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[1. Call Meeting to Order]
TODAY'S TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025.I CALL THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORK SESSION INTO START, WHATEVER, BEGINNING.
[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]
HI, LESLIE NI, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES FOR THE TOWN.UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF UPDATES ON SOME, UM, P AND Z ITEMS. UM, THE FIRST BEING I PROVIDED OCTOBERFEST TICKETS FOR YOU, UM, FOR THIS WEEK.
WE'RE EXCITED TO, TO GET STARTED WITH THAT.
UM, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY, UM, P AND Z ITEMS CARRY FORWARD FROM THE LAST MEETING.
ANY ZONING ACTION ITEMS, SO NOTHING THAT COUNSEL HAS ACTED UPON RECENTLY.
UM, AND AS, UH, YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR AGENDA LATER ON THE, UH, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WENT INTO, UM, P AND Z REVIEW EARLIER THIS MONTH.
UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE FOR I, UH, ITEM ONE ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA.
[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the September 16, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting: August 19, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes. Special Use Permit request for Flight Club, a restaurant with indoor entertainment, at Village on the Parkway (Case 1936-SUP). Rezoning request from Mixed-Use Center (M-4) zoning district to Mixed-Use Suburban Corridor (M-2) zoning district for 4850 Airport Parkway for fee-simple townhomes (Case 1941-Z). Planned Development Amendment for AMLI Treehouse, Phase 1 to modify the Permitted Use and Development Standards and Development Plans for fee-simple townhomes (Case 1940-Z). Planned Development Amendment for AMLI Treehouse, Phase 2 to modify the Permitted Use and Development Standards and Development Plans for fee-simple townhomes (Case 1942-Z).]
ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA.THIS A DISCUSSION REGARDING, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, SEPTEMBER 16TH.
UM, AND THE FIRST ITEM IS THE AUGUST 19TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES, WHICH WERE PROVIDED FOR YOU, UH, FOR REVIEW AND ACTION.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS AS PREPARED? OKAY.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR FLIGHT CLUB, NOT FIGHT CLUB FLIGHT.
THERE'S AN L IN THERE EVERY TIME I READ IT.
THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A TYPO WHEN THEY FIRST EMAILED ME, AND SO THEY SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB AT VILLAGE IN THE PARKWAY? AND I SAID, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
SO, BUT IT IS DARTS FLIGHT CLUB.
SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST.
UM, AND THIS IS FOR, UM, A RESTAURANT WITH INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT FOR LATE NIGHT HOURS.
SO, UM, JUST A REMINDER, THE U UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TOOK A EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST.
SO, UM, THERE MIGHT BE, UM, A BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE AND WE'LL TRY TO EDUCATE WHEN KIND OF NEW THINGS COME UP WITH UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT APPLY.
AND IN THIS CASE, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT USE WITH ALCOHOL FOR ON ONSITE CONSUMPTION.
IT IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE A RESTAURANT, UH, FOR LATE NIGHT HOURS, WHICH IS OPEN PAST 11:00 PM SO THAT IS THE DIFFERENTIATOR WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO JUST TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
LIKE I SAID, WE'LL REITERATE THAT ESPECIALLY MOVING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AS WE START TO EXPERIENCE SOME OF THESE NEW, UM, CODES.
SO YEAH, SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, I GET IT THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO SUVS FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THINGS, BUT AREN'T MOST OF THE RESTAURANTS NOW STAYING OPEN TILL PAST 11 OR NOT? I, I'M JUST, I'M CURIOUS.
UM, WE SEE WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE LIKE, CHAINS THAT ARE OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
UM, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE, WE AS STAFF AND, AND P AND Z AND COUNCIL MIGHT REEVALUATE LATER IS, ARE WE ACTUALLY, IS MIDNIGHT MAYBE THE HAPPIER? THAT'S TIME.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EVALUATE AND POTENTIALLY BRING FORWARD AN AMENDMENT TO HELP FURTHER STREAMLINE.
UH, WHAT WE WERE DEFINITELY WANTING TO STREAMLINE IS WE, WE WERE HAVING TO HAVE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A, A PROPOSED BAKERY AND YOU KNOW, THEIR SUP PROCESS WAS TAKING THEM SIX MONTHS FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
AND IT WAS LIKE, IT'S A BAKERY, RIGHT? IS NOT, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT O OPEN PAST.
I THINK, I THINK THEIR HOURS WERE LIKE 10, CLOSING AT NINE OR 10.
THEY WERE LIKE A DAYTIME BUSINESS.
SO IN THAT INSTANCE, THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO ANYWAY, SO FLIGHT CLUB, UM, IT IS, IS GOING, UH, VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
UM, THIS IS, UH, A FORMER RESTAURANT SPACE.
AND, UM, I, IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THIS CO THIS IS CORY'S CASE, SO I MIGHT TURN IT OVER TO HER.
I'M JUST MORE CURIOUS, IS THIS THE TYPICAL SIZE OF THEIR OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS? DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK? SO I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS AND COREY CAN JUMP IN.
UM, THEY DID NOT INITIALLY WANT THE ENTIRE SPACE.
UM, THAT WAS NOT THEIR INTENT.
HOWEVER, IT WAS A VERY UNIQUE SPACE 'CAUSE IT'S, UM, BETWEEN SEVEN AND 8,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'S LARGER THAN THEY WANTED AT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
HOWEVER, THE ISSUE CAME IS THERE, THEY WANTED, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE 5,500 SQUARE FEET, BUT THEN VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY WAS LEFT WITH A SUITE THAT WAS LIKE 1500 SQUARE FEET IN
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A VERY UNIQUE POSITION, UH, SITUATION, I SHOULD SAY IN THE LOCATION IN THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS.SO IT WOULD'VE HAD TO BEEN LIKE A SERVICE OR A RETAIL BUSINESS AND THAT JUST WASN'T GOING TO WORK.
SO I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A HISTORY AND THROUGH NEGOTIATE PRIVATE NEGOTIATIONS, BELGIUM PARKWAY GOT THEM TO ACCEPT THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH IS BETWEEN SEVEN AND 8,000 SQUARE FEET.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO.
AND, UM, AND DURING THE REGULAR MEETING, COREY DID AN EVALUATION ON OTHER LATE NIGHT BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AND CAN, UM, PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST, UM, AS A STRAIGHT REZONING REQUEST.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY VACANT AT AIRPORT PARKWAY AND CORRUM DRIVE AT THE INTERSECTION THERE, UM, FROM M FOUR OR MIXED USE CENTER TO M TWO MIXED USE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR.
UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 48 50 AIRPORT PARKWAY.
UM, THE INTENT IS FOR THIS, UM, DEVELOPER COBALT HOMES, WHICH CURRENTLY IS, UM, CONSTRUCTING A PROJECT ON BELTWAY, UH, TO CONSTRUCT APPROXIMATELY 29 FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES.
THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE STILL VERY EARLY IN THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS, SO THERE'S STILL UM, A WAYS TO GO, BUT THAT'S THEIR GOAL RIGHT NOW IS 29 FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES.
UM, THEY'RE HOPING TO REZONE TO M TWO, WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM TO, UM, CONSTRUCT THOSE TOWN HOMES BY RIGHT.
SO THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO GO THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW PROCESS, UM, THE, UM, CIVIL ENGINEERING PERMITTING PROCESS AND THEN BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AS WELL.
ARE THEY COMING THIS EVENING? UH, YES.
SO DIRECT QUESTIONS TO THEM OR CAN I ASK YOU IF, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN ANSWER.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SALES ACTIVITIES LIKE ON THE BELTWAY SITE? I DO NOT KNOW.
NO, I KNOW THAT THEY, UM, CLOSED ON THEIR INTENT WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OFFICIALLY EXECUTED.
THEIR INTENT WAS TO CLOSE ON THE FIRST SIX TOWNHOMES LAST WEEK.
AND REMIND ME, IS THAT 36 OR 38? THAT ONE IS 31.
SO YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THAT ONE.
YEAH, UM, I MEAN, I LIKE TOWN HOMES.
UH, SO IT OBVIOUSLY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE M TWO DOESN'T AFFECT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AT ALL, SO THERE'S NO NONCONFORMITIES, SO THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE FOR ME.
UM, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T GET MORE INTENSE STUFF HERE? LIKE ANOTHER CONDO SITE OR ANYTHING, JUST NO INTEREST OR, SURE.
SO, UM, REALLY THE ISSUE IS, UH, THAT THIS PARTICULAR SITE, IT'S THE SIZE AND THE FACT THAT THE DENSITY ISSUE IS YOU EITHER HAVE TO GO REALLY TALL 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO A PODIUM IN ORDER TO GET THE DENSITY TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE.
AND YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING AT TALKING LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT PLUS STORIES, WHICH, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT'S FEASIBLE ANYWAYS, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT.
UM, AND THEN THE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IS A LOWER DENSITY, WHICH IS WHAT'S PROPOSED, WHICH IS SERVICE PARKING.
SO, 'CAUSE THE SIZE OF THE, THE, THE SIZE OF THE SITE DOES NOT ACCOMMODATE A STRUCTURED PARKING SCENARIO.
AND SO YOU, YOU LOSE YOUR ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY WHEN YOU INCREASE DENSITY.
UM, WHERE WE DID SEE SOME POTENTIAL ACTIVITY WAS, UM, ALSO WITH THIS VACANT SITE, TAKING THE ADJACENT SITE TO THE SOUTH, WHICH HOUSES AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT.
AND REDEVELOPING BOTH PARCELS TOGETHER.
UM, THE ONE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS ACTUALLY FAIRLY, UM, WELL-MAINTAINED IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT OFFICE BUILDING.
THE BARRIER TO ENTRY FOR REDEVELOPMENT WAS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.
AND WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO ACHIEVE WITH THAT.
WHAT WE SAW FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE WAS HIGH DENSITY, MULTIFAMILY, UM, ACTUALLY HIGHER DENSITY THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE, WE SEE TODAY.
SO, WHICH DIDN'T NECESSARILY FIT THE CONTEXT EITHER.
AND THAT SITE COULD HAVE NEVER FIT LIKE A GROCERY STORE, SOMETHING ELSE USEFUL POTENTIALLY? UM, THERE WASN'T A, A MARKET ALL GOOD.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE RECEIVED INTEREST FROM.
WE RECEIVED A LOT OF, UM, RESIDENTIAL INTEREST ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE.
YEAH, NO, I'VE GOT NO INTEREST OR NO PROBLEM WITH THE TOWN HOMES.
JUST, JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THAT SITE COULD HAVE BEEN.
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AND THEN THE LAST TWO ITEMS, WHICH IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, UM, FOR AMLI TREE HOUSE, IT'S UH, AMENDMENT TO PHASE ONE AND AMENDMENT TO PHASE TWO.I WILL BE PRESENTING BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER AND WE WILL HAVE TO DO TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
UM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I'LL BE PRESENTING THEM TOGETHER 'CAUSE THEY'RE SO INTERTWINED.
UM, BUT WHY THIS IS COMING FORWARD IS THE TREEHOUSE PROJECT.
UM, AMIE HAS WENT THROUGH A COMPETITIVE PROCESS TO SELECT A, UH, TOWN HOME BUILDER FOR THE 56 FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES THAT WERE A PART OF THE AMWAY TREE HOUSE PROJECT, UM, AT WHEN THAT PROJECT WAS INITIALLY ENTITLED.
UM, PHASE ONE CAME THROUGH IN 2022 AND PHASE TWO CAME THROUGH IN 2024.
UM, AMWAY NEVER CONTEMPLATED BUILDING THOSE FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES THEMSELVES.
THEY ALWAYS ANTICIPATED PARTNERING WITH A TOWN HOME A FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOME BUILDER.
UM, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, IS THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED A FEE, SIMPLE TOWN, HOME BUILDER, CADENCE HOMES.
UM, CADENCE HAS MANY COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX.
THEY SPECIALIZE IN TWO AND THREE STORY FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES.
UM, PROBABLY THE CLOSEST THEY HAVE PROJECTS IN MCKINNEY PROSPER, UM, LAS COLINAS.
SO, UH, WE, THEY HAVE MANY PRODUCTS, UM, NEARBY, BUT THEY ARE BRINGING FORWARD A PD AMENDMENT TO UPDATE THE FACADE PLANS, UM, MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE FLOOR PLANS AND SOME ADDITIONAL CLARITY FOR THEM TO CONSTRUCT THE FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES.
SO WITH THIS REQUEST, THERE ARE NO PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO ANY OF THE MULTI-FAMILY, TO ANY OF THE RENTAL TOWN HOMES OR ANY OF THE PUBLIC SPACES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT? IT IS REALLY THE ONLY, ACTUALLY, I TAKE THAT BACK, THERE'S ONE MINOR AMENDMENT, UM, BUT THERE IS NO, YOU WON'T SEE ANY CHANGE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY.
THE ONE AMENDMENT THAT'S NOT, UM, REALLY SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN HOMES THEMSELVES IS THERE WAS A PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE PERMITTED USES FOR RESTAURANT TO BE IN LINE WITH THE UDC.
SO IN THE, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED, IT SPECIFIED THAT A RESTAURANT REQUIRED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
EMILY ASKED IF WE WOULD CONSIDER, UH, AMENDING THAT.
SO IT WAS IN LINE WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, ALLOWS A RESTAURANT BUT DOES NOT ALLOW LATE NIGHT HOURS.
SO FOR THEM TO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, INSTALL A CAFE ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THEIR MULTIFAMILY, THAT COULD BE LIKELY PERMITTED BY RIGHT AS LONG AS IT WASN'T OPEN PAST 11:00 PM UM, THAT WOULD HELP THEM TREMENDOUSLY FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE OF FILLING THOSE RETAIL SPACES BECAUSE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL UP SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS IN A, IN FRONT OF A BUILDING PROCESS FOR A RETAIL TENANT IS SIGNIFICANT.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DID ASK, WHICH WOULD AFFECT BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.
'CAUSE THERE IS RETAIL ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE PHASE ONE MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THERE IS THOSE TWO STANDALONE, UM, RETAIL SITES ON PHASE TWO.
UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.
THE, THE BUILDINGS I SAW WERE THOSE ALL FEE SIMPLE OR WERE SOME OF THOSE RENTAL BECAUSE IT DIDN'T, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL PLAN, SOME OF THEM I THINK WERE RENTAL AT THE BACK OF THE SOUTHERNMOST PROPERTY.
SO I WAS, I WAS CONFUSED, BUT IT'S PROBABLY JUST ME.
UH, GIMME JUST A SECOND AND I WILL CLARIFY.
SO THEY'RE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A CHANGE OF RENTAL TO FEE SIMPLE IN ANY WAY? NOPE.
THE ONES THAT AREN'T, OR THE ONES YEAH, YEAH.
ARE THE ONES, BECAUSE THEY'RE BACK UP TO THOSE TWO APARTMENTS.
THOSE ARE ONES I THOUGHT THESE ONES DOWN HERE WERE RENTAL.
ALL, ALL JUST THOSE, JUST THOSE TWO, THOSE OTHER TWO THAT ARE BETWEEN THE BIG BUILDING AND THEN THOSE TWO THAT BACK UP? YEAH, THOSE TWO.
THAT, THAT WAS OKAY, MY CONFUSION.
YEAH, SO THERE ARE, THERE'S 50, SO NONE OF THE, THE LAND USES THEMSELVES ARE NOT CHANGING, THE UNIT COUNTS THEMSELVES ARE NOT CHANGING.
SO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED WAS 56 FEET SIMPLE.
THAT'S WHAT CADENCE WANTS TO DO.
THEY JUST, THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UM, APPROVED AS A SPECULATIVE TOWN HOME, THREE STORY SPECULATIVE TOWN HOME.
UM, AND CADENCE IS COMING IN SAYING THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, ALL THE TOWN HOMES REALLY BORDER THE NEW, UM, LINEAR PARK OR REDDING TRAIL PARK EXTENSION, UM, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, SO ANYTHING YOU SEE SHADED IN GRAY IS AN THE AMLI PRODUCT THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING.
IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THERE ARE NO MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE BUILDINGS OR THOSE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE GRAY OUT PORTIONS.
SO, AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE RESTAURANT, WHAT WERE THE HOURS OF OPERATION GOING TO BE? YEAH, WELL, SO, UM, THE, WHERE THERE IS RETAIL IN THIS, UH, THE TREEHOUSE PROJECT IS THE GROUND FLOOR OF, OF THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE ALONG MIDWAY AND THEN
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THESE TWO PAD SITES RIGHT HERE.AND, UM, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, THAT TOOK EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST.
IT DOES ALLOW RESTAURANTS, UM, BY RIGHT AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT CLOSE, OR EXCUSE ME, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T OPERATE PAST 11:00 PM SO REALLY IT'S AN OPERATIONAL STANDARD IN REGARDS TO LATE NIGHT HOURS.
SO THESE WOULD ONLY OPERATE, THEIR REQUEST WOULD ONLY ACCOMMODATE OPERATION UP TILL 11:00 PM IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY W RIGHT.
IF THEY WANTED TO OPERATE PAST 11:00 PM THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL TO REQUEST APPROVAL OF THAT.
I I WASN'T SURE I READ THAT CORRECTLY EITHER.
SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE CLARIFICATION.
UM, AND EMILY, UM, WILL BE HERE GOOD TONIGHT AS WELL AND CADENCE WILL BE HERE, HERE AS WELL.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION PLANNED.
UM, THE ONE THING I WILL NOTE IS, UM, THERE ARE SOME CHANGES LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THEY WANT TO REDUCE THE OVERALL MASONRY PERCENTAGE.
UM, AND THEY WANNA AVERAGE PER BY FACADE BETWEEN 50 AND 88%.
THEY WANNA PROVIDE A CEDAR STYLE.
UM, CAN YOU GO TO ONE OF THE FACADES? THERE WE GO.
UM, LIKE YOU SEE HERE, THEY WANT THIS TO PROVIDE THIS CEDAR STYLE PLANK ON THE FRONT.
IT HAD SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST, WHICH ULTIMATELY DECREASED THE AMOUNT OF OVERALL MASONRY.
UM, SO THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, OF KIND OF MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT THE SPECULATIVE TOWN HOME ULTIMATELY PROPOSED.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, CADENCE AND DID HOST A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
THEY INVITED THE ADDISON TIMBERS AS WELL AS THE TOWN LAKE COMMUNITIES BEHIND THIS PROPERTY.
AND THEY MET MAY 15TH, UM, OF THIS YEAR AND THEY HAD ABOUT 30 PEOPLE ATTEND.
AND IT WAS, EVERYTHING WAS POSITIVELY RECEIVED.
THERE WAS NO CRITICISM OR, UM, NEGATIVE FEEDBACK SHARED AT THAT MEETING.
CAN QUICK QUESTION ON THE FLOOR, ON THEIR FLOOR PLANS MM-HMM
ARE THEY ALLOWED TO MODIFY THOSE? WHAT DO YOU DEFINE AS A MODIFICATION?
BUT IT'D BE NICE IF THEY HAD STACKED CLOSETS SO THAT SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE COULD SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA DO A LITTLE RESIDENTIAL ELEVATOR AND ALL YOU DO IS BREAK OUT THE FLOORS AND THEY CAN USE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM
THEN THEY COULD, THEY COULD STICK IT IN THERE, WHICH THAT, BUT THAT WOULD MEAN MODIFYING THESE FLOOR PLANS OR A FLOOR PLAN.
SO IF YOU, SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, I MEAN EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO REVIEW ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT IF YOU WERE, FOR EXAMPLE, PROPOSING TO MODIFY, TURN A CLOSET INTO AN ELEVATOR AND YOU WEREN'T PROPOSING TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE A THREE BEDROOM HOME AND MAKE IT INTO A ONE BEDROOM WITH, I DON'T KNOW, SOME SORT OF LIKE ART GALLERY ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND YOU'RE GOING TO OPERATE A BUSINESS, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD, UM, REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK THROUGH A HOMEOWNER TO COME BACK THROUGH P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL TO CONVERT A CLOSET TO AN ELEVATOR.
UM, IF YOU WEREN'T CHANGING THE INTENT OF WHAT THE USE WAS.
I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SO ONE THING, ONE THING THAT IS IN THE, THE PD STANDARDS THAT WAS PROPOSED IS, UM, LET ME FIND, SO I SAY THE EXACT, SO THIS WAS, UM, A REQUEST FROM, UM, CADENCE, UM, THAT THEY ASKED THAT THE DIRECTOR OF DENT SERVICES MAY APPROVE ALTERNATE FLOOR PLAN SO LONG AS THE FLOOR PLAN MEETS THE MINIMUM FLOOR AREA PER DWELLING UNIT REQUIREMENT AND THE FACADE GENERALLY COMPLIES WITH THE APPRO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
MAY I ASK YOU TO GO BACK TO THE, THE, UH, ELEVATIONS? THEY, YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING A, UM, MASONRY TO GO 50 AS LOW AS 50% TO 80%.
SO ARE WE NOT APPROVING THAT ELEVATION? ARE THEY, UH, HOLDING IN THEIR POCKET THE IDEA THAT THEY COULD MODIFY THAT? NO.
SO IT WOULD BE, YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING THESE ELEVATIONS AND, UM, THESE ELEVATIONS, THE RANGE PER ELEVATION IS BETWEEN 50 AND 88% MASONRY FROM THE BUILDING.
ARE YOU CONSIDERING ONE UNIT OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE, CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE FACADE? UM, EXCLUDING GLAZING.
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ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO THOSE ARE ALL THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING CASES THAT YOU JUMP OVER PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED THIS EVENING.[3. Present and discuss the latest draft of Advance Addison 2050. ]
THE LAST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA IS TO PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE LATEST DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVANCE ADDISON 2050.UM, ALRIGHT, SO TONIGHT, UM, WE ARE GOING TO JUST QUICKLY GO OVER THE PROJECT PROCESS WHERE WE'RE AT SO FAR, UM, DISCUSS THE UPDATED DRAFT AND THEN ALSO DISCUSS NEXT STEPS.
THERE WILL BE SOME DIALOGUE IN THERE.
UM, SO WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS, WE ARE AT THE TAIL END OF THE PROCESS, PHASE SIX, UM, WHICH WE HAVE OFFICIALLY STARTED WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE ADOPTION MEETINGS, WHICH IS, UM, WE HAVE, UH, DRAFT SIX.
SO WE'RE AT THE POINT OF WE'RE NARROWING DOWN THE SCOPE TO ACHIEVE HOPEFULLY A FINAL, UM, ACCEPTABLE DOCUMENT FOR ADOPTION.
AND JUST WANT TO, UM, TAKE A MOMENT TO LOOK BACK AT HOW WE GOT HERE.
SO, UH, IN APRIL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID RECOMMEND THE DRAFT, UH, FOR, UM, CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC.
AND AT THAT POINT WE DID RELEASE THAT DOCUMENT FOR PUBLIC, UM, CONSUMPTION AND OR REVIEW AND COMMENT.
SO WE TOOK THE ENTIRE, UM, REALLY MONTH OF MAY, I THINK WE OPENED IT MAY 1ST THROUGH JUNE 2ND, APPROXIMATELY.
AND, UH, ACCEPTED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THAT DRAFT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY CPAC.
UM, SOME ENGAGEMENT WE DID SPECIFICALLY TO GARNER FEEDBACK FOR THAT, UH, STAFF DISTRIBUTED A HUNDRED DIFFERENT SIGNS THAT WE PUT UP AROUND TOWN SEEKING FEEDBACK, UH, PARKS AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES.
UH, WE DID MAIL A POSTCARD TO EVERY RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS IN ADDISON THAT INCLUDES, UM, BOTH SINGLE LIKE, UH, FEE SIMPLE AS WELL AS RENTAL UNITS.
SO APARTMENTS WERE INCLUDED IN THAT.
UH, WE DID UPDATE, UM, VARIOUS TOWN MEDIAS, INCLUDING THE TOWN AND PROJECT WEBSITES, SOCIAL MEDIA NEWSLETTER, ET CETERA.
UM, WE DID HOLD A, WHAT'S THE SCOOP SCOOP EVENT, UH, AT THE END OF MAY AT THE STONE COTTAGE, UM, WHERE IT WAS REALLY JUST KIND OF A, A COME AND GO MEET AND GREET STYLE EVENT.
WE HAD VARIOUS MATERIALS THAT PEOPLE COULD ASK QUESTIONS OR, UM, LOOK AT PHYSICAL COPIES THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE OF THE PLAN.
SO WITH THAT, UM, WE TOOK THOSE COMMENTS.
WE HAD SEVERAL HUNDRED, UM, COMMENTS THAT WE GARNERED FROM THAT, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WE ALSO HAD VARIOUS STAFF REVIEW AS WELL, UM, WITH OTHER ONGOING, UM, PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE WE WERE STAYING UP TO DATE.
AND THERE WAS A FEW UPDATES THAT CAME WITH WITH THAT.
SO, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT IS MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE'S ANY FORMATTING UPDATES, GRAMMATICAL UPDATES, WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THOSE.
WE SEEM TO ALWAYS CATCH ONE WE MISSED THE NEXT TIME.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO POLISH THE DOCUMENT AS WE GO.
UM, ALSO RESPONDING TO COMMENTS, UM, CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UM, UPDATING, UH, DATA AND OTHER IMAGERY AND GRAPHS, GRAPHICS AS APPROPRIATE.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE DID AS WE, UM, LOOKED AT AND RESPONDED TO THOSE COMMENTS.
AND SO THIS NEXT KIND OF EXERCISE, THERE WAS SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AND THEY BOTH A, I'M GONNA CALL IT A PARENT COMMENT AND THEN THE THREAD ASSOCIATED.
SO THERE WAS, UM, A, A PARENT COMMENT AND THEN THERE WAS DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH AND THERE WERE SEVERAL, UM, INDIVIDUALS THAT PROVIDED THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN.
AND FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE DID, WERE NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS, UM, THE APPROPRIATE EDIT BASED UPON THAT FEEDBACK.
SO THESE WERE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE WANTED TO PRESENT IN FRONT OF YOU AND GET YOUR THOUGHTS, GET YOUR FEEDBACK, AND SEE WHAT DIRECTION YOU HAD FOR US.
UM, 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS IS A COMMUNITY SHAPED DOCUMENT, SO, UM, WE'RE HERE TO HELP FACILITATE.
SO, UH, WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE IS WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THESE VARIOUS COMMENTS AND JUST ASK FOR, UH, FOR FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL.
UM, THIS PRESENTATION DID GET ADDED TO YOUR ONEDRIVE, SO IF YOU WANNA HAVE IT TO BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AND LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER.
IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOLDER.
AND, UM, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE IN THE THE PUBLIC COMMENT DRAFT THAT YOU RECEIVED, THESE ARE THE
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CORRESPONDING NUMBERS OF THE COMMENTS FOR REFERENCE.SO, UM, JUST ANOTHER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT WITH THE, WITH CPAC, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF CONSENSUS VERSUS CONSENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE CONSENSUS IF ON ANY TOPIC EVER.
UM, SO WHAT WE TRY TO FACILITATE IS JUST REACHING THE BEST POSSIBLE, UM, CONSENT OF THE GROUP.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO, SO, UH, ONE OF THOSE TOPICS, UM, WAS THE DECK PARKING ALONG, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DECK PARK ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.
UM, THIS IS THE REFERENCED POINT IN THE DOCUMENT, PAGE 40.
UM, AND THEN HERE IS THE DIALOGUE.
SO, UM, WELCOME TO READ THIS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE DIALOGUE IS, IS THIS A GOOD USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS TO PURSUE THIS? IS THIS A VIABLE OPTION? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN THE PLAN? UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PROS AND CONS, BOTH SIDES.
UM, TO ACHIEVE TRYING TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT WOULD BE HUGE UNDERTAKING AS WE ALL CAN IMAGINE.
SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON AND SEE IF WE CAN REACH CONSENT ON IF WE SHOULD STICK THIS VERY INNOVATIVE IDEA IN THE PLAN AND SEE WHERE IT GOES IN THE FUTURE.
UM, OR IF WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, FOCUS OUR SITES ON SOMETHING ELSE, WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF INCLUDING IT? SO, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S A VISIONARY DOCUMENT, IT'S INTENDED.
UM, I THINK I ALSO WANNA PREFACE BY SAYING ADDISON'S IN A STAGE OF REDEVELOPMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER ADDISON CIRCLE PARK TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, PROJECT IN ADDISON.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A DECK PARK COULD BE, BUT, UM, WE'RE AT A POINT OF REDEVELOPMENT, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE HUGE, YOU KNOW, TOWN ALTERING VISION IDEAS WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE CONFERENCE OF LAND IS JUST A VISIONARY DOCUMENT AND SAY, WHAT DO WE THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, WHERE WE'RE CONSIDERING REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU KEEP IT IN HERE, ARE YOU KEEPING THIS LANGUAGE IN HERE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT CLYDE WARREN ONLY GOT DONE BECAUSE OF PUBLIC MONEY? I MEAN IT'S, OR FROM PRIVATE MONEY, NOT PUBLIC.
I MEAN, YEAH, IT WAS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WAS, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
AND I MEAN, IT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM GOING IN HERE, BUT I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THE TOWN'S GONNA BE ABLE TO PULL US OFF.
UM, YEAH, NO, I, I AGREE WITH THAT AND I DON'T, UM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, I OBVIOUSLY CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
THAT'S, UH, WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THAT, UM, WHICH IS WHY ONE OF THE PROJECTS FOR THE ADDISON CIRCLE REVISIONING PLAN IS A CAPITAL GIVING CAMPAIGN TO HELP FUND SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO I, I THINK THAT THAT THOUGHT IS, IS AWARE OR WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.
I MEAN, THAT, I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS GOING IN HERE.
I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE HEAVILY STRESSED THAT IF IT GOES IN HERE THAT THE TOWN CANNOT AFFORD TO DO THIS.
I SAW THIS MORE AS A SOLUTION, UM, AS OPPOSED TO AN ASPIRATION.
SO I'M NOT, I I'M NOT SO SURE I WOULD AGREE TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE THE ASPIRATION IS TO CONNECT THE CITY AND, AND TO CREATE A WALKABLE, UH, ENVIRONMENT THAT'S WONDERFUL.
THAT'S A SOLUTION TO THAT ASPIRATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT DOES NO HARM, SURE.
BUT I SEE IT AS MORE OF A SOLUTION, NOT WHAT THE, UH, PLAN IS TRYING TO BE THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S MORE OBSTACLES FOR US TO DO A DECK PARK THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL.
IT'S DALLAS CONTROLS THAT INTERSECTION.
AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, AND NOW THIS HAS BEEN YEARS AND YEARS AGO, BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT, THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF CHAIN GETTING RID OF THE U-TURN LANE.
WE WENT TO TALK TO THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE OVER THERE AT ONE POINT, THERE WAS A GRANDIOSE IDEA.
I I THINK WE NEED TO CONNECT EAST AND WEST SOMEHOW, FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT I MEAN, IT WAS, WE EVEN HAD SOMEBODY COME UP, I MEAN, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LITERALLY A FLOATING PEDESTRIAN RING OVER THAT INTERSECTION.
WE COULD GO UP ON ANY CORNER AND WALK TO ANY, ANY CORNER WITHOUT GETTING OUT IN TRAFFIC, WHICH WAS A COOL IDEA.
BUT AGAIN, WHO'S GONNA FUND THAT? YOU KNOW,
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THE, JUST THE FACT THAT WE, WE REALIZE WE HAVE TO GET A BETTER CONNECTION FROM EAST TO WEST ACROSS THE TOLLWAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NOT NECESSARILY SAY IT'S A DECK PARK OR IT'S THIS OR IT'S THAT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMMIT'S LIKE TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF SOLUTION, A SMALL ONE SOLUTION.
SO I THINK THAT IF THERE'S OTHER CONCERNS WITH DOING A DECK PARK, UM, OTHER THAN JUST THE FUNDING OF IT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU DECK OVER A FREEWAY, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SAFETY CONCERNS AS WELL.
SO, AND UM, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH DALLAS, YOU'D HAVE TO WORK WITH NTTA TO LOOK AT FEASIBILITY IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
NOW, UH, FORGIVE ME, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE LOOKED THROUGH THE ENTIRE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT SPECIFIC EAST WEST DNT CONNECTION? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I'M COOL WITH LIKE LEAVING THAT AS AN ASPIRATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN THIS COMMENT THREAD.
I AGREE WITH DENISE AND TOM THAT IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW, IF SOME FRIENDLY BILLIONAIRE, AND I'M NOT SURE THERE ARE ANY, UM, COME
YOU KNOW, THAT LEAVE US OPEN TO IT, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO BE BEHOLDEN TO SEARCHING, UH, FOR IT.
SO, YEAH, I THINK THE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE THEMES OF THE PLAN IS CONNECTIVITY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PLAN SAYS THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT IS A DECK PARK, AND THAT'S ALL WE SHOULD SET OUR SIGHTS ON, BUT I THINK IT'S, UM, OBVIOUSLY CONTEMPLATED.
SO WE, IT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF THE QUESTION OF SHOULD WE NAVIGATE AROUND THAT CONTEMPLATING THAT IDEA OR LEAVE IT IN.
SO I, I HEAR, I THINK I HEAR FOUR THAT ARE LIKE, MEH, ABOUT LEAVING IT IN.
I THINK, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANYONE.
SO JUST, JUST REMEMBER ANY, LIKE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA READ THIS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW MM-HMM
AND WHEN IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, YOU GUYS SAID YOU WERE PUT, GONNA PUT IN A DECK PART
I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
INSTEAD OF, IT'S GOTTA BE, IF YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT IN, IT'S GOTTA BE SUPER CLEAR THAT THIS IS JUST MAYBE AN IDEA OR I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PHRASE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SAYING IT THAT WAY, PEOPLE WILL BE HOLLERING IN 10 YEARS SAYING, WHERE'S OUR DECK PARK? IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
IN, IN THEORY, WE'RE A SMALL JURISDICTION FOR SUCH A GIANT PROJECT MM-HMM
UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO I THINK, ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANYONE, SO PLEASE CLARIFY IF I'M INCORRECT, BUT I BELIEVE WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR INDIVIDUALS WHO MORE I BELIEVE WHO ARE SAYING WE CAN FOCUS ON THE EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY AND REMOVE DECK PARK.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, TOPIC TO DISCUSS IS PARKING INCENTIVES.
AND, UM, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY UNDER, UM, THE AREA TALKING ABOUT HOW WE REMAIN COMPETITIVE, UH, FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE SPECIFICALLY FOR DEVELOPERS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ATTRACTING NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, OR SPECIFIC TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
I SHOULD ALSO CLARIFY, UM, SO HERE IS THE DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH, UM, REGARDING THE IDEA OF, UM, PARKING INCENTIVES OR HOW WE SHOULD FURTHER REGULATE PARKING.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, DIDN'T REALLY ACHIEVE CONSENSUS FROM THE FEEDBACK IN THE THREAD.
UM, SO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS AND, AND FEEDBACK ON IT.
SO I CAN ADD A LITTLE, UH, I'M, I'M IN A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS, SO I CAN ADD A LITTLE SALT AND PEPPER TO THIS.
AND I'D SAY THERE'S ANOTHER PAGE TOO.
OH, I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA, THERE'S QUITE, THERE'S QUITE A THREAD.
SO, TO, TO SUM IT UP, SORRY TO JUMP AHEAD, BUT KIND OF ONE OF THE END STATEMENTS IS HOW DO WE REGULATE PARKING? BECAUSE ENFORCEMENT IS REALLY EXPENSIVE, SO WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE SOME POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS? SO, YEAH.
SO, UM, I THINK THE, THE BIG QUESTION WE SEE THAT, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS I WANT TO ADD UP FRONT.
SO LIVING IN MAA, UM, I PARK ON THE FOURTH FLOOR 'CAUSE I LIVE TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S AN ENTIRE UNUSED FOUR OF CARS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARALLEL PARKING KIND OF AROUND, NOT QUITE ON QUORUM ALL THE TIME, BUT AROUND MAA UNITS, TONS OF MAA STICKERS, UM, JUST SITTING ON THOSE SPOTS FOR DAYS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE USE IT AND, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING IN AND OUT ON THE SAME DAY IN MY CAR, SOMETIMES I'LL PARK DOWN THERE TOO.
BUT THE THING IS, THERE'S DOZENS OF SPACES AVAILABLE FOR ALL THOSE CARS.
UM, I WAS TALKING TO THE OWNERS OF DOLCE PARADISO THE OTHER DAY, AND THEY HAVE A TROUBLE WITH PEOPLE PARKING RIGHT IN FRONT OF
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THEIR BUSINESS OVER, RIGHT? THAT'S, UH, BECKER PARK, RIGHT? MM-HMMYEAH, THERE'S LIKE FOUR SPOTS RIGHT THERE THAT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOR BUSINESS PARKING ONLY FOR PEOPLE PICKING UP FOOD OR COMING, BUT NO, MAA PEOPLE PARK THERE TOO BECAUSE THEY CAN, AND THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S KILLING US.
WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE MORE, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT.
UM, AT LEAST HAVE THE POWER TO DESIGNATE SOME SPOTS AS COMMERCIAL ONLY.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING BECAUSE THERE IS PLENTY OF PARKING FOR MAA RESIDENTS, UM, AND WE NEED TO MAKE THE VISIBILITY OF, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO COME HERE BY CAR AND YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN, THERE, THERE, THERE'S SPOTS FOR YOU.
SO I'M, I I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING WORTH PURSUING AND, AND JUST SEE WHAT Y'ALL HAVE TO SAY.
I THINK I, I OBVIOUSLY MADE THE INITIAL COMMENT THERE IN THE THREAD, AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT VIABLE GOING CONCERNS WHEN WE BUILD THESE MIXED USE AREAS.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STUDIES I CAN PROVIDE THEM IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE ABOUT THE WILLINGNESS OF PEOPLE TO WALK FOR SHOPPING.
AND I'VE ALSO TALKED TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THE RIGHT BALANCE, UH, THAT WE ALLOW ENOUGH PARKING CLOSEST TO, TO BUSINESSES BECAUSE PEOPLE SIMPLY WILL NOT WALK THE NUMBER'S ABOUT 26 FEET THEORETICALLY, WHERE PEOPLE WILL STOP, WILL, WILL CONSIDER A DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR.
UM, THAT'S WHY THEY WON'T PARK IN PUBLIC PARKING GARAGES AND WALK, UH, VERY FAR.
AND I THINK THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADDISON CIRCLE AND VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY KIND OF ILLUSTRATE, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN OVER TO THE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, IT'S AN AUTO DESTINATION.
PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO PARK IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL, UH, THAT WE DON'T ELIMINATE TOO MUCH PARKING TO SUPPORT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
SO, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANT TO, TO GET SOME CLARITY.
SO ALAN, YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE OPPOSED TO, UM, POTENTIALLY LIKE, UM, I WANNA, TYLER'S COMMENT ABOUT MAYBE WE HAVE SPECIFIC BUSINESS SPECIFIC, LIKE I'M GONNA SAY TO GO PARKING SPACES, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT, 15 MINUTE PARKING SPACES, SOMETHING SIMILAR.
AND US FINDING A SOLUTION, WHETHER THAT'S THE TOWN OR, UH, SOME PRIVATE ENTITY ENFORCING THAT YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT NOT MEETING THE PARKING REQUIRE OR NOT MEETING THE PARKING DEMAND.
I, I'M, THERE'S PRESSURE IN THIS DOCUMENT AS I READ IT, TO ELIMINATE PARKING.
AND I THINK WHEN WE ELIMINATE PARKING, THAT'S AT STREET LEVEL FOR BUSINESSES AND STREET LEVEL MM-HMM
THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE CHALLENGED BUSINESSES IN THOSE LOCATIONS.
UM, I THINK THAT IS EXEMPLIFIED BY THE DIFFERENCE IN, I'LL SAY, VIBRANCY OF THE BUSINESSES.
IF YOU LOOK AT A PROPERTY LIKE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY VERSUS AN ADDISON CIRCLE, AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGING ISSUE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SUFFICIENT STREET LEVEL PARKING AT THE BUSINESS, NOT JUST A PARKING GARAGE THAT'S 50 OR A HUNDRED FEET AWAY, UH, FOR THOSE BUSINESSES TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
SO A REDUCTION IN PARKING SPACES AROUND, AROUND A LIVING, LIVING SITUATION, WHETHER IT'S FEE SIMPLE OR, OR APARTMENTS AND BUSINESSES.
IF, IF YOU TAKE AWAY PARKING, IT'S GOING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO PARK TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK MM-HMM
SO THEY'RE GOING TO CROWD THE SPACES, LIKE TYLER SAYS, IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANTS OR COFFEE SHOPS OR WHATEVER, IF THEY LOSE PARKING SPOTS AT THEIR RESIDENCE, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
NOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE PARKING ON THE STREET IN THE CIRCLE, THEY MAY HAVE A GARAGE, BUT IT MAY BE FULL OF THEIR STUFF RATHER THAN THEIR CARS, WHICH FORCES THEM TO PARK ON THE, ON THE STREET.
AND I CAN SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE FROM LIVING OVER THERE THAT, THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO.
I THINK HE MAKES SOME VERY GOOD POINTS.
LESS PARKING, CREATES MORE PROBLEMS. YEAH.
AND I, SO I, I THINK FOR, FOR CLARITY HERE, THIS IS ABOUT INCENTIVIZING THE RESIDENTS TO NOT PARK ON THE STREET, WHICH WOULD CREATE MORE BUSINESS LEVEL PARKING.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS KIND OF THE CHANGE.
SO I THINK, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANNA MEN WORDS MINCE WORDS, BUT I THINK, UM, WE'RE ALL GENERALLY SAYING THE SAME THING, BUT DIFFERENT, UM, AVENUES TO GET THERE,
SO I THINK TYLER'S PERSPECTIVE, HE'S TAKING THE, WE NEED TO ENFORCE WHAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND I THINK ALAN, JIMMY, YOU'RE SAYING WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
I THINK THAT'S A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION.
SO, UM, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, WHICH IS,
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AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IS, WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION, WAS LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY INCENTIVIZING? LIKE, LIKE THIS IS AN EXISTING DEAL.THIS IS TO ME MORE, I STILL GO BACK TO THIS AS A MANAGEMENT ISSUE WITH, WELL, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, A LOT OF THE STREET PARKING IN ADDISON CIRCLE IS ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, BUT WE HAVE NOT HISTORICALLY HAD PARKING RESTRICTIONS IN ADDISON'S CIRCLE.
AND IF WE DID WANT TO DO THAT, THAT COMES WITH ENFORCEMENT, THAT COMES WITH ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, IF WE DID THAT, MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE, UM, CHALLENGES THAT RETAIL BUSINESSES HAVE.
SO I, I, I GUESS, UM, IT COULD BE EITHER OR.
IT COULD BE HOW DO WE FIND A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE IF THAT'S A SOLUTION, OR DO WE ENFORCE, IS THAT ANOTHER SOLUTION? I THINK ENFORCING IS THE ONLY WAY
I MEAN, YOU TRY TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY THAT LIVES THERE, WHAT THE TOWN'S GONNA FINANCIALLY INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO START USING THEIR PARKING GARAGE.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS AN OPTION.
AND THERE STILL BECOMES AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WITH THAT.
SO YOU'RE STILL BACK TO AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE NO MATTER HOW YOU GET THERE.
YEAH, I, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHANGING TO BUSINESS ONLY PARKING HOUR, PARKING, 15 MINUTE PARKING, WHATEVER FOR THE STUFF THAT'S DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES.
BUT, BUT I DON'T, I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH HOW YOU GO TO INCENTIVIZE A RESIDENT LIVING THERE TO USE A PARKING GARAGE.
WELL, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE LIKE BEYOND THAT.
IT MIGHT NOT BE A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE.
IT MIGHT JUST BE A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE WORK CLOSELY WITHIN MAA OR OTHER, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL COMPLEXES TO FIND A SOLUTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOOD AT, MADISON IS GETTING CREATIVE, FINDING CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.
I, I, I THINK, I DON'T LIKE THE WORD INCENTIVE IN HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S MORE MY HANGUP.
I, I THINK THAT INSINUATES A LOT OF FINANCIAL.
SO THAT'S MY FIRST PROBLEM WITH THE, IF YOU KEEP THIS IDEA IN HERE, THIS IS JUST TO GENERATE CONVERSATION.
SO THIS IS NOT, I STILL GO BACK TO THESE ARE ALL ENFORCEMENT AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OTHER WAY AROUND IT.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? WHAT'D YOU SAY? BUT NOT CAR TOTE IS AN ENFORCEMENT.
I'M NOT SAYING YOUR LAW, THAT'S MY POINT.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE POLICE REGARDING WHAT THE COST MIGHT BE IF WE, IF YOU TOOK THE ENFORCEMENT ROUTE? I DO KNOW THAT THEY, UM, TOOK A BIT OF A DEEP DIVE IN THAT, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
I DON'T HAVE ALL THE SPECIFICS ON THAT MM-HMM
SO AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE THE CONVERSATION, THE RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS THE RESOURCES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ALLOCATE TO ENFORCE WOULD BE, UM, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
UM, AND AT THE TIME THAT WAS NOT PURSUED.
UM, I MEAN, I LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ALL HAVE NO PARKING.
IT IS VERY, VERY RARE THAT I SEE A PARK CAR PARKED MM-HMM
AND, AND AT SOME POINT THAT IS EITHER BECAUSE THE ENFORCEMENT WAS THERE OR PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE SIGNS.
I MEAN, ONCE AGAIN, I, I THINK ADDISON CIRCLE AREA IN PARTICULAR PROBABLY LACKS SOME SIGNAGE AND SOME RULES.
I MEAN, MORE SO THAN ANYTHING, I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT.
YES, WE COULD CHANGE IT TO ENCOURAGE
WELL, WE USE, AND, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA LIKE COPY AND PASTE THIS EXACT STATEMENT, BUT THIS WAS TO GARNER FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, IF ANYTHING WE NEED TO ADD OR MODIFY WITHIN THE PLAN.
SO IT, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE IS, UM, NOT EVERYONE, THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKE AS GEN ARE GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF ENFORCEMENT OR EXPLORING ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT IN A CREATIVE WAY IN ADDISON CIRCLE OR OTHER AREAS.
UM, THE NEXT TOPIC IS LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS OR LOFA ANOTHER WAY TO, UH, REFER TO THAT AS, SO THIS, UM, ANALYSIS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY TAKES THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE PER ACRE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIGH GENERATING TAX REVENUE PROPERTIES, THOSE ARE ALMOST ALWAYS GONNA BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE NOT HIGH TAX GENERATORS.
AND THAT'S, UM, A PRETTY COMMON THEME THROUGHOUT ANY CITY WITHIN THE US.
UM, AND SO THAT KIND OF CONTINUES TO REPRESENT THAT, UM, THROUGHOUT ADDISON AND, AND OUR ACTUAL PROPERTY.
SO THE DIALOGUE ON THIS PARTICULAR, UM, TOPIC IS QUITE LONG.
UM, AND SO ONCE AGAIN, I'M KINDA GONNA JUMP THROUGH TO THE END QUESTION, UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION, BUT THE QUESTION FROM STAFF IS, SHOULD
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STAFF ADD CLARIFICATION TO A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE CALLING THE EDUCATIONAL CONCEPT SECTION? UM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AN INDEPENDENT, UM, DOCUMENT THAT IS JUST AN EDUCATIONAL DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE LINKED ON OUR PAGE FOR ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT PLANNING, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ADOPTED OR INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT.UM, SHOULD WE INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL EDUCATION RELATING RELATED TO HOW TAX RATES ARE DETERMINED AND THAT SETTING A TAX RATE OR ESTABLISHING A, UM, A TAX RATE IN ANY WAY IS NOT DONE THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS THAT IS A BUDGETING PROCESS THAT'S DONE ANNUALLY.
I THINK, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LOFA IN GENERAL, AND I THINK IT CENTERED AROUND HOW WE CAN SHAPE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO, OR HOW WE CAN USE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SHAPE TAX REVENUE.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SET THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS.
SO SHOULD BE CURIOUS TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.
UM, I HAD RATHER STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THIS THAT I SHARED IN THE, IN THE COMMENTS, WHICH IS, IS EXACTLY THAT, WHICH IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, THE USE OF NET REVENUE PER ACRE.
I THINK AS A FLAWED, UM, MEASUREMENT AND IN ADOPTING IT AND USING IT, IT VERY MUCH SHAPES THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT.
YOU MADE A A A COMMENT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL NOT GENERATING REVENUE RELATIVE TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF CITIES WE COULD TAKE, I'LL TAKE ONE LOCALLY, HIGHLAND PARK THAT GENERATES A LOT OF MONEY MM-HMM
NOW WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO MIMIC THEM.
OR ONE THAT'S USED, UH, BIRKHEAD IN GEORGIA, UH, ANOTHER ONE.
AND, UM, ALSO THE COST ALLOCATION, ALLOCATING COST IN ORDER TO, UM, TO BALANCE THAT, THAT METRICS, UM, IS INAPPROPRIATE.
MOST OF THE COST IS, UH, THE, THE TOWN CONSUMES IS ON, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THAT IS NOT DETERMINED BY, UH, ACREAGE.
IT'S DETERMINED ACTUALLY BY DENSITY IN PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO IT'S A MISALLOCATION OF COST, WHICH TENDS TO SKEW THE DOCUMENT EVEN MORE.
AND I WOULD BE FINE IF WE WANT TO HAVE THAT OUTSIDE OF THE PLAN, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE DRIVING OUR CHOICES, UM, SOLELY, UM, AND CERTAINLY NOT FRONT AND CENTER AS PRESENTED IN THE PLAN.
SO, UM, I THINK MY COMMENTS IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
SO IN REGARDS TO THE, THIS QUESTION AND ADDING CLARITY ON THE METHODOLOGY AND EVERYTHING, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT CLARITY SHOULD BE GOOD.
I BELIEVE THE LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FROM A, A CONCEPTUAL STATE TO KIND OF SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE A LOT OF REVENUES GENERATED VERSUS THE COSTS.
UM, I THINK IT IS A PART OF THE BIG PICTURE.
IT SHOULD BE PROMINENT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY, UM, IT, IT IT'S RELATIVELY EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND, UH, UH, HELPFUL.
AND I THINK ANY MORE CLARITY WE COULD ADD IS A GOOD THING.
IF YOU COULD ADD CLARITY, IT HAS TO BE ACCURATE.
IT HAS TO BE AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF WHAT THE REVENUE AND WHAT THE COSTS ARE, UH, AND HOW THEY'RE BORN.
IT CAN'T, IT CAN'T NOT BE ACCURATE.
UM, INDEED SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER NUMBERS WHEN I TRIED TO, UH, VERIFY THEM, UH, WITH VARIOUS DATABASES DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ENTIRELY SUPPORTED TO.
SO WHICH ONES, UH, PROPERTY VALUATIONS IN SOME CASES WE'RE NOT SUPPORTABLE BY DCA.
SO I, I I THINK THAT, THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE MAKE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY ACCURATE, UM, AND CORRECT.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE AS IT'S CONSTRUCTED NOW THAT IT IS THOUGHTS.
SO, LESLIE, QUESTION ON THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S USED, UM, KIND OF AS A BEST PRACTICE THROUGHOUT COMP PLANS? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WAS USED IN OURS AND AND NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHERS? UM, SO I THINK IT IS, UM, IN MODERN COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, IT'S MORE COMMON.
IT'S, YOU WILL NOT FIND IT WHEN YOU LOOK AT OLDER COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
UM, THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, A MORE MODERN PRACTICE.
I THINK WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THIS, UM, IS A TYPE OF PLANNING THAT IS STRATEGIC AND, UM, FOCUSING ON BEING, I GUESS HAVING A LIKE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A CITY.
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I'M, I DON'T, THE INTENT IS, UM, NOT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.THE INTENT IS NOT TO SAY THAT, UH, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE THEY DON'T PRODUCE A HIGH ENOUGH REVENUE.
THE IDEA IS SHOULD WE ELIMINATE ALL OF OUR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AND PUT ALL SINGLE FAMILY, DOES THAT ACHIEVE THE SAME ABILITY FOR THE TOWN FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT TO PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE? UM, SO I THINK IT'S ALL A BALANCING OR TRADE OFF AND, AND I DON'T EVEN, UM, I DON'T EVEN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT DOING THAT WOULD BE A BAD DECISION.
I JUST THINK THAT'S AN, A BIGGER CONVERSATION OF WHAT SERVICES DO WE ELECT TO NOT CONTINUE OR HOW DO WE ADAPT? UM, AND THAT IS, THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE TEETERING CLOSER TO THE BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, BUT I THINK, UM, WHERE THAT TIES IN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS LAND USE DECISIONS.
SO LET ME, LET ME AGAIN, 'CAUSE I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ON, MAKE ONE MORE POINT ON THIS.
SO IF I, IF I USE THIS METRICS TO EVALUATE THE AIRPORT IN ADDISON, HOW MUCH REV, HOW MUCH REVENUE DOES THE ADDISON AIRPORT GENERATE IN TERMS OF OUR GENERAL FUND? IT IS, UH, WELL, NONE 'CAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT FUND IT ZERO AND IT'S 25% OF OUR LAND, MORE OR LESS.
UH, WELL IT GOES INTO A DIFFERENT FUND, SO NO, NO, BUT, BUT, SO, BUT WE ALLOCATE IN THIS DOCUMENT, WE ALLOCATE COSTS BASED UPON LAND BY ACREAGE.
SO AS AN ACREAGE IT WOULD CONSUME 25%.
THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE METRIC IS FLAWED.
YOU DO NOT ALLOCATE COST ON A BASIS OF LAND IF YOU ARE APPLY IT TO THE AIRPORT AND THE AIRPORT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN AND TURNED INTO A WALKABLE, WELL, THE, THE AIRPORT PROVIDES AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF REVENUE, UM, AND PAYS FOR OTHER SERVICES, BUT IT GOES TO A DIFFERENT FUND.
SO THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T GO TO THE GENERAL FUND.
IT, IT DOESN'T GO TO THE GENERAL FUND AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR MOST OF THE OPERATING BUDGET, VERY LITTLE TO THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE TOWN, JUST AS A MATTER OF COURSE.
I, I, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT DISMISSING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE AIRPORT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S, IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE METRICS DOES NOT PROPERLY MEASURE AND DRIVE.
AND IT'S USED TO FUNDAMENTALLY IN THIS DOCUMENT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE PULLED OUT.
I DO NOT THINK NET REV NET REVENUE PER ACRE SHOULD BE USED AS A WAY OF DRIVING POLICY.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE METRICS.
SO LESLIE, WHAT'S IN YOUR PLANNING TOOLBOX THEN? IF, IF THE LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS IS PULLED OUT, HOW DO YOU STRATEGICALLY PLAN FOR A CITY? WHAT METRICS WOULD YOU USE? UM, I MEAN, SO THIS IS A STRATEGIC DOCUMENT, RIGHT? SO FROM THE USE OF THIS AS, LIKE I SAID, FROM A STRATEGIC PERSPECTIVE OF HOW DO WE PROVIDE, HOW DO WE CONTINUE AS, UM, AS A MUNICIPALITY TO PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, AND EVALUATE THAT WE DO NOT, WELL, I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS ISN'T APPLIED TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, IS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND ADVICE TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER TO POTENTIALLY NOT JEOPARDIZE FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND THEN, AND IN THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S NOT SOLELY ON THE PLANNING TEAM, THAT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, REVENUE IS NOT SOLELY TIED TO PROPERTY TAX.
SO, UM, I CAN'T QUITE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION TOTALLY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION HAS TO SAY.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YEAH, YOU KNOW,
I ASSUME THAT THE, THAT WE, I'M SURE WE HAVE DOC, I'M SURE WE HAVE, UM, SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTING OF REALLY WHAT PUBLIC ER, LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY STUFF IS MM-HMM
LIKE THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FT FOR POLICE AND
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FIRE AND ALL.AND THEY TAKE A LOAN TO PAY FOR THE, THE PHONE TRUCK.
UM, SO THERE ARE THOSE, BUT IT'S 25.
I KNOW, I, WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET TO AS I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I'M NOT NECESSARILY, I THINK THE NUMBERS, THEY MIGHT NOT BE THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS, BUT THEY'D BE IN A SIMILAR PERCENTAGE WISE, IF YOU SAID, TAKE THE AIRPORT COMPLETELY OUT AND THAT COST AND TAKE THE OTHER LIKE NON-PROFIT, LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME AREAS, LIKE SOME SCHOOLS THAT WE COLLECT ZERO FROM AND THAT'S GOT ACREAGE THERE.
TAKE THAT ACREAGE OUT AND MAKE AND DO THE, DO THE CALCULATION JUST WITH WHAT'S LEFT.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A VERY SIMILAR GRAPH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND THEN THAT'S GONNA, THAT'D BE THE MORE ACCURATE WAY TO DO IT.
SO, SO AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE I FEEL STRONGLY ON THIS, SO VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT IN ADDISON IS DECLARED A NET NEGATIVE REVENUE FOR THE TOWN IN THIS PLAN.
SO YOU ARE A NET NEGATIVE REVENUE.
AND I HAD COMMENTS THAT WERE RETURNED TO ME WHEN I POINTED THIS OUT.
HOW I'M A TAKER BECAUSE I'M A NET NEGATIVE REVENUE THAT IS NOT, NOT EVEN MOST RESIDENTS ARE NET NEGATIVE.
UH, A A FAIR FEW ARE, ESPECIALLY OF THE MODERATELY LARGE PLOTS CAN BE CONSIDERED NET NEGATIVE FROM A PROPERTY TAX STANDPOINT.
BUT A LOT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY STOCK HOLDS UP PRETTY WELL AS FAR AS BEING A NET POSITIVE.
THEY, THEY ARE NET NEGATIVE IN THIS ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT APPLIES COST INCORRECTLY.
IT IS FLAWED, IT IS AN INCORRECT ASSESSMENT OF COST IN THIS METRICS AND IT SHOULDN'T BE USED.
WE HAVE LIKE THREE OTHER ITEMS TO GET THROUGH, SO WE'LL REVISIT THAT, GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
SO, UM, LONG STORY SHORT, JUST THIS IS A KIND OF AN OVERARCHING COMMENT, NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY NECESSARILY PAGE OR ITEM, BUT, UM, THIS PROJECT WAS, A LOT OF THIS DATA YOU SEE IN THE PLAN WAS FROM 2023, SOME OF IT, 2024.
UM, AND THAT'S 'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT.
SO A LOT OF THE DATA YOU SEE IS NOW SEEMINGLY OUTDATED.
UM, UPDATING IT IS SUBSTANTIAL IN TERMS OF BOTH COST AND TIME FOR THE PROJECT TIMELINE.
UM, AND SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT WE ALWAYS ANTICIPATED DOING IS THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE A DOCUMENT THAT WE ADOPTED AND THEN DIDN'T TOUCH FOR 20 YEARS, BUT THAT WE ADOPTED AND THEN DID A DEMOGRAPHIC UPDATE EVERY TWO YEARS MAYBE.
SO QUESTION TO POSE TO YOU ALL, UM, DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS A VIABLE USE OF OUR STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES TO, UM, UPDATE THIS PAGE FOR SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION? I GUESS SUPPLEMENTAL EDUCATIONAL CONCEPTS? DARREN'S COMMENT THAT THE, THE DATA WAS 18 MONTHS OLD.
I MEAN THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, YEAH, WELL SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS, UH, TAX REVENUE.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU GET IT, IT'S ALREADY, IT'S IT'S SEEMINGLY OUTDATED, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
SO IT WOULD ALWAYS BE IN THE BALLPARK OF EIGHT, SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS OLD I GUESS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU UPDATE IT.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT LIKE A YEAR OLD, BUT THAT, THAT TIMELINE'S ALWAYS MOVING 'CAUSE YOU GOT PEOPLE PROTESTING AND THAT, THAT NUMBER REALLY NEVER GETS FINALIZED.
SO UNTIL YEARS POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD.
SO CAN YOU NOT JUST FOOTNOTE WHAT THIS DATA IS OF A DATE WITH MAYBE AN EXPLANATION OF, OF WHY, WHY
ARE THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FOR ANY OF THESE AREAS THAT WOULD CAUSE LIKE A MAJOR SHIFT YEAR? NOT, NOT ANY REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS.
I MEAN RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF, UM, REDEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES BUILT ON THE PARKWAY AND MOST OF THOSE ARE TENANT FINISHED OUT, SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING A DRASTIC SHIFT IN THEIR APPRAISED VALUE.
SO I'D AGREE THAT JUST GO AHEAD AND REFERENCE THE YEAR THAT IT WAS TAKEN AND THAT, SO THAT IT, IT'S CLEAR THAT IT, THIS WAS WHERE THE LINE WAS DRAWN, OTHERWISE YOU'RE HAVING TO UPDATE IT MINUTE BY MINUTE AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
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ALRIGHT.UM, NEXT, UM, PARKING, MORE PARKING
UM, SO THIS, IT KIND OF PLAYS OFF OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD, UM, A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT'S IN MY DEPARTMENT, SOMETHING WE COORDINATE FREQUENTLY WITH, UM, SOME FEEDBACK WE GOT, ONCE AGAIN DIDN'T RECEIVE, UH, KIND OF CONSENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON IS PURSUING ABANDONED VEHICLES AROUND TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS, THIS DOESN'T REALLY BELONG IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK IT'S AN EFFORT TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF ABANDONED VEHICLES THAT SHOW UP IN ADDISON CIRCLE, UM, IN THE PUBLIC STREET PARKING,
YEAH, I DON'T, I MEAN THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMP PLAN, BUT IT'S AN, I MEAN IT'S REALLY AN, I GET WHY PEOPLE BROUGHT IT UP, BUT IT'S AN, IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT THING AND MY MY ANSWER IS YES.
GET 'EM
WE WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE WITH PEOPLE LIKE PARKING, BIG SEMIS IN PARKING LOTS AT TARGET AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS WE FINALLY PUT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATES PEOPLE PARKING, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN OUR PARKING LOTS AROUND TOWN.
SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SIX MONTHS
SO, BUT I DON'T THINK IT BELONGS, I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S A PART OF THIS.
NO, WE GET PLAN, WE GET A LOT OF, UM, KIND OF CATCHALL COMMENTS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE LINK.
'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S COMPREHENSIVE, IT'S TOWN WIDE, SO.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM.
UM, I JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
SO, UM, THEN I WANNA KIND OF OPEN IT UP FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, WE HAVE SOMETHING BASED UPON THE, WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR.
WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND WORK ON, UM, AND POTENTIALLY MAKE SOME EDITS TO THE DOCUMENT.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS IN THEO LINK THAT WAS SENT OUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TO YOU ALL FOR REVIEW.
UM, PLEASE PROVIDE COMMENTS IN THERE IF YOU ALL HAVE THOSE.
UM, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY LEAVE IT OPEN TILL LATER THIS WEEK.
IF YOU NEED TIME, LET ME KNOW PLEASE.
UM, AND THEN THE INTENT IS TO COME BACK THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS OCTOBER 21ST TO DISCUSS FURTHER AND POTENTIALLY ACHIEVE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER REVIEW IN BETWEEN THERE.
IT'LL BE SIMILAR STYLE, SO WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, RED LINE.
SO YOU'LL SEE ANY CHANGES WE MADE, UM, THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, BUT THAT, UM, CONCLUDES OUR STAFF'S QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS AND POTENTIALLY MODIFY WITHIN THE DOCUMENT? SO THE, DID YOU GET DIRECTION ON THE LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS OR IS THAT A REVISIT LATER THING? I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE CONSENSUS WAS, SO I DON'T THINK WE REALLY ACHIEVED THAT'S FINE.
UM, I THINK THAT I NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH, UM, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR ANY MORE FEEDBACK ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC.
I JUST, I, MY IMPRESSION WAS THERE WAS THERE WAS NO DIRECTION AND I'M COOL WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK ONE OTHER FEEDBACK THAT I'D GET, UM, I DID NOT SEE VERY MUCH REFERENCE TO THE 2016 HOUSING POLICY THAT WE ADOPTED.
AND I SAW A RELUCTANCE TO TAKE ON THE FEE SIMPLE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN FEE SIMPLE AND DENSITY, UM MM-HMM
I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE DENSITY ASPECT, WHICH THEY'LL HAVE TO BE SUFFICIENT DENSITY, BUT THAT WE NEED A GREATER EMPHASIS ON A DESIRABILITY FOR FEE SIMPLE FOR A GREATER OWNERSHIP PERCENTAGE.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF STUDIES, SOME THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL, UM, THAT SHOW THAT THE GROWTH OF RENTAL PROPERTY IN AND AROUND ADDISON IS, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.
AND I THINK THERE ARE RISKS OF OVERBUILDING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.
WE ADOPTED THAT 2016 PLAN AND I DID NOT SEE IT.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE IT KIND OF EMPHASIZED VERY MUCH IN THE PLAN.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONE OTHER MAJOR FEEDBACK.
I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE DISCUSSION OF, CAN WE PROMOTE MORE FEE SIMPLE, UH, HOMES AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO AN ANALYSIS BEYOND ADDISON.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT FARMER'S BRANCH.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DALLAS AND, UM, WHAT WE HAVE AT PEPPER SQUARE AT THE INTERNATIONAL PARK, THAT WE ARE GONNA ADD A LOT OF
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RENTAL.AND, UM, AGAIN, I WANT TO DISTINGUISH THAT FROM DENSITY.
UM, SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE DENSITY IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
UH, BUT, UH, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES AROUND COINCIDENT, UH, REVENUE STREAMS. SO ALL THAT RESIDENTIAL, UH, COUNTERACTS BECAUSE IT IS REVALUED ON A DIFFERENT ASSESSMENT BASIS THAN OUR COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE DONE DIFFERENTLY AND WE RELY SO MUCH ON COMMERCIAL.
I ALSO THINK IT PRESENTS A REVENUE RISK FOR US IN A DOWNTURN, UM, WITH SO MUCH OF OUR REVENUE BEING ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE SAME, UH, IF, IF YOU WILL, COINCIDENT PATTERN OF, OF, UM, REVENUE RAISING.
COMMENTS, FEEDBACK? ANYONE ELSE? UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, SO I DON'T WANNA BELABOR DENISE, IF WE'RE READY TO GET IN.
UH, WE REMOVED, UH, THE WORD WALKABILITY A COUPLE TIMES IN, IN FAVOR OF THE WORD CONNECTIVITY.
WHAT DOES CONNECTIVITY MEAN? SO I THINK, UM, CONNECTIVITY IS CAN IS BROADER MM-HMM
UM, IT CAN MEAN LIKE, I THINK SO FROM, AND THIS WAS A LOT OF THAT WAS DONE IN, UM, COMBINATION WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT'S ALSO UNDERWAY.
SO SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, AND I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE ARE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING.
AND SO SOMETIMES IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE DO MOVE VERY QUICKLY IN ADDISON TO, UM, BALANCE HOW WE INCORPORATE OTHER PROJECTS AND IT KIND OF HOW THEY SHAPE EACH OTHER AND SO FORTH.
SO WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH, UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED THAT THE WAS THE FIRST PRESENTATION WAS GIVEN TO COUNCIL LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS LAST A WEEK AGO FROM TODAY.
UM, AND THEY'RE REALLY WORKING ON A MULTIMODAL TOOLBOX THAT IS NOT JUST A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED OPPORTUNITY, BUT MULTIMODAL.
SO THAT COULD BE OBVIOUSLY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, IT'S A MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BUT ALSO HOW DOES A PEDESTRIAN GET AROUND? HOW DOES A CYCLIST GET AROUND? HOW DO OTHER FORMS OF MODES OF TRANSPORTATION NAVIGATE? UM, AND SO I THINK THAT THE TRANSITION OF, YES, WE'RE FOCUSING ON PEDESTRIANS AND WALKABILITY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.
THAT WAS KIND OF THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT.
MY, MY CONCERN THERE IS, UH, YOU LOSE THAT SPECIFICITY AND THEN YEARS DOWN THE LINE IT COULD BE INTERPRETED A DIFFERENT WAY.
UM, WHEREAS WALKABILITY WAS VERY CLEAR, IT WAS GENERALLY ENDORSED BY THE CPAC OF LIKE, HEY, WE LIKE THIS.
WE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED IT WITH THE WALKABILITY MENTIONS.
WE SPENT ABOUT TWO YEARS ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT COUNTS FOR SOMETHING.
I UNDERSTAND SOFTENING THE LANGUAGE HERE AND THERE.
UM, AND IT IS STILL MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENT MM-HMM
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA THROW A BIG FIT OVER IT, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH BEING TOO LOOSE BECAUSE POLICY CAN BE INTERPRETED VERY, UM, DIFFERENTLY, UM, DEPENDING ON THINGS.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WALKABILITY WAS A CORE PART OF THE PLAN THAT WE APPROVED IN CPAC AND WHAT I STILL SUPPORT AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE SUPPORTED.
UM, IF YOU, TYLER, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY AREAS WHERE YOU THINK IT'S, IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, WE'LL DO THIS AS WELL.
BUT IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, IF THERE'S ANY AREAS SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU OH, SURE.
I'D BE TO LIKE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MAKE A COMMENT SO WE CAN SEE IT.
BE HAPPY TO FURTHER DEFINE AND YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE? I'M HERE, SO I'M HERE FOR, OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING? OKAY.
WITH THAT, WE'LL OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE WORK SESSION, UM, AND REGATHER BACK FOR THE REGULAR MEETING, UM, IN FIVE MINUTES.