[1. Call Meeting to Order and Announce that a Quorum is Present.]
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OKAY, IT IS 5:00 PM AND WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL OF JULY 22ND, 2025.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM WITH COUNCIL PRESENT WITH ALL MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE THIS AFTERNOON, AND WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO.
CITIZEN COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES.
AND IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNSEL AT THIS TIME ON CONSENT ITEMS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM
[3. Council Member Clarification Requests Regarding Consent Agenda Items. ]
NUMBER THREE.UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARIFICATION, REQUEST REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UM, THERE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED BY COUNCIL ON CONSENT ITEMS? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO COUNCIL O NUMBER THREE, A COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE SENT IN TO STAFF FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING AGENDA ITEMS, THOSE, UH, QUESTIONS ARE PUT INTO A DOCUMENT WITH THE RESPONSES AND, UH, THAT DOCUMENT IS EMAILED OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND THEN THAT, UH, THAT SAME DOCUMENT WILL BE UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE.
SO ANYBODY THE PUBLIC CAN GO INTO THE WEBSITE, PULL UP THE AGENDA, AND THEY'LL SEE A LINK THERE TO THE, UH, Q AND A DOCUMENT, UH, AT THAT POINT, AT THAT PLACE.
SO NEVER HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE A RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS.
YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
[4. Closed Meeting. The Addison City Council will enter a Closed Meeting pursuant to Texas Government Code Sections 551-071 through 090 to discuss the following item(s):]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CLOSED MEETING.THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL WILL ENTER A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 DASH 0 7 1 THROUGH 0 9 0 TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEMS, UH, FIVE, UH, FOUR A IS PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.087, SECTION ONE, ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS TO DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE, UH, REGARDING COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE, STAY, OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS.
AND THAT ITEM IS PROJECT MAGAZINE.
UH, THE SECOND ITEM WILL BE ON FOUR B IS PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.071.
SECTION TWO TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANT PROGRAM.
SO WE WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AT THIS TIME, WE'LL BE HERE.
[5. Open Meeting. In accordance with Texas Government Code Chapter 551, the Addison City Council will reconvene in an Open Meeting to consider action, if any, on the matters discussed in the Closed Meeting.]
WE ARE COMING BACK INTO OPEN SESSION FROM OUR CLOSED SESSION, AND IT IS 6 0 3.THERE'S NO ACTION FOR US TO TAKE FROM THE CLOSED SESSION.
SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO, UH, OUR WORK SESSION REPORTS.
[d. Present and discuss the Proposed Annual Budget for the Town of Addison for Fiscal Year 2026 for the Economic Development Fund.]
AND WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDER UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, START OUT WITH ITEM SIX D AND THEN WE'LL, THE REST WILL BE TAKEN IN ORDER AS, AS THE, ON THE AGENDA.
SO IF ITEM SIX D, PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE PROPOSED ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WAYNE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR COUNCIL WAYNE EMERSON, UH, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY, THIS EVENING WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND AND, UH, THE INITIATIVE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE GONNA, UH, GO IN A LITTLE BIT OF THE FUND HISTORY, UH, SPEAK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE KEY FOCUS AREAS, UH, THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS, A LOOK AT WHAT WE CALL OUR COMPETITORS CITIES AND HOW THEY ARE DOING THEIR FUNDING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN FROM THERE, I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER TO, UH, CFO, STEVEN LIPMAN, WHO'S GONNA LOOK AT SOME OF THE FUNDING OPTIONS FOR THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND AND GO THROUGH SOME PROJECTIONS FOR YOU.
SO, UH, REAL QUICK, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND WAS CREATED IN 2011 FOLLOWING A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S TIP STRATEGIES OUT OF OFFSET.
THIS WAS DONE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS TO SUPPORT LONG-TERM, UH, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT IS FUNDED BY JUST OVER 2 CENTS PER $100 FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THAT'S TRANSFERRED OVER INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO ATTRACT NEW COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES TO SUPPORT AND RETAIN EXISTING BUSINESSES.
SO AT THAT TIME, THEY HAD WHAT WAS CALLED GOALS AND SUPPORTING OBJECTIVES.
AND THE NUMBER ONE WAS TO BUILD INTERNAL CAPACITY.
SO THAT'S PRIMARILY STAFFING AND FINANCIAL TOOLS, WHICH, UH, WE'LL DIVE INTO SOME OF THOSE HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, TO RETAIN AND EXPAND EXISTING BUSINESS BASE TARGETING
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MID-SIZE FIRMS, UH, RAISING AS AND PROFILE THROUGH MARKETING EFFORTS, AND THEN TO MAINTAIN HIGH QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE.AND SO OVER TIME AND, UH, UH, MOVE FORWARD TO TODAY, WE NOW HAVE THESE KEY FOCUS AREAS.
AND SO THOSE OBJECTIVES HAVE ACTUALLY SORT OF EXPANDED.
AND SO, UM, THEY, THEY'VE GONE INTO WHAT WE CALL A PURSUE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ZONING TOOLS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEW AMENITY GRANT PROGRAM THAT WE USE, UH, TO RETAIN AND EXPAND TOPAZ LABS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW WE WOULD, HOW WE USE THIS FUND.
ANOTHER WOULD BE THROUGH BUSINESS ATTRACTION SUCH AS, UH, INTERNATIONAL, UH, ENTERTAINMENT OPTION LIKE FLIGHT CLUB, WHICH WE RECENTLY DID.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, A COUPLE USERS THAT ARE LOOKING, UH, AT THE RETAIL FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE IMPLEMENTING THAT SOON.
THAT WOULD COME FROM THIS FUND.
UM, THE TOD PROBABLY, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK THROUGH THE TOOLS.
A, A TURS OR A TIFF WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT WE, WE COULD BE USING THAT TO ATTRACT SOME, UH, SOME OFFICE TENANTS IN THERE WITH THIS FUND.
AND THEN OTHER, UH, UH, INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE IS EXPLORING MORE TOOLS TO, TO GET OUR HOUSING GOALS AND THEN TARGETING TOWN HOMES AND COGNITIVE DEVELOPERS, AND THEN EXPLORING, UH, POTENTIALLY EXPLORING SENIOR HOUSING OPTIONS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, WE USE THIS, UH, TO FUND NOT ONLY OUR STAFF, BUT OUR MARKETING.
SO, UH, OUR ADVERTISING STRATEGIES, OUR MARKETING COLLATERAL THAT WE USE TO PROMOTE OUR PROGRAMS COMES OUT OF THIS FUND.
AND THEN, UM, THIS INITIATIVE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT, EMBODI MOVING CORRIDOR, PROBABLY BETTER SUITED FOR A TIF AS WELL.
UH, BUT ALSO, UH, WE USE THIS FUND FOR OUR BRE EFFORTS.
SO THAT COULD BE, UM, PROMOTIONAL ITEMS THAT WE LEAVE BEHIND THAT COULD BE, UH, PROVIDING, UH, EVENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO COME INTO TOWN.
AND ALSO, UM, PROVIDING SOME, UH, ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES WITH OUR BUSINESSES.
SO, REAL QUICK, THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF, UM, NOT ALL, BUT MOST OF THE COMMON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS AVAILABLE TO US HERE IN TEXAS.
THERE'S TYPE A AND B, WHICH ARE FUNDED THROUGH SALES TAX.
UH, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN THEIR FUNDING IN THAT WAY.
UM, TO, TO KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE, A TYPE B CORPORATION CAN DO EVERYTHING A TYPE A CAN, EXCEPT THAT IT CAN ALSO FUND SOME PARKS AND SOME COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TYPE PROJECTS WHERE THE TYPE A IS PRETTY MUCH JOBS FOCUSED.
SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S USEFUL MORE THAT KIND OF HIGH IMPACT PIECE.
THIS IS THE TOOL THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY USING IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND AND WOULD CONTINUE TO USE.
TIFF IS PRIMARILY, UH, GOOD FOR LARGE REAL ESTATE, UH, INCENTIVE PROJECTS, AND THEN TAX ABATEMENTS, WHICH, UH, COULD ALSO BE USED FOR LARGE REAL ESTATE PROJECTS.
BUT REALLY JUST ANY CAPITAL INTENSIVE PROJECT IS A, IS A GOOD USE OF TAX ABATEMENTS.
AND SO LIKELY IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE BRING THE TOD TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL, WE'LL BE EXPLORING TIF TO FUND THAT PROJECT.
BUT WE CAN ALSO, UH, USE TAX ABATEMENTS, UH, SHOULD ANY HIGH OTHER, UH, CAPITAL INTENSIVE PROJECTS COME JUST THAT IS ANOTHER TOOL THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US IN THE FUTURE.
SO TO KIND OF FRAME THIS CONVERSATION, WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE, WE HAVE HERE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THIS REALLY KIND OF FRAMES IT UP FOR YOU.
UM, IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE FIGHTING, UH, NOT JUST TO WIN NEW BUSINESS, BUT WE'RE ALSO PLAYING DEFENSE AND TRYING TO RETAIN OUR EXISTING COMPANIES.
UM, JUST RECENTLY WE HAD, UH, OUR, OUR TEXAS, UH, TEACHER'S INSURANCE COMPANY JUST VACATED A BUILDING OFF SPRING VALLEY.
THEY'RE NOW GOING TO PLANO JUST DOWN THE ROAD IN A BRAND NEW, UM, IN A BRAND NEW BUILDING THERE.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OFFENSE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO PLAYING DEFENSE.
AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, HERE IN BLUE ARE THOSE TYPE A AND B CITIES.
THIS IS NOT A, A TOOL THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US BECAUSE OF OUR PARTICIPATION IN DART.
UM, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IN THESE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES IS TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE DART CITIES ON THIS, UH, SLIDE AND GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WAYS THAT WE COULD STRUCTURE OUR PROGRAM OR HOW OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE.
NOW, THIS FIRST SLIDE, I PROMISE YOU, IS THE MOST COMPLICATED ONE, AND IT'LL GET MUCH EASIER AS WE MOVE THROUGH.
THIS IS IRVING AND THIS IS 57 MILLION AND WHAT WE CALL FUNDING SOURCES.
SO THAT COULD BE THREE 80, THAT COULD BE TIFF, THAT COULD BE ABATEMENT.
UM, ANY ONE OF THOSE TOOLS AVAILABLE TO THE DART CITIES ANNUALLY,
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THEY'RE DEDICATED 57 MILLION INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.UM, PRIMARILY THAT COMES FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE FUND.
THAT IS A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT GOES IN AS THEY, AS THEY WIN THOSE DEALS.
AND THEN ANOTHER 21 MILLION PRIMARILY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THERE IN LAS COLINAS, WHICH IS THEIR MAJOR BUSINESS CENTER.
AND THEN, UH, 3.1 IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, WHICH FUNDS THEIR OPERATIONS AND MARKETING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A TRANSFER TO THEIR CHAMBER.
THEY HAVE A VERY, VERY STRONG, UH, TIE WITH THEIR CHAMBER.
AND THEY HAVE FOUR CITY POSITIONS AND FIVE CHAMBER POSITIONS THAT ARE DEDICATED SOLELY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THE REMAINING, UH, AMOUNT OF THAT 57 IS 52 MILLION, AND THAT'S DEDICATED TO BUSINESS INCENTIVES.
IF WE LOOK AT RICHARDSON, UH, RICHARDSON, UH, IS COMING IN ABOUT 33 MILLION.
ONCE AGAIN, UM, PRIMARILY COMES FROM THAT TOURS.
SO THESE ARE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT A GOOD PORTION IS ABATEMENTS.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW RICHARDSON HAS, UH, THAT PRIMARILY COMES FROM, UH, THE NEW TEXAS INSTRUMENTS PROJECT THAT WENT THERE.
SO VERY LARGE CAPITAL INTENSIVE PIECE, REALLY CAN'T CASH ON THAT.
SO THAT REALLY COMES THROUGH IN THE FORM OF TAX ABATEMENT.
AND THEN THE, OF THE REMAINING, THAT 32 MILLION THAT GOES INTO THOSE INCENTIVES AND OF THAT REMAINING AMOUNT THAT GOES INTO THOSE FOUR CITY POSITIONS, THEIR MARKETING OPERATIONS.
AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH UTD, WHICH THEY CALL THAT RICHARDSON IQ.
AND SO THEY HAVE ABOUT SIX POSITIONS DEDICATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THERE.
IN RICHARDSON, WE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR COMPETITOR, NEAREST SWISS IN THE NORTH IS PLANO.
THEY HAVE ABOUT 17.5 MILLION ANNUALLY DEDICATED AND FUNDING SOURCES.
THEY, THEY HAVE 2 CENTS OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS THAT COMES IN, BUT RECENTLY THEY CAPPED THAT AT EIGHT, EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE, UH, IN THEIR WORDS, THEY HAVE AN AMPLE FUND BALANCE OF $40 MILLION ALL DEDICATED TO BUSINESS ATTRACTION AND RETENTION.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THEY DO USE ABATEMENTS FOR THOSE LARGE, UH, CORPORATE USERS, TOYOTA, LIBERTY MUTUAL, CAPITAL ONE AND JP MORGAN.
AND THEN WITH, UH, OF THAT 15, THE REMAINING, I'M SORRY, OF THE REMAINING, UH, 17 FROM THE 15, THEY'RE FUNDING SEVEN CITY POSITIONS AT THAT, UH, CARTONS TO OUR WEST HAS ABOUT 6 MILLION DEDICATED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ONCE AGAIN, PRIMARILY TOURISTS AROUND THEIR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT THEY'RE PRIMARILY USING THOSE FUNDS FOR.
AND THEY HAVE FOUR CITY POSITIONS DEDICATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN OUR, UH, NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH AND WEST FARMER'S BRANCH HAVE ABOUT 5.1.
THAT TURS IS PRIMARILY IN THE FORM OF, UH, SOME DEVELOPMENT AROUND THEIR, THEIR TOD AS WELL.
AND THEY HAVE THREE CITY POSITIONS.
AND SO TO FRAME, TO PUT A SENIOR ON THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION, THIS IS, UH, THE STATE OF OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND WHERE WE HAVE 1.6 MILLION DEDICATED IN FUNDING SOURCES.
AND THAT ALL COMES FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
I INITIALLY, EARLIER, JUST A TAD OVER 2 CENTS AND WE HAVE ONE, OR I'M SORRY, UM, THREE AND A HALF TOWN POSITIONS, THAT HALF POSITION WE, UH, CURRENTLY SHARE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THAT WAS A NEW ADDITION IN, UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO STILL LOOKING TO, TO HIRE THAT POSITION.
ALRIGHT, I THINK FROM THERE I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO STEVEN.
HE'S GONNA DIVE INTO SOME MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THE FINAL, AND I'LL STICK AROUND THE QUESTIONS BEFORE.
THANK MAYOR AND COUNCIL STEVEN LET IN CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
SO, AS WAYNE KIND OF KIND OF MENTIONED, WE CURRENTLY FUND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
THE PROPERTY TAX RATE IS ABOUT, UH, 2.37 CENTS, UM, FOR $100 VALUATION.
SO RIGHT NOW, UH, IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, THAT'S GENERATING ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY TAX, UH, EACH YEAR.
UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE IS, IS, UH, BASICALLY A, A FORECAST OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IF WE KEPT THE STATUS QUO.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, UH, AFTER REQUEST OF, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLISON AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO DE FRANCISCO, IF WE INCREASE THAT TO TWO AND A HALF CENTS, WHICH IS ABOUT 0.13 CENTS, UM, UH, OF THE TAX RATE.
AND THEN WE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER OPTIONS THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD AS WELL.
UM, CURRENTLY AT THE END OF EACH FISCAL YEAR, WE BRING OUR, OUR, UH, END OF YEAR FUND, UH, END OF YEAR, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENT.
UM, AND IF WE HAVE EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS ON REVENUE IN THE GENERAL FUND AND COMING UNDER BUDGET ON EXPENDITURES, UM, WE TRANSFER THAT TO OUR SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND.
UM, THERE'S A PROPOSAL HERE OR, OR AN OPTION HERE.
UH, WHAT IF WE DID 25% OF THAT ANNUAL TRANSFER OVER TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT?
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AND THEN WHAT IF WE DID BOTH? UM, SO WE'VE GOT OPTIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE TO GO THROUGH AND, UH, AND WALK YOU THROUGH.SO IF WE DID, UH, JUST KEPT DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, AND THIS WILL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT IN, UH, BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET THE, THE FINAL PROPERTY VALUES.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THAT'S JUST OVER ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY TAX.
UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR OPERATING EXPENSES, A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN OPERATING EXPENSES, AND THEN THERE'S TWO LINES DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, EXECUTED ECONOMIC INCENTIVES AND THEN POTENTIAL INCENTIVES.
SO THOSE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
IF THE, UH, THE DEVELOPERS OR BUSINESSES THEY HIT THOSE TARGETS, THOSE ARE MY, THOSE ARE FUNDS THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO.
UM, SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FOR 2026, WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST UNDER $900,000 IN POTENTIAL COMMITMENTS, UM, FOR EXECUTED INCENTIVES.
AND THEN POTENTIAL ECONOMIC INCENTIVES WOULD BE NEW INCENTIVES, UH, THAT, THAT WAYNE AND HIS TEAM, UH, THINK COULD HAPPEN OR MAY HAPPEN, UH, OVER THE, OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU, AND YOU TAKE THIS THROUGH THE FIVE YEARS, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE ABOUT $3 MILLION AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND IF WE JUST KEPT THE STATUS QUO, AND IF THESE INCENTIVES DO HIT, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $1.1 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THAT FIVE YEARS.
SO THAT'S, IF WE DID NOTHING, KEPT THE TAX RATE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THE SAME.
DID, UH, USE NO OTHER TOOLS AS FAR AS, UH, GENERATING REVENUE FOR THIS FUND.
SO JUST THE EXPENSES THAT COME OUT OF THIS FUND PERSONNEL SERVICES, IS THAT, IS THAT PAYROLL AND BENEFITS OR IS THAT SOME ELSE? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S, UH, THE 3.5, UH, IN PERSONNEL AND THEN THEIR BENEFITS.
AND THEN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS GONNA BE MARKETING, UH, RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THEN I THINK SOME THE TB SOME, SOME OF TB CONSULTANTS, YOUR, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, MEMBERSHIP.
THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE CONTRACTIONS.
AND FOR CONTINUING IT OUT PAST 28, 29, UM, OUR OBLIGATIONS ARE STILL THERE.
UH, SOME OF THEM ARE NOW, SOME OF THESE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE GENERALLY DO GO DOWN OVER TIME.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE MORE FRONT LOADED.
SO, UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME COMMITMENTS THAT WILL EXTEND FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, SUCH AS VILLAGE.
I THINK WE'VE GOT ABOUT 12 YEARS LEFT ON THAT ONE.
SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 10 YEARS LEFT ON THAT ONE.
SO, AND THAT MAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF, OF THAT.
SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE ESTIMATING OVER $400,000 FOR THAT.
BUT, BUT TO PUT A FINE POINT ON IT, THOSE ON THE PARKWAY IS AN EXCEPTION, BUT MOST OF THOSE ARE SHORTER TERM.
SO WHILE THEY LOOK LIKE RECURRING EXPENSES, THEY REALLY FALL OFF.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IF IT CONTINUES TO DO NOTHING AND CHANGE, DON'T CHANGE THE FUNDING, THEN WE'LL BE OUTTA MONEY, UH, BY THE END OF 2036 IN THAT FUND POTENTIALLY.
I THINK WE, I THINK A BETTER WAY TO SAY WE'D BE LIMITED.
WE DO, BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S HERE TO FOLLOW UP, YOU COULD REPLACE 'EM, BUT YOU ARE LIMITED ON KIND OF HOW GRAND SHARE COULD BE.
LESS INCENTIVES, LESS LESS ECONOMIC OUT OF OUR FUND, FOR SURE.
SO AS WE GO ON, SO THIS IS OPTION NUMBER ONE, AND THIS IS THE OPTION TO INCREASE, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PROPERTY TAX RATE FROM 2.37 CENTS UP TO TWO AND A HALF CENTS.
UM, SO THAT INCREASES PROPERTY TAX IN THIS FUND BY ABOUT $80,000 PER YEAR.
UM, SO THE, THE, UH, BENEFITS OF THIS IS IT'S A RECURRING REVENUE SOURCE.
UH, THE DOWNSIDE OF THIS IS THAT IT IS ESSENTIALLY MOVING MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
SO WE WOULD BE REDUCING GENERAL FUND OPERATING REVENUE BY ABOUT $80,000 PER YEAR BECAUSE WE WOULD BE SHIFTING THE TAXES FROM GENERAL FUND TO THIS FUND.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT GENERATES A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE RECURRING PROPERTY TAX, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, ALL, EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME AS FAR AS EXPENDITURES, UH, INCENTIVES THAT LEADS US WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY AT THE END OF FIVE YEARS, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE A HUGE IMPACT, BUT IT DOES MAKE AN IMPACT.
SO IT DOES GENERATE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 300, THREE $50,000 OVER THAT, UH, THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THIS INCREASE IN TAX RATE, THAT'S JUST INCREASING THEIR FUNDS.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THE BASIC TAX RATE ON PROPERTIES, CORRECT? OR THAT'S CORRECT.
JUST GIVE MONEY OUT OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
STEVEN, REAL, REAL QUICK, ON THESE ACTUAL TAX AT THE TOP, YOU'VE GOT AN ESCALATING, IS THAT A 4% YEAR OVER YEAR? IT'S NOT 4%.
UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT I'VE GOT IN THERE, UH, IT'S 3%.
AND THAT'S JUST 3% GROWTH YEAR OVER YEAR.
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A STATIC TAX RATE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY TAX WENT DOWN THE REVENUE FOR, I MEAN, PROPERTY VALUES WENT DOWN, THE REVENUE FOR THIS FUND GOES DOWN AS WELL.AND WOULD YOU SAY 3% IS CONSERVATIVE RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS? IT HAS BEEN, I, I'M GETTING A LITTLE
BUT, UM, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW PROPERTIES AND PAYING VALUE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING IN.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S STILL PRETTY CONSERVATIVE.
HOW CAN, DO YOU KNOW HOW HEALTHY THE GENERAL FUND IS AND IS $80,000 KIND PUT THAT FUND
SO IT'S NOT REALLY DETRIMENTAL.
IT'S REALLY JUST, I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S ONE POSITION, IT'S ALMOST ONE POLICE OFFICE.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T EVEN PAY FOR A FULL POLICE OFFICER OR A FIREFIGHTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK OVER, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND I, I WOULDN'T, AND I UNDERSTAND THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING IT, BUT I JUST SPEAK, I WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT AS A FUND BALANCE IS A FUND BALANCE HEALTHY.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE RECURRING REVENUE BECAUSE, UM, AS WE'RE GOING, AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE A PREFACE, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET IN THE WORKSHOP VERY SOON, AND WE HAVE, SO WE'RE FINALIZING EVERYTHING, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT VERY FEW DECISION PACKAGES CHANGES OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH POLICE AND FIRE.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECURRING REVENUES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT THERE OF NOT HAVING MUCH TO DO AND WE'RE REALLY TRIMMING DOWN OUR BUDGET ON THE OPERATING SIDE.
UM, SO IT HAS AN IMPACT THERE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN FULL CONTEXT AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET, BUT IT REALLY IS DOWN TO OUR RECURRING REVENUES AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS AND, AND HOW WE DEVELOP THE BUDGET.
AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT THIS WOULD COME FROM FUND BALANCE.
SO WE COULD EITHER, YOU KNOW, FIND SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR OF $80,000 THAT WE COULD, WE COULD BUDGET, UM, AND EXPECT OR REDUCE OUR EXPENSES BY 80,000 TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A, A BALANCED BUDGET.
AND GOING FORWARD, SO THIS IS THE OPTION.
LET, LET'S SAY THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WE BRING OUR BUDGET AMENDMENT AND WE WANT TO SAY, INSTEAD OF TRANSFERRING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR, REALLY WHAT THIS AMOUNTS TO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, SALES TAX, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CALL IT A BONUS SALES TAX BONUS.
BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE EXCEEDED OUR BUDGET BUY IN IN MOST OF THE SALES TAX.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE REALLY IN PERSONNEL SAVINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE BUDGETING FOR FULL EMPLOYMENT, SO, UM, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT TO BE ABOUT $1.6 MILLION THIS YEAR.
SO 25% OF THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 400, $400,000 THAT AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE GENERAL FUND, UH, TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
UM, NOW WE DON'T BUDGET FOR THAT IN OUT YEARS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE REALLY, UH, A TIGHT BUDGET IN THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR RESPONSIBLE AND CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING PRACTICES THAT WE GENERALLY DO HAVE REVENUES THAT, THAT EXCEED WHAT WE BUDGET AND HOPEFULLY, UH, SOME, SOME EXPENDITURE SAVING AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
THAT COULD BE A RECURRING FUNDING OPTION FOR THIS.
BUT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BUDGETED ITEM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT ESTIMATE FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
SO THE REAL BENEFIT OF THIS IS IT, IT CAN POTENTIALLY PROVIDE MORE FUNDING THAN, YOU KNOW, A A SLIGHT INCREASE TO THE TAX RATE.
UM, THE DOWNSIDE IS, IS THAT IT IS NONRECURRING, IT IS GONNA BE MORE VOLATILE AND IT IS REDUCING THE MONEY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SEND OVER TO SELL FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE A LOT OF THOSE ONE-TIME REQUESTS THAT YOU SEE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, MOST OF THOSE ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS.
WITH, WITH ANY OF THESE OPTIONS, IF WE DO HIT LIEN TIMES, I MEAN, IS IT AT OUR DISCRETION IF WE DIDN'T WANNA FUND IT IN OPTION ONE OR FUND IT IN OPTION TWO, CAN WE JUST NOT FUND IT THAT YEAR? YES, THIS IS, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S REALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IF YOU SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE, WE HAVE A BIG FUND BALANCE HERE IN THIS FUND, WE, WE NEED TO CUT THIS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE OF THE GENERAL FUND.
'CAUSE I'M JUST THINKING IF THERE, IF THERE IS A, A SLOW DOWN, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE SEEING THAT MANY OPPORTUNITY ANYWAY FOR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I'M JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T, THIS IS LOCKING OURSELVES IN, THIS IS NOT RESTRICTED FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IT IS AN OPTION FOR THE COUNSEL TO DO AS THEY WISH AS FAR AS HOW THE TAX RATE EVERY YEAR WE CAN DECIDE ALLOCATED.
WOULD YOU SEE GOING FORWARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT AS A STANDING DECISION POINT EVERY YEAR? I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T, WE'VE NOT BROUGHT THIS, I MEAN, GENERALLY WHEN WE BROUGHT THE, THE,
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UH, UM, YEAH, ARE YOU TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TRANSFER? UH, ABOUT THAT 25%, RIGHT? OH, RIGHT.I MEAN WE, THAT IS AN ACTION I, WHEN WE TRANSFER THAT FUND, THOSE FUNDS TO SELF-FUNDED PROJECT, THAT IS AN ACTION ITEM EVERY YEAR, THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO CERTAINLY THAT COULD BE A DECISION POINT.
DO WE WANNA DO THE FULL AMOUNT OR NOT? I THINK HAVING A POLICY IS GOOD, HAVING AT LEAST A POLICY, A GUIDING POLICY THAT HELPS US BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU.
BUT YEAH, WE COULD ALTER THAT.
YEAH, WE'VE DONE THIS FOR I THINK THE LAST, THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAT THE, THE FINAL BUDGET AMENDMENT HAS SAID AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO TRANSFER EXCESS REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE SAVINGS TO THE SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUND.
SO IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, I THINK FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
UM, RELATED TO THAT, THIS IS SIMPLY TAKING THAT AND EXPANDING IT TO TWO FUNDS INSTEAD OF ONE.
SO AT THE END OF FOUR YEARS, JUST WITH THE $400,000, YOU STILL END UP WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN YOU DID UNDER THE PREVIOUS OPTION OF INCREASING THE TAX RATE.
AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY, ANY ESTIMATES OUT THERE FOR THE OUT YEARS BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY SAVINGS IN EXCESS REVENUE BUDGET.
UM, SO, AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IF THERE WAS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO, WE HAD, UM, A RECURRING OPTION WITH, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS GOING INTO THIS FUND.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE PRACTICE OF 25% OF OUR EXCESS REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE SAVINGS FOR THE GENERAL FUND ALSO GOING INTO THIS FUND, UH, TO FUND IT SOON.
SO YOU SEE WE'VE GOT THE $80,000, ABOUT $80,000 INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, UM, WITH, WITH, UH, THAT PROPERTY TAX CHANGE.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT THE TRANSFER, WHICH COULD BE THERE FOR FUTURE YEARS AS WELL.
UH, IT'S JUST AN UNKNOWN, BUT GIVEN THAT, UM, WITH ALL THE INCENTIVES THAT WE HAVE LISTED A YEAR, UM, IT, IT GENERATES ABOUT $800,000, SEVEN, $750,000 MORE THAN JUST OUR BASELINE SCENARIO THAT WE SHOWED IN THE FIRST SLIDE.
UM, SO, BUT THERE'S ALSO, AGAIN, THE POTENTIAL FOR THOSE OTHER YEARS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE MONEY TO TRANSFER INTO THIS FUND TO HELP FUND SOME, SOME OF THOSE, UH, INCENTIVES GOING FORWARD.
SO I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THESE OPTIONS.
THESE OPTIONS AREN'T MEANT TO KIND OF LIMIT US TO WHAT WE TALK ABOUT.
AND I THINK I WOULD JUST, ALL THE DISCUSSION REALLY GOES BACK TO WHAT WE SHOWED WITH THE OTHER DART CITIES WE'RE ALL DEALING WITH IN THE SAME REALITY AS WE COMPETE WITH THE FOUR A FOUR B CITIES.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY DO THINGS.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS IF YOU WANNA THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU SEE A LOT OF THOSE CITIES OUTSIDE OF WHAT THEY USE FOR THESE FUNDS, THEY DO TAX ABATE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT HERE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT PROS AND CONS.
SO IT'S REALLY AN OPEN DISCUSSION.
THESE WERE SOME KIND OF THOUGHTS TO HAVE OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET INTO THE BUDGET TIME FOCUS ON THIS FUND.
AND YOU WILL ALSO HAVE SOME, SOME OPTIONS FOR SOME, SOME TIPS COMING FORWARD AT SOME POINT RELATED TO THE TOD MAY BE THE INWARD CORRIDOR.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED, INCLUDING THOSE DOLLARS, IF THOSE THINGS GO THROUGH AND COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, YOU WILL SEE OUR COMMITMENTS AS FAR AS ECONOMIC ONGOING FUNDING INCREASE FROM THIS.
DO WE HAVE A, UH, POLICY ON THAT? THAT FUND BALANCE? WE HAVE POLICIES ON THE FUND BALANCE.
IT'S 25% OF OPERATING EXPENSES.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, IF I, EVEN IF I GO BACK TO THE FIRST OPTION, UM, WE'RE AT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 318% IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING.
SO, WHICH THIS FUND, I, IT'S REALLY PROBABLY A BETTER IDEA TO HAVE A HIGHER FUND BALANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING ONE TIME INCENTIVES AND BUSINESS IS COMING IN AND YOU WANT TO ATTRACT THEM.
YOU NEED SOME MONEY, YOU NEED SOME CASH IN YOUR POCKET TO BE ABLE TO TO, TO ATTRACT THEM.
BUT, UM, IT STILL IS AN OPERATING FUND THAT HAS A RECURRING REVENUE SOURCE AND RECURRING EXPENSES.
SO IT FALLS INTO THAT 25% MINIMUM.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE INCENTIVE PROJECTIONS, WHICH ARE, UH, IF I GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE, WHEN WE SEE EXECUTED ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, UH, THESE ARE THOSE INCENTIVES THAT ARE PROGRAMMED AND THOSE ARE WHAT OUR PROJECTIONS ARE FOR THOSE INCENTIVES THAT THE TOWN'S ALREADY COMMITTED TO.
UM, THEY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY COULD THEIRS IS, IS IS A PERCENTAGE BASE.
SO IF THEY, IF WE WANT THEM TO, WE'D LIKE TO PAY THEM MORE THAN THIS, IT MEANS WE'RE GETTING MORE.
UM, BUT, UM, SO, SO THOSE NUMBERS CAN CHANGE, BUT THOSE ARE OUR PROJECTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT THOSE INCENTIVES, UH, WILL BE, UH, WHEN, WHEN THEY COME DUE IS, IS WHAT, UH, WE WOULD END UP PAYING.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WERE THOSE OTHER AMOUNTS THERE LISTED AS POTENTIAL ECONOMIC SUCCESS.
BUT, UM, SO TOTAL WE'VE GOT ABOUT 2 MILLION, UH, DOLLARS IN FUTURE COMMITMENTS JUST OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND, AND ARE WE MONITORING THESE ON A REGULAR BASIS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FULFILLING THEIR COMMITMENTS? YES.
SO IF THEY DIDN'T, THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE ON YOU, RIGHT? CORRECT.
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IN FACT, THE REASON WHY YOU DO NOT SEE THE ONES THAT WE PAID OUT, UH, SEPARATE FOR A QRE, WHICH THAT THAT'S PROCESSING RIGHT NOW, BUT THE OTHER ONES ARE BECAUSE THEY, THEY DID NOT NEED THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.YEAH, WE, SOME WE'RE NOT THERE.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND WE WANT THEM TO FULFILL IT, RIGHT? WE WANT TO WANT TO PAY THEM.
WELL, I, I THINK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN BE DOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TAX RATE'S IMPORTANT.
UM, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN CUT IN THE BUDGET.
SO I WOULD, I WANT TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GROW THE TOP LINE.
THAT'S WHY THIS DISCUSSION IS HAPPENING.
UM, I'D LOVE TO TRY TO GET THEM MORE FUNDS, BUT I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TONIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID INCREASE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GUYS PUT IT TO GOOD USE? IT'S A, YOU GUYS ARE A SMALL GROUP.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I, WHEN I THINK OF YOU GUYS GOING ON OFFENSE, WHAT I, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, OF COURSE RETAINING WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE OFFICE TOWERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO DO MORE BROKER EVENTS.
GET TO KNOW THOSE BUILDING OWNERS BETTER, GET TO KNOW EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
YOU KNOW, WHOSE LEASES ARE EXPIRING, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE METROPLEX.
YOU KNOW, WE SEND THEM, UM, TICKETS TO TASTE.
WE SEND THEM TICKETS TO KABOOM TOWN.
WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO BRING THEM IN.
UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT.
I, I I WANT TO START CHASING SALES TAX PAYERS MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVING SOME OF THE FUNDS AWAY THAT WE'VE GOT.
I, I, SO THAT'S WHERE I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS HOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU THINK YOU COULD DO WITH THE STAFF AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
SO I THINK THAT HALF POSITION THAT YOU SAW THERE EARLIER, I THINK THAT'S GONNA HELP A LOT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA FREE, UH, DAVID UP, UH, ON THE BRE VISITS AND ON THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY HE'S DOING A LOT OF THAT WORK RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WITHIN OUR BUDGET PRIORITIES THAT WE WILL BE PRESENTING, WE WERE, UH, SUGGESTING ADDING A COORDINATOR POSITION THAT'S REALLY GONNA KIND OF HELP, UH, GUIDE THAT CADENCE FOR US AND FREE MYSELF UP TO BE GOING OUT THERE AND PLAYING MORE OFFENSE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN OF MADISON.
UM, AND THEN WITHIN THERE WE HAVE SOME, UH, I GUESS YOU CALL 'EM BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT TOOLS AS PART OF TEAM TEXAS.
SO LEVERAGING THE, THE TEXAS BRAND, GETTING OUT THERE, GOING TO NATIONAL EVENTS, INTERNATIONAL EVENTS AND, AND REALLY GETTING OUTSIDE OF THE REGION TO ATTRACT SOME FOLKS.
UM, AND THEN STEVEN ALREADY ALLUDED TO IT, BUT I, I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT THE TOD THAT THE CATALYST THAT THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL TRULY LIFT UP A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE IN OUR OFFICE ENVIRONMENT.
THERE'LL STILL BE SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FORUM.
UM, I'M SORRY, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BELTLINE ON FORUM.
SO, AND WE, WE'VE GOT A GREAT, UH, PARK IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT I THINK IS GONNA DO WELL FOR THAT, FOR THOSE OFFICES THERE.
SO JUST REALLY MAKING ADDISON ATTRACTIVE THROUGH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT TOD CREATING A MIXED USE, WHICH IS WHAT THE MARKET DESIRES, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT SUPER ATTRACTIVE AND IT'S GONNA GIVE, UH, MY TEAM SOMETHING TO SELL.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME PRODUCT, UH, BUT WE NEED COMPETITIVE PRODUCT.
AND I THINK THAT IS COMING AND YOU'RE REALLY GONNA SEE, UH, THAT LIFT AND THEN GOING BACK TO THOSE TIF FUNDS, THAT'S, IF YOU, IF YOU GO BACK TO THOSE OTHER SLIDES, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THESE OTHER CITIES ARE GETTING A LOT OF THEIR ROI IS REINVE INVESTING BACK INTO THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
ABATEMENT IS ALWAYS A TOOL, IT'S JUST A REVENUE FOR GONE.
SO WE COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO SOME OF OUR HOTELS OR SOME OF OUR OLDER OFFICE BUILDINGS AND OFFERING ABATEMENTS THAT THEY MAKE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN SIGNIFICANT LEVELS OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT.
SO THOSE ARE TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US ON THAT FRONT THAT MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY WOULD BE GREAT.
UH, COMING OUTTA THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
I WOULD JUST ADD TO THE KIND, THE RESOURCES FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
SINCE WAYNE'S BEEN THERE, HE IS REALLY LOOKED AT THE THREE POSITIONS THAT HE HAS CONTROL OVER AND HAS RE YOU KNOW, RE UPDATED ALL THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND HAS CHANGED THEIR FUNCTION OF EACH POSITION, WHICH I THINK HAS MADE THEM MORE DYNAMIC AS THEY'RE GOING FORWARD AND DOING THESE DEALS.
AND AGAIN, THAT HALF POSITION'S GONNA HELP TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF THEM SO THEY CAN CONTINUE ON.
SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS WITH THAT PROACTIVE NATURE OF THEM GOING OUT.
DAVID, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM US TONIGHT? OH, WELL, I WOULD, IF THE SPECIFIC DIRECTION WOULD BE, AS WE GET THE, THE BUDGET FOR THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, IF YOU WANT US TO START TO LOOK AT INCREASING THAT AMOUNT THAT GOES THROUGH THE FUND, THAT'S SOMETHING, IF I GOT DIRECTION, WE WOULD PUT THAT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
IF NOT, THAT COULD JUST BE AN OPTION THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LOVE ANY DIRECTION YOU WANTED.
AND SO CHRIS AND I CO-SPONSORED AN AGENDA ITEMS, THIS KIND OF ABSOLUTELY MERGED INTO THIS
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PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW.YEAH, LET ME JUMP IN IF I COULD.
'CAUSE AGAIN, CO-SPONSORED THIS AND, AND THE REASON, THE REASON I DID IT IS BECAUSE, UH, WHEN WE CREATED, UM, THIS FUNDING MECHANISM, ACTUALLY THE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE IT, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
SO WE CREATED THE DEPARTMENT HOW TO FUND IT.
AND SO THAT WAS DONE, WHAT, 14 YEARS AGO.
SO WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY CHANGES IN THE INCREASE TO THE PERCENTAGE SINCE IT'S, SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
UM, NOW A VALOR HAS GONE UP, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE INCREASE JUST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BASED ON, ON, ON THINGS THAT STEVE'S BEEN SHOWING.
I I, I TRUST, I TRUST THIS GAME.
I MEAN, THEY ARE BUSTING THEIR TAIL LIKE I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
AND, AND EVERY TIME YOU ALL BRING US SOMETHING, I GET EXCITED BECAUSE IT, WE'RE REINVESTING, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES, WE'RE REINVESTING INTO SOME COMPANIES, SOME ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT DRIVER.
AND SO I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AND, UM, AND I WANT MORE OF IT, HAVE TIME.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
I DON'T, I DON'T VIEW OPTION ONE IS, IS, IS, IS WHAT I SUGGESTED ON THE CO-SPONSOR.
AND, AND AT MINIMUM I WANT TO DO THAT.
IF SOMEBODY'S GOT OTHER IDEAS, I WANNA HEAR 'EM.
BUT, BUT I'M ALL FOR OPTION ONE AT A MINIMUM.
UM, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW 80,000 PER YEAR INCREASE.
AND I JUST, I JUST TRUST THAT THIS GANG IS GONNA GONNA USE THAT MONEY WISELY TO, TO BRING US MORE BUSINESS THAT SHE'S GONNA CREATE MORE REVENUE AND IT'S GONNA GIVE US A BIGGER, UH, BASE TO, TO WORK WITH GOING FORWARD.
IF I, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT ON THERE.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, AT 80,000 OFTENTIMES WHEN I'LL BRING YOU A PROJECT, I TALK ABOUT THAT LEVERAGE RATIO OF 10%.
SO IT'S A GOOD FRAME OF MIND TO THINK THAT, OKAY, 8,000, UH, YOU KNOW, A BIG PICTURE SHOULD ATTRACT ABOUT $800,000 PRIVATE INVESTMENT.
AND SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE FRAMEWORK I USE IN MY BRAIN ALL THE TIME WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT, UH, HOW MUCH I HAVE AVAILABLE.
WELL, THIS IS HOW MUCH INVESTMENT THAT, UH, I'M ABLE TO ATTRACT BASED ON THAT.
SO, UM, BACK ON SLIDE 11, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, UH, WE, AND WHEN WE'RE COMPARING ALL THE, THE BAR GRAPH, WHICH IS JUST BROKEN OUT, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT FUNDS, IS THAT, UH, UH, IS OUR GRANTS, UM, EQUATED IN THERE ANYWAY? OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SO THIS IS CARROLLTON, RIGHT? SO THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF READING SOME TEA LEAVES A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU'RE GOING IN AND DOING THIS, BUT THE GENERAL FUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THAT IS OPERATIONS AND SALARIES.
OKAY? SO 1.8 WOULD BE GRANTS TO BUSINESSES.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE DIRECT IN THAT PIECE.
AND THEN TURS, UM, NOT ALWAYS.
YOU COULD HAVE A THREE 80, YOU COULD HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT WITHIN, INSIDE OF THE TERMS, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD SEE MOST OF THOSE FUNDS GOING INTO INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE YET.
AND SO BACK ON SLIDE 18 OR 19, THAT'S, UM, 18.
SO TO THAT POINT, UM, SO ECONOMIC, UH, EXECUTED INCENTIVES IT.
SO THAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR TOTAL.
SO WE JUST KIND OF ROLL 'EM TOGETHER? THEY SEPARATE 'EM OUT.
UM, WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT'S THE LIMITATIONS ON USING ANY PART OF SALES TAX? I KNOW IT'S JUST MOVING MONEY AROUND, BUT IT IS, IT'S, IT'S FROM A, UM, UM, PHILOSOPHY STANDPOINT, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING, UM, THE RETURN BACK FROM SALES TAX AND IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE PROPERTY TAX.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR LIMITATIONS ON THAT FROM WHAT THE STATE HAS OR THERE, THERE'S NOT A LIMITATION ON THAT.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION THOUGH BECAUSE WE'RE PULLING FROM THE GENERAL FUND SURE.
ESSENTIALLY TO MOVE IT TO THIS FUND.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHAT THIS TRANSFER DOES BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS COULD BE SALES TAX IS MORE TRA ESSENTIALLY WHAT MOST MOST YEARS IT IS, IS SALES TAX THAT CAME IN OVER OUR BUDGET MM-HMM
UM, SO, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A PORTION REALLY WHAT THAT IS.
SO IF WE HAVE, UM, UH, MAYBE A PROSPECT PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS COMING TO TOWN AND WE'RE, UM, SALES TAX IS A PART OF THE, UH, I'M SORRY,
AND OUR RESIDENTS LOOK HIGHLY AT, UH, ADD ONE TAX AND THEY DON'T THINK ANYTHING ABOUT THE SALES TAX.
SO KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE THIS COMFORT.
WELL, OUR SALES TAX RATE IS GONNA BE THE SAME SURE.
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IT'S JUST REALLY HOW YOU'RE WANTING TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS, I THINK SOME WAYS.EXAMPLE, UH, OF DARK CITIES, DO YOU SELL TAX TO, TO TRANSFER OVER? UH, IT IS MAINLY, THEY'RE ALL, ALL THE ONES WE LOOKED AT.
THE WAY IT'S READ IS JUST A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FILE.
I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE IN THIS IN A DARK CITY THAT SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO AN ALLOCATION OF SALES TAX.
SO IT'S ALL KIND OF A DIRECT TRANSFER.
IRVING, UH, WILL DO A DIRECT TRANSFER BASED ON THE PROJECT.
SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE THEY EXECUTE THE PROJECT AND THEN THEY DO A, I GUESS A TRANSFER GOING TO THE NEXT VISIT.
I'M INTERESTED FURTHER THAN THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR.
I THINK I LIKE THE, THE TRANSFER OF, OF THE EXCESS COURT OF 25% OF THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK IT GIVES 'EM ENOUGH, UH, DRY POWDER TO DO SOMETHING WITH.
THIS ISN'T EXPANSE, IT'S INVESTMENT.
AND I GO ON THE BRE VISITS WITH YOU GUYS.
I KNOW THAT'S RETENTION, BUT RETEN RETAINING THOSE BUSINESSES IS EXACTLY WHAT THE NEW BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING FOR ALSO.
AND SO I, I SEE WHAT THE, THE CUSTOMER OUT THERE IS WANTING AND I'M ALL FOR IT.
SO WERE YOU SAYING YOU LIKE THAT OPTION THREE? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THREE.
DID, DID I HEAR YOU SAY YOU WERE, YOU WERE TRYING TO ADD TO THE DEPARTMENT, HIRE SOMEONE ELSE ABOVE THE THREE AND A HALF YOU HAVE.
SO WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT OUR BUDGET PRIORITIES AT A COORDINATOR POSITION.
AND DO YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ALL THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEED RIGHT NOW? I KNOW AT ONE POINT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT YOU WERE SURPRISED THAT THERE WASN'T ANY KIND OF CRM AND, UM, SO, SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ASSET BUILDING IS WHAT I, I WOULD SAY.
SO KIND OF SHIFTED SOME OF OUR RESOURCES.
I WOULD SAY A LOT OF OUR MARKETING DOLLARS WERE MORE PRESUMPTIVE, LIKE, HEY, ONE TIME SPENDS.
AND, UM, NOT REALLY SEEING AN ROI ON THAT.
SO I'VE SH UH, WE'VE SHIFTED A LOT OF THAT INTO ASSET BUILD, THE CRMS, THE MARKETING COLLATERAL, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PROFILES.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME MORE, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER REQUEST FOR MORE MARKETING THAT WE PRIMARILY WILL SHIFT INTO, UH, VIDEO ASSETS.
SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE OTHER ASSETS THAT WE JUST CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE THAT A LOT OF THESE OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS DO.
AND ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S SOCIAL MEDIA.
YOU KNOW, MARY'S OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THE CLICKS IS THE VIDEOS.
AND SO, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME MORE MARKETING DOLLARS IN THERE.
UM, THE ADDITIONAL INCREASE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS MORE EVENTS.
SO KIND OF, UH, TAKING TO SENSING THIS BIG NET APPROACH AND HOPING WE CATCH SOMETHING.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING MORE SPEARFISHING AND SAYING, HEY, THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE WANT TO TALK TO.
AND DOING SOME MORE, MORE OF THOSE MICRO EVENTS.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY BUILDING THAT INTO SOME MORE INDUSTRY FOCUS EVENTS.
AND THEN, UH, THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS I MENTIONED WAS THAT TEAM TEXAS.
SO THERE'S SOME MORE, UH, REQUESTS AND TRAVEL TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, TECHNICALLY MARKETING, BUT REALLY THOSE ARE THE, THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE COMING IN THERE.
UM, AND THEN CURRENTLY THERE'S STILL A, A, A REQUEST FOR A, A STRATEGIC PLAN TO MAYBE KIND OF HELP GUIDE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT WHEN WE DID OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING EARLIER, WE, UM, CLASSIFIED OR SAID PUBLIC SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS NUMBER TWO.
AND ACCORDING, LIKE WHAT CHRIS SAID, I THINK THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND I THINK THESE GUYS ARE DOING REMARKABLY WELL.
AND I CAN GET A BIG PAT ON THE BACK FOR WHAT YOU'VE BROUGHT SO FAR, AND I HAVE HIGH HOPES, AND I THINK WE NEED TO GET MORE MONEY AND I SEE WHO WE'RE COMPETING WITH, AND I THINK, I KNOW ADDISON'S SMALL AND, AND THE RATIO OF OUR LAND TO OUR POPULATION SO THAT WE CAN'T COMPETE.
BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO TAKE MONEY FROM SOME OTHER FUNDS WHERE WE CAN, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR CONSULTANTS.
WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD TALENT AND OUR STAFF, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE COULD DO SOME OUR TALENT, MAYBE NOT HIRE AS MANY CONSULTANTS AND GIVE THAT MONEY AND HELP THEM AND GROW THIS AREA.
I MEAN, WE, WE RANKED NUMBER TWO UNDER PUBLIC SEARCH.
I THINK WE NEED TO PUT MORE MONEY ON DEFINITELY AGREEING WITH NUMBER THREE, THAT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ANYWHERE ELSE WE FIND BEHALF.
THAT'S A GREAT POINT, GREAT POINT.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I I, I, I COULD SUPPORT OPTION THREE AS WELL.
WHEN, SO WE SEE WHAT THESE NUMBERS ARE AND WHEN BUDGET COMES, IT'S NOT GONNA BE OPTION THREE PLUS AN EXTRA GROWTH IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR EXTRA THIS OR THAT OR THE OTHER.
THIS INCLUDES THOSE EXTRA THINGS THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE FITTING IN,
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ADDING THESE, THIS AMOUNTS.ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT WAYNE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT? UH, THE ADDING THEY WOULD, YEAH.
WELL, WHEN YOU GET A PROPOSED BUDGET, WE'LL LAY OUT OKAY.
PRESENTED HERE IS JUST THEIR EXISTING BUDGET TAKEN FORWARD.
I HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION TO PUT OUR PROPOSED BUDGET.
SO WOULD YOU, WOULD THAT INCLUDE, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WOULD WANT TO ADD ANOTHER HEAD COUNT.
I KNOW YOU HAVE THE HALF VERSUS REALLY SHORT FIRST, I GUESS, BUT, UM, OR HALF PERSON.
BUT WOULD YOU BE ADDING MORE PEOPLE? SO I THINK WE, LET'S SAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? THANK YOU GUYS.
OKAY, SO JUST TRYING TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE TIMING HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO TRY TO GET STARTED AS CLOSE TO SEVEN O'CLOCK AS WE CAN FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING.
SO WE'RE JUST DOING SHUFFLING THE AGENDA.
[b. Present and discuss the Town's noise ordinance.]
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO ITEM SIX B AND SIX B IS PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE TOWN'S NOISE ORDINANCE.IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT KNOCKED OUT THE NEXT, IT SHOULD BE JUST TEN-ISH MINUTES OR SO.
AND THAT'S GOING BE NOW EVERYBODY'S ON THEIR TOES BACK.
UM, SO AT THE THE JUNETEENTH FOURTH MEETING, WE UH, BROUGHT FORWARD A WORK SESSION TO JUST FOR BRIEFLY REVIEW OUR EXISTING VOICE ORDINANCE AND BASED ON SOME PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK, UM, WE'LL BRING THIS BACK, UM, TO SHARE SOME OPTIONS AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL.
SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF REMINDERS.
OUR ING ORDINANCE IS LOCATED IN CHAPTER 34 OF OUR CODE ORDINANCES AND IDENTIFIES, UM, VARIOUS STANDARDS IN THAT CHAPTER 34, INCLUDING, UM, PROHIBITION OF LOUD NOISE, ABUSE, DISEASE EXCEPTIONS, ET CETERA.
UM, TWO ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE THE PRIMARY POINTS OF DISCUSSION AT THE JUNE 24TH MEETING INCLUDED THE NOISE EXCEPTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, OUR POWER LAWN EQUIPMENT OR OTHER POWER EQUIPMENT THAT WAS PRIMARILY, UH, UM, PERMIT TO BE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, UH, WHICH THAT IS PROHIBITED BETWEEN 11:00 PM AND 7:00 AM ON EIGHTH.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THOSE TWO ITEMS AS, UH, POINTS OF DISCUSSION STAFF DID PUT TOGETHER, UM, A CHART OF OUR COMPARATOR CITIES.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL, LIKE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
BUT SINCE THOSE WERE THE TWO ITEMS THAT WERE ASSESSED, WE PULLED, UM, THE LAWN MAINTENANCE HOURS AND CONSTRUCTION HOURS WERE PREPARED, OR CITIES.
UM, SO JUST WANT POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE REVERSE AND HOW OUR OR IS WRITTEN, OUR WITNESS IS KIND OF WRITTEN BACKWARDS, IS PROHIBITED BETWEEN 10:00 PM TO 7:00 AM AS AN EXAMPLE.
THIS IS WRITTEN AS IS ALLOWED.
FOR EXAMPLE,
SO, UM, JUST LOOKING AT OUR COMPARATOR CITIES, I WOULD SAY, UM, OUR 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM IS FAIRLY COMMON.
UM, BUT HOWEVER THAT IS GENERALLY THE, UM, OUTLIER IN TERMS OF THE, UH, MOST EXTENSIVE HOURS WHEN THESE VARIOUS ACTIVITIES ARE ALLOWED.
UM, A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS I WOULD ADD IS ADDISON, UH, JUAN MAINTENANCE, UH, WHICH IS ALLOWED UNTIL 11:00 PM IS KIND OF AN OUTLIER.
AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, ITEM IS GRAPEVINE ACTUALLY ALLOWS LAWN MAINTENANCE STARTING AT 6:00 AM ANY DAY.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO OUTLIERS AT THE, THE MOST EXTREME.
UM, AND THEN AS YOU MOVE THROUGH, THEY KIND OF, THEY GET NARROWER AND ERROR THROUGH THERE IN TERMS OF WHEN IS ALLOWED.
UM, YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT THERE IS VARIATION BETWEEN DAYS OR WEEK.
SEVERAL CITIES HAVE, UM, SET HOURS DURING WEEKDAYS, AND THEN THEY, THERE'S VARY HOURS ON THE WEEKENDS AND THE HALLWAYS.
SO THOSE ARE THE REST OUR LARGER CITIES.
UM, A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS JUST WANT TO POINT OUT BROADLY, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY, OBVIOUSLY, UM, THAT COULD AFFECT BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ACTIVITY THAT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOWN HAS, UM, LAWN CRUISE TO MAINTAIN OUR PUBLIC WAYS AND OUR PARKS, AND AS WELL AS WE HAVE VARIOUS CIP PROJECTS GOING IN ANY TIME.
SO THEY ALSO NEED TO ADHERE TO OUR CONSTRUCTION HOURS, UH, SO THAT COULD, THESE CHANGES COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY IMPACT THOSE ACTIVITIES.
UM, ALSO EXTREME WEATHER CONDITIONS.
WE ARE IN NORTH TEXAS, SO UH, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MONTHS OF POSSIBLE EXTREME HEAT AND THEN, AND OTHER, UM,
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POSSIBLE WEATHER CONDITIONS.SO IT IS BEST PRACTICE TO POUR CONCRETE, NOT ABOVE 85 DEGREES.
SO WE DO GET SOME REQUESTS FOR, UM, EXCEPTIONS TO GET CONCRETE POUR WHERE WE SEE THAT THE MOST OFTEN IS ACTUALLY THE AIRPORT WHERE THE POURING LARGE PRINTS.
SO, UM, ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS JUST EXCEPTIONS TO ILLINOIS ORDINANCE.
WE DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL, UM, PO APPROVAL POLICY THAT, THAT COMES TO COURT COUNCIL, FOR EXAMPLE.
MOST OF THOSE ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, AND WE REALLY FOCUS ON MAKING SURE THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE RECEIVE THE MOST EXCEPT EXCEPTIONS.
GRANTED IS AT THE AIRPORT WHERE FOR ENLARGED APRONS AND THERE'S NOT ANY RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES.
AND THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON ENFORCEMENT.
UM, SO FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE KIND OF SET HOURS.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OUR ITIES THAT IDENTIFY DAYTIME WITHIN THEIR HOURS THAT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE AND CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR OUR OFFICERS TO ENFORCE, UM, BUT IT CAN BE INCONSISTENTLY ENFORCED.
UM, SO STAFF PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF OPTIONS TO CONSIDER, UM, TO, UH, GENERATE SOME DISCUSSION.
SO THE FIRST IS MODIFIED HOURS FOR RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
AND THE, UM, SECOND OPTION IS MODIFIED HOURS FOR ALL PROPERTY.
SO THE FIRST OPTION, UM, WOULD MODIFY ALL CONSTRUCTION HOURS AND AS WELL AS LAWN THE USE OF LAWN MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT OR POWER EQUIPMENT, UM, FOR ANY PROPERTY WITHIN 300 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONE PROPERTY.
SO THIS MAP INDICATES THAT ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN SO ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE BLUE WOULD HAVE SHORTENED CONSTRUCTION HOURS OR POWER OR ABILITY TO, UM, USE POWER LAWN EQUIPMENT.
AND WE'RE ALSO SUGGESTING SUGGESTING LATER HOURS, UM, FOR START TIMES ON THE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN POTENTIALLY AS AN OPTION, THE REMAINING, UM, PROPERTY SHOWN IN PURPLE WOULD EITHER REMAIN AS IS OR WE COULD MODIFY THOSE.
FOR EXAMPLE, UM, POWERED LAWN EQUIPMENT COULD BE SEVEN TO 10 TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH D.
UM, AND THEN OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO, UH, MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT, UM, ABBREVIATED HOURS FOR ALL PROPERTY WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING, UM, MODIFIED HOURS FOR START TIME ON THE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, STAFF, UH, IS JUST ASKING FOR FEEDBACK.
WHAT YOU THINK OF SOME, SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS PRESENTED, IF YOU WOULD, UM, LIKE US TO EXPLORE FURTHER OR LIKE EITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS.
ALRIGHT, FOR THOSE QUESTIONS, MARTIN, I, I'VE GOT A THOUGHT WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
UM, SEVERAL YEARS BACK, UH, CITY COUNCIL CREATED A ORDINANCE.
UH, BASICALLY IT WAS, IT WAS REVOLVING AROUND, UH, TRUCK, LIKE BOX TRUCK PARKING AND SO FORTH.
AND, AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE GOT INTO WAS, IT WAS SO COMPLICATED OUR, OUR POLICE OFFICERS WERE STRUGGLING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS TRUCK LEGALLY OR NOT LEGALLY PARKED SO FORTH? I THINK WE JUST MADE IT TOO COMPLICATED FOR, TO ENFORCE CORRECTLY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.
SO MY HOPE IS THAT, THAT WE WILL CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS SIMPLE, UM, AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND IMPLEMENT.
HOW WAS, I INITIALLY WAS LOOKING AT LEWISVILLE WHERE THEY SAID NIGHTTIME PROHIBITED, UH, AND THEN THEY GOT SOMETHING AND THEN IT CHANGES.
AND I JUST THOUGHT IF WE JUST MAKE SOMETHING, UM, SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA MAKE OUR LIVES A LOT EASIER GOING DOWN THE ROAD.
SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE OVERARCHING, UH, THOUGHTS I HAD.
AND, UM, WHEN I STARTED TO THINK LIKE THAT, I STARTED TO LOOK AT, UH, AT CAPEL WHERE BASICALLY, UM, WHETHER IT'S LAWN MAINTENANCE OR CONSTRUCTION, IT IS THE, IT'S THE, IT'S THE SAME.
UM, MONDAY THROUGH MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM SATURDAY, SUNDAY, AND HOLIDAYS, IT IS 9:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UM, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT.
AND I LIKE THE, UM, THE SIMPLICITY OF IT.
AND IF SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, YOU KIND LIKE A PERMIT GETTING SOME TYPE OF PERMIT OR SPECIAL WORK.
UM, WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT IN THE PAST WITH VILLE SCHOOL AND LESLIE WILL, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT BIG PROJECTS MM-HMM
AND THEY NEED TO, YOU GET THE CEMENT WORK DONE BEFORE IT GETS TOO HOT.
AND SO ME AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE OA LESLIE WILL REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, THEY'RE WANTING A PERMIT TO DO THIS, START THIS WORK AT WHATEVER, 5:30 AM MM-HMM
WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO OUR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE AFFECTED AREA.
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DOES THIS WORK? DOES IT NOT WORK? WHAT WORKS? AND WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND WE GET THE PROJECT DONE WHERE EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT.SO THERE'S GONNA BE SPECIAL PERMIT SITUATIONS WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT MAY BE APPROVED, THAT MAY NOT BE APPROVED.
BUT, UM, I, I LIKE PROPEL AND I LIKE IT FOR THIS, UH, NUMBER ONE ON SEVEN SLIDE, SEVEN MODIFIED HOURS FOR RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
THIS ITEM AGENDA, I'LL JUMP IN AND JUST SAY, THE REASON THAT I WANTED TO BRING THIS WORK WAS FOR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND I HAD HOPED AND WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT BUILDING A SWIMMING POOL IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDED BY HOMES WOULD'VE BEEN HANDLED THROUGH A PERMANENT PROCESS.
BUT THEY READ THIS AND THEY FIGURED THEY CAN WORK TILL 10 O'CLOCK AND THEY'RE OUT THERE JACK HAMMERING TILL 10 O'CLOCK.
SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, I'VE HAD ANOTHER RESIDENT COME TO ME ABOUT A POWER WASHER.
THEY'RE OUT THERE AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, POWER WASHING THEIR DRIVEWAY.
SO I SUPPOSE IT'S NOT ONLY CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE THAT ARE BOTHERED, BUT IF, IF A NEIGHBOR IS OUT POWER WASHING THEIR DRIVEWAY AT 11 O'CLOCK NIGHT, THAT'S AN ISSUE.
SO I'M FAR MORE CONCERNED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND PEACE AND TRANQUILITY IN YOUR LIVING ROOM AT DINNERTIME OR, OR AT BEDTIME, BASICALLY, THAN I AM IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA OF TOWN, AND THEY NEED TO POUR CONCRETE AT FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING.
IF WE CAN'T HEAR THAT WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, WHO CARES? MM-HMM
UH, I'M SIMPLY HERE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND I REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT THIS WOULD'VE TAKEN TWO, TWO WORK SESSIONS TO GO THROUGH.
UH, I, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ALL A PROCESS.
UH, BUT UNLIKE MARLIN, IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO WORK, WE CONCENTRATE ON RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WORK ON A PERMITTING PROCESS WITH, WITH HEAVY CONSTRUCTION, BASICALLY.
I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY OF MAJOR PROJECTS THAT NEED TO DO THINGS, BUT I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY WOKE UP AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
RANDY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT, UM, THE LAWN, THE LANDSCAPE SERVICES? UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ONE AND Y'ALL PROBABLY DO, RIGHT? UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY LIKE TO GET STARTED EARLY, ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR WHEN IT GETS HOT SO FAST.
UM, WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING'S.
UH, SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 7, 7 30 TIMEFRAME I'M GOOD WITH.
UH, 'CAUSE WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT'S HOT.
UH, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE AREA LIKE SOME TOWNS ARE DOING WHERE THEY'RE MAKING THEM USE ELECTRIC LAWN MOWER.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT, AND I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET INTO DECIMAL LEVELS BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR OFFICERS GOING BACK TO YOU.
IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
UH, I JUST WANT A COMMON SENSE APPROACH THAT MAKES EVERYBODY SAY, HMM, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE POWER WASHED IN AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, BECAUSE THAT MAY BE BOTHERING MY LEG EQUIPMENT.
AND IF AN OFFICER JUST COMES AND REMINDS EM OF THAT, THAT'S ALL I WANT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO COME IN WITH A HEAD OF HAND, BUT I WANT, I WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE PEACE.
SO YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU, WHAT, WHAT GETS THAT? AND I'M, I'M LIKE, NUMBER ONE, WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
LET THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TAKE PLACE AND GET THIS STUFF DONE.
IT SEEMS I THE REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION IN IT SEEMS LIKE BOTH E EACH OF YOU SAID OPTION ONE.
ALTHOUGH I THINK, MARLON, YOU WERE SAYING IF YOU GO TO ELLE, MAYBE A LITTLE EARLIER THAN NINE, SO MAYBE IF WE COULD GET DOWN TO THE HOURS, THAT MIGHT HELP.
I'M CLEARLY SAYING EXACTLY WHAT ELLS DOING.
I MEAN, WHAT NUMBER SEVEN? SO A FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL WITH A, WITH A NUMBER ONE.
THIS IS IN, OKAY, SO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SEVEN TO 7:00 AM 7:00 PM BUT THEN ON THE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS IT'S 9:00 AM AND 7:00 PM SEE, I'M ALMOST THINKING 7:00 PM MIGHT BE A LITTLE EARLIER.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, AND, AND 9:00 AM IS TOO LATE.
I, YEAH, I COULD, I COULD COMPROMISE AT 8:00 PM BUT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU GET HOME FROM WORK, YOU GET HOME AT FIVE O'CLOCK, STILL A HUNDRED DEGREES AT SIX 30.
SO I'M, I'M KIND OF TALKING ABOUT MY, YOU KNOW, TO 8:00 PM I THINK YOU MADE SOME GREAT POINTS.
I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR INPUT EIGHT.
I CAN GO NINE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY COMPROMISE EIGHT.
I LIKE, I, I LIKE, I LIKE THE NINE.
IT SAYS SUMMERTIME, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL, NINE O'CLOCK IS STILL, IT'S STILL A HUNDRED DEGREES AT 8, 8 30, 9
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O'CLOCK.I LIKE 8:00 PM AND I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS AN HOA GARDENER AND THEY CAN BE THERE ALMOST TILL 10:00 PM IT'S THE WILDEST THING.
THEY'RE SO INCONSISTENT ON THE DAYS THEY COME.
AND I'VE TALKED TO RHA PRESIDENT AND IT IS JUST A BATTLE.
IT IS LITERALLY A PUSH AND PULL.
WE, WE TRY, WE, WE, WE, WE ASKED THEM, WE BEGGED THAT WE BELIEVE WITH THEM, BUT IT IS THE CRAZIEST THING.
SO IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT.
I HONESTLY SEE 8:00 PM BECAUSE THEY'LL GO TO 9:00 PM YOU TELL 9:00 PM THEY'LL GO TO 10:00 PM THERE WAS A BUFFER THERE.
SO I LIKE CUTTING IT OFF AT EIGHT.
I DO LIKE THE COP OUT AND I LIKE NUMBER ONE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.
WHAT'S THE INTERPRETATION OF DARK THEN? 9, 9 30.
SO I WILL SAY LOUISVILLE DOES VARY BY SEASON.
SO THAT MIGHT GET A LITTLE COMPLICATED, BUT IT WOULD HELP WITH THE, YOU COULD SET A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, THIS MONTH TO THIS MONTH, YOU COULD ADD AN HOUR FOR ADDITIONAL.
I JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER.
I DON'T WANNA MAKE THAT, TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
I THINK THAT NOBODY'S GONNA GET COMPLIC LOAD LONG BOARD.
EIGHT 15 AT NIGHT, SEVEN DAYS.
LET'S TRY TO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COMMON SENSE, AND I DON'T WANT AN OFFICER OUT THERE AT FIVE MINUTES AFTER CUT OFF TIME, BUT I DO WANT TO HELP RESIDENTS THAT ARE SAYING, WHAT YOU DOING OUT HERE? SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS.
I NEVER EXPECTED THIS MUCH EFFORT GONNA TO BE PUT INTO WELL, THE ONLY, YEAH, THE ONLY THING I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE THAT HAVE LAWN SERVICES, IS THAT, UH, IS THAT GONNA BE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR LAWN SERVICE OR THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, I CAN'T DO YOU ANYMORE.
YOU'RE GONNA FIND SOMEBODY ELSE.
BECAUSE I WORK AT, I, I WORK FROM EIGHT TILL 9:00 PM SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WHAT'S THE FINAL HOURS RIGHT NOW? HOPEFULLY 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM HOPEFULLY.
SO ON THE NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS, 9:00 AM TO 8:00 PM SAME HOTEL.
THAT'S THINK IF YOU PUSH NINE TO GO TO 10.
WELL, I, YOU SAY NO UNTIL I THINK I THINK 9:00 AM IS TOO LATE.
IF YOU TELL STAY TILL 10, I THINK 7:00 AM ANY DAY IS FINE.
CAN CERTAINLY GO THERE ON WEEKENDS.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE IT GO LATER.
THAT'S WHEN, THAT'S WHEN THE HOMEOWNERS ARE GETTING UP BEFORE HE GETS HOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HOMEOWNERS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ON THE WEEKENDS.
I MAY BE HOLDING DOWN THE ROOM AS CLOSE YARD IF I HAD, IF I DON'T HAVE, WHAT ARE WE BACK IN THE FINAL AGAIN? I CURRENTLY HAVE WEEKDAY 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND, UH, WEEKENDS, HOLIDAYS, UH, QUESTION MARK.
IT'S AT 8:00 PM I THINK BY, WE'VE HEARD SEVEN.
HOW ABOUT WE COMPROMISE AND GO WITH EIGHT ON THE WEEKENDS? I LIKE TO, ONE OF THE THINGS I SEEN, I'VE SEEN CONSTRUCTION BE MORE THE PROBLEM.
AND IF YOU CONSTRUCTION IS MORE HARD AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THAT'S WHENEVER WE'RE DOING THAT ON LARGER PROJECTS, YOU HAVE MORE CONSIDERATION TO CHANGE THAT.
I KNOW YOU DID THAT ON, WE DID THAT ON THREE HOUSES, YES.
EXCEPTIONS ARE, I THINK THAT COVERS IT.
MICRO TERMS AND WE'RE JUST TALKING RESIDENTIAL AREAS, RIGHT? UH, YES.
ANYTHING WITHIN 300 FEET OR SOMETHING.
SO IS THAT, SO THE OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF 300 FEET, THEY WILL REMAIN AS IS TODAY? YEAH.
I, IS THERE NOT PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS? BUILDINGS FROM THE POOL? IS THERE, THERE ON THAT? YEAH.
I'LL QUICKLY TOUCH ON ENFORCEMENT.
SO THERE IS A PERMIT PROCESS AND WE DO SHARE, UM, BOTH CIVIL AS WELL AS OUR, THROUGH OUR BUILDING SAFETY DEPARTMENT.
WE DO SHARE CONSTRUCTION HOURS.
HOWEVER, UM, SOMETIMES IT'LL FALL IN PAPER.
I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE A TIMEFRAME.
IT'S 7:05 PM WE, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL FINISH UP THE OTHER TWO ITEMS AFTER OUR REGULAR MEETING AND, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A RECESS FOR EIGHT AND A HALF MINUTES UNTIL WE GO INTO THE OTHER ROOM.
SO, WE'LL, 10 MINUTES, SEVEN 15, WE'LL UP IN ROOM, CONVENE INTO, UH, REGULAR SESSION.
AND, UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.
AND AS ALWAYS, WE'D LIKE TO START OUR MEETINGS WITH PLEDGE TO BOTH OF OUR FLAGS.
IF YOU PLEASE RISE PGI, SEE THE FLAG ON THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY.
I JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
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ONE INDIVISIBLE.[a. City Manager's Announcements]
MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.UH, TWO, A CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCEMENTS AND TWO B'S EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION.
WE HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST ONE IS ONE THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO EVERY YEAR.
EACH YEAR, RESIDENTS LEARN ABOUT TOWN OPERATIONS THROUGH THE ADDISON CITIZENS CITIZENS ACADEMY.
WITH BEHIND THE SCENES TOURS AND INSIGHTFUL PRESENTATIONS FROM TOWN LEADERS, STUDENTS GET AN UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL LOOK AT THE INNER WORKINGS THAT MAKE ADDISON SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.
APPLICATIONS FOR THE FALL CITIZENS ACADEMY CLASS ARE NOW AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE@ADDISONTX.GOV SLASH CITIZENS ACADEMY.
NEXT, ARE YOU READY TO HELP ONE OF ADDISON'S ADOPTABLE ANIMALS FIND THEIR FOREVER HOME? STOP BY LAZY DOG AND VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 30TH, FROM THREE TO 5:00 PM FOR OUR NEXT PET ADOPTION DAY.
AND FINALLY, ADDISON'S NEXT SINGER SONGWRITER SHOWCASE IS ON THURSDAY, JULY 31ST FROM SEVEN TO 9:00 PM AND ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.
THIS FREE EVENT HIGHLIGHTS TALENTED SINGER SONGWRITERS PERFORMING THEIR ORIGINAL MUSIC IN AN INTIMATE ACOUSTIC SETTING.
[b. Employee Recognition]
CAN MOVE ON TO INTRODUCTION.AND WE ARE, UH, JANA WILL INTRODUCE ONE OF OUR NEWEST EMPLOYEES, OUR, PROBABLY OUR NEWEST EMPLOYEE IN TOWN,
JANET TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC.
I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE AMBER DAVIS, WHO JOINED THE TOWN OF ADDISON AS PARKS PROJECT MANAGER RECENTLY ON JULY 7TH.
UM, AMBER WAS BORN AND RAISED IN TEXAS.
SHE GREW UP IN MCALLEN, UM, WHERE SHE ATTENDED MCALLEN HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN SHE WENT ON TO GRADUATE FROM TEXAS A AND M WITH A BACHELOR OF ARTS IN HORTICULTURE.
AND THEN SHE LATER EARNED HER MASTER OF LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS IN ARLINGTON.
UM, BEFORE JOINING ADDISON, AMBER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE ON SEVERAL PROJECTS WITH THE TOWN, WORKING AS A CONSULTANT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
UM, THIS INCLUDES THE BELTLINE MASTER PLAN.
THE BLUE PLANTERS ON BELTLINE ARE ED AMBER'S GIFT TO ADDISON, AND I KNOW SHE'LL CONTINUE TO ADD MORE CREATIVITY TO OUR TOWN.
UM, DURING THAT TIME, SHE WAS CONSISTENTLY IMPRESSED BY ADDISON'S STRONG BRAND IDENTITY, DEDICATION TO QUALITY, AND THE EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE PROVIDED TO RESIDENTS.
AND SO WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR A POSITION HERE AT ROCHE, SHE KNEW IT WAS ONE SHE GEN GENUINELY WANTED TO PURSUE.
EARLIER THIS YEAR, AMBER WAS HONORED WITH A PROMOTION AS ASSOCIATE AT HER PREVIOUS FIRM.
AND IT'S A MEANINGFUL MILESTONE TO HER THAT REFLECTS HER DEDICATION AND PROFESSIONAL GROWTH.
AND WHILE SHE ULTIMATELY DECIDED TO EMBRACE A NEW OPPORTUNITY, SHE'S VERY PROUD OF THAT ACHIEVEMENT.
UM, SOME FACTS THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT AMBER, AND WE NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR HER ON APRIL FOOL'S DAY IS THAT SHE'S EXTREMELY DOUBLE JOINTED AND SHE HAS BEEN KNOWN TO TRICK PEOPLE INTO THINKING HER FINGERS WERE BROKEN.
SO WE'RE ALL GONNA BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THAT.
UM, SHE ALSO HAS ROOTS FOR, OR SHE ROOTS FOR THE TEXAS RANGERS, AND, UM, SHE'S MARRIED TO HER HUSBAND JARED, AND THEY TOGETHER HAVE TWO CHILDREN, ADELINE, WHO'S 11, AND LANDON, WHO'S EIGHT.
UM, AND WHEN WE ASKED AMBER WHAT THE ADDISON WAY MEANS TO HER, SHE SHARED THAT IT REPRESENTS A COMMITMENT TO SERVICE, EXCELLENCE AND COMMUNITY.
AND SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING HER TO PART OF OUR TEAM.
GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON TEAM MADISON.
[3. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.]
MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES.
AND, UM, AT THIS POINT WE HAVE, UH, I HAVE TWO WERE REQUESTED ONLINE AND WE'LL DO THOSE FIRST.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CARDS ALSO IN MY POSSESSION.
THERE WERE ALSO THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GIVEN ONLINE.
AND, UH, AND OUR PROTOCOL WITH THAT IS THOSE WILL THESE, WE, WE'VE GOT THOSE THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THOSE WILL BE ADDED TO THE MEETING MINUTES FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO REFERENCE THOSE AT A LATER TIME.
SO WE WILL CALL FIRST ON TYLER WRIGHT, AND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT 15,000 702 5 ARTIST WAY.
AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT'S DART RESOLUTION BEING CONSIDERED.
I LIVE IN THE CIRCLE AND I RIDE DART.
THE DECISION TO MOVE THE BUSES OFF OF QUORUM WITHOUT PROPER PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES ON ADDISON ROAD HURTS MY QUALITY OF LIFE.
IT PUTS ME AND MY FELLOW RIDERS IN DANGER.
THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTAND WHERE MY NEIGHBORS LONG QUORUM ARE COMING FROM.
MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH THEM HAVING CONCERNS
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ABOUT THE NOISE OR REALLY EVEN BEING OUTVOTED.MY REAL PROBLEM IS DESPITE THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN A MULTI-YEAR RESIDENT AND A CURRENT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER, I DID NOT RECEIVE A COPY OF ONE OF THE SURVEYS BEING USED TO JUSTIFY THIS DECISION UNTIL MAY 15TH AFTER I CALLED, UH, CALLED IT OUT TO COUNCILMAN FREED ON THE COUNCIL EMAIL.
PHYLLIS SILVER, MY NEIGHBOR HAS SERVED HERE FOR DECADES AND LIVED HERE FOR DECADES AS WELL.
DID SHE GET A, DID SHE GET A SURVEY? DID BANK OF AMERICA, ONE OF OUR THREE LARGEST EMPLOYERS, GET A SURVEY TO DISTRIBUTE TO THEIR DART COMMUTERS THAT I SEE ALL THE TIME? DID BENT TREE ON NORTH QUORUM, WHICH IS STILL PART OF ADDISON BY THE WAY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THEM AS WELL.
UH, WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM? DID THEY GET A SURVEY? UM, ALSO IS THIS PETITION I KEEP HEARING ABOUT FROM THE RESIDENTS GONNA BE PUT INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.
I HAVE TO PUT MY NAME AND ADDRESS ON THE DOCKET EVERY TIME I SPEAK UP.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONSISTENCY THERE.
ADDITIONALLY, MY READINGS OF THE EXHIBITS ADDED IN THE, UH, RESOLUTION SEEMED TO INDICATE THIS DECISION HAS BEEN FORCED UPON THE COUNCIL BY THE ACTIONS OF ONE OR TWO MEMBERS WHO GATHERED A LEGITIMATE BUT INCOMPLETE SET OF RESIDENT FEEDBACK AND HAVE USED IT TO MAKE DECISIONS AFFECTING THOUSANDS OF COMMUTERS WITHOUT HAVING CONSULTED ALL OF THEM.
NEVERMIND THE EXTREMELY RUDE COMMUNICATIONS SENT BY COUNCILMAN FREE TO DART STAFF AND, UH, OTHER PUBLIC OFFICIALS THAT REFLECTS POORLY ON ALL OF US.
THE BUSES BEING MOVED OFF OF QUORUM HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS RE RESOLUTION IS HELPFUL OR NECESSARY.
AND I LEAVE YOU ALL TONIGHT WITH MY GREATEST CONCERN IN ALL OF THIS.
MY NEIGHBOR, PHYLLIS, WILL NOW HAVE TO WALK ACROSS ADDISON ROAD TO GET HOME.
ADDISON ROAD DOESN'T HAVE ANY CROSSWALKS, MANY CROSSWALKS, OR EVEN COMPLETE SIDEWALK COVERAGE.
SHE WILL HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN WALKING ACROSS A BUSY, BUSY STREET UNPROTECTED OR WALK A MILE OR SO OUT OF HER WAY IN THE HEAT OR BITTER COLD TO USE A CROSSWALK AT THE STOPLIGHTS ROBUST AS SHE IS.
SHE'S NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER, THIS WILL ONLY GET MORE DIFFICULT FOR HER AFTER TWO DECADES OF SERVICE TO THIS TOWN.
THIS IS HOW SHE IS REWARDED BY COUNCILMAN FREE'S LEADERSHIP AND SHE WASN'T EVEN ASKED.
HELLO, MY NAME IS JAY LANG HURST.
UH, I LIVE AT 67 0 8 LOVINGTON DRIVE IN DALLAS.
UM, AND I WANT TO TALK ALSO ABOUT THE, UH, CHANGE IN, IN THE DART, UH, ROUTE.
I'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED THAT CHANGE BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THE 2 36 RIDER, UH, AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN MOVED, I GUESS FOR SILVER LINE, UH, VISIBILITY AND, AND ROUTING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND ALL THAT MUCH.
UM, BUT I DO THINK OF ADDISON IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THIS MAYBE HAS BEEN APPROACHED.
I THINK OF ADDISON AS LIKE THE SINGAPORE OF DFW, RIGHT? SO SINGAPORE IS A VERY SMALL CITY STATE, RIGHT THERE, THERE NICKNAME IS THE LITTLE RED DOT.
AND THEY WERE GIVEN THIS NICKNAME BY INDONESIA, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST A SMALL LITTLE PLACE AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THE, THE LAND OR THE MILITARY OR OTHER RESOURCES TO COMPETE AGAINST THEIR LARGER NEIGHBORS IN A VERY COMPETITIVE, UH, ASIAN REGION.
BUT THEY'VE EMBRACED THIS MINDSET, RIGHT? THEY, THEY KNOW THAT THEIR, THEIR SIZE IS ONLY 300 SQUARE METER, SQUARE SQUARE MILES.
IT'S SMALLER THAN DALLAS, RIGHT? BUT THEY FOUND OTHER WAYS TO COMPETE, AND THEY HAVE FOUND OTHER WAYS TO COMPETE.
THEY HAVE A, AN AMAZING GDP OF HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS.
THEY HAVE FIFTH LARGEST POPULATION OF MILLIONAIRES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY ALSO HAVE A WORLD CLASS TRANSIT SYSTEM, A TWO TO SIX MINUTE FREQUENCY.
BUT I THINK THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE TAKEN A LOT OF FORETHOUGHT AND THEY'VE MADE THEIR POSITION CLEAR, THEY'VE MADE THEIR STRATEGY BETTER THAN THEIR NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT I SEE THAT FORETHOUGHT IN ADDISON.
YOU KNOW, AS I PASS THROUGH, AS I AS I VISIT BUSINESSES, I SEE A RICH QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, A LOT OF CULTURAL AND DINING OPTIONS, THE SILVER LINE AND A LOT OF GOOD PLANNING AROUND THAT.
WHERE I DON'T SEE THAT IS IN THIS CHANGE TO PUT THE 2 35 AND THE 2 39 ALONG THE EDGE OF A PRIVATE AIRPORT, RIGHT? UH, THESE CHANGES WERE MADE BY JARRET AND JARED WALKER ASSOCIATES.
AND IT WAS A GOOD CHANGE TO PUT THE BUS DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF ADDISON SO THAT PEOPLE COULD ACCESS IT.
IT DOESN'T SERVE ONLY 210 BOARDINGS A WEEK AS, UH, I THINK HAS BEEN DISCUSSED A LOT, OR ONE TO THREE RIDER.
UH, THOSE ARE BOARDINGS THERE, BUT IT SERVES MORE THAN 2,500 WRITERS PER WEEK WHO RIDE THROUGH, WHO SEE AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN ADDISON WHO ARE INVITED TO GO TO THOSE BUSINESSES, WHO ARE INVITED TO, YOU KNOW, SEE EXACTLY THIS QUALITY OF LIFE AND THIS BENEFIT THAT ADDISON HAS FOR EVERYONE.
SO I, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA SEE THAT AS MUCH AS A 2 36 WRITER BECAUSE IT GOES JUST ALONG DIRECTLY TO ADDISON TRANSIT CIRCLE.
BUT I, I THINK THAT THE TREATMENT OF DART STAFF WAS PRETTY NEGATIVE.
UH, AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU USE THE CAPABILITIES TO GET IN TOUCH WITH RIDERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE ALTERNATE ROUTE WHO MAYBE ARE ALSO GONNA HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS.
LOOKING AT US CENSUS MAPS AND THE HOUSING UNITS ALONG THIS NEW ROUTE.
I DO SEE THAT THERE'S 13% MORE HOUSING UNITS ALONG THE NEW ROUTE THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED.
SO ARE YOU ONLY SPREADING THE NOISE COMPLAINTS TO ANOTHER LOCATION OR HAVE YOU ENGAGED THOSE CITIZENS AS WELL TO TALK TO THEM? UM,
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SO I DO THINK THAT THE, THE NOISE COMPLAINTS AND NOISE CONCERNS OR GOOD THINGS TO BRING TO DART, I THINK THAT THE PURCHASE OF NEW BUSES IS GONNA HELP WITH THAT.UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST A MORE SYSTEMATIC ENGAGEMENT WITH RESIDENTS WITH HOTELS ALONG THAT SPOT WITH DART RIDERS THROUGH THE GO PASS APP, THROUGH ALERTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK YOU MIGHT COME TO A BETTER CONCLUSION.
ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE PATRICK MORGAN.
MY NAME IS PATRICK MORGAN AND I LIVE AT 14 5 0 1 MONTFORT IN DALLAS, BUT I'M SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
SO, UH, I'M SPEAKING ON THE, UH, DART BUS ROUTE MOVES.
UM, I THINK ONE, ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT'S BEEN MADE IS THAT THE BUSES WERE ON ADDISON ROAD FOR 20 YEARS, AND WHY CAN'T WE JUST MOVE THEM BACK? WELL, JUST BECAUSE WE DID SOMETHING FOR A LONG TIME DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GO BACK TO DOING THAT.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE USED LEADED GASOLINE FOR 60 YEARS AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD THINK, THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GO BACK TO DOING THAT.
UM, ALSO, QUORUM ROAD IS JUST A MUCH SAFER AND MUCH MORE PLEASANT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, JUST GET OUT OF YOUR CAR AND GO WALK THE TWO ROADS.
UM, FURTHERMORE, I WAS LISTENING TO YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOP EARLIER AND YOUR STAFF SAID THAT THE MARKET IS REALLY VALUING MIXED USE WALKABLE AREAS.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE THROUGH THE DENSEST, MOST WALKABLE, MOST MIXED USE PART OF ADDISON.
UH, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK YOUR STAFF IF THEY THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
HELLO DAVID SNELL LIVE AT 1 1 7 1 7 LAKEFRONT DRIVE IN FRISCO.
AND UH, THIS IS MY THIRD MEETING IN A NUMBER OF MONTHS.
AS ALL OF YOU ON COUNCIL KNOW, THERE WAS AN FA INVESTIGATION, WHICH WAS NEVER MY INTENTION ABOUT THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED FROM ATLANTIC WHERE I WILL STAND BEFORE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AND SAY THAT THEIR ATTORNEY AND THEIR AREA DIRECTOR BOTH HAVE FLAT OUT LIED REGARDING A NUMBER OF THINGS.
AND REGARDLESS OF HOW THIS INVESTIGATION TURNED OUT, I WASN'T REAL HAPPY THAT MY OPEN RECORDS REQUEST WENT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS.
AND AFTER WAITING THREE DIFFERENT TIMES FOR THE CITY TO GET THEIR ANSWERS IN, I WASN'T PROVIDED THE CHANCE TO EVEN READ ONE WORD THAT WAS BEING TURNED IN.
I DIDN'T MIND MEETING WITH NICOLE FIRST 'CAUSE I HAD NOTHING TO HIDE.
BUT AS SHE SAID, IT WAS VERY UNFAIR TO THE CITY.
AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, THAT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PUT ON THE SPOT FOR THINGS THAT ATLANTIC, SOME OF THE THINGS THEY LIED ABOUT, LIKE SAYING THEY WERE DEMOLISHING A HANGAR TOO AND THAT IT WAS SET FOR DEMOLITION.
AND SOME OF THE PAPERWORK I PROVIDED FOR YOU LIST ALL THE REASONS THAT AL ARCHULETA GAVE TO US FOR, UH, QUOTE, TRYING TO TERMINATE OUR LEASE.
AND I PUT MY COUNTERING ANSWERS.
AND THEN MR. KRUMS, THE ATTORNEY FOR ATLANTIC, I'D LIKE TO GIVE HIM A CREATIVE WRITING, UH, AWARD BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT WERE SPUN IN HIS FIVE PAGE RESPONSE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO READ UP FRONT.
BUT YEARS AGO IN 92, MILLIONAIRE, UH, OFFERED SOME DISCRIMINATORY PRICING AND I WENT TO COUNCIL, AND COUNCIL HELD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND ASKED THEM TO COME IN FOR A MEETING PER MY REQUEST.
AND I'VE MADE MULTIPLE REQUESTS TO THE CITY THROUGH MR. DYER TO HAVE ATLANTIC HAVE A SIT DOWN MEETING.
AND REGARDLESS OF HOW THIS TURNED OUT, AND I'M GLAD IT DIDN'T END UP COSTING FUNDING MONEY FOR THE CITY BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T, BUT WE FOUND ANOTHER COMPANY THAT WAS BASED AT ATLANTIC CALLED GTA AVIATION THIS PAST WEEK.
BEN GUNDERMAN IS THE PRESIDENT.
THEY WERE AT ATLANTIC AND THEY GOT TOLD SOME OF THE SAME EXCUSES.
THEY LEFT IN DECEMBER 22, TOLD THAT THEY WERE GONNA DEMOLISH THIS HANGAR TOO.
AND ATLANTIC KEEPS GETTING AWAY WITH OFFERING LIES.
AND ALL WE DID WAS PAY OUR BILL 200 GRAND TO THEM.
OVER SEVEN YEARS WE'RE MOVING TO UH, MCKINNEY.
ONE OF MY PLANES IS THERE BECAUSE THE T HANGER OFFER THAT WAS GIVEN TO US, I DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL SIX WEEKS LATER WHEN WE COMMITTED BEFORE APRIL 1ST THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL OR BE LABELED AS A SPECIAL OPERATOR AND HAVE A LEASE SPACE.
SO THAT SET ME WAY BACK ABOUT BEING ABLE TO FIND A PLACE.
SO THE OFFER FOR THE TEE HANGERS WAS AS GOOD AS ME OFFERING YOU GUYS A NEW SWIMMING POOL.
BUT GUESS WHAT? THERE'S NO WATER TO PUT IN IT.
SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET SPACE OUT HERE AT ADDISON AND WE HAD NO ADDITIONAL SPACE.
SO I'VE MOVED ONE AIRPLANE OVER TO MCKINNEY, THE OTHER ONE WILL GO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, ATLANTIC LET US RIDE OUT OUR LEASE 'CAUSE THEY KNEW IT WAS WRONG, THEY
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TERMINATED.BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO REQUEST COUNSEL SOME OF THE MEMBERS, MR. GARDNER, HE KNOWS AVIATION VERY WELL.
I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE TWO OR THREE MEMBERS THAT WOULD HAVE A MEETING WITH DEW RUMS, THEIR ATTORNEY, AL ARCH AND MYSELF, AND A ONE HOUR MEETING.
AND YOU WON'T HEAR BACK FROM ME TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS FACE TO FACE.
THEY WON'T LET ME SPEAK FACE TO FACE.
I HAVE TRIED AND THEY BLEW ME OFF.
NONE OF THIS DEAL THAT WENT DOWN HAD TO GO DOWN AND I'M SORRY 'CAUSE I KNOW IT COSTS THOUSANDS IN LEGAL FEES AND IT DID NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT REQUEST AND I DON'T KNOW HOW AND WHEN I'VE MADE IT BEFORE, NOT TO COUNSEL, BUT TO PASSION.
I'VE MENTIONED IT TO MR. DYER, I'VE MENTIONED IT AND RESPECTING THE TIME.
IF YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER IT A MEETING WITH ATLANTIC FACE-TO-FACE AND THEN WON'T HEAR BACK FROM ME.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS WHERE ALL THE, UH, COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARDS THAT I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL
[4. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSENT AGENDA.
CONSENT TONIGHT, UH, INCLUDES ITEM FOUR A THROUGH FOUR H.
IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOUR A THROUGH FOUR H.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[a. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) for property located at 3939 Belt Line Road, Suite 540 and 550, that is currently zoned Planned Development (PD), through Ordinance No. 085-020, to allow an educational institution. Case 1935-SUP/3939 Belt Line Road, Suite 540 and 550 (Graduate America).]
UH, ITEM FIVE A, UH, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SUP FOR PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 39 39 BELTLINE ROAD, SUITE FIVE 40 AND FIVE 50.THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD THROUGH ORDINANCE NUMBER 0 8 5 DASH TWO TO ALLOW AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION CASE, 1935 DASH U SLASH 39 39 BELTLINE ROAD, SUITE FIVE 40 AND FIVE 50 GRADUATE AMERICA.
LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
UM, THIS REQUEST, UH, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, UM, GRADUATE AMERICA.
IT IS A, UM, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION AND WE DO REQUIRE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR ALL EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ESTABLISHMENT GRADUATE AMERICA SERVES SIMILAR TO A VOCATIONAL SCHOOL.
UM, AND SO IS GONE THROUGH THIS APPROVAL PROCESS.
UM, GRADUATE AMERICA'S PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED IN AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING AT 39 39 BELTLINE ROAD.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO OCCUPY TWO SUITES, FIVE 40 AND UH, FIVE 50.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE WAS, UH, REASONABLE FROM INDUSTRIAL TO THE EXISTING PD IN 1985.
UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY A MUCH LARGER, UM, MULTI-BUILDING OFFICE COMPLEX.
HOWEVER, ONLY THE FIRST PHASE GOT DEVELOPED.
SO THE VACANT PROPERTY BEHIND IT WAS FUTURE PHASES.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THIS, THIS IS THE PRIMARY OFFICE BUILDING THAT EXISTS TODAY AS WELL AS THE PARKING GARAGE.
THIS ADDITIONAL OFFICE BUILDING, UH, DID NOT GET EVER GET CONSTRUCTED.
IT HAS NOT GOTTEN CONSTRUCTED, UM, TO THIS POINT.
UM, AND THEN BEFORE THIS EVENING IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR GRADUATE AMERICA.
UH, SO, UH, WITHIN THESE PROPOSED SUITES, IT WOULD OCCUPY, UH, JUST OVER 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO OFFER A VARIETY OF TRAINING, UM, TO OBTAIN CERTIFICATES THROUGH, UH, VOCATIONAL NURSING, ALLIED HEALTH IT SUPPORT AND CYBERSECURITY.
UM, UH, LIKE BEAUTICIAN AND BARBERING AND BUSINESS AND ENTREPRENEUR ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
UM, THEIR PROPOSED CLASS SIZES WOULD BE 25, UM, INDIVIDUALS IN PERSON.
THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO OFFER SOME, UM, VIRTUAL, UM, COURSES AS WELL.
THEY WILL HAVE, UM, DAY CLASSES AS WELL AS NIGHT CLASSES.
UM, THE FACILITY WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE BETWEEN 9:00 AM AND 9:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
HOWEVER, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE MORE OR DAY CLASSES WOULD BE FROM NINE TO THREE, AND THEN THE EVENING CLASSES WOULD BE FROM SIX TO 9:00 PM UM, HERE, UM, IS THE OTHER SUITE FIVE 50.
UM, THESE ROOMS CONSIST OF VARIETY OF TRAINING CLASSROOMS, UH, BREAK ROOM, COMMON SPACE ROOMS AND SO FORTH.
UH, SO WITH THE, UH, PARKING AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT FROM 1985, UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE CONSIDERING JUST THE PORTION THAT GOT, UH, CONSTRUCTED OVER THE ENTIRE, UM, COMPLEX.
AND SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 352 SPACES BASED
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UPON THE EXISTING, UM, OFFICE BUILDING.THE SITE CURRENTLY PROVIDES 351, UM, STAFF SUSPECTS THAT THERE WAS A DEFICIENCY VIA RES STRIPING OR POTENTIALLY A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE EXPANSION OVER THE LAST MANY YEARS SINCE, UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED.
UM, FOR THE, THERE ARE NO PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THE OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR FACADE.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT, I'LL MENTION THAT STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING DEFICIENCY.
UM, THIS OFFICE BUILDING IS NOT CURRENTLY, UH, FULLY OCCUPIED AT THIS TIME.
AND THIS, UM, GRADUATE AMERICA WILL FUNCTION VERY SIMILARLY TO AN OFFICE TENANT.
UM, HERE IS JUST ANOTHER SITE PLAN VIEW OF, UH, THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING AND STAFF DID NOTIFY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE.
UM, THAT INCLUDED 10 RECIPIENTS.
WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES TO THAT NOTICE.
UM, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID UNANIMOUSLY, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, THIS ITEM FOR ALL MEMBERS THAT WERE IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING, WHICH WAS FIVE TO ZERO.
AND, UH, WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LESLIE, WOULD APPROVAL OF THIS SUP UM, CHANGE CHANGE ANY PROPERTY TAX AT VALOREM RAMIFICATIONS WITH IT BEING AN EDUCATIONAL? UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.
SO IT IS, UH, SERVICING AS A SERVING AS A VOCATIONAL SCHOOL.
UM, SO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY, UM, ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN ANY SORT OF TAX EXEMPTION STACK TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUICK ONE.
IS IT CURRENTLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS? THERE WAS ONE.
UM, AND IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THERE WAS, UM, AND IT IS BEING RESOLVED THROUGH THE CODE COMPLIANCE PROCESS, RIGHT.
BUT THERE WAS SOME OVERGROWN TREES THAT WERE HANGING TOO LOW OVER THE FIRE LANE.
AND SO CODE COMPLIANCE DID ADDRESS THAT WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TO TRIM UP THE TREES TO, UH, AN APPROPRIATE HEIGHT, WHICH IS 14 FEET.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? UH, YES.
COULD WE HEAR FROM THEM? YEAH.
SO THE LANDSCAPING ISSUE IS JUST TRIMMING THERE.
THERE'S CORRECT AMPLE GREEN SPACE, THERE'S CORRECT, PROPER PLANNING.
HOW Y'ALL DOING? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? I'M PRETTY GOOD.
I'M GONNA START WITH QUESTIONS OR HEAR VISION OR MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF VISION.
WELL, WE'RE PLEASED TO BE IN THE ADDISON AREA, UM, EXPANDING VOCATIONAL TRADE OPPORTUNITIES TO THE, UH, AT THE CITIZENS OF ADV ADDISON AND BEYOND.
UM, THE GOAL AGAIN IS, UH, ALLIED HEALTH, ALLIED TRADE, UM, AND VENTURING INTO CYBERSECURITY.
UH, BUT DEFINITELY PLAYING HEAVILY WITH THE APPRENTICESHIPS AND INVOLVING THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, UH, TO GET INVOLVED, CREATING MORE JOBS, UM, IN THE AREA.
UH, THE DFW AREA, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER LOCATIONS? UH, YES.
UH, ONE IN NEBRASKA, FLORIDA, AND HOUSTON.
THANK YOU FOR TELLING US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE? UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, LESLIE, THIS IS ADULT EDUCATION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I ASSUME SO WITH THAT, I, I GUESS THERE, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE WESTWOOD SCHOOL AND THE THING WITH THE STORM SHELTERS AND ALL MM-HMM
IS THAT NOT A REQUIREMENT, I GUESS FOR HERE? IT IS NOT.
SO THAT IS, UM, AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT CODE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, BUT IT'S, I KNOW IT'S IN THE ICC 500 HUNDRED, BUT IT PERTAINS TO, UH, LIKE MINORS, SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN, AND THIS, UM, THE, THIS IS LIKE POST-SECONDARY, UM, EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY.
SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, MINORS.
I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE.
OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE A, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.
OH, SORRY, JUMPING AHEAD, BUT I'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM.
YOU CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE A SECOND AND A SECOND FROM DARREN.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING Y'ALL IN ADDISON.
[a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving an agreement with Royer and Schutts Inc. (dba Royer Commercial Interiors) for the purchase and installation of office furniture for the Addison Conference Centre Remodel Project for an amount not to exceed $263,953.88, authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement, and providing an effective date. ]
ITEM SIX, UH, SIX A PRESENT A, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING IN AGREEMENT WITH ROYER AND SCHUTZ INC.[01:30:01]
DBA ROYER COMMERCIAL INTERIORS FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF OFFICE FURNITURE FOR THE ADDISON CONFERENCE CENTER REMODEL PROJECT FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $263,953 88 CENTS, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGERS TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
BILL HAWLEY, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES.
I'D LIKE TO START WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UH, TO PUT THIS, UH, PROJECT INTO CONTEXT.
SO BETWEEN 2019 AND 2023, THE TOWN UNDERTOOK A SERIES OF FACILITY UTILIZATION STUDIES, UH, LOOKING AT THE TOWN'S FUTURE FACILITY NEEDS.
IN 2024, COUNCIL APPROVED A STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSOLIDATING INDOOR EXPANDING TOWN FACILITIES.
LATER THAT YEAR, WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE FY 25 BUDGET, THAT BUDGET CONTAINED A PROJECT OF $2 MILLION TO CONVERT THE CONFERENCE CENTER, SORRY, TO CONVERT THE CONFERENCE CENTER, UM, INTO MEETING SPACE AND OFFICE SPACE.
AND THAT PROJECT CONSISTED OF 1.5 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION, 153,000 FOR ARCHITECTURAL.
AND THE REMAINDER 347 FOR FURNITURE STAFF IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND UNDER BUDGET ON THE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, SO REALLY WHAT THAT LEAVES US REMAINING IS THE FURNITURE PURCHASE FOR THAT, FOR THAT FACILITY.
SO STAFF CAREFULLY REVIEWED THE FURNITURE OPTIONS.
WE WILL BE USING REUSING FURNITURE FROM THIS BUILDING, WHEREVER THAT'S FEASIBLE.
HOWEVER, AS WE'LL DESCRIBE LATER, IT WASN'T FEASIBLE IN ALL OF THE ROOMS. UM, SO THIS RESOLUTION IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF NEW OFFICE FURNITURE FOR THE PROJECT WHERE WE COULDN'T USE REUSE EXISTING FURNITURE.
AND THIS PROPOSED AMOUNT IS 83,000 BELOW THE BUDGETED AMOUNT FOR THE FURNITURE FOR THE FACILITY.
SO, UH, TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW, IT'S, IT'S GONNA, IT'S, IT IS A LARGE BUILDING AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
SO WE DID WANNA BREAK DOWN, UM, KINDA WHAT THESE MAIN SECTIONS WERE.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING AND SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE ARE.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOKED AT THE 47 PAGE DETAILS OF ALL THE THINGS WE WERE BUYING AT, I KNOW IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU, YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND HAD THE CHANCE TO ASK, ASK SPECIFICS.
UM, SO THE, THE LARGEST ITEM OF THAT IS 110,000 FOR, UM, CUBICLES.
WE HAD A VERY IMPORTANT DECISION TO MAKE EARLY ON IN THAT FACILITY.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, THE, THE CORE OF THE BUILDING WAS A, A LARGE ROOM THAT COULD BE DIVIDED INTO SIX DIFFERENT SPACES.
IT HAD 20 TO 24 FOOT CEILINGS, DEPENDING ON EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE IN THAT ROOM.
SO INSTEAD OF BRINGING THOSE CEILINGS DOWN TO NINE OR 10 FEET AND HAVING A BUNCH OF SMALL WINDOWLESS OFFICES, WE OPTED TO GO IN WITH AN OPEN OFFICE CONCEPT.
THEREFORE, A LOT OF THE FURNITURE THAT WAS HERE, WE NEEDED CUBICLES, UH, TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT LINE IS.
THERE ARE, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL SMALL CONFERENCE ROOMS IN THAT SPACE THAT DON'T EXIST HERE.
SO WE NEEDED NEW FURNITURE FOR THAT.
UH, THE WORK SESSION ROOM, UH, IF YOU RECALL, ACACIA OVER THERE AND, AND THE, THE LARGE TABLE, THE DIFFICULTY WE HAD WITH THE SOUND AND THE VIDEO AND COUNSEL SEEING EACH OTHER AND COMMUNICATING, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR CHARGES THAT WE, WE CREATE MORE OF A DUS TYPE FURNITURE SITUATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE MORE AMENABLE TO, TO CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.
SO THERE'S SOME NEW FURNITURE FOR THAT.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAITING SLASH SEATING AREAS THAT DON'T EXIST IN THIS BUILDING.
SO WE NEED FURNITURE, UH, TO FILL THOSE PLACES UP.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME MISCELLANEOUS, WHICH, UM, IS KIND OF OVERALL, THERE'S SOME TARIFFS INVOLVED.
THERE'S SOME, SOME OTHER, UH, COSTS INVOLVED THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T WANNA, UM, TRY TO JUST APPORTION.
IT WAS REALLY HARD TO, TO SAY WHERE THEY FIT ON ON THOSE, THOSE TOPICS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SPLIT THOSE OUT SEPARATELY.
UM, I'M TOLD THERE'S NOT A LASER POINTER ON THIS, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE CORE OF THE BUILDING, THIS IS WHERE THE 20 FOOT CEILINGS ARE, AND WE DIVIDED THAT INTO THE, THE TWO SPACE.
THE, THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, WHICH YOU'RE USED TO OVER THERE STAYS, UH, PRIMARILY THE SAME EXCEPT THE MOVABLE WALL BECOMES SOLID.
AND THEN THE WORK SESSION ROOM IS THAT MEETING ROOM ONE 12 IS NOW ADJACENT TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
SO THERE'S LESS MOVEMENT BACK AND FORTH.
IT SERVES AS A GREAT OVERFLOW ROOM.
AND WE'RE RECYCLING ALL THE FURNITURE FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
WE'RE RECYCLING MOST OF THE FURNITURE FROM THE MEETING ROOM, BUT WE DO HAVE THOSE FIVE, UM, NEW TABLES AND CHAIRS TO CREATE THAT DUS LIKE, UM, SITUATION IN THAT ROOM.
WE'RE REUTILIZING A CONFERENCE ROOM.
THE, THE TABLE AND CHAIRS THAT ARE IN THE PARLOR HERE WILL BE USED IN THIS CONFERENCE ROOM.
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OFFICES ALONG THE, THE SOUTH WALL, AND FIVE OF THOSE WILL BE FURNITURE RECYCLED FROM THIS BUILDING.AND THEN ALSO THE HR DIRECTOR'S FURNITURE FROM HERE WILL GO INTO HER OFFICE, WHICH IS UP THERE AT, AT ONE 18.
UM, BUT WE DID NEED THAT NEW FURNITURE FOR RECEPTION SEATING HERE.
UH, A COUPLE SEATING AREAS, AN HR SEATING AREA FOR PEOPLE WAITING TO, TO WORK WITH AND TALK WITH HR.
AND THEN THIS AREA IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEY MAY HAVE TIMES THAT THEY WANT A LITTLE MORE INFORMAL SEATING, UM, AND, AND OR, OR MEETING SPACE.
AND, UH, WE'RE PROVIDING THAT FOR THEM.
BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR NEW FURNITURE FOR THREE OF THOSE OFFICES.
1 0 8, 1 0 9, 1 10, UM, ONE 15, AND THEN A SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM FURNITURE IN ONE 16.
AND WHAT'S LABELED THERE AS ONE 19.
AND THEN WE GET TO THE OPEN, THE OPEN SPACE.
SO ALL THOSE CUBICLES THAT YOU SEE, UM, IN THE ONE 14 AND THE ONE 13 AREA ARE, ARE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WITH THOSE CUBICLES.
THAT GIVES US THE MOST FLEXIBILITY IN CASE WE WANT TO CHANGE, UH, RECONFIGURE.
UH, WE HAVE SOME FUTURE OFFICE SPACE AS YOU SEE IN ONE 17, AND THEN MARKED AS FUTURE OFFICE SPACE, KIND OF IN THAT, UH, THAT THAT BLANK AREA.
SO AS THE TOWN GROW, WE CAN GROW INTO THAT, WE CAN CHANGE THAT.
WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH THE, WITH THIS SPACE, WITH THE FURNITURE THAT, THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO MAYBE SHOW THAT A LITTLE CLEARER OR NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
BUT THE, THE BLUE BOXES SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE RECYCLING FURNITURE AND THE GREEN IS SHOWING YOU WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR NEW FURNITURE.
UM, AND, UH, THIS IS A LISTING OF WHAT WE'RE RECYCLING.
I DON'T WANNA READ ALL THIS TO YOU, BUT I'M HAPPY TO.
ANY QUESTIONS? AND THEN HERE WERE SOME OF OUR REUSE LIMITATIONS, SOME OF THE OFFICE SIZES, SOME OF THE OFFICE FURNITURE CONFIGURATION, UM, SOME OF THE FURNITURE THAT WE HAVE, IF WE WERE TO DISASSEMBLE IT, MOVE IT, TRY TO REASSEMBLE IT, WE JUST REALLY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS GONNA SURVIVE THAT PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN IN WHAT WE CALL THE BLUE ROOM HERE AT TOWN HALL, AS YOU WALK PAST, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR REALLY NICE CUBICLES, UM, IN THAT FIRST ROOM TO THE, THE RIGHT AS YOU COME IN, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA GET MOVED INTO THIS SPACE AND USED HERE.
SO THERE WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO THINKING ANOTHER LAYER AHEAD OF, FROM WHEN FINANCE COMES OVER HERE, WHAT DO THEY HAVE THAT'S GONNA WORK HERE OR NOT GONNA WORK HERE? AND IF WE HAVE TO BUY NEW FURNITURE SOMEWHERE, WOULDN'T WE RATHER BUY IT THERE AND HAVE IT ALL MATCH AND BE DELIVERED AT THE SAME TIME VERSUS MOVING SOMETHING FROM HERE AND THEN HAVING MISMATCHED STUFF IN, IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO THERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO IT.
AND, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, AGAIN, THE LENGTH OF THE LENGTH OF THAT ATTACHMENT, BUT THERE, UH, A LOT OF MOVING PIECES.
SO, AND THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION WE TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE 20 FOOT CEILINGS AND, AND INSTEAD OF CUTTING THAT UP AND LOSING A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURE, UH, WE WENT WITH THE OPEN OFFICE CONCEPT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE RECYCLING, WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME NEW, UM, WE HAVE THE VACANT SPACE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA FURNISH AT THIS POINT.
THAT IS AS WE GROW INTO IT, WE'LL PICK THAT UP.
THEN WE WENT THROUGH A PURCHASING COOPERATIVE.
AND BEYOND PURCHASING COOPERATIVE, WE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PROVIDERS AND VENDORS AND GOT THEIR PRICING TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS, WAS A GOOD VALUE FOR THE TOWN.
AND THAT WE WERE NOT JUST GOING WITH A, UH, IT WAS EASY TO GO TO A COOPERATIVE.
WE, WE DID GO OUT AND SHOP AND LOOKED AT OTHER FURNITURE SUPPLIERS, OTHER FURNITURE COMPANIES, OTHER PROVIDERS OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR WAS, WAS GOOD VALUE.
UM, AND THEN I KNOW THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF STICKER SHOCK WHEN YOU GO, WELL, I WENT TO THE, THE HOME STORE FOR MY OWN PIECE OF FURNITURE AND WHY WAS, WHY IS THIS SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE? AND THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF A DA REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT WE NEED TO MEET AS FAR AS SUPPORT AND SIZES AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING FOR WITH, WITH OFFICE FURNITURE COMPARED TO WHAT YOU CAN PICK UP AT HOME.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING FOR THAT OFFICE FURNITURE LASTS A LOT LONGER, SO WE HOPE NOT TO HAVE TO COME BACK.
IF WE WENT WITH A LESSER PRODUCT, WE MAY BE BACK IN A FEW YEARS ASK ASKING FOR MORE.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, IN THE MEETING ROOM SPACE OFF THE COUNCIL WHERE THE WORK SESSIONS WOULD BE HELD.
THIS IS A, AN EXAMPLE OF THE DESK AND CHAIR AND THERE, AND THEN THESE ARE THE, THE CUBICLES.
SO THEY'RE SIX BY SIX, THEY'RE LAMINATE.
THERE'S, UM, SOME FABRIC AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WOOD AND GLASS AS WELL.
AND IT REALLY MATCHES THE, THE EXISTING WOOD THAT WAS IN THE BUILDING, UM, THE COLOR SCHEMES.
UH, WE HAD A NUMBER OF, OF STAFF TEST DRIVE THE CHAIRS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A, A REALLY GOOD PRODUCT FOR YOU.
SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU GOT MY ATTENTION THAT, UH, AHEAD OF SCHEDULING UNDER BUDGETS.
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YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE? OH, GO RIGHT AHEAD.I, YOU, YOU HIT ON ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE AN AWFULLY BIG PRICE TAG FOR FURNITURE.
BUT I DO WANT QUALITY AND WE DON'T.
ARE ANY OF THESE DESKS OR ALL OF THE, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PICTURES AND LOOKING THROUGH THE DESCRIPTION.
ARE THESE STANDABLE DESKS? ARE THEY MOTORIZED? THEY YES SIR.
RISER, THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, RISER, DESKS.
'CAUSE WHAT WE'VE, WE FOUND THOSE ARE NOT, NOT JUST POPULAR, THEY HAVE A LOT OF BENEFIT TO THEM.
AND WE MEET THAT MANY OF THEM.
DOES EVERYBODY NEED ONE? WE, THAT'S JUST BECOME OUR, OUR STANDARD.
BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND IS IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN PEOPLE WILL RUN OUT AND BUY THE, THE ADD-ON AND DO THAT TO IT.
AND THEN IT'S NOT MEANT TO GO WITH THE ELECTRICAL AND THE DATA AND THE RIGHT COMPUTER.
SO BY THE TIME YOU START PIECING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER LATER, YOU SPEND MORE AND IT DOESN'T LOOK AS GOOD.
I BOUGHT ONE OF THOSE FOR MY HOME OFFICE AND, UH, THOUGHT THAT WAS A COOL IDEA AND I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU IF YOU WANT IT.
I GOT A QUICK QUESTION TO ADD TO TAG ONTO RANDY.
SO THE CUBICLE DESKS ARE STANDING DESK ALSO THE, YEAH, THE, THE WORKSTATION, THERE'S, THERE'S A SIDE WHICH IS STORAGE.
AND A AND A SHORTER OR LESS DEEP WORKS.
AND THEN THERE'S THE LARGER WORKSTATION AREA WHERE THE COMPUTER MONITOR IS ATTACHED.
I AM REALLY GLAD TO SEE THE CO-OP AND THEN THE EXTRA PRICE SHOPPING AND YOU ANSWERING ALL THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ASK.
I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF STANDING, UH, STANDING, SITTING AS THE NEW SMOKING, JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW.
ALL YOUR, OH, SO YOU SAID WE CAME IN UNDER BUDGET ON THE, THAT WAS ON THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN THIS, THIS REQUEST IS ALSO BELOW THE, THE FURNITURE PORTION OF THE, THE OVERALL BUDGET AS WELL.
HOW MUCH DID WE COME IN UNDER ON THE CONSTRUCTION? SO I, I DIDN'T PUT A NUMBER ON PURPOSE 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT QUITE DONE, BUT CURRENTLY WE'RE, UH, WE HAVE A SAVINGS OF $200,000 PAYS.
SO UNLESS WE FIND SOME SURPRISE, GOOD JOB.
BUT I, I'M HESITANT TO SAY IN CASE WE FIND A $10,000 SURPRISE TOMORROW, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE AT, AT, UH, 200.
YOU GOT A GOOD DEAL ON THE FURNITURE
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BILL? IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THANK YOU DAN AND CHRIS FOR THE SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[b. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution regarding Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART).]
TO ITEM SIX B, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION REGARDING DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT DART.SO, UH, THIS, THIS RESOLUTION WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY, OR, UH, BY COUNCIL MEMBERS FREE AND COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, UH, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DART STAFF IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
SO THE REASON THAT, UH, THIS RESOLUTION WAS BROUGHT FORWARD IS BECAUSE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, UH, ON FEBRUARY 25TH, WE HAD A RESIDENT FROM THE CIRCLE DISTRICT, UH, SPEAK TO US AND, AND INTRODUCED A PETITION OF 200 SIGNATURES OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA WANTING THE BUSES MOVED OFF OF QUORUM DRIVE AND BACK TO ADDISON ROAD.
AND HE TOLD US IN THAT DISCUSSION THAT HE HAD BEEN SPEAKING WITH A GENTLEMAN NAMED HANS MICHAEL.
ACTUALLY, I'M NOT SURE HE TOLD US THAT AT THAT MEETING.
HE MIGHT HAVE TOLD ME THAT LATER.
BUT HE'D BEEN SPEAKING WITH DART FOR OVER A YEAR TRYING TO, UM, GET SOMEBODY TO PAY ATTENTION TO MOVE THE BUSES.
AND, UH, IT WAS BASICALLY FALLING ON DEAF EARS.
ANOTHER RESIDENT ALSO SPOKE AT THAT MEETING.
AND AFTERWARD I STARTED GOING INTO THE CIRCLE DISTRICT TALKING TO BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS ABOUT THE BUSES.
AND I HAD THE PETITION, I STARTED HEARING OTHER PROBLEMS. I HEARD ABOUT BIKE LANES COMING.
I HEARD ABOUT SPEEDING ON THE STREET.
I HEARD ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.
SO THERE WERE SEVERAL ISSUES THAT WERE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD TO ME.
AND IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT FELT THIS WAS AN, AN ISSUE, I MEAN, WE HAD A PETITION OF 200.
I DRAFTED A, UM, UH, SURVEY AND WE PLACED IT IN SOME OF THE BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY COULD PASS THEM OUT.
AND WE WERE GETTING SOME TRACTION ON THAT.
THEN I DECIDED I'M JUST GONNA MAIL THEM OUT AND I WENT TO MAIL THEM OUT.
AND YOU CAN'T FIND ADDRESSES AND NAMES AND RESIDENCES FOR TENANTS AND APARTMENTS.
IT'S NOT AS EASY YOU CAN FIND, UH, THROUGH DCAD IF ANYONE OWNS A PROPERTY.
BUT FINDING RESIDENCE OF OF APARTMENTS IS HARDER.
SO I STARTED WITH, I SENT OUT A HUNDRED SURVEYS AND THEN I HAD TO LEAVE TOWN.
I GOT BACK, I ENDED UP GETTING ABOUT
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84 SURVEYS BACK BETWEEN THE TWO AREAS.AND IT, IT WAS ENOUGH THAT IT, IT FELT TO ME LIKE THERE IS A PROBLEM.
THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE BUSES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT SPEEDING.
AND, UM, AND SO THEN, UH, I SPOKE TO DIFFERENT, UH, PEOPLE INVOLVED AND, AND, UM, DECIDED, WELL, I THINK EVEN BEFORE THAT I REACHED OUT TO GARY SLAGEL, MR. SLAGEL'S HERE, UM, TOOK A FEW PHONE CALLS TO GET AHOLD OF HIM AND HE LISTENED TO ME AND, AND TALKED TO NADINE, THE CEO OF DART.
AND, UH, HANS MICHAEL WAS ASSIGNED TO COME OUT AND TALK TO RANDY AND ME AND CHAD, AND HE BROUGHT, UH, MR. LEWIS WITH HIM.
AND WE SAT ON WITH HIM FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF AND DISCUSSED THE PROBLEM.
AND, UM, HE BASICALLY TOLD US THAT FOR THE SAME REASONS WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH, UM, THE NOISE AND THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WANT THE BUSES MOVED.
WELL, THOSE SAME REASONS WERE WHY, UH, DART WANTED THE BUSES ON THAT STREET AND DART SAID IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY AND BECAUSE OF, I GUESS AT THAT POINT, SIDEWALKS.
AND, UM, WE SAID, WELL, YOU HAD THE BUSES OVER ON ADDISON FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS.
I DUNNO WHAT THE PROCEDURE WAS FOR MOVING THEM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE WAKING UP A RESIDENCE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
AND I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS THAT ARE HAPPY WITH THE BUSES, THEY RIDE THE BUSES, BUT IT'S JUST A HANDFUL OF THOSE RESIDENTS.
AND I'M, I'M HEARING FROM I HUNDREDS THAT ARE OPPOSED.
SO, UH, RANDY AND I WERE TALKING TO HIM.
WE SAID, WHAT ABOUT SMALLER BUSES? WHAT ABOUT SPLITTING YOUR TIME AND COMING ON ADDISON ROAD BETWEEN, UH, I MEAN QUORUM FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT AND ON ADDISON THE OTHER HOURS BASICALLY SAID, WE DON'T HAVE SMALLER BUSES, WE CAN'T SPLIT OUR TIME.
AND UH, IT WOULD TAKE US SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OR WHATEVER.
AND THAT IT'D TAKE 15 MONTHS AFTER THAT IF IT WAS APPROVED.
SO LOOKING AT ANOTHER 21 MONTHS, AND ALL I COULD HEAR IN MY MIND WAS THAT, UM, CHAD SAID, THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING WOKEN UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT EVERY NIGHT FOR, AT THAT POINT A YEAR WAS WHAT HE SAID.
SO WE ASKED, UH, HANS MICHAEL, IF HE WOULD JUST GO BACK TO HIS BOSSES, TELL HIM THAT WE'RE NOT HAPPY, WE WANNA MOVE BACK AND GET BACK TO US.
AND SO WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM BEFORE, I, I MEAN AFTER THAT HE SAID, WE'RE WORKING ON A, A IMPACT STUDY.
IT TOOK A FEW MORE DAYS, A FEW MORE DAYS.
AND I STARTED COMMUNICATING BACK AND FORTH WITH HIM.
IT WAS VERY PLEASANT AT FIRST, AND I JUST, WE WEREN'T GETTING ANYWHERE.
WE GOT THE SURVEY BACK, IT SAID THERE'S VERY LOW RIDERSHIP BOTTOM LINE.
UH, DART SAID TO US, THERE'S 33 RIDERS GETTING ON THE BUSES IN THE ADDISON STOPS ON A WEEKDAY AVERAGE 33.
I DID THIS MATH AND I THOUGHT WE HAD 1400 BUSES RUNNING UP AND DOWN QUORUM DRIVE EVERY WEEK.
SO ACCORDING TO DART'S NUMBERS, IT'S ONLY 800.
AND, UM, I, I KEPT TRYING AND TRYING AND TRYING TO GET A COMMITMENT WHEN WE COULD MOVE TO THE BUSES.
THERE'S SO MANY UNHAPPY PEOPLE.
AND, UH, MY, MY APPROACH WAS, WAS ROUGH.
I MEAN, I, I, UH, I'M NOT NORMALLY LIKE THAT AND I LIKE TO NEGOTIATE AND BE FRIENDLY, BUT I FELT LIKE I WAS BEING PUSHED AWAY AND I DIDN'T KNOW REALLY HOW TO GO ABOUT GETTING THIS DONE.
I WENT TO GARY BECAUSE HE'S OUR LIAISON, HE'S ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD.
SO, UH, AS TIME WENT ON, I GUESS MARCH AND APRIL, I FELT LIKE NOTHING GOT DONE.
SO IN MAY WHEN I WAS TALKING TO GARY, I SAID, WE NEED TO ESCALATE THIS.
GARY SAID, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BRING PEOPLE IN AND FIND OUT.
AND THEN HE CALLED ME BACK AND SAID, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIDERSHIP TO JUSTIFY PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW MY MEMORY OF THAT CONVERSATION IS GARY THEN SAID TO ME, WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE THE BUSES.
AND I SAID TO GARY WHEN, AND HE TOLD ME BY THE END OF THE MONTH, TWO WEEKS LATER WHEN I CALLED GARY TO FIND OUT AN EXACT DATE, GARY SAID, THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT HE SAID, I I DON'T WANNA GET INTO IT.
SO THEN, UM, I CONTINUED TO PUSH AND THEN WE WERE HAVING A RESOLUTION COMING BEFORE THE BOARD FOR MAY 27TH.
AND I SENT DAVID GAINES ALL MY CORRESPONDENCE, 30 MESSAGES BACK AND FORTH OF ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE TRYING TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
AND UH, DAVID TOLD ME IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE, UM, TIME FOR THAT TO, TO COME OUT AT THAT MEETING.
THIS IS ABOUT A RESOLUTION WITH THE COTTON BELT AND
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FUNDING FOR THAT.SO THEN I ASKED RANDY TO SPONSOR IT WITH ME.
WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AS A WORK SESSION ITEM THE NEXT DAY.
DAVID SAID, UH, OR SENT A MESSAGE SAYING THAT DART HAS AGREED TO MOVE THE BUS ROUTES AND UM, THEY'LL BE MOVED BY SEPTEMBER.
SO TO ME BY SEPTEMBER WAS BY SEPTEMBER.
IT'D BE THE LAST DAY BY SEPTEMBER IS NOT DURING OR IN SEPTEMBER OR THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
SO I'D ALREADY SPENT 90 DAYS TRYING TO PLEASE THESE PEOPLE.
AND NOW IT'S 90 MORE DAYS OF BEING WOKEN UP, BEING DISTURBED.
THE BUSINESSES ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE BUSES.
THEY, THEY SQUEAK WHEN THEY STOP AT THE STOP SIGN, SAY THEY SMELL BAD WITH THE FUMES.
I I MEAN, I JUST, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE AND ALL I'M HEARING ARE COMPLAINTS.
AND A FEW PEOPLE LIKE PHYLLIS, LIKE TYLER, LIKE CURTIS THAT RIDE THE BUS AND WANT THE BUSES, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
DART SAID THEY COULDN'T DO IT BOTH WAYS.
SO I'M GOING WITH THE MAJORITY.
SO I'M TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR MY RES MY CONSTITUENTS, RESIDENTS OF ADDISON.
AND I CHECK BACK WITH GARY IN THE MIDDLE OF JUNE AND I FIND OUT NOW IT'S GONNA BE SEPTEMBER 14TH.
SO THAT DIDN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.
AND, AND I'M, I'M LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT OKAY.
THERE'S ANOTHER 90 DAYS TILL AUGUST 31ST.
UH, CHAD WAS, WAS FIGHTING IT FOR A YEAR.
TO ME IT'S 18 MONTHS OF WAKING PEOPLE UP.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG BEFORE THAT.
SO I FIND OUT THAT I SHOULD HAVE JUST GOTTEN SOMEONE ON COUNCIL, SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL.
THE COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSED IT VOTED, AND WE SHOULD HAVE MADE A RESOLUTION TO GO FORWARD WITH DART WITH WHAT WE WANTED.
SO I PUT IT BACK ON OR GOT WITH RANDY AND SAID, WILL YOU PUT THIS BACK ON WITH ME? I DON'T WANNA WAKE THESE PEOPLE UP FOR TWO MORE WEEKS.
NADINE SENT A LETTER AND IT SAID THEY NEED FIVE TO SIX MORE WEEKS MINIMUM.
SHE SENT IT ON JULY THE SEVENTH AND FIVE TO SIX WEEKS, IT PUTS US TO AUGUST 11TH OR AUGUST 18TH.
SHE SAID IN, IN HER MEMO, ONE OF THEM THAT HOPEFULLY SOONER, BUT THE TARGET DATE'S SEPTEMBER 14TH.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S NOT FAIR TO ASK OUR RESIDENTS TO BE WOKEN UP FOR TWO MORE WEEKS WHEN WE, THEY'VE PUT UP WITH IT FOR THIS LONG, AND, AND I KNOW IT'S JUST TWO WEEKS, BUT I BROUGHT FORWARD THE RESOLUTION.
AND I, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE LISTENED TO THE MAJORITY.
I I BELIEVE THAT I, MY FRUSTRATION AND MY, I I JUST, I, I WENT OVERBOARD ON SOME OF MY MESSAGES TO WHICH I EVEN SENT GARY AN APOLOGY FOR FEELING THAT WAY.
BUT I WAS JUST FRUSTRATED AND SAID STUFF I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID.
IF I COULD TAKE IT BACK, I WOULD, BUT, BUT MY GUT FEELING WAS THESE PEOPLE WERE BEING WOKEN UP.
HOW WOULD I LIKE IT? I WOULDN'T LIKE IT.
UM, ON, ON MARCH THE 10TH, I GOT A MESSAGE FROM HANS MICHAEL, THE FIRST ONE THAT SAID, OUR CEO NADINE IS URGING ME TO REACH OUT TO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ABOUT SOME CONCERNS ON QUORUM DRIVE AND ADDISON.
SO NADINE KNEW ABOUT IT ON MARCH THE 10TH.
UM, THE STUDY SHOWS 33 RIDERS ON A WEEKDAY.
UM, IF THAT WAS EVERY DAY, IT'S 231 RIDERS IN A, IN A MONTH, I MEAN, IN A WEEK.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT'S NOT HOW MANY RIDERS.
THAT'S HOW MANY GET ON A BUS IN ADDISON.
THEY ORIGINATE IN ADDISON 231.
SO I MEAN, 231 TIMES, ONE RIDER GETS ON AND 569 TIMES, NO RIDER GETS ON.
SO 800 TRIPS A WEEK IS 41,600 TRIPS IN A YEAR, 12,000 HAVE ONE RIDER GETTING ON AND 29,000 HAVE NONE.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THE BUS ROUTES ON THAT ROAD WITH, WITH THOSE NUMBERS.
AND I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO GET HURT ON, ON ADDISON.
I DO THINK WE NEED SOME SIDEWALKS AND PROBABLY A, A STOPLIGHT.
DAVID GAINES AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IT.
WE HAVE AN ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER THAT PEOPLE CAN, CAN RIDE THE BUS TO AND FROM WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ON ADDISON ROAD OR ACROSS ADDISON ROAD.
I BELIEVE ADDISON'S WILLING TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS IF THEY'RE NEEDED AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT SAFE.
SAFETY'S NUMBER ONE, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO WAKE PEOPLE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.
THIS IS NOT OKAY, AND THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM.
SO I'M SUPPORTING MY CONSTITUENTS.
I, I PUT THE RESOLUTION OUT THERE.
THAT'S WHY I'M STICKING TO THE DATE.
I DON'T WANNA CHANGE IT TO, TO SEPTEMBER 14TH.
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REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.I'D LOVE TO, RANDY, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY THOUGHTS.
THE WAY I SEE THIS, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IN RESIDENTS THAT ARE BEING WOKE UP BY LAWNMOWERS AND CONSTRUCTION AND ANYTHING ELSE.
IF YOU LIVE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, YOU DESERVE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY IN A HOME THAT YOU HAVE PER, THOSE ARE ALL SIMPLE FEE STRUCTURES.
YOU SPENT THE MONEY TIME INVESTING IN ADDISON, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
AND I THINK THEY DESERVE THE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY TO LIVE ALONG THAT ROUTE.
UH, THE REASON I STAND BEHIND THIS RESOLUTION AND, AND WANTED IT TO COME FORWARD, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE GIVEN US A DATE, IS DART HAS A HISTORY OF, OF DELAYING AND MISSING DATES.
SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO SAY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE DATE THAT WE WANT, AND THAT'S WHEN IT SHOULD BE.
UH, THERE AGAIN, THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT IN FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ADDISON IS COMMENDABLE ON THIS.
YOU HAVE TAKEN AND, AND RAN WITH THIS AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE AND YOUR OWN TIME.
I SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION AND I SUPPORT OUR, OUR RESIDENTS IN THE CIRCLE.
I NEVER SPENT MUCH TIME IN THE CIRCLE FOR THE 25 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE, OTHER THAN JUST GO TO RESTAURANTS AND, AND THAT, BUT I HAVE GOT TO KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE RES IN, IN THE CIRCLE NOW, AND THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THESE THINGS AND I WANNA SUPPORT 'EM IN THAT.
AND I HOPE WE HAVE OTHERS THAT SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS OVER A BLOATED GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
MAYOR, I'VE GOT, UM, SEVERAL MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M KIND OF CURIOUS IF WE SHOULD HEAR FROM, FROM, UH, MR. SLAGEL IF HE CARES TO, HAS ANYTHING HE CARES TO SHARE.
I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE COUNSEL DISCUSS IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF MR. SLAGEL, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT COUNSEL DISCUSS IT FIRST.
BUT HE'S NOT HERE TO, HE'S NOT HERE TO DO A PRESENTATION, I DON'T BELIEVE.
IF IF HE I HAVE A QUESTION, I'M SURE HE'D BE OKAY.
UM, YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR HIM REAL, UH, IF HE COULD ANSWER.
AS FAR, HEY, DART HAS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GET ROB UP HERE TOO, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
BASICALLY, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT, UH, I'M, I'M NOT FOCUSED ON ON WHO'S GETTING ON THE BUS IN ADDISON.
I'M MORE FOCUSED ON THE RIDERSHIP THROUGH, THROUGH ADDISON.
DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE RIDERSHIP WISE DURING THE, DURING THE WEEK OR THE WEEKEND? I DID NOT BRING THE OVERALL NUMBERS FOR ADDISON AS A WHOLE, BUT AS FAR AS THE QUORUM BOARDINGS ON THE ENTIRETY OF QUORUM, WE'RE BETWEEN 50 AND 60 BOARDINGS A DAY.
THE AREA FURTHER SOUTH THAT GOES THROUGH THE CIRCLE IS EXACTLY WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER FREED MENTIONED.
UH, BETWEEN 30 AND 35 A DAY, THE TWO ROUTES THAT RUN ON QUORUM, THE 2 39 CARRIES OVERALL ABOUT 1200 RIDERS A DAY.
IT RUNS ALL THE WAY FROM THE LEGACY AREA OF PLANO TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
AND THE 2 35 HAS BETWEEN FIVE AND 600 RIDER A DAY.
WE HAVE SEVERAL THOUSAND RIDERS WHO ARE USING ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER.
THAT IS BY FAR WHERE THE BIGGEST ACTIVITY IS.
AND IT IS THE BIGGEST RIDERSHIP LOCATION IN THE DART SYSTEM OUT OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS BECAUSE OF ALL THE BUSES THAT CONVERGED THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND SOON THE SILVER LINE AS WELL.
AND YOU, WOULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
ROB SMITH, VICE PRESIDENT OF SERVICE PLANNING AND SCHEDULING FOR DART.
UM, YEAH, I'VE JUST, I, I WANTED TO KIND OF GET A BETTER FEEL FOR THE RIDERSHIP.
UM, SO YEAH, I GUESS I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT THE OVERARCHING ONE OF HOWARD, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE, ON THIS RESOLUTION, YOU'VE GOT AUGUST 31ST.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE TIMING ON THIS, BUT DART IS, IS, IS COMMUNICATED, HEY, SEPTEMBER 15TH, MIGHT, MIGHT BE THE DATE WE CAN GET ALL THIS STUFF DONE.
UM, AND, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF YOU'RE STUCK ON THIS, THIS, THIS DATE, ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS PRIOR, LIKE WHAT, WHAT DO WE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WHAT WE THINK WE MIGHT GET OUT OF ALL THAT.
I ASSUMED THAT WOULD COME UP TONIGHT.
MAYBE HE COULD ANSWER THIS IN NADINE'S LETTERS THAT WHERE SHE SAID, UH,
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BY SEPTEMBER WHERE SHE SAID, WELL, ACTUALLY, SHE SAID, UH, I BELIEVE HER WORDS WERE NO LATER THEN SEPTEMBER, BUT THE MEMO THAT WE GOT SAID BY SEPTEMBER.SO THAT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT SHE SAID.
BUT IT WASN'T REALLY FROM HER.
AND, AND ROB, SHE DID MAKE REFERENCE TO YOU BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T RESPOND TO ME ON ONE OF MY QUESTIONS UNTIL YOU GOT BACK.
SHE SAID THAT, UH, SHE NEEDED FIVE TO SIX WEEKS.
AND AS I SAID, THAT PUTS US TO AUGUST 11TH TO AUGUST 18TH.
THIS PUTS US 13 MORE DAYS FURTHER OUT.
SO IT'S TWO MORE WEEKS, WHICH REALLY FROM TODAY, IT WOULD BE 40 DAYS, ALMOST SIX WEEKS.
IF IT'S FIVE TO SIX WEEKS, WHY THEN IS THE DATE TO SWITCH SEPTEMBER 14TH? ALL I'M WANTING TO SPEED IT UP FOR IS SO THE, THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE BUSES WAKING 'EM UP ANYMORE.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO IT BY THEN, THAT'S WHEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THIS IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION, I GUESS, BUT THERE'S FIVE MAYORS IN THE DART SYSTEM THAT ARE FIGHTING TO GET FUNDING REDUCED.
ALL I'M ASKING IS TO MOVE TWO BUSES, ONE STREET OVER.
I, I, I DON'T, I GUESS I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAN BE SO DIFFICULT WHEN WE HAVE KABOOM TOWN, UH, TASTE OF ADDISON, OCTOBER FEST.
WE MOVE THE BUSES FOR THOSE EVENTS IF WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS TO DO THAT.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE? I DON'T WANNA BE A PROBLEM FOR DART.
I LIKE TO SLEEP THROUGH THE NIGHT TOO, AND I JUST WANNA MOVE 'EM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S WHY I'M PUSHING FOR THE 31ST.
CAN Y'ALL DO IT? HERE WILL BE THE CHALLENGE.
AND I, IF I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY WE'VE BEEN SAYING SEPTEMBER ALL ALONG, THIS MAY PUT IT INTO CONTEXT AND THEN I COULD TELL YOU WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT WOULD BE DONE AT THE END OF AUGUST.
WE DO ROUTE CHANGES TYPICALLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR.
ONE OF THOSE TIMES HAPPENS TO BE SEPTEMBER 15TH, WHICH IS WHY THAT DATE HAS COME UP.
SEPTEMBER 14TH WILL BE THE LAST OF THE OLD SCHEDULES WHERE THE ROUTES WOULD OPERATE.
AND THEN WE HAVE A SERIES OF ROUTE AND SCHEDULE CHANGES THAT WILL GO INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 15TH.
IT IS NOT JUST MOVING THE BUSES.
WE'VE GOT TO POSITION BUS STOPS IN SOME CASES.
AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING EARLIER AT POSSIBLY TURNING AT AIRPORT PARKWAY BEFORE WE REALIZED THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT, IT WOULDN'T INVOLVE SIGNAL CHANGES ON THE PART OF THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND OTHER ISSUES.
WE HAVE GOT PRINTED AND ELECTRONIC INFORMATION GOING OUT TO CUSTOMERS TO TELL THEM WHERE THEY ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO BOARD THE BUS.
IF WE MOVE THE BUSES OCTOBER 31ST, WE PROBABLY WILL NOT HAVE BUS STOPS AT THE LOCATIONS WHERE BOARDINGS WILL HAPPEN.
WE WILL CERTAINLY NOT HAVE PRINTED PASSENGER INFORMATION AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE IN PLACE FOR THE SEPTEMBER 15TH CHANGE.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TARGETING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IN PLACE.
ROB, I ASSUME YOU MEANT AUGUST 31ST, NOT OCTOBER.
NO, WE'RE NOT PUSHING THINGS OUT THAT FAR.
CAN I ASK A FEW QUESTIONS? MARLON, WERE YOU DONE? NO, BUT BUT GO AHEAD.
UM, SO NORMALLY I'D BE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS OF STAFF, 'CAUSE STAFF WOULD NORMALLY BRING SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP.
SO, UM, THE, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IS YOU.
SO I'LL ASK YOU THE QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY RESOLUTIONS HAVE YOU WRITTEN? I DID NOT WRITE THIS RESOLUTION.
I DID DRAFT ONE AND SEND IT IN WIT, CLEANED IT UP.
ARE YOU ASKING HOW MANY HAVE I ASKED FOR? OR DID I PHYSICALLY WRITE? WRITTEN? I MEAN, USUALLY I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I DON'T GET THE ANSWERS BECAUSE IT CAME FROM YOU.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
UH, THE, I SO WHAT, WHAT DIDN'T RIDE THIS ONE? WHAT PROBLEM WERE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? I WANTED TO GET THE BUSES MOVED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE OF THESE PEOPLE HAVING TO WAIT SO LONG.
WHEN, WHEN I, A HUNDRED PERCENT I, I HEARD.
IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST FOR THAT.
AND I FELT LIKE DART TOLD US THEY WOULD BE MOVED BY SEPTEMBER AND PEOPLE WERE ASKING ME, AND I TOLD HIM BY SEPTEMBER.
AND THEN WHEN I REACHED OUT TO GARY ASKING FOR A DATE, AND HE TOLD ME THE 14TH, I'M LIKE, I ALREADY TOLD HIM BY MAY, AND NOW I'M TELLING HIM BY SEPTEMBER.
I JUST, I'M SORRY TO DISAPPOINT THE RESIDENTS.
I'M SORRY FOR THEM TO BE WOKEN UP.
I DON'T WANNA PUT A HARDSHIP ON DART.
HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS.
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I PUT IT FOR AUGUST 31ST BECAUSE IT, IT JUST, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IF YOU CAN BE COMPLETED IN FIVE TO SIX WEEKS, WHY THEN ARE WE WAITING TILL AUGUST, I MEAN, TILL SEPTEMBER 14TH? IT'S THE POINT OF THE MATTER.AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO AS COUNSEL SOMETIMES IS DELIVER BAD NEWS BACK TO THE CUS TO THE CUSTOMER, TO OUR, OUR CONSTITUENTS, WHEN EVEN WE DON'T LIKE IT.
I KNOW NOW I KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.
I A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT MOVING THESE ROUTES.
I THINK IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME TO DO IT.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THE PROPER PROCESS FOR DOING THIS? AND WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? IT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE, I HAD ASKED, UH, PUT IN, I HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND EVERYBODY CAN LOOK AT 'EM.
THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA.
UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FROM MOVING A ROUTE? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? WHAT'S THE EXPECTATIONS? DID WE FOLLOW THE PROCESS? WHAT'S THE COMMUNICATION PLAN ON THAT WITH US? AND DID WE FOLLOW THAT TOO? YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE USUALLY TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CHANGE.
IF A CHANGE IN THE CONFIGURATION OF A ROUTE OR THE LEVEL OF SERVICE EXCEEDS CERTAIN THRESHOLDS, STATE LAW THAT APPLIES ONLY TO DART REQUIRES THAT WE GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
THERE ARE SOME FORMAL STEPS, AND USUALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR FROM WHEN WE START THAT PROCESS TO WHEN THE CHANGES ARE PUT INTO EFFECT.
A MORE MODERATE CHANGE IN A ROUTE CAN BE DONE MUCH MORE QUICKLY THAN THAT.
WE GENERALLY TRY AND CONFINE ROUTE CHANGES TO THOSE TIMES DURING THE YEAR IN SEPTEMBER IS NORMALLY ONE OF THEM, WHERE WE ARE DOING A SERIES OF CHANGES SO THAT WE CAN DO ALL OF THE BUS STOP PLACEMENTS, THE SYSTEM MAPS, THE CUSTOMER INFORMATION, EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING UP TO DATE AND ACCURATE FOR CUSTOMERS THE DAY IT GOES INTO EFFECT.
AND USUALLY THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ABOUT THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE CHANGE HAPPENS.
UH, UH, THESE TWO ROUTE CHANGES, THE 2 35, 2 39 DO NOT REQUIRE THE FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS OR WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
THIS CAN BE DONE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ADDISON STAFF TO FIRST TRY AND FIND AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MINIMIZED THE DISTANCE THAT SOME OF THE CUSTOMERS WOULD HAVE TO WALK THAT'S USING AIRPORT PARKWAY.
WE'RE GONNA USE KELLER SPRINGS INSTEAD.
WE'VE NOW GOT THAT IN PLACE AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE STEPS TO GET THAT MOVED.
SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS, DID WE, DID WE REQUEST IT THE RIGHT WAY OR DID WE, I I I AM NOT GONNA PUT BLAME ON ANYONE.
I THINK THIS WAS A CASE OF SOME MISCOMMUNICATION ALL AROUND.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL WORK TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE.
I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE NEVER SEEN AN ACTUAL COPY OF THE SURVEY THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED HERE THAT NEVER MADE IT TO DART STAFF THAT WE'RE AWARE OF DART STAFF.
I DON'T THINK WE DID AS GOOD OF A JOB OF COMMUNICATING AS WE COULD HAVE ON THIS EITHER.
AND SO WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE STAFF DOWN THE ROAD IF WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH TO IMPROVE THAT COMMUNICATION.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS IN PROGRESS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IT'S ROLLING DOWN THE ROAD, NO PUN INTENDED.
AND, UM, EVERYTHING'S SET LOOKS LIKE THE CHANGE ON YOUR TIME SCHEDULE.
THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD THING FOR US TO KNOW IS YOU HAVE A, A CADENCE OF TIME CHANGE.
SEPTEMBER 15TH IS ONE OF THEM THAT WOULD'VE ANSWERED SOME PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS AS TO WHY.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ON SEPTEMBER 15TH.
IT WILL HAPPEN ON SEPTEMBER 15TH.
WE DON'T MISS DEADLINES WHEN WE'VE GOT A SERVICE CHANGE PINNED DOWN.
AND IF WE DID, WEREN'T CERTAIN WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT, WE WOULD NOT SAY THAT WE COULD DO IT SEPTEMBER 15TH.
SO HOWARD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSION AND TENACITY ON THIS AND ALL OF YOUR WORK.
AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I, I JUST LOOK BACK AT THIS AND NOW I'M IN AN UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION WITH HAVING TO, UH, VOTE, MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING THAT'S IRRELEVANT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
AND I, I HAD ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS LAST WEEK TO GET THAT CONFIRMED BEFORE I EVEN KNEW THIS, THIS, UM, RESOLUTION WAS COMING OUT.
SO I SUPPORT THE BUS MOVE FOR SURE.
I REALLY, I FEEL FOR YOU AND PHYLLIS HURTS ME THE MOST.
UM, I SUPPORT IT FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS.
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UH, AND I KNOW THINGS TAKE TIME.I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG MACHINE AND A LOT OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO.
YOU CAN GO INTO ALL THE DETAIL, UH, YOU DROP THE COMMUNICATION BALL, UM, AND HOWARD STAYED ON IT.
BUT IT'S LIKE WE MESS UP A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS HERE.
AND I, I LEARNED THAT WE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE POWER, UM, AND, AND EFFECTIVENESS BY GOING THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER TO TALK TO DART MM-HMM
AND THAT'S WHEN, UM, THINGS BECAME, UH, VERY OFFICIAL AND ON TRACK.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS RESOLUTION THAT'S SAYING THE PROBLEM'S ALREADY SOLVED.
I, I KNOW IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH DART AND THAT DART TYPICALLY OR HAS MISSED DEADLINES.
UM, AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF HEAT ON YOU RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M, UM, I, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, BETTING ON A GAME THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.
ANYTHING ELSE I'M DONE FOR RIGHT NOW? I DON'T, YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS.
SO, NO, I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK EVERYONE SUPPORTED THE, THE MOVEMENT OF THOSE ROUTES HAD DINNER LAST WEEK IN THE CIRCLE.
UM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I WENT TO TWO DART MEETINGS IN THE LAST SIX WEEKS, AND THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
WE, WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, IT'S GREAT FOR YOU TO SIT THERE AND SAY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE AREN'T MOVED, BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU'RE IGNORING THE SAFETY OF THOSE BUS RIDERS.
AND I, THAT THAT'S JUST ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST RESPONSIBILITIES AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE ARE JUST SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE THESE BUSES MOVE, RIGHT? UM, REVIEW TURNING MOVEMENTS, UM, POST NOTICES FOR STOPS MINIMUM OF TWO WEEKS.
UH, NOTICE TO CUSTOMERS TRAININGS FOR DRIVERS.
I WANT ALL THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT'S FIVE TO SIX WEEKS OUT.
I I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THE STOPS ARE GONNA BE ON ADDISON ROAD.
WE NEED CROSSWALKS, RIGHT? WE NEED BUS STATIONS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
UM, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? THE AREA OVER THERE IS SO DENSE.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WHEN WE MOVE THESE ROUTES? AND THE PEOPLE ON THOSE ROUTES START TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NOISE? THIS ISN'T AS SIMPLE AS YOU THINK.
AND THE IDEA OF THE 200 SIGNATURES, WHEN DID YOU RECEIVE THAT? I DON'T RECALL WHEN HE SENT IT TO ME.
SO WHY DIDN'T YOU SHARE THAT YOU HAD THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SHARE THAT WITH THIS COUNSEL? I'VE NEVER SEEN IT.
I THINK IT'S VERY DISINGENUOUS THAT YOU RECEIVED 200 SIGNATURES FROM OUR RESIDENCE AND YOU DIDN'T SHARE IT.
I DID NOT COLLECT THE SIGNATURES.
I ASKED FOR A COPY OF IT GIVEN TO YOU.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE STILL COLLECTING SIGNATURES.
I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS MY PLACE TO TURN IT IN.
I THINK WHEN YOU RECEIVED IT, YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN IT TO THE TOWN.
AND I TOLD DAVID ABOUT IT YESTERDAY, AND DAVID SAID HE WANTED IT, AND I GAVE IT TO HIM.
AND WE JUST GOT, I GOT IT TODAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
I I I, I DON'T SHARED IT WITH HIS COUNSEL.
I THINK IF HE'D HAVE SHARED IT WITH DART, MAYBE THE PROCESS WOULD'VE WENT A LITTLE QUICKER.
I THINK THAT WHAT ROB JUST TOLD US IS SEPTEMBER 15TH THE DAY.
BUT IN THE LETTER THAT NADINE SENT US, SHE SAID FIVE TO SIX WEEKS AND, UH, HOPEFULLY SOONER.
AND IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN SOONER.
NOW I'M HEARING I HER, HER MESSAGE TO US SAID, HOPEFULLY SOONER.
I DID THE MATH AND THOUGHT IT WAS THE END OF AUGUST.
THOUGHT WE HAD TO HAVE 90 MORE DAYS.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT AS FAR AS THE SAFETY ISSUE, I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT SAFE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING IT'S NOT THAT, THAT MOVING THE ROUTES TO ADDISON ROAD IS THE PROBLEM OR MOVING THEM TOO FAST WHERE WE CAN'T GET ALL THIS WORK DONE SO THAT IT'S SAFE BECAUSE I WANT ALL THE WORK DONE AND I WANT IT TO BE SAFE AS WELL.
AND ROB IS EXPLAINING TO ME NOW WHY, WHY IT NEEDS TO BE THAT DATE.
BECAUSE NADINE DID SAY HOPEFULLY SOONER, IF IT CAN'T BE ANY SOONER, IF THE LETTER WOULD'VE COME TO US AND SAID, THE SOONEST WE CAN DO IT IS SEPTEMBER 14TH, THAT'LL BE THE LAST DAY AND WE'LL MOVE ON THE 15TH.
I WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY WITH THAT.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE BY SEPTEMBER, WHICH TO ME BEEN IN AUGUST AND I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE HIM SIT, WAKE UP TWO MORE WEEKS.
I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT TYLER SAID.
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I CAN'T.I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A SOLUTION THAT PLEASES BOTH.
CHRIS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR STILL.
MAYBE IT'S, THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT AND IT'S THE COMMENTS ON YOUR ACTIVITY.
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE NEW.
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE NEVER READ THE CHARTER, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ACT ON BEHALF AT THE TOWN.
I WAS NOT ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN.
IT SURE SEEMS I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS SAID IT WAS ME.
SO THE CHARTER PROHIBITS THIS CITY ISSUES.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU FINALLY HAVE REALIZED THAT WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS DIRECTED STAFF.
WE, WE SHOULD HAVE VOTED AS A COUNCIL.
YOU SHOULD HAVE DIRECTED, WE COULD HAVE DIRECTED STAFF, AND THEN WE ALLOW THE PROFESSIONALS TO HANDLE THIS.
WE ALLOW OUR STAFF TO WORK WITH DART STAFF AND THEY COME WITH A SOLUTION.
I WAS REALLY APPALLED BY YOUR EMAILS.
I THERE, THERE'S JUST NO EXCUSE FOR HOW RUDE SOME OF THOSE WERE.
WE, WE, WE'VE GOT THE SILVER LINE COMING THROUGH OUR TOWN.
WE NEED A RELATIONSHIP WITH DART.
AND YOU'VE DONE, YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ERODING THAT RELATIONSHIP.
ALL I GOTTA SAY WERE THE COMMENTS.
WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ONCE.
WHY DON'T WE COME BACK TO YOU AFTER CHANCE'S WHEN EVERYONE GETS THROUGH? I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.
DAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I'M GOOD FOR NOW.
MARLON, UH, DID YOU FINISH MARLON? YEAH.
I'M JUST GONNA, WELL, SO YOU, YOU HAD TO GO TOO.
SO LET ME SAY A FEW THINGS THAT WE
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, CHRIS.
A LOT OF WHAT CHRIS JUST SAID, UH, IS ON MY MIND AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S SO MUCH ABOUT THE PROCESSES YOU'VE TAKEN THAT IS TOTALLY ANTI THE PROCESS THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE DONE.
I SAW, I RECENTLY SAW SOME OF YOUR, THE, THE MORE RECENT, UH, COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH, WITH MR. SLAGEL.
AND, UM, I WAS SHOCKED BY THOSE WHEN I SAW YESTERDAY WITH THE AMENDED, UH, AGENDA.
AND I SAW THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE MARCH.
MARCH AND SOME OF THE TEXTS AND EMAILS AND, AND AND CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD WITH THEM.
I WAS, I WAS, I WAS BLOWN AWAY.
I COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU FELT THAT THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH ONE OF OUR PARTNERS.
THIS, THIS, IT WAS JUST TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE, TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
AND, AND YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT YOU WERE BEING YOURSELF, BUT WHEN YOU SIGN SOMETHING AS HOWARD FREE, UH, ADDISON CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE REPRESENTING ADDISON.
YOU DON'T GET TO BE HOWARD FREE RESIDENT.
YOU'RE PUTTING YOURSELF OUT THERE AS I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOWN, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
YOU DON'T GET TO SPEAK SINGULARLY FOR THE COUNCIL.
WE SET POLICY, WE GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THAT AND GO OUT SO YOU CAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENT WAS, WHETHER YOU JUST FELT LIKE NOBODY ELSE COULD GET IT DONE.
SO YOU WERE GONNA GO OUT AND BE THE HERO AND GET IT DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENTION WAS, BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND THAT CAN, TO CHRIS'S POINT, THAT DOES DAMAGE TO OUR REPUTATION, DOES DAMAGE TO OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH DART THAT WE'VE HAD FOR 42 YEARS.
IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND THERE'S THINGS IN THIS RESOLUTION, THE RESOLUTION TO ME IS THERE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT RELEVANT JUST BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS ALMOST DONE.
IT'S ALREADY IN, IT'S ALREADY GONE ON THE WAY.
THERE'S THING AND, AND, AND A RESOLUTION NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY JUST ABOUT FACTS.
AND THERE'S THINGS IN HERE THAT I DON'T THINK ARE FACTUAL.
I DON'T THINK WHERE IT SAYS THAT THERE, THAT THE BUSES ARE WAKING UP AT LEAST 200 RESIDENTS EACH DAY.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT TWO OR MORE THAN 200 RESIDENTS ARE NOT BEING WOKEN UP EACH DAY.
I'M SURE SOME ARE, PROBABLY ARE.
BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ACCURATE IN MY OPINION.
AND, AND, AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THIS, THE DEADLINE TO THEM AND YOU MADE DEMANDS AND BASICALLY THREATS TO THEM IF THEY DIDN'T GET IT DONE BY THIS DEADLINE, THAT THE QUESTION IS, AND THEN WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN IF ON, ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, IF THEY DIDN'T GET IT DONE, WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN THEN? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT THE, BUT THE WHOLE THING IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE THE PRO, IT DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
UH, THERE IS A PROCESS WE GO THROUGH AND THINGS TAKE TIME.
AND IT IS ABOUT THE SAFETY TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE CORRECTLY.
AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT THERE'S THOSE FOLKS AT THE, UH, AT THE APARTMENTS THERE AT THE ADDISON AND KELLER SPRINGS.
THEY'RE GONNA SAY, ALL OF A SUDDEN, WHY ARE THESE BUSING COMING BY MY APARTMENT? AND WHERE'S THAT NOISE? I NEED TO CALL THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FREED AND SEE IF HE CAN FIX THIS FOR ME.
AND THE NEW APARTMENTS THAT ARE GONNA OPEN THAT AIRPORT PARKWAY, SAME THING.
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UM, IT'S JUST, UM, IT, IT'S YOU, YOU DON'T GET TO, YOU DON'T GET TO DO THIS HOWARD LIKE THIS.IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO, TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET THINGS DONE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.
PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE THINGS COMING TO MY BRAIN, BRAIN IN A MINUTE.
SO, BUT I'LL GO BACK TO MARLON.
YEAH, I, I LOOK AT A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
I SEE THIS DARK PROGRESS THING IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF FALSE THINGS IN HERE.
UM, AND, AND IT'S UPSETTING TO ME BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR TOWN AND TOOK THE TIME TO READ THIS, AND SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BELIEVE IT.
BUT, UM, UM, I I THINK WE COULD CONTINUE GOING DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE FOR THE NEXT HOUR.
WE COULD, UM, AND I THINK I COULD TAKE UP 30 MINUTES OF IT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS JUST VOTING ON THE RESOLUTION.
AND THEN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT MORE BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF AND I'D LOVE TO JUST A LOT TO DO, I'D LOVE TO JUST MOVE ON.
I THINK RANDY HAD COMMENTS AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A MOTION.
THAT'S THE DAY THAT, THAT, WHEN THAT DATE WAS THROWN OUT, THAT'S WHAT MADE THAT THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STAND UP.
I GO BACK AND THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING THIS RESOLUTION.
I GO BACK TO THE MEETING WHERE HANS MICHAEL WAS THERE AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN, MR. LEWIS, I THINK HIS NAME WAS, THEY BOTH SHOWED UP.
MR. LEWIS GOT A PHONE CALL AND HE WENT ABOUT 300 FEET AWAY FROM US AND SAT IN A CHAIR AND TALKED ON HIS PHONE THE ENTIRE TIME THE MEETING WAS GOING ON.
BUT AT THAT MEETING, MR. HANS, MICHAEL TELLS US AND HOWARD'S CORRECT, WE'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE, CAN YOU JUST TAKE THE BUSES OFF AT NIGHT SO PEOPLE CAN SLEEP? NOPE.
ALL OR NOTHING IS WAS HIS WORDS.
AND HE TOLD US AT THAT MEETING, HE SAID, THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN HAPPEN UNTIL THE BOARD MEETING ON SEPTEMBER THE 15TH.
AND ON SEPTEMBER THE 15TH IS WHEN THEY WOULD VOTE TO MOVE THAT THE ROUTES.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE ANOTHER 15 MONTHS OF TRAINING DRIVERS TO TAKE THE ROUTES OFF OF.
SO AT THAT MEETING, HE WAS TELLING US, WE WERE LOOKING AT ANOTHER TWO YEARS WITH THOSE BUSES GOING DOWN QUORUM.
SO WHEN THE DATE OF SEPTEMBER CAME OUT, I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF THESE CORPORATE MOVES THAT YEAH, WE'RE GONNA VOTE TO TAKE 'EM OFF.
AND TECHNICALLY THE ROUTES ARE GONE, BUT THE BUSES ARE STILL GONNA RUN UNTIL WE GET DRIVERS MOVED AND TRAINED ON THAT.
WELL, AT KABOOM TOWN, I LOOK UP AND THERE'S BUSES RUNNING UP AND DOWN ADDISON ROAD.
THAT'S A PRETTY EASY SWITCH FOR 'EM.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT CAN BE DONE AT A FLIP OF A SWITCH DURING OUR FESTIVALS AND THEN IT TAKES ALL THIS TIME.
SO SEPTEMBER THE 15TH, WHEN THAT DATE CAME UP, I THOUGHT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD HAVE THE MEETING AND GO THROUGH ALL THE PROCESSES TO CHANGE IT, NOT STOP RUNNING THE BUSES.
AND I THINK HOWARD WAS DOING THE APPROPRIATE THING BY TALKING TO OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
HE WAS TRYING TO TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING ADDISON, BEING OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON A BOARD NOT REPRESENTING DART.
WE WANT YOU TO HAVE, WE WANT OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR ADDISON RESIDENTS, NOT THE CORPORATION IN HANN.
UNTIL WE GET OUR OWN REPRESENTATIVE ON THAT BOARD, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE SEPTEMBER 15TH.
I WANNA SEE THESE BUSES MOVED AND I WANT A DATE PUT DOWN THAT THE BUSES PHYSICALLY GET OFF OF THAT STREET.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THESE OTHER RESIDENCES, QUORUM DRIVE FROM BELTLINE.
WE HAVE APARTMENTS AND WE HAVE OTHER RESIDENTS THERE.
I WANNA KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU THEY GONNA COME DOWN BELTLINE TO ARAPAHOE OR ARE THEY GOING TO STILL GO DOWN QUORUM TO, TO, UH, ARAPAHOE.
BUT THE MAIN ISSUE IN THE CIRCLE IS THAT IS A RE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT THE SOUND ECHOES OFF OF THESE BUILDINGS.
IT'S NOT LIKE GOING DOWN ADDISON ROAD TO WHERE THE SOUND CAN DISSIPATE.
THAT IS A HIGHLY HIGH DENSITY AREA THAT, THAT NOISE MAGNIFIES GOING THROUGH THAT AREA.
WELL, I DON'T THINK I'M HEARING ANYBODY SAYING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T CHANGE THE, UH, CHANGE THE ROUTES.
THAT SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY, PRETTY WIDE SUPPORT AMONG THE COUNCIL.
EVEN THOUGH I, I FEEL FOR THE FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY NEED TO RIDE IT EVERY DAY AND NOW IT'S ADDING AN EX AT LEAST AN EXTRA HALF A MILE EACH WAY FOR THEM TO WALK.
NOT TO MENTION CROSSING THE BUSY ROADS I'VE GOT, IT'S GONNA BE CLOSER FOR SOME, WELL,
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LET ME FINISH WHAT I'M SAYING, THEN I'LL COME TO YOU AND UM, AND, AND SO, BUT, BUT PART OF WHAT YOU SAID, RANDY, IS MY POINT IS THAT THE MEETINGS THAT YOU ALL WERE HAVING WITH DART STAFF AND LEADERSHIP, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR ROLE IS.
WE, WE SET POLICY, WE GO GET STAFF DIRECTION, STAFF GOES AND EXECUTES IT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THOSE MEETINGS Y'ALL WERE HAVING WERE NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF YOUR ROLE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT TO DO YET, DARREN.
UM, SO HOWARD, I'M A BEG FORGIVENESS GUY ALSO.
I'M GONNA GO PUSH EVERY BUTTON I CAN AND TALK TO EVERY PERSON I CAN.
WE DON'T MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THAT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PROCESS.
UM, I TOOK WHAT YOU DID AND I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID.
I DIDN'T LIKE SOME OF THE WAYS IT WENT.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, I THINK I TAKE IT AS, AND WE UH, I TAKE IT AS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE AND HOW WE, WE SHOULD NOT GO ABOUT THIS ROUTE NEXT TIME.
HOW DO WE DO IT? WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT? WHAT'S, HOW DO WE REPRESENT THE TOWN PROPERLY? HOW DO WE SIT IN OUR COUNCIL SEAT PROPERLY? SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WORK SESSION ITEM.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORK SESSION ITEM.
'CAUSE NOW WE'RE FORCED TO VOTE AND UH, IT'S SAUSAGE AND WE DIDN'T GET TO MAKE SAUSAGE.
WELL THAT'S WHAT I DON'T LIKE.
I DON'T LIKE GAME TIME DECISIONS.
I WANT TO HAVE TIME TO PROCESS IT AND PUT IT TOGETHER.
AND THEN WE COULD WRITE, HAVE A, A RESOLUTION THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO UH, VOTE POSITIVELY ON.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION REGARDING DART MOVING THE BUSES.
I SECOND THE MOTION ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS OF A MOTION.
AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OPPOSED? I THAT I NOT I DID NOT SAY.
SO WE HAVE TWO AYES OPPOSED? NAY.
THAT'S ALL OF OUR REGULAR ITEMS FOR TONIGHT.
WE HAVE TWO WORK SESSION ITEMS TO GO BACK TO.
SO WE HAVE COMPLETED ITEMS SIX B AND SIX D.
[a. Present and discuss the Cotton Belt Trail segment constructed in Addison.]
TO ITEM SIX A PRESENTED, DISCUSS THE COTTON BELT TRAIL SEGMENT CONSTRUCTED IN ADDISON.WELL, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE COTTON BELT TRAIL.
SO KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING, WHICH IS A LONG TIME AGO, ONE OF MY FIRST PROJECTS WHEN I GOT HERE WAS TO WORK TO GET THE COTTON BELT.
AND WHAT WAS THE COTTON BELT AT THE TIME? IT WAS BOTH THE TRAIL AND WHAT IS NOW TURNED INTO THE SILVER LINE.
SO THIS HAS BEEN PART OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TA, TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS PART OF THEIR MASTER UH, TRAIL SYSTEM PLAN SINCE 1996.
THEY COG STARTED WORKING WITH THE RTC AND DART TO GET THIS PLAN AND WHAT IS NOW THE COTTON BELT TRAIL PART OF LOCAL PRIORITIES, ADDING IT INTO THEIR TRAIL SYSTEM.
AND THE PROJECT REALLY WENT THROUGH BOTH COG, THE RGC, OUR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL, THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES, DALLAS COUNTY AND DART.
SO WHEN THIS PROJECT KICKED OFF, WE HAD SEVERAL GROUPS IN HERE.
SO COG BASICALLY MANAGED THE DESIGN OF THE LOCAL TRAIL SEGMENTS.
THEY DID THE REGIONAL PLANNING AND COORDINATION.
THEY HELPED SECURE FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING, UM, SUPPORT THE CITIES AND DART IN GRANT APPLICATIONS AND THEN ADVOCATED FOR THAT TRAIL CONTINUITY FROM CITY TO CITY.
UH, DART MANAGED THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE LOCAL TRAIL SEGMENTS.
UH, THEY OWN THE COTTON BELT CORRIDOR, WHICH IS NOW THE SILVER LINE.
THEY PROVIDED ACCESS AND EASEMENTS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WERE IN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN THEY ARE COORDINATING THE CONSTRUCTION AND ACTUALLY ARE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION
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CONTRACT.AND THEN THE TOWN OF ADDISON, THE SAME AS MOST OF MUNICIPALITIES ALONG THAT TRAIL PROVIDED ACCESS AND EASEMENTS FOR THE TRAIL DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT WASN'T IN DART'S RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE LOCAL TRAIL SEGMENTS, ADDING IN ANY AMENITIES, KEEPING THOSE AMENITIES, UM, COLLABORATE WITH DART AND COG ON ALIGNMENT AND FUNDING AND THEN INTEGRATE OUR LOCAL HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL, UH, WITH THIS PLAN.
SO GOING BACK IN 2017 IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED THE DISCUSSION.
UH, AND THE TOWN OF ADDISON STARTED WORKING HARD ON THE COTTON BELT, BOTH THE RAIL AND THE TRAIL.
UM, SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE AROUND BACK THEN, I KNOW, UH, THE MAYOR, WE WENT DOWN TO DART IN OUR ORANGE OR OUR YELLOW SHIRTS THAT SAID WE ARE READY FOR THIS.
AND SO WE STARTED THAT PROCESS.
IN MAY OF 2018, COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION THAT SUPPORTED DART'S SERVICE PLAN FOR BOTH THE RAIL AND FOR THE TRAIL PROJECT.
AND THEN, UM, APPROVE, NOT APPROVED, BUT SUPPORTED THE FINDINGS OF THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY.
SO, UM, I'LL GO INTO THE BEST DETAIL I CAN, NOT BEING AN ENGINEER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT BEING PART OF THE FEDERAL RAIL, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH DO THIS FEDERAL IMPACT STUDY.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO SHOW BASICALLY YOUR ENTIRE ALIGNMENT, HOW EVERYTHING'S GOING TO GO AND HOW EVERYTHING'S GONNA GO IN THAT CORRIDOR.
SO THAT DRAFT IMPACT ANALYSIS SHOWED BOTH THE ALIGNMENT OF THE TRAIL AND THE ALIGNMENT OF THE RAIL AS IT WAS PROPOSED AT THE TIME.
AND THEN IN OCTOBER, THE RTC APPROVED THE USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS FOR THE ENGINEERING AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE COST FOR THE TRAIL AT THE TIME.
SO IN NOVEMBER OF 2018, THE FEASIBILITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WAS SENT OUT.
UH, THINGS THAT IMPACTED US WOULD BE ADDISON WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE PART OF THIS ALIGNMENT WAS HAVING A ABOVE GRADE CROSSING AT MIDWAY.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT WAS GETTING PEDESTRIANS ACROSS MIDWAY WITH THE RAIL.
THEY WANTED TO GO ABOVE GRADE.
THE TOWN WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE COMPLIMENTING ARCH.
WE DIDN'T WANNA TAKE AWAY FROM THAT KIND OF ICONIC PART OF ADDISON.
UM, WE IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL QUIET ZONES.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AREA DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE BELLS AND WHISTLES.
UM, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS WITH CONNECTIONS TO ADDISON STATION.
AND THEN THE TRAIL ALIGNMENT OBJECTIVES, WHICH IS MEETING THAT 12 FOOT WIDE.
IT HAD TO BE UM, IT WOULD BE A DARK RIGHT OF WAY WHERE IT COULD, SOMETIMES IT WOULD BE AN R RIGHT OF WAY OR WE WOULD HELP GET RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN, UH, IT NEEDED TO BE BASICALLY 25 FOOT OFF THE CENTER LINE OF THE DART RAIL AND NOT IN A DRAINAGE DITCH.
IN JULY OF 2019, UM, WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED, I THINK I PRESENTED ONE OF THEM AND CHARLES PRESENTED THE OTHER, UH, PRESENTED TWO AGENDA ITEMS. THAT ONE WAS AN UPDATE ON BOTH THE RAIL AND THE TRAIL PORTION.
AND THE OTHER WAS A LOCAL MATCH OF 307,000.
SO AT THE TIME WE HAD COST ESTIMATES FROM COG SAYING WHAT THEY THOUGHT THE COST FOR CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE.
AND FOR THIS SEGMENT WE WERE GOING TO DO A LOCAL MATCH IN CONJUNCTION WITH DALLAS COUNTY.
AND SO WE APPROVED A RESOLUTION THAT SAID WE WOULD DO OUR $307,000 LOCAL MATCH.
BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ON THAT THIRD BRIDGE, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, THAT IT WOULD HAVE OUR ARCH.
UM, AND WE IDENTIFIED THAT LIGHTING WAS NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT AND WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL AMENITIES.
SO GOING THROUGH 2020 RTC APPROVED, UH, $6.7 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR DESIGN.
AND IN NOVEMBER OF 2020 THERE WAS A NOTICE TO PROCEED FOR THE TRAIL ENGINEERING DESIGN.
SO AS STAFF DURING THIS TIME, WE ARE UPDATING COUNCIL.
WE ACTUALLY INCLUDED THIS PORTION AS PART OF THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN.
SO WHEN COUNCIL ADOPTED THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN IN MAY OF 2021, IT WAS WITH THE COTTON BELT ALIGNMENT AS YOU SEE HERE.
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IDENTIFIED THAT THE TRAIL WIDTH WOULD BE 12 FOOT.UM, WE HAD A PROPOSAL OF 14 FOOT BETWEEN ADDISON ROAD AND QUORUM DRIVE.
WE SAID THAT WE WERE GONNA ADD AMENITIES, BENCHES, SHADE, BIKING, UH, PARKING FOUNTAINS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
UM, AND IT WOULD CONNECT THE FUTURE TRAIL THROUGH THE ARAPAHOE PARK.
SO THIS DIAGRAM WAS ACTUALLY IN, IS IN OUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN, UM, 2021 BUDGET.
WE ACTUALLY ADD IN THE 307,000 THAT IS OUR MATCH.
STAFF REVIEW THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING SIGNALS RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND THEN WE GET THROUGH AUGUST AND COG FINDS OUT IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE ANTICIPATED FOR THE TRAIL.
AND SO STAFF DISCUSSED DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR HOW THIS IS FUNDED.
COG CAME IN AND SAID, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS WAY MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED, SO WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU GET FUNDING BOTH THROUGH RTC AND COG PROGRAMS AND OTHER FEDERAL PROGRAMS AND WE'LL HELP YOU THROUGH ALL THIS.
SO IN UM, WE WENT FOR A REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE GRANT.
AND THEN IN DECEMBER OF 2022 WE WERE AWARDED THE TOWN AND DART WERE AWARDED 12.2 MILLION FOR THIS.
THE MONEY DID NOT COME TO THE TOWN.
IT GOES DIRECTLY TO DART AS THE OVERSEER OF THE PROJECT AND THE ONE THAT HANDLES CONSTRUCTION.
AND THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL LOCAL MATCH THAT WAS REQUIRED FROM THE TOWN.
SO IN 2023, THERE'S COMMUNITY MEETINGS THROUGH DART TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIL ALIGNMENT.
UH, DART APPROVED THE AGREEMENT WITH COG TO CONSTRUCT PHASE TWO OF THE COTTON BELT TRAIL.
AND THEN IN MAY COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION, UH, GOING FOR A GRANT FOR PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THE, UM, THE SURVEYOR TO THE NTTA PORTION OF THE TRAIL.
AND THIS IS WHERE OUR $307,000 MATCH COMES IN.
SO THAT SAME ONE THAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR IN 21 AND FY 21, THIS IS WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING IN, IN SEPTEMBER.
DARTS AWARDED ANOTHER $7.1 MILLION THAT WE'LL DO THAT PHASE TWO PORTION OF THE TRAIL.
SO AT THIS POINT, COUNCIL, WE APPROVE AN INTERLOCAL TO GIVE THEM OUR PORTION OF THE MATCH AND WE START ACQUIRING RIGHT OF WAY.
WE REALIZED THAT THERE WAS A EXPLORER PIPELINE THAT WENT UNDERNEATH WHERE THE FOOTINGS OF THE, UM, ABOVE CROSSING TRAIL WOULD BE.
AND SO WE HAD TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM EXPLORER PIPELINE.
SO COUNCIL APPROVED THAT AND THEN WE MOVED FORWARD IN 2024 ALSO GETTING IMMINENT DOMAIN AND MOVING FORWARD ON TWO OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY.
AND SO WE HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON BROADWAY AND A PIECE OF, UH, PROPERTY ON MARSH THAT WE GOT RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE TRAIL TO GO THROUGH.
UM, MAY OF 25 IS OUR LAST COUNCIL ACTION WHERE COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION THAT SUPPORTED DART'S APPLICATION TO SEEK FUNDING, UH, FOR PHASE THREE, THE LAST PORTION OF THE TRAIL THAT DID NOT HAVE FUNDING YET.
AND THEN WE ALSO GAVE ANOTHER UPDATE AND FACILITATE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRAIL ALIGNMENT.
AND THEN IN JUNE, CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE TWO BEGAN MOVING FORWARD.
SO KIND OF A PROJECT RECAP, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING 'CAUSE CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCE DOESN'T NECESSARILY GO IN LINE WITH THE PROJECT PHASES.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW PHASE TWO, WHICH IS SURVEYOR TO THE CITY LIMITS, UM, IT IS FUNDED.
THAT IS OUR $307,000 MATCH THAT WE HAVE GIVEN OVER CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE AND CONSTRUCTIONS UNDERWAY ON PHASE TWO.
PHASE ONE, WHICH IS THE MIDWAY BRIDGE SECTION.
UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET FUNDING FOR THE 12.2 MILLION.
THE TOWN DID NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE OF OUR 300,000 AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE WITH CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN PHASE THREE MARCH TO SURVEYOR, UM, DO NOT HAVE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ON THAT YET.
BUT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE AND APPLICATIONS
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HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR FUNDING FOR THAT WITH COG AND DART GUARANTEEING THAT ANY OVERRUNS FROM WHAT WE GET WILL NOT BE CHARGED BACK TO THE TOWN.SO DART AND COG WILL TAKE CARE OF WHATEVER COSTS THAT AREN'T FUNDED THROUGH GRANT MONEY.
SO JUST TO REVIEW KIND OF WHAT THE TRAIL ALIGNMENT IS.
SO WE'VE GOT CITY LIMITS TO QUORUM DRIVE.
SO STARTING AT THE TOLLWAY, UM, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH, SO WE'VE GOT SPECTRUM MCINTYRE AND THE TRANSITION JUST TO NOTE THE TRANSITION FROM MCINTYRE AND SPECTRUM, THE EXISTING BRICK PATHWAY WILL STAY IN PLACE.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA LOOK AT OPTIONS OF THE TRAIL PORTION THAT WILL BE ON STREET PAINTING IT.
I'M GONNA SAY BLUE WHILE BECKY'S LOOKING AT ME, BUT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT OPTIONS TO HOPEFULLY MAKE IT THE, THE ADDISON BLUE DIDN'T GET TO TALK TO HER ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK, BUT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT TRYING TO PAINT IT THE ADDISON BLUE, BUT IT WILL BE STRIPED.
IT'LL BE IN TYPICAL ADDISON FASHION, BUT THIS PORTION OF MCINTYRE WILL STAY THE SAME.
AND THEN THIS IS FROM CORN DRIVE TO ADDISON ROAD AND WE DO HAVE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT SHOWS HERE, BUT A 14 WIDE, 14 FOOT WIDE, UH, PATH.
AND THEN WE HAVE A BUMP OUT FOR A CONNECTION TO THE FUTURE TOD AREA.
AND THEN HERE'S ADDISON ROAD TO MIDWAY AND THEN MIDWAY TO SURVEYOR, WHICH SHOWS THE ELEVATED BRIDGE.
AND AT THE BRIDGE, THE OVERHEAD UTILITIES WILL GO AWAY AT THE BRIDGE AND THEN SURVEYOR TO MARSH.
AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN AN ANSWER, I DON'T THINK YET ON IF THOSE UTILITIES ARE STAYING OR GOING AWAY.
THEY ARE STAYING, THOSE UTILITIES ARE STAYING OVERHEAD.
UTILITIES, I'M SORRY, THE POWER LINES ARE STAYING.
OF COURSE WE'LL KEEP ALL THE OTHER UTILITIES.
SO FOR OUR CURRENT STATUS, PHASE ONE, WHICH IS THE MIDWAY BRIDGE SECTION, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN JANUARY OF 2026.
UM, CHANGES TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, ON ANY OF THESE SINCE DESIGN IS DONE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO DART.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THEIR ENGINEER.
THE ENGINEER COSTS SO MUCH TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND CHANGE DESIGN.
THEN ARCHER WESTERN, WHO IS THE DART ENGINEER OR DART CONSTRUCTION, ALSO CHARGES ANOTHER FEE ON TOP OF THAT FOR ANY CHANGES.
SO WHEN ON THESE THAT ARE ALREADY DESIGNED, AGAIN, THERE COULD BE SUB, I WOULD ANTICIPATE SUBSTANTIAL COSTS.
PHASE TWO SURVEYOR TO NTTA DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
FUNDING HAS BEEN APPROVED, CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY.
WE COULD DO MINOR FIELD DIRECTIVES.
UM, I SHOULD SAY WE COULD SUGGEST MINOR FIELD DIRECTIVES.
WE WOULD NEED TO SEE IF THEY CONSIDER THOSE MINOR, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AMENABLE TO THAT.
UM, ANY CHANGES THAT REGARDING AASHTO CRITERIA THAT THEY GOT THEIR FEDERAL FUNDING ON COULD IMPACT THEIR FUNDING AND CHANGES TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
BEYOND FIELD CHANGE DIRECTIVES, UH, WOULD BASICALLY ANY OVERAGES WOULD BE CHARGED BACK TO THE TOWN.
AND THEN PHASE THREE, MARCH TO SURVEYOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE.
FUNDING APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT FUNDING YET.
AGAIN, MINOR FIELD DIRECTIVE CHANGES ARE POSSIBLE, BUT THE SAME, ANYTHING, ANY CHANGES TO THE AASHTO REQUIREMENTS COULD AFFECT THEIR FEDERAL FUNDING.
AND ANY CHANGES TO DESIGN THE TOWN WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, UH, OR TO CONSTRUCTION.
THE TOWN WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE CHANGES AND THE COST ASSOCIATED.
SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS, ON THE COTTON BELT.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR? I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, ASHLEY, THANK YOU THAT, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
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WE WALKED IT BACK AND FORTH, BUT WHEN YOU GET YOU, YOU CROSS OVER MARSH TO CARROLLTON MM-HMMDO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY INSIGHT AS TO ARE THEY WORKING ON THIS? LIKE WE ARE, WE KNOW, UH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? ARE THEY WORKING ON IT LIKE WE ARE? WELL, ARE THEY BUILDING A COTTON BELT TRAIL LIKE WE ARE? YES, THEY ARE.
ALL THE CITIES ALONG THE COTTON BELT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE COTTON BELT TRAIL.
AND AND DO WE KNOW IF THEY'RE KIND OF ON THE SAME, A SIMILAR TIMELINE? SO ACTUALLY OUR PORTION OF THE COTTON BELT TRAIL IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED FIRST.
WE, YES, WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED FIRST.
SO AND MOSTLY FIRST, FIRST BEFORE CARROLLTON OR FIRST BEFORE ALL THE CITIES.
I BELIEVE THE FIRST BEFORE ALL THE CITIES COME THAT JENNA
WELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, JUST FOR NUANCE, BECAUSE IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE CITIES, YOU MAY SEE CONSTRUCTION ON THE TRAIL BEGINNING.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD OUR SECTION AND NOT WORK ON ANY OTHER SECTIONS.
UM, BUT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO FINISHING AND PRIORITIZING THE ADDISON SECTION WHERE IT IS FINISHED FIRST.
FIRST BEFORE ALL THE OTHER CITIES.
YEAH, I JUST, WE, MANY OF US HAVE BEEN OVER THERE AND JUST LOOKING OVER ON THE CARROLLTON SIDE, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS, UH, TROUBLESOME JUST NAVIGATING THROUGH ALL OF THAT STUFF.
BUT IF YOU CAN DO IT, UH, CREATING FUTURE TRAILS ALONG THE ENCORE EASEMENT, UH, COULD BE AMAZING FOR ALL THE CITIES CONNECTED TO IT.
UM, AND THEN SO ON, ON PHASE TWO, DID AND IF, CAN WE GO TO THAT, THAT SLIDE IF WE COULD PLEASE? DID, DID WE, UH, AND I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE, THE 13 13TH.
UM, WHERE WE'RE, WE GO FROM, WE'RE TRAVERSING WEST AND THEN YOU, YOU CROSS, YOU CROSS SPECTRUM.
UM, DID, DID STAFF WORK AT ALL WITH, WITH THE, THE OTHER PARTIES AS FAR AS TRYING TO, TO FIGURE OUT IF WE COULD STAY OFF MCINTYRE PLACE? CAN YOU HELP ME? REMIND ME ON THAT? I JUST, I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE A, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A WATER, UM, WATER DRAINAGE.
DID YOU LOOK AT LIKE ANY OPTIONS OF LIKE BUILDING ALL OF THAT? SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S A, THAT THAT'S A OBSTACLE RIGHT THERE.
IT'S NOT WHAT WAS IN THE PLAN.
WE COULD LOOK AT OPTIONS, BUT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY DART AND WHAT NOT, WHAT WAS IN THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WOULD ULTIMATELY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
AND SO DART WOULD CONTINUE ON WITH IT ALONG MCINTYRE PLACE AND IF THE TOWN WANTED TO COME IN AND LOOK AT WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE, BUT THERE IS A DRAINAGE SWELL THAT WOULD MAKE THAT A LITTLE DIFFICULT RIGHT THERE.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THE TOWN COULD COME IN AND LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR.
BUT DART WOULD NOT MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT.
AND SO IN THAT SAME STRETCH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH, UH, THE TRAIL ON MCINTYRE PLACE, IT'S REALLY NOTHING MAJOR, RIGHT? IT'S MORE MINOR WITH PAINT AND, AND RIGHT.
ARMADILLO, HUMPS AND SO FORTH.
I MEAN IT'S NOTHING RIGHT ALONG MCINTYRE.
IT WOULD BE SOME SORT OF DELINEATORS, BE IT THE ARMADILLOS WHATEVER, WHATEVER OPTIONS WE CAME UP WITH.
SO WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE THE OPTION LATER IF WE CHOSE OF COURSE.
UM, AND THEN, THEN THE MOST IMPORTANT UH, PHASE IS PHASE ONE.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT, BUT, BUT AS FAR AS UNDERGROUNDING, THE UTILITIES, UM, I'M VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT.
DO WE KNOW WHO PAYS FOR THAT? DART WILL DARDEN CO.
AND THEN DO WE HAVE, UM, HAVE WE, YOU KNOW, WE SENT THIS DESIGN AND IT GOT AWARDED NUMBER ONE I BELIEVE, UM, UH, WITH NORTH NORTH TEXAS CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
DID, HAS THAT BEEN SHARED WITH CITY COUNCIL? WHATEVER, WHATEVER WAS PRESENTED TO, TO NORTH TEXAS CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS? SO THE QUORUM PROJECT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS VOTED NUMBER ONE.
THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER MIDWAY.
AND SO WHATEVER WE PRESENTED TO THE NORTH, NORTH TEXAS CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, IS THAT, CAN THAT BE PROVIDED TO US? HAS THAT BEEN PROVIDED ALREADY? DAVID? I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
I JUST WOULD LOVE TO KIND OF SEE WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A AMAZING, THE MO THE MOST AMAZING PART OF THE TRAIL, SO I'M JUST EXCITED ABOUT SEEING IT.
YES, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A RESOLUTION AND I'VE GOT IT HERE THAT WE CAN SEND OUT THAT HAS, UM, THE INFORMATION ATTACHED TO IT FOR THAT FUNDING.
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YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS OTHER THAN ME MAYBE.I'M ALSO ONE THAT HAS WALKED THIS ACTUALLY FOUR TIMES AND EVERY TIME I WALK THIS I SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH IT.
UM, THIS, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I'VE TRIED TO LOOK AT ON PAPER AND ON PLANS AND IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS GOING OUT THERE AND, AND LOOKING AND, AND ACTUALLY DOING IT.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MCINTYRE TAKING OUR ROAD AWAY.
NOW MY FIRST QUESTION, LET'S JUST START AT THE END AT THE TOLLWAY.
THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE BRIDGE ACROSS THE TOLLWAY TO WALK ACROSS THERE.
IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING DANGEROUS, GO OVER THERE AND TRY TO WALK ACROSS THE TOLLWAY AND GET ONTO THAT BRIDGE AND GO BOTH DIRECTIONS.
WHAT ARE, WHAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE WITH SAFETY THERE? IF YOU'VE GOT A BICYCLE RIDER COMING DOWN THERE AT 20 MILES AN HOUR AND HE JUST SHOOTS ACROSS THAT, THAT UH, TOLL ROAD SERVICE ROADS WHERE THE CARS ARE DRIVING 50 MILES AN HOUR WITH NO RED LIGHTS OR ANYTHING.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE THERE? SO, UH, AND THIS IS NOT, I WILL TELL YOU IT'S BETTER IF YOU GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT.
SO NO TRAIL ACTUALLY ALREADY HAS THE SIGNALS AND THE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING OUT THAT WE WILL HAVE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TOLL WAVE.
SO GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS ON THE SERVICE ROAD AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PICTURE TRIES TO SHOW.
SO THERE WILL BE, UM, PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL FOR BOTH CROSSING BOTH DIRECTIONS OF THE TOLLWAY.
AND SO AS A PEDESTRIAN, I'M SORRY, WILL THERE BE THE ARMS, LIKE AT THE, AT SURVEYOR WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY ARMS GONNA COME DOWN FOR THE TRAIN? IS THERE ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE BICYCLIST? DOES THE ARMS COME DOWN? I DON'T THINK THE ARMS COME DOWN FOR THE BICYCLES.
YOU DID, BUT IT ALLOWS THE BICYCLES.
I'M SORRY, NOT BELTWAY BELT LINE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS WHEN YOU'RE COMING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE, I ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF YOU ACTIVATE THE SIGNAL AND THEN YOU'RE RIDING ACROSS, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE STOPPING THE TRAFFIC ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THAT IT'S GIVING YOU ENOUGH TIME IF YOU'RE A CYCLIST OR IF YOU'RE A WALKER, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT PACES TO GET THROUGH.
UM, AND THAT IS THE PLAN THAT THERE IS A DELAY AND IT GIVES THEM TIME TO GET ACROSS FROM THE BRIDGE.
AND BOTH OF THOSE SIGNALS ON EITHER SIDE SPEAK TO EACH OTHER.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE BACKING TRAFFIC UP ALONG THAT THERE, THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES DOWN THOSE.
SO LET ME JUST CUT TO THE CHASE.
WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH DART STAYING ON THEIR RIGHT OF WAY AND MAKING A STRAIGHT TRAIL LIKE THEY WANNA MAKE, I UNDERSTAND THE DITCH, BUT ALL DOWN WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY, THE SAME DITCH EXISTS.
AND IF WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOME RIGHT OF WAY, GIVE IT TO THEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PAVERS TO WHERE IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT ON THIS SIDE OF THE DITCH.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY WE KEEP WANTING TO PUT BICYCLES ON OUR STREETS WHERE CARS ARE DESIGNED TO GO.
AND I KNOW THAT IS A MINOR ROAD THAT THERE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC.
BUT LET ME JUST SAY THIS GOING FORWARD, I DON'T WANT A BICYCLE ON, I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANY CAR LANE FOR A BICYCLE SPECIFIC.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T STAY ON THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
I HAVE A, AND MY OTHER REAL ISSUE IS ONCE YOU CROSS ADDISON ROAD WHERE THEY WANT TO COME OVER AND WE'VE GOT THE BEAUTIFUL, UH, WI WINDING PATH PATHWAYS, THEY WANT TO TEAR THOSE UP AND PUT ANOTHER PATH RIGHT OVER THERE.
THAT SEEMS LIKE DOUBLE WORK TO ME.
IT'S HARDER TO TEAR SOMETHING UP, PREP THE GROUND AND REBUILD SOMETHING THAN IT IS TO BUILD A NEW ONE AND LEAVE THOSE WINDING TRAIL THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE BEAUTIFUL TREES.
LEAVE IT ALONE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WALK.
I DON'T, I, I'M JUST BLOWN AWAY THAT THEY'RE NOT ON THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT WE'RE GONNA GIVE OUR LAND UP AND OUR, AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS NOT NEEDED.
THAT THEY CAN STAY ON THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
OTHER QUESTIONS? WAS THAT, WAS THERE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION OR, I DIDN'T MEAN IT JUST TO BE, EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT WAS IT'S ACTUALLY A QUESTION.
WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WHY DON'T THEY STAY ON THERE RIGHT OF WAY? WHY DO THEY HAVE TO COME OVER AND TEAR OUR SIDEWALKS UP TO BUILD A NEW BICYCLE ON, ON YOU TALKING ABOUT MCINTYRE?
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NO, NO, NO.WE, THE, WE'RE THE WINDY SID ROCKS ARE THROUGH THE OAK TREES.
RIGHT? SO PART OF IT IS THEY, AND WE'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE WIDTH TO GET THE FEDERAL FUNDING.
IT HAS TO BE A WIDER, A WIDER ROUTE.
AND IT HAS, IT CAN'T BE CURVY THE WAY THAT IT IS.
SO TO GET THE FEDERAL FUNDING, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT IN INFLUENCED THE DESIGN.
UM, SO TO CHANGE THAT, WE CAN GO TO 'EM AND SAY, HEY, CAN WE DO A WIDE A A, CAN WE HAVE ANOTHER WHINY PATH THAT DOES SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE SAME PATH THAT WE HAVE NOW? WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT LEAVE OUR SIDEWALK ALONE ON OUR LAND AND PUT THE STRAIGHT TRAIL THAT THEY WANT.
PUT IT ON THEIR RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE TRACKS.
AND IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANNA DO THAT, WE CAN GO GET THE COST FOR THAT AND BRING IT BACK.
I DON'T WANT, WELL THAT WOULD FALL SQUARELY INTO, I DON'T WANT IT IF IT'S FREE.
THEY ARE WANTING TO FUND THIS, THIS IS THEIR PROJECT.
THERE'S BEEN NO GROUND BROKEN.
THEY CAN MAKE A STRAIGHT PATH EASIER THAN THEY CAN BULLDOZE OURS UP AND MAKE A STRAIGHT PATH WHERE THAT ONE IS STRAIGHT DOWN.
THAT THAT EASEMENT AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME.
RANDY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DO.
I'VE GOT A, JUST, AND RANDY TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, I, I'VE WALKED IT SEVERAL TIMES AND, YOU KNOW, JUST ON FOOT TRYING TO CROSS THE PARKWAY IS REALLY DIFFICULT.
'CAUSE THIS VIEW, THOSE CARS, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY ARE THOSE CROSSWALKS OR CROSSING IS GONNA BE, I'M SORRY, WHICH PARKWAY? UH, DALLAS PARKWAY.
THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE TOLLWAY, UH, TOLLWAY.
IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY? IS IT DARK'S RESPONSIBILITY? DO WE HAVE A SAY IN WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THAT, THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT.
AND, AND IT'S THAT INTERSECTION, IT'S ADDISON ROAD BECAUSE THAT GETS KIND OF BUSY AS WELL.
SO ADDISON ROAD IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WORK WITH THEM ON.
THE CROSSING OVER THE TOLLWAY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
SEE WHERE IT SHOWS THAT THE TOTAL, SO THAT IS WHERE OUR CITY LIMITS IS.
SO NOW THAT TO SAY WE DO WORK WITH DALLAS 'CAUSE THAT TURNS INTO DALLAS CITY LIMITS, WE DO WORK WITH DART.
SO, SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SAY, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY BE INVOLVED AND WORK WITH THEM.
BUT THAT DOES TURN INTO DALLAS CITY LIMITS BECAUSE I, I THINK THE TRAIL'S A GREAT IDEA.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FORWARD MORE TO THE TRAIL THAN THE TRAIN.
BUT, BUT WE DO NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR THAT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW DRIVING ON MIDWAY THE NORTH HAVEN TRAIL,
THEY DO THE PUSH THE BUTTON, THEN THE LIGHTS, THE LIGHTS BLINK.
AND THEN, UH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON RANDY'S QUESTION ON THE PATH ON ARAPAHOE, I, I'VE LOOKED AT THE MAP.
I'VE WALKED THAT AREA TO, I DON'T KNOW AS YOU'RE, SO THE, THE TRAIL'S GONNA BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRA OF THE TERRAIN TRACKS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HEAD SOUTH ON ASIN ROAD, MAKE A JOG OVER ARAPAHOE AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WHE WHERE WILL IT CONNECT TO THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AT YEAH, GOING THIS WAY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET ON AND THEN THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS TO, SO WE'RE KIND OF STARTS TO HAVE THE HATCH LINE.
THIS IS WHERE THE BRIDGE WILL START TO GO UP.
SO AND SO OUR TRAIL THROUGH HERE WILL CONTINUE.
SO THE TRAIL AT GRAY WILL CONTINUE.
SO THIS IS AT THE MIDWAY BRIDGE GOES UP, THIS IS WHERE THE BRIDGE WILL COME UP IN BETWEEN THE BRIDGE OR BRIDGE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, IS THERE STILL A TRAIL? THERE'S AN HIGH GRAY TRAIL AND IT SHOWS HOW THE TRAIL CONNECTS INTO THAT.
SO THE REST OF OUR TRAIL CONNECTIONS STAY THE WAY THAT THEY ARE.
AND THEN AS IT COMES DOWN, WALK ACROSS MIDWAY ROAD, THERE'S A TRAIL THAT GOES ACROSS MIDWAY ROAD, GROUND LEVEL, GRADE LEVEL.
IT GOES WHERE IT CONNECTS AT MIDWAY AND THEN IT GOES BACK SOUTH DOWN MIDWAY THERE IS NOT THERE.
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ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MIDWAY.AND SO OUR CURRENT TRAIL CONNECTS.
WE DID THIS IN A WEIRD WAY THAT HASN'T BEEN MESSED UP.
SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN AND THEN IT GOES, SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR AT GRADE RIGHT HERE AND THEN IT CONNECTS AND GOES DOWN MIDWAY? THERE IS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A TRAIL THAT CONNECTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
CURRENTLY I ALWAYS WALKED OVER THE BLUE BRIDGE SO I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WASN'T RIGHT.
AND THAT SMALL PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE WILL STILL BE ON THE, ON THE WHEELER BRIDGE.
SO WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A WAY TO KEEP THAT PATH, THAT WINDY PATH.
BUT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT CONNECT WITH THE BRIDGE.
BUT WHAT DO WE DO? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A PATH OVER THE BRIDGE.
HOW IS THAT GONNA CONNECT FOR FOLKS THAT STILL WANNA WALK OVER THE BRIDGE? WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO THIS NEW TRAIL? YES.
IT WILL ALL STILL COME DOWN AND CONNECT INTO EACH OTHER.
SO REALLY THE ONLY PART, IT'S BASICALLY STARTING RIGHT ABOUT HERE IS WHERE IT WILL TAKE OVER OUR EXISTING, IT'S JUST FROM HERE TO HERE.
SO THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE WILL STILL CONNECT INTO THAT SIDEWALK AND THEN THE NEW BRIDGE WILL CONNECT INTO THAT SIDEWALK JUST AT A DIFFERENT SPOT.
COULD WE GET UM, MORE LIKE THE DRAWINGS, THE, THAT THEY'RE PLANT ACTUALLY PLANNING? 'CAUSE THIS THIS THICK YELLOW LINE REALLY IS, DOESN'T GIVE A LOT OF DETAIL AND THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE, I THINK WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRYING TO FILL IN THE BLANKS AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE DETAILS.
AND IT MAY BE THAT THESE FIELD CHANGES WITH AN ENGINEER FROM YES.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE, SO WE HAVE SOME WAY MORE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS THAT WE DIDN'T, UH, JANA WAS GREAT AND ACTUALLY WENT IN AND KIND OF TOOK THE, UH, THE AERIALS AND WAS ABLE TO KIND OF DRAW US IN A LINE FOR THOSE OF YOU LIKE ME THAT NEED LIKE THE VISUAL MARKERS, HERE'S A MUCH MORE, THIS ONE'S FURTHER EAST OF THIS.
SO THAT'S, IS THAT MARSH? THAT'S MARSH.
WE'RE WE'RE GOING WAY EAST, UH, TO WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WINDY TRAIL THEREBY, UH, ADDISON ROAD.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE SURVEYOR IS, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE, THEY'RE RIGHT OF WAY IS THE WIDE RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE WHERE THE BRIDGE COMES DOWN.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE WINDY TRAILS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THE WINDY TRAIL? THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE IT MAY BE THAT FIELD'S, SORRY, YOU'RE GOING RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S IT, ISN'T IT? SO THEY'RE, AND SO DOES IT SHOW THAT THEY'RE DEMOLISHING IT? IS THAT THEIR PLAN? SO THE RED LINE IS THE DART RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN, UH, CAN YOU GO NO, THAT'S THE RIGHT ONE.
SO HERE, SO IF YOU SEE LIKE, HERE'S THE TRAIL, OUR TRAIL AND IT WILL WIND AND THEN GO STRAIGHT THROUGH HERE.
SO SEPARATE QUESTION, I I I THINK THE TRAIL'S NICE.
I'VE BEEN ON IT SEVERAL TIMES AND JUST MOST RECENTLY WALKING THE WHOLE UH, BUS, UH, THE WHOLE COTTON BELT LINE, UM, I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREES.
I WANNA KEEP OUR TREES IF POSSIBLE.
AND IS THAT, ARE THEY KEEPING TREES? OKAY.
THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF WHAT DROVE THE DECISION TO PULL THE WIDER TRAIL BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UM, WHICH THEN MEANT THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE TO COMPLY WITH ASTRO STANDARDS.
BUT THE DIRECTION THAT WE GAVE WAS, UM, STAY FAR AWAY FROM THE TREES AS YOU CAN.
AND IF WE START TO CURVE, WE'RE GETTING INTO TREE ROOTS BECAUSE IT'S A WIDER TRAIL.
UM, AND PROTECT THE TREES AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE THE LIGHTS THAT ARE THERE.
BUT WE WILL STORE THEM AND WE CAN PUT THEM BACK, PUT 'EM BACK.
AND THEN BACK OVER THERE, UH, TOWARDS THE UM, UH, TOWARDS THE TOLLWAY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ROAD THAT'S GETTING, UH, TAKEN OVER.
CAN WE LOOK AT THOSE, UM, DRAWINGS? I MEAN I SAW THE SAME DRAINAGE DITCH AND MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE A DART ENGINEER HERE, HE CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
HE SHE CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WHOEVER IT IS.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THE REASON THEY CAME OVER ON THAT STREET, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH RIGHT.
AND UM, 'CAUSE IT'S RIGHT ON THE DITCH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND IN ADDITION, THERE'S ALSO, UH, A PIPELINE THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
I THINK BECKY DIVINING, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IN ENGINEERING.
I THINK ONE THING TO MENTION TOO THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IS THE DART RIGHT OF WAY HAS CERTAIN SAFETY RESTRICTIONS.
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ACTUALLY HAS REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT YOU CAN BUILD AND CANNOT BUILD WITHIN ITS RIGHT OF WAY.TYPICALLY THOSE AREAS OF CONSTRUCTION ARE FROM CENTER LINE OF RAILROAD TO THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY 50 FEET EACH WAY.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THINGS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, DART TOOK A VERY HARD LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS TO SEE WHAT COULD BE PUT IN THOSE AREAS AND WHAT COULD NOT BE PUT IN THOSE AREAS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL DEAL WITH WITH EVERY SINGLE RAILROAD THAT YOU'LL EVER WORK ON OR EVER BE A PART OF, UH, INCLUDING FLAGGING AND ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION THAT HAPPENS.
AND WHENEVER I SAY RIGHT AWAY, I MEAN ALL OF THAT, I'M JUST DUMBING IT DOWN TO MYSELF.
LIMITATIONS WHERE YOU CAN'T 'CAUSE IT, IT IS LIKE THREE OR FOUR FEET LESS, UM, LESS WIDE THAN THE, THE OTHER SECTION OF THAT.
UM, I MEASURED IT AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE LIMITATIONS ARE, ARE THE SHOWSTOPPERS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I, I, THIS HAS BEEN LIKE DECIDED BACK IN 2019 WHEN WE AGREED TO, TO SOME OF THIS DESIGN.
AND UM, I DON'T LIKE ALL OF IT, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT AS, AS IT'S WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, THE, THE FINAL GONNA LOOK LIKE.
I I, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYING YES, GO DO IT.
I I DON'T FULLY TRUST DART, UM, OR WHO WHOEVER'S DESIGNING IT.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE.
SOMETIMES WE HAVE A CHOICE, SOMETIMES WE DON'T TRUST.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, BUT THAT'S MYSELF.
AND IF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T AGREE ON THAT LEVEL OF UH, INVOLVEMENT, UM, THEN I UNDERSTAND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? UH, I THINK I, I'M GOING BACK TO RANDY'S, BUT I THINK IT WAS SLIDE 11.
DOES THAT SHOW ON THERE THE SERPENTINE? CAN WE BLOW IT UP BIGGER? I NO, NO, NO, NO.
NO, YOU WERE THE ONE BEFORE I GOT FOR THE PLANS.
THE YEAH, THAT ONE IS IS WHERE'S 11 ONE MORE? SO THIS IS THE OF THAT? YEAH.
WHERE, WHERE IS THE SERPENTINE SIDEWALK THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW ON IT'S CURRENTLY RIGHT.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE FAINT LINE BEHIND THIS ONE.
SO THAT, THAT'S JUST AN EXISTING TRAIL.
I THINK WHAT RANDY WAS SAYING IS INSTEAD OF DART GOING RIGHT OVER OUR TRAIL, COULD THEY HAVE GONE A LITTLE HIGHER ON THAT SLIDE AND GONE CLOSER TO THE RAIL? AND YOU MAY HAVE JUST ANSWERED IT, UH, BECKY, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I HEARD RANDY SAY IS WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO TAKE IT OUT AND THEN PUT IT IN.
IT'D BE CHEAPER TO JUST PUT IT IN.
SO WHERE, WHERE DAVID SAID, YEAH, IF WE'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT AND THERE'S FOUR OF US, WE WOULD JUST LEAVE THE EXISTING TRAIL AND HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING RANDY? YES, IT IS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SEE IS, IS THERE SPACE WHERE THE TRAIL IS BETWEEN THERE AND THE RAIL? COULD THE COTTON BELT WHERE IT'S DROPPING BELOW THAT RED LINE, COULD IT HAVE JUST STAYED ABOVE IT AND LEAVE OUR LAND ALONE AND JUST BE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY? SO IS THAT POSSIBLE? YEAH, WELL I JUST, PART OF THIS IS, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE HONEST WITH Y'ALL TOO, THAT THERE ARE CON CONSTRUCTION DESIGNS DONE.
CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE DONE.
THIS AREA IS PART OF THAT FIRST PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO WHEN WE SAY WE JUST WANNA BE REAL WITH, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGES, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S GONNA COST MONEY, IT'S GONNA DELAY THE PROJECT, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE COST WITH THAT.
IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, WE CAN DO IT ON THAT SECTION.
I WOULD IMAGINE, AND JANET CAN SPEAK TO IT.
IF WE WERE TO DO THAT AND WHERE YOU KEEP THE ONE AND BUILD ANOTHER, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TREE CONCERNS I WOULD SUPPOSE.
UM, BUT JANA, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT, IT WOULD BE FARTHER.
SO, SO WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IF WE COULD SAVE THE SERPENTINE TRAIL AND THERE WAS A SMALL PORTION OF THE TRAIL WITH THAT COULD GO ON THE DARK PROPERTY, BUT NOT AS SIGNIFICANT, NOT THE ENTIRE TRAIL WIDTH.
AND SO WHAT THAT WAS GONNA MEAN IS WHERE THE TRAIL CURVED, THERE WOULD BE POINTS THAT THE NEW TRAIL CONNECTED WITH THE EXISTING TRAIL.
AND THEN FROM A RUNNER STANDPOINT AND A CYCLIST STANDPOINT AND EVEN A WALKER STANDPOINT, THERE WERE SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT THE CROSS CONNECTIONS THAT WERE GOING TO HAPPEN.
UM, THERE WERE LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE BICYCLE ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENED ON THE KATY TRAIL, UM, WHERE A RUNNER, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WAS GOTTEN HIT, GOT HIT.
AND IT WAS A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE THEY WERE GOING FROM TWO TRAILS THAT WERE CLOSE TOGETHER AND GOING ONTO ANOTHER TRAIL.
THE RUNNER HAD THEIR EARBUDS IN AND DIDN'T HEAR THE CYCLIST.
AND SO WE MADE A SAFETY DECISION, UM, TO KEEP THE TRAIL, REPLACE THE TRAIL.
UM, IT WAS ALWAYS MY INTENT WHEN WE GOT FUNDS BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPORTED IN THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN TO ADD AN AMENITIES PACKAGE ONTO THIS TO COME BACK IN AND ADD THAT CARBO LINEAR FIELD WITH THE LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS TO START TO BRING THAT CHARACTER BACK TO THAT AREA.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE DECISION PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND
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IT WAS ALL DRIVEN BY PRESERVING THE TREES AND CREATING THE MOST SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE USING THAT TRAIL.SO DOES, DOES THE TRAIL RUN RIGHT BETWEEN THE TREES THEN? IS THAT WE'RE SAVING THE TREES, SO NOW WE'RE USED TO KIND OF WIND AROUND.
IS IT GONNA GO STRAIGHT THROUGH 'EM OR IS IT TO THE SIDE OF THEM? I I DUNNO WHERE THE TREES ARE NOW.
THE TREES ARE ACTUALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRAIL.
UM, THE TRAIL WILL NOT MEANDER THROUGH THE TREES.
THE TREES ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE TRAILS TO THE NORTH.
UM, AND WE HAVE INTENTIONS TO COME BACK IN AND ADD SOME MORE TREES TOO, TO ADD MORE SHADE WHEN THE TRAIL'S DONE.
WELL I KNEW IT WASN'T GONNA MEANDER, BUT WHERE THE, THE WAY THE TREES ARE, I JUST WONDERED IF IT COULD GO STRAIGHT THROUGH, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH WIDTH.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM AND WE WANNA STAY AWAY FROM THE ROOTS OF THE TREE.
ANYTHING UNDER THE DRIP LINE OF THE TREE, IF WE CHANGE THE GRADE TO CUT IN A TRAIL, WE COULD IMPACT THE TREE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, UH, CONSIDERING THE TIME, UH, OUR LAST WORK SESSION ITEM, WHICH WAS SIX C PRESENTED, DISCUSS AN OVERVIEW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD VI VITALITY GRANT PROGRAM.
UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT INTO TO OUR, UH, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP COMING UP.
UH, 'CAUSE IT FITS RIGHT IN WITH THAT, UH, PRETTY WELL.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND PUSH THAT FORWARD, SORRY, UM, TO OUR, TO OUR BUDGET MEETING.
[7. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.]
OUR FINAL ITEM AS ALWAYS IS, UM, ITEM SEVEN OF OUR REGULAR MEETING ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO, UH, SHOW SOME EXPRESSION OF THANKS CONGRA, UH, CONGRATULATIONS, CONDOLENCE, ET CETERA.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE? NO.
WELL I HAVE, I HAVE ONE THING.
UM, Y'ALL REMEMBER WE HAD THAT LITTLE KABOOM TOWN PARTY.
UH, THERE WAS A, A LITTLE BIT OF A DISASTER THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT Y'ALL PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT, OR MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE.
BUT THERE WAS A, UH, A WATERLINE BREAK, A WATERLINE LEAK ON EDWIN LEWIS RIGHT THERE BY ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.
AND, UH, IT WAS DISCOVERED LATE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, RIGHT, THE DAY BEFORE.
UH, SO OUR, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS SHOWED UP OUR PUBLIC WORKS, UH, CREW AND, UH, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE LINE MAINTENANCE DIVISION.
SO THEY, UH, THEY STAYED OVERNIGHT TO REPAIR THE LEAK BY INSTALLING A CLAMP ON THE WATER LINE THAT HAD A SMALL CIRCUMFERENTIAL CRACK.
UM, BUT, AND, AND SO THE THING IS THAT, THAT THEY HAD NOT, THEY, THEY, THOSE FOLKS HAD NOT MADE THAT KIND OF REPAIR BEFORE.
UH, 'CAUSE WE NORMALLY CONTRACT THAT KIND OF WORK OUT, BUT THEY WERE EAGER TO TEACH THE NEW STAFF AND USE THEIR SKILLS TO MAKE THE, THE EMERGENCY REPAIR BEFORE KABOOM TOWN SO THE WATERLINE COULD BE REPAIRED WITH THAT WHILE THE LINE WAS STILL LIVE.
UH, SO THEY, THEY ELIMINATED ANY DISTRIBUTION TO THE HOTELS AND BUSINESSES RECEIVING WATER SERVICE, UH, ALONG THE, UH, THAT STRETCH OF ROADWAY.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CREWS FOR BEING CREATIVE AND, AND READY TO, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST PULL IT UP AND, AND GET THE WORK DONE.
AND, UH, AND SO NO, NO, UH, NO DIS NO DELAYS, NO PROBLEM WITH WATER.
AND KABOOM TOWN WENT OUT, WENT OFF WITHOUT A HITCH AND NOBODY KNEW BETTER.
BUT YOU HAD THESE, THESE AMAZING FOLKS, UH, WORKING HARD ALL NIGHT LONG TO GET THAT DONE.
SO, UH, I, I'D LIKE GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR ALL THEIR GREAT.
AND THE LEADER OF THAT TEAM WAS, UH, WARREN, JUSTIN HARDING.
UH, OBVIOUSLY A GREAT, GREAT ONE TO HAVE ON THE TEAM.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING JUST YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, UH, LIKE TO RECOGNIZE BOB GOODFRIEND PASSED AWAY, ONE OF OUR EAST ADDISON RESIDENTS.
I SPENT SOME TIME IN HIS HOME WITH HIM AND GETTING TO KNOW HIM BETTER.
UM, I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION FOR WHO HAS AN INTEREST TO, BUT THE FAMILY IS HOSTING A SERVICE.
I JUST WANNA PASS ON CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY.
YEAH, THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION ON THAT, DAN.
IF YOU DON'T MIND SHARING THAT INFORMATION WITH COUNSEL, THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE GREAT.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? WELL, WITH THAT, IT IS 9 24 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE NIGHT.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.