* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:07] OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. [1. Call Meeting to Order and Announce that a Quorum is Present.] IT IS FIVE THIRTY TWO AND WE'LL CALL AN ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT WITH ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL PRESENT, UH, THIS EVENING. AND, UH, WE'LL GO RIGHT [2. Proclamations / Presentations] INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. THE TWO A IS 2025 FOOD SERVICE SAFETY AND SANITATION AWARDS, UH, RECOGNITION. AND SO WE WILL ASK, UH, OUR UH, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH MANAGER, SANDRA LONG TO COME UP AND PRESENT THESE. EXCELLENT. EXCUSE ME. YES. SO THE FOOD SAFETY AND SANITATION AWARDS ARE GIVEN TO THE RESTAURANTS WHO HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB FOR THE PAST YEAR. AND WE DO THE YEAR, OCTOBER TO OCTOBER. SO WE LOOK AT VIOLATIONS, TYPES OF VIOLATIONS ON THEIR SCORES. SO THESE ARE THE TOP RESTAURANTS IN EACH OF THEIR OWN CATEGORIES. SO WE DO FULL SERVICE SANDWICH, JELLY, AND FAST FOOD. AND ALL THE CATEGORIES ARE BASED ON PROCESS. SO WHILE YOU MIGHT LOOK AT SOMEBODY AND GO, OH, THAT'S FAST FOOD, WE LOOK AT HOW THEY ACTUALLY PREPARE THE FOOD AND THE STEPS IT GOES THROUGH, WE GO, OH YEAH, NO, THAT'S FULL SERVICE. SO FULL SERVICE DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN SIT DOWN DINING JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. ALRIGHT? SO WE HAVE, UH, THREE AWARDS, BUT WE HAVE A TIE IN ONE CATEGORY 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T, DIDN'T WANNA SPLIT HAIRS AND GO, HMM. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BOTH REALLY GOOD. SO WITH THAT SAID, WE HAVE, UH, FAST FOOD AND ONE OF THOSE AWARDS WILL BE FOR SHAKE SHACK. THEY'LL BE RECEIVING ONE OF THE AWARDS FOR THIS. UH, THEY ARE NOT PRESENT RIGHT NOW. SO FOR THAT, THAT'S GREAT. THE OTHER WINNER IN THE FAST FOOD CATEGORY WAS RAISING CANES, CHICKEN FIGURES, AND THEY ARE HERE. ALRIGHT, CONGRATULATIONS. FIRST TIME. HOW MANY TIMES Y'ALL DONE THIS? NOW? THIS IS ALL 10 MINUTES SIR. OKAY. I AM RIGHT HERE. THIS FOR THE NEWSLETTER TWO YEARS IN A ROW AND BOTH OF OUR FAST FOOD WINNERS ARE ACTUALLY MULTIPLE WINNERS. GREAT. AND THANK YOU TO RAISING THINGS 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE REALLY ACTIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO GET YOUR GUYS OUT THERE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WELL, WE'RE GLAD TO BE PART OF IT. I MEAN, I, WE WERE OUT AT OCTOBERFEST AND YOU KNOW, UHT ADDISON, IT'S A, A GREAT COMMUNITY. WE'RE GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT. AND JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO YOU ALL AS WELL. CONGRATULATIONS IN OUR SANDWICH JELLY CATEGORY RIGHT HERE. YOU AWARE? THESE ARE YOUR SCHLOSS. HERE WE GO. I MISSED YOU. I DIDN'T REALIZE. HERE'S WE DON SEE CONGRAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE. AND THE, UH, THE LAST AWARD, WHICH IS FULL SERVICE DINING AND FULL SERVICE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN SIT DOWN DINING. WE'LL GO TO PUTT SHACK AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT ME GOING, ISN'T THAT FASTING? ABSOLUTELY NOT. THEIR PROCESSES IN THE BACK ARE VERY TECHNICAL AND SO PUTT SHACK IS RECEIVING THE AWARD IN OUR FULL SERVICE DINING CATEGORY. THEY'RE NOT HERE. LISTEN, THEY'RE ON CALL. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE PLAQUE, THEY ALSO RECEIVE A WAIVER TO WAIVE THEIR RENEWAL FEE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR THEIR FOOD, UH, SERVICE LICENSE. OH. SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER LITTLE STEP THAT WE DO TO REWARD THEM. YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF ENCOURAGE THEM TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND MAYBE HAVE A LITTLE PARTY WITH THEIR, UH, EMPLOYEES AND CELEBRATE THEIR EMPLOYEES AS WELL. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SANDY. MUCH. GOOD. ALRIGHT. VERY GOOD. WE'LL MOVE ON TO [3. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.] ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, CITY COUNCIL ADVISE CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA, THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA. COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THE SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW. AND, UH, SO THIS IS AT THAT TIME THAT THE FOLKS CAN ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, OR NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR UP TO THREE [00:05:01] MINUTES. I DON'T HAVE ANY APPEARANCE CARDS. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, PLEASE GO FORWARD THIS TIME. SURE, I WILL. THANK YOU MUCH. WALK ALL THE WAY OUT THERE. I'M SWEATING BULLETS AND YOU KNOW THE DRILL. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. I THINK, MAYOR, MY NAME IS MARTIN AND I LIVE IN 4 8, 9 9 TO LADY CIRCLE AND OF OPPOSED ADD. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, UH, AFTER LIVING, UH, AND WORKING AS FOR 10 YEARS, IT WAS A PLEASURE TO SEE THAT IN THE AGENDA TODAY IS, UH, IOWA DISCUSSION CALLED INCREASING ADDISONS OLDER OCCUPIED HOUSES. MANY OF THE OWNERS, WHICH IS 16% OF THE OWNERS WHO LIVE IN ADDISON, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THIS, UH, MANY YEARS AGO. I THINK MR. MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN ASSERTIVE WHAT? POLITE BECAUSE THE MORE PEACE AND OWNERSHIP HAVE. SO IT'S GREAT THIS IS GONNA TAKE PLACE. UH, JUST I WILL MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT AND IT'S IN REGARDING TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASSIST BASED ON THIS DOCUMENT ON PAGE 19. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY AND THEY RECOMMEND DUPLEX, TRIPLETS, UH, SMALL MID RICE TOWN HOMES. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. UH, THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I HAVE REGARDING THAT IS I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT OF SATURATION WITH TOWN HOMES BEING ONE PERSON THAT LIVES IN A TOWN HOME. UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH SENIOR LIVING, SENIOR LIVING OFFICE AS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE UH, UH, AN EXAMPLE HERE WITH TRADITION RIGHT CLOSE TO US, 220 GLS LIVE THERE AND IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL. THEY HAVE A A WAIT LIST TO MY KNOWLEDGE. SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS. I HOPE YOU LOOK AT IT FAVORABLY. WE LOOK, I'M SAYING WE, THOSE OWNERS RIGHT? WE LOOK AT IT AS A STEP FORWARD AND WE APPRECIATE MR. MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL WILL STATE THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOUR ALRIGHT. YOU EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC. COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER THREE AND MOVE TO ITEM [4. Council Member Clarification Requests Regarding Consent Agenda Items. ] NUMBER FOUR. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARIFICATION. REQUEST REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FROM COUNCIL OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED ON CONSENTS ITEMS? NOPE. OKAY, VERY GOOD. THEN WE WILL CLOSE THAT. AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR A IS COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL SENDS TO STAFF REGARDING, UH, AGENDA ITEMS ARE PUT INTO A DOCUMENT AND SENT OUT TO THE, UH, TO THE COUNCIL ALL IN ONE DOCUMENT. THAT SAME DOCUMENT IS UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE AND ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN GO TO THE TOWN WEBSITE, FIND THE AGENDA, AND THERE'LL BE A LINK THERE TO DOWNLOAD THAT Q AND A DOCUMENT. SO YOU'RE SEEING THE SAME THING THAT WE ARE. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE CLOSED MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE END OF THE MEETING TONIGHT. UM, JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF OUR, UM, ALL OF OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. SO WE'RE GOING TO JUMP FORWARD TO ITEM [a. Present and discuss owner-occupied housing in Addison.] NUMBER SEVEN, THE WORK SESSION REPORTS SEVEN A IS PRESENT AND DISCUSS OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING IN ADDISON. DAVID, UH, THANKS MAYOR. I JUST WANNA MAKE, I'LL JUST MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS BEFORE WE KICKED US OFF. UH, AS WAS JUST MENTIONED, THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ONGOING IN TOWN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THIS HAS BEEN PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO BRING FORWARD THIS DISCUSSION. WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND, UM, QUITE A BIT TO GET TO THIS POINT. A LOT OF EFFORT TO HAVE A GOOD, ROBUST CONVERSATION. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WILL HAVE. I THINK THIS IS CERTAINLY THE MOST ROBUST DETAILED CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD ON THIS TOPIC. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION, THE DISCUSSION, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WILL TAKE THAT DIRECTION AND MOVE FORWARD. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT PREFACE BEFORE I KICK IT OVER TO WAYNE AND WE JUMP STRAIGHT IN. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT DAVID, MR. RAM MAYOR COUNSEL, UH, WAYNE EMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UM, KIND OF ECHO IT, UH, DAVID SAID THERE, UM, REALLY EXCITED TO KIND OF HEAR THIS CONVERSATION. AND REALLY THIS IS WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS ABOUT, SORT OF, UH, KIND OF LAY OUT SOME OF THE FACTS AND THE MARKET, UH, AS IT RELATES TO OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING HERE IN ADDISON. AND WHEN THIS, UH, PROJECT SORT OF, UH, CAME TO ME, I STARTED THINKING ABOUT WHO COULD HELP FACILITATE THIS. AND SO TONIGHT WE HAVE HERE, UH, PARIS RUTHERFORD WITH, UH, CATALYST URBAN DEVELOPMENT. UM, I'D WORKED ON A COUPLE OF OTHER [00:10:01] PROJECTS WITH PARIS AND MY TIME IN DENTON. UM, UH, HE'S VERY INVOLVED IN THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE AS WELL AND SEE HIM AROUND THERE. SO, UH, AND THEN HE HAS A VERY STRONG TIME HERE IN ADDISON. HE WAS PART OF THE, UH, DESIGN IN OUR ADDISON CIRCLE WHEN HE'S WITH RTKL. UM, SO I KNEW JUST THE PERSON THAT WE COULD, UH, HELP FACILITATE THIS DISCUSSION. AND HE'S, I CONSIDER HIM A BIT OF AN URBAN ECONOMIST AND A DEVELOPER. SO I THINK HE WILL, UH, BE VERY PLEASED. AND WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL HAVE PARIS COME UP HERE AND LET HIM INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO YOU. HELLO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND THE CHANCE TO GET INTO SOME EXCITING IDEAS, UH, THAT WE WANT BRING FORWARD TO YOU. UM, SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ASSIGNMENT IS TO LOOK AT UNOCCUPIED HOUSE AND NOT GET MORE OF IT, UM, IN THE TOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, UH, STAFF NOTES, UM, I ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN OF ADDISON HAS SHOWN LEADERSHIP IN THE REGION ON MULTIPLE THINGS SINCE I GOT HERE IN THE EARLY NINETIES ON A NUMBER OF THINGS. UM, I'VE ONLY SEEN LEADERSHIP ALONG THE WAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE GRAPPLING WITH HERE AND THINKING ABOUT, UM, IS DEFINITELY IN LINE WITH WHERE OUR SHIPS ARE HAPPENING, UH, IN OUR REGION. SO, ONCE AGAIN, ADDISON IS THE FOREFRONT AND, YOU KNOW, HAS, SO I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF THE BASELINE QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE SOME OF IT ISN'T OBVIOUS. UM, I, UH, SOME OF IT MAY BE OBVIOUS TO SOME OF US, BUT SOME OF IT CAN NOT BE. UM, AND I DON'T WANT TALK ABOUT THE CONTEXT FOR HOW HOUSING CAN FILTER INTO THE TOWN. UM, TALK ABOUT SOME ALTERNATIVES BEYOND TOWN HOMES. UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TOWN HOMES BUILT. THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PRODUCT TYPES AND HOUSING TYPES THAT CAN COME IN, UM, THAT ARE MISSING RIGHT NOW. UM, AND IT'S AN IMPLEMENTATION. SO I THINK THERE, THE FIRST KIND OF FOUR QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WE LOOKED AT WERE, FIRST OF ALL, WHY ARE THERE SO MANY APARTMENTS? AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S THREE ANSWERS TO THAT. UM, THE FIRST IS JUST LAND ECONOMICS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, JUST KIND OF BASELINE ISSUES. YOU LOOK AT JUST WHAT'S ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. UM, AND WHAT WE SAW ONLINE AT COSTAR, THAT'S ABOUT $53 OR SO IS SQUARE FOOT. UM, IF YOU COMPARE THAT, FOR INSTANCE, TO SINGLE FAMILY, AND WE TOOK AN AVERAGE ACROSS ALL YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW, BEST HOMES, GREAT HOMES IN BETWEEN HOMES, THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE 15 TO $20 . SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A BIG IMBALANCE IN ECONOMICS FROM A LAND STANDPOINT. IF WE'RE TALKING SINGLE FAMILY, WE'RE NOT TALKING SINGLE FAMILY. BUT THAT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE FROM, FROM A TRADITIONAL HOME OWNERSHIP. SANTA, I THINK SECOND IS THE TOWN IN THE LATE EIGHTIES AND EARLY NINETIES, UH, MADE A SERIES OF STRATEGIC DECISIONS, UM, TO CREATE MIXED USE DISTRICTS WITH URBAN APARTMENTS TO CREATE AN URBAN, NO, THE TOWN IS INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL DOING THAT BECAUSE OF THE SMALL FOOTPRINT OF THE TOWN AND SO MUCH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE REMAINDER OF LAND, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LAND FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. IT'S, IT'S NOT, THE TOWN IS SET OUT UP FRONT, UM, TO DO AT LEAST IN . SO YOU WANNA SALUTE THE HIGHER COUNCILS AND, AND THE TOWN'S EFFORTS AT BEING SUCCESSFUL IN ACCOMPLISHING MULTIPLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS. UM, AND SO WE'VE HAD SO MUCH SUCCESS THAT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO KIND OF CHANGE THE, THE, THE WAY OF THE TANKER, IF YOU WILL. AND THE THIRD IS CURRENT HOUSEHOLD INCOMES, WHICH ARE INFLUENCED BY THE, BY THE APARTMENTS CERTAINLY. UM, THEY HAVEN'T SUPPORTED OWNERSHIP AT PERCENTAGES, UH, THAT YOU SEE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. UM, SO HIGH-RISE CONDO TOWERS KIND THING. WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, UM, HERE A LITTLE BIT. BUT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THOSE ARE THE THREE PRIMARY REASONS, UM, WHY WE HAVE AS MANY APARTMENTS AS WE DO. NUMBER B BEING PROBABLY THE LARGEST SECOND QUESTION IS, CAN FOR SALE DEVELOPMENT, PAY COMMERCIAL LAND? AND THE ANSWER IS, IT CAN QUESTION IS, WHERE AND WHAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THE MARKET? WHAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT FOR SALE HOUSING? THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING. UM, SINGLE FAMILY CAN'T BY AND LARGE, UM, BUT ON MANY OUR BE SIMPLE MORE DENSE HOUSING CAN BECAUSE WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE DENSITY, UM, TO HELP OFFSET THAT COST. THE THIRD IS, CAN CAN THE TOWN CHANGE THE COURSE THEY YOU HAVE BEEN ON OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS? UM, AND INCREASE HOME OWNERSHIP PERCENTAGE? THE ANSWER IS YES. UM, I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT IS THERE IS A SCARCITY OF AVAILABLE LAND JUST TO START. SO YOUR, AS YOU'LL SEE, YOUR COMP PLAN IS DOING GOOD WORK RIGHT NOW, THE UPDATE THAT Y'ALL ARE WORKING ON, UM, IN IDENTIFYING ZONES FOR REDEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE, [00:15:01] THE SPECIAL PLACE WHERE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMES TO FRUITION, IN MY OPINION, CONVERTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY INTO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND LEFT, AS YOU'LL SEE, UM, FOR JUST STRAIGHT RESIDENTIAL TO MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE IN THE PERCENTAGES. AND THEN HOW CAN THE ACCOUNT MAKE THIS HAPPEN? YOU'LL SEE MY LAST SLIDE. UM, BE PROACTIVE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE TO START IN THE PROCESS. UM, THAT'S IDENTIFYING TYPES THAT WORK BEYOND TYPICAL TOWN HOMES, LIKE THE THREE STORY, THE GARAGE BELOW, THAT'S GREAT FOR A CERTAIN HOUSEHOLD TYPE, BUT IT'S NOT GREAT FOR A LOT OF OTHER HOUSEHOLD TYPES AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF THAT ALREADY. SO THERE'S OTHER MODELS THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW THAT ARE BEING DONE SUCCESSFULLY ELSEWHERE, UM, THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE BROUGHT TO TOWN HERE. SO JUST IN TERMS OF A BASELINE UNDERSTANDING, UM, I, PERCENTAGES ARE A DIFFICULT THING BECAUSE THEY, WHEN YOU COMPARE YOURSELVES TO ANOTHER CITY THAT MAY HAVE A MUCH LARGER LAND FOOTPRINT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL TAX BASE THAT YOU DO. I KNOW THAT'S OBVIOUS, SO THE PERCENTAGES DON'T REFLECT THAT KIND OF COMPARISON. BUT NONETHELESS, YOU HAVE A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF FOUR LEASED HOUSING FOR THE REASONS I MENTIONED BEFORE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU ARE, YOU COMPARE YOURSELF TO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR IN OTHER REGIONS, METROPOLITAN REGIONS. UM, WHAT COMES TO MIND IS A PLACE, IF YOU KNOW BELLEVUE AND SEATTLE, UM, OBVIOUSLY LAS COLINAS HERE IS KIND OF AN EDGE STATE WITH A LOT JOBS. UM, YOU LOOK AT TYSON'S CORNER, THESE ARE ALL PLACES THAT I'VE WORKED, UM, IN THAT AREA OF VIRGINIA, UM, IRVINE, IF YOU KNOW THE SPECTRUM, THESE ARE ALL ADDISON, LIKE IN THE SENSE THAT THEY'RE EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICE CENTERS FOR A MUCH LARGER SUB REGION. AND ADDISON IS, YOU KNOW, OCCUPIES THAT, THAT SPACE RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF JOBS, A LOT OF RESTAURANTS, GREAT SERVICES, UM, BASICALLY LIKE AN URBAN NOTE. SO IT'S NOT, WE DON'T FIND IT'S HELPFUL TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO RICHARDSON OR TO PLINIO OR TO MCKINNEY BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE A DIFFERENT KIND OF CITY. THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER AND THEY DON'T HAVE PER CAPITA THE SAME NUMBER OF JOBS. THEY'RE NOT AS URBAN AS, AS THE TOWN IS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE AND YOU SAY, WELL, IN THOSE KIND OF LIFE COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF OWNER OCCUPIED AND ADDISON'S AROUND 17%? YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT RANGES FROM 20 TO 44% DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE OF THOSE PLACES YOU ARE. IF YOU DO A WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF THAT, THAT'S AROUND 28%. AM I SAYING THAT 28% IS A MAGIC NUMBER IF I'M NOT? UM, BUT JUST TO LOOK AT THOSE EXAMPLES, IF WE JUST PUT OUT THERE A TARGET OF 28%, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK YOUR, THE FOLKS DOING YOUR CONFERENCE AND PLAN ALSO DID AN INTERESTING ANALYSIS OF LOOKING AT THE TOWN AS AN URBAN NODE AND ESPECIALLY, UH, THE NUMBER OF DAYTIME POPULATION COUNTS THAT YOU HAVE AND YOU LEAD THE PACK, UM, IN THAT COLLECTIVE SET AS WELL. AND SO WHAT I FIND IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE METROPLEX, AND WE ARE EVOLVING INTO A PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS SERVICES AROUND, SO WE'RE HAVING MORE COMPETITION HERE THAN WE'VE HAD BEFORE. UM, THE TOWN IS GEOGRAPHICALLY BETTER POSITIONED, IN MY OPINION. IT'S MORE CENTRAL. UM, YOU ALREADY HAVE A BIG LEG UP IN TERMS OF RESTAURANTS AND OTHER GOOD THINGS. SO I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WITH THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, UM, I THINK YOU CAN BECOME EVEN MORE OF A GO-TO URBAN DESTINATION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WERE AIMING FOR IN THE NINETIES WHEN PLACES LIKE THAT PARK CAME IN. IT WAS TO, TO CREATE THAT. I THINK THIS FURTHERS THAT. WHAT, WHAT IS THAT 35,004? WHAT, WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? THOSE ARE, THAT IS THE NUMBER OF DAYTIME POPULATION I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. THE 1 23 WOULD BE DAYTIME. MM-HMM . YEAH. AND WHAT IS THE 35,000 NIGHTTIME? WE DON'T HAVE A POPULATION OF 35,000. YEAH, NO, BUT I THINK THAT'S PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN AND RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO NOT POPULATION, BUT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR TOWN, EITHER THAT ARE IN THE TOWN. OKAY. PRE AT NIGHT. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THOUGHT WE WAS LOOKING AT MAYBE OUR POPULATION VISITORS. I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT POPULATION. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. PEOPLE IN THE TOWN DOING THINGS. OKAY, LET ME KEEP THIS STRAIGHT FROM YOUR COMMENT HOME. SO WHEN, UH, STAFF PROVIDED A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWED US WHAT THE AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE VACANT LAND IS IN THE PLANT RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT MUCH. EIGHT ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL, 72 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL. SO JUST FOR HYPOTHETICAL, IF YOU TOOK A TOWN HOME DENSITY SOMEWHERE AROUND 15 UNITS TO AN ACRE AND YOU SAID ALL THE RESIDENTIAL LAND WAS GONNA GO TOWN HOME, AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT HALF OF THE VACANT COMMERCIAL LAND WENT TOWN HOME, YOU GET 660 UNITS. UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT 28% NUMBER, THAT TARGET THAT I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE NEED ABOUT 2300 UNITS. SO YOU CAN SEE THE [00:20:01] TOWN HOME DENSITY, IT MOVES THE NEEDLE, BUT IT DOESN'T MOVE IT A LOT IN TERMS OF THE BASE GOAL OF HAVING MORE, UH, HOME OWNERSHIP HOUSEHOLDS IN THE TOWN. SO, UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT DENSITY, THAT 2350 THAT REFLECTS ABOUT 30 UNITS TO THE ACRE AND THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF DEVELOPER RISK THAT COMES WITH THAT. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO HERE IN A MINUTE. SO I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS TO THAT. ONE IS TO ALLOW MORE COMMERCIAL LAND TO BE DEVELOPED ABOVE THAT 50%, WHICH YOUR COMP PLAN, UH, REDEVELOP, WHICH YOUR COMP PLAN IS CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW. UM, AND ALSO, UM, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME KEY APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT CAN CONVERT INTO . THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE PAGE SHOWER THAT DO YOU MEAN AS THEY EXIST NOW, CONVERT THEM INTO OR SCRAPE THEM AND BUILD BONDS? EITHER OR? YEAH, EITHER OR. SO THIS, HERE WE LOOKED AT YOUR CURRENT HOUSEHOLD INCOME KNOWING THAT THIS CHANGES. AND ONE OF THE STRATEGIES, UH, THAT WE HAVE THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT IS TO, UH, ATTRACT, UH, MORE HIGHER HOUSEHOLD INCOME FAMILIES AS WELL. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT TOPIC. WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. BUT JUST LOOKING AT WHAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, LOOKING YOUR CURRENT HOUSEHOLD INFORMATION, LOOKING AT YOUR CURRENT HOUSEHOLD INCOME FROM A MEDIAN STANDPOINT, AND THEN THINKING ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP. SO YOU HAVE THE FIRST TIME BUYER THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BIG SLUG OF EQUITY TYPICALLY 'CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SOLD THEIR HOUSE. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT BIG, SO IT'S MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM. THEY HAVE TO HAVE HIGHER INCOMES TO AFFORD, YOU KNOW, HIGH PRICE HOUSING. UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SECOND GROUP, UM, WHERE YOU'VE GOT THAT EQUITY SLOPE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED LINES THERE, WE LOOK AT BOTH FOR SALE AND FOUR LEADS, JUST IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED BASED ON THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE IN THE TOWN TODAY. OKAY. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOMES AND GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, RANGE OF FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH THE COST OF THAT, INTEREST RATES ARE SUPPORT AND SO ON. YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE A HUGE PERCENTAGE TODAY OF THE EXISTING POPULATION THAT COULD AFFORD WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY, JUST TO START. SO WHAT THAT SAYS TO ME IS CLEARLY THE, THE FOUR LEASE COMMUNITIES HAS AN IMPACT ON THAT, BUT IT ALSO SAYS THAT AS WE CYCLE UP IN FOR FOR SALE HOUSING, THERE'LL NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE STRATEGIES TO ATTRACT A DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLD TYPE THAT MIGHT BE FURTHER ON IN THEIR CAREERS THAT MAY NOT HAVE KIDS. FOR INSTANCE, MAYBE THEIR KIDS HAVE GROWN IN MASON AND GONE, THEY HAVE HIGHER INCOMES THEY CAN AFFORD MORE SO HOME BUYER MARKETPLACE. THERE'S BASICALLY FAMILIES AND NON FAMILIES THAT GET SIMPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FOR QUALITY OF SCHOOLS, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR GOOD PARKS, WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS, RIGHT? UM, NON FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR DIFFERENT LIVING STYLES, ACCESS TO AMENITIES, RESTAURANTS, ACTIVITIES, SO FORTH AND SO ON. AND OUR BASIC TAKE ON THIS IS THAT WHILE WE HAVE SOME GREAT PRIVATE SCHOOLS AROUND, WE HAVE GOOD PUBLIC SCHOOLS, UM, COMPETITIVELY SPEAKING, BUT PUBLIC SCHOOLS AREN'T WHERE THEY ARE ELSEWHERE IN THE REGION. UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS, THEY'RE FANTASTIC. THEIR ACCEPTANCE RATE, UM, IS MEANS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF KIDS THAT ARE GOING IN EACH YEAR. UM, SO IT'S JUST A SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUE. SO EVEN THOUGH THE TOWN IS GREAT AND DEFINITELY CAN WELCOME FAMILY HOUSEHOLD WITH KIDS, THAT'S ALL GOOD. UM, THERE'S LIKELY GONNA BE DEMAND FOR NON-FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS. UM, THAT'S PROBABLY A SWEET SPOT TO BE LOOKING AT STRATEGY FOR IN TERMS OF, OF HOME OWNERSHIP, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT FOR A COMMON TERM, FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS? OR IS THAT FOR THE RETIRED HOME BUYERS? WELL, IT'S YOUNG PROFESSIONALS. IT'S CHILDLESS COUPLES AND IT'S IN NEST. OKAY? MM-HMM . YEP. AND SO THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS YOU HAVE A, A GREAT STOCK OF OF OFFICE. AND WE'RE NOT HERE TALKING ABOUT OFFICE. THERE'S A WHOLE STRATEGY ABOUT HOW TO POSITION OFFICE MORE EFFECTIVELY SO THAT IT, IN THE NEW ECONOMY THAT WE'RE IN POST COVID, YOU KNOW, THEY CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN VALUE. THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION. BUT HOUSING IS A BIG PART OF THAT, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR CORPORATE EXECS, THE C-SUITE HOUSING, UM, IS, AND FOR MIDDLE MANAGEMENT WHERE THAT IS. AND YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THIS, UH, IT IS LIKELY, UM, THAT MANY OF THOSE FOLKS IN YOUR OFFICE SPACE ARE PROBABLY LIVING IN THE PARK CITIES BASED ON COMMUTE TIME, UH, TO LOOK AT THE KIND OF THE ELITE COMMUNITIES, IF YOU WILL, PROSPER, UNI PARK CITIES, UH, WESTLAKE, SOUTH LAKE TROPHY ABOVE AND COLLEYVILLE. UM, THE PARK CITIES HAS ON AVERAGE ABOUT A 60 MINUTE COMMUTE. THOSE OTHERS ARE 20 TO 35 MINUTES. SO IT'S LIKELY THAT THEY'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH, IS MY GUESS. UM, SO [00:25:01] THAT IS A, THAT IS A GOOD TARGET MARKET. UM, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT MIGHT BE FURTHER ON IN THEIR CAREER DON'T HAVE KIDS. THEY, THEY ARE DECISION MAKERS. THEY COULD INFLUENCE POLICY WITHIN THE COMPANY ITSELF. UM, AND I KIND OF SETS A TREMEND. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. SO IN TERMS OF YOUR MARKET AGE AND KIND OF WHERE FORECASTS ARE FOR YOUR POPULATION GROWTH AND LOOKING AT HOW THAT TRANSLATES INTO HOUSEHOLD INCOME GROWTH, UM, THAT'S ABOUT 9% OF THAT GROWTH OVER SAY, A 15 YEAR PERIOD. UM, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT HUGE NUMBERS. IT'S VERY ATTAINABLE. UM, THAT'S A COUPLE ONE TO THREE DEVELOPMENTS. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT A LOT. SO YOU CAN MAKE A PRETTY BIG IMPACT, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKE GIANT MARKET DECISIONS TO, TO SWAY THINGS. SO IN TERMS OF YOUR CURRENT PLANNING, WE READ THROUGH YOUR COMP PLAN, GREAT WORK THAT'S GOING ON IN THERE. UM, THE PLANNING ZONES THAT THEY DEVELOPED, THAT'S GOOD. AND THE APPROACH THAT'S BEING TAKEN, WE CERTAINLY SALUTE. UM, WE THINK IT'S A GOOD SOUND PLANNING FRAMEWORK AND WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECTRUM OF CHANGE, UM, AND LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER URBAN INNOVATION. UM, IT'S IDENTIFIED AREAS WHERE THERE CAN BE REINVESTMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. UM, ESPECIALLY WITH WHERE THE ECONOMY'S AT, ESPECIALLY WITH WHERE, UM, JUST HOW WE WANT TO LIVE IS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. PARTICULARLY THE, SAY THE NON-FAMILY MARKETPLACE AND JUST THE SIZE OF THE TOWN AND THE GEOGRAPHY OF HOW IT'S SITUATED. SO THAT'S POSITIVE. WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THOUGH IS THE LAND ECONOMICS. SO THE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU GO FURTHER DOWN THE FUNNEL IN THAT PROCESS, UM, THAT THE TYPE OF HOUSING REFLECTS THE REALITY OF THE MARKETPLACE FOR THE LAND THAT'S BEING REDEVELOPED. IF YOU SAY, WE WANT TO COME IN AND MEET, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA. WE WANT TO DO SOME TOWN HOMES AND WE CAN REDEVELOP SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, UM, EXTENDED STAY FACILITY OR WHATEVER IT'S MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY VALUE. SO YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND PAY THE RATE ON THAT, OR THERE'S GONNA BE A REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE TO MAKE THAT REDEVELOPMENT WORK. IT'S BASIC BOTTOM LINE . SO IF WE TALK ABOUT FOR SALE HOUSING TYPES, THEN, THEN YOU START AT THE TOP HERE'S FOR SALE TOWERS. UM, YOU SEE SOME OF THOSE AROUND, UM, YOU SEE IT UP AROUND THE STAR, YOU SEE IT IN, IN THE ELL LEGACY HAVING TO WORK ON THAT. UM, YOU SEE IT DOWN IN UPTOWN. UM, AND, AND YOU ARE NOT SEEING THAT HERE, ALTHOUGH THE JOBS EXIST HERE, ALTHOUGH THE AMENITIES EXIST HERE. AND I THINK IF YOU, AND THAT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF WELLBEING FROM MARKETPLACE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARABLE SETTING, AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT EXISTS IN ADDISON RIGHT NOW, AVENTURA IN ADDISON CIRCLE, IT'S A CONDO BUILDING AS YOU KNOW. UM, AND YOU COMPARE THAT TO, AND EVEN THE BONAVENTURE, WHICH IS AN OLDER PROJECT, BUT IT'S IN DALLAS ACROSS THE HALLWAY, YOU COMPARE THAT TO OTHER COMPARABLES, UM, IN THE REGION, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ABOUT 50% BELOW IN VALUE. SO THE MARKET'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW. SOME WOULD SAY, WE'RE GONNA COME IN, WE'RE GONNA DO A, WE KNOW 22 STORY HIGHRISE, YOU KNOW, 200 UNIT CONDO DEAL, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE SELLING IT, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO EIGHT MONTHS BECAUSE THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE DOING COMPARABLES, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SHOW A COMPARABLE AND A LENDER'S GONNA SIGN ON. SO YOU'D HAVE TO DRAW FROM ELSEWHERE AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. UM, SOMETIMES THIS COMES UP, IT SAYS, WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH DENSITY, WE CAN WORK WITH THE ZONING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, OUR ZONING BEING KEPT OUT AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT IF WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THE NOISE COMFORT ZONE FROM THE AIRPORT. UM, SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXTRA 20% OR SOMETHING, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET ALL THAT DENSITY SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK. THE PROBLEM IS, IT JUST MAKES THE PROBLEM BIGGER. SO IT JUST INCREASES THE GAP. SO THE ZONING ISN'T A, A SOLUTION HERE, IT'S, IT'S CREATING COMPARABLES IN THE FOR SALE MARKETPLACE. IT CAN BE POINTED TO FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, THIS, UM, THAT IT'S WORTH STATING. UM, SOMETIMES THERE'S A KIND OF A COOL EGO PLAY. THEY'RE USING THE WORD FOR POUND TOWERS, UH, BECAUSE THEY LOOK GREAT. UM, BUT THE REALITY IS, YOU KNOW, THE SAME DENSITY CAN BE APPLIED ON THE SAME SITE FOR TOWN HOMES OR EVEN MIXED DENSITY, ALL KIND OF A MID RIGHT ZONE. UM, SO DENSITY'S A FUNNY THING IN THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT WHAT THAT SAYS TO US IS THAT THERE IS A WHOLE MISSING ZONE OF HOUSING IN THE INDUSTRY. THEY CALL IT THE MISSING MIDDLE, BUT IT'S NOT SINGLE FAMILY OR ATTACHED PLEX. IT'S NOT HIGH RISE TOWERS, EVEN LIKE PODIUM, CONDOS. IT'S THE STUFF THAT'S IN BETWEEN. SO YES, IT'S THREE STORY TOWN HOMES. IT'S ALSO ROW HOUSE. IT'S AT THAT BACKYARD. IT'S ALSO SMALL CONDO BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE EIGHT [00:30:01] TO 10 UNITS WITH OPEN SPACE. UM, IT'S ALSO COURTYARD HOMES. YOU SEE A LOT OF THIS IN CALIFORNIA. WE DON'T SEE IT HERE. THEY'RE VITAL IN OTHER MARKETS. UM, BUT THE, THE DEVELOPER MARKETPLACE HERE, UM, CERTAINLY MY PERSPECTIVE OF IT IS THAT THERE'S THE HERB AND THERE ARE CERTAIN PRODUCT TYPES THAT THE HERD DOES AND THEY FOLLOW EACH OTHER. SO IF SOMEONE COMES IN OUT OF THE CIRCLE, WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WAS EVER DONE, FIRST TIME THAT WAS EVER DONE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT? EVERYONE FOLLOWED UP IN THE CIRCLE AND STARTED BUILDING THAT ALL THE COUNTRY. SO THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE. SO YOU NEED A GOOD DEVELOPER PARTNER THAT'S WILLING TO LOOK AT OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING AND SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WORKING IN CHICAGO, THIS IS WORKING IN LOS ANGELES, THIS IS WORKING IN VIRGINIA. WE'RE ALL AMERICANS. WHY WOULDN'T IT WORK HERE? AND THEY'D SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN DONE HERE. AND SAY, OKAY, THAT'S EXACTLY THE DISCUSSION THAT Y ALL WENT THROUGH AT ADDISON CIRCLE, AT THE AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE DONE. SO YOU'RE LEADING THE PACK AGAIN, BUT I PERSONALLY LEAST YOU HAVE A GREAT ENVIRONMENT FOR IT. DO, DO PATIO HO PATIO HOMES COME IN IN ANY OF THESE MIDDLE HERE? YEAH, I I I DON'T HEAR ANY TALK OF PATIO HOMES. YEAH. IS THAT, HEAR TOWNHOUSES, CONDOS, ZERO LOT LINES, ZERO LOT LINES. IS THAT, WHAT IS THE TERM WE USE FOR THOSE NOW? PATIO OWNS ZERO. OKAY. I I HEAR NO TALK OF THAT. SO IS IS THAT NOT AN OPTION FOR IT? IT, IT IS AN OPTION, BUT IT'S NOT ACHIEVING THE GOAL OF MOVING THE NEEDLE AND OWN OWNERSHIP. THE DENSITY JUST ISN'T THAT GREAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT JUST TO THROW THAT IN IF YOU DON'T WANT A COMMON WALL, WHICH WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD JUST CALL SOMETHING DIFFERENT NOWADAYS. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHERE I STARTED OUT WITH A COMMENT ABOUT PERCENTAGES. PERCENTAGES ARE DANGEROUS TO LOOK AT, RIGHT? TO ME, IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT'S THE GOAL? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? WE WANT TO HAVE, WE WANT TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE ON THE STREET THAT OWN THEIR HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY. OKAY, WELL IF WE COME IN WITH ACRE LOTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE PEOPLE AND THEN YOU'RE DONE. YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . SO IF SOME OF THE MISSING MIDDLE IN HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MANY MORE THAN THAT WHEN YOU FINISH THE DEVELOPMENT STUFF. SO THIS ACTUALLY GETS TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING A SECOND AGO, THAT THE, THE DUPLEX, UM, TRIFLEX, YOU CAN SEE THE ZERO LOT LINE UP THERE. EVERYTHING THAT'S CIRCLED IN RED, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL HOUSING TYPES THAT COULD MEET THAT 28% WHEN COMBINED TOGETHER. UM, AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE CONVERTING SOME OF YOUR COMMERCIAL ONLINE INDUSTRIAL, UM, INTO RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S STATS THAT GO WITH THOSE. OKAY. SO IF WE JUST GO BACK TO THE LAND ECONOMICS CONCEPT FOR A SECOND. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOK, SOME OF THIS YOU HAVE IN THE TOWN. SO JUST LOOKING AT WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE AROUND 15 UNITS THE ACRE ARE ABLE TO PAY THE FREIGHT, UM, FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY VALUE. SO JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS TOWN HOME DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE THE EXACT KIND OF STUFF THAT, AS IN WOODFIELD FOR INSTANCE, , THERE'S OTHER MODELS, BUT IT DOES PAY MORE THAN ZERO LAW LINE PAYS, FOR INSTANCE. IT PAYS MORE, UM, EVEN THAN YOUR CONDO BUILDINGS HAVE PAID. SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO TAKE NOTE THAT THERE IS VALUE IN THAT MIDDLE INCIDENT THAT THAT CAN WORK ECONOMICALLY. SO THE OTHER THING THAT'S GOOD ABOUT THAT MIDDLE DENSITY, UM, IS THAT THERE'S LOWER RISK THAN TOWER. YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A CREDIBLE CONVERSATION WITH A DEVELOPER, AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A TOWER WHERE YOU PROBABLY TURN OFF THAT WAY. YOU CAN HAVE A CREDIBLE CONVERSATION, SAYS, LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW THE ECONOMICS WORK, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT A VISION FOR RENOVATING THE TOWN IN CERTAIN AREAS AND CREATING . IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD REALLY BE FOCUSED ON NOT, UM, NOT HAVING TO BE A COMMODITIZED SITUATION WHERE IT'S A SUBDIVISION. THE SAME THING TO BLEND OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING THAT COME, OTHER GREAT HIERARCHY AND GOOD EXPERIENCE, AND THINGS THAT SOME OF 'EM, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS FURTHER ALONG IN THEIR INCOME ARE LOOKING FOR, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SINCE THE SECURITY SENSE OF PLACE, UM, GREAT AMENITIES THAT YOU TIE INTO, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE RIGHT NOW IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE TOWN. UM, IT IS KEEPING THAT BALL GOING, UM, AND, AND BEING REALLY DESIGNED, FOCUSED ON, ON HOW THAT'S DELIVERED. THIS IS NOT DELIVERED THROUGH A SUBDIVISION BOARD. I UNDERSTAND. SO IF YOU LOOK AT SOME IMAGES OF WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE, UM, KNOW SOME OF THESE ARE PROJECTS I HAVEN'T WORKED ON, BUT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, WE JUST CALL THAT THE BACK PAGE. BUT NO, THAT'S NOT A, IT'S, IT LOOKS HIGHRISE AND IT'S, IT IS 14 LEVELS. AND THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY THE, THE STRETCH, UM, OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK BECAUSE IT'S [00:35:01] UNDERNEATH THE MORE EXPENSIVE HIGHRISE BUILDING CODES PACKAGE THAT, THAT COMES WITH, UH, WHAT WAS DONE IN AVENTURA ROBERT SHAW, UM, THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT, IT WAS BELOW THE 75 FOOT LEVEL. BUT I THINK TODAY IT'S HARD TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE'S STILL COSTS THERE DEVELOPERS THAT, THAT, AND WE DON'T HAVE UNITS TODAY THAT CAN JUSTIFY THE COST TO OTHER CONSTRUCTION IN THE MARKET TODAY, BUT MAKES SENSE. SO 14 STORIES IS NOT A HIGHRISE, UH, CAN, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT YEAH, WHAT, WHAT THE TERMINOLOGY IS THEN FOR MIDRISE? HIGHRISE? YES. 70 5G AND BELOW IS NOT HIGH RISE. OKAY. YOU GO ON THE FLOOR OF THE 75 FOOT. WHEN YOU GET ABOVE THAT AND YOU GET INTO HIGH RISE STUFF, THE REASON WHY THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WAS ABLE TO WORK IS BECAUSE THEY WERE TWO STORY UNITS. SO YOU HAD LESS COSTS. SO IT BASICALLY WAS REALLY TALL CEILINGS, 20 FOOT, 22 FOOT CEILINGS THAT WERE IN THERE. SO THERE WAS, SO THOSE UNITS WENT FOR A LOT BECAUSE THEY HAD GREAT NEWS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY COULD HAPPEN NOT IN THIS CYCLE, IN THE NEXT ROUND, ONCE YOU'VE SHOWN THAT FOREST HILL REALLY WORKS HERE OUTSIDE OF SINGLE FAMILY, OKAY. TOWN HOMES, ROW HOUSES, ZERO LOT LINES. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A LEASE PROJECT THAT, UH, A CANADIAN GROUP DID BACK IN THE NINETIES, UM, DOWN IN UPTOWN. THEY, IT HAS, IT'S A ZERO, UM, IT'S DECENT DENSITY. IT HAS LITTLE BACKYARD PATIOS, PLACES LIKE BALTIMORE, AND ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THE EAST COAST, YOU SEE ROW HOUSES THAT HAVE BACKYARDS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN AN ALLEY WITH A GARAGE AND NO OPEN SPACE. MM-HMM . UM, IN OTHER MARKETS, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE WEST AND A LITTLE BIT IN SOUTHEAST, UM, YOU SEE WHAT'S CALLED MANSION HOMES. THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY STACKED CON UH, STACKED CONDOS, SIX TO 12 UNIT BUILDINGS. UM, THEY'RE GREAT LITTLE INFILL. UM, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY, UH, HANDS ON. YOU SEE SOME OF THOSE IN PARK CITIES. UM, THERE'S SOME OLDER VERSIONS OF THAT, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SUCCESSFUL SINCE DAY ONE FOR THEM. AND THEN THE TOP RIGHT, THAT'S A COURTYARD, UM, HOME WHERE THEY'RE ALSO STACKED CONDOS, UH, WITH GANG PARKING IN THE REAR. UM, THAT'S COVERED. AND THERE'S A COMMON OPEN SPACE. THERE'S A SHOW IN THE NINETIES CALLED MELROSE PLACE, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. IT WAS IN THAT KIND OF A BUILDING. AND THEN THERE'S VARIANCE OF THAT. YOU, YOU CAN HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU, IT IS LIVE WORK. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN HOMES THAT WE DID IN ADDISON CIRCLE, WHERE THE GROUND, THE GROUND LEVEL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN OFFICE FOR PEOPLE. THE WAY THAT THAT WAS LAID OUT, THAT'S STILL A GOOD MODEL FOR MAYBE TWO OR 3% OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, ANY PROJECT. UM, BUT THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME PRETTY INTERESTING THINGS THAT ARE, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IN OUR REGION. UM, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS CLOSER, NOT FROM OKLAHOMA CITY. YOU WOULDN'T THINK SO, BUT, UM, THAT IS WHAT'S CALLED LIKE A BUNDLE OF FORK OR A POCKET COTTAGE COMMUNITY. AND THESE ARE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE YOU HAVE DETACHED AND ATTACHED TERMS THAT DON'T FRONT THE STREET. THEY FRONT IN A COMMON GREEN SPACE. YOU SEE THAT IMAGE ON THE RIGHT. THEY'RE VERY NICE. AND, UM, SO THEY, SO THE DEVELOPER WHO DID DECENT DENSITY ON THAT, UM, AND YOU CREATE A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD ON, UM, BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH, MUCH LIKE THAT ANYWHERE IN D FW, BUT IT'S HAPPENING IN OUR NEIGHBORING STATE, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT, IT COULD HAPPEN THERE. OKAY. SO KIND OF PUT THAT TOGETHER. UM, GOING BACK TO CURRENT INCOMES, YOU CAN SEE, AND THIS IS FOR A MOVE UP. SO THIS IS SOMEONE THAT HAS $267,000 OF EQUITY THAT CAN PUT INTO A NEW HOME AT TODAY'S RATES. UM, ASSUMING THEY'VE SOLD AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE EITHER GOING INTO AN EMPTY S CONDITION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S STILL NOT BIG PERCENTAGES OF CURRENT HOUSEHOLD INHOUSE IN THE TOWN. SO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO SHOW OURSELVES AS THE GO-TO PLACE FOR, AS BEING AN URBAN NODE, THE GO-TO CONVENIENCE ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU'RE CLOSE TO WORK AND IT IS WALKABLE. YOU HAVE GREAT RESTAURANTS, ALL THE GREAT AMENITIES THAT THE TOWN OFFERS, BUT NOW YOU ARE ALSO DELIVERING HOUSING THAT NEEDS THAT SET. THAT'S, THAT'S WISE IN, IN MY OPINION, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE AND COMPLETED BY THE EXISTING HOUSEHOLDS IN THE TOWN. IT'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL FOLKS COMING IN REALISTICALLY. SO, LAST SLIDE HERE AND, AND TALK SOME MORE. SO, UH, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, THERE ARE KIND OF THREE, UM, IDEAS THAT WERE PUT FORWARD. ONE IS, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE THIS HIGH LEVEL VISION CONCEPT, DIAL IT IN WITH THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, COME UP WITH A SPECIFIC STRATEGY FOR THE TYPES OF HOUSING THAT WE THINK WORK WELL IN THE TOWN. UM, AND THEN LOOK AT AND [00:40:01] IDENTIFY DEVELOPERS REGIONALLY, MAYBE NATIONALLY, UM, THAT DO THAT KIND OF STUFF, UM, OR COULD DO IT OR HAVE INTEREST IN DOING IT, AND THEN HAVE ONE ON, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH THEM. AND THAT'S HOW ROBERT SHAW WAS INTRODUCED TO YOUR C LITERALLY A LUNCH. UM, AND, AND DO THAT. AND YOU MIGHT HAVE 12, 15 LUNCHES AND ONE OR TWO COME OUT OF THAT AND FIGURE YOU OUT, YOU'RE OFF THE RUN. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT. SO ALONG THE WAY FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF HOUSING, UH, CERTAINLY MORE EXPENSIVE STUFF, IF THERE IS A GAP AND OR AT LEAST FOR SOME STARTER PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF TURNING THE MARKET, YOU COULD CONSIDER, UM, INDUCEMENT, UH, ECONOMIC INDUCEMENT FOR THE RIGHT KIND OF TEAM OR PROJECT TYPE THAT COME FORWARD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE YOU CHANGED THE MARKET. YOU'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. SO IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. UM, WHAT'S NOT SIMPLE IS THE STRATEGY OF EXACTLY WHAT IS THAT HOUSING, WHERE DOES IT GO? YOU HAVE A GOOD PLANNING STAFF HERE THAT CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT, BUT RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD SAY. LOVE TO DATE. ANY QUESTIONS? GO. I'VE GOT, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 13? SURE. SO WHEN I LOOK MIDWAY THROUGH THE SLIDE MM-HMM . IS YOU, THESE ARE COMPARABLES. YEP. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, UH, UPTOWN, PLANO AND ONE IN FLOWER AMOUNT MM-HMM . FOR THE MOST PART. MM-HMM . SO THE ONE THAT THE HOUSE, UM, IS THAT, IS THAT HYBRID LIKE RENT AND AND OWNERSHIP THERE, ALL THOSE DOLLAR, SINGLE FAMILY WOOD ONE, I SEE THE HOUSE, IT'S, UH, AT VICTORY. ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM. YEAH. SO THIS IS, SO AT AVENTURA THEY HAVE ONE, TWO, AND THREE, OR THEY HAVE ONE AND TWO BEDROOM, UH, CONDOMINIUM UNITS. THEY DON'T HAVE THREES. BON VENTURA HAS TWOS AND THREES. I JUST PUT IN FOR INTEREST, WHAT'S AN AVERAGE HOME? UM, I CALL IT CELESTIAL. I KNOW FORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER HERE, BUT HAD A MILLION, TWO OR THREE BEDROOMS. THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT SIMILAR SIZE WINDROWS, UM, OF, IN PLAINO TWO BEDROOM, 1,000,004, FIVE IS WHAT THOSE ARE AT TODAY. YOU COMPARE THAT TO WHERE AVEN VENTURA'S AT TODAY, THERE'S A BIG MIS MISMATCH IN, IN VALUE. SO IF, IF I'M COMING IN, I'M GONNA DEVELOP A CONDO, OR I'M GONNA BUY A CONDO, AND I SEE THAT THE PRICE TAG IS 1,000,004, FIVE, AND I LOOKED AT THE COMPS AND I SEE THAT COMPARABLES ARE SELLING IN THE TOWN TODAY AT LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT I'M BUYING IT FOR. I'M PROBABLY, I'M PROBABLY FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT IT, SO THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING IT IN. OKAY. UM, THE HOUSE, YOU SEE THAT ONE? YEP. OKAY. SO THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE, THE ONE BEDROOM WHERE IT, SO WHAT IS, IS THAT A RENTAL RATE OR WHAT IS THAT? UH, IS IT 660,000 OR IS THAT SIX? THAT SHOULD BE 6.6 MILLION. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO, OKAY, SO, ALRIGHT, SO SCRATCH THAT. SO ON THE BOTTOM IT SAYS, CURRENT MARKET RATES ARE AT LEAST 50% BELOW WHAT IS NEEDED, UH, TO ADVANCE HIGH RISE CONSTRUCTION. AND SO IF WE LOOK AT THOSE OTHER ONES OTHER THAN THE, THE HOUSE FOR ONE OR TWO STORIES. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ON THE OWNERSHIP SIDE, THESE AMOUNTS DON'T SUPPORT, THEY DON'T SUPPORT 50% OF THE HIGH RISE. WHAT, WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT IT'S THE EXAMPLE I SAID BEFORE RIGHT HERE ON THE MARKET, WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW THAT'S COMING MID TO HIGHRISE, THE VALUES OF THOSE UNITS ARE LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT THEY ARE IN UPTOWN OR OF IN LEGACY. LESS THAN HALF. OKAY. SO WE, YOU, YOU ARE SAYING THAT AVENTURA, OKAY, I GOT YOU. BONAVENTURE IS WHAT WE WOULD MAYBE REALIZE ALSO, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT ADDISON, BUT IT'S CLOSE BY, RIGHT? SO IF YOU, DOES THAT MEAN THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD BE DONE, COULD NOT BE DONE HERE OR COULD BE DONE HERE? IT IS, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT. BUT THE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW ON THE OUTSET WOULD MEAN THAT EITHER THERE WOULD BE A, PROBABLY A PRETTY BIG INDUCEMENT REQUEST THAT WOULD COME IN, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TODAY, IN MY OPINION. UM, AND WHAT THIS REALLY SAYS TO ME IS IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS MADE NO SENSE. LIKE, AND THEY'RE SELLING, OKAY, WHAT'S HAPPENED BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? WELL, THERE'S BEEN INVESTMENT, THERE'S BEEN, THEY'VE CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT THAT SOMEONE WANTED TO LIVE IN AND WERE WILLING TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY EVEN THOUGH THERE WEREN'T COMPARABLES UP THERE THAT SUPPORTED IT. SO I THINK ADDISON HAS ALL THE AMENITIES THAT ARE NEEDED. I MEAN, IT'S GOT RESTAURANTS GOT ALL THAT COOL STUFF, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT DOESN'T HAVE HOUSING DOOR SALE HOUSING OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE AT VERY LITTLE DENSITY RIGHT NOW THAT'S NEWER, UM, THAT'S BEYOND THE THREE STORY TOWNHOUSE. [00:45:01] SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IF YOU START, START THE BALL ROLLING SOME OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY, SMALLER CONDO BUILDINGS, THAT KIND OF A THING, YOU START TO BUILD THE MARKET, THESE NUMBERS THEN GET HIGHER BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T BUILD THIS AT THOSE NUMBERS TODAY. THESE NUMBERS TODAY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OVER A MILLION. YOU COULDN'T BUILD IT TODAY. THE REPLACEMENT COST IS HIGHER THAN THAT. AND AVENTURE IS WHAT ABOUT SEVEN STORIES? EIGHT STORIES. EIGHT STORIES, OKAY. YEAH. AND THESE OTHER ONES BELOW THE SPREAD MARKET, THESE ARE LIKE FOUR STORIES. YEAH. THAT'S, I I JUST DON'T, IN MY MIND, I DON'T SEE THOSE AS COMPARABLES AND, AND MAYBE WE JUST DON'T HAVE REAL COMPARABLES. YEAH. REALISTICALLY. BUT I'M, I'M THINKING IF WE, IF WE FOUND THE RIGHT LOTS, LOTS OF LAND, UM, I DON'T THINK OUR COMPARABLES WOULD BE TOO FAR OFF SOME THESE THAT'S, I PUT THE SINGLE FAMILY IN TO SEE, WELL, WHAT, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE? UM, AND YOU LOOK AT SAY 1,000,002 FOR AN AVERAGE THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, AT LEAST FROM ALL LOOKING AT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BELOW WHAT, SO YOU NEED TO BUILD A BIGGER STABLE OF HIGHER VALUE FOR SALE HOMES. SO THAT IF, IF THE REAL GOAL AT THE END OF THE DAY IS FOR INSTANCE, INSPECT TO HAVE SOME POWER, THAT KIND OF A THING, THAT'S THE END GOAL DESIRE. WE'RE PROBABLY TWO PHASES AWAY FROM THAT. WE START RIGHT NOW TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE IN THAT DIFFERENT KIND OF HOUSING PRODUCT THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON THE GROUND TODAY. WE GET THAT GOING. WE DO SOME OTHER STUFF FROM A GOOD PLANNING STANDPOINT. THERE'S CONNECTIVITY AND YOU CAN GET TO THE RESTAURANTS EASILY. YOU HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR FITNESS CENTER, ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SOLD TO A DEVELOPER TO TAKE ON THAT RISK TODAY. IT'S JUST GONNA BE TOO BIG OF A RISK THAT ARE, THAT THEY, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN ASK FOR AN INCENTIVE PACKAGE 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE A GIANT NUMBER. IT WOULDN'T COME IN MY OPINION. OKAY. BUT I, I GUESS LIKE, I HAD A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE, ADDISON CHECKS ALL THE BOXES, RIGHT? YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THAT. AND WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER, YOU KNOW, THE EMPHASIS ON CONNECTIVITY, UM, MORE PARK SPACE, EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU IDENTIFIED AS SOMEONE, UM, YOU ALSO SAID, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL SHOULD BE ATTRACT HIGHER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . WHICH I THINK MAKES SENSE FOR A LOT OF REASONS. IF YOU TAKE A STEP BACK AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MARKET, RIGHT? I THINK THERE WAS A TIME WHEN NO ONE WANTED TO LIVE SOUTH, RIGHT? MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND THEN SUDDENLY PEOPLE SAID, HOLD ON A MINUTE. LIKE, WE, WE CAN REDEVELOP DOWNTOWN AND WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK AND PEOPLE CAN LIVE WHERE THEY WORK. AND THEN I FEEL LIKE ADDISON WAS FORGOTTEN FOR A WHILE AND EVERYONE DEVELOPED UP NORTH. AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT BUILDING SOME OF THOSE THINGS, LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S THAT TOWER THAT WENT UP LIKE BY THE STAR AND THE TOWER THAT WENT UP, UM, BY LEGACY WEST. I THOUGHT, WELL WHO'S GOING TO LIVE OUT THERE? BUT IT WORKED. MM-HMM . SO AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY, HEY, PEOPLE ARE GONNA RECOGNIZE ADDISON BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE'VE GOT IS OUR LOCATION AND THEN THE INVESTMENTS WE'RE MAKING. THAT'S WHY I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, WE PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE ROOM FOR MAYBE SOME SORT OF CLASS WE DON'T ASSET CLASS WE DON'T HAVE MM-HMM . AND THEN MAKE THE JUMP TO MAYBE A HIGHRISE. THE THE REASON IS IT JUST COMES DOWN TO THE COST OF THE HIGHRISE AND THE RISK THAT COMES WITH THAT TO DO THE SMALLER, THE SMALLER SCALE BUILDINGS IS MUCH LESS COSTLY TO EXECUTE, THEREFORE THERE'S MUCH LESS RISK. SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO TAKE A RISK ON THE SIX TO 800 BUILDING VERSUS A 98 UNIT BUILDING. IT'S A $200 MILLION PROJECT VERSUS AN $8 MILLION PROJECT. SO YOU'RE GONNA FIND MORE TAKERS TO MAYBE EXPLORE THAT WITH YOU. BECAUSE I THINK WHEN SOMEONE SAYS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF HOUSING IN TOWN, I THINK PEOPLE SAY, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. RESTAURANTS HAVE ALL THE CONVENIENCES. THAT'S A GOOD THING. THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE TOWN OR ANYWHERE NEARBY RIGHT NOW IS A RISK ON THE CAPITAL FRONT. SO IF YOU'RE TALKING IN ADDITION TO THAT, A A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT, THAT'S WHEN IT'S DIFFICULT TO CLOSE THAT DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF RISK THAT THEY'RE TAKING TO, TO EXECUTE ON THAT. AND THEN IF I'M A BUILDER AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE MY NEXT PROJECT IS, IF IT'S BETWEEN FRISCO WHERE ALL THE, ALL THE UTILITIES ARE ALREADY AT THE CURB AND I JUST GOTTA START MOVING DIRT OR ADDISON OR I MIGHT NEED TO KNOCK DOWN AN EXTENDED SAY, HOTEL THAT'S OUTLIVE ITS LIFE, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S ADDED COSTS TO HAVING TO REDEVELOP AND WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR US AS FAR AS TRYING TO TRACK THOSE, DEVELOP THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT? WELL I THINK THE, THE FIRST PIECE IS JUST ON THE, THAT LAND ECONOMIC SLIDE. UM, AND I DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT, ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES SPECIFICALLY, BUT I DID LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. IT JUST COMES DOWN TO THAT NUMBER. LET'S SAY THAT'S 40 BUCKS. [00:50:01] UM, THERE, THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE COST FOR DEMOLITION. IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER. I MEAN IT'S OKAY, IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER. IT MIGHT BE A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MAX, UM, TO TAKE THAT DOWN AND SCRAPE THE SITE. THE FACT THAT THAT'S THERE, IT ALREADY HAS SANITARY FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE THERE OR OUR HAS WATER. THAT'S GOOD. SO TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO WHAT'S HAPPENING UP IN FRISCO OR THESE DAYS, WHERE IT'S JUST A GREEN FIELD AND THEY'RE HAVING TO DELIVER ALL THOSE UTILITIES MM-HMM . THERE PROBABLY IS A WASH ON. OH, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. YEAH. OKAY. AND THIS IS THIS, THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION. WHERE ARE WE IN THE CYCLE, SO TO SPEAK? UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INTEREST RATES COMING DOWN AND THE SPIGOT OPENING BECAUSE THERE'S SOME, A LOT OF PENT UP DEMAND. IS THAT THE WAY YOU SEE IT? SHOULD WE TRY TO BE PREPARED FOR, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH MORE DEMAND FOR SOME SORT OF HOUSING AND UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, DO THINGS LIKE THIS, IDENTIFY PROPERTIES TODAY THAT MIGHT BE SHOVEL READY IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR? IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO DO THAT. I, I SUSPECT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND IT'S, IT IS PRETTY REMARKABLE WITH WHERE THINGS ARE. IT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER IF YOU'RE HOMEOWNER, UM, WITH RATES COMING DOWN. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO COMING UP WITH A LOT OF MONEY AND EQUITY TO GET A HOUSE. JUST WHERE, WHERE THE, THE, THE LOAN VALUE RATIO, THE BANKS ARE HAVING A . UM, SO YOU COMPARE THAT WITH WHERE, UM, WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNATION AND GROWTH, THE BROADER MARKET FOR, FOR SALE HOUSING IS TOUGH. AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S CHANGING THAT RIGHT NOW. THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES DOWN ARE JOBS. SO UNTIL WE SEE REAL JOB GROWTH AND, AND WAGE GROWTH, UM, FOR THE, I WOULD SAY THE FIRST TIME AND MAYBE SECOND TIME HOME HOMEOWNER, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE DIFFICULT FOR A WHILE. IF YOU'RE SOMEWHERE WHERE THAT'S, THAT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE, YOU'VE MADE MONEY, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD SAVINGS, ET CETERA, THEN THAT'S ALL ABOUT LIFESTYLE AND THAT MARKET'S ALWAYS THERE. IT'S THERE TODAY. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT QUESTION. ARE THERE PEOPLE TODAY THAT JUST ARE HAPPY RENTING AND THE AMENITIES AND I LOCK THE DOOR, I BELIEVE AND A HUNDRED PERCENT REMEMBER BY CHOICE. THAT'S A BIG MARKET. YEAH. SO I SUSPECT WHEN RATES COME DOWN NEXT YEAR, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ACTIVITY AGAIN. I SUSPECT THERE'S GONNA BE ACTIVITY FOR APARTMENTS. I SUSPECT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE REQUESTS BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A ROBUST MARKET OF APARTMENTS WITH A LOT OF GOOD COMPARABLES. UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING IS YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB BUILDING ALL THAT. YOU, YOU'VE CREATED GREAT PLACEMAKING IN THOSE ENVIRONMENTS AND NOW IT'S TIME TO PICK UP THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF FOR SALE LETTER. THE ONLY I WOULD SAY, UM, IS THAT THE AREAS, AND I, I LOVE ADDISON TO TALK ABOUT ADDISON ALL THE TIME. AND I HAVE FANTASTIC MEMORIES IN MY CAREER THAT COMING INTO STRUCTURE. I REALLY LIKE THE TOWN. THERE'S, THERE ARE GREAT PLACES WHERE THE PLACE IS PHENOMENAL. IT'S WALKABLE, IT'S PRETTY, THE TREES AND LANDSCAPING DESIGN A LOT OF THOSE PLACES. AND THAT'S WHAT, WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ADDISON, THAT'S WHAT COMES TO MIND. BUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY DRIVE THE STREETS, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE THAT'S NOT THE CASE. AND SO THAT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND MAKE THEM REALLY NICE TO YOU. YEAH, IT'S A GREAT POINT. PLACE RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT. I AGREE. SO I PERSONALLY THINK SOME OF YOUR COMMERCIAL STUFF IS DRAGGING YOU DOWN RIGHT NOW. SO IF I WERE LOOKING AT INVESTING AND I WAS GONNA SPEND SIX, $8 MILLION IN A UNIT AND A CONDO TOWER IN THE SECOND PHASE DOWN THE LINE FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS AND IT'S SUPER COOL IN THERE. UM, WHEN I'M DRIVING AROUND CHECKING STUFF OUT, THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA LOOK AT IS RIGHT, WHAT AM I PUTTING MY INVESTMENT IN? IS IT A SAFE INVESTMENT? THE TOWN OF ADDISON IS A SAFE INVESTMENT, BUT IT'S SAFE. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU'RE PROACTIVE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE RENOVATING AND YOU'RE GONNA BE MAKING STUFF BETTER, RIGHT? IF IF THE SAME, WE HAVE THE SAME VISUAL ENVIRONMENT IN SOME POCKETS IN PICK A CITY AND I WOULD SAY, WELL I DON'T, I WOULDN'T PULL THIS ONE OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER HERE. THAT'S WHAT THE BEAUTY OF ADDISON IS JUST FOR SCALE. IT IS. YOU CAN SO US IN ON YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAKING OUT, WHICH IS GREAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. GO BACK TO 13. SURE. I MEAN, I GUESS THESE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT, BUT ON THE RENTAL SIDE, LIKE 81 11 DOUGLAS MM-HMM . IS THAT $10,450 A MONTH FOR TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT AND 21,000 A MONTH. DER IT'S CURRENT ON THE MARKET TODAY. AND, AND THEN YOUR MARLON WAS ASKING ABOUT THE HOUSE, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND. 6.6 I I CAN. IT'S THAT 660,000, WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. IT'S NOT 6.6 MILLION. CORRECT. YOU SAY THAT, SORRY, [00:55:01] 660,000 AND THEN SEVEN 60,000 FOR A TWO BEDROOM. CORRECT. AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THREE BEDROOM, IT JUMPS TO 2.4 MILLION. YEAH, IT'S BIGGER SPACE. OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, YOU'VE GOT URA HERE, THERE ARE SOME PLACES ALONG FORM LIKE DISTRICT A IS ONE THAT IS MINE. I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT. ARE THEY COMPARABLE PRICE TO A VENTURA OR DID YOU JUST PICK URA? I I PICKED A VENTURA. UM, I DIDN'T, I I COULD LOOK AT THAT. I DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT SPECIFICALLY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HIGHER OR LESSER. I, I DON'T DUNNO IF WE'RE FILLING ANY GAP IN ALL. SO YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING POINT AND, AND IT TIES INTO SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MENTION AS WELL ON THE FOUR LEE SIDE. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY WE PUT THIS CALL. AND SOMETIMES YOU SEE, UH, YOU'LL SEE A FOUR LEASE TOWER THAT COMES IN AND IT IS CONVERTED INTO FOR SALE AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GET FINANCING TO GET IT DONE. AND THEN IT'S SOLD AT SOME POINT BY A CON, A CONVERSION DEVELOPER ESSENTIALLY. THEN THEY CONVERT IT. YOU SEE THAT SOMETIMES. BUT WHAT IS AMAZING IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SPEND IN RENT IF THEY HAVE THE RIGHT SETUP. IT'S SHOCKING TO ME THAT PEOPLE SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY. WHY WOULD YOU DO IT? AND THE ANSWER IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT IN NEW YORK, THEY'RE DOING IT IN DC THEY'RE DOING IT IN LA, THEY'RE MOVING HERE. IT'S JUST, IT'S PART OF HOW THEY, WHAT THEIR LIFESTYLE IS. SO NOW THEY'RE, WELL, I WOULD NEVER DO THAT, BUT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CON THE CONTEXT OF THE DATA AND LEGACY OR THE STAR, YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE STREET LEVEL AND WHAT'S GOING ON. IT'S ALL NEW. IT'S BRIGHT AND SHINY. THERE'S A LOT OF AMENITIES. IT TIES INTO, YOU KNOW, RETAIL AND HOUSING AND OTHER SERVICES. AND EVEN THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE PRETTY REMARKABLE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, OFFICE FOR INSTANCE, THE OFFICE IS BRAND NEW AS WELL. SO THERE'S A GREAT PROJECT CALLED THESE, THE DESIGN DISTRICT. IT'S, UM, ON FIVE ONE PARK, UH, TRAVEL CROW, AND SOMEONE ELSE DID IT, BUT THERE WAS A COMBINATION OF AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THE HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. IT BLOW YOUR MIND. YOU GO WALK AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR FITNESS CENTER. THE OTHER STUFF, IT'S, IT'S OFF THE CHARTS. SO, SO I THINK WHEN YOU TAKE IT BACK TO ADDISON, YOU SAY THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE OUR COMPETITION IS, IS DELIVERING THAT LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND HOW YOU TIE INTO YOUR WORKPLACES THAT ARE THERE TODAY. OUR OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT THE NINETIES, BUT PRETTY MUCH IN THE EIGHTIES. SO, SO WHEN THE TIME COMES, WHEN THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT CAN OCCUR, THERE'S MORE WORK ON THE OFFICE PROPERTIES THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS WELL. REALISTICALLY. HEY, P THAT WHY WE'RE ON THIS SLIDE. I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING. YOU'RE SAYING HERE ON THE TAKEAWAYS, UHHUH, WHEN YOU SAY CURRENT MARKET RATES ARE AT LEAST 50% BELOW. YES. ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AVENTURA AND BONVAN? ARE YOU ALSO INCLUDING THE GREATER MARKET TOWER? THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMPARABLE THAN IN PLANO? NO, I'M COMPARING THIS TO THAT. OKAY. SO WHAT'S HERE? AND I CAN LOOK AT SOME OTHER EXAMPLES. I'M WITH YOU, I'M WITH YOU. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING. SO, SO THESE ONES IN FLOWER MOUNT AND PLANO, UM, YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, UH, OH, THEY ARE ONE THIRD PROFITABLE? UH, WELL, SO THIS IS JUST, THIS IS REALLY FOR THE VIEWPOINT OF REQUIREMENT, OKAY? FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF A DEVELOPER, THERE'S A PERFORMER THAT NEEDS BE PUT TOGETHER. THERE'S A WHOLE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT WHERE THAT WOULD BE. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. UM, BUT JUST AT HIGH LEVEL, IF, IF SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE IS LOOKING FOR A TWO BEDROOM RESIDENCE AND THEY'RE GONNA SPEND 1,000,004, AND THEY LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S IN THE MARKET, AND THE SAME UNIT SIZING IS SELLING FOR LESS THAN HALF OF THAT, THEY'RE GONNA PAUSE, IS MY GUESS. SO THE DEVELOPER ON THE OTHER END IS GONNA SAY, WELL, I KNOW THAT I NEED 1,000,004 WITH TODAY'S COST TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK AND MAKE A 20% PROFIT, OR WHATEVER IT IS. UM, SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, CAN I GET BUYERS TO COME? WILL THEY SHOW UP? WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO DO THAT? WELL, I CAN SAY I'M IN ADDISON, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY. UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS? LET'S SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COMES UP IN HERE WITH THAT SAME BUYER, WANT TO MOVE, WANT TO GO OVER THERE, OR TO ONE OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN NEARBY THAT IT'S A, AT A LOWER RATE. SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE COMPETITION? I'M JUST RAISING IT TO SAY THERE IS AN IMBALANCE RIGHT NOW. WHAT'S ALMOND GROUND VERSUS WHAT YOU SEE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GETTING SOME OF THIS DONE? SO IT'S, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD SLIDE TO ALSO KIND OF FRAME THE WHOLE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE. BECAUSE IN, I'M GONNA GO IN BROAD STROKES HERE, SO JUMP IN WITH ANYTHING ELSE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE. NOW, ROUGHLY, [01:00:01] WE CAN GET DOWN INTO THE PRECISE, BUT ROUGHLY THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. ROUGHLY. HERE'S WHAT'S OUT THERE. SO HOW, IF THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO GO, IF WE'RE SAYING WE WANT MORE OWNERSHIP HOUSING IN THIS TOWN, AS WE LOOK AT ANY NEW HOUSING THAT WE HAVE, DO WE GO TO THAT LAST SLIDE AND WE DID, WE SAY WE WANT TO BE AGGRESSIVE TO GET THERE. WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE ON THAT SLIDE AND SAY, HERE'S EVERYTHING WE CAN DO AS A TOWN TO GET THERE. IS THAT MIXED IN WITH A PHASED APPROACH WHERE WE LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE MIDDLE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT WERE LAID OUT? IS THAT PART OF THAT STRATEGY TO TRY TO GET THESE, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT? AND HOW, HOW, WHAT DIRECTION DO WE WANT TO HAVE AS A STAFF AS WE GO OUT THERE OUTTA TOWN AND TRY TO GET, IS THAT OUR GOAL? IT'S OUR GOAL TO GET THERE, AND THEN WE COME UP WITH A PATH TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S HOW I'M FRAMING IT. I THINK THIS SLIDE OF WHAT THE TAKEAWAYS CAN BE FOR US AS THE TOWN. I, I THINK FOR, FOR ME, ONE OF MY TAKEAWAYS IS WE, WE JUST HAVE TO ASK. I I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING OUT THERE TO SOMEONE LIKE, LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, TRAMELL CROW IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT, A VERY UNIQUE PRODUCT. UM, I MEAN, I THINK WE REACH OUT TO THOSE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE BUILDING A REALLY UNIQUE PRODUCT THAT WE THINK WOULD FIT HERE, AND WE JUST, HEY, HERE'S SIX DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR EITHER REDEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? BECAUSE I, I, I THINK WE'RE AT THE PLACE THE POINT WHERE NO ONE'S GONNA LAUGH AND SAY, OH, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE ENTERTAINMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE CONNECTIVITY, YOU DON'T HAVE PARKS. I THINK WE'VE GOT, WE CAN CHECK ALL THE BOXES AND I THINK NOW MIGHT GOING OUT AND, AND ASKING THE RIGHT PEOPLE DEPENDING ON THE PARCEL. RIGHT. I, I AGREE WITH ALL OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I GET SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE START. ABSOLUTELY. I'M SORRY. NO, NO. I APOLOGIZE. ANYONE ELSE? I DIDN'T WANT, I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT. CAN WE START ON SLIDE SEVEN PLEASE? OF COURSE. AND THIS SLIDE, UH, KIND OF SHOCKED ME A LITTLE BIT WITH OUR MEDIAN INCOME. YES. UH, AT, UH, $82,000 BASICALLY. AND I THINK THAT IS A DIRECT REFLECTION ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE YEARS OF APARTMENTS AND RENTERS. MM-HMM . DO WE HAVE A NUMBER AND THE, THE NUMBER THAT, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SINCE I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMPARISON BETWEEN OUR MEDIAN INCOME OF HOMEOWNERS COMPARED TO RENTERS. IS THAT A, IS THAT A FEASIBLE NUMBER THAT WE CAN GET? I THINK THIS NUMBER, THIS $82,000 MEDIAN INCOME IS WHAT IS PREVENTING SOME DEVELOPERS FROM COMING IN BECAUSE THEY SEE THAT AND THINK WE'RE A POOR COMMUNITY. UH, I THINK THIS IS WHAT'S HURTING US WITH OUR WHOLE FOODS, UH, IN BRINGING IN SOME OF THE MORE HIGH-END GROCERY STORES, MORE OF THE HIGH END THINGS. THEY LOOK AT OUR MEDIAN INCOME AND DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN AFFORD THAT. SO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BREAKDOWN OF HOME OWNERSHIP COMPARED TO RENTERS. SO I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IS BACK INTO IT AND YOU CAN SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE NEWEST STUFF THAT'S BEEN BUILT RECENTLY? AND YOU CAN BACK INTO WHAT THE QUALIFYING INCOME WOULD BE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE A GIANT SET OF NUMBERS, BUT, BUT BEYOND THAT, JUST LOOK AT THE MEDIAN PRICE OF THE HOME. OKAY. AT 4 66 IN THE TOWN OFFERS 8 86, SOUTHLAKE IS 1,000,002, PARK IS 2.3, AND THIS IS FOR SALE. IT'S NOT ANY, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RENTERS. SO YOU CAN HAVE A SIMILAR ARGUMENT, WHICH IS, WELL, WHAT'S THE AGE RANGE OF THOSE HOMES? THEY'RE GONNA BE OLDER A LOT OF TIMES. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF BRAND NEW STUFF HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF BRAND NEW STUFF. SO THERE IS A DEEPER DIVE THAT CAN BE TAKEN IN THAT REGARD. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE TOWN EXPERIENCE. AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF GROWTH IN, YOU KNOW, THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF THE TOWN WAS BUILT, RIGHT. AND PROSPER IS BEING BUILT TODAY, RIGHT? SO IF WE HAD, I THINK TO SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS HERE, IF WE HAD BIG LAND IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'D SEE THESE NUMBERS, RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE THOSE NUMBERS. SO WE'RE IN RENOVATION MODE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN RETAIL MODE. AND SO WHEN IT IS JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPERS, I WOULD SAY ONE OTHER, THE THING WE ARE STARTING TO SEE URBAN ENTITIES AND CONDO TOWERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, REALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG, LONG TIME. AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF 'EM ACTUALLY WORK. HISTORICALLY, ALMOST ALL OF 'EM HAVE FAILED. AND MANY OF THEM, LIKE THE ONES THAT WERE DONE IN THE NINETIES, THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY MADE MONEY WAS ON DISPOSITION. THEY DIDN'T MAKE MONEY ALONG THE WAY. SO, AND THAT'S ON THE, ON THE RENTAL SIDE OR WHEN IT GOT CONVERTED. THERE IS THE THING ABOUT THE TEXAS CULTURE, WE LIKE TO OWN THE DIRT THAT WE'RE ON, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN YOU MOVE INTO A MORE DENSE HOME OWNERSHIP ON A FOR SALE STANDPOINT, YOU DO COLLIDE WITH [01:05:01] SOME CULTURE. AND SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING HUGE NUMBERS. WE'RE NOT TALKING WELL, LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO DIVIDE IT OUT TO BE 50 50 IN FOUR LEASE. WE'RE NOT TALKING THAT, BUT STILL OVER 2000 UNITS. RIGHT. SO, WHICH LEADS YOUR COMMENTS LEADS ME TO SLIDE NUMBER 10. OKAY. WHERE WE GET UP TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WITH THE, WITH THE HIGHEST INCOME. YEAH. I THINK WHAT ALL OF THOSE HAVE IN COMMON THAT WE DON'T, IS THAT THEY'VE NOT GONE DOWN THE APARTMENT ROUTE THAT WE HAVE. AND MOST OF THESE COMMUNITIES ARE OWNERSHIP COMMUNITIES OR ARE RESIDENT COMMUNITIES, WHICH I THINK OUR HOME, IF WE WERE TO SEPARATE OUR HOME OWNERSHIP MEDIAN INCOME, WE WOULD BE MUCH MORE IN LINE WITH THESE THAN WE ARE WITH THE 82,000. YOU'D BE HIGHER THAN THAT FOR SURE. ABSOLUTELY. SO I WOULD TRULY LIKE TO SEE THAT NUMBER THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO PEOPLE. 'CAUSE I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HURTING OUR, OUR WHOLE FOODS AND ALL OF THESE HIGHER END THINGS. WE CAN'T GET 'EM TO COME IN AND WHEN THEY DO COME IN, THEY SUFFER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE DISPOSABLE INCOME FROM PEOPLE THAT, THAT WANT TO SHOP THERE. ONE POINT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON ALSO IS JUST, IS THE ISSUE OF, OF DENSITY. SO THE TOWN'S POPULATION IS VERY SMALL. SO IF YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE A WHOLE FOODS, THEY'RE DRAWING FROM A MUCH BIGGER POPULATION BASE, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR INCOMES ACROSS THE BIG POPULATION BASE. YOU HAVE THAT HERE. I I, I'M WITH YOU ON THE FOREST SALE SIDE, I WOULD ARGUE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE UP IN THAT ECHELON. RIGHT? BUT WHEN YOU EXPAND THAT OUT AND YOU START PULLING IN OTHER AREAS, IN YOUR ADJACENT COMMUNITIES, IN FARMERS RANCH AND CARROLLTON, WHATEVER IT, IT'S GONNA BE DROPPING DOWN, THEY'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THAT TOO. SOMEWHAT. A, A FEW PLACES IN HERE, WE, WE HAVE GONE TO GREAT LINKS TO LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, UH, ON SLIDE FOUR. DON'T NEED TO GO THERE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IRVINE, CALIFORNIA, SEATTLE, UH, AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHEN WE BASE EVERYTHING ELSE, WE LOOK AT OUR COMPARATOR CITIES. SO I DON'T KNOW, I UNDERSTAND TO LOOK AT OTHER PLACES TO GET IDEAS OF WHAT WE CAN BRING HERE, BUT WHEN WE START COMPARING OURSELF WITH A SEATTLE OR AN IRVINE, CALIFORNIA, THAT'S APPLES SEA ORANGES, IN MY OPINION. OKAY. UM, UH, THESE, I THINK IT'S SLIDE SIX. WHAT THE, THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE NUMBER OF RES UH, EIGHT ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING VACANT LAND. MM-HMM . WE HAVE EIGHT ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL AND 72 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL. IS THAT CLEAR DIRT RIGHT NOW? YES. IT'S VACANT PROPERTY. AND MY, MY QUESTION, OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. YEP. IS THAT, IS THAT JUST ACREAGE FROM A, A GOOGLE MAP? WE'RE DRAWING THIS OUT AND SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT? OR IS THAT ACTUALLY 72 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE LAND AND WHAT, I MEAN, THAT'S DEVELOPABLE LAND. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP UNDER A POWER LINE IF THERE'S POWER LINES RUNNING ACROSS IT. IF THERE'S THE EASEMENTS THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ON, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF DEVELOPABLE LAND? AND DOES THAT INCLUDE THE MARY KAY LIFE OF LAND THAT WILL NEVER SELL AND BE DEVELOPED? IT DOES. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, ANYTHING THAT'S PROBABLY STILL LEFT OUT THERE PROBABLY GOT SOME HAIR ON IT. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF SITES I KNOW THAT LOOKED OUT. THEY HAVE SOME ACCESS ISSUES JUST FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S MY POINT WHEN I'M ASKING ABOUT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IT LOOKS GREAT, BUT WE GOT 72 ACRES, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S 72 ACRES WE CAN ACTUALLY DEVELOP. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW A TRUE NUMBER OF DEVELOPABLE ACREAGE FOR, TO USE YOUR TERM, DOESN'T HAVE HAIR ON. THAT'S PROBABLY A GREAT TERM. OBJECTION. UH, AND THE EIGHT ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL, SAME THING. IS IT, IS IT NOT DEVELOPABLE BECAUSE OF EASEMENTS RIGHT. OF WAYS THAT TYPE THING? I, OR, OR I THINK WE'RE GETTING MORE INTO REDEVELOPMENT IN ADDISON NOW IF, IF WE, IF WE STOP LOOKING AT THIS. I AGREE. YES. OKAY. UM, PATIO HOMES, SHE ANSWERED THAT FOR ME. 15. SO YOU'RE SAYING 15 ACRES PER ACRE IS 15 UNITS PER ACRE IS A FEASIBLE, UM, IT'S AT THE BEGINNING OF FEASIBLE. MM-HMM. THE, UH, THE OUTSIDE BUYER. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE MARKETING TO ALL THESE APARTMENT RENTERS AT THIS POINT. WE, WE, WE, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THAT ARE THE SIX, SEVEN, 800,000 RANGE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND WELCOME, COME IN. NOT, NOT MEANING TO DEMISE [01:10:01] THE RENTERS THAT WE HAVE, BUT WITH OUR OWN NUMBERS. THAT'S WHAT'S PULLING OUR MEDIAN INCOME DOWN. YOU MAKE $82,000 A YEAR, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BUY A 600,000 HOME. MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IF, IF YOU HAVE A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL OR YOU KNOW, A YOUNG COUPLE THAT'S LIVING IN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE APARTMENTS RIGHT NOW AND THEY'VE GOT A GOOD JOB, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THE FUTURE, UM, HIGH INCOME COUPLE OR SINGLE, UM, THAT WOULD, BUT IS THAT, ARE THEY, IS THAT DEMOGRAPHIC FILLING EVERY SINGLE PARKING IN IT? NO, IT'S GONNA BE ALL ACROSS. WE MENTIONED THE, UH, POCKET COTTAGE, I THINK. NO, THOSE REALLY LOOK APPEAL TO ME, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. ME TOO. I LIKE, I LIKE THAT A LOT. AND, AND IT, YOU SAID IT WAS KIND OF A FACE OUT TO A GREEN AREA, CORRECT? MM-HMM . DO THEY HAVE, ARE THEY GARAGES WITH AN ALLEY BEHIND THEM MM-HMM. TYPE THING? THERE'S A, I'VE SEEN A FEW OF 'EM. UM, LET SHOW YOU MR. J WELL THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. THE TOWN HOMES THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED, UH, KIND OF HAVE THAT FEEL THAT THEY'RE LOOKING OUT ON THAT NEW PARKLAND. OH, SURE. YEAH. VERY MUCH LIKE THAT. SO CAN TELL YOU LIKE, I DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE. THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE SEPARATE GARAGES. THEY'RE ALL COVERED GARAGES. YOU KNOW, YOU OWN ONE THESE TIMES. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN GARAGE, IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO YOUR HOUSE. OKAY. YOU WALK THROUGH THE COURTYARD. THESE IN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME GARAGES BACK THERE. UM, THERE'S GARAGES BACK HERE. UM, THE SAME CONCEPT, BUT SOME OF THE HOMES HAVE CONNECTIONS. I KNOW, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE, UM, HOME BUILDERS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE EXPLORING THIS. I JUST, IN CASUAL CONVERSATION, I, I, I REALLY LIKE THAT CONCEPT. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THINKING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT, THERE'S BEEN A COMMENT MADE TONIGHT THAT TOWNHOUSES ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT DONE. AND I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. HOWEVER, I'M, I'M LEANING TOWARDS APPROVING TOWNHOUSES BECAUSE THEY'RE HOME OWNERSHIP. OKAY. UH, THEY STILL LOOK LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TO ME IN MANY CASES. UH, BUT IT IS SIMPLE FEE. SO I'M LEANING TOWARDS THAT. BUT IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING THAT IS MORE FEE SIMPLE, HOME LOOKING, I WOULD BE OFF WITH YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THIS HAS BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN GREAT ON THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SO, UM, YOU MADE A COMMENT ON APARTMENTS TO TOWN HOME CONVERSIONS OR TOWN HOME CONDO CONVERSIONS. HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? IT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. IS IT, UM, ON THE UPTICK OR IS IT, UM, NOT RIGHT NOW. I'VE HEARD IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YEAH. NOT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. KNOW CONDO'S GOING TO APARTMENT. OH, IT IS BEEN DIFFICULT TO GET A, A MORTGAGE AS A BUYER, AS AN INDIVIDUALS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. YEAH. SO, YEAH, IF YOU DON'T, IF THAT MARKET IS DOWN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING THAT. BUT IT, IT IS, IT HAPPENS OUT THERE. YEAH. AND YOU ALL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND NOW YOU ALSO HAVE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER INSTITUTIONAL OWNERSHIP. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT. AND THEY PROBABLY WOULD NEVER LET A PIECE, LIKE ONE BUILDING OF THEIR OWNERSHIP GO, UM, BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T NEED THEIR BUSINESS PLAN. BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER SITUATIONS IN THE TOWN THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT. UM, COMMENT ALSO IS, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY, UH, SEARCHING FOR OUR CURRENT RENTERS TO BE A LOT OF STEP UP. THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME OF THOSE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN. AND THAT'S WHY I, I QUESTION THE CURRENT HOUSEHOLD INCOME, WHETHER IT'S OWNERSHIP OR, OR NOT. 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE IN A, SUCH A GOOD LOCATION FOR C-SUITES, UM, PEOPLE, UH, BECAUSE OF LOCATION, PROXIMITY AND, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, PLACE LIVING. SO ON SLIDE 24, CAN YOU GO TO THAT? UM, THAT'S YOUR ACTION PLAN? YEAH. SO, UH, WHAT'S THE OUTCOME? IS THAT, UH, BASED ON, WELL, WHAT'S THE DRIVERS? IS IT, IS IT STRICTLY AS MUCH FEE SIMPLE AS WE CAN GET? NO, THE OUTCOME OF RELATIONSHIPS, UM, TO, TO FIND SOME PARTNERS THAT ARE WILLING TO GET CREATIVE WITH YOU ON HOW TO DELIVER FOR SELVES. BUT THIS ACTION PLAN LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, LOWER COST UNITS, LIKE SUB MILLION DOLLAR UNITS. MM-HMM . AND I THINK WE, WE AS A TOWN NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO ATTRACT. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF BUYER WE WANT TO ATTRACT, BECAUSE THAT MEANS WHAT KIND OF THINGS WE WANT TO BUILD. 'CAUSE IF, I BELIEVE THAT IF WE WERE TO BUILD SOME HIGHER END THINGS, THAT PEOPLE WOULD BUY 'EM, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE WHAT THEIR CHOICE IS IN THAT RANGE. THEY WOULDN'T BE A LOWER END BUYER. THEY WOULD BE THIS, THIS BUYER. BUT I'M NOT A MARKET EXPERT, OBVIOUSLY. SO, UM, THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THE MARKET SAYS. SO, SO THIS IS, UM, SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT, THAT YOU, WE CAN CHOOSE FROM TO GO TARGET. MM-HMM . I THINK THAT THE, THIS IS WITHIN, UH, AN EASIER MARKET REALITY. . OKAY. YEAH. UM, [01:15:01] AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IF, UH, WHEN, WHEN I FIRST OUT OUR CONVERSATION WITH JOEL AT THE OUTSET, UM, THE WAY THAT I TRANSLATED IT WAS HOW CAN WE GET A, HOW CAN WE GET A BUNCH OF CONDO TOWERS IN MADISON? AND THAT WAS MY FIRST LINE OF THINKING. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD, UM, BECAUSE THE PRICE TAG THAT AT LEAST THE FIRST COUPLE WOULD PROBABLY COME IN SAYING YOU NEED, IT WOULD BE SO BIG THAT THEY, IT WOULDN'T BE VIABLE. SO THEN THE THOUGHT WAS, WELL, OKAY, WELL, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME WOULD THAT BE OVER? AND THAT'S, THERE'S SO MANY CRYSTAL BALLS INVOLVED IN THAT. IT'S HARD TO GET THROUGH. SO THE THOUGHT WAS THEN WHAT COULD, WHAT COULD GET DONE AT A HIGH LEVEL OF QUALITY THAT ESTABLISHES A BASELINE FROM WHICH FUTURE CONDUCT TOWERS CAN BE BUILT FOR. BUT I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NICE THING ABOUT THE SCALE OF TOWN IS IT'S BASICALLY THE SIZE OF A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, A REALLY BIG MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A PRIVATE OWNER OWNS ALL THAT LAND? THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN ON A PLAN FOR ALL OF IT. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING AFTER. THEY HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN. AND I THINK, IN MY OPINION, IF I WERE YOU, THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT I WOULD USE. AND I WOULD BE LOOKING, IT WOULDN'T JUST BE STRAIGHT ZONING KIND OF STUFF. IF, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THAT AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, ALL THAT STUFF. BUT NOW IN INNOVATION, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA SPEND, REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A TOWER OR IF IT'S MID BUILDING, SOMEONE'S SPENDING, YOU KNOW, $2 MILLION, $3 MILLION ON SOMETHING, THE DESIGN REALLY IS GONNA MATTER. THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY IS GONNA MATTER. AND THAT ONLY COMES FROM POSITIONING, HAVING SUB AREA PLANS. THOSE MAY CHANGE, BUT AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE OUT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH A DEVELOPER, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DID ON SOME OF THESE OTHER DISTRICTS, UM, THAT SAYS, OKAY, MAKE IT BETTER, BUT HERE'S OUR THOUGHT. HERE'S THE STARTING POINT. WE THINK WE CAN GET $4 MILLION HOUSES, EURO UNITS, AND IN WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. AND WHAT DO YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, THEN START, START THAT DIALOGUE. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET ANY MORE ANYTHING. SO, DARREN, I THINK, UM, YOUR QUESTIONS ARE REALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING COUNSEL RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE'RE ASKING COUNSEL IS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE OF INCREASING OWNERSHIP. IS THAT THE, IS THE OBJECTIVE BROAD INCREASE OWNERSHIP, ANY OF THESE UP THERE? AS LONG AS WE'RE INCREASING THAT NUMBER, THAT'S THE OBJECTIVE, IS THE OBJECTIVE. CERTAIN SUBSET OF THESE IS THE OBJECTIVE. HEY, WE HEAR, BUT WE WANT CONDOS AND WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE INCENTIVES FOR CONDOS. SO WE'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL IS KIND OF WHERE, WHERE IS THE APPETITE SO THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A GAME PLAN AND BRING THAT BACK AND SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE GOING. MY, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE WORD INCENTIVES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE, RIGHT? WITH ECONOMIC INVOLVEMENT. YES. SO I'LL USE, AS RANDY, YOU'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, HOW IS THAT GONNA GET PAID FOR FROM US AS A COUNCIL? WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM TO GET THOSE INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT THOSE DEVELOPERS TO DO EITHER ONE OR TWO OR THREE OF THOSE THINGS FOR THE TOWN STAFF FISHING, IT'S LIKE SENDING THE CHARTER BOAT OUT WITHOUT BAIT. WELL, I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LEVERS WE COULD PULL. I MEAN, WE, WE COULD, I'M ASKING AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION. HOW CAN PAY FOR IT? IN MY MIND, WE START, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WAIVING FEES FOR THE RIGHT DEVELOPER WITH THE RIGHT PROJECT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER CAN'T PUT IN HIS POCKET OR DRIVE AWAY WITH. IF THERE'S INVESTMENTS IN PARKS IN GREEN SPACE, I THINK WOULD MAKE SOME OF THOSE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND MAYBE GET TO A HIGHER PRICE POINT. SO THE END OF THE YANG, AND YOU'RE THE BANKER, WOULD THAT RAISE PROPERTY TAXES? I THINK ANY, SO SAY WE WERE DOING, UH, SAY LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THE GRANT, THE INCENTIVE PART. 'CAUSE THE OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING FEES, WA FEES, WE DON'T, WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT TO YOU AND TALK, HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SAY WE WERE GONNA DO A GRANT OF SOME SORT THAT'S TRULY, HEY, WE ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS JUST LIKE WE DO WITH ANY INCENTIVE. WE'RE GONNA BRING YOU A PAYBACK MODEL. AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, IF WE, IF THIS IS EVEN WHERE WE WANT TO GO, SAY THIS IS WHERE WE WANNA GO. WE WE'RE GONNA SAY IN YEAR SIX, WE NEED A POINT WHERE THE INCREASE IN VALUES THAT WE GET INCREASE PART OFFSETS THAT. SO HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE AMOUNT OF YEARS IT TAKES TO BE PAID BACK AND THAT YOU'RE NOT FILLING THAT IMPACT. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY ANYTIME YOU'RE GIVING, YOU'RE DOING GRANTS AND YOU'RE TAKING THAT STEP OUTTA THE SIDE OF THE OTHER PIECES THAT CHRIS MENTIONED IS MORE RISK. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S, IT DEPENDS, BUT ANYTIME WE WOULD BRING IT FOR YOU, WE WOULD HAVE THAT ANALYSIS THAT YOU WOULD SEE WHAT THE, THAT'S ALL I ADD. NOW. I WANNA SEND THE CHARTER OUT WITH HUM WITH BIG AND RODS FULLY GIVE 'EM ALL THE AMMUNITION THEY NEED SO THE TOWN STAFF CAN DO THEIR JOB AND NOT, NOT WASTE ANY TIME FROM ANY DEVELOPER. THAT'S ALL I ASK, BUT DO YOU WANT KNOW IF WE HAVE SOME KIND OF AN APPETITE FOR PROVIDING SOME INCENTIVE TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I I'M LOOKING FOR, FOR EVERYTHING. IF IT IS LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO BE AGGRESSIVE ON THE CONDOS, THEN THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION. LIKE, ARE YOU, IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT? [01:20:01] AND WHAT LEVEL OF INCENTIVES? LIKE IS IT JUST FEES OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? SO, SO MY THOUGHT IS THIS IS LOOKING AT THIS IMPLEMENTATION ACTION PLAN ON, ON SLIDE 24, IF WE WERE TO JUST HAVE STAFF GO THROUGH NUMBER ONE, THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD GO VIABLE LAND PLOT BY PLOT, BY PLOT. AND IT'S NOT LIKE THIS EVERY PLOT'S AVAILABLE, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND SO REALLY QUICKLY THEY'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT COULD POSSIBLY REALISTICALLY GO HERE BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT, BECAUSE OF THE TOTAL WHATEVER THE NOISE CONTROVERSY SITUATION IS. AND UM, AND, AND SO I LIKE THIS THOUGHT AND IT'LL CLEAR UP THIS, I THINK A LOT OF THIS MARKED THIS OF, OF THE MISSING MIDDLE AND BECAUSE WHAT COULD GO WITH REALLY QUICK AND, AND, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THEM BRING THAT BACK TO US. YEAH. LEMME FINISH THIS. THE SECOND QUESTION WAS BACK TO TRAMMELL CROW PROJECT DOWNTOWN. IN THAT BE, I KNOW THAT THE PROJECT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A PROJECT HERE OFF OF BELTLINE THAT HASN'T BROKEN GROUND IS A MIXED, UM, FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND, AND SOME RENTAL TOWN HOMES AND OWNERSHIP, AND IT'S NOT BROKEN GROUND. SO THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP WITH A DEVELOPER THAT WE HAVE ALREADY. BUT YET, I GUESS THE QUESTION I'M ASKING YOU IS, ARE THE DEVELOPING COMMUNITY NOT LOOKING AT ADDISON AS YOU'RE PROJECTING TO US HERE? I MEAN, WOW. YOU KNOW, ADDISON, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND IT AND YOU HAVE EXCITEMENT FOR IT. THERE'S A BUZZ. DOES THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY HAVE THAT BUZZ? NO, IT WOULD BE HAPPENING. SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LEARN TO WHAT WAS YOUR, WHAT WAS YOUR COMMENT? WHAT? NO, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE HAPPENING. OKAY. YEAH. WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD STABLE OF DEVELOPERS IN TEXAS THAT ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND THINGS TO DO. SO IF THEY FELT LIKE THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY WOULD BE AT TRIGGER WORK RIGHT NOW. NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY, IT JUST MEANS THEY HAVEN'T SEEN. YEAH. WHY IS THERE NOT A BUZZ WITH EDISON? WHAT, WHAT IS THE NEGATIVE TO EDISON? THERE'S NO NEGATIVE. IT IS JUST NOT, IT, IT IS JUST NOT WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING RECENTLY. YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF STUFF. IT'S, IT IS HAPPENING UP AT, YOU KNOW, LEGACY, WHICH IS THAT BACK TO LAND OWNERSHIP. STARBUCKS OWN THIS MUCH AND BILLINGSLEY OWNS THIS MUCH, AND YET THEY DON'T OWN HERE. MM-HMM . OTHER FAMILIES OWN HERE, ORAL, LARGE PARCELS AND NOT WILLING TO SELL AT, AT AN APPROPRIATE RATE. IS THAT FAIR? UM, YEAH, CASE BY CASE, BUT YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT IS, IT, THERE'S NO NEGATIVE. THERE REALLY IS NO NEGATIVE. IT'S, IT'S MORE OF, IT IS WHAT I SAID BEFORE ABOUT THE HERD. AND THOSE, THOSE COMPANIES ARE GREAT, BUT THEY ALSO FOLLOW SOME OF THAT MINDSET. THERE'S, THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPERS OUT THERE THAT AREN'T THE BIG INSTITUTIONAL PLAYERS. UM, AND MY MY GUESS IS IT'S PROBABLY SOME OF THOSE THAT WOULD COME IN AND WOULD BE CREATIVE TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE SOME RISK AND PARTNER WITH YOU IN SOME WAY, UM, RATHER THAN A BIG INSTITUTIONAL GROUP THAT'S TRYING TO MAKE A RETURN EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY QUARTER QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, ON THAT. UM, THERE, THERE IS NO NEGATIVE. IT'S JUST WHAT ARE WE SELLING? NO REP REPUTATION, NO REP REPUTATIONAL, KNOCK ON US FOR NO, WE'RE DOING TOO MUCH OF THIS. NOT DOING ENOUGH OF THAT. NO, IT'S HARD TO BUILD AN ADDISON, YOU KNOW, THE PERMIT PROCESS IS HORRIBLE. TAXES ARE TOO HIGH. ANY OF THAT? IS THERE ANY OF THAT BUZZ? NOT IN MY WORLD. THANK YOU. NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M WE'LL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOMETHING WE CAN FIX WHAT I HEARD, IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME TO HEAR THE CONCERN ABOUT PERCENTAGE OF APARTMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED ON SOME OF THAT HERE, BUT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE GROUND, WHY EN LARGE AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE 6 35 UNDERNEATH GAR, YOU KNOW, OR WHERE, WHERE YOU HAVE SIMILAR NUMBERS OR PERCENTAGES OF APARTMENT THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT OVER THERE, RIGHT. THAN WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. IT IS MORE LIKE BACK PAY, BOSTON, THAT KIND OF THING. SO I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE. JUST FYI. OKAY. ABOUT 80 PERCENTAGE OF APARTMENT. AND YOU REFERENCED A NODE, RIGHT? BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, I KNOW BELLEVUE LIKE YOU DO, BUT BUR BURBANK IS STILL AS NAS AND IT'S A NODE WITHIN NODE BURING, LIKE MINI LAS COLIN SALINAS, AS YOU SAID, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THOSE TO LOOK AT, WHETHER IT BE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. THAT'S WHY YOU ONLY PICK ONE, CORRECT? YEAH. AND THE WOODLANDS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WORKED DOWN THERE. WOODLANDS HAS THAT, IT BASICALLY, IT IS A LARGE EMPLOYMENT CENTER THAT HAS SERVICES AND HOUSING THAT SUPPORT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALL AT. AND ADDISON IS OUT, YOU KNOW, FRONT AND, AND HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT AND JUST NEEDS TO FILTER IN SOME OTHER USES NOW. CORRECT. SO THANK YEAH. I DO WANNA MAKE JUST ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE BUZZ. AND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. I MEAN, THERE'S ALL THESE TOOLS ON THE TABLE TO GO TRY TO ATTACK THIS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUZZ, THAT'S ALSO WHY WE DO CATALYST PROJECTS. SO WE'RE, WE'RE INVESTING IN THIS TOD PROJECT RIGHT NOW. THE HOPE IS, AS WE'VE SAID, ALONG THAT HAPPENS AND THEN OTHER PROPERTIES NEARBY THAT NEED REINVESTMENT, THOSE BECOME FEE SIMPLE. THOSE BECOME THE COURTYARDS BECAUSE FOLKS WANT TO BE THERE. THEY [01:25:01] WANNA BE NEAR THE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING THERE. SO THAT'S GONNA HELP US GET TO THE BUZZ, RIGHT? WE'RE DOING THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS TO TRY TO GET FOLKS HERE. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF BUZZ ABOUT THAT, UM, FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW ACTUALLY. SO, YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ALONG THAT LINE ACTUALLY. I WAS KIND OF GOING, GOING THAT DIRECTION. UH, SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE, THAT WE'VE KIND OF TARGETED AS FUTURE, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPMENT THAT MAY NOT, MIGHT NOT BE YOUR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU WOULD THINK OF, BUT YEAH, I LIKE THAT POCKET COTTAGE COMMUNITY IDEA TOO. I THOUGHT THAT LOOKED PRETTY NEAT, UH, SINCE THAT'S NOT, LIKE, IT'S NOT, IT'S A NON-TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WOULD THAT FIT PRETTY WELL IN A NON-TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU WOULDN'T, SOMETHING CLOSE TO A TOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND THEN WE, WE DOT NEED TO MOVE ALONG. WE'VE BEEN ON THIS FOR A WHILE, Y'ALL, UM, SO WE'RE SEEING OCCASIONALLY WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THESE OFFICE BUILDING CONVERSIONS TO A HYBRID MODEL OF RESIDENTIAL HOTEL OFFICE. UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE, JUST HAVE IN OUR MIND TO BE THINKING ABOUT? AND I KNOW MOST OF THOSE, I THINK, I THINK MOST OF THOSE, THE, THE RESIDENTIALS, UH, PART OF THOSE ARE RENTALS. YEAH. ARE ANY OF THEM GOING CONDO OR NOT? IS THEY ALL RENTAL? YES, MA'AM. THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OUTLIERS. YEAH, BECAUSE I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CALL AMERICA BANK TOWER, THEY'RE DOING 60 STORE BUILDING, THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DO THAT IN OTHER PLACES LIKE CHICAGO, OTHER CULTURES. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF THAT HAPPENING. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I, I WILL SAY THAT THE, THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT HAPPENING HERE IS THE TESTAMENT TO YOUR OFFICE MARKET IS GOOD THAT'S HAPPENING THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PRODUCT THAT THEY CAN SELL. YEAH. SO THEY'RE HAVING TO CHANGE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOW WHAT I DO SEE, LIKE IN THE SPECTRUM OR YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE IN THERE IS THE COLON AID, IS THAT YOU HAVE AN OLD PATTERN WITH GARAGES AND OFFICE HOUR AND LANDSCAPING. AND SO WHAT I SEE IN THERE IS I SEE PARKING GARAGES AND I SEE, WELL, CAN WE ATTACH TO THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL WHERE THERE'S A GOOD SHARING AND I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON PARKING. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO BRING SOME COSTS DOWN. IF YOU HAVE A PARTNER IN THE LANDOWNER WOULD BE WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION. THE YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. DAVID, WHAT ELSE YOU NEED FROM US ON THIS? WE NEED TO MOVE ALONG. CAN I SAY ONE THING? I MEAN, I'M LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS HIGHRISE, MIDRISE, WHATEVER, HONDA, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE AT THIS TABLE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THAT WE ALL HAVE IN HOUSE AND, AND I SEE THESE, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM KIDS, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL KIDS. THEY FEEL LIVE ON APARTMENT AND THEY'RE ASPIRING TO GET OUT AN APARTMENT AND THINK FOR HOME OWNERSHIP. SOME OF 'EM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ASPIRING FOR THESE HIGH RISES THAT THEY'RE GETTING OUT OF BECAUSE THEY JUST BEING ONE THAT THEY OWN 'EM INSTEAD OF ONE THAT THEY'RE THERE. HEY, PEOPLE WANT HOUSES WITH THE YARDERS AND NEIGHBORS. AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS YOUNG, I BOUGHT MY FIRST HOUSE AND IT WAS 82,000 BUCKS. SO THEY TOOK UP, I GET IT. THAT HOUSE 400, IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA LOT OF LAND, BUT I'D LIKE TO CLEAR UP SOME OLD APARTMENT OUT THERE AND BUILT A NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSES AND STREETS AND GARAGES AND YARDS. DOES THAT EXISTS? NOT POSSIBLE. YOU DID THE BALL LOCKS. THAT'S WHAT LOCK BALL LOCK WAS. UM, BUT THAT WAS A BIG OWNERSHIP IN THERE. UM, SO YOU'RE JUST CONSTRAINED BY THE SIZE OF THE TOWN. I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY CONSTRAINED BY THE SIZE. BUT IT'S ALL PERCENTAGES. THERE'S CLEARLY THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT HOUSES. MANY OF THEM ARE FAMILIES OR ASPIRING FAMILIES. DOES THAT MEAN WELL THAT MOVE IN ROOM? THERE'S PEOPLE COMING AND BUYING ONE FRIENDS' HOUSES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. YEAH. BUT UM, IF YOU WERE A CITY THAT WAS FIVE TIMES THE SIZE OF YOU, YOU HAVE MORE COOL AT YOUR DISPOSAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE LAND. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE GIANT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CAN BE RENDERED. YOU COULD HAVE A RENAISSANCE PROGRAM OR A SINGLE TINY NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU JUST DON'T HAVE MANY. THAT'S THE THING. YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, SO OUR RENTERS, THEIR FUTURE IS IN NEVADA, MADISON, AND WE'RE GONNA GET MORE RENTERS COMING IN LIFE. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. YEAH, BUT WELL, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT'S THE FUTURE. THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE RIGHT NOW. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK, BUT I THINK WHAT YOUR POINT IS, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER OF WITH THESE NEW PRO WITH EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHO'S OUR MARKET? AND WITH THESE, I THINK WITH OUR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AS THOSE RESALE, CERTAINLY FAMILIES ARE A MARKET FOR THAT. BUT FOR ANYTHING NEW COMING, THOSE FOLKS MAYBE ARE IN THOSE APARTMENTS AND THEY'RE GETTING THAT TIME AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A FAMILY, MOST LIKELY THEY'RE GONNA BE GILMAN SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THE MARKET SCHOOLS, YEAH, SO THE MARKET FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GONNA BE THOSE HIGHER EARNERS THAT ARE A LITTLE OLDER. LITTLE KIDS. LITTLE KIDS. THOSE, SO JUST DIFFERENT, THEY DON WANT, SO THEY LIVE IN THE HIGH OR I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. ONE LAST COMMENT AND I, WITH EVERYTHING [01:30:01] THAT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT, KEEP IN MIND MACRO TRENDS. MACRO TRENDS ARE NOT WORKING IN OUR PAPER IN THAT REGARD. LOOK AT THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES. ALMOST 70% OF THAT IS RENTAL BECAUSE THEIR AVERAGE HOUSE PRICE IS 1,000,001. PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT. SO IF WE CONTINUE TO GO IN A MORE EXPENSIVE DIRECTION, WHICH WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THEN, THEN WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WHEN YOU, I GREW UP IN LOS ANGELES, WE RENTED, THERE WAS NO STIGMA. WE WERE IN A NEAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WAS GREAT. WE NEVER SAID ANYTHING BUT THE RENT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION LIKE THAT. SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF IT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO BUY A HOUSE BECAUSE THINGS ARE MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE, AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR A RENTAL STOCK AND HOW DOES THAT WIND UP IN A POSITION THAT'S STILL RESPECTABLE AND GOOD AND MOVE, GO PUT ABOUT AND AND MAINTAIN STRONG INCOME? THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION, MR. BUT I, I GO BACK TO, I SAID BEFORE, Y'ALL ARE POSITIONING MODEL FOR BEFORE SALE. SO IT'S JUST MY TIME BEFORE SALE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID. DO, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US FOR AT THIS POINT? OR THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN HEAR FROM US? I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK OVERALL WE'VE GOT SUPPORT FROM EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE, BEEN THE ADMISSION SO FAR FOR BROADLY. WE WANT TO ATTACK THESE IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. IF THERE'S MORE SPECIFIC DIRECTION, WE'RE HAPPY TO HEAR IT. WE ALSO COME BACK IN A FUTURE MEETING AND HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO I'M NOT REALLY LEANING TOWARDS HIGH RISE CONDOS. I'M JUST SAYING THE OTHER TYPES OF THEIR CREATIVE TYPES. I LIKE SOME THOSE, I FEEL THE SAME WAY. UM, TO, TO MARLON'S POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING INVENTORY OF EVERY SINGLE PARCEL WE'VE GOT AND WHAT MIGHT BE RIGHT FOR REDEVELOPMENT. ISN'T THAT SORT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO, SO CAN'T WE, ONCE WE APPROVE THAT, PACKAGE IT UP AND START SENDING OUT TO DEVELOPERS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE A GOOD TARGET FOR DEVELOPMENT AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND, AND ARE OPEN FOR REDEVELOPMENT. YEAH. I THINK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS, THIS IS MORE DETAILED RIGHT, THAN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT YET TOGETHER ABSOLUTELY THEY WORK HAND IN HAND. YEAH. SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEPS IF YOU FEEL LIKE IF THE DIRECTION IS, HEY, WE, WE LIKE WHAT WE'VE HEARD, WE WANT TO CONTINUE, WE WANT TO, TO EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, FULL GAMBIT GO FORWARD. WE WILL DO THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL COME BACK IN AND GET FOLLOW UP AND HAVE FOLLOW UP CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHERE THAT'S HEADED. IF THERE'S SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS YOU WANT TO HAVE, WE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE THIS SOONER AND THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A PRETTY GOOD PART OF OUR DISCUSSION DURING STRATEGIC PLANNING. YES, THAT'S, I HAVE NO DOUBT FOR SURE. 24 THE ACTION. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. YOU THANK YOU. UM, DO WE HAVE TIME TO DO THE NO, JUST SO, UM, WE'LL PUSH TURS TO THE FOURTH IF THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN WHAT, WE'LL, WE NEED TO GO KEEP MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AT END OF MEETING, IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THE SEVEN B, UH, TO, UH, WHAT, NOVEMBER 4TH NEXT. ALRIGHT. YEAH. SO, UM, YEAH, SEVEN B, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR NEXT MEETING NOVEMBER 4TH. AND THEN, UH, SEVEN C WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AT THE, AT THE END OF OUR REGULAR MEETING. SO WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL TAKE A SHORT, UH, 10 MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL RECONVENE IN THE OTHER ROOM. AND IT IS, UH, 7 0 5. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. IT IS SEVEN [ COUNCIL MEETING The Addison City Council will convene for a Council Meeting beginning at 7:00 PM in the Town Hall Council Chambers.] 18 AND WE WILL RECONVENE THE COUNCIL INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING. AND AS ALWAYS, WE'D LIKE TO START A MEETING WITH THE PLEDGE OF BOTH OF OUR FLAGS. IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE. I PLEDGE THE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND HIS REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO LEAD TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE INDIVISIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. UH, WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER [2. Proclamations / Presentations] TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS TWO A IS CITY MANAGER'S ANNOUNCEMENTS AND TWO B'S EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION. DAVID GAINES. THANKS MAYOR. A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR TONIGHT. FIRST, THE NOVEMBER 11TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING FALLS ON VETERANS DAY THIS YEAR. SO WE HAVE MOVED IT TO NOVEMBER 18TH. THE NOVEMBER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING WILL, HAS BEEN CANCELED ON THAT DAY. NEXT, THE ANNUAL HALLOWEEN BASH TAKES PLACE ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 30TH, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM AT ADDISON CIRCLE PARK. GRAB YOUR GHOSTS AND GOBLINS AND JOIN US FOR THIS FUN FREE COMMUNITY EVENT. COME JOIN US [01:35:01] FOR A COMMUNITY CLEANUP DAY ON SATURDAY NOVEMBER 1ST, JUST GO, JUST GO TO THE WEBSITE TO REGISTER AND YOU CAN SELECT TO WORK AT LAY LOCKS WYNWOOD OR VITRO VITRUVIAN OR ADDISON CIRCLE PARKS. NEXT, WE ARE HOSTING OUR FIRST EVER YOUTH SERVICE PROJECT ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 18TH FOR TEENS 14 TO 18. VISIT THE WEBSITE FOR ALL THE DETAILS AND TO REGISTER. FINALLY, OUR FALL, OUR FALL TOWN MEETING IS ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH. COME GET A TOUR OF NEW TOWN HALL OF THE NEW TOWN HALL BUILDING AND LEARN ABOUT PROJECTS DIRECTLY FROM THE DEPARTMENTS RUNNING THEM, FOLLOWED BY A PRESENTATION FROM THE MAYOR. WE WILL HAVE DOOR PRIZES, LIKE GIFT CARDS FROM LAZY DOG, BLUE MESA AND MORE. SO DON'T MISS OUT. WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE OUT AT THOSE EVENTS. THAT'S ALL FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND I WILL HAND IT OVER TO STEVEN FOR AN EMPLOYEE INTRODUCTION. GREAT. UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE CASEY BENNETT. UH, HE IS, UH, OUR NEW BUDGET MANAGER IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. UH, SO CASEY JOINED THE TOWN ON OCTOBER 8TH, UH, BRINGING WITH HIM A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE AND A DEEP CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY. UH, CASEY GREW UP IN RICHARDSON IN PLANO. UH, GRADUATED FROM PLANO EAST SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL, UH, AS AN INTERNATIONAL BACCALAUREATE STUDENT. UH, BACCALAUREATE. BACCALAUREATE. THANKS, CASEY. , YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS IN THE, WHERE HE ALSO LEARNED LEARNED SPANISH. YES. AND HE WILL SPEAK SPANISH, UH, TO YOU ON, ON OCCASION. UH, HE WENT ON TO ATTEND , THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT DALLAS, WHERE HE EARNED A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN BUSINESS FINANCE WITH A MINOR IN MUSIC WHERE HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE CHAMBER SINGERS FOR THREE YEARS, UH, DURING HIS UNDERGRADUATE, UH, TIME THERE. AND THEN HE LATER WENT TO, UH, UTD TO EARN HIS EXECUTIVE MBA, UH, WHERE HE GRADUATED IN 2022. UH, CASEY AND HIS WIFE, UH, RODDY, WHO IS HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL. UH, BOTH NOW WORK IN ADDISON. SHE WORKS AT A SMALL BOUTIQUE ARCHITECTURE FIRM IN TOWN. UH, THEY HAVE ONE SON, LOGAN, UH, WHO RECENTLY TURNED 12, UH, WHO'S BUSY PLAYING BASEBALL, PERFORMING TUBE IN THE SCHOOL BAND, AND TRAINING IN TAEKWONDO WHERE HE IS WORKING TOWARDS HIS BLACK BELT. UH, CASEY'S A A LIFELONG METROPLEX RESIDENT, AN ADVER AVID SUPPORTER OF DALLAS SPORTS TEAMS, ESPECIALLY THE STARS. UH, AND HE WAS A FOUR YEAR LETTER STARTING GOALIE ON THE UTD HOCKEY TEAM. WOW. WHO KNEW THAT UTD HAD HOCKEY TEAM ? I DID NOT. UM, IT WAS REAL, UH, PROFESSIONALLY, CASEY'S PROUD OF HIS TIME IN RICHARDSON, WHERE HE HELPED TRANSFORM THE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE TEAM INTO A MORE DYNAMIC AND HIGHLY REGARDED GROUP, UH, WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. UH, PERSONALLY, ONE OF HIS PROUDEST MOMENTS WAS MARRYING HIS WIFE TWICE, UH, ONCE IN THEIR BACKYARD IN FRISCO, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN IN THEIR, THEIR HO IN HER HOMELAND OF SRI LANKA. HE EVEN PERFORMED A SONG IN HINDI AT THEIR WEDDING BEFORE AN AUDIENCE OF MORE THAN 200 PEOPLE. OF COURSE, HE DID. A MUSIC MINOR, UH, OUTSIDE OF WORK, CASEY SERVES AS IN MASTER OF CEREMONY CEREMONIES FOR SEVERAL COMMUNITY EVENTS. HE EVEN DID ONE HERE FOR OUR EMPLOYEE CHRISTMAS PARTY, UH, LAST, LAST YEAR, I THINK, UH, BEFORE HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE HERE. UM, HE'S ALSO DONE ALLEN USA AND THE HOLLY JOLLY CELEBRATION. UH, HE'S HAD THE HONOR OF MCING WEDDINGS AND OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. UH, WHEN ASKED WHAT DREW HIM TO ADDISON, CASEY SHARED THAT HE HAD A LONG ADMIRED THE CULTURE OF THE ADDISON FINANCE DEPARTMENT. UH, FOR, FOR CASEY, THE ADDISON WAY MEANS DOING OUR BEST EACH DAY TO DO BETTER, UH, TO BE BETTER TOMORROW THAN WE ARE TODAY. SO PLEASE HELP ME IN WELCOMING CASEY. YOU WANNA SAY A MAN? A FEW WORDS AS WELL. SO, ? YES. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. SO HAPPY TO BE HERE. CAN'T WAIT TO TO JUMP STRAIGHT OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU STEVEN. BEN VENITO. CASEY, WELCOME TO YOUR WIFE. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. EDIT DAVID. THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO ON [3. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.] TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. PUBLIC COMMENT. CITY COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER, INCLUDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA. COMMENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD WHEN THIS SPECIFIC HEARING STARTS. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW. THE COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSS ANY ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. I HAVE ONE CITY COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD, SO I WILL CALL ON DON RICKER HAUSER. AND DON, IF YOU'D PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. DON RICKER HAUSER. UH, [01:40:01] I WORK AT 4,300 WEST ROAD DRIVE, ADDISON. IS THIS ON? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, THAT'S BETTER IF THE LIGHT, IF THE GREEN LIGHT'S ON. YOU'RE GOOD. GREEN LIGHT'S ON. YEAH. MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MR. GAINES. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S DON RICKER HAUSER. I'M THE CEO OF MILLIONAIRE DALLAS. AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM FIVE E. REGARDING THE PROPOSED GROUND LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND THRUST PROPERTIES. MILLIONAIRE HAS PROUDLY SERVED THE ADDISON AIRPORT COMMUNITY FOR MORE THAN 41 YEARS, AND WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING THE LONG-TERM SUCCESS OF ADDISON AIRPORT AND THE TOWN OF ADDISON IN MARCH, 2022, MET WITH THE AIRPORT LEADERSHIP AND SHARED A LONG-TERM HANGAR DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT THAT INCLUDED THE BROADER MIDFIELD AREA ALONG TAXIWAY SIERRA. AT THAT TIME, WE WERE ASKED TO PAUSE AND ALLOW THE AIRPORT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE UPCOMING AIRPORT MASTER PLAN UPDATE BEFORE ADVANCING ANY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTOOD THAT WE RESPECTED THAT DIRECTION AND WE STEPPED BACK AS REQUESTED. IN JUNE, 2023, AN RFP WAS ISSUED FOR TWO ACRES WITHIN THAT SAME AREA. MAN AIR DID NOT SUBMIT A PROPOSAL BECAUSE A TWO ACRE SITE DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE INTEGRATED HANGAR LAYOUT THAT WE PREVIOUSLY SHARED. AND THAT DEPENDS ON PARCELS BEING DEVELOPED TOGETHER, NOT IN ISOLATION. TWO ACRES WAS NOT ENOUGH FOR US. ADDITIONALLY, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE UPDATED MASTER PLAN, UH, WAS ULTIMATELY GONNA BE DESIGNATED FOR THAT SECTION, UH, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE PREMATURE TO PROPOSE A PROJECT, UH, LIMITED TO A SMALL PORTION OF POTENTIALLY A MUCH LARGER AREA. SO OUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS STRAIGHTFORWARD AND ROOTED IN, IN FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENT, WHAT WE THINK IS BEST FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE AIRPORT, BUT THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THE BUSINESSES AS WELL. BUT BEFORE, BEFORE AWARDING A LONG-TERM GREECE ON ANY AREA OF THAT TRACK ALONG SIERRA, WE ASK THAT THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN BE COMPLETED. FIRST COMPLETING THE MASTER PLAN WILL GIVE THE COUNCIL THE AIRPORT, THE COMMUNITY, THE ABILITY TO, NUMBER ONE, SEE THE FULL RANGE OF DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES SIDE BY SIDE BEFORE DECIDING. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT, YOU KNOW, OUR IDEAS AS WELL, AND WE LIKE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. UNDERSTAND THE LONG-TERM ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT USES THAT LAND COULD BE USED FOR, AND DETERMINE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS IMPORTANT, UH, AREA OF THE AIRFIELD. AGAIN, I'M NOT STANDING HERE TO ASK FOR ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT, SO WE ARE JUST SIMPLY ASKING FOR CONSISTENT, THOUGHTFUL PROCESS. THE SAME PROCESS WE WERE ASKED TO DO WHEN WE PRESENTED BACK IN 2022. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND THEN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PRESENT OUR IDEAS AND THEN, UH, YOU, THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE A, A BETTER INFORMED DECISION. SO ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND, AND MY COLLEAGUE JEFF ZIMMERMAN, HE'S THE, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE FBO AND HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE AIRPORT FOR YEARS ON JUST, UH, NOT THIS AREA, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE INCLUDING THE ACQUISITION OF THAT HANGAR. AND I WANNA, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR TIME AND YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DON. ALRIGHT. AND THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, APPEARANCE CARD THAT I HAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND MOVE ON [4. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT TONIGHT IS CONSISTS OF ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR F IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOUR A THROUGH F. THANK YOU, MARLON. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU CHRIS, FOR THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO PULL FOUR E IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PULL, BUT I MISSED IT. YOU DID? I DID. WELL, WE CAN DISCUSS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION IF YOU WANT. OKAY. SO DISCUSSION ON THAT. THERE'S, THERE'S GOOD QUESTIONS IN THE, UM, QUESTIONS, UM, COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND, UH, I'D ASKED ABOUT WHEN THE LAST TIME THAT HAD BEEN BID OUT. UM, SO THEY GO THROUGH THESE DRAINAGE BASIN ASSESSMENTS, UM, PRETTY MUCH CYCLE THROUGH 'EM ONE, ONE PER YEAR. UM, AND SO THIS, THIS ONE IS ON, UM, THE FARMER'S BRANCH CREEK DRAINAGE BASIN. IT'S A, UH, PRETTY LARGE, UH, DOLLAR ITEM. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD NOT BEEN, UM, THEY DID THE, UH, RFQ BACK IN 2017. AND CAN WE, SO WE, CAN WE GET, UH, QUESTIONS FROM, UH, STAFF IN THE DISCUSSION? WELL, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE. OKAY. SO, UH, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT. IT IS JUST, UH, FROM A TRANSPARENCY STANDPOINT, [01:45:01] UM, AND THE FEE, THE, UH, ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION ALSO WAS THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THE PRICES. I DID SOME OF MY OWN HOMEWORK. I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE PRICES ARE IN LINE. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE, UM, SOME CONVERSATION ON THAT. AND, AND, AND JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE DO THAT IN THE WORK SESSION FOR THE QUESTIONS ON CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A GREAT TIME TO DO THAT. OKAY. YEAH. BUT, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, DARREN, THOUGH. THAT'S OKAY. I THINK IT'S JUST A HEALTHY DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM [a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution establishing the Town's intent to reimburse itself for prior lawful expenditures of funds relating to the purchase of vehicles and equipment in the amount of $2,000,000.] FIVE A PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE TOWN'S INTENT TO REIMBURSE ITSELF FOR PRIOR LAWFUL EXPENDITURES OF FUNDS RELATING TO THE PURCHASE OF VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT IN AMOUNT OF $2 MILLION. STEVEN? GREAT. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. AND THIS EVENING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THERE'S A, UH, RESOLUTION TO REIMBURSE, UH, THE TOWN FOR EXPENDITURES THAT, UH, WOULD OCCUR, UH, PRIOR TO THE, UH, RECEIPT OF BOND PROCEEDS. UH, AND I'M ALSO GONNA GO OVER, UH, THE PROPOSED 2026 CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AS WELL AS, UH, OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, RE REFUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE COMING UP. THERE WE GO. UH, OKAY. SO THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. SO THIS ALLOWS THE TOWN TO USE, UH, FUTURE BOND PROCEEDS TO REIMBURSE, REIMBURSE ITSELF FOR EXPENSES THAT MAY OCCUR, UH, PRIOR TO A BOND ISSUANCE. UH, SO THIS REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU IS FOR $2 MILLION, UH, FOR THE PLANNED REPLACEMENT OF QUT 1 0 2. UH, SO THIS WAS APPROVED, THIS PURCHASE WAS APPROVED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UM, ON OCTOBER 14TH. UH, AND THEN THIS ITEM IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET. UH, SO IN TOTAL, THOSE 2026 CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, UH, 3.5 MILLION, UH, BOTH ITEMS INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSED ISSUANCE ARE RELATED TO FIRE APPARATUS. SO WE HAVE THAT REPLACEMENT OF THE QUT 1 0 2 AND THEN $1.5 MILLION FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE AIRPORT RESCUE FIREFIGHTING APPARATUS. UH, THAT ONE'S FUNDED BY THE AIRPORT FUND. SO IN TOTAL, UH, $3.5 MILLION. BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ARE INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE REFUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. SO, UH, WHEN WE WENT OVER THIS, UH, I WENT OVER THIS BRIEFLY IN JULY, UH, THE JULY 1ST COUNCIL MEETING, UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, POTENTIAL BOND ISSUANCES. UH, SO WHEN WE LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AT THAT TIME, UH, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, HILLTOP SECURITIES, THOUGHT WE MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, REFUND THE 2016 GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS. UM, INTEREST RATES SINCE THAT TIME HAVE COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SO NOW, UH, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THAT WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REFUND THOSE, UM, AT A LITTLE BIT LOWER RATE THAN WE WOULD PREVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO THAT NOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO REFUND POTENTIALLY, UH, THE 2014 GO BONDS. UH, SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE NOW CANDIDATES TO BE REFUNDED. UH, OUR CURRENT ESTIMATE ON WHAT TOTAL SAVINGS COULD BE REALIZED FROM THIS REFUNDING, UH, ABOUT $1.25 MILLION. UH, IT'S ABOUT $155,000 A YEAR, UH, FOR 2027 THROUGH 2034. UM, A PORTION OF THESE IS FROM THE UTILITY FUND. UH, SO WE'D SEE ABOUT $25,000 IN SAVINGS PER YEAR, UM, IN THE UTILITY FUND AND ABOUT $130,000 IN SAVINGS PER YEAR FROM THE DEBT SERVICE FUND. AND THE DEBT SERVICE FUND IS THE PORTION, UH, UH, PORTION OF THE TAX RATE. SO, UH, WE'D ESTIMATE THAT ABOUT 0.2 OF 1 CENT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE REDUCED FROM THE INTEREST IN SINKING SIDE OF THE TAX RATE. UM, IF WE RECEIVE THESE, UH, RATES UNDER CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS, UM, INTEREST RATES CAN GO UP OR DOWN, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. BUT, UH, BASED ON CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS, UH, LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS, UH, ON A REFUNDING FOR THESE TWO BOND, UH, ISSUANCES. SO OUR TIMELINE ON THE BOND ISSUANCE, SO, UH, WE'LL BEGIN PREPARING THE PRELIMINARY OFFICIAL STATEMENT, UH, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, UH, DECEMBER 8TH. UH, WE WOULD HAVE RATINGS CALLS WITH BOTH MOODY'S, UH, AND S AND P, UH, ABOUT, UH, JUST AFTER THE BEGINNING OF, UH, 2026, WE'LL RECEIVE THOSE RATINGS FROM BOTH MOODY'S AND S AND P. UH, ONCE WE GET THOSE RATINGS, WE'LL SEND OUT OUT THE PRELIMINARY OFFICIAL STATEMENT TO POTENTIAL PURCHASERS. UH, JANUARY 13TH THAT MORNING WILL HOLD A COMPETITIVE SALE FOR THE BONDS. IT'LL BE TWO SEPARATE BOND ISSUANCES, ONE FOR COS, ONE FOR GEO REFUNDING BONDS, UH, THAT EVENING. [01:50:01] UH, AT YOUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, WE'LL HAVE THE ORDINANCES FOR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, BOND ISSUANCES AND BOND SALES, UH, TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. AND IF APPROVED, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE RECEIVING THOSE PROCEEDS ON FEBRUARY 10TH. UH, JUST ONE THING I WANT TO NOTE. UH, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE DOING THESE IN CONJUNCTION, UH, WITH EACH OTHER IS BECAUSE IT SAVES US ON WHERE YOU SEE RATINGS CALLS, UH, RATINGS, UH, FROM BOTH AGENCIES IN TOTAL. UM, TOTAL OF BOTH OF THEM ARE $50,000. SO IF WE DID ONE ISSUANCE IN THE SUMMER, WE NORMALLY ISSUE IN THE SUMMER, WE'D HAVE TO SPEND $50,000 ON RATINGS CALLS IN THE SUMMER AND THEN COME BACK AND DO THE REFUNDING BONDS AND DO $50,000 IN RATINGS CALLS AND ISSUANCE COSTS. SO BY DOING THESE TOGETHER, WE'RE ABLE TO DO ONE OFFICIAL STATEMENT, ONE SET OF RATINGS, SO IT GENERATES ECONOMIES OF SCALE, UH, AND SAVES US MORE MONEY ON ISSUANCE COST AS WELL. SO DO WE HAVE STAFF THAT'S GONNA MAKE THESE, THAT ARE GONNA PREPARE THE DOCUMENTS OR DO WE SO OUR FINANCIAL STAFF OR OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR PREPARES THE, THE PRELIMINARY OFFICIAL STATEMENT WITH INPUT FROM MAINLY MYSELF AND THE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR. WE DO A LOT OF INFORMATION, UH, GATHERING AS FAR AS, UH, BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY, UH, A REAL DEEP DIVE INTO THE TOWN'S FINANCES. SO WE'RE PROVIDING THAT FINANCIAL INFORMATION. UH, OUR BOND ATTORNEYS, UH, ALSO ARE WORKING ON THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT. SO IT'S REALLY A GROUP OF FINANCIAL ADVISOR BOND ATTORNEYS, AND THEN TOWN STAFF THAT THAT'S PART OF THEIR SCOPE OF WORK THOUGH, THAT WE HIRE THEM FOR, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANKS STEVEN. QUESTIONS ALRIGHT, QUICK ONE. SO, UM, THE NEW COS ARE BEING ISSUED TO THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S BEING FUNDED BY THE AIRPORT. UH, THE $2 MILLION FOR THE QUINT 1 0 2 IS, IS FUNDED BY THE UH, DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE, ONE AND A HALF MILLION FOR THE AIRPORT. I SEE. RESCUE VEHICLE THAT IS FUNDED BY THE AIRPORT, SO 2 MILLION DEBT FUND MILLION FIVE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, GOT IT. THANK YOU. CAN WE NOT GET THE AIRPORT INVOLVED IN THAT CLINT FUNDING AS WELL? SINCE IT IS AVAILABLE FOR AIRPORT CALLS, ANOTHER WAY OF, OF CLAWING SOME MONEY BACK FROM AN ENTITY THAT WE DON'T GET A LOT FROM. Y YOU PROBABLY COULD. I MEAN, WE ARE PAYING EMPLOYEES OUT OF RIGHT. THE AIRPORT, THEIR PROPERTIES ARE ON THE AIRPORT LAND. I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CERTAINLY, I, I WOULD LOVE SEE US IN, INVESTIGATE THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, UM, REDUCE THE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS AND, AND HAVE THE, THE AIRPORT HELP US ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. ALRIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING THE AIRPORT FUNDING, UH, PARTIAL, UH, MOST OF THE EXPENSES SO THAT THAT ONE'S NOT INCLUDED. IT IS, IT'S, IT'S 1.5 OF THE 3.5 TOTAL. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IN, IN GENERAL, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT ARE SHARED THAT THE AIRPORT YOU JUST PART OF. WE, WE ARE, WE ARE SENDING MORE EXPENSES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AND SENDING, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE IS DOING A LOT OF WORK AT THE AIRPORT, WE'RE ALLOCATING THEIR CERTAIN COSTS OVER TO THE AIRPORT. UH, WE HAVE THREE, UH, DRIVERS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE OPERATING THIS VEHICLE, UM, NOW ARE BEING PAID OUT OF THE AIRPORT FUND. UM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THIS, THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. WELL, THE, THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT SPECIFIC TO THE AIRPORT IS, OH YEAH, THE QUIN, THE OTHER ONE. THE OTHER ONE NOT THAT ONE IS, IS, UH, GENERAL DEBT SERVICE. CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. ALL THE QUESTIONS. IS THERE A MOTION? I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION IF I COULD, STEVEN, ON THE RESOLUTION. IS THERE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT TIES THAT TO THE, THE REFUNDING OF THE BONDS? THIS ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REFUNDING. THIS IS ONLY IF WE'RE, IF WE WERE SPENDING MONEY BEFORE WE GOT THE BOND PROCEEDS. SINCE THE REFUNDING IS BASICALLY AN IN, IN AND OUT TRANSACTION, WE GET PROCEEDS FROM NEW BONDS TO PAY OFF THE OLD BONDS. WE'RE NOT PURCHASING EQUIPMENT, WE'RE NOT PURCHASING PROPERTY, WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING WITH THOSE REFUNDING BONDS. IT'S, IT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS. THIS IS ONLY RELATED TO, UH, THE PURCHASE OF THAT NEW EQUIPMENT. OKAY. SO YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE JUST GIVING US A HEADS UP ON HOW WE'RE GONNA, HOW WE CAN PAY FOR IT. WE'LL DO THE BONDS IN JANUARY. YEAH. AND BASICALLY BE BECAUSE OF THE TIMING AND THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE COST, WE HAD THIS, THIS, UH, VEHICLE BEING DELIVERED THIS MONTH. SO IN ORDER TO, TO GET REIMBURSED, UM, ONCE WE SPEND THE MONEY, UH, WE HAVE TO DO THIS REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION SO THAT WE CAN USE THOSE FUTURE BOND PROCEEDS TO PAY OURSELVES BACK. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE A. THANK YOU, DARREN. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. IS, UH, CHRIS? YES. ALRIGHT. THE MOTION IS SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? [01:55:01] ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. ITEM FIVE A IS APPROVED. THANKS, STEVEN. ITEM FIVE [b. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance amending Chapter 22 "Businesses", Article X "Residential Rental Registration" to amend definitions, to provide for fees, and to include public safety and calls for service as a specific consideration in annual registration and periodic inspection of rental properties, specifically hotels and motels.] B PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 22 BUSINESSES ARTICLE X 10, I ASSUME, UH, RESIDENTIAL RENTAL REGISTRATION TO AMEND DEFINITIONS TO PROVIDE FOR FEES AND TO INCLUDE PUBLIC SAFETY AND COST FOR SERVICE AS A SPECIFIC CONSIDERATION IN AN ANNUAL REGISTRATION AND PERIODIC INSPECTION OF RENTAL PROPERTIES, SPECIFICALLY HOTELS AND MOTELS. RAY MAYOR, COUNCIL RAY MENDEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, EXCUSE ME. HAVE A LITTLE DIFFICULTY WITH MY VOICE TODAY. UH, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT TO YOU SOME REVISIONS TO OUR RENTAL, LODGING AND REGISTRATION ORDINANCE. UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A TAG TEAM PRESENTATION WITH MYSELF AND CHIEF. UH, HE WAS HERE, UM, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, PART OF THE REVISIONS THAT WE'RE DOING TO THIS ORDINANCE. SO I'LL PROCEED WITH THE FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES AND THEN HE'LL STEP IN HERE TO, UH, WRAP UP THE PRESENTATION. IF YOU RECALL, ON NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THE RENTAL LODGING AND REGISTRATION PROGRAM. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM WAS TO PROMOTE HEALTHY AND SAFE CONDITIONS FOR ALL RENTAL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE TOWN. THIS INCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY, AS WELL AS HOTEL AND MOTEL PROPERTIES. SOME OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE PROGRAM WERE TO ES WE ESTABLISH THE DEFINITIONS THAT AND OUTLINE THE TOWN'S REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THIS PROCESS. UH, IT ALSO ESTABLISH THE AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN TO CONDUCT INSPECTIONS AND TO ISSUE NOTICES FOR ANY VIOLATIONS. IT IDENTIFIES AND ESTABLISHES MINIMUM ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS, SETS AND ESTABLISHES REGISTRATION FEES, AND DEFINES AND ESTABLISHES A PROCESS, UH, A VIOLATION PROCESS, AND ASSOCIATED FEES. THE REGISTRATION PIECE. UH, ALL PROPERTY OWNERS MUST REGISTER THEIR PROPERTIES WITH THE TOWN OF ADDISON. SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES, INCLUDING TOWN HOMES, UH, DUPLEXES AND CONDOMINIUMS ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER, AS WELL AS ALL MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE OUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND HOTEL AND MOTEL, UH, LODGING PROPERTIES. PROPERTY OWNERS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THEIR REGISTRATIONS ANNUALLY AND PAY THE REQUIRED FEES, AND THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DENY, SUSPEND, OR REVOKE REGISTRATIONS BASED ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS. THE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, IF YOU RECALL, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. UH, THE REGISTRATION DEADLINE WAS MARCH 1ST OF THE SAME YEAR, AND THEN ONCE THE APPLICATIONS WERE, OR THE REGISTRATIONS WERE RECEIVED AND THE FEES WERE PAID, THEN WE STARTED CONDUCTING OUR INSPECTIONS. UH, PENALTIES, UH, FOR FAILURE TO REGISTER, UH, CAN RESULT IN FINES OF UP TO $2,000 PER DAY FOR EACH OFFENSE. AND THESE, UH, CAN OCCUR EACH DAY THAT THE VALIDATION CONTINUES TO EXIST. SO OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UH, BASICALLY WHAT WE DID WAS AFTER A YEAR OF, UH, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM, WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH AND WANTED TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE VERBIAGE, UH, TO, UM, KIND OF CLEAR UP SOME MISINTERPRETATIONS AND, UM, CLARIFY A FEW THINGS. UH, UNDER DIVISION ONE FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND DWELLING PROPERTY DUPLEX DWELLINGS, WE CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF RENTAL PROPERTY BY REMOVING THE WORDS EITHER FULLY OR PARTIALLY OCCUPIED. THIS IS, UH, A DEFINITION THAT'S ALSO USED IN ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE THAT ADDRESSES, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO THAT WASN'T REALLY APPROPRIATE IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. SO WE, WE AMENDED THAT BY REMOVING THOSE WORDS ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT THAT CHIEF'S GONNA TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT. WE ALSO ADDED THE DEFINITION FOR A DESIGNATED CITY OFFICIAL, AND YOU'LL SEE LATER ON, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION WHERE THIS FALLS INTO PLAY. UH, WITH REGARD TO ANNUAL REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE WE STARTED THE PROGRAM IN JANUARY, UH, THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE AN ANNUAL REGISTRATION THAT RAN CONCURRENTLY WITH THE CALENDAR YEAR. UH, THAT WASN'T QUITE CLEAR. SO WE CHANGED SUBSECTION B, WHICH READ ANNUAL REGISTRATION SHALL EXPIRE ON THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY. UH, TO READ, ANNUAL REGISTRATION SHALL BE RENEWED EACH CALENDAR YEAR UPON THE DATE OF EXPIRATION, WHICH IS DECEMBER 31ST OF THAT YEAR. UH, WITH REGARD TO INSPECTIONS, UH, THIS IS WHERE THAT DEFINITION THAT I SPOKE OF EARLIER FALLS INTO PLAY. WE ADDED FOLLOWING SUBSECTIONS, E AND F TO READ AS FOLLOWS, FOR HOTEL AND MOTEL GUEST COMPLAINTS, THE TELEPHONE NUMBER AND ADDRESS OF THE DESIGNATED CITY OFFICIAL SHALL BE POSTED IN A PROMINENT LOCATION IN ALL HOTEL GUEST ROOMS AND PUBLIC RECEPTION AREAS. AND THEN A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OPERATOR OR MANAGER OF THE HOTEL OR MOTEL SHALL BE PRESENT AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE DESIGNATED CITY OFFICIAL IN PERSON ON A 24 HOUR BASIS. UH, THIS IS IN CASE THERE'S ANY CALLS THAT COME IN, SOMEBODY HAS TO [02:00:01] BE AVAILABLE, UH, THAT CAN, THAT WE CAN, UH, ADDRESS, UH, THE COMPLAINTS TO AND TRY TO GET THEM ADDRESSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA HAND THIS OVER TO CHIEF AND HE'S GONNA CONTINUE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. CAN I ASK YOU ONE THING ON THAT LAST SLIDE? YES, SIR. BEFORE YOU LEAVE, GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF A COMPLAINT. WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF COMPLAINT FROM THE OCCUPANTS ARE WE LOOKING FOR THEM TO REPORT? OKAY, SO IN, IN THIS SITUATION, IT COULD DEAL WITH A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUE, WHICH WOULD BE, BE HANDLED BY US THROUGH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, DIVISION, OR IT COULD BE, UH, SOME SORT OF A CRIME OR A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, RESULT IN A CALL TO, TO PD. UM, NINE ONE CALL. CORRECT. IT, IT COULD BE LIKE, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, MAYBE SOMEBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT A THEFT OR SOMETHING THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED IN A, IN A ROOM. UH, THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE A 9 1 1 CALL. IT COULD BE A CALL TO DISPATCH OR NON-EMERGENCY THAT COULD BE HANDLED BY THE POLICE AS WELL, NOT BECAUSE EMPLOYEES WERE RUDE TO THEM OR THEY THOUGHT THEY PAID TOO MUCH FOR THE NIGHT'S RENT, IS WHAT? NO, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SOMETHING. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY ITSELF. YES, SIR. CORRECT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CHRIS FREEZE, CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, I'LL PICK UP WHERE RAY LEFT OFF. UM, SO I'M GONNA SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENTS OF THE ADDITIONS TO THE ORDINANCE. UM, THE FIRST TWO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER IS JUST, UH, ADDED DEFINITIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PRIOR WORK SESSION THE CALL FOR SERVICE, UM, WHICH INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO ANY AND ALL CALLS TO EMERGENCY SERVICES. THE RESULT IN A TOWN EMPLOYEE BEING DISPATCHED OR DIRECTED TO THE HOTEL OR MOTEL. UM, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITY THAT OFFICERS SEE THAT GENERATE A WRITTEN REPORT, UM, BUT ALSO THAT MULTIPLE CALLS OF THE SAME NATURE OR CALLS ORIGINATED BY THE HOTEL ITSELF WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION FOR THE ROOT, THE CALL FOR SERVICE ROOM RATIO. THE SECOND DEFINITION WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING IS THE CALL FOR SERVICE ROOM RATIO, WHICH IS DEFINED AS A NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE DIVIDED BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF GUEST ROOMS IN THAT HOTEL MOTEL PROPERTY. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING ADDING A SECTION UNDER THE CURRENT 22 3 0 4 SECTION DENIAL REVOCATION OR SUSPENSION THAT STATES THAT TIER TWO HOTEL MOTELS MAY ALSO BE DENIED IF THEIR CALL FOR SERVICE ROOM RATIO FAILS TO MEET THE TIER ONE CALL FOR SERVICE ROOM RATIO WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF BEING NOTIFIED OF THEIR TIER TWO STANDING. I'LL EXPLAIN THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN THE UPCOMING SLIDES. UM, BUT SINCE WE ARE, WE'RE, UH, ADDING THAT, I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION NOW. UM, THE FOLLOWING, UH, SLIDES WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS A NEW SECTION, UM, FOR, UH, THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HOTEL MOTELS, AND THAT'S SECTION 22 3 0 8. UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. ESSENTIALLY IT'S JUST PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM, TALKING ABOUT HOW THE TOWN WILL GATHER THE DATA TO DETERMINE THE CALL FOR SERVICE ROOM RATIO, HOW THE TOWN WILL NOTIFY THE PROPERTIES OF THEIR STANDING, WHAT CONSTITUTES TIER ONE AND TIER TWO CLASSIFICATIONS, HOW THE PROPERTY CAN APPEAL THAT DECISION, UH, TO THE TOWN IF THEY THINK THAT THAT DATA MIGHT HAVE BEEN GIVEN ERRONEOUSLY. AND THEN ALSO, WHAT ARE THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED IN THAT TIER TWO STANDING. SO TO START THE PROGRAM, UH, UPON THE RECEIPT OF THE ANNUAL APPLICATION, THE TOWN WILL DETERMINE THE CALL FOR SERVICE ROOM RATIO OF ALL HOTELS AND MOTELS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS OF CALL FOR SERVICE DATA. WITH THAT, WE'LL LOOK AT THE CALL FOR SERVICE ROOM RATIO BASED ON THAT DATA AND CLASSIFY THE PROPERTIES INTO ONE OF TWO TIERS. TIER ONE BEING LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO ONE CALL FOR SERVICE PER ROOM, TIER TWO BEING GREATER THAN ONE CALL FOR SERVICE PER ROOM, ANY HOTEL AND MOTEL NOT PREVIOUSLY OPERATING IN THE TOWN BEFORE THIS, UH, UM, THE ANNUAL REGISTRATION WILL BE PRESUMED TO BE A TIER ONE HOTEL, UM, UNLESS IT NEEDS TO BE RECLASSIFIED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS HERE IN JUST A SECOND. SO, UPON COMPLETION OF THE THE PROCESS, THE TOWN WILL, THEY'LL NOTIFY EACH PROPERTY OF THEIR STANDING. IF THEY ARE A TIER ONE HOTEL, NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED. IF THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS A TIER TWO HOTEL, WHICH MEANS THAT BASED ON THEIR PREVIOUS MONTH, UH, 12 MONTHS OF DATA, THEIR CALL FOR SERVICE HAS EXCEEDED THAT THRESHOLD, THEN THEY'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. THE TOWN WILL NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. THE DESIGNATION HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO THEM AS ALLOWED BY LAW. THE DATA SPECIFYING THE CALL FOR SERVICE IDENTIFIED AS HAVING OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY, THE REQUIREMENT OF MANDATORY INSPECTIONS, THE OPPORTUNITY AND PROCEDURES BY WHICH THE OWNER MAY CHALLENGE THE DATA PROVIDED AND SUGGESTED CHANGES IN OPERATIONS TO REACH THEIR TIER ONE CLASSIFICATION. AND SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORK SESSION COULD BE US GOING MEETING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, LOOKING AT THEIR, UM, THEIR PROPERTY, GETTING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MAYBE INCREASED SECURITY LIGHTING, MAYBE THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL SECURITY OFFICERS. ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN DO TO WORK TO [02:05:01] MO LOWER THEIR CALL FOR SERVICE, UH, RATIO. IN ADDITION TO THAT, EVEN IF THEY'RE A TIER ONE PROPERTY AT INITIAL CLASSIFICATION, AT ANY POINT IN TIME WE CAN RERUN THE NUMBERS AND BASED ON THAT POINT IN TIME, RIGHT THEN IF THAT IS ANNUALIZED THAT THEY WOULD THEN MOVE TO A TIER TWO CLASSIFICATION. WE WOULD NOTIFY THE PROPERTY THEN SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE TRENDING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU'RE LIKELY BE TIER TWO. WE WANT YOU TO START IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE OUR PROPERTY OWNERS, GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE THAT WAY WE'RE NOT JUST HITTING THEM AT THE VERY END SAYING, HEY, THE PAST 12 MONTHS WE HAVEN'T COMMUNICATED WITH YOU. WE KNEW YOU WERE TRENDING IN THE WRONG WAY, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA TRY TO HIT YOU WITH THESE FINES OR LOOKING AT REVOKING YOUR CO. THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS JUST TO GET PROPERTY OWNERS TO HELP DO THEIR PART AND BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH US AS WE'RE TRYING TO BE WITH THEM. SO, AS STATED EARLIER, UPON CLASSIFICATION OR RECLASSIFICATION TO TIER TWO, THE OWNER OPERATOR WILL HAVE 10 CALENDAR DAYS TO REPORT TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR STAFF THAT THE REVISED CALLER SERVICE ROOM RATIO IS ERRONEOUS. THAT TOWN WILL THEN HAVE 10 DAYS TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN RESPOND. IF EVERYTHING SHOWS TO BE TRUE, THEN THAT CLASSIFICATION WILL STAND AFTER THAT POINT. THEY HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE NOTICE TO CORRECT OR IMPLEMENT CHANGES IN OPERATION THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED TO GO FROM THEIR TIER TWO TO TIER ONE. AS SAID IT EARLIER, THAT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC CO REVOCATION. WE JUST WANNA SAY THAT, HEY, WE'VE GIVEN YOU RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS TO IMPLEMENT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO START TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT TIER ONE WITHIN THAT SIX MONTHS, BUT WE NEED TO SEE IMPROVEMENT BEFORE. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE CAN TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THEM. WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE OPPORTUNITY, YOU'RE NOT WARMING TO, TO WORK WITH US. SO THEN WE CAN MOVE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DIRECT APPROACH WITH SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES. WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVE OF THE ORDINANCE. THE AMENDMENTS WILL ASSIST STAFF IN CLARIFYING SOME AMBIGUITY AS RAY MENTIONED, BUT THEN ALSO EXISTING ORDINANCE, PROVIDER REVIEW PROCESSES THAT ANALYZES PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSES BASED ON A CALL FOR SERVICE RATIO. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WHO HAS QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF OR RAY? I DO. YES, SIR. I START, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORK SESSION, BRIAN, THANK YOU. UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORK SESSION THAT THE OWNERS AREN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS ON PROPERTY. THEY MAY BE OUTTA STATE, OUTTA COUNTRY. I'D ASKED, ARE WE GOING TO GIVE THEM THIS ORDINANCE, UH, AMENDMENT CONTRACT THAT THEY SIGN, ACKNOWLEDGE THEY'VE RECEIVED IT, THEY UNDERSTAND THE STIPULATIONS TO TIER ONE, TIER TWO, AND THE IMPLICATIONS WILL, DO WE, ARE WE GOING TO EXECUTE THAT WITH THE OWNERS? YEAH. SO ALL, ALL COMMUNICATION IS GONNA BE WITH THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, THOSE THAT ACTUALLY CAN MAKE THE DECISION OF EITHER MAKING CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY, BRINGING ON ADDITIONAL SECURITY PERSONNEL, THINGS, MEANING WHEN THEY SEND THAT CONTRACT BACK, THEY'LL HAVE TO KNOW, HAVE CLEARLY ACKNOWLEDGED THIS NEW THANK YOU CHIEF. OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I WAS HOPING WE WOULD GO A LITTLE FURTHER. I MEAN, I, I, I KNOW TAKING SOMEONE'S CO IS PRETTY DRASTIC THAT ESSENTIALLY PUTS 'EM OUTTA BUSINESS. BUT I WAS HOPING WE WOULD DO MORE THAN JUST A THOUSAND OR A 3000 ONCE A YEAR. I MEAN, THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS TO REDUCE THE CALLS, REDUCE SOME OF THE STRESS AND STRAIN THAT'S PUTTING ON POLICE AND FIRE. AND I'M NOT SURE JUST A 1000 OR A $3,000 FINE WHERE REALLY GET THERE. I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA COMPILE THE NUMBERS, WE'RE GONNA MAKE AN ASSESSMENT, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO A WHOLE YEAR. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND LIGHTING OR RECOMMEND A SECURITY GUARD. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE JUST CHARGING A FEE FOR EVERY SINGLE POLICE CALL OR FIRE CALL? I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD GO A LOT FURTHER THAN JUST A ONE-TIME FEE. YEAH. SO THE, THE ORDINANCE DOES PROPOSE THAT FEE STRUCTURE THAT, THAT THE TOWN CAN IMPOSE ON THAT. UM, AND TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, WE'RE NOT GOING AN ENTIRE YEAR. THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW US TO TAKE ACTION WITHIN AS SOON AS SIX MONTHS AS AN OPTION. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY, WE WOULD DO THAT IN SOME CASES, MAYBE WE DID, BUT THAT, I DON'T WANT IT TO COME OFF AS THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'VE IMPLEMENTED, IMPLEMENTED A PROGRAM, AND THEN WE HAVE TO WAIT ESSENTIALLY 18 MONTHS, THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS AND ANOTHER 12 MONTHS. UM, I THINK IT'S THE CASE BY CASE. AND BASED ON THE EGREGIOUSNESS OF THE PROPERTY AND THE CALLS FOR SERVICE WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING, UM, I THINK FOR SOME INSTANCES WE COULD TAKE QUICKER ACTION AND THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR THAT. BUT, AND THE ORDINANCE SAYS ALLOW TO, TO GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE FINING FOR EVERY SINGLE POLICE CALL OR FIRE CALL. UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S FOR EVERY, I NEED TO LOOK THROUGH THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE. UM, I THINK IT'S JUST, UH, THE 1000, 3000 FOR THE APPLICATION, BUT THEN THE FEE DOES ALLOW FOR ANY DAY THAT THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, I [02:10:01] WOULD LOVE TO GET TO THAT POINT. UH, AND THEN ALSO SOMEHOW IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE PLACES, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S A, A HOTEL, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS A HIGH CRIME AREA AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, INCENTIVE FOR THOSE OPERATORS TO ACT PROPERLY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IF THAT CAN BE PART OF MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE FEEDBACK FROM CHRIS. WOULD YOU WANT IT QUARTERLY INSTEAD OF SIX MONTHS? I WOULD, THAT'S GONNA BE MY POINT. YEAH, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANNA JUMP TO QUARTERLY VERSUS SIX MONTHS. WELL, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS CREATE TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN ON YOU GUYS AND UM, MORE PAPERWORK. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME OPERATORS AND WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND THERE'S PROBABLY JUST A FEW WHO, UM, PROBABLY WON'T CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR IF THERE WAS A WAY TO START CHARGING PER CALL. I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT BE THE KIND OF THING TO GET THEIR ATTENTION DONE. YES. OTHER, OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS, ARE WE BREAKING NEW GROUND HERE OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE ELSEWHERE? TRIED AND TRUE? NO. THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ORDINANCES THAT ARE SO WE'RE NOT BREAKING NEW GROUND HERE LEGALLY? NO, SIR. OR SIR PROCEDURALLY? NO, SIR. OKAY. UM, YOU ANSWERED THE TIER ONE AND TIER TWO. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF GOING TO, TO MAYBE ONE MORE TIER, A TIER THREE? AND THAT'S WHERE REVOCATION IS, IS CALLED FOR TIER ONE. YOU'RE IN GOOD STANDING. TIER TWO, YOU'RE ON SHAKY GROUND TIER THREE, WE'RE TAKING MORE ACTION. JUST A QUESTION, A COMMENT. UH, IT SEEMS TO ME TO GET TO CHRIS'S POINT, WHEN WE START DOING MORE FREQUENT FINES, THAT SEEMS TO BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT AREA. AND HOW WILL WE BE PARTNERING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT? BECAUSE I THINK THE SAME PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE HAVING THESE PROBLEMS WOULD ALSO BE HAVING CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AS WELL. YES SIR. YEAH. AND SO ARE WE LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND REALLY GET MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH OUR TIER TWOS OVER? YOU KNOW, TO, TO YOUR POINT ON QUARTERLY, I'M ALL FOR QUARTERLY AS WELL. UH, YEARLY SEEMS A LITTLE BIT LONG. UH, SIX MONTHS IS IF YOU'RE A TIER ONE, YOU TO, IN MY EYES, IF WE RATE YOU A TIER ONE, YOU GET A ONE YEAR REPRIEVE, WE WON'T BE BACK FOR A YEAR UNLESS IT GOES DOWNHILL. QUICK TIER TWO, STEP IT UP TO A QUARTERLY, UH, REVIEW ON THEM. UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE THAT MANY THAT FALL INTO A TIER TWO THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA CREATE SO MUCH MORE WORK. UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE FREQUENCY ON THAT MYSELF. UH, AND LIKE I SAY, CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN WRITE A, IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF CODE, YOU CAN WRITE A DAILY FINE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT. YEAH. AND, AND I WANT TO SAY THO THOSE FINES ALREADY EXIST. WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE. SO THAT IS NOT REPLACING ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE. IF THAT, IF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WERE ABLE TO FIND THEM FOR ANY OTHER, UH, VIOLATION OF CODE THAT'S ALREADY TAKING PLACE. WE'RE STRICTLY SPEAKING OF JUST THE CALL FOR SERVICE RATIO. UM, AND AT SIX MONTHS, I MEAN, FROM THE TIME WE IMPLEMENT THIS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX MONTHS IF ON CONCEPTION, RIGHT? UH, OF THIS PROGRAM. MM-HMM . WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT IS TIERED TWO BY ORDINANCE. THEY HAVE SIX MONTHS TO GET INTO THAT TIER ONE STANDING, OR THEIR CO COULD BE REVOKED. SO WE'RE ALREADY VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE TIMELINE, 'CAUSE I THINK WHAT I MIGHT BE HEARING IS, I THINK THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION, HEY, WE'RE ONLY GONNA CHECK IT ONCE A YEAR, ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS. ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS, WE WE'RE SAYING WE CAN CHECK IT AT ANY TIME. SO IT CAN BE AT ANY TIME WE CAN GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS, YOU'RE NOW INTO TIER TWO. SO IT'S NOT A, WE'RE ONLY GONNA CHECK IT. OKAY. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT SOUNDED, SO THAT THAT CLEARS THAT UP A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. THANK YOU ON THAT. ARE THERE ANY, WHAT, WHAT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM BASICALLY FOR PAIN TO BE TO PAY INTO PLAY, BASICALLY, WHAT IF THEY JUST SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA PARTICIPATE AS FAR AS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO HELP LOWER THEIR CLASSIFICATION, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY OUR RENTAL FEES THAT, THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING. AND DO WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE NOW THAT ARE KIND OF CLOSING THE DOOR WHEN WE GO TO TALK TO 'EM? WELL, AND AGAIN, THE, THE REVOCATION OF CO HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN OPTION UNDERNEATH THE ORDINANCE THAT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE, THAT'S, THAT OPTION'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THE TABLE. I THINK THAT'S PART OF CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GET INVOLVED AND KEEP THIS ADDISON WAY OUT OF IT. IF WE, IF WE COME TO AND WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE AN ISSUE, THE THE ADDISON WAY SHOULD BE, THESE ARE OUR, THESE ARE OUR STANDARDS. YOU NEED TO LIVE UP TO THEM. MY MY MY POINT ON THAT, AND ONE THING THAT I WANNA, THIS IS ALL ONE PROGRAM. THESE, THESE TWO THINGS. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE [02:15:01] ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT THIS IS ALL ONE PROGRAM THAT'S GONNA WORK TOGETHER HAND IN HAND. AND SO, UM, LIKE WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYBODY, I THINK WE HAD A FEW THAT WERE LATE, SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF LATE ONES, BUT EVERYONE THAT REGISTERED HAS PAID THE REGISTRATION FEES, RIGHT? I MEAN, AND SO THE, THE PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER. IF, IF WE'RE OUT ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE AND WE'RE SEEING THINGS, WE'RE GONNA TALK TO PD. IF PDS OUT AND THEY'RE SEEING THINGS, THEY'RE GONNA TALK TO US. UM, AND IT'S THE SAME ON CODE ENFORCEMENT. IF THERE'S ISSUES, THEN WE'RE NOT JUST OUT THERE CHECKING ONCE A YEAR. WE'RE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT ISSUES, WHEN WE THINK THAT THERE'S ISSUES, IF THEY'RE A CHRONIC PERSON THAT CONSTANTLY HAS ISSUES, WE'LL CHECK THEM MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR. OKAY. THAT, THAT SATISFIES MY DESIRE TO KEEP A CLOSER EYE. YES, SIR. OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COUNCILMAN? YES. UH, WITH RESPECT TO THOSE, UH, BUSINESSES THAT ACTUALLY HAD VIOLATIONS, UH, THAT WERE FOUND DURING THE COURSE OF THE INSPECTIONS, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD VERY GOOD RESULTS IN TERMS OF WHEN WE WENT BACK TO DO THE FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS WHERE ALL THOSE CORRECTIONS HAD ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED BY THAT TIME, ALL THOSE VIOLATIONS HAD BEEN CORRECTED BY THAT TIME. THAT'S ALL WE ASKED. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. JUDGE MARLON, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. HEY, RAY, YOU SAID EVERYBODY THAT, UH, HAS REGISTERED HAS PAID YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. UM, HAS EVERYBODY REGISTERED? YES. OKAY. UH, ALL OF ALL OF THE APARTMENT, UH, COMPLEXES, THE HOTEL MOTELS HAVE ALL REGISTERED. UH, WE HAD, UH, GENERATED A, UH, I, I GUESS A NUMBER FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEXES THAT WE THOUGHT, UH, THAT WERE OUT THERE THAT WOULD REGISTER. UH, WE FELL SHORT OF THAT NUMBER. UH, THERE'S A DIFFICULTY IN TRYING TO ASCERTAIN EXACTLY HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE. WE, WE TRY TO DO, DO THAT THROUGH THE PER DISTRICT RECORDS. UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO FIND. BUT, UH, WE DID HAVE SOME HELP FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WHO PROVIDED US WITH INFORMATION ON PROPERTIES THAT WERE BEING LEASED OUT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE FOLLOWED UP ON THOSE. GOT IT, GOT IT. SO THE ANNUAL PERMIT FEE FOR TIER ONE AND TIER TWO, IS THAT ON TOP OF THE ANNUAL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES REGISTRATION FEE? THERE ISN'T. IS THERE A FEE FOR, FOR THE HOTEL MOTELS? UH, T UH, $1,000 FOR TIER ONE PROPERTIES, $3,000 FOR TIER TWO PROPERTIES. OKAY. SO THAT'S ALREADY ON TOP OF, OF THE, WHAT WE'RE ALREADY CHARGING THEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES REGISTRATION. I THOUGHT WE WERE, WE WERE NOT GONNA ADD, IF THEY WEREN'T OFFENDERS, I THOUGHT THEIR ANNUAL REGISTRATION WOULD BE THEIR ANNUAL REGISTRATION. WE WEREN'T GONNA ADD ANYTHING ON TOP OF THAT. SO, SO WE ARE CHARGING THE ANNUAL REGISTRATION FREE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UH, FROM, UH, CHIEF'S PRESENTATION. THIS WOULD BE, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIER THEY LANDED IN AND IF THEY'RE IN TIER ONE, THEY'RE NON NON OFFENDERS PER THIS PROGRAM. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE, I DON'T, I DISAGREE WITH CHARGING NON OFFENDERS THAT ARE ALREADY PAYING THE ANNUAL REGISTRATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES PROGRAM. IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE INITIALLY, UH, UH, WERE BROUGHT FORTH THIS, THIS, UH, THIS ORDINANCE IDEA. SO YEAH. THAT, THAT IS JUST, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT CONSTANT, CONSISTENT TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. SO I'M, I'M, I'M AGAINST THAT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN NOTICES, UH, CHIEF, I, I THINK I WANNA JUST CONFIRM WE'RE GONNA SEND THOSE IN WRITING. YES, SIR. AMONG, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA CONTACT MANY WAYS, BUT WE ARE GONNA SEND ALL NOTICES IN WRITING. YES, SIR. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, ON THIS ROOM SIGNAGE WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME, WE'RE GONNA MANDATE ROOM SIGNAGE AND THEN THEY CALL THE DCO, UM, DO WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC VERBIAGE THAT, THAT WE'RE MANDATING FOR THAT? BECAUSE THAT KIND OF SEEMS TO BE LIKE, THAT COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE WE'RE CREATING FOR OURSELVES. WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES THAT WE'VE TAKEN FROM OTHER ORDINANCES THAT BASICALLY SAY, UH, IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT, UH, RELATED TO THIS PROPERTY, YOU CAN CONTACT THE DESIGNATED OFFICIAL CITY OFFICIAL AT THIS NUMBER. OKAY. UH, OUR INTENT IS TO USE THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER FOR THAT SIGNAGE, UH, BECAUSE BY CALLING THAT NUMBER, THEY GET TO DISPATCH AND THEY HAVE, UH, NUMBERS THERE FOR ON-CALL PERSONNEL WHO CAN BE CALLED OUT IF NECESSARY. OKAY. SO THAT, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, THAT SIGNAGE IS ALIGNED WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THAT ARE, THAT HAVE THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE ANSWERS. THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE I HAVE IS, IS WHAT WE BROUGHT ABOUT WITH THE EXTRA EXTRA PROGRAM. AND, EXCUSE ME, SIR, I MISSPOKE EARLIER. THAT IS NOT, IN ADDITION TO THAT IS THE FINE THAT WOULD BE, UM, ASSESSED IF THEY ARE TIER ONE, THE, UH, ANNUAL PERMIT FEE IS GOING TO BE 1000. THAT'S NOT IN ADDITION TO THE, WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY BEING CHARGED. IF THEY'VE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS A TIER TWO PREVIOUSLY, THEN THAT ANNUAL FEE IS 3000 BUCKS. YEAH. I GUESS THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES REGISTRATION FEE ANNUAL. IS THAT UNDER 22? [02:20:01] 3 0 2? YES. THAT'S THE FEE THAT WE NORMALLY CHARGE. IT'S, UH, FOR, UM, SO MOTEL, I WOULD, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS NOT THE INTENT. THE INTENT IS NOT TO CHARGE TIER ONE. SO WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE, JUST IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR SO WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR IN THE LANGUAGE. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, THE NON OFFENDERS NOT BEING CHARGED ANY ADDITIONAL. UM, SO ON, ON SLIDE, UH, FIVE B, UM, UH, SLIDE NINE, IT'S A CALLS FOR SERVICE DEFINITION RATIO. UH, I GUESS THAT STANDS ALONE. AND WHEN YOU EVER USE IT, UH, FURTHER DOWN IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, OR IN THE DEFINITION, IT'S, IT'S CALLED ANNUAL OR, UH, ON A SIX MONTH BASIS OR WHATEVER. SO THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANNUAL DEFINED RIGHT HERE? UH, CORRECT. SO THE, THE CALL FOR RATIO IS SET FORTH AS THE NUMBER OF CALLS WITHIN THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD. AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT MORE INCREMENTAL FINES AND FEES AND, UM, I SEE THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT WE DON'T DO THAT. AND, UM, MAYBE QUARTERLY IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SIX MONTHS IS GOOD FOR NOW. A AS AS THE POLICE CHIEF AND WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE, DOES THIS STRUCTURE GIVE YOU THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. HOWARD JUDSON? YEAH, A COUPLE THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT IS THE FEE, BUT I THOUGHT THE FEE, LIKE RAY SAID WAS $40 A ROOM. SO COULD THE THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST BE ELIMINATED? BECAUSE JUST WHENEVER YOU MAKE, WHENEVER YOU ALL MAKE THE MOTION, JUST MAKE IT VERY CLEAR IN THE MOTION. OKAY. THAT THOUSAND'S GONNA GO AWAY. AND THE OTHER QUESTION, CORRECT. FOR TIER ONE? YEAH. SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, THIS IS JUST HOTELS AND MOTELS. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO APARTMENTS. NO, SIR. THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE IS JUST FOR HOTEL MOTEL. AND WHY IS THAT? WHY ARE WE NOT, DO WE JUST NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE APARTMENTS AND WE DO WITH HOTELS? I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE COVERED THAT ONE. YEAH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT IN THE WORK SESSION. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH A SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION ON APARTMENTS. SO WE'RE GONNA, WE ARE GONNA COME BACK AND HAVE A SIMILAR CONVERSATION. IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE JUST BECAUSE APARTMENTS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON DRAFTS OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. SO WE'RE GONNA COME BACK FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION ON APARTMENTS. THANK YOU. SO ALONG WITH, TO FOLLOW UP ON HOW THE HOTEL MOTEL, THIS, THIS IS HOTEL MOTEL. YES SIR. NOT LONG-TERM RENTALS. IF I HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT IS RENTING THEIR HOUSE, THEY ARE NOT GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS. NO, SIR. THIS IS JUST FOR HOTEL, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IT'S GONNA BE RENT OR THE AIRBNB. WOULD THAT BE MORE CONSIDERED A HOTEL MOTEL BECAUSE IT'S A SHORT TERM? NO, SIR. THIS IS JUST SET UP FOR BUSINESSES THAT ARE DEFINED. HOTEL MOTEL. YES SIR. NO MATTER HOW THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESS, AS LONG AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SET UP AS HOTEL MOTEL. YES SIR. AND HOTEL MOTEL IS CLEARLY DEFINED WITHIN THE WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? YEAH, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE B WITH THE CONDITION THAT THERE WILL BE NO ANNUAL PERMIT FEES FOR, UH, FOR ANY HOTEL MOTELS THAT FALL IN TIER ONE. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION SECOND FROM DAN. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT NO ANNUAL FEES, MEANING NO ADDITIONAL ANNUAL FEES, UH, UH, ABOVE THE UM, INSPECTION PROGRAM. I MEANT TO SAY NO. ANNUAL PERMIT FEES, I DUNNO IF I SAID THAT OR NOT, BUT NO ANNUAL PERMIT FEES? NO ADDITIONAL. NO ADDITIONAL. NO ADDITIONAL. THERE IS A FEE FOR 40 A ROOM. MM-HMM . THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CLARIFY. I THINK THE WORD ADDITIONAL, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WANNA USE, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH SAYING ADDITIONAL. OKAY. I'M GOOD. ALRIGHT, GREAT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND THE OF THE DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. ITEM FIVE B IS APPROVED. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU RAY. YOU. ALRIGHT. [c. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution authorizing the City Manager to execute a bundled, multi-year agreement with Axon Enterprise, Inc. for the purchase, licensing, and support of law enforcement technology solutions in an amount not to exceed $273,098.18 due at signing and an annual recurring fee $275,175.69 for subsequent years; and providing an effective date.] ITEM FIVE C PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A BUNDLED MULTI-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH AXON ENTERPRISE INC. FOR THE PURCHASE, LICENSING AND SUPPORT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND NINETY EIGHT DOLLARS AND 18 CENTS DUE AT 19 AT SIGNING IN AN ANNUAL RECURRING FEE OF $275,175 69 CENTS FOR SUBSEQUENT YEARS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. HAMID. GOOD EVENING. UH, COUNSEL, UH, HAMID KPU, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INTERNAL SERVICES. THIS PRESENTATION WILL GUIDE US, UH, THROUGH THE CURRENT STATUS OF EXISTING CONTRACT WITH AXON AND HIGHLIGHT WHY THIS UPGRADE IS BOTH TIMELY AND NECESSARY TO DO. CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACT WITH AXON. ONE IS FOR THE TASER, WHICH IS ALREADY, UH, EXPIRED JANUARY, 2025 LOUDER. OKAY. AND UH, THE SECOND ONE, UH, IS FOR THE BODY CAM AND INTERVIEW ROOM THAT WILL BE EXPIRED IN OCTOBER, 2026. AND, UH, [02:25:01] THE TASER THAT THEY'RE AT THE END OF THE LIFE CYCLE AND WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY WARRANTY FOR THEM AND, UH, UH, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY SERVICE FOR 'EM IN CASE OF THE FAILURE. THE ACTION CONTRACT THAT IS, UH, UH, BEFORE YOU, UH, IS A BUNDLE MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT TO REPLACE TASER SEVEN WITH TASER ON MODEL 10, REPLACE BODY CAM MODEL THREE WITH MODEL FOUR AND REPLACE THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW ROOM CAM CAMERA SYSTEM. AND AS PART OF THAT CONTACT ALSO INTRODUCED TECHNOLOGY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO ENHANCE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. VIRTUAL TRAINING EQUIPMENT FOR COTTAGE FREE PRACTICE, CONFINED SPACE DEESCALATION SCENARIO, AND TRAIN THE TRAINER THE KEY ADVANTAGE OF THE TASER 10 OVER THE TASER SEVEN. I TRY TO IDENTIFY IT HERE. IT HAS A LONGER RANGE HIGHER CARTRIDGE CAPABILITY, WHICH IS GOES FROM THE 10 VERSUS TWO INDIVIDUALLY. TARGET PROBES FOR PRECISION IMPROVE WEATHER RESISTANCE, ENHANCE DEESCALATION TWO LIKE BLINKING LIGHT AND AUDIBLE ALERT KEY ADVANTAGE OF THE AXON BODY. CAM CAM FOUR OVER THE BODY CAM THREE, IT'S HIGH VIDEO RESOLUTION, WIDER FIELD OF VIEW, FASTER CHARGING AND LONGER UH, BATTERY LIFE. DOUBLE A STORAGE CAP CAPACITY, WHICH THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. STRONG, UH, ENCRYPTION FROM 2 56 VERSUS 1 28. ACTUALLY WHEN I SAW THAT MY BLOOD PRESSURE LOWER, UH, STABILIZED BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY STRONG ENCRYPTION THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN. OFFSHORE CAMERA, A MODEL FOR ALTERNATE ANGLE, BIDIRECTIONAL UH, COMMUNICATION DURING LIVE STREAMING. THIS IS PRETTY COOL, UH, FEATURE THAT, UH, COMES WITH THIS SYSTEM THAT ANYTIME THE OFFICER COULD PUSH A BUTTON AND HAVE A LIVE CONVERSATION WITH THEIR, UH, SUPERVISOR AT THE BASE IN CASE THERE ARE NEED GUIDANCE AND IMPROVE, UH, BATTERY DURABILITY AND MAGNETIC CHARTER. ALSO, ALSO AS PART OF THEIR AGREEMENT, AXON COMING WITH A NEW CORE OPERATING SYSTEM FEATURE, WHICH IS AI DRIVEN AS A REAL TIME TRANSLATION OF 50 PLUS LANGUAGES. I WAS A LITTLE UPSET 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY FARSI, WHICH THAT'S ONE NATIVE LANGUAGE, UH, GENERAL KNOWLEDGE Q AND A, UH, POLICY ACCESS IN THE FIELD, INTEGRATION OF VIDEO LPR AND INTELLIGENT SOURCES AND FUTURE READY DRAWN INTEGRATION IN CASE WE GET TO THE SITUATION THAT WE BUY OR, UH, LEASE DRAWN FOR OUR SERVICES. THIS BUNDLE, UH, PROJECT IS A, UH, FIVE YEARS PROJECT THAT WE WOULD, UH, PAY IN FIVE DIFFERENT INSTALLMENT AND, UH, IT'S UH, COMES OUT OF THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, UH, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AND IT'S ALIGNED WITH THE CAPITAL PLANNING AND REPLACEMENT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AT THIS TIME. I HAVE, UH, ENTERTAINED ANY QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. ALSO, CHIEF AND TJ ARE HERE IN CASE THERE IS ANY TECHNICAL OR, UH, QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE FEATURE WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS OR TALK ABOUT. THANK YOU. HOW QUESTIONS? WAS THAT IN THE BUDGET? DID WE IT WAS IN THE, UH, YES SIR. SO WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THIS AMOUNT. WHEN WE APPROVED IT, IT WAS PART OF THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FUND THAT WAS PRESENTED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT IN ADDITION. OKAY, THANK YOU. NO SIR. OTHER QUESTIONS? RANDY? IS THIS AXION, IS IT THE ONLY MANUFACTURER THAT THAT IS OUT THERE? HAVE WE LOOKED AT OTHER TO COMPARE WELL TO THE PERFORMANCE OF OTHERS? WELL, INITIALLY WHEN WE BUY THE AXION, WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT, UH, TECHNOLOGY, BUT SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE AXON AND WE ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE OPERATION AND, UH, SYSTEM, WE DECIDE TO CONTINUE WITH AXON AND THEY ARE WIDELY GLOBALLY KNOWN. THEY ARE PREDOMINANTLY THIS, UH, FIELD. HAVE, HAVE WE HAD ISSUES WITH, WITH THE OTHER SPECS OF THE SEVEN, THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU SEEM TO BE EXCITED ABOUT WAS THE 2 56. WELL THAT'S, THAT'S FROM THE IT AND TECHNOLOGY ASPECT AND MANAGING THE NETWORK. I GET IT. CHIEF COULD HAVE, WE HAD, HAVE WE HAD ANY ISSUES WITH NOT HAVING ENOUGH ANGLE OR, UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE, THE TASER SETTING? UH, NO, NO. WELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CAMERAS WHERE THE, THE VIEWING ANGLE WAS LARGER WITH THE 10 THAN, THAN WHAT WE'RE, WELL OR THE, I MAY, I MAY GET THE TASER IS THE 10, I APOLOGIZE. BUT THE NEW CAMERAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT UPGRADING TO SEEMED TO BE A SLIGHTLY LARGE WIDER SCREEN VIEW. IT, IT, THE, THE AXON BODY FOUR CAMERAS ARE JUST [02:30:01] A, A BETTER TECH NEWER TECHNOLOGY. IT ALLOWS AXON ASSISTANT, LIKE AMID SAID THAT WE, WE CAN UPLOAD OUR POLICY. IT HAS MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, UH, TRANSLATIONS WE HAVE ACCESS TO, WE HAVE LIVE FEED. UM, SO IT'S JUST A BETTER PRODUCT. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT IT'S BEING DEPLOYED IN THE FIELD NOW. AXON BODY THREE, IT'S JUST ANTIQUATED TECHNOLOGY. OKAY, GOTCHA. THE THE, THE OTHER LANGUAGES INTRIGUED ME WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THE OFFICER CAN UTILIZE OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING IN THE RECORDING? IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK NO SIR. NO SIR. ON THE CAMERA. YOU CAN GO IN, YOU CAN ACCESS IT, UM, YOU CAN SELECT THE LANGUAGE. UM, IT'S GOT 300, I MEAN JUST RIDICULOUS AMOUNT. BUT THE OFFICER WOULD BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH A PERSON THAT DIDN'T SPEAK THAT WE HAVE A DIFFERENT, A LANGUAGE BARRIER WITH RECOGNIZES YOU WOULD SPEAK, IT WOULD TRANSLATE IN ENGLISH TO THE OFFICER. THE OFFICER WOULD SPEAK IT WOULD THEN TRANSLATE THAT. THAT'S AMAZING LANGUAGE BACK TO THE PERSON. OKAY. ACTUALLY, ONE OF OUR OFFICERS WENT TO ONE OF THE FAST FOOD AND AND THE UH, UH, COUNTER PERSON WAS SPANISH AND HE IN ENGLISH, HE CONVERTED THE SPANISH AND THEN CONVERTED BACK TO ENGLISH INDIVIDUAL OFFICE. WAS AMAZING THAT THAT IS A TOOL THAT WE ALWAYS NEEDED. THE LANGUAGE BARRIER IS A HUGE ISSUE AND THAT ALONE IS, IS A, IS A GOOD REASON. SO DAN, QUICK QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FROM READING THE NOTES AND THANK YOU FOR WHOEVER ASKED THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TASERS AND BODY CAM. SO WITH THE COST INCREASE, WE'RE ALSO GETTING ADDITIONAL UNITS, CORRECT? 20, IT LOOKS LIKE I'M DOING THE MATH RIGHT. 20 NEW ADDITIONAL TASERS AND FIVE ADDITIONAL NEW BODY CAMERA UNITS. NO, WE ARE, SORRY. THANK YOU CHAD. UH, WE ARE GETTING, UH, FIVE ADDITIONAL, UH, TASER AND FIVE ADDITIONAL BODY CAM. OKAY. BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE 70 AND 65. OKAY. I SAW 55. I SAW 55 TASERS. 10 AND 10. 10 AND 10. I'M SORRY, 10 AND 10. SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL THAT'S OH ABSOLUTELY. PLUS INCREASE. ABSOLUTELY. YES. AND THEN WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE FOR INTERVIEWS IN FARSI IF WE HAVE TO RUN INTO THAT? OH, I WOULD LOVE TO. YOU'LL BE THE TRANSLATOR, OF COURSE. I DON'T WANNA GET A TICKET. THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. THANK YOU. . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST, JUST ONE. HAVE WE BEEN PAYING ANNUALLY FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE RETIRING? HAVE WE HAD THIS COST ALL ALONG ANYWAY? YES. IS IT THE SAME OR IS IT GOING UP? NO, IT'S BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. OF COURSE THE NEW TECHNOLOGY HAS COST MORE AND THE QUANTITY HAS INCREASED AS WELL. BUT WE WERE WITH THE OLD EQUIPMENT, WE STILL HAD AN ANNUAL FEE SIMILAR TO THIS. AND SO WE'RE JUST, BECAUSE WE ARE BUNDLING AND WE ARE GETTING REFUND FOR THE EXISTING CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE, UH, BODY CAM AND MEET THAT WHERE WE SYNCHRONIZE BOTH THE CONTRACT WITH THE AXON TASER AND BODY CAM TO ONE, BUT WE GET 28,000 REFUND FOR THAT CONTRACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HAVE WE LOOKED AT, AT BUNDLING WITH OTHER TOWNS THAT USE THE SAME TECHNOLOGY? IF, IF WE, IF WE USE A COMMON DISPATCH, WE USE COMMON THINGS ALL AROUND. HAVE WE LOOKED AT BUNDLING WITH RICHARDSON OR FARMERS, ANOTHER TOWN THAT IS CLOSE TO US THAT WE DO FOR, FOR A BETTER BUNDLING SITUATION? OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO STANDALONE? TYPICALLY THESE CONTRACTS ARE STANDALONE. UM, NOW THERE ARE SOME, UH, THINGS THAT WE CAN BUNDLE LIKE WITH INTECH BECAUSE THAT IS A SHARED RESOURCE. SO IF THEY'RE GONNA ROLL OUT DFR DRONE FIRST RESPONDER, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PAY INTO AS A CONSORTIUM. BUT CONTRACTS LIKE THIS IS AGENCY SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT'S OUR OWN CLOUD STORAGE, IT'S OUR OWN TASERS. IT'S A CONTRACT SPECIFICALLY TAILORED FOR US. OKAY. I KNOW WE'VE DONE, MAYBE NOT ADDISON, BUT OTHER TOWNS HAVE DONE THE SAME RADIO SYSTEM SO THEY, THEY BUNDLED THEIR HANDHELD RADIOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE DO THAT CURRENTLY. YES. RIGHT. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN REACH OUT SITUATION, SIR, UNDERSTAND IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT, BUT WE HAVE, BUT WE WOULD IF WE COULD AND WE CONT WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AND YEARS COME IF THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND ALSO THE OTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR IS THAT EVERY CITY HAS, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT POLICY REGARDING HOW TO RESTORE, UH, VIDEO, HOW TO ACCESS IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. FOR THAT REASON, IT'S KIND OF EVERYBODY GOES INDEPENDENTLY BECAUSE THE POLICIES DIFFER. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS? QUICK QUESTION ON SLIDE SIX. SO IT INTEGRATES WITH LPR. UM, IS, IS THAT THE SAME OR DOES IT INTEGRATE WITH FLOCK ALSO? YES, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE C? ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA GIVE THAT ONE TO DAN, SECOND TO MARLON. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE C IS APPROVED. THANK YOU HAMID. THANK YOU CHIEF. ALRIGHT, ITEM [d. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution authorizing the City Manager to execute a managed services agreement with Flock Group, Inc. for the license plate reader solutions to provide hardware, software, maintenance, and support in an amount not to exceed $266,132.50 due at signing, with an annual recurring fee of $238,220.00; and providing an effective date.] FIVE D PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A MANAGED SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH FLOCK GROUP INC. FOR THE LICENSE PLATE READER SOLUTIONS TO PROVIDE HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, MAINTENANCE [02:35:01] AND SUPPORT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $266,132 AND 50 CENTS DUE AT SIGNING WITH AN ANNUAL RECURRING FEE OF 238,000, UH, $220 AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. HAMID. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. HAMID KUR, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INTERNAL SERVICES. THIS PRESENTATION WOULD SUMMARIZE HOW THE LPR PROGRAM HAS EVOLVED IN ADDISON SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2018. BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2018, UH, CHIEF OF SPENCER AND I, UM, PRESENTED OVERVIEW OF THE, UH, LICENSE SPREAD, UH, PROGRAM, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF, OF, UH, UH, PILOT, UH, PROJECT IN OCTOBER OF 2018, CANCELED, APPROVED A PILOT PROJECT FUNDED BY 2000, UH, 12, UH, BOND ELECTION. AND THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO INSTALL 20 LPR UNIT AT EIGHT INTERSECTION AND NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRANCES. AND THESE ARE STRATEGICALLY WERE SELECTED BY, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THE PILOT GOAL WAS TO COLLECT DATA FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS AND DRAFT A GUIDING POLICY COVERING INSTALLATION AND OPERATION USE OF COLLECTED INFORMATION, INTEGRATION OF THIRD PARTY SYSTEM LIKE HOV OR HOTELS, CUSTODY CONTROL, SHARING AN ACCESS TO LPR RECORDS AND, UH, EVALUATION. UH, PLAN WAS TO PRESENT DATA, UH, AND ALSO SHOW THE 10 YEAR COST OF OWNERSHIP AND LESSON LEARNED DURING THAT PROCESS. AND SEEK CANCEL APPROVAL FOR THE CITYWIDE EXPANSION FOR A, UH, JUNIOR, A MULTI-PHASE STRATEGY. DECEMBER, 2018, CHIEF OF SEMESTER, UH, UH, PRESENTED, UH, A POLICY GUIDANCE TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING USE OF THE DATA OBTAINED BY THE LPR. IN JANUARY OF 2019. THE FOLLOWING MONTH, COUNCIL ADOPTED THE RECOMMENDED POLICY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED, UH, BY CHIEF FOR MANAGING DATA COLLECTED BY THE LPR AUGUST, 2020. STAFF PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED PRELIMINARY FINDING FROM THE PILOT PROJECT REGARDING THE EXPANSION OF THE LPR SYSTEM IN APRIL OF 2021, CANCEL, APPROVE AND ENTERPRISE SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH VIGILANT FOR SERVICE RELATED TO LPR NETWORK EXPANSION FUNDED BY 2000, UH, 12, UH, BOND ELECTION. AND THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL 60 CAMERAS, UH, FOLLOWING 23 LOCATION BASED ON DATA COLLECTED DURING THE PILOT PROJECT MARCH OF 2024. GOING FORWARD, CANCELED AT THEIR ANNUAL STRATEGIC PLANNING RETREAT, IDENTIFIED THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE SECURITY ISSUE AS A STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE UNDER THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, KEY FOCUS AREA. AND, UH, ONE OF THE INITIATIVES THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD. IT WAS VALUED IN LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, CAMERA NETWORK AND ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL LOCATION. THROUGH THE TIME IN OCTOBER OF 2024, A NEW PILOT PROJECT WAS NEGOTIATED AND SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED WITH A NEW LPR CAMERA. INSTALLED A THREE ADDITIONAL LOCATION THAT IT WAS IDENTIFIED BY CHIEF AND HIS STAFF. DESPITE THE PROJECT AIMED TO EVALUATE FEASIBILITY EFFECTIVENESS AND CUSTOMER SERVICE QUALITY AND RESPONSE OF THE, UH, FLUX SYSTEM AS A POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT FOR THE EXISTING LPR SYSTEM, MAY OF 2025 FALL INTO SUCCESSFUL CONTRIBUTION OF THE PILOT PROJECT AND POSITIVE RESULT OBSERVED DURING THAT, UH, PILOT PROJECT, THE TOWN DECIDED TRANSITION TO THE FLOOD LPR SYSTEM FOR A FULL IMPLEMENTATION JULY OF 2025. CHIEF, UH, , UH, UM, APPLY AND RECEIVE, UH, AN FY 26 GRAND FROM THE MOTOR VEHICLE CREAM CRIME CRIME PREVENTION AUTHORITY FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF LPI NETWORK IN ADDISON. THIS, UH, ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT THAT INCLUDES HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, MAINTENANCE AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT AND SYSTEM UPGRADE AND WARRANTY. AND, UH, THE INITIAL COST IS 266,000 $132 FOR THE FIRST YEAR, WHICH 80% OF THAT COME FROM THE GRAND MONEY. AND 20% OF THAT COMES FROM THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT PLAN AND THE ANNUAL RECURRING [02:40:01] COST IS 238,000. AT THIS I ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. HOW MANY QUESTIONS? MANY QUICK, QUICK QUESTION IF I COULD QUICKLY ASK, GO BACK ONE SLIDE IF YOU DON'T MIND. SO THE ANNUAL RECURRING COST OF 2 3 8 2 20, THAT WILL BE SOLELY ON THE TALENT RESPONSIBILITY OR THE, THE GRANT GOES 80 20 EACH YEAR OF THE THREE YEARS. IT'S ALREADY BEING, UH, PLUGGED IN IN THE IT FUND. HOWEVER, I KNOW THAT CHIEF IS GONNA APPLY FOR THAT GRANT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND HOPEFULLY WE GET IT, THEN THAT WOULD BE SAVING, GOES BACK TO THE IT FUND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING, MARLON. YEAH, TWO QUESTIONS REAL QUICK. ONE FOR ONE FOR CHIEF. UH, CHIEF, UH, THE PROBABILITY OF US GETTING THIS GRANT AGAIN IN FUTURE YEARS. UH, IS THAT HIGH OR DO YOU KNOW? SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEL FOR THAT? YES, SIR. YEAH, IT IS A WELL-FUNDED GRANT, UM, AND IT'S WIDELY KNOWN. OKAY. UM, THIS YEAR THERE'S STILL SEVERAL FUNDS THAT WERE LEFT OVER TO WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR IT. SO YES, I HAD EXPECTED YES, THIS GRANT WE'RE GONNA APPLY FOR IT EVERY YEAR REGARDLESS. AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS I KNOW WE'RE USING THIS IN A, IN A REACTIVE WAY WHEN, WHEN WE NEED TO SOLVE CRIMES, BUT, UM, DO YOU SEE THIS BEING USED IN A, IN A PROACTIVE WAY OR ARE WE GETTING SO MANY, UM, ALERTS THAT, THAT THAT WOULD OUTNUMBER OUR, OUR STAFF, UH, PROACTIVE IN A SENSE THAT, UH, THE BENEFIT OF FLOCK IS THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT NETWORK NATIONWIDE. SO EVEN IF IT'S NOT AN ADDISON OFFENSE, UM, IF THERE'S INFORMATION IN THAT SYSTEM FROM ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, WE'RE NOTIFIED OF THAT. OKAY. LET ME LET, UM, YEAH, LET ME GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. SO W UM, SO WE GET ALERTS IF A CAR'S BEEN STOLEN. OKAY. AND WOULD WE EVER USE THAT LIKE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR SO, OR ANYWHERE, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING, WE GET AN ALERT THAT, THAT THAT CAR IS ENTERED WHEREVER IN IN ADDISON. UM, WOULD WE, WOULD WE BE PURSUING THAT IMMEDIATELY? IS THAT YEAH, YEAH. WE GET REAL TIME NOTIFICATIONS HOW THAT WOULD WORK. OKAY. SO FOR ANY SITUATION LIKE THAT. UM, OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. TO CLARIFY, I THINK I READ WHAT LPR HIT WE HAD AND THEN THE CAR WAS RECOVERED IN EL PASO, IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR. THANK YOU. RANDY, YOU HAD SOMETHING? I DO. THANK YOU THAT MY MAIN QUESTION WAS HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS, SO THAT'S GREAT. GOING BACK TO THE, THE CAMERAS, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SAME QUESTION. IS THERE NO GRANTS FOR THE CAMERA, FOR THE BODY CAMS AND THAT TYPE THING? OR IS THAT TOTALLY ON US? SO THERE ARE GRANTS FOR THAT. UM, THIS GRANT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR MOTOR VEHICLE, UH, CRIME PREVENTION, WHICH FLOCK CAMERAS HELP. DID, DID WE NOT GET A GRANT FOR THESE NEW CAMERAS? FOR THE AXON CAMERAS? NO. OKAY, PERFECT. AND MY, MY MAIN QUESTION IS THE WAY WE'RE USING THESE, SPEAKING FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, WHEN MY, WHEN THEY JUMPED MY GATE AND BROKE INTO MY TRUCK AND STOLE THINGS OUTTA MY TRUCK AND LEFT, I WAS TOLD THE CAMERAS WEREN'T WORKING. WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF TIMES THESE ARE UP DOWN? WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCE ARE WE GONNA GET AND, AND WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF RESULTS ARE WE GETTING FROM THESE CAMERAS NOW? YES SIR. SO MOVING TO FLOCK. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF MOVING TO THAT ONE NEWER TECHNOLOGY ALSO. UM, THEY'RE NOT HARDWIRED, THEY'RE SOLAR POWERED AND FLOCK. THE WAY THE AGREEMENT'S SET UP IS IF ANY TIME THOSE CAMERAS ARE DOWN, FLOCK COMES OUT TO REPLACE THEM. 'CAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LEASE PROGRAM. OKAY. OUR CURRENT SYSTEMS ARE JUST END OF LIFESPAN. THEY'RE HARDWIRED, THE TECHNOLOGY'S ANTIQUATED. IF THEY'RE DOWN, WE HAVE TO CONTACT THE COMPANY WHO THEN THIRD PARTY CONTRACTS TO A SERVICE PROVIDER THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE PARTS. SO IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE OLD CAMERAS BACK ONLINE. THE BENEFIT OF MOVING TO THIS NEWER TECHNOLOGY, THEY'RE RARELY DOWN. IF THEY ARE, THE WAY IT WORKS NOW IS THAT WE ARE IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFIED, UH, OF A CAMERA BEING OFFLINE AND FLOCK IS OUT THERE TO REPLACE IT. ALMOST. WHO, WHO NOTIFIES YOU? WE WOULD NEVER KNOW. THE SYSTEM NOTIFIES US. THE SYSTEM AUTOMATICALLY SIR. SENDS IT. PERFECT. YES SIR. AND WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR OUR ANNUAL OTHER THAN THE LEASE BUYING, THE LEASING OF THE EQUIPMENT, WHO MONITORS THESE? IF, IF I CALL AND SAY, HEY, MY TRUCK WAS BROKEN INTO LAST NIGHT, WHO GETS ON THERE AND LOOKS AT THIS GOOD THING? EVERYBODY, SO ANYBODY THAT, ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY THAT HAS ACCESS TO THE NETWORK. SO FOR EXAMPLE, SO YOU CAN DO THAT. IT'S NOT A THIRD PARTY CAMERAS. I, I CAN BE IN MY OFFICE AS THE CHIEF AND I CAN LOG IN. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOUR VEHICLE AND, AND IT WAS STOLEN, THE OFFICER GETS THAT INFORMATION, WE IMMEDIATELY PUT IT INTO THE FLOCK SYSTEM AND EVERYBODY THAT HAS ACCESS, LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FLOCK SYSTEM CAN LOOK AT THAT. AND DOES THE FLOCK SYSTEM HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF FLAGGING A TAG THAT'S, THAT'S WANTED IF IT'S ENTER AND IF IT ENTERS MY NEIGHBORHOOD? ABSOLUTELY. AND IT'S WANTED IN EL PASO, WE, WE'VE HAD AUTOMATICALLY WE'VE, WE'VE ROLLED OUT THIS PROGRAM ALREADY WITH THOSE PILOT PROGRAMS. SO WE'VE GOTTEN, THE SECOND WE CAME ON, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE FLOCK NETWORK OF CAMERAS. OKAY. ROUTINELY WHERE HE'LL DISPATCH COME ON AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S A VEHICLE THAT'S, UH, GOT A WANTED PER, UH, PLATE ATTACHED TO IT AND IT JUST ENTERED THIS INTERSECTION REAL TIME. OUR OFFICERS CAN GO TO THAT AREA AND START LOOKING FOR THE VEHICLE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLE CAUSE PULL [02:45:01] OVER. YES, SIR. PERFECT. UH, OKAY CHRIS, THANK YOU. YEAH, WE, WE'VE SORT OF TOUCHED ON THE USES OF THIS CAMERA, BUT CAN YOU TAKE TWO SECONDS AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE NEED THEM AND WHY WE'RE BETTER AND WHY WE'RE SAFER WITH THEM? YEAH, SO, UM, IT'S A RESOURCE MULTIPLIER. UM, MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. I'LL KEEP EVEN THE EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, EITHER VEHICLES BROKEN INTO OR VEHICLES STOLEN. AN OFFICER WOULD RESPOND TO THAT, MAYBE GET A VEHICLE DESCRIPTION AND THEN JUST REACHING OUT TO OTHER AGENCIES, HEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY CRIMES THAT MEET THIS MO DO YOU HAVE ANY VEHICLES THAT MATCH THIS DESCRIPTION? EVEN IF WE HAVE A PLATE, HAVE YOU SEEN IT? THAT'S A LOT OF MAN HOURS NOW WITH TECHNOLOGY, THE SECOND WE ENTER THAT PLATE INFORMATION OR THAT VEHICLE INFORMATION IS A DESCRIPTION, ANY FLOCK CAMERA THAT PICKS THAT UP, WE THEN NOW HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO THAT. SO JUST FROM A RESOURCE PERSPECTIVE OF SOLVING CRIMES, UM, OFFICER SAFETY NOTIFICATIONS TO WHERE IF SOMEBODY'S ENTERING THE TOWN AND THEIR VEHICLE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN A PREVIOUS OFFENSE, THERE'S A FELONY WARRANT ATTACHED TO THAT VEHICLE, IT'S A SEX OFFENDER, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE GET NOTIFIED IMMEDIATELY AS SOON AS THEY ENTER. SO JUST FROM AN AWARENESS STANDPOINT, I SEE IT'S, IT'S REMARKABLE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU DARREN, YOU HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. UM, SO THE GRANT, WE COULD GET THE GRANT FOR FUTURE YEARS AND WHAT YOU'VE SEEN RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND LIKELY WE'LL GET IT FOR FUTURE YEARS. IS IT 80%? YES SIR. EACH YEAR? YES SIR. SO THAT 238 COULD GO DOWN BY 80% TO A MUCH LOWER AMOUNT. THAT'S GREAT. UM, ON THE MONITORING, YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS THAT THE SYSTEM'S MONITORING THE CAMERAS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND OR MAKE A PHONE CALL, GET ON SUPPORT. WHAT'S THE SLA TURNAROUND ON THAT? UH, FOR AS IF THERE WAS DOWN FOR THEM TO FIX IT. RIGHT. I HONESTLY, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CAMERA GO DOWN YET. UH, BUT IN TALKING WITH THEM AND DEALING WITH FLOCK FOR AS LONG AS WE HAVE IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY QUICK. BUT I CAN LOOK AND IT BE GOOD TO THE AVERAGE TIME TO LET YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO RANDY'S POINT. IT'S LIKE WHEN THEY'RE DOWN, THAT'S OF COURSE IT'S VERY, UH, INOPPORTUNE TIME. UM, SO IS IT JUST LICENSE PLATES THAT THEY READ OR DO THEY ID OTHER THINGS? NO, SO THIS IS SOLELY FOR THE VEHICLE. NOW THE CAMERAS ARE A LITTLE BROAD SO YOU CAN GET LIKE THE REAR OF THE VEHICLE AND MORE DESCRIPTORS OF THE VEHICLE. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE ADVANCES IN TECHNOLOGY. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS PRIOR LICENSE PLATE READERS, THEY WOULD FOCUS IN ON SOLELY THE LICENSE PLATE AREA. WELL, A LOT OF TIMES EITHER SUSPECTS WILL HIDE THEIR LICENSE PLATE OR THEY'LL OBSCURE IT. THE GOOD THING WITH THIS SYSTEM IS, LET'S SAY YOU COME OUT AND YOU INTERRUPT SOMEBODY TRYING TO STEAL YOUR MAIL OR BREAK INTO SOMETHING AND THE VEHICLE DRIVES OFF. YOU DON'T GET A LICENSE PLATE. HOWEVER, YOU SEE THAT IT WAS A FOUR DOOR DARK COLORED SEDAN AND THE REAL REAR TAIL LAMP WAS BROKEN OUT. WE CAN PUT THAT DESCRIPTOR UNDER THE FLOCK SYSTEM AND IT WILL ANALYZE IMAGES TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THAT. AND THEN WE CAN THEN IDENTIFY IT, FIND THE PLATE, AND THEN WORK BACKWARDS. OKAY. SO IT WILL DO SOME OF THAT ANA ANALYZE, ANALYZE IT, BUT IT DOES NOT CAPTURE PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION THAT IS NOT SHARED WITH ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT NETWORKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ARE WE PAYING A, UH, RECURRING COST RIGHT NOW FOR THIS CAMERAS? WE HAVE WAS THAT CONTRACT OUT? THAT WAS A FIVE, UH, FIVE YEARS PAYMENT. WE AND THE LAST, SO IT WASN'T ANNUAL PAYMENT? NO. ALL AT ONES? NO. IT WAS A ONE COST, BUT DIVIDED INTO FIVE YEARS IT WAS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE D SECOND. THANK YOU DAN AND MARLON FOR THE SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE D IS APPROVED. THANK YOU CHIEF HAMID. ALRIGHT, UH, AT THIS TIME, SINCE WE'RE GETTING RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATE, WHY DON'T WE, UH, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD TIME FOR US TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND, UH, SO IT IS, UH, 8 33. SO WE'LL TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND COME BACK. OKAY. IT IS 8 43 AND WE WILL RECONVENE NOW FROM, FROM OUR SHORT BREAK. AND, UH, JUST FOR, TO UPDATE THE COUNCIL ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. UH, ONE OTHER CHANGE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEM FROM THE WORK SESSION, WHICH WAS ITEM FIVE A. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO OUR, UH, NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING. SO THAT'LL BE NEXT WEEK WHEN WE MEET. THEN IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, SEVEN B, WHICH WAS THE, UH, TIFF AND TURS DISCUSSION, THE SEVEN C ITEM FROM THE WORK SESSION WILL STILL DO THAT AT THE END OF THE, UH, OF OUR REGULAR MEETING TONIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE INTO [e. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving a Ground Lease Agreement between the Town of Addison and Thrust Properties, LLC for commercial aviation use on approximately 2.34 acres of improved and unimproved airport land located at Addison Airport, authorizing the City Manager to execute the Ground Lease Agreement and establishing an effective date.] ITEM FIVE E PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDERATION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING A GROUND LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND THRUST PROPERTIES LLC FOR COMMERCIAL AVIATION USE ON APPROXIMATELY 2.34 ACRES OF IMPROVED AND UNIMPROVED AIRPORT LAND LOCATED AT ADDISON AIRPORT, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE GROUND LEASE AGREEMENT [02:50:01] AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. JAMIE. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, ADDISON CITY COUNCIL. I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU GROUND LEASE AGREEMENT WITH RUST PROPERTIES. THIS AGREEMENT CAME ABOUT THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS, UH, THAT BEGAN AND IT WAS ADVERTISED IN JUNE OF 2023. AT THAT TIME, WE RECEIVED TWO QUALIFIED RESPONDENTS. WE, UH, EXECUTED A LETTER OF INTENT, UH, IN DECEMBER OF 2023, AND OF THIS IS FOR 2.34 ACRES OF REDEVELOPMENT AT THE ADDISON AIRPORT. UH, THE DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE, UH, OR THE GROUND TENANT WOULD BE THRUST PROPERTIES LLC. UH, THE PERMITTED USE IN THIS CASE IS COMMERCIAL AVIATION AND FLIGHT TRAINING, AND THE SUBTENANT WOULD BE AN AFFILIATE, WHICH IS THRUST FLIGHT LLC. AND THE SITE LOCATION IS LANDSIDE ACCESS VIA EDDIE RICKENBACKER DRIVE VIA AIRPORT PARKWAY, UH, RUNWAY ACCESS VIA TAXIWAY, OR EXCUSE ME, TAXI LANE SIERRA. UH, THE POLICE AND FIRE, UH, STATIONS ARE TO THE EAST OF SITE TOWARDS ADDISON ROAD. IT IS CITY OWNED HANGERS TO THE NORTH AND EAST. AND IN ADJACENT WE HAVE USES BY MILLIONAIRE CORPORATE FLIGHT DEPARTMENTS OF SKY SQUARED, LLC, SKY, AIRBNB, AND PEPSICO. THE LEASE BOUNDARY, UH, IS COMPRISED OF TWO PARCELS. UH, TRACK NUMBER ONE IS 1.56 ACRES, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IMPROVED WITH OBSOLETE AERONAUTICAL FACILITIES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED IN 1970S AND LATE 1990S. AND IN TRACK NUMBER TWO IS 0.785 ACRES, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNIMPROVED VACANT LAND. THE LEASE PREMISES IS BISECTED BY EDDIE RICKENBACKER DRIVE, WHICH IS A REQUIRED AIRPORT ACCESS STREET BY ADJACENT USERS. THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE 15,000 SQUARE FOOT HANGAR FOR GROUP TWO, UH, TYPE AIRCRAFT. UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT FLIGHT TRAINING AND SUPPORT FACILITY. UH, IT WILL HAVE AIRCRAFT APRON OR AIRCRAFT APRON AND A HUNDRED SPACE PARKING LOT. AND THE MINIMUM CONSTRUCTION VALUE FOR THIS AGREEMENT IS $10 MILLION. SOME KEY LEASE TERMS ARE GROUND LEASE FORM IS BASED ON THE TOWN'S PREVAILING TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR SIMILAR PROJECTS, UH, WHICH IS FOUND IN EXHIBIT A OF THE GROUND LEASE AGREEMENT RESOLUTION. THE COMMENCEMENT DATE AS OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION, UH, IS FOR IMPROVEMENTS. UH, UH, THE COM COMMENCEMENT DATE WOULD BE AS OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION OF IMPROVEMENTS OR JULY 31ST, 2028, WHICHEVER OCCURS. FIRST, THE LEASE TERM IS FOR 50 YEARS, WHICH IS A STATUTORY MAXIMUM. THE BASE RENT, UH, STEPPED UP RATE BASED UPON THE CALENDAR YEAR OF COMMENCEMENT DATE, UH, BASED ON 20 IN 2027 WOULD BE $82,705 PER YEAR. THIS WILL BE SUBJECT TO CONSUMER PRICE INDEX ADJUSTMENTS EVERY TWO YEARS AFTER THE TWO YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE COMMENCEMENT DATE. THE PERMITTED USES, AGAIN, ARE FOR COMMERCIAL AERONAUTICAL OPERATIONS AND FLIGHT TRAINING. AND THE DELIVERY DATE, THE TOWN IS TO DELIVER THE LEASE PREMISES TO THE TENANT NO LATER THAN MAY 31ST, 2026. THE FINANCIAL IMPACT FOR THIS AGREEMENT, AGAIN, IS AN ANNUAL BASE RENT OF $82,705 PER YEAR. THE TOTAL RENT OVER THE LEASE TERM, INCLUDING ADJUSTMENTS ALONG THE WAY, WOULD BE 6,048,899 WITHOUT THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. AND AT JUST AT THAT 82,705 ANNUAL BASE RENT, THE PRESENT VALUE OF THE RENT WOULD BE 1.1 MILLION 311,758. AGAIN, THE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION INVESTMENT WOULD BE $10 MILLION. SO THE TOTAL DIRECT ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE AIRPORT WOULD BE ABOUT $11.3 MILLION AND THAT WOULD NOT INCLUDE A VELO RESALE OR BUSINESS PROPERTY TAXES. AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE GROUND LEASE AGREEMENT WITH RUST PROPERTIES. LLCI ALSO, UM, BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS, I WANTED TO ADVISE THAT, UH, THRUST PARTNERS, PATRICK ARNON AND STUART STEVENSON ARE HERE PRESENT AT THE MEETING AND THEY CAN ALSO ASSIST IN ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, JAMIE. QUESTIONS, MAYOR? I'VE GOT A COUPLE. SURE. MARLON. UM, SO IN THE CAPTION, JAMIE, IT TALKS ABOUT PERMITTED USES AND IT GOES INTO AIRCRAFT SALES AND MAINTENANCE, STORAGE, CHARTER AND RENTALS. AND THEN I THINK IN THE PRESENTATION IT WAS MORE LIMITED. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHAT WHAT WOULD BE THOSE USES? THE, THE TOTALITY OF THE AGREEMENT [02:55:01] DOES SPECIFY ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. AND WE ENCAPSULATED THIS IN THE PRESENTATION AS COMMERCIAL AERONAUTICAL OPERATIONS. BASICALLY, THOSE OPERATIONS INCLUDE THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH THAT YOU JUST READ. OKAY. SO THEY COULD BE USED FOR ALL OF THOSE. OKAY. AND IS THAT REALISTIC THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE, IT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT RUST OVERALL IN THEIR, IN TERMS OF THEIR OPERATION, CONDUCT A NUMBER OF THESE OPERATIONS NOW, A NUMBER OF 'EM. OKAY. AND THEN SO, UM, THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME, SOME CITY COUNCIL QUESTIONS THAT WERE, THAT WERE SENT IN AND THERE WERE SOME ANSWERS. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, RELATED TO THIS ADDISON AIRPORT GROUND LEASE SUMMARY. YES. SO WE WERE, AND SO, UM, I WAS JUST KINDA LOOKING AT THIS AND I WAS REALLY JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THE IMPORTANT THING THAT WE, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING, LOOKING, I WAS LOOKING FOR DOLLAR FIGURES AND I COULDN'T, UM, OTHER THAN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION VALUE, I COULDN'T REALLY SEE THAT. SO IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON, ON THIS SUMMARY? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK THAT BASED ON WHAT THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AT THAT TIME AND TRYING TO CO GET A COMPARISON OF RECENT REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED, UH, TO YOU THERE PRETTY MUCH SHOW THE OKAY, YEAH. ARE APPROPRIATE TO COMPARE TO THIS REDEVELOPMENT. YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO ALIGN THAT AND COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. YEAH. DID THIS, DID THIS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, IT DID. IT DID. SO I WAS LOOKING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT IN THAT SIZE PROPERTY, WAS THAT, UH, APPROPRIATE, UH, LARGE ENOUGH OR VERY LARGE OR VERY SMALL COMPARED TO SOME OTHER RECENT DEALS THAT WE'VE DONE? 'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN THESE OTHER, THESE OTHER ONES GO THROUGH. SO I WANTED TO GET A SIZE RANGE. 'CAUSE IN THE LEASE, UM, THE, UH, IMPROVEMENT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT. IF IT'S NOT, THEN UH, AMOUNTS COME OFF THE LEASE OR THE LEASE IS, IS NOT, UH, UPHELD AND HAS TO BE BROKEN, THE GROUND LEASE. SO JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF MARLON, WERE YOU, WERE YOU THROUGH BEFORE WE GO ON? YES. OKAY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SORRY, GO AHEAD DARREN. THANK YOU. IS THAT ENOUGH? MARLON? MY ANSWER? IS THAT ENOUGH? UH, DID YOU HAVE, UM, HE ANSWERED IT. YEAH. OKAY. HE ANSWERED, YEAH. OH, IT'S ALL YOU HAD FINE. NOW HOUR. OKAY. OKAY, SURE. ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY, GO AHEAD. THE WAY I SEE THIS, THE PROPOSAL THAT, THAT YOU'VE PUT UP HERE, IT'S ONLY ONE HANGER THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN CONSTRUCTED. WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT 15,000 SQUARE FOOT HANGAR? AND THEN YES, THAT'S THE ONLY HANGAR RIGHT NOW. THE REMAINDER WOULD BE CLASSROOM SPACE, OFFICE SPACE, WHICH ADDS ANOTHER 10,000 SQUARE FOOT INSIDE THAT HANGER. OR IS IT A SEPARATE BUILDING FOR THAT? IT'S, IT'S ATTACHED, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE HANGAR. IT'S NOT INSIDE OF THE HANGAR. SO THE WAY I SEE IT, IT WAS ONE HANGER AND A BIG PARKING LOT. SO IS THIS PARKING LOT INSIDE THE FENCE? IT IS TECHNICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE AIRPORT FENCE RIGHT NOW. SO WHERE THIS PARKING LOT IS PROPOSED, THERE'S NOT CURRENT AIRCRAFT TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT? CORRECT. OKAY. WHICH PIECE OF LAND IS THAT THEN? THAT PIECE OF LAND? THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YOU MAY, UM, ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE THIS PIECE OF LAND. THIS PIECE OF LAND WAS THE LAND WHERE AT ONE POINT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT POTENTIALLY BEING A TEMPORARY LOCATION FOR THE POLICE STATION. IF THE POLICE STATION WAS REMODELED. IT'S VACANT LAND DIRECTLY WEST OF THE CURRENT POLICE AND COURT BUILDING. OKAY. WHICH IS, WHICH IS RIGHT ANOTHER ISSUE ALTOGETHER WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON WITH THE POLICE STATION RIGHT NOW AND, AND TAKING UP LAND FOR A PARKING SPOT. UH, I ALSO HAD SENT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN ON THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REALLY ANSWERED, I MAY NOT HAVE COMMUNICATED MY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS I SHOULD HAVE TO GET THE ANSWERS THAT I WAS RESPONDING TO, UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT OUR LAST MEETING, I HAD NO IDEA THIS PROPOSAL WAS COMING. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE GENERAL PUBLIC FINDS OUT ABOUT THINGS COMING BEFORE US BEFORE I FIND OUT THEY'RE COMING BEFORE US. SO WE HAD A GENTLEMAN GET UP TWO WEEKS AGO AND SAY HE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, TO MAKE A PROPOSAL, UH, TO COUNSEL FOR THIS. UH, AND THEN AGAIN, TONIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING, WE HAVE A, A THIRD, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN REDEVELOPING THIS PIECE OF LAND. WHAT I WANT IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE AIRPORT AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THE AIRPORT IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TOWN AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TOWN OVERALL IS BEST FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS. THIS IS A 50 YEAR PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO OURSELF TO LOOK AT ALL PROP PROPOSALS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE COMING FORWARD ON THIS AND HAVE THE ABILITY FOR US TO PICK [03:00:01] WHICH, WHICH IS THE BEST. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO STAFF AND THEY'VE SEEN 'EM AND THEY'VE SELECTED THIS ONE, BUT SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 'EM ALL MYSELF AND MAYBE EVEN IN ONE NIGHT, HAVE THREE PEOPLE PRESENT PRESENTATIONS OR FOUR OR HOWEVER MANY THERE, THERE IS HERE. UH, I'M NOT, I I, I'M NOT NEGATIVE ABOUT THIS IN, IN ANY WAY FOR THIS PROPOSAL, BUT IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAS COME FORTH TONIGHT, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE. IF THIS IS A 50 YEAR PROJECT, I WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TOWN. MM-HMM . SO WITH JUST ONE HANGER AND A AND A PARKING LOT BASICALLY. AND, AND SOME RAMP SPACE. HOW MUCH OF A RAMP SPACE WILL THEY HAVE HERE? SO THEY'LL HAVE, UH, RAMP SPACE TO THEIR IMMEDIATE NORTH, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE RAMP SPACE TO THEIR IMMEDIATE EAST. SO YES, THERE IS RAMP SPACE, ONE HANGER OFFICE BUILDING ESSENTIALLY. AND PARKING. VEHICULAR PARKING. WHAT, ARE THERE STRUCTURES THERE NOW THAT WILL NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED? YES, THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE FACILITIES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES AND NINETIES. AND WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DEMOLITION OF THOSE? TH THIS TENANT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. OKAY. SO WHOEVER MAKES THE PROPOSAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DEMOLITION, TYPICALLY? YES. CLEARING OF THE PROJECT AND THEN REBUILDING. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME $10 MILLION DEMOLISHES AND REBUILDS THIS? YES, SIR. OKAY. I, I MEAN, I, I CERTAINLY WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE HAD A FORMAL RFQ PROCESS THAT TWO PUT THEIR PUT RESPONSES TO AFTERWARD. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD FOLKS COME FORWARD AND SAY THEY'RE INTERESTED AT THIS POINT, BUT WE HAVE PROCESSES FOR A REASON SO THAT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE FOLLOW STRICT GUIDANCE AS WE GO FORWARD. AND THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO IT. WE WORK IN GOOD FAITH AT THE END OF THE RFQ PROCESS. SO I CAN CERTAINLY HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ABOUT WHY WE HAVE PROCESSES, BUT I DON'T, I, THERE, THERE NO ONE SHOULD BE UNDER THE ILLUSION THAT THIS WAS NOT A TRANSPARENT PROCESS AS WE, I AM NOT ACCUSED OF ANYONE OF THAT WHATSOEVER. BUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD TONIGHT AND WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT HAD PRESENTATIONS BY PROBABLY A PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, NO ONE IN THIS ROOM TO WAIT UNTIL THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS COMPLETED AND THEN COME FORTH WITH, AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST FROM THE TOWN ON THAT. SO WE, IT CAN ALL FIT INTO IT NOT ACCUSING ANYONE OF NOT BEING TRANSPARENT OR, OR DOING, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE TENANTS, LONGTIME TENANTS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE TOLD ONE THING TO WAIT BEFORE THEY PRESENTED. AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN COURTEOUS AND, AND DONE THAT. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE ALL THE PROPOSALS IS ALL I'M SAYING. I WELL, I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT RANDY SAID. I, I'M SHOCKED THAT WE PUT AN RFQ OUT AND WE ONLY RECEIVED TWO BIDS WHERE ONE OF THE BUSIEST GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY AND WE GOT TWO BIDS. THAT'S REALLY SURPRISING TO ME. BUT WHAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. SO, UM, YOU MENTIONED, UM, SEVERAL THINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU RENT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, RIGHT? THE AIRPORT, AIRPORT WOULD RECEIVE RENTAL INCOME. THE AIRPORT, AIRPORT WOULD RECEIVE FUEL INCOME AND THAT ALL STAYS INTO THE AIRPORT. UM, THERE'S ALSO ADVIL ALARM, THERE'S SOME RESALE AND I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT'S SALES TAX AND THERE'S BPP, THE ADVIL ALARM IN THE BPP. HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT GOES INTO OUR GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO IF WE CAN BUILD UP AVIL ALARM AND BPP WITHIN THE AIRPORT, THAT'S HOW THE TOWN REALLY BENEFITS. CORRECT. SO IN THIS CASE, TELL ME WHAT YOU EXPECT IN THE WAY OF ADVIL ALARM. HOW MANY PLANES? AND I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE ALL PROP PLANES, CORRECT? CORRECT. RIGHT NOW, AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SIZE OF AIRCRAFT, BUT YES, THEY ARE, UH, PISTON AIRCRAFT. UM, YOU SEE A DEPICTION RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS SINGLE ENGINE AND SOME DOUBLE OR, UH, MULTI-ENGINE AIRCRAFT, UM, THAT ARE PLACED HERE. UM, AND I, I HAVEN'T BEEN ADVISED THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY TYPE, ANY OTHER TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY USE THIS AS AN A JET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND ALL EVERYTHING UP TO THIS POINT THROUGH THE PROCESS, IS IT'S GONNA BE USED FOR TRAINING AIRCRAFT, WHICH ARE SMALLER. OKAY. SO MY THOUGHT IS WE NEED TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TOWN. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS BEING USED, ITS HIGHEST AND BEST PURPOSE. AND I'M NOT SURE THIS IS IT. ALL THE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, [03:05:01] UM, I'M, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT 'CAUSE I KNOW DONNA FROM MILLIONAIRES HERE IN, IN HEARING HIS INTEREST IN THIS, YOU KNOW, HIS PROJECT THAT HE WANTS TO PROPOSE. AND I'M SORT OF IN THAT SAME UNDERSTANDING THAT RANDY HAD SORT OF ALLUDED TO THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST IN TERMS OF MAYBE I MISSED A MEETING OR MISSED THE WORK SESSION ITEM. THAT, THAT THIS IS NEW TO ME. THE WORD THRUST IS, IS RELATIVELY NEW. WE HAVE NOT, AM I CORRECT IN WE DID NOT HAVE THIS ON A WORK SESSION PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. , WE, WE DO NOT HAVE WORK SESSIONS FOR EVERY RFQ THAT WE PUT OUT. THANK YOU. THAT, THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS, UH, UH, SOMETHING IN WRITING. SO YEAH, I, I'M NEVER ONE TO REALLY POSTPONE THINGS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SORT OF LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OTHER, UM, PROPOSALS THAT HAVE COME TO LIGHT. THANK YOU. DAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OKAY, HOWARD, I, I'M PROBABLY JUST GONNA, IT'S ON, I'M PROBABLY JUST GONNA ECHO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NEW AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME. UH, I'VE BEEN ON SINCE 24 AND DON REFERRED TO 22 AND 23, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IN 22, MILLIONAIRE WAS TOLD, UM, THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE MASTER PLAN'S DONE. AND IN 23 WHEN THRUST WAS THE RFP WENT OUT, OR THE RFQ, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE SENT OUT AN RFQ IF WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE ANYBODY, UM, MAKE PROPOSALS UNTIL AFTER THE MASTER PLAN WAS DONE. SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IF DON WOULD'VE COME WITH HIS PROPOSAL IF HE WASN'T TOLD NOT TO. AND THE GUY LA UH, LAST WEEK, KEN GIDNEY WAS HIS NAME WITH OPTUS GUY. HE WAS CONCERNED AND I, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE MEETING AND HE WANTED 60 DAYS BEFORE HE PROPOSED. I'M, I'M IN LINE WITH THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I WANNA MAKE THE DECISION BEST FOR THE TOWN AND BEST FOR THE AIRPORT. SO I, I THINK IT'S PREMATURE. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU THINK THAT BECAUSE WE'VE PUT IT OUT FOR RFQ AND GOT TWO, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE OTHER PROPOSALS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS. WELL, I WANT, I WANNA BE CLEAR, MY POINT IS WE HAD AN RFQ AND WE HAD TWO RESPONSES AND STAFF TO WORK IN, WORKED IN GOOD FAITH TO BRING THE BEST OF THOSE RESPONSES TO YOU. THIS IS COUNSEL'S DECISION. YOU CAN DECIDE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AT THIS POINT. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS IF YOU DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT YOU SAY WE'RE WE WAIT FOR THE MASTER PLAN TO BE COMPLETE AND WE SUBMIT ANOTHER NEW RFQ OUT TO GET PROPOSALS, THAT WOULD BE THE ROUTE TO GO. IF THAT'S WHERE YOU GO, WHAT WE ARE A STAFFERS, WE'RE BRINGING YOU, WE HAD AN RFQ, WE WORKED IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE RESPONDENT WHO HAD THE BEST PROPOSAL AND WE'RE BRINGING THAT TO, TO YOU RIGHT NOW. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE OTHER PROPOSAL. THERE WERE TWO THAT WAS RESPONDENT TO WHAT, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? THE OTHER ONE WAS AN AIRCRAFT STORAGE, I BELIEVE. UH, LOCATION. IT WAS, THAT WAS THE TYPE OF OPERATION IT WAS GOING TO BE. DID IT FALL APART OR WAS IT NOT? OH NO, WE JUST FELT THAT IT WASN'T AS STRONG AS THE, UH, THIS PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, THE FACILITY THAT'S BEING BUILT. THERE ARE SOME, UM, SOME DEFINITELY SOME OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY COME OF THIS, UH, FACILITY VERSUS THE FACILITIES THAT THRUST IS CURRENTLY USING. SO THIS, THIS RFQ WAS OUT, PUT OUT IN 22. AND HAS IT BEEN GOING ON SINCE THAT LONG? IT 2023. 2023. 23 FOR TWO YEARS. HAS IT TAKEN TWO YEARS TO GET HERE? YES SIR. IS THERE, IS THAT NORMAL FOR THINGS TO TAKE THAT LONG? IT'S NOT, I WOULD SAY NOT NORMAL. IT IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT LONG. YES. OKAY. I'M, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PROCESS IS GOOD. UM, THE, THE AIRPORT HAS A MIX OF OPERATORS. UH, THAT PIECE IS KIND OF A STRANGE PIECE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AIRPORT. IT'S NOT ON THE FRONT ROW. IT'S NOT ON, UH, UH, ALPHA. UM, AND, BUT, UH, MY RESERVATION IS, IS THE MASTER PLAN. AND SO IS THE MASTER PLAN, THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD, WOULD MAKE ME, UH, PAUSE ON THIS. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. ALRIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MAYOR BRUCE, CAN I MAKE A MOTION THEN TO TABLE FIVE E UNTIL THE MASTER PLAN IS DEVELOPED OR THE OTHER PROPOSALS ARE BROUGHT FORTH TABLE OR POSTPONE? POSTPONE. I, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DON'T TABLE OR POSTPONE ACT ON THIS ITEM AND WE'LL COME BACK EITHER APPROVE OR DENY IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WOULD SECOND THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. THANK YOU. JUST TO BE, IF WE'RE POSTPONING IT, THAT MEANS WE'RE POSTPONING THIS CONTRACT FOR THRUST TO ANOTHER TIME. THAT'S WHAT POSTPONING MEANS, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. NO, I WANT TO, IF YOU WANNA BE BACK AT [03:10:01] SQUARE ONE AND AND DO ANOTHER RFQ, WELL THEN, THEN THIS WOULDN'T BE POSTPONED TO A LATER MEETING. OKAY. THEN I'LL RESCIND THE, THE I'LL SEND THE MOTION. I GUESS. AM I SAYING THAT CORRECTLY, BRUCE? I I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THIS, IT'S THAT I AM FORCING OTHER PROPOSALS. SO I, I THINK WE CAN'T POSTPONE THIS TO A, TO THAT AND LEAVE THRUST ON THE TABLE AND THEN HAVE AT THE SAME POSTPONED MEETING COME HAVE THE OTHERS GIVE THE, GIVE THE, UH, PRESENTATIONS. PRESENTATIONS. I, I, I DON'T, YOU'RE FORCING ME TO VOTE AGAINST SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY NOT AGAINST, BUT I WANT MORE INFORMATION AND I, I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS IF I HAVE TO. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT MY DESIRE AT THIS POINT. I IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING WITH THIS, YOU SHOULD START OVER. IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE AFTER AN RFQ PROCESS. I CAN MAKE THE MOTION. CAN WE GET WHIT'S OPINION, LEGAL OPINION ON THIS, PLEASE? WELL, AS THE CITY MANAGERS CORRECTED, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT, BECAUSE WE'VE COME TO THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS UNDER THE EXISTING RFQ, IT WOULD BE IMPROPER FOR US TO HAVE ANY OTHER APPLICANTS COME INTO AN EXISTING RFQ FOR CONSIDERATION. WE NEED TO RESTART THE PROCESS IF WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER HAVING OTHER APPLICANTS PRESENT PR PROJECTS. UM, SO IF WE VOTE THIS DOWN, IT WOULD NOT PREVENT THRUST FROM COMING BACK WITH THE SAME PROPOSAL CORRECT. AT, AT A LATER DATE. CORRECT? I, I WOULD AND I WOULD ALSO TRULY LIKE TO SEE THRUST TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS RATHER THAN OUR AIRPORT MANAGER AS WELL TO GET THEIR VISION OF ALL THIS. SO, UH, YOU'RE GONNA FORCE ME TO DO SOMETHING I REALLY DON'T WANNA DO. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PROCEDURE IS IF WE DENY THIS NOW OR VOTED VOTE THIS DOWN, IS THERE ANY PREJUDICE OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE THAT APPLIES TO THIS, THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THE SAME R SAME PROPOSAL, CORRECT? YEAH. THIS UN UNLIKE A ZONING CASE, THIS IS, WE'RE JUST IN THE PROCESS FOR THE 2023 RFQ AND THEN OF COURSE WE COULD PROCEED IN ANY MANNER IN WHICH COUNSEL AND OR STAFF DESIRE. OKAY. JUST WANNA CLARIFY. THANK YOU. YEAH, AND I'D LIKE THAT FOR THE RECORD. I'M NOT VOTING AGAINST THRUST. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR FORWARD TO THEN A RE PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. DID YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION DAN? I WITHDREW MY MOTION. OKAY. AND I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DENY AT THIS TIME. CAN I'LL SECOND. OKAY. CAN, DID I JUST A MOTION TO SECOND DISCUSSION MORE THAN GO YEAH. DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON YOUR MOTION. DOES YOUR MOTION, RANDY, HAVE A CONDITION THAT WE ISSUE A NEW RFP UM, AFTER, AFTER COMPLETION OF THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN OR NOT? THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. AND I CAN EITHER SAY THAT OR I CAN SAY THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DAVID. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD ON THAT MOTION, I WOULD HOPE THRUST WOULD COME BACK, EVEN IF IT'S THE EXACT SAME ONE. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THRUST AND NOT OPPOSED TO THIS PLAN. I JUST KNOW THERE'S OTHERS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT. WE ARE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BRING AN RFQ BACK AFTER THE MASTER PLAN. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE MOTIONS. SURE. CORRECT. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, CAN DAVID, CAN YOU TELL US WHEN THE MASTER PLAN SHOULD BE COMPLETED? RIGHT NOW, I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT THE MASTER PLAN HAS A SOLID YEAR BEFORE IT'S FINAL REPORT IS, UH, SUBMITTED TO US FOR REVIEW. AND DO WE NEED TO WAIT TILL THE MASTER PLAN IS OUT? I KNOW THAT'S WHAT OTHERS HAVE BEEN TOLD. AND WOULD, WOULD IT NOT BE MORE APPROPRIATE AFTER THE MASTER PLAN IS IN PLACE TO COME BACK IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION AS THE AIRPORT? CORRECT. RIGHT NOW THE MASTER PLAN IS LOOKING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. SO ALL OF THE AREAS, UM, ALL OF THE TAXI LANES FROM NORTH END TO SOUTH END. SO THIS WILL BE AN AREA THAT WILL BE EVALUATED AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, I'M, UH, I I I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS IS THE POSITION THE COUNCIL IS TAKING. I MEAN, I GET, I I, I TOTALLY GET THE SENTIMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR WHAT'S BEST FOR THE, UH, FOR THE TOWN AND FOR THE AIRPORT. UM, AND THRUST IS A GOOD OPERATOR AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE INTEREST NOW, UH, ARE GOOD OPERATOR. BUT THERE WAS A PROCESS THAT WAS, THAT WAS FOLLOWED, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS AN RFQ THAT WAS DONE AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM IN GOOD FAITH. I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD, UH, GOOD LOOK ON ADDISON'S PART TO SAY, WELL, WE'VE BEEN SPENDING THE LAST TWO YEARS, UH, YOU KNOW, TALKING THROUGH YOU ON THIS AND, AND YOU, AND THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE DOING THEIR THING, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT, UH, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN [03:15:01] 11TH HOUR, WELL, WE SAY, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, MAYBE SOMEBODY PRETTIER THAT WE WANNA DATE INSTEAD OF YOU, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE OUR PATH. AND SO I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD LOOK FOR THE TOWN. I MEAN, A MILLIONAIRES A GREAT TENANT. THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR 40 PLUS YEARS AND, AND I THINK SO MUCH OF, OF THE LEADERSHIP THERE. AND DON, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE TONIGHT. UM, AND, UH, AND, AND PATRICK, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE A GOOD OPERATOR DOING GREAT BUSINESS OVER THERE. UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AS IT SHOULD HAVE, AS WE AS, AS WAS, AS WAS APPROPRIATE. STAFF DID THEIR JOB, THRUST, DID THEIR JOB. UM, I JUST DON'T, I JUST, I JUST DON'T, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, AND TO, AND TO, AND TO, AND TO NOW SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA START OVER AGAIN. I JUST DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I MEAN, WELL JUST GO AHEAD. UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I MEAN, I'M, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PROCESS. I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT, UM, TENANT FOR THIS SPACE. I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. NOTHING AGAINST YOU AND HOW YOU'RE OPERATING, BUT I DO THINK THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS OUT THERE. AND I RESPECT YOUR OPINION ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD LOOK FOR US TO TELL SOME TO WAIT TILL AFTER THE MASTER PLAN AND IT'S IN PROGRESS AND WE'RE NOT WAITING. AND IT WOULD BE AN UGLIER PROCESS IF WE JUST SAID, NO, I HATE THIS. IT IS, YOU'RE TOO UGLY FOR US TO DATE, TO USE YOUR WORDS. I WILL REITERATE, ITERATE ONE MORE TIME. THIS IS NOT AGAINST THIS, IT'S NOT AGAINST THRUST. I THINK OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO WAIT TILL THE PROCESS IS OVER. THAT IS IN PROCESS TO DO. AND THAT'S MY MOTION. IT'S NOT AGAINST THRUST, IT'S AGAINST THIS BECAUSE YOU FORCED ME TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, RANDY, MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T, AND I, AND I COULD BE, I COULD BE MISTAKEN, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NOBODY WAS TOLD TO NOT SUBMIT AN A AN RFQ TO ON THIS RFQ TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AND TO WAIT UNTIL THE MASTER PLAN WAS OVER. BUT ON SOME, ON A DIFFERENT PARCEL. IS THAT, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, I, I CAN'T DENY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE. I'M JUST TOLD THAT THEY WERE TOLD TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE MASTER PLAN IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING MM-HMM . AND I THINK THIS IS A 50 YEAR PROJECT THAT IT WON'T HURT US TO WAIT ANOTHER LITTLE WHILE TO GET THIS DONE. YEAH. AND TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. NO, I GET IT. AND I JUST THINK REPUTATIONALLY, IT'S, IT'S, UH, NOT MY FAVORITE FILM. AND I APPRECIATE YOU, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT AND I, AND WHOLLY RESPECT THAT. I REALLY DO. AND I KNOW, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANNA VOTE AGAINST IT, BUT I DON'T. I GET IT. I GET IT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY, UH, THIS ITEM. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NAY. ALRIGHT. UH, THE MOTION TO DENY IS APPROVED. THANK YOU. UH, JAMIE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ITEM [f. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance approving a Boundary Agreement between the Town of Addison and the City of Dallas and authorizing the City Manager to execute the Agreement.] FIVE F PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A BOUNDARY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND THE CITY OF DALLAS AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT. BECKY, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BECKY DIVINITY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. UM, I PROMISED YOU WE WOULD BE BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE MONTFORD DISCUSSION AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO YOU. UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. UM, CONSIDERATION AND BENEFITS, OBVIOUSLY. UM, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS, BUFFERS, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, UM, AND ALSO PUTTING IN SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, SPAN WIRE GOING AWAY AND ADDING SOME A DA, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE AREA. IT ALSO INCLUDES IN, UH, IMPROVING ALL THE WAY TO CELESTIAL DRIVE. UM, WE'LL BE PUTTING UP ADDITIONAL, UH, SIGNS THAT SAY THIS IS WHERE THE ADDISON CITY LIMITS ARE, ET CETERA. AND THEN WORKING WITH, UM, OUR OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS POLICE AND FIRE FOR THE AREAS OF WHICH THAT WILL NOW BE A PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. SO I THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE ON OCTOBER 11TH, THE TOWN REQUESTED THIS FORMAL ADJUSTMENT. UM, THAT WAS BACK IN 2023, UM, FEBRUARY 5TH, DALLAS, UH, SAID, ALRIGHT, LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN. UM, APRIL 21ST, UM, I TOOK THAT FORWARD TO THE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE WHERE THEY APPROVED THE ADJUSTMENT. JUNE 11TH, THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT AND I'M HERE TODAY TO BRING FORWARD A, UM, ORDINANCE, UM, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER APPROVING WITH THE DESCRIPTION THAT'S APPROVED, UM, OR PROVIDED IN YOUR BACKUP FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS. UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, UM, IF THIS AGREEMENT SO IS APPROVED, IT WILL BE PUT ON THE NOVEMBER, UH, DALLAS CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THAT ALSO WILL GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND THEN WE WILL WORK FORWARD, UM, TO TAKE OVER THIS PORTION OF THE LAND THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING TO DESIGN. SO WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU. THANK YOU. BECKY. QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, BECKY. THANK YOU. UM, YOU MENTIONED THE BOUNDARY SIGNAGE. WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? THE BOUNDARY SIGNAGE, UM, CHANGING [03:20:01] BLUE, GREEN SIGNS. BLUE SIGNS, BASICALLY REALLY JUST A SIGN SAYING YOU'RE ENTERING ADDISON TYPE SITUATION. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, BOUNDARY IMPROVEMENTS. UM, NOT ONLY ADDING ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AS A PART OF THE MONTFORT PROJECT ACTUALLY AT BELTLINE IN MONTFORT, WE WOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING SIMILAR. SO FOLKS KNEW THEY WERE ENTERING ADDISON WHEN THEY'RE AT THE CELESTIAL INN ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, LIKE A BLUE DOT MONUMENT. SOMETHING SIMILAR, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN SAME THING, GREEN SIGNS TO BLUE SO THEY KNOW THEY'RE IN ADDISON. WE, WE WILL BE WORKING THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS? WHERE, WHERE WILL THE LINE, WHERE WILL THE LINE, WILL IT STOP AT CELESTIAL? YES, SIR. THERE ARE, THERE IS PROPERTY THAT IS IN ADDISON THAT CONTINUES DOWN. MONTFORD WHAT, ANOTHER 300 FEET, MAYBE 400 FEET ALONG IN THERE. THEY WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO DALLAS. I KNOW PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION LAST TIME, THIS IS GONNA MAKE YOUR PERMITTING STUFF EASIER ON FENCES AND WALLS 'CAUSE IT WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH DALLAS. CORRECT. SO THOSE PEOPLE'S WALLS THEN STILL HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO DALLAS PERMITTING AND, AND THAT, OR IS THERE A THOUGHT OF US MOVING THIS LINE ON DOWN TO WHERE IT COVERS ALL OF ADDISON? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME, SIR. UM, THE BOUNDARY, UM, WE FEEL LIKE, UM, INCLUDES THE AREA OF WHICH NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED. ALSO, KEEP IN MIND DURING THE PLATTING PROCESSES, UM, A LOT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S ON THE BACKSIDE OF WHERE THE ACTUAL, UM, FENCE MAY BE OR THE RETAINING WALL, WHETHER IT BE BRICK, PA, UM, PAVERS, ET CETERA. UM, A LOT OF THAT IS ALSO IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON. SO IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THE, THE SITUATION THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE LAST TIME, UM, THE ACTUAL LAND WAS LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN OF ADDISON, IT IS THE, UM, TRAFFIC CONTROL PROCESS BECAUSE WE WERE SHUTTING DOWN THE CITY OF DALLAS ROAD WHERE THE IMPACT WAS. I SEE. IT WAS NOT THE LAND ITSELF. I, OKAY, I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. SO, NO, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. SO YOU, YOU JUST BE REALLY PRECISELY, I, WE ACTUALLY GO A LITTLE BIT BEYOND BOTH, BOTH CELESTIAL ROADS. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO CEL RIGHT THERE. WE ACTUALLY GO SLIGHTLY BEYOND BOTH OF THEM. OH, OKAY. SO IT DOES KIND GO WHERE FIRE HYDRANT'S BEEN LAID DOWN FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS. I GOT YOU. , BUT IT'S A DALLAS. UM, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC SIGNALS, FIX IT FIRST SIGNS AND THAT TYPE YES SIR. WE'RE NOT FINALIZING THAT TONIGHT. OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE ARE ONLY, WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT, ADDING ALL THAT AND DELETING SOME OF IT. THIS IS JUST JUST THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S RIGHT. JUST THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS THE FORMAL AGREEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE JUST NOW RECEIVING SURVEY AND BE WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS AND THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS TO GO TO GET THROUGH THERE. OKAY. THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE ON CELESTIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CELESTIAL THAT KEEP TELLING ME THEY HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SERVICES THAT THE REST OF ADDISON DOES. WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED? YES SIR. I'VE SPOKEN WITH SOME OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO WORK THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME AREAS OUT THERE THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE THE FIBER THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED. I'VE SPOKEN TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, FRANCHISE UTILITIES WILL BE EVALUATED. SO I'M VERY AWARE OF THAT AND GONNA DO OUR BEST TO HELP AND TRY TO SOLVE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT. I KNOW THAT WASN'T ON POINT AND I THANK YOU FOR NOT SHUTTING ME DOWN, MAYOR ON THAT BEING OFF, BUT I, I WAS, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK THAT IN TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. QUICK QUESTION ON SLIDE THREE. OKAY. YOU COULD, YES, SIR. SO SEE WHERE IT SAYS PROPOSED CORPORATE LIMIT, EXISTING CORPORATE LIMIT. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHAT RANDY'S GETTING AT BASICALLY LOT. 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10 WILL BE UNDER ADDISON'S PURVIEW. SO THE ACTUAL PROPOSED CORPORATE LIMIT WILL BE AT THE END OF WHERE YOU SEE L FOUR IS. UM, AND THEN THAT EXISTING CORPORATE LIMIT, THAT IS WHERE IT IS TODAY BASED ON THE PLAT. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. SO THOSE HOMES, THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE HOMES ARE ALREADY WITHIN THE, THE TOWN OF ADDISON. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OTHER QUESTIONS? AND A COUPLE QUICK, UH, JUST, JUST TO KIND OF DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME. SO THIS IS GONNA RESOLVE THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES FOR THE SCREENING WALLS, IF THERE WERE ANY, IT, IT WOULD RESOLVE FOLKS RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES I THINK BECKY MENTIONED WAS FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE SCREENING WALLS, THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T GOING UP THROUGH US FOR RIGHT OF AWAY PERMITS AND THEY WEREN'T FOLLOWING WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO DO ON RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS, BUT IT WAS, THE ROAD WAS DALLAS, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF IT. SO NOW IF SOMEONE'S WORKING ON THE WALLS, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. SIMPLIFIES THAT. SO ON SLIDE FOUR, I SEE ANOTHER CHALLENGE. ANYTIME I SEE, UM, UH, IS THIS LIKELY TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM ON THAT LAST NOVEMBER 25TH, UH, 2025 MEETING. SO, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS PROCESS IS KIND OF, THEY [03:25:01] DO MULTIPLE STEPS. SO THEY'VE ALREADY APPROVED A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THIS. SO WE EXPECT THAT THIS IS JUST THE NEXT STEP IN THEIR PROCESS. BE NICE. PROBABLY A GOOD AGENDA. ADAM, QUESTION HOWARD? I HOPE I WOULD THINK I JUST HAVE SOMETHING I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE BOUNDARY CHANGING, BUT I'VE HAD SOMEBODY COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC LIGHT AT PALLADIUM AND MONFORT THAT THEY CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE OF THE TREES AND WHERE IT'S HANGING ON THAT LINE. AND I TOLD THEM, EH, IT'S DALLAS, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO NOW IS IT GONNA BE OUR ISSUE TO FIX THAT? IT'S IS THAT IN, IN THE PLANS TO FIX? IT'LL BE A PART OF THE OVERALL DESIGN PROCESS TO LOOK NOT TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S CORRECT SIR. LATER. WELL I WOULD, WELL I WOULD BE MORE, I WOULD SAY IT'S ONE OF OUR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF REASONS WE WANNA DO THIS, THIS IS HIGH ON THE LIST AND I MENTIONED THAT LIKE WE HAD THAT COMPLAINT. IT'S, I I'VE MADE THAT COMPLAINT. COMPLAINT, I GOT IT AND I JUST OFF BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK WE FIX, THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED IT ON THE SLIDE, SIR. YOU SEE IT RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. IT SEE, IT'S ONE OF THE WORST SIGNALS IN THE ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS. SEE WE'RE WORKING TO IMPROVE IT DESIGN. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS? YES SIR. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROACTIVE IN TALKING TO THE SCHOOL AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE NO PARKING ON MONTFORD TO DROP OFF AND PICK UP KIDS. DOES THE SCHOOL, DO WE KNOW IF THEY HAVE A PLAN TO MOVE THAT AND WHEN WILL ALL OF THAT KIND OF TAKE PLACE? YEAH, SO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL AND IT WILL HAPPEN THE DAY AFTER DALLAS APPROVED . SO 1ST OF DECEMBER SOMETIME? PROBABLY. YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S IN NOVEMBER. THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S OKAY. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH THE RED LIGHT THERE. SO YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. ALRIGHT. DRIVING. WELL, I THINK THE ISSUE IS SOME OF, IF YOU'VE SEEN IT, SOME OF 'EM WILL LITERALLY PARK THEIR CAR ON MARFORD AND WALK UP. SO IT'S THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WORK. THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE NO WELL THEY YEAH. MORE THAN JUST A CARPOOL. YEAH. YEAH. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WORKED WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED ON THIS PROJECT THROUGH THIS BOUNDARY AGREEMENT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE AGREEMENT THAT IMPACT POLICE, FIRE, ET CETERA. AND SO CHIEF AND I'VE ALREADY BEEN COORDINATING AND I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT HE NEEDS, UM, TO MAKE THIS FACILITATION THROUGH THE PROCESS ALONG WITH THE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WILL HAPPEN WITH THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ITSELF. SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND WE'LL BE READY TO GO AS SOON AS DALLAS APPROVES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE F SECOND ITEM DAN AND MARLON FOR THE SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. ITEM FIVE F IS APPROVED. OKAY. SO, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND [6. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.] WE'LL DO THAT ITEM SIX, UH, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEM. SO THIS IS THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, UH, SHARE ANY EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS, CONDOLENCE, ET CETERA. IS THERE ANYTHING ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE? MARLON? YEAH. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A, A BIG CELEBRATION WITH A DART RAIL FINALLY GETTING IN SERVICE AND UH, UH, I KNOW THE MAYOR'S GOT SOME THINGS TO SAY, SO I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA SAY EVERYTHING, BUT I DO WANT TO, UM, UM, JUST SHARE. WE HAD A, WE HAD A REALLY NICE EVENT ON SATURDAY. THERE WAS ANOTHER EVENT ON FRIDAY. UM, AND, AND I WANT TO THINK, UH, SO THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS THAT'S TAKEN, I THINK 42 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF, UH, THE CURRENT COUNCIL, BUT ALSO THE PAST CITY COUNCIL, THE CURRENT STAFF, PAST STAFF. UM, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN PUTTING FORTH A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY AND WORK AND, UM, SO, UM, I, I APPRECIATE ALL THAT WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARLON. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE. SO, UH, CONCUR ON THE DART THING, UH, WE, MY WIFE AND I WROTE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT AND IT'S, UH, REALLY, REALLY GREAT THANKS TO ALL THE, THE LEADERS IN ADDISON. THERE WAS A CONTINGENT THAT WENT DOWN TO, TO DART I REMEMBER 10, 15, 12 YEARS AGO OR SO. AND, AND JUST ALL THE PEOPLE ALONG ALL THE WAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. IT'S A REALLY, REALLY GOOD MOMENT FOR DART. I WENT ON A RIDE ALONG WITH THE, UH, WITH THE OFFICER, UM, POLICE OFFICER, UH, LAST SATURDAY NIGHT OR SATURDAY BEFORE, UH, OFFICER HENDRICK AND, UM, FROM TILL ABOUT MIDNIGHT AND IT WAS, UM, SATURDAY NIGHT. SO YOU WANNA CHOOSE GOODNIGHT TO GO IN ADDISON. UH, AND UH, THE OFFICER WAS 100% PRO PROFESSIONAL, VERY FRIENDLY, UH, AND WE HAD SEVERAL STOPS AND ONE OF 'EM INCLUDED, UH, OBVIOUSLY OTHER OFFICERS AS WELL. AND ALL, ALL OF THE, THE FORCE WAS JUST REALLY, REALLY, YOU KNOW, I WAS PROUD OF THEM TO HAVE TO HANDLE THOSE DIFFICULT SITUATIONS. ONE OF 'EM INCLUDED A RIDE TO, UH, THE JAIL. UM, SO THE PASSENGER WAS TAKEN TO THE JAIL, UM, IN THAT POLICE CAR. AND I'M, I'M STILL IN THE, UH, SQUAD CAR THAT'S THERE AND LIKE 30 MINUTES LATER, THE OFFICER'S BACK FROM THE JAIL. AND I ASKED OFFICER HENDRICK IF, UM, IS THAT, IS THAT THE GUY DID, DID HE GO TO THE JAIL? YES, HE DID. SO THE ROUND TRIP WAS LIKE 30 MINUTES TO GO TO THE JAILS REALLY FAST AND APPARENTLY VERY SMOOTH. AND THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM THE OFFICERS WAS THAT JAIL'S WORKING OUT WELL. SO JUST WANNA, UH, TO OFFER THAT, UH, KUDOS [03:30:01] FOR THE, THE WHOLE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THAT PLAN ON THE JAIL AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU DARREN. OTHERS? JUST ANOTHER COMMENT ON DART. I WAS THERE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING. SO EXCITED. UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I I, THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE OUR FUTURE. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO, UM, JUST HATS OFF TO EVERYONE THAT WAS THERE AND MADE THAT EVENT A SUCCESS. THANK YOU, CHRIS. OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL JUST SAY REITERATE, SAME THING. COUNCIL'S MENTIONED, THE, THE, THE LEADERS BEFORE US, THE LEADERS IN THE FUTURE OF WHAT DART BRINGS. AND THEN I BELIEVE I HEARD IT CORRECTLY ON THE NEWS, YOU CAN RIDE THE DART SILVER LINE INTO THE FIRST FEW DAYS OF NOVEMBER. SO IF YOU WANTED TO TEST IT YOURSELF AS A CITIZEN FREE OF CHARGE, HOP ON. YEAH. YEAH. SILVER LINE IS FREE, UH, THROUGH NOVEMBER 8TH. NOVEMBER 8TH, YEAH. NOW THERE'S, UH, YEAH, JUST ONE, I'LL MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, SILVER LINE LAUNCH. THAT WAS A EX EXCITING DAY ON FRIDAY AND, AND SATURDAY WAS FUN. IT WAS FUN TO SEE EVERYBODY, UH, UH, SATURDAY GATHERED UP ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, AT THE STATION WAITING TO GET ON FOR THEIR, UH, FOR THEIR FIRST RIDE ON THE SILVER LINE. THAT WAS REALLY GREAT. AND I, I JUST WANTED, I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UH, THE, THE FOLKS THAT CAME BEFORE US, UH, A LONG TIME, CITY MANAGER RON WHITEHEAD, WHO WAS, HE WAS THE, UH, HE WAS, HE WAS, WAS HIS BRAINCHILD THAT THOUGHT ABOUT THIS TOD AND ACQUIRING THIS LAND AROUND THE, UH, THE STATION. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT. AND WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT NOW. SO RON WAS, HE WAS SO, UH, IMPORTANT TO THAT PROCESS AND, AND CARMEN MORAN AND THE FOLKS THAT WERE AROUND AT THAT TIME, UH, AND WHEN, WHEN I WAS PREVIOUS ON THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, OR MAYOR TODD MEYER, UH, HE WAS REALLY THE ONE THAT STARTED PUSHING THE COG TO SAY AND AND DART TO SAY WE WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIT UNTIL 2035. AND THEY, WE REALLY STARTED TO PUSH AT THAT TIME. AND, AND SO TODD, TODD WAS THE INCREMENTAL OR INCREMENTAL, NO INSTRUMENTAL, THINK INSTRUMENTAL, YES. UM, IT'S GETTING LATE, UM, IN, IN GETTING THAT, THAT MOVING FORWARD. SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM FOR THAT, UH, AS WELL. UH, BUT WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO CHRIS. HAPPY CHRIS. YEAH. AND, UH, BIRTHDAY CHRIS. ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT WE WILL NOT ADJOURN, BUT WE'LL FINISH UP OUR REGULAR MEETING AND WE'LL MOVE BACK TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEM, WHICH, WHICH IS ITEM SEVEN C MARY ITEM SEVEN C. ALRIGHT. ITEM [c. Present and discuss the 2025 Draft Master Transportation Plan to include updates from the 2016 Master Transportation Plan, improved roadway cross-sections, incorporation of the Advance Addison 2050, pedestrian toolbox, and revised speed limits, public comments received along with an overview of upcoming project recommendations as prepared by Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. in coordination with Town staff.] SEVEN C IS PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED IS THE 2025 DRAFT MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN TO INCLUDE UPDATES FROM THE 2016 MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, IMPROVED ROADWAY CROSS SECTIONS, INCORPORATION OF THE ADVANCED ADDISON 2050 PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX AND REVISED SPEED LIMITS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED, ALONG WITH AN OVERVIEW OF UPCOMING PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS AS PREPARED BY KIMBERLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES, INC IN COORDINATION WITH TOWN STAFF. BECKY, AWESOME. BECKY DEVINNEY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE BACK HERE TONIGHT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS. UM, MYSELF ALONG WITH CHRISTIAN DELUCA, WITH KIMBERLY HORN ASSOCIATES, DAVID HALL WITH KIMBERLY HORN, AND JUAN GUTIERREZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. UM, SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME SINCE, UH, YOU SAW THE PRESENTATION THAT CHRISTIAN CHRISTIAN GAVE, UM, ON SEPTEMBER 9TH. UM, SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES JUST TO KIND OF RE-ENERGIZE YOUR BRAIN AND TALK ABOUT THE THINGS, WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTIAN SO HE HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH QUESTIONS AND WANNA BE ABLE TO RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. DO THESE SLIDES NOT HAVE NUMBERS FOR US TO REFERENCE IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS? THEY, THEY DON'T. OKAY. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. CHRISTIAN DELUCA WITH KIMLEY HORNE. UH, TODAY WE'RE, WE'RE BACK TO TO THE Q AND A SESSION. IT'S A CONTINUATION OF OUR MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, AS BECKY HAD NOTED. UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA REVIEW IS THE, THE PURPOSE AND VISION. UM, JUST REMIND YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PLAN FOUNDATION, HOW IT TIED INTO ADVANCED ADDISON 2050. UH, WE, WE SHOWED THE RESULTS AND SURVEY RESULTS FROM OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. UH, WE EXPLAINED HOW THE DATA-DRIVEN ANALYSIS, UH, LED TO OUR, OUR SPEED AND SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, AND IDENTIFYING THOSE, THOSE PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. UH, WE INTRODUCE FLEXIBLE CROSS SECTIONS, WHICH IS A WAY TO MODERNIZE OUR STREETS, UM, PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE PROJECTS MORE VIABLE WITHIN THE TOWN. UM, AND HOW THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. WE REVIEWED THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UM, AND THEN WE INTRODUCED WITH THIS MTP, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSS PEDESTRIAN CROSSING TOOLBOX IN THE TRAFFIC CALMING TOOLBOX. WE FINISHED WITH SPEED LIMIT EVALUATION, UH, AND WE ALSO HAD OUR LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS. UM, TO START THE DISCUSSION, THERE WERE TWO COMMENTS WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS AT THE END OF LAST MEETING DUE TO TIME. [03:35:01] UM, THE FIRST WAS WHAT WERE THE DETAILS OF THE PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST COLLISIONS? UM, IN OUR PRESENTATION, WE KNOW WE HAD 43 IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. UM, I DO HAVE THE DETAIL FOR ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO, WHO WANTS, UM, WHAT ROAD THEY'RE ON, WHAT INTERSECTION WE DID THAT, UH, TDOT ANALYSIS. BUT IN SUMMARY, OUT OF THOSE 43, THERE WERE, UM, THREE FATAL INJURIES AND ONE SUSPECTED SERIOUS INJURY. UM, OUT OF THE FATAL INJURY, THE, UM, THE TWO PEDESTRIANS, IT WAS DUE TO PEDESTRIAN, FAILED TO YIELD. UM, AND IN ONE OF THOSE, THE DRIVER WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE. UM, THE SECOND FATALITY WAS A BICYCLIST OR THE THIRD WAS A BICYCLIST. UM, AND THAT WAS DUE TO IMPAIRED VISIBILITY DUE TO SUNLIGHT. UM, SO WE DO HAVE THOSE REPORTS. THOSE WERE THE THREE FATALS IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. UM, THE LARGE MAJORITY WERE, UH, MINOR INJURY OR LESS. THERE WAS ONE SUSPECTED SERIOUS INJURY AS WELL. SO AFTER I, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT OR IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE CAN ANSWER IN JUST A SECOND. UM, THE NEXT WAS IN REGARDS TO A MICRO MOBILITY PROGRAM WITHIN ADDISON. UM, THAT WAS LISTED IN THE REPORT, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION BY THIS COUNCIL. THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE INVITING, UH, LYME OR BIRD INTO THE COMMUNITY, BUT SIMPLY TO START THE DISCUSSION ON FIRST AND LAST MILE TRANSIT AND HOW WE SUPPORT THE TOD COULD BE MANY THINGS. IT COULD BE, UH, INCENTIVIZING EMPLOYERS TO HAVE A BIKE SHARE PROGRAM. IT COULD BE A CITY BIKE SHARE PROGRAM, BUT WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING, UM, ANYTHING WITHIN THE PLAN EXCEPT FOR THAT. THIS, UM, COUNCIL CONSIDER IT, DISCUSS IT, UH, AND WE, WE KEEP THAT IN OUR MIND 'CAUSE SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE IMPLEMENTING THAT, UM, WITHIN THEIR CITIES. UH, WITH THAT WE HAVE ALL THE SLIDES FROM THE, THE PAST PRESENTATIONS, SO I'M HAPPY TO GO TO ANY POINT WITHIN THAT. UH, WE ALSO HAVE SENT THE REPORT, SO WE'D LIKE TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS TWO, AND I I WOULD JUST ADD, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A MONTH OR SO SINCE WE HAD THE PRESENTATION, SO, UM, WE'RE HERE TO HELP STIR THE CONVERSATION. BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS, THIS IS, THIS DOESN'T LIMIT YOUR QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY, WE'RE READY TO ANSWER THOSE. I DO THOSE QUESTIONS. I DO, IF I CAN ASK. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, THE PREPARATION BEHIND IT. YOU JUST MENTIONED THE LAST COMMENT WAS THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE CONSIDERING OR ALREADY IMPLEMENTED? UH, YOU MEAN LYME DALLAS HAS BROUGHT BACK LYMAN BIRD RECENTLY WITH HEAVY REGULATIONS. UH, IT DIDN'T GO SO WELL THE FIRST TIME. UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, ALSO CONCERNS WITH MINORS RIDING. IT WAS A BIG PART. UM, THEY BROUGHT IT BACK WITH AN EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM WITHIN THE, THE, THE APP. UM, AND THEN THEY'RE HEAVILY RE REGULATING IT BASED ON GEOFENCING, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE'RE RECOMMENDING. BUT THAT IS SO BEYOND DALLAS, NO OTHER NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT, THAT BORDER ADDISON. NO, THANK YOU. THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN A NIGHTMARE. NOT ONLY THIS AREA BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I DON'T THINK A LOT OF TALK. IS THIS ALL YOUR PRESENTATION OR ARE YOU NOT GOING THROUGH THESE OTHER SLIDES OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE DID EARLIER? ALL THE OTHER SLIDES OF WHAT WE DID LAST MONTH. OKAY. I'M, I'M NOT FAULTING YOU HERE, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT A LOT SLIDES AND YOU STOPPED RIGHT THERE ON ME, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. RANDY, DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CHRIS OR RANDY? NO, I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY, CHRIS, UH, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. I'M, FIRST OF ALL, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT AND WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS. I THINK THIS IS REAL EXCITING. I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF BUILDING SOME 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS, BUT I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE NEED TO DO, PARTICULARLY WITH GETTING PEOPLE ACROSS OUR MAJOR THOROUGH FOOT FAIRS, MIDWAY BELT LINE ESPECIALLY. UM, SO I HOPE YOU HAVE IDEAS FOR THAT. LIKE, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I READ IT AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THE TOOLBOX, UM, BUT THOSE ARE REALLY BIG INTERSECTIONS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY GONNA NEED A LOT OF ATTENTION. SO, UM, UM, THINKING AND HOPING THAT YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF IDEAS, UM, WHEN, WHEN DO WE THINK WE'LL START SEEING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, SO AS YOU'RE AWARE, UM, IN THE RECENT BUDGET, UM, THERE WAS MONEY AUTHORIZED AS A PART OF THE PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX, UM, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO OUR GOAL IS TO WORK THROUGH THE MTP PROCESS, GET THIS DOCUMENT FINALIZED AND APPROVED. BUT IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND, WE KNOW SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY IMPORTANT TO US THAT NOW ALIGN DIRECTLY WITH THE PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX. SO OUR STAFF IS LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN START GOING AHEAD AND USING SOME OF THOSE FUNDING. SO, UM, WE'RE NOT HOLDING BACK, UM, TO GET THIS ADOPTED. WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS USING THIS AS, UH, ONE OF THE GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS. WILL WE GET A LOOK AT THAT, LIKE DESIGNS [03:40:01] AND HOW THAT MIGHT, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE BEFORE IT'S IMPLEMENTED OR HAVE WE APPROVED IT AND IT'S, SO THAT'S WHY EACH ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO USE THE TOOLBOX AND THEY'LL BE SITUATIONAL. UM, I THINK IF THERE'S PARTICULAR COMMENTS OR THINGS THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OR THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION, WE'RE ALWAYS ALL EARS. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE PLAN TO BRING EVERY SINGLE DESIGN FORWARD, UM, UNLESS YOU DIRECT US TO DO SO. UM, BUT HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AT ANY TIME AND GO THROUGH ANY OF THOSE. THANK YOU. AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS IN THE TOOLBOX. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE LIGHTING AS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO REALLY CONSIDER IF YOU HAVEN'T BE A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE ENHANCED CROSSWALKS ON BELTWAY IN THE ENHANCED CROSSWALKS. ON PROTON. I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY WORKED UNTIL WE PUT THOSE LIGHTS UP SO DRIVERS COULD SEE THERE WAS SOMEONE TRYING TO CROSS. SO I, I HOPE WE CAN IMPLEMENT SOME SORT OF LIGHTING AT ALL OF THESE INTERSECTIONS. UM, THE TEXTURE PAVEMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDING, THEY SORT OF DISAPPEAR AT NIGHT AND THEN OVER TIME IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE ALSO STARTING TO FADE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN CONSIDER THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT OR DESIGNATE THOSE CROSSWALKS, BUT I, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED. SURE. UM, AND THEN JUST ON THE PRIORITY PROJECTS, I DIDN'T SEE SURVEYOR AND ARAPAHO, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT. UM SURE, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY JUST, THERE'S NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW. ABSOLUTE, ABSOLUTELY. UM, YOU DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE SURVEYOR ARAPAHO IS ACTUALLY IN A PROJECT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON. UM, KIMLEY HO HORN HAS ALREADY BEEN HIRED AND WE HAVE A, WHAT'S CALLED A HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM GRANT TO FACILITATE THAT PROJECT. SO YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THE LIST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEING TAKEN CARE OF. GREAT. OKAY. GOOD. AND THEN, UM, THERE, THERE ARE PIECES OF THE REDDING TRAIL THAT CUT THROUGH SOME OF OUR WRE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THOSE, THOSE CROSSINGS HAVE BEEN WORN. I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT I HOPE THAT MAKES IT ON SOME OF THE PRIORITY LISTS AS WELL. A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE REDDING TRAIL TO GET TO SOME OF THE DOG PARK. SO I KNOW IT SEES A LOT OF ACTIVITY, BUT IT'S NOT PROPERLY MARKED. SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF YOU GAVE SOME THOUGHT TO THAT. UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS ADDISON ROAD, THE BUS STOPS. WHERE DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT? HAS THAT MADE IT ON THE LIST OF PRIORITIES? UH, CROSSWALKS AT THE BUS STOPS? SO, UM, AS FAR AS ADDISON ROADS SPECIFICALLY, UM, WE HAVE HAD KIMBERLY HORN DO AN EVALUATION OF ADDISON ROAD AND ADDISON CIRCLE FOR A POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. IT CURRENTLY DOES NOT MEET WARRANTS, BUT WE WILL BE WORKING THROUGH AREAS OF WHICH IT MAKES SENSE TO ADD ADDITIONAL CROSSING. THERE'S ALREADY ONE AT AIRPORT PARKWAY. UM, AND THEN LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO SPECIFICALLY AT ADDISON CIRCLE SO INDIVIDUALS CAN GET FROM ONE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY TO THE OTHER. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE KIMBERLY HORNET LOOKING AT OVERALL ON THAT ENTIRE STRETCH. UM, REALLY FROM BELTLINE ALL THE WAY NORTH UP TO THE KELLER SPRINGS AREA. SO JUST, SORRY. I WOULD JUST SAY ON ADDISON ROAD, JUST IN PARTICULAR, I THINK THAT IS WHEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH A SHORT WORK SESSION AS WE DEVELOP PLANS AND COME HAVE A CONVERSATION BEFORE WE PROCEED. OKAY. THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE GREAT. I KNOW THAT'S REALLY HAPPY TO DO SO. AND THEN WHERE IS THAT BUS STOP ON ADDISON ROAD? THERE ARE SEVERAL. UM, THERE ARE ACTUALLY FOUR. UM, THERE IS ONE LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO WHERE, UH, NEWTOWN HALL IS, UM, JUST NORTH OF THE ADDISON CIRCLE AND ADDISON ROAD INTERSECTION. WELL, THE, SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S GOING NORTHBOUND. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT STREET IS THAT? NOT WAY. ADDISON CIRCLE ROAD, IT, ADDISON CIRCLE ROAD. UH, WILL THERE BE A CROSSWALK THERE? SO THAT'S WHAT DAVID'S MENTIONING IS WE WOULD COME BACK TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THOSE AREAS OF WHICH WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD FACILITATE TRAFFIC THROUGH. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT SAFELY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH A PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON, A RAPID RE RECTANGULAR FLASHING BEACON, ALL THESE LONG WORDS. YEAH. OKAY. . UM, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS, BUT THEY'RE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT AND THAT'S GREAT. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE WOULD EVALUATE. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ENOUGH TIME TO CLARIFY ONE THING. THE PLAN DOES SHOW A POTENTIAL TOOLBOX ELEMENT BEING THE PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON AT THAT LOCATION. OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ON IT AND YOU'RE AWARE OF IT. THANK YOU. CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIMME A DEFINITION OF, OF THAT HYBRID BEACON WHAT IT YEAH, SO THERE'S ONE ON BELTLINE. UM, ESSENTIALLY THE PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON IS THE THREE LIGHT STRUCTURE. IT DOES HAVE A RED BALL, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO STOP LEGALLY, PARDON ME, WHERE THE TRAIL CROSSING IS. WHERE THE TRAIL CROSSING IS. NOT FAR FAR. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH FROM WHERE YOU AND I MET NEAR THE FROST BANK, IT'S NOT CROSSING. OH, I SEE. OKAY. YES, I'M WITH YOU. IT'S NEAR SURVEYOR. YOU MANUAL WELL ACTIVATE. SO IT ONLY ACTIVATES WHEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO CROSS. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE STOPPING THAT TRAFFIC ON A CONSTANT BASIS. CORRECT. AND, AND ONE OF THE COME BACK WITH ALL THE OPTIONS AND THANK YOU DAVID, FOR SAYING THAT'LL BE IN THE FUTURE AND I'LL MENTION, UH, CHRIS TO YOUR QUESTION. THE, UH, STATE OF TEXAS HAS A, UH, [03:45:01] MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND THAT DOCUMENT IS BEING UPDATED AND SHOULD BE ADOPTED BY THE STATE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, UH, TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE FEDERAL MANUAL. AND IT HAS SPECIFIC CHANGES TO SOME OF THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN SIGNING AND CROSSING MARKINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO IT'S TIMELY THAT THAT'LL BE INCORPORATED AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOOK, START LOOKING AT NEW IMPROVEMENTS. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I'M JUST GONNA RE I'M JUST BECKY, I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE WHAT CHRIS SAID ABOUT SURE. THOSE SIDEWALKS AND MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO REALLY CALL THEM OUT BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY. I MET WITH JENNA ON ONE SORT OF SHARE WITH HER WHEN YOU'RE WESTBOUND EASTBOUND SUNLIGHT IN YOUR FACE, YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE STOP SIGNS. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MORE OF A FLASHING, THANK YOU FOR SURE. OTHER QUESTIONS, MARLON? YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, ON THE SPEED LIMIT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SURE. I LIKE, I LIKE ALL OF THEM EXCEPT FOR, UM, ARAPAHOE ROAD, FROM MARSH LANE TO ADDISON ROAD. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE OFF BELTLINE AS POSSIBLE AND UM, AND FOR ME, UH, WITH THE BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING THAT STRETCH 40 MILES SEEMS APPROPRIATE. SO THAT'S JUST, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, MARLON. YEAH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT TOO. I CAN AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. I LIKE ALL THOSE OTHER DECREASES. THOSE ARE GREAT. AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE TOOLBOX EVERY, ON THE SIDEWALKS ON THE MT PMTP PLAN, I SEE A LOT OF JUST STRAIGHT LINE, STRAIGHT LINE, STRAIGHT LINES EVERYWHERE. IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE TOOLBOX THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE, HAVE A PEDESTRIAN PATH THAT WOULD KIND OF SERPENTINE IN BETWEEN THE TREES? I IT MAY BE IN HERE. I JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S PART OF SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU COULD UTILIZE WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. YEAH, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WE CAN UTILIZE. IT'S GONNA BE, UM, REALLY DEPENDENT UPON RIGHT OF WAY AND WHERE THE END OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS. AND THEN, UM, THERE'S ALSO COST, UH, CONSIDERATIONS THAT GO INTO THAT IF WE HAVE TO GET A SIDEWALK EASEMENT, ET CETERA. UM, BUT IT IS OUR GOAL TO GET THE SIDEWALK OFF THE EDGE OF THE CURB LINE FOR SAFETY REASONS. UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ADDING ANY KIND OF CURVE OR, OR TRAIL TO IT AND CONNECTING TWO TRAILS IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO WITH ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. OKAY. WE U WE USED TO HAVE SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE WHAT I'M DESCRIBING IN FRONT OF THE OLD CROWN PLAZA PROPERTY AND, AND IT WAS A HECK OF A LOT SAFER THAN OUR 10 FOOT, UH, THING THAT WE HAVE NOW ON MIDWAY AND UH, JUST BECAUSE, AND IT WAS SHADED AND, AND SO, UM, AND WE'VE GOT THAT NOW IN FRONT OF GEORGE BUSH, UH, SCHOOL, BUT WE'VE GOT MORE LAND LIKE YOU SAID. BUT, UH, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT, UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE MEANDERING TO THOSE TREES DOES GIVE YOU A SAFETY, UH, MAKES ME FEEL A LOT SAFER THAN JUST A, A CURB. SURE. JUST ADD I AGREE TOTALLY. AND, AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME AREAS WHERE THAT'S ALREADY A GOAL, RIGHT? LIKE ON BELTLINE WE HAVE THOSE BELTLINE DEVELOPMENTS COME THROUGH. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT AS A DEFINED GOAL TO DO THAT, BUT EVERYWHERE IN TOWN WHERE WE CAN. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, QUESTION, UM, CHRIS ALLUDED TO IT, UH, IN THE TOOLBOX, THERE'S THE LIGHTING IS NOT IN THE TOOLBOX, LIKE ALONG SOME OF THE, THE WALKING PA TRAILS OR WALKING SIDEWALKS BESIDE THE STREET. IS, IS THAT PART OF THIS EFFORT OR IS THAT IN PARKS OR WHERE DOES LIGHTING? SO IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION OF WHICH, UM, WHERE THE LIGHTING WOULD BE TAKING PLACE. IF IT'S ON A ROADWAY NETWORK OF WHICH WE'RE CONSTRUCTING, LIGHTING IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERY TIME. IF IT'S AN AREA OF WHICH IS A TRAIL THAT'S GOING THROUGH A PARK OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ON. UM, SO IT'S REALLY SITUATIONAL, BUT AT ALL TIMES, LIGHTING IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THINKING ABOUT ON ALL PROJECTS. 'CAUSE WE DO REALIZE THAT IT CAN BE VERY DARK IN THOSE AREAS. UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IS THE NUMBER OF TREE CANOPIES AND MAKING SURE THE LIGHT IS ACTUALLY IN A POSITION WHERE IT ACTUALLY IS FOCUSING IN ON THE TRAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN SEE IT. UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE, THE TREE CANOPY CAN CAUSE THE LIGHT TO NOT BE SEEN. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE TREES ARE VERY IMPORTANT, SO THAT'S A BALANCE THAT WE'LL WORK THROUGH IN DESIGN. BUT DEFINITELY, UM, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING, AND MAYBE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD DO IS ADD LIGHTING TO THE PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX AS ANOTHER ELEMENT. THAT'S NOT HARD AT ALL FOR US TO, I I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE 'CAUSE IT IS A SAFETY. OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE MORE PLEASE. SURE, RANDY, TO TAG, I DIDN'T TO TAG ALONG WITH MARLON, I I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL THIS TONIGHT. I WOULD ALSO HAVE ISSUE WITH ADDISON ROAD BEING MOVED DOWN TO 35. I I TRULY BELIEVE 40 IF NOT 45 FOR A MAJOR ROUTE THROUGH THERE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF ADDISON AND BACK. [03:50:01] UH, I I AM PERFECTLY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT REMAIN AT 40. MYSELF. ADDISON ROAD ACTUALLY HAD AN 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED OF 36 MILES PER HOUR, WHICH MEANT THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOWER THAT SPEED LIMIT. UH, ONE THING ABOUT ADDISON TOO IS ALSO THE LANE CONFIGURATION BEING TWO TWO, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TO SLOW DOWN NATURALLY, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE RECOMMENDED LOWER SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE THE CONFIGURATION'S NATURALLY TOUGHER TO NAVIGATE, UM, IN A MORE DANGEROUS CONDITION THAN IF YOU HAD A MEDIAN. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THEM SLOW DOWN VOLUNTARILY, BUT I STILL FEEL 40 MILES AN HOUR IS NOT AN EXCESSIVE SPEED FOR SUCH A, A THOROUGHFARE AS THAT IS TO GET, TO GET THROUGH TOWN IS ALL I'M SAYING. YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, RANDY, BUT, BUT I, I DO DRIVE THAT ROAD LITERALLY EVERY DAY. I, I, I WENT THERE EVERY DAY AND, AND MOST OF THE TIME, UH, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT ANNOYED BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT GOING FAST ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S JUST BELOW 40 AND IT'S JUST USUALLY 35 AND SOMETIMES BELOW THAT. SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WITH, BUT THE TRAFFIC, I PREFER TO SEE THAT REMAIN. YEAH. BUT ON THEIR OWN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY GOING BELOW 40 HAPPY FOR IF, IF YOU WANT TO PAY MORE TAXES, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR MONEY. . CAN I ASK IF THAT SPECIFIC LIMITS OF ADDISON ROAD OR THE ENTIRE LENGTH? I WOULD SAY THE ENTIRE LENGTH IF YOU, IF YOU'VE GOT IT FROM NORTHBOUND TO BELT, UH, RATHER THAN MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT ON YOU TO, TO BREAK THAT UP, WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IF YOU JUST REMAIN THAT AT 40 IS WHAT I WOULD PREFER. I CAN AG I CAN AGREE WITH RANDY. ONE THING INWOOD RIGHT NOW IS 35 MILES PER HOUR. UH, AND THEN IT CHANGES IF FELT. YOU SEE THAT ON THERE OR I, OR I WOULD'VE COMMENTED 40 I THINK IS APPROPRIATE ON THAT ONE AS WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AND I, BUT THAT MAY COME UP AT A LATER DATE WHEN WE REDEVELOP. YEAH. AND I SEE, I THINK INWOOD IS GOOD AT 35 EVEN MAYBE EVEN LOWER BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN AND OUT OF WHERE THE LIQUOR STORES ARE AND OVER THERE. AND SO, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT ADDISON ROAD NORTH OF, UM, WEST GROVE AT, UH, XCEL PARKWAY. YEAH, XCEL PARKWAY. THERE'S A LOT OF ACCIDENTS THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TOO FAST AND, AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR ANYTHING. SO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER TRAFFIC WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE UP THROUGH THERE. JUST JUST FOR THAT REASON. I MEAN, BECAUSE I CAN COMPROMISE THERE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER ON STAFF. IF YOU DO ONE THING THERE, IT'S TO DO ONE MILE PER HOUR. LIKE YOU SAY, THEY'RE GOING SLOW ANYWAY, SO, BUT THEY'RE NOT WHEN THEY GET UP NORTH. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE, AND, AND THE ACCIDENTS ARE SEVERE. I'VE SEEN SOME REALLY BAD ONES UP THERE. YEAH. WHAT IS CAUSING THOSE DRIVER, DRIVER ERROR AND, AND SPEED AND I MEAN, I'M SURE ALL THE STUFF THAT'S USUALLY CAUSE CAUSES ACCIDENTS. YOU KNOW, I WORKED 35 AND A HALF YEARS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I NEVER COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS CAUSING ACCIDENTS. PEOPLE RUN INTO EACH OTHER. THAT'S WHAT CAUSE 'EM, YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT. IT AMAZES YOU. YEAH. ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? OH, WE'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. SORRY. NO, SIR. WE JUST, WE'RE OUR, REALLY OUR GOAL IS TO GET DIRECTION FROM YOU TODAY. I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK, A FEW ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD. SO THE NEXT TIME YOU'LL SEE THIS ITEM, WE'LL BE COMING FORWARD TO COUNSEL AS AN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEM FOR APPROVAL. SO IF THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, THEN WE'LL BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT FORWARD. GREAT. THANK YOU BECKY. THANK YOU CHRISTIAN. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE DONE FOR TONIGHT. WE'RE DONE. ALRIGHT. SO IT IS, UH, 9 47 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE EVENING. THANKS EVERYBODY. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT SIR. RANDY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.