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CAUGHT.[1. Call Meeting to Order]
UH, I CALLED TO ORDER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORK SESSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 29TH, 2025.UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM HERE, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO LESLIE.
[1. Present and discuss the Unified Development Code (UDC) Draft.]
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING TO CHAT ABOUT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, WE ARE JOINED HERE BY OUR CONSULTANT, UM, CLARION AND ASSOCIATES, UM, TO HELP US PRESENT KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS AND SOME UPDATES.
AND WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED SOME GOOD QUESTIONS AND SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION AS WELL.
BUT, UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, WE HAVE INCORPORATED THE COMMENTS, OR EXCUSE ME, I SHOULDN'T SAY.
WE, OUR, UH, CONSULTANT HAS DONE HEAVY LIFTING, INCORPORATING ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE NOVEMBER REVIEW, UM, INTO THIS NEW CONSOLIDATED DRAFT THAT YOU'VE HAD AVAILABLE SINCE, UH, FOR ABOUT THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF.
SO, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO GABBY.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANKS EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I PROMISE THAT WE ARE NEARING THE FINISH LINE AND THAT YOU CAN STOP SEEING, UH, ME AND OR MATT DO PRESENTATIONS AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT IN ORDER TO GET THERE, WE ARE ON OUR FINAL CONSOLIDATED DRAFT.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT THAT REALLY WALKS BACK THROUGH EVERY ARTICLE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE KEY IMPROVEMENTS AND CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, SO IT'S, UM, I'LL TRY AND GET THROUGH IT DECENTLY QUICK SINCE AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THAT.
UM, SO THEN WE CAN GET TO QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION AT THE END.
WHICH WAY SHOULD I, NO, THAT WOULD HELP.
SO AGAIN, THE TEAM IS MYSELF, UM, MATT GOBEL, UM, WHO YOU SHOULD SEE LATER IN FEBRUARY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE, UM, WORKED WITH JIM DOUGHERTY ON THE, UM, LAW PIECES.
UH, THIS IS OUR SCOPE AND TIMELINE.
UM, SO WE ARE, WE'VE DONE ALL THE DRAFTING, WE'VE DONE ALL THE PIECES, WE'RE PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER AND WE'RE ONE STEP CLOSER TOWARDS ADOPTION.
SO AS A REMINDER, UM, OUR OVERARCHING GOALS FOR THIS PROJECT WERE FIRST AND FOREMOST TO IMPLEMENT THE ADDISON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND STAFF HAS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF COORDINATING THIS DRAFT WITH THE, UM, CURRENTLY IN MOTION, UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
SO THINGS WILL STILL ALIGN, UM, SIMPLIFYING AND IMPROVING THE USER FRIENDLINESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THOSE REGULATIONS MEET THE CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS OF THE TOWN.
UM, SO THE UDC CONSISTS OF SEVEN ARTICLES, UM, AND THOSE MOVE FROM GENERAL PROVISIONS, UM, AND THEN END WITH DEFINITIONS.
AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EACH OF THOSE ARTICLES.
SO THE GENERAL PROVISIONS ARTICLE IS REALLY JUST SETS THE TONE SETS, WHAT IS THE LAND OR WHAT IS THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, SO IT SETS FORTH THE PURPOSE AND THE APPLICABILITY.
IT ESTABLISHES HOW CODE PROVISIONS RELATE TO OTHER TOWN PLANS, UM, AND OTHER LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
UM, AND IT ESTABLISHES HOW PRIOR APPROVALS VIOLATIONS AS WELL AS PENDING APPLICATIONS WILL BE PROCESSED BY THE NEW UDC.
THIS ARTICLE ALSO INCLUDES INFORMATION RELATED TO LEGAL NONCONFORMITIES, HOW THE TOWN ENFORCES CODE REGULATIONS, WHAT'S CONSIDERED A VIOLATION, AND THEN THE PENALTIES AND REMEDIES AVAILABLE FOR THAT VIOLATION.
AND THEN IT ALSO DESCRIBES THE POWERS DUTIES AND MEETING PROCEDURES FOR THE VARIOUS REVIEW AND DECISION MAKING BODIES, UH, LIKE YOU ALL.
SO THE NONCONFORMITIES SECTION IN PARTICULAR SPECIFIES DIFFERENT TYPES OF NONCONFORMITIES, UM, AND SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR EACH.
SO THERE'S NON-CONFORMING USES, NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES, NON-CONFORMING LOTS, AND THEN NON-CONFORMING SITE FEATURES.
SO THAT WOULD BE THINGS SPECIFICALLY LIKE NON-CONFORMING, OFF STREET PARKING OR LOADING AREAS, NON-CONFORMING LANDSCAPING, EXTERIOR LIGHTING, ET CETERA.
UM, SO THIS SECTION CLARIFIES WHEN A NON-CONFORMITY LOSES ITS STATUS.
AND THEN THE EXTENT OF CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE TO A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE OR A NON-CONFORMING USE, UM, BEFORE IT REQUIRES BRINGING THAT SITE INTO FULL COMPLIANCE
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WITH THE UDC.AND THEN THE REVIEW AND DECISION MAKING BODIES SECTION.
THIS INCLUDES, UM, A REFERENCE TO THE MUNICIPAL CHARTER, WHICH IS WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL PROCEDURES LIVE.
UM, AND THEN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, SO FOR EACH OF THOSE BODIES, IT INCLUDES THE PROCEDURAL DETAILS FOR MEETINGS, UM, THAT ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE NEXT ARTICLE IS THE ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES.
UM, THIS ARTICLE BEGINS WITH THE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS THAT ESTABLISH SORT OF THE BUILDING BLOCKS FOR EACH PROCEDURE, AND THEN IT MOVES INTO THE SPECIFIC PROCEDURE, WHICH PUTS ALL THOSE BLOCKS TOGETHER WITHIN EACH OF THE PROCEDURES.
SO THE KEY GOALS FOR UPDATING THIS ARTICLE WERE TO DELEGATE MORE DECISION MAKING POWER TO STAFF WITHIN THE LIMITATIONS AVAILABLE, UM, BY TEXAS LAW, UM, ESTABLISHING THOSE COMMON PROCEDURES, CODIFYING AND UPDATING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCEDURE, AND THEN ESTABLISHING A PROCESS TO ALLOW MINOR MODIFICATIONS.
SO THIS ARTICLE BEGINS WITH A SUMMARY TABLE OF REVIEW PROCEDURES, AND THIS REALLY IS KIND OF THE ONE-STOP SHOP FOR ALL THINGS PROCEDURES AND APPLICATIONS.
SO THE TABLE INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE FULL SPECIFIC PROCEDURE.
SO THAT CODE REFERENCE, UM, WHICH IN THE ONLINE DOCUMENT IS HYPERLINKED.
UM, IT TELLS YOU WHETHER PRE-APPLICATION ACTIVITIES LIKE A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE OR A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS REQUIRED OR OPTIONAL.
AND THEN IT TELLS YOU WHICH DECISION MAKING BODY REVIEWS OR RECOMMENDS ON THE APPLICATION, AND THEN WHICH BODY IS MAKING THE DECISION AS WELL AS WHERE THE DECISION CAN BE APPEALED TO WHEN RELEVANT, UM, AND ALSO WHETHER OR NOT A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED FOR THAT APPLICATION.
SO THE COMMON PROCEDURES ARE THE PROCEDURES THAT APPLY, UM, TO MOST DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS IN THE TOWN.
UM, SO THOSE INCLUDE, UM, THOSE PRE-APPLICATION ACTIVITIES, THE PRE-OP CONFERENCE WITH STAFF, UM, OR A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, UM, ACTUALLY SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION, THE STAFF REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, HOW PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE SCHEDULED AND NOTICED, UM, HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE, AS WELL AS THOSE POST-DECISION ACTIONS AND LIMITATIONS.
AND SO THESE ARE ALL CONSOLIDATED IN ORDER TO AVOID REPETITION WITHIN EACH OF THOSE SPECIFIC PROCEDURES.
UM, AND THEN IN EACH PROCEDURE THERE IS ONE OF THESE FLOW CHARTS THAT TRIES TO MAKE IT A LITTLE VISUALLY CLEAR OF WHAT STEPS ARE REQUIRED.
SO A FEW THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT HERE.
UM, THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING PROCESS, UM, WHICH ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT EARLIER IN THE PROCESS FOR MAJOR PROJECTS THAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR REZONING, UM, AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
OTHERWISE IT'S OPTIONAL, UM, FOR PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULING A NOTICE, THERE'S A NEW SUMMARY TABLE THERE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MAILED POSTED AND PUBLISHED NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING MINIMUM TIMEFRAMES, UM, TO HELP KEEP THINGS CONSISTENT, UM, WITH ADMINISTRATION OF THE UDC.
AND THEN THOSE POST-DECISION ACTIONS, UM, ESTABLISHED WHEN DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS EXPIRE, IF THEY CAN BE EXTENDED AND THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO BE REVOKED.
UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES THE ABILITY FOR THE DIRECTOR TO MAKE MINOR CHANGES TO APPROVED PLANS.
THE NEXT ARTICLE IS ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, SO A KEY IMPROVEMENT HERE IS THE NEW PAGE LAYOUT FOR EACH ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THIS LAYOUT FOR EVERY DISTRICT INCLUDES A PURPOSE STATEMENT, THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO THAT ZONING DISTRICT, AND THEN A REPRESENTATIVE GRAPHIC THAT INCLUDES LABELS TO HELP VISUALLY DESCRIBE THOSE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS.
SO A BIG STEP FORWARD HERE ON THE USER FRIENDLINESS.
UM, SO THE ZONING DISTRICT, UM, LINEUP HAS BEEN UPDATED.
UM, THE ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, A FEW WERE CONSOLIDATED IF THOSE DISTRICTS HAD SIMILAR PURPOSES.
UM, LOT AND BUILDING STANDARDS OR PERMITTED USES CURRENTLY, UM, ELIMINATED DISTRICTS THAT WERE RARELY OR NEVER APPLIED.
AND THEN ESTABLISHED ONE NEW DISTRICT, UM, WHICH IS THE, UM, NEW M THREE DISTRICT.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE EXISTING
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DISTRICT IS ON THE RIGHT AND THEN THE NEW DISTRICT IS ON THE LEFT.UM, SO ALL OF THE CURRENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE APPLIED TO THE ZONING MAP HAVE A, UM, CONVERSION DISTRICT THAT THEY WILL BE MOVING TO, UM, THAT M THREE DISTRICT, UM, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE APPLIED TO THE ZONING MAP AS PART OF THIS CONVERSION, BUT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE APPLICATION TO THE MAP FOR IT'S INTENDED FOR PROPERTIES ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS TO TRANSITION, UM, FROM SUBURBAN STYLE MIXED USE INTO MORE URBAN STYLE MIXED USE LIKE ADDISON CIRCLE, AND THEN PROPERTIES WITHIN THOSE LEGACY DISTRICTS.
UM, SO THOSE CAN, CAN CONTINUE AS CONFORMING ALL OF THE USES AND HOW THOSE EXIST NOW CAN CONTINUE AND THEY WON'T BE REZONED AS PART OF THIS.
UM, BUT THOSE DISTRICTS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE REZONING.
SO IN THE FUTURE, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REQUEST A APARTMENT DWELLING OR THE PD TOWNHOUSE OR, UM, CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION.
THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HAS ALSO BEEN REVISED TO TRY AND REDUCE THE TOWN'S OVER RELIANCE ON THAT TOOL THAT CAN BE CHALLENGING TO ADMINISTER OVER TIME SINCE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LOT OF MINI ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, THE PURPOSE STATEMENT HAS BEEN REVISED TO REFLECT THE SHIFT CLARIFYING THAT IT'S MEANT TO BE FOR REALLY UNIQUE AND COMPLEX PROJECTS THAT PROVIDE PUBLIC BENEFITS IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY THEY'RE BEING GIVEN TO VARY FROM THE BASE ZONING.
FURTHER CRITERIA HAVE BEEN ADDED THAT, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICTS AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, UM, CAN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHIN ONE OF THE BASE ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO AGAIN, REALLY TRYING TO JUST MOVE AWAY FROM RELYING ON PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO REALLY THE USE STANDARDS CONSIST OF THREE MAIN COMPONENTS, THIS USE TABLE, THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS, AND THEN THE DEFINITIONS OF THOSE USES.
SO THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE DRAFT USE TABLE AND, UM, SORT OF FOUR MAJOR QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS USE TABLE.
UM, SO THE LEFTMOST COLUMN IS, UM, WHAT IS IT? SO WHAT USE, UM, ARE YOU TRYING TO OPERATE OR TRYING TO BUILD? UM, NEXT THE INTERNAL CELLS ANSWER, UM, WHERE CAN IT GO AND BY WHAT PROCESS? SO IF THERE'S A P IT'S A PERMITTED USE BY RIGHT? IF THERE'S AN SA SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
AND IF IT IS A BLANK CELL, THEN IT IS A PROHIBITED USE.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC AND THE ONE THAT WAS STILL IN THE MOST RECENT DRAFT, UM, INCLUDES, UM, THIS SORT OF MARKING OF HOW THAT HAS CHANGED FROM CURRENT ALLOWANCES.
IN THE FINAL VERSION OF THE CODE, THERE WON'T BE ANY OF THESE STRIKETHROUGHS OR THE RED, UM, SHADING OR THE GREEN SHADING OR THE WORD NEW.
UM, THAT WAS JUST A WAY TO HELP, UM, MAKE THE REVIEW OF THIS USE TABLE A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE NOW VERSUS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO JUST TO NOTE THAT IT WILL NOT ALWAYS LOOK SO COLORFUL.
UM, THAT FINAL COLUMN ON THE RIGHT THAT WILL INDICATE IF THERE ARE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS, WHICH ARE THOSE STANDARDS THAT ARE, UM, SPECIFIC TO CERTAIN USES THAT MIGHT HAVE IMPACTS BASED ON OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS, UM, LIKE HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, SOME USES ARE, UH, HAVE EXTRA SCREENING REQUIREMENTS OR MORE LIMITED IN WHERE THEY CAN BE LOCATED.
UM, THAT HAVING A CROSS REFERENCE IN THERE, WHICH AGAIN ON AN ONLINE DOCUMENT, UM, SHOULD HYPERLINK YOU DOWN TO THAT SECTION, UM, SHOWS YOU THAT THOSE EXTRA STANDARDS APPLY.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST A SLIDE OF A NON-EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF NEW USE TYPES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE TABLE.
UM, SO THINGS LIKE RESIDENTIAL, UM, NEW COTTAGE DEVELOPMENTS, COMMERCIAL USES, THINGS LIKE MOBILE FOOD, TRUCK PARKS, UM, AND MAJOR VEHICLE REPAIR VERSUS MINOR.
UM, AND THEN SOME INDUSTRIAL USES LIKE ARTISAN MANUFACTURING, SO SMALLER, UM, INDUSTRIAL USES THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH IMPACT AS KIND OF CLASSIC INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND THEN ACCESSORY USES LIKE DONATION BOXES AS WELL AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, SO THE ADDITION OF BOTH ACCESSORY AND TEMPORARY USES, UM, IS NEW.
UM, AND THIS INCLUDES SOME GENERAL REQUIREMENTS ABOUT SIZE RESTRICTIONS, UM, FOR ACCESSORY USES AND STRUCTURES.
UM, AGAIN, SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS ON OPERATIONS.
AND THEN FOR THOSE TEMPORARY USE STANDARDS, ALSO SOME TIME LIMITATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.
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IS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND THIS INCLUDES, UM, A FEW DIFFERENT TOPICS, TOPICS, BUT IT BEGINS WITH THIS APPLICABILITY THRESHOLD TABLE, UM, THAT DESCRIBES WHEN CERTAIN STANDARDS REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH THESE INDIVIDUAL, UM, TOPICS.THINGS LIKE PARKING, LANDSCAPING SITE, AND BUILDING DESIGN.
UM, AND AS WELL AS IF THAT IS FOR THE ENTIRE SITE OR JUST THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT AREA.
AND THAT'S DEFINED AS THOSE AREAS OF THE LOT OR PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT, UM, OR THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, PROJECTS GENERALLY FALL INTO THREE CATEGORIES, EITHER NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, AND THEN MINOR TIER ONE OR MAJOR TIER TWO PROJECTS.
SO AN EXAMPLE OF A MINOR PROJECT ARE THINGS LIKE EXPANSIONS BETWEEN 10 AND 50%, LIKE THE INSTALLATION OF AN OUTDOOR PATIO, WHICH IS THAT TOP PHOTO.
UM, AND THEN MAJOR PROJECTS WOULD INCLUDE ALTERATIONS TO MORE THAN 50% OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
SO THINGS LIKE THE REDESIGN OF A SHOPPING CENTER, LIKE SHOWN IN THE PHOTO ON THE BOTTOM.
UM, SO THE FIRST SPECIFIC STANDARD IS ACCESS AND CIRCULATION.
SO THIS IS A NEW SECTION AND IT INCLUDES VEHICULAR, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CONNECTION STANDARDS, UM, WHICH INCLUDES THINGS LIKE STANDARDS FOR STREET CONNECTIVITY, BOTH WITHIN AND CONNECTED TO THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN DEVELOPMENTS.
THE PARKING AND LOADING STANDARDS INCLUDES A NEW TABLE OF MINIMUM VEHICLE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH DIRECTLY MIRRORS THE USE TABLE, UM, FOR BETTER USER FRIENDLINESS THERE.
UM, AND THERE'S A NEW MAXIMUM PARKING LIMITATION FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ONLY OF 125%, UM, OF THE MINIMUM REQUIRED.
AND UH, THIS SECTION ALSO INCLUDES SOME NEW PARKING ALTERNATIVES.
UM, SO THE ABILITY FOR APPLICANTS TO DO SHARED PARKING IF THEIR PARKING OR DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT OR THEY HAVE ON STREET PARKING AVAILABLE.
UM, IF THOSE FACTORS ARE THERE, THEY CAN REQUEST A, UM, REDUCTION IN THEIR REQUIRED MINIMUM PARKING, UM, UP TO 25%.
UM, WE'VE ADDED ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STANDARDS, UM, WHICH ARE THAT PARKING AREAS WITH 50 OR MORE SPACES HAVE TO PROVIDE ONE EV CHARGING SPACE FOR EVERY 25, SO REALLY APPLIES TO LARGER PARKING LOTS.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME NEW DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY AND PARKING LOT DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE LANDSCAPING SECTION HAS BEEN BETTER, UM, TAILORED TO URBAN AND SUBURBAN CONTEXT WITH NEW, UM, STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENTS THAT RESPOND TO THOSE CONTEXT.
THERE ARE NEW BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY MIXED USE AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT OR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DUPLEX USES.
UM, THE TOWN'S ARTIFICIAL TURF STANDARDS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED SO THAT IF ARTIFICIAL TURF IS BEING USED, IT MEETS THOSE BASE STANDARDS ESTABLISHED BY, UM, THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO CLARIFIED THE TREE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE REMOVAL OR REPLACEMENT OF HERITAGE, UH, SIGNIFICANT AND PROTECTED TREES, UM, ALONG WITH LANDSCAPING.
THIS SECTION ALSO INCLUDES STANDARDS RELATED TO SCREENING AND FENCES.
IT ESTABLISHES THAT ANY LANDSCAPING USED TO SCREEN CAN ALSO COUNT TOWARDS YOUR MINIMUM REQUIRED LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND IT LAYS OUT THE STANDARDS FOR SPECIFIC SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR MECHANICAL AND UTILITY EQUIPMENT, REFUSE CONTAINERS, OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS, OFF STREET LOADING SPACES, AND THEN THE PARKING OR STORAGE OF VEHICLES ON UNIMPROVED SURFACES, WHICH IS IN YOUR CURRENT UDC.
AND THEN THERE ARE NEW STANDARDS FOR COMPATIBLE DESIGN, ARTICULATION AND ALIGNMENT OF FENCES.
UH, NEX IS BUILDING DESIGN, UM, AND THERE'S A LOT IN HERE FOR THIS BEING.
UM, THERE'S A LOT IN THAT SECTION FOR THIS BEING ONE SLIDE, BUT TO SUM IT UP, UM, IT ESTABLISHES TOWN WIDE STANDARDS FOR GREATER CONSISTENCY ACROSS PROJECTS AND TO MINIMIZE THE NEED TO USE PD.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED STANDARDS, UH, ARE FOR MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS, MIXED USE OR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND SO SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT ARE REGULATED INCLUDE BUILDING ORIENTATION, UM,
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LOCATION OF ENTRANCES, UH, ELEMENTS OF BUILDING MASS WINDOWS, MATERIALS, AND SOME OTHER ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.AND SO A LOT OF THOSE ARE BASED ON CURRENT BELT LINE AND UC DISTRICT STANDARDS THAT WE'VE MORE GENERALLY APPLIED TO THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT, THERE ARE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION STANDARDS.
AND SO WHAT THESE DO IS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL BUILDING STEPBACK AND BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, UM, BETWEEN NON-RESIDENTIAL HIGHER INTENSITY USES AND LOWER INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES TO TRY AND LIMIT, UM, THE IMPACTS AND THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER.
ANOTHER NEW SECTION IS FOR EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
UM, AND SO WE'VE DRAFTED STANDARDS THAT ARE SIMPLE TO ADMINISTER, BUT THAT DO GET AT THE KEY ISSUES.
UM, SO TRYING TO LIMIT LIGHT SPILLOVER BETWEEN PROPERTIES, THE PROHIBITION OF FLASHING LIGHTS, THE REQUIREMENT TO SHIELD LIGHTS, AND, UM, ESTABLISHING MAXIMUM LIGHT TRESPASS LEVELS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THERE ARE SPECIALIZED LIGHTING STANDARDS FOR PARKING AREA LIGHTING AND SERVICE STATION CANOPIES.
SINCE THOSE ARE, UM, MORE UNIQUE TYPES OF LIGHTING, THE SIGN CODE HAS BEEN UPDATED WITH REVISIONS TO ADDRESS OVERALL CONSISTENCY AND CLARITY OF REGULATIONS, UM, WITH SOME USER FRIENDLY GRAPHICS AND TABLES ADDED.
UM, IT'S ALSO BEEN REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL REGULATIONS RELATED TO CONTENT NEUTRALITY, WHICH LIMITS SIGNS TO TIME, PLACE AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS.
TARGETED REVISIONS ALSO INCLUDE ADDING MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR ADDITIONAL STANDARD IN THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IN MORE INTENSE ZONING DISTRICTS, ALIGNING CONTENTS AND THE ASSOCIATED PERMITTING AND VARIANCE PROCESSES WITH CURRENT TOWN PRACTICES.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A NEW MASTER SIGN PLAN PROCESS TO REPLACE THE CURRENT SIGN DISTRICTS AND IT ALSO STANDARDIZES METHODS OF MEASUREMENT FOR SIGNAGE.
UM, JUST A FEW HIGHLIGHTS HERE.
THIS INCLUDES NEW LOT PLANNING AND REVISED BLOCK LAYOUT STANDARDS.
UM, SO AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE THAT, UH, BLOCKS CANNOT BE LESS THAN 200 FEET OR MORE THAN 600 FEET IN LENGTH.
AND THIS ALSO INCORPORATES THE RECENTLY ADOPTED PARKS, TRAILS AND RECREATIONAL AREAS, DEDICATION AND PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE REQUIREMENTS.
LAST ARTICLE IS DEFINITIONS AND JUST A NOTE ON THE ORGANIZATION.
UM, THESE DEFINITIONS ARE GROUPED BY TYPE, SO THE USE RELATED DEFINITIONS, MEANING IF IT'S LISTED IN THE USE TABLE, ARE IN THAT SECTION.
FLOOD PLANE RELATED DEFINITIONS HAVE BEEN GROUPED, AIRPORT DEFINITIONS AND SIGN DEFINITIONS THE SAME.
AND THEN ALL OTHER DEFINITIONS FOLLOW.
AND SO REALLY HERE WE'VE TRIED TO USE AS CLEAR AND CONSISTENT LANGUAGE AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN WE'VE ADDED NEW DEFINITIONS WHERE EXTRA CLARITY WAS NEEDED.
SO THINGS LIKE DEFINING WHAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL IS, UM, WHAT LIGHT TRESPASSES, UM, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT WAS THE PRETTY QUICK AND SPEEDY OVERVIEW FOR QUITE A LONG DOCUMENT.
UM, BUT WANTED TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THESE IF THESE ARE TECHNICALLY QUESTIONS TO YOU GABBY, OR IF THEY'RE STAFF QUESTIONS.
UM, REQUIRING ELECTRIC CHARGING AT ONLY 50, IT SEEMS SMALL.
THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE LOWER THAN 50, THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE AN ELECTRICAL CHARGING SPACE UNLESS THERE'S 50 SPACES OR MORE THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT VERY MANY PLACES IN THE CITY.
I MEAN, LIKE A LOT OF OUR RETAIL PLACES I FEEL LIKE ARE SMALLER THAN 50.
BUT WOULD YOU WANNA REQUIRE IT IN SOME FORM OF, SO, UM, WHAT, I GUESS, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION OR DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER YOU THINK IS MORE APPROPRIATE? LIKE WHEN THEY HIT A LIKE 30, 25, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE THRESHOLD THAT WOULD TO START REQUIRING THOSE? THAT WAS MORE LIKE 25, 30, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAJOR RETAIL CENTERS THAT ARE 50 OR MORE, I CAN ONLY CUP UP WITH A HANDFUL, THEN YOU START GETTING INTO REALLY SMALLER, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PLACES THAT PARKING LOTS ENJOYING EACH OTHER AND MAY NOT KICK IN THAT 50 REQUIREMENTS.
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KIND OF WHERE, UM, TJ FRIDAY'S ISN'T THERE ANYMORE, BUT THAT WHOLE SECTION, THE OLD CONTAINER STORE BUILDING YEAH.YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE GETTING INTO SPACES THAT AREN'T TECHNICALLY ONE SITE THAT'S 50, BUT YOU'RE AT A LOT HEAVIER CONCENTRATION THERE OF PARKING SPACES.
I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THINK THERE'S A WAVE OF THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, MY OFFICE BUILDING HAS, I BET, FOUR OR FIVE AND THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THAT PARKING GARAGE.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW, I, IS THERE ANY STANDARDS THAT ARE SET? SO GOVERNMENT ARE GONNA REQUIRE ANYTHING? I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF ELECTRICAL LAWS COMING OUT.
SO YEAH, THERE WE DO HAVE, UM, QUITE A FEW OF OUR OLDER, UM, PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE SEEKING VARIOUS GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO INSTALL EV CHARGING.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS, I MEAN, I WILL SAY THAT A LOT OF OUR NEW, ESPECIALLY OUR NEW MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT IS WANTING A LOT MORE, I MEAN MORE THAN 30, I, I WANNA SAY THAT THE AM TREEHOUSE PROJECT PUT IN LIKE TRYING TO PUT IN 40, 40 OR 45.
UM, SO IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN MULTIFAMILY.
I WILL SAY WE HAVEN'T SEEN A HIGH DEMAND IN OUR RETAIL CENTERS FROM THE OWNERS TO PUT THEM IN.
BUT I, IT SOUNDS LOW, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOW NUMBER.
BUT I, I LOOK AT THE, I LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF EV CARS ON THE ROAD AND IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 8% IN THE US I MEAN, RIGHT.
BUT I MEAN THAT'S GOING TO NATURALLY INCREASE IT SEEMS, SEEMS LOW TO ME, BUT YEAH.
OR NOT LOW ENOUGH, LIKE TOO HIGH OF A THRESHOLD BEFORE YOU KICK 'EM IN, I GUESS IS WHERE I'M GOING.
UM, NEXT, ACTUALLY I HAD ONE THING ON THAT ONE, DENISE.
I AGREE WITH THE NO WORRIES, NO WORRIES.
I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT ON THAT AND MAYBE IF NOT CHANGING THE RATIO, CHANGING OR CHANGING THE THRESHOLD, CHANGING THE RATIO ONCE THE THRESHOLD IS HIT, LIKE THE WHOLE FOODS PARKING LOT, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GREAT FOR EVS.
UM, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, IT'S PROBABLY WELL OVER 50 MAYBE INSTEAD OF ONE PER 50 OR WHATEVER THE RATIO IS, MAYBE DOUBLE THAT, UM, WOULD BE SOMETHING WORTH.
SO SPACES WHERE IT'S BIG ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT COMES WITH ELECTRICAL VEHICLES.
GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TO BUILD.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK PART OF, PART OF THE THING IS, IS LIKE IF YOU HAVE A, A VERY SMALL OWNER THAT'S GOT AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH 10 SPACES OR YOU KNOW, 20, THAT'S, THOSE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE TO PUT IN UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA GET A GRANT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU.
MAYBE, MAYBE ONCE YOU HIT WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, MAYBE IT'S 30 OR 40 OR 50, THEN YOU PUT IT LIKE MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF CHARGERS PER SPACE OR PER, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SHARE A DIVERGENT OPINION, WHICH IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL HAVE AN INTEREST IN MAKING HIS PROPERTY DESIRABLE AND HE WILL CHOOSE TO DO SO WHEN IT MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE AND HE WORKS WITH THE UTILITY.
I WOULD NOT SPECIFY THIS AT ALL.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO TELL A PROPERTY OWNER THAT HE HAS TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SO THAT WE HAD DURING PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT IT WAS, THIS IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE AND AND TO YOUR COST POINT, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE PEOPLE AVOID IT AND IT BECOMES A DETERRENT.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION.
SO I, I PERSONALLY DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS IT IN THIS, IN THIS GOING THAT THIS IS TO COVER US FOR HOW MANY OF OUR YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
IF NOBODY COMES AND THAT'S A DETERMINANT FACTOR, THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL DEFINITELY WANNA PUT ONE IN, WOULDN'T HE? DISAGREE? I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT LOGIC AT ALL.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING AND ADDRESS THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE GONNA BE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS DOCUMENT IS.
I JUST, I'M JUST SHARING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS I PREFER TO LET PROPERTY OWNERS USE THEIR PROPERTY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT THAT THEY DETERMINE.
I I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I WAS GONNA ASK ANYBODY HERE HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR, SO NO, BUT I HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS THAT DO.
AND THE WEIRD THING, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, SO THE, WE'VE HAD IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
IT'S NEVER BEEN CHARGED ANYWHERE EXCEPT FOR INSIDE OF MY GARAGE.
BECAUSE EVERYBODY GETS A CHARGER LIKE FOR DRIVING AROUND TOWN.
SO, BUT BUT YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH BUT GO ON DISTANCE.
HOW MUCH HOTEL ACTIVITY WE HAVE HERE, RIGHT? NO, WE HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS THAT COME TO THIS PLACE.
THAT'S WHY WE REASONING FOR NOT HAVING ONE IS I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH MANAGING YOUR TRAVEL OUT AND MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEIR PURPOSE LONG TERM IS, DOES WORK VERY WELL FOR TRAVELING, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS THAT COME HERE.
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OKAY.ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT ISSUE? I'LL GO INTO MY NEXT COMMENTARY OF MY LIST.
AND I KNOW I MADE COMMENTS TO THIS EARLIER.
UM, WHO, WHO DETERMINED THAT LAND VALUE? 'CAUSE I STILL THINK TO THIS DAY IT'S LOW.
I MEAN LAND IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THAT IN THE CITY.
WHAT WAS THE PAGE NUMBER? 3 29? I MEAN THE FOOT, THE FIR ACRE, LIKE THAT COST OF THAT.
OH, THIS IS ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION SECTION.
ARE YOU FIVE 60? OH, UM, IT IS WHAT'S 6.2, 6.4? UM, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR BY CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO THAT, UM, WAS, THAT NUMBER WAS DETERMINED BY THE CONSULTANT, WHICH WAS 110%, WHICH CONDUCTED THE STUDY TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE.
SO THAT WHAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNSEL BACK IN NOVEMBER WAS COPY AND PASTED INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD A PLACEHOLDER IN THE DOCUMENT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
'CAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS UNDER DEVELOPMENT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT DIDN'T HAVE AN ADOPTED VERSION YET.
AND SO WITH THIS MOST RECENT DRAFT YOU RECEIVED, THE ADOPTED VERSION GOT COPIED IN THERE.
UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PARKLAND DEDICATION STUDY AND PULL THAT FOR YOU.
AND, AND I'M ASSUMING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS NUMBER WON'T CHANGE UNTIL UDC GETS ADDRESSED AGAIN OR IS THAT NUMBER OF FLUID NUMBER THAT CHANGES ANNUALLY? SO THAT CAN, SO HOW, THERE'S A LOT OF STATE STATUTE RELATED TO HOW YOU CAN ASSESS DEVELOPMENT FEES LIKE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, UM, AND SO THAT CAN BE ASSESSED AT ANY TIME THROUGH A STUDY.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE LED BY THE PARKS TEAM AND THEN AMENDED LATER.
UM, IT JUST, IT KIND OF WOULD DEPEND ON THE TRENDS WE'RE SEEING.
AND IF, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF VALUE CHANGES DRASTICALLY, WE WOULD WANT TO INITIATE A NEW STUDY BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MISS OUT ON ANY OPPORTUNITY.
UM, SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE SOMEHOW FOOTNOTED ON THIS SECTION AS TO PROCEDURES OR HOW THAT GOES ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT NUMBER ISN'T JUST WRITTEN IN STONE? THAT IT CAN, IT CAN CHANGE.
WELL, IT'S WRITTEN IN STONE UNTIL, WELL, IT'S NOT, WELL I GUESS IT IS.
SORRY IT WAS ADOPTED ALREADY, BUT IT IS WRITTEN IN STONE UNTIL IT'S AMENDED AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT BY READING THIS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I GUESS I'M GETTING AT IS, IS IT, DOES IT NEED TO REFERENCE THE DOCUMENT THAT CONTROLS THAT ULTIMATELY AND THAT THAT DOCUMENT CAN BE ADJUSTED? NO, THAT, SO RIGHT NOW IT LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE CODE BECAUSE IT'S, IT WAS ADOPTED AHEAD OF THIS, BUT IT WILL, ITS FINAL RESTING PLACE WILL BE IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ONCE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ADOPTED AND IT WON'T LIVE IN A SEPARATE PLACE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF UM, THE WERE TO REDO THE STUDY IN 10 YEARS AND THAT FEE CHANGES, IT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE WOULDN'T AMEND A SEPARATE ORDINANCE THAT EXISTS PER SE.
SO, SO IN THAT SCENARIO, IN 10 YEAR IT GETS CHANGED.
DOES THIS DOCUMENT CHANGE ON THE PAGE I'M LOOKING AT? OR IS AN AMENDMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE PACKAGE TO LIKE A LATER VERSION, LIKE AN APPENDIX? NO, IT WOULD LIKELY AMEND THIS.
YOU WOULD GO AMEND THIS PAGE PER SE.
OKAY THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT THEN.
AND JUST TO CONTINUE ON THAT, WE HAVE, SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT, UM, COMPLEX TO THE AVERAGE READER.
SO WE HAVE CREATED EXCEL SPREADSHEETS THAT A DEVELOP THAT WE CAN SEND TO A DEVELOPER AND THEY CAN DROP IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND IT QUICKLY CALCULATES THEIR COSTS.
SO IT KIND OF SIMPLIFIES ALL OF THIS INTO A, A LOCKED EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT WE'RE USING NOW.
I MEAN, GIVEN WHAT I DO, I JUST THINK THE VALUE'S LOW, THAT'S ALL.
WHICH I GET THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
ANYBODY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT OR CAN I KEEP GOING DOWN MY LIST? YOU CAN KEEP GOING, BUT I'M GUESSING YOU GUYS KIND OF USE NUMBERS THAT OTHER TOWNS AROUND HERE COMPARABLE TO US USE THE CONSULTANT DID IT.
SHE SAID I KNOW, BUT SHE, I DON'T WANNA CONSULT, CONSULT VIEWS SAID SHE SAID SHE'D GET BACK TO ME ON YEAH, I DON'T WANNA, THERE'S, UM, IT'S HEAVILY REGULATED IS HOW IT'S DONE, BUT IT, I DO KNOW IT HAS TO DO WITH THE AVERAGE LAND VALUE WITHIN ADDISON, UM, BASED UPON A CERTAIN AMOUNTS.
AND I DO KNOW THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED A DISCOUNTED RATE, SO BECAUSE WE COULD, WE COULD CHARGE THE FULL AMOUNT, RIGHT? BUT IT WAS ASTRONOMICAL BECAUSE
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OUR LAND VALUES WERE SO HIGH.SO I BELIEVE A COUNCIL ADOPTED A 30% DISCOUNT.
I CAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU THE, THE DETAILS OF THAT.
UM, BUT THEY, I DO KNOW THEY ADOPTED A DISCOUNTED RATE, LIKE I SAID, I BELIEVE IT WAS 30% AND THAT WAS SO THAT WE'RE NOT DETERRING DEVELOPERS FROM COMING IN, ESPECIALLY SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPERS.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION WHICH SOMEWHERE IN THE STUFF YOU SENT OUT FOR DOCUMENTS, I DIDN'T, THERE IT, IT IN REFLECT IT ONLY HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW I MET, IT'S BECAUSE I MET WITH LESLIE FOR LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF AND WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT AND MADE HER DO A LOT OF NOTES.
SO, UH, IT WAS MORE THOROUGH THAN JUST A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS.
SO, AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LESLIE OR NOT, SO PARDON ME, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT, WHAT IS THE BIG HESITATION OF NO VINYL SIGHTING FOR HOUSE HOUSING, LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
LIKE TO ME VINYL SIGHTING IS MAINTAINED A LOT BETTER BY CERTAIN PEOPLE THAN ROTTED WOOD IS.
AND IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT VERY MUCH THAT DIFFERENCE.
I NOTICED THEY CHANGED IN HERE, YOU WENT TO LIKE A HARDY PLANK OR A SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I, I I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE REASONING IS AND I GET IT FOR NOT DOING IT ON AN APARTMENT COMP.
I MEAN I GET THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT GIVEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC WE HAVE IN THIS CITY, I MEAN IT'S AN AGED, YOU KNOW, THAN IT'S JUST AN EASIER WAY TO MAINTAIN A HOME.
AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION TO HAVE, UM, I THINK DI DIS DISCOURAGED IT OR PROHIBITED IT IN SOME INSTANCES.
UM, IT'S JUST A LOWER QUALITY BUILDING MATERIAL.
WE DID REMOVE THAT, UM, AND PROVIDED A CAVEAT THAT ANY ACCEPTABLE BUILDING CODE MAT, ANY ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL NOTED IN THE BUILDING CODE IS ACCEPTED.
AND THAT COMES FROM THE, UM, STATE LAW, WHICH I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF YEAH.
THE ONE THAT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER EITHER.
BUT THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT MUNICIPALITIES HAVE, THERE'S A LOT OF LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT REGULATE RELATED TO.
WAS THAT A LOWER FOOTNOTE OR SOMETHING I JUST DIDN'T PICK UP ON LIKE IT IS, IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TABLE.
AND TO TIE IN TOO, 'CAUSE I PROBABLY DIDN'T DIG ANY FURTHER, THERE'S A LOT OF VINYL FENCING THAT'S USED NOW THAT ISN'T A STIPULATION OF BEING CUT OUT IN HERE, IS IT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I BELIEVE VINYL IS STILL AN OPTION FOR FENCE MATERIAL.
THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO BUILDING MATERIAL AND YEAH.
ANYBODY VINYL WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT FIRE RATING VERSUS HARDY BOARD.
SO I THINK THERE, THERE IS AN ARGUMENT FOR SAFETY AND FIRE SPREAD THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO THAT MATERIAL CHOICE.
ANYBODY ELSE COMMENT TO THAT? OKAY.
UM, AND I HAVE TO FIND MY OTHER NOTE.
SO ANYBODY ELSE FOR THE SECOND? I GOTTA DIG IN HERE WHERE I HAD SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOMETHING I, WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THE MEETING, WHICH IS THE IMPERVIOUS PERCENTAGES FOR RESIDENTIAL.
JIMMY HAD A LITTLE NOTE ABOUT, UM, AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK HE HAD TO A GOOD POINT.
UH, HE'S, I THINK HIS STUFF WOULD PROBABLY BE IN AN RR ONE, LIKE I'M AN R TWO AND I'M SURE THAT I HAVE PEOPLE IN MY HOUSE EVEN AT, EVEN AT OURS IS EIGHT, LIKE 80 20, RIGHT? IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S GOTTA BE 20% OPEN.
CAN IT BE MORE THAN 80%? BUT I, I LOOK, I JUST DID A LITTLE QUICK LOOK AT AERIAL ON GOOGLE EARTH AND I THINK I'M GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CREATE SOME, A BUNCH OF NON-CONFORMING USES.
'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE, THEY GOT A LITTLE BITTY BACKYARD, THEY JUST PAVED THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT? IT'S MAYBE DECORATIVE PAVERS, SOME POTS AND STUFF BACK THERE.
AND THEY HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT TAKES UP THE FRONT AND THEY JUST HAVE A LITTLE BITTY STRIP OF GRASS THAT'S LEFT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW, DID YOU, DID ANYBODY LOOK AT LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU'RE GONNA, HOW MANY HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES YOU'D PUT IN THE VIOLATION OR IT'S NOT A VIOLATION, BUT NON-CONFORMING MAKES MAKE, MAKE SOME NON-CONFORMING BY THESE PERCENTAGES CONFORM USE.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULDN'T BE A NON-CONFORMING USE, IT WOULD BE A NONCONFORMING SITE PLAN.
UM, SO LIKE THAT GETS COVERED IN THAT 1.66 I THINK BECAUSE I'LL LOOK INTO THAT TO YOU WITH THAT COMMENT.
BUT HOW THOSE NONCONFORMITIES ARE ADDRESSED DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S A USE STRUCTURE, ET CETERA.
SO HOW, AND THIS WOULD BE SITE PLANNING IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPES.
SO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NON-CONFORMING SECTION AND ALSO ADD THAT THERE WAS A RESPONSE PROVIDED AT YOUR
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SEAT FROM STAFF IN WRITTEN FORM.OH, UM, IF, IF YOU WANT, I MEAN WE'RE WELCOME TO CHAT ABOUT IT HERE, BUT UM, I WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AS WELL THAT JADE PUT TOGETHER.
UH, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NON-CONFORMING SECTION, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
YOU COULD HAVE A NON-CONFORMING USE, YOU COULD HAVE A NON-CONFORMING, UM, STRUCTURE.
YOU COULD HAVE A NON-CONFORMING SITE STANDARD, I THINK IT'S CALLED SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND THERE'S DIFFERENT COMPLIANCE METHODS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, AND OUR NON-CONFORMING SECTION IS FAIRLY LENIENT.
UM, IN ALL INSTANCES WE WOULD ALLOW THAT USE TO CONTINUE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE REFER TO THINGS AS LEGAL NON-CONFORMING OR ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS AN ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING 'CAUSE THAT MEANS IT WAS ALWAYS ILLEGAL.
AND SO IT'S, IT NEVER BECOMES LEGAL NON-CONFORMING IF IT WAS ALWAYS ILLEGAL.
BUT IN THESE INSTANCES IT WOULD BE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING AND IT COULD EXIST.
THERE'S EVEN PROVISIONS IN THERE FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR AND EVEN UP TO REPLACEMENT IN SOME INSTANCES, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T INCREASE THE NON-CONFORMITY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE, LET'S SAY THAT YOU HAVE A PROPERTY AND IT'S 90% COVERAGE, YOUR REQUIREMENT IS 80.
IF YOU COME IN AND TRY TO PAVE OVER THAT REMAINING 10%, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
BUT YOU CAN KEEP YOUR 90% UNTIL YOUR PROPERTY IS REDEVELOPED THAT LINE.
AND TO MY POINT, RIGHT? SO MY BACKYARD NOW I'VE GOT A PATIO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 1500 FEET OR SOMETHING, I DON'T HAVE MUCH GRASS, I GOT FAKE GRASS BACK THERE ENOUGH FOR MY DOGS TO RUN AROUND.
BUT IF I WANTED TO SOME REASON EXPAND MY, NOT MY PARTICULAR HOUSE, BUT SOME, SOME HOUSES THEY WANTED TO ADD A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT OF OF PAVERS OR SOMETHING BACK THERE IN A PARK THAT'S SHADED OUT.
HELLO? UM, I DID LOOK AT THE R ONE AND R 16 DISTRICT.
SO PER THE COMMENTARY THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY SENT, THERE WERE A COUPLE ADDRESSES THAT WERE LISTED.
SO LOOKED AT THOSE IN PARTICULAR AND RAN THE PERCENTAGES.
SO IN TERMS OF NON-CONFORMITY, TO ECHO WHAT LESLIE SAID, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER STANDARD IS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
SO THERE ARE PROPOSED MAXIMUMS WITH THE NEW DISTRICTS THAT WILL NOT BE REACHED.
SO WE CAN LOOK ON AN AERIAL AND SEE THE MOST COVERED AREAS AND HAVE DONE THAT FOR THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE THE BACK PATIOS PAVING IN THE FRONT AND THE REAR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND SO FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE LOOKED AT, THEY WERE COMING IN AT ABOUT 25 TO 35% COVERAGE AND THE NEW MAXIMUM IS 60.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND, BUT NOT, WE HAVE NOT SURVEYED.
YOU HAVEN'T SURVEYED, I MEAN YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT R ONE AND I'M, I'M TALKING MORE, I'M REALLY TALKING ABOUT R TWO.
LOTS ARE NOT, SOME OF THOSE LOTS ARE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 5,000, 4,000 FOOT LOTS.
YOU PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON IT IN A DRIVEWAY AND A SIDEWALK AND A PATIO ON BACK.
NOW YOU'RE MINE MINE'S 40 BY A HUNDRED.
YOU PROBABLY ARE OVER 80% COVERED THEN IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR BACKYARD.
ITS, SO, I, I MEAN I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND THE, THE INTENT OF THESE, UM, MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS AREAS IS PRIMARILY SO THAT WE HAVE PRESERVED SOME OPEN SPACE AND TREES.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND WE HISTORICALLY NEVER HAVE, UNLESS IT'S IN A SPECIFIC PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE STANDARDS, WHICH IS EXTREMELY RARE IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UH, I MEAN I I'LL SAY WE, WE DID NOT DO A SURVEY 'CAUSE WE SPECIFICALLY DID A SURVEY REFERENCING JIMMY'S COMMENT.
WE'LL GO BACK AND DO A SURVEY OF THE 80% IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
I I MEAN IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD POINT.
AND WE DO NEED TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT NONCONFORMITY NONCONFORMITY MAY LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND I MEAN ULTIMATELY IF IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD REMOVE.
UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE IS A TRADE OFF AND THAT TRADE OFF IS WE DON'T HAVE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS.
SO IF WE WANNA MAINTAIN SOME SEMBLANCE OF OPEN SPACE IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IN A LOT OF, ESPECIALLY IN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CREATES A LOT OF THE CHARACTER, WE MIGHT NEED TO KEEP SOMETHING.
AND MAYBE IT'S INCREASING IT TO 90.
I, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE DIDN'T HAVE LANDSCAPE.
I MEAN WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR NOT HAVING LANDSCAPE STUFF.
'CAUSE IT'S TRE I MEAN THERE'S A MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE DO A LOT BETTER THAN A LOT OF TOWNS NORTH.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN THERE LONGER THAN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE THING.
AND THEN YOU GUYS WILL, WILL INCLUDE LIKE, LIKE
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COULD YOU USE IMPERVIOUS CONCRETE OR PERVIOUS CONCRETE TO AS, RIGHT.THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF METHODS.
SO OUR DEFINITION FOR, SO WE HAVE SOME, NOT CONFLICTING, BUT U NOT EVEN UNIQUE, BUT JUST, UM, SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS.
SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, OPEN SPACE, WHICH WE REQUIRE OP 20% OPEN SPACE FOR OUR NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
AND, UM, THAT OPEN DEFINITION OF OPEN SPACE REQUIRES LIVING MATERIAL.
IT NEEDS TO BE IMPERVIOUS LIVING MATERIAL, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UM, IS IS DIFFERENT.
SO NO, BUT LIKE THERE'S LIKE THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE PERMEABLE CONCRETE NOW.
OR LIKE THAT WOULD COUNT OR LIKE TURF WOULDN'T COUNT AGAINST YOU.
OR LIKE TURF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD, COULD SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT I'LL MENTION IS THAT IN THE PROCEDURES, THAT MINOR MODIFICATION PROCEDURE, UM, IF YOU WERE IN FOR A SITE PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, THAT MINOR MODIFICATION PROCEDURE DOES ALLOW FOR A 10% ADJUSTMENT TO THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
AND SO THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND HOW THAT GETS APPROVED, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER SORT OF PATH FOR A PROPERTY THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, BE HITTING CLOSE TO, UM, EITHER 80 OR 60, UM, OR ANY OF THE OTHER.
I DON'T, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH OUT OF SINGLE FAMILY LOTS IN TOWN UNLESS, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG THING RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT COULD CAUSE CONCERN TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE A HOUSE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GO, WELL MY LOT IS NON-CON IT'S NON-CONFORMING.
AND THAT CAN KIND OF FREAK SOME PEOPLE OUT.
SO I JUST WANT TO JUST, I JUST, THAT'D BE GOOD IF YOU GUYS JUST KIND OF DO A GENERAL LOOK, SEE AND SEE IF IT'S LIKE, I MIGHT BE WRONG.
MAYBE IT'S ONLY FIVE HOUSES, YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE IT'S 200.
I'M, I'M A, I'M A LITTLE LATE TO THIS GAME, UM, BEING A NEW MEMBER AND NOT HAVING GONE THROUGH THE HISTORY.
SO I PLEASE TAKE EVERYTHING I SAY WITH A BIG CAVEAT, THAT BIG CAVEAT THAT I MAY NOT HAVE THE HISTORY THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS CONCERNED ME ABOUT THE DOCUMENT IS I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SUFFICIENTLY STUDIED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE WILL PUSH INTO NON-CONFORMITY AND THE LATITUDE OF, OF THAT EFFECT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY HAS VINYL PLANK ON THEIR HOME AND WE ADOPT THIS, EVERYBODY WITH VINYL PLANK BECOMES NON-CONFORMING AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
IS THAT A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING? UH, NO, IT WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T BECOME NON-CONFORMING.
NO, IT'S AN, IT'S AN APPROVED BUILDING MATERIAL.
I'M SORRY, IT'S AN APPROVED BUILDING MATERIAL.
I THOUGHT WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION THAT IT HAD TO BE BODY, UH, HARDY BOARD AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
NO, SO THERE'S, UM, STATE LAW, THERE WAS STATE LAW THAT WAS PASSED IN 2019 THAT SAYS WE CAN'T REGULATE BUILDING MATERIAL AS, AS LONG AS IT IS AN APPROVED BUILDING MATERIAL IN THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
SO THE O THE CAVEAT TO THAT IS IF FOR SOME REASON THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE THAT WE ADOPT IN THE FUTURE CHANGES THAT BUILDING MATERIAL.
BUT IN THAT CASE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, IF IF THAT CHANGES THEN WE PROBABLY WON'T, DON'T WANT TO USE THAT MATERIAL.
UNLESS IT HAS A RATIONAL SAFETY MM-HMM
AND I JUST, I JUST KIND OF DISCUSSED HOW YOU COULD GET INTO A TRAP THERE, RIGHT? YOU COULD ARGUE THAT WE'VE PUT HARDY BOARD IN THERE.
IT IS A, IT IS A FIRE RELATED ISSUE AND WE COULD HAVE A CONFLICT, I GUESS.
UM, BUT I'M CONCERNED WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE EXACTLY WILL BE PUSHED INTO NON-CONFORMITY.
AND I'D LIKE SOME ESTIMATE OF THAT, UH, TO BE COMFORTABLE SAYING, I'M NOT GONNA PUT 80% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN ADDISON.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
I HAVE NO, I INTO NON-CONFORMITY.
I, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH TOM TO SOME EXTENT.
I WOULDN'T WANNA BUILD THE SAME HOUSE BACK THERE.
IT WOULD COME BIGGER ON A GROUND, LARGER ON THE GROUND FLOOR THAN IT IS CURRENTLY, WHICH MEANS I LOSE MORE AND I GET MORE TROUBLE.
'CAUSE I WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THAT 10% WOULD COVER ME TO BE ABLE TO GET A VARIANCE OFS 10%, UH, AT 80 FOR WITH 80% LOT COVERAGE.
I DON'T HAVE A, I ONLY HAVE, MY LOT IS 40 BY A HUNDRED AND I CURRENTLY HAVE A TWO STORY HOME ON IT THAT'S 1800 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S ALMOST EVENLY DIVIDED AT 900, 900 AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A GROUND, A DOWNSTAIRS BEDROOM.
AND IF THAT HOUSE BURNT DOWN TODAY, I WOULD BUILD A HOUSE THAT INCLUDED A DOWNSTAIRS BEDROOM.
AND I'M GONNA PROBABLY BLOW THAT RIGHT THERE.
UM, YEAH, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, THE, THIS IS A, A LOT OF TIMES WHERE THE STANDARD IS PUT INTO PLACE IS FOR PROTECTION OF OPEN SPACE AND UM, ALSO KIND OF, I WANNA SAY PROTECTION OF CHARACTER, BUT TO KEEP SOME SENSE OF COHESIVENESS.
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PREVIOUS CITIES I'VE WORKED WITH, THERE WAS REQUIREMENTS PUT IN PLACE THAT SPECIFICALLY DETERRED PEOPLE FROM PURCHASING MULTIPLE LOTS AND TEARING DOWN THE HOMES AND BUILDING WHAT THEY WOULD REFER TO AS MEGA MANSIONS IN THESE SMALLER, UH, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT OR WE'RE DOING THAT WITH THE UDC, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT COULD HELP PROTECT IS, IS GENERAL CHARACTER.
UM, JUST, JUST SOME THOUGHTS FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT IF WE NEED TO, IF THE DIRECTION IS THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE IT OR INCREASE IT, WE CAN DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF JUST ME, I WOULD, I MEAN IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR FRONT YARD, I THOUGHT WE DID FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE MUST HAVE DONE THAT DURING THE, THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS WAY BACK WHEN, BECAUSE I, I, I KNOW THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW PEOPLE HAVE CUT THE TREES DOWN OR THEY'VE DIED SINCE THEN.
BUT ORIGINALLY WE HAD A, THERE WAS A, YOU HAD TO DO A TREE LIKE EVERY 40 FEET OF FRONTAGE THAT YOU HAD.
SO LIKE WE HAD SO MANY, I MEAN, CAN, LIKE THE WHOLE ROAD'S COMPLETELY COVERED GOING DOWN MY STREET.
NOW SOME OF 'EM HAVE DIED, BUT I MEAN THAT MUST HAVE BEEN PROBABLY THE BUILDER JUST DIDN'T DO IT, I DON'T THINK BECAUSE THE BUILDER DID.
I MEAN, NO, HE DID IT, BUT I DON'T THINK HE DID IT BECAUSE HE WANTED, I THINK IT WAS THE TOWN SAID YOU GOTTA DO THIS.
I THINK WELL, AND THAT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, I, I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS CURRENTLY THAT REQUIRE YOU TO MAINTAIN THAT TODAY.
SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE RECENTLY ADOPTED A, UM, A GROUND COVER REQUIREMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY SAID IF YOU, IF YOU DO HAVE A LAWN, IT CAN'T BE ALL DIRT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME GROUND COVER ON IT.
IT COULD BE TURF, IT COULD BE, UM, MULCH, IT COULD BE STONE, IT COULD BE ARTIFICIAL TURF
UM, BUT, AND THAT'S WAS MORE FOCUSED ON EROSION CONTROL, NOT SO MUCH LANDSCAPING, LESLIE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW, IT MAY BE A HUGE UNDERTAKING, BUT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING, UM, WHAT POTENTIAL AREAS DO WE HAVE CONFLICTS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE PUSHING CERTAIN PROPERTIES INTO QUOTE UNQUOTE NON-CONFORMANCE OF SOME SORT OR, OR ANOTHER.
SO IT GIVES US A BETTER VIEW, LIKE THAT 80% RULE.
UM, I MEAN THAT'S SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY.
AND IS THAT NUMBER RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW.
AND DEPENDING UPON HOW MANY PROPERTIES WE ARE AFFECTING, WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND UM, I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS ONE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, MXR TODAY THAT EXISTS AND IT DOES HAVE A, A MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENT, AND IT IS MUCH LESS THAN 80%.
AND I'VE HAD TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY FROM BUILDING POOLS BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY MAXED OUT THEIR LOT COVERAGE WITH A, WITH A HOUSE AND A DRIVEWAY.
AND THIS WOULD ACTUALLY INCREASE THEIR ALLOWABLE, YOU KNOW, KNOW, UH, IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THEIR LOT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S GIVE AND TAKE ON BOTH SIDES.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT AND, UM, WE HAVE SOME KIND OF, I WOULD SAY PRELIMINARY INFORMATION REGARDING THE EXTENT OF NON-CONFORMITY CREATED.
UM, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT DEFINED TO A NUMBER OR A ACREAGE BY ANY MEANS.
BUT, UM, AT A HIGH LEVEL, WHEN ULTIMATELY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND ADOPT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND REZONE ALL OF THE PROPERTIES INTO THESE NEW DISTRICTS THAT WILL BE CREATED, UM, ALL OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES ABOUT 40% OF OUR LAND AREA, WHICH IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, THOSE ALL REMAIN.
SO THERE'S NO NON-CONFORMITY CREATED FOR AT LEAST 40%.
SO WE, WE KNOCK THAT DOWN PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY.
AND THEN, AND UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE REALLY FOCUSED HARD ON PRESERVATION OF OUR EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE ANY NON-CONFORMITY.
UM, THERE'S LIKELY SOME NON-CONFORMITY THAT EXISTS TODAY, BUT WE FOCUS REALLY HARD ON DOING THAT.
AND SO HIGH HYPOTHETICALLY, IT'S, IT'S SAFE TO SAY WE'RE NOT CREATING AN ABUNDANCE OF NON-CONFORMITY IN THOSE AREAS, WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE SLOWLY CHIPPING AWAY.
UM, AND THEN AT THAT 60% REMAINING, AND THEN THE COUPLE OF OTHER I ITEMS I'D ADD IS OUR CURRENT CODE, UH, IS SUBSTANTIALLY WHAT WAS ADOPTED
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IN 1966, OUR VERY FIRST ZONING ORDINANCE, THE LAST SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE WE HAD WAS IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, I BELIEVE 1983 OR 84.UM, AND MOST OF IT HAS REMAINED THE SAME SINCE.
SO THROUGH THIS WE, FROM A NON-CONFORMING USE PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF USES THAT EXIST TODAY.
UM, I WOULD SAY WE'RE NOT CREATING A TON OF NON-CONFORMING USES ON OUR NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, FROM A BULK STANDARD PERSPECTIVE, LIKE THINKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, SETBACKS, WE'RE ALSO NOT MAKING DRASTIC CHANGES.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, OPEN SPACE IS 20%, IT HAS BEEN 20% SINCE THE SEVENTIES.
THAT'S THE SAME MOVING FORWARD.
UM, SO ON THE USE SIDE, WE'RE PRETTY SURE IS WHAT I HEAR YOU SAY ON THE USE SIDE, WE'RE GOOD.
WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A USAGE ISSUE FOR NONCONFORMING USE.
NOT A, NOT A TON FOR STRUCTURE, BUT FOR STRUCTURE AND SITE PROPERTY.
LESS AT THE END OF UNDERSTANDING.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
SO THAT'S, BUT WE'LL DO SOME MORE EXPLORATION AND SEE, BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S OUR THOUGHT AS WE, WE KIND OF HAVE A NARROW, UM, SCOPE OF WHERE WE THINK THE NONCONFORMITY IS CREATED.
SO, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, AS AN ARCHITECT WHO'S WORKED IN ADDISON, I GOTTA TELL YOU, THIS IS A WONDERFUL DOCUMENT, SO THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK
WHERE DID THIS SECTION OF TEMPORARY SIGNAGES GO TO? DID IT GET ELIMINATED? DO YOU MEAN, DO YOU RECALL WHAT THAT WAS FOR? LIKE, UH, SIGNS ALLOWED WITHOUT A PERMIT OR JUST SAID IT WAS SECTION FIVE POINT 10.8 CALLED TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.
AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION THERE ABOUT ELECTION EVENT SIGNAGE AND I DON'T STILL THERE? YEAH, YEAH, IT DID NOT GET REMOVED.
WELL, THERE'S NO FIVE 10 ON THE INDEX, SO I GUESS I'M, IT'S PAGE 2 81.
WELL, ON MY DOCUMENT YOU MOVED SECTIONS.
SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? IT'S REMOVED IN SECTIONS BECAUSE THE SIGNAGE JUST STOPS AT 5.9 12.
THERE WAS NUMBERING ERRORS IN THAT.
SO WHERE DO I NUMBER DOCUMENT, WHERE DO I NEED TO FIND THIS? WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR? 5, 9, 8 IS THE, UM, BASICALLY, UH, SIGNS USED TO BE FIVE 10 AND THEN NOVEMBER DRAFT AND NOW IT'S FIVE NINE.
BUT ITING ELSE SHOULD ALIGN THAT, THAT SECTION DID NOT, IT'S NOT IN HERE.
IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL IN THERE.
BUT THE SEC THE CONTENT SEC IN, IN THAT SECTION DID NOT CHANGE.
NO, IT THEY, I FOUND IT, IT FIXED WHAT I POINTED OUT.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER SMALLER QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A MEDIUM TO LARGE SIZE QUESTION AND I, I WANT TO GIVE SOME TIME TO SMALL QUESTIONS BEFORE I DUMP.
LOOK ON THE THING, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR THE TREE MITIGATION REAL QUICK.
I DON'T, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS.
THE HERITAGE TREES, I GET TWO TO ONE, YOU'RE DOUBLING THE CALIPER INCHES OR THOSE BIG TREES.
THE NEXT ONE IS SIGNIFICANT TREES, LIKE 20 TO 30 INCH.
IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR REPLACEMENT IS ONE TO FIVE.
AND THEN YOU'RE DOWN ON A SMALLER, JUST REGULAR PROTECTED TREES.
IT'S ONE TO ONE CALIPER INCH PER CAINS.
OH, WHAT'S THE SECTION? OH, SORRY, I DON'T KNOW.
IS THAT, I MEAN, AM I NOT, AM I NOT, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT'S SAYING THERE.
IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE 1.5 TO ONE? LIKE THE HERITAGE TREE IS A GREAT BIG ONE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TELLING, YOU'RE SAYING IF TO CUT DOWN A 30 INCH HERITAGE TREE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH 60 CALIBER INCHES.
IT'S PROBABLY SUPPOSED TO BE ONE POINT SHOULD 0.5 TO, RIGHT, RIGHT.
YEAH, I READ EVERY WORD OF THIS DOCUMENT.
LESLIE, I KNOW WE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE I PUT A NOTE THAT I HAD IT, BUT, HMM.
SECTION FIVE 10 SIGNAGE MASTER SIGN PLAN REVIEW.
WHY DOES IT REQUIRE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVAL WHEN THAT IS NOT LAND N USAGE? YOU SAID THAT WAS FOR MASTER SIGN PLAN.
SO A MASTER SIGN PLAN IS A, UM,
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INTENDED TO BE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY HAS A MASTER SIGN PLAN.IT'S INTENDED TO BE A SMALL AREA DISTRICT SIGN PLAN.
SO IT COULD BE, I WON'T SAY LAND USE PER SPECIFIC, BUT IT'S DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC.
UM, IDENTIFYING, 'CAUSE THAT COULD IDENTIFY, UM, GATEWAY SIGNAGE OR LARGE SIGNAGE AS WELL AS IT COULD GO SO FAR AS TO SPECIFY UNIQUE STANDARDS FOR ATTACHED OR DETACHED SIGNS AND SO FORTH.
ONE QUICK THING ON ENFORCEMENT FOR ENFORCEMENT OF ANY OF THESE, ANY OF THESE THINGS, UM, ISN'T IT UP IS UP TO YOU? IS THAT WHAT IT, WHO, WHO ENFOR WHO DOES THE, WHO DOES THE ENFORCEMENT, THE WONDERFUL STAFF OF THE TOWN OF ADDISON? OR WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU ASKING A SPECIFIC ITEM? LIKE, I'M SPECIFICALLY ASKING LIKE, IS THERE LIKE A CODE COMPLIANCE? WE DO, WE HAVE A CODE COMPLIANCE TEAM.
UM, IT INCLUDES A CODE COMPLIANCE MANAGER, A SENIOR CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER, AND TWO, UM, CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SORTA GETS ME IS WHEN I HAVE COMMERCIAL STUFF THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE THAT SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND THE ANSWER IS, WELL THAT OWNER IS, WE WE'RE HAVING TALKED TROUBLE GETTING A HOLD OF THIS OWNER AND STUFF SETS THERE FOR MM-HMM
A YEAR, LITERALLY JUST, AND SO IS THERE ANY TEETH THAT WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A DOCUMENT, BUT I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN FORCE SOMEBODY'S HAND AND THEN, I MEAN, SOME OF THIS STUFF LOOKS, LOOKS BAD, PLEASE.
I I YOU GUYS DO PLEASE SUBMIT IT.
UM, AND I KNOW, AND I KNOW THERE'S LEGAL TIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I MEAN, CAN WE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN JUST STEP IN AND SAY, OKAY, AFTER YOU'VE HAD YOUR NOTICE, YOU'VE HAD YOUR 30 DAYS, YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT, WE'RE GONNA DO IT AND WE'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA GET CHARGED FOR IT AND YEP.
UM, I, SO I WILL SAY THAT LAST YEAR, UM, I'M GETTING MY YEARS MIXED UP, BUT LAST BUDGET CYCLE, UM, COUNCIL MADE THAT, UH, A HIGH PRIORITY AND FUNDED AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WHO OVERSEES THE CODE COMPLIANCE TEAM, A CODE COMPLIANCE MANAGER, UM, AND AN ADDITIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER.
SO WE EXPANDED THAT TEAM ESSENTIALLY FROM TWO TO FIVE.
UM, AND SO THE, WE ARE NOT FULLY STAFFED, UM, WE'RE JUST HITTING THE MARK WHERE OUR NEW CO COMPLIANCE OFFICERS WE HIRED, UM, WE HAVE ONE HITTING THE SIX MONTH MARK THIS MONTH, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S COMING IN TWO MONTHS.
SO WE ARE MOVING TO A MORE PROACTIVE AND, UM, STRICT ENFORCEMENT METHOD THAT IS ALWAYS EXISTED.
WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD AS MUCH OF A PROACTIVE IN, UM, STERN ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE.
SO, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WILL SAY THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, UM, COUNCIL ALSO PROVIDED OUR TEAM WITH A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND OUR BUDGET FOR ABATEMENT.
SO ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS IF YOU, IF WE ASK YOU AND, AND YOU DON'T COMPLY, WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE YOU A CITATION.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA HIRE A CONTRACTOR, GO FIX IT, AND WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU PLUS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE ON TOP OF THAT AND YOU'RE GONNA GET THE CITATION.
SO MOST OF THE TIME, BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT POINT, UM, THEY'RE DO IT BECAUSE OUR QUOTES USUALLY HIGHER THAN SOMEONE THEY CAN GET TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
BUT, UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING'S PERFECT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, DIGGING OURSELVES OUT OF A BIT OF A HOLE IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE THAT HAS OCCURRED.
UM, BUT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, PLEASE PUT IT IN THE FIX IT OUT.
AND I WOULD HOPE, I WOULD HOPE THAT MOVING FORWARD, I, I GET IT WHEN WE'RE DOING MIDWAY GIANT ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
AND THERE'S, EVERYTHING'S TORN UP.
BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY, SINCE WE DO DO HAVE ENFORCEMENT ON COMMERCIAL STUFF ALONG OUR STREETS, THAT WE START ENFORCING THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE AROUND THE CORNERS AND KIND OF DOWN FROM IT, THEY, EVERYBODY KIND OF JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY KIND OF JUST STOPPED DOING THEIR MAINTENANCE AND TRYING TO KEEP, KEEP THE STUFF PLACE LOOKING NICE.
AND SO NOW WITH THESE EXTRA PEOPLE, I'M HOPING THAT THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT AND SOME MORE LOOKS AT THAT STUFF.
WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE INITIATING THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE UDC ENTIRELY.
AND, UM, THAT INCLUDES THE RENTAL AND LODGING REGISTRATION INSPECTION PROGRAM THAT KICKED OFF JANUARY 1ST.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING THIS AFTERNOON, UM, ABOUT IT.
AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE HOTELS AND, AND RENTAL PROPERTIES ALREADY REGISTER.
WE HAVE OUR FIRST HOTEL INSPECTION TOMORROW.
VERY EXCITED TO SEE HOW THAT GOES.
UM, SO THE, AND ALL OF THOSE WILL INCLUDE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR INSPECTION.
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LANDSCAPING.UM, WE, WE TALKED TO ONE OF THE HOTELS WHO SAID, YEAH, THEY ALREADY GOT US.
WE JUST HAD TO INVEST 10, $10,000 IN PLANTING SOME NEW TREES.
'CAUSE WE'RE OUTTA COMPLIANCE.
SO WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT AND HAVE BEEN, UM, WE'RE JUST, LIKE I SAID, DIGGING OURSELVES OUT OF A BIT OF A HOLE.
AND A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT, I'M GLAD WE HAVE THAT NEW TEAM IN PLACE.
IS THERE A PLAN, DO WE HAVE, OR IS THERE A PLAN FOR A PUBLIC REPORTING OPTION? LIKE 3, 3 1 1, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT DALLAS HAS? SO WE HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE.
UM, IT'S, UH, YOU CAN GET THE APP ON YOUR PHONE OR YOU CAN THE APP.
I, I DIDN'T THAT, THAT WE COULD REPORT THOSE TYPES.
YOU CAN REPORT ANY IT, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU CAN REPORT ANY NON-EMERGENCY CONCERN YOU HAVE.
UM, AND SO, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A SPECIFIC CODE ENFORCEMENT ITEM, AND IT'S KIND OF A CATCHALL THAT ANY, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO PUT IT, IT GOES INTO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WE'LL REVIEW IT AND, UM, EITHER ADDRESS IT OURSELVES OR WE'LL DEFER IT TO ONE OF THE OTHER TEAMS THAT HANDLES THAT SPECIFIC ITEM.
I HAVE TWO SMALL QUESTIONS TO YOUR POINT.
FIRST ONE IS, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THAT NO NEW SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED WITH THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ONE NOW IT'S GRANDFATHERED AND IT CONTINUES FORWARD.
I WASN'T CLEAR ON THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
SO THAT WOULD OPERATE THE SAME AS LIKE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WOULD UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY.
AND THEN CAN YOU TELL ME SPECIFICALLY, I CANNOT FIND IN NEW ZONING MAP, WHAT IS THE ZONING AND IS IT SHOWN CORRECTLY FOR THE TOWN FINANCE BUILDING? I DON'T KNOW.
IS THERE ANY SPECIAL CARVE OUTS OR ANYTHING? I BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DIDN'T GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.
UM, FOR TOWN PROPERTIES, IS THERE ANY SPECIAL PROVISIONING FOR TOWN PROPERTY? UM, ANYTHING? YEAH, LIKE ARE THERE TOWN GETS TO DO THIS, NOBODY ELSE GETS TO DO IT.
OR ANY SPECIAL PROVISION FOR A TOWN.
THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS, UH, RELATED TO SIGNS AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROVISIONS, UM, UH, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO PARKS.
OH YEAH, THERE'S SOME DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS EXCEPTIONS AS WELL.
THE FENCE ONE I'M THINKING OF.
WE CAN, WE CAN, UM, IDENTIFY A SUMMARY.
WE CAN, WE CAN IDENTIFY A LIST.
YEAH, I JUST, I JUST A PET THING.
I LIKE EVERYBODY TO PLAY BY THE SAME RULES.
SO, UM, BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN, UM, WHICH UNDERSTAND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO READ, BUT ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT, UM, COREY CREATED THIS TO TRY TO HELP VISUALIZE, LIKE FOR LIKE ZONING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE LEFT IS OUR CURRENT ZONING MAP.
ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED, AND EVERYTHING IN PINK IS A PD.
SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN THE, UH, LIKE WAR VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY OR VITRUVIAN IS AND THE MAGENTA COLOR THAT IS STAYING.
SO NO NON-CONFORMITY WILL BE CREATED BECAUSE THOSE ARE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY'LL REMAIN.
AND THEN, SO IN SIMILAR, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, UM, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ALAN, IT IS NOT IDENTIFIED ON THERE BECAUSE THIS WAS CREATED FROM OUR CURRENT ZONING MAP, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE THE FINANCE BUILDING ZONING ON THERE.
YEAH, IT'S NOT IN THE OLD MAP.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT PROPERLY REFLECTED IN THE MAP.
WE WILL GET THAT UPDATED AND CAN THEN WE, AND CAN WE CONFIRM THAT IT'LL BE OUR, IT'LL BE EXTENSION OF R ONE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, THAT IS THE ZONING.
SO THAT'S THE, FROM THE HISTORY I DID.
SO WE, YES, IT WILL BE R ONE, UM, R ONE AND IN THE MAP, I'M HAPPY.
AND SO, UH, JUST TO REITERATE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE ADDISON CIRCLE IS URBAN CENTER.
THIS IS BECOMING ONE OF THE MIXED USE DISTRICTS, CONSISTENT WITH THAT AND SO FORTH, UM, SIMILAR TO OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, THE LIGHT YELLOW IS LIKE THE R ONE AND AND SO FORTH.
SO JUST SHOWING THAT THE LAND USE CATEGORY REGARDING RESIDENTIAL, NOT A NON-RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL IS NOT CHANGING DRASTICALLY.
WHERE WHERE IS THE MAP IN THE DOCUMENT? WASN'T, THIS IS NOT, THIS WAS, WE CREATED THIS TODAY IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED.
IT, IT WILL BE, IT'LL BE IN THE FINAL, FINAL DOCUMENT.
UM, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED PROCESS TOO MUCH, BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS WE CAN ULTIMATELY ADOPT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE ZONING CHANGE.
SO WE COULD DO THEM AS A ONE STEP PROCESS, WHICH THAT WOULD INCLUDE ADOPTION OF THE CODE AND A REZONING OF ALL PROPERTIES INTO THE NEW DISTRICT.
SO THERE'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT ACTIONS.
WE COULD ALSO BREAK THAT OUT AND DO IT INTO A TWO STEP PROCESS.
IS THERE ANOTHER, UM, IF YOU CLOSE IT OUT, I CAN ADD SLIDE AND, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
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QUICK QUESTION ON THAT, UH, ZONING MAP.CAN YOU PULL THAT UP AGAIN REAL QUICK? OF COURSE.
UM, THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALONG WYNWOOD MM-HMM
ON THE WEST SIDE, IS THAT A PD? CURRENTLY? IT IS, YES.
AND THEN IT'S GONNA GO, SO IT WILL STAY THE PD MM-HMM
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS R ONE.
WELL, SO THE R ONE AND R 16 WILL BECOME R ONE.
SO THERE'S THE ONE OR TWO STEP PROCESS.
IN ANY EVENT, THE DOCUMENT WILL KIND OF STAND ALONE AND THE REZONING WILL CREATE A NEW MAP.
SO TYPICALLY THE MAP DOESN'T LIVE WITHIN THE, THE CODE BECAUSE THE MAP CHANGES PERIODICALLY AS, AS YOU ALL CONSIDER ZONING CASES.
UM, BUT YES, THERE WILL BE A FINAL MAP ADOPTION PROCESS.
AND WILL THAT MAP BE READILY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONLINE SOMEWHERE? YES.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL HAVE TO NOTICE, UM, THERE, THERE WILL, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING AT THIS TIME THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO EVERY PROPERTY THAT IS GETTING REZONED, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY IN ADDISON.
UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE LEGAL NOTICE LIKE WE WOULD FOR ANY OTHER ZONING CASE.
UM, THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND SO FORTH.
BUT WILL THE MAP ALWAYS BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN IT, AS IT, AS IT AS IT EVOLVES, A NEW MAP WILL GO UP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IT CURRENTLY IS, TODAY WE HAVE AN ONLINE INTERACTIVE ZONING MAP.
SO YOU CAN SEARCH JUST LIKE, AND YOU WOULD IN GOOGLE, YOU CAN SEARCH BY ADDRESS, YOU CAN CLICK ON IT, YOU CAN FIND ORDINANCES, YOU CAN LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.
UM, LIKE IT HAS ALL THE, THE DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT INFORMATION LINKED ON IT AS WELL.
UM, AND I HONESTLY, I LIED A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I WAS ON THE, UM, NICE TO MEET YOU BY THE WAY, UM, TO MEET YOU TOO.
UM, I WAS ON, I'M STILL ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, UH, GROUP.
AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAYS I GOT FROM THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF LAND USE, FISCAL ANALYSIS AND SMART LAND USE, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING, UM, MULTIMODAL, UH, TRANSIT, UH, VIKING, ET CETERA.
AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU KNOW, I I DUG INTO THIS PARKING MINIMUM THING A LITTLE BIT.
AND, UH, I'LL THROW OUT A COUPLE FUN FACTS AND THEN I'LL KIND OF COME BACK TO OPINIONS AND THEN I HAVE SOME MORE IN DEPTH FUN FACTS.
UM, MY BUDDY, UH, WHO'S ON THE, UH, BZA DID A KIND OF A ROUGH ESTIMATES IN OPEN STREET MAP OF THE IMPERVIOUS PARKING IN THE TOWN.
IT, ACCORDING TO HIS ANALYSIS, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE CHECKED, IT TAKES UP ABOUT A FIFTH OF THE TOTAL LAND AREA OF PARKING LOTS.
UM, AND IN GOING INTO THE LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS PERSPECTIVE, UH, IN THE THIRD MEETING THERE WAS A TOTAL KIND OF URBAN THREE STYLE BREAKDOWN OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE PARCELS IN THE TOWN.
AND THE MOST UNPRODUCTIVE PARCELS ARE THE ONES WHERE PARKING ARE THE CAR IS KING.
UM, THOSE BEING BIG BOX RETAIL.
AND HONESTLY, MOST OF THE STRIP CENTERS ACROSS BELTLINE, LARGE LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND THEN THE LOW DENSITY OFFICE PARKS, YOU SEE KIND OF PEPPERED ALL OF THESE FOR ALL OF THESE JUST AREAS HAD LARGE AMOUNTS OF THE PARCELS IN THE NEGATIVE AS FAR AS PRODUCTIVITY FROM A PROPERTY TAX PERSPECTIVE, UH, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING NEW STREETS AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS AS AS PLANNED.
UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT PARKING MINIMUMS AS THEY STAY AND AS THEY EXIST, ENCOURAGE INEFFICIENT LAND DEVELOPMENT, UM, ACROSS LARGE AREAS OF TOWN.
AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON KIND OF HOW YOU GUYS CAME TO THE CONCLUSION, UM, AND WHY THEY NEED TO EXIST? I'LL SAY MINE, AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, YEAH,
SO THIS IS A, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG CONVERSATION EVERYWHERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT, LIKE A LOT OF THINGS IS A LOT ABOUT BALANCE AND TRYING TO FIND THE BEST, UM, BALANCE BETWEEN MAKING SURE, UM, THAT THERE IS PARKING VERSUS KIND OF LETTING THE, THE DEVELOPER LETTING THE MARKET RULE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, WE'VE SEEN IT GONE, LIKE, I'LL SPEAK TO OTHER PLACES.
WE'VE SEEN, UM, PLACES KEEP MINIMUM PARKING, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, LOWERING IT.
AND, UM, WE HAVE TRIED GENERALLY TO MATCH ADDISON TO, UM, PEER COMMUNITIES.
WE DID, UM, BACK WHEN WE WERE FIRST DRAFTING THESE, WE DID KIND OF A BIG EXERCISE OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THE NEARBY COMMUNITIES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THOSE GENERALLY CAME FROM.
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LOWER, UM, SOME OF THE CURRENT ONES THAT WERE PRETTY HIGH.UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HEARD ACROSS EITHER THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR, UM, YOU ALL OR, UM, COUNCIL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FULLY ELIMINATING THEM.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS LIKE A FULL CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD.
UM, I, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF ESTABLISHING THE MAXIMUM WAS ALSO TRYING TO SORT OF BALANCE IT, BUT STILL TRY AND CURB OVER LIKE EXCESSIVE PARKING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WOULD SAY TO IT.
AND LESLIE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD NOW IN PERSPECTIVE.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE TRY AS MUCH AS FEASIBLE TO LET THE MARKET DRIVE THE, THE PARKING DEMAND, WHICH I THINK IS REFLECTED IN SOME OF THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'LL SEE STAFF MAKE RELATED TO, UM, PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE A PARKING DEFICIT.
UM, BASED UPON OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, UM, IT WAS, UM, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING IN A DIRECTION WHERE OUR PARKING STANDARDS ARE LESS STRICT.
HOWEVER, AT THIS STAGE, WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS, UM, IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE PARKING ENTIRELY PARKING STANDARD REQUIREMENTS ENTIRELY, UM, WE PROBABLY NEED A MORE ROBUST MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, MORE ROBUST PUBLIC TRANSIT OR OTHER CIRCULATOR OR OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION IN GENERAL MM-HMM
UM, SO THAT OUR VISITORS, OUR CITIZENS ARE LE ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS RELIANT ON THE CAR, ON THE VEHICLE.
SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S OUR ROLE NOT TO DETERMINE OR DETERMINE WHAT A BUSINESS NEEDS TO OPERATE.
IT IS OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE PROPERTY, ON ADJACENT PROPERTY, UM, POTENTIALLY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE USERS.
SO THAT'S REALLY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
UM, I COULD SEE WITH A MORE ROBUST MULTIMODAL NETWORK CONNECTIVITY, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THAT WE COULD MOVE FURTHER AWAY FROM OR FURTHER TOWARDS NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, I'LL ALSO ADD THAT WE DID TRY TO IMPLEMENT MANY DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THE UDC THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE TO, UM, START HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO THAT'S ALLOWING SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS, THAT'S ALSO ALLOWING OFFSITE PARKING, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THOSE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS.
UM, AND GENERALLY MAKING OUR PARKING RATIOS LESS RESTRICTIVE AS WELL.
AND, AND, AND I GOT A COUPLE POINTS RELATED TO THE TRANSIT WHILE IT'S HOT, AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING.
I DID SOME THINKING ABOUT THIS.
AND I'M A GUY WHO RIDES TRANSIT ALL OVER ADDISON, ALL OVER THE METRO.
UM, I AGREE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE ON MULTIMODAL CONNECTIONS.
UM, HOWEVER, EVEN IN A WORLD WHERE THE 2 29 OUT OF ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER CAN TAKE ME TO KROGER EVERY 10 MINUTES, EVERY FIVE MINUTES, THE BUS LEAVES, I GET THERE, IT GOES DOWN ADDISON ROAD AND BELTLINE, A PERFECTLY REASONABLE ROUTE, DROPS ME OFF ACROSS THE STREET.
I NOW HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE SIX TO EIGHT LANES OF BELT LINE AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN OF A PARKING LOT THAT IS ALWAYS EMPTY.
IMPROVING THE MULTIMODAL CONNECTIVITY WILL NEVER MAKE THAT PARKING LOT NOT EXIST.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME.
AND TRANSIT'S VALUE PROPOSITION AND INTEREST WILL NEVER BE FULLY REALIZED BECAUSE IRONICALLY, OUR PARKING MINIMUMS, WERE WAITING TO REPEAL BE UNTIL AFTER THE TRANSIT'S GOOD.
WE'LL NEVER LET THE TRANSIT BE AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT THEM GONE EVERYWHERE.
I'M PROPOSING THAT NOW AS AN OPTION TO CONSIDER, BUT AT LEAST IN MIXED USE DISTRICTS.
UM, UM, ANOTHER POINT FOR TRANSIT, AND I'LL SHUT UP THE, THE 0.25, UH, PARKING, UH, MILE RADIAL DISTANCE FROM THE TRANSIT CENTER THAT CAN CUT YOUR PARKING MINIMUMS BY 25%, WHATEVER IT IS MY APARTMENT BUILDING IS, I CAN, I CAN SEE THE TRANSIT CENTER.
I I CAN SEE THE LIGHTS FROM HERE.
UH, MY APARTMENT BUILDING IS 0.3 MILES.
AND SO NOW THAT DEVELOPMENT IS, NOW I WALK TO IT LIKE MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK.
AND NOW MY PARKING, I HAVE TO BE SADDLED WITH MORE PARKING BECAUSE I'M JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT BOUNDARY.
I WONDER IF MAYBE LESS OF A RADIO, MORE OF A CONTEXT SENSITIVE, HEY, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS AS IN CIRCLE, IT'S ANCHORED BY A TC.
LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST GET RID OF THE PARKING
BUT ANYWAYS, I'LL, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I I, I'M GOING TO SHARE THE SAME THOUGHT EARLIER, WHICH IS I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN DECIDE WHAT IS IN THEIR INTEREST.
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I'M RUNNING A DRIVE-IN MOVIE THEATER, I PROBABLY NEED A BIG PARKING LOT.AND IF I'M RIDING A BICYCLE SHOP, MAYBE I DON'T, MAYBE THE MOST OF MY CUSTOMERS ARE ON BIKES.
SO I THINK HAVING THE PARKING STANDARDS TO A MINIMUM, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE WANT SUDDEN CHANGE.
I DON'T THINK WE COULD GO TO NO PARKING STANDARDS AT ALL, GIVEN THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
I WOULD PREFER A MORE INCREMENTAL APPROACH.
UH, BUT I'D BE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF ALLOWING THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND BUSINESS OPERATOR TO DETERMINE WHAT THEIR NEED IS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.
WELL, THE, THE WHAT'S IN THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, UH, UDC IS, UH, MAXIMUM PARKING AND I'M, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING THROUGH ADDISON.
WE'RE NOT READY FOR ZERO, UM, REQUIREMENTS YET.
YOU GO TO ADDISON CIRCLE AND YOU SEE WHAT THE END RESULT WAS.
YOU CAN'T KEEP A RETAIL GUY ALIVE THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING.
UM, THE, AND IF WE ALLOW IT, IF WE CHANGED IT AUTOMATICALLY DOWN TO NOTHING, WHO'S TO SAY THAT, WELL, I'M NEXT TO ANOTHER GUY, HE, UH, HAS A LOT OF PARKING.
RIGHT? AND SO NOW YOU'RE BURDENING SOMEONE ELSE.
SO THAT WAY A MEASURED APPROACH AS YOU BRING IT IN WITH THE MAXIMUM, UH, PARKING, I THINK IS A, IS A LOGICAL, UH, WAY TO GO.
SO ANOTHER POINT I WANNA MAKE, I THINK I AGREE.
I'VE ONLY LIVED HERE IN ADDISON CIRCLE SPECIFICALLY DURING COVID.
SO I IMAGINE THAT AMONGST OTHER THINGS HAS AFFECTED RETAIL VIABILITY.
UM, BUT ONCE THAT TOD IS DONE, YOU KNOW, I'M ESTIMATING WE'LL HAVE, WHAT, TWO, THREE TO FIVE TO 6,000 PEOPLE IN WALKING DISTANCE OF MULTIPLE MIXED USE AREAS.
MAYBE THAT'S CRITICAL MASS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN WALK TO A BUSINESS TO KEEP IT ALIVE.
UM, I KNOW OUR RESTAURANTS HERE DO LARGELY PRETTY WELL.
UM, THEY'RE ALL VERY HIGH QUALITY HERE IN ADDISON CIRCLE.
UM, I JUST, IN PARKING, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S NO PARKING.
I JUST THINK MAYBE THE DIRECTIONS AND THE SIGNS, IT'S ALL HIDDEN IN THE GARAGES, WHICH WAS BY DESIGN.
BUT MY MOM ALWAYS COMPLAINS, PARKING IS SO DIFFICULT HERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AN EMPTY LOT RIGHT NEXT TO MY BUILDING.
BUT HEY, NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT INCREASING AWARENESS OF AVAILABLE PARKING IN ADDISON CIRCLE, BUT I DON'T THINK LACK OF PARKING IS KILLING US.
I, I SPOKE TO THE DEVELOPERS, UM, A FEW YEARS BACK WHO DID ADDISON CIRCLE, AND THEN THEY WENT ON TO DO THE SHOPS AT LEGACY.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID? THEY PUT IN A LOT OF SURFACE STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY LEARNED VERY QUICKLY THAT THEY COULD NOT SUPPORT PEOPLE WILL NOT, PEOPLE WILL JUST NOT WALK FROM THAT.
IT'S JUST THE SAME AS THE REALITY OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IN EVERY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES IS SUBSIDIZED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH RIDERSHIP.
I KNOW IT'S CHICKEN AND EGG, BUT IT'S JUST, I MEAN, VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY HAS THE SAME PROBLEM.
'CAUSE IT'S IN A PARKING GARAGE, YOU GOTTA WALK.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE PEOPLE'S LOGIC.
I MEAN, BUT ADDISON, ADDISON, TRANSIT CENTER'S, UH, RIDERSHIP IS THE SECOND HIGHEST, UH, TRANSFER CENTER IN THE ENTIRE DART SYSTEM, UM, OUTSIDE OF WEST, LITERALLY WEST END AND DOWNTOWN.
WE DO AND, AND, AND, AND RIDERSHIP COMPARED TO ADDISON SIZE AND, AND, AND, AND, AND DART SYSTEM IS QUITE HIGH.
SO I I'M JUST GONNA THROW IT OUT THERE.
UM, I THINK IT'S WORTH MORE CONSIDERATION.
NO ONE MORE THOUGHT RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT IF WE MAKE THEM THAT AND JUST SAY, HEY, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD ENOUGH SHORT ANSWER TO WHY YOU DON'T NEED IT, AND WE EVALUATE IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA, AND P AND Z LIKES IT.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT LESSEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE LOAD OR PAPERWORK REQUIRED IF WE CHANGE 'EM TO RECOMMENDATIONS BUT KEEP ALL THE MATERIAL? CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REGARD? ARE YOU SAYING LIKE, IF YOU, THEY'RE NOT MINIMUMS, THESE ARE, HEY, UM, WE RECOMMEND THESE TO YOU AS A DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP THEM IN THE UDC, WE CALL THEM RECOMMENDATIONS.
IF THEY DON'T WANNA FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY TELL US WHY WE DECIDE IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED THROUGH THE UDC INITIALLY, WHICH THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT ASSESSMENT THAT, UM, CION DID, WAS THAT ADDISON'S PROCESSES WERE A BIT OUTDATED AND A BIT CLUNKY AND SOMETIMES CREATED A BIG TIME CONSTRAINT FOR DEVELOPERS.
AND SO THAT'S MY IMMEDIATE THOUGHT IS IF WE'RE MAKING ANY MODIFICATION COME BEFORE COUNCIL,
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OR EXCUSE ME, COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING, IT COULD CREATE, UM, I GUESS A CUMBERSOME PROCESS POTENTIALLY.I ALSO THINK IF YOU MAKE IT THAT FLEXIBLE, I'LL USE THE WORD, YOU RUN THE RISK OF PEOPLE THINKING YOU FAVORED SOME GROUP BY ALLOWING IT, AND YOU UN YOU, YOU DISCRIMINATED AGAINST THIS GROUP FOR NOT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF SOMETIMES WHY STANDARDS ARE PUT IN THERE IS SIMPLY TO KEEP EVERYTHING FAIR AND KIND OF EVERYBODY IN THE SAME LANE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT ALSO MAKES IT HARD TO ENFORCE IT FOR USES THAT MIGHT NOT BE FAVORABLE.
SO IF IT'S FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LIKE, EH, DON'T REALLY LIKE THIS, BUT IT'S ALLOWED BY BY.
UM, IF WE HAVE IT TO WHERE THE MINIMUMS ARE, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBLE, THEN IT MAKES IT HARDER TO ENFORCE IT FOR THAT, FOR A SPECIFIC USE THAT MAYBE WE DON'T NECESSARILY REALLY LIKE MM-HMM
UM, WE HAVE TO BE FAIR FOR EVERYBODY, JUST LIKE DENISE WAS MENTIONING OF BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO BRINGING IT TO YOU GUYS FOR EVERYTHING WOULD BE A LOT AS WELL.
I COULD SEE FROM A PUBLIC HEARING PERSPECTIVE, UM, YEAH, OKAY, LOOK, THIS IS A BIG ONE AND MAYBE IT WON'T HAPPEN TOMORROW.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.
MIXED USE DISTRICTS DRAMATICALLY LOWERING OR GETTING COMPLETELY RID OF THEM.
IT, IT JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IF WE WANT THE FULL POTENTIAL OF A MIXED USE DISTRICT TO HAVE PARKING MINIMUMS, IN MY OPINION, AND I REST MY CASE
I, I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT, THIS IS A GENERATIONAL THING, RIGHT? I THINK IT IS.
BECAUSE GLAD YOU SAID WELL, NO, BECAUSE I'M, I'M THAT GENERATION THAT'S LIKE, I WANT TO DRIVE AND PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'VE GONE, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, I WAS ONE, I WAS IN FAVOR OF LET THE, LET THE DEVELOPER FIGURE OUT HOW MANY SPOTS HE NEEDS AND IT'S, IT'S HIS MONEY, HE'S SPENDING IT, LET HIM DO IT, BUT BABY STEPS, RIGHT? AND MAYBE IT'S LIKE THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE.
NOW, MAYBE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE EVERY TWO YEARS WE KIND OF DO A RELOOK AT OUR PARKING COUNTS BECAUSE STUFF'S GONNA HAPPEN.
IF SOMEBODY COMES AND SAYS, I GOT A, I GOT A DEVELOPMENT HERE AND I'M GONNA PROVIDE, WHAT ARE THOSE, THOSE DRIVERLESS CARS? WHAT ARE THEY? YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'M GONNA PROVIDE FIVE OF THOSE THAT PEOPLE IN MY, IN THAT CODE OF MY ESTABLISHMENT GET TO USE.
WELL MAYBE REDUCE THEIR PARKING BY 30 SPOTS OR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY'RE LOAD.
SO I THINK OVER TIME IT'S GONNA COME, BUT RIGHT NOW, WHILE WE'RE STILL AROUND THIS GEN, THE BABY BOOMERS ARE, SOME OF 'EM ARE STILL AROUND AND IT, IT IS GONNA CHANGE OVER TIME.
SO I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT.
YOU, YOU'VE MADE SOME GOOD POINTS.
BUT I, I ORIGINALLY MOVED TO ADDISON AND MOVED TO THE CIRCLE IN 2008 AND THE RETAIL THERE STRUGGLED MM-HMM
AND IT HAD ONLY BEEN BUILT IN 2004 OR FIVE AT THE TIME, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN AROUND VERY LONG.
BUT THAT, THAT, THAT MODEL, IF YOU GO AROUND DALLAS AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE MODEL OF THE RETAIL THAT SITS BELOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND APARTMENTS ARE ABOVE, THEY'RE FAILING EVERYWHERE.
I MEAN, RIDE YOUR BIKE OVER TO ALPHA AND GO UP AND DOWN ALPHA CLOSE TO THE GALLERIA.
ALL OF THOSE PLACES ARE FOR, THEY'RE FOR LEASE OR FOR SALE BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE APARTMENTS AREN'T SUPPORTING WHO WALK TO THOSE, THOSE BUSINESSES AND THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PARKING AROUND THEM.
I MEAN, JUST CHECK IT OUT ON YOUR OWN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT SOMETIME, BUT, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A WORKING MODEL.
WE, WE TELL MIXED USE IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT IN A LOT OF CITIES ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY HAVE TRIED TO FORCE IT BECAUSE IT'S THE COOL AND WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS AND IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK EVERYWHERE.
WE, WE BUILT A DEAL IN, UM, LOS CLEANEST, AND IT WAS ON THE FIRST, THE FIRST DEAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE OVER BY THE BOAT STORAGE FACILITY.
AND THERE WAS NO WAY MAKES YOU LIKE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL WAS GONNA WORK THERE.
SO THAT CITY DID SMARTLY HAD US DESIGN IT WHERE EXTERIORLY IT CAN CON CONVERTED TO RETAIL IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHEN AS POPULATION THE BUILDINGS HAVE BUILT AND BUILT AND BUILT, THEN YOU CAN TURN IT INTO RETAIL.
IT'S 15 OR 20 YEARS LATER, IT IS STILL NOT GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.
SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AROUND IT HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.
JIMMY'S POINT, NOT ALL OF IT'S GREAT.
YOU GUYS ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT AREAS THAT ADDISON CIRCLE COMPETES VERY HEAVILY.
LOOK AT ALL THE COMMERCIAL ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S FIVE AND 10 MILES AWAY FROM ANY GOOD RETAIL.
IT, IT, IT, IT COMPETES WITH ALL OF THAT.
LIKE IF I'M GETTING OFF THE TOLL ROAD AND I'M GONNA HIT A NAIL SALON OR A DRY CLEANER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TOLL ROAD, I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE ONE IN CIRCLE OVER IN THE CIRCLE AND STUFF AROUND THE GALLERIA YOU MENTIONED SAME
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THING.I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST A BIGGER PICTURE OF IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT ADDISON CIRCLE WAS DONE POORLY.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW ROBERT SHAW THAT DID IT AND HE DID LEGACY AND I BOUGHT HIS DEAL AT LEGACY.
AND YOU, YOU GO TO THE EAST SIDE OF LEGACY, NOW THE RETAIL'S SUFFERING OVER THERE HARDER BECAUSE THEY BUILT NICER AND NEWER ON THE LEFT SIDE, ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO IT'S JUST, JUST LIFE CHANGES AND, AND THINGS CHANGE.
YOU JUST NEED DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS THAT ARE FLEXIBLE FOR MM-HMM
WHAT HOPEFULLY WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT US TO WAIT 40 YEARS TO REVISIT THIS.
UM, IF I'M STILL HERE, I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS
UM, SO LET'S GET BELTLINE DOWN TO TWO LANES OR SOMETHING AND THEN I'M ALL ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, SO I, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME POINTS.
YEAH, YOU GOTTA DO IT SMARTLY.
I THINK ADDISON CIRCLE MOSTLY DOES IT SMARTLY.
UM, IN DALLAS, THE, SOME OF THE PLACES I LIKE TO VISIT MOST AND THAT SEEM TO BE UH, MOST ECONOMICALLY VIABLE ARE THE PLACES WHERE IT'S HARDEST TO PARK.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT BISHOP ARTS, YOU'VE GOT LOWER GREENVILLE, UM, AND EVEN IN LOWER GREENVILLE THERE'S A VIDEO BY DALLAS URBANISTS ON YOUTUBE.
THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH PARKING, UH, RIGHT NOW.
AND BUT MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE GROUND FLOOR OR RETAIL ABOVE A BUNCH FIVE OVER ONES, BUT THEY'VE GOT APARTMENTS RIGHT UP.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE CHANGES THEY MADE ON LOWER GREENVILLE WAS TO DO NO PARKING IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS CAME AND COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.
THE REALITY IS THEY, IT, IT WAS A CATCH 22 BECAUSE THEN IT AFFECTS ALL THE RETAIL.
'CAUSE THOSE WERE OLD BUILDINGS THAT WEREN'T BUILT WITH PARKING STRUCTURES OR PARKING LOTS.
SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A CATCH 22 AND THAT WHOLE AREA SHOULD BE REALLY GRATEFUL THAT UBER EXISTS BECAUSE IF THAT DIDN'T, IT WAS EXPONENTIALLY WORSE.
BUT VISION ARTS DOES PRETTY GOOD WITH A STREETCAR.
UM, AND SO I, I THINK THERE, THERE ARE WAYS IT CAN WORK AND WAYS WE SHOULD, UH, KEEP, KEEP PRESSING AND LOOKING AT, OKAY, NOW I'M REALLY DONE.
UM, I THINK THAT FOR ON OUR SIDE, UM, I GUESS GENERALLY OUR THOUGHTS ARE WE'RE THE SILVER LINE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE ACTIVE, UM, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF.
SPRING OF 24 IS THE LAST I HEARD.
AND UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF THE TODI THINK WE'LL SEE POTENTIALLY THAT CRITICAL MASS OR UM, KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND, AND REEVALUATE WHEN THE NEED ARISES.
SO, SO DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THIS IS JUST A, FIRST OF ALL, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH.
THIS IS JUST A SPECIAL WORK SESSION SO WE DON'T, IT'S NO ACTION.
HOWEVER, WE ADDRESSED ALL OF JIMMY'S COMMENTS RIGHT.
IT WAS REALLY THE, YOURS WAS THE COVERAGE WAS HIS ONE BIG ONE.
THE ZONING MAP, WE KNOW THOSE WEREN'T IN THERE AND THE SIGNED PERMIT APPROVAL, DID YOU GUYS ADDRESS THAT? THAT'S JUST HIS OPINION, BUT I THINK WE KIND OF HAVE RELIVE THAT ONE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THAT MOST WERE OKAY WITH STAFF APPROVING THAT VERSUS COUNSEL AND THAT WAS IT, RIGHT.
YEAH, HE HAD, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM HE HAD WAS ABOUT NOTICING, WHICH WE ARE, WE'RE THE ONLY OTHER ITEM QUESTION HE HAD WAS REGARDING NOTICING AND WE WILL FOLLOW STATE LAW.
SO OH,
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SORT OF LIKE, THEY'RE NOT, IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF THEY'RE REQUIRED OR IT'S LIKE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO STATE LAW SAYS IT IS DEFINITELY REQUIRED.
TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
LIKE, LIKE, 'CAUSE IT WAS SORT OF WISHY-WASHY, LIKE YOU CAN RECOMMEND IT, BUT I, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE IT WAS LIKE SORT OF, OKAY, WHEN THERE'S THIS MANY PROPERTIES INVOLVED OR WHATEVER POLICY, SOME POLICY THAT SAYS YOU GOT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
AND WHAT WE ALWAYS RUN, WHAT THEY ALWAYS RUN INTO, I, WE RUN INTO ALL THE TIME IS PEOPLE WILL SAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY, THEY GET IT A HUNDRED DIFFERENT WAYS AND NEWSLETTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND EMAILS.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS THING WAS REZONING.
BUT, AND IT'S, BUT I THINK IF IT HAS A, AND IT'S REALLY THE RESIDE, IT'S REALLY THE ADJACENCY TO RESIDENTIAL IS ALWAYS THE ISSUE.
AND I'M LIKE, CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE SOME DEFINITIVE THING THAT SAYS IF YOU'RE REZONING AND IT'S AFFECTS LIKE X NUMBER OF PROPERTIES OR SQUARE FOOTAGE OR OF RE YOU KNOW, ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU HAVE TO DO LIKE THE DEVELOPER HAS TO DO A, LIKE A COMMUNITY MEETING.
'CAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE HELPFUL 'CAUSE AL ALMOST EVERY TIME THERE'S GUYS THAT DO A GOOD JOB OF IT AND IF THEY HAVE A GOOD PLAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT BE VOTING IN FAVOR
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OF.TYPICALLY WHEN THEY TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, THEY GO, YEAH, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT MEETING, EVERYBODY ALWAYS ASSUMES THAT IT'S THE BIG DEVELOPER COMING IN AND TAKING OVER TOWN AND DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD BETWEEN RECOMMENDED AND REQUIRED? SO THERE'S, SO IN HOW, AS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED TODAY, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED.
HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE PNZ OR COUNSEL FROM TABLING AN ITEM OR REQUESTING CONTINUATION OF AN ITEM UNTIL A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS IS HELD.
SO THERE'S STILL A CHECK AND VAL CHECKS, THERE IS STILL CHECKS AND BALANCES.
UM, IF THIS BODY OR THE COUNCIL DOES NOT FEEL LIKE, UM, THE DIRECTOR AND OR STAFF DID NOT MAKE AN APPROPRIATE DECISION, I'LL SAY THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCE.
BUT, UM, SO THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A THRESHOLD.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PDS THAT EXIST TODAY.
SO IT'S VERY HARD TO CARVE OUT, YOU KNOW, ONLY PROJECTS THAT HAVE MULTIFAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE, REQUIRE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
WELL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO POTENTIALLY CATCH ALL PROJECTS THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SHOULD, SHOULD BE WARRANTED.
UM, AND VICE VERSA, IF THERE IS A, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY THAT, UM, THE AMLI TREE HOUSE COMES IN FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO, I DON'T KNOW, CHANGE SOME TREE SPACING, DO THEY NEED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING? PROBABLY NOT.
THERE'S A LEVEL OF DISCRETION.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT HOW WE'VE STRUCTURED THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I FEEL LIKE OUR CURRENT STAFF AS WELL AS CITY LEADERSHIP HAVE A VERY GOOD GRASP ON WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS FROM RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BEING NOTICED.
UM, AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW YOUR RESPONSE SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT REQUIRING A CERTAIN NOTICE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AT 200 FEET.
UM, WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND UM, THE STAFF AS WELL AS CLARION AND THE LEGAL TEAM DID NOT RECOMMEND DOING THAT.
'CAUSE WE COULD BE CHALLENGED BY REQUIRING ADDITIONAL NOTICE BEYOND STATE LAW.
SO THAT, THAT'S OUR THOUGHT PROCESS.
BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.
FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, UH, I'M, FROM OUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE CHURCH AND ALL OF THAT ON A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS GOING FORWARD, WOULD CITY STAFF ATTEND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING? SO IT IS, UM, IT IS ALWAYS RECOMMENDED THAT STAFF ATTEND.
IT IS HARD TO REQUIRE STAFF TO ATTEND.
I WOULD SAY 90% OF THE TIME WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE IT.
UM, IT'S JUST CHALLENGING REGARDING, UM, ATTENDANCE.
I WILL SAY, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT ARE GONNA BE ADDED TO OUR ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL FOR WHAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND LIKE HOW, WHAT ESSENTIALLY CONSTITUTES A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
SO THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS A SIGN-IN SHEET AND, AND THEY HAVE TO GET THE NOTICE APPROVED BY STAFF AND WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHO THEY'RE SENDING IT TO AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN PREPARATION AND TO CONDUCT THE MEETING.
THE, THE ISSUE I'M RAISING IS THAT THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING HELD, I MEAN MY HOUSE IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE STREET FROM IT.
IT WAS A SELECT GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS MET, QUOTE UNQUOTE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
AND I DON'T, THAT'S FINE IF THEY WANNA MEET, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A SITUATION WHERE IT'S QUOTE UNQUOTE A SANCTIONED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
THEY CAN MEET GROUPS, CAN MEET ALL DAY LONG, NO ISSUE.
BUT TO GO THROUGH AND THEN COME TO THE PNZ AS A NEIGHBORHOOD SANCTIONED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
I GOTTA BELIEVE CITY STAFF SHOULD BE THERE.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF DOCUMENTATION AND NOTICES GO.
SO THERE WILL BE, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL, THERE'S THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE, UH, TENTATIVELY OUTLINED IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SIGN IN SHEET STAFF HAS TO APPROVE THE NOTICING AREA, LIKE WHAT PROPERTIES YOU'RE NOTICING.
UM, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE ACTUAL NOTICE LETTER THAT GOES OUT.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE, WE HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT JUST IN GENERAL IS REQUIRING STAFF TO ATTEND.
IF FOR SOME REASON THAT STAFF'S IT'S A CON CONFLICTING SCHEDULE OR THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING COULD MEET, WE DEFINITELY WOULD NOT WANT A NEIGHBORHOOD TO NOT MEET WITHOUT US.
THERE'S STILL CONSTRUCT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSTRUCTIVE, UM, CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION AT THAT MEETING.
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LIKE I SAID, IT, IT IS OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY TO ATTEND.IT WOULD ONLY BE IN THE MOST EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE, WE WOULD NOT ANYONE ELSE.
DO I HAVE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT? IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, WE HAVE, WHILE THESE VERY BUSY LADIES HAVE BEEN OVER HERE WORKING ON SOME UPDATES ON THE NON-CONFORMING FOR THE LOCK COVER IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UM, TOM, I BELIEVE YOUR HOUSE IS 56%, SO YOU'RE GOOD.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT MY HOUSE.
I I KNEW MINE WAS, I'M A CORNER LOT SO I GOTCHA.
I'M JUST, I GUARANTEE YOU NEIGHBORS OF MY NOT ONE NEIGHBOR FOR SURE IS NOT GONNA LIE.
SO, UM, ANYWAYS, SO, SO JAYDEN, COREY, WE'RE DOING SOME LOOKING, BUT WE ALSO LOOKED AND THERE IS CURRENTLY A 60% LOCK COVERAGE, UM, REQUIREMENT IN THE MXR DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT YOUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ZONED.
SO IT, THE CURRENT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENT IS 60% AND WE ARE PROPOSING 80.
WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF HIS NEIGHBORHOOD? LIKE, UM, SO ARE WE TALKING JUST LIKE CERTAIN BLOCKS? BECAUSE I THINK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD'S KIND OF CHECK ON THE, THIS MAP IN FRONT OF YOU, IT'S THE AREA THAT'S ZONED MXR.
SO IT IS THE TIRE AREA THAT'S NORTH OF GREENHILL.
THAT IS LIKE ORANGE COLORED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WAS JUST MAKING, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW THEY HAVE LITTLE CUTOUTS THAT THINGS ARE CLEARLY DEVELOPED BY DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS AND THAT'S WHY I'M MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN YOUR, WHICH YOU WERE USING THE WORDING THERE.
THE CHART RIGHT THERE COLLAPSING R ONE 16, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THOSE WOULD BECOME ONE DISTRICT, IT'S ALL R ONE, WHICH LEAST IS THE LESSER RESTRICTED ONE.
I DON'T
IT'S PROBABLY NOT IMPERVIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS.
I KNOW I WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE.
WHAT THEY'S PROBABLY WHAT THEY DID.
THEY SAID, OKAY, BUILDING ONLY COVER 60%.
IT'S NOT AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
IT'S, YEAH, I DON'T, IT SAYS MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE.
THE MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE SHALL BE 60%.
AGAIN, THAT'S, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S WHAT THEY INTERPRETED AS BUILDING.
WELL, BUT TRUCTURE YEAH, IT OH YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE.
I MEAN ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE LITTLE BITTY CUL-DE-SAC SCREWS THAT ARE KIND OF AROUND THE CORNER, YOU, I MEAN LITTLE BITTY YARD DON'T HAVE A BACKYARD, A BACKYARD PEOPLE ALSO COULD PERMIT.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT TIDBIT WE FOUND WHILE WE'RE OVER HERE
THAT MIGHT BE A SCOTT THING, BUT HER SOMETHING, HER MIC, I THOUGHT IT WAS MAYBE MY HEARING, BUT LESLIE'S MIC, THERE'S, YOU MIGHT WANNA TUNE IT UP.
IT'S GOT SOME MUFFLING SOUND TO IT COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
IS IT ECHOY KIND OF SOMETHING OR JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
IT DOESN'T SOUND AS CLEAR AS THE REST OF OURS.
IT'S JUST OH, YOU'RE AN OLD SCHOOL ONE.
I WAS LIKE, GOD, I KNOW I'M GETTING OLD AND I KNOW MY HEARING'S STARTING TO GO, BUT I AM HAVING THE HARDEST TIME TONIGHT.
SO DO I NEED TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, PLEASE.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
UH, IF, IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE? OKAY.
HAVING SEEN NONE, I OFFICIALLY CLOSED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORK SESSION, UH, WEDNESDAY 29TH, 2025 AS CLOSED.