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE TOLD THIS STORY BEFORE. WHEN I TOOK THIS POSITION, I MET WITH EVERY SINGLE OFFICER AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENT. AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES OR THINGS THAT CAME UP CONSTANTLY WAS JUST COMMUNICATION AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS. AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS JUST THE WAY THAT THE CURRENT DEPARTMENT IS, IS STRUCTURED, RIGHT? UM, WE ALL GET BUSY AND WE WALK AROUND AND IT, UNLESS YOU'RE BEING DILIGENT, YOU COULD GO A DAY OR TWO WITHOUT ACTUALLY WALKING BY AND SEEING YOUR OFFICERS. UM, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE MY OFFICERS EVERY SINGLE DAY AND JUST WALKING TO THE BREAK ROOM, RIGHT? AND HAVING THOSE INNOCUOUS MEETUPS, THAT'S WHEN THINGS REALLY, REALLY HAPPEN. I MEAN, AS A, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS OWNER OR NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE WORKING, ANYTIME YOU ENGAGE WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES AND NOT THAT FORMAL SETTING, JUST WALKING BY HAVING THOSE IMPROMPTU CONVERSATIONS, THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY BUILD TEAMWORK, COMRADERY. THAT'S WHERE COLLABORATION STARTS. SO ONE THING THAT I'VE TALKED TO OUR ARCHITECTS DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BIG, UM, DRIVING FACTOR FOR ME IS WHATEVER WE END UP WITH AS WE GO THROUGH DESIGN, IF POSSIBLE, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL OF MY TEAM MEMBERS IN ONE SPACE. I THOUGHT OF ONE MORE, UM, A GUN RANGE IF WE DID THE SITE ON MORRIS, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WEAPONS YOU WOULD FIRE, BUT WOULD THAT IN ANY WAY INTERFERE WITH THE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT? NO, SIR. THAT'S, UH, ANY RANGE IS INDOOR, UH, THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT DOING. UM, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA POSE ANY ISSUES TO OKAY. ANY ADJACENT BUILDINGS OR, UH, FAMILY STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. WE'RE RANDY. THANK YOU. THIS IS MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION AS TO THE SCOPE OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT BEING A WORK SESSION. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING. AND BEFORE I GET INTO A BIG LONG QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF MY LONG QUESTIONS ON THIS TONIGHT, WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS THE SCOPE AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TIMELINE EARLIER, WE'RE, OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE, IF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD TO ADOPT THIS TO CALL AN ELECTION ON FEBRUARY 10TH. SO WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF MEETINGS. SO OUR HOPE IS THAT YOU GET AS MANY QUESTIONS OUT AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN HAVE ANSWERS FOR YOU, BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT ORG SESSION AND MOVE THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVE A STEP CLOSER TO THE FEBRUARY 10TH DATE. SO AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU HAVE AND AND GUIDANCE WE CAN GET IS, IS, IS GONNA HELP US GET TO THAT GOAL. BUT THE OVERALL SCOPE OF EVEN THIS BOND ELECTION IS NOT TO PICK A, B, C, OR D IT IS BASICALLY JUST A DOLLAR FIGURE PACKAGE AND THEN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT DOLLAR FIGURE LATER. CORRECT? CORRECT. I THINK, UH, THE REASON WE GO THROUGH B AND C IS TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT COUNSEL WILL DECIDE ON AND ULTIMATELY THE VOTERS WILL BE THAT CAP ON WHAT CAN BE SPENT. YEAH. UH, DARREN, THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION. UH, JUST I'M GONNA KIND OF, UH, SCALE THINGS FOR MYSELF TO KIND OF CALIBRATE MORE TALKING ABOUT WHAT 55 MILLION LOOKS LIKE. UM, SO DOES THE FARM, HOW BIG IS THE FARMER'S BRANCH PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER GOT CLARIFICATION ON THAT. IT'S A LOT BIGGER. WE IT IS, IT IS. SIZEABLY BIGGER. WE ASKED A FEW TIMES FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT SIDE OPTIONS AND RENDERINGS. WE NEVER GOT THE FIRM BECAUSE ON THE A OPTIONS WE'RE LANDLOCKED. YES. AND IF WE WEREN'T, WE'D HAVE A LOT MORE OPTIONS. OPTIONS. UM, SO ON THE C OPTION, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, ON THE LAYOUT THERE, IT SAYS THERE'S A SUPPORT BUILDING AND THEN IT SAYS THERE'S NOT A SUPPORT BUILDING. IT'S A LITTLE IN THE WEEDS. C LOOKS LIKE, UH, DOES INCLUDE SUPPORT BUILDING. IT DOES. OKAY. SO THE DOES NOT THING IS, DOESN'T INCLUDE DOES INCLUDE. OKAY, GOT IT. I READ THAT WRONG. OH, NO WORRIES. SO ON THAT ONE, THAT TYPE OF, UM, LAYOUT, WHAT'S TO STOP HAVING PARKING UNDERNEATH AND THEN A FLAT BUILDING ON THE TOP. AND THEN ON THE FIRST LEVEL, ALSO HAVING THE GUN RANGE. SO IT IS NOT ON THE SECOND LEVEL OR MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING ABOVE IT. PEOPLE ABOVE IT OR SO, SO BY, UH, BUILDING, LIKE GOING INTO THE GROUND BUILDING LIKE A LOW PARKING STRUCTURE? NO, JUST PARKING ON THE BOTTOM. THERE'S A COUPLE BUILDINGS, UH, LIKE THE AIRPORT OFFICE BUILDING OVER THERE HAS PARKING UNDERNEATH AND THEN OFFICES ON TOP. IS THAT, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BETTER. A ANSWERED BY JASON ARCHITECTS GOING INTO IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S UM, 'CAUSE A LOT OF SERVICE PARKING TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE. YEAH. HEY, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. JASON CAVE WITH GFF. UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION IF YOU COULD PLEASE CLARIFY. SURE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT [02:05:01] ON, ON THE SURFACE LEVEL TRYING TO PARK JUST THE PUBLIC OR ALL THE SECURE STAFF PARKING. UM, IT, IT COULD BE, UH, SEPARATED AND YOU COULD HAVE SECURE FOR THE STAFF. BUT ON C THAT I'M LOOKING AT, ON, ON THE PICTURE THERE, IF YOU HAD ALL OF THOSE, UM, COVERINGS WHERE THE PARKING IS, THAT THAT'S ALL BUILDING. IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THE FIRST FLOOR IS PARKING, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT, UH, ABOUT 130 PARKING SPACES THAT WE NEED ON THIS SITE. UM, AND, AND THE FOOTPRINT TO COVER THAT, UH, IS MUCH LARGER, LARGER THAN WE NEED FOR, FOR THE BUILDING. SO YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING ROUGHLY 45,000 SQUARE FEET IS KIND OF THE L SHAPE. UH, EVEN IF WE SPREAD THAT OUT INTO ONE FLOOR PLATE, WE REALLY WOULDN'T COVER ALL THE PARKING. SO YOU COVER ALL THE PARKING AND ON THE FIRST LEVEL OF THE PARK OF, OF THE STRUCTURE IS PARKING, THE SECOND LEVEL IS OFFICE. YES. YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT. THERE'S A NUMBER OF FUNCTIONS IN THE POLICE BUILDING THAT REALLY WANT TO BE ON A FIRST FLOOR RATHER THAN GOING UP AND DOWN ELEVATORS OR STAIRS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY EVIDENCE VAULT. UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE MOVING A LOT OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ITEMS IN AND OUT CONSTANTLY. UM, YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, YOUR PATROL SHIFTS IN AND OUT AND WHEN YOU MOVE EVERYBODY UP ONTO A SECOND FLOOR, NOW YOU'RE CAUSING THAT EXTRA, YOU KNOW, STAIR TRAVEL, ELEVATOR TRAVEL. THAT MAKES SENSE. ON OUR TOUR WITH CHIEF, UH, WHEN WE LOOKED, UH, LAST WEEK, UH, IT WAS MORE ABOUT A, AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT OR A MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT OF, OF IF YOU WERE ALL ON ONE FLOOR VERSUS ALL ON THE FIRST FLOOR NECESSARILY OR THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT EVERYBODY ON ONE FLOOR. THAT'S THE CON THAT'S THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT I WAS GOING ON. YEAH, SO WE, SO THOSE ASPECTS BEING ON THE FIRST FLOOR CHIEF IS, IS MORE IMPORTANT IT BEING A GROUND FLOOR AND IN THIS CASE ALL THE, ALL THE UH, UH, PEOPLE SPACES ARE ON THE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT THE HEAVY USE KIND OF IN, OUT ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE HEAVY USE PATROL SPACES, PROPERTY EVIDENCE, AND THEN KIND OF THE STATIC OFFICE SPACE, WHICH IS WHAT CHIEF IS REFERRING TO, IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO HAVING PARKING UNDERNEATH COULD BE AN OPTION IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A LARGER BUILDING AND MOVE THINGS AROUND TO HAVE A DRIVING A SHOOTING RANGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ON THE, ON THE GROUND LEVEL. BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WAS YOU CAN'T HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE ON THE SECOND LEVEL. DOESN'T WORK OUT WELL FOR SOME REASON, AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE REUSE. YEAH, IT'S A ROBUST KIND OF HARDENED SPACE. UM, THERE'S ALSO A STORM SHELTER COMPONENT. THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF PRETTY IMMOVABLE OBJECTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA WANNA LIFT UP TO A SECOND FLOOR. SO YOU WOULD HAVE A, YOU COULD HAVE A PORTION WITH TUCK UNDER PARKING. OKAY. SO I, I'M, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, I KNOW YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF. I JUST WANTED TO ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. I'M SURE THEY'LL BE CONSIDERED, UH, IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROUTE. UM, OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, WHAT ABOUT EXPANSION AND GROWTH? MAYBE MORE FOR CHIEF? UH, SO THE FIRST BUILDING AT 30,000 SQUARE FEET, TWO LEVELS, UM, WAS 35 PEOPLE AT THAT TIME BACK IN 84. AND NOW WE'RE AT ABOUT 75. UM, SO WHAT'S, WHAT ARE WE BUILDING FOR? WHAT'S THE GROWTH CAPACITY? RIGHT? SO WE TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHENEVER WE WORKED WITH JASON AND HIS TEAM TO DO THAT SPACE PROGRAMMING. UM, THE GOOD THING IS AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING, LET'S JUST SAY PATROL OFFICERS, THEY DON'T REALLY NEED A LOT OF SPACE INSIDE OF A BUILDING. THEY'RE OUT ON THE STREET. SO YOU'RE REALLY ADDING THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AND LOCKER ROOMS AND BREAK AREAS. UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING PROFESSIONAL STAFF, THAT'S OUR RECORDS PERSONNEL, CRIME ANALYSTS, UH, ALL OF THE, UM, ANCILLARY POSITIONS NOT DONE BY OFFICERS IN UNIFORM. THAT'S WHERE THEY NEED THAT DEDICATED SPACE, UH, OFFICE SPACE. WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT, UH, FOR FUTURE GROWTH IN THE SPACE PROGRAMMING AND ALL THAT HAS ENCOMPASSED WITHIN WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED AT THAT 45,000 SQUARE FOOT MARK. SO WHAT'S THE TIME SPAN USAGE OF THIS SPACE OR PROPERTY? ARE WE TALKING ANOTHER 40 YEARS? ARE WE 20 YEARS? WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR OBJECTIVE? SO ANY UH, ADDITIONAL STAFFING WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS THAT'S BEEN BUILT INTO BASICALLY THE BUILDING OF THIS STRUCTURE IS GOING TO, UH, BE ADEQUATE FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH THAT WE'RE PROJECTING. I DON'T WANT TO GET PIGEONHOLED AND SAY, HEY, IN FIVE YEARS WE WANNA ADD THIS MANY POSITIONS. BUT LOOKING AT THE LIFE OF, OF THE BUILDING OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT, HEY, THIS IS THE FUTURE GROWTH WHERE WE'D LIKE TO BE. AND THAT SPACE HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR AND IT CAN BE MODULAR AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING UP SO WE'RE NOT JUST ADDING WASTED SPACE IN THE BEGINNING. OKAY. UM, UH, I'LL, I'LL COME BACK. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THE SHOOTING RANGE AS WELL. THAT'S, UM, I WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CLARIFICATION IN THE, IN THE, UH, ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. BUT YES SIR, I'LL COME BACK AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE TAKE A TURN. MORNING. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, ON THE REPLACEMENT AT THE SAME LOCATION, I THINK THAT WAS A THREE POSSIBLY. OKAY. AND WHAT, WHAT WAS THE COST? UH, THE [02:10:01] PROJECTED COST ON THAT? THE 63,000 OR 63 MILLION APPROXIMATELY. OKAY. AND SO, UM, THE BOND COMMITTEE'S, UH, RECOMMENDING 55 MILLION. DO THEY NOT LIKE, UM, THE A THREE OPTION OR JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHY THAT SEEMED TO, IT SEEMED TO KIND OF RULE OUT, SO ANYTHING OVER 55 MILLION. SO, UM, THE BOND COMMITTEE REALLY FOCUSED IN ON OPTIONS B AND C, UM, WITH A BIGGER, ONE OF THE ISSUES BEING JUST NOT HAVING TO RELOCATE, UM, AND USE THE FUNDS AND UPROOT OPERATIONS TO DO THAT. SO THAT WAS REALLY KINDA ONE OF THE MAIN FOCUS ON EARLY ON IN THE, THE BOND COMMITTEE MEETINGS IS WHY THEY LOOKED AT THOSE TWO OPTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND SO ON OUR CURRENT, UM, GUN RANGE, IS THAT ADEQUATE FOR RIFLES? NO, SIR. OKAY. AND WHERE DO WE GO FOR, FOR RIFLE? UH, QUALIFICATIONS? SO WE, WHERE WE CAN GET IN, UH, USUALLY WE, UH, PARTNER WITH CARROLLTON TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR RANGE. UM, BUT WITH THAT IS WE'RE UM, VYING FOR, FOR SPACE WITH OTHER AGENCIES. UM, PATROL RIFLES HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED AT 50 YARDS. UM, WHENEVER THIS FACILITY WAS CONSTRUCTED, PATROL RIFLES WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A THING THAT OFFICERS WERE CARRYING, WHICH IS WHY IT'S AT 25 YARDS. OKAY. AND UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, WHAT WE'RE HEARING BACK IS, IS THE GUN RANGE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS, UH, YOUR TEAM BEING TOGETHER, UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM YOU THAT, THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH A TWO STORY BUILDING. YOU'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE TWO STORY. YES SIR. OKAY. AND SO ON, IF, IF WE HAVE THE MUNICIPAL COURT OPERATING HERE, UM, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THOSE, THE, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT'S EMPLOYEES WOULD MOVE OFFICE? THEY WOULD STAY IN, IN THE, IN THE FACILITY? UH, OFFICE SPACE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. THE ONLY SPACE THAT WE LOOKED AT MOVING AND REALLOCATING WAS THE ACTUAL COURTROOM. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES SIR. HOWARD, THE COST FOR THE LAND THAT, THAT THE POLICE STATION'S CURRENTLY SITTING ON, ARE WE TRIGGERING SOMETHING BY DOING SOMETHING? IS OR IS IS THE FAA ARE THE AIRPORT LOOKING AT US TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT LAND EVEN IF WE DID NOTHING WITH THE POLICE? YEAH, SO THIS, THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE COMING REGARDLESS. IT WAS JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AT THE SAME TIME. UM, AND I DO WANNA REITERATE THAT IS THE NUMBER YOU SEE THERE. I EXPECT AND HOPE IT'S NOT THAT NUMBER WE ARE JUST BEING CONSERVATIVE, BUT THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE HAPPENING REGARDLESS. AND THAT NUMBER IS JUST UNDER 4 MILLION, IS THAT WHAT I REMEMBER? CORRECT. AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON A PROJECTED VALUE OF THE LAND AND WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO DO A LAND SWAP IF WE BOUGHT SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY THROUGH THE FENCE THAT BECOMES PART OF THE AIRPORT AND THEN WE DO A SWAP OF THAT PROPERTY. OKAY. SO THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE FENCE THAT'S WEST OF WHERE THE BUILDING CURRENTLY SITS, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, SO IF, IF WE DID A LAND SWAP, THE WAY THAT WOULD LOOK WOULD BE THE TOWN WOULD PURCHASE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE AIRPORT, MOST LIKELY SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY A THROUGH THE FENCE AGREEMENT. THE TOWN WOULD PURCHASE THAT AND THEN SWAP IT WITH THE PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE AIRPORT. SO THE BOUNDARIES OF THE AIRPORT WOULD CHANGE TO INCLUDE THE NEW PROPERTY BUT NOT INCLUDE THE AIRPORT. AND THE AIRPORT WOULD BE OFF AIRPORT, THE POLICE STATION, I'M SORRY, POLICE STATION WOULD BE OFF AIRPORT PROPERTY AT THAT TIME. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU SAID THROUGH THE FENCE, YOU MEAN COMING FROM THE AIRPORT THROUGH THE FENCE TO LAND THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY ON THE AIRPORT. AND MY QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE, BUT IT'S THE SAME IDEA. MY QUESTION WAS THE OPPOSITE BECAUSE JUST TO THE WEST OF THE POLICE STATION WE TALKED ABOUT IT, THERE IS SOME LAND THERE THAT'S UNDEVELOPED OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AVAILABLE OR NOT AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET THAT, BUT IF WE COULD LET THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATE WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS AND ACQUIRE THAT LAND TO THE WEST OF IT AND BUILD THE NEW STATION THERE, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MOVE TWICE AND THEN SCRAPE THE BUILDING WE HAVE AND LET THAT BECOME THE PARKING LOT. IS THAT A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE? I MEAN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR LAND SOMEWHERE, IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? YEAH. SO LET, AND I'LL JUST USE A LITTLE SOME LANGUAGE JUST TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYONE. SO THAT LAND THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF JUST TO THE WEST IS ALREADY ON AIRPORT PROPERTY? THERE'S NO, THROUGH THE FENCE AGREEMENT IT IS ON AIRPORT PROPERTY. AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN HAVE, IT WOULD INVOLVE A SIMILAR DISCUSSION WITH THE FAA TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO USE THIS ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TO EXPAND. SO I CAN'T SAY HOW LIKELY THAT IS, BUT THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE COULD HAVE IF WE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIRE MORE LAND FOR THE POLICE STATION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON AIRPORT PROPERTY. ALL OPTIONS WOULD BE ON THE TABLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AT THIS TIME TO SAY IF THAT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT. OKAY. SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. MY OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE TWO ISSUES, THE DART ISSUE, THE POLICE BUILDING ISSUE AND PUTTING IT ON, ON THE AGENDA OR ON FOR AN ELECTION. IF WE PUT THIS ON FOR MAY FOR THE VOTE FOR THIS BOND AND IT FAILS, WHAT [02:15:02] CAN WE DO IT AGAIN IN NOVEMBER? OR WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RULES IF THE PEOPLE DON'T APPROVE IT? BOND ELECTION FAILS, BOND ELECTION. BOND ELECTION FAILS, IT CAN COME BACK FOR ANOTHER ELECTION. WE AS A TOWN CANNOT ISSUE COS FOR THREE YEARS, FIVE, NOW IT'S FIVE, YET IT CHANGED TO FIVE. WE CAN'T ISSUE COS FOR A SIMILAR PURPOSE FOR FIVE YEARS. SO WE COULDN'T ISSUE DEBT OUTSIDE OF A BOND ELECTION PROCESS. BUT A BOND ELECTION COULD ALL COULD COME BACK TO THE VOTERS AGAIN? YES. OKAY. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A FIVE YEAR WAIT. SO THAT FIVE YEAR WAIT IS ONLY FOR COS CORRECT. FUNDING IT SOME OTHER WAY, BUT WE CAN PUT IT BACK ON FOR A NOVEMBER ELECTION? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU DAN. THANK YOU. THANKS CHIEF. UM, QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE GUN RANGE, UM, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF A GUN RANGE. UH, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THE INSTANCE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT MAYBE YOU HAVE IN YOUR HISTORY OR CAREER, DO WE EVER HAVE OFFICERS? WHAT IS THE, THE TOWN'S LIABILITY? LET'S SAY WE HIRE AN OFFICER, THEY'RE IN THEIR ROOKIE YEAR, SECOND YEAR THEY ACCIDENTALLY DISCHARGE THEIR WEAPON. UH, LACK OF TRAINING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A GUN RANGE AND, AND THE TOWN GETS SUED. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WEIGH THE OPTIONS OF A LAWSUIT, UM, FROM A CIVILIAN, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY GETS ACCIDENTALLY SHOT BY AN OFFICER ISN'T TRAINED AS THE EXCUSE, I WASN'T ABLE TO BE TRAINED ENOUGH. HAVE YOU COME ACROSS THAT IN YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHERE SOMEBODY, YOU HEAR ABOUT IT ON NATIONAL NEWS EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT HAVE YOU COME ACROSS THAT PERSONALLY? UH, PERSONALLY, NO SIR. BUT I MEAN PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GONNA LOOK TO BE LITIGIOUS AGAINST ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT OR TOWN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY. SO THAT IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WITH THE LAWSUITS WHEN THEY COME IN IS THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA LOOK AT TRAINING RECORDS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE OFFICERS TRAINED, WHAT LEVEL OF TRAINING DO THEY HAVE? UM, AND SO IF YOU EVER FIND YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE AN OFFICER MAKES YOU KNOW A MISTAKE, AND THEN THEIR TRAINING RECORDS CALL INTO QUESTION AND IT'S NOT WITHIN BEST PRACTICES OR THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE TRAINING THERE, THEN AS A TOWN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WRITING A CHECK. YEAH, I, I, I WOULD ASSUME SOMEWHERE IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF THOSE SUITS, MAYBE NICOLE CAN CHIME IN IF SHE HAS ANY EXPERIENCE ON THIS, BUT I THINK THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS, THE GUN RANGE TO ME IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT AS YOUR BREAK ROOM OR YOUR WEIGHT ROOM IN TERMS OF PREPARATION FOR THE JOB AT HAND AND WITH NO GUN RANGE OR THE ACCESSIBILITY TO A GUN RANGE. TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING OURSELVES IN A HANDCUFF. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. SO, AND I, SORRY FOR NOT BEING CLEAR THROUGHOUT THIS, ALL OF THESE OPTIONS. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A GUN RANCH. IT IS 25 YARDS. UM, SO WE GO OUT THERE WITH OFFICERS TRAINED ANYTIME THEY WANT, IT'S ONSITE. THAT OPTION WITH ALL OF THESE POTENTIAL SITES IS GOING TO REMAIN FOR AS LONG AS IT CAN. EVEN IF THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE'RE ABLE TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION UP AND MOVE THAT RANGE WILL STILL BE THERE FOR SOME TIME. HOPEFULLY, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT, CAN WE BUILD ANOTHER RANGE ON WHATEVER SITE WE LAND ON. SO WHAT, FROM DAY ONE, WE'RE NOT LOSING THAT CAPABILITY. NOW, GOING FORWARD WITH LOVE TO, IF WE'RE GONNA DO A NEW BUILD, LOOK AT A 50 YARD RANGE, BECAUSE THAT'S NEWEST ADVANCES. WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, VIE FOR TRAINING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE CAN TRAIN WITH ALL OF OUR, UM, LESS LEGAL HANDGUNS RIFLES, BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE A 25 YARD RANGE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT RANGE. EVEN IF WE PICK AN OPTION WHERE WE'RE REMOVING OFFSITE AND WE'RE BUILDING ELSEWHERE, WE WILL STILL HAVE USE OF THAT 25 YARD RANGE. WE'RE NOT GIVING THAT UP. OKAY. WHEN, WHEN WE DO RIFLE TRAINING, YOU SAID WE GO TO CARROLLTON, SOMETIMES OUTDOOR RANGE. IS THERE A, IS THERE A TOWN ASSOCIATED FEE WITH THAT OR A, UH, IT'S NOMINAL. UH, IT'S, IT'S AN AGREEMENT WE'VE HAD THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THEM FOR FOREVER. OKAY. SO REVERSE THE, THE, THE QUESTION WOULD BE WE GET A 50 YARD RANGE, OTHER OFFICERS COULD COME AND TRAIN ON OUR RANGE. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE HAVE THAT, THAT, UH, AGREEMENT WITH OTHER AGENCIES. NOW THEY COME IN, UM, THEY DO TRAINING AND THEY HELP COVER THE COST OF OUR RANGE CLEANING WHENEVER WE HAVE TO DO MAINTENANCE ON IT. OKAY. BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF OVERALL, 'CAUSE I WAS SEEING IN SOME OF THESE SLIDES NO RANGE. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED ME TO THINK, WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE A RANGE, IN MY OPINION. WE, AND AGAIN, THAT'S GOING BACK ALSO TO VERY, VERY SITE SELECTIVE WHAT, YOU KNOW, OPTION B, THAT PARTICULAR SITE LOOKING WOULD NOT HAVE THE OPTION FOR THAT. BUT NOT TO SAY IF WE COME TO THIS PROCESS AND ANOTHER BUILDING COMES UP AND THE SITE'S PERFECT, AND WE COULD ADD A RANGE, UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE WOULD WORK THROUGH THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. OKAY. BUT THEN THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING A RANGE IS CALCULATED WITHIN THE 55 ASK THE ESTIMATED $55 MILLION ASK. SO YEAH, THE, THANKS FOR BRINGING THE QUESTION. I, I WANT TO PROVIDE CLARITY TO THAT, BUT ALSO TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT ON THE BOND COMMITTEE'S CONVERSATION THAT THE CHAIR MENTIONED AT THE, AT THE ONSET, THESE COSTS DO NOT INCLUDE A RANGE. SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT $55 MILLION NUMBER ON B OR C, THOSE DO NOT INCLUDE A RANGE ON C, WHAT DO WE HAVE SHOWN IS WHERE A POTENTIAL RANGE COULD GO? THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE. THEY WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF HAVING A RANGE FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT YOU SAID, AS WE GOT DOWN TO DOLLARS, IT WAS JUST WHAT WAS THE THRESHOLD THAT THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH FROM A DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE, THAT'S WHERE THE BOND COMMITTEE LANDED WITH THE 55 MILLION. [02:20:01] BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE DISCUSSION, THERE WAS BROAD CONSENSUS TO FIND A WAY TO GET A RANGE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING. THIS BUDGET UPFRONT DOES NOT INCLUDE FUNDING FOR A RANGE. IF COSTS COME IN LOWER, IF THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, THE THE SIGN, THE OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMITTEE WAS FIND A WAY TO DO IT AS SOON AS YOU CAN. BUT WE WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS 55 MILLION DOES NOT INCLUDE BUILDING A NEW RANGE AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW. YEAH. I WAS AT, I WAS AT THAT FINAL MEETING AND HEARD THERE WAS, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS. IT WAS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS DIDN'T THINK WE NEEDED A RANGE. SOME OF THE, SOME OF THEM SORT OF FELT MANDATORY. WE HAD TO HAVE A RANGE. LIKE I DO, I THINK, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER, I THINK I WOULD SAY I THINK THEY ALL TO A PERSON, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERY ONE OF 'EM CORRECT. BELIEVED IN HAVING A RANGE. IT WAS JUST THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WHAT MADE SENSE RIGHT NOW THAT WE PRIORITIZE THE BUILDING NOW AND WAIT ON A RANGE FOR THE FUTURE, UTILIZE THE RANGE THAT WE HAVE NOW UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT. I THINK THAT WAS, YOU DID HEAR A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT, BUT I, I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN CONTENTION AMONGST THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY. THANKS CHIEF FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I APPRECIATE IT. RANDY. THANK YOU. I REALLY WANT TO CONCENTRATE ON THE 55 MILLION THAT WE'RE TRYING JUST AS A DOLLAR FIGURE. WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT, THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING OR REQUIRING? WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? FOR THE NEW PROGRAMMING? IT'S ROUGHLY 44,000. SOME CHANGE ABOUT ABOUT 44,000. WHAT DOES THAT WORK OUT? PER SQUARE FOOT? YOU'RE GONNA ASK ME TO DO MATH AGAIN, SIR, AND I'M NOT WELL, LET, LET, LET, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ON MY CALCULATOR HERE, LET ME DO, I WENT TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL, BUT LET ME JUST FIGURE THIS OUT. DIVIDED BY 44,000 SQUARE FEET, 1200 SQUARE FOOT, ABOUT 1200 A SQUARE FOOT, ABOUT 12. UH, THAT'S THE FIGURE I CAME UP WITH MY HEAD, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PHONE SAID THAT. UM, I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF LOOKING AT, AT COMPARABLE PROJECTS WITHIN OUR AREA HERE. UH, ALAN IS BUILDING A BRAND NEW FACILITY THAT, THAT IS ABOUT TO BE FINISHED. IT'S A HUNDRED AND SOME ODD SQUARE FEET. IT'S A POLICE BUILDING FOR 97 MILLION. THEY'RE COMING IN AT AROUND 940 A SQUARE FEET. PLANO JUST FINISHED A 24,000 SQUARE FEET POLICE STATION. UH, THEY CAME IN AT $458 A SQUARE FOOT. WHERE ARE WE COMING UP WITH $1,200 A SQUARE FOOT WITHOUT A JAIL? THAT'S, UM, THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE AN EXTRAORDINARY NUMBER TO ME. IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR, I'M GONNA LET JASON AND THEN POSSIBLY AND THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. IT'S SO THEY CAN TALK TO ESCALATION COSTS GOING INTO THAT, AND I'M LOOKING AT ESCALATION COSTS HERE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT 11 MILLION, YOU KNOW, FROM TWO AND A HALF TO $11 MILLION ON ESCALATION COSTS ON THIS DEAL. AND I, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING FOR 55 AND I DON'T SEE ANY 55 NUMBER ACROSS THE BOARD HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE COMING IN ON THIS. AND SO, UH, BEFORE WE HAVE, UH, PEAK PROGRAM VALUE, WHO IS OUR COST ESTIMATOR COMING IN? I WOULD SAY I, I GET YOUR POINT 54 2. SO WE'RE DOING, WE'RE ROUNDING UP TO 55. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WE ALSO, I SEE THAT WE WENT THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMITTEE, WE WENT IN MUCH MORE DETAIL ON THE, LIKE, LINE BY LINE ALMOST, OR CATEGORY BY CATEGORY ON THE COST. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING FOR. THAT'S WHAT I'M, WAS TRYING TO GET THE SCOPE OF THIS MEETING AND WE HAVE THAT. YEP, I GET IT. YEP. OKAY. AND SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH ALL THAT DETAIL. I WANT IT PRESENTED. I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO SIT, SIT AT HOME AND READ IT, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. I GOTCHA. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN BRING BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. BUT I DO THINK IT'S GREAT QUESTIONS AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COST ESTIMATING PROCESS. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DAVID. I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, MAYOR. WHEN, WHEN WE DO THAT, AS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE PARTNER WITH A THIRD PARTY, UH, FIRM TO ACTUALLY CHALLENGE THE NUMBERS FROM GFF. AND SO I HAVE CHRIS QUADRA FROM PEAK PROGRAM VALUE TO WALK THROUGH THOSE COSTS. SO CHRIS, IF YOU WANNA COME UP. HI. UM, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THAT IMPORTANT QUESTION. MY NAME IS CHRIS QUADRA. I'M WITH PEAK PROGRAM VALUE. UM, WE'RE A PROJECT CONTROLS FIRM CURRENTLY RUNNING ABOUT $638 MILLION WORTH OF, UM, PROJECTS IN, UH, THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. UM, I'M A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL ESTIMATOR. UM, I'VE SPENT 40 YEARS, UM, DOING WHAT I LOVE, WHICH IS DOING DETAILED CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES FOR CONCEPTUAL DISCUSSIONS JUST LIKE THIS. UM, THESE COST MODELS ARE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 15 AND 30 PAGES WORTH OF DETAIL [02:25:02] THAT BREAKS DOWN THE FOUNDATIONS AND THE VARIOUS SYSTEMS. UM, AND IT, IF ANYONE AND WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THAT FURTHER, PLEASE CONTACT DAVID GAINES AND WE CAN SCHEDULE A PRIVATE DISCUSSION. UH, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE THAT'S UP THERE NOW, THE, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR'S CONTRACT IS, UH, ON OPTION C, WHICH IS 35.2 MILLION, UM, IS A MUCH LOWER NUMBER THAN OBVIOUSLY IF YOU TAKE THE BOTTOM, UM, THE BOTTOM LINE AND RUN THAT NUMBER. SO IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE LAND ACQUISITION COSTS AND SOFT COSTS, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, OTHER COSTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT, UM, CONSTRUCTION COST CONTRACTS. AND THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY LINE ITEMS ARE FOR BOTH THE UNFORESEEABLE THINGS THAT WE COULD FIND. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE GO TO BUY, DO THE LAND ACQUISITION, WE MIGHT FIND OURSELVES, UM, NEEDING TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TO ACQUIRE THE LAND THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGETED. AND THE ESCALATION IS A VERY, VERY LARGE NUMBER, UM, BASED ON HOW FAR OUT WE'RE LOOKING. SO THE, UM, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF HISTORIC DATA, SOME OF IT VERY, VERY CURRENT, AND IT SUPPORTS THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT IS PROJECTED OUT FOR, UM, QUITE A, QUITE A DISTANCE INTO THE FUTURE. AND IT ALSO HAS, UM, THE CONTINGENCIES TO PROTECT THE BUDGET TO GET US TO A 95% CERTAINTY THAT WE'RE GONNA FINISH UNDERNEATH THAT BUDGET. SO, A, WE'RE USING CURRENT DATA IN A VERY DETAILED FORMAT. WE'RE NOT SQUARE FOOT COSTING THESE MODELS. AND NUMBER TWO, WE'RE PROJECTING OUT INTO THE FUTURE. AND NUMBER THREE, UM, WE HAVE SOME CONTINGENCIES FOR UNFORESEEABLE EVENTS DURING CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS PERHAPS SOME PRE-CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS. IS THAT HELPFUL? SOMEWHAT. BUT I HAVE TO LOOK AT SQUARE FOOT AND DO THE NUMBERS ON THE, THE LOOK. AND I KNOW YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT SQUARE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. AND TO GET A, TO GET A NUMBER UP, LIKE I SAY, MY, MY LIST IS 12 DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON. THIS SEEMS TO BE A TRENDY THING TO DO RIGHT NOW. EVERYBODY'S NEEDING THE POLICE STATION AT THE SAME TIME, IT LOOKS LIKE. AND I'M, I THINK I'M COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES AND I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING THAT'S ANYWHERE CLOSE TO $1,200 A SQUARE FOOT. AND A LOT OF THESE ARE WITH JAILS. OURS IS NOT EVEN WITH A JAIL AND A JAIL WITH MY RESEARCH IS FAR MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD THAN A REGULAR BUILDING IS. SO I'M NOT COMING UP, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH $1,200 A SQUARE FOOT. SO I WOULD, IF YOU COULD SEND THOSE 12 TO US, WE WILL GO EACH ONE AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND GIVE YOU A DETAILED ANALYSIS. SURE. WE WOULD LOVE THAT IF YOU WOULD SEND THAT TO US. YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE. THAT'D BE GREAT. THE ARCHITECT, UM, IS VERY EXPERIENCED IN THESE TYPES OF BUILDINGS AS WELL. THEY DID, UM, A TREND GRAPH THAT SHOWS US RUNNING AROUND, UH, 900 BUCKS A FOOT, CURRENTLY, NOT THE PROJECTED COST, BUT RIGHT NOW TODAY $900 A FOOT. UM, THAT GRAPH IS, UH, SUPPORTED BY OUR COST ESTIMATING. AND IF WE DO SOME SIMPLE MATH AND SAY THAT WE ARE, UM, THE WORST ESCALATION WE'VE EVER SEEN, UM, WAS IN 2022. IT WAS 21.8% IN ONE YEAR. IN ONE YEAR. THE AVERAGE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS IN NORTH TEXAS IS 6% PER YEAR. SO IF YOU TAKE THE 900, LET'S JUST SAY, UM, OUR ESTIMATORS ARE, UM, [02:30:02] BEING SUPPORTED BY THE DESIGN TEAM ON THE HARD COST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, AND YOU JUST USE THE MATH TO PROJECT IT OUT TO WHEN WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY AWARD THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS GONNA BE IN JULY OF, UM, 2027. AND WE'RE USING NUMBERS FROM FOURTH QUARTER. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY PUBLICS. CHRIS, I THINK WE HAVE SOME GOOD INFORMATION TO FOLLOW UP ON. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, CHRIS, SPEAKING OF FINANCIALS, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER UP, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE BOND EDUCATION PROCESS AND IMPLICATIONS ON TAX RATES, UH, IF A BOND ELECTION IS CALLED. SO, WHILE IT'S FRESH ON OUR MIND, CAN I ASK THE CHIEF A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS? OF COURSE, YES. I APOLOGIZE. YES, THANK YOU CHIEF HA. HAS YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT GONE UP IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS? HAS IT GONE UP FROM THE, FROM WHEN, UH, SAY I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SAY MAY OF 24, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WERE YOU REQUESTING IN MAY OF 24? I WAS NOT HERE IN MAY OF 24. SIR. WHEN, WHEN, WHEN? THIS FIRST, WHEN, OKAY. FAIR POINT TO BE MADE. BUT WE HAVE NUMBERS FOR A NEW POLICE STATION IN MAY OF 24 AND IT WAS AT $35 MILLION. THEY WERE GONNA, AND WE WERE PROJECT, WE WERE PROPOSING TO DO IT WITH COS RATHER THAN A BOND. SO WHEN I'M RUNNING FOR ELECTION IN 2025, WE'RE WORKING OFF OF THOSE NUMBERS. AND MY BIGGEST OBJECTION TO THE PROJECT WHEN I WAS RUNNING IS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE WITH COS RATHER THAN LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON BONDS. THAT WAS MY SIMPLE, UH, OBJECTION TO THE PROJECT. AT THAT TIME, IN MAY OF 24, WE WERE LOOKING AT $35 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT AFTER MY ELECTION AND BEFORE I WAS SWORN IN AND I WAS IN A MEETING AT THE OLD BUILDING, YOU PRESENTED A PLAN FOR $70 MILLION AND NOW WE'RE AT $55 MILLION. THIS SEEMS TO BE BOUNCING EVERYWHERE. WHERE ARE WE GONNA LAND ON THIS? WELL, WE'VE LANDED, UH, THE, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE, GO TO SLIDE 19 MM-HMM . SEE A TIMELINE. OKAY. RIGHT. WE DID A NUMBER OF NEEDS ASSESSMENTS, THEN WE BOUGHT GFF IN TO GET TO THIS FINAL NUMBER. I GOT YOU. SO YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ITERATIONS TO THAT POINT. MILESTONES, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. OKAY, PERFECT. THE, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY 50 YARD INDOOR GUN RANGES THERE ARE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS? UH, NO. OF ONE FOR SURE THAT I'VE TOURED MYSELF. I'M NOT SURE OF HOW MANY OUTSIDE OF THAT. I THINK THERE'S ONE, MAYBE TWO IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, COST OF OPERATING EPA REGULATIONS. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT BUILDING 50 YARD INDOOR RANGES. ALL THE 50 YARD RANGES ARE NICE AND THEY'RE OUTDOORS. THERE'S MY ISSUE WITH THAT, UH, TALKING ABOUT YOUR THREE STORY BUILDING THAT HAS MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN YOU'RE ASKING, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO ALL YOUR PEOPLE ON ONE FLOOR OR TWO FLOORS. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND I RESPECT AND APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THAT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED WHEN WE'RE FINISHING THIS BUILDING OUT. AND THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR DESIGN INPUT ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANT YOUR COMMAND STAFF AND, AND YOUR OFFICERS TO DESIGNATE THE BUILDING. AND THE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE THIRD FLOOR COULD GO TO DARREN'S, UH, EXAMPLE OF EX FUTURE EXPANSION. SO THAT LOOKS LIKE A, A, A VERY VIABLE OPTION FOR ME AND JUST DESIGN IT. WELL, 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT DOLLAR FIGURES. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING SPECIFIC. SO I WANNA, MYSELF, I WANNA CONCENTRATE ON, ON THE ACTUAL NUMBER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO APPROVE. I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT THAT YOUR POLICE STATION IS TIRED. IT IS TIRED, TIRED, TIRED. AND WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. I JUST WANT THE BEST THING FOR, FOR OUR TAXPAYERS ON THIS DEAL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. AARON. SO MY, MY, UH, BIGGEST CONCERN OUT OF THIS IS I WANT IT, WHATEVER WE DO, I WANT IT TO LAST OR WE DON'T HAVE TO REDO IT IN 20 YEARS, WE CAN EXPAND, THAT'S FINE. JUST WANNA HAVE THAT INSIGHT. BUT HAVING TO DO ANOTHER FORKLIFT LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW, UH, WE CAN AVOID IT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA, AS WE GO FORWARD. THIS ISN'T THE, THE MEANING TO GO INTO THE DETAIL, BUT THAT'S, I WANNA SET THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU. PASSION. DO YOU WANNA, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. NO, NO. I APOLOGIZE. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL HAVE STEVEN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE BOND EDUCATION AND, UH, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF A BOND ELECTION. STEVEN, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. UM, SO THE FIRST SLIDE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS JUST A TAX RATE PROJECTION, UM, SIMILAR [02:35:01] TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOND COUNCIL, BUT THIS IS UPDATED BASED ON, UH, THEIR $55 MILLION RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO THERE ARE SOME ASSUMPTIONS IN HERE. UH, 3% GROWTH IN PROPERTY VALUES. UH, 5% INTEREST RATES, WHICH ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE. UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD A BOND SALE TODAY. UH, IF WE WENT AND SOLD 20 YEAR BONDS, UH, TODAY WE'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT ABOUT, UH, 3.75%. SO THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER. AGAIN, UH, SIMILAR TO, TO THE PRICE ESCALATION DISCUSSION. UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT INTEREST RATES WILL LOOK LIKE IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, OR THREE YEARS WHEN, WHEN WE ACTUALLY GO TO MARKET TO SELL THOSE BONDS. UM, AND THEN, UH, WITHIN THIS MODEL, THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE, ON A POLICE BOND WOULD BE FULLY IN EFFECT IN 2029. SO JUST WHEN VOTERS, YOU KNOW, IF VOTERS VOTED IN MAY, THEY SAID, YES, WE WANT TO DO THIS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT 55 MILLION IMMEDIATELY GOES ON OUR BOOKS. WE SELL THE BONDS WHEN THEY'RE NEEDED, WHEN THE PROJECT IS COMING TO FRUITION. UH, AND THAT, UH, IMPACT OF THE TAX RATE IS, IS RECOGNIZED, UH, OVER TIME. SO ALSO ON THIS, UH, TAX RATE PROJECTION, JUST NOTE THAT THE OPERATING TAX RATE, WHICH IS THAT ORANGE LINE, UH, THAT'S GOING ACROSS, THAT'S SHOWING OUR CURRENT OPERATING TAX RATE, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS MODEL. UH, HOWEVER, WE DO BELIEVE THAT OVER THAT TIME PERIOD, THAT THAT RATE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME DOWN. UM, SO REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE INTEREST IN SINKING SIDE, UH, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD USE TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON A POTENTIAL BOND. UM, SO CURRENTLY OUR CURRENT, UH, INTEREST IN SINKING TAX RATE IS ABOUT 17 AND A HALF CENTS. UH, WE, AS I MENTIONED, THIS, UH, DEBT SERVICE FOR A POTENTIAL BOND WOULD GO UP, UH, TO THE MAX, UH, IN 2029, WHICH WOULD BE JUST OVER 24 CENTS. UH, OVERALL, A $55 MILLION, UH, BOND PROGRAM WOULD HAVE ABOUT A 6.20 CENTS IMPACT ON THE OVERALL CURRENT TAX RATE. UH, THIS SHOWS 2029 A TAX RATE OF 67.32 CENTS. HOWEVER, AS I NOTED, UH, THE VERY CONSERVATIVE INTEREST RATES INCLUDED IN HERE. UH, WE ACTUALLY, UH, LATER IN YOUR, UH, AGENDA, WE HAVE A, A BOND REFUNDING THAT'S GONNA SAVE, SAVE SOME, UH, PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS AND, UH, REDUCE THE TAX RATE A LITTLE BIT POTENTIALLY. UM, SO, SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS A MOVING TARGET. UH, AS WE, UH, STATED AS WELL, THE OPERATING TAX RATE IS SHOWN AS FLAT THROUGHOUT THAT PERIOD. SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE JUST LIKE OUR CURRENT BOND PROGRAM, UH, THAT THE OVERALL TAX RATE WOULD BE LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING, UH, IN THIS MODEL, UH, AS FAR AS BOND EDUCATION. SO ONCE A BOND ELECTION IS CALLED, UH, THE TOWN CAN ONLY PROVIDE FACTUAL INFORMATION, UH, USING TOWN RESOURCES. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR BOND ATTORNEY HERE FOR OUR, UM, UH, ITEM LATER THIS EVENING. SO JULIE PARTINA HERE, IF I SAY ANYTHING THAT'S INCORRECT, I'M SURE SHE'LL COME UP AND CORRECT ME AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IF WE WERE TO SHOW A VIDEO AS PART OF OUR BOND EDUCATION INFORMATION, UH, WE COULDN'T JUST SHOW THE THINGS THAT, THAT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE PEOPLE SHOULD, SHOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT. UH, WE WOULD NEED TO SHOW A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING, THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD, THE THINGS THAT ARE BAD, THE ENTIRE BUILDING. UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T MAKE STATEMENTS THAT SAY, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THE CURRENT FACILITY. UM, WE COULD MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THE CURRENT POLICE STATION IS 29,000 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPOSED POLICE STATION IS 45,000 SQUARE FEET AS RECOMMENDED BY FACILITY STUDIES PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED BY THE TOWN. SO, UM, SO ONCE THAT BOND ELECTION IS CALLED YOU REALLY, THE TOWN CAN REALLY ONLY STICK TO PROVIDING FACTUAL INFORMATION, UM, AND JUST PROVIDING INFORMATION, UH, TO POTENTIAL VOTERS. UM, SO THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO THE BOND COMMITTEE AFTER IT'S DISBANDED. ONCE, UH, THEY'VE MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, IT ONLY APPLIES AFTER THAT BOND ELECTION IS CALLED TO THE TOWN AND UTILIZING TOWN RESOURCES. UM, SO THERE ARE ARE A COUPLE OF, UM, SAMPLE, UH, GUIDES, UH, FOR OUR PRIOR BOND ELECTIONS IN 2019, UH, IN 2012, UH, IN THIS, UH, PRESENTATION AS WELL, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. UH, AND THEN BOND PROPOSITION LANGUAGE. UM, SO THE BALLOT LANGUAGE WOULD BE, UH, BASICALLY THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A SAMPLE BALLOT LANGUAGE. THE ISSUANCE OF, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING 55 MILLION OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR THE DESIGN CONSTRUCTION ACQUISITION IMPROVEMENT AND EQUIPMENT OF POLICE FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE ACQUISITION OF LAND. UH, SO THAT REALLY ENCOMPASSES ALL ASPECTS. IF, IF, UH, IT CAME CON YOU KNOW, ACQUIRING LAND, BUILDING A NEW FACILITY ON THAT LAND, ACQUIRING EXISTING PROPERTY AND RENOVATING THAT PROPERTY. UH, SO THIS LANGUAGE REALLY ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING THAT WOULD, UH, FALL UNDER ANY OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU WERE PRESENTED THIS EVENING. SO THOSE ARE THE SLIDES THAT I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? UH, IF NOT, I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER TO PASHA. I WOULD, [02:40:01] I'M SORRY, I HAD TROUBLE FOLLOW ALL THOSE NUMBERS AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE DID, BUT CAN YOU JUST TELL ME, I'M GONNA ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION, I HOPE IT'S A SIMPLE ANSWER. IF SOMEONE OWNS A HOME AND THE HOME IS A $500,000 HOME AND THEY'RE PAYING WHATEVER TAX WE'RE PAYING TODAY, HOW MANY MORE DOLLARS DO THEY HAVE TO PAY IN TAXES ON THAT HOUSE? IF WE BORROW $55 MILLION? YEAH, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY, UH, $310. $310 PER YEAR FOR 20 YEARS. CORRECT. AND YOU DO PAY IT THE WHOLE 20 YEARS, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER, OTHER THINGS PAY OFF OR GO ON. THAT 55 MILLION WILL EQUATE TO THAT. CORRECT? 300. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHRIS. I'M GOOD. MY OKAY. JUST, UH, MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE HOW FAR WE CAN TAKE THIS DEBT OUT, BUT I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED IT 20 YEARS, RIGHT? UH, WELL, STATUTORILY, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, IT'S 40 YEARS. UM, WE GENERALLY ISSUE 20 YEAR DEBT. UM, SO I MEAN, THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU COULD DO IS 40 YEARS THOUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. RANDY, WHAT IS, WHAT IS OUR TOTAL DEBT ON THE BOOKS TODAY? UH, OVERALL, I BELIEVE AFTER, UH, AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR WILL BE, UM, AROUND 165 MILLION. THAT'S INCLUDING EVERYTHING, UTILITY, AIRPORT, STORM, WATER, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SO 165 MILLION BY THEN. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE 55 MILLION? THAT DOES NOT. THAT DOES NOT. SO 1 65 AND 55 PUTS US OVER $200 MILLION IN DEBT, UH, BY THE TIME THAT WE ISSUED THIS, 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING OFF DEBT EVERY YEAR. UH, IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE? ROUGH, ROUGH GUESS. UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY GET CLOSE TO 200 MILLION. UM, I COULD MODEL THAT OUT, BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE VERY CLOSE. OKAY. I, I JUST WENT BACK AND LOOKED THROUGH NUMBERS FOR 20 YEARS AND THE NUMBER THAT I HAVE FOR 2006, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE MY CURRENT DEBT NUMBER WAS SMALLER THAN WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. SO THERE, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE INVOLVED. IT, IT MAY JUST BE GENERAL OBLIGATION SUPPORTED BY PROPERTY TAX. I I HAD IT AT ABOUT 135 MILLION YEAH. FOR OUR DEBT. SO THAT'S GENERAL OBLIGATION? CORRECT. OKAY. AND LET'S JUST STICK WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, IN 2006, IT LOOKED LIKE WE HAD ABOUT 35 TO $39 MILLION IN DEBT IN 2006. SO IN 20 YEARS WE'VE ACCUMULATED A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT AND GOING FORWARD WITH THE, AND THEN ADD THE 55 MILLION TO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE IN 27. SO IN 21 YEARS WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU ACCUMULATED ABOUT $150 MILLION IN DEBT. THAT CONCERNS ME IMMENSELY. AND THAT I'M, I'M JUST A BOTTOM LINE NUMBERS GUY AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY THIS, HOW, HOW OUR TAXPAYERS ARE GONNA PAY THIS, PAY FOR THIS WHEN OUR TAXES ARE ALREADY AT THE TOP OF THE CHART. WE'RE BUSTING IT AT THE SEAMS WE'RE, WE'RE AT. WE'VE GOT TO START BEING MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND A HUNDRED AND WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, $150 MILLION IN DEBT IN 20 YEARS IS ENORMOUS TO ME. THANK YOU. AND I'M NOT PUTTING THAT ON YOU, YOU JUST DO THE MATH. SO I GET IT. . SO OVER THE YEARS I'VE SEEN THAT YOU'RE, THAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE COMING COMFORTABLY LESS SO GOOD JOB AT BEING CONSERVATIVE ON THAT. UH, WHAT DOES 1%, UH, INTEREST DIFFERENCE DO ON THAT 5% ON, ON SLIDE 53? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO, AND WE HAVE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL FOR OUR CONCEPT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT ON 55 MILLION. UM, IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. I MEAN, WE WOULD BE PROBABLY BE TALKING, UM, AT LEAST $5 MILLION, UH, IN, IN DEBT SERVICE OVER 20 YEARS. AND THEN, UH, BACK FROM THE 2019 BOND ELECTION WHERE WE APPROVED A WHOLE LOT OF BONDS FOR A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, UH, THE PROJECTION FOR TODAY WAS SOME AMOUNT. AND, UH, WHAT DO YOU HAVE THAT AMOUNT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE? YEAH, IT WAS PROJECTED IN 2019 THAT, SO WHEN VOTERS WENT AND VOTED, THEY, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THAT 2019, UH, BOND ELECTION INFORMATION GUIDE THAT'S LINKED HERE, UH, SAID THAT PROPERTY TAXES WOULD INCREASE 10.30 CENTS. SO THAT WOULD BE ABOVE WHAT IT IS NOW. ABSOLUTELY, YES. UH, WE ARE RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'RE, AND I'LL GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE AND IT DOESN'T SHOW THE PAST, BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY ON THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE, 17.50 CENTS MM-HMM . UH, WHEN VOTERS VOTED, I BELIEVE WE WERE AT JUST UNDER 15 CENTS. SO WE'VE ONLY GONE UP RIGHT NOW [02:45:01] ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 3 CENTS, UH, COMPARED TO, UH, 10 CENTS IS WHAT WAS PROJECTED. NOW WE DO HAVE STUFF STILL COMING ON, BUT, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE PROJECTED WHEN THAT'S ALL ON BOARD AT LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT VOTERS WERE TOLD BACK IN 2019. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, I'VE BEEN SEEING. BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PANDEMIC THAT DROVE, KEPT RATES LOW FOR LONGER THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE THAT EFFECT. UM, SO WE'RE AAA WE'RE THE HIGHEST RATED, UM, BY THE LENDING AGENCIES GRADING STANDARD REPORT AND ALL THOSE. SO, UM, TO THE POINT OF, UH, BEING CONCERNED WITH HOW MUCH OUR DEBT IS VERSUS OUR VALUE AND HOW WE, HOW WE MANAGE AND FORECAST THINGS, WHEN IS TOO MUCH. YEAH. UM, AND, AND THEY EVALUATE THAT. SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE EVALUATING THE DEBT, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST THE BONDS THAT WE'RE ISSUING. THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PENSION OBLIGATIONS, YOUR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CALLED OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS. UH, ALL OF THOSE OBLIGATIONS THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO PAY. UM, AS FAR AS OVERALL DEBT LOAD, UH, I BELIEVE OUR LAST RATING REPORT SAID, UM, THAT WE'RE SLIGHTLY ELEVATED, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT A CONCERN. UM, NOW OUR PENSION OBLIGATIONS ARE VERY LOW. UM, OUR, UH, OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE VERY LOW COMPARED TO, UH, A LOT OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES. UM, SO OVERALL, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS TOO MUCH? UM, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE, I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE WOULD, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PUT A STRAIN ON, SAY THE AAA RATING, UH, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, IT WOULD TAKE SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY SUBSTANTIAL AND, AND YOUR TAXING AUTHORITY AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS REPAYING THESE, THESE BONDS, UH, IS VERY HIGH AND THE TOWN IS, IS NOT CLOSE TO WHAT THAT AUTHORITY IS. OKAY. THAT'S, UH, THAT, THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF GOOD CONTEXT AS FAR AS WHAT I THINK IS EXPENSIVE FOR THE DEBT THAT I WOULD CARRY PERSONALLY, UM, VERSUS WHAT THE TOWN DOES, THE CREDIT RATINGS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA WATCH EVERYTHING FOR US. UH, NOT WATCH, BUT THERE'LL BE A, A GOOD GAUGE, UH, ON THAT. BUT THANKS. GOOD INFORMATION. YES, HAR YEAH. ONE, ONE QUICK QUESTION, STEVEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEBT, THE OTHER THING I THINK ABOUT AS IN OUR INVESTMENTS, CAN YOU MIND US WHAT OUR INVESTMENT TOTAL IS? UH, AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY INVESTED? CORRECT. UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE AROUND A HUNDRED AND, UH, DEPENDING ON, WE WE'RE RIGHT WHEN WE'RE COLLECTING PROPERTY TAXES, SO WE'RE SOMEWHERE PROBABLY AROUND 120, 130 MILLION. UM, THAT'LL SHOOT UP IN JANUARY AS WE START COLLECTING ALL OF THE PROPERTY TAXES. UH, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT ABOUT NOW. UH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT IS? I WAS LIKE, I WAS THINKING 1 65. IS THAT POSSIBLE OR IS, AM I JUST THINKING, AM I A LITTLE HIGH WITH THAT AMOUNT? UH, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY HIGH RIGHT NOW. NOW WE ARE GETTING, UH, PROCEEDS FROM OUR STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK LOAN, UH, AND WE'RE GETTING ALL THE PROPERTY TAXES. IT WILL HIT 1 65, UH, PROBABLY MID-FEBRUARY. OKAY. UM, SO WE WILL HAVE PROBABLY HAVE THAT MUCH INVESTED AT THAT TIME. PERFECT. PERFECT. THANK YOU CHRIS. STEVEN, UH, SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF DEBT, WE THREW OUT THERE 165 MILLION OF TOTAL DEBT, BUT HOW MUCH OF THAT IS SELF-FUNDING IF WE REALLY GET DOWN TO REMOVING UTILITY FUNDS, STORM WATER AIRPORT AIRPORTS DOING GREAT AND SELF-SUSTAINING, HOW MUCH DEBT REALLY IS OUT THERE? YEAH, IT'S, UM, APPROXIMATELY, I THINK IT WAS THE 135 MILLION, UH, THAT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT, GOING FORWARD. SO IN CLOSING, WE WANTED TO SHARE A TENTATIVE BOND ELECTION TIMELINE THAT SHOWS OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT. AND THEN IF COUNSEL ELECTED TO CALL A MAY TWENTY, TWENTY, TWENTY SIX ELECTION, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CALLED BY FEBRUARY THE 13TH WITH EARLY VOTING, BEGINNING IN APRIL, AND ELECTION DAY BEING MAY 2ND. THIS IS THE TIMELINE I ASSURED EARLIER. WE ARE SCHEDULED TO RETURN ON JANUARY THE 27TH, RESPOND TO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BACK ON FEBRUARY THE THIRD IF COUNSEL ELECTS FOR SUC. SO, AND THEN ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY THE 10TH, IF COUNSEL WISHES TO CALL A MAY BOND ELECTION, AN ORDINANCE COULD BE PRESENTED AT THAT TIME. SO WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE REMAINING, AND IF NOT, THAT IS THE END OF OUR ITEM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY? SO, PASSION OR DAVID, UH, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US THIS EVENING? I, WE HAVE A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL BRING THOSE QUESTIONS BACK AND GIVE YOU ALL SOME TIME TO THINK TOO AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO BRING ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE EITHER IN ADVANCE OR AT THE MEETING ON THE 27TH AND WE'LL [02:50:01] KEEP MOVING FORWARD. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. PASSION CHIEF. STEVEN, EVERYBODY. I THINK EVERYBODY CAME UP THAT TIME. ALRIGHT, [d. Present and discuss allowing Addison residents to vote on whether the Town should remain in or withdraw from DART.] VERY GOOD. MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR D UH, PRESENT AND DISCUSS ALLOWING ADDISON RESIDENTS TO VOTE ON WHETHER THE TOWN SHOULD REMAIN IN OR WITHDRAW FROM DART. OH, YOU KNOW, WE DID BEGIN A PRACTICE AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ASKED FOR AN ITEM, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A FEW WORDS BEFORE THE PRESENTATION STARTS. DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO EITHER HOWARD OR DARREN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. SURE I WOULD. UM, SO THE REASON I, UH, PLACE THIS BACK ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA IS REALLY AS A CON CONTINUATION OF THE, UH, DECEMBER 2ND MEETING. THE, THE MEETING WAS CALLED AS A SPECIAL MEETING BY THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS, NOT MYSELF, UH, WITH THE INTENT TO TAKE A VOTE THAT SAME NIGHT. UH, I THOUGHT, WELL, THE MEETING WAS ANNOUNCED ON TUESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, AND THE MEETING WAS A, A TUESDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING. SO, UH, IT WAS REALLY BAD TIMING. UH, I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, TRANSPARENCY DUE PROCESS, PERCEPTION OF BEING RUSHED, SECRETIVE, SHIFTY, AND UNDER THE RADAR BECAUSE IT JUST POPPED UP. I HAD RESIDENTS CALL ME AND SAY, HEY, WHERE'D THIS COME FROM? I'M INFORMED, HOW COME I DIDN'T SEE IT? SO, UM, WITH THAT, IN, IN, UH, UNDERSTANDING, I, UH, MADE A MOTION TO DELAY THAT TO, UH, THIS MEETING AND THE MOTION DIDN'T CARRY. SO I BELIEVE THERE'S THREE IMPORTANT THINGS WE SHOULD COVER TONIGHT. UM, I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE SHOULD, IF WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER TALKING ABOUT THIS ELECTION, WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS WE WANT. UM, 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, DART, WE'RE NOT HAPPY. WHAT, WHAT WOULD MAKE US HAPPY? AND THEN, UH, WITH THIS RAIL BUS, UH, MICRO TRANSIT, PARATRANSIT, ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS AND COMMUNICATE THOSE, UH, PRIORITIES CLEARLY. AND SECOND, I, I THINK THE FULL COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE GREATER VISIBILITY. I'D LIKE TO SET UP MECHANISMS, TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE CONVERSATIONS WITH DART AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS THAT WE HAVE INPUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MAYBE IN THE WEEKLY, UM, UH, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT A STANDING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, A COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE, SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THEN, UH, THIRDLY, UH, I I BELIEVE WE SHOULD SCHEDULE, UH, THE VOTE FOR THE MAY ELECTION, UH, AS COUNCIL. AND WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT. I SAID NOT I SHOULD I SAY WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT. WE SHOULD SCHEDULE THAT ON THE NEXT MEETING, IN THIS MEETING, DECIDE WHETHER TO PUT THAT ON THE, UH, THE ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING. SO THAT GIVES, UM, THIS WEEK'S NOTICE, UH, OF THIS MEETING, THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT, WHICH HOPEFULLY WOULD BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS COMING OUT AND, AND PUT PEOPLE TO GIVE THEIR OPINION, UH, AND THEIR THOUGHTS. AND, UM, THEN TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING. SO THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT US TO THIS MEETING, IS THE CONTINUATION FROM THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING WHERE, UM, I SPECIFICALLY, UH, DID NOT VOTE FOR THE ELECTION BECAUSE IT WAS A, A WEEK'S NOTICE. AND IT WAS, THERE WAS NO DUE PROCESS. THERE WAS NO TRANSPARENCY. AND SO I, I COULDN'T VOTE FOR THAT ELECTION AT THIS TIME. SO THAT'S WHY. OKAY. ASHLEY, OR DID, UH, WELL, HOWARD, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING SINCE, SINCE THAT, SINCE DARREN AND I BROUGHT THIS, I, I WASN'T PLANNING TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, BUT I WILL NOW BECAUSE THE, THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING WAS BROUGHT BY RANDY, DAN AND I, AND THE REASON THAT WE DID THAT WAS NOT TO RUSH SOMETHING, NOT TO HIDE ANYTHING, NOT TO BE NOT DUE PROCESS. I, WE FOLLOWED OUR, OUR RULES, OUR CHARTER RULES, AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN CALL FOR SPECIAL MEETING. WE WERE WATCHING PLANO, IRVING, FARMER'S BRANCH, HIGHLAND PARK, HAVING THESE, THESE LONG MEETINGS WITH, WITH ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT AND ALL THE DEBATE OVER THE ISSUE. AND WE HAD SCHEDULED A WORK SESSION AND THEN, UH, TO FOLLOW UP WITH A MEETING TO HAVE THE VOTE. AND WE THOUGHT, RATHER THAN HAVE IT ON A NIGHT LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW WITH OTHER ITEMS, SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE JUST DIFFERENT THINGS TO DISCUSS, IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE ONE MEETING JUST DEVOTE TO THIS ISSUE. LET EVERYBODY COME SPEAK, LET US DISCUSS IT, AND LET US TAKE A VOTE. AND, UM, IT, EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW THE VOTE WENT, FOUR TO THREE. SO WE HAD A SPLIT DECISION. AND, UM, I FELT LIKE I DIDN'T COMMUNICATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE CAUSING ME TO WANT A MAY ELECTION. I THINK THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF REASONS FOR MAY ELECTION OVER A NOVEMBER ELECTION. SO THAT'S WHY I JOINED DAN IN CALLING THIS MEETING BECAUSE I FELT LIKE WE DIDN'T REALLY [02:55:01] EXPRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES OF THE IMPORTANCE OF A MAY ELECTION. SO TONIGHT, I HOPE WE DO THAT AND WE'LL SEE HOW EVERYBODY FEELS ABOUT IT. I LEFT OFF SOMETHING ON MY INTRO TO THIS. SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, AND THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, THE MAY ELECTION WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP HERE WOULD REALLY JUST AFFIRM DART BY THE VOTERS. IT'S A POPULAR VOTE. UM, SO ALONG THE WAY, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL FOR BOTH COUNCIL AND RESIDENTS TO HAVE THIS CLEAR INFORMATION THAT'S COMPLETE AND UNBIASED FROM ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER NECESSARILY, UM, ABOUT WHAT WE RECEIVE FROM BART DART, HOW IT'S FUNDED AND WHAT ALTERNATIVES, UH, TRULY LOOK LIKE, RATHER THAN INFORMATION SHAPED BY ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS, UH, ALONG THIS CONVERSATION, UH, WHETHER WE DECIDE TO HAVE A VOTE IN MAY OR NOT. I, I, I'D LIKE THIS CONVERSATION FOR, FOR DART AND OUR TRANSPORTATION VENDORS TO, TO BE MORE ON THE RADAR. SO, UM, THE VOTE IS, VOTING IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I'VE HAD A LOT OF VOTERS, UM, UH, REQUEST THAT I WANNA VOTE. I WANNA VOTE, I WANNA VOTE FOR IT, BUT I WANNA VOTE. AND FOR YOU TO BLOCK MY BLOCK, MY VOTE REPRESENTATIVE VOTE, UM, IS IS A BIG DEAL. AND WE'VE HEARD FROM DOZENS AND DOZENS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. UM, SO THAT'S, I'LL STOP THERE. THANK YOU FIRST. OKAY. WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE DISCUSSION AFTER THE PRESENTATION. IS THAT OKAY? WELL, MY NAME WAS CALLED SO I WOULD IT WAS, YEAH, WHEN HE, YES, AS ONE OF THE THREE THAT CALLED THE MEETING. THAT'S FINE. I, I ONLY WANNA SAY THE REASON I WANTED THE DECEMBER 2ND. I WAS NOT TRYING TO BE NON-TRANSPARENT, WASN'T TRYING TO BE ANYTHING DECEMBER THE SECOND, HAD WE VOTED, WOULD'VE GIVEN US A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME TO NEGOTIATE WITH DART AND ALL THE OTHER CITIES, AND WOULD'VE GIVEN US TIME WITH THE 45 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION TO DO PROPER NEGOTIATIONS AND STILL PULL OUT. IT WASN'T A VOTE TO PULL OUT A DART. IT WAS A, IT WAS A DECISION TO TRY TO LET THE PEOPLE VOTE. AND I JUST WANTED THE LONGEST AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE COULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH DART. ASHLEY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ASHLEY SCHROER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, ADDISON HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF DART, EXCUSE ME, SINCE 1983, AND WE CONTRIBUTE 1 CENT OF OUR SALES TAX TO DART FROM 1984 TO 2005. ADDISON'S CONTRIBUTED OVER $400 MILLION. AND LAST YEAR FOR FY 25, ADDISON CONTRIBUTED OVER $17 MILLION TO DART. UM, AS OF TODAY, FIVE CITIES HAVE CALLED ELECTIONS IN MAY THAT PLANO, HIGHLAND PARK, UNIVERSITY PARK, FARMERS BRANCH, AND IRVING. IF THOSE ELECTIONS ARE SUCCESSFUL, THE REMAINING COST THAT, UM, COULD COME TO THE TOWN OF ADDISON ALONG WITH SERVICE REDUCTIONS AND DEBT OBLIGATIONS, UM, COULD BE RECALCULATED ON DECEMBER 2ND, AS WAS MENTIONED, COUNSEL DISCUSSED THIS ITEM AND COUNSEL VOTED AGAINST CALLING THE ELECTION. UM, DART IS OUR TRANSPORTATION PROVIDER. WE HAVE THE A, THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, WHICH IS SERVED BY 12 BUS ROUTES. WE HAVE OUR NEWLY OPEN COMMUTER RAIL OF THE SILVER LINE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE COTTON BELT TRAIL, WHICH WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL BE DONE IN MID 2027. WE HAVE BEEN HAVING ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH DART. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS THE GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM. THAT PROGRAM WOULD REALLOCATE ALMOST $3 MILLION TO ADDISON FOR ONE YEAR. THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT DID HAVE, UM, OR CURRENTLY HAS SOME CAVEATS IN THERE THAT IF FUTURE LEG LEGISLATION PASSES THAT WOULD REDUCE OUR PORTION IN DART, WE WOULD HAVE TO REPAY THAT GMP. WE HAVE SPOKE TO DART AS OF DECEMBER 30TH. THEY UNDERSTOOD OUR CONCERNS AND SAID THEY WOULD REVISE THAT ILA TO TAKE THAT LANGUAGE OUT. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH DART TO GET ADDISON A GOLINK ZONE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN APRIL OF 2026 THAT WILL COVER ALL OF ADDISON AND WILL BE AT NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE TOWN DARK DID INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR FY 26 BUDGET. THERE'S ALSO THE OPTION FOR A CIRCULATOR. IT'S A FIXED ROUTE SHUTTLE THAT WILL SERVE THE QUORUM CORRIDOR FROM KELLER SPRINGS AND BELTLINE. AND IN VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, THAT IS PROPOSED BEING FUNDED AT 50% WITH THE TOWN AND 50% WITH DART, UH, WITH A TOTAL COST OF ABOUT 1.7 MILLION. AT THIS POINT, THE TOWN HAS NOT MADE A DECISION IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OR NOT, BUT IT IS A POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. UH, DART HAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, GOVERNANCE CHANGES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR LAST MEETING ON THE SECOND WAS HAVING MORE OF A REPRESENTATION ON [03:00:01] THE DART BOARD AND HAVING OUR OWN SINGLE VOTE. SO MAYORS AND CITY MANAGERS, ALONG WITH DART AND THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION AND THE NORTH TEXAS CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS HAVE MET, UH, PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD BE AS LISTED ON THIS CHART, WHICH IS MORE OF A WEIGHTED VOTE, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW AT LEAST EVERY CITY ONE VOTE. NOW, THESE CHANGES WILL ONE NEED, UH, LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE. AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, NEITHER DART OR DALLAS HAVE APPROVED THIS, UM, THIS PROPOSAL. UH, WE, WE'VE HEARD THAT THEY ARE ON BOARD WITH IT, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO FORMAL APPROVAL OF THIS. UM, ALSO THERE IS TRANSIT 2.0. SO IN APRIL OF 24, UM, OUR NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, ALONG WITH DART TRINITY METRO, THE DA DENTON COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, AND UH, NTC HAVE WORKED TOGETHER ALONG WITH SOME WORKING OR WITH SOME, UH, CITIES TO BASICALLY COME UP WITH WHAT IS A MORE FAIR AND EQUITABLE, UM, POSITION FOR OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND HOW DO WE MAKE IT WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION VERSUS PRIVATE VEHICLES. SO THEY'VE HAD FIVE GROUP MEETINGS. UM, THEY'VE DISCUSSED THINGS AS FAR AS GOVERNANCE, FUNDING, EQUITY, DEFINING REGIONAL SERVICE, AND CONDUCTING A RATE STUDY FOR THE COST OF THESE SERVICES. BUT AT THIS POINT, NO FUNDING HAS BEEN ALLOCATED AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY, UM, SPECIFIC DIRECTION YET ON WHICH WAY TO GO. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT TRANSIT USAGE. IN ADDISON, WE HAVE OUR TRANSIT CENTER. IT'S SERVED BY 12 BUS ROUTES, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ABOUT ESTIMATED 50,000 BOARDINGS MONTHLY. NOW, AGAIN, BOARDINGS ALSO INCLUDE THE BUS TRANSFERS THAT HAPPEN AT OUR TRANSIT CENTER. WE HAVE OUR SILVER LINE, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS FROM DART THIS WEEK THAT HAS THE SILVER LINE BOARDINGS AT ABOUT 7,400 AND ABOUT 16. AND SO THAT IS BASICALLY FROM WHEN IT OPENED, WHICH WAS OCTOBER TO THE END OF DECEMBER. AND THEN WE HAVE PARATRANSIT AT 1600 TRIPS A YEAR. UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT IF DART LEAVES? WHAT IF WE HAVE AN ELECTION, IT'S SUCCESSFUL AND UH, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE OUR OWN TRANSPORTATION. SO PRIOR TO THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING, STAFF STARTED TALKING TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROVIDERS. AND WHEN THIS ITEM CAME BACK, WE REINITIATED THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A FULL LIST OF EVERY PROVIDER THAT IS OUT THERE. THESE ARE A COUPLE, THREE OF THE MAJOR ONES THAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED THAT WE TALKED TO. SO GOING THROUGH, WE SPOKE WITH RIDE CO. THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE BASICALLY, UM, THEY FOCUS ON THE FIRST MILE, LAST MILE MICRO TRANSIT. THEY ARE, UH, ON DEMAND. SO THINK OF IT KIND OF LIKE AN UBER, LYFT. THEY WILL COME GET YOU, TAKE YOU, AND THEN THEY ALL HAVE PARATRANSIT. UM, CIRCUIT IS ANOTHER PROVIDER THAT WE TALK TO. UH, THEY OFFER MORE OF SHARED RIDES VERSUS THE INDIVIDUAL MICRO TRANSIT, UM, ON DEMAND RIDES. AND THEN VIA, VIA WAS MENTIONED IN OUR LAST MEETING, AGAIN, A ON DEMAND TYPE SERVICE. AND ALL OF THESE CAN, THEY CAN BE, UM, MOLDED TO WHAT WE WANT AND WE NEED IN ADDISON. NOW HAVING PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO, HOW WE WANT TO STRUCTURE THIS, WE ARE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY, WE'VE GOTTEN ESTIMATES ANYWHERE FROM 1.5 TO 2.5 MILLION. AND THAT'S BASED ON VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY NUMBERS, VERY PRELIMINARY RIDER DATA. UM, IN A VERY SMALL SCOPE, IT CAN BE INCREASED. WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. BUT WE WANTED, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT ON DECEMBER 2ND WAS, IF WE TAKE THIS ON OURSELVES, WHAT IS IT GONNA COST? SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO AT LEAST START LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS. UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS A BUSINESS SURVEY WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO FOLLOWING THE REQUEST FOR THIS WORK SESSION STAFF PUT TOGETHER A SURVEY THAT WOULD GO OUT TO OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THE SURVEY WAS DISTRIBUTED TO A LIST OF OVER 300 BUSINESSES THAT INCLUDED, UM, [03:05:01] OFFICE, RETAIL, HOSPITALITY, UM, OUR TOP 50 BUSINESSES BY EMPLOYEE COUNT AND SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE ALSO DID SOME ON THE GROUND. WE SENT OUT EMAILS, BUT WE ALSO WENT OUT AND TALKED TO PEOPLE. AND SO WE PROVIDED THE SURVEY TO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AT EVERY MAJOR TENANT BUILDING AND THEN VISIT VISITED TENANTS IN ALL OF OUR MAJOR INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. SO LOOKING AT THE QUESTIONS THEY WERE LISTED WHEN WE, UM, SENT OUT THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE GOT BASICALLY YOUR BUSINESS PROFILE, UH, TRANSIT USAGE METRICS, THE IMPACT, UM, OF DART SERVICE ON YOUR BUSINESS, AND SENT THOSE OUT. TRIED TO KEEP IT TO A SMALL NUMBER OF QUESTIONS SO PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY ANSWER. AND SO AS OF 11 O'CLOCK TODAY, AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE QUESTIONS, I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF 'EM AGAIN WITH YOU, BUT AS OF 11 O'CLOCK TODAY, WE HAD 75 OPENED THE SURVEY. WE HAD 52 FILL IT OUT OF OVER 300 PLUS BUSINESSES. AND, UM, THAT WE SENT THOSE OUT TO. AND THEN HERE IS OUR, OUR RESPONSES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A MIX OF BUSINESSES, UH, THAT IT WENT OUT TO. THE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE OFFICE PROFESSIONALS AND CORPORATE WITH THE, UM, RANGE OF EMPLOYEES BEING MOSTLY BETWEEN 25 AND A HUNDRED. AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, ASKING THE QUESTIONS OF, OF THEIR USAGE OF DART. YOU CAN SEE THE ANSWERS GOING THROUGH HERE. UM, AND SO THAT SURVEY IS STILL OPEN. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT STOPPING JUST BECAUSE COUNCIL, WE HAD COUNCIL TONIGHT. IT HAS CONTINUED TO BE OPEN. WE ARE STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH ON THIS TO TRY TO GET MORE INFORMATION BACK FROM OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. WE CAN CONTINUE TO UPDATE COUNCIL AS WE GET MORE RESPONSES. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR FAQS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, BUT WANTED TO HIT ON AGAIN. UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS THE SILVER LINE INCLUDED IN THE EY COST ALLOCATION STUDY? UH, DART ACTUALLY HIRED EY TO CONDUCT THE COST ALLOCATION STUDY, AND THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED IN 2024 USING FY 23 EXPENSES. SO IT, WE KNOW IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE SILVER LINE EXPENSES. UM, DART HAS SAID THAT THEY WILL DO ONE IN THE FUTURE. THAT WILL BE MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND IT WILL BE UP TO DATE AS FAR AS EXPENSES FOR THE SILVER LINE. UM, IF THE TOWN EXITS START, DO RESIDENTS VOTE ANNUALLY ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT 1%? IF THE VOTE PASSES, DOES IT GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN IN OUR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN MEETINGS. UM, IT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON HOW YOU USE THAT 1 CENT. AND IT COULD BE TO GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. IT COULD BE TO DO FOUR A, FOUR B, IT COULD BE TO, UM, I MEAN THERE, THERE'S A, A LIST OF THINGS, BUT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A VOTE TO SAY WHAT WE DO WITH THOSE THINGS. UM, CAN THE TOWN CALL AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER? YES, WE CAN HAVE THIS VOTE IN MAY OR NOVEMBER. IT JUST HAS TO BE IN 2026, UM, BECAUSE AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER. OTHERWISE WE DON'T HAVE A, A WINDOW FOR ANOTHER SIX YEARS. WOULD THE EXIT OBLIGATION REMAIN THE SAME FOLLOWING A MAY OR NOVEMBER ELECTION? DART HAS CONFIRMED THE OBLIGATION WILL BE CALCULATED IN NOVEMBER IF THERE IS A NOVEMBER ELECTION. AND SO AS WE AGAIN HAVE GONE OVER BEFORE, WE HAVE OUR WITHDRAWAL OBLIGATION, UM, BASED ON THE SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024 NUMBERS, THAT WAS ALMOST 65 MILLION WITH A THREE YEAR PAYBACK. UH, TOWN STAFF HAS DONE SOME MORE UP TO DATE CALCULATIONS THAT HAS THAT AT A 2.88 YEAR PAYBACK. AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY STEVEN IS HERE TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR FINANCE QUESTIONS SO HE CAN BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE CALCULATIONS AND HOW IT'S CALCULATED. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WANT TO GET FROM COUNCIL IS WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS? WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO COMMUNICATE? BACK TO DART, WE GAVE SOME EXAMPLES. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT REDUCING THE CONTRIBUTION TO DART? DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT A MODEL FOR CITIES THAT IT'S MORE OF AN A LA CARTE SERVICE? UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO BE NEGOTIATING WITH DART, BUT KEEP IN MIND MANY [03:10:01] OF THESE CHANGES WE'VE LISTED HERE AND MANY OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED WILL NEED STATE LEGISLATIVE ACTION. AND SO FOR CALLING AN ELECTION, THIS IS OUR OUT YEAR. IT CAN ONLY BE DONE EVERY SIX YEARS. UM, IF WE DO WANNA CALL FOR MAY OF 26, WE MUST DO SO BY FEBRUARY 13TH. ONCE WE PASS THE ORDINANCE, WE WILL SEND THAT OUT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE, THE COMPTROLLER IN DART, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, UP TO 45 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION TO RESCIND THAT. AND AGAIN, IF THE WITHDRAWAL ELECTION IS SUCCESSFUL, ALL DART STOPS THE DAY AFTER. SO I, AGAIN, WE DID A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. WE JUST HAD, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATIONS ON THIS AND SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I'VE GOT STEVEN THAT CAN ANSWER, ANSWER THE NUMBER QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. YEAH. BEFORE WE GO INTO QUESTIONS, UH, LEMME ASK THE COUNSEL, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF PROVIDING US AN, AN UPDATE AND GIVING US THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION. UH, GARY SLAGEL, WHO'S OUR BOARD REPRESENTATIVE, HAS OFFERED TO GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE. UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR THAT NOW OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK ASHLEY QUESTIONS FIRST AND THEN HEAR FROM GARY OR DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? I'D LIKE HEAR FROM GARY. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RIGHT NOW. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM GARY. OKAY. GARY, WOULD YOU, UH, LIKE TO COME FORWARD? THANK YOU, SIR. SO I AM GARY SLAGEL 21 BUNKER HILL RICHARDSON. AND I AM ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND YOUR DARTBOARD REP, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT. UM, AUNT RANDALL BRYANT IS HERE WITH ME AS WELL, OUR NEW CHAIR WHO TOOK OVER IN NOVEMBER, THE END OF OCTOBER. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM, IT'D BE GREAT AS WELL. THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE YOUR MEETING ON DECEMBER 2ND. WE'VE MET WITH, HAD MET WITH THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS, RAN RANDALL AND I DID. WE'VE MET WITH THE MAYOR AND THE MANAGER AND HAD NADINE ALONG WITH US AS WELL TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE ISSUES. UH, THEN LAST FRIDAY AT A MEETING WHERE NADINE, UH, GAVE A, A TALK TO THE NORTH DALLAS CHAMBER, UH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH MR. FREE, COUNCILMAN FREE. I DID, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS , OR AT LEAST AN HOUR AFTER THAT MEETING. SO WE'VE TRIED TO HAVE DIALOGUE AND UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND SO FORTH. LITTLE JUST TO TRY TO BRIEF GIVE YOU A, UH, UPDATE ON I THINK WHERE WE ARE. AS WAS MENTIONED JUST A MOMENT AGO, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAD HAD OUR ATTORNEY LOOK AT THE, UH, GMP AGREEMENT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MAKE THAT FIT WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE FUTURE COUNCILS. YOU DON'T, YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE NOW. AND, UH, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A VOTE, UH, FOR THE BOARD, I THINK WE'LL DO THAT VERY SHORTLY. AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. THE GOVERNANCE, GOVERNANCE ISSUE IS MOVING FORWARD IN THAT WE'RE, THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PUT ON A DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION AGENDA, AND I THINK THERE ARE THE VOTES THERE TO ALLOW THAT CHANGE TO HAPPEN. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS SHOWN HERE, BUT IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THAT VOTE. WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A VOTE ON IT YET BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE A BOARD THAT'S APPOINTED BY ALL OF YOU. I MEAN, IF YOU, IF THE CITY MEMBER CITIES DECIDE THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE'RE STRUCTURED REGARDING GOVERNANCE, AND THAT'S YOUR CALL AND WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE TO, TO SUPPORT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THE HURDLE THERE. WE, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT ALL THE CITIES CARE FOR AND LIKE, UH, WAS MENTIONED THE, UH, UH, VISION COMMITTEE OR, OR TRANSIT 2.0, WHICH WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING. AND ACTUALLY THE COMMITTEE TOOK A VOTE TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE RTC AS A PRELIMINARY REPORT. BUT SEVERAL OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED, UH, LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GAINING SOME GROUND. RANDALL AND I HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW WITH, UH, MICHAEL MORRIS AT THE RT, AT AT RTC, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE STATE FUNDS AND HOW THAT MAY WORK. 'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REDUCE THE BURDEN OF PAYMENT ON THE CITIES AND TRYING TO GET THE STATE GOVERNMENT TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THAT PARTICULARLY TEXT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE AIR QUALITY, UH, ACHIEVEMENT NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE TO ACHIEVE. AND, AND IF THERE CAN BE STATION, UH, SANCTIONS AGAINST THIS REGION, SHOULD WE VOTE OUTTA DART? SO THERE ARE SOME SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT MICHAEL IS WORKING THROUGH WITH US, AND IT LOOKS [03:15:01] LIKE WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CASE TO GET SOME SUPPORT FROM AUSTIN. WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT. THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS, UM, WE WERE ASKED BY THE COMMITTEES, THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED BY THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION AND COG, UH, IT'S A SMALL, UH, SIX CITY MANAGER COMMITTEE PLUS OUR, OUR DART LEADERSHIP, OUR EXECUTIVE FROM DART TO NOT ONLY GO THROUGH THE GOVERNANCE, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE MADE PROGRESS ON THE GOVERNANCE, BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO, UH, FIND, FIND A WAY, UH, TO, TO HELP REDUCE THIS COST. AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE COMMITTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IN THE LAST MEETING OF ALL THE CITIES, MEMBER CITIES, UH, WE ASKED IF WE COULD HAVE OUR UM, COST. IT'S NOT COST OF SERVICES, REALLY. IT, WHAT IT IS, IS A SERVICE STANDARD EVALUATION MADE BY A THIRD PARTY, LOOKING AT EACH OF THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE AND SOME STANDARD COST AROUND WHAT THOSE SHOULD COST US AND OUR REGION. AND THAT'S UNDERWAY. AND WE WILL HAVE THAT COMPLETED ON THE 19TH AND ON THE 29TH, IT WILL BE REPORTED IN A MEETING OF THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION TO ALL THE CITIES. AND THEN WITH THAT NUMBER, WE CAN DETERMINE IS THERE, IS, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SOME THINGS DIFFERENTLY REGARDING COLLECTING SALES TAX AND SO FORTH. SO WE ARE NEGOTIATING, WE'RE TALKING TO ALL THE CITIES. RANDALL, UH, HAS PROPOSALS FROM THREE OF THE CITIES, I BELIEVE IT IS, AND HAS HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE, INCLUDING IRVING PLANO AND FARMER'S BRANCH. WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL HERE AS OPPOSED AS WELL AS CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING HARD TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WORKS WITH EVERYBODY, NOT CREATE A SANCTION PROBLEM. UH, ONE OF YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MR. SMITH HAD MADE THE COMMENT THAT WE NEED MORE TIME TO NEGOTIATE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT, YOU'RE A PRO, YOU'RE PART OF THAT, UH, DISCUSSION AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL UH, LEAVE IT WITH YOU. YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN DISCUSSION TO HAVE, BUT THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME TO GIVE THAT UPDATE, MAYOR. THANK YOU. GARY. UH, DO YOU WANNA BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF COUNCIL HAS? OH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. MAYBE JUST HANG, HANG TIGHT AND, AND WE'LL BRING ASHLEY UP AND, AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION, HOWARD? OF COURSE. I HAVE DISCUSSION. UH, UM, WHEN, WHEN I RAN FOR THIS OFFICE, I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH DART. SO I WAS THE IGNORANT RESIDENT THAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT GOING TO THE POLLS TO VOTE. HOW ARE THEY GONNA VOTE, VOTE TO GET IN, VOTE TO GET OUT. I, I, I WAS THE ONE. BUT BEING IN THIS SEAT, I'VE HAD TO EDUCATE MYSELF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. AND I HAVE FOLLOWED THIS NOW FOR WELL OVER A YEAR. AND, UM, WE HAD SEVERAL CITIES DOWN IN AUSTIN LAST YEAR COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN UNHAPPY WITH DART. THEY'VE BEEN UNHAPPY WITH THE GOVERNANCE. THEY'VE BEEN HAPPY WITH THE COST THAT THE STUDY, THAT ERNST AND YOUNG STUDY BASICALLY, UM, EXPOSED WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T KNOW. I CERTAINLY DIDN'T KNOW. SO IT WOKE EVERYBODY UP AND THESE CITIES WANT IT FIXED, AND THEY GO TO DART AND THEY ASK DART TO FIX IT. AND DART, ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM GARY, NOW DART IS PAYING ATTENTION TO US. BASICALLY, I FEEL LIKE DART WAS TURNING A DEAF EAR. THAT WAS MY CONSENSUS OF IT. AND SO THE CITIES WERE IN AUSTIN, THEY WERE FIGHTING. LEGISLATURE DIDN'T WANNA DEAL WITH IT. AND BASICALLY DART CAME BACK WITH GIVING US 5% BACK, UM, AS THIS G AND P, BUT LATER SAID, IF WE TAKE THE MONEY, THEN WE CAN'T EVER GO BACK AND FIGHT WITH DART AGAIN TO LOWER OUR COST, OR WE HAVE TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK. SO IT WAS, IT WAS A GOOD GESTURE WITH A POISON PILL IS WHAT THAT'S BEEN BEEN CALLED. SO THE LEGISLATURE ENDED THEIR SESSION. THE GOVERNOR HAD ANOTHER SPECIAL SESSION. THE CITIES, THE MA, THE MAYORS FROM SEVERAL CITIES APPROACHED THE GOVERNOR ASKING TO PUT IT BACK ON, AND HE, HE DIDN'T DO IT. AND SO THESE CITIES ARE UNHAPPY. AND ADDISON WASN'T ONE OF THE CITIES THAT WAS UNHAPPY. I DON'T DISLIKE DART. I, I PERSONALLY THINK IT HAS A, A PURPOSE. UM, HOWEVER, AS I'VE, AS I'VE GOTTEN EDUCATED THROUGH, THROUGH THE [03:20:01] PROCESS, UM, IT'S NOT OKAY TO TAKE $44 MILLION FROM PLANO. I MEAN, TAKE 109 FROM PLANO AND ONLY GIVE THEM 44 MILLION IN SERVICE, AND THE REST GOES TO DALLAS AND IT'S NOT OKAY TO TAKE MORE MONEY FROM ADDISON AND WE GET BACK IN RETURN. AND SO, UM, I, I STARTED PAYING ATTENTION TO THESE OTHER CITIES AND WHY THEY'RE UNHAPPY BECAUSE ADDISON WASN'T UNHAPPY. WE WERE FINE. SO, UH, I'VE BEEN WATCHING ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS, ATTENDED THE PLANO ONE IN PERSON, WATCHED THE OTHER ONES ON, ON THE COMPUTER AND HAVE SPOKEN WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER FROM, UM, UNIVERSITY PARK BECAUSE HE SAID THAT IF THEY STAY IN DART FOR SIX MORE YEARS, THEY WILL SPEND 66 MILLION MORE DOLLARS ON TOP OF THE 91 THAT THEY OWE. AND THEY'RE GONNA GET $3 MILLION WORTH OF SERVICE FOR THAT 500 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND A YEAR. NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DID HIS MATH, I JUST KNOW WHAT HE SAID, AND I CALLED HIM TO QUESTION IT. I ASKED GARY SLAGEL, IF SOMEBODY IS GONNA PAY 66 MILLION AND GET 3 MILLION WORTH OF SERVICE, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY THINK THEY SHOULD SAY OKAY TO THAT? AND HE TOLD ME THAT, UM, PHILIP PHILBIN, HE'S THE COUNCIL MEMBER IN, IN, UP THAT SAID IT, UH, WAS MISTAKEN BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE 42% REBATE THAT U GETS. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY GOT A REBATE. AND SO WHEN I CALLED PHIL AND ASKED HIM, HE SAID, IT'S NOT A REBATE, IT'S A LOAN. AND I SAID, A LOAN. W WHY WOULD Y'ALL BE BORROWING MONEY FROM DART? AND HE SAID, WELL, THEY OFFERED US THIS MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE RAIL SERVICE. SO IT'S CALLED A TRIP PROGRAM, BUT IF WE GET OUT, WE HAVE TO PAY IT BACK. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A LOAN. I SAID, WELL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE WERE OFFERED THAT. NOW I'VE LEARNED THAT WE WERE, THAT WE ALSO GOT MONEY FROM A TRIP PROGRAM. THE POINT THAT I HAVE, AND I'M GONNA JUST TRY AND RELATE THIS TO EVERYONE HERE BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT DART IS TO EVERYONE WHO USES IT, WHETHER YOU NEED TO USE IT, WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO USE IT, WHETHER YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS OR FEEL THAT WAY. I DO NOT TAKE THIS MATTER LIGHTLY. THIS IS HUGE TO ME. UM, BUT I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. IF YOU WENT TO THE GROCERY STORE, AND YOU MAY HATE THIS ANALOGY, BUT YOU PICKED OUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS WORTH OF GROCERIES AND YOU GO TO CHECKOUT AND YOU RUN 'EM ACROSS THE SCANNER AND YOU HAVE TO PAY $2,200 FOR THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS WORTH OF GROCERIES, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DO THAT? NO ONE WOULD DO THAT. AND YET THAT IS WHAT UP IS CLAIMING IS HAPPENING TO THEM. NOW, THIS MEETING'S NOT ABOUT UP. OUR NUMBERS AREN'T NEARLY AS BAD, BUT THEY ARE BAD. AND IF WE CALL THIS ELECTION IN MAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO BACK IN DECEMBER, IT COSTS US $50 MILLION TO GET OUT IF WE, IF WE CALL IT IN NOVEMBER. AND DART REDOES THE MATH. UM, I'VE WORKED ON THIS SCHEDULE AND EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE IT OUT THERE, BUT BASICALLY IT WENT TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE COST US WOULD BE $8.8 MILLION TO STAY IN FOR SIX MORE MONTHS AND COULD POSSIBLY BE ANOTHER 13 OR 14 MILLION DEPENDING ON HOW DART REFIGURE THE, THE, THE MODEL. IF THESE FIVE CITIES PULL OUT IN MAY AND ADDISON DOESN'T CALL FOR THE ELECTION, AND THEN WE GO, OH, WELL, FIVE OF THEM CALL PULLED OUT. NOW WE NEED TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER, IT COULD COST US $22 MILLION. THAT'S WORST CASE. BEST CASE IS IT'LL BE 8,000,800 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND WE JUST KILLED TASTE BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING 750,000 A YEAR. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A A, AN ITEM ON AN ELECTION FOR A $60 MILLION POLICE STATION OR 55 MILLION. AND YET, ACCORDING TO MY MATH, IF WE GAVE DART 17 OR $18 MILLION FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS, IT'S $105 MILLION. IF WE HAVE TO PAY 50 MILLION TO GET OUT ON TOP OF THAT, PLUS ANOTHER 20, UH, 13 OR 14 MILLION, ACCORDING TO MY MATH, WE COULD OWE DART CLOSE TO $200 MILLION BY THE TIME, I MEAN PAID AND OWE NOVEMBER VERSUS NOW IF WE CHOOSE TO GET OUT. SO IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, AND THIS IS NOT MY MONEY. THIS IS YOUR MONEY. AND WE ARE CHARGED UP HERE TO TO, TO USE, UM, OUR PHYSICAL RESPONSIBILITY AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT WE THINK ARE BEST FOR THE TOWN AND BEST FOR [03:25:01] THE RESIDENTS. AND WE ARE NOT VOTING TO GET OUT OF DART. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE ARE VOTING TO GIVE THE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE. AND I PERSONALLY DO NOT WANT SOMEONE TAKING AWAY MY ROAD TO MY RIGHT TO VOTE. I'M A RESIDENT AND A CITIZEN TAXPAYER AS WELL. SO IF EVERY, I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING DRY MOUTH HERE. IF, IF EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS CORRECT THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KEEP DART, WHAT'S THE FEAR? LET'S CALL THE VOTE. LET THE PEOPLE VOTE. WE NEED TO EDUCATE THEM AND LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN MAY AND WE VOTE ON THIS, WE EITHER KEEP DART OR WE DON'T KEEP DART. IT HAS A BIG IMPACT ON WHETHER OR NOT WE APPROVE A 60 MILLION FOR A BOND FOR A POLICE STATION. SO PERSONALLY, I THINK DART SHOULD BE ON IN MAY, AND THE POLICE ISSUE SHOULD BE ON IN NOVEMBER SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH DART BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE POLICE BOND. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, BRUCE. WELL, FIRST I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR ASHLEY. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE GOAL LINK, RIGHT? BEING ADDED IN APRIL MM-HMM . UH, THAT'S SOMETHING TO BRIDGE THAT LAST MILE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU TAKE, UH, THE SILVER LINE IN, YOU COULD TAKE THAT TO ONE OF THE OFFICE TOWERS, YOU COULD TAKE THAT TO A RESTAURANT, RIGHT? IT, IT REALLY CONNECTS OUR TOWN. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT STARTING IN APRIL. WHAT'S THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? I MEAN, I I THINK THE ENY STUDY IS FLAWED, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT, IT TALKS ABOUT IS WHAT, WHAT, UH, DART SPENDS IN YOUR TOWN. WHAT IS THAT GO LINK GOING TO BE? I I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET A NUMBER FROM DART. IT, IT IS NO COST FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET A FIRM NUMBER FROM DART. I I WASN'T EVEN ABLE TO GET A GENERAL NUMBER FROM 2 MILLION. YOU THINK 3 MILLION. THEY DIDN'T, WE DON'T, THEY WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE. I MEAN, IF DART KNOWS THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT, UM, THE PEOPLE I ASKED WAS NOT ABLE TO GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE. OKAY. BARRY, DO YOU, DO YOU POSSIBLY HAVE ANY INSIGHT ON THAT AT ALL? CHECKING. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. WELL, SO, UH, COUNCILMAN SMITH WANTED TO KNOW WHY I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AND IT GETS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I WAS SAYING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I'M GONNA ANSWER. THANK YOU. THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS BECAUSE EVERYONE LIKES TO MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE ENY STUDY, BUT IT'S FLAWED, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE NOW, THE, UM, UH, THE COST OF, AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN, I CAN'T FIND IT, BUT IF YOU TAKE, UM, THE 17 MILLION IN TAX DRIVEN NEW, LESS THAN 9.6 THAT WE'RE GETTING, IF YOU ADD BACK IN THE GMP, IF YOU ADD BACK IN DART, WHICH IS, UH, THE SILVER LINE, WHICH IS 2 MILLION ADD BACK IN THE GOAL LINK, WE'RE, WE'RE BRIDGING THAT GAP, RIGHT? SO I DON'T BUY THAT ARGUMENT AND I JUST REALLY WANTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT COST WE'RE IS BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THE GOAL LINK FROM DART. BECAUSE IF IT'S 2 MILLION, THEN WE'RE BREAKING EVEN. UM, I UNDERSTAND. SO BACK TO, UH, THE REPLACEMENT, RIGHT? AND, AND I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF COMMENTS, BUT MY QUESTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING AGAIN WITH NO NEW INFORMATION. YOU GAVE SOME SLIDES. I'VE TALKED ABOUT RIDE CO. THEY TALKED ABOUT, UM, VIA HOW MUCH WORK HAVE WE PUT INTO THAT? UM, RIDE CO. I WENT TO THEIR WEBSITE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST A SOFTWARE COMPANY. HAS ANYONE TALKED TO RIDE CO? WE HAVE, WE MET, WE ACTUALLY RIDE CO WAS ONE OF THE COMPANIES WE MET WITH PRIOR TO THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING. UM, RIDE CO IS ALSO WORKING AND HAS BEEN TALKING TO OTHER CITIES, DART CITIES ON OFFICE. SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE CARS, THEY HAVE A FLEET. SO THEY ACTUALLY USE UBER. OKAY. UM, THEY DO HAVE A DEDICATED, THEY DO HAVE A DEDICATED FLEET FOR PARATRANSIT. OKAY. BUT THEY RIDE CODE THEMSELVES. THEY ACTUALLY USE THROUGH, THROUGH UBER AND LYFT AND OTHER COMPANIES. OKAY. AND THEN YOU THREW A NUMBER AT US. 1.2 TO 2 MILLION. UH, 2.2 MILLION. YES. SO WE'VE GOT 1800 BOARDING A DAY. 50,000 A MONTH, 600,000 BOARDING A YEAR. RIGHT. WE, WE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. THAT'S THE BOARD. WHAT, WHAT BOARDS IN ADDISON, WE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE COME TO ADDISON, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE. YOU HOP ON A BUS, YOU SWIPE YOUR CARD, OR YOU PAY, RIGHT? THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHEN [03:30:01] YOU GET ON. THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU STOP WHERE YOU STOP. SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA ACCOMPLISH? LIKE, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. HOW ARE WE GONNA REPLACE START IF IT GETS TO THAT POINT? ARE WE GONNA, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO JUST REPLACE THOSE, THAT BOARD AT THE STATION? THAT WOULD NOT BE THE INTENT. SO THE INTENT WOULD BE A, AND THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD NEED COUNCIL DIRECTION. WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DO WE WANNA COVER. SO TALKING TO THESE THREE COMPANIES, THEY BASICALLY TOOK A RING AROUND ADDISON. SO IT WOULD ENCOMPASS, UM, OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE GO INTO NORTH DALLAS, FARMER'S BRANCH, CARROLLTON, UM, EVEN INTO AREAS IN RICHARDSON. SO WE WOULD HAVE A LARGER RING, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO DECIDE. HOW DO WE WANT TO, HOW FAR OUT OF THAT RING DO WE NEED TO GO? HOW DO WE HANDLE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING, LET'S SAY THEY COME IN, UM, TO A RICHARDSON TRANSIT CENTER. HOW DO WE GET THEM FROM RICHARDSON INTO HERE? YEAH. AND, AND, AND HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION, BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE DART IN. WE'VE GOT 200 RESTAURANTS, WE'VE GOT 20 SOME ODD HOTELS. I'M SURE A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS ARE, ARE TAKING DART IN. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE SCOPE OF ALL THIS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR AND HOW EXPENSIVE IT'S GONNA BE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT THERE YET. N NO. AGAIN, WE NEED TO HAVE COUNSEL DIRECTION ON, UM, ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. AND AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS, I'M SORRY, AS FAR AS THE OUTREACH GOES, HOW MANY BUSINESSES DID YOU SAY WE HAVE IN ADDISON BUSINESSES? WAYNE STILL. OKAY. AND WE'VE GOT 52 COMPLETE SURVEYS BACK. AND WE STARTED THIS ON FRIDAY. UH, WE SENT IT OUT LATE ON THURSDAY, BUT WE STARTED OUR BIG PUSH ON FRIDAY. SO I, I'M NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON 52, UM, SURVEYS BACK. UM, YEAH, AND WE, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THIS OPEN AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE COUNSEL AS WE GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. OKAY. AND THEN, SO THAT'S MY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR ASHLEY. OKAY, RANDY? I DO. THANK YOU. UH, ALL OF THESE ARE, ARE EXCELLENT POINTS AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I GO BACK TO, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO DO IT ON DECEMBER THE SECOND. IT WOULD'VE GIVEN US SIX WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS FOR YOU TO RESEARCH AND COME BACK TO US WITH, WITH SOLUTIONS ALONG WITH BEING ABLE TO TALK WITH DARTMORE AND TRY TO GET THIS DONE. THE LONGER THE PRO THIS PROCESS WAS, THE BETTER IT WOULD'VE BEEN. WELL, I'LL REMIND YOU THAT THE COUNCIL VOTED FOUR TO THREE TO NOT HAVE THE ELECTION. SO WHY, WHY? I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DO IT ON DECEMBER. SO WHY SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE VOTE? OKAY. WELL, THERE HAD HAVE BEEN NO NEED FOR ANYONE TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL WORK BECAUSE THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME VOTED NOT TO DO IT. THE NEGOTIATING SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPENING FOR A WHILE, AND IT CAN STILL HAPPEN. WHETHER OR NOT WE VOTE THERE IS A BETTER DEAL OUT THERE, WE JUST NEED TO NEGOTIATE IT. DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO NEGOTIATE WITH DART TO GET 'EM TO MOVE TWO LINES OFF THE BUSIEST, THE MOST RESIDENTIAL HIGH DENSITY STREET IN ADDISON, THAT THEY REFUSED TO DO THAT, THAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE IN 15 MINUTES? THAT'S THE KIND OF NEGOTIATION DART DOES, UNLESS THEY ARE PUT IN A POSITION TO NEGOTIATE. AND THAT'S ALL I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD TRY. OH, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE. AND THERE'S, AND, AND ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING THE SIZE WE ARE, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF BIGGER CITIES DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING FOR US. SO I MEAN, WE, WE KNOW WHAT THE DEAL PLANO, ISS TRYING TO NEGOTIATE FARMER'S BRANCH. AND IF WE CAN NEGOTIATE THOSE DEALS AND THOSE CAN BE CLOSED, I THINK THAT THAT IS A WIN-WIN FOR US. WE, WE GET RAIL, WE GET BUS, AND WE GET A QUARTER OR A HALF A POINT BACK IF WE CAN NEGOTIATE. I THINK YOU'RE MAKING MY ARGUMENT MORE THAN YOU ARE YOURS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I AGREE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, NOW I'M FINDING OUT THAT CITIES WERE GETTING REBATES AND WE WEREN'T, I MEAN, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A STRAIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD. EVERY CITY GOT THE SAME, THE SAME DEAL. AND NOW I'M FINDING OUT THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DIG AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, THE DEBT BEING PLACED WITH, WITH DART. I WAS ALSO AT THE, AT THE LUNCH ON FRIDAY, UH, WHEN DART WAS TALKING ABOUT THEIR FUTURE NEEDS. AND I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ANGLE OF IT, BUT ALL OF THEIR LIGHT RAIL AT THIS POINT IS REACHING THE END OF THEIR SERVICE LIFE. AND, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 2.25 BILLION MORE DOLLARS OF DEBT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. [03:35:01] YOU FIGURE THAT IN TO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY A SHARE OF TO WAIT SIX MORE YEARS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS A STRICTLY, MY BIGGEST POINT IS THIS IS STRICTLY A RIGHT TO VOTE ON THIS ISSUE. IT'S BEEN 43 YEARS SINCE OUR RESIDENTS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE ON THIS. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY VOTERS HAVE BECOME OF AGE TO VOTE IN 43 YEARS? THERE'S PROBABLY NOT MANY ADDISON RESIDENTS LEFT FROM 43 YEARS AGO. I'M SURE THERE'S A FEW, THERE'S NOT MANY LEFT. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR INPUT, WHETHER THEY VOTE TO STAY, WHETHER THEY VOTE TO PULL OUT, I WILL FULLY SUPPORT WHAT, WHAT THE, THE, THE VOTERS CHOOSE TO DO. UH, I WAS TRYING TO DO RESEARCH ON OTHER, LIKE TRANSIT SYSTEMS AROUND, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THEM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN OUR AREA SERVES OUR NEEDS BEFORE WORTH IS CLOSE. THERE ARE NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR SYSTEM. HOW DO THEY FUND THEIRS? HOW, HOW IS THE, WHAT IS IT? TRE SOMETHING EXPRESS THEIR, THEIR RAIL, THEIR THEIR TRANSIT SYSTEM. HOW ARE THEY FUNDED? SO FORT WORTH HAS THE TRINITY METRO. OKAY. AND IT IS FUNDED THROUGH A HALF CENT, UH, TO FORT WORTH VOTERS ONLY. OKAY. SO FORT WORTH VOTERS PAY FOR THE TRINITY METRO. SO A HALF CENT RATHER THAN A FULL CENT. YES. OKAY. AND THEN THE TRE, SO THE TRINITY REL EXPRESS IS ACTUALLY FUNDED BY BOTH TRINITY METRO AND DART. THAT'S THE LINE THAT RUNS FROM, I BELIEVE, DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS. IT IS FUNDED BY DART AND TRINITY METRO THROUGH, UM, DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THROUGH FARES, THROUGH, UM, I THINK STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING. I'M SURE DART'S LOOKING AT ME. UM, BUT IT'S FUNDED THROUGH MANY THINGS, BUT IT IS ALSO FUNDED BY THOSE TWO AGENCIES BECAUSE IT SERVES BOTH DALLAS AND FORT WORTH. YOU JUST MADE MY TEETH ITCH. LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ON PART OF YOUR RESPONSE THERE. DID YOU SAY DART FUNDS THEM? THEY DO. MY TAX DOLLAR A PORTION FUNDS A FORT WORTH SYSTEM THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE 13 COMMUNITY. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT DART PAYS A PORTION OF THE OPERATING COST AND THEN IT'S ALSO FUNDED THROUGH PASSENGER AFFAIRS FEDERAL GRANTS. AND, UM, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE AN INDEPENDENT TAX. SO IT DOES NOT HAVE A DEDICATED SALES TAX THAT GOES TO IT. HEART OF DART'S TAX MONEY GOES TO A FORT WORTH SYSTEM. THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT SERVED BY US. THAT THAT CONNECTS TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS. IT IS STILL THE FORT WORTH SYSTEM, BUT IT CONNECTS TO THE DALLAS SYSTEM AND TO THE DALLAS TO DART SYSTEM. RANDY, IT'S ALSO RUNS THROUGH COLLEYVILLE, BUT WE DON'T GIVE COLLEYVILLE MONEY. I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS A DART SYSTEM THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUNDED IN, IN, IT DOESN'T STOP IN COLLEYVILLE, BY THE WAY. IT DOES NOT. I KNOW THAT. BUT THEY HAVE A, IF YOU RIDE THE SILVER LINE, THERE IS A STOP WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF COLLEYVILLE. SO, UM, UH, NO. ANYWAY, I, THIS IS MY TIME MAYOR AND I'LL GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO RESPOND TO ME. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE PUTTING, PUTTING CORRECT INFORMATION OUT THERE. RANDY, YOU CERTAINLY CORRECT ME WHEN I'M FINISHED AND DO IT IF I'M SAYING SOMETHING WRONG. BUT I'M HEARING THAT DART IS FUNDING A TARRANT COUNTY SYSTEM AND IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY A QUESTION. UH, AND THIS IS MY TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WISELY, OR LEAVE PLEASE? NO COMMENTS FROM THE, FROM THE CROWD. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS YOURSELF. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THE FUTURE DEBT IS A REAL PROBLEM WITH ME AND, AND I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO GET INTO A LOT OF NUMBERS AND HOW BAD THE SYSTEM IS FOR ADDISON AND ALL OF THE OUTLYING AREAS THAT REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS. THIS IS A RIGHT TO VOTE AND IT IS BEEN 43 YEARS SINCE OUR CITIZENS HAVE VOTED ON THIS AND THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO VOTE YAY OR NAY. AND WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE, I WILL FULLY SUPPORT, SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, ASHLEY. OKAY, DARREN. SO, UM, ON SLIDE EIGHT, OR ASHLEY, SO THE 1800 BOARDINGS EACH WEEKDAY FROM ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE COMING TO ADDISON OR GOING FROM ADDISON? WE DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE BREAKDOWN INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO, UM, IT, IT'S JUST THE BOARDINGS. SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION. SURE. AND, AND THAT'S NOT, NOT [03:40:01] ANYTHING ON THE, ON THE TOWN FOR THOSE NUMBERS. UM, I RODE DART SEVERAL WEEKS AGO TO, FOR ACTUALLY A PURPOSE. I RODE LIKE FIVE BUSES IN SILVER LINE. UM, AND THE EXPERIENCE ON DART WAS GOOD, UH, RIDING THE BUSES. THE BUSES WERE CLEAN. THEY WERE, THEY WERE PUBLIC BUSES AND, UH, THERI DRIVERS WERE, WERE GREAT. THEY WERE VERY, UH, PLEASANT. AND UH, THE RIDE WAS GREAT. UM, SO WHEN I, I BOUGHT A TICKET AND ALL I HAD TO DO WAS JUST SHOW 'EM A SCREEN. SO THEY DON'T KNOW THAT I'M ON THE BUS AND I'M A PRIVATE PERSON, SO I'M KIND OF GLAD THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M AT. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRIVACY, BUT YOU CAN'T COUNT PEOPLE. YOU CAN'T COUNT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING AND COMING FROM. SO THAT'S A FLAW THAT I, I I LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE THE COST ALLOCATION, UH, METHOD TO, TO SEE WHAT IS ALLOCATED TO ADDISON ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT WE NEED OR WHAT WE USE. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH. THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS. THE OTHER THING I'M GONNA, THERE'S BOTH SIDES TO THIS, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS, THIS VISIBILITY IS, IS JUST NECESSARY. WE MAY NOT LIKE IT. THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT DART MAY NOT WANT IT TO COME UP FOR A VOTE. THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T SUPPORT DART MAY NOT WANT IT NOT TO GO THROUGH A VOTE. SO THIS IS JUST SOME SAUSAGE THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR VENDOR'S DOING FOR DART. I MEAN, FOR ADDISON, UM, THE SILVER LINE, UM, COST ALLOCATION ADDITION COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO $9 MILLION A YEAR. AND IF YOU DO THAT MATH, AND IT COMES OUT TO BE, THE COST ALLOCATION COMES UP TO WHAT WE'RE PAYING TO THE 17 MILLION. AND WE MAY BE GETTING A BETTER DEAL. BUT IT GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, COST ALLOCATION. AND MOST OF OUR COST ALLOCATION NOW IS BASED ON BUS SERVICE. I MEAN, LIKE 95% OF IT'S BASED ON BUS SERVICE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE NO RAIL IN 2023. UM, AND DO WE NEED $9 MILLION OF BUS SERVICE? THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE DON'T HAVE 1800 PEOPLE GETTING ON FROM ADDISON AND, AND, AND GETTING ALL FROM ADDISON. THAT'S TRANSFERS ADDISON. SO THE NUMBERS ARE SKEWED. IT'S JUST, I WOULD LIKE A AND GARY ALLUDED TO THIS, AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR GARY. THE SERVICE STANDARD COST, DOES THAT HELP ADDRESS THIS MORE VALUE USAGE TYPE OF QUESTION? YEAH, IT DOES. OH WOW. NA OKAY. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS. NADINE LEE, PRESIDENT, CEO OF DART. UM, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION FULLY. SO, UH, THE STUDY THAT PEOPLE REFER TO THAT IS OBVIOUSLY MISSING THE SILVER LINE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT EY, UH, IT'S A COST ALLOCATION. IT'S HOW MUCH COST IS ALLOCATED TO THE CITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO MY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT'S AN ALLOCATED COST. IT'S NOT A REAL USAGE THAT WE HAVE OR NEED THAT WE NECESSARILY HAVE. AND WE'RE NOT COUNTING PEOPLE THAT GO TO AND FROM ADDISON. WE'RE COUNTING PEOPLE THAT GO THROUGH THE A TC. SO, UM, DOES THIS STUDY THAT, UH, OR REPORT THAT GARY ALLUDED TO THE SERVICE STANDARD COST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, THE RATE STUDY IS WHAT WE, THE RATE STUDY. WE CALL IT A RATE STUDY. IT'S LIKE A UTILITY RATE STUDY. IF WE WERE GOING TO BE, IF WE WERE JUST AN OPERATOR, WE WEREN'T DART, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE PRIVATE OPERATOR AND WE WERE SELLING OUR SERVICES ON THE OPEN MARKET TO A BUYER MM-HMM . SUCH AS THE TOWN OF ADDISON OR A REGION. SURE. UM, HOW MUCH SHOULD WE CHARGE FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE? BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE PURCHASING, LIKE WITH SO MANY OTHER THINGS IS YOU'RE PURCHASING THE AVAILABILITY OR THE CAPACITY. SO IT IS NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO USE IT. JUST LIKE WHEN YOU BUY A LIBRARY, YOU'RE NOT BUYING IT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA USE IT. YOU'RE BUYING IT TO STORE THE BOOKS AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PURCHASING. SO THE RATE STUDY THAT THAT ANSWERS SOME WILL ANSWER SOME OTHER QUESTIONS TO ME. 'CAUSE THAT'S MORE OF A COMPETITIVE THING THAT WE CAN SEE AND UNDERSTAND. THAT DARTS AN AGENCY THAT COVERS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAN A REGULAR FOR-PROFIT VENDOR MAY NOT. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. CORRECT. UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE, UH, NEED THAT ADDISON HAS, UH, FOR THESE SERVICES, MY, MY, UH, AND THIS DOESN'T REALLY NECESSARILY GO BACK TO YOU AS A QUESTION, BUT THE QUESTION IS, UM, HOW, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL DEMAND THAT WE HAVE FOR ADDISON? BECAUSE ALL THE BUSES RUNNING THROUGH ADDISON RUN THROUGH ADDISON TO GO TO THE TRANSIT CENTER. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UH, A, A NEED FOR ADDISON. IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND YOU GIVE US 800, DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED 800. IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE SPENDING 800 OVER HERE. SURE. YES. UM, SO IF I COULD TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. SO A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, UM, MAYOR ARSON AND MR. GAINES REQUESTED THAT WE GET SOME INFORMATION TO, UM, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WHO ARE COMING TO ADDISON BY TRANSIT ARE ACTUALLY STAYING IN ADDISON OR APPEAR TO BE STAYING IN ADDISON. 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T TRACK PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY. SURE. UM, [03:45:01] WE WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. UM, I THINK IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, UM, WE HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY INFORMATION. WE'RE JUST VETTING IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACCURATE. UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW PEOPLE USE THE SYSTEM, I, I THINK, UM, PEOPLE CURRENTLY USE THE SYSTEM THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM. UM, AND I'LL USE THE SILVER LINE AS AN EXAMPLE. UM, RIGHT NOW THE SILVER LINE COMES EVERY HALF HOUR DURING THE PEAK PERIOD, ONLY EVERY HOUR IN THE OFF PEAK. UM, NOT A SUPER AVAILABLE SERVICE. IT'S A GREAT SERVICE, BUT NOT SUPER AVAILABLE. IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THE LEVELS OF SERVICE, WHICH YES WOULD COST MORE, UM, I THINK MORE PEOPLE WOULD USE IT. SO I THINK OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM, AND THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO ADDISON, I THINK OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM COULD USE MORE SERVICE, LIKE MORE FREQUENCY. BECAUSE WHEN EVERYONE ASKS ME, WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE RIDERS, MY ANSWER TO THEM IS, I HAVE A WHOLE SHELF FULL OF, UM, PLANS TO INCREASE SERVICES TO MAKE THE SERVICES MORE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE SO THAT IT'LL BECOME MORE USEFUL AND MORE CONVENIENT. AND THAT IS THE WAY THAT YOU ACTUALLY GENERATE MORE RIDERSHIP. YES, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO A LOT OF MARKETING. UM, BUT THE TRUTH IS, IS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY USE AT THEIR CONVENIENCE. UM, THAT'S WHY THE CAR IS SO ATTRACTIVE. IT'S VERY CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO USE BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO THEM. AND SO AS WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE, UM, INCREASE THE AVAILABILITY OF TRANSIT TO ALL THE PEOPLE IN OUR SERVICE AREA, CITIES, UM, WE REALLY LOOK AT FREQUENCY FIRST. UM, IN TERMS OF HOW OFTEN A BUS COMES AROUND OR HOW OFTEN THE RAIL COMES AROUND. UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT GOLINK IS THAT IT'S SORT OF A DEMAND RESPONSIVE SERVICE. AND SO IT MAKES IT MORE CONVENIENT. HOWEVER, UM, GOLINK, OUR MICROT TRANSIT SERVICE DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT A BUS HAS OR A RAIL HAS. AND SO YOU HAVE TO, UM, KIND OF STEP UP THE, THE MODE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING BASED ON THE DEMAND THAT'S THERE. AND SO I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEMAND IN ADDISON. AND, UH, WHAT I CAN SAY, AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WE WILL GET THEM FOR YOU IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDISON IS A NET IMPORTER OF WORKFORCE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF ADDISON TO ADDISON TO, TO TAKE ON THE JOBS THAT AS ADDISON HAS TO OFFER, I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE. AND SO THE REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY ASPECT OF DART SERVICES, I THINK SHOULDN'T BE UNDER, UNDER, UM, UH, UNDERESTIMATED HERE. OKAY. UM, SO JUST A QUESTION ON SLIDE SIX, KIND OF GOING BACK TO, UH, TO ASHLEY AS WELL. THANK YOU. MEETING. SO 104%, UH, JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. UM, I, I LIKE THE NUMBERS. WELL, THE ALLOCATION LOOKS, LOOKS MORE FAIR. I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING FIRST GLANCE AT THIS ONE. UM, AND, AND TO THE DARK BOARD, UH, I APPRECIATE THE WORK ON THAT, UH, GETTING THERE. ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT THE NUMBERS? GO AHEAD. THAT WAS A PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THAT MAY BE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, BUT NADINE'S COMING UP, IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FULLY EXPLAIN. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, IF THIS IS THE GENERAL, WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, IF THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF A 40% FOR DALLAS IS SEEMS MORE FAIR. SO I FEEL A LITTLE OBLIGATED TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION SINCE I'M REALLY THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ROOM WHO'S BEEN IN THESE CONVERSATIONS. SO, UM, THIS WAS A PROPOSAL THAT WAS PUT ON THE TABLE. UM, THE, THE PERCENTAGE VOTE, OBVIOUSLY NOT ACCURATE 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE 104%. UM, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY REALLY ADDED UP AT THE END TO MAKE SURE IT EQUALED A HUNDRED. UM, SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO REDO THEM. BUT, UM, BUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND THIS PARTICULAR CHART THAT YOU SEE HERE WAS, UM, WE STARTED OUT, LET ME JUST BACKTRACK ONE SECOND ON GOVERNANCE, THE IDEA WAS TO SOLVE TWO PROBLEMS. THE FIRST PROBLEM IS EVERY CITY THAT'S A MEMBER CITY OF DART WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE. THAT'S THE FIRST PROBLEM. THE SECOND PROBLEM WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE IS THAT NO SINGLE CITY SHOULD HAVE A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE ON THE DART BOARD. AND SO THAT GOES TO THE NUMBER OF SEATS THAT EACH, EACH CITY HAS. WHAT, WHAT THE WORKING GROUP COALESCED AROUND, UH, WAS THE CONCEPT CERTAINLY OF STARTING WITH AT LEAST 13 SEATS BECAUSE IT'S ONE CITY, ONE SEAT. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, BASED ON POPULATION, POPULATION RANGES, I SHOULD CLARIFY, BASED ON POPULATION RANGES, EACH CITY WOULD THEN GET AN ADDITIONAL SEAT OR HALF SEAT DEPENDING ON, UM, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR ACTUAL POPULATION IS, UM, WITHIN EACH OF THE RANGES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED. AND I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD EITHER, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SEND YOU THOSE RANGES. AND SO WE ENDED UP KIND OF PUTTING TOGETHER THIS, YOU KNOW, VOTE AND, UM, NUMBER OF SEATS CHART. UM, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T ADD IT UP AT THE END TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS UH, CORRECT, BUT, UM, BUT THIS WAS A STARTING POINT FOR, UH, WHAT WE KIND OF COALESCED AROUND IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CAPTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE REPRESENTATION FOR THOSE CITIES THAT HAD A LARGER POPULATION. UM, BUT STILL GIVING [03:50:01] A SEAT TO EACH OF THE CITIES THAT WAS SMALLER IN POPULATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. ALSO, ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS IS, IS A VISIBILITY THAT, THAT WE NEED TO KNOW AS VOTERS. AND THE QUESTION IS TO ASK, AND I'M NOT AFRAID OF THIS GOING TO A VOTE IN MAY, THAT'S, I'M NOT AFRAID OF IT. I THINK THIS IS JUST GOOD INFORMATION TO GET OUT THERE TO MAKE AN EDUCATED, UH, CHOICE. UM, SORRY, RANDALL NO, GO AHEAD. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO JUST COMMENT ON THE GOVERNANCE. YOU CAN COMMENT ON THAT. I'LL FINISH THAT ONE. OKAY. UM, RANDALL BRYANT THREE 50 NORTH, UM, NORTH IRV A. SO AS, UH, OUR CEO KIND OF MENTIONED THE GOVERNANCE AS IT IS PRESENTED HERE, UM, WAS THE WORK OF THE CITY MANAGER GROUP AS WELL AS DART'S, CEO. UM, IT ACTUALLY WAS, UH, KIND OF THE GENESIS OF IT THOUGH WAS ACTUALLY DART'S RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED BACK DURING THE SESSION 2 5 0 0 2 7, WHICH WAS THE INITIAL FRAMEWORK FOR THIS. AND SO I KNOW ONE OF THE SLIDES SAID THAT DART HASN'T TAKEN ACTION ON THIS YET. WE ACTUALLY TOOK THE FIRST ACTION BACK IN MARCH, WHICH IS THE FRAMEWORK FOR THIS. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE CITY OF DALLAS' T AND I COMMITTEE WILL BE TAKING, UH, TAKING THE ACT, THE ITEM UP ON THE 20TH OF JANUARY. I KNOW SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE COMMENTED BACK TO THE LETTER THAT I WROTE TO THEM, ENCOURAGING THEM TO DO SO. SO WHETHER THAT'S GOVERNANCE OR FUNDING, UH, WE ARE TRYING TO PUSH AS THE AGENCY AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO TRY TO SOLVE THESE, UM, THESE ISSUES. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'LL TABLE STOP FOR NOW. OKAY, DAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, NA AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. SINCE I WAS AT THE NORTH DALLAS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ON FRIDAY, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT HAD ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT, AND I'M, I'M JUST GONNA QUOTE A LINE HERE FROM ONE OF OUR SLIDES. MANY OF THE ABOVE CHANGES WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE STATE LEGISLATIVE ACTION. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THE GENTLEMAN HAD ASKED WAS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT ABOUT MEETING WITH GOVERNOR ABBOTT. AND YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT ABOUT TRYING TO GET A MEETING WITH GOVERNOR ABBOTT. AM I MISSTATING THAT AT ALL? I MUST HAVE BEEN AT A DIFFERENT MEETING. ? NO. . I DON'T REMEMBER A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT MEETING WITH GOVERNOR ABBOTT, BUT, OR TRYING TO GET A MEETING WITH, WITH STATE LEGISLATURE. UH, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER. I WISH I COULD HAVE RECORDED THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT QUESTION TO BE HONEST. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE WITH ME THERE, REMEMBER THAT QUESTION. I REMEMBER IT. I REMEMBER YOU SAYING YOU WERE TRYING TO GET A MEETING WITH THE GOVERNOR. DID YOU SAY THAT TO US? I'M CERTAIN IF YOU SAID THAT, I SAID THAT. I'M CERTAIN I SAID IT . UM, BUT I MEAN, WE, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, WE DID TRY TO GET MEETINGS WITH THE GOVERNOR, UM, YOU KNOW, DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. AGAIN, I DON'T REMEMBER THE CONTEXT OF THIS QUESTION. UM, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, GUARD IS VERY INTERESTED IN TALKING TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS ABOUT THE SITUATION THE STATE HAS FUNDING. UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A SURPLUS. UM, AND I AM NOT SHY ABOUT SAYING I WOULD LOVE TO SPEND SOME OF THAT SURPLUS. BUT, UM, I THINK THE RTC HAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT, OR THROUGH THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, HAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING SOME STATE FUNDING OR TRYING TO, UM, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE STATE TO INVEST IN TRANSIT. UM, THE, THE STATE ACTUALLY JUST RECENTLY PUBLISHED THE STATEWIDE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN OR TRANSIT PLAN, UM, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS REGION SPECIFICALLY NEEDING MORE TRANSIT, NOT LESS. RIGHT. SO THE, THE BROADER PICTURE I'M TRYING TO, TO GET TO IS THIS ALL STARTED IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS, MAYBE THE HEAVIER SIDE OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WORD VOTE STARTED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. HOW MANY YEARS OR HAS THERE BEEN YEARS OF TRYING TO GET A MEETING AT THE STATE LEVEL WITH ANYBODY AT THE STATE LEVEL THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE TO TRY AND DEMAND CHANGE? KNOWING FIFA IS COMING, KNOWING JUST, JUST, JUST GROWTH IS COMING TO THE STATE IN DART HAVING SUCH AN IMPACT REGIONALLY AS THE BIGGEST PROVIDER? WHERE DID THAT FALL SHORT OR HAS IT FALLEN SHORT? I DON'T WANT, THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. UH, UM, LET ME ANSWER THIS QUESTION BY SAYING, AND I'M GONNA BE REALLY CANDID HERE. UM, I THINK DART HAS BEEN FORCED INTO A VERY DEFENSIVE POSTURE OVER THE LAST THREE SESSIONS. UM, THE PREVIOUS SESSIONS WHERE THERE WERE, UM, BILLS OR FILED TO, UM, ASK, I MEAN, THERE WERE, THERE WERE DIFFERENT BILLS FILED ASKING DART TO DISAGGREGATE COSTS BY MEMBER CITY. UM, THE FIRST TIME, UM, I THINK WE CONVINCED THE STATE LEGISLATOR LATER TO PULL BACK ON THAT. AND WE ENDEAVORED TO PROVIDE SOME COST ALLOCATION. UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO BY THE WAY. I MEAN, A DISAGGREGATION LIKE ACTUALLY FINANCIAL AUDITED, FINANCIALLY AUDITED, UM, DISAGGREGATION OF COSTS IS EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT GIVEN THE SYSTEMS WE HAVE IN PLACE TO TRACK THOSE COSTS. WE ARE ACCUSTOMED IN TRANSIT TO TRACKING COSTS BY MODE, NOT BY CITY, SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER CITY, RIGHT? LIKE YOUR [03:55:01] CITY, UH, YOU ALL DON'T, UH, DISAGGREGATE YOUR COSTS BY CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND WE DON'T DISAGGREGATE COSTS BY CITY CITIES. SO, UM, WE HAVE ENDEAVORED TO DO THAT. UM, I BELIEVE FOUR TIMES AT THIS POINT. THE FOURTH TIME WOULD'VE BEEN THE EY COST ALLOCATION STUDY. I WILL ADMIT THAT THE, UM, THE QUESTION CHANGED. UM, SO THE FIRST PROPOSAL TO DESEGREGATE COSTS BY CITY, UM, WAS A PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. AND THEN OVER TIME IT EVOLVED INTO HOW MUCH MONEY DID DART SPEND IN EACH CITY. AND SO THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. UM, AND SO DURING THOSE TIMES, UM, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT WE NECESSARILY WERE REACHING OUT DIRECTLY TO THE GOVERNOR TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WE WERE MORE TALKING TO THE STATE LEGISLATORS, UM, APPEALING TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WERE GOING TO BE ADVANCING OR NOT ADVANCING THE BILLS. AND SO, UM, WE DO CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE FUTURE AS NEEDING MORE INVESTMENT IN TRANSIT. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, AND I THINK THAT, THAT TXDOT HAS ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED THIS THROUGH THEIR STATEWIDE MULTIMODAL TRANSIT PLAN THAT WE CANNOT BUILD OURSELVES OUTTA THIS PROBLEM. LIKE WHEN YOU GO FROM EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE TO 12 MILLION PEOPLE, UH, CONGESTION WILL ONLY INCREASE. AND AS I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE, YOU WILL PAY WITH YOUR TIME OR YOUR MONEY. SO, UM, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, WE NOT YOU, WE CAN ALL DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO, UM, SPEND OUR TIME DEALING WITH TRAFFIC DELAY. OKAY. SO THAT, I MEAN, JUST, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. I I THINK THAT THE TEMPERATURE GETS ELEVATED BY THE POPULATION GROWTH ALONE. AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I, AGAIN, I WATCH THE LOCAL NEWS. YOU SEE GOVERNOR ABBOTT UP IN SHERMAN SIGNING OFF ON A, ON A CHIP PLANT. YOU SEE HIM IN DOING GOOD DEEDS, RIBBON CUTTINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TEMPERATURE CHANGING WITH TOWNS, CITIES VOTING UNANIMOUSLY TO TAKE THIS TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS, THE TEMPERATURE HAD TO GO UP ANOTHER 10 DEGREES. I, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT, THAT THE JAR BOARD COULD NOT PULL OFF GETTING A MEETING WITH SOMEONE AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE LEVEL OR STATE REPRESENTATIVES TO MAKE THIS TEMPERATURE GO UP AND EXPONENTIALLY FASTER OR GREATER. AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE TERM UBER OR LYFT OR THESE, THESE MICRO TRANSITS, UM, IN THOSE SERVICES, YOU KNOW, THE NEWS OF THE FEDERAL FLEET THAT YOU JUST GOT FUNDED FOR THAT JUST CAME THROUGH. WAS THERE EVER A CONVERSATION KNOWING THAT THE WORD MICRO IS BECOMING MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU CAN GET TO AND FROM FASTER IE GOLINK OR MICRO TRANSIT, UM, ABOUT TAKING THAT FLEET THAT, OR WAS IT LOCKED INTO FULL SIZE BUSES? WAS THERE EVER A CONVERSATION ABOUT USING WHAT I CALL MINI BUSES TO BE ABLE TO DO A SATURATION, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, TO LEVEL THE LEVEL THAT PLAYING FIELD TO GET THE SERVICE UP, TO GET MORE RIDERS ON IT, OR TO GIVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE TO SOMEONE LIKE ADDISON, WHO'S ONLY 4.4 SQUARE MILES. WE DON'T NEED BIG GIANT BUSES RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS AND WE HAVE A TRANSIT CENTER, WE SEE IT. I'D RATHER SEE A FLEET OF LITTLE MICRO BUSES RUNNING AROUND TOWN PERSONALLY. SO ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT FLEET THAT CAME IN FEDERALLY AND BACK TO WHAT I HAD ASKED ABOUT THE TEMPERATURE? YES. UM, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE DID REACH OUT TO GOVERNOR ABBOTT FOR THE SILVER LINE OPENING, BUT HE, UH, HE DECLINED. HE MUST HAVE HAD OTHER THINGS TO DO. SURE. TO HAVE MAYOR BRUCE. BRUCE, BRUCE NEEDS TO CALL HIM. SO I WILL, UM, LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR BUS ORDER. UM, WE HAVE 476 BUSES ON ORDER. THEY ARE NOT ALL 40 FOOT BUSES, WHICH ARE THE ONES YOU'RE ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING. I BELIEVE ABOUT 76 OF THEM ARE 30 FOOT BUSES. SO THEY'RE SMALLER. THEY MAY NOT BE LIKE MINI BUSES IN AS YOU'RE PICTURING THEM IN YOUR MIND, BUT THEY ARE SMALLER VEHICLES. UM, PART OF THE DECISION ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPES OF BUSES WE PURCHASE IN OUR FLEET ARE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR A HEAVY DUTY VEHICLE THAT HAS A MUCH LONGER LIFE, UM, OR USEFUL LIFE THAN, THAN, UM, WHAT WE USED TO CALL CUTAWAYS, WHICH ARE SMALLER. I THINK THEY CARRY ABOUT 20 PEOPLE. THOSE CUTAWAYS THAT WE USED TO USE ONLY LAST ABOUT SIX YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE TO REPLACE. CAN I INTERRUPT, JUST LIKE THAT REFERENCE SIZE BUS? MM-HMM . YEAH, EXACTLY. OKAY. SO, SO THOSE DON'T LAST AS LONG. UM, THEY'RE QUITE EXPENSIVE AND THEY DON'T LAST AS LONG. AND SO THE REPLACEMENT COSTS ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE. UM, WHEN WE DO AN ANALYSIS ON WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE WE'RE GONNA PURCHASE, WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL LIFECYCLE COSTS OF THESE FLEETS. UM, WE ALSO LOOK AT OUR SERVICE LEVELS AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TO BE THE GROWTH, UM, IN THE REGION AND, AND HOW MUCH, UH, CAPACITY WE'RE GOING TO NEED. UM, IT, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO SAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY THAT WE NEED DURING THE PEAK PERIOD, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR GREAT, LIKE OUR BIGGEST LOADS. AND SO A LOT OF TIMES THE DECISION ON, ON PURCHASING OUR VEHICLES, MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION THAT WE MAKE ON BUILDING OUR HIGHWAYS IS DRIVEN BY THE PEAK PERIOD DEMAND, RIGHT? SO, UH, SO WE SIZE THE VEHICLES AND THE FLEET, UM, TO OUR SERVICE REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND ALSO WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TO BE OUR PEAK LOADS. UM, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF GIVE AND TAKE, RIGHT? [04:00:01] LIKE DURING THE PEAK PERIOD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE SERVICE. UM, IT'S GONNA COME AROUND MORE OFTEN, SO YOU HAVE MORE CAPACITY THAT WAY. UM, BUT WE, IT'S A DELICATE BALANCE BETWEEN HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO SPEND ON VEHICLES AND OPERATORS, UM, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICE VERSUS, UM, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO JUST HAVE A LARGER VEHICLE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. SO AS AN, AS A LAYMAN, THIS BUS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO TRY AND ATTRACT NEW RIDERSHIP TO THEN PAY FOR ITSELF, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WARRANT ENOUGH CAPACITY ON THESE TYPES OF BUSES. IF YOU HAD A FLEET OF THESE RUNNING AROUND ADDISON VERSUS FULL-SIZE BUSES, YOU WOULDN'T CAPTURE ANOTHER 3000 RIDERS, LET'S SAY. YEAH. SO IF IT WAS, UH, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS A ROUTE THAT WAS STRICTLY LIMITED TO OPERATION IN ADDISON, THAT MIGHT WORK. UM, HOWEVER, ADDISON, AS YOU ALL HAVE NOTED, HAS A LOT OF, UH, HAS A LOT OF SERVICE THAT IS KIND OF GOING THROUGH ADDISON. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT STOPS IN ADDISON, BUT IT'S CARRYING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CHANGE BUSES IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROUTE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, SO OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO OPTIMIZE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, THE CAPACITY, UH, BASED ON OUR DEMAND, BUT THE CAP, THE CAPACITY, AND THE FREQUENCY OF OUR, OF OUR SERVICES AND OUR VEHICLES. YEAH. 'CAUSE YOU, BECAUSE FRIDAY YOU MADE THAT COMMENT THAT YOU HAD THE EMPATHY, WE ALL HAVE EMPATHY FOR THOSE THAT HAVE TO RIDE THE PRODUCT. THEY HAD TO HAVE THREE TRANSFERS. AND THE TIME IT TAKES IN THOSE TRANSFERS FOR, LET'S SAY IT WAS ME, I HAD TO TAKE THREE TRANSFERS TO GET TO ADDISON TO COME TO WORK, AND I LIVE IN RICHARDSON, THOSE THREE TRANSFERS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IN MY BRAIN, IS THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT WOULD HELP ME LESSEN THE BURDEN ON THE TRANSFERS, I WOULD BELIEVE TO GET THAT AS, AS ASHLEY REFERRED TO THAT RING OF SERVICE MM-HMM . IN THOSE PRIME TIME PERIODS VERSUS ME BOARDING IN RICHARDSON, A BUS WITH SIX OTHER PASSENGERS THAT HOLDS, I DON'T KNOW, 70, 80 PEOPLE. I AGAIN, HEY DAN, USUALLY ABOUT 40 OR 50. CAN I INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND? IT REALLY FEELS LIKE WE'RE, WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC HERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT I AGREE. I I I COULD PROBABLY SIT AND TALK TO 80 FOR HOURS. THAT'S AGENDA ITEM. I, I APPRECIATE THAT, NATE, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. AND IT HELPED, IT HELPS PUTS THINGS IN CONTEXT FOR ME. I APPRECIATE IT. CHRIS, CAN I TALK HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU AT ANY TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, NADINE. CHRIS, CAN I GO TO, UH, MARLON, HE HASN'T, UH, HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK YET. MARLON, UH, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT ALL THE, THE STUFF THAT'S BEEN ASKED, BUT, UM, DARREN, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. UM, I, I OBVIOUSLY WANT MORE OF THESE BUSINESS SURVEYS. I WANT A LOT MORE DATA COLLECTION RESULTS. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AND I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF NEEDS TO DO WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL IS, WHAT THEY'RE HEARING FROM COUNCIL. SO, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO CONTINUE. AND I LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF THE EMPLOYEES FROM OUR HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, BUSINESSES, WHAT HAVE YOU, ARE USING DART, HOW THEY'RE USING DART, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, FOR US TO, TO LOOK, UH, MORE INTO, UH, MICRO TRANSIT AND PARATRANSIT WITH THESE, WITH THESE, WITH EVERYBODY, WITH EVERYBODY. RIDE CO VIA DART, ALL OF THOSE. WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THAT COST? UM, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH A COMMITTEE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT ON TIME, UM, FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. BUT, BUT IF WE, IF WE, IF WE NEED TO LATER, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT LATER. UM, AND, AND, UM, IF, IF COUNCIL, UH, WERE TO VOTE TO, TO HAVE A A MAY ELECTION, WELL THEN ONLY AT THAT TIME WOULD, I, WOULD, UH, IN MY MIND, WOULD I WANT, UH, COUNSEL TO, TO CONSIDER THE RESOURCES AS FAR AS WHAT WOULD BE THE DART ASK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD WE, WHAT WOULD WE WANT SERVICE WISE, PRICE WISE, WHAT HAVE YOU FROM DART TO, TO RESCIND THAT OR NOT, NOT NOT GO FURTHER WITH THAT. SIMILAR TO WHAT, AND, AND, AND THAT GOES ALONG WITH, UM, WHAT, WHAT PLANOS ALREADY DONE, WHAT FARMER'S BRANCH HAS ALREADY DONE, HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IRVING. I'M GUESSING THEY'VE DONE THE SAME. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THOSE OTHER CITIES, ESPECIALLY PLANO, FARMER'S BRANCH, AND IRVING. I, I DON'T, UM, UNIVERSITY PARK, HIGHLAND PARK, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT WITHOUT RAIL. SO, UM, I'M MORE FOCUSED ON THOSE, THOSE BIG THREE. UM, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. CHRIS, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, BUT I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION FOR NADINE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I THINK THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT IS FACING OUR TOWN, TOWN, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE FACE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UH, HERE'S MY QUESTION. I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. SO I GREW UP UP NORTH WHERE EVERYONE TOOK PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND, UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STIGMA HERE, UM, WITH, WITH TAKING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. UM, THERE'S, EVERY YEAR GRIDLOCK GETS WORSE, AIR QUALITY GETS WORSE. UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT FREQUENCY, MAYBE THAT WOULD INCREASE RIDERSHIP, BUT YOU ALSO [04:05:01] SAID THAT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE. UM, AND WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAVE CITIES SAYING THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THE ONE PENNY THEY'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER? HOW DO WE SOLVE ALL THIS ? UM, WELL, UH, WHAT'S THE LAST ONE? FIRST OF ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE, WHEN WE HAD OUR, THE FIRST OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE 13 SERVICE AREA, CITY MANAGERS AND CITY MANAGERS, UM, BACK IN SEPTEMBER, UM, I WAS ASKED TO MAKE A FEW REMARKS AND, UM, AND I OPENED WITH THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INCONGRUENT MESSAGING THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM PEOPLE. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR A LOT IS, WOW, YOUR SERVICE REALLY JUST ISN'T THAT GREAT. UM, WHICH I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT COULD DEFINITELY BE BETTER 'CAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, WE WERE ALSO HEARING WE REALLY WANT SOME MONEY FROM DART. UM, AND, AND MY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS VERY COMPLEX ISSUE IS THAT THE NEED FOR REVENUE IS SHARED BY THE 13 CITIES AND DART. EVERYONE NEEDS MORE REVENUE. YOU ALL DON'T CONTROL THE FACT THAT THE STATE HAS PUT THEIR THUMB DOWN ON PROPERTY TAXES. UM, THAT'S NOT ON YOU. HOWEVER, UM, DART CANNOT BECOME THE FUNDING AGENCY FOR EVERY CITY AND EVERY ENTITY THAT NEEDS MONEY. UM, AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE GET ASKED A LOT BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IT'S NOT JUST CITIES. UM, TO ME, UM, WHAT I SAID IN THAT FIRST MEETING WAS, LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOUR INCONGRUENT MESSAGING ASIDE, UM, EVERYONE NEEDS MORE REVENUE. UM, AND TO ME, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT DART REDUCING ITS SALES TAX, SALES TAX COLLECTIONS IF WE CAN ALSO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT REPLACEMENT REVENUE AND INCREASING OUR REVENUES. I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IN TEXAS THAT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, UM, I DON'T, I HAVE NOT HEARD A SINGLE CITY SAY, IF WE COULD FIND NEW REVENUE STREAMS, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, OR WE WOULDN'T, I SHOULD SAY. I, I THINK IF WE WERE TO ALL WORK TOGETHER AND REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK ON GOVERNANCE, WE CAN WORK ON FUNDING STRUCTURES, WE CAN WORK ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS. BUT WHAT, WHAT DART IS INTERESTED IN IS NOT TRYING TO SPONTANEOUSLY MAKE A CHANGE WITHOUT A LENGTHY POLICY DISCUSSION ON WHAT OUR FUTURE LOOKS LIKE. BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF YOU, I'M CERTAIN, HAS MADE PROMISES TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. DART HAS CERTAINLY MADE PROMISES TO THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO ARE IN OUR SERVICE AREA. UM, AND, AND ALL OF US HAVE ALWAYS PLEDGED TO BE BETTER. AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION. WE'RE NOT BEING BETTER. NONE, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US IS ACTUALLY LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE REVENUE. ALTHOUGH DART IS EXPLORING THAT WITH VERY UNPOPULAR IDEAS, . UM, SO TO ME THE ANSWER IS LET'S WORK TOGETHER, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUTURE SHOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEN TAKE THE NECESSARY STEPS TO DO THAT WHERE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER AT THE LEGISLATURE ASKING FOR THE SAME THING. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE ANSWER IS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, CHRIS? I THINK RANDY HAD A QUESTION. WELL, I WANNA GO DOWN TO HOWARD. I THINK IT'S TRYING TO, IT WAS FOR MS. LEE, BUT SHE'LL COME. SHE UP, NOT GO ANYWHERE. GO AHEAD RANDY. COME UP LATER. I'LL ACQUIESCE. IT'S ALRIGHT. GO AHEAD, RANDY. OKAY. MS. LEE , YOU YIELD IT TO ME. THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE MY PAYCHECK FROM THE CITY OF ADDISON. ANYTIME ELSE. SAYING, UH, TWO QUESTIONS. UH, EVERYONE HAS HIT UPON IT THAT DART IS THIS ECONOMICAL WAY TO GET AROUND. THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, CHEAP. TO ME, I SEE THAT AS A PROBLEM WHEN I CAN GET ON THE SILVER LINE FOR A DOLLAR AND A HALF AND GO TO THE AIRPORT. I THINK YOU JUST REVEALED YOUR AGE, BUT , THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND IT IS A DOLLAR AND A HALF. AND KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF, PLEASE. IT IS A DOLLAR AND A HALF FOR MY AGE TO GO TO THE, TO GO TO THE AIRPORT. MY GOD, THAT IS CHEAP. . I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY. UM, ANY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I MAY BE ONE OF THE FEW AROUND HERE AND I'LL, I'LL, I WILL, UH, REVEAL MY AGE AGAIN. 43 YEARS AGO I VOTED ON DART AND I WAS AROUND FOR THE DISCUSSIONS OF ALL THE PROMISES DART WAS GONNA MAKE. SO I REMEMBER FROM THE BEGINNING AND ALL THROUGH. AND PART OF IT WAS GOING TO BE BASICALLY AT SOME POINT DART WOULD BE SELF-FUNDED THROUGH FARES. WELL, THEY WILL NEVER SELF-FUND THROUGH FARES AT A DOLLAR AND A HALF TO THE AIRPORT OR $3 OR $6. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WITH DART WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MORE REVENUE IN CREATING MORE REVENUE IN THE FAIR END OF IT, IF, IF PEOPLE ARE [04:10:01] NOT WANTING TO BUY CARS AND THEY SAY THEY'RE SAVING MONEY ON CARS, GAS, MAINTENANCE AND INSURANCE, THEY MAY NEED TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE ON FARES. SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON INCREASING FARES? SO THE ANSWER IS YES. THERE WAS AN EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE COULD PROBABLY INCREASE FARES WITHOUT LOSING RIDERSHIP. THERE'S A STRONG TIE BETWEEN THE COST OF A RIDE AND HOW MANY RIDERS WILL ACTUALLY RIDE. UM, WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE FAIR STUDY. I BELIEVE WE FINALIZED IT, UH, IN 2024. I HOPE I GOT THAT RIGHT. UM, MAYBE TOWARDS THE END OF 2024. I, I GET ALL THE DATES WRONG. BUT ANYWAY, UM, WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE FAIR STUDY WHERE WE LOOKED VERY EXTENSIVELY AT NOT ONLY THE, UM, THE VERY DELICATE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE, UH, THE FAIR RATE AND RIDERSHIP. UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT DISCOUNT PROGRAMS AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD STRIKE THE BEST BALANCE BETWEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT LEVERS THAT, UH, THAT CONTRIBUTE TO WHETHER PEOPLE RIDE OR NOT RIDE, UM, HOW MUCH REVENUE WE'RE GONNA GENERATE. UM, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY, UM, IN A PRETEND EXAMPLE RAISE OUR FARE TO $20 A RIDE, BUT PROBABLY NOBODY WOULD RIDE IT 20 TO THE AIRPORT. IT WOULD BE CHEAP. SO BY THE TIME THERE ARE TIME YOU PAY PARKING, BY THE TIME YOU PAY TO GET THERE, $20 WOULD BE CHEAP. YEAH, I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO GENERATE REVENUE. UM, CERTAINLY, UM, AIRPORT TRIPS. UM, SOME, SOME TRANSIT AGENCIES CHARGE MORE FOR THE AIRPORT TRIP, UH, THAN OTHERS, THAN, THAN, THAN FOR OTHER TRIPS. UM, THERE ARE WAYS TO CHARGE FOR PARKING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN OUR SERVICE AREA, WHO PARK FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, AT, AT THE PARKER, UH, STATION IN PLANO. UM, SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. NONE OF THEM ARE, UH, CHEAP TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AND TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. NOT LOOKING FOR A HARD ANSWER ON YOU RAISING FARES TONIGHT. THAT'S JUST A, A QUESTION AS FAR AS, I THINK THE CHEAP FARES ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA RAISE YOUR FAIR SPECIFICALLY, BUT WELL AND THAT, THAT, AND I WOULD, LIKE I SAY, I WOULD, IT WOULD BE CHEAP. IT WOULD BE, OF COURSE I'M BEING FACETIOUS, BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT RAISING FAIRES. OKAY. UM, AND AGAIN, UH, IT WAS SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO STRIKE THAT RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN, UM, RAISING THE FARE TO A LEVEL WHERE WE WOULDN'T LOSE SIGNIFICANT LEVELS OF RIDERSHIP. OKAY. MY SECOND AND FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU HAS TO DO WITH OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM. AND SHOULD WE HAVE A, HAVE AN ELECTION MAY OR NOVEMBER WHENEVER, AND IT, IT, WE PULL OUT, YOU SAY THAT SERVICE WILL STOP IMMEDIATELY. IS THAT YOUR CHOICE OR IS THAT STATE LEGISLATED? IT'S IN THE STATUTE. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSIT CENTER AND ALL OF THE ROUTES THAT COME TO OUR TRANSIT CENTER, GET ON OTHER BUSES TO GO. SO WHAT DOES THE FUTURE OF OUR TRANSIT STATION LOOK LIKE? SHOULD WE PULL OUT, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL WITHDRAWAL ELECTION, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ROUTE, UM, OUR BUSES THROUGH A DIFFERENT LOCATION. UM, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE TRANSFER, UH, PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE TRANSFER REQUIREMENT IN ADDISON ANYMORE. UM, IMMEDIATELY OR IN THE FUTURE? UH, IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE WE WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO STOP AT THE TRANSIT CENTER. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, UM, AND, AND SO WE, UM, WE HAVE TO, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, ADDISON IS A, A CHALLENGING, UM, CITY TO ADDRESS IN TERMS OF HOW THE SERVICE, HOW THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE REMOVAL OF THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER. 'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A, AN IMPORTANT HUB IN OUR SYSTEM. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IS FIGURE OUT LIKE IF ADDISON WERE TO HOLD AN ELECTION AND TO BE SUCCESSFUL, HOW WOULD WE THEN RECONFIGURE EVERYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH ADDISON TODAY? SEE, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE BUSES WOULD STILL BE DRIVING THROUGH ADDISON. THEY JUST WOULDN'T BE STOPPING. THEY COULD STILL DRIVE THROUGH ADDISON. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY COULD STILL DRIVE THROUGH ADDISON. THEY JUST WOULDN'T STOP. THEY THAT TRUE. THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO STOP. IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT SOMETHING BY STATUTE OR BY DART'S DECISION? BUT THAT'S YOUR PROPERTY BASICALLY, ISN'T IT? TO BE ABLE TO COME, OUR SERVICES WOULD STOP IN A CITY THAT WITHDRAWS. SO WOULD NOT STOP EVEN THE OKAY, THANK YOU. I I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. MM-HMM. UM, THAT WOULD BE ALL I WOULD HAVE FOR YOU. BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUICK ONE FOR MR. GLICK. THIS, THIS IS . CAN, CAN, CAN WE MAYBE JUST MOVE THIS FORWARD? YOU BET YOU. ONE, ONCE I ASK MR. GLICKMAN ONE MATH QUESTION, OUR, IF WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PULLOUT, I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR OBLIGATION WOULD BE 54 MILLION, CORRECT? IT'S APPROXIMATELY CORRECT. APPROXIMATELY A PROBLEM. SO, AND, AND SERVICES WOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY [04:15:02] IF WE STOP, IF WE WAITED UNTIL NOVEMBER TO HAVE THE ELECTION, WE WOULD STILL BE PAYING OUR HALF CENT. WE, WE WOULD ALSO STOP BASICALLY OUR, OUR COUNTDOWN WOULD START THE DAY THEY STOPPED SERVICE. CORRECT? UH, IT STARTS RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION. CORRECT. SO WE, IF WE DID IT IN NOVEMBER AND PULLED OUT, WE WOULD STILL PAY DART ANOTHER EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION. UH, BASICALLY APPROXIMATELY. APPROXIMATELY. THOSE ARE ROUGH NUMBERS. YEAH. SIX MONTHS WORTH OF THE TOWN SELL TAX. WHAT, WHAT IS EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION OF 54 MILLION PERCENTAGE WISE? UH, ABOUT 17%. SO WE WOULD BE 17% ON OUR WAY TO COMPLETELY PAYING OUR DEBT OFF BY GETTING OUT IN MAY OVER NOVEMBER. CORRECT. NOW IN NOVEMBER, THE OBLIGATION MAY BE DIFFERENT. IT COULD BE. I I'M JUST SAYING IF ALL STAYED THE SAME. YEAH. IF ALL STAYED THE SAME. THAT'S CORRECT. IF ALL STAYED THE SAME, WE WOULD BE 17% TOWARDS PAYING OFF OUR DEBT. JUST IN GETTING OUT IN MAY OVER NOVEMBER. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR FOR INDULGING ME ON THAT CONVERSATION. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS AND WE COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT ALL NIGHT LONG. I'D PREFER NOT TO. UH, BECAUSE THE, THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO, UH, PRESENT A DISCUSS ALLOWING AS AND ADDISON RESIDENTS TO VOTE ON WHETHER TOWN SHOULD REMAIN IN ORDER OR WHAT, OR WITHDRAW FROM DART FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN THE LAY OF THE LAND THAT I SEE, I SEE 1, 2, 3 THAT HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT YOU ALL WANNA YOU, THAT YOU WANT TO DO THAT. YES. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. YES. AND I SEE FOUR AND I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU TWO, BUT I THAT'S FOUR IS FOUR. SO THAT TELLS ME THAT IT'S THAT, THAT WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING. WELL, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. I KNOW. I CLEAR YOU'RE NOT CHRIS. THANK YOU. AND DAN, I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU ARE. I, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING TO A VOTE. OKAY. SO THIS IS COMING TO THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. AND SO, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE JUST MOVE, WE MOVE ON FROM HERE. AND WHAT, WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER, THOUGH, WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE, FROM THE SPEAKERS EARLIER. UM, IF THAT, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT TO WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO SPEND 50 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS FOR NO SERVICES FOR NOTHING, THEN IT, THAT, IT SEEMED LIKE IT'S SMART TO TAKE THE TIME. AND I THINK NANCY CRAIG SAID ARE PROBABLY THE BEST TO, TO, TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION, TO BE INFORMED TO, TO HAVE THE MOST INFORMED VOTERS THAT WE CAN. AND WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE LAY OF THE LAND LOOKS LIKE. WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE MAIL, MAIL ELECTIONS LOOK LIKE IN THESE OTHER CITIES. AND WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT YOU NOT RUSHING THINGS. WELL, LET'S DON'T RUSH IT. WE DON'T NEED TO. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IT IN NOVEMBER. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT. BUT THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS THAT WERE TRIGGERED BY SOME FOLKS THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, GOT SOME THINGS GOING OUT THERE. AND, AND THAT'S ALL GOOD. YOU KNOW, WE GOT, WE GET THEM FEEDBACK, UH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S NOT ACCURATE OUT THERE. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT THERE, THAT FOLKS ARE GETTING ACCURATE INFORMATION. AND WE, WE CAN'T RUSH TO DO THAT. WE, WE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME TO GET THERE. AND FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT, THAT THINK THAT WHAT WE DID ON DECEMBER 2ND WAS SOMEHOW UNPATRIOTIC, THAT WE WERE, THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO RESTRICT VOTERS' RIGHTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. THAT, THAT WAS ABOUT FOR ME FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WAS ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S THE VALUE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT? SOME PEOPLE REALLY VALUE PUBLIC TRANSIT. I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE I THINK I I, I TOLD Y'ALL ON DECEMBER 2ND, I GO BACK TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT MORE THAN ANYBODY THAT NEEDED TO GET TO WORK AT THE HOSPITALS, AT THE SCHOOLS, AT THE RESTAURANTS, THE HOTELS, THOSE PEOPLE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER OPTION IF THEY HAVE TO GO BUY A CAR AND IT'S GONNA COST 'EM ANOTHER THOUSAND BUCKS OR MORE A MONTH. AND FOR PAYMENTS AND INSURANCE. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I THINK ABOUT. AND SO FOR, FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY THAT, WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM VOTING. IT'S JUST, THIS IS JUST THAT, THAT WAS JUST A DEMONSTRATION FOR ME OF HOW I VALUE PUBLIC TRANSIT. AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT. THIS IS A REGIONAL SYSTEM. NO, NOBODY GOING IN, EVER THOUGHT, I'M SURE THAT, WELL, IF WE PUT A DOLLAR IN, WE'RE GONNA GET A DOLLAR BACK OUT. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. AND I GET THAT THE NUMBERS ARE, THE NUMBERS ARE IMPORTANT. THE NUMBERS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S A LOT, A LOT OF MONEY. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART FOR ME ARE THOSE ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED THE GREATEST BY IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ALWAYS GONNA GO BACK TO. SO WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS ITEM PLENTY. AND HOWARD, ARE YOU OKAY? I SEE YOUR LIGHTED ON YOU. [04:20:01] OKAY. IF WE MOVE ON, I'LL, I'LL SKIP ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GONNA ASK THIS ONE. I'VE HEARD IT TONIGHT AND YOU JUST SAID IT. WHAT MISINFORMATION IS BEING PUT OUT THERE? 'CAUSE EVERYTHING I'VE READ SEEMED ACCURATE. WHAT'S WRONG? WELL, I, I DIDN'T MAKE A LIST OF IT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A GOODLY AMOUNT OF IT. NAME ONE, NAME TWO. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE MISINFORMATION? BECAUSE I'M NOT, WELL, SOMEBODY THAT SAID, WELL, WE, I WANT OUR, I WANT OUR SALES TAX TO BE REDUCED. THAT DOESN'T REDUCE YOUR SALES TAX. THERE'S ONE. WELL, THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I KNOW. IS THAT, THAT'S SOME OF THE INFORMATION SOMEBODY HAD. THAT'S MY POINT. SOMEBODY WROTE INTO US SAYING THAT. I I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE. I DID. WELL THE ONE, THE ONE THAT I SAW THAT MADE NO SENSE THAT I THINK WAS MISLEADING WAS IT TALKED ABOUT THE ENY STUDY AND WE'RE ONLY GETTING NINE AND A HALF MILLION BACK. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE TOWN TO ADDRESS THAT AND, AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE SILVER LINE. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE GOAL LINK. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE REFUND WE'RE GETTING OF 2.9 MILLION. 'CAUSE IF YOU DO THAT COMPLETELY GETS RID OF THAT ARGUMENT. OKAY. SO I WANNA ASK YOU ABOUT THE 2.9 MILLION. AND THIS IS REALLY, I GUESS FOR ASHLEY, IS THAT ONE TIME OR DO WE GET THAT EVERY YEAR? RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE TIME. ONE TIME. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE MATH, YOU CAN'T COUNT THAT EVERY YEAR? WE DON'T KNOW. IT COULD BE EVERY YEAR. OKAY GUYS, WE'RE DONE WITH THIS. WE'RE DONE WITH THIS. THIS, I WANNA SAY ONE MORE THING. UH, AND, AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE DONE WITH IT, CHRIS. WE'RE NOVEMBER IS THE SMARTER MOVE, RIGHT? AGREE. WE'RE JUST NOT READY. AGREE. WE HAVE NO, WE, WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION. WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW WE'RE GONNA REPLACE IT. WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY FEELS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE A TOWN TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE VOTE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I AGREE. THANK YOU CHRIS. ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL FOR THIS ITEM. UH, THANK YOU ASHLEY. THANK YOU GARY RANDALL. NADINE, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. AND STEVEN, UH, THANK YOU. UH, SO FOR RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE END OF OUR WORK SESSION, UH, 8 45. WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING. UH, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A, UH, FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND, AND WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE OF OUR FLAGS. HOW ABOUT THAT? ALRIGHT. [ COUNCIL MEETING The Addison City Council will convene for a Council Meeting beginning at 7:00 PM in the Town Hall City Council Chambers.] GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. IT IS 8 57 AND WE ARE RECONVENING THE COUNCIL INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING, MEETING AGAIN AT 8 57. AND AS ALWAYS, AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETINGS, WE'D LIKE TO START WITH THE P OF BOTH OF OUR FLAGS. IF YOU PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE APRIL I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT, WELL THIS WILL NOT GO DOWN AS ONE OF OUR ON TIME STARTS FOR A MEETING. UH, WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO ITEM [2. Proclamations / Presentations] NUMBER TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. AND TWO A IS, UH, CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCEMENTS AND TWO B IS EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION. DAVID GAINES. THANKS MAYOR. JUST TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS TO KEEP THINGS MOVING. JANUARY 14TH IS THE FIRST DAY FOR CANDIDATES TO FILE FOR THE MAY, 2026 CITY COUNCIL ELECTION. DIGITAL PACKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE@ADDISONTX.GOV SLASH ELECTIONS BEGINNING TOMORROW, JANUARY 14TH. PAPER PACKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AT TOWN HALL. THE DEADLINE TO FILE IS FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 13TH AT 5:00 PM PLEASE CONTACT CITY SECRETARY VALENCIA GARCIA WITH ANY QUESTIONS. FINALLY, TOWN OFFICES, INCLUDING THE ATHLETIC CLUB, WILL BE CLOSED ON MONDAY, JANUARY 19TH IN OBSERVANCE OF MLK DAY. IF YOU NEED HELP WITH, IF YOU NEED HELP WHEN OFFICES ARE CLOSED, PLEASE CALL, PLEASE CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY DISPATCH NUMBER AT 9 4 6 9 2 8 9 3 2 7 OH OR STAR 2 4 7. FROM A MOBILE DEVICE, TRASH AND RECYCLING COLLECTION WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE HOLIDAY. NEXT, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION AND SHE HAS STUCK IT OUT WITH US FOR A LITTLE LONGER THAN PLANNED, BUT I'LL ASK WAYNE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE, INTRODUCE OUR EMPLOYEE. ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, UH, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. IT IS, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU MS. BELLA MOLINA, WHO SERVES AS OUR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR. UH, BELLA JOINED THE TOWN ON NOVEMBER 17TH, IS ORIGINALLY FROM GUANA, HURO, MEXICO. ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. SHE HAS LIVED IN DALLAS FOR MOST OF HER LIFE. SHE ATTENDED TOWNVIEW LAW MAGNET IN DALLAS AND WENT ON TO ATTEND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS. GO MEAN GREEN, UH, WHERE SHE EARNED HER UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE AND LATER COMPLETED HER MASTER OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AT SMU. SHE RECENTLY BECAME ENGAGED AND HER FIANCE'S NAME IS JOEY. [04:25:01] UH, SHE'S A DEDICATED AND OBVIOUSLY VERY LOYAL DALLAS SPORTS FAN AS SHE SUPPORTS BOTH THE DALLAS COWBOYS AND THE DALLAS MAVERICKS. VERY LOYAL. SHE ENJOYS SPENDING HER WEEKENDS IN ADDISON, TRYING NEW RESTAURANTS AND VISITING LOCAL FAVORITES. SHE APPRECIATES THE ENERGY THAT ADDISON HAS OF BEING A BIG CITY, WHILE STILL OFFERING THE WARMTH OF A CLOSE AND CONNECTED COMMUNITY. THAT SENSE OF BELONGING INSPIRED HER TO APPLY AND CONTRIBUTE TO A PLACE THAT SHE'S ALREADY ENJOYED SPENDING TIME IN. UH, SHE'S PROUD OF SEVERAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS PROFESSIONALLY. SHE HELPED LAUNCHED HER FORMER COMPANY, JLL, IT'S MARKETING LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM ON A GLOBAL SCALE, WHICH WELCOMED ITS FIRST GROUP OF PARTICIPANTS THIS YEAR. PERSONALLY. SHE MADE A COMMITMENT TO READ MORE AND COMPLETED 12 BOOKS IN 2024, OR, YEAH, 2025, I'M SORRY. UH, AND SHE ALSO ENJOYS GOING TO CONCERTS, ESPECIALLY, UH, K-POP ARTISTS. SO I'VE RECENTLY BECOME A K-POP FAN DUE TO THE NETFLIX SHOW. I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE HER UNDERSTANDING OF THE ADDISON, UH, WAY REFLECTS HER COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE. TO HER IT MEANS SHOWING UP EACH DAY AND, AND WITH THE GOAL OF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND BY BEING INNOVATIVE, COLLABORATIVE AND SUPPORTIVE IN SERVICE TO THE TOWN AND ITS PEOPLE. SO PLEASE JOIN ME AND RECOGNIZING AND WELCOMING BELLA TO THE TOWN OF ADDISON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, WAYNE. THANK YOU, BELLA. WHAT A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM. SO, UH, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. PUBLIC [3. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.] COMMENT. UH, CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA. COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THE SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW. THE COUNSEL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSS ANY ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COUNSEL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. I HAVE TWO COUNSEL APPEARANCE CARDS, UH, FOR THIS. AND SO I'LL CALL FIRST ON CHERYL SANDBERG. I MESSAGE, SHE LEFT. SHE LEFT. ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL ON JERSEY GOLDMAN. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL AND JERSEY, IF YOU GIVE US YOUR, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, NAME AND ADDRESS. JERSEY GOLDMAN 1530, UH, 1533 SAWYER DRIVE, 32 MINUTES NORTH IN AUBREY, TEXAS. UM, BUT, UH, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF KIND OF JUST SOME, UH, SOME VOCAL THINGS THAT CAME THROUGH. GOOD VIBES. JUJU NUMBER ONE, UM, I LITERALLY, I APOLOGIZE. I SAID WHEN I WOKE UP THIS MORNING THAT I WOULD GET IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND OUT BEFORE DALLAS STARS PUCK DROP AND PUCK DROP IS, UH, LITERALLY HAPPENING IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES. SO I JINXED Y'ALL, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LONGER MEETING THAN NORMAL, BUT WANTED TO COME UP HERE JUST KIND OF WITH A PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE COMMENT. NUMBER ONE, UH, IN THE PAST, WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU, ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, HOLY CANNOLI. TONIGHT'S MEETING HEAVY, RIGHT? UH, THERMOSTAT DEFINITELY DOESN'T SHOW THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM, RIGHT? AND YOU GUYS COME IN HERE, VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME, GUYS AND GALS. SO THANK YOU FROM A NON-CITIZEN OF, OF ADDISON. BUT, UH, PRESENT, JUST, UH, LAST WEEK GOT NOTIFIED OF A CHANGE IN ONE OF YOUR EVENTS. AND I COULD BE HONEST, IF I DICTATED WHERE I LIVED BASED ON THE EVENTS, I'D PROBABLY PICK ADDISON, RIGHT? AND SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS, DEFINITELY YOUR DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL EVENTS. AND THEN JUST WANTED TO ESSENTIALLY COME AND DROP A PEBBLE IN THE POND BECAUSE WHAT ALSO HAPPENED LAST WEEK WAS THREE BUSINESS OWNERS THROUGHOUT DFW GOT TOGETHER AND IMMEDIATELY WITHIN 45 MINUTES THOUGHT OF WAYS TO DEFINITELY ACCOMMODATE AND COME UP WITH THE CREATIVE IDEAS FOR EVENTS FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON SPECIFICALLY. WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET THERE. BUT JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. AND, UH, THROW A PEBBLE IN THE POND THAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS START SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. WE BRING SOME GREAT EVENTS TO, UH, TO ADDISON LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE DONE SO MANY TIMES BEFORE. SO GO STARS GUYS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. JERSEY. DID HE SAY HOLY CANNOLI? I THINK HE SAID HOLY CANNOLI. . ALRIGHT. AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY, UH, COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS. IS THERE ANY, UH, ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE, UH, OUT ITEM NUMBER THREE AND MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, [4. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] WHICH IS A CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT TONIGHT CONSISTS OF ITEM FOUR A THROUGH FOUR C. IS THERE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ON, ON SECOND. THANK YOU, DARREN. THE SECOND WAS FROM WHO? MARLON. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. ALRIGHT, MOVING [a. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to amend the permitted use and development standards and development plans for Planned Development (PD), Ordinance No. O25-026, for an 8.02± acre property generally located at the southwest corner of Midway Road and Beltway Drive, to allow for the modification and construction of two stand-along retail buildings (identified as Buildings 15 and 16) within the mixed-use development. Case 1945-Z/AMLI Treehouse, Phase 2 Retail Amendment.] ON TO ITEM FIVE, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE FIVE A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD. [04:30:01] ORDINANCE NUMBER OH TWO FIVE DASH 0 2 6 FOR AN 8.02 ACRE PROPERTY. GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MIDWAY ROAD AND BELTWAY DRIVE TO ALLOW FOR THE MODIFICATION AND CONSTRUCTION OF TWO STAND ALONE RETAIL BUILDINGS IDENTIFIED AS BUILDINGS 15 AND 16 WITHIN THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CASE. 1945 DASH Z SLASH AMLI TREE HOUSE PHASE TWO, RETAIL AMENDMENT. LESLIE. HELLO, GOOD EVENING, LESLIE. AND I'M DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UM, THE REQUEST THIS EVENING IS A ZONING AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AMWAY TREE HOUSE PHASE TWO PROJECT. UM, THIS IS THE NORTHERN, UH, HALF APPROXIMATELY OF THE PROJECT ALONG MIDWAY ROAD. UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, REFRESHER ON THIS PROJECT. UM, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY A ONE AND TWO STORY, UH, RETAIL OFFICE, UM, PROPERTY THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES, UH, IN 20:24 AM GOT, UH, ACQUIRED THE PROPERTIES AND RECEIVED ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT FOR A PHASE TWO OF THE MIXED USE, UM, PROJECT. WE KNOW AS AMLE TREEHOUSE. UH, THE FIRST PHASE WAS AT OFFICE IN THE PARK IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, THEY RECEIVED ENTITLEMENTS FOR THIS PROPERTY IN 2024. UH, THEY WERE BEFORE YOU APPROXIMATELY FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS AGO FOR AN AMENDMENT, UM, FOR THE TOWN HOMES, WHICH WOULD ALLOW CADENCE HOMES TO CONSTRUCT THE FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES AT THE REAR OF THIS PROJECT, BOTH ON PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. UM, THEY'RE BACK BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT REQUEST, UM, FOR SOME MODIFICATIONS SPECIFICALLY TO HELP ACCOMMODATE THE RETAIL AT THE HARD CORNER OF MIDWAY ROAD AND, UM, BELTWAY DRIVE, WHICH ARE TWO STANDALONE RETAIL BUILDINGS. UM, AND THIS AMENDMENT THIS EVENING DOES NOT IMPACT OR AMEND IN ANY WAY, PHASE ONE. SO, AS MENTIONED, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THIS IS ONCE AGAIN JUST PHASE TWO. THE ONLY, UM, ITEM THAT IS BEING IMPACTED BASED UPON THIS AMENDMENT ARE THE TWO BUILDINGS WHICH YOU SEE IN, UM, THE PINK RED COLOR, UM, OUTLINED IN THE RED DASH LINE. THOSE ARE THE TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS. UM, IT, UM, ENCOMPASSES A LITTLE OVER, UM, 12,500 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, ENCLOSED RETAIL SPACE. UM, THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, DOES NOT, IS NOT GOING TO EXPERIENCE ANY CHANGES WITH THE, THIS AMENDMENT THAT INCLUDES, UM, ANY OF THE OTHER PROGRAMMING FOR THE SITE. UH, SO JUST TO REITERATE ANYTHING THAT ON THIS PLAN, YOU SEE THERE IS A LEGEND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THIS PLAN. IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO SEE, UM, ZOOMED OUT, BUT ALL THE PROGRAMMING IS ALREADY IDENTIFIED ON THIS PLAN. SO ANY ITEMS YOU SEE IN THE, UM, BLUE COLOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE ALL REMAIN FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES THAT'S NOT PROPOSED TO CHANGE AS WELL AS THE STACKED FLATS WITH THE RENTAL, UH, MULTIFAMILY AND THE RENTAL TOWN HOMES. SO ALL THE PROGRAMMING IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME. JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT. UH, SO MOVING FORWARD TO WHAT IS PROPOSED TO CHANGE. SO THIS IS, UM, THE FIRST PLAN DEVELOPMENT WE'VE SEEN COME FORWARD THAT IS BRINGING FORWARD AN AMENDMENT TO ALIGN WITH THE UDC, UM, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. AND SO THIS IS, UH, REALLY WHAT A LOT OF THESE, UM, AMENDMENTS ARE PROPOSED TO BE, IS TO BE IN ALIGN WITH THE NEWLY ADOPTED, UM, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE STANDARDS WITHIN IT. UM, SO JUST A FEW THINGS, UM, PREVIOUSLY, UM, OR AS IT EXISTS TODAY, I SHOULD SAY IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. UM, IT DIDN'T INCLUDE A LOT OF SUBCATEGORIES THAT ARE NOW BROKEN UP, BROKEN OUT INTO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. FOR EXAMPLE, RETAIL WAS A CATCHALL. IT WAS A VERY BROAD CATEGORY AS IT RELATES TO LAND USES. UM, STAFF WORKED WITH THE, UM, APPLICANT, AMWAY RESIDENTIAL, WHO IS THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT AND IS WORKING ON DEVELOPING AND LEASING OUT THESE RETAIL SPACES, UH, TO EXPAND UPON THAT LIST BASED UPON WHAT WE HAVE IN THE TABLE OF PERMITTED USES IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PULL OUT ANY APPROPRIATE USES THAT HAVE SINCE BEEN EXPANDED UPON WITH THE NEW CODE. UM, SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT EXERCISE AND YOU'LL SEE A VARIETY OF USES THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, PULLED INTO THIS, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS THEY ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE FALL, UNDER THE RETAIL DEFINITION IN A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE ONLY, UH, USE THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, FOR THE M TWO ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A MIXED USE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE INTENT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ANIMAL GROOMING SERVICES. UM, THAT IS NOT A STANDALONE USE IN THE U UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, [04:35:01] HOWEVER, IT IS A USE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, IF THE RIGHT TENANT COMES ALONG COULD BE A USE THAT AMLI WOULD WELCOME IN ONE OF THEIR TENANT SPACES FOR PHASE TWO. UM, THEY HAVE, UH, SO WE WORKED TOGETHER TO, UM, GENERATE A DEFINITION, UH, WHICH IS PROPOSED WITHIN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO IF THAT USE WERE TO COME ALONG, IT WOULD BE, UH, ALLOWED AS A PERMITTED USE. UM, SO THAT IS A NEW USE AND DEFINITION. ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TODAY. UM, THESE PROPOSED USES WOULD APPLY SPECIFICALLY AS MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE TO BUILDINGS 15 AND 16 ON THE LAND USE PLAN. UM, UM, BUILDINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES COULD NOT, AS AN EXAMPLE, CONVERT TO ANIMAL GROOMING SERVICES. THE OTHER CHANGE, UM, OR THIS REALLY ISN'T A CHANGE, MORE OF A REFERENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT MOVING FORWARD, IS THE FORM-BASED STANDARDS. UM, THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY EXIST BEFORE 'CAUSE WE ONLY HAD A CON CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE RETAIL. UH, THEY WERE COMING BACK FORWARD WITH, UM, FINAL PLANS FOR THE RETAIL COMPONENT, UM, FOR, IN, UM, ADVANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS AND CONSTRUCTION, WHICH THEY'RE TEEING UP TO DO IN THE NEAR FUTURE. UM, SO LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THE AFTER THE REFINEMENT OF THAT, UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO SUBSTANTIALLY ALIGN ONCE AGAIN WITH THE M TWO DISTRICT. UM, THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION TO THAT AND THAT WOULD BE A PROPOSED FIVE FOOT REDUCTION TO THE MINIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 25 FEET. UM, SO THAT, UM, IS BUILT INTO THE PROPOSED FLYING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, UM, THAT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WAS TO UPDATE THE PARKING STANDARDS BASED UPON THE NEW USES THAT WERE ADDED. SO ONCE AGAIN, THESE, ALL OF THESE PROPOSED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANIMAL GROOMING SERVICES, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WERE BROUGHT FORWARD INTO THE PD FROM THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM, SO THESE ARE ALL, THESE ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ADOPTED AND ANIMAL GROOMING SERVICES WAS PROPOSED TO BE SET AT A, UM, RATIO OF ONE SPACE PER 500 SQUARE FEET, WHICH STAFF FEELS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE, UM, INTENT OF THAT SERVICE IS PRIMARILY PICK UP AND DROP OFF. UM, JUST A COUPLE, THERE'S A COUPLE SLIDES THROUGHOUT HERE. UM, THE PRESENTATION OF ITEMS THAT CAME UP DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING THAT I WANTED TO REFERENCE, AS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ON THEM AS WELL. UM, THE RETAIL, UM, HARD RETAIL CORNER ENCOMPASSES TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE SPECULATIVE. THERE'S NO, UM, TENANTS THAT ARE PROPOSED RIGHT AT THIS TIME. AND THE NORTHERN BUILDING IS ANTICIPATED TO BE ONE TENANT. THE SOUTHERN BUILDING CONTEMPLATES UP TO THREE TENANTS WITHIN THAT SPACE. UM, HOWEVER MENTIONED THAT COULD CHANGE. THERE IS A PROPOSED 3000 SQUARE FOOT PATIO BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE PATIO SPACE TO TWO SUITES AND SOME COMMON AREA AS WELL. UM, THEN I ALSO MENTIONED IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH, UM, IS A SHARED, UM, SOLID WASTE COMPACTOR, UH, THAT WILL BE FOR THESE TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS ON PHASE TWO OF THIS SITE. UM, BEFORE YOU ARE A COUPLE OF, OF, UM, FACADE PLANS OF BOTH THE RETAIL BUILDINGS, UM, THAT SHOWS WHAT IT PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. UM, THIS IS THE SOUTHERNMOST BUILDING OF THE TWO. SO YOU'LL SEE IT'S A LITTLE BIT TALLER. IT HAS SOME CLEAR STORY WINDOWS, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST FROM MIDWAY ROAD. AND THIS IS THE, UM, SLIGHTLY SMALLER NORTHERNMOST BUILDING. UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS BUILDING IS INTEN IS INTENDED TO LIKELY SERVE ONE TENANT, UM, ONCE AGAIN HAS SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST VIA, UM, CANOPIES AND SO FORTH. BOTH BUILDINGS, UH, MAINTAIN A, UM, THE 90 PLUS PERCENT MASONRY COVERAGE FOR THE PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIAL RELATED TO THE PARKING AND LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE. THIS IS ALL CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. THAT WAS, UM, YOU MOST RECENTLY SAW LAST FALL. UM, THERE WERE SOME VERY MINOR ADJUSTMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF TREES THAT SHIFTED, UM, RELOCATED DUE TO PROPOSED SIGN LOCATIONS, UM, THAT WERE, UM, CONTEMPLATED. BUT THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING OR THE AMOUNT, NUMBER OF TREES AS AN EXAMPLE ON THE SITE. UH, ONE OTHER, UH, QUESTION THAT CAME UP DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS COMPLIANCE WITH OUR PARKING STANDARDS RELATED TO EV CHARGING STATIONS AS WELL AS BICYCLE PARKING. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS, UM, PROJECT CAME BEFORE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. HOWEVER, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE NEW STANDARDS, UH, IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, AM EMILY HAS [04:40:01] HAD ALREADY AGREED TO AND PROPOSED TO EXCEED BOTH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EV CHARGERS AND BICYCLE PARKING, UM, ON SITE. UH, SO THEY WILL EXCEED OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT STAFF PROVIDED NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE, UH, WHICH INCLUDED 47 RECIPIENTS. AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES TO THE REQUEST AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AS WELL. AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST BACK AT THEIR DECEMBER 16TH MEETING. UM, AND TOWN STAFF DID REVIEW THIS PROPOSAL AND HAS DETERMINED IT CAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, UM, NEARLY ALL OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS RELATED TO THE M TWO AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN DEVELOPMENT. UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PRESENT AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, LESLIE. DARREN, A QUESTION. SO, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED FROM THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE SAW LAST, EXCEPT FOR SOME TREES MOVED AROUND FOR SIGNAGE. UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS NOT CHANGED THE BUILDING SIZES. OKAY. UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 15? UH, NOPE. MY 15, UH, WHAT WOULD YOURS BE? I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT THAT FROM. UM, YES, THE EV SLIDE, SLIDE 12 MAYBE AT SLIDE. I SAW, I SAW 38 1. UM, SO WHERE ARE THOSE EV ARE THEY ON THESE TWO RETAIL SITES OR IS THAT FOR THE WHOLE TREE HOUSE? THAT'S FOR ALL OF PHASE TWO, SO YEAH. SO THIS STANDARD IS PER LOT, UM, FOR, SO THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE, THEY WILL BE THROUGHOUT THE SITE. OKAY. OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY IF THEY'RE WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING THEM HAVE 15 EV CHARGING STATION, THAT IS REALLY . SO THE, JUST FOR ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, IT'S HOW IT'S DRAFTED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT'S FOR PARKING LOTS THAT EXCEED 40 PARKING SPACES. AND SO THE RETAIL ALONE, UM, LIKELY WOULD HIT THAT TRIGGER, BUT UM, THE ENTIRE SITE OBVIOUSLY EXCEEDS THAT, SO. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANKS. YEAH, DAN. THANK YOU LESLIE. QUICK QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. UH, IN BETWEEN TREEHOUSE ONE AND TREEHOUSE TWO, THERE'S AN OLD FORMER, UM, CALL IT NOT POLE SIGN, BUT THERE'S A, THE, THE RELICS OF WHAT USED TO BE THE SIGNAGE FOR JS, THE CLEANERS MM-HMM . CORRECT. THE MULTI-TENANT SIGN, THE MULTI THANK YOU MULTI-TENANT SIGN. IS THAT THE INTENDED USE FOR THESE NEW TENANTS TO POTENTIALLY JUST TO DO WHAT WE DID AT, UM, REPURPOSE IT, LET'S CALL IT. SO AMWAYS, UM, HAS EXPRESSED TO ME AN INTENT TO DO A MASTER SIGN PLAN AND CREATE A SIGN PACKAGE, UM, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. THAT WOULD, WHAT THAT WOULD DO WOULD BRING FORWARD A VERY COHESIVE SIGN DESIGN FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SIGNS STRATEGICALLY THROUGHOUT THE SITE. UM, THAT PROCESS ACTUALLY WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, EXCHANGING SOME EMAILS ABOUT THAT TODAY. THAT WOULD BE A PROCESS THAT WE WOULD, UM, LIKELY KICK OFF IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. BUT WHAT WE DID ON THIS PLAN, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF THE LAST SEGMENT. SO WE DID OBVIOUSLY ALL THE, THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE RENTAL TOWN HOMES. WE SAW THE FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES LAST FALL, AND THE, THE RETAIL WAS REALLY THE LAST THING. UM, IF THIS IS APPROVED THIS EVENING, UM, THEY'RE GEARED UP TO GET BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED FOR THAT IN FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME, UM, NEXT MONTH. SO THE NEXT, THE KIND OF THE FINAL STEP PRIOR TO FINISHING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE TO FINISH ALL THE SIGN, UM, PLANS. AND SO WHAT WE DID WITH THIS PLAN TO GEAR UP FOR THAT WAS STRATEGICALLY LOOK AT WHERE ARE THOSE SIGNS GOING TO GO. BUT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE YET. UM, THAT'S FORTHCOMING. BUT, BUT, BUT, SORRY, I TO ANSWER YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, SORRY, I SKIPPED OVER THAT. ALL GOOD. UM, AM EMILY HAS EXPRESSED THAT THEY DO NOT INTEND TO REUSE THAT SIGN, BUT IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY REPLACED BY SOMETHING ELSE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN. OKAY. SO BACK TO BACK TO MONUMENT, NOT POLE SIGNS, POTENTIALLY WE HAVE NOT WORKED THAT OUT, BUT I WILL DEFER TO AM EMILY AS, AS THEIR DESIGN INTENT FOR THAT. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING. MAYOR, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. YES. OH, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I'M SORRY. YES IT IS. SORRY, LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE. JUST A QUESTION. UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, HAD SOME PRETTY DISMAL NEWS ON THERE FOR THE, UM, RETAIL PROSPECTS. IS THAT LOOKING BETTER? I DUNNO IF ANYBODY ELSE SAW THAT SLIDE. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL, MAYOR, STAFF ROBERT LAP, VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT ADDRESS, 50 57 KELLER SPRINGS, ADDISON. YOU'VE GOT, UH, TAYLOR, OUR PRESIDENT, CEO OF OUR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY HERE, ALONG [04:45:01] WITH THE DIRECTOR OF RETAIL LEASING, SARAH OWENS. OKAY, SO IT'S, UH, I HAVE PAGE 11 NEXT. I, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S DESCRIBING IT, BUT THE NEXT ONE YOU HAVE ON YOUR RETAIL PROSPECTS IS PRETTY MUCH MANY OF 'EM ARE LIKE, PAST, PAST, PAST. SO ANY, ANY UPDATE TO THAT? I THINK A GOOD PLACE TO START WOULD BE JUST ON THE OVERALL TIMELINE, DARREN, JUST TO GIVE YOU A CONTEXT OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE STARTED THE PROCESS. UH, LET'S SEE HERE. GOING BACK TO THE TIMELINE. SO BACK IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER 24, AS SOON AS WE CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY, WE WENT TO WORK. WE WENT TO GO, WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCEDURAL PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING RETAIL BROKERS, CBRE, RETAIL STREET ADVISORS, AND THEN SHOP COMPANIES. UH, SARAH, OUR DIRECTOR OF RETAIL LEASING, HELPED SPEAR THAT, THAT PROCESS. WE LANDED ON SHOP COMPANIES TO HELP MARKET THE PROPERTY. WE IMMEDIATELY WENT TO WORK. WE HAD CONCEPTUAL KIND OF RENDERINGS IN PLACE TO HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT THE MARKET WANTED. UH, SO WE'VE REALLY BEEN MARKETING THE PROPERTY OVER THE LAST YEAR PLUS NOW RECENTLY IN THE THIRD QUARTER, FOURTH QUARTER, 25, WE DID GET SOME INTEREST FROM A FEW TENANTS. WE DID GET TWO SIGNED LOIS ONE IS WITH AQUA, WHO HAS AN EXISTING UNIT IN KELLER. I'VE BEEN INTO THE RESTAURANT. HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO. IT'S, IT'S GREAT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. UH, WE THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT SPACE FOR THEM. HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL KIND OF IN THAT EARLY STAGE NEGOTIATION. IN ADDITION, WE ALSO HAD ASSIGNED LOI WITH A GROUP NAMED TULE. THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT UNITS ACROSS THE METROPLEX. IT'S A FRANCHISE, THEY'RE WELL KNOWN, GREAT AREAS OF TOWN. THERE'S ONE IN COLLEYVILLE, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE IN SOME PART OF NORTH DALLAS AS WELL. UH, THERE'S A LOCAL OPERATOR THAT WOULD LIKE TO RUN THAT FRANCHISE. UH, WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO MOVE TOWARDS A LEASE. SO WE CONTINUE, UH, TO TURN OVER EVERY STONE WITH EVERY TYPE OF TENANT. THIS PRO PROSPECT LIST IS HERE JUST TO SHOW EFFORT. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF EFFORT. YEAH, YEAH, CERTAINLY. SO I JUST, ROBERT, FOR CLARIFICATION OF THOSE TWO, LOIS, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE NAME? UH, YES, AQUA AND TO LUR, T-O-U-S-L-E-J-O-U-R. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE THIS PRESENTATION? YES, THEY SENT IT OUT TODAY. OH, TODAY I'M NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE EFFORT. THANKS FOR UPDATE. GO GET A GOOD ONE, SIR. GOOD. TWO. OKAY, GOOD. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM. AND IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO DO SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOW WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A MOTION. SECOND FOR THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. ALRIGHT. ITEMS FIVE A IS APPROVED. ALRIGHT, ITEM [a. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance authorizing the issuance of Town of Addison, Texas, Public Property Finance Contractual Obligations, Series 2026; in an approximate aggregate principal amount of $3,385,000; levying a tax in payment thereof; approving the sale thereof; approving the official statement; enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and declaring and effective date.] SIX A PRESENT DISCUSS AND CONSIDERATION ON AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF TOWN OF ADDISON, TEXAS PUBLIC PROPERTY FINANCE, CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS SERIES 2026 IN AN APPROXIMATE AGGREGATE PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF $3,385,000, LEVYING A TAX AND PAYMENT THEREOF, APPROVING THE SALE THEREOF, APPROVING THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT AND ACTING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE SUBJECT AND DECLARING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. STEVEN. GREAT. THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND MAYOR, IF YOU WANNA READ THE NEXT ITEM INTO, UH, AS WELL, WE CAN GO OVER BOTH AT THE SAME TIME AND SPEAK TO BOTH, AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM SIX B, [b. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance authorizing the issuance of Town of Addison, Texas, General Obligation Refunding Bonds, Series 2026 in the approximate aggregate principal amount of $19,940,000; awarding the sale thereof; levying a tax, and providing for the security and payment of said bonds; authorizing the execution and delivery of a paying agent / registrar agreement; approving the Official Statement; enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and declaring an effective date.] PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF TOWN OF ADDISON, TEXAS GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS SERIES 2026 IN THE APPROXIMATE AGGREGATE PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF $19,940,000, AWARDING THE SALE THEREOF, LIVING ATTACKS AND PROVIDING FOR THE SECURITY AND PAYMENT OF SAID BONDS, AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF A PAYING AGENT SLASH REGISTRAR AGREEMENT, APPROVING THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT AND ACTING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE SUBJECT AND DECLARING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANKS, STEVEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AGAIN, STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. SO BEFORE YOU, THERE'S TWO ORDINANCES, UH, THE, UH, APPROVAL, UH, UH, FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING. THE 2026, UH, PPC COS, WHICH ARE, UM, PUBLIC PROPERTY FINANCE, UH, UM, UH, OBLIGATIONS. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, GEO REFUNDING BONDS, UH, WHICH WILL, UH, WERE, UH, FOR SALE FOR INTEREST SAVINGS. SO, UM, IF YOU [04:50:01] REMEMBER, WE DISCUSSED THIS, AND I'LL GO OVER KIND OF THE TIMELINE HOW WE GOT HERE. BUT THE, UH, THE COS THAT, UH, WERE DISCUSSED, UH, THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS, UH, WERE FOR, UH, THE SCHEDULED REPLACEMENT OF QUINT 1 0 2 THAT WAS PUSHED IN, UH, OVER THE WEEKEND FOR $2 MILLION, AND THEN REPLACEMENT OF THE AIRPORT RESCUE AND FIREFIGHTING APPARATUS THAT'S FUNDED BY THE AIRPORT AT $1.5 MILLION. UH, SO THIS EQUIPMENT IS WITH, IS IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET. AND THEN, UH, OUR GEO REFUNDING BONDS REFUNDS ARE 2014, UH, BONDS, AND THEN ALSO REFUNDS THE, UH, 2016 GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS, UH, TO, TO CREATE INTEREST SAVINGS. UM, WE'LL GO OVER THE RESULTS OF THE SALE, BUT, UH, THOSE WERE THOSE, UH, COMPETITIVE BIDS WERE RECEIVED. THIS, THIS MORNING. UH, AND RESULTS, UM, UH, WILL BE PRESENTED, UH, LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. UH, SO HOW WE GOT HERE. SO JULY 1ST, UH, WE PRESENTED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, TO COUNCIL DURING THE WORK SESSION THAT INCLUDED, UH, BOTH OF THESE POTENTIAL ITEMS, THE PURCHASE OF THE, UH, TWO FIRE APPARATUS WITH COS AND THEN, UH, THE POTENTIAL REFUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME. UH, SEPTEMBER 9TH, UH, COUNCIL APPROVED THE BUDGET THAT THAT INCLUDES THE, UH, TWO FIRE APPARATUS IN IT. UH, COUNSEL ACTUALLY APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF THE FIRST ONE ON OCTOBER 14TH. UH, THEN WE BROUGHT A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION FOR THE $2 MILLION, UH, TO COUNSEL THAT WAS APPROVED ON THE 28TH. AND THEN WE ALSO UPDATED COUNSEL ON OUR PLAN AT THAT TIME, UH, AND PRESENTED, UH, A TIMELINE FOR THE ISSUANCE, UH, GOING FORWARD. SO, UH, THAT TIMELINE INCLUDED, UH, UH, THE PREPARATION OF THE, UH, PRELIMINARY OFFICIAL STATEMENT IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. UH, DECEMBER 8TH. WE HAD RATINGS CALLS, UH, RECEIVED THOSE RATINGS AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY. AND MOODY'S AND S AND P BOTH REAFFIRMED ADDISON'S AAA RATING. UH, ADDISON REMAINS ONE OF, UH, 11 TEXAS CITIES, UH, WITH AAA RATINGS FROM BOTH ENTITIES. UH, WE GOT THOSE RATINGS, I INCLUDED THEM IN THE OFFICIAL STATEMENTS, WHICH WERE DISTRIBUTED TO POTENTIAL PURCHASERS ON JANUARY 5TH. AND THEN THAT BRINGS US TODAY. SO THIS MORNING AT 10 AND 10:30 AM UH, WE HAD COMPETITIVE SALES, UH, FOR BOTH BOND ISSUANCES. AND THEN WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING WITH THE ORDINANCE, UH, FINALLY AUTHORIZING THE SALE. AND IF APPROVED, WE WOULD RECEIVE THE PROCEEDS ON FEBRUARY 10TH. SO WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, BEFORE YOU HAVE A SALE BOOK, AND I'LL HAVE NICK ASH, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR WITH HILLTOP COME UP AND HE'LL GO OVER THE RESULTS OF THE SALE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE JULIE PARTAIN, UH, OUR BOND COUNCIL HERE AS WELL. BUT, AND I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. SO, SHOULD WE LET HIM DO HIS PRESENTATION BEFORE WE DO QUESTIONS? UH, YOU CAN ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT, OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW OR, YEAH, I JUST, I'M GUESSING NICK'S GONNA KNOCK OUT SOME OF MINE. UH, OKAY. YEAH, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE HEAR FROM NICK? YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARLON. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. NICK ASH FROM HILLTOP SECURITIES, THE TOWN'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR. UM, 7 7 7 MAIN STREET FOR WORTH TEXAS, UM, BEFORE YOU IS A CELL BOOK AND IT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL. AND, UM, AND STEVEN DID A GREAT JOB SUMMARIZING, UH, THE SALE TODAY. JUST TO KINDA WALK THROUGH THIS, UH, THE COVER PAGE, THE FINAL PAR AMOUNTS. I KNOW THE AGENDA LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE, UH, THESE, UM, THE PURCHASERS BID WITH MORE PREMIUMS. SO FINAL PARAMOUNT OF THE PUBLIC PROPERTY FINANCE, CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, 3,230,000 GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS, 19,000,225, UH, BEHIND, UH, TAB ONE. THESE ARE THE RATING REPORTS THAT, UH, STEVEN ALLUDED TO. WE DID HAVE THOSE RATING CALLS. THE RATINGS WERE AFFIRMED, UH, AAA BY BOTH, UH, RATING HOUSES. THEY, I'LL LET YOU READ THE REPORTS AT YOUR LEISURE. THEY, THEY GO ABOUT IT DIFFERENT WAYS, DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES, BUT THEY COME BACK TO PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE RATINGS. UH, THE TOWN HAS BEEN AAA BY MOODY SINCE 2018, AND AAA BY SMP SINCE 2008. VERY STRONG MANAGEMENT, EXPANDING TAX BASE SOUND, FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE AND RESERVES. UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS CAME UP DURING THE WORK SESSION ON THE, UM, THE POTENTIAL BOND ELECTION THAT WAS DISCLOSED TO THE RATING HOUSES AS WELL. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN THE MOODY'S REPORT, THEY SAID, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, A COST BETWEEN 50 TO 60 MILLION WOULD NOT MATERIALLY ALTER THE TOWN'S DEBT RATIO GIVEN ITS GROWING TAX BASE AND OPERATING REVENUE. I'LL JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT QUESTION CAME UP DURING THE, THE WORK SESSION. UM, BEHIND TAB TWO, THESE ARE THE TABULATIONS OF THE BIDS RECEIVED FOR THE, THE PPF CS, UH, EIGHT BIDS. UH, THE FINAL OR THE WINNING BID WAS FIDELITY CAPITAL [04:55:01] MARKETS 2.649. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK RIGHT BEHIND THAT PAGE, THIS IS THE FINAL DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE. NOW, I'M GONNA SAY THIS, AND THIS, YOU MAY RECALL FROM THE LAST TIME WE SOLD, UH, DEBT. THESE BONDS ARE PURCHASED AT A PREMIUM MORE THAN A HUNDRED PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR. SO YOU'RE ONLY SELLING, YOU'RE SELLING $3,230,000 OF PRINCIPAL. BUT THIS IS FUNDING $3.5 MILLION OF PROCEEDS BECAUSE AGAIN, THE BOND INVESTORS ARE PAYING MORE THAN A HUNDRED PENNIES ON A DOLLAR. THEY'RE BUYING THEM AS PREMIUM BONDS. SO WHEN YOU FACTOR INTO THAT PREMIUM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, ON THIS PAGE, UH, FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE TOTAL P AND I IS ABOUT $400,000 A YEAR. I THINK WE BUDGETED ABOUT 415,000. UH, THE MARKET WAS, WAS FAR BETTER, UH, THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED. UH, TURNING, FLIPPING TO TAB THREE, THIS IS THE BIDS RECEIVED FOR THE GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS. YOU RECEIVED 10 BIDS. WINNING BID WAS JEFFRIES, UH, LLC. AND, UH, TURNING RIGHT BEHIND THAT PAGE, VERY SIMILAR FINAL DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE FOR THE GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS. YOU CAN SEE IN THIS SITUATION, UH, THE LINES BELOW THAT YOU RECEIVED CASH PREMIUM OF $1.7 MILLION. SO WE DOWNSIZE THE ISSUE BY $1.7 MILLION 'CAUSE THEY'RE PAYING PREMIUM FOR THE BONDS. UM, IT'S NOT FREE MONEY. YOU'RE STILL REPORTING THAT ON YOUR BALANCE SHEET AS A LIABILITY THAT'S AMORTIZED OVER TIME. BUT, UM, NONETHELESS, IT, IT DOES, UH, UH, REDUCE YOUR DEBT PROFILE AND YOUR DEBT LEVERAGE RATIOS. BUT I DID WANNA JUST QUANTIFY THE SAVINGS ON THE REFUNDING. IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE, THIS IS THE DEBT SERVICE COMPARISON. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE COLUMNS, THE NEW 2026 DEBT SERVICE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, UH, CONSIDERING TODAY. THE OLD REFUNDED DEBT SERVICE. THESE ARE THE BOND ISSUES THAT WE'RE REFINANCING, SO TO SPEAK. WE'RE NOT EXTENDING THE FINAL TERM. WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THE ORIGINAL PAYBACK STRUCTURE. UM, DELIVERY DATE TRANSFERS THAT THE TOWN IS GOING TO BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR YOUR, THESE PROPERTY TAXES THAT PAY THIS DEBT SERVICE SAVINGS AND FISCAL 2026 DOES THE TOWN NO GOOD. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE TOWN'S TAKING THOSE SAVINGS, DOWNSIZING THE BOND ISSUE FURTHER, UM, SAVINGS ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE, ABOUT $200,000 A YEAR, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF ABOUT $1.64 MILLION. UH, PRESENT VALUE ANALYSIS, UM, YOU SEE THAT RATIO THAT SHOWS 7% OF THE PRESENT VALUE DOLLARS, UM, BY THE REFUNDED PRINCIPLE, THIS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU, BUT JUST FOR GFOA, UH, TYPICALLY PUTS OUT A, A PUBLICATION THAT SAYS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER A REFUNDING IF YOU'RE, IF THAT PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS PERCENTAGE IS GREATER THAN 3%. SO WE'RE MORE THAN DOUBLE, UH, KIND OF THE INDUSTRY GUIDELINE BENCHMARK. THEN DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT PAGE, THESE ARE THE BONDS THAT WE'RE REFINANCING. UM, 2014 GEOS, 2014 COS AND THE 2016 GEO REFUNDINGS. I, I'VE LISTED OUT THE MATURITY VALUE, THE COUPON RATES OF EACH ONE OF THOSE. AND, AND I ALSO SUMMARIZE AT THE VERY BOTTOM, THE AVERAGE COUPON RATE OF ALL THOSE BONDS IS ABOUT 4.355%. AND WE'RE REPLACING THAT DEBT WITH 2.46%. SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT SAVINGS IS GENERATED. IT'S STRICTLY JUST TO REFINANCING. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, BEHIND TAB FOUR, AND I KNOW I'M GOING QUICKLY, SO PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS JUST A HISTORICAL SALE INFORMATION FOR ALL OF THE TOWN'S DEBT OBLIGATIONS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT I REALLY WANNA FOCUS IN ON IS THAT, UM, THE TOWN HAS SOME INCREDIBLY LOW INTEREST RATE DEBT. UM, ESPECIALLY THE TOWN TOOK ADVANTAGE OF DURING THE COVID ERA WHEN RATES WERE INCREDIBLY LOW. YOU CAN SEE MANY REFINANCINGS THAT WERE, THAT HAPPENED SUB 2%. AND SO, UM, I JUST, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING AND YOU KNOW, I, IN THE FINANCE WORLD AND FROM A FINANCIAL ADVISOR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S SOMETHING TO BE VERY PROUD OF THE SUCH A LOW INTEREST RATE DEBT THAT THE TOWN CARRIES. AND I'M SORRY I WENT VERY QUICKLY. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT FOR YOU ALL AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, I JUST WANT TO COMMUNICATE THAT THE SALE RESULTS WERE FAR BETTER THAN PROJECTED, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT WAS BETTER THAN AND CONTINUES TO IMPROVE IN THE, ESPECIALLY IN THE MUNICIPAL INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU NICK. AND, UH, RANDY, I'M SORRY I MISSED YOUR LIGHT EARLIER. IT'S OKAY. OKAY. DO YOU STILL HAVE ANYTHING OR? I DO. OKAY. IT IS A VERY QUICK, EASY QUESTION FOR MR. GLICKMAN. OKAY. MR. GLICKMAN, YOU MENTIONED THE FIRE ENGINES A COUPLE TIMES THAT WE HAD APPROVED AND, AND IN THOSE BONDS, WERE WE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE AIRPORT TO HELP US WITH THOSE? YEAH. SO, SO TONIGHT YOU'RE JUST CONSIDERING THE APPROVAL, SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY [05:00:01] REPAYING ANYTHING YET. UM, WE, WE WOULD, UH, WHEN WE GO OUT AND WE ARE, WE'RE DOING OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BASICALLY EVALUATE HOW MANY CALLS HAPPEN ON AIRPORT PROPERTY VERSUS THE REST OF THE TOWN. AND WE CAN ALLOCATE THAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT USAGE OF THAT VEHICLE TO THE AIRPORT. SO, SO YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE WILL ALLOCATE SOME OF, UH, THE REPAYMENT TO THE AIRPORT. YOU KNOW, IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WORLD, WE DON'T GET PAID ON WHAT WE DO. WE GET PAID ON THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT WE COULD DO. RIGHT. AND THE POTENTIAL IS THERE EVERY DAY TO USE THAT ENGINE. SURE. ALRIGHT, KEEP THAT IN MIND PLEASE. AND I TOOK NO OFFENSE, AND YOU'VE DONE NOT SITTING IN MY LIGHT . THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MARLON. YEAH, MAYOR, I'M GONNA GO REAL QUICK. I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR NICK IF I COULD. SO, UM, I DON'T WANNA ASSUME ANYTHING, BUT WE WE'RE GONNA GO WITH FIDELITY CAPITAL MARKETS, IS THAT RIGHT? AND JEFFRIES, LLC? UH, YES SIR. THE, THEY PROVIDED THE LOWEST INTEREST RATES. OKAY. AND, UM, IT'S A BUMMER FOR B. OKAY. 'CAUSE THEY, THEY JUST CAME IN SECOND FOR BOTH, BUT, UM, GOT IT. AND SO, AND ALSO, UM, MAYBE I'VE ASKED THIS BEFORE, BUT I FORGET THE ANSWER, UH, ON THESE PAYMENTS, THEY'RE JUST ONE, ONE TIME ANNUALLY. THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE A MONTHLY PAYMENT, IT'S JUST ONE ANNUALLY. AND, AND I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SPECIFY. THERE'S, I I SUMMARIZED IT FOR PRESENTATION PURPOSES BASED ON YOUR FISCAL YEAR INTEREST IS PAID TWICE A YEAR AND PRINCIPAL'S PAID ONCE A YEAR. BUT I, WHAT I DID WAS I JUST CON CONDENSED THE PAYMENTS TO SHOW A FISCAL YEAR SUMMARY. OKAY. OKAY. AND SO, UH, MAYBE THIS IS, UH, WHOMEVER CAN ANSWER IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE, WE WENT TO, TO GET THESE BONDS AND, AND WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT SAVE, UH, 1,250,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE ENDED UP WITH SAVING 1,000,400, ALMOST 62,000. I THINK ACTUALLY WHEN I PRESENTED THIS IN, IN, IN JULY, UH, NICK HAD ESTIMATED ABOUT 400,000. UM, THEN WHEN I PRESENTED IN OCTOBER, WE WERE ESTIMATING, UH, ABOUT 1.1 MILLION, I THINK. OKAY. UM, SO THIS IS FAR BETTER THAN THIS THING JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. IT'S GETTING BETTER. YES. YEAH. THANK YOU. JUST QUICK QUESTION FROM BACK FROM RANDY'S COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT THE $55 POTENTIAL BOND ELECTION AND THE TOTAL TOWN'S DEBT OF 150, 160 THOU $160 MILLION. IS THAT I UNDERSTAND WHERE UNDER 3% IS THE INTEREST ON THAT DEBT ISH? ISH. ISH. YES, SIR. THAT'S AMAZING. THANK YOU. CHRIS, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. SO THE SAVINGS COME FROM SOME, SOMEONE PAID A PREMIUM FOR THAT DEBT? WE DO, WE SUBTRACT THE PREMIUM FROM THE OUTSTANDING BALANCE, OR DID THE SAVINGS COME FROM JUST A LOWER RATE? THE, THE SAVINGS ON THE REFINANCING CAME FROM A LOWER RATE. AND THEN WHERE DO YOU SEE RATES HEADED RIGHT NOW IN THIS ENVIRONMENT? WELL, , WE'VE, SINCE NOVEMBER THEY, AND I'M IN THIS LITTLE MUNICIPAL MARKET WORLD, UM, WE'VE SEEN, UH, THE MUNICIPAL MARKET RATES COME DOWN. A LOT OF THAT IS, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IN THE SHORT END INSIDE 10 YEARS, WHICH IS WHERE THE TOWN'S DEBT WAS TONIGHT THAT WE, THAT WAS SOLD, IT WAS THE SWEET SPOT. I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN THE BIGGEST, UH, DECREASE THERE. I, YOU KNOW, FROM A MACRO PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A LOT OF CROSS CURRENT, SO TO SPEAK. UM, INFORMATION THAT'S TOUGH. YOU KNOW, YOU SEE SOMETHING ABOUT THE FED CHAIRMAN, YOU HEAR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT THEN THE INFLATION REPORT THAT CAME OUT TODAY WAS VERY FAVORABLE. SO I, I SEE RATES COMING DOWN. UM, TO BE HONEST, IN THE MUNICIPAL MARKET, WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THERE'S MORE DOLLARS THAN BONDS AVAILABLE TO BUY. SO WE HAVE THE SUPPLY DEMAND IN FLUX. AND SO THE TOWN HIT IT AT A VERY OPPORTUNE TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. OKAY, VERY GOOD. UH, IS, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR SIX A MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND MARLAND AND DAN FOR THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. SIX A IS APPROVED. IS THERE A MOTION FOR SIX B? I MOVE TO APPROVE SIX B SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. ITEM SIX B IS APPROVED. THANK YOU, STEVEN. THANK YOU NICK. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON [c. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance to amend the Town's annual budget for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2026.] TO ITEM SIX C. PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE TOWN'S ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026. STEVEN. GREAT. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, AND, UH, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS IN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE BUDGET, UH, BASED ON THE DIRECTION TO, UM, CANCEL THE, THE TASTE ADDISON EVENT, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. UM, SO JUST A REMINDER OF OUR BUDGET AMENDMENT PROCESS. SO REGULAR AMENDMENTS ARE AN ACCEPTED PRACTICE. IT JUST MEANS THAT WE'RE MONITORING, MONITORING, MONITORING AND MANAGING OUR FISCAL AFFAIRS. UH, THE TOWN'S BUDGET AMENDMENT POLICY IS TRANSFERS BETWEEN ACCOUNTS AND A DEPARTMENT CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CFO MYSELF. UH, TRANSFERS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS OF LESS THAN 5%, [05:05:01] UH, CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER. AND THEN TRANSFERS BETWEEN FUNDS ARE MORE THAN A 5% CHANGE MUST BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, SO THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, INCLUDES, UH, WITHIN THE HOTEL FUND A REDUCTION OF SERVICE FEE REVENUE, UH, RELATED TO, UH, WHAT WAS IN THE, THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR TASTE ADDISON. UH, THEN ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, A REDUCTION IN PERSONNEL SERVICES, $91,400, AND THEN A REDUCTION IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES OF $99,000. SO THE TOTAL'S THERE FOR THE HOTEL. I'M SORRY, 999,000? YES. SORRY. UM, OVERALL THE HOTEL FUND, IT'S A REDUCTION IN EXPENDITURES OF 1,090,400 AND REDUCTION IN REVENUE OF 625,000. UH, SO A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE FUND BALANCE OF $465,400. UM, SO, AND ONE OF THE REASONS, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY WHY, UH, WE'RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS WELL, IS, UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL CONTRACTS RELATED TO, UH, ANY, ANY OF OUR EVENTS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE APPROPRIATIONS CLAUSES. SO IF THE FUNDS AREN'T APPROPRIATED FOR, UH, A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, THEN THE TOWN HAS NO OBLIGATION TO CONTINUE THOSE CONTRACTS AS ARE. UM, SO ANY EVENTS THAT MAY BE REQUESTED OR APPROVED BY COUNSEL, UH, AT A LATER DATE, WE WOULD BRING A SUBSEQUENT BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, TO FUND THOSE, UH, APPROPRIATELY BASED ON THAT DIRECTION. SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, STEVEN. RANDY, THANK YOU. UH, WILL ANY OF THIS REBATE OR SAVINGS, UH, BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND WHERE WE CAN POSSIBLY LOWER THE, UH, PROPERTY TAX RATE? TH THIS IS NOT, THIS IS JUST HOTEL FUND. UM, SO THESE FUNDS ARE STILL RESTRICTED FOR A TOURISM PURPOSE. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING REALLY RELATED TO BRINGING FOLKS IN THAT DON'T LIVE HERE AND GETTING THEM TO STAY IN OUR HOTELS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ANSWER, BUT YOU CAN'T BLAME YOU FOR, FOR ASKING. I'M SORRY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE SIX C? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU DAN AND CHRIS FOR THE SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. ALRIGHT. THAT MOTION IS APPROVED. SIX TO ONE. ALRIGHT, [7. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.] WE'RE ON OUR FINAL ITEM, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO EXPRESS ANY, UM, EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONDOLENCE, CONGRATULATIONS, ET CETERA. MARLON, I SEE YOUR LIGHT ON. YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, SO MANY, MANY OF US KNOW WE, UH, CELEBRATED THE PUSH-IN CEREMONY AT FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO OF, OF QUINT, UH, 1 0 2. AND, UH, FOR THOSE OF US THAT WERE THERE, IT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY AMAZING, PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. AND, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO STOP BY, UH, FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO AND CHECK IT OUT. BUT IT IS, IT IS AWESOME. IT'S IMPRESSIVE. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, DAN, SORRY. I SAW THE, UH, THE LADDER FOR QUINT 1 0 2 UP BY THE WAY. OH, YOU DID? YEAH. IT'S, THAT'S A BIG LADDER. OH, YOU SAW IT UP. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. OH, YOU DIDN'T CLIMB UP IT? NO, IT'S, IT'S FAST TOO, BECAUSE I GOTTA GET IT UP AND DOWN FAST. YOU SHOULD CLIMB IT, YOU KNOW, I GET TROUBLE FOR THAT. ALRIGHT, GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT TWO QUICK THINGS. UH, ONE, OUR, UH, CHIEF OF STAFF, SARAH KLER, HAD HER BABY OVER THE WEEKEND, SO I WANTED TO, UH, CONGRATULATE HER ON THAT. THAT'S VERY EXCITING. SO, UH, SHE'LL BE ON MATERNITY LEAVE FOR A LITTLE BIT. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HER WHENEVER SHE'S READY TO COME BACK. AND I KNOW THE REST OF THE STAFF IS PICKING UP HER WORKLOAD, AND SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT. AND THE OTHER THING, UH, TODAY AT, UH, UH, ADDISON MIDDAY ROTARY CLUB, WE HAD A GUEST SPEAKER. WE HAD THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY, JOHN AU WAS OUR SPEAKER AND WAS A VERY INTERESTING, UH, PRESENTATION. HE, HE, HE PROBABLY SPOKE FOR GOOD 30 TO 40 MINUTES. GOOD, GREAT PRESENTATION. JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE DA, YOU KNOW, TAKING TIME OUTTA HIS DAY TO COME TO OUR ROTARY CLUB AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GOOD TURNOUT AND APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE RESNICKS, NICK AND EILEEN. UH, NICK NEIL. NEIL NEIL AND EILEEN . NICK WAS JUST HERE, NEIL AND EILEEN RESNICK FOR ARRANGING THAT, UH, FOR, UH, THE DA TO BE AT OUR ROTARY CLUB MEETING. SO ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, IT IS 9 44 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE EVENING. THANKS EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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