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ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING PERMISSION,
[1. Call Meeting to Order]
UH, ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, 2025, UH, IN ORDER.AND, UH, FIRST THING WE ALWAYS DO IS PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INTO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, DUTY AND JUSTICE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SERVES IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO THE TOWN, EVALUATING, PLANNING, ZONING, AND SUBDIVISION PROPOSALS, AND PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT POLICY.
THE COMMISSION'S PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO ENSURE RESPONSIBLE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT BY ADHERING TO ESTABLISH PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND OVERSEEING THE ADMINISTRATION OF ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
THESE EFFORTS ARE INTENDED TO UPHOLD THE SAFETY, WELFARE, AND OVERALL WELLBEING OF THE RESIDENTS WORKFORCE AND VISITORS.
SO, A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS, COMMISSIONERS.
IT WAS COMMENTED THAT SOME OF YOUR MICS ARE NOT PICKING UP VERY WELL ON OUR WORK SESSION, SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THEY'RE SUPER CLOSE TO YOUR MOUTH.
AND THE GREEN BUTTON IS LIT, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU IN ATTENDANCE AND ANYONE ELSE ON THE LINE, UH, PORTIONS OF THE MEETING WOULD BE, WILL BE OPENED UP FOR COMMENT, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND PLEASE REMEMBER THAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE LEFT OR UH, CONTAINED TO THREE MINUTES.
UH, YOU ARE, UH, DIRECT REFRAINED FROM ASKING QUESTIONS TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS MAY, UH, ASK YOU QUESTIONS, SO YOUR YOUR CHOICE.
[ Consent Agenda: All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]
OF BUSINESS IS THE CONSENT AGENDA IN WHICH DO YOU WANNA TAKE OVER? OKAY.LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
UH, THERE ARE THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE, UH, ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S THE FIRST IS CONSIDER ACTION ON THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED IN THE PACKET FOR, UH, REVIEW AND REFERENCE.
THE, UH, NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER ACTION ON A FINAL PLAT FOR THE AMLI TREE HOUSE EDITION BLOCK, ONE LOTS ONE THROUGH NINE, 10 X 11 THROUGH 15, 16 X 17 THROUGH 22, 22 X, 24 THROUGH 37, AND 38 X FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON 13.6 ACRES, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF MIDWAY ROAD AND BELTWAY DRIVE, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER FP 2025 DASH OH THREE SLASH AMATE TREE HOUSE EDITION THAT ALSO WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET.
STAFF REVIEWED THAT, UM, AND DEEMED IT, UM, COMPLETE AND ACCURATE FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION BY, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND THE NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER ACTION ON A FINAL PLAT FOR THE AMLE TREE HOUSE ADDITION TWO BLOCK ONE LOTS, ONE, ONE A TWO THROUGH 1920 X, 21 THROUGH 25, 26 X 27 THROUGH 31, AND 32 X FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON 8.2 ACRES, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF INTERSECTION, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF MIDWAY ROAD AND BELTWAY DRIVE, UM, CASE FP 2025 DASH OH FOUR SLASH AND TREE OFF EDITION TWO.
DO I HAVE A MO MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS ON CONSENT AGENDA, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PLAQUES.
ANY OPPOSED? HAVING HEARD NONE, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
[4. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a Special Use Permit for property located at 4460 Belt Line Road, that is currently zoned Commercial Limited (CL) for a restaurant to allow late-night hours of operation and on-site consumption of hookah. Case 1937-SUP/4460 Belt Line Road (Prestige Ambiance Hookah Lounge).]
ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.HOLD A HEARING PRESENT AND DISCUSS REAL QUICKLY.
I, I ABSTAIN FROM THAT, BUT, OH, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I DON'T FEEL I HAVE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION ON THE PLOTS.
IS THAT AN, DOESN'T HE HAVE TO TAKE A PO THAT HE DENIES? PARDON? IS THAT ALLOWED OR DOES HE HAVE TO DENY? I THINK HE HAS TO VOTE, BUT I'M, I'M, THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
REAL QUICK, I THINK WE LOOKED THIS UP NOT TOO LONG AGO
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FINDING IT FOR COUNSEL.THERE ARE ONLY TWO SCENARIOS IN WHICH A COMMISSIONER, UH, SHOULD HAVE ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON A MATTER, UM, ONE, A STATUTORY CONFLICT, AND TWO, IF AN APPLICANT HAS TRIED TO INFLUENCE THE COMMISSIONER'S VOTE, UM, UNLIKE A COUNCIL MEMBER PLANNING AND ZONING, COMMISSIONER IS NOT ALLOWED TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING TO AVOID A PURSUED CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, UM, THEN I'LL VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE AND AMEND MY VOTE.
UH, I STILL NEED TO GO OVER FOUR AND JUST, I TELL THE THEY DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE POSTPONEMENT OR DO WE, UH, YOU'RE STILL GONNA MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 44 60 BELTLINE ROAD THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL LIMITED FOR A RESTAURANT TO ALLOW LATE NIGHT HOURS OF OPERATIONS AND ONSITE CONSUMPTION OF HOKA HOOKAH, WHATEVER.
IT'S PA UH, CASE NUMBER 1937 DASH SUP SLASH 44 60 BELTLINE ROAD, PRESTIGE AMBIANCE, HOOKAH LOUNGE.
COREY, I'LL TURN OVER TO YOU FOR PRESENTATION.
YES, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
COREY BECK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, TODAY I HAVE AN SUP REQUEST FOR A RESTAURANT WITH LATE NIGHT HOURS AN SUP FOR A RESTAURANT TO ALLOW LATE NIGHT HOURS AND OF OPERATION IN AN ONSITE CONSUMPTION OF HOOKAH.
UM, I WILL, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET MY, UM, COURT, UH, YEAH.
UM, SO
UM, AND THEN IT IS UP TO YOU, UH, AS THE COMMISSION ON, UH, WHETHER TO, UH, TO, UM, DO THE POSTPONEMENT OR TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A DECISION ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THIS PRO UH, PROPERTY, UM, UNDERNEATH THE STAR WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED LOCAL RETAIL IN 1986 AND HAD AN, UH, SUP FOR A RESTAURANT WITH, UH, SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION IN 1991.
THEN SOMETIME BETWEEN 20 15, 20 16 BECAME VACANT.
UM, AND IN 2025, THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM LOCAL RETAIL TO OUR COMMERCIAL LIMITED, UM, BASED OFF OF THE ADOPTION OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND THEN TODAY WE HAVE THAT, UH, SUP REQUEST FOR AN A RESTAURANT TO ALLOW LATE NIGHT HOURS AND ONSITE CONSUMPTION OF, UH, HOOKAH.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH A LOT OF PLANS FOR THIS, UH, REQUEST.
WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE FULL SITE AS OF RIGHT NOW.
UM, BEFORE I GO DIVING INTO THE BUILDING ITSELF, UM, THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE SCREEN IS BELTLINE.
IT IS ROTATED TO FIT ON THE SCREEN SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT.
THIS IS NORTH, SO GOING TOWARDS
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THE RIGHT IS NORTH.UM, BUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF, UM, IS I THINK A LITTLE OVER FIVE ACRES.
UM, AND IS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING WITH, UH, PARKING TO THE FRONT, REAR AND SIDE OF IT.
SO FOR THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE REQUEST, UM, IT'S ROUGHLY EIGHT, ALMOST 9,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IT INCLUDES A MAIN BUILDING SLASH DINING AREA ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AN OUTDOOR PATIO, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN BLUE AND A ROOFTOP BAR, UM, ON THE FRONT PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
THIS DOES, UH, CHANGE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OVERALL BY ABOUT 1,700 SQUARE FEET.
UM, I PROVIDED THE EXISTING, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 7,000 SQUARE FEET WITH THE ADDITION TO THE, UM, OF THE ROOFTOP BAR AND A LITTLE BIT OF A, UM, SUBTRACTION FROM THE OUTDOOR PATIO ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UM, IT DOES STILL BRING THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING AND USE ITSELF TO, UM, A 1,700 SQUARE FEET OVER WHAT THE EXISTING BUILDING IS.
AND THEN THIS IS A CLOSEUP OF THE ROOFTOP PATIO, UM, A BAR AREA FOR PROPOSED SEATING.
UH, THEY DO HAVE, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO 280 SEATS.
THE ORIGINAL SET SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY HAD 199 SEATS.
IT DID NOT INCLUDE OUTDOOR PATIO OR A ROOFTOP BAR.
UM, IT ONLY HAD INDOOR SEATING.
HOWEVER, THE, UM, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM 1991 DID INCLUDE FIXED SEATING.
SO THAT IS ONE MAJOR DIFFERENCE AS WELL.
THE PROPOSAL NOW IS 161 SEATS INSIDE OF THE MAIN DINING WITH ROUGHLY 70 SEATS OF THAT BEING FIXED.
HOWEVER, IT IS AGAINST THE EXTERIOR WALLS OR THE WALL OF THE KITCHEN.
IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DINING AREA.
IT DOES INCLUDE 57 OUTDOOR SEATS, UM, ON THE MAIN FLOOR PATIO.
AND THEN 62 SEATS ON THE ROOFTOP BAR BRINGING TO A TOTAL 280, WHICH IS A DIFFERENCE OF A OF 81 SEATS FROM THE ORIGINAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THEN AGAIN, UM, FOR THE ROOFTOP BAR, THERE IS VERY LITTLE FIXED SEATING UPON RIGHT ACROSS THE BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT THE REST OF IT IS NON-FIXED.
AND ROUGHLY SIX IS 62 SEATS FOR HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, THE PROPOSAL FROM, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT IS TO BE OPEN FROM 10:30 AM TO MIDNIGHT SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY TO BE OPEN FROM 10:30 AM TO 2:00 AM STAFF DID DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE RESTAURANTS WITHIN A THOUSAND FOOT BUFFER, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD OPERATING, UM, PROCEDURE FOR WHEN WE ARE, UM, ANALYZING FOR LATE NIGHT HOURS.
UM, THERE ARE 13 RESTAURANTS WITHIN THAT AREA.
OF THOSE 13 RESTAURANTS, ONLY TWO ARE OPEN, PAST 11:00 PM UM, ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT OF THE WEEK.
THE, UM, AREAS OUTLINED OR THE TIMES OUTLINED IN, UH, RED ARE WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THE, UM, FOR THE SUP.
AND OF THOSE TWO, UM, THE LONDON LONDONER PUB IS OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, UH, WHICH IS OFF OF MIDWAY.
AND, UH, CHILI'S, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, IS OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
UH, THE PARKING DOES COMPLY WITH OUR TOWN, UM, FOR, UH, UH, UH, ORDINANCE OR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THEY'VE PER, WE REQUIRE 88 PARKING SPACES.
THEY'RE PROVIDING 88 PARKING SPACES BASED OFF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THEIR USE.
THE FACADES IS A MAJOR RENOVATION, UM, MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THREE OF THE FACADES.
THE BACK FACADE IS THE BACKUP HOUSE.
IT'S NOT GETTING REALLY A FACELIFT OTHER THAN SOME PAINT.
HOWEVER, THE EX FRONT FACADE, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE IS A MAJOR SHIFT.
UM, IT IS A MORE MODERN, UH, FACADE AND INCLUDES, UM, METAL AND, UH, CONCRETE, KIND OF LIKE STUCCO, BUT CONCRETE PANELS.
UM, WHEREAS, UH, THE CURRENT FACADE IS BRICK AND STUCCO.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE DIFFERENT ARE THAT THE PATIO AREA WILL NO LONGER HAVE A STUCCO, UH, HALF WALL FENCE AROUND IT.
IT'S PROPOSED TO BE A METAL FENCE NOW.
AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE IMAGES, THE RENDERINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
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AND OFF TO THE, UM, WESTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.AND THEN THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH CHILI'S IS ON, UH, THIS LO THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR LANDSCAPING.
UM, THE REQUIREMENT IS 20% OPEN SPACE FOR THIS ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THE EXISTING OPEN SPACE IS 16.2%.
THEY ARE INCREASING EVER SO SLIGHTLY TO 16.7%.
UM, SO THAT GETS THEM HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, HOWEVER, STILL IS NOT AT THAT 20%.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS WHERE IT WAS A, A DIFFICULT TIME MEETING, THE EXACT CODE IS ALONG THIS, UH, WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE IS A, A PARKING LOT SCREENING REQUIREMENT THAT IT REQUIRES A CONTINUOUS, UM, ROW OF SHRUBS AS WELL AS A SHADE TREE EVERY 35 FEET.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE OVERHEAD POWER LINES IN THIS AREA THAT DO PREVENT SHADE TREES FROM BEING PLANTED HERE.
SO TO STILL MEET THE INTENT OF THAT REQUIREMENT, THEY DID, UH, OPT TO PUT IN ORNAMENTAL TREES.
OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THIS AND IS OKAY WITH IT.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, THEY'RE REMOVING THREE TREES ON SITE WITH A TOTAL OF 36 CALIBER INCHES BEING REMOVED.
THEY'RE REPLANTING 32 CALIBER INCHES, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE ARE FOUR INCHES INCHES, FOUR CALIBER INCHES THAT WILL NEED TO BE MITIGATED THROUGH THE MITIGATION TREE MITIGATION FEE, WHICH IS ROUGHLY $768.
WE DID NOTICE, UM, WE DID RECEIVE, UM, INFORMATION AFTER THIS PRESENTATION WAS PUT TOGETHER.
UM, AND IT HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN YOUR ONENOTE OR YOUR, IN YOUR ONENOTE, IN YOUR SHAREPOINT
UM, UH, WE HAVE A RESIDENT THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF WHO GO RESTAURANTS, UM, IN THE AREA.
SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED AND HAS MADE, UM, SEVERAL CONDITIONS AS ARE PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, HOWEVER, WITH ALL OF THESE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
ESSENTIALLY, THE FIRST ONE IS TO, UH, PREVENT THE LOCATION OR ESTABLISHMENT FROM, UH, TURNING INTO AN EVENT CENTER AFTER HOURS, DURING HOURS, ANYTIME LIKE THAT, UM, TO YES.
UM,
UM, THEN WE HAVE, UH, THAT THERE'S NOT TO BE ANY COVER CHARGES, TICKET SALES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AS WELL AS DJ'S, DANCE FLOORS, STAGE PERFORMERS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
UM, THE ESTABLISHMENT SHALL, UM, REMAIN AS 60% OF THE FLOOR AREA BEING DEDICATED TO DINING.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA.
UM, AND THEN THAT THE, UH, ESTABLISHMENT CLOSES NO LATER THAN 12:00 AM MIDNIGHT ON ALL DAYS OF THE WEEK, AND CAN OPERATE, CAN OPEN NO EARLIER THAN 10:00 AM, UH, BE BRING YOUR OWN BEVERAGE SERVICES WOULD BE PROHIBITED.
AND THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS LIMITED TO THIS SPECIFIC OPERATOR.
IT, UH, DOES NOT TRANSFER TO FUTURE TENANTS.
AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, UM, APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT THIS BE POSTPONED UNTIL NOVEMBER.
A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM.
BUT IF NOT, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
COREY, WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN OUT OUTSIDE STAIRWELL? YES.
LIKE THAT'S A FREESTANDING STAIRWELL THAT WHEN THE PLACE IS CLOSED, I CAN GO WALK UP THERE FROM THE PLANS.
UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT COULDN'T BE ADDED.
WELL NOTE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS THERE FOR SECURITY AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I SEE PROBLEMATIC WITH THAT IF IT COMES BACK IN IN NOVEMBER.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR CORY? I WOULD JUST MAKE THE COMMENT THAT, THAT I MADE DURING THE, A LOT OF THIS STUFF HAS, IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO BUILDING AND A DA REQUIREMENTS, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO PUT IN, IN A, UH, REGULATION THAT THEY DO NOT USE OUTDOOR MUSIC AFTER.
WELL, OUR TYPICAL THING IS, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF SPEAKERS BLARING OUT THERE AT MIDNIGHT.
UM, I THINK WE SHUT MOST PEOPLE DOWN AT 10 OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T, WHATEVER OUR TYPICAL LANGUAGE IS, I LIKE TO ADD THAT INTO THERE.
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AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORK SESSION, I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT, UH, THERE ARE SOME A DA COMPLIANCE ISSUES, SPECIFICALLY THE, THE, UM, THE, THE BALCONY, THE, THE TERRACE, UH, SEATING WILL REQUIRE AN ELEVATOR THAT'S TYPICALLY, UH, UH, GIVEN AS A SEPARATE USE.AND SO THEY WON'T, THEY'LL REQUIRE AN ELEVATOR TYPICALLY, OR SOME OTHER PROVISION.
AND I'LL JUST REITERATE, YEAH, I'M COOL WITH POSTPONING THIS TO NOVEMBER.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY INITIAL FEEDBACK IS, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE LATE NIGHT HOURS FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAYS.
LIKE I SAID, YOU COULD WALK DOWN THE STREET TO THE QUARTER BAR FROM THIS PLACE.
YOU COULD WA IT'S NOT FUN, BUT YOU COULD, AND THEY'RE OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM.
UH, SO TO PLACE THAT RESTRICTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE BARS LIKE THE BACK NINE WAY CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL THAT ARE OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM SEEMS UNNECESSARY HERE.
UM, AND AGREE WITH ALL THE OTHER POINTS THE COMMISSIONERS MADE THOUGH, UH, WOULD YOU, UM, BE AT REMOVING THE CONDITION OF ALL DAYS OF THE WEEK AND JUST ALLOWING IT ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, SO LET THEM STAY OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM FRIDAY, SATURDAY.
IF THEY WANT THE OTHER HOURS, I'M FINE WITH, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN.
YEAH, I HAVE IT DONE AS A NOTE.
I GLAD THAT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK HE SPEAKS FOR ALL OF US, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, COREY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.
WOULD THE, THANKS COREY, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME SPEAK OR NOT? UM, PLEASE STATE NAME, ADDRESS FOR ALL OF US PLEASE.
CHAIR, COMMISSION AND STAFF WADE HARDEN, 7 21 4 CIRCLE 7 3 0 9 3.
UM, JUST WANNA REQUEST THE CONTINUANCE OF THIS ITEM TO NEXT MONTH.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENINGS OUTTA THE COUNTRY AND WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO WE'RE POLITELY REQUESTING THAT YOU CONTINUE THIS TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
I HAVE TAKEN NOTES ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND, AND WE'LL COME BACK PREPARED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ITEMS AS WELL.
SO YOUR ROLE IN THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER, AND IS THIS AN OWNER OCCUPIED OR IS HE LEASING THIS SPACE? THIS, THIS WILL BE OWNER O OWNER OCCUPIED.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF YOU? OKAY, THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, BUT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, FEEL FREE TO DO SO AT THIS TIME BY STATING NAME AND ADDRESS AT THE PODIUM.
AND I'LL CHECK WITH SCOTT TO SEE IF ANYBODY IS ONLINE OR OKAY.
I NEED YOU TO GET, WILL YOU? YEAH, I FORGOT THE PAPER TOO.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS, WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, BRANDING THE MIX, UH, OR THE BARBECUE RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND, UM, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UM, JUST THE MIX OF WHAT'S COMING.
AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UH, OF, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT JUST TO VIEW IT.
HOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHO'S COMING OVER THERE? UH, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, IT'S JUST A, A BRAND THAT I WOULD PUT ACROSS THE STREET, UM, IF I WAS GONNA DO ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN THE CITY.
SO THAT'S JUST ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS I NEED, OH, SORRY, I NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR OPEN COMMENTS.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR COREY OR LESLIE BEFORE WE MOVE REAL QUICK.
CAN, CAN YOU CLARIFY SOMETHING AT THE PODIUM? ONE OF YOU, SO IF YOU, IF I, I KNOW THAT TOM HAD MADE COMMENTS ABOUT OUR, OUR TYPICAL LANGUAGE FOR SOUND AS IT RELATED TO MUSIC, MIC, WHATEVER, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE GONNA BE ALLOWED ON THIS TOP PATIO? LIKE ALMOST 200, UH, THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS NOT DONE AN OCCUPANCY.
BUT AT THIS MOMENT, SO, BUT JUST FOR THIS POINT, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWED WAS 200 AND, UH, 60 OR 280.
THAT DOES STILL CREATE, I MEAN, VOICES TALKING IN THE NIGHT.
SO THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE REQUIRED TO STICK TO NORMAL SOUND ORDINANCES REGARDLESS IF WE PUT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE COVERED IN YOUR RULES THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING SOME STIPULATION WE PUT ON YOU THAT THERE IS ENFORCEABLE TOWN.
NN NON MICS, NO DJ BEYOND THAT, JUST A BUNCH OF US GATHERING CAN HIT OVER THOSE.
I I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEAR IF IT COMES BACK NEXT MONTH.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? IS THAT A NO OR YES, GO AHEAD.
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NO,I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT I WANNA SAY.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT STAFF LOOKED AT IT WITH, SINCE IT'S, UH, ALL MOVABLE SEATING, THEN YOU GO TO, UH, WHAT SEVEN SQUARE FEET PER PERSON ON YOUR OCCUPANCY LOAD HAVE, HAVE YOU RUN IT THAT WAY? OR ARE YOU USING THE TABLES? UH, THE COUNTS, UH, THE OCCUPANCY LOAD HAS NOT BEEN CALCULATED AT THIS, AT THIS TIME.
WELL LET, LET'S ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE HE RUNS EVERYTHING SINCE IT'S ALL MOVABLE TABLES, IF I'M RECALLING MY CODE RIGHT.
THAT'S SEVEN SQUARE FEET PER PERSON.
AND SO YOU'VE GOT EXITING AND RESTROOMS AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
CAN I HEAR ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.
DO I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS TILL NOVEMBER? I SECOND.
[5. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to rezone an 11.6± acre property, generally located at the southeast corner of Addison Road and Excel Parkway, boarding the Addison town boundary and the Dallas North Tollway to the east, addressed as 16641 Dallas Parkway, from Planned Development (PD), Ordinance No. 020-47, to Mixed-Use Suburban Corridor (M-2) and a new Planned Development (PD) District with use and development standards for multifamily residential, fee-simple townhomes, and associated private open space and common areas, through the approval of development plans and standards. Case 1939-Z/ Addison Toll Road Development (Addison Rd & Excel Pkwy).]
TIME ON THE AGENDAS, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSSED, AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TOONE, A 11.6 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PROPERTY, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ADDISON ROAD AND XCEL PARKWAY, BORDERING THE ADDISON TOWN BOUNDARY AND THE NORTH DALLAS TOLLWAY TO THE EAST ADDRESS IS 1 66 41 DALLAS PARKWAY.FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD ORDINANCE 0 2 0 DASH 47 TO MIXED USE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR M DASH TWO AND A NEW PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PD DISTRICT WITH USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL FEE, SIMPLE TOWN HOMES AND ASSOCIATED PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND COMMON AREAS THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND STANDARDS CASE.
1939 DASH Z ADDISON TOLL ROAD DEVELOPMENT, ADDISON ROAD AND XL PARKWAY.
A NON RUN ON SENTENCE NEXT TIME WOULD BE GREAT.
'CAUSE THAT TOOK A LOT TO, I NEEDED A, AND I PROBABLY WASN'T ON THAT WHOLE TIME.
WAS I NOT
UH, LESLIE, I, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, UH, PRESENTING ITEM FIVE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, UM, CASE 1939 Z ADDISON TOLL ROAD DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS REQUEST IS, UH, ENCOMPASSES, UH, JUST UNDER 12 ACRES AT, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF ADDISON ROAD AND XCEL PARKWAY.
IT'S BORDERED ON THE FRONT BY THE, UH, DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY FRONTAGE ROAD.
UM, THE ADDRESS, OR EXCUSE ME, THE PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED AS 16 6 4 1 DALLAS PARKWAY.
THE REQUEST THIS EVENING IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2020 TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE, UM, BASE DISTRICT AS A MIXED USE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR M TWO DISTRICT, WITHIN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE SITE HISTORY.
UM, SO PRIOR TO 1983, IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN IN 1983, IT WAS ZONED TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING.
I REFERENCED THIS IN THE WORK SESSION.
IT WAS, UM, UM, ULTIMATELY LED INTO THE SISTER OF THE ONE HANOVER PLACE, WHICH IS AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS, WHICH OCCURRED IN 1985 AND 1997 TO EXPAND UPON AND, UM, MODIFY THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THAT OFFICE BUILDING.
IN 2008, THERE WAS A REZONE TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A HOSPITAL.
AND THEN LATER IN 2020, WHICH WAS THE MOST RECENT ZONING ACTION, IT WAS REZONED TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR SENIOR HOUSING.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS A, AN, UH, REZONING REQUEST TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY AND, UH, TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, ZONING THAT OCCURRED IN 2020.
SO IN OCTOBER, 2020, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR AN 11 STORY, UH, SENIOR LIVING FACILITY.
UM, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, YOU SEE HERE.
THIS INCLUDED AN CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR SENIOR, UM, LIVING THAT INCLUDED INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING, AND MEMORY CARE.
THERE WAS ALSO OTHER, UH, USES AND STANDARDS PUT IN PLACE FOR VARIOUS ACCESSORY USES THAT ARE YOU WOULD CUSTOMARILY FIND IN THIS STYLE OF, OF DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS, UM, LIKE A, A BARBER OR A HAIR SALON OR A COFFEE SHOP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT, UM, THIS INCLUDED.
SO THE, UM, THE APPLICANT TONIGHT WAS A PART OF THAT PROJECT, CAR COLEY PARTNERS, AND, UM, WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, IN 2020 WHEN IT GOT APPROVED, AND, UM, ULTIMATELY DUE TO THE PANDEMIC AND VARIOUS OTHER REASONS, THE PRO, THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS NOT VIABLE.
UM, SINCE THAT TIME, OR I SHOULD SAY FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I, THE APPLICANT HAS ADVERTISED THIS IS A, IT'S STILL OUT THERE TODAY.
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THERE'S A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY ADVERTISING FOR SENIOR HOUSING.THEY'VE EXPLORED SEVERAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES AND THEY ARE VERY DETAILED AND OUTLINED IN THE LETTER OF INTENT THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE PACKET, UH, FOR WHAT THEY, UM, DID EXPLORE.
ULTIMATELY, THEY FOUND NO VIABLE OPTIONS FOR, TO DEVELOP THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS SENIOR HOUSING, UH, IN THE LAST, UH, FIVE YEARS.
SO THEY HAVE EXPLORED OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL, UM, INCLUDING DESTINATION RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT, UM, THAT WAS ALSO DEEMED TO BE, UM, A NOT VIABLE OPTION.
AND BASED UPON, UM, KIND OF WIDESPREAD SUPPORT FOR FEE SIMPLE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY EXPLORED, UM, A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE HERE, UH, WITH THE REQUEST THIS EVENING.
SO THIS PROJECT, AS I MENTIONED, IS, UM, I THINK 11.6, 11.7 ACRES.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SPLIT IT INTO TWO TRACKS, TRACK ONE AND TRACK TWO.
UM, TRACK ONE IS, UH, ON THE LEFT HAND, EXCUSE ME, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND FRONTS ON THE DNT.
UM, AND THEN TRACK TWO IS THE TOWN HOME PORTION, WHICH IS, UH, LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF ADDISON ROAD AND XCEL PARKWAY.
THIS WOULD BE ULTIMATELY DIVIDED, UH, SUBDIVIDED, UM, WHERE THE RED LINE IS SHOWN, AND THERE WOULD ULTIMATELY BE TWO SEPARATE, UM, OWNERS OF THE, OF THE LAND, UM, THE HOA AND INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, AND THEN THE MULTIFAMILY.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THEM, I'M GONNA START WITH TRACK ONE HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
SO, UH, IT'S OUTLINED IN BLUE.
THIS WOULD BE THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT.
THE SITE ITSELF WOULD BE, UH, JUST OVER FOUR ACRES IN SIZE, UM, AND WOULD INCLUDE A FIVE STORY WRAP STYLE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, UH, WITH A PARKING GARAGE AS WELL AS INTERIOR COURTYARD.
THEY'RE PROPOSING 299 RENTAL UNITS.
UM, THE REQUEST WOULD BE APPROVAL OF A REZONE TO THE M TWO ZONING DISTRICT WITH APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHICH ARE INCLUDED.
AND THIS PORTION IS ANTICIPATED TO BE DEVELOPED BY COLLEAGUE PARTNERS.
TRACK TWO ON THE LEFT, UH, WHICH IS THE OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
THIS IS THE TOWN HOME PORTION.
THIS IS A LITTLE OVER SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES.
UM, IT IS ENVISIONED THAT THERE WILL BE 118 FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES.
THERE WILL BE THREE STORIES WITH REAR AND GARAGE ENTRY.
UM, THE REQUEST IS APPROVAL OF A REZONE TO M TWO WITH A BASE DISTRICT, UM, SPECIFIC TO TOWN HOMES PER THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AND THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE DEVELOPED BY CADENCE HOMES.
THEY, UM, CADENCE DOES NOT HAVE ANY OTHER PRODUCT THAT'S CURRENTLY, UM, DEVELOPED HERE IN ADDISON.
HOWEVER, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THEY ARE THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPER FOR THE AMLE TREE HOUSE PROJECT.
SO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, AND THIS IS OUTLINED IN THE, UM, ATTACHMENT FOR THE PERMITTED USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITHIN THE PACKET.
UM, TRACK ONE WOULD ALLOW ALL USES WITHIN THE M TWO, WHICH GENERALLY ALLOWS A VARIETY OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RETAIL, PERSONAL SERVICE OFFICE USES.
HOWEVER, IT WOULD, UM, BE CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
SO IF THEY WERE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET, AMEND AN AMENDMENT FOR THE APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
TRACK TWO, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP UNDER THE M TWO ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS AS DEFINED WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
HOWEVER, THE PERMITTED LAND USE, UH, USES ARE, UM, ONLY, THAT ARE ONLY ALLOWED WITHIN THE PD IS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR, OR TOWN HOMES.
SO NO OTHER LAND USES WOULD BE, UH, PERMITTED WITHIN THAT TRACT.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES ARE THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR TRACT ONE, WHICH IS THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, TRACT.
SO THESE DEVELOPMENT PLANS INCLUDE THE, WOULD INCLUDE THE APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, FACADE PLAN, AND FLOOR PLANS FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S A LITTLE OVER SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES.
UM, IT WOULD HAVE, UM, 299 UNITS WITH LEASING AND AMENITY SPACE AT THE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE NORTH, UH, EAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING ALONG D AND T.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER, UM, 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS AN INTERIOR COURTYARD THAT IS AMENITIZED AS WELL AS A, UM, A SMALL DOG PARK, UM, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE, UH, NORTH E UH, EXCUSE ME, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
PARKING IS PROVIDED, UM, BOTH WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE AS WELL AS, UH, SURFACE PARKING, UM, ON SITE.
SO HERE ARE THE PARKING COUNTS.
THE, IN BOTH INSTANCES, IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THIS PROJECT FOR TRACK ONE AND TRACK TWO WILL EXCEED THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, UM, BASED UPON OUR STANDARD PARKING REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE UDC.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY FOR ACCESS AND CIRCULATION, THERE IS ACCESS PROVIDED AT, UH, THREE POINTS TOTAL, ONE ON ADDISON ROAD, AND THEN TWO ON THE DALLAS NORTH TOY FRONTAGE ROAD.
ALL DRIVES WILL BE PRIVATELY OWNED AND MAINTAINED,
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AND THEY WILL ALSO PROVIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS AND THERE WILL BE CROSS ACCESS.SO THE T THE TREK ONE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO TREK TWO AND VICE VERSA.
SO, UM, FOR THE, UM, SITE, UH, OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING, UM, TRACK ONE AND TREK TWO WILL BE CONNECTED VIA SIDEWALKS WITH ENHANCED PAVEMENT.
AND THERE WILL BE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE SITE, UH, TO ALLOW, UM, BOTH ACCESS, UM, TO ALL THE SURROUNDING, UH, RIGHTS OF WAY.
THEY WILL HAVE, THE PROJECT WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO THAT INCLUDES, UM, CONSTRUCTING OR, UM, I THINK CONSTRUCTING.
I THINK THERE IS A PORTION OF SIDEWALK ACTUALLY ON THE D AND T AT SOME POINT, BUT THEY'LL EITHER HAVE TO CONSTRUCT OR, UM, ENHANCE THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS ALONG ALL OF THE FRONTAGES AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE MTP.
FOR THE MULTIFAMILY SPECIFICALLY, TRACK ONE, UM, THEY ARE ACHIEVING 22, UH, PERCENT OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE.
AND, UH, THIS EQUATES TO, UH, JUST UNDER AN ACRE.
MOST OF THIS IS, UH, CENTRALIZED TO THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS SOME AREA WITHIN THE INTERIOR COURTYARD.
THERE IS NOT, UM, LARGE SWATHS OF USABLE OPEN SPACE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IT'S, UH, VERY URBAN IN THAT INSTANT IN, IN THAT REGARD.
SO THERE WILL BE THE URBAN STREET SCAPE PERIMETER PROVIDED ALONG THE BUILDINGS, WHICH INCLUDES VARIOUS PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES LIKE STREET TREES, SIDEWALKS, UM, BENCHES AND SO FORTH.
THERE WILL ALSO BE PRIVATE AMENITIES ON SITE, WHICH INCLUDES A POOL, FITNESS CENTER, CLUBHOUSE, GAME ROOM, AND COWORKING SPACES.
THERE ARE CONCEPTUAL IMAGERY PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT WITHIN THE PACKET.
UM, THERE IS ONE LAND, THERE'S ONE ITEM OF RELIEF.
THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FROM THE UDC STANDARDS OF THE M TWO.
AND THAT IS, UH, THE OVERALL REDUCTION OF REQUIRED STREET TREES ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION FROM NINE STREET TREES TO FOUR.
UM, AND THIS IS DUE TO THE, I GUESS, PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING UTILITY EASEMENTS.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, THERE IS A GRAY HATCH.
ALL OF THAT AREA IS EXISTING, UM, UTILITY EASEMENTS.
AND SO THEY CANNOT, WE DON'T ALLOW THE PLANTING OF TREES ON TOP OF, UH, PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENTS AS IT CAN DAMAGE OUR PUBLIC UTILITY SYSTEM INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM FOR THE FACADE.
UM, THIS IS A FIVE STORY WRAP STYLE BUILDING.
UH, MATERIALS WILL PRIMARILY, UH, BE FIBER CEMENT PANEL BRICK GLAZING, UH, WITH METAL ACCENTS.
THE MOST OF THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, UNITS WILL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE EXTERIOR.
SEVERAL OF THEM WILL HAVE PRIVATE, UM, PRIVATE YARD AREAS.
AND, UH, THERE ARE VARIOUS, UH, RECESSED AND PROJECTING BALCONIES AS WELL AS ARTICULATION THROUGHOUT THE FACADE, UH, BOTH VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTAL.
AND THE ACCESS TO THE PARKING GARAGE IS FROM THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UNIT MIX.
UM, THERE IS A VARIETY OF STUDIO ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
SO 34 STUDIO A HUNDRED NINETY SIX, ONE BEDROOM AND 69 2 BEDROOM UNITS.
THE AVERAGE SIZE IS JUST OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
UM, THERE ARE VARIOUS, UM, INTERIOR CONSTRUCTION AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS RELATED TO RECYCLING, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENT APPLIANCES AND OTHER, UM, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
SO IN COMPLIANCE WITH TOWN POLICIES AND, UH, EXCUSE ME, COMPLIANCE WITH TAN TOWN LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT POLICIES.
STAFF REVIEWED THE 2013 COMP PLAN, THE ADDISON HOUSING PLAN, EXCUSE ME, HOUSING POLICY, AND OUR VARIOUS MASTER PLANS.
SO THE 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT, UM, SPEAK TO THIS SITE AT ALL.
IT DOES NOT REFERENCE WITHIN THE PLAN.
HOWEVER, I WILL NOTE THAT THE 2013 PLAN DID ENCOURAGE THE PRESERVATION OF LAND ALONG THE TOLLWAY CORRIDOR FOR HIGH DENSITY OFFICE BUILDINGS.
UM, THAT SENTIMENT MAY BE SOMEWHAT OUTDATED TO CURRENT, UM, THE CURRENT OFFICE MARKET.
THE 2017 HOUSING POLICY, WE WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UM, PRIMARILY, UH, ENCOURAGES FEE, SIMPLE OWNERSHIP OVER RENTAL.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS.
I WILL NOTE THAT THIS PROJECT DOES ACTUALLY INCREASE THE PROPORTION PROPORTIONALITY OF FEE, SIMPLE OWNERSHIP TO RENTAL IN ADDISON BY A VERY SMALL AMOUNT.
UM, I WILL SAY THIS IS, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS IN MY FOUR PLUS YEARS HERE THAT HAS ACHIEVED THIS, UM, UH, THE INCREASE.
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UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PROJECT DOES IMPROVE WALKABILITY IN THE AREA.WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE WORK SESSION.
IT WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE MTP.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES DON'T COMPLY 'CAUSE THEY ARE OLDER, UM, AND THEY HAVE NOT SEEN REDEVELOPMENT OR REINVESTMENT.
UM, BUT THIS DOES START US IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND AS WE SEE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, CONTINUE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND UPON OUR CONNECTIVITY, UM, AND, UH, NETWORK THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, AS IT EXISTS TODAY, IF IT WERE DEVELOPED AS PROPOSED TODAY, IT WOULD BE IN KIND OF A STANDALONE, UM, NON-INTEGRATED PROPERTY WITH THE SURROUNDING, UM, PROPERTIES.
UH, LASTLY, UH, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE, THE PROJECT DOES ALIGN WITH, UH, SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THE HOUSING POLICY.
UM, AS WE MENTIONED, IT DOES INCREASE THE, THE, UM, OWNERSHIP HOUSING, UM, THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE.
IT DOES CREATE AN URBAN COMMUNITY, AND IT DOES MORE CLOSELY ALIGN WITH THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO A MORE, A MORE DENSE PRODUCT TYPE.
SO, UH, WANNA GO THROUGH SOME HOUSING COUNTS.
UH, WE ONCE AGAIN, WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE WORK SESSION.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF SHOWING THE OVERALL TREND OF GROWTH.
THIS IS, UM, BASED, THIS IS BASED UPON EXISTING COUNTS, NOT ENTITLED, AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO THOSE.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UH, IF YOU, THE FIRST, UM, ITEM, OUR EXISTING HOUSING MIX, SO THIS IS EXISTING OCCU, WELL, I'M GONNA SAY, UM, PERMITTED, SIGNED OFF ON MAY OR MAY NOT BE OCCUPIED, BUT HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
SO WE'RE, UM, ABOUT 2021 TO 78, PUSHING 78.
UM, THE NEXT IS OUR EXISTING PLUS ARE ENTITLED.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THE APPROVED UNITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE, IN THE PIPELINE, IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN THE LAST ITEM HERE, THIS, UH, ONLY INCLUDES OUR EXISTING AND ENTITLED PLUS THIS PROPOSAL THIS EVENING.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OTHER PROPOSALS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PENDING.
AND THAT ONE WILL BE THE 20, I BELIEVE IT WAS 28 OR 29 FEE SIMPLE TOWNHOMES FROM COBALT THAT IS PENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT THAT INCREASE OF THE 0.3% THAT I REFERENCED.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION OF THE 28, UM, TOWN HOME UNITS.
UM, AND THEN THIS SHOWS WHERE THESE ARE THE ENTITLED FOR THE RENTAL OPTIONS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE AS WELL.
SO JUST GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT THIS DOES INCREASE OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE BY 0.3%, UH, FROM OWNERSHIP TO RENTAL FOR DENSITY COMPARISON.
SO, UM, I TOOK, UH, BOTH, I PULLED OUT BOTH PROPOSED TRACT ONE, WHICH IS THE MULTIFAMILY PROPOSED TRACK TWO WITH TOWNHOMES.
UM, AS FAR AS DENSITY IS CONCERNED, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THESE AREN'T, UM, THE, THE TOWNHOME IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY LOW DENSITY WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO SOME OF OUR OTHER, UM, PROJECTS.
HOWEVER, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THESE OTHER PROJECTS WERE, UM, EVALUATED FOR DENSITY BASED UPON A, A TOTAL UNIT WITH THE TOTAL PROJECT AND IT WAS NOT BROKEN OUT.
UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU DO TAKE THE AVERAGE RIGHT HERE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE TOTAL DENSITY OF THE TOTAL PROJECT, UM, AT ABOUT 36 UNITS PER ACRE, THEY ARE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER, UM, MIXED USE PROJECTS WE'VE SEEN FOR OTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENT POLICIES.
UM, WE DID EVALUATE A PRELIMINARY UTILITY AND DRAINAGE AND DETERMINE THAT AT THIS STAGE THERE IS SUFFICIENT, UM, WATER AND SEWER AND DRAINAGE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR.
UH, TIA WAS CONDUCTED FOR THE SITE AND DID NOT SHOW ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS OFFSITE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO NO ANTICIPATED ISSUES WITH PROVIDING, UM, SERVICES, UM, OR, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THIS CASE.
THERE ARE, UH, TREES PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
IF YOU'VE SEEN THE SITE, IT IS MOSTLY BEAR.
UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CLUSTERS OF EXISTING TREES WHICH YOU IDENTIFY, UH, WHAT ARE IDENTIFIED ON THAT PLAN.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UM, MORE THAN HALF OF THOSE EXISTING TREES ARE, UM, AN UNDESIRABLE TREE SPECIES THAT WE DO NOT PROTECT, UM, AND FOR VARIOUS REASONS, INCLUDING THAT MANY OF THEM ARE IN SIGNIFICANT DECLINE AS FAR AS HEALTH IS CONCERNED, AND THEY'RE CLUSTERED IN A WAY THAT REMOVAL.
SO EVEN IF THEY WERE TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE DEAD OR UNDESIRABLE TREES,
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THEY WOULD LIKELY NOT BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PROTECT ANYWAYS.SO WITH THAT, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE ALL OF THE TREES THAT ARE IN THOSE CLUSTERS, WHICH WOULD, UH, EQUATE 495 CALIPER INCHES.
HOWEVER, ONLY 218 CALIPER INCHES ARE PROTECTED TREES.
SO THE REMAINDER ARE, UM, THE UNPROTECTED TREES.
THEY'RE MITIGATING ABOUT HALF OF THOSE ON SITE THROUGH REPLANTING, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MITIGATE THE REMAINDER VIA FEE.
IN LIEU OF, UM, STAFF DID NOTIFY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN ADDISON THAT WERE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE THAT INCLUDED NINE RECIPIENTS.
WE NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES FROM THOSE, UM, RECIPIENTS.
HOWEVER, WE DID RECEIVE TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FROM ADDISON RESIDENCE, WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN THE, UM, IN YOUR ONEDRIVE, AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE EMAILED DIRECTLY TO YOU AS WELL.
UM, AND I WILL ALSO NOTE THE APPLICANT HAS NOT HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING, HOWEVER, THEY ARE, UM, THEY DO INTEND TO TRY TO DO THAT PRIOR TO.
AND THE ANTICIPATED CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH TENTATIVELY WOULD BE NOVEMBER 18TH, I BELIEVE, MID-NOVEMBER.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
AND THAT IS THAT THE APPLICANT ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, TO SOLIDIFY PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND TIMING OF THE FEE, SIMPLE TOWN HOMES AND VARIOUS MANAGEMENT PROVISIONS OF THE FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES, SUCH AS, UM, REQUIRING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN HOA.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN THE APPLICANT'S, UH, OR PRESENT COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? NOT FOR LESLIE.
HAVING HEARD NONE, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME SPEAK? HI GUYS, I AM, UH, CHRIS ADA WITH COLLEAGUE PARTNERS.
UH, I HAVE, UM, I LIVE AT 43 13 GREENBRIAR, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'VE BEEN WITH, UH, CALI FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
UM, AND THIS SITE WHEN I JOINED COLLEAGUE WAS UNDER CONTRACT FOR THE SENIOR HOUSING, AND I FORGET THE NAME OF THAT GROUP.
UH, BUT THAT DEAL KIND OF DIED DURING COVID AND, UH, WE EXTENDED THROUGH COVID WITH THEM AND CONTINUED UNTIL THEY FINALLY, UH, TERMINATED THEIR CONTRACT.
UM, O OVER THE, THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
UM, BILL ASKED ME TO TRY AND FIND SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP THE SITE.
UH, SO FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS OF THAT, UM, I BET I MET WITH AND REACHED OUT TO, UH, MORE THAN 25 DIFFERENT NATIONAL GROUPS.
UM, MOST DECLINED, UH, IN IT AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTEREST.
THE GUYS THAT DID, I THINK WERE REALLY GONNA BRING PRODUCT THAT, UM, WAS NOT WHAT, UH, ADDISON WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THERE.
UM, SO WE CONTINUE TO MEET WITH, UH, WITH MEMBERS OF STAFF ABOUT HOW TO EXECUTE THIS SITE.
BI BILL AND HIS PARTNER HAVE OWNED THIS SITE FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS, AND THEY DEVELOPED THE ONE HANOVER BUILDING, I THINK, UH, SOLD THAT.
UM, AND, UH, DECIDED THAT THE SITE WAS REALLY NOT, UM, THE BEST FOR FUTURE OFFICE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND SO HE'S BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO EXECUTE THIS SITE, EITHER SELL OR DEVELOP, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND WE, UM, WE ENTERTAINED AND, UM, DID SOME DOG AND PONY SHOWS FOR DESTINATION RETAIL USERS.
AND THEY WERE REALLY COOL, UH, GREAT USERS.
IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT FIT FOR THE SITE, BUT THE SITE WAS BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
UM, NONE OF THOSE GUYS CAME BACK WITH OFFERS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ENDED UP SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, WHAT WAYNE MIGHT KNOW,
UM, ULTIMATELY I THINK THE, THE BEST FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS THE TOWNHOUSE PROPERTY FEE SIMPLE WOULD REALLY BE, UM, SUPPORTED BY, BY THE CITY.
AND SO WE, WE REALLY WENT ON A, UH, A TRACK TO FIGURE OUT WHO DO WE WANT TO WORK WITH, UM, AND DO THAT SO THAT WE COULD, ONE, PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF QUALITY,
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UM, THAT WE EXPECT, UH, 'CAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL.AND, AND ULTIMATELY, UH, BRUNO, WHO I, I KNOW YOU GUYS ALL HAVE MET, UH, OR TALKED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO GET BRUNO ACROSS THE, THE FINISH LINE TO, TO, UM, TO GET OUR LAND UNDER CONTRACT.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT
UM, THE REALITY OF THAT IS, I, I DON'T THINK FROM A MULTI-FAMILY STANDPOINT, WE ARE READY TO GO FORWARD.
UM, BRUNO, UM, ASSUMING ALL, ALL OF THIS GETS APPROVED, BRUNO HAS TO CLOSE BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND START CONSTRUCTION PRETTY QUICKLY ON DEVELOPING LOTS.
UH, THIS IS JIM CHIKA OVER HERE.
JIM WILL BE DEVELOPING THE LOTS AND BRUNO WILL BE BUYING THEM FROM, FROM FROM JIM.
UM, THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, WILL BE PARTNERING ON BUYING THOSE LOTS AS WELL, BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THE, THE MARKET IS REALLY, REALLY SLOW.
UM, AND, AND SO TO TAKE SOME OF THAT RISK OFF OF CADENCE HOMES, UH, W WE, AMERICAN LEGEND, AMERICAN LEGEND HOMES, WHICH I BELIEVE IS A BRIGHT FAMILY.
YEAH, IT'S BRIGHT, UH, COMPANY.
UM, AND I'VE SEEN THEIR PRODUCT.
I HAVEN'T TOURED IT NEAR AS MUCH AS I'VE TOURED BRUNO'S, BUT, UH, IT'S A REALLY NICE PRODUCT.
AND SO I, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, OH, ONE OTHER THING WE DID, LE LESLIE ASKED IF WE WERE GONNA HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE NEEDED TO BECAUSE NOBODY WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA,
AND SO, UH, BUT WE, WE, UH, I DID TALK WITH THE MAYOR LAST WEEK AND, UH, HE WAS TRYING TO ARRANGE THE COMMUNITY CENTER WITHIN HIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT WE COULD PRESENT THE PROJECT, UM, AT THAT POINT, HOPEFULLY KIND OF THE SECOND WEEK OF NOVEMBER.
UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, DEVELOPMENT'S A LONG GAME.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MIGHT PRECLUDE LIKE BE PRIOR TO YOUR EXISTENCE AND TIME AT COLEY, BUT I'M HOPING YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS.
COLEY'S DONE SOME NICE OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TOLL ROAD JUST SOUTH OF HERE THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME OF THOSE PROJECTS? UH, THE, THE BUILDING WE'RE IN? I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.
UH, I KNOW THAT I, I ACTUALLY PUT THE SITE UNDER CONTRACT TO REDEVELOP AS MULTIFAMILY, UH, A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE HE HAD THAT SITE.
UM, NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM, FROM THIS ONE.
I, I'M TALKING MORE OF THE OFFICE TO THE SOUTH.
IT'S, UM, UH, JUST NORTH OF SPRING VALLEY, I BELIEVE IS YEAH, OR YEAH.
UH, I DON'T, THAT'S A PRETTY NEW OFFICE BUILDING.
I MEAN, YES, IT'S, AND AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DO A PHASE TWO THERE.
AND, AND I, I GUESS MY POINT IS, IS IF SOMEBODY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT OFFICE HAS CHANGED THERE, THERE'S STILL A FLOCK TO CLASS, A HIGHLY AMENITIZED PROPERTY.
I, I GET, THERE'S CHALLENGES OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'LL BE HONEST, MY CONCERN IS THIS IS PROBABLY THE REALLY, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST BIG TRACKS OF LAND, IF NOT THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE IN ADDISON.
UM, I DON'T TAKE POLICIES OF, I'M NOT GONNA BE SOMEBODY WHO GETS UP HERE AND TELLS YOU NO APARTMENTS.
I BELIEVE YOU LOOK AT EVERY INDIVIDUAL SITE BY ITS STANCE.
UM, AND I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT COLLIE HAS KIND OF TRANSITIONED FROM AN OFFICE DEVELOPER TO A MULTI DEVELOPER OR AT LEAST PUT THAT INTO THE WHEELHOUSE THAT DID NOT USE TO EXIST.
WE HAVE BROADENED, UH, THE NUMBER OF ASSET CLASSES THAT WE ARE IN.
I, I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT, UM, HE'S OWNED THIS SITE FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND THE REASON THAT HE HASN'T DEVELOPED OTHER BUILDINGS IS BECAUSE THE ACCESS JUST DOESN'T, IS NOT IDEAL FOR OFFICE TODAY.
AND AND I, I GET THE CHALLENGES WITH SENIOR, I MEAN, I, I, I UNDERSTAND IT.
SO IT'S THAT YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT IT DON'T, DOES NOT NECESSARILY SURPRISE ME.
MY CONCERN IS, IS ONE I THINK WE DISPLAYED, WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE WORK SESSION, IS WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF TOWNHOUSE PRODUCT EITHER BUILT BEING BUILT AND, AND I, UNTIL I CAN SEE A BIGGER DEMAND FOR IT AND THAT THAT STUFF GETS ABSORBED AND SOLD OFF, I, I'M, I STRUGGLE WITH MORE OF THE TOWNHOUSE COMPONENT OF THIS THAN I DO NECESSARILY THE MULTI, ALTHOUGH I REALLY DON'T THINK IN GENERAL IT'S THE BEST USE OF THAT SITE FOR EITHER OF THESE USES.
UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY 2 CENTS ABOUT THIS.
YOU ANSWERED PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD ABOUT IT.
SO I'LL TURN OVER TO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS.
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YEAH.SO I MIGHT JUMP IN ON THE TOWNHOUSE DEMAND.
YOU TALK A TAD BIT, LITTLE LOUDER AND OH, A LITTLE BIT LOUDER.
YEAH, I CAN BARELY, SO I'LL JUMP IN ON THE TOWNHOUSE DEMAND.
I, I LIVE IN ADDISON CIRCLE IN AN APARTMENT.
UM, I REALLY WANT A TOWNHOUSE.
THERE'S $600,000, RIGHT? THE DEMAND IS THERE.
I, I DON'T MAKE THE MONEY TO PAY THAT.
SO I, I WONDER IF THAT'S LATENT DEMAND FROM JUST LIKE, THIS IS JUST TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE, UM, FOR PEOPLE.
I DO MAKE SIX FIGURES, BUT I'M MUCH OVER IT, YOU KNOW,
UM, UH, SO THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH THAT.
WHY NOT MAKE IT ALL TOWN HOMES? IS THE, IS THE MULTIFAMILY JUST TO KIND OF HELP PAT OUT THE FINANCIALS OF THE SITE, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGHER VALUE LONG TERM OR IT, IT, UH, IT CERTAINLY HELPS, BUT WE ARE IN THAT BUSINESS ALSO, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, I, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN BILL AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT ME JOINING HIS FIRM MM-HMM
UM, I, I MENTIONED TO HIM THAT I'D DRIVEN BY THAT SITE A HUNDRED TIMES.
I DIDN'T KNOW HE OWNED IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO DEVELOP IT.
AND THEN, UH, OBVIOUSLY MEETING WITH CITY STAFF, UH, UH, UNDERSTOOD THE, UM, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR,
AND SO, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, UH, TWO THINGS, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
ONE IS, UM, 118 LOTS FOR TOWNHOUSES IS A LOT FOR A, FOR A DEVELOPER TO BUY IT OFF.
UM, I, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE MENTIONED, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE NECESSARILY READY TO GO RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, AM LEE'S BUILDING PRODUCT, TRAMELL CROW'S BUILDING PRODUCT? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT TO COME IN AND COMPETE TO THE EXTENT THAT, UM, WE HAVE TO OFFER CONCESSIONS IN THE MARKET TO FILL 'EM UP.
AND SO WE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME, UH, TO WAIT ON THAT.
BUT, BUT THE DESIRE WAS THAT IF WE WERE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP IT AS MULTIFAMILY, WE WANTED TO GET IT APPROVED.
AND BRUNO'S, UM, TOWNHOUSE PROJECT WENT GREAT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE BRUNO DECIDES TO BUY THE MULTI-FAMILY TRACT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW HIM TO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND REZONE IT, BUT HE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP HIS WAY THROUGH THAT.
BUT THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALSO FELT LIKE WE'VE KIND OF ISOLATED THAT LITTLE SECTION FOR MULTI-FAMILY.
SO IT'S NOT, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S A, IT'S REALLY GONNA BOTHER ANYBODY FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE.
WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY GOOD TRANSITION, UH, FOR A HIGHER END PRODUCT.
MAYBE OUR RESIDENTS DO END UP BUYING A TOWNHOUSE, SO YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY MOVE FROM, YOU KNOW, TRACK ONE TO TRACK TWO.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REALISTIC, UH, CONCEPT OR NOT, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STEP UP, YOU KNOW, AND MOVE OUT OF APARTMENTS AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES.
AND, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
AND WE, WE, WE REALLY LIKE CADENCE HOMES PRODUCT, AND WE WANT, WE WANT TO KIND OF BE A STEPPING STONE.
I WANTED TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
YOU'VE SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW YOU'RE REALLY NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO WHY ARE YOU, I MEAN, YOU OWN THE PROPERTY.
WELL, UM, THE MARKET'S NOT IDEAL.
THERE'S OTHER PRODUCTS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, A AMIE BUILDS A GREAT PRODUCT.
I'VE KNOWN TAYLOR BOWEN FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, THEY BUILD A GREAT PRODUCT.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA COME, COME IN AND COMPETE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S MORE SUCCESSFUL WHEN YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE FOUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'RE COMPETING AGAINST AS WELL.
AND SO IF, IF I'M ABLE TO WAIT, UH, IN THEORY RENTS GET A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, I'M ABLE TO IMPROVE MY PRODUCT AND CHARGE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER RENTS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW, UH, THE LAST FEW MULTIFAMILY DEALS THAT GETS APPROVED IN ADDISON, WHICH THEN ALLOWS ME TO KIND OF TRY AND COME IN AND BE TOP OF MARKET, WHICH IS WHAT I'M, I'M USED TO DOING.
WHERE I GO, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN EACH'S MOUTH, BUT I THINK WHAT HE'S GETTING AFTER IS, IS WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST BRING THE TOWNHOUSE TRACK IN AND, AND NOT ATTACH IT TO THE MULTI? I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION HE'S GETTING TO.
WELL, I DON'T THINK I COULD GET THE MULTIFAMILY APPROVED WITHOUT THE TOWNHOUSE FAIR STATEMENT.
SO, SO YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT READY TO GO ON THE MULTIFAMILY? I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WON'T.
SO YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE READY TO GO FORWARD.
I, I'M WAITING ON THE MARKET TO RECOVER A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE'VE HAD A HUGE SUPPLY, UM, IN, IN THE METROPLEX.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE ABSORBED BEFORE WE, WE PUSH
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FORWARD.AND, AND YOU MEAN MULTIFAMILY? THE TOWNHOUSE THING IS A SURE BET.
AND YOU, YOU SAID BRUNO'S GOTTA CLOSE BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND THAT'S, THAT'S READY TO GO.
GOT, YOU KNOW, BRUNO IS, UH, UH, HE'S, HE'S SPENDING QUITE A BIT OF MONEY HERE AND HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GET GOING.
UH, BRUNO PASQUINELLI OWNER, SORRY, OWNER OF CA WE DID THIS LAST MEETING, UH, THE OWNER OF CADENCE HOMES, UH, WITH OFFICES AT 8 4 0 0 BELLEVUE DRIVE IN PLANO.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS INVENTORY OF TOWN HOMES IN ADDISON, I AM THE CONTRACT PURCHASER OF, UH, I'M PURCHASING THE LOTS IN AM LEE, YOU KNOW, AM LEE'S LOTS SHOULD BE DONE HOPEFULLY EARLY Q1, THESE LOTS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE APPROVED.
AND, UH, JIM DOES HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T CURRENTLY IN MY COMPANY, SO WE HAVE A, A LOOSE PARTNERSHIP.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE ON THE LAND BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE HAVE TO GET THE CIVIL DRAWINGS ALL APPROVED, GOTTA PUT IN THE IMPROVEMENTS, GET THE SUBDIVISION ACCEPTED.
SO I HAVE MAYBE A YEAR HEADSTART ON AMIE.
AND MY INTENT IS TO BE WELL THROUGH HALF OF THAT COMMUNITY, HOPEFULLY MORE BY THE TIME, UM, THIS COMMUNITY COMES ONLINE.
SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT TOO MANY TOWN HOMES.
UM, IT IS VERY ODD THOUGH, AFTER BUILDING IN THIS AREA FOR 25 YEARS, TWO COMMUNITIES AT THE SAME TIME KIND OF COME INTO MY ORBIT.
UM, IT'S THE WAY LIFE IS, I GUESS.
UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH CLEY, THE CITY, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE DENSITY, THE LAYOUT TO TRY AND KEEP THESE LOT PRICES DOWN WITH A GOAL OF TRYING TO PENETRATE THAT 600,000 PRICE RANGE.
'CAUSE THAT IS KIND OF, YOU HIT THE NUMBER ON THE HEAD.
I THINK IF YOU CAN BE UNDER THAT, WE CAN REACH A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN ADDISON THAT WOULD LIKE THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.
AND WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE, THE COMMENT ABOUT WHY AREN'T THEY ALL TOWN HOMES? YES.
WE JOKE THAT IF THIS WAS SUCCESSFUL, CAN I, HEY CHRIS, CAN I BUY THE OTHER PIECE?
I'VE GOT, FIRST THINGS FIRST, I GOT ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHILE THE MIC'S STILL HOT ON MY END.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON CHALLENGES WITH BUILDING NEXT TO THAT? YOU KNOW, THE TOY'S GONNA BE PRETTY NOISY WITH CARS BUILDING AND SELLING.
UH, SO WE TRIED TO ADJUST ADDRESS THAT WITH THE LAYOUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TO HAVE A FEW BUILDINGS BLOCK SOME OF THE SOUND.
LIKE SPECIFICALLY THIS BUILDING.
I REALLY WANTED IT HERE TO BLOCK, UH, THAT GREEN STREET OR MUSE AS IT'S CALLED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I HAD AN EXCEPTIONAL SALESPERSON, AND BACK AT MY OLD COMPANY, CB JENNY, WE BUILT ON, UH, THE GEORGE BUSH, UH, JUST WEST OF 75, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I ASKED HER, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE MODEL LIKE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE, THE HIGHWAY? YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE LOUD.
WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY SAY IT'S LOUD, I SAY, WELL, THAT'S WHY YOU WANNA LIVE HERE,
BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
YOU'RE ON AN INFILL LOCATION, YOU'RE NEAR ADDISON, YOU'RE NEAR BELTLINE.
YOU HOP ON, YOU'RE IN DOWNTOWN, UH, DALLAS STRAIGHTAWAY, OR YOU CAN HEAD NORTH TO FRISCO.
UM, BUT I, I THINK IT'S MANAGEABLE, UH, WITH BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, ET CETERA.
UM, I KNOW WE KIND OF BACK ON YOUR, YOUR QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT OFFICE BUILDING.
FOR YOU, I MEAN, BEING CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE HOSPITAL OVER THERE.
HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT MEDICAL OFFICE? WELL, I, I BELIEVE SO.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO, OH, I'M SORRY.
I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT ON THIS SITE.
UH, TH THROUGH COLLEAGUE PARTNERS, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL THIS SITE FOR A LONG TIME, UM, THAT THEY, THEY JUST DON'T THINK IT'S VIABLE FOR, UH, OFFICE THAT THAT COLLEAGUE TYPICALLY DEVELOPS.
AND SO, UM, I, I KNOW THAT THERE IS ME, THERE ARE MEDICAL USES TO THE NORTH THERE, BUT, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO IT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY FULL OVER THERE.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU'RE CLOSE TO A
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HOSPITAL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TOWNHOUSE.MOST OF OUR DISTRICTS KIND OF GOES BACK TO LESLIE, MOST OF THE DISTRICTS, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT IT'S KIND OF A COMMENT.
MOST OF THE DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE THAT QUANTITY OF LIKE TOWNHOUSES, UM, WE WOULD HAVE A, A SMALL PARK INCORPORATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, LIKE OVER A DISTRICT OVER THERE IN ADDISON CIRCLE.
WE HAVE SEVERAL THESE SMALL, AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, THE BIGGEST SECTION, RIGHT? OH, BACK THAT ONE.
BUT I'M JUST OB OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE TAKING OUT, YOU'D BE LOSING FOUR TOWNHOUSES, BUT THAT CENTRAL AREA, HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING THAT INTO LIKE A, 'CAUSE THIS IS, IT'S CLOSE TO THESE OTHER, THESE OTHER APARTMENTS DOWN TO THE SOUTH THERE, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S FAIRLY ISOLATED.
THERE'S NOTHING CLOSE BY THERE.
THERE'S AMENITIES IN THE APARTMENT PART OF IT FOR PEOPLE IN THERE, BUT THOSE, YOU JUST HAVE A, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF AREA FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THERE.
SO I'M, TO BE PERFECTLY STR UH, FRANK, YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS WORK ECONOMICALLY MADE IT DIFFICULT TO SAY, HEY, LET'S PUT THIS BIG PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
NUMBER TWO, THE WAY WE CHOSE TO LAY IT OUT, UH, WITH, UM, I'M GONNA JUST CALL IT A GREEN STREET.
YOU KNOW, UH, BUILDINGS FACE EACH OTHER IN THESE AREAS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO LESLIE A CONCEPTUAL PROGRAMMING OF THAT.
IT, IT'S MAINLY PASSIVE SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S GREEN, IT HAS LANDSCAPING.
AND WE'VE PROGRAMMED IN, UM, YOU KNOW, SEATING AREAS WITH SHADE, UH, IN EACH OF THOSE AREAS, I BELIEVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO ME, THIS BUYER DOESN'T HAVE KIDS.
THEY GENERALLY WANT A PLACE TO GO WALK THEIR DOG, AND THEN THEY WANNA LOCK IT AND LEAVE IT AND GO DOWN AND EAT AT THIS GENTLEMAN'S BARBECUE PLACE AND
I'M JUST, SO, OBVIOUSLY NUMBERS DON'T WORK TO GET RID OF FOUR HOUSES IN THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I MENTIONED YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THESE FOUR RIGHT HERE.
AND THAT WE GET A NICE BIG, I MEAN, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE LAND AROUND IT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST, JUST A THOUGHT.
AND THEN I DID WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT, I, I GET, YOU GUYS DIDN'T DO THE COMMUNITY MEETING, BUT, AND I KNOW THAT WE RUN INTO THIS ALL THE TIME IN ADDISON.
YOU SEND IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE.
WELL, 90% OF A LOT OF OUR PLACES NOW THAT WE'RE DOING INFILL, IT'S NON RESIDENTIALS COMMERCIAL.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, WE ONLY ARE FOUR AND A HALF SQUARE MILES, TAKE OUT THE AIRPORT.
WE HAVE A PRETTY SMALL FOOTPRINT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT LIVE IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN THAT WOULD LIKE TO, I THINK IT'S WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THIS, HAVE YOUR COMMUNITY MEETING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LIKE, I'LL HAVE A COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, I LIVE ON WEST SIDE OF TOWN, SO I, BUT I STILL HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE INTERACTION WITH YOU GUYS.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THE REASON WHY WE ALWAYS LIKE TO DO THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WHEN IT COMES TO REZONE.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND THE MAYOR TO HOLD THIS MEETING THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF NOVEMBER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? OH, GO AHEAD.
I READ YOUR LETTER OF INTENT TWICE BECAUSE IT WAS SO THOUGHTFUL, UH, AND SHOWS YOUR DILIGENCE AND, AND TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING AS IT RELATES TO OUR AGING COMMUNITY.
I'M A BRUNO FAN, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A STRAIGHT SHOOTER.
UM, BUT I ALSO, I ALSO SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT OUR CHAIR HAS AND IS IT THE BEST USE OF ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING, UH, OPEN PARCELS IN OUR TOWN? I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT LESS THAN FIVE OR SOMEWHERE RIGHT AROUND 5% REMAINING.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE, WE AS A TOWN, WE NEED TO BE SUPER THOUGHTFUL AND, AND REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LET BE BUILT ON ONE OF THOSE SPACES.
ONE OTHER THING, AND WHAT THE INCREASE IS, I THINK ONE THIRD OF 1% OF THE FEE.
I'M SUPER THANKFUL THAT YOU PUT THAT, THAT COMPONENT IN THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD NUMBER, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TOWN.
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ALSO SAY YOU, WE, UH, YOU, YOU WOULD THINK, UH, SENIOR LIVING IS NOT DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY.I, I, UM, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TA TALKING WITH FIRMS, UH, THAT MANAGE IT SO THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DEVELOP IT, BUT, UH, THERE IS A HUGE LEARNING CURVE AND LEARNING CURVES OR, UH, EXPENSIVE AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO, TO, TO START A NEW BUSINESS.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THAT.
UM, YEAH, NO, THE, THE SENIOR LIVING PRICES ARE KIND OF CRAZY.
I, I TOOK A LOOK AT, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SUBMITTED A LIST OF THE PLANO, UH, SENIOR LIVING AND I, I LOOKED AT THE ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITIES, NOT EVEN THE FULL SERVICE ONES.
UM, A 350 SQUARE FOOT STUDIO AT SOLSTICE, SENIOR LIVING PLANO STARTS AT 2205.
I PAY 1820 FOR 1100 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW,
SO, UM, AND THEN 35 0 6 FOR A TWO BED.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE FIXED INCOME, SENIOR DEMOGRAPHIC IS GONNA, YOU KNOW, UM, I CAN TALK ON THAT MORE AFTER YOU GUYS GET A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN.
BUT MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS WAS RELATED TO CONNECTIVITY THERE.
I KNOW, UM, THERE ARE TWO GREAT BUS ROUTES THAT GO ALONG ADDISON ROAD THERE, ADDISON ROAD THERE.
THEY CAN TAKE YOU TO SOMETHING LIKE A SPROUTS.
UM, THERE'S A GYM, THERE'S A LIBRARY.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY POTENTIAL THERE THAT I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THE, UH, ZONING COMMISSION OR THE AVERAGE ADDISON, I WOULD REALIZE.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING A LITTLE BENCH OR SOMETHING ON THE EASEMENT? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THE TOWN WOULD DO? YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, HERE'S A BUS STOP AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YEAH, WE CAN PARTNER WITH THAT, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THAT.
SO WHEN WE'RE DOING THE MTP IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE TO INTEGRATE, ESPECIALLY IF THE, THE FLAT WORK IS ALREADY BEING DONE.
UM, AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW IT SHAKES OUT, THOSE ARE THINGS WE WOULD EITHER, UM, SUPPORT FROM A TOWN PERSPECTIVE OR PARTNER WITH DART TO GET PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES PLACED THERE.
A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL PLAN TO MAINTAIN THEIR BUS STOPS.
AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT ALREADY ON WEST GROVE AND BY THE HOSPITAL.
AND, UM, THE ONE THAT WE HAD TO BUILD IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL, 'CAUSE WE MOVED THE BUS ROUTES DON'T LIKE THAT THEY'RE MOVED, BUT I DO LIKE WHAT YOU BUILT THERE.
UM, SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE AWESOME, UM, FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT.
WE'VE, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED, WE'VE DONE THAT WITH OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE AM TREE HOUSE PROJECT.
WE, UM, THE, IN THAT INSTANCE, THE DEVELOPER, UM, COMMITTED TO PROVIDING AN ENHANCED BUS STOP ALONG MIDWAY.
THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION FOR THE, THE APPLICANT.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, I HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD IN FRONT OF ME, OTHERS, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, UH, GET WITH LESLIE OR COREY FOR A CARD.
UH, VALERIE COLLINS, PLEASE STATE, UH, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN YOU GET TO THE PODIUM IF THE GREEN LIGHT'S ON.
HI, VALERIE COLLINS, 1 4 6 6 8 WAYSIDE COURT.
UM, I'M READING THE LETTER THAT MY HUSBAND SENT IN TODAY.
THE COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COMBINATION OF 299 MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND 115 FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES ON AN 11 ACRE PARCEL NORTH OF THE MARY KAY PROPERTY.
IN SOME RESPECTS, THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER PREVIOUS SPLIT RESIDENTIAL ZONING CHANGE REQUEST A HUNDRED FEET, 15 FEET.
SIMPLE TOWN HOMES ARE NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
HOWEVER, REGARDING THE 299 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PORTION, THE TOWN OF ADDISON ALREADY HAS THE HIGHEST RATIO OF MULTI-FAMILY TO FEE SIMPLE RESIDENCES, OTHER THAN A FEW COLLEGE TOWNS AND MILITARY BASES OF ANY COMMUNITY IN THE UNITED STATES.
A 2017 HOUSING RESOLUTION PASSED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL CLEARLY STATES THE TOWN'S DESIRE FOR FUTURE FEE, SIMPLE HOUSING, AND NOT MORE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE LARGEST CONCERN NOTED BY RESIDENTS IN THE RECENT SURVEYS TAKEN AS PART OF THIS 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH YOU ARE ALSO BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TONIGHT, WAS THE EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ALREADY IN ADDISON.
PRIOR TO THIS REQUEST, THE SITE WAS BEING MARKETED TO SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPERS.
THIS WAS WIDELY SUPPORTED BY STAFF AND RESIDENTS.
HOWEVER, THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPERS BEFORE YOU WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN INDICATES THAT THIS WAS UNSUCCESSFUL.
WHY PLANO HAS OVER 40 VARIOUS SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES, WHY CAN'T ADDISON ATTRACT EVEN ONE? BROADLY? THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED AND CHALLENGED FURTHER.
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PROPOSAL, I RECOMMEND THAT P AND Z COMMISSION ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO PROCEED WITH ONLY THE FEE SIMPLE PORTION AND HOLD THE OTHER PORTION IN ABEYANCE WITH THE REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO SEEK A MORE SUITABLE DEVELOPER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL, IE SE, SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPER.REGARDLESS OF THE PUSHBACK THAT THIS WILL NOT WORK FINANCIALLY, THE CRITICAL MASS OF THE PROPOSED TOWNHOMES DEVELOPMENT AND SIGNIFICANT PORTION WITH WHICH IT WOULD OCCUPY THE SITE LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THE FEE SIMPLE PORTION WOULD BE VIABLE ON A STANDALONE BASIS.
IN FACT, PER THE DEVELOPER'S REQUEST, THESE PARCELS ARE INTENDED TO BE SEPARATELY PLATTED OWNED AND MANAGED.
ADDISON NEEDS TO TAKE A FIRM STAND ON MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND BE PROACTIVE.
YOU ARE IN AN UN INVIABLE ENVIABLE POSITION, AND THAT YOU CAN ONLY ACT ON WHAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU.
HOWEVER, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO MORE AND SEND THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
IF WE ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO APPROACH DEVELOPMENT ON A PIECEMEAL BASIS, THEY WILL DICTATE THE FUTURE OF ADDISON.
THE RESIDENTS HAVE SPOKEN LOUDLY AND REPEATEDLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
ZACHARY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE ASSUMED YOU GO BY ZACH.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, FULL NAME AND ADDRESS FOR RECORD, PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 4 9 2 5 MARCUS AVENUE.
I DON'T LOVE PUBLIC SPEAKING, BUT TODAY I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WHY I AM STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF IT.
I AM CURRENTLY A RENTER IN ADDISON.
AND IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT I WANT TO DO, IT IS ONE DAY BE ABLE TO AFFORD A TOWN HOME.
BUT THEY ARE REALLY EXPENSIVE.
I THINK THE DEMAND IS HERE IN ADDISON FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, SOME SORT OF HOUSING THAT CAN JUMPSTART ME TO A BIGGER HOME SOMEDAY.
BUT CURRENTLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THAT BUILT THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE US AND SO I'M STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS.
ANOTHER THING I WOULD LOVE TO SAY IS THAT AS OF 2025, ACCORDING TO ZILLOW AND KUT NEWS, DFW HAS THE HIGHEST RENT PRICES OF ANY TEXAS METRO.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL, BUT I'M AN AGGIE MYSELF, AND THERE'S NOTHING I HATE MORE THAN LOSING TO AUSTIN RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE SITTING HERE ALLOWING THERE TO BE HIGHER RENT PRICES IN DFW THAN THERE IS IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.
THAT IS LOSING, THAT IS CAUSING LESS PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSING, LESS PEOPLE TO HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ON RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES HERE IN ADDISON.
AND SO I ASK YOU TODAY TO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
PLEASE SUPPORT MORE TOWN HOMES.
THAT WAY I CAN ONE DAY AFFORD ONE.
AND PLEASE SUPPORT MORE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS IN GENERAL.
ANOTHER THING I WOULD LOVE TO SAY IS THAT THE CONNECTIVITY OF THIS MAY NOT BE VERY GOOD RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A REALLY BIG POINT THAT THIS INCREASES FUTURE CONNECTIVITY.
AND IF YOU'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT ADDISON LONG, LONG TERM, NOT JUST ADDISON 2050, BUT ADDISON 2075, YOU, THIS HELPS CONNECTIVITY.
IT JUST MAY NOT HELP CONNECTIVITY TODAY.
AND SO WITH ALL THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I HAD TO SAY.
SORRY, AM I ALLOWED TO ASK A QUESTION OF SOMEBODY WHO JUST SAT DOWN? UM, THEM? YEAH.
I I CAN, OH, VALERIE, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, CAN YOU COME BACK UP TO THE MIC? CAN YOU COME BACK TO THE MIC? OH YEAH, NO PROBLEM.
UM, SO YEAH, I HEAR YOU ON THE PLA ONE.
I THINK WE'RE ALL MORE IN FAVOR IF WE'RE IN FAVOR AT ALL OF THE TOWN HOMES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I LIKE MULTI-FAMILY.
WE'RE NOT AGAINST MULTIFAMILY.
NOW, IF WE WERE TO SAY NO MULTIFAMILY, JUST DO PLA ONE AND WE DO GET A SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPER, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THOSE PRICE POINTS IN THAT LOCATION BE SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO MOVE INTO WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME? OR ARE YOU GUYS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO DO AT THAT LOCATION? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, THERE ARE OVER 280 PEOPLE RIGHT HERE IN ADDISON FROM 80 TO A HUNDRED.
THEY'RE DYING FOR A PLACE TO MOVE INTO TO STAY IN ADDISON.
THEY'RE THE, THE, THE CUSTOMERS RIGHT HERE.
THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SENIOR CENTER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE INTO AND SELL THEIR HOME AND GO INTO A ONE STORY.
WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION? I THOUGHT YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT PRICE POINT, THOUGH.
I THOUGHT THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT.
SO I, YEAH, I GUESS I CAN BE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT $3,500 FOR TWO BEDROOM.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT TO DO? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
'CAUSE THAT'S, SO MANY MORE OF THE SENIORS HAVE DISPOSABLE INCOME.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE MONEY.
I KNOW A LOT THAT LIVED ON AWFUL FIXED INCOMES, BUT LET DEBATE FOR DIFFERENT GO AHEAD, JIMMY.
BEFORE THE MEETING, TOM MENTIONED THAT HE
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HAD LOST A FEW OF HIS NEIGHBORS, UH, RECENTLY THAT HAVE AGED OUT.AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE HOUSES, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE HOUSES SOLD FOR ORIGINALLY, BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA SELL THEM FOR SIX OR 700,000 BUCKS, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE GOING RATE FOR MOST OF THE HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THEY CAN EASILY AFFORD 3,500 BUCKS A MONTH.
JUST SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF MATH IN THERE AND A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SIMPLIFY IT THAT QUITE THAT MUCH SURVEY.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR PUBLIC HEARING? NO, I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE THINGS.
I NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, LET ME CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND ANYBODY ONLINE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
HAVING SEEN NO OTHERS, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTARY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR US? YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T NEED THE MULTI-FAMILY HERE.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO THAT, I'M OKAY WITH JUST, JUST APPROVING THE PD FOR THAT.
I WOULD LIKE THE MULTIFAMILY, BUT I DON'T NEED IT.
UM, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, I'D ENTERTAIN THAT.
COUPLE MORE COMMENTS ON CONNECTIVITY.
SO WE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT NOT BEING CONNECTED.
THAT'S NOT THEIR FAULT, RIGHT? THAT'S OUR FOREBEARER FAULT FOR NOT THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, OR, UM, RECENT CITY COUNCIL NOT PUTTING THE BIKE LANE IN.
RIGHT? SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CONNECTIVITY TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE REST OF ADDISON, THAT'S, THAT'S ON US TO DO NOT ON THE DEVELOPER.
SO I DON'T WANT US TO HOLD THEM AGAINST THE WALL FOR THAT ONE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, BUSES WOULD BE GOOD.
AND, AND SO THINKING ABOUT SENIOR LIVING, I'M NOT OLD.
UM, BUT WHEN I'M OLD, I WANT TO BE, I WANNA BE CLOSE TO THINGS, RIGHT? I WANT, I WANT THERE TO BE STUFF.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT MIS MIXED USE IN THE WORK SESSION.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE A CAFETERIA.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M 29, BUT I STILL WALK DOWN THE STREET TO GET MY HAIR CUT.
AND I WANNA DO THAT WHEN I'M 89.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I ASKED ABOUT MIXED, MIXED USE.
I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU GUYS ABOUT IT, BUT WE CAN GET THERE LATER.
UM, INTEGRATING THE COMMUNITY, IF WE PROVIDE A LOT OF THESE SERVICES WITHOUT HAVING IT TO BE SENIOR.
AND I THINK I HEARD DENISE MAYBE SAY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, HEY, YOU CAN GET A LOT OF THESE, THIS PROGRAMMING, THESE SERVICES.
UM, DART COMES TO YOUR FRONT DOOR, PARATRANSIT WILL BE THERE FOR YOU TOO.
UH, THE ATHLETIC CLUB PROVIDES A PROGRAMMING.
DO WE NEED IT TO BE SENIOR CAPITAL S SENIOR OR CAN WE FIND WAYS TO HELP PEOPLE AGE IN PLACE OR HELP PEOPLE MOVE INTO AN APARTMENT, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM WHERE IT'S, IT'S AN INTEGRATED COMMUNITY, NOT JUST PEOPLE OVER 55, BUT IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
UM, BUT I LIKE THIS PROJECT AND THAT'S IT.
I'LL JUST, UH, GO AHEAD AND VOICE MY OPINION.
I'M NOT A FAN OF THE SINGLE OR THE FEE SIMPLE, UH, PORTION NOR THE MULTIFAMILY.
THIS SIDE IS VERY, VERY PACKED.
I WOULDN'T FIND IT, THE IDEA THAT I'M GOING TO SPEND 600,000 PLUS FOR RESIDENTS CLOSE TO THE TOLLWAY, PACKED IN NO AMENITY.
I'M NOT EASILY, I DON'T GET TO AN AMENITY EASILY.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? OKAY, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I GUESS I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE APPLICATION FOR, UH, WHAT'S IN HERE.
UH, CASE 1939 DASH Z ADDISON TOLL ROAD DEVELOPMENT, ADDISON ROAD AND XL PARKWAY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN DENIED.
[6. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on Ordinance adopting a new Comprehensive Plan, Advance Addison 2050, and replacing the 2013 Comprehensive Plan, but maintaining the special area plans, as amended; establishing policy goals for land use, housing, transportation, economic development and community facilities.]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION FOR ORDINANCE, ADOPTING A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ADVANCING EDISON 2050, AND REPLACING THE 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT MAINTAINING THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS AS AMENDED.ESTABLISHING POLICY GOALS FOR LAND USE, HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
LESLIE, IS THIS YOU OR JADE? DO, DO YOU DON'T GET TO COME TALK? NO, I SAY HELLO.
UM, SO WE'RE PRESENTING, UM, THIS IS, UM, POTENTIALLY THE, UH, KIND OF FINAL STOP ON THE WAY TO ADOPTION FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ADVANCED ADDISON,
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UH, 2050.UM, SO TONIGHT, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, PROJECT UPDATES, THE DRAFT, AND THEN NEXT STEPS.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE ON THE FINAL, UM, PHASE OF THE ADOPTION, IF RECOMMENDED THIS EVENING.
UM, FOR APPROVAL, IT WOULD MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL REVIEW.
UM, THERE WOULD BE A WORK SESSION AND THEN POTENTIALLY ADOPTION IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DOCUMENT CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK.
UM, AND I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT DATE, MAYBE SEPTEMBER 16TH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS.
AND MOST OF THAT WAS, UH, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS.
THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO SURFACE LEVEL OVERVIEW AND DIDN'T TAKE IT, UH, ENOUGH OF A DEEP DIVE.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, THAT WAS ADDED.
AND, UH, WE DO HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE, UM, THAT CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH TO THAT 'CAUSE IT WAS, UM, A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH SOME ANALYSIS THAT THEY, UH, HELPED US WITH.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE CONTINUE TO, UM, CLEAN UP ANY, UH, TYPOS OR ERRORS THAT WE STUMBLED UPON AS WE READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AGAIN, AND, UM, FORMATTED AND, AND DID SOME FORMATTING, UH, SHIFTS, UH, BASED UPON NEW CONTENT THAT WAS ADDED AS NECESSARY.
AND SO WE SENT THAT OUT FOR REVIEW.
UM, AND YOU WILL HAVE, WOULD'VE HAD APPROXIMATELY THE LAST TWO WEEKS TO REVIEW THAT UPDATED DRAFT.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON THE, THE LAST MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 16TH.
AND THE LOFA OR LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS WAS, UM, A SUBSTANTIAL EDIT TO THE LAST DOCUMENT BASED UPON FEEDBACK WE, WE DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING.
SO TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT IS, IS THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT, UH, DID NOT CHANGE.
THIS WAS THE PROPORTIONATE REVENUE PER ACRE, UM, BASED UPON THE EXPENSES.
AND THERE WAS A METHODOLOGY, AND I THINK WE DID DISCUSS THIS WITH CPAC AND WE MAY HAVE GRAZED OVER IT AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T FORMALLY PRESENTED IT TO, TO THE COMMISSION.
SO WE WANTED TO, TO SHARE THIS ABOUT HOW, UM, THE PROPORTIONATE COST WAS DETERMINED.
AND IT WAS BASED UPON REALLY THESE THREE FACTORS, A COMBINATION OF THESE THREE FACTORS.
AND THAT WAS BASED UPON IF THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED OR UNDEVELOPED.
OBVIOUSLY, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY IS GONNA HAVE A LOWER SERVICE COST THAN DEVELOPED PROPERTY THAT'S ACTIVATED.
UM, AND THEN THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS, UM, OR DENSITY, OBVIOUSLY MORE UNITS WILL TRANSLATE TO A HIGHER SERVICE COST.
AND THEN ALSO THE SERVICE AREA OR PROXIMITY TO TOWN FACILITIES, UM, SUCH AS OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES, THE FIRE STATION, THE POLICE STATION, SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S HOW THAT PROPORTIONATE REVENUE WAS DETERMINED.
THERE WAS A METHODOLOGY, IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE PERFECT.
UM, HOWEVER, THIS HELPS US NARROW AND, UM, ALLOCATE THOSE COSTS IN A MORE PROPORTIONATE, UH, WAY.
AND THEN, UM, THIS WAS THE NEW PORTION THAT WAS ADDED ON THE MOST RECENT REVIEW, AND THAT'S THE TOTAL TAX REVENUE PER ACRE.
UM, THAT INCLUDES THE AD VALOREM TAX PLUS ALL OF OTHER, UM, INCOME OR REVENUE STREAMS. AND SO WHAT THOSE WOULD INCLUDE WOULD BE, UM, AD VALOREM, UM, BPP SALES TAX, ALCOHOL TAX, UH, HOT TAX, AND THEN ALSO THE AIRPORT SPECIFIC REVENUE STREAMS, WHICH INCLUDE RENTAL INCOME, SERVICE FEES, AND, UH, OTHER MISCELLANEOUS FEES.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WE COLLABORATED WITH, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO PULL THESE FIGURES, WHICH, UM, GENERATED THIS GRAPH, WHICH IS NOW ON, UH, IT CREATED A NEW PAGE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE, THE SECTION FOR THE LOFA, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THOSE AT THE TOP, YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT, UM, REVENUE STREAMS. AND THEN TO COMBINE THOSE, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE USING TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES.
YOU HAVE THE D AD LAND USE CATEGORIES HERE AT THE BOTTOM TO INDICATE WHAT THE D AD, UH, DETERMINATION IS.
BUT THEN ALSO THE, UM, COMPTROLLER CATEGORIES.
SO WE'RE COMBINING MULTIPLE, UM, SOURCE DATA.
SO THIS JUST HELPS EXPAND UPON THE LOFA AS IT'S, UM, THE OTHER REVENUE STREAMS QUESTIONS HERE.
UM, AND THEN I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, WHAT TONIGHT IS ABOUT.
SO STAFF IS ASKING TO HOST A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A PLAN RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND FURTHER DISCUSSION AS NE AS NEEDED.
AND THEN IF RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, IT WOULD GO ON TO CITY COUNCIL REVIEW, WHICH COULD BEGIN AS EARLY AS TOMORROW, DEPENDING UPON IF THERE'S, UM, MODIFICATIONS NECESSARY.
AND, UH, WE WOULD HOST A, UH, COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER EIGHT, 18TH, AND THEN POTENTIALLY,
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UH, CONSIDER ADOPTION ON DECEMBER 9TH BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF, OF THE DRAFT AS PRESENTED.
UM, HOWEVER, I, IF THERE, SORRY, LET ME BACK UP ONE STEP.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOFA OR THE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, UM, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE.
THEY CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH TO THAT.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE I'D WELCOME DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL CHANGES, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THOSE NOW AS WELL.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE, ON THAT GRAPH RIGHT THERE? SO ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT AND IS SOMEWHAT MISSING IN THE DOCUMENT IS THAT NOT ALL REVENUE IS CREATED EQUAL.
UM, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE STABILITY OF THAT REVENUE TO THE TOWN.
SO SOME IS HIGHLY VOLATILE, SOME IS NOT.
UH, HOTELS, MOTELS, OFFICE AND MANY OTHER COMMERCIAL TEND TO BE A MUCH MORE VOLATILE SOURCE OF REVENUE AND IT CONSTITUTES THE VAST MAJORITY.
THIS FEEDS INTO, I THINK, WHAT IS AN INNATE UNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ADDITIONAL RENTAL PROPERTY ADDS TO THAT FRAGILITY AND TO THAT VOLATILITY OF OUR REVENUE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND MISSING IN THIS DOCUMENT IS SUFFICIENT EMPHASIS ON OUR DESIRE TO DRIVE FEE SIMPLE HOUSING, WHICH PROVIDES THE TOWN WITH LONG TERM STABLE REVENUE.
AND I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO GO BACK AND BETTER INCORPORATE OUR HOUSING POLICY THAT EXISTS AND TO STRENGTHEN OUR COMMITMENT TO THAT POLICY.
THAT COULD INCLUDE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW WE CAN PROMOTE OTHER FORMS OF FEE SIMPLE HOUSING OTHER THAN JUST PERHAPS TOWNHOUSES.
UM, AND SO THAT'S MY GENERAL COMMENT AND FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD LIKE IT TO RETURN TO COMMITTEE TO HAVE RECONSIDERATION OF STRONGER POLICY STATEMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND PROMOTION OF FEE SIMPLE HOUSING.
I I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION FROM WHAT YOU SAID.
I, I, I FOLLOWED YOU, I GET THAT, THAT THERE'S SOME VOLATILITY FOR CERTAIN PRODUCT TYPE HERE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
BUT THE, THE, AND YOU'RE SAYING SINGLE FAMILY'S THE MOST STABLE, BUT YET THE LOWEST IN HERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT AM I MISSING FOR YOU TO WANNA CONNECT IN THERE? LIKE, I MISSED THE BACK END OF WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN STOCKS PROVIDE A HIGHER RETURN, BUT THEY'RE MORE VOLATILE.
BONDS ARE A LOWER RETURN, BUT THEY ARE STABLE AND THEREFORE THEY DIVERSIFY, UH, AND HAVE A PORTFOLIO EFFECT ON THE STABILITY.
WE HAVE 80% OF OUR REVENUE THAT IS ALL TIED TO, TO VALUATIONS AND PROPERTY TAX THAT ARE RENEWED ON AN INCOME BASIS AND ARE VERY SUSCEPTIBLE IN AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN.
SO THAT IS A LESS DESIRABLE IF THE MIX IS OUT OF BALANCE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M CLAIMING.
I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT.
I THINK OUR MIX STILL MAINTAINS TOO HIGH.
THAT'S WHY WE ADOPTED A POLICY WHERE WE WANT A HIGHER DEGREE OF FEE SIMPLE HOUSING, WHICH TENDS TO BE A MORE STABLE SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE TOWN, WHICH WE JUST REJECTED.
WE JUST, WELL, WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT I, I I GET WHERE HIS POINTS ARE GOING, BUT I THINK YOU CAN STAND AND LOOK AT THIS AS ONE ISSUE BY ITSELF.
THE YOU, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET US MORE FEE SIMPLE AND OWNERSHIP.
I, I MEAN, SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE FREEDOMS TO GO, WE NEED TO WIPE OFF THE OTHER, 'CAUSE THEN YOU LOSE ALL THAT REVENUE SOURCE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO GET AT? BESIDES THE FACT WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
SO IT WAS THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN IN THE, IN, IN OUR RESIDENCE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY, YOU LOOK AT 20 PAGE 24, THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
AND THE DOCUMENT ITSELF MAKES ALL, FIRST OF ALL, MAKES NO REFERENCE TO OUR HOUSING POLICY EXCEPT ONCE IN PASSING.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OTHER ACTIONS THAT THE TOWN MIGHT DO TO PROMOTE THAT, WHICH THINK IS AN ISSUE.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT COMPONENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STRENGTHENED AND MORE EMPHASIZED.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE ARE LITERALLY ONE OF THE MOST UNBALANCED CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES, WE HAVE A VERY, VERY POTENTIALLY VOLATILE REVENUE SOURCE FOR OUR TOWN THAT COULD, COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT US IN A DOWNTURN.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY OUR REVENUE.
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YOU ARE, YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT, UM, AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE WITH COMMERCIAL STUFF BACK IN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT CRASH IT WAS.WHERE WE LOST A LOT OF VALUATION JUST BECAUSE OF, AND OF COURSE IT, IT ENDED UP, IT ENDED UP COMING BACK.
BUT I DON'T, I MEAN, I WISH WE HAD LAND.
WE CAN'T BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF THIS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE, WE WERE LESS THAN 12% OWNERSHIP WHEN I BUILT MY HOUSE IN ADDISON.
AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.
SO WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN AROUND THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO GET IT, AND I DON'T, I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA PUT A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL A VALOREM TAXES ARE THE MOST STABLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I MEAN, THE MATH IS THE MATH, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT.
AND, AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HEALTHY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE EXCELLENT BOND RATING.
I MEAN, IT, WE YOU WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, WE'RE ONE OF, I DON'T REMEMBER.
THEY GAVE US LOTS OF STATS IN THE THING, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT GOOD EQUALITY THAT KEVIN WOULD CONSTANTLY TELL US IN THE CPAC MEETINGS OF LIKE, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST FINANCIALLY STRONG CITIES HE'S EVER WORKED WITH IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER.
I JUST THINK WE'RE ALSO GONNA, A LOT OF THINGS THAT HOLD OUR HANDS AT, AT CHANGING AND THINGS DON'T CHANGE OVERNIGHT.
AND, SORRY, CAN I, CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING? 'CAUSE WE, WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND I, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK IS WHAT OUR CONVERSATION WAS, IS NOT WIPE OUT BUT INCREASE HERE IS THAT ACCURATE STATEMENT? I WOULD SIMPLY LIKE US TO HAVE GREATER EMPHASIS ON THE HOUSING POLICY WE HAVE IN PLACE.
IT'S, IT'S VERY SUPERFICIALLY MENTIONED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
IT'S NOT INCLUDED DIRECTLY IN THE REFERENCE DOCUMENTS AS I TOLD YOU.
AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN FRONT OF US.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT, BUT TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, THE POLICY WE HAVE.
THERE ARE EVEN EXCEPTIONAL PROJECTS WHERE WE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS AN EXCEPTIONAL PROJECT LIKE WE DID AT AM.
EMILY AM EMILY DID A WONDERFUL JOB OF PUTTING TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT WAS EXCEPTIONAL THAT WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT MAYBE WHAT WE WANT, BUT IT'S EXCEPTIONAL AND SO WE'LL ACCEPT IT.
AND I JUST WANNA SEE US CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT POLICY AND TO EMPHASIZE IT FOR THE REASONS I THINK IT IS HEALTHY FOR US AS A TOWN TO DO THAT.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD US TIME AND AGAIN, AND THEY SAY IT IN THE FRONT OF THIS DOCUMENT THAT THAT IS ONE OF THEIR PRIMARY CONCERNS AND WE'RE NOT RESPONSIVE TO IT IN THIS DOCUMENT.
IN MY OPINION, THE HOUSING POLICY THAT'S IN PLACE IS NOT GOING AWAY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT FREESTANDING DOCUMENTS BY THEMSELVES.
SO, UM, FROM MY OPINION, WHICH IS JUST ONE OPINION, THE, I THINK THE NEW COMP PLAN REALLY FOCUSES ON, UH, MISSING MIDDLE, MIDDLE HOUSE HOUSING AND EXPANDING BEYOND JUST TOWN HOMES, WHICH IS THE MORE COMMON PRODUCT TYPE THAT WE'VE SEEN COME THROUGH.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE OTHER HOUSING TYPES.
UM, SO ONE, THERE IS, UM, REALLY AN ENTIRE PAGE DEDICATED.
IT'S PAGE 1 36 IS IN THE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO EMBRACING HIGHER INTENSITY OWNERSHIP OPTIONS.
AND THERE'S, UM, A COUPLE DIFFERENT PARAGRAPHS ON THAT PAGE THAT SAYS WE, THAT, I MEAN, VERBATIM, THERE CONTINUES TO BE A DESIRE FOR MORE OWNER OWNERSHIP OPTIONS AND ADDISON, BOTH FROM CURRENT OWNERS DESIRING DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND RENTERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO OWN BUT CANNOT AFFORD THESE OPTIONS.
THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THOUGH THAT MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE NOT REALISTIC DUE TO THE LACK OF VACANT LAND AND LAND VALUES NECESSITATE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS, UH, WERE IN INTERVIEWED AND IN ORDER TO MAKE OWNERSHIP, OP OWNERSHIP, HOUSING OPTIONS, PENCIL OUT, UM, ADDISON NEEDS TO EVALUATE POTENTIALLY AS A PART OF A LARGER MIXED USE CONTEXT, UM, THAT MAY INTEGRATE TOGETHER, UM, BUT ALSO PRIORITIZES DIFFERENT OPTIONS LIKE DUPLEX OR TOWN HOMES AT VARIOUS SCALES AND PRICE POINTS.
UM, SO IT DOES MI I'M GONNA SAY MIMIC WHAT THE HOUSING POLICY SAYS IN A MORE, UM, CONDENSED, AND I'M GONNA SAY CONTEMPORARY MANNER BASED UPON THE MARKET.
UM, HOWEVER, CAN YOU UNHIDE THE LAST COUPLE SLIDES? UM, AS I SAID, I MET WITH, UH, WITH ALAN LAST WEEK, UM, TO DISCUSS THIS AND THERE ARE, IT'S, IT SLIDES, UM, NOPE.
YEAH, THE THREE AFTER THE RECOMMENDATION, THOSE THREE.
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SO WE MADE THREE OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION TO ALIGN WITH WHAT ALAN'S COMMENTS FOR THE P AND Z TO CONSIDER.UM, AND SO HYPOTHETICALLY THERE COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION WITH THESE INCLUSION OF THESE MODIFICATIONS OR NOT, THAT IS AT THE COMMISSION'S DISCRETION.
UM, BUT THIS IS, UH, PAGE 1 65.
THIS IS THE SECTION REFERENCING RELATED PLANS AND POLICIES.
SO, UM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE FELT LIKE THE HOUSING POLICY FIT BEST UNDER TOWN CODES AND OTHER REGULATIONS.
IT'S NOT A AREA PLAN OR A MASTER PLAN, BUT A POLICY WE FOLLOW.
SO WE CAN REFERENCE IT THERE, UM, TO FURTHER, UM, AND STILL THAT THAT HOUSING POLICY EXISTS.
UM, THIS WAS A CONVERSATION THAT WE ALSO HAD SPECIFICALLY, AND THIS IS, UH, THE ACTION ITEM HN THREE C.
UM, SO IT SAYS CONDUCT A HOUSING STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT SITES AND AREAS WOULD BENEFIT FROM CONSTRUCTION OF ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND STRATEGIES THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED, UH, THAT COULD ACHIEVE A BROAD MIX OF HOUSING TYPES.
THE UM, ADDED STATEMENT, THIS IS NEW, IS THE LAST, UH, SENTENCE AND THAT SAYS WITH EMPHASIS ON HOUSING TYPES DESCRIBED WITHIN THE 2017 HOUSING POLICY.
AND SO THAT WAS, UH, SENIOR HOUSING FEE SIMPLE, BUT THAT STILL REFERENCES THE, THE HOUSING POLICY.
AND THEN THE LAST ITEM WAS THIS PAGE, WHICH WE ADDED.
THIS IS THE OWNERSHIP OPTIONS.
WE ACTUALLY ADDED A DIRECT LINK THAT WOULD GO TAKE YOU TO THE, THE HOUSING POLICY.
UM, YOU COULD HYPOTHETICALLY, UM, ONCE AGAIN, IF THE COMMISSION SO CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ALL THREE OF THESE CHANGES WITH ONE OR TWO OF THESE CHANGES, UM, ONCE AGAIN, I HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH ONE COMMISSIONER, SO NEED TO GET THE CONSENSUS OF THE ENTIRE GROUP.
SO I'M, I'M JUST GONNA EMPHASIZE, SO THOSE, THOSE WERE KIND OF MY SUGGESTIONS THAT I THOUGHT WERE NOT ONEROUS ADDITIONS, WHICH WERE CONSISTENT WITH OUR POLICY AND SIMPLY BROUGHT IN AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF EMPHASIS WITHOUT A LOT OF CHANGE TO THE DOCUMENT.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO REWRITE THE WORLD.
JUST MAKES IT MORE OUT IN FRONT.
SO I'M FINE WITH ALL THREE OF THOSE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYBODY? OKAY, THANK YOU.
NOW I NEED TO, OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DELIBERATION IN GENERAL? UM, YEAH, I JUST SO I KNOW I'M NOT GONNA WIN THIS ONE, SO I'M JUST GONNA THROW CAUTION, RIGHT? I'M JUST GONNA THROW CAUTION TO POSTERITY, RIGHT? SO IN, IN ITEM REGARDING THE PRECISION OF THE LANGUAGE WITH WALKABILITY, I STILL TAKE OBJECTION TO THE MULTIMODAL, UM, BECAUSE THE ASSETS RELATE, OR EXCUSE ME, IN THE ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES SUMMARIZED IN THE APPENDIX.
THE TOP THING WAS, UH, FOR, FOR ONE OF THE, FOR THE ASPIRATIONS WAS DRAMATICALLY INCREASED WALKABILITY BY CONNECTIONS AND TRANSIT OPTIONS.
AND THAT WAS FAR AND AWAY THE TOP, THE TOP ASPIRATION AND, AND SOME OF THE ENGAGEMENT WE DID.
SO THERE'S HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OR, UM, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT AGREE.
SO I WANT TO CAUTION US GOING FORWARD, I WISH WE COULD CHANGE IT.
I KNOW WE CAN'T, SO I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA PRESS IT, BUT THAT PRECISION WAS DESIRED BY MANY OF THE CPAC IN QUITE A BIT OF THE COMMUNITY AND I HOPE THAT WE REMEMBER IT IN 2050.
THAT MULTIMODAL REALLY MEANS THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY WE BUILD THAT WAY.
OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PLAN IS GREAT.
I'M READY FOR IT TO BE PASSED.
READY FOR A MOTION? HOLD ON A LITTLE PREMATURE THERE.
WE GOT A COUPLE THINGS WE NEED TO DO THERE.
COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS FIRST? NO.
NOW I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC CURING.
YOU'RE PUTTING UP FIVE AND SIX, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T MEAN TO WE CAN CROSS THAT OFF.
BUT I WAS JUST, YOU GOTTA GET UP TO MIKE AND GIVE US, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DEBATING IN PAST MEETINGS ABOUT THINGS.
UH, PLEASE STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT A FEW THINGS.
IT WAS OBVIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH 300 SOMETHING PAGES OR WHATEVER IT WAS OF THIS PLAN, BUT, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MENTIONS WALKABILITY, CONNECTIVITY, ET CETERA, 180 PLUS TIMES, BUT IT BARELY MENTIONS THE ADDISON HOUSING POLICY 180 TIMES.
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THEN IT WENT ON, THERE WAS A SECTION ACTUALLY REMOVED.IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING WAS REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL DRAFT.
ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, THE COUNT TOWN COULD PUT POLICIES IN PLACE TO LIMIT ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, BUT THIS COULD IMPACT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING AT OBTAINABILITY.
IT'S LIKE WE, WE GO TWO STEPS FORWARD, TWO STEPS BACK AND THEN THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS IT TONIGHT THAT THEY MISSED.
THEY FORGOT TO MENTION THE RISK OF THE MULTIFAMILY.
AND I THINK GOING TO WHAT ALAN WAS SAYING, THE TAX BASE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE 'CAUSE I'VE ANALYZED IT.
ADDISON CIRCLE, THE INCREASE IN TAX FOR THE APARTMENTS THIS YEAR WAS 1.4%.
OKAY? MY HOUSE WAS 10, MOST SINGLE FAMILY WAS OVER 10%.
OR THEY, THEY TAP, THEY HAVE TO CAP IT OF COURSE AT THE 10, SOME OF THEM WANTED TO GO HIGHER OF COURSE, BUT IT WAS 1.4%.
I THINK THE AMIE BUILDING WAS TWO, THAT THAT WAS THE INCREASE.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA KEEP GOING UP.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT ALAN WAS TRYING TO, UH, POINT OUT.
NOBODY THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
UM, AND THE RISK OF THE, UH, AGING OFFICE, I MEAN THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS.
I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT WERE NOT EVEN DISCUSSED IN THIS FABULOUS 2050 PLAN, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND WALKABILITY 180 TIMES.
I LIVE AT 4 9 2 5 MARCUS AVENUE, UNIT 3, 4 0 9.
UH, I'M STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN AND I ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT IT.
THIS PLAN HAS BEEN, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS LONG ENOUGH AND THIS TIME THAT WE GET IT THROUGH, WE ARE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO 2050 AND I WOULD LIKE THAT TO STILL BE FAR AWAY WHEN THIS HAS PASSED.
UM, BESIDES THAT, I, THE REST OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT I EXIST AND THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE LIKE ME.
I LOVE ADDISON BECAUSE IT IS WALKABLE AND BECAUSE THERE IS GOOD CONNECTIVITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE ADDISON CIRCLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE LIKE THIS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THERE'S VERY FEW LIKE THIS IN THE US.
EVERY TIME I'VE BROUGHT A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER TO ADDISON, THEY HAVE TOLD ME HOW MUCH THEY LOVE BEING ABLE TO WALK TO PLACES.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING THAT THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED SO MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.
AND I ASK THAT Y'ALL CONTINUE THAT MISSION BY VOTING AND APPROVING FOR THIS PLAN.
BESIDES THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR Y'ALL SERVICE TO ADDISON.
I DO APPRECIATE IT AND I HOPE Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? OH, SORRY, I GOTTA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST WHAT, PROBABLY ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
OH, ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? HAVING SEEN NONE? WE ARE CLOSING THE OPEN SESSION PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
COMMISSIONERS ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, HAVING SEEN NONE TO HAVE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE THREE ADDITIONS THAT YOU SHOWED US REGARDING THE HOUSING POLICY.
OKAY, THE LAST ITEM OF THE NIGHT.
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