* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Call Meeting to Order and Announce that a Quorum is Present.] [00:00:03] UH, GOOD EVENING. IT IS 5:01 PM ON MAY 28TH. WE'LL CALL THE BOARD OF THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL. WE DO HAVE A FORUM PRESENT WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT IN THE ROOM, AND WE'LL GO STRAIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, CITIZEN COMMENTS ON CONSENT, AGENDA ITEMS, IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY CITIZENS, ANY, ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL REGARDING ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. AND IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON [3. Council Member Clarification Requests Regarding Consent Agenda Items. ] TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARIFICATION, REQUEST REGARDING CONSENT, AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING FROM THE COUNSEL, ANY CLARIFICATION OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE REGARDING CONSENT ITEMS? NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM. VERY GOOD. I I HAVE ONE. YES, MA'AM. THERE WERE A COUPLE, I DON'T HAVE IT PULLED UP RIGHT HERE. THERE WERE A COUPLE IN HERE THAT, UM, I THINK MAYBE IT WAS THE LAST TWO. AND, UM, YEAH, F AND FMG, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT FIGURES, BUT EACH OF THESE SAID NOT TO EXCEED 150. UM, THE SUPPORT THAT WAS WITH THEM WAS, UM, SHORT, THOSE DOLLARS 150. I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, WHAT THE PROCEDURE, WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS. ARE YOU EXPECTING IS THAT DIFFERENCE FOR CONTINGENCY EXPECTED CON CONTINGENCY? WHAT'S OUR POLICY? HOW DO WE NORMALLY HANDLE THAT? I'LL TALK LOUD. , UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. JANET TWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC. UM, AND I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS IS WE HAD TWO ITEMS THAT HAD A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $150,000. UM, IN BOTH OF THOSE ACCOUNTS, WE SHOWED THAT WE HAD OPERATIONS AND MAJOR MAINTENANCE FUNDS FOR LESS THAN WHAT WE WERE ASKING TO BE APPROVED. UM, THE REASON THAT FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO BE APPROVED IS FOR ONE ITEM IS THE INSTALLATION OF OUR CENTRAL CONTROL IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT WE'RE CONVERTING TO. AND WE DEDICATE ABOUT $73,000 A YEAR TOWARDS THOSE SUPPLIES. UM, BUT AS THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT HAPPEN THROUGH THE YEAR, WE ALSO PURCHASE THAT EQUIPMENT AND HAND IT TO THE CONTRACTOR. SO WE DO NOT HAVE MARKUP ON THAT EQUIPMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT DIFFERENCE WOULD COME FROM. AND IT WOULD ONLY BE AWARDED IF WE HAD FUNDS TO AWARD THOSE ITEMS. THE OTHER ONE IS FOR ELLIOT'S ELECTRICAL SUPPLY. UM, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT GETS DAMAGED EVERY YEAR THAT WE WOULD REPAIR OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL OPERATIONS BUDGET BECAUSE WE WOULD BE REIMBURSED THROUGH INSURANCE CLAIMS TO FUND THOSE REPAIRS. UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WALK THROUGH THE PARK RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S FOUR LIGHT FIXTURES LAYING ON THE GROUND. UM, WE EVERY YEAR HAVE CARS THAT HIT LIGHT HOLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THOSE FUNDS WOULD COME FROM. THANK YOU. THAT TOOK CARE OF MY QUESTION. THANK YOU, NANCY. ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. WE'LL [a. Present and discuss the recommendations from Odyssey Associates for the Addison Theatre Centre Business Plan.] MOVE ON TO THE ITEM FOUR WORK SESSION REPORTS AND ITEM FOUR A PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM ODY THE ASSOCIATES FOR THE ADDISON THEATER CENTER BUSINESS PLAN. ABBY MAYOR, COUNCIL ABBY MORALES, DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL EVENTS AND THEATER. UM, WE'RE GOING TALK ABOUT THE ADDISON THEATER CENTER STUDY, UM, THAT TOOK PLACE EARLIER THIS YEAR. UM, THE ARTS ARE IMPORTANT TO ANY THRIVING COMMUNITY AND ARTS THEATER IS CERTAINLY A PLATFORM FOR US TO INCORPORATE THE ARTS INTO THE TOWN. UM, IT CERTAINLY IS AN ASSET THE TOWN WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE. AND SO BACK IN THE FALL, WE SENT OUT AN RFQ, UM, IN SEARCH OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD HELP CREATE A ROADMAP FOR US. UM, FOR THE THEATER AS A WHOLE. WE WERE LOOKING, UM, FOR A ROADMAP THAT WOULD HELP GUIDE AND DEVELOP, UH, GUIDE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH OF THE THEATER. AND WE WANTED AN ORGANIZATION TO FOCUS ON THREE AREAS. WE WANTED TO LOOK AT OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS OF THE THEATER. WE WANTED TO LOOK AT OUR CURRENT USE OF SPACE, UM, IN THE AREA. AND THEN WE CERTAINLY WANTED TO ALIGN WITH INDUSTRY, INDUSTRY STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED ACROSS THE US. AND SO WHO WE FOUND WAS BO ASSOCIATES. UM, THEY ARE A CONSULTING PRACTICE THAT ADVISES ON FUNDRAISING AND STRATEGY FOR THE ARTS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM THAT WORKED ON THE TEAM FOR THE THEATER, BETWEEN THE TWO OF 'EM, THEY HAVE OVER 45 YEARS OF [00:05:01] EXPERIENCE. UM, BOTH AS EXECUTIVE CONSULTANTS AND TRUSTEES. THEY HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN CREATING THIS ROADMAP FOR US. AND SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO BOTH JOSHUA AND WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US. I'LL GET US STARTED JUST VERY QUICKLY BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO ED, TALKING TODAY. I'LL LET YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT OUR PROCESS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY ATTRACTED US TO YOUR PROJECT IS THE INCREDIBLE HISTORY THAT THE ADDISON THEATER CENTER HAS. UH, THE THEATER HAS INCREDIBLE, IS VERY DISTINCT, ARCHITE, ARCHITECTURALLY, AND THE PROGRAMMING, UH, IS, IS REALLY, UH, IS REALLY INTERESTING. AND WATER TOWER IS THE PRIMARY, UH, IS THE PRIMARY RESIDENT COMPANY, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW THERE ARE OTHER USERS OF THE SPACE. UH, HERE WE'VE GOT PICTURE OUTCRY, NBS PRODUCTIONS, UH, WE'VE GOT CLASSIC, UH, CLASSIC THEATER, PROJECT, ACCOLADE, BALLET, UH, AND SO ON. AND SO IT'S REALLY, UM, GOT THIS AMAZING HISTORY AND WE'RE REALLY DELIGHTED TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND WORK WITH YOU ON THIS PROJECT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS WILL. UM, JUST THAT, THAT'S JUST OUR QUICK INTRODUCTION AND MAYBE YOU. SURE. OKAY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO OPEN BY SPEAKING BRIEFLY ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE USE TO COME UP WITH THE BUSINESS PLAN. SO ODYSSEY APPROACH THE SCOPE OF WORK WITH FOCUS ON RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS AS WELL AS STAKEHOLDER BUY IN. SO WE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO OF HAVE A LARGE RANGE OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS AND WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE BUY-IN FROM HER. AND THIS, IT INCLUDES, UM, BOTH STAFF USERS OF THE SPACE, THE COUNCIL ITSELF, AND SO ON. UM, IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL PROCESS, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY HEAVY LIFTING HAPPENED, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR LITTLE ORANGE BRICK ROAD HERE, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE WENT THROUGH A BACKGROUND PROCESS, A TOUR, A KICKOFF AND PROGRAMMATIC ANALYSIS, WHICH ALLOWED US TO, UM, EXAMINE YOUR FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS, YOUR TICKET SALES, EARN REVENUE BREAKDOWNS, READ RATES, AND RESIDENT COMPANY AGREEMENTS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. AS WELL AS TALKING TO YOUR STAFF. AND, UM, AS WELL AS TALKING TO TO, TO, UM, THE GROUP OF STAKEHOLDER PEOPLE THAT WE ENDED UP SPEAKING TO. WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP SPEAKING TO 30 PEOPLE, WHICH, UM, INCLUDED LEADERSHIP, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WHO WERE HERE AT THE TIME. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS AND, UM, POTENTIAL USE OF THE SPACE, EXISTING USE OF THE SPACE. AND OF COURSE SOME STAFF. AND I I WANNA MENTION, WE, WE DID HAVE GREAT DISCUSSIONS WITH WATER THEATER, OUTCRY, ATHLETE, CLASSIC THEATER PROJECT, BALLET, PAP MBS PRODUCTIONS ARISE AT THE STUDIO AND SIX O'CLOCK DANCE. SO THERE IS, AS YOU CAN TELL, SOME INTEREST IN SPACE IN THIS AREA IN THE NEXT INCH OF THE PROCESS, PROGRAMMATIC ANALYSIS, WE FOCUS ON UNDERSTANDING THE EFFICIENCY OF THE OPERATIONS, THE USE OF THE SPACE, REVENUES BY CLIENT AND PROCESSES AND DIVERSITY OF YOUR PROGRAM, OFFERING THE OFFERINGS COMING IN THE SPACE. AND THEN WE MOVED ON TO THE, THE REST OF THE OPERATION SYSTEM. WE DID A COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS. WE LOOKED AT, UM, THEATERS THAT, UM, HAVE A THOUSAND SEATS OR LESS OF ARE WITHIN 30 MINUTES OF THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. AND COMPARED, UM, THIS DATA'S OFFERINGS TO THAT, INCLUDING THE SERVICES THAT YOU OFFICER OFFER, THE FACILITIES AND SO ON. AND OF COURSE THE GREAT LOCATION THAT YOU'RE IN. UM, AND THEN WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF DONE PROSPECTING. WE PROVIDED INTERIM REPORT, WE DID A COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS, WHICH WAS TIED TO THE BENCHMARKING ANALYSIS TO SEE WHERE YOU WERE POSITIONED AND WHERE YOU COULD BE BEST POSITIONED AS TA. AND THEN OF COURSE, FOCUS ON DISCUSSIONS, WHICH I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND WHICH PRODUCE THE OPERATIONAL ASSESSMENT REPORT THAT ALLOWED US TO GET INTO THE PLANNING PHASE OF THE PROJECT. AGAIN, THE PLANNING PHASE WAS PARTICIPATORY, SO WE FOCUSED ON STAFF ENGAGEMENT. WE CAME AND HAD A PLANNING WORKSHOP, WHICH WAS REALLY GREAT. AND THEN, UM, WE MOVED ON TO ACTUALLY DEVELOPING THE PLAN, WHICH BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO OVERALL, I WANT TO MENTION ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY FOCUSED ON WAS USING WHAT IS CALLED A SOAR ANALYSIS. XORA MIGHT PART OF SWATS, BUT THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AND IN THIS ONE, UM, AS SORE ANALYSIS IS A FRAMEWORK IDENTIFYING STRENGTHS, OPPORTUNITIES, ASPIRATIONS, AND RESULTS. IT MARRIES UP FACT FINDING, WHICH IS THE FIRST PART OF THE WORK THAT WE DID ABOUT THE COM, ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION AND POSITIONS IT ALONGSIDE THE DESIRES OF THE STAKEHOLDERS. SO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE INVOLVED. SO WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS OF THE ORGANIZATION AND HOW DOES THIS ALIGN WITH WHAT STAKEHOLDERS WANT FROM THE ORGANIZATION? THE SO ANALYSIS FOCUSES ON THE ORGANIZATION'S STRENGTHS AND HOW THEY CAN BE LEVERAGED [00:10:01] TO SEIZE OPPORTUNITIES. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME KEY STRENGTHS FOR, UM, ADDISON THEATER. IT, IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. I'M NOT GONNA READ EVERYTHING ON THE SLIDE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT. IT'S A WELL, GOOD VENUE COMPETITIVE PRICING STRUCTURE. AND I SHOULD MENTION THAT YOU HAVE A RESIDENT COMPANY THAT REALLY PROVIDES GOOD USE OR FAIR USE OF THE SPACE BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO OFFER. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT WATER TOWERS, UM, HOW WE ANALYZED THEIR PRESENCE HERE, WE WOULD ARGUE THAT WATER TOWER HASN'T DEVOTED AUDIENCE SWALLOWING AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR ATTENDANCE WITH, WHEN SIMILAR COMPANIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE 35% LOSS IN AUDIENCE RETENTION. SO WHAT IS DOING REALLY WELL WITH THAT? SO THEY DEVOTE FOLLOWING IS A REAL STRENGTH FOR THEM AS WELL AS THE TONE. UM, SO WE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE AN ASSET. SO ANOTHER REALLY GREAT STRENGTH THAT STOOD OUT IS YOUR FACILITY IS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL FACILITY. AND, UM, THE, WITH THE MAIN STAGE BEING THE ONE THAT NEEDS THE MOST OF THE MAYBE TECHNICAL UPDATES AND, UM, RENOVATIONS, BUT THE OTHER TWO SPACES ARE CONSIDERED BY USERS TO BE PRETTY WELL EQUIPPED. AND THAT WAS A REALLY REAL STRONG POINT OF, OF THE, OF THE ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT YOU HAVE HERE. UM, YOUR STAFF ALSO GOT HIGH MARK AS BEING EXTREMELY RESPONSIVE AND ALSO GREATLY IDENTIFIED THE STRATEGY. THEY'RE REALLY GREAT WITH TRAINING USERS AND THE USE OF THE SPACE AND THE USE OF THE, UM, EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS A TECHNICAL SKILL IN ITSELF. AND IT'S REALLY VALUABLE THE TT USERS. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE I MENTIONED THE LOCATION. HOW CAN YOU BEAT ALL THE GREAT FOOD IN THE RESTAURANTS THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE THAT PEOPLE US BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY? SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID DO A COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS AND UM, I THINK YOU'RE ONE SLIDE BEHIND. SORRY. NO, NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. OH, WELL, OKAY. SO YEAH, THINK YOU WANTED ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? OKAY. YEAH, SORRY, . YEAH. SO, UM, USERS FELT THAT THIS IS, THAT THE DATA DO, NUMBER ONE ATTRACTION TO THE DATA IS THE PRICE. THERE'S NO ESCAPING THAT. IT'S PRICED REALLY LOW WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO T IT'S SORT OF SIMILAR SIZE IN A 30 MINUTE, UM, RATIO, UM, DISTANCE FROM THIS, FROM THIS LOCATION. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH THE MAIN STAGE BEING THE HIGHEST ONE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHERS. THEY'RE ALL IN THE, IN THAT LOWER, UM, QUARTER OF THE, OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID HERE. AND ALMOST EVERY PERSON WE SPOKE TO MENTIONED THE PRESS AS A KEY STRONG POINT RIGHT NOW. OKAY, SO, UM, SO HERE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE, THE UNAVAILABILITY OF THE MAIN STAGE AS ONE OF THE, UM, CHALLENGES THAT WE IDENTIFIED, BUT ALSO IT PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASING USE OF THE SPACE AND THEREBY INCREASING REVENUE. SO THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS LIT NIGHTS. SO WHAT IS A LIT NIGHT? A LIT NIGHT IS WHENEVER THE TA IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THOSE SMALL TRIANGLES, THERE ARE THE CURRENT CURRENTLY NIGHTS WHAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY ACHIEVING, WHICH IS SEVEN TWO LATE NIGHTS ANNUALLY. AND THE NATIONAL, UH, STANDARD OR AVERAGE MINIMUM AVERAGE I GUESS YOU SHOULD CALL IT, IS 150 NIGHTS. AND SO THE AIM IS TO GET THE TA TO 150 NIGHTS. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION HERE THAT THE PRODUCTION IN PARTICULAR PRODUCTION BUILD IS WHAT IS CAUSING, IS PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY LIGHTS, LIGHTS IN THE THEATER? IT DOES NOT, IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE PUBLIC. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, BECAUSE THE THEME SHOP IS NOT REALLY SIZE AS A TEAM, TEAM SHOP HERE, BUILDING OF THE SETS HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE TA SPACE. AND WHAT HAPPENS AT ALL THEATER IS WHEN THAT THEY HAVE THAT CHALLENGE IS THAT WHAT THEY'LL OFTEN HAVE EXTERNAL SPACES WHERE PEOPLE BUILD RATHER THAN BUILDING IN THE SPACE. OKAY? SO BUILDING IN A SPACE IS TAKING UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SIGNIFICANT HUNDRED 80 NIGHTS, WHICH IS SIX MONTHS, 80, 90 TO SIX MONTHS. SO, UM, SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO MOVE TO A SITUATION WHERE THE SET IS BEING LOADING RATHER THAN BEING CONSTRUCTED IN [00:15:01] THE SPACE. UM, THIS USE OF THE MAIN STAGE WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE IF THE, THE IS ABLE TO, IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE ITS EFFICIENCY AND THE USE OF THE SPACE. SO IN TALKING TO ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND EVEN IN OUR OWN OBSERVATION OF WHAT THE ADDISON HAS TO OFFER, UM, AND TALKING TO TO STAFF AND COUNCIL AND EVEN PEOPLE WHO USE THE SPACE, THIS IS REALLY WHAT STOOD OUT AS A STRONG ASPIRATION. THIS IS WHAT IS THE VISION THAT WE CAN ARGUE THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSENSUS AROUND IN TERMS OF WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE FOR THE ADD, AND THIS IS WHAT WE BUILT THIS PLAN ON AND WHAT ARE THE THREE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS NEW PLAN, WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT ONE CLEAR BRAND IDENTITY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT JOSH IS GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IN HIS SECTION OF THE PRESENTATION. BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT SPACE EXISTS, KNOW WHAT IT'S, IT OFFERS AND KNOW WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE AND IT, IT HAS A CLEAR AND DISTINCT IDENTITY OF ITS OWN THAT IS NOT, UM, INTERMINGLED WITH THE USERS OF THE SPACE. AND THEN OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WANT TO GET INTO 150 LIT NIGHTS. AND THEN ON THE, UM, QUESTIONABLE RESOURCE ALLOCATION, WE'RE, UM, THINKING HERE OF TWO THINGS. ONE, THE USE, MAINLY THE USE OF THE SPACE, HOW WE ARE GOING TO ARTICULATE HOW RESIDENT COMPANIES HAVE ACCESS TO THE SPACE AND HOW MUCH SPACE DO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO AND WHAT REALLY WHAT IS THE POLICY PLANNING BEHIND HOW SPACE IS ALLOCATED. JOSH IS GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL. AND THEN OF COURSE, ALLOCATION OF FUNDING. UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THESE THREE THINGS, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ALL INTERRELATED, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE A CLEAR BRAND IDENTITY, IT'S GONNA IMPACT THE NUMBER OF RENTAL OF, UM, CLIENTS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTRACT AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LATE NIGHTS IF YOU, IF YOU WORK WITH THE RESOURCE ALLOCATION IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL RENTAL OF MAIN SPACE, MAKING IT, MAKING IT OPEN FOR MORE LATE NIGHTS, YOU HAVE MORE LATE NIGHTS. SO THESE ARE ALL INTERRELATED GOALS THAT REALLY WOULD POINT TOWARDS A REVITALIZED THEATER CENTER. SO, UM, AND JUST BEFORE I WRAP UP, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THERE ARE SOME BARRIERS THAT EXIST. WE LIKE TO CALL BARRIERS, OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE DO NEED TO POINT AND SPEAK TO SPECIFICALLY AND REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS EARLY ON, AS YOU WOULD'VE CONCLUDED, EXPANSIVE USE OF THE THEATER FOR PRE-PRODUCTION ACTIVITY. THIS IS THE NON MIDNIGHT ACT ACTIVITIES AND THE AWARENESS OF SPACE OFFERINGS IS AVAILABLE. THIS IS RELATED TO YOUR MARKETING AND YOUR BRANDING. AND THEN THE ABSENCE OF, OF STANDARD CONFIGURATION FOR THE MAIN STAGE, WHICH I DID NOT GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL ON BEFORE, BUT AS YOU MAY KNOW, THAT MAIN STATION DOES NOT HAVE A BUILTIN DECK OR A PERMANENT DECK. AND THEREFORE, UH, TAT USERS COMING INTO THE SPACE MAY HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THAT DECK BASED ON THE, THE CONFIGURATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. AND THAT IS A BARRIER TO SMALL TAT USERS BECAUSE IT DOES ADD A SIGNIFICANT COST TO THEIR PRODUCTION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT. BUT JOSH IS GOING TO TAKE OVER HERE AND HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. JOSH, IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN REAL QUICK RIGHT BEFORE YOU PRESENT. I PARTICULARLY FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD JUST TO GO A LITTLE BIG PICTURE JUST QUICKLY BEFORE WE GET TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 'CAUSE THIS CERTAINLY HELPED SET THE STAGE FOR THAT. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE THEATER AND THE FOLKS THAT GO IN THERE AND WATER TOWER AND OTHER THINGS, WE JUST SAID IT WAS A GOOD TIME FOR US TO STEP BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LAST TIME THAT WE'D DONE IT AS A TOWN. SAY, WHAT IS THE THEATER AS AN ASSET FOR THE TOWN? WHAT ARE OUR GOALS WITH THE THEATER? AND WHAT ARE THE BEST WAYS TO GET TO THAT GOAL? AND AS OPPOSED TO JUST TRYING TO US MAKE DECISIONS AT THIS TABLE FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISIONS ON WHERE TO GO, WANT TO HAVE THIS OBJECTIVE VIEW AND COME IN AND SAY WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE SOAR ANALYSIS THAT'S DONE? AND BRING THE EXPERTS IN TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE THEATER AS WHAT IT IS, THE ASSETS OF THE TOWN, BUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO UTILIZE IT. SO I THINK WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR GOES TO THAT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STRENGTHS AND SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE. I THINK JOSH'S RECOMMENDATIONS WE'LL GET THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT PARTICULARLY FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HEAR KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS STAGE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A LONG CONVERSATION OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, PARTICULARLY FROM THE LAST BUDGET PROCESS THAT HAVE, THAT HAS LED US TO THIS. SO JUST A HIGH LEVEL PERSPECTIVE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, DOING . THANK YOU. SO [00:20:01] TERMS OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SO LLOYD, ALICIA HAS, YOU KNOW, MAPPED OUT THE PROCESS AND MAPPED OUT SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS THAT HAVE LED US TO RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I'LL GO INTO THEM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL 'CAUSE THEY INFORM OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE'S REALLY KIND OF FOUR CATEGORIES WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT PROGRAMMING RECOMMENDATIONS, WE MARKETING RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, SOME SMALL STAFFING RECOMMENDATIONS TO SUPPORT THIS ACTIVITY. UH, AND THEN WE WANNA TALK ABOUT FACILITY USAGE AND THEN A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS ABOUT RESOURCE ALLOCATION MORE BROADLY. SO, AND I WON'T, I WON'T READ, I KNOW YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE SLIDES IN ADVANCE. I WON'T, I WON'T RECITE THEM, BUT I DO WANT TO GO THROUGH THE THINKING BEHIND EACH SLIDE SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE LARGER STRATEGY INVOLVED. SO PART OF OUR PHILOSOPHY IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY BUILD AN EFFECTIVE COMPETITIVE STRATEGY OFF OF STRENGTHS. AND LLOYD AND LISA HAS REALLY LISTED A LOT OF YOUR STRENGTHS ARRAY, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF AVAILABILITY AND COMPETITIVE PRICE INTERESTED UNIT USERS, EXCUSE ME, STRONG. UM, IT WAS A STRONG RESIDENT COMPANY ALREADY IN PLACE. YOU ALSO HAVE, I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO, TO THAT LIST THAT YOU ALSO HAVE A REALLY DYNAMIC SPECIAL EVENTS DEPARTMENT THAT IS REALLY ENERGIZED AND IT DOES A LOT OF PRO AND IS ALREADY DOING A LOT OF PROGRAMMING THAT CAN BE VERY EFFECTIVELY LEVERAGED INTO GETTING THE SPACE MORE ACTIVATED. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE. WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WATER TOWER, YOU KNOW, WHO WE SEE AS A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, PARTNER FOR YOU ALL DOING A THIRD OF THE PROGRAMMING, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S 150 LIT NIGHTS, WE'RE TALKING WATER TERROR DOING ABOUT 50 NIGHTS A YEAR, PRO 50 DAYS A YEAR PROGRAMMING. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL RESIDENT COMPANIES DOING ANOTHER 50, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ANOTHER 50 DAYS OR, OR ADDITIONAL RENTERS. AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS ALREADY IN YOUR, ALREADY IN YOUR WORLD. THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRODUCING AT THE, THAT THE STONE COTTAGE AND THEY'RE PRODUCING AT THE STUDIO. THEY'RE NOT YET PRODUCING THE MAIN STAGE, LARGE PART DUE TO THE LACK OF AVAILABILITY. AND THEN TOWN CURATED PERFORMANCES, WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER THIRD OF THAT PROGRAM. AND TO KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT LIKE WHAT DO WE MEAN BY TOWN CURATED PERFORMANCES? SO NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE'VE GOT IS THAT A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS THAT, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA JUMP HERE FIRST TO WRAP AROUND CURRENT SPECIAL EVENTS. YOU ALREADY HAVE THREE VERY EFFECTIVE, VERY POPULAR SPECIAL EVENTS THAT THAT KIND OF, THAT CAN REALLY SERVE AS EFFECTIVE ANCHORS, RIGHT? KAO, UH, TASTE KABOOM TOWN AND OCTOBER FEST. THE THEATERS CAN BE VERY EFFECTIVELY LEVERAGED TO PROVIDE SOME ANCILLARY PROGRAMMING AROUND THOSE TO ACTIVATE THEM AND BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THE EVENTS AND BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE SPACE. THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S LIKE AN EASY PICKUP OF LIKE 15 LIT NIGHTS, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN TELL, LIKE WE'RE THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING OF LIT NIGHTS AND DOING THAT MATH ALL THE TIME. SO THE OTHER THING THAT HAD COME UP IN OUR PLANNING WORKSHOP IS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPING TWO SIGNATURE EVENTS. THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO DO, BUT THOSE WOULD BE I AND THE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, IN TALKING WITH SPECIAL EVENTS, THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN AROUND A HOL SOME HOLIDAY PROGRAMMING, WHICH YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE HOLIDAY PROGRAMMING FOR FAMILIES AND THEATER SPACE YET. GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO PROGRAM THAT SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. AND THEN ALSO, UM, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN EARLY SPRING, SAY IN MARCH, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THINGS REALLY KICK UP TO SUPPORT TASTE, WHICH IS HAPPENING THIS WEEKEND, OF COURSE. SO PHASING THOSE IN OVER TIME, THEN ROUNDING OUT THE TOWN PERIOD PERFORMANCES WITH SOME PRESENTATIONS TO HELP ROUND OUT THE AMOUNT OF THEATER AND DANCE THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN YOUR UNIVERSE OF USERS. SO SOME EXAMPLES WOULD BE STANDUP COMEDY, RIGHT? SOME OTHER EXAMPLES COULD BE UH, COULD BE CULTURE, IT COULD BE MUSIC SUCH AS SINGER SONGWRITERS OR MAYBE CULTURALLY SPECIFIC MUSIC TRADITIONS, THAT KIND OF THING. AND THE IDEA IS TO BRING IN MORE, UH, IS TO BRING A GREATER DIVERSITY OF AUDIENCES THAN PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY ATTENDING. AND I USE DIVERSITY IN THE BROADEST SENSE OF THE TERM. I MEAN YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, I MEAN CHILDREN, YOUNG FAMILIES. I MEAN, I MEET CULTURALLY SPECIFIC AUDIENCES THAT THIS COULD BE A WAY TO ROUND IT OUT SO THAT EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THEM AT THE THEATER CENTER, RIGHT? NO ONE PROJECT IS EVER GONNA APPEAL TO EVERYBODY, BUT YOU CAN DO SOMETHING THAT WILL APPEAL TO SOMEBODY. AND THAT'S THE IDEA THERE. THE OTHER TWO THINGS, AND THE REASON WHY THEY'RE IN ORANGE IS THAT THIS WASN'T REALLY PART OF OUR SCOPE, BUT YOU'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT PARKS AND REC, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT WORK HAS JUST BEGUN. THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHERE THERE'S SYNERGY THERE WITH YOUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENTS TO ACTIVATE THEATERS. AND WE HAVE ONE MODEST RECOMMENDATION TO, TO MAKE THERE LATER. AND THEN THE INCUBATOR PROGRAM AS WELL, WHICH SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, ABBY SPECIAL EVENTS TEAM POINTED OUT COULD ALSO, THERE'D BE A LOT OF SYNERGY THERE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE TOWN CURATED PROGRAMMING WOULD COME. IN TERMS OF THE OTHER USERS OF LO ALICIA MENTIONED THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF PRODUCTION TIME BEING USED FOR THE SPACE. AND I SHOULD SAY, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE PRODUCTION TIME IN THE SPACE. THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE 365 DAYS OF LIT NIGHTS RIGHT NOW. SOME OF IT'S 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO MAINTENANCE, AND THAT'S USUALLY ABOUT TWO TO THREE WEEKS A YEAR, DEPENDING ON THE SPACE. AND EVERY COMPANY IS GONNA NEED TIME TO LOAD IN THEIR SET AND OTHER PHYSICAL PRODUCTION ELEMENTS, AND THEY NEED TIME TO DO TECHNICAL REHEARSAL. [00:25:01] SO THEY MAY NEED UP TO TWO WEEKS TO GET EVERYTHING UP AND RUNNING. BUT AS LLOYD ALICIA POINTED OUT, RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE 180 DAYS OR SIX MONTHS OF BUILD AND TECH TIME IN THE CALENDAR, AND YOU COULD FREE, YOU COULD FREE SOME OF THAT UP. SECOND CONSTRUCTION COULD BE MOVED ELSEWHERE. AND THEN BROUGHT THOSE SETS, BROUGHT IN MODULAR MODULARLY, WHICH IS A PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE IN OUR FIELD. UH, YOU COULD THEN FILL IT, YOU COULD THEN FILL THAT SPACE WITH CONTENT AND THEN ACTIVATE IT AND HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OPENING UP AND INCREASING THE COMMUNITY VALUE OF THE THEATER AND INCREASING THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF THE THEATER, RIGHT? 'CAUSE ALL THOSE, MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO GO OUT TO DINNER BEFOREHAND. AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, AND THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT JANUARY OF 2023, WE DEVELOPED AN ACTIVITY PROFILE BASED ON THE USAGE. AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WE HAVE ONE OF YOUR COMPANIES HERE JUST IN JANUARY. AND IF THIS SPACE HAD NOT BEEN FILLED WITH PRODUCTION TIME OVER HERE, THEY CAN JUST EASILY LIKE SLIDE IN, RIGHT? AND WITHOUT LIKE ANY BIG CHANGES, IT, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHANGE, MANY OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU COULD INITIATE TO GET THE SPACE MORE ACTIVATED, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY ARE RELATIVELY MODEST. UM, AND THEY WOULD BE RELATIVE, THEY'D BE LIGHTER LIFTS THAN FOR A NUMBER OF OUR OTHER CLIENTS. WE'VE TOUCHED ABOUT BRAND BRANDING AND WE JUST WANNA SHOW, WE JUST CREATED THIS SLIDE. YOU SAW IT IN YOUR PACKET, YOU SAW IT IN ADVANCE, BUT THERE'S REAL INCONSISTENCY IN THE BRANDING, RIGHT? SO HERE YOU'VE GOT, IT'S BRANDED IN THE SAME FONT AS THIS THEATER COMPANY OVER HERE. YOU SEE, IT'S LITERALLY A FOOTNOTE TO THE WEBSITE OF THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPANY OVER HERE, HERE IT'S THE THEATER'S LABELED AS THE WATER TOWER THEATER. IT'S NOT LABELED AS THEON THEATER CENTER. SO THIS ALL HAS TO BE UNIFORM BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR THE THEATER CENTER TO BE A SUCCESS, THE, THE TYPICAL PERSON WOULD HAVE TO, SHOULD ASK THEMSELVES WHAT'S PLAYING AT THE ADDISON THIS WEEKEND, RIGHT? SO THAT THEY WOULD GO TO THE WEBSITE AND CHECK IT OUT. LIKE, OH, MAYBE THERE'S A CONCERT, MAYBE THERE'S A SHOW, OR MAYBE THERE'S A DANCE, RIGHT? THAT KIND OF THING. BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF, WHEN EVERYTHING HERE IS SO DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER. AND SO THIS IS A KIND OF A CRITICAL THING IS TO GET UNIFORM BRANDING STANDARDS AND THEN REQUIRING THE USERS TO USE THOSE BRANDING STANDARDS IN THEIR CONTRACTS. OKAY? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN PLANNING WORKSHOP, WHICH WE THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING, SO WE, WE BRING IT UP HERE AND WE RECOMMEND, UM, SHOULD YOU HIRE A BRANDING CONSULTANT TO DO, TO DO THIS WORK, TO EXPLORE IT, IS TO ACTUALLY MAYBE EVEN RENAME THE FACILITY. SO OUR INTERNAL TEAM HAS BEEN CALLING IT THE ADDISON, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE IT, IT'S LIKE THE SCHUBERT OR THE WARNER OR THE FOX AND OTHER COMMUNITIES. IT'S SHORT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'LL, YOU KNOW, THE ADDISON.COM GREAT WEBSITE NAME OR THE ADDISON.NET. SO THAT KIND OF THING. YOU CAN TELL I WAS IN SHOW BUSINESS FOR A WHILE, . BUT THE, UH, BUT YOU CAN ALSO CALL IT OTHER THINGS, SOME OTHER TITLES. WE CALL IT LIKE THE ADD SORT OF ADDISON THEATER CENTER, ADDISON CULTURAL CENTER OR THE ADDISON CULTURAL ARTS CENTER. ALTHOUGH YOU ALREADY HAVE AN AC AC ACRONYM, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR WORLD. SO MAYBE THAT'S NOT WORK, RIGHT? BUT WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT COULD WORK. AND THEN DEVELOPING THE VISUAL IDENTITY THROUGH LOGO AND THEN OTHER BRANDING STANDARDS SUCH AS , FONTS, APPEARANCE, THAT KIND OF THING. UM, THAT'S GONNA BE ALL REALLY CRITICAL. AND THEN THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU REQUIRE EVERY USER TO USE THAT VISUAL IDENTITY, RIGHT? SO LEVERAGE THEIR MARKETING SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE IDENTITY OF YOUR OWN, UH, OF YOUR OWN THEATER CENTER OUT THERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY CRITICAL. THAT WILL ALSO HELP ESTABLISH YOUR IDENTITY AS A SMALL PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO THINK OF YOURSELVES AS LIKE THE MINI AT T IF YOU WILL, RIGHT? I MEAN, VERY MINI MAYBE. BUT THE, THE POINT IS, IS THAT YOU, YOU, YOU WANT TO GET TO THAT PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WILL THINK, I WONDER IF THERE'S ANYTHING PLAYING IN THE THEATER CENTER THIS WEEKEND. AND YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT IF THE THEATER CENTER HAS, HAS AN IMPRINT ON PEOPLE'S MINDS. THE LAST THING IS THAT WHEN YOU CAN REPLACE THE PUBLIC WAY FINDING TO CARRY THE NEW VISUAL IDENTITY, OR AT LEAST THE VERY LEAST, MAKE SURE IT HAS THE CORRECT NAME OF THE THEATER CENTER ON IT. WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER IT STAY ADS IN THEATER CENTER OR IT'S, YOU CHANGE IT TO THE ADS IN ADDISON CULTURAL CENTER. OKAY? WE DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THIS LEVEL OF PROGRAMMING. 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING THE LEVEL OF PROGRAMMING THAT YOU CURRENTLY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC GOING FROM SEVEN MORE THAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM 72 TO A FLOOR OF 150 LIT NIGHTS, WHICH IS LO ALICIA HAD SAID IS A BEST PRACTICE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A CLEAR ROLE FOR A FULL-TIME POSITION FOR A THEATER CENTER MANAGER, UM, TO SERVE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT? BE THE CONTRACTUAL LIAISON BETWEEN FACILITY USERS IN THE TOWN, WHICH MAY INCREASE SUBSTANTIALLY, RIGHT? IT MAY GO FROM SEVEN USERS TO GOING TO 15 USERS, RIGHT? TO WORKING, MAKING SURE THERE'S A POP PIPELINE OF RENTERS AVAILABLE. AND THEN THE CURATING ADDITIONAL CONTENT AND PROGRAMMING THESE SIGNATURE EVENTS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SPECIAL EVENTS. UM, IN ADDITION ALSO THEN SUPERVISING THE PRODUCTION STAFF. AND THEN EVENTUALLY ONCE YOU REACH A CRITICAL MASS, WHICH WE'RE, WHICH WE'RE PREDICTING FOR THE SECOND YEAR OF THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM TWO TO THREE PRODUCTION STAFF MEMBERS, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, YOU CAN'T HAVE SO [00:30:01] MUCH ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY AND EXPECT THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO, UH, TO HANDLE IT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT IS WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE GONNA BE NEEDED IN ORDER FOR RESIDENT COMPANIES TO SUCCEED, RIGHT? AND FOR YOUR USERS TO SUCCEED, TO SUCCEED AND FOR THE TOWN TO SUCCEED GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE THINK SHOULD HAPPEN IS, IS REEXAMINING AND REALLOC REALLOCATING THE SPACE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS AT THE THEATER CENTER BUILDING. SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT WHEN YOU RENT, YOU'RE WHOA, WHOA, THERE YOU GO. DON'T ASK YOUR QUESTIONS YET. DON'T DO IT. OKAY, , I DUNNO WHAT HAPPENED, OKAY? OKAY, GREAT. OKAY, SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO, RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU RENT THE SPACE, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YOU'RE JUST RENTING THESE SPACES HERE IN THE GREEN ROOM. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF, THIS IS A REAL CHALLENGE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU HAVE A WARDROBE MALFUNCTION, RIGHT? UH, WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, AND YOU NEED A REPAIR, YOU CAN'T ACCESS THE COSTUME SHOP IN ORDER TO FIX THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A PROP BREAKDOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF A RUN, YOU CAN'T ACCESS THE PROP SHOP, RIGHT? A PIECE OF FURNITURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T FIX THAT. THE SCENE SHOP IS NOT A GOOD SCENE. IT'S NOT A GOOD SCENE SHOP, IT'S TOO SMALL. IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT HOLDS TOOL. I MEAN, IT STORES A LOT OF TOOLS AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT IT, IT'S A, IT'S VERY, IT'S A VERY LIMITED FOOTPRINT FOR A STEAM SHOP, WHICH ALICIA HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER. AND THEN YOU HAVE, UM, THE PRIMARY, RIGHT NOW WATER TOWER IS THE PRIMARY PROVIDER OF CONTENT IN THE THEATER. SO THEY'RE IN ALL THE OFFICES RIGHT NOW, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE PROVIDER OF CONTENT. BUT IN THIS BUSINESS PLAN, THE SIT THE TOWN WILL END UP SUPERVISING TWO THIRDS OF THE CONTENT, RIGHT? AND SO AS A RESULT, THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO BE PHYSICALLY IN, IN THE SPACE SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR FINGERS ON THE PULSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THERE. SO WHAT WE SEE HERE IS MOVING THE TOWN AUDIT OFFICES IN THERE, AND THEN ALSO OFFERING SOME OUTDOOR STORAGE SPACE SO THAT, THAT ALLEVIATES SOME OF THEIR STORAGE CHALLENGES THERE. AND THEN IN ORDER TO MAKE THE USAGE OF THE FACILITY MORE EQUITABLE AND EASIER FOR OTHER USERS TO USE THE SPACE TO OFFER MORE ROOMS AVAILABLE AS PART OF THE RENTAL, ACCESS TO A REHEARSAL ROOM, ACCESS TO COSTUME SHOPS SO THAT YOU MAKE REPAIRS, ACCESS TO PROPS AND WOODWORKING, HAVING SOME OFFICE SPACE FOR THEIR STAGE MANAGER AND THEIR PREDATORIAL TEAM, RIGHT? YOU CAN TURN THOSE, YOU CAN TURN THE SCENE SHOP INTO A, INTO A RESIDENT COMPANY SPACE. IT'S NOT A GOOD SCENE SHOP, BUT YOU COULD TURN IT INTO AN OFFICE SPACE OR SOME OTHER SUPPORTING FUNCTION, WHICH, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS ALSO MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO THE BOX OFFICE. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WHICH CAME UP REPEATEDLY IS THERE'S BA THERE'S A BOX OFFICE, AND THEN WHEN, UH, YOU'RE A RENTER, YOU GET A TABLE TO SELL YOUR TICKETS. AND SO PEOPLE GO TO THE BOX OFFICE, THEY DON'T KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW TO GO TO THE TABLE. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONSOLIDATED PERFORMING ARTS CENTER OPERATION, EVERYONE HAS TO BUY THEIR BOX OFFICE FROM THE, FROM THE SAME PLACE. UM, SO THEY KNOW. SO IF THEY COME FOR COMEDY SHOW AND THEN THEY COME FOR A CONCERT, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS LATER, LIKE THEY KNOW TO GO TO THE SAME PLACE. THEY DON'T, THEY KNOW NOT TO GO TO A TABLE SOMEWHERE ELSE OR THAT KIND OF THING. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE LOOKED AT IS THE GRANT MAKING, WHICH WAS NOT REALLY PART OF THE SCOPE, BUT IT WAS LIKE, SO KIND OF AN SUCH AN IMPORTANT UNDERCURRENT OF WHAT'S OF HOW OF, OF THE CULTURAL FABRIC OF THE THEATER CENTER AND OF THE TOWN THAT WE COULD NOT HELP BUT TO MAKE SOME OBSERVATIONS. AND SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE SUGGEST ACKNOWLEDGE, WHICH IS THAT THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT YOU HAVE IS, IS LIMITED IN TERMS OF HOW YOU CAN SUPPORT ARTS AND CULTURE. IT'S 15%, THE MA IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 15% OF THE WHOLE HOTEL, HOTEL TAX, OKAY? THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS THAT LOCAL SUPPORT OF THE, OF ARTS ORGANIZATIONS IS SUPER COMMON, RIGHT? I MEAN, MANY CITIES AND COUNTIES PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL OPERATING SUPPORT. AND IN MANY, MANY COMMUNITIES, LOCAL SUPPORT IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SUPPORT, PUBLIC SUPPORT THAT AN ORGANIZATION MAY HAVE. UM, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT FEDERAL SUPPORT. FEDERAL SUPPORT IS MINUSCULE. UM, SOMETIMES IT'S STATE SUPPORT DEPENDING ON THE STATE, BUT OFTEN IT IS LOCAL SUPPORT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICAL THAT YOU'RE FUNDING YOUR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH A DEDICATED, A DEDICATED TAX REVENUE STREAM. SO RIGHT NOW, AND WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET TO THIS ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WATER TOWERS, A REALLY CRITICAL PARTNER AND TOWN IS FUNDING AT ITS SUBSTANTIAL LEVELS, WHICH IS REALLY CRITICAL TO ITS CURRENT SUSTAINABILITY. BUT WE KIND OF, KIND OF BROKE, WE KIND OF RUN ACROSS THIS CHALLENGE, WHICH IS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OTHER RESIDENT COMPANIES, THERE SHOULD BE EQUITABLE ACCESS TO THOSE FUNDS, RIGHT? SO THAT IF, SO THAT, UH, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FROM THAT DEDICATED TAX REVENUE STREAM ARE EITHER GOING TO THE WATER TOWER OR THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, OR THEY'RE GONNA SUPPORT THE THEATER [00:35:01] ITSELF, GOING TO SUPPORT ITS GENERAL OPERATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, I IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF NURTURE THE ENTIRE, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO NURTURE THE ENTIRE SECTOR AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL, ALL OF THE USERS THAT, UH, ARE IN THE ADDISON THEATER CENTER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED, THAT THEY, UH, HAVE AN EQUAL SHOT AT RECEIVING THOSE FUNDS TO ENABLE THEIR SUCCESS. SO, UM, AND THEN AGAIN, YOU SAW THIS SUMMARY, YOUR PACKET. THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF FUNDS, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, FIVE YEARS. OKAY? SO THE BUSINESS PLAN ONLY COVERS THREE YEARS, BUT WE'RE ALREADY WAS ONE OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE RECOMMEND GO AHEAD FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. SO ONE IS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE THEATER'S AWESOME, BUT IT'S OVER 30 YEARS OLD. IT'S GONNA NEED SOME GUSSY UP. UH, WE'RE NOT ARCHITECTS SO WE, BUT WE KNOW, WE KNOW THERE ARE LEAKS IN THE ROOF. SO WE DO RECOMMEND THAT THERE'S A FACILITY PLAN THAT HAPPENS. UM, EVENTUALLY, ONCE YOU HAVE A CRITICAL MASS OF RENTERS, THAT'S THE MOMENT TO REEVALUATE THE RENTAL PRICING. I WOULDN'T JACK UP THE RENTAL PRICING RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RENTERS RIGHT NOW. TRY TO GET SOME CRITICAL MASS IN THERE THAT INCREASE YOUR, YOUR RENTAL RATES TO INCREASE YOUR REVENUES AND SUBSIDIZE THE OPERATION. ONCE YOU HAVE ACTIVITY THERE, THAT WILL MAKE YOU MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR GRANTS AND SPONSORSHIPS. I WILL SAY ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES NOW OF, UM, UH, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES NOW OF THIS PLAN IS THAT BECAUSE THE SPECIAL BUSINESS DEPARTMENT HAS SUCH A ROBUST SPONSORSHIP, UH, UH, HAS SUCH A ROBUST WAY OF ATTRACTING SPONSORSHIPS, THEY CAN INTEGRATE THAT IN SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMMING, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, AND THEN EVENTUALLY CONSOLIDATE THE BOX OFFICE OPERATIONS. I THINK IT'S OKAY RIGHT NOW THAT YOU HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT COMPANIES USING DIFFERENT BOX OFFICE OPERATIONS, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU'LL WANNA BE, ONCE ADDISON THEATER CENTER HAS REALLY ESTABLISHED ITS BRAND, THAT THEY SHOULD ALSO THEN BE ONE PLACE TO GET A TICKET FOR ANYTHING AT THE ADDISON THEATER CENTER. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE TOWN MANAGE THAT VERSUS A SEPARATE NONPROFIT SO THAT EACH, EACH CLIENT, RIGHT, EACH RENTER KNOWS THAT THEIR DATA IS PROTECTED SO THEY, SO ANOTHER NONPROFIT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ACCESS TO, TO THAT DATA. OKAY. LAST THREE THINGS I PROMISE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE I, OR SORRY, THERE'S TWO MORE SLIDES. ONE IS THAT, UM, PLACES WHERE YOU CAN BE HELPFUL RIGHT NOW IS THAT I THINK THE FOLD OF BRAND DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING I'D WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET STARTED ON IMMEDIATELY. UM, AND THEN MAYBE GETTING A OUTSIDE MARKETING FIRM TO HELP YOU CRAFT THAT. YOU KNOW, STARTING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT WOULD BE FOR THE FACILITY TO BRING IT UP TO SPEED. I, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING, WHICH AGAIN, THIS IS THE MODEST THING, WHICH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU THINK ABOUT THE TOUR, UH, TOURIST DISTRICT, MAKING SURE THAT THE THEATER IS INCLUDED IN THAT TOURIST DISTRICT. 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE REALLY HELPFUL, UH, FOR, UM, FOR ITS POSITIONING MARKETING POSITION. OUR FIRST FIVE STEPS OF THE PLAN, VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YOU READ THESE, THE MARKETING STRATEGY TO REBRAND THE SPACE, BEGIN THE REPRO REAPPROPRIATION OF THE FACILITY, UM, BEGIN WORKING WITH SPECIAL EVENTS TO DO THE WRAPAROUND PROGRAMMING FOR 24 25. UM, AND THEN, UM, GETTING THE THEATER MANAGER IN PLACE TO START THINKING ABOUT THE DIVERSITY OF PROGRAMS, BRINGING ALL KINDS OF AUDIENCES TO THE THEATER CENTER. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IN WHICH, UH, WHICH LISA REFERRED TO AND THEN CREATE A CONTRACT PROVISION TO MAKE THE TRANSITIONS FROM USER TO USER MORE COST EFFECTIVE. WHAT WE THINK WHAT WE RECOMMEND IS THAT THERE IS A STANDARD CONFIGURATION FOR THE MAIN STAGE. I MEAN, THE BEAUTY OF THE MAIN STAGE IS THAT IT'S FLEXIBLE, BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THAT FLEXIBILITY IS THAT'S EXPENSIVE TO CHANGE IT AROUND AND THAT PREVENTS SOME PEOPLE FROM USING IT. SO WHAT WE SUGGEST IS THAT YOU, UM, UH, THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR CONTRACT POSITION SO THAT THERE'S A STANDARD CONFIGURATION, SAY PROSCENIUM STYLE WITH 210 SEATS THAT IT'S ALWAYS RESTORED TO. SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS KNOW THERE'S A BASIC CONFIGURATION THEY CAN START WITH AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO MOVE IT AROUND THEMSELVES. OKAY. QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THOSE FIRST QUESTIONS. I HAVE ONE GO. I ASK, SO WHEN, WHEN EVERYONE HIT THE WALL WITH COVID AND OBVIOUSLY NATIONAL THEATER CHAINS, I'M NOT TALKING THEATER THEATER, I'M TALKING MOVIE BOX THEATER. YEAH. LIKE MC, UM, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING THAT WAS PUBLIC GOT COMPRESSED AND THEN STRUGGLED TO GET LEGS BACK UNDERNEATH IT IS THEATER. THEATER NOW OUR THEATER A VICTIM OF THAT. SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK THAT, UM, UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WATER TOWER HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING ITS ATTENDANCE. IT'S CERTAINLY, UH, AND I THINK HE'S DONE A REAL, FROM OUR ANALYSIS, THEIR FINANCIALS HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB LEVERAGING AND INVESTING THE, ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT WAS AVAILABLE, LIKE PPP AND THERE'S ALSO THE SUGAR VENUE OPERATORS GRANTS. I THINK THAT'S ALL BEEN DONE VERY WELL. I THINK YOUR MAIN CHALLENGE IS YOU'RE JUST NOT OPEN ENOUGH. YOU'RE CLOSED MORE THAN YOU'RE OPEN. AND I THINK THAT IF YOU WANT, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WANT THIS ASSET TO REALLY BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL ATTRACTION TO BRING PEOPLE TO ADDISON, YOU, YOU JUST HAVE TO GET IT LED [00:40:01] OR MORE OFTEN IN THE YEAR. SO I DON'T THINK IT, AND AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY COVID RELATED. THAT WAS EVEN THE CASE IN TWO FROM THE DATA WE HAVE. THAT WAS THE CASE IN 2019. SO THEN WITHIN THAT, THERE'S A FOLLOW UP TO THAT QUESTION THEN WITH WATER TOWER BEING OUR BIGGEST DISTRIBUTOR, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT NEIGHBORING THEATERS MM-HMM, , THAT'S CONJUNCTION. YEP. WHEN YOU RATE THEM A TO A TO C, A TO FI MEAN, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU RATE THEATER COMPANIES WITHIN A, WITHIN A SITUATION LIKE THIS? OH, SURE. SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE DON'T LOOK AT THEIR QUALITY BECAUSE THAT'S ALL VERY SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I HAVE OPINIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, WHO CARES? THE, UM, THE THING, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS ATTENDANCE. SO IS THE WORK COMPELLING ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT? AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING NATIONALLY IS THAT ACTUALLY SIZE DOESN'T MATTER. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MAY HAVE, IF YOU FOLLOW THE THEATER A LOT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ORG ON SHAKESPEARE FESTIVAL HAS HAD ACTUALLY A COUPLE, WHICH IS THE LARGEST THEATER FESTIVAL IN NORTH AMERICA, WHERE THE SECOND, MAYBE THE SECOND LARGEST NEXT TO SHAW. IT'S THE, UM, IT'S HAVING HUGE PROBLEMS. IT'S ATTENDANCE ACTUALLY DOWN 80% BY SOME REPORTS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE ATTENDANCE AND THE WATER TOWER ATTENDANCE HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD. IT'S BEEN MINIMUM OF 60, 65% PAY CAPACITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. AND IN SOME CASES, SUCH AS THE MUNICIPALS, IT'S BEEN MUCH BETTER THAN THAT. IT'S BEEN 80, 85% PAY CAPACITY. SO THAT'S THE QUANTITATIVE MEASURE WE'RE LOOKING AT VERSUS SAYING LIKE, IS THE WORK GOOD? BUT IS THE WORK APPEALING TO, TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING? AND AS THE TOWN, AS THE TOWN GROWS IN ITS INTEREST IN DEVELOPMENT AND COSTS BEING, WE'RE IN ADDISON, THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE THINK IS HAVING ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND WE HAVE A HOTEL, ARE WE AHEAD OF THE CURVE WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING THEATERS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER? YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, YOUR LOCATION DEFINITELY. I THINK THOUGH, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN WE DID THE BENCHMARKING AGAINST YOUR, THE LOCAL REGIONAL THEATERS, WHERE YOU ARE BEHIND IS HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH ACTIVITY YOU HAVE. SO LET'S COMPARE YOU TO SAY PLANO TO THE COURTYARD THEATER PEOPLE CANNOT EVEN GET INTO THE COURTYARD THEATER BECAUSE IT, THE, THE DEMAND FOR THAT THEATER IS, IS SO HIGH AND THERE, THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOUR MAIN STAGE COULDN'T COMPETE RIGHT. WITH THAT IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION, BUT PEOPLE DON'T, PEOPLE DON'T APPLY 'CAUSE THE, IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH WATER TOWER, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF THE BRANDING ISSUE, WHICH WE DISCUSSED AND BE, SO THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL IF I DON'T WANNA BE A WATER TOWERS THEATER, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT RIGHT? IT'S THE ADDISON THEATER, IT'S THE ADDISON'S NOT WATER TOWERS THEATER. BUT THEN ALSO THEY, UM, UH, THERE'S ALSO JUST A LACK OF AVAILABILITY, RIGHT? AS, AS WE DISCUSSED, RIGHT? SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR ARE OUT BECAUSE OF BUILD AND TECHNICAL REHEARSALS. SO THAT TAKES ALL I UH, THAT TAKES A LOT OF THE DATES OFF OF THE CALENDAR. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF I COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUALITY ISSUE IS REALLY, THAT REALLY ISN'T PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. IT'S REALLY JUST A STRUCTURAL ISSUE. AND AS WE KEEP COMING, WE JUST, WITH THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND THAT DOES INCLUDE THE CONTRACT WITH WATER POWER, THEY HAVE ALMOST A WHOLE BUILDING. AND SO WE, WE JUST CANNOT GET TO THE DAYS THAT WE NEED FOR THIS TO BE A THEATER THAT WOULD MEET THE GOALS THAT I THINK WE WANT WITH, WITH THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE. SO I WOULD SAY IT'S STRUCTURAL, IT'S NOTHING ABOUT THE QUALITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE AS JOSH SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY HIT A LOT OF THOSE POINTS. YEAH. SO IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT LIKE BUILDING THE SETS OFF SITE, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUILDING THE SETS OFF SITE, IS THAT WHY WE WE WOULDN'T NEED A SCENE, UH, SCENE SHOP. YOU WENT FROM ONE SLIDE WHERE WE YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. EXACTLY. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND I WOULD, I WOULD OFFER THAT THAT SCENE SHOP IS, IT'S, WE KNOW IT'S INADEQUATE BECAUSE WATER TOWERS BUILDING THE SETS ON STAGE, YOU KNOW, THEY BUILD IT ON STAGE. SO IF THE, YOU KNOW WHAT A LOT OF LIKE MAJOR THEATER COMPANIES DO, LIKE TAKE DALLAS THEATER CENTER FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'LL HAVE LIKE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SIZE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING EFFECT OF LIKE 2000 SQUARE FEET OF LIKE WAREHOUSE SPACE, WHICH THEN THEY CAN BUILD THE SET AND MAKE SURE IT FITS IN A MODULAR WAY. THEN THEY TAKE IT APART AND THEN TRY AND THEN, UM, IF THEY HAVE TO, THEY EITHER MOVE IT OR IF TRUCK IT, IT'S SEPARATE CERTAIN LOCATIONS. SO MANY THEATERS AROUND THE COUNTRY DO IT THAT WAY WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE SPACE. LIKE HARFORD STAGE COMPANY IN HARTFORD IS TOP OF LINE, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU JUST DO THAT IN A WAREHOUSE CLOSE SOMEWHERE. YEAH, EXACTLY. SOME KIND OF WAREHOUSE STYLE SPACE. EXACTLY. IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE LIKE VENTED PROPERLY AND THAT KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, DUST COLLECTION, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST A WAREHOUSE, BUT THINK OF LIKE A WIDE OPEN, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE WHERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN MOVE LARGE, FLAT, YOU KNOW, LARGE PIECES OF SCENERY TOGETHER. SO IN YOUR SLIDE HERE ON THE CURRENT AND PROPOSED FACILITY USE, OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MAJOR, MOST OF THE AREA IS UNDER WATER TOWERS. UM, LEASE OUR AGREEMENT WITH US, UM, LIKE YOU HAVE COSTUME SHOP, REHEARSAL ROOM, WELL PROP AND WOODWORKING SHOP, THOSE TWO MAINLY COSTUME SHOP AND WOODWORKING SHOP [00:45:01] AS RENTAL SPACE. SO THAT WOULD BE OCCUPIED FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BY ONE USER AND THAT THEY WOULD CLEAR IT OUT AND THEN ANOTHER USER WOULD COME IN AND OCCUPY IT OR, CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT USERS HAVE THE RIGHT PRODUCTION SPACE TO MAKE THEIR, THEIR PRODUCTION SUCCESS. SO, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I SHOULD SAY NOT EVERY USER WILL NEED ACCESS. SO IF YOU HAVE STANDUP COMEDY, I MEAN THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY JUST NEED LIGHTS AND MICROPHONE, THEY'LL BE FINE, RIGHT? BUT EVEN IF YOU HAVE DANCERS IN THERE, RIGHT, YOU JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF THERE'S COSTUME TEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THERE'S A SPACE ON SITE WHERE, UH, A STITCHER COULD FIX THAT IN A PLACE THAT'S EQUIPPED. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THERE. AND THEN PEOPLE, THEY WOULD THEN MOVE THEIR PART OF THEIR LOAD OUT PROCESS, RIGHT? THEY'D HAVE TO LOAD INTO THEIR SPACE JUST AS YOU WOULD LOAD INTO THEATER. AND THEN PART OF THEIR LOAD OUT PROCESS WOULD BE TO TAKE THEIR, YOU KNOW, IS TO TAKE THEIR EQUIPMENT, NOT THEIR EQUIPMENT, BUT THEIR MATERIALS WITH THEM, THEIR COSTUMES AND THAT KIND OF THING NOW, WHICH IS A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR PERFORM , RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU DO THE BIG BROADWAY SHOW OF, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PICK YOUR SHOW RENT HAMILTON, LIKE WHATEVER IT IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, HAMILTON MOVES IN WITH ALL THEIR COSTUMES AND THEIR EQUIPMENT AND THEN MOVES OUT. THIS IS THAT CONCEPT IN A MUCH SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER SCALE WITH THE SAME IDEA. SO I I HAVE A QUESTION REALLY. UM, FIRST FOR THE TOWN. SO WE HAVE THIS GREAT ASSET, RIGHT? GREAT THEATER SURROUNDED BY RESTAURANTS, PLENTY OF PARKING. UM, WHAT DO WE DO? WE LOOK AT WATER TOWER RIGHT NOW JUST AS A TENANT AND ARE WE COLLECTING RENT FROM THEM? HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT RELATIONSHIP? WELL, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT LED THAT QUESTION THAT YOU JUST ASKED IS WHAT HAS LED TO A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION. 'CAUSE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS AND WE'VE HAD THEM APPLY LIKE A NONPROFIT GO THROUGH OUR NONPROFIT PROCESS AND THINGS, WHICH IS FINE AND THAT IS TRUE IN LARGE TO A LARGE EXTENT. UM, BUT I THINK SOME OF THIS IS SHIFTING THAT A LITTLE BIT. INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO HERE, HERE'S MONEY. AND, AND SO WHAT IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT, IF YOU BROUGHT UP THE CHART, IF YOU WANNA BRING THAT UP QUICK, YOU SEE WHAT WE GIVE WATER TOWER AND NOT ONLY INCLUDES WHAT WE GIVE THEM, HERE'S MONEY FROM THE HOTEL FUND AS IN YOUR APPLICATION FOR NON-PROFIT, BUT IT'S ALSO IN KIND FUNDS THAT WE GIVE THEM MATCHING FUNDS THAT WE GIVE THEM. SO IN TOTAL, THAT ADDS UP TO THAT TOTAL THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE 425,000. SO I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION IS SHIFT IT TO WHERE WE LOOK AT IT AS THIS IS THE ADDISON THEATER. WE WANT TO HAVE AS MANY NIGHTS, WE WANT TO UTILIZE THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND WE THINK WATER TOWER CAN CERTAINLY BE A BIG PART OF THAT, BUT WE NEED TO EXPAND IT AND HAVE OTHER PIECES TO IT. SO I THINK THIS TODAY IS KIND OF A SHIFT IN HOW WE THINK ABOUT WATER TOWER. I THINK IN THE PAST WATER TOWER HAS BEEN THOUGHT OF AS A NON-PROFIT TO DO SOMETHING FOR US WHERE THIS SHIFTS IT A LITTLE BIT AND WATER TOWER, WE, IT'S STILL A PIECE OF IT, BUT I THINK THIS IS WHERE THAT CHANGES. SO THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THEN SO ON THAT POINT, SO, UM, DOES THIS HAPPEN OFTEN WHERE YOU HAVE A THEATER AND I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE 150 NIGHTS, YOU KNOW, FROM 72 TO ONE 50. UH, IS IT COMMON TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE THEATER COMPANY INSIDE OF ONE THEATER? UH, YOU DO, YEAH. YOU DO SEE IT? I MEAN, SO TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS, UM, UH, YEAH, I MEAN YOU'LL TYPICALLY SEE THEATER SHARE SPACES YOU ACTUALLY SEE A LOT HERE. SO LIKE THE COURTYARD THEATER, ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF COMPANIES USE THE COURTYARD THEATER IN PLANO. IN PLANO, EXCUSE ME, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, AND THEN, I'M SORRY, COMPEL. OH YEAH, COMPEL IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE. SO YOU, THERE ARE A LOT OF LOCAL EXAMPLES OF THIS HERE AND CERTAINLY IN LIKE THE LARGE PERFORMING ARTS MODELS, YOU'LL SEE, UM, UH, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF PERFORMING ARTS COMPANIES SHARE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. SO YOU'LL SEE, UH, THE BROADWAY SERIES SHARE IT WITH THE, THE SYMPHONY AND WITH DANCE AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THIS SHARING SPACE IS A, IS A TYPICAL MODEL. DOES IT MAKE IT, UM, MORE CUMBERSOME, LET'S SAY FOR WATER TOWER WHO LIKE YOU SAID IS REALLY CRITICAL TO V THE SUCCESS? IS IT SOMETHING MAKE IT MORE CUMBERSOME FOR THEM THAT TO SHARE THE SPACE WITH SOMEONE ELSE HAS BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOW HAVING TO BUILD OUT THEIR THEATERS AND BRING THEIR THEIR SETS AND BRING 'EM IN? UH, YES. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR SURE. I I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S EASIER WHEN YOU CAN JUST BUILD THE SET, UM, IN THE SPACE, RIGHT? AND JUST LEAVE IT THERE. IT WILL, IT WILL REQUIRE SOME ADJUSTMENT. REQUIRE THE, UH, IDENTIFICATION OF THE SPACE, UH, WE'LL WE MAKING SURE, WE'LL ALSO ACTUALLY CHEMICAL IN OUR PLANNING WORKSHOP, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR TECHNICAL DIRECTOR, WHO'S THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF REALIZING THE SET DESIGN INTO MAKING SURE THAT INTO, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND MAKING SURE IT GETS BUILT, THAT THAT PERSON HAS THE RIGHT SKILLSET TO, UH, TO MAKE SURE, UH, HAS THE RIGHT SKILLSET [00:50:01] TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN TRANSLATE THE SET INTO A MODULAR, UH, MODULARLY SO IT CAN MOVE ONTO A TRUCK AND THEN INTO THE SET. SO WILL, IT WILL BE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT FOR SURE. WHAT IS IS AN EASY SOLUTION JUST GOING TO ONE OF THESE COMPANIES THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED, UM, UM, AND JUST TRY TO POACH 'EM FROM SOMEONE ELSE? WHICH COMPANIES DO YOU MEAN? LIKE, WELL, SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE POCKETS YOU THEATER AND YOU'VE GOT 15 OTHER THEATER COMPANIES. I MEAN, I MEAN, TO BE THE THEATER CENTER MANAGER, WELL NO FOR, TO GO TO ONE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, ONE OF THOSE COMPANIES AND SAY, HEY LOOK, WE'VE GOT BETTER PARKING AND WE'VE GOT A BETTER THEATER. UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT WE JUST TRY TO FIND ANOTHER RESIDENT THAT MAYBE TAKES OVER? I WOULD, I, THAT'S AN INTERESTING SUGGESTION. I WOULD PERSONALLY NEVER PROPOSE SUCH AN AGGRESSIVE APPROACH. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A MORE COMPELLING VALUE PROPOSITION AND THE WORD GOT OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM MOVING TO THE ADS AND THEATER CENTER. WELL, WE SURE THAT THERE'S USERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SPACE, CERTAIN FEARLESS USERS THAT ARE, SOME OF THEM ARE USING THE SPACE ALREADY AND SOME OF THEM ARE IN THE AREA, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN VIRUS THAT ENTER THE USE OF THE SPACE, BUT THERE, THERE'S INTEREST. YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE TO POACH HIM, BUT BOY, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. I WILL SAY THAT WE ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF FLUIDITY IN THE USE OF THE SPACES WITH WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE WHOLE METROPLEX. AND SO I, AS FAR AS WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE NUMBER OF THE COMPANIES, WE, NOT, MAYBE NOT EVERY COMPANY, BUT I WOULD SAY LIKE THREE OR FOUR OF THE COMPANIES WE SPOKE TO, LIKE THEIR AUDIENCES WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING TO THE COURTYARD AND THEN GOING TO CAPEL AND THEN COMING TO THE ADDISON THEATER CENTER. LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S KIND OF A SYNERGY THERE. THAT'S OKAY. WE EVEN LEARN, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, DALLAS BLACK THEATER DOES PERFORM, PERFORMS IN DALLAS, BUT ALSO PERFORMS IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. SO WE SEE, SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE LIKE O OTHER THEATERS WOULD LIKE LOSE OUT. I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR COMPANIES TO, TO ENGAGE THEIR AUDIENCE. AND A LOT OF THE INSTRUCTION MENTIONED ARE OVER CAPACITY IN TERMS OF THE RENTAL OFFERING. WE HAVE A LOT OF USERS, SO THERE'S STILL OVER PLANNED DEMAND FOR SPACES. YEAH. YOU MENTIONED PLANOS OVERLOADED. YEAH. YEAH, SOUNDS LIKE ABBY'S GONNA BE GOING SOME PLANO THEATER. . IF I COULD ADD JUST ONE MORE POINT TOO, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER KIND OF THIRD OF THE NIGHTS THAT WE WANNA TRY TO FILL, I THINK THIS ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIMENT WHERE WE CAN MAYBE BRING IN SINGER SONGWRITERS OR SPEAKERS OR DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT DON'T NEED AS MUCH PRODUCTION, BUT MAYBE WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE FIND THAT IT STICKS AND THAT THERE'S A MARKET FOR THAT AND THAT PEOPLE LOVE COMING TO SEE SMALL SHOWS FOR ING. AND MAYBE THAT'S A PIECE OF THIS TOO. SO IT GIVES US THESE OPTIONS TO TRY DIFFERENT THINGS AS WELL. I JUST WANTED EXACTLY. I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT ALSO INCREASING THE NUMBER OF, UM, RESIDENTS ALLOWS THE TIME OF ADDISON CONTRIBUTING TO A WIDE NUMBER OF ARTISTS AND HELPING BUILD CAPACITY TO WIDE NUMBER OF ARTISTS. 'CAUSE THAT MOVING IN PROCESS OF BECOMING A RESIDENT COMPANY ALLOWS THEM TO BUILD CAPACITY IN BENEFIT FOR TRAINING. THEY BUILD BENEFIT FROM LOW PRICES OF SPACE AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF, AND POSSIBLY ACCESS THE GRANTS BECAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION YOU DID, AND LIKE, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE. NOW THAT WE HAVE WESTWOOD SCHOOL COMING, WE HAVE GREENHILL, TCA, WE MARKETED OUR THEATER, OR WILL WE MARKET OUR THEATER TO SCHOOLS TO USE OUR PROPERTY FOR BIGGER PRODUCTIONS THAT THEY DON'T? THEIR SCHOOLS, I THINK WOULD, I THINK ALL, ALL THOSE ARE GREAT IDEAS AND I THINK WE, WHAT WE WANT IS THE ABILITY TO TRY ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND WELL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT THIS TO BE AN ASSET IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. WE WANT TO ADD TO THE CULTURE OF ADDISON, REPUTATION OF ADDISON, BUT WE ALSO JUST WANT PEOPLE DOWN HERE MORE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE WANT, WE WANT THIS TO DRAW PEOPLE TO THE CIRCLE AS WE TALK ABOUT THE TOD IN THE FUTURE, THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE DOWN HERE, WE JUST WANT THIS TO BE A MORE ACTIVE PLACE. AND THAT GOES TO A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THIS CERTAINLY FITS IN. AND DAN, UM, A GREEN HILL SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS A MAJOR PERFORMING ARTS, UM, COLLEGE STUDIO EACH, EACH FACILITY PREMIUM. TC DOES AS WELL, DON'T THEY? WHEREAS WESTWOOD DOES NOT. I CAN SEE WESTWOOD MAYBE WANTING TO TAP, THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING IT WAS WESTWOOD FIRST AND FOREMOST. RIGHT. UM, JOSH, ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST PICKED UP ON IS, IS IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN STAGE A LOT. ARE YOU, AM I MISSING THAT? ARE WE, WE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE THE COLLEGE AND THE AND THE WHAT? THE STUDIO THEATER ALSO? NO, IT'S A GREAT PICKUP. SO THAT'S A GREAT PICKUP. SO WHEN YOU, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER ACTIVITY, YOU WANT, YOU'RE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE MAIN STAGE BECAUSE THAT HAS THE LARGE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOUR MAIN STAGE IS SO MUCH LARGER CAPACITY TO BOTH THE STUDIO, WHICH IS ONLY 80 SOME ODD SEATS, AND DEPENDING HOW IT'S CONFIGURED IN THE STONE COTTAGE. SO IF YOU FOCUS ON THE MAIN, SO, SO WE'RE DOING STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR POURING ARTS CENTER. YOU FOCUS ON THE MAIN STAGE [00:55:01] AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FALL IN PLACE. BECAUSE THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS YOU'LL HAVE COMPANIES THAT ARE NOT LIKE TECHNICALLY READY TO HANDLE THE MAIN STAGE. AND YOU'LL SAY LIKE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE STONE COTTAGE? YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THE STUDIO? AND ESPECIALLY AS YOU GRAD, AS YOU GRADUATE, UM, OR MOVE, YOU KNOW, MOVE COMPANIES FROM THE STUDIO TO THE, TO THE MAIN STAGE. 'CAUSE THERE'S MORE AVAILABILITY. LIKE, THEY'LL BE LIKE, THERE'LL BE LIKE KIND OF LITTLE BACKFILL OVER YEAH, EXACTLY. EXACTLY. SO IT, IT'S, IT'LL BE, SO WE DON'T, WE WE'RE NOT FOCUSED ON THAT FOR THAT REASON. OKAY. AND, AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BACKFLOW OVERFLOW, WHAT HAVE YOU, ARE WE CONSIDERING THE PARK AT ALL? SO, UM, SHAKESPEARE, THE PARK SYMPHONY, THE PARK SOMETHING. SURE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T, BECAUSE THE PARKS PLAN IS LIKE JUST GETTING STARTED, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT KIND OF THING. IT WOULD BE GREAT. UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SIGNATURE EVENTS, SO , BUT, UM, YEAH, UM, WE THINK THAT'S RIGHT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS THE PARK, AS AS PARK AND RECS IS GOING THROUGH THEIR PLANNING PROCESS, HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT KIND OF, THAT KIND OF SHARING. THANK YOU QUESTIONS. SO IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE SLIDE THAT HAS ALL OF OUR COMPETITION WITH THE COMPETITIVENESS BACK ON THE STRENGTHS. WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, DAVE, WHAT'S THE, UM, REVENUE OF THE HOTEL FUND ANNUAL AND IS, ARE WE FUNDING FULL 15% INTO ? I'LL SEE IF, UH, STEVEN HAS THE EXACT NUMBERS. EIGHT. HE'S WELCOME TO COME HERE. WELL, WE'RE VERY CLOSE. YEAH. IF YOU TAKE IN NOT ONLY WHAT WE'RE GIVING WATER TOWER FOR ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS COSTS, THIS OBVIOUSLY CAME UP BEING THE BUDGET LAST YEAR. WE ARE PUSHING UP TO THAT 15% NUMBER. SO SOME OF THIS BECOMES A REAL CONVERSATION. AND HOW, AND FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IF WE'RE GONNA DEVOTE THIS MUCH MONEY, WHAT DO, WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT FROM IT? HOW DO YOU GET THE MOST $70 THAT WE'RE SPENDING? OKAY, SO WE ARE RUNNING UP AGAINST THAT 15% AND THAT FLUCTUATES BASED ON TAX RECEIPTS. THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION KIND LOOKING AT WHAT OUR TOTAL PLAN CAN BE AND CAN WE SPEND MORE THAN THAT IF WE WANT? OR IS IT JUST YOU REGULATION, BUT YOU CAN SPEND MORE FROM GENERAL. OKAY. YOU JUST COULDN'T SPEND MORE. SO ON THIS ONE, WHO IS, UH, JOSHUA, WHO'S OUR, UM, MOST LIKELY COMPETITION IF WE PUT A PLAN IN PLACE AND THREE YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE QUITE A BIT FURTHER AHEAD THAN WE ARE NOW. WHAT'S, WHICH ONE OF THOSE ARE OUR LIKELY COMPETITION? YEAH, I WOULD SAY ACTUALLY THAT PLANO THEATERS, ART CENTER. WHERE IS THAT ON THERE? I KNOW, THERE, I DON'T SEE THAT. OH, YOU KNOW HERE. SORRY. 'CAUSE WE HAVE THEIR STAGES. SO HERE'S CAPELLE RIGHT HERE. MM-HMM. . THAT'S CAPELLE. AND WHERE IS COURT? OH, COURTYARD. SORRY. OUR, OUR, OUR HIGHLIGHTS HERE. HERE'S COURT RIGHT THERE. SO WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE UNIT UP THERE? YOU'VE GOT 30. IS THAT 30? OH, GREAT QUESTION. THAT IS PRICE PER SEAT. SO THE WAY WE KIND OF, THAT'S THE RENTAL PRICE PER SEAT. THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF EQUALIZE TO GET, TO GET APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISONS AND WHAT THE RENTAL PRICES ARE. I MEAN, WE'RE LITERALLY 10% OF SOME OF SOME OF THEM. YES. NOW SOME OF IT, SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE POCKET SANDWICH THEATER THAT COMES, THAT COMES WITH FOOD, FOR EXAMPLE. YES. SOME OF THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OFF BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S FOOD AND BEVERAGE, THERE'S AND BEVERAGE IS COBELL AND APPLES TO APPLES. WELL, I LOVE TO SPEAK WITH COP, COP HAS REALLY BENEFITED FROM A RECENT RENOVATION AND REBRANDING OF THEIR SPACE. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD PART FOR WHAT WE LIKE TO LOOK LIKE, LOOK, LOOK DOING. OKAY. UM, SO THEY'VE PUT IT'S, IT IS BASICALLY $20 MILLION IN INVESTMENT. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT HAS REALLY ATTRACTED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THAT BASICALLY RUN LIKE A MINI, UM, CULTURAL CENTER. JUST LIKE MINI, WE IMAGINE THIS WEEK COULD BE, AND IN MAYBE FOUR TO FIVE YEARS WE CAN COMPETE WITH THEM ON TERMS OF RAISING OUR PRICES AND OUR, LIKE I WORK HERE . UM, BUT THE, UM, AT WHAT CURRENTLY, OF COURSE THEY WHERE THE PRICES. SO WE GET THERE AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE TAKING, OFFERING PATIENTS IN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS RATHER THAN RIGHT NOW. BUT YEAH, DID WHAT, UM, SHOULD, COULD BE DONE IN HERE. SO WHAT WAS THEIR INVESTMENT? YOU MENTIONED ABOUT YEAH, 28. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S NOT APPLE'S OFFICE. YEAH, IT'S NOT. AND SO, AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THE CENTER IS, UH, LOOKING TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL AT SOME POINT IN IT, IT DOES SEEM THAT THAT'S THEIR MENT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR, AND THEY'RE ALSO NOT OFFERING GRANTS IN THE SAME WAY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS YOUR BUDGETS, UM, MORE STEEPLY. BUT SO THEY'RE FOCUSED ON WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR OPERATIONS VERSUS THEIR, UM, THEIR EXPENSES VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING. AND THEY DO SEEM TO BE AIMING TOWARDS OPERATING. YEAH. SO IT'S A VERY IMPRESSIVE FACILITY. YEAH. SO ADAM, IF YOU COULD, DID YOU HAVE SOME MORE? SO, UH, THE HOTEL, TOTAL REVENUE FOR THE ANNUAL, DID WE GET THAT TO TOTAL REVENUE IS, UH, BUDGETED 6,000,500, 2000. UM, BUT THE HOTEL TAX WAS BUDGETED 500, TWO 15% OF THAT. [01:00:02] THANK YOU FOR THAT . BUT IF YOU INCLUDE OUR MAINTENANCE FOR THE HOTEL, WHICH FOR THE THEATER, WHICH GOES TO THAT, WE BUMP UP RIGHT AGAINST THAT SEVEN GRAND THOUSAND WITH THE GRANTS AND THE MAINTENANCE OPERATION. YEAH, WE ARE, WE'RE RIGHT AT, UM, WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THEIR REVENUE, WHICH ED THEIR ACCOUNT, THEY CAN USE THAT WHERE WE AREN'T. UM, THE OVERALL NET IMPACT, WE BUDGET ABOUT $671,000 TOTAL INVESTMENT. WE LOOKING AT A ABOUT SIX. SO IT'S GETTING PRETTY CLOSE. UH, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. UM, SO GOING BACK TO THE, TO THE INTERVIEWS OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND I I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. WHO, WHO WERE THOSE STAKEHOLDERS? OH, YEAH. YEAH. SO WE, UM, SPOKE TO THE, TO STAFF. WE SPOKE TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE HAD AT THAT TIME. UM, AND WE SPOKE TO CURRENT USE SPACES DATA, AND THEN WE ALSO SPOKE TO A FEW TOTAL, WE SPOKE TO MAYBE ABOUT 30 PEOPLE IN AND YEAH, THAT'S, AND OF COURSE EVENT STAFF . OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH Y'ALL, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT SPREAD. AND, UH, SO ON THE ONE SLIDE ON THE STRENGTHS, TALK ABOUT THE COMPETITIVE PRICING STRUCTURE. YES. SO HELP ME, IS THAT THE COMPETITIVE PRICING STRUCTURE THAT THE THEATER CENTER HAS WITH WATER TOWER THEATER OR THE WATER TOWER THEATER HAS WITH THEIR, WITH USERS WITH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT, WHAT IT DOES IS THAT IT ALLOWS SMALLER COMPANIES LIKE OUTCRY AND ACCOLADE TO RENT THE SPACE AND TO, AND TO PRODUCE FAILING OUTCRY CASE TO PRODUCE BOTH PLANO AND IN ADDISON. IN A WAY IT MIGHT NOT IF, IF THE, IF IT WERE TWICE THAT OR THREE TIMES. IS THAT FAIR? YEAH. SO THERE'S A RESIDENTS, UM, COMPANY PRICES SOFTWARE, AND THEN THERE'S A PRICES AND PEOPLE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING OFFER A SEPARATE PRICE STRUCTURE FOR PRIVATE COMPANY PRICE STRUCTURE, THOSE RESIDENTS AND WHAT ORGANIZATION. SO IT MAKES THIS SPACE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO A, A WIDER VARIETY. OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. UM, SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE LACK OF THE STANDARD CONFIGURATION. AND AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE NOW, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN LOOKED AT AS A POSITIVE, THE, THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE SPACE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, BEEN THIS ONE WHERE YOU'RE IN, AROUND AND GOT AN AUDIENCE FACING EACH OTHER WITH THE STAGE IN THE MIDDLE, ALL KIND OF CONFIGURATIONS AND EVERYBODY LOOKED AT THAT, OH, THAT'S REALLY GREAT THAT WE CAN DO THAT. BUT YOU STAYED OTHERWISE. SURE. SO THE, SO AS AS IT IS WITH OURSELVES, OUR GREATEST STRENGTHS ARE OUR GREATEST CHALLENGES, RIGHT, . SO, UH, SO IT IS, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THE SPACE REALLY ARTISTICALLY EXCITING IS, IS THAT FACT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THE SPACE SO UNUSUAL, UH, IS THE FACT THAT IT IS SO FLEXIBLE FOR SUCH A SMALL SPACE THAT'S REALLY LIKE WHAT CUNNINGHAM DID REALLY WAS, IS REALLY UNUSUAL. I CAN'T THINK OF A COMPARABLE EXAMPLE PERSONALLY, WHICH IS GREAT. THE CHALLENGE THOUGH IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO OTHER GROUPS, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO RECONFIGURE THE SPACE. THIS CAME UP AGAIN AND AGAIN IN OUR STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS. SO THEY EITHER HAVE TO RELY ON USING WHAT, HOWEVER THE SPACE WAS LEFT OR THEY HAVE TO FOREGO USING THE SPACE AT ALL, WHICH IS WHY WE SUGGEST SOME KIND OF STANDARD CONFIGURATION. AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THINGS LIKE, SO SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST PICK STANDUP COMEDY WHERE IT'S, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE LIKE PARTICULARLY FANCY, BUT YOU'LL WANT AS MUCH SEATING CAPACITY AS POSSIBLE SO YOU CAN MAXIMIZE THE REVENUE ON THAT. AND THE COMIC WILL PROBABLY BE TAKING 50%, RIGHT? THE COMIC WILL TAKE 50% OF RISK. WELL, ONE AS MUCH SEATING CAPACITY AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR THINKING THERE. NOW THAT SAID, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN, THE MANAGEMENT CAN ENCOURAGE PARTNERSHIPS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IF THIS ALREADY HAPPENS, SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WATER TOWER WILL CONFIGURE IN A CERTAIN WAY AND THEN, THEN MAYBE A RISE IN , WE'LL USE IT IN THE SAME WAY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY THINK THAT'S COOL. AND SO WE ENCOURAGE LIKE THAT KIND OF COLLABORATION, THAT KIND OF THING. BUT WE DO THINK THAT IT DOES EVENTUALLY HAVE TO BE RESTORED SO THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S NOT INTERESTED IN LIKE, FLIPPING THE AUDIENCE OR DOING THREE QUARTERS OR IN THE ROUND OR HAVE A BOAT IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE, AND THE THEATER CAN DO ALMOST ANYTHING. IT'S AMAZING. BUT THE, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S IT, IT SOMEONE EVENTUALLY RESTORES IT SO THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE A CONCERT IN THERE, LIKE IT JUST, IT'S A, IT'S CONFIGURATION THAT MAKES SENSE AND CAN MAXIMIZE THE REVENUE THAT CONCERT. THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. UM, THE OTHER, THE LAST, LAST QUESTION I THINK I HAVE IS ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON NEXT STEPS. SO IT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND RENOVATION. [01:05:01] DO YOU HAVE ANY, I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY BROAD. DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT? YEAH, YEAH, YOU SHOULD. WE DO RECOMMEND YOU EVENTUALLY BRING IN AN ARCHITECT OR A THEATER PLANNER. THERE ARE, THERE ARE PLANNERS WHO ARE NOT ARCHITECTS THAT SPECIALIZE SPECIFICALLY IN THEATERS. UM, OR YOU CAN BRING AN ARCHITECT WHO'S DONE A LOT OF THESE WHERE YOU CAN BRING GARY CUNNINGHAM'S FIRM FOR THAT MATTER TO COME IN AND START TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY LIKE WE, WE JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW LIKE SOME BASIC ANSWERS LIKE WHEN WAS THE HVAC REPLACED? YOU KNOW, THAT THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, IF THE SYSTEMS ARE 30 YEARS OLD, LIKE IT'S BE TIME SOON. SO, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE SHOULD BRING IN SOMEBODY TO KIND OF DO A FACILITY STUDY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT MIGHT BE DONE IN A, IN A RUN. NOW DO YOU THINK THE SPACE NEEDS TO BE EXPAND IT SOME TO DO ADDITIONS IN SOME WAY OR NO? UM, I DON'T THINK SO. DID YOU GET THAT SENTENCE? UM, NOT NECESSARILY IN EXPORT FIVE YEARS, BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY MONTHS CASES, SEATING CAPACITY IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. I, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY WE'RE OPERATIONS EXPERTS AND NOT ARCHITECTS, SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE OUT OF MY SCOPE TO BE HONEST, TO BEING HONEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHO ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ON, UH, REBRANDING. WHEN IS THE OPTIMAL TIME TO START UP TO START THAT PROCESS? IS IT IMMEDIATE? YEAH, WE, THE FISCAL YEAR YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. YEAH. WELL, TO BE HONEST, WE ARE DOING A WAY FINDING, UH, PROJECT RIGHT NOW. SO WE WANT UPDATE ALL OF OUR WAY FINDING SIGNS THROUGHOUT TOWN. SO, UM, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON I, I I THINK IT IS CORRECT AND I, I, AND I DON'T WANNA HEAR FROM COUNCIL, BUT I THINK TO SAY, HEY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA POINT TO A, A BUILDING THAT IT'S THE TITLE OF THE BUILDING I THINK MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? UM, IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE, IF, IF WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH JUST SAYING, HEY, WE WANNA CALL IT MADISON THEATER CENTER, OR IF WE HAVE OTHER NAMES, THAT'S FINE. IF WE THINK IT'S WORTH BRINGING SOMEONE IN TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AS WELL. I WOULD SAY THE SOONER THE BETTER BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO UPDATE ALL OF OUR WEIGHT FIGHTING SITES THROUGHOUT TOWN NOW. RIGHT. BUT I WAS IN AN EVENT RECENTLY THAT, UM, WAS, UH, PLANO SYMPHONY, UM, WAS HERE, UM, WE WERE USING, I ALL OF A SUDDEN DURING I LOOKED DOWN AND, AND, AND I HAD BEEN GIVEN A, A WATER TOWER THEATER CUP AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS, THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE. YEAH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE ADDISON THEATER CENTER. YEAH. YEAH. YOU CAN'T REALLY GO WITH THE ADDISON. 'CAUSE THERE'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE SAME CALLED YEAH, WE HAVE A BUILDING TOO. AN OFFICE. BIG OFFICE BUILDING. WHAT'S THAT? DO WE HAVE A BIG OFFICE BUILDING AT THE TOLLWAY AND NEAR BELTLINE ALSO THE ADDISON? YES, I THINK SO. YEAH. OFFICE OR ADDISON THEATER CENTER. YEAH. SOUNDS RIGHT. SO IF I, I JUST GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. SO IF, IF WE DID GO WITH THIS IDEA OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME TOWN CURATED ENTERTAINMENT TO ADD SOME DIVERSITY AND WE SORT OF HAD THE GOAL OF 50 NIGHTS, HOW HARD IS THAT? UM, WOULD IT BE REALISTIC THAT YOU THINK SOMEONE FROM THE, THE TOWN COULD MANAGE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UM, IS THERE ENOUGH KIND OF DIVERSE ENTERTAINMENT OUT THERE THAT WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO TALENT POOLS AND EASILY DO THAT? YES. SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF PUNCH UP A SLIDE JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU. I THINK TO GO FROM ZERO TO 50 WOULD BE TOUGH, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FROM ZERO TO 50, WHICH IS GREAT. SO I THINK WITH THE WRAPAROUND, SO, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50 NIGHTS FOR THE TOWN TO CURATE. WE THINK YOU PROBABLY, YOU HAVE 15, AT LEAST 15 FROM WRAPAROUND EVENTS. 'CAUSE YOU CAN DO FIVE ROUND BLOOM TOWN, FIVE ROUND TASTE, FIVE ROUND OCTOBERFEST. SO THAT'S 15 RIGHT THERE. AND REMEMBER THIS IS BUILDING UP TO ONE 15 YEAR, THREE YEAR, YEAR THREE, EXCUSE ME. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT ALL, YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL POINT POSSIBLY HAVING TWO SIGNATURE EVENTS SO THAT TOGETHER THEY DO AT LEAST A TOTAL OF, UH, A TOTAL OF 15. BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE, I, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE A HEAVY LIFT. THE TRUTH IS, A HOLIDAY EVENT COULD DO FIVE, FIVE DAYS A WEEK FOR THREE WEEKS BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND AND CHRISTMAS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE ONCE YOU BREAK IT UP INTO THESE GRANULAR LEVELS, YOU SEE HOW YOU CAN GET THERE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PRESENTATION FORM, THE PRE PRESENTED PERFORMANCE OF LIKE COMEDY AND MUSIC, YOU ONLY TALK ABOUT STARTING OUT MAYBE DOING 15 A YEAR AND WE TALK ABOUT RAMPING IT UP. SO YOU START WITH DOING MAYBE SIX TO EIGHT IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN RAMPING IT UP TO EVENTUALLY 15 BY YEAR THREE. SO WHEN YOU BREAK IT UP INTO THESE, THESE DISCREET SMALL AMOUNTS, YOU GET THERE, YOU GET THERE IN TOTALITY. AND AND DID YOU SAY WE'RE GOING LIKE FROM A ZERO TO 50 FOR TOWN PROGRAM EVENTS IN ROUGHLY THREE YEARS? YES, EXACTLY. ZERO 50, NOT ZERO TO ONE 50, RIGHT? YEAH, ZERO TO 50. RIGHT. RIGHT. BECAUSE REMEMBER YOU ALREADY HAVE, YOU ALREADY HAVE 72, [01:10:01] RIGHT? BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS. YOU HAVE 72 RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. IT'S JUST HOW CAN YOU BUILD IT AND THE TOWN COULD, IT COULD CURATE IN A WAY THAT IT COULD REALLY, IT COULD REALLY BUILD MOMENTUM STARTING. AND WHEN YOUR CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH THE WATER TOWER THEATER FOLKS, HOW DID THOSE GO? THEY WERE, THEY WERE GOOD. I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED A LOT ABOUT THEIR, UM, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BREAK ANY CONFIDENCES, BUT I'LL SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL WE HAD A REALLY NICE COLLEGIAL CONVERSATION WITH 'EM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR ASPIRATIONS AND THEIR NEEDS AND UH, YEAH. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR, IN OUR LOOK AT THEIR ATTENDANCE, WHICH THEY PROVIDED IN OUR LOOK AT THEIR FORM NINE NINETIES, IT SEEMS TO US LIKE THEY'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB AND VERY DIFFICULT SERVICE. DO THEY SEE IT AS OVERLY BURDENSOME TO THEM TO, TO SEE THESE CHANGES? OH, I, I'M TALKING MACHINE TOMORROW MORNING, SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION THEN. OKAY. AND LOOK, I, I WOULD JUST, BECAUSE I THINK THE NEXT STEP WE NEED TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL RIGHT NOW IS KIND, WHAT ARE THE STEPS FORWARD? BECAUSE THAT WE WANNA HEAR YOUR DIRECTION. ARE YOU IMPLYING WITH THIS? BECAUSE THEN WE START TO TAKE THOSE STEPS AND THAT THAT INCLUDES THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT INCLUDES TWO 50 NINES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE NEED A THEATER MANAGER TO HELP MANAGE THIS FROM A STAFF LEVEL. BUT WE HAVE THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A BUDGET REQUEST IF WE GO FORWARD BECAUSE WE NEED THAT SOMEBODY TO MANAGE THIS WHOLE PROCESS. BUT IT ALSO MEANS AS WE GO INTO OUR NEXT CONVERSATIONS WITH WATER TOWER ON THE CONTRACT, THERE'LL BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. AND SO THIS WILL BE A BIG ADJUSTMENT FOR WATER TOWER. AND THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT. THAT IS, WE DID NOT DO THIS PROCESS ONLY THINKING ABOUT WATER TOWER. THIS WAS NOT A CONVERSATION TO SAY HOW CAN WE CHANGE WATER TOWER? IT WAS A CONVERSATION TO SAY, HOW CAN WE BEST UTILIZE THIS ASSET FOR THE TOWN? AND ONE OF THE RESULTS OF THAT IS GONNA CHANGE SOME THINGS FOR WATER TOWER. AND THERE'S NO REASON TO NOT TO BE SHY IN SAYING THAT. THAT'S JUST, IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO THAT WILL BE A, A BIG CONVERSATION TO HAVE AND, AND, AND WE WILL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. UM, BUT IT IS A FACT. YEAH, NO, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT FOR US ALL TO REMEMBER IS THAT, THAT, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE WHATEVER AFFECTIONS WE HAVE FOR WATER TOWER THEATER AND THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND WE'VE ENJOYED WHAT THEY DO HERE. UH, BUT, BUT THE ASSET IS THE THEATER CENTER, JUST LIKE THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND HOW DO WE BEST MANAGE THAT ASSET AND THEN MAKE THE, MAKE GET THE BEST USE OUT OF IT. AND IT'S QUITE UNDERUTILIZED AS WE KNOW. THAT'D BE HARD PRESSED TO THINK THAT WATER TOWER THEATER CAN POSTURE AND SAY, WELL, WE'LL JUST MOVE ON TO PLANO. 'CAUSE THERE'S IS NOT SPACE. I THINK THE GRANTS WE'VE BEEN GIVING WATER TOWERS SHOULD BE GREAT. GRATEFULLY APPRECIATED. THEY WANNA STAY PUT, THEY WILL ADAPT TO CHANGES WE'RE GONNA ASK, WHEN YOU SAY CHANGES MY PERSPECTIVE, ARE YOU SAYING CUT BACK ON WHAT WE'RE GIVING THEM OR CUT BACK ON THE DAYS THAT THEY HAVE THE BIGGEST CHANGE FOR THEM RIGHT AWAY, AND JOSH CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THIS, BUT BUT IS THE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, THOSE TWO MAPS RIGHT NOW IN THEIR LEASE, THEY TAKE OATH, THEY USE A LOT OF THE SPACE AND THAT IS REALLY HINDERING US BEING ABLE TO USE IT FOR OTHER FOLKS. SO IT WILL BE LIMITING THEIR, THE SPACE THAT THEY HAVE PERMANENTLY IN THE THEATER. AND SO THEY WILL, THAT WILL PUT A, A BURDEN ON THEM TO GO FIND OTHER SPACE ELSEWHERE. IS THERE CURRENT SPACE USAGE CONTRACT, ANNUAL BASED ON BUDGET YEAR? YES. YEAH, YOU GO, SO WHAT DO YOU DO FOR MOST TONIGHT THEN, THEN I GUESS REALLY RIGHT NOW I JUST, IF YOU'RE OVERALL SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPROACH, THEN YOU'LL START SEEING ACTION ITEMS FROM US THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH IT. THAT'S ALL I REALLY NEED RIGHT NOW IS I'M IN SUPPORTIVE SUPPORT. YEAH, I'M IN, IT'S BEEN GREAT JOB, BY THE WAY. YEAH, GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF, OF THIS. UM, AND, AND IT'S ALSO MY HOPE THAT AS WE GO INTO BUDGET, THAT UM, WE CAN CONSIDER SOMETHING, UM, AS FAR AS MATCHING WISE, THAT THAT WOULD DRIVE MORE, MORE MATCHING CONTRIBUTIONS FOR MORE TICKET SALES TO SEND WHOMEVER, RIGHT. WHOMEVER, UH, THEATER, UH, PROGRAMMING COMPANY TO GET TO GET MORE FOR MORE TICKET SALES, MORE TICKET SALES, EVEN MORE PEOPLE IN TOWN, EATING IN THE RESTAURANTS, JOIN THE PARK, HAVING FUN IN SPENDING THEIR MONEY WHEREVER THEY LIKE. BECAUSE THAT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL. GET PEOPLE COMING HERE TO ADDISON AND TO ALWAYS THINK THAT ANY, PRETTY MUCH ANY NIGHT OF THE WEEK, DEFINITELY NOT A WEEKEND, WHETHER I, I GO TO ADDISON, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON THERE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING ALL THIS WITH CIRCLE PARK AND, AND EVERYTHING SO THAT THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE ENERGY AND ENGAGEMENT WITH AVAILABLE, UH, WITHIN THE TOWN. AND SO, UM, YEAH, SO IT'S, WITH, WITH ANY CHANGE, THERE'S ALWAYS CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH IT. SO, UM, BUT UH, BUT I, I'M, I'M VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS. ANYBODY ELSE? COMMENTS? READY TO GO? YEAH, I THINK THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SILVER LINES COMING AS WELL. THAT'S GONNA BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO THEM ON, ON ATTRACTION. [01:15:02] I CAN HEAR FROM THE OTHER NEW COUNCIL PEOPLE, TO THEM, BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO ADDISON. WELL, THEY CAN UTILIZE WHAT THE RESTAURANTS, THE, THE THEATER CENTER, THE FUTURE PLAN FOR THE, UH, THEATER CENTER. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT THAT, THAT POSITIVE FOR THAT? WELL, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HEARING NEGATIVE, SO I'M OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD AND, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I MEAN, I'M FOR IT AS WELL. I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THE SPACE MORE EFFICIENT, UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOME DIVERSITY. I WOULD LOVE THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A SPACE WITH COMEDY OR MUSIC OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD APPEAL TO A LOT OF IT FOR PEOPLE. UM, AND GETTING TO 159 WOULD BE FANTASTIC. SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. ALRIGHT, THANK ALL. THANK YOU. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH. THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY NICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY. ALRIGHT, WE'LL [b. Present and discuss a review of the Facility Utilization and Consolidation Study.] GO ON TO ITEM FOUR B PRESENT AND DISCUSS A REVIEW OF THE FACILITY UTILIZATION AND CONSOLIDATION STUDY. LET ME, I, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, GO AHEAD. I'LL SAY ONE THING IS AMIGOS AND HE, WE WILL TOUCH ON THIS AND JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR SOME TIME NOW, ME'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR, FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND THAT WENT INTO THIS. WE WILL GO OVER THAT AT A HIGH LEVEL, BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT ANY OF THAT, OF THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE PREVIOUS ASSESSMENTS. BUT WE'RE EXCITED TO KIND OF BRING SOME OPTIONS FORWARD AND SAY, HERE'S SOME CONCRETE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TOWARD THE FACILITY STUDY. SO, I MEAN, WITH THAT INTRODUCTION YOU CAN GO FOR IT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. AND COUNCIL, I'M COLLEAGUE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES. UM, TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, UM, INITIATIVE, UH, ONE IS BUILDING MODERN FACILITY. WE WILL DISCUSS THE ISSUANCE OF THE SIGNIFICANT APPLICATION TO SECURE FUNDING FOR A NEW, UH, POLICE PARTICIPATION AND ALSO TRANSFORMING THE ADDISON CONFERENCE CENTER. WE WILL DISCUSS STRATEGIC REPURPOSING AND RENOVATION OF ADDISON CONFERENCE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND, ESSENTIALLY SINCE A WHILE, UH, AND ALSO WE ARE TO COUNCIL MEMBER. BACK IN 2019, WE HIRED LPA, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FIRM AND THEY GAVE, THEY GOT ENGAGED WITH ANALYZE CURRENT, UH, FACILITY AND PROVIDE CONCEPT TO MAXIMIZE USE OF THE EXISTING FACILITY BY IDENTIFYING, UH, GOALS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. AND, UH, BACK GOING TO 2020 LPA, UH, FUNDING WAS PRESENT, CANCELED, CANCELED, UH, DIRECTLY STAFF TO CONTINUE THE STUDY IN A SECOND PHASE AND CONSIDERED THE FALL TIPPING POINT OF THE BUILDING NEW FACILITY VERSUS MONITORIZING EXISTING FACILITY OF THE MOST ECONOMICAL PLAN OVER THE 40 TO 50 YEARS. CONSIDER A TOD PLAN, DEVELOP A STRATEGY FOR EACH BUILDING, EACH FACILITY UNLESS WE EXPLORE PETRI, WHICH IS A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP FOR FUNDING. UH, OF COURSE WE HAVE COVID, THEN WE WENT TO 2022. UH, NDI ARCHITECTURAL FIRM WAS ENGAGED FOR SECOND PHASE TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, DEVELOP A STRATEGY FOR EACH BUILDING, AND PROVIDE GRAPHS, SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR A NEW CITY STATE. MARCH OF 2023, STAFF PRESENTED THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY ALONG WITH THE THREE OPTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. ONE WAS RUN AWAY THE EXISTING FACILITY. SECOND ONE WAS BUILD NEW FACILITY AND REPURPOSE OTHERS. AND THIRD ONE WAS TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN EXISTING FACILITY IN JUNE AND JULY 23, COUNCIL, REVISIT THEM MARCH 23 FUNDING AND COUNCIL CONSENSUS WAS TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE THE FEASIBILITY AND CAUSE ASSOCIATED WITH A NEW POLICE AND COURT FACILITY AND OPTION FOR THE COUNCIL. OF COURSE, UH, YOU GUYS ARE REMEMBERED THAT, UH, FEBRUARY, MARCH, 2024 COUNCIL HAD HIS, UH, ANNUAL STRATEGIC PLANNING RETREAT AND, UH, THEY ARE NEW AS A TEAM, IDENTIFY AS TOWN FACILITY AS A STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE AND THEREFORE MISSION OF HEALTH AND ORGANIZATION OF EXCELLENT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, 5.41 AND TWO AND THREE E THAT DISCUSS TONIGHT, [01:20:06] DEVELOP A PROPOSED STRATEGY BASED ON A NUMBER OF THE FACTORS, INCLUDING PREVIOUS STUDIES AND COUNCIL DIRECTION, CURRENT FACILITIES, CONDITION AND REPAIR NEEDED OPERATIONS AND STAFFING, INCLUDING FUTURE EXPANSION OF PROJECTION, SECURITY ENHANCEMENT COST AND EFFICIENCY BASED ON THOSE STAFF. RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING STRATEGY, CONSTRUCT A NEW POLICE AND COURT FACILITY, THE SAME BUILDING WAY, REPURPOSE THE ADS AND CONFERENCE CENTER, MAKE IMPROVEMENT TO THEIR ADS SERVICE CENTER. CONTINUE MAINTAINING OTHER TOWN FACILITIES. JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE IDEA, UH, ABOUT THE POLICE AND THE CORE FACILITY. UH, THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1984 AND THE STUDY IDENTIFIED THE FOLLOWING IMPROVEMENT. NEED ADDITIONAL RESPECT FOR OFFICES, TRAINING, SUPPORT, INTERVIEW, FITNESS, , EVIDENCE FROM AND LABS SECURITY UPDATES. A DA COMPLIANCE BUILDING RENOVATION TO BRING FACILITY UP TO THE CURRENT MODEL CODE AND ENERGY STANDARD AND EXPANSION FOR FUTURE STAFFING. WE WORKED RECENTLY COMPLETED IN PROGRESS OR PLAN FOR THE FACILITY AND JUST GIVE THE IDEA LAST FOUR YEARS, GUN RANGE. UH, SHE FLOORING INTEGRATION VAC IS COMPLETED. HVAC CONSTRUCTION ENFORCEMENT, UH, REPLACEMENT COMPLETED FLAT AND SHEET ROLLED ROOF REPLACEMENT, COMPLETED LIGHTEN PROJECTION, UH, PROTECTION PROJECT COMPLETED MOLD REMEDIATION COMPLETED. AND WHEN JANITOR REPLACEMENT PROJECT WAS DUE, JUNE, JULY, THIS MONTH OF THE FOLLOWING MONTH. AND BREAK ROOM UPGRADE, WHICH IS A DA REQUIRE. AND THESE ARE JUST, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANNA SEE THE CURRENT STATUS OF POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. PROPOSE STRATEGY AND NEXT CURRENT BUILDINGS, AGE AND CONDITIONING AND THEY ARE NON FUTURE. THAT'S A WHAT UNDERLINE THAT, UH, REPAIR AND, UH, AND OR UP UPGRADE NECESSITATE APPROACH FOR A NEW POLICE BUILDING. WE ENSURE THE TIMELY COMBINATION OF A NEW POLICE BUILDING THAT PROPOSES TO INCLUDE THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY IN FY 2025. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FUNDED BY CERTIFICATE APPLICATION ISSUE BETWEEN FY 25 AND . TEAR DOWN THE EXHIBIT FACILITY AND REBUILD THE NEW POLICE BUILDING, INCLUDING A SECURE IN-HOUSE DETENTIONS, TEMPORARY RELOCATED PD AND COURT OPERATION AND STAFFING. AND THEN SUBMIT THE COST FOR VARIOUS CERTIFIED PURPOSE STRATEGY. THE SECOND ONE AND NEXT STEP FOR THE CONFERENCE THEN IS TO RENOVATE AND REPURPOSE THE AS A CONFERENCE CENTER TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE. BOTH ESTIMATE COST IS $2 MILLION BUDGETED, UH, AND CONSIDERED AS FY 24 BUDGET AMENDMENT FROM THE IF FUND OR SELF-FUNDED A SPECIAL PROJECT. AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RELOCATION AND . THEN MOVE THE CMO HR AND MARKETING TEAM TO THE CNN FOR CONSOLIDATION OF THE STAFF OPERATION. MOVE FINANCE TEAM TO THE CURRENT TOWN HALL BUILDING AND SELF-FINANCE. AND UH, THIS IS A DRAWING THAT UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, TSK PART WAY. UH, ERICA BE THE TSK HAS BEEN HERE. SHE'S BEEN, UH, WORKING WITH US ON PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT IN PHASE TWO AND ALSO CAME UP WITH A DESIGN CONCEPT FOR THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND DO SOME RENOVATION AND DESIGN, UH, UPDATE FOR SERVICE AND JUST, UH, I THOUGHT, UH, I PUT THIS TOGETHER AND GET BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE [01:25:01] TO ADD SECURITY AND ACCESS CONTROL. ADD ACCESS CONTROL ON ALL EXTERIOR DOORS AND THE SERVICE HALLWAY AND ACCESS IS FROM THE EAST LOBBY BUILD T WALL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CURRENT CHAMBER. WE LOOK AT THE EXECUTIVE MEETING SPACE TO THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE SAF. THE ROOM IS COMPARABLE TO THE LAYOUT, WHICH IS MATTER FOR THE STYLE LOBBY SPACE. MORE ACCESS CONTROL JUST WEST OF THE COUNCIL CENTER ROOF. MOVE THE CURRENT DOORS TO BE EAST TO ALLOW MORE OFFICES SPACE FROM STAND BODY ADD WINDOW, UH, TINTING TO THE STAND WINDOWS TO REDUCE THE HEAT. CREATE OFFICE SPACE. UM, ALL RIGHT. OKAY, TURN THE REMAINDER OF THE STAFF LOBBYING INTO THE OFFICE SPACE. APPROXIMATELY SEVEN OFFICES, DEPENDING ON CONFIGURATION ALONG THE WINDOWS AND THE HALLWAY TO THE INTERIOR OFFICE SPACES COMPRISE OF THE STAFF, HALF OF SFA, KEISHA AND THE CURRENT SPECIAL OFFICE. CURRENT ADDITIONAL WORKER SPACES WILL BE 20 APPROXIMATELY IN THE INTERIOR OFFICES, DEPENDING ON CONFIGURATION. PROPOSED TO BE MODULAR INSTEAD OF UPDATE. EACH LOBBY REMAINS A PUBLIC SPACE AND POST VOTING AND OTHER EVENTS WHILE RESERVATION. ACCOUNT POLICY. THE CURRENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS BASED INTO CURRENT THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND COMMUNITY ROOM. THE NEWLY MODEL BREAK AND PREP AREA, PUT THE NAME AND I CHANGED. SERVICE CENTER WAS BUILT IN 1980. THE STUDY REVEALED THE FOLLOWING, UH, EQUIPMENT NEEDED CUSTOMER SERVICE, WINDOWS, UH, ADDITIONAL OFFICES, VERY REQUIRED FOR MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. RENOVATION TO SUPPORT SPACE, SECURITY UPGRADES, UH, PARKING EQUIPMENT, STORAGE, WORKING YARD, A DA COMPLIANCE, AND BUILDING THE RENOVATION TO BRING FACILITY OF THE CURRENT CODE AND ENERGY. AND ALSO, THESE ARE THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE AND IN PROGRESS FOR THE FUTURE. THEY , UH, ENFORCEMENT AND UPGRADE COMPANY LIGHTING PROTECTION PROJECT COMPLETED, NOT SECURITY PROJECT THAT'S IN DESIGN PART OF THIS SPACE IN MEDICINE DESIGNED AS FOR PART PARTS. AND WE JUST GENERATE OUR PLANS TO ENSURE THE LONGEVITY AND FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SERVICE CENTER THAT PROPOSES A MULTI-YEAR PHASE RENOVATION PLAN. ALLEGATING ANNUAL BUDGET FUNDS FOR EACH COMBINATION. THE NEXT, THE DECISION PACKAGE FOR PHASE ONE OF IMPROVEMENT, UH, TO THE SERVICE AUDIT PRESENTERS, MANAGER AND WILL BE CONSIDERED THE UPCOMING NETWORK. SUMMARIZE THIS PRESENTATION. STAFF SEEKING COUNCIL DIRECTION AND PROPOSED STRATEGY AND NEXUS SPECIFICALLY TO FINDING A NEW POLICE AND COURT FACILITY BY CERTIFICATE LEVEL APPLICATION. MOVING AHEAD WITH AS A CENTER AND AS WE DISCUSSED AND HOW IT PRESENTED TO YOU. THE FIRST STRATEGIES CUT STRIKE ESTIMATED 35 MILLION INCLUDED IN THE FY 24 CAPITAL PROGRAM FOR CORRESPONDING BY THE, UH, CERTIFICATE APPLICATION. IT SHOULD BE BETWEEN FY 25 AND . SOLICIT AND HIRE CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR RELOCATION AND DESIGN PROPOSAL AS CONFERENCE CENTER. ESTIMATED COST IS TOO NEGATIVE, PROPOSE TO COVER CONSIDERED AS FFY 24 END OF YEAR BUDGET HIGHER AND ARCHITECT FOR NOVATION PLANS. AND, UH, LAST MAKE [01:30:01] , BUT AT THIS TIME I'M ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE, I JUST MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS QUICKLY, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT LAST SLIDE BACK UP FOR ME. UM, A COUPLE POINTS I JUST, I WANNA MAKE AS WE GO INTO DISCUSSION, YOU RIGHT, WE'RE JUST REALLY LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THOSE, THOSE FIRST TWO RIGHT NOW. THOSE COURSES OF ACTION, UH, THE, THE POLICE AND COURTS FACILITY, WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU RIGHT NOW IS AN OPTION TO SAY, HEY, LET'S MOVE ON THIS QUICKLY. AND WE'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE THE FACILITIES IN SUCH POOR CONDITION AND IT'S NOT ONLY IS IT'S NOT A PLACE THAT WE WANT ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE, IT'S IN MANY WAYS AFFECTING THE MORALE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S NOT THE BEST WAY FOR US TO TRACK FOLKS TO COME TO COME WORK THERE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED OF WHY THAT'S AN, THAT REALLY IS AN IMMEDIATE NEED. IT ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE LONG-TERM FUTURE OF A JAIL AND TO POSSIBLY INCLUDE THAT AS AN ALTERNATE AS WE GO FORWARD TO SAY WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE JUST TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT COULD IT LOOK LIKE TO BRING THE JAIL BACK. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE, MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS WOULD MEAN DOING THAT SOONER AND ISSUING A LOT OF DEBT SOONER. THE ALTERNATIVE WOULDN'T, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE, UM, OUTSIDE OF MULTIPLE YEARS OF STAYING IN THE BUILDING WOULD BE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BOND ELECTION. WE WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BOND ELECTION, IT'S IN THE NEXT BOND ELECTION. THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE IMMEDIATE URGENT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND HAMID SHOWED THE SLIDE OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE, THAT WE KEEP HAVING ISSUES POP UP THERE. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY, UM, THOSE ARE SOME COSTS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT'S NEXT DOWN THE LINE EVERY YEAR THERE ARE GONNA BE MORE COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION THAT IT'S IN. SO WE DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY SAYING, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT DOING THIS SOONER, BUT WE DO THINK THERE'S SOME URGENCY THAT IS NEEDED IN ADDRESSING THAT FACILITY. THAT WAITING WILL CAUSE MORE ISSUES. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING THERE'S URGENCY WITH THAT AND THAT WE THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING DOING THAT SOONER THAN LATER. ON THE, ON THE CONFERENCE CENTER, A BIG PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD IS CONSOLIDATION. WHILE THIS DOESN'T CONSOLIDATE EVERYBODY ALTOGETHER, WHAT IT DOES DO IS MOVE A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN TO THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND THEN EVERYONE IS A LOT CLOSER. IT'S NOT A LONG DRIVE TO THE SERVICE CENTER, TO THE AIRPORT, TO THE POLICE AND FIRE STATION. SO IT DOES GET US A LOT CLOSER AND THERE ARE, AND WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON IT TOO MUCH, BUT SPECIFICALLY AT CITY HALL AND THE FINANCE BUILDING, THERE ARE SECURITY ISSUES THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH RIGHT NOW. THOSE ARE WIDE OPEN BUILDINGS THAT ANYONE CAN WALK RIGHT INTO AND WALK NEAR OR AROUND THE BUILDING AND THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT CONSIDERING THE AGE AND THE STYLE OF THOSE BUILDINGS. SO BY DOING THAT, WE CAN CLOSE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF THOSE BUILDINGS COULD BE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT CITY, AT CITY HALL, WE COULD, THAT COULD STILL BE A TOWN FACILITY, BUT IT COULD BE A CLOSED TOWN FACILITY THAT NO ONE CAN JUST WALK INTO. EVEN IF WE HAVE STAFF THERE, WE'VE HAD INCIDENTS AT BOTH BUILDINGS, SECURITY INCIDENTS, AND WE JUST, THERE AREN'T GREAT SOLUTIONS TO MAKE THEM MAKE THOSE BUILDINGS SECURE. SO THAT IS ANOTHER BENEFIT. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COST AND, AND WITH FUNDING IDENTIFIED, IT SEEMS LIKE PRETTY GOOD MOVE TO GO AHEAD AND JUST MAKE THE RENOVATIONS HERE THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE US DOWN THE ROAD IN YEARS DOWN IN THE FUTURE TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THE CONSOLIDATED TOWN HALL. I THINK THAT IS A, A CONVERSATION THAT CAN BE HAD DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I DO THINK THE POLICE STATION WOULD BE THE PRIORITY OVER THAT RIGHT NOW. SO JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT ON THOSE TWO, UM, AS WE OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. DAVID, I DON'T WANT TO DOVETAIL ON, ON SOME OF THE THINGS YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE, THE, UH, OUR POLICE, OUR POLICE FACILITY RIGHT NOW. UM, HOPEFULLY ALL OF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN INSIDE IT, BUT UM, IT DOES NOT, UH, NO OFFENSE TO OUR OFFICERS. IT DOES NOT REFLECT WHO WE ARE AND IT DOESN'T HELP US WITH HIRING. UM, AND I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR FIVE OUT OF THE LIST LAST SIX YEARS AND UM, UM, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, UH, WITH SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES WE'VE HAD TO APPROVE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN MY MIND, KNOWING, KNOWING THAT WE NEED TO LEVEL IT AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW. SO, UM, I'M NOT REALLY OPEN-MINDED ANYMORE. MORE EXPENDITURES ABOUT HOW, HOW TO KEEP IT UPRIGHT. UM, I'D LOVE TO BUILD NEW FACILITY. UM, AND I AM PLEASED TO TO SEE THIS ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE FINANCE BUILDING. UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS RELATED TO STAFFING IF I COULD. UM, AS FAR AS STAFF AT THE FINANCE BUILDING, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE AND THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE AT TOWN HALL, WE HAVE A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. UH, IT'S GONNA BE TOTAL 25, UH, I GUESS CMO IS SEVEN, MARKETING IS GONNA BE FIVE, UM, HR IS FIVE AND THEN WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT ALREADY [01:35:01] HERE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THERE. ALL TOTAL 25 OFFICE, 25 PEOPLE MOVING. YEAH, WHAT I'M, OKAY, SO WE'RE, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE WE MOVING OUT OF TOWN HALL? I 17. 1717. YES SIR. OKAY. AND THEN HOW MANY OUTTA THE FINANCE BUILDING FINANCE GOES TO TOWN HALL? HOW MANY? 18. 18 STAFF. 17. 17. SO SAME NUMBER. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, AND DO WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET THE, THE REPORT BACK FROM MATRIX CONSULTANT ABOUT THE FIRST RESPONDER, UH, STAFF IN THE SUMMER? IT'LL BE KIND OF RIGHT AT BUDGET TIMES, PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M PUSHING EVERYONE, EVERYONE ON THAT, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. IF I CAN MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, UM, THAT FROM DAY ONE OF SITTING DOWN AND TALKING WITH NANCY AND FORMER MAYOR CHOW, THE FIRST QUESTIONS I HAD ASKED WAS THE, THE FACT THAT FIRE AND POLICE BOTH NEEDED NEW FACILITIES. SO I, I CAN'T REITERATE STRONGLY ENOUGH. YEP. LET'S DO IT YESTERDAY. LET'S START THE PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD FIRST FOR PD. AND THEN I GUESS MY OPEN QUESTION IS WILL THERE BE A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT AT SOME POINT? I, I WOULD SAY THE NEXT BOND AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE BOND THAT A FIRE, THE FIRE STATION WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT. THERE'S NO QUESTION. I JUST THINK AS WE PRIORITIZE AND WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE AT THE FIRE STATION, NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S BROUGHT IT TO THE CONDITION, THE TOP LEVEL CONDITION WE WANTED, BUT SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE HELPED TO THE, TO THE LEVEL THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY PRIORITIZE A POLICE STATION. AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH CITIZENS ACADEMY AND ANYONE WHO HASN'T SHOULD GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE THEN YOU GET TO WALK THROUGH THE REPAIR WE'VE DONE, WHICH ARE LIKE BANDAIDS TO THE SITUATION. SO TO MARLIN'S POINT TO HAVE SPENT WHATEVER IT IS, ONE TO TWO TO 3 MILLION IN REPAIR VERSUS SINKING IT INTO A 35 MILLION BUILDING. MY ONLY QUESTION IS YOU LOOK AT THE TOLLWAY, THEY, THEY BUILT A TOLLWAY NORTH TO THREE 80 AND THEN YEARS LATER HAD TO REDO IT AGAIN TO WIDENER, ARE WE GONNA BUILD A POLICE STATION FOR 2050 AS CPACS LOOKING AT, WE BUILD IT BIG ENOUGH KNOWING WE HAVE SO MUCH COMING INTO ADD SPRING UP. SO I THINK THAT'S A BEEN ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF IT DOVETAILING WITH THE MATRIX STUDY, WHICH FOR EVERY MATRIX STUDY OUR POLICE MATRIX IS THE CONSULTING GROUP'S DOING OUR POLICE STAFF, POLICE FIRE STAFFING STUDY. SO THEY'RE DOING A LONG RANGE LOOK AT WHAT OUR STAFFING NEEDS ARE RIGHT NOW, MAYBE WHERE WE'RE DEFICIENT AND WHAT OUR NEEDS WILL BE OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS. SO I THINK DOING THAT STUDY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS HELPS TO HOPEFULLY GUARD AGAINST. YEAH, THAT'D BE MY ONLY BIGGEST CONCERN AS WE BUILD A BIG ENOUGH THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD BE MINE TOO. JUST RIGHT OFF OF THE OFF OF THE TOP IS, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE A A, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT AND NEED IN A NEW FACILITY THAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW. AND IT NEEDS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH SO THAT IT GROWS. I MEAN WE CAN GROW, UH, AND THAT'S THERE, BUT IT, TO ME, MY OPINION, IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT. AND YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO FLAGS ABOUT, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING MONEY ON RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE OF THAT, BUT THIS LIST IS GONNA GET BIGGER, UH, FAST. SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, I THINK THE ANSWER IS, OR THE SMART SPEND ON THEIR MONEY, ON OUR CITIZENS' MONEY IS TO MOVE FORWARD. I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SAY BECAUSE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR CIP AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BE AROUND THE BUSH, I DON'T BE VERY, WE WITH THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, WITH ALL OF OUR ROADWAYS HITTING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE HAVING A BIG DEBT EXPENSE HITTING OUR BOOKS. AND SO THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WAS ANTICIPATED. AND IT'S ACTUALLY WELL UNDER WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN GO UP THIS AMOUNT, OBVIOUSLY LARGELY DUE TO, UH, APPRAISALS INCREASING. UM, BUT WE ARE GONNA START TO GET HIT WITH THIS. THIS WILL ADD TO THAT. WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I THINK WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT'S HOW IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE SINKING MONEY ON THE OTHER SIDE IF WE DON'T. SO I, I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT AND MAYBE, MAYBE JUST TO KIND OF FINE TUNE ONE OF THE THOUGHTS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE BUILD BIG ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, TO GROW MAYBE, MAYBE IN THE DESIGN PHASE WE CAN DESIGN SUCH THAT IT CAN GROW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A PHASE TWO OR SOMETHING. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT JUST SO THAT, UM, WE DON'T DO IT ALL NOW. MAYBE, MAYBE THERE IS A WAY YOU DESIGN IT SUCH THAT THERE IS AN EASE OF EXPANSION AT THAT POINT. DUNNO, CAN CAN WE TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE CURRENT JAIL SITUATION? SURE. BECAUSE MAYBE [01:40:01] NOT EVERYBODY'S TOTALLY UP TO SPEED WITH THAT. SURE. I CAN GIVE A, A QUICK SYNOPSIS AND I'M SURE THERE'S FOLKS THAT WHO CAN GIVE SOME MORE DETAIL. UM, SO IF MY HIGH LEVEL DOESN'T DO IT, I'M, I'M SURE, UH, CHIEF VINCENT WOULD BE HAPPY TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO IT. BUT, UM, BUT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH CARROLLTON THAT WAS, THAT LASTED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WHERE WE CONTRACTED FOR A JAIL SERVICE. THAT CONTRACT CEASED. UM, AND WE REALLY NEEDED TO FIND SOMEONE TO, TO WORK WITH. AND WE ENDED UP WORKING WITH GRAPEVINE WAS THE, THE, UH, THE, THIS TOWN, THE CITY THAT STEPPED UP. AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR YEARS. SO NOW, UM, COME UP ON, ON TWO YEARS WITH THEM. UM, AND, AND, AND WE ARE, WE ARE THANKFUL THAT THEY STEPPED, STEPPED UP, THEY CAME, THEY WERE AN ASSET WHEN WE NEEDED ONE AND THEN WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THEM. BUT IT IS A BIG BURDEN ON OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO GRAPEVINE AND ALL THE WAY BACK. IT TAKES, UH, TIME AWAY FROM THEM BEING ON THE STREETS HERE. IT ENDURES THEIR ABILITY TO PERFORM THEIR JOB. SO AS WE LOOK AT THE COST AND THE COST OF BRINGING IT BACK IN HOUSE, POSSIBLY, CERTAINLY WE WILL TAKE ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT, THE LOST TIME THAT WE HAVE OF OUR OFFICERS GOING BACK AND FORTH. SO I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE. I THINK WHAT THIS, UM, GOING FORWARD WITH THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. WE CAN'T HAVE, WE CAN'T WEIGH OPTIONS AGAINST EACH OTHER 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO BRING ANYONE BACK IN HOUSE. SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO HAVE DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD HELP IT, IT'S GONNA HELP INFORM IT. RIGHT. AND DO WE, UM, ON THIS, THIS PROPOSED 35 MILLION, IS THIS THE TYPE OF, UH, UH, DEBT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO THE STATE? LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT UH, COUPLE MONTHS AGO? IT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME PROGRAM. I'M NOT SURE WE TAP INTO THAT OR I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE THAT. NOT FOR, NOT FOR THIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THAT CONTRACT WITH CARROLLTON WAS AFTER WE HAD OUR OWN JAIL, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN OPTIMAL SITUATION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMENT, BUT UH, BUT UH, BUT SO YEAH, WE HAD OUR OWN FOR A LONG TIME AND IT ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE OF GOOD YELP REVIEWS ON OUR OWN CHANNEL SALES . BUT UH, BUT, BUT THEN WE WENT IN OTHER DIRECTIONS AND NOW WE NEED, NOW IT'S NOT WORKING AS WELL AS WE MIGHT WANT IT TO BE. YEAH, I WOULD LOOK AT THE EXPENSE OF JUST WHAT MARLON BROUGHT IT UP. WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT IS THE MORALE AND, AND THE RETENTION. 'CAUSE YOU SPEND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON TRAINING PROFESSIONALS AND THEY LEAVE. SO THAT'S ALMOST AN EXPENSE YOU NEED TO PUT INTO 35 MILLION FACTOR OR 40 MILLION FACTOR IS THE LOSSES ON THE OTHER END. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT AND THAT COMMENT ABOUT, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT SAID THE RELOCATION PROJECT OR PROPOSAL IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 35 MILLION. SO WHERE ARE THEY GONNA BE WHILE WE TEAR DOWN THEIR BUILDING? RIGHT. AND HOW MUCH IS THAT GONNA COST AND HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE? UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL VERY GOOD QUESTIONS AND, AND THOSE WILL BE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT. I MEAN, MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE TO MOBILIZE EVERYONE SOMEWHERE. UM, I DON'T SEE, I, AND I'M GETTING OUT OF MY DEPTH, BUT I, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN DO HALF OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF START FROM SCRATCH. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND SOME BUILDING. MOST LIKELY, MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE TO LEASE A BUILDING FOR A YEAR OR SO WHERE OUR, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ESSENTIALLY OPERATES OUT OF, UM, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT HAPPENS WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DOING RENOVATIONS OF POLICE, UM, POLICE, UH, STATIONS FREQUENTLY. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY NOVEL, BUT THERE WILL BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UM, AND WE HAVE TO DIG IN AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WILL BE A, A PIECE OF THIS PROJECT. SO THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WILL BE 35 MILLION PLUS THAT COST. I'M NOT SURE IF WE IT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THEM. WELL, I, I THINK WE, I GUESS AFTER WE GET THE CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO GO FOR SOLUTION THAT WE BROUGHT, WE BRING BACK TO BUDGET. OH, THEY'LL BE, YEAH, THERE. SO I THINK THOSE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE THAT LEVEL OF PRECISION IN THE NUMBERS, BUT IT WILL BE, UM, POSSIBLY ADDED TO IT. I'M JUST NOT SURE IF IT WOULD BE IN THERE. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO DO IT. I JUST, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. AND SO THEN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND LOOK AT THE IMPACT THAT THE COS AND POTENTIAL IF WE SOLD THE FINANCE BUILDING OR SOMETHING AND HOW ALL THAT WILL PLAY TOGETHER NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MEETING. NEXT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR TOTAL CIP, WHICH YOU REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS IN CONTEXT OF OUR TOTAL CIP AND THE DEBT SERVICE FROM TAX RATE AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED. SO THAT'S, THAT'S TEED UP. THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS PRIOR TO THE CIPP. JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MAGNITUDE. UM, $35 MILLION, SEVERAL OF THE LAST LARGE PROJECTS HAVE COME IN AT TWO OR THREE X WILL WE, UH, ESTIMATED TWO OR THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO, HOW ACCURATE IS THAT? 35? I [01:45:01] LIKE TO BRING ERICA, WHICH COMPANY WE TALK ABOUT THAT WE HOLD TO. IT'S GONNA GO AND TELL YOU IT'S NOT ACCURATE AT ALL. ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS STUDY WAS PERFORMED, WE ACTUALLY PLANNED OUT FOR A FIVE YEAR PROJECTION FOR THAT 35 MILLION. SO WE DO FEEL FAIRLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER. UM, PREVIOUSLY WE, WE DID INCREASE THAT JUST SLIGHTLY WITH THE OPTION OF BRINGING BACK A JAIL FACILITY AS WE FURTHER INVESTIGATE THAT WE CAN NAIL DOWN THIS NUMBER A LITTLE BIT, UH, BETTER. BUT THAT, THAT NUMBER WAS FOR PROJECTION ABOUT THREE YEARS IN THE FUTURE, EVEN FROM TODAY'S DATE INCLUDES THE JAIL. AND A LITTLE MORE BACKSTORY ON THE JAIL IS WE DIDN'T HAVE HARDLY ANY OPTIONS. WE WERE LUCKY GRAPEVINE AND OTHER PARTNERS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH CITIES AND FOR DIFFERENT REASONS FALLEN THROUGH AND IT'S JUST VIABLE AND DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT POSITION. DID YOU TELL ME BEFORE WHAT HAPPENED TO RJ? WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS A DECISION BY THE TOWN AT THE TIME, UM, THAT IT WAS, THAT IT MADE SENSE TO WORK WITH CARROLLTON. AND I'LL BE HONEST, I THINK TAKING A REGIONAL APPROACH TO JAIL DOES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. UM, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING OUR SIZE. I THINK IF WE, IF WE WERE IN THE RIGHT, UH, SETUP AND WE HAD THE RIGHT PARTNERS, I THINK A REGIONAL APPROACH TO JOE WOULD BE GREAT. UM, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO RIGHT NOW IS JUST DEAL WITH THE REALITY THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. AND THE REALITY IS GREAT BY, AGAIN, GREAT FOR THEM, BUT THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES WHO WE COULD PARTNER WITH AND THAT'S PUT A BIG BURDEN ON US. SO I THINK IT WAS, MY ASSUMPTION IS IT WAS PROBABLY DUE TO THE FACILITY TO SOME DEGREE, BUT LARGELY JUST OPERATIONS COST CENTER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPERATIONS COST OF HAVING ADDITIONAL FOLKS ON STAFF HERE TO WORK THE JAIL VERSUS CONTRACTING OUT WITH CARROLLTON, I'M SURE IT CAME OUT WELL IN FAVOR OF, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF. IF, IF, IF YOU HAD TO HAVE IT, WE BUILD, WE BUILD A NEW FACILITY, WHAT WOULD THE MORALE LIKE TO SAY, YEP, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A JAIL KEEP GOING TO GRAPEVINE. WOULD THAT BE A HUGE DETERRENT FOR OUR STAFF TO STAY ON AND CONTINUE TO WORK OUT A BIT? UH, AS, AS YOU GUYS UH, MENTIONED, JAIL DRIVE AND JUST THE TIME SPENT NOT BEING IN OUR OWN BACKYARD AND CONTROL THAT WELL, JUST BASIC LIFE. UH, CERTAINLY THEY WOULD BE THE ABOVE BUILDING, RIGHT? AND BE RESOURCE THERE, UM, FOR THE SYSTEM DRIVE BY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, QUICK QUESTION. UM, IF, UH, IF WE WERE TO, UH, TO GO AHEAD, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO, UH, LOOK AT NEW FACILITY AND WE JUST WORKED AS HARD AS AND AS FAST AS WE COULD, UM, CONSIDERING THE LEVEL OF REVIEW AND ANALYSIS DONE, WHEN, WHEN WOULD WE BE PREDICTING UM, THAT DEMOLITION WOULD START? UH, I'LL DO BACK OF THE ENVELOPE. YOU CAN. I MEAN, SO IF WE, IF WE HOPE THAT, UM, OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO SELL THE DEBT BEGINNING OCTOBER. SO I MEAN IF WE'D SAY WE GOT DESIGN STARTED OCTOBER AND THAT WOULD BE A YEAR LONG PROCESS. SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IN FROM OCTOBER, MAYBE 12, 14 MONTHS REALLY GOING ON, BUT THE CONFERENCE NUMBER PROBABLY SIX TO SEVEN. YES, YES, YES. THAT WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO THE NO, I WAS, I WAS THE, THE OTHER OPTION TO KIND OF EXPECT THAT. AND GOING BACK TO THE ITEM THOUGH, IS CONSIDERING A CR UH, CONSTRUCTION PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT WHERE ONCE A FIRM IS, IS, UH, ALLOCATED PROJECT TO START THE DESIGN, ET CETERA, POSSIBLY AT THE END OF SCHEMATIC, BEGINNING OF DESIGN DEVELOPMENT STAGE A CONTRACTOR, YOU WOULD PUT OUT ANOTHER RFP OR RQ FOR A CONTRACTOR TO A SET DESIGNATED NUMBER. UH, THEY PROVIDE THEIR PROPOSALS BASED SELECTIONS MADE. THEY WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE DESIGN TEAM SO THAT YOU'RE GETTING WIDE BUDGET NUMBERS THROUGHOUT THE PHASE OF DESIGN TO ONE, ENSURE KEEPING WITHIN BUDGET, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE ALSO FOR THAT BUDGET AND EXPEDITING THE PROCESS IN GENERAL FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS SO YOU WOULDN'T COME UP WITH A DESIGN AND THEN YOU GET TO THAT CONSTRUCTION BID AND SAY, I CAN'T REALLY DO THAT. CORRECT. I MEAN THERE, THERE'S, IN YOUR TYPICAL, UH, DESIGN BIG BUILD PHASE, THERE ARE PROCEDURES AND, AND THINGS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT YOU KEEP INSIDE THAT BUDGET. BUT GOING A ROUTE LIKE THAT CAN ALSO HELP EXPEDITE THE PROCESS TO MAKE IT, UH, TO BREAK GROUND SOONER, FOR INSTANCE, [01:50:01] ET CETERA. UM, EVEN IF YOU DO GO THE TRADITIONAL ROUTE, THE DESIRES WOULD ENSURE PROVIDING PROCESS. OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALL MOVING IN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME DIRECTION THAT WE AM I COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD. IS THERE ANY MORE ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ASK RIGHT NOW. I I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT THAT I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT THIS IS COMING FORWARD. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN AROUND AND THAT LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THIS IS REALLY NEEDED. SO I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THIS BE COMING FORWARD. UM, I'VE NEVER TOURED THE JAIL. UM, I'M NOT SURE AFTER EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD I REALLY WANT TO SO I, I KNOW THIS IS REALLY NEEDED. UM, I GUESS, I GUESS JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IS, I'D LOVE TO KNOW, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THIS NEXT MEETING, JUST WHAT THE ONGOING COST WOULD BE OF ADDING THE JAIL BACK, HOW MANY ADDITIONS OF STAFF AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, YEAH, MAYBE SOME MORE IDEAS ON WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT EVERYONE WHILE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON COS UM, DO WE TAKE IT ALL DOWN AT ONCE? UM, AND WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW FAR OUT CAN WE TAKE THAT DEBT? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE, THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. YEAH, WE'LL HAVE AS ALL SEE. YEAH, I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT COS AS OPPOSED TO GOS AND SO EVERYBODY HAS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL THAT LOOKS LIKE TOO. SO, OKAY. CAN WE RENOVATE THIS PLACE? WELL THAT, AND LET THE POLICE MOVE IN HERE AND THEN WHEN THEIR BUILDING'S BUILT, THIS WOULD BE READY FOR THE PEOPLE FROM THE TOWN? I THINK SO. WILL THAT WORK TO HAVE THEM MOBILIZE HERE? WELL JUST SAVE THAT EXPENSE OF WHATEVER RELOCATING ME, RIGHT? I'M IN A BUILDING, I MEAN, FIX THIS ONE AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OFFICES YOU NEED, BUT, SO ONE OF THE CON FACILITY, ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD AT ONE TIME, AND YOU MAY BE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THIS PERMANENT POLICE STATION. ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD AT ONE TIME WAS TO DO THAT, IF WE WERE GONNA DO THAT, TO HAVE EVERYONE MOBILIZE HERE. BUT THAT WAS BEFORE WE USED THIS SPACE AND NOW THAT WE USE IT FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS AND WE ALREADY HAVE 12 OR SO STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE ALREADY OFFICE OUT OF HERE, THAT THAT JUST ISN'T ISN'T A REASONABLE ANYMORE. BUT AT THE TIME WHEN WE HAD COUNCIL MEETINGS AT THE TREE HOUSE AND THIS BUILDING WAS ESSENTIALLY EMPTY, THIS WAS KIND OF THE PERFECT PLACE TO MOBILIZE. BUT AS WE UTILIZE THE SPACE, IT JUST CREATES THOSE ISSUES. WE, YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. IF I COULD, BECAUSE I KNOW WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE POLICE STATION. MAYBE JUST GIVE A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON THE RENOVATIONS TO THE CONFERENCE CENTER. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. GOODBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YES. WE'RE NOT VOTING OR ANYTHING. THANK YOU. THANKS AMEE. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, SO THAT'S ALL FOR ITEM, UH, B FOR B, AND UH, FOR ITEM C, WE'RE GOING GO AND MEETING BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING FOR THE REGULAR MEETING TO START. SO, UM, SO WE'LL, UH, GO AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK FOR NOW AND THEN FIVE MINUTES WE'LL RECONVENE IN THE NEXT ROOM FOR A REGULAR MEETING. THANKS, EVERYBODY. LET HERE CAN I GET A, OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. IT IS 7:03 PM MAY 28TH. WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT OF THE COUNCIL WITH EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT. AND GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE ATTENDING. AND, UH, ITEM ONE, AS ALWAYS, WE'D LIKE TO START OUR MEETINGS WITH THE PLEDGE TO BOTH OF OUR FLAGS. SO IF YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THAT. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT SAINTS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE. SAFE UNDER GOD. ONE INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. MOVING RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. ITEM TWO A IS [a. City Manager's Announcements] CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCEMENTS. DAVID, THIS MAYOR, I HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS. I FIRST WANT TO GIVE A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF, UH, FOR THEIR EFFORTS MANAGING AND CLEANING UP THE STORMS FROM THIS MORNING. IT WAS A, A BIG JOB. IT REALLY TOOK EVERYONE ACROSS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. UH, ADDISON, LIKE MOST CITIES AROUND US, EXPERIENCE HIGH WINDS, WHICH RESULTED IN POWER OUTAGES AND DOWN TREES. OUR PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS TEAMS ARE WORKING HARD TO REMOVE DEBRIS AND ROADWAYS AND CLEAR THE PARKS. IN ORDER TO ALLOW OUR TEAMS TO FOCUS ON STORM CLEANUP CLEANUP, WE ARE DELAYING BULK TRASH PICKUP PLEA. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AS WE PRIORITIZE OUR STAFF EFFORTS. NEXT, WE KNOW THERE ARE STILL SOME RESIDENTS WITHOUT POWER. WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH ENCORE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO REPORT THAN THAT DAN, THAT THEIR CREWS ARE WORKING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO RESTORE SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. FINALLY, TASTE ADDISON IS THIS WEEKEND, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE OUT IN THE PARK, WAS ALSO IMPACTED BY THE STORMS QUITE A BIT AS THEY'VE BEEN SETTING UP THIS WEEK. [01:55:01] UM, BUT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING HARD TODAY TO GET EVERYTHING ROLLING AGAIN, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE VERY EXCITED FOR IT THIS WEEKEND, FRIDAY, MAY 31ST THROUGH SUNDAY, SUNDAY JUNE 2ND. THERE WAS A GREAT LINEUP OF EATS, BEETS AND ARTISTIC TREATS. LEARN MORE AND PURCHASE TICKETS@TASTEADDISONTEXAS.COM. AND WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF INTRODUCTIONS? NO STAFF INTRODUCTIONS TODAY. SO THAT'S IT, MAYOR. THANKS. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, DAVID. ON ITEM TWO B, ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT PRESERVATION OF LIFE AWARD, UH, THAT ITEM IS GOING TO BE POSTPONED TO A LATER MEETING. SO WE WILL [c. Recognize May 2024 as ALS Awareness Month] GO RIGHT ONTO ITEM TWO C, WHICH IS RECOGNIZED MAY, 2024 AS A LS AWARENESS MONTH. AND I HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO READ ON THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYBODY HERE WITH THAT ORGANIZATION, IF I'M CORRECT. OKAY, VERY GOOD. WE DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR THAT PROCLAMATION B PROCLAIMED BY THE MARITIME OF ADDISON, WHEREAS AMIO TR LATERAL SCLEROSIS, A LS KNOWN BY MANY AS LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE AS A PROGRESSIVE FATAL NEURODEGENERATIVE DISEASE IN WHICH A PERSON'S BRAIN LOSES CONNECTION WITH THE MUSCLES SLOWLY TAKING AWAY THEIR ABILITY TO WALK, TALK, EAT, AND EVENTUALLY BREATHE. AND WHEREAS EVERY 90 MINUTES SOMEONE IS DIAGNOSED WITH A LS AND SOMEONE PASSES AWAY FROM A LS. AND WHEREAS WE CELEBRATE THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ICE BUCKET CHALLENGE THROUGH A RENEWED COMMITMENT TO GALVANIZE PUBLIC AWARENESS AND SUPPORT, LEADING SUPPORT FUNDING LEADING TO SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN A LS RESEARCH. AND WHEREAS A LS AWARENESS MONTH INCREASES THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS OF PEOPLE WITH AL S'S DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES AND ACKNOWLEDGES THE TERRIBLE IMPACT THIS DISEASE HAS, NOT ONLY ON THE PERSON, BUT ON HIS OR HER FAMILY AND THE COMMUNITY, AND RECOGNIZES THE RESEARCH BEING DONE TO ERADICATE THIS DISEASE. NOW, THEREFORE, I BRUCE ARFS AND THE MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND ON BEHALF OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF MAY, 2024 AS A LS AWARENESS MONTH IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON IN RECOGNITION OF THE EFFORTS SUPPORTING A LS RESEARCH, ADVOCATING FOR INCREASED FUNDING, AND STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH THOSE AFFECTED BY THIS RELENTLESS DISEASE. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL GO ON TO [3. Public Comment. The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to Public Hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.] ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ITEMS THAT ARE EITHER ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES. AND IF YOU HAVE, HAVE NOT, UH, FILLED OUT A PUBLIC APPEARANCE CARD, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO DO SO. AND I DO HAVE ONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED FOR THIS ITEM AND I WILL CALL ON TYLER WRIGHT TO COME FORWARD FOR THAT. AND WHEN YOU WOULD, UH, GET HERE, IF YOU WOULD HIT THAT BUTTON TO TURN THE MICROPHONE ON AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. VERY GOOD. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF. MY NAME IS TYLER WRIGHT. I LIVE AT 15 7 2 5 ARTIST WAY, THAT'S ADDISON, TEXAS. UM, I'M COMING TO GET TODAY TO TALK ABOUT DART FUNDING. YOU GUYS MAY HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL, PERHAPS PASSED ROUND EMAIL OR TWO EMAILS. UH, I, I SENT ABOUT THE, UH, RECENT MULLING OVER ON THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL REGARDING CUTTING THE SALES TAX PERCENTAGE THAT GOES TO DART. UM, THAT CONCERNS ME GREATLY, NOT ONLY FOR DALLAS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. UH, BUT FOR DART'S OPERATIONS HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND IN ADDISON IN PARTICULAR, I KNOW EVERYONE'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE SILVER LINE, ESPECIALLY THE TOD, UH, TALKING WITH ALL MY TRANSIT NERD FRIENDS. THEY AGREE IT'S GONNA BE THE BEST ONE ON THE LINE. UM, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT POTENTIAL IS REALIZED THROUGH FULL FUNDING OF DART. ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF CUTTING IS THAT OTHER CITIES WOULD FOLLOW SUIT AND A MAJOR LOSS OF DART FUNDING WOULD REDUCE SERVICE TO ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, WHICH I HAD THE PLEASURE OF TALKING WITH MARLON, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN WILLSON THIS, THIS WEEKEND ABOUT IT. THE INTERMODAL TRANSFERS IS WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN GETTING RIDERSHIP TO THE SILVER LINE AND PROVIDING THAT, UM, VALUE PROPOSITION OF TAKING TRANSIT OVER, UH, TAKING A CAR. SO IF YOU HAVE REDUCED BUS SERVICE, YOU HAVE REDUCED INTERFACES WITH THE SILVER LINE AT CONVENIENT TIMES. SO YOU MAY ARRIVE AT THE STATION, MISS YOUR TRAIN BY A FEW SECONDS, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE AND MAYBE AN HOUR, OR YOU WAIT AN HOUR FOR THE TRAIN TO COME. THAT MEANS PEOPLE WON'T TAKE IT. MAYBE I WILL IF I HAVE EXTRA TIME AND I'M BORED. BUT TO, TO GET THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OUT, YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT CONVENIENT AND THAT REQUIRES FULL FUNDING. SO IN ADDITION TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN OUR OFFICES, BUSINESSES, AND STORES HERE IN ADDISON, MANY OF THEM DO TAKE DARK. THE CURRENT TRANSIT CENTER AT ADDISON IS ONE OF THE BUSIEST ON IN THE SYSTEM. SO IT IS BEING UTILIZED BY PEOPLE HERE EVERY DAY, INCLUDING MYSELF. UM, SO ALL THAT TO SAY, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THAT MOTION PROGRESSES THROUGH DALLAS CITY COUNCIL AND STAY VIGILANT ON [02:00:01] VOICING OUR SUPPORT FOR DART ACROSS ALL MEMBER CITIES. UM, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THE COUNCIL CAN, CAN, CAN DO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST A MOTION, MAYBE IT'S JUST A PROCLAMATION. UH, I HAD ASKED THAT THEY CONSIDER DOING SO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TYLER. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER [4. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] FOUR, THE CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT INCLUDES ITEMS FOUR A THROUGH 4G. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS NEED TO BE PULLED OR IS THERE A MOTION? A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA? SECOND. THANK YOU DARREN AND NANCY WITH THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. ITEM NUMBER FIVE GOING TO BE PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. FIRST WILL BE ITEM [a. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) for property located at 14941 Midway Road, that is currently zoned Planned Development (PD), through Ordinance No. 091-066, to allow a restaurant with the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption. Case 1908-SUP/14941 Midway Road (Rodeo Goat).] FIVE A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SUP FOR PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 1 4 9 4 1 MIDWAY ROAD THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD THROUGH ORDINANCE NUMBER 0 9 1 DASH 0 6 6 TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT WITH THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR ON-PREMISES CONSUMPTION CASE 1908 DASH SU SLASH 19 1 4 9 4 1 MIDWAY ROAD, RODEO GOAT, LESLIE. GOOD EVENING, LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UH, CAN YOU ADVANCE THE SLIDE? ALL RIGHT. THIS, UH, REQUEST IS LOCATED AT 14,941 MIDWAY ROAD. UH, THIS IS AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MIDWAY ROAD AND BELTWAY DRIVE. UH, THIS REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO USE, UH, THE SITE FOR A RESTAURANT WITH THE SALE OF ALCOHOL. UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS ZONED, UH, TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN THE LATE SEVENTIES AND THEN ALSO AND REZONED AGAIN UNDER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS APPROVED FOR THE SAM'S CLUB PROJECT. AND IN 1992, RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE, UH, FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR THE SPRING CREEK BARBECUE, WHICH WAS THE FORMER RESTAURANT THAT OCCUPIED THE SITE. AND THIS EVENING, UH, THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO MAKE SOME SITE AMENDMENTS TO, UH, CONTINUE TO USE THE SITE FOR A RESTAURANT WITH THE SALE OF ALCOHOL. SO THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS JUST OVER 6,000 SQUARE FEET. UH, THE CONCEPT RODEO GOAT, WHICH IS A, UH, BURGER RESTAURANT AND BAR PROPOSES TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING. THEY ALSO ARE PROPOSING TO ADD A PATIO, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO MIDWAY ROAD AT THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 1700 SQUARE FEET. UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE SEATING AT INTERIOR, UH, FOR 234 GUESTS AND, UH, 86 GUESTS ON THE PATIO. UH, THEY DO PROPOSE TO HAVE THE SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR ON-PREMISES CONSUMPTION, AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE 11:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND THEN THEY WOULD REMAIN OPEN AN ADDITIONAL HOUR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. UH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGARDING, UH, LIVE MUSIC AND THERE IS NO INTENT THAT THERE WOULD BE LIVE MUSIC. HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE SOME OUTDOOR SPEAKERS. HOWEVER, IT WAS NOTED THAT IT WAS KEPT AT A VERY REASONABLE VOLUME AS THAT'S NOT, UH, THE ATMOSPHERE THAT'S, UM, PORTRAYED AT RODEO GOAT FOR THIS SITE. THERE WERE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS FOR PARKING, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE MIDWAY ROAD FRONTAGE. THIS WAS NECESSARY DUE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION FOR THE MIDWAY ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WHICH MADE THE SPACES THAT, UH, FRONTED ON THAT PROPERTY BOUNDARY LINE TO SHORT AND DIDN'T MEET THE DEPTH REQUIREMENTS. SO THOSE WERE CONVERTED TO A PARALLEL SPACES. UH, THEY DO PROVIDE 102 PARKING SPACES ON SITE, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. AND, UH, GIVEN THE, UH, ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT OF TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO INSTALLING THREE BICYCLE RACKS. UH, AT THE, UM, SOUTHWEST QUARTER OF THE, OF THE BUILDING, BUILDING FOR THE OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING. THE APPLICANT IS, UH, PROVIDING NEW SHRUBS, PERENNIAL GROUND COVER AND OTHER ORNAMENTAL GRASSES THROUGHOUT. UH, THIS SITE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR MANY YEARS AND SO WE'RE SEEING THAT, UH, THERE HAS BEEN A, UH, LACK OF MAINTENANCE, SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE RESOLVED, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED WITH THIS REQUEST. UH, THERE ARE ALSO SOME NEW, UM, ORNAMENTAL GRASSES AND TREES SURROUNDING THE PATIO SPACE AS WELL TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SHAPE. AND THEN ONE OTHER ITEM THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THIS APPLICATION [02:05:01] IS THAT THERE ARE THREE EXISTING TREES ON SITE THAT, UH, ARE UNHEALTHY AND NEED REPLACED. SO THE APPLICANT WILL MITIGATE THOSE TREES WITH SIX AND EIGHT CALIPER INCH TREES ON SITE AND FULL MITIGATION WILL BE PROVIDED. UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS ONE TREE THAT'S ON TOWN PROPERTY THAT THE APPLICANT IS ALSO, UM, THEY'RE ALSO MITIGATING WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS ON THE EAST, EXCUSE ME, THE WEST PROPERTY BOUNDARY. I'LL ALSO ADD THAT WITH THE MIDWAY ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, THE LANDSCAPING ALONG MIDWAY ROAD WILL ALSO BE, UH, INSTALLED BY THE TOWN. THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF THE BUILDING WILL LARGELY REMAIN AS IT IS TODAY. UH, THERE WILL BE A NEW, UM, PERGOLA CONSTRUCTED ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, UNDER WHICH WILL COVER THE PATIO. UM, IT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF STEEL. THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME MASONRY COLUMNS TO SUPPORT, UH, PERIMETER FENCING AS WELL. AND THE ONE THING IS THERE WILL BE SOME, THE FACADE WILL BE PAINTED TO GO GET IN THE THEME OF THE RODEO GOAT BRAND. UH, HERE'S A COLORED RENDERING OF WHAT THE MIDWAY ROAD FACADE WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS ITEM WAS NOTICED ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE, WHICH INCLUDED 30 RECIPIENTS. UH, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THIS REQUEST. UM, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH TWO CONDITIONS. UH, STAFF BELIEVES THIS SITE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SOME TIME, AND REINVESTMENT AND ACTIVATION OF THE SITE WILL HELP US MITIGATE ANY, UM, ONGOING CODE OR MAINTENANCE VIOLATIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING. SO THE TWO, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING IS THAT THERE SHALL BE NO TERMS OR GRAPHIC DEPICTIONS OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON EXTERIOR SIDING AND THAT THE PREVIOUS SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM 1992, WHICH ALLOWED SPRING CREEK BARBECUE SHALL BE REPEALED. UM, I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PRESENT. THANK YOU. LESLIE, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A, A PRESENTATION OR JUST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? I BELIEVE THEY'RE JUST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE. MAYOR, I'VE, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION IF I COULD. LESLIE DID ON THE, ON THE PARKING ALONGSIDE OF, UH, MIDWAY ROAD, UM, IS THERE ROOM AND IF THERE IS ROOM, DID WE CONSIDER, UH, LOOK AT 45 DEGREE PARKING? WE DID AND THE, UM, THE EXISTING FIRE LANE AT THAT LOCATION IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD NOT ACCOMMODATE THE ANGLED PARKING, SO WE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING. THANK YOU. IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, WHAT'S THE ANTICIPATED OPENING DATE? I WILL, UH, DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT, BUT I'VE HEARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. LOVE RADIO GOAT. THANK YOU . NANCY? UH, YES. YOU MENTIONED, UM, I THINK IT WAS THREE TREES ON THE, UM, ON THE SITE THAT WILL BE, UM, MITIGATED WITH SIX AND EIGHT INCH, UM, CALIBER. UH, IS THAT THE SAME FOR THE ADDITIONAL TREE THAT'S ON TOWN PROPERTY? WHAT WILL, WHAT WILL THAT BE? I BELIEVE THE TOWN PROPERTY WILL BE A FOUR CALIPER INCH TREE. OKAY. AND WHY IS THAT? UH, SO THIS WAS AN ADDITIONAL MITIGATION EFFORT THAT THE TOWN REQUESTED AND THE APPLICANT COMPLIED WITH, UM, SINCE IT IS, IT IS BEING COUNTED TOWARDS THEIR, UM, LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT, BUT IT IS ON TOWN PROPERTY. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU NANCY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHRIS COMMENT, UM, HAPPY TO SEE RODEO GOAT'S INTEREST IN OUR TOWN. UM, LOVE TO SEE ANOTHER PATIO AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT SEEING, UM, THE BIKE RACKS AND I HOPE WE SEE MORE OF THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS THE APPLICANT'S IDEA OR STAFF'S IDEA, BUT I HOPE WE SEE MORE OF THAT. IT'S WALKING DISTANCE FROM YOUR HOUSE TOO, RIGHT? . ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THIS IS A, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM CAN COME FORWARD AND DO THAT. DO SO AT THIS TIME. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. A MOTION TO PASS. THANK YOU DAN. I'LL SECOND. AND CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. ITEM FIVE A IS APPROVED. LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING RODEO GOAT IN ADDISON. VERY NICE. ITEM FIVE B, [b. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to amend the permitted uses and development plans for Planned Development (PD) Ordinance No. O23-39, for a 0.57± acre property located at 4900 Arapaho Road, to allow automobile storage, within a 5-story mixed-use building. Case 1912-Z/4900 Arapaho Road (One Addison Place PD Amendment II). ] HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PERMITTED USES AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD. ORDINANCE NUMBER OH TWO THREE DASH THREE NINE FOR A 0.57 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4,900 ARAPAHOE ROAD TO ALLOW AUTOMOBILE [02:10:01] STORAGE WITHIN A FIVE STORY MIXED USE BUILDING CASE 1912 DASH Z SLASH 4,900 ARAPAHOE ROAD ONE ADDISON PLACE, PD AMENDMENT TWO, LESLIE LESLIE KNIFE, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UH, THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT AT 4,900 ARAPAHOE ROAD, UH, FOR A BUILDING THAT'S, UH, RE REFERRED TO AS ONE ADDISON PLACE OR THE BAUMAN BUILDING. UH, THIS SPECIFICALLY MODIFIES THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS PROJECT, UM, FIRST, UH, CAME UP IN 2020 WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW A FIVE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING. UH, IT HAS WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF PD REQUESTS. UH, IN LAST FALL THERE WAS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT REQUEST TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL AS A PERMITTED USES AS A PERMITTED USE ON THE FIFTH FLOOR. AND THEN THIS EVENING THERE IS ANOTHER, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT TO MODIFY THE USES AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO WITH THIS REQUEST, THERE IS, UH, A DESIRE TO USE THE SECOND FLOOR AS FOR RARE VEHICLE STORAGE. UM, THIS BUILDING WAS QUITE UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2020, IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED FOR THE SECOND FLOOR TO BE CONVERTED INTO A PARKING GARAGE, DEPENDING UPON THE INTENSITY OF THE USES ON THE SECOND TO FIFTH, EXCUSE ME, THE THIRD TO FIFTH FLOORS. UH, SO IF THERE WAS USES THAT WERE ON, THAT WERE PRESENT AT THE SITE, UH, WITHIN THE THIRD, FOURTH OR FIFTH FLOORS THAT REQUIRED A HIGHER PARKING DEMAND, THAT SECOND FLOOR COULD BE CONVERTED TO A PARKING, ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE NOT SPILLING PARKING ONTO ARAPAHOE ROAD OR ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UH, SO THAT MAKES THE ABILITY TO USE THE SECOND FLOOR FOR INDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE. UM, A BIT MORE SIMPLE THAN THAN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES. SO THE OTHER USES WITHIN THE BUILDING ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE. SO THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD STILL BE USED, UH, AS, UH, GROUND FLOOR PARKING GARAGE OR LIKE TUCK UNDER PARKING. THE SECOND FLOOR IS INTENDED TO BE USED FOR INDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE WITH THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS USED FOR RETAIL AND OR OFFICE, UH, SPACE. AND THEN THE FIFTH FLOOR IS A RESIDENTIAL IS A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SO THE, HOW THIS IS INTENDED TO OPERATE IS THERE WOULD BE A, UH, A LEASE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ALLOW STORAGE OF THE VEHICLE, AND IT WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC VIEWING. IT WOULD ONLY BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THOSE THAT, UH, USE THE SPACE TO STORE THEIR VEHICLE. IT IS ALSO INTENDED THAT THIS IS, UH, FOR MORE RARE HIGH VALUE VEHICLES, UH, THAT ARE NOT DRIVEN AS FREQUENTLY. I'LL ALSO ADD THAT THE WAY THAT THE SECOND FLOOR IS ACCESSED IS THROUGH A CARGO LIFT. UH, SO, AND YOU SEE THAT, UH, ON THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THE, UH, FLOOR PLAN, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE STAIRWELL. SO THAT'S HOW VEHICLES ARE, UH, TRANSPORTED TO THE SECOND FLOOR. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS, UH, STILL FINALIZING IT, BUT WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, STORE APPROXIMATELY 26 TO 28 VEHICLES ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO, UH, WITH THIS, FOR THE PARKING, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE USES, ITS STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE PARKING DEMAND WOULD ACTUALLY DECREASE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT USING THE SECOND FLOOR FOR RARE VEHICLE STORAGE AS OPPOSED TO OFFICE OR RETAIL OR OTHER SIMILAR USES. UH, SO STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE EXISTING PARKING PROVIDED ON SITE OF 46 WOULD, UM, ACCOMMODATE ALL THE PROPOSED USES AND THERE ARE NO PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. SO IT'LL STILL, UH, LOOK AS HOW IT WAS APPROVED. UH, LAST FALL IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, THERE ARE SOME MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED TO THE OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE XERO SCAPING MA METHODS, WHICH PR UH, INCREASE THE DURABILITY AND RE REDUCE WATER USE, AS WELL AS MAINTAIN A MORE CONSISTENT AESTHETIC THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE YEAR AS WE SEE, UM, VERY WARM SUMMER MONTHS. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS AND DETERMINED THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE USING SOME, UM, METHODS THAT WE DON'T SEE AS OFTEN IN ADDISON, THEY STILL MEET OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS 20% OPEN SPACE, AND THAT'S DEFINED AS LIVING MATERIAL. SO THEY'RE JUST PLANTING, UM, MORE PLANTS. UM, BUT USING SOME OF THE SURFACE MATERIAL, UH, AS, UM, LIKE DECOMPOSED GRANITE OR OTHER HARD MATERIALS AS OPPOSED TO USING SOD STAFF DID NOTIFY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 [02:15:01] FEET OF THE SITE, WHICH INCLUDED 10 RECIPIENTS. UH, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES. AND, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THIS STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. AND THAT'S THAT A MECHANICAL VENTILATION SHALL BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH BUILDING CODES FOR THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, AND THE ALL INDOOR AUTOMOBILE STORAGE MUST BE FULLY SCREENED WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. NO OUTDOOR STORAGE IS PERMITTED AND THAT THE, UM, INDOOR STORAGE OF AUTOMOBILE SHALL BE LIMITED TO, UM, 8,854 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT'S ALSO PRESENT. THANK YOU. LESLIE, ANY QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE? I HAVE A QUESTION JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY. UH, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT, WHAT IS, UM, PARDON MY IGNORANCE IS ZERO ESCAPING. WHAT IS THAT? YEAH, SO THAT'S A, A METHOD OF LANDSCAPE OR UM, LIKE A METHOD OF LANDSCAPE DESIGN. SO TYPICALLY YOU SEE, UM, THINGS LIKE CACTI USED OR OTHER VERY HARDY MATERIALS. AND, UH, COMMONLY THEY USE LIKE INSTEAD OF, UH, A LAWN, THEY'LL USE LIKE VARIOUS LIKE ROCKS OR DECOMPOSED GRANITE AS THE SURFACE MATERIAL. JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE, UM, THE MAINTENANCE ISN'T AS SIGNIFICANT, BUT ALSO MAINTAINS A VERY CONSISTENT AESTHETIC. OKAY. UM, AND CHANGING THE PURPOSE OF THE SECOND FLOOR TO A KIND OF A LONGER TERM CAR STORAGE, UH, DOES THAT CHANGE, UH, FIRE REQUIREMENTS? SO THE ONLY MAJOR, SO SINCE IT WAS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED, AS I MENTIONED, TO BE EASILY USED OR CONVERTED TO A, A SECOND FLOOR PARKING GARAGE, UM, THERE ARE THE, THE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED IN A WAY THAT WILL ALLOW IT TO VERY EASILY BE CONVERTED. THE ONLY THING THAT'S, UM, MAY NEED TO BE REVIEWED IS THE MECHANICAL VENTILATION, WHICH IS WHY I MENTIONED IT ON THE CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT IS VERY AWARE THAT THAT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT UP WITH THEM. UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. ? UH, I'M NOT FOR SURE. THIS QUESTION MAY BE FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT HAVING TO DO WITH ACCESS TO THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, SO YOU SAID THAT IT'S NOT PUBLIC WON'T BE ABLE, UM, WILL, WILL THE LESSEE ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GO TO THE FLOOR AND REMOVE THEIR CAR OR WILL THAT PROCESS BE HANDLED BY SOMEONE ELSE? THEY WILL COME IN AND ASK FOR THEIR CAR AND MAYBE, UM, MAYBE, UM, SOMEBODY PROVIDED, PROVIDED BY THE BUILDING WOULD BRING THAT VEHICLE. IN OTHER WORDS, WHO ACTUALLY IS GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE FLOOR? UM, I'LL DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS HOW THEY ENVISION THE OPERATIONAL OKAY. ASPECTS OF IT THAT WORKING. THANK YOU. DID DID YOU SAY, OH, I'M SORRY. OH, GO AHEAD. I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THE QUESTION. MR. BAUMAN, YOU WANNA HIT THAT BUTTON TO TURN THAT MICROPHONE ON? PERFECT. YES. AND IF YOU WOULD, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. BOB BAUMAN, 48 0 1 ARAPAHOE ROAD, ADDISON 7 5 0 0 1. UM, NONE OF THE CARS WILL EVER BE STARTED IN THE BUILDING. THE CARS WILL ALWAYS BE, UH, TRANSPORTED BY DOLLYS. UM, THERE'LL BE NO ELECTRIC CARS STORED IN THE BUILDING FOR FIRE HAZARDS. YOU DIDN'T ASK THAT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT. AND IF THE CUSTOMER WANTS THEIR CAR, WE WILL OURSELVES MOVE THE CAR DOWN TO THE GARAGE WHERE THEY CAN PICK IT UP. OKAY. THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO YOU, YOU ANSWERED IT. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. VERY EXCITED. WE'RE JUST READY TO BE IN IT. SO MY QUESTION WAS, DID YOU SAY THE TOP FLOOR WAS A RESIDENCE FOR ONE PERSON? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED IN THE ZONING, IS A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE FIFTH FLOOR. WOULD THAT BE YOU? YES, . IT'S NOT FOR ONE PERSON. IT'S FOR ONE FAMILY. ONE FAMILY. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. IT'S NOT MULTIPLE MULTI-FAMILY. I THINK YOU HAVE TO CALL MY WIFE AND TELL HER THAT. SORRY HONEY, IT'S JUST ME. . OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU HOWARD. AND THEN, AND BOB, MAYBE FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T HEARD THE, THE REASONING, HOW, HOW DID YOU ENVISION THIS TO COME INTO, INTO PLAY IN YOUR, UH, IN YOUR NEW BUILDING? UM, DO YOU WANNA TELL THAT STORY AT ALL? UM, WELL I JUST, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHICH PART OF IT YOU WANT ME TO TELL , BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, CARS ARE A BIG THING NOWADAYS AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF [02:20:01] HALF A MILLION MILLION, TWO, $3 MILLION CARS OUT THERE. AND SO WE DECIDED TO MAKE IT A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD STORE THOSE CARS. IT WILL ONLY BE OPEN TO THE MEMBERS. IT WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THERE IS NO NAME. IT'S STRICTLY 4,900. THERE'LL BE NO WEBSITE, NOTHING. 'CAUSE IT'LL BE VERY PRIVATE FOR THE OWNERS. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT ME TO TELL? THAT'S PERFECT. VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU BOB. THANK YOU. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. AND SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THIS ITEM. THANK YOU, MARLON. SECOND. SECOND FROM NANCY. AND IS IT APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF? RIGHT. VERY GOOD. AND, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE B IS APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS MR. BAUMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM [c. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request to amend the concept plan established by Planned Development (PD) Ordinance No. O07-034 and amended by PD Ordinance No. O16-017, for a 15.173± acre property generally located at the terminus of Ponte Avenue, south of Vitruvian Park and west of Bella Lane, to allow for the future development of a phased multifamily development comprised of 1,144 multifamily dwelling units and associated amenities. Case 1904-Z/Vitruvian, Block 300 Amendment (Vitruvian, Block 300). ] FIVE C, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE CONCEPT PLAN ESTABLISHED BY PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD. ORDINANCE NUMBER O ZERO SEVEN DASH 0 3 4 AND AMENDED BY PD ORDINANCE NUMBER OH 16 SEVEN FOR A 15.173 ACRE PROPERTY. GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE TERMINUS OF PONTE AVENUE SOUTH OF VI TRIVIAN PARK AND WEST OF BELLA LANE TO ALLOW FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF A PHASE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF 1,144 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND ASSOCIATED AMENITIES CASE 1904 DASH Z SLASH VITRUVIAN BLOCK 300 AMENDMENT VITRUVIAN BLOCK 300, LESLIE LESLIE, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UM, I'LL JUST MAKE A QUICK NOTE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO DALLAS BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER EVENT. SO THEY ARE, UH, ATTENDING VIA ZOOM THIS EVENING. UH, BUT THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A, UH, PD AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR VITRUVIAN PARK BLOCK 300. THIS INCLUDES THREE BLOCKS, WHICH IS, UH, 3 0 1, 3 0 2, AND 3 0 3. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES AND IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, UM, OF THE VITRUVIAN PARK DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS, UH, PROJECT WAS FIRST ACQUIRED BY UDR IN 2007 AND THEY REZONED 99 ACRES, UH, INTO A, A LONG-TERM MASTER PLAN FOR, UH, THIS AREA. AND IT'S GONE THROUGH SEVERAL AMENDMENTS AS THEY'VE CONTINUED TO DEVELOP AND, AND MOVE THROUGH THAT LARGER CONCEPT PLANNED. UM, AND SO SOME OF THE MOST RECENT CONCEPT PLAN AMENDMENTS INCLUDE THE AMENDMENT IN 2021 TO ALLOW THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT VILLAS AT FIORE, UH, WHICH APPROVED, UH, APPROXIMATELY 81 TOWN HOMES IN BLOCK TWO 17. AND THEN THIS EVENING, THEY'RE ONCE AGAIN COMING BACK FOR, UH, A MINOR CHANGE TO THE CONCEPT PLAN WITHIN BLOCK 300. SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER OF EACH OF THESE PLANS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WAS THE, IS THE EXISTING, UH, CONCEPT PLAN, UH, FROM 2021. AND THEN THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN IS ON THE RIGHT. UH, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S JUST SOME MINOR SHIFTS IN THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND THEY HAVE ALSO SEPARATED OUT THE AMENITY CENTER TO BE A FREESTANDING BUILDING. SOME OTHER CHANGES YOU'LL SEE IS THE ROUNDABOUT WAS REMOVED AT THE TERMINUS OF PONTE AVENUE AND THEY'VE PUT IN, UM, UH, A MORE STANDARD T CONNECTION OR INTERSECTION, UH, AT, AT THE END OF THAT, UH, OF THE TERMINUS OF PONTE AND THEN CONNECTING BACK UP TO, TO BELLA LANE AS WELL, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE. SO GETTING, GIVING A CLOSER LOOK. YOU SEE, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THAT HAVE BEEN ENHANCED, UH, AND SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHT THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE VARIOUS MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS. UH, ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS WERE, ARE CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR MULTIFAMILY. UH, AND SO THEN THEY'RE PROPOSED TO REMAIN AS MULTIFAMILY AS WELL. THEY'RE JUST FURTHERING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND SO THEY'RE, UH, FINE TUNING THESE PLANS AS THEY PROCEED. SO LOOKING AT THE UNIT SPLIT, UH, YOU SEE ON THE TOP THE EXISTING, UH, UNITS WHICH ARE APPROVED INCLUDES, UH, 1,144. THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING TO MODIFY THAT TOTAL UNIT COUNT. THEY'RE JUST SHIFTING. THE UNIT COUNTS AROUND BASED UPON THE THREE BUILDINGS WHICH ARE PROPOSED. HERE IS A CONCEPTUAL RENDERING BASED UPON THE CONCEPT PLAN, UH, THE FINAL DESIGN [02:25:01] AND, UM, THE FINAL DESIGN AND AESTHETIC WILL BE APPROVED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL PRO PROCESS, WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP AFTER THEY RECEIVE, UH, ENTITLEMENTS VIA THE CONCEPT PLAN. SO THERE ARE NO MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED TO THE, UM, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PERMITTED USES OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, NOR IS IT INCREASING THE UNIT COUNT. UH, THE NEXT STEP, UH, IF THIS ITEM IS APPROVED IN THE FUTURE, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE SITE PLANS, LANDSCAPE PLANS, FACADE PLANS, SO FORTH, AND BRING THEM BACK, UH, FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY, UH, BUILDING PERMITS. STAFF DID NOTIF NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE AND ALSO THE CARROLLTON FARMERS BRANCH INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. SINCE THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THIS SIX, UH, WITH SIX VOTES, UH, WITH ONE ABSTENTION DUE TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE. VERY GOOD. QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE. HOWARD, YOU SAID YOU SENT OUT NOTICES. DID ANYBODY RESPOND? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES. NO. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT, UH, FROM NANCY, WE HAVE THE MOTION AND A SECOND FROM MARLON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE C IS APPROVED. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, ITEM [d. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a subdivision variance to install a new overhead electric power pole and supported electric utility infrastructure immediately south of the common property boundary of the Greenhill School campus (4141 Spring Valley Road), 4090 Juliard Drive, and 14604 Vintage Lane, in order to provide electric service to the newly constructed Valdes Stem + Innovation Center on the Greenhill School campus. Case SV2024-01/Greenhill School Subdivision Variance.] FIVE D HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR SUBDIVISION VARIANCE TO INSTALL A NEW OVERHEAD ELECTRIC POWER POLE AND SUPPORTED ELECTRIC UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE COMMON PROPERTY BOUNDARY OF THE GREENHILL SCHOOL CAMPUS. 41 41 SPRING VALLEY ROAD, 40 90 JULLIARD DRIVE AND 1 4 6 0 4 VINTAGE LANE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ELECTRIC SERVICE TO THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED VALS STEM PLUS INNOVATION CENTER ON THE GREENHILL SCHOOL CAMPUS CASE, SV 2024 DASH ZERO ONE SLASH GREENHILL SCHOOL, SUBDIVISION VARIANCE, LESLIE LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UH, THIS REQUEST IS, UH, FOR A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE TO ALLOW A, UH, ELECTRICAL SERVICE UTILITY POLE, UH, GENERALLY ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE OF GREENHILL SCHOOL. THIS ITEM WAS, UH, PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE MARCH 26TH, 2024 MEETING. UH, THE, UH, THAT PROPOSAL AT THAT TIME WAS REJECTED AND THE APPLICANT SINCE THAT TIME, HAS CONDUCTED FURTHER FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND IS BACK TO PRESENT, UH, THE FINDINGS OF, OF THOSE FEASIBILITY STUDIES. SO, UH, THIS IS COMING BEFORE THE TOWN FOLLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A, THE VALDA STEM INNOVATION CENTER BUILDING FOR GREENHILL SCHOOL THAT WAS APPROVED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021 VIA SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS. UH, DURING THAT TIME, IT WAS, UM, IDENTIFIED, UH, THAT TEMPORARY UTILITY POOL WAS CONSTRUCTED AND, UH, IT WAS THEN DETERMINED THAT IT WAS THE INTENT THAT THAT BECOME A PERMANENT UTILITY POOL. UH, STAFF DID NOTIFY, UH, ALL AFFECTED PARTIES, UH, THAT THIS WAS A NOTICE OR VIA A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, THAT THIS WAS A VIOLATION OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. AND, UH, A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED. AS I MENTIONED, THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN MARCH BY THE COUNCIL. AND, UH, SINCE THAT TIME APPROXIMATELY, THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN OCCUPYING THE STEM BUILDING VIA A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UH, WHICH IS SET TO EXPIRE, UH, IN A COUPLE DAYS ON MARCH 31ST. THIS REQUEST NOW, OR THIS EVENING, IS COMING BACK TO PROVIDE THE RESULTS OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS FOR THAT PERMANENT UTILITY POLL. AS I MENTIONED, UH, THIS IS A VIOLATE THE PROPOSAL OF A, UM, ELECTRICAL UTILITY LATERAL AND SERVICE LINE. UH, ABOVE GROUND IS A VIOLATION OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AS IT IS REQUIRED TO BE UNDERGROUND. AND IT ALSO, IT GOES ON TO ALLOW A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE REQUEST TO BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL IF THERE ARE, UH, UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP WHICH EXIST. THERE [02:30:01] WERE THREE SITES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED TO FOR FEASIBILITY STUDIES. THOSE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS OPTIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. OPTION ONE IS, UH, THE LOCATION WHICH IS BEING RECOMMENDED THIS EVENING. IT'S ALSO, UH, GENERALLY THE SAME LOCATION THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE MARCH 26TH MEETING. UM, OPTIONS TWO AND OPTIONS THREE ARE NEW LOCATIONS THAT WERE REVIEWED FOR FEASIBILITY AND, UH, SHOWN IN RED IN THIS IMAGE THERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING UTILITY POLE. UM, SO LOOKING THROUGH, UH, JUST BRIEFLY THE REASONS WHY THE OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE WERE NOT CONSIDERED, UH, OR NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS POINT WAS OPTION TWO, THERE WAS SOME, UH, RESISTANCE FROM ADJACENT NEIGHBORS REGARDING, UH, ITS LOCATION, UM, MORE CENTRAL TO THE BUILDING OF THE TOWN HOME, THE TOWN HOME BUILDING. AND THEN OPTION THREE WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF UTILITY CONFLICTS WHICH EXIST AND ALSO DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING TRANSFORMER SITE, THE UNDERGROUND DISTANCE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THREE TIMES THE DISTANCE OF THE OPTION ONE LOCATION MAKING THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN THE OTHER TWO PROPOSED LOCATIONS. UM, OPTION THREE ALSO HAS, UH, DOES NOT ALLOW THE USE OF ANY EXISTING CONDUIT LINE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY, WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, NOT USE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND REBUILD NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE PROPOSED COMPLIANCE PLAN, WHICH THIS IS OPTION ONE AS AS PREVIOUSLY SHOWN, WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE NON-COMPLIANT EXISTING TEMPORARY POLE AND OVERHEAD LINE AND INSTALL A NEW POWER POOL AT THE GENERAL, LIKE THE COMMON PROPERTY BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN THE TOWN HOME AND ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, UH, NORTH OF HORNET ROAD. AND THEN UNDERGROUND THE ASSOCIATE, OR EXCUSE ME, YEAH, UNDERGROUND THE ELECTRICAL LINE AND CONNECT INTO THE ONSITE TRANSFORMER, WHICH IS AT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE OF HORNET ROAD. SOME VISUALS FOR WHERE THIS IS LOCATED. SO OPTION ONE IS SHOWN IN THE LIGHT GREEN ON THE FAR LEFT, YOU HAVE OPTION TWO IN THE DARKER GREEN. THE EXISTING POWER POOL TO BE REMOVED IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IN THE IMAGE AND YOU HAVE THE BLUE ON THE RIGHT HAND IMAGE BEING OPTION THREE, UH, WHICH IS GENERALLY, UM, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING TREE. SO ONCE AGAIN, THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION ONE AS THE, UH, RECOMMENDED LOCATION FOR THIS POWER POLE. HERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL LINE OF SIGHT VISUAL SHOWING LOCATE THE LOCATIONS, THE VARIOUS OPTIONS, AND THE LINE OF SIGHT TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UH, THE APPLICANT DID TRY TO CHOOSE FEASIBILITY SITES, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN MIND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE NOT, UM, PURSUING LOCATIONS THAT CREATED SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS. SOME ADDITIONAL MERITS OF THIS SUBDIVISION VARIANCE. UH, AS I MENTIONED, IT DOES REQUIRE UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP TO, UH, SEEK OR TO OBTAIN APPROVAL FOR THIS REQUEST IS THAT, UH, THE ENCORE DID DETERMINE THAT THE NEAREST SERVICE WOULD BE OVER A THOUSAND FEET TO THE SOUTH OF THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT AND IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE THIS BUILDING OR THIS SITE, EXCUSE ME. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UH, THIS SOLUTION WOULD RELOCATE THE EXISTING TEMPORARY POWER POWER POOL OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL LINE OF SITE OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS OR RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTIES. AND IT WOULD ALSO NOT IMPACT ANY EXISTING TREES WITHIN THE VICINITY. STAFF DID NOTIFY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE, UH, WHICH INCLUDED 85 RECIPIENTS. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY FORMAL, UM, STATEMENTS IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION, UH, TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH, UH, TWO CONDITIONS AS IDENTIFIED. AND THAT IS THAT THE, UM, ALL THE EXISTING TEMPORARY POWER POLE BE REMOVED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE NECESSARY TO OCCUPY FOR THE FOLLOWING SCHOOL YEAR IN AUGUST. AND THAT ALL WORK ASSOCIATED WOULD BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO AUGUST 22ND, 2024 OR NO [02:35:01] CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY SHALL BE GRANTED TO THE SCHOOL. UH, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU LESLIE. QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE. NANCY, JUST QUICKLY, IF YOU COULD GO BACK ON OPTION THREE AND JUST, JUST GO BACK OVER THAT, THE HURDLES ON WHY THAT ONE DOESN'T WORK. YEAH, SO THERE ARE MANY UTILITY EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITY LINES WITHIN THE, UM, SORRY. SO WITHIN THE AREA THAT WOULD HAVE TO UNDERGROUND THAT LINE AND IT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO TRAVERSE A DISTANCE THAT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES GREATER THAN OPTIONS ONE AND TWO. SO FOR OPTIONS ONE AND TWO, THEY ESSENTIALLY WOULD JUST NEED TO BE UNDERGROUNDED, UM, ACROSS THE DISTANCE OF HORNET ROAD. AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONNECT UP TO EXISTING CONDUIT LINE TO BE THEN TRAVERSED TO THE, THE EXISTING TRANSFORMER, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HORNET ROAD. FOR OPTION THREE, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY CONDUIT IN THAT AREA, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO UNDERGROUND IT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE DISTANCE ALL THE WAY TO THE NEW TRANSFORMER AND NOT USE THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THEY HAVE ON SITE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S A 21 INCH STORM MAIN EXIST THAT EXISTS. THERE IS A DRAINAGE, UH, EASEMENT THAT EXISTS THAT'S, UH, PRIVATE ON FOR GREENHILL. THERE'S ALSO A SIX INCH WATER LINE IN THAT AREA. UH, AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, THE FIRE LANE, WHICH WOULD AFFECT ALL THREE OPTIONS. SO THERE'S SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE CONFLICTS AND, UH, THE, THE ONE THING WHICH AN ESTIMATE A COST ESTIMATE WAS NOT PROVIDED TO STAFF. HOWEVER, IT'S TYPICAL THAT, UM, THE DEEPER YOU HAVE TO BURY INFRASTRUCTURE, THE MORE COSTLY IT GETS. AND SO SINCE THERE'S EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, IT'S UM, IT'S EASY TO ASSUME THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO DEEPER AND IT WOULD BE MORE COSTLY, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO TRENCH EVEN A FURTHER DISTANCE, A MUCH GREATER DISTANCE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT TO REROUTE AROUND THOSE EXISTING, THAT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IS A HUGE JOB, A LARGE JOB. IT IS MUCH MORE COSTLY THAN THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS, UH, IN ITSELF. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ADDITION OF, IT'S A, A LONGER SPAN IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF FEET YOU HAVE TO TRAVERSE. OKAY, THANK YOU DAN. A QUESTION FOR YOU, LESLIE. SO IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, 85 PEOPLE WERE NOTIFIED IN THAT GENERAL AREA ON OPTION ONE AND NOBODY, NOBODY HAD A CONFLICT. YEAH. SO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE WERE SENT A LETTER NOTIFYING THEM OF, OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UH, STATEMENTS OF SUPPORT, STATEMENTS OF OP OPPOSITION POSITION OR EVEN STATEMENTS OF NEUTRALITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM. AND I DO HAVE ONE CITY COUNCIL APPEARANCE CARD FROM BARBARA NICHOLAS. SO I'LL ASK BARBARA TO COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. AND IF YOU WOULD HIT THE LITTLE BUTTON TO TURN THAT MIC ON AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. BARBARA NICHOLAS, 40 92 JULLIARD. AND THIS IS MY THIRD TIME APPEARING BEFORE YOU ON THIS ISSUE. UM, I DID NOT FORCE MY SUPPORT BECAUSE I WAS GONNA BE PRESENT TO, UM, VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR OPTION NUMBER ONE, UM, THAT THE LAST MEETING THEY WANTED TO EXPLORE SOME OPTIONS AND I KNOW IT'S GOING NEXT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S BOUNDARY LINE AND I WAS COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT. AND I WANT THE REASON I'M HERE AGAIN, 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'VE GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS ENOUGH TIMES, AND I DON'T NEED TO REHASH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, BUT THERE WAS ONE THING THAT WAS SAID IN THE LAST MEETING THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND THAT CONCERNED THE, YOU KNOW, ASSUMPTION THAT THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WANTS A UTILITY POLE BY THEIR HOUSE. UM, THAT MAY BE CORRECT, BUT THAT'S NOT MY ISSUE. I HAVE, MAY I APPROACH WITH, I HAVE A UTILITY POLE BY MY HOUSE. UM, THE, YOU HAVE THE IMAGE OF JUST SHOWN THE, A UTILITY POLE AS PRESENT. THERE IS A UTILITY POLE BY MY HOUSE AND MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE TO THE LEFT AT THE, BY THE BOUNDARY LINE. THE ISSUE WOULD HERE IS NOT, I DON'T WANT A UTILITY POLE BY MY HOUSE 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND I WANT ELECTRICITY, I MAY HAVE TO HAVE A UTILITY POLE NEARBY. THE ISSUE IS IT PUTS ANOTHER UTILITY POLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE [02:40:01] OF THE LINE SITE OF MY HOME, NOT AT THE BOUNDARY LINE WHERE IT'S LESS INTRUSIVE TO THE HOMEOWNERS. SO AS YOU COULD SEE FROM THOSE PICTURES, THERE'S A UTILITY LINE TO, UM, TO THE LEFT BY MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, BETWEEN BASICALLY BY THE BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND MY HOUSE. AND THEN THE OTHER BOUND, THE OTHER UTILITY POLE, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE TEMPORARY POLE, IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS BECOMES THE MAIN VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS HERE. IT'S NOT JUST THAT, OH, NOPE, I DON'T WANT TO UTILITY POLE BY MY HOUSE. OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE THE PREFERENCE FOR EVERYONE. BUT THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THEY, THERE, THERE ARE UTILITY POLES BY MY HOUSE, BUT THEY PUT ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LINE OF SIGHT IN PURE IN MY PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S THE MAIN ISSUE FOR ME AND WHY I SUPPORT, UM, OPTION NUMBER ONE. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, I UNDERSTAND I OPTION NUMBER THREE MIGHT BE MORE EXPENSIVE. I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE A PREFERENCE FOR THAT. SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, WHAT IS THE COST? WHAT IS THE COST DIFFERENCE? IS IT 20,000, IS IT 30,000, IS IT 5,000? SO THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, SOME IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOME INSIGHT ON. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU BARBARA. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? SURE, COME ON FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. UH, MY NAME IS ANG. I LIVE IN, UH, 1 4 6 0 4. RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO THE OPTION ONE, THE, THE SWIMMING POOL THERE. IT'S MY HOUSE, MY SWIMMING POOL. SO I, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT WHAT THE LADY ALREADY SAID. UM, THERE ARE ALREADY A, A POLES ALONG THAT LINE, BUT, UH, MY QUESTION IS, UH, IS THAT HOW FAR AWAY IS THE POLE GONNA BE INSTALLED? UH, FROM THE FENCE THAT WE WILL SHARE ALONG THE WAY AND, UH, IS THERE GONNA BE NOISE AND, UM, OTHER ISSUES? BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER ACTUALLY GOES TO GREENHILL AND SHE WALKS FROM THE FENCE DOOR TO SCHOOL. AND HOW LONG IS THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION IS IT GONNA TAKE? THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? SURE. COME FORWARD. HI THERE. UH, VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER, 2323 ROSS AVENUE IN DALLAS. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF GREENHILL. UH, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. AND MANY THANKS TO STAFF, UH, FOR THEIR HELP IN PATIENTS WHILE WE EXPLORED ALL OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US TO RELOCATE THE UTILITY POLE. UH, MS. SNIP HAD BIG SHOES TO FILL WITH KEN'S DEPARTURE AND SHE'S DONE AN ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT JOB, SO THANK YOU LESLIE. UM, STAFF'S PRESENTATION ADDRESSED THE MAIN ISSUES THAT WE EXPLORED SINCE SEEING YOU LAST AND, UH, WE HAVE MET WITH INTERESTED NEIGHBORS REGARDING THOSE OPTIONS. ULTIMATELY YES, WE'VE CONCLUDED THAT OPTION ONE IS THE MOST FEASIBLE OPTION, UH, IN SPEAKING WITH NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE ALSO COMMITTED TO PROVIDING SCREENING TO MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE RELOCATED UTILITY POLE, WHICH, UH, MS. EZ INDICATED WOULD BE A CONDITION OF THIS APPROVAL TO ADDRESS THE, UH, ABUTTING NEIGHBOR. SORRY, I DID NOT GET HIS NAME, BUT, UM, THE UTILITY POLE WILL BE LOCATED A AGAINST THE FENCE, BUT AGAIN, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE AMPLE ROOM FOR SCREENING, THERE WILL BE SOME SPACE FOR EITHER PLANTING MATERIALS OR, UM, ADDITIONAL FEATURES THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO SCREEN THAT UTILITY POLE. UH, AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION GOES, TIMING WISE, WE ARE TRYING TO GET THIS UP AND RUNNING ASAP SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE THE STUDENTS ONCE THE SCHOOL YEAR COMES AROUND. AND ULTIMATELY I'M JUST HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. SO I HOPE THAT YOU CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REQUEST AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAYOR, I'D LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION. UM, AS I SHARED IN THE LAST LAST MEETING, I'VE, I'VE LIVED IN TOWN HOMES OF ADDISON SINCE 1998, RIGHT? RIGHT. IN THE AFFECTED AREA. AND, UM, UM, BEEN WORKING REAL HARD TO, TO WORK WITH GREENHILL SCHOOL AND WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS AND, UM, TO TRY TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION. UM, AND I APPRECIATE OUR RESIDENTS PATIENTS AND, AND, AND I APPRECIATE GREENHILL SCHOOL, UH, REACHING OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS, CONNECTING WITH THEM, LISTENING TO THEM, TALKING TO THEM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST SOLUTION. AND, AND I THINK WE, UH, I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'VE COME, COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND, AND, UM, AND GREENHILL SCHOOL. AND SO, SO WHAT I'M GONNA RECOMMEND IS, IS OPTION. THE, THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS, WE'VE ALREADY GOT, WE'VE ALREADY GOT POWER POLES AND AND LINES ALREADY THERE. WE'VE ALL, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER ONE. UM, AND THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU HAVE THAT WITHOUT A BUFFER, THEN, THEN YOU GOT, THAT'S THE [02:45:01] BIG PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. SO, SO WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS, IS WE GO WITH THE OPTION NUMBER ONE, UM, WITH THE CONDITION STAFF IS RECOMMENDED, BUT WE, WE ALSO ADD, UM, THREE TREES TO BE INSTALLED TO PROVIDE, UH, VISUAL SCREENING FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND I BELIEVE IF WE DO THAT, THEN, THEN WE, WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TO THE BEST OF, OF, OF THE PARTIES THAT I JUST MENTIONED. AND WHO WOULD INSTALL THOSE TREES? UH, GREENHILL SCHOOL. OKAY. AT THEIR EXPENSE? CORRECT. AND DO YOU HAVE SPECIFICITY ON THE TREES OR, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO BE THAT SPECIFIC WITH GREENHILL SCHOOL. I'M SURE THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE WORKED THINGS OUT AND FIGURED THINGS OUT AND, AND, UM, WE'LL MAKE THE BEST OF A, OF A DIFFICULT SITUATION TO WORK WITH. MM-HMM, . OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO THAT'S YOUR MOTION? YES, SIR. EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS MOTION? IS THERE SECOND? MOTION IS SECOND. AND AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS. I THINK THE SCREENING THAT LESLIE WAS MENTIONING, SHE DIDN'T DEFINE WHAT THE SCREENING WAS, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT'S GONNA BE A SHRUB, A HOLLY, A RED TIP, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA CONFLICT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THE POWER LINE. OKAY. THANK YOU DAN. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT. I WAS AT THE, AT GREENHILL SCHOOL LAST WEEK AT THE TOUR OF THE, UH, THE NEW STEM AND INNOVATION CENTER, WHICH IS AN AMAZING FACILITY AND IT JUST FURTHER ELEVATES THE STATURE OF GREENHILL SCHOOL. IT'S JUST VERY, IT'S INCREDIBLE. UH, AND THEY, THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD FROM THE SCHOOL LEADERSHIP WAS THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE ASSISTANCE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLISON HAS GIVEN THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS TO HELP THEM GET TO THE FINISH LINE. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT, MARLON, THAT YOU SPENT THE TIME TO DO THAT. SO, UH, THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS. MOTION SECOND AND THE OTHER, UH, COMMENTS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. ITEM FIVE B FIVE D IS APPROVED. AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. [a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a Meritorious Exception to Chapter 62 of the Code of Ordinances for Chick-Fil-A, located at 3790 Belt Line Road, in order to allow Chick-Fil-A to construct a detached single-tenant monument sign within the Addison Town Center Special District. (Case MR2024-02/3790 Belt Line Road - Chick-Fil-A).] SIX A PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION. UH, ON A REQUEST FOR MI MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION TO CHAPTER 62 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR CHICK-FIL-A LOCATED AT 37 90 BELTLINE ROAD. IN ORDER TO ALLOW CHICK-FIL-A TO CONSTRUCT, A DETACHED SINGLE TENANT MONUMENT, SIGNED WITHIN THE ADDISON TOWN CENTER SPECIAL DISTRICT CASE, MR 2024 DASH ZERO TWO SLASH 37 90 BELTLINE ROAD, CHICK-FIL-A LESLIE LESLIE, I'M DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UH, THIS REQUEST IS A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION FOR A NEW CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH IS, UH, CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT 37 90 BELTLINE ROAD. UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS WITHIN THE ADDISON TOWN CENTER SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT, UH, AND DOES NOT ALLOW, UM, IN SINGLE TENANT, UH, MONUMENT OR, UH, POLL SIGNS, UH, WHICH IS WHY THIS, UM, APPLICANT WAS, UH, REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION FOR THIS REQUEST. UH, SO, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SINGLE TENANT MONUMENT SIGN. UH, THE MONUMENT SIGN DOES COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE TOWN STANDARDS REQUIRED FOR A DETACHED SINGLE TENANT MONUMENT SIGN THAT INCLUDES, UH, HEIGHT, UH, CABINET AREA OR SIZE, UM, MATERIAL, ET CETERA. UH, IT WILL BE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UH, AND, UM, PROPOSED THE, IT PROPOSES TO INCLUDE THE CHICK-FIL-A LOGO, AND IT WILL BE GENERALLY LOCATED, UH, AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, UH, ALONG BELTLINE ROAD. IT WILL ALSO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS 20 FEET BEHIND THE BACK OF CURB. AS I MENTIONED, THE SIGN DOES COMPLY WITH ALL OF OUR DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE MONUMENT SIGN, UH, AND THEIR JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS REQUEST IS THAT THE PROPOSED SIGN DOES MEET ALL OF OUR TOWN STANDARDS AND RESTRICTION OF THIS WOULD NOT, WOULD, UH, PROVIDE THEM AN UNNECESSARY DISADVANTAGE TO OTHER BUSINESSES ALONG BELTLINE ROAD. UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT WITHIN THE ADDISON TOWN CENTER, UH, DOES PROPOSE A UNIQUE CONDITION FOR THESE, UH, PAD SITES THAT ARE CURRENTLY SEEING REDEVELOPMENT ALONG BELTLINE ROAD, UH, WHICH LEADS TO THE, UH, CRITERIA AND JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION REQUEST. UH, SO IT IS, UH, THE AUTHORITY OF COUNSEL TO APPROVE MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION, UH, WHEN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, PROVIDE AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL DOES MEET THIS HARDSHIP CRITERIA. UH, AS I MENTIONED THIS, UM, WHEN THIS SCIENTIST WAS FIRST CREATED, UH, IT WAS COVERING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AREA FOR THE ADDISON TOWN CENTER SHOPPING DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDED, UH, THE LARGER, UH, SHOPPING CENTER AS WELL AS MANY PAD SITES WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES THAT THE PAD SITES, UH, AND EVEN SOME OF PORTIONS OF THE SHOPPING CENTER HAVE [02:50:01] BEEN, UM, SOLD AND SUBDIVIDED AND CHANGED HANDS AND NO LONGER HAS COMMON OWNERSHIP, WHICH CREATE, WHICH CREATES SOME, UH, DIFFICULTY WHEN YOU'RE SEEKING OFFSITE SIGNAGE OR SEEKING SIGNAGE ON AN EXISTING MULTI-TENANT SIGN THAT'S NOT ON YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THEM, UH, FROM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT. AND IT'S JUST NOT DEVELOPING UNDER THE INTENT OF WHAT THAT SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT WAS WHEN IT WAS FIRST CREATED. ADDITIONALLY, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE SIGN DOES COMPLY WITH OUR STANDARDS AND IS GENERALLY IN CONSISTENT WITH OTHER MONUMENT SIGNS ALONG BELTLINE ROAD, UH, OR WITHIN THE CORRIDOR. AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE? MAYOR, I'VE GOT A COUPLE. IF I COULD, UM, BEFORE I ASK A QUESTION, I WANT TO START WITH, I, I LOVE THIS SIGN. UM, I LOVE THAT IT'S ON THE GROUND AND NOT IN HIDDEN IN THE TREES AND COMBINED WITH 20 OTHER SIGNS AND, UM, I, I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. SO I WANNA PREFACE, UM, I WANNA START WITH THAT. UM, SO, SO HERE, HERE'S MY FIRST QUESTION, LESLIE. UM, SO THIS IS SIX FOOT IN HEIGHT. CAN WE GO TO YEAH, SLIDE THREE MAYBE? MM-HMM, . SO THIS IS SIX FEET IN TOTAL HEIGHT. AND DO WE HAVE OTHER, UM, MONUMENT SIGNS SIMILAR TO THIS THAT ARE THAT HEIGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL BECAUSE, BECAUSE MY THOUGHT IS, UH, IN THE BELT LINE CORRIDOR AND PROBABLY ADDISON TOWN CENTER, WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE OF THIS SAME THING. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M, I'M GUESSING THIS IN THE FROST SIGN ARE KIND OF SETTING THE STANDARDS. MM-HMM. . SO COULD YOU GIVE, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HEIGHT, THE SIX FEET AND, UM, AND THEN I'VE GOT A SUBSEQUENT QUESTION AFTER THAT. SURE. SO THIS, UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED FOR A SINGLE TENANT DETACHED MONUMENT SIGN WITHIN OUR STANDARD SIGN, CO SIGN CODE, UH, IS ACTUALLY EIGHT FEET. SO THIS IS BELOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT BY TWO FEET. UH, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT. THERE'S, THE ONE THING I'LL NOTE IS, UH, AS REFERENCED, THE FROST BANK SIGN, THEIR LOGO IS A BIT MORE LINEAR. MM-HMM. . AND SO IT, THEIR SIGN IS A BIT SHORTER, BUT I, I WANNA SAY IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT'S JUST UNDER FIVE AND A HALF FEET. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT HEIGHT DIFFERENCE. UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER SPECIFIC SIGN THAT WE, I CAN KIND OF CHIME IN BECAUSE I WAS THERE TODAY. UM, IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, AND I DON'T HAVE THE MEASUREMENT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT'S NOT SIX FEET. LOOK AT MCDONALD'S HAS A MONUMENT SIGN ON THE GROUND. MM-HMM. , IT'S MAYBE TWO FEET OFF THE GROUND. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD STANDARD SINCE THEY'RE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FOR CONSIDERATION. TWO, TWO, UH, HELP ME WITH THAT. I WAS THINKING THAT THAT SIGN WAS AT LEAST FOUR FEET HIGH. MCDONALD'S MCDONALD SIGN. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I WAS JUST THERE. JUST DROVE OUT OF THERE. OKAY. I WOULD LOVE TO GET THE MEASUREMENT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MY STANDARD I WOULD ASK FOR, THEY'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN THE, THAT LET THAT FOUR FOOT, THREE FOOT, IT'S JUST NOT SIX FEET OFF THE GROUND. UH, SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE HEIGHT FROM GRADE TO THE TOP IS TWO FEET. I DON'T THINK THEY HAD, UH, UNDERNEATH THE SIGNAGE UNDER CLOSED SUNDAY MM-HMM. THE BRICK WORK THAT'S THERE IS, I'M LOOKING AT THAT. IS THAT ONE 1.4? IT'S ABOUT ONE AND A HALF ONE, ONE AND A HALF FEET TALL. MM-HMM. , I DON'T THINK MCDONALD'S HAD ONE AND A HALF FOOT UNDERNEATH THEIR M UNDERNEATH THEIR MCDONALD'S LOGO. YEAH. SO I, I GUESS I'M, WHICH THIS IS, I I, THE ONE THAT IMMEDIATELY CAME TO MIND, WHICH ISN'T A, A NECESSARILY A, A FAIR OR AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON IS, UH, THE VITRUVIAN PARK SIGN, WHICH THAT IS A INTENDED TO BE MORE OF A GATEWAY SIGN, BUT THEY HAVE A VERY NICE, UM, BASE, LIKE A, A STONE BASE THAT THEIR SIGN SETS UPON. AND IT'S, SO IT'S A BIT ELEVATED. I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT TWO FEET, IF I HAD TO GUESS. UM, I'M TRYING TO RECALL OTHER, I'M JUST THINKING OF THAT CORRIDOR AND IT BEING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND IS FAST FOOD TO FAST FOOD. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STANDARD TO START IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT USING POLL SIGNS UM, I, I MEAN, IF, UM, THE COUNCIL'S AMENABLE, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, IF YOU WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO AND FIND SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, TO REEVALUATE SOME MORE SPECIFIC COMPARISONS. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO FIND THE EXACT HEIGHT NOT TO BE DIFFICULT. JUST DID WE DON'T HAVE THAT MEASUREMENT HANDY? I DO NOT HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DON'T, I'M SORRY. OH, NO, I DIDN'T THINK YOU ABOUT IT. THANKS, LESLIE. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA STALL THIS ITEM, BUT, BUT I DO, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GONNA SET A STANDARD. UM, BUT IF IT IS WITHIN OUR, OUR, OUR SIGNED STANDARDS, UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO CAUSE IT TO, [02:55:01] TO CAUSE US TO POSTPONE THIS. MM-HMM, . OKAY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TELLING ME IT IS WITHIN, UM, OUR SIGNED STANDARDS, MEASUREMENT WISE, CORRECT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT BELOW THE, THE MAXIMUM STANDARDS. IS IT, UH, INCLUSIVELY. SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AREA HEIGHT, UM, I, I DO BELIEVE IT DOES MEET THIS, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, BUT THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE ACTUAL SIGN ITSELF ARE BELOW OKAY. WHAT OUR MINIMUM, WHAT OUR MAXIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE. AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IS IF WE APPROVE THIS AS IT, AS IT'S BEEN PUT FORTH IN FRONT OF US AND, UH, CHICK-FIL-A AT A LATER DATE, ONCE TO COME IN AND JUST CHANGE IT, UH, IN A MINOR WAY AND MAYBE REMOVE THE CLOSED SUNDAY, CAN, DO THEY HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT? OR DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND, UH, BEFORE COUNSEL TO, TO DO A MINOR, MINOR CHANGE LIKE THAT? UH, SO IT'S, UM, PRETTY STANDARD THAT WE DON'T REGULATE CONTENT. MM-HMM. . SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE IT TO CLOSED MONDAY OR PUT A, A BLANK PANEL IN THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST THEIR LOGO. YEAH. RIGHT. I DON'T THAT LIKELY WOULD NOT WARRANT, UM, A REQUEST FROM CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT. UM, OR EXCUSE ME, A, A APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL, BUT IF THEY WERE MODIFYING THE STRUCTURE OR IF IT WAS A NEW TENANT, THEN IT WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE A, A, A, A NEW REQUEST TO BE SUBMITTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DIMENSION, SO I THINK THE HEIGHT IS FINE. UH, IS THAT A, UH, AN ACCURATE, UH, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE PICTURE WILL BE, WHAT THE SIGN WILL BE? YES. OR IS THAT JUST AN EXAMPLE? NO, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THE SIGN, UH, TO, TO LOOK LIKE. SO ARTWORK. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, CHRIS? I FEEL THE SAME WAY. UM, I, I THINK, UM, I'D PREFER THE MONUMENT SIGN RATHER THAN A POLE SIGN. AND IF IT FITS IN THE ORDINANCE, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT. HOWARD, WERE THE PEOPLE WITHIN 200 FEET NOTICED ABOUT THIS AND WAS THERE ANY OBJECTION? YEAH, SO SINCE THIS ITEM UNDER AM MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION, SINCE IT'S NOT A ZONING REQUEST, UH, WE DO, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BY STATE LAW AND, UH, WE HAVE HISTORICALLY NOT NOTIFIED PROP ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OF THESE TYPE OF REQUESTS, UH, UNDER A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, UM, JUST FOR ADDITIONAL CLARITY, UM, AS WE REVIEWED THESE PROCESSES IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE DI HAVE NOT, UM, WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THAT TOPIC OR, OR MOVED TO A DIRECTION WHERE WE WOULD NOTICE. OKAY. WELL MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT A BUSINESS NEEDS A SIGN IF THEY WANNA SUCCEED, AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THEM AS A TENANT OR A, UH, A RESIDENT OR WHATEVER BUSINESS RESIDENT IN ADDISON. THANK YOU, HOWARD. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, CASE MR 2 0 24 DASH ZERO TWO SECOND. THANK YOU. DARREN SECOND. MARLON SECOND. THANK YOU, MARLON. OKAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T HEAR IT. UM, THERE'S MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. OR ANY OPPOSED? SORRY. I GOT DISTRACTED. ALRIGHT. ITEM SIX A IS APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM [b. Present, discuss and consider action on a request for a Meritorious Exception to Chapter 62 of the Code of Ordinances for Trinity Christian Academy, a school located at 17001 Addison Road, to allow installation of six flagpoles and flags. (Case MR2024-03/17001 Addison Road – Trinity Christian Academy)] SIX B PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR AM MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION TO CHAPTER 62 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR TRINITY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY, A SCHOOL LOCATED AT 17 0 0 1 ADDISON ROAD TO ALLOW INSTALLATION OF SIX FLAGPOLES AND FLAGS CASE. MR 2024 DASH ZERO THREE SLASH 17 0 0 1 ADDISON ROAD, TRINITY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY. IT IS THE LESLIE KNIGHT SHOW. TONIGHT. IT'S LESLIE KNIGHT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. UH, THIS REQUEST IS FOR TRINITY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY. THEY'RE LOCATED AT 17 0 0 1 ADDISON ROAD. UM, AS UH MENTIONED, THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SIX FLAGPOLES AND, UH, THE RELATED FLAGS AT THE PRIVATE SCHOOL. UM, WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT WITHIN OUR SIGN CODE THAT LIMITS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF FLAGPOLES AND FLAGS DISPLAYED, UM, ON A SINGLE PREMISE, UH, WHICH IS WHY, UH, THIS REQUEST HAD TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL. AS A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION, THE SCHOOL HAS RECENTLY BEEN MAKING, UH, SOME REINVESTMENTS IN THE, UH, EXISTING BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELD, WHICH ARE GENERALLY LOCATED, UH, AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE THE SITE. AND, UH, THESE ARE TWO IMAGES, UH, SITE PLANS SHOWN BEFORE YOU SHOWING THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE FLAGPOLES. IT'S PROPOSED TO HAVE THREE [03:00:01] FLAGPOLES AT EACH UM, FIELD, AND IT IS THE INTENT THAT THEY WILL BE UTILIZED, UH, TO, UM, TO, TO DISPLAY THE, UM, UNITED STATES, THE STATE, AND THE SCHOOL FLAG AT THE, SO THAT, UM, VARIOUS, UH, EVENTS SUCH AS THE, UM, STAR-SPANGLED BANNER, OTHER, UH, SIMILAR CEREMONIES AT THE BEGINNING OF SPORTING EVENTS. UH, THOSE FLAGS CAN BE DISPLAYED. WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN OUR CODE THAT FLAG POLES MAY NOT EXCEED 30 FEET IN HEIGHT AND FLAGS MAY NOT BE LARGER THAN 40 SQUARE FEET. THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS FOR BOTH THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELD. I'LL NOTE THAT THE SOFTBALL FIELD, WHICH IS THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, UH, THAT DOES HAVE THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY TO THE EXISTING TOWNHOMES TO THE WEST. UH, THE DISTANCE FROM THOSE FLAGPOLES TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS APPROXIMATELY 95 FEET. UH, SO THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE, UH, SO THEY'RE NOT TOWERING OVER THE ADJACENT TOWN HOMES. UH, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THE SIGN CODE DOES ALLOW THREE FLAGS, FLAGPOLES AND FLAGS PER PREMISE. UH, THIS IS A BIT OF A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE AS IT'S, IT'S, UH, FAIRLY COMMON FOR VARIOUS FIELDS TO, TO DISPLAY THE FLAGS FOR SPORTING EVENTS. AND THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS TRINITY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY, IS, UH, PROPOSING TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE HERE. SO, UH, THE ONE THING I WILL MENTION IS THIS STANDARD EXISTS WITH THE INTENT THAT, UM, BUSINESSES OR OTHER MAYBE COMMERCIAL ENTITIES ARE NOT LINING THEIR RIGHT OF WAYS WITH LARGE FLAGS AND USING IT AS A BUSINESS ADVERTISEMENT. UM, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BECOME A NUISANCE OR AN AESTHETIC CONCERN, UH, WITH THIS REQUEST. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. UM, AND GENERALLY THE FLAGPOLES AND FLAGS WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM ANY OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, UH, INCLUDING ADDISON ROAD OR SOJOURN DRIVE. STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUEST DOES MEET THE CRITERIA FOR AM MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION. UH, SINCE THESE FLAGS WILL NOT BE GENERALLY, OR GENERALLY WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS AND ARE INTENDED TO SUPPORT SPORTING EVENTS FOR THE PRIVATE SCHOOL, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE? MAYOR? UH, MAYOR, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION FOR LESLIE AND THEN I'VE GOT ONE FOR YOU. SURE. UM, LESLIE, DO WE HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS ON WHAT FLAGS CAN BE FLOWN IN OUR, IN OUR CODE? I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS, HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT ENFORCED THOSE AS IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO REGULATE CONTENT. OKAY. HOPEFULLY WE CAN CLEAN THAT UP IN THE OKAY. UM, AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR THE MAYOR. UM, YOU LIVING SO CLOSE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR, HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. MM-HMM, . SURE. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, UH, TRINITY, UH, TCA ALREADY HAS, THEY HAVE THREE IN FRONT OF THEIR, THEIR MAIN BUILDING, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE THREE IN FRONT OF THEIR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER AMAZING FACILITY. AND, AND, AND THEY LOOK SO NICE. I MEAN, IT REALLY, IT LOOKS NICE TO SEE THE BIG, THE FLAGS BLOWING AND THEY, THEY ALSO, BEFORE THEY DID THE RESURFACING OF THE BASEBALL FIELD, THEY HAD THREE OUT THERE AS WELL. AND AGAIN, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE IT SHOULD. AND NOW THE, UH, THEY'VE REDONE THE SOFTBALL FIELD WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S RECONFIGURED. AND I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU DIDN'T DO IT, IT WOULD LOOK KIND OF SILLY TO NOT HAVE IT. SO I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. AND AGAIN, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, UH, ONE OF OUR GREAT SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, DOING MORE INVESTING IN THE SCHOOL AND ELEVATING THEIR, THEIR STATURE. SO THAT'S REALLY GREAT AND I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. IS THERE A MOTION OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION THAT IF YOU CARE TO MAKE A MOTION, I'D LOVE TO SUPPORT IT. I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS, AS, AS, UH, AS SUBMITTED. I SECOND. THANK YOU MARLON. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ITEM SIX B IS APPROVED. VERY GOOD. NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO THE, WE'LL DO ITEM SEVEN AT THE VERY END. LET'S GO BACK TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEM THAT WE PUSH BACK. UH, ITEM [c. Present and discuss an update on the conceptual design for the Quorum Road placemaking project and the NCTCOG (North Central Texas Council of Governments) implementation of connectivity to DART rail stations study.] FOUR C PRESENT AND DISCUSS AND UPDATE ON THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR THE QUORUM ROAD PLACEMAKING PROJECT IN THE N CTOS G'S, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT'S IMPLEMENTATION OF CONNECTIVITY TO DARK REAL STATION'S STUDY, JANA MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JANA TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON. THE PRESENTATION THAT I'M BRINGING FOR YOU, THIS EVENING'S GOING TO FOCUS ON TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE, UM, VERY WELL RELATED AND CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER. AND THEY WERE DEVELOPED AROUND, UM, A LOT [03:05:01] OF GUIDANCE THAT TOWN STAFF USES AS WE ARE IDENTIFYING PROJECTS. UM, FIRST GUIDANCE THAT WE LOOK TO WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT OF KEY FOCUS AREAS DURING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS WITH COUNCIL. UM, THOSE KEY FOCUS AREAS ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION TO PURSUE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING TOOLS TO REVITALIZE DECLINING AREAS, MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY. FACILITATE BUILD OUT OF ADDISON IS A MAJOR NORTH TRANSPORTATION, NORTH DALLAS TRANSPORTATION HUB ADDRESS, FIRST MILE LAST MILE, TOD CONNECTIVITY CONNECT MAJOR DESTINATIONS IN TOWN AND IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. AND THEN THE LAST KEY FOCUS AREA IS A VIBRANT ACTIVE COMMUNITY. EXTEND THE RESIDENT AND VISITOR EXPERIENCE BY ACTIVATING OUR COMMUNITY PARKS AND TOWN ASSETS. ENHANCE ADDISON GATEWAYS AND VISUAL APPEAL OF STREETSCAPES TO OPTIMIZE THE ADDISON BRAND VISION AND CREATE SPECIAL MOMENTS THAT MAKE PEOPLE WANNA BE IN ADDISON. STAFF ALSO LOOK TO GUIDANCE FROM PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THE KEY FOCUS AREAS AND THAT'S WHERE THE ROOT OF THESE PROJECTS BEGAN. UM, ONE OF THOSE DOCUMENTS IS THE PARK RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE PLAN, WHICH IDENTIFIES SOUTH QUORUM AS A TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECT. DURING THAT PROJECT OF FOR THE PROS PLAN, WE DID A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TIME THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY ENGAGED WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THE COMMON THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS THEY WOULD LIKE A PLACE TO GO OUTDOORS, A GREEN SPACE THAT HAD PARK-LIKE FEATURES THAT THEY COULD PERHAPS HAVE A WORKOUT CLASS OR HAVE AN OUTDOOR WORKING MEETING OR THEY COULD JUST GRAB THEIR LUNCH AND HAVE A WORKING LUNCH OR A COFFEE. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED TO DEVELOP, I CAN'T SPEAK. WE STARTED TO DEVELOP THE VISION FOR THE SOUTH QUORUM DRIVE PROJECT. UM, SOON AFTER THE PROS PLAN, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS ALSO ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AND THAT PLAN IDENTIFIED PLACEMAKING AS AN IMPORTANT TOOL FOR ATTRACTING REDEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE CITYWIDE TRAILS MASTER PLAN WAS ESTABLISHED THE NEED FOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND BIKE FACILITIES ON QUORUM DRIVE. SO THAT WAS A LOT OF PLANNING THAT HAPPENED TO LEAD TO THE VISION OR THE THOUGHT OF THESE TWO PROJECTS. THOSE PROJECTS ARE ONE THAT WAS, UM, STARTED BY THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. WE CALL THEM COG, UM, WHICH IS A CONNECTIVITY TO THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT STATION STUDY. COG PROVIDED FUNDING TO DEVELOP SCHEMATIC DESIGN FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE FACILITIES THAT WOULD CONNECT TO DART STATIONS. AND ONE OF THOSE STATIONS THEY SELECTED WAS IN ADDISON. THE PROJECT INCLUDES IMPLEMENTATION OF A TEMPORARY POPUP AND DEVELOPMENT OF AN OPINION, OPINION OF PROBABLE COST FOR THE PROJECT. A PORTION OF THIS PROJECT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE QUORUM DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND THAT'S WHY WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THESE TWO PROJECTS TOGETHER. AND THEN FUNDS FOR SUBSEQUENT DESIGN PHASES AND CONSTRUCTION WILL NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED. I WILL TELL YOU THAT SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT TOP COG IS GOING TO GIVE US THOUGH WILL ALLOW US TO PURSUE SOME GRANT FUNDING SO THAT ISN'T BENEFIT FOR US. UM, STAFF WILL SUBMIT A PORTION OF THIS PROJECT FOR CONSIDERATION THROUGH THE GRANT FUNDING. AND THEN JUST TO KEEP THIS STRAIGHT, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO PROJECTS, THE CONSULTANT FOR THIS PROJECT IS KIMLEY HORN AND THEY'RE WORKING DIRECTLY FOR COG. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PRESENTING A PROJECT, UM, THE QUORUM DRIVE PLACEMAKING, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE QUORUM DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT IS FUNDED WITH $23.4 MILLION DEDICATED FOR CIVIL WORK, WHICH INCLUDES STREETS, WALKS, DRAINAGE, LIGHTING, UM, ET CETERA. AND THAT PROJECT GOES FROM THE DART RAIL STATION SOUTH, UM, TO LANDMARK DRIVE AND THEN TO NTTA. THAT PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES AN ADDITIONAL TWO POINT MILLION DOLLARS FOR PLACEMAKING SOUTH OF BELTLINE ROAD THAT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN BOND FUNDS. THE CONSULTANT FOR THIS PROJECT REPORTS TO THE TOWN AND THE THEY ARE TEAL AND PERKINS. I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THEY HAVE ENGAGED, UH, INTER OR A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PLACEMAKER, PHIL MYRICK, WHO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE PROJECT AND GUIDING IT. AND WE WILL SHARE SOME OF HIS THOUGHTS AND IDEAS WITH YOU AS WE DIVE INTO THAT PROJECT. SO TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE COG CONNECTIVITY STUDY, I'VE PROVIDED A MAP THAT SHOWS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT STAFF AND COG REVIEWED VARIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS. WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF CORRIDORS. ONE OF THEM THAT WE LOOKED AT VERY HEAVILY WAS ADDISON ROAD. UM, THE SCENARIOS THAT WE LOOKED AT, WE WERE LOOKING AT WHICH WAS THE MOST FEASIBLE FOR ADDRESSING SAFETY CONSTRUCTABILITY, UM, COST TO IMPLEMENT RIGHT AWAY, [03:10:01] ACQUISITION, TREE PRESERVATION AND USER COMFORT. SO THOSE WERE KIND OF OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AS WE WERE ANALYZING CORRIDORS. THE RECOMMENDED SOLUTION IS THE CREATION OF A BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITY ON WEST GROVE AND QUORUM. IF YOU REMEMBER, THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED WEST GROVE ROAD AS A MAJOR COMMUTER, UM, BIKE FACILITY AND IT WAS PROPOSED IN OUR MASTER PLAN. THE QUORUM DRIVE PROJECT ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED INTEGRATING, UM, SHARED LANES FOR BIKE LANES ON QUORUM ROAD. BUT THERE WAS SOME VERBIAGE IN THERE ABOUT IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR US TO IDENTIFY A WAY TO INSTALL, UM, SEPARATED BIKE LANES THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED. AND THO THAT WAS WHERE THE CONVERSATION WITH COG AND THEIR CONSULTANT FOCUSED IS UNDERSTANDING HOW WE BEGAN TO GET THOSE SEPARATED BIKE LANES. UM, WE USED SOME TOOLS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WHICH INCLUDED NARROWING EXISTING LANES OR ELIMINATING A LANE OF TRAFFIC. UM, IF A TRAFFIC WARRANT, A TRAFFIC STUDY WARRANTED THAT AND AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF THIS PROJECT WOULD BE, IT WOULD HAVE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, UM, THAT WOULD SERVE WELL ON QUORUM. WE DO HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC OR SPEED BEING AN ISSUE ON THAT ROAD. THERE WILL BE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION NEEDS ON QUORUM DRIVE BETWEEN EDWIN LEWIS AND BELTLINE. UM, BUT THEY WERE MINOR COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER CORRIDORS THAT WE LOOKED AT. THE CROSSING AT THE SILVER LINE DOES POSE SOME CHALLENGES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING COORDINATED WITH DART. UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE STILL NEED TO WALK THROUGH THAT SOLUTION. BUT I'M ACTUALLY VERY PROUD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET A BIKE LANE ALL THE WAY DOWN QUORUM, UM, AND HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THIS ONE CHALLENGE THAT WE STILL NEED TO WORK OUT. UM, THIS PROJECT WILL ALSO INCLUDE A THREE WEEK POPUP DE DEMONSTRATION WILL BE, WHICH WILL BE INSTALLED NORTH OF ADDISON CIRCLE DRIVE. WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL THAT AFTER OCTOBER FEST TO TEST, EDUCATE AND GATHER FEEDBACK. UM, WE'VE ALSO BRAINSTORMED, WE COULD DO THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH PARKING DAY AND DO A PROJECT ON THE OTHER QUORUM PROJECT, THE PLACEMAKING PROJECT, AND HAVE THEM CONNECTED IN A WAY THAT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO, UM, TRY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND GIVE US FEEDBACK AND THEN WE CAN FINE TUNE OUR CONSTRUCTION WHEN WE GET READY TO IMPLEMENT THE PROJECT. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT I'VE PROVIDED, IT SHOWS PRETTY CLEARLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, BUT I ALSO HAVE SOME CROSS SECTIONS THAT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH. UM, THERE'S A TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK, WHICH IS ON STREET, WHICH IS PROPOSED ON WEST GROVE THAT LINES UP WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN OUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN. THERE IS A ONE-WAY BIKER BUFFERED BIKE LANES, UM, GOING FROM WEST GROVE GOING SOUTH TO ADDISON CIRCLE. THAT JUST MEANS THAT THERE IS A BIKE LANE ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD FOLLOWING THE SAME DIRECTION THAT TRAFFIC'S GOING, WHERE A TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK IS. IT'S ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE BIKES ARE GOING EACH DIRECTION. UM, AND THEN THERE IS ALSO A TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK PROPOSED THAT WOULD BE OFF STREET. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY CREATING A LITTLE BIT OF A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND PULLING THE CYCLIST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OFF THE STREET IN THAT SEGMENT THAT YOU SEE THAT IS RED. SO TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, AND THESE ARE SOME GENERAL SECTIONS, BUT THEY DO APPLY TO THE WITS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR ROADS. UM, THE TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK ON WEST GROVE. THIS THE FIRST DRAWING SHOWS TRINITY MILLS TO ADDISON ROAD WHERE UM, THE CYCLE TRACK WILL FOLLOW THE EDGE OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY. UM, ONCE WE GET TO ADDISON ROAD, THE CYCLE TRACK WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE SIDES. THE REASON IT DOES THAT IS THERE'S LESS DRIVE APPROACHES ON THAT SIDE AND THERE'S SOME GEOMETRY THAT CAN CAUSE SOME BLIND SPOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND SO THAT'S MY CYCLIST WILL CHANGE SIDES. IT'S INTENDED THAT THIS CYCLE TRACK WILL EVENTUALLY, UM, MEET UP WITH BIKE FACILITIES THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TOLLWAY. OKAY. AND THEN AS YOU TRAVEL SOUTH ON QUORUM DRIVE FROM WEST GROVE TO ADDISON CIRCLE, WE'RE PROPOSING TWO FORMS OF IMPLEMENTATION. UM, THIS FIRST ONE IS CALLED OUR SHORT TERM IN IMPLEMENTATION. AND THE REASON WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT ONE IS THIS ONE'S THE QUICK AND EASY ONE FOR US TO DO. WE CAN ACTUALLY GO IN AND ADD BIKE LANES ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LANES AND THE DRIVE LANES AND BE ABLE TO HAVE BIKE LANES PRETTY QUICKLY, UM, OVER THE LONG TERM. AND I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I DID ADAPT THIS GRAPHIC FROM WHAT YOU SEE. IF YOU LOOK WHERE YOU SEE THE TWO CARS, I THINK YOUR LABEL SAYS THAT THEY'RE BOTH DRIVE LANES AND ONE IS A PARKING LANE AND ONE IS A DRIVE LANE. SO I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT CHANGE THAT WAS MADE. UM, BUT WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS THIS WOULD ACTUALLY SEPARATE THE CYCLIST ONTO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKED CAR, WHICH IS THE SAFER ROUTE BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEDESTRIANS. UM, THERE'S A BUFFER THERE. AND WHEN PEDESTRIANS SWING OPEN THEIR CAR DOOR, WE'RE ABLE TO CREATE THAT BUFFER OF [03:15:01] SAFETY WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE CAR DOORS AND BIKE CONFLICTS. THIS IS OUR PREFERRED ROUTE. THE CHALLENGE IS, IS IT REQUIRES RELOCATING FIRE HYDRANTS AND LIGHT POLES AND REDOING CURB LINES. AND SO WE'VE NAMED THIS ONE OUR PREFERRED LONG-TERM SOLUTION. UM, IF WE ARE GOING TO APPLY FOR GRANT FUNDING, WE'RE GONNA GO FOR THE THE BIG ITEM, BUT WE WANTED TO KNOW THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE THOSE BIKE LANES. UM, EITHER WAY ON QUORUM DRIVE AS WE TR CONTINUE SOUTH ON THE PROJECT FROM ADDISON CIRCLE TO BELTLINE ROAD, WE ARE PROPOSING AS YOU GO THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT AT THE CIRCLE, THAT THERE WILL BE A TWO-WAY OFF STREET BIKE LANE. SO THAT WILL START AT ADDISON CIRCLE PARK. THAT'LL ACTUALLY OCCUR WHERE WE HAVE THOSE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES IN FRONT ADDISON IN FRONT OF ADDISON CIRCLE PARK AND IT WILL CONTINUE SOUTH. UM, AS WE GO SOUTH, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ALSO HAVE, UM, PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THAT WE WILL CONVERT THOSE INTO BIKE LANES. AND THEN THERE IS SOME RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE WILL NEED TO ACQUIRE PAST EDWIN LEWIS AND PAST, UM, WHERE THOSE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES ARE. SO THIS IS THE AREA OF THE PROJECT THAT I MENTIONED. THERE MIGHT BE SOME RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THERE, UM, I THINK THEY ARE FEASIBLE FOR THAT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION WITHOUT IMPACTING THOSE PROPERTIES. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE MINDFUL OF. AND THEN AS YOU CROSS BELTLINE ROAD, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA POINT OUT IS SAFETY CROSSING BELTLINE ROAD WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT TO US. AND THE MARKINGS FOR THE CROSSINGS ACROSS BELTLINE, UM, WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE WORK THROUGH IN LATER PHASES OF DESIGN WITH THE QUORUM ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. UM, BUT THE BIKE LANES WILL CONTINUE ON THE WEST SIDE OF QUORUM ROAD GOING SOUTH UNTIL THEY HIT LANDMARK. AND THEN THEY WILL TURN ON LANDMARK AND CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONNECT WITH THE FUTURE TRAIL THAT THE CITY OF FARMER'S BRANCHES BUILDING. UM, AND THEY WILL ALSO TURN TOWARDS NTTA AND WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONNECT WITH FUTURE BIKE LANES THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS IDENTIFIED ON THEIR BIKE FACILITY PLANS. OKAY. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES THAT WE STILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH. WE'RE GIVING YOU AN EARLY LOOK AT EARLY PLANNING ON THE PROJECT AND SO THERE'S STILL SOME WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANEUVER BICYCLES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND WHAT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO DO THAT. I'M SHOWING SOME EXAMPLES HERE OF HOW THAT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER CITIES, BUT KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE FUTURE PLANS COMING THAT IDENTIFY THOSE ROUTES AND WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR THEM. OUR OTHER CHALLENGE ON THE PROJECT IS HOW DO YOU HANDLE BUS STOPS WHEN YOU HAVE BIKE LANES? UM, WHAT'S SHOWN HERE IS A PRETTY TYPICAL APPROACH, UM, THAT MAJOR URBAN AREAS HAVE. IT'S CALLED A FLOATING BUS STOP. UM, AND IT SHOWS HOW THE BIKE LANES GO BEHIND THE BUS STOP, BUT THE PEDESTRIANS HAVE A DESIGNATED CROSSING SPACE WHERE THEY'RE CROSSING THE BIKE LANES, UM, IN ORDER TO GET TO THE BUS STOP. I'VE ACTUALLY NAVIGATED SEVERAL OF THESE ON RECENT TRIPS TO SAN FRANCISCO AND NEW YORK, UM, AND WAS REALLY IMPRESSED AT THE WAY THAT THE SIGNAGE GAVE YOU GOOD CLUES AND YOU KNEW THAT YOU WERE ENTERING AN AREA WHERE BICYCLES WERE KIND OF THE DOMINANT THING. JUST LIKE PEDESTRIANS KNOW WHEN THEY'RE CROSSING A ROAD THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE A HEIGHTENED LEVEL OF CAUTION AND IT CAN BE DONE VERY SUCCESSFULLY. OKAY. AND THEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASK MYSELF WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTEGRATING BIKE FACILITIES ONTO A ROAD THAT WE ALL LOVE THAT IS KNOWN FOR ITS CHARM AND ITS CHARACTER AND ITS IDENTITY OF ADDISON, IS WHAT IS THIS GONNA LOOK LIKE AND ARE WE GOING TO PRESERVE THAT INTENT? AND I DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A BENCHMARK PRO PROJECT THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO, TO BE KIND OF A GUIDE FOR US AS WE DEVELOP THIS PROJECT. AND IT IS THE INDIANAPOLIS CULTURAL TRAIL. AND I THINK I SHARED A VIDEO WITH YOU TO WATCH IN ADVANCE, BUT I'VE PROVIDED THIS LINK HERE IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT IT OR SHARE. UM, IT'S AN EIGHT MILE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAIL THAT CONNECTS THEIR CULTURAL DISTRICT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THEY DO VERY WELL WITH THIS TRAIL SYSTEM IS THEY DO A GOOD JOB OF SEPARATING PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AND THEY ALSO DO A GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THE CHARM OF THAT DOWNTOWN AREA. IF YOU SEE THAT A LOT OF THE BIKE LANES ARE DONE WITH BRICK PAVERS AND THEY HAVE VERY NICELY DONE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS SEPARATING THE CARS AND THE BICYCLES AND THE PEDESTRIANS. AND SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD, UM, IMAGE FOR Y'ALL TO SEE TO SO YOU COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT STAFF'S END VISION IS FOR THE PROJECT. OKAY. NOW I'M GONNA TRANSFER TO THE OTHER PROJECT. YES. UH, I I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ON THE BIKE. SURE. CONVERSATION. I THINK IT IS RELATED TO PLAYMAKING, BUT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, THIS COULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR THOSE. CHRIS, [03:20:01] CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH, UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS GREAT AND I LOVE IT. I I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THE VIDEO FROM INDIANAPOLIS. UM, I I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. SO I I I REALLY LOVE THE VISION THAT YOU HAVE. UM, I, I'M JUST, YOU LOST ME WHEN YOU WERE HEADING SOUTH ON QUORUM. IS WILL THAT BE CONNECTED TO THE DART RAIL STATION? YES. SO IF WE'RE TRAVELING SOUTH ON QUORUM, JUST SOUTH OF ADDISON CIRCLE PARK IS WHERE THE DART RAIL STATION OR THE RAIL LINE, UM, CONNECTS OR WOULD INTERSECT WHERE THAT BIKE ROUTE IS OR BIKE LANE IS AND PEDESTRIAN PASS. IT ALSO INTERSECTS WHERE THE COTTON BELT TRAIL IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED. AND SO IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE STATION, UM, THE COTTON BELT TRAIL WOULD BE YOUR ROUTE TO GET TO THE DART STATION. WELL GO AS FAR AS ARAPAHOE AND THEN HEAD WEST. IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE DOWN ARAPAHOE AND THAT IS AN OPTION FOR US. WE ACTUALLY, WERE LOOKING AT EDWIN LEWIS IF WE WANTED TO DO ANOTHER CONNECTION TO THE DART STATION THAT WE COULD GO ON EDWIN LEWIS AND THAT WOULD TAKE YOU TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DART RAIL STATION. GOT IT. OR YOU COULD USE THE COTTON BELT TO GET YOU TO THE NORTH SIDE. THIS STUDY DOESN'T INCLUDE EDWIN LEWIS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EASILY ABSORB INTO SOME CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. AND THAT WOULD BE BOTH A BIKE TRAIL AND A, A WALKING TRAIL, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN, UH, YOU MIGHT NOT BE READY TO GET INTO IT NOW, BUT I THINK THE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF CROSSWALKS WE WANT TO USE TO GET OVER BELTLINE. UM, 'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT CONNECTIVITY, I, I, TO ME THAT'S LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT. HOW CAN WE, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE ON THE TRAILS AND I THINK IT'S, UM, HAVING THEM FEEL SAFE TO GET AROUND. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS INTERNALLY DISCUSSING. UM, AND ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE FUNDS BUDGETED IN THE QUORUM PLACEMAKING PROJECT OR THE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT TO HAVE THOSE MARKED CROSSWALK CROSSWALKS AND CROSSINGS FOR BIKES, UM, ORIGINALLY IN THE QUORUM ART WALK THERE WAS A PROPOSITION OF HAVING A BRIDGE THAT CROSSED OVER BELTLINE. UM, AND IT WAS ON THE EAST SIDE WITH THE WAY THAT THE PLAN FLUSHING OUT THE WEST SIDE. MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. UM, BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT PLANS IN PLACE TO NOT AT LEAST LIMIT US IN THE FUTURE FROM DOING IT. AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S A FUTURE PHASE. ALSO, IF CROSSING BELTLINE VERY SAFELY AND GETTING CYCLISTS ACROSS IS A KEY PRIORITY, UM, WE WANNA PUT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE NOW THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT AND NOT NEGATE IT. AND THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU JENNA. GREAT. GREAT STUFF. YOU SAW THE VIDEO TOO, AND YOU MENTIONED BEING IN SAN FRANCISCO AND NEW YORK. HAVE YOU BEEN TO INDIES? HAVE YOU SEEN INDIES TRAIL IN PERSON YET? OR IS THAT A WISHLIST? I HAVE NOT, BUT IT'S NOW ON MY BUCKET LIST WHERE THERE YOU GO. WE'RE GONNA GO EXPLORE IT. YOU MENTIONED INDY USED PAVERS AND I KNOW WE JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT COST CUTTING AND USING STAMP CONCRETE. SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. THANKS JAN. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, MARLON. YEAH. HEY JANA. UM, SO ON QUORUM FOR MOST OF QUORUM, ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CONSOLIDATING TO, TO ONE LANE, UH, FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC EACH WAY? OR WOULD THAT IT IT DEPENDS ON WHICH SECTION OF QUORUM THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. IN MOST OF QUORUM WE ARE NOT PROPOSING WELL FROM, AND I'M GONNA LOOK TO SHANNON 'CAUSE HE'S ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH ME ON THIS. IT'S PRETTY DETAILED. SO I BELIEVE FROM WESTCO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ADDISON CIRCLE, WE ARE TAKING A LANE OF TRAFFIC. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN AS WE TRAVEL PAST ADDISON CIRCLE, WE'RE ACTUALLY USING EITHER PARALLEL PARKING SPACES OR RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN WHEN WE GET PAST BELTLINE, WE ARE LOOKING AT TAKING A LANE OF TRAFFIC AND I THINK SHANNON CAN EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT HOW THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY A TRAFFIC. AND AND WHEN YOU SAY A LANE OF TRAFFIC, YOU MEAN A A LANE OF TRAFFIC EACH WAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. RIGHT. TWO LANES. OKAY. OH, SORRY. THANKS SHANNON . OKAY. UM, AND ALRIGHT. AND SO THE OTHER THOUGHT, I'M JUST GONNA SH I'M JUST GONNA SHARE A COUPLE THOUGHTS WITH YOU IF I COULD. UM, I, I'M STRUGGLING WITH, UH, WITH SLIDE SIX, THE SHORT TERM IMPLEMENTATION. YES. [03:25:01] UH, FOR SOME OF THOSE REASONS YOU STATED WITH, WITH DOORS OPENING AND SO FAR I JUST, UM, UH, I I JUST DON'T LIKE THE, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE SHORT-TERM IMPLEMENTATION, BUT, UH, THE PREFERRED LONG-TERM IMPLEMENTATION, UH, THAT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER, MORE PAIN IN THE, ON THE FRONT END, BUT LOOK BETTER IN THE LONG RUN. I WOULD MUCH, MUCH PREFER THAT. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WELL THE OTHER THOUGHT IS, UH, IS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM TWO LANES TO ONE LANE KIND OF NEAR THERE AND THEN, AND THEN DOING THE ROUNDABOUT? IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THE, SO FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD END UP BEING ONE LANE INSTEAD OF THE TWO LANES AS IT IS TODAY. AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW THE FINAL DESIGN COMES OUT, THAT REMAINING REAL ESTATE WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE, TO BICYCLISTS. WHETHER THAT'S A RAISED, YOU KNOW, A GRADE SEPARATED, UH, IN THE LONG TERM OR, OR STRIPED AND MARKED OUT. SO THE WAY IT WOULD TRANSITION IS YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, ONE CYCLE LANE GOING NORTHBOUND NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF ONE SOUTHBOUND, BUT THEY WOULD COMBINE AT THE ROUNDABOUT GOING SOUTHBOUND. SO THEY WOULD MERGE BACK TOGETHER, UM, SOUTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT. SO THEY WOULD TRANSITION AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. IF YOU WERE COMING SOUTHBOUND, YOU WOULD JUST MAKE THE SHORT LOOP AND JUST COME STRAIGHT AROUND. IF YOU'RE GOING NORTHBOUND, YOU WOULD MAKE THE TRIP AROUND AND AND HIT THE OPEN LANE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. YEAH. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE FUTURE DRAWINGS TO SHARE. IT'S JUST THIS IS TIED WITH THE OTHER PROJECT AND WE NEEDED TO PRESENT THEM TOGETHER SO WE WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY DONE WITH THIS PROJECT. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT AND WE'LL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU AT A LATER DATE. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST FOCUSED ON, UH, QUORUM. OKAY. UM, YEAH, THE, YOU KNOW, I LOVE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS ON THIS, BUT, UM, I, I'M, I'M JUST NOT A BIG FAN OF, OF, OF CHANGING QUORUM FROM TWO VEHICULAR LANES EACH WAY TO JUST ONE EACH WAY IN, IN THE ROUNDABOUT SPECIFICALLY, OR JUST, UM, WELL, YEAH, WITHOUT A DOUBT IN THE ROUNDABOUT AREA, BUT, UM, LET ME GO THROUGH HERE REAL QUICK. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I, I THINK ABOUT THAT TOO, MARLON AND THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, TWO, THREE MONTHS, I'VE, I'VE BEEN GOING OUT TO, UH, NORTH RICHLAND HILLS IN, IN TARRANT COUNTY A NUMBER OF TIMES. AND THERE'S A ROAD THAT I GO DOWN THROUGH THERE THAT IT'S, IT'S LONG AND IT'S 30 MILES AN HOUR THE WHOLE WAY. AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE GO ABOUT 30 MILES AN HOUR AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE, UH, SERIES OF ROUNDABOUTS ALONG THE WAY AND THEY'RE ALL SINGLE LANE GOING THROUGH THERE AND PEOPLE GO THROUGH SLOW THROUGH THERE. I MEAN, IT REALLY IS A TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S KIND OF IMPRESSIVE THE WAY EVERYBODY KIND OF GETS ALONG AND NOBODY'S TRYING TO FLY THROUGH THERE. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO LANES, IT'S, IT'S EASY TO TAKE YOUR FAST LITTLE CAR AND SEE HOW FAST YOU CAN ZIP THROUGH THERE. SO I MEAN, I, I SEE THIS AS A, AS AN OVERALL POSITIVE, HOW IT COULD HELP, YOU KNOW, SOLVE MORE THAN ONE PROBLEM FOR US. OKAY. SO YEAH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, GETTING, GETTING CARS OFF OF QUORUM AND, AND ALSO CALMING, UH, THAT TRAFFIC, I CAN, I CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, UM, I JUST, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DEDICATING A LOT OF, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK TEARING A LOT OF STUFF UP AND A LOT OF CHANGE FOR, UH, FOR WHAT I DON'T THINK IS GONNA BE THIS MAMMOTH BIKING COMMUNITY GOING UP AND DOWN QUORUM. I MEAN, I, I COULD SEE SOME PEOPLE BIKING ON QUORUM, BUT NOT, NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. YEAH. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, JUST, JUST MY THOUGHTS. NO, I GET IT. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REALLY THE CYCLING GUY. UM, BUT, UM, BUT I, BUT MAYBE IT WOULD BE, MAYBE IT'D BECOME ONE OF THOSE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT ROUTE, UH, THAT'S KIND OF A PRETTY COOL ROUTE THAT YOU, I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, SATURDAY MORNING CYCLING GROUPS TAKING THAT ROUTE AND IT, IT WOULD BE A PRETTY NICE RIDE FOR THEM. AND, UH, AND, AND IF, IF PEOPLE DON'T, IF IF DRIVERS OF CARS DON'T LOVE THAT, THAT CHANGE, THAT MIGHT ALSO BE A POSITIVE AND THEY SHIFT OVER TO DALLAS PARKWAY OR ADDISON ROAD WHERE THE SPEED LIMITS ARE HIGHER AND THEY CAN DO THAT AND, AND, UH, AND, AND MAKES THAT WHOLE QUORUM, UH, CORRIDOR SAFER OVERALL. YEAH. AND FOR ME, I, I'VE, I USED TO BIKE A LITTLE BIT ROAD ESPECIALLY, UH, ROAD BIKE AND UH, AND I THINK THE BIKERS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, THEY'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET, GET ON THE COTTON BELT TRAIL AND GO WITH, WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF STOPS FOR SURE. YEP. THE, THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT THOUGH IS UNDERSTANDING THE BENEFIT [03:30:01] OF PROVIDING THOSE FIRST MILE, LAST MILE CONNECTIONS FROM THE RAIL STATION AND THE COTTON BELT. SO BRINGING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THOSE FACILITIES INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO GETTING 'EM OFF THE COTTON BELT AND GETTING THEM INTO OUR RESTAURANTS AND OUR PLACES TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME, UM, IS AND ALSO TO WORK. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF WHY THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PROPOSED. UM, ONE THING I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL FOR US IS WHEN WE DO THE POPUP SHANNON'S TEAM, UM, ACTUALLY HAS THE ABILITY WITH THE SPEED SIGNS THAT THEY HAVE OUT, OUT TO MEASURE THE SPEED AND RECORD IT. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO WHEN WE DO OUR POPUP, IT'S GOING TO TELL US IF WHAT WE DID CALMED TRAFFIC. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE'VE STILL ARE DOING FUTURE STUDIES. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS WE ACTUALLY MET OUT ON SITE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THIS PROJECT. AND WE HAD SEVERAL CYCLISTS PASS US IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE WERE THERE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT STRAVA DATA, THERE'S MORE CYCLISTS THAT ARE USING QUORUM THAN I THINK WE REALIZE. UM, AND I THINK ONCE WE BUILD IT, WE WILL SEE MORE. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT I THINK THAT THOSE ARE ALL THINGS FOR US TO CONSIDER AS WE DEBATE THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. I HOPE THE OTHER THING WE'LL CONSIDER IS WHERE THOSE CARS ARE GONNA GO BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA PUSH 'EM OFF, SOME OF THEM OFF QUORUM TO USE OTHER, OTHER STREETS LIKE ADDISON ROAD AND SO FORTH. LIKE, I, I'LL CHIME IN 'CAUSE I, MAYOR, MAYOR, IT'S FUNNY YOU BROUGHT UP NORTH RICHLAND HILLS AND MAYBE IT'S THE SAME ROAD IF YOU GO UP GLAD ROAD LIKE I DO TO GO TO THE GRANDKIDS. IT IS WILD TO COME OUT OF, TO GO TO GO UP GLAD ROAD OFF OF ONE THREE. SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE, TO MARLIN'S POINT, IMAGINE BELTWAY BEING FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC. IT'S ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW. AND WE'RE USING A CALMING METHOD, CALMING MEASURE COMING UP. SO I'M GONNA BE IN FULL AGREEANCE TO TRY AND MAKE THAT QUORUM ROAD NOT A RACEWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN GO ZIP UP AND DOWN PROBABLY ADDISON ROAD, THEY'LL MAKE, FIND A WAY OVER THE SPECTRUM. BUT FOR THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY THAT'S IN THERE, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT SLOW DOWN. YEAH. AND I'M, I'M ALL FOR SLOW DOWN. YEP. I, I, WITH THAT LOOK IN INDIANAPOLIS WOULD BE INCREDIBLE AROUND QUORUM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF SOUTH ON QUORUM. SO THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS. AARON, I THINK, UM, JEN, I THINK YOU REALLY DID MAKE A GOOD POINT THIS FROM THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES. THIS IS THE LAST MILE, FIRST MILE ISSUE FOR A LOT OF IT. I'M A CYCLIST, I'M A VERY SLOW CYCLIST, BUT I'M A CYCLIST AND THIS IS NOT GONNA BE MY PREFERRED ROUTE TO GO RIDING. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE MY ROUTE TO GET SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I THINK, UH, FROM THE, YOU KNOW, HIGHER DENSITY LIVING IN ADDISON CIRCLE, RIDING YOUR BIKE DOWN TO QUORUM BUILDINGS ON SOUTH QUORUM, I MEAN IT, IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE. AND SO I I THINK IT'S, IT REALLY DOES SUPPORT THAT. WELL IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE IT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY, IT'S NOT THERE. RIGHT. BUT AS, AS WE BUILD IT, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA, UH, HAVE A FOLLOWING AND I THINK THERE ARE MORE BIKES THAN WE WE KNOW, THAN WE SEE. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT MEASURING 'EM. CHRIS, I JUST A COMMENT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY DO THE PROJECT? I, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT REALLY ENHANCES OUR BRAND. I, I WANT TO BE THAT TOWN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS A HIKING TRAILS, BIKING TRAILS, UM, WE, WE END UP GOING TO BENTONVILLE A LOT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A DAUGHTER THAT GOES TO SCHOOL UP THERE AND BENTONVILLE IS ALL ABOUT BIKING. MOST OF THOSE TRAILS ARE AWAY FROM THE TOWN OR FROM THE CITY PROPER. BUT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ALL FIND THEIR WAY BACK TO THE TOWN THROUGH THOSE TRAILS THAT CONNECT BACK INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPED AREAS. AND THEY ALL HANG OUT OUTSIDE AND THEY ALL DRINK BEER AND THEY EAT AT THEIR RESTAURANTS. AND I, I JUST THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT ENHANCES THE TOWN'S BRAND A LITTLE MORE. I, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE ONE MORE QUICK COMMENT. I, I SPENT SOME, SOME TIME FOR WORK OVER IN RICHARDSON AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SPENT ANY TIME OVER THERE, THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED A TON OF BIKE TRAILS. SO JUST ANOTHER GOOD AREA TO GO VISIT. I CAN GIVE YOU THE STREETS. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE, ON THE BIKE LANES? OKAY, CARRY ON PLEASE. JUST TO WRAP THAT UP, WHEN WE, UM, DO OUR POPUP, I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO COME OUT AND RIDE OUR LITTLE BIKE LANE ON QUORUM WITH US AND TEST IT OUT AND GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE'LL BE SURE THAT WE PASS THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT PROJECT IS THE QUORUM DRIVE PLACE MAKING PROJECT. SO THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT IS SOUTH OF BELTLINE. UM, IT'S OUR NORTH, OUR SOUTH CORE AND BUSINESS DISTRICT. UM, THIS PROJECT, THE VISION FOR THIS PROJECT STARTED IN 2014, UM, WHEN STAFF AT THE TIME VISIONED AN ART WALK, WHICH WOULD BE A WALKABLE CORRIDOR THAT SHOWCASED PUBLIC ART AND WAS CREATED FOR QUORUM DRIVE. AND THE ART WALK WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO START AT THE, UM, SUNUP AT QUORUM SCULPTURE AND [03:35:01] END ALL THE WAY AT THE BLUEPRINT SCULPTURE. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE PIECES, PIECES OF ART SCATTERED IN BETWEEN. UM, THE WALKABLE CORRIDOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BELTLINE HAS BEEN CREATED WITH SOME ART. UM, WE DO NEED TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL PIECES, BUT THE SOUTH SIDE DOES NOT HAVE THE WALKABLE CORRIDOR OR THE LIGHTING OR THE ELEMENTS THAT IT NEEDS TO CARRY OUT THAT VISION. UM, AFTER THIS VISION WAS DEVELOPED, WE DID THE PROS PLAN AND AS I MENTIONED, WE SPOKE WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THAT PLAN IDENTIFIED THE NEED TO CREATE OUTDOOR SPACES FOR PEOPLE WORKING IN AND VISITING THE SOUTH QUORUM BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND THIS HAS BECOME EVEN MORE IMPORTANT SINCE 2020 WHEN A LOT OF OUR WORKFORCE HAS STARTED MODIFYING WORK ARRANGEMENTS WHERE A LOT OF THEM ARE WORKING FROM HOME AND COMING INTO THE OFFICE PERIODICALLY. UM, WE'VE SPOKE TO EMPLOYERS THROUGH OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THEY ARE COMPETING WITH THE LEGACIES IN THE AREAS THAT ARE CREATING THESE GREAT URBAN ENVIRONMENTS FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES TO GET OUT AND HAVE SOMETHING TO DO DURING LUNCH OR TAKE A QUICK WALK OR RIDE OUT RUSH HOUR AND GO DO SOMETHING FUN AND THEN YOU GO HOME. AND SO THEY TOLD US THAT A PROJECT THAT WOULD HOLD THEIR EMPLOYEES, BRING THEM INTO THE OFFICE AND ENGAGE THEM OUTDOORS, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE THEM MORE COMPETITIVE WHEN THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THOSE LEASE SPACES. SO I THINK THIS PROJECT'S BECOME EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE EARLY DAYS OF VISION. IN 2014, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALSO IDENTIFIED PLACEMAKING AS A KEY TOOL TO ATTRACT DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT TO ADDISON. AND THAT'S THE FOCUS OF THIS PROJECT IS PLACEMAKING, UM, VOTERS APPROVED FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT IN THE 2019 BOND ELECTION. UM, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOME IDEAS FOR THE PLACEMAKING COMPONENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BEYOND THE $2.9 MILLION BUDGET. UM, SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW ONE OF OUR STEPS WILL BE TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE WE GONNA CONSTRUCT IN A PHASE ONE, UM, AND IS THERE A WAY TO GET, BUILD SOME PARTNERSHIPS TO MAYBE HAVE SOME PARTNERS HELP US FUND A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT PHASE ONE THAN THE 2.9? UM, BUT LET'S DREAM BIG AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW WE START STRONG. AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. UM, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOME GRAPHICS THAT WE'VE USED WITH OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THIS PROJECT. UM, EARLY ON COUNCIL AWARDED A CONTRACT TO TEAL AND PERKINS AND I MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE PHIL MYRICK A PLACEMAKER IN INVOLVED ON THE PROJECT. AND THIS IS ONE OF THEIR EARLY GRAPHICS THAT THEY CREATED FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY POINTED OUT IS THERE'S REALLY KIND OF THREE ZONES ON QUORUM. THERE'S A RETAIL ZONE THAT'S CLOSE TO BELTLINE AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A HOTEL ZONE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, AND THEN YOUR OFFICE ZONE THAT IS AT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF IT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS PROJECT ALSO WAS BENEFICIAL TO OUR HOTELS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. I KNOW WHEN I TRAVEL PLACES, I WANNA WALK OUT OF A HOTEL AND GET ON A STREET SCAPE AND GO WALK AND EXPERIENCE THE CITY. AND THIS WILL BEGIN TO CREATE THAT FRAMEWORK AND I THINK IT WILL HELP OUR HOTEL PARTNERS. UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COUNCIL APPOINTED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO OFFER INPUT AND FEEDBACK DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. THE COMMITTEE CONSISTS OF ADDISON RESIDENTS AND ALSO BUSINESS COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE QUORUM DISTRICT. UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS AGREED ON, UM, IS THEY IDENTIFIED THE ARBORETUM LIKE QUALITY OF THE CORRIDORS. ITS MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTIC AND STAFF AGREES WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH WHEN YOU TURN ON THAT CORRIDOR, ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING GETS GREEN AND LUSH AND IT'S A, YOU WANNA GET OUT OF YOUR CAR AND WALK AND ENJOY IT. AND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE WALKABLE CORRIDORS THERE YET. SO THAT IS A, UM, A PRIORITY FOR US IS, IS TO PRESERVE THAT QUALITY. AND THEN THE SECOND THING THAT THE COMMITTEE IDENTIFIED WAS THE NEED FOR IMPROVED CONNECTIVITY. UM, AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE AN IMPORTANT OBJECTIVE TO THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, UM, AN OVERALL PLAN VIEW FOR THE PROJECT AND THEN I'M GONNA WORK WALK YOU THROUGH THE ELEMENTS OF IT. SO THE FIRST THING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THE ELIMINATION OF ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC IN EACH DIRECTION. AND THIS WAS SUPPORTED BY A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. UM, IT RECOMMENDS THE ADDITION OF A TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK ON THE WEST SIDE OF QUORUM. I MADE TWO MISTAKES ON YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THIS ONE I SAID EAST SIDE. SO NOTE THAT I'VE UPDATED THAT AND I APOLOGIZE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING IN TRUE NORTH PLAN VIEW AND IT THREW THIS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OFF, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLUE LINE THAT IS ON THE TOP OF YOUR PAGE, THAT IS THEIR PROPOSED BIKE LANE. AND IF YOU SEE IT TURNS ON LANDMARK, IT'S PROPOSED TO CONNECT WITH THE FUTURE [03:40:01] TRAIL THAT THE CITY OF FARMERS BRANCH HAS DESIGNED. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE IT FUNDED YET, BUT THEY DO HAVE A, A TRAIL DESIGNED. UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT FOR THEM ALSO TO ADD THAT CONNECTION OVER TO NTTA, UM, SO WE CAN HAVE A FUTURE CROSSING ON VERDE VALLEY THAT WOULD CONNECT US TO MONTFORT. SO NEXT TIME YOU SEE THIS PLAN THAT WILL BE ADDED TO IT. UM, THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE THE IMPROVEMENT TO TRAFFIC FLOW AT THE INTERSECTION OF QUORUM DRIVE AND LANDMARK. BECAUSE IF YOU NOTICE WE GOT RID OF THAT REALLY WEIRD, DOES IT WANNA BE A ROUNDABOUT OR IS IT NOT? WHAT DO WE DO AROUND HERE? UM, AND WE CREATED A PARK SPACE ON THAT SIDE AND WE CLEANED UP THE WAY THAT TRAFFIC FLOWS ON QUORUM AND HOW THEY TURN ON OR HOW THEY FLOW ON LANDMARK AND TURN ON QUORUM. AND THEN THE PARK SPACE WAS ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE THINGS THAT I FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK MY FIRST WEEK ON THE JOB IN ADDISON WAS MEETING WITH SOME PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN THAT AREA THAT WANTED TO TRY TO CREATE THAT ROUNDABOUT AREA INTO A PARK, UM, THAT THEY COULD USE. BUT WE HAD A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT PUTTING PEDESTRIANS IN A MIDDLE OF A ROADWAY. AND IF YOU'RE THERE DURING RUSH HOUR, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE EXCEPT RUSH HOUR. AND IF YOU'RE THERE TRYING TO CROSS IT CAN GET A LITTLE DIFFICULT. SO WE'VE CREATED THOSE SAFE CROSSINGS. UM, ONE THING YOU'LL SEE NEXT TIME YOU SEE THIS PLAN IS WE'LL ACTUALLY SHOW WHAT THAT CROSSING ACROSS BELT LINE LOOKS LIKE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT, BUT AS I MENTIONED, IDENTIFYING THOSE SAFE CROSSINGS, UM, AND CONSTRUCTING THEM WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT. OKAY. UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT EVERYBODY ASKED ME WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS IS, OKAY, HOW MUCH LAND DO YOU NEED TO TAKE? IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAGENTA LINE ON HERE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE TOWN HAS. AND RIGHT BEHIND IT IN SOME AREAS IS A BLUE DASH LINE THAT IDENTIFIES SOME ADDITIONAL EASEMENT SPACE THAT THE TOWN GOT WHEN THEY WERE BEGINNING TO WORK ON THE QUORUM ART PROJECT. AND SO A LOT OF THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS WITHIN OUR EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. IN FACT, THERE'S A FEW AREAS WHERE YOU MIGHT SEE THE SIDEWALK KIND OF SQUIGGLES PAST IT, BUT I THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANT TO PULL MOST OF THE PROJECT INTO OUR WIDE AWAY. OKAY. I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THAT PLAN. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS ADDING THE ADDITION OF A COFFEE OR WINE OR KIND OF BEER TYPE GARDEN. UM, IF YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE DOTS THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED IN THE PARK SPACE, THIS COULD BE A PERMANENT FACILITY OR IT COULD BE A SPACE THAT FLEXES INTO THE SERVICE. SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE A POP-UP FOOD TRUCK ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT COMES IN AND CREATES THAT ENVIRONMENT. ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS WE HEARD FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS IT TAKES A LOT FOR THEM TO GET OUT OF A PARKING GARAGE, GET ACROSS BELT LINE AND GO TO A RESTAURANT FOR LUNCH AND GET BACK IN AN HOUR. AND WE WERE ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES IF WE COULD PROVIDE FOOD TRUCKS OR SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD JUST WALK DOWN TO AND GRAB LUNCH OR A QUICK BITE. SO THIS WOULD DO THAT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE TALKED WITH SEVERAL OF THE, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR AND WE HAVE ONE THAT SAID THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HELPING OPERATE IT IF WE WERE GOING TO OPEN SOMETHING THAT LIKE THAT UP. SO THERE IS SOME INTEREST. UM, THIS ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE DOG FRIENDLY, SUPPORTING HOTEL GUESTS THAT BRING DOGS AND EMPLOYEES THAT BRING PETS TO WORK. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BEING MINDFUL OF JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME ILLUSTRATIONS OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. WE'RE SHOWING SOME BENCHMARK PROJECTS. SO IF YOU LOOK FRISCO, THEY HAVE A RAIL YARD OR THE TRUCK YARD COURTYARD OR MUTTS IS A PET FRIENDLY OPTION THAT SHOWS THAT YOU CAN COMBINE THOSE USES BUT ALSO HAVE KIND OF A OFF LEASH PET FRIENDLY AREA THAT PEOPLE, UM, CAN SIT DOWN AND HAVE A DRINK WITH THEIR PET OR THEY CAN GO ON THE OTHER SIDE IF YOU DON'T WANNA BE AROUND DOGS AND IT WOULD PROVIDE ANOTHER OPTION. UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ELEMENTS PROVIDED OR PROPOSED AS FAR AS PLACEMAKING. ONE OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS, AND I THINK THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES THAT THE PARK CAPTURES, IS THE IDEA OF CREATING EVENT SPACE AND PASSIVE LAWN. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THESE GREEN BUBBLES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE SHOWING WHERE THAT COULD HAPPEN. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE MARRIOTT HOTEL IS AND WE RECENTLY MET WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE SOME PLANS FOR THAT SPACE AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO PERHAPS HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM AND THEM FACILITATING, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT SPACE AND MAYBE US PROVIDING THE TRAIL CONNECTION OR SOMETHING WITH IT. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, BUT THE LARGER GREEN SPACE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARK SPACE WOULD BE A PLACE THAT OUR RECREATION PROGRAMMERS COULD ACTUALLY HAVE YOGA CLASSES OR POP UP FITNESS CLASSES OR WE COULD CONTRACT WITH THE CAMP GLADIATORS THAT DO THE CLO UM, BOOT CAMPS [03:45:01] AND IT WOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN THE OFFICES TO COME DOWN AND PARTICIPATE IN FITNESS OPPORTUNITIES. UM, IT'S ALSO A SPACE THAT, UM, COULD BE A LARGE GATHERING SPACE FOR CORPORATE FUNCTIONS. SO IF OUR BUSINESSES WANTED TO HAVE AN EVENT FOR THEIR TEAM TO CELEBRATE THEM, THIS WOULD BE THE SPACE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND IT COULD ALSO BE FOR SMALL DAILY GATHERINGS. UM, AND THE PASSIVE LAWN WOULD, WE WOULD DESIGN IT TO PRESERVE THAT ARBORETUM LIKE CORRIDOR IN THE PROJECT. THESE ARE SOME BENCHMARK PROJECTS THAT SHOW THOSE PASSIVE EVENT LAWN SPACES. UM, HARWOOD PARK AND MAIN STREET GARDENS ARE BOTH IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. UM, ENERGY SQUARE, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH GREEN IT IS IN A BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK THE USE THAT YOU SEE AT ENERGY SQUARE WOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE WOULD ENVISION SEEING IN THIS AREA. UM, THE OTHER PLACE MAKING EVENTS IS BRINGING IN CO-WORKING SPACES AND GATHERING SPACES. SO SMALL SPACES THAT PEOPLE COULD GO, JUST POP UP A LAPTOP AND WORK INDEPENDENTLY, BUT ALSO SPACES THAT IF YOU WANTED TO DO AN OUTDOOR MEETING OR CONFERENCE WITH YOUR TEAM, THAT THERE WOULD BE A PLACE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE GONNA HAVE A PHASE ONE THAT WE IDENTIFY. THERE'S A LOT OF KIND OF TURQUOISE AND RED DOTS ON THIS MAP. WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE WOULD START WITH SOME OF THESE AND WE COULD ALWAYS GROW INTO THEM LATER. SO THERE'S A LOT MORE PROPOSED HERE THAN WHAT WOULD BE BUILT IN THE BEGINNING. UM, BUT THIS ALSO WHEN WE TALKED TO THE MARRIOTT HOTEL, THEY SAID THAT THEY RUN OUT OF, UM, COMPUTER ROOM SPACE FOR THEIR VISITORS SOMETIMES. AND IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE THAT OUTDOOR WORKING SPACE THAT THEY SEE THAT IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THEIR HOTEL GUEST. UM, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE BUILT OFF OF AFTER WE DEVELOPED THESE IDEAS FOR THE PLAN. UM, THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT THOSE CAN LOOK LIKE IN BENCHMARK PROJECTS. UM, ONCE AGAIN, SHOWING YOU MAIN STREET GARDENS, IF YOU SEE THOSE LITTLE GREEN LS, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY OUTDOOR READING PLACES WITH A TABLE THAT PEOPLE CAN JUST POP UP A LAPTOP AND WORK. UM, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE LARGER AREAS THAT HAVE DEDICATED LIKE WHITEBOARDS AND LARGER TABLES TO PUT GROUPS OF PEOPLE AT. UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT, IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS. IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE POPUP WORKSTATION THAT LL BEAN DESIGNED CALLED BE AN OUTSIDER AT WORK AND THEY HAVE ALL THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF UM, WHY YOU SHOULD GO OUTSIDE AND WORK AND WHAT THE BENEFITS OF THAT IS. AND SINCE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND TREES ARE SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF ADDISON'S DNA, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONNECT THAT WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, UM, FOR THEM TO HAVE THOSE BENEFITS. AND THEN THE FINAL PART OF THE PLACE MAKING IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO GROW INTO, BUT IT WOULD BE THE IDEA OF HAVING AN EVENT PLAZA OR AN OPEN STREET. UM, THIS SHOWS THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY LET LANDMARK CONTINUE AND CLOSE QUORUM, UM, AND HAVE A POP-UP ART MARKET OR A FESTIVAL ON THE STREET. IF YOU SEE THERE'S A DARK YELLOW AND A LIGHT YELLOW THAT SHOWS YOU THAT YOU COULD DO A SMALL LIGHT VERSION OR YOU COULD DO A LARGER VERSION. I WILL TELL YOU THE LARGER VERSION, THERE'S A FEW THINGS WITH THE MARRIOTT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TO WORK WITH ON HOW THEIR TRAFFIC COMES IN AND OUT THAT WE'RE WORKING OUT. UM, BUT IT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO A FESTIVAL. I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTS ASKING US IF WE COULD DO LIKE AN ART FESTIVAL OR A EVENT AND THIS STREET GOES A LITTLE DARK, UM, ON WEEKENDS BECAUSE MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS LEAVE. UM, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE AN ASSET TO THE HOTEL AND THEY SPOKE VERY STRONGLY WHEN WE MET WITH THE MARRIOTT OF HOW THIS WOULD BE A DESTINATION SOMETIMES FOR THEIR VISITORS. THEY, WHERE THEY SAY THEY STRUGGLE IS ON FRIDAY, SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS. THEY DO BETTER ON WEEKDAYS WITH THEIR BUSINESS CLIENT. AND SO IF WE COULD CREATE MORE THINGS THAT ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO WANNA STAY IN THE HOTELS IN THAT AREA, THAT WOULD BE A SUCCESS FOR THEM. UM, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT EVENT PLAZA, SO THE GATHERING SPACE IN THE PARK WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, PROBABLY OUR MOST FAMILIAR FRAME OF REFERENCE WOULD BE ADDISON CIRCLE PARK AT THE JAVA AND HOPS PAVILION, UM, THAT WE HAVE RIGHT THERE. THAT SPACE WOULD BE WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE PARK AREA TO BE AN EVENT PLAZA. AND THEN THIS IS WHAT AN OPEN STREET LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE A FESTIVAL. UM, THEY CAN BE MORE INTIMATE AND SMALL LIKE THE DEEP ELLUM COMMUNITY ARTS FAIR OR THE UPTOWN BLOCK PARTY. UM, WE DON'T EVER ENVISION SEEING A LOWER GREENVILLE BLOCK PARTY FOR ST. PATRICK'S DAY HAPPENING ON THAT STREET. UM, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME PARA COMPARISONS TO SHOW HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE THOSE, UM, OPEN [03:50:01] STREET CONCEPTS DO USE. OKAY. UM, WITH THAT SAID, I'VE TALKED TO YOU A WHOLE LOT ABOUT TWO BIG PROJECTS. UM, THIS IS THE END RESULT WHEN YOU OVERLAP ALL OF THOSE IDEAS INTO THE ONE PROJECT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO NOTE THAT THIS IS A STANDALONE PROJECT THAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR ADDISON, BUT THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT INTEGRATING IN THE BIKE LANES AND WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE VISION PLAN FOR ADDISON CIRCLE PARK, I BELIEVE WE'RE REALLY TAKING THAT STEP FORWARD TO KEEP US IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DID IN THE EARLY DAYS OF WHEN WE DEVELOPED ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICT, THAT WE WANTED TO BE INNOVATIVE AND WE WANTED TO BE AHEAD OF WHERE OTHER CITIES WERE BEING. AND I BELIEVE WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE THREE PROJECTS TOGETHER, WE'RE REALLY SETTING OURSELVES UP TO CONTINUE THAT, UM, LEGACY THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IN ADDISON. SO OUR NEXT STEPS, UM, WILL BE TO FINALIZE SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE NEXT STEPS AND THEN I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE QUORUM PROJECT, UM, THE PLACEMAKING ONE. BUT WE'RE GONNA FINALIZE SCHEMATIC DESIGN FOR THE PLACEMAKING PROJECT AND FOR THE CONNECTIVITY PROJECT. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE, UM, THE QUORUM DRIVE CONNECTIVITY ELEMENTS INTO THE QUORUM DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION AND PLACEMAKING PROJECT. SO THE, THE ELEMENTS THAT WE CAN CONSTRUCT WITH THE QUORUM DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THOSE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WE'LL IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AND POSSIBLE FUNDING NEEDS FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE PROJECTS. WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY A PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE QUORUM DRIVE PLACEMAKING PROJECT AND RECOMMEND THAT TO YOU. UM, WE'LL APPLY FOR GRANT FUNDING FOR THE QUORUM DRIVE CONNECTIVITY PROJECT THAT'S OUT OF THE LIMITS OF THE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. AND THEN WE WILL DEVELOP CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR EACH REPRESENTATIVE PROJECT. AND I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE PLACEMAKING PROJECT. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE THAT WAS A LOT, BUT WOW, THAT WAS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD, DARREN. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. I LIKE YOUR LAST SLIDE ON, UH, 29 SHOWING IT ALL OVERLAP TOGETHER. I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD. LOTS OF PO POSSIBILITIES AND IT COULD BE A, A GOOD BLUEPRINT FOR OTHER PARTS OF TOWN. YEAH, REALLY CREATIVE. IT, IT'S A REALLY, IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO, TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MOST OF US HAD NEVER THOUGHT COULD HAPPEN DOWN THERE. 'CAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR ALL THAT. BUT THE WAY YOU LAY IT OUT, IT REALLY MAKES SENSE. AND, AND, AND IT COULD REALLY MAKE THAT AREA REALLY ATTRACTIVE TO, UH, TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE HOTEL. I, I TO SAY, JANET GOT ME INSPIRED AT NINE O'CLOCK AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. I WAS, I WAS PUMP. I DO JUST WANT TO CREDIT JANA AND JOE AND CHANDLER AND THE WHOLE TEAM ON THIS PROJECT. IT'S REALLY, IT REALLY IS EXCITING. YEAH, I MEAN, JUST SEEING THAT YOU CAN CREATE A PART YEAH. EVEN THE ROAD IS, IS REALLY NEAT. YEAH, IT'S REALLY GREAT WORK AND I, I APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM, WHICH IS VERY APPARENT, CHRIS. AND I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO INTERJECT AND ALSO THANK OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, BEING A CONSULTANT WHO'S WORKED WITH OTHER PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS, A LOT OF TIMES YOU HEAR NO. UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF YES. OF LET US FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND SO THEY'RE A BIG PARTNER IN THIS. THAT'S REALLY GREAT. THANK YOU, SHANNON. CHRIS? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, I MEAN, JUST STAND ALONE, IT LOOKS GREAT AND, UM, I THINK IT WOULD ENCOURAGE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND ENJOY THOSE SPACES. I ALSO LIKE IT THOUGH, BECAUSE IT BECOMES AN AMENITY TO A LOT OF OUR OFFICE TOWERS THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO, TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THEY STAY LEASED UP. SO I THINK IT'S GREAT. NANCY. UH, I WOULD JUST, UM, SAY TOO, ON THE SAME LINES AS, AS CHRIS, I SEE IT AS A GREAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL. MM-HMM. . UM, IT'S, I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, ANYBODY LOOKING AT ADDISON, THAT AREA WOULD GIVE IT SOME SERIOUS THOUGHT AND REALIZE WHAT IT BRINGS TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR COMPANY. YEAH. IT'S VERY, VERY, UM, INSIGHTFUL AND, AND FORESIGHTED. SURE. JENNA, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM US TONIGHT? OR WAS THIS JUST AN UPDATE FOR US? JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD. WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF PLANNING AND A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT I FELT LIKE WE WERE AT A CRITICAL POINT THAT WE NEEDED TO CAPTURE YOUR FEEDBACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ON COURSE, UM, HEARD A FEW CONCERNS THAT Y'ALL HAD AND WE DEFINITELY WILL BE WORKING ON THOSE AS WE FURTHER DEVELOP THE PROJECT. VERY GOOD. GREAT WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. WELL, NOW WE WILL GO TO OUR, SO I CAN I TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO, ON THE, UH, LAST WORK SESSION ITEM, WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THAT BACK. WE'RE [d. Present and discuss the Town of Addison FY 2024 Second Quarter Financial Report.] GONNA POSTPONE, UM, ITEM D TO, UH, A LATER MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT'S JUST AN UPDATE. SO IF YOU, IT'S THE FINANCIAL UPDATE. WE DON'T NEED TO PUSH EACH TO THE MEETING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN EMAIL 'EM IN. OKAY. OR JUST ASK 'EM AT ANY POINT. YEAH. SO YOU, SO YOU'VE GOT THE FULL PRESENTATION IN YOUR, ON YOUR, ON [03:55:01] YOUR, UH, DOCUMENTS THERE SO YOU CAN REVIEW THAT AND ASK QUESTIONS AS NEEDED. SO THEN WE'LL JUMP TO [7. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.] THE LAST SESSION, LAST ITEM OF THE, UH, OF THE NIGHT, WHICH IS ITEM SEVEN, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. AND FOR THE, UH, NEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT WE DO THIS, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR, FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW. UH, IT'S, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, UH, TO JUST BRING UP ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST EXPRESSION OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS, CONDOLENCES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AROUND TOWN THAT YOU SEE, UH, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. AND MARLON, I SEE YOUR LIGHT. SO THANK, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, SO, UH, MONDAY I DROVE AROUND THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND JUST SAW A, A, A GREAT DISPLAY OF AMERICAN FLAGS. AND I THINK I SPOKE WITH YOU. YOU SAID YOU, YOU PUT OUT LIKE 200 ADDISON MIDDAY ROTARY, PUT OUT 200, I PUT OUT 60 AT TOWN HOMES OF ADDISON. I WENT OVER TO MORMON, MORMON LANE AND, AND, UH, SURVEYOR. AND THEY, THEY HAD US BE BY FOURFOLD OR SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT MORMON LOOKED GREAT. YEAH. I MEAN, IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED GREAT. SO, UM, I WAS REALLY PROUD OF OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE THAT, THAT KIND OF DISPLAY. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AMOUNT. UM, SO IT WAS AWESOME. UM, AND ALSO WANT TO, UH, UH, I WANT TO THANK THE, UH, ALL OF OUR, UH, EVERYBODY OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S PICKING UP AFTER, UH, THE STORM THAT JUST HIT US. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT HARD WORK, UH, GET RESTORING OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT BE STAFF, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, GREEN HILL SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT HIT PRETTY HARD TOO. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING, UM, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SHARE IS OUR, UH, CITY MANAGER RAN A, UH, OUR, OUR PARTICIPATED IN THE AUSTIN MARATHON. AND HE DID, HE DID QUITE WELL. UM, TRIATHLON, PARDON ME, TRIATHLON. AND UM, AND, AND HE FINISHED IN THREE HOURS AND I THINK THREE MINUTES. UM, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE. AND, AND SO I GOT ONLINE THE OTHER DAY AND WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE STATS, UH, AND UH, THEY BREAK IT DOWN BY GENDER AND BY GROUP AND AGE GROUP AND WHATEVER. AND HE WAS, HE WAS IN THE TOP, TOP CATEGORY AND IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING TO THINK THAT DAVID WAS OUT THERE GOING AS, AS HARD AND FAST AS HE COULD FOR THREE, THREE HOURS NONSTOP. SO WE GOT A STRONG CITY MANAGER AND WAY TO GO. THAT'S REALLY GREAT. AND WE KNEW HIM WHEN. RIGHT, RIGHT. , ANYBODY ELSE? UH, I JUST DO, I DO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT, UH, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT DAVID MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE, THE STAFF THIS MORNING. BUT FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE COMMUNITY THIS MORNING JUST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAD A NUMBER OF DOWN TREES AND, AND, AND I SAW NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAD A, A, A TREE LIMB WEDGED AGAINST THE BACK DOOR AND THE NEIGHBOR WAS DOWN THERE WITH THIS CHAINSAW AND, AND HELPING HER OUT WITH THAT. AND SO I JUST LOVE SEEING THE COMMUNITY PULLED TOGETHER IN THAT WAY. AND I WENT OUT ABOUT BETWEEN NINE AND NINE 30 THIS MORNING. IT WAS STILL RAINING, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY POWER AT MY HOUSE. I COULDN'T HAVE BREAKFAST, I FORGOT I SHOULD GET OUT AND DO SOMETHING. SO I DROVE AROUND, I DROVE AROUND THE WHOLE TOWN AND I KEPT SEEING ALL THESE TRUCKS WITH THE BLUE DOT ON THE SIDE OF 'EM. THEY WERE EVERYWHERE. AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS OUT THERE. THEY WERE MAKING SURE THAT THE ROADS WERE CLEAR THAT EVERYTHING WAS HANDLED AND PEOPLE WERE SAFE. AND, UH, AND, AND IT WAS JUST, JUST SO GREAT TO SEE. UM, THE STAFF JUST JUST PULLED TOGETHER AND THEY WERE OUT THERE AND IT WAS STILL POURING DOWN RAIN. AND, AND I SAW ONE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, FIREFIGHTERS THAT HE WAS OUT THERE AND HE WAS DRENCHED AND, BUT HE WAS, HE WAS MOVING, MOVING LIMBS OUT OF THE STREET. SO I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE EFFORT FROM EVERYBODY ON THAT. AND THEN I KNOW EVERYBODY DEALING WITH, UH, THINKING ABOUT TASTE ADDISON THIS WEEKEND AND HOW WE, WE GOTTA GET THAT ALL FIXED UP NOW. SO, UH, JUST GREAT EFFORT ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO, UM, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? WELL, WITH THAT, IT'S 9 0 9, SO WE WILL ADJOURN FOR THE NIGHT. THANKS EVERYBODY. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.