Jun 17, 2025 Planning & Zoning Commission Work Session

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GOOD EVENING.

[1. Call Meeting to Order]

[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]

PERFECT.

UH, LESLIE, I, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

UM, A COUPLE OF QUICK UPDATES.

SO, UM, JUST WANNA QUICKLY INTRODUCE SARAH WALSH.

SHE IS OUR LEGAL REPRESENTATION, UM, THIS EVENING.

SO, UM, OUR TYPICAL ATTORNEY, SARAH ROSS, IS ON VACATION.

SO WE HAVE SARAH WALSH JOINING US.

UM, AND THEN JUST A REMINDER, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING OR REZONING ITEMS AT THE LA OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS IN APRIL.

IT WAS JUST A PLA SO THERE'S, WE DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES ON ANY ZONING CASES.

UM, I DID WANNA QUICKLY SHARE THAT THE, WE DID HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE, EXCUSE ME, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MAY 2ND THROUGH JUNE 2ND.

SO RIGHT NOW, STAFF IS, UM, COMPLETING A RESPONSE TO COMMENT.

SO WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AND PROVIDING RESPONSES, WHATEVER FORM THOSE TAKE.

UM, AND THEN ALSO UPDATING THE DOCUMENT.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT, UM, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT BACK TO YOU PROBABLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, THE END OF THIS MONTH, END OF JUNE, BEGINNING OF JULY.

UM, AND THEN WE PLAN TO HAVE A, JUST AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION ON IT AT THE JULY MEETING.

THAT'S THE ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE.

SO, UH, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ACTION OR ANYTHING IN JULY.

IT'S JUST A DIS UH, INFORMAL DISCUSSION TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON ITEM.

SO, UM, JUST BE PREPARED FOR THAT MOVING FORWARD.

UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? AND THEN, UH, ONE THING I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION AT EACH OF YOUR SEATS IS, UM, KABOOM TOWN TICKETS.

SO, UM, PLEASE TAKE AND ENJOY THOSE.

UH, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THERE'S AN INFORMATIONAL SHEET AS WELL AS TO WHAT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR TICKET.

SO, AND THOSE ARE ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE ON PLANNING AND ZONING ITEMS. UM, SO

[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the June 17, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting: April 15, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Special Use Permit request to allow an educational institution at 3939 Belt Line Road, Suite 540 and 550 (Case 1935-SUP) Rezone a property from Planned Development District (PD, Ordinance No. 079-517) to a new Planned Development (PD) district with use and development standards for multifamily residential and associated private open space and common areas (Case 1925-Z) Rezone to establish zoning districts based on Unified Development Code (UDC)]

UM, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GO DOWN THE LIST.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS APRIL 15TH, 2025.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS ON THOSE? ALRIGHT, UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION.

UM, THIS IS IN AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING.

THEY WANNA OCCUPY TWO DIFFERENT SUITES AT 39 39 BELTLINE ROAD.

IT'S A, UM, VOCATIONAL SCHOOL.

SO THEY DO A VARIETY OF, UM, TRAINING, UM, TO HELP PEOPLE ENTER THE WORKFORCE OR, UM, PROVIDE SKILLSET TO ENTER THE WORKFORCE.

THEY HAVE, UH, SPECIFIC PATHWAYS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

THEY DO PRIMARILY HAVE CLASSES DURING THE DAY, BUT THEY DO OFFER NIGHT CLASSES, UH, WILL FUNCTION VERY SIMILAR TO AN OFFICE SPACE.

STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONCERN.

UM, THIS DOES NOT TAILOR TO CHILDREN, SO IT'S TAILORED TO ADULTS.

SO THERE'S NO CONCERN WITH PICKUP OR DROP OFF QUEING, ET CETERA.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? I DO.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

THE, THE USE BEING EDUCATION WON'T AFFECT THE ZONING AND SUCH THAT, UH, WE WON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER ANY ALCOHOL CELLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM ITS QUOTE UNQUOTE FRONT DOOR, CORRECT? YEAH, CORRECT.

YEAH, SO WE DON'T, UM, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO, UM, THAT IS, STATE LAW ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO ADOPT A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT FOR ALCOHOL SALES.

ADDISON DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE THAT IN PLACE.

SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S CURRENTLY IN EFFECT RELATED TO SEPARATION FROM EDUCATIONAL, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS TO ALCOHOL SALES IS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY EVERYONE.

I BELIEVE IT'S WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET.

UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY REGULATED THROUGH TABC.

IT IS IN OUR ORDINANCE, BUT IT IS THROUGH THE TABC PROCESS.

UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT 'CAUSE WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THAT IN EFFECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? ALRIGHT.

AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST.

SO THIS IS, UH, FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT, EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX.

UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND, AND DISCUSS IT, UM, A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THIS ITEM IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING, UM, BY THE APPLICANT.

SO, UH, THE REASON THEY'RE ASKING TO DO THAT IS THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WHICH IS, UM, LOCATED AT THE PRINCETON IS PART OF THE PROJECTS IS IN FARMER'S

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THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON SIMILAR PATHWAYS WITH THE ADDISON ZONING AND THE FARMER'S BRANCH ZONING.

AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET THROUGH THE FARMER'S BRANCH ZONING.

UM, WHICH, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS SCHEDULED JULY 15TH, WHICH IS THE SAME NIGHT AS THE JULY PNZ MEETING FOR US.

SO THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT IT BE DELAYED TWO MONTHS OR CONSIDERATION, BE DELAYED TWO MONTHS SO THAT THEY CAN GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE FARMER'S BRANCH PROCESS BEFORE THEY COME TO, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN POTENTIALLY CITY COUNCIL.

YEAH.

UM, IS IT, DO YOU, COULD YOU BRING IT UP ON THE MAP? IS THAT, THAT YOU BRING IT UP ON MAP? YEAH, WE CAN, UM, OH, THAT'S NOT ME.

COREY, CAN YOU, UM, JUST ON THE ZOOM, LIKE THE, YEAH, JUST BRING IT UP.

YOU CAN PROBABLY BRING IT UP ON THE INTERACTIVE MAP.

YEAH.

IF YOU JUST, 'CAUSE YOU CAN PROBABLY TURN OFF THE LAYER BY THE WAY.

YEAH.

OUR GIS DEPARTMENT DID THAT.

IT'S VERY NICE TOOL.

UM, ONCE AGAIN, GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LAYERS ARE.

AND CAN YOU DROP THE BASE MAP? YEAH, THERE WE GO.

YEP.

IT'S, YOU WERE CORRECT.

GO BACK RIGHT THERE.

OH YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

YEP.

SO WHERE IS THE ADD? THE ADDISON TOWN LINE COMES RIGHT UP BETWEEN ME PARKING GARAGE AND THE BUILDING ITSELF.

CORRECT? YEP.

SO, AND THAT BUILDING AT THE TOP, CORRECT ME IF THAT, THAT IS ALREADY AN APARTMENT BUILDING? YES.

THAT'S ZONED IN PARK BRIDGE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO THE, THE CITY LIMIT LINE ACTUALLY COMES LIKE THIS? YEAH, IT COMES IN LIKE THAT.

IT, UM, CORRECT.

OKAY.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT ALL CORRECTLY.

THANK YOU.

YEP.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A, A FLAG LOT.

UM, SO IT HAS TECHNICALLY IT'S ADDRESSED OFF OF DALLAS PARKWAY 'CAUSE IT HAS FRONTAGE ON DALLAS PARKWAY.

UM, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PARKING GARAGE AND THE FARMER'S BRANCH PORTION WILL BE ADDRESSED IN FARMER'S BRANCH, LIKELY OFF OF LANDMARK BOULEVARD, BUT WE DON'T DO THEIR ADDRESSING.

SO THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS.

I'VE GOT ONE.

SO DID, DID THEY SAY WHAT KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT IT'S GONNA BE? IS IT A DROP THE BUILDING AND REBUILD? ARE THEY GONNA INTERNALLY RETROFIT? YEAH, SO THIS, THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANT, UM, THIS PARTICULAR OFFICE BUILDING WENT INTO FORECLOSURE, UM, GOSH, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IN BALLPARK OF 18 TO 20 MONTHS AGO.

THE APPLICANT DID PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND, UM, OUT OF FORECLOSURE AND WITH THE INTENT OF DOING FEE SIMPLE CONDOS, IT WAS GOING TO BE AN OFFICE TO CONDO CONVERSION.

UM, THEY SPENT ABOUT EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS ON THAT.

IT DID NOT PAN OUT.

UM, IT WAS GOING TO BE COST PROHIBITIVE.

UM, AND SO THEY HAVE PIVOTED AND ARE PROPOSING TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THE OFFICE BUILDING ITSELF.

THEY WOULD RETAIN THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN FARMER'S BRANCH TODAY, UM, FOR, TO USE FOR PARKING.

BUT THEY WOULD DEMO THE OFFICE BUILDING AND RECONSTRUCT A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING.

IT'S NOT MIXED USE, IT'S JUST MULTIFAMILY WITH AMENITIES TO DIRECTLY SERVE THE MULTIFAMILY THERE.

UM, IT'S IN THE BALLPARK OF 400 UNITS.

IT'S LIKE THREE, I WANNA SAY 3 87, BUT OKAY.

AND, AND SINCE THE PARKING IS IN FARMER'S BRANCH, IS THAT GONNA BOTHER US AT ALL? DO WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR IT SOME WAY? SO, YEAH, SO THEY WILL HAVE SOME SURFACE PARKING ON THE ADDISON SIDE.

HOWEVER, THERE IS A, AND THERE'S A PROPOSED STANDARD IN THE PD STANDARDS, WHICH WE ARE STILL REFINING, UM, THAT THERE'LL BE A, A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT AND IT MUST BE UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP OR, SO THERE'S SOME OTHER LANGUAGE THAT ESSENTIALLY SOLIDIFIES THAT, THAT PARKING IS SPECIFICALLY TO SERVE THIS APARTMENT BUILDING AND IT WILL BE RECORDED.

SO THERE'LL BE A, ESSENTIALLY A RECORDED EASEMENT, I THINK, FOR PARKING.

GOTCHA.

SO, SO THAT WOULD, UH, ACTUALLY, THOSE TWO, UH, PARCELS WOULD BE TIED TOGETHER, CORRECT.

FOR OWNERSHIP PERIOD? MM-HMM .

OKAY.

WELL, THEY COULD, I GUESS THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE COMMON OWNERSHIP, BUT A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE THAT EXISTS TODAY WOULD BE DEDICATED TO SPECIFICALLY SERVE THE ADDISON SITE BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS NOT YET APPROVED, BUT ON THE FARMER'S BRANCH SIDE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO AN ADDITIONAL FOUR STORIES ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE THAT WILL BE, UM, RENTAL.

SO, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE 400, 400 UNITS ON OUR SIDE PLUS, YEAH, WHATEVER THEY MM-HMM .

SIDE.

YEAH.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT UNIT COUNT ON THE, ON THE, ON THE FARMER'S BRANCH SIDE, BUT MORE TO COME.

OKAY.

YEP.

SO YEAH, I'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ONCE THE, ONCE THE FARMER'S BRANCH IS SIDE IS SOLIDIFIED, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION WITH THEM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THINGS THE SAME TIME AS US, SO THAT'S FINE.

THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT IN LIMBO, BUT UM, WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR YOU IN AUGUST, IT WE SHOULD BE VERY MUCH SOLIDIFIED AS TO WHAT THE PLAN

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UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? AND WHAT'S THE ORANGE ZONE AT THE TOP FROM COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD? YEAH, SO THE PINK, THE PINK IS PD THAT I BELIEVE IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

YEAH.

UM, AND JUST A QUICK REMINDER TO MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR MICS ON WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING.

CHAD SAID HE WAS UNABLE TO HEAR SOME, SOME CONVERSATIONS.

HE'S LISTENING IN THE OTHER ROOM.

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UM, AND JUST ONE OTHER THING I WANNA MENTION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WHICH IS THE REZONING FOR MULTIFAMILY IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING, BUT WE WILL RE-NOTICE, UM, FOR THE AUGUST MEETING, UM, AND MAKE SURE ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A NEW CONSIDERATION DATE.

NO.

DO WE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS MEETING FROM ANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THERE? NO, WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANY FEEDBACK.

UM, WE'LL STILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS NOTICED.

SO IF ANYONE SHOWS UP AND WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO.

UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK.

ALRIGHT.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UM, PROPOSED ZONING MAP TO, UM, ALIGN WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ZONING DISTRICTS.

SO, UM, IF YOU RECALL BACK WHEN WE DID THE UDC, WHICH WAS IN FEBRUARY, UM, WE SPLIT IT UP INTO A TWO STEP PROCESS.

SO THE FIRST STEP WAS GETTING THE CODE APPROVED AND THEN THE SECOND STEP WAS COMING BACK WHERE THE ZONING MAP AND ACTUALLY, UM, APPLYING THOSE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS TO OUR ZONING MAP.

AND WE USED, SORRY, THE MATRIX, WHICH I'M GONNA SKIP AHEAD HERE TOO.

WE USED THIS MATRIX, WHICH YOU'VE ALL, UM, SEEN BEFORE DURING THE ADOPTION PROCESS THAT SHOWS HOW WE'RE GOING TO REZONE PROPERTIES OR HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONVERTED.

UM, AND THIS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE NEW DISTRICTS WERE SPECIFICALLY BASED UPON THE EXISTING DISTRICT.

SO THIS WAS DONE IN A WAY TO LIMIT NON-CONFORMITY OR TO LIMIT IMPACT.

SO, UM, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, OUR CURRENT OR THE, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE OLD ZONING DISTRICT.

WE HAD R ONE DISTRICT AND R 16 DISTRICT.

BOTH OF THOSE BECAME THE R ONE DISTRICT.

SO YOU WILL SEE ESSENTIALLY ANY DISTRICTS THAT WERE ZONED R 16, THEY NOW BECOME R ONE.

UM, AND THEN R ONE STAYS R ONE, UH, AND SO FORTH.

AS YOU CONTINUE ON.

UM, JUST A COUPLE COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS TO RECALL FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE UDC, UH, WE CREATED A LEGACY DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE APARTMENT DISTRICT RIGHT HERE.

AND THAT REMAINS AS IS UNTIL IT'S REDEVELOPED.

WE CANNOT REZONE TO THE APARTMENT DISTRICT.

IT JUST KIND OF STAYS IN LIMBO UNTIL THOSE PROPERTIES GO AWAY.

SO THERE'S NO CONVERSION FOR THOSE.

THEY'LL STAY AS THEY ARE.

AND THEN AS WELL HERE AT THE BOTTOM WE HAVE TWO OTHER LEGACY DISTRICTS, WHICH IS THE PD CONDO CONVERSION, OR EXCUSE ME, CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION AND THE PD TOWNHOUSE CONDOMINIUM, THOSE WILL REMAIN.

AND THEN ALL PLAN DEVELOPMENTS WILL ALSO REMAIN.

SO YOU'LL SEE ABOUT 60% OF OUR LAND IS ZONED PD.

SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE.

MOST OF IT'S STAYING AS IS.

UM, BUT WE DID CREATE THE TOOL, OUR GRGS DEPARTMENT HELPED US CREATE THAT SLIDER TOOL AS WELL AS CORY, UM, TO SHOW THE BEFORE AND AFTER.

AND WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PARCELS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS FROM THIS MATRIX.

UM, AND THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION FOR WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THOSE.

SO I'D BE HAPPY TO JUST GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, KIND OF ONE BY ONE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.

UM, BUT IF YOU, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I DO THAT? ALRIGHT.

NO, NO BIG ONES.

YEAH, LET'S GO THROUGH IT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, I'M GONNA KIND OF SKIP AHEAD.

THESE ARE JUST SOME OTHER, SO THIS MAP KIND OF SHOWS YOU AREAS OF, UM, WHAT PROPERTY WAS NOT USED OR NOT CHANGED BASED UPON THE MATRIX AND EVERYTHING HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN IS ACTUALLY TOWN OWNED PROPERTY.

OR YOU CAN CONSIDER IT LIKE A, UH, A PUBLIC SERVICE PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE ITEMS IN RED ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THOSE.

I'M SORRY, YOU, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CODING.

THERE YOU GO THROUGH THAT.

WHAT IS THE RED CIRCLE MEAN? THE RED IS PRIVATE PROPERTY PRIVATELY OWNED PROPOSING A ESSENTIALLY CHANGE TO THE EXISTENCE THAT DOES NOT FOLLOW THE MATRIX.

IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THE MATRIX, CORRECT.

YEP.

SO IT'S, YEAH, THE RED PROPERTIES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE PRIVATE AND GREEN IS ALSO BEING CHANGED.

YES.

BUT THAT IS PUBLIC PROPERTY, SO, OR BEING CHANGED.

CORRECT.

YEP.

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SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS AT A QUORUM AND LANDMARK.

UM, SO IT IS IN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING AND FOR WHATEVER REASON IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL ONE.

BASED UPON THAT CONVERSION, IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE INDUSTRIAL.

AND AS, BECAUSE OF HOW THE, THE UDC WAS CREATED, THAT OPENS UP A LOT OF POSSIBLE USES FOR MANUFACTURING AND OTHER USES THAT WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS AREA THAT IS PRIMARILY OFFICE, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.

UM, SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO STEP IT DOWN ONE FROM THE, THE MATRIX AND UM, PROPOSE IT BE REZONED TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

THIS DOES NOT CREATE NON-CONFORMITY, UM, LIKE FROM THE STEP DOWN, UH, AND DOES ALLOW THE USES WHICH IS PROFESSIONAL OFFICES.

WE JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ALIGN WITH THE AREA.

SO, SO AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH NOTIFYING AND ALL THAT.

IT, IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER TYPICAL REZONING.

WE PROVIDED NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE TOWN OF ADDISON AS WELL AS NOTICING WITHIN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS.

AND WE'VE NOTICED A WHOLE MAP PER SE.

CORRECT.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THE 200 FEET OF EACH OF THESE LIKE WE NORMALLY DO IN A CORRECT.

YEAH.

'CAUSE YEAH, 'CAUSE WE NOTICED ALL OF THEM.

YEP.

SO WE STILL MET STATE LAW IN TERMS OF NOTICING REQUIREMENTS.

UM, SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS IS JUST TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

UM, THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET.

SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, UM, SIMILAR SITUATION.

IT'S EXISTING PROFESSIONAL OFFICES TODAY TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA WE'RE PROPOSING COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

AND THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET TO THE SOUTH FROM THE LAST ONE.

SAME SITUATION.

IT IS PROFESSIONAL OFFICES.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE ZONING BECAUSE THIS OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT PARCELS BUT THE SAME COMPLEX, ACTUALLY IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS, IT'S OWN PD.

AND THEN SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE THAT TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

UM, ALRIGHT.

UM, ANOTHER ONE IS THE, UM, POST OFFICE.

SO IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL TWO TODAY.

AND WITH THE CONVERSION IT WOULD BE ZONED, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

AND SO IT IS, AND IT KIND OF ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT.

AND SO IT WOULD LIKELY BE INCOMPATIBLE FOR TO BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO STAFF IS PROPOSING ONCE AGAIN TO KNOCK IT DOWN ONE, UM, ZONING DISTRICT IN TERMS OF INTENSITY TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL, UM, FOR THE THE NEW MAP.

YEAH.

COULD YOU, COULD YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO PROPOSE MORE THAN THAT? COULD YOU HAVE GONE ALL THE WAY TO MIXED USE? YEAH, WE COULD HAVE.

UM, HOWEVER EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THERE IS ESSENTIALLY MIXED USE, RIGHT? UH, FOR THE MOST PART, YEAH, WE COULD HAVE, UM, WE WERE, SO IS OUR THOUGHT PRESS PROCESS IN DOING THIS WAS WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE, WE DIDN'T WANNA DO ANYTHING OVERLY DRASTIC TO CREATE NON-CONFORMITY.

WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WERE PROTECTED.

BECAUSE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WHAT OUR C TWO DISTRICT, WHAT IS ON THE OLD IS VERY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE USES ALLOWED IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN C TWO TODAY, WE DO NOT ALLOW MANUFACTURING AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING WOULD BE ALLOWED.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE U UH, UNITED STATES POST OFFICE IS GOING AWAY OR RELOCATING FROM THE SITE.

HOWEVER, IF IT DID, WE WOULD NOT, UH, A MANUFACTURING TYPE USE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN ADDISON CIRCLE.

SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT POSSIBILITY ISN'T THERE.

YEAH, I MEAN I WAS, I WAS QUESTIONING WHETHER YOU WANTED TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER YEAH.

AND ACTUALLY MAKE IT MIXED USE AND SAY THAT'S WHAT OUR INTENTION IS FOR THAT GOING FORWARD, SINCE YOU'VE NOTICED MM-HMM .

AND, AND DONE ALL THAT, WHICH WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S AROUND IT ON THAT SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, OF AIRPORT PARKWAY.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY.

YEAH, AND I GET THE RESPONSE TO THAT IS JUST TO LIMIT NON-CONFORMITY BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL DISTRICT THAN THE, UM, IS IT M FOUR, THE M FOUR, THE NEW M FOUR DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE ADDISON CIRCLE ZONING DISTRICT.

WELL THAT'S ALL.

AND SO, SO MANAGING THOSE IS EASIER.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I IMAGINE OVER TIME ADDISON CIRCLE IS GONNA MOVE MORE AND MORE MIXED USE AS IDEALLY MORE PROPERTIES MOVE OUT.

UM, IS MANAGING THOSE NONCONFORMITIES YOU THINK WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT OR MANAGING ALL THE INDIVIDUAL REZONING CASES AS THE REDEVELOPMENTS GO IN THE FUTURE? UM, I'M NOT GONNA HOLD YOU TO ANYTHING.

YEAH.

WHAT'S YOUR FIRST THOUGHT? I THINK, I THINK IT DEPENDS.

SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK IT, UM, I'M GONNA SAY I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.

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THE ONLY THING IS IF WE CREATE NON-CONFORMITY, IT POTENTIALLY PENALIZES THE PROPERTY OWNER.

'CAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, SAY THEY WANT TO, UM, DO A BUILDING ADDITION, RIGHT? THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO SO WITHOUT GOING THROUGH SOME SORT OF PROCESS.

AND BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT WOULD TRIGGER COMPLIANCE.

MM-HMM .

AND SO IN THIS CASE, I, I'M MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF WE WERE TO REZONE IT TO THE M FOUR DISTRICT, THAT WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD NEED TO BUILD UP TO THE STREET.

THEY WOULD NEED TO PUT PARKING IN THE BACK, TAKE A STEP BACK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD KIND OF LIKE REQUIRE THEM TO PROBABLY DE DEMOLISH THEIR BUILDING, WHICH IS UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN.

SO IT PUTS THEM IN THIS LIMBO OF, THEY CAN'T MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEY, BECAUSE THEY WOULD TRIGGER COMPLIANCE.

SO THEY TEND IN THOSE SCENARIOS, THE PROPERTY TENDS TO FALL INTO DISREPAIR BECAUSE THEY DON'T DO IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE STUCK IN THIS LIMBO OF, WE CAN'T COME INTO FULL COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE'RE NONCONFORMING, BUT WE'RE NOT READY TO DEMO THE BUILDING AND START FRESH.

WELL THAT'S TRICKY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

IT'S, SO EITHER WAY, I THINK, UM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'LL WE'LL DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

UM, BUT FROM A DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T WANT, OR A PROPERTY OWNER PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T WANNA PUT THEM IN A BAD POSITION.

SO TOUGH, TOUGH SCENARIO EITHER WAY.

UM, ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE HOME TWO SUITES.

SO BELTLINE IN THIS IMAGE OR THIS MAP, BELTLINE IS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.

UM, SO THAT CONVERSION, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED TODAY.

COMMERCIAL TWO, WITH THE CONVERSION, IT WOULD BE ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SAME SCENARIO.

WE BUMPED IT DOWN ONE TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

THE HOTEL IS CURRENTLY, UM, ALLOWED VIA SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS STILL REQUIRED IN THE UDC.

SO THE HOTEL IS STILL CONFORMING PER THEIR S THE APPROVED SUP.

SO NO NONCONFORMITIES WOULD BE CREATED WITH THIS.

JUST REMIND ME, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS AROUND IT? SO EVERYTHING IN THE, THE MAGENTA IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE, THIS COLOR, THIS I'M GONNA CALL IT RED IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

SO THESE ARE ALL THE SAME.

AND THEN THIS IS, UH, LOW LIMITED COMMERCIAL LIMITED.

THANK YOU.

THIS SCREEN IS DOING SOME FUNKY THINGS WITH THE COLORS.

YEAH, THIS ALRIGHT.

UM, SO THIS IS THE, UH, DART RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY UNIQUE ABOUT OUR MAP AND IS WE HAVE THIS GREEN COLOR THAT'S LABELED, I BELIEVE IT'S LABELED PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE A PARKS AND OPEN SPACE DISTRICT.

IT'S NEVER EXISTED SINCE THE FIRST ZONING CODE.

DON'T KNOW WHY SOMEONE AT A CERTAIN TIME CAME THROUGH AND THEY CHANGED SOME, SOME ZONING LAYERS ON THE PARCELS.

SO THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S MOST OF THE AREA THAT'S SHOWN AS GREEN.

UH, STAFF DOES NOT KNOW THE ACTUAL ZONING OF THAT PROPERTY.

SO IN THEORY IT HAS NO ZONING BECAUSE THERE IS NO ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S CALLED PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

SO IN THEORY, IT HAS NO PERMITTED USES AND NO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

CAN WE CREATE A PARK ZONE? SO WE TRIED THAT.

WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AT LEAST FIVE TIMES DURING THE UDC PROCESS, WITH CREATING A PARK ZONE AND REMOVING IT AND CREATING IT AND REMOVING IT.

AND WHAT WE FOUND IS ADDISON IS TOO DIVERSE IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT TO CATER TO ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT PUBLIC AREAS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, A ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU MAY LIKE A, LET'S SAY A PARKS ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU MAY PUT APPLY TO THIS, THIS PROPERTY, THE FI, THE OLD TOWN HALL BUILDING MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN ADDISON CIRCLE PARK BECAUSE IF YOU WERE THE SETBACKS AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.

AND SO THEN YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY CREATE NON-CONFORMITY, BUT COULDN'T YOU CREATE A PARK ZONE AND THEN HIT 'EM ONE BY ONE AND DECIDE WHAT THEY ARE? WELL THEN YOU WOULD END UP CREATING PROP MULTIPLE PARK DISTRICTS.

DID YOU CREATE A LEGACY APARTMENT DISTRICT? NO, IT EXISTED.

OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU GUYS CREATED IT.

NO, NO.

WE, WE KEPT IT.

SO IT ALREADY EXISTED.

SO MY CONCERN MOVING FORWARD IS THAT IF WE CHANGE WHAT'S NOT THE PARK DISTRICT, BUT IS ACTUALLY A PARK DISTRICT TO THE LEAST INTENSIVE R TWO MM-HMM .

I MEAN 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW, DOESN'T THAT OPEN IT UP TO BE R TWO OR FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? I MEAN YEAH.

ALL OF OUR PARKS POTENTIALLY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

UH, SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY COMMON, UH, TO DO THAT BECAUSE IN THIS INSTANCE WE REZONE BASED UPON THE MOST COMPATIBLE USE IN THE AREA.

SO FOR EXAMPLE,

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SO IF FOR ANY REASON THAT PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE A FINANCE BUILDING OR A TOWN PROPERTY ANYMORE, IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE ZONING DISTRICT AND THE MOST COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

SO IT WOULD NOT CREATE NON-CONFORMITY AND IT ALSO WOULD NOT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A, A BIG OFFICE BUILDING OR A MULTIFAMILY RIGHT NEXT TO IT WITHOUT A REZONING APPROVAL.

SO IT, IT CATERS TO THE ADJACENT USES, BUT IT ALSO PUTS OUR PARKS AT RISK.

WHY? BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE CLASSIFYING IT AS AN R TWO, BUT I GUESS I DON'T, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY IT'S AT RISK.

I MEAN, SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AS AN R TWO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S, I MEAN THAT WOULD, WHAT ZONING IS, I WOULD WELL YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ROADS TO IT.

I MEAN THERE'S OTHER HURDLES THAT WOULD BE FOR SOMEBODY COULD, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO THE TOWN WOULD'VE TO SELL IT.

YEAH.

THAT'D BE THE FIRST PROBLEM.

AND, AND THEN YOU'D GET INTO, YOU KNOW, MOST OF IT DOESN'T HAVE RIGHT OF AWAY FOR ROADS AND THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO GO PUT A ROAD AND A HOUSE.

CORRECT.

A HOUSE IN THERE OR APARTMENT OR WHATEVER.

Y YEAH.

YEAH.

SO I, MOST OF OUR PARKS HAVE ROAD ACCESS.

BUT, BUT YEAH.

SO I MEAN, IN ORDER FOR A, FOR ANY PUBLIC PROPERTY TO BE RE TO BE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN PUBLIC PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO BE SOLD BY THE TOWN.

AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

UM, AND E REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT WAS ZONED, YOU WOULD THEN HAVE TO LIKELY REZONE IT TO REDEVELOP IT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ONCE AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

AND MOST.

BUT WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, WHY DON'T WE DO SOMETHING TO PRESERVE OUR PARKS? YOU'VE ALREADY ZOD IT.

I'LL TAKE THE FINANCE BUILDING, WHICH, SO YOU SAID THE, THE FINANCE BUILDING, THE ZONING WAS UNKNOWN.

IT WAS NOT SHOWN AS PARK PREVIOUSLY.

SINCE I HAPPENED TO LIVE AT THE END OF THAT STREET, I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE TOWN OVER CORRECT.

YEARS.

SO THE, THE BY THAT WAS TOWN HALL, BY DECLARING IT AS AN R ONE, DECLARING IT, YOU'VE NOW MADE THAT OPEN, UH, WITHOUT REQUIRING A REZONING TO HAVING HOUSES BUILT THERE, RESIDENCE, IT WOULD BE A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

'CAUSE THERE'S WHAT, WHAT AGAIN? YEAH, BUT YOU'VE, YOU'VE DECLARED IT THE SAME WITH CELESTIAL PARK NOW WITHOUT REZONING.

SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE REMOVED AN IMPEDIMENT TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.

WELL, IS HOW I WOULD VIEW IT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

YES AND NO.

SO IT'S TOWN OWNED PROPERTY, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOLD IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

'CAUSE THE TOWN, I, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY DEFINITE STATEMENTS, BUT I WOULD, UM, BE FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY TO SAY THAT THE TOWN IS NOT GOING TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN HOMES AND SELL THEM THEMSELVES.

THEY WOULD PROBABLY RETAIN THE PARKLAND.

RIGHT.

BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOWN IS GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T KNOW.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REDEVELOPING ADDISON CIRCLE.

AND CONCESSIONS COULD BE MADE BASED UPON THAT IF THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OR IF THERE'S A REZONING TO IT, UH, FOR THAT USE.

WHEREAS THERE WOULD BE NO MISUNDERSTANDING IF WE REFLECTED THAT AS PUBLIC LAND NOT AVAILABLE FOR OTHER USE.

UM, I WILL USE THE R ONE, I WILL USE THE FINANCE BUILDING, WHICH AT ONE POINT THE TOWN SAID IT WAS GOING TO SELL MM-HMM .

AND THEN CHANGED ITS MIND.

SO I, IT'S NOT THAT THE TOWN COULD OR COULD NOT.

THE QUESTION IS, DOES IT REFLECT WHAT THE INTENDED USE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN MM-HMM .

HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HISTORICALLY.

OKAY.

BUT BASED ON WHAT SHE SAID OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO ZONE.

YEAH.

I MEAN, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GO, DO YOU WANNA GO MAKE IT A PD? DO YOU WANNA GO MAKE IT COMMERCIAL? DO YOU WANNA GO MAKE IT INDUSTRIAL? NO, I WANNA, THAT'S A, I WANNA LEAVE IT.

I I THOUGHT SHE, I WAS ACTUALLY INTRIGUED BY HER STATEMENT THAT IF WE LEFT IT UN ZONED AS IT IS NOW, THAT WE, WE WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE FOR YOU SAID, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, WE HAVE NO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO FOLLOW IF THERE'S NO ZONING.

SO YOU CAN'T DEVELOP IT.

NOT NECESSARILY, BUT THAT MEANS WE POTENTIALLY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING.

THERE'S NO SET.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO SCENARIOS.

SO THERE WOULD BE NO SETBACK.

SO IF WE WANTED TO BUILD A PERGOLA OR A BENCH OR LIKE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO STANDARDS TO FOLLOW.

SO HOW DO WE FOLLOW SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST? SO THAT IN MY MIND, THAT EITHER THAT, THAT DOES ONE OF TWO THINGS, AND I MIGHT REFER TO, TO LEGAL COUNSEL IS THAT NO ZONING MEANS IT'S A FREE FOR ALL.

WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT.

IT'S LIKE HOUSTON, THERE'S NO ZONING AND IT'S A CORRECT FREE FOR ALL.

EXACTLY.

I, I UNDERSTAND.

OR THAT MEANS WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

BUT I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT IT'S THE, IT'S CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.

SO MY GUESS WOULD BE THEY WANT, THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT .

YEAH.

BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ADOPTING.

SO WHATEVER IS ADOPTED IN THIS MAP BECOMES THE NEW OFFICIAL MAP.

SO OUR CURRENT MAP, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S PROBABLY SOME ERRORS ON IT.

LIKE I SAID, PARKS NEVER EXISTED AS A, AS A ZONING DISTRICT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S ON OUR MAP.

UM, BUT I, I DID A, I SPENT A LOT OF HOURS TRYING TO DIG THROUGH AND FIND THE ORIGINAL ZONING.

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SO SOMETIME IN BETWEEN WHEN WE STOPPED DOING PAPER MAPS AND WE SWITCHED TO DIGITAL, WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED.

SO WHAT WAS THE SUMMARY OF THE BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATIONS? YOU SAID YOU GUYS WENT TO, WELL, LET'S DO A PARK ZONE, LET'S DON'T DO A PARK ZONE.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE SUMMARY OF HOW THAT, HOW THAT, SO THE GENESIS OF IT AND THEN HOW IT ENDED? YEAH, SO FOR A GREAT EXAMPLE IS HERE, SO LET'S SAY THE FINANCE BUILDING BECAME, UM, A PARK AND WE WANTED TO PUT A, LIKE A PERGOLA THERE.

I'M JUST MAKING THINGS UP HYPOTHETICALLY.

IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, THE SETBACKS ARE MUCH GREATER THAN IN ADDISON CIRCLE, UH, THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT, WHICH IS BECOMING THE M FOUR.

SO IF WE APPLIED A BLANKET DEVELOPMENT STANDARD TO COVER ALL OF OUR PARKS, OUR PARKS ARE SO DIFFERENT.

AND SO THEY SERVE SO MANY DIFFERENT PURPOSES THAT IT, IT WOULDN'T ALIGN.

WE WOULD END UP HAVING TO HAVE MULTIPLE PARKS DISTRICTS.

AND THAT KIND OF DEFEATED THE PURPOSE OF, OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, WHICH WAS TO SIMPLIFY AND STREAMLINE OUR PROCESS.

SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT MADE THE MOST SENSE TO ALIGN IT WITH THE MOST COMPATIBLE ADJACENCY.

SO IT WAS COMPATIBLE.

SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THESE ALL HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS, DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS, HEIGHT STANDARDS, EXCUSE ME.

AND SO TO ENSURE THESE PROPERTIES THAT NOTHING'S GONNA BE BUILT HERE, THAT'S TALLER THAN THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.

SO YOU HAVE A COMPATIBLE AREA, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR WITH OUR OTHER THINGS.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT ADDISON CIRCLE, SO THIS, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING IS M FOUR, WHICH IS THE ADDISON CIRCLE.

AND WE DID THAT SPECIFICALLY TO AVOID CREATING THIS BUILDING AND THIS BUILDING FROM BECOMING NON-CONFORMING.

BECAUSE IF WE REZONE THIS TO SOMETHING ELSE, THIS WOULD NOT MEET THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION ZONE STANDARDS FOR HEIGHT.

AND IT WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING.

AND THEN SIMILAR SCENARIO, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THEY WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING.

AND SO THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS THEY CAME INTO COMPLIANCE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.

HOW DO YOU REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF AN EXISTING BUILDING WITHOUT TEARING IT DOWN? WHICH I, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH THE DECISION PROCESS TO DECIDE WHICH GIVES THE CITY MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR EACH PROPERTY, BUT ALSO HAS THE RESTRICTIONS TO ENSURE THAT IT COM COMPLIES WITH THE ADJACENT SPACES.

THE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS WHY NOT JUST A PD? WELL, I MEAN, WE COULD DO A PD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A PD WITH SPECIFIC STANDARDS.

YEAH, YEAH.

YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT FOR EVERY ONE OF 'EM.

WE'D BE HERE.

YEAH.

AND I'M, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE, UM, ADDISON CIRCLE PARK WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST THING I WOULD PICK.

'CAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO FORM A GRAND CONSPIRACY TO BUY OUT ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO AGREE TO SELL ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR PARKS IN THE TOWN.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND THEN BUILD ON TOP OF IT.

I JUST, I I SEE, I SEE THE OPENING THERE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING CLOSE TO AN ISSUE FOR US CONSIDERING HOW POPULAR OUR PARKS ARE.

AND THE FACT THAT CITY COUNCIL IS, IS BEHELD TO THE VOTERS.

SO I THINK, I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY.

YEAH.

UM, WELL, I IS THINK GOOD ENOUGH, I MEAN, LOOKING 50 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE AND, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW HOW EVERYONE FEELS ABOUT THE PARKS AND YOU SAID, HEY, WE JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER, WE STREAMLINED IT.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY.

IT'S, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE EASY, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT SOME MORE THOUGHT INTO, TO DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PRESERVE OUR PARKS.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

SO JUST, UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, SO I GUESS AS YOUR, UM, WOULD YOUR DESIRE BE TO CREATE A SEPARATE DISTRICT THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING THERE? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT Y YES.

IN THE PARKS, ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, SO THERE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOUR, YOUR YOUR YOUR EXAMPLE OF A BENCH OR A PERGOLA OR A FOUNTAIN, THOSE ARE PARKED THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

BUT CONDOMINIUMS, HOUSES, APARTMENTS, THAT'S A PROBLEM IN OUR PARKS.

IF, IF IT WERE TO COME TO THAT, AND LIKE, I, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A, THIS IS, ISN'T THIS A 30 OR 50 YEAR PLAN THAT'S GONNA GO WAY OUT? UM, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A LONG RANGE PLAN.

THIS IS OUR ZONING MAP.

SO, OKAY.

BUT TO GET THIS CHANGED AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS.

IT'S GONNA BE A VERY LONG TIME.

I MEAN, AND THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH IT.

WE CAN, WE CAN REZONE AT ANY TIME.

THERE'S NO, YEAH, THERE'S NO TIME CLOCK ON WHEN, WHEN REZONING CAN OR CAN'T HAPPEN.

I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS CONSIDERED IT AT ONE POINT, IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE OR SOME PEOPLE WERE THINKING ABOUT.

I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE, SURELY.

CORRECT.

THERE WAS, THERE WAS, I GUESS THERE'S A LOT MORE, UM, NUANCED THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH HEIGHTS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND WHAT'S MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE

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UM, THEY'RE, WE DON'T USE THEM THE SAME IN ANY REGARD.

SO A ONE SIZE FITS ALL IS NOT SURE, BUT YOU JUST TAKE, TAKE IT UP JUST LIKE YOU DID THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, BAM, IT WAS A DONE DEAL, RIGHT? TO DO WHAT, SORRY? THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHEN YOU BUILT A PICKLEBALL COURTS AND PUT THE GIANT THING OVER IT, I MEAN, WE HAD A MEETING, WE GOT IT DONE RIGHT.

OR THE CITY COUNCIL DID IT.

IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

I I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

UM, THE PROBLEM IS ALSO CREATING POTENTIAL NON-CONFORMITY FOR ADJACENT USES.

SO IT'S NOT JUST, SO IT'S TOWN PROPERTY, WHICH WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN ISOLATION.

IT'S ALSO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS WELL.

SO, AND I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT THE ZONING DISTRICT, SO THIS IS OUR ZONING DISTRICT, I'M GONNA SAY POOL THAT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM TO APPLY TO THIS, TO THIS DISTRICT.

YES.

SO LET ME UNDERSTAND.

ADDISON CIRCLE IN YOUR PROPOSAL IS BEING ZONED AS M 3M FOUR, WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF THIS IS.

AND, AND DOES M FOUR ALLOW FOR A GATHERING OF 50,000 PEOPLE? WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT IS THE USE ASSEMBLING? THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON PEOPLE.

I CAN HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE OR IN M FOUR, I DON'T, THE TROUBLE IS I DON'T HAVE BOTH DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF ME.

SO I CAN'T LOOK AT THE EDC AND, AND TELL WHAT, WHAT RESTRICTIONS.

IT'S LIKE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT AT WORST.

RIGHT? BECAUSE THE TOWN THROWS EVENTS FOR YEAH, SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER A SPECIAL EVENT.

SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EVENT VENUE THAT CONSISTENTLY, THAT HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THAT 365 DAYS A YEAR HAS EVENTS UP TO 50,000 PEOPLE, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN A SPECIAL EVENT, WHICH IS UNDER A, A TEMPORARY PERMIT.

OKAY.

SO AS IT EXISTS TODAY AS A PARK, WHICH YOU SAY DOESN'T EXIST AND DOESN'T HAVE RULES, WE HAVE EVENTS.

THERE ARE THOSE CONFORMING EVENTS OR NONCONFORMING EVENTS UNDER EXISTING ZONE.

SO THOSE FALL UNDER A TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT.

AND WE HAVE SEPARATE STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE THAT SAYS THAT, UH, I COULDN'T RECITE YOU THE EXACT STANDARD, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT SAYS IF IT'S APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND IT'S PRE-APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND BUDGETED AND SO FORTH, THEN IT'S ALLOWED.

AND THERE'S CERTAIN RES ALLOWANCES SPECIFICALLY FOR TOWN, UM, SPONSORED EVENTS.

SO THAT DOESN'T FALL.

SO A TEMPORARY EVENT DOES NOT NECESSARILY FALL UNDER ZONING.

THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T HOST, YOU KNOW, HUGE EVENTS.

LIKE YOU COULDN'T HOST KABOOM TOWN AT YOUR HOUSE LIKE WE HOST AT ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.

BUT, UM, ANYONE CAN HAVE A TEMPORARY EVENT.

YOU JUST GET A TEMPORARY EVENT PERMIT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR NON RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK I'M BE, UM, WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT STAFF HAD IS THE, THE IDEA IS TO NOT ALLOW ANYTHING THAT INFRINGES UPON THE ADJACENT USE.

SO THEY BASICALLY MATCH THE USE THAT THE, UM, SO THE CITY, NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO NOW, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS OF THAT ZONING.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

IF THEY WANT TO SELL IT, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF THE TOWN, WHICH YOU CAN SELL OR BUY ANYTHING IF, WHICH ARE THE SAME CHECKS AND BALANCES FOR THE TOWN.

RIGHT.

SO WHETHER WE CALL IT A PARK TODAY AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SAYING, WELL, WE WANT IT TO BE A PARK THAT DOESN'T FORGE, FOREGO THE CITY NEXT YEAR SAYING, WELL, WE WANNA SELL THAT PARCEL.

RIGHT.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

YEAH.

BUT IF THEY SELL THE PARK, THE PARCEL, IT'S ZONED AS A PARK, THEN IT HAS TO STAY A PARK WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE.

AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL, THERE'S ADDITIONAL IMPEDIMENT TO THAT DEVELOPER DOING THE OTHER, THE OTHER, THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE AND IT'S, IS THAT I HAVEN'T HAD, I DON'T HAVE A SUFFICIENT UNDERSTANDING IN THE LIMITED TIME WE HAVE TO REVIEW THIS TO THINK MM-HMM .

THROUGH THIS.

AND IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE.

AND SO I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ABLE TO THINK THROUGH IT.

BUT IN SOME CASES WE WANT THE PARK TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE SURROUNDING ZONING.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ZONING FOR, FOR THAT M FOUR MAY ALLOW, UH, THE TOWN TO BUILD A THREE STORY BUILDING MM-HMM .

I, I, AND AGAIN,

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TIME WITH SEEING THIS CHANGE TO UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMIC OF HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.

I JUST, I, I'M SORRY.

I'M TOO SLOW AND I HAVEN'T DONE THIS ENOUGH AND I DON'T HAVE BOTH DOCUMENTS.

AND, UM, SO I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE, THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMIC OF HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, UM, GOING FORWARD, UM, SUFFICIENTLY, UH, TO BE COMFORTABLE.

UH, THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S ALL I, IT'S JUST A STATEMENT OF HOW I FEEL.

I, I'M, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.

OKAY.

I'M ALL GOOD.

UM, I'M GONNA QUICKLY JUST RUN THROUGH SOME OF THESE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON.

UM, SORRY.

OKAY.

WE WERE HERE.

SO, UM, THE ENCORE, UH, EXCUSE ME, NOT ENCORE, THE DART, UM, RIGHT OF WAY AND THE, THE RAIL LINE.

SO THAT WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT ADJACENT USES OR IN SOME CASE THE, UM, LEAST INTENSE USE, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE, UM, THE M FOUR ADJACENT TO THE, UM, ADDISON CIRCLE.

AND THEN I BELIEVE THE OTHER ONE IS R TWO ON THERE.

UM, I'M SORRY TO BE SO QUESTIONING, SO, UM, DOWN ALONG THE INWOOD CORRIDOR MM-HMM .

THERE IS STILL WE LEFT IN LIGHT INDUSTRY THAT YEP.

IS THERE, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF GOING AHEAD AND MAKING THAT A MORE CONTIGUOUS, UM, USE WITH THE, I THINK IT'S M THREE, UM, THAT IS COMMERCIAL LIMITED? THAT'S COMMERCIAL LIMITED.

YEP.

THIS IS ALL COMMERCIAL LIMITED.

OKAY.

UM, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF LOOKING AT THAT OR THAT WAS JUST NOT REALLY, SO IF WE DID THAT, THEN THAT WOULD TAKE THAT PROPERTY OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND SO, UM, IT WOULD LIKE, SO THERE IS, UM, ACTIVELY SOMEONE TRYING TO PURSUE OCCUPYING THAT SPACE AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR PROBABLY THE LAST 10 MONTHS.

AND SO IF WE DID THAT, UM, WE WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM USING THE SPACE AS THEY HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO DO SO.

AND IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY MAKE THE BUILDING OBSOLETE WOULD, WOULD LIKELY POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME LEGAL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WE POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME LEGAL ISSUES TO DO THAT ANYWAYS.

SO THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS, UM, OF WHAT WE COULD OR COULD NOT DO AS FAR AS SPECIFIC ZONING, BUT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE, THE FABRIC OR PATTERN OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, WE TRIED TO AVOID THAT AND RELY ON THE CONVERSION WHICH ELIMINATED OR IN SOME CASES ELIMINATED OR LIMITED THE CREATION OF NON-CONFORMITY.

'CAUSE THAT'S HOW THE UDC WAS, WAS DESIGNED AND STRUCTURED.

UM, HOWEVER YOU'VE SEEN IN THE SEVERAL EXAMPLES WE'VE SHOWN YOU THUS FAR, IT, IT MADE SENSE AND DIDN'T CREATE NONCONFORMITY.

SO RIGHT.

IT, BUT THE, THE WHAT PROMPTED MY QUESTION IS YOU TOOK THE GREEN BELT RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND YOU MADE IT M1, M FOUR, RIGHT? UM, IT IS R TWO ACTUALLY THAT, WELL IT SAYS PROPOSED MIXED USE M FOUR.