* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Call Meeting to Order] [00:00:02] I CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TODAY, TUESDAY, AUGUST 19TH, 2025, AS WE DO WITH ALL MEETINGS. UM, OH, I FIRST NEED TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM. THERE IS SEVEN OF US PRESENT, SO WE'RE GOOD THERE. AND AS WE DO WITH ALL, LET'S START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. NEXT THING ON HERE IS OUR, IS OUR PURPOSE STATEMENT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SERVES AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO THE TOWN EVALUATING, PLANNING, ZONING, AND SUBDIVISION PROPOSALS, AND PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS OF LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT POLICY. THE COMMISSION'S PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO ENSURE RESPONSIBLE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT BY ADHERING TO THE ESTABLISHMENT ESTABLISHED PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND OVERSEEING THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. THESE EFFORTS ARE INTENDED TO UPHOLD THE SAFETY, WELFARE AND OVERALL WELLBEING OF OUR RESIDENTS AND THE WORKFORCE AND VISITORS. LESLIE, REAL QUICK, ONE THING. HEY, YOU GUYS, LAST WEEK WHEN I WAS WATCHING CITY COUNCIL, IF YOUR MIC ISN'T LIKE HERE, YOU COULD NOT HEAR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ONLINE, SO PLEASE PAY SUPER CLOSE ATTENTION TO TALKING VERY CLOSE TO THE MIC TONIGHT. THANK YOU, UH, LESLIE, I'LL TURN IT OVER [ Consent Agenda: All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] TO YOU. OH, YEAH. UM, WE ARE READY FOR, EXCUSE ME, LESLIE AND I, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UH, WE'RE READY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S TWO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING. UM, IT IS, UH, CONSIDER ACTION ON THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 15TH, 2025 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. AND THE SECOND ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS CONSIDER ACTION ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR AN AIRPORT HANGAR WITH OFFICE, UH, ON 1.57 ACRES LOCATED AT 1 5 5 0 0 WRIGHT BROTHERS DRIVE, UH, CASE NUMBER A ZR 2025 DASH 0 0 6 1 ROSSA HANGER. UM, AND BOTH OF THOSE, UM, IF THE COMMISSION WISHES CAN BE CONSIDERED WITHIN ONE ACTION, ONE MOTION, EXCUSE ME, ANY COMMENTS OR REGARDING THIS? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE AND TWO OF OUR CONSENT AGENDA? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HAVING SEEN THE CONSENT AGENDAS APPROVED, UH, AND ONE THING'S FOR THE AUDIENCE I FORGOT TO MENTION WAS THERE WILL BE A POINT IN TIME WHERE, UH, THIS IS OPENED UP TO PUBLIC SPEAKING AT THAT TIME, COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. OH, IF YOU DO WANNA SPEAK, HELP COREY OUT BY GIVING, FILLING OUT A SPEAKER CARD CURRENTLY. UM, AND YOUR LITTLE TIMER CLOCK IS OVER THERE WHEN IT BECOMES THAT TIME. SO, UH, LESLIE, UM, [3. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to rezone a 4.7± acre property generally located north and east of Landmark Boulevard, boarding the Addison town boundary on the west and the Dallas North Tollway to the east, addressed as 14651 Dallas Parkway, from Planned Development (PD) to a new Planned Development (PD) district to allow for a development comprised of 400 multifamily dwelling units and associated private open space and common areas, through the approval of development plans and standards. Case 1925-Z/The Princeton. ] TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. UH, LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UM, ITEM THREE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UM, TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE A 4.7 ACRE PROPERTY, GENERALLY, LO GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTH AND EAST OF LANDMARK BOULEVARD, BORDERING THE TOWN OF ADDIS AND BOUNDARY, UH, ON THE WEST AND THE DALLAS NORTH TOY TO THE EAST, ADDRESSED AS 14 6 5 1 DALLAS PARKWAY. FROM EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 400 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND ASSOCIATED PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND COMMON AREAS THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND STANDARDS. UH, THE CASE NUMBER IS 1925 DASH Z, UH, THE PRINCETON. AND SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 4.7 ACRES. UM, IT IS LOCATED, UH, ON EXISTING SITE WITH AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 375,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, TODAY, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR A PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THE, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TONIGHT IS, UH, CONSIDERING, UM, APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST. SO I JUST WANNA TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE CASE HISTORY 'CAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE. UM, SO THE APPLICANT, UM, SUBMITTED THEIR FIRST, UM, OR THE REQUEST FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION IN OCTOBER OF 2024. UM, IT HAD BEEN IN A STAFF REVIEW PROCESS FOR MANY MONTHS, AND IT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THE, UH, JUNE, 2025 MEETING. UM, AT THAT MEETING, PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THEY HAD ASKED THAT THE COMMISSION POSTPONE THE CONSIDERATION OF, OF THIS REQUEST TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, TO THE AUGUST MEETING, UM, WHILE THEY WAITED FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE OTHER PORTION OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WHICH IS WITHIN THE CITY OF FARMER'S BRANCH. UH, BEFORE THAT, WHILE THAT WAS BEING [00:05:01] CONSIDERED, UM, THAT PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY OF FARMER'S BRANCH AT THE, THEIR AUGUST 5TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND THAT INCLUDED 135 MULTIFAMILY UNITS ABOVE THE EXISTING GARAGE, WHICH WE WILL, UM, TAKE A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE IN IN A MOMENT, UH, WHICH IS WHY IS NOW BACK BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, NOW FROM THE JUNE MEETING. UM, I WANT TO NOTE, AND WE WILL FOLLOW THIS LATER, THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOWING THE PUB, THE PUBLISHING OF THE NOTICE, AS WELL AS PUBLISHING OF THE MEETING PACKET, UH, WHICH OCCURRED ON FRIDAY, UM, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A REQUEST TO POSTPONE THIS REQUEST INDEFINITELY. UM, HOWEVER, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WAS ALREADY NOTICED, AS I MENTIONED AND PUBLISHED, SO THEREFORE, STAFF IS GOING TO PROCEED, UH, AS IT WAS PUBLISHED TO THE PUBLIC. AND, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CAN TAKE ACTION AS THEY SO CHOOSE. UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS SITE HAS AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING, THE PRINCETON, UM, IT WAS BUILT IN, OR EXCUSE ME, IT WAS REZONED TO THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN 1979. UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, UM, AND IT HAS BEEN AN OFFICE SINCE THEN. UH, VARIOUS TENANTS AND SO FORTH. UM, THERE WAS A, UH, MOST RECENTLY A REMODEL IN 2018, HOWEVER, IT'S EXPERIENCED A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE SINCE THE COVID PANDEMIC. UM, JUST REALLY NEVER RECOVERED FROM THAT, UM, SINCE THAT POINT. UH, THE REQUEST IT, SORRY, IT DID FACE, UH, FORECLOSURE. THE APPLICANT DID PURCHASE THE PART, THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHAT LED THEM TO BE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING WITH THE REZONING REQUEST. SO I TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS VERY UNIQUE AS, UH, A PORTION OF IT IS LOCATED, UH, WITHIN FARMER'S BRANCH, OR SAY A PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN FARMER'S BRANCH. UM, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING SHOWN IN BLUE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS WITHIN THE TOWN OF ADDISON. UH, THE, UM, PORTION ON THE LEFT SHOWN IN GREEN IS WITHIN THE CITY OF FARMER'S BRANCH. THE TOWN LIMIT LINE IS DEPICTED BY THE RED DASH LINE IN THE CENTER. UM, SO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE TODAY IS THE EXISTING PRINCETON OFFICE BUILDING IS LOCATED WITHIN ADDISON, AND THERE IS AN EXISTING FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE THAT SERVES THAT OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED WITHIN FARMER'S BRANCH. THERE IS A, UM, RESTRICTION REGARDING THE PARKING, AS THAT PARKING GARAGE CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING. WITH THIS PROPOSAL. IT DOES INCLUDE KEEPING THE EXISTING FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE. UM, THE FARMER'S BRANCH SIDE SPECIFICALLY WOULD INCLUDE THREE ADDITIONAL STORIES ON TOP OF THAT PARKING GARAGE, INCLUDING 135 UNITS, WHICH I MENTIONED WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY FARMER'S BRANCH ON THE ADDISON PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING AND RECONSTRUCTING A 400 UNIT MULTIFAMILY BUILDING WITH LEASING AND AMENITY SPACE, UM, FOCUSED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UH, ULTIMATELY ACCESSED FROM THE, UM, DALLAS PARKWAY, THE DALLAS, UH, TOLLWAY FRONTAGE ROAD. SO I COVERED, UM, SOME OF THIS ALREADY, BUT, UH, THE ADDISON PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THESE FIGURES ARE SPECIFIC TO THE ADDISON PORTION AND DO NOT INCLUDE THE FARMER'S BRANCH PORTION OF THE PROJECT, UH, INCLUDES 400 UNITS ON JUST OVER SEVEN ACRES. UM, THERE IS A LITTLE OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF AMENITY SPACE, AND THERE IS ALSO, UM, OUTDOOR COURTYARD AND AMENITY SPACES PROVIDED AS WELL. UM, THERE IS A LITTLE OVER 1200 PARKING SPACES THAT INCLUDES 12 ON STREET PARKING SPACES ON LANDMARK, WHICH IS DOWN HERE. THERE ARE, UH, 17 OFF STREET SERVICE PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UM, AND THEN THERE IS JUST OVER 1200 PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE. SO ONCE I, ONCE AGAIN, I, THERE IS A PRIVATE AGREEMENT WHICH REQUIRES THE GARAGE TO SERVE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. NOW THIS IS, THIS, UM, INFORMATION IS SPECIFIC TO THE FARMER'S BRANCH SIDE. UH, SO THE FARMER'S BRANCH, UH, PROPERTY IS A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES. UM, IT'S THREE. THE ADDITIONAL THREE STORIES OF MULTIFAMILY ARE PROPOSED FOR 135 UNITS. UM, THE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED UNIT MIX FOR THOSE 135 UNITS. UM, THIS PARTICULAR AREA HAS SIX ON-STREET PARKING SPACES, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE ON LANDMARK BOULEVARD, ONCE AGAIN WITHIN FARMER'S BRANCH. AND THEN THEY ALSO, UH, WOULD SHARE THE 1200 APPROXIMATELY SPARKED PARKING SPACES IN THE PARKING GARAGE. THE SOLID WASTE, UM, COLLECTION AREA IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED IN THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH IS WITHIN FARMER'S BRANCH. THAT WOULD SERVE THE MULTIFAMILY AND ADDISON AS [00:10:01] WELL. AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THERE ARE THREE PROPOSED SKYBRIDGE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, AND THOSE ARE, UM, DESIGNATED, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE RAISED, UM, SINCE THAT ALSO SERVES AS A FIRE LANE. SO ONCE AGAIN, UM, COVERED PARKING IN DEPTH. BUT, UH, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKING. THE, UM, PROPOSAL INCLUDES 1.2 SPACES PER BEDROOM, NOT PER UNIT, PER BEDROOM. UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, BOTH APPLYING TO THE FARMER'S BRANCH AND ADDISON SIDE, THE PARKING PROVIDED IS, UM, EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM BY 401 UNITS OR 401 SPACES, EXCUSE ME. SO THERE IS A, UH, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKING ON SITE TO SERVE THIS PROJECT. AND MOVING ON TO THE PART, UH, TO THE, EXCUSE ME, THE LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE. UM, AND THE REASON I SHOW THIS, UM, UM, THE PLAN IS ENTIRETY IS JUST 'CAUSE I'M THE NEXT SLIDE. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA CUT OFF THE, THE FRONT, THE ACCESS DRIVE A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT CLOSER. UM, SO ON THE ADDISON SIDE SPECIFICALLY, UH, IT PROVIDES 23% OF THE, UM, AREA OF THE SITE FOR OPEN SPACE OR LANDSCAPED AREA. THIS INCLUDES A LITTLE APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE OF LAND. UM, THERE ARE URBAN STREET SCAPES PROVIDED SURROUNDING THE BUILDING PRIMARILY ON THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST SIDE. AND IT DOES INCLUDE SOME PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, UM, SUCH AS, UH, BENCH TRASH RECEPTACLES, AT LEAST ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING. UM, THERE ARE PRIVATE AMENITIES PROPOSED, UM, BOTH IN THE COURTYARDS AS WELL AS IN THE AMENITY AND LEASING AREA. THOSE AMENITIES, UM, PROPOSE TO INCLUDE A POOL FITNESS CENTER, CLUBHOUSE, DOG WASH, UM, AREA, GAME ROOM, AND, UM, PUBLIC ART AS WELL. UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY ONE ACRE OF SITE AREA IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF OPEN SPACE OR LANDSCAPED AREA, UH, FOR THIS DENSE OF A SITE. HOWEVER, UM, JUST DUE TO THE CONFIGURATION, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF, UM, COHESIVE AREA OR USABLE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE IT'S VERY SEGMENTED AROUND THE PERIMETER. UM, BOTH OF THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY FOR THE FACADE DESIGN. UM, THIS BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE, UM, FIVE AND SIX STORIES. THE BUILDING MATERIALS PRIMARILY INCLUDE, UM, BRICK GLAZING, STUCCO AND FIBER CEMENT PANEL. UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 30%, UM, ON AVERAGE, UH, BRICK, UM, FACADES THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. UM, THERE ARE PROPOSED TO BE ACCESSIBLE ENTRIES OF AN ACCESSIBLE UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR. UH, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE UNITS, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE, WHAT IS THE MIDDLE FACADE. THERE HAVE ALMOST A TOWNHOME LOOK FROM THE EXTERIOR. UM, 'CAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE LIKE A TWO STORY, UM, UNIT THERE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A VARIETY OF RECESS AS WELL AS PROJECTING BALCONIES THROUGHOUT THE FACADES. UM, THE FOURTH FACADE IS NOT INCLUDED. UM, HERE IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. UM, BUT THAT'S THE FACADE THAT ACTUALLY FACES TOWARDS THE PARKING GARAGE. AND IT'S, UM, MOSTLY JUST A SOLID, SOLID FACADE. IT DOESN'T HAVE, UM, ALMOST ANY, UM, LIKE ARTICULATION OR BALCONIES. SO FOR THE UNIT MIX, UH, THIS IS JUST THE ADDISON PORTION. THIS IS NOT INCLUDE THE FARMER'S BRANCH, UM, ARE PROVIDED BEFORE YOU. THERE'S PRIMARILY, UH, ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS BEING PROVIDED OR BEING PROPOSED. THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE IS 900 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO, UM, COMPLYING WITH, UM, US GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL AND ENERGY STAR STANDARDS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND ARE ALSO, UM, PROPOSING A MINIMUM OF 3% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING TO BE, UM, INTENDED FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS. NOW, UH, MOVING ON, UH, TO TOWN, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH TOWN POLICY AND STANDARDS, UH, WE'RE GONNA COVER, UM, PRIMARILY THESE, THESE THREE ITEMS, WHICH IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE HOUSING POLICY, AND OUR VARIOUS, UM, LONG RANGE PLANS. SO THE THERE, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE 2013 COMP PLAN. IT'S BROADLY, UM, OFFICE SPACE IS BROADLY, UM, DISCUSSED AND IT DOES IDENTIFY THAT, UH, AGING OFFICE IS A CHALLENGE AND CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE, UM, NOW IN 2025 AND ENCOURAGES REINVESTMENT TO COMPETE WITH, WITH NEWER, UM, COMPETITION. I WILL SAY THAT, UM, [00:15:01] WHILE THIS PLAN WAS FROM 2013, THAT SENTIMENT STILL RANGE TRUE AND PROBABLY MORE SO POST, UM, PANDEMIC, UH, WITH WE'RE SEEING MORE, UM, COMPETITION UP AND DOWN THE TOLLWAY AND ALSO, UH, JUST A MORE CHALLENGING OFFICE MARKET, UM, POST PANDEMIC. AND THEN IT ALSO ENCOURAGES THE PRESERVATION OF LAND ALONG THE, THE TOLLWAY CORRIDOR FOR HIGHER DENSITY OFFICE BUILDINGS. SO, UM, THAT'S JUST, UM, MORE OF A BROAD NOTE THAT IT IS, THAT IS, UH, MENTIONED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MOVING ON TO THE HOUSING POLICY, UM, SO THIS IS, UM, WIDELY DISCUSSED FOR ALL OF OUR HOUSING, UM, PROPOSALS, ZONING PROPOSALS. AND THERE IS, UH, THIS IS CAN BE SOMEWHAT, UM, SUBJECTIVE AND SO IT'S SOMETIMES HARD DIFFICULT TO, TO APPLY. HOWEVER, I WANNA DISCUSS A FEW OF THESE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THE ONGOING DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD IS THE, UM, OWNERSHIP PRODUCT VERSUS RENTAL PRODUCT. SO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY FEE, SIMPLE HOUSING. IT IS A, UM, ONLY A RENTAL PRODUCT, SO OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT MEET, UM, ITEM ONE. THE OTHER THING I WANNA DISCUSS IS THE BEST FIT FOR THE MIXTURE OF USES WITHIN THE CONTEXT WITHIN ADDISON. UM, SO THERE ARE NO OTHER HOUSING, UM, DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THIS AREA WITHIN ADDISON. THERE IS ONE, UH, THE JEWEL ON LANDMARK, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPERTY. IT IS WITHIN, UM, FARMER'S BRANCH. AND, UH, WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT AT THE WORK SESSION, BUT THIS AREA WITHIN ADDISON, ONCE AGAIN IS PRIMARILY OFFICE. THERE IS ONE, UM, UH, RESTAURANT IN FRONT, WHICH IS THE FORMER LOWRY SPACE. AND THIS AREA, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR MANY DECADES, IS OFFICE IS NOT REALLY CONNECTED TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY, UM, BOTH FROM A CONNECTIVITY WALKABILITY, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S NON VEHICULAR. UM, STAFF DOES NOT FEEL LIKE PUTTING RESIDENTIAL AT THIS TIME IN THIS LOCATION IS AN APPROPRIATE, UM, APPROPRIATE AS THE MIXTURE OF USES EXIST. UM, AND THEN MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THAT ANY NEW PROJECT SHOULD CREATE, CREATE, OR ENHANCE THE URBAN CHARACTER. UH, SO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IS REALLY A STANDALONE. UM, THEY HAVE MADE A LOT OF EFFORT TO PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY WHERE FEASIBLE. HOWEVER, THE SURROUNDING AREA JUST REALLY DOES NOT ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND THEN, UH, FOUR DOES NOT, UM, SPECIFICALLY APPLY IN THIS CASE IS THIS IS NOT PROPOSED TO BE ANY SORT OF INDEPENDENT OR SENIOR, UM, HOUSING. SO I GUESS THEREFORE YOU COULD SAY IT DOES, UM, DOES NOT, UM, APPLY. AND THEN THE FINAL ONE, UM, IS THAT EXCEPTIONAL PROJECTS MAY STILL BE CONSIDERED IF THEY REPRESENT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AND THAT COMPLY WITH THIS POLICY AND OTHER TOWN GOALS. UM, SO IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS NOT, UM, DEEMS EXCEPTIONAL WHEN WE COMPARE IT TO OUR PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, APPROVED IN COM COMPARED WITH THIS PARTICULAR POLICY. UM, SO JUST TO NAME A FEW THINGS THAT OTHER PROJECTS HAVE, UM, THAT WE HAVE DEEMED EXCEPTIONAL THAT HAVE, UM, I GUESS SURPASSED THIS PARTICULAR POLICY INCLUDE THEY'VE, UH, PROVIDED A MIXTURE OF USES SUCH AS RETAIL, UM, PLUS RESIDENTIAL. THEY'VE PROVIDED FEE, SIMPLE OWNERSHIP OPTIONS IN ADDITION TO THE RENTAL OPTIONS. THEY'VE PROVIDED A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF MASONRY ON THE EXTERIOR FACADE, SOME OF THEM UP TO 92% OF THE FACADE, WHEREAS THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS PROPOSING ON AVERAGE 30%. I'VE ALSO DEDICATED, UM, PUBLIC PARK PLUS IMPROVEMENTS OF THOSE PUBLIC PARKS. WE'VE HAD A PROJECT THAT HAS DONATED UP TO OR DEDICATED, UM, UP TO FOUR ACRES OF PARKLAND PLUS THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. WE'VE ALSO HAD PROJECTS THAT HAVE COMMITTED TO DEVELOPING PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC SPACES THAT ARE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, UM, THAT SERVE MORE AS POCKET PARKS. UM, AND ALL OF THE PROJECTS, UM, RECENTLY HAVE ALSO ALIGNED WITH TOWN POLICY PLANNING POLICIES SUCH AS THE BELTLINE 1.5 PROJECT, THE ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIAL AREA STUDY, UM, OR HAVE ALSO FURTHER OUR GOALS RELATED TO THINGS LIKE THE MASTER TRAILS PLAN OR THE PARKS RECREATION OPEN SPACE PLAN, JUST TO NAME A FEW, UM, REGARDING ITEM FIVE ON THE HOUSING POLICY. SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS [00:20:01] IS, UM, KIND OF A RECAP OF THINGS I'VE, UM, ALREADY DISCUSSED, BUT IN SOME, UM, SUMMARY OF THAT, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THIS PROPOSAL CONSTITUTES, UH, EXCEPTIONAL PROJECT WHEN RELATING TO THE, UM, HOUSING POLICY. UM, I JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HOUSING MIX AS WELL. UM, SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF OUR H UH, RENTAL TO OWNERSHIP OPTIONS OVER THE PAST MANY DECADES. UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE THERE WAS A PERIOD, UM, FROM 1980 TO 2020, OR EXCUSE ME, 2013, WHERE WE DID INCREASE THE, UM, FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP OPTIONS. AND NOW WE'VE UM, KIND OF HOVERED, UH, WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK OF A 2080 SPLIT. GENERALLY THAT EBBS AND FLOWS, UH, DEPENDING UPON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH CONSTRUCTION AND VARIOUS ENTITLEMENTS AND SO FORTH. SO I SHARE THAT JUST TO, UM, IDENTIFY WHAT THIS APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSED, UM, PROJECT WOULD DO TO OUR, UM, OUR HOUSING MIX. SO I HAVE, THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL EXISTING NUMBERS, BUT THEY, UH, REPRESENT DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THE TOP IS OUR EXISTING HOUSING MIX WITH OUR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL TODAY THAT'S, UM, OCCUPIABLE OR OCCUPIED, IF YOU WILL, WHICH ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE AT THAT CLOSE TO THE 2080. UM, WITH THE, IF YOU INCLUDE THE EXISTING PLUS THE ENTITLED, UM, WE'RE AT 1783 APPROXIMATELY, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED AS IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY FEE SIMPLE OPTIONS, UM, THAT DOES PUSH US BELOW 17, UM, BY IS THAT 0.04%. SO NOT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, UM, FURTHER, UM, EXPANDING THAT SPLIT BETWEEN THE RENTAL AND OWNERSHIP OPTIONS. AND THEN, UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON DENSITY COMPARISON, UH, WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE DONE. UM, SO WE HAVE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS QUITE HIGH IN TERMS OF DENSITY. UM, THE ONLY OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE, I WOULD SAY CLOSE IN COMPARISON IS THE, UM, ADDISON HEIGHTS PROJECT, ADDISON CIRCLE, UM, WHICH IS ONCE AGAIN PRETTY CLOSE AT APPROXIMATELY 90 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, BUT IT IS WITHIN THE ADDISON CIRCLE AREA, WHICH IS, UM, HISTORICALLY A MUCH MORE DENSE, WALKABLE URBAN ENVIRONMENT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT ACTUALLY EXCEEDS THIS IS, UH, VITRUVIAN WEST PHASES ONE THROUGH THREE AT 96 APPROXIMATELY. UH, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THIS, THIS ONE IS A BIT SKEWED AS IT INCLUDES, UM, SORRY, AS IT, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, THE PARK SPACE WHEN YOU WERE GIVEN THOSE STATS A MINUTE AGO MM-HMM . ABOUT THE PARK COMPONENT OF, I THINK YOU SAID UP TO LIKE A FOUR ACRES WE'RE DEDICATED BACK, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING VITRUVIAN BECAUSE THAT PARK SPACE THERE IS MUCH LARGER, AND I KNOW THE TOWN REALLY KIND OF OWNS THAT. SO THAT WAS NOT IN YOUR STAT, CORRECT? NO, IT'S NOT. NO. THAT FOUR ACRE PARK I REFERENCED IS IN RELATION TO AMLE TREE HOUSE. YEAH. SO THEY DEDICATED, UM, THREE, THREE ACRES ON PHASE ONE AND 0.7, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 0.75 OR 0.76 ACRES ON PHASE TWO. WHAT IS ACREAGE OF THE VITRUVIAN PARK? IT JUST, I MEAN THE 96.1 JUMPS OFF THIS PAGE, BUT THE REALITY WAS THEY GAVE A TON OF PARKLAND FOR CITIZENS TO USE. CORRECT? I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN, I CAN GET THAT. OKAY. YEAH, NO, YEAH, SO THAT'S WHY THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS, IS QUITE SKEWED BECAUSE IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PARK SPACE. SO, UM, AND UH, MOVING ON TO, UM, MITIGATION OF, UH, TREES AS WELL AS, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH OUR PUBLIC SERVICE POLICIES. SO, UM, THE APPLICANT DID HAVE TO COMPLETE A INFRASTRUCTURE OR UTILITY, UM, ANALYSIS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WHICH DID FIND THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE WATER AND SEWER TO SERVE THE SITE OR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. UH, WE ALSO DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY, UM, POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH, UH, SERVICE PROVISIONS OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, TOUCHING ON THE REMOVAL OF TREES. UH, SO A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TREES OVER A THOU A THOUSAND CALIPER INCHES ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED DUE TO THE, UH, TRANSFORMATIONAL NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND ALL THE TREES SURROUNDING THE FOUNDATION OF THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED, UM, TO, UM, ALLOW THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, WITH THE LIMITED SPACE ON THE SITE, THEY'RE ONLY ABLE TO MITIGATE, UH, JUST OVER 400 CALIBER INCHES ON SITE. THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, MITIGATE THE REMAINDER AND FEE OF LIEU OF ONSITE MITIGATION JUST OVER, UM, $115,000. [00:25:01] UM, STAFF DID PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THERE WERE TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WERE PROVIDED TO STAFF VIA THE APPLICANT, UM, THAT WERE WITHIN THE NOTICE BOUNDARY. UM, 13 ADDITIONAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT WERE PROVIDED FROM VARIOUS, UM, THANKS FROM VARIOUS, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS AND TENANTS, UH, WITHIN ADDISON FARMERS BRANCH IN DALLAS. UM, AND I ALSO NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, ELECTED TO NOT HOLD ANY COMMUNITY MEETING RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE REQUEST AS PROPOSED. UM, I WILL MENTION THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF MY PRESENTATION, BUT I ALSO WANT TO, UM, END ON THAT, IS THAT THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A REQUEST FOLLOWING THE NOTICE AND PUBLISH OF THE PACKET TO, UH, POSTPONE INDEFINITELY. UM, AND SO AT THIS TIME, UM, THE APPLICANT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION AND, SORRY, ONE LAST THING. UH, VITRUVIAN IS 12 ACRES, THE PARK IS 12 ACRES. ANY QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE? OKAY. IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND MAKE A PRESENTATION, PULL IT UP. OKAY, GREAT. UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM. IT LOOKS, IT'S ON. OKAY. SHOWING GREEN. JUST MAKE SURE YOU STATE NAME AND ADDRESS. THAT'S OKAY. REALLY CLOSE. UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR MEMBER FOR THE COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS DANIEL BOX. I'M A ZONING ATTORNEY WITH WINSTED PC OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 27 28 NORTH HARWOOD IN DALLAS. UH, WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. WE'RE HAPPY TO ROLL THROUGH IT. HOWEVER, IT IS OUR FORMAL REQUEST THAT WE ACTUALLY BE POSTPONED THIS EVENING. I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU HEAR THAT WORD INDEFINITE AND CAN BE A LITTLE BIT INTIMIDATING, NOBODY LIKES THIS IDEA OF THAT APPLICATION HANGING IN LIMBO, UH, FOR TOO LONG. AND I KNOW THAT WE'D ALSO, UH, PREVIOUSLY BEEN SCHEDULED FOR THE JUNE, UH, PNZ HEARING THAT OF COURSE WE PUSHED SO THAT WE COULD WORK THROUGH EVERYTHING IN FARMER'S BRANCH FIRST, WHICH WE HAVE DONE. UH, BUT THE REASON WHY WE'RE REQUESTING POSTPONEMENT THIS EVENING IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS. WE SUBMIT OUR APPLICATION BACK IN OCTOBER, HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF, AND, UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE HAD MAYBE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THE PROJECT WAS CONSIDERED EXTRAORDINARY, BUT UPON, UH, REALIZING THAT, UH, THAT WAS NOT THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WANTED TO TAKE THE CHANCE TO MAYBE TAKE ANOTHER MONTH, MAYBE TWO AT THE MOST, TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE THIS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. AND SO I I'M GOING TO REFRAIN FROM GIVING MY PRESENTATION AT THIS MOMENT UNLESS, UH, REQUESTED. AND I WOULD INSTEAD REQUEST THAT, UH, PERHAPS Y'ALL MIGHT CONSIDER A MOTION TO POSTPONE. IF NOT, I CAN PROCEED. I, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT FALLS IN YOUR WHEELHOUSE. SO ARE, DO YOU WANT TO JOIN? SURE. THERE ARE SEVERAL JOIN. OR DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK THE QUESTIONS? THERE ARE SEVERAL MEMBERS THAT ARE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. SO, SO ONE CLARIFICATION JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING WHOLE HISTORY HERE. DID DID THEY DO ANY EFFORT WHATSOEVER OF DOING ANY OFFICE LEASINGS ONCE THEY TOOK IT IN, ONCE THEY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY? OR DID IT JUST AUTOMATICALLY BECOME SOME FORM OF A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT? SURE. UM, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SCOTT HAM, LIVE IN PLANO, TEXAS. AND, UH, I'VE BEEN IN THE OFFICE INVESTMENT WORLD FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UM, WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS DISTRESSED PROPERTY, WHICH WAS IN MY WHEELHOUSE, WE BOUGHT VACANT BUILDINGS, LOW OCCUPIED BUILDINGS, USUALLY WITH A TURNAROUND PLAN IN PLACE TO TRY TO LEASE IT UP. THAT WAS OUR BUSINESS MODEL. PRIOR, WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS ASSET, WE KNEW IT WAS IN DISTRESS. WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW BAD OF DISTRESS IT WAS. SEE, UM, ALMOST THREE MONTHS AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, IT HAD A CATASTROPHIC LOSS OF THEIR FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM UNDERNEATH THE FOUNDATION. UM, WE HAD TO EMPTY THE BUILDING OF ALL OF ITS OCCUPANTS, UM, AND IT JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE. THE CHILLERS, UH, AND THE COOLING TOWERS BEGAN TO FAIL. PUMPS BEGAN TO FAIL. ELEVATORS BEGAN TO FAIL. IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, SO IT WOULD'VE TAKEN SUBSTANTIALLY MORE TO GET ONE 1000 SQUARE FOOT TENANT THAN WAS JUSTIFIABLE. OKAY. JUST REAL QUICK, THEY NEED A PHYSICAL ADDRESS FOR YOU FOR OKAY. 63 13 WESTCHESTER LANE. WE, WE WON'T COME AFTER YOU. OKAY. OKAY. THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO YOUR DESIGN. SO I, THIS IS KINDA MY BUSINESS, SO UNFORTUNATELY I, I KNOW A LOT AND I JUST LOOKED AT THIS REAL QUICK. WE, DO YOU HAVE A DRAW? DO YOU HAVE THE OVERVIEW IN YOUR PRESENTATION OF THE KIND OF AERIAL OF IT, OR DOES LESLIE NEED TO PULL HERS BACK UP? UH, WE DO. WE HAVE A FEW. NO, LIKE, THERE, THAT WAS PERFECT BACK THERE. DID YOU DO A, A LIGHT STUDY [00:30:01] FOR LIKE NATURAL LIGHTING INTO THOSE? THOSE COURTYARDS ARE AWFUL NARROW AND YOU'RE AT A PRETTY HIGH STORAGE. I MEAN, STORIES AND I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT BECOMES FROM A, A LEASING PERSPECTIVE OF WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH NATURAL LIGHT IN APARTMENT COMPLEX, IT BECOMES A REAL, IN AN APARTMENT UNIT, EXCUSE ME, IT BECOMES THIS SERIOUS ISSUE. SURE. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. I GUESS IT'S BETTER SERVED FOR OUR ARCHITECT TO ANSWER. UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE A SPECIFIC LIGHT STUDY TODAY AS WE'RE JUST APPROACHING, YOU KNOW, ZONING TO GET OKAY. ACCOMPLISHED. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WOULD THROW IN YOUR LIST OF THINGS IF YOU DO SURE. ULTIMATELY COME BACK THAT, THAT I THINK IT'D BE REALLY IMPORTANT FROM WHAT I SEE FROM THIS DESIGN ISSUE. SURE. UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH, UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE. UM, GREAT. UH, SO YEAH, I WON'T BELABOR, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE WAITING. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I THINK, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'D WANT TO DROP THE BUILDING AND REDEVELOP. SO THE QUESTION WOULD, MY QUESTION WOULD BE WAS IT WAS CONVERSION ORIGINALLY? UM, UNDERSTAND WHY CONVERSION MIGHT NOT WORK JUST GIVEN, GIVEN THE SPACE AND THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DROP IT ANYWAYS, WHY NOT GO FOR DOING CONDOS IN AN REDEVELOPING CONDOS? SO WE HIRED, UM, A CONSULTANT TO DO A MULTI-FAMILY CONDO RESEARCH. UM, THEY SAID IT WOULD BE OVER A 10 YEAR SELLOUT PERIOD, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OTHER EXPERIENCES IN ADDISON. UM, AT WHAT PRICE POINT OR DID YOU NOT GET THAT FAR? AT WHAT PRICE POINT? MM-HMM . UM, WELL I'D HAVE TO RE RE OKAY. REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THAT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. SO EVEN, EVEN EVEN THERE. UM, SO WHY NO MIXED USE THEN? UM, SO, WELL FIRST I'LL SAY WE'RE PROBABLY OPEN TO SOME MIXED USE. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT LANDMARK COMES AROUND TO A DEAD END. YEAH. UM, AND SO THIS WOULD BE A DESTINATION LOCATION, NOT A PASS THROUGH. UM, LOWRY'S DIED A SLOW DEATH. I LOVE THAT RESTAURANT. UM, MCGUIRE'S IN THE BUILDING SOUTH OF US. THEY'RE CLOSING A NEW RESTAURANT'S GONNA COME IN. AND SO WE HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THAT MIXED USE BE. UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT? WE THINK OUR ADDITIONAL HEADCOUNT IS GONNA SUPPORT THE NEW LOWRY'S LOCATION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, AS WELL AS THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, OF COURSE, TENANTS AND EMPLOYEES AND, AND SUCH. WELL, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN WE USE THE WORD MIXED USE. YOU COULD LOOK AT A HOTEL COMPONENT DOING ANOTHER PORTION OF AN OFFICE BUILDING. I MEAN, I MEAN THERE'S WIDE, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING RETAIL. I MEAN, SO I, I THINK THERE'S A BIG GAMUT OF THE WORD MIXED USE THAT WOULD HELP FALL INTO A CATEGORY THAT YOU WOULD AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, PUT INTO MORE OF IT. IT PROVIDES MORE THAN JUST APARTMENTS. RIGHT. I THINK. YEAH, NO, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND, AND I THINK I WAS TELLING THE, THE, THE COMMISSION BEFORE, LIKE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE UPCOMING COMP PLAN THAT THAT ADDISON IS REDOING AND WE'RE GONNA BE DEBATING OVER THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS OR SO, UM, AS WELL AS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FOR INWOOD. UM, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, I THINK SOME HOUSING HERE MAKES SENSE. UM, BUT I, I THINK AS AN ISLAND OF WE'LL BE PRETTY MUCH AUTO DEPENDENT, UM, ONE KIND OF HOUSING, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER OF A SELL FOR ME. UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WERE TO COME BACK WITH SOME MORE MIXED USE, UH, YOU GOT THE PARKING FOR IT, UM, FOR SURE. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I COULD BE TEMPTED TO SEE THIS AS SOMETHING EXTRAORDINARY. 'CAUSE I THINK SOME LEVEL OF HOUSING IS GOOD, A HOTEL NEXT TO, RIGHT NEXT TO A BUNCH OF OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE, UH, IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE AND HAVE HIGH, UH, HIGH TENDENCY. I DON'T KNOW THE, THE DETAILS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS THERE THAT, THAT, THAT MIGHT, UH, MAKE ME A LITTLE MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS, BUT MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR I LET MY MIC GO. UM, SO FOR SURE, YOU KNOW, IF IF, IF YOU GUYS COULDN'T GET A, A HOUSING MIX WORK, IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN MAKING THE OFFICE REMAKING A NEW OFFICE BUILDING? OR IS THERE, IS THERE AN INCENTIVE THERE FOR THAT? UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY DIFFICULT TASK FROM AN INVESTMENT PERSPECTIVE. UH, IN, IN OUR MINDS THAT'S SHORT OF HAVING, UH, CEMENT STRUCTURE BETWEEN THE WINDOWS. IT'S A TOTAL REDEVELOPMENT. THAT BUILDING IS FORGETTABLE IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. YOU CAN DRIVE BY AND NOT EVEN REALIZE IT WAS THERE. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. MM-HMM . IF YOU LOOKED AT THE SUBSET OF OFFICE IN THE, THE QUORUM SUBMARKET, AND THEN EVEN DRILL DOWN FARTHER INTO ITS COMPETITIVE SET. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE ADDISON, THE ABERDEEN LANDMARK QUORUM PLACE IN MY CAREER, AND THERE'S A SET OF, UM, COMMODITY DRIVEN OFFICE BUILDINGS. THEY'RE TRADING TENANTS. THEY'RE, THE NEW STUFF IS GETTING THE VELOCITY AND THE, THE POSITIVE ABSORPTION. UM, THIS SUB MARKET'S 22%, [00:35:01] UH, VACANT, WHICH IS ALWAYS TRAILED THE DFW MARKET IN TOTAL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CORE, YOU KNOW, FIVE ASSETS THAT IT COMPETES WITH, THEY'RE CLOSER TO 30, 35%, UH, VACANT. SO THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH OFFICE SUPPLY TO LAST. WELL, I, I'D BE SAYING A NUMBER 20 YEARS TO, BEFORE IT EVER GETS TO A, A 95% TYPE STABILIZATION. SO, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY TA DIFFICULT TASK TO DO THAT. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE CAN SPARE THE OFFICE. WE'VE GOT PLENTY, PLENTY TO GO AROUND AND PLENTY BEING BUILT IN, IN, IN OTHER PROPOSALS. SO NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT. LIKE I SAID, I LOVE I HOUSING HERE MAKES SENSE IN THE LONG TERM. UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF MIXED USE WOULD BE GREAT. UM, YOU KNOW, BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY, UH, A FEW MONTHS DOWN THE LINE. SO THE COMP PLAN, I THINK EARLIEST IT'LL COME OUT IS END OF THE YEAR. UM, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE A NEW, A NEW THING TO KIND OF GUIDE US. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN, BUT THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I THINK THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER CONCERNS AS LESLIE WAS GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS. SO, AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS GOT THE STAFF REPORT, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT SPEAKING FOR THE, THE COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE TREE MITIGATION PIECE IS GONNA BE HUGE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THIS. AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IT. SO THE FEE SIMPLE, THE FEE SIMPLE PORTION OF IT AS WELL. SO, OKAY. AND IF I CAN JUST ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS. SURE. YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THE PROCESS IN OCTOBER OF 24 WITH LESLIE'S PREDECESSOR, KEN. YEAH. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY INCORPORATED MANY OF HIS DESIGN ELEMENTS. UM, WHAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IT'S A FACADE THAT APPEARS LIKE CONDO TOWNHOME UNITS THAT ARE, UH, YOU CAN ENTER FROM THE OUTSIDE MM-HMM . AS WELL AS THE INSIDE THE NORTHERN, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK IT UP HALF A LEVEL TO HAVE LOFTS IN THE NORTH EAST CORNER. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DILIGENTLY TRIED TO WORK WITH STAFF TO GET TO THE EXCEPTIONAL LEVEL AND WE PLAN TO DO THAT. AND SO WE LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE. WHAT DROVE THE DENSITY? UM, TO ME IT'S JUST, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY DENSE PROJECT. AND, UM, HEY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DID, DID, WAS IT THE INTENT JUST TO MAX OUT WHAT YOU COULD DO? OR HAVE YOU LOOKED AT IT IN TERMS OF OKAY, WHERE YOUR PAYBACK LINE IS? UH, GOOD QUESTION. I KNOW 400 UNITS WAS THROWN OUT. IT'S ACTUALLY PLANNED FOR 365 ON THE ADDISON SIDE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A BALANCING ACT, UM, TO, TO MAXIMIZE YOUR VALUE, BUT TO ALSO ENSURE THAT IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. AND SO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THE DENSITY, I THINK THE URBAN QUALITY AND LIFESTYLE IS, YOU KNOW, DENSE AND IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO RENT. UM, I, WE THINK IT'S A HANDSOME PROJECT AS WELL. WELL, MY, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE, I WOULD'VE A MORE FAVORABLE, UH, VIEW OF IT IF, IF THERE JUST WASN'T SOME RELIEF. IT'S JUST THIS MASSIVE BLOCK WITH NO REAL RELIEF FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE. AND SO YOU'RE JUMPING IN THE CAR TO GO, I MEAN, THERE ANYWAY, IT'S SOMETHING YOU, I, I UNDERSTAND MATH THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK OUT AND SURE. DENSITY, BUT, AND, AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN ILLUSTRATED YET, UM, IN THIS AREA, THERE'S TWO COURTYARDS, BUT THERE'S A PASS THROUGH BETWEEN THIS BUILDING MM-HMM . SO THOSE ARE CONNECTED ON THE LOWER LEVEL. OH, I'M SORRY, . OH NO, THAT'S FINE. I WAS ALSO ACTUALLY GOING TO ADD, WE'RE, WE'RE OF COURSE NOT OPPOSED TO MORE RELIEF. AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE EARLIER ITERATIONS OF THE PROJECT HAD A, A PRETTY LARGE CHUNK OF THIS FRONT FACADE HERE, UH, WAS NON-EXISTENT. IN FACT, IT ALLOWED A PASS THROUGH DIRECTLY TO THE COURT, TO THE COURTYARD, UH, THERE THAT WE THOUGHT WAS QUITE ATTRACTIVE. BUT THEN, UH, LIKE, UH, SCOTT WAS SAYING SOME OF THE INITIAL FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD RECEIVED, I THINK, UH, FROM THE PREDECESSOR KEN, WAS THAT THAT WAS UNNECESSARY AND THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT UP. SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WERE OPEN TO LOOKING AT. WE'VE LOOKED AT 'EM IN THE, IN THE PAST. AND IF THE DIRECTION IS THAT, IT'D BE USEFUL TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. CAN, SORRY, GO AHEAD. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. EXCUSE THAT ONE TOO. CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS FOR NOT HAVING ANY KIND OF LIKE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS FAR AS TALKING TO CITIZENS ABOUT THAT? I MEAN THAT'S, I KNOW IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S SURE. TYPICALLY RECOMMENDED FOR ANY OF THESE PROJECTS. WE MOVE ON TO THE, UM, THAT, [00:40:06] SO THIS IS THE AREA MAP AND I PERSONALLY REACHED OUT TO EVERYONE. UM, EVERYONE IN GREEN IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. UM, OF COURSE THAT BUILDING THERE IS THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY AND THAT WE WOULD ARGUE THAT MULTIFAMILY WORKS. THAT'S PROVEN IT. ALTHOUGH IT'S FARMER'S BRANCH, UH, THE LINE, WE, WE DO THINK IT WORKS. SO WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DOING IT IF WE NEED TO DO IT BEFORE, UM, THIS, THESE GUYS, THEY'RE IN FAVOR. HE JUST HADN'T RE RETURNED HIS, UH, LETTER, SO DIDN'T PUT IT ON THERE. BUT WE, WE THINK WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY OWNERS, TENANTS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE. BUT, UM, MY EXPERIENCE IN ADDISON IS THAT WE KIND OF LOOK AT THINGS HOLISTICALLY. 'CAUSE THERE'S SMALL, YOU KNOW, FIVE SQUARE MILES OF SPACE. SO NOT THE IMMEDIATE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE TENANTS. OBVIOUSLY THOSE PEOPLE ARE MOSTLY ALL BUSINESSES AND OTHER APARTMENT OWNERS. THEY'RE GONNA BE IN, THEY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS. I I MEAN IF IT'S, IF YOU GUYS HAVE SOME MEETINGS WHERE OTHER PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT DON'T LIVE RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT CAN EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS AND YOU GUYS MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING ON SOME ON SOME OF THIS STUFF. SURE. SO I'M, I'M, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK OR WHAT, WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE, UM, THAT YOU, YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT NILE. I, I NOT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THERE'S LOT POST OF PEOPLE FROM THAT DON'T LIVE THERE FROM ALL PARTS OF TOWN THAT WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE IT AND YOU KNOW, SURE. YOU GUYS DO A GOOD, IF YOU WOULD DO A GOOD JOB, YOU GET BUY-IN AND THEN THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. SURE. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. WE HAVE NO, NO ISSUES WORKING THAT THROUGH. I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. HAVE YOU DONE ANY BROADER AREA LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, LET'S SAY WITHIN FIVE MILES, INCLUDING FARMER'S BRANCH, INCLUDING PERHAPS THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT IN DALLAS, PREPPER SQUARE, WHAT THE OVERALL, UM, FEED IS FOR RENTAL UNITS, UH, IN THIS AREA? DO YOU HAVE ANY, HAVE YOU DONE ANY RESEARCH IN THAT AREA? ARE YOU ASKING IF I UNDERSTAND THE DEMAND OF THE, UH, BOTH THE DEMAND AND THE SUPPLY? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPLY. UM, AND WE ARE, WE'RE SUCH A SMALL COMMUNITY. SOMETIMES LOOKING OUTSIDE OF OUR BOUNDARIES IS HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT THE TOTAL SUPPLY THAT MIGHT BE COMING. AND DID YOU DO ANY, ANY BROADER STUDY ON THAT? AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HIRED THAT, UH, RESEARCH FIRM. I COULD SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THOUGH. YEAH. IT'S A, YOU KNOW, 80 PAGE, A HUNDRED PAGE RESEARCH PROJECT. I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, SINCE YOU OFFERED, I'D LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF THAT SO THAT SAME WE COULD LEARN. I, I THINK THAT'S A BIGGER CONCERN THAT IS HARD TO ASSESS SITTING HERE WHAT THE OVERALL SUPPLY COMING INTO THIS MARKET, UM, OUTSIDE OF ADDISON. IT'S FAIRLY EASY TO, TO DO IN ADDISON, BUT WE'RE VERY SMALL. UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPLY, UM, COMING ON AROUND THE AREA. AND ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IN THAT REGARD WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK OR ONLINE THAT NOBODY ONLINE, ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK. OKAY. HAVING NONE HAVING HEARD NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE PORTION COMMISSIONERS ONE LAST CHANCE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? LESLIE? OKAY. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND ONE THING. THE NOT PARTIC SPECIFIC TO THIS POSTPONING, OH, SORRY, I'M GONNA LEAN UP HERE. SORRY. . IF, IF THIS WERE TO BE DENIED MM-HMM . DOES THAT GIVE A RESTRICTION ON WHAT, HOW LONG THEY HAVE TO COME BACK? UH, POTENTIALLY. UM, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, ? YEAH. SO, UM, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, UM, AND THIS APPLIES TO ALL, UM, ZONING CASES OR ITEMS THAT WOULD RE REQUIRE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ULTIMATELY BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL. UM, ANY, UM, ANY ACTION THAT YOU, UH, AS A BODY TAKE IS A RECOMMENDATION. UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ON ZONING MATTERS. SO IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WERE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY MOVE FORWARD TO COUNSEL. IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL, [00:45:01] IT WOULD BE, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 DAYS. IT'S EITHER 10 OR 14 DAYS TO, UH, APPEAL THAT RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. AND IF IT IS APPEALED, IT WOULD THEN GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. AT THAT POINT. IT WOULD REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE TO ULTIMATELY BE APPROVED. UM, UH, IF IT DOES NOT RECEIVE A SUPER MAJORITY, IT WOULD BE DENIED. UM, AND THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE A, UM, THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A YEAR PERIOD FOR WHERE THEY COULD NOT RESUBMIT THE SAME APPLICATION. THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK. UM, ALTERNATIVELY, IF YOU ALL RECOMMEND DENIAL AND THEN THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL, IT IS WITHIN THAT WINDOW, THEN IT IS DEEMED DENIED AND THAT ONE YEAR PERIOD WOULD APPLY AT THAT POINT. UM, THE ONE NUANCE TO IT IS IF THE APPLICATION SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED, UM, THAT COULD BE THE DETERMINATION OF THE DIRECTOR, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE ME, THAT IT WOULD, IT IS NOT, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, DOES NOT CONSTITUTE THE SAME APPLICATION. OH, OKAY. SO, SO I'M GONNA SAY I, IT SEEMS LIKE IN MY OPINION, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE ANYWAY. SO WHAT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF INDEFINITE STUFF HANGING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, SOME APPLICATION THAT JUST IS LINGERING OUT THERE. WE'VE HAD TOO MANY THINGS WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE APPROVED IN THE PAST AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. I JUST, I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT. SO, POINT BEING IS THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IN YOUR OPINION, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ENOUGH CHANGES TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU GUYS TO EVEN WOULD TO POSSIBLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL MM-HMM . THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE IT BEING A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AND NOT OKAY. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT. OKAY. SO, AND THEN JUST ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, THE DIFFERENCES IS THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO, IF, IF IT WAS DENIED, UM, IT WOULD, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO REAPPLY. UM, IT WOULD GET A NEW CASE NUMBER AND, UH, THERE WOULD BE A NEW APPLICATION FEE ASSESSED AS WELL, AND WHICH IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN TWEAK ON WHAT'S HERE. I DON'T THINK TO GET IT PAST ME. . UM, AT LEAST I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. TWO SECONDS. SHE OKAY. SORRY. DID YOU HAD YOUR FINGER, SHE HAD YOUR FINGER. YOU BOTH WENT AT THE SAME TIME? I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ROLE FOR A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER REALLY IS VERY KIND OF BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO MAKE FOR SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PLANS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE TOWN. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS APPLICATION AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THERE, THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME MERITS AND I THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE ARE MERITS TO THE PROJECT. UM, HOWEVER, AS IT IS NOW, IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH, UM, TOWN PLANS. SO THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY PIECE. I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SUBJECTIVE FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. YEAH. AND, AND, AND THE ONE THING I, I, I WOULD STRESS, AND I I THINK WE'VE KIND OF MADE IT CLEAR IS I STILL THINK, YOU KNOW, THROW OUT THE MIXED USE INSTEAD OF IT WHATEVER APARTMENT, SENIOR HOUSING, THERE'S A BIG PUSH IN NEED IN THIS TOWN AND, AND DESIRE FOR SENIOR HOUSING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CONSIDERED BY YOU ALL OR NOT, BUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD THROW OUT, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION FOR ALL OF YOU. UM, OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE AT THAT POINT, JIMMY? SURE. WILL YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION? UH OH, I GOT A COUPLE. TOM WAS THE MIDDLE OF ONE, SO HOLD ON. YEAH, JUST GO AHEAD. SO BEFORE WE INTERRUPTED HIM ALREADY FOR ITSELF, I AGREE THAT THE PLAN, THE PLAN AS IS YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT PASSING, GETTING PAST ME EITHER. LIKE I, I DID SAY I LIKED THE MIXED USE. SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS ON, EXCUSE ME, THERE'S ANOTHER BIG THING HERE AND THAT OKAY, IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH EXISTING, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I COULD BUY THAT, BUT WE'RE RIGHT AT THE, BECAUSE OF, OF, OF SWITCHING UP SOME, SOME MAJOR POLICIES AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . TO ME MAKING, I DON'T, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THEM TO HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR IF THEY'RE HUNGRY TO, TO COME BACK, RIGHT. UM, IF, SO MIKE, FIRST QUESTION, LESLIE, SO THEY COULD DO A NEW CASE NUMBER, PAY THE THOUSAND DOLLARS IF THEY ADDED SOME MIXED USE, MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO YOU TO, TO TO, TO, UM, TO SAY THIS IS A NEW THING OR POTENTIALLY YEAH, POTENTIALLY. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S HARD. IT'S HARD WITHOUT, SO YOU'D YEAH. YOU'D BE OPEN TO IT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR AND I, AND I THINK WHATEVER, WHATEVER WAY WE CAN TELL THEM TO SAY, HEY, COME BACK WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR SOME NEW GOOD STUFF IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S COMING, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT. SO WHAT I, I, I'M NEW HERE, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE TO Y'ALL ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION HERE? SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S THAT, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO, [00:50:01] YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUES WITH THE TREE MITIGATION AND, YOU KNOW, UM, PARK SPACE. OH, SURE. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK, YEAH, HAVING A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SOME CHANGES TO THE FACADE MM-HMM . DIFFERENT MIX OF HOUSING, DIFFERENT MIX OF USES MAY PRESERVE SOME MORE OF THOSE TREES. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY THERE. UM, SO, BUT, BUT YEAH, I THINK THIS THING HAS SOME LEGS WITH A FEW CHANGES. I DON'T WANT THEM TO WAIT A YEAR. WHAT COULD WE DO ABOUT IT? WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR. IS WHAT LESLIE'S SAYING. LESLIE'S SAYING IS IT'S HER DISCRETION. IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY'VE MADE ENOUGH CHANGES FOR HER, SHE WON'T MAKE THEM WAIT A YEAR. RIGHT. YEAH. I'M, I'M FAIR ENOUGH. I MEAN THE, THE INTENT OF THAT, UM, THAT REQUIREMENT IS TO PREVENT AN APPLICANT FROM KIND OF BOGGING DOWN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND GETTING DENIED AND THEN RESUBMITTING THE EXACT SAME APPLICATION AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN AND AGAIN. THAT'S THE INTENT. MM-HMM . UM, I ALSO, I MEAN, THE SAME COULD BE SAID, IT MAY NOT BE THE INTENT TO USE FOR THIS EXACT PURPOSE EITHER, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION TO MAKE, TAKE ACTION ON THIS AS THEY SEE FIT. SO, OKAY. SO ONE MORE CRAZY QUESTION. SO WE, WE LEAVE THIS HANGING, RIGHT? I KNOW WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT WE LEAVE IT HANGING FOR A FEW MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THE COMP PLAN. DOES THAT MEAN THEY COULD COME BACK? COULD SO IF THEY DON'T COME BACK IN JANUARY AFTER WE'VE GOT ALL THAT STUFF SORTED MM-HMM . COULD WE DENY IT IN JANUARY AND LET IT DROP? NO. NO. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. IT WOULDN'T, NO, IT WOULDN'T BE A FORMAL PROCESS. I DON'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I, I DON'T THINK, GUESS THE QUESTION IS IF WE SAID IF WE POSTPONE IT INDEFINITELY MM-HMM . IT'S THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO COME BACK CORRECT. AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. CORRECT. CORRECT. CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. GOT IT. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I, I, I, I GET IT. SO I THINK WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS A, WE THINK IF IT COMES BACK WITH MORE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THAT WE WANT ANYWAYS, NEW CASE NUMBER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE IT HANGING IF WE DENY IT TODAY, CORRECT? MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. GOT NO MORE QUESTIONS, EMAILS, UH, I KNOW PUBLIC HEARINGS BEEN CLOSED, BUT WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GIVE OUR PRESENTATION THAT'S YOUR DISCRETION? UM, PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK THERE'S A POINT OF IT UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE FEELS STRONGLY DIFFERENTLY, SO, NO, I DON'T, I THINK THERE'S NO POINT AT THIS POINT. SO, TOM, DO YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION THAT YOU WERE ABOUT READY TO MAKE? YEP. I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION. CAN I HEAR A MOTION? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS CASE. 1925 Z PRINCETON. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. UH, DENIAL IS THE OUTCOME FOR THIS EVENING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY TAKES THEIR, YOU KNOW, NOTES AND, AND KIND OF IMPLEMENTS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE'VE WISHED FOR. AND I, I THINK STAFF'S BEEN PRETTY CLEAR THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF THE TOWN'S DESIRES. UM, AND, AND AS TOM SAID, I REALLY, REALLY STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE RESIDENTS BE REACHED OUT TO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST GIVING YOU SOME, I, I GET THE BUSINESS OWNERS. I, I GET THAT, BUT YOU GOTTA GET SOME RESIDENTS INVOLVED. UM, WOULD BE MY 2 CENTS FOR THE NEXT. SO ONTO THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, ABOUT ANY OTHER ISSUES NOT SPOKEN ON, UH, AGENDA THIS EVENING. UM, THEY ARE FREE TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK THEIR THREE MINUTES. UH, COREY, ANYONE ONLINE? NOPE. OKAY. HAVING SEEN ANY, THE, UH, THE OPEN CITIZEN COMMENT SECTION IS CLOSED AND WE HAVE NO FURTHER BUSINESS, SO THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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