* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Call Meeting to Order and Announce that a Quorum is Present.] [00:00:03] CAN YOU FIND IT? NO. OH, NO. OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. IT IS 5:31 PM AND WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING WITH THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025. AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT WITH SIX MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING. AND WE SHOULD HAVE OUR, UH, FINAL MEMBER JOINING US A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE EVENING. SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO. CITIZEN COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR OUR, FOR THREE MINUTES. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE. ITEM NUMBER TWO, MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER [3. Council Member Clarification Requests Regarding Consent Agenda Items. ] THREE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARIFICATION. REQUEST REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED FROM COUNSEL ON CONSENT ITEMS? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. AND, UH, ITEM THREE A COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. UH, WHEN THE COUNCIL SENDS QUESTIONS TO STAFF REGARDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, STAFF PREPARES THE DOCUMENT WITH THE RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS, PUTS 'EM ALL INTO ONE DOCUMENT AND SENDS THOSE OUT TO THE COUNCIL. AND THAT SAME DOCUMENT IS UPLOADED TO THE, TO THE TOWN WEBSITE. SO IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANTS TO GO AND, UH, PULL UP THE AGENDA, THERE'LL BE A LINK TO THAT DOCUMENT, SO YOU'LL SEE THE SAME INFORMATION THE COUNCIL SEEN ON THAT. [4. Closed Meeting. The Addison City Council will enter a Closed Meeting pursuant to Texas Government Code Sections 551-071 through 090 to discuss the following item(s):] ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CLOSED MEETING. THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL WILL ENTER A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 5 51 DASH 71 9 TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. FOUR A PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0 7 1. SECTION ONE A PENDING LITIGATION BUDGET, SUITES OF AMERICA VERSUS TOWN OF ADDISON, CAUSE NUMBER DC ONE NINE DASH 9 6 3 190. FIRST JUDICIAL DISTRICT, DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT. AND WHILE WE ARE IN ENCLOSED SESSION, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, UH, WE'VE GOT A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA IN OUR REGULAR MEETING ITEM SIX D. UH, WE WILL, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, REGARDING THE QIP ITEM ON THE, ON THE, UH, TOD, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, UH, BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, UH, IN THE CLOSED SESSION AS WELL. SO WE'LL HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR THE CLOSED SESSION, AND IT IS 5 33 AND WE'LL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AT THIS TIME. [5. Open Meeting. In accordance with Texas Government Code Chapter 551, the Addison City Council will reconvene in an Open Meeting to consider action, if any, on the matters discussed in the Closed Meeting.] OKAY. IT IS 6 32 AND COUNSEL WILL RECONVENE FROM THE CLOSED SESSION. AND THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN FROM THE CLOSED SESSION. WE'LL MOVE ON INTO [a. Present and discuss the Work Session public comment period at City Council Meetings.] OUR, THE, UH, THE OPEN MEETING, OUR WORK SESSION REPORTS. THE FIRST ITEM IS SIX A PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE WORK SESSION, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY COUNCIL MEMBER WILLISON, IS THAT RIGHT? AND, AND, UH, FREE AND, UH, WE'LL, THERE'S NO STAFF PRESENTATION, SO WE'LL LET YOU, UH, RUN WITH THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, YEAH, I, I ASKED A COUNCIL MEMBER FREE TO CO-SPONSOR THIS ITEM. AND THE REASON I DID IS, UM, WE'VE GOT TWO, TWO ITEMS ON EACH AGENDA, UH, FOR, UM, PUBLIC INPUT. AND, AND THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE WITH THIS WAS HIGHLIGHTED THE MOST WHEN WE HAD A WORK SESSION ITEM, UH, REGARDING, UH, QUORUM GRAPH AND BYLINES AND SO FORTH. AND PRETTY, PRETTY, UH, PRETTY HEAVY ITEM, HEAVY ITEM. AND WE, WE, AT PRESENT, WE DON'T ALLOW INPUT FOR ANY WORK SESSION ON THIS. IT, IT SPECIFIES, IF WE LOOK AT THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, IT SPECIFIES IT'S JUST PUBLIC INPUT FOR ITS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER THREE, WE'VE GOT, AND DURING THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION WHERE PEOPLE CAN COMMENT BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO, UM, WE HAD, WE HAD SOME RESIDENTS THAT WANTED TO SHARE THEIR INPUT AT THE MEETING, UM, ABOUT A WORK SESSION ITEM. VERY BIG IMPORTANT, A WORK SESSION ITEM. THEY COULD NOT, UM, AND IT WAS KIND OF WEIRD. I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. THEY ACTUALLY, SOME OF 'EM DID AFTERWARDS. UM, AND, AND IT WAS KIND OF AFTER THE FACT, AFTER THE COUNSELOR COULD BE MUCH PROVIDED GUIDANCE. SO WHAT, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IF WE CAN DO THIS LEGALLY, IS CAN WE JUST HAVE ONE, UM, CITIZEN COMMENT SECTION AND JUST DO IT LIKE WE DO FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO RIGHT NOW, AND ELIMINATE [00:05:02] THE REDUNDANCY FOR HAVING A SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, YOU THINK TO HAVE IT AT WHAT POINT IN THE, IN THE MEETING ITEM NUMBER TWO, LIKE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, YOU, YOU ON THE WORK SESSION ITEM OR THE REGULAR MEETING, JUST ONE, RIGHT? RIGHT. AT THE WORK SESSION, IF WE, ASSUMING WE HAVE A WORK SESSION, JUST GIVE 'EM ONE, ONE PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY AND THEY CAN SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S ON THE AGENDA OR NOT. YEAH. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T COME TO THE WORK SESSION, SO YOU ACTUALLY COME A REGULAR MEETING. SO THE PUBLIC COMMENT HAS TO BE DURING THE REGULAR MEETING. SO THE PART, THE THING THAT WE HAVE AT IN THE WORK SESSION, THAT'S JUST AN ADD-ON, THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU CAN OR CANNOT HAVE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE REGULAR SESSION HELPS. THAT HELPS. SO, SO KNOWING THAT, WHAT I'M ASKING IS ON ITEM ITEM TWO, WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE OFFER THEIR PUBLIC INPUT, IT'S, IT'S LIMITED IF YOU READ IT, CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONLY. SO THEY CAN'T COMMENT ON A WORK SESSION ITEM OR THEY CAN'T COMMENT ON WHATEVER THOUGHT THEY CARE TO CONVEY TO US. UM, AND DIFFERENT FOLKS HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES. SOME WOULD LIKE TO COME, UH, EARLY AND EARLY FOR THEM IS IS 5 30, 6 O'CLOCK, FIVE O'CLOCK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, AND, AND FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT WANT TO DO THAT, ALL, ALL I'M SAYING IS LET'S NOT LIMIT IT TO JUST CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THAT'S MY, THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S MY ANSWER. HOWARD, DID YOU I, OKAY. I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS FOR TWO. I NEVER THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO JUST REPLACE THE, THE, THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. UH, WHEN THE, UM, CITIZENS CAN COMMENT, I THOUGHT THE PROBLEM WAS WE, WE HAD THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM COMMENTS, AND THEN AFTERWARDS WE WERE DISCUSSING IN THAT PARTICULAR MEETING WAS THE BIKE ROUND. AND SO, AND WE DISCUSSED AND, AND DAVID WANTED DIRECTION, AND THEN WE GAVE HIM DIRECTION. SO THEN HE HAD THE FOUR PEOPLE. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE SUBJECT IS, THAT ONE HAPPENED TO BE BY, THEN WE GO INTO THE MEETING AND PEOPLE THAT HAD COME TO THE, THE WORK SESSION DIDN'T GET TO HAVE INPUT BEFORE WE GAVE DIRECTION, AND WE NOW HAVE GIVEN DIRECTION AND THEN THEY COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING. AND IF THEIR INPUT WOULD'VE INFLUENCED MAYBE SOMEBODY'S DECISION ABOUT THAT DIRECTION, WE MIGHT HAVE GIVEN DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LET THE CITIZENS COMMENT BEFORE WE GET DIRECTION ON AN ITEM IF THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION WITH YOU. SO THAT'S WHY I AGREE TO SPONSOR. CAN I GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT FROM YOU ON THAT? SO IF WE'RE GIVEN DIRECTION, IT'S NOT GONNA BE DIRECTION FOR AN ITEM THAT'S ON THE, THE AGENDA THAT NIGHT FOR THE REGULAR MEETING, IT WOULD BE FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S ON, IT'S, IT IS, IT'S ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM . SO IF PEOPLE CAME THAT WANTED TO SAY THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THE BIKE LANES OR THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE BIKE LANES, THEY DON'T GET TO TELL US UNTIL AFTER WE'VE GIVEN DIRECTION. AND IF WE COULD HAVE THEIR COMMENTS BEFORE THE WORK SESSION ITEM, IF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE WORK SESSION ITEM, THAT MIGHT HELP US IN GIVING DIRECTION. SO, SO YEAH. SO I I, WHEN I GET YOUR, THE, THE IDEA OF HAVING PEOPLE HAVE AS MUCH VOICE AS THEY, AS WE CAN, AS AS, AS THEY CAN HAVE, MY CONCERN ABOUT DOING IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WHEN WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ITEM, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT. SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION IS. THEY, THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE, UH, PRESENTATION FROM STAFF, HEARD ANY DISCUSSION, DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THE COUNCIL IS ON THAT. SO IT, TO ME, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO COMMENT, UH, IN, HAVE MAKE INFORMED COMMENTS IF THEY HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD THE DISCUSSION OR SEEN THE PRESENTATION YET. AND SO THE WAY I SEE YOU LAY OUT, YOU HAVE A WORK SESSION ON, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE ALL HEARING ABOUT IT, SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, HEARING THE PRESENTATIONS THEN, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES UP LATER ON, WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR, UH, SOMEBODY TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT IT. OR EVEN IF THEY HAVE A WORK SESSION AND THEY, AND THEY, AND THEY HEAR EVERYTHING AND THEY HEAR THE DIRECTION. WELL, 20 MINUTES LATER IN THE REGULAR MEETING, THEY COULD COMMENT ON WHAT THEY JUST HEARD. IT JUST DOESN'T CHANGE THE DIRECTION, BUT IT'S DIRECTION. IT'S NOT A, ABOUT, WE, I, I HAVE FOUND OURSELVES IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE'VE HAD A WORK SESSION AND DAVID SAID, GREAT, THANK YOU FOR THE DIRECTION. AND THAT ENDS UP, YOU KNOW, FORMING, YOU KNOW, A DIRECTION WE GO. AND IT ENDS UP, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MEETINGS LATER ON THE AGENDA. AND I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL, LIKE THE WATER TOWER THEATER WE HAD, WE HAD PROBABLY 10 MEMBERS OR JUST 10 SUPPORTERS AND THEY DIDN'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT ALL. AND, AND PROBABLY THE BIKE LANES IS ANOTHER ONE JUST TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE FOR AND AGAINST [00:10:01] ON THAT ONE. AND IT STARTED OFF AS A WORK, A WORK AGENDA ITEM. AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HEAR OR PEOPLE FEEL, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, WE DON'T, WE HARDLY EVER GET ANY THAT COME TO SPEAK TO THE INITIAL PUBLIC INPUT. MM-HMM. INPUT. AND MAYBE IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S LIMITED TO CONSENT AGENDA. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I THINK THE ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE ONES WHO ARE HIGHLY ENGAGED AND ACTUALLY DO READ ALL OF THE INFORMATION JUST AS WE DO BEFORE, BEFORE THE CONVERSATION. BUT, WELL, AND, AND, AND ALSO, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, FOLKS WILL SOMETIMES SHOW UP WITH AN OPINION ALREADY FORMED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T HEARD THE DISCUSSION YET. AND SO I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THEY COMMENT ON IT. THEY COULD COMMENT AGAIN IN A REGULAR MEETING RIGHT AFTER, BASED ON WHAT THEY JUST HEARD. BUT IF THEY HAVEN'T HEARD THE DISCUSSION YET, IT'S A LITTLE HARD FOR ME, FOR ME TO SEE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE INFORMED, UH, HAVE AN INFORMED OPINION BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HEARD THE DISCUSSION YET. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH IT. AND ON AND ON TOP OF IT. NOT, NOT THAT IT, NOT THAT IT'S EVERYTHING, BUT IT CAN ADD A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME DEPENDING ON THE, ON THE, UH, ON THE ITEM TO THAT WORK SESSION, WHICH WE ALREADY STRUGGLED TO GET FROM OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. AS IT IS, IT'S A CONSIDERATION. MAY I JUST SAY WHY I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED IT. IT WOULD BE ODD THAT THE PUBLIC IS COMMONLY BEFORE WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, RIGHT, IN THE BY CLAIM ISSUE, MY VERY FIRST MEETING, THE WORK SESSION WAS ON THE BIKE LANE. SEVERAL MONTHS LATER, WE HAD A COUNCIL MEETING ON THE BIKE LANE, THEN WE HAD ANOTHER WORK SESSION ON THE BIKE LANE. AND BY THEN, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE HEARD, BECAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS ISSUE WITH THE BIKE LANES. I THINK SOME OF THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE IN EVERY ISSUE. YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE THEATER, THE SAME THING. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ENGAGED THAT KNOW ABOUT THE THEATER THAT MIGHT HAVE HAD IN PART HELP US. I, I, I DON'T KNOW. I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT COULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME. SO IF IT DOES, THEN WE MIGHT DECIDE THIS ISN'T A GOOD IDEA, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE AND MAKE COMMENTS PRO WORK ON IT DOESN'T MATTER. I JUST THINK IT'S NICE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS AHEAD OF OUR DISCUSSION. IF, IF IT'S NOT A BRAND NEW TOPIC THAT NOBODY'S HEARD ABOUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DIFFERENTIATE. I JUST THINK IN THOSE, IN THOSE CASES, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD. YEAH. YES, OF COURSE. WOULD YOUR, A MOTION WITH YOUR IDEA, IS IT JUST SELECTING SPEAK ON THINGS THAT IS LISTED ON THE CURRENT WORK SESSION AGENDA OR ANYTHING THAT'S ON THEIR MIND? ANYTHING? I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T WANNA LIMIT THEIR, I, I AGREE. UM, AND TO HOWARD'S POINT, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE WORK SESSION THAT WHEN WE GIVE DIRECTION, THAT'S A DECISION THAT'S MADE AND IT GOES FORWARD AND NOTHING EVER IS SAID ABOUT IT AGAIN. SO I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF LETTING THE PUBLIC SPEAK THEIR MIND AND GET IT OUT. UH, THE CAVEAT THAT I WOULD'VE FOR THAT IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME FORM OF DECORUM ENFORCED, AND IT SHOULD BE, UH, COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO COUNCIL, NOT TO AN INDIVIDUAL. UH, I DON'T THINK THOSE COMMENTS EITHER IN A WORKS SESSION OR IN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING SHOULD BE TO CALL AN INDIVIDUAL OUT, WHOEVER IT BE ON THE COUNCIL. IF THEY HAVE A CONCERN, I AM HERE ALL THAT TO LISTEN TO RESIDENTS. THAT THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF OUR DEMOCRACY. EVERYBODY GETS TO TALK. THEY DON'T GET TO COME IN HERE AND JUST EAT SOMEBODY OUT 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE US. SO IF WE HAVE A DECORUM THAT WE CAN ENFORCE, I AM FORTING ANYONE SPEAK ANYTIME. I ALSO AGREE WITH ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS, UH, THAT WE HAD, IT WAS EITHER ONE OR TWO MEETINGS AGO. THAT THREE MINUTES IS JUST NOT SUFFICIENT. A LOT OF TIMES I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT EXPANDED TO FIVE MINUTES. I WANNA HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY FOR OUR COMMENT. SO THE DECORUM OF, OF SPEAKING IS, IS LARGE ON MY MIND. I'D LIKE TO SEE NUMBER TWO, CHANGE TO CONSENT AND WORK WORKSTATION ITEMS. AND IN INVARIABLY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND WE DON'T GIVE 'EM TOO MANY GUARDRAILS, BUT THE INTENT IS TO TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO ITEMS AT THAT TIME. AND I, I LIKE ADDING THAT SESSION, UH, [00:15:01] FEEDBACK AS WELL. AND, UM, THEN THE REGULAR, THE SECOND ONE DURING THE PUBLIC WEEK, OH, THE REGULAR, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. ALSO, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGING TIME LIMITS AS AS WELL NECESSARILY. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. SO JUST TO POINT ON THAT, AS FAR AS KIND OF THE, ANY KIND OF ANYTHING WE WANT DO FOR WHAT FOLKS CAN SAY, ANY KIND OF THE QUORUM THEY NEED TO KEEP OR THE TIME LIMIT, I WOULD SAY IF, IF THAT'S A CONVERSATION COUNSEL WANTS TO HAVE, OR AT LEAST A COUPLE WANT TO HAVE, WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURE. THAT'S A DOCUMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL HASN'T LOOKED AT YET. YOU CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP. THAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE RULES AND PROCEDURE, MAKE ANY CHANGES. WE WOULD BRING THOSE FORWARD. SO IF WE GET THAT FEEDBACK NOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY FLIP THAT UNDER FUTURE WORK SESSION. UM, NOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BIGGER CONVERSATION, JUST TO SAY THAT WOULD BE THE ROUTE WE'D GO. OKAY. I, THAT'D BE OPEN TO HAVING THAT WORK SESSION MEETING REGARDING THAT. BUT, AND, AND I LIKE LIMITING EXACTLY WHAT WE PUT ON THE AGENDA TO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE CONCLUDING. JIM, DAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, SIR? YEAH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY. UH, WELCOME FROM LUBBOCK. UM, SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE, ONE, WE ALWAYS ENFORCE DECORUM. SO NOT ALWAYS DO THE CITIZENS HAVE DECORUM. SO I KNOW THAT, UH, VALENCIA HAS HAD TO MAKE COMMENT BEFORE MAYOR BRUCE, YOU'VE HAD TO MAKE COMMENT BEFORE TO SORT OF KEEP THINGS IN CHECK. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALSO THAT THE CITIZENS THAT WANNA COME AND SPEAK DURING A WORK SESSION ITEM HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK DURING WORK SESSION ITEMS IF COUNSEL SO CHOOSES. SO MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE, UM, NOT ALLOWING SOMEONE TO SPEAK, BUT IN THE SAME SENTENCE, IN THE SAME BREATH, THE THREE MINUTES FOR ME, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO TAKE IT OUT TO A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. AND FIVE MINUTES, TO ME DOESN'T SEEM TOO EXHAUSTING, BUT THAT'S UP FOR CONSIDERATION. WE HAVE HAD, UH, PEOPLE SPEAK ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE, DURING THIS TIME. AND WE'VE NOT, WE'VE NOT SHUT ANYBODY DOWN FOR THAT. IT'S HAPPENED ONCE OR TWICE THAT I RECALL. UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GENERALLY PRETTY FLEXIBLE WITH, WITH THAT JUST FAR AS WHAT THE TOPIC IS. UM, SHOULD WE TAKE THIS WORDING OUT THEN? SAY AGAIN? SHOULD WE TAKE THIS WORDING OUT OF, WE PUT A, PUT OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM TOGETHER. SHOULD WE THEN TAKE THE WORDING OUT THAT SAYS ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY CONSENT OR WORK SESSION. AT LEAST TRY TO KEEP A FOCUS THERE. I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER TIME PLACE FOR THE REST OF IT TO WORK SESSION. I WOULD, YEAH, THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. YEAH, I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL. SORRY, I MUTED. I THINK IF THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE WORK SESSION, I, THAT OUGHT TO BE IN . THERE IS A PROCESS THERE. THIS SHOULD JUST BE CONSENT AGENDA, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION ITEMS. THAT'S ALL I, ALRIGHT. AND WE, WE CAN DISCUSS THE OTHER WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT, YEAH, WE GOT, WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE AND WE'LL BRING BACK A SESSION TO TALK PROCEDURE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. CAN I MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT? I AGREE WITH YOU WITH GIVING MORE TIME, BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS BUT YOU LIMITED THEM TO TWO MINUTES WHEN WE HAD A BUNCH, MAYBE WE HAVE SOME KIND OF SCALE. WE HAVE THREE OR LESS FIVE MINUTES. IF WE HAVE FOUR TO SIX MINUTES, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT MATH EVERY TIME. HOW ABOUT THIS? I'LL E UM, AFTER THE MEETING I'LL EMAIL OUT THE, EMAIL OUT THE CURRENT RULES AND PROCEDURE TO EVERYBODY SO YOU CAN SEE 'EM AND THINK ABOUT 'EM BEFORE THE WORKS. OTHER COMMENTS, BUT IT'LL COME IN OUR NEXT SESSION. OKAY, GOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, MARLON, YOU GUYS GOOD ON THAT? ANYTHING ELSE? YES, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, VERY GOOD. [b. Present and discuss the 2025 Draft Master Transportation Plan to include updates from the 2016 Master Transportation Plan, improved roadway cross-sections, incorporation of the Advance Addison 2050, pedestrian toolbox, and revised speed limits, public comments received along with an overview of upcoming project recommendations as prepared by Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. in coordination with Town staff.] ITEM SIX B, PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE 2025 DRAFT MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN TO INCLUDE UPDATES FROM THE 2016 MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, IMPROVED ROADWAY CROSS SECTIONS, INCORPORATION OF THE ADVANCED ADDISON 2050 PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX AND REVISED SPEED LIMITS PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED, ALONG WITH AN OVERVIEW OF UPCOMING PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS AS PREPARED BY KIMLEY HORN AND ASSOCIATES, INC. IN COORDINATION WITH TOWN STAFF. BECKY. AWESOME. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNSEL, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. I'LL BE HERE, UM, TO ASSIST CHRISTIAN AS HE NEEDS IT, BUT I WANNA TAKE THE TIME TO INTRODUCE CHRISTIAN DELUCA. HE'S WITH KIMBERLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES AND HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN LEADING THE EFFORT, UH, TO COMPLETE THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SLIDES TONIGHT, SO WE'LL GO AS FAST AS WE CAN THROUGH THE SLIDES. UM, BUT HAPPY TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION AS IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS. SO A LOT OF HARD WORK. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTIAN. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, LIKE BECKY SAID, IT'S BEEN [00:20:01] MONTHS OF WORK. IT'S A 200 PAGE REPORT THAT WE'RE BOILING DOWN TO 30 SLIDES HERE. SO BEAR WITH ME. WE'RE GONNA HIT ALL THE MAIN POINTS OF THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN UPDATE AS I GO ALONG. UM, FIRST BEING, WHAT IS THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN? WELL, IT'S ADDISON'S ROADMAP TO MAKING IT SAFER, EASIER, AND MORE ENJOYABLE TO GET AROUND THE GUYS FUTURE PROJECTS TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY'S GROWTH, CONNECT PEOPLE TO JOBS DESTINATIONS, AND KEEP ADDISON VIBRANT, WELCOMING PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND VISIT THIS. HERE YOU GO. YOU CAN DO THIS. OH, I CAN DO IT. THANK YOU. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. THAT EASIER. A LOT EASIER. . SO THE HISTORY OF THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN ADDISON GOES BACK TO 1998. IN 1998, IT WAS FOCUSED PREDOMINANTLY ON CAPACITY AND CONNECTIVITY. THAT WOULD BE YOUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN. UM, IN 2016, IT WAS THE FIRST UPDATE TO THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT INTRODUCED NEW CONCEPTS LIKE COMPLETE STREETS. IT LOOKED AT PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES AND SIDEWALKS AND HAD A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH THAN THE ORIGINAL MASTER FAIR REPAIR PLANT. WITH THIS UPDATE, WE'RE TAKING THAT A, A STEP FORWARD. UM, WE'RE TAKING THE ADVANCED ADDISON RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE CONTEXT SENSITIVE CROSS-SECTIONS. UH, WE'VE INCLUDED A PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX. UM, WE'VE INCLUDED A TRAFFIC CALLING TOOLBOX AND WE'VE INCLUDED A SAFETY COMPONENT. TO PLAN A PLAN LIKE THIS TAKES A LOT OF COORDINATION. UH, WE'VE INTEGRATED ALL THE PREVIOUS PLANNING EFFORTS, INCLUDING THE 2021 CITYWIDE TRAILS MASTER PLAN, SMALL AREA PLANS, THE UDC UPDATE THAT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS YEAR. WE'VE, UH, BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. UH, WE'VE TAKEN THE GUIDANCE FROM ADVANCED ADDISON AND, AND INGRAINED THAT INTO THE REPORT. UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT MULTIMODAL NETWORK PLANNING, TRANSIT COORDINATION. THERE'S A LOT OF DATA AND ANALYSIS AND MAPPING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT THAT YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES. AND THEN WE'VE COLLABORATED WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, PARKS, UM, AND PLANNING. THE MAIN, UH, PLAN, PREVIOUS PLANNING EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN INTEGRATED, UH, IS OF COURSE THE 2016 MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED THE CROSS SECTION FRAMEWORK. UM, THE CITYWIDE TRAILS MASTER PLAN, WHICH REALLY IS THE GUIDANCE FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, UM, IN THIS UPDATE. UH, SO THAT WAS HEAVILY UTILIZED. AND THEN I HIGHLIGHT THE INWOOD ROAD ENHANCEMENT ZONE. THAT'S THE AREA SOUTH OF BELTLINE, WEST OF INWOOD, UH, BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS A LARGE PORTION OF THE UNCOMPLETED ROADWAYS ON OUR PLAN ARE LOCATED. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WE, AS WE LOOK AT THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN UPDATE. AS FAR AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE'VE HAD, UM, OUR SURVEY OPEN FROM APRIL TO JULY. UH, WE'VE HELD AN OPEN HOUSE IN JULY SOLELY FOR THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. WE WERE AT THE SPRING TOWN HALL WITH A BOOTH. UM, AND WE'VE ALSO GATHERED ALL OF THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON MOBILITY. IT'S ADDISON 2050 TO INCLUDE THE REPORT AS WELL. WHEN LOOKING AT THE SURVEY'S, UH, MOST IMPORTANT TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, UH, WAS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOLLOWED BY TRAFFIC CONGESTION. UH, FOR MOST USED MODE OF TRAVEL, YOU WERE ABLE TO SELECT MULTIPLE MODES. UM, THE, THE HIGHEST USED MODE WAS PERSONAL VEHICLE, WHICH WAS EXPECTED WITH WALKING BEING SECOND, FOLLOWED BY, UH, YOUR OTHER MODES IN ADDISON WITH ADVANCED ADDISON 2050. UM, THEY RECOMMENDED CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN. WE'VE INCLUDED THAT IN THE CROSS SECTIONS, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER LATER. UM, WE WANTED TO SUPPORT THE TOD RECOMMENDATION, SO WE INTRODUCED A NEW CROSS SECTION, URBAN LOCAL CROSS SECTION, WHICH IS ALSO LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION. UM, WE WANTED TO SUPPORT FUTURE LAND USE. UM, WE'RE DOING THAT WITH A FLEXIBLE CROSS SECTION APPROACH IN THIS, UH, THOROUGH PRESS LAND. AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE TOOK IN A COMMUNITY OUTREACH AS WELL IN TERMS OF DATA ANALYSIS. THE, THE MAIN, UH, DATA THAT WE COLLECTED FOR THIS REPORT IS ALL THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ON ROADWAYS, UH, IN ADDISON, HOW THOSE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE TRENDING OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS. WE CALCULATED THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH IS A TRANSPORTATION TRAINING, TURN [00:25:01] TO GRADE ROADWAYS ON HOW THEY'RE PERFORMING. WE LOOKED AT A CRASH HEAT MAP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY. WE LOOKED AT WHERE YOUR PEDESTRIAN TRIPS ARE LOCATED. WE LOOKED AT WHERE YOUR BICYCLE TRIPS ARE LOCATED, AND THEN GATHERED ALL THE ROADWAY CHARACTERISTICS WHEN LOOKING AT TRAFFIC VOLUMES. WE USED, UH, THE DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED FOR THE DASHBOARD TOOL, UM, THAT BECAME PUBLIC THIS YEAR. THAT RECORDS OVER 90 STREET SEGMENTS AND 37 KEY INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE THOROUGH BEARS THAT ARE IN THE THOROUGH BEAR PLAN. UM, WE ANALYZE THE TRAFFIC VOLUME TRENDS. WE SAW THAT ARTERIALS LARGELY ARE STABLE ON BELT LINE MARCH AND MIDWAY WITH EITHER SLIGHT GROWTH OR SLIGHT, UH, DECLINE. UM, THERE IS SOME LOCALIZED GROWTH WHERE THERE'S BEEN HEAVY REDEVELOPMENT. UH, AND WE USE THIS TO FORECAST FUTURE TRENDS WHERE TRAFFIC MIGHT INCREASE AS WELL. UH, WE DO HAVE YOUR, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE HIGHEST TRAVEL, UH, ROADWAYS IN ADDISON, THE TOP OF BELT LINE, UH, THEN MARCH, FOLLOWED BY MIDWAY, UM, FOR THESE VOLUMES MIDWAY WAS AFFECTED BY SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION. SO IT MAY IN FACT BE IN THE FORTIES, BUT MARCH AND BELT LINES AS WELL. THIS ONE, YEAH, THERE'S QUORUM DRIVE ON QUORUM IS NOT ON THERE. THESE ARE YOUR TOP 10 POINT WITH FALL. OKAY, UNDER, AND, AND I HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC LENSES WHEN LOOKING AT THAT GRADING SYSTEM. SO WE UTILIZE THE VOLUMES AND APPLY THE ROADWAY CHARACTERISTICS, UH, TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH THROUGHPUT AN INDIVIDUAL STREAMING HAVE. WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE ROADWAYS THAT ARE ON YOUR THOROUGH REPAIR PLAN TO ASSIGN A GRADE TO HOW THEY'RE PERFORMING. UH, THE LARGE MAJORITY PERFORM AT LOSD OR BETTER. THERE ARE A FEW LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY THAT PERFORM AT LOSP OR LOSF THAT SHOULD BE TARGETED FOR IMPROVEMENT. UM, THOSE STREETS ARE MARK LANE, WEST GROVE, BELTLINE AND SURVEYOR BETWEEN ARAPAHOE AND OUTLINE. SO A SMALL SEGMENT SURVEYOR. UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONLY 6.4% OF YOUR ROADWAYS FALL WITHIN THAT CATEGORY, UH, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD FOR THE DFW METROPLEX. UM, WITH A LARGE MAJORITY OF YOUR ROADWAY PERFORMING, UM, AT LOSA OR B, MANY OF THESE ROADWAYS YOU CANNOT ADD LANES TO WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT DRIVEWAY ACQUISITION. THE RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES IS MAKING SURE TO IMPLEMENT LEFT TURN, RIGHT TURN LANE TO LARGE DRIVEWAYS AND INTERSECTIONS WHERE POSSIBLE REEVALUATING SIGNAL TIMING, UM, WITHIN THESE LOCATIONS, UM, PROMOTING GOOD LAND USE, UM, AND OTHER MODE OPTIONS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO CONVERT SHORT TRIPS. UM, AND THEN FOR YOUR LARGER ARTERIALS, FIGURING OUT HOW TO SHARE DRIVES, CONSOLIDATE, UM, CLOSED MEDIAN OPENINGS AND THAT WILL REDUCE FRICTION ON SOME OF THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC ROAD ROAD DELAYS. WHEN LOOKING AT THE SAFETY ANALYSIS WITHIN THE CITY, UM, WE PUT TOGETHER A KEY MAP OF ALL THE CRASHES OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS. UM, ROUGHLY 2,500 CRASHES OVER THE FIVE YEARS. THE NUMBER ONE, UM, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IS DISTRACTED DRIVING. UM, WE PUT AN ICON OF THE CELL PHONE 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT MOSTLY IS. UM, ROUGHLY ONE FIFTH WERE SPEED RELATED, WHICH IS FAIRLY HIGH. A ROADWAY DEPARTURE AT 4 0 9. UM, ABOUT 6% HAD AN IMPAIRED DRIVER INVOLVED IN THE ACCIDENT, AND ABOUT 5% WERE ATTRIBUTED TO RED LIGHT RUNNING. UM, OUT OF ALL THOSE CRASHES, 43 INVOLVED PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLISTS. UM, WITHIN ADDISON, UH, THERE HAS BEEN A TREND OF DECLINING CRASHES SINCE 2021, UH, WHICH IS ALWAYS A GOOD TREND TO SEE. UM, WITH 2020 HAVING SLIGHTLY LOWER, WHICH COULD BE LESS DRIVERS ON THE ROADWAY DUE DUE TO COVID BREAKING THIS OUT TO LOOK AT JUST THE [00:30:01] CRASHES THAT HAPPENED TO PEDESTRIANS OR CYCLISTS. UM, ON THE RIGHT, THAT MAP ACTUALLY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE PURPLE LAVENDER COLOR. THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF YOUR PEDESTRIAN TRIPS ARE HAPPENING, HAPPENING IN ADDISON WITH MANY OCCURRING ON BELTLINE. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE'S, THERE'S A TREND OF PEDESTRIAN CRASHES ON BELTLINE. UM, ALSO WITH COLOR SPRINGS IN CORRUM IN 2024, THERE WAS NO, UM, NO PEDESTRIAN OR BICYCLE FATALITIES, UM, WHICH IS PROMISING. OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THERE WAS ABOUT FOUR GIMME A DEFINITION OF PEDESTRIAN CRASH. IS THAT CAR HITTING A PEDESTRIAN OR BICYCLE HITTING PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN CAR HITTING PEDESTRIAN OR CYCLIST? THAT'S SOME OF THE DATA THAT GOES INTO THE REPORT. UM, IF THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN TYPICALLY HISTORICALLY IS TO DEVELOP A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND A LARGE PART OF THAT IS CROSS SECTION 1 1, 1 MORE QUESTION ON THAT. YES, CORRECT. PLEASE. DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON, I SEE THE STARS HERE, WHERE THEY'VE HAPPENED. DO WE HAVE ANY DATA THAT THE PEDESTRIAN WAS CROSSING IT IN AN INCORRECT PLACE AND WALKED OUT IN FRONT OF THE CAR? OR ARE THEY, DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE DATA ON WHEN THEY'RE HIT IN A CROSSING CROSSWALK OR WHEN THEY'RE HIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT LINE ROAD WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CROSSING? WE, WE HAVE ALL THAT DATA COMPLETES THE REPORT. YOU CAN PULL THOSE REPORT, WE CAN MARK THAT DATA. YEAH. SEE, PUT TOGETHER REPORT, BUT IT WILL TELL YOU THE DIRECTION OF THE VEHICLES WITH THE PEDESTRIAN IN. ARE THEY FOLLOWING THE PEDESTRIAN? YEAH, THE CAR FOLLOWING TRAFFIC LAW. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. A BIG PART OF THIS PROJECT IS DEVELOPING THE CROSS SECTIONS, UH, IN ARTERIAL CROSS SECTION. THAT WOULD BE BELTLINE MARSH, UM, KELLER SPRINGS. THE COLLECTOR IS A SMALLER, UH, CROSS SECTION LIKE QUORUM. UM, AND THEN LOCAL STREETS WOULD BE YOUR RESIDENTIAL, LOCAL OR SOME OF THOSE SMALL STREETS, UH, URBAN STREETS. UH, AND, AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS LOCALS PROVIDE ACCESS TO BUSINESSES, UM, AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND OUR MATERIALS MEANT FOR THROUGHPUT, REALLY MOVING VEHICLES AND, AND THROUGH MOBILITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IN ADDISON, WE'VE DEVELOPED SIX CROSS SECTIONS RANKING FROM PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL, THAT'S YOUR BIGGEST TO RESIDENTIAL LOCAL, WHICH IS YOUR SMALLEST CROSS CROSS SECTION. THE GOAL AS WE WERE DEVELOPING THESE, UM, THE PREVIOUS CROSS SECTIONS WERE RIGID. YOU NEEDED SIX FEET OF SIDEWALK. WE ARE NOW PROVIDING ENVELOPES SO THAT SIDEWALK COULD BE SIX TO EIGHT FEET THAT ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING CERTAIN SEGMENTS AND ALSO WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE COLLABORATION WITH DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND THE GOAL OF THIS IS REALLY THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT CAN, UH, IMPLEMENT ADDISON'S VISION FOR THAT ROADWAY, INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY AND DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR EACH SEGMENT. ESPECIALLY NOW SINCE MOST OF THE CITY IS BUILT OUT THE CONTACT SENSITIVE APPROACH. UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THAT THE ROADWAY SHOULD SUPPORT THE ADJACENT LAND USES. UH, AND SO THE ROADWAY SHOULD FIT THE PLACE, SERVE THE APPROPRIATE USERS, DECIDING WHICH CORRIDORS ARE MORE MEANT FOR BICYCLES OR PEDESTRIANS OR MAYBE ALL OF 'EM. SO MAKING SURE IT IS MEETING THAT NEED THROUGH OVERALL CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND IT'S ALSO USED TO ENHANCE THE CHARACTER. SO PROVIDING STREET GATE, UM, IN AN URBAN LOCATION OR, OR PROVIDING PARKING, UH, NEXT TO RESIDENCES. AND THAT'S WHAT CONTACT SENSITIVE APPROACH IS. UM, A WAY TO IMPLEMENT THIS IS THROUGH OUR FLEXIBLE CROSS SECTIONS. UH, THAT WAY YOU CAN ALLOCATE SPACE DIFFERENTLY. IN OUR CENTERS WHERE IT'S RESIDENTIAL AREAS, IT ALLOWS YOU TO RIGHT SIDE ROADWAYS SO YOU COULD REDUCE, UH, LANE WIDTHS. UM, IT ALLOWS YOU TO STREAMLINE DELIVERIES. SO IF THERE'S SMALL SEGMENTS, YOU POTENTIALLY NEED ROADWAY ACQUISITIONS. YOU COULD REDUCE SOME OF THE, THE WIDTH THERE, UM, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO COST BY WAY ACQUISITION. SO THE BENEFITS WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE, LARGE ROADWAY PROJECTS. UM, AND ALSO CONSISTENT QUALITY. SO JUST REALLY PUTTING THE EFFORT INTO LOOKING AT EACH CROSS [00:35:01] SECTION ON WHAT IT'S MEANT TO BE. SO THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE, TYPICALS IS GOOD. THIS ESTABLISHES A RIGHT OF WAY MINIMUM THAT NEEDS TO BE DEDICATED FROM DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, BUT IT ALSO GOES UP TO A MAXIMUM RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL. AND EACH ELEMENT WITHIN THE CROSS SECTION NOW HAS A RANGE. SO YOU CAN SEE SIDEWALK FOR PRINCIP ARTERIAL SIX TO 10 FEET. 10 FEET WOULD BE AN ENHANCED SIDEWALK, WHICH WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED IN THE 2021 CITY-WISE DRILLS MASTER PLAN AS A RANGE OF THE PARKWAY BUFFER, THAT HELPS WITH THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE DIVIDED WEIGHT HAS CHANGE, WHICH IN MANY PLACES IN THE CITY IT DOES FROM BLOCK TO BLOCK. UM, IT ALSO HAS A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF LANES DEPENDING ON THE ROADWAY. UM, PRINCIPAL ARTERIALS ARE GENERALLY ALL GONNA BE SIX LANES, BUT, UM, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ROADWAYS THAT DID CHANGE. UM, AND SO EACH, EACH CROSS SECTION IS PUT TOGETHER LIKE THIS WITHIN THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. UM, RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. AN EXAMPLE OF FLEXIBILITY HERE IS BIKE LANE TO GO AWAY AND BE FOR PARKING. UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY BE ALLOCATED DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. URBAN LOCAL IS A NEW PLACE TYPE. UH, THIS TYPICALLY, THIS WASN'T IN THE 2016 MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO PROVIDE WIDE SIDEWALKS IN A STREETSCAPE ZONE IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET. SO A STREETSCAPE TYPICALLY HAS TREE WELLS BENCHES. UM, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR RESTAURANTS TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE IF THEY NEED IT. UH, MEANT MORE FOR YOUR URBAN LOCATIONS AROUND ADDISON CIRCLE. PUTTING THAT ALL TOGETHER IS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE LOCATIONS AND ROADWAYS TIED TO EACH ONE OF THOSE CROSS SECTIONS. UH, URBAN LOCAL IS A NEW CROSS SECTION. THIS ALSO COMMUNICATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON WHAT THE RIGHT OF WAY MINIMUMS ARE FOR EACH ROADWAY. UH, AND IT ALSO IDENTIFIES THE NEW SEGMENTS THAT ARE NOT YET COMPLETED, WHICH A LOT OF THOSE ARE IN THE INWOOD ENHANCEMENT ZONE THAT WE DISCUSSED, UM, EARLIER. AND THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED BY THE DASH LINE, UM, THAT HAVE NOT YET COMPLETED. ROADWAYS, YES, FUTURE ROADWAY SEGMENTS. LANDMARK BOULEVARD, I THINK WE ALL KNOW, NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED OUT TO DT. THAT WILL BE DONE WITH REDEVELOPMENT. BELTWAY DRIVE AND BELT WOOD DRIVE, OR BELT WOOD PARKWAY ARE BOTH COMPOSED. ALSO WILL BE TRIGGERED WITH DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE WITHIN THE INWOOD ENHANCEMENT ZONES. FUTURE ROADWAY MODIFICATIONS. A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE WHAT THE CITY'S BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON. UM, WITH THE PREVIOUS BOND, UH, MIDWAY ROAD RECENTLY COMPLETED KELLER SPRINGS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, MONTFORD DRIVE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN PHASE, UH, QUORUM DRIVE. UH, ALSO IN THE DESIGN PHASES. WE SPLIT THAT OUT SOUTH OF D AND T, OR D T'S A DART RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS ARAPAHOE, UH, AIRPORT PARKWAY IN DESIGN PHASE. AND THEN THE NEXT ROADWAYS ARE THE, UM, PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN NEXT. SO THAT'S ADDISON ROAD, UM, REEVALUATING THAT, THAT HAS SOME SIDEWALK ISSUES ON ADDISON. IT'S A, IT'S A POPULAR ROAD WITH, UH, COMPETING, UM, MODE NEEDS. UH, MARSH LANE, UH, THE CITY ONLY CONTROLS HALF OF IT, BUT ALSO VERY POPULAR ROAD FOR BOTH VEHICLES AND WALKING. I COULD USE MODERNIZATION AND, UH, NEW UTILITIES AS WELL. UH, QUORUM AND WEST GROVE INTERSECTION. THIS, UM, WAS CONTINUED FROM THE 2016 MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, TO RECONFIGURE THAT INTERSECTION. SO QUORUM GOES UP AND CONNECTS INTO DT AND WEST GROVE WITH T INTO QUORUM. SO SINCE MOST OF YOUR TRAFFIC GOES OUT TO DT THERE, THE IDEA WAS TO, TO MAKE THAT SIMPLER AND EASIER. BACK TO TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, THIS WAS FIRST INTRODUCED IN 2016. THE CITYWIDE TRAILS MASTER PLAN TOOK IT A STEP FORWARD WITH A LOT OF TRAILS, UM, AND SHARED USE PATHS. A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE TOUGH TO IMPLEMENT RIGHT NOW. SO THESE ARE LONG RANGE PROJECTS. [00:40:02] UH, AND WE DIDN'T ADD A TON OF ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS TO THIS. THIS IS LARGELY, UM, FROM THE CITYWIDE TRAIL MASTER PLAN. WITH THAT, WE, WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED AND WE DID FILTER THROUGH AND CREATE A PRIORITY OF THOSE PROJECTS. UH, THE TOLLWAY CROSSING UNDER DESIGN, QUORUM DRIVE UNDER DESIGN, QUEST GROVE DRIVE. THERE'S LARGELY DISCUSSION AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON THOSE PROJECTS. UM, BELTLINE ROAD IS THE NUMBER ONE PEDESTRIAN, UM, PATH THROUGH ADDISON, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE BEST WALKING CONDITION. SO THAT IS A PRIORITY PROJECT THAT HAS TO BE A LONG RANGE PROJECT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO COMPLETE THE SHARED USE PATH. BUT AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, UM, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DECADES, THAT SHOULD BE THE FOCUS OF THE CITY TO GET A GOOD PASS ON ROAD, INWOOD RAIL TRAIL, UM, THAT IS PART OF THE VELA WEB, WHICH IS THE REGIONAL BIKE AND TRAIL NETWORK IN DFW. THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP PROJECT, THE FARMERS BRANCH THAT WOULD CONNECT UP THROUGH ADDISON. UM, ADDISON ROAD WAS A PRIORITY PROJECT IN CITYWIDE TRAILS MASTER PLAN FOR A SHARED USE PATH THAT IS ANOTHER PRIORITY TO THIS SPRING VALLEY ROAD SHARED USE PATH NEXT TO BUSH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN CROSSING IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHICH IS CITYWIDE, WHICH THIS PLAN FOCUSES ON A LOT, UH, KEY INTERSECTIONS TO IMPROVE CROSSING TO CREATE A SAFER, SAFER ENVIRONMENT IN THE CITY. WITH MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WE COMPLETED A PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX. UM, SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TOOLS HERE. THIS CONNECTS NATIONAL AND FEDERAL GUIDANCE, UM, AND HOW TO APPLY IT TO ADDISON. SO IT INCLUDED PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACONS, UM, CHEROKEE PATH MARKED CROSSWALKS, CURB RAMPS, UM, RRFE, WHICH IS THE FLASHING LIGHTS ON, ON CROSSINGS SIDE. EXCUSE ME, IS SKIPPED OVER. A COUPLE OVER HERE. ARE, ARE WE, ARE WE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT RENTING SCOOTERS AND THAT TYPE THING UNDER THIS MICRO MOBILITY OPTIONS IMPLEMENT, REGULATE BIKE SHARE AND SCOOTER SHARE PROGRAMS FOR ACTIVE? ARE WE, ARE WE PURSUING GETTING THESE BIKE RENTALS AND SCOOTER RENTALS IN TOWN? NO, WE'RE NOT. IF COUNCIL WANTS TO PURSUE THAT, IT'S, NO, I'M ASKING. I MEAN, THIS HERE ONE SCOOTER SCOOTER SHARE THING IS KIND OF THROWING US OFF. YEAH, THESE ARE, SLIDE 26 IS THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. SO THE BICYCLE PARKING AND THE MICRO MOBILITY OPTIONS THAT ARE SHOWN ARE PARTS OF THE TRAILS PLAN. SO WE'RE SIMPLY TAKING THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE TRAILS PLAN. WE'RE NOT STATING THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS. THOSE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM COUNCIL DIRECTION. THEY'RE JUST LISTED BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE OVERALL TRAIL. BUT WHAT, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING, BUT WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IS YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF OUR OFFICE TOWERS HAVE BIKES IN THE LOBBY FOR, UM, THOSE USERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN, THAT ARE ING IN THAT TOWER, RIGHT? I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN GET THE CONNECTIVITY RIGHT, ESPECIALLY AROUND MIDWAY AND BELTLINE. SO IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOUR OFFICE AND GO GRAB LUNCH INSTEAD OF HOPPING IN YOUR CAR, YOU TAKE ONE OF THOSE BIKES. SO I, I STILL THINK THAT'S WHY SOME OF THIS CONNECTIVITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THE ELECTRIC BIKES AND SCOOTERS HAVE JUST BEEN SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM. BEFORE, BEFORE WE GO DOWN A PATH HERE, I HAVE A PLAN FOR THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION BECAUSE I, I SENSE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. SO I'D LOVE TO HAVE CHRISTIAN FINISH HIS PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FOR PART TWO OF THIS AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION AND I THINK SOME OF YOU'ALL WANNA SEE THE FULL REPORT, RIGHT? SO MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION AND I HATE TO MAKE YOU MAKE YOU HAVE A SECOND TRIP TO COME OVER HERE, CHRISTIAN. BUT, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT AT A REGULAR MEETING THAT WE NEED TO GET THROUGH TONIGHT. SO I THINK WE CAN GET THE PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW AND THEN DO DISCUSSION AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT. YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'LL CONTINUE. UM, THE PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX, ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE HERE. WE TOOK THIS A STEP FURTHER AND LOOKED AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY ON HOW THE TOOLBOX WOULD BE APPLIED. UH, A LOT OF THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS AND CURB RAMP. THAT'S ALL THAT'S NEEDED. UM, SOME OF IT IS LARGER, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ONE, THAT'S WHERE ADDISON PARK SHELF IS NEXT TO ADDISON ROAD. UH, A PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON WOULD BE NEEDED [00:45:01] TO CROSS TAG NUMBER EIGHT. I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THAT ON THE MAP AS WELL. UH, AND PER YOUR REFERENCE, THE YELLOW IS A CROSSING IMPROVEMENT. SO THERE'S A CROSSING ALREADY THERE, BUT IT JUST NEEDS AN IMPROVEMENT. GREEN WOULD BE AN ENTIRELY NEW CROSSING LOCATION. SO EIGHT WEST GROVE AND QUORUM. YOU DON'T HAVE CROSSWALKS ON ALL, ALL LAKES OF THE INTERSECTIONS OR CURB RAMPS, UH, THAT SHOULD BE UPGRADED. 37, I HIGHLIGHTED THAT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. THAT'S, UM, IN FRONT OF THE WESTWOOD SCHOOL AND THE SIDEWALK ENDS THERE AND IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL TO CROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. SAFETY IT SAFELY IS WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO THAT LOCATION. SO THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL LOCATIONS WE IDENTIFIED, UM, AS, AS SORT OF A HIT LIST FOR THE CITY ON WHERE IMPROVEMENT COULD BE MADE AND HOW TO APPLY, APPLY WITH PEDESTRIAN TOOLBOX. THE OTHER TOOLBOX THAT WAS A PART OF THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS THE TRAFFIC CALMING TOOLBOX. THIS IS, WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT EQUAL SPEEDS WAS A CONCERN. UH, THIS IS THE ABILITY TO COMPLETE SOME OF THAT SPEED MANAGEMENT. SO IT HAS RAISED INTERSECTIONS, RADAR SPEED SIGNS, THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY ALL RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THESE ARE TOOLS YOU COULD USE IN DIFFERENT ROADWAYS TO SLOW DOWN SPEEDS. UM, HOW TO USE PAVEMENT MARKINGS TO SLOW DOWN SPEEDS, DIVIDERS AND MEDIANS OF WHAT INTERSECTIONS TOOLS ARE OUT THERE. ROUNDABOUTS CURB EXTENSIONS IN STREET CROSSWALK SIDES SIGNS, UM, PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND CORNER RADIUS. SO THIS IS A TOOL FOR STAFF, UM, ON WHAT THE NATIONAL GUIDANCE IS. AND, AND AS CONCERNS COME UP, HOW DO WE APPLY, UH, SOME OF THESE TOOLS TO CREATE PROJECTS PART OF THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT SPEED LIMIT EVALUATIONS. UH, TYPICALLY SPEED LIMITS ARE SET TO THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED, WHICH MEANS OUT OF A HUNDRED PEOPLE, HOW FAST WAS THE 85TH PERSON, UH, TRAVELING. SO IT'S HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE SPEED ON A ROADWAY. UM, THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT PROCESS WITH ENGINEERS WAS THERE IS THAT THAT IS THE SPEED THAT MOST DRIVERS DRIVE COMFORTABLY AND SAFELY AND ONE, A REASONABLE DRIVERS DRIVE. NOW A LOT OF CITIES ARE PUSHING BACK ON THIS AND THE, UH, UPDATED T-M-U-T-C-B ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR MORE ENGINEERING JUDGMENT ON SETTING SPEED LIMITS. IT DOES, UH, STILL REQUIRE ENGINEERING STUDY TO DETERMINE THE SPEED LIMITS, BUT IT ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CITY TO REDUCE AND NOT JUST USE THAT 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED ANYMORE. UM, SO TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO APPLY THIS TO ADDISON, WE USE, UM, EN ENRICH DATA, WHICH IS CELL PHONE TRACKING DATA ALONG CORRIDORS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW FAST PEOPLE WERE DRIVING ALONG ROADWAY SEGMENTS. UM, WE DID IDENTIFY THAT THE 80 FIFTHS PERCENTILE SPEED IN SOME LOCATIONS ARE BELOW THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, WHICH COULD INDICATE, UM, A STRONG IN COULD INDICATE STRONG EVIDENCE TO POTENTIALLY REDUCE THOSE SPEED LIMITS. UH, AND WHEN LOOKING AT THE ROADWAY CHARACTERISTICS OF SOME OF THE ROADWAYS WITHIN ADDISON, WE CAME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHERE TO REDUCE SPEED. SO WEST GROVE DRIVE, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A STUDY TO REDUCE TO 35 MILES PER HOUR, ADDISON ROAD TO 35 MILES PER HOUR. KELLER SPRINGS AIRPORT PARKWAY, ARAPAHOE MARSH, ALL DOWN FROM 40 MILES PER HOUR TO 35 MILES PER HOUR. UM, ONE THING I SKIPPED OVER IS THERE IS, UM, WITHIN, UH, CRAFT REPORTS, THERE'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE FATALITIES FOR PEDESTRIANS. IF SOMEONE'S DRIVING 40 MILES PER HOUR INSTEAD OF 30 MILES PER HOUR, THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED THE DANGER ZONE. SO GETTING AS MANY VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY ON YOUR, HE, UM, TRAFFIC PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS DOWN A LITTLE BIT CAN SAVE LIVES. UM, SO LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN, UH, FORUM, RECOMMENDING DOWN TO 25 MILES PER HOUR SPECTRUM 25 MILES PER HOUR. ADDISON CIRCLE 25 MILES PER HOUR. SO REDUCING, UM, SPEEDS WHERE YOU HAVE HIGH PEDESTRIAN LOCATIONS. AND WITH THAT, I'VE PRESENTED THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU CHRISTIAN. YEAH, I THINK WE'LL [00:50:01] HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION, UH, NEXT TIME. SO THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF WORK Y'ALL PUT INTO THAT. ALRIGHT. IS THAT MY LAST WORK SESSION PLAN? IT'S ALRIGHT. WELL THAT, UH, WE'LL, UH, TAKE A RECESS FROM, UH, WORK SESSION AND, UH, MOVE INTO THE OTHER ROOM FOR A REGULAR MEETING IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OR SO. OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. IT IS SEVEN TWENTY EIGHT AND WE WILL CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025. WELCOME, AND AS ALWAYS, WE LIKE TO OPEN OUR MEETINGS TO P TO CLOSE OUR FLAGS. IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE. I PLEDGE ALL PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDERGRAD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FRAUD. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE. ALRIGHT, NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY THIS EVENING. UH, GOING INTO ITEM NUMBER [a. City Manager's Announcements.] TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATION TWO, A CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCEMENTS AND TWO, BE EMPLOYER RECOGNITION. DAVID GAINES. THANKS, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT. UH, FIRST THE ADDISON FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE HOSTING A BRIEF NINE 11 CEREMONY AT FIRE STATION ONE ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH AT 8:30 AM PLEASE NOTE THAT PARKING IS LIMITED, SO CARPOOLING IS ENCOURAGED. NEXT ADDISON OCTOBER FEST IS SEPTEMBER 18TH THROUGH THE 21ST IN ADDISON CIRCLE PARK. ADDISON, RESIDENTS CAN STILL GET DISCOUNTED IN GENERAL ADMISSION TICKETS AT THE ATHLETIC CLUB UNTIL NEXT WEDNESDAY. FIND ALL THE DETAILS ON FOOD, MUSIC AND MORE@ADDISONOCTOBERFEST.COM. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE THERE. NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO OUR EMPLOYEE [b. Employee Recognition.] RECOGNITION. I'LL ASK CHIEF FREEZE TO COME UP. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CHRIS FREEZE, CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, TO NOT HAVE THE, UH, DISTINCT, UH, HONOR OF INTRODUCING OUR NEWEST, UH, POLICE OFFICER JOHN ANO. UM, HE'S A DEDICATED AND EXPERIENCED NEW ADDITION TO OUR TEAM HERE IN ADDISON. HE OFFICIALLY BEGAN WITH THE TOWN AS A POLICE RECRUIT ON SEPTEMBER 2ND. HE BRINGS BOTH THE STRONG PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND AND A DEEP COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY FOCUSED POLICING. GROWING UP IN BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, OFFICER ANO GRADUATED FROM AVARIAN HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH AT THE TIME WAS AN ALL BOYS CATHOLIC SCHOOL. HE WENT ON TO ATTEND EDINBURGH UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA, CONTINUING TO BUILD A STRONG FOUNDATION FOR HIS FUTURE CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. OUTSIDE OF HIS PROFESSIONAL JOURNEY, OFFICER SANO IS ENGAGED TO HIS FIANCE APRIL, AND TOGETHER THEY HAVE A TWO AND A HALF YEAR OLD SON, LUCA SANO, WHO KEEPS HIM BOTH BUSY AND SMILING WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS. HE PROUDLY CHEERS FOR THE NEW JERSEY DEVILS AND THE NEW YORK GIANTS. AND WHILE BASEBALL ISN'T HIS SPORT OF CHOICE, HE ONCE LOST A BET TO A COUSIN IN MASSACHUSETTS, WHICH MEANS HE NOW HAS TO RELUCTANTLY CALL HIMSELF A RED SOX FAN. NEED TO START CHEERING FOR THE RANGERS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, OFFICER COO'S PATH TO ADDISON WAS SPARKED BY WATCHING THE ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RECRUITMENT VIDEO. HE FELT AN IMMEDIATE CONNECTION WITH ADDISON'S APPROACH AND KNEW IT WOULD BE A NATURAL FIT FOR HIS OUTGOING PERSONALITY AND HIS DESIRE TO BUILD OPEN LASTING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITY WHILE PRACTICING PROACTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALLY, HE'S ESPECIALLY PROUD OF REACHING THE FIVE-YEAR MILESTONE WITH THE NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT, AN ACHIEVEMENT THAT REFLECTS HIS DEDICATION TO THE PROFESSION. ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, LEVEL, ONE OF HIS GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS HAS BEEN MAKING THE LONG AWAITED MOVE FROM NEW YORK TO TEXAS, SOMETHING HE HAD TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS AND IS THRILL TO HAVE FINALLY ACHIEVED. WHEN ASKED WHAT THE ADDISON WAY MEANS TO HIM, OFFICER ANO SHARED THAT IT'S ABOUT APPLYING COURTESY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND RESPECT TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL HE ENCOUNTERS. WHILE REPRESENTING THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND HIS ROLE AS A POLICE OFFICER, PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING OFFICER ANO TO ADDISON IN CELEBRATING THE EXPERIENCE, PASSION, AND POSITIVE ENERGY HE BRINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU CHIEF AND WELCOME OFFICER CO MANO. GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. GO RANGERS, . ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER THREE [3. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.] TONIGHT IS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. THIS IS THAT TIME WHEN FOLKS CAN ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FOR ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES. AND I DO HAVE TWO, UH, COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS AND WE'LL GO WITH THOSE FIRST. SO I WILL FIRST CALL ON MR. UH, BUR BURKHALTER. AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE LECTERN, IF YOU PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I'M HURRYING GUYS. , NO RUSH. I'M, UH, JAMES BUR AUTHOR. EVERYBODY CALLS ME BURKE. I LIVE AT 38 24 WATERFORD DRIVE, AND I BEEN THERE SINCE 1993. [00:55:03] I HAVE ABOUT THREE ITEMS TONIGHT THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS AND I HAVE TIME. ONE IS I, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ARETHA FRANKLIN'S RESPECT? OKAY. I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD LISTEN TO THAT AS WELL AS THE CITY STAFF. THAT'S AS FAR AS I'M GONNA GO WITH IT. BUT IT IS DISRESPECTFUL WHEN YOU CALL AND YOU DON'T GET A CALL RETURNED. AND I, UH, STARTED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I DIDN'T THINK YOU GUYS WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT UNLESS I MENTIONED IT OVER, OVER GONE. MY NEXT ITEM IS CITY MANAGER GAINS. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS HAPPENING TO ADDISON? I MEAN TO ATMOS ENERGY, LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE OF THE BACKGROUND ON IT. BACK IN JUNE, I I'M KNOWN ON WATER FOR DRIVE IS THE MAYOR OF WATERFORD. I'M SORRY BRUCE, IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY OF YOUR JOB. YOU CAN HAVE IT, BUT MY NEIGHBOR CALLED ME. I HAVE NINE SINGLE LADIES THAT LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND ONE OF 'EM CALLED ME AND SHE SAID, BURKE, YOU NEED TO COME DOWN, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. AND I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SHE SAID, JUST COME LOOK. SO I WENT DOWN THERE AND ATMOS WAS THERE AND THERE WERE DRILLING HOLES IN THE SIDEWALK. AND I, I WENT DOWN THERE AND I SAID, I SAID, GOOD MORNING FELLAS. HOW Y'ALL DOING? AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WELL, YOU HAVE A GAS LEAK HERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE VENTING THE SIDEWALK SO THE GAS CAN ESCAPE EIGHT. THIS WAS IN JUNE. THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE NO LESS THAN SIX TIMES. THEY COME OUT THERE, TWO PEOPLE AT A TIME EACH IN THEIR OWN TRUCK LIKE ADDISON DOES. AND THEY HAVE NOT YET. I ASKED ONE OF 'EM, THE FIRST ONE CAME, I SAID, WHAT'S THE DEAL? HE SAID, YOU GOT A LEAK UNDER THE SIDEWALK. AND I SAID, IS IT BAD? OH NO, IT'S JUST A MINOR LEAK. AND I SAID, WELL, WHY IS IT THEN THAT AT THAT ATMOS SAYS, IF YOU SMELL GAS, CALL 9 1 1. HE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER. HE WAS LIKE A, A GOOSE AND A SNOWSTORM. HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HE WAS EVEN DOING OUT THERE. NOW I THINK THEY CALLED YOU MR. GAINES. I'M NOT SURE I TALKED TO FELICIA. THAT'S ABOUT THE BEST I COULD DO. SHE SAID SHE'D GET INTO IT. I THINK SHE DID. I DON'T KNOW. AT MUST THEN CALLED ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS AND SAID THEY'RE GOING TO REPAIR IT. THE GUY FIRST CAME OUT THERE IN JUNE, SAID, YOU'RE NUMBER THREE ON THE LIST. AND I SAID, OKAY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HE SAID, IT'LL BE REAL SOON. YOU'LL SEE THEOR AND THE FRONT END LOADER GOING DOWN THE STREET AND THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR UP THE SIDEWALK. CAN I HAVE JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES? MAKE IT PRETTY, PRETTY QUICK. OKAY. MAKE YOU QUICK. THE OTHER THING IS, THAT'S ENOUGH ON THAT AS, AS, UH, MR. COUNCILMAN RANDY SMITH CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID, WHERE IS THIS GAS LEAK? AND SO WE WALKED UP THE STREET TO LOOK AT IT AND HE SAID, I CAN SMELL THAT 15 FEET AWAY. HE SAID, AND I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THIS SAME THING. HE SAID, WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I THREW A MATCH IN THAT HOLE. AND I THOUGHT I SAID, I SAID, YOU KNOW, RANDY, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THAT MYSELF, BUT I'M AFRAID TO THE OTHER. OKAY, THAT'S YEAH. BUR WE NEED TO REALLY GO AND WRAP UP. WE TRY TO HOLD EVERYBODY TO THE THREE MINUTES. IF YOU DON, DON'T MIND. OKAY. THE OTHER THING IS PLEASE, UH, LOOK AT THE STOP SIGNS THAT THE CITY WAS SO NICE TO PUT UP ON WATERFORD AND LAY LOCKS. I, I WAS, MY, MY BREAKFAST ROOM FACES THAT INTER I CAN LOOK IN MY, IF I'M EATING BREAKFAST, I CAN LOOK OUT THERE AND SEE THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE STOPS. THERE WAS A PERSON CAME THROUGH THE OTHER DAY. I KNOW HE IS GOING 40, 50 MILES AN HOUR. HE DIDN'T EVEN SLOW DOWN. AND IT'S, IT'S A, THE REASON THAT THE CITY PUT 'EM UP IS BECAUSE THE STATE SAID THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IF YOU COME OUT GOING SOUTH ON WATERFORD BURKE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF YOU COME OUT, YOU CANNOT SEE EITHER WAY AND THEY PUT THE STOP SIGNS UP. THANK YOU BURKE. ALRIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE CHRIS WILKOS. OH, I'M GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S CHRIS OSH AND I LIVE AT 1 5 7 2 9 BOL IN DISTRICT A OVER OFF ADDISON CIRCLE. MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN HOMEOWNERS IN ADDISON, SPECIFICALLY DISTRICT A FOR 20 YEARS. I'M ALSO A FORMER OFFICER OF THE DISTRICT, A HOA [01:00:01] AND I'M JUST HERE TONIGHT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR REMOVING THE DEDICATED QUORUM TO WESTLAKE BICYCLE LANE, UH, PROJECT FROM THE FY 26 BUDGET. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE CASE. UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A SHARED BICYCLE, UH, AUTOMOBILE AUTOMOBILE LANE IS NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION. AND I BELIEVE THIS TO BE THE MOST BENEFICIAL COURSE OF ACTION FOR THE HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES IN THE CIRCLE AND ALONG QUORUM DRIVE. I'VE BEEN AN A AVID CYCLIST FOR 28 YEARS. I RIDE ON AVERAGE ABOUT A HUNDRED MILES A WEEK. ROAD, GRAVEL MOUNTAIN, UH, AND I'M VERY ENGAGED IN THE LOCAL CYCLING COMMUNITY. I'VE RIDDEN ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES AND ALSO IN EUROPE. I'VE GIVEN THIS, GIVEN THIS PROJECT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION SINCE THE BIKE LANE DEMO WAS SET UP LAST YEAR. AND I'VE HEARD AND READ THE ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST AND HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS. ULTIMATELY, I'VE CONCLUDED THAT ADDING A A DEDICATED BICYCLE LANE TO QUORUM DRIVE WOULD BE THE WRONG DECISION FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THEM, BUT JUST A FEW. UM, I WALK OUR NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY MORNING. I WORK FROM HOME EVERY MORNING, EVERY AFTERNOON, UM, EVERY EVENING WITH OUR DOG. AND I SEE APPROXIMATELY A HALF A DOZEN TO MAYBE 10 CYCLISTS A WEEK. UM, AND AGAIN, I'M OUT THERE CONSTANTLY. UM, MOST, MOST ARE PASSING THROUGH AS PART OF A LONGER RIDE. SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE RIDING INTO OR RIDING INTO THE CIRCLE AREA TO GO TO WORK OR GOING TO A DESTINATION IN THE CIRCLE AREA. IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THERE'S, UH, ANY REAL DEMAND, UH, FOR BICYCLE LANES, DEDICATED BICYCLE LANES IN THAT AREA. ADDITIONALLY, THE ADDISON CIRCLE, UM, QUORUM DRIVE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS NOT DESIGNED, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE BICYCLE LANES. THERE'S LIMITED ADDITIONAL ROADWAY AND SIDEWALK SPACE PARKING FOR BUSINESSES WOULD BE COMPROMISED. IT WOULD ALSO FORCE CYCLISTS AND DRIVERS TO NAVIGATE WHAT I CONSIDER A CONFUSING SYSTEM OF PARTIAL BIKE LANES, WHICH I, I BELIEVE INCREASES THE LIKELIHOOD OF ACCIDENTS FOR EVERYONE. I'VE WITNESSED SOME OF THESE FIRSTHAND, UH, IN OTHER PARTS OF DALLAS ON SOME RIDES. UH, LASTLY, I FULLY ENDORSE THAT FUTURE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ADDITIONAL BIKE TRAILS AND BICYCLE LANES AND DEVELOP ACCORDINGLY. JUST DON'T THINK THAT TAKING A LANE AWAY FROM QUORUM NEAR THE CIRCLE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND LASTLY, MY WIFE AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR CITY. I KNOW IT'S A TOUGH JOB AND OFTENTIMES A THANKLESS JOB. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU, CHRIS. OKAY, THOSE ARE THE ONLY, UH, THOSE ARE THE ONLY APPEARANCE CARDS I HAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND WE'LL MOVE ON [4. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT TONIGHT INCLUDES ITEM FOUR A THROUGH FOUR C. IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOUR A THROUGH FOUR C. THANK YOU, MARLON. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU CHRIS, FOR THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. OKAY. WE'LL GET TO [a. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance approving and adopting the Annual Budget for the Fiscal Year beginning October 1, 2025 and ending September 30, 2026 and making appropriations for each office, department, agency and project of the Town, providing that expenditures for said Fiscal Year shall be made in accordance with the adopted budget, unless otherwise authorized by an Ordinance adopted by the City Council, and providing for emergency expenditures and expenditures as otherwise allowed by law.] OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ITEM FIVE. SO WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT REGARDING THE BUDGET WHEN ONE IS ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE, THEY'RE SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT ONE'S ABOUT THE BUDGET. ONE IS ABOUT THE, UH, LIVING THE TAXES. SO WE'LL GO INTO THE, UH, FIRST ONE HERE, FIVE A, HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR IN THE, UH, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026. AND MAKING APPROPRIATIONS FOR EACH OFFICE, DEPARTMENT, AGENCY AND PROJECT OF THE TOWN. PROVIDING THAT EXPENDITURES FOR SAID FISCAL YEAR SHALL BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ADOPTED BUDGET UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY AN ORDINANCE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND PROVIDING FOR EMERGENCY EXPENDITURES AND EXPENDITURES AS OTHERWISE ALLOWED BY LAW. STEVEN. GREAT. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. AND WE'RE HERE, HERE THIS EVENING. UH, WE HAVE OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET AND ALSO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, ON THIS ITEM AS WELL AS THE ORDINANCE TO FORMALLY ADOPT THE BUDGET. SO, I WANT TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE, AND THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME PRESENTATION WE HAD AT OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING A WEEK AGO. UH, BUT I WANNA GO OVER SOME CHANGES THAT AS WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. YOU RECEIVED THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON JULY 31ST. WE MET THROUGH AUGUST. AND THE CHANGES, UH, THAT HAVE COME FROM THOSE MEETINGS ARE LISTED HERE. SO THOSE INCLUDE, UH, REDUCTION IN THE PROPERTY TAX RATE FROM 60.98 CENTS [01:05:01] TO 60.81 CENTS. UH, AND THEN, UH, THAT, UH, IN ALSO INCLUDES A DECREASE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTRIBUTION TO THE IT REPLACEMENT FUND, UH, BECAUSE WE RECEIVED SOME GRANT FUNDING, UH, THE HOTEL FUND, UH, INCREASED TASTE ADDISON REVENUE BY $165,000. AND THEN, UH, INCLUDED ALL, UH, ADDISON THEATER IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET THAT WE HAD, UH, ORI IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED BUDGET, A THREE YEARS PHASED APPROACH, UH, FOR THOSE PROJECTS. AND THEN ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, REMOVE THE WEST GROVE AND QUORUM BICYCLE LANES PROJECT. AND THEN ALSO WANNA BRING UP, UH, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE TOWN HAS, UH, DONE WHAT WE CALL A, A RESOURCE MAXIMIZATION EFFORT. SO THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET, THERE WAS ABOUT $470,000 IN RECURRING OPERATING, UH, SAVINGS AND EFFICIENCIES INCLUDED IN THAT BUDGET. THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET INCLUDES ABOUT $430,000 IN RECURRING OPERATING SAVINGS AND EFFICIENCIES. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAST TWO YEARS, UH, ABOUT $900,000 IN OPERATING EFFICIENCIES AND SAVINGS HAVE, UH, BEEN A RESULT OF THAT RESOURCE MAXIMIZATION EFFORT, AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET AS WELL. SO, AS WE GET INTO OUR FUND LEVEL VIEW, SO, UH, THE, THE GENERAL FUND, UH, WITHIN YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DECISION PACKAGES. THE PRIMARY ONE IS GONNA BE RELATED TO THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, STEP PLAN MARKET IMPLEMENTATION. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S, UH, PHYSICAL WELLNESS EXAMS FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS, UH, FIELD TRAINING OFFICER, CERTIFICATION PAY IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN MAINTENANCE OF THE COTTON BELT TRAIL. UH, SO LOOKING OVERALL AT THE GENERAL FUND, UH, OVERALL REVENUE, 52,347,000, UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE AVALOR PROPERTY TAXES, NOT A VERY LARGE INCREASE AS FAR AS AVALOR PROPERTY TAXES WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. UH, SO THAT 52,347,000, UH, IN REVENUE, UH, STARTS TO PAY FOR THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. SO WE HAVE OUR GENERAL GOVERNMENT, 11,222,000. THAT INCLUDES ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENTS, UM, IT, HR, UH, GENERAL SERVICES, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S, BUDGET FINANCE, CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE, CITY SECRETARY. UH, THEN WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, 27 MILLION, UH, 181,000, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, JUST UNDER 3.5 MILLION STREETS, UH, 2,353,000, AND THEN PARKS AND RECREATION AT 8.1 MILLION. SO THAT BRINGS US TO EXPENDITURES OF 52,347,000, UH, WHICH LEAVES US WITH, UH, REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES OF $145, UH, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. 2026 BUDGET, UH, LEAVES US WITH A LITTLE OVER $21 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE, OR ABOUT 40.2% OF OUR ANNUAL OPERATING EXP EXPENSE EXPENSES IN RESERVE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL GENERAL FUND, UH, PRIMARILY BEING, UH, SERVICE RELATED, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED, A LOT OF THOSE EXPENDITURES ARE RELATED TO PERSONNEL. SO 65% OF THE OVERALL EXPENDITURE BUCKET IS RELATED TO PERSONNEL. THEN WE HAVE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AT 18%, AND A LOT OF THAT IS GONNA BE YOUR UTILITIES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UH, 8% FOR MAINTENANCE, UH, CAPITAL REPLACEMENT, UH, IS AT 5%, SUPPLIES AT 3%, AND THEN CAPITAL OUTLAY AT 1%. UH, SO GOING INTO OUR OTHER FUNDS, SO SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, UH, HERE WE HAVE LISTED ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND AND THE HOTEL FUND. UH, SO WITHIN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, A COUPLE OF DECISION PACKAGES, UH, THE ONLY FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, UH, IS WITHIN THAT FUND, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR. UH, THEN WE ALSO HAVE A TEAM TEXAS MEMBERSHIP MARKETING BUDGET INCREASE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. UH, WITHIN THE HOTEL FUND, WE HAVE SOME ONE-TIME, UH, EXPENDITURES FOR THE WORLD CUP EVENTS, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE ADDISON PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN MAJOR THEATER PROJECTS FUNDING, UH, WITHIN THE HOTEL FUND. SO AS WE LOOK AT THE HOTEL FUND ON THE, EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND. YES. ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THESE? ARE WE GONNA LET HIM GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OR CAN WE TALK ABOUT THESE AS WE GO ALONG HERE? WHICH, WHICH, WHICH IS THE PREFERRED METHOD HERE? I CAN GO EITHER WAY. OKAY. PREFER, I'D PREFER FOR STEVEN JUST TO GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE CAN, AND EVERYTHING'S OPEN GAME. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ATION. I'M HAPPY. SHOULD DO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, SO OVERALL HOTEL FUND, UH, $7,737,000 ON THE REVENUE SIDE, OPERATING EXPENSES JUST UNDER 7.6 MILLION. WE HAVE ONE TIME DECISION PACKAGES. MOST OF THOSE ARE THOSE THEATER, UH, THOSE THEATER CENTER IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME CASH FUNDING OF THE, UH, CAPITAL PROJECT FOR WAY FINDING SIGNAGE IN 99 1 1 TRAIL MARKERS. [01:10:01] UH, SO OVERALL LEAVES US WITH ABOUT $4.9 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE. UH, WE'RE ABOUT 64.3% OF OUR OPERATING EXPENSES, UH, IN RESERVE. SO GOING ON TO ENTERPRISE FUNDS. SO THESE FUNDS ARE, UH, FUNDS THAT OPERATE MORE LIKE A PRIVATE BUSINESS WOULD, WHERE WE'RE CHARGING SERVICES THAT ARE FINANCING THE OPERATIONS OF THESE FUNDS. UM, SO WE HAVE DECISION PACKAGES FOR THE AIRPORT FUND, JUST ONE, UH, GIS CONTRACTOR POSITION, UH, WHICH ARE ONE-TIME COSTS, UH, IN THE UTILITY FUND. UH, THERE'S FOUR DECISION PACKAGES, UH, CHLORINE ANALYZERS, UM, SURVEYOR, WATER TOWER CONTROL VALVE REPLACEMENT, A CELESTIAL PUMP STATION ELECTRICAL ASSESSMENT, AND THEN A MULTISENSOR INSPECTION CONDITION ASSESSMENT FOR OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH FARMERS BRANCH ON THE NORTH DALLAS WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION. UH, SO OVERALL, LOOKING AT THE AIRPORT FUND, WE HAVE REVENUE JUST OVER $8 MILLION, UH, OPERATING EXPENSES, $7,255,000. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THIS FUND, UH, CONTRIBUTES SOME TO THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, UH, TO PAY FOR DEBT THAT WAS ISSUED, UH, IN PRIOR YEARS FOR THE AIRPORT. AND THEN, UH, $150,000 FOR THAT GIS UM, UH, ONE-TIME, UH, DECISION PACKAGE. AND THEN AIRPORT FUND IS FUNDING SEVERAL CAPITAL PROJECTS THROUGH THEIR AVAILABLE RESERVES. SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE A LIST OF THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, HERE, WHICH BRINGS OUR TOTAL EXPENSES TO 8.8 MILLION. UH, LEAVES US ABOUT $7,262,000, UH, IN ENDING, UH, RESERVES, OR JUST OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, OF OUR ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES IN RESERVE. AND THEN OUR UTILITY FUND. SO OUR UTILITY FUND, UH, AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR RATE MODEL, INCLUDING, UH, POTENTIAL 5.5% INCREASES FOR WATER AND SEWER RATES. WHEN WE EVALUATED IT THIS YEAR, UH, WE DETERMINED THAT WE DIDN'T NEED, UH, SUCH AGGRESSIVE RATE INCREASES. SO THE BUDGET, UH, THAT'S BEFORE YOU INCLUDES NO INCREASE IN WATER RATES AND A 1% INCREASE IN SEWER RATES. UH, SO THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE 2026, UH, BUDGET AMOUNT. SO IN TOTAL REVENUE, 17,780,000, UH, THAT JUST EXCEEDS THE OPERATING EXPENSES OF 17,777,000. UH, SO, UH, THAT, INCLUDING THOSE ONE-TIME DECISION PACKAGES, UH, WE WENT OVER, WE DO HAVE SOME CASH FUNDED CAPITAL PROJECTS HERE FOR SOME, UH, WATER METER UPGRADES AND, UH, THE ADDISON CIRCLE TOWER DRIVEWAY AREA. SO OVERALL EXPENSES, 19,654,000, UH, LEAVES US WITH WORKING CAPITAL OF OVER 7.7 MILLION, OR ABOUT 43.4% OF OUR, UH, OPERATING EXPENSES, UH, IN RESERVE. AND THEN OUR STORM WATER FUND, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UH, DECISION PACKAGES FOR THIS FUND. UH, FOR THIS YEAR. UH, NO RATE INCREASES ARE PROPOSED, UH, ON STORMWATER CHARGES IN YOUR, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS WELL. UH, SO OVERALL, UH, OPERATING REVENUE, 2,851,000, UH, OPERATING EXPENSES, 2,842,000. AND AS WE KIND OF WENT OVER THROUGH THE, UH, BUDGET PROCESS, UH, THERE'S A TRANSFER TO THE DEBT SERVICE FUND. SO THE, THE STORMWATER FUND IS HELPING SERVICE, UH, DEBT THAT'S ISSUED, UH, RELATED TO IMPR RELATED TO IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. SO THAT LEAVES US WITH $3,675,000 IN EXPENSES, UH, BUT LEAVES US WITH $7.7 MILLION IN, UH, ENDING RESERVES. WE'RE ABOUT 271.6% OF OUR, UH, OPERATING EXPENSES. AND THEN OVERALL, A STAFFING SUMMARY, AS I WENT OVER IN A PREVIOUS SLIDE, WE ONLY HAD ONE, UH, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. UH, SO GOING FROM 324.6, UH, EMPLOYEES TO 325.6 IN THAT, UH, THAT ONE INCREASE WAS IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. AND THEN SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND. SO THESE ARE DECISION PACKAGES THAT ARE GONNA BE ONE TIME IN NATURE FROM MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SET ASIDE TO, UH, PAY FOR PROJECTS ON A ONE TIME BASIS. SO THERE'S SEVERAL THERE. WE'VE GONE OVER THESE SEVERAL TIMES. SO THERE'S ABOUT $1.4 MILLION IN OVERALL, UH, ONE-TIME, UM, PROJECTS WITHIN THAT SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND THAT ARE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. UH, THE STREET SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUNDS SIMILAR TYPE CONCEPT. THESE ARE ONE-TIME FUNDS THAT, THAT ARE SET ASIDE, UH, FOR PROJECTS OF THIS TYPE. UH, SO FOUR, UH, STREETS RELATED PROJECTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, TOTALING $850,000, UH, IN THAT STREET SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUND. AND THEN WE HAVE CAPITAL INITIATIVE INITIATIVES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. UM, THOSE INCLUDE, UH, JUST OVER $3 MILLION IN EXPENDITURES, UH, IN YOUR 2026 BUDGET. BUT THE OVERALL, UH, SCOPE OF THOSE PROJECTS IS ABOUT 20 20,837,000. UH, A LOT OF THOSE, THE PRIMARY ONES ARE GONNA BE THE TAX AWAY BRAVO EXTENSION. THAT'S 90% GRANT [01:15:01] FUNDED BY THE FAA. UH, WE HAVE SOME OTHER ONES RELATED TO, UH, TAX AWAY UNIFORM. UH, THAT ONE IS, IS PRIMARILY FUNDED BY SOME GRANT FUNDING. UM, SO OVER HALF OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THIS, UH, NEW IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET ARE GRANT FUNDED. AND THEN HERE'S AN OVERALL VIEW OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, STILL IMPLEMENTING, UH, THE, THE VOTE FROM, UH, VOTERS IN 2019 RELATED TO, UH, THAT BOND THAT WAS APPROVED. BUT YOU CAN SEE A VERY AGGRESSIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, OVER $165 MILLION OF INVESTMENT, UH, PLANNED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THE 2026 BUDGET INCLUDES 35 MILLION, UH, ABOUT 320,000 IN TOTAL CAPITAL, UH, IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, PROJECTS BUDGETED. SO INFORMATION RELATED TO THE BUDGET, UH, CAN BE FOUND AT THE TOWN OF ADDISON BUDGET WEBPAGE AT THAT ADDRESS. UM, IF ADOPTED THIS EVENING, WE'LL UPDATE THE, UH, BUDGET DOCUMENT HERE WITH THE ADOPTED VERSION, AND WE'LL BE AVAILABLE, UH, FOR ANYONE TO LOOK AT. UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THAT'S WHERE, UH, FOLKS CAN LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU HAS TO BE APPROVED BY A ROLL CALL VOTE. SO ONCE A MOTION AND A SECOND IS MADE, UH, VALENCIA WILL COME UP AND SHE WILL, UH, TAKE YOUR, TAKE YOUR TEMPERATURE ON, ON THE BUDGET. THANK YOU, STEVEN. QUESTIONS? WELL, RANDY, YOU SPOKE FIRST, SO I'M, I'M WILLING TO YIELD FOR SOMEONE IF THEY WANT. ALL RIGHT, SIR, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 10 PLEASE? UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE, TURN YOUR MIC ON PLEASE. THANK YOU. TODAY LOOKING AT THE, UH, PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, LET'S SEE, WHERE IS IT UP THERE? UH, THE ADDISON RIGHT HERE. SECOND LINE. THERE WE GO. THE ADDISON, WHEN THEY CAME TO US AND THEY, THEY HAD THREE PROJECTS, BASICALLY. THEY WANTED TO SPACE THOSE OUT IN THREE YEARS, I'M SORRY, MIGHT NOT COMING THROUGH. WANTED TO SPACE THOSE OUT IN THREE YEARS. AND FOR SOME REASON, WE, WE WENT WITH LET'S DO 'EM ALL TOGETHER. MM-HMM . UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SPACE THOSE PROJECTS OUT FOR, TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE, BASICALLY, THAT WE, WE BASICALLY, THE NIGHT THAT WE DECIDED TO DO THAT, THE DISCUSSION WAS IF WE DID 'EM ALL THREE TOGETHER, IT MAY, THE, THE BIDS MAY COME IN LOWER BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THREE PROJECTS AND, AND GET A BULK DISCOUNT. WELL, AS IT'S TURNED OUT, WE'VE JUST ADDED THOSE THREE TOGETHER AND GONE WITH THE SAME MONEY. SO IF, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY KIND OF, UM, BIG PROJECT DISCOUNTS, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE US BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND, AND SEPARATE THOSE, UH, AND LET THEM PICK THE ONE THAT THEY MOST WANT TO DO THIS YEAR AND THEN LOOK AT GOING FORWARD OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, AND I KNOW IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THAT IS, WHAT IS THAT, UH, $967. BUT THE ONE, THE DECISION PACKAGES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS ONE TIME DECISION PACKAGE LINE. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A RECURRING ITEM THAT WOULD RIGHT. I I THOUGHT THAT NUMBER I WAS LOOKING AT YES. WAS HIGHER THAN I THOUGHT. SO 685,000 OF THAT 7 85 IS RELATED TO THE FORMER PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. AND, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE GIVEN ANOTHER 385,000 SOMETHING TO WATER TOWER THEATER. AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN WHAT'S LISTED FOR THE ADDISON. AND THAT, SO THE, THE 967,190 IS BOTH WATER TOWER THEATER GRANT AND THE, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER? NO, IT, THIS WOULD BE THE, THE GRANTS, THE OPERATING EXPENSES, THE STAFF THAT WORK AT THE ADDISON. UM, SO, SO THESE ARE RECURRING EXPENSES. WE SEPARATE THESE SO THAT IT DOESN'T SKEW THE SKEW THE WAY THESE LOOK, SO THAT THESE SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK YEAR TO YEAR AND SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THERE'S NOT ANY CRAZY JUMPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY ONE TIME ITEMS ARE LISTED SEPARATELY. SO THIS IS THEIR RECURRING BUDGET PLUS 685,000 OF THAT ONE TIME MONEY, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE THAT CUT UP IN THE THIRDS. LIKE THEY BASICALLY PRESENTED IT TO US, UH, WANTING TO DO THIS OVER THREE YEARS, MAKE IT MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. IF WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY BENEFIT FROM DOING 'EM ALL THREE TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD WANT TO COME IN HERE AND, AND SPEND A BIG WAD OF MONEY, UH, AT ONE TIME ON THAT. WELL, THEY PREPARED THE BUDGET BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL GAVE THEM. THAT'S WHY IT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKE THAT. AND YOU COULD, YOU COULD LIKELY ASSUME TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S [01:20:01] ALL GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THAT'S KINDA THE WAY THINGS ROLL. THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THINGS ROLL. AND THIS IS ALL PAID FROM THE HOTEL FUND. IT'S NOT GENERAL FUND MONEY. ALSO. I, I KNOW YOU SAY THAT MANY TIMES, BUT THAT'S STILL TAX MONEY. IT'S STILL TAX MONEY I'LL ADD. SO, SO WE DIDN'T, SO THESE HAVEN'T BEEN BID YET, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ECONOMIES OF SCALE RELATED TO, UH, COMBINING ALL OF THESE IN ONE YEAR. UH, IF THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT STILL, BUT JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, WE DID JUST TAKE THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WAS LISTED FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE YEARS AND PUT THEM IN ONE YEAR. BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT BIDDING THEM ALL AS ONE PACKAGE WOULD, WOULD GENERATE SOME SAVINGS FROM SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE, LIKE TRADES BEING INVOLVED AT THE THEATER CENTER AT THE SAME TIME AND NOT BEING THERE FOR THREE SEPARATE YEARS. I, I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING WAS YOU WERE GONNA GO BACK AND, AND COME BACK TO US WITH THAT POSSIBLE, THAT POSSIBILITY THAT IT, THAT IT WOULD BE A BETTER PACKAGE. WELL, THIS IS JUST A BUDGET. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU WITH ACTUAL CONTRACTS AND BIDS AND, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE ANY KIND OF SAVINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS COMING FROM ONE TYPE FUNDS. LOWERING THAT $30,000 DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. IT'S JUST COMING FROM FUND BALANCE. STEVEN, YOU HAVE THAT LIST, ANDY. 'CAUSE I, I REMEMBER IT WAS PRESENTED TO US OVER SEVERAL YEARS. WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WELL, SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS INVOLVED. PLUMBING MIGHT MAKE SENSE IF WE JUST GET ONE PLUMBER TRADE OUT THERE, ALL OF SOME COST SAVINGS, WHICH MAKES SENSE TO ME. DO YOU HAVE THAT LIST? I DON'T HAVE IT IN THIS PRESENTATION. UM, WE COULD PULL UP, UH, THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY. UM, I THINK AT MAYBE THE BUDGET JOB PROBABLY ASKING, AND IF IT'S TOO HARD, WE CAN JUST TALK THROUGH IT. BUT I JUST, I, I ALSO REMEMBER THEY WERE PRESENTED IN THE ORDER OF IMPORTANCE. SO I REMEMBER MICROPHONE, CHRIS , I WONDERED WHERE THAT VOICE CAME FROM. , I I COULDN'T HEAR A WORD YOU WERE SAYING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT I WANNA CATCH THE BACK HALF. I'M SORRY, DAN. UM, I, I REMEMBER THOUGH, THEY WERE ALSO PRESENTED TO US, UM, YOU KNOW, BY LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE AND SEATING WAS NUMBER ONE. UM, AND I THINK SEATING WAS, WAS IN THE SECOND YEAR. SO I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE, UM, ONE RESTROOMS. RESTROOMS WERE, THANK YOU, BILL. WERE YEAR ONE. UM, AND THEN I THINK THE SEATING ELEMENT WAS IN YEAR TWO, AND THEN I THINK THERE WERE SOME MORE RESTROOM IMPROVEMENTS IN YEAR THREE. YEAH, YEAH. SO I, I CAN REMEMBER A PLUMBING AND THEN MAYBE IT WAS SEATING AND THEN BACK TO AN ENHANCED BAR AND, AND MAYBE UP GRADE OF THE RESTROOM. SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRADES OUT THERE TO GET 'EM THERE ALL AT ONCE, I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT THOSE BIDS LOOK LIKE. UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE BE A WAY THAT AS THOSE BIDS COME THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN USE THIS AS A PLACEHOLDER AND, AND FUND ACCORDINGLY. I MEAN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS. YOU, YOU ALL ARE GONNA APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT COMES FORWARD. SO WHEN WE BRING 'EM FORWARD, WE CAN BRING 'EM FORWARD AS OPTIONS. AND IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO DO SOMETHING OR DO SOMETHING, THAT'S YOUR DECISION AT THAT TIME. SO JUST TO ADD TO IT, SO THERE'S BEEN PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, WITH POTENTIAL CONTRACTOR. THEY ESTIMATE ABOUT A 10% REDUCTION ON THE CONSTRUCTION PART. NOW SOME OF THOSE ITEMS WERE NOT CONSTRUCTION RELATED, LIKE THE SEATING ELEMENT. UM, SO WE'D ESTIMATE THAT MAYBE 30 TO $40,000 OF THAT TOTAL WOULD, WOULD BE REDUCED. UM, BUT AS DAVID SAID, IT'S JUST A PLAN AT THIS POINT. SO HOPEFULLY IF WE WENT FORWARD WITH ALL OF THESE, THEN YOU WOULD REALIZE SOME OF THOSE SAVINGS. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE CONTRACTOR RIGHT NOW. I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN. OKAY. SO YEAH, SOME OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON IT WAS, WAS WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY ANYWAY AND, UH, THAT'S AN INVESTMENT IN, IN THE THEATER. SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUICE THE THEATER TO MAKE IT A, A BETTER PRODUCT THAT WE CAN HAVE. UM, AND DOING IT SOONER THAN LATER WOULD GET EVERYTHING IN SHAPE SOONER. UH, WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SIGNIFICANT TRACTION ON IT. WE'VE GOT OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE, ARE ALREADY SECOND COMPANIES THERE. SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS. WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY ANYWAY. IT'S IN THE FUND BALANCE. IT'S NOT FUNNY MONEY. I'M, I'M PRETTY, I'M VERY FRUGAL MYSELF, BUT I'M, I'M REALLY, UM, A PRO INVESTMENT AND THIS IS AN INVESTMENT. SO WE INVESTED IN THE THEATER, GET IT DONE SOONER THAN LATER, AND WE REALIZED THE RETURN ON OUR MONEY SOONER THAN LATER. THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS. AND THAT'S, I I FIRMLY STAND BEHIND THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS 6 85, BUT I MAY BE WRONG. IT IT, IT WAS 6 85. THERE'S ANOTHER DECISION PACKAGE FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RELATED TO THE WORLD CUP EVENT. OKAY, I GOT THAT. SO THE TOTAL OF THOSE TWO ARE 7 85. I'M ALL ON BOARD WITH DOING IT NOW, GET IT DONE. UM, FUND BALANCE IS STILL VERY STRONG. IT'S, UH, PRUDENT, IT'S HEALTHY AND GET IT DONE. INVEST IN, LET'S MOVE ON, MAKE [01:25:01] THAT THEATER, UM, ALL THAT IT CAN BE HOWARD. SO I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, I AGREED THAT WE COMBINE 'EM AND DO IT SOONER. I WAS ON BOARD WITH THAT, BUT I DID THINK THAT THE NUMBER WAS GONNA GO LOWER BECAUSE OF IT WITH THE PLUMBING AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE, LIKE WHAT CHRIS SAID. SO, AND YOU JUST ANSWERED THE OTHER QUESTION ON WHERE IS THAT OTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND NOW? AND I REMEMBER THAT, UH, THE WORLD CUP. SO WHEN WE HAVE THINGS WE PUT INTO THE BUDGET LIKE THIS, THEN AS THE YEAR GOES BY AND WE BRING A, A PROPOSAL OR THE, THE, THE BIDS ON THAT AND IT COMES IN AT WHATEVER THE PRICE, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, WE'RE TOLD, WELL, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT IN THE BUDGET. SO THIS IS LIKE IN THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM AT THAT POINT. AND IS THAT CORRECT? IS IT, WILL THIS COME UP AS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE APPROVE THE 6 85 AND IF WE ONLY APPROVE SIX 50, WOULD WE, WOULD IT COME AS SO THAT'S A LOWER, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE, THE SOLE CRITERIA. AND WHAT WE DECIDE GOES IN CONSENT AGENDA. REALLY IT'S BASED ON THE, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. UNLESS IT'S A NORMAL ROUTINE THING. SAY IT'S, WE PURCHASE THE SAME KIND OF WATER SERVICE EVERY SINGLE YEAR. WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ON CONSENT. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A, EVERY YEAR WE DO THIS, BUT A ONE-OFF PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNT, WE WOULD ALWAYS PUT THAT ON IC, ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. AND JUST TO BE COUNSEL CAN ALWAYS PULL ANYTHING OFF CONSENTED INTO ANY MOMENT. RIGHT, RIGHT. I KNOW WE CAN, WE JUST SEEM TO PUSH THE CONSENT. I MEAN WE CAN STOP 'EM. I UNDERSTAND. I JUST THOUGHT IF THAT NUMBER INSTEAD OF 6 85 WAS SIX 50 OR SIX 40, THAT THERE WAS SOME, UM, ECONOMY OF SCALE FOR DOING IT ALL AT ONE TIME. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD PROJECTED IN THOSE SECOND AND THIRD YEAR INFLATION, WHICH WE, BY DOING IT SOONER, WE ELIMINATE THE INFLATION. SO I THOUGHT THE NUMBERS SHOULD COME DOWN TOO BECAUSE IT WAS 6 85, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED OVER THREE YEARS. IS IT POSSIBLE TO LOWER IT OR YOU DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT? WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS. IS THAT WHAT THIS I DON'T, I DON'T THINK FUNCTIONALLY IT CHANGES MUCH. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, YOU'RE, THIS IS COUNCIL'S DECISION. YEAH. I DON'T WHAT YOU REALLY ACCOMPLISH BY LOWERING IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT TAX RATE. IT COMES OUT OF, COMES OUTTA THE FUND BALANCE. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOWER NUMBER. . WELL, WE'RE GONNA BRING THIS PROJECT IN AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE NUMBER. SO WHETHER THE BUDGET 6 85 OR SIX 50 OR OR WHATEVER THE BUDGET IS, DOES THE CONTRACTOR SEE THIS NUMBER? I MEAN, WE'RE ALL OPEN AND LOOK, IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO IT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION. PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO THEY COULD UM, I THINK YOU GENERALLY SEE THAT ON REALLY LARGE PROJECTS AND MAYBE NOT SMALLER PROJECTS SUCH AS AS THIS, BUT UM, THEY CERTAINLY COULD. WELL I'D JUST RATHER THEY SAW A SMALLER NUMBER 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL AFFECT THEIR PROPOSAL. BUT THAT'S, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LIKELY WILL BE, WOULD BE COMPETING AGAINST OTHER CONTRACTORS. SO THAT'S, THEY MINDFUL OF THAT TOO. SO IF I COULD JUST, SO THE A REASON TO BE CONSERVATIVE, WE'LL DO WHATEVER DOESN'T MATTER TOO MUCH. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE REASON TO BE CONSERVATIVE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE-TIME PROJECTS, IT'S, WE WANNA SAY, HEY, WE WANNA BUDGET UP TO THIS AMOUNT. IT'S ULTIMATELY COUNCILS THE DECISION. WE, IF WE BRING IT BACK AND IT'S 6 85, Y'ALL COULD STILL SAY, HEY, THAT'S, WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND SAY NO, BUT SAY WE BUMP IT DOWN 30,000 AND IT COMES BACK AT 6 65, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT ALONG WITH THE CONTRACT. SO IT'S JUST EASIER IF WE'RE MORE CONSERVATIVE IN WHAT WE BUDGET, THE BUDGET'S JUST A PLAN. IT'S NOT COMMITTING FUNDS. IT'S NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO SPEND THAT. IT'S JUST A PLAN. WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK EVERYTHING AT THAT TIME. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY GO LOWER. THAT'S JUST THE REASON THAT YOU TRY TO STAY CONSERVATIVE WHEN YOU DO ESTIMATES FOR ONE TIME PROJECTS. OKAY. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE LOWER AND IT ISN'T AND I'M NOT GONNA DIE ON THIS HILL. I GOT ANOTHER HILL I WANT TO DIE ON. SO I'M OKAY WITH IT. OKAY. MARLON, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OH, I THINK THINK WE COVERED IT ALL. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE DIDN'T COVER IS, IS THE THOUGHT THAT A NICER, UH, A NICER VENUE, A NICER ENVIRONMENT WOULD, UH, WOULD HELP CREATE MORE REVENUE. OKAY. DAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I JUST, I THINK I, I WAS A PART OF THAT QUESTION, UH, INITIALLY WHEN IT CAME UP ABOUT USING THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE MULTIPLE PLUMBING SERVICES THAT WE WOULD GET A BETTER RATE ON CONTRACT SERVICES. I GUESS THE, TO HOWARD'S POINT, OR TO RANDY'S POINT OR ANYONE'S POINT, I'M ASSUMING THE SAME WAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SAVINGS BY BULKING THIS UP AND GETTING THOSE QUOTES. IF WE CAN MAYBE DO A BETTER JOB OF REPORTING BACK TO COUNCIL ONCE WE GET THE BIDS. UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW THEIR RFPS WILL GO OUT AND I KNOW THERE'LL BE COMPETITIVE BIDS REGARDLESS IF WE SHARE THE NUMBER PUBLICLY OR NOT. ON A BUDGET OF 6 40, 6 80 OR EVEN 700,000, I KNOW THAT THE TOWN STAFF'S GONNA GRIND DOWN ON CONTRACTORS TO GET THE BEST PRICE. THAT'S BILL HAWLEY'S CUP OF TEA. SO I'M ALL FOR IT. UM, I, I SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHERE RANDY WAS COMING FROM, OF BREAKING IT APART, BUT NOW THAT [01:30:01] I'M UNDERSTANDING THE, THE GRASP OF THE WHOLE PROJECT, SAME THING. I'M, I'M, I'M FOR THE PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS 'CAUSE I WANNA SEE THAT THEATER ACTIVATED MORE NOW THAN THREE YEARS FROM NOW. THANK YOU DAN. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION. SO THIS, THIS WILL BE A BID PROCESS. IT WON'T BE, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT, UH, PREFERRED VENDORS ON, ON THINGS. SO THIS WILL BE A COMPETITIVE BID PROJECT. IT WON'T JUST GO TO A PREFERRED VENDOR. WE WILL HAVE A COMPETITIVE PROCESS. CORRECT. PERFECT. OKAY. ON THE CONSENT AS AGENDA ITEMS, AS THESE THINGS COME THROUGH OR CONSENT OR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, UH, WE NORMALLY GET THE BUDGETED ITEM, THE ITEM THAT WE APPROVED ON THE BUDGET. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE ON WHERE IT COMES IN. UM, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO SEE ALL AS WELL. SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO, AND I'M ALWAYS PUSHING ON THE BACKGROUND, ON THE AGENDA TO HAVE, WHEN WE APPROVED IT, HOW MUCH WE APPROVED AND OTHER, UH, BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT HELPS US BRING US BACK INTO WHAT WE WERE THINKING AT THIS TIME WHEN WE COME BACK TO IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE, WE FORGET SOMETIMES WHAT WE DECIDED BACK IN THIS PERIOD, WHENEVER WE'RE APPROVING THINGS IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THIS OR ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE? ABOUT, ABOUT THIS, THIS ITEM AGENDA ITEM ITEM FIVE A. OH, I HAVE HAVE SOMETHING. SURE, HOWARD. OKAY. I BROUGHT IT UP LAST WEEK AND I'M SORRY, I STILL HAVE HEARTBURN. I HAVE TO BRING IT UP AGAIN. THE $300,000 CONSULTING FEE AT, UH, I GUESS IT'S ON PAGE 19TH. I, I I THINK THAT NUMBER IS ATROCIOUS. AND LAST WEEK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, I THINK BECKY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A SURVEYOR TO DECIDE IF IT'S M-A-A-M-A-M-A-A. IS THAT RIGHT? MAA OR TOWN OF ADDISON. AND I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ABOUT THAT, AND I'M NOT GONNA NAME ANY NAMES, BUT SOMEONE SAID, DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN OUR RECORDS AT THE TOWN? ARE WE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE? AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH A SURVEYOR COSTS, BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, I FELT LIKE MAYBE SOMEONE ON STAFF COULD DO SOME OF THIS WORK. AND I, I GOT ALL THE PUSHBACK AND I GOT ALL THE ANSWERS OF WE NEED STRUCTURAL OR WE NEED PLUMBING AND WE NEED ELECTRICAL AND, AND WE NEED THE SURVEYOR AND ALL THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT. BUT TO ME, $300,000 TO GET A CONSULTANT, I THINK IS A WASTE. I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE MONEY. AND I, I THINK I, AND I'M WILLING TO VOLUNTEER MY SERVICES AS A RESIDENT, NOT ON COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD GO THERE AND PHOTOGRAPH EVERY SINGLE TREE AND GET 700 PAGES OF EVERY TREE THAT'S IN THAT CIRCLE DISTRICT AND WHAT CONDITION THEY'RE IN. PUT IT TOGETHER IN A BOOK, MAKE FOUR COPIES OF IT AND GIVE IT TO LANDSCAPE PEOPLE THAT DON'T CHARGE FOR THEIR SERVICE AS FAR AS CONSULTING AND JUST LET THEM COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL, GET THREE PROPOSALS TO FIX IT AND SPEND THAT MONEY FIXING IT INSTEAD OF GETTING A CONSULTANT. I JUST THINK WE SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY ON CONSULTANTS AND THAT NUMBER IS GIVING ME AWFUL HEARTBURN. SO I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME. THIS IS NOT JUST FOR THE TREE WELLS, THIS IS FOR THE PAVERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE TERM CONSULTING, BUT AS WE'VE TALKED, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENGINEERS GOING OUT AND DOING WORK. THIS ISN'T JUST A CONSULTANT COMING IN GIVING US OPINIONS. SO IT'S FINE TO BE AGAINST IT. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. CAN WE, CAN WE NOT HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME FIX THE PAVERS WITHOUT HAVING TO GET A CONSULTANT TO TELL US THAT WE NEED TO FIX 'EM? WELL HAVE BACK, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S ALL, WHAT ALL IS THERE WHEN YOU GOT THE PAVER, YOU COULD GO TAKE HUNDREDS OF PICTURES AND DIAGRAM, DO IT AND MAKE YOUR BOOK OR WHATEVER. BUT UNTIL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, THEN SO THEN WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE PAVERS THAT ARE THERE TO, TO DO THE WHOLE PROJECT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIGGER SCOPE THAN JUST TAKING PICTURES AND DRAWING DIAGRAMS ALSO WHOSE PROPERTY WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. AND YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUAL SURVEYS OF ALL THOSE. WE, WE HAVE PLAS, BUT THAT'S NOT AS, AS, AS PRECISE AS THE SURVEY'S GONNA BE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE RECORDS TO SHOW WHERE OUR PROPERTY ENDS AND MAA STARTS. THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM. NOT AT THE SURVEY LA LAYER. NO. BECKY OR DAVID COULD ONE OF US, THIS IS MY HILDA DIE. WELL, I MEAN WE, I FEEL LIKE WE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH. I I I AGREE. AND I JUST, I I'M SORRY. IT'S JUST, I THINK, I THINK WE COULD DO THAT. HOW DO WE LET THEM BUILD AND NOT KNOW WHERE OUR LINES ARE? HOW, HOW DO WE NOT KNOW WHERE ADDISON [01:35:01] STARTS AND STOPS AND THE OTHER COMPANY STARTS AND STOPS. EACH PROPERTY OWNER GETS A SURVEY, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET THAT SURVEY. THEY, THEY OWN THAT SURVEY 'CAUSE THEY PAID FOR IT. WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO HOWARD, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, RIGHT? I DO AND I'VE HEARD IT MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT'S A VALID QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR JANA OR BECKY, BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE DANGER IF WE JUST TOOK ON A PROJECT AND DIDN'T HIRE SOMEONE TO TELL US EXACTLY HOW IT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS SITUATION? I THINK THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. YES, WE HAVE PLATS THAT SHOW THE LOCATIONS OF THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURES AND WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN DESIGNED WITH THOSE BUILDING PLANS. WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY PLANS THAT SHOW WHERE THE ROADWAY NETWORK IS UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT I THINK THE DANGER TO YOUR POINT IS, IS NOT KNOWING EXACTLY ON THE GROUND WHAT IS PHYSICALLY THERE AND REPLACING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY OR NOT REPLACING IT TO THE LEVEL OF WHICH, UM, MAINTAINS THAT INTEGRITY AND INCREASES THE LIFESPAN. WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS, IS TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL SCOPE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THAT ENTIRE DISTRICT AND SEE WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITION IS THE SURVEY OF. IT'S NOT JUST A PHYSICAL SURVEY WITH AN RPLS GOING OUT TO DO A BOUNDARY SURVEY TO KNOW WHERE EVERY SINGLE NOOK AND CRANNY IS. EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY LINE. IT'S ALSO A TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY TO LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS. SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS CHANGE BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO IMPLEMENT A DA CONSIDERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT ALONG WITH THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, LIGHTING IF ANY OF THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. SO IT'S A BIGGER SCOPE THAN JUST LOOKING AT TREE WELLS OR JUST PAVERS. BUT THIS IS ALSO NOT JUST REPLACING WHAT'S THERE. IT'S ABOUT MAYBE DOING THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. RIGHT. DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT RIPPING PAVERS OUT, PUTTING CONCRETE DOWN AND THEN PUTTING PAVERS BACK ON TOP OF THAT CONCRETE SO MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN? ABSOLUTELY. SO THE OVERALL GOAL OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE TO INCREASE THE LIFESPAN AND THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY INSTALLED. THE WAY MANY OF THE AREAS CURRENTLY INSTALLED IS JUST THE PAVER SITTING DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THE SOIL. AND SO AS WE MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING, THE ROOTS THAT HAVE GROWN IN THOSE AREAS ARE CHARGING, CAUSING, CAUSING, EXCUSE ME, SOME OF THE BRICKS TO ACTUALLY HEAVE OR, UH, COME UP WHICH ACTUALLY CAUSES CONCERNS. IT CAN BE A TRIP HAZARD, ET CETERA. SO THE OVERALL GOAL WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS A CONCRETE SLEEPER SLAB WHERE THERE ISN'T A CONCRETE SLEEPER SLAB AND MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE OVERALL THE CONCRETE PROVIDES THE STABILITY THAT THEN THE BRICK PAVER CAN GO ON, WHICH INCREASES THE LONGEVITY OF THE OVERALL PROJECT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IF WE WERE JUST REPAVING THE PAVERS, WOULD IT, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WE, WE DON'T DO THE STUDY IF WE JUST WANTED TO GO OUT THERE AND PUT A BANDAID ON IT AND PUT PAVERS, WE MAYBE THERE WERE LIFTED UP. WOULD YOU RECOMMEND OR WOULD YOU SO THAT'S WHAT WE NOT DO IT. GO AHEAD DAVID. I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. WHEN WE HAD THE INITIAL DISCUSSION ON THIS, WE SAID, HEY, WE KNOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE. WE CERTAINLY CAN GO AND WE WOULD NOT NEED THIS STUDY TO GO. WE CAN GO JUST REPLACE THE PAVERS. WE'VE SAID THAT FROM THE, FROM THE BEGINNING. WHAT WE KNOW WILL HAPPEN IS IF WE TAKE THAT ROUTE, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE A MATTER OF A FEW YEARS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM AGAIN. AND THAT'S JUST GONNA BE A CYCLE THAT WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH. SO THAT IS, THAT IS THE OTHER ROUTE WE CAN GO WITH THIS. WHAT WITH THE CONVERSATION WE HAD PREVIOUSLY AND WHERE WE ARE NOW IS TRYING TO HAVE A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION. COULD, COULD WE NOT, CAN I GIVE DAN AN OPPORTUNITY HERE PLEASE? OF COURSE. DAN. UNMUTE PLEASE. THANK YOU. SO THE QUESTION I ASK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DAMAGE BECKY THAT IS, THAT HAS BEEN DONE OR THIS REPEATED DAMAGE THAT GETS DONE TO PAVERS AND OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVING THE CORRECT SLABS AS A STARTING POINT FROM A LAYMAN, WHERE DOES THAT TYPICALLY COME FROM? IS IT BIG RIGS DRIVING OVER IT? IS IT UPS TRUCKS DRIVING OVER THESE REPEATEDLY? IS IT DARK BUSES DRIVING OVER THIS REPEATEDLY? WHAT CAUSES THE DAMAGE TO BEGIN WITH? IS IT JUST SIMPLE TRAFFIC VEHICLE TRAFFIC? UM, ACTUALLY SIR, THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS REALLY WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS LOCATED. AND THE REASON FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE BRICKS HEAVING IS ACTUALLY THE TREE ROOT SYSTEM BECAUSE, UM, THE TREE ROOT SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY GROWING AND CAUSING THE BRICKS TO HEAVE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO BY PROVIDING THAT OVERALL SLEEPER SLAB AND THAT CONCRETE FOUNDATION AND ALSO ELIMINATING SOME OF THOSE TRUE TREE ROOTS, BUT WHILE STILL PROTECTING THE TREE ITSELF WILL HELP ELIMINATE THAT SITUATION OR DEFINITELY DECREASE THE OVERALL HEAVING AND CONCERN THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SEEING. [01:40:02] OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. YES SIR. GOOD. SO WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS I KIND OF SUBSCRIBED, IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT. SOME OF THE PAVERS ARE PERFECTLY FINE. I WOULDN'T LIFT THEM UP TO PUT CONCRETE UNDER 'EM TO PUT 'EM BACK DOWN. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THIS PLAN WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY BUCKLED, BY ALL MEANS WE SHOULD TAKE 'EM UP, PUT A CONCRETE SLAB AND PUT THE BRICKS BACK DOWN SO THEY DON'T LIFT UP AGAIN THERE. BUT WE CAN SEE THAT WE DON'T NEED A CONSULTANT TO COME TELL US THESE ARE BAD, THEY'RE ALREADY STICKING UP. I JUST THINK WHOEVER'S GONNA ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, IF WE'RE GONNA SUB THAT OUT OR TALK TO CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, HAVE THEM COME OUT AND ASSESS THE AREA AND GIVE US A BID TO FIX IT AND PAY TO FIX IT INSTEAD OF PAY 300,000 FOR SOMEONE TO TELL US WE NEED TO FIX IT. THAT I I KNOW I'M NOT GETTING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S AND I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T MEAN TO BE SO DENSE THAT'S, I JUST, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER AND WE COULD GET A LOT OF RESULTS INSTEAD OF JUST A REPORT. UM, WHAT I WOULD MENTION IS, IS THAT THIS A VERY LARGE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF AREA THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT AND WE RECENTLY DID SOME REPAIRS. I MENTIONED THIS, UH, LAST MEETING THAT WERE IN YOUR FRIDAY REPORT. JUST A VERY SMALL SECTION COST THE TOWN JUST A LITTLE UNDER $20,000 TO DO A REPAIR. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT MAY VISIBLY LOOK LIKE THERE'S SOME BRICKS TODAY THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY DAMAGED OR CAUSING THAT HEAVING. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS IT'S A VICIOUS CYCLE OF BEING REPETITIVE, OF GOING OUT AND HAVING TO REPLACE OVER AND OVER WITHOUT ACTUALLY FIXING THE ISSUE IN A MORE PERMANENT PERSPECTIVE AND INCREASING THE LONGEVITY OF THE OVERALL BRICK SYSTEM. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSE. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? MAY I JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION IF I COULD, BECKY, UM, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT A ONE YEAR PROGRAM. CAN YOU KIND OF REMIND US OF HOW LONG THIS, THIS PROJECT MIGHT, MIGHT GO ON? SURE. UM, SO PART OF WHAT THE OVERALL DESIGN PROFESSIONAL WILL EVALUATE IS LOOKING AT PHASING THAT PROJECT. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT COULD TAKE AS LONG AS FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW THEY BREAK IT UP. AND REALLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT BASED ON A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE THAT COUNCIL WOULD WANT US TO BRING FORWARD. UM, IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE PIECE OF, UH, OF FINANCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED. UM, IF WE DO THIS WITH THE CONCRETE SLEEPER SLAB. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. IT'S ALSO NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN ALL BE COMPLETED IN ONE YEAR. UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TAKE A NUMBER OF YEARS AND A PROGRAMMATIC, UM, PERSPECTIVE. AND IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW COUNCIL MEETINGS BACK WHEN I BROUGHT THAT FORWARD, THERE WERE LOTS OF DIFFERENT COLORS OF PAPERS. AND SO THEY WILL COME UP WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT THAT SHOWS SECTIONS AND PHASES AND HOW THAT CAN ALL BE COMPLETED IN A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH. OKAY. SO WE MIGHT SEE THAT ASSESSMENT, UH, AS A ONE TIME, WHATEVER THAT ENDS UP BEING. YES SIR. UM, BUT THESE OTHER, OTHER FIGURES, WE MAY BE LOOKING AT THESE FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS. THAT WOULD BE WHAT I'D ANTICIPATE, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. YES. OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT. SO THIS, THIS IS MORE OF A, A LONG TERM HOLISTIC, UM, UH, PLAN, UH, OF, OF THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING HERE VERSUS A PIECEMEAL PLAN. SO THE PIECEMEAL WOULD BE JUST FINDING THE BRICKS THAT ARE, UM, HEAVED UP, FIXING THOSE BRICKS INDIVIDUALLY AS WE GO AND TALKING ABOUT THE INVENTORY. I, I'VE, I'VE FOUND IN WHAT I'VE SEEN ON THE COUNCIL AND OTHER CONSTRUCTION IS ONCE IT'S BUILT, UM, GOOD LUCK AT WHERE THINGS ACTUALLY ARE. AND THEN, UH, THIS, SO THIS WOULD BE INVENTORYING ALL THE STUFF THAT'S OUT THERE. 'CAUSE IT'S MORE THAN JUST BRICKS. IT'S, IT'S THE ELECTRICAL, IT'S THE LIGHTING, IT'S THE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO TO ME, THIS IS LIKE DOING, DOING A MORE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE, UH, STUDY OF A 30-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. AND SO I THINK OF IT THAT WAY, IF WE WANT TO GO AND SEE WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE IN FOR, FOR FIXING MANY OF THESE THINGS, OR IF NOT MOST OF THEM, UM, NOT JUST PAVERS, THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT. THIS GIVES US A PLAN TO DO IT. I I'VE SEEN NEIGHBORING TOWNS REPAIR STREETS AND THEY REPAIR JUST, UH, PARTS OF STREETS. AND SO THE WHOLE STREET WE WENT IN AND REPLACED ALL OF MIDWAY BECAUSE WE HAD TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS. ALSO, UTILITY SPECIFICALLY. SO THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF THAT APPROACH. IT'S IT'S A LONGER TERM IF YOU THINK THAT'S THE WAY ADDISON DOES THINGS. IT'S MORE LONGER TERM, UH, CAPITAL, UH, TAKE CARE OF THINGS. SO, UM, LET ME JUST ASK, UH, IS THAT, IS THAT KIND OF THE, THE PLAN ON THIS? YES SIR. SO, UM, I MIGHT BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE FIRST ITEM THAT SHOWS THE $200,000, THE ONE-TIME COST, UM, THAT'S PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR FOR US TO START ATTACKING SOME OF THOSE TRULY PROBLEMATIC AREAS RIGHT NOW AS THE ASSESSMENT IS BEING WORKED THROUGH. AND THEN YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT. THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT AND THE COMPLETION OF THAT WILL [01:45:01] HELP US PLAN EFFECTIVELY SO THAT WE CAN PUT THAT IN A CAPITAL PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO BE AN ANNUAL INCREASE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE YEAR WITH SECTIONS OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE REPLACED SIMILAR TO YOU SEE, UM, ON SOME OF THE ROADWAY NETWORKS THAT WE DO CAPITAL PLANS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. YES SIR. SORRY, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU DO WANNA PUT THIS CONCRETE UNDER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE PAVERS, NOT JUST WHERE THE BRAVO AREAS ARE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE THE CONSULTANT LOOK AT. OVERALL, WHAT WE SEE, UM, AND WHAT HAS BEEN STUDIED IS THAT THE ACTUAL CONCRETE SLAB, AND IT IS LOCATED ALREADY IN SOME OF THE AREAS OUT THERE, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'LL FIND THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT, BUT THAT ACTUALLY DOES PROLONG THE LIFESPAN OF THE BRICK PAVERS. SO IT WILL BE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT WILL COME FROM THE CONSULTANT TO PUT THAT IN ALL OF THE AREAS. NOW THERE MAY BE SOME AREAS WHERE THEY SAY, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED THIS IN THIS AREA BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TREES IN THIS AREA AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT. UM, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A TREE ROOT SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA CAUSE THAT TO HEBE. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT WILL DO FOR US. OKAY. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. SO WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET THE, UH, WE'LL SEE THIS COME THROUGH BEFORE THE MONEY SPENT ABSOLUTELY. FOR THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS $300,000. YES. WE'LL SEE THAT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE SCOPE IS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOURS IS AND WHAT ARE AND WHAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR OUR MONEY. AND IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT'S THE WAY WE WANNA SPEND OUR MONEY, THEN WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION. YES SIR. YOU WILL SEE IT COME THROUGH COUNSEL. THANK YOU. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FOR STEVEN? THANK YOU. BECKY? YES. OKAY, WERE YOU DONE WITH US, STEVEN? FOR NOW? I'M DONE IF YOU'RE DONE FOR, FOR THE MOMENT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WE STILL GOT BUDGET STUFF WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. WELL, I I JUST ASKED IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD ANY COMMENTS. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PAVERS. I WAS NOT, I WAS NOT. I HAVE NOT BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PAVERS. I APOLOGIZE FOR MISUNDERSTANDING. WE HAVE MORE BUDGET STUFF WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. LET'S GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOING BACK TO THE, UH, BATH, THE OUTDOOR BATHROOMS AT THE A, A C, THE $300,000, WHICH I, I THINK THE COST OF THE BATHROOMS WERE 2 25. WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE A BREAKDOWN IN MAYBE ALTERNATE PLANS, MULTIPLE PLANS THAT WE WE CAN CHOOSE FROM. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE YET. ARE WE GOING TO, ARE WE GONNA SEE THOSE AND, UH, UH, I THAT'S GONNA BE BROUGHT FORWARD WHEN THE CONTRACT COMES FORWARD FOR THE REPLACEMENT? WELL THEN AT THAT POINT, IF THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEN AT THAT POINT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT, THAT WHOLE PROJECT OFF UNTIL WE SEE THAT AND PUT THE PROJECT OFF UNTIL ANOTHER TIME WHEN WE CAN COME BACK AND, AND PUT IT IN A BUDGET LATER. YES. RIGHT. RIGHT. NOW THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, WELL JUST BE CLEAR, THE PROJECT'S NOT GOING FORWARD UNLESS YOU APPROVE A CONTRACT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S STILL IN THE BUDGET FOR THE, FOR THE BUDGET. I, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT POSTPONED UNTIL IT COMES IN AND THEN WE COME BACK AND, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS. PUT IT, PUT IT OFF TILL THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT W WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT? OR CAN WE KEEP IT IN THE BUDGET AND THEN DEAL WITH IT WHEN THE UH, PROJECT COMES UP? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN THE BIDS COME BACK IN AND SEE WHAT OUR SCOPE AND ALTERNATES ARE. I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT AMOUNT IN THE BUDGET. LEAVE IT IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. I JUST WANNA SEE THE BATHROOM. I JUST WANNA SEE THE BATHROOMS DONE. I MEAN, THEY, THEY NEED IT, THEY NEEDED IT FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN, WHEN MY WIFE AND I WOULD TAKE OUR GIRLS THERE. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE $225,000 LEVEL OR AT WHAT LEVEL, BUT THEY NEED TO BE DONE. SO I WOULD PREFER TO LEAVE IT IN THERE AND THEN SEE HOW THE BIDS COME IN AND WE, WE APPROVE THE MOST APPROPRIATE BID. CHRIS MARLON, WERE YOU ON THAT? YEAH. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, AS WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES, I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL SEE IT WHEN IT, WHEN IT GETS ON OUR AGENDA. OKAY. WELL THAT ITEM WILL STAY IN THE BUDGET. 'CAUSE I'M SEEING FOUR OF US AT LEAST THAT, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT IN THE BUDGET. WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE, RANDY? UH, DAN SOMETHING FRY. I HEARD SOMETHING. WHAT, WHAT IS THE SLIDE 18 PLEASE? THE A A C ASSET MANAGEMENT NEEDS. WHAT, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THAT IS? YEAH, JANA, DO YOU WANNA, WE HAVE A LIST THAT WE HAD IN OUR, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP. JANA, IF YOU KNOW THOSE, I'M SURE YOU KNOW THOSE, SO I'LL LET YOU GO OVER THOSE. SURE. SO FOR THE A A C ASSET MANAGEMENT NEEDS, THAT'S THE REPLASTERING OF THE SURFACE OF THE INDOOR POOL. WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS THE LAST TIME, I BELIEVE COUNSEL HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON THE LONGEVITY OF THE SURFACE OF THAT POOL BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT IT HAD BEEN DONE SOMETIME OR RECENTLY. UM, I DID PROVIDE [01:50:01] SOME INFORMATION AND COUNSEL QUESTIONS PROVIDING SOME CLARITY AROUND THAT, WHERE THE PLASTER WAS NOT REDONE WITH THE RENOVATION PROJECT. IT WAS REDONE SEVERAL YEARS PRIOR. FOR A COMMERCIAL POOL, WE TYPICALLY GET ABOUT SEVEN, UM, TO 10 YEARS OUT OF A PLASTER SERVICE. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A REALLY GOOD TRACK RECORD OF GETTING CLOSE TO 10 TO 12 YEARS. THIS ONE WE GOT SIX YEARS. IT WASN'T OUR NORMAL TRACK RECORD. UM, WE ATTRIBUTE THAT TO A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE, WHEN WE DID THE RENOVATION PROJECT, THE ELECTRICAL THAT WAS UNDER THE LOCKER ROOMS WAS NOT INSTALLED PER CODE. AND THE CONTRACTOR SEVERED THE ELECTRICAL WIRES, WHICH LEFT US WITH A POOL THAT WOULDN'T RECYCLE OR REFILTER THE WATER FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL WE COULD GET THAT RECONSTRUCTED. WE FEEL LIKE THAT DID CONTRIBUTE TO THE FAST AGING OF THAT PLASTER SURFACE ON THE POOL. UM, IN THAT COUNCIL REPORT, WE ALSO INDICATED THAT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE PLASTER SURFACE DEGRADATION IS MORE AESTHETIC THAN IT IS FUNCTIONAL. UM, IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'RE GONNA KICK UP AGAINST THAT FUNCTIONAL NEED. UM, AND IF COUNCIL CHOSE TO PULL THIS OUT AND WE RIP, KIND OF DELAY THAT REPAIR, UM, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SO. THE REASON WE WERE RECOMMENDING IT NOW IS WE KNOW THAT IT'S COMING SOONER THAN LATER. AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN HAPPENING REPLASTERING POOLS, IS IT'S ALWAYS MORE EFFECTIVE TO DO IT TODAY THAN WAIT TWO YEARS BASED ON HOW POOL PRICES ARE GOING. AND DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . BUT WE CAN'T, EVERYTHING CAN'T BE BASED ON, IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MONEY WE HAVE NOW MM-HMM . AND WHAT, WHAT IS VIABLE TO DO AND THINK ABOUT THINGS TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW, UH, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE. MM-HMM . UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE OF THINGS EARLY IN THE PROCESS, YOU BROUGHT TO US A $99,000, UH, CONSULTANT FEE FOR FREE WEIGHT PLACEMENT INSIDE THE A A C THAT'S BEEN REMOVED. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT INTERNALLY. THAT IS MY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT HERE, SO I'M, I'M MM-HMM . TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT'S, IF THAT'S TRULY REMOVED, THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THE, THE, THE SAME NIGHT OF THAT, YOU BROUGHT US ALSO 200 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR LIGHTS ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE REMOVAL OF THE, THE BIG TREES IN FRONT OF THE ATHLETIC CENTER IS THAT ALSO, YOU CAN ASSURE US THAT'S BEEN REMOVED AS WELL AND THE, THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH ANOTHER SURE. WITH ANOTHER OPTION. UM, THAT NIGHT COUNSEL GAVE US DIRECTION TO NOT REMOVE THE TREES. UM, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO LEAVE THE TREES THERE. IT WAS JUST THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION WHILE WE WERE WORKING IN THAT AREA. SURE. UM, SO WE WILL LEAVE THE TREES AND THEN GENERAL SERVICES WAS ABLE TO WORK OUT A SOLUTION TO LIGHT A MAJORITY OF THE PARKING LOT. UM, NOW THAT SOLUTION DOESN'T REPLACE SOME OF THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS THAT WE HAD INCLUDED IN THERE, LIKE UPGRADING THOSE TO LEDS AND PAINTING SOME OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES THAT WEREN'T IN GOOD SHAPE. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET IS JUST THE SOLUTION THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS TO REPLACE THE LIGHTS ON THE OVERHEAD. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN THE BUDGET CORRECT. TO OKAY. TO DO ANY MORE LIGHTING WORK. I, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS REMOVED THAT NIGHT. MM-HMM . I, I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE. THANK YOU. UH, AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S SLIDE NUMBER 20, BOSKEY PARK, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO BOSKEY PARK FOR $441,000? SURE. ON BOSQUE PARK, WE'VE LOST A LOT OF THE UNDERSTORY PLANTING IN THAT PARK OVER TIME. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THAT. SOME OF IT IS JUST FROM THE HEAVY PET USE AND THE AREA. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, UM, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF SEVERE FREEZES AND THERE WAS SOME MORE, UM, KIND OF EXOTIC PLANT MATERIALS PLANTED IN THAT PARK TO STAY WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE PARK THAT COULDN'T WITHHOLD THE LOW TEMPERATURES. UM, AND SO WE HAVE PLANS TO GO INTO THE PARK, RESTORE ALL THE UNDERSTORY, IMPROVE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, WHICH THERE'S A LOT OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT'S TORN UP IN MULTIPLE PLACES BECAUSE OF TREE ROOTS, KIND OF UPROOTING THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THAT RIGHT FIRST TO PROTECT OUR INVESTMENT OF NEW PLANTS THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IN. WE'RE GONNA PUT IN PLANTS THAT CAN HANDLE THE TEMPERATURES THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING, THE LOW TEMPERATURES, AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA PUT A SMALL LITTLE DECORATIVE PLANT RAIL AROUND A LOT OF THE PLANT AREAS TO PREVENT PETS FROM GOING INTO THOSE AREAS AND BEING ABLE TO DE DEGRADE THE PLANT MATERIAL. UM, THE DEACON POST GRANITE SURFACING THAT'S OUT THERE, IF YOU GO LOOK AT IT, THE METAL EDGINGS POPPING UP AND IT'S RUSTED. THE DEACON POST METAL OR GRANITE SERVICING IS ERODED TO THE POINT THAT YOU SEE SOME DIRT COMING [01:55:01] THROUGH IT. WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THAT METAL EDGING, UM, WITH A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAT WON'T RUST, UM, AND IT WON'T AGE LIKE THE METAL EDGING HAS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO REINSTALL THE DEACON POST GRANITE. AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A BINDER IN WITH A DECOMPOSED GRANITE THAT DOESN'T BREAK DOWN. UM, AND IT'LL ALMOST TURN IT INTO A CONCRETE SURFACE SO IT DOESN'T ERODE LIKE IT HAS BEEN. THERE'S A COUPLE OF DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THE PARK THAT ARE CAUSING SOME AREAS OF LOW STANDING WATER. THERE'S SOME CONCRETE THAT HAS FAILED IN PLACES THAT IS CAUSING SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ALL OF THOSE REPAIRS. AND THEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT SAFETY IN THE PARK BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT QUALITY OUT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SAVE THE LIGHTS THAT ARE THERE, BUT REPLACE THE HEADS OF THE LIGHTS WITH LED LIGHTS THAT ARE DUAL FIXTURE SO WE CAN IMPROVE THE LIGHT LEVELS. UM, WE ACTUALLY ARE DOING THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT IN-HOUSE ON OUR OWN. WE'RE NOT HIRING A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT. UM, I DO WANNA CLARIFY, WE'RE BRINGING IN AN IRRIGATION, PRO IRRIGATION PROFESSIONAL AND A LIGHTING PROFESSIONAL TO HELP US BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE TWO PROFESSIONAL, UM, SERVICES IN HOUSE. BUT WE DO HAVE LICENSED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND IT'S A SMALLER PROJECT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO KEEP WORKING ON OUR OTHER WORKLOADS. AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. SO THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THAT BUDGET. IT'S NOT INCLUDED. OKAY. AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THE ELECTRICAL AND THE IRRIGATION PROFESSIONALS IN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CONTRACTORS THAT DO THE WORK AND, AND ARE COMING IN? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, HAVING SOMEBODY COME IN AND, AND PAY THEM TO TELL US WHAT YEP. WHAT WE NEED TO TELL AN IRRIGATION GUY? WHAT DO, SO ON THE IRRIGATION, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT OUT OR WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT OUT DESIGN BUILD WHERE WE ARE REQUIRING THE, UM, IRRIGATION PROF, IRRIGATION PROFESSIONAL THAT'S GONNA INSTALL THE WORK TO CREATE THE DESIGN PLANS FOR US AS A PART OF THEIR SCOPE. NOW FOR THE ELECTRICAL, THAT'S VERY UNIQUE AND WE ACTUALLY NEED AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER TO DO A LIGHTING STUDY. I THINK THAT'S $15,000 OUT OF THAT AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE. IT'S A VERY SMALL PART OF THE FEE. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ELECTRICAL INSTALLERS THAT DO THAT LEVEL OF WORK. UM, WE CAN GET SALESPEOPLE THAT WILL DO THAT WORK FOR US FOR FREE, BUT THEN WE'RE COMMITTED KIND OF TO USING THEIR PRODUCT AND WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THE BEST VALUE. AND SO I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD, TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT PERSON DO THE DESIGN FOR US. THEY WILL RECOMMEND THE BEST PRODUCT THAT'S NOT TIED TO A FREE SERVICE, AND THEN WE WILL BID THE COST OF THE INSTALLATION. GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE THAT GO INTO THAT AND MM-HMM . LET'S BE HONEST, THAT IS A PART THAT PEOPLE TAKE THEIR DOGS TO WALK IN. IT'S A VERY NICE PART FOR THEIR DOGS. SO WE CAN'T KEEP BLAMING DOGS FOR KILLING THINGS IF MM-HMM . I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT IS MORE DOG RESISTANT THAN, THAN SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE PRETTIER. SO MM-HMM . AND KNOW GOING FORWARD WHAT THE THING IS. AND YOU GOT A KIND OF A BLANK SLATE NOW TO DO THAT WITH. YEP. AND THAT'S PART OF OUR INITIAL THINKING. SO WE HAD TO PUT A BUDGET TOGETHER OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS THAT WE WILL DESIGNATE AS MORE DOG FRIENDLY THAN THE OTHERS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE PLANS AS WE START THIS PROCESS, WE'VE PUT A MESSAGE BOARD OUT IN THE PARK WITH OUR INITIAL PHASE ONE OF RESTORING THE TREES. WE HAVE PLANS TO BRING THE COMMUNITY ALONG IN THE PROCESS AS WE ARE DESIGNING THE PROJECT. SO THIS IS A BUDGET, AND IF THE COMMUNITY COMES BACK AND SAYS, WE DON'T WANT THE DEACON POST GRANITE PATHS MAKE THOSE GO AWAY, WE'LL DO THAT. WE EVEN HEARD FROM SOME RESIDENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE VERY SMALL NATURE ORIENTED PLAY ELEMENTS THAT CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD PLAY ON. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TOO. SO WE WOULD LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE'RE DEVELOPING OUR PLANS. THAT'S GREAT. I I, I GET GREAT COMMENTS THAT THE MULCH THAT, THAT THE NEW MULCH HAS BEEN PUT IN THERE, IT LOOKS NICE. MM-HMM . AND THEY APPRECIATE THAT. AND THAT HAS HELPED THAT PART TREMENDOUSLY. JUST WITH THAT. YES. WE HAVE TO DO THAT TWICE A YEAR. I UNDERSTAND. I GET IT. IT DID. THAT'S, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TREE WELLS AROUND THERE. AGAIN, WE KEEP HEARING THAT THE DOGS AND, YOU KNOW, CIGARETTE BUTTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. UM, AND I GET THAT, BUT THAT'S, PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS. DOGS ARE GONNA DO WHAT THEY DO. HEY, RANDY, COULD WE KIND OF FOCUS ON THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT MORE? I AM THIS PROJECT, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. THIS IS GOING TOWARDS, WE HAVE A LONG ROAD AHEAD OF, I GET IT. BUT THIS, THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY. THE, UH, TREE WELLS. MM-HMM . DAN SUGGESTED EARLIER IN A MEETING SOMETHING THAT'S LESS ORGANIC AND FAR MORE MAINTENANCE FREE THAT A DOG CAN DO THEIR BUSINESS ON. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT IT KILLING IT. WE'D REALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RATHER THAN ORGANIC MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE TO GROW AND GET SUNLIGHT AND WATER ON. SO, SO OUR STAFF HAS DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE PLANT MATERIALS THAT COULD SURVIVE DOGS. AND WE ALSO HEARD THE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK THAT COUNCIL GAVE US LAST TIME. AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BUDGET YEAR IS THAT WE PUT SOME DEMONSTRATION AREAS [02:00:01] OUT IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OF THOSE OPTIONS. WE LET THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR BUSINESSES IN FRONT OF THOSE PLANTERS AND THEIR HOMES OPEN UP TO THOSE PLANTERS, BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE, AND THEN WE ALSO TEST 'EM TO WHAT HOLDS UP TO THE CLIMATE THE BEST. AND THEN WE MAKE A DECISION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. UH, OVER THE LAST THREE DAYS, I'VE WALKED EVERY STREET IN THE CIRCLE AND HAVE LOOKED AT EVERY TREE. WELL, THAT'S THERE TO LOOK, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. AND I THINK SOME OF THE FINEST EXAMPLES OF WHAT WORKS IS WHAT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES HAVE DONE ON THEIR PROPERTY WITH THE BIG GRAY ROCKS, WITH THE CACTUS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT LOOKS VERY ATTRACTIVE. UH, AND IT'S NOT THOSE HEDGES THAT ARE DYING OUT ON OUR PLACE. I THINK THE BUSINESSES HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK. AND I THINK WE CAN TAKE A CUE FROM THEM GOING FORWARD AND SAVE MONEY DOWN THE ROAD BY DOING SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT. WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, JAN. THANK YOU. DIDN'T WE GO INTO DETAIL ON BOS PARK IN ONE OF OUR, UH, WORK SESSIONS? WE DID, YES. OKAY. I WAS LOOKING BACK FOR IT. I COULDN'T FIND IT. I KNOW IT WAS IN THERE SOMEWHERE. DO WE HAVE A DATE ON THAT BY CHANCE? IT WAS THE FIRST BUDGET PRESENTATION. WAS IT EIGHT FIVE? NO, IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF JULY, I BELIEVE. OKAY. I'LL GO LOOK FOR IT. YEAH. UM, THERE WAS, THAT MAY BE GOOD, GOOD BACK COLLATERAL TOO FOR THAT INFORMATION. YEAH, IT WAS, UH, WE DID, UH, I THINK JULY 1ST. YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS, WE HAD THAT PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR STEVEN ON THE BUDGET? I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE A A C ASSET MANAGEMENT NEEDS FOR THE, THE POOL, UM, RESURFACING. WHERE, WHERE DID JANA GO? I LOST JANA, SO, UM, THAT'S AESTHETIC. I'VE NOT SEEN IT. HAS ANYBODY ELSE SEEN IT? I'VE SEEN IT. YOU'VE SEEN IT. IT'S DISCOLORED. IS IT, IS IT, UH, BAD ENOUGH TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT NOW? YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR OWN DEFINITION OF, OF THAT, BUT, UM, IT'S DIS I MEAN, IT'S, YES, IT IS. IT'S DISCOLORED. SO I MEAN, JANET CAN SPEAK OKAY. MORE TO IT THAN I CAN. AND THEN WHY, WHY DID WE CALL THAT SOMETHING MORE DESCRIPTIVE THAN A A C ASSET MANAGEMENT NEEDS? I MEAN, IT'S, IF IT WAS CALLED THE POOL. YEAH. I'M SORRY IF YOU GOT, WENT TO THE ORIGINAL SLIDE, IT DID GET INTO MORE DESCRIPTION, BUT, UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT AROUND ASSET MANAGEMENT AND PARKS, AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS LIKE ASKING US WHERE WE WERE DOING ASSET MANAGEMENT AT THE ATHLETIC CLUB. AND SO, OKAY. WE KIND OF LED WITH THAT NAME'S CURIOUS AS TO WE'LL BE MINDFUL NEXT TIME WE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING. UM, IF IT CAN BE POSTPONED, I'M ALL FOR POSTPONING IT. UM, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SHAPE OF IT AND I'M GONNA TRUST, UH, THE PROFESSIONAL OPINION TO, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY DISCOLORED. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PITTING IN THERE, BUT IT'S PITTING THAT IS STILL ABLE FOR OUR EQUIPMENT TO KIND OF CLEAN INTO THAT SURFACE. THERE WILL BECOME, WE'LL HIT A PERIOD AT SOME POINT WHERE IT'S PITTED MORE AND WE AREN'T ABLE TO KEEP IT CLEAN. I CAN, I CAN GO WITH IT OR NOT THIS, THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, MINE, MINE WAS DISCOLORED AND THEY CAME IN AND ACID WASHED IT AND IT LOOKED BRAND NEW. WE ACID WATCHED IT TWICE AFTER THE RENOVATION TRYING TO GET IT TO THAT POINT. UM, AND WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UH, ON THE BUDGET. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THE BUDGET ITEM, ITEM FIVE A FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES. YOU CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. DO WE NEED TO GET IN A LINE? IS THAT SIX A MAYOR? SORRY? IS IT SIX A FIVE A FIVE A MM-HMM . YEAH, IF YOU, IF THERE ARE OTHERS, YEAH, YOU CAN QUEUE UP BEHIND IF YOU LIKE. AND PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HI, MY NAME IS CURTIS GREEN AND I LIVE AT 1 5 8 0 0 SPECTRUM DRIVE. UH, I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THE BIKE LANE STUFF TONIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT. UM, I KNOW. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS THERE WAS A SURVEY, TRANSPORTATION, WANNA DO BIKE LANES? OKAY, WE DID A POP-UP BIKE LANE. WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK? MOST PEOPLE LIKED IT. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO EVEN MORE. AND THEN IT WAS, SOME OF THE BUSINESSES WERE CONCERNED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY. LIKE ASTORIA MENTIONED, I LIKE ASTORIA, I WANT THEM TO DO WELL. OKAY, I GET IT. AND SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY, THEY ADJUSTED THE PROJECT SO THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY CONSTRUCTION OR LANE REDUCTION WITHIN ADDISON CIRCLE. SO I, I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION THERE. THE PROJECT IS FROM LIKE, WHERE THERE'S LANE REDUCTION IS JUST FROM AIRPORT, SO NORTH OF ADDISON CIRCLE TO WEST GROVE, AND THEN WEST GROVE'S ALREADY TWO LANES, BUT IT'S A WEIRD ROAD THAT'S FOUR LANES WIDE AND EVEN HAS THESE CRAZY SIGNS THAT SAY CAUTION ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE FOUR. AND SO SOME PEOPLE MOVE AROUND, SOME PEOPLE GO IN THE CENTER. AND SO IT'S ALREADY A, A PROBLEM. AND THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO FIX IT WITH 100% OF OUR MONEY OR 20% OF OUR MONEY? UM, I THINK 20% IS A, IS A BETTER DEAL. UM, AND THEN, UH, LET ME THINK. THERE WAS SOME OTHER TALKS ABOUT THAT, BUT BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SMALL PART OUTSIDE OF THE CIRCLE, [02:05:01] NORTH OF THE CIRCLE, UH, NORTH OF OUR AIRPORT. UM, I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THE AREA FOR THE SMALL PART THAT WE ARE REDUCING LANES. OKAY, FAIR QUESTION. SO ON ADDISON ROAD, IN THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, IT GETS IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD, ON AVERAGE THEY GET 18 K TRAFFIC COUNTS FROM ON QUORUM DRIVE NORTH OF THE CIRCLE, IT'S 2.5. SO IT'S THE SAME, IT'S FOUR LANES PLUS TURN LANE, UH, SAME AS ADDISON, BUT IT GETS ONE EIGHTH OF THE TRAFFIC. SO I THINK IT'LL BE FINE. UM, OKAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT POTENTIAL FUTURE TRAFFIC FOR WHAT, IF THERE'S LIKE, I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT OFFICES ON THE LAND AROUND MARY KAY, SO WHAT ABOUT THAT? OKAY, THAT'S FAIR. UM, BUT I WOULD, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, UH, LIKE GOOGLE'S HEADQUARTERS. IF YOU GO THERE, THOUSANDS OF TOURISTS AND EMPLOYEES GO THERE EVERY DAY. DO THEY HAVE SIX LANE ROADS SURROUNDING THE BUILDING? NO, THEY HAVE ONE CAR LANE EACH DIRECTION AND SOME OF THE BEST BIKE LANES IN THE US BECAUSE PART OF THEIR VALUE PROPOSITION IS TO GET YOUNG, TALENTED PEOPLE THAT HAVE OPTIONS TO COME AND WORK FOR THEM. AND SO I THINK IT'S MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL. UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME OTHER COMMENTS, BUT YEAH, I, I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION THERE. AND SO I, I, OH, ALSO THE PROJECT INCLUDES, UH, CROSSWALKS IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE CIRCLE AND LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH I, WHICH I, I THINK EVERYONE WANTS. SO, UH, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT IT. I THINK MOST PEOPLE LIKE THE PROJECT COULD BE WRONG. UH, BUT YEAH, I WANTED TO CORRECT THAT AND I HOPE YOU'LL, UH, PUT THE WEST GROVE BIKE LANES BACK IN THE BUDGET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CURTIS. ALRIGHT, SO CURTIS WILL SAVE ME A BIT OF TIME, UH, 'CAUSE HE COVERED SOME STUFF I WANTED TO GET. MY NAME IS TYLER WRIGHTS. I LIVE AT 15 7 2 5 ARTIST WAY. UM, AND I'M HERE TO ASK Y'ALL TO PUT WHAT CURTIS DESCRIBED AND WHAT I BELIEVE WAS DESCRIBED IN JULY BACK INTO THE BUDGET FOR THE BIKE LANES BECAUSE, UM, THERE IS NO TRAFFIC, THERE IS NO LANE REDUCTION IN THE CIRCLE EXCEPT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT. AND THE PARKING REDUCTION WILL BE OFFSET BY THAT SURFACE PARKING AND THE NEW TOD THAT I THINK WILL BE MENTIONED BY A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BRING PEOPLE IN. IT DOESN'T REDUCE LANES ON HEAVY, HEAVILY USED ROADS, BUT IT DOES IMPROVE SAFETY. I TAKE THAT ROUTE THAT YOU CANCELED MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK TO GET TO THE GYM. UM, AND EVERY TIME I'M ON THE WEST GROVE PART, I EITHER CUT BEHIND THE BUILDINGS OR GO ON A DIFFERENT WAY. UM, I THINK I ALMOST HIT, UH, MR. THE, THE MAYOR, UH, ONE DAY WHEN HE WAS WALKING HIS DOG. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT AT LEAST I WAS ONLY GOING 12 MILES AN HOUR, NOT 40. UM, SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE SAW. AND YOU KNOW, MARLON AND I TALKED ABOUT IT AND YEAH, BIKING IN THE CIRCLE AS IT IS TODAY IS FINE. UM, IT'S THAT OTHER STUFF THAT SCARES ME. IT'S THAT OTHER STUFF YOU CAN CANCELED THAT I WANT BACK. UH, KEEP THE SHADOWS IN THE BIKE LANES. UH, YOU KNOW, I'M FINE WITH THAT. UH, I'M FINE WITH THE, THE JULY. AND I THINK, UM, A COUPLE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT THERE IS THINKING ABOUT CONNECTIVITY. IS THAT ALL THE MOST CULTURALLY RICH, UM, ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE, HIGHLY VISITED BEST RESTAURANTS, AREAS IN DFW AND MOST, MOST METRO AREAS IN THE WORLD ARE THE, ARE SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO DRIVE IN BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO VISIT AND ADDING CAPACITY. YOU KNOW, SAY IN BISHOP ARTS, THEY'VE GOT A STREET CAR THAT TAKES YOU THERE. THEY'VE GOT AT LEAST TWO BUS ROUTES, IF NOT MORE. THEY'VE GOT, UH, BIKE LANES ACROSS THE VIADUCTS TO GET YOU THERE FROM DOWNTOWN. THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO GET YOU IN. UM, AND IT HAS SOME OF THE HIGHEST RATED BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS, SHOPS IN THE CITY, AND I THINK ADDISON HAS THAT, UM, OR HAS A POTENTIAL TO BE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW TOD. AND SPEAKING OF THE TOD, UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF REDUNDANCIES IN THE TOD. LIKE THERE'S, THE HOTEL'S GONNA HAVE ITS OWN COFFEE SHOP. THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER BEER HALL. UM, WE'RE ALREADY PRETTY WELL SERVED BY THAT MADISON CIRCLE. AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA FLOCK TO THE NEW THING. THE PEOPLE IN THE HOTEL ARE JUST GONNA GO DOWNSTAIRS AND GET COFFEE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO TO ASTORIA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO TO DOLCE UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING TO INVITE THAT CURIOSITY TO BRING THEM OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK THAT BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT SIGNAGE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED THAT YOU GUYS REMOVED ARE GOOD FOR THAT. AND I, AND I WANT THOSE BACK. UM, I WANT THE BIKE LANES BACK, AS THEY WERE STATED IN JULY. NO LANE REDUCTIONS ON QUORUM HELP US OUT IN WEST GROVE. MAKE ME FEEL SAFER. I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT. UM, THAT'LL SAVE LIVES. I SENT YOU BOTH . I SENT THE COUNCIL TWO LETTERS ON THIS ONE. I DISTRIBUTED TO MY, UM, MY, UH, NEIGHBORS AND SUCH. UH, MY ENGLISH TEACHERS COULD NEVER GET ME TO WRITE THAT MUCH, SO THEY'RE QUITE JEALOUS. UM, SO I HOPE YOU GUYS TOOK THAT IN, CONSIDERED IT, REALIZE THAT WE CAN SAVE LIVES AND HOPEFULLY MAKE OUR BUSINESSES BETTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TYLER. HELLO, I'M JAY LANG HURST. UH, I LIVE AT 67, UH, OH EIGHT LOVINGTON DRIVE IN DALLAS. UH, BUT I DO GO THROUGH THE [02:10:01] ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER FOR MY COMMUTE. UH, AND I DID ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE, THE POP-UP BIKE LANES WHEN THEY DID EXIST. I THOUGHT THEY WERE GREAT. I LEFT SURVEY COMMENTS TO THE SAME, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE FOUR TIMES MORE RTC FUNDS THAT ARE ON THE LINE ARE KIND OF BEING WASTED, UH, IN THIS SENSE. UH, AND THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND NOW, BUT IT [b. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance amending Chapter 2 (Administration), Section 2-176 of the Code of Ordinances of the Town to provide an economic development levy of $0.025000 of the tax rate and update the description of the operations and maintenance tax rate.] IS A SHAME TO SEE THIS NOT IN THE BUDGET. UH, I PLAN TO USE THE COTTON BELT HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL, WHICH I, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH BIKE DEMAND RIGHT NOW, UH, ALONG THIS AREA. BUT I THINK THE COTTON BELT WILL BRING A LOT OF DEMAND. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTIVITY THERE, PEOPLE COULD JUST KEEP ON BIKING AND HIKING, YOU KNOW, OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS IF THEY DON'T SEE A WELCOMING FRONT DOOR, WHICH I THINK YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED TO DATE. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE CONGESTION METRICS, UH, THAT ARE ALSO EARLIER, UH, IN THE WORK, UH, MEETING, YOU KNOW, DON'T SHOW THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT UNUSED CAPACITY. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A, A NET LOSS OF PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, UH, I DO THINK THIS ACTION WOULD GO AGAINST THE STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU HAVE A MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY AREA, WHICH AT 47% IS YOUR LOWEST ON TRACK STATUS RIGHT NOW AFTER THE CANCELLATION OF EAST WEST TRAIL. AND NOW, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT HIGHEST AREA IS 65%. I ASSUME THIS WILL GO EVEN LOWER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T TAKE THIS FUNDING EFFECTIVELY, I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS ISSUE IS GONNA SAY THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A THUMBS UP COMPLETION FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF AN ACTION OF WASTING A BUNCH OF CAPACITY AND KIND OF TURNING DOWN THESE FUNDS. UM, I DO THINK THERE'S ALSO, BEYOND ECONOMIC AND PLANNING IMPACTS, THERE ARE ALSO LIFE AND SAFETY IMPACTS. UH, TX TOT HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, ONE IN SIX, UH, DEATHS THAT HAPPEN IN, IN, IN THE TEXAS TRANSIT SYSTEM ARE, UH, RATED CYCLING, AND THAT'S INCREASING BY 65%. AND ONE IN 50, UH, ARE, ARE ALSO, UH, RELATED TO PEDESTRIAN. THAT'S ALSO INCREASING 2.1 X. SO I THINK TXDOT IS DOING SOME PROGRAMS, THEY'RE DOING STUFF RELATED TO GETTING TO SCHOOL SAFETY, ET CETERA. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK MUNICIPALITIES DO HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE OBLIGATION WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING SURE THAT THESE PLACES ARE SAFE. AND OPENING THIS UP MORE WITH THE COTTON BELT TRAIL, I THINK INCREASES YOUR OBLIGATION. UH, SO THERE WERE EIGHT TDO CRASHES. I HAVE A, A LITTLE HANDOUT, BUT YOU DON'T TAKE HANDOUTS, BUT, UH, I CAN EMAIL IT TO YOU. BUT BASICALLY THE LINE GOES UP AND TO THE RIGHT, UH, THERE WAS A LITTLE BLIP IN 2024, WHICH I THINK YOU REVIEWED EARLIER, BUT 2025 IS JUST AS HIGH AS 2023 AND WE GOT THREE MORE MONTHS LEFT. THESE ARE CYCLIST INJURIES ACROSS ADDISON. SO, UH, ALSO A FATALITY, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO. UM, SO ACROSS THE, THE ROUTE THERE ARE EIGHT, UH, INCIDENTS OVER THE LAST DECADE AND THEN GO A COUPLE BLOCKS MORE. THERE WERE A FEW MORE, UM, 50% OF THE DRIVERS INVOLVED HAD INJURIES AND TWO THIRDS OF THE PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD HAVE FUN FROM ANY OF THIS RIGHT NEAR DOLCE, OTHER, OTHER, THE PLACES THERE WAS SERIOUS ACCIDENT. SO I THINK IF WE LOOK AT ALL 22 CRASH, UH, RELATED ACCIDENTS OR DEATHS WITH CYCLISTS, UH, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY ONLY ONE SUCH YEAR BEFORE 2020, BUT AFTER ALL THE YEARS, SINCE 2020 HAVE HAD FOUR EXCEPT FOR THE LAST YEAR. SO I THINK THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO REDUCE CYCLING, SAFETY INVESTMENT. I THINK IT'S TIME TO INCREASE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JAY. ANY OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? NO, BUT MAYOR, I'VE GOT A COMMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO, CAN I CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? GO AHEAD. I'LL LET YOU. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND, UH, CHRIS, A COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE BIKE LIENS BACK INTO THE BUDGET. UM, I'D LIKE TO DO IT WITH NO LANE REDUCTIONS. UM, I DON'T WANNA REMOVE ANY PARKING. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE FULLY VET ALL OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND MAKE SURE THERE'S A WAY THAT EVERYONE COULD BE HAPPY. BUT THIS, IT'S A, IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'VE SPENT TWO YEARS ON. UM, WE, WE'VE HAD A TON OF PUBLIC INPUT. WE'VE ENGAGED THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. UM, IT'S A PROJECT WHERE, YOU KNOW, AN OUTSIDE SOURCE IS GONNA FUND A MAJORITY OF IT. UM, IT, IT'S CONNECTING ONE END OF OUR TOWN TO A RAIL STATION. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REGIONAL PROJECT, ONE THAT I'D REALLY LIKE US TO PARTICIPATE IN FOR A LOT OF REASONS. UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA THROW THAT OUT THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT BACK ADDED BACK INTO THE BUDGET. THANK YOU, CHRIS. AND, UH, I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR POINTS. UH, WHEN WE LAST DISCUSSED THIS, WE HAD FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANTED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BUDGET, WHICH IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE STAFF TOOK FROM US. AND UNLESS I'M HEARING ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM ONE OF THOSE FOUR, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AS, AS WE HAVE THE BUDGET NOW. SO I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO SPEAK ON THAT. SO, UM, I, I THINK THE, UH, ADDING THE BIKE LANES IS, IS GOOD OVERALL FOR ADDISON. IT'S NOT JUST THE BIKE LANES, IT'S ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT IT IS, IT'S THE LIGHTING, IT'S THE, UH, UP UPGRADING ALL THE STREETS AND ALL THOSE PARTS OF IT. UM, BUT I HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT, UH, KIND OF TIPPED ME BACK OVER IS, IS LIKE THIS, THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, HIGHLY AFFECTED BY THE MAJORITY TOO. SOMETIMES, UH, WE, WE WE'RE NOT IN THE MAJORITY. AND, UH, THEREFORE I HAVE TO OVERRIDE MY, UH, LONG-TERM PREFERENCE FOR THIS. I THINK WE CAN DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY. UH, MAYBE A MUCH CHEAPER WAY AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PAINTING THE SHEROS OURSELF ON THE, [02:15:01] UH, ON THE STREETS WITH SIGNS. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY POSITION IS, UM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IT ALL BACK IN BECAUSE OF THAT, THOSE REASONS. MOSTLY THE, THE CITIZEN SPEAKING. OKAY, DEAR. THANK YOU DARREN HOWARD. I WOULD, I, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IT BACK, BUT AS FAR AS THE CROSSWALKS AND THE LIGHTING, WE, WE PUT THE MONEY BACK INTO THE FUND. DAVID EXPLAINED TO ME TODAY, IT JUST GOES BACK INTO THE FUND. IT WAS A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS OR SO. SO I'D BE IN FAVOR OF DOING THE LIGHTING AND THE, THE CROSSWALKS, ANYTHING THAT'S TO IMPROVE SAFETY. BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING THE BIKE LANES BACK IN. YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING DEDICATED BIKE LANES. UH, I AM, I AM IN FAVOR OF HAVING MORE SIGNAGE AND, AND, UH, THINGS ON THE STREET, SIGNS ON A SIGN, UM, TO, TO HELP, UH, BIKERS THAT WANNA TRAVERSE THAT, THAT QUORUM, QUORUM DRIVE EVERY, SO YOU DO NOT WANNA PUT THIS BACK INTO BUDGET. NOT DEDICATED, NO. OKAY. RANDY, I THINK I'M PRETTY CLEAR OF WHERE YOU ARE. YOU'RE CLEAR WHERE I'M, ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S FOUR. ALL RIGHT. SO WELL WAIT. WELL, THAT'S FOUR. I, I I KNOW ALL I NEED IS FOUR. FOUR. OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, ALL I DON'T NEED IS FOUR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. DAN. WE'RE NOT IGNORING YOU, BUT JUST TRYING TO, UH, INTEREST OF TIME. OKAY. I UNDERSTANDS GOING ON. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND THANKS FOR EVERYONE FOR YOUR INPUT AGAIN. ALRIGHT, SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM FIVE, A MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU, MARLON. I'LL SECOND ALL MOTION IS SECOND. THANK YOU, CHRIS, FOR THE SECOND JUDGING. JUST, UH, RIGHT AHEAD OF YOU THERE, DAN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE TO, UH, DISCUSS THE BUDGET. UM, THIS IS A BUDGET THAT HAS THINGS IN IT THAT I DON'T, UH, AGREE WITH 100% AND JUST REAL FIRMLY, BUT IT'S A BUDGET THAT WE HAVE TO PASS TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT. SO, UM, AND TO MOVE ADDISON FORWARD. UH, IF THERE'S NOT MAJOR THINGS IN IT, THEN I CAN ASSERT THE BUDGET, AND THAT'S MY PHILOSOPHY ON BUDGET. NOBODY HEARD IT. THANK YOU. DARREN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I DO. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE BUDGET. UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, REALLY PAID ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF 'EM, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S WILLINGNESS TO, TO, TO LISTEN. UM, JUST A FEW REASONS WHY I'M SUPPORTING THIS BUDGET. UM, I THINK IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN OUR TOWN'S PRESENT AND THE FUTURE. UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, FUNDS TO FULLY IMPLEMENT A STEP PLAN FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. WE'RE THE ONLY CITY IN THE COMPETITIVE SET THAT DOESN'T OFFER A COMPENSATION, A STEP COMPENSATION PLAN. AND THIS WILL FINALLY ALLOW US TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN THE BEST AND CONTINUE TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US. IT ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM A LARGER MARKETING BUDGET SO WE CAN FINALLY GO ON OFFENSE, UH, AND SELL SOME OF THE GREAT THINGS OUR TALENT HAS TO OFFER, BRING IN NEW BUSINESSES, UH, RAISE THE OCCUPANCY OF AN OFFICER TOWER OFFICE TOWERS, UH, AND GROW SALES TAX. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS BUDGET GETS A LITTLE EASIER TO PASS 685,000 TO DRESS UP A TIRED THEATER. UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A GOAL OF OURS A WHILE FOR A WHILE TO REACTIVATE THAT THEATER AS ANOTHER WAY OF BRINGING PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY. UH, $35 MILLION, 35 MILLION THAT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE OUR FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THESE ARE INVESTMENTS IN OUR TOWN. ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU AND I LOVE ABOUT ADDISON. IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING, CRITICAL MAINTENANCE. IT'S THINGS LIKE MONFORT DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION, SIGNAL LIGHT IMPROVEMENTS, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, BETTER LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING, STREET REHAB AND PARK MAINTENANCE. UH, AND NOT TO MENTION MULTIPLE PROJECTS OVER BY THE AIRPORT. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FLUFF IN THIS BUDGET. UH, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING A LOT. AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS WITH YOU ON WHY I'M SUPPORTING IT. THANK YOU, CHRIS. ANY OTHER? HOWARD? I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT CHRIS JUST SAID. THERE ARE THINGS IN THE BUDGET THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH. I'VE VOICED MY OPINION TONIGHT AND PREVIOUSLY. UH, OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A GOOD BUDGET. I THINK THE THINGS THAT I'M UNHAPPY ABOUT WILL COME FORWARD. AGAIN, WHEN IT'S TIME TO DO THEM. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE GOOD NUMBERS OR GOOD, UM, PROPOSALS AND WE'LL I GUESS DEAL WITH THEM CASE BY CASE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. UM, I'LL PROBABLY STILL FEEL BAD ABOUT SOME OF THEM, BUT OVERALL, I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD BUDGET. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UM, STEVEN GLICKMAN. OH, THERE YOU ARE. UM, AND ALL OF THE DIRECTORS, ABBY, JANA, UH, EVERYBODY. BECKY, UH, BECKY, EVERYBODY WHO'S WORKED ON IT. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK AND I KNOW [02:20:01] AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I'VE CRITICIZED QUITE A BIT AS SOME OTHERS HAVE AS WELL. I, UM, IT'S TOUGH. IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. SO, UM, I'M HAPPY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, A LONG TIME COMING. I'M HAPPY FOR THE STEP PLAN, SO I'M HAPPIER WITH MORE OF IT THAN I'M UNHAPPY WITH. BUT, UM, I WILL SUPPORT THE BUDGET TOO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HOWARD. ANY OTHER? MARLON? YEAH, MAYOR, THE ONLY THING I WANNA ADD IS THIS IS MY, UH, SEVENTH BUDGET. AND TO ME, THIS SEEMS LIKE THE LEANEST BUDGET OUT OF ALL OF THEM. UH, MAINLY FOCUS WITH CATCHING UP, UH, WITH COMPENSATION TO OUR EMPLOYEES. AND, UH, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF LINE ITEMS AND NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ALIGNED WITH EVERY SINGLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOUSANDS OF LINE ITEMS, BUT, UM, UH, FOR THE MOST PART I'M GLAD WE, WE'VE HAD THESE GREAT DISCUSSIONS AND COME TO A MAJORITY AGREEMENT. UM, AND I'M, I'M VERY CONTENT WITH WHERE WE'VE LANDED. THANK YOU, MARLON. DAN, THANK YOU. I'M GONNA AGREE AND, UH, CERTAINLY WHAT CHRIS'S POINTS WERE ON. AND I, I WOULD ULTIMATELY LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL THEMSELVES FOR JUST STOKING THE FIRE AND, AND HAVING SOMETHING CONVERSATION. BUT ULTIMATELY, YES, THE STEP PROGRAM IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, AND I'M SUPER THRILLED TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. UM, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO THE TOWN'S RESIDENTS, UM, WEIGH HEAVIER ON ME MORE SO THIS YEAR THAN MY PRIOR TWO YEARS OF SERVICE. BUT I ULTIMATELY WANNA THANK, UH, DAVID GAINES LEADERSHIP AND THE TOWN'S DIRECTORS BECAUSE AS HOWARD JUST SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES IN BEHIND THE SCENES THAT THEY DON'T GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR. SO AGAIN, STEVEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR FINESSE WITH NUMBERS. 'CAUSE I KNOW I COULDN'T DO IT. AND, UM, JUST ALL, ALL OF YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME BE PART OF THE PROCESS. THANK YOU, DAN. AND, UH, YEAH, JUST A QUICK COMMENT FROM ME IS, IT'S, IT'S, I I'D LIKE TO THANK STEVEN, HIS WHOLE DEPARTMENT. UM, Y'ALL JUST DO YEOMAN'S WORK, PUTTING ALL THIS TOGETHER FOR US AND, AND HELP HELPING US TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT THE BEST WE CAN, AND ALL THE DIRECTORS AND THE STAFF THAT HAVE WORKED SO HARD ON THIS. IT'S A, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, AND IT'S, IT IS HARD. IT'S HARD TO GET A BUDGET THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOVE EVERYTHING IN IT, BUT CAN YOU LIVE WITH IT? AND THEN WE GO ABOUT DOING THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN AND THEN DEAL WITH IT AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR. THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART OF IT. AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M WITH IT. SO, UH, I THINK WE'VE, I'M AT, I'M AT A GOOD PLACE WITH IT. RANDY, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS MADE A LITTLE COMMENT. I'LL MAKE A SHORT ONE. OUR TAX RATE WENT DOWN MINUSCULE, BUT THAT'S IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANKS FOR CARVING SOMETHING OUT. UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO WORK HARDER TO GET THAT DOWN EVEN FARTHER NEXT YEAR. I THINK THAT IS GONNA BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER. UM, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES COMING IN, SEEING A LOWER TAX RATE, LETS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UH, THE HEARTBURN I'VE GOT WITH THIS, I, I HAVE EXPRESSED SEVERAL TIMES, UH, IN, IN SEVERAL INSTANCES. WE'VE BASICALLY DONE A THREE YEAR BUDGET ON SOME OF THESE PLANS. THEY BROUGHT US A THREE YEAR PLAN AND WE SAY, GO AHEAD AND DO THIS. UH, WHEN I WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO TAKE THEIR DIRECTION AND, AND THEIR GUIDANCE AND DO IT OVER A, A THREE YEAR PERIOD, UH, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH OUR BIDDING PROCESS. EXAMPLE, THE OUTDOOR BATHROOMS AT THE SWIM POOL. UH, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE GIVEN THEM 40, $50,000 THIS YEAR, GET A PAINT JOB, SPRUCE 'EM UP AND GO, UH, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE US GOING FORWARD TO, TO TAKE OUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYERS FAR MORE SERIOUSLY AND, UH, GET THE TAX RATES DOWN AND, AND DO WHAT WE CAN WITH, WITH THE MONEY. SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, RANDY. WELL, WITH THAT, I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD THEIR SAY. SO THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. SO THAT WILL ASK FOR, UH, CITY SECRETARY OF VALENCIA GARCIA TO COME FORWARD AND WALK US THROUGH THAT. AND THIS VOTE DOES REQUIRE FIVE OUT OF SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET. VALENCIA. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, VALENCIA GARCIA, CITY SECRETARY. UM, SO WE'LL DO THIS, UM, VOTE AS A ROLL CALL VOTE. SO I'LL CALL YOU OUT EACH INDIVIDUALLY, ONE BY ONE. UH, SO WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE, UM, TURN ON YOUR MIC AND STATE YOUR VOTE FOR THE RECORD. START WITH, UH, MAYOR AFTON. AYE. MAYOR PROTI WILLISON. AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM. UH, DE FRANCISCO. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER FREE AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GARDNER AYE. IN FAVOR. COUNCIL MEMBER LISIO AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH GRUDGINGLY. AYE. THANKS. THANK YOU, VALENCIA. ALL RIGHT. ITEM FIVE A IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. VERY GOOD. MOVE [b. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance to levy taxes for the Town of Addison, Texas, and to fix and adopt the tax rate of $0.608100 for the Town on all taxable property for the Fiscal Year beginning October 1, 2025 and ending September 30, 2026.] ON TO ITEM [02:25:01] FIVE B. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE TO LEVY TAXES FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON, TEXAS. AND TO FIX AND ADOPT THE TAX RATE OF 0.6 0 8 1 0 0 FOR THE TOWN ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026. STEVEN. GREAT. THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN GLITMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. AND, UH, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, WE HAVE OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE, AND, UH, ALSO BEFORE YOU IS AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE TAX RATE. AND AS WE, UH, JUST KIND OF WENT THROUGH ON THE BUDGET, THIS WILL ALSO BE A ROLL CALL VOTE IF, UM, COUNCIL SO CHOOSES. UM, SO GOING FORWARD, UH, THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME PRESENTATION WE HAD, UH, AT OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING LAST WEEK. UH, SO ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2ND, WE HAD OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING WITH OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THEN YOU, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, ADOPTION, UH, AS WELL BEFORE YOU. AND THEN, UH, HERE IN A FEW SHORT WEEKS, WE'LL BEGIN OUR FISCAL YEAR, OCTOBER 1ST. UH, SO SOME DEFINITIONS OVER, UH, WHAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, UH, IS COMPRISED OF. UH, WE HAVE A, A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS. THE M AND O RATE IS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE. THIS IS FUNDING OUR GENERAL FUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND. AND THEN WE HAVE THE INS RATE OR THE DEBT SERVICE RATE. UH, AND THIS IS FOR OUR GENERAL DEBT SERVICE. SO WHATEVER OUR DEBT SERVICE IS, UH, THAT, THAT RATE IS SET AT THAT LEVEL, UH, TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. UH, AND THEN A COUPLE OF, UH, OTHER, UH, DEFINITIONS, NO NEW REVENUE RATE. SO THIS WOULD BE THE RATE THAT WOULD GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE ON THE SAME PROPERTIES AS THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR. UM, SO AS, UH, PROPERTY VALUES GO UP, THAT RATE GOES DOWN, AND IF PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN, THAT RATE GOES UP. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. SO THIS IS THE MAXIMUM RATE THAT THE COUNCIL CAN ADOPT WITHOUT GOING TO VOTERS, UH, FOR FURTHER APPROVAL. SO LOOKING AT THE OVERALL, UH, CERTIFIED VALUE HISTORY OF THE TOWN, WE HAVE 10 YEARS OF DATA LISTED. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGES FAIRLY CONSISTENT OVER THAT TIME. UH, FOR 2026, WE HAVE ABOUT 69% OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, 14% BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY, AND THEN 17% IS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. UH, IN TOTAL, A LITTLE OVER $6.6 MILLION IN TOTAL, OR BILLION, BILLION, NOT MILLION, UH, IN TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE, UH, FOR THE TOWN. UH, AND THEN OUR TAX RATE INFORMATION, AS I WENT OVER PREVIOUSLY, THE, THE DEFINITIONS OF NO NEW REVENUE AND VOTER APPROVAL RATE. UM, WE HAVE THOSE FOR THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE THIS YEAR IS 60.61 CENTS. UH, THAT'S THE, THE RATE THAT WE GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE ON THE SAME PROPERTIES AS LAST YEAR. WE HAVE THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM RATE THAT YOU COULD ADOPT BEFORE GOING TO VOTERS, 65.36 CENTS. AND THEN THE PROPOSED RATE OF 60.81 CENTS, UH, WHICH IS, IS JUST ABOUT 0 CENTS ABOVE, UH, THAT NO NEW REVENUE RATE, UH, FOR 2026. THEN WHAT MAKES UP THAT TOTAL OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE RATE? SO OVERALL, AS I MENTIONED, GENERAL FUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTMENT FUND. SO YOU CAN SEE OVERALL IN THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT A, UH, POINT, UH, 8 CENT, UH, REDUCTION IN THE OVERALL TAX RATE FOR THE, THAT'S GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND. AS WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND IS BUMPING UP TO TWO AND A HALF CENTS, SO A SLIGHT INCREASE THERE. UH, SO OVERALL THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PORTION OF THE TAX RATE IS DECREASING BY ALMOST SEVEN TENTHS OF A CENT. AND, UH, ON THE INTEREST, UH, IN SINKING SIDE FOR OUR DEBT SERVICE RELATED TO OUR BOND PROGRAM, THAT'S INCREASING HALF A CENT. SO OVERALL, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, LITTLE LESS THAN TWO TENTHS OF A CENT OVERALL DECREASE IN THE TAX RATE. AND THEN BELOW, WE DO HAVE A NOTE THERE, UH, LISTING OR LISTING THAT, UH, THE OVERALL OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PORTION OF THE TAX RATE OVER THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS HAS BEEN DECREASED BY OVER 1.70 CENTS. SO WHILE THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION IS GOING UP, BECAUSE VOTERS APPROVED, UH, MAJOR PROJECTS IN 2019, THAT OPERATIONS PORTION OF THE TAX RATE HAS COME DOWN, UH, PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND THEN OVERALL, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE AND WHERE THAT COMES FROM, UH, JUST 8% OF THAT $52 MILLION THAT I WENT OVER IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, JUST 8% OF THAT COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX. THE OTHER 92% COMES FROM, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAX, SALES, TAXES, OTHER FEES AND, AND REVENUES OF THAT TYPE. UH, AND THEN AS WE GET INTO OUR TOTAL TAX RATE, SO THIS HAS, UH, THE LAST, UH, BASICALLY 10 YEARS, I THINK NINE YEARS OF DATA HERE. UH, WHAT HAPPENED REALLY THAT SPURRED SOME OF THESE OVERALL [02:30:01] DECREASES IN TAX RATE WITH SOME LEGISLATION PASSED IN, UH, 2019 RELATED TO SCHOOL PROPERTY TAXES. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT SCHOOL PORTION, WHICH IS THE MAJOR PORTION OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY TAX RATE, HAS DECREASED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. THE OTHER ENTITIES, ADDISON, DALLAS COUNTY, PARKLAND, UH, HOSPITAL, DALLAS COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE TAX RATES HAVE NOT CHANGED NOTICEABLY OVER, UH, THE 10 YEAR PERIOD. UM, BUT THE BIG DECREASE THERE HAS COME FROM OVERALL SCHOOL TAXES. UH, THE OVERALL PROPERTY TAX RATE IS GONNA BE AROUND $2 AND 15 CENTS, UM, FOR RESIDENTS OF ADDISON. AND ADDISON MAKES UP 60.81 CENTS OF THAT. UH, SO WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER? SO EVEN THOUGH THE PROPERTY TAX RATE IS GOING DOWN SLIGHTLY, UH, PROP RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY VALUES DID GO UP, UM, A LITTLE BIT. UH, SO OVERALL PROPERTY TAX ON A MONTHLY BASIS, AN AVERAGE RESIDENT CAN EXPECT ABOUT A $15 AND 20 CENT INCREASE. WE LISTED OUR WATER AND SEWER RATES HERE AS WELL, WHICH ARE IN, IN YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET. UM, JUST TO, TO SHOW WHAT THE OVERALL TOTAL COST TO A RESIDENT WOULD BE. UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $15 AND 61 CENTS A MONTH FOR OUR AVERAGE HOMEOWNER, AVERAGE UTILITY USER. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, APPROVAL DOES REQUIRE THIS SPECIFIC MOTION. SO I'VE PUT THE MOTION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, UM, A AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. AND THEN, UH, THIS WILL ALSO NEED TO BE APPROVED BY A ROLL CALL VOTE. THANK YOU STEVEN. QUESTIONS FOR STEVEN ON THIS. A QUESTION ON, UH, THE ONM UH, BEING REDUCED 1.70 CENTS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. WE KNOW ABOUT THE 0.80 CENT FOR THIS YEAR. WHAT WAS THE, UH, 0.90 CENT PER LAST FOR LAST YEAR? YEAH, SO, SO SIMILARLY, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT 2019 BOND PROGRAM. AS WE'VE SOLD BONDS OR ISSUED THE DEBT FOR THOSE PROJECTS, THAT PORTION OF THE TAX RATE HAS GONE UP AND THE, THE MAINTENANCE PORTION WENT DOWN. SO IT WENT DOWN, UM, UH, ABOUT 0.9 LAST YEAR. OKAY. POINT NINE OF A CENT LAST YEAR FROM SOME OF THE EFFICIENCIES THAT WAS FOUND PAR, PARTIALLY FROM THAT, PARTIALLY FROM, UH, PROPERTY VALUES INCREASING, NEW PROPERTY BEING ADDED TO THE PROPERTY TAX ROLL, UH, ABLE TO ABSORB SOME OF THAT, UH, THOSE EXPENDITURES. AND HOW MUCH IS EACH REVENUE IS EACH CENT OF, UH, THE TAX? UH, 1 CENT OVERALL WILL GENERATE ABOUT $650,000 IN PROPERTY TAX. UH, THE PORTION THAT WOULD GO TO YOUR GENERAL FUND IS GONNA BE ABOUT 402,000. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. I'M NOT SKIPPING. OKAY, . ALRIGHT. ALL SEEING DONE. THANK Y'ALL. WE WILL, UH, CLOSE THAT, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND COULD, COULD WE GET THE, UH, SLIDE BACK UP? THANK YOU. SORRY. YOU'RE GOOD. . WHAT'S THAT? CAN'T MEMORIZE. I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION. I'VE GOT IT MEMORIZED. , IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY TO MAKE THAT MOTION HERE, I'LL TAKE IT IF YOU'D LIKE. I, I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF 0.608100 PER $100 VALUATION, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 0.33% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. THANK YOU, MARLON. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. THANK YOU DARREN, FOR THE SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IS, IS IT'S, UH, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE, EVEN, EVEN A SMALL AMOUNT, TAXES WENT UP, RIGHT? AND WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE THIS WHEN PROPERTY TAX REVENUES INCREASE, BUT IT WAS, WAS NICE TO SEE, SEE A REDUCTION IN THE TAX RATE. OKAY. THANK YOU DARREN. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ROLL CALL VOTE. SO WE'LL CALL ON CITY SECRETARY VALENCIA GARCIA TO COME FORWARD FOR THAT. ALRIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. VALENCIA GARCIA, CITY SECRETARY. SO WE'LL DO ANOTHER ROLL CALL. VOTE. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MIC AND STATE YOUR VOTE FOR THE RECORD. MAYOR AFTON. AYE. MAYOR TIM WILLISON. AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO. TIM D FRANCISCO. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER FREE. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GARDNER AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LISIO AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VALENCIA. ALL RIGHT. ITEM FIVE B IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, AND THAT IS THE END OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. NOW WE'VE GOT, UH, OUR ITEM SIX, OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATIONS. STEVEN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE FOR IT? OH, YOU, I JUST KNOW YOU, I THINK I, YOU YOU GOT MORE COMING. I KNOW. ALRIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS SOMETHING. ALRIGHT, [a. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance ratifying the Fiscal Year 2025-26 property tax revenue.] ITEM SIX A PRESENT AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE PERTAINING TO THE BUDGET AND, UH, SO WE'LL UH, GO THROUGH THOSE HERE AND A PRETTY TIMELY MANNER. SIX A PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE RATIFYING THE FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 26 [02:35:02] PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. STEVEN. GREAT. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. SO, UH, THE MOTION THAT WAS JUST MADE ON THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BECAUSE THERE IS A 0.33% INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES, THEN THE STATE REALLY WANTS YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE TRIPLE, TRIPLE SURE THAT YOU WANTED TO APPROVE THAT BUDGET AND TAX RATE YOU JUST DID. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO RATIFY THAT REVENUE THAT WAS IN THAT BUDGET AND THAT TAX RATE THAT YOU JUST APPROVED. UM, THAT'S THE PURPOSE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION. ONE QUICK QUESTION. MIND. SURE. FOR JUST PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE LOWERED THE TAX RATE, BUT YOUR SLIDE SAYS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GONE UP 0.33. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT PLEASE? JUST VERY BASICALLY AND QUICKLY , I CAN, UH, SO I, I HAVE A SAYING THERE'S NO TRUTH IN TRUTH IN TAXATION. SO THE STATE CALLS THIS TRUTH IN TAXATION AND EVEN THOUGH WE LOWERED THE RATE BECAUSE VALUES OF EXISTING PROPERTIES WENT UP MORE THAN WE LOWERED THE RATE, IT IS AN EFFECTIVELY A, A TAX INCREASE OF 0.33 CENTS. SO IT, IT'S THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE BECAUSE YOUR PROPERTY VALUES WENT UP, CORRECT? EVEN THOUGH OUR TAX RATE WENT DOWN, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS YOUR TAXES WENT UP. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THEY USED TO CALL UP THE EFFECTIVE RATE, CORRECT, BY THE WAY. SO YES, PLEASE. VERY GOOD. IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE. I MOTION TO APPROVE SIX B. THANK YOU DAN. I SECOND AND SECOND FOR MARLON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. B. WHAT DOES IT SIX SAY? IT WAS A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM. I'M FINE WITH IT. I ACCEPT THIS MOTION. ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 14. ALL RIGHT. ITEM SIX A IS APPROVED. ITEM SIX B PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO ADMINISTRATION SECTION TWO DASH 1 76 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE TOWN TO PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LEVY OF, UH, 0.2500 OF THE TAX RATE AND THE, UH, AND UPDATE THE DESCRIPTION OF THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE TAX RATE, STEVEN. ALRIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. UH, THIS ITEM IS JUST, UH, BASICALLY TO RATIFY THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED A TAX RATE FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND OF TWO AND A HALF CENTS. THIS IS A SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCES THAT LIST EACH OF THOSE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE COMPONENTS SEPARATELY AND HAD SPECIFIC RATES IN SO REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED FROM THE PREVIOUS RATE TO THE RATE THAT YOU JUST ADOPTED. UH, IN ADDITION, THE ORDINANCE UPDATES AND TERMINOLOGY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED. UH, THE TERM ROLLBACK RATE TO WHAT WE CALL NOW THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WHICH WAS IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. UH, JUST, JUST CLEAN THAT UP WHILE I WAS IN THERE CHANGING THE TAX RATE ON THIS ORDINANCE. BUT, UH, THOSE ARE THE TWO CHANGES. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE. THANK YOU, MARLON. I'LL SECOND AND SECOND FROM CHRIS. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. ITEM SIX B IS APPROVED. ITEM [c. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance amending Chapter 82 (Utilities), Section 82-76 of the Code of Ordinances of the Town by amending sewer rates for all customer classifications and providing that the changes to the sewer rates made herein shall be applied to monthly customer bills beginning with the November 2025 billing cycle.] SIX C PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 82, UTILITIES SECTION 82 DASH 76 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE TOWN BY AMENDING SEWER RATES FOR ALL CUSTOMER CLASSIFICATIONS AND PROVIDING THAT THE CHANGES TO THE SEWER RATES MADE HEREIN SHALL BE APPLIED TO MONTHLY CUSTOMER BILLS, BEGINNING WITH THE NOVEMBER, 2025 BILLING CYCLE. STEVEN? GREAT. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. AND, UH, THIS IS MY LAST ITEM, UH, TONIGHT. SO HAPPILY TAKE A SEAT OVER THERE AFTER THIS. BUT, UM, THIS ITEM, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE HAD A RATE MODEL THAT INCLUDED, UH, FIVE POINT A HALF PERCENT PROPOSED INCREASES. UH, WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THAT IN, UM, WITH NO INCREASE ON THE WATER RATES AND THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU HAS A 1% INCREASE IN SEWER RATES, UH, DESPITE SOME PRETTY LARGE INCREASES ON THE WHOLESALE SIDE FOR SEWER TREATMENT. SO VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO WITH, WITH THE UTILITY RATE BUDGET THIS YEAR. UM, WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, WE DID SET IN MOTION A PLAN TO HAVE A STEPPED INCREASE YEARLY OF 5%, FOUR AND A HALF, 5.5%, WITH THE INTENTION OF KNOWING THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS AGING SO THAT WE CAN REPLACE THAT AND NOT BE, NOT, IT'D BE A SURPRISE OR IN A BUDGET DEFICIT. SO THIS YEAR IT'S ZERO ON THE WATER AND IT'S JUST, IT'S 1% ON SEWER, SO THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A BIG, A BIG WIN. UH, SO I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE? A MOTION TO APPROVE? I APPROVE. OH, THANK YOUR HOWARD. I'LL TAKE THAT. AND, AND A SECOND. IS THAT A SECOND FROM YOU, CHRIS? YES. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. ITEM 60 IS APPROVED. THANK YOU, STEVEN. TAKE A LITTLE BREAK. ALRIGHT, [02:40:01] ITEM SIX D, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND QUADRANT ENTERPRISES. L-L-C-D-B-A-Q-I-P FOR THE ADDISON CIRCLE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT. WAYNE, UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, WAYNE EMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UH, SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING, UH, TO BRING BACK AND ACTION, UH, FROM APRIL OF 2022. UH, COUNSEL APPROVED A MOU, UH, AND AT THAT TIME WE ENTERED INTO EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATIONS WITH QIP, UM, AND THAT MOU UH, LAID OUT THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE WOULD COME BACK AT THIS TIME AND PRESENT TO YOU, UH, A FINANCIALLY VIABLE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD AT THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING. UM, THAT MOU ALSO LAID OUT, UH, WE WOULD BE APPROVING A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITHIN. IT WOULD HAVE, UM, THE NECESSARY DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS WITHIN IT AND CLEAR TIMELINES TO GET THOSE AGREEMENTS DONE. AND ANY OF, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THERE. UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO CHAD COOK WITH QUADRANT INVESTMENT PROPERTIES. HE'S GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU THAT FINAL PLAN, AND THEN AFTERWARDS I'LL PRESENT, UM, DETAILS OF THAT AGREEMENT TO YOU COUNSEL. SO, UH, THANK YOU WAYNE AND THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR, UH, HAVING US BACK. UH, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY FROM CITY STAFF THAT WE'VE SPENT NUMEROUS HOURS WORKING WITH TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING SINCE, UM, THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRESS, THIS WORKING, THIS WORKING. I JUST, OKAY, HERE WE GO. OKAY, I THINK, UH, WE COVERED QIP LAST TIME. I'LL GO A LITTLE BIT QUICKLY THROUGH THE BEGINNING PART HERE, BUT, UH, WE ARE A DEVELOPER OF MIXED USE, UH, CREATIVE OFFICE, SORT OF CENTERED, UH, PROJECTS. WE'VE, UM, BEEN VERY ACTIVE THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX, ESPECIALLY IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, WHERE WE HAVE DEVELOPED SOME OF THESE PRECEDENT IMAGES THAT WE WILL SHOW YOU AGAIN. UM, THE FIRST IS RIVER EDGE, WHICH IS 145,000 SQUARE FOOT FIVE STORY BUILDING. UH, THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT, UH, WITH A LOT OF NATURAL ELEMENTS. YOU CAN SEE HERE A PRIVATE BALCONIES ON EACH FLOOR, UH, FOR THE AT TENANT TO USE AN INTER AMEN AREA ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UH, A LOT OF OPEN AIR, VERY UNCONVENTIONAL, UM, IN ITS DESIGN. AND, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN A VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS. WE ARE IN LEASE UP RIGHT NOW. THIS IS A SHOT FOR ONE OF THE BALCONIES UP TOP. UM, THIS BUILDING, I'LL SAY WAS A BIG PART OF THE INSPIRATION THAT, UM, KINDA LED US DOWN HERE AND THAT HAS INFORMED SOME OF OUR THINKING ON OUR PROJECT HERE. THIS IS OUR TENANT LOUNGE. AGAIN, VERY DIFFERENT. VERY HOSPITALITY DRIVEN FITNESS, INCLUDING OUR COAL PLUNGE. OH, SORRY, THERE WE GO. AND THEN 1333, UH, WHICH WOULD DELIVER AT THE SAME TIME A 10 STORY BUILDING, 125,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THE THEME OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS IS SMALLER THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL BUILDINGS THAT, THAT WERE BUILT, SORT OF CALL IT A GENERATION AGO, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF OUR THESIS HERE. MORE BESPOKE AND MORE TARGETED TOWARD THE USERS IN THESE BUILDINGS. 30 AND 33 IS FIVE LEVELS OF PARKING WITH FIVE LEVELS OF OFFICE OVER IT. AND WE WORKED WITH A LOCAL GALLERY OWNER TO DESIGN THE LOBBY TO ACTUALLY FUNCTION AS A GALLERY, UM, WHICH HAS WORKED OUT REALLY WELL. AND THIS IS OUR TENANT MINUTE AREA ON THE NINTH FLOOR BUILT FOR OUR TENANTS TO SPEND TIME AWAY FROM THEIR DESK. BUT IN THE OFFICE, OUR CONFERENCE ROOM, UH, THIS BUILDING'S BEEN IN THE PRESS AS OF LATE THREE WEEKS AGO. WE RECAPITALIZED A BUILDING WITH A LOCAL FAMILY OFFICE THAT'S MOVING IN FROM ALL PARKLAND. UM, SO IT'S VERY EXCITING. PICKLEBALL COURT UP TOP BEST PICKLE COURT, UH, PICKLEBALL COURT VIEWS IN, UH, DALLAS, WE LIKE TO SAY. OKAY. AND MANUFACTURING DISTRICT, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO APPLICABLE. THIS IS ADAPTIVE REUSE, WHICH SORT OF SHOWS OUR CREATIVE MINDSET AND APPROACH ON A SMALLER SCALE THAN, UH, THAN UH, GROUND UP CONSTRUCTION. THIS WAS NINE DIFFERENT ACQUISITIONS WE STRUNG TOGETHER TO CREATE, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE MANUFACTURING DISTRICT. THIS IS OUR TENANT LOUNGE. SO HOPEFULLY THESE, UM, THIS IS A PEDESTRIAN PATH THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT RUNS BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. AGAIN, VERY UNIQUE. THIS IS AN OLD RAIL SPUR THAT WAS ABANDONED. OKAY, SO THAT LEADS US HERE. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ON THE PRECEDENT [02:45:01] IMAGES BEFORE? I KNOW WE'RE GETTING LATE, SO I'M TRYING TO KIND OF SKIP TO THAT. SO I GUESS THE FIRST SORT OF UPDATE, WE'VE LANDED ON A NAME AND A BRAND FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE CALLING ADDISON JUNCTION. UM, ADDISON JUNCTION'S A A NOD TO, I GUESS THE ORIGINAL NAME FOR ADDISON, WHICH WAS NOLL JUNCTION. AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS A JUNCTURE OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. YOU'VE GOT AIRPORT, YOU'VE GOT THE NEW, UH, THE NEW DARK COMING IN, THE COTTON BELT TRAIL, WHICH WE'RE VERY EXCITED. AND THEN, UM, ALL SORTS OF DEMOGRAPHIC TO PULL FROM THE APARTMENTS, THE OFFICE BUILDINGS. WE WILL SORT OF TOUCH MORE ON ALL OF THAT AS WE GO. SO THIS IS OUR UPDATED PLAN. IT FEATURES A 155,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S ON SIX FLOORS, A APPROXIMATE 500 CAR GARAGE THAT'LL BE ATTACHED VIA SKY BRIDGE ONTO TO TO THE ADDISON ARCHES THERE. UM, SURFACE PARKING, UH, FOR VISITORS ON THIS GROUND. UM, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT A 3,500 TO 4,000 SQUARE FOOT CAFE DELI ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE OFFICE. AND WE'LL SHOW YOU A LOT MORE OF THE DETAILED IMAGES ON THIS AS WE GO. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT STANDALONE RESTAURANT, FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WHERE YOU SEE NUMBER SEVEN HERE ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAVE THE HANGAR, UH, WHICH IS A ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION, ALSO SORT OF A LOCAL, UM, LOCAL HAPPY HOUR SPOT AND, AND LUNCH. UM, ACROSS THE TRACKS FROM THAT, WE HAVE, UH, THE FARMER'S MARKET, WHICH IS THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THAT'LL FEATURE MULTIPLE CONCEPTS. AND AGAIN, WE'LL GET INTO DETAIL ON ALL THESE AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH. UM, NEXT TO THAT IS, UH, SHARED PARKING FOR THESE CONCEPTS. AND THEN, UM, NEXT TO THAT, THE DARKER NUMBER TWO IS VAN BURINS, WHICH IS A APPROXIMATE 20,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, BEER GARDEN THAT'LL HAVE KIND OF A VERY BESPOKE DEFINED MENU. AND THEN LASTLY, UH, BUT DEFINITELY NOT LEAST IS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. UH, APPROXIMATELY 149 KEYS THAT WILL FACE THE PARK. THIS MIGHT HELP A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS THE JUST OVERHEAD OF THE SAME THAT PUTS THE HOTEL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. UM, SOME OF YOU'RE NOTICING LOOKING THAT SOME THINGS HAVE SWAPPED AROUND SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. UM, WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS. WE'VE ENGAGED, UM, WITH HOTEL OPERATORS, RETAIL, UM, RETAIL OPERATORS, RESTAURATEURS, AND, AND PART OF THAT LOOKING AT WHAT FUNCTIONS MIGHT FIT BEST, WHAT WAS THE EASIEST TO ACHIEVE, WHAT'S EASIEST FOR THE MARKET TO UNDERSTAND. WE REALIZED THE OFFICE FOOTPRINT AND THE HOTEL FOOTPRINT ARE VERY SIMILAR. SO A LOT OF INTERNAL CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH, UM, DECIDED TO SWAP THOSE OUT JUST TO SEE HOW IT LOOKED. AND IT ACTUALLY WAS MORE POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE, UM, HOTEL OPERATORS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO THE ENTERTAINMENT, UH, THE GROUPS WE'RE TALKING TO ABOUT THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. UH, WE'RE THRILLED. LOVE HAVING THE HOTEL NEXT TO IT. IT PUTS IT RIGHT OFF THE DART STATION, WHICH WE FEEL IS VERY POSITIVE. UM, AND THE OFFICE BUILDING ACTUALLY IS A LITTLE EASIER TO FIND, A LITTLE MORE PROMINENT, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE OFFICE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS ALSO EASIER AND WAS MUCH MORE FAVORABLE FOR THE OFFICE TEAM. SO, UH, MY FAVORITE ARCHITECT WHEN I SAID, WHY DID WE DO THIS FROM THE START? UM, SAID, ARCHITECTURE'S ITERATIVE. SO, UM, WE KINDA LEAN IN THE RIGHT SPOT THOUGH, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. UM, SO THIS IS A SHOT LOOKING NORTHWEST. WE LOVE THE PRESENCE ON ALL THE STREETS HERE AND HOW THAT WILL FEEL. IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ON HOW DENSE THIS WILL FEEL IN THE LINE OF SIGHT, YOU'LL SEE ON OUR VERY LAST IMAGE THAT WE END UP WITH, IT'S REALLY GONNA FEEL LIKE A DISTRICT. WE FEEL LIKE, NO, VERY CONNECTED. OKAY, HOTEL. I'LL GO QUICKLY. THIS IS STILL PRELIMINARY. WE HAVE, UM, ENGAGED WITH OPERATORS, UH, THAT REPRESENT BOTH MARRIOTT AND HILTON. UM, TO DO A, UH, A HIGHER END, NOT LUXURY, BUT A HIGHER END, UM, BOUTIQUE HOTEL THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF LIKE AN AUTO AUTOGRAPH OR A CURIO THAT WOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE RESTAURANT, PROBABLY TWO ON THE GROUND FLOOR. PLUS WE HAVE A RESTAURANT WE'LL SHOW YOU UP FRONT. AND THEN WHERE THIS SAYS RESTAURANT IN THE BACK, THIS 4,633 WOULD ACTUALLY BE EVENT SPACE OR, UM, UH, LIKE MEETING SPACE FOR CORPORATE GROUPS TO USE, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UH, AGAIN, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO OVERDESIGN THE HOTEL. THIS WILL CHANGE, BUT WE WANNA HAVE ENOUGH TO JUST APPROVE THE FEASIBILITY FOR THE OPERATORS. ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT YOU'LL NOTICE AS WE GO THROUGH IS WHAT I KIND OF CALL THE LANGUAGE OF THE BALCONIES. THERE'S BALCONIES OR OUTDOOR SPACE AND ALMOST ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT SHOULD HAVE A, A LINE OF SIGHT TO THE OTHER SPACES FOR THE MOST [02:50:01] PART, WHICH WE THINK IS REALLY EXCITING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE ACTIVITY ON THESE SPACES. UH, WE'RE BRANDING THIS RIGHT NOW. THE WIT, UH, THAT COULD CHANGE AGAIN, BUT ANOTHER KIND OF NOD TO ONE OF THE FOUNDING ADDISON FAMILIES. YOU CAN SEE OUR POOL WILL OVERLOOK THE DISTRICT AND LAYS OUT QUITE NICELY. THE RETAIL BUILDING THAT'S IN FRONT OF IT IS ABOUT 5,600 SQUARE FEET. WE SEE THIS BEING FULL SERVICE, SLIGHTLY ELEVATED, DEFINITELY LUNCH AND DINNER, WE'LL PLAY TO THE PARK AND THEN ALSO BE A BENEFIT TO THE HOTEL VAN BUREN. THIS IS VERY EXCITING. UM, THIS WAS OUR KIND OF INITIAL BEER GARDEN CONCEPT. UH, WE'VE ENGAGED WITH A LOCAL OPERATOR THAT'S EXTREMELY TALENTED. HE HAS A CHEF ON BOARD THAT HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH. UH, WE'VE DEVELOPED A MENU. UM, VAN BUREN WAS THE US PRESIDENT, NOT WHEN TEXAS ENTERED THE UNION, BUT BASICALLY OPENED THE DOOR AND ALLOWED THAT. SO A LITTLE NOD TO THE TEXAS HISTORY THERE. BUT THE IDEA IS IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SPACE ON TWO LEVELS, SITTING ON A LITTLE BIT OVER AN ACRE. SO YOU'VE GOT THIS GREAT OUTDOOR BACKYARD THAT PLAYS RIGHT OFF THE COTTON BELT TRAIL, WHICH RUNS HERE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE RENDERING OFF THE DART LINE, OBVIOUSLY. AND SHOULD BE, UH, JUST A GREAT CENTER OF GRAVITY. UM, THIS SPACE WILL BE IN THE SHADE STARTING AT TWO 30 TO FOUR 30 DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR PER OUR SUN STUDY. SO IT'S GONNA BE, UM, IT'LL BE OPEN FOR LUNCH, BUT, AND IT'S SET TO HAVE A LOT OF PRIVATE VENUES WITHIN IT, BUT, UM, SHOULD BE A HUGE DRAW THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS LOOKING BACK SORT OF WITH THE BACK TO THE DART STATION LOOKING IN. WE DESIGNED IT WHERE WE CAN PULL UP SOME OF THESE AREAS OVER TIME, SO IF THERE'S A BIG FESTIVAL OR EVENT, WE CAN SORT OF EXPAND THE CANVAS INTO THE PARK IN BIGGER AREA. UH, THERE IS A SMALL STAGE THAT COULD ALSO HAVE SCREENS FOR LIKE MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AGAIN, WE WANT IT TO BE SOMEWHERE PEOPLE WOULD GO TO MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK. AND WE ARE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE 3000 APARTMENT UNITS WITHIN A HALF A MILE THAT WOULD, UM, WE THINK MAKE USE OF THIS THE FARMER'S MARKET. UH, THIS IS THREE BUILDINGS SETTLING APPROXIMATELY 12,000 SQUARE FEET. WE'VE GONE AND SOCIALIZED THIS WITH SEVERAL USERS AND, UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FEEDBACK THERE AS WELL. UM, WE HAVE BASICALLY THE THREE BUILDINGS WILL ALL BE DESIGNED TO HAVE CLOSE ACCESS, ESPECIALLY WITH A AND C HERE TO THE PARKING LOT, WHERE WE'D HAVE A COMBINED GREASE TRAP THAT WOULD SERVE THEM, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNITY AREA HERE IN THE MIDDLE, WE'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE RENDERING ON THAT ACCESS RIGHT OFF THE COTTON BELT. THAT'LL DRAW PEOPLE IN WITH A ANOTHER PUBLIC AREA JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THEN I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BE WE HAVE SEVEN TO 10 USES WITHIN THESE THREE BUILDINGS. AGAIN, GREAT FEEDBACK FROM BICYCLE SHOP, A CHOCOLATE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? CHOCOLATE C CHOCOLA TIER. UM, A UH, LOW, AN URBAN MARKET CONCEPT THAT I THINK EVERYONE WOULD BE VERY EXCITED ABOUT. UM, UH, AND I MENTIONED BIKE SHOP ALREADY. UH, BAKERY. WE'RE TALKING TO A WHOLE LOT OF USERS, JUST TRYING TO SORT OF GET THEM NAILED DOWN, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE TWO TO THREE USERS PER BUILDING, AGAIN, ALL KIND OF OPENING UP TO THIS INTERIOR AREA. YEAH, SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THIS WILL CONTINUE TO MORPH, BUT I THINK THE BASIC SHAPE, IT'S BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED. THAT'S LOOKING FROM THE PARKING LOT. VERY COOL. YEAH, WE HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH THIS. UH, UM, RIGHT ACROSS THE TRACKS FROM THAT, UH, IS THE HANGAR. THIS HASN'T CHANGED A LOT FROM LAST TIME. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 10,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE GROUND FLOOR WITH, CALL IT FIVE TO 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF MEZZANINE. THAT'LL BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THAT'LL LEAD ALSO TO OUTDOOR SPACE, UH, SOME OF WHICH WILL OVERLOOK OUR, OUR DISTRICT. AGAIN, THE THOUGHT IS THAT THIS IS A PLACE, AGAIN, YOU'D GO FOR A HAPPY HOUR OR A LUNCH, BUT ALSO IS DESIGNED FOR CORPORATE EVENTS. IT'LL HAVE A SMALLER STAGE, IT'LL HAVE A FULL SERVICE KITCHEN, AND IT'S RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE DISTRICT AND IT'S A, IT'S, SORRY. MOST IMPORTANTLY, KIND OF A NOD TO THE AIRPORT ALSO. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR MASS TIMBER. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR IN SCALE AND SIZE, ALTHOUGH WE'VE MOVED SOME BALCONIES AROUND FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION. WE REALLY LIKE THE LAYOUT HERE. UM, WE WERE ABLE TO GET PLENTY OF SURFACE PARKING FOR VISITORS. THE OFFICE TENANTS WILL USE THE GARAGE ON THE BACKSIDE. THERE'S SOME BACK OF THE HOUSE PARKING, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP, UM, SUPPORT THE RETAIL ON THE FRONT. THE PROMINENT CLN RETAIL IN THE CORNER WILL BE GREAT. THAT'S KIND OF OUR HERO SHOT. UM, AND WILL BE MASS TIMBER. AND WE REALLY TRY TO EMPHASIZE THAT. UH, SOME BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT TO ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE HIDDEN BEHIND [02:55:01] YOUR THE GLASS AND UH, WE WANT PEOPLE TO SEE IT. SO, UH, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND THE KIND OF OLIVE THEME COLOR TO IT, UH, IT'LL BE VERY UNIQUE. OUR AMENITY AREA FOR THE TENANTS WILL BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, SO AS THEY ENTER IN ACROSS, UM, THE SKY BRIDGE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME TO THAT AREA. THAT'LL BE THEIR KIND OF MORE EXCLUSIVE AREA, ALREADY GETTING GOOD FEEDBACK FROM USERS ON THIS. AND THEN MAYBE MY FAVORITE SHOT FROM THE BALCONY OVER THE WHOLE DISTRICT. NO, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO GET RID OF THE AIRPORT. WE JUST DIDN'T RENDER IT HERE. SO , UH, THE GARAGE WILL BE CONNECTED. WE WANT THIS TO BE EXTREMELY GREEN. OUR PLAN WILL BE TO RUN IRRIGATION THROUGH SO ALL THESE WILL GROW AT THE SAME TIME AS OPPOSED TO JUST FROM THE BOTTOM UP. AND WE'LL HELP, UM, REALLY SORT OF, I DUNNO, BE THE FIRST THING A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SEE WHEN THEY COME IN. AND AGAIN, THAT'S AROUND 500 SPOTS RIGHT NOW. I'LL SERVICE THE OFFICE AND THEN SOME THIS WE SHOWED BEFORE, BUT JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING FOR THE AREA. UM, AND WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE PARKING HERE IN BETWEEN THESE RETAIL CONCEPTS. ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THIS WILL BE DEVELOPED. THAT'S THE PLAN. UM, WE WANNA WAIT AND SEE WHAT MAKES MOST SENSE TO DEVELOP THERE. I THINK WE'LL LEARN A LOT OVER TIME WITH THESE USERS THAT COME AND, UM, LIKE SOME FLEXIBILITY. IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE OPENING THIS NEW DISTRICT THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF EASY PARKING TO JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME. THEN OVER TIME, IF THAT GETS MOVED A LITTLE, UM, YOU'VE GOT YOUR KIND OF BUILT IN BASE AND THEN THE TREES, WE ARE STILL ABLE TO SAVE THEM. SAME AS LAST TIME, I THINK WE'RE SAVING 26 TREES FROM THE MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS PLAN. WE'LL ADD SOME SIDE TREES AS WELL, BUT THE TREES ARE MATURE, SO IT'S GREAT. THAT SHOULD REALLY HELP ENHANCE THIS AREA. SO THAT'S KIND OF QUICK VERSION. I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS MORE. LET ME GO AHEAD AND FINISH. YEAH. OH, I'M SORRY. NO QUESTIONS YET. WHEN YOU GO STANDBY, DAMNIT. YEAH, SORRY. I THINK IT'D BE EASIER IF WE GO THROUGH OUR PIECE IN THAT WAY. THAT'LL BE GOOD. YEAH. YEAH. , HE'S STOLE. DAN, CAN YOU HEAR US ALL? , HE'S ALIVE. YES, I CAN HEAR YOU WAY NOW. WE'RE JUST CHECKING ON YOU. DAN, SAME THING. OH, THAT'S NOT, YOU WANNA CLICK? THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO I THINK WE, UH, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS. I THINK CHAD JUST WENT THROUGH THAT IN GREAT DETAIL. UH, WHAT I'LL TRY TO DO IS, UH, GIVE YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO, SO WE STRUCTURED THIS AGREEMENT AND WHAT WE'RE CALLING FOUR PHASES. THE PLAN REALLY IS FOR ALL OF THIS TO DEVELOP AT ONCE, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF BREAKING THIS OUT LEGALLY. AND OF COURSE, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF PHASING. AND SO WE BROKE IT INTO THESE FOUR PHASES FOR THAT PURPOSE. UH, THOSE FOUR PHASES ARE, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY. THAT INCLUDES VAN BURINS, THE FARMER'S MARKET. UM, AND, AND THEN PHASE TWO IS THE HANGAR OVER ON THE DART PROPERTY. PHASE THREE BEING THE CLASS A MASS TIMBER OFFICE AND THE RESTAURANT OUT FRONT ON THAT PARCEL TO INCLUDE THE PARKING STRUCTURE AND THEN THE BOUTIQUE, UH, HOTEL, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY. SO, UM, THE OTHER ASPECT TO THIS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THIS IS, UH, REPRESENTS A LARGE PORTION OF THE TOWN'S CONTRIBUTION AND INVESTMENT INTO THAT. UH, SO OVERALL WE'RE CALLING THESE PUBLIC FACILITIES. SO ONE THING THAT'S, UH, DISTINCT ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE PRIOR, UH, M OF VIEWS IS THAT ALL OF THE INCENTIVES ARE GONNA BE PUBLICLY OWNED ASSETS. UH, AND THERE ARE NO, UM, GRANTS OTHER THAN THE CONVEYING OF LAND ON THE OFFICE, WHICH I'LL GET TO THAT WHEN WE GET THERE. UM, BUT THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE HERE AT A HIGH LEVEL, UH, INCLUDES, UH, THE REDOING A FESTIVAL WAY, THE ADDITION OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, UH, PARK SITE ARRIVAL OFF THE TOD, THAT ENTERTAINMENT PLAZA, THE TEMPORARY SURFACE PARKING LOT, AND THEN, UH, THE OPEN SPACE IN THE FARMER'S MARKET AREA IN WHICH THAT'S WILL THE, WHERE THE ACTUAL, UH, FARMER'S MARKET WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE WEEKENDS. I ALSO DO WANNA POINT OUT, I I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, THAT WITHIN THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THERE ARE SEVERAL FUTURE DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS THAT WE WILL NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL ON. UM, SO WHENEVER WE PRESENT SOMETHING HERE, WE ALWAYS WANNA PRESENT [03:00:01] THAT FISCAL IMPACT. AND I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW ON HOW WE DID THIS. AT THE VERY END, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROJECT, BUT, UM, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE BEST TO LOOK AT EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY. SO THIS FIRST ONE IS THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE WAY THAT WE DECIDED TO PRESENT THIS IS SINCE THAT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS GONNA SERVE THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, WE WANTED TO ISOLATE THAT COST HERE. AND THEN THE REVENUES YOU SEE ARE THE, UH, REVENUES THAT WE'RE PROJECTING OVER THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS ESTIMATED COST IS 15.5 MILLION TO 22.2 MILLION. SO THIS ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW, UH, SINCE WE ARE VERY EARLY, EARLY IN THE DESIGN PHASE INCLUDES A 30% CONTINGENCY. SO WE DO EXPECT TO SEE THAT NUMBER COME DOWN AND HOPEFULLY CLOSER TO THAT 15.5. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SO EARLY, UM, WE HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT ABOUT A 20% CONTINGENCY, BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND BUILT THAT 30% IN TO AVOID ANY SURPRISES IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT CONTINGENCY DOES NOT INCLUDE INFLATION. SO THOSE COSTS ARE ALREADY PROJECTED OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, UH, TWO YEARS WHEN WE EXPECT THIS TO, TO GO IN. UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IT DOES INCLUDE INFLATION. SO THE NOT IN THE CONTINGENCY, THOSE ACTUAL COSTS ARE ALREADY BAKED INTO THE COST. OKAY. SO CONTINGENCY IS LITERALLY JUST, UH, ITEMS UNFORESEEN. OKAY. OREN, UNFORESEEN COSTS, 'CAUSE WE CAN KIND OF, UH, FORESEE INFLATION THAT'S NOT, UH, INCLUDED IN CONTINGENCY, BUT THE ESTIMATED COST IS INCLUDED, UH, DOES INCLUDE, UM, INFLATION. IT DOES, YES. UH, SO THAT PAYBACK PERIOD COMES AT, UH, 6.4 YEARS IN THAT LOW RANGE GOING UP TO THE HIGH RANGE. IT'S 8.2 YEARS, UH, 30 YEAR PROJECTED REVENUES IS 120 MILLION. ALSO, WHEN WE MODELED THIS OUT, WE ALSO DID A NET PRESENT VALUE ASSESSMENT. SO WE USED A 4% DISCOUNT RATE, WHICH IS, UH, ABOUT THE AVERAGE, UH, THAT WE COULD ISSUE DEBT AT. UM, SO MOVING ON TO OTHER USES IN THE DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE THE ENTERTAINMENT AND THE DART UH, PARCEL. SO THE MINIMUM INVESTMENT IN THAT AGREEMENT IS $22 MILLION. THAT INCLUDES VAN BUREN, THE FARMER'S MARKET, AND, UH, THOSE TEMPORARY SURFACE PARKING. AND THEN, UM, WITHIN THAT, THERE'S A DEFINITIVE AGREEMENT THAT, UH, STATES THAT WE'RE GONNA DO A GROUND LEASE. AND THIS INC WE LOOKED AT THAT WHOLE PIECE WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT AND THE HOTEL. AND, UM, THAT AMOUNT WILL NOT BE LESS THAN 500,000. UM, ONE OF THOSE DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS WILL BE THOSE 99 YEAR GROUND LEASES WHERE WE'LL HAVE THOSE, UH, DETAILS, UH, IRONED OUT. THEN, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS OVER ON THE DART SIDE IS A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF 8 MILLION ON THE HANGAR. AND SO I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THESE RENDERINGS, BUT THIS IS, UH, THE VAN BURINS, UH, THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THE HANGAR THAT WE JUST SPOKE OF. UM, SO THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS A TOTAL OF 42,000 SQUARE FEET. UH, OH, I'M SORRY. AND I, I KIND OF SKIPPED OVER THIS. UH, IN THE BIG, ANOTHER BIG PIECE IS THE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE RETAIL GARAGE PORTION. SO, UH, LATER I WILL TALK ABOUT THE HOTEL, BUT WE TRIED TO DO SOURCES AND USES SO YOU REALLY, UH, UNDERSTAND WHERE THE INCENTIVE IS GOING AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE USED. SO WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 6 MILLION OF THAT, UH, PUBLIC FACILITY OF THAT GARAGE. W WILL FACILITATE PUBLIC PARKING FOR ALL OF THOSE USES BEING VAN BUREN. AND, UM, AND THE FARMER'S MARKET IN ADDITION TO THE SURFACE PARKING PAYBACK PERIOD ON THAT IS 8.3 YEARS. UH, 30 YEARS JUST ABOUT JUST UNDER 30 MILLION. AND A NET PRESENT VALUE JUST UNDER 12. MOVING ON, HOW ARE YOU GETTING A PAYBACK ON A PARKING GARAGE? WHERE, WHERE DOES THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM? S SO THOSE REVENUES ARE THE REVENUES TIED TO THE RETAIL, UH, PIECE. SO THE ADVIL OREM ON VAN BUREN, THE VALOREM ON THE FARMER'S MARKET, THE SALES TAX ON, ON, UH, THE HANGAR, THE SALES TAX ON ALL OF THOSE. SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THE SOURCE AND THE USE. SO WE NEED THE, THE PARKING FOR THAT AND THE REVENUE THAT'S GONNA PAY THAT BACK IS GONNA COME FROM THOSE USES. BUT ISN'T THAT TRUE OF ALL OF THEM, ALL, ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GETTING ALL OF OUR MONEY BACK, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUST REALLY ISOLATE, HERE'S THE INCENTIVE AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA GET PAID BACK ON IT. THE VERY END WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE GONNA ROLL IT ALL UP TOGETHER FOR YOU AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT. BUT REALLY THIS WAS JUST KIND OF SHOWING, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE NEED, UH, TO INCENTIVIZE THE RETAIL PORTION ON THE GARAGE AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S SERVICING AND HERE'S HOW THE, THAT REVENUE, HOW WE'RE GONNA GET PAID BACK ON THAT. ALONG THE SAME LINES, SIR, UM, JUST TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, THERE'S NOT A DOUBLE [03:05:01] DIPPING ON REVENUE. UM, WELL, ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YES, BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S OVER THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, BUT FROM HERE FORWARD, THERE'LL BE NO DOUBLE DIPPING. AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER. ULTIMATELY, THE, THE SUMMARY THAT WAYNE'S GONNA SHOW LATER ON IS, OKAY, THE TOTAL IS HE'S JUST GOING THROUGH THIS PIECE BY PIECE TO GET SURE, I GOT IT SOME MORE DETAIL. OKAY. SO ON THAT, UH, MASS TIMBER OFFICE, MIDDLE INVESTMENT OF 79 MILLION, UM, THE TOWN'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GARAGE PORTION OF THAT. THE WAY THAT WE HAVE THAT WRITTEN IN THE AGREEMENT IS THAT, UH, THERE'S $19 MILLION TO GO INTO THESE GARAGES. WE ESTIMATE 9 MILLION OF THAT WILL GO INTO THE OFFICE BUILDING. UM, ONCE, ONCE AGAIN ISOLATING THAT OUT AGAIN, UH, ACCOUNTING FOR THAT 9 MILLION ON THE OFFICE, WE LOOK AT THAT PAYBACK PERIOD, ABOUT 13.4 YEARS. THE REVENUE FROM THAT IS THE AD VALOREM ON THE GARAGE AND THE SALES TAX ON THAT RETAIL PARCEL, UH, RIGHT OUT IN FRONT, UH, 30 YEAR, UH, REVENUES, 20 MILLION NET PRESENT VALUE AT FIVE, JUST OVER FIVE, UH, HOTEL, THE MINIMUM INVESTMENT, 81 MILLION, THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT 99 YEAR GROUND LEASE. SO THAT 500,000 TO BE ALLOCATED OUT OVER THE ENTERTAINMENT AND THE HOTEL PORTION ONCE AGAIN TO BE FURTHER, UH, DEFINED IN THAT, IN THAT DEFINITIVE AGREEMENT. AND THEN THAT 19 MILLION, WE ESTIMATE 4 MILLION OF THAT WOULD GO INTO THE HOTEL IN ADDITION. SO YOU'VE GOT THE, WITHIN THIS GARAGE, YOU GOT 4 MILLION IN THE HOTEL, 6 MILLION IN THE RETAIL, SO 10 MILLION IN THIS GARAGE IN TOTAL. UM, WE ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING, UH, DE DEPENDING ON, UH, LEGISLATION FROM THE STATE, IF THAT COMES THROUGH IN TWO YEARS, WE DO HAVE THE OPTION TO BUILD A CONVENTION CENTER ON TOP OF THAT GARAGE. UM, SO WE DO HAVE THAT OPTIONALITY, BUT WE BELIEVE THIS PLAN IS FEASIBLE AND, UH, DELIVERABLE TO THE MARKET WITHOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER. AND THEN WE WILL OF COURSE FURTHER EXPLORE THAT OPTION AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT DATE, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY KIND OF, UH, ALIGN TO WHEN WE EXPECT TO ACTUALLY, UH, GO VERTICAL. SO, UH, IT'S FORTUNATE TIMING THERE. SO LOOKING AT JUST THAT HOTEL PIECE, UM, TOWN PARTICIPATION, 4 MILLION FOR THAT PORTION OF THE HOTEL. PAYBACK PERIODS, 4.9 YEARS ON THAT. $54 MILLION IN REVENUES OVER 30 AND A JUST UNDER 25 MILLION IN NET PRESENT VALUE. SO, SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS ALL OF THAT ROLLED UP TOGETHER. SO THIS IS THE, THE OVERALL AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE, UH, ESTIMATING BETWEEN 15 AND 22 MILLION ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, 19 MILLION FOR THAT, UH, FOR BOTH THOSE PARKING GARAGE THAT COMES IN AT, UH, 12 AND A HALF YEARS ON THAT PAYBACK PERIOD. UH, 104 MILLION. UH, AND THAT, UH, INCLUDES THE HIGH RANGE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ESTIMATE. AND THE 30 YEAR NET PRESENT VALUE ON THAT, UH, INVESTMENT WOULD BE, UH, JUST OVER 30 MILLION. AND SO KIND OF COMPARING THIS BETWEEN THE, THE OLD MOUS, WE WANT TO KIND OF DO A BREAKDOWN HERE FOR YOU. NOTHING REALLY CHANGED IN OUR OFFICE PARKING GUARD'S CONTRIBUTION, NOTHING CHANGED. IN THE RETAIL, YOU DO SEE AN ADDITIONAL 4 MILLION 'CAUSE WE ADDED A HOTEL INTO THE PROJECT. UM, THERE ARE NO MORE PERMIT FEE WAIVERS IN THIS CURRENT PLAN. UH, WE TOOK OUT THE 8 MILLION THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A GRANT TO THE MULTIFAMILY TOWER. AND THEN, UH, WITHIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE COST, THE, UH, THAT OTHER PLAN REQUIRED REALIGNING SPECTRUM FOR WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS BEING CALLED THE PODIUM MULTIFAMILY. SO THAT $9 MILLION GOES AWAY. AND SO THIS NEW PLAN ACTUALLY SEES, UH, ABOUT 14 POINT A HALF MILLION IN COST SAVINGS. I'LL JUST JUMP IN AND MAKE ONE NOTE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THESE NUMBERS. IT'S IMPORTANT WE LOOK AT IT THIS WAY AND WE SAY, HERE'S OUR INCENTIVE. BUT THERE IS SOME NUANCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT. OBVIOUSLY THE GARAGE, THIS, WE WOULDN'T BE BUILDING GARAGES WITHOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, THAT'S ROADS, THAT'S SEWER, THAT'S STORM WATER. CERTAINLY WE'RE EXPEDITING THOSE, WE'RE DOING THOSE NOW FOR THIS PROJECT. BUT THOSE ARE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO REGARDLESS AS THIS PROJECT GOT DEVELOPED. SO IT'S NOT AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS PLAN WHERE THERE WAS A TAX GRANT INCLUDED, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THE MORE TRADITIONAL INCENTIVES WE LIKE, THAT WE'RE LEANING ON INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT IT BENEFITS THE PUBLIC AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT A LITTLE MORE AS WE TALK ABOUT THE SOURCES OF THE FUNDS FOR THOSE. SO ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS SINCE, UH, THE BIG MAJORITY CHANGE OF THAT IS THE LACK OF HAVING TO REALIGN SPECTRUM. CORRECT. OKAY. [03:10:02] OR NOT HAVING TO REALIGN IT. SORRY, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. BUT YEAH. UM, SO THIS IS, UH, SOME FUNDING SOURCES AND USES AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ASK STEVEN TO, TO COME UP HERE, BUT, UM, WITH THE, OUR OFFICE PARKING GARAGE, UH, THAT REQUIRES, UM, SOME EXCLUSIVITY TO JUST THE OFFICE TENANTS AT A PORTION, BECAUSE OF THAT EXCLUSIVITY, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FUND THAT THROUGH DEBT THAT NEEDS TO BE CASH FUNDED. WE DO AN, UH, ANTICIPATE PAYING THAT BACK VIA THE TURS. THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UM, FUNDS THAT COULD POSSIBLY COME FROM I, INCLUDING THE STREETS, UH, SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUND WITH THE RETAIL PIECE. THERE WAS A, UH, GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ELECTION IN 2012, UM, THAT IS ELIGIBLE. SO THAT'S 3 MILLION THERE. THE REMAINDER WE ANTICIPATE USING, OH, CAN YOU STOP THERE FOR A SECOND? UH OH, I'M SORRY. NO, NO, NO. OH, THANK YOU. TELL ME AGAIN WHY WE NEED TO PAY CASH FOR THE OFFICE PARKING GARAGE. SO THAT'S, UH, AND MAYBE, UM, OUR ATTORNEY CAN, CAN HELP US OUT. THAT'S, UH, FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT YOU CAN USE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEALS TO FUND A GARAGE LIKE THAT. BUT YOU, YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT WITH DEBT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE EQUAL ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC. SO WITH THE OTHER GARAGES, THOSE ARE GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT ALL TIMES. BUT BECAUSE DURING A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE DAY THE TENANTS ARE GONNA REQUIRE EXCLUSIVE ACCESS TO THAT, WE CAN'T EXCLUDE THE PUBLIC AND, AND ISSUE THAT WITH DEBT. OKAY. SO WHY, YEAH, SO WHILE YOU'RE THERE, I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME FOLLOWING, IT'S ONLY TWO GARAGES WE'RE BUILDING, BUT YOU'RE BREAKING OUT THE COST OF THE, THE RETAIL PARKING IN THE HOTEL, THE RETAIL AND THE HOTEL PARKING GARAGE ARE GONNA BE COMBINED ADJACENT TO THE HOTEL, CORRECT? IS THAT RIGHT? SO THE OFFICE PARKING, THAT'S GONNA BE STRICTLY FOR OFFICE USE. NO ONE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO PARK THERE AND GO TO CHURCH THE NIGHT, WEEKENDS. IT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT NIGHT. IT WILL YES. NINE WEEKENDS AND WE CAN USE IT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND, AND THOSE ISSUES. SO IT, IT WILL HAVE A PUBLIC BENEFIT SURVEY. YEP. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THOSE QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU GAVE THE PRESENTATION LAST TIME, THAT ONLY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE GARAGE WOULD BE FOR THE OFFICE SPACE. I THOUGHT WE SAID LIKE TWO FLOORS AND THE REST OF IT WOULD BE PUBLIC ACCESS AND WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS STARTING AFTER BUSINESS HOURS DURING THE WEEK. SO THAT GOES BACK TO WE SWITCHED THE PLAN. LEMME SEE IF MY, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK HERE, BUT WE HAVEN'T SWITCHED IT SINCE I'VE SEEN IT. BUT THIS IS THE ONLY ONE I'D EVER SEEN. SO THAT WHEN A PREVI, OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, THE, WHEN THE OFFICE WAS OVER THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO. BUT NOW AT THE HOTEL SWAPPED, WE'RE DOING THAT AT THE HOTEL LOCATION. I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHERE WE WANT TO HAVE OPEN PARKING FOR RETAIL IS BY THE RETAIL. SO, SO YEAH, THE, THE CHANGE WAS FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN. I GOT YOU. I, LIKE I SAY, THIS IS THE ONLY PLAN THAT'S EVER BEEN PRESENTED TO ME. AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE OFFICE SPACE WOULD ONLY BE, LIKE I STATED EARLIER, JUST A COUPLE OF FLOORS AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK, IT WOULD ALL BE, OR AFTER BUSINESS HOURS, IT WOULD ALL BE AND WEEKENDS AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. NO, THAT'S MORE THE CASE OVER ON THE HOTEL. THEY GET THE ENTIRE GARAGE DURING, DURING BUSINESS HOURS. SO AT NIGHT ON WEDNESDAY, WE GET IT. YES. BUT THE PUBLIC WILL GET IT. YES. OKAY. AND THAT'S REALLY JUST TO MAKE THE OFFICE VIABLE AND JUST GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ATTRACT A TENANT IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. SO IT'S KIND OF THAT, UH, BALANCE BETWEEN, UM, WHAT THE MARKET, UH, DEMANDS THERE. HEY WAYNE, WAYNE, REAL QUICK ON THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HOTEL PARKING AND THE RETAIL PARKING, WHERE'S THE RETAIL PARKING? SO THE RETAIL AND THE HOTEL PARKING ARE GOING TO BE TOGETHER. OKAY. AND SO ONCE AGAIN, KIND OF BREAKING THAT OUT ON HOW WE CAN FUND THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE 4 MILLION DEDICATED TO HOTEL PARKING. WE CAN ALSO USE, UH, HOTEL TAX REVENUE BONDS TO FUND THAT. THEY'RE IN THE SAME STRUCTURE. THEY'RE IN THE SAME STRUCTURE, BUT WE CAN RIGHT BIFURCATE THAT. AND WHAT FUNDS WILL BE FOR THE OFFICE SPACE GARAGE. SO THAT COULD BE PRIMARILY CASH FUNDED. I DON'T KNOW. STEVEN, DO YOU WANT TO COME TALK ABOUT MAYBE SOME OF THESE OTHER OPTIONS? 'CAUSE IT, IT DOES GET KIND OF COMPLICATED. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. SO REALLY CASH FUNDED, BUT AS IT SAYS, REPAID BY THE TURS. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT TS IS GOING TO, UM, BASICALLY BE TAKING A LOAN FROM EITHER GENERAL FUNDS, SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS, FUND, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND, UH, STREET SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUND. THOSE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF OF FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UH, CASH, UH, THAT WE COULD USE FOR THIS. AND OVER TIME, AS THAT INCREMENT BUILDS UP IN THAT TURS, IT'S GONNA REPAY THAT, UH, THOSE FUNDS BACK TO THE, TO WHICHEVER FUND IT BORROW FROM. NO, BUT THE TURS HAS NOT BEEN ACTIVATED YET. CORRECT. [03:15:02] AND WHEN WILL THAT BE ACTIVATED AND WHEN WILL WE KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE STATE OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL? SO, UH, I THINK OUR GOAL IS, UH, TO HAVE THAT APPROVED BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST. THAT WAY, UH, IT STARTS TAX YEAR JANUARY 1ST, SO YES, SIR. AND ALSO ANOTHER BEN, ANOTHER BENEFIT BY DECEMBER 31ST IS DART WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE TURS. SO WE WILL GET A PORTION OF THE DART REVENUE BACK. RIGHT. I I REMEMBER THEM SAYING THAT NOW, BUT I, I THOUGHT I DID REMEMBER THAT IT HADN'T BEEN CREATED YET AND WE NEEDED TO DO THAT. JUST PAY FOR THAT. THAT'S, I CAN RUN THROUGH THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THESE SINCE I'M, SINCE I'M UP HERE. UM, BUT, UH, I THINK WAYNE, WAYNE, UH, ENDED AT THE HOTEL PARKING GARAGE WITH, UH, HOTEL REVENUE BONDS OR HOTEL FUND RESERVES. COMBINATION OF BOTH ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STREET INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, WE WOULD PROPOSE, UM, CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR THOSE. IF IT'S STREETS. UH, AGAIN, THE TURS WOULD, UH, WOULD REPAY THAT OVER TIME, WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, CAN BE FUNDED BY THE UTILITY FUND, STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, BY THE STORMWATER FUND, EITHER CASH OR THE DEBT SERVICE, UH, PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ISSUE COS FOR THOSE. SO THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE CASH FUNDED. UH, THOSE ARE A, A SMALLER PORTION OF THAT OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE COST. UH, BUT THAT AGAIN, WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE OFFICE PARKING GARAGE WHERE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THOSE, UH, FUNDS THAT HAVE CASH RESERVES WOULD, WOULD, UH, WOULD LOAN THAT MONEY ESSENTIALLY TO THE TURS, THE TURS WOULD REPAY THAT OVER TIME. A QUESTION RELATED TO THE TURS. SO WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS ALL OF THIS NEW DEBT DOESN'T PUT ANY STRESS ON THE GENERAL FUND. MM-HMM . SO THE TIMING OF EVERYTHING, IT, IT'S GREAT TO SAY THAT ALL THIS IS GONNA BE REPAID BY THE TURS, BUT IF IT'S NOT FUNDED FROM THE BEGINNING, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE, UM, FOR THOSE, FOR ANY MEANINGFUL AMOUNT TO GET INTO THAT TOUR? WOULD IT BE LIKE ONE YEAR? BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO SEE THOSE AIL ALARMS HIT, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION. SO DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH MY QUESTION? YES. IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN ONE YEAR. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, I THINK FINAL CONSTRUCTION IS SOMEWHERE IN 28, 20 28, 20 29, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES, IT'S REALLY OVER A YEAR AFTER SOMETHING IS CONSTRUCTED THAT WE GET THE FULL VALUE OF IT BECAUSE IT'S ASSESSED AND THEN WE GET THE TAX REVENUE. SO ESSENTIALLY ONE OF THESE FUNDS, FOR INSTANCE, THE GENERAL FUND WILL HAVE AN ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE FROM THIS TURS FUND. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS OUT OF THIS TS FUND AND IT'S GOING TO ESSENTIALLY, UH, REPAY THOSE FUNDS AS WE GO FORWARD. BUT I KNOW YOU WELL ENOUGH, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? SO I'VE DONE THIS AT ANOTHER CITY BECAUSE YOU CAN GO OUT AND SELL TURS BONDS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY HIGH INTEREST RATE. THEY'RE, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIRT BO WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE WOULD CALL DIRT BONDS ON OPEN LAND. SO THERE'S NOTHING THERE. THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A TAX BASE COMING. SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT THIS WAY, WE GET A LOWER BORROWING COST. THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE TAKING, TAKING LOANS FROM . SO, SO THAT, AND THEN THE, THE TIMING OF EVERYTHING, I MEAN WE, WE'VE SEEN THAT THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN IN STAGES. SO I ALSO KNOW YOU, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE GIVEN IT ENOUGH THOUGHT TO LINE UP, UM, YOU KNOW, COST OF FUNDS, UM, TIMING OF EVERYTHING. SO WE DON'T GET STUCK WITH TRYING TO MAKE A DEBT PAYMENT OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. WELL WE, YEAH, WE, WE WOULD NOT BE DOING THAT. UM, AND THESE FUNDS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME OF THESE OTHER RESERVES SUCH AS, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THOSE SELF-FUNDED FUNDS THAT HAVE RESERVES. THIS IS REALLY A GOOD USE OF THOSE. UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND, WHICH WE DON'T USE, UH, WE HAVEN'T USED A LOT. IT'S GOT A PRETTY BIG CASH FUND BALANCE SITTING THERE MM-HMM . UM, AND IT, IT, IT'S LOANED MONEY TO THE AIRPORT BEFORE AS WELL. SO IT'S A SIMILAR DEAL THAT WE DID WITH THE AIRPORT TO BUY THE INITIAL, UH, RE AIRPORT RESCUE FIREFIGHTING VEHICLE. THEY TOOK A LOAN, UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE AIRPORT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FUND AND THE AIRPORT REPAID IT OVER TIME. UM, SO IT'S A SIMILAR CONCEPT TO THAT. UM, DOES THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. WE WILL GET SALES TAX QUICKER. SO WITHIN THIS NEW CONCEPT, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE SALES TAX BASE AS WELL THAN THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT THAT'S IMMEDIATE WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET SALES TAX. AND YOU MIGHT WANNA SPEAK TO, AS WE CREATE THE TURS, WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT WILL INCREASE IN VALUE RIGHT AWAY THAT WE KNOW OF. WE, WE DO HAVE SOME. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JPI, THE, THE, UH, UM, MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW, [03:20:01] UH, THAT WON'T, THAT WASN'T COMPLETE THIS YEAR. SO THAT WOULD BE THAT CONCERN AND DETERS THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. SO WE WOULD GET THAT INCREMENT BASED ON THAT VALUE. SO WE WILL GET SOME, AND WE'LL GET THE, THE REAPPRAISAL OF, OF EXISTING PROPERTIES IN, IN, UH, THIS AREA AS WELL. WE WON'T GET THE NEW STUFF FROM, YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME REVENUE COMING, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT GONNA ISSUE ALL OF THE DEBT ALL AT ONCE EITHER. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ALIGN, YOU KNOW, STREAMS OF REVENUE WITH DEBT SERVICE. YEAH. I MEAN YOU IS, YOU HAVE TO ISSUE IT BEFORE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OUT AND SELL IT ALL AT ONCE BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE READY TO, TO DO ANY OF THE WORK. OKAY. BUT WE DO HAVE TO SELL THE DEBT OBVIOUSLY BEFORE WE GO OUT AND START AWARDING CONTRACTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. OKAY. AND I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION. I'M SORRY CHAD. SO HIS BUILDING'S GONNA BE ON A GROUND LEAD? WELL, NO, HE'S GONNA OWN THE LAND, BUT IT'S PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT IF WE'RE WIDELY, YOU KNOW, WILDLY SUCCESSFUL. IS HE ALLOWED TO, UM, DISPUTE THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING? YES. OKAY. ALL COUNT. HEY, NOW I, I, I'VE TRIED, I TRIED TO SLIP THAT IN EVERY IN PRETTY MUCH EVERY AGREEMENT. UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL BUY IT ON, UH, SLIPPING THAT. OKAY. I JUST HAD TO ASK THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. YES. UM, THEY, THEY CAN STILL PROTEST AND GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR LARGER PROPERTIES THAT ALSO GO FORWARD WITH LAWSUITS AGAINST THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AS WELL. SO, OKAY. UM, THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. THANK YOU. YOU KEEP SAYING WE'RE BUYING THIS IN CASH. I DON'T SEE NINE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS LAYING AROUND, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING IT OUT OF ANOTHER FUND, BORROWING IT FROM ANOTHER FUND, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND TO CHRIS'S QUESTION, WHEN I THINK OF PAYING CASH FOR SOMETHING, I THINK OF PAYING CASH NINE AND A HALF MILLION. SO WE WON'T BE PAYING NINE AND A HALF MILLION IN ONE YEAR OR ONE TRANCHE. UH, PROBABLY NOT. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE AS THE, AS THAT, UM, PARKING GARAGE IS CONSTRUCTED, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AT 12 TO 18 MONTHS ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT GARAGE. YEAH. BUT IF, BUT IF, SORRY, BUT IF YOUR QUESTION IS ARE WE GONNA PAY IT OVER A COUPLE YEARS STRAIGHT FROM THIS FUND? WE DO HAVE, AND I THINK AS WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET, YOU CAN, WE DO HAVE A SIGNIF SIGNIFICANT FUND BALANCES IN THOSE FUNDS. SO IF YOUR QUESTION IS ARE WE JUST GOING TO, HEY SAY TAKE 9 MILLION OUTTA THIS FUND AND PAY FOR IT, THE ANSWER IS YES AND THEN PAY IT BACK. OKAY. YEAH. WE, WE HAVE THE NINE AND A HALF, WE HAVE THE NINE AND A HALF MILLION SOMEWHERE IN A FUND, RIGHT? THAT WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT COS OR YES. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THAT, DOES THAT KEEP ALL THE FUND BALANCES THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY TAKE IT FROM ABOVE THE THRESHOLDS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, STATED? UH, IT WILL. UM, AND REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A THRESHOLD, UH, IS THE GENERAL FUND. GENERAL FUND BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY OPERATING FUND. OKAY. UM, THOSE OTHER FUNDS ARE REALLY ONE TIME, UH, USE FUNDS. SO, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A FUND BALANCE THRESHOLD, BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FUND BALANCES IN THOSE, UH, COMBINED PAYBACK MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDES. BUT WHAT IS THE PAYBACK ON THAT, ON OUR LOAN TO OURSELVES? IS IT, IS IT IN ONE OF THOSE, UH, PREVIOUS SLIDES THAT SHOW, UH, SIX YEARS? I, I DON'T THINK THAT IS, THAT IS, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MODELED OUT. THAT IS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE MODELS, THAT'S WHAT THAT MODEL IS. OKAY. IT'LL BE THE SAME THING. YEAH. IT'S SAYING THE PAYBACK, THAT PARTICULAR PART OF IT. 'CAUSE I KNOW IT INCLUDES OTHER PARTS AS WELL. ANOTHER QUESTION THEN 12 HALF YEARS, THE ENTIRE BUSINESS WILL BE PAID OFF IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING. CAN I ASK A TUR QUESTION? OKAY. SO JUST CURIOUS, I ALREADY ASKED ABOUT THE CUTOUT THERE OF UH, WHAT THAT'S AM EMILY, UH, WHY DOESN'T IT, UH, YOU MIGHT WANNA ANSWER THAT QUESTION AS WELL, BUT WHY DOESN'T IT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH TO BELTLINE? SO AS CHAD MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, LIKE ARCHITECTURE TS DISTRICTS ARE ITERATIVE PROCESS. SO WE HAVE TO START A, A BOUNDARY SOMEWHERE. SO THE THOUGHT HERE IS, ONCE AGAIN, ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY INCREMENT THAT COMES INTO THE TS IS REVENUE THAT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. AND SO IT'S ABOUT STRIKING THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN THE AREAS THAT WE THINKT, UH, STANDS FOR TAX INCREMENT, REINVESTMENT ZONE. SO WE TRIED TO LOOK AT AREAS THAT WE THINK ARE PRIME FOR REINVESTMENT. UM, WE PLAN TO BRING BACK, IF YOU REMEMBER, GOSH, IT'S BEEN SO LONG, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME WE HAD THATT DISCUSSION, BUT WE PLAN TO COME BACK. WE KNOW WE GOT NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT PRESENT FOR THAT. WE'LL, WE'LL DO AN UPDATE HERE IN OCTOBER AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS MORE OF THIS. BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE DRAWN BOUNDARIES TO GET THE PROJECTIONS RIGHT. AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT STRATEGY. AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WHEN WE DREW THESE LINES, DART WAS NOT IN THE PICTURE. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF [03:25:01] INTERESTING 'CAUSE WE HAVE WEREN'T REALLY CONSIDERING SALES TAX, WE'RE ONLY CONSIDERING AD VALOREM. SO THAT COULD BE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL THOUGHT AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH, UH, REINVESTMENT WE COULD GET BACK FROM DART. SO THIS IS, UH, LINES THAT WE KIND OF DREW THAT SAID, HEY, WE THINK THESE ARE OPPORTUNITIES A TO GRAB INCREMENTS. SO WE KIND OF LOOKED AT SITES THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR ASSETS THAT WE'D LIKE TO REINVEST IN OR WE THINK ARE PRIME FOR REINVESTMENT. AND WE CAN, BEYOND THAT 12 AND A HALF YEARS, THIS IS A 30 YEAR PLAN. BEYOND THAT 12 AND A HALF YEARS, WE COULD LOOK AT OTHER ASSETS THAT WE MIGHT WANNA REINVEST IN, FOR INSTANCE, THE COLON AID OR MAYBE A RENAISSANCE HOTEL, HOTEL OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE WE GONNA HAVE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THAT TURS? 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND I DON'T WANNA KEEP EVERYONE HERE OCTOBER 15TH. ALRIGHT, SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR ISSUES ON FREE, LIKE THE BOUNDARIES SHOULD BE CHANGED, WE'RE GONNA GET THE CHANCE. YES. OKAY. SO IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT. WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE FISCAL IMPACT, WHICH IS REALLY OUR REVENUES. BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE CATALYST THAT WE HOPE TO SEE WITHIN THAT TURS, THAT'S THE ECONOMIC IMPACT. AND SO AT STABILIZATION, WE PROJECT ABOUT 300 MILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUE THAT WOULD GO BACK INTO, UH, INTO THE TOWN. UM, AND AT, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 1600 JOBS ADDED TO THE ECONOMY HERE. AND SO THAT'S REALLY AN INVESTMENT BACK INTO OUR PROPERTY OWNERS AND OUR BUSINESSES. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE DON'T CAPTURE IT IN THOSE OTHER REVENUES. BUT WHEN YOU SEE THIS ECONOMIC IMPACT, THAT'S WHEN YOU START TO SEE THE COMPOUNDING AND THE SPILLOVER EFFECTS THAT WE WILL SEE REVENUE, UH, INCREASE THERE AS WELL. HOW MUCH OF THAT GETS INTO THE GENERAL FUND? IS IT THE DIRECT, SO THIS IS PRIVATE SECTOR ECONOMIC OUTPUT. SO IT'S NOT AIL ALARM, IT'S NOT AIL ALARM. THIS IS ECONOMIC OUTPUT INTO, AND, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S TAXABLE, WHAT'S NOT TAXABLE. BUT THIS IS JUST WHAT WOULD GO BACK INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. AND IN OUR MODEL, THIS IS ISOLATED TO THE 7 5, 0 0 1, UH, AREA OR ZIP CODE. I'M SORRY. AND, AND AS A NOTE HERE, WHEN WE LOOK, UH, THIS WAS REALLY INTERESTING WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TOTAL, UH, REVENUE BASED ON THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER, YOU KNOW, THAT REPRESENTS A 2.7% INCREASE WITHIN THE TOWN, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD. SO IF YOU, YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, A NORMAL GDP IS 4% A YEAR, THAT'S ALMOST 3% ON TOP OF THAT OF A NORMAL 4% INCREASE. SO IT'S, UH, PRETTY EXCITING IN ANY OF YOUR NUMBERS. DO YOU HAVE MAYBE AN ASSUMPTION OF WHAT WILL MAKE ITS WAY BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND? WELL, WE HAVE THOSE DIRECT, WE COULD, WE COULD TAKE A STAB AT THE INDIRECT, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT 300 MILLION, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 50% OF THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS TAXABLE. BUT SO I THINK, I MEAN, AS WE HAVE THE TOURIST CONVERSATION, SOME OF THAT'S GONNA COME OUT BECAUSE PART OF THE TOURIST CONVERSATION WILL BE YEAH. OH, HOW MUCH, WHEN WE, FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS, DO WE WANNA DO 50% TO THE TS, 80% TO THE TURS, 20% TO THE GENERAL FUND? SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS THE SPLIT. AND SO FROM THE PROPERTY TAX SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT OVER 20 YEARS AS WE COME UP WITH THAT PLAN. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY COME UP WITH SALES TAX ESTIMATES TOO, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'LL BE DOING THAT FOR DART. SO WE CAN COME UP WITH THOSE ESTIMATES AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT. THE, THE, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS GROWTH OF THE BASE, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF INCLUDED IN THERE. SO THERE'S A HUNDRED, THIS IS OVER 30 YEARS, THAT'S 150. AND THEN NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, 144 MILLION ARE THOSE 2020, THOSE ARE IN 2025 NUMBERS OR 20 50 20 20 25 NUMBERS. OKAY. AND THEN JUST AS A CASE STUDY, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK, BUT YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABSTRACTLY AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOYOTA MUSIC FACTORY, SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS DELIVERED IN 2018, WE SAW, YOU KNOW, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AND THE MARRIOTT HOTEL IS, THIS EXISTING OLDER HOTEL DOES NOT INCLUDE THE TWO NEW HOTELS THEY BUILT THAT HOTEL IN, UH, INCREASED 100% ON THE TAX ROLLS JUST WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT CAME IN. AND THEN THERE WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT THAT INCREASED 50% IN VALUE. THE OFFICE AROUND THERE, A LITTLE BIT MORE MODEST AT 15%, BUT THAT'S PRETTY GOOD WHEN YOU CONSIDER A LOT OF THE OTHER OFFICE BUILDINGS OVER THERE ACTUALLY LOST VALUE. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, COMING IN RIGHT NEXT TO IT, YOU HAD TWO NEW, UH, REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS. YOU HAD CHRIS'S, UH, ACTUALLY THE CHRIS CHRISTUS HEALTH'S HEADQUARTERS AND THEN THE WELLS FARGO REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS. SO THAT IS, UH, SORT OF HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN WE [03:30:01] TALK ABOUT THOSE BIG ECONOMIC IMPACT NUMBERS, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN REAL LIFE. AND WE HOPE TO SEE I HIT THE LAND THERE. WHAT'S THAT? THEY HAD THE, THEY HAD THE LAND FOR THE NEW HEADQUARTERS. WELL, THERE, THERE IS, THERE'S SOME GREENFIELD OPPORTUNITIES WE, UH, THAT WE DO HAVE ALONG THE TOLLWAY. VAN TRUS HAS A OFFICE BUILDING THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET OFF THE GROUND FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. THAT'S A 320,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING. THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, GREENWAY HAS A SITE RIGHT THERE. UM, SO THERE IS SOME GREENFIELD OPPORTUNITIES, BUT I THINK THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY, THERE'S SOME OLDER OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT MAYBE AN OFFICE DEVELOPER WOULD CONSIDER PURCHASING AND, AND, AND WIPING THAT DOWN AND PUTTING IN A BRAND NEW OFFICE BUILDING THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA. , PLEASE, ONE MORE QUESTION, SINCE WE COVERED A BUNCH OF THE NUMBERS. I KNOW A LOT OF WHAT YOU DO IS PAYBACK PERIODS. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ROI, LIKE, BASED ON OUR INVESTMENT? WELL, WE DID A NET PRESENT VALUE. SO THE NET PRESENT VALUE, 30 YEARS OF 4% DISCOUNT RATE WOULD BE JUST OVER $30 MILLION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO TIMELINE. UM, SO THIS IS, UH, TRICKY. SO AS, AS I KIND OF MENTIONED, WHEN IT COMES TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE TOWN IS REALLY STEPPING INTO THE LEAD ROLE OF, UH, FINANCING AND PUTTING IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE'VE KIND OF BUILT IN THE AGREEMENT THAT AS, UH, A SITE IS READY FOR DEVELOPMENT WHERE THAT OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN PUT IN, UH, WE WILL WORK IN CONCERT WITH QIP THAT WILL SORT OF ACT AS OUR CONSULTANT AND, AND ROLLING OUT THAT PHASING. SO CLEARLY WE'D LIKE TO GET THE SITE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING ENTERTAINMENT READY TO GO FIRST, UH, FOLLOWED BY THE HANGAR, THEN THE OFFICE, AND THEN THE HOTEL LASTS. AND THEN ONCE THAT OFFSITE CONSTRUCTION IS READY, THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, THE WAY THAT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ROLLED HERE ABOUT 60 DAYS TO KIND OF GO VERTICAL ON THAT. UM, AND THEN WE GOTTA GO THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND WE GOTTA BUILD OUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT, WE'RE ESTIMATING, YOU KNOW, GOING VERTICAL IN, LET'S CALL IT MAY OF TWENTY, TWENTY SEVEN IS, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT UM, IN THESE AGREEMENTS YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME LEEWAY IN FOR DELAYS. AND SO KEYING IT OFF WHEN INFRASTRUCTURE IS READY AND COMPLETE WAS THE BEST WAY THAT WE SAW TO DO THAT. AND UH, AS A REMINDER, WE ARE KIND OF IN CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE SITE READY. SO TOMORROW, BECKY, I, WE COULD POTENTIALLY START, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? ABSOLUTE. ALRIGHT, EXCELLENT. OKAY, THAT GOES INTO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GO FASTER? I, I I THINK WE, WE CAN GO AS FAST AS WE CAN MOVE AS A TOWN. IS THAT BE CORRECT, BECKY? TO SAY YEAH, FASTER IS BETTER TO ANSWER THAT. WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IN CONJUNCTION WITH HEALTHY, WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IN CONJUNCTION WITH HELPING THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUDGETING, UH, PLANNING PROCESS IS FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN DO OUR ONSITE AT THE SAME TIME IF AND WHEN WE FIND, UH, THOSE USERS. SO WE GET PUSH AS QUICK AS WE CAN TO TRY TO EXPEDITE TIMEFRAME. IS IT DEPENDENT, IS IT DEPENDENT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON KNOWING WHAT HOTEL IS COMING IN AND KNOWING THE EXACT FOOTPRINTS OF ALL OF THIS? OR C IS DO WE, CAN WE DO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND HAVE YOU BUILD TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN GENERALLY, UM, WITH WHAT WE HAVE OUTLINED, WE CAN BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WITHOUT KNOWING THE EXACT OPERATOR BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A CERTAIN TARGET, CERTAIN SIZE, LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A 300 ROOM HOTEL. RIGHT? OKAY. SAME WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING AND WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED WITH, UH, WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. I THINK YOU CAN, CAN YOU GIMME A DEFINITION OF OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE? I HEAR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT IS OFFSITE? SO OFFSITE IS EVERYTHING LITERALLY THAT LEADS UP TO THE SITE. SO YOUR STORM SEWER, YOUR SANITARY, THOSE THINGS. AND ONCE YOU GET ONTO THE SITE, TAKING IT FROM WHAT'S IN THE STREET TO WHERE IT'LL PLUG INTO THE BUILDING. SO ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR OFFSITE AND YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING IT TO THE BUILDING? YES. OKAY. SO OFFSITE IS US THAT I'M, OKAY. DID I ANSWER THAT RIGHT? ? I'M SORRY. I WAS TRYING NOT TO HAVE TO SAY I'M GOOD AT GENERALIZING. ONE CLARIFICATION IS THE ACTUAL LAND THAT IS NORTH OF, UH, THE DART, UM, RAIL LINE. WE DO OWN THAT LAND. SO THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE ON THAT LAND WILL BE OFFSITE BECAUSE IT'S NOT RUNNING IN A ROADWAY OR A RA RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT WILL BE TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER [03:35:01] IT'S IN A RIGHT OF WAY, LIKE A ROAD OR AN EASEMENT. WHAT WILL TRULY BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE CONSTRUCTING IS THE CONNECTION POINT TO GET FROM WHEREVER OUR PIPE IS, ROAD IS, ET CETERA, TO SERVICE THEIR BUILDING. DOES THAT HELP CLARIFY? HE ASKED A QUESTION. OH, WHY AM I LOOKING AT YOU? I'M SORRY. I'M TIRED. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 5 45. HE'S PRETTIER THAN I AM. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. OFFSITE IS OURS AND THEY BUILT TO THAT THEN TO CONNECT WITH IT. THAT'S CORRECT. BASICALLY MY APOLOGIES FOR LOOKING AT THE WRONG PERSON. YOU'RE GOOD. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THAT ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. WAYNE, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE GROUND LEASE. SO, UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARCELS, RIGHT? WILL THE GROUND LEASE FOR THE HOTEL BE SIGNED WITH THE HOTEL OPERATOR AND RETAIL WITH QIP? HOW IS THAT GONNA WORK? SO THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN IN THIS AGREEMENT IS WE'RE SIGNING THE GROUND LEASE WITH QIP. OKAY. AND WE DO HAVE LANGUAGE IN THE AGREEMENT THAT KIND OF STATES THAT AS WE MOVE TOWARDS NEGOTIATING THAT THERE COULD BE FURTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD BREAK UP THE PARCEL AND DISPERSE THAT, THAT GROUND LEASE. SO WE STILL NEED TO IRON OUT THE DETAILS OF EXACTLY HOW THAT 500,000 IS GOING TO BE, UM, ALLOCATED ACROSS, UH, THAT DIRT. UM, BUT THAT 500,000 REALLY IS A CARRYOVER AND WAS VERY KIND OF IMPORTANT IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS THAT THAT WAS THE AMOUNT WE WERE GETTING IN THE PRIOR MOU AND WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT. WE WOULD GET NO LESS THAN THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOSING THAT MULTI-FAMILY TOWER, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, UH, WOULD IN THE MARKET CAN COMMAND A MUCH HIGHER, YOU KNOW, GROUND RENT. WE'RE, WE'RE STILL MAINTAINING THAT AMOUNT IN THIS AGREEMENT, SO WE WOULD'VE ONE ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GROUND LEASE, CORRECT. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN WILL THE COUNCIL GET A LOOK AT THAT GROUND LEASE BEFORE IT GETS PUT IN PLACE? ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S IN, UH, I GUESS IT'S NOT IN HERE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT AT, UH, LATE JANUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY. UH, THAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR ALL OF THOSE DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY BRING MOST OF THOSE TO YOU ALL AT ONCE, BUT, UH, THOSE GROUND LEASES ARE PROBABLY THE MOST, UH, SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT AGREEMENTS THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK FOR YOUR REVIEW. I AGREE. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF TO FOLLOW ON ON THAT PLEASE. THE GROUND LEASE AND THE LAND UNDER THE OFFICE BUILDING. I, I'VE READ THE DOCUMENTS AND IT, IT, IT REFERS TO IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS UNDER THE OFFICE. IT SAYS IN ONE PLACE THAT WE'RE DONATING AND IN ANOTHER PLACE WE'RE SELLING. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? SO IT IS GONNA BE CONVEYED, I'M NOT CERTAIN WHERE STATES THAT WE'RE SELLING, I MEAN, THE WORD SELLING IS IN HERE TO THE DEVELOP. OH, WELL THERE'S A PURCHASE OR IS ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE PURCHASE? WELL, WE DO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A P UH, PURCHASE AND SELLING AGREEMENT. THAT'S, THAT'S A TITLE OF THAT AGREEMENT, BUT IT ULTIMATELY WILL BE CONVEYED AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEGOTIATE THE DETAILS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THAT TRANSFER HAPPENS, ONCE THEY GET THE FINANCING, ONCE ONCE DESIGN AND ALL THAT'S DONE. SO WE'LL NEGOTIATE AT LEAST MY NEXT QUESTION. YEAH. WHEN DO WE GIVE THEM THAT LAND THEN? UH, PROBABLY LIKE THE DAY BEFORE THEY GO VERTICAL. OKAY. SO IF WE DO THAT, AND FOR SOME REASON THIS PROJECT DOES NOT GO FORWARD, WE'VE JU WE'RE JUST OUTLAND. WELL, NO, THAT AGREEMENT'S GONNA HAVE A CLAWBACK FOR US AND THEY'RE, WE'LL HAVE A CLAWBACK ON THAT. YEP. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THE TOWN GIVING THAT LAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GROUND LEASE? WHY, WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE A BETTER BENEFIT TO THE TOWN TO GROUND LEASE EVERYTHING? SO, I MEAN, THERE COULD BE BENEFIT TO US DOING THAT, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S A VERY TOUGH OFFICE MARKET AND TO GET OFFICE DEVELOPED, UH, WE, WE NEED EXIT OPPORTUNITIES. UM, AND SO THE BENEFIT TO THE TOWN IS THAT WE GET A BRAND NEW MASS TIMBER OFFICE. WELL, THEY'RE GETTING THE, THEY'RE GETTING THE LAND EITHER WAY, WHETHER, I MEAN, CHAD, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE I WOULD THE MARKET DIFFERENCES? I WOULD IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE RENT BACK, BUT YEAH, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THE BUILDING IS DONE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO SOLVE TO THE YIELD WE NEED TO SOLVE TO, IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL LAND COSTS, LIKE WITHOUT THE CITY INCENTIVES. WE RAN IT BOTH WAYS BECAUSE WE, SO WE TARGET A YIELD OR WE THINK WE CAN GET A RENT AND NO WHERE THOSE YIELDS ARE TODAY. UM, THERE, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE AT ALL. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT E EVEN IF WE DIDN'T COLLECT ANY GROUND LEASE FROM YOU, BUT WE RETAINED OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T RE GET THE, THE 500,000, [03:40:01] MINIMUM 500,000 THAT WE'RE GETTING ON THE REST OF IT. I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS TO MONETIZE THE ASSET TO REFINANCE IT. ONE DAY THERE'S A VALUATION AND IF THERE'S, IF IT DOESN'T COME WITH THE LAND AND ALL THE, THE COMPLICATIONS COME WITH IT, SIMILAR TO HOW A GROUND LEASE DEVALUES A BUILDING, WHICH WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR ALL THAT. SO IT WORKS, BUT, UM, I MEAN, MARGINS ARE TIGHT AS THEY ARE. UM, I GET IT. WE'RE OPTIMISTIC, ESPECIALLY IN THE MIDST OF EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT A LAYUP STILL. WHAT, WHAT IS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? OH GOSH. LIKE THE BUILDING? WELL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE NEED TO REDEVELOP THAT LAND AGAIN, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE REDEVELOPED AT SOME POINT. I WOULD SAY AT LEAST 50 YEARS, MAYBE MORE. UM, AT LEAST FOR LIKE THE OFFICE BUILDING, LIKE THE HOTEL, THE SIGNIFICANT GROUND UP. OKAY. ONCE AND, AND THE ENTERTAINMENT SPACE WOULD BE THE EASY PART TO REDEVELOP, CORRECT? YES, SIR. I MEAN, THOSE ARE BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE SCRAPED FAIRLY EASILY 25, 30 YEARS FROM NOW. THAT'S, THAT'S SIR AND THAT WAS PART OF THE THOUGHT WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET, THAT AT SOME POINT THAT ALONG WITH THE PHASE TWO LAND, BUT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PARKING NEXT TO IT, LIKE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TOWN, UM, WANTING TO DO WHATEVER OR SOMETHING THERE. OKAY. UM, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. UH, CAN WE GO TO SLIDE TWO, JUST THE AERIAL VIEW? DO YOU WANT WAYNE OR ME AT THE MIC? WELL, EITHER, EITHER ONE. I, I WILL START WITH THIS. UM, CHAD, I'M A HUGE FAN OF, OF YOU. THANK YOU. YOU, I'M SOLD, UH, OF YOUR, OF YOUR COMPANY AND OF YOUR WORK, SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO I'M, I'M SOLD. UM, I'M, I WAS ALSO SOLD ON THE OFFICE BEING JUST SOUTH ADDISON CIRCLE PARK. UM, I LOVE ALL THIS STUFF. I WOULD LOVE IT MORE IF WE KNEW FOR SURE THAT WE WERE GONNA GET A CONVENTION CENTER, CONVENTION CENTER FACILITY, IF YOU WILL. WE WOULD TOO, BY THE WAY. YEAH. SO CAN WE, CAN WE JUST ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF BREAKDOWN ON, ON, UH, LEGISLATION WHERE ADDISON DOESN'T QUALIFY AS A MUNICIPALITY, UM, FOR QUALIFIED HOTEL PROJECT SALES AND TAX REBATES. AND WE'VE GOT, WE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS. OKAY, SO, SO APPARENTLY WE, WE MISSED GETTING APPROVAL TO FOR, FOR THIS LAST LEGISLATURE, BUT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR TWO YEARS FROM NOW. CAN WE JUST, CAN YOU I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SAY WE MISSED IT. I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY THE ENTIRE STATE MISSED IT. WE WERE PART, WE WE WERE VERY ACTIVE IN THE LEGISLATURE, RIGHT. AND WE WERE PART OF A BILL THAT WOULD'VE DONE IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE. YEAH. THERE WERE POWERS BEYOND OUR CONTROL THAT POLITICS GOT INVOLVED THAT DID NOT GO FORWARD. SO WE'VE ALREADY TALKED, WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THIS TO OUR LEGISLATURES DOWN THERE FOR THE NEXT SESSION, FOR US TO BE A PART OF THAT WE FEEL GOOD THAT WE HAVE A VERY STRONG CHANCE OF GETTING THAT IN THE NEXT SESSION. WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT THIS PLAN IS THAT IT GETS US TO SET UP AND WE CAN, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED SO THAT WE CAN JUST PUT THE CONFERENCE CENTER ON TOP OF IT. SO I GUESS TO SPECIFICALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAD, WE WERE AT THE FINISH LINE IN THIS PAST SESSION, DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT GOING FOR IT IN TWO YEARS. AND SO YEAH, I I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT. THAT'S OKAY. BUT WE, WE, WE HAD LEGISLATION, UH, AT THE STATE AND THE HOUSE SIDE MM-HMM . YEAH. SO WE WERE THERE, BUT DO WE KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY HIGH LEVEL ANSWER WHY THAT, WHY THAT DIDN'T, MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN APPROVED? I KNOW YOU GOT A LOT OF PARTS. SO THEY, UM, THEY TOOK ALL THE, LIKE THEY TYPICALLY DO, AND WAYNE CERTAINLY CAN JUMP IN, BUT THEY TOOK A LOT OF THE CITIES THAT, WHICH THIS HAPPENS ALMOST EVERY SESSION, ALL THE CITIES THAT ARE GOING FORWARD WITH THE QUALIFIED HOTEL PROJECTS AND PUT 'EM ALL TOGETHER IN ONE BILL TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM. THE LEGISLATURES, UM, CERTAIN OF THEM HAD ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE BIGGER CITIES. I BELIEVE FORT WORTH WAS ONE, NOTABLE ONE. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WERE DOING, HAVING MULTIPLE PROJECTS AND NUMBER OF THINGS THAT UPSET SOME OF THE, UM, UM, FOLKS IN THE HOUSE IN THE SENATE AND AT THE LAST SECOND THEY KILLED THE BILL. AND SO THAT'S A, IT'S A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF IT, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE REALITY WHAT HAPPENED. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND SO THIS IS, I GUESS THIS IS FOR CHAD. UM, SO WHEN YOU INITIALLY CAME, CAME FORWARD, YOU, YOU HAD THE OFFICE WHERE THE HOTEL IS NOW, AND WE WERE, WE WERE, UH, BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE, UM, BUILD AND, AND, AND, AND LET YOU, UM, HAVE THE PARKING FOR FREE. AND, BUT, BUT WE NEEDED TO, FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO SWITCH THE HOTEL AND THE, AND THE OFFICE, UM, BECAUSE OF MAYBE SOME POSSIBLE ADDISON CIRCLE BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND CAN WE TALK YEAH, I CAN CLARIFY A LITTLE [03:45:01] OF THAT HISTORY BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S REAL CLOUDY TO ME. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WHEN WE CAME INTO THE PROJECT, THE PRIOR OFFICE DEVELOPER HAD STEPPED OUT. THEY HAD NEGOTIATED AN INCENTIVE FOR A MASTER LEASE, UM, WHICH WE DIDN'T FIND VERY VALUABLE. UM, PEOPLE, UH, LENDERS EQUITY PARTNERS WON'T GIVE A LOT OF CREDIT FOR A TOWN MASTER LEASING. THEY WANNA SEE A TENANT, A LONG TERM TENANT. SO WE ASKED IF WE COULD USE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY INSTEAD OF HAVING A MASTER LEASE IN A BUILDING, WE'D BUILD THAT, WE COULD APPLY IT TO THE GARAGE. SO WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY GET THE GARAGE FOR FREE, IT SOLVED ENOUGH FOR THE PARKING. BUT IF WE RAN OVER THAT ON OUR GARAGE BUDGET, THAT WAS ON US, THE DEVELOPER. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE FELT THAT WAS A WISER USE OF THOSE DOLLARS. WE ALSO DIDN'T SELECT THAT SITE ORIGINALLY FOR THE OFFICE. THAT'S WHERE THE OFFICE WAS BEFORE, OBVIOUSLY UNDER THE OLD REGIME, THE OLD PLAN. SO WE DID, UH, WE MOVED THAT OFFICE AROUND AND REDEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, RECONFIGURED THAT SPECIFIC SIDE OF THE OFFICE. UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT STARTED THERE. WHAT THAT LEFT AS THESE, AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THE REST OF THIS CANVAS WAS THE LOGICAL PLACE FOR THE HOTEL WOULD BE THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE OFFICE ON THE, UH, THE SPECTRUM QUORUM ARAPAHO SITE. AND SO WE KIND OF NATURALLY FELL INTO THAT WITH THE PIECES WE HAD ONCE WE STEPPED BACK AND LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY SWITCHING 'EM TO WHEN, YOU KNOW, AND SOCIALIZING WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM, THE USERS WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, THE CONSULTANTS, ET CETERA, FOUND THAT IT WORKS BETTER. AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, THE OTHER THOUGHT THAT WE HAD THERE WHEN WE WERE SOCIALIZING THAT WAS GUITAR PICK THAT NEEDED TO BE A CAST IN PLACE, WHAT THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS COST SAVINGS? YEAH. WHAT WE'VE ESSENTIALLY DONE, UM, WHEN WE REALIZED THE LEGISLATION THAT IS GONNA MAKE THE CONVENTION CENTER MORE CHALLENGING, THAT WE COULDN'T COUNT ON IT, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, WE OFFERED, LOOK, LET'S JUST PULL IT OUT, LET'S SOLVE TO THIS PROJECT. WITHOUT IT, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY 100% PURSUE IT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T CONTINGENT UPON LEGISLATION THAT FEELS LIKE IS A COMPLETE UPHILL BATTLE TODAY. UM, SO WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE THEN HOTEL PARKING. WE TOOK THAT NUMBER, WE HAD A COST TESTAMENT FOR THAT, AND WE'RE USING THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS FOR THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF PUBLIC SPOTS, UM, FOR THE PARKING INCENTIVES OR THE PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THE TOWN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, IT DOES, BUT I, I GUESS MY BRAIN IS THINKING THE OPPOSITE. SO WHEN THE CONVENTION CENTER ISSUE BECAME AT RISK, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD MOVE THAT TO THE MORE PREMIUM SPOT, UM, RIGHT BY THE TOD AND BY THE PARK AND AIRPORT. WELL, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD GO. SO IT WOULD GO ON TOP OF THE GARAGE NEXT TO THE HOTEL. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I'M SAYING WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT BECAME AT RISK, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD MOVE IT TO THE MORE PREMIUM SPOT, BUT, UM, OKAY. SO THE CONVENTION HAS TO BE NEXT TO THE HOTEL. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND WITHOUT, I MEAN WITHOUT A DOUBT. SORRY. SO THAT WASN'T WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING WAS WHEN WE WERE LAYING OUT THE SITES, WHEN WE WERE DECIDING TO PUT THE HOTEL OVER HERE, THERE WAS INITIALLY SOME COST SAVINGS WHEN WE WERE, I MEAN, IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, THIS HAS TO BE CA THIS HAD TO BE CAST IN PLACE THAT HAD, THAT COULD BE, UH, PRECAST. AND SO THE CONVENTION CENTER IF TO PUT A CONVENTION CENTER ON TOP OF THAT NEEDED TO BE CAST IN PLACE. SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE INITIAL REASONS WHY WE CHOSE THAT. BUT I THINK WHAT CHAD IS SAYING IS THAT TALKING WITH THE HOTEL OPERATORS, THE HOTEL OPERATORS PREFERRED THIS SIDE HERE. AND THEN THE, UH, OFFICE BROKERS PREFERRED THIS SIDE OVER HERE. THE TOLLWAY IS HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR CURRENT OFFICE MARKET IS. THE OFFICE FOLKS LIKE TO BE ALONG THE TOLLWAY. CBRE FOLKS MUCH PREFERRED THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ACCESS, GETTING BACK OVER TO THAT SITE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS ALWAYS SOME QUESTIONS. WE, WE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN IT BECAUSE IT IS A GREAT SITE INTO THE PARK, BUT LOOKING AT WHAT THE HOTEL OPERATORS PREFERRING THAT OPTION AND THE OFFICE BROKERS PREFERRING THIS OPTION, I THINK IT JUST MADE SENSE IN THE MARKET TO DO THAT. AND, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'VE ALREADY ASKED, BUT IT JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ADDISON CIRCLE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND HOW THAT CAME INTO PLAY. UH, IT'S, YEAH. SO I THINK THAT SOMETIME IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, THIS IS, UH, THE ADDISON. WHAT'S THAT? IT WAS 1980, UH, ADDISON QUORUM NORTH. UM, AND SO YOU'VE GOT ESSENTIALLY WHAT RUNS FROM THE DART LINE DOWN TO, UM, NOT WELL, YEAH, IT DOES GO DOWN TO BELL LINE 'CAUSE IT ENCOMPASSES SPECTRUM CENTER. IT KIND OF GOES DOWN THERE. SO WHEN WE DO THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR CALLED CCC, UH, CCRS AND REALLY TO KIND OF, TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND SO AT THAT TIME, UH, THEY KIND OF BROKE THAT OUT. AND IT HAD THE PART WHERE THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL AND THE MARRIOTT, UM, [03:50:01] COURTYARD, I THINK IT'S THE COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT THAT WAS SORT OF SELECTED AS A HOTEL DISTRICT. AND THEN THOSE OTHER AREAS ARE DESIGNATED FOR OFFICE WHERE THE CURRENT OFFICE SITS NOW. OKAY. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF THIS ADDISON BUSINESS CIRCLE DISTRICT THAT WE COULD NOT HAVE THE HOTEL WHERE, WHERE, UH, WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED? MARLON, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA END UP THERE ANYWAY. THIS IS THE, THE PLAN. TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY TODAY, YOU WOULD NEED SIGN OFF FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE OWNERS IN THAT DISTRICT TO PUT A HOTEL THERE WHERE YOU DON'T FOR OFFICE. OKAY. SO DO WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD GET THAT? PROBABLY IT MIGHT BE AN UPHILL BATTLE WITH SOME, BUT KIND OF TALLYING THE VOTES MORE IMPORTANTLY AS JUST LOOKING AT THAT AND THINKING, WELL, WHAT IF WE COULDN'T GET THAT DONE? WE TRIED FLIPPING THE TWO AND THAT'S WHERE IT BECAME VERY OBVIOUS TO US THAT THIS IS THE BETTER OPTION ANYWAY. OKAY. AND WOULD WE GET A VOTE IN THAT SCENARIO? A VOTE? WHAT? WELL, THERE'S 10. YES. YEAH. UM, OKAY. I, YEAH, I JUST, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IN YOUR PRESENTATION TO US PREVIOUSLY, YOU, YOU SOUNDED LIKE YOU FLIPPED, FLIPPED THE HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER AND THE, AND THE OFFICE BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE CONFLICTS. SORRY, NOT GETTING THE VOTE FOR THE ADDISON. THAT'S WHAT LED US DOWN TO REALLY EXPLORE THAT. OKAY. UM, FEASIBILITY. OKAY. AND THEN AGAIN, WELL, I'M JUST, I'M JUST OUR ITERATIVE PROCESS. I'M JUST ONE OF NO, THAT'S GOOD QUESTION. BUT, BUT I, I PREFER IT'S A BIG FLIP. YEAH, BUT IT'S A BIG FLIP I LIKE THAN GOOD FOR US. YEAH. I PREFERABLY PREFER THE OFFICE IN THE MORE, IN THE MORE PREMIUM PREMIUM SPOT. THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM IN OFFICE. NO, LOOK, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THIS. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A SAYING. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. IT MATTERS WHAT THE BROKERS THINK. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE VERY EASY LINE OF SIGHT TO AN OFFICE BUILDING AND AN EASY DRIVE, ANY DEAL YOU'RE COMPETING AGAINST WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO TARGET A NEW TENANT, YOU DON'T WANNA GIVE NEGATIVE, LIKE, NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR THE, YOUR COMPETITION TO GET TO THAT OFFICE BUILDING. YOU HAVE TO GO UP AROUND THE, UM, THE CIRCLE AND COME BACK DOWN, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL. OR YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND ADDISON AND COME BACK. YOU'RE ALSO RIGHT UNDER THE AIRPORT WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE ARE THERE DURING THE DAY AT NIGHT. THOSE, THOSE, UH, FLIGHTS WILL QUIET DOWN MORE OVER THE HOTEL. AND AGAIN, THE HOTEL RIGHT OFF THE DART. SO IF SOMEONE WAS COMING INTO THE HOTEL FROM THE AIRPORT, LET'S SAY WHERE THE DART RUNS DIRECTLY, THEY'RE GONNA BE RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY WANT A WHEEL OVER HERE MAYBE. BUT EVERYTHING JUST SORT OF MADE MORE SENSE, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FOOTPRINTS BEING SO SIMILAR. OKAY. I LIKE IT A LOT MORE IN THIS CONFIGURATION. A WHOLE LOT MORE. I THINK IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE. OKAY. CAN WE, UH, MOVE TOWARDS A MOTION? POSSIBLY? SO WHAT'S THE STATUS OF, UH, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS? SO THEY'RE STILL IN PLACE. UH, WE HAVE OUR TITLE, UH, COMPANY HAS AGREED TO INSURE US AGAINST ANY LOSS FROM A LAWSUIT TRYING TO CHALLENGE, UH, THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE BASED ON THE DEFINITION OF THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THE PUBLIC USE. ARE WE MOVING FORWARD WITH TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT? UH, PERMANENTLY? WE'VE OFFERED. WE'RE MOVING, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH A PLAN THAT COMPLIES WITH THE PLAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I WOULD LOVE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOTION TO APPROVE. WHICH ONE IS THIS? [d. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving a Master Development Agreement between the Town of Addison and Quadrant Enterprises, LLC (d/b/a QIP) for the Addison Circle transit-oriented development project, and authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement.] SIX. SIX D. SIX D. I WILL SECOND. EXCITED TO DO SO. THANK YOU DARREN. AND A SECOND FROM CHRIS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO CHAD, YOUR INTEREST IN ADDISON, YOUR PATIENCE WITH US. I'M, I'M REAL EXCITED. I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT PROJECT. WE ARE TOO. WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COOPERATION AND HELP. THANK YOU, CHAD. THANK YOU, WAYNE. ANY OTHERS? ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY AYE. ALRIGHT. ITEM SIX D IS APPROVED. WE'VE GIVEN A LATE HOUR. UH, WE WILL POSTPONE ITEM SIX E AND SIX F TO OUR LIKELY OUR NEXT MEETING. AND THEN OUR [7. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.] FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE ITEM SEVEN, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST TIME FOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, UH, GIVE ANY EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS OR CONDOLENCE, ET CETERA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE? UH, TWO THINGS, MAYOR. UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK AND, AND ESPECIALLY THE FLEXIBILITY. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL WERE THROWING A COUPLE CURVE BALLS AND, AND YOU CAME BACK VERY QUICKLY WITH VARIOUS MEETINGS AND GAVE US OPTIONS AND, AND THAT REALLY HELPED US. UM, AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA, UH, NOTE IS ON THE WAY OVER HERE, UM, CAUGHT A LITTLE BIT OF TRAFFIC ON QUORUM. I TOOK THE BACK ROADS AND IT'S JUST NICE TO SEE THE, UH, [03:55:01] WHAT I THINK IS MORE BACK TO OFFICE. AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT MORE MOMENTUM, UH, IN THAT REGARD. AND, UM, SO I'M A FAN OF THE TRAFFIC. IF, IF IT'S GONNA BRING EVERYBODY BACK TO WORK. THANK YOU, MARLEY. ANY OTHERS? ONE MORE IF YOU DON'T MIND. PLEASE. YOU READY? HEY, UH, CONDOLENCE, IF WE CAN, UM, THIS, THE END OF THIS WEEK MARKS A VERY SAD DAY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IT IT, IT MARKS THE FOUR YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF HOWARD'S WIFE PASSING. MM-HMM . AND I'D LIKE TO SAY WHAT A WONDERFUL WOMAN SHE WAS AND MY, MY CONDOLENCES TO YOU ON THAT AND KNOW WE'RE ALL WITH YOU. THANK YOU, RANDY. THANK YOU. WELL, I WOULD, UH, JUST ONE FINAL THOUGHT. I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, THANK THE, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF FOR THAT GREAT ANNUAL EVENT WE DID ON SATURDAY MORNING. DOGGY SPLASH DAY. I KNOW, UM, MY, UH, COCO'S STILL A LITTLE BIT RECOVERING FROM HER, UH, TIRED HANGOVER ON THAT, BUT SUCH A FUN TIME. THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT. IT'S, IT'S SO MUCH FUN. AND, UH, ONE, ONE MORE GREAT REASON TO LIVE IN ADDISON. SO WITH THAT, IT IS, UH, 10 34. WE'RE ADUR FOR TONIGHT. THANKS EVERYBODY. STILL TONIGHT. NIGHT EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.