[1. Call Meeting to Order and Announce that a Quorum is Present.]
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AND WE WERE CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 24TH, 2025.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT IN THE, UH, IN TOWN HALL TONIGHT.
AND DAN, NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK WITH US.
[2. Citizen Comments on the Consent Agenda Items. This item allows citizens to speak on any item listed on the Consent Agenda prior to its consideration. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the beginning of this item.]
UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, CITIZEN COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THEY CAN DO SO AT THIS TIME FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES.IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE THE CITIZEN COMMENTS SECTION AND MOVE
[3. Council Member Clarification Requests Regarding Consent Agenda Items. ]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.REQUEST REGARDING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED BY COUNCIL ON CONSENT ITEMS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE A, COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL OFTEN SEND, UH, QUESTIONS TO STAFF REGARDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
THOSE, THOSE, UH, QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED AND PUT INTO A DOCUMENT, UH, ALL THERE AND THEY'RE ALL COMPILED INTO A SINGLE DOCUMENT AND WHICH HAS BEEN SUPPLIED TO THE COUNCIL.
THAT DOCUMENT IS ALSO UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE ON THE AGENDA.
SO, UH, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE, UH, TO THE WEBSITE, GO TO THE AGENDA, THERE'LL BE A LINK THERE TO DOWNLOAD THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS DOCUMENT FOR THAT.
[a. Present and discuss public safety compensation.]
FOUR, UH, THE WORK SESSION REPORT FOUR A IS PRESENT AND DISCUSS PUBLIC SAFETY COMPENSATION.I THINK WE HAVE ASHLEY WAIT, COUNCIL ASHLEY RESOURCES AND WELCOME BACK.
WE'RE CONTINUING OUR DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC SAFETY COMPENSATION, THEN WE'RE BACK IN JANUARY.
WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE CURRENT CHALLENGES THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL ARE FACING AND THE MARKET AND IMPROVEMENT AND RETENTION.
AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE MOVING TO A STEP PLAN FOR ADDISON.
SOME OF THE PARAMETERS INVOLVED WERE A 4% COMPENSATION GOAL THAT WE ARE PROJECTING FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET FISCAL YEAR 26.
WE WOULD ALSO PROBABLY PLAN FOR NO FUNDS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE ONE TIME ON SOME DISTRIBUTIONS.
AND THOSE ARE FOR YOUR PERSONNEL THAT ARE CHOPPED OUT AT THE MAXIMUM PAY GRADE.
WE TALKED ABOUT BASED IN APPROACH, MEANING IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE BETWEEN ONE TO TWO YEARS TO ACCOMPLISH AND IT WOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU'RE NOT AUTOMATICALLY GUARANTEED TO GO INTO THE NEXT STEP.
IT WOULD BE BASED ON PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
SO WE HAVE FOUR OPTIONS TONIGHT.
BUT BEFORE WE GO INTO THOSE OPTIONS, I WANNA REVISIT JUST BRIEFLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BACK IN JANUARY.
SO RIGHT NOW OUR PAY PLAN AS IT EXISTS IS AN OPEN RANGE SYSTEM.
THAT MEANS PHYSICIANS ALL HAVE A MINIMUM TO A MAXIMUM ON THE PAY RANGE.
EVERYONE SWORN, NON-SWORN, THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME TABLE.
SO EVERY YEAR AROUND THIS TIMEFRAME, JUNE OR JULY, OUR BUDGET TEAM, THEY REACH OUT TO, UH, THE COMPARISON CITIES AND THEY DETERMINE WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET CYCLE WITH REGARDS TO MERIT AND MARKET.
SO WE TAKE THAT DATA AND WE COMPILE WHAT IS ATLASON GOING TO DO, RIGHT? WHAT'S FAIR, WHAT'S SUSTAINABLE, WHAT KEEPS US COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET.
AND THEN WE GO FORWARD AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FOR THE FUNDING BUDGET CYCLE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN FISCAL YEAR 25, WE HAD A 4% COMPENSATION POOL.
WE UTILIZE 2% OF THAT POOL TO SHIFT THE PAY PLAN BY 2%, RIGHT? THAT REMAINING 2% WAS FOR THE MERIT.
FOR ANYONE WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE A MERIT BASED ON THE PERFORMANCE METRICS, THEY WOULD RECEIVE UP TO 2%.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE UTILIZED LAST YEAR.
THAT'S TYPICALLY THE ONLY TIME YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT BIG CHANGE OR SHIFT IN THE PAY PLAN OR COMPENSATION.
THE ONLY OTHER TIME YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT IS WHEN YOU HAVE A MARKET AND COMPENSATION STUDY.
AND THE LAST ONE THAT WE RECEIVED WAS BACK IN 2023.
IT CONCLUDED AT THE END OF 2023 FOR THE EFFECTIVE OF THE BEGINNING OF 2024.
AND JUST FOR PERCEPTION, IT'S BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF SINCE THEN AND WHERE WE PLACED OUR SWORN POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL ABOVE AVERAGE OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES.
WE ARE NOW TODAY AROUND TWO TO 5%, DEPENDING ON THE POSITION BELOW MARKET.
SO OUT OF OUR 13 COMPARISONS, COMPARISON CITIES, ABSENT IS THE ONLY ONE STEP PLAN.
UM, ON AVERAGE OTHER CITIES TALK AFTER IN ADDISON AND THEY ALSO FRONT LOAD THEIR PAID PLANS, MEANING IN THOSE FIRST FEW YEARS OF SERVICE, THEY'RE GONNA RECEIVE A HIGHER INCREASE.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY BECOMING A REALLY POPULAR RECRUITING INCENTIVE.
WE'RE SEEING THAT ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITIES.
SO THE TURNOVER DATA THAT'S ON THE RIGHT, IT'S SHOWING THAT UM, OUR TYPICAL EMPLOYEES OR POLICE AND FIRE PHYSICIANS ARE LEAVING WITHIN ONE TO FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE FOR THE CITY.
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IS PRETTY STRONG, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT GROUP AND IN JUST THE LAST FEW YEARS, OUR COMPARISON CITIES HAVE INCREASED COMPENSATION FOR THOSE LATERAL MORE EXPERIENCED OFFICERS.SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIREFIGHTERS, YOU HAVE THOSE MORE TENURE AND SENIOR PERSONNEL THAT ARE NOT ONLY JUST RETIRING WITH ADDISON, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO OTHER ENTITIES, WHICH IS ALSO VERY SURPRISING.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IN ROOM.
I'M WITH TURNOVER, THERE'S GONNA BE DIRECT AND INDIRECT COSTS.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE INCREASE IN OVERTIME EXPENSES, UH, RESOURCES UTILIZED FOR HIRING AND RECRUITING AND TRAINING.
TRAINING A NEW OFFICER OR FIREFIGHTER TAKES ROUGHLY 12 TO 18 MONTHS, WHICH IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO GONNA SEE THAT DECREASE IN EMPLOYEE MORALE.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE TURNOVER LEADS TO MANDATORY OVERTIME, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO BURNOUT AND THEN ALSO MORE TURNOVER.
UM, I THINK UPDATED, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE UPDATED PRESENTATION
UM, SO WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE TOWN COMPENSATION PH BEFORE WE GOT INTO OUR OPTIONS.
THE TOWN COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY, UM, MENTIONS THAT WE PAY ABOVE AVERAGE OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ABOVE AVERAGE, UM, WE'RE SAYING 50% PLUS ONE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HEAR US TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IN THESE OPTIONS, THE DESIRED MARKET POSITION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING.
IT'S IN REFERENCE TO OUR TOWN COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY.
SO OPTION ONE IS EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BACK IN JANUARY.
WE'RE UTILIZING THAT 4% COMPENSATION POOL.
IT'S NOT GONNA REQUIRE ANY OR REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
SO NO BUDGET DECISION PACKAGE.
WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT THE PAY PLAN AS IT IS RIGHT NOW BY 2%.
SO REALLY WE HAVE 4% TO WORK WITH.
WE'RE GONNA USE THE REMAINING 2% TO GET THESE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS ON THE APPROPRIATE STEP BASED ON THEIR CURRENT YEARS OF SERVICE.
WE'RE ESTIMATING IT'S GONNA TAKE ABOUT TWO YEARS TO TRANSITION EVERYONE TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
AND WITH EACH ONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS THERE'S GONNA BE PROS AND CONS.
SO THE PROS OBVIOUSLY WITH OPTUM ONE, BECAUSE THERE'S NO POSITION PACKAGE REQUIRED, WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT IN THAT FISCAL YEAR 20 BUDGET AMOUNT.
THE CONS IS UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES LEAVE US, UM, BEHIND THAT DESIRED MARKET POSITION, WHICH IS THAT 50% PLUS ONE.
AND FOR POLICE, UM, WHILE IT'S JUST 1.4% AT MINIMUM, 1.2 BELOW AT MAXIMUM IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.
YOU DO SEE, UM, WE ARE BELOW QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE FIRE SIDE 5.4% BELOW MINIMUM 4.2 BELOW AT MAXIMUM.
AND THIS IS WHAT THAT OPTION, ONE STEP PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO WE UTILIZE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE FROM THE OTHER COMPARISON CITIES.
AND THE NUMBER OF STEPS IS BASICALLY INDUSTRY STANDARD.
SO YOU'LL SEE POLICE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, HAS ZERO STEP TO ZERO SIX.
UM, AND THEN FIRE REALLY ONLY HAS STEP ZERO, STEP FOUR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHITE BLUE AND ALSO THE WHITE RED FIELDS, THOSE ARE YOUR CURRENT MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM PLUS 2%.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FISCAL YEAR 25 COMPENSATION PLAN, PLUS 2% ARE THOSE MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST SHIFTING IT BY 2%.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YES.
BEFORE GETTING JUST THE OTHER OPTIONS YOU HAD MENTIONED WITH THE TURNOVER IN BOTH POLICE AND FIRE, ARE THERE EXIT INTERVIEWS WHERE PEOPLE SORT OF CLAIM WHY THEY'RE LEAVING? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ABOUT 90% OF EXIT INTERVIEWS.
THEY SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY'RE LEAVING IS LACK OF STEP PLAN.
UM, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT WHENEVER WE RECEIVE CALLS AND POLICING FIRE RECEIVE CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO COME INTO THE ORGANIZATION AS WELL.
AND THEIR FIRST QUESTION IS, WHERE'S THE STEP PLAN LOCATED ON YOUR WEBSITE? IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SAY, WELL NO, WE DON'T HAVE STEP PLAN, BUT WE DO HAVE A LEADER BASED PLAN.
UM, SO IN THE EXIT INTERVIEWS, YES WE ARE SEEING THAT THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY'RE ASKING IS LEFT OF STEP PLAN.
SO THEY'RE NOT UNHAPPY, LET'S CALL IT WITH THE TOWN.
THEY'RE JUST UNHAPPY WITH THEIR PAY, CORRECT? FOR THE MOST PART, YES.
THEY LOVE WORKING FOR ADDISON.
IT WAS A DIFFICULT CHOICE FOR THEM.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
SO THIS IS THE TOWN COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY.
UM, AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DESIRED MARKET, UM, POSITION IS BULLET POINT NUMBER THREE WHERE WE ARE PAYING EMPLOYEES BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE OUR COMPARISON CITY.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING AS WE GO FORWARD.
UM, ALL RIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT OPTION TWO.
OPTION TWO IS VERY SIMILAR TO OPTION ONE.
INSIDE THE 2% SHIFT WE'RE LOOKING AT A 3% SHIFT.
OKAY? THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S A
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MONETARY IMPACT.AND THE REASON WHY THERE'S A MONETARY IMPACT IS BECAUSE OF THOSE TOPPED OUT EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? SO WE'RE MOVING THE PAY PLAN, THE MINIMUM AND THE MAXIMUM A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THAT $138,000 NUMBER IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE OPT OUT EMPLOYEES.
THIS WOULD STILL TAKE TWO YEARS TO TRANSITION.
UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING IS ROUGHLY $75,000 THAT IT WOULD COST JUST FOR THE POLICE SIDE.
AND THE REASON JUST FOR THE POLICE SIDE IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE STEPS, IT TAKES THEM LONGER TO GET THERE.
SO FIRE WILL BE THERE MOST LIKELY EVERYWHERE.
EVERY SWORN POSITION IS GONNA BE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE ON THE STEP PLAN.
BY FISCAL YEAR 27 PD, NOT LIKELY BECAUSE THERE ARE JUST SIMPLY MORE STEPS AND THE PROS AND CONS.
THIS DOES INCREASE OUR MARKET COMPETITIVENESS BECAUSE WE ARE SHIFTING THE PAID PLAN A LITTLE BIT MORE, RIGHT? 3% VERSUS 2%.
BUT THE CONS IS IT DOES REQUIRE DECISION PACKAGE, RIGHT? WE ARE STILL BEHIND, UH, THE DESIRED MARKET DECISION.
WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE AT FIRE, BUT WE'RE STILL PRETTY FAR BEHIND OR PRETTY CLOSE AT POLICE.
WE'RE STILL PRETTY FAR BEHIND
TALK ABOUT THE STEPS A LITTLE BIT.
THE FOUR STEPS FOR FIRE, SIX STEPS FOR POLICE, SIX OR SEVEN.
IS THERE A TIME REQUIREMENT IN EACH STEP? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET FROM A HIGHER TO STEP ONE TO STEP TWO? WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME BETWEEN THOSE STEPS? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, TYPICALLY IT'S A YEAR, A REAL TIMEFRAME.
UM, BUT IT DOES DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, THE TIMING OF THE TRAINING.
SO 12 TO 18 MONTHS DEPENDING ON THE TRAINING.
SO THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT WE DETERMINE WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF, NOT FIRE TO, SO THE POLICE, THE CHIEFS CAN DETERMINE NO, NO, JUST PLANNING.
SO TYPICALLY IT TAKES A YEAR FOR THEM TO GET TO THAT NEXT STEP.
YOU, YOU'VE MENTIONED IT TWICE NOW.
IF, IF WE CAN ASK A QUESTION ALONG THE WAY, OF COURSE, 12 TO 18 MONTHS TRAINING, WHO ARE WE, WHO ARE WE TAKING 12 TO 18 MONTHS TO TRAIN? MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE HIRE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE ALREADY CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTERS AND CERTIFIED PARAMEDICS.
SO WHAT TRAINING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOR 12 TO 18 MONTHS? CORRECT.
I THINK OUR CHIEFS PROBABLY MORE APPLICABLE TO ANSWER AND THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S OKAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS COMING UP OR COME ON NOW, MA'AM.
COUNCIL CHRIS, FREE CHIEF OF POLICE.
SO WE HIRED SOMEBODY WITH NO EXPERIENCE.
UM, HE'S IN THE ACADEMY THAT SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS AND THEY HAVE FIELD TRAINING AND THEY'RE, SO THEY'RE HIRED ON DAY ONE, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UH, FULL FLEDGED LIKE ON THEIR OWN OPERATING, UH, OFFICER.
SO ROUGHLY THAT 12 TO 14 MONTH TIME PERIOD AS FAR AS WHEN DO THEY MOVE, IT'S SOMETHING ANNIVERSARY.
SO YOU GET HIRED ON AS A NEW OFFICER WITH NO EXPERIENCE.
YOU COME IN STEP ZERO, YOU'RE IN THE ACADEMY AT YOUR ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY DATE, YOU HAVE STEP FOUR IF YOU'VE MET THE METRO
'CAUSE IT'S STILL MERIT BASED, RIGHT? WE CAN WITHHOLD YOU MOVING TO THAT STEP IF YOUR EVALUATIONS NOT WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
BUT THOSE STEPS ARE BASED ON THEIR GREEN ANNIVERSARY.
AND HOW OFTEN DO WE HIRE A NON-LICENSED OFFICER? UH, MAJORITY OF OUR HIRES ARE NON-LICENSED.
NOW, RECENTLY WE'VE MADE A BIG PUSH TO HIRE MATTER OFFICERS.
UM, OUR LAST FEW HIRES HAVE BEEN OFFICERS THAT BECOME POLICE EXPERIENCE.
UM, BUT IT, IT IS JUST A MIX OF WHO WE KNOW.
WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN THE BACKGROUND NOW THAT HAVE NO EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN THE BACKGROUND THAT ARE MY OFFICERS.
SO IF YOU GOOD THING MUST BE IN THAT WILL, WE CAN KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE.
BUT ALSO IT'S WHO'S COMING IN, WHO'S APPLYING.
UM, BUT YEAH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON, ON WHERE DOES THE LATERAL OFFICER COME IN BASED ON THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE AS A, UH, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE EIGHT YEARS EXPERIENCE, BUT IF YOU'RE IN A SMALL JURISDICTION, YOU DON'T HAVE METRO CITY POLICING EXPERIENCE.
WE NOT, MIGHT NOT HONOR THAT FULL EIGHT YEARS.
WE NOT BRING YOU IN A LOWER STEP.
BUT IF YOU'RE COMING FROM A COMPARABLE CITY WITH FOUR YEARS EXPERIENCE, YOU WOULD LATERAL LAND THAT STEP FOR, BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT EXPERIENCE.
WOULD THAT BE BASED ON, I I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU, YOU'VE MENTIONED THE 13 COMPARABLE CITIES.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A LIST OF WHO WE COMPARE WITH, BUT WOULD THAT BE A, A FACTOR IF THEY'RE TRANSFERRING FROM ONE OF THOSE COMPARABLE CITIES OR JUST A COMPARABLE DEPARTMENT TO OURS? YEAH, THAT'D BE A FACTOR.
BUT ALSO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TYPE, WHAT TYPE OF POLICING THEY HAVE.
IT'S SLIGHT DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE FROM RURAL COUNTY THAT HAS POPULATION OF 500, UM, COMING FROM, UH, SOMEWHERE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH THE ISSUES.
WE, WELL, SO COUNSEL, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GET THROUGH THIS THROUGH THE THREE OPTIONS FIRST AND THEN BEFORE WE SHALL WE, OUR QUESTIONS GONNA BE MORE FULLY MADE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THIS.
SO FOR OPTION TWO, THIS IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO OPTION ONE.
IT'S SHIFTING THE PLATE PLAN BY 3% VERSUS 2%.
SO AGAIN, IT LOOKS VERY, VERY SIMILAR.
OPTION THREE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPETITIVE.
SO THIS GETS US TO WHAT WE CALL THE DESIRED
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MARKET COMPETITIVE POSITION, WHICH IS THAT ABOVE AVERAGE OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES.THIS DOES COST A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE AGAIN, CATCHING UP WITH THE MARKET, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT INCREASE.
IT WILL STILL TAKE TWO YEARS TO TRANSITION EVERYONE.
BUT FISCAL YEAR IMPACT FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF 26, WE'RE LOOKING AT A LITTLE OVER $275,000.
AND SIMILAR TO THE PRIOR OPTION, BUT ESTIMATING ABOUT $87,500 FOR RELEASE ONLY.
ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE STEPS.
IT DOES ACHIEVE THE MARKET COMPETITIVENESS, BUT IT DOES COME WITH COST.
AND THIS IS HOW WE DEVELOPED THIS STEP AND HOW IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE WORKED WITH STEVEN AND HIS TEAM AND WE LOOKED AT AS OF OCTOBER ONE FOR 2024, WHAT ARE OUR COMPARISON CITIES OFFERING AS COMPENSATION FOR REFORM POLICING, FIRE PERSONNEL.
AND WE TOOK THE AVERAGE PLUS FORM.
SO THAT IS WHAT'S REFLECTED HERE IS THE AVERAGE PLUS ONE OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES AS OF THE BEGINNING OF FISCAL.
AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS, IS LIKE ESPECIALLY THE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC POSITION, THOSE MINIMUMS AND THOSE MAXIMUMS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LARGER INCREASE BECAUSE THEY ARE BEHIND
SO THAT IS WHY IT'S MORE COMPETITIVE, JUST COME WITH A HIGHER COST.
NOW I WANNA TALK ABOUT OPTION FOUR.
UM, WE ADDED THIS OPTION AS AN OFFICIAL OPTION EARLIER TODAY.
UM, THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE OPTION THREE, BUT IT GETS US THERE QUICKER.
SO WE CALL THIS THE ALL IN APPROACH.
SO THIS IS THE EXACT SAME SET PLAN AS OPTION THREE, BUT ACCOMPLISHING IT WITHIN ONE YEAR.
AND SO THIS ISN'T A TRANSITION, THIS ISN'T PLACING AN OFFICER OR FIREFIGHTER ON THE APPROPRIATE SET ON THEIR CURRENT YEARS OF SERVICE.
THIS IS GIVING THEM FOUR YEARS IN ABSENT PLACED ON STEP FOUR.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN IMPRESSIVE APPROACH.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE THIS AS AN OPTION.
IT IS A HIGHER COST, $475,000.
IT DOES ACHIEVE THAT MARKET COMPETITIVENESS.
IT'S A LESS TRANSITION TIME, BUT AGAIN IT IS A HIGHER COST AND THIS IS THE EXACT SAME STEP PLAN AND OPTION THREE, SO YOU'LL SEE IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
THIS IS LAID OUT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO READ FOR ALL OF OUR COMPARISONS OF THE OPTION.
SO OPTION ONE IS THAT 2% SHIFT, GETTING THERE WITHIN TWO YEARS, NO BUDGET DECISION PACKET REQUIRED, BUT IT DOES LEAVE US A LITTLE BIT BEHIND MARKETING POSITION.
OPTION TWO, THE 3% SHIFT FOR THE BUDGET DECISION PACKET 138,000, STILL LEAVING US THERE IN TWO YEARS, LEAVING US A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THAT DESIRED MARKET POSITION.
OPTION THREE IS MORE COMPETITIVE.
IT DOES REQUIRE DECISION PACKAGE $275,000 GETTING THERE IN TWO YEARS AND IT ACHIEVES THAT DESIRED MARKET POSITION.
OPTION FOUR, IS THAT ALL IN APPROACH? A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE WHERE WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM MOVEMENT ACHIEVING IT IN ONE YEAR, 75,000.
AND WE ARE REQUESTING YOUR DIRECTION ON IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH A STEP PLAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHOOSE WHICH OPTION? OPTION 1, 2, 3 OR FOUR, OPTION TWO, THREE AND FOUR DO REQUIRE A DECISION PACKAGE.
AND I WANNA BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT LOOKING AHEAD.
SO LOOKING AHEAD IF WE DO CHOOSE OPTION ONE TWO OR FREE, WHICH IS A TWO YEAR TRANSITION, I WANNA TALK ABOUT FISCAL YEAR 28.
FISCAL YEAR 28 WOULD BE JUST LIKE NORMAL.
THERE WOULD BE NO OBLIGATION TO INCREASE FUNDING.
THE ONLY TIME THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE US REQUEST TO INCREASE FUNDING COMING FROM HR IS GOING TO BE GOING OUT FOR A NEW MARKET AND COMPENSATION STUDY.
TYPICALLY WE DO THAT EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
THE LAST ONE WE COMPLETED WAS A FISCAL YEAR 24.
SO JUST KEEPING THAT ON YOUR RADAR GONNA BE TRANSPARENT.
THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT WE WOULD BRING THAT FORWARD.
AND THAT'S ALL I ASKED AT LEAST, UH, TO JUST MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE OPTIONS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW, WHICH I WAS CERTAINLY ARE RELATED.
ONE IS ASSUMING WE CONTINUE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH MOVING TO A STEP PLAN, HOW DO WE DO IT? WHAT DOES THAT TRANSITION LOOK LIKE? AND THE OTHER IS THE MARKET COMPETITIVENESS.
I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MARKET COMPETITIVENESS IS WE JUST DID A MARKET STUDY 18 MONTHS AGO FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO.
AND WE DID SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT ON OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE MARKET ON ALL THE OTHER CITIES ARE JUST GOING AHEAD QUICKLY.
RIGHT NOW, ALL CITIES ARE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION.
SO WE ARE CERTAINLY, WE HAVE OUR MARKET PHILOSOPHY, WE WANT TO BE AT 50% PLUS ONE.
BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE FIREFIGHTERS.
THERE'S ONLY TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE DID A BIG JOB BASED ON A MARKET STUDY AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THIS ACCELERATION.
SO I JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE, IS THAT, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW.
I GUESS I'LL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION IF I CAN TO, TO THE $200,000 INCREASE FROM THREE TO FOUR, USUALLY YOU WERE BREAKING THAT PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WAS POLICE, THAT POLICE IN THE OTHER HAND WAS 87,000.
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WAS THE DECISION, THE PACKAGE FORWARD, WHAT DID THAT BREAKDOWN LOOK LIKE OF THE NEEDS FOR 2027 OR BE 26 MM-HMMWHAT'S THAT DIFFERENCE FOR PD ONLY VERSUS FIRE? ABSOLUTELY.
AND FOR FIRE, THAT'S 142,907 TO THAT 2 75 IN.
SO THE OPEN-ENDED QUESTION I ASK IS THESE COMPARATIVE CITIES, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THAT LIST.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THEM BY HEART WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY SO BIG WE'RE 4.4 SQUARE MILES.
IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE OPENING MORE FIRE STATIONS, MORE POLICE STATIONS AHEAD OF US? 'CAUSE THEIR POPULATIONS ARE OUTPACING OUR POPULATION.
WHY IS THERE SUCH A FAST PACED GROWTH OF PAY IN COMPARED TO CITIES COMPARED TO ADDISON? WELL, WELL IT IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF FIRE STATIONS THEY HAVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S EVERY CITY'S HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING.
THEY'RE COMING IN THEIR COUNCIL AND THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO HIRE MORE FOLKS, SO WE WANT TO JUMP UP X PERCENT.
THERE'S SOME CITIES THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY THAT WANT TO BE AT THE, AT THE TOP 25%.
RIGHT? AND SO THE MARKET JUST KEEPS MOVING AND THE RANGES KEEP MOVING.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE CITY NECESSARILY.
UM, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR COMPARATIVE CITIES, IT'S JUST THEY'RE ALL DOING THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT THE MARKET AND TRYING TO BE THE MOST COMPETITIVE IN HIRING.
IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A COMPENSATION
I MEAN, YOU GIVE UP NORTH ALAN MCKINNEY PLANO, THEY MIGHT ALL BE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BE BETTER OR MORE THAN A MCKINNEY.
BUT WE'RE ALL KIND OF PLAYING.
THIS IS A QUESTION FOR BOTH CHASE.
BACK TO RANDY'S POINT IS WE'RE LOOKING TO HIRE TRAINING OFFICERS, TRAIN PARAMEDICS.
ARE WE SEEING AN INFLUX, UM, MORE QUALIFIED PEOPLE JUST IN GENERAL GETTING INTO THAT LINE OF WORK IN GENERAL IN THE PAST 10 IN THE PAST GENERATION, YOU'VE SEEN OR YOU CERTAINLY SEE THE TIDE SWAY BACK CHIEF.
UH, DAVID JONES, FIRE CHIEF AND GREAT QUESTION.
AND WHEN WE HIRE, I KNOW ONE OF THE EARLIER QUESTIONS WAS IF WE HIRE A SOMEBODY WHO'S CERTIFIED AS A FIREFIGHTER, WE WILL HIRE A PARAMEDIC AND TRAIN THEM TO BECOME A FIREFIGHTER.
WE CAN SEND THEM TO FIRE SCHOOL, BUT WE DO NOT HIRE, UH, A FIREFIGHTER AND SEND THEM TO THE PARAMEDIC SCHOOL SIMPLY BECAUSE WE WOULD LOSE THAT PERSON FOR OVER A YEAR.
AND WE COULD AFFORD TO DO THAT.
SO WE'LL HIRE A QUALIFIED PARAMEDIC THAT FITS THE ROLE IF THEY'RE THE BEST CANDIDATE AND SEND THEM TO FIRE SCHOOL.
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD PREFER TO HIRE A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC WHEN WE GO OUT FOR THAT.
UM, BUT WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE BEST CANDIDATE AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE A POOL OF, UH, A LOT OF QUALIFIED FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS AND THERE ARE TIMES THAT THERE'S NOT THAT MANY, BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GREAT PARAMEDICS IN, IN THAT PROCESS.
ARE YOU SEEING STRENGTH OF MORE PEOPLE? IS THE POOL GETTING BIGGER OR IS IT THE SAME SIZE POOL OF PEOPLE INHERENTLY MONTH TO MONTH, QUARTER TO QUARTER, YEAR TO YEAR? WELL, WE HAVEN'T HAD A HIRING PROCESS HERE, LAKEY, AND THEY HAVE FLUXED A LITTLE BIT.
SOMETIMES THEY, THE POOL WAS A LITTLE SMALL, ESPECIALLY, UH, RIGHT AFTER COVID.
BUT THE LAST FEW PROCESSES WE HAD HAD A GOOD TURNOUT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE HIRING PROCESS? WHAT IS YOUR HIRING PROCESS? SO WE HAVE A, UH, ACTUALLY I'LL CHIEF ALEXANDER SPEAK ABOUT IT, UH, BECAUSE HE RUNS THE ENTIRE HIRING PROCESS.
IS IT A TEST AND THEN INTERVIEWS AND PHYSICAL TEST? WE DO NOT HAVE A, A WRITTEN TEST.
THEY COME IN AND THEY DO THEIR, UH, AGILITY TEST FIRST AND THEN THEY COME IN AND GO THROUGH INTERVIEWS AND WE SCREEN OUR CANDIDATES THROUGH THAT PROCESS A YEARLY OR DO YOU, IS IT AN ONGOING PROCESS? WE DON'T, WE DO IT AS NEEDED.
WE DO IT WHENEVER WE HAVE A VACANCY.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ARE, ARE WE, ARE WE SEEING, AND THIS MIGHT BE THE SAME QUESTION DAN ASKED, BUT ARE WE SEEING MORE PEOPLE APPLYING THAN WE HAVE OPENINGS OR WE HAVE MORE OPENINGS THAN WE HAVE APPLICANTS? WELL, TYPICALLY WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE OPENING, IT'S ONE OR TWO SPOTS, SO WE'LL GET MORE APPLICANTS THAN WE WOULD HAVE OPENINGS MOST OF THE TIME.
AND THESE APPLICANTS ARE FROM OTHER CITIES THAT ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCED? NOT, NOT NECESSARILY, NO.
SOME ARE, MAYBE THEY ARE A PARAMEDIC THAT'S BEEN WORKING IN A PRIVATE, IN THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY AS A, UH, ON AN AMBULANCE AND THEY WANT TO BECOME A FIREFIGHTER.
SO THEY'RE HOPING WE WILL SEND TO FIRE SCHOOL.
SOME JUST GRADUATED FROM THE FIRE ACADEMY AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO BE HIRED.
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WEREN'T SPONSORED WHEN THEY WENT TO SCHOOL.AND THERE ARE SOME OCCASIONALLY THAT ARE WORKING FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT MAYBE IT'S A SMALLER DEPARTMENT OR WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO RELOCATED AND COME HERE AND WANNA APPLY.
DOES ADDISON HAVE ANY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF INCENTIVE IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT REASONS FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO COME WORK HERE AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF OUR COMPARATIVE CITIES OTHER THAN COMPENSATION? I THINK SO.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT AND, AND IT IS TIGHT COMPENSATION.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, OUR DEFERRED COMP PLAN, OUR INSURANCE PLAN, WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST SYSTEM THAT IS ATTRACTIVE ONCE THEY GET IN THE DOOR AND KIND OF LEARN ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK ANOTHER THING IS OUR REPUTATION.
WE HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION, WE HAVE GREAT EQUIPMENT.
UH, WE TAKE, WE, WE TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.
WE HAVE A REPUTATION WHEN WE SHOW UP ON SCENE.
UH, OUR PEOPLE ARE TRAINED WELL.
WE ARE, WE ARE A VERY HIGH TRAINED CULTURE THAT IS PART OF OUR DAILY OPERATION IS HANDS-ON TRAINING.
SO IF YOU WANT TO BE A, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BE A TRAINED FIREFIGHTER AND KNOW THEIR JOB AND BE GOOD AT THEIR JOB AND HAVE PRIDE IN IT, WE ARE A SPOT FOR THEM.
IF THEY WANT TO COAST THROUGH THEIR CAREER OR HIGH, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THEM.
IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN, PUT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE STEP PLAN RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE WHEN OUTSIDE OF COMPENSATION, WE HAVE A GREAT, WE HAVE ALL THOSE POINTS THAT CHIEF HAS MENTIONED, UM, A GREAT WAY TO SELL OURSELF.
AND WE FEEL LIKE EVEN AT, AT 50% OF THE MARKET, WE CAN GET THE BEST CANDIDATES HERE BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE OTHER FACTORS.
RIGHT NOW, WHEN CANDIDATES LOOK AT US AND THEY LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER CITIES, WE'RE SPEAKING A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE.
'CAUSE THOSE, THAT YOUNG CANDIDATE WHO'S LOOKING, WHO'S TRYING TO FIND A JOB, EVERY OTHER CITY IS SHOWING THEIR STEP PLAN AND THEIR RANGES AND HOW MANY YEARS IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH THEIR STEP.
AND WE'RE JUST NOT EVEN SPEAKING THAT SAME LANGUAGE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT OUR BROCHURES AND OUR RECRUITMENT.
SO PART OF GOING TO THE STEP IS SO THAT WE CAN JUST LEVEL THAT PLAYING FIELD AND LEAN INTO THOSE OTHER ADVANTAGES.
SO FOR, FOR BOTH CHIEFS, SO DO YOU, THIS REMINDS ME OF SOME OF OUR PAST WHERE WE WERE, WE WERE THE TRAINING, UH, AGENCY, UH, IN NORTH TEXAS.
WE HIRED A LOT OF FOLKS AND WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME TRAINING THEM.
AND THEN IN THE ONE TO FIVE YEARS, THEY'RE MOVING ONTO SOMEPLACE ELSE THAT, THAT PAYS THEM BETTER.
SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE, ARE THE CANDIDATES SELECTIVE OR ARE THEY GOING OUT APPLYING IN MULTIPLE AGENCIES AND TAKING THE FIRST JOB THAT IS OFFERED TO THEM JUST TO GET, JUST TO GET THE EXPERIENCE? YES SIR.
SO WE'RE IN AN EMPLOYEE MARKET.
UM, IF YOU ARE A QUALIFIED OFFICER, YOU'RE A GOOD APPLICANT THAT CAN GET ON ANYWHERE THEY WANT.
THEY HAVE THE, THE PICK OF THE LETTER, UM, AND THEY'RE DOING THAT.
AND I CAN, WE SPOKE TO THE PROCESS EARLIER, SAME THING.
UM, WE'VE HAD OUR BACKGROUND INVESTIGATORS COME TO ME, SHE GETS CALLS TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
SOMETIMES LATERAL OFFICERS SAYING, HEY, I'M A TWO YEAR OFFICER AT THIS DEPARTMENT.
LIKE WHAT WOULD I MAKE? AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO EXPLAIN, OKAY, THE MERIT BASED SYSTEM, PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT.
OFFICERS IN HAVE POTENTIAL APPLICATION, THEY'RE GOING TO THE WEBSITE, THEY'RE LOOKING WHAT IS YOUR PAY CLAIM BECAUSE THEY CAN GO WHERE THEY WANT.
UM, SO LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, DAVID SAID WE'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.
ONCE WE GET OUR STEP PLAN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUBLISH THAT AND SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS WHAT YOU MAKE.
AS LONG AS YOU ARE MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS, VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT YOU'RE STILL NOT JUST GONNA COME HERE AND COLLECT THE PAYCHECK.
WE CAN WITHHOLD THAT STEP IF YOU'RE NOT MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE SET FORTH.
BUT AT LEAST NOW THEY HAVE A PLAN.
YOU TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE, THAT OTHER WORKSHOP, UM, THE WORK SESSION IS WHERE ALL WE'RE DOING IS FOR GETTING THE PLAN TO OUR CURRENT OFFICERS AND PROSPECTIVE OFFICERS FOR LOOKING TO COME HERE, YOU COME HERE, YOU MEET THE EXPECTATIONS AT YEAR THREE, THIS IS YOUR AT YEAR FOUR.
THAT'S WHAT OFFICERS WANNA DO.
THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE AND SAY, I'M GONNA NEED BE DOING, THAT'S MY COMPENSATION WOULD BE 3, 4, 5 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T PROVIDE THAT.
CAN I JUMP IN ON THE QUESTION? SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OPTION ONE ON THE SLIDES? SO THIS IS, UH, MOVING TO THE STEP PLAN, UH, IN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE WITH NO ADDITIONAL INCREASE.
AND THIS IS BASED ON THE COMP PLAN THAT WE DID, COMPENSATION STUDY WE DID IN 23.
AND WHEN WAS IT IMPLEMENTED? IN 24? CORRECT.
SO IT'S COMING UP ON TWO YEARS AGO.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE THIS FAR BEHIND ON THE MARKET.
LIKE DAVID SAID, THE OTHER CONVERSATION IS HOW DO WE CHANGE OUR COMPENSATION MODEL? AND THAT'S WHAT THIS OPTION DOES.
IT JUST CHANGES THE MODEL, KEEPS EVERYTHING THE SAME, BUT THEN, HEY, GUESS WHAT, UM, OF OUR UNOFFICIAL COMPENSATION STUDY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE THIS FAR BEHIND.
I MEAN, TO ME IT'S LIKE, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE TO A, A COMPARATIVE COMP COMPENSATION PLAN.
I THINK IT'S A MEANING STEP PLAN.
UM, AND WE'RE SURE THAT IT'S MERIT BASED AND
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YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE NORMAL REVIEWS AND ALL THAT HAPPENS.UM, AND THEN SEPARATELY, WE SHOULD AGAIN DO A COMP PLAN, I MEAN A COMP STUDY AND SEE WHERE WE ARE.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A LOGICAL PROGRESSION TO ME AS WELL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING AN INCREASE IN ADDITION TO A STEP TO A COMPENSATION CHANGE OR PLAN CHANGE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO THESE NUMBERS WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION OF HOW FAR ARE BEHIND ARE WE YES, THAT'S WHAT THESE NUMBERS WOULD ASK BECAUSE I I LOOK AT GETTING TO MARKET AND IT'S GONNA COST US $475,000 FOR FY 26, THEN THAT MEANS WE'RE $475,000 FOR THE TOTAL BUDGET DIVIDED 4 75 DIVIDED BY THAT.
THEN WHETHER THAT MANY PERCENTAGE IS BEHIND, WHICH ARE ROUGHLY THOSE, ROUGHLY THOSE NUMBERS UP THERE.
AND UM, THE QUESTION IS, IS WHY IS IT, UH, INCREASED SO FAST? IT'S, IT IS AN EMPLOYEE EMPLOYEE'S MARKET.
I DRIVE INTO DALLAS AND I SEE A, A BILLBOARD FOR PLANO POLICE MAKING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.
IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOSH, IT SCARES ME.
YOU KNOW? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BE AT THE TOP NECESSARILY, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO NEED TO COMPENSATE FAIRLY AND AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT.
ARE WE GONNA BE AT 40% OF AVERAGE OR ARE WE GONNA BE AT 60% OF AVERAGE? ARE WE GONNA BE AT 51% OF AVERAGE? THAT CONVERSATION WAS HAD A COUPLE YEARS AGO, COUPLE 10 YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS DECIDED TO BE JUST ABOVE AVERAGE AT LEAST 51%.
SO, UM, TO ME THEY'RE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS.
UH, AND IT, IT DOES START WITH THE COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S SO IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STEP PLAN.
AND AGAIN, SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS OUR COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY IS AVERAGE PLUS 1%.
RIGHT? SO THAT WE'RE ALREADY SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA BE THE HIGHEST, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT BEING, WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY POLICE AND FAR THE LOWEST, BUT WE'RE ALREADY SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY THE HIGHEST, WE'RE PAYING THE AVERAGE PLUS ONE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT COMPARES TO THOSE COMPARATIVE CITIES RIGHT NOW TO 13? YEAH.
RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHAT THEIR PHILOSOPHY.
BUT DO THEY, DO THEY, BUT DO THEY HAVE THAT SAME COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY? IT IS VERY SIMILAR, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE CITY.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PLANNERS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR SCOS, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH IN COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES.
THEY JUST WANT TO BE AT THE TOP.
SO I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THE COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY HAS, HASN'T BEEN REVISITED SINCE 2017.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR TEAM IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT.
SO THAT COMPENSATION WANTS USE FROM CITY SPACE.
I ALSO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE REVISIT THOSE RANGES.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE, THE TOPICS ALREADY COME UP, BUT HOW OFTEN DO WE USUALLY DO THAT? AND IF WE MOVE TO THIS, HOW OFTEN DO WE PLAN TO, YOU KNOW, JUST DO COMPENSATION STUDIES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE RANGES ARE? ABSOLUTELY.
INDUSTRY STANDARD IS ROUGHLY THREE TO FIVE YEARS TO TRY AND KEEP UP WITH THE MARKET.
UM, SO TYPICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT FISCAL 28 IS PROBABLY GONNA HAVE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN.
AND THEN, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE STEP PLANS ITSELF, WHO DECIDED, UH, HOW LONG IT TAKES REALLY TO GET TO TOP OUT THOSE STEPS? AND IS, IS THAT COMPETITIVE? THE AMOUNT OF STEPS? UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT STEVEN DEVELOPED.
UM, HE WAS REALLY, HE'S OUR NUMBERS PERSON.
SO HE REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT ARE THE OTHER CITIES DOING THAT WAS THE AVERAGE, WAS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD AND WHAT FITS ADDISON? AND HE DEVELOPED THOSE STEPS.
SO I I CAN JUST JUMP IN WHEN YOU TALK WHERE THERE'S, THAT IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MARKETS ARE CHANGING, THE WHAT POLICE AND FIRES, WHAT'S HAPPEN WITH POLICE AND FIRES.
NOT ONLY ARE THEY UP INCREASING THEIR PAY, THEY'RE ALSO SHORTENING THEIR STEPS.
WELL, SO THEY'RE SHORTENING THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND DECIDE WHERE WE WANNA LAND, BUT I MEAN, IF WE'RE BUILDING A STEP PLAN THAT DOESN'T KEEP US COMPETITIVE, IT'LL BE A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION IS, IS WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS THAT REALLY COMPETITIVE? 'CAUSE I THINK WE ALREADY SAID TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE, ARE SOME CITIES THAT ARE FRONT LOADING, SO THEY'RE MAKING A WHOLE LOT MORE IN YES.
YOU KNOW, YEAR TWO THAN THEY DID IN YEAR ONE AND THEN IT MIGHT TAKE HER OFF, I'M GUESSING.
I THINK THE CHIEFS COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO IT.
SOMETHING THAT WE DID DO IS WE DID TRY TO FRONT LOAD A LITTLE BIT TO ACTUALLY
SO YOU'LL SEE THE INCREASE ACTUALLY FROM STEP HERE.
STEP ONE, STEP ONE, STEP TWO, YOU'LL SEE 5%, 5%, 4%, IT KIND OF TAPERS OFF.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE 6%, 6% THEN TAPERS OFF AS WELL.
UH, FOR POLICE A SIX YEAR STEP IS AVERAGE, BUT THAT'S WHAT, UM, UH, A GOOD VAST MAJORITY OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING ANYWHERE BETWEEN THAT FOUR TO SIX, BUT SIX IS, IS PERFECTLY THERE.
AND THAT, AND THAT'LL KEEP US BE COMPETITIVE.
AND FOR FIRE ALSO, THERE'S FIVE STEPS, WELL, THERE'S FOUR STEP FOUR, BUT FIVE STEPS COUNT OF STEP ZERO.
ALSO, THERE ARE SOME ANOMALIES WHERE YOU HAVE ONE THAT HAS TWO STEPS WHERE THEY'LL HIRE YOU AND THEN
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A YEAR LATER YOU'RE MAKING POP OUT.AND THEN THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE SEVEN STEPS, BUT AVERAGE IS FINE.
AND I, AND I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN.
SO THE, WITH THE STEP PLAN AND THE, AND THE PACKAGE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, TMRS, OUR, OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, UM, DEFERRED COMP, YOU FEEL LIKE TOGETHER THAT PACKAGE WILL BE EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET? YES.
THERE, DEPENDING ON THE, THE OPTION THAT WE PUT FORWARD, UM, LIKE CHIEF SAID, UH, OUTSIDE OF STEP, WE'VE GOT ALL THE GREAT BENEFITS HERE FOR THE TOWN.
UM, GETTING A STEP PLAN THAT'S COMPETITIVE WITH THE MARKET IN PLACE IS GOING TO HELP NOT ONLY ATTRACT, BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS RETAIN.
UM, BEFORE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT EARLIER SLIDES OF MARIA, YOU TALKED ABOUT 12 TO 14 OR 16 MONTHS, THAT'S REPLACING AN OFFICER THAT'S LEFT.
RIGHT? YOU GOT AN OFFICER WORKING BY THEMSELVES OPERATING IN A CAR, THEY LEAVE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT OFFICER REPLACED FOR 14, 16, 17 MONTHS.
IT'S CHEAPER TO PAY OUR OFFICERS, KEEP THEM HERE.
AND WE CAN GET UP WITH THE CULTURE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THAT COMPENSATION PIECE.
DO YOU TREAT A TRANSFER OFFICER THE SAME AS FAR AS IF HE COMES IN WITH 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE? DEPEND, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I'M TALKING COMING FROM RIGHT.
QUALIFIED DEPARTMENT, QUALIFIED MUNICIPALITY.
IS IT 16 MONTHS BEFORE HE SAID HIS WHAT CAR? MINE? NO, NO, NO.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD'VE TO GO TO THE ACADEMY.
THEY WOULD'VE ABBREVIATED FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS JUST TO LEARN THAT WAY.
AND THEN I, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO AS FAR AS JUST THE MECHANICS OF, OF HOW ALL THIS WILL WORK, IF WE DON'T FUND OPTION FOUR, WHICH GETS US COMPLETELY FUNDED, BUT IF WE GO WITH OPTION THREE, WHAT, WHAT WILL NEXT YEAR LOOK LIKE? WE WOULD HAVE, 'CAUSE YOU, I THINK, I FEEL LIKE YOU TOUCHED ON IT, WE, WE'D HAVE ANOTHER, UM, DECISION PACKAGE, RIGHT? WELL IT WOULDN'T BE A DECISION PACKAGE, BUT THERE WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING TO FUND OVER AND ABOVE THE NORMAL INCREASE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
FISCAL YEAR 27, IT REALLY FROM POLICE AND ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE STEPS, WE'RE ASSUMING, I MEAN WE ONLY HAVE STEP ZERO, STEP FOUR WITH FIRE.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE EASIER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, IT'S ALL GONNA BE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, COMPENSATION STUDIES AND, AND WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THE MARKET IS OKAY.
WHAT WE NORMALLY DO FOR BUDGET FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.
IF WE LOOKED AT THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING IN TERMS OF POPULATION, LET'S CALL IT BEFORE 2028, RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY TREE HOUSE ONE'S OPEN, WE'VE GOT COBALT BUILD, WE'VE GOT GOOD GROVE FINISHED OUT, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE COUPLE THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY OF ADDISON UP BEYOND.
AND WE ALREADY MEASURES IN PLACE FOR THAT GROWTH WITH MORE FTES, MORE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES OR IS THAT A PART OF IT THAT'S ALREADY BUDGETED IN? IS THE GROWTH OR NOT YET? IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
I KNOW DAVID
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESULTS FROM THE MATRIX STUDY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASE POPULATION AND WHAT THEY SUGGEST IS REASONABLE FOR ADDISON.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S MY BACKEND QUESTION IS WHAT IF BEFORE YOU GET TO 28 FOR THE STUDY YES.
WILL THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED BODY-WISE? YES.
WE'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW.
WHAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR OFFICERS PER POPULATION? IS IT PER THOUSAND, PER FIVE? YEAH, I THINK THE LAST ABOUT ONE PER 1500.
UM, BUT AGAIN, ADDISON IS UNIQUE ALRIGHT, BECAUSE WE NOT ONLY HAVE IN OUR RESIDENTIAL POPULATION 17,000 SOME CHANGE, WE HAVE DAYTIME POPULATION WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR.
SO WE CAN'T BE A DEPARTMENT OF 31 OFFICERS, WHICH WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR BUSINESSES, UH, THE TRAFFIC THAT'S HERE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
UM, SO OUR CURRENT STAFF ARE NOW 66 1 OFFICERS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW MANY PER THOUSAND YOU DO? MATH? I'M, I DON'T DO MATH RIGHT NOW.
OF THESE 13 COMPARABLE CITIES.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THEIR OFFICERS PER THOUSAND? YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM, SIR.
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT? I DO NOT KNOW WHAT OTHER OFFICER IT'S GONNA BE.
I MEAN IT'S GONNA BE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN OURS.
I MEAN WE'RE JUST SO UNIQUE THAT THE LOWER THAN OURS.
AND AND I GO TO DAN'S POINT, WE'RE FOUR SQUARE MILES.
WE'RE A VERY SMALL CITY, BUT OUR, OUR NUMBER OF OFFICERS TO OUR POPULATION IS, IS LARGE.
SO, SO I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE THE POPULATION BASE THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE THAT I THINK THAT YOU'RE COMPARING TO, TO DIVIDE THIS PILE AROUND.
WELL, YOU ALSO LOOK AT MY DEALER, YOU ALSO LOOK AT CALLS FOR SERVICE.
PARDON ME? CALLS FOR SERVICE AS WELL BECAUSE
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IN MY 15TH YEAR, I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE COME TO ADDISON TO GET AWAY FROM SOME OF THAT CALL FOR SERVICE CRAP THAT I WAS HAVING TO DO AND COME INTO A GREAT TOWN AS ADDISON IS, WHERE DO WE CUT OFF OUR HIRING? IS IS, DO WE HAVE AN AGE LIMIT OR NO, SIR.WITH US NOT BEING CIVIL SERVICE, WE DON'T.
SO WHEN YOU DO YOUR CALCULATIONS OF, OF WHAT YOU, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, I GUESS MATRIX, THAT MATRIX STUDY, UH, SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF THAT DATA.
UM, AND YOU DO, UH, OFFICERS PER THOUSAND.
WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THAT CALCULATION LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGE DAYTIME POPULATION? LIKE WE HAVE, UH, OTHER CITIES, UH, HAVE A SMALLER DATA POPULATION, ARGUABLY LIKE A FRISCO.
THEY MAY HAVE SMALLER OR PLANO OR SOME OF THE OTHER TOWNS.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT A 17,000 PERSON COUNTY BY ANY MEANS.
WE'D BE SILLY TO EVEN THINK THAT.
UM, 120,000 ON WHATEVER THE NUMBERS ARE.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES, UH, HOW, WHATS THE COMPARISON ON THAT? THE NUMBERS AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GOING JUST BASED OFF THAT ALONE, IF YOU'VE GOT A MIGRATION 104,000, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED TO A HUNDRED, 510 PERSON.
SO SOME SORT OF HYBRID FORMULA.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT KNOW, BECAUSE WE CAN'T STAFF TO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT POPUL, WE CAN'T STAFF TO 70,000.
CALLS FOR SERVICE NEED RESOURCES.
UH, AND THEN WE MAKE THE BEST DETERMINATION FOR THAT.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, CALCULATED OR, OR UM, THE FORMULA THAT THAT IS, TAKES ALL THAT IN CONSIDERATION HOW WE COMPARE IT TO THE OTHER CITIES.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE A HIGHER OR LOWER DAYTIME POPULATION AND THEN THERE SHOULD BE SOME HYBRID FORMULA THAT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION.
UM, SO WHEN WE DO I HIJACKED YOUR QUESTION.
UH, SO, UM, WHEN WE SEND OFFICERS, UH, FIREFIGHTERS THROUGH THE ACADEMIES OR, OR THE TRAINING, DO THEY HAVE A CONTRACT TO STAY SOME AMOUNT, UH, AFTER THEY GO THROUGH TRAINING? LIKE IF THE TRAININGS 12 TO 18 MONTHS TO DO THEY HAVE TO STAY FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OR NO SIR.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT.
UH, THAT HAS BEEN, UM, KIND OF PUSHING INDUSTRIES IN LATE, BUT THERE'S BEEN CHALLENGES, LEGAL CHALLENGES TO THIS.
UM, SO NO, WE DON'T HAVE AN EMPLOYEE CONTRACT.
MAYBE BY SAME WE EXPLORED THAT.
BUT ANY TRA SO YOU SAID THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CONVERSATION IN THE INDUSTRY THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT BUT NOT, SO SOME AGENCIES THAT HAS DONE IT AND THEY'VE HAD SOME, SOME REAL CHALLENGES WHEN THEY TRY TO GO AND COLLECT THAT TO GO THROUGH.
A DEBT COLLECTOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S JUST NOT, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PRETTY EASY.
SO IF WE HAVE, IF WE, IF OUR COMPENSATION IS CLOSED, WE STILL ARE HIGHLY ATTRACTIVE TO CANDIDATES.
I THINK ADDISON IS AT A VERY ATTRACTIVE PRICE, REAL THROUGH WORK.
UM, AGAIN, AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT RECRUITING, RECRUITING, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE PROBABLY ON THE POINT THAT WE LOOK AT RETENTION.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST COMPENSATING OUR OFFICERS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE WITH THE MARKET AVERAGE TO KEEP THEM HERE.
'CAUSE IT'S FAR MORE CONSTANTLY TO LOSE THAT 2, 3, 4, 5 YEAR OFFICER AND THEN TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE COMING IN.
SO YES, STEP IS GREAT FOR RECRUITING.
NOW WE CAN COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA GO A LONG WAY RETAINING THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE HERE NOW.
SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT, I THOUGHT WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT A MORE FREQUENT COMPENSATION STUDY.
UH, DID WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT OR HOW MANY PROGRESS ON THAT? UM, INSTEAD OF EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS DOING A REALLY BIG STUDY, THERE SOME MINI STUDY THAT KEEPS US, YOU KNOW, AFTER TWO YEARS IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE 5% BEHIND ALREADY.
AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL 2028 TO DO ANOTHER STUDY AND WE DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE, I, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A COMPENSATION STUDY, THAT'S, THAT'S EVERY SINGLE POSITION IN THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION MM-HMM
AND SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT DOING THAT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THREE YEARS.
THAT'S A PRETTY BIG UNDERTAKING.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, AND I'M MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS MM-HMM
IF WE, IF WE KNOW SOMETHING, AND CERTAINLY POLICING FIRES ARE GONNA STICK OUT, BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER POSITION, AN IT POSITION THAT'S JUST, WE KNOW THE MARKET'S CRAZY.
WE'LL CERTAINLY IN, IN A GIVEN YEAR DO A DEEP DIVE ON ONE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EVEN DO AT A STAFF LEVEL.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO CONTRACT OUT SURE.
TO GO GET COMPARE YOUR CITIES, THIS ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION, IT'S ALL PUBLIC.
SO IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE WORK.
BUT THAT'S NOT, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE WOULD DO.
I THINK I, WE WON'T, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO DO A WHOLE STUDY FOR THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION MORE THAN EVERY THREE YEARS.
SO DOING A STUDY FOR POLICE AND FIRE, YOU KNOW, 80, 90% ACCURATE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DONE IN-HOUSE.
I MEAN, I THINK THE NUMBERS YOU'RE SEEING ARE ACCURATE.
THEY'RE THE NUMBERS THAT, THAT AT LEAST 80% ACCURATE.
I MEAN, I SAY THE THING, THE THING WITH THESE STUDIES IS IT'S AT POINT IN TIME.
SO WHENEVER HR WENT AND GOT 'EM, IT'S CERTAINLY BY THE TIME SOMEONE ELSE LOOKED AT IT, THREE MONTHS LATER THERE'S GONNA BE CHANGES.
SO IT'S, THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF IT.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT, SO THE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY ACCURATE.
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BE, LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGES YOU PROVIDED IS ALMOST 10% PER DEPARTMENT TURNOVER OF YOUR FTES.WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE ON AVERAGE COST LOSS? BACK TO, WHAT DOES IT COST TO LOSE THAT TWO TO THREE FOUR YEAR VETERAN? WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER LOOK LIKE FROM FACTORING IN TRAINING TO ABSORB STEP THREE, STEP TWO, STEP FOUR, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AT ALMOST 10 10% PER DEPARTMENT PER YEAR? HOW IS THERE A QUANTIFIABLE NUMBER TO WHAT WE'RE LOSING EVERY TIME THESE PEOPLE TAKE OFF? HAVE WE QUANTIFIED THAT NUMBER? NO, WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DIG INTO.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE, SOME ASSUMPTION.
IT WON'T BE AN EXACT NUMBER BUT, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE MORE THAN SIX FIGURES TO LOSE A FOUR OR FIVE YEAR VETERAN TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT TO GET THE ANOTHER PERSON REPLACED AND TRAINED.
WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER LOOK LIKE? IT'S GOTTA BE OVER SIX FIGURES JUST BY SALARY LOSS AND THEN TRAIN.
I'D LOVE TO KNOW IF IT'S HUNDRED 50,000 TO 50,000 PER LOSS AT 10% A YEAR.
WE HAVE ESTIMATES ON WHAT IT COSTS YOU HIGHER ON A NEW OFFICER, HIGHER TRAINED.
SO MY POINT IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A $475,000 BUYIN, IT'S REALLY A 10% LOSS OF SIX, SEVEN EMPLOYEES.
SEEMS LIKE A HUGE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN.
WE'RE NOT EVEN CALCULATING THE LOSS OF THOSE SEVEN OR EIGHT EMPLOYEES ON PAPER EVERY YEAR.
AND YOU'RE LOSING THE LEADERSHIP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING NUMBER FOLKS, WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR 35,000, LIKE IT'S 4.7 MILLION.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BIG NUMBER, BUT WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN THE LOSS AS I'M READING THIS CHART, I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT LOSS LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FAR GREATER, IN MY OPINION, IN 475,000.
SO WE AGREED TO COMPARE THOSE APPLES OR FRUITS.
AT LEAST HAVE THAT OUT THERE SO EVERYONE CAN BE AWARE OF THAT.
THESE CHARTS SHOWING THE TURNOVER, THESE ARE GRASS AND I'M JUST GUESSING THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE OTHER CITIES, THEIR CHARTS LOOK LIKE THAT TOO.
IS THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO US TO SEE BECAUSE THIS MAY BE A PROBLEM THAT CAN'T BE SOLVED.
I MEAN, WE'RE CHASING THE DOLLAR.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY DON'T WANNA BE COMPETITIVE.
I DO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA FIX THAT BECAUSE THE THING THAT'S HAPPENING IN EVERY CITY AND IF WE GO UP, THEY GO UP AND THEY GO UP, WE GO UP AND IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE MY QUESTION.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, I THINK I REMEMBER FROM THE STUDYING OF THE PAYROLL BEFORE, WE'RE PAYING 17% FOR RETIREMENT.
IS THAT RIGHT? REMEMBER RIGHT.
DO THE OTHER CITIES PAY THAT AS WELL? EVERY, ARE YOUR EMPLOYEES GETTING THAT BENEFIT? EVERY CITY IS IN TMRS WE'RE ALL THE SAME.
SO, SO OUR BENEFITS ARE THE SAME TOO.
SO WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP WITH A CONVERSATION.
THERE'S SOME BENEFITS THAT WE HAVE.
THE FACT THAT WE DON'T PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY, WE'RE ABLE TO DO DEFER BY NOT ABLE TO, DON'T GO INTO SOCIAL PAYING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY.
WE OFFER A MATCH ON OUR DEFERRED COMP, WHICH IS A BENEFIT THAT WE OFFER THAT NOT ALL CITIES OFFER, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT DID NOT OPT OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY.
SO THAT'S A BIG BENEFIT THAT WE HAVE AND WE STILL HAVE A VERY GENEROUS HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM.
SO I JUST THINK THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TOO.
SO WHERE WE'RE 50% PLUS ONE, IS IT PLUS $1 OR IS IT PLUS 1%? SO, BUT THAT'S NOT 51%, IT'S 50.
IT JUST SOUNDS BETTER TO SAY
WELL WE, WE MIGHT EVEN BE BETTER THAN THAT BECAUSE IF OUR BENEFIT PACKAGE IS BETTER, THEN WE MIGHT LOOK MORE ATTRACTED TO RETAIN SOMEONE OR TO TRACK SOMETHING.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIX THESE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, I I TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SOLVE THAT.
AND MY MY THE THIRD QUESTION THAT I'LL SHUT UP THE, UM, 275,000 OR 475,000, WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THOSE DOLLARS TO PAY THE INCREASE? ARE WE GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE? BECAUSE I MEAN, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP UP, UP, UP, UP.
I MEAN, SOMEWHERE WE'VE GOTTA GIVE AND TAKE.
SO, WELL IT WOULD, IF, IF THAT'S DIRECTION, THE TENANT OF DIRECTION TODAY, IT WOULD BE A DECISION PACKAGE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.
AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS TO TAKE THE DOLLARS AWAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT I MEAN, WE ALL VOTED NUMBER ONE IS PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION.
SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY ALL ON BOARD WITH BEING COMPETITIVE HERE.
THAT PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS HOW ARE GONNA, DOES IT TYPICALLY COME OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND? OH, IT, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND THAT MEANS IT'S COMING FROM PROPERTY TAX RATES AND SELF TAX.
SO STEPPING OUTTA THE MATH FOR JUST A MINUTE BECAUSE MATH HURTS MY HEAD A LITTLE BIT TOO.
UM, SO WHEN YOU COMPARE OPTION THREE WITH OPTION FOUR, OPTION FOUR SEEMS TO BE THE MOST FAIR AND EQUITABLE.
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HELD BACK FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.HOW IF WE, IF BETWEEN OPTION THREE AND FOUR, IF YOU DID OPTION THREE, HOW MANY WOULD BE, WOULD HAVE TO WAIT THAT TWO YEARS TO GET CAUGHT UP? HOW MANY, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? STEVEN, DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF HEAD? I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE AROUND, UH, 20 TO 25 OF THE SWORN OFFICERS THAT WERE ALREADY AT THE MAX.
UM, AND UH, I THINK THERE WERE ABOUT 15 TO 18 THAT WOULD NOT TRANSITION FULLY THAT FIRST YEAR.
SO THEY WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL STEP THAT SECOND YEAR.
SO MAYBE 20 PERCENTISH ABOUT 20% SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE TO ME THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MAKES, UH, I MEAN IT IS ALL EXPENSIVE AND, AND, AND WE, WE HAVE TO STAY COMPETITIVE OR, OR BECOME COMPETITIVE AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A AND AND YOU CAN'T FIX COMPENSATION.
WE, WE'VE, I'VE HEARD THAT EXPRESSION IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WELL WE NEED TO FIX COMPENSATION.
IT'S NOT A FIX, IT'S A MOVING TARGET AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE TO YOUR POINT, HOWARD, AND, AND, AND YEAH, WE HAVE TO CHASE IT AND TRY TO, TRY TO STAY UP WITH IT AND STAY COMPETITIVE.
AND THAT'S WHY FOR ME, I MEAN IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND I, I I A HUNDRED PERCENT BELIEVE WE, WE NEED TO DO THIS TO, TO BE COMPETITIVE, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T GO WITH OPTION FOUR BECAUSE I DON'T, I, I DON'T WANT THAT THERE TO BE THAT GROUP OF, UH, OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE THAT'S KINDA LEFT OUT FOR THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO.
IT JUST DOESN'T THAT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM VERY, UH, ADDISON FRIENDLY TO ME.
YOU'RE INTERESTED TO SEE IF THE FTES, THE TERM RATIO SHRUNK TO 6% OR 5% FOR SURE.
MAYBE A WASH THAT WE'LL NEVER KNOW.
WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T JUST SHOVE OUR CHIPS IN AND SAY WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT.
WHO WE'VE ALL MENTIONED THE WHOLE TOWN HAS SAID THIS LEAS AND FIRE, LEA AND FIRE BY WHIPPING A HORSE.
BUT LET'S BACK OFF OF THAT NOW.
IT SCARES ME, BUT WE'RE NOT QUANTIFYING IT WITH THE FTE TURNOVER.
THAT'S WHY I WISH THAT NUMBER WERE HERE INTANGIBLE TO SAY, GOSH, WE'RE BLEEDING OUT 800,000, 4 75 LOOKS PRETTY SWEET.
THAT'S WHAT I WISH WE HAD THAT NUMBER.
'CAUSE EVERYONE'S ATTITUDE WOULD PROBABLY GO, HUH.
BUT EVEN, EVEN WITHOUT THAT EXACT NUMBER, DAN, I THINK IT'S REALLY EASY FOR ANY OF US, IF IT'S JUST A FEW AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND PER MM-HMM
IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO $800,000 OF LOSS.
IT WILL NEVER BE BALANCED PERFECTLY, BUT THAT'S WHY OPTION FOUR TO ME IS A NO-BRAINER BECAUSE IT'S NOT A 4.7 MILLION, 1.3 MILLION, IT'S NOT A MASSIVE NUMBER.
IT LOOKS LIKE A BIGGER NUMBER 'CAUSE IT'S BIGGER THAN THE ONE TO THE LEFT.
BUT IT, IT DOESN'T PUNISH THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN HERE TWO OR THREE YEARS THAT NO, NO, NO.
CHILL OUT, PUT OUT THERE, HANG IN THERE A LITTLE LONGER.
THEY MIGHT LEAVE CORRECT BACK OF THE HOLE WITH THE FTES AGAIN GOING ON AVERAGE.
STILL TURNING, BUT I BET, YEAH.
MY OPINION, IF WE PICK FOUR, WE LOOK AT THE FT IN ONE YEAR FROM NOW, ACTUALLY CAN DO ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
I MEAN IT IS LOST PER, PER EMPLOYEE, I'LL GUARANTEE IT.
I AGREE THAT THAT BASIS, SO IF YOU, IF YOU, UH, IT'S CALLED THE COST OF, UH, EMPLOYEE TURNOVER'S, WHAT IT'S CALLED.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE A COST OF EMPLOYEE TURNOVER AND YOU STOP THAT LEAK, THEN YOU GET A BENEFIT OF COST FROM SOMEWHERE.
WHERE ARE YOU GONNA GET THE BENEFIT OF COST? ARE WE GONNA LOWER THE FTE IN THE DEPARTMENTS? IF WE DON'T, THEN THERE IS NO BENEFIT OF COST.
SO, SO THEORETICALLY YOU WOULD SAY THAT ALL THIS EXTRA TRAINING AND RETRAINING MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE STAFF BECAUSE WE'RE CARRYING THIS TRAINING AND WE HAVE TO DOUBLE PEOPLE UP MORE, MORE FREQUENTLY OR TRIPLE.
AND IF WE DO GET MORE COMPETITIVE AND WE HAVE A LONGER TENURE AND WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TURNOVER, THEN THE STAFF WOULD BE LEANER.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR SAVINGS WOULD COME FROM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE.
IF WE'RE AT 61 NOW, WOULD WE BE DOWN TO 60 OR WOULD FULLY STAFFED AS SOME 65 MEMBER OR WHATEVER IT IS.
WOULD WE BE FULLY STAFFED AT 63 BECAUSE NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR SO MUCH TURNOVER? WELL, WE, WE WOULDN'T DECREASE STAFFING.
UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, AND THIS IS JUST, JUST GET EDUCATION FOR, UH, IF YOU'VE, JUST, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 66 OFFICERS, LET'S SAY WE'RE FULLY STAFFED FOR 66.
OPERATIONALLY WE'RE STILL DOWN BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE EVERY SPOT FILLED, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE 10 OFFICERS IN TRAINING.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT RUN BY THEMSELVES.
SO TO YOUR QUESTION, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DEPARTMENT AROUND HERE.
WE OH WELL, IT IS FULLY OPERATING AT FULLY STAFFED WITH NOBODY IN TRAINING.
NOBODY ON THE F NOBODY DON'T BELIEVE.
SO, YEAH, IT IS VERY EASY TO SAY, OH, WE HAVE 66 OFFICERS.
THAT'S NOT YOUR OPERATIONAL NUMBER THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING WITH.
THAT'S WHY IF THE STUDY COMES OUT AND SAYS, HEY, WE NEED X NUMBER OF OFFICERS, WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE THAT MANY OFFICERS ACTION ON THE STREET BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OFFICERS THAT SERVE THE MILITARY, SO THEY'RE NOT ON EMPLOYMENT LEAVE.
WE GOT OFFICERS WHO GET INJURED, THE OFFICERS EVEN GO OUT ON LEAVE.
WE HAVE VACANCIES, WE HAVE RETIREMENTS.
THAT'S STILL THAT 15, 16, 7 MONTH TO
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REPLACE THAT.SO YES, WE, WE HAVE THE NUMBER ON PAPER, BUT OPERATIONAL, WE'RE ALWAYS OPERATING BELOW AT THAT NUMBER.
AND SO TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE ANY SAVINGS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF I DISAGREE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE JAILS AND RICHARDSON, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE EMPLOYEES TWO A TIME PLUS ON DOWN IN JAIL AND THE TOWN 12 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND PLUS PER DAY OR A WEEKEND ON FRIDAY NIGHT, NOT STAFFED PRETTY CLOSE.
EVEN IF IT'S NOT A MONETARY SAVINGS, IT'S A COVERAGE SITUATION.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T WANT FOOL OURSELVES THINKING THAT IF THERE IS A A MONETARY SAVINGS, I'LL PLACE THAT BET WITH YOU FOR ONE YEAR FROM NOW.
IF WE DO THE STEP FORWARD AND WE LOOK AT THIS IN A FROM NOW, I'LL BUY YOU DINNER, I'D HAVE DINNER ARE NOT GONNA CHANGE.
DO I GET, DO I GET TO CHOOSE? SO, UM, THE UH, UM, I JUST WANT TO NOT MISS THE FACT THAT YEAH, COST OF, AND IN BUSINESSES THEN YOU, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF IT SOMETIMES, AND ADDISON IS A SMALLER TOWN, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER.
WE HAVE SPOTS THAT HAVE TO BE FILLED AND THAT'S JUST GONNA BE THAT NUMBER WHETHER THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A PLAYERS ON THE TEAM OR WHETHER WE'RE HAVING TO RETRAIN PEOPLE.
BUT THE TRAINING LOAD, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT MAY BE GO DOWN BY EIGHT INSTEAD OF 10 AT ANY ONE TIME.
AND THAT MAY ALLOW, AND IT MAY LOWER OVERTIME, I SUPPOSE LOWER THE OVERTIME, BUT THE MORALE HIT AND THE UM, THE, UH, TRIBAL KNOWLEDGE AND THE LEADERSHIP HIT IS, IS THE BIGGER HIT TO ME.
UH, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'LL SAVE ANY MONEY.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT COST OF TURNOVER COMING BACK.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE SMALLER DEPARTMENTS IS HARDER TO SEE LARGER DEPARTMENTS THAN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE COVERING THOSE PLACES.
WE JUST SEE, I THINK IT'S THE NATURE OF THE, I JUST DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE A SAVINGS.
MARLIN BEEN HERE, YOU GOT THIS VE LOCKED DOWN.
TALKING ABOUT SWORN OFFICERS HERE.
SO CHIEF RE JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
IS THERE EVER A TIME WHERE YOU STEPPED DOWN OR MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T GET A STEP UP? ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT THROUGH THE VALIDATION OFFICER, WE WOULD'VE TOLD TO STEP.
DID YOU EVER STEP DOWN OR DID THEY ABLE TO STEP OUT? UH, THERE WAS ALWAYS THINGS LIKE DEMOTION IN TERMS EVIDENCE.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA BOG THINGS DOWN, BUT I, I DEFINITELY THINK WE ALL, ALL ALL CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF NEED, NEED A UPDATE ON OUR, UM, COMPARATOR CITY COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHIES.
AND LIKE A MATRIX, WE HAVE THAT DONE.
BUT THAT WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
I MEAN, NOT NOT FOR TONIGHT'S DECISION, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE IT GOING FORWARD IF WE CAN GET THAT PLEASE.
UM, AND SO YEAH, I, I LIKE WHERE THE DISCUSSION IS GOING BECAUSE I, I THINK I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY, LET'S NOT DO A STEP PLAN.
SO MY THOUGHT IS I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND I THINK IT'S NEEDED.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ON THE COUNCIL AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN OUR COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY, YOU, YOU NEED TO SEE THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, I'VE BETTER A PRINT OUT, KINDA ALWAYS CARRY IT WITH ME.
SO IT'S, IT'S 1% BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE OF OUR 13 TO BURGER CITIES.
AND, AND FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HONORED THAT.
AND SO UNLESS WE CHANGE THAT PHILOSOPHY, WE GOTTA STICK WITH THAT PHILOSOPHY AND, AND GET CAUGHT UP AND GET, GET BACK ON TRACK.
SO FOR ME, IT'S, IT IS, UM, WE, WE NEED TO HONOR THAT.
AND, UM, IF, IF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT CHANGING THAT AT A LATER DATE, THEN, THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT UNTIL THEN WE NEED TO HONOR THAT.
SO, SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I WANT TO IMPLEMENT A STEP PLAN AND IT'S JUST, TO ME, IT'S, IT'S, UM, HOW QUICKLY DO, DO WE GET THERE? HOW QUICKLY DO WE IMPLEMENT IT AND GET CAUGHT BACK.
UM, SO I'M GONNA COME AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED, BUT, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG AMOUNT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOTTA PAY.
AND I'M LOOKING AT OPTION THREE, BUT I, I THINK THESE MARKET, UH, MARKET STUDY UPDATES ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND, AND PART OF THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PACKAGE HERE.
SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US RATHER THAN GO THREE TO FIVE YEARS ON THAT KIND OF, KIND OF STICK WITH THE PROGRAM OF MAYBE THREE YEARS, OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST KIND OF KIDDING OURSELVES ABOUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, PAYING BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE IS.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE BEHIND IT, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS BEHIND IT.
SO, SO I'M, I'M OF THE OPINION TO GO WITH OPTION THREE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, BUT ALSO ADD SOMETHING AND SAY, HEY, MARKET STUDIES EVERY, EVERY THREE YEARS.
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WHAT WE NEED.I THINK ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION, I PROMISE YOU DON'T HAVE A QUICK QUESTION,
SO WHAT'S A BUDGETED INCREASE NOW FOR THESE DEPARTMENTS? BUDGETED INCREASE NOW IF WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, IT'S 4%, RIGHT? CORRECT.
JUST WANNA SAY THAT THERE IS AN INCREASE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET, IN THIS BUDGET.
IT'S JUST HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN WE GO TO STEP? DO WE JUST GO STRAIGHT ACROSS WITH THAT BUDGET THAT'S ALREADY BUDGETED OR ARE WE GONNA SPEND MORE MONEY? AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? SO 4% THANK IS IT 4% PLUS THIS? NO, NO, NO.
THIS IS THE 4% AS I WENT AS I WAS READING THROUGH THIS OPTION.
ONE IS, OPTION ONE IS 4%, OPTION ONE IS FOUR, AND THEN OPTION FOUR IS 4% PLUS 4 75.
PLUS 400 MORE OR 200 MORE TO GO TO THE POLICE JAIL.
AND RICHARDSON, IT'S ANOTHER 200,000.
YOU'RE JUST SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY.
I, I MIGHT TEND TO AGREE WITH THREE.
IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO RUN A CITY.
OKAY, WELL THERE'S THINGS I DON'T LIKE THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO SOMETHING.
I THINK THESE ARE IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S 4% PLUS 4, 7, 5.
AND WHAT IS 4%? HOW MANY S 4% DO YOU KNOW, STEVE, YOU KNOW, TOP OF YOUR HEAD TOWN? UH, TOWN, TOWN WIDE OR JUST, UH, I BELIEVE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS AROUND 280,000.
AND THEN FOR, I'M SORRY, FOR POLICE 280 AND THEN FOR, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT I BELIEVE WAS ABOUT 245,000.
THAT'S A MILLION DOLLARS TOGETHER.
I, I'D LIKE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, AND GET A, GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION ON, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.
OPTION THREE OR FOUR, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANOTHER IDEA, BUT, UM, AND WE'RE NOT VOTING BECAUSE WE DON'T VOTE, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME INPUT.
I STARTED, I SHARED, UH, I THINK OPTION FOUR IS THE WAY TO GO.
STEVEN, WHAT IS, UM, ONE PENNY ON THE TAX RATE? IS IT 350,000, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25? AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE DATA YET FOR 26.
IT'S CLOSER TO, UH, AROUND 650,000.
ONE PENNY IS THREE 600, CORRECT.
YEAH, THAT'S THE TOTAL FOR OPERATIONS.
IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO, UM, A LITTLE OVER 400,000.
WELL, I WANNA DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO, UM, RECRUIT AND RETAIN THE BEST.
I HATE TO HEAR HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF THIS PLACE WHERE OFFICERS FIREFIGHTERS ARE GETTING THEIR, YOU KNOW, FOOT HOLDING THE METROPLEX AND WE'RE TRAINING 'EM UP.
WE'RE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY AND THEN THEY'RE LEAVING GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, I I, I'D LOVE TO KNOCK IT OUT ALL AT ONCE WITH OPTION FOUR.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS JUST WHAT THAT IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON THE BUDGET.
UM, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY.
IF, IF YOU SAY FORWARD, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A FULL CONVERSATION, THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IMPACT ON THE BUDGET.
SO YOU'D LIKE TO SEE OPTION FOUR IMPACT ON THE BUDGET? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD BUDGET.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD OPTIONS FOR WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE TAX RATE'S GONNA BE NEXT YEAR.
WELL, WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE BUDGET YET AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GIVING 'EM DIRECTION SO THEY CAN PREPARE A BUDGET FOR US.
I UNDERSTAND THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DECISIONS.
I'M ALL FOR MOVING TO THE STEP OF OPTION ONE.
AND THEN IF, UH, OPTION ONE, UM, I'M NOT DONE.
AND THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU RIGHT.
'CAUSE THAT'S MOVING THE STEP, THAT'S MOVING TO THE STEP, THE STEP FORMAT, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT.
AND UNDERSTANDING, WHICH IS MORE, IS NEW INFORMATION TO ME AS OF LAST WEDNESDAY.
THE HOW FAR BEHIND WE ARE ON, ON COMPENSATION.
UM, I, UM, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO MAKE BALANCE THE BUDGET, UH, SOME WAY AND GO WITHOUT OPTION THREE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, FIND SOME PLACES WHERE WE NEED TO SHARPEN PENCIL, BUT I'M GOING WITH OPTION THREE.
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HOWARD, RANDY? UH, I ALREADY SAID THREE.THAT WOULD BE SQUARELY AN OPTION ONE IF WE DID ANY OF THEM.
AND I'M NOT OPPOSED, I DON'T WANNA SEE THE MERIT SYSTEM DONE AWAY WITH JUST TO GET A RAISE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN HERE ANOTHER YEAR GOES AGAINST THE MERIT SYSTEM.
PLEASE, THAT WILL NOT BE THE CASE.
AND I, I, I, UM, THE SENIOR MANAGER HAS, HAS PLACED CHIEF KNIGHT IN THE POSITION.
IF WE'RE NOT HOLDING OUR PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, THEN THAT, THAT'S ON US.
I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, MOVING A STEP CLAIM DOES NOT GET WORTH IN THERE.
MOVE TO A NEXT STEP, HONESTLY, EARNED IT.
IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE METRICS THAT SEPARATE PEOPLE, HELL, THIS IS NOT SHOWING A PAYCHECK.
AND OUR, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION IS BUILT ON TEAMWORK.
AND NOBODY'S GOING TO GET, NOBODY'S GONNA ALLOW SOMEBODY TO NOT DO THEIR JOB AND CARRY THEIR WEIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA WORK THEMSELVES OUT THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE ALL OF OUR TASK BOOKS, FTO PROCESS, OUR WHOLE NEW HIRE PROCESS, EVERY PROMOTIONAL PROCESS, UH, OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE HIGHER THAN MOST CITIES.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR PROMOTIONS.
SO WE CAN CONSTANTLY PUSH FOR PEOPLE TO BE AT THEIR VERY BEST.
SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT BEING SUCCESSFUL WILL NOT LAST IN OUR SYSTEM.
AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE, AND THAT'S THE BENEFIT BOTH OF YOU HAVE OF RUNNING A SMALLER DEPARTMENT.
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE EYES ON EVERY EMPLOYEE BETTER THAN A LARGE DEPARTMENT CAN, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I JUST, AND I KNOW BOTH OF YOU WILL KEEP MERIT AT YOUR HEART OF THIS.
I'M WORRIED 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THE NEXT ONE'S THAT COME THROUGH.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW OUR PEOPLE, BOTH OF OUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE GREAT REPUTATIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
LIKE I SAY, THERE ARE PEOPLE I WISHED I COULD HAVE COME OVER HERE IN MY 15TH OR 20TH YEAR AND GOT AWAY FROM SOME OF THE CRAP AND GOT INTO A GOOD CITY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US START TRYING TO RECRUIT MORE VETERAN PEOPLE FROM BOTH FIRE AND POLICE INTO OUR CITY AND, AND SHOW THEM THE BENEFIT OF NOT BEING CIVIL SERVICE AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE HOOPS OF THAT.
YOU, WE BOTH HAVE, WE HAVE THAT GOING FOR US THAT WE'RE NOT CIVIL SERVICE.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
SO I HEAR, DID I HEAR FOUR? DID I HEAR FOUR PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT 3% THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT OPTION THREE? YEAH, THREE.
THREE SAYING FOUR AND THREE SAYING THREE.
AND THEN RANDY'S TRYING TO LOCK DOWN HIS FINAL
HOW MUCH DIFFICULTY IS IT GOING INTO THE BUDGET TO, TO HAVE, UM, AN OPTION WITH THREE OR FOUR WITH A PRESENTATION WISE, HUGE PRESENTATIONS TEAM.
WELL, I HAVE TO HAVE A, I LEGALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PROPOSED BUDGET, SO I'LL HAVE AN OPTION IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, BUT DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, THAT'S EASY TO HAVE.
I'LL HAVE A ONE IN THE BUDGET AND THEN WE'LL SHOW HERE'S THE TAX RATE IMPACT TO DOING THIS OR THAT.
BUT, BUT IF YOU, IF WE WENT WITH OPTION, YEAH, THAT'LL CERTAINLY BE PART OF THE BUDGET WHEN WE HAVE THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND WE GO THROUGH ALL THIS.
YEAH, THAT'LL BE, WE'LL BRING THIS UP.
WE'LL SAY, WELL, HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH EACH.
UM, BUT IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET, I MEAN, I'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER AT LEAST.
IS THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR US? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO GO.
I GOTTA, WE YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE THAT YOU WANTED.
SO I COULD HAVE ONE IN THE BUDGET.
SO, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BUDGET AS, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT WORST CASE, BUT HIGHEST CASE WITH OPTION FOUR.
AND THEN IF, AND THEN, AND THEN TELL US WHAT THE DELTA IS.
IF WE WERE TO GO TO, TO OPTION THREE, Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY THIS, IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THE MERIT BASED WITH THE STEP, I WOULD BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS STEP.
I THINK MERIT BASED IS BETTER.
I AGREE WITH RANDY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE 12 OTHER CITIES, 13 CITIES TO COMPARE TO AND WHERE DEFICIT.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A, A STEP PROGRAM, BUT WITH AMERICAN COMPONENTS.
SO OTHERWISE I'D BE STAYING NUMBER ONE TOO.
BUT I THINK THREE IS OKAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO, SOMEWHERE WE'VE GOTTA CUT SOME DOLLARS.
SO I THINK THIS IS A PLACE WE CAN, WE'RE STILL IMPROVING, WE'RE STILL HELPING EVERYBODY.
WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME.
SAVE A COUPLE, THAT'S PART OF THE BIGGER, BIGGER BUDGET DISCUSSION FOR SURE.
SO DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED
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I DON'T, SO ARE YOU, ARE IS, ARE Y'ALL OKAY WITH HIM PRESENTING IT THAT WAY WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET WITH OPTION FOUR? AND THEN SHOW US WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IF, IF WE WANTED TO DO OPTION THREE AND IS THAT DOABLE? THAT WOULD BE, I'M, I'M OKAY IF THAT, IF IT'S AN OPTION, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE CHOSE THIS OPTION, WE CALL IT THREE, EVERYTHING IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET'S AN OPTION, RIGHT? IT'S JUST A PROPOSAL.I MEAN, JUST SO IT'S REAL CLEAR OF COURSE.
HIS POINT OR THAT POINT, I'M OKAY TO LOOKING AT ERRORS WHERE WE CAN SHAVE DOLLARS OFF.
WE DONE, WE'VE RESTARTED THAT PROCESS A FEW YEARS.
THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE, AND THAT'LL PART IT TOO.
THE SAME, WHETHER THEY'RE ASKING IS WE, WE MAKE, MAKE AMENDS GET BACK TO WHOLE THIS WERE PRIORITY SIX, WE WOULDN'T NEED EVEN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE FOR THE TOWN.
TO RANDY'S POINT, THE MERIT CONVERSATION WAS DEEP AND LONG IN THE LAST WORK SESSION.
WE HAD TO BE REALLY GOOD ONE TO LOOK AT.
I HAD THE SAME QUESTION, AND IF I DIDN'T TRUST THE GUYS TO DO THE JOB, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT GUYS.
SO THAT'S I AGREE WITH THAT TODAY.
WELL, AND IF WE DON'T IN THE FUTURE, THEN WE HAVE THE WRONG GUYS.
AND THAT MEANS WE HIRED THE WRONG CITY MANAGER THAT HIRED THE WRONG GUY.
I I'M GOOD WITH DIRECTION NEXT TIME FORWARD WITH OFFICER FOR SURE.
IF WE CAN BALANCE A BUDGET, THEN THAT'S THEN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WELL, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET, SO WELL HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET.
[b. Present and discuss proposed amendments to the Code of Ordinances - Chapter 10, entitled Animals, and associated fees.]
FOUR B, PRESENT AND DISCUSS PROPOSED MEMBERS TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.CHAPTER 10 ENTITLED ANIMALS AND ASSOCIATED FEE.
COUNCIL EZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
SO THIS EVENING WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU, UM, OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING OUR ANIMAL SERVICES ORDINANCE.
THIS IS BASICALLY REVIEW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU, UH, CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO IF YOU RECALL WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT WAS EXPANDED TO THROUGH THE NAME OF THE SERVICES DIVISION.
BASICALLY, UH, THIS TOOK THE EXISTING CO COMPLIANCE, UH, DIVISION AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH MOVED THEM OVER TO ANIMAL TO, I'M SORRY, TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
AND THEN WITH THAT EXTENSION, WE ALSO INCLUDE THE TRANSFER OF ANIMAL SERVICES FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, ONE OF THE FIRST ORDERS OF BUSINESS FOR ANIMAL SERVICES.
WE STARTED OPERAT UNDER THE RELEVANT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO CLARIFY AND REDEFINE OUR EXISTING OPERATIONS AND PROCEDURES, UH, INCLUDED.
AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF EXISTING ANIMAL RELATED S UH, WE WANTED TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS THE BEST METHOD FOR US TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS OUR NEEDS AND, UH, PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR ENFORCEMENT AS WE CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.
THERE'S A LOT THAT'S CHANGED IN THE INDUSTRY OVER THE YEARS, UH, SINCE THE TIME THAT OUR CORPORAL ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED, WHICH WAS IN THE EIGHTIES.
UH, OUR STAFF HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN REVIEWING AND ANALYZING ORDINANCES FROM, UH, MUNICIPALITIES TO OUR, UH, METRO PRINTS.
AND, UH, WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW OTHERS ARE RESPONDING TO CERTAIN TYPES OF, UH, CALLS AND REQUESTS FOR SERVICE.
THE REVISIONS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, WILL ASSIST US IN BRINGING OUR ORGANIZATION IN LINE WITH CURRENT STANDARDS AND CLEAR OF ANY, UH, ANTIQUATED REFERENCES, UH, WHICH LEAD TO MISINTERPRETATION AND, AND EITHER OUR ENFORCEMENT.
UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT YOU NOTICE IS, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY HIGHLIGHTED HERE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE REVISIONS.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE ACTUALLY TOOK, UH, THE NAME OR OF THE DIVISION, WHICH WAS ANIMAL CONTROL, AND REVISED THAT TO REFLECT ML SERVICES.
THAT REALLY IS A REFLECTION OF HOW THE INDUSTRY SEE ALL OVER THE YEARS.
UH, AND IT INCLUDES, UH, THINGS OTHER THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL ANIMAL, ANIMAL CONTROL DOG TAGS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INVOLVED IN, UH, AND FACILITATE, UH, THINGS LIKE ADOPTION, STERILIZATIONS, LOW COST VACCINATIONS.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, UM, I THINK I SAID, UH, UH, STERILIZATION AS WELL, AND LOW COST VACCINATIONS.
UH, SO AMONG THE REVISIONS THAT WE'RE INCLUDING ARE, UH, REVISING CURRENTLY EXISTING DEFINITIONS.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED A FEW NEW DEFINITIONS AS WELL, AND MODIFIC PAGES TO, UH, EXISTING SECTIONS OF THE CODE.
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ARE ALSO GONNA INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING NEW SECTIONS, WHICH WILL BE, UH, TO ADDRESS ISSUES SUCH AS CRUELTY TO ANIMALS, UH, TRAPPING OF ANIMALS, UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT OF A DOG, DEADLY FORCED, AND MAKING THEM FALSE REPORT UNDER CRUELTY TO ANIMALS THAT BASICALLY REFERENCES THE STATE LAW.IT'S UNLAWFUL TO ABUSE, NEGLECT, OR OTHERWISE MISRE AN ANIMAL.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE CAN ALSO PURSUE CRIMINAL CHARGES IF ANYONE'S FOUND IN VIOLATION OF THAT SECTION.
UH, TRAPPING OF ANIMALS ESTABLISHES THE STANDARDS FOR HUMANE TRAPPING OF ANIMALS.
AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE SORT OF CHANGING OUR METHOD OF OPERATION, WHERE WE'RE GONNA FOCUS MORE ON WILDLIFE THAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE AT RISK OF, UH, RATINGS.
THE UNLAWFUL RESTRAIN OF THE DOG MAKES IT UNLAWFUL FOR AN OWNER TO LEAVE THE DOG OUTSIDE UNATTENDED, UH, WITHOUT ADEQUATE SHELTER, SHADE OR WATER.
DEPUTY FORCE, UH, DEPUTY FORCE BASICALLY AUTHORIZES THE USE OF DEAD FORCE AGAINST AN ANIMAL THAT IS IN SOME IMMINENT RISK OF DEATH OR HIGHWAY INJURY TO A PERSON OR, OR TWO OTHER AMBULANCE.
UH, OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS DO HAVE THE TIMES THAT THEY COULD TRAINED FOR WITH THE USE, UH, WHICH THEY COULD USE, UH, IN A SITU, A SITUATION THAT MAY RICE, UH, WOULD CALL FOR THAT SORT OF USE.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, MAKING A FALSE REPORT, UH, MAKES IT UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO KNOW.
WE MAKE A FALSE REPORT TO AN ANIMAL SERVICE OFFICER OR ANY OTHER DESIGNATED ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
UH, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WILL ALSO INCLUDE REFERENCES TO REVIEW OR REVISED FEES FOR A VARIETY OF SERVICES.
UH, AND THESE ARE GONNA BE MADE PART OF AND INCORPORATED INTO ASSOCIATED DIVISIONS.
THAT TO YOU LATER UNDER THE MASTER OF
UM, A REVIEW OF OUR CURRENT FEES, ALONG WITH THOSE OF OUR CIE ARE REFLECTED
SO IN THIS SLIDE, BASICALLY YOU SEE OUR FEES.
UM, THE REVISED FEES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED FOR, UH, YOU CAN SEE WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE, UH, SHELTER FEES BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A SHELTER.
UH, WE OPERATE WITH, UM, A, UH, PRIVATE, UH, VETERINARY HOSPITAL THAT HOUSES OUR ANIMALS FOREST.
UH, THE ANIMAL REGISTRATION WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID HAVE, BUT WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM, UH, IN ORDER SO THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON THE MICROCHIP.
UH, THE MICROCHIP TENDS TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE MEANS OF REGISTERING THE ANIMAL.
IT'S, UH, EASILY IDENTIFIABLE BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST USE A SCANNER, UH, TO DETERMINE, TO DETERMINE IF THE ANIMAL IS OWNED.
UH, WHEREAS SOMETIMES WITH REGISTRATIONS, YOU HAVE THE LITTLE METAL TAGS AND THOSE TEND TO BE, UM, EASILY LOST OR THEY CAN FALL OFF OR SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T READ 'EM.
UM, FOR OUR ADOPTIONS, WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE FEE FROM $10 TO $50.
THAT'S BASICALLY JUST COVER OUR COSTS.
UH, THE DANGEROUS ANIMAL FEE AS WELL.
WE WANT TO INCREASE THAT FROM 50 TO A HUNDRED.
THAT'S MORE ALIGNED WITH A LOT OF WHAT OUR COMPETITIVE CITIES ARE CHARGING.
AND THAT'S REFLECTED WITH WHAT, UH, WE EXPEND IN TERMS OF THE TIME IT TAKES, UH, TO HANDLE THESE SORTS OF SITUATIONS.
THE I INCOME FEE, WE WANT INCREASE BY $10 FROM 10 TO 20.
AND THE MICROCHIP FEE, UH, FROM 10 TO 15, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST COVERING OUR COSTS.
I BELIEVE WE'RE PAYING CURRENTLY ABOUT SIX OR $7 PER MICROCHIP.
AND THEN FOR THE COST TO BASICALLY PLANT THAT INTO THE ANIMAL, UH, ON THE TRAPPING, UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO INCREASE OUR DEPOSIT.
THE FEE FOR THE RENTAL WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
UH, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS PRIMARILY IS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD INCIDENTS RECENTLY.
UH, WERE EITHER TRAPS, UH, WERE NOT RETURNED, OR SOMETIMES THEY COME BACK AND THEY'RE DAMAGED.
UH, BASICALLY COSTS US ABOUT 80 TO $90 TO, UH, PURCHASE A NEW TRAP.
AND THE $50 WOULD HELP TO, UH, RECOUP SOME OF THAT COST.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE THE, UH, FEES FOR OUR COMPARATIVE CITIES.
UH, WITH THE ONES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, THE ADOPTION FEES, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, IT IS STILL LOWER THAN WHAT SOME OF OUR COMPARATIVE CITIES ARE, ARE, UH, CURRENTLY CHARGING.
UH, BUT IT, IT IS IN LINE WITH OUR PHILOSOPHY OF WANTING TO DO, UH, WHAT IS BEST FOR BEHIND, TRY TO GET 'EM BACK OUT THERE.
UH, AGAIN, BACK INTO THE POPULATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AT END THE DAY THERE'S A DOG FEE THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE CHARGING.
ANYWHERE FROM BETWEEN 50 TO AS HIGH AS, UH, MAYBE TWO $50 FOR THE MOST PART, MOST CAN RANGE RIGHT AT ABOUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS INCOME FEES.
AGAIN, UH, ANYWHERE FROM 2020 $5 UP TO MAYBE $50.
UH, THAT'S GENERALLY A REASONABLE FEE.
UH, NOT, UH, FOR US IT'S BASICALLY A PASS THROUGH COST.
UH, WE CAN, WHAT WE PAY TO THE DEPOSIT HOUSE, UH, AGAIN, FEE ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO $25.
UH, THAT'S A FAIRLY REASONABLE COST.
AGAIN, UH, SIMPLY TRYING TO RECOUP, UH, WHAT WE WERE EXTENDING.
AND THEN FOR THE, UH, TRAPPING, UH, MOST OF THEM CHARGE ABOUT 25 TO $50.
UH, WE'RE CHARGING 10 FOR THE RENTAL, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO RECOUP, UH, ANY LOSSES THAT WE MAY HAVE CHARGING THE DEPOSIT.
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THE TRAP OR, OR RETURN IT, UH, UNDAMAGED, THEY WILL GET A DEPOSIT BACK.UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, REVISIONS ARE BASICALLY A PART OF OUR ONGOING EFFORTS TO ESTABLISH CONSISTENCY WITH THE ENAM SERVICES AND TO HELP, UH, SO STRENGTHEN AND SOLIDIFY CODE OF ORDINANCES AND ESSENTIALLY RECEIVING YOUR FEEDBACK REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES AND WILL INCORPORATE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU CAN HAVE INTO A FUTURE PRESENTATION.
UH, THAT'S BASICALLY IT FOR OUR PRESENTATION.
AND ALL YOU HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
UM, RAY, I'M GLAD TO, TO SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE UP AND UPDATE THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, DANGEROUS DOG IS THAT IF WE GET CALLED OUT AND THERE'S A SITUATION, WHATEVER THAT SITUATION LOOKS LIKE, IT'S WHERE, WHERE THE DOG IS, I'M ASSUMING IT'S A DOG, RIGHT? MOSTLY THE DOG.
AND, AND IT JUST, IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR THE OFFICER, IS THAT HOW WE DEFINE IT? YES.
AND, AND ESSENTIALLY THIS IS A DOG THAT, UM, THE DANGEROUS DESIGNATION SORT OF COMES AFTER THE FACT WHEN WE INITIALLY MAKE THE CALL.
UH, IT'S BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S AN, A
UH, WE'VE HAD ONE SO FAR THIS YEAR THAT ACTUALLY DID TWO INDIVIDUALS.
UH, WE FILED A CASE AGAINST NUMEROUS COURT AND THE DOG WAS, UH, RECEIVED THE DANGERS NON DECLARATION, UH, FROM THE JUDGE.
AND THEN, AND THEN, SO ON THE, UM, OH, YOU, YOU GAVE US THE RED LINE VERSION, AND THEN WE GET, UH, SECTION 10, 10 HIGH FROM 10 LEAVING ANIMALS UNATTENDED IN THE VEHICLE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT, BUT WHEN I WENT, WENT THROUGH IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THE ANIMAL, UH, SERVICES OFFICER, FINDING AN ANIMAL BEING HELD IN VIOLATION OF THIS PROVISION MAY CITE THE OWNER FOR VIOLATING THIS SECTION.
AND THEN IT GOES TO OBTAIN A SEARCH WARRANT PURSUANT TO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW AND OR USE REASONABLE FORCE TO REMOVE AN ANIMAL FROM A VEHICLE, WHATEVER.
SO DO THEY NEED A SEARCH WARRANT, UM, TO SAVE THAT IN? NO, NOT IN THAT SITUATION.
UH, THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, IN SITUATION WHERE MAYBE, UH, THE ANIMAL REMOVED OF THE VEHICLE AND THEN MAYBE THE OWNER TOOK IT BACK HOME AND WE WANTED TO, UM, BASICALLY TAKE THAT IN, COMBAT THAT ANIMAL.
JUST, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE.
SO, SO IF, IF WE IMPLEMENT THIS, UM, AT A LATER DATE, THEN OUR OFFICERS WOULD BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE, IN THAT VEHICLE AND SAVE THAT.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD IS WE, YOU KNOW, WE RECENTLY, AND I DIDN'T READ THROUGH THROUGH ALL OF THE REDLINES, BUT, BUT, SO A FEW MONTHS BACK, WE RECENTLY, UH, APPROVED THE NEW LAW.
UM, AND, AND WHERE IT SAID YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T TRAIN YOUR DOG IN A PARK, UH, WITHOUT A PERMIT.
SO I KNOW WE PROVED THAT, BUT, UH, DO WE HAVE THAT MM-HMM
IF NOT, COULD WE DO WE JUST COPY WHEREVER WE, YOU KNOW, AND JUST INCLUDE IT? SO IF SOMEBODY'S JUST THE, WE, WHEN WE, UH, CREATED THAT ORDINANCE FEW MONTHS AGO, WE DID EXPAND THE SCOPE BEYOND, BEYOND PARTS.
YOU COVER ALL PUBLIC PROPERTY.
BUT I THINK THE MAIN REASON WHY THAT'S STILL LOOKING IN ANOTHER SECTION IS BECAUSE THAT IS A, UM, LAW AGAINST THAT, THAT KIND OF ABUSE OR ACTIVITY OR, AND A LOT OF TIMES IT MAY BE A BUSINESS TRAINING.
SO USUALLY SOMEBODY NEEDS PAY FOR TRAINING DOGS OR TRAIN DOGS FOR OTHERS AS WELL AS THEMSELVES.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ENFORCED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THE WAY WE SET UP ANIMAL CONTROL COORDINATES, AT LEAST THE WAY WE CURRENTLY SET IT UP, WHICH IS HOW MOST TOWNS AND CITIES DO, IS THIS IS REALLY GIVEN THE ANIMAL CONTROL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, IT'S SET OF RULES AND ITS SET OF OPERATING GUIDELINES, WHICH IS WHY THAT WAS KEPT OUT OF THIS SECTION.
WOULD, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE JUST TO REFERENCE THAT SOMEHOW IN HERE, I'M JUST, IF SOMEBODY CURED ENOUGH TO GO, GO LOOK THROUGH THIS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR, FOR THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD EXTRA YEAH.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE MORE WORK DISABILITY.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING FOR ALL THIS STUFF AND THEY COULDN'T FIND IT BECAUSE IT'S OVER SOMEWHERE ELSE, UM, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ADDED.
WHICH WAY MAKE SENSE? IF WE COULD DO THAT.
NO, WE COULDN'T GO THROUGH THAT.
I JUST HAD A COMMENT HERE ON THE TRAPPING.
THE KEY, IS THAT $10 ON, OR IS IT FOR TODAY OR, UM, THERE, THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT AN AGREEMENT WHEN THEY ACTUALLY COME INVOLVED THE TRAP FROM RENTAL
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SERVICES.AND SO, UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY A TIME LIMITATION, UH, GENERALLY WEEKS UNTIL WE HAVE THE ANIMAL AND THEN THEY USUALLY REFER IT TO US.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE'VE SORT OF GOTTEN AWAY FROM JUST LOANING EM OUT JUST FOR GENERAL WI WILDLIFE.
UH, THAT'S REALLY NOT, UM, A, A GOOD USE OF THAT.
THIS, UH, A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR EXAMPLE IS POSSUMS OR S SCUMS, SORRY, NOT POSSUMS. UH,
UH, THERE'S SO MANY OF 'EM AND THEY'RE TERRITORIAL.
UH, THERE'S OTHER METHODS THAT ARE PROBABLY BETTER SUITED FOR THAT.
WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE SUB TRAP FOR THOSE THAT ARE, UH, AT HIGH RISK OF THE RABIES GUARDS, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE MR RACCOONS, COYOTES BOXES, SKS, AND BATS.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST FOR IMPOUND MICRO TRAP, CHANGE THEM TO $25 INSTEAD OF 2015 AND 10, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER TOWN, THEY SEEM TO BE HIGHER AND WE NEED TO FAVOR THE POLICE.
SO I WOULD RAISE THAT DISPUTE.
IT ALL WILL HELP SUGGEST, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA DETER ANYBODY FROM ANY OF THIS.
MY SHOULD BE WRAPPING ANYTHING DOWN? NO, THE QUESTIONS.
YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, MY ING 15, WHY DON'T I MAKE IT 25 AND THE $10 FEE TO MAKE THAT 25? YOU LOOK.
I I JUST THINK WE SHOULD BE IN LINE AND IT'LL HELP.
I MEAN, WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY, LET'S MAKE IT A FEW DOLLARS HERE, OVER HERE.
SO, RAY, DO WE, DO WE, UH, STILL DO ANIMAL REGISTRATIONS? UH, YES SIR.
BUT WE'RE, UH, MOVING MORE TOWARDS THE MICRO SHIPPING.
RATHER THAN THE USE OF THE OLD METAL TECH.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK VERY MANY OF OUR PET OWNERS ACTUALLY REGISTER THEIR ANIMALS.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY DO IT THROUGH THEIR VETS, BUT AS LONG AS THEY CAN PROVIDE US WITH A COPY OF THAT CERTIFICATE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT AVAILABLE IS VERY OKAY.
BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT.
I'M SURE WE SPEND MORE TO ADMINISTER IT THAN, THAN, THAN THE FEES, WHATEVER IT WAS, FIVE BUCKS OR 10 BUCKS OR WHATEVER IT WAS, WAS FIVE BUCKS.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION, SO TELL ME WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE MICROCHIPPING, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN WE'RE CHARGING $25 OR 50 OR WHATEVER? SO BASICALLY, UH, WE PURCHASE THE MICROCHIPS.
UH, THEY COST THEM ABOUT SIX OR $7 A PIECE AND THEN WHAT IT COSTS TO IMPLANT THAT INTO THE ANIMAL.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY JUST A, A COST RECOVERY FOR US.
UH, WE CAN EITHER DO IT IN HOUSE OR WE HAVE THE, UH, BED THAT WE USE AS OUR SHELTER, UH, TO DO THAT FOR US AS WELL.
SO WE ACTUALLY DO THAT OURSELVES.
AND WE, WE ORDER THE MICROCHIPS, UH, WE GET THEM FROM UH, 24 PET WATCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? JUST AS AN EDUCATIONAL QUESTIONS I'VE HAD IN MY BACKYARD, I HAD A BOBCAT FAMILY AND A FOX FAMILY.
POSSUMS AND THE RESTING OUR BIG DEAL.
SHOULD, SHOULD WE START THE TRAP? IF WE HAVE THAT SAME AS, IS THAT LIKE A BIG ISSUE FOR RABIES THAT WE SHOULD BE CALLING THE TOWN SERVICES? NOT NECESSARILY WITH BOBCAT PETS? UH, GENERALLY FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, LIKE TO GO OUT AND SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTS AND PROVIDE LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION.
SOME OF THE PROVERB METHODS FOR THAT WOULD BE MAYBE, UH, PLACING OUT, UM, UH, MOCK BOTTLES OR AROUND THE PERIMETER PROPERTY.
UH, WE MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NO FOOD OUT AND MAKE SURE DATA GRAVITATE FOR BACK DECK.
GRA IT IS MORE SO THE, THE GALLONS OF THAT OUTLINE THROUGH THAT ARE HIGH RISK GRA ONE THAT I'M ON BOARD WITH HOWARD TO RAISE THE FEES.
IT'S LIKE WE, WE, WE, IT COSTS A LOT TO RUN THE TOWN AND WE PAY PEOPLE WELL.
UM, AND WE, WE HAVE CHEAP FEES FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE PROBLEMS OR DOGS IN HOUSE, WHATEVER.
WAS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON THE ADOPTION FEES? PROPOS 50 VERSUS 50? I MEAN THAT'S SEEMS TO BE PRETTY IN LINE.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE, WE HEAR YOU.
WE'LL LOOK AT ALL OF 'EM AND JUST KIND OF GET TO AN AVERAGE ON, OKAY.
[c. Present and discuss the Town's noise ordinance.]
C, PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE TOWN'S NOISE ORDINANCE.UM, I'M HERE TO, UM, DISCUSS THE TOWN'S EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE.
SO, UH, THIS WAS PUT IN PLACE IN THE AES AND IT WAS LAST, UM, HAD A, A MAJOR AMENDMENT IN 94.
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UM, SO WE'RE JUST HERE TO REVIEW WHAT OUR CURRENT STANDARDS ARE AND SEE FEEDBACK FROM, UM, COUNSEL ABOUT ANY POSSIBLE CHANGE OR AMENDMENTS TO OUR EXISTING, UM, ORDINANCE.SO, UM, THIS LIVES WITHIN CHAPTER 34 OF TOWN CODE AND THERE ARE VARIOUS STANDARDS WITHIN VISION ONE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE PROHIBITION OF, UM, LOUD OR OUS NOISE.
UM, WHAT'S CONSIDERED A PUBLIC NUISANCE IN RELATION TO NOISE, NOISE EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED, UH, WITHIN THE PROHIBITION.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S ALSO PROVISIONS RELATED TO LOADING UNLOAD VEHICLES AS IT RELATES TO NOISE AND DEFENSE FOR CERTAIN CONDUCT.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE, UM, SECTIONS.
UM, YOU LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED DIABETES RUN PARTICULAR.
SO AS I MENTIONED, THE ORIGINAL VOICE ORDINANCE WAS ABOUT 1988.
UM, IT WAS, UM, AMENDED IN 94 TO PROVIDE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, UM, OVERVIEW AND MECHANISM FOR ENFORCEMENT.
SO, UM, THE LOUD NOISE WITHIN TOWN LIMITS IS DECLARED A PUBLIC NUISANCE, AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S PROHIBITED.
AND SO WHAT THE DEFINITION IS, IS THAT, UM, THAT SHALL MEAN ANY SOUND, WHICH BECAUSE OF ITS VOLUME LEVEL, DURATION AND OR CHARACTER, A NOISE DISTURBS IN INJURED OR IN DANGERS OR COMFORT HEALTH, PEACE AND SAFETY OR SAFETY TO ME, ARE REASONABLE PERSONS OF ORDINARY SENSIBILITIES WITHIN TOWN LIMITS.
SO, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF WORDS IN THAT DEFINITION THERE.
BUT, UM, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS LIMITED TO PUBLIC SPACES.
SO IT'S LIMITED TO, UM, STREETS, PARKS, ANY OTHER PUBLIC PROPERTY, UM, OR IN ANY OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL OR HOMEOWNER PROPERTY.
SO IT'S FURTHER DEFINED AS ANY NOISE, WHICH IS CLEARLY AUDIBLE FROM A DISTANCE OF 50, MORE THAN 50 FEET IN THE SOURCE OF THE NOISE MEASURED IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT METHODS WHICH CITY, DIFFERENT CITIES, UM, SOCIO COMPARATOR CITIES USE, UM, TO MEASURE NOISE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE LIKE DECAL READER AND THEY, THAT'S HOW THEY DETERMINE NOISE AND THERE'S CERTAIN LEVELS RELATED TO THAT.
UM, OUR CODE DOES NOT HAVE MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM DECALS.
IT'S ACTUALLY MEASURED FROM DISTANCE.
SO THAT IS 50 FEET FROM THE SOURCE.
IT IS AUDIO AUDIBLE, IT IS AUDIBLE, IT IS CONSIDERED LOUD.
SO, UM, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS DEFINITION AND, UM, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW EXCEPTIONS.
SO I'M GONNA, UM, GO THROUGH SEVERAL OF THESE.
AND, UM, THESE ARE ITEMS WHICH ARE EXEMPT FROM BEING A PUBLIC NUISANCE AS IT RELATES TO NOISE.
SO THAT IS, UM, THE USE OF LOUDSPEAKERS, SPECIFICALLY ATHLETIC, ATHLETIC STADIUMS. UM, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T TAKE PLACE BETWEEN 11:00 PM AND 7:00 AM ON ANY DAY, UM, ANY MUSICAL TIMES OR SOUNDING OF, UM, BELLS, ET CETERA FROM A PUBLIC OR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION OR FACILITY, BUT IT MUST BE LESS THAN 15 MINUTES IN DURATION.
UM, AND CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN FIVE TIMES THAN A 24 HOUR PERIOD, ET CETERA.
THERE'S ALSO A TIME LIMIT RELATED TO THOSE, EXCUSE ME, THE SOUND EMANATING FROM ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLE OPERATING IN THE TIME OF AN EMERGENCY.
UM, A NOISE CREATED BY CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS LIMITED, UM, BY HOURS.
SO IT'S PROHIBITED BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM UM, ON ANY DAY EXCEPT IN THE, UM, NEED OF FOR PUBLIC MEETING, EXCUSE ME, FOR AN EMERGENCY CASE.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE IS ALSO AN EXCEPTION FOR ANY SORT OF NOISE OR AN ALARM, BUT IT CAN ONLY, UM, SOUND FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES.
THEN IT IS, IF IT SOUNDS FOR 31 MINUTES, IT WOULD THEN BE CONSIDERED, UM, WITH AN LOUD NOISE AND WOULD BE PROHIBIT.
THERE ARE 10 EXCEPTIONS, UH, IN TOTAL.
AND SO THEN, UH, THE SIXTH ONE IS ANY ACTIVITY THAT IS ALLOWED BY STATE OF FEDERAL LAW, UM, THE USE OF AMPLIFIED DEVICES, UM, WHEN IT'S ISSUED WITHIN DIVISION TWO.
AND I DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH FROM DIVISION TWO BECAUSE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, ADMINISTERED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT ESSENTIALLY GIVES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE A PERMIT FOR SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES SUCH AS A PEACEFUL PROTEST OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.
AND THERE ARE OTHER STANDARDS RELATED TO THAT, UM, THAT ARE NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION.
SEATING I EIGHT, WHICH IS, UM, REALLY MORE TAILORED TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE USE OF, UM, POWER, UM, LAWNMOWERS OR OTHER LAWN EQUIPMENT.
SO THAT IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED BETWEEN 11:00 PM AND 7:00 AM
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ON ANY DAY FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, UH, EXCUSE ME, OR NON RESIDENTIAL NECESSARILY.UM, AND THEN THE OPERATION OF AIRCRAFT AS LONG AS IT'S, UM, PRESCRIBED BY THE FAA FOLLOWS TOWN REGULATION AND THEN THE OPERATION OF SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO THOSE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS TO OUR BOARD'S ORDINANCE.
AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO TOUCH ON PUBLIC NUISANCE.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN ACTS THAT ARE INHERENTLY DEFINED AS A PUBLIC NUISANCE RELATED TO NOISE.
UM, AND THERE ARE, I BELIEVE THERE ARE ONLY FIVE OF THEM.
AND SO THAT IS, ONCE AGAIN, I TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER, THE USE OF ANY AMPLIFIED SOUND THAT IS CLEARLY, UM, HEARD 50 FEET FROM THE SOURCE THAT IS DECLARED, UH, A PUBLIC NUISANCE.
AND THEN ANY, UM, AMPLIFIED NOISE FROM A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS CLEARLY, UH, AUDIBLE FROM 50 FEET AWAY.
ONCE AGAIN, THE USE OF HORNS OR OTHER DEVICES ON A MOTOR VEHICLE, UM, IN AN UNREASONABLE MANNER.
ONCE AGAIN, THAT EXCLUDES EMERGENCY VEHICLES, UM, OPERATING IN A TIME OF EMERGENCY.
AND THEN ANY, UM, AUDIO DEVICE PLAYING BETWEEN A MOTOR PM AND 7:00 AM ON ANY DAY IN A LOUD MANNER.
AND THEN THE USE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS STILL LOUD OR IN, UH, VARIOUS COMBINATIONS IS DISTURBING.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE INHERENTLY DEFINED AS PUBLIC NUISANCE UNDER A NOISE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN, UM, SO THE NEXT SECTION THAT I MENTIONED, THIS IS VEHICLE LOADING AND UNLOADING.
UM, THIS IS SEPARATELY DEFINED.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS YOU CANNOT, UM, CREATE ANY NOISE WHEN YOU'RE COMPLETING THE ACT OF LOADING OR UNLOADING A VEHICLE.
UM, WE DO INCLUDE THIS AS, UM, PICKING UP SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS UNDER THIS DEFINITION AS WELL.
SO ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT THIS SAYS, IT'S PROHIBITED ANYWHERE WITHIN FIVE EIGHT FEET OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, UM, BETWEEN THESE TIMES PERIOD.
SO IT'S MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM IS WHEN IT'S ALLOWED, AND THEN SATURDAY, SUNDAY, AND HOLIDAYS ALLOWED 10:00 AM TO 5:00 PM.
SO, UM, THAT IS OUR CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE.
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AT THIS TIME WE'RE JUST SEEKING, UM, DIRECTION FOR COUNSEL ON RETAINING THE CURRENT ORDINANCE OR ANY PROPOSED CHANGES, UM, OR WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
LESLIE, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU BROUGHT THIS TO US? I MEAN, IT'S SUBJECT IN SOME SURFACE THAT, THAT CAUSED CAUSE UM, SO THIS WAS A REQUEST, UM, BROUGHT, UM, TO STAFF BY, UM, ME, RANDY, AND HOWARD AGAIN.
YEAH, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL BROUGHT IT UP SO TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.
THAT'S WHERE BEFORE WE GOT YOU JUMPED IN.
SO CAN I HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS? SURE.
UM, AND THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO AREAS OF CONCERN, UH, THAT I'VE GOT IN, IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE, UH, HAVING TO DO WITH CONSTRUCTION TILL 10:00 PM I HAD A, UH, CONSTITUENT CONTACT ME AT, UH, 10 15 AT NIGHT WANTING TO KNOW WHY THE PEOPLE BEHIND THEM WAS BEING ABLE TO DIG A SWIMMING POOL AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND THE BIG EQUIPMENT, AND THEY WERE RUNNING, UH, JACKHAMMERS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAVE A VIDEO OF, OF THEIR, OF THEIR PICTURES ON THEIR WALLS VIBRATING.
AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN OUR NOISE ORDINANCE ABOUT CONCUSSIVE FEELINGS, BUT THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART.
UH, UH, AND AND I WOULD'VE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY CALLED ME AND THAT GOT ME OUTTA BED, I'M THINKING, WELL, SURELY THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT.
BUT I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT WOULD'VE ALMOST BEEN ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
I, I WOULD THINK A POOL COMPANY, IF WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DIGGING A SWIMMING POOL, WOULD KIND OF, IN THE PERMIT PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD BE TOLD THEY CAN'T DO IT TILL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
BUT THEN I LOOK IN THIS AND THEY CAN LEGALLY DO IT FROM SEVEN IN THE MORNING TO 10 AT NIGHT.
IT KIND OF AMAZES ME ALSO THAT I COULD MOW MY YARD AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
UM, AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO GET IN TO WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU CAN USE OR THE DECIMAL LEVELS ON CERTAIN EQUIPMENT, MAKE PEOPLE BUY DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT.
BUT IT KIND OF SURPRISES ME THAT I CAN MOW MY YARD TILL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE REASONABLE HOURS BE PLACED ON THOSE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES.
IS IS YOUR FOCUS, LIKE, COULD, COULD WE LIMIT IT TILL 10:00 PM AND CUT IT OFF AT 10:00 PM WELL, MY FOCUS IS CAN WE NOT, UH, LIMIT IT
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TO 8:00 PM EIGHT OR 7:00 PM YOU KNOW, I GO BACK AND I'M DOING THE RESEARCH ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, MUNICIPALITIES, WHAT THEIR CODES SAY.AND AS, AS WAS BROUGHT UP, MOST OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH DECIMAL NOISES.
AND I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A HARD THING TO DO.
WE DON'T HAVE A DECIMAL METER.
THE 50 FEET IS, IS, IS A GOOD INDICATOR.
THE POLICE OFFICER GOES OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE GOT STUFF GOING UP ON DOWN THE STREET.
BUT MY CONCERN IS REALLY JUST THIS, THESE BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT ARE INTRUSIVE TO PEOPLE AT NIGHT AND THE, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL, YOU KNOW, THE MENTAL DAMAGE THAT THEY'RE DOING TO PEOPLE THAT BY GOD, I'M TRYING TO WATCH THE NEWS AND HEAR IT'S GOING ON.
I I JUST THINK A MORE REASONABLE TIMEFRAME IS ALL I'M ASKING.
I AN INSTANCE WHERE BOTH MY NEIGHBORS ON EACH SIDE OF ME, ODDLY ENOUGH, WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS OF EACH OTHER, WE'RE BOTH ING THEIR BATHROOMS. MM-HMM
AND JACKHAMMERING, I COULDN'T BELIEVE, LIKE THERE'S NO, HAD SOME JACKHAMMER NO WAY.
AND WENT OUTSIDE MY FRONT DOOR AND WAS LIKE, THERE WAS RIGHT THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE WALL EVEN VIBRATING.
I LOVE PEOPLE RENOVATING THEIR BATHROOMS AND KEEPING THEIR PROPERTIES UP, BUT JUST A MORE REASONABLE TIMEFRAME IS ALL I'M ASKING LAWN MOWER, WHATEVER REASON ON IT GROUND.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE LAWNMOWERS AT 6:00 AM SO PRACTICALLY MIDNIGHT LEAF BLOWERS.
LIKE YOU GOT A WILD HAIR TO GO MOW YOUR LAWN THAT LATE.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE WORK STRANGE HOURS.
EVEN AT THAT, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THAT.
UM, I I THINK THAT'S CRAZY THAT SOMEONE CAN, YOU KNOW, CAN STILL BE BUILDING A POOL AT AT 10 15 AT NIGHT.
UM, AND I GUESS THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S A MIDWAY MEADOWS THING BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO RELIGIOUSLY EVERY SATURDAY AT 7:00 AM CUTS THEIR GRASS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE BIGGER PROJECTS ARE EASY TO FIX TO YOUR POINT.
BECAUSE OF THAT WE, EVERYONE'S REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT AND THAT'S THE TIME TO EDUCATE THEM.
IF IT'S JUST A GUY WITH A TRUCK THAT'S DOING YOUR NEIGHBOR'S LAWN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX THAT PROBLEM.
AND, AND YOU'VE HIT ON THE SUBJECT THAT, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BIG PROJECTS.
YOUR PROBLEM THAT ON LEE FLOOR, CORRECT.
HOWARD, IS RANDY COVERED WITH WHAT WAS ON YOUR MIND OR DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS HIS IDEA AND I AGREED BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN DEBBIE WAS SICK, MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WAS JACK HAMMERING UP A POOL AND AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING.
SO HERE, YOU KNOW, OUR BEDROOM BACKED UP TO THAT WALL, SO AT 7:00 AM BANGING ON THAT.
AND I HAD TO GO OVER AND ASK THEM TO PLEASE NOT DO THAT BEFORE EIGHT AND SHE WOULD GET UP AND HAVE TO GO TO SLEEP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND I'VE BEEN IN THE CIRCLE QUITE A BIT THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, AND THERE'S A CAR, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY IN HERE THAT IS SO LOUD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE PENALTY IS WHEN SOMEBODY IS, I MEAN, WE GET THEIR LICENSE NUMBER REPORT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT WAS GOING DOWN THE STREET, WE COULDN'T EVEN TALK TO IT SO LOUD.
I WAS GONNA SAY MAYBE WE COULD CHANGE IT FROM, TO JUST MAKE EVERYTHING 8:00 AM TO EITHER 8:00 PM MAYBE 9:00 PM I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MOW YOUR YARD IN THE DARK SO IT COULD SAY DAYLIGHT HOURS FOR, I MEAN, MY YARD MAN PICK ME UP THE MORNING WITH THAT BLOWER.
SO I, I MEAN I SHOULD TELL HIM JUST TO STOP.
BUT ANYWAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING PROBLEM AND WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE CHANGE THOSE HOURS.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO THINK ON IT.
WHAT'S NORMAL, WHAT, WHAT ARE COMPARATIVE TO HOURS.
AND, UM, ACTUALLY GOT THE, I DID THIS TODAY, SO I APOLOGIZE I WASN'T, DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET IT IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, IT'S PRETTY COST, UM, SEVEN TO 10 IS ACTUALLY PRETTY AVERAGE ACROSS OUR COMPAR 13 COMPARATOR CITIES.
I WOULD SAY ONE THING THAT ALMOST, UH, THAT MOST OF THESE, UH, MOST OF OUR COMPAR DO HAVE IS THEY HAVE A SEPARATE, UM, NOISE ALLOWANCE ON THE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS SIMILAR TO OUR LOADING AND UNLOADING VEHICLES.
SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE FARMER'S BRANCH, THEIR, THEIR, UM, MONDAY, THEIR WEEKDAY, EXCUSE ME, HOURS OF OF NOISE IS 7:00 AM TO 9:30 PM AND ON THE WEEKENDS IT'S 9:00 AM TO 9:30 PM SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RELIEF IN THE MORNING.
UM, AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, I DO KNOW, UM, ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, IT GETS VERY, VERY WARM IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO WE TEND TO SEE MORE LAWN MAINTENANCE CREEP EARLIER AND EARLIER INTO THE DAY TO TRY TO ATE THE HEAT.
BUT, UM, ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, UH, LOUISVILLE ACTUALLY IS ONE OF THE ONLY ONES THAT DOES NOT, UM, SPECIFY A TIME.
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NOISE IS PROHIBITED, BUT THERE'S NO DEFINITION FOR WHAT NIGHTTIME IS.UM, FROM AN ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, FROM STAFF, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION AND ONE OFFICER, UM, MAY FEEL THAT IT IS NIGHTTIME OR ANOTHER OFFICER MAY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE 20 MORE MINUTES UNTIL IT'S NIGHTTIME.
SO IT LEADS TO SOME INCONSISTENCIES IN ENFORCEMENT.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY, UM, FEEDBACK TO NOT SPECIFY TIME IS IT GETS CHALLENGING ON THE
UM, I SEE THAT, YEAH, I, I THINK SOMETHING AFTER 10:00 PM IS A LITTLE NUTS.
I THINK EIGHT TO EIGHT IS YEAH.
AND, AND IS FAIR LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS? I'M ALL ABOUT EIGHT TO EIGHT.
LESLIE, IF, IF WE HAD, UH, SOME GENERAL WHATEVER THAT TIMELINE IS, COULD YOU COULD, UH, THESE BIG PROJECTS THAT WE'VE GOT, COULD THEY GET A PERMIT THAT WOULD, WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM OR WOULD, WOULD IT HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT FOR EVERYBODY? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT MAJOR, MAJOR PROJECTS AND THEY NEED TO START EARLY BECAUSE OF ALL KINDS OF VARIOUS CONSTRUCTION REASONS.
UM, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S HOT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT'S CEMENT AND CURING AND ALL OF THAT AND THEY GOTTA GET THE PROJECT DONE SO IT DOESN'T LAST EVEN LONGER.
SO I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ARE BACKING UP OR ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
AND UM, THAT COULD HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE WE HAVE GIVEN THEM RELIEF AND ISSUE PERMITS BECAUSE, UM, SOMETHING HAPPENED, IT'S TOO HOT, IT'S TOO COLD, SO THEY HAD TO GO LATER, START EARLIER.
BUT I, I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU.
AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED IN.
IF WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE WITHIN 200 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO WHERE IN AN INDUSTRIAL PART OF TOWN, IF THEY WORK ALL YOU WANT ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S, IT'S BOTHERING THE RESIDENTS IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH.
THE PROBLEM WILL COME WITH LIKE SOMETHING LIKE ANN UH, TREE HOUSE BUILDING.
THAT COULD, THEY HAVE, UM, UNIQUE CONSTRUCTION HOURS.
THEY AGREE TO LESSER CONSTRUCTION HOURS.
UM, SO THEY, YEAH, THEY HAVE VERY, VERY STRICT CONSTRUCTION HOURS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I DO KNOW THEY LIKE CAN'T WORK ON SUNDAYS.
COULD WE, COULD WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIALLY FOCUSED AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LET US DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE OPTIONS.
DO YOU WANT US TO COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION? AND I JUST FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING BACK WITH MORE, I MEAN THE PROJECT ON BELTWAY, THE BIKE, THE BIKE LANES, IT'S FUNNY TO HEAR JACK HAMMERING AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR, THEY'RE DOING THEIR THING BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING AT SIX OR 7:00 AM AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING PAST 8:00 PM RIGHT.
SO IT'S BEEN FUNNY TO HEAR JACK GOING OFF IN A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S ALL PRETTY GOOD.
YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE SOME OPTIONS.
LIKE WE COULD EXPLORE RESIDENTIAL ENCY, WE CAN EXPLORE CERTAIN CONSTRUCTION OR ACTIVITY BEYOND A CERTAIN DESK HOLE LEVEL.
SO LIKE THEY 30 DESK BOLTS IS EQUIVALENT TO A QUIET ROOM LIKE I WAS NOT SPEAKING.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CITIES THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING UNDER 50 ESTIMATES IS FINE, BUT IT, ONCE YOU EXCEED THAT, HERE ARE YOUR HOURS.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN DO TO PROTECT OUR RESIDE AREAS.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT TO HAVE TO, TO BE ABLE TO MEASURE IT INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING PAST 8:00 PM BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THEY CAN DO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DISTURBING, UH, PAST 8:00 PM BUT, BUT IF YOU HAD THAT LOCKED IN WHERE ABSOLUTELY YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING, THEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET WORKED UP.
BUT WE JUST NEED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE A DECIBEL LEVEL AND I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE WAY TO DO IT.
AND AS FAR AS THE, THE 7:00 AM I, I LIKED HAVING THE, UH, THE LATER TIME ON THE WEEKENDS.
THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
BUT I KNOW THESE, THESE LANDSCAPE CREWS TO LESLIE'S POINT AND IT GETS SO HOT, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET GOING AS EARLY AS THEY CAN IN THE DAY.
SO THEY'RE NOT OUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, 105, UH, NEXT MONTH.
SO, UH, SO I GET, SO I'M PRETTY OKAY WITH THAT.
7:00 AM BEING ALL THAT'S, I MEAN, I GET THE DISTURBANCE AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE DOES, BUT, BUT, BUT I GET IT.
SO SO YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH TO US WITH SOME OPTIONS, LESLIE.
SO JUST, UM, RECAP WHAT OCCURRED TO MAKE SURE, UH, ACCURATE, UM, WANT TO FOCUS ON PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM NOISE, BOTH CONSTRUCTION, LAWN MAINTENANCE.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO ANY OF THE OTHER NOISE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS? THICK CONSTRUCTION.
I JUST THINK IT MACHINERY OPERATING A TAMPER, OPERATING
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A JACK HAMMER OPERATING VEHICLE, OPERATING A MACHINE VERSUS RUNNING ELECTRICAL WIRING.THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.
I THINK SHOULD, BUT WE NEVER KNOW THAT'S GOING ON.
AN BUT I DON'T THINK RUNNING ELECTRICAL WIRES IS IN THE NOISE.
SO, AND I KNOW ON THE MAJOR PROJECT, LIKE GAMBLING, THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION.
WE DID HAVE THEM CONSTRAIN THAT WHERE IT WASN'T, IT WAS, IT WAS A MUCH, MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THE NORM WAS.
IT WAS LIKE BEFORE NINE O'CLOCK ON THE WEEKEND.
IT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY STRINGENT.
LIKE I SAID, I, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, STILL WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DIGGING A SWIMMING POOL.
THAT WOULD BE AN INDICATION THAT YOU'RE DOING SOME PRETTY ELABORATE DIGGING AND POUNDING ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ON THAT.
IF IN THE PERMIT PROCESS, IS THAT CONSIDERED FOR LIKE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW, IS THE, OR WOULD WE LEAVE IT TO THIS ORDINANCE TO GOVERN THAT? SO THIS ORDINANCE DOES GOVERN ALL CONSTRUCTION.
SO
SO I, I, I ACTUALLY, IT IS, SO IN THE BUILDING CODE, THERE IS A SEPARATE PROVISION, UM, BUT IT, IT PROVIDES A DECAL LEVEL.
SO IT ESSENTIALLY SAYS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE CONSTRUCTION HOURS THAT ARE IN THIS ORDINANCE, EXCEPT IF YOU'RE INSIDE A BUILDING BECAUSE THIS, THIS ORDINANCE SAYS CONSTRUCTION.
SO IN THE PAST IT COULD BE MISINTERPRETED TO SAY SOMEONE'S INSIDE RUNNING ELECTRICAL WIRE THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO NOISE ON THE EXTERIOR.
HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE JACK HAMMERING OR USING HALF, YOU KNOW, OTHER MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, THAT IS WHAT'S INTRUSIVE.
SO THE BUILDING CODE DOES HAVE AN EXCEPTION THAT SAYS IF YOU'RE INTERIORS BUILDING, UM, YOU CAN STILL WORK OUTSIDE THESE CONSTRUCTION HOURS.
AND I DID SEE IN THE ORDINANCE, IT DOES COVER LOUD CARS, LIKE LOUD EXHAUST BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE AND YOU'VE HEARD 'EM.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PEOPLE? WE JUST REPORT AND THEY GET CITED.
I, IS THERE PENALTY FOR THAT OR, YEAH, SO THEY CAN'T GET A CITATION.
SOME OF THESE ARE, ARE HARD IN THE CASE OF THEIR CAR, IT'S LITERALLY A MOVING PARKING.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TRACK THEM DOWN, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH TOWN AND OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDE HERE.
BUT IF WE SEE ONE AND IT IS SO LOUD, YOU CAN'T EVEN TALK.
AND WE GET OUR LICENSE, BUT WE CAN REPORT THAT LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GIVE YOU BACK.
SO THERE ARE ALSO PROVISIONS WITHIN THE, UH, PEN CODE.
SO THAT WOULD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STOP.
UM, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENFORCE.
LESLIE, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US? I DO.
WELL, THAT'S ALL WE'VE DONE FOR THE, UH, WORK SESSION.
THAT WILL TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS AND THEN WE'LL, UH, FINISH UP IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
IT IS 7 32 AND WE'LL RECONVENE THE COUNCIL, UH, FOR INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING.
AND WE DO STILL HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT WITH ALL MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.
AND AS ALWAYS WOULD LIKE TO START A MEETING WITH THE PLEDGE.
BOTH OF OUR FLAGS, IF YOU PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION OF GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE, GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE.
THANK YOU'ALL FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.
[a. City Manager's Announcements]
INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PROCLAMATIONS PRESENTATIONS.ITEM TWO A IS CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCEMENTS, AND THEN TWO B IS EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION.
SO JUST A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
THE NEXT SIP AND SCOOPS EVENT IS THURSDAY, JUNE 26TH.
THIS THURSDAY AT 9:00 AM WE WILL BE PROVIDING AN UPDATE ON THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE OWNERS OF ADDISON COFFEE ROASTERS HAD A FAMILY MATTER COME UP, AND SO THEY HAD TO CANCEL.
WE HAVE MOVED THE EVENT LOCATION TO THE ORIGINAL PANCAKE HOUSE AT 5 2 2 0 BELTLINE ROAD.
PLEASE SHARE THE WORD ON THURSDAY NIGHT, THERE ARE TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO HEAR LIVE MUSIC IN TOWN.
CATCH ADDISON'S NEWEST EVENT, THE SINGER SONGWRITER SHOWCASE AT ADDISON CIRCLE PARK FROM SEVEN TO 9:00 PM FOR THE, OR THE BRITISH
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ROCK BAND.THE BRITISH ARE COMING AT VITRUVIAN LIGHTS LIVE IN VITRUVIAN PARK FROM SEVEN TO NINE 30.
SO A LOT OF MUSIC THURSDAY NIGHT IN ADDISON.
FINALLY, SPEAKING OF EVENTS, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME VOLUNTEERS TO HELP US OUT AT ADDISON KABOOM TOWN ON JULY 3RD.
VOLUNTEERS RECEIVE FREE ADMISSION AND EXCLUSIVE T-SHIRT AND SWAG, GET MORE INFORMATION AND SIGN UP AT ADDISON TX.GOV/VOLUNTEER.
[b. Employee Recognition]
WE'LL GO TO EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION AND I'LL ASK PASSION TO DO OUR INTRODUCTIONS.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
PASSION HAYES, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
I AM PLEASED TO INTRODUCE LAVIN FULLER, WHO HAS SERVED AS OUR AIRPORT OPERATIONS MANAGEMENT ANALYST AT ADDISON AIRPORT.
SINCE SEPTEMBER, 2024, LABEN GREW UP IN LOUISIANA, PRIMARILY BATON ROUGE, AND PURSUED HIS EDUCATION AT LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY, MAJORING IN AVIATION MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.
LAVIN RECENTLY MARRIED THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE.
ASHLEY, ON MAY 25TH AT A BEAUTIFUL CELEBRATION IN MEXICO.
AS A PROUD LOUISIANA NATIVE BAN'S LOYALTY LIES WITH THE NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
HE TAKES PRIDE IN BOTH HIS PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, INCLUDING PLAYING A KEY ROLE IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND COMPLETION OF THE NEW TERMINAL AT LOUIS ARMSTRONG, NEW ORLEANS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
OUTSIDE OF WORK, LABEN IS DEEPLY COMMITTED TO GIVING BACK.
HE HAS VOLUNTEERED FOR OVER 400 HOURS WITH THE FOUR KIDS FOUNDATION, WHICH RAISES MONEY TO FUND CHILDREN SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH GOLF EVENTS.
SO IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT IN HIS FREE TIME, LABIN PURSUES HIS PASSION FOR GOLF AS A SCRATCH GOLFER AND HAS EVEN SERVED AS A CADDY IN SEVERAL PROFESSIONAL TOURNAMENTS.
HIS DECISION TO JOIN ADDISON AIRPORT STEMS FROM ITS ESTEEMED REPUTATION AS ONE OF THE TOP PERFORMING GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY.
AND WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE ESSENCE OF THE ADDISON WAY, HE DEFINES IT AS EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE THAT CONSISTENTLY SURPASSES EXPECTATIONS.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING LAVIN.
SOME OF US ARE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER NFL TEAM, SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE SAME
[3. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.]
COMMENT.THIS IS THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES.
AND I DO HAVE ONE COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD, AND SO I WILL CALL ON DAVID CLOCK.
AND IF YOU, DAVID, YOU CAN COME UP HERE TO THE, UH, ELECTOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
AND WE'LL ASK YOU TO, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UH, DAVIDOW ADDRESS IS 15,723 SEA BOLT PLACE, ADDISON, TEXAS, OVER, UH, NEXT TO THE BEAUTIFUL ADDISON CIRCLE IN THE TOWN HOMES.
SO, UH, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BRIEFLY, UH, RESTATE THE CONTEXT OF, UH, ITEM FIVE A, WHICH IS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ON VEHICLES.
UH, SO IN 2001, UH, TEXAS LEGISLATURE GAVE MUNICIPALITIES THE OPTION OF EXEMPTING PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ON, UH, LEASED VEHICLES FOR PERSONAL USE.
ADDISON CHOSE TO MAINTAIN THIS TAX AND CONTINUES TO CHARGE THAT, UH, TO THIS DAY.
UH, THE IN ATTACK, THE TAXES IMPOSED ACROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, PRIVATE USERS AS WELL AS BUSINESS.
UH, AND SO IT'S AN UNFAIR TAX TO THOSE THAT DO NOT USE THEIR LEASED VEHICLE, UH, FOR PERSONAL USE RATHER THAN, UH, INCOME PRODUCING USES.
SO I'D LIKE TO URGE THE COUNSEL TO RE REPEAL AND, UH, REVIEW THE ORDINANCE SECTION 74 32 OF THE TA UH, TAXATION OF MOTOR VEHICLES LEASED FOR PERSONAL USE.
AND THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERING THIS MATTER.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND MOVE ON TO ITEM
[4. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]
NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.CONSENT TONIGHT INCLUDES ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR D.
IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO APPROVE FOUR A THROUGH FOUR DA SECOND.
THANK YOU MARLON AND CHRIS FOR THE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I, I, I HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION ON THAT.
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MAYOR.I, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOUR C TO DISCUSS FOUR C INDIVIDUALLY.
I, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND HISTORY ON, ON WHAT THIS COMMITTEE DOES.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR APPOINTMENT ON IT.
YOU'RE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB.
I JUST WANT TO GET A FEEL AND, AND, UH, LET PEOPLE GET A FEEL OF WHAT THIS, UH, UH, COMMITTEE DOES.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE SHARE A SEAT WITH ANOTHER CITY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY CITIES SHARE SEATS MM-HMM
AND, UH, MY FRUSTRATION IS THAT WE SEEM TO SHARE A LOT WITH OTHER CITIES RATHER THAN HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
AND I'D, I'D, I'D LIKE TO JUST FIND OUT WHAT, WHY WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN SEAT AND WHAT, WHAT THE HISTORY AND WHAT, WHAT THAT COMMITTEE, WHAT, WHAT THE SCOPE AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, PLEASE.
ASHLEY SHO I'M THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
UH, SO LET ME START WITH, UH, WHAT THE COUNT.
SO THE RTC, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL, WHAT THEIR FUNCTION IS.
SO FORGIVE ME, I'M GONNA READ IT FROM HERE.
UH, THEY PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROCESS.
THEY CERTIFY THE COORDINATION, COMPREHENSIVENESS AND CONTINUITY OF THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROCESS, DEVELOP THE UNIFIED PLANNING WORK PROGRAM, METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AND RELATED ITEMS AND THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN ACCORDANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS FOR FEDERAL STATUTES AND REGULATIONS.
UH, REVIEW THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UM, AND MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT UNREASONABLY EXCEED THE FUNDING THAT CURRENTLY SEEMS LIKELY TO BE AVAILABLE FOR EACH METROPOLITAN SUB AREA.
UH, SELECT NOMINATE AND SUPPORT PROJECTS FOR THOSE FUNDING PROGRAMS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED.
UM, THEY HA THEY CREATE THE PROCEDURES FOR CALLS OF PROJECTS AND FUNDING INITIATIVES.
AND I'M PARAPHRASING SOME OF THIS, PRIORITIZE CORRIDORS IDENTIFIED FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
REVIEW THE LIMITS OF THE METROPOLITAN AREA AND MAKE REVISIONS, AUTHORIZE TRANSIT PLANNING, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO TRANSIT OPERATING AGENCIES.
ENCOURAGE FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES TO FOLLOW PLANS AND PROGRAMS DEVELOPED BY THE RTC.
IDENTIFY THE KINDS OF CONSULTANT PROJECTS ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION FUNDING.
UM, COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES ARE APPOINTED TO REPRESENT THE TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION NEEDS OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
RTC MEMBERS REPRESENTING THE GROUP OF ENTITIES ARE AOR APPOINTED TO REPRESENT THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS OF THE ENTIRE GROUP.
AND THEN THEY ALSO DO PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND PROCEDURES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE BIG OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY DO.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL GROUPING OF CITIES LOOKING AT IT, THE CITY OF ARLINGTON, THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, GARLAND, GRAND PRAIRIE AND PLANO ARE THE ONLY CITIES THAT HAVE, THAT ARE NOT COMBINED WITH OTHERS.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VOTING.
EACH ONE OF THOSE CITIES HAS ONE VOTE.
THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ACTUALLY COMBINED, UM, SURPRISINGLY, UH, CITY OF DALLAS IS WITH HIGHLAND PARK AND UNIVERSITY PARK.
THEY HAVE SIX VOTES BECAUSE OF THEIR MASS.
THE MAJORITY ONLY HAVE ONE VOTE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER CITY OF FORT WORTH HAS FOUR VOTES, BUT EVERY OTHER CITY, AND I APOLOGIZE, THERE WAS TOO MANY TO GO THROUGH AND COUNT, BUT, SO EVERYTHING IN OUR METROPOLITAN AREA IS COMBINED INTO GROUPS.
YOU KNOW, IF I COULD JUST ONE EXAMPLE, I WAS LOOKING AT IT TOO.
ONE EXAMPLE I THINK IS INTERESTING AND IT SHOWS THAT THIS HASN'T CHANGED IN A LONG TIME BECAUSE FRISCO SHARES A SEAT WITH ONE SEAT WITH PROSPER LITTLE ELM, THE COLONY, SALINA AND PROVIDENCE VILLAGE.
SO I'M SURE THAT WAS CREATED WITH YEAH, FRISCO WAS, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, ONE OF THE FEW WHERE THERE'S ONLY TWO CITIES THAT CREATE A SEAT.
IT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT HASN'T BEEN LOOKED AT SINCE WE'VE HAD OUR BIG, UH, GROWTH SPURT IN THE AREA.
BUT A LOT OF 'EM ARE MULTIPLE CITIES.
MESQUITE, VCH SPRINGS, SEAGOVILLE, SUNNYVALE GRAPEVINE WITH SOUTH LAKE, COLLEYVILLE, WESTLAKE TROPHY CLUB, ROANOKE, BEDFORD, ELI, AND HURST WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW WHERE IT'S JUST US AND RICHARDSON.
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OF THE, UH, RTC.AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THEY'RE PRETTY BIG TABLE, UH, TO, TO HAVE FOLKS GATHERED AROUND.
AND UH, AND I BELIEVE THE WAY THEY, THE WAY THEY BREAK THEM UP IS BY A TOTAL PO, A COMBINED POPULATION.
SO OUR POPULATION IN RICHARDSON, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, THAT THAT'S HOW THEY, AS BEST THEY CAN, THAT'S HOW THEY, THEY DICE THAT PIE UP.
CARROLLTON FARMER'S BRANCH, ARE THEY TOGETHER? THEY THEY SHARE A SEED.
SO, AND SO THE WAY THAT WORKS IS, SO YOU'LL HAVE A PRIMARY AND AN ALTERNATE, AND EACH SEAT, THEY, THEY SEEM TO MAKE THEIR OWN PROCESS AS TO HOW THEY, UH, DECIDE WHO'S GONNA BE THE PRIMARY AND HOW FOR HOW LONG AND WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT MIGHT CHANGE.
SO YEAH, IT, IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE CARROLLTON AND FARMER'S BRANCH HAVE JUST THE TWO CITIES, EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN US AND RICHARDSON ARE THE ONLY OTHER ONES THAT ARE CLUMPED INTO JUST TWO CITIES.
WHEN, WHEN YOU WERE READING THROUGH THAT, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT COUNTY.
IT, IT IS MORE RECENTLY THERE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FORT WORTH AND ALL THEN, SO, RIGHT.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A COUNTY ORGANIZATION.
THERE, THERE IS COUNTY DESIGNATIONS.
SO 28 SEATS GO TO THE METROPOLITAN CITIES.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONE SEAT FOR COLLIN COUNTY, TWO FOR DALLAS, TWO FOR TARRANT, AND THEN SOME OF THE SMALLER COUNTIES ARE, ARE, ARE CLUMPED TOGETHER.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, IT'S THROUGH THE COG.
SO IT'S ALL THE, ALL EIGHT COUNTIES YEP.
SO IT'S, IT'S MUCH BROADER THAN JUST THE COUNTY.
UM, THERE'S REPRESENTATIVES FROM DART, UH, THE TXDOT DISTRICT ENGINEER, UM, NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY, DENTON COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, THE AIRPORT FORT WORTH TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.
SO THOSE 17 SEATS WITH THE OTHER 28 SEATS MAKE UP THE 45.
REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENT AS WELL, MAYOR.
AND RANDY, YOU JUST PULLED THAT FOR DISCUSSION, RIGHT? I DID, YES.
AND SO, UM, SO WE'VE GOT THAT.
SO IS THE, SO IS THERE MO YOUR, YOUR MOTION STILL? SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
[a. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance to repeal Section 74-32 Taxation of Motor Vehicles Leased for Personal Use of the Code of Ordinances.]
FIVE, A PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL SECTION SEVEN FOUR DASH 32 TAXATION OF MOTOR VEHICLES LEASED FOR THE PERSONAL USE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, STEVEN.UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, AND THIS EVENING WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTY TAX ON PERSONAL LEASED VEHICLES.
UM, SO WE LAST, UH, DISCUSSED THIS AT THE MAY 27TH MEETING ABOUT, UH, FOUR WEEKS AGO.
UM, STAFF BRIEF COUNCIL ON THE HISTORY OF THE PERSONAL USE LEASE, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE TAX IN ADDISON.
UH, COUNSEL WENT AHEAD AT THAT MEETING AND DIRECTED STAFF TO BRING FORWARD, UH, THE ORDINANCE TO REPEAL THE TAX.
UM, WE DID CONTACT DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT REGARDING THE TIMING AND THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHANGE.
SO WE ARE AT THE VERY END OF THE APPRAISAL PROCESS AT THIS POINT.
IT STARTS IN JANUARY, IT ENDS HERE IN A FEW WEEKS.
UH, THEY ADVISE THAT ATTEMPTING ANY CHANGE DURING THE CURRENT PROCESS, UH, COULD RESULT IN ERRORS OR DELAYS.
AND REALLY IT'S RELIANCE ON THE LEASING COMPANIES TO, UH, RESUBMIT ALL OF THEIR PAPERWORK, WHICH THIS ISN'T A FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO THE LEASING COMPANIES, UH, BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLY A PASS THROUGH TO THE, UH, ULTIMATE TAXPAYER, WHICH ARE THE, UH, UH, THE, THE LESSEE OF THE VEHICLES.
UM, SO, UH, THEY ADVISE THAT THAT MAY CREATE ERRORS OR DELAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, TAXATION OF FOLKS AND SOME, SOME FOLKS NOT BEING TAXED, SOME FOLKS BEING TAXED.
UH, SO, UH, NOT ADVISED BY THEM TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
UH, WHICH THIS ORDINANCE DOES REPEAL THAT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
UH, WE HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THE TAX YEAR, BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2026, WHICH WOULD BE OUR FISCAL YEAR, UH, 2027.
UH, AND THEN BEGINNING FISCAL YEAR 2027, WE WOULD ESTIMATE AN APPROXIMATE REDUCTION OF ABOUT $120,000, UH, IN PROPERTY TAXES, UH, FOR THAT YEAR.
AND, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.
QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, STEVE, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE AGENDA IS, IS THIS AN ITEM THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? IT COULD HAVE.
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? ONE LITTLE QUICK ONE.
SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ELIMINATE IT IMMEDIATELY, BUT IN DOING THIS, WILL, WILL THIS BE THE LAST PAYMENT BASICALLY FOR, THAT'S CORRECT.
PEOPLE THAT OWN VEHICLES, SO, OR LEASED THE VEHICLES, SO THAT'S CORRECT.
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BASICALLY AT THE END OF 25, CORRECT? YEAH, THIS BE THE LAST, WELL, BASICALLY THE PROPERTY TAX APPRAISAL PROCESS, IT'S BASICALLY A 13 MONTH PROCESS THAT BEGINS IN JANUARY.SO THE PROPERTIES AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2025, YOUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE DUE JANUARY 31ST, 2026.
SO WITH THIS ORDINANCE, THE PROPERTIES ON JANUARY 1ST, 2026, THOSE FOLKS FOR THEIR TAXES, UH, JANUARY 31ST, 2027, THIS WOULD NOT BE, UH, A TAX THAT THEY WOULD PAY, UH, IN THAT TAX YEAR.
SO, SO THEY'VE BASICALLY SEEN THE, THE END OF IT.
THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE ONE MORE FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY TAX APPRAISAL PROCESS THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
WELL OVERDUE OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS LOWERING TAXES AND IT'S LOWERING OUR REVENUE BY $120,000.
DO WE HAVE A, A WAY TO REPLACE THIS REVENUE? WELL, I THINK SINCE THIS IS NOT FOR THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW, IT'S FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, HOPEFULLY NEW PROPERTIES ADDED TO THE PROPERTY TAX ROLL.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE ONLINE AT THAT POINT.
UM, CONTINUED, UH, REAPPRAISAL INCREASES OF OUR EXISTING TAX BASE.
I THINK WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS WAS ABOUT 0.3% OF OUR OVERALL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.
SO GENERALLY WE'RE EXPECTING, YOU KNOW, AROUND 3% INCREASE JUST IN NEW PROPERTY AND, AND PROPERTY REAPPRAISAL.
SO, UM, I WOULD ANTICIPATE BEING THAT, BEING ABLE TO BE ABSORBED BY, BY, UH, THAT PROCESS NEXT YEAR.
I WAS LOOKING AT THIS KIND OF MORE FROM AN OVERALL OF OTHER EXPENSES THAT WE'RE INCREASING AND 'CAUSE IT ALL, IT ALL ADDS UP.
IS THE 120,000 WHAT ADDISON GETS OUT OF THIS TAX OR DOES ADDISON ONLY GET PART OF THE 120? THAT IS, SO IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE CITY OF ADDISON.
UM, SO IT IS ONLY THAT THAT IS WHAT WE GET 120,000.
THE OTHER COUNTY, THE COUNTY AND THE OTHER SPECIAL DISTRICTS, THEY DO NOT ASSESS THIS TAX.
SO THIS ONLY GOES TO THE CITY? THAT'S CORRECT.
OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION TO SECOND MARLON AND DAN FOR THE SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE A IS APPROVED.
[b. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving a construction services agreement with ALCC, LLC dba Perfect Finish Landscaping for the Les Lacs Pond Improvements Phase 2 in an amount not to exceed $541,396.00; authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement; and providing an effective date.]
B PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH A-L-C-C-L-L-C-D-B-A PERFECT FINISHED LANDSCAPING FOR THE LAY LOCK POND IMPROVEMENTS PHASE TWO IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $541,396.AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
JANA MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JANET TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, THE ITEM I AM BRINGING FOR BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING IS TO CONSIDER A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO IMPLEMENT PHASE TWO OF THE LAY LOCKS POND PROJECT.
I'D LIKE TO SHARE A LITTLE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THE PROJECT DIVIDED INTO TWO PHASES.
UM, SO ADDISON HIRED, UM, TEXAS STANDARD CONSTRUCTION, WHO'S CURRENTLY COMPLETING THE PROJECT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW TO DO ALL OF THE POND WORK, THE EARTH WORK SETTING THE STONES, DOING THE MINOR PAVING REPAIRS.
THE REASON THAT WE DIVIDED IT INTO KIND OF TWO PROJECTS, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, WE VALUE ENGINEERED OUR BIDS CAME IN REALLY HIGH.
WE WENT THROUGH A VE PROCESS WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND HE INDICATED THAT, UM, THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MARKUP IN THE LANDSCAPE PORTION BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT THEIR FORTE AND HE FELT LIKE WE WOULD GET A BETTER PRICE AND A, A BETTER PROJECT IF WE DIVIDED IT INTO TWO.
UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY WRAPPING UP, UM, THE PHASE ONE PROJECT WE HAVE, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A DECISION MADE BY COUNCIL TO REPLACE THE OLD HDPE LINER WITH CLAY.
THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THAT, BUT THAT ADDS A VALUE TO THE TOWN BECAUSE WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THIS PROJECT AGAIN.
UM, I KNOW THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THIS PROJECT, UH, APPRECIATE THAT DECISION.
UM, WE ALSO DEEPEN THE POND, WHICH WILL HELP IMPROVE SOME OF THE WATER QUALITY ISSUES THAT WE WERE SEEING.
AND WE HAVE CREATED SOME POND EDGE CONDITIONS THAT, UM, WE HAVE A STONEWALL AND THEN KIND OF A ROLLING BERM EARTH AND EDGE IN SOME AREAS AND THEN STACK STONEWALL.
ALL OF THAT WORK HAS CURRENTLY BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S ON SITE RIGHT NOW IS FILLING, UM, PUNCH LIST ITEMS. SO HE'S DOING SOME CLEANUP.
HE'S GOT A FEW STONE BLOCKS THAT HE NEEDS TO SET.
WE GAVE HIM A CHANGE ORDER, UM, TO REPLACE THE WELL THAT WAS ON SITE.
THE WELL WAS NOT AS, WHEN WE WENT TO FIRE IT UP, IT WASN'T DEEP ENOUGH ANYMORE.
AND SO HE D DRILLED A LITTLE BIT.
SO ALL OF THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING THIS LAST
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MONTH AND HE'S READY TO TURN THE PROJECT OVER TO US.UH, SO WE CAN BRING IN PERFECT FINISH AND WE CAN HAVE THEM ADD THE LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS INTO THE PROJECT.
THIS IS JUST A, UM, PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE ONE THAT SHOWS THE VARIOUS STEPS OF THE POND.
UM, THIS IS OUR LAST DRONE IMAGE THAT WAS TAKEN OF THE PROJECT.
UM, MOTHER NATURE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN HELPING US FILL THE POND UP.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THE CONTRACTOR HAS DONE A GOOD JOB KEEPING ON TASK AND MOVING FORWARD IN LIGHT OF ALL THE, THE RAIN THAT WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS YEAR.
UM, PHASE TWO, UH, WE ISSUED COMPETITIVE SIL PROPOSALS, UM, FOR THE PROJECT.
IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DISCUSSED SEPARATING THE PROJECT INTO TWO PHASES, WE INDICATED THAT THE COST, THE OPINION OF PROBABLE COST FOR THE LANDSCAPE PORTION WOULD BE $600,000.
UH, THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT INCLUDES THE FINE GRADING PLANT BED PREP, UM, PROVIDING NEW LANDSCAPING AROUND THE POND, PROVIDING A NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM, UM, AND THEN ADDING IN TURF AND THEN CONSTRUCTING A CRESCENT SHAPED WALL THAT WILL REPLACE THE WALL THAT WAS REMOVED ALONG BELTWAY.
THE WALL'S GONNA BE A LITTLE TALLER.
THE ADDISON ARBOR FOUNDATION IS, UM, PROPOSING TO COMMISSION A MOSAIC THAT WOULD GO ON THE WALL.
AND SO WE INCREASED THE HEIGHT SLIGHTLY FROM WHAT WAS THERE.
UM, WE RECEIVED THREE BIDS ON THE PROJECT FROM THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
WE NOT ONLY ASKED THE CONTRACTORS TO PROVIDE THEIR PRICING, WE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE THEIR CONSTRUCTION DAYS AND, UM, THEIR REFERENCES AND ALL OF THOSE FACTORS WERE CONSIDERED INTO THE SELECTION.
THE SCORING PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH INTERNALLY.
UM, ON JUNE 10TH, WE, UM, IDENTIFIED PERFECT FINISH AS, UM, WELL PRIOR TO JUNE 10TH, WE IDENTIFIED PERFECT FINISH AS THE MOST QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR.
THEIR PRICE WAS THE LOWEST 492,178.
WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING TO INCLUDE AN OWNER'S CONTINGENCY IN THE PROJECT, AN OWNER'S ALLOWANCE FOR ANY UNFORESEEN COST, UM, WHICH IS A STANDARD PROCESS FOR US.
AND THEN THAT MAKES IT A TOTAL PRO CONSTRUCTION PRICE FOR PHASE TWO OF $541,396.
UM, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT PERFECT FINISH OR A LCC PROVIDED, UM, WE ANTICIPATE ONCE THEY GET STARTED THAT THEY'LL BE COMPLETE IN EARLY OCTOBER, 2025.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IS THE FENCE GONNA STAY UP AROUND THE POND? UM, IS THE ROAD GONNA STAY CLOSED? AND WE DO NEED TO MOBILIZE OUT OF THAT ROAD.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH TEXAS STANDARD TO KEEP THE FENCE IN PLACE WHEN THEY WALK OFF THE SITE AND THEY'RE GOING TO RENT THE FENCE OUT, UM, TO PERFECT FINISH.
SO, SO THAT WILL STAY IN, IN PLACE WHEN THEY GET CLOSE TO THE END OF THE PROJECT.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE IT DOWN, UM, A LITTLE EARLIER THAN OCTOBER, BUT THE PLAN IS FOR THE FENCE TO STAY UP FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT.
UM, FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT IS A COMBINATION OF 2019 BOND FUNDS AND STORMWATER FUNDS.
I DID PROVIDE A TOTAL PROJECT COST FOR YOU IN THE AGENDA MEMO, WHICH IS $6.6 MILLION.
THAT INCLUDES DESIGN AND THEN CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE ONE AND CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE TWO.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
QUESTIONS, QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, JANA.
WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE, UM, THE NEXT CONTRACTOR, IS THAT ALSO A PART OF THE ELECTRICAL PLAN TOO FOR LIGHTING, UPLIGHTING THE TREES OR HAVING LIGHTING AROUND THE POND ITSELF? YES.
OTHER QUESTIONS? JANA, DO WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE SIGNAGE? UM, TO REFLECT THE, THE, WHEN THE PROJECT IS ESTIMATED TO BE FINISHED? MM-HMM
YEAH, WE, THERE'S A, I THOUGHT THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE REALLY CONFUSED WITH OUR CURRENT SIGNAGE BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET IT'S PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN IT'S COMPLETE.
DO WE KNOW WHEN WE MIGHT UPDATE? WE WILL UPDATE THE SIGNAGE, UM, EITHER THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ORDER THOSE SIGNS THIS WEEK AND IF THEY COME IN, WE'LL GET THEM UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
QUICK QUESTION AND SORRY I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
SO WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK.
WHEN WE, THE NUMBERS CAME IN DOUBLE WHAT THE BOND ELECTION, UM, HAD, UH, FORECASTED.
SO WHEN WE WENT WITH THE NEW, UH, PLANS TO BREAK IT UP AND HAVE THE CITY MANAGE PART OF IT AS TOWN MANAGE PART OF IT, UH, AND USED THIS SEPARATE, UH, CONTRACTOR CAME UP WITH A TOTAL ESTIMATION.
ARE WE STILL ON BUDGET FOR THAT NEW ESTIMATION? WE ARE STILL ON BUDGET FOR THAT.
UM, WE FINISHED THE FIRST PHASE IN BUDGET.
WE DID SPEND SOME OF OUR OWNER'S ALLOWANCE, AS I MENTIONED.
UM, THE PUMP HAD, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER ABOUT THE TIME WE WERE READY TO START THE PROJECT, THE PUMP WENT OUT AND
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THAT WASN'T IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.WE USED OUR ALLOWANCE TO GET THE PUMP REPAIRED AND THEN DEAL, UM, DIG THE PUMP DEEPER, BUT WE'RE WITHIN OUR ALLOWANCE.
AND THEN, UM, WE ESTIMATED THAT THIS WAS $600,000 AND IT'S A LITTLE LESS.
I MAY BE REPEATING, BUT THE, THE NUMBER 5,000,231, UM, IT SAYS NOT TO EXCEED MM-HMM
DID WE COME IN UNDER 5,000,231? I BELIEVE WE CAME IN 5,000,231 AND EIGHT
WE, WE STRETCHED THE AMOUNT OF THAT PHASE ONE USING THE ALLOWANCE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN IT AS MUCH AS WE COULD TO BE ABLE TO GET THE PUMP WORK DONE.
AND THE 5 41, WE MAY NOT SPEND ALL OF THAT.
WE'VE GOT A 10% BUFFER IN THERE.
AND HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND ON THE PLANS? WE SPENT $836,420 FOR THE DESIGN.
I DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT NUMBER.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I'VE GOT ONE QUICK ONE.
CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE MORE? UH, PHASE ONE COM IS COMPLETE OR WHEN PHASE ONE COMPLETES, PHASE TWO STARTS, WHY CAN'T WE GET RID OF THE FENCE? IS IT A SAFETY ISSUE? IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, I, I LOVE OUR RESIDENTS
AND BEFORE WE GOT THE FENCE UP THE FIRST TIME, THERE WERE, UM, A COUPLE OF ISSUES WHERE SOME, WE WERE, SOMEBODY WAS GONNA GET HURT.
UM, WE, WE'VE GOT, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE BIG EQUIPMENT MOVING AROUND THROUGH THERE AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT SAFE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE B FOR THE, UH, THE THANK YOU DARREN PROJECT.
I'LL SECOND THANK YOU CHRIS, FOR THE SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE B IS APPROVED.
[6. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.]
ALRIGHT, OUR FINAL ITEM IS, UH, ITEM SIX, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.IT'S THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, TO SHARE, UH, EXPRESSIONS OF, UH, THANKS CON, CONGRATULATIONS AND CONDOLENCE, UH, ET CETERA.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO SHARE A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, DAN IS BACK AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
AND SO WE ARE HAPPY, HAPPY TO HAVE YOU BACK AND HEALTHY AND WHEN YOU GET COMPLETELY HEALED UP AND BACK ON THE GOLF COURSE, UM, I'VE GOT MORE GOOD NEWS TO SHARE.
I'M GONNA GET LAVIN, I'M GONNA GET EMILIO
I'LL JUST, I WON'T EVEN NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
I'LL JUST GO GET THE BALLS AND WE'LL, WE'LL DROP 'EM AND WE'LL PLAY SCRAMBLE AND WE'LL, WE'LL REPRESENT THE TOWN AND, AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK AND, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE THERE.
GLAD AND I'M, LOOK, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO PLAYING WITH YOU,
ANY OTHERS? WELL, CAN I HAVE CLARIFICATION ON THE LAST VOTE? WAS IT UNANIMOUS? YES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS GOT SOMETHING.
ONE, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW NEXT THURSDAY WE'VE GOT A LITTLE EVENT GOING ON HERE CALLED KABOOM TOWN.
AND YOU CAN ALREADY FEEL THE ENERGY INTO TOWN AND YOU SEE ALL THE STAFF OUT THERE WORKING, WE PARKS AND, UH, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS, PUBLIC WORKS AND EVERYBODY WORKING, PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
TENTS ARE GOING UP IN THE, UH, IN THE, UH, PARK ALREADY.
SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT AND UH, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALWAYS BE PROUD OF AND GET THAT NATIONAL EXPOSURE FOR SUCH A GREAT EVENT.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
SO THANKS TO EVERYBODY FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK ON THAT.
UM, AND THE FINAL THING I'D HAVE, I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS SOME THANKS TO, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYBODY.
UM, A LOT OF YOU KNOW THAT MY MOM PASSED AWAY ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, AND, UH, I'VE RECEIVED A GREAT OUTPOURING OF, UH, OF SYMPATHY FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, FROM STAFF, FROM RESIDENTS.
AND, UM, I JUST, I'M GREATLY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT AND, UH, REMINDS ME OF, UH, WHAT A GREAT FAMILY WE HAVE HERE IN ADDISON.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? WELL, WITH THAT, IT IS 8 0 3.
WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE NIGHT.