* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. I [00:00:01] AM, UH, I'M GONNA CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER. WE NOW HAVE A QUORUM. UM, I'M GONNA, WE DON'T HAVE A FLAG, SO WE'RE GONNA SKIP THE PLEDGE. DO WE HAVE A FLAG? GOT A GOOGLE IMAGE. WE HAVE A GOOGLE IMAGE. OKAY. WELL, LET'S GET A GOOGLE IMAGE OF THE FLAG AND THEN WE'LL SAY THE PLEDGE . ALL. I HAVE A TINY IMAGE OF THE FLAG AND HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH, OKAY, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UH, THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR [1. Consider action on the minutes from the February 12, 2025 Comprehensive Plan Advisory Committee Meeting.] COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION. MAKE MOTION. CATHERINE WHEELER WITH A MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, DENISE, WITH THE SECOND. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, I'LL TURN OVER TO STAFF. THE, UM, ITEM TWO REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. [2. Present and discuss the revised draft Comprehensive Plan. ] GOOD EVENING, LESLIE. DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. SO WE'RE GONNA, HERE WE GO. UH, SO THIS EVENING, UM, WE'LL BE COLLECTING SOME, OH, THANK YOU. SORRY. WE WILL BE, UM, DOING, UM, KIND OF A TABLE READ AND A POLL AS WELL, UM, FOR SOME ITEMS TO TRY TO KIND OF REACH CONSENSUS OR GET CLOSER TO CONSENSUS. AND, UM, BEFORE WE GET THERE, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT OCCURRED FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAFT TO THE CURRENT DRAFT, WHICH IS ON THE, IN THE AGENDA ON CONVEO AND AT YOUR TABLE. SO, JUST REFRESHING WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS. WE'RE ON PHASE FIVE, UH, INCLUDING THE, UM, PLAN, DRAFT AND REFINEMENT AND, SORRY, THIS, THAT CURSOR THING'S KIND OF ANNOYING. UM, SO, BUT LOOKING FORWARD, UM, FOR CPA, SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A CPAC MEETING TONIGHT. WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A NEXT MEETING ON APRIL 30TH. AND THEN, UH, WE WILL BE USING SOME TIME TO DO SOME STAFF, UM, DOCUMENT EDITS AS WELL AS PUBLIC, UH, REVIEW IN MAY. AND POSSIBLE ADOPTION, POSSIBLE ADOPTION LATER THIS SUMMER INTO EARLY FALL. SO GOING THROUGH SOME DOCUMENT CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAFT TO YOUR CURRENT, UM, YOU'LL SEE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT FORMATTING AND RESTRUCTURING CHANGES. THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK ON THERE WAS, UM, IN SOME OF THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS, LACK SOME CONTEXT. SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY PULLED OUT INTO AN EDUCATIONAL CONCEPT SECTION TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR OF WHAT THOSE WERE. UM, AND PROVIDED MORE CONTEXT SPECIFIC TO ADDISON IN THE BULK OF THE DOCUMENT. UM, ALSO TEXT REVISIONS BASED UPON FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL PROVIDED. UM, ALSO SOME OTHER, UM, DATA UPDATES, IMAGERY UPDATES, SOME NEW GRAPHICS AS WELL BASED UPON FEEDBACK. UM, ITEMS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE DOCUMENT. SO THE LARGE DOCUMENT THAT'S AT YOUR TABLE IS THE LAST DRAFT WITH ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN STAFF'S RESPONSE TO THOSE COMMENTS. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT CHANGED WITHIN THE DOCUMENT AND HOW WE RESPONDED TO YOUR COMMENT. AND, UM, MAY HAVE OR HAVE NOT INCORPORATED THOSE COMMENTS. SO HERE'S A COUPLE OF SLIDES SHOWING WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE. SO AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT, THE PREVIOUS DRAFT ON THE RIGHT, THE CURRENT DRAFT, JUST ADDING SOME LABELS, MAKING IT MORE CLEAR, UM, LITTLE BIT MORE READABLE, ADDING SOME CONTEXT. UM, AND THEN A BIG ADDITION YOU'LL SEE IN THE PLAN AS WELL ARE THESE, UM, NOTES HERE. SO THOSE, IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, OTHER NOTES, YOU'LL FIND THAT THOSE ARE REFERENCES TO RELATED SECTIONS WITHIN THE DOCUMENTS. SO THERE WILL BE ACTUAL LINKS, BUT THEY ALSO REFERENCE THE PAGE NUMBER. IT SAYS, WELL, SO THAT IT'S TYING DIFFERENT COMPONENTS BACK TO EACH OTHER WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOME SHIFTS THAT OCCURRED, UM, PAGE TO PAGE BASED UPON YOUR, UM, COMMENTARY. [00:05:02] SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE OBVIOUSLY A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. UM, WE WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME DOING SOME TABLE READS AND EACH TABLE HAVING THEIR OWN SECTION AND KIND OF HAVING CONVERSATION AMONGST YOURSELVES TO GET SOME FEEDBACK. YOU'RE WELCOME TO, UM, KIND OF TAKE FEEDBACK FOR YOURSELF IF YOU WANNA ADD IT TO CONVEY O BUT ALSO WE HAVE A WORKSHEET ON YOUR TABLE THAT HAS, UM, VARIOUS COLUMNS. AND SO IT'S REFERENCING, UM, I BELIEVE THREE THINGS THAT YOU LIKE AND THREE THINGS THAT YOU BELIEVE NEED IMPROVEMENT OR POTENTIALLY DISLIKE WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. UM, JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GATHER INPUT, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING COLLECTIVELY AS A GROUP, A GROUP, UM, TO ONCE AGAIN TRY TO REACH CONSENSUS OR EXCUSE ME, CONSENT. AND THEN, UM, AS WE DO THAT, UM, WRAPPING THAT UP, WE WILL HAVE, UM, SOME MULTI-CHOICE QUESTIONS THAT WE ALL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN. SO WE CAN SEE THE LIVE POLLING, UM, ON SOME OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT WE DID NOT HAVE CONSENT ON. SO DID YOU ASSIGN SECTIONS PER TABLE? ANYTHING ABOUT THE INTRO? SO JUST EACH COMPONENT OKAY. PER TABLE. AND SO LAND USE ONE, TABLE, MOBILITY, ANOTHER. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO EACH OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE, THE DOCUMENT. SO LAND USE, MOBILITY, UM, HOUSING. HOUSING AND WHAT'S THE, AND THE, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX. SO THERE SHOULD BE FOUR, LIKE THE FOUR, I'M GONNA CALL THEM THE MEAT OF THE DOCUMENT SECTIONS, TABLES TAKES ONE. CORRECT. AND THEN WE'LL THEN WE CAN KIND OF ROTATE. SO, SO WE'RE GONNA ASSIGN, YEAH, SURE. SO DOES, UH, THIS IS TABLE ONE. DO YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE, UM, THE FIRST ONE, WHICH I THINK IS LAND USE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. AND THEN TABLE TWO, DO YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE, UM, HOUSING. HOUSING AND THEN MOBILITY AND THEN IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL LIKE, WE'LL ROTATE AND THEN WE'LL ROTATE AFTER LIKE 20, AFTER 20 MINUTES. WERE ONLY DOING NO. ALSO, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT ONE PERSON FROM THESE TWO TABLES TO GO OVER TO THESE TABLES? SO IT'S 3, 3, 3. I CAN, AND SO WELL, SUE CAN ALSO JOIN THE TABLE. YEAH. SO I'M STILL TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO ON THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA READ THIS ENTIRE THING. NO, YOU'RE JUST GONNA DO A TABLE READ AND LOOK, LOOK THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, DISCUSS WITH EACH OTHER. OKAY. CLICK ON THAT. YES. [00:33:19] [00:55:37] THANK [00:55:38] YOU [00:55:38] EVERYONE. [00:55:38] UM, [00:55:39] WE'RE [00:55:39] GONNA [00:55:39] GET [00:55:39] STARTED [00:55:40] ON THE POLL. IT'S NOT AMPLIFYING, IT'S JUST FOR THE RECORDING BACK THERE. BUT, UM, SO IF YOU WOULD TRY TO NOMINATE A TABLE LEADER, WE'RE GONNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE THE TOP THREE PER TABLE IN THE POLL SO WE HAVE THAT DIGITALLY. SO FIRST QUESTION IS GONNA BE A SCALE OF ONE TO 10. HOW WOULD YOU RANK THE PROGRESS MADE SO FAR ON THE CURRENT DRAFT SINCE YOU LAST SAW IT? SO SAW IT 10 BEING GREAT AND ONE BEING HORRIBLE. ONLY ONE PERSON HAS PER TABLE. WE DO ONE PER TABLE. WHAT'S THAT THOUGHTS HERE? WHAT, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? SO, BUT WE'RE RANKING THE PRODUCT, NOT NECESSARILY TOOLS. SO PROCESS, BUT THAT SHOULD BE IT. I GENERALLY PRETTY HIGH SCORE OF AN EIGHT. NO PER, YEAH. IMPROVEMENTS WISE, THIS IS REALLY SOLID STUFF. OKAY. OUR NEXT ONE, YOU'VE ALREADY PULLED INTO THE TOP THREE THINGS THAT YOUR TABLE LIKES ABOUT THE LATEST DRAFT FOR THE SECTIONS THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT. SEE IF YOU COULD GUESS, THERE'S NOT REALLY SUCH A WORD. OKAY, ONE MORE. WE NEED MORE PRETTY COLORS. PRETTY COLORS COLOR, THE GRAPHICS LAYOUT. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. OKAY. THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL OR THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL FOR WHAT, UM, THE TOWN WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH. LIKES. YEAH. WHAT'S YOUR, UM, UM, [01:00:01] WHAT'S THAT? IT WAS FUN. PUT, PUT ME ON THE SPOT. THAT'S PAYING ATTENTION. UM, LOOK, WE GOT A MORE LEGIBLE CONRAD SAYING IT'S MAYBE NOT, IS THE PROBLEM THE FAULT OF THE DOCUMENT? IT'S RATHER INFORMATION DENSE, SO BEING UNAPPROACHABILITY OF FINE WITH IT, BUT I'M TO UNDERSTAND, BUT ABSOLUTELY IS. OKAY. BUT SEE, BUT I, I, I SAY THAT AS THE FLIP SIDE. SO WE HAVE ONE MORE LIGHT. LAST ONE WE'RE NO, I WAS GONNA ASK FOR A YEAH, YEAH. THE END OF CHAPTER WHERE IT'S LIKE THESE STEPS. OKAY. I'VE GOT ONE LAST, UH, GROUP THAT HAS TO PUT THEIR COMMENTARY IN. YEAH, THAT'S THIS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. GREAT. ALL RIGHT, NEXT QUESTION. IF EACH TABLE LEADER COULD JUST DO YOUR TOP THREE DISLIKES AND TRY TO MAKE IT BRIEF, WE'LL USE ABOUT ANOTHER MINUTE HERE TO GET THAT CAPTURED. I, THAT'S FOR THE PEOPLE CONCERN US, THANK THE DEVELOPERS AND FUTURE COUNSELS AND STUFF. UNDERSTAND THAT. WE SAID NOW WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE 2015 IT'S WONDERFUL, A REALLY GOOD, LIKE THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD READ. 20. AND HE WAS, AND I THINK THE EXPLANATION IS NOT FOR US [01:05:01] PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T DONE THIS. AND A I THINK THAT'S PUT IT, UM, I'VE HAD JUST BASICALLY BE BETTER. DOES IT HAVE A STICKY NOTE ON THE INTERIOR? YEAH, IT'S, IT ACTUALLY TELL THEM HOW, WHY DON'T JUST SAY, OH, IN CASE ANYBODY WANTED IT. RECOMMENDATIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS NEXT SET OF QUESTIONS IS MORE FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE. SO IF YOU WANNA GET YOUR PHONES OR DEVICES OUT, THIS IS THE CONSENT BUILDING WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHERE THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE REPEATED ON THIS LAST DRAFT, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY GET CONSENT FOR. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAR THOSE UP WITH A STRAIGHTFORWARD YES OR NO ANSWER. SO EVERYBODY NEEDS TO DO THIS INDIVIDUALLY. YEP. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED ON TO YOUR PHONE YET, SIGN ON NOW. I NEED SOME QUERY ON THIS. SURE. THIS ISN'T THAT FAR OUTSIDE OF MY BUSINESS. THE LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT OWNERSHIP PRODUCT BUILT IN A SMALLER URBAN PATTERN IS FISCALLY SOUND. CAN YOU I NEED A LITTLE DEFINITION OF THAT BECAUSE YEAH. THAT ON TOP OF THE FACT OF LIKE, THE PRODUCT THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD IN URBAN IS LIKELY EXPENSIVE. MM-HMM . SO THAT DOESN'T, THAT KIND OF IS CONTRADICTORY TO FISCALLY SOUND. SURE. SO WHAT THIS IS, SORRY, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? NO, YOU GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, IT'S REFERRING TO THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS EARLIER ON IN THE DOCUMENT THAT TALK ABOUT GENERALLY BUILDING SMALLER, GENERALLY BUILDING SMALLER IS PRODUCTIVE. AND SO WE HAD A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ABOUT IS SMALLER ACTUALLY BETTER. SO IT'S MEANT TO CAPTURE THAT FEEDBACK OF ARE, IS THAT EVEN DESIRABLE FOR ADDISON? IS A SMALLER ADD INTO LIKE IT SAYS IT SHOULD SAY THAT SMALLER HOUSES ARE MORE DESIRABLE. NO, NOT EVEN HOUSES IT'S LOT. I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. I'M NOT TRYING TO DICTATE IT. SURE. IT'S LOTS AND PRODUCT HOUSING. SO, UM, IT APPLIES TO BOTH THE LOT AND THE PRODUCT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S, I'M SORRY. WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE IF EITHER A SMALLER LOT OR A SMALLER, UM, UNIT IS DESIRABLE. THIS IS HOUSING. [01:10:01] YES. YEAH. BE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP. THIS IS CONSULTANT SUITE TRYING TO FOCUS ON DESIRABLE FIRST SMALLER HOUSES ON SMALLER LOTS. THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. , IT COULDN'T SAY THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN TOO SIMPLE. TO SHARE. IT'S FOR RENTERS WHO ARE WANTING TO STEP UP. IT'S THE NATURE OF THREE. WELL, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. YES. RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE A RENTER AND YOU WANT TO GET INTO YOUR FIRST HOME, THERE'S NO STARTER HOMES. HERE IS WHAT THIS RACE SELL SAYS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THERE'S NO STAY, THERE'S NO STARTER HOMES. . YEAH. YOU DO SMALL. YEAH. RIGHT. I, MY FIRST HOUSE WAS A PRE-FAB WAS A, IT WAS A WAS IT WAS CAME IN TWO SECTIONS AND THE GUY JUST SMACKED THEM TOGETHER ON THE LOT. IT CAME FROM A FACTORY. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE A DOUBLE WIDE. IT WAS A PREFAB. IT WAS PRETTY MUCH, YEAH. AND IT WAS, IT WAS AFFORDABLE. IT WENT UP QUICK. IT WAS 1800 SQUARE FEET. AND I MOVED TO TEXAS AND GOT A 4,200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND ALL THE FURNITURE DISAPPEARED. THE WALLS WERE EMPTY. . I WAS LIKE, I'M LIKE, I MEAN THE HOUSE WE'RE IN WAS PACKED WITH FURNITURE. WE, WE GOT MOVED THERE. I'M LIKE, GOOD NEWS. I'M LIKE, IS THERE ANOTHER TRUCK COMING? ? ACTUALLY THAT'S WHEN I LEARNED TO BUILD FURNITURE. I'M LIKE, I CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY IT. THE BUY THE RAW WOODEN, MAKE IT MYSELF. THE CURRENT DEC HANG ON. THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE DRIVEN. SO APOLOGIES. THE INTERNET IS SLOW. WE ARE COLLECTING THE INFORMATION. I CAN SEE IT ON MY COMPUTER, BUT IT'S JUST NOT SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN. SO, SO FAR WE'RE AT 75%. YES. DESIRABLE. YEAH, SURE. YEAH. SOMEONE OUTSIDE HAVE TWO CELL PHONES. NOW IT'S GONE DOWN. YEAH. OKAY. NEXT QUESTION. YEAH, IT'S THE NEXT QUESTION. DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU OWN AN OWNERSHIP PRODUCT? ? SURE. OWNERSHIP. IT SEEMS TO BE LIKE IT'S CREATED A NEW SLIDE OVER HERE SO THAT THE TAX BASE. SO SEE THAT THERE'S 5 MILLION. WHERE'S HOUSING TRENDS? THAT'S THE BLUE SECTION. OKAY. GOOD. RESIDENTIAL. OH REALLY? 25 LAGGING. SO IT'S SHOWING THE RESULTS RIGHT NOW IT'S AT 89%. YES. 11%. NO, ZERO. I'LL GIVE IT A COUPLE MORE SECONDS FOR THE LAST PEOPLE. ALL RIGHT. THERE IT SHOWS UP. OKAY. 82%. YES. NEXT QUESTION. THIS ONE YOU'RE GONNA WANNA LOOK AT THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX. SO ON THE MARCH DRAFT, IF YOU WANNA REFERENCE THOSE ITEMS. UM, WHAT PAGE PLEASE? SO IT'S IN G TWO B, WHICH IS THE GENERAL RE THANK YOU. IT STARTS ON 1 97. IN A WORLD DESIRE FOR TO [01:15:01] SPECIFY INCENTIVES, OWNERSHIP B, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ENSURE REPUTATION G YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE SAW AT THE LAST MEETING CONDUCTED OR THE TYPES OF LAND IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE PROMOTED EXCEPT G THREE B. YEAH. WHAT'S G THREE B? YEAH, I CREATE DEVELOPMENT FUNDED INCENTIVES FOR INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THIS IS, I I I THINK THAT I'LL WAIT. I THINK THIS IS INCENTIVE. THIS IS INCENTIVE FOR DEVELOPERS, NOT FOR OWNERS. YEP. I GET IT. I GET IT. NOW ARE, SEE IF IT SHOWS UP THERE WE GO. 55% NO TO INCENTIVES FOR OWNERSHIP HOUSING. DOES ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK TO THIS? THIS ONE'S PRETTY, UM, HOTLY DEBATED ON THE DOCUMENT. IT'S PROBABLY IN MY MIND WITH IT IS, ESPECIALLY FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, IS YOU INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPER AND THERE'S NO CONTROL AT THE MIC. WHAT ARE YOU POINTING? THE MIC. OH, MIC. OH, OKAY. UH, SO THE BIGGEST PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS, IS THAT YOU INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPER AND YOU GIVE HIM INCENTIVES OR WHATEVER, AND THERE'S NO CONTROL MECHANISM FOR WHAT HE TURNS AROUND AND SELLS THAT FOR. AND, AND SO YOU COULD JUST BE ULTIMATELY INCENTIVIZE, YOU KNOW, GIVING A DEVELOPER BIGGER PROFITS. I MEAN, IF A DEAL DOESN'T STAND ON ITS OWN, IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE BUILT. AND I MEAN, EVEN IF IT, IT'S THE END USER IS A HOME BUYER. I, I GET HOME BUYERS WANNA BE INCENT, YOU KNOW, WANT CHEAPER HOUSING HERE. BUT, BUT THERE'S NO MECHANISMS TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT. THAT PORTION IS, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO FORCE THAT HOUSE TO STAY AFFORDABLE. IT'S GONNA GO TO MARKET PRICES, IT'S GONNA, THE PRICING'S GONNA KEEP GOING UP ON IT. SO IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF AN INCENTIVE TO BEGIN WITH. TYLER? NO, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT SOME MORE AND I AGREE WITH DENISE HERE. OKAY. UM, JUST, YOU JUST GOTTA BUILD BECAUSE I STILL SAID NO. 'CAUSE I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. I WAS ORIGINALLY THINKING ABOUT LIKE, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T WANNA INCENTIVIZE SINGLE FAMILY HERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM FOR IT, BUT LIKE A CONDO TOWER WOULD BE KIND OF FUN FROM AN OWNERSHIP PERSPECTIVE. UM, BUT THAT HAS ITS OWN PROBLEMS AND IT SHOULD SIT IF, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THE MARKET, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO AND THAT I THINK WE'RE DOING WITH THE ZONING CHANGES, UDC TO KIND OF ENCOURAGE LIKE MORE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT MAKE DEVELOPMENT INTO OTHER THINGS MORE PROBABLE. BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH ADDISON CAN DO AND I DON'T THINK INCENTIVES IS THE WAY TO DO IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT QUESTION. THIS ONE YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO REFERENCE THE MATRIX AGAIN. SO, UM, ON THE DOCUMENT, I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THIS. WE HAD, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF COMMENTARY BACK AND FORTH ABOUT ESSENTIALLY PRESERVING NEIGHBORHOODS AND BEING CLEAR ON THE EXTENT OF REDEVELOPMENT WHERE THAT WOULD HAPPEN. AND SO THIS QUESTION'S MEANT TO EMPHASIZE, UH, THE PLACE TYPES MAP SPECTRUM OF CHANGE MAP AND THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX ITEMS LISTED THERE SPECIFY HOW NEIGHBORHOODS MAY BECOME MORE COMPLETE OVER TIME. UM, AND IT'S ASKING IF YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEGREE AND TYPE OF REDEVELOPMENT IS RELATIVE TO EACH NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE QUESTION DOES THE DOCUMENT RIGHT HERE WITH YEAH, WITH WITH WHAT'S LISTED IN THE QUESTION? YES. SO THERE'S TWO MAPS AND THOSE MATRIX ITEMS WE GO, THE MATRIX STARTS ON SOUNDS LIKE, SOUNDS LIKE A, IT'S THE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD MATRIX ITEMS. SO IN THE MATRIX ITSELF, [01:20:01] WHICH STARTS ON 1 98. THE MATRIX. YEAH, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE C DESIRED SERVICES. I MEAN, SO 200 PAGE DOCUMENT, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE LIKE THE RED. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I HATE THAT THEY HAD IT HERE, RIGHT? NO, SHE TRIED TO DO THAT PROPOSAL, BUT IT SAID HERE. YEAH. HERE, JESSE. YOU KNOW, I CAN JUST IMAGINE LIKE ALL OF IT. ALL RIGHT. THIS ONE WE'VE GOT 83%. YES. SO WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. NEXT ONE. AGAIN, WE'RE REFERENCING THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX IN HERE AND ASKING ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH UTILIZING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESSES IN THE MATRIX TO DETERMINE THE LEVEL AND TYPE OF REDEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS CHOSEN FOR FURTHER STUDY? SO THIS IS AGAIN, SPEAKING TO THOSE OTHER MAPS AND INDICATING THAT CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, ALTHOUGH WE ARE ENCOURAGING TYPES OF REDEVELOPMENT, THAT WILL NOT BE DONE WITHOUT A PLANNING PROCESS IN PLACE. SO THOSE MATRIX ITEMS DETAIL WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE US THE ABILITY TO, IF YOU AGREE, LIKE I KIND OF AGREE WITH TWO OF THEM, BUT NOT A THIRD ONE. SO DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY YES OR NO? I'D BE UNSURE. OKAY. YOU GET TO REPEAT THAT PAGE. CAN YOU PUT, THESE ARE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS. I'M NOT SURE THESE ARE GETTING US YEAH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE WAY THESE QUESTIONS ARE PHRASED. I, I'M STRUGGLING. I'M NOT SURE. THIS IS HOW WE BUILD CONSENSUS AROUND THINK TOO AROUND WHAT WE, THE THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLED WITH THAT MADE SOME OF US FELTED. THERE WASN'T A CONSENSUS FOR LIKE SHUTTING DOWN BELTLINE OR MIDWAY. THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS ARE A LITTLE MORE, SO I, I HESITATE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS AS A, UH, AS A METHOD FOR VALIDATING WHAT'S IN THE REPORT. SURE. I I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT MYSELF. MAYBE I'M ALONE IN THAT, BUT I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT THERE. SURE. AND WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS BY NO MEANS A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY. UM, IT'S MEANT TO SPARK DISCUSSION ON GAINING CONSENT, NOT NECESSARILY CONSENSUS. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, MORE OF THE CONSENSUS SIDE OF THINGS, WHICH IS A MAJORITY, THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT'S PUT IN CONVEY O ON THE DOCUMENT. YEAH. I I GUESS I'D BE CURIOUS TO ASK WHAT'S STOPPING THE YES FOR THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION? 'CAUSE TO ME THIS SEEMS LIKE THIS IS JUST STUFF YOU'D ASK IN GOOD FAITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AT THE TOWN LEVEL. UM, SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S STOPPING A YES HERE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK UP? I, IT SAYS TO IDENTIFY RE RESIDENTIAL CHAMPIONS FROM EACH NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SORRY. I DON'T, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. I, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT MEANS THAT YOU GET TO GO SAY WHAT I WANT AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THAT'S THE LABOR INTENT. GO FIND THE PERSON WHO'S WILLING BE THE CHAMPION, LET THE CHAMPION GO AROUND AND FIND A NEIGHBORHOOD. ES I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND [01:25:01] YOUR DESIRABILITY OR MOTIVATION TO DO THAT. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN THERE'S ALSO THAT THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT THINK THEY'RE FINE THE WAY THEY ARE. SO THEY JUST, THEY JUST SAY THAT THEN, THEN WE'RE DONE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY GOES HOME. I THINK THE IDEAS NOW THE CHAMPION THING TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. MAYBE, UH, WE SAY THAT IN CONSULTING ALL THE TIME TOO, AND I ACTUALLY GET REALLY TIRED OF DEALING WITH CHAMPIONS. UM, BUT UH, BUT THE IDEA OF PARTNERING WITH RESIDENTS AND REVIEWING, MAKING NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFIC PLANS WITH THEM IS ONLY A GOOD IDEA EVEN IF THEY WANT NOTHING. OKAY. NOTED. WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE DRAFT AT 62%. YES. FOR THIS ONE. UM, THIS NEXT ONE IS TALKING ABOUT PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS WAS COMMENTED FREQUENTLY IN THE DOCUMENT. UM, SO THE JANUARY DRAFT MENTIONED THAT PDS CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR DEVELOPERS AND STAFF TO FOLLOW. THIS WAS IDENTIFIED AS AN ISSUE TO ADDRESS IN THE PLAN. UM, WE DID SOFTEN THAT LANGUAGE QUITE A BIT IN THE MOST RECENT DRAFT. BUT WE'RE CURIOUS FROM THE GROUP, DO YOU AGREE THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENTS ARE, CAN BE CHALLENGING? OKAY. ANYWAY, WHEREVER, I MEAN TO ME THIS IS THIS I LARGE UNDEVELOPED AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, DOWN PLANT OUT. OH YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT 12. OKAY. AND DIRECTION. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THEIR ANSWER? WE'VE GOT A PRETTY STRONG MAJORITY THAT IT'S GENERALLY CHALLENGING. UM, SO WE WILL KEEP THIS IN MIND WHEN CONTINUING TO REFINE THE TEXT RELATIVE TO THAT. OKAY. I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. OH, I WAS JUST NOTING WE HAVE A PRETTY STRONG MAJORITY AGREEING THAT IT'S GENERALLY CAN BE CHALLENGING TO ADMINISTER A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'LL JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT TECH SECTION. OKAY. SO LET ME, LET ME JUST HAVE MY SAY SINCE I'M THE, I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT, UH, THAT REALLY, REALLY OBJECTED TO THIS. SO THE IDEA IS THAT IDEALLY YOU HAVE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE AND, AND SOMEBODY CAN COME INTO YOUR MUNICIPALITY AND THEY LOOK AT THAT AND THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT AND, AND I GET THAT. BUT WE ARE FOUR AND A HALF SQUARE MILES AND WE HAVE USED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY A CONTRACT BETWEEN US AND THE DEVELOPERS. SO WE, THEY SAY WE WANT A ZONING CHANGE. WE SAY, OKAY, WE'LL CONSIDER IT. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THESE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEVER PUT IN THE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE KINDS OF COUNTERTOPS THEY HAVE TO BE, UH, MARBLE OR THEY HAVE TO BE PORCELAIN OR WHATEVER IT IS WE WANNA PUT IN THERE. THINGS YOU WOULD NEVER PUT IN THE CODE WE PUT IN THERE. THE IDEA HERE IN THE, THAT WAS EXPRESSED WAS THESE ARE IMPEDIMENTS TO DEVELOPMENT. IF WE WERE DALLAS, I COULD SEE THAT ARGUMENT BECAUSE DALLAS IS BIG. WE ARE FOUR AND A HALF SQUARE MILES. IF YOU AS A DEVELOPER CAN'T LOOK AROUND AT WHAT WE'VE BUILT IN FOUR AND A HALF SQUARE MILES AND LOOK AT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, 10, 20 PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE PASSED OVER THE YEARS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, MAYBE WE DON'T WANT YOU IN OUR TOWN ANYWAY. IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT. AND I FEEL REALLY STRONGLY ABOUT IT BECAUSE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, I GET THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM JUST USING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THEY GIVE US ALL KINDS OF CONTROL OVER WHAT IS BUILT. AND THAT IS PART OF HOW WE HAVE LOOKED THE WAY WE LOOK BECAUSE WE USE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS TO REQUIRE HIGHER STANDARDS TO PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANTED TO COME HERE. SO FOR FOUR AND A HALF SQUARE MILES, ITTY BITTY WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP OUT, I THINK PLAN [01:30:01] DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS ARE EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO US AND THEY PROTECT US AS A COMMUNITY, AS CITIZENS. NOT THAT I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. I HAVE SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, AL AND CATHERINE I THINK ARE THE ONLY OTHER TWO. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS USED THEM WHEN YOU WERE ON THE COUNCIL AS WELL. SO I SEE CATHERINE NODDING. I SEE AL NODDING A LITTLE BIT. AND SO I JUST WOULD URGE THAT WE NOT LOOK AT PLAN DEVELOPMENTS AS, UH, AN IMPEDIMENT OR AS AN OBSTACLE OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN A POSITIVE TOOL TO PROTECT US AS A COMMUNITY TO DEMAND HIGHER STANDARDS. THERE'S MY 2 CENTS. I ADD 2 CENTS TO WORKED IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL. STAFF GENERALLY DO NOT LIKE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS 'CAUSE THEY'RE HARDER TO ADMINISTER. THAT'S THE BASIC PROBLEM. BUT THEY GET THE COM GIVE THE COMMUNITY WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WHICH IS HIGHER STANDARDS. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTARY. I WILL ADD, UM, CHECK OUT THE LAND USE SECTION WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ON CONVEO. WE DID SOFTEN THAT LANGUAGE PER THE COMMENTARY QUITE A BIT TO CAPTURE HOW A PIECE HAVE BEEN USED IN ADDISON IN THE PAST, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SPEAK TO THE QUALITY THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE, UM, WHILE NOTING SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGES. OKAY. SINCE I'M UP HERE, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE NEXT STEPS. SO, UH, WE HAVE EXTENDED THE REVIEW THROUGH 8:00 AM MONDAY, APRIL 7TH. SO CONTINUE TO ISSUE YOUR COMMENTARY ON CONVEY. IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL ISSUES OR QUESTIONS, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO REACH OUT TO ME. UM, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WENT IN THERE AND MADE SOME COMMENTS AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE MOVED. SO I WILL BE LOOKING THROUGH THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS GONNA BE APRIL 30TH HERE AT THE ATHLETIC CLUB, AND THAT'S TO RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS EDITED AT THAT TIME. AND THAT SHOULD BE OUR FINAL MEETING. UM, ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT SCHEDULE. AFTER THAT, UH, WE'LL BE MOVING INTO ROBUST PUBLIC INPUT. SO THE ENTIRE MONTH OF MAY IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR US TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE THE PLAN, UM, AND MAKE IT REACHABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE FOR FOLKS. SO, UM, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO, UM, STAY UP TO DATE ON HOW WE DO THAT PUBLIC INPUT. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'LL BE MOVING INTO THE OFFICIAL KIND OF HEARING PHASE OF THINGS WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, A WORK SESSION AND ADOPTION RECOMMENDATION, AND THE SAME SEQUENCE FOR COUNCIL. AND IF ALL THINGS GO ACCORDING TO PLAN, WE'LL START TO IMPLEMENT AND TRACK THE PLAN ON THE TOWN WEBSITE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT SO FAR, SO FAR. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD EFFORTS AND YOUR LONG HOURS. OKAY. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. WE'RE NOT DONE. WE ARE NOT DONE. [4. Citizen Comments: At this time citizens will be allowed to speak on any matter other than personnel matters under litigation, for a length of time not to exceed three minutes. No CPAC action or discussion may take place on any matter until such matter has been placed on an agenda and posted in accordance with law.] UM, I'M GONNA UH, OPEN THE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE WHO WANNA SAY ANYTHING. NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. HOW LONG DID YOU GET? WHAT ARE THE RULES? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE AGENDA ACTUALLY, BECAUSE NOT MUCH WAS, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND THEN GO TO A MICROPHONE SO THAT PEOPLE AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU? I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. IT'S THE POINT OF INFORMATION. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ANY RULES, BUT I, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY AND YOU TAKE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ARE RESPECTFUL, WE'LL LISTEN. WELL THE POINT ABOUT THE PUBLIC PROCESS, WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? ELIZABETH JONES. I'M IN EAST ADDISON. UM, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC BODY, THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE HERE NOT ONLY TO OBSERVE BUT PROSPECTIVELY I PRESUME TO UH, PARTICIPATE. SO I'M WONDERING HOW THAT WORKS WHEN IT'S AT THE END. I KNOW THERE WERE, I THINK MAYBE A FEW OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE. UM, AND THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE PART OF THE APPROACH OF HOW THIS, RIGHT. SO AS WITH ANY COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAVE OUR MEETING. YOU ARE WELCOME TO OBSERVE THAT. AND THEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT POINT OR, OR TIME SET ASIDE IN THE, IT'S PART OF THE AGENDA. I THINK IT'S ITEM IT IS AFTER ITEM TWO. CORRECT. AND SO IT'S JUST AN INVITATION FOR ANYONE TO MAKE COMMENTS. THE, IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC, [01:35:01] IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST AS WITH THE COUNCIL MEETING, IT'S NOT FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT MEETING. IT'S SIMPLY TO MAKE COMMENTS. UM, SO WE DO, THIS IS A COMMITTEE. WE DO OUR BUSINESS. I I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS A COMMITTEE. THERE'S A PROCESS. IT'S A LONG PROCESS. THERE ARE PHASES, THERE'S INFORMATION, THERE ARE REPORTS, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN, NOT JUST AT OUTPUT MEETINGS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO THE PUBLIC, BUT RATHER DURING THE PROCESS. THAT'S A NORMAL PART OF A COMMITTEE PROCESS. OKAY. THANK YOU. FREE COMMENTS. THAT'S MY COMMENT. YEP. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY. VERY QUICKLY, I NOTICED MY NAME HAS BEEN DROPPED FROM THE INVITATION LIST, WHICH IS WHY I DID NOT SHOW UP IN TIME HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. I HAD IN MY SCHEDULE . OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL CHECK THAT. LET, LET ME DEAL WITH THE, LET ME DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC MEETING PART FIRST. AL. ALRIGHT. IS ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I WASN'T ATTEMPTING TO SPEAK. OH, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THAT WAS LAID OUT AND WHAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS TO EXPECT ABOUT WHEN THEY COME TO A MEETING SUCH AS THIS, IF THEY'RE JUST HERE TO OBSERVE. YES. AND 90% OF WHAT YOU DID TONIGHT. I, THERE WAS, I COULDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PARTICIPATION WITH THE PUBLIC. I'VE SAT AT HOME, I'VE BEEN TO FOUR OTHER MEETINGS BESIDES THIS ONE WHERE, THIS IS MY FOURTH MEETING. EXCUSE ME. YEP. AND ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS LEARN, GET INFORMATION. SURE. AND POTENTIALLY OFFER POSSIBLE INPUT THAT JUST LIKE MY FELLOW CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO DO IN A PROCESS FOR WHICH IS WE'RE MEMBERS OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? PUBLIC HEARING. PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. I MADE THIS, I'M GONNA CLO I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS FROM THE COMMITTEE? I MADE THIS OBSERVATION IN OUR DISCUSSION AS BY FAR THE OLDEST GUY IN THE ROOM. AND HAVING GONE THROUGH, UH, THE LAST THREE MONTHS HEALTH CRISES WITH MY WIFE AND MYSELF, UH, THE RETIREMENT HOME THAT WE BUILT FOR OURSELVES, UH, 20 YEARS AGO, WE'RE BEEN HAVING SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, OKAY, WHERE'S LIFE AFTER THIS? AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY KIND OF ACCOMMODATION IN THE, IN THE PLAN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE POST-RETIREMENT STAGE. OKAY. ANY, UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE? JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO WHEN DOES THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD OPEN, SPEAK UP? WHEN DOES THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD OPEN FOR THE DRAFT REVIEW? IT'S THE END OF THE MONTH. RIGHT? THE DRAFT. YEAH. LIKE SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS IN A SIMILAR SENSE? IT'S MAY. OKAY. YEAH. COOL. YEAH. SO, SO THERE IS A PHASE FOR DEDICATED PUBLIC? THERE HAS BEEN DRUG, YEAH. GOT GOT IT. THINGS THROUGHOUT THE, YEP. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL AND WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.