[1. Call Meeting to Order]
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ALL RIGHT, LET'S, UH, LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[1. Consider action on the minutes from the November 6, 2024 Comprehensive Plan Advisory Committee Meeting.]
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 6TH MEETING.DID ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE, TO THE MINUTES? RIGHT? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION.
WHO SAID THAT OVER THERE? DENISE, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
[2. Present and discuss the revised draft Comprehensive Plan and review process. ]
WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE PLAN IN SOME, IN SOME FORM.LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
UM, BEFORE WE JUMP IN, UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT, UM, THAT MOVING FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS, UH, WE HAVE, UH, STAFFS MADE THE DECISION TO, UM, MOVE INTO THE PRIMARY PROJECT MANAGEMENT ROLE FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT MEANS THAT, UM, OUR CONSULTANT, WHICH HAS BROUGHT US TO THIS POINT AND PUT US IN A VERY, UM, POSITIVE POSITION TO GET PAST THE FINISH LINE, WILL NOT BE, UM, INVOLVED MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UM, EXCITED TO HAVE MYSELF AND THE PLANNING TEAM, INCLUDING COREY AND JADE, UM, WITH YOUR ALL HELP AND THE PUBLIC HELP PUBLIC'S HELP AS WELL, UM, GET US PAST THE FINISH LINE.
SO, JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, AND THEN A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS, UM, THAT I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT TONIGHT WE REALLY, WE HAVE A, A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE, THE CHANGES YOU'LL SEE FROM THE ORIGINAL DRAFT FROM NOVEMBER TO THE CURRENT DRAFT, WHICH WAS RELEASED TO YOU ALL AT THE END OF LAST WEEK.
UM, AND THEN HAVE SEVERAL POLLING QUESTIONS.
AND THOSE POLLING QUESTIONS WILL BE HEAVILY BASED UPON THE NOVEMBER DRAFT.
'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT, UM, YOU GUYS DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE TIME TO THOROUGHLY REVIEW THE MOST RECENT DRAFT.
UM, SO WE WANNA GAIN YOUR FEEDBACK AND WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH VARIOUS, UM, TOPICS RELATED TO THE PLAN.
SO, WITH THAT, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, JUMP IN.
UH, SO THIS EVENING WE'RE GONNA REVIEW AND CHAT ABOUT THE TIMELINE A BIT, UM, AND REVIEW, AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE CHANGES FROM THE FIRST TO SECOND DRAFT OF THE COMP PLAN, AS WELL AS COLLECT FEEDBACK VIA SOME LIVE POLLING.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO REVIEW THE NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD IN THE PROJECT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PHASE FIVE, OR THE PRIORITIZED PHASE, AND UNDER REFINEMENT OF THE PLAN DRAFT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE TIMELINES HAVE SHIFTED WHERE WE'RE NOW ANTICIPATING, UM, AND ADOPTION LATER THIS YEAR IN AUGUST.
SO THOSE DATES ARE A LITTLE OUTDATED THERE.
AND SO, KIND OF WHAT THE TIMELINE MOVING FORWARD LOOKS LIKE IS STAFF MOVING INTO THAT PRIMARY PROJECT MANAGEMENT ROLE AND UPDATING THE DOCUMENT, MOVING INTO OUR THIRD DRAFT AFTER REVIEW.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE ANTICIPATING AN ADDITIONAL CPAC MEETING.
UH, WE REALLY WANT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO PROVIDE, UH, FEEDBACK ON A, UM, A DRAFT, A NEW DRAFT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW, UM, PRIOR TO MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE ANTICIPATING KEEPING OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 25TH, UM, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WITH A POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION FROM CPAC IN APRIL, UH, DATE TO BE DETERMINED.
UH, WE ARE, WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC REVIEW, UM, OPPORTUNITY, UH, IN MAY, AND THEN IN PREPARATION FOR POTENTIAL, UM, ADOPTION AND CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION IN FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL MOVING INTO LATE SUMMER AND EARLY FALL.
YES, AND, UH, JUST AS A QUICK FYI, UH, WE WILL NOT BE HERE BECAUSE WE, THERE'S, UH, WILL BE A
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RENOVATION HAPPENING IN THIS BUILDING.WE WILL LIKELY BE AT THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB, SO PLEASE NOTE THAT, AND WE'LL BE CLEAR TO SEND THAT OUT VIA, UM, EMAIL TO REMIND YOU ALL AS WELL AS THAT MEETING DATE APPROACHES.
SO STAFF DID, UM, REVIEW, OBVIOUSLY THE NOVEMBER DRAFT AS WELL AS CPAC.
AND THEN, UH, WE'RE ALSO IN THE MIDST OF REVIEWING THE CURRENT SECOND DRAFT.
NOW, THERE WAS A WIDE VARIETY OF CHANGES.
I THINK ON THE FIRST DRAFT WE HAD, UM, OVER A THOUSAND COMMENTS.
SO IT WAS 1,344, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
UH, WE DID, UM, WORKED, UH, WITH VIRGINITY TO CATEGORIZE THOSE VARIOUS EDITS AND IDENTIFY WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO.
UM, ALL OF THOSE 13 OR SO, A HUNDRED COMMENTS DID NOT GET FULLY INCORPORATED AND ADDRESSED.
HOWEVER, UM, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THEM GET, DID GET ADDRESSED IN THE SECOND DRAFT.
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO INCORPORATE THOSE AS WE, UH, WORK TOWARDS A THIRD DRAFT.
SO, UM, ON THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE, UH, SCREENSHOT OR AN IMAGE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WHICH WAS THE NOVEMBER DRAFT.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE JANUARY DRAFT, THE UPDATED PAGE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, SOME OF THEM HAVE SOME TEXTS, SOME STAFF EDITS BASED UPON THE SECOND DRAFT.
YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT HAVE CHANGED PRETTY, UM, OR NOTABLY HAVE CHANGED, IS THEY'VE ADDED, UM, NOTABLE CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENTS.
THOSE MAY EVOLVE A BIT AND NOTES IN MANY PLACES.
KIND OF TYING BACK TO EARLIER CONCEPTS.
UM, WE'RE HOPING TO SIMPLIFY THAT IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S REAL, A BENEFICIAL ADDITION TO THE DOCUMENT, BUT CAN MAKE THE PAGE A LITTLE CLUTTERED.
SO SOME OTHER, UM, HERE'S JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME EDITS THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING INCORPORATING AS WELL.
UM, A COUPLE OF IMPORTANT NOTES.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A COUPLE LONG RANGE PLANNING, UM, OPPORTUNITIES AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS ONGOING, LIKE THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT KICKED OFF A FEW WEEKS AGO.
SO WE WANNA BE SURE TO INCORPORATE THOSE COMMENTS INTO THE PLAN AS WELL, AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALIGNED, UM, AS WELL AS A MASTER WAYFINDING, UH, PLAN AND REFRESHING OUR DEMOGRAPHIC DATA AND, UH, MAKING SURE IT'S GENERALLY ALIGNED TO ELIMINATE FURTHER REDUNDANCY.
SO, LOOKING AT THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER, HERE'S, UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE TRANSITION BETWEEN DRAFT ONE AND TWO, UM, WITH STAFF'S EDITS.
AND THEN MOVING ON TO HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS TOPIC REGARDING, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD TYPOLOGY AND CONNECTED NEIGHBORHOODS, OR, EXCUSE ME, COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS, DID HAVE QUITE A FEW COMMENTS FROM CPAC.
UH, WE WANNA CONTINUE TO REFINE THIS SECTION AND, AND HOPE TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL THIS EVENING ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT.
AND THEN HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN THE MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY SHOWING VARIOUS OPPORTUNITIES FOR MULTIMODAL, UH, TRANSPORTATION.
SO, UH, THIS GRAPHIC WAS IMPROVED PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY TO INCORPORATE ALL THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO INCORPORATE MULTIMODAL ON ANY OF OUR ROADWAYS IN ADDISON.
ALRIGHT, UM, SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN, UH, OR SORRY, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND JUMP INTO THE LIVE POLLING ON MARCH 9TH MAR FOR THE MEETING? MARCH 27TH.
SOME SOMEHOW SOMEBODY SAID 25, RIGHT? 25.
SO CAN YOU CONFIRM? 27TH IS THURSDAY.
I, WHEN I SENT IT OUT, THEY SAID THE 27TH, BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE 25TH.
I COULD HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT A COUNCIL MEETING.
DID YOU ALL GET AN INVITE? DID YOU ALL GET AN INVITE FROM ME JUST NOW? YES.
AND WHATEVER WE HAVE PLANNED FOR APRIL, IT'D BE REALLY GREAT, EVEN IF IT'S TENTATIVE TO GET THAT ON EVERYBODY'S CALENDARS, BECAUSE I'M SCHEDULING THINGS IN APRIL, AND I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE HERE ARE SCHEDULING THINGS IN APRIL.
SO WE'VE GOTTA, I KNOW YOU HAVE ISSUES PICKING A DATE, BUT EVEN IF WE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULE IT AND WE GET IT ON, WE CAN CHANGE IT.
BUT WE, IT, IT IS GREATLY HELPFUL FOR ME, AND I'M SURE OTHERS TO GET THESE THINGS ON OUR CALENDAR AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
WHO IS THE PRIMARY AUTHOR OF THE
YEAH, IT'S A VERY, IT'S BEEN A VERY
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COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.SO IF YOU MAY NOTICE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF CONTENT IN THE PLAN THAT'S TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM ACTIVITIES AND ENGAGEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN PART OF THE PLAN, THERE'S THE, THE TYPOLOGIES, LIKE THESE PAGES, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE ACTUALLY VOTED ON, YOU ALL VOTED ON WHAT YOU FELT LIKE WOULD BE A REPRESENTATION OF THOSE VARIOUS PLACE TYPES.
SO THOSE, THE, THE CONTENT FROM THOSE POLLS WAS TAKEN AND ACTUALLY INCORPORATED.
UM, AS FAR AS THE TEXT, UM, THE CONSULTANT, UM, WROTE A LOT OF IT.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY LIKE THE VISION STORY, WHICH WAS A VERY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
UM, AND OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS THE MARKET REPORT AND SO FORTH WERE WRITTEN BY SOME OF THE SUB CONSULTANTS AND WITH SUPPORT, UM, FROM STUDIES THAT THEY CONDUCTED AND VARIOUS, UH, FOCUS GROUPS THAT WAS CONDUCTED.
SO I WOULD SAY THUS FAR TO THIS POINT, THE PRIMARY OFF AUTHOR WAS, WAS THE CONSULTANT WITH A LOT OF COLLABORATION,
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE JUMP, JUMP IN? ALRIGHT, SO YOU'LL NEED YOUR CELL PHONES, UM, FOR THIS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OUR, IT, UM, HAS A IPAD, IF THAT'S EASIER FOR ANY OF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO USE THAT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS.
ONCE AGAIN, UM, THESE ARE PRIMARILY RELATED TO THE NOVEMBER DRAFT.
IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE DECEM, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE JANUARY THE SECOND DRAFT, FEEL FREE TO ADD THAT TO YOUR SENTIMENT.
SO IF YOU, YOU CAN EITHER, UH, SCAN THE QR CODE UP HERE IN THE CORNER, OR IF YOU GO TO SLIDO.COM THERE, YOU'LL TYPE IN THE, UM, THE CODE.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE MOVE FORWARD.
I BELIEVE YOUR CONTROL, WHAT IS THIS? YEAH, THANKS.
YEAH, PROBABLY EVERYONE WILL ANSWER.
YEAH, IT'S JUST A, YEAH, IT'S A LIVE POLL SO WE CAN SEE EVERYONE'S RESULTS COLLECTIVELY.
UM, WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE A DISCUSSION DRIVEN POLLING.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ALL ARE, BUT, UH, WE ALSO WANT US TO BE, UM, TO GENERATE SOME DISCUSSION AND, AND COLLECT YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK AS WELL.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE NOVEMBER ONE.
WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS COMING UP IN ANOTHER QUESTION.
IN TERMS OF SATISFACTION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE DRAFT THAT WAS IN NOVEMBER, UM, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A PART OF THAT PLAN THAT SAID, YEAH, THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
UM, THAT WAS THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
THE MASTER TRAILS PLAN, I THINK IT WAS THE AIRPORT.
AND IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME THAT WE, UM, THAT WE REALLY HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION, FOR EXAMPLE, AS TO HOW OUR DISCUSSIONS IN THIS ROOM DOVETAIL WITH THOSE OTHER PLANS.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, WHAT DOES THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN SAY ABOUT BELTLINE? AND MIDWAY WHEN WE LISTENED TO A CONSULTANT TELL US, WE SHOULD SHUT THOSE DOWN AND PUT IN MEDIANS.
AND, AND THAT SENTIMENT WAS IN THE, IN THE FIRST DRAFT IN NOVEMBER, IT WAS, WHERE POSSIBLE DO THESE THINGS HEAD ON PARKING IN THE MIDDLE? AND THE QUESTION, PART OF THE QUESTION THAT I'VE HAD IS, FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE EVER DECIDED THAT ISSUE SO THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE REPORT.
BUT WHAT ISSUES DO WE HAVE THAT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT? I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE BENEFIT FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING THE STAFF, UM, MEET WITH US WITHOUT THE CONSULTANT AND BRIEF US ON THESE OTHER PLANS, KIND OF SUMMARIZE 'EM, THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE PARKS AND TRAILS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND HOW IT DOVETAILS WITH ISSUES OF WALKABILITY OR OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN THE PLAN.
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FOR ME, THE NOVEMBER PLAN WAS DISAPPOINTING IN THAT I THOUGHT IT DIDN'T REALLY APPLY A LOT TO ADDISON.IT, IT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT CAPTURED US.
UM, I THINK, UH, I THINK THE CONSULTANT READ A BOOK THAT HE REALLY LIKED AND, AND HE WROTE A THESIS DEFENDING THAT BOOK.
I MEAN, HE GAVE US A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE AND SO FORTH, BUT THERE WAS A CLEAR, UH, ROADMAP TO WHERE I THINK, I THINK WE READ SORT OF KEVIN'S VISION FOR ADDISON.
I'M NOT SURE IT WAS THIS COMMITTEE'S, MAYBE I'M MISREADING THAT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD IS A CHANCE TO SORT OF DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES HOW WE RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
WE'VE DONE SOME PARTICIPATORY EXERCISES AND SO FORTH.
BUT HAVE WE REALLY DEBATED AS A COMMITTEE IN A, IN A, TO A SUFFICIENT DEGREE, THAT ALLOWS US TO REALLY SAY, OKAY, COUNSEL, YOU TASKED US WITH PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS REPORT, AND WE, WE RECOMMEND IT.
NOW MAYBE I'M MISREADING THAT THOSE ARE KIND OF MY VIEWS.
I THOUGHT, UM, FOR THAT REASON, I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THE NOVEMBER REPORT.
UM, ARE WE BAND-AIDING IT? ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SITUATIONS IN MY CAREER WHERE I WROTE SOMETHING PLEADING AND, AND IT WAS BRUTAL.
NOW LET ME WRITE IT THE CORRECT WAY.
NOW I SEE HOW NOT TO WRITE IT.
NOW LET ME WRITE IT THE CORRECT WAY.
ARE WE IN THAT SITUATION? OR IS THIS A REPORT THAT CAN BE SALVAGED OR BANDAIDED OR CHANGED OR MODIFIED? IS IT, IS IT, DOES IT FLOW? DOES IT, DOES IT GET THE MESSAGE THAT WE WANNA SEND, THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE WANNA SEND TO THE COUNCIL? SO I THROW THAT OUT THERE.
UM, SOME THOUGHTS THAT I'VE HAD, SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD.
AND, UM, I, I WELCOME DISCUSSION.
UM, LET ME, LET ME GO TO DAVE, THEN CONRAD, AND THEN TYLER.
UM, I THINK WE'VE ALL HAD SIDEBAR DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS.
I WOULD SUPPORT SUE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
I MAY NOT AGREE WITH SOME OF HER VIEWS ON THINGS, BUT I THINK THE OVERARCHING POINT IS, AND I SUSPECT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE STANDING UP HERE TONIGHT, UM, THERE WAS A SENSE THAT WE WERE BEING DEALT WITH AS A LECTURE HALL, AND THAT THE CONSULTANT, A LECTURE HALL, THE CONSULTANT WAS REALLY PUSHING HIS VIEW.
AND AGAIN, IT'S EASY TO CRITICIZE.
BUT, UM, MY COMMENTS IN THE DRAFT WERE VERY MUCH ALONG THE LINES OF, THERE'S SOME PERCEPTIONS BEING GIVEN TO US AS IF THEY'RE DONE AND THEY'RE NOT.
THERE STILL HAS TO BE DISCUSSION.
I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD PUT OUT THERE FOR THE GROUP TO THINK ABOUT IS, AND THIS IS MY, MAYBE MY VIEW OF THE WORLD, BUT THIS WAS 70% EDUCATION AND 30% OTHERWISE.
UM, I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT ADDISON, WHAT I SEE IS A BUILT OUT COMMUNITY THAT HAS LIMITED OPTIONS FOR WHOLESALE REDEVELOPMENT OR WHOLESALE VISIONING, IF YOU WILL.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE A TOWN THAT HAS A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS HEAD ON, WHETHER IT'S THE AGE OF OUR MULTI-FAMILY, OR EXCUSE ME, OUR HOTEL MOTEL WORLD, WHETHER IT'S OUR OFFICE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S PRIMARILY B AND C PROPERTIES BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES, WHETHER IT'S THE BELTLINE RETAIL CORRIDOR THAT IN SOME WAYS IS BEING PASSED OVER FOR LEGACY WEST AT ALL.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT TO THE EXTENT IT SHOULD.
SO, TAKING SUE'S POINT, ADDING MY POINTS, I'D SAY WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US, QUITE FRANKLY, BE BEFORE, UH, CONRAD COACH.
I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO YOU? NO, YOU SAY WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO YOU? SO I THINK THIS IS MEANT TO BE A ROADMAP.
SO A ROADMAP ADDRESSES POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES.
SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I WAS MISSING WHEN I REVIEWED IT, AND I'M THINKING AS I SPEAK, BUT, UM, IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS HEAD ON ALMOST A DIFFERENT FORMATTING STRUCTURE OF WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES WE FACE AS A TOWN, AND WHAT ARE THE ACTION POINTS THAT THE COMP PLAN WILL BRING INTO THIS DISCUSSION? AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BRING UP ONE AREA THAT SEEMS TO GET EVERYBODY'S HACKLES, BUT INCENTIVES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT INCENTIVES ARE ALIGNING.
DEVELOPERS' POCKETS, INCENTIVES ARE A TOOL.
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ALL THEY ARE.AND IF THEY FURTHER THE AGENDA OF THE TOWN, THEY'RE A GOOD TOOL.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY'RE A BAD TOOL.
BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE LEVERS THAT WE CAN USE TO FURTHER WHATEVER GOALS WE AGREE ON.
SO, TO ME, SO THAT'S A VALID QUESTION, AND I'M NOT GONNA GIVE IT A, THE ANSWER I'D LIKE, 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T THOUGHT IT TRUTHFULLY, BUT I WANTED TO SEE MORE OF A, HERE'S ISSUES AND HERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS OPPOSED TO PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES OF COMMENTS, AND THEN PAGES AND PAGES OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY'RE NOT BAD PER SE, THEY'RE, SOME ARE GOOD.
BUT JUST WADING THROUGH THAT, WHEN I GOT TO THAT SECTION OF THE PLAN, I JUST WENT, OH MY GOD, I'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH ALL THIS STUFF.
SO WE NEED TO CONDENSE IT DOWN, IN MY VIEW, WE NEED TO MAKE IT MORE ACTION ORIENTED, UH, AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THIS TOWN'S DEALING WITH HEAD ON.
JUST NOT TO HARP ON YOU, BUT WHEN I SAY WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT PROCESS, WHAT DOES THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE FROM HERE ON? DO YOU WANT MORE MEETINGS? IS IT MEETINGS WITH THE STAFF? IS IT MEETINGS AMONGST CPA? IS IT STICKING TO THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE? I'M, I'M SAYING PROCESS.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO GET YOU TO A COMFORT PLACE? I A, I WOULD SAY MORE MEETINGS WITH US.
UH, PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH MORE TIME IN THIS COMMITTEE, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT'S BEEN SINGULARLY LACKING IN TERMS OF JUST ENCOURAGING MORE DIALOGUE AMONGST EVERY ONE OF US.
UH, THEY CAN KIND OF HERD THE CATS, IF YOU WILL, UM, AND MAKE SURE WE STAY ON TRACK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MEAT IN HERE, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REFRAMED.
AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE RETOOLED TO BE MORE, AS I SAID, MORE ACTION ORIENTED, LESS, UH, EDUCATION AND, AND FRANKLY LESS LECTURE.
UM, THERE WERE POINTS WHEN I READ THIS THAT I WENT, NO, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE ASSUMPTIONS BEING MADE THAT WE'VE NEVER VETTED.
SO ONE OF THE ASSUMPTIONS TO PUT IT OUT THERE IS DENSITY IS DENSITY.
DENSITY SEEMS TO BE THE HOLY GRAIL OF VERITY AND IPSO FACTO DENSITY IS NOT THE END GAME.
SOMETIMES IT'S POSITIVE, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.
AND I SUSPECT IF I PULL THIS GROUP, WE'D HAVE VERY MIXED OPINIONS ABOUT DENSITY AND WHERE IT BELONGS AND IF IT'S GOOD OR NOT.
SO, BUT THAT THEME, AND I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU, I'VE SAID IT TO KEVIN, I SAID IT IN THE PAST, DON'T COUNT THAT AS A GIVEN.
YOU HAVE TO TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.
I THINK IT WAS MORE OR LESS, HEY, IT'S A GOOD THING NOW.
AND SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WERE NOT VETTED.
SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE, THE SHRINKING, IF YOU WILL, OF THE ROAD SYSTEM.
UM, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.
SO WE DIDN'T REALLY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO AGAIN, THERE WERE SOME FAIRLY LARGE THINGS PUT OUT THERE AS DONE DEALS OR GIVENS THAT FRANKLY AREN'T.
AND, AND THOSE NEED TO BE VETTED.
SO PROCESS, I THINK THE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO HAVE MORE INTERACTION AMONGST ITSELF.
STAFF HAS A ROLE TO PLAY WITH A GROUP THIS BIG.
IT'S STILL VERY HARD TO KEEP IT MANAGEABLE AND FLOWING.
UM, I THINK WE NEED AT LEAST ONE MORE SIGNIFICANT CUT AT THE PLAN, BUT I THINK WE ARE GONNA NEED TO HAVE SOME REAL GUIDE RAILS.
OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST GONNA DEGENERATE INTO A FREE FOR ALL CONRAD.
BUT I GUESS TO, TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, UM, I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE FIRST, THE NOVEMBER VERSION.
UH, AND I'M, I FIND THE, I READ THE, THE LAST VERSION I, WHICH I REALLY LOVED.
UM, I GUESS MY POINT OF VIEW IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT EARLY IN THE PROCESS, I HAD MADE A, I HAD WRITTEN A MEMO.
I, A VERY LONG COMMENT ON THE WALKABILITY CONCEPTS, WHICH I HAD FOUND BY MYSELF, WHICH JUST POPPED UP IN THE DISCUSSIONS.
AND I, I, I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY NEED TO BUILD ON THIS.
AND AS THINGS PROCEEDED, I, I FOUND THE DOCUMENT REALLY BROUGHT THAT TO LIFE, AND I FELT LIKE I WAS LISTENED TO AND THAT IT REALLY REFLECTED, UM, WHAT I WAS THINKING.
SO I WAS, I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE HOW THIS THING PROGRESSED AND, AND MANY OF THE THINGS THAT FALL OUT OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT THE ROADS LOOK LIKE, DENSITY, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS FALL OUT OF THAT WALKABILITY CONCEPT.
JIM, I DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE 2024.
I SCANNED THAT, BUT I DID ALSO SCAN YOUR NEW DRAFT.
AND TO ME IT ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE POINTS.
AND I'M A LITTLE SAD THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY GET INTO THE 2025
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AND IT WASN'T MENTIONED TO TRY AND STUDY THE 2025 TO SEE IT ADDRESSED SOME OF THESE ISSUES, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE LATEST, THE LATEST ONE, AND I THOUGHT THE LATEST ONE, YOU KNOW, I I WAS PRETTY PLEASED WITH IT ACTUALLY.
SO TO ME IT ADDRESSED A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND I'M, I'M KIND OF SAD THAT SOME OF US MAY NOT HAVE HAD THAT CHANCE TO DR.
AND SO WE'RE KIND OF REHASHING SOMETHING.
I WAS SAYING, I THINK, YEAH, THAT'S, UM, AS SOMEONE WHO HASN'T READ THE JANUARY DRAFT
UM, I THINK THE EDUCATION ASPECT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE WE'RE ALL A REALLY SMART GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN ADDISON OR CARE ABOUT ADDISON A LOT.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT PROFESSIONALS, BUT WE'RE ENTRUSTED.
SOME OF US MAY BE ENTRUSTED OR PEOPLE LIKE US ARE ENTRUSTED TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
AND I THINK THAT EDUCATION OF LIKE, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS BASED IN DATA.
UM, EVEN IF, UH, I AGREE, VIRGINITY HAD A WALKABILITY TRANSIT CONNECTION SLANT THAT I HAPPEN TO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH.
UM, BUT IT IS BASED IN DATA AND I THINK A LOT OF THE URBAN PLANNING COMMUNITY IS LEANING THIS WAY TOO.
UM, SO THE EDUCATION CONTENT WAS GOOD.
UM, I THINK THE IDEA OF NEW LINKS TO FURTHER READING IS, IS GREAT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANTED WAS THAT EXPANSION ON, ON THINGS.
AND SO THAT CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING PLANS, THE NEW PLANS, LEAVING ROOM FOR THAT KIND OF THE OPEN-ENDED NATURE COOL WITH IT BECAUSE THIS ALLOWS US TO BUILD BASED ON WHAT WE WRITE TODAY, SOLUTIONS THAT WORK FOR TOMORROW.
YOU KNOW, THIS, IT FULFILLS THE SPIRIT OF THE COMP PLAN WROTE BY THE PEOPLE IN 2025, BUT IT ADDRESSES THE 2040 NEED.
UH, KIND OF HOW IT WAS WRITTEN.
LOOKING FORWARD TO KIND OF GOING INTO THE JANUARY EXPANSIONS, UM, AND, AND EDITS TO SEE HOW IT TIES IT ALL TOGETHER.
I, WHO ELSE? YES, I HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, I NOTICED WHILE READING THE NOVEMBER REPORT THAT IT WAS HEAVY ON JARGON.
AND MY HOPE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEWER REPORT WOULD SORT OF SOFTEN THAT A LITTLE BIT SO YOUR AVERAGE READER CAN FOLLOW AND UNDERSTAND THOSE TERMS. UM, BUT ANOTHER THING TOO, I WAS TOLD, UM, THAT THIS PROCESS PROCESS WAS ENTIRELY ASPIRATIONAL.
AND I HAD ASKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT LIKE, I KNEW A NEW BIKE PATH, UH, HAD BEEN APPROVED, FOUND ABOUT, FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT IN ONE OF THE ADDISON EMAILS.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BIKEABILITY HERE IN OUR COMMITTEE, AND THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THAT PLAN IN HAVING BEEN APPROVED.
AND SO I'D ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T WE KNOW ABOUT CURRENT, UH, APPROVALS AND, YOU KNOW, PLANS THAT ARE IN PROCESS WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS? AND WAS TOLD, NOPE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO I FELT LIKE I WAS WORKING WITH MY HANDS TIED BEHIND MY BACK.
UM, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME, UH, EDUCATION FROM STAFF OR WHOEVER IS RUNNING THESE COMMITTEES THAT CAN UPDATE US IS THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SAY, HEY, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PASSED, UM, BY CITY COUNCIL AND YOU KNOW, IT RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE BELTWAY BIKE LANE? MM-HMM
SO, AND THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN IN PROCESS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, PROBABLY TWO OR TWO OR THREE YEARS, MAYBE MORE.
IT WAS, IT WAS OUTLINED I BELIEVE IN THE 20, UH, 21 TRAILS PLAN AS MM-HMM
BUT WAS COMING, PULLED ACROSS THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK, I THINK TWO, TWO THINGS.
LET ME JUST SAY TWO THINGS, UM, AND THEN LET'S HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT ONE OF THEM IS I AGREE WITH, UH, TYLER'S COMMENTS.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BEAR IN MIND THAT WE'RE READING THIS REPORT, HAVING HAD THE BENEFIT OF DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM KEVIN AND HIS STAFF FOR A LONG TIME.
OTHER PEOPLE READING THIS REPORT WON'T HAVE THAT SAME BACKGROUND.
AND SO WE, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT OF IT.
I'M NOT SURE IT NEEDS TO BE AS LONG.
UM, I THOUGHT SOME OF THE PARAGRAPHS WEREN'T TERRIBLY WELL WRITTEN AND THEY CAN BE REWORKED.
YOU KNOW, THE OLD SAYING IN, IN LAW IS, IF I HAD MORE TIME, I'D HAVE WRITTEN A SHORTER BRIEF.
AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRUTH TO THAT.
YOU WORK AND WORK AND WORK TO SAY MORE IN AS FEW WORDS AS POSSIBLE.
THE SECOND THING THOUGH IS, IS THAT YOUR POINT RAISES KIND OF WHAT I SAID, AND THAT IS,
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PERSONALLY I WOULD BENEFIT, EVEN HAVING LIVED THROUGH SO MUCH OF ADDISON HISTORY, I WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING A, A DISCUSSION WITH THE STAFF WHERE THEY COULD BRIEF US ON SOME OF THESE OTHER PLANS AND HOW THOSE DOVETAIL WITH THESE ISSUES.FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING WORK DONE AT THE END OF LA GRANDE ON THE BELTWAY PARK THERE.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S BEEN TALK OF, UH, BIKE LANE AND EVEN SIDEWALKS IN LA GRANDE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ALL OF WHICH DOVETAILS WITH THE CONCEPT OF WALKABILITY, WHICH AS CONRAD POINTS OUT, HAS REALLY BEEN CENTRAL TO A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND USED WHERE IT IS GOOD, I THINK IS, IS GREAT.
BUT I REALLY THINK THAT, AND IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAID, CAN WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE STAFF WHERE THEY GO OVER ALL THESE OTHER PLANS RATHER THAN GETTING A REPORT THAT SAYS YEAH, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THOSE OTHER PLANS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT INCONSISTENT, BUT ALSO I THINK IT WOULD INFORM OUR DISCUSSION, GIVE US ALL A LOT MORE COMFORT THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING HERE.
WELL, THAT AARON, DID YOU HAVE ORIGINAL PROBLEM WITH A REPORT IS IN THAT WE SPENT, UH, THERE WAS TIME SPENT ON DISCUSSING THE, UH, BELTLINE ROAD CROSSING OVER THE TOW WAY.
WELL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR 15 YEARS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE WERE SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS IN PLACE OR EVEN A DRAWING THAT DEFINED THAT, UH, UNTIL ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.
AND YET THAT WAS A PORTION OF, OF THE, THE, UH, PLAN'S VISION.
WELL, THAT VISION
AND THE SAME IS TRUE OF THE PEDESTRIAN PLAN THAT I SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST WEEK.
UH, THERE IS ALREADY A, A PLAN IN PLACE ALONG THESE KINDS OF GUIDELINES THAT, THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE PERHAPS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, BUT WERE, WERE, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT, WHAT THE VISION WAS.
WHAT BOTHERED ME MOST WAS THAT, THAT I WAS EXPECTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE A VISIONING DOCUMENT.
AND, AND TO MY WAY OF THINKING, WE HAVEN'T DONE MUCH VISIONING.
UM, EDISON CIRCLE PARK IS A RESULT OF A PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT WAS, WAS, UH, DESIGNED CAREFULLY TO MEET THOSE VERY SPECIFIC GOALS THAT WERE, UM, IMPORTANT AT THAT TIME.
IT'S ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE THAT WE'RE TAKING ANOTHER OF THE LOOK AT IT BECAUSE NEEDS HAVE CHANGED.
BUT TO MY WAY OF THINKING, WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH ANY GREAT PROJECT THAT SOLVES A PROBLEM IN THE TOWN.
AND I WAS JUST HOPING THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
IT'S, I DON'T HAVE ANY GREAT AGENDA IN THAT DEPARTMENT, BUT I, I WOULD, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT WE'VE PRODUCED SO FAR.
WELL, AND, AND, AND TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PARK THAT IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM US IS KIND OF A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, THERE WAS A VISION FOR THIS AREA.
AND PART OF THAT VISION WAS IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO, UH, TO DO THESE SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, WE CAN'T KEEP BORROWING LOTS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO SHOOT FIREWORKS OFF BECAUSE BACK THEN, THE FAA WOULDN'T LET US DO IT AT THE AIRPORT.
AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CAPTURE, WE CAN'T KEEP BORROWING HAY.
THAT EMPTY LOT YOU GOT, CAN WE USE THAT FOR OCTOBER OCTOBERFEST? YEAH, SURE, NO PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA END AND IT, AND IT HAS, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE VISION.
AND THEN WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WHEN YOU WATCH THE PROGRESSION THAT WENT FROM THAT POINT, MY COUNCIL, I SPENT SEVEN YEARS ON THE COUNCIL THAT ENTIRE TIME WE WERE BUYING THE LITTLE LOTS.
THIS WERE, THESE WERE ALL LITTLE HOUSES AND LITTLE BUSINESSES, AND ONE BY ONE BY ONE BY ONE.
WE BOUGHT THOSE FOR SEVEN YEARS AND WE WEREN'T EVEN FINISHED.
WHEN I FINISHED ON COUNCIL, THE NEXT COUNCIL THEN DESIGNED THE PARK, AND PART OF THAT DESIGN WAS SPECIFICALLY SO THAT WE COULD RUN SPECIAL EVENTS THERE YOU HAVE A STAGE THAT HAS ALL KINDS OF ELECTRICITY.
YOU HAVE ELECTRICITY RUNNING ALONG THE PATH SO THAT YOU CAN PUT BOOTHS THERE.
IT WAS THEN DESIGNED, SO YOU KIND OF HAD THE VISION, AND THEN MY COUNCIL BOUGHT THE LAND
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THAT TOOK 7, 8, 9 YEARS, HOWEVER LONG THE NEXT COUNCIL DESIGNED THE PARK.AND, AND THEN THE PARK WAS BUILT.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF SORT OF, I THINK THE PROCESS THAT LIZ IS TALKING ABOUT.
YOU TAKE A VISION AND YOU START TO SAY, WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT WE NEED? AND THEN THE STEPS THAT WERE TAKEN WERE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THAT VISION WAS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PARK AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY YEARS LATER, 2020, I GUESS ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW THAT THE PARK, UH, HAS BEEN BUILT, NOW WE'RE GONNA SORT OF REVISION IT A LITTLE BIT AND, AND REVISE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, NEEDS HAVE CHANGED.
UM, PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME, PEOPLE ARE WORKING OUTSIDE, THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT IT'S, OR 92, IT WAS 90 OR 92, WE STARTED BUYING THE LAND.
THE PARK OPENED IN APRIL, THE PARK OPENED IN LIKE 2000.
WAS THE RIBBON CUTTING APRIL OF 2000.
REALLY? THAT'S WHEN THE FIRST SECTION OF THE PARK YEP.
RIGHT? NOT THE WHOLE PARK, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT THAT, BECAUSE I WAS, THAT'S WHEN BLUEPRINTS WAS OPEN ANYWAYS.
THAT PART OF IT, BUT I WAS OFF COUNCIL WHEN THEY DESIGNED IT, SO IT WAS AFTER 99.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, MY POINT IS THAT'S THE SORT OF PROCESS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PICTURE WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE, AND NOW YOU, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT THE STEPS TO GET US THERE AND, AND TO EXIT AND FOR THE STAFF TO EXECUTE THOSE, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, BUYING THE LAND, DESIGNING THE PARK, GETTING THE THINGS BUILT AND SO FORTH.
UM, AL YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WERE, HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.
I WOULD, I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC AND GETTING OFF THEME.
IF WE ARE, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT MY NAME PLATE HERE, AND IT SAYS ADVISORY.
IT DOESN'T SAY PLANNING, IT DOESN'T SAY ZONING.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING EXCEPT ADVISING.
AND IF THE PRODUCT IS INTENDED TO BE A VISIONARY PRODUCT, NOT A STEP-BY-STEP OR A PROJECT PRODUCT, I THINK WE'RE THERE.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? WE TRYING TO PLAN PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN, I'M HEARING SOME OF THAT AND I, OUR ADVICE, OUR ROLE IS TO ADVISE ON A VISION.
IF THAT ROLE, IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS INCORRECT, PLEASE HELP ME.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S GONNA BE THE GUIDEPOST FOR WHERE WE GO.
SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT BEYOND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, GUIDEPOST, IT'S A VISION DOCUMENT.
IF IT'S NOT A VISION DOCUMENT, HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
SO, UH, I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, YOU ARE CORRECT.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER SUPPORTING PLANS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS INTENDED TO BE THE UMBRELLA, THE VISION FOR WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND WHEN WE START, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE, THE, UH, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP RECENTLY, THE ADDISON CIRCLE, UM, REVISIONING PLAN, THAT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS.
WE WOULDN'T DO THAT UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HOWEVER, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS MANY NOTES, UM, TO FURTHER EXPLORE REACTIVATION OF ADDISON CIRCLE SO THAT, SO THAT THE CONCEPT IS THERE.
HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE, ENCOURAGE AND, AND REACTIVATE SUPPORT OUR RETAIL, DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE AND MAKE IT MORE ACTIVATED.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA EX, IN ORDER TO EXPLORE THAT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND DO THE PLAN.
THAT'S THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
WE HAVE THE MASTER WAY FINDING PLAN, YOU KNOW, COMING UP IN THE FUTURE.
WE'D HAVE TO REDO THE, THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE PLANS, THE MASTER TRAILS PLANS.
UH, WE HAVE LONG RANGE PLANNING TEAM AS WELL AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT SUPPORT THAT.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
AND, UM, I, I WANNA GET THROUGH, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE CONTEXT AND THE, AND THE DISCUSSION AS WELL.
UM, ONE QUICK THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE STEPS THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LAND, AS YOU ARE AWARE.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ADDISON CIRCLE OR AN ADDISON CIRCLE PARK, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND, AND MAYBE FORTUNATELY IN SOME, IN SOME ASPECTS, BUT THINK ABOUT THE COMPONENTS OF THE CONCEPT, WHICH IS WALKABILITY AND CONNECTIVITY, AND THEN GETTING INTO THE ACTION ITEMS OF HOW EXACTLY WE ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS SPECIFICALLY WAS HOW DO WE MAKE OUR ROADS NARROWER SO THAT IT'S SHORTER FOR PEDESTRIAN TO CROSS, BUT ALSO PROVIDE EMERGENCY SAFETY.
ONE OF THOSE ACTION ITEMS IS MAKE SURE THAT OUR FIRE, UH, EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT FOR OUR FIRE, UM, DEPARTMENT CAN NAVIGATE THOSE ROADS, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T NARROW THOSE ROADS UNTIL
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WE HAVE FIRE APPARATUS THAT, UH, CAN ACHIEVE THAT.SO THOSE ARE THOSE BASELINE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP BUILD, TO REACH A BROADER GOAL.
UM, IT'S JUST MORE MINUTE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY, UH, FINE TUNED CONCEPTS THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND ONE LAST THING, UH, AND WE DO, WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS TO GET THROUGH, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION.
THE OTHER PLANS ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR SERVER, ON THAT SHARED SERVER, WHICH THAT WAS ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY TO THIS IS, IS WITH MODERN TECHNOLOGY, WHY ARE, WHY IS THERE NOT LINKAGE TO THIS? OR IS THERE GOING TO BE TO THOSE PLANS? I MEAN, THERE WILL BE, THAT'S ONE THING TO HELP EDUCATE PEOPLE.
I CAN, I COULD FIND IT, AND I'VE WORKED WITH THE TOWN FOR, I DON'T, I MEAN, WELL, I'VE STRUGGLED WITH THE SERVER WELL, THAT I'M LIKE, WHEN YOU GET TO THIS PAGE THAT HAS ALL THESE OTHER USE PLANS AND ALL THAT, WHY ISN'T THERE A LINK THAT THEY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO READ THAT AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS, ULTIMATELY THERE WILL BE LINKS TO OTHER THINGS.
BUT ALSO THERE WILL BE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT DIGITALLY, THERE WILL BE LINKS BACK TO THINGS IN OTHER AREAS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE ON AN ACTION ITEM THAT REFERENCES X, YOU CAN CLICK X AND IT'S GONNA REFER YOU TO EARLIER IN THE PLAN, PUT YOUR MICROPHONE ON PLEASE.
WHAT POINT ARE WE GETTING THAT? LIKE, OR ARE WE FROM THAT, THAT SOME OF THAT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW? MY POINT, MY POINT WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, AND THAT IS EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, I REQUESTED THAT THE STAFF PUT THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE PARKS PLAN AND ALL THE CURRENT PLANS UP ON OUR SERVER.
BUT I CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH THE SERVER GETTING ACCESS TO IT AND, AND HAVE FOUND IT A LITTLE BIT CLUNKY TO WORK WITH.
BUT ANYWAY, WE NEED TO GO, YEAH.
UM, A PLAN THAT HAS ALL THE LINKS AND EVERYTHING IN IT, UM, THAT'LL BE THE VERY LAST STEP.
UM, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE SAY LIKE, HEY, HERE IS GOING TO BE WHERE THE LINK IS.
IT WILL BE PLACED ON THE PAGE, BUT IT'S THE VERY LAST STEP AFTER ADOPTION WE GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WORKS THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD.
UM, IDEALLY WE HAVE ONE AVAILABLE, WHAT DURING THE ACTUAL ADOPTION PROCESS, THAT WAY THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING BROKEN OR DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, WE CAN FIX IT AT THAT POINT.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THESE QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD THAT ARE KIND OF AN OVERALL SENTIMENT TO THE DOCUMENT.
AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, WHICH IS HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE, UM, THE PLAN ESSENTIALLY SUPPORTS THE, THE EDUCATIONAL INSIGHT TO THOSE PLANNING CONCEPTS WE'VE DISCUSSED? UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU THINK IT'S SUFFICIENT OR IT NEEDS ADDITIONAL, UM, INFORMATION, OR MAYBE IT'S TOO MUCH AS WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT.
AND JUST AS A HEADS UP, WE HAVE 14 QUESTIONS.
IF YOU SCAN THIS QR CODE, IT'LL TAKE YOU BACK.
OR YOU CAN GO TO SLIDO.COM AND, AND TYPE IN THE CODE AS WELL.
HAS EVERYONE SUBMITTED? PERFECT.
WE'VE, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY CHATTED ABOUT THIS A BIT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY LINGERING THOUGHTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE, THE NEXT QUESTIONS? WELL, I A POSITIVE, I THOUGHT THAT THE STATISTICS AND DOING COMPARISONS SO WE COULD COMPARE OURSELF TO OTHER MM-HMM
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WAS ONE THING THAT I HUNG ON MY COMMENT WAS, IS THAT'S GREAT.
YOU COULD THROW ALL THESE DEMOGRAPHICS ABOUT ADDISON, BUT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T HAVE CONTEXT TO ADDRESS IT.
AND I THINK THIS ONE, THIS LAST MONTH'S VERSION IS MUCH, MUCH BETTER AT THAT.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
SO THESE, UM, QUESTIONS ARE SPECIFIC TO THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER.
SO, UM, AT YOUR SEATS THERE IS, UH, THE PRINTOUT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THAT JUST TO, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE 'EM IN FRONT OF YOU, THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES.
SO WHAT IS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IN THIS ONE, HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE, SO THIS QUESTION IS MORE GENERAL, BUT MOVING FORWARD WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES, BUT THIS IS JUST ASKING HOW YOU FELT LIKE THE NOVEMBER DRAFT, UM, KIND OF CAPTURED, UH, THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD AND ACTIVITIES
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WE'VE HAD THUS FAR IN THE PROCESS.ANYONE STILL ANSWERING? ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA MOVE FORWARD TO THE, THE NEXT QUESTION.
SO HOW WELL DO YOU FEEL THAT THE NOVEMBER DRAFT ARTICULATES THE MESS, THE METHODS THAT WERE USED TO CONDUCT THE LAND USE AND FISCAL ANALYSIS? YEAH, JUST A QUICK COMMENT ON THIS ONE.
THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THIS COMP PLAN.
JUST, JUST KNOWING WHERE THE MONEY GOES AND WHERE IT SINKS IS COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED MY VISION OF THE TOWN OR AN UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
SO, UM, THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD SECTION.
I PUT IT A NINE, I THINK MAYBE I CAN'T REMEMBER SPECIFICS, BUT I PROBABLY LEFT THEM IN THE NOVEMBER PLAN AND I'LL ADD SOME MORE NOTES.
BUT I, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALMOST PERFECT.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
SO THIS IS ASKING HOW YOU FELT LIKE THE SPECTRUM OF CHANGE, UM, ARTICULATES HOW THE SPECTRUM OF CHANGE WILL BE USED IN TO CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS.
AND THAT IS THE MAP THAT REFERENCES, UM, IT'S ON THE BACK OF YOUR HANDOUT THAT REFERENCES THE PRESERVE, ENHANCE AND DEVELOP SLASH REDEVELOP AREAS SPEAK.
SPEAKING OF THAT, UH, SPECTRUM OF CHANGE, UM, THIS SHOWS ESSENTIALLY THE INWOOD ROAD AREA AS A SORT OF MONOLITHIC, UH, ENTITY RATHER THAN WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE'S INDUSTRIAL THERE, THERE'S RETAIL THERE, UM, AND, AND ONLY A TINY PORTION OF IT COULD BE USED FOR HOUSING.
UM, BUT, BUT TO MARK THAT ALL DOWN, YOU'VE GOT TO DEVELOP AN IN RELATIONSHIP.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT COVERS WHAT THAT, UH, THE PROBLEMS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE, THE SPECTRUM OF CHANGE MAP IS INTENDED TO IDENTIFY AREAS THAT WE THINK MAY EXPERIENCE CHANGE IN A DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY, NOT, THIS DOES NOT REFERENCE THE DEVELOPMENT TYPES.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THAT AREA IS GONNA BE ALL HOUSING OR ALL ONE THING.
IT'S SAYING WE THINK IT'S GOING TO EVOLVE AND REDEVELOP, UM, MORE IN LINE WITH SOME OF OUR SPECIAL AREA PLANS LIKE THE INWOOD, UH, CORRIDOR.
UH, SO WOULD BACK TO THIS KIND OF LIKE INTERACTIVE, WOULD ANY OF THIS STUFF BE TIED TO EITHER DOCUMENTS THAT EXISTED ALREADY THAT ARE PLANS FOR MIDWAY SOUTH? LIKE WOULD THAT BE FUNCTIONAL IN THIS MAP TOO, TO GET TO THOSE THINGS? IF WE ALREADY HAVE DOCUMENTS OUT THERE THAT ARE ALREADY WORKING FOR THIS? I MEAN, TO ME, PART OF THIS IS LIKE EDUCATING PEOPLE AND PEOPLE ARE VERY VISUAL.
THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THIS BEFORE THEY'RE GONNA GO READ PARAGRAPHS.
SO IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ACTIVE PLANS GOING ON FOR SOME OF THESE AREAS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
TO ME, I THINK IT'S NATURAL THAT YOU WOULD HAVE LINKS TO THAT.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING, AND I KNOW I MADE COMMENTS AND I, I'LL ADMIT, I DID NOT READ THIS ONE AS IN DEPTH 'CAUSE I DID, NOVEMBER'S WAS, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS THE, THE PLAN DID A VERY
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GOOD JOB OF TELLING AND EDUCATING THE PEOPLE OF THINGS LIKE ENWOOD CORRIDOR.THERE ARE THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PUT IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT.
AND, AND I DON'T, I STILL DON'T KNOW THAT THIS PLAN CALLS OUT THAT KIND OF STUFF AT ALL.
AND I'M TALKING MUCH MORE SPECIFIC THAN JUST COLORING ON HERE.
I'M TALKING LIKE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO THAT CERTAIN USAGE, YOU CAN'T DO THERE.
I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN UNDERSTAND THE AIRPORT AND, AND ITS LIMITATIONS THAT IT DOES PROVIDE TO AREAS AROUND IT.
ONE THING THAT WE DID ADD TO ALL OF THE MAPS IS THE NOISE CONTOUR, WHICH SIGNIFIES WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL CANNOT BE ADDED.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE BLACK DASH LINE AND IT'S IDENTIFIED AS THE 2013 AIRPORT NOISE CONTOUR.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIAL POINT BETWEEN WHERE RESIDENTIAL CAN AND CANNOT BE BUILT.
UM, AND I, I GET THAT, BUT THAT MEANS NOTHING TO ME ON THIS PAGE THAT THERE'S AN I DON'T, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, CAN I ADD THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON HERE, WHICH BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK THE DOTS POINTED OUT VERY DRASTICALLY ENOUGH.
PERSONALLY
THAT WAS AN EDIT THAT WE MADE THAT WAS NOT INCORPORATED.
SO IT'S, IT'S IN PROCESS TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, AS WELL AS WITH THE IMAGERY, WE DID REVIEW BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT CODES STANDARDS AND THE PLACE TYPES TO ENSURE THAT ANY REPRESENTATIVE IMAGERY IN THOSE AREAS WHERE, UM, WE HAVE THOSE LIMITATIONS THAT THAT'S REFLECTED.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE EDITED FURTHER, BUT THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
WHEN WAS THE LAST PART? ONE 50 STUDY? UH, IT WAS COMPLETED MAY OF 2022.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
SO THIS IS A QUESTION REGARDING THE PLACE TYPES MAP.
SO IT'S ASKING HOW WELL, UH, THE PLAN ARTICULATED THE PLACE TYPE MAP WILL BE USED TO CONSIDER THE REDEVELOPMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT, UM, PROCESSES.
AND THAT THE PLACE TYPES MAP IS INCLUDED IN THE HANDOUT AT YOUR SEAT, INCLUDING THE VARIOUS, UM, PLACE TYPE, UM, DESCRIPTORS AS WELL.
SO NUMEROUS PAGES, ALL OF THE VARIOUS, IT'S, IT'S LABELED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
YEAH, SO IT LOOKS LIKE PAGE ONE 14 IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
ANYONE STILL ANSWERING? GOOD? OH, THERE WE GO.
UM, THIS NEXT SECTION GOES INTO SOME QUESTIONS MORE TAILORED TO HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO HOW WELL DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE NOVEMBER DRAFT, UH, REFERENCING THE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD SECTION, UH, PLANNING COMPONENTS CAPTURE THE VISION? ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE GOOD TO MOVE ON? OKAY.
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NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, A LIKE A, A RANK.AND YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO SELECT EVERY SINGLE ITEM, BUT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU SELECT TWO OF THEM, YOU WOULD RANK THEM ONE AND TWO, UM, ONE BEING YOUR HIGHEST PREFERENCE.
UH, BUT THE QUESTION IS RELATED TO RANKING ELEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD INCLUDE IN THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORY.
SO WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD MAY BE IN REFERENCE TO ADDISON, THAT MAY BE THE WYNWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE LAX NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, TO SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE, DIVERSE, AND COMPLETE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, RANK THOSE IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE.
UM, AND IF YOU NEED, UM, SOME REFERENCE TO WHAT A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD IS, I BELIEVE THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR HANDOUT.
SO YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU SELECT THEM, THEY'LL MOVE UP AND THEN YOU CAN REORDER THEM BY DRAGGING THEM AROUND.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SELECT ALL OF THEM.
THOSE ARE JUST OPTIONS THAT WERE POPULATED OR THAT WE, WE POPULATED AS, AS VARIOUS, UM, TOOLS AND RESOURCES TO DO THOSE THINGS.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS ONE, HUH? THERE WE GO.
UM, SO I NOTICED IN THE TRAFFIC CALMING SECTION, THEY DON'T MENTION JUST MAKING THE STREETS NARROWER.
UM, I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THOUGHT OF.
YOU, YOU, I THINK IT'S, IT'S SUBSUMED WITHIN, UM, ADDING SIDEWALKS.
I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT.
THE, THESE QUESTIONS GET MORE INTENSE AS WE MOVE ON.
SO THE OTHER TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOODS, I SHOULD SAY, THE NEIGHBORHOODS GET MORE INTENSE, YOU'RE GONNA BE RANKING CHOICE ON.
SO THE LANE REDUCTION IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED ON THE MORE INTENSE NEIGHBORHOOD QUESTION.
IS EVERYONE GOOD TO MOVE ON? NO.
WELL, IT'S GONNA BE, THE NEXT QUESTION'S VERY SIMILAR, BUT TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, A, A MORE DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OH, A CLARIFICATION ON THIS LITTLE QUESTION HERE.
LIKE IF WE ALREADY THINK THEY'RE DOING A DECENT JOB OF IT OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO STILL RANK THAT BECAUSE WE WANT THAT SAME LEVEL YOU FOLLOW? I MEAN, LIKE IN PARTICULAR THE STREETS SCAPE, PUBLIC PARKING, LANDSCAPING, I THINK WE DO SPECTACULAR JOB OF THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T, I WANT YOU TO STOP.
SO DO I STILL NEED TO RANK THAT UP THERE OR ONLY IF IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN? SO NO, IT CAN BE THINGS THAT, 'CAUSE THEY, WE DO HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS, SO IT'S STILL IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THOSE AND MAINTAIN THEM AND ENHANCE THEM WHEN NECESSARY.
SO I WOULD STILL RANK THEM, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS ASKING THIS THE SAME QUESTION.
UM, IN TERMS OF RANKING, IF FOR A TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UM, COULD BE A VARIETY OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN ADDISON THAT, UH, MAY INCLUDE BENT TREE, UH, ASBURY CIRCLE OR AREAS ON SPECTRUM DRIVE THINKING ABOUT THEY'RE NOT AT ADDISON CIRCLE IN TERMS OF DENSITY OR AN INTENSITY OR WALKABILITY MAYBE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT SUBURBAN, SO THEY'RE THE IN-BETWEENS.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, SOME OF THE CHOICES HERE ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 'CAUSE ALL OF THESE OPTIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS APPROPRIATE IN A SUBURBAN STYLE SETTING.
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GOT SO QUIET, I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING THE BAR EXAM AGAIN.ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS YOU WANNA SHARE? YEAH, I'M, I GUESS I'M JUST KIND OF BEARISH ON TRAFFIC CALMING.
'CAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE IF YOU BUILD A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SPEED BUMPS AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IT LOWER FOR ME.
'CAUSE THE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE TAKES CARE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE WALKABILITY TAKES CARE OF THAT.
I, I THINK IT'S ALL KIND OF BAKED IN.
SO I WOULD SAY FOR, FOR MY MONEY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT SPEED BUMPS.
I HATE GOING OVER SPEED BUMPS ON MY BIKE.
LIKE, SHOOT, IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH WORSE
SO, UM, I JUST, JUST MAKE THE STREETS, JUST MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIVABLE AND I THINK THE STREETS WILL SORT OF TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
UH, SO THIS IS, UH, THE KIND OF FINAL QUESTION OF, IS THIS PARTICULAR STYLE IN TERMS OF MOVING ON TO A, THE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, FOR AREAS LIKE THE INWOOD CORRIDOR OR VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE, DIVERSE, AND COMPLETE IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE? THOSE ARE TWO REALLY DIFFERENT PLACES TO TRY TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS ABOUT.
LIKE, SO IT'S, UH, ONE HAS SO MUCH CON WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE, FIRST OF ALL, AND THE SECOND ONE'S ALREADY PRETTY HEAVILY MIXED USE TO BEGIN WITH, WHICH YES YOU CAN, BUT THEY'RE VERY, THAT'S A TOUGH CONCEPT TO PUT IN THE SAME QUESTION IF YOU ASK ME.
YEAH, WELL IT'S, IT'S MORE REFERENCING THE TYPE OF PLACE.
SO A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, A GREATER MIXTURE OF USES.
UM, WHEREAS A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE IN, IN, IN ABUNDANCE IN, IN ADDISON, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO THERE WAS SOME, I WOULD SAY NOT CONFLICTING, BUT THERE, YEAH, IN SOME WAYS CONFLICTING COMMENTARY ON THE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD SECTION AND, AND WHAT THE, IN, IN INTENT
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OF THOSE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS WERE.SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT YOU ALL PRIORITIZE IN THOSE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD TYPES SO THAT THAT COULD BE THEN REFINED FURTHER IN THE PLAN.
SO THAT WAS THE, THE PURPOSE OF THESE QUESTIONS.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, IS IT EVERYONE DONE WITH THIS QUESTION OR HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, WELL THIS IS THE LAST POLLING QUESTION.
I HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER SLIDES AND THEN, UM, IF THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WE WOULD LOVE TO HELP FACILITATE THAT.
UM, HEARD FROM A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE CONCEPTS WERE, UM, DISCUSSED ENOUGH OR, OR REFINED ENOUGH.
SO WE WANNA USE THIS, THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
SORRY, I THINK THE SLIDES GOT OUTTA ORDER.
WE DO HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, SO THESE, THESE NEXT SECTION IS RE RELATED TO THE MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY SECTION IN THE PLAN.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST AN OVERALL, UM, QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU FELT ABOUT THAT SECTION.
I GAVE THIS ONE A SEVEN BECAUSE THE TRANSIT ONE WAS PRETTY WEAK IN THE NOVEMBER DRAFT.
I THINK WE GOT LIKE A PAGE AND A HALF.
UM, A LOT OF JADE'S COMMENTS ADDRESSED MY MORE IMMEDIATE CONCERNS, WHICH IS GOOD.
UM, SO WHATEVER SHE SAID IS, IS SOLID.
AND I KNOW DARTS HAD A VERY DYNAMIC YEAR WITH SERVICE CHANGES AND EVERYTHING.
UM, I STILL THINK IT'S INSANE THAT THERE IS NO FIXED ROUTE SERVICE TO VITRUVIAN EVEN IN THE PLAN.
I KNOW THERE'S GOLINK, BUT LOOK, GOLINK IS LIKE FINE FOR GOING SOMEWHERE THAT'S LIKE A, A MEDIUM OR LONG WALK.
IT'S NOT FINE FOR GOING TO VITRUVIAN FROM HERE.
UM, THE CIRCULATOR PLAN, WE'VE BEEN SEEING SOLID STUFF FOR VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SECOND ONE MAYBE THAT AT LEAST RUNS ON WEEKENDS.
UM, FOR, FOR VITRUVIAN JUST SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET OUT THERE 'CAUSE IT'S A GREAT PARK, BUT I, I'M SURROUNDED BY GREAT PARKS.
I DON'T HAVE A HUGE INCENTIVE TO VISIT IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO FOR SOME VARIETY.
UM, AND WHEN I GO, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PARKING 'CAUSE IT'S A BIT HECTIC OVER THERE.
THERE'S LIKE 5,000 PEOPLE THERE.
UM, SO I THINK BEEFING UP THE TRANSIT PORTION OF THIS WILL BE REALLY GOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF THE NEW PLANS THAT, UH, UH, DART JUST SHOWED TO CITY COUNCIL LAST NIGHT.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE REFLECTED IN THE NEXT DRAFT.
UM, NOW WE HAVE THREE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, THESE ARE REFERENCING BACK TO THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD TYPES, SUBURBAN, TRANSITIONAL AND COMPLETE.
UM, TALKING ABOUT VARIOUS MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, UM, IN TERMS OF, OF RANKING THOSE OF WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED OR PRIORITIZED IN A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
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UM, SIMILAR STYLE QUESTION.UM, ASKING ABOUT A TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN BETWEEN, UM, OUR SUBURBAN PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND, UM, WHAT COULD BE OR ARE TODAY OUR COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S NO OPTION HERE FOR THE, UH, UH, SHUTTLE LOSE.
THERE'S NO OPTION HERE FOR THE MINI BUST TYPE SYSTEM OR THE SHUTTLE BUST TO GET PEOPLE TO THE MAJOR SHOPPING OR TO THE, UH, THE, UH, MOBILITY TRAFFIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING HERE.
YEAH, THOSE WOULD BE UNDER BUS ROUTE ENHANCEMENTS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY FIVE ON THE SCREEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON YOUR SCREEN.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
ALL RIGHT, THIS REALLY SHOULD BE THE LAST ONE THIS TIME.
UM, TALKING ABOUT A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD ON THIS ONE IS, UM, SOMETIMES WE CAN MAYBE THINK HOW GREAT ADDISON IS IN THE CONNECTIVITY AND THE WALKABILITY AND PROJECT THAT ON EVERYONE ELSE, AND ASSUME THAT CARS AREN'T IMPORTANT IN THESE AREAS BECAUSE WELL JUST TAKE TRANSIT THERE.
AND SO IN A VACUUM I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT WHEN OUR NEIGHBORS DON'T USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND YOU DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT, WHERE ARE THEY GOING? TYLER? UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT BASICALLY THE ENTIRE NORTH AMERICAN WORLD HAS BEEN BUILT FOR THE CAR.
UM, SO TAKING JUST A LITTLE BIT OF IT BACK FOR EVERYONE ELSE IS PROBABLY NOT A HUGE DEAL.
YEAH, I THINK THE, UM, THE INTENT OF, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT, UM, THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SECTION IS REALLY ABOUT MULTIMODAL AND EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES.
NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, REMOVING THE, THE VEHICLE AS A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.
'CAUSE WE ARE IN NORTH TEXAS AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET AWAY FROM IT COMPLETELY.
IS EVERYONE GOOD ON THIS QUESTION? ALRIGHT.
UM, SO THAT WRAPS UP OUR POLLING QUESTIONS AND, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY IS DISCUSSING IMPLEMENTATION.
I KNOW WE'VE, UM, I DON'T WANNA GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UM, IN, IN THE WEEDS, IF YOU WILL, BUILDING THE PLAN AND JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA USE THIS MOVING FORWARD ONCE IT'S DONE IN
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THE FUTURE.UM, WE HAVE BE STAFF ON A STAFF LEVEL HAVE BEGUN BRAINSTORMING HOW WE ARE GOING TO PROJECT THIS, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, FOR WHETHER IT'S FOR STAFF TO USE, DEVELOPERS, RESIDENTS TO USE.
UM, AND WE WANT TO TRACK THIS VERY CLOSELY.
AND, UM, WE WANT TO PURSUE DOING THAT THROUGH A SOFTWARE THAT THE TOWN'S CURRENTLY USING TO TRACK THE CITY COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC GOALS.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S CALLED INVISIO, BUT THIS IS SOME SCREENSHOTS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO LOOKING AT, UH, IN THE FUTURE, ONCE IT'S SOLIDIFIED AND ADOPTED, WE WOULD HAVE THE VARIOUS A, UM, UM, LIKE ACTION ITEMS IDENTIFIED, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE COMPLETE OR IF THEY'RE IN PROCESS.
AND YOU COULD EVEN CLICK INTO THOSE AND IDENTIFY WHAT'S BEING DONE OR WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.
THERE COULD BE SOME THAT ARE MORE DATA DRIVEN, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY ENTER IN THE DATA AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, A GRAPH OR TRENDS OF, SO AS WE UPDATE THROUGH THE YEARS, YOU CAN GO BACK, YOU KNOW, IN 10 YEARS AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND IF WE'VE TRENDED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR IF WE'VE HAD ANY HICCUPS AND, AND FALTERED AT ALL.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE ULTIMATELY WANT TO, UM, HOLD THE COMMUNITY ACCOUNTABLE AND STAFF ACCOUNTABLE FOR ACHIEVING THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOALS THAT ARE OUTLINED AND THE ACTION ITEMS OUTLINED IN THE PLAN.
WE ALSO ARE GONNA, UM, IMPLEMENT SOME TOOLS BEYOND THE DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, WE WOULD HAVE IN THE FUTURE AN ONLINE INTERACTIVE MAP LAYER THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF THESE RESOURCES.
SO A DEVELOPER COULD EASILY GO ON JUST AS THEY WOULD LOOK AT OUR ZONING MAP, AND THEY CAN GET A LOT OF THE INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENT IN A QUICK, EASY TO USE INTERFACE THAT HAS LINKS AND OTHER RESOURCES.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS WE CAN TAKE THIS DOCUMENT AND PROJECT IT AND PROVIDE IT AS A RESOURCE WITH TOOLS.
UM, THAT'S, WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET.
WE WANNA OBVIOUSLY SOLIDIFY THE PLAN AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THAT NEXT, NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS DEVELOPING THOSE RESOURCES.
SO, JUST WANTED TO ONCE AGAIN GO OVER A COUPLE OF NEXT STEPS AND ALSO WANT TO PAUSE FOR DISCUSSION AS WELL.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IS THE CONVEY O LINK IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU GUYS TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENTS UNTIL, I BELIEVE IT IS NEXT WEDNESDAY.
IS THAT ACCURATE? IT'S THE, SOMETIME NEXT WEEK WE'LL SOLIDIFY THAT AND SEND OUT AN EMAIL.
UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO GATHER ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS IN THERE AS WELL AS STAFF COMMENTS AND CONTINUE TO EDIT THE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND THEN MEET AGAIN IN MARCH.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO, UM, TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED TONIGHT AND DEVELOP SOME DISCUSSION OPPORTUNITIES AT, FOR THE MARCH MEETING AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, AS I MENTIONED IN MAY, DOING THE A, A PUBLIC REVIEW AS WELL AND BRINGING THEM INTO, UM, TO THE, THE PROCESS AND MOVING ON THROUGH THE, THE POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION AND ADOPTION PROCESS.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT THIS EVENING AND WANNA ENCOURAGE FURTHER DISCUSSION.
YEAH, SO ONE THING IS I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT MAYBE UNTIL THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
UM, GIVE EVERYBODY A REAL GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT.
ARE WE, ARE THESE COMMENTS? IS THE REPORT THAT'S GONNA BE UP THERE? UM, THE OLD ONE OR THE NEW ONE? THE NEW ONE.
AND IS IT GONNA BE REDLINED IN ANY WAY? YEAH, I DON'T, I THINK WE PUT, WE COULD PUT THE RED LINE.
WOULD YOU ALL PREFER THE CLEAN ONE IS IN THERE NOW? WOULD YOU ALL PREFER THE RED LINED? WELL, ONE, ONE THING IS FOR ME, UM, I'D, I'D LOVE TO SEE A HARD COPY OF THE RED LINE THAT WOULD HELP ME A LOT.
UM, I, AND I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO WHERE WE COULD LET PEOPLE LOOK AT THE, EITHER OR ONLINE.
IT HELPS ME TO SEE RED LINES BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT ONLY MY OWN COMMENTS, BUT OTHER PEOPLE'S COMMENTS.
AND I, I FOUND THE CURRENT, UH, I FOUND THIS TO BE VERY CUMBERSOME TO WORK THROUGH, TO CONSTANTLY BE GOING BACK AND FORTH LOOKING AT COMMENTS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THEM.
AND IT, IT WAS JUST VERY CUMBERSOME.
I THINK A RED LINE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF RED IN
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IT, BUT, UM,THAT'S ONE QUESTION I HAVE TO CLARIFY.
THE RED LINE IS NOT A TRADITIONAL RED LINE BECAUSE OF THE FORMATTING WITH THE DOCUMENT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S NOT A WORD DOCUMENT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE TRACK CHANGES.
WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS TO PRESENT THAT.
THERE IS A GOOGLE SHEET, UM, THAT WAS SCREENSHOTTED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS WHAT VERITY EDITED FROM NOVEMBER TO JANUARY.
SO THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS EVERY COMMENT FROM A, FROM CPAC AND HOW THEY SPECIFICALLY RESPONDED TO THAT.
THERE'S ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S A MARKUP DRAFT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, WHICH IS A, IT'S THAT, YEAH, IT'S A PDF BLUEBEAM REVIEW SESSION.
UM, THAT IS NOT A RED LINE, BUT IT HAS SEVERAL CLOUDED COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHICHEVER ONE IS MOST HELPFUL TO AID IN COMMENTARY IS AN OPTION TO PURSUE.
SO I'D LIKE TO GET A HARD COPY OF THE COMMENTS.
IT LOOKED LIKE AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET OF, OF SORTS.
I'D LIKE TO GET A HARD COPY OF THAT.
I'D LOVE TO GET A HARD COPY OF, OF THIS MARKUP.
UH, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE VIEW OF THE, OF, OF EVERYBODY HERE AS TO WHAT YOU WANNA SEE TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON? AND, SORRY, I'LL QUICKLY NOTE, WE CAN PROVIDE ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS TO YOU, HOWEVER, IN THE CONVEY WE WOULD WANNA PROVIDE ONE.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHY JIM, YOU, JIM, YOU GOTTA USE A MICROPHONE.
JIM, YOU GOTTA USE A MICROPHONE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A CLEAN VERSION OF THE PLAN.
THE FINAL PLAN THAT YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EDITING NOW? YEAH.
ONE, IT'S THE ONE IN THE PACKET.
SO THE, THE JANUARY DRAFT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET IS THE CLEAN VERSION.
SO YOU DO HAVE THAT, WE CAN PUT THAT IN CONVEYOR IF THAT'S A PREFERRED DOCUMENT.
I THINK THE OTHER, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION TO PUT IN CONVEYOR, WHICH REQUIRES THAT PDF FORMAT WOULD BE THAT MARKUP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
SO HOW MANY WANNA SEE THE CLEAN DOCUMENT AND HOW MANY WANT TO SEE A MARKUP? OKAY, SO MY SUGGESTION, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THOUGH, IS IS THERE A DIFFERENT FORMATTING THAT'S REQUIRED, JAY, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAY? THE DIFFERENCE OF LOADING IS WE, WE CAN'T LOAD IN AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET INTO, INTO CONVEO FOR IN, BUT EITHER DOCUMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN THERE WOULD BE EDITED IN CONVEO CONVEY O THE SAME CORRECT WAY.
SO, SO MY SUGGESTION IS THE PEOPLE WHO WANNA, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, TO GET A HARD COPY OF THE, OF THIS, THE, UM, THE SPREADSHEET OF CHANGES.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO GET A HARD COPY OF THAT? TREES? I DON'T WANNA KILL TREES EITHER, BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE JUST THREE OR FOUR OF US, UM, LOOK LIKE JOE, DENISE, CAROL.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SEE A HARD COPY OF THIS? TOM, TOM ON THE MICROPHONE?
SO REALISTICALLY THAT SPREADSHEET WE WOULD STILL PDF IT MOST LIKELY SO THAT YOU HAVE IT.
UM, BUT TO PRINT OUT A HARD COPY OF IT, IT'S GONNA BE EITHER REALLY TINY FONT, UM, OR MULTIPLE PAGES FOR ONE LINE LOAD IT IN HERE.
I MEAN, LIKE ABSOLUTELY WE COULD JUST SEARCHING AND WHATEVER IF WE WANT.
IS I WOULD SAY JUST, JUST SEND EVERYBODY THE SPREADSHEET.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO EDIT EDIT IT DOWN? YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT LESLIE AND I WERE JUST THAT SIDE BARRING ABOUT, WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT FIT.
DO WE, DO WE NEED ALL OF THE COLUMNS TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DID? NO.
OKAY, SO, SO HERE MY SUGGESTION IS PUT THE WHOLE SPREADSHEET IN SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT, BUT ALSO IF THERE'S A WAY TO, TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE COLUMNS SO THAT YOU COULD GET IT REASONABLY ON AN 11 BY 17 IS THAT, I WILL SAY, BECAUSE OF MY FAMILIARITY WITH GOOGLE SHEETS AND THIS DOCUMENT SPECIFICALLY TO COREY'S POINT, THERE ARE A LOT OF FORMATTING THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO GOOGLE.
UM, AND SO THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THE INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO
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LOG INTO THE GOOGLE SHEET DIGITALLY.UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PAIRING DOWN THAT I THINK WOULD NOT MAKE THE DOCUMENT AS EFFECTIVE AS YOU WANT IT TO BE IF WE WERE TO PDF IT.
SO JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, WE CAN STILL DO THAT.
WELL, I'M, I'M KIND OF SUGGESTING BOTH IF THAT'S, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IF IT'S NOT HORRIBLY, IF IT'S JUST TERRIBLE TO DO AND IT'S JUST GONNA REALLY BE WORTHLESS AS A PRINTOUT, FINE.
BUT, UM, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO THAT AND, AND DEFINITELY LOAD THE WHOLE THING INTO WHERE WE CAN GET TO IT.
AND THEN, UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE EVERYONE WANTED THE CLEAN DOCUMENT UP THERE TO, TO, UH, COMMENT.
UM, BUT NOW IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE LIKE ME THAT WOULD LIKE A HARD COPY OF THE LESLIE, CAN YOU PUT THAT OTHER, SORRY, AGE? YEAH.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT A HARD COPY OF THIS DOCUMENT? THIS TWO, LIKE THE SAME PAGES OF THE DOCUMENT? SO 2 72 GONNA, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA LOOK MUCH LIKE WHAT WE GOT.
DENISE, DO YOU WANT ONE? CAROL? ARE WE GETTING BOTH VERSION? HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT A HUNDRED PAGES.
IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE NOT UNLIKE THIS.
ARE THESE, ARE WE GETTING BOTH DOCUMENTS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS OR ARE WE GETTING, SO JUST A CLEAN 25 VERSION, RIGHT? SO THE CLEAN VERSION WE ALREADY HAVE, THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
SO THE CLEAN VERSION IS IN THE PACKET THAT WE GOT FOR THIS MEETING TODAY.
AND IT'S GONNA BE UP ON, UH, CONVEO IS IT FOR US TO COMMENT ON? WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS A, IS A PRINTED COPY OF THE CHANGES SO I CAN LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED, UM, ON, UH, UH, AS A, A PRINTED OUT COPY.
UM, SO WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE A PRINTED OUT COPY LIKE I DO OF THIS DOCUMENT? CAROL WANTS? DENISE, DID YOU WANT ONE? I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE TIME FOR IT.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA PRINT
ANY ANYONE ELSE WANNA PRINT IT OUT? COPY.
WHICH ALSO, SORRY TO CLARIFY FURTHER, JUST SO WE KNOW, THIS PRINTED MARKUP IS THE JANUARY DRAFT AND STAFF'S MARKUP, RIGHT? YEAH.
IS THE PDF OF THE SPREADSHEET DOWNLOADABLE SO I COULD PRINT IT ELSEWHERE? ARE YOU GONNA POST THAT IN PDF FORM OR IN NATIVE FORM? WELL, I THINK IT'LL HAVE TO BE IN PDF.
RIGHT NOW IT'S IN A, IT'S IN A, LIKE A LIVE SHEET.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO PDF IT AND TEST ON THE SHARED.
IF ANYONE WANTS ANY MATERIALS AT ANY POINT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO REACH OUT TO STAFF AND WE'LL PROVIDE THEM TO YOU.
UM, BUT THOSE WHO HAVE REQUESTED IT RIGHT NOW, WE'LL COORDINATE WITH YOU
ANY OTHER, ANY THOUGHTS? LIZ, SOMETHING ELSE? AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT AND BY, AND GET BACK TO YOU BY WEDNESDAY OF CHANGES.
I'VE ASKED, I'VE ASKED THAT IT'D BE EXTENDED TILL NEXT FRIDAY.
SO THAT GIVES US ABOUT NINE DAYS.
IT'S STILL A TIGHT SCHEDULE, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK WE CAN EXTEND IT THROUGH THE WEEKEND THROUGH WHAT WOULD BE FEBRUARY 23RD? SUNDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.
CAN WE TALK A MINUTE ABOUT SCHEDULE? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? THIS ONE? UH, WELL YEAH, YOU HAD ONE THAT HAD A LITTLE DIFFERENT FORMATTING, BUT, SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
ARE WE BEING ASKED TO DO THIS ON THIS TIMELINE BECAUSE OF THE END POINT COMMITMENT? YES.
SO WE HAVE A HARD STOP AT SOME POINT.
SO THE ANTICIPATED ADOPTION RIGHT NOW IS AUGUST.
WE WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IF THERE'S A, A FLEX THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR, THEN WE NEED TO EVALUATE IT AT THAT POINT.
UM, HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT, UM, THIS IS THE SCHEDULE THAT WE CAN STILL ACCOMMODATE AN ADDITIONAL CPAC MEETING BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN THUS FAR.
UM, AND STILL REMAIN ON THE TARGET WE HAD BUILT IN.
JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT, WE HAD BUILT IN SOME ADDITIONAL TIME FOR COORDINATION WITH THE CONSULTANT SINCE WE ARE TAKING ON THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT DUTIES, A
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LOT OF THAT EXCESS TIME IS BEING ABLE TO BE REABSORBED INTO OUR PROCESS AND OUR EXCUSE OUR SCHEDULE.AND SO WE DON'T NEED THAT ADDITIONAL COORDINATION TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY ADD AN ADDITIONAL MEETING AND NOT FLEX THE TAIL END OF THE SCHEDULE AT THIS POINT.
SO THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, I STILL, UH, THINK THAT UH, IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO US TO HAVE A MEETING WITH STAFF WHERE YOU ALL SORT OF BRIEF US ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER PLANS THAT CLEARLY, UM, UH, IMPACT THE CONCLUSIONS IN, IN THE REPORT AND SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THOSE, UM, COORDINATE WITH THE PLAN OR DOVETAIL WITH THE PLAN OR WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT, HOW THEY IMPACT THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
THAT WOULD MEAN MEETING AGAIN BEFORE THE, UM, NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR MARCH.
BUT, BUT LIKE, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SUE, BUT LIKE THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW VERSUS US HAVING TO HAVE ANOTHER READ THROUGH AND NOT HAVING CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED FOR THE BACKGROUND OF READING.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA KEEP READING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND GETTING EDUCATED HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS, EDUCATED HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
LIKE THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING NOW.
I MEAN, WELL, AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AND I HAD WANTED THOSE MEETINGS TO HAPPEN IN JANUARY AND THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO THEM IN JANUARY.
'CAUSE I HAD SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR THAT TYPE OF MEETING.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, I'M JUST TRYING TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THERE IS A CERTAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OF THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE FIRST DRAFT WAS, WAS WHAT ANYONE HOPED.
UM, AND I THINK THAT CAUSED THE STAFF TO REGROUP AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR HAVING THE COURAGE TO REGROUP BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS NECESSARY.
UM, SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I'M JUST TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE SCHEDULE WITH THE END DATE OF AUGUST.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET THAT END DATE OF AUGUST.
IT, IT WAS EXTENDED I BELIEVE FOUR MONTHS FROM APRIL.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT DONE BY APRIL.
UM, SO I I DON'T MEAN YOU JUST EDITING STUFF POTENTIALLY THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE IN THERE OR NOT BE IN THERE.
I DON'T, I MEAN, LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST PLAYING THIS, I DON'T DISAGREE.
IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF READY, FIRE, AIM TO IT, BUT I'M DOING THE BEST I CAN, BUT, OKAY.
SO EVERYBODY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND TOO, ALL OF THESE OTHER DOCUMENTS ARE LIVING DOCUMENTS THAT ARE CONTINUING TO CHANGE.
WE RIGHT NOW ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN SO WE CAN COME PRESENT ON THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND IN SIX MONTHS IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
WE CAN COME PRESENT ON OH, BUT THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN, BUT WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN.
BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS TRUE.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, IS HOW THOSE PLANS INFORM, I MEAN, THEY DON'T CHANGE DRAMATICALLY, RIGHT? UM, I KNOW THEY'RE UPDATING THE, UM, THE THE PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT, BUT I THINK THERE, THERE HASN'T FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF US WHO I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL, I GET SORT OF THE, THOSE PLANS AND THE CONTEXT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE HAS THAT, THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING HAD THAT, THAT TUTORING FROM THE STAFF OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.
UM, I THINK THAT WE, UM, THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE PLANS ARE ABOUT, WHAT THEY COVER, WHAT THEY GENERALLY PROVIDE FOR, HOW THEY MIGHT CHANGE, HOW THAT MIGHT DOVETAIL WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK THERE IS A NEED TO COORDINATE WHAT IS IN THOSE OTHER PLANS BEYOND WHAT THIS REPORT DID, WHICH WAS, YEAH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER PLANS OUT THERE DO THAT STUFF TOO.
WELL, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT IT, WHAT THE FIRST DRAFT SAID.
SO I THINK YOU'RE HEARING AT LEAST FROM SOME OF US, A DESIRE TO HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THESE OTHER PLANS, RECOGNIZING THAT THEY MAY CHANGE, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW,
AND SO A LOT OF THINGS MAY CHANGE AS WE'RE LEARNING.
SO I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I STILL THINK THAT WE NEED THAT KNOWLEDGE TO, AND I AGREE WITH DENISE'S POINT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN AND I JUST THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE THINGS INTERACT AND WHAT ALL IS THERE.
SO ANOTHER POINT I'D MAKE IS WE ALSO HAVE A VERY, UM, ROBUST STAFF TEAM WHO ADMINISTERS THESE PLANS REVIEWING THIS DOCUMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALIGN.
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AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, A A NOTE I WOULD MAKE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A VISIONING DOCUMENT ABOUT THE FUTURE.WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO CONSTANTLY BE LOOKING BACK AT A PLAN FROM 2017 AND SAY, OKAY, DOES OUR 2050 VISIONARY DOCUMENT ALIGN WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE IN 2017 WITH THE ANTICIPATING IT'S GONNA CHANGE? 'CAUSE WE DID GO THROUGH EXTREMELY ROBUST ENGAGEMENT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE CONCEPTS, THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE CONSIDERED IN THESE OTHER PLANS ARE CONCEPTS THAT IMPACT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
AND, AND THOSE ARE SUMMARIZED IN THE, IN THE PLAN, UM, IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENT SECTION AS WELL.
WE'LL, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION ON THAT AND, AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T GET THE, I DON'T GET THE HESITANCE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CPAC THAT SAYS, OKAY, HE 40 THAT WANTS TO DO THAT.
I MEAN ALL OUR, ALL I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S OUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR IN THE PAST.
HERE'S HOW IT DOVETAILS WITH YOUR DISCUSSIONS OF WALKABILITY.
HERE IS WHAT THE AIRPORT PROVIDES.
THEY CHANGE, I SUSPECT THEY MAY HAVE SHRUNK A LITTLE BIT BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN.
THIS IS WHAT THE FAA DOES, THIS IS HOW THAT WORKS, THIS IS HOW IT IMPACTS, UM, THE, THE VISION YOU MAY HAVE FOR A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, TO ME THAT DISCUSSION I THINK, AND THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO I, I THINK THAT THAT WAS A KEY COMMENT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT THE MARKUP AS WELL.
UM, WITH THE STAFF INTERNAL REVIEW TEAM, WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK AND TO IDENTIFY RELATIVE TO THE PLANNING COMPONENTS, PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING OR THINGS WE HAVE DONE.
UM, TO HELP ILLUSTRATE THE POINT, I THINK ONE OF THE MOST COMMON CRITICISMS THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, WAS THAT THE PLAN NEEDED TO REFERENCE ADDISON SPECIFICALLY MORE.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE MARKUP THAT WE WILL ADD MORE SPECIFIC TEXT TO.
I'M NOT SURE, GIVEN THE TIMELINE WE HAVE THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE PIECES AND PARTS THAN I AM, BUT IT JUST STRIKES ME AS THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD COME INTO THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT ALL THE INITIATIVES THAT TOWN'S DOING.
IF WE, SO YOUR POINT, YOU ASKED FOR THIS EARLIER, I THINK IF WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE DOABLE.
BUT IF WE'RE STILL TRYING TO LIVE WITH THIS TIMELINE, I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS MAY BE FOR, UH, STAFF AS THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PLAN, THEY KNOW FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE WHERE IT TOUCHES OTHER PLANS.
AND, AND THERE MAY BE A WAY TO PUT THE BURDEN ON YOU TO BASICALLY KIND REITERATE BACK TO US SOME OF THE SALIENT POINTS OF THESE PLANS THAT TOUCH ON IT.
BECAUSE I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE, THE BURDEN FALLS ON YOU AND US TO HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS.
'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE YOU COULD COVER ALL THIS IN ONE MEETING.
UM, IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS AND AS MUCH AS I WANT TO BE EDUCATED, I'M JUST NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE TIME IF, IF WE WANT TO STICK WITH THIS TIMELINE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT LESLIE WAS SAYING.
I MEAN OUR, YOUR PARKS DIRECTOR IS REVIEWING, YOU'LL SEE HER COMMENTS ALONG WITH HER STAFF'S COMMENTS IN THERE.
UM, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IS REVIEWING IT AND YOU'LL SEE HER COMMENTS IN THERE ALONG WITH ALL OF HER STAFF IS REVIEWING IT.
I MEAN, THE AIRPORT IS REVIEWING IT.
AND SO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PLANS ARE MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THAT IS WORKING TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
AS LONG AS I'VE DONE THIS, I CAN'T SIT THERE AND TELL YOU I'M THE EXPERT IN ANY ONE OF THESE PLANS, BUT THEY ARE REVIEWING THAT AND THEY'RE REVIEWING IT SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ALL WORKING TOGETHER.
SO KINDA RAISES THE ISSUE IS THAT THEIR PLAN? OURS
WHO, WHICH PLAN IS DRIVING THE BUS? YOU SAID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE UMBRELLA.
AND SO I ASSUME ALL THESE VERY SPECIFIC PLANS ARE THE SPOKES OF THE UMBRELLA, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPOKES ARE, ARE DRIVING THE UMBRELLA INSTEAD OF VICE VERSA.
NO, SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE UMBRELLA.
SO THIS IS THE VISION OF WHAT WE WANNA SEE AS WE REDEVELOP THESE PLANS AND ADOPT NEW PLANS AND UPDATE THESE PLANS, WHICH HAPPENS MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY THAN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY ARE THEN REALIGNED WITH THE GOALS AND THE VISION OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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SO THE, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU COULD THINK OF, IT'S STEERING US IN A DIRECTION.IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GIVING US ALL THE FINE TUNE STEPS TO GET THERE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE SMALL, WHETHER IT'S A SPECIAL AREA PLAN LIKE THE MIDWAY SOUTH PLAN OR THE MASTER UH, TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN STREET, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? UM, LIKE A COMPLETE STREET OR MAKING IT MORE WALKABLE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF A MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND AN ENGINEERING STUDY SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOT, WE CANNOT SUPPORT THAT ON THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE.
THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA PURSUE IT JUST BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS IT'S A COHESIVE DOCUMENT WHEN WE HAVE TO PUT ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER TO, TO PUSH IT FORWARD.
I I DON'T SEE THERE'S A CONFLICT.
UH, YOU JUST SAID IT VERY WELL THAT I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT.
I MEAN, AGAIN, MY NAME PLATE SAYS ADVISORY, RIGHT? WE'RE ADVISING ON A, ON A, ON A AND A STRATEGIC VISION.
AND IF WE GET THERE AND ONLY THERE, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THE MISSION.
AND YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'RE RIGHT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE PLANNING STEPS, OKAY, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DETAILS THAT HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT, NONE OF WHICH CAN BE ANTICIPATED HERE BECAUSE NOBODY'S REALLY TAKEN THAT CLOSE OF A LOOK.
THAT'S WHAT WE PAY STAFF TO DO, IS WHAT YOU PAY PE THAT'S WHAT YOU PAY EMPLOYEES TO DO.
AND, AND, AND FRANKLY, I THINK MY COLLEGE PROFESSORS WOULD TELL ME THIS IS A HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT,
SO ONE POTENTIAL IS, AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, HOW THE, HOW THIS WILL SHAKE OUT IN THE NEWER DRAFTS, BUT THE PRIOR DRAFT ADVISED THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, WHERE POSSIBLE SORT OF NARROW DOWN BELTLINE AND MIDWAY WE JUST SPENT $40 MILLION TO REBUILD MIDWAY, WHICH WE'VE NEEDED TO DO.
AND I'M EVER SO DELIGHTED THAT WE DID THE PROJECT, BUT WE CAN'T.
BUT HOW DO WE VISION THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN? WE JUST REBUILT IT.
SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PLAN MAY CONFLICT WITH OTHER PLANS.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE GOING THROUGH THIS AND I, I APPLAUD THAT.
BUT THEN THAT SORT AS I JUST SAID, IT KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION LIKE WHO'S WHOSE REPORT IS THIS? AND WE'RE, YES, WE ARE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT WE WERE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT JUST TO SIT ON A LOG AND LISTEN.
SO WE, WE NEED TO DO OUR JOB AND BE SATISFIED THAT WE'VE DONE OUR JOB AND THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE TO COUNCIL TO ADOPT THIS REPORT AND THEY'RE GONNA DECIDE P AND Z WILL DECIDE AND THE COUNCIL WILL DECIDE.
BUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, I WANT THIS BODY TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE.
AND, AND I'VE HAD SOME DISCOMFORT.
THAT'S WHY I HAD THE DISCUSSIONS AND THAT'S WHY I'VE, UH, RAISED THE ISSUE TONIGHT ABOUT A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE OTHER PLANS AND, AND CARVE OUT TIME TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AMONGST OURSELVES IF WE NEED IT.
UH, SO IN TERMS OF HAVING ANOTHER MEETING, CAN WE JUST PUT THAT TO A MAJORITY VOTE AFTER MY COMMENT? UM, AND IF MOVE FROM THERE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A REDIRECT AS WELL IS MY QUESTION IS ABOUT MAYBE TO DAVID'S POINT, WE HAVE A SCHEDULE, WE HAVE ONE MORE REVIEW AND ONE MORE RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO WHEN I GO TO REVIEW A DOCUMENT, IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW THE CONTEXT OF WHAT LEVEL OF DETAIL I'M REVIEWING TO MM-HMM
IF YOU GOT ANOTHER THOUSAND COMMENTS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR, THESE ARE THE VERY STRONG ITEMS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IN MARCH.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT LENDS TO REVIEW THIS.
BECAUSE I CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A THOUSAND COMMENTS.
UM, I I GUESS I, I WOULDN'T PUT IT OUT AS A GOAL, BUT UM, YOU'RE, WE WANT YOUR, WE WANT THE FEEDBACK 'CAUSE THAT IS WHAT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO MAKE THE PLAN BETTER.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF COMMENTS, WE WOULD LOVE FOR ANYONE TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS ON ANY, WHETHER IT'S A HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT OR MAYBE IT'S A TERM THAT'S
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BEEN USED THAT IS CONFUSING, UM, TO PUT A COMMENT.AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME DIALOGUE WITHIN CONVEO, YOU CAN DO THAT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN RESPOND TO EACH OTHER'S COMMENTS.
YOU CAN THUMBS UP, YOU CAN THUMBS DOWN WHETHER YOU AGREE.
UM, IT IS ANOTHER WAY TO HAVE A KIND OF A, UM, A DIALOGUE WITHOUT SETTING IN A ROOM TOGETHER.
UM, AND TO SEE WHERE THE CONSENSUS LIES.
'CAUSE THERE WAS QUITE A FEW COMMENTS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAME FROM ONE PERSON THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP, BUT NO ONE KNOWS IF FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OR NOT.
UM, WHICH IS WHAT HELPED FRAME SOME OF THESE POLLING QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CONSENSUS LIES.
UM, 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE MASSIVE CHANGES ON 1300 COMMENTS AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER 1300 COMMENTS THAT SAY CHANGE IT BACK.
SO REAL QUICK ABOUT HIS COMMENT, WHICH I'M GONNA ASK ABOUT RULES OF THIS.
IF WE HAVE SOME INFORMATIONAL MEETING, DOES A MAJORITY HAVE TO BE HERE OR NOT? OR CAN IT BE WHOEVER WANTS TO COME TO THAT CAN COME TO THAT AND THE OTHERS DON'T HAVE TO COME? VERSUS A MAJORITY RULES THEN DECIDES IF WE HAVE THAT WE ARE, WE ARE SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
SO WHAT PERCENTAGE, SO HOW MANY OF US HAVE TO BE HERE? BELIEVE 13 IS A QUORUM.
UM, AND SORRY, ONE MORE JUST TO TACK ONTO YOUR COMMENT.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT GRAMMAR OR SPELLING, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE DOING SPECIFICALLY THAT TASK AS WELL.
SO DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL THE NEED TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE COMMENT RELATED TO A GRAMMATICAL ERROR.
UM, SO I THINK, UM, WE'RE AT A BIT OF A, A PAUSING POINT.
SO, UM, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE DISCUSSION, I THINK WE HAVE KIND OF TWO OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S IF WE WANT TO TRY TO DO AN EDUCATIONAL MEETING ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT, UM, ARE REFERENCED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, I THINK THE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IS THAT THIS STAFF TEAM PREPARE SOME DOCUMENTS IN AN EMAIL AND SEND THOSE OUT THAT ARE MORE OF A DO IT YOURSELF LOOK THROUGH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.
UM, WE CAN TRY TO SYNTHESIZE THOSE AND ALSO PROVIDE YOU DIRECT LINKS AS WELL.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO COMMENTS.
SO WE HAVE A MEET, UH, IN A MORE FORMAL SETTING, GIVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION OR THE, DO DO, DO THE HOMEWORK, UM, AS, AS AL MENTIONED.
SO, UM, I THINK IT ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE FORMAL MEETING, YOU RAISE YOUR HAND OR SPEAK NOW FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE DIFFERENT.
AND THOSE THAT MAY BE IN FAVOR OF DOING THE, THE DIY HOMEWORK SCENARIO.
SO WE WILL WORK DILIGENTLY TO PROVIDE THAT.
WE WILL TRY TO GET THAT TO YOU NEXT WEEK, EARLY NEXT WEEK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN HAVE SOME TIME TO REVIEW THAT.
AND THEN, UM, IN PREPARATION FOR THE REVIEW OF THE NEXT DOCUMENT, UH, ONE OTHER NOTE I'LL MAKE, WE ARE AIMING TO RELEASE THE, WHAT WILL BE THE THIRD DRAFT IN ADVANCE OF THE MARCH 27TH MEETING, SO YOU ALL WILL HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS SOME, SOME STRUGGLES WITH THE, THE PLAN AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RELEASE IT AS EARLY AS WE HAD HOPED IN, IN TIME FOR THIS MEETING.
BUT IT WAS STILL IMPORTANT TO HAVE A DIALOGUE TONIGHT FOR US.
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TIME IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR AS A PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO COMMENT.UM, TYLER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA HAND THE MIC OVER, BUT OH, OKAY.
HEARING NO ONE ELSE, UH, TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, I WILL CLOSE THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING AND THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED.