[1. Call Meeting to Order.]
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FIRST OF ALL, I WELCOME EVERYONE BACK.
I HOPE HAVE A, UH, HOLIDAY WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
UM, THIS MEETING PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT, MEETING, RESEARCH EVALUATION, UH, SIMILAR PROJECTS AND EVALUATION OF YOUR CURRENT FACILITY.
AND SO I, FEW MINUTES, BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD REACH POINT, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, MR. CHAIR, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED IF YOU'RE FINISHED? ARE YOU FINISHED? YEAH.
I, I WANTED TO THANK FIRST OF ALL THE, UH, THE CHIEF OF FARMERS BRANCH FOR HAVING US NOT ONLY ONCE, BUT TWICE AND FOR STAFF FOR SETTING UP ALL THE TOURS.
UH, GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME DOING THAT.
AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO, UM, TO HAVE ALL THIS, JUST THANK THE, THE POLICE.
IT WAS A RATHER CRAZY WEEK THIS WEEK FOR OUR FORCE, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU.
I WAS, UH, GONNA BASKETBALL PRACTICE AND I SAW TWO CARS FLY DOWN BELTLINE TO GO DEAL WITH A CAR ACCIDENT AND THEN SAW THE NEWS.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LETTING US GO ABOUT OUR LIVES WHILE YOU ALL ARE TAKING CARE OF US.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUORUM, WHICH IS A TERRIFIC, UM, I GUESS.
[a. Consider action on the Minutes from the December 4, 2025 Bond Advisory Committee Meeting.]
HAYES, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, I BELIEVE THE FIRST ITEM WOULD BE THE MINUTES UNDER THE REGULAR AGENDA APPROVAL.
SECOND, THOSE IN FAVOR? VERY GOOD.
[c. Present and discuss topics related to the purpose and charge of the Bond Advisory Committee, including but not limited to: Further review and discussion of Options B and C, including concepts, considerations, and preliminary cost estimates Address questions from the prior meeting and from the Committee.]
UM, AS I SHARED, I'M PASSION HAYES, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND I THINK WE ALL ARE AWARE THAT SARAH HAS STARTED HER MATERNITY LEAVE PROCESS.WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR SARAH AND ALL HER WORK IN GETTING US TO POINT.
AND SO I'M GONNA FILL IN FOR SARAH TONIGHT AND HELP FACILITATE TONIGHT'S MEETING.
I WOULD START AS SARAH DOES EACH MEETING JUST REMINDING THE COMMITTEE OF THEIR CHARGE, WHICH IS TO, UH, REVIEW AND ASSESS, UH, INFORMATION AND OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THE POLICE AND COURTS FACILITY.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT WILL NEED TO BE VOTED ON AND APPROVED BY A MAJORITY OF TONIGHT'S COMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE.
JUST AS BACKGROUND ON OUR PROCESS, TONIGHT IS OUR FINAL SCHEDULED COMMITTEE MEETING.
WE'VE HAD, UH, THREE MEETINGS.
AND SO TONIGHT THE GOAL IS TO FINALIZE WORK, THE GREAT WORK YOU'VE DONE, AND TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON THE AMOUNT AND WHETHER TO CALL A BOND ELECTION FOR MAY, 2026.
WE'RE SCHEDULED TO ACTUALLY TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THE NEXT TUESDAY, THE 13TH.
AND SO OUR CHAIR WILL KICK OFF THE CONVERSATION AS WE PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
AND ALL OF YOU ARE INVITED TO ATTEND, ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND THAT MEETING.
UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR SESSION WITH THE MEETING STARTING AT FOUR.
SO WE ANTICIPATE ITEM WILL AT FIVE 15.
SO HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN ATTEND CONVERSATION TUESDAY EVENING.
UH, WE HAVE LISTED OUT THE GOALS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT BEFORE
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WE ACTUALLY AGAIN, GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE COMMITTEE, WE WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE LAST MEETING.AND SO WE ARE GOING TO START WITH A BOND EDUCATION PORTION.
STEVEN GLICKMAN, OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, WILL COME UP AND WALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH YOU AS WELL AS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF OUR BOND.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF YOU TOUR THE FARMERS BRANCH MODEL PROJECT, AND THAT'S SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE COST OF THAT PROJECT COMPARED TO THE RENOVATION COST OF THE POLICE BUILDING HERE.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE BILL HOLLY BACK THERE, COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COST OF, UH, THE TOTAL PROJECT COST FROM SOME OF YOU WONDERING IF WE COULD, COULD GET TO A 55 MILLION MARK COMPARED TO THE 59 MILLION MARK.
AND SO WE ASKED OUR CONSULTANTS TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS AND BRING SOME OPTIONS TO US.
SO THEY'LL SHARE THOSE WITH US TONIGHT AS WELL.
AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO REALLY TALK THROUGH THE DISCUSSION AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION NEXT.
SO WITH THAT, THANKS GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
SO WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, BUT UM, AND WE DID HAVE IN THE PRESENTATION A COUPLE OF LINKS AS WELL, WHICH YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM.
THOSE ARE THE EDUCATION GUIDES THAT WE PROVIDED AT THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS IN IN 2012.
UM, SO, SO REALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WHEN AN ELECTION, WHEN A BOND ELECTION IS CALLED, UH, AT THAT POINT, THE TOWN CAN ONLY PROVIDE FACTUAL INFORMATION.
UM, SO THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS REMINDER THAT THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS COMMITTEE ONCE REALLY ONLY AFTER AN ELECTION IS CALLED THE TOWN CAN'T USE TOWN RESOURCES TO PROMOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, PASSAGE OR FAILURE OF, OF THIS MEASURE.
UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, WE CAN'T PUT OUT A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THEIR CURRENT FACILITY, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE THAT CASE, BUT IT MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED FACTUAL.
WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT POLICE STATION IS 29,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS A FACT.
UH, THE PROPOSED POLICE STATION IS 45,000 SQUARE FEET AS RECOMMENDED BY FACILITY, STUDIED PRE FACILITY STUDIES PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED BY THE TOWN.
SO THAT WOULD BE A FACTUAL STATEMENT.
SO, UM, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DELINEATION THERE, BUT, UM, AS OUR BOND ATTORNEY, UH, COMES FORWARD, IF, IF AN ELECTION IS ULTIMATELY CALLED BY, UH, THE TOWN COUNCIL, THAT THEY WILL EXPLAIN KIND OF WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO ONCE THAT, ONCE THAT ELECTION IS CALLED, AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO US NOW, BUT ONCE THAT ELECTION IS CALLED, IT'LL APPLY TO USING TOWN RESOURCES TO EITHER, UM, UH, PROMOTE OR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, GO AGAINST A MEASURE.
SO REALLY ONLY FACTUAL INFORMATION AT THAT POINT CAN BE PROVIDED.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD THIS PRESENTATION, BUT THIS IS THE, WHAT THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT REALLY ON THE BALLOT AT THE BOTTOM, UH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ONE, THIS IS A TAX INCREASE.
THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, BY THE STATE THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE THAT IN THERE.
SO IT'S GONNA SAY THIS IS A TAX INCREASE, AND THEN THE ISSUANCE OF WHATEVER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR DESIGN CONSTRUCTION ACQUISITION, IMPROVEMENT IN EQUIPMENT OF POLICE FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE ACQUISITION OF LAND.
SO BASICALLY, I THINK WE'VE TALKED, TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT IS ENCOMPASSING EVERYTHING THAT WOULD, THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACQUIRE LAND DESIGN CONSTRUCT AND EQUIP, UM, POLICE, UH, DEPARTMENT FACILITY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE, UH, WOULD LOOK LIKE IN SOME FORM WITH THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
UM, AND, UH, LET'S SEE UP AT THE TOP THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE WHAT THE, WHAT THE VOTERS SEE, THAT'S KIND OF GONNA GONNA BE WHAT'S THE ORDINANCE, UH, THAT WOULD GO FORWARD.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF BOND EDUCATION AND PROPOSITION LANGUAGE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THOSE TWO SLIDES.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE, YES, VERY GOOD.
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EVEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, QUICK QUESTION.WOULD, WOULD THIS COMMITTEE HAVE ANY INPUT ON THE PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT THE TOWN PUTS OUT? MAX, HUH? YEP.
THE COMMITTEE WOULDN'T BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED AT THAT TIME.
I MEAN, AFTER THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE TODAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE DISBANDED AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD.
I WOULD SAY AS WE GO THROUGH TODAY, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU THINK, IF THERE'S FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT YOU THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT, WE'RE WELCOME TO HEAR THAT, THAT WOULD HELP US AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO MAYBE THAT IF WE HEAR SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY HIT HOME WITH YOU OR SOME, OR SOME PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS RELEVANT, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIGHLIGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HEAR, BUT THE COMMITTEE WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IS WE WOULD BE DISBANDED, BUT IF THERE WERE SOME OF US THAT THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA AND OTHER PEOPLE, THEN YOU COULD SEEK FUNDING, PRIVATE FUNDING TO, TO A PACT TO PROMOTE BOND PROGRAM AND TELL THE STORY.
DID I TELL THAT RIGHT, DAVID? YES.
AND IN THAT, IN THAT CASE, YOU CAN PROMOTE IT.
YOU'RE NOT BOUND BY JUST SAYING, LIKE I SAID IN THE SECOND, YOU KNOW, BULLET POINT HERE, YOU KNOW, ONLY FACTUAL INFORMATION YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR, YOUR INPUT AND HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA PROMOTE IT AS, UM, AS, YES, WE'RE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT NEEDS THIS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, YOU CAN DO THAT, UM, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT YOU.
RIGHT? AND THIS REALLY APPLIES TO USE OF TOWN RESOURCES, THE FACTUAL INFORMATION THING.
SO IN THE VOTER GUIDE, UH, IT'S STRICTLY FACTS.
UM, A LOT OF THAT IS GONNA GO THROUGH OUR BOND ATTORNEY AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT LOOK NICE AND MAKE SURE IT'S APPEALING TO THE EYE, BUT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE RUN THROUGH OUR BOND ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FOLLOWING THE FACTUAL INFORMATION, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
MY ONLY, MY ONLY COMMENT, I'M, I'M JUST, JUST YOUR FIRST EXAMPLE STATEMENT IS I, TO ME, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, IT'S FACTUAL WHEN THE THING WAS BUILT OR THE CURRENT STATION AND AT THE TIME, HOW MANY, HOW MANY, UM, OFFICERS WERE INVOLVED IN, IN, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FORCE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY SAY IT IS A FACT.
THIS WAS BUILT IN 1983 OR FOUR, WHATEVER YEAR IT WAS.
AND YOU KNOW, IN 1983 OR 1984, ADDISON HAD 35 SWORN POLICE OFFICERS.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE VERIFIABLE FACTS.
IT CAN CERTAINLY BE INCLUDED WHENEVER, SORRY, MR.
UH, IF WE DON'T HAVE A PACT, BUT WE HAVE A HOA AND WE HAVE A ANNUAL MEETING OF THE HOA TWO MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD SIT ON THAT, ON THE HOA, UH, BOARD.
UM, CAN WE PROMOTE WITHOUT HAVING ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS? YES.
SO AFTER TODAY, ONCE YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON TUESDAY, THIS BOARD WILL NO LONGER EXIST.
SO YOU'RE JUST INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS.
YOU CAN MAKE ANY STATEMENT YOU LIKE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO STICK TO NECESSARILY THESE FACTUAL STUFF.
WE CAN SAY THEY NEED NO ROOM, RIGHT.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE MEETING HERE.
AND DID MS. LER SAY THAT AS LONG AS WE STATE THAT WE'RE JUST A CITIZEN AND NOT A PART OF THE COMMITTEE, THEN WE SHOULD BE OKAY? RIGHT? RIGHT.
EVEN, EVEN NOW TODAY ON THE, AS YOU'RE ON THE COMMITTEE, YOU STILL ARE NOT BOUND BY THAT.
SO AN ELECTION HAS NOT BEEN CALLED YET.
SO, UH, SO NONE OF THIS APPLIES UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION CALLS AND IT, AGAIN, ALL APPLIES TO USE OF TOWN RESOURCES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER COULD NOT COME HERE INDIVIDUALLY AND USE THE TOWNS BUILDINGS TO PROMOTE OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF MEETING AFTER AN ELECTIONS CALLED NOR COULD A STAFF MEMBER, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, SO, UM, THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS, THIS COMMITTEE OR YOU INDIVIDUALLY ONCE,
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UM, YOU KNOW, NOW OR AFTER AN ELECTIONS CALLED STEVEN, SOME OF OUR FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN'T HEAR THAT WELL.SO IF EVERYONE CAN MAKE AN EFFORT TO TURN THEIR MIC ON AND PULL THE MIC UP AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE, I THINK IT'LL HELP EVERYONE HERE.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON AUDIO TO REALLY PUSH IT OUT.
UH, IF STAFF, WHEN YOU COME UP, IF YOU COULD HELP REPEAT THE QUESTION, UH, THAT MAY HELP AS WELL.
SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY.
BUT ABOUT THE, THE BOND STUFF, WELL, ABOUT JUST, UM, THE, THE TWO SLIDES I WENT OVER THE BOND EDUCATION, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT BOND MORE, RIGHT? AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS, UH, WE HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I'LL, I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR, I'LL WAIT, I'LL WAIT.
UM, SO BILL HAWLEY, OUR DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICE, IS GONNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE, UH, FARMER'S BRANCH REMODEL UPDATE.
AND, UM, I'LL, AS AGAIN, I'LL BE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR ME.
UH, BILL HAWLEY, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES.
SO AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED A FEW TIMES, UH, THIS EVENING, THE FARMER'S BRANCH POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS KIND ENOUGH TO OFFER SEVERAL TOURS OF THEIR FACILITY.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS RELATED TO HOW THAT PROJECT IS DIFFERENT THAN PROPOSAL A ONE, WHICH WAS THE FIRST OF THE FIVE THAT YOU LOOKED AT FOR THE ADDISON POLICE BUILDING.
AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER RELATED QUESTIONS ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE ARE SOME BULLET POINTS, WHICH ARE REALLY SOME OF THE IN, IN WRITING, BUT IN LIKE THREE SLIDES WE HAVE A A, A TABLE THAT HAS LOTS OF THE NUMBERS THAT GO WITH IT.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN NUMBERS, THE NUMBERS ARE COMING, BUT I WAS GONNA HIT SOME HIGH POINTS ON WITH WORDS FIRST.
BUT TO DESCRIBE THE, THE FARMER'S RANCH BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE LATE SIXTIES, AND IN 1999, IT UNDERWENT A CONSIDERABLE UPGRADE.
AND BY THE, THE LATE NINETIES, YOU HAD THE AMERICANS WITH A DISABILITY ACT, YOU HAD MORE MODERN, UM, FIRE CODES, ELECTRICAL CODES, PLUMBING CODES, BUILDING ENERGY EFFICIENCY TYPE CODES.
SO THEIR FACILITY HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF UPGRADES AND CORRECTIONS MADE TO THE, THE BUILDING IN 1999 THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE TO INCORPORATE INTO THEIR MOST RECENT REMODEL.
THAT, WHEREAS THE ADDISON BUILDING BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES IS GONNA HAVE TO BRING MORE OF THE BUILDING UP TO THE NEWER CODES, A DA AT AN ELEVATOR, UH, AND DO A NUMBER OF THINGS.
SO THERE'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE, THE BACKGROUND ON THE AGE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DONE TO THE BUILDING SINCE IT WAS, UH, FIRST BUILT.
AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT BUILDING IN, IN ADDISON'S FARMS BRANCH, I THINK DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IF YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE THAT TOUR OF INCORPORATING A LOT OF USEFUL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT, UM, EITHER HADN'T BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
IT HAD A, IT HAD A COURTYARD THAT WAS THE SIZE OF ABOUT HALF OF THIS, THIS TOTAL ROOM, AND THEY TURNED THAT INTO A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, A MEETING ROOM.
IT REALLY HELPED MAKE THAT FLOW.
AND THEY PICKED UP A THOUSAND OR SO SQUARE FOOT FOR VERY LITTLE COST.
WHAT THEY REALLY NEEDED TO DO IS PUT A ROOF OVER TOP OF THAT, HAD SOME ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING, AND THEY GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VALUE FOR VERY LITTLE INVESTMENT IN THAT SPACE.
THEY WERE ALSO ABLE TO TAKE THEIR FITNESS ROOM AND MOVE IT TO ANOTHER BUILDING AND THEN RECAPTURE THAT FOR USE.
AND THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO OPTIMIZE SPACE WITHIN THE BUILDING, OPEN UP SOME WALLS, HAVE, UM, MORE MODERN OFFICE FURNITURE, AND GET MORE PEOPLE ON ACTIVITIES IN A, A SMALLER AMOUNT OF SPACE.
AND THEN REDEDICATE THE CAPTURED SPACE TO THE, UM, NEW PURPOSES.
SO CERTAINLY GFFS OUTSTANDING, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS AND IDEAS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE ADDISON BUILDING, BUT THEY PICKED UP A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE BY MOVING THINGS OFF IN ENCLOSING AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT IN OUR CURRENT SITE, UH, AS THEY DID THERE.
THE OTHER DIFFERENCE WAS THEIR, THEIR EXTERIOR OF THEIR ROOF, THEIR MAJOR BUILDINGS AND SYSTEMS WERE, WERE ALL IN GOOD, GOOD SHAPE, WHEREAS THE ADDISONS, UH, ARE NOT, WE'RE LOOKING AT LITERALLY REMOVING EVERYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, THE BRICK, THE WALLS, SO WE CAN GET IN THERE AND, AND CORRECT ISSUES THERE AND BRING THOSE UP TO ENERGY CODE.
WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL ELECTRICAL WORK AND PLUMBING WORK THAT THE FARMER'S BRANCH PROJECT DIDN'T HAVE.
UM, AGAIN, BASED ON AGES, PREVIOUS REMODELS AND THEN NEEDS IN THE, IN THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
SO I THINK I HIT THOSE, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.
SO WE ALSO HAVE SOME SITE DRAINAGE AND CONCRETE WORK THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IF, IF WE WERE TO
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FOLLOW OPTION A ONE, UH, THAT FARMER'S BRANCH DIDN'T HAVE ON, ON THEIRS.AND AGAIN, THEIRS WAS A LOT OF INTERIOR WORK.
OURS IS EXTERIOR ROOF MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS AND BRINGING A LOT OF THINGS UP TO SPEED.
SO PUT SOME DOLLARS WITH THOSE.
AND C, SO FARMER'S, BRANCHES PROJECT, UH, 4.5 MILLION WHERE OPTION A ONE IS AT, UM, 38.5 MILLION, AND WE'LL BREAK DOWN THE CONSTRUCTION COST DIFFERENCES OF RIGHT AT 13 MILLION IN THE DIFFERENCES.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE, BASED ON THE SCOPE AND THE SIGNIFICANT MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THE ADDISON.
DEMOLITION ALONE AT, AT OPTION EIGHT, ONE IS OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH IS A THIRD OF THE TOTAL FARMER'S BRANCH CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
WE'VE GOT, GOT CONCRETE REPAIRS, MASONRY, WE HAVE TO ADD STRUCTURAL STEEL BUILDING INSTALLATION.
THEY DIDN'T DO ROOF WORK AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT OR WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.
JUST, UH, YOU CAN RUN DOWN THAT LIST.
THAT'S OVER 7 MILLION, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE ON, ON THAT LIST OF THINGS THAT, UM, WHILE THEY HAD SOME OF THOSE, THEY OBVIOUSLY REFRAMED WALLS AND MOVED WALLS AND DID ACOUSTICAL CEILINGS.
UM, THEY WERE, UH, SMALLER AREAS IN LESS THAN THE A ONE PROPOSAL HERE, WHICH IS REALLY A, A TOTAL COMPLETE CHANGE.
SO MOVING FROM CONSTRUCTION TO TEMPORARY FACILITIES, FARMER'S BRANCH WAS ABLE OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD, THEY, THEY WORKED ON, THEY, THEY CONSOLIDATED PEOPLE INTO ONE AREA, WORKED ON ANOTHER, AND JUST KIND OF WORKED THEIR WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING WHILE THEY CONTINUED TO OCCUPY.
BASED ON THE SCOPE AND EXTENT OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE UNDER PROPOSAL, A ONE, UH, ADDISON WOULD NEED TO MOVE OUT, AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST TO, TO FIND THE LOCATION, TO RENT THE LOCATION, TO BRING IT UP TO SPEED, SECURITY WISE, ACCESS WISE, ET CETERA.
UH, DO THE CONSTRUCTION AT THE SITE AND MOVE THE PEOPLE BACK, AND THEN RETURN THE LEASE SPACE BACK TO, UH, KIND OF NORMAL OFFICE SPACE AS OPPOSED TO A MORE SECURE AND COMPLEX SPACE THAT'S NEEDED FOR, FOR A POLICE FACILITY.
UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT, THAT'S THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF THE, OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
THE ONE IN ADDISON IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.
USUALLY ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING AND STUFF IS, IS AROUND 20% OF A PROJECT.
AND THOSE TRACK REALLY WELL RIGHT ALONG WITH EACH OTHER.
UH, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE ADDISON IS MORE COMPLEX, JUST OVERALL, THERE'S MORE COST INVOLVED THERE.
UH, LAND ACQUISITION, I KNOW IT SEEMED LIKE A LONG, LONG TIME AGO, BUT WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE CURRENT, UM, FACILITIES ON AIRPORT LAND AND THERE'S REQUIREMENTS WITH F AA WHERE WE EITHER HAVE TO PURCHASE THAT LAND OR FIND AN EQUAL PARCEL AND DO THAT.
SO THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THE PERFORM BRANCH DID NOT HAVE, UNLESS ESTIMATED IT'S JUST UNDER $4 MILLION.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL ALLOWANCE, I THINK WISELY, UH, WE BUILT INTO THE BUDGET AND 500,000, UH, ALLOWANCE AND KNOW THERE'S ASBESTOS.
WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN MOLD IN THE BUILDING, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GONNA FIND WHEN WE START TEARING INTO THOSE WALLS AND DOING THINGS.
SO THAT'S A CONTINGENCY, IT'S THERE.
UH, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD, AND I NEED TO USE ALL OF THAT, BUT WE'LL NEED TO USE AT LEAST SOME OF THAT, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE MIGHT FIND, UH, FURNITURE FIXTURE AND EQUIPMENT FARMERS BRANCH IS ABLE TO RECYCLE SOME OF THEIRS WHERE WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, CONTINGENCIES, AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT EXTENSIVE OF A REMODEL, IT'S, IT'S WISE TO BUILD THAT IN.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA SPEND THAT, BUT IF WE PUSHED IT RIGHT UP TO THE LIMIT AND THEN FOUND A MILLION OR $2 MILLION WORTH OF CONTINGENCIES THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE BACKING THINGS OUT OF THE PROJECT OR YOU'RE GOING BACK AND ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.
SO OUR EXPERTS ON THE COST SIDE, UM, THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME, AND THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDED AMOUNT FOR CONTINGENCIES.
AND THEN WE HAVE ESCALATION WHERE FARMERS BRANCH KNEW THEIR TOTAL COST BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE DONE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT STEEL AND CONCRETE AND LABOR AND EVERYTHING WILL DO IN THE YEAR AND A HALF BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN, THE EARLIEST WE COULD POSSIBLY START CONSTRUCTION AND ENDURING CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE ESCALATIONS IN THERE.
SO THOSE, UM, TOTAL UP TO THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS.
BUT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THERE'S A SCOPE, MUCH DIFFERENT SCOPE.
THEY HAD A MOSTLY, AND THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB IN INTERIOR REMODEL AND REFRESH.
THIS IS A TOTAL GUT IN IN REDO.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS ON THE LAND AND CONTINGENCIES AND TIMEFRAMES THAT THEY ALREADY KNOW AND THOSE COSTS FACTOR IN OR JUST DON'T KNOW.
SO, UM, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANTED TO SPEND THE TIME GOING THROUGH THE DETAIL THAT BILL DID ON THIS BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMPARISONS
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AND YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT FARMERS RANCH WAS ABLE TO DO FOR LESS THAN 5 MILLION, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? AND SO, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON, THE RENOVATION PROJECT ALONE DOESN'T GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE, DO A TRUE RENOVATION FOR LESS THAN 5 MILLION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT NEWS TO SHARE, BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ALL WANNA SERIOUSLY CONSIDER TO UNDERSTANDING THAT QUESTION.WE JUST WANTED TO GO INTO THE WEEDS OF IT DETAIL TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCES SO THAT THERE'S COMFORT LEVEL, UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT OPTION RENOVATION, THAT SAME QUESTION, WHY? ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, MR. HOLLY.
I KNOW THAT THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THIS KNOWN BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M ONE OF THOSE WEIRD PEOPLE THAT LIKES TO WATCH OLD MEETINGS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
AND SO I THINK IT'S USEFUL TO KNOW HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE.
DID WE KNOW WHAT THE COST WAS IN 1999 WHEN THEY NO, SIR.
WE ASKED THAT QUESTION, BUT BEING 25, 26 YEARS AGO, THE STAFF WASN'T ON SITE.
I TRIED TO SEARCH AND FIND AND, AND COULDN'T FIND ANY RECORDS TO HELP UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST SIX YEARS, CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE ESCALATED SO MUCH, UM, THAT, UM, I'M SURE IT'S GONNA SOUND LIKE IT WAS A GREAT DEAL AND IT, I, IT PROBABLY WAS.
AND I THINK THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB BOTH IN 99 AND AGAIN HERE IN 2025 WITH, WITH THAT BUILDING AND, AND GETTING A LOT OF VALUE FOR THEIR DOLLARS.
IT'S JUST THAT IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN, THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
DID, UM, FARMER EXPERIENCE MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR IS IT JUST THAT THEY NEED TO REMODEL? I MEAN, AND DID THEY GAIN ANYTHING FROM THE 4 MILLION BECAUSE YOU'RE INVESTING IN THE POLICE, THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? YOU ON ON THE BADGE? YEAH, THE PERSON BEHIND THE BADGE, RIGHT? I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT I CAN, I CAN RELAY WHAT I RECALL CHIEF MCCOY STATING DURING THAT WAS THAT THAT FACILITY WAS SHOWING IT, IT HAD GOOD BONES AND STRUCTURE.
THEY, THEY HAD GROWN AND IT NEEDED A REFRESH.
SO THEIRS WAS A, HOW CAN WE MAXIMIZE THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE? HOW CAN WE GIVE THIS A FRESH NEW LOOK? HOW CAN WE UPDATE AND MODERNIZE? BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS KEY TO, I I REMEMBER HIS POINT SPECIFICALLY WAS IT WAS AN ISSUE OF ATTRACTING PEOPLE AND RETAINING PEOPLE WHEN YOU HAD AN, A DATED FACILITY THAT, THAT HAD ISSUES.
AND THEY, TO A PERSON THAT I TALKED TO, THEY, THEY LOVED THE NEW BUILDING.
UM, IT, IT, IT MAY BE IF THEIR POPULATION CHANGES OR DEMAND CHANGES, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE FUTURE OR EXPAND OR OR WHATNOT.
BUT THEY, UH, UM, THEY NEEDED A, A REFRESH AND THEY NEEDED TO BETTER USE THE SPACE THEY HAD.
AND WHILE WE FIND OURSELVES, WE, WE NEED MORE THAN A
AND THEN EVEN AS, AS WE POINTED OUT, THE REDO GETS US THE SAME BUILDING AND THE SAME SIZE THAT WE HAVE NOW.
SO THEN IT'S IMPACTFUL ON THE, THE FUTURE AND GROWTH AND WHAT DO WE DO THERE? SO THE READING THAT THEY HAD ADEQUATELY GAVE THEM WHAT THEY NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY, YEAH, AND THEY, THEY WERE VERY CREATIVE AND THEY HAD SOME, UH, ARPA MONEY, WHICH GOES BACK TO THE COVID TIME.
UH, THEY, THEY'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO, TO BRING THAT PROJECT TOGETHER.
AND IT WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY THAT THE CHIEF SEEING THAT NEED AND THE VALUE ON HOW HAVING A, A NICE MODERN FACILITY REALLY HELPS THE MORALITY OF THE ORGANIZATION AND ATTRACTING, RETAINING OFFICER.
MR. HOLLY, CAN YOU REMIND US THAT IF IT, IF IT DOES PASS IN MAY, IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, THE EARLIEST THAT THE POLICE STATION MIGHT BE READY WOULD BE 28, 29, WHAT YEAR WAS IT THAT IT WOULD BE READY? SO IF, IF IT WERE TO PASS, UM, IN, IN MAY, IT WOULD BE A YEAR OF JUST THE, THE DESIGN PROCESS.
AND, AND GOING THROUGH THOSE STEPS.
AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IF AN EXPERT ON CONSTRUCTION TWO YEARS.
SO THEN A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, IF, IF THIS WOULD BE MOVED TO, LET'S SAY NOVEMBER, WOULD THAT CHANGE THAT, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO NOVEMBER, IF THE ELECTION WAS HELD IN, NO, WELL, YOU WOULD JUST ADD 12 MONTHS FROM NOVEMBER AND THEN TWO YEARS ON.
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WHENEVER THE COMMUNITY PROVIDES A DIRECTION TO PROCEED.AND IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CURRENT BUDGET RIGHT NOW TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE CURRENT POLICE STATION TO HELP THEM AT ALL WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES? I MEAN, IS THERE LIKE A LITTLE REFRESH THAT'S PLANNED BEFORE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S QUITE A LONG TIME BEFORE THE BUILDING'S READY, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S MAINTENANCE MONEY FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS EACH YEAR.
THE, YOU ALWAYS DO A, A COST BENEFIT, RIGHT? OKAY.
IF I SPEND 50,000 TO REDO THIS BREAK ROOM AND IN THREE YEARS IT'S GONE, IS, IS THAT 50,000 INVESTMENT WORTH IT? SO WE'VE BEEN MAKING CHOICES AND DECISIONS ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN OLDER CAR AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GET A NEW ONE IN A FEW YEARS, HOW DO YOU REPLACE THE TRANSMISSION OR, OR THERE JUST, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, OR DO YOU MAINTAIN IT AND KEEP IT GOING? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES NOW.
AND WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS TO, TO HELP REFRESH AND OTHERS.
AND IT'S, IT'S A KIND OF AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT BY PROJECT.
WHAT MAKES SENSE? IS IT MAINTENANCE, IS IT AN UPGRADE? UM, AND, AND DO WE INVEST A LOT JUST TO TEAR IT DOWN? AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE GET CALLED ON THE CARPET FOR, FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO WALK THAT, WALK THAT TIGHT LINE OF MAKING, MAKING THINGS REASON, LOGICALLY MAKING IMPROVE.
I, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING VERY MINDFUL AND I KNOW THAT OUR FORCE HAS BEEN VERY MINDFUL OF IT, BUT TO THE POINT OF WHY FARMERS BRANCH DID TO HELP RETAIN PEOPLE AND FOR MORALE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I REALLY HOPE THAT OUR COUNCIL LISTENS TO THIS AND KNOWS THAT IT WOULD, IN MY OPINION, BE VERY WISE TO PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS SOME KIND OF SOMETHING TO HOLD THEM OVER UNTIL THE NEW BUILDING'S READY.
WELL, I I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHEN THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK THE QUESTION, BUT HAVE WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING A A THIRD FLOOR ON THE CURRENT BUILDING? IS THERE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION BECAUSE OF THE, THE AIRPORT? I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, UH, DESIGNS OR THOUGHTS THERE, THERE ARE GONNA BE RESTRICTIONS.
I'LL LET AN ARCHITECT COME UP.
I, I THINK IT'S, WELL, I'LL LET HIM SPEAK.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE, IT WOULD BE SO EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT YOU GAINED, UH, PARTICULARLY THEN ELEVATORS AND STUFF.
BUT JASON, YOU BELIEVE SPEAK TO THAT.
JASON K WITH GFF, UM, YEAH, THE QUESTION WAS, IS IT FEASIBLE TO ADD A THIRD FLOOR TO THE EXISTING BUILDING? THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK WE MENTIONED IN MAYBE ONE OF OUR VERY FIRST MEETINGS.
UM, BUT STRUCTURALLY THE EXISTING BUILDING IS NOT BUILT TO HANDLE ANY ADDITIONAL LOAD.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE LOCALLY HERE, I BELIEVE UP IN ALLEN.
UH, THEY, THEY BUILT A, A BUILDING THAT WAS TWO STORIES AND THEN YEARS LATER THEY ADDED A THIRD FLOOR.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS DRIVE, UM, COLUMNS DOWN THROUGH THAT WHOLE STRUCTURE.
YOU WOULD BE VACATING THAT ENTIRE BUILDING, UH, AND PAYING THE COST FOR TEMPORARY RELOCATION.
UM, AND THEN IN THE END, WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS LIVING WITH, WITH THAT OLD BUILDING.
THERE'S ALSO THE CONCERN OF THE HEIGHT NEAR THE AIRPORT, WHICH WE HAVEN'T FULLY EXPLORED, BUT BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD, WOULD BE QUESTIONABLE WHETHER WE COULD DO THAT.
SO FROM A COST, FROM THE, UH, LEVEL OF INTERVENTION.
AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING, HOW TIGHT THE EXISTING SITE IS.
YES, WE, YOU KNOW, THE STORY, BUT WE STILL DON'T THE, WE NEED THAT BUILDING.
SO FOR NUMBER REASONS, WE DIDN'T THAT ANY FURTHER.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M GONNA TRANSITION OVER AND HAVE TO FREEZE COME UP.
UM, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING IF YOU COULD GET TO A 55 MILLION MARK.
AND SO WE CHALLENGED OUR CONSULTANTS TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCIL AND COME BACK US WITH OPTIONS OF HOW WE COULD GET THERE.
SO CHIEF IS GONNA FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION AND THAT DISCUSSION AROUND THE TRADEOFFS IF THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED UP.
SO CHIEF, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
CHRIS FREEZE, CHIEF OF POLICE.
UM, SO AS MS SAID, UH, DURING ONE OF THE, THE LAST MEETING WE WERE ASKED, WE, HEY, LET'S PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE HEARD SOME, UM, SOME COMMENTS THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE MIGHT LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN LIKE MORE 5 MILLION BUDGET RANGE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
WE TALKED WITH MR, WE TALKED WITH PROGRAMMING, UM, AND SAID WHAT CAN WE DO TO PULL SOME LEVERS TO GET TO 50 MILLION
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TARGET? WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.ONE OF IT WAS THROUGH SCOPE REDUCTION.
UM, AND I'LL LET MR. CAVE TALK THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A SECOND.
NEXT SLIDE, MR. TALK ABOUT THE HE'S, BUT THROUGH SCOPE PRODUCTION, WE LOOKED AT THE SUPPORT BUILDING AND WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE IT BY APPROXIMATELY 13 SQUARE FEET.
NOW THAT DOESN'T COME WITH SOME CHALLENGES, RIGHT? ONE OF THE THINGS, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SAID MANY, MANY TIMES AT THESE MEETINGS, IT'S JUST, IT'S A SPACE LOOKING TO A GAIN WITH ANY TYPE OF NEW FACILITY, WHETHER THAT'S A RENOVATION, WHETHER THAT'S A NEW BUILD.
SO ANYTIME WE'RE NOW GOING BACK AND PRODUC SPACE, ESPECIALLY STORAGE, THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA FIND AREAS TO PUT THE STUFF THAT YOU TYPICALLY WOULD GO THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A WAY THAT WE'LL LOOK AT AND KIND DO THAT SCOPE ION IN, IN SPACE PROGRAMMING.
THERE'S ALSO SOME ENGINEER THAT WILL TALK ABOUT, UM, AND KIND HIS REAL AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN, LOOKING AT FINISHERS CAN TALK THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, MR PROGRAMMING, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL REDUCTION IN THE ESCALATION ESTIMATES THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AND THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.
UM, WE'LL BE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS, KIND JUST GO BACK AND FORTH.
SO AS YOU QUESTIONS THAT COME UP, PLEASE UM, ASK THEM AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH PRESENTATION.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'LL TURN OVER TO, UH, MR. CABLE WITH GFF.
OKAY, SO YES, WE'RE HERE TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION AND THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST MEETING, UH, WHICH WAS, UM, THE FULL PROJECT BUDGET BEING AROUND 59 MILLION.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET A PROJECT BUDGET OF 55 MILLION BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME FEELING THAT FOLKS WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO FROM A DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, THERE'S REALLY THREE LEVERS WE CAN PULL, UH, TO ACHIEVE THAT.
AND SO THE FIRST ONE IS REDUCING THE SIZE MAIN BUILDING.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A PROCESS WHERE YOU WOULD LOOK AT ALL THE NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND DETERMINE WHAT CAN WE POSSIBLY COMBINE AND FLEX SPACES, UM, WHAT ARE SPACES THAT ARE SPACES THAT MAYBE WE COULD ELIMINATE AND TRY TO SQUEEZE THE FOOTPRINT DOWN OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AS A DESIGNER, YOU CAN LOOK AT TRYING TO SQUEEZE DOWN THE CIRCULATION AND REALLY JUST ELIMINATE ANY EXCESS SPACE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST OPTION.
THE SECOND OPTION IS LOOKING AT THE SUPPORT BUILDING.
IT'S CALLED THE STORAGE BUILDING ON THIS SLIDE.
THAT'S THE OUTBUILDING THAT CONTAINS A LOT OF THOSE, UM, KIND OF DIRTY FUNCTIONS.
WE'VE GOT SOME STORAGE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, PATROL STORAGE.
WE'VE GOT SOME GARAGE TYPE SPACES OUT THERE.
AND SAME, SAME CONCEPT AS THE FIRST ONE.
WHAT IF WE REDUCE THAT YOU'D BE LIVING WITHOUT THOSE, UM, SPACES.
AND SO HOW CAN YOU MAINTAIN OPERATIONS WITHOUT THAT? THOSE WOULD BE THE DISCUSSIONS YOU'D BE HAVING.
UM, THE IS WHAT WE ENGINEERING AND UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S ONE OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS THAT YOU ASK DESIGN CONSTRUCTION TO UTILIZE IF YOU THAT WANNA WITH BUDGET.
SO ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARCHITECTS AND CONTRACTORS CAN DO, UM, DURING THE DESIGN PHASE SO THAT WE'RE 55 MILLION PROJECT, UM, FLOOR PLAN COMPRESSION.
THIS IS AN EXERCISE WHERE YOU'RE TAKING OUT ANY LITTLE EXTRA BITS, CORRIDOR OR LOBBY SPACE THAT AREN'T ESSENTIAL WHILE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE PROGRAM.
ALL THE SPACES WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS NEEDED WOULD REMAIN, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO STICK OUT ANY OF THAT EXTRA SPACE.
UM, THE NEXT OPTION IS EXTERIOR MATERIAL VALUE OPTIONS.
THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF VENDORS AND SUPPLIERS OUT THERE, UH, OF WHICH TO SOURCE, UH, MATERIALS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GRIP STONE, METAL CLADDING MATERIALS, ROOFING MATERIALS, AND ONE BY ONE THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TEAM CAN GO THROUGH AND AS A TEAM SELECT THAT WILL HELP THE PROJECT BUDGET.
THE LIGHTING PACKAGE IS TYPICALLY A VERY LARGE LINE ITEM ON ANY PROJECT.
UM, UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT THROUGH THE LENS OF GOOD, BETTER, BEST AND UH, HOW CAN WE PROVIDE FIXTURES THAT REQUIREMENTS ADEQUATE LIGHTING.
UH, BUT ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN SAVE ON FIRST COST WITH THAT LIGHTING PACKAGE? AND THEN THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN, AND SOME OF THE PROJECT TOURS
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ARE WHAT WE CALL ENVIRONMENTAL GRAPHICS OPPORTUNITIES FOR BRANDING, UM, TO HELP, UH, REINFORCE THE CULTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT.UM, SOME OF THOSE NICE TO HAVES COULD BE REDUCED TO KIND OF YOUR CODE REQUIRED SIGNAGE.
AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T HAVING TO WEIGH IN TONIGHT, BUT YOU COULD TRUST THAT YOU DESIGN A CONSTRUCTION TEAM WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE PROJECT.
UM, BY UTILIZING SOME OF THESE THINGS, THESE A FEW OTHER STRUCTURAL SYSTEM VALUE COMPARISON.
UM, DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACT AND THE SUBCONTRACTORS AND THE COST OF MATERIALS, UH, YOUR FOUNDATIONS MAY BE EITHER PEERS OR MICRO PILE.
OUR VALUE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, UM, UH, WE'RE TALKING SUPERSTRUCTURE, EITHER TIMBER OR STEEL OR COLD FORM FRAMING COULD BE USED IN CERTAIN CASES INSTEAD OF MISCELLANEOUS STEEL.
AGAIN, ASKING YOUR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TEAM TO FIND VALUE IN ANY PLACE.
AND THE SAME THING GOES FOR HVAC EQUIPMENT.
YOUR GENERATOR IN PARTICULAR IS GONNA BE A VERY BIG LINE ITEM AND UM, DEPENDING ON THE MANUFACTURER, YOU MAY HAVE, UM, WIDE VARIETY AND PRICE.
UM, AND SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE JUST A FEW OPTIONS, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK NEED TO BE DECIDED.
YOU COULD PROBABLY ASSUME THAT WE COULD SAFELY ACHIEVE THAT BUDGET BY PULLING ON ANY NUMBER OF THESE LEVERS.
SO OUR TASK WAS TO CONSIDER ONE OF THE OPTIONS AND DO A TEST RUN.
AND SO WHAT TEAM DECIDED TO DO IS TAKE THE SUPPORT BUILDING AND REDUCE IT BY ABOUT 25%.
AND SO WE MADE A CUT TO THE SUPPORT BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND UM, MR AND HIS TEAM THEN RAN UH, A COST ESTIMATE ON THAT AND HE'S GONNA COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THAT.
UM, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM, THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES, THAT SQUARE RIGHT THERE.
AND DOWN HERE YOU'LL NOTICE, NOTICE THE ESCALATION WAS RUNNING AT THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENT PER MONTH.
SO THIS ESCALATION NUMBER LAST YEAR, WE WERE CARRYING A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
AS WE ALL KNOW, THE PRICE OF HAS COME DOWN AND LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA DOWN.
UH, YOU ASKED A GREAT QUESTION, UH, IN OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GONNA HAVE LEFT.
AND I SAID, IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHAT THE PRICE OF COPPER WILL BE.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW COPPER IS STILL GOING UP, BUT THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE PREDICTION, IT'S NOT OVERLY CONSERVATIVE.
SO WE HAD TWO LEVER THIS, THE DESIGN TEAM WANTED TO COMMEND HOW FAST THEY DID IT OVER A HOLIDAY TO GET US REALLY GOOD INFORMATION AND ESTIMATING, UH, TO REDO ALL THE DETAIL.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE WERE AND THAT'S HOW WE 20, 25%.
AND, AND WE JUST USE THIS MATHEMATICALLY AS TO GET US TO THIS NUMBER BEING 55.
AND THIS JUST FELL OUT AT, UM, YOU CAN SEE IN GREEN WHAT WAS CHANGED AND THE UM, THE SUPPORT BUILDING WAS REDUCED BY SQUARE FEET AND THE ESCALATION WENT DOWN BY FROM SEVEN THREE QUARTER OF PERCENT TO 44.
SO THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THE CANOPIES TRUCTURE UPGRADE, THE SITE ACQUISITION.
AND THAT'S HOW WE GOTTA THE 55 MILLION.
SO, UM, THE, THAT WE FACE, THE 45.45% PER MONTH IS LESS THAN THE HISTORIC AVERAGE AND UM, THAT'S THE 20 YEAR AVERAGE.
SO WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT IS NOT A LIKELY SCENARIO FOR US AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO, UM, I, I JUST GOT A COUPLE COMMENTS ON COST ESCALATION, I THINK SURE.
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I THINK HE, HE WENT THROUGH IT HERE.I THINK REALLY IT'S JUST A RISK TOLERANCE, UH, PIECE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE ASSUME LESS COST ESCALATION WHEN WE COME UP WITH THE NUMBER AND WE HIT IT, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT IF WE GO, IF IT COMES IN HIGHER, THAT JUST MEANS WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE MORE TRADE OFFS WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROJECT.
SO IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED WHEN YOU THINK OF IT THAT WAY.
TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT GO INTO IT.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IT'S, WE'RE NOT GUARANTEED TO HIT AS HIGH AS THE COST ESCALATION THAT WE HAVE BUILT IN.
UM, IT COULD CERTAINLY COME IN LOWER, BUT IT COULD COME IN HIGHER AND SO THE LOWER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT MORE TRADE OFF, WE IF THAT ESCALATION GOES HIGHER.
WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 55 MILLION? SO AT THE END OF THE MEETING LAST TIME, OH, WASN'T HERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, THAT NUMBER WAS MISSING A FEW TIMES AS WE WENT OUTTA THE ROOM.
SO THE CHARGES WE HAD AS WE WALKED AWAY WAS WHAT WOULD LIKE 55 MILLION.
SO I GUESS TO SUM UP THOSE FEW SLIDES, YOUR ANSWER WOULD BE WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE SUPPORT BUILDING, WE CAN MAKE SOME OTHER VALUE ENGINEERING CHANGES AND WE CAN GO LOWER AND SEE WHERE ATION LANDS AND THEN POTENTIALLY MAKE MORE DECISIONS DOWN THE ROAD.
I, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE I, I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT SAID THE 55 MILLION.
I WAS JUST THINKING IT WAS, IT WAS A NICE ROUND NUMBER, BUT REALLY I WAS THINKING BASED ON ENGINEER COMMERCIAL PROJECT I'VE EVER WORKED ON EVERY ONE OF THEM.
WE CAN SAVE ABOUT 10% IF WE NEED TO GOING INTO THING AFTER THE FACT.
SO THAT'S HOW THEY KIND OF BACKED INTO THAT 55 NUMBER.
AND I KNOW, I MEAN WHOEVER THE ARCHITECTS GONNA BE, UM, I KNOW THAT THEY CAN DESIGN FOR THAT AND IT'LL STILL BE A GREAT FACILITY.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IN MY MIND IS MAKING SURE THAT IT'S A, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FANCY, BUT IT HAS TO FUNCTION AND DURABLE.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME.
SO IT'S LIKE YOU CAN ALWAYS, I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN FIND THAT THAT EXTRA MONEY AND OTHER THING IS WORKER GETS DESIGNED, GETS UNDER CONSTRUCTION ESCALATION WE SAY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CAN GET DONE SIX MONTHS EARLIER, YOU KNOW, 3% OR WHATEVER.
SO I THINK IT WAS ALSO AN ISSUE OF WHAT THE VOTERS CAN TOLERATE OR OR WHAT THEIR TO TOLERANCE LEVEL MIGHT BE.
SO 55, 57 SOUNDED A LOT BETTER THAN 60 AND WE THOUGHT MAYBE WE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD APPROACH TO TAKE A QUESTION TOO.
UM, AND NOT KNOWING THE FINANCE PART OF THE CITY, IS IT NEVER A CASE THAT YOU PUT 5 MILLION IN OUTTA THE CITY COFFERS AND GO FOR A LOWER BOND? IS THAT AN UNUSUAL SITUATION OR IF WE HAVE A COST OVERRUNS THAT THE CITY COMES UP WITH MONEY TO KEEP EVERYTHING THE SAME INSTEAD OF STARTING TO CUT DOWN? SO IT'S CERTAINLY THE CASE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
I MEAN YOU CAN LOOK AT MIDWAY ROAD AND THE TOWN ENDED UP ISSUING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COS TO UM, TO FINISH THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT CAME IN WELL OVER THE BUDGET WITH THE BOND.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHEN WE GO FORWARD TO THE VOTERS THOUGH, WE WANT TO HAVE A NUMBER THAT WE BELIEVE CAN ACCOMPLISH THE PROJECT.
YOU NEVER WANT TO GO IN WITH A NUMBER THAT YOU THINK YOU'LL END UP HAVING TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL.
COS YOU WANNA BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
HERE'S HOW MUCH WE BELIEVE IT'LL COST AND HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO DO IT.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GET IN THAT POSITION WHERE YOU ISSUES ADDITIONAL REVENUE, USE ADDITIONAL SOURCES TO DO THAT.
IF YOU ARE OVER, YOU COME BACK AND YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION OF HOW DO WE GET DOWN TO THAT POINT? THERE ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS.
MIDWAY ROAD WAS AN EXCEPTION, RIGHT, BECAUSE IT WAS SO FAR OVER, BUT IF IT'S 5 MILLION OVER, WE'RE GONNA DO EXACTLY WHAT WAS MENTIONED.
IF DOING WHATEVER VALUE ENGINEERING WE CAN TO GO UNDER, BUT YOU WOULD NEVER, WE WOULD NEVER WANT TO GO INTO IT ASSUMING WE'LL HAVE TO GO HIGHER THAN THE NUMBER THAT WE PUT OUT THOSE TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT.
YOU CAN'T SAY IN THE BOND PACKAGE FOR THE VOTERS SEE THAT IT'S GONNA COST US 60,000 BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR 50, UH, 55 OR 60 MILLION, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR 55 MILLION.
THE CITY'S GONNA UH, PUT MONEY AHEAD OF THAT OR PUT IT, INCLUDE IT IN THERE.
YOU CAN'T WORD THE BOND THAT WAY.
AND THEN SAME WAY IF YOU HAVE OVERAGES, UM, I HATE TO SEE CUTS AND SEED SHORTCUTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WANT
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A BUILDING THAT'S GONNA LAST A LONG TIME.SO, UM, AGAIN, I'LL ANSWER THE SECOND PART FIRST, BUT I'LL COME BACK TO THE FIRST PART.
I MEAN THAT WOULD BE A DIS THOSE ARE GONNA BE DECISIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME AND THERE COULD BE ALTERNATIVES, THERE COULD BE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, THERE COULD BE UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FARMERS BRANCH USING THE ARPA FUNDS, RIGHT? THAT THAT POPPED UP FOR THEM.
SO THERE COULD BE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES AT THE TIME AND THEN CITY COUNCIL COULD IS GONNA HAVE, WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION AT THE TIME OF DO WE WANNA DO THESE CUTS OR DO WE WANNA FIND ADDITIONAL REVENUES? UM, TO THE FIRST QUESTION I WOULD SAY IT IS NOT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
SO SAY CITY COUNCIL SAID WE WANT TO, WE'LL SPEND THE DESIGN FROM EXISTING REVENUE FUND BALANCES AND THEN WE WILL DO THE REST WITH WHAT WE ASK FOR FROM A BOND ELECTION.
I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT THOUGH IS EVEN I KNOW AS WE TALK ABOUT IT, WE SAY YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING FROM CITY FUND, IT'S ALL COMING THROUGH TAXPAYER DOLLARS REALLY.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST CLEANER TO GO TO THE MOTORS AND ASK FOR HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO DO THIS PROJECT SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE GOING FORWARD THEY UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM FINDING OTHER REVENUE SOURCES PRIOR.
CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT VALUE ENGINEERING SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS AND THAT'S, IT'S NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION THEY CUT SQUARE FOOTAGE MOST OF THE TIME.
MY VALUE ENGINEER THAT I FIND IS THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE A SPECIFICATION FOR A CERTAIN BRAND OF MECHANICAL SYSTEM HVAC SYSTEM, BUT THEY'LL ALSO HAVE IN THEIR SPECIFICATIONS OR EQUAL.
AND SO THE CONTRACTOR A LOT OF TIMES BRINGS UP, OKAY, WELL INSTEAD OF USING YOU KNOW, MODEL X, WE'RE GONNA USE MODEL Y AND I HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT'S EXACT THE SAME QUALITY, IT DOES ALL THE SAME FUNCTIONS THAT THEY ORIGINALLY ENGINEERED.
SO YOU'RE REALLY NOT LOSING ANYTHING, IT'S JUST WHO'S GOT THE BETTER NUMBER AT THE TIME.
SO TO YOUR POINT TOO, I THINK IF YOU GO INTO IT WITH A MINDSET OF COST CONTROL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS THERE'S ALWAYS COST SAVINGS THAT CAN BE HAD THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF A PROJECT.
SO I MEAN YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN GO IN WITH A BLANK CHECK, DO WHAT YOU WANT OR YOU CAN GO IN WITH WE'RE GONNA RUN THIS TIGHT AND HAVE COST CONTROL AND MAKE SURE WE MAXIMIZE EVERY DOLLAR.
YEAH, I'VE ALWAYS LIKED THE IDEA OF DESIGNING TO A BUDGET AND NOT JUST DESIGN IT AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BUDGET IS JUST ME OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT NOT GIVING 'EM THE GUN RANGE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE $55 MILLION PROPOSAL.
SO YEAH AND AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DRAW OUT THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG, YOU GO BY THE LAST, THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THE 55 MILLION REALLY IN THIS SCENARIO DOES NOT HAVE THE GUN RANGE.
I KNOW CHIEF IS READY TO SPEAK TO THAT, SO THAT MAY BE A GOOD SEGUE.
UM, AND THE TO TO SORT ON THE SAME TOPIC, THAT $59 MILLION PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE GUN RANGE EITHER AS THE LAST DISCUSSION WAS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING THAT, THAT'S ROUGHLY ADDITIONAL SEVEN TO EIGHT, MAYBE 9 MILLION ON TOP OF THAT.
SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD? WE HAVE A CURRENT GUN RANGE NOW THAT WE WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO.
UM, THE GOOD THING ABOUT ONE OF THE PROPOSED SITE IS THERE'S ALWAYS THAT OPTION TO ADD THAT LATER ON.
UM, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS, ALTHOUGH YOU NEVER WANNA PLAN FOR THAT OR JUST IN THE FUTURE OF WHILE WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE CURRENT RANGE, WE START PLANNING OKAY, FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, HOW DO WE GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT NO, FOR THE 55 MILLION OR THE ORIGINAL 59 THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE, THE GUN RANGE.
YOU KNOW, AND THIS MAY BE A GOOD TIME TOO TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS, UM, AND, AND MAYBE SOME REMINDERS TOO BECAUSE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE EXAMPLES, WE'RE SHOWING AS WE SHOULD, WE'RE SHOWING LINE BY LINE IN THE DETAIL OF WHERE THESE COST ESTIMATES COME FROM.
BUT THESE ARE EXAMPLES AND IT, IT COULD BE THAT WE'RE ON A WHOLE DIFFERENT, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITE THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW OR A DIFFERENT, WE FIND A DIFFERENT OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S FOR SALE THAT THE COST IS THE LAND ACQUISITION'S CHEAPER, THERE'S A SPOT FOR A GUN RANGE, THERE'S LESS COST BECAUSE IT JUST ACCOMMODATES BETTER FOR A POLICE STATION.
SO WHAT'S ULTIMATELY GONNA GO TO COUNCIL AND THEN POTENTIALLY TO THE VOTERS IS JUST A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
AND THEN THERE ARE, AND EVEN AS YOU LOOK AT THAT LIST, YOU SAW ALL THE VARIABLES IN THERE THAT COULD CHANGE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO THROUGH SPECIFIC EXAMPLES TO COME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT BUT WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S POSSIBLE THERE'S GOOD NEWS AND
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WE'RE ABLE TO PUT A GUN RANGE IN JUST BASED ON WHERE WE ENDED GO ARE, WAIT, ARE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING CHIEF OR NO, JUST IS THERE ANY MORE FOR THE DISCUSSION ON, IS THERE GOING TO BE LIKE A QUESTION TIME AT THE END OR SHOULD WE ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG? BECAUSE I ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS.UM, WELL I GUESS JUST TO GO BACKWARDS A BIT, I KNOW THAT ORIGINALLY THERE WAS CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION IN MAY OF 25 OR 35 MILLION.
WHAT WAS THAT FOR? WAS THAT JUST FOR REMODELING OR WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? SO THAT WAS A, YOU CAN SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL.
THAT WAS A, UM, PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE.
WE WERE, WE KNEW WE HAD A NEED AND SO WE HAD A PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE NOT FROM A, NOT AS DETAILED AS THE ARCHITECTS GOING IN, BUT REAL MORE OF A SCHEMATIC TO SAY WHAT COULD IT COST AND THAT NUMBER WAS ABOUT 35 MILLION.
SO WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL AS NATURAL AS WE DUG IN MORE AND GOT FOLKS WHO REALLY START TO COME UP WITH BETTER COST ESTIMATES.
THAT NUMBER CHANGED AND I THINK BILL CAN SPEAK TO.
SO, SO WAS THAT TAKEN OFF THE TABLE THEN THAT WASN'T APPROVED OR IS AT THAT TIME WE BROUGHT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL AND BECAUSE THAT AS THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT STARTED TO GO UP, THERE WAS NOT A COMFORT LEVEL WITH ISSUING COS THAT REALLY WAS, IT WAS APPROPRIATE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE THAT WAS SOME MONEY MAYBE SITTING SOMEWHERE THAT WE COULD TAP INTO.
UM, I, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS TOO.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT EVERYBODY THOUGH 'CAUSE I COULD PROBABLY BE HERE ALL NIGHT ASKING QUESTIONS.
UM, THE, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE MAYBE FOR MR. GLICKMAN IS, UM, ADJUSTMENTS TO TAX.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I I WATCH REAL ESTATE TRENDS, I'D REALLY LIKE TO MOVE TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT, UM, SUPPOSEDLY
I KNOW I, WE LOVE ADDISON, BUT I REALLY WANNA A YARD ANYHOW.
UM, I HEAR FEBRUARY 27 THERE'S POSSIBLY GOING TO BE A RATHER LARGE ADJUSTMENT THAT HAPPENS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE ON THE RADAR THAT WAS KIND OF BAKED IN BECAUSE OF PROPERTY TAX? IF EVERYBODY'S GOING DISPUTING THEIR PROPERTY TAX AND OUR PROPERTY TAX SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING COSTS CHANGE.
I MEAN WAS THAT ALL FACTORED INTO ALL OF THESE ESTIMATES OR, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL
UM, SO THE PROPERTY TAX THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THIS FISCAL YEAR AND WE'RE ACTUALLY COLLECTING RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY FOR VALUES FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2025.
UM, SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL.
UM, SO WHAT WHAT WE HAVE REALLY BUILT INTO OUR MODEL, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY, UH, WITH THE LEGISLATURE IS THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME SOME NEW EXEMPTIONS FOR BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, THAT WILL BE GOING FORWARD, UH, IN OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE AS FAR AS PROPERTY VALUES OR CONSTRUCTION VALUES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT REALLY WORKS ON A MARKET VALUE SYSTEM.
SO WHEN THEY LOOK AT A RESIDENTIAL HOME, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE MARKET VALUE.
WHEN THEY LOOK AT, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE INCOME THAT THAT PROPERTY IS GENERATING.
UM, FOR ADDISON, RETAIL PROPERTIES DO EXTREMELY WELL.
UM, APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN DOING WELL.
SOME OF OUR OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE DOING ARE STILL DOING REALLY WELL.
UH, WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE, THAT ARE OLDER, UH, THAT, THAT NEED SOME UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF KICK STARTING TO TO GET GOING.
BUT UM, THOSE HAVE TRADITIONALLY IN ADDISON NOT SHOWN HUGE GROWTH ANYWAY.
UM, NOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THE LARGER PROPERTIES ALL ARE PROTESTING AND ARE ALL SUING THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT ANYWAY.
UM, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GETTING THE FULL VALUE OF SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES KNOWN UNTIL TWO TO THREE YEARS AFTER THE APPRAISAL DATE.
DOES THAT ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.
I MEAN WE JUST DON'T KNOW, DO WE? WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND UH, MY PAPA ALWAYS SAID YOU SHOULD MEASURE TWICE AND CUT ONCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT ALL OF THIS BECAUSE ISN'T THERE SOME NEW, UH, THING ABOUT LIKE THE, THE DEBT LIEN ON THE HOMES OR THE PROPERTIES THAT GO TO THE BONDS? IS THERE SOMETHING, I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THERE SOME KIND OF TRANSPARENCY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ABOUT THE BONDS AND HOW THAT GOES AGAINST OUR
I MEAN THERE'S THE, AS FAR AS KIND OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE, WITH THE EDUCATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSITIONS, THE LANGUAGE, THAT'S ALL WHAT VOTERS ULTIMATELY SEE.
UM, AS FAR AS THEIR ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX BILLS, UM, THERE, THERE'S NOT BEEN A CHANGE TO THE WAY
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THAT THOSE ARE PRESENTED OR YOUR APPRAISALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT I'M AWARE OF.SO IF WE GO WITH THIS 55 MILLION MAGICAL NUMBER THAT'LL BE APPROVED, THAT WAS THE, WAS IT 281 EXTRA DOLLARS? WAS THAT HOW MUCH IT WAS, UH, TO THE TAX BILL FOR, FOR ADDISON RESIDENTS OR HOW MUCH DID YOU ESTIMATE THAT AS REMEMBER, UH, FOR THE AVERAGE ADDISON RESIDENT OR FOR YEAH, LIKE FOR A $500,000 HOUSE I THINK IT WAS, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 60.
I I THINK IT WAS ABOUT $66 SOMEONE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS VALUE.
SO SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A $500,000 HOME, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE, A LITTLE OVER $300 A YEAR, WHICH I MEAN I THINK WE ALL WOULD SAY THAT OUR POLICE ARE ARE WORTH, YOU KNOW, THAT MUCH.
BUT I GUESS WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS WHENEVER WE'RE CUTTING OUT THE GUN RANGE AND WE'RE CUTTING OUT THINGS AND THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME A LOT BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE SAFETY, WE DON'T HAVE THE ADDISON THAT WE KNOW.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME A LOT ABOUT CUTTING OUT THINGS.
THIS MAY BE A DAVID GAINES QUESTION AND IT RELATES TO THE BOND LANGUAGE AND I WAS CURIOUS, IS THERE A STATUTE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM PUTTING SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE INTO THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE THAT'S SHOWN HERE THAT SAYS OUR CURRENT BOND DEBT IS 166 X MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS 55 MILLION, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF 25% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THERE SOMETHING PROHIBITING US FROM DOING THAT? THE BOND LANGUAGE IS VERY REGULATED.
IT'S, WE HAVE TO USE PRECISE LANGUAGE.
MOST OF THE LANGUAGE TRIES TO GET TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S ALL THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN TO TRY TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHAT THE INCREASES ARE.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, WE DO HAVE BOND MATERIALS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE TAX RATE INFORMATION, WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THE RES.
I MEAN, SO ALL THAT WILL BE IN THAT, IN THOSE MATERIALS THAT GO ALONG.
AND THOSE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT MOST FOLKS READ.
SO I, IT'S IN THERE, BUT THAT AND CHIEF DOESN MEAN STEVEN COULD PROBABLY EVEN SPEAK TO IT MORE, BUT IT'S VERY REGULATED WAY.
AND IS THAT NUMBER ACCURATE, STEVEN? ARE WE ABOUT 166 MILLION A HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINE SIXTY 2 MILLION? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, SO DAVID'S CORRECT THAT IN THE ACTUAL PROPOSITION LANGUAGE, IT'S VERY, VERY STANDARD THAT WE CAN'T PUT, WE, WE CAN'T ADD OR TAKE THINGS OUTTA OF THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, BUT IN THE MATERIALS THAT ULTIMATELY GO TO VOTERS, THAT VOTER INFORMATION GUIDE, YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE, AGAIN, ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION.
WE HAVE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS IN DEBT.
UH, THE AVERAGE ADDISON SINGLE FAMILY HOME PAYS AS MUCH IN PROPERTY TAXES.
UH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS CAN ALL BE, UH, CAN ALL BE, UM, UH, SHOWN.
I THINK, UH, WE'VE SHOWN IN THE PREVIOUS 2019 BOND ELECTION, UH, PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, IT SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ESTIMATE THAT THIS WOULD INCREASE THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BY 10.30 CENTS.
SO THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE AT THAT POINT.
SO THERE, THERE CAN BE INFORM ANY INFORMATION ABOUT OUR DEBT THAT CAN BE SUPPORTED BY TAX, CAN BE THAT INFORMATION.
DO YOU ALSO HAVE THE PENSION IN THERE TOO, LIKE THE PENSION AND THE STEP AND ALL OF THAT? IS THAT ALSO FACTORED IN TO EVERYTHING BECAUSE I THINK LIKE THE PENSION WENT FROM 11% TO 17% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR NO? UH, ANNUAL PENSION OBLIGATION IS JUST INCLUDED IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET.
SO IT'S NOT, ANYTHING DOESN'T AFFECT, OKAY.
UH, THE TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE IN THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION PASSED HB 1 0 3 AND HB 3 5 2 6, WHICH ARE REALLY GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY LAWS, SUNSHINE LAWS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EACH MUNICIPALITY HAS TO PROVIDE A REPORT TO THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER, BUT ALSO OBVIOUSLY TO ITS CITIZENS.
I KNOW THERE'S A GRACE PERIOD WHEN THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETE.
WHEN IS THAT, OR DO YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW THAT YOU COULD SHARE NOT ONLY WITH THIS COMMITTEE, BUT WITH THE CITIZENS OF ADDISON AS THEY PREPARE A VOTE? YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THE COMP THAT ARE NEW THAT THE COMPTROLLER REQUIRES, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE FILED A COUPLE OF THOSE.
THERE'S A DEBT REPORT THAT WE ALSO FILED.
THAT ONE'S ACTUALLY NOT DUE UNTIL, UH, MARCH 31ST BECAUSE WE'RE DOING OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
WE'RE DOING OUR AUDIT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO MOST CITIES AREN'T GONNA HAVE THAT INFORMATION COMPLETE YET.
UH, BUT WE DO ACTUALLY ON OUR WEBSITE, WE HAVE A TRANSPARENCY SECTION.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DEBT INFORMATION OUT THERE, UH, CURRENTLY THAT ALREADY MEETS THE, THE STANDARDS.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, DEBT REPORT FROM 2024 THAT'S OUT THERE.
AS I SAID, WE'RE UPDATING THAT ONE RIGHT NOW FOR 2025.
UH, IT'S REALLY GOT ALL THE INFORMATION ON THERE EXCEPT FOR I THINK SOME, SOME BONDS THAT WERE SOLD IN, UH, 2024.
UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S AVAILABLE ON OUR, ON OUR WEBSITE CURRENTLY.
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I, I'M JUST JUMPING, I GUESS MAYBE BRAG ON STEVEN A. LITTLE BIT TOO.UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE WON EVERY TRANSPARENCY STAR WE CAN WIN, WHICH IS KIND OF THE AWARDS THAT ARE GIVEN OUT FOR FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY.
SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE ALL THAT MATERIAL THERE.
IN ADDITION THOUGH, WE UNDERSTAND NOT EVERYONE GOES TO THE WEBSITE.
AND SO IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, UM, STEVEN AND HIS TEAM HAVE CREATED WHAT'S CALLED A POPULAR ANNUAL, ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT, KNOWING THAT THE REGULAR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT IS VERY DENSE AND HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION, TRIES TO MAKE IT MORE CONCISE AND READABLE.
AND SO WE PRODUCE THAT AND THAT IS ACTUALLY MAILED TO EVERY RESIDENT'S HOUSE.
SO EVERY RESIDENT SHOULD GET THAT.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE AS WE GO FORWARD.
THE BOND, WE'LL CERTAINLY PUT OUT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN, UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS THAT ARE AL ALREADY AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS OUT THERE.
YEAH, AND I'LL, I'LL ADD A A LITTLE BIT TO THAT AS WELL.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET A BOND THAT'S APPROVED AND WE'RE, WE'RE GOING OUT TO SELL BONDS, WE WANT TO GET AS MUCH COMPETITION TO PURCHASE THOSE, UH, AS WE CAN BECAUSE THAT LOWERS THE, THE INTEREST COSTS.
WE'RE GETTING AS MANY BIDS AS WE CAN, GETTING THE LOWEST INTEREST COSTS.
SO WE HAVE AN INVESTOR RELATIONS WEBSITE AS WELL.
IT'S ADDISON BONDS.COM, UH, AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF OUR DEBT INFORMATION ON THERE AS WELL.
UM, ALL OF OUR, UM, OFFICIAL STATEMENTS FOR OUR BONDS, ALL OF OUR DEBT REPORTS, I KNOW ONE OF THOSE, THE LATEST ONE IS ATTACHED TO, UH, THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, UH, THAT WERE SUBMITTED TODAY.
BUT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THERE, ABOUT OUT THERE, ABOUT THE TOWNS BOND PROGRAM, OUR BOND RATING REPORTS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY THAT IS INTERESTED OR ANYBODY HOPEFULLY THAT WANTS TO INVEST IN ADDISON.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? STEVEN? DID I RECALL THAT YOU PROVIDED US WITH INFORMATION THAT SAID THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES PAY 86% OF THE PROPERTY TAX
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY, WE'RE, WE'RE MOSTLY COMMERCIAL.
UH, AND THAT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, A DIVERSE MIX AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL.
I KNOW WE THINK ABOUT THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE A BIG COMPONENT, BUT THERE'S OFFICE BUILDINGS.
THE APARTMENTS ARE ALL COMMERCIAL, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE EARNING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BASED ON INCOME, YOU KNOW, FOLKS ARE PAYING FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE, UH, APARTMENTS THEY LIVE IN.
THE RETAIL IS VERY, UH, ROBUST HERE.
UM, SO THERE'S ALL TYPES OF, OF, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING INTO THAT AND IT MAKES THAT NUMBER, NUMBER REALLY HIGH.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S HIGH, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT, NOT, YOU KNOW, ALL INTO, ALL INTO ONE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE LARGEST PORTION OF THAT MIGHT BE? IS IT YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UM, MULTIFAMILY, IS THAT A LARGE PORTION OF THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COMES IN? UH, THE OVERALL COMMERCIAL BASE? UM, MULTIFAMILY IS ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THE OVERALL COMMERCIAL BASE.
UM, I'D HAVE TO CHECK ON OFFICE AND RETAIL, BUT UM, I KNOW OFFICE IS AT AT LEAST OUR TOP, UM, I THINK OUR TOP 20 OFFICE THAT I TRACK, UH, MAKE UP, UH, I BELIEVE ABOUT ONE, 1 BILLION IN VALUATIONS.
SO AVERAGE OF ABOUT 50 50 BILLION, UH, FOR THOSE TOP 20 OFFICE BUILDINGS.
UH, RETAIL, THOSE ARE GENERALLY A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THE BIG ONE AT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, UH, WHICH IS ALL CONSIDERED ONE PROPERTY.
BUT A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES ARE MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES AND I MEAN, OVERALL THEY MAKE UP A LARGE MIX, BUT INDIVIDUALLY NOT SO MUCH.
IF WE DELAYED THE PURCHASE OR IMPLEMENTING THE, UH, GUN RANGE, WOULD WE USE A CO IN THE FUTURE TO PURCHASE IT OR WOULD IT BE A BOND? WELL, I, I THINK THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF OPTION OPTIONS ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD BE FOR COUNCIL.
UM, COS COULD BE AN OPTION BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE POLICE FACILITY.
A BOND COULD BE AN OPTION IF YOU'RE DOING A BOND IN, SAY, FIVE YEARS AFTER THIS AND YOU'RE DOING A NUMBER OF OTHER PROJECTS, YOU THROW A GUN RANGE IN THERE.
UM, IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT IT'S A PRIORITY FROM COUNCIL AND THEY SAY, HEY, WE WANNA HAVE A PLAN WHERE WE START TO DRAW DOWN SOME FUND BALANCE OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS OR PUT MONEY IN A RESERVE FOR IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ULTIMATELY COUNCIL COULD JUST HAVE THAT DECISION DECISION.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.
IT'S NOT JUST YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A BOND.
THERE COULD BE OTHER WAYS, RIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE AN APPETITE FOR ANOTHER BOND IN FIVE YEARS GIVEN WHERE OUR TAX RATES ARE.
'CAUSE WE'RE PROBABLY IN THE THIRD HIGHEST, AREN'T WE? WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY UP THERE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN DALLAS COUNTY.
US RICHARDSON, FARMER'S BRANCH CARROLLTON, WE'RE IN THE HIGHEST TIER OF, OF TAX RATES INCLUDE THE COUNTY AND WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE ISD IS THE BIGGEST PART.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THIS WAS REFLECTED AS WE, WE SHOWED ALL THE FINANCIAL MATERIALS.
WHAT IS, THIS WAS A PRIORITY AND SOMETHING WE WANTED TO GO AS SOON AS
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POSSIBLE.BUT THE REASON YOU SEE THE TAX, THE DEBT SWAP DEBT SIDE OF THE TAX RATE, WHERE IT IS, IS BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WRAPPING THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, WE'LL STILL BE ISSUING DEBT FOR THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO THAT WILL HAVE DEBT FALLEN OFF OVER THIS 20 YEARS.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, BY ACCELERATING THIS IS A PRIORITY WE WANNA DO RIGHT NOW.
IT'S COMBINING THAT LAST FEW OR THE LAST TAX RATE IMPACT OF THE 2019 PROGRAM.
WE HAVE THE FUNDS, BUT WE JUST HAVE THE TAX RATE IMPACT COMING ON THAT AND YOU NOT RECOMMENDATION A, A SECOND PROPOSITION TO GO ALONG WITH THE PRIMARY 1 55, A SECOND ONE FOR GUN GUN RANGER TRAINING FACILITY FOR A SECOND PROPOSITION.
'CAUSE I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN CITIES DO TWO PROPOSITIONS BOTH PASSED.
SO I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD SAY MOST BONDS HAVE MORE THAN ONE PROPOSITION.
UM, TYPICALLY THEY'RE FOR DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PARKS OR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I MEAN, ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR, FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE THERE, OBVIOUSLY IN PROS AND CONS TO DOING IT THAT WAY.
YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH, WITH OUR BOND ATTORNEY AND, UM, I'LL GO BACK HOPEFULLY NOT TOO FAR, BUT, UM, TO THAT PROPOSITION LANGUAGE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, ACQUISITION, ACQUISITION IMPROVEMENT, AND POLICE FACILITIES, RIGHT? AND THAT REALLY WOULD ENCOMPASS SOMETHING LIKE A GUN RANGE.
SO THAT'S, SO IF YOU HAD TWO PROPOSITIONS, RIGHT, AND LET'S SAY THAT THE, THAT ONE SPECIFIC TO A GUN RANGE FAILED, WELL, AND THIS, THIS ONE PASSED, DOES, DOES THAT MEAN IF THERE WERE EXCESS PROCEEDS FROM THIS THAT YOU COULDN'T BUILD A GUN RANGE? SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF THAT YOU'RE KIND OF COMBINING TWO, TWO THINGS THAT ARE, ARE SIMILAR, UH, INTO TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS, WHICH, UM, WOULD KIND OF HAVE SOME OVERLAP THERE.
SPEAKING OF FUNDING OPTIONS, WOULD SALES TAX EVER BE ON THE TABLE? I MEAN, IS THAT, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH DART AS TO MAYBE GETTING ANY OF OUR SALES TAX BACK TO HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY FUND? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EYES ARE OPENED, BUT MY EYES WERE OPENED.
I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY BUCKETS OF MONEY AND I, I JUST, I'M, I'M NOT HAPPY.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IF THEY'VE LOOKED AT NEXT DOOR, THEY PROBABLY KNOW I'M REALLY NOT HAPPY WITH, WITH US NOT PRIORITIZING PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET OUR SALES TAX BACK AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY MOVEMENT WITH DART IN GETTING ANY OF OUR SALES TAX BACK.
SO I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO DART AND THE, UM, THE KIND OF THE PROGRAMS THEY'VE HAD TO THIS POINT TO GIVE US REVENUES THAT HAVE GONE TO DART AND COME BACK TO US.
UM, THERE WE HAD ONE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS ON.
UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON, ON WITH THEM, BUT THOSE ARE DEDICATED BECAUSE THEY'VE GONE TO DART, THE SAX HAS GONE TO DART AND THEN IT'S COMING TO US.
THOSE ARE DEDICATED FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
SO WITH DART AS IT EXISTS TODAY, THERE WOULD BE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THOSE ON A PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO IF WE EVER HAD IT ON THE BALLOT IN SIX YEARS, WHATEVER, SIX YEARS, I'LL BE DEAD AND GONE.
MAYBE BY THE TIME THAT IT'S ON THE BALLOT IN SIX YEARS FOR, FOR OUR PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR SALES TAX, IT, WOULD THERE EVER BE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD FUND THINGS FOR THE POLICE AND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OR FOR A FIRE? I MEAN, IS THAT EVEN A DISCUSSION TO HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY FUND WITH OUR SALES TAX TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS? UH, SO I'M, I'M, I JUST, I'M CAUTIOUS ABOUT GOING TOO FAR DOWN I A DARK CONVERSATION, BUT I HEAR YOUR QUESTION AND I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPTIONS ON OUR SALES TAX, RIGHT? OURS, WE HAVE 1% THAT GOES TO GENERAL FUND AS REQUIRED AND 1% THAT GOES TO DART.
IF WE WERE A CITY THAT DID THAT, HAD OPTIONS, YOU COULD DO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH YOUR SALES TAX AS YOU SAW IN ROULETTE AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN SOME OF THOSE COULD BE PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED.
SO TO JUST STRAIGHTFORWARDLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
UM, NOW IF YOU JUST TALK ABOUT SALES TAX OVERALL, SALES TAX IS PART OF OUR, OUR GENERAL FUND AND IT CAN GO TOWARDS CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT IT DOES NOT AND AND HOW WE EXIST, IT IS NOT BACK, IT DOESN'T PAY OUR DEBT SERVICE UNLESS WE WOULD MAKE A TRANSFER.
AND THAT WOULD BE NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD NORMALLY DO.
YOU DON'T TYPICALLY WANNA RELY ON SALES TAX FOR, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN OUR CURRENT SETUP.
UM, AGAIN, CONCERNED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND NOT HAVING THE TRAINING FACILITY AND THEN HOW MUCH WOULD THE GUN RANGE COST IN FIVE YEARS? WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH FARMER'S BRANCH, THEIR PRICE COMPARED TO OURS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT APPLES FOR APPLES, BUT
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THE INFLATION FACTOR AND THE HIGHER COST, THAT GUN RANGE STARTS GOING UP LIKE CRAZY, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'VE GOT MORE MONEY INTO IT.SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE OUR CONCERN IS OF TRYING TO INCLUDE THE GUN RANGE NOW AND NOT PAY A LOT HIGHER PRICE.
TO ME, WAITING IS, IS NOT A, UH, A BIG DEAL BECAUSE IF YOU THINK WE HAVE THREE POINT HALF PERCENT INFLATION, WE WOULD OTHERWISE BE PAYING THAT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT INTEREST ON THE BONDS.
SO TO ME IT'S ALMOST A BREAKEVEN SITUATION.
YOU FOLLOW MY DRIFT, BUT COULDN'T, IF WE GOT ANY OF OUR SALES TAX BACK, COULDN'T IT COVER SOME OF THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WE NEED TO PAY? COULDN'T IT GO TOWARDS THAT? IF WE GOT ANY OF OUR SALES TAX BACK? I WAS STRICTLY TALKING ABOUT THE GUN RANGE.
THE INFLATION OF THE GUN RANGE IS OFFSET BY US NOT PAYING THREE POINT HALF PERCENT INTEREST ON BONDS.
WE ALWAYS THINK FUTURE COSTS ARE A LOT AND THEY ARE MEAN MORE QUESTIONS FOR STEVEN.
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LIKE TO DO NOW IS WE NEED TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS ACTUALLY COMING UP WITH A PROPOSITION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, LEAVE IT OPEN TO THE FLOOR.
ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE FIRST POSITION, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, A MOTION TO, UH, HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO DISCUSS THINGS BECAUSE I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH DART AND WITH THESE OTHER CITIES.
I THINK THAT TO BURDEN OUR TAXPAYERS WITH ANOTHER BOND TO, TO PAY FOR SOMETHING, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS AND FIND OUT MORE AS TO HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY PAY FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
THIS IS SOME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M NOT CHARGED WITH, UH, EVALUATING THE FINANCIAL, UH, CONDITION, UH, THAT THAT'S IS GONNA BE PRESENTED AT THE TIME THAT THIS COAST COUNCIL COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE THAT BURDEN.
UH, THEY ALL HAVE A BETTER, UH, THEIR FINGER ON THE PULSE ALONG WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
I, I BELIEVE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS COME UP WITH A, WITH UM, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ASK THEM TO PROVIDE AND THEN LET CITY COUNCIL DO THAT BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL CAN TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE SEND THEM SEND AND THEY CAN SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT THIS YEAR.
OR THEY CAN SAY, WE'RE GONNA SPLIT UP.
THEY HAVE THE ULTIMATE DECISION AND THEY'RE GONNA SHOULD NOT GOING THROUGH EVERY SCENARIO THAT CAN OR HAPPEN.
WE DON'T SLOW THIS PROCESS DOWN.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE ALSO HERE TO, TO REPRESENT THE TAXPAYERS.
THAT'S WHAT THE EXPERTS HERE FOR.
I'M NOT ON COUNCIL, BUT I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE TAXPAYERS WHO ARE GOING BE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHY I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THINGS, BUT I GUESS IT'S MAJORITY.
SO IF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEN THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
ADVOCATE JUST THE NEEDS TO THE THAT'S WHAT CHARGE.
IT NEEDS TO, IT NEEDS TO, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION, UM, AND MOVE ON.
WE CAN'T KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
WE DECIDE WE'RE GONNA WAIT TO SEE WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE DOES WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE SIX MORE MONTHS.
AND EVERYBODY HERE I THINK, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY IN THIS GROUP FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S A NEEDED, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THE STATION AND EVERYBODY'S ABOUT HOW LONG, SIX, IF DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND I HAVE TO SAY ONE THING THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, WE DO PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THIS TOWN.
I MEAN, YOU MADE A COMMENT A SECOND AGO ABOUT SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AND THAT WE DIDN'T I DISAGREE.
WELL, SIR, I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE SERVED US QUITE A BIT ON COUNCIL ON DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, BUT IT'S A DISGRACE THAT OUR POLICE STATION IS SAT LIKE THAT FOR 43 YEARS.
I'M SORRY THAT, THAT'S MY OPINION.
THAT THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE PRIORITIZE THINGS AND THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
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ARM.I JUST WANTED SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CHARGE FROM THE COUNCIL WAS FOR US TO LOOK AT THESE THREE OPTIONS, REMODELING THE PRESENT FACILITY, UH, LOOKING AT AN EXISTING BUILDING IN TOWN, OUR BUILDING TRUCTURE.
I THINK WE HAVE DISCOUNTED THE REMODELING QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE OF ALL THE REASONS THAT THE STAFF HAS STATED THIS EVENING.
SO REALLY THE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO LOOK AT, UH, TO TELL THE STAFF TO LOOK AT THE TWO OPTIONS OF B AND C AND FOR US TO COME UP WITH AN AMOUNT OF COMFORTABLE COMMENDING TO COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THE COMMITTEE DO, I THINK.
UM, I WOULD ALSO ASK, GOING BACK TO DAVID, YOUR COMMENTS, UH, IN REGARD TO THE GUN RANGE AND, AND AS THINGS MAY CHANGE ONCE THEY GET A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO DESIGN AND COSTS AND WHAT COSTS GO UP, WHAT COSTS GO DOWN.
AND I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE GOT INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE VALUE ENGINEERING BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S A REAL THING.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY PROJECT THAT I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH GOES THROUGH THAT AND, AND IT'S VALUABLE.
UM, WE NEED A FUNCTIONAL FACILITY, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SHOW PLACE AND WE CAN, WE CAN MANAGE THAT WITHIN THAT PROCESS AND THERE WILL BE CHANGES.
SO THAT IS, I'M GLAD WE, WE WENT OVER THAT AND THAT HAS BEEN INTRODUCED FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND I, I AGREE WITH TOM'S ESTIMATE THAT, YOU KNOW, 5% OR MORE, UM, CHANGE IS, IS, I MEAN, IT'S REASONABLE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
MY QUESTION, BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UM, UH, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL KNOWING LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE TO USE IN THE PROPOSITION.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE VOICE TO THE COUNCIL THAT SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE GUN RANGE IS A PRIORITY, OKAY, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE CALL THAT OUT? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, IS THAT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE MAKE TO THEM AND IT IS IT, AND HOW DO WE MAKE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, RENOVATE, UH, BY ACQUIRE A BUILDING AND RENOVATE AS OPPOSED TO A GROUND UP DEVELOPMENT? HOW DO WE DISTINGUISH? BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT POINT, MARKET WILL HAVE CHANGED.
WE, ANOTHER PROPERTY MAY HAVE COME, YOU KNOW, UH, AVAILABLE.
SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE EXPRESS THAT TO THEM? SO THE GOOD NEWS IS FOR YOU ALL, YOU DON'T HAVE A RESTRICTION ON WHAT YOU, THERE'S NO FORMAL LANGUAGE ON WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS.
YOU CAN RECOMMEND HOWEVER YOU LIKE.
YOU COULD HAVE A MOTION THAT RECOMMENDS THAT'S A THREE SENTENCE LONG RECOMMENDATION THAT SAYS, WE RECOMMEND YOU DO THAT.
YOU LOOK AT THESE, THAT YOU DO THIS AMOUNT.
WE NEED TO SAY THIS AMOUNT THAT WE ARE OPEN TO BE THE RENOVATION OR A NEW BILL.
AND THAT WE ALSO BELIEVE COUNCIL YOU, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION MORE EXHAUSTIVE THAN JUST WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE.
I AGREE WITH WHAT NANCY IS SAYING AND ABOUT THE SAFETY IT'S ON AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S TAKING PLACE.
NOW OUR LAST MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 59 AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT INCLUDED A GUN RANGE.
TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 55 AND WE'RE TAKING OFF FOR WHAT THE CHIEF KIND EXPLAINED 25% OF THE EXTRA STRUCTURE.
IS THAT CORRECT? BUT THAT 55 NOW DOES NOT INCLUDE A GUN RANGE.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND TODAY OR AM I NOT CORRECT ON THAT? HI CHIEF, HOW ARE YOU DOING? DOING WELL MA'AM.
HOW ARE YOU DOING? UM, LIKE, UH, MR. GAINES STATED EARLIER THE GUN RANGE OPTION, THOSE ARE GOING TO ALWAYS BE SITE SPECIFIC.
UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, THERE'S A PLACE FOR THAT.
BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, ANOTHER PROPERTY COMES UP THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THAT.
THE 59 MILLION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT FIRST MEETING WAS A, A PLACE FOR GUN RANGE, BUT THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT.
ON TOP OF THAT, NOW THERE'S ALWAYS THAT OPTION AND THAT'S FOR THAT ONE SPECIFIC SITE.
IF THERE'S ANOTHER SITE THAT COMES AVAILABLE OR THROUGH THIS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD THAT WITHIN THAT BUDGET.
WHAT WE WERE ASKED TODAY WAS, HEY, WHAT DOES THIS PROJECT LOOK LIKE IF WE REDUCED IT TO 55? AND THAT'S WHEN WE LOOKED AT REDUCING SOME SPACE PROGRAMMING TO HIT THAT PROJECT TOOL, WHICH IS YOUR 25%.
BUT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, IT, WE'RE KIND OF JUST GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL AS LOOKING AT, AS WE GET THAT WE MIGHT HAVE PROJECT SAVINGS TO WHERE WHEN WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH, THERE'S THE, THE COST ESCALATIONS CAME IN LOWER, SO NOW WE HAVE THIS BUCKET OF MONEY WE CAN ADD THE GUN RANGE ON TO IT.
WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SAY EARLIER IS THAT
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TO, UH, DAVID'S POINT WAS IF YOU WANT, BY ALL MEANS TO ADD THIS GUN RANGE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU SHOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT IS GONNA INCREASE THE COST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GUARANTEE TO HAVE THOSE SAVINGS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT THAT WILL COVER THAT.SO THAT 59 MILLION COULD THERE BE SAVINGS THROUGH THE PROJECT? POSSIBLY, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT, YOU WOULD NEED TO GO AHEAD AND INCREASE THAT AMOUNT OR MAKE THAT A PRIORITY IN THE LANGUAGES.
WE WANT A PROJECT THAT INCLUDES THIS AND THIS IS WHAT THAT ESTIMATED AMOUNT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO CAN YOU BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE? YES MA'AM.
SO WHAT NANCY IS SAYING, WONDERFUL, RIGHT, AS DAVID EXPLAINED, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL AND WE DISCUSSED IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL RIGHT NOW IF THE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE, IF WE COULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK TO HAVE A GUN RANGE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING THAT IS NECESSARY? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE EVER HAVE A CHIEF COME UP HERE AND SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE ADDITIONAL TRAINING FACILITIES THAT WE CAN PUT THIS IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE COUNCIL TO TRY TO MAKE IT WORK SOMEWHERE TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS GUN RANGE.
SO, UM, SO KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION ONE WAY, SAY YOU SAY YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE I'M GONNA USE 55 AS AN EXAMPLE, 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, IT CAN BE A DIFFERENT NUMBER AS YOU GO FORWARD.
SAY IT'S 55 AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT SHOWING A BUDGET THAT INCLUDES IT.
YOU COULD HAVE A MOTION THAT SAYS 55, UH, UM, A MAXIMUM OF 55 MILLION THAT IS OPEN TO RENOVATION OR NEW BUILD.
AND YOU COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT SENTENCE INCLUDE IT THAT PRIORITIZES A GUN RANGE AS FEASIBLE AS POSSIBLE, THAT PRIORITIZES A GUN RANGE AS MONEY'S AVAILABLE.
YOU CAN MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S UNDERSTANDING IT'S NOT INCLUDED RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WANT THIS TO BE THE FIRST ADDITION TO IT.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR 55 MILLION AND THE PROJECT COMES IN AT 49, ARE YOU THEN AT YOU, YOU CAN THEN USE THE 6 MILLION TO BUILD THE GUN RANGE? CORRECT? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPECIFIED, BUT IF WE COME IN UNDER BUDGET, THEN YOU CAN EXTEND AND BUILD BECAUSE OUR WHAT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE POT IS 55 MILLION.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THAT STEVEN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE EARLIER.
THE LANGUAGE IS BROAD ENOUGH FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THAT IT ENCOMPASSES A GUN RANGE.
SO IF WE CAME IN UNDER FOR WHATEVER REASON, LAND ACQUISITION COSTS WOULD DECREASED T WE COULD USE THAT MONEY ON THE GUN, YOU COULD USE IT.
I I'M IN FAVOR OF MAKING SURE WE DO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT DOES TALK ABOUT THE GUN RANGE PRIORITY.
UH, I WANNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.
UH, GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THE GUN RANGE JUST NOW, EVERYONE MAKES VERY GOOD POINTS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH, WHAT WE NEED TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL AND WHO'S MAKES THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE COUNCIL, IT'S GONNA BE THE VOTERS.
WE ALL AS HOMEOWNERS AND RESIDENTS, WE'RE THE ONES THAT GET TO MAKE THE DECISIONS.
WE'RE THE ONE THAT GETS TO VOTE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE OF THAT.
SO DO I HEAR A RECOMMENDATION? GET THE BALL ROLLING HERE.
I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE THIS GROUP TO CONSIDER, UH, PUTTING INTO THE LANGUAGE, UH, CEILING OF, UH, 1559.
I, I, I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT REDUCING THE, THE FOOTPRINT FOR THIS COST.
WE'RE ALREADY, WE'RE ALREADY IN A FACILITY THAT'S A CHALLENGE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND BY STARTING OUT WITH A SMALLER THAN WHAT WE BELIEVE WE NEED.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SETTING RIGHT PRECEDENTS, I BELIEVE.
SO I WOULD PASS THAT WE CONSIDER, UH, PUTTING IN THE LANGUAGE THAT'S GONNA PRIORITIZE THE GUN RANGE AND I WOULD RECOMMEND A 59 59.
THE OPTIONS OF B OR C WELL, WE WANNA DO IS LIKE DAVID SAID, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS COMMITTEE FELT THAT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO PRIORITIZE, UH, A MODERN, A MODERN POLICE STATION, WHICH INCLUDES A GUN RANGE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT PROBABILITIES OF THE VOTER APPROVAL.
AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE PROBABLE ABSOLUTELY A LOWER NUMBER AND THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE COUNCIL.
UH, ARE WE RECOMMENDING TO THE COUNCIL THOUGH, UH, ONE OF THE TYPES OF NEW BUILD OR
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A EXISTING, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING BESIDES THE AMOUNT.SO I THINK, AND WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THIS COMMITTEE IS THAT OPENNESS TO BOTH.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE MOTION THAT YOU STATE THAT WE ARE OPEN TO EITHER OPTION OF A NEW YEAH, SO SORRY, CHAIR BEFORE WE GET IN.
SO WE'RE THE TEST MARKET, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE THE CITIZENS, WE'RE THE VOTERS, WE'RE THE TAXPAYERS, AND SO WE'RE THE TEST MARKET FOR THIS.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT 55 TO 59 OR, OR DO WE HAVE, DO WE WANNA GIVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT OR JUST WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO GIVE A MOTION? SO HOW DO WE COME UP WITH FIFTIES AS A NUMBER THAT THE VOTERS MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE? I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT PLANO 155 MILLION FOR THEIR POLICE STATION.
THOSE BRAND NEW POLICE STATIONS, RIGHT? BUT FUNDED.
I KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE AT AND, AND THEIR TAX RATES ARE MUCH LOWER THAN OURS.
BUT HOW DO WE COME UP? HOW DO WE ALL DECIDE THAT THE FIFTIES IS THAT NUMBER? NOW WE KNOW IT BECAUSE WE LEARNED A LOT HERE AS A GROUP.
WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT IS, BUT WHERE DOES THIS FIFTIES STOP US AND WHY IS IT NOT 62 TO LOOK LIKE A LOW, LOW NUMBER VERSUS 52? UH, SO THAT WAS REALLY A DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMITTEE AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING AS Y'ALL WENT AROUND AND SPOKE, I THINK THERE WAS A NUMBER, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS.
I WOULD KIND OF TURN THE QUESTION TO THE COMMITTEE ITSELF.
SO EVERYBODY WAS, EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT THEN THE FIFTIES JUST SOUNDS LIKE A NUMBER THAT WAS NUMBER HEARD AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THAT BACK.
BUT I THINK IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AMONGST YOU.
ALL RIGHT NOW, I I THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO SAY 35 TO 40 MILLION AND THEN TRY TO GET OUR SALES TAX BACK TO PAY FOR SOME THINGS.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION CHAIR.
MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? DO, DO YOU THINK WE COULD GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE AGAIN OF GOING AROUND THE ROOM AND FINDING OUT WHAT EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH? WE COULD DO THAT.
UM, UM, I THINK THE GUN RANGE IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
UH, WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED, I KNOW, UH, RON, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT PERCEPTIONS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
I THINK EVERYONE BELIEVES THAT MOST EVERYONE I THINK HAS A FEELING, UH, A A A RE TAKING AN OLD BUILDING AND REFURBISHING IT OR, UM, A BRAND NEW FACILITY IS, IS NEEDED.
BUT I THINK THE PERCEPTION OF AT TAJ MAHAL, THE PERCEPTION OF THAT.
AND IF, IF WE DON'T, AND I I REALLY LIKE WHAT TOM SAID ABOUT FUNCTIONALITY AND HAVING A BUILDING THAT WORKS AND I THINK THE 55 NUMBER IS, IS, IS A NUMBER THAT CAN WORK.
THERE COULD BE, UH, LESS THAT'S SPENT THAT COULD BE USED LATER.
AND I THINK WE JUST PUT IT ASIDE, WE HAVE AN EXISTING GUN RANGE AS IT IS AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF YOU, YOU PUT THE GUN RANGE IN THERE TO SOME DEGREE, I THINK IT BECOMES A CLUB TO BLUDGEON THIS TO THE POINT IT LOSES AT THE BALLOT BOX.
SO I'LL STAY WITH A 55 AND, AND DON'T INCLUDE THE GUN RANGE CONVERSATION.
I, I'M GOOD WITH A 55 ALSO AND I FEEL GOOD THAT THE VALUE ENGINEERING IS GONNA KEEP THE QUALITY WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
I LIKE THE 55, BUT ON THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GUN RANGE IS IMPORTANT.
SO IF WE HAVE THE SAVINGS IN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, THAT THE GUN RANGE IS SOMETHING THAT WE KEEP ON THE TABLE, THAT THE MONEY JUST DOESN'T BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
THAT THE GUN RANGE BE ACTUALLY PART OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT.
I THINK WHEN WE, UH, DID THIS THE FIRST TIME I WAS MORE IN THE 58 OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I'M STILL GOOD IF WE, IF WE MOVE IT UP TO 58 AND I CAN ALSO SUPPORT, I'M STILL GOOD ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS A COMMITTEE, TAKE IT TO THE, TO THE COUNCIL AT 55.
BUT YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M REALLY THINKING THAT AROUND 58 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS STILL PALATABLE.
I'M VERY, VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT THE, THE, THE SAME THING THAT WAS MENTIONED AS FAR AS UM, WE WANT IT TO SUCCEED AT THE BALLOT BOX.
UM, SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M THANK YOU.
UM, I THINK 58 WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE TOURS WITH THE POLICE STATIONS.
I THINK THAT THERE IS ABOUT 10% NOW, AND I THINK IF YOU COME BACK DOWN AFTER OFF OF
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THAT 58 AND YOU'RE GONNA GET ABOUT 6 MILLION OFF OF THAT, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND THE CITY CAN FUND THAT OTHER MILLION AND YOU CAN GET YOUR RANGE OFF THAT I'M REALLY NOT, UM, THAT HUNG UP ON THE NUMBER TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.UH, I FEEL LIKE THAT, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING HASN'T REALLY BEEN DESIGNED YET.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AND I'LL SAY CHIEF'S CREDIT, HE HAS, HE HAS SAID ALL ALONG, HE WANTS SOMETHING FUNCTIONAL.
HE'S NOT LOOKING FOR THE CASTLE ON THE HILL, RIGHT.
AND I I YOU'RE TO BE COMPLIMENTED FOR THAT CHIEF, HE REALLY WANTS IT TO BE FUNCTIONAL AND OPERATIONAL TOO.
SO ONCE WE GET INTO THE DESIGN, UM, PART OF THIS WE'LL KNOW BETTER.
I CAN GO WITH WHATEVER THE MAJORITY FEELS IT'S AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER.
BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO MIGHT FIND AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT IS $20 MILLION AND THEN WE'VE GOT 3 MILLION TO DO WHATEVER.
SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
SO I COULD GO WITH THE 55 OR THE 58, JUST WHATEVER THE MAJORITY FEELS IS, UH, IS APPROPRIATE.
I I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON IT.
I, MY MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WE COULD SAY 58, WE COULD SAY 62, WE CAN SAY 75 AND WE WOULD SPEND IT.
SO MY CHALLENGE IS, OKAY, THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF DOING ESTIMATE ESTIMATION ON, ON, YOU KNOW, AS THEORETICAL BUILDING, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT REALLY IS YET.
MY CHALLENGE IS, OKAY, WITH VALUE ENGINEERING WE CAN SAVE 10%.
SO I I AGREE WITH 55 AND I DON'T, I MEAN THAT'S FINE TO SAY WE DO PRIOR.
I MEAN WE DO THINK THE GUN RANGE IS IMPORTANT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT THIS THING NOT TO PASS.
RIGHT? THAT THAT'D BE THE WORST.
THEN, THEN WHAT DO WE HAVE THEN WE DON'T THEN WE DON'T HAVE A NEW POLICE STATION AND WE DON'T HAVE A GUN RANGE.
UM, IT, IT WILL NOT LIMIT, BUT IT WILL REQUIRE SELECTING A SITE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE GUN RANGE.
ASSUMING WE PRIORITIZE THAT, WE WANT IT DEPENDING ON THE COST, DEPEND ON ALL THIS TIME.
SO I'M PLACE STAFF GETS WHAT THEY NEED.
UM, ONE THINGS RED HERE IS THAT WE'RE INVESTING ON THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE BADGE.
NOT JUST CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE THING, BUT WE HAVE THESE HUGE EVENTS.
YOU'VE HEARD IN THE NEWS ABOUT ALL THESE, THESE THESE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN A LOT PEOPLE, AND WE'RE NOT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POLICE, POLICE STAFF PROPERLY TRAINED.
AND I DON'T WANT US TO BE TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE.
I WANT US BE TALKING ABOUT OUR AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
SO I GONNA VOTE 58, I'M GONNA GIVE WHAT THEY NEED.
INVESTING ANY PEOPLE, I'M GONNA BE CHEAP ABOUT IT EITHER, YOU KNOW, JUST SO MY VOTE 58, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH 58 ALSO, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED.
I WAS HOPING WE WERE GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON OR C AND I WAS HOPING IT WAS GONNA BE CA NEW BUILDING JUST BECAUSE IT GETS THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT AND IT DOESN'T NEED REMODELING DOWN THE ROAD AS QUICKLY AS GOING INTO AN OLD BUILDING AND WITH AN OLD BUILDING OR, UM, YOU GOT A LOT OF WHAT IFS, HOW IS IT GONNA BE SHAPED HOW YOU CAN DESIGN IT.
CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP EVERYBODY CLOSER TOGETHER.
UM, SO THE PRICING, YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
I MEAN IT'S JUST A LOT OF OPEN QUESTION MARKS ON BC IS KIND OF, IT'S IT'S WHAT, IT'S ALREADY EVEN
I THINK THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS.
I THINK WE'RE JUST THROWING SPAGHETTI ON THE WALL AND I THINK THAT IT'S JUST LIKE WE, OUR COUNCILS, WE'VE SPENT MONEY, OUR TAXPAYERS HAVE SPENT MONEY FOR ALL THESE EXPERTS TO GIVE US THEIR OPINION
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AS TO HOW MUCH THINGS ARE AND, AND WE PAID FOR THEM TO COME HERE AND TELL US.AND WE LISTEN TO ALL OF OUR EXPERTS ON ALL THE THINGS EXCEPT ON THIS.
AND NOW SUDDENLY YOU'RE THE EXPERTS WHO ARE COMING UP WITH A NUMBER AND WE'RE JUST THROWING OUT A NUMBER AND WE WANT A GUN RANGE AND WE WANT PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE WANT THEM TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GET A, A PUBLIC SAFETY FUND.
I THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH DART.
I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION AND I THINK I, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ANY OF THIS AND THAT'S HOW I FEEL.
AND I, I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I KNOW I'M MORE EMOTIONS THAN FACTS, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH ME.
BUT I JUST, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT ANY OF THIS.
WELL, I WANNA REMIND THIS GROUP THAT PREVIOUS COUNCILS AND INCLUDING THIS ONE HAVE ALWAYS STEPPED UP AND PROVIDED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE, THE TRAINING AND, AND THE BACKING THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR.
I CAN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT, UM, THE CHIEFS HAVE COME TO US AND ASKED FOR THIS PARTICULAR TRAINING OR SUPPORT THAT THE TOWN HAS NOT RESPONDED POSITIVELY.
THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS, WE DIDN'T ALWAYS, UH, PROVIDE IT TO THE LAST DOLLAR THAT THEY ASKED.
HOWEVER, UM, WE WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.
UH, UH, UH, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE CONTINUE TO HAPPEN WITH THE CURRENT COUNCIL.
OH, AND I GO WITH 68 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S WITH THE GUN RANGE.
SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE MR WELL I RESTATED THAT I STARTED THIS OFF SO.
WELL, UH, BRC HAVE A NEW FACILITY WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE THAT WAY AGAIN, NO ADDITIONAL REPAIRS COMING UP ANYTIME SOON.
I DO THINK THEY NEED THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HARDER IN THE FUTURE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY FOR A GUN RANGE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND TRY TO PUT IT IN THERE.
I LIKE 58 TOO, BUT I STILL BELIEVE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT THE GUN RANGE IN THERE CHAIR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MAYBE I'M NOT REMEMBERING RIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T ALWAYS REMEMBER THINGS.
BUT WASN'T IT 68 MILLION WITH THE GUN RANGE FOR THE NEW BUILDING OPTION, WASN'T THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO.
RIGHT AROUND 70 MILLION, 59 AND PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 9 MILLION FOR THE GUN RANGE.
GONNA HAVE UH, JASON COME UP TO SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND OR CHIEF TO SPEAK TO THE AMOUNT OF THE COST WITH THE GUN RANGE.
I THINK IT'S CORRECT THAT IT'S OKAY.
I THINK, I THINK MR. GAINES CONFIRMED THAT THAT NUMBER WAS CORRECT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA TAKE THAT FOR THE BANK.
MAKE RECOMMENDATION, A RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME, UH, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE AMOUNT OF NOT TO EXCEED RATHER $55 MILLION AND THAT THE GENERAL, THE LANGUAGE IS GENERAL ENOUGH TO WHERE IT WILL PROVIDE FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION OR A REMODEL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING AN EXISTING BUILDING AND REMODELING.
THAT'S MODELING CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT.
WELL ADD IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I I YOU WANNA JUST SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, HOPE IT'S BEEN A GOOD EXPERIENCE.
YOU, WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE COMMITTED TO THIS PROCESS.
THREE QUESTION YOU'VE ASKED AND UM, THE YOU SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UH, AS MENTIONED ON TUESDAY FIVE 15, WE'LL BE WORK SESSION WILL BEGIN WITH COUNCIL.
UM, UH, WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION REMINDER KICK IT OFF TO REPRESENT COMMITTEE, BUT WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU'RE ABLE BE THERE.
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THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT WE HAVE CARVED OUT, UM, ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY ON FEBRUARY THE THIRD THERE A WORK SESSION IF COUNCIL NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL TIME FOR DISCUSSION.BUT OUR GOAL IS TO TAKE THE ORDINANCE ON FEBRUARY THE 10TH FOR AS NOTED HERE LAST DAY FOR THE FEBRUARY YOU FOR BEING THE CHAIR.
WE APPRECIATE YOU FOR BEING THE CHAIR.