* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:07] OKAY, [1. Call Meeting to Order] I AM GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. IF, UH, IF YOU GUYS COULD TAKE YOUR SEATS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE SORT OF AN UNUSUAL AUDIO SITUATION. WE NEED THE MICROPHONES SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING, UH, LIVE AND WHO MAY CHOOSE TO WATCH THE VIDEO CAN HEAR US, BUT THERE'S NO AMPLIFICATION IN THE ROOM. SO AMONGST EACH OTHER WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN BE HEARD. ALRIGHT? BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO USE THE MICROPHONES FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME. UM, ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT AND WE'LL START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR ONE NATION, THE INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY. SECOND. ALRIGHT, UH, OUR FIRST, UM, [1. Consider action on the minutes from the March 27, 2025 Comprehensive Plan Advisory Committee Meeting.] OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UM, TO, UH, CONSIDER THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. DID ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? OKAY. HEARING NOTHING, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. CATHERINE MOVES APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. AL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, OUR SECOND [2. Present and discuss the revised draft Comprehensive Plan.] ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO DISCUSS, UH, THE DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO STAFF. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UH, LESLIE KN, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES FOR THE TOWN. UM, SO BEFORE WE JUMP IN, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GUESTS JOINING US TONIGHT. UM, WE HAVE DAVID GAINES, OUR CITY MANAGER, AS WELL AS, UH, MAYOR BRUCE ARFON. SO COME ON UP GUYS. OH, HERE WE GO. SORRY. I'M JUST SPEAKING TO IT SO WE RECORD IT. PERFECT. WELL, UH, WE JUST WANTED TO, TO COME BY AND SAY THANK YOU TO YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING THAT FOR ALL THE TIME, THE COMMITMENT THAT YOU'VE HAD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. I KNOW THAT IT IS, IT HAS BEEN A LOT TO TAKE OUT YOUR EVENINGS TO BE HERE AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. I HOPE THAT IT WAS WORTHWHILE. I KNOW THAT EACH OF YOU ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE OF YOUR COMPASSION FOR THE TOWN AND, AND REALLY TO BE PART OF THE VISION OF WHAT ADDISON'S GONNA BE INTO THE FUTURE. I HOPE THAT THIS DOCUMENT REFLECTS THAT AS YOU COME TO A CONSENSUS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN, UM, ULTIMATELY THAT IT, IT REFLECTS WHERE WE WANT TO BE AS A COMMUNITY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I VALUE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THIS PROCESS. SO, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND I'LL ASK THE MAYOR TO COME UP. THANK YOU, DAVID. AND I, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE TO ADD TO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY JUST HERE TO, TO SHOW YOU OUR APPRECIATION AND GIVE THANKS FOR, FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS. YOU KNOW, WE RELY ON OUR VOLUNTEERS AROUND ADDISON TO, TO DO SO MUCH, AND WE ASK FOR A LOT OF COMMITMENT AND TIME AND, AND, AND WE HAVE THOSE KINDA SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE COMMITMENTS. THIS DEFINITELY QUALIFIES IN A LARGE COMMITMENT CATEGORY. IT'S A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF EFFORT, A LOT OF DISCUSSION, AND, UH, AND, AND IT'S A, IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR SURE, AND IT'S, BUT IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE OF ADDISON. SO, SO WE THANK YOU ALL, APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR EFFORTS AND APPRECIATE THE LEADERSHIP FROM, FROM SUE THAT IS CHAIRING IT AND, AND THE STAFF THAT'S BEEN, UH, SO INVOLVED WITH THIS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. AND, UH, SO THANK YOU ALL AND, UH, AND HOPEFULLY THE FINISH, THE FINISH LINE IS IN SIGHT AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE A LITTLE BREATHER. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH BEFORE WE CALL ON YOU AGAIN. OKAY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. GREAT, THANK YOU BOTH. UM, AS WE, UM, MOVE ON THROUGH THE MEETING THIS EVENING, WE DON'T, UM, HAVE ANY LIKE, FORMAL ACTIVITIES PLANNED AS WE HAVE IN, UM, PREVIOUS MEETINGS. SO, UH, BRIEFLY REVIEW THE PROJECT TIMELINE, UM, DISCUSS SOME OF THE, UM, CHANGES TO THE FOURTH DRAFT THAT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH YOU. UM, DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS, UH, IN THE PROCESS. SO, UH, WE ARE IN THE FINAL PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS, UH, PHASE [00:05:01] SIX, WHICH IS THE ADOPT PHASE. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TOWARDS A RECOMMENDATION FROM CPAC AND THEN INTO THE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS, AS WELL AS PRE PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE, UM, BEEN PRESENTED WITH, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO VIA THE CONVEO LINK WAS THE FOURTH DRAFT OF THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN PREPARED THUS FAR. UM, SO AS WE'VE STARTED, WE, THE FIRST REVIEW WE DID HAD OVER 900 COMMENTS. THIS PAST REVIEW HAD SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THAT, WHICH IS VERY PROMISING. UM, AND SO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT OCCURRED FROM DRAFT THREE TO DRAFT FOUR WERE REALLY A LOT OF THE, THE FORMATTING AND SOME OF THE FINAL TOUCHES ONTO THE DOCUMENT. SO YOU MAY HAVE, UH, NOTICED THAT ALL OF THE LINKS, ALMOST ALL THE LINKS, ALL THE LINKS SHOULD BE ACTIVE NOW AND FUNCTIONAL. SO IT REFERENCES EXTERNAL DOCUMENTS SUCH AS THE PROJECT, WEBSITE, OTHER, UM, RELATED DOCUMENTS SUCH AS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AS AN EXAMPLE. UM, IT ALSO REFERENCES INTERNAL SECTIONS OR ITEMS WITHIN THE, THE DOCUMENT ITSELF TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, THE PAGE NUMBERS WERE UPDATED. WE DID REALIZE, UM, THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH THE PREVIOUS DRAFT DURING THE EXPORT, BUT THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN RESOLVED. UM, THERE WAS ALSO A, SOME, UH, FORMATTING ADJUSTMENTS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THE, THE DOCUMENT WAS MORE POLISHED LOOKING, UM, BASED UPON COMMENTS. THERE WAS SOME CLARITY AND SOME TEXT REVISIONS. THOSE WERE FAIRLY MINOR IN NATURE. UH, AND THEN MAKING SURE ALL THE IMAGES WERE, UH, NOT DUPLICATED AND WERE ACCURATE, UM, AND MAKING SURE ALL THE GRAPHICS WERE LEGIBLE WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. SO BRIEFLY, I JUST WANNA DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONSENSUS VERSUS CONSENT. UM, WE'VE BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER IN THE PROCESS. THIS DOCUMENT REPRESENTS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, 'CAUSE IT'S INTENDED TO REPRESENT OUR RESIDENTS, VISITORS, PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS. IT'S A VERY, UM, FAR REACHING DOCUMENT. AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT EVERY SINGLE ITEM WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT, IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT EVEN US WITHIN THIS ROOM ARE GOING TO COMPLETELY A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE ON EVERY SINGLE, UM, ITEM WITHIN THIS VERY LARGE DOCUMENT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE US INTO 2050. SO I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS WE, UM, DISCUSS AND HOPEFULLY ARE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS DOCUMENT. UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE CONSENT, WHICH IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE IN THIS ROOM ARE COMFORTABLE A HUNDRED PERCENT ALL THE WAY, MAYBE 90, 80, 70 5% COMFORTABLE WITH THE DOCUMENT AS IT'S DRAFTED. UM, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE NEXT STEPS IN THIS PROCESS, WHICH, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES LATER TO TOUCH ON, BUT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE PUBLIC INPUT. ANYONE IN THIS ROOM AS WELL AS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS. IT'S INTENDED TO LAST FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF, UM, MAY. SO FROM THE INTENT IS FROM MAY 2ND TO JUNE 2ND FOR PUBLIC INPUT. WE PLAN TO HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE, UM, BEFORE IT MOVES ON TO EVEN CONSIDERATION FOR, FOR ADOPTION. SO ALL OF YOU'RE WELCOME TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE, UM, IF YOU HAVE NOT, UH, WE'VE NOT BURNT YOU OUT THUS FAR. UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, THE FOURTH DRAFT WAS SHARED WITH YOU. UM, AND WE ARE STAFF IS HERE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION AS PREPARED, UM, SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED FORWARD, UH, WITH PUBLIC REVIEW. AND I'M KIND OF GONNA, I GUESS, TURN IT BACK OVER TO, TO SUE AS THE CHAIR TO, FOR DISCUSSION AND OR TO SEEK A MOTION SO FORTH. ALRIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE, UM, ANYTHING ABOUT THE DRAFT THAT THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT? ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROCESS? ANYTHING DAVE? THE UM, EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, GOTTA SPEAK UP. SORRY. YOU GOT IT. UM, I DID PUT IN A LOT OF COMMENTS IN THE LAST DRAFT. THEY'VE BEEN SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE SAID ALL ALONG. LOUDER, DAVE? SORRY, HOW DO I GET LOUDER? THAT DOESN'T, NO. OKAY. PEOPLE AT HOME. OKAY. SO IN THE ROOM WE DON'T HAVE ANY AMPLIFICATION, SO WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP LOUD. SO LET ME, UM, ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT, UM, [00:10:02] I'M STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT. I'M NOT GONNA RAISE IT TO THE LEVEL OF NOT SUPPORTING THE, THE CPAC PLAN. I, I, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH MOBILITY, WALKABILITY, CONNECTIVITY AS BEING A DRIVER OF THIS PROCESS. I DO TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE OVERARCHING ISSUE OF DENSITY. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN, UH, KIND OF TALKED ABOUT. I THINK MAYBE EVEN ONE OF THE REASONS WHY UND IS NO LONGER INVOLVED, ALTHOUGH I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT DIRECTLY. UM, BUT IT DOES CONCERN ME A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'RE WALKING INTO THIS PLAN WITH AN OVERARCHING PERCEPTION THAT DENSITY IS PER SE GOOD. AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT IN THIS PLAN THAT I SUPPORT, SO I'M NOT GONNA FALL ON MY SWORD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. BUT I DO HAVE ONE ISSUE I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY AND I DO NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM STAFF. PAGE ONE 30 HAS THE PROCESS FOR ZONING. AND BASICALLY AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE ZONING REQUEST WOULD BE RECEIVED, UH, IF IT MET THE PARAMETERS OF THE PLACE TYPE, THEN IT MET THE PARAMETERS OF THE CHANGE CLASSIFICATION, IT WOULD BE APPROVED. IF THAT IS CORRECT. I THINK WE NEED MORE CONVERSATION ON THAT BECAUSE WE PASSED THE UDC PLAN WITHIN THE LAST TWO MONTHS. THAT CERTAINLY HAS A MUCH LE HIGHER LEVEL OF GRANULARITY THAN THIS. SO I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM STAFF AS TO HOW THIS COMPORTS WITH THE UDC AND IF IT IN FACT IS ALMOST ZONING BY RIGHT AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. . YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, SO IT'S, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, THERE IS A GRAPHIC ON THAT PAGE THAT, UM, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTUALLY SHOWS HOW THIS DOCUMENT IS USED TO, UM, EVALUATE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. SO IN THEORY, IF, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA KIND OF GO A LITTLE FARFETCHED HERE, BUT IF THERE WAS A PROPOSAL IN A RESIDENTIAL LIVING PLACE TYPE AND A SELF STORAGE INDUSTRIAL LIKE USE CAME FORWARD, WE WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE AND WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE YES NO ON THAT GRAPHIC. UM, BUT THIS IS A SIMPLIFICATION OF WHAT THE OVERALL PROCESS IS. SO ZONING IS STILL REQUIRES PUBLIC INPUT. IT STILL REQUIRES TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. IT STILL REQUIRES, UH, CONSIDERATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER ANCILLARY, UM, EVALUATION. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE AVERAGE, UM, ON, I WOULD SAY ON MORE CONTROVERSIAL, CONTR CONTROVERSIAL OR, UM, HIGH IMPACT ZONING CONSIDERATIONS, THERE'S USUALLY WE WOULD REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. WE WOULD REQUIRE AN INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY OR OTHER UTILITY STUDIES. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS MAY NOT BE MET. AND SO JUST BECAUSE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD BE HEADING, A SINGLE PROPOSAL MAY NOT MEET OTHER SERVICE NEEDS THAT THE TOWN HAS. UM, SO THE INTENT OF THAT GRAPHIC WAS MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL SIMPLIFICATION. AND I DON'T, IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE TAKEN QUITE, QUITE AS, AS LITERALLY AS, AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED. 'CAUSE WE DID RECEIVE FEEDBACK THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON HOW DO WE USE THIS DOCUMENT WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING PROPOSALS. IS THERE A WAY TO CLARIFY THIS? BECAUSE IT DOES, IT SUGGESTS IT'S AUTOMATIC. IS THERE A WAY TO CLARIFY IT BY INSERTING SOMEWHERE IN THERE THE NOTION THAT, UM, IT IT'S GONNA BE REVIEWED BY STAFF, IT'S GONNA BE REVIEWED BY P AND Z, IT'S GONNA BE REVIEWED BY COUNCIL. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE PART OF THE PROCESS. MAYBE THE WAY TO ADDRESS DAVE'S CONCERN IS TO PUT THAT REALITY INTO THE DIAGRAM. YEAH. SO WE, UM, I MEAN, I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR LIKE IF, IF YOU THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE CLEAR. 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EASILY ADD THOSE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT BUBBLES OF UH, LIKE RESOLVE ISSUE, APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION SO FORTH THAT WE CAN ADD IN ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT SAY PUBLIC HEARING OR, UM, UM, WELL TO SUE'S POINT, I THINK IT, IT'S A FAIR ADD THAT YEAH, WITHOUT THAT YOU'RE JUST TAKING THIS AT FACE VALUE, IT APPEARS THAT THIS IS A PRETTY LINEAR PROCESS. AND IF YOU CHECK THE BOXES MM-HMM . YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THERE. YEAH. IN REALITY, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THIS IS MORE AN ASPIRATIONAL APPROACH. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF STEPS THAT HAVE TO OCCUR YEAH. BEFORE THE GREEN LIGHT IS GIVEN MM-HMM . AND THAT'S IMPORTANT I THINK TO CLARIFY. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY ASPIRATIONAL. I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS IS THE WAY IT WORKS. BUT THERE ARE SOME STEPS MISSING. AND I [00:15:01] DO THINK IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA RELY ON IT, IF WE COULD ADD, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE A FAIRLY SIMPLE THING TO ADD. THE NOTION THAT THERE IS GONNA BE SURE, YOU KNOW, REVIEW BY STAFF P AND Z COUNSEL, AM I MISSING ANYBODY IN THE PROCESS? NO, THAT'S GENERALLY ACCURATE. UM, SO WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT, SORRY, IS THERE IS A UDC THAT RULES. SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IT STILL HAS TO COMPLY WITH UDC, THE UDC PROCESS. SO THAT COULD BE INSERTED IN HERE AS CLARIFICATION. WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE MY ISSUE IS. YEAH. BUT WE NOW ISN'T THAT A LITTLE IN THE WEEDS? WE'RE TRYING TO JUST TELL PEOPLE HOW THE FLOW IS. OBVIOUSLY ALL KINDS OF CONSIDERATIONS ARE GIVEN BY STAFF, BY P AND Z, BY COUNCIL. I AGREE WITH YOU. UDC IS ONE OF THEM. BUT YOU KNOW, THE CONSTITUENCY COMMENT, CONSTITUENT COMMENTS ARE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THERE. FAIR ENOUGH. AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT TOO MUCH, BUT UDC AS A PIECE OF THE JOURNEY IS THE ONLY ACTUAL DOCUMENTED. EVERYTHING ELSE IS MORE OR LESS DETERMINED BY MEETINGS OR INTRODUC INTERACTIONS. UDC TO ME IS THAT ONE DOCUMENT THAT EXISTS THAT INTEGRATES WITH THIS YEP. THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH PERIOD. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION. YES. IF I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS. THEY WORK TAN SIDED SIDE, SIDE BY SIDE, BUT THEY, THEY KIND OF SERVE TWO DIFFERENT GOALS. SO THE UDC IS OBVIOUSLY REGULATORY AND THAT THAT PROVIDES OUR PROCESSES AND OUR REQUIREMENTS AND SO FORTH. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE VISIONARY. SO WHAT DO WE WANNA SEE? SO THEY STILL HAVE TO WORK SIDE BY SIDE REGARDLESS, BUT, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME THAT DO GET BY AUTOMATIC RIGHTS, LESLIE. RIGHT. TO, TO DAVE'S COMMENT ABOUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME THAT GET BY. RIGHT. THAT DON'T HAVE TO, ISN'T THIS MORE LOAN PROCESS IS, ISN'T THIS MORE OF A, IF IF THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING? WELL, THAT, WELL, I'M JUST MAKING SURE, BASED ON WHAT DAVE SAID, I WANTED HIM TO REALIZE THERE ARE SOME THAT QUALIFY INTO YES, THEY HAVE IT BY RIGHT. AND GET TO AVOID ALL OF THIS. RIGHT. IF THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT'S A CHANGE IN ZONING, THEN, THEN THAT IS THEY HAVE A PROPER RIGHT. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT AVOIDING RIGHTS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IF THEY HAVE IT BY RIGHT. THAT STILL IS IN PLACE. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. JUST BASED ON SOMETHING HE SAID ABOUT NOT WANTING THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME THAT ARE. SO MAYBE I NEED TO CLARIFY, ISN'T THIS REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING? CORRECT. RIGHT. SO IF THE ZONING IS THERE, THAT'S A PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ANIMAL. YEAH. SO, YEAH. SO, UH, I MEAN FROM, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, AND, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THE, THE SIMPLEST THING IS TO ADD ANOTHER STOP ALONG THE PROCESS THAT INCLUDES THE, THE PUBLIC INPUT AND PUBLIC HEARING AND EVALUATION PROCESS, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA GET TOO REGULATORY AND BECAUSE WE WANT TO, WE WANNA USE THE UDC AND THE UDC COULD CHANGE BEFORE 2050, YOU KNOW, OR IT COULD BE AMENDED. YOU NEVER KNOW. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT COULD BE, UH, INCLUDED. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ITEMS THAT COULD TAKE EFFECT. SO I MEAN, I, I THINK, I THINK IF WE INJECT IN HERE THE NOTION THAT THERE'S GONNA BE FURTHER PROCESS INVOLVING STAFF, P AND Z COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC MM-HMM . YEAH. THAT'S REALLY THE CLARIFICATION THAT'S NEEDED. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. UH, COULD WE JUST POINT, COULD WE POINT TO THE UUD C WE GO UP THERE, TYLER, COULD WE POINT TO THE UDC? IS IT ALREADY POINTED TO IN A, IN ANOTHER LINK? SO I THINK THIS IS JUST PROCESS AND IN TERMS OF WHAT PEOPLE LOOK AT AND CONSIDER DURING THAT PROCESS, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS. OH NO, I AGREE. I MEAN LIKE IN LIKE A FOOTNOTE, LIKE A HEY, FOR THOSE INTERESTED, IT'S HERE. I, I, I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS DIAGRAM. ALL GOOD. YEAH. I LEAVE THAT TO YOU ALL. YEAH. CLARIFYING. JUST ADDING SOME CLARIFYING MY RIGHT IS FINE. I MEAN YOUR POINT IS IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC. EXACTLY. AND THIS DIAGRAM MAKES IT SEEM LIKE IT IS. MY POINT IS, WELL, WELL IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC, SO LET'S ADD A REFERENCE TO THE THINGS THAT MAKE IT NOT AUTOMATIC. AND I THINK THAT FAIR ENOUGH. I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT. AND THEN CLARIFICATION IS EASY AND HELPFUL, I THINK. YEAH. ALRIGHT. WHAT OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR ISSUES FROM THE, UM, FROM THE COMMITTEE? ANYBODY? ANYTHING ELSE? JIM, YOU LOOK INQUISITIVE. LIKE YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. ACTUALLY I FEEL PRETTY GOOD OVERALL ABOUT THE SPEAK UP. I FEEL VERY GOOD OVERALL ABOUT THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION. SO, OKAY. ANY OTHER, [00:20:01] UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? TAYLOR? I'LL DO MY BEST TO SPEAK UP LOUD. UM, LOOK, I HEAR AND KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME TREPIDATION OR SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY AND SOME OF THE PROPOSALS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I'M VERY FORTUNATE 'CAUSE I WORK IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES AND, UH, CITY GOVERNMENTS, UH, THAT HAVE ADOPTED, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS LIKE THIS. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE ONES THAT PROMOTE THESE ASPIRATIONAL GOALS, DENSITY ARE BETTER DOCUMENTS. I BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD DOCUMENT. IS IT PERFECT? NO WAY. THEY ALWAYS CHANGE THINGS EVOLVE OVER TIME. AND TO CLARIFY THE THICKNESS OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE HUNDREDS OF PAGES AND ALL THE TIME THAT EVERYBODY HAS SPENT EDITING EVERYTHING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WHAT WE'RE GONNA TYPICALLY DO IS GO TO THAT ONE PAGE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, WAS ONE 12. IT HAS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, WHAT KIND OF IS THE TOWN THINKING SHOULD GO HERE? THEN WE'RE GONNA SEE IF THAT FITS WITH WHAT WE WANT. TWO, THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THESE INDIVIDUAL BRACKETS. URBAN VILLAGE, WE RESIDENTIAL LIVING, HIGH INTENSITY. WHAT DOES THAT ALLOW US TO DO? AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TRY AND GET AN UNDERSTANDING AND SAY, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND IS THAT GELLING? THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE AREAS ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT. IS THIS AN AREA THAT IS ENCOURAGING REDEVELOPMENT ENHANCEMENT OR IS IT JUST NO, THIS AREA IS GOOD AND WE NEED TO PRESERVE WHAT'S THERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, AFTER WE READ SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WE'RE TALKING TO BROKERS AND LANDOWNERS, WE WILL THEN GO TO CITY STAFF. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS DOCUMENT IS TO GIVE CITY STAFF A GUIDE. HOW CAN THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? AND SO WHAT DAVID VERY CORRECTLY BROUGHT UP HERE IS, OH MY GOD, THIS LOOKS LIKE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL. AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE FLOWCHARTS LIKE THIS THAT HAVE EXISTED IN THE PAST IN ADDISON, THAT SHOW EXACTLY THIS. WHERE YOU GO, WHAT YOU DO. THIS IS APPROVAL, IT'S STAFF APPROVAL. AND I WILL TELL YOU, JUST BECAUSE STAFF APPROVE SOMETHING IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NO WAY MEANS THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET A ZONING CHANGE. THERE ABSOLUTELY IS A CHECK AND BALANCE IN HERE WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND WITH CITY COUNCIL. SEE IT ALL THE TIME, PERSONALLY HAPPENED TO ME TWO WEEKS AGO, HAD A SITE, IT WAS PERFECT, IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CAME TIME TO GO FOR A ZONING CHANGE. THE TOWN DID NOT WANT IT. SO REMEMBER, THE TOWN STILL HAS CONTROL. THE POLITICAL COUNCIL, THE LEADERS CAN STILL DICTATE HOW THIS IS USED. THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS DOCUMENT, TRY AND CLARIFY THE BEST IT CAN, TRY AND BE A LITTLE MORE ASPIRATIONAL, TRY AND PROMOTE SOME DENSITY FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE THERE IS A GREAT SYSTEM HERE AT PLACE AS TO HOW THESE ZONING CHANGES ULTIMATELY GET DONE. SO, UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT PERFECT. I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD THOUGH. AND I WILL GIVE EVERYBODY A LOT OF CREDIT. 'CAUSE I'LL TELL YOU, THERE'S EVEN SOME CITIES THAT WE'VE WORKED IN WHERE THEY CAN'T EVEN GET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPROVED. THEY'RE SO DYSFUNCTIONAL. THIS IS GOOD. AND WE NEED THIS AS A TOOL GOING FORWARD. AND WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE GOOD, SMART ELECTED PEOPLE AND COUNCILS AND BOARDS TO PROVIDE THE GOVERNANCE THAT NEEDS IT TO BACK THIS UP, INCLUDING DOCUMENTS LIKE THE UDC AND BUILDING CODE AND OTHER THINGS. SO, SORRY FOR THAT LONG DIATRIBE, BUT I WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE. 'CAUSE I REALLY DO THINK THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD. AND I THINK STAFF WILL REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS. THANKS TAYLOR. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERIENCE. IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ANYTHING? TYLER? YOU, NOPE. NOTHING. ALRIGHT THEN I'M GONNA ENTERTAIN A MOTION BUT SUGGEST THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY WORDED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL DOCUMENT. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL DRAFT TO SAY HERE IT IS BECAUSE COMMENTS ARE STILL GOING ON. SO, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, BUT CAUTION, WE, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE, WHAT OUR, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE. TYLER HAD, YEAH, DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE ONE MORE, ONE POINT? OKAY. UM, SO JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT IF, UM, IT'S OF INTEREST TO THE, THE COMMITTEE, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE FOURTH DRAFT AS, UH, WITH THE CONDITION THAT A MODIFICATION BE MADE TO PAGE ONE 30 TO CLARIFY THE GRAPHIC. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT, THAT YOU CAN DO THAT, TYLER. OKAY. I, I GUESS I'LL KICK IT OFF. I MOVE TO, UH, SPEAK UP GOOD AND LOUD. I MOVE TO [00:25:01] RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FOURTH DRAFT FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT, UH, WITH THE CONDITION, UH, THAT WE UPDATE THAT, UH, ZONING PROCESS MAP ON THAT PAGE. SECOND. ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND A PHONE CALL THAT AL'S GONNA NUKE. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMITTEE? ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, MOTION CARRIES. UM, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, I, BEFORE I, I DO THE PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES. SLIDES REAL QUICK. UM, OH, OH, OKAY. SO, UH, I MENTIONED THIS AGAIN, I WANNA REITERATE, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT COMING UP, POTENTIAL OPENING ON FRIDAY, THIS FRIDAY. IT WILL BE IN CONVEO. YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. UM, AND THEN YOU ARE ALSO ALL, UH, INVITED AND WHEN, UM, JADE WILL BE SURE TO KEEP YOU ALL UPDATED ALONG THE WAY TO WHEN THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR, UH, PNZ AND CITY COUNCIL. WE WOULD LOVE, UH, YOUR SUPPORT, UH, WITH THOSE, UM, BODIES AS WELL AS THE PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. AND THEN, UM, ONE OTHER THING, WE, THIS WILL BE POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA. IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN TOWN NEWSLETTERS. WE ARE SENDING OUT A POSTCARD TO ALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN ADDISON, ALERTING THEM TO THE, UM, INVOLVEMENT THAT, UH, FOR THE COMP PLAN AS WELL AS PROVIDING SOME, UM, FLYERS AND SO FORTH TO BUSINESSES AROUND TOWN. SO, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO ENCOURAGE YOUR, UM, FRIENDS OR OTHERS, YOU KNOW, TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AS WE CONTINUE FORWARD. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU ALL. OKAY. UM, LIZ, TURN THE MICROPHONE OFF. THANK YOU. TH THERE IS A PUBLIC MEETING SCHEDULED, IS THERE NOT WHERE THE CA WHERE THE PLAN WILL BE PRESENTED AND, AND PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN. SO WE UM, FOR, IF Y'ALL COULDN'T HEAR, LIZ ASKED IF THERE WAS GONNA BE ANOTHER MEETING. UM, WE DO HAVE A OPEN HOUSE SCHEDULED FOR MAY 19TH AT THE STONE COTTAGE. UM, IT WILL BE FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM IT WILL BE KIND OF A COME AND GO STYLE. ALL THE DETAILS WILL BE INCLUDED ON THE POSTCARD THAT'S GOING OUT TO ALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A FORMAL PRESENTATION. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PRESENTATION MATERIALS AND STAFF WILL BE PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO DISCUSS SPECIFIC TOPICS WITH ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND PARTICIPATE. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE STYLE OF THE MEETING IT WILL LOOK LIKE. SO THE INPUT IS ONLY TO PROPERTY OWNERS, PEOPLE WHO ARE APARTMENT RESIDENTS CANNOT, NO. THE POSTCARDS WENT OUT TO EVERY LIZ TURN THE MICROPHONE ON TO EVERY SINGLE, SINGLE, TAKE YOUR HANDLE AWAY SINGLE, EVERY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS. SO THAT INCLUDED. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I SORRY, JUST YEP. SORRY, I WASN'T, WASN'T, DIDN'T CLARIFY. YEAH, AND ANYONE ELSE IS WELCOME TO ATTEND. SO WE'RE, WE'RE REACHING OUT TO BUSINESSES, WE'RE REACHING OUT TO O LIKE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, AS WELL. SO EVERYONE IS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE VIA CONVEO AS WELL AS THE OPEN HOUSE OR THEY'RE ALSO WELCOME TO CONTACT ANY OF THE STAFF MEMBERS AT ANY POINT AS WELL. I'M SORRY, YOU SAID TIME SIX TO EIGHT. SIX TO 8:00 PM YES. ON MAY 19TH. TYLER, IS THERE A WAY TO REQUEST A PAPER COPY OF THE DRAFT? UM, I'M SURE PHYLLIS WILL ASK ME FOR ONE. YEAH, CAN YOU JUST REACH OUT TO JADE? OKAY, COOL. CAN DO , I'D LOVE. SURE. PERFECT. RIGHT. ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ISSUES? NOT SO FAST, RIGHT? THEN I WILL OPEN, [4. Citizen Comments: At this time citizens will be allowed to speak on any matter other than personnel matters under litigation, for a length of time not to exceed three minutes. No CPAC action or discussion may take place on any matter until such matter has been placed on an agenda and posted in accordance with law.] UH, I WILL OPEN THE MEETING FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. CITIZEN COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE? OKAY, MY ON FOR YOU. YOU ARE GONNA NEED TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF, STATE YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR COMMENTS OR ON THE THREE MINUTE TIMER. ROSEANNE HOPWOOD, I LIVE AT 41 11 LEADVILLE PLACE AND I AM KICKING OFF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF CPAC'S WORK. SO WE'LL GET STARTED A LITTLE EARLIER THAN MAY 2ND. UM, MY MAIN QUESTIONS REGARD THE MAP ON PAGE 73 AND THE CATEGORIZATION OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AS LOSS LEADERS UNDERPERFORMING. [00:30:06] THE QUESTION I HAD WAS, HOW EXACTLY DID THE PRODUCERS OF THIS MAP DECIDE HOW TO ALLOCATE TO THIS MAP? THE $38 MILLION IN PUBLIC SERVICE PORTION OF THE GENERAL FUND, $10 MILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE. PRETTY CLEAR. THEY SAID THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAD A REALLY GOOD DATA SYSTEM SO THEY COULD TIE THOSE DOLLARS TO SPECIFIC PARCELS. 38 MILLION IN PUBLIC SERVICE. REALLY FUZZY. SO IN MY SIMPLE KIND OF GENERIC CITIZEN VIEW, I THINK PUBLIC SERVICE. OKAY, $12 MILLION FOR THE POLICE FORCE. THIS WAS 2023 $10 MILLION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT LIKE 700 PEOPLE IN MY 0.09 SQUARE MILE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT VITRUVIAN PARK OVER THERE HAS 4,000 PEOPLE AND BASICALLY TWICE THE SPACE. AND I'M THINKING SURELY THEY'RE SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY OVER THERE FOR PUBLIC SERVICE, UM, UH, NEEDS. SO I DID GET THANKS TO JADE, A RESPONSE FROM, UM, A NO NAME, BUT A RESPONSE FROM THE, UH, CONSULTANT. AND IT, IT, IT'S CONFUSING, YOU KNOW, THEY DID SAY THAT THEY CONSIDERED DWELLING UNITS, BUT THEN THEY ALSO CONSIDERED PROXIMITY TO TOWN FACILITIES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO, SO I WANT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CPAC TO PREPARE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LIVED IN EDISON, THIS WAS MY FIRST HOME I'VE EVER BOUGHT AT AGE 50, AND I'M PROBABLY ABOUT TO RUN OUTTA TIME SEEING MY NEIGHBORHOOD LABELED AS UNDER POOR PERFORMING WHEN MOST OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS HAVE COME FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, SEEING THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS LABELED AS UNDERPERFORMING AND LOSS LEADERS IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ZONING DECISIONS ARE GONNA BE MADE ON THIS. THIS IS WHAT DEFINES THE GOOD OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, OF, OF THIS TOWN MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT WORRIES ME, THAT WORRIES ME THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS NEXT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. AND I WON'T BE THE ONLY ONE WHO'S WORRIED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT ALSO TALKS IN HERE ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD BEING POSSIBLY INFIELD WITH APARTMENTS THAT HAVE 16 TO 20 UNITS. NOW. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. IT SAYS SOMETHING ELSE ELSEWHERE. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS LIKE THIS FROM THE PUBLIC. I HOPE AND I, I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE GOOD ANSWERS. THANKS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY, THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS ON THE COMMITTEE, I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR GREAT TOWN, THE BEST TOWN IN TEXAS. AND UM, THAT'S IT FOR US. WE STAND ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.