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[1. Call Meeting to Order]
WILL NOT COME TO ORDER.[a. Consider action on the Minutes from the October 30, 2025 Bond Advisory Committee Meeting. ]
APPROVE THE, UH, MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING? AND A SECOND.I WANNA WELCOME EVERYBODY BACK, SCOTT AND
OPPOSED? OU? WHO DID THE MOTION IN SECOND? I THINK SCOTT OU WHO DID THE MOTION IN THE SECOND.
SO I HEARD A MOTION IN THE SECOND.
I THINK IT WAS FROM SCOTT AND TOM.
SO I WANNA WELCOME EVERYBODY BACK.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEW PLACES HERE.
I THINK WE WANT US HERE LAST TIME.
SO, UH, LET'S, UH, MOVE FORWARD.
[b. Present and discuss topics related to the purpose and charge of the Bond Advisory Committee, including but not limited to: Needs assessment for Police and Courts facility Review of options, including concepts, considerations, and preliminary cost estimates Next steps / timeline for the Committee]
TO ITEM TWO, WHICH IS DISCUSSING, UH, THE TOPICS THAT'LL BE PRESENTED BY THE, UM, STAFF AND DESIGNERS AND CONSULTANTS.UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY WOULD LIKE IF EVERYONE TO, TO DO TONIGHT IS TO PAY ATTENTION, UH, VERY CLOSE ATTENTION.
'CAUSE THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SESSION IN THAT ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS OF WHICH WE HAVE FIVE OPTIONS, UH, WILL BE PRESENTED.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INSTEAD OF HAVING QUESTIONS DURING THE PRESENTATIONS, LET'S LET THEM MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND COMPLETION ALL FIVE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
FIGURE ABOUT 30 MINUTES OR SO.
AND, UH, AND THE BEST, UH, OF ALL TIMES.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS IDEALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN MAYBE SELECT TWO OPTIONS, THE FIVE TONIGHT.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY FOCUS ON IN OUR MEETINGS IS TO HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF PROGRESS DURING THE MEETING AND THEN COME TO A, A STRONG CONCLUSION, CONCLUSION, THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO IF WE CAN IDEALLY GET DOWN TO TWO OPTIONS TONIGHT, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
SO OPEN IT UP TO OUR PRESENTERS.
THANK YOU AND THANKS EVERYONE FOR COMING THIS EVENING.
UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE WITH YOU TO, TO SHARE THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED WITH OUR CONSULTANTS.
UM, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE MEAT OF THE PRESENTATION, UM, WE DID WANNA TAKE JUST A QUICK MOMENT TO REVIEW THE COMMITTEE CHARGE JUST AS THE CHAIR, UH, WENT THROUGH AND SOME OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE WENT OVER AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UM, THE COMMITTEE'S CHARGE WAS TO ASSESS AND REVIEW INFORMATION AND OPTIONS RELATED TO OUR PD AND COURT'S FACILITY AND A CAPITAL PROJECT.
UM, COUNSEL HAD AN EVEN MORE SPECIFIC CHARGE TO LOOK AT THREE OPTIONS AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN.
AND AS WE WENT THROUGH LAST TIME, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PRESENT FIVE THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST THREE, A ONE, A TWO, AND A THREE ARE ALL RELATED TO THAT FIRST ONE THERE.
UH, WHAT COULD WE DO ON THE CURRENT PD AND COURTS FACILITY SITE? AND THEN AT OPTION B, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IS THAT SECOND, WHICH IS THE PURCHASE AND REMODEL A VACANT BUILDING.
AND OPTION C IS THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS WHAT IF WE WERE TO BUILD ON LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT OCCUPIED ON GREENFIELD.
UM, SO THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MAKING A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THAT CAPITAL PROJECT AND IN WHAT MONETARY AMOUNT AND IF WE SHOULD PROCEED OR WITH A BOND ELECTION, UH, FOR MAY OF 2026, UH, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WORK.
HERE WERE THE MEETINGS, UH, AND THE TOPICS THAT WE HAD LAID OUT.
UH, WE WENT THROUGH LAST TIME ON OCTOBER 30TH.
UM, JUST THE BOND COMMITTEE PROCESS OVERALL, AS WELL AS STEVEN, OUR CFO, REVIEWED SOME FINANCIAL INFORMATION WITH YOU ALL AND THEN CHIEF FRIES AND BILL HAWLEY SHARED WITH YOU SOME OF THE CURRENT CHALLENGES OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE TOOK A TOUR THEN OF THE BUILDING TO SEE THAT IN PERSON.
UM, SO TONIGHT, UH, AS MENTIONED, WE'LL GO THROUGH, UM, OUR CONS.
WE'LL INVITE OUR CONSULTANTS UP.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON OVER THE LAST YEAR TO DEVELOP A SPACE PROGRAM FOR A NEW FACILITY, AND THEN HOW THAT TRANSLATES INTO THE FIVE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED AND CONSIDERATIONS WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
UM, SO WE'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS TO FOLLOW.
UM, AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, IF IDEALLY THE OPTIONS CAN BE NARROWED, THAT
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WOULD HELP FOCUS THE DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHER FOR YOU FOR THE DECEMBER 4TH COMMITTEE MEETING, AND THEN LEADING UP TO JANUARY 8TH WHERE WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MEET THE TIMELINE FOR A POTENTIAL BOND ELECTION FOR MAY OF 2026.AS A REMINDER, CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO CALL THAT ELECTION BY FEBRUARY 13TH.
SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AND I'M GONNA INVITE UP JASON, UH, WHO IS WITH GFF DESIGN AND DON AS WELL.
UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THE FIRST PART OF OUR SPACE PROGRAM NEEDS THAT'S BEEN WORKED ON.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOND COMMITTEE.
WITH ME IS DON BERGER WITH SEVEN 20 DESIGN.
UH, AND LIKE SARAH SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, THE DEPARTMENT SINCE, UH, JANUARY, UH, STUDYING THE NEEDS, UM, UH, OF THEIR DEPARTMENT AND, UH, TACKLING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UH, OPTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT FOR BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, OKAY, I'M IN CONTROL.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO JUST GIVE YOU IS A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, SO FAR TO DATE.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN JANUARY, AND THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, OTHER PROJECTS IN THE METROPLEX THAT DON AND MYSELF HAVE WORKED ON OR OTHERS HAVE WORKED ON RECENTLY.
UH, AND WE WENT ON A SERIES OF TOURS.
UH, WE WENT THROUGH A FEW FACILITIES WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
THE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR OWN WENT THROUGH AT LEAST A DOZEN MORE.
UH, SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF 15 TOURS THAT TOOK PLACE.
AND REALLY WHAT THAT'S DOING IS HELPING EVERYBODY, UH, ON THE CONSULTANT SIDE AND THE DEPARTMENT AND STAFF'S TEAM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES ARE IN POLICE STATION DESIGN.
RIGHT NOW, JUST LIKE ANY PROFESSION, THINGS ARE EVOLVING, UH, AND CHANGING.
AND SO WE WANT TO BE AT THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, FRONT OF THE CUTTING EDGE SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DELIVERING A MODERN AND EFFICIENT, UH, BUILDING.
UM, THEN WHAT WE DID WAS WE SAT DOWN WITH EVERY DIVISION WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, UH, IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS.
AND THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF A PROCESS WE CALL PROGRAMMING.
UH, THE NEXT SLIDE KIND OF GIVES YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF, OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS AND THE SPACE NEEDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND THAT WAS REALLY A SERIES OF MEETINGS.
UM, UM, THAT WAS A, A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH EVERYBODY, UH, IN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT TAKES TIME AND WE'RE TAKING COPIOUS NOTES AND, UH, GOING BACK THROUGH AND REMEMBERING THINGS FROM THE TOURS THAT WE SAW AND INCORPORATING THAT INTO THE PROGRAM DOCUMENT.
UM, I WANNA ASK DON JUST BRIEFLY TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES A POLICE STATION UNIQUE FROM ANY OTHER TYPE OF BUILDING? AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK TO, UM, ANOTHER MEMBER OF OUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION TEAM, UH, LATER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COST, YOU'RE GONNA START TO SEE SOME NUMBERS THAT YOU MAY THINK, WOW, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THIS OTHER BUILDING THAT I'VE SEEN.
AND SO, UM, POLICE STATIONS ARE UNIQUE AND MAYBE DON CAN TALK ABOUT A FEW OF THOSE UNIQUE ASPECTS.
UM, SO THE FIRST TWO QUESTIONS THAT ALWAYS COME UP WHEN WE'RE AT THIS STAGE OF RE PROJECT OF WHY DO WE NEED THAT MUCH MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN WHAT WE'RE IN NOW, AND HOW IN THE WORLD CAN IT COST THAT MUCH? AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF NEW COMPLEXITIES IN POLICE PROJECTS.
AS JASON SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS EVOLVING, BUT, YOU KNOW, A GREAT POINT WOULD BE JUST TALKING ABOUT, SAY, EVIDENCE AND PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK BACK IN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING OR BACK IN THE DAY, I SHOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ONE ROOM AND YOU HAD YOUR DRUGS, YOUR WEAPONS, YOUR REGULAR GENERAL, AND PROPERTY AND STAFF WORKED IN THAT ROOM.
AND THAT HAS EVOLVED NOW TO WHERE THAT IS SIX DIFFERENT SETTINGS.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SEPARATE ROOM FOR DRUGS FOR THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF STAFF, OF WEAPONS AND OF MAIN PROPERTY.
THE THE BIG NEW GROWING, UH, YOU KNOW, NEED IS DIGITAL FORENSICS.
AND SO NOW THERE'S DIGITAL EVIDENCE OF LAPTOPS, PHONES, THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE SEES AS PART OF THEIR INVESTIGATION, AND THEN A PROFESSIONAL WORK AREA FOR THE STAFF TO WORK IN TO WHERE THEY ARE SAFE.
THE AIR IS, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY FILTERED.
AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WELLNESS OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU KNOW, IF I, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ASKS ME IN A RECENT PRESENTATION OF WHAT ARE THE TOP TWO OR THREE TOP PRIORITIES FOR ANY NEW PROJECT TO START ON? AND I ALWAYS SAY NUMBER ONE IS WELLNESS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, HORRIFIC STATISTICS OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR DEATHS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE AN AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT, IT COULD BE HEALTH, IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THEN THAT, THAT CHART GOES THROUGH THE ROOF FOR SUICIDES, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S JUST HOW IT IS WITH FIRE AND POLICE, AND IT'S A SAD, SAD STATE.
AND SO WE ALWAYS, JASON AND I ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE BUILDING, BE IT DAYLIGHT, BE IT COMMUNAL AREAS, BE IT RESPITE AREAS, AREAS TO
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DEESCALATE.AND SO WE'RE NOW INCORPORATING A LOT OF THAT INTO THE BUILDING, WHICH ALSO DRIVES SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IT'S THAT WELLNESS INITIATIVES THAT WE PUT IT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THAT FOREFRONT.
AND THEN TRAINING, YOU KNOW, I, THERE'S A, THERE'S A GREAT QUOTE, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHO, WHO AUTHORED IT, BUT I ALWAYS LIKE USING IT IN THAT WE DON'T RISE TO A LEVEL OF OUR EXPERIENCE.
WE FALL TO A LEVEL OF OUR TRAINING.
AND THAT EXISTING BUILDING THAT THEY'RE IN IS VERY DEFICIENT ON TRAINING.
AND TRAINING COULD MEAN PHYSICAL FITNESS, IT COULD MEAN TACTICAL TRAINING, IT'S WEAPONS TRAINING, IT'S ACADEMIC TRAINING.
AND SO WE ARE IN THIS NEW PROGRAM, BRINGING A LOT OF THOSE TO THE FOREFRONT TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THOSE DIFFERENT SETTINGS.
AND THEN ALSO IT'S OPERATIONS.
YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF HAS MADE, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF, AND, AND IT'S VERY COMMON FOR POLICE FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WANT THE MAJOR OPERATIONS TOGETHER AND ON ONE FLOOR, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, POLICE ADMINISTRATION, INVESTIGATIONS AND PATROL.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, THE EXISTING BUILDING AND SOME OTHER OPTIONS YOU'LL SEE TO WHERE THOSE ARE STILL STRATIFIED ON DIFFERENT FLOORS.
WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR STAFF TO COME IN.
WE, YOU KNOW, JASON AND I CALL 'EM FORCED COLLISIONS TO WHERE YOU CROSS PATHS WITH OTHER STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, SAD IN OLDER FACILITIES SOMETIMES STAFF WILL GO WEEKS OR MONTHS AND NEVER CROSS PATHS WITH OTHER PEOPLE THEY'RE WORKING WITH.
AND IT'S SO CRITICAL FOR SHARING THAT INTEL AND INFORMATION TO PROVIDE THOSE VARIOUS SETTINGS.
AND SO THOSE ARE USUALLY THE THREE THINGS WE'RE ALWAYS STRIVING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY ON PROJECTS, BUT THEN THINGS THAT DRIVE COSTS, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE EVIDENCE AND PROPERTY SETTINGS, THE PROPER EXHAUST FILTRATION LOCKER ROOMS TO GIVE 'EM A PROPER SIZE LOCKER, YOU KNOW, THE HARDENING, YOU KNOW, JUST ON A PROJECT, UH, MONDAY TO WHERE WE UNVEILED FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE NUMBER OF CAMERAS IN THE NEW FACILITY AND THEIR JAWS DROPPED.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN A FACILITY THIS SIZE, IT WON'T BE SURPRISING TO ME IF IT'S 150 CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, FOR STAFF PUBLIC SITE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE DEMARCATION OF THE SECURITY PRO PROTOCOLS IN A BUILDING, SAME WAY WITH CONTROLLED ACCESS FOR CARD READERS AND THEN ALSO THE BALLISTIC HARDENING.
AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS START BUILDING UP THOSE COSTS THAT, YOU KNOW, CRYSTAL HIT UPON WHEN PEOPLE HAD THAT JAW DROP.
AND OF, YOU KNOW, WELL, GOSH, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE ABLE, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO SAYS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR THREE, $400 A SQUARE FOOT.
AND WELL, IT'S ALMOST TWICE THAT REALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE METROPLEX AND IN THE COUNTRY FOR THE PAST, YOU KNOW, EIGHT, 10 YEARS.
AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN THE CAPTURE OF THIS NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
UM, AND SO ALL OF THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK MORE ABOUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN GET TO THAT, UH, ANY OF THE UNIQUE ASPECTS OF A POLICE STATION.
BUT ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE KIND OF BOTTOM LINE IS THAT'S ALL BAKED INTO THE PROGRAM, WHICH COMES TO ABOUT 45,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S WHAT WE FEEL IS THE OPERATIONAL NEED FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO OUR PROGRAM SUMMARY HERE, WHICH YOU HAVE IN THE SLIDE DECK, UM, KIND OF BREAKS IT OUT BY DIVISION AND THEN JUST KIND OF AREA WITHIN THE BUILDING.
WE'VE GOT OUR PUBLIC AREA, AND THEN WE'VE GOT ADMIN, CID, PATROL, PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE.
UH, THE COURT OFFICES ONLY, UM, UH, NOT THE COURTROOM.
WE HAVE RECORDS, UH, LITTLE BIT OF IT WORKSPACE, SHARED STAFF SPACES INCLUDES THINGS LIKE THE LOCKER ROOM, THE BREAK ROOM, THE FITNESS ROOM, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE BUILDING SUPPORT, WHICH ARE YOUR MECHANICAL SPACES, YOUR ELECTRICAL SPACES, IT ROOMS, AND THEN, UH, THE SUPPORT BUILDING, WHICH IS REALLY, I DON'T KNOW, DONNA, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO WHAT IS THE SUPPORT BUILDING? YOU'LL LEARN OF HANGING AROUND POLICE, UH, YOU KNOW, AGENCIES FOR A LONG TIME THAT THEY JUST HAVE A LOT OF STUFF.
AND IT COULD BE VEHICLES, IT COULD BE GEAR, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC UNIT, THE PATROL UNIT, YOU KNOW, THE SHIELDS, THE, THE TRAFFIC CONES, THE TRAFFIC SCALES, ALL THAT STUFF THAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOBS, EACH AND EVERY, UH, DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT IT IS MUCH MORE ECONOMICAL TO FORCE THAT OUT OF YOUR NICE MAIN PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING INTO SORT OF A DETACHED SUPPORT BUILDING.
IT CAN BE DONE A MUCH MORE ECONOMICAL ENVELOPE AND SETTING, BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY JUST PAINTED CONCRETE BLOCK WALLS AND CONCRETE SLAB FOR THE VARIOUS VEHICLE VEHICLES AND THINGS TO WHERE AN OFFICER CAN COME UP QUICKLY WITH A VEHICLE, EITHER LOAD UP THE GEAR THEY NEED, BE IT DRONES OR UNLOAD THE, THE ITEMS THEY HAVE.
IT COULD BE SOME PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE.
AND SO WE, AND IF YOU TOUR THE, THEY SAW THAT ON THEIR TOURS AROUND THE METROPLEX.
I MEAN, PROBABLY 90% OF THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE PAST, I'D SAY 20 YEARS IN THE METROPLEX, THERE'S A MAIN BUILDING AND THEN THERE'S A SUPPORT BUILDING.
IT MIGHT BE CONNECTED OR TOUCH, SOMETIMES IT'S PUSHED FURTHER AWAY AND IT'S JUST SEPARATE TO HOUSE ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT COMES JUST WITH POLICE AGENCIES.
SO, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF START THE CONVERSATION AS WE'RE BUILDING
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A PROGRAM WITH THE CHRISTMAS MORNING MENTALITY.IF YOU COULD HAVE ANYTHING, WHAT WOULD IT BE? UH, GIVE US EVERYTHING, BECAUSE A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS HAVE A HARD TIME ENVISIONING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY'RE LIVING IN RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UNFETTERED CONVERSATION.
TELL US WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE AND THEN, UM, REALLY WE WORK DILIGENTLY TO SQUEEZE THAT DOWN AND, AND QUESTION EVERYTHING, RIGHT? DO WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO HAVE THAT? IS THAT THE RIGHT SIZE? AND SO IF YOU'RE WONDERING, IS THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CHRISTMAS MORNING OR, UM, IS THIS THE ABSOLUTE COMPRESSED, THIS IS REALLY KIND OF THE GOLDILOCKS MIDDLE BOWL OF PORRIDGE, THE JUST, RIGHT.
UH, WE STARTED AT THE CHRISTMAS MORNING AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS OVER SEVERAL MONTHS WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT SACRIFICING OPERATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE THIS NUMBER REPRESENTS.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, THE FIVE OPTIONS LIKE SARAH SAID, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT QUICKLY AND TRY TO, UH, GET TO CONVERSATIONS AFTERWARDS.
SO, UM, WE'LL UN WE'LL, WE'LL UNVEIL THESE AND, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY AND THEN CERTAINLY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR CONVERSATION.
SO A ONE, UH, THE FIRST CHARGE THAT WE WERE GIVEN WAS TO, UH, LOOK AT THE EXISTING BUILDING AND JUST DO WHAT YOU CAN WITH THAT EXISTING SHELL.
UM, SO THIS IS A HEAVY RENOVATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, 25 TO 27,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF PARKING, UM, UH, IN TERMS OF PUBLIC INSECURE PARKING.
AND SO WE'RE LISTING, UM, UNDER DEFICITS AND SURPLUS, HOW THIS MEETS THE PROGRAM NEED OF PARKING.
AND THEN AGAIN, IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE UNDER DEFICITS IN SURPLUS, HOW THIS MEASURES UP, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAM NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, UH, A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES WITH THIS OPTION.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, AND THAT'S REALLY FOR ALL OPTIONS ON THE CURRENT SITE, AND IT'S PROBABLY OBVIOUS, BUT WE HAVE TO DISPLACE THE DEPARTMENT TO DO THIS WORK.
CONTRACTORS GONNA NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE ENTIRE SITE, UM, AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO, UM, BE PRETTY INVASIVE TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
WE FEEL LIKE THIS LEVEL OF RENOVATION IS GOING TO CAUSE US TO HAVE TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO CURRENT ENERGY CODE, UH, WHICH IS GONNA ENTAIL SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE OF THE EXTERIOR FACADES, THE ROOF.
IT'S GONNA BE A NEW ROOF FOR THE WHOLE THING.
UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING CARE OF ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES IN INTEGRATING A ELEVATOR WHICH DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH WILL ENTAIL SOME FOUNDATION WORK.
SO VERY, VERY HEAVY INTERVENTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRING RANGE IS MAINTAINED AT 25 YARDS.
UM, AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WHEN WE DO THIS, THERE COULD BE SOME ABATEMENT.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT WE MAY FIND AS WE, AS WE TURN INTO THOSE WALLS, AND THAT CAN ADD TO SCHEDULE AND COST AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WE'RE LIMITED WITH THE EXISTING FLOOR HEIGHTS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE BLOWING OUT ROOFS AND EXTENDING THINGS TALLER, UH, IN THIS OPTION.
AND SO THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE VOLUME.
AND AS YOU SAW HEARD ON THE TOUR, UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY USING KIND OF OFFSITE STORAGE FOR SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT ON SQUARE, SQUARE FEET COMPARED TO THE PROGRAM, WE BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO NEED TO RENT SPACE FOR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE.
UM, OF COURSE, IT MEANS WE GET TO STAY WHERE WE ARE, WHICH IS BENEFICIAL, POSSIBLY TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S A FAMILIAR SITE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO REORIENT FOLKS TO THAT.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS A LIMITED, YOU KNOW, INTERVENTION, IT'S, IT'S GONNA END UP BEING THE LOWEST COST OPTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA SPEAK TO ON THIS ONE, DON, HOW WE'RE TRYING TO CONFIGURE THIS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, POLICE ARE GONNA ENDURE AN INCREDIBLE INCONVENIENCE BEING MOVED OFF SITE, AND THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME BUILDING.
I MEAN, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE NEW, IT'LL BE IMPROVED, IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, HARDENED TO SOME DEGREE.
SOME OF OUR BIGGER CHALLENGES ARE, YOU KNOW, INTEGRATING A 250 MILE AN HOUR RATED STORM SHELTER IN HERE, THAT'S REQUIRED NOW BY CODE.
AND THEN ALSO ALL POLICE FACILITIES, BY THE NATURE OF, OF BEING CONSIDERED A CRITICAL ASSET, HAVE TO BE DESIGNED TO 1.2 FACTOR OVER ANY OTHER REGULAR BUILDING.
AND SO THAT STARTS CREATING ALL THE CHALLENGES HERE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY INVESTED IS STILL COMING BACK TO THE, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S THE, THE SHORTAGE STILL OF PARKING, BUT MORE SO OF STILL BEING 21,000 SQUARE FEET SHORT OF WHAT THEY NEED.
AND SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE CLOSETS THEY'RE IN RIGHT NOW FOR SOME OFFICES, BUT THERE'S STILL GONNA BE SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE REALLY CRAMPED.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN MOVE SOME OF THE PIECES AROUND TO CREATE SOME BENEFITS, SOME BETTER EFFICIENCIES, SOME BENEFIT, MAYBE SOME OPERATIONS.
BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE A CHALLENGE.
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AND THE CHIEF STILL IS NOT GONNA REALLY HAVE THAT GOAL OF THE CRITICAL OPERATIONS ALL TOGETHER AND, AND CREATE THAT SYNERGY OF BEING TOGETHER, SHARING INTEL, SHARING INFORMATION, UH, OF PATROL INVESTIGATIONS AND POLICE ADMINISTRATION.SO, UH, YOU, YOU'VE SEEN FIRST FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR WITH THIS OPTION.
SO WHAT IF WE KEPT PART OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, BECAUSE IT IS THERE, UH, BUT TRIED TO MEET ALL THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PARKING NEEDS.
THIS IS KIND OF OUR BEST ATTEMPT AT THAT.
UM, SO STARTING WITH THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, IT, IT, IT'S CHALLENGING.
IT REALLY DOESN'T FIT ANYWHERE EXCEPT THE, UM, WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE, UM, KIND OF NOTCHING A CORNER UP, UP IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, UH, TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AND THE CIRCULATION, UM, IS LIMITED SO THAT WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY GETTING ONE, UH, TRAY OF PARKING AND THEN A RAMP, UM, WITH A TRAY OF PARKING ON IT.
WE, WE CAN'T GET ANOTHER TRAY OF PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT RAMP, WHICH YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN A PARKING GARAGE.
UM, AND, UH, IT IS A THREE STORY PARKING GARAGE.
AND SO THE MASSING IS GONNA BE A LITTLE, UH, WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE MORE INVESTIGATION BEYOND THIS, BUT AESTHETICALLY, I'M NOT SURE HOW, HOW WE WOULD MATCH IT UP WITH THE CURRENT ARCHITECTURE.
UM, ON THE EAST SIDE, WE ARE ADDING ON, UM, ABOUT A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY ADDITION, UH, THAT WILL, UM, TRY TO HELP RESOLVE SOME OF THE, THE DEFICIENCIES OF THE PREVIOUS SCHEME.
SO WE'RE COMING UP TO OUR FULL 45,000 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY, AND, AND GETTING EVERYBODY IN THERE BECAUSE OF HOW, UM, TIGHT THIS IS ON THE SITE, THE PHASING FOR THE CONTRACTOR IS GONNA BE VERY TRICKY.
UM, VERY LITTLE LAY DOWN AREA, NOT ABLE TO KIND OF DO EVERYTHING AT ONCE.
GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF DO THE BUILDING AND THEN DO THE GARAGE OR VICE VERSA, MAYBE WORK ON THE GARAGE FIRST, AND THEN THE BUILDING.
UM, AND SO AS A RESULT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THIS BECOME THE MOST EXPENSIVE OPTION.
UM, VERY, VERY CHALLENGING, STILL PRESERVING SOME OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING, BUT, UM, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT.
UM, AND THIS ONE DOES NOT, ALSO, DOES NOT INCLUDE A COURTROOM.
WE KIND OF HAVE THE DOES INCLUDE, DOESN'T INCLUDE, UM, YEAH, WE'RE JUST TIGHT ON THE SITE.
UH, OKAY, LET ME, LEMME GET TO A THREE.
SO THIS IS SORT OF THE, OKAY, WHAT IF WE, WHAT IF WE DID WANT TO STAY WHERE WE, WE ARE? UM, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO WITH A BLANK SLATE? AND SO I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR A, UM, ABOUT A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY BUILDING FRONTING ON ADDISON ROAD AND A DECENT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC PARKING RIGHT THERE, UH, ON ADDISON ROAD.
IT THEN POSITIONS ALL OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE AS SORT OF THE SECURE PARKING.
UM, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET ALL THE PARKING DEMAND, UM, BUT WE'RE AVOIDING A GARAGE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF WEIGHING THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE IN, IF WE DID LIKE A ONE STORY GARAGE? YES.
BUT THEN YOU GET SOME COST IMPACT, COULD BE A DISCUSSION POINT.
WE ARE SQUEEZING IN THE KIND OF SUPPORT BUILDING BAR, WHICH YOU'RE SEEING, UH, WHICH IS THAT NARROW WHITE VOLUME, UH, MATCHING UP WITH THE RANGE AND THEN LIKE ALL THE OTHER A OPTIONS WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT 25 YARD SHOOTING RANGE.
UM, NOW ONE THING THIS ONE DOES DO, IF I TAKE YOU TO THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR, THE SECOND FLOOR, THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST OPTION THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT GETS ALL THE PEOPLE GROUPS, PATROL, CID, AND ADMIN ON ONE FLOOR, WHICH IS THE CHIEF'S VISION, LIKE DON SAID, RIGHT? GETTING THOSE FORCE COLLISIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A DETECTIVE AND A PATROL OFFICER MEETING, EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION.
NOW YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING THE WORK WE NEED THEM TO DO.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
ANYTHING YOU WANNA NOTE ON THIS ONE, DON? I MEAN, IT'S GREAT ON THIS ONE THAT WE DO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WE DO START GETTING SOME OPERATIONAL, YOU KNOW, GOALS THAT WE WANT.
BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS REALLY THAT SECURE PARKING.
I MEAN, AS WE HAVE FOUND ON OTHER AGENCIES, PARKING NEEDS JUST SEEM TO KEEP INCREASING.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE THAT STAFF IS INCREASING SO MUCH, BUT THERE'S OTHER VEHICLES SPECIAL USE VEHICLES, A YOU KNOW, A TRAILER FOR ROAD HAZARDS, A VEHICLE FOR THIS, A MOBILE COMMAND VEHICLE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ALWAYS NEED MORE PARKING.
AND ON DAY ONE TO START ON THAT SITE OF SAYING WE'RE ALREADY 38 BELOW WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS OF TODAY, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE.
AND WE'RE ALSO BACK TO POLICE ARE HAVING TO MOVE COMPLETELY OFFSITE TEMPORARILY.
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OKAY, I KNOW WE'RE DRINKING FROM A FIRE HOSE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING.UH, PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
SO THIS IS THE QUESTION CAME TO US, HEY, WHAT IF WE FOUND AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE NEEDS? COULD WE SQUEEZE, UM, THE DEPARTMENT IN THERE? AND SO WE LOOKED AT THIS AND THIS PARTICULAR SITE ACTUALLY IS A, IS A DECENT, UH, FIT.
UM, WE'VE GOT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, KIND OF A THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS A TWO STORY EXISTING PARKING GARAGE, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BRIDGE CONNECTOR, UM, AND PRETTY GENEROUS, UH, WHAT I WOULD CALL PUBLIC PARKING ALONG THE SOUTH HERE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE UNDER THE DEFICITS AND SURPLUSES WE'RE ALL GREEN.
UH, WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING, WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL SECURE PARKING, AND WE HAVE EVEN A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, WHICH, WHICH THEN SHOWS UP UNDER THE, DOES INCLUDE THE COURTROOM.
SO THIS ONE WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE THE COURTROOM IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE MUNICIPAL COURT HERE.
UM, THIS ONE IS GONNA BE CHALLENGING IN TERMS OF, OKAY, IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING.
LET'S TALK ABOUT FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS.
UM, WE'RE IN A SPACE THAT COULD BE A MUNICIPAL COURTROOM.
IF YOU LOOK AT HOW TALL THE CEILINGS ARE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SQUEEZE THAT INTO AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING, YOU MAY END UP HAVING TO CUT HOLES IN THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, TO GET A VOLUME LIKE THAT FOR A BIG SPACE, WE DON'T KNOW.
SO YOU MAY HAVE SOME OF THOSE INTERVENTIONS, BUT YOU HAVE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU NEED TO MAKE UP FOR THAT.
WE'RE SQUEEZING IN A SMALL 2000 SQUARE FOOT SUPPORT BUILDING.
THAT'S THE LITTLE, THIS POINTER WORK.
AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE NEEDS FOR, UM, UH, A VEHICLE EVIDENCE BAY.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER SUPPORT BUILDING LIKE LARGE PROPERTY STORAGE, AGAIN, IS NOT GONNA WANNA HAVE LIKE AN EIGHT OR NINE FOOT CEILING.
IT'S GONNA WANNA BE A TALLER VOLUME.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A SMALL STRUCTURE FOR A SUPPORT BUILDING OUT THERE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REBRAND, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE THE BUILDING A NEW LOOK, MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, IT'S NO LONGER OFFICE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SIGNAGE COMPONENTS, BUT WE THINK THAT CAN ALL BE DONE.
SO YOU'RE SEEING HERE THE LARGER, THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, KIND OF THE LARGER COURTS AREA, BECAUSE WE'RE INCLUDING THAT COURTROOM POTENTIALLY, UM, PUBLIC NEEDS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING PATROL AND SHARED STAFF IMMEDIATELY OFF THE BRIDGE ENTRY, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN KIND OF QUICKLY MOVE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, UH, PATROL VEHICLES AND THEN UP ON THE TOP FLOOR, UH, CID AND ADMIN.
AND YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE FUTURE EXPANSION SPACE PLACEHOLDER THERE.
SO, UM, THIS SITE IS VERY NEARBY.
UM, AND SO THIS WAS SORT OF A, WE, WE ENVISION IT SORT OF SOMEWHAT LIKE A GREENFIELD SITE, THAT THE SHAPE OF IT IS GREAT, THAT THE, A SITE SHAPE IS A LITTLE, UM, FUNKY AND CAUSED US TO HAVE TO KIND OF BEND THE GARAGE AND THINGS AROUND.
THIS IS RECTANGULAR, IT'S THREE AND A HALF ACRES AND IT FRONTS KIND OF A, A, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC USE BUILDING.
WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE PARKING LOT HERE, RIGHT? AND SO WE LIKE THE WAY THE BUILDING HERE WOULD END UP FACING SOUTH WITH, WITH ITS PUBLIC FACADE, KIND OF CONNECTING TO SOME OF THE OTHER TOWN, UH, BUILDINGS.
AND OF COURSE THE PARK JUST A BLOCK AWAY.
UM, SO WE'RE MEETING, UM, WE'RE MEETING OUR PUBLIC PARKING REQUIREMENT, WE'RE EXCEEDING IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE THE BUILDING, WHICH IS RIGHT ON OUR 39,000 BEHIND IT, YOU CAN SEE THE SUPPORT BUILDING HERE.
AND THEN WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT ON THIS SITE, IS THERE A WAY TO FIT, UM, A 50 YARD RANGE? AND I DON'T KNOW, DON, DO YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT RANGE YARDAGES AND WHAT'S, HEY, UH, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I JUST MAY MAYBE TO ORIENT EVERYONE, MAY, YOU MIGHT ALL KNOW WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT'S ADDISON ROAD, UM, RIGHT THERE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH MORRIS IS RIGHT THERE TO THE SOUTH.
WE OBVIOUSLY ARE RIGHT HERE IN THE CON IN THE NEW TOWN HALL.
SO, AND AGAIN, YOU MAY ALL KNOW THIS, BUT JUST TO, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
THE TOWN ALREADY OWNS SOME OF THAT PROPERTY, WHICH YOU CAN PROBABLY HIGHLIGHT ROUGHLY.
IT WOULD TAKE SOME AC LAND ACQUISITION, BUT IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN ON ADDISON ROAD, WHEN YOU'VE SEEN THAT GRAVEL PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE, THAT GRAVEL LOT, THE TOWN DOES OWN THAT PROPERTY.
SO, UM, JUST TO ORIENT YOU AS YOU JUMPED INTO THE YEP, THE MODEL, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING, AND REALLY THE BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT YOU SEE NOW SPRINGING UP IN THE, IN THE METROPLEX ARE NUMEROUS
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GUN RANGES, BUT THEY'RE ALL 50 YARDS, YOU KNOW, 25 YARDS THAT THE CURRENT IS YES, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE GOALS FOR TRAINING AND THEN THE BENEFIT OF JUST BEING RIGHT THERE ON SITE INCREASES THE USAGE OF THAT BY OFFICERS.BUT THE, THE HUGE BENEFIT OF THE 50 YARD RANGE, JASON AND I JUST, UH, LAST WEEK WE HAD THE, UH, RIBBON CUTTING AND GRAND OPENING FOR THE ROANOKE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS A SEPARATE RANGE AS PART OF THEIR SUPPORT BUILDING, BUT IN THE 50 YARD RANGE, YOU CAN BRING A VEHICLE IN THERE.
AND THAT HAS PROVED TO BE AN INCREDIBLE, VALUABLE ASSET IN PART OF YOUR TRAINING TO PULL EITHER THE SHELL OF A VEHICLE LIKE DENTON DOES THAT, WE COMPLETED THAT A FEW YEARS AGO FOR THEIR RANGE, OR EVEN JUST A REGULAR VEHICLE IN THAT YOU THEN TAKE THE RANGE TOTALLY DARK, YOU HAVE THE LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, ON, ON, ON THE CAR.
AND THEN THAT IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST OFTEN A PATROL OFFICER MAY FIND THEMSELVES AT TWO OR THREE IN THE MORNING OF HAVING TO MAKE THAT SPLIT SECOND DECISION OR HAVING THEIR BRAIN OF THIS IS, THIS IS THE PROTOCOLS BECAUSE I HAVE PRACTICE AT IT ON THE RANGE AND A 25 AIR RANGE JUST BECOMES A CHALLENGE OF GETTING A VEHICLE IN THERE AND STILL HAVING ENOUGH ROOM FOR OFFICERS TO CONDUCT REALLY THE TYPE OF OPS AND TRAINING THAT I'M SEEING BEING DONE IN NUMEROUS RANGES AROUND THE METROPLEX WHEN YOU CAN INTRODUCE THAT VEHICLE INTO THE SETTING.
AND ALSO IT JUST ALSO, AND YOU KNOW, TO WHERE YOU CAN START GETTING IN ALSO SOME LOWER END OF LONG ARMS TRAINING, YOU KNOW, RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE A HUNDRED YARD RANGE THAT A FEW AGENCIES HAVE, BUT 50 PROVIDES THAT PERFECT STRADDLE BETWEEN THE TWO AND, YOU KNOW, IF A LONG ARMS AS WELL AS HANDGUNS ON THAT LENGTH.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE REPRESENTING IT HERE WITH THE DASH LINE OF, OF THE POSSIBILITY OF, OR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE BONUS ON THIS SITE OF SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD OF POSSIBLY ADDING THAT RANGE.
SO, UH, THIS ONE JUST TO, TO FINISH UP HERE, DOES NOT INCLUDE A COURTROOM.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD EXIST POSSIBLY IN THIS ROOM.
UH, AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE VERY CLOSE, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A CAMPUS FEEL, UH, JUST LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN REAL QUICK.
UM, SO THIS HERE IS FACING SOUTH, UH, WE'VE GOT OUR PUBLIC ENTRY, WE'VE GOT PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, UH, COURT OFFICES, UH, THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, WHICH IS A GREAT TRAINING SETTING, UH, RIGHT OFF THE PUBLIC LOBBY.
AND THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF THE STAFF AMENITIES, FITNESS ROOM, LOCKER ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR BY THE MAIN STAFF ENTRANCE.
UH, SECOND FLOOR, WE'VE GOT PATROL, UH, ADMINISTRATION AND CID ALONG WITH KIND OF THAT BREAK ROOM AREA, UH, UPSTAIRS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO, UM, AM I INTRODUCING MR. CHRIS QUADRA AT THIS TIME? OKAY, SO CHRIS IS OUR, UH, PROJECT CONTROLS CONSULTANT IS GONNA SPEAK TO THE LAST TWO SLIDES HERE.
UM, SO THOSE WERE SOME VERY CONCEPTUAL, UM, IMAGES OF FUTURE BUILDING OPTIONS.
AND THE QUESTION I ALWAYS GET IS, UM, THE SAME QUESTION THAT, UH, SAT DON'S SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY COST THAT MUCH? UH, AND HOW DID YOU GET THOSE NUMBERS IS USUALLY MY SECOND QUESTION.
LIKE, FROM THOSE PICTURES, HOW DID YOU GENERATE THE NUMBERS? SO WE START WITH WHO ARE WE AND WHAT DO WE DO? WE ARE, UM, FORTUNATE TO HAVE WORKED WITH, UM, DON ON THREE DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTER, UM, PROJECTS TOGETHER, AND OUR FIRM, MY COLLEAGUE SCOTT BROWN AND, AND JOSH DAVIS, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY MANAGING ABOUT $700 MILLION WORTH OF WORK IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA RIGHT NOW THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO SCOTT AND I SPENT YESTERDAY IN A MEETING WITH A GENERAL CONTRACTOR GOING THROUGH THE BIDS THAT THEY RECEIVED AGAINST THEIR ESTIMATE.
AND WE WENT THROUGH EVERY CATEGORY.
I THINK WE WENT THROUGH WHAT'S GOT LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND THAT WAS, THERE'S 30 DIFFERENT BID PACKAGES AND WE'VE SPENT THE LAST MONTH GOING THROUGH ACTUAL NUMBERS COMING IN OFF THE STREET AGAINST ESTIMATES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR FOR A YEAR.
SO THE, UH, THE DATA WE HAVE IS PRETTY GOOD AND I'M A, UM, I'M A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL ESTIMATOR AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING FOR 40 YEARS.
UM, BUT THEN I LIKE SUDOKU PUZZLES TOO.
SO, UM, WE TAKE THE INFORMATION ON THE UPPER LEFT SLIDE HERE, AS YOU'VE
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SEEN IT HAS SOME DATA THAT DIRECTS US TO THE SCOPE OF THE WORK.AND WE'VE TURNED IN AN ESTIMATE THREE DIFFERENT TIMES TO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH A VERY DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK AND EDITED IT AND SAID, NO, WE DON'T NEED THIS, BUT, UH, YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS BALLISTIC GLAZING THAT YOU'RE MISSING IN THE LOBBY.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, HAD A CIVIL ENGINEER GO INTO THE, UM, THE TOWNS, UM, SUBSURFACE UTILITIES, UM, INFORMATION AND EXTRACT THIS MIDDLE SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS WHERE EVERYTHING, UH, UNDERGROUND IS AND TRY TO IDENTIFY SURPRISES BEFORE THEY HAPPEN.
UM, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A WATERLINE, YOU GOTTA PUT ONE IN THE ESTIMATE, RIGHT? AND THEN WE WENT OVER AND QUANTIFIED THINGS AND DID IT IN A VERY DETAILED WAY, UM, BECAUSE AS AN ESTIMATOR WE KNOW WHAT THE FOUNDATIONS ARE PROBABLY GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH CONCRETE'S GONNA BE IN THERE AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH STEEL'S GONNA BE IN THERE.
AND THEN WE USE THAT FRESH MARKETPLACE DATA TO PRICE IT.
AND THEN IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUDGETING EXERCISE THAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH, UM, AND YOU WORK WITH PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT THE RIGHT OPTIONS.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE, UM, UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS.
AND THEY ARE, UM, TWO EXAMPLES THAT WERE, UM, FROM RECENT PROJECTS.
THE ONE IS A PRE-CONSTRUCTION RISK.
IT'S THE AUTHORITIES HAVING JURISDICTION TELLING US THAT THEY WOULD LET US USE A CERTAIN MATERIAL.
AND THEN WHEN IT CAME TIME TO GET THE BUILDING PERMIT SAYING, NO, YOU HAVE TO USE THIS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE MATERIAL.
THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, UM, SCOTT AND JOSH AND I ARE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, UH, $1.4 MILLION INCREASE BASED ON, UM, A DECISION BY A BUILDING OFFICIAL AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE BEFORE WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S THE PRECONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY PIECE.
AND THEN, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY PIECE IS WEATHER AND UNDERGROUND STUFF.
UM, A PROJECT THAT WE WERE WORKING ON IN SOUTHLAKE, UM, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WE RAN INTO SOME SUBSURFACE WATER AND ONE WE WERE WORKING ON IN LEWISVILLE, WE RAN INTO SOME SUBSURFACE ROCK.
BOTH OF THEM COST ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILLION EXTRA DOLLARS.
SO THE GOAL HERE, I AM CONSERVATIVE, VERY EXPERIENCED, AND KNOW HOW TO PROJECT THE RISK OF RENOVATING EXISTING BUILDINGS IS MUCH MORE RISKY THAN BUILDING NEW, RIGHT? AND WE'VE GOT A FEW RENOVATION OPTIONS AND A FEW NEW OPTIONS.
AND SO WE PRICED IN THAT RISK.
AND, UM, ESCALATION IS THE OTHER FACTOR.
UH, IN 2022, UM, WE SAW 21.8% ESCALATION IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
FOR A LOT OF FACTORS, IT AVERAGES MUCH LOWER THAN THAT.
AND MY FRIENDS HERE HAVE BEEN VERY FOCAL ABOUT POINTING OUT THAT ON AVERAGE ESCALATION RUNS ABOUT FOUR, THREE, 4% A YEAR.
MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS THAT IF YOU PUT AN ACCOUNTANT'S FOOT INTO A FIRE AND THE OTHER FOOT INTO A BUCKET OF ICE WATER AND YOU ASK HIM HOW HE'S DOING, HE WILL SAY, ON AVERAGE, I'M DOING PRETTY WELL.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO, WE ONLY GET ONE BITE AT THIS APPLE, IS TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY, RIGHT? SO ONE OF OUR STRATEGIES IS TO USE, UM, SCOPE AS THE CONTINGENCY.
SO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WELL VERSED IN THE BUSINESS WORLD, YES I AM CARRYING A BOATLOAD OF ESCALATION.
UM, IT'S USED TO BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
AND NOW BASED ON THE KEEL ON THE SAILBOAT DRAGGING US DOWN A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE AT A MODERATE RISK.
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ANSWER TO THAT IS IF WE, I HOPE I'M WRONG, I HOPE THAT ESCALATION DOES NOT HIT US VERY HARD, BUT IT EASILY COULD.UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE 400 BILLION WITH A B DOLLARS WORTH OF DATA, UM, MANUFACTURING AND CHIP MANUFACTURING DATA CENTERS AND CHIP MANUFACTURING PLANTS COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WE'VE ALL READ ABOUT IT AND THERE'S A CONSTRICTING SUPPLY OF LABOR, SO IT COULD HAPPEN.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST MOVE ON.
AS PEOPLE TELL ME FREQUENTLY, I ENJOY TALKING ABOUT THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE TOO MUCH.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE THE GCS CONTRACT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL BEHIND THAT AND IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH ME OR UH, UH, WITH SCOTT, JOSH AND, AND ME TO GO THROUGH HOW WE BUILT THESE NUMBERS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, EMAIL TO THE CHAIR AND ASK FOR A MEETING, WHICH WE'D BE HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER AND GO THROUGH EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THOSE NUMBERS AND HOW WE GOT THERE.
THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE TONIGHT.
YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO TRUST THE TEAM THAT THEY'VE BEEN VETTED, UH, BY EXPERTS.
AND THEN LAND ACQUISITION, YOU'LL NOTICE THE SAME PRICE ON ALL THE EXISTING OPTIONS FOR LAND ACQUISITION.
THE 10,000,005 IS, UM, BASED ON SOME RESEARCH.
AND THE 2.9 IS ALSO BASED ON SOME RESEARCH.
UM, THE DESIGN FEES AND FURNITURE AND OTHER SOFT COSTS, UM, ARE DRIVEN VERY MUCH BY THE BUILDING SIZE ITSELF AND HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO BUY.
AND THEN PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY ARE ALSO PERCENTAGES OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST AND I'VE EXPLAINED THOSE AND THEN ESCALATION, UM, I'VE BEEN WARNED NOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN AFTER THAT FIRST SLIDE.
SO, UH, THAT'S THE, UH, WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE PROJECT BUDGET TODAY FOR DECISION MAKING PURPOSES AND KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCES THAT WE CAN IRON OUT.
IF YOU WILL BE KIND ENOUGH TO PICK TWO OPTIONS AND GIVE US SOME MORE TIME TO DIVE INTO MORE DETAIL, WE CAN HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THOSE.
I THINK, UM, THAT'S THE END OF THE COST PIECE.
SO I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MY FRIEND SARAH TO LEAD US TO THE NEXT STEP.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THING WHEN WE SWITCHED PRESENTERS.
UM, SO, UM, JASON AND DON ARE THE ARCHITECTS WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US OVER THE LAST YEAR ON DEVELOPING THE SPACE PROGRAM AND DEVELOPING THE SITE OPTIONS.
UM, WE ACTUALLY RECENTLY HIRED CHRIS WITH PEAK PROGRAM VALUE.
THEIR FIRM IS SEPARATE FROM GFF DESIGN.
SO WHILE THEY WORK TOGETHER OFTEN ON PROJECTS, UM, HE IS AN INDEPENDENT COST ESTIMATOR.
SO THE ARCHITECTS WILL GIVE US SOME INDICATION OF COST.
WHAT WE HIRED CHRIS TO DO IS TO REALLY DIVE FURTHER INTO THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WITH HIS EXPERTISE, UM, TO BUILD A COM COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT BUDGET ESTIMATE.
UM, SO WHAT HE'S EVEN SHOWING IN THOSE NUMBERS, AND THIS IS IN THE CONSTRUCTION COST, IS IF WE HAVE TO MOVE PD TEMPORARILY OFFSITE, UH, THEY'VE INCLUDED THOSE COSTS ALREADY.
SO THIS IS THE ALL INCLUSIVE PROJECT BUDGET, UM, AND BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE CO CONSTRUCTION COSTS LINE ITEM 0.8, UH, TEMPORARY.
SO, SO I JUST WANTED TO, SORRY, THEY HAVE TO CAPTURE THAT MIKE.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE THOSE COSTS BUILT IN AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH AND LOOKING CLOSER AT, UM, THE TRENDS, THE PROJECTIONS, THE LABOR MARKET, THE MATERIALS, ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THEIR FIRM AND EXPERIENCE WAS FOR.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO GIVE YOU THE BEST POSSIBLE COST ESTIMATES FOR THESE OPTIONS.
UM, THEY STILL ARE PRELIMINARY.
THE MORE THAT WE CAN FOCUS AND NARROW DOWN THE OPTIONS, THE MORE CONFIDENT, UH, WE CAN BECOME IN A FINAL PROJECT BUDGET.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
AND DAVID, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO, SO LET'S OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.
I THINK AHEAD, RAISE YOUR HANDS AND WE CAN MAINTAIN A LITTLE BIT OF ORDER.
AND ALSO IF I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GO AROUND THE TABLE FIRST AND LET EVERYBODY ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO ASKING YOUR SECOND QUESTION, BUT EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A VOICE.
FIRST QUESTION IS, IS THERE AN OPTION TO
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PUT THE SHOOTING RANGE AND THE DIFFERENT SITE AND CHANGE THIS, THIS WHOLE DYNAMICS OF A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS? SO DOES THE SHOOTING RANGE HAVE TO BE PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? IT DOES NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY THAT WHATEVER OBSTACLE A PATROL OFFICER OR A POLICE OFFICER MAY ENCOUNTER, IT'S GONNA DECREASE THE POSSIBILITY OF THEM GOING OUT AND SHOOTING AT TWO IN THE MORNING OR THREE IN THE MORNING, OR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUND IF YOU HAVE TO TRY TO SCHEDULE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE OR PHYSICALLY GET IN A VEHICLE DRIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT PARTICIPATION JUST FINDS A WAY TO REDUCE BY 10, 15, 16% VERSUS WHEN IT'S REALLY IN, IN YOUR, AS PART OF YOUR BUILDING CONNECT TO YOUR BUILDING.YOU JUST LITERALLY, YOU HAVE A BREAK AND, AND WORK THAT DAY.
YOU JUST GO OUT AND IMMEDIATELY ARE USING THE RANGE.
BUT I'LL LET THE CHIEF
UH, ANOTHER THING IS JUST ALSO SECURITY.
UH, WITH OUR RANGE, WE HAVE OUR AMMO, WEAPONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S OFFSITE, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL AND SECURITY CONCERNS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BEING MANNED 24 HOURS A DAY.
SO IDEALLY WE KEEP THE RANGE WITH THE BUILDING WITH ALL OF OUR PERSONNEL.
GUESS WE'RE GOING ROUND ROBIN ONE H.
SO, UH, JUST A QUESTION ON, UH, UM, B AND C.
SO, SO YOU'RE PRETTY SURE THE TENANTS WILL, YOU HAVE TENANTS THAT, THAT BUILDING, I ASSUME ON, UH, OPTION B RENOVATION EXISTING OFFICE? UM, YEAH, SO I'LL SPEAK TO THAT.
SO OPTION B WHILE WE DID THE SITE YOU'VE SEEN IS THE OUTLINE OF A SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY FOR SALE ON OPTION B.
WE DON'T WANT TO TALK, WE DON'T WANNA TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT A SPECIFIC SITE.
IT WAS VERY GOOD FOR AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE BY THE TIME A BOND ELECTION PASSES, IF WE WENT WITH THAT OPTION, WE WOULD SEE WHAT'S ON THE MARKET AT THAT TIME.
IT COULD BE THAT BUILDING RIGHT AT THAT TIME, BUT IN, IN THE MEANTIME IT COULD NOT BE ON THE MARKET.
SO THAT BUILDING THAT WE SHOW THAT WE REFLECTED IS FOR SALE AT THIS MOMENT.
THERE'S NO PREDICTING WHETHER IT WOULD BE FOR SALE AFTER A BOND ELECTION.
AND THEN OPTION C, LIKE WE MENTIONED, WE ALREADY OWN A A PIECE OF THAT.
WE WOULD ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE, UM, THERE'D BE TWO OTHER PARCELS THAT WE WOULD ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION WE HAD.
AND WHAT'S THE RISK OF THEM NOT WANTING TO SELL AVIS AND MIRROR AND THE MIRROR COMPANY, I GUESS, RIGHT? THERE'S A RISK THERE, RIGHT? THEM NOT WANTING, THERE'S A RISK THERE.
I THINK WE, UH, WE TRY TO BE CONSERVATIVE IN OUR ESTIMATES ON WHAT THE LAND ACQUISITION WOULD BE, UM, RIGHT, ANYTIME YOU'RE GONNA NEGOTIATIONS, THERE'S, THERE'S A RISK.
THE REASON I ASK IS IF WE, IF WE SELECT ONE OF THESE TWO OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW THOSE RISKS EXPOSE THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW, THAT BUILDING NOT BEING AVAILABLE, THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE AND YOU GO TO SOME OTHER BUILDING, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, RIGHT? IN B OR C? I WOULD SAY I, I THINK FOR B IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA SAY WE'RE GOING FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING, WE DO DO KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO ADAPT TO WHATEVER'S ON THE MARKET AND HOPE THAT IT FITS THE BUDGET SO THAT AS WE LOOK AT THE OPTIONS, PROS AND CONS, THAT IS A RISK.
I WOULDN'T BE AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ON C.
UM, IT'S A MORE DIRECT, WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
IT'D BE MORE DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE AIRPORT OWNS THE LAND UNDER THE CURRENT BUILDING.
WOULD THE TOWN BE ACQUIRING THAT LAND? SO IF WE GO BACK, UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE COST SLIDE AND I'LL, THIS WILL, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I, AND I DO WANNA PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT LAND ACQUISITION FOR OPTIONS, ALL THE OPTION A'S ONE, TWO, AND THREE, WE'VE PLUGGED IN AN OUT THERE FOR LAND ACQUISITION.
THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE AMOUNT.
WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FAA, THEY'RE COMING IN AND DOING AN ANALYSIS OF THE AIRPORT.
ROUTINE ANALYSIS IS DONE FREQUENTLY.
PART OF THAT WILL BE, UM, JUSTIFYING OR GOING THROUGH A CONVERSATION ON ALL WHAT THEY CALL NON AERONAUTICAL USES.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S A NON-AIR AIRPORT USE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRE STATION, THE FIRE STATION'S ON IS ALSO ON AIRPORT PROPERTY, BUT IT DIRECTLY SERVES THE AIRPORT.
THAT WILL BE A VERY SIMPLE DISCUSSION, UM, WITH THE POLICE STATION.
IT IS POSSIBLE AS WE GO THROUGH THOSE THAT EVEN IF THE CURRENT POLICE STATION STAYED THERE WHEN WE DID NOTHING, THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF TRANSACTION TO JUSTIFY IT BEING THERE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CAVEATS TO THAT NUMBER.
I THINK IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE MUCH LO LOWER THAN THAT NUMBER.
UM, BUT WE, WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS JUST SAY ZERO AND THEN WE COME BACK AT THE END AND SAY, HEY, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE FAA AND WE NEED TO, UM, MAKE THIS TRANSACTION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE PLUGGED THAT IN THERE.
AND THE CONVERSATIONS ARE JUST ONGOING RIGHT NOW.
SO WE DON'T HAVE MUCH DEFINITIVE TO SAY, BUT IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION TO BRING UP.
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POSSIBILITIES TO, TO INCREASE THE SIZE? SO, UM, THE, AS AS YOU LOOK AT, AS YOU LOOK AT THE AIRPORT, AS YOU GO KIND OF IN TOWARD THE AIRPORT TO THE WEST, UM, THERE ARE PARCELS THERE, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF DEMAND FROM THE AIRPORT AND THEY HAVE A VERY CLEAR AERONAUTICAL USE.SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO JUSTIFY USING MORE AIRPORT PROPERTY FOR A NON AERONAUTICAL USE.
YEAH, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T SHOWN THAT OPTION.
SO NO, THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF EXTENDING THE, THE GUN RANGE ON ON THAT, ON THAT, ON THE A, B OR CI MEAN, SORRY, ONE TO THREE ON THE, ON THE OPTION TO WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO TRY TO FIND THE WAY TO DO IT WITHIN THE CURRENT BOUNDARIES.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A GREAT EFFORT IN THESE ESTIMATES.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IS ANY HISTORY OF WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS END UP BEING? WELL, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DOWNTURNS IN THE 40 YEARS.
UM, I HAVE PREDICTED SEVEN OUT OF THE LAST THREE RECESSIONS.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, OUR NUMBERS ARE ALWAYS VERY, UM, CONSERVATIVE, BUT THE CONSTRUCTION COST AND THE PROJECT BUDGET, UH, ARE ALWAYS ALIGNED WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE PROJECT.
THE, UM, THE SOLE EXCEPTION TO THAT WAS IN 2022 WHEN WE DID GET HIT WITH 21% ESCALATION.
OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'RE VERY RELIABLE.
NOW, WHEN COSTS TAKE A DOWNTURN, WE ALWAYS HAVE SOME SCOPE THAT WE DO NOT PROMISE THE VOTERS.
WE UNDER PROMISE AND OVER DELIVER, BUT WE DESIGN AN ALTERNATE TO ABSORB THAT EXCESS, IF ANY.
IN THIS CASE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE MIGHT WANT IT TO DESIGN, IF WE DID THE, UM, OPTION C, WE MAY HAVE SOME LAND ON THAT SITE FOR A 50 YARD FIRING RANGE.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO IS DESIGN A 50 YARD FIRING RANGE, SEE WHERE THE SUBCONTRACTOR BIDS COME IN, BUT THE ACTUAL COST.
AND IF WE DON'T, IF WE HAVE UNDERUTILIZED ESCALATION, WE CAN DELIVER MORE THAN WE PROMISED TO THE VOTERS.
THE KEY HERE IS TO NEVER DELIVER LESS THAN YOU PROMISED THE VOTERS OR TARIFFS INCLUDED IN YOUR CALCULATIONS.
UM, TARIFFS ARE THE BANE OF MY EXISTENCE.
UM, I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO WORK OUT AN EXTRA HALF AN HOUR A DAY TO GET RID OF THAT STRESS.
UM, BUT THEY'RE VERY CAPRICIOUS.
SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF PREDICTING EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW OF TODAY AND KNOW IF THERE'S A HUNDRED PERCENT TARIFF SLAPPED ON CHINA, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR LIGHT FIXTURES AND TOILETS AND TILE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT BARRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD.
I LIKE OPTIONS B AND CI WAS JUST WONDERING, DID, CAN YOU GET CLOSER ON THE NUMBERS? CAN YOU DO LETTERS OF INTENT IN TERMS OF THE LAND ACQUISITION? UH, WE COULD DO SOME MORE ESTIMATION AS WE GO FORWARD AND TRY TO GET MORE DETAILED.
JUST HAVE A SOMEBODY COME IN AND DO A DETAILED LOOK AT, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, RIGHT? ON THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT WE WOULD NOT ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS UNTIL WE GOT FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS.
YEAH, MAKE THE DECISION FIRST.
SO, SO LET'S, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO LET'S THINK ABOUT WHAT TAKE OPTION C.
WHAT, SAY, SAY THIS COMMITTEE SAID YOU WANTED TO GO ON OPT SHEET C, YOU RECOMMENDED THAT TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL SAYS YES, THEY GO TO THE VOTERS.
WHAT THAT WOULD BE TO THE VOTERS AND TO COUNCIL AND THE CHART AND GOING FORWARD IT WOULD SAY, WE WANT TO, I'M GONNA TAKE, I'M GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE, I'M GONNA SHOOT LOWER, LET'S SAY IT'S 52, 50 2 MILLION.
WE'RE GONNA DO 52 MILLION TO BUILD A NEW POLICE STATION.
THAT THERE'S A LATITUDE THERE, RIGHT? SO SAY IN OPTION C, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE CANNOT GET THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE MOST LIKELY
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SCENARIO, BUT LET'S PLAY THAT OUT.THEN AT THAT TIME, WE WOULD GO LOOK FOR OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD ACQUIRE.
AND SO THAT'S THE THING ABOUT OPTION C IS YES, WE HAVE, AND WE WOULDN'T TYPICALLY DO THIS, BUT WE'RE ADDISON, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE MOST LIKELY SITE THAT COULD WORK.
SO WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT SITE, BUT WE COULD GO, THAT OPTION COULD GO OTHER PLACES THAT WE COULD ACQUIRE A PROPERTY.
IT WOULD HAVE SOME DEMOLITION COSTS PROBABLY IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON IT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, BUT THAT OPTION COULD TRAVEL BASED ON VARIABLES THAT POP UP.
IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF ALL POLICE OPERATIONS ON ONE FLOOR.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS RESOUNDING WHENEVER I, UH, HAD THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO ADDISON, UM, I SAT AND I TALKED WITH EVERY MEMBER OF THE, THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I HEARD WAS THERE WAS A DISCONNECT, UH, BETWEEN UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS.
AND THAT WAS LEGIT, LIKE A PHYSICAL DISCONNECT.
UM, WE ALL DID THE TOUR, UM, SOME OF Y'ALL, UH, VENTURED OUT AND WENT UP THE STAIRS.
UM, IT'S, IT IS JUST VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE DAY-TODAY OPERATIONS TO HAVE THAT CONTINUITY.
UM, I THINK DON SAID IT AT ONE POINT, THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE YOU COULD GO MULTIPLE DAYS BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING YOUR WORK AND YOU DON'T SEE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE A FAIRLY SMALL DEPARTMENT FOR THAT BE HAPPENING.
UM, THAT, THAT'S NOT SATISFACTORY IN, IN MY VIEW.
WE'RE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS.
UM, BUT HAVING EVERYBODY, ALL ESSENTIAL MEMBERS OF MY TEAM IN ONE AREA, UM, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S INVALUABLE.
UM, YOU WALK, YOU KNOW, TO THE BREAK ROOM AND YOU'RE GONNA PASS A DETECTIVE AND THAT JUST STARTS THAT CONVERSATION OF IT COULD BE ANYTHING.
AND THEN FROM THERE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, RIGHT? UM, IT'S JUST THOSE, THOSE COLLISION POINTS, UM, HELPS WITH CONTINUITY, HELPS WITH COHESION.
UM, I DON'T LIKE BEING DISCONNECTED FROM MY PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO MY THING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND I WAS VERY CLEAR WITH THE ARCHITECTS AND THROUGH THIS IS THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF MY OPERATIONS ARE ON ONE LEVEL.
UM, I'M VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT.
ME TOO
AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A, IT'S A GOOD, I I LIKE THAT OUR COURT IS WITH THE POLICE STATION.
AND CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT? I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COURTROOM AS PART OF THIS PROJECT THOUGH.
SO YEAH, SO COURT OFFICES ARE STILL IN THE, WILL STILL BE HOUSED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO ALL THE COURT PERSONNEL IS GOING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEREVER THEY GO.
THE ONLY THAT WOULD BE MOVED IS THE ACTUAL TWO DAYS A MONTH OF WHERE COURT IS HELD.
UM, SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AS JASON SAID, WE KIND OF, HEY WISHLIST, YOU KNOW, CHRISTMAS MORNING AND THROUGH IT WE'VE PARSED DOWN, OKAY, WHERE CAN WE REMOVE SPACE? WHERE CAN WE MAKE, YOU KNOW, CONCESSIONS TO GET EVERYTHING DOWN TO WHAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PASSED WHEN IT WENT TO THE VOTERS AND A COURTROOM, THAT SIZE SPACE WAS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE A PLACE HERE, UM, THAT WE CAN HOLD THAT TWICE A MONTH TO NOW WE CAN REU UTILIZE THAT SPACE INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WHETHER IT BE A LARGE TRAINING ROOM, A MEETING AREA.
UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE REAL DRIVING FACTOR OF HAVING THE COURT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A LARGE SPACE TO BE SOLELY DEDICATED TO THAT THAT'S ONLY BEING USED TWICE A MONTH.
UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE USING THAT, THAT KIND OF TAKES UP THAT SPACE AND KIND OF HAMSTRINGS YOU FOR HOW YOU CAN USE IT.
SO IF WE WANTED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, A TRAINING CLASS WHERE ALL OF OUR OFFICERS COME TOGETHER, WE DO A LOT OF TRAINING WITHIN THE ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT MIGHT BE USED FOR COURT TWICE A WEEK, BUT A LOT OF OUR TRAINING CLASSES ARE 40 HOURS.
SO NOW ESSENTIALLY THAT'S TWO WEEKS THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HOU TO HOUSE THAT TRAINING AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO GO OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE TO EITHER USE THE AIRPORT OR CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER AGENCY TO GET SPACE TO WHERE OUR OFFICERS CAN DO THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED.
SO IT WAS JUST IN THE SPACE PROGRAM, IT WAS A GOOD WAY FOR US TO OPEN UP SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE.
UM, AND IN SOMETHING THAT JUST MADE SENSE PROBABLY.
I MEAN, I GLAD YOU HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE THAT THAT IS, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THESE OPTIONS, THAT IS A BIG CHANGE.
IT ALSO REFLECTS KINDA THE CHANGE IN THE WAY COURT HAS BEEN HANDLED OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS AS MORE THINGS HAVE GONE VIRTUAL AND WE'RE NOW THE ONLY HAVING A COUPLE ACTUAL COURT ROOM DAYS A MONTH.
AND SO IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE.
WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL, BUT THE THOUGHT WAS TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY THERE.
WE'RE ONLY DOING, ALL THE COURT STAFF WILL BE THERE IF WE'RE ONLY DOING IT TWO DAYS A MONTH.
WE COULD JUST SET UP COUNCIL CHAMBERS AS AN EXAMPLE ON THOSE DAYS.
DO EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE US READY FOR THAT
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AND HAVE COURT HERE FOR THOSE TWO DAYS.BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
WELL THAT, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE THEN IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE AN OPTION I, 'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S ANOTHER COST, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST PUSH IT DOWN THE ROAD SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SO, AND DON'T WANT TO BUY ANOTHER BUILDING AND JUST HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT FOR THAT.
SO I, I, I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION WHAT IT REALLY MEANS WHEN IN, UH, OPTION B WHERE YOU SAY ON OPTION C WHERE IT SAYS SPACE FOR FUTURE RANGE.
DOES THAT MEAN IF JUST IF WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, WE GET A RANGE AND, AND WHAT KIND OF RANGE DO WE GET? DO WE GET THE 50 YARD? DO WE GET THE ONE WITH THE CAR IN IT? ALL OF THOSE GREAT THINGS.
SO THE SPACE FOR THE FUTURE RANGE LITERALLY MEANS ON THE SITE THE, THE PHYSICAL ACREAGE FOR FUTURE RANGE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF L-SHAPED SPACE RIGHT HERE.
UM, THIS FROM, FROM BASICALLY THIS CORNER FORWARD IS ABOUT 170 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE FIRING LINES OF A 50 YARD RANGE.
BUT THIS AREA HERE IS SORT OF THE PRE-FUNCTION SPACE.
SO YOU NEED TO COME IN, YOU NEED TO GET YOUR WEAPON, YOU NEED TO CLEAN YOUR WEAPON, YOU NEED TO ACCESS AMMO, YOU NEED TO ACCESS TARGETS.
THERE MAY BE A, YOU KNOW, A, A RANGE MASTER OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN YOU GO INTO THE RANGE.
SO THAT KIND OF L-SHAPED FOOTPRINT IS THE PHYSICAL SPACE THAT WE THINK WE WOULD NEED FOR THAT.
YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT COST AS WELL, RIGHT? SO IS, IS THE BUDGET THAT, THAT, OR THE ESTIMATE THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US FOR
SO IF I, MAYBE THIS WILL HELP AND CHIEF CAN SPEAK TO IT.
SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, AND, AND, AND NOT RENOVATING AN OFFICE BUILDING, WE, WE'D HAVE THE SAME CONSTRAINTS.
SO SAY TO YOUR POINT, SAY, HEY, SAY WE'RE RIGHT ON BUDGET, ALL THE ESCALATION HITS, AND WE'RE THERE, AN OPTION WOULD BE, WE'D HAVE TO PLAY IT OUT.
IS WE, WHILE WE WERE GONNA, SOMEONE WILL COME ON THE AIRPORT SITE AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA DO A, WE'RE GONNA SIGN A LEASE WITH THE AIRPORT AND RENOVATE IT.
WE COULD HAVE THEM, THEM KEEP THE CURRENT RANGE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
IT WOULD JUST BE, ON THIS EXAMPLE, IT WOULD JUST BE ACROSS THE STREET, KEEP THE CURRENT RANGE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME SO WE CAN USE IT UNTIL WE'RE READY TO MAKE, TO DO ANOTHER PROJECT.
UM, BUT CHIEF, YOU CAN SPEAK TO KIND OF HOW YOU COULD SEE THAT WORKING.
UM, WE WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO 25 YARD RANGE.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE, WE DIDN'T WANNA REMOVE, UM, CAPABILITIES WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION THAT ALLOWS US TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND GET THE 50 YARD RANGE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, DON SPOKE, UH, ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THAT EARLIER.
BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS, UH, ALL OF OUR OFFICERS CARRY PATROL RIFLES.
THAT'S JUST THE EVOLUTION OF FIREARMS. YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY AT 50 YARDS.
SO, UM, CURRENTLY WE QUALIFY WITH OUR HANDGUNS AT OUR RANGE, AND THEN WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE WITH ANOTHER AGENCY TO GO DO ANY OF OUR RIFLE TRAINING.
UM, WE HAVE TO DO THAT, UM, TWICE A YEAR.
SO THOSE ARE JUST ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WE PLAY OUT NOW, BUT THIS SITE WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT FUTURE RANGE OR THE OPTION OF ADDING THE RANGE.
ONE LAST FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO MULTIPLE QUESTIONS HERE, BUT IT'S ON THE SAME TOPIC.
UM, IF THE ESCALATION NUMBER COMES BELOW WHAT, WHAT IT'S ANTICIPATED, WOULD WE ALREADY HAVE THAT MONEY AND BE ABLE TO BUILD IT OUT SHORT SHORTLY AFTER THE PROJECT? WITH THE PROJECT? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? YEAH.
SO SAY THERE WAS ENOUGH SAVINGS THERE TO DO IT.
I MEAN, WE WOULD GO TO COUNCIL AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL AND, BUT THE, THE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE VOTERS WOULD STILL BE THERE.
THAT THOSE, THE ABILITY TO ISSUE THAT DEBT WOULD STILL BE THERE TO GO DO THAT AT THAT TIME.
WELL, JIM ASKED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT ON OPTION B, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC SITE WE'VE ALREADY ANALYZED, OR IS THIS KIND OF A IT IS SITE THAT MAYBE WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS? THE REASON I ASK IS, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING WITH FACETED CORNERS LIKE THAT IN MY MIND ARE MAYBE HARD TO PLAN FROM A COURTROOM STANDPOINT.
YES, IT IS, BUT WE WERE ASKED TO KIND OF ENVISION THIS AS A LITTLE BIT MORE GENERIC.
AND SO WHILE IT MAY BE THIS SITE, IT MAY ALSO BE A DIFFERENT SITE.
SO THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS IN TERMS OF SITE LOCATIONS.
ON OPTION C WITH THE FLOOR PLAN THERE, AND YOU, SO THE BUILDING, WHAT IS THE BUILDING NEXT TO THE FUTURE GUN RANGE AND ARE THE OTHER BUILDINGS CARPORTS AND ALL THAT? YEAH, THANK YOU.
I, I KIND OF BRUSHED OVER THAT.
UM, AND IT'S NOT IN THE DOCUMENTS HERE.
SO YES, THIS IS THE SUPPORT BUILDING THAT DON SPOKE ABOUT A LOT OF THE GEAR AND EQUIPMENT
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THAT THE POLICE NEED.UM, DUE TO THE, DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO KIND OF FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY, WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE ALL SECURE PARKING WITH CANOPY COVERAGE.
SO ALL OF THESE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, COVERED PARKING SPOTS, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S REPRESENTING.
AND THE COST FOR THOSE CANOPIES, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIAL, IS INCLUDED IN THIS, UH, ESTIMATE.
SO OPTION B, THAT SITE OFF, OPTION B, IS THAT OFF QUORUM? WHERE IS THAT? IT'S AT QUORUM IN KELLER SPRINGS.
AND THEN I TALKED TO MY FRIENDS AT THE AIRPORT AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW DRONES AND DRONES FOR POLICE ARE COMING AND THEY'RE HERE.
UH, HOWEVER, ALL THESE LOCATIONS ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT TO OPERATE.
HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT A DRONE PORT POSSIBLY SHARED WITH CARROLLTON FARMER'S BRANCH? YES, SIR.
YEAH, SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS DFR DRONE FIRST RESPONDER.
UM, AND YEAH, WE ARE TALKING WITH, UM, INTECH, OUR DISPATCH CENTER, WHICH IS A REGIONAL, A SHARED REGIONAL SOURCE, UH, PROVIDING, UM, DRONE PADS AND THEN TALKING WITH FARMER'S BRANCH IN CARROLLTON, SPECIFICALLY WITH SHARING THAT RESOURCE ACROSS, UM, ALL OF OUR METROCREST CITIES.
WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN? I GUESS NONE OF, NONE OF THIS INCLUDES THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALL THESE LOCATIONS ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT TO OPERATE TAKEOFF AND LANDINGS OF DRONES IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO, UH, YOU CAN GET SPECIAL USE TO, TO GET TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT, UM, WITH DRONES.
UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
BUT YEAH, SO LOOKING AT THAT SHARED, UH, NETWORK OF ALL, YOU KNOW, COP HILL FARMER'S, BRANCH CARROLLTON AND US, UM, WE WOULD HAVE A POTENTIAL DRONE SITE SOUTH OF ADDISON TO WHERE IT CAN LAUNCH FROM THERE.
IF THERE WAS, UH, A NEED FOR A COURTROOM, WOULD THIS ROOM HERE BE THE COURTROOM OF CHOICE IF WE WERE NOT PART OF THE POLICE STRUCTURE BUILDING? YES, SIR.
WELL, A COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ALREADY ANSWERED, THE GREEN SPACE AND ALSO ABOUT THE OTHER BUILDINGS, BUT ON THE OPTION C OR THREE FOR THE NEW FACILITY, CAN YOU PROBABLY EXPLAIN THE EXTERIOR AS FAR AS THE SAFETY FOR ALL PERSONNEL, NOT JUST THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE PERSONNEL THERE, BUT VISITORS AS FAR AS, IS THERE A FENCE? IS THERE BRICK? WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME SHOOTINGS IN THE PAST AT FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE DOWNTOWN, UH, DALLAS STATE.
EXPLAIN THE, THE EXTERIOR OF THAT JUST ON THAT, ON THAT PARTICULAR OPTION.
WE KNOW WHAT THE OTHER OPTION IS PRESENTLY.
AND ANYBODY CAN DRIVE BY AND DO A SHOOTING, BUT EXPLAIN ON THIS ONE RIGHT HERE TO SEE WHAT Y ENVISION FOR THE SAFETY OF, AGAIN, NOT JUST ALL THE PERSONNEL FOR ADDISON, BUT ANY VISITORS.
NO, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND IT'S TOP OF MIND WHENEVER WE'RE DOING, UH, A POLICE STATION PROJECT.
SO STARTING KIND OF THE OUTSIDE IN, UH, WE'RE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THE SITE, UH, AND TRYING TO MINIMIZE, UM, WHAT WE CALL TRYING TO CREATE VEHICLE, UH, DISTANCE VEHICLE DETERRENCE.
UH, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE 80 FEET PLUS, UH, BUT THIS IS GONNA FORCE US TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.
UH, TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO, EITHER USING A FENCE OR A SERIES OF TREES, LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS, BERMS, UH, BOULDERS TRY TO CREATE KIND OF A LINE, UH, OF, OF THOSE DETERRENTS TO KIND OF KEEP VEHICLES FROM APPROACHING THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THOSE, THOSE WOULD SHOW UP IN THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN OF THIS PUBLIC PLAZA.
THEY WOULD SHOW UP ALONG ADDISON ROAD HERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AT THE ENTRIES WHERE WE HAVE SECURE SLIDING GATES HERE AND HERE TO KEEP ANY VEHICLES, UH, NON-AUTHORIZED VEHICLES FROM GETTING BACK INTO THE SECURE AREA.
FROM A, FROM A FACADE STANDPOINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT HARDENING, UH, REALLY ANY FACADE THAT HAS A VANTAGE POINT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR INTO STAFF AREAS.
SO THAT HARDENING IS, UM, NATURAL BRICK OR STONE.
UH, IT'S BALLISTIC SHEATHING, WHICH IS A FIBERGLASS COMPOSITE.
UH, AND WE ALSO HAVE EMPLOYED BALLISTIC, UH, GLAZED WINDOWS BEFORE.
UH, AND SO WE KIND OF HAVE A HOLISTIC EVALUATION PROCESS WITH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE CITY TO TALK ABOUT, OKAY, HOW DO WE WANNA APPROACH EACH OF THESE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS? WE TRIED TO, UH, CREATE KIND OF A LITTLE STAFF AMENITY AREA BACK HERE INSIDE THE ELBOW OF THE L UH, WHERE FOLKS COULD FEEL A LITTLE MORE PROTECTED FROM MADISON ROAD AND FROM THE PUBLIC AND HAVE MAYBE A, YOU KNOW, A BARBECUE BACK THERE OR SOMETHING.
UH, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S GONNA BE VISIBILITY TO SOME OF THE, UH, SURROUNDING, UM, MULTIFAMILY.
WE COULD HAVE CANOPIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROTECT IT FURTHER.
UH, AND THEN WITHIN THE LOBBY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN
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YOU'RE IN THE BUILDING, THERE'S REALLY GONNA BE A SECURE PERIMETER AROUND THE ENTIRE LOBBY THAT NOBODY CAN, FROM THE PUBLIC CAN ADVANCE INTO.AND THE, UH, INTERIOR WALLS WILL BE BALLISTICALLY SHEATHED AS WELL.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN WITH ILL INTENT AND, AND OPEN UP, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE LOBBY, NONE OF THAT WOULD GET TO ANY OF THE STAFF SPACES BEYOND, I GUESS ONE OTHER AMENITY.
THE, THE FRONT VESTIBULE WERE TYPICALLY ONE OF THE BEST PRACTICES.
AND SOMETHING WE SAW RECENTLY AT ROANOKE IS WHAT WE CALL KIND OF A SAFE HAVEN VESTIBULE.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN DANGER, YOUR LIFE IS BEING THREATENED, UH, YOU CAN COME TO, UH, THE POLICE FACILITY, THE OUTER DOOR IS ALWAYS OPEN.
YOU CAN HIT A BUTTON THAT LOCKS THAT OUTER DOOR AND THEN IMMEDIATELY CALLS 9 1 1 TO GET AN OFFICER TO YOUR LOCATION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, YES.
I WISH I WAS LIKE SAMANTHA, I WAS LIKE, SAMANTHA AND I COULD WIGGLE MY NOSE AND GIVE IT TO YOU, LIKE RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE YOU NEED IT LIKE RIGHT NOW.
AND WHENEVER I SEE JULY 1ST, 2027, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT THIS WOULD NO.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE COST OF ALL THESE OPTIONS, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FASTEST, BUT THEN I STARTED THINKING ABOUT DO YOU HAVE A PLAN CHIEF AS TO WHAT YOUR PHASING WOULD BE? IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH BUILDINGS TO GO TO TO LIKE PHASE IT OUT WITH EVERYTHING? WHAT ARE THE COSTS TO MOVE YOUR THINGS TO ANOTHER BUILDING? RELOCATION? YEAH.
BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DETERMINE WHICH OPTION WOULD BE BEST WHENEVER I'M THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
AND RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD NEED TO MOVE ALL THEIR THINGS.
THEY WOULD NEED TO FIND A PLACE TO SET UP.
IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE COST AND THE CONSIDERATION? YES, MA'AM.
IT IS, UH, IT'S $4.8 MILLION AND UH, AND THAT'S IN OPTIONS, A ONE, A TWO AND A THREE.
UM, WE JUST, WITH DON, UM, DID THIS FOR THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE.
AND SO THE WAY THAT IT ACTUALLY WORKS IS, UM, WE LEASED A, UM, A, AN A, AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE SPENT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS RENOVATING IT, AND WE PUT IN NOT 150 CAMERAS, BUT 50.
AND THEN WE BUILT A TEMPORARY PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE STORAGE FACILITY AND WE BUILT ADMINISTRATIVE, WE BUILT A POL UM, A POLICE AND FIRE ADMINISTRATION HEADQUARTERS INSIDE THAT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
AND THEN, UM, MOVED ALL THE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, KEEPING THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY IN TACT, MOVED ALL THE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE OVER, AND THEN MOVED ALL THE POLICE OVER.
AND THEN WHEN THE NEW BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED, TORE DOWN THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS, BUILT THE NEW ONE, AND THEN MOVED THEM ALL BACK.
AND IN FACT, JOSH DAVIS WAS THE, UH, PROJECT MANAGER WAS IN CHARGE OF THAT MOVE BACK.
AND NO MA'AM, IT IS NOT FUN OR CHEAP, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE'LL DO AGAIN IF, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE TAXPAYERS.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE COULD DO.
BUT THAT WAS FIGURED INTO THE COST.
ALL OF THE MOVING AROUND AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING.
OUR FIRM HAS MOVED SIX NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTERS OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS.
THAT'S THE TOUGHEST THING TO MOVE IS A NINE ONE ONE RIGHT CALL CENTER.
BUT LOOK, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, EASY OR CHEAP, BUT DEFINITELY DOABLE.
WOULD IT AFFECT OUR CURRENT SERVICES DOING THAT? HOW FAR AWAY WOULD THE TEMPORARY BUILDING HAVE TO BE? UM, I DON'T KNOW, JOSH, HOW MANY, HOW FAR WAS IT? COUPLE, THREE MILES, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF MILES AWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT'S UM, TAKES A LOT OF PLANNING AND, UM, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT RIGHT NOW, UM, IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN OUR LIVES, THE LONGER YOU DELAY BUYING A HOUSE OR BUYING A CAR, THE MORE YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT.
SO OUT OF THESE OPTIONS, WHICH IS THE, THE ONE THAT WOULD BE THE LEAST IMPACT TO US, TO
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THE PEOPLE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, IS THAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE LEAST IMPACT TO THE, THE CHIEF AND TO THE, THE PEOPLE FOR THE SERVICE? AS FAR AS TIME GOES, I'M A CONSTRUCTION LOGISTICS PROFESSIONAL.I'M NOT A POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS PROFESSIONAL, BUT WE CAN I ASK MORE THAN ONE QUESTION? SO I'M SORRY, WE HAVE A COUPLE RIGHT HERE THAT, SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, RELOCATING, UH, WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A DIRECT IMPACT TO OPERATIONS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UPROOTING AN ENTIRE POLICE OPERATION, MOVING IT TEMPORARILY UP, FITTING THAT AREA, GETTING IT THE SECURITY THAT WE NEED, UM, OPERATING OUT OF IT.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET OUT OF IT, TAKING THAT BACK DOWN TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.
SO YES, IT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE.
UM, BUT TO CHRISTMAS POINT, IT HAS BEEN DONE.
UM, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME RIGHT NOW AS THE POLICE CHIEF, I WOULD LOVE TO NOT HAVE TO DO THAT, UM, AND KEEP OUR OPERATIONS, UM, CONTINUOUS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
I JUST WANNA ADD THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT, JUST, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY THAT THAT'S ALSO 4.8 MILLION THAT HASN'T GONE TO ANYTHING IN THE NEW SETTING OR BUILDING THAT'S JUST HANDLING THE TEMPORARY AND CHIEF HIT UPON THE POINT THAT, UM, LEWISVILLE, WE HAD TO GO BACK IN AFTER THEY MOVED OUT INTO THEIR NEW BUILDING TO RETURN THAT EXISTING BUILDING TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITIONS, WHICH WAS REQUIREMENT OF THE LANDLORD.
AND I ALSO WANNA MAKE A CLARIFICATION, I THINK YOU GRABBED A MID 20, 27 MAYBE OFF OF CHRIS'S CHART, WHICH, WHICH THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS TAKING ESCALATION TO SORT OF THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION PERIOD TO START OF CONSTRUCTION.
SO THEY WOULD NOT BE MOVING IN THEIR BUILDING, PROBABLY MORE LIKELY MIDDLE OF 20, 28, 20 NINTH.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MAYBE SCHEDULE, 'CAUSE YOU HAD, YOU MADE A GREAT OBSERVATION.
SO IF THE BOND PASSES IN MAY, YOU WOULD, THE TOWN WOULD THEN GO INTO A PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR AN ARCHITECT, WHICH TAKES A FEW MONTHS.
THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE DESIGN PROCESS, WHICH CONSERVATIVELY IS 10 TO 12 MONTHS.
THEN YOU HAVE A, UH, BIDDING PROCESS FOR YOUR CONTRACTOR BEFORE YOU CAN THEN BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELL INTO 27, UH, BEFORE YOU'RE STARTING CONSTRUCTION.
UH, AND THEN WE THINK PROBABLY CONSERVATIVELY 24 MONTHS FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS BEFORE YOU'RE CUTTING THE RIBBON AND MOVING IN.
I, I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION THEN WE CAN START OVER AGAIN.
ON, UH, OPTION CI SEE THAT THERE'S A MULTI-FAMILY ADJACENCY CHALLENGE.
CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND HOW YOU MIGHT ADDRESS THAT? YOU KNOW, POLICE AGENCIES NATURALLY AND RIGHTFULLY SO, GET NERVOUS WHEN THERE'S JUST PEOPLE THAT CLOSE AND THAT ELEVATED AND THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING DOWN ONTO YOU AND YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THEM UP THERE.
AND SO, YES, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION, BUT THAT'S ALSO WHAT DROVE THE THINKING COLLECTIVELY WITH THE CHIEF AND JASON AND I OF AT LEAST PUTTING CANOPIES OVER THE VEHICLE.
SO AS OFFICERS ARE IN THE VEHICLE LOADING UP THE VEHICLE, UNLOADING THE VEHICLE, THEY ARE CONCEALED AT WHERE FROM ALL THOSE VIEWS AND ANY MAYBE POSSIBLE ILL INTENT OR ANYTHING.
UH, GRANTED, YES, THEY STILL HAVE TO FIND PATHS TO WALK INTO THE BUILDING, BUT THAT YES, IS A CHALLENGE THERE WITH THAT BEING, IF IT'S TWO STORIES, IT'D PROBABLY BE NO BIG ISSUES.
BUT YOU START GOING TO THAT THIRD, FOURTH LEVEL OF THAT VANTAGE POINT AND HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO REALLY THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT THERE IS ONE OF THE, I GUESS, CHALLENGES, IS THERE A SECURITY ISSUE INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL? UM, DON SPOKE TO, THERE'S SECURITY ISSUES WITH, WITH A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD TALK ABOUT, BUT THAT WAS THE REASON FOR WHY WE, UH, ADDED THE CANOPY WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
SO IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE THAT SITE, THE CANOPY WOULD 100%, UM, BE EMPLOYED.
AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT.
SO IT WOULD PROVIDE CONCEALMENT, HELPS ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, REMOVES THAT VANTAGE POINT, UM, JUST TO MAKE OUR OFFICERS FEEL BETTER AND THEN GIVE THE SITE SOME ADDITIONAL SECURITY AS WELL.
I GOT ONE QUESTION, BUT SCOTT, LOT TO IT.
CAN YOU TURN, OKAY, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PAGE.
SO WHY IN THE HECK DO WE WANNA BUILD NEW BUILDINGS AND NOT INCLUDE SHOOT SHOOTING RANGE? 'CAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR MONEY, SO THAT'S LIKE LEAVING OUT THE BATHROOMS AND SAY, WE'LL COME BACK.
NO, THAT'S A GREAT OBSERVATION.
BUT WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE A APPLES TO APPLES.
SO IN A ONE, A TWO, A THREE, THE RANGE STAYS AND, AND, AND B, MORE THAN LIKELY TO BE THE SAME AT B AND C WOULD BE LIKE, WE'D TRY TO KEEP THE SAME EXISTING RANGE IF WE CAN ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE FAA OR WHOEVER MAY THEN TAKE OVER THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO WE DIDN'T WANNA START REALLY SKEWING NUMBERS, UH, TO WHERE IT BE A MISREPRESENTATION THAT IT WAS ALWAYS BASED ON EXISTING RANGE FOR ALL OPTIONS FOR NOW.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'D BE GREAT TO ADD IT INTO THIS ONE, BUT BE FREE TO ONE, TO KEEP THE SHOOTING RANGES NEAR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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YES, SIR.NOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T NO, SIR, I'M SAYING THAT, UH, I WANT A SUCCESSFUL BOND PACKAGE AND I WANNA GET OUR OFFICERS WHAT THEY NEED.
UM, C IS ALLOWS FOR A RANGE AND A FUTURE DATE, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO CONSIDER OF ADDING ON THAT OPTION IS THERE AS WELL.
BUT TO DON'S POINT,
I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD ELABORATE ON THAT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE BRINGING OPTIONS TO YOU ALL THAT IS, THAT IS AN OPTION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER IF YOU WANNA SAY, HEY, YOU WANNA SEE IT WITH THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.
UM, BUT AS CHIEF SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING OPTIONS THAT OUR APPLES TO APPLES THAT, THAT WE ALSO THINK WILL BE THE MOST PALATABLE.
AND IF WE CAN HAVE, IF THAT IS A VARIABLE THAT WE COULD PLAN FOR IN THE FUTURE, THAT COULD, UM, BE SOMETHING THAT WE DECIDE TO DO.
BUT IF THIS COMMITTEE, THIS COMMITTEE SAID YOU WANT TO SEE THAT IN THE NEXT MEETING, YOU WANT TO SEE THOSE COSTS INCLUDED SO YOU CAN REALLY MAKE A DECISION, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
AND RESPECTFULLY, 1, 2, 3, HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE B AND C DON'T, SO IT ISN'T APPLES TO APPLES IN MY OPINION, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
WELL, B AND C, UH, B AND C WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO USE THE SAME SHOOTING RANGE.
UM, AND SAME PART OF THE QUESTION.
SO ON THE, DOES NOT INCLUDE, SHOULDN'T WE PUT DOESN'T HAVE A RANGE ON THE BOXES THAT DON'T HAVE IT, JUST SO WE'RE NOT GETTING CONFUSED AND READING A BUNCH OF GOLY.
AND B, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE, IF THAT ONE SAYS DOESN'T HAVE A COURTROOM, SHOULDN'T YOU ADD, DOESN'T HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE ON THAT LINE? YEAH, WE COULD ADD, YOU KNOW, STILL HERE FOR EVERYBODY.
STILL USING THE OLD RANGE, RIGHT? THE WHOLE BUILDING IS VACANT OVER THERE, BUT THEY'RE DRIVING OVER AND USING THAT RANGE.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THE NEW FACILITY DOES NOT PROVIDE ANYTHING, THE NEW SHOOTING OR DOESN'T HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE ATTACHED OR, YEP.
SO IF WE, UH, UM, I'M ON THE SAME BOAT HERE.
I DUNNO WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT ON THAT SPACE EITHER ON, ON, UM, C THE SHOOTING RANGE, THE RANGE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO BUILD ALL SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE A, WE STILL HAVE A FIRE STATION TO DEAL WITH AND THAT'S A 1980S BUILDINGS TOO.
AND I DON'T WANNA GO TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT NEVER GETS BUILT DOWN.
I'LL HAVE A GREEN SPACE AND HE NEVER GOT WHAT HE WANTED.
GET IT NOW ANYWAY THAT I'M ON THAT PART OF IT.
BUT IF, IF, IF YOU DID DO THAT, THAT RANGE, THE, THAT RAISED THE PRICE THAT WOULD IMPACT FROM YOUR FIRST MEETING, THAT WOULD IMPACT THE, UH, THE NUMBERS YOU GUYS PRESENTED FOR THE DEBT, DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THAT WOULD BE REV REVISED TO US AS A, AS A COMMITTEE.
SO WE, AND THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION TO SAY.
AND, AND TO THE POINT EARLIER, WE ARE HERE TO DO, TO LISTEN TO YOU ALL AND BRING BACK WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT IF WE, IF WE NARROW DOWN A FEW OPTIONS AND IF IN THOSE OPTIONS YOU SAY YOU WANT TO SEE IT WITH A FIRING RANGE WITHOUT A FIRING RANGE WITH A COURTROOM, THEN WE'LL BRING ALL THAT BACK ON EACH OPTION WITH THE FINANCIALS, EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND IT GIVES US MORE TIME TO DIG IN, EVEN IN MORE DETAIL ON THOSE COSTS.
AND WE COULD HAVE MORE REFINED COSTS EVEN OVER THAT MONTH IN BETWEEN.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF.
B OR C, WHAT WAS THAT SIR? B OR C? UM, I WOULD WANT THE OPTION THAT GIVES OUR OFFICERS EVERYTHING WE NEED.
UM, AND AGAIN, GETTING THE RECOMME RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNCIL, UM, I THINK THE, THE WORK THAT THE ARCHITECTS AND, AND CHRIS HAS DONE HAS KIND OF LAID THAT OUT VERY WELL OF WHICH OPTIONS ARE BETTER.
UM, BUT YEAH, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR MY OPINION, I THINK OPTION C IS BY FAR THE BEST.
IF WE GO WITH, UH, BOC, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE EXISTING BUILDING? CAN WE STILL USE THE, THE FIRING RANGE THERE? CAN WE USE, CAN WE DO SOMETHING WITH THAT BUILDING THAT IS AN ASSET TO THE TOWN? OR DO WE ABANDON THAT BUILDING BECAUSE THE AIRPORT OWNS THE LAND? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
SO HERE I'LL PLAY THIS SCENARIO OUT AND LET'S SAY WE, IF, IF WE GO TO A SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE BUILDING A FIRE RANGE, GUN RANGE AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE THE WHOLE SITE.
LET'S SAY IT'S NOT THE GUN RANGE, WE WOULD TREAT IT LIKE ANY OTHER AIRPORT PROPERTY.
AND WITH THOSE, WE WOULD DO AN RFQ FOR A, A LONG-TERM LEASE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IN THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO, SOMEONE, UH, WOULD COME IN AND REDEVELOP THAT SITE.
THAT WOULD MEAN THEY, THEY WOULD DEMOLISH IT AND THEY WOULD BUILD A NEW BUILDING THERE.
UM, AND, AND IT WOULD BE PART OF THE AIRPORT.
NOW WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT, 'CAUSE ONE CONVERSATION COULD BE WHETHER IT'S THE SITE WE TALKED ABOUT IN SEA OR SOME OTHER SITE WE'RE BUILDING NEW, THAT BECOMES NON-TAXABLE, YOU'RE LOSING TAXABLE VALUE FROM THAT SITE.
BUT THE TAXABLE, MOST LIKELY THE TAXABLE VALUE THAT WE GET FROM THE AIRPORT
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WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR PLANES THERE, THE BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY AND OTHER THINGS, THAT BECOMES A BENEFIT TO NOT ONLY THE AIRPORT, BUT ALSO THE TOWN, THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING ADDITIONAL TAXABLE VALUE AS THAT DEVELOPS FOR THE AIRPORT.JUST ONE, SO I CAN GET IT OFF MY MIND.
WE WENT WITH C THE PROPERTY THERE, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HAS BEEN USED BY THE TOWN FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
UM, WHAT ARE THE SOLUTIONS THAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH TO ADDRESS THAT? THE, THE, THE MO THE BIGGEST MO THE BIGGEST USE WE'VE HAD FOR IT IS DURING SPECIAL EVENTS FOR STAGING, FOR PARKING, DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, ABBY IS AWARE OF THAT AND SHE HAS ALREADY BEEN PLANNING FOR IT IN THE FUTURE.
SO I THINK, AND OBVIOUSLY AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WOULD HAVE SOME TIME UNTIL THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN FOR A FEW YEARS, CONSTRUCTION WOULD START SO THEY'D BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR THAT.
UM, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S REALLY MOSTLY STAGING.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD SOLVE FOR.
YEAH, I, I, I THINK C IS DEFINITELY THE BEST OPTION.
UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT LAND ACQUISITION.
UM, SO WHEN WE'VE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE BEFORE WITH OTHER PROJECTS, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME ABOUT WHAT THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA COST.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE 2.9 MILLION THAT YOU HAD UP THERE IS IS REASONABLE.
THE OTHER QUESTION I DID HAVE ABOUT ONE TIME, A LONG TIME AGO, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING SOMETHING ON THIS PARKING LOT.
WHAT DIRECTION? YEAH, RIGHT OVER HERE? NO, THE PARKING LOT OVER HERE, RIGHT ALONG THE ROAD AND, AND DOING A MULTI-STORY BUILDING, PARKING GARAGE, SOMETHING THERE ON THAT SPOT.
AND HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT PUSHING EVERYTHING FORWARD TO THAT CORNER AND THEN UTILIZING THE STUFF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET? I MEAN, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GET AS MUCH LAND AND MAYBE WE STOP WITH WHAT WE OWN NOW? I THINK, UH, CER CERTAINLY WE COULD LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THE PARKING COULD BE, ESPECIALLY AS THIS BECOMES REALLY A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX IN THIS SCENARIO.
I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS JUST IF IF THE BUILDINGS WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THE, AND THE VACANT PROPERTY WAS CLOSER TO US, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
UM, BUT I THINK ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE AND I DO, AS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE TIMES, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE SHOWING THIS OPTION IN MORE DETAIL THAN WE TYPICALLY WOULD AT A BOND COMMITTEE.
JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK AT A MAP AND SEE THERE'S NOT MANY SPOTS THAT ARE GREEN SPACE.
SO IT WOULD, IT DIDN'T, IT WAS NO USE IN TRYING TO HIDE WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THE LAND ACQUISITION IS A VARIABLE IN THAT AND, AND WE CAN'T PREDICT EXACTLY HOW THAT WOULD GO.
MY QUESTION IS FOR MR. GLICKMAN, SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
YOU'VE ALWAYS COME THROUGH ON THE SPOT.
WHEN I'VE SEEN YOU PERFORM IN THE PAST.
FOR EACH OF THE FOUR OPTIONS, CAN YOU PROVIDE US WITH A, A REAL NUMBER, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PER $100,000 OF PROPERTY VALUE, UH, PER $100,000 OF PROPERTY VALUE? LET'S SEE.
UM, I COULD DO THAT CALCULATION.
DO WE HAVE, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'S SLIDE 27, THIS ONE.
UM, SO, UM, FOR APPROXIMATELY A A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, WHAT WOULD, THE QUESTION WAS PER, PER EACH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WELL THAT, IT WOULD BE THE SAME ACROSS EACH OPTION IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST FAIR, FAIR, $100,000.
WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT STEVEN GETS A PRIZE IF HE GETS THIS CORRECT OFF THE TOP OF, OKAY, I GET A PRIZE.
UM, EVERY A HUNDRED THOUSAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, I GUESS IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULD BE, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR EACH ONE.
SO, UM, ON OPTION A HERE, UM, ABOUT 38.6, I'M GONNA ROUND THAT TO APPROXIMATELY, UH, 40 MILLION.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, SOME SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, OF 50 $54.
I, I WOULD, I'M SORRY, $44, UH, FOR THAT.
UM, ON THE OPTION TWO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, I'M GONNA SAY 85 MILLION.
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UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, 90, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE RANGE OF, OF $95 PER YEAR, UM, PER HUNDRED THOUSAND ON, UH, OPTION, UH, THREE, I'LL SAY AROUND 62 MILLION.UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AROUND $70, UM, PER $100,000 OF VALUE.
UH, ON OPTION B, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ABOUT $68 REALLY ON BOTH OF OPTION B AND C.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $68, UH, PER EACH.
'CAUSE NOT ONLY DO WE FULFILL THE PROGRAM AND WE HAVE A FUTURE SITE FOR, FOR A RANGE, UH, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT TOO IS IT KIND OF CREATES A CAMPUS, CAMPUS CONNECTION TO NOT ONLY THIS FACILITY BUT THE REST OF THE TOWN PUBLIC SPACES.
AND SO THE ONLY CAVEAT THERE IS WE, AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'D HAVE TO SOLVE WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THE EVENT PARKING THAT HAPPENS ON THE EMPTY SITE CURRENTLY.
SO, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WOULD'VE TO DEAL WITH SECURITY ISSUES AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT IN MY EYES, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST COMPLETE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, KIND OF INCLUDING THE COSTS OF, OF THE RANGE AND ALL THAT SO WE CAN GET A BETTER HANDLE ON THE OVERALL COST.
UM, SO HOW MANY STORIES ARE THOSE APARTMENTS THAT ARE BEHIND OPTION C? YEAH, THEY'RE UH, FOUR STORIES.
UM, SO I WAS READING THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING, WE TALKED ABOUT A WEATHER SECURITY ROOM OR SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT.
SAY, I'M SORRY, SAY STORM SHELTER.
OH YEAH, YOU, WHAT IS IT? WHAT ARE YOU? STORM SHELTER.
IS THAT IN OPTION C? YES, SIR.
THAT'S IT TO TOO AM LIKING OPTION C FOR ALL THAT IT BRINGS INTO CAMPUS.
UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB,
I'M GONNA DEFER AND THEN IF I POP ANOTHER QUESTION, I'LL PULL MIC.
NOT SURE IF I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I DO LIKE OPTION C WITH THE 50 YARD RANGE BECAUSE I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE OFFICERS CONTINUE TO PRACTICE AND PRACTICE WITH THE, UH, WITH THEIR LOAN GUNS.
UH, WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN ALLEN, UNFORTUNATELY, WE KNOW WHAT WAS USED AND IT WAS THE OFFICER, UH, WHO HAD HIS OWN RIFLE TO TAKE DOWN THAT INDIVIDUAL.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR PEOPLE HERE IN ADDISON THAT WE GIVE THE OFFICERS THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE THEIR TRAINING, TO CONTINUE THE TRAINING CLOSE BY, OR THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO TAKE TIME AWAY FROM THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR US IN ADDISON TO GO DO ANY ADDITIONAL TRAINING.
SO I THINK THE 50 YARD RANGE IS, IS VERY INSTRUMENTAL.
YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WITH THE, WITH THE COST, UM, I JUST, I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU'RE NOT QUESTIONING YOUR EXPERTISE OR ANYTHING, BUT I JUST LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS JUST TO CONFIRM.
SO SITE C, UM, HAVE YOU ALREADY, LIKE YOU, UH, YOU EVALUATED THE UNDERGROUND BECAUSE WE HAVE SEWER ISSUES IN THIS TONE AND WE HAVE LIKE SOME WATER ISSUES.
ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED, RIGHT? AND HOW ABOUT WITH THE, YOU SAID THAT IT'S TIER TWO CONSIDERATION OR TIER THREE BECAUSE DOES IT CONSIDER THE, UM, THE REDUNDANCY AND THE, AND THE GRID AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING? ALL OF ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON THE GRID, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS ALREADY THAT WE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT.
SO HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERED INTO ALL OF THE PLANS? WELL, ALL IS A VERY ALL ENCOMPASSING WORD, RIGHT? UH, BUT YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK FOR RISK MITIGATION.
IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE, THESE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE,
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THE BIG RISKS ARE ENVIRONMENTAL.SO IF YOU HAD A DRY CLEANER THERE FROM 1940 TO 1960, AND THEY WERE JUST DUMPING THEIR EXCESS DRY CLEANING FLUID OUT, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT YOU FIND WHEN YOU DO A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
THERE'S ALSO GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE TO TELL US HOW GOOD OR BAD THE SOIL IS AND IF THERE'S ROCKS DOWN THERE.
UM, SO THE, UM, STAGE THAT WE'RE AT NOW, IF I COULD JUST OFFER A METAL IMAGE, IS WE'VE GOT ALL THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS AND WE'RE NOW AT THE VIABLE OPTION STAGE.
AND WHAT WE WANT TO GET TO IS THE PREFERRED OPTION AND FOLLOWING THE CHAIR'S LEAD RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DIAL IN TWO PREFERABLE OPTIONS, MAYBE IS THE WAY WE SAY THAT.
AND THEN I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SPEND MORE TIME THAT SUBSURFACE RISK.
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WE'VE DONE A VERY CURSORY LOOK AT THE, OH MY GOSH, ON THE UTILITY SIDE, RIGHT? AND WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GREAT INFORMATION, UM, FROM, UM, MR. HOUSLEY ON A FIRE STATION THAT HE WORKED ON 20 YEARS AGO, AND HE BROUGHT SOME EXPERIENCE TO THE STORM DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ON ONE SITE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PRICE.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE WORK TO DO AND THESE FOLKS WILL GO FIRST AND THEY'LL GIVE US A, SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WE NEED TO DIAL IN ON TWO OPTIONS AND THEN, RIGHT.
I JUST KNOW THAT, I JUST WONDERED HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS KIND OF BAKED IN BECAUSE IT CAN ADD SIGNIFICANT COSTS.
LIKE ON SOME OF THESE OPTIONS IT SAYS POSSIBLE ABATEMENT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A QUESTION.
I, I MEAN IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S A ASBESTOS THERE AND I DON'T KNOW, IS IT LIKE, IS IT AROUND THE PIPES? IS IT FLOOR TILES? WHERE'S THE ASBE? YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW, I MEAN, ASBESTOS MITIGATION CAN BE QUITE EXPENSIVE, SO THESE NUMBERS CAN BE SKEWED QUITE A BIT BASED ON OH, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW ACCURATE ARE THESE ESTIMATES AND YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CAN WE MAKE DECISIONS ON THESE NUMBERS AND ARE THEY GOOD? AND WE'RE STARTING TO PUT TOGETHER THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TAX INCREMENT? I AM CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CONTINGENCIES IN HERE BASED ON 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE TO THE, UM, THE RISK THAT WE'RE TAKING.
I WE HAVE BAKED IN ENOUGH, UM, UH, RISK MANAGEMENT FACTORS TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP AND CERTAINLY THE RELATIVE COSTS ARE ACCURATE AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THIS, APPLE WILL COME BACK WITH MORE CERTAINTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT.
I JUST WANNA TOUCH UPON, IT LOOKED LIKE MAYBE YOU WERE MIXING A FEW THINGS TOGETHER, BUT WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT REDUNDANCY AND GRID, YOU KNOW, CHRIS TALKED ABOUT ABATEMENT OR, OR THAT RISK, BUT ON ALL POLICE PROJECTS WE WILL HAVE AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE BUILDING FOR USUALLY 48 TO 72 HOURS.
SO THAT'S THE REDUNDANCY IN THE BUILT-IN.
AND THEN THE GENERATOR WILL EVEN BE HOOKED UP WITH AN UMBILICAL CONNECTION TO WHERE IF IT'S SNOW AGAIN AND YOU CAN'T GET FUEL IN, YOU CAN BRING A SKID MOUNTED OTHER GENERATOR IN, PLUG INTO THE PANEL AND BE STILL PROVIDING CONTINUOUS SERVICES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS CONSIDERED OR NOT BECAUSE TO ME, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE COSTS OF BUILDINGS AND THE COSTS OF THINGS, BUT TO ME THE MORE IMPORTANT THING IS, IS HOW SOON WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE, WHETHER IT BE REMODELING OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE HUMAN COSTS TO, TO THINGS NOT HAPPENING AS IT SHOULD.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS SIR? F
AIRPORT SOUTH OF BELTLINE, UM, ADDISON ROAD, EXCUSE ME, SOUTH OF INWOOD.
UH, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT AS WE'VE HAD CONCEPTUAL CONVERSATIONS
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OVER THE PAST YEAR THAT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR US TO REDEVELOP.UM, THE LARGEST PROPERTY DOWN THERE, UM, HAS SOLD AND IS AND IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
SO IT WOULD TAKE MULTIPLE PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS, UM, AND, AND HAVE A, A COST TO IT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE PRETTY HIGH.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AND WE COULD BRING MORE INFORMATION BACK AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT WE DO THINK THE COST WOULD BE, WOULD BE HIGHER.
AND CHIEF, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IN OPTION C AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S ALWAYS A SITUATION WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AROUND THE ENTIRE TOWN.
IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR CHIEF TO SPEAK TO WHERE KIND OF THE BEST SPOTS IN TOWN TO HAVE A POLICE STATION MIGHT BE.
UM, AGAIN, DON'T REACT TO OPTION C.
WE DO LIKE IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED, IT'S FAMILIAR TO WHERE ARE NOW.
SO AS FAR AS RESPONSE TIMES GETTING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHENEVER YOU START MOVING ANYWHERE TOWARD BELTLINE, SOUTH OF BELTLINE, WE'VE ALL DRIVEN DOWN BELTLINE IN THE EVENING.
UM, SO OUR OFFICERS TRYING TO GET ACROSS THOSE LANES OF TRAFFIC TRYING TO RESPOND TO DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE TOWN.
UM, SO THIS SITE THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS I THINK MORE PREFERABLE TO THE, THE COMMITTEE IS MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED, ALLOWS US TO KEEP THE SAME RESPONSE TIMES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE BECAUSE IT'S JUST MOVING ACROSS THE ROAD.
SO FROM A LOGISTICS STANDPOINT, UH, JUST WITH TRAFFIC MITIGATION, IT IS, UH, A PREFERABLE OPTION.
YOU GOT A SIREN
SO ARE YOU SAYING CHIEF, ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, ON BELT LINE OR THERE BEING ACCESS ON BELT LANE, THAT THAT IS NOT YOUR PREFERRED, THAT IS IF GIVEN THE OPTION? NO MA'AM.
CHARLIE GOT A BELT LINE AND THEN LOOKING AT PROPERTIES YOU WOULD BE GETTING, UM, TO DAVID'S POINT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LOT MORE COSTLY THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
UM, AND YES, JUST DEALING WITH TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OUT FOR EMERGENCIES WOULD NOT BE IDEAL.
SO, UH, YOU IT, IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE IT FOR A VISIBILITY, BUT NOT FOR ACCESS, NOT FOR OPERATIONS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, END DISCUSSION.
TO FRAN'S POINT ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE, THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAVE WE EVEN PAID OFF YET WHAT WE PAID ON THE LAST ONE, I DON'T KNOW, IS IS IT EVEN PAID OFF IT? YES, IT IS.
UM, BUT I WAS WONDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANIMAL CONTROL USED TO BE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IT WAS MOVED.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SHELTER, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WOULD WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO REPURPOSE THAT OR DO WE LOSE IT ALTOGETHER IF WE REMOVE THE POLICE FROM THERE? COULD THAT BE POSSIBLY AN ANIMAL SHELTER? SO IF WE LIVE IT WOULD BECOME AN AIRPORT USE IT.
UM, SO WE, WE LOSE ALL RIGHTS TO THE BUILDING ONCE WE, WE LEAVE IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S STILL OWNED BY THE TOWN.
BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO USE IT FOR ANOTHER USE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET FAA APPROVAL.
AND PART OF THAT WOULD BE TO SHOW THAT THAT PROPERTY CANNOT BE DEVELOPED FOR THE AIRPORT.
AND THAT PROPERTY WE WOULD, COULD CERTAINLY BE DEVELOPED BY THE AIRPORT.
SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO USE THAT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT DOING SOME OTHER LAND ACQUISITION.
UM, WHERE WE DO A LAND SWAP WITH THE AIRPORT OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN MY, MY CONCERNS ABOUT C UH, CAN WE BUILD A WALL OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD PUT, BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FOUR STORIES TO OUR TWO STORIES WITH APARTMENT WINDOWS AND A PARKING GARAGE UP TOP.
I MEAN, CAN, WHAT CAN WE BUILD LIKE A WALL OR, SO I MEAN MAYBE I'M MORE WORRIED THAN CHIEF IS MAYBE CHIEF'S LIKE TOTALLY FINE WITH IT.
NO, AND I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN.
AND AGAIN, UH, LOOKING AT WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT WOULD BE THE CANOPY STRUCTURE.
SO THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE, UH, IF WE WENT WITH THAT SITE, WE WOULD CANOPY'S BULLETPROOF.
UM, NO, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA, IT WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE TO PROVIDE A COMPLETELY BULLET RESISTANT OPTION, UM, OVER A PARKING STRUCTURE LIKE THAT.
SO WHENEVER YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS, YOU'RE LOOKING MORE FOR THAT CONCEALMENT.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COVERING CONCEALMENT, THAT'S WHAT THOSE CANOPY STRUCTURES PROVIDE.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE, THAT IS A CHALLENGE WITH A CHALLENGE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UM, IDENTIFY AND THEN WORK THROUGH WITH THAT CANOPY STRUCTURE.
BUT AS FAR AS A WALL, UM, YEAH, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING WE'D WANNA ADD IN LIKE A NICE, WE COULD HAVE THE ARBOR FOUNDATION PUT SOME ARC ON IT OR SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT, I'M NOT THE COST TESTAMENT, BUT I THINK A FOUR STORY BRICK WALL WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD'VE, UM, BUT NO, BUT AGAIN, AND I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN, IT'S CONCERNS THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IN GREAT LENGTH.
WE FEEL THAT GIVEN THIS SITE ALL OF THE, THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, THE DOWNFALLS TO IT.
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AND I THINK THAT CAN BE MITIGATED A LOT JUST WITH THAT CANOPY STRUCTURE.AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, 'CAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO HOME.
UM, WAS THERE, IN THE, IN THE REHABBING, IS THERE A THOUGHT AT ALL? WAS THERE, WHENEVER YOU TALKED ABOUT REHABBING, IS IT TAUGHT, WAS IT TO LIKE GUT IT AND THEN REDO IT? OR WAS IT JUST TO LIKE FIX UP THINGS AS YOU GO ALONG? WAS IT YEAH, THE LEVEL DIDN'T LIKE WORK IN IT IN CERTAIN SECTIONS AS THINGS WERE HAPPENING? NO, MA'AM.
THE LEVEL OF INTERVENTION THAT'S TAKING PLACE ON ALL THE A OPTIONS, WELL, THE A ONE AND A TWO IS SO SUBSTANTIAL THAT THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE A COMPLETE VACATING OF THE FACILITY.
MOST OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS ARE GONNA BE BLOWN OUT COMPLETELY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE JUST HAVE THE STRUCTURE, UH, STANDING THERE AND IT'S GONNA GET REBUILT FROM THERE.
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, WELL I THINK WE'VE HAD A REALLY GOOD, HEALTHY DISCUSSION.
I THINK IN MY MIND, HEARING WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT, EVERYONE PRETTY MUCH LEANS TO TWO OPTIONS.
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE MAYBE MOVE NANCY, MOVE THAT WE SELECT.
I WOULD, I AM IN, I'M IN FAVOR OF TWO OP, THE TWO OPTIONS BEING B AND C.
AND IT MIGHT SOLVE ITSELF PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, UH, IS THAT, UM, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE RANGE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF THE OPERATIONS ON THE SAME FLOOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, IF OFFICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT MIGHT FIT THAT.
UM, THEN THAT OPTION TO ME IS, IS ALL ALSO, UM, UM, VERY WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS C.
CHAIR, IF YOU WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION, I WOULD PROPOSE ONE NOW.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS COMMITTEE RULE OUT OPTIONS A ONE, A TWO AND A THREE AT THIS TIME.
AND THAT WE ONLY MOVE FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT CONSIDERATIONS FOR OPTIONS B AND C, SECOND
TAKE THAT MOTION AND THEN AT THE END I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH DIRECTION THAT I'VE HEARD.
UH, SO I GUESS YOU'LL PRESENT OPTIONS B AND C NEXT GO AROUND.
I'LL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL TRY TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I'VE HEARD.
SO WE, WE WILL COME BACK WITH B AND C.
WHAT WE WILL DO IS INCLUDE THE FIRING RANGE IN BOTH OPTIONS, NOT EXCLUSIVELY, BUT KIND OF MULTIPLE OPTIONS WITHIN THOSE.
UM, I THINK WE'LL ALSO COME BACK ON C AND TALK ABOUT IN A SCENARIO WHERE THAT SITE DOESN'T WORK FOR SOME REASON, WHAT COULD IT LOOK LIKE IN A DIFFERENT SITE? I THINK BASED ON THE CONVERSATION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE.
SO I THINK NARROWING IT DOWN WITH SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONS IS, IS GREAT.
AND WE HEAR THAT DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE, INCLUDING COSTS.
WELL, I, I WANNA ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT, UH, MEETING ADJOURN 49TH.