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SEEMS LIKE SWAG HAVING ISSUES.SO, OH, YOU CAN HEAR US GOOD? YOU HEAR US? OKAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS A PROBLEM SOLVED, BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT JUST MEANS, I DUNNO, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON SWAG.
YOU WANT, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC SIDE? YEAH.
WE STILL, WE'RE STILL ON? YES, YOU ARE.
[b. Present and discuss the current draft of the Unified Development Code (UDC).]
AND WE'LL RECONVENE.WE HAVE OUR TECHNOLOGY ISSUES ADDRESSED APPARENTLY.
SO WE'LL MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER THREE B, PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UGC.
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THAT'LL BE LESLIE.I'M DIRECTOR INVOLVEMENT ING SERVICES.
UM, SO AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, END OF FEBRUARY, WE HERE, UH, WE, UH, BROUGHT FORWARD A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE UBC AND REINTRODUCING TO THE PROJECT.
THIS, WE'VE BEEN, UM, WORKING ON OUR END FOR A BIT AND GOT SOME CHOCOLATE AIR IS DIRECTION BETTER? UH, I GUESS, WELL, NO, NO.
I HAVE TO MOVE DOWN HERE IF THAT'S, IS THAT ANY BETTER? DARREN? YOU GOOD? OKAY.
UH, LET ME KNOW IF I NEED TO
AND SO BRINGING BACK THOSE TOPIC AREAS TO, UH, REVISIT.
WE HAVE, UM, STAFF TEAMS AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS WHO HELPED CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROJECT, INCLUDING OUR CONSULTANT INDUSTRY.
SO REALLY WANT A FIELD QUESTIONS AND, UM, MAKE SURE YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, UH, JUST A QUICK REFRESHER.
WE DID, UH, WORK WITH ION ASSOCIATES ON THIS PROJECT AND ALSO, UH, INCLUDE VARIOUS TOWN STAFF AS WELL AS THE UVC ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, THAT, UH, WORKED TO COMPARE THE DOCUMENT WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
UM, AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY INCLUDES PHASE FOUR OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS THE ADOPTION PHASE.
THIS DID GET, UH, APPROVAL BY THE LIVING ZONING COMMISSION LAST MONTH.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE REVIEWING THE, UH, PRESENT ADOPTION DRAFT.
SO WE'RE ON WORK SESSION NUMBER TWO AS THE, UH, TIMELINE IS OUTLINED IN ANTICIPATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MARCH 25TH, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, QUICK OVERVIEW, AGAIN, THE BC IS BROKEN UP INTO SEVEN DIFFERENT ARTICLES.
UM, AND SO TODAY BASED UPON FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, UH, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE FOCUSING IN ON THREE DIFFERENT ARTICLES, UM, INCLUDING, UH, ARTICLE ONE TWO AND SPENDING QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS A LOT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO, STARTING OFF, UM, WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO THIS WAS A REQUESTED TOPIC FROM LAST WEEK.
UM, JUST TOUCHING BASE ON WHAT THIS SAYS.
SO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SECTION, UH, LIVES WITHIN, UM, SECTION 1.7.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS SECTION REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH THE ENTIRETY OF DEBC.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THAT, SPECIFICALLY IN NON-CONFORMITY.
SO, WHICH IS SECTION 1.6, UH, WHICH WE CAN ALSO, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AS WELL THIS EVENING.
AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES, SO THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO TODAY.
SO OUR ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES TODAY INCLUDE PROVIDING NOTICE OF VIOLATION, GENERALLY 10 DAYS OF COMPLIANCE.
THEN WE WORK WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM TO MAKE SURE IT GETS BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANT WHERE ACTION TAKEN.
SO THAT PROCESS IS, UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DO TODAY.
IT WILL BE ADOPTED WITH IN THE UPC, UM, THAT INCLUDES ANY STANDARD.
SO WHETHER IT'S SIGNS, LANDSCAPING OR OTHERWISE.
I ALSO NOTE, WHICH ONCE AGAIN, THIS EXISTS TODAY, THAT THERE'S ALWAYS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ESCALATE A PROBLEM IF IT'S, UH, POSSIBLE THAT IT PRESENTS A, YOU KNOW, DANGER TO THE PUBLIC POLICY SAFETY TO WELFARE.
UM, AND THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY WARRANT, UM, MORE URGENT ACTION TO BE TAKEN.
UM, THE PENALTIES FOR NON-COMPLIANCE ARE OUTLINED, WHICH COULD INCLUDE, UM, FINES.
IT COULD INCLUDE ABATEMENT BY THE TOWN, AND THEN FINES ON TOP OF THAT, UH, REVOCATION PERMIT, WHICH COULD INCLUDE A REVOKING, A CERTIFICATE OCCUPANCY FOR BUSINESS, UM, OR STOP WORK ORDERS.
SO, UH, THE NEXT TOPIC WILL BE THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT PROCESS.
UH, THIS CAME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT HOW DO WE AMEND THIS CODE POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE, UH, IF DESIRE ONCE THE UDC IS ADOPTED AND IMPLEMENTED.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT ARTICLE TWO, UM, WITHIN THE SUMMARY TABLE OF REVIEW PROCEDURES, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROVISION THAT OUTLINES A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT CAN BE BROUGHT FORWARD AT ANY POINT.
UM, AND THERE IS A PROCESS OUTLINED WITHIN THE CODE TO AMEND THAT.
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TYPICAL ZONING PROCESS.SO, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO AMEND CHANGE OR SUPPLEMENT DVC, UM, IN ANY WAY THAT'S NEEDED.
THE, UM, THIS PROCESS IS NOT INTENDED TO AUTHORIZE A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD A PROJECT THAT NEEDED, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED BY RIGHT, BUT WE NEEDED TO AMEND THE BUILDING HIGH STANDARD AS AN EXAMPLE.
IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE AVENUE TO COME FORWARD WITH A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO AMEND THAT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT ALLOWED YOU WOULD WANT TO PURSUE A DIFFERENT AVENUE, POTENTIALLY VARIANCE OR, OR OTHERWISE IF MET IT, MET THAT CRITERIA.
ADDITIONALLY, A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT CAN BE BROUGHT FORWARD AT ANY TIME BY STAFF OR REQUESTED FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE PERIODICALLY, AS NEEDED AS BOTH MARKET CONDITIONS CHANGE AND AS, UM, THE NEEDS AND GOALS OF OF COUNCIL OF ALL.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, SO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE'LL SEE THAT IT DOES REQUIRE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE FIRST, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND THE SECOND AT CITY COUNCIL, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD SEE A ZONING CASE.
IT ALSO REQUIRES, UH, PUBLIC NOTICE, UH, FOR STATE LAW.
SO THAT INCLUDES ALL AFFECTED PROPERTIES PLUS THOSE WITHIN 200 FEET OF ALL AFFECTED PROPERTIES WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS.
SO JUST, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT.
SO THIS IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED IN THE UDC.
UM, SO REALLY LOOKING AT IS IT CONSISTENT WITH OUR LONG RATES PLANNING DOCUMENTS? DOES IT CONFLICT WITH OTHER PROVISIONS OF THE UDC? UM, IS IT NECESSARY FOR COMMUNITY NEEDS? MM-HMM
DOES IT RESPOND TO ANY CONDITIONS OR POTENTIALLY TO CORRECT AN ADMISSION OR ERROR AND GENERALLY MEET THE INTENT.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT STAFF WILL, VIA A STAFF REPORT BRING FORWARD AND EVALUATE IF THERE'S EVER A ZONING TYPES AMENDMENT IN THE FUTURE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER CODE ENFORCEMENT OR ZONING TEXT PROCESSES? ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA KEEP CHECKING ALONG.
AND SO, UH, MOVING ON TO ARTICLE THREE, ACCESS AND CIRCULATION.
THIS IS A NEW SECTION THAT WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE IN OUR, UH, ANY OF OUR CODES.
SO THIS IS, UH, NEWLY INTRODUCED IN THE UDC.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS SECTION IS REALLY TO PROMOTE MULTIMODAL, UM, TRAVEL OPPORTUNITIES IN ADDISON.
UH, WE ALREADY DO A LOT OF THAT ON THE PUBLIC SIDE THROUGH OUR, UH, VARIOUS LONG RANGE PLANS.
HOWEVER, UH, WE HAVE NOT, UM, WE'VE INCORPORATED WHEN POSSIBLE ON THE, THE PRIVATE SIDE, UH, BUT WE WANNA TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT WITHIN A EBC.
SO THIS IS REALLY, UH, FOCUSED ON IMPLEMENTING VARIOUS MULTIMODAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRANSPORTATION PER OUR LONG RANGE PLAN, SUCH AS THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN, THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, SO FORTH.
UM, REALLY, UH, THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO INCREASE INTERIOR INTERNAL CIRCULATION AND CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.
UM, THAT WOULD HELP US PREVENT ADDITIONAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND, AND
DOES THE UC ADDRESS, UM, LIKE RACKS OR IT DOES, IT'S IN THE, UH, SO BICYCLE PARKING IS A REQUIREMENT.
IT'S A REQUIREMENT, AND IT IS IN THE PARKING SECTION, NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION.
UH, THE UVC DOES REQUIRE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF BOTH THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR AND BOTH THE STREETS WITHIN AND ADDISON.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, SORRY, I'M FOLLOWING ALL THE, THE SECTIONS WITHIN THERE.
SO IT ALSO HAS STANDARDS FOR SIDEWALKS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IT WANTS TO DISTINGUISH A CROSSWALK FROM A REGULAR DRIVE AISLE TO MAKE, TO INHERENTLY MAKE SURE THE PEDESTRIAN UNDERSTANDS WHERE IT'S SAFE TO CROSS AND WALK.
SO THOSE STANDARDS ARE ALSO INTRODUCED.
IT ALSO REQUIRES A FIVE FOOT, A MINIMUM OF FOOT SIDEWALK.
SO REALLY FOCUSING ON THE KIND OF STYLE OF WHAT'S EXPECTED AS WELL AS THE DESIGN RELATED TO THE CIRCULATION.
SO, UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS RELATED TO CIRCULATION THAT ARE INTRODUCED.
IT DOES REQUIRE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AREAS WITHIN PARKING AREAS WHEN THERE'S MORE THAN THREE BAYS OF PARKING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU, THIS IMAGE HERE, YOU CUT IT IN HALF, YOU SEE THAT THERE'S THREE ROWS OF PARKING AND THEY INTRODUCED A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH THE PARKING LOT TO PROVIDE A REFUGE FOR PEDESTRIANS TO SAFELY CROSS THROUGH THE PARKING LOT WITHOUT, UM, INTERFERENCE WITH, UM, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
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IT ALSO, UM, PROVIDES STANDARDS FOR PARKING GARAGES AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, PEDESTRIANS, IF THIS, THE UDC DOES REQUIRE A SEPARATE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FOR PARKING GARAGE, IT CANNOT BE A SHARED ACCESS THAT AT BOTH BE VEHICLE AND A PEDESTRIAN THAT ENTERED PARKING GARAGE ONCE AGAIN, TRYING TO ALLEVIATE ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICTS.
UM, AND ALSO IT MENTIONS THAT BICYCLE CIRCULATION IMPROVEMENT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED WHEN THEY'RE IDENTIFIED IN OUR LONG RANGE OF PLANTS.
JUST LIKE, UM, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE THIRD BULLET HAVING TO DO WITH, UM, CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN PROPERTIES INCLUDING VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN MM-HMM
WHERE DO YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT, SAY, IN AND WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE OPERATING PROPERTIES? DO YOU HAVE ANY OPPOR ANY OPPORTUNITIES BEFORE ONE OF 'EM, BOTH OF 'EM COME UP FOR REDEVELOPMENT? UM, POSSIBLY.
SO, SO, UH, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A COUPLE OF THESE OFF THE TOP OF MY, FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS ON LIKE PAD SITES THAT ARE ALONG BELTLINE ROAD THAT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENTING WIDER SIDEWALKS OR A, A BETTER PEDESTRIAN AREA ON BELTLINE, THERE'S NOT ONLY, UM, SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE, THE WIDTH THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DRIVEWAY ACCESS POINTS EVERY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED, 150 FEET THAT CREATE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL CONFLICT.
SO THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, WHERE I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWN PARTNERS WITH THOSE, THOSE PRIVATE BUSINESSES OR THROUGH REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS WHERE WE COULD CREATE ACROSS ACCESS ALONG THE FRONT OF THOSE AND HAVE A SHARED COMMON ACCESS, UM, AT A SINGLE POINT.
SO THEN YOU INHERENTLY CREATE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR PEDESTRIAN REALM AT A GREATER LENGTH.
SO IT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE THAT COULD, COULD, COULD OCCUR.
I'LL ALSO ADD THAT IT COULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDING TOO.
OH, THAT'S CROSS ACCESS COULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDING.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT.
UM, MOVE ON TO PARKING REGULATIONS.
UH, SO OVERALL, UM, THE PARKING STANDARDS WE DID, UH, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF, OF RATIOS PROVIDED BECAUSE WE INTRODUCED A LOT MORE, UH, LAND USES WITHIN THE CODE THAT WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY THERE.
HOWEVER, OVERALL, WE GENERALLY DECREASE THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, RESTAURANTS TODAY REQUIRE ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 70 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE A, B, C, THEY REQUIRE ONE FOR 100 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE'RE, UH, DECREASING THE OVERALL REQUIREMENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, AND TO HELP OFFSET THAT, WE'VE ESTABLISHED SEVERAL ALTERNATIVE PARKING ALLOWANCES, WHICH WILL GO INTO DETAIL IN A MOMENT THAT HELP DWINDLE THAT NUMBER IF DESIRED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, SOME NEW STANDARDS THAT WERE INTRODUCED, UH, INCLUDE MINIMUM DIMENSIONAL AND SURFACING STANDARDS FOR PARKING SPACES AND AISLES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IT IDENTIFIES THE MINIMUM SIZE OF A PARKING SPACE IF YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, 90 DEGREE OR ANGLE PARKING, WHAT THE CORRESPONDING DRIVE AISLE NEEDS TO BE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE AND
UM, THOSE ARE, UH, NOW INCORPORATED IN THIS, UH, EDC.
THERE'S ALSO STANDARDS FOR STRUCTURED PARKING.
SO IT ACTUALLY, UH, PROVIDES SETBACKS AND SO FORTH.
DESIGN STANDARDS FOR A STRUCTURED PARKING, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY DESIGN STANDARD, BUT SCREENING STANDARDS FOR A PARKING GARAGE.
AND ALSO ESTABLISHES USE ALLOWANCES FOR PARKING AREAS, OR I SHOULD SAY USED STANDARDS, WHICH WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE.
SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, PARKING AREAS IN ADDISON THAT TEND TO BE UNDERUTILIZED AND SO TEND TO BE MAYBE LEASED OUT OR HAVE A FRIEND, YOU KNOW, STORE THEIR BOAT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.
AND SO THIS SECTION ACTUALLY PROHIBITS, UM, USED PARKING ARE BEING USED FOR STORAGE, WHETHER IT'S FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES OR OTHERWISE.
SO THIS WOULD BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING AREAS ARE NOT USED FOR STORAGE QUESTION ON PARKING REGULATIONS.
CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT CONVERSATION LIKE WHILE YOU ARE REDUCING THE MID MONTHS? SURE.
ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE A RESTAURANT.
SO OVERALL, UM, THE, THE THOUGHT BEHIND UM, MANY OF OUR LONG RANGE PLANS PLANS IS TO INCREASE WALKABILITY AND CONNECTIVITY AND PROVIDE MULTI MOBILE OPPORTUNITIES.
SO, UM, I THINK OVERALL WE WANT TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE THOSE AND MAYBE OFFSETTING THE COST BY DECREASING PARKING, UM, OR JUST INTRODUCE THEM IN GENERAL.
SO WE'RE SEEING THAT IN NOT ALL CASES, BUT SOME CASES WE HAVE, UM, SURPLUS PARKING AND IT INHIBITS
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A, A BUSINESS FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO ENTER AND BEING ADDED TO ADDISON AS A, AN ADDISON BASED BUSINESS.SO BY DOING THAT, WE'RE ALLOWING THE MARKET TO RIGHT SIZE AS NEEDED.
IF I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PARKING CHRIS'S QUESTION, I THINK, UM, AS I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, SO FORGIVE ME TO ALLOW THE, UM, RESOLUTION.
SO IN MOST CASES, UH, IT'S BEEN YOU EITHER NEED TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE, UH, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE, UM, BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT TO GET VARIANCE FOR THAT.
WE HAVEN'T USED THAT AS COMMONLY, OR WE'VE DONE IT FOR A PD OR AN SP SCENARIO AND WE'VE HAD TO, UM, PREVENT OTHER AVENUES.
SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE THAT UM, ALWAYS COMES TO MIND IS THE, UH, TOASTED YOKE CENTER.
IT HAS EFFECTS A RETAIL STORE IN A MORE OF AN EVENING LUNCH RESTAURANT WAS ADDISON POINT.
AND, UM, THEN SO
IT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL ACTUALLY.
AND UH, WITH THAT PARTICULAR SCENARIO IT WORKED OUT WELL BECAUSE YOU HAVE VARIOUS USES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT PEAK HOURS AND IN THAT, IN THAT SENSE, THEY'RE COMPLIMENTARY TO EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF HAVING A SHARED PARKING SCENARIO.
UM, HOWEVER, IF WE WERE TO FULLY ENFORCE THE CODE, I THINK THEY ARE IN THE BALLPARK OF HAVING 35 PARKING SPACES SHORT.
AND SO WE WOULD THEN HAVE NOT HAVE TO STUDIO IN THAT SCENARIO 'CAUSE THEY WERE THE LAST BUSINESS TO COME IN.
UM, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, A POLICY DISCUSSION OF HOW, HOW TO HANDLE THOSE, THOSE SCENARIOS.
AND IN THAT CASE, THE SUP WASN'T APPROVED AND IT WAS SUPPORTED AND I THINK IS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL THAT THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE MAKING COMMON SENSE DECISIONS ON THOSE THINGS MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU USE YOUR JUDGMENT AND, AND SEE WHAT WORKS AND, AND TO ME THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THEY HAVE ALL OFF PEAK HOURS AND SO IT WORKS OUT.
WE ACTUALLY, UM, KNOW, AND JEFF HAD, I THINK WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER, ANOTHER SCENARIO THAT WE, WE'VE INTRODUCED, UM, TO HELP POTENTIALLY, UM, TO, TO PROVIDE THAT AVENUE AND OUTLINE THE CODE FOR DEVELOPERS WHO, WHO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO STAFF AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS AN OPTION.
I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
UM, I THINK IN YOUR EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD EXAMPLES WHERE YOU HAD A CENTER THAT WAS OVER PARKED AND WE ALLOW THEM, THE OWNER TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP A PAD SITE, WHICH IS GREAT.
I, I THINK ABOUT KROGER SELLING GAS, I THINK ABOUT, UH, TOM THUMB WITH THE DUTCH BROS.
RIGHT? I, SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DO THINK THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WHEN YOU REDUCE THE, THE PARK REQUIREMENT, THEY WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
I THINK ONCE THEY GET SOMEONE OWNER HOOK AND SIGN A LEASE, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF ANY OTHER, UH, TENANTS.
AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS YOU HAVE A, UM, PROPERTY OWNER THAT PUTS MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS IN THE CENTER, UM, AND WHAT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS IT'S A, IT THE, THE PARKING'S IN WORK.
AND RATHER THAN GET IN ONE RESTAURANT THAT'S, THAT WORKS FOR A TOWN, YOU GET NO RESTAURANTS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SO CAR DEPENDENT STILL.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING RIGHT, BUT I I I DO FEEL LIKE THAT COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE REQUIREMENT.
NO, I, I, A COMMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, IT'S JUST A COMMENT.
AND SO IF, IF WE WERE TO PUSH BACK OR I WAS TO PUSH BACK ON THAT, WHEN DO YOU WANT THAT FEEDBACK NOW FOR, UH, THE CONVEYOR ONE TO STILL OPEN? YOU'RE ALSO, I'D ALSO BE HAPPY TO, UM, DO LIKE,
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PROVIDE YOU A MORE, UH, SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO, SO YOU CAN MAYBE LOOK AT IT SIDE BY SIDE AND GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.I, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST SAY GENERALLY FOR COUNCIL, I, IF WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THINGS TODAY, IT'S GONNA MAKE THE WHOLE PROCESS GO MORE SMOOTHLY.
SO IF THIS IS A CONVERSATION COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE AND GIVE US SOME DIRECTION, CERTAINLY WE COULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES SO THAT THEY'RE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION NOW YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION AND TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
BUT IF THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT COULD BE FRUITFUL AND WE COULD GET SOME DIRECTION THAT'S GONNA HELP US GET THE PROCESS GONNA GO ON.
SO FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE PER 101 PER PER 70.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE, BUT I DO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO WE HAD ASPEN WALK, THOSE GUYS CAME IN REDEVELOPED THAT THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB.
UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THEY WERE A VICTIM OF THEIR OWN SUCCESS BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL TENANTS GO DARK BECAUSE THE PARKING JUST DIDN'T ORDER.
SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.
WHEN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DQ DECREASING SOME OF, THERE'S PARKING APARTMENTS, I MEAN, I GET IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO COME IN AND HAVE TO SPEND FOUR OR $5 MILLION ON STRUCTURED PARKING TO GET THEIR I IDEA TO WORK.
BUT, UM, I, I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN WHEN START USING PARKING RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND LESLIE, ISN'T THAT A FAIRLY COMMON TREND THESE DAYS IN CITIES THAT, THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LOWERING PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND SOME ARE EVEN COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY WITH THEM.
IS THAT RIGHT? NO, I HOPE I, YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENING.
AND, AND I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS YOU DO ON THAT, CHRIS, UH, THAT YOU DON'T WANT, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY THAT'S HUGELY SUCCESSFUL, THAT'S GREAT FOR THEM, BUT THE OTHERS, YOU DON'T SUFFER AT THEIR, AT THEIR COST, AT THEIR EXPENSE, YOU KNOW? BUT SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS FOR IT.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY THAT THERE'S A LESS DEMAND FOR, FOR CARS, THOUGH I DON'T SEE IT, UH, THAT MUCH YET.
I THINK, I THINK SOME OF THE, AS FAR AS THE GLOBAL CONVERSATION HAS BEEN KIND OF A, A SWING BACK FROM WHAT IT WAS.
I THINK SOME OF THE PERCEPTION WAS THAT WE WENT TO AN EXTREME AS, AS A, AS A COUNTRY.
WHERE WE HAD, SO WE OVER PARKED SO MUCH.
AND SOME OF IT IS TRYING TO GO BACK TO THAT AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA RELY ON THE, ON THE MARKET.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY IT'S A REASON NOT TO DO OR TO DO THIS, BUT THE GLOBAL CONVERSATION, IT WAS KIND OF, I THINK HOPEFULLY WE CAN SAY WE WENT TO AN EXTREME WHERE WE, WE ARE OVER PARKED AS A COUNTRY IN A LOT OF PLACES.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ADDISON AND WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR US, BUT THAT'S JUST MORE OF A GLOBAL CONVERSATION.
AND, AND THAT, THAT ALSO AFFECTS OUR COMPETITIVENESS IN THE MARKETPLACE TOO.
IF, IF, IF, IF SOMEBODY'S LOOKING FOR A LOCATION FOR THEIR BUSINESS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WHATEVER OURS IS, AND THEY, BUT THEY CAN GO DOWN THE ROAD AND IT'S, IT'S LESS, UH, LESS, IT'S A LOWER PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THEM, WHICH MEANS IT COSTS THEM LESS MONEY TO DO AND THEY'VE GOT MORE ROOM TO DO THEIR, THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, DOES THAT GIVE US, PUT US AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE? SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO CONSIDER WITH THAT BESIDES JUST THE CONVENIENCE OF THE PARKING AND, AND, AND, AND I KNOW A LOT OF IT, THE MARKETPLACE WILL TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF IT, BUT IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESTAURANTS, THAT'S A RISKY BUSINESS ANYWAY, AS WE ALL KNOW.
JUST ASK THE QUESTION, THE BIGGER PICTURE.
NO, I, I THINK IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DO HA YOU RUN THE RISK THAT NOT EVERYTHING IN THAT CENTER WILL WORK ANYMORE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL DRIVE BY AND SAY, MAN, IF I, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD ONLY PARK THERE, I'D, I'D GO TO THAT RESTAURANT.
UM, WHICH SOMETIMES PROBABLY HAPPENS THE ABILITY ON THE PARKWAY.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I, YOU PROBABLY COULD GET CREATIVE AND SOME OF THOSE CENTERS LIKE ADDISON WALK, I THINK THEY DID THAT FOR A WHILE.
THEY, THEY WORKED ON VALET PARKING AND PUT THE VALET PARKING BACK THAT MADE MORE SPACES AVAILABLE.
UM, I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE BETWEEN 1% AND NUMBER A HUNDRED, BUT YEAH, SO LIKE A, ON A, LIKE A 6,000 SQUARE OF RESTAURANT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR CURRENT STANDARD, WE REQUIRE 85 SPACES AND THE PROPOSED WOULD BE 60.
BUT THEN, SORRY, I'M KIND OF THINKING THROUGH THIS.
SO IF THIS GRANT, THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY BE IN REDEVELOPMENT, WE'RE KIND OF RECLAIMING SOME OF THOSE
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PARKING SPACES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE HAVING PROMINENT BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS FOR CYCLISTS OR OTHERWISE.SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ASKING, SEEING A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE, UM, IF THEY IMPLEMENTED, UH, A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF PARKING AREA.
SO WE'RE KIND CLAIMING SOME OF THAT.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT FOR PARKING, BUT YOU NEED TO PROVIDE REFUGE FOR OUR PEDESTRIANS, WHICH I THINK ULTIMATELY SUPPORTS SOME OF THE OTHER GOALS THAT WE'RE BROADLY TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE REDUCING APARTMENT REQUIREMENTS, WE COULD JUST PUT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE PIECE OF DIRT.
IT IS, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE FRIENDLY.
MAYBE INVITE PEOPLE TO WALK OR MAYBE INVITE PEOPLE TO BIKE.
YEAH, THAT AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO A, AN DYNAMIC, YOU KNOW, IF WE BUILD IT, PEOPLE WILL COME, BUT ALSO IF YOU MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO USE OTHER LOADS OF TRANSPORTATION, THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT USE THAT AS WELL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON, ON HOW TO INTRODUCE MULTILEVEL.
SO THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
SO, SO WE CAN BE MORE OPEN, MORE AGGRESSIVE, WIDER REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO MOVING ON TO SOME, A NEW REGULATIONS ARE AROUND SOME THAT ARE INTRODUCED IN THE PARKING SECTION THAT WE, UH, DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY.
UH, SO WE ARE INTRODUCING A EV CHARGING STATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO FOR RETAIL CENTERS OR OTHER, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE A GREATER THAN, UH, 40 PARKING SPACES, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S ONE PER 21 EV CHARGING STATION PER 25 SPACES PROVIDED.
UM, AND INTRODUCING THAT, UM, WE ALSO ADDED A DRY FOOD FACILITY STAFFING REQUIREMENTS FOR DIFFERENT USES.
WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT.
UM, MAXIMUM, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE ALSO, UH, PROPOSED.
SO THAT INCLUDES 125% OF THE MINIMUM THAT CAN BE INSTALLED.
THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS THAT, UM, COUNCIL COULD GRANT TO IN TO GO BEYOND THAT MAXIMUM.
UM, JUST NOTE THAT THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UH, APPLY TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS OF ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE SOMEONE REMOVE THE PARKING THAT EXISTS TODAY, UM, IF ADOPTED.
AND THEN TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE PARKING ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU WERE BRIEFLY MENTIONED.
SO THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT ARE INTRODUCED.
UH, THAT INCLUDES A SHARED PARKING FACILITY, PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT, ON STREET PARKING, AND A PARKING UNION STUDY.
UH, SO FOR, UM, A SHARED PARKING FACILITY, THIS WOULD ALLOW TWO PROPERTY OWNERS WITH COMPATIBLE USES WITH VARYING PEAK TIMES, UM, TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO LEGALLY THROUGH AN EASEMENT OR OTHER REPORT DOCUMENT, UM, HAVE A SHARED PARKING FACILITY AND IT WOULD BE BINDING BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUSINESSES IF THE BUSINESSES CHANGE, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME RENEGOTIATION OF THAT.
UM, THIS COULD INITIALLY HELP CUT BACK ON PARKING.
WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE, UM, PROPOSE, UM, IT, IT, UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL, BUT A, THEY WANTED TO WORK WITH AN OFFICE, UM, AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING IN THEIR GARAGE AND PARTNER WITH THEM TO USE THE GARAGE IN THE EVENING.
UM, SO THEY WOULD, WHEN THEY WERE AN EVENING BASED BUSINESS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A BUNCH OF PARKING, WE CAN USE AN EXISTING FACILITY.
IT ALSO HELPS OUT THE OFFICE TENANT AS WELL.
SO THAT COULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE A SHARED PARKING FACILITY MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
THERE'S ALSO THE, UM, REDUCTION DUE TO PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT.
SO IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED, THIS INCLUDES A 20% PRODUCTION OF THE PARKING STANDARD.
IF YOU WERE WITHIN A QUARTER A MILE OF A COMMUTE OR A LIGHT RAIL STOP AND ADDISON, THAT WOULD BE IN THE SILVER LINE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS.
UM, AND WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON POTENTIALLY INCREASING THAT BOUNDARY TO HALF A MILE.
UM, WE DID PREPARE A, I'M GONNA JUMP AHEAD FOR A MOMENT.
WE DID PREPARE A MAP THAT SHOWS THE INNER, UM,
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DOT, UH, THE DARKER BLUE OR I GUESS MORE ABSOLUTE SHOWS A QUARTER MILE, AND THEN THE BROADER, UM, DOT SHOWS THE HALF A MILE BOUNDARY.UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF INCREASING THAT, UM, THAT'S A, A CONVERSATION THAT, UM, WANTED TO PROPOSE, UH, TO YOU ALL TO THIS EVENING.
UH, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AT THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.
UM, THEY SUPPORTED, UH, MAINTAINING THE QUARTER MILE.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE HAD SOME, UH, PUBLIC INPUT RELATED TO THIS CALL FROM WHERE DID THE PUBLIC INPUT COME FROM? FROM RESIDENCE OR BUSINESSES? FROM FROM RESIDENCE.
THAT IS THE, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
IS IT, IS IT, IS IT ONE SPOT PER DOOR OR IT ONE SPOT PER BED BEDROOM? SO IT'S GENERALLY, UH, ONE SPACE PER, SO IT'S ONE SPACE PER, UM, BEDROOM AND THEN, OR EXCUSE ME, PER UNIT.
AND THEN IT INCREASES SLIGHTLY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S ONE AND A HALF PER SPACES PER TWO BEDROOM, AND THEN TWO AND A HALF PER TWO BEDROOM.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT IS NOT A ONE-TO-ONE, BUT IT, IT STARTS AT A ONE-TO-ONE AND THEN THAT INCREASES SLIGHTLY
SO, UH, THE, THE COMMENTS SHARED FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE IS THAT, UM, WE'RE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF INTRODUCING THIS REGULATION.
HOWEVER, UH, WE FEEL IT'S, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE EARLY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SILVER LINE'S NOT UP AND, UM, IT'S NOT OPERATIONAL YET.
UM, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF, OF WORK AND DEVELOPMENT UNDERWAY IN THE DOP AND, UM, MAKING THOSE, UM, OTHER LAST MILE CONNECTIONS, INCLUDING OTHER PEDESTRIAN AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO IN, IN OUR EYES WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, BY EXPANDING TO THE QUARTER MILE, OR EXCUSE ME, TO THE HALF A MILE FROM THE QUARTER MILE, UH, WE'RE NOT QUITE PROVIDING THE, UM, LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY NEEDED TO OFFSET THE PARKING DEMAND AT THIS TIME.
UM, FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT UH, COULD EASILY BE REEVALUATED IN A COUPLE YEARS AFTER WE SEE, UH, THE SILVER LINE COME ONLINE AND SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL REDEVELOPMENT RE THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD ADVICE.
YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME TOO, JUST TO PHASE IT IN, SEE HOW IT WORKS.
FIRST IS THE, IS THE VELOCITY BEHIND IT THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE RIDING THE RAIL AND THEN WALKING TO THE RESTAURANT SO THAT IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FAMILY PARKING? IS THAT WHY? UH, ESSENTIALLY, SO THE IDEA IS THAT, UM, WHETHER IT'S, UM, A BUSINESS OR RESIDENCE OR ANY USE WITHIN THAT, UM, PROXIMITY, THEY WOULD HAVE AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A 20% PARKING REDUCTION, UM, ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THE INTENT IS, IS THAT SOME OF THEIR PARKING DEMAND WOULD BE OFFSET BY PUBLIC TRANSIT OR OTHER, OTHER MULTIMODAL OPPORTUNITIES.
SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT IT AS IF THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE, IF IF WE'RE ALREADY GONNA REDUCE THE PARKING FROM ONE 70 TO ONE FROM 100, THAT I'M THINKING THAT PEOPLE COME BY RAILS GOING TO JUST ADD TO THEIR, THEIR NUMBER OF GUESTS COMING AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING BY THE CAR ARE STILL GONNA COME CAR.
I MEAN, I GET WHY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I AM GLAD YOU'RE HOLDING OFF FOR THE RAIL BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN AUSTIN AND NOW I'M WONDERING IF AND WHEN THAT SILVER ONE'S ACTUALLY GONNA GET HERE.
BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T SEE IT AS CUTTING DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DRIVING.
I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PATRONIZING THESE BUSINESSES.
I'LL SUPPORT THIS, BUT MY CONCERN IS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, THAT'S 40, 50, 60 PARKING SPOTS.
AND I STILL THINK IF YOU LIVE NEAR LIGHT RAIL, YOU'LL TAKE IT TO WORK, BUT YOU'RE STILL HAVING VEHICLE, UM, LIKE I SAID, I'LL SUPPORT, BUT I WOULDN'T SEE HOW IT OR PEOPLE WOULD EXTENDED OR ANYTHING.
AND, UM, I'LL ADD THE, SO THE, UM, NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON
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A TEUM, AND SO THEY ACTUALLY STUDY, UM, I BELIEVE ITS NINE DIFFERENT SITES IN ADDISON.
THEY STUDIED THE PARKING GARAGES AND FOUND THEM TO BE SEVERELY UNDERUTILIZED.
WE ARE STILL, ACTUALLY, WE'RE STILL REVIEWING, THEY SENT US BACK FOR PRELIMINARY RESULTS LAST WEEK.
UM, SO WE'RE STILL REVIEWING IT AND THEN WE'LL BE PUBLISHED AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT.
UM, BUT IT IS SHOWING, UM, THAT WE SHOULD BE PROBABLY PUSHING TO THE BOARD.
WHAT LOOK, GARAGE BOARD WAS THE ONES ATTACHED TO THE OFFICE GALLERY THAT PROBABLY WERE OCCUPIED? NO, SO THEY WERE MOSTLY
SO, UM, ANN ANDERSON WAS ONE OF THEM.
THEY DID THE MAA PORTLAND, UM, THEY DID INCLUDE OFFICE, BUT IT WAS A MIXTURE.
THEY WANTED TO GET ALL THE VISAS IN TERMS OF OFFICE MULTIFAMILY, UM, AS WELL AS, UH,
SO THEY, AND THEY DID NOT JUST STUDY ABSENT, THEY STUDIED ALL TDS ACROSS FEES OVERNIGHT.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THOUGH IS THAT WE EACH NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE'S A, A PERCEPTION OUT THERE IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, UM, IF YOU GO TO ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT, UM, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK.
AND PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES TO PARK.
SO IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT WHERE THE PARKING IS AND THAT THERE IS PARKING AVAILABLE, THAT'S NOT FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT I GUESS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
THAT JANICE TEAM IS, IS LEADING AND WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS AS WELL.
UM, SO JUST CIRCLING BACK ON SOME OTHER PARKING ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE INCLUDED, UM, ON STREET PARKING THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE COUNTED, THERE ARE MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR THAT, UM, WHICH IN ORDER TO BE COUNTED AND THEN TOWARDS YOUR, YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENT AND THEN ALSO A PARKING DEMAND STUDY COULD BE SUBMITTED TO EITHER INCREASE OR DECREASE, UM, BASED UPON ON YOUR PROPOSAL.
SO PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE AVENUES FOR, UM, THOSE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE, UM, BUSINESS OR PROPERTY OWNERS TO, TO RIGHT SIZE AS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT
I THINK, UM, THAT COULD REALLY HELP FACILITATE GROWTH THAT WE WANT AROUND THE TOD.
ALRIGHT, SO NEXT I'M GONNA JUMP INTO, UH, LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS.
THIS ALSO LIVES IN OUR I THREE.
SO A LOT OF OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, MANY OF THEM ARE CARRIED FORWARD FROM OUR EXISTING DISTRICT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE THE URBAN CENTER DISTRICT, WHICH THAT'S THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT PEOPLE CALL THE, AS SORT OF DISTRICT, IT KIND OF SERVES, UH, TWO DIFFERENT NAMES.
AND THEN, SO A LOT OF THOSE WERE PULLED FORWARD IN TERMS OF OUR URBAN STANDARD, WHAT GO ON THE URBAN STREET SCAPE TO LOOK LIKE FROM STREET TREES, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE FENCES AROUND THE, THE TREE WELLS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE THE BELT LINE, UM, DISTRICT, WHICH IS MORE OF A CORE BASED CODE.
SO SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS PULLED FORWARD.
WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE PROJECT THAT WAS BUILT TO THAT, THAT'S THE ASBURY CIRCLE TOWN PROJECT.
UM, SO LOOKING AT SOME OF OUR MORE URBAN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, A LOT OF THOSE STANDARDS FROM THOSE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS, THAT'S WHAT WAS PULLED FORWARD AND INTRODUCED MORE BROADLY FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS AS THE BASE STANDARD.
WE ALSO KEPT, UM, THE MORE SUBURBANS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, UH, LANDSCAPE STANDARDS.
AND THOSE GENERALLY REMAIN CONSISTENT OF WHAT WE HAVE.
SO, UM, WHAT YOU'RE COMMONLY HERE, YOU KNOW, THE 20% OPEN SPACE THAT HAS REMAINED FOR OUR NON RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE NOT MIXED USE.
THE MIXED USE ONES ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT, ARE GONNA BE LOWER 'CAUSE YOU WANT LESS, YOU KNOW, BIG GREEN LAWN OPEN SPACE AND MORE OF A URBAN, UM, OR URBAN SCALE DESIGN LIKE YOU SEE AS CIRCLE.
AND THEN ALSO REQUIRING THESE LIKE, UM, BUFFERING STREET TREES, SO FORTH.
LIKE MOST OF THOSE ARE REMAINING CONSISTENT.
SO, UM, SORRY, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON A MORE URBAN SCALE.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE, UH, THE BUILDINGS PUSHED TO THE FRONT.
YOU HAVE STREET TREES, MAYBE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES AND THIS EXAMPLE, THEY'RE QUITE CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN ON THIS ONE YOU SEE THE MORE SUBURBAN STYLE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC, UM, STREET SCAPE WITH BUFFER, NOT NECESSARILY THE SITE LANDSCAPING.
UM, BUT THIS IS MORE YOUR SUBURBAN PATTERN THAT YOU MIGHT SEE INCLUDING
UM, SO THIS, THE BC HAS ASKED FOR 20 FOOT BUFFER ON THE
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RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN THAT 20 FOOT BUFFER YOU TREES AND OTHER SHERIFF.UH, CAN I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND? YEAH.
SHOW THE, THE PICTURE ON THAT.
SO HOW, HOW DO WE PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING? BECAUSE THERE'S NO STREET TREES AND IF YOU GO OVER TO CHICK-FIL-A, THERE'S NO STREET TREES.
I I UNDERSTAND THE, THE 20% BUFFER, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE? SO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR AREA WAS VERY CHALLENGING.
SO, UM, CHICK-FIL-A HAS SOME STREET TREES.
THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE ORAL AND NOT THE LARGE SHADE TREES THAT WE'RE USED TO ON THE STREET.
THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS A CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
THERE'S A 50 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT THAT HAS MAJOR, UM, MAIN RUNNING THROUGH THERE THAT ARE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, WE ALSO UNDERGROUND A LOT OF D OVERHEAD UTILITIES CREATING MORE CONSTRAINTS MM-HMM
UM, AND SO WE ACTUALLY DO NOT CURRENTLY AND IS PROPOSED FROM UBC TO NOT ALLOW TREES TO BE PLANTED WITHIN EIGHT FEET OF ON CENTER OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BE PLANTING WITH ON TOP OF PUBLIC END INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU HAVE TO BE EIGHT FEET FROM THE CENTER OF THAT UTILITY LINE.
UM, ULTIMATELY DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF UTILITY IT IS, BUT THE WEIGHT OF THE TREE AFTER SO LONG AS WELL AS ROOT SYSTEM POSES A LOT RISK FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN NOW, IT'S, YOU BE 20% BUFFER, BUT ARE WE REQUIRING STREET TREES? YES.
OR ARE WE SAYING WE WANT TO SEE A HUNDRED PERCENT LANDSCAPING AND PUT RE TREES WHEREVER YOU WANT? NO.
SO TODAY AND WITHIN THE UVC IT, IT VARIES SLIGHTLY, BUT GENERALLY THE STANDARD IS YOU HAVE TO HOUSE STREET TREE ONCE EVERY 30 FEET ON CENTER.
HOWEVER, THERE'S GONNA BE EXCEPTION IN THIS CASE, WHICH IS A BIT EXTREME.
THERE WERE, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR STREET STREETS DUE TO
HOWEVER, THEY, THEY HAD A BIT OF RELIEF BECAUSE THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF A CORNER LOT AND SO THEY HAVE TREES, WHICH IS ON THEIR, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE OF THEIR BUILDING.
THERE, WE'LL RUN INTO SOME ISSUES LIKE THIS.
THIS WAS A PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING SITE FOR THE TREES AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUT I MEAN, WOULD YOU EVER GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD SAY, LOOK, WE CAN'T PUT, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PUT STREET TREES, BUT WE'LL DO AN ISLAND IN THE PARKING LOT.
OH, YOU DID? YEAH, THIS ONE, IT WAS A DEVELOPER ISSUE.
SO OUR, OUR UTILITY ACTUALLY RUNS FROM LIKE THE, THE FAR LINE, THE FAR LANE THROUGH TO THEIR, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR FIRE LINE.
I, I ALSO, NO, NO, I BELIEVE I JUST, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT.
I MEAN, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
I HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE THERE, LIKE, AND I HATE FINE, BUT THE STREET TREES REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND UM, WE NEED A BIGGER SLIDE.
IT LOOKS THAT'S PRETTY SIMILAR
YEAH, WE RAN A SIMULATION ON CHICK PLAY.
THEY WERE, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE RELIEF BECAUSE THERE WAS ACTUALLY A VENT IN THE ROAD AND WE WERE SOME SMALL THAT IN, UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES IN THIS CHRIS, WHAT WAS THE OTHER PICTURE OF JUST, UH, A CENTER THAT'S A LITTLE WEST IN THE CHORE TREES IN FRONT OF IT.
AND IT JUST, IT MAKES A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE, I THINK ITSELF.
BUT I FEEL LIKE CONTRAST EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
A COMMENT I'VE HEARD OVER THE YEARS, I, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH IT OR NOT IS, AND EVEN, ESPECIALLY EVEN I THINK DOWN AT THAT END OF BELT LINE IS THAT THE STREET TREES, YOU KNOW, WELL, THEY LOOK GOOD.
THEY OBSCURE THE BUSINESS WHERE PEOPLE, PEOPLE SAY NOBODY KNOWS WE'RE EVEN HERE.
THEY CAN'T SEE MY SIGN, THEY CAN'T SEE THE RESTAURANT, THEY DON'T EVEN, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WE'RE HERE.
SO, SO THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRO AND A CON TO, TO HAVING THOSE OUT THERE TOO.
WELL, AND IN THOSE SITUATIONS I'D BE FINE GIVING THEM A SECOND SIGN, LIKE A MONUMENT SIGN THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET MM-HMM
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WE'VE, WE'VE MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ISSUE WITH THE CHICK-FIL-A MONUMENT SIGN MM-HMMAND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE NICE BIG OLD FROST BANK SIGN MM-HMM
TO BE THE MONUMENT SIGNS MAKE BUT THE MOST SENSE AND, AND HAVE THE TREES.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT SINCE HAVE THAT SAME, UM, ONE PER, UM, SO I'M, I'M GONNA SAY IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE AT.
SO IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THE HOW BELTLINE MEANDERS LIKELY IT JUST, THE, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY KIND OF PUSHED INTO WHERE WE HAVE UTILITIES.
IT WAS KIND OF A UNIQUE SCENARIO.
WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF OF SCENARIOS LIKE THAT.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU MOVE FARTHER EAST, UH, MOST OF OUR UTILITIES ARE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY ON, IN THE ROADWAY OR JUST ON THE EDGE OF, OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, NOT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT WAS MY NEXT POLL QUESTION TOO.
SO, UM, NEW TREES WILL BE LIMITED WITH TALENT STRUCTURE.
SO, UH, AND THEN, UH, ALSO WITHIN THIS WE DID INTRODUCE ARTIFICIAL FOR INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE STANDARDS.
SO CURRENTLY IT'S NOT ALLOWED, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR AN NON RESIDENTIAL.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WAS DONE AND THE CIRCLE AND SO WE WANNA, UH, INTRODUCE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT'S PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING TO GET, UM, SAW GROW THROUGH THE SHADE OF THE STREET TREES AND, AND HAVE HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE POSITIONED.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD THAT REQUEST MANY TIMES PROVIDE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR RESIDENTS NOW FORD LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN, UM, THERE IS ALSO, UH, STANDARDS FOR IRRIGATION AS WELL UNDER OUTLINE, WHICH ARE, UH, WE CORRECTION HAVE TODAY.
TREE PROTECTION AND REPLACEMENT.
UH, SO THIS IS, UH, THIS SECTION EXISTS TODAY, HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN EXPANDED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO, UH, NOW, UH, TODAY WE ARE CURRENT REGULATIONS REQUIRE TREE MITIGATION FOR ALL EXISTING PROTECTED TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AT A ONE, ONE CALIBER INCH RATIO HAS BEEN EXPANDED.
SO WE, UH, ANY TREE THAT'S REMOVED, DAMAGED OR DISFIGURED IS REQUIRED TO BE, UH, NEGATED.
AND THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
SO YOU HAVE A PROTECTED TREE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE YOUR A STANDARD PROTECTED TREE THAT'S EXISTING THAT'S BETWEEN FOUR AND 19 HOUR INCHES.
THAT'S CONTINUING TO BE REPLACED TO ONE TO ONE RATIO AS YOU MOVE ON.
WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT TREES, WHICH ARE THOSE BETWEEN 20, 30 CALIBER PER INCHES, WHICH THE, UH, REPLACEMENT RATIO INCREASES TO ONE TO 1.5.
AND THEN HERITAGE TREE, WHICH IS ANYTHING AT THREE 30 CALIBER INCHES OR GREATER, UM, THAT, UH, RATIO IS ONE TO TWO AND ACTUALLY REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL TO BE REMOVED.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? IF YOU HAVE A TREE THAT'S LIKE SIX CPER INCHES AND IT SAYS ONE TO ONE, IS THAT SAYING YOU CAN PUT SIX ONE INCH TREES OR YOU HAVE TO PUT A SIX INCH TREE OR TWO THREE.
SO OUR MINIMUM INSTALLATION SIZE IS FOUR CALIBER INCHES.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT 10, POTENTIALLY TWO FOUR INCH TREES OR, UM, DEPENDING ON THE SCENARIO, IT COULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU PUT IN A SIX CALIBER INCH OR POTENTIALLY PUT IN A FOUR OR A FIVE.
IT COULD PAY A MITIGATION FOR THE REMAINING INCHES.
THERE'S A, AND MAYBE SHOULD BE IN LOW.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE SCENARIO AND WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
SO IN THAT CASE, IF YOU TOOK GOT A 16 INCH, YOU COULD PUT FOUR FOURS AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CLICK ON CORRECT.
AND UH, I THINK I HAVE IT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO, UM, THIS, THESE, UM, EXCUSE ME, PROTECTION AND REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS DO NOT APPLY A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED OR DUPLEX IF THEY'RE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE SOME, EXCUSE ME, A TREE THAT'S IN THE TOWN HIDEAWAY ADJACENT TO THE STREET AND YOU REMOVE IT, IT DOES APPLY THAT IS, IT'S NOT EXEMPT FROM, FROM REPLACEMENT.
UM, AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT, UM, THIS EXISTS TODAY AS A CARRY FORWARD.
THAT TREE PERMITS ARE REQUIRED,
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UH, FOR PREVENTING REMOVAL OR TRANSPLANT IN THE EXISTING TREES.SO WHETHER IT'S DONE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT OR NOT, UM, THE TREE PERMITS
UM, THAT SPECIFIC REPLACEMENT MEDICATION.
I YOU RESIDENTIAL? UM, WELL I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, THIS APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL.
HOW, HOW OLD, YOU KNOW, UH, JANICE SHAKING YOUR HEAD NO, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
WHEN YOU REMOVE THE TREE, IS IT REQUIRED TO DRY THIS UP OR CAN I JUST CUT THE TREE AND LEAVE? I, JANET
WE DO NOT REQUIRE ATION OF THE TREE, BUT WE DO REQUIRE FURTHER PROPERTY BE PUT BACK IN A MANICURED STATE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE RIDING THIS ONTO TO THE GROUND.
SO WHAT ABOUT IF IT'S A TOWN PROPERTY AND THE TOWN WHEN THERE'S A TREE, IS THAT RYAN'S STONE? YES.
YOU SAID HIS DAD WAS AT ADDISON, DAVID MM-HMM
AND THERE'S TREES THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL WINDOW AND COURTYARD THAT LOOKS TERRIBLE.
SO, UM, WHEN I TOOK OVER AS DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC, WE HAD THAT ISSUE IN SEVERAL PLACES AROUND TOWN AND WE HAVE A RUNNING LIST AND EVERY YEAR WE GO IN AND BRING A FEW MORE STUMPS.
WE HAVE NOT GROUND, UM, THE STUMPS IN THE CONFERENCE CENTER COURTYARD BECAUSE WE HAVE A BIGGER LANDSCAPE PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE WANT TO DO THAT COHESIVELY AT THE SAME TIME.
DOES DOES THIS APPLY TO, UH, PRUNING THE TREE PRUNING IN QUOTES AROUND UTILITIES? YES, IT DOES.
IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THAT, UM, VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, FRANCHISE UTILITY HOLDERS DO NEED A PERMIT AND THAT EXISTS TODAY AS WELL.
OH, DOES THAT HAPPEN? IT, UH, TO SAVE JANA, THE WALK UP HERE,
UM, WE HAVE BEEN DISAPPOINTED IN THEIR EFFORTS MM-HMM
AND SO WE'VE EXPRESSED THAT AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL IMPROVE, BUT WE, WE'VE CERTAINLY HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THEY, THEY WERE OUT FAIRLY RECENTLY TO TALK ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND HOW THINGS CAN IMPROVE.
I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL GET BETTER.
'CAUSE THAT'S, UH, THAT GETS OUTTA CONTROL PRETTY EARLY, PRETTY QUICKLY, AS YOU KNOW.
AND THEY'VE BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE.
AND ACTUALLY, I WAS THINKING ABOUT DARREN'S QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT UNDERGROUNDING, THE REST OF BELTLINE AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS THEY'RE, THEY HAVE BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE IN THEIR CUTS AND I THINK AS YOU SEE, AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH TOWN, YOU SEE OUR BEAUTIFUL TREES THAT ARE JUST HACKED DOWN.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WAS GOING ON UNDER THE GROUND, BUT WHAT'S ABOVE THE GROUND IS BECOMING A BIG CONCERN FOR US.
UM, SO MOVING ON TO EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
THIS IS A NEW SECTION THAT WE DID NOT CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR CODE.
UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS NEW SECTION IS TO ENHANCE SAFETY AND ALSO PRESERVE THE TOWN TIME, TIME THAT CHARACTER DECREASE POTENTIAL LIGHT POLLUTION.
UM, SO WITHIN THIS SECTION, UM, LIGHT DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED BASED UPON, UM, VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO MORE INTENSE ZONING DISTRICTS LIKE THEY'RE NON RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE A HIGHER LIGHT INTENSITY.
AND IT OBVIOUSLY DECREASES AS YOU GET TO LESS INTENSE DISTRICTS SUCH AS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO THE LIGHT LEVELS ARE, UH, MEASURED AND PUT HANDLES AND THAT WOULD BE MEASURED WITH THE LIGHT METER, WHICH ARE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF IS EQUIPPED WITH.
UM, AND SO THE COMPLIANCE WOULD BE VIA A LIGHTING PLAN.
WE REVIEW THAT THROUGH THE, THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND THEN, UM, EVALUATE THAT VIA SITE INSPECTION.
SO LIKE I SAID, THOSE DISTRICTS ARE CORRESPONDING, UM, MINIMUM OR EXCUSE ME, MAXIMUM LIGHT TRESPASS LEVEL BOTH ON THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL AS AWESOME.
WELL, IT PROVIDES BOTH, UH, MAXIMUM LINE TRESPASS LEVELS ON THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL AS 10 FEET OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, ADDITIONAL STANDARDS, UH, WHICH ARE NEW, UH, WITHIN THIS SECTION THAT PROVIDE STANDARDS RELATED TO LIGHTING, UH, SURFACE,
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UH, PARKING AREA LIGHTING, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING, UH, SECURITY LIGHTING, AS WELL AS THE SERVICE STATION CAN BE LIGHTING AS WELL.SO, UM, IN THOSE DIAGRAMS YOU SEE THERE'S LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE STANDARDS RELATED TOP LIGHTING.
IT'S INTENDED, IT CAN BE POSITIONED GREATER THAN 45 DEGREES AND IT NEEDS TO BE POSITIONED IN A MANNER THAT'S NOT SHINING ON ANOTHER PROPERTY.
UM, OR, YOU KNOW, SHINING PASSING LIGHT ONTO OTHER, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS AN EXAMPLE, SOME EXCEPTIONS TO EXTERIOR LIGHTING STANDARDS.
SO, UM, SIMILAR, SOME OF THE OTHER STANDARDS, SINGLE FAMILY DETACH, DUPLEX WELDS ARE EXEMPT FROM, UM, SEVERAL OF THESE STANDARDS.
UM, AS WELL AS EMERGENCY LIGHTING, SEASONAL LIGHTING WHICH HAVE
THESE ARE THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING STANDARDS.
SOME PROHIBITED LIGHTING, UM, TYPES WHICH ARE IDENTIFIED.
UM, INCLUDE LIKE UNSHIELDED LIGHTS THAT CAST UPWARD OR ACROSS VARIOUS PROPERTIES.
UM, LIGHTING LIGHTS THAT ARE, UM, ON THE TOP OF ROOFS AND LOSS REQUIRED.
UM, ANY LIGHTS THAT FLASH BLANK MOVE, THINGS LIKE THAT OR, OR THAT MIMIC, UM, EMERGENCY LIGHTS ARE ALSO PROHIBITED.
UM, UPWARD FACING LIGHTING THAT, UH, CONTRIBUTES TO LIGHT POLLUTION AS WELL AS A LUXURY PAPER AND LOW PRESSURE.
SO THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE
ANY QUESTIONS ON LARGE PARKING AREA IN THE FUTURE? UM, SO THERE ARE STANDARDS OUTLINED PER MINIMUM, UM, SURFACE PARKING AREA STANDARDS AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN SCALE LICENSES.
SO THE DIARY SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
UM, IDENTIFIES WHAT, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF UM, KIND OF LIGHT LAYER AND LIGHT, UM, TRESPASS, I GUESS I'LL CONFIRM.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S EXTENSIVE STANDARDS PROVIDING MINIMUMS IN TERMS OF A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF, OF PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, I WILL SAY, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES.
LIKE MID TREE HOUSE PROJECTS, UM, THEY WORKED WITH OUR PARK STAFF IN THE PUBLIC, MORE PUBLIC AREAS OR PUBLIC PARK AREA FOR, TO MEET OUR MINIMUM LIGHTING STANDARD, UM, AS WELL AS IN STREETSCAPES THAT WOULD OCCUR AS WELL.
UM, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO GET YOU AN ANSWER INTO PARKING.
SO WE CURRENTLY, UM, DO NOT HAVE MINIMUM STANDARDS.
UM, UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO PROPOSING SOME.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WOULD THAT INCLUDE THAT LIKE CONSTRUCTION IS THE TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THE LIGHTING IS CONSTRUCTED.
AND SO, UM, WE TYPICALLY DON'T GET INTO THAT MUCH DETAIL IN, IN A, A BROAD CODE THAT WOULD APPLY ACROSS THE TOWN.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THERE THE STANDARDS, UH, FOR SURFACE PARKING LOT AREA, UM, INCLUDES THAT, UH, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE POLE, WHICH IS 35 FEET AND IN DISTRICT ONE AND 20 FEET HIGH IN DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE.
UM, AND THEN IT ALSO PROHIBITS, UH, IT SAYS YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ELIMINATE LIKE
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PRIVATE FACILITIES THAT AREN'T OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.SO IT'S, IT IDENTIFIES PUBLIC OR, UM, FACILITY.
ALL OUR CONSULTANT, UH,
UM, WE HAVE SECURITY LIGHTING ALLOWED IN ALL DISTRICTS AND SO THE POINT OF SECURITY LIGHTING IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN AREA, PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY, YOU KNOW, LIGHT IT UP SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
BUT THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED NOW, IT'S, YOU CAN DO THAT.
WE DON'T WANT THESE REGULATIONS TO PROHIBIT THAT BEING NOT, IF YOU WANT IT TO REQUIRE MINIMUMS, YOU MIGHT SAY THAT SECURITY LIGHTING SHALL BE PROVIDED.
SO ANYTHING LIKE ANY PEDESTRIAN PATH THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED BY THIS CODE HAS TO BE PROVIDED WITH A MINIMUM OF LESS SECURITY LIGHTING.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE CLEANEST WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SECURITY LIGHTING DEFINED.
MATT, DO YOU LIKE THAT IDEA? I DO, YEAH.
IT'S, UM, IT'S GONNA BE MORE ENFORCEMENT, MORE, UH, CHECKING OF THE SITE PLANS.
I MEAN I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY PUTTING IN A LOT MORE DISCIPLINE IN TERMS OF WHERE THESE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS SEEM TO BE AND, AND THE, UM, THE, THE PLACES WHERE PROBLEMS MIGHT OCCUR.
YEAH, I MEAN SAFETY IS THE TOP OF OUR LIST, SO I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
DO YOU SEE THAT BEING DONE? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OLD PHRASE, THERE'S AN OLD TERM IN THE PLANNING WORLD CALLED SET TECH.
IT'S A CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN AND REQUIRING LIGHTING IN PLACES WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, LURK IN A CORNER.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD PRINCIPLE OF SET TECH.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE WE DON'T SEE LIGHTING.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LIGHT ORDERS WE DONE RECENTLY.
OH I HAVE THE, I ORDER ORDER SECURITY, RIGHT.
SO THAT, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, WHAT DAN SHARED.
SO THANK YOU FOR TALKING PRIMARILY WIRELESS.
MAYBE ADD THIS UP TO THE SURFACE ARY LIGHTING AND THIS COULD BE UNDER SECURITY LIGHTING, UM, WHICH HAS VARIOUS USES RELATED TO IT.
AND WE COULD ALSO DO A SCRUB, LIKE OUR PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING MAYBE SHALL BE REQUIRED.
WELL IF, IF YOU HAVE TRAILS AND THERE'S NO POWER THERE, NOW WE WOULD REQUIRE LIGHTING.
SO WE HAVE TO GET POWER OF THOSE TRAILS FOR LIGHTING ON, NOT NECESSARILY.
SO THAT WOULD BE, SO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT STANDARD WE FALL UNDER OR NON-CON CONFORMITY SECTION.
SO IF I HAD TO SIMPLIFY THE NON-CON CONFORMITY, SO IT GETS VERY TECHNICAL IF YOU TOUCH IT, IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT IF YOU LEAVE IT ALONE AND YOU CAN USE IT AS IS GENERALLY.
AND, AND YOU ALSO INTRODUCED THE IDEA OF LIGHTING DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME AREAS HAVE MORE FOCUSED ACTIVITY AND SOME AREAS ARE ARE MORE QUIET AND YOU MIGHT JUST WANNA REQUIRE THIS TYPE OF SECURITY LIGHTING IN THE MORE URBANIZED DISTRICTS.
UM, THAT'S A GOOD USE OF YOUR NEW LIGHTING DIFFERENTIATION WAS TRYING TO GET APPRECIATE IT.
ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS FROM COUNSEL ON, SORRY, I'M GOING BACK TO THAT SLIDE.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT MATT WAS MENTIONED IS, UM, POTENTIALLY, SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING SECURITY LIGHTING SHALL BE ALLOWED, MUST BE ALLOWED, UH, IT'S MINIMUM REQUIREMENT NOW.
AND THEN, UH, WE COULD DIFFERENTIATE THAT BY DISTRICT.
REALISTICALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE USES OF YOUR, YOUR LAND USES WITHIN A DISTRICT THREE FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS YOUR LESS INTENSE DISTRICTS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NEED BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE PRIMARILY SINGLE DETACHED.
UM, SO YOU COULD EXEMPT THEM I GUESS IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WISH MY DISTRICT, UM, ALSO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT MOST PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE GONNA PROVIDE MEDICAL LIGHTING ANYWAYS THROUGH THE WORKS DEPARTMENT AS WELL THROUGH APPROVAL BY COUNCIL USUALLY.
SO, BUT CURIOUS ON YOUR THOUGHTS OR IF YOU WANT TO APPLY IT BROADLY THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO LIMIT IT TO THE DISTRICT.
SORRY TO DISTRICT ONE AND TWO, I GUESS THE MORE
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DISCUSSED.WHAT DOES R THREE INCLUDE? SO OUR THREE INCLUDES, IT DOES ALLOW SOME STAPLE FAMILY DETACH, BUT ALSO TOWN HOMES AND MORE OF LIKE A, A TRIPLEX.
SO YOU'RE, A LOT OF PEOPLE REFER THAT YOU MISSING MIDDLE 'CAUSE IT ALLOWS THOSE USES THAT TEND TO GET SLIGHTLY MORE INTENSE.
BUT OUR, YOU KNOW, LARGE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY.
I THINK SOMETHING ONE AND TWO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION.
ANYTHING ELSE ON EXTERIOR LIFE? GREAT.
ALRIGHT, AND THE, THE LAST ITEM, UM, TO DISCUSS IS SIGN REGULATIONS.
SO, UM, JUST TO RECAP, ALL, MOST OF OUR CURRENT SIGN ORDERS WAS ACTUALLY CARRIED FORWARD.
IT WAS JUST A LOT OF CLEANUP TO PROVIDE, UH, CONSISTENCY.
CLARITY, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY AS WELL AS, UH, MAKE IT CONTENT NEUTRAL, UH, TO COMPLY WITH, UM, FEDERAL LAW.
SO, UM, JUST KIND OF MOVING THROUGH, UH, KIND OF SOME OF THE BROAD SECTIONS WITHIN THE SIGN CODE INCLUDE PROHIBITED SIGNS, SO A FEW THINGS.
UM, MOST OF THESE ARE ACTUALLY CARRIED FORWARD FROM OUR CURRENT CODE.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THEM ARE NEW IN TERMS OF BEING PROHIBITED.
SO, UM, MOST, UM, ANIMATED OR MOVING DIGITAL SIGNS, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, MOBILE BILLBOARDS, UM, OFF FROM THE SIGNS CONTINUE, CONTINUE TO BE PRECLUDED, UM, AS THEY ARE TODAY.
UM, PORTABLE SIGNS, ROAD SIGNS, I ABOVE, UH, ANY SIGN THAT IMITATES EMERGENCY SIGN SCHEDULES, THOSE ARE ALSO PROHIBITED, UH, SIGNS ON FENCES.
UM, I'LL SAY THAT THE, THESE ARE KIND OF BROAD STROKES, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME ALLOWANCES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T ALLOW EXPENSES ON SIGNS, SIGNS ON
AND THOSE ARE SET ASIDE AND THEY HAVE SET RISK.
CAN YOU, SORRY, CAN YOU DEFINE THE ELECTRONIC SIGN? IS THAT SOME BUSINESS THAT JUST HAS A NEON SIGN? IS THAT NOT ELECTRONIC OR IS THAT JUST LIKE THE TV SCREEN SIGN? SO IT'S MEANT TO HAVE LIKE A, THE INTENT INTENT OF THAT IS MORE LIKE A, LIKE A DIGITAL SIGN, NOT LIKE A SIGN REQUIRES ELECTRICITY.
SO THE DEFINITION IS INCLUDED.
SO THAT DISPLAYS ELECTRONIC STATIC IMAGES, STATIC GRAPHICS OR STATIC PICTURES WITH OR WITHOUT TEXT.
UM, USING LED OR OTHER FIBER OPTIC LIGHT BULBS OR ILLUMINATION DEVICES.
WOULD WE WANT TO REVISE THAT, THE NAME OF THAT MAYBE MAY ELECTRONIC SLASH DIGITAL SIGNS OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT, BECAUSE, BECAUSE ELECTRONIC'S PRETTY BROAD.
YEAH, IT COULD, YOU COULD THINK ILLUMINATED.
WHAT'S THAT? DARREN? OH, DARREN.
HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO THE TOWNS TO LED LEDS? UM, SO WITHIN THE SIGN CODE TODAY, AND AS PROPOSED, UH, ANY GOVERNMENT SIGN IS EXEMPT FROM SIGN CODE.
THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE'S A LITTLE BIT CRITICAL.
WELL, I MEAN, IF IT IS DISTRACTING AND YOU'RE DRIVING AND YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE WATCHING A MOVIE SIGN THEY HAVE ON BELT LINE, THAT CHANGES EVERY SO MANY SECONDS.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T HAVE IT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T HAVE HIM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO, SO LESLIE, WHAT, UH, ON THE SECOND TO LAST ONE, SIGNS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, DEFINE RIGHT AWAY IN THAT CONTEXT.
YEAH, SO RIGHT AWAY IS ANY PUBLIC RIGHTWAY, UM, WHICH INCLUDES, THAT COULD INCLUDE ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE OF UTILITY THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY OWN THE LAND WE EASEMENT, BUT WE DO HAVE MAINTENANCE AND RIGHTS WITHIN IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, LIKE A, LIKE A CERTAIN SETBACK FROM A STREET ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OR? NO, BUT LIKE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THEN WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE A PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT THAT WE CONTROL ACCESS AND UM, BUT THEN MAINTAIN SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT GOES WITH THE ACCOUNT.
BUT YOU'RE NOT, BUT THE TOWN'S NOT
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FEE FEE OWNER.DOES, DOES TOWN OWNED PROPERTY FALL INTO THAT DEFINITION? UM, NO, IT DOES NOT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOWN, TOWN HALL.
AND THIS, THIS PROPERTY WOULD NOT FALL INTO, FALL RIGHT AWAY.
SO THAT PROP PUBLIC
IT WOULD GENERALLY IN, IN MOST CASES INCLUDE THE AREAS BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK.
SO IN MOST CASES, IF THERE IS A SIDEWALK, THE SIDEWALK IS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE, BUT GENERAL SPEAKING, SO THE RULE OF THUMB, UM, SO TYPICALLY, AND YOU'LL SEE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN, UH, ELECTION EVENT SIGNS.
SO A RESIDENT WILL HOPEFUL HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, VOTE FOR ME.
AND, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE PLACED BEHIND THE SIDEWALK.
THE SIDEWALK EXISTS TO MAKE SURE IT'S OUT OF THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
OR, UH, LUCAS AT X 10 FEET FROM THE BACK OF HER.
AND HOW DOES IT DEFINE HAZARDOUS SLASH NUISANCE? YEAH, SO ANY, IT'S DEFINED AS ANY SIGN ILLUMINATED TO AN INTENSITY THAT CAN CAUSE LAYER OR BRIGHTNESS TO A DEGREE THAT CAN CONSTITUTE A HAARD OR A NUISANCE THAT MAY INCLUDE MOVING, FLASHING, INTER INITIAL LIGHTING, CHANGING COLOR BEACONS REVOLVING OR SIMILAR SIMILARLY CONSTRUCTED SIDES OBJECT.
I GUESS I'M GOING THROUGH DEFINITIONS.
WHAT, WHAT ALL IS INCLUDED IN OFF-PREMISES SIGNS? SO ANY SIGN THAT IS OFF PREMISE IS RELATED THAT SIGN YESS.
SO, SO AS PART OF OUR DESIGN PROCESS TODAY, SO IT, WE ACTUALLY REQUIRE A CO, OR EXCUSE ME, CERTIFICATE OR OCCUPANCY TO BE LINKED THE SIGN PERMIT.
UM, SO IT SHOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPATIBLE IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S ON PREMISE OR OFF PREMISE.
THERE ARE SOME SIGNS THAT HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO THE OFF PREMISE, UH, EXCEPTION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ELECTION EVENT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE THAT, THAT CAN, UM, IN MANY OF THESE PIECES UNDER PROHIBIT FINES NOT APPLY.
HOWEVER, THEY HAVE SEVERAL STANDARDS.
SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GET LIKE, UM, A TENANT OR SOMETHING HAVING A SIGN ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OR, YES.
SO, UM, WHAT IF IT'S BY PERMISSIONS? SO CHICK-FIL-A WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UM, SO, OR CROSS BANK, BOTH OF THOSE.
SO THEY ACTUALLY, UM, THERE IS A ADJACENT MULTI-TENANT.
THERE'S A LARGE MULTI-TENANT SIGN FOR THE ADDISON TOWN CENTER, TOWN CENTER SHOPPING DISTRICT.
TECHNICALLY, THEY COULD NOT ADVERTISE ON THAT MONUMENT SIGN EVEN IF THEY, UM, WANTED TO UNDER THE CODE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE OFF PREMISE.
HOWEVER, THEY COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH WHAT WE CURRENTLY CALL A MERIT CHOICE EXCEPTION PROCESS OR SIMILAR TO GET, UH, RELIEF FROM THAT.
UM, IN THAT CASE, THEY, THEY DID, UM, PURSUE MERIT CHOICE EXCEPTION TO DO AN OFF, OR EXCUSE ME, AN ON SITE DETACHED SIGN, WHICH WAS NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE IT WAS CONTRADICTORY THAT CASE.
SORRY, LESLIE'S READING VERY QUICKLY.
YOU STUMPED ME, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
UM, SO IT ACTUALLY, UM, SO THAT, THAT SECTION, UM, ELECTION EVENT SIGNS, UH, IT DOES GRANT AUTHORITY FOR, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO HAVE, UH, ELECTION SIGNS.
IT DOES NOT SPECIFY WHERE THEY NEED TO BE ATTACHED TO OR FIXED TO, OR WHAT THE MINIMUM INSTALLATION IS.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REQUIREMENTS, UM, INCLUDING AREA HEIGHT
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AND IT CANNOT BE ILLUMINATED OR HAVE MOVING ELEMENTS, BUT IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT OR GRANT, UH, SIGNS TO BE AFFIXED TO DEFENSES MEETING.WOULD YOUR, UM, THE, I GUESS WHAT'S THE COUNSEL'S SPOTS ON, UM, THOSE ALL MAYBE LOOK TO, UH, THE ATTORNEY TO SEE IF SHE HAS THOUGHTS, BUT IN TERMS OF PROVIDING MINIMUM INSTALLATION STANDARDS OR EVEN JUST MAKING A STATEMENT THAT SAID, THERE'S IF ANY OF THESE ARE ACCEPTABLE.
I, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A QUESTION REAL QUICK BEFORE WE START.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFERRING WE ALREADY HAVE TO THE UDC? SO, UH, AS FAR AS POLITICAL SIGNAGE LAWS, YEAH, SO SIR, I CAN, UH, I GO, GO THROUGH, SINCE WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THOSE, UM, I CAN TALK THROUGH THOSE REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE WE START, GET STARTED ON THAT CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, IT'S CALLED THE POLITICAL SIGN OF ORDINANCE TODAY.
A LOT OF IT'S BEING CARRIED FORWARD EXCEPT WE'RE REMOVING A LOT OF THE, UM, CONTENT SPECIFIC REGULATIONS THAT ANY CONTENT NEUTRAL.
UM, SO NOW, UH, THE NAME OF THIS SECTION IS CALLED ELECTION EVENT SIGNS, UM, ONCE AGAIN FORMALLY CALLED POLITICAL SIGNS, UH, OR IN OUR CURRENT CODE.
SO IT, SO THIS SECTION ALLOWS THAT ELECTION EVENT SIGNS CAN BE ALLOWED, UM, ON ANY PROPERTY THEN 60 DAYS PRIOR TO ANY ELECTION EVENT WITH LOCAL, STATE, FEDERAL, SO FORTH.
UM, AND THEY, UH, MUST BE REMOVED WITHIN TWO DAYS AFTER THAT ELECTION EVENT HAS CONCLUDED.
IT DOES PROVIDE MINIMUM STANDARDS, SO SIZE IS MAXIMUM OF 36, UH, SQUARE FEET, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET.
ONCE AGAIN, THEY CANNOT BE ELIMINATED OR HAVE ANY MOVING COLUMNS.
THERE IS, UM, PLACEMENT STANDARD, WHICH I DIDN'T, IT'S QUITE A LONG SECTION GETTING ASSIGNED, BUT, UM, TO SPECIFY.
BUT, UH, IT DOES REQUIRE THAT IF YOU'RE ON A, A SINGLE FAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, PLACED IN ANY PORTION OF YOUR FRONT OR SIDE YARD.
UM, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF THREE FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE STREET.
AND THEN LOCATION WHERE THERE'S A SIDEWALK, IT MUST BE BEHIND THE SIDEWALK.
IT ALSO SHOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T EVER CREATE A HAZARD.
SO YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S PUT ON A CORNER AND YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE VISIBILITY OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.
SO THERE ARE ALSO STANDARDS RELATED TO THAT.
UH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANYTHING RELATED TO SPECIFIC INSTALLATION ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
THERE'S ALSO A SECTION WHICH ALLOWS, UM, ELECTION EVENT SIGNED IN ON TOWN ON THE PROPERTY WITHIN A DESIGNATED AREA AT A POLLING PLACE.
UM, IT DOES ALLOW TWO ELECTION EVENT SIGNS PER CANDIDATE, UM, PROPOSITION OR MEASURE TO BE PLACED WITHIN THE DESIGNATED AREA.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO STANDARDS RELATED TO THAT, INCLUDING, UM, MAXIMUM OF THREE SQUARE FEET NEEDS TO BE 18 BY 24 INCHES.
CAN, UH, IT CANNOT BE, UM, ILLUMINATED AND CANNOT HAVE INCLUDED IN THE POINTS.
SO VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT, AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, UH, APPLIES TO BOTH LOCAL CANDIDATES, STATE CANDIDATES, FEDERAL CANDIDATES, RIGHT? ALL CANDIDATES? YES.
SO IT, IT IDENTIFIES THAT IT IS SPECIFIC TO STATE, LOCAL, OR NATIONAL ELECTIONS.
THIS IS UNDER THE TEMPORARY SIGN SECTION, UH, FIVE SECTION 5, 9 8.
I SIDE FRONT IT SAYS IF YOU HAD AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT.
SO WE DO NEED AT LEAST SOME, UH, I'M NOT GONNA SOUND OFF NOW, SO I DON'T WANT IF ANYBODY'S TALKING NO, MAYOR, YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING.
UM, WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE STILL, UM, SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A GARAGE SALE AND WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN TOWN KNOWS ABOUT IT WITH SIGNAGE OR IF I WANT HAVE A CANAS TONIGHT IN
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MY CLUBHOUSE, WHICH I WOULDN'T DO, BUT HYPOTHETICAL AND I WANNA INVITE EVERYBODY AROUND THE TOWN TO COME TO MY CAN TONIGHT, WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON THAT? SO, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE ARE ALLOWANCES, UM, I FIND HERE SO I CAN READ IT.SO, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY UNDER, UH, THE 5 9 5 WHICH ASSIGN ALLOWED WITHOUT SIGNED PERMITS.
SO THIS TESTIFIES THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES MAY HAVE, DO HAVE SOME SIGN ALLOWANCES WITHOUT SIGN PERMITS, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO IT SPECIFIES THAT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CAN DISPLAY UP TO THREE DETACHED, NON ILLUMINATED SIGNS PER LOT AND EACH SIGN CANNOT EXCEED SIX SQUARE FEET ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO A LOT OF TIMES IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT REALLY BEING UTILIZED IS MAYBE SOMEONE BUT, UM, HAS A, A CHILD THAT GOES TO SCHOOL AND THEY'LL PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS I SUPPORT MY CHILD, YOU KNOW, PLAYING SOCCER OR WHATEVER MM-HMM
OR MAYBE THEY HAVE A FLAG OR OTHER, UM, SIGN RELATED TO A SPORTS TEAM THEY LIKE TO SUPPORT THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE WE SEE THAT UTILIZED.
THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER, UM, STANDARD WITHIN THAT THAT SAYS THE TEMPORARY SIGNS DURING AN ELECTION EVENT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE THREE SIGN LIMIT SET FORTH ABOVE AND SHALL COMPLY WITH WITH THE OTHER ELECTION EVENT SIGNS STANDARDS.
SO, UM, HYPOTHETICALLY IN AN ELECTION EVENT SCENARIO, THERE COULD BE MORE THAN THE THREE SIGNS, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE ELECTION EVENT SCIENCE STANDARD RELATED.
UM, SO TO YOUR POINT, AS RELATED TO THE GARAGE SALE, IF THEY WANT TO ADVERTISE WORK CAN ASK THEM, YOU CAN ADVERTISE UP TO THREE SIGNS, LIMITED TO SIX SQUARE FEET PROPERTY ON A RESIDE ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
YEAH, WELL ANYONE CAN, SO IF YOU CAN GET CHRIS TO, SO CHRIS CAN PUT SOME, PUT THEM ON HIS.
OKAY, SO WHAT, WHAT ABOUT NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? SO THERE ARE, UM, VERY FEW OPPORTUNITIES ON NON-RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY KIND OF AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN LIKELY IN THAT SCENARIO.
UM, THERE'S ALSO VERY FEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS ON NON RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
I THINK SOMETHING WE DID INTRODUCE THAT'S RELATIVELY NEW, UM, WE HAVE IT ACTUALLY IN THE ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIAL DISTRICT IS WE ALLOWED, UM, TEMPORARY SIGNS ON SIDEWALKS IN THE, IN FOUR DISTRICT ONLY, AND THERE'S STANDARDS RELATED TO THAT.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS THAT OPENS DIRECTLY ONTO THE SIDEWALK.
YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN SO MUCH CLEARANCE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THAT'S KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU HAVE A TEMPORARY SIGN.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO ADVERTISE THEIR BUSINESSES IF THEY ADVERTISE
SO WHEN IT SAID ABOUT THE, UM, POLITICAL SIGNS, I THOUGHT I READ, YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE PER CANDIDATE.
IT'S IS THAT, CAN I READ THAT? LIKE, IF YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE RUNNING, YOU CAN HAVE FOUR SIGNS, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN FOUR SIGNS.
SORRY, WHICH, WHICH PLACE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON YOUR RESIDENCE? I DON'T REMEMBER.
I READ YEAH, ON YOUR RESIDENCE THAT, BUT LIKE IF SOMEONE HAS A CORNER LOT AND THEY PLACE SIGNS IN THE FRONT AND ON THIS SIDE, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LIMIT OF FOR, I DON'T KNOW, THERE, THERE IS A LIMIT.
SO THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ALLOWED SHAUNA TO SEE THE NUMBER OF BALLOT ISSUES OR OFFICES ON THE BALLOT.
SO IF THERE'S FOUR, IF THERE'S FOUR BALLOT ISSUES OR OFFICES TOTAL, YOU HAVE UP TO FOUR SIGNS, UM, ON YOUR PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU COULD HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL SIGNS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIGN FOR YOU COULD HAVE SEVEN.
AND THAT'S IN THE CURRENT UDC, IT'S BEING PROPOSED.
IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE CONTENT OF THIS SIGNAGE IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE REGULATIONS.
SO DID WE SETTLE THE IN ISSUE OF PUTTING ASYLUM FENCE OR DID WE JUST MOVE ON? UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THAT YET.
'CAUSE WE WERE I GETTING A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THE ELECTION DEBT SIGN STANDARDS WERE, BUT YEAH, BUT THAT WAS IN THE TOPIC WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO, UM, WE WANT TO EXPLORE, BUT I THINK STAFF MIGHT NEED TO GO BACK AND, AND DISCUSS WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM ABOUT A POTENTIAL INSTALLATION REQUIREMENT FOR THE ELECTION AT SIGNS.
BUT IS THERE A DESIRE TO DO SO WHAT THAT
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LOOK LIKE? I DON'T HAVE MUCH INTEREST IN GOING DOWN THAT PATH TOO MUCH.SO I JUST SAY NO, NO SIGNS ON FENCES.
I DON'T THINK, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M SAYING I'M JUST LEAVE, LEAVE THE, WELL, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE, THE, THAT THE MAXIMUM SIZE AND HEIGHT THAT AGAIN.
SO WHAT THE, THE CURRENT UVC SAYS NO SIGNS ON S AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE EXCEPTION FOR POLITICAL SIGN.
SO WE, IT'S NOT CLEAR IS THAT, YEAH, SO TODAY THE POLITICAL SIGN REGULATIONS DO NOT SPECIFY, UM, WHETHER THEY CAN OR CANNOT BE ON FENCES THAT THE PROPOSED UVC ALSO DOES NOT.
THERE IS A BIT OF CONFUSION 'CAUSE THERE IS THE, THE PROHIBITED SIGN SECTION, WHICH SAYS CANNOT HAVE, UM, SIGNS ON FENCES.
UM, BUT SO IF WE DO NOTHING IS THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING, ALLOW IT.
AND THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING MODEL, THE, THE REASON THAT I DON'T REALLY CARE TOO MUCH TO GO DOWN THAT PATH IS IF, IF THEY PUT THIS WHATEVER THAT'S, THAT'S SIGNED IS ON DEFENSE AND YOU SAY, WELL NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE, BUT THEY TAKE IT AND THEY PUT IT ON STAKES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FENCE.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT'S ON DEFENSE OR SIX INCHES IN FRONT OF THE FENCE.
SO SHOULD WE SAY WE ALLOW IT? SO ALREADY IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY ALLOWED.
LESLIE, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THIS.
UH, SECOND BULLET POINT, UH, SIGNED PERMIT FOR 60 DAYS PRIOR TO ANY ELECTION EVENT.
ARE WE GETTING THAT FROM THE STATE? THAT IS, THAT IS A STATE THING.
AND SO COULD WE, COULD WE ALTER THAT? OR WE, LIKE, COULD WE HAVE OURS THAT SAYS 30 DAYS PRIOR OR WE, OR WE, DO WE HAVE TO DO WHAT THE STATE IS DOING? OR IS THAT A LEGAL QUESTION? I SAY, UM, THIS IS A HOT TOPIC
THE OTHER THING DOWN, THE OTHER THING I'M THINKING OF IS THAT I WAS JUST THINKING LOCAL AND SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, REALLY DIFFICULT FOR A NON-LOCAL CANDIDATES.
GLAD YOU SAID THAT'S THE RING.
UM, MAYOR COMMENTS ON ELECTION.
I, I'D LIKE TO GET, THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH THE YARD SIGN.
I JUST SUGGEST, SO WE, SO TO JUST FOR FOR CLARITY PURPOSES, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PROVIDE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS OR PARAMETERS, BUT WE COULD, IN THE PROHIBITED SIGN SECTION WHERE IT SAYS FENCE, WE COULD SAY ELECTION AND SIGNS ARE EXEMPT FROM THAT, THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.
SO THAT, THAT CLEARS A BIG CONFUSION AND I A SUPPORT STAFF TO ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT.
SO YOU'RE TAKING ELECTION SIGNS OUT OF PROHIBITED ON FENCES? WELL, IT WAS JUST LISTED, YEAH.
SPREAD SUIT OR WHATEVER THAT IT'S EXEMPT.
UM, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH, UM, THE TEMPORARY ASYLUM OFFS.
WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE ALREADY.
UM, SO I'LL SKIP THE ONES WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
SO ACTUALLY THAT SIGN WE WENT THROUGH, WE ALSO INTRODUCED, INTRODUCED PUBLIC OR PROVIDE SPECIAL EVENT SIGNAGE.
SO THIS COULD BE RELATED TO OUR TOWN EVENTS THAT WE, UM, SPONSORED THE TOWN, BUT ALSO OTHER CRIME EVENTS THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP FACILITATE OR HOST.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, USING SOME OF TOWN FACILITIES OR OTHERWISE, GENERALLY IT WOULD ALLOW ONE SIGN PER VENDOR AND THEN A MAXIMUM OF 10 PER VENDOR.
SO THERE WOULD BE SOME, SOME FURTHER ALLOWANCE OR REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THAT.
UM, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO OBTAIN ORDER TO OBTAIN A TEMPORARY SIGN ROUNDS.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO OBTAIN A TEMPORARY PERMIT, BUT TO A TEMPORARY PERMIT PERMIT.
SO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A WHAT SAYS TEMPORARY SIGN WITHOUT THE EVENT PERMIT AS WELL.
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THAT, ARE THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT ARE HELD ON TOWN PROPERTY? THEY COULD BE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SO THEY COULD BE PRIVATE OF IT THOUGH, STILL HELD ON TOWN PROPERTY OR IS IT YES.IS IT, IS IT REFERENCING TOWN PROPERTY OR NOT NECESSARILY? IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE BOTH SCENARIOS.
COULD BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY SOMEWHERE.
SO I, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT AS MUCH FREQUENTLY, BUT, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE HELD, UM, DALE AT ASEN CIRCLE PARK.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER FESTIVAL, I THINK IT WAS CALLED RINGING SV.
UM, AND SO THOSE TECHNICALLY ARE NOT TOWN SPONSORED EVENTS, RIGHT? THEY'RE ON OUR PROPERTY AND THEN WE WORK TO HELP FACILITATE THOSE.
BUT AS OUR CODE IS WRITTEN, SIGNAGE RELATED TO THOSE IS NOT TECHNICALLY ALLOWED.
SO PROVIDING THIS IN THIS STANDARD IN HERE ALLOWS US AN ADDITIVE TO HELP MONITOR AND ENFORCE SIGN AND KEEP IT TO A REASONABLE LEVEL.
A QUICK QUESTION, LESLIE, ON, WELL, I GUESS IT'S EITHER TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT.
DO THESE RULES GOVERN SIGNS INSIDE OF A BUSINESS? POTENTIALLY DEFENSE? SO THEY'RE STANDARDS RELATED TO THAT? THOSE, SO, UM, THERE ARE SOME WINDOW SIGNS, WINDOWS SIGNS, WINDOW SIGN, YES.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, WHICH WINDOW SIGNS ARE GENERALLY BEING CARRIED FOR AS THEY EXIST TODAY.
SO THAT CONCLUDES AN MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF 10% OF THE TOTAL WINDOW AREA.
THE GLAZING AREA CAN BE USED AS WINDOW SIGNS, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT WE INTRODUCED TO THE CODE THAT ARE NEW, THAT THIS WAS WHERE SIGN NOT READABLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE BUSINESS HAS HOURS OF OPERATION, OR MAYBE THEY HAVE 'EM PUSH TO PULL SIGN ON THEIR DOOR, WE'RE NOT COUNTING THAT TOWARDS YOUR WINDOW AREA OR SIGNAGE.
SO THE STANDARDS RELATED TO THAT INCLUDES THAT THE ANY LETTER FIGURE OR SYMBOL USED, WHICH IS LESS THAN TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, UM, IS NOT INTENDED TO BE READABLE.
IF THEY HAD A MOVING SIGN OR A FLASHING SIGN INSIDE THE BUSINESS THAT WASN'T A WINDOW SIGN, LET'S SAY IT WAS A SALE OR SOMETHING, WOULD THESE RULES APPLY? YEAH, SO THAT WOULD STILL COUNT AS A WINDOW SIGN.
SO THE STANDARD IS THAT IF IT IS, UM, IF IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE WINDOW, IT'S CONSIDERED THE WINDOW.
SO YOU COULDN'T DO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU TOOK THAT TV AND YOU HAD AN ADVERTISEMENT ON IT AND YOU ROLLED IT UP TO THE WINDOW, THAT WOULD COUNT AS A SIGN OR AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S YOUR INTENT IS STILL TRYING TO ADVERTISE FOR VARIOUS MEANS.
SO LESLIE, ON THE 10%, SO IF YOU TAKE A BUSINESS FRONT AND SAY IT'S 50 FEET WIDE, AND SO, SO, AND YOU HAVE TWO BUSINESSES SIDE BY SIDE, HYPOTHETICALLY, ONE OF THEM, THEIR, THEIR ENTIRE FRONT SAW GLASS, 10% OF THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CHUNK OF GLASS, CHUNK OF SPACE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THE ONE NEXT DOOR HAS SOME BEAUTIFUL STONE WORK, BRICK WORK, WHATEVER, AND JUST A REALLY SMALL AMOUNT OF GLASS, 10% OF THAT IS A POSTAGE STAND.
IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT OR, OR SHOULD WE DO FRONT TOTAL FRONTAGE? WOULD, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I DON'T, I HAVE NO IDEA.
SO I, UM, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE INTENT OF THE REGULATION.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.
SO WHAT, FROM A STORE FRONT, THERE'S UM, A LEVEL OF SAFETY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A STORE THAT HAS A MAYBE ONE OR TWO SMALLER WINDOWS, AND BASED UPON YOUR PERCENTAGE OF THE STOREFRONT, THAT CONCLUDES COVERING ALMOST THE ENTIRETY OF THOSE WINDOWS AND PREVENTS ANYONE FROM SEEING IN, UM, THAT'S THE REVERSE EYES ON THE STREET CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, UH, ESPECIALLY IN A MORE, UM, URBAN ENVIRONMENT, UH, YOU MIGHT WANT HAVE, BE ABLE TO SEE INTO A STORE OR SOMETHING TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH GOING OUTSIDE.
UH, AND THEN IN THE REVERSE, IF YOU HAVE, IN YOUR EXAMPLE, YOU A STOREFRONT FULL BLAZING, A 10% IS, IS COULD BE QUITE SIGNIFICANT.
SO, UM, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, FROM ADVERTISING PERSPECTIVE, FROM A BUILDING AESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE.
UM, WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION, GOSH, IT'S PROBABLY A YEAR THERE NOW, APRIL OF LAST YEAR, ABOUT POTENTIALLY INCREASING THAT.
UM, BECAUSE WE, WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS A DESIRE, HOWEVER WE EXPLORED DIFFERENT AVENUES TO TRY TO REGULATE IT AND BE EQUITABLE TO YOUR POINT.
UM, AND WE, WE REALLY STRUGGLED FINDING A MORE EQUITABLE WAY THAT STILL ADDRESSED THOSE, THE PERSPECTIVES.
YEAH, IT'S PRETTY CHALLENGING, I THINK, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT IT DOES GIVE THAT, THE, THAT THAT STOREFRONT THAT'S ALL GLASS ALMOST AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE ADVERTISING WISE.
UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, IF A CONSIDERATION ABOUT HAVING AN EXTERIOR SIGN
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ON ON BRICK WORK OR STONE WORK OR SOMETHING MAKES SENSE.PROBABLY NOT, BUT JUST, UM, JUST, JUST THINK OF DIFFERENT IDEAS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE A, GIVE EVERY BUSINESS A FAIR, FAIR SHOT, YOU KNOW? I AGREE WITH YOU.
SO SOME SHOULD I DON'T SEE THE 10% UP THERE ON ANOTHER SCREEN.
NO, I DIDN'T, I DID NOT OUTLINE IT, UM, ON HERE BECAUSE IT, IT DIDN'T CHANGE.
UM, LESLIE, WOULD YOU SAY THAT, UM, THOSE PROPERTIES WITH A LOT OF GLASS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TEND NOT TO HAVE A BUNCH OF CLUTTER AND SIGNAGE AND MARKETING ON THAT GLASS? OH, I THINK IT VARIES, BUT, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF YOU.
SO TO BE HONEST, UM, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A COUPLE, UH, MAYBE BAD ACTORS THAT WILL PUT UP A LOT OF SIGNAGE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A MAJORITY.
UM, I THINK WHERE WE TEND TO HAVE ISSUES ARE, UH, I'M GONNA USE LIKE THE MCDONALD'S AS A GREAT EXAMPLE ON BELT LINE.
SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE FAIRLY LIMITED, UM, ACTUAL BLAZING ON THEIR BUILDING, ACTUALLY A LOT OF LIKE STONE WORK THAT, UM, DON'T HAVE LARGE
AND SO WHEN THEY WANT PUT UP, YOU KNOW, A A, A STANDARD POSTER THAT SAYS WHATEVER CHICKENS BACK, THEY, IT EXCEEDS THE 10% A STANDARD POSTER.
IN SOME, SOME INSTANCES THAT BECOMES REALLY CHALLENGING.
SO BACK, UM, SO THERE IS THAT, THAT IS, I WOULD SAY WHERE WE RUN INTO A LOT OF THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT KIND OF SCENARIO WHERE IT'S, IT DOESN'T, THE, THE PERCENTAGE OR THE SPECIFIC SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE IS NOT PERFECT.
AND, AND THAT SCENARIO YOU'RE BRINGING UP, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY TAKE ONE DOWN, THEY JUST SLAP ANOTHER ONE UP.
YEAH, NORMALLY IT'S, IT IS MORE OF A PROMOTIONAL OR TEMPORARY LIMITED EDITION SEASONAL TYPE SCENARIO.
A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS IN THOSE TENANT LEASES ANYWAY ABOUT HOW MUCH COVERAGE THEY CAN HAVE ON THEIR, UM, ON THEIR GLAZING.
AND A LOT OF TIMES IT COULD EVEN BE MORE RESTRICTED THAN, THAN THAN OUR CODE.
I, I LIKE THE 10% WHERE IT'S AT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT I GET YOUR POINT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE TASTEFUL, UM, UH, WITH NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE GLASS COVER WITH, WITH WHATEVER TYPE OF SIGN DID.
NO, I GET, I GET THE POINT AND UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO DO TEMPORARY PROMOTIONS OR SOMETHING FOR WHATEVER IT IS AT THE TIME.
UM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THESE STRIP CENTERS, YOU KNOW, ADDISON WALK FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT'S THE, THE MARCH SPECIAL OR WHATEVER, AND, AND THEY'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOME WALK-IN TRAFFIC FROM ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN ADDISON WALK.
UH, BUT THEY DON'T, PEOPLE JUST WALK BY, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE.
JUST SOMETHING TO HELP DRAW THEIR, THEIR EYE TO IT, TO, TO SAY, OH, THERE'S THIS, MAYBE GO CHECK THAT OUT.
IT SEEMS IF WE, I'D LOVE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO FIND AN OPPORTUNITY OR SOME WAY FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, SO, UH, ONE THOUGHT IS WE HAVE INTERVIEWS TO THE ADMISSION OF TEMPORARY SIDEWALK SIGNS.
AND THEY ARE LIMITED TO M FOUR.
UM, I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS POTENTIALLY EXPANDING THAT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IF THERE'S INTEREST, WE WOULD DEFINITELY THAT LIKE A 10 SIGN.
COULD SEE A TENT SIGN OR A LOT OF 'EM ACTUALLY ARE ON LIKE A BASE WITH A OH, SURE, YEAH.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AVENUES, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'RE IN THE CODE AND YOU C THEY'RE CALLS A SIDEWALK SIGN AND TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT FORMS. UM, THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME VISIBILITY ON A POTENTIALLY TEMPORARY BASIS, UM, BUT ALSO NOT CLUTTER SCORE PRICE.
YEAH, I, I'D BE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN PURSUING THAT AND, AND UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, OBVIOUSLY WITH SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY CAN'T BLOCK THE, THE WALKWAY AND AADA A REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO DOWN THAT PATH, YOU KNOW, ONE'S GONNA DO IT AND THEN ANOTHER ONE'S GONNA SEE IT AND THEY'RE GONNA DO IT.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA MULTIPLY PRETTY QUICKLY PROBABLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO, UM, IS THE, WE WILL DEFINITELY GO BACK AND, AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND, AND THERE ARE SOME MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT ALREADY EXIST TODAY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, EACH TENANTS ONLY LOG ONE SIDEWALK
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SIGN.THEY MUST MAINTAIN FOUR FEET OF CLEARANCE AT ALL TIMES.
UM, AND THEY CAN ONLY BE DISPLAYED DURING THE BUSINESS OPERATING HOURS.
SO, UH, WE CAN GO BACK IN AND EVALUATE.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL STANDARDS WE NEED TO ADD.
BUT AS FAR AS, UH, POTENTIALLY ALLOWING THEM, IS, IS THERE INTEREST BROADLY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY OR IN SPECIFIC INSTANCES? MAYBE ONLY IN A MULTI-TENANT SCENARIO? I DON'T, UM, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS ON THAT? TO ME, TO ME, THE MULTI-TENANT SCENARIO IS, IS, IS WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.
UM, IT WAS A FREESTANDING BUSINESS.
IT'S SOMEBODY'S LIKELY GOING THERE ALREADY, BUT IT IS JUST, IT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT JUST CREATES AN EXPOSURE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, THOSE BUSINESSES AND THOSE MULTI-TENANT, UM, DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU DON'T RESPOND THOSE, BUT THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED, RIGHT? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PERMITTED.
SORRY, DID YOU SAY THEY TOOK THEM UP AT NIGHT? YEAH, THEY'LL ONLY BE ALLOWED DURING BUSINESS HOURS.
UM, I DON'T WHY, IF THEY NEED A PERMIT, YEAH.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE REQUIRING A PERMIT FOR THEM.
IT'S ALREADY ALL, I MEAN, IT SAYS PERMIT, PERMIT, PERMITTED, PERMITTED, PERMITTED, NOT PERMITTED.
I, ON RIGHTS OF LAW, I'M TRYING TO COME UP, COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR WHAT BRUCE SAID, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE, IF, COULD WE PUT, IF YOUR WINDOW IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF YOUR FRONT, YOU GET 10%.
IF YOUR WINDOW IS 50%, THEN YOU CAN HAVE 20% SIGN.
IF IT'S 25% OF GLASS, YOU COULD HAVE 30.
WE HAVE THREE BULLET POINTS OF HOW BIG THEY'RE TO BE IF THEY'RE DISADVANTAGE THEIR THAT COMPLICATED.
BUT THEY DO, THEY DO MATH PROBLEMS EVERY DAY.
WINDOW SIGN, WINDOW SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY, OR TO ME, THEY'RE PROPOSED TO BE ALLOWED WITHOUT SIGNED PERMITS, UM, TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAVING TO COME GET A SIGNED PROMOTIONAL ADVERTISEMENT.
UM, SO IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE CHALLENGING TO COMMUNICATE, BUT IT SAYS THEY CAN ONLY BE 10% OF THE CLASS.
BUT, UM, SO IF I COULD, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE OF COUNSEL OVERALL.
I THINK WE COULD GO BACK AND TRY TO THINK THROUGH SOME OPTIONS.
I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS OF COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION RIGHT HERE THAT COULD ASK.
YEAH, NO, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THAT.
SO WE CAN COME BACK AND TRY TO, AND IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, FURTHER AND YOU THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA, UH, COME BACK AND SET IT'S A BAD IDEA, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
YEAH, WE'LL, THINK OF SOMETHING OUT.
IT, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE SCENARIO YOU'RE POINTING OUT AND TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET THERE.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT.
UM, JUST HOPE WE'RE NOT CREATING SOMETHING THAT SUDDENLY NEEDS TO BE ENFORCED, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PLACES WHERE THE SIGNS LOOK GREAT AND TELL EXACTLY WHAT SPECIAL IS OR WHAT'S ON SALE AND OTHERS, AND THEN THEY START GETTING BEAT UP.
WELL, THEY DON'T TAKE, THEY'RE WEATHERED AND YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT THE PURPOSE WAS AT ALL.
IT'S LIKE THERE'S TOO MUCH WORK FOR THEM TO TAKE ONE SIGN DOWN AND PUT UP THE NEW THING.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GO BACK WITH A COUPLE OPTIONS, UM, ALL THROUGH THEM.
AND THEN, UM, GARY, WE HAD ABOUT TEMPORARY RECITAL SIGNS.
UM, TEMPORARY VA SIGNS IS ALSO CARRY FORWARD.
THE INTENT OF THIS IS A NEW BUSINESS, UM, WITHIN SIX, UH, IN THE ALLOWED WITHIN THE, THE FIRST 60 DAYS FOLLOWING INITIATIVE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO HAVE A TEMPORARY BANNER.
WE TRADITIONALLY, CCPS IS A NOW OPEN OR GRAND OPENING SIGN, MAYBE AN OHIO DESIGN FOR, UM, TO THAT MESSAGE.
AND THEN ALSO UNDEVELOPED REAL ESTATE SITE SIGNS.
UH, THIS IS TO ADVERTISE THOSE, UM, PROPERTIES THAT ARE WHETHER RELEASE OR FOR SALE OR, UM, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OR OR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I'M GONNA SKIP YOUR ELECTION, A SIGN FOR EACH CHATTED ABOUT THOSE.
AND THEN I WANTED TO, UM, WRAP UP, UH, WITH ALTERNATIVE SIGN DESIGN.
THIS WAS FORMERLY CALLED THE MERIT TOWARDS EXCEPTION PROCESS.
IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NAME NOW.
UM, JUST GENERALLY THE SAME PURPOSE.
SO WITHIN THE SIGN, UM, CODE, WE ARE, UM, CORRECTED SOME OF THE CONCERNS, MAKING SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY, REMOVING MAXIMUM LETTER LOGO, UM,
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HEIGHT SIGN, OR EXCUSE ME, MAXIMUM LETTER LOGO RESTRICTIONS.AND SLIGHTLY INCREASING THE OVERALL AREA TO ALLOW SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY.
I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT WILL ELIMINATE MANY OF THE TERRITORIES EXCEPTIONS WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS, OR THE NEED FOR THEM, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS REALLY TO ENCOURAGE INNOVATION, UH, WHILE STILL MAINTAINING POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO THERE ARE SOME CRITERIA THAT ARE OUTLINED FOR THIS PROCESS, WHICH WOULD ULTIMATELY, UH, THE REQUEST WOULD COME BEFORE COUNSEL AND ULTIMATELY, UM, BE CONSIDERED BY COUNSEL.
BUT THAT, UM, THOSE CRITERIA INCLUDING THAT THERE IS A UNIQUE NATURE ON THE SITE OR A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE AND THAT IT WON'T HAVE, UM, ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CONFLICT WITH THE PURPOSE OF OF THE DESIGN PROOF.
SO IT'S, UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT STILL REALLY THE SAME INTENT OF LESLIE.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS, THIS PART IN, IN PARTICULAR, IS, UH, IS THAT GONNA GET US TO A PLACE WHERE OUR, OUR ORDINANCES FOR SIGNS ARE MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE ACROSS THE BOARD, 'CAUSE 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ALL SEEN 'EM AND YOU SEE A BUSINESS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SITS BACK FROM THE ROAD NOT REAL FAR AND IT HAS A SIGN UP THERE, BUT YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE SIGN SAID BECAUSE, BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE NAME OF THEIR BUSINESS.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THEY CAN'T GET A SIGN THAT ANYBODY CAN READ FROM THE STREET.
DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING TO A BETTER PLACE? I DO.
SO I ACTUALLY HAD A GREAT, UM, A TEST SUBJECT RECENTLY SO THAT, UM, I, I BELIEVE KNEW MAYBE THAT WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEY SAID, WE REALLY WANT SIGN.
AND THE SIGN THAT WAS PERMITTED WAS ABOUT THIS BIG AND, UH, BELOW MADISON ROAD.
AND SO I SAID, SEND ME WHAT YOU WANT AND I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO.
THEY, THE SIGN THEY SENT ME THAT THEY WANTED WAS, UH, TWO SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN THE A, BC WOULD ALLOW BY RIGHT.
AND HE SAID, NO PROBLEM, I'LL SHRINK IT.
AND SO HE SHRUNK IT TWO SQUARE FEET AND I THINK THE, UH, THE BALLPARK OF WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THIS RIGHT, 76 SQUARE FEET AND WHAT WAS PERMITTED TODAY WAS LIKE 14 SQUARE FEET.
IT WAS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL BECAUSE OF THE MAXIMUM LETTER LOGO.
HIS, THE W ON HIS PARTICULAR SIGN MAXED OUT WHAT HE DID.
HE WANTED HIS LOGO TO BE ASSISTANT.
SO, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO TEST OUT THE UBC AND WHAT, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET WANTED.
AND IT WAS ALMOST PERFECTLY ON TARGET.
SO, UM, I THINK ION DID GOOD JOB.
AND, AND SO THEY WERE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS WITH THAT THEN? YEAH.
I'LL HAVE TO TO FINISH OUT THAT PROCESS YEAH.
BUT WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE EBC OR AMERICORPS EXCEPTION, BUT, UM, THE GOOD NEWS IN THAT INSTANCE IS THEY WERE ALIGNED WITH, WITH THE DIRECTIONAL HEADING.
WHAT IF WE LAND ON THE GARAGE SALE SIGNS? YEAH.
SO, UH, BROADFIELD SIGNS, UM, IT'S A BIT OF A MISCONCEPTION.
SO A GARAGE SALE SIGN IS ALLOWED ON YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU CAN HAVE UP WITH THREE SIGNS OR ON YOUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT PER PERMITTED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY PERMITTED OFF PREMISE EITHER.
SO THERE IS A, UM, REALTOR SIGNS ALSO.
SO REALTOR SIGNS, UM, WOULD BE A, A SIMILAR SCENARIO.
SO THEY WILL BE ALLOWED ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR POTENTIALLY OFF PREMISE FOR THE OPEN HOUSE SIGNS.
SO, UM, THE OPEN HOUSE SIGNS HAVE BEEN, UH, RE RESTRICTED MORE WITHIN THE NBC.
SO, UM, THE, THE CURRENT CODE, I THINK THERE'S, UM, A, A QUESTION OF INTERPRETATION WHETHER OR NOT, UM, OPEN HOUSE SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE'S BEEN AN INTERPRETATION SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT THEY WERE, I THINK THEY'RE, THAT'S A QUESTION TO BE HAD.
UM, BUT YES, THEY ARE BECOMING MORE RESTRICTED WITH THE EDC BASED UPON OUR CURRENT CODE.
SO THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THERE THE CODE IS STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT THERE ARE NO SIGN ALLOWED WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS TO THAT ARE TOWN SIGNS
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OR, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNS BASICALLY.CAN WE CHANGE OPEN? I THINK THEY NEED, I I THINK IT'S A, IT IS AN OPTION.
I THINK WE COULD, UM, PROBABLY WANNA STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UM, CONTENT NEUTRAL.
IS OPEN HOUSE CONTENT NEUTRAL? YES.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO READ IT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S SAYING.
SO, SO IF YOU ALLOW FOR THAT, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW FOR OTHER THINGS.
SHE, BROAD SALES CAN TONIGHT, EVERYTHING.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 1 96? UH, OKAY.
CAN YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT AND SEE WHAT NUMBER IT SAYS IT MIGHT BE UNDER? IT'S UNDER THE TREE RESERVATION.
HOW ARE WE GONNA IMPLEMENT THIS? YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF LIKE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING PERMITS AND SO FORTH, HEARING OBVIOUSLY REPLACE, HOW ARE WE ENFORCING REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT? YEAH, SO, UM, THE, LUCKILY WE HAVE STAFF THAT'S OUT ALL THE TIME AND KNOWS HOW IMPORTANT TREES ARE.
AND SO, UM, WHEN THERE'S A TREE THAT'S BEING CUT DOWN AND IT'S, UH, DURING STAFFED HOURS, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT WHETHER I OR JANA KNOWS ABOUT IT WITHIN AN HOUR,
UM, AND USUALLY IT'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE RECORDING IT AND THEN WE GO AND ASSESS THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED SITUATION.
UM, WE HAD A SCENARIO, ACTUALLY IT WAS, UH, PROBABLY LAST MONTH WHERE THERE WAS A TREE THAT GOT CUT DOWN.
UM, AND SO NOW WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
SO OUR CODE COMPLIANCE TEAM AND THE PARKS TEAM HAD BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY, UM, PROBABLY FOR THE LAST, UH, CLOSE TO A YEAR NOW, REALLY WORKING ON, UM, BOTH, UH, TREE REPLACEMENT AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE COMPLIANCE.
UM, SO WE HAVE, WE'VE DEVELOPED OUR, OUR TEAMS HAVE DEVELOPED A REALLY, UH, GREAT RELATIONSHIP, A GREAT PROCESS TO TRACK THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING UP FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS, UM, RECENTLY WHERE I THINK ONE OF THE PROJECTS HAS LIKE 24 TREES THEY HAVE TO REPLACE AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO DO IN A COUPLE OF PHASES, UM, FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT.
UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING UP.
I APPRECIATE THAT LESLIE, ON THAT THOUGHT.
SOMEONE CUTS DOWN TREE, UM, AND THEN JUST DECIDES TO ASK FOR A FEW LATER.
UM, ARE WE CHARGING A FINE AND AND THE REQUIREMENT OF THAT REVIEW YOUR PLACE? SO WE, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT COULD BE PURSUED.
SO YOU COULD, FROM, SO ANYTIME A TREE IS REMOVED WITHOUT A PERMIT, YOU WERE IN A VIOLATION OF OUR ORDINANCE AND YOU COULD GET A CITATION FROM CODE, UM, ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MEETING COURT, THE JUDGE WOULD, WOULD ASSESS A FINE.
AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL OF, OF WHAT THAT COMPLIANCE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO THAT ITSELF IS, IS A BIT OF A PENALTY, UM, AND GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN, BUT AS FAR AS AN ADDITIONAL PENALTY ON TOP OF THAT, WE DO NOT HAVE ONE.
I THINK IT'S MORE OF A, A POLICY DISCUSSION OF 'CAUSE 'CAUSE IF YOU CITE THEM AND THEN ALSO CHARGE THEM A FEE, I THINK YOU WELL, BUT THE CITATION COULD HAVE A MONETARY YEAH, IT WOULD.
IN YEAH, IN MOST CASES IT WOULD.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IF WE'RE GOING TO ASSESS A PENALTY, I WOULDN'T ALSO RECOMMEND DOING A CITATION TO GIVE BESU DOING RECHARGING THROUGH A CITATION AND ASKING FOR A FINE AND THEY'RE ALSO CHARGING ANOTHER FINE HERE.
BUT THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO REPLACE THE TRADE.
WELL, NOT NECESSARILY A MUNICIPAL COURT FINE, IT'S JUST A FINE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLIANCE OR INJUNCTION THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH MUNICIPAL COURT, BUT WE WOULD STILL REQUIRE COMPLIANCE.
YEAH, IF THEY, IF THEY CUT THE TREE DOWN, THEY WOULD BE, IT WOULDN'T BE OUTTA, YEAH, IT
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WOULD BE OUTTA COMPLIANCE, BUT IT WOULDN'T GO ALONG WITH THAT CRIMINAL CITATION.SO THEN, SO THEN IF THEY DID COME COMPLIANCE WITH C, WE COULD ESCALATE AN ISSUE, ANOTHER CITATION OR, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.
SO THERE IS A, A PROCESS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE GET TO AND WE TO ESCALATE COMPLIANCE.
I, AND I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION ON PARKING.
UM, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HELP ME OUT WITH THIS, BUT I THINK CURRENTLY IF YOU'VE GOT A MULTI-TENANT CENTER AND IT'S EITHER DONE BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OR YOU KNOW, LIKE 60% OF THE SPACE OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS RESTAURANTS, CAN WE RAISE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT JUST TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MAYBE COMING AND GOING? ARE YOU PROPOSING GETTING RID OF THAT? THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY EXIST IN THE, UM, SO WHAT I THINK, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AND OUR CURRENT CODE WE DO, IF WE SAY THAT, UM, IF YOU'RE A MULTI-TENANT, YOU, YOUR PARKING RATIO ACTUALLY, UM, CHANGES FROM ONE 70 TO ONE TO 100 IF YOU'RE MULTI-TENANT.
AND THEN IF YOUR MULTI-TENANT HAS MORE THAN 60, I THINK IT'S 60%, YOU, YOU REVERT BACK TO THAT ONE TO 70, YOU ESSENTIALLY LOSE THE EXTRA PARKING THAT EARLY RATES THAT IS GIVEN BY SCENARIO.
BUT THAT IS NOT CARRIED FORWARD BECAUSE WE DECREASED THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION HERE? YEAH, I WAS ASKING IS BACK ON SLIDE 39 I THINK, AND IT WAS ABOUT THE MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION.
SO PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT WAS CALLED THAT IF SOMEBODY JUST WANTED A LARGER SUM, IT WAS A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION.
SO IS THIS ALTERNATIVE SIGN DESIGN FIT IF SOMEBODY FEELS LIKE THE CURRENT OR THE NEW SIGN SIZE IS STILL TOO SMALL FOR WHATEVER THEIR PURPOSE IS, DO THEY BRING IT TO COUNCIL UNDER THAT OR IS MERITORIOUS EXCEPTIONALLY GONE? UM, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY SERVING THE SAME PURPOSE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THAT IS, THIS IS THE AVENUE THAT, THAT SOMEONE WILL PURSUE IN ORDER TO REQUEST A LEARNER SIGN.
UM, AND THEN THOSE, THE CRITERIA, SO LIKE THE LAST THREE BULLETS OR SOME BULLETS, THOSE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT COUNCIL AND AND STAFF WOULD, WOULD EVALUATE, COUNCIL WOULD EVALUATE IN ORDER TO RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL OR FILE OF, OF THE REQUEST.
I'M NOT, I KNOW I HAD A HEARTBURN OVER CHICK-FIL-A AND THEIR PROBLEM FOR ME WAS THAT C IS SO BIG THAT IT MAKES THAT BIG RECTANGLE, BIGGER DISQUALIFIED.
SO THE DESIGN IS THE SAME, IT'S JUST THE SIZE AND THAT IS, AS LONG AS THAT COVERS IT, SOMEONE HAS A, A REQUEST FOR A LARGER SIGN OF LIKE, HAVE ABILITY TO BRING IT TO US.
AND, AND I GUESS, YEAH, SO THAT'S ANY, ANY ALTERNATIVE TIME DESIGN THAT DOES NOT IMPLY WITH OUR CODE THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING.
UM, SO REMINDER TO WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, TONIGHT BEEN, WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK, WELCOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK IF THERE IS ANY, SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND MAKE SOME, UH, POTENTIAL CHANGES AND, AND REINTRODUCE THOSE CHANGES TO YOU AT THE MARCH 25TH MEETING.
UM, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF THE BEST EXAMPLE IS THE TOWING SIGNS.
UM, AND, AND TYPICALLY WHAT I'LL SEE IS THEY'RE JUST KIND OF ATTACHED TO, YOU KNOW, ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF THING.
A LIGHT POLE, UM, UH, AN ENCLOSURE FOR A DUMPSTER, A BRICK WALL, UM, A HOTEL, UM, ACTUAL HOTEL BUILDING, THESE VARIOUS THINGS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I'LL SEE IS, IS THEY PUT THE, THEY PUT THE TOWING SIGN ON A, ON A DEDICATED POLE, AND THEN THE OVER OVER TIME AND WEATHER ELEMENTS, WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, REMOVES THE SIGN AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF JUST POLES SITTING THERE, UH, WITH NOTHING ON 'EM.
UM, DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING THAT, THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THOSE SITUATIONS? NO.
SO, AND YOU BROUGHT, KIND BROUGHT THAT UP TO YOU PREVIOUSLY AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING I WANTED TO, UH, ADD.
UM, THIS, IN OUR CURRENT CODE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A STANDARD OF PROHIBITED SIGNS, UM, FIXED TO TREES.
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AND THAT GOT, UM, REMOVED AND SO I'LL MAKE SURE I CAN ADD IT BACK INTO THE UVC.UM, BUT I DID LOOK, AND THERE IS NO PROHIBITION OF THAT.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT IS THAT THERE IS A, UH, FOR ATTACHED SIGNS, THERE IS A, UH, STANDARD RELATED TO HOW THEY ARE ATTACHED AND ESSENTIALLY JUST SAYS IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED PARALLEL TO THE SURFACE, THE BUILDING SURFACE.
UM, AND IT CAN'T PROJECT FURTHER THAN 18 INCHES FROM WHICH THEY'RE ATTACHED.
SO THERE'S NO STANDARD RELATED TO, UM, BEING AFFIXED TO MAYBE OTHER SERVICES.
UM, BUT WE, WE COULD EXPLORE THAT, LIKE WHAT, AND IF THERE'S, UM, SO YOU HAD SAID A POLE, UM, YEAH, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, LIGHT POLE, UH, A BUILDING AND BRICK WALL.
I'LL VERIFY FOR, I THINK THERE, I'M THINKING THOSE SIGNS MIGHT ACTUALLY FALL UNDER A DIFFERENT TOO, NOT, I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT IF, IF YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING LATER, I'D LOVE TO CIRCLE BACK TO THAT.
UM, AND, UH, QUESTION DISCUSSION.
SO I KIND THAT I, A QUESTION WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THE NONCONFORMITIES THAT OH YEAH, I MEAN IT WAS, YOU MENTIONED IT THAT, THAT THAT WHOLE FIRST PART OF THIS EVC WITH ALL THE NONCONFORMITY ISSUES, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE GONNA BECOME NON-CONFORMITY BECAUSE OF PASSING THIS? AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO BELL LISTED THEM? I I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW FAR REACHING THAT IS.
IS THIS A HANDFUL OR IS IT HUNDREDS OF PROPERTIES? YEAH.
UM, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I, UM, I GOT YOUR COMMENTS THIS AFTERNOON.
I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET LICENSE, I HAVE TO SEE.
SO YEAH, AND UNDER PROPERTIES THERE'S UM, THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES ON PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S NOT USES, UM, NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES, NON PERFORMING LOTS AND NON PERFORMING SITE FEATURES.
SO, UM, USES ARE OBVIOUSLY RELATED TO THE USE OF THE LAND OR PROPERTY.
A STRUCTURE IS TYPICALLY RELATED TO BULK REGULATION, SO SETBACK, BUILDING HEIGHT, THINGS THAT AREN'T EASILY MODIFIED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATION, REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND THEN NONCONFORMING LOSS, WHICH IS THE PHYSICAL PLAN AND PROPERTY.
I'LL NOTE THAT IN THIS, THIS STANDARD, IF YOU READ THAT IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IF THEY EXIST PRIOR TO THIS UBC, THEY DON'T BECOME NONCONFORMING.
UM, THEY, THEY JUST EXIST AS THEY ARE WILL CONTINUE TO THE REST OF TIME UNTIL THEY DON'T EXISTING ONE THROUGH
AND THEN NON-CONFORMING SITE FEATURES, THOSE ARE GONNA BE YOUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS LIKE PARKING, UH, LANDSCAPING, INTERIOR LIGHTING, VARIOUS ELEMENTS.
SO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS SHORT, WE DO NOT HAVE A LIST IN TERMS OF, AND IT WOULD LIKELY BE BE QUITE CHALLENGING TO DO THAT.
UM, GO, I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
UM, THEY'RE HIDDEN BUT THEY'RE LIKE THE NEXT COUPLE ONES.
SO, UM, SO TO ADDRESS THE USES WE'RE NOT, WE'RE CREATING A LOT MORE USE ALLOWANCES, SO IT'S UNLIKELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF NONCONFORMING USE SCENARIOS.
UH, I'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THE NONCONFORMING LOSS, BUT THEN LOOKING AT NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES AND NONCONFORMING SITE FEATURES, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE WE'RE NOT, UM, REZONING PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS NECESSARILY.
THOSE WILL REMAIN AS, AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS TODAY, WHICH GENERALLY HAVE OUR OWN UNIQUE STAND HERE, OWN UNIQUE ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, I THINK IT'S ABOUT LIKE FIVE OR SIX.
AND SO I'LL, I HAVE A MAP ON HERE THAT SHOWS THE BEFORE AND AFTER, UM, WELL I THOUGHT I PUT IT BACK IN THERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY WITH PDS ELIMINATED, UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN PINK ON THIS MAP IS PLANNED ELEMENT THAT DOESN'T GET REZONED.
UM, I, WE HAVE, WE DID THE ANALYSIS ON A, ABOUT A MAP SO YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE IT.
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BUT ESSENTIALLY ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S LEFT OVER THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR NONCONFORMITY, UM, AND A LOT OF THAT AREA IS GOING ACTUALLY BE AIRPORT SO THAT'S LEFT OVER.UM, SO YOU CAN START TO DWINDLE DOWN THE ACTUAL POSSIBILITY OF NONCONFORMITY AS COORDINATED AND WE CAN GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF KIND OF AS WE SHAVE AWAY STUFF THAT WE KNOW IS NOT GOING TO BE CREATED.
WELL DO WE HAVE A LOT THAT EXIST TODAY THAT ARE NOT IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF OUR PROPERTIES THAT EXIST TODAY? WELL, I MEAN, SORRY, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE I COME FROM AND WE HAD A CHURCH THAT WAS NONCONFORMING, SO IT WASN'T CONFORMING THEN AND IT STILL WOULDN'T BE I THINK IN THIS, BUT THEY HAVE, UH, SP SO I'M JUST WONDERING, DO WE HAVE PROPERTIES LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE TOWN THAT ARE CURRENTLY NONCONFORMING AND WE JUST REMAIN, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADDING MORE, BUT THIS CODE SEEMS REALLY RESTRICTED TO ME AND SO I JUST WONDER HOW MANY BUSINESSES WILL BE AFFECTED.
I GUESS NOT A LOT OF PROBLEM OR I, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, NO, BECAUSE I READ IT, I'M LIKE, WELL WHO'S THIS GONNA BE AFFECTING THAT NOW THE PROPERTIES ARE NONCONFORMING AND WHAT WILL BE THE RESULT WHEN THEY GO TO TRY AND SELL IT? I REALIZE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO USE IT AND IF THEY DON'T FIX IT, THEY CAN LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS IF THEY WANT TO GO FIX NOW EVERYTHING HAS TO DO FIXED, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, NOT NECESSARILY.
THERE ARE, THERE'S, THERE'S STANDARDS AND THRESHOLDS OUTLINED.
UM, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING IN CRISPR IS NON-CONFORMING.
IT EXISTS ANY LIKE, REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE DOESN'T TRIGGER CONFORMITY.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN CONTINUE, LIKE IF YOU NEED TO PAINT YOUR HOUSE OR YOU NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE REDO YOUR BATHROOM AS IT'S STATED, THOSE THINGS DON'T CREATE THE NEED FOR CONFORMITY.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO MAYBE ADD AN IN-LAW WHEN YOU ONTO YOUR HOME, THEN THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY TRIGGER NON OR TRIGGER QUALITY.
UM, IT'S MORE OF LIKE A REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIO WHERE YOU'RE REINVESTING A OUT.
UM, I ALSO, I'LL NOTE THAT MOST OF OUR RESIDENTIAL, ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UM, WERE CREATED IN A WAY THAT THEY'RE KIND OF A TRANSFER.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE MIMICKED OUR EXISTING DISTRICTS AND UM, KIND OF KEPT THEM AND REGAIN THEM, UM, TO, FOR, FOR BETTER RECEIVE THOSE NAMES.
NOW WE HAVE R ONE TO THREE INSTEAD OF A R 1 2 16.
UM, AND SO THOSE SHOULD NOT CREATE ANY NON-CONFORMITY UNLESS IT ALREADY EXISTS TODAY.
SO WHEN I WAS, I JUST REMEMBER THE WORD ALL THREE IT SAID ON ONE OF THE CODES, AND I DID SEND THAT MESSAGE TO YOU THAT IF YOU ALTERED IT, THAT YOU COULDN'T ALTER IT.
AND SO LIKE YOU'RE SAYING NOW, IF I WANTED TO READ YOUR BATHROOM IN MY HOUSE, I CAN DO THAT IN PERMANENT AND I CAN DO IT IN MY HOUSE.
WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE NON, BUT IF SOMETHING WAS NON-CONFORMING, MAKE AN UPDATE A BATHROOM AND JUST GET A PERMIT TO DO IT, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING THE CONCRETE TO THE NEW STANDARD.
SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO IN THAT SCENARIO, THEY SHOULD BE FINE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO REDO THEIR BATHROOM, THEY SHOULD TRIP
UM, WHERE IT WOULD BECOME AN ISSUE, UM, IS IF THEY SAID, I WANNA DO AN ADDITION ONTO MY HOME AND I WANNA MAKE MY, YOU KNOW, 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, 2,800 SQUARE FEET, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY DO THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
BUT IN TERMS OF, OF, IN MAYBE UPDATING THE INTERIOR, UM, ONCE AGAIN MOVED, YOU MENTIONED PAINTING, MAYBE YOU NEED A REPLACE YOUR GARAGE S DOOR, YOU CAN DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
ALTER IS, UM, THAT TERM IS REALLY PULLED FROM THE BUILDING CODE IN TERMS OF COMMON LANGUAGE USED FOR THAT.
BUT IT'S, THE INTENT OF IT IS IF YOU'RE INCREASING THE DEGREE OF NONCONFORMING.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE AFFECTED AND SO YOU, I I CAN GET YOU AMOUNT THAT SHOWS YOU THE AREAS WHERE IS LIKELY POSSIBLE.
UM, AND WE CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, CONTEXT TO THAT.
UH, I THOUGHT, I APOLOGIZE AND THOUGHT I PUT IT IN THE SLIDE, IT HIT, UM, BUT IN TERMS OF PROVIDING A LIST OF EVERY PROPERTY AND NOT BEFORE THAT WOULD BE CREATED, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A FEASIBLE OKAY, WELL I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE KNEW OR NOT.
AND IF WE VOTE ON THIS THEN WE SHOULD BE PUTTING A LOT OF PROPERTIES INTO THAT STATUS.
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PROBABLY IN THE BALLPARK OF AM I'M GONNA THROW A NUMBER OUT IN TERMS OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR NON, WE'RE PROBABLY AROUND 40% AND THAT DOESN'T, I'M NOT SAYING THAT ALL 40% ARE NOTWHAT ELSE, LESLIE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SO, SO WE'RE GONNA, WHAT WE'RE, THIS IS GONNA COME BACK TO US ON THE 25TH.
YEAH, SO, UM, YEAH, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR FEEDBACK AND IT'S FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO DO AND I KNOW I PROBABLY HAVE A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE OFFLINE, UM, AS WELL, UH, WITH YOU ALL.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL BRING BACK A UPDATED UVC QUICK CHANGES AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO PROVIDE THAT RIGHT LINE.
UM, AND IF YOU, THE CONVEYOR, UM, REVIEW IS STILL OPEN, I SENT THAT LINK OUT AGAIN TODAY.
IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT OR WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANYTHING, FEEL FREE TO ADD COMMENTS AND WE WILL, UM, PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO COMMENT AND ADDRESS ANY QUALIFICATIONS I WOULD MAKE
ALRIGHT EVERYBODY, WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT TWO, UM, ACTION ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE VERY BRIEF.
UH, ARE Y'ALL OKAY WITH JUST KNOCKING THOSE OUT REAL QUICK AND ANYBODY NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? VERY, I'M VERY BRIEF REAL QUICK.
[a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving an agreement with Gutter Solutions of Texas, LLC for exterior repairs at the Addison Athletic Club and authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement for an amount not to exceed $76,135.33. ]
WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO THESE TWO ITEMS. UH, ITEM ONE, A PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, GUTTER SOLUTIONS OF TEXAS LLC FOR EXTERIOR REPAIRS AT THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $76,135 33 CENTS.BILL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL.
BILL HOLLY, DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES.
OUR FIRST ITEM IS ATHLETIC CLUB EXTERIOR REPAIRS.
SO LATE 2024, EARLY 2025, UH, ANALYSIS OF DISCOLORATION ON THE TRACK WALL, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR REVEALED THE POSSIBLE PRESENCE OF MOLD.
SO WE IDENTIFIED A CONTRACTOR TO COME OUT AND TEST THAT FOR US, AND IT DID COME BACK AS POSITIVE.
SO, UH, THEN HIRED A SPECIALIZED CREW.
IF YOU EVER WONDERED WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEHIND CURTAINS THERE AT THE, AT THE TRACK, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON BACK THERE.
ANYTIME YOU'RE DEALING INVOLVED, YOU HAVE TO BE A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL AND TECHN LOT PRECAUTIONS, THEY COMES IN, INSPECT YOU AND SUCH.
SO THE CREW SUITED UP, THEY REMOVED ALL THE MATERIALS, WHICH INCLUDED THE SHEET ROCK TO INSULATION WITHIN THE WALLS.
THEY HAD THE HEPA FILTERS AND VACUUMING, AND THEN THEY HAD TO APPLY MATERIAL ON IT TO MAKE SURE THEY GOT ALL THE MOLD OUT IT TESTED, UH, NEGATIVE.
UH, THEN WE WERE ABLE TO THEN LOOK AT WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF, UH, THE SOURCE OF THE WATER.
AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS ABOUT 35 40 FEET UP ON THE WALL WHERE THE BRICK MEETS THE, THE DECORATIVE, UH, STONE CAP.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE, THE PICTURE ON THE, THE RIGHT THERE ARE SMALL PORTIONS WHERE THAT MORTAR HAS FAILED.
AND UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS LIKE WE HAD OVER THIS MORNING, UH, WATER RUNS DOWN THAT STONE AND THEN IS, IS DRIVEN INTO THE WALL AND DROPS BACK INTO THE WALL.
AND OVER TIME, THAT ALLOWS THE CONDITION FOR MUL MULTIPLE WINDOWS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, THE WATER ALSO CAUSED SOME DAMAGE TO THE EXTERIOR SHEETING IS WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
SO THAT, UH, IF YOU SEE THE, THE METAL THERE, UM, TOWARDS US IS, UH, WHERE THE SHEET ROCK WOULD'VE BEEN, THAT CAVITY IS WHERE THE INSULATION WOULD BE, AND THEN THAT SHEETING IS ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT THEN THERE'S AN AIR GAP BETWEEN THAT AND THE BRICK.
SO THAT'S ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S 40, 41 YEARS OLD OR SO, AND IT HAD ACTUALLY BEEN DAMAGED BY WATER ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY BACK THEN AS THE MOISTURE PROTECTION THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN NOW.
SO THE UM, UM, THE ISSUE BECAME THAT THAT LACKED STRUCTURAL, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND WOULD CONTINUE TO LIFT MOISTURE INTO A WALL.
SO WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE BRICK ON THE PORTIONS OF THAT WALL, REPLACE THE SHEETING, PUT PROPER MOISTURE BARRIER ON THERE AND THEN TURN THE BRICK BACK INTO PLACE.
SO I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO SEE THAT BUILDING, BEAUTIFUL BUILDING ON KIRBY ROAD.
IT'S HARD TO TELL WHICH DIRECTION THINGS FACE OR GO, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER WEST FACING TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY GARDEN, WHICH
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IS THE FAR SIDE OF, UH, OF THE BASKETBALL GYM, SECOND FLOOR TRACK.SO THERE'S 37 FEET ON EACH, UH, THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ON THAT WALL THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
AND THEN ABOUT 20 FEET DOWN THE SOUTH WALL, AND THEN 20 FEET DOWN THE NORTH WALL GOING 20 FEET DOWN.
THE NORTH WALL ALSO ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS A CONDITION WHERE THERE WERE SOME DRYER REPAIRS THAT, UH, HAD FAILED.
AND THAT'LL ALLOW US TO REPAIR THAT BRICK PUT IN CONTROL JOINT, UM, SO THAT IF THERE IS FUTURE EXPANSION CONTRACTION, THAT THAT WILL, UH, THAT WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEX AS OPPOSED TO, TO DAMAGING THE BRICK.
UM, IT'S A PROFESSIONAL CREW THAT WILL, THEY WILL COME OUT AND DO THAT.
THEY'LL TAKE IT DOWN SECTIONS AT A TIME, REPLACE THE SHEETING AND PUT THAT CREW BACK UP AND JUST MOVE IT AROUND THE BUILDING.
AS THEY DO THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO LEAVE THE TRACK OPEN BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A THIN FILM OF PLASTIC BETWEEN, UH, THE OUTSIDE WHEN THAT BRICK IS OFF THE OUTSIDE WORLD AND THE TRACK.
AND IF THAT BRICK WERE TO SOMEHOW GO THE WRONG DIRECTION AND SOMEBODY WERE ON THAT TRACK, IT WOULDN'T BE A POSSIBLE CONDITION, PUT IT OUT.
SO, SO ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, WE WILL ISSUE A NOTICE TO PROCEED.
THEY'RE READY TO GO WITHIN JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS.
UM, TWO WEEKS WORTH OF WORK IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE, PLUS ANY WEATHER DELAYS.
AND THEN ONCE THAT, UM, BRICK, THE SHEETING IS REPAIRED, THE BRICK IS PLACED BACK UP ON THE INSIDE, WE'LL HAVE APPROVED KIND OF FOLLOWING THAT ON THE INSIDE, UH, AND REPAIRING THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY, THEY KIND OF WRAP IT UP WITH JUST A, A LITTLE BIT OF A FOLLOW BEHIND.
BUT WE CANNOT DO THE INTERIOR WORK UNTIL EXTERIOR DRY.
WILL THAT INTERIOR WORK BE THROUGH ANOTHER CONTRACT? YES, IT, YES IT WOULD.
SO THE, THE MOLD REMEDIATION ITSELF, UH, CO-OP CONTRACTORS, THEY'RE UNDER 50,000.
UM, SO WE IDENTIFIED THEM THROUGH THE CO-OPS.
THEY, THEY'VE DONE OTHER FANTASTIC WORK FOR THE TOWN.
AND THEN THAT SAME COMPANY ALSO HAS A PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AFTER IT'S BEEN REMEDIATED THROUGH.
AND THOSE ARE ALSO GOING UP IN THIS HOUSE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE THOSE HERE.
AND THIS, THIS, THIS AREA, THIS CONDITION HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE RECENT RESTORATIONS AND RENOVATIONS AT THE CENTER? NO.
I MEAN THERE'S, UM, AND, AND
SO WE, WE LOVE THE ART THAT WAS ON THAT WALL.
WHEN YOU HAVE VINYL ON AN EXTERIOR WALL, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THAT DOES TEND TO HOLD MOISTURE.
SO THE BULK OF THE MOLD WAS BEHIND THAT.
THAT DID NOT CAUSE IT, IT JUST CONTRIBUTED THE, THE WATER WAS THERE, THE CONDITIONS WERE THERE THAT JUST DIDN'T BREATHE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT HAD MORE ABILITY TO GROW.
SO, UH, THERE IS DISCUSSION OF, OF SOMETHING GOING BACK ON THAT WALL, BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD HINDER MOISTURE FROM.
SO THAT ALLOWED IT TO KIND OF SHOW ITS FACE, BUT IT DIDN'T CAUSE IT.
AND BILL, THOSE TWO COMPONENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOLD REMEDIATION AND RENOVATION AFTERWARDS.
BOTH OF THOSE COMBINED, ARE THOSE UNDER 50,000? NO.
ONE IS, ONE IS 42 AND THE OTHERS ARE SIX.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING THOSE THAT THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE, UH, WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEPARATE.
UM, I MEAN ONE WAS THAT, UH, WAS THE REMOVAL AND THAT'S THE ONE PORTION OF A COMPANY.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS, IS, UH, A SEPARATE CONTRACT, SEPARATE AGREEMENT.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THANK YOU NANCY, FOR THE SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? AND ITEM ONE A IS ONE A IS APPROVED, UH, ONE B
[b. Present, discuss, and consider action on an amendment to the agreement with Gliden Industries for Construction Manager at Risk Services for the Addison Conference Center Remodel Project (R24-104) and authorize the City Manager to sign the amendment.]
PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH GLIDE AND INDUSTRIES FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK SERVICES FOR THE ADDISON CONFERENCE CENTER, REMODEL PROJECT R 24 DASH 1 0 4 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE AMENDMENT.BILL, UH, BILL, HONOR DIRECTOR GENERAL SERVICES.
SO ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024, THE COUNCIL APPROVED R 24 DASH 1 0 4, DESIGNATED LIGHTING INDUSTRIES AS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT BRI FOR THE ADDISON CONFERENCE AND THEATER CENTER.
AND, UM, THOMAS STEWART, SORRY, THOMAS.
THOMAS STEWART, UH, WITH LINE INDUSTRIES IS, UH, IS WITH US.
AND I YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, FOR HIM AS
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WELL.SO A AS YOU'LL RECALL, UH, THAT, UH, DESIGNATED THEM AS THEIR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK AND PROVIDED, UM, A FEE FOR THEM FOR THOSE SERVICES.
UH, THE TOWN, THE ARCHITECT ON PROJECT
SO TONIGHT IS, UH, UH, GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, WHICH IS THEIR FEES.
THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, SOME ALLOWANCES AND SOME CONTINGENCIES, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO YOU CAN MOVE THAT A LITTLE BIT UP.
SO, UH, BACK IN, IN NOVEMBER IS A VERY LENGTHY CONTRACT, AND THEN IT, IT HAS A SECTION WHERE WE INDICATED WE WOULD COME BACK AND AMEN THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
SO THERE'S THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE.
UH, I'M GONNA JUMP A LITTLE BIT AHEAD.
TWO AND TWO AND THREE REFLECT THE, UH, THE FEES PAID TO GLIDING FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS PROJECT, WHICH Y'ALL APPROVED BACK IN UH, NOVEMBER.
AND THEN ONE, UH, ITEM ONE IS THE, THE SUBCONTRACTOR'S COSTS, UM, AGGREGATED PLUS OF SOME ALLOWANCES.
IF, IF YOU READ DEEPER INTO THE PACKAGE, YOU SEE WE HAVE SOME ALLOWANCES, BUT NOT ALL OF OUR EXACT DESIGNS ARE DONE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
WE WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AS WE MOVE INTO THE PROJECTS.
AND THEN FOUR AND FIVE ARE CONTINGENCIES BECAUSE MOST PROJECTS HAVE UNKNOWNS ONCE YOU START GETTING INTO INTO WALLS.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE OWNERS MAY WANT TO CHANGE, UM, CHANGE A CERTAIN ALIGNMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THE COSTS.
SO ALL COMBINED, UH, JUST UNDER THE BUDGET OF 1.5 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION.
AND THEN AS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GARDNER ASKED IN HIS COUNCIL QUESTION, UH, THE OVERALL PROJECT IS 2 MILLION.
SO 1.5 RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION.
THE OTHER FIVE IS FURNITURE, FIXTURE AND EQUIPMENT, WHICH THEN STAFF WILL, STAFF WILL ACQUIRE AND PROVIDE THOSE AS PART OF THE PROJECT OUT OF THAT REMAINING 500,000.
UH, SO NEXT STEP, IF THIS IS APPROVED, UM, ISSUE A NOTICE TO PROCEED.
UH, THE, UH, BUILDING PERMIT IS ANTICIPATED TOMORROW AND THEN, UH, THEY WILL START WORKING NEXT MONDAY.
UM, WHETHER US A POTENTIAL COMPLETION OF AUGUST 31ST.
AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME UNKNOWN CON CONDITIONS THAT WE RUN INTO OR WE ASK FOR CHANGE ORDERS THAT ADD A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, WE NEGOTIATE THAT AS THEY HAPPEN AND THAT TIMELINE FACTORS IN THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE ACCESS TO THE SITE FOR A WEEK OR SO AT TAKES AND ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AROUND FOR TOWN.
SO, UM, AND THEN JUST A NOTE, AND IT HAPPENED ONE MEETING EARLIER THAT PLEASURE, OUR MEETING
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY GOOD QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MARLON, I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION TO HELP YOURS AS A SECOND, CHRIS.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, RIGHT? AYE, ANY OPPOSED? ALL ITEM ONE B IS APPROVED.
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LAST ITEM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO, UH, EXPRESS.THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS, CONDOLENCES AND SO FORTH.
EVERYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A BIG, UH, PAT ON THE BACK AND, UH, THANK YOU TO ALL THE TOWN STAFF THAT WAS ALL HANDS ON DECK TODAY AFTER THAT CRAZY WINDSTORM THAT CAME THROUGH LAST NIGHT.
SAW THEM EVERYWHERE TODAY AND THEY'RE STILL OUT THERE, I'M SURE RIGHT NOW DOING, DOING ALL THE, ALL THE HARD WORK.
AND I JUST GOT NOTIFICATION OF MY POWERS BACK OUT AT MY HOUSE AGAIN.
YOU HEARD THE WIND IN THE FIREPLACE, BUT, UH, BUT I KNOW THAT THE CREWS ARE OUT THERE DOING GREAT WORK AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, THEY WERE TREATED TO FLETCHER'S CORN DOGS, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION.
SO I LOVE THAT WE, UH, EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS GOING ON, WE TAKE THE, TAKE THAT TIME AND SHOW APPRECIATION TO OUR AMAZING, UH, STAFF AND EMPLOYEES.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM, FROM ANYBODY? ALRIGHT, IT IS EIGHT 10 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE NIGHT.