[00:00:01]
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUORUM TONIGHT.
[1. Call Meeting to Order]
UH, LET'S, UH, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER TONIGHT.
IF YOU RECALL, WE, UH, DISCUSSED SEVERAL OPTIONS LAST GO AROUND AND WE'VE GOT HONED IT DOWN TO TWO OPTIONS.
AND, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ABLE TO GO TO ROANOKE OR CARROLLTON TO VISIT THOSE FACILITIES, THAT THAT WAS GOOD, GREAT, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SEE HOW THINGS WORK AND TO GET A SENSE OF THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING.
ROANOKE IS PROBABLY CLOSER TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAN CARROLLTON, BUT UM, IT ALSO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE ADJACENCIES THAT, UH, ARE REQUIRED WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING A BUILDING FROM SCRATCH.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS A GOOD, UH, THING TO ATTEND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, SO WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED? UM, WANNA BEGIN WITH THE EIGHT MINUTES FIRST? OH, OH,
UM, SO, UH, DO WE HEAR A MOTION TO
[a. Consider action on the Minutes from the November 20, 2025 Bond Advisory Committee Meeting. ]
ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING? SECOND.THERE'S A MOTION BY JIM KER, SECOND BY SCOTT.
SO FOR, SO PARDON ME ALL THEY ALL IN FAVOR? OH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
MEETINGS, MINUTES ACCEPTED THEN.
UH, SO, UM, MR. CHAIR MAY BE RECOGNIZED TOO ABOUT SOME OLD BUSINESS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE AGENDA.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REALLY THANK, UH, CHIEF, FORMER CHIEF, UM, REDDEN AND CHIEF, UH, WILLIAMS, AS WELL AS OUR CHIEF AND ASSISTANT, UM, CHIEF AND SWORN OFFICERS FOR ALL OF THEIR TIME.
UH, WITH THE TOURS, IT BE A CRITIQUE, YOU KNOW, BEING A CRITIC OF SOMETHING OR, OR TRYING TO EVALUATE SOMETHING AS LIKE BEING A RESTAURANT CRITIC WITHOUT GOING TO OTHER RESTAURANTS.
SO, UM, AND IT WAS ALSO VERY BENEFICIAL TO SEE WHAT MAY BE OUT THERE AS OPTIONS OR WHAT MAY BE, UM, IN THE MARKET.
SO I TRULY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME.
AS WELL AS, UH, MR. CAVE FROM GFF.
[b. Review the Committee Questions & Answers document. ]
UH, THING IN THE ORDER IS, UH, TO, UH, DISCUSS OR REVIEW THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS THAT MANY OF YOU SUBMITTED.SO IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET THAT WE SENT OUT, UM, WE HAD A COMMITTEE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS DOCUMENT.
UM, SO THAT DOCUMENT DOES CONTAIN SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED SINCE THE LAST MEETING FROM A COMMITTEE MEMBER, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DISPERSE THAT TO EVERYONE.
SO YOU ALL HAD THE SAME INFORMATION.
UM, A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THAT, UH, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS DOCUMENT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED FOR YOU.
AND IF YOU HAD ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM NOW OR AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
NOT HEARING ANY
[c. Present and discuss topics related to the purpose and charge of the Bond Advisory Committee, including but not limited to: Further review and discussion of Options B and C, including concepts, considerations, and preliminary cost estimates Address questions from the prior meeting and from the Committee ]
THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.SO WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE TOPICS, UH, RELATED TO THE BOND ADVISORIES COMMITTEE, UH, BUT NOT LIMITED TO OPTIONS B AND C, INCLUDING CONCEPTS.
I DO WANNA MENTION SOMETHING THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THESE DIAGRAMS AND THESE GRAPHICS ARE, THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, SO WE DON'T WANNA GET HUNG UP ON THE DETAILS.
IT'S REALLY TO GIVE US A SENSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE SPACES AS WELL AS THE MAGNITUDE OR SIZE OF THE BUILDING RELATIVE TO THE RESPECTIVE SITE.
SO, WELL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
UM, THIS IS MEANT TO BE INTERACTIVE, SO WE'RE GONNA PAUSE IN A LOT OF SLIDES AND PLACES, UM, SO THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN ASK, ASK QUESTIONS, OR HAVE DIALOGUE.
UM, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND START THE PRESENTATION JUST AS A REVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE COMMITTEE'S PROCESS AND NEXT STEPS.
UM, WE WENT OVER THE SLIDE PREVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF THE COMMITTEE'S CHARGE.
IT'S HERE FOR REFERENCE IF WE NEED TO COME BACK TO IT.
UM, THIS IS THE SCHEDULE FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETING.
SO WE'VE HELD TWO SO FAR, AND AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 20TH, UM, WE REVIEWED THE SPACE PROGRAM AND THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS PERFORMED BY THE ARCHITECT OVER THE LAST YEAR
[00:05:01]
WITH TOWN STAFF.WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH AND REFINING THAT SPACE NEEDS PROGRAM.
AND THEN WE TOOK THAT PROGRAM AND DEVELOPED IT INTO FIVE OPTIONS, UM, BASED ON COUNCIL'S CHARGE FOR THE COMMITTEE.
AND THOSE ARE THE FIVE OPTIONS THAT WERE REVIEWED AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND THE COMMITTEE DECIDED TO NARROW THE FOCUS, UM, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS TO OPTIONS B AND C.
UM, SO TONIGHT, UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER FOR FOLLOW-UP INFORMATION AND DIVE MORE INTO OPTIONS B AND C.
WE DO PLAN TO HOLD THAT FINAL MEETING ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 8TH.
UM, AND THAT'LL BE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SO OUR GOALS TONIGHT, UM, FOR THIS MEETING, LIKE I SAID, ARE TO FURTHER GO INTO OPTIONS B AND C.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SLIDES PUT TOGETHER.
UM, CHIEF'S ACTUALLY GOING TO, CHIEF RECE IS GONNA COME UP AND GO OVER THOSE FIRST THREE SUB BULLET POINTS, REVIEWING AGAIN, OPTIONS B AND C, THE BEST PRACTICES FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THE CONCEPTUAL OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, UM, AS WELL AS SOME MORE INFORMATION ON GUN, GUN RANGE OPTIONS FOR B AND C.
I KNOW THE COMMITTEE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT LAST TIME.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO SOME INFORMATION ON ALTERNATIVE SITES IF THE SITES ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS EXAMPLES FOR B AND C, WHAT'S SOME PERSPECTIVE IF WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT LAND OR AREAS IN TOWN.
AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK INTO, UM, THE PROJECT MILESTONES AND COST ESTIMATES.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND INSIGHT THAT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU ON THE COST ESTIMATES THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED FOR BNC.
AND THEN LASTLY, STEVEN GLICKMAN, OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, WILL GO OVER SOME MORE FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND TAX RATE PRODUCTIONS ON BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS.
OUR GOAL AGAIN, IS TO HEAR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THIS MEETING SO THAT YOU ALL FEEL PREPARED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BY THE JANUARY 8TH MEETING.
LIKE LAST, LAST MEETING WHERE WE WENT AROUND THE TABLE WITH QUESTIONS.
I THINK TODAY WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS AFTER EACH ONE OF THESE TOPICS.
AND, UH, I THINK THIS JUST, YOU KNOW, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF KEEP A LITTLE BIT OF ORDER.
'CAUSE THIS IS OUR, THE BEST CHANCE THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY POKE THROUGH AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, EACH OF THESE, UH, CONCEPTS BRING TO THE TABLE.
WITH THAT, I'LL INVITE CHIEF FREE STEP TO GO THROUGH OPTIONS B AND C.
UH, CHRIS, FREE CHIEF OF POLICE.
UH, SO TONIGHT WE WILL REVIEW OPTIONS B AND C FROM THE LAST MEETING.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, THE, UM, POTENTIAL FOR EXPANDING ON THOSE.
AND LIKE, UH, THE CHAIR SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE, UH, ASK AS WE GO ALONG.
UH, SO JUST AS A REMINDER, OPTION B WAS LOOKING AT, UH, RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING SITE.
OPTION C WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THIS IS A SLIDE THAT WE HAD UP AT THE LAST MEETING JUST SHOWING, UM, THE BENEFITS AND CHALLENGES OF EACH SITE.
UM, SO IF WE LOOK THROUGH THERE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHAT EACH SITE DOES INCLUDE, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, AND THIS IS JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE STARTING OFF WITH OPTION B.
THIS WAS, THIS IS AN OPTION OF EXIST OF RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING SITE.
UM, THE CURRENT SITE, AGAIN, IS A PROPOSED SITE.
UM, SO WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UH, IT DOES OFFER, UM, IT'S A THREE, IT WOULD BE A THREE STORY BUILD.
UM, IT DOES HAVE, UH, AMPLE PARKING.
UM, THE BUILDING SIZE IS SUFFICIENT.
UH, YOU CAN REUSE SOME OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A SUPPORT BUILDING OR A COURTROOM.
UM, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, A GUN RANGE ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UH, IT DOES INCLUDE, UH, AMPLE PARKING AND THE AMPLE SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON THE CURRENT NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
UH, SO THIS PARTICULAR CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THIS, UH, BEING A THREE FLOOR BUILDING.
HOWEVER, THIS IS GEN JUST CONCEPTUAL FOR AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, IN THE FUTURE, WHO KNOWS WHAT SITES COULD BE AVAILABLE.
BUT YEAH, IF YOU'RE ASKING, UH, A THING FOR ME IS TO HAVE ALL MY PEOPLE ON ONE FLOOR.
SO I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET USED TO, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK, IF YOU COULD JUST PUSH THE GREEN BUTTON, THAT'D BE GREAT.
I FINISH THE EACH OPTION AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS.
THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UH, RECEIVING THAT, GOING THROUGH THAT, THE FLOOR PLAN WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE, RIGHT, UH, IT BEING THREE FLOORS, IT DOES KIND OF STRATIFY OPERATIONS, UH, WITH THE CURRENT, UM, WAY THAT THIS SITE IS, UH, BUILT, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE
[00:10:01]
OPERATIONS, UH, BEING STRUNG OUT AMONG MULTIPLE FLOORS.ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT PROPOSED SITE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SITE IS JUST A POSSIBLE SITE, AND I SEE THAT, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE IT'S EXTRA 10,000, 12,000 SQUARE FOOT.
MY QUESTION IS, IF WE WENT DOWN THIS PATH, AND IF IT'S NOT THIS BUILDING OR ANOTHER BUILDING SIMILAR WITH EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE, IS THERE, IT'S PROBABLY MORE TO OR PROBABLY BOTH OF YOU GUYS, IS THERE AN OPTION TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR OTHER MUNICIPAL SERVICES? MEANING COULD THIRD FLOOR BE USED FOR, FOR FINANCE OR, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE A MIX? I'M SAYING, DO THEY HAVE A MIX, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL SERVICES INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING? SO I'LL LET, I'LL LET CHIEF TALK TO THE OPERATIONAL PIECE.
I, IT IS, IT'S NOT OVERLY COMMON WHERE YOU HAVE A POLICE STATION AND YOU ADD OTHER THINGS JUST BECAUSE IT'S SECURITY AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY YOU CANNOT DO IT.
AND THERE MAY BE SOME PIECES THAT MAKE SENSE.
MAYBE IT FINANCE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT DOES MAKE SOME SENSE TO DO IT.
BUT YOU PROBABLY WANNA BE SELECTIVE IN WHAT YOU PUT OVER THERE.
BUT I'LL LET CHIEF SPEAK TO MORE OPERATIONALLY HOW IT COULD LOOK.
SECURITY BEING THE BIGGEST THING.
UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO THE PD, THERE'S, UH, ADDITIONAL SECURITY REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE TO MEET.
BUT THEN ALSO JUST THE EVERYDAY OPERATIONS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF FINANCE WOULD LIKE TO WATCH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT REASONS.
UM, SOMETIMES WE GET PEOPLE NOT IN THE BEST OF DAYS COMING INTO THE PD.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT, THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO SOME YOU WOULD LIKE TO MATCH YOUR NEEDS WITH A BUILDING.
UH, I THINK A, A, A GOOD POINT THAT WE TOUCHED ON LAST TIME, BUT TO REITERATE, THAT GOES OFF, THAT IS OPTION B THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OFFICE.
IF WE'RE GOING WITH THAT, IT COULD, AND ONE, ONE OBVIOUSLY NEGATIVE OF B THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS YOU DON'T HAVE SPACE FOR THE GUN RANGE.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE FIND AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT DOES HAVE SPACE FOR A GUN RANGE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT WOULD GO TO OFFICE B, BUT YOU ARE SOMEWHAT LOOKING FOR A UNICORN THAT HITS A LOT OF WHAT YOU NEED IN THE STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE NATURE OF LOOKING FOR AN EXISTING BUILDING.
WELL WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING IN THE 48,000, 50,000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A BUILDING THAT'S GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT.
ULTIMATELY IT'S NOT WHAT THE CHIEF WOULD LIKE AND OFFICERS ARE LIKE.
SO MR. HUNT, WAS IT UNUSUAL TO HAVE A POLICE STATION WITH MIXED USE THINGS UNDER USUALLY EVERY POLICE STATION THAT I'VE BEEN IN, NOT ILLEGALLY, UM, NOT UNINVITED, UM, HAS BEEN A STANDALONE POLICE STATION, LIKE YOU SAID.
AND YOU, YOU DID WORD THE ELEMENT THAT YOU COULD DEAL WITH VERY NICELY.
UM, BUT SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A MIXED USE BUILDING AS A RULE FOR A POLICE STATION, AM I CORRECT? TYPICALLY, YES, SIR.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IF WE WOULD GET AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS ONE STORY.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, AT KELLER SPRINGS AND ADDISON ROAD, THERE IS FOR SALE, A ONE STORY COMPLEX AREA, AND IT'S, SO IT'S CLOSE TO THE ADDISON TOLL TUNNEL THAT'S CLOSE TO THE TOLL WEIGHT.
I MEAN, HAVE WE CONSIDERED, WHAT IF WE REMODELED AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS ONE FLOOR THAT HAD THE, THE SPACE THAT YOU WOULD NEED? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED, UH, THAT PARTICULAR SITE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, AGAIN, IT GOES INTO WHAT'S AVAILABLE, THE COST, UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
'CAUSE ALL THAT'S ALL ROLLED INTO, YOU KNOW, THE BOND LANGUAGE YOU ALL BE, UH, TALKING ABOUT.
UM, BUT THAT PARTICULAR SITE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT FROM THE BARBECUE PLACE.
THERE'S LIKE AN OLDER OFFICE COMPLEX.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT? NOT THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLY NOT, NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION, NOT FAMILIAR WITH LIKE, THE SCHEMATICS OF IT, UH, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD GO INTO LOOKING AT THAT POTENTIAL SITE.
I, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING, SO LET'S JUST TAKE ANY GENERIC SITE LIKE THAT, IS YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE UP MORE SPACE WITH THE BUILDING AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO PARKING, PARKING ON TOP OF IT.
SO JUST ONE VARIABLE WOULD BE YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE BY NOT HAVING THE DENSITY AND NOT HAVING THE HEIGHT.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA NEED TO HAVE MORE ACREAGE FOR THE SITE.
[00:15:01]
PLAY INTO THE FINANCIALS OF IT.UM, AND THAT'S SEPARATE FROM ANY KIND OF THE OPERATIONAL ISSUES.
BUT AS FAR AS COULD YOU MAKE A ONE STORY POLICE STATION WORK? I MEAN, THERE'S CERTAINLY GONNA BE WAYS TO DO IT.
THERE JUST COULD BE DRAWBACKS TO IT AS FAR AS THE, UM, CONVERTING AN EXISTING BUILDING.
WAS THERE A SECOND OR A THIRD BECAUSE YOU ONLY SHOWED ONE FACILITY, UH, THAT WAS AN OPTION AT THIS TIME.
THAT WAS, OF ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE FOR SALE RIGHT NOW, IT WAS THE BEST OPTION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO JUST HONE ON IT IN ON IT AS AN EXAMPLE.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT WORKED REALLY WELL THAT WORKED FOR SALE RIGHT NOW.
BUT CHIEF, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS.
YEAH, WE LOOKED AT NUMEROUS ONES INTO, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER'S POINT THIS PARTICULAR SITE, IT HAS AN EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE.
PARKING IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITH PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE TOURS AND ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE HAVE IN THE CURRENT SITE.
SO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WHY WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME LOOKING, THIS IS, IT CHECKED A LOT OF BOXES AND IT IS CURRENT, IT WAS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE AND STILL IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING THIS, THAT'S WHY WE REALLY LOOKED AT IT.
BUT YOU CAN TAKE THOSE SAME IDEAS AND APPLY IT TO OTHER BUILDINGS IF THEY COME AVAILABLE AS WELL.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH TOO, IS IF ON THIS OPTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE HAVE A BOND ELECTION, IT'S GONNA TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS TO DESIGN AND DO WHATEVER, BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DOING A REMODEL ON A BUILDING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME.
I'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS AROUND TOWN AND SOME PROPERTY AROUND TOWN AND, AND YES, IT'S NOT FOR SALE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT THING ABOUT THE CITY.
YOU CAN PLAN ANYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY THAT YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW,
AND SO, BUT YOU KNOW, AS AN OPTION, THE DIFFICULTY OF THIS IS, UM, THERE ARE SOME BUILDINGS THAT I THINK MIGHT WORK, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, REALISTICALLY WHEN WE GET READY TO DO THIS, WILL THEY BE AVAILABLE? WILL THEY BE FOR SALE? SO I I I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS DECISION TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO AN EXISTING BUILDING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WE WANT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE GONNA GEAR EVERYTHING TOWARD REMODELING SOMETHING, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT AS AN OPTION.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I THINK IT'S ALSO A GOOD, AND YOU KNOW, YOU TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT AS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CHARGE AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION COULD ULTIMATELY BE FROM THE COMMITTEE, THE BROAD BOND PROPOSITION CAN BE WRITTEN AS BROADLY AS IT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION YOU MAKE TO COUNCIL CAN BE AS BROAD AS YOU WANT IT TO BE.
SO IF AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU SAY, HEY, WE JUST REALLY BELIEVE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE BELIEVE IN C, YOU SHOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
BUT IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WE THINK C MAKES SENSE, BUT IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S THE PERFECT BUILDING OUT THERE, THE RECOMMENDATION COULD BE EITHER OR, RIGHT? WE'RE OPEN TO A NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO AN OFFICE BUILDING.
SO YOU'RE NOT HIM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PICK ONE OR THE OTHER.
SPEAKING WITH RON, I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT B AND, BUT WE ALSO TALK, TALK ABOUT BUILDING C AND, UM, ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY NORTH OF THAT IN ORDER TO GET 3.5 ACRES.
YOU KNOW, CAN WE ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY TO, TO BUILD THAT, BUILD THE POLICE STATION IN THAT AREA? SO THE TWO PROPERTIES SOUTH? YEAH.
WELL, WE'RE LOOKING, IT'S THE TWO PROPERTIES SOUTH ARE THE, ARE IMMEDIATE ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE ALSO ARE, AND WE, WE ANSWERED IN THE RESPONSE, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY NORTH AS WELL TO SEE WHAT COULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE.
RIGHT? UM, BUT THAT IS A VARIABLE TO SEE WHAT IS THE APPETITE FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND, AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS ON HOW, HOW THAT COULD WORK OUT.
WHATEVER WE WOULD DO, WE'D WANNA WORK WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SET THEM UP FOR SUCCESS IN ADDISON.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A VARIABLE THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO RIGHT NOW.
AS, AS TO THE GUN RANGE, I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW ON B UM, THERE ISN'T A GUN RANGE.
CAN YOU BUILD A GUN RANGE IN PART OF THE GARAGE IN PART OF THE EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE, EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE? COULD YOU PUT A A ON THE GROUND LEVEL OR GUN RANGE? YEAH, I WOULDN'T SPEAK EXACTLY WITH THE ARCHITECT, BUT I WOULD SAY NO
UH, THINKING ABOUT THAT, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE.
JASON, IF YOU WANT TO CONFIRM THAT.
[00:20:01]
SURE.GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, YEAH, THE QUESTION COULD WE, COULD WE, IT'S A TWO STORY PARKING STRUCTURE, AND YOUR QUESTION IS, COULD WE GET A GUN RANGE ON A PORTION OF THE SORT OF UNDER THE FIRST FLOOR
UM, I THINK THAT GARAGE IN PARTICULAR IS FAIRLY COMPACT, MAYBE 12 FEET.
AND IF YOU RE REMEMBER FROM THE, UM, TOUR OF ROANOKE, OUR PARAPET HEIGHT WAS AROUND 17 OR 18 FEET.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE, THOSE BAFFLES IN THE RANGE, THERE'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY SIX, UH, SIX TO EIGHT FEET ABOVE THAT OF DUCT WORK AND THEN THE STEEL STRUCTURE ABOVE THAT.
SO WE WOULD END UP DEMOLISHING A GOOD PORTION OF THE GARAGE IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT.
DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY THAT WE COULD MAKE THE PROPOSITION FOR EITHER B OR C? YOU COULD.
AND, AND, AND SO LET'S TALK ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
YOU COULD SAY, YOU COULD TELL A RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCIL, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR AN OFFICE BUILDING AND, AND WE'LL TALK, AND THERE'S AN EXAMPLE IN THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT? AND YOU'LL SEE THE PROP PROPOSITION LANGUAGE IS GOING TO BE MORE BROAD, UH, OF WHAT THE VOTERS VOTE ON.
THERE WILL BE A VOTER'S GUIDE WHERE WE'RE TALKING MORE SPECIFICS AND WHAT WE CAN IDENTIFY, HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THERE'S, THOSE ARE SOME SEMANTICS, BUT ALL THAT TO SAY, YES, THERE IS FLEXIBILITY.
SO WHAT'S THE HARM IN DOING THAT? WELL, I THINK THAT'S ULTIMATE, THERE'S NO HARM IN DOING IT.
IF THE COMMITTEE, IF YOU GET TO THE END OF THE DAY AND YOU JUST VALUE ONE OPTION MORE THAN THE OTHER, THEN YOU SHOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
BUT IF YOU WEIGH BOTH OF THEM AND YOU SEE BENEFITS TO BOTH, IT'S JUST, I'M JUST GIVING YOU, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY YOU CAN DO THE RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE FLUID, SO I WOULD THINK BEING FLEXIBLE MIGHT BE A, A GOOD OPTION.
SO FOLLOWING UP ALONG THOSE LINES, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE PROPOSITION, COULD IT, COULD IT BE LIKE, YES, WE CAN GO WITH D OR C, BUT WE WANT THESE THINGS TO BE MET, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND ALL OF OFFICERS ON THE SAME FLOOR, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE A GUN RANGE, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU DO THAT SORT OF THING? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO ULTIMATELY WHAT THE VOTERS WILL VOTE ON WILL BE A PROPOSITION THAT'S GONNA BE FAIRLY BROAD.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE WHAT WE WROTE IN HERE, BUT THEN THERE'LL BE THE, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT GOES WITH IT, WHICH HAS GONE WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER BOND PROPOSITIONS.
AND THAT WILL CERTAINLY GO INTO, HERE'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THE GUN RANGE.
IT WILL EITHER SAY A GUN RANGE OR IT WON'T SAY A GUN RANGE, UM, IF THERE'S A GUN RANGE INCLUDED.
BUT IT, IT CAN ALSO GO INTO HERE'S WHAT THE BUILDING COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO YES, ULTIMATELY WHAT WE END UP WITH FROM THIS COMMITTEE.
AND THEN COUNSEL WILL BE AS SPECIFIC AS YOU ALL THEN COUNSEL WANTS IT TO BE.
AND WHILE WE'RE ON GUN RANGE, I'LL GO TO YOU, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT IF YOU JUST TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE, AS FAR AS THE GUN RANGE IS HOW IMPORTANT, WHERE DOES IT GO ON A SCALE OF, YOU KNOW, BEING ON SITE AT THE SAME PLACE OR OFFSITE? I MEAN, I KNOW FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL TO IT IF IT'S NOT ON SITE, BUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? RIGHT? AND SO WE HAVE AN OPTION THAT SPEAKS DIRECTLY MORE TO THE GUN RANGE.
I THINK THERE'LL BE MORE QUESTIONS WHEN WE GET TO THAT.
SO DO YOU MIND IF WE GET TO THAT POINT AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT COME THERE? BECAUSE THEY'LL PROBABLY BE MORE FINE.
IS THAT OKAY? SO CHIEF, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, UM, I KNOW THIS, THIS, UH, OPTION, UH, SHOWS THAT THERE'S SPACE FOR COURTS.
ARE WE STILL CONSIDERING IT? ARE WE SAYING THAT WE'RE IN THE COURT ROOM RIGHT NOW? YEAH, SO THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS THAT AMPLE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO WHERE IF YOU WANTED TO PUT THE COURTROOM THERE, IT'S THERE WITHOUT TAKING AWAY SOME, SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, SPACE PROGRAMMING THAT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR.
SO IF WE DECIDED THE COURT WOULD WORK IN THIS SPACE, THEN YOU WOULD USE THAT AS POTENTIAL GROWTH SPACE.
IT WOULD BE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THERE AT THAT SITE.
SO YES, WE WOULD FIND, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
SO IF THIS BUILDING, IF WE CAN'T MOVE INTO THIS BUILDING FOR LET'S SAY, I DON'T KNOW, THREE YEARS, DO YOU, HAVE YOU DONE ANY KIND OF STUDY THAT SHOWS WHAT KIND OF GROWTH WE'RE GONNA HAVE FROM A POLICE STANDPOINT? I MEAN, I KNOW WHENEVER WE HAVE BOUNDARIES THAT WE CAN'T GROW ANY FURTHER, BUT I THINK THE DENSITY'S GONNA INCREASE IN THIS TOWN.
AND YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR FUTURE GROWTH WITHIN THAT SPACE PROGRAMMING.
THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR.
UM, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS WHENEVER YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING GROWTH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PATROL DIVISION, THOSE ARE THE OFFICERS YOU CALL 9 1 1.
[00:25:01]
THE ONES THAT RESPOND.THEY'RE THE ONES WEARING THE UNIFORMS EVERY DAY.
THEY DON'T TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE IN BUILDINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT IN CARS.
THEY'RE OUT ON THE STREET, RIGHT? SO WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD THOSE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY NEEDING THOSE ADDITIONAL SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
WE'VE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR THOSE SUPPORT PERSONNEL, SO ADDITIONAL DETECTIVES TO LOOK AT FORENSICS, ADDITIONAL SUPPORT STAFF, UM, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY NEED THAT, THAT SPACING.
AND THOSE HAVE BEEN, UM, ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE SPACE PROGRAMMING FOR THE NEEDS THAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD.
I'LL BE QUICK CHIEF, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BETWEEN B, B AND C BEFORE YOU GET IN TO SEE, WHENEVER WE TALK TO SOME OF THE CHIEFS AT THE OTHER LOCATIONS, THEY SAID THAT THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT FOR 15 YEARS OR FOR 20 YEARS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND ONE OF THE CHIEFS SAID, AND WE'VE ALREADY, LIKE, WE NEED MORE SPACE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
SO BETWEEN THESE TWO OPTIONS, IS B MORE OF THE 20 YEAR AND C MORE OF, I MEAN, ARE THEY EQUALLY YOKED AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE GROWTH POTENTIAL FOR BOTH OF THEM? YES MA'AM.
UM, SO IN THAT SPACE PROGRAMMING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THEN PUT OUT, WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT FUTURE GROWTH.
YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU HAVE 66 OFFICERS OR PATROLMEN, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE, YOU HAVE 94 EMPLOYEES INSIDE THAT BUILDING TOTAL.
AND THEN, SO AS A REVIEW OF OPTION C, THIS IS THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, ON THE PROPOSED SIDE ON ADDISON ROAD.
UM, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO HERE IS SITE ACQUISITION.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE WITH AND THE MULTIFAMILY ADJACENCY, WHICH WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED, UH, THAT WE CAN TALK THROUGH IN DETAIL HERE IN A LITTLE BIT ON SITE SECURITY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE TO MITIGATE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, TWO STORY FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE THREE STORY THAT'S, UH, PROPOSED ON THE OPTION B RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, I'M SORRY, IT DOES INCLUDE THAT SUPPORT BUILDING AND THEN SPACE FOR THE FUTURE RANGE.
UM, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COURTROOM THAT'S GOING BACK IN THE CONVERSATION OF HOW WE CAN REUSE SPACE WITHIN ANOTHER TOWN FACILITIES AND USING THIS AREA HERE FOR TO HOLD COURT GOING INTO THE FLOOR PLANS.
THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, WHICH IS, UH, MORE PUBLIC FACING.
SO OUR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE COURT PERSONNEL SECOND FLOOR, UM, WHERE ALL OF THE, UM, POLICE OFFICER STAFFING WOULD BE ADMINISTRATION, DETECTIVES AND PATROL OFFICERS.
WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SITE C OPTION? I HAVE A QUESTION CHIEF, WITHOUT, UM, GIVING AWAY ANY OF, UH, SENSE OF INFORMATION, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE SITE ACQUISITION CHALLENGES YOU MAY OR MAY NOT SEE? I'LL SPEAK TO IT.
UH, SO, UM, SO I, I THINK THE, THE CHALLENGES ARE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT, RIGHT? FOLKS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PROPERTIES ARE NOT FOR SALE RIGHT NOW, SO WE WOULD ENGAGE WITH THEM.
UM, AND ALSO THIS IS A LITTLE UNIQUE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN A PUBLIC MEETING, RIGHT? AND IT'S OUT THERE, BUT THERE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST TIME, WE, WE JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT AND THIS, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY SPOTS IN TOWN THAT WE COULD SPEAK TO.
SO, UM, SO WE WOULD ENGAGE WITH THEM AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD BOTH, YOU KNOW, FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK BECAUSE IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE FROM A, FROM A CAMPUS SCENARIO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO WORK WITH THEM AND TRY TO HELP, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM THRIVE IN ADDISON AND, AND WORK WITH THEM AND RELOCATE THEM AND, AND TRY TO MAKE THEM BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE.
BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGES ARE WHAT ANYONE WOULD EXPECT.
SOMEONE NOT REALLY LOOKING TO MOVE AT THAT TIME.
SO THE, ON THE, UH, PROJECT MILESTONES, UH, THE SITE SELECTED DATE IS JUNE, JUNE 15TH, 2026.
SO WITH EITHER THE, UH, OPTION B OR C, THE, THAT PROCESS WITH WHICHEVER THE, UH, OPTION THAT WE GO WITH, ULTIMATELY THAT COULD CAUSE A SLIDE IN THE, ON THIS WHOLE, UM, MILESTONE PROJECT MILESTONE.
AND I THINK, AND, AND WE'LL GET TO THE, THE TIMELINE LATER, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS IT NOW.
YOU KNOW, WE WILL NOT SPEND ANY MONEY OBVIOUSLY UNTIL THE ELECTION PASSES.
UM, BUT THERE ARE, THERE IS DUE DILIGENCE WE CAN DO BEFORE THE ELECTION PASSES.
FOR INSTANCE, WE CAN DO AN RFP, WE AT LEAST PUT AN RFP OUT FOR THE DESIGN FOR THE ARCHITECT SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET THAT PROCESS STARTED VERY QUICKLY.
WE COULD DO DUE DILIGENCE ON ACQUISITION BEFORE THE BOND ELECTION PASSES SO THAT WE COULD TRY TO HAVE THAT GO AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, BUT THERE ARE VARIABLES THAT COULD PUSH
[00:30:01]
THAT OUT.AND THEN ONE OTHER ITEM, ONE OTHER ITEM UNLESS IT, I WANT TO SWITCH, UM, THOUGHTS HERE ON THE OTHER CHALLENGE OR C OPTION C THE MULTIFAMILY ADJACENCY.
YOU, YOU, IN THE LAST MEETING YOU MADE REFERENCE TO SOME COSMETIC OR, UH, COVERAGE.
CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE? HAVE YOU, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY MORE THOUGHTS SINCE LAST, THE LAST MEETING? ABSOLUTELY, YES SIR.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE DESIGN HERE, UM, PROVIDING CANOPY COVER FOR PARKING SPACES, UM, AND THEN FOR, UH, A ROUTE THAT OFFICERS WOULD EXIT THE BUILDING TO GET TO THEIR VEHICLES.
SO IN LOOKING, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THE SECURITY.
UM, SO YES, SO PART OF THAT IS LOOKING AT, UH, THE SITE SECURITY AND ADDING THE, THE, THE CANOPY AS YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS RENDERING.
UM, PROVIDING THAT, THAT CONCEALMENT RIGHT FROM ANYBODY THAT'S POSSIBLY LOOKING DOWN, UH, ON THE SIDE BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE MULTI-STORY, UM, THAT WOULD SURROUND THE AREA.
SO PART OF THAT IS, UH, ADDING THOSE CANOPIES.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THIS JUST HELPS WITH VEHICLES IN THE SUMMER REDUCING HEAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD IN GENERAL, UM, BUT ALSO JUST PROVIDES THAT EXTRA LAYER OF SECURITY TO WHERE SOMEBODY LOOKING DOWN WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IF AN OFFICER'S WALKING TO THEIR CAR THAT THEY'LL JUST SEE THE TOP OF THE CANOPY AND NOT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON UNDERNEATH IT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE INTO MORE OF THE, THE SITE SECURITY? I, I VISITED ROANOKE WITH YOU YESTERDAY.
THEY HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU, THAT IS NOT ON THIS PROPOSAL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? HAVING SEEN THE, THE BUILDING? UM, I THINK FOR ROANOKE, THE THIS BUILDING THEY HAVE IS, IS VERY ADEQUATE FOR THEM.
UM, NOT SO MUCH THINGS THAT THEY SAW THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY DISCUSSED.
UM, I THINK, UM, WORKING WITH GFF AND WORKING WITH STAFF, WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION OF AND JUSTIFICATION OF THIS IS WHAT WE NEED AND WHY WE NEED IT.
SO HERE AGAIN, I'M JUST WONDERING, SO BY, IF WE RECOMMEND C OR BNC, WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDING THIS SITE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SITE SITE PURCHASE.
IS THAT RIGHT, DAVID? CORRECT.
AND, AND SO IN IT'S NC IN AN OPTION WHERE IT IS A, A NEW CONSTRUCTION, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THIS DOESN'T WORK, IT COULD BE US GOING OUT AND BUYING ANOTHER PROPERTY AND DEMOLISHING IT AND STARTING OVER.
AND THEN ONE THING, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP 'CAUSE ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD TOO ABOUT THE REASON WE CAN DO B OR C IS AS WE GET TO THE COST, THEY'RE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME.
SO THE COSTS ARE JUST, ARE SO CLOSE THAT IT GIVES, IT'S WHY THE OPTIONALITY IS THERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL AMOUNT.
AND, AND THEN THE OTHER THING AND UM, IS THAT WE HAVE THOSE TWO BUSINESSES THAT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD COST TO PURCHASE AND WHETHER THEY, OF COURSE WE CAN ALWAYS DO CONDEMNATION IF WE NEED, IF THE CITY NEEDED TO DO THAT.
THE SECOND THING IS THAT, UM, WHICH FUND OWNS THAT SITE BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER HOW IT WAS PURCHASED OUTTA WHICH FUND.
THAT MIGHT BE, I MIGHT BE OUTTA ORDER AND YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IT LATER, BUT, UH, WHERE IS THE MONEY GONNA COME FOR GUN RANGES IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY GONNA BE IN THE BUILDING PLANS AND NEW BUILDER REMODEL? UH, SO, UH, SO LET'S DO, I'LL DO TWO SCENARIOS.
A SCENARIO WHERE A GUN RANGE ULTIMATELY IS NOT INCLUDED FOR WHATEVER REASON WE GO FORWARD AND WE SAY A GUN RANGE JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT FOR COST OR WHATEVER ELSE.
IN THAT SCENARIO, WE ALSO, WE BUILT IN A LOT OF COST ESCALATION INFLATION AS WE SHOULD.
IF WE COME UNDER BUDGET ENOUGH, THERE'S EXTRA MONEY THERE THAT WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH COUNSEL OF, OF FITTING THE GUN RANGE IN WITH THAT EXCESS FUNDS.
IN A SCENARIO WHERE WE INCLUDE THE GUN RANGE, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD JUST BE PAID FOR WITH BONDS.
SO IN, IN THE FINAL SCENARIO WHERE WE DON'T INCLUDE IT, THERE'S NO EXTRA MONEY, THEN THAT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE A CONVERSATION WITH COUNSEL IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND ULTIMATELY IT COULD BE IN A FUTURE BOND ELECTION A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OR WE LOOK AT COS WITH COUNCIL SOME OTHER FUNDING MECHANISM.
BUT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A FUTURE BOND ELECTION WOULD BE THE MOST LIKELY.
ON, ON THE SAME SUBJECT, WHAT'S A GUN RANGE COST? JUST GENERAL GUESS.
WE HAVE THAT, WE'VE GOT THAT IN THE SLIDE AS WE GET TO THAT.
[00:35:01]
MORE QUESTIONS CHIEF.AND THEN, UH, SO GOING ON TO SITE SECURITY, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANY SITE THAT, THAT WE CHOOSE, THESE ARE JUST BEST PRACTICES IN GENERAL FOR ANY NEW OR POLICE BUILD OR FOR RENOVATION.
UM, AND SO THAT IS BALLISTIC FOR, UH, INJURY, UM, VEHICLE DETERRENCE.
SO THAT'S BE ACHIEVED THROUGH LANDSCAPING WHERE THAT'S, UM, UH, MECHANISMS TO WHERE YOU HARDEN THE OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY.
VEHICLES CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH THE STRUCTURE.
UH, BIOMETRIC ACCESS CONTROL, UM, APPROPRIATE SITE LIGHTING, UM, CANOPY COVER TO FOR CONCEALMENT, UH, AND ALSO PROTECT VEHICLES AND HAIL DAMAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SECURE, UH, STAFF PARKING, AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT SITE SPECIFIC, THESE ARE JUST ANY NEW BUILD OR RENOVATION.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT COME STANDARD WITHIN THESE PROJECTS.
MOVING ON TO THE GUN RANGE OPTION
SO DURING THE LAST MEETING, UM, UH, WE PRESENTED A PLAN FOR, UH, THE PD AND IT WAS THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT ADDING THE GUN RANGE, UH, TO THE OPTION.
UM, OPTION B, IT'S GOING TO BE SITE DEPENDENT, SO OPTION B IS JUST A RENOVATION, SO THAT IS GONNA BE VERY CONTINGENT ON THAT SPECIFIC SITE.
UM, FOR THE SPECIFIC SITE THAT'S BEEN CHOSEN RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NOT ROOM ON THAT SITE WITHOUT ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL LAND TO INCLUDE THAT RANGE.
UM, FOR THE PROPOSED OPTION SITE C, THERE IS ROOM TO ADD THAT RANGE.
UM, AND THEN MS. CRAIG TO YOUR, UH, QUESTION EARLIER, I TOLD YOU TO COME BACK TO IT.
UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, UH, FOR ME FOR THE OFFICERS IN THE TOWN IS TO GET A BOND THAT PASSES END ALL, BE ALL LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FACILITY THAT WE NEED FOR OUR OFFICERS.
UM, WOULD I LIKE TO HAVE A 50 YARD RANGE? ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE ANY POLICE CHIEF UP HERE THAT SAY NO, WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE OFFICERS AND TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT IS YOUR CHARGE AS THE COMMITTEE.
UM, IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE AND YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE BOND 100%, UM, WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT AND, AND WALK AND WORK THROUGH THAT.
WHAT PERCENTAGE UTILIZATION WOULD YOU BE HAVING ON THAT RANGE? UM, MORE SO THAN WHAT WE USE IN OUR CURRENT RANGE.
OUR CURRENT RANGE IS 25 YARDS, SO WE CAN ONLY USE IT FOR HANDGUNS.
UH, AND HOW OFTEN ARE YOU USING IT? UH, WE USE SHIFTS GO THERE ALMOST, UH, EVERY TIME THEY'RE ON SHIFT, OFFICERS CAN GO DOWN THERE, UM, GRAB THEIR SERGEANT, GRAB A FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR, SHOOT SOME ROUNDS, DO DRIVE FIRING.
UM, WE DO QUARTERLY SEMI-ANNUAL TRAINING.
WE DO TWO QUALIFICATIONS A YEAR.
UM, SO WE USE THE RANGE QUITE A BIT AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUTSIDE AGENCIES, UH, THAT CAN COME AND USE IT AS WELL.
SO HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO DO IT NOW? TO DO IT NOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO, TO TRAIN.
MY CONCERN IS THE 10 MILLION ABSOLUTELY
HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE GUN RANGE? THE CURRENT GUN RANGE? YOU KNOW WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THAT, JASON, HOW BIG, HOW BIG WAS ROANOKE GUN RANGE? UM, ROANOKE GUN RANGE IS SEVEN LANES AT 50 YARDS.
UM, IT IS TWO THE UM, SITE THAT YOU SEE UP HERE, SCHEMATICS 52 20, WELL THAT WHOLE BUILDING.
SO YOU HAVE AMMO, STORAGE AND UH, BREAK ROOM AND ALL THAT.
AND SO, AND JUST AS A NOTE, THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION, THE L SHAPE, UM, LOOKING IF YOU HAVE THE CONTEXT FOR THE SUPPORT BUILDING, THAT STRUCTURE'S ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE, THE SPACE PROGRAMMING AND THE TWO OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE ADDITION IS THAT HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW PORTION OF THE ACTUAL FIRING LINE, UM, AND THE AMMO STORAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CHIEF, UH, QUESTION ALL OFFICERS HAVE THE, THEIR FIREARMS, THEIR WEAPON, THEIR RIFLE, MOST OF THEM.
HOW WOULD YOU DETERMINE IF THERE'S A MALFUNCTION WITH A PARTICULAR WEAPON IF YOU DON'T HAVE A GUN RANGE FOR THEM TO GO TEST THAT PARTICULAR WEAPON? WHAT DO YOU DO? DO YOU GIVE 'EM ANOTHER GUN? DO YOU HAVE A STORAGE FACILITY WITH ALL OF THESE GUNS SO THEY CAN JUST GRAB A GUN? WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE ON MAKING SURE THAT THE FIREARM THAT THEY'RE CARRYING IS SAFE AND IT'S GONNA BE FUNCTIONAL? YEAH, SO ANYTIME OFFICERS GO TO TRAIN, THEY DO FUNCTION CHECKS.
UM, AND EVEN IN BETWEEN THERE WE DO QUARTERLY INSPECTIONS WHERE FIREARMS INSTRUCTORS WILL COME INSPECT OFFICER'S FIREARMS, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO DEFICIENCIES, MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN, MAKE SURE IT'S IN WORKING ORDER.
UM, WE DO HAVE A FEW GUNS ON HAND THAT IF, UH, THERE'S A MALFUNCTION OR IF IT'S CATASTROPHIC FAILURE AND IT HAS TO BE SENT OFF OR ONE OF OUR ARMORS HAS TO REPLACE IT OR FIX IT, THEN THEY HAVE THAT REPLACEMENT FIREARM.
BUT YOU WOULD NEED A GUN RANGE TO GO TEST THAT IMMEDIATELY? YES MA'AM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PURPOSE FOR HAVING A GUN RANGE CLOSE BY.
[00:40:01]
STRATEGICALLY ON THE, UM, THE THE LANGUAGE OF THE BOND, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY CHALLENGE OR, UH, IS THERE A CHALLENGE WITH MAKING THE GUN RANGE A SEPARATE ITEM? IS THERE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IT, IT COULD NOT BE VOTED FOR THEN AND THEN, AND THAT WOULD MIGHT BACK US INTO A, UM, A FINANCIAL CORNER DOWN THE ROAD? UH, WE CAN, AND STEVEN CAN TRY TO PLAY BOND ATTORNEY ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROPOSITION, BUT I'LL ANSWER A PIECE OF THE SECOND QUESTION AND STEVEN CAN ELABORATE.IF A ITEM IS VOTED DOWN IN A BOND ELECTION, WE CANNOT THEN ISSUE DEBT ISSUE ISSUE COS OR ANY OTHER DEBT FOR THAT ITEM FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH STEVEN CAN TALK TO.
SO THERE ARE, IF YOU PUT AN ITEM OUT THERE AND IT'S VOTED AGAINST, THERE ARE SOME STIPULATIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT THAT STEVEN CAN SPEAK TO.
SO IF, IF YOU KNOW, A, A BOND ELECTION FAILS, THEN YOU CAN'T GO OUT AND ISSUE CEOS, UM, FOR THREE YEARS.
UM, I ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S FIVE YEARS NOW.
THEY, THEY RECENTLY CHANGED THAT, SO FIVE YEARS.
UM, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO EITHER HAVE ANOTHER BOND ELECTION OR, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOME OTHER FUNDING MECHANISM WITH EXISTING, UH, CASH FUNDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, AS FAR AS THE BOND LANGUAGE GOES, UM, YOU COULD MAKE, I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE SEPARATE PROPOSITIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY THAT THE, AS DAVID KIND OF MENTIONED, THE PROPOSITION FOR THE POLICE STATION WILL BE FAIRLY VAGUE.
SO IT WILL, WOULD COVER, UH, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO A GUN RANGE, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A SEPARATE PROPOSITION IF YOU WANTED THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO A GUN RANGE.
UM, BUT THE, THE VAGUE AND, AND KIND OF, UH, OVERARCHING WORDING OF, UH, THE GENERAL PROPOSITION, UH, WOULD COVER COVER, YOU KNOW, A A GUN RANGE CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT, COULD BE A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT TO VOTERS, UM, IN THAT, IN THAT SENSE.
BUT YOU COULD WRITE THE SECOND PROPOSITION TO BE VERY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TO JUST A GUN RANGE.
WELL, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN THE PAST WITH LANGUAGE, VAGUE LANGUAGE ON, UH, BOND PROPOSITIONS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, WELL IT'LL BE SPECIFIC TO, AND, AND I THINK IT'S LATER IN THE PROPOSITION, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ACQUIRING, CONSTRUCTING, DESIGNING AND EQUIPPING POLICE FACILITIES.
SO IT IS SPECIFIC TO POLICE FACILITIES, BUT IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO DO, YOU KNOW, ACQUIRE AN EXISTING FACILITY, BUILD A NEW FACILITY, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA DESIGN IT AND PUT EVERYTHING IN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE.
AND JUST, YEAH, JUST TO THAT POINT, I THINK WE'RE USE, I THINK WHEN, WHEN STEVEN USED, WHEN WE'RE USING THE WORD VAGUE, WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU CAN DO THESE OPTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT WHEN SOMEONE'S VOTING ON IT, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA KNOW THEY'RE VOTING FOR A POLICE STATION.
ALRIGHT, WELL, I I, MY SENSE FROM HEARING LAST WEEK'S CONVERSATIONS AND THEN OF COURSE THIS ONE IS THAT THIS COMMITTEE DOES HAVE AN APPETITE FOR HAVING A GUN RANGE.
THAT'S MY SENSE THAT I'M GETTING.
I THINK A, A NEW MODERN POLICE STATION, UH, REALLY REQUIRES IT.
UH, THERE'S A, WE HERE IN ADDISON, WE'VE ALWAYS PROVIDED, UH, POLICE WITH, UH, ALL AND FIRE WITH ALL THE TRAINING, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT WE COULD.
WE'VE, WE HAVE, I'VE HAVEN'T, I DON'T RECALL ANY RESISTANCE FROM THE COMMUNITY ON, UM, ANY SA UH, SAFETY EQUIPMENT OR TRAINING THAT WE'VE, UH, WE PUT, UH, IN, INTO THE, UH, INTO THEIR HANDS.
MR. GMAN, SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO, UH, ROANOKE HAD THIS REALLY LOVELY, UH, LITTLE FLYER THAT I TOOK.
ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE TOOK ONE, BUT THEY HAD THE PROJECT TIMELINE AND THE FUNDING SOURCE AND THE FUNDING SOURCE.
UM, THEY HAD THE CCPD, THE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT TO FUND CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS AND INCLUDING IT PAID FOR EXPENSES FOR RELATED CAPITAL PURCHASES, INCLUDING THIS NEW FACILITY.
AND IT SAID THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE OR THAT WE COULD HAVE TO HELP FUND SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL THINGS OR? NO, WE, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DISCUSSION ON TUESDAY.
SO, UH, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S A LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX.
SO THEIR VOTERS ELECTED TO HAVE THAT DISTRICT.
SO THEY HAVE SALES TAX THAT GOES SPECIFICALLY IN THERE TO FUND, UH, CRIME CONTROL, WHICH CAN BE YOUR, YOUR, YOU KNOW, GRAPEVINE FUNDS THEIR ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH A CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT.
SO IT CAN BE CONSTRUCTION OF PROJECTS LIKE THAT OR, OR THOSE THINGS.
[00:45:01]
BECAUSE WE, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR LOCAL OPTION SELL TAX IS DEDICATED TO DARK, RIGHT.BECAUSE IT SAYS THE CCPD IS SUPPORTED BY THE A HALF CENT SALES TAX.
SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE OKAY, GOTCHA.
WE CAN'T NOT LOOK INTO THAT OPTION.
I, IF I COULD ADD, UM, I KNOW THAT OUR COST ESTIMATOR IS GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THE COST AND HE HAS TO CATCH AN AIRPLANE I THINK VERY SOON.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE COULD JUMP JUMP TO HIS SLIDES AND THEN WE COULD COME BACK TO THE GUN RANGE IF THAT WAS OKAY, CHAIR.
YEAH, I, UM, I ACTUALLY, IT SAYS UNDER THE LOWER LEFT, FINALIZING THE COST ESTIMATE IN THE TIME BETWEEN THIS SLIDE BEING FINALIZED AND THE ESTIMATE BEING FINALIZED, UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER THAT VERIFIES, UH, THE, UH, COST BEING WELL UNDER 10 MILLION FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
I WANTED TO GIVE, UH, A NOTE OF APPRECIATION TO THE DESIGN TEAM, UH, AND DON BERGER FOR DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF TURNING OUT THREE DIFFERENT FIRE STATION DESIGNS IN A VERY SHORT TIME RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
IN ORDER FOR US TO VERIFY THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS WELL UNDER THAT 10 MILLION AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS.
YOU GOT TO CLICK? YEAH, I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS 19.
LET ME GO OVER THE SLIDE, I'LL LET YOU TAKE
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO REVIEW, I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH THIS AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT JUST AS A REFRESHER FOR WHO'S WORKING WITH US ON THIS PROJECT AND WHAT ARE THEIR ROLES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE CHRIS COME BACK UP HERE IN A SECOND.
UH, BUT WANTED TO, UH, REVIEW.
SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH GFF DESIGN IS THE ARCHITECT, LIKE I MENTIONED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM OVER THE LAST YEAR THROUGH NUMEROUS MEETINGS AND VERSIONS OF TRYING TO GET TO A SPACE PROGRAM NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
THEY DID A SECOND PHASE WHERE THEY TOOK THAT SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, DEVELOPED THOSE FIVE CONCEPTUAL OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU.
UM, AND THEY LOOKED AT THE SITE CONFIGURATIONS AS YOU'VE SEEN MODELS ON THE CONSIDERATIONS OF EACH, THE CHALLENGES, THE BENEFITS, WHAT'S LEFT OUT, WHAT'S INCLUDED.
UM, AND THEY DEVELOPED ESTIMATED COSTS.
UM, THE ARCHITECT DOES THAT AS PART OF THEIR SCOPE OF WORK.
HOWEVER, WHAT THE TOWN DID IS WE HIRED AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY, UM, SEPARATE FROM THE ARCHITECTS TO COME IN, REVIEW, CHALLENGE THOSE NUMBERS, DEVELOP THEIR OWN NUMBERS FOR US, UM, FOR EACH OF THOSE FIVE CONCEPTUAL OPTIONS.
AND SO THAT IS CHRIS QUADRA AND HIS FIRM WITH PEAK PROGRAM VALUE IS THEY'VE GONE THROUGH AND DEVELOPED AN OWNER'S BUDGET.
UM, SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT A, A MORE DETAILED LEVEL THAN AN ARCHITECT WOULD IN TERMS OF LABOR, MATERIALS ESCALATION, CONTINGENCY, UM, AND REALLY GOING THROUGH IT WITH FINE TUNED TOOTH COMB A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, ALSO WITH THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY HAVE ON CURRENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE COSTS THAT WE'VE SHOWN YOU LAST TIME AND TONIGHT STILL VERY CONSERVATIVE.
UM, WE WANNA BE HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULD COME BELOW THAT NUMBER AND THAT WE'RE, UM, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION RISKS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OR SITES THAT WE MIGHT NOT KNOW YET SINCE WE'RE STILL VERY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS.
SO BEFORE WE, I INTRODUCED CHRIS, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND, UM, THE COMMITTEE OF THE ROLE AND THAT HE IS, UH, INDEPENDENT FROM THE ARCHITECT AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS AND HE'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PROJECT MILESTONES OF THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE COST ESTIMATES BECAUSE IF THEY DO GET PUSHED OUT, THAT COULD LEAD TO HIGHER ESCALATION AND OVERALL ON THE PROJECT COSTS.
SO WITH THAT, TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS.
SORRY I JUMPED THE GUN A LITTLE BIT.
ANYTIME I SEE THE WORD ESTIMATE ON A SCREEN, UM, LIKE PAVLOV'S DOG, YOU KNOW, UM, OKAY, SO THIS IS A, UM, A SCHEDULE THAT, UH, I THINK ONE OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAS ALREADY REFERENCED.
UM, AND THAT THESE ARE THE MAJOR MILESTONES AND THE, UM, THE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT COULDN'T WE DO THIS A LITTLE FASTER.
AND THIS IS A COMPRESSED ABOUT AS FAR AS YOU, YOU WANT TO DO IT, UH, IN TERMS OF BEING A SAFE SCHEDULE TO MEET.
AND IT'S ROUGHLY A YEAR FOR DESIGN.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE SELECTION PROCESS WOULD, UM, UH,
[00:50:01]
WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON AFTER THE BOND WAS ELECTED, UH, AFTER THE BOND, UH, WAS PASSED AND WE, UM, GO THROUGH AN ARCHITECTURAL SELECTION PROCESS AND THE DESIGN WOULD BEGIN AND THEN THE, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER WOULD PUT IT OUT TO BID ON THE STREET AND WE'D GET THEIR COUNSEL, UM, THEIR APPROVAL FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION COSTS.A NOTICE TO PROCEED WOULD BE ISSUED AND THERE'D BE A CONSTRUCTION PERIOD THAT WOULD TERMINATE.
AND THEN WE'D MOVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN, TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS TO GET THAT UP AND RUNNING AND WE'D BE FULLY OPERATIONAL THE BEGINNING OF 2029, FIRST QUARTER.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SCHEDULE? OKAY.
UM, SO WE DID A, UH, A REFINEMENT OF THE ESTIMATE, WENT BACK IN AND DID A DEEP DIVE INTO ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS.
UM, AND WE ADJUSTED THE CONTINGENCY TO RE UH, TO, UH, REFLECT THE RENOVATION VERSUS NEW.
WE ALIGNED THE ESCALATION TO ONLY INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION AND LAND IN OPTIONS B AND C AND WE ADJUSTED THE FURNISHINGS A LITTLE BIT.
THESE NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, AT THE BOTTOM LINE, BUT NOT SIGNIFICANTLY FROM WHAT YOU SAW LAST TIME.
AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME REALLOCATION OF, UH, OF CONTINGENCY, BUT IN THE MAIN, THEY'RE THE SAME.
THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS THING WORKS, YEAH, IT DOES THIS, THIS USED TO BE ONE CONSTRUCTION COST NUMBER AND WE'VE BROKEN THAT OUT INTO THESE LINE ITEMS, RENOVATION OR NEW BUILDING, ROUGHLY THE SAME COSTS.
AND THESE NOTES DOWN HERE ARE, ARE, ARE BLOWN UP IN, UH, TWO MORE SLIDES, BUT I WANTED YOU TO SEE THEM RIGHT NEXT TO THE COSTS.
BUT THE NEW SUPPORT BUILDING, THIS ONE IS SO MUCH CHEAPER BECAUSE IT'S ON, WE CAN ONLY FIT 2000 SQUARE FOOT SUPPORT BUILDING ON IT.
THE REST OF THOSE, WHAT WE CALL DIRTY FUNCTIONS, ARE ACTUALLY INSIDE THE RENOVATION.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM INSIDE THE EXISTING BUILDING, SO WE PUT SOME OF THOSE AS MUCH AS WE COULD OUTSIDE.
AND THEN THE SUPPORT BUILDING REALLY WANTS TO BE 5,600 SQUARE FEET.
SO WHEN YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, YOU BUILD IT 5,600.
THE PROGRAM IS STILL THE SAME, IT'S JUST THAT THE SUPPORT SERVICES ARE ALL IN ONE BUILDING AS THEY SHOULD BE.
SO THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN TOTAL UTILIZATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE COST OF THAT SUPPORT BUILDING, EXCUSE ME, IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.
THE, THERE'S A PARKING GARAGE ASSUMED IN THIS SITE, AS YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S AN ALLOWANCE FOR SECURITY ADDITIONS TO THAT PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, UH, SECURE AREAS AND, AND PLACES TO PREVENT ACTIVE SHOOTERS FROM BEING ABLE TO, UM, ATTACK, UH, OFFICERS.
AND THAT DOESN'T APPLY OVER HERE.
SO THERE'S A $2 MILLION DEFICIT, UH, DEFICIT DIFFERENCE.
AND THE SITE WORK, YOU HAVE A MUCH SMALLER SITE HERE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S 143,000 SQUARE FEET OF SITE.
YOU'RE REUSING A LOT OF EXISTING PAVING, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO TEAR PAVING OUT AND PUT IT BACK AS YOU DO IN THE NEW SITE OR ANY NEW SITE YOU'D HAVE THAT, UM, NOT ANY, BUT IN THE ONES THAT WE'RE EXAMINING.
SO THIS IS ABOUT $12 A SQUARE FOOT AVERAGE.
AND, AND THIS OPTION C IS ACTUALLY A MUCH HIGHER COST.
AND IT'S ALSO TO, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF SITE AND WHY, WELL, WE'RE TEARING OUT ALL THE PAVING THAT'S THERE AND THEN PUTTING IT ALL BACK.
AND THERE'S ALSO A FENCE THAT IS A SECURITY FENCE THAT IS 1400 LINEAL FEET LONGER BECAUSE THE SITE'S SO MUCH BIGGER AND IT'S ABOUT 450, $500,000 MORE JUST
[00:55:01]
FOR THAT FENCE PIECE.WELL, THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THIS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR THESE CANOPIES TO BE, UH, $3.7 MILLION WORTH OF CANOPIES TO BE BUILT ON THIS SITE AND WE'VE, YOU UNDERSTAND WHY.
UM, AND THEN LAND ACQUISITION, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES THERE AND THE SOFT COSTS ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR AND THE CONTINGENCY'S A LITTLE HIGHER AT THE RENO AND ESCALATION IS, UM, FAIRLY SIMILAR.
BUT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I'LL TAKE A BREATH HERE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PIECE.
SO FOR THE, UH, THE CANOPIES, ALL OF THE, IF WE WOULD GO WITH B EVERYTHING WOULD BE ENCLOSED PARKING, OR NOT ENCLOSED PARKING BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THE SITE, RIGHT? LIKE IF IT DEPENDS ON THE MARKET, MAYBE WE MIGHT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WELL, THE COST MODELS WE'RE USING ARE FOCUSED ON ONE OPTION, BUT IT, IT CREATES A BUDGET THAT IS VERY FLEXIBLE.
UM, AND I KNOW, UM, DAVID, WHEN YOU WERE EXPLAINING THE LANGUAGE WAS A LITTLE VAGUE.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE LANGUAGE IS FLEXIBLE, NOT VAGUE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT ALLOWS US, IT'S A, IT'S A SUIT OF CLOTHES THAT ALLOWS US TO FLEXIBILITY THAT WE NEED.
AND, AND WHERE THAT REALLY GETS HELPFUL IS WE HAVE SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME PRE-CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCIES, I'M SORRY, DOWN HERE.
I COULD, I I, TO ANSWER YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION MOST LIKELY, AND IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO AN OFFICE BUILDING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING BECAUSE THEY HAD TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THEIR, FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING.
SO I THINK NOT ALL SCENARIOS, BUT I THINK MOST LIKELY ANY OFFICE BUILDING WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR WHAT WE NEED.
I WAS JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PLACES THAT WE VISITED, THEY ALL HAD, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD SECURED PARKING, THEY STILL HAD CANOPIES TO COVER THE CARS AND TO PROTECT THE CARS BECAUSE THAT'S AN ASSET OF THE TOWN.
SO THEY WANNA PROTECT THE CARS AS WELL AS IT'S NICER FOR THE OFFICERS NOT TO BE EXPOSED TO ALL THE ELEMENTS AND THINGS.
SO I, THAT'S JUST WHY I WAS ASKING BECAUSE IT'S A NICE THING TO HAVE.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE DETAILED ESTIMATE THAT BREAKS OUT ALL OF THE COSTS.
UM, AND I CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, TO EMAIL THEM TO SARAH AND WE'LL PUT THEM IN A RESPONSE LIKE YOU RECEIVED TO YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS, WHICH BY THE WAY, I THOUGHT WERE REALLY GOOD.
UM, AND THESE ARE, WE'VE JUST TALKED THROUGH THE, YOU'LL SEE THESE CHANGE WHEN I CLICK TO FROM B2C, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEING 2000 RATHER THAN FIFTY SIX HUNDRED, A HUNDRED AND FORTY 3000 SQUARE FEET AT 12 BUCKS A FOOT.
PARKING STRUCTURE, UPGRADES HERE, SITE ACQUISITION AT 10.5.
AND THEN SAME, UM, SAME METRICS LOOKING AT THIS SITE.
BIGGER, BIGGER SITE, MORE DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT CANOPIES, NO PARKING STRUCTURE, UPGRADES, SITE ACQUISITION, MUCH LESS SO.
UM, I THINK THESE ARE THE SLIDES FOR OTHERS ARE COMING UP.
SO I'M SUPPOSED TO HAND THIS OFF, UH, BUT I, I THOUGHT I'D TAKE A BREATH HERE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE NOW ABOUT COST GOING TWICE? OH, THERE WE GO.
HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT MIGHT BE MONIES LEFT OVER FOR THE GUN RANGE? WELL, THE BEST ANSWER TO THAT IS IF YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT THE PRICE OF COPPER WILL BE IN JULY OF, OF NEXT YEAR.
AND THE REASON I PICKED COPPER, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S DEFLECTING A VERY GOOD QUESTION AND THE PRICE OF COPPER IS ON TOP OF MY MIND 'CAUSE IT JUST HIT A RECORD HIGH TODAY AND THERE'S A LOT OF COPPER IN ALL THESE BUILDINGS THAT WE BUILT.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, TO, AND TO YOUR POINT ON THE CANOPIES, UM, I'M THINKING,
[01:00:01]
YOU KNOW, CANOPIES AND THE FIRING RANGE AND ALL OF THESE ALTERNATES ARE THERE IF I'M WRONG.AND WHAT I SAID BEFORE WAS I ORIGINALLY HAD IN A WORST CASE SCENARIO.
AND AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TEAM, UM, WAS, UM, WE DIALED THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT TO BE, UH, CONSERVATIVE, BUT, UM, NOT THE WORST CASE.
I HOPE I'M WRONG, BUT ESCALATION IS THE BIG BOOGEYMAN.
I THINK THE CONTINGENCIES WILL PROBABLY GET ABSORBED INTO THE DESIGN AS WE GO FORWARD.
THE ESCALATION IS THE BIG QUESTION MARK.
AND, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, YOU EITHER MAKE A DECISION THAT WE SHOULD PUT IT IN THE BOND PACKAGE AND ASK FOR IT AND HAVE SOME OTHER, UM, IDEAS LIKE EXTRA CANOPIES OR WHAT HAVE YOU, OR SEE IF, UH, SEE WHAT ESCALATION DOES.
IS THERE ANY ALTERNATE FUNDING THAT CAN BE OBTAINED FOR THE GUN RANGE? UH, THE, THE MOST LIKELY IT WOULD BE EITHER BY ELECTION OR CEOS IF WE WANTED TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OF GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR A, A PERMANENT STRUCTURE LIKE THAT THERE.
BUT CHIEF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY.
NO, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A, A FIRING RANGE.
CAN YOU TELL US WERE, FOR THE EXISTING, UH, WHERE YOU ARE NOW, HA HAVE YOU HAD GRANTS THERE AND WHAT KIND HAVE YOU HAD AND HOW HAVE YOU USED THEM? SO FOR, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RANGE SPECIFIC OR JUST GRANTS IN GENERAL, BUT WE'VE JUST THE BUILDING IN, IN GENERAL, THE WHOLE BUILDING FOR THE BUILDING, NO GRANTS THAT I'M AWARE OF.
THE GRANTS THAT WE'VE PURSUED HAVE BEEN FOR TECHNOLOGY, FOR, UM, UH, VEHICLE BARRIER SYSTEMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
FOR OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, WE'VE NOT HAD ANY GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
SO SOME OF THE MONIES THAT WERE SPENT ON IT WERE FROM THE LAST BOND 2019 BOND WHEN WE HAD SOME AIR CONDITIONING UNITS IN ROOF.
'CAUSE GETTING, GETTING GRANT MONIES ARE REALLY NICE IF YOU CAN GET IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STRINGS ATTACHED WITH IT, BUT, UM, USUALLY, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO, ARE ANY OF THESE THINGS POSSIBLE MONEY MAKERS WHERE WE COULD RECOUP SOME MONEY FROM? LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE GUN RANGE, BOTH CHIEFS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE THEY HAVE PEOPLE LINING UP TO RENT THEM AND THEY WANT THEM.
SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THINGS, THERE WERE CONFERENCE SPACES, THERE WERE GUN RANGES, THERE WERE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT OTHER AGENCIES NEED.
SO IT WOULD KIND OF HELP THAT COST BECAUSE I'M JUST REALLY, I I I, I'M WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THAT.
I REALLY WAS LIKE, OH, GUN RANGE.
WE HAVE EAGLE GUN RANGE, YOU GUYS HAVE AN OLD ONE YOU CAN USE.
BUT AFTER SEEING THE OTHER FACILITIES AND HEARING THINGS AND SEEING THE QUOTE THAT SEVEN 20 MENTIONED, WHAT WAS IT, MR. JACOBY, THE RISE TO THE LEVEL OF YOUR TRAINING AND HOW THEY SAID, HOW THEY ROTATE IN AND OUT OFFICERS ALL DAY.
I, I MEAN, I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT MR. GLICKMAN SAID THAT THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE.
UM, SO I JUST, UNLESS WE FIND A MONEY TREE, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, DO YOU COST FOR RECOVERY IS AN IN AND OF ITSELF.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY, UH, OTHER, OH, SORRY, I'M SORRY.
SO I'M, THERE'S A SOURCES AND USES, UM, BUDGET, RIGHT? AND THE SOURCES SIDE IS NOT MY EXPERTISE AND I'VE BEEN IN ENOUGH PROJECTS TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO COST RECOVERY MODELING, IT'S PEOPLE LIKE DON WERTZBERGER AND JASON K THAT WORK WITH THE CHIEF AND FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND EVERY DEPARTMENT IS VERY DIFFERENT IN HOW THAT WORKS.
AND I, I'M NOT THE PERSON TO BE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, BUT THANK YOU TO YOUR POINT.
UM, YOU WOULD NEVER GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
[01:05:01]
IS, LIKE FOR MAINTENANCE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WITH OUR CURRENT RANGE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES TO COME AND USE IT, AND THEY KICK IN TO HELP CLEAN WHENEVER WE HAVE TO DO OUR CLEANING COSTS.SO I DON'T WANT THE BOND COMMUNITY TO THINK THAT WE WOULD FUND THIS THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF HAVING PEOPLE TO USE IT.
UH, BUT THERE COULD BE A SCENARIO TO WHERE YOU BREAK EVEN WITH LIKE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S LIKELY FOR MR. GLICKMAN.
AND MRS. STEWART TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER, BUT I AM CURIOUS, WELL, BEFORE I SAY THIS, $60 MILLION IS A, IT'S A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY, UH, AND IT'S A GREAT ASK FOR US TO SEND THAT TO THE TAXPAYERS WHEN, WHEN THEY ALREADY PAY A PRETTY DECENT AMOUNT OF TAXES EVERY YEAR.
SO, UH, MY, MY ROUGH ESTIMATE IS THAT IT'S GOING TO RAISE PEOPLE LIKE US, OUR TAXES SOMEWHERE AROUND 5%, WHICH, WHICH IS A LITTLE SIGNIFICANT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES DOES THE TOWN HAVE TO APPROPRIATE CASH FOR DIRECT FUNDING TO HELP WITH THIS PROJECT FROM A GENERAL FUND, A CAPITAL RESERVE? ANY OTHER AVAILABLE FUNDS TO PAY ANY PORTION OF THIS PROJECT? UH, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE CASH RESERVES AND WE DO FUND, UM, SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS THROUGH, THROUGH CASH RESERVES.
WE HAVE, UH, AN INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND.
WE HAVE, UH, SOME OTHER FUNDS AVAILABLE.
NOTHING TO THE TUNE OF, OF $60 MILLION.
WHAT CAN THE TOWN KICK IN? YEAH, LET'S, LET'S DO THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK IF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SAY THE GUN RANGE AND, AND THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S DO GO FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE BOND FOR THE, FOR THE FACILITY AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A, A WAY TO CASH FUND THE GUN RANGE.
WE DO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY PAY FOR THAT.
UM, SO, SO THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO FUND A SMALL PORTION, UM, IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK, UM, I, I THINK IF THE TOWN WAS GOING TO TO PARTNER WITH THE TAXPAYERS ON, ON, ON FOOTING THE BILL FOR THIS TO ANY EXTENT, IT MIGHT GET SOME MILEAGE, UH, AT THE BALLOT BOX.
JUST JUST SAYING, JUST MAKING A SUGGESTION.
YEAH, AND I'LL, I'LL MENTION THOUGH, WHEN, WHEN WE DO GO OUT FOR A BOND ELECTION, NOW THAT COULD BE PART OF THE, PART OF THE GUIDE THAT WE HAVE, BUT AS FAR AS WHAT FOLKS SEE ON THE ACTUAL PROPOSITION, RIGHT, IT WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THE TOWN IS CASH FUNDING OR ANYTHING OF, OF THAT NATURE.
BUT THE MESSAGE COULD STILL GET OUT SOMEHOW.
THE MESSAGE COULD STILL GET OUT.
ARE THERE ANY STATE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT? YEAH, I THINK, UM, THE CHIEF JUST HIT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S GENERALLY NOT GONNA BE GRANT TYPE FUNDS OR, OR ANY STATE FUNDING TYPE OPPORTUNITIES FOR A FACILITY.
I THINK HE MENTIONED WE DO GET SOME GRANTS FOR SOME EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY TYPE ITEMS. BUT AS FAR AS A FACILITY, UM, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ON OUR OWN AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTING A NEW, UH, ANY, ANY TYPE OF NEW FACILITY.
SO LET'S PLAY THE PRETEND GAME.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO BE CREATIVE.
LET'S PRETEND RIGHT THAT THINGS GET RENEGOTIATED WITH DART AND WERE ABLE TO GET MONEY OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
IS THERE EVER A POSSIBILITY THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THE CCPD FUND? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY IF DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD PLAY OUT THAT MAYBE IF THINGS WOULD BE RENEGOTIATED OR SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS IN THE FUTURE? 'CAUSE IT SAYS IT WON'T BE BUILT UNTIL 2029, RIGHT? LIKE THINGS CAN CHANGE.
WELL, I THINK ON THE ONE ON THE TIMELINE THAT CONSTRUCTION WAS GONNA START, I MEAN, DESIGN WAS GONNA START ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ELECTION.
AND THEN CONSTRUCTION WAS GONNA START THE, THE TIMELINE SHOWED A COMPLETION DATE IN 2029.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL LET DAVID TALK ABOUT OTHER, HE WAS LOOKING AT ME, SO I'LL LET HIM, UH, GIVE SOME, I, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE US TO TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC WITH, WITH THIS.
QUESTION, KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT THIS GUN RANGE IS TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, ARE WE MAKING A MISTAKE BY PARSING THAT PART OF THIS BUILDING OUT AS A SEPARATE ELEMENT RATHER THAN INTEGRATING IT INTO THE TOTAL PROJECT? I KNOW THAT 59 MILLION IS A LOT TO SWALLOW AND WE WOULD INCREASE IT BY WHAT WE SAY, 10 MILLION OR SOMETHING.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, AND I THINK
[01:10:01]
FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE HAD PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL AND WE'RE, WE CAME TO YOU WITH AN AMOUNT AND WE GAVE YOU AN OPTION TO ADD OR NOT ADD.SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE COMMITTEE'S OPPORTUNITY, THE INFORMATION'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMITTEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN THAT REGARD.
BUT WE ARE TRYING TO, WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU ORIGINALLY IS, WAS TRYING TO BE, UM, AWARE OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW WITH FINANCES AND GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO ADD THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO.
DAVID, CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? CAN WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMMITMENT FROM THE TOWN BY, BY OUR NEXT MEETING ON, ON WHAT MAY, WHAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO, TO APPROPRIATE.
SO IT, IT MAKES OUR JOB EASIER TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING CITY COUNCIL HAS TO DO AND IT ALSO HAS TO BE THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME THAT DOES IT.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO FOCUS ON WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH A BOND ELECTION.
UM, IT'S ALL VALID CONVERSATION.
I, I GET IT, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME OUT OF A BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE TRADE OFFS WITH OTHER THINGS.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, YOU HAVE RESERVES.
UM, THOSE ARE RESERVES THAT CAME FROM TAX DOLLARS TOO, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE SITTING THERE AND THEY HAVE OTHER, MOST OF THEM HAVE OTHER EARMARKED USES, SOME DON'T.
AND I, SO I CERTAINLY NOT SAYING IT'S NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S A REASONABLE SUGGESTION, I THINK AT THIS POINT FOR WHAT YOU SEND TO COUNSEL, FOCUS ON WHAT THE BOND WOULD BE.
BUT I THINK AS IT GOES FORWARD, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD PERSONALLY AS IT GOES FORWARD TO COUNSEL AND WHAT YOU PRIORITIZE.
SO I WAS NOT TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE ANSWER, JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE.
THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL COULDN'T DO WHAT THEY WANT JUST DESPITE WHAT WE RECOMMEND.
AND I'VE, I'VE DONE THIS STRAW POLL JUST ASKING VARIOUS PEOPLE WHAT THEY THINK AND, AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT THAT WE ASK FOR.
AND, UH, 50 MILLION IS A LOT AND 60 MILLIONS MORE.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'D HAVE A BETTER CHANCE AT 50 AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE FUNDS SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THE CITY CAN ARRANGE SOMETHING.
I HEARD A STATISTIC RECENTLY THAT JUST SAID THAT, UH, FROM THE RECENT ELECTIONS, 66% OF THE MUNICIPAL BOND PROGRAMS FAILED.
AND SO IT'S, I, AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR ROLE DOESN'T END HERE.
THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND SELL THIS TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO IT, IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO DECIDE ON SOMETHING, BELIEVE IN WHAT WE'RE DECIDING ON, AND THEN GO HELP SELL IT BECAUSE THAT HA DOESN'T HAPPENS IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES.
AND SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS.
UM, THE LAST BOND ELECTION, A BOND BOND THAT WAS DONE, WAS THAT THE WIDENING OF MIDWAY ROAD OR THE, THE REDO OF, OF MIDWAY AND HOW MUCH WAS THAT? MIDWAY WAS 2012.
ACTUALLY IT JUST WRAPPED UP RELATIVELY RECENTLY.
UH, STEVEN, YOU WANNA COME SPEAK TO ALL THE COSTS? 'CAUSE I'LL GIVE YOU NUMBERS AND THEN CAN, AND AND THEN BEFORE THAT, I THINK THERE WAS, TO TAKE THE WIRES OUT ALONG BELTLINE ROAD WAS ANOTHER BOND.
HOW MUCH WAS THAT ONE? SO WE HAD, WE HAD A 2012 BOND AND A 2019 BOND.
EACH OF THEM HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO I'LL LET STEVEN TALK TO KIND OF WHAT THE OVERALL AMOUNTS WERE AND THEN SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
YEAH, THE, THE OVERALL AMOUNT WAS, WAS ABOUT 70.6 MILLION.
THERE WERE FIVE PROPOSITIONS THOUGH.
UM, SO THERE WERE TWO PROPOSITIONS RELATED TO STREET IMPROVEMENTS, UH, PROPOSITION, I THINK A AND B OR, OR ONE AND TWO.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE, HOW WE UH, LABELED THOSE.
BUT, UM, QUORUM DRIVE, MONTFORT DRIVE, UM, KELLER SPRINGS ROAD AND AIRPORT PARKWAY WHERE ALL THE FOUR MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION AND THAT MADE UP THE MAJORITY OF THAT, THAT BOND PROGRAM.
AND THOSE PROJECTS ARE EITHER IN DESIGN OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE WERE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ATHLETIC CLUB, UM, THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT.
THERE WERE SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL SYSTEM THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE, IN THAT BOND PROGRAM.
AND THEN THERE WERE IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING BUILDINGS, WHICH IS MOSTLY, UM, HVAC AND ROOF REPLACEMENTS AND SOME A DA IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES THROUGHOUT TOWN.
SO, UH, LOTS OF SMALLER PROJECTS RELATED TO THAT, BUT, UH, SE
[01:15:01]
OVERALL 70.6 MILLION.SO HOW LONG DOES IT, ARE WE STILL PAYING ON THAT BOND? WE ARE.
HOW LONG WILL THAT BOND BE? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR THAT BOND TO BE PAID FOR? UM, GENERALLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE SELL BONDS, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, BECAUSE THOSE HAD A USEFUL LIFE OF ABOUT 10 YEARS.
THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE 10 YEAR BONDS, BUT GENERALLY, UH, THEY'RE 20 YEAR BONDS.
SO WE, WE REPAY IT OVER 20 YEARS.
IF I COULD, I'LL JUST ADD ONE THING LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE LOOK AT OUR FORECAST AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU SEE THE DEBT SERVICE.
AND SO WHILE YES, WE HAVE THOSE FOR 20 YEARS, WE ALSO HAVE OTHER DEBT FALLING OFF IN THAT TIME.
SO IT REALLY ALL PLAYS TOGETHER.
SO AS DEBT FALLS OFF AND YOU ADD MORE DEBT, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT LEVEL OFF IN SOME WAY AS YOU GO FORWARD.
SO WE'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
STEVEN, WHAT, UH, AMOUNT DO YOU THINK IS, AND THAT MAYBE YOU CAN'T ANSWER, WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AMOUNT YOU CAN SUCCESS SUCCESSFULLY HAVE A BOND PASS?
SO I MEAN IF WE COME AT YOU FOR THIS 60 MILLION OR NOT 90 MILLION OR WHATEVER WHEN WE GET THROUGH.
YEAH, USUALLY, I MEAN, IT'S, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NOT THE SPECIFIC AMOUNT, IT'S MORE THE USE.
UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY BONDS TEND TO PERFORM BETTER THAN SAY A LIBRARY OR A CONVENTION CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO REALLY IT'S MORE THE TYPE OF OF USE THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ROAD PROJECTS A LOT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY PERFORM BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
GEN GENERALLY PERFORMS BETTER THAN SAY SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OF A WANT, NOT A NEED.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF HOW VOTERS JUST VIEW THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, PROJECT TYPE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING FORWARD.
TO MR. WHITEHEAD'S POINT, IF 66% OF BONDS FAIL, RIGHT? AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SOURCES, GRANTS, MONIES, FUNDS, ANY SALES TAX THAT WE CAN GO FROM AND THIS DOESN'T PASS, OUR POLICE NEED THIS RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN IT NEEDS TO, WHAT DO WE DO? I MEAN, I'M REALLY CONCERNED.
I MEAN, YEAH, I CAN GO OUT THERE, LISTEN, I CAN SELL THINGS.
WE WERE THE TOP, EVERYTHING IN SALES.
I CAN, I CAN SELL THINGS, BUT THIS IS, THIS CAN BE REALLY HARD TO SELL.
SO WHAT HAPPENS? WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T, WHAT DO WE DO? SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE A, AS, AS STEVEN MENTIONED BEFORE, IF WE HAVE A BOND ELECTION AND IT DOESN'T PASS FOR FIVE YEARS, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ELSE.
OH, WE CAN'T ISSUE, COS AT THAT TIME WE CAN'T TRY TO ISSUE DEBT.
SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY, WE WOULD FOCUS ON THE BUILDING AS WE HAVE FOR THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS OF A D DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE ITEMS AND TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN.
UM, BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY HERE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT'S NOT THE BEST SOLUTION.
AND I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SCARE YOU WITH THAT STATISTIC.
I REALLY, I WAS JUST TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE A POINT IN THE HISTORY OF ADDISON, THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN, UM, ONE TIME WHEN BOND ELECTIONS HAVE FAILED HERE.
AND IT WAS BECAUSE THE BOND COMMITTEE DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF SELLING IT.
AND IT WAS FOR, UH, BUILDING ANOTHER THEATER AND BUILDING A, UH, THE KAVANAUGH FLIGHT MUSEUM.
AND IT WAS TOTALLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SELL IT WELL.
SO THAT WAS REALLY MY POINT WAS NOT THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A HARD SELL.
I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDE ON SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE AND THE, AND THE THE CITIZENS UNDERSTAND IT, THEY'VE GENERALLY BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF POLICE AND FIRE.
AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE.
I MEAN, THERE WILL BE A NATURAL, UH, UH, GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WILL SUPPORT IT, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US TO TELL THE STORIES OF THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE, HAVE TO GET OUT AHEAD OF THAT.
BECAUSE THERE'S, IN ONE OF THE PO ELECTIONS THAT DID NOT PASS, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A GROUP WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS OPPOSED TO THAT.
AND, UH, THEIR, UH, MESSAGE GOT OUT A LITTLE QUICKER, UH, THAN, THAN, THAN THAN THE REST OF THE GROUP.
AND, AND OF COURSE THERE WAS SOME MISINFORMATION IN THERE THAT DIDN'T HELP.
UM, SO WE DO NEED TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT.
I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO BE MINDFUL THAT THESE ARE HARD TIMES.
I MEAN, YOUNG PEOPLE CAN'T BUY HOUSES RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES LIVING IN THE CIRCLE.
[01:20:01]
SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, PEOPLE WANT THE POLICE TO HAVE WHAT THEY WANNA HAVE, BUT THEY ALSO, THEIR POCKETBOOKS CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH.SO, I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR THINGS, BUT OFTENTIMES I DON'T HAVE THE, THE MONEY TO BACK UP WHAT IT, SO I MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE OR I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THINGS.
AND I WAS HONESTLY ON THE, ON THE TEAM THAT, UH, SHUT DOWN THAT FOR THAT BOND, UH, FOR THE MUSEUM AND ALSO THE THEATER.
AND WHAT I REMEMBER ABOUT IT WAS THERE WAS NOT MUCH EDUCATION AND PART OF MY FEELING AGAINST IT WAS THE FACT THAT IT WAS NOT GONNA BRING IN NEW TAX REVENUE YET TWO NONPROFITS THAT YOU WERE SUPPORTING.
UH, THIS IS QUITE DIFFERENT, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE BEGIN A, A, A UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT AMONGST THIS COMMITTEE.
'CAUSE IF WE'RE A SPLIT COMMITTEE, CLEARLY THAT PUTS THE BOND AT RISK RIGHT FROM THE GET COW.
SO I HOPE WE CAN COME TO SOME FULL CONSENSUS, UH, BY THE END OF THIS PROCESS.
I THINK ONE OF THE, WHAT WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS NOT HAVE THIS PASS.
AND SO THERE'S SOME OF THOSE THINGS, AND I THINK CHIEF EVEN ALLUDED TO IT, LIKE OBVIOUSLY WE LIKE THE GUN RANGE, BUT IF THAT PUSHES THAT NUMBER WHERE WE THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR THE CITIZENS TO BE WORSE.
'CAUSE IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING, THEY'RE NOT GETTING A NEW, NEW BUILDING.
SO WE NEED TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT.
WE DON'T WANNA PUSH 'EM OVER THE PUSH THE, THE CITIZENS OVER THE EDGE AND THEN WE HAVE FIVE YEARS WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING AND WE'RE JUST SPENDING MONEY ON THAT OLD BUILDING TRYING TO DO MAINTENANCE ON IT.
I WOULD, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE TIME NOW, I WAS GONNA SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE THE ARCHITECT WHEN, WHENEVER WE GET THE ARCHITECTS INVOLVED OR, OR WHATEVER TO, TO ME, THIS IS ADDISON.
WE HAVE, THIS IS A, LIKE THIS BUILDING HERE, IT'S A GREAT BUILDING.
IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FANCY, IT'S NOT THE TAJ MAHAL, BUT IT'S FUNCTIONAL.
SO THEIR DESIGN IN THE END CAN MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF DIFFERENCE ON THE OVERALL PROJECT COST.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE TO ME.
WELL, YOU COME UP WITH A BUDGET THEY NEED MAKING SURE THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT THE ENGINEERS AND THE ARCHITECTS DESIGNED TO THAT BUDGET ARE LESS THAN THAT BUDGET, HOPEFULLY
SO CAN, CAN THE, CAN THERE BE LIKE TWO BOND ISSUES? ONE FOR THE BUILDING, ONE FOR THE GUN RANGE, CAN YOU SPLIT IT? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE EARLIER.
WE, WE COULD HAVE A SEPARATE BOND PROPOSITION.
I THINK STEVEN WAS RIGHT TO POINT OUT THAT IT COULD BE CONFUSING TO THE VOTERS BECAUSE THE BOND PROPOSITIONS WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST COULD BE CONFUSING AS YOU WALK UP AND YOU SEE TWO BOND PROPOSITIONS THAT ARE WRITTEN VERY SIMILARLY, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION IF THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO, OKAY, SO, UM, THIS IS A SLIDE THAT WE SHOWED AND WENT OVER IN THE FIRST MEETING.
SO WE KIND OF SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON A $50 MILLION PROJECT AT THAT POINT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 5.60 CENT IMPACT TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY TAX RATE.
UM, AND THEN I KIND OF WENT OVER, YOU KNOW, EVERY $10 MILLION IN PROJECT COSTS, WHETHER INCREASES OR DECREASE IS ABOUT A 1.10 CENT, UH, IMPACT TO THE PROPERTY TAX RATE.
SO, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH WHAT WAS, UH, SHOWN EARLIER IS WHEN WE GET TO OPTIONS B AND C AND WE LOOK AT OPTION B.
SO WE'VE GOT A PROJECTION HERE, UM, FOR THAT OPTION.
SO WHERE WE GET TO ON THIS ONE IS A TAX RATE THAT THAT MAXES OUT ABOUT 67.60 CENTS.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF LINES UP AT THE TOP.
THE GRAY LINE IS, IS WITHOUT THE GUN RANGE INCLUDED THE PROPOSITION, THE DOTTED LINE, UH, VERY CLOSE TO THAT AMOUNT, UH, SAME AMOUNT.
UH, IT'S ONLY ABOUT A 1 CENT, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A 1 CENT DIFFERENCE IN THE PROPERTY TAX RATE TO INCLUDE THAT, UH, $10 MILLION, UH, FOR THE GUN RANGE.
SO, BUT THAT DOES TAKE THE, THE, WITH THE GUN RANGE TAX RATE UP TO ABOUT 68.60 CENTS.
SO AGAIN, ABOUT 1 CENT DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND THEN, AS DAVID KIND OF ALLUDED TO, WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT OPTION C, THESE ARE SO CLOSE IN PRICE THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A CHANGE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 0 CENTS ON THE TAX RATE.
SO ABOUT THREE 1000TH OF A CENT ON THE TAX RATE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, OPTIONS B OR OPTION C.
SO THAT DOES KIND OF LEAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY UP TO THE COMMITTEE, IF YOU DID WANT TO SAY EITHER OR OF THESE OPTIONS, UM, ARE GOOD
[01:25:01]
OPTIONS.UM, SO AGAIN, THIS ONE TAKES IT UP TO, TO THE SAME ABOUT 67 POINT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 7 CENTS ON THIS ONE.
SO A VERY SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, UH, WITH OPTION C.
SO ONE OPTION B WAS A $59 MILLION BUDGET.
THIS IS A $58.6 MILLION BUDGET AS, AS WAS PRESENTED EARLIER.
AND I WOULD JUST MAKE ONE NOTE AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE AND WE GOT THE SUGGESTION, AND, AND I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO SHOW THE TOTAL TAX RATE WE'RE SHOWING, THE O AND M IS FLAT, JUST FOR COMPARISON'S SAKE.
OUR GOAL, OUR INTENT IS FOR THAT TO BE DROP AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEARS, BOTH THROUGH EFFICIENCIES AND THROUGH INCREASED SALES TAX AND INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES.
BUT FOR COMPARISON SAKE, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS.
WE WANNA SHOW YOU A CONSERVATIVE AMOUNT, BUT JUST KNOW THROUGHOUT ALL THESE YEARS, OUR GOAL IS TO BRING THAT ORANGE VINE DOWN.
AND, AND THIS REALLY IS, IS A WORST CASE SCENARIO AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO OUT AND SELL OUR BONDS ARE GONNA BE SOLD AT A CERTAIN INTEREST RATE.
UM, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR PROVIDES US AN INTEREST RATE FOR THESE ESTIMATES BECAUSE ONE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE INTEREST RATES WILL BE WHEN WE GO OUT TO MARKET ON THESE BONDS.
BUT IF WE WERE TO SELL TODAY, RIGHT, UH, WE'D GET A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER INTEREST RATE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING IN THESE ESTIMATES, WHICH MEANS THAT IT WOULD TRANSLATE TO A LOWER TAX RATE THAN SHOWN IN THESE ESTIMATES AS WELL.
WHEN YOU SAY PROPERTY TAXES, WHAT PROPERTIES WILL BE TAXED AND IS THERE PROPERTIES THAT ARE DEFERRED TAX? UM, THERE ARE NOT PROPERTIES THAT ARE DEFERRED TAX.
UM, EVERY PROPERTY IN TOWN WILL, WOULD, PAYS THE SAME TAX.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME EXEMPTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING SOME OF YOUR, YOUR VALUE, YOU KNOW, KNOCKED DOWN.
UM, IF YOU'RE A SENIOR OR DISABLED, YOU GET SOME SOME EXEMPTION.
UH, BUSINESSES NOW UNDER, UH, $5 MILLION GET SOME, UM, THERE'S A CAP ON HOW MUCH THEIR PROPERTY VALUES CAN GO UP IN A YEAR.
UM, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A NEW EXEMPTION THAT'S STARTING NEXT YEAR RELATED TO BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY.
UM, BUT EVERY PROPERTY IS TAXED AT THE SAME TAX RATE, INCLUDING NEW APARTMENTS, INCLUDING WAREHOUSES? THAT'S CORRECT.
MERCHANT PROPERTIES, THAT'S CORRECT.
INDIVIDUAL HOMES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO I THINK OFF THAT POINT, THESE ARE CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES.
IF YOU GO BACK, AND WE MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT 2019, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, WE SHOWED THE TAX RATE GOING UP 5 CENTS, 10, 10.30 CENTS, 10 CENTS.
AND WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT AT ALL BECAUSE WE HAD PROPERTY VALUES GO UP, WE HAD BETTER INTEREST RATES, SO WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THAT MUCH LOWER.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THESE ARE CONSERVATIVE AND THESE ARE WORST CASE SCENARIOS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SHOW AS WE GO FORWARD AND GO TO THE VOTERS.
IS THERE A CHANCE TO SEE WHERE THOSE LINES WERE IN THE PAST BEYOND 2027? I MEAN, HISTORICALLY WHERE WE'VE BEEN FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, I DO, I ACTUALLY, I HAVE THAT, I HAVE IT GOING BACK FOR 10 YEARS, BUT I COULD ADD THAT TO, TO SHOW WHERE I THINK THAT WOULD HELP REFLECT WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
UM, SO IT'D BE NICE TO SEE THAT AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO SELL THE BOND TO THE CITIZENS AT LARGE.
STEVEN, DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE, UH, EMAIL QUESTIONS? UH, I DID.
SO, SO YOUR FIRST QUESTION WAS RELATED TO, UM, ONE, IF THERE WERE ANY PROPERTIES OR ANY, ANY OTHER PROJECTS INCLUDED IN THESE PROJECTIONS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THESE PROJECTIONS IS EVERYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR, IN THE TOWN'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT COUNCIL ADOPTS A BUDGET, AND THAT PART OF THAT BUDGET INCLUDES A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS, I THINK YOU MENTIONED A, A NEW FIRE STATION, ANYTHING THAT HASN'T GONE TO VOTERS, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PURCHASES OF SOME FIRE EQUIPMENT THAT'S INCLUDED IN HERE.
WE HAVE SOME, UH, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AT VITRUVIAN PARK AND THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THESE PROJECTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T SOLD THE BONDS FOR YET.
BUT THOSE ARE ALL INCLUDED IN OUR, IN OUR BUDGETING PROCESS AND OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN VOTED AS FAR AS HAVEN'T GONE TO VOTERS OR HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED BY COUNSELOR, NOT INCLUDED IN THESE.
BUT YOU HAVE AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WE DO, WHICH WAS CALLS FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT THEREOF.
AND A LOT OF, OF THOSE ASSET MANAGEMENT ITEMS, THOSE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT GENERALLY SELLING BONDS FOR THOSE, UNLESS IT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR ROAD RECONSTRUCTION.
LIKE THE ONES THAT VOTERS APPROVED IN 2019 WERE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED BY THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN.
A LOT OF WHAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE ASSET MANAGEMENT
[01:30:01]
PLAN IS, IS ACCOMPLISHED WITH EXISTING CASH RESERVES.UM, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY ISSUING BONDS FOR THOSE SMALLER TYPE PROJECTS THAT, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, TO ABSORB IN OUR EXISTING, UH, BUDGET.
SO GOING TO FIRE, LIKE YOU SAID, DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE AS TO WHEN DOES IT JUST, COUNSEL JUST CALLS WHEN THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A BOND ELECTION OR ISSUE COS OR WHATEVER, OR MR. HOLLY, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE AS TO WHEN THE FIRE IS ON THE SCHEDULE? BECAUSE TO ME I FEEL LIKE IT'S PROBABLY NEEDED PRETTY SOON.
SO I, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND NANCY AND GQ AND TOM KIND OF LIVED THIS AS WE WENT THROUGH IT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE HAD, UM, NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS ON ALL, ALL OF OUR FACILITIES BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS.
AND SO WE DID A FULL FACILITY ASSESSMENT, UM, AND WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND POLICE WAS BY FAR NUMBER ONE, SO IT WAS OUR SIGNIFICANT PRIORITY.
UH, THEN WE LOOKED AT, WELL, WHAT IS THE FUTURE FOR CITY HALL? OBVIOUSLY WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF COME UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION HERE.
POWER STATION WAS HIGH ON THE LIST, BUT WE ALSO, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THAT TIME IS MADE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE FIRE STATION THAT HAS PROLONGED THE LIFE SIGNIFICANTLY AND IT'S MADE IT WHERE IF YOU GO INTO FIRE STATION ONE RIGHT NOW WITH THE IMPROVEMENT AND BILL CAN SPEAK TO ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE TO FIRE STATION ONE, BUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE MADE IT WHERE IT IS A MUCH BETTER PLACE TO BE.
SO WHILE AT SOME POINT, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE'RE NEVER GONNA NEED TO REPLACE THAT, IT IS NOT SOMETHING AS WE LOOK TO THE NEXT 5, 6, 7 YEARS THAT IT'S, IT'S AN IMMEDIATE NEED BECAUSE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE MADE.
IT'S, UM, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO GO WALK THROUGH IT.
THE IMPROVEMENTS DO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE A A MUCH BETTER BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
BUT BILL CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO DO, MR. HOLLY, YOU LOOK FORWARD BACK THERE.
UH, BILL HOLLY, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES.
SO AT FIRE STATION ONE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, UH, NEW ROOF AND AIR CONDITIONING, UH, NEW DORM ROOMS, REDONE THE RESTROOMS REDONE THE KITCHENS, UH, PAINT, TILE, CARPET, UM, ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO SOME ELECTRICAL AND BAY DOORS SIGNAGE.
WE'VE REALLY TIGHTENED THOSE UP AND BROUGHT THOSE UP.
NOW THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE SHAPE, THE LAYOUT IS STILL ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, BUT IT IS ESSENTIALLY BEEN REDONE INSIDE AND ALL OF THE MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN REDONE AS WELL AT FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO, VERY SIMILAR WORK.
NOW WHETHER CHIEF JONES FEELS THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT SIZE OR WHAT'S THE FUTURE GROWTH AND, AND THOSE TYPE THING, THAT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION.
BUT THE INVESTMENTS MADE THROUGH THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND, UH, OUR GENERAL MAINTENANCE TYPE FUNDS, WE HAVE, UH, UH, PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO TO THOSE FACILITIES TO EXTEND THEIR LIFE.
AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE, I'M SORRY, MS. ROWLEY, DO YOU, DO YOU ANTICIPATE LIKE IT ADDED ANOTHER FIVE YEARS OR THE, HOW, HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU THINK? SO AS, AS MR. GAINES MENTIONED, WE'VE DONE THE FACILITY STUDIES MM-HMM
THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS AND THOUGHTS ALONG THOSE LINES, BUT FOR THE THE SHORT TERM, THE THE BEST USE OF MONEY WAS LET'S GET, LET'S, LET'S EXTEND THEIR LIFE.
UH, WE HAD PRIORITIES TAKE THE POLICE STATION, RIGHT.
UH, TOWN HALL AND, AND THIS ONE, THE POLICE STATION, AND THEN FIRE, UH, IN, IN MY OPINION, LOOKING AT THE, THE STUDIES IS KIND OF NE NEXT UP ON THE LIST TO, TO, TO LOOK AT, TO CONSIDER WHAT WHAT COULD OR SHOULD BE DONE.
SO, SO POSSIBLY IN UNDER FIVE YEARS, CLOSE TO FIVE AND UNKNOWN.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S CHIEF JONES IS IN HERE, SO I CAN I THINK IT'S, THINK IT'S, WE CAN MOVE ON.
I JUST WONDERED, ASSUME WE MIGHT HAVE AN, WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS WE MADE, WE HAVE FIVE YEARS AT LEAST, I THINK LONGER THAN THAT.
UM, BUT AT SOME POINT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND JIM, DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, FROM YOUR, THAT YOU SENT IN EARLIER? NO, I, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
AND I, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE NUMBERS AND I THINK THEY'RE CONSERVATIVE AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE, UH, COST ESTIMATING IT'S BEEN DONE.
WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT AGAIN IS VOTER APPROVAL.
CAN YOU GO BACK REAL QUICK, STEVE? UM, OBVIOUSLY I LIKE, UM, THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.
I JUST MEAN BACK IN YOUR COMMENTS.
OH, I LIKE THE, AND APPRECIATE THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, BUT TO GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FEEL EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS.
WHAT WAS THE RATE THAT YOU DID USE HERE? THE
[01:35:01]
FACILITY IS, IS IN THERE AT 5%.SO IF WE WENT AND SOLD BONDS TODAY, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT LOOKING AT 3.75, UM, IN THAT RANGE MARGIN.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UNKNOWNS, INTEREST RATES CAN FLUCTUATE.
I THINK THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR A LITTLE BIT SPOOKED FROM 2020 AND 2021.
SO, UM, BUT 5% IS GENERALLY WHAT THEY PUT IN I ANYTHING THAT WE'RE ISSUING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE THE, THE BONDS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA SELL HERE IN UM, JANUARY.
WE HAVE THOSE PROGRAMMED IN RIGHT AT 3.75%.
THANK YOU, MR. GLITMAN, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME FOR US, UH, FOR YOU TO, UH, REMIND US WITH THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN UP HERE.
UM, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE COSTS, REMIND US HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE IN THIS TOWN TO HAVE 85%, UH, COMMERCIAL, UM, PARTICIPATION IN THE PAYING OF THE TAXES.
AND, AND I, I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE, PUT THAT UP THERE FOR YOU.
SO I MEAN, WE, AND WE DO THIS WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR BUDGET, SO I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR BUDGET PROCESS EVERY YEAR WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF OUR GENERAL FUND IS FUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX.
SO ABOUT 8% OF THE GENERAL FUND IS FUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX.
SO WITH THAT SAID, WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE A TAX BASE OF RIGHT NOW $6.7 BILLION, UM, ABOUT 16% OF THAT IS, IS FROM RESIDENCE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN TOWN.
SO THE OTHER 84% IS COMING FROM COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPERTIES.
UM, SO, SO A BIG PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY TAX BASE IS NOT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO, WHICH IS A DELIGHTFUL NUMBER FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, UM, THE 85%.
SO, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE, THAT COMMERCIAL PE UH, OWNERS, THEY DON'T VOTE, THEY WON'T BE VOTING ON THIS BOND.
SO, UH, IT IT'LL BEHOOVE US TO HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION IN THE LITERATURE THAT'S DEVELOPED FOR, FOR THE BOND, UM, INFORMATION THAT'S GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
OH, I DID HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE BEFORE THAT, I THINK.
UM, SO THIS LIST ALL OF THE OPTIONS WITH THE REVISED OPTIONS FOR B AND C AND THEN THE QUESTION WE GOT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS WHAT'S THE IMPACT, UH, PER $100,000 VALUATION? I THINK THIS IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE NUMBERS THAT I SAID AT THAT POINT, BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE OPTIONS B AND C VERY CLOSE EVERY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PROPERTY VALUE.
YOU'RE ABOUT $66 IN, IN PROPERTY TAXES PER YEAR.
AND THEN THE BOND PROPOSITION LANGUAGE.
SO AS WE MENTIONED, THIS LANGUAGE DOES PROVIDE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GONNA SAY DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, ACQUISITION IMPROVEMENT AND EQUIPMENT INCLUDING LAND PURCHASE.
SO IT'S GONNA REALLY COVER ANYTHING.
IF THIS COMMITTEE WAS TO RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, AN EXISTING OR A NEW FACILITY, NEW CONSTRUCTION, THAT THIS REALLY COVERS ALL OF THOSE BASES.
UM, FOR ANY OF THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY IT COVERS B AND C.
UM, SO REALLY YOU'RE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH AN, YOU KNOW, IT'S RELATED TO ANY OF THESE, UH, TYPES OF WORK RELATED TO THE ONLY RESTRICTION IS POLICE FACILITY.
SO, UM, ANYTHING RELATED TO A POLICE FACILITY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, WITH THIS BOND LANGUAGE 40 YEAR, 40 YEARS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU THAT, THAT'S A STATUTORY LIMITATION.
SO WHEN WE, SO WHEN WE SELL THESE BONDS, THERE'LL BE 20 YEAR QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I KNOW IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION SO YOU KNOW HOW TO PREPARE FOR OUR, OUR FINAL MEETING.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION BASED ON WHAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY OR DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RUSS? UH, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN AND I THINK THE MORE WE CAN HEAR FROM Y'ALL AND IF YOU, I MEAN WHATEVER DIRECTION WE CAN GET IS, IS GONNA MAKE THE NEXT MEETING GO AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE HAVE A GOOD CONSENSUS AND IF THERE ARE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, WE WILL BRING THOSE.
SO THE NEXT MEETING COULD BE A SHORTER, AS LONG AS IT'S NEEDED FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE, UH, TAKE AN ACTION.
SO THE MORE WE HEAR FROM YOU, IF, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO SAY, I THINK WE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO
[01:40:01]
HEAR SPEAK.NOW HOW ABOUT A STRAW POLL RIGHT NOW FOR, UH, 50 OR 60? I WOULDN'T CALL IT A STRAW POLL, BUT MAYBE GO AROUND AND IF YOU WANT TO, I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIR HOW YOU WANT TO SURE.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA END UP REALIZING SAVINGS OUT OF THIS, OUT OF THE OVERALL BUDGET.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A NUMBER OF, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT 55 TO 58 MILLION JUST SEEMS RIGHT TO ME.
AND IF WE DON'T GET ENOUGH SAVINGS OUT OF IT, MAYBE THEN GENERAL FUND COMES UP WITH THE, THE DIFFERENCE TO GET THE GUN RANGE IN THERE.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT GUN RANGE ON THERE AS A SEPARATE ITEM.
'CAUSE IF IT GETS TURNED DOWN, WE CANNOT BUILD IT FOR FIVE YEARS.
SO I I I, I JUST THINK EVERYBODY I'VE HEARD HAS SAID STEVEN'S STUFF ARE, STEVEN'S THINGS ARE SUPER CONSERVATIVE.
THE ESTIMATOR STUFF IS SUPER CONSERVATIVE.
I THINK DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS WE, THEY CAN DESIGN TO A BUT LESS THAN THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY OPINION ON WHERE WE SHOULD GO WITH THIS.
UM, THIS, THE BOND PROPOSITION LANGUAGE, THE VERY FIRST THING YOU SEE, THIS IS A TAX INCREASE AND BURIED IN ALL OF THIS WRITING IS WHAT IT'S FOR.
AND I THINK SOMEHOW WE NEED TO PUT THE POLICE, EVERYBODY IN THIS TOWN REALLY LIKE, LOVES THE POLICE.
WE HAVE A GREAT POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND BURYING WHAT IT'S FOR IN THIS LANGUAGE REALLY SCARES ME BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SEE TAX INCREASE.
NO, WE, WE ARE, I THINK THAT'S A VALID POINT THAT YOU SHOULD, WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR STATE LEGISLATURES AT SOME POINT YOU SHOULD MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT POINT TO THEM.
SO THIS IS ALL STATUTORY, THE LANGUAGE IS VERY PRECISE ON THE WAY THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, TO DEVELOP IT FOR THE VOTERS FROM THE STATE.
YEAH, JIM, I'VE GOT MIXED EMOTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO, TO GET THE AMOUNT THAT WE CAN GET APPROVED.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY ESSENTIAL THAT WE MOVE ON WITH THIS.
AND IF THAT'S 55, I'M GOOD WITH THAT AS A COMPROMISE.
I THINK, UM, I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING STATED SOMETHING UNDER THE 60 UM, MEASURE.
UH, I THINK THAT PRESENTS A LITTLE BETTER.
I CAN PROBABLY HAVE A APPETITE OF MORE, LIKE, MORE LIKE 58, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TALKING SMALL DOLLARS NOW.
BUT, BUT, UM, AND, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, FRAN, I THINK, UH, I AGREE WITH THE LANGUAGE, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UM, TO EXPAND ON WHAT RON SAID, I THINK WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT OR SHOULD BE ABLE, IF WE DO OUR JOBS, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT BY EDUCATING BEFORE THEY GET TO THE POLL AND READ THE, READ THE LANGUAGE.
SO I JUST WANT AROUND 58 OR LESS.
I I REALLY HAVE KINDA STRUGGLED NOT WITH THE AMOUNT.
I MEAN FRANKLY I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER'S IMPORTANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT NEEDS TO BE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I'VE KINDA STRUGGLED WITH THE, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A NEW BUILDING IS KIND OF EASIER THAN BUYING ONE AND RETROFITTING IT.
BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'VE KIND OF HONED IN ON ONE SITE.
I REALIZE THAT'S NOT SET IN STONE, BUT IF THERE WERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THEN, YOU KNOW, BUDGETING'S JUST A SERIES OF CHOICES IS ALL IT IS.
AND SO IF YOU WERE ABLE TO FIND AN OPPORTUNITY, WHATEVER THAT IS, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO ALSO DO THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO, DO THE RANGE AND DO WHATEVER ELSE.
IF, YOU KNOW, I I, THERE ARE SOME BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ALL SURFACE PARKING, SO MAYBE YOU DON'T, YOU CAN BUY A BUILDING WITH SURFACE PARKING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO, UH, PARKING GARAGE OR SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL ARE GONNA DIRECT THAT PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, DAVID, THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT BUT, SO MY POINT IS THIS IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ALL INCLUDED, BUT, UM, I REALIZE THERE'S A SENSITIVITY TO THE 60 MILLION REALLY.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE THERE IS IN 50 MILLION AND 60 MILLION, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE THERE IS SOME.
I I I DON'T KNOW, BUT, SO I'M KIND OF MIXED ON THAT.
I AGREE TOTALLY WITH BOB AND I'LL
[01:45:01]
WORK VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COME OUT OF THIS WITH A CONSENSUS THAT WE CAN GO TO THE PUBLIC WITH.'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S CRUCIAL.
I, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, RON, I THINK THAT SELLING IT TO THE PEOPLE IS A 40-YEAR-OLD BUILDING, AND IF IT'S MADE IT 40 YEARS, I THINK THIS BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY MAKE IT ANOTHER 40 YEARS BEING THAT SAID, IF YOU KEEP IT AT ABOUT 55, 58, SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA, I REMEMBER YESTERDAY WHEN WE WERE IN ROANOKE, THEY TALKED ABOUT, I THINK THEY HAD A $52 MILLION BOND AND THEY CAME IN AT 47 MILLION WITH THOSE NUMBERS, 55, 52, AND THEY CAME IN AT 47 AND THEY ADDED SOME THINGS.
SO BEING THAT SAID, I THINK JASON, WE, I THINK IN CONSTRUCTION YOU COULD PROBABLY SQUEEZE A LITTLE BIT MORE OR A LITTLE BIT LESS OUT OF THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE GONNA COME IN A LITTLE BIT SHY OF WHAT 58 IS, ESPECIALLY TOURING THE BUILDINGS.
WHEN WE TOURED, UH, CARROLLTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY FINISHED CONSTRUCTION IN 2017, THEY SPENT $23 MILLION ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT JUST GOES, SHOWS YOU WHAT ESCALATION IS FROM 2017 ALL THE WAY UP TO 2025 AND 2019 2020 2021 AND BEING IN CONSTRUCTION, I FOLLOW, AND I, I REMEMBER WHEN CONCRETE WAS $85 A SQUARE YARD, NOW IT'S $300 A SQUARE YARD OR CUBIC YARD.
SO BEING THAT SAID, I, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A HARD SALE, BUT IT'S, WE JUST NEED TO ALL STICK TOGETHER I THINK.
I MEAN, I THINK, UH, IF WE COULD GET IT AT 55, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
YOU KNOW IT, I AGREE WITH YOU RON.
WHAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 50 AND 60 MILLION AT OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME? NOT A HUGE AMOUNT, BUT WHEN SOMEONE LOOKS AT IT ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND THEY THINK OF THEIR OWN OWN TERMS OF HOWEVER THEY, HOWEVER THEY SENSE MONEY, IT, IT LOOKS DIFFERENT TO THEM.
YOU KNOW? SO THE POINT IS, UM, I'M, I'M, I COULD BE PERSUADED TO, TO DOING ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS, BUT WE NEED TO, OUR NUMBER ONE FOCUS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS THING PASSED.
SO AN EASIER SELL IS SOMETHING THAT GETS PASSED EASIER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I THINK, UH, LIKE WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY WITH THAT $52 MILLION PROJECT, WHICH IS VERY COMPLETE, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ADDED SOME BECAUSE THEY CAME IN AT 47.
I I, I THINK THE 59 IS PROBABLY VERY CONSERVATIVE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT 55 IS THE MAGICAL NUMBER, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO NEED TO AGREE ON IS WHAT IT IS WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I, I DON'T WANT TO JUST SELECT THE NUMBER BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER.
I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW, AND MAYBE STEPH CAN LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND JUST HONE IN ON IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IT DOWN TO 55 AND THAT THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE MORE PRESENTABLE.
UM, SO, AND I AGREE WITH TOM AND THE REST OF THE GANG TOO.
I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE THIS PASS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF BREAKING OUT THE GUN RANGE IS PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION RIGHT NOW TO ME.
I, I LIKE WHAT RON SAID ABOUT HAVING AN OPTION TO LOOK AT ANOTHER SITE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF ANOTHER, AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO EVEN TRIM THAT EVEN FURTHER IF WE GET A GOOD DEAL ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE, WE NEED TO LEAVE THOSE OPTIONS OPEN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE STRUCTURE THAT MORNING WISE TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUY GAS, IT'S 3 49 0.9.
THE REASON THEY'RE DOING THAT IS TO MAKE IT SEEM CHEAPER IN YOUR HEAD.
[01:50:01]
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO A, A 60 MILLION, BUT YOU DO A 59 OR YOU DON'T DO, OR YOU DO A 64 MILLION, YOU DON'T DO A 65.SO PSYCHOLOGICALLY IT, IT IS IN THE FACTOR.
UM, BUT I KNOW WE'RE NOT ASKING NOW, BUT I'M SAYING POLICE STATION WITH THE GUN RANGE.
OH, BY THE WAY, ONE MORE THING.
I'M NOT GONNA GO AGAINST ANYBODY AND HAVE THIS POLICE STATION NOT PRESENTED TO THEM.
WHATEVER EVERYBODY AGREES ON, I'M WITH YOU.
I'M WITH YOU, SCOTT, IN THAT, UM, OUR POLICE HAVE LIVED WITH A LOT AND AS MUCH AS LIKE, I'M PROBABLY OUT OF ALL OF YOU HERE, I'M PROBABLY ON THE TIGHTEST BUDGET AND UH, I DEFINITELY AM A COUPON CLIPPER.
SO, UH, YEAH, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT MINDSET THAT THE 58.9 WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER THAN A 60 FOR, UH, SOMEONE LIKE ME LOOKING AT IT.
UM, BUT AS A MOTHER, THERE'S SOMETHING YOU CAN'T SKIP ON EVER.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SKIP ON SAFETY AND ADDISON IS ADDISON BECAUSE OF OUR POLICE.
AND TO MR. WHITEHEAD'S POINT BETWEEN 55 AND, AND SIX, YOU KNOW, I I HONESTLY FEEL LIKE IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO OUR POLICE TO EVEN, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT OUR, OUR VOTERS, I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE IT SOUND THAT WAY.
I KNOW THAT OUR VOTERS AND WHAT THEY PAY AND OUR TAXPAYERS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT OUR POLICE DESERVE THE BEST.
AND THE COUNCIL'S GOING TO GO OVER THIS ANYHOW WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB.
AND STAFF'S GONNA GO OVER THIS WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB.
AND SO THE MESSAGE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEND IS, IF THIS IS WHAT THE EXPERTS HAVE SAID IS WHAT WOULD SUFFICIENTLY FIT OUR POLICE NEEDS, THEN, THEN THAT'S GREAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE GUN RANGE INCLUDED.
UM, I, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SEE THAT SEPARATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW DO, DO WE HAVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT ON HOW MUCH THAT WOULD AFFECT THE BOTTOM LINE WITH THE GUN RANGE? ANOTHER 10 MILLION.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE IT 68 MILLION INSTEAD OF 58 MILLION FOR OPTION C? YEAH.
ALTHOUGH WE ALSO THINK THE COULD MILLION IS HIGH.
AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE, WE CAN LOOK AT THE GUN RANGE A LITTLE CLOSER.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE PUT IN A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER THAT WE CAN LOOK AT VERY CLOSE.
WELL, SO I, I WOULD, I SAW A $7 MILLION ADJUSTMENT OR SOMETHING EARLIER WITH THE GUN, WITH THE, OR THE GUN RANGE, DID WE? PAGE 26.
WELL, YEAH, AND WE, WE CAN'T GO BACKWARDS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE.
UH, WOULD AGREE WITH TOM THERE THAT, UH, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT, UH, THE PERCENTAGE IS, UH, WE'RE VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE FROM EVERYONE WE'VE HEARD.
SO FEEL CONFIDENT THAT, THAT THOSE NUMBERS CAN BE ADJUSTED.
UH, THEY'LL BEAR, THEY'LL BEAR, UH, FRUIT BE BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE, WE WERE GIVEN A, A MORE CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ONCE IT GETS TO COUNCIL, UH, THERE CAN BE SOME, UM, SOME ENGINEERING, VALUE ENGINEERING DONE, UH, WHICH COULD BRING DOWN THE COST.
I'M IN FAVOR OF, UH, INCLUDING THE, UH, THE GUN RANGE.
I THINK THAT'S THE, THE 50 YARDS.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT, UH, A, UH, MODERN POLICE FORCE REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE.
UH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 60, YOU KNOW, LIKE NANCY SAID, UH, 66 60, UM, PUT THAT NUMBER THERE JUST BELOW 60.
IF, UH, IF THE COUNCIL IS, UH, IS CHALLENGED WITH THAT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL ADJUST IT.
THEY'LL ASK STAFF TO, TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO IT.
WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT WE GET SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE CAMPAIGN THAT THE TOWN'S GONNA PUT FORTH SO THAT IT CAN ARM THIS GROUP TO GO OUT AND FEEL CONFIDENT WITH WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING SO THAT WE DON'T GET TO THE, TO THE INFORMATION AND SAY, WELL, WHY WASN'T THIS, WE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, IN THE GROUP, WHY WASN'T THAT PUT INTO THE LITERATURE? SO I'M, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THE SAUSAGE WAS MADE IN THE LAST, UH, IN THE 2019 BOND LITERATURE THAT WAS HANDED OUT.
I SO CAN MAYBE YOU CAN TALK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, DAVID, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT MY STAFF WAS WHAT I WILL SAY, AND IT'S, AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, IT WILL BRING IT UP FOR THE FIRST TIME IF WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, ALL WE CAN PUT OUT IS FROM STAFF IS FACTUAL INFORMATION.
COUNSEL CAN ONLY GET FACTUAL INFORMATION.
YOU ALL WILL NO LONGER BE, YOU KNOW, A PART OF THE TOWN OF THAT TIME.
[01:55:01]
TO SPEAK TO IT ALL YOU WANT.SO WE WILL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESENT ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE MOST FACTUAL WAY POSSIBLE.
THAT IS, IS ALL THE RE RELEVANT INFORMATION FOR FOLKS TO MAKE A DECISION.
UM, SO WE CAN COMMIT THAT IT'S GONNA BE A THOROUGH DOCUMENT THAT TOUCHES ON EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T OVERTLY SELL IT.
SO IS IF SINCE WE WILL BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SELL IT OR, AND OR SPEAK AGAINST IT, UNDERSTAND THAT, CAN WE AS AN INDIVIDUAL COME TO THE CITY LATER ON AND SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE THIS DATA TO GO AND PRESENT TO MY FELLOW RESIDENTS, AND CAN WE ASK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AS A RESIDENT WHO'S BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE, WE WILL HAVE A, SO AS WE HAVE IN THE, AS WE DID IN 2019, AS ALL CITIES DO, WE WILL HAVE A WEBSITE THAT HAS ALL THAT INFORMATION.
SO YOU CAN POINT FOLKS TO THAT.
IT'LL HAVE LITERATURE AND THINGS LIKE, AND, AND THAT INFORMATION, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
WELL, I, THAT KIND OF DOES BECAUSE THAT, BUT, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S GOTTA BE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT HAS TO BE NEUTRAL 'CAUSE THE TOWN CAN'T TAKE A STANCE IN THAT.
SO IF ONE OF US FEELS LIKE, UH, THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT WASN'T PROVIDED, OR IT MAY BE SEEM, IF WE WERE TO PUT IT, IF THE TOWN WAS TO PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE, YOU MAY DEEM THAT IT'S A LITTLE SLANTED.
I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT THERE, GQ, BUT YOU ARE WELCOME TO GET THIS INFORMATION AND, AND SHARE IT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WILL, ANYONE HERE WILL BE ABLE TO STEP UP TO YOU AND SAY, CAN I GET THESE NUMBERS AND WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE.
I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE MY STATEMENT WITH THAT.
BUT IF I COULD,
BUT THERE PROBABLY WILL NEED TO BE THE FORMATION OF A GROUP THAT RAISES MONEY TO PRODUCE, YOU KNOW, UM, INFORMATION ALSO BASED, BASED ON WHAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THE FACTUAL STUFF THE CITY PROVIDES.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT REALLY IS SORT OF THE, THE AVENUE FOR THAT TO GET DONE.
AND UM, AND THERE COULD ALSO BE ONE THAT FORMS ON THE OTHER SIDE TO, TO OPPOSE IT, BUT LIKE, FRIENDS OF THE POLICE
SO YES, WE'D, UH, BOTTOM LINE IS I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SAMPLES SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT THE CAMPAIGN MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
WE CAN GET, OH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN PROVIDE A DRAFT OF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO NOW.
ULTIMATELY WHAT WE PUT OUT, WE'LL BE, HAVE MORE BEHIND IT.
IT'LL BE REVIEWED BY BOND COUNCIL BEFORE, BEFORE WE PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT TO GIVE EXAMPLES, ESPECIALLY AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR CONSIDERATION.
YEAH, WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST BRING 2, 9, 20 19, THOSE, SOME OF THOSE FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE BECAUSE IT'S, YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
YOU CAN SEE HOW IT WAS LAID OUT SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.
WE AS A COMMITTEE CAN TAKE A STAND ON WHICHEVER DIRECTION WE WANNA GO.
SO I AGREE THAT THE 59 IS MORE CONSERVATIVE, SOUNDS MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN 60.
BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT WE, THE CITIZENS NEED TO HAVE ONE OF THE BEST TRAINED POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO PROTECT NOT ONLY THEMSELVES, BUT TO PROTECT US HERE IN ADDISON, PROTECT ANY VISITORS OR ANYTHING ELSE HERE.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, IN MY OPINION, TO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THAT GUN RANGE.
WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN PROFESSION.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE TRAINING IS THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH.
WHATEVER OUR JOB IS, WHATEVER CAREER REACH HELPS.
SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR OVER 38 YEARS, I KNOW THE TRAINING THAT IT TAKES.
I JUST BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THIS GUN RANGE IN THERE.
FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS WITH AN AGENCY THAT DOES NOT HAVE OUR OWN GUN RANGE CLOSE BY, WE HAVE TO GO TO SOUTH DALLAS.
TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET OVER THERE.
IT TAKES A WHOLE DAY AWAY FROM OUR DISTRICT, OUR PRECINCT.
UH, AND GETTING BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED THE CHIEF, AND THANK YOU CHIEF FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION, IN REFERENCE TO HAVING A FACILITY CLOSE BY, I MYSELF PERSONALLY NOTICED SOMETHING WITH MY OWN DUTY WEAPON.
I DIDN'T HAVE A GUN RANGE TO GO TO, TO GO TEST IT.
I NOTICED IT WHEN I WAS OUT IN THE FIELD, ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SOMETHING DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT.
I IMMEDIATELY WENT BACK TO THE PRECINCT, ALWAYS CARRY
[02:00:01]
A BACKUP, WENT TO THE PRECINCT.WE DID HAVE AN EXTRA FIREARM FOR ME TO HAVE, BUT NOT ALL AGENCIES HAVE THAT ENDED UP COMING DOWN TO EAGLE.
AND THERE WAS A MALFUNCTION WITH MY SPRING WHILE I WAS ON DUTY.
THERE WAS A MALFUNCTION WITH MY SPRING.
I DIDN'T HAVE A GUN RANGE TO WALK OUT OF THE PRECINCT TO GO TEST THAT.
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN REALLY BAD.
UH, AND THAT EXACTLY, CHIEF IS WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS, IS IT ALSO NECESSARY TO HAVE SOMETHING CLOSE BY ON A REGULAR BASIS? BECAUSE IF YOU DO HAVE A MALFUNCTION, OR IF YOU DO HAVE AN ALTERCATION AND YOU DROP YOUR WEAPON, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ADDISON IS A LITTLE MORE FORTUNATE TO HAVE EXTRA FIREARMS. NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY IF EITHER THE TOWN COMES UP WITH SOME MORE MONEY, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THESE NUMBERS TO TRY TO, YES, 59 IS MORE CONSERVATIVE.
I, AGAIN, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ONE OF THE BEST TRAINED POLICE DEPARTMENTS FOR OUR OWN SAFETY.
BELIEVE ME, I'M STILL WORKING.
UH, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE APPROACH THIS IN THE PROPER MANNER, SELL OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THE WAY WE NEED TO AS A COMMITTEE, I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON IT.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MISS THE TOURS, UM, TO THE CARROLLTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO TO THE ROANOKE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, I THINK IT WAS VERY FASCINATING TO SEE CARROLLTON DEPARTMENT HAD AN OLD BUILDING THAT THEY, THEY KEPT AND MODIF MODIFIED AND THEN THEY, THEY ADDED TO IT.
THAT'S WHY THE COSTS WERE A LITTLE BIT LOWER, EVEN THOUGH THE COSTS WERE LOWER.
'CAUSE IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME.
THE ROOKE BUILDING WAS BUILT ON, UH, BASICALLY RAW LAND THAT WAS OPEN AND COULD SPREAD OUT.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE MORE LAND THAN WE HAVE.
AND WE HAVE, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND STORE.
BUT I THINK IT WAS FASCINATING TO SEE THE SIMILARITIES IN A MODERN FACILITY AND WHAT THEY DO.
AND COMPARED TO OUR EXISTING STRUCTURE, CLEARLY IT'S OUTDATED.
UM, AND I THINK THE ADDISON IN THE, IN ANY CAMPAIGN, THE ADDISON VOTER HAS TO REALLY REALIZE, I THOUGHT ABOUT IF I WAS A POLICE CANDIDATE, WHY WOULD I GO TO ADDISON WHEN THESE OTHER FACILITIES ARE JUST TOP NOTCH? AND ADDISON IS JUST CRAMMED
SO CLEARLY I THINK EXPRESSING THE, THE NEED, UH, BECAUSE IT IS OUTDATED, BECAUSE THE POLICE FORCE HAS DOUBLED IN SIZE SINCE 19, THE EARLY 1980S HAS TO BE PRESSED UPON.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE WAYS, IF WE CAN SHOW IN OUR CAMPAIGN THAT WE DID, WE WERE COGNIZANT.
'CAUSE I'VE HAD, UM, SOME PEOPLE SAY, OH, THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO BUILD A TAJ MAHAL POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THE POLICE PAC WAS, IS INVOLVED.
THIS, THEY'RE CASHING IN THEIR CHIPS.
I'VE SEEN THE RICHARDSON POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE THAT, UH, WILL SAY, UH, CLEARLY SOME OF THESE, I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO THE RICHARD RICHARDSON POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN PLAY BASKETBALL IN THE FOYER OF IT.
WHICH OF COURSE THEY HAD EXTRA LAND TO DO SO.
SO I THINK IF WE, IN OUR CAMPAIGN POINT OUT WHERE WE DID, WERE REASONABLE, WE WERE PRUDENT WITH THE, THE TAXPAYERS MONEY, WE'RE ABLE TO SHOW IT IN A CAMPAIGN.
LIKE HOW MUCH WOULD IT ACTUALLY COST AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR A HOMEOWNER OF THE $400,000 HOME, A 500, A 600, A 700,000 HOME.
SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY SAY, YEAH, I'M PAYING AN EXTRA, IS IT $250 A MONTH? THAT'S WORTH IT BECAUSE WE KNOW THE ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO NEEDS TO BE STAFFED AND IT'S GONNA BE GROWING BECAUSE OF THE ADVENT OF NEW APARTMENTS.
UM, SO I THINK AS FAR AS THE GUN RANGE, I, I FEEL WE SHOULD LEAVE IT OUT, BUT HOPEFULLY, UH, USE IT LIKE AN ANNEX EVENTUALLY OVER THE COURSE OF A VERY SHORT TIME PERIOD, HAVE THE FIVE OR $10 MILLION TO PUT IT IN.
SO I'M THINKING ABOUT THE GUN RANGE AND WE HAVEN'T SPOKE ABOUT IT, BUT WE ALL KIND OF KNOW IN THE BACK OF OUR HEADS, IF SOMEBODY'S IMPROPERLY TRAINED AND THEY SHOOT SOMEBODY THAT THEY SHOULDN'T, HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? SO THEN THE GUN RANGE PRICE JUST WENT UP A LOT 'CAUSE YOU GOT A LAWSUIT.
SO JUST IN THE BACK OF THE MIND, WE NEED THE POLICEMEN ALL ALL TRAINED WELL AND KNOW THEIR FIREARMS AND NOT PUT ANY LIMITATIONS ON THE MOST DEADLY THING THEY CARRY.
AND MAYBE IS THERE A WAY TO USE, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE WANNA PAY AS WE GO TO GET THE GUN RANGE, COULD WE USE THE EXISTING GUN RANGE FOR A TIME PERIOD? OR DOES THAT GET SCRAPED AND GIVEN BACK TO THE AIRPORT? SO OUR PLAN IS TO USE THE, IN WHATEVER OPTION, IF WE HAVE AN OPTION WHERE WE'RE NOT BUILDING A NEW ONE, IS TO USE THE EXISTING GUN RANGE
[02:05:01]
UNTIL WE CAN BUILD ONE.UH, IT'S NOT IDEAL TO HAVE IT ON THE AIRPORT, BUT THAT'S OUR PLAN GOING FORWARD.
YEAH, TO YOUR POINT, BOB, ONE OF THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT THE FIRE, FIRE CHIEF, THE POLICE CHIEF MADE YESTERDAY IN, IN ROANOKE WAS THAT IT REALLY IMPROVED THE RECRUITING.
AND THAT'S A POINT THAT, AND I THINK WE KIND OF O OVERLOOKED HERE TODAY, BUT I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
IT'S PARTICULARLY FOR, FOR ADDISON AND THE CONDITION OF THIS CURRENT FACILITY THEY HAVE NOW.
I THINK IT MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, RON, WELL, TO BOB AND TOM'S POINT, I, I THINK SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF BUILDING THE CASTLE ON THE HILL.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTH LAKE AND GRAND PRAIRIE AND SOME OF THOSE, THERE ARE THESE JUST HUGE FACADE, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT THE CHIEF'S INTERESTED IN.
HE'S TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS PEOPLE TO BE, UH, INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT, THAT YOU'RE NOT.
AND SO A LOT OF THIS IS ABOUT CHOICE OF BUILDING MATERIALS.
AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF SAVINGS THAT COULD BE IF WE DO IT INTELLIGENTLY, RATHER THAN BUILDING SOME KIND OF EDIFICE.
UH, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS IN A LOT OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
THERE'S SOME REALLY NICE POLICE, UH, STATIONS THAT AREN'T THE CASTLE ON THE HILL.
WHEN WE WERE TOURING, UH, CARROLLTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAD ZO TILE, WHICH IS, UM, PROBABLY $7,500 A SQUARE FOOT.
I, YOU KNOW, WELL THAT'S WHAT I, I RESEARCHED IT.
BUT WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE RO NOTE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAD TILE AND THEY ALSO HAD TILE ON THE WALLS FOUR FEET UP SO THAT THE GUNS AND THE, THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY CARRY AND ALL THAT DOESN'T DAMAGE THE WALLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHICH IT, WHICH YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARROLLTON, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 2015 COMPARED TO ROANOKE.
IT'S NOT AS, IT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE.
I THINK AS FAR AS THE ITEMS THAT THEY USED.
JUST WANTED TO SAY ON, ON TUESDAY NIGHT, WE SAID A LOT.
WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE WITH, WITH WHAT WE DO AND WHERE WE SPEND MONEY AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
AND TO ME, THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN, THAN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY ARE THE REASON WHY WE CAN HAVE THESE INCREDIBLY INSANE PARTIES AND NOT DESTROY OUR LIVES.
AND SO I I REALLY THINK THAT, UM, THE GUN RANGE IS WE, WE NEED TO HAVE, NOT JUST FOR RECRUITING, BUT FOR THEIR PRACTICE, FOR EVERYTHING.
WE NEED TO HAVE THE ABSOLUTE BEST FOR OUR POLICE STATION, FOR OUR POLICE STAFF BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT.
REALLY GREAT AND HEALTHY DIALOGUE.
UM, DO YOU SARAH DAVE, FEEL LIKE, UH, YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WITH OPERATION? I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE ENOUGH TO, UH, WHAT WE WILL DO IS BRING BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, SOME OF THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT COULD BE USED, SOME OF THE FOLLOW, A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL ANSWER.
BUT I THINK WE CAN, WE'LL ALSO BRING BACK A DRAFT, UM, RECOMMENDATION BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD.
YOU ALL CAN CHANGE IT, GO WHEREVER YOU WANT WITH IT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TAKE WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND TRY TO HEAR A CONSENSUS OF, OF WHAT WE HEARD AND THEN REACT TO THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY WE GET TO THE END OF THE MEETING AT THE NEXT MEETING AND YOU'RE READY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
UH, I'LL LET SARAH GO OVER THE, THE TIMELINE.
'CAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE DATES WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE POINT OUT FOR YOU.
OUR FINAL MEETING FOR THE COMMITTEE IS PLANNED FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 8TH AT 6:00 PM AGAIN HERE AT ADDISON TOWN HALL.
UM, WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO IS TAKE THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IF MADE AT THAT LAST MEETING TO JANUARY 13TH TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO IT IS A QUICK TURNAROUND, UM, TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND PROVIDE THAT, UH, COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW OF THAT TIMEFRAME BECAUSE WE HOPE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO JOIN, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO FOR THAT, UH, MEETING AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN AS WE'VE GONE AND LAID THROUGH THE TIMELINE, UM, BY FEBRUARY 13TH, I BELIEVE IT IS WHEN COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO CALL ON ELECTION.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THAT QUICK TURNAROUND TO ALLOW FOR COUNCIL DISCUSS ON THE 13TH, POTENTIALLY ON THE 27TH AGAIN, IF THEY NEED TO, UM, TO ALLOW ENOUGH TIME BEFORE FEBRUARY 13TH.
[02:10:02]
GREAT.WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S THOUGHTFUL AND STRATEGIC THINKING AND QUESTION AND, UH, COMMENTS.
UH, I THINK, UH, IT'S REALLY MADE THIS PROCESS EASY FOR ME AND I, AND I'M, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ALL ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS TERRIFIC PROJECT.
I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO, UM, LIKE, UH, SARAH SAID, NEXT MEETING'S JANUARY THE EIGHTH.
AND, UM, I HOPE Y'ALL HAVE A NICE HOLIDAY.
AND DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? TARA, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, PLEASE.