[1. Call Meeting to Order]
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SO I'M GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[1. Consider action on the minutes from the April 18, 2024, Comprehensive Plan Advisory Committee Meeting.]
OF BUSINESS IS TO CONSIDER THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES THAT WERE CIRCULATED? ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[2. Present and discuss the Advance Addison housing typology materials. ]
TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOUSING TYPOLOGY MATERIALS.SO, KEVIN, GOOD EVENING, Y'ALL.
UM, QUICK JUST REMINDER, REMEMBER, WHENEVER YOU'RE SPEAKING TONIGHT, MAKE SURE YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON 'CAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN SOME COMMENTS THAT THOSE WATCHING OR LISTENING LATER CAN'T ALWAYS HEAR ALL OF THE, THE DIALOGUE.
SO MAKE SURE YOU DO THAT FOR ME.
SO, YEAH, AS SUE SAID, WE'RE GONNA TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOUSING TONIGHT.
UM, I DON'T NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS SLIDE.
YOU GUYS, UH, I THINK ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
UM, BUT I DID MENTION LAST TIME WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING HOUSING TONIGHT, THE END OF MAY.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT MOBILITY.
I THINK THOSE TWO TOGETHER ARE PROBABLY THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN ADDISON, UM, IN TERMS OF SEEING HOW, AND TALKING ABOUT HOW, UH, ADDISON'S GONNA EVOLVE INTO THE FUTURE.
BUT AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT FIRST ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL CONVERSATION, UH, HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT REAL REALITIES TODAY.
BASICALLY, WHAT, WHAT IS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT RIGHT NOW? WHAT, WHAT CAN THE MARKET ALLOW, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIP, UM, HOUSING.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME INPUT ACTIVITIES THAT THIS IS JUST THE START OF INPUT TO HELP US, UH, START TO WORK ON HOUSING TYPOLOGIES IN THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES, UH, IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UM, LET'S, LET'S KEEP GOING.
I THINK, I'M HOPING WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THROUGH THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE EIGHT O'CLOCK TONIGHT.
SO HOUSING IN ADDISON, WE KNEW GOING INTO THIS, THIS PROJECT REALLY EARLY ON.
WE, UM, EVEN BACK BEFORE THIS PROJECT STARTED, UM, I WAS HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT THE HOUSING CONVERSATION.
UM, THE TOWN HALL THAT WAS HELD, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, HOUSING FAQ DOCUMENT THAT'S, THAT'S OUT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SUMMARIZE IT JUST QUICKLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN GROWING INTEREST IN MORE OWNERSHIP HOUSING IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S THAT MUCH OPPOSITION NECESSARILY TO DENSITY.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES THAT THAT CONVERSATION, OWNERSHIP AND DENSITY SEEMS TO KIND OF GO TOGETHER IN A LOT OF PLACES.
I DON'T GET THAT SENSE HERE, UM, AS MUCH.
UM, SO GOING INTO THIS, WE REALLY WANTED TO USE THIS, UM, AS A, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO JUST HEAR YOU ALL TALK ABOUT YOUR INDIVIDUAL THOUGHTS ABOUT HOUSING.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS ON THE BACKEND, SOME EXERCISES THAT ARE GONNA HELP US KIND OF HONE IN ON WHAT TYPES OF, OF HOUSING AND BUILDINGS AND, AND THE AESTHETICS OF THINGS THAT, THAT YOU ALL LIKE.
UM, THIS IS THE TREND IN ADDISON.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR, UM, THE BETTER PART OF FOUR DECADES TO ADD OWNERSHIP HOUSING IN ADDISON.
YOU CAN SEE BACK IN 1980, IT WAS 5% SINGLE FAMILY AND CONDOS.
AND THEN THAT GREW ALL THE WAY IN 2013 TO 24%.
AND THEN HERE IN 2023, THAT'S DROPPED DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO 21%.
BUT, UM, THAT'S STILL, I THINK, FOR A COMMUNITY, THE SI OF THE SIZE AND CHARACTER OF ADDISON, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD, UM, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD MIX.
YOU HAVE SOME GOOD SINGLE FAMILY.
WE, LAST TIME WE WERE USING THE WORDS OF OASIS OR ENCLAVE OR, BUT YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD SINGER, SINGLE FAMILY KIND OF NODES OR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TUCKED, TUCKED INSIDE THIS, UM, MORE OF AN URBAN FEELING KIND OF COMMUNITY, WHICH, WHICH HAS MADE ADDISON UNIQUE, CONTINUES TO MAKE IT UNIQUE.
UM, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A STRONG INTEREST IN PRESERVING SOME OF THOSE, THOSE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP SPECTRUM, UM, THIS
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IS A, A GRAPHIC THAT WE PUT TOGETHER JUST TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES WHERE THEY TEND TO GO ON THE, THE OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENT SPECTRUM.UM, SINGLE FAMILY THERE AT THE TOP, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY, THEY'RE GONNA THINK, YOU KNOW, FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AREN'T RENTED.
WE'RE SEEING, I MEAN, THERE IS A HUGE, HUGE MOMENTUM SHIFT TOWARDS SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS.
AND IT'S DRIVEN BY AFFORDABILITY, UM, BECAUSE FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO OWN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT, THAT WE BUILT.
AND A LOT OF THAT COMES BACK TO LAND VALUES AND, AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON.
BUT, UM, BUT STILL TODAY, EVEN WITH GROWING SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS, WHEN YOU SAY SINGLE FAMILY TO MOST FOLKS, THEY'RE GONNA THINK OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE AMERICAN DREAM.
YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, OWNERSHIP, HOME.
UM, BUT SOME OF THESE OTHER TYPES ARE ALSO, UM, IN A LOT OF CONTEXTS, UM, ABLE TO BE OWNED, SEEN AS OWNERSHIP CONDO TOWERS, LIVE WORK TOWN HOMES.
AND THEN YOU START TO GET INTO THE, THE BOTTOM HALF THAT DOES SKEW A LITTLE MORE TOWARDS RENTALS WITH COTTAGE COURTS IN THE MIDDLE, DEPENDING ON HOW THOSE ARE DESIGNED.
THOSE CAN BE DESIGNED TO BE FOR RENT PRODUCTS OR THEY CAN BE OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, SENIOR HOUSING OWNERSHIP TYPE PRODUCTS.
UM, AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE HIGHER DENSITY, SMALL PLEX, FOURPLEX, ADUS, UM, MANY OVER AND URBAN APARTMENTS THAT ARE, THOSE ARE THE RENTALS AS WE, AS WE THINK ABOUT, UM, RENTALS TODAY.
UM, SO BEFORE, BEFORE I GET INTO THE, THE FEEDBACK AND THE VERY FIRST QUESTION THAT WE HAVE IS JUST FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO ENTER SOME THOUGHTS ON WHAT AREAS OF HOUSING THAT, UM, THAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS.
BUT I WANTED TO JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL, I KNOW SOME IN HERE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE HOUSING CONVERSATION.
SOME OF YOU ARE FOLLOWING IT, BUT NOT KIND OF REALLY VOCAL ON THE DIALOGUE.
AND THEN SOME OF YOU'RE KIND OF JUST STANDING BACK, JUST FOLLOWING AND, AND LISTENING.
BUT I WANTED TO GIVE THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED.
I KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST PROBABLY A THIRD OF YOU ALL THAT ARE FAIRLY, IF NOT VERY INTERESTED IN THE HOUSING CONVERSATION.
AND I WANTED TO GIVE SOME OF YOU ALL THE CHANCE TO JUST KIND OF SPEAK TO THIS GROUP, SPEAK TO OUR TEAM ON, KIND OF JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES.
DON'T, DON'T GO OFF ON 10 OR 15 MINUTES.
'CAUSE THEN WE WON'T BE OUTTA HERE BY EIGHT, LIKE
BUT TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE MAYBE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT MAYBE A, A WAY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS FRAME IT OF WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN RELATED TO HOUSING IN ADDISON TODAY, AND WHAT DO YOU FEEL, UM, AND WHAT DO YOU MAYBE WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTED PATH FORWARD? SO DON'T JUST COME TO ME WITH THE CHALLENGE OR THE PROBLEM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR PARENTS ALWAYS TAUGHT US OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, COME WITH A SOLUTION TOO.
UM, ANYBODY, ANYBODY WANNA START US OFF? SO I FALL INTO PROBABLY THE FORMER CAMP.
UM, SOME CONTEXT I GUESS IS IMPORTANT FOR ME IS TO RECOGNIZE THAT HOUSING, WHILE IT'S IMPORTANT IN ADDISON, FRANKLY, WE ARE A BUILT OUT CITY.
AND SO MOST OF THE FUTURE HOUSING IS GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED.
UH, THERE JUST ISN'T GONNA BE A LOT OF IT, WHETHER IT'S MULTI-FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY, WHATEVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO OBSESS OVER IT.
UM, I DON'T THINK, JUST AS A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE SEISMIC SHIFTS IN OUR STRUCTURE NO MATTER WHAT WE ALL THINK IN THIS ROOM.
UM, I THINK MOST OF THE HOUSING THAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED, WHETHER I LOVE IT OR DON'T, IS GONNA BE PROBABLY MULTIFAMILY FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A VALUE PROPOSITION, IT'S JUST A REALITY CHECK.
UM, HOW WE DEVELOP IT, HOW WE STRUCTURE IT, I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
UM, I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT FEE SIMPLE DEVELOPMENT, PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY THAT'S GONNA WORK IN ADDISON IS IF WE INCENTIVIZE IT GOING FOR INCENTIVIZE IT GOING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S A DECISION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT.
AND I KNOW IT'S ON ONE OF YOUR, UM, YOUR, UH, TAKEAWAYS, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S NOT A THIRD RAIL, THAT A LOT OF TOWNS DO INCENTIVIZE THAT.
AND IF WE AS A GROUP THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT EITHER AS A PATHWAY TO OWNERSHIP FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE SO THAT THEY CAN GET INTO IT AND THEN POSSIBLY WORK THEIR WAY UP TO A, A MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSE IF THAT'S THEIR DESIRE.
BUT TO ME THAT'S REALLY THE TOPIC WHERE I THINK WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE BEYOND THAT.
FRANKLY, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT HOUSING, UH, IS GOING TO BE A HUGE DRIVER OF ADDISON IN THE FUTURE.
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AND THAT'S MY, MY TAKE.THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START, DAVE.
UH, SO I THINK, UM, ACTUALLY AGREE WITH A FAIR AMOUNT OF WHAT, WHAT DAVE JUST SAID.
UM, ONE THING THAT I THINK MIGHT BE WORTH ACKNOWLEDGING HERE IS THAT DENSITY AND OWNERSHIP IS A FALSE DICHOTOMY, RIGHT? I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE ASSOCIATE, UH, DENSITY WITH, UH, WITH APARTMENTS AND I LOVE APARTMENTS, BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE NEXT 40 YEARS IN AN APARTMENT.
UM, IDEALLY IF I'M STAYING IN ADDISON, IT'S GONNA BE IN SOMETHING LIKE A TOWN HOME OR A, UH, OR A, YOU KNOW, A CONDO.
AND, UH, I DO WONDER, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND POINT OF MY THING TO ADD TO THIS, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL IN GENERAL AGREEMENT IS, YOU KNOW, IS HISTORICALLY STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED A LACK OF DEMAND FOR CONDOS.
AND IS THAT A CASE WHERE IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN INVERSE OF INDUCED DEMAND WHERE WE'RE NOT BUILDING THEM SO NOBODY'S THINKING ABOUT 'EM? UM, OR IS IT MORE OF A, WELL, IF WE BUILD SOME THEY WILL COME TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING MORE AND KIND OF GETTING SOME PERSPECTIVES ON.
OKAY, YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT, BUT LET'S KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING.
SO DENISE, I WANNA REPLY TO THAT, WHICH, 'CAUSE I, THIS IS MY WORLD.
WE LIVE IN ONE CONDOS HAVE EXPONENTIALLY MORE COST.
I MEAN, LIKE WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF THEM OF, OH, I DON'T HAVE A YARD TO TAKE CARE OF AND I DON'T WHATEVER, YOU'D HAVE HOA FEES THAT ARE SOMETIMES DOUBLE YOUR MORTGAGE, LIKE EQUAL TO THE MORTGAGE YOU'RE PAYING ON IT.
DALLAS, HISTORICALLY, I DON'T CARE WHERE IN DALLAS, IT'S NOT JUST AN ADDISON PROBLEM, IT IS A LIFESTYLE ISSUE HERE THAT THAT'S NOT, IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN A DRIVER.
AND, AND I'VE WORKED ON, IN THE LAST YEAR, I'VE WORKED ON A CONDO PROJECT THAT'S NOT SELLING OUT.
I MEAN, WHERE YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD, AND I'M TALKING LIKE UPTOWN, WHERE, WHERE YOU WOULD THINK NEXT CONDOS, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10 ARE HIGH RISE PRODUCT.
YOUR CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S AT THE TOP OF THE BAR, THAT'S LIKE BUILDING AN OFFICE BUILDING.
SO PSYCHOLOGICALLY, YES, IT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT PRICE POINT IN A CONDO IS TYPICALLY MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OTHER TYPES OF FOR SALE OWNERSHIP.
YEAH, WE, UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND, AND SEEN A LOT OF CONDOS GO UP, UM, YOU KNOW, FRISCO IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS AND THEY'RE EASILY 500, $800,000 FOR A SMALLER, FOR A SMALLER SPACE.
AND SOME OF THAT, SOME OF THAT'S RELATED TO THE CONTEXT OF WHERE CONDOS ARE BUILT, RIGHT? IF IT'S KIND OF SAME WAY AS APARTMENTS, IF YOU TAKE APARTMENTS AND YOU BUILD IT OUT IN THE BOONIE SOMEWHERE WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO ANYTHING, IT'S GONNA BE LOWER VALUE.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE EYES ON IT AND IT'S GONNA DECLINE.
IF YOU PUT APARTMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF ADDISON CIRCLE, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECOMES URBAN LIVING AND THE RENTS ARE HIGHER AND THEY'RE BETTER TAKEN CARE OF.
CONDOS TEND TO BE THE, THE SAME WAY BACK TO DAVE, WHAT YOU SAID.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT I WAS HEARING IN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH KEN EARLY ON AND AND OTHER STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THE LAND VALUES HERE ARE ABSOLUTELY BONKERS.
UM, AND SO IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, YOU HAVE THE COST OF THE LAND BEFORE YOU BUILD ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TO RECOUP IN, IN WHAT YOU BUILD.
AND SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, SO THAT AUTOMATICALLY SAYS, WELL, MULTIFAMILY OR HIGHER STORY, AND THEN YOU GET INTO WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU BUILD IN A MULTI-STORY BUILDING? AND MULTIFAMILY STARTS TO FALL IN THERE.
SO CONDO FLATS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IS THAT'S A POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING THAT COULD WORK.
YOU HAVE SOME OF THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE, UH, IN ADDISON CIRCLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER OF STORIES IS, BUT IF YOU JUST WANTED TO BUILD WITHOUT SUBSIDY AND BUILD SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LIKE CONDO FLATS IN A, IN A TOWER, YOU'RE PROBABLY EIGHT, 10 STORIES.
SO IT'S BACK TO DAVE'S POINT OF, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUE OR A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK AT THE END OF THIS POLL IS IF OWNERSHIP AND IF OWNERSHIP HOUSING OR EVEN OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING DOESN'T NECESSARILY JUST HAVE TO BE OWNERSHIP.
IT'S ANY TYPE OF HOUSING THAT IS DIFFICULT TO BUILD AND MAKE PENCIL FROM THE DEVELOPER SIDE WITHOUT BRIDGING THAT GAP SOMEHOW BECAUSE OF YOUR HIGH LAND LAND VALUES, UM, WHAT KIND OF INCENTIVES AND SUBSIDIES IS THE TOWN WILLING TO DO? HOW FAR ARE YOU WILLING TO GO TO GET OWNERSHIP HOUSING? UM, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE LATER ON, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT IN LIKE A PUBLIC CIRCULATOR OR PUBLIC TRANSIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE I, THE, I, I DO WANT TO INTRODUCE, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THAT WE GO THROUGH THAT VISION STORY EXERCISE AND WE TALK, TRY TO START TO THINK ABOUT THE ADDISON OF THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, WE, WE LANDED LAST TIME ON A WALKABLE AND CONNECTED COMMUNITY, RIGHT? IF YOU THINK ABOUT INVESTING IN A CIRCULATOR, YOU CAN TIE THAT BACK TO BECOMING A MORE WALKABLE AND CONNECTED COMMUNITY FOR EVERYONE.
IF YOU TALK ABOUT EXPANDING, UM, TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS TO BE WIDER, TO HAVE BETTER CONNECTIONS, TO HAVE BETTER SHADE, TO
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BE MORE COMFORTABLE, WHATEVER TYPE OF INVESTMENTS, YOU, YOU CAN TIE THAT BACK TO BEING A MORE WALKABLE AND CONNECTED COMMUNITY.INVESTING IN OWNERSHIP HOUSING IS A LITTLE HARDER TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU DON'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU DO STILL NEED FOLKS LIVING IN, IN ADDISON TO MAKE EVERYTHING, UM, EVERYTHING WORK.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE, THE WORK THAT TONY AND AND S HILL ARE DOING ON THE MARKET ASSESSMENT SIDE IS STARTING TO DIG IN A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE LAND VALUES AND WHAT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS SAYING ABOUT WHAT'S BUILDABLE AND NOT.
UM, SO THERE'S THE, THERE'S IS LAND AVAILABLE IN ADDISON TO EVEN BUILD, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY OR, OR OWNERSHIP HOUSING.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT THAT'S ZONED TO BUILD THAT.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A ZONING CHANGE RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
AND THEN THERE'S JUST THE MARKET, THE NUMBERS OF IT.
THE OTHER SIDE OF IT TO, TO THINK ABOUT IS JUST THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND WHERE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE GOING AND THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE OLD AND YOUNG THAT EITHER, UM, DON'T WANT OR CAN'T ATTAIN OWNERSHIP HOUSING, YOU KNOW, DUE TO, YOU KNOW, DUE TO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING A LOT OF THE, THE RENTAL DEMAND.
WHAT, WHAT I THINK ADDISON HAS, HAS ALREADY DONE WELL AND HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE OF IS BUILD A LOT OF THESE OTHER THINGS.
THERE'S SO MUCH CONVERSATION ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AND APARTMENTS.
AND IF YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY OR EUROPE, UM, YOU'LL SEE A BUNCH OF OTHER KINDS OF HOUSING THAT IT DOESN'T COMPROMISE QUALITY AT ALL.
IT'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF HOUSING THAT AT DIFFERENT AGES AND STAGES OF LIFE YOU CAN LIVE IN AND, UM, AND ENJOY.
AND ADDISON IS ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT, IF, IF YOU WANT A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME IN A, IN A LARGE YARD, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE MOVING HERE FROM WHEREVER ALL OF THE PEOPLE MOVING TO TEXAS ARE COMING FROM, ADDISON'S NOT GONNA BE AT THE TOP OF YOUR LIST, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE HERE FOR DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT REASONS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITY IS FOR ADDISON GOING FORWARD IS DO YOU, DO YOU DOUBLE DOWN ON WHO YOU ARE AND BECOME EVEN MORE OF THAT? BUT HOUSING IS A, IS A PART OF IT.
UM, I THINK DAVE AGAIN SUMMARIZED IT REALLY WELL THOUGH OF YOU HAVE LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES BEING MOSTLY BUILT OUT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPES YOU CAN BUILD.
YOU'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE MORE INTENSIFICATION OR GENTRIFICATION IF YOU WANNA SAY OF, YOU'VE GOT SOME PLACES THAT ARE TWO STORIES, AND OVER TIME THOSE MIGHT END UP GOING TO FOUR STORIES.
UM, OR YOU'VE GOT ONE STORY OR YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, A HOME ON A LARGE LOT AND YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT PUT IN THE BACK.
UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE GENTLE, GENTLE DENSITY INTENSIFICATION OVER TIME.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE, THERE'S A FEW PLACES IN TOWN THAT YOU MIGHT SAY, SCRAPE AND REDEVELOP.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA JUST KNOCK DOWN AND COMPLETELY REDO IT AND GO GO BIG.
UM, BUT IN MOST CASES AROUND HERE, I THINK IT'S, THERE'S CHARACTER HERE THAT THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE OR THAT ARE GONNA WANT TO, TO COME THERE ARE NOT GONNA WANNA SAY, NOT GONNA WANNA SEE BIG CHANGES OVERNIGHT.
UM, ANY, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I ONE MORE COMMENT TOO, THAT THAT'S A BIGGER ISSUE THING THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL HERE IS THERE'S A LOT MORE LIABILITY THAT COMES FROM THE DEVELOPER ON A CONDOMINIUM THEN THAT'S STATE OF TEXAS.
SO A LOT OF THEM WILL NOT COME HERE BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.
IT'S 10 YEARS THAT THEY CARRY LIABILITY.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S JUST A VERY BIFF DIFFERENT MINDSET FOR DEVELOPERS TO COME HERE.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT WAS VERY APPARENT WHEN THE LIGHT RAIL SILVER LINE, WHEN THEY PUT THE RFP OUT FOR IT, THEY HAD.
AND, AND THAT'S TO ME IS LIKE AN IDEAL SPOT FOR THAT.
THEY HAD ZERO CONDOR DEVELOPERS TO PUT IN FOR ANY INTEREST IN THAT SITE WHATSOEVER.
GREEN LIGHT THAT MICROPHONE ON AFFORDABILITY.
IS THERE A MARKET FOR CONVERTING SOME OF THE OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEXES INTO CONDOMINIUMS? I KNOW THERE'S SOME UP NORTH THAT HAVE ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS AND THEY COULD BE CONVERTED NICELY AND OBVIOUSLY THE PRICES WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES OUT THERE TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, THAT'S REDEVELOPING IN MOST OF NORTH TEXAS.
REDEVELOPING EXISTING STUFF IS NOT WHERE MOST DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA START.
THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE GREENFIELD LAND AND, AND SEE WHERE THEY CAN GO THERE.
BUT, UM, THERE'S ALSO, SOME OF THIS IS JUST A CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDISON.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW ADDISON WAS A LEADER BACK IN 1980 AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU STARTED TO DO ADDISON CIRCLE, UM, BEFORE ANY OF THIS WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT, UM, TO DENISE'S POINT I, THE CONVERSATIONS IN AUSTIN ABOUT HOUSING POLICY AND REGULATIONS AND FUNDING, THEY'RE STARTING, THEY'RE STARTING TO CHANGE AND IT, THERE'S, THEY'RE
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STARTING TO REALIZE THAT TO PAY, IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE STARTED ONE OF OUR EARLIER CONVERSATIONS IN THIS PROCESS ABOUT.BUT, BUT FOR CITIES TO SUSTAIN A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, YOU NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DENSITY TO PAY FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WHEN YOU BUILD TOO MUCH SPREAD OUT, YOU GET UPSIDE DOWN.
AND SO TEXAS IS STARTING TO FIGURE THAT OUT TO, EVEN THE MOST CONSERVATIVE FOLKS IN AUSTIN ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHILE WHAT DENISE SAYS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE TODAY, IT MAY NOT BE TRUE 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS ARE IN THAT SPOT.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE OUR TEAM TOO, WE'VE GOTTA STRADDLE WHAT WHAT ARE WE DEALING WITH TODAY, BUT ALSO THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD AND MIGHT OR PROBABLY COULD CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE YEARS AHEAD.
UM, AND YOU GUYS ARE IN THAT, THAT PLACE.
WHERE SHOULD THAT CHANGE? YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR POSITION TO TAKE ADVANTAGE, UM, OF THAT.
BUT THE FIRST STEP IS GETTING YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER INTERNALLY OF WHAT YOU WANT AND WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO INCENTIVIZE OR, OR NOT.
AND THEN AS THE STATE POLICIES START TO COME AROUND TO SUPPORT SOME OF THAT, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BUILD SOME MOMENTUM THERE.
WELL, AND JIM, JUST 'CAUSE I'VE WORKED FOR A COMPANY THAT WE'VE DONE THAT IN EARLY TWO THOUSANDS AND IT'S VERY POPULAR FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, LIKE IN A CALIFORNIA WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH MORE LANDLOCKED THAN WE ARE AND THE TRAFFIC IS SO MUCH WORSE.
WHEREAS HERE YOU CAN GO OUT A LITTLE FURTHER.
IT WAS BIG IN PHOENIX IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, IS THE GUY DOING IT HAS GOTTA BUY THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH JUST PUT IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL UNIT BASIS.
SO PUT IT DOWN TO WHAT YOU WOULD BUY AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
YOU KNOW, THOSE, THAT OLD STUFF IS IN OVER SIX FIGURES A UNIT ALREADY.
SO THEN THEY'VE GOTTA PUT A PRO AND THEN THEY GOTTA PROBABLY RENOVATE IT A LITTLE TO GET IT UP TO NEXT LEVEL AND THEN THEY GOTTA SELL IT.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A PRICE POINT OF WELL OVER TWO, PROBABLY 250,000 ISH.
WOULD TAYLOR, WOULD YOU FEEL TAYLOR KNOWS THE NUMBERS TOO? I I'M GUESSING TWO 50 AT LEAST MAYBE HIGHER THAN THAT.
YEAH, ROUND ROUND WAS GONNA COME.
THAT'S A VERY CHALLENGING PROPOSITION.
WE GET IT OFTEN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A, A RENTAL UNIT TODAY AND SOMEBODY PAYING AN AVERAGE RENT OF, YOU KNOW, $2,500 A MONTH VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO DO TO BUY AN APARTMENT, COMMUNITY REHAB IT, GO TO MARKET, PUT A CONDO MAP ON IT REGIME, AND THEN SELL EACH ONE OF THE UNITS, UH, SO THAT THE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS NOW ARE MAINTAINING THROUGH THEIR OWN HOA THE COMMUNITY AND PAYING THEIR OWN PROPERTY TAXES AND EXPENSES THAT YOU WILL TYPICALLY FIND, LOOK, DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS NUMBER, BUT IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE 25, 30% RANGE.
SOME OF OUR PEERS, I THINK UDR EVEN QUOTES SOMETHING EVEN HIGHER IN THE FORTIES WHERE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE AFFORDABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SAME EXACT PRODUCT THAT'S THERE IF IT IS A RENTAL VERSUS THE OWNERSHIP.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT PUZZLES ME.
WE'RE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT MARKETS WHERE WE SEE THIS ON THE, ON THE FOR SALE SIDE.
AND UM, IT HAS BEEN, IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.
THERE'S REALLY JUST ONLY A HANDFUL OF MARKETS OUT THERE THAT I'VE SEEN WHERE THE CONDO PRODUCT IS REALLY BEEN VIBRANT AND AND ROBUST.
AND ONE OF 'EM IS, IS FASCINATING TO ME 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T EXIST 20 YEARS AGO.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN AREA.
AND WHEREAS YOU'VE SEEN AN EXPLOSION AT THE UBER HIGH END WHERE YOU'VE SEEN IT HERE AS WELL, THAT APPEARS TO BE WHERE IT EXISTS.
INTERESTING ENOUGH, YOU FLIPPED A CITY LIKE CHICAGO THAT HAD ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS CONDOMINIUM CONVERSIONS BACK IN THE LATE SEVENTIES AND EARLY EIGHTIES WHERE THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEY TOOK APARTMENT UNITS TO OWNERSHIP AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING TODAY? THEY'RE GOING THE OTHER WAY.
AND WHY? BECAUSE THE REAL ESTATE TAXES ARE SO HIGH, THE HOA, THE UPKEEP AND THE ABILITY FOR INDIVIDUAL OWNERS IS MAKING IT REALLY DIFFICULT AND THERE'S JUST NOT A DEEP BUYER POOL FOR PRODUCT LIKE THAT.
SO I WOULD HEAVILY CAUTION THAT AS OUR, OUR STRATEGY.
BUT I DO THINK AS WE THINK ABOUT THINGS OVER TIME, UM, IF I CAN KEEP GOING, THAT WE DO WANT TO POSITION OURSELVES TO BE NIMBLE OR FLEXIBLE.
AND IF THAT HAPPENS, IF THERE IS A TAX LAW CHANGE, IF THERE IS SOME REASON WHERE PEOPLE ARE MORE INTERESTED THAN, THAN OWNERSHIP THESE UNITS, IF IN THE FUTURE WE DEMAND THE QUALITY AND THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT ENHANCES ADDISON SO THAT WHEN IT IS, OR IF IT IS CONVERTED TO OWNERSHIP, WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE IT.
YOU KNOW, IT WORKS, IT WORKS WITHIN THE GREATER F FRAMEWORK OF THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT IS WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS OUR ATTENTION IS THE UPFRONT QUALITY OF THE UNIT, THE OWNERSHIP, THOSE KIND OF THINGS CAN, CAN CHANGE.
UM, AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS OPPORTUNITY.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS RIGHT NOW, A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR US, LIZ, I GUESS,
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I GUESS THAT I APPROACH SO MANY THINGS FROM A COMMUNICATION STANDPOINT, BUT, UH, THERE'S A GREAT MISUNDERSTANDING AMONG PROPERTY OWNERS IN ADDISON ABOUT WHO LIVES IN APARTMENTS, UH, WHAT THEIR INCOME LEVEL IS, UH, WHAT KINDA SPACE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.AND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAVE HAD A VERY VIRULENT GROUP ANTI APARTMENTS.
AND MUCH OF IT IS ONE, A TOTAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE ECONOMICS OF BUILDING AND DEVELOPING PROPERTY OR, OR DEMOLISHING AND REBUILDING PROPERTY.
AND SECONDLY, IF YOU LIVE IN AN APARTMENT, YOU ARE MADE TO FEEL AS A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN BY RE BY PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND I HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I, WHEN I COME TO A PUBLIC MEETING AND INTRODUCE MYSELF, I INTRODUCE MYSELF AS ONE OF THOSE UNINVOLVED AWFUL APARTMENT RESIDENTS,
AND I DO IT PURPOSELY TO LET PEOPLE SEE THAT THERE ARE APARTMENT RESIDENTS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THIS CITY AND PAY ATTENTION.
AND IF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOCUSES ON APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTED BY A MAJORITY OF HOMEOWNERS.
SO AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, THERE WILL NEED TO BE AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS ABOUT WHO LIVES IN APARTMENTS THESE DAYS, WHAT THE RENTS ARE.
I REMEMBER WHEN TAYLOR'S PROJECT EMILY WAS GOING, THEY MADE A POINT OF, OF MAKING, OF SAYING WHAT THE INCOME LEVEL WAS FOR APARTMENT RESIDENTS.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT MANY HOMEOWNERS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT APARTMENT RENTS ARE THESE DAYS.
SO THERE'S TO, TO COME UP WITH A VISION PLAN, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY, THERE HAS TO BE AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS AS PART OF THAT BECAUSE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF OF LOCAL VOTERS ARE GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT.
AND UNLESS THERE IS SOME CLEAR, UH, PRESENTATION OF INCOME LEVELS IN NEED AND, AND DEVELOPMENTS COST.
WE NEED TO PLEASE EVERYBODY APPARENTLY.
UH, THAT'S REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK, LIZ.
AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, THE CONVER THE CONVERSATION HERE, WE, WE HEAR THIS IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT, THAT WE'RE WORKING OF.
THERE IS, THERE IS A BIG DISCONNECT RIGHT NOW OF BETWEEN HOMEOWNERS AND AND RENTERS.
AND IT, IT'S JUST GOTTEN INSANE THAT, I MEAN, A, A STARTER HOME, A STARTER HOME NOW IN NORTH TEXAS IS YEAR TWO 50 AND UP BECAUSE OF THE LAND VALUES AND A LOT OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING HERE THAT WERE HAPPENING IN, YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA AND OTHER PLACES 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO.
LIZ MICROPHONE,
UH, SO THIS, THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE COST OF HOUSING NOT JUST IN NORTH TEXAS BUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IS REALLY STARTING TO CHANGE.
AND I SAW, I SAW A GRAPHIC, UH, ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO FROM, FROM ANOTHER GROUP THAT WAS SHOWING THAT THE AVERAGE SIZE OF A HOME IN FROM LIKE 1980 TO TODAY HAS GONE FROM 1700 SQUARE FEET TO 2,800 SQUARE FEET AND YOU HAVE FEWER PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD THAN YOU DID BACK THEN.
SO WE'VE JUST DECIDED THAT WE CAN GO BIG AND WE CAN BUILD BIG ON BIGGER HOUSES AND BIGGER LOTS AND BIGGER ROADS.
AND THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF THE, THE STRONG TOWNS KIND OF SUBURBAN EXPERIMENT THAT I MENTIONED IN ONE OF OUR FIRST MEETINGS THAT WE'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO RECONCILE WHAT DOES ALL THIS STUFF COSTS TO MAINTAIN, NOT JUST TO
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GET IN, IN ON IT ON THE, ON THE EARLY END, BUT WHAT WE'RE FACING IN NORTH TEXAS.AND TAYLOR HIT, THIS IS IN TEXAS, OR IT MIGHT'VE BEEN DENISE TOO.
WE'RE JUST GOING OUT AND OUT AND OUT AND SOMEWHERE OUT ALL THE WAY TO OKLAHOMA OR LOUISIANA.
YOU CAN BUY A HOME FOR 175 ON A HALF ACRE LOT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE TODAY.
UM, BUT FROM A REGIONAL LEVEL, WHETHER IT'S WATER OR TRANSPORTATION, WE HAVE TO SUSTAIN THIS REGION AND WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR OUT.
UM, SO I EVAN, IF I, IF I COULD JUMP IN.
SO LIZ, YOU HAD ME RIGHT UP UNTIL YOU SAID IT WON'T BE ACCEPTED BY A MAJORITY OF HOMEOWNERS.
'CAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU THERE.
I I, I THINK WE HAVE TO DISTINGUISH LOUD AND BRASH FROM WHAT A MAJORITY MIGHT ACTUALLY FEEL.
UM, AND AND I AGREE WITH YOU, THERE'S A NEED FOR EDUCATION.
THE, THE PART OF THAT DIFFICULTY IS, UM, PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANNA BE EDUCATED, PEOPLE WHO WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THE FACTS, SAY NO.
UM, IT, IT SEEMS TO BE IN VOGUE, UH, SOMEHOW THERE'S BEEN SOME WIDER RANGING EXAMPLES OF IT.
UM, AND SO I AGREE THERE'S ALWAYS A NEED TO EDUCATE.
THE, THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU GET FOLKS TO LISTEN TO THE TRUTH, THE FACTS? YOU KNOW, THEY'RE QUOTING CRIME STATISTICS THAT AREN'T ACCURATE.
THEY'RE TOLD THEY'RE NOT ACCURATE AND THEY CONTINUE TO QUOTE THEM.
HOW, WHERE DO YOU GO WITH THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO WITH THAT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A KIND OF A SEPARATE ISSUE, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I THINK.
UM, BUT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE, THE BUY-IN, I MEAN THE, THE COMMUNITY IS NOT VOTING ON THIS PLAN.
THE COUNCIL IS VOTING ON THIS PLAN.
THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE ON COUNCIL.
HOPEFULLY THEY'LL VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE EDUCATED AND LISTEN TO THE FACTS AND MAKE THEIR DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS AND, AND TRUTH RATHER THAN, UM, BEING MISLED.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOUD DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN MAJORITY.
UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY FEELING ABOUT WHETHER SOMEBODY LIVES IN AN APARTMENT OR A TOWN HOME OR A, UM, A HOUSE OR A BIG HOUSE OR A SMALL HOUSE.
UM, IT, IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS TO ME.
WE HAVE, WE ARE 4.4 SQUARE MILES.
UM, WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP.
VERY LIMITED WHAT WE'RE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP AND THEN SOMEWHAT LIMITED, UH, NOT QUITE AS LIMITED, UM, AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE CAN REDEVELOP.
AND TO ME, OUR FUTURE IS UP NOT OUT.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS VERTICAL.
UM, THE, THE REALITY IS, UM, THAT, THAT TO REDEVELOP AND TO CREATE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE WALKABILITY, THAT HAVE, UM, THIS SORT OF, UM, UH, MULTI-USE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DRUG STORE IS THERE OR THE CLEANER OR WHATEVER TO CREATE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE ARE, THERE IS GONNA BE A MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT TO IT.
WE CAN SIT AND WATCH VACANT LAND OR WE CAN, UH, WE CAN DEVELOP IT.
THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND FOR HOUSING AND UM, AND I THINK WE CAN IMPACT THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, AND I THINK WE CONTINUE TO BE AT PRESENT.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME VERY EXCITING PROJECTS, UH, UNDERWAY.
SOME NOT SO EXCITING FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT FEE SIMPLE IS A PANACEA, GO TO THE END OF OUR BLOCK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
IT'S BEEN EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS NOW.
AND ARE THEY MAYBE HALFWAY DONE WITH THE FEE SIMPLE? NO, NOT EVEN HALFWAY DONE WITH THE FET SIMPLE AFTER EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS, IT IS NOT THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING.
THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING IS REALLY GOOD QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS IN PLACES THAT MAKE SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO BE NIMBLE ABOUT.
AND TO ME THAT MEANS DENSITY AND DENSITY IS GOING TO ALMOST ALWAYS INCLUDE SOME ASPECT OF MULTIFAMILY.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
AND AS KEVIN SAID, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BUY PROPERTY.
UH, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF MCKINNEY, UM, AND THEY HAVE LAND AND YOU KNOW, BIG HUGE HOUSE AND NICE PROPERTY AND LAND AND EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE IN, BUT THEY'RE IN UNINCORPORATED MCKINNEY.
OUR LOCATION IS AMAZING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO
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WE'RE NOT FOR EVERYONE, BUT I THINK OUR FUTURE IS UP, NOT OUT.I, I THINK, AND, AND I SEE AL JUST IN A SECOND, BUT THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER PARTS OF TEXAS THAT ARE, ARE NORTH TEXAS THAT ARE SUBURBAN, SPREAD OUT, AND THEIR NEXT LEVEL OF GROWTH IS TO BECOME ADDISON.
SO I MEAN, YOU'RE SEEING THE PLAN THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD OF SOME, SOME OF WHAT ADDISON BUILT 20, 30, 40 YEARS AGO.
I THINK THE NEXT VERSION OF ADDISON IS INCREMENTAL INTENSIFICATION.
SO YOU ARE GONNA GO, YOU ARE GONNA GO UP AND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THAT THRESHOLD WHERE WALKABILITY AND CONNECTIVITY REALLY BECOMES KEY TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF DENSITY THAT, THAT YOU NEED.
UM, MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT, QUALITY IS KEY IN ADDISON IN EVERYTHING.
THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, THE PUBLIC REALM, THE OUTSIDE OF BUILDINGS AND THE INSIDE OF BUILDINGS, SMALL DOES NOT HAVE TO MEAN POOR QUALITY.
SMALL DOES NOT HAVE TO MEAN POOR QUALITY.
AND SOMEHOW WE'VE GOTTEN IT IN OUR HEADS THAT BIGGER, BIGGER IS BETTER VALUE OR BIGGER IS MORE QUALITY AND THE VALUE PER ACRE STUFF THAT WE DO.
UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN, SAY YOU HAVE SOMEONE COMING OUTTA SCHOOL, THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR WHERE THEY LIVE FROM A DEVELOPER SIDE OR AN OWNER, UM, SIDE.
YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT THE PER SQUARE FOOT THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET.
BUT WE'VE GOT A, A SMALL DEVELOPER THAT WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH.
AND WHAT HE DOES IS SAY, WELL, THIS MARKET CAN PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA COMPROMISE QUALITY, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS SHRINK THE SIZE OF THE UNIT SO THAT I GET THE PER SQUARE FOOT THAT I NEED, BUT IT'S AFFORDABLE TO THAT PERSON IN IT.
AND I HEAR OVER AND OVER IN THESE PLACES, OH, WHO WOULD WANT A 500 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT? OR WHO WOULD WANT A A A 2000 SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS SPACE OR WHATEVER.
AND I'M TELLING YOU GUYS, THEY GO EVERY SINGLE TIME.
UM, BUT WE JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BUILD BIGGER.
BUT, UM, BUT QUALITY, WE DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE QUALITY.
AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN ADDISON? WHAT'S A TOLLWAY KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THE PLACES THAT ARE PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY TODAY, WHAT ARE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS LOOK LIKE 20 YEARS FROM NOW? ARE THEY STILL STRAIGHT UP TO SINGLE FAMILY? AND THOSE ARE THE, THE FEW PLACES IN ADDISON THAT YOU, YOU, YOU STILL MIGHT USE A CAR TO GET AROUND OR MAYBE THE CIRCULATOR NEEDS TO TOUCH SOME OF THOSE KIND OF AREAS, BUT YOU'VE GOT TOLLWAY THAT THAT COULD BE A CERTAIN KIND OF MORE INTENSE HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE URBAN VILLAGE THAT COULD BE KIND OF LIKE ADDISON CIRCLE AND A LOT MORE OF, OF THE COMMUNITY.
BUT, BUT HOUSING, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE'S, UNTIL SOMETHING CHANGES MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA, THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GONNA AFFORD HOUSING IS GONNA BE TO RENT.
AND IT'S BACK TO SOME OF WHAT TAYLOR WAS SAYING.
'CAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T, WE CAN'T BUILD, WE CAN'T MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK TO, TO BUILD MORE OWNERSHIP RIGHT NOW, EVEN FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
I MEAN THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING NEW SINGLE FAMILY STUFF IN FIRST AND SECOND AND THIRD GREEN SUBURBS GOING FOR 500, 600, 700,000.
SO TO NO ONE'S SURPRISE, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANGLE, BUT I WOULD, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID HERE IS ACCURATE.
I AGREE MOST STRONGLY WITH THE QUALITY COMMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IS A BIT MISGUIDED AND POINTLESS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE FUNDS VERSUS PUBLIC FUNDS AND I'VE BEEN IN THE MEETINGS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ANTI APARTMENT, I WANT THIS, I WANT THE CITY TO DO THIS.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE REACH INTO THEIR OWN POCKET TO MAKE A DECISION.
OKAY, SO WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE TOPIC OR TOPICS FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER? ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO INFLUENCE PRIVATE INVESTMENT DECISIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE? I THINK THE BEST WE CAN DO IS IMPOSE QUALITY STANDARDS THAT FIT WITH THE COMMUNITY VALUES.
BUT SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY A TRACK THE LAND AND REDEVELOP IT AND IT'S SITTING THERE EMPTY.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY ADDISON PARK AND PUT IN A 30 STORY HIGH RISE, I THINK THE CITY WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE SAM'S CLUB REDEVELOPMENT NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, IT WAS, I'M RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS WERE VERY AGAINST WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I'M NOT WILLING TO PUT UP MY OWN MONEY.
AND I HAVE BEEN, THIS IS STILL, YOU KNOW, A FREE ENTERPRISE MARKET THAT WE LIVE IN.
PEOPLE ARE FREE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.
AND YOU MAKE THE PURCHASE, YOU MAKE IT, YOU GO TO THE CITY, YOU GET THE PLANNING.
I MEAN, WHAT WERE WE GONNA SAY? NO, WE'D RATHER HAVE TO, TO, TO SUSAN'S POINT, I WANT TO LOOK AT A DILAPIDATED AREA OR YOU WANNA MAKE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AND ADD LOOKS NICE AND HAS BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE STAY AWAY FROM TRYING TO INFLUENCE PRIVATE INVESTMENT
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DECISIONS.AND I PREFER THAT WE STICK WITH WHAT PUBLIC DECISIONS CAN BE MADE USING PUBLIC FUNDS, CONNECTIVITY, WALKABILITY, CIRCULATOR, THOSE ARE ALL WONDERFUL USES FOR PUBLIC FUNDS.
MAKING DECISIONS ON WHAT KIND OF HOUSING INVESTORS WANT TO BUILD AND PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE UP OWNERSHIP OR RENTAL OF, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE TOPIC FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
I, I THINK LETTING, MAINTAINING QUALITY AND DEFINING QUALITY WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE DIFFERENT CONTEXT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT INVESTMENTS, WHEN WE GET BACK TO, I MEAN, NONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY ARE GONNA WRITE A CHECK, BUT TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE ESSENTIALLY YOUR MONEY, RIGHT? UM, BUT FOCUSING ON WHAT YOU CAN CONTROL AND WHAT YOU CAN GUIDE AND THEN LET THE MARKET DO WHAT THE MARKET, WHAT THE MARKET DOES.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOME OF WHAT THIS CONVERSATION, WE'RE KIND OF COMING FULL CIRCLE, BUT THE MARKET HAS BEEN BUILDING WHAT THE MARKET IS PREPARED TO, TO BUILD UNLESS THEY GET SOME KIND OF INCENTIVES OR, OR SUBSIDIES, UM, ELSEWHERE, IF I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE POLLS, BUT IF, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ONE THING, WHICH WAS THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY BIG DIVERGENCE FROM WHAT THE TOWN HAS ALWAYS DONE.
WE, WHEN A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, WE NEVER GIVE THE DEVELOPER MONEY FOR THE PRODUCT.
WHAT WE DO IS WE INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STREETS, 'CAUSE WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY OR A PARK.
SO WE HELP WITH THAT AND THEY PAY USUALLY THE MAJORITY OF IT AND WE GIVE THEM SOME MONEY.
SO THAT WOULD BE A BIG CHANGE IN LOSS.
YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE MEANING INCENTIVIZING THE, INCENTIVIZING A DEVELOPER AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER HOUSE TO HELP YOU WITH THIS.
YEAH, WE, WE HAVE NEVER DONE THAT, BUT WE HAVE INVESTED IN INFRASTRUCTURE AS TOM SAID, AND WE DID EXACTLY THAT.
HERE AT ADDISON CIRCLE, THERE IS SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT MIGHT ONE DAY BE PAID TO ADDISON GROVE, WHICH I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS NOT A GOOD DEAL, WAY TOO MUCH MONEY FOR THAT PROJECT.
BUT, SO WE DO SPEND MONEY, BUT AS TOM POINTS OUT, WE HAVE TO BUILD THOSE STREETS IN INFRASTRUCTURE ANYWAY.
BUT WE HAVE NEVER GIVEN TAX INCENTIVES.
AND I, AND I DO THINK IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF OUR DISCUSSION, BUT I DO THINK THAT PART OF OUR DISCUSSION IS AS WE SEE THE FUTURE OF ADDISON AS WE SEE MOVING FORWARD, THAT WE ARE, DENSITY IS OUR FRIEND DENSITY IS HOW WE'RE GONNA STAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TAXES VERSUS EXPENDITURES LINE.
AND THAT MAY CAUSE US TO INVEST IN SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT YEAH, WE DON'T GIVE TAX INCENTIVES AND THE QUALITY ISSUE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK ADDISON HAS HISTORICALLY DONE A VERY GOOD JOB.
UM, BECAUSE, AND THE, AND THE LAST POINT I WANTED TO MAKE TOO IS UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE COMING INTO AN AREA WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REDEVELOPING SOME OF THESE AREAS.
THEY'RE NOT COMING IN AND USING THE EXISTING ZONING.
SO THEY ARE ASKING FOR ZONING CHANGES AND THAT'S WHERE OUR CONTROL COMES IN.
AND WE'VE GENERALLY DONE IT AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, HAVEN'T WE? WHICH IS, YOU CAN'T GET MORE CONTROL THAN THAT, RIGHT? YOU CAN TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG TO MAKE THE BATHROOMS. YOU CAN TELL 'EM WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL TO USE, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY A CONTRACT BETWEEN YOU AND THE DEVELOPER.
AND YOU CAN BE AS CREATIVE AS YOU WANT IN DOING THAT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY ADDISON HAS, HAS HISTORICALLY, UM, DONE THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN AGREEING TO ZONING CHANGES.
SO I I I THINK, AND, AND I WANNA KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT BACK TO LIZ'S POINT OF, OF EDUCATION.
SO, UM, EDUCATION IS REALLY KEY WITH, TO US, WITH ANY OF THESE THAT WE DO.
AND, AND WE TRY TO, WHEN I INTRODUCED MYSELF AND OUR TEAM TO YOU ALL IN THE VERY FIRST MEETING, TALKED ABOUT THE FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY AND ALIGNING DEVELOPMENT WITH WHAT THE CITY AND RESIDENTS ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO PAY FOR.
THAT'S THE CENTRAL TENET OF EVERYTHING OUR FIRM DOES.
SO EDUCATION IS A BIG PART OF THAT.
WHAT WE STRUGGLE WITH SOMETIMES IS, IS FIGURING OUT, I CAN PROMISE YOU AT THE END YOUR DOCUMENT, THIS COMP PLAN DOCUMENT IS GONNA HAVE A LOT OF EDUCATIONAL CONTENT IN IT THAT ANYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY CAN GO BACK TO LATER AND LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S WALKABLE CITY MOBILITY KIND OF STUFF, OR HOUSING OR OTHER THINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST GONNA SPIT OUT THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE EDUCATIONAL STUFF ABOUT WHY THESE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS MATTER SO THAT SOMEONE THAT COMES FIVE YEARS AFTER THIS CAN GO BACK AND SEE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
THE DURING THE PROCESS, KIND OF THE TIGHTROPE WE HAVE TO WALK IS HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH DO WE USE COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO STAND UP AND PRESENT AND EDUCATE VERSUS
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GETTING INPUT.I WILL SAY THAT THE JUNE, THE JUNE MEETINGS, BOTH THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THE JOINT WORKSHOP THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE WITH COUNCIL AND P AND Z AND, AND YOU ALL TOGETHER, THE COMMUNITY MEETING IS GONNA HAVE SOME EDUCATIONAL CONTENT TO IT.
AND SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS I'VE, I'VE GOT IDEAS OF HOW TO BRING SOME OF THE HOUSING STUFF INTO IT AND, AND LIZ, A COUPLE THINGS THAT YOU SAID OR UM, OR THINGS THAT WE DEFINITELY WANNA PUT OUT THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE.
BUT UM, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE TO BE KIND OF BRIEF AND SUCCINCT AND CLEAR WITH WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING.
BUT AT THE, AT THE END OF THE THE PROCESS, THE, THE DOCUMENT'S GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE IN IT TO, TO FALL BACK ON.
UM, BUT I I I LIKE WHERE THIS CONVERSATION'S GOING.
I, I THINK JUST, JUST REITERATING OR OR CLARIFYING THAT THE, THE, THE QUALITY IS KEY.
LET THE MARKET KIND OF DO WHAT IT WANTS.
AND SO AS IT RELATES TO QUALITY, SOME OF THESE, THESE QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT BUILDING TYPOLOGIES AND UM, AESTHETICS AND, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE, ARE GONNA BE, UM, GONNA BE HELPFUL TOO.
IS THERE, DENISE HAS ONE MORE THING TO I JUST QUESTION MINI OVER.
IS IT WHAT I JUST TERMINOLOGY IS MIXED USE OR IS THERE THAT AGAIN, MINI OVER.
MINI OVER WHAT CAN, SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S MULTI-STORY WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS OVER, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR MIXED USE.
TAYLOR, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TWO OTHER THINGS IS ABOUT TO GO TO THE EXERCISE.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ASKED OF US.
'CAUSE I HEARD IT MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES.
UM, I WOULD CHALLENGE EVERYBODY TO, TO THINK THAT THERE ACTUALLY WILL BE MORE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS MORE LAND AVAILABLE FOR, FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH AND NOT TO MAYBE BE THINKING ABOUT IT, UH, UH, SO MUCH LIKE THE DISTRICTS AND THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT MUST GO HERE OR THERE AND JUST TRYING TO KEEP A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, OF AN OPEN MIND.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THE, THE CURRENT MARKET THAT WE'RE IN, BUT I AM A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF OFFICE SPACE, SUBURBAN OFFICE SPACE THAT WE HAVE HERE AND WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE OVER TIME.
PLUS JUST THE NATURAL AGE OF A LOT OF THESE ASSETS THAT REALLY ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE GOOD, GOOD CANDIDATES FOR, FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN THAT'S, IT'S HARD TO TAKE THOSE WORDS AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING FOR ME TO DO? BUT THAT THERE IS, THERE IS MORE LAND HERE TO REDEVELOP.
AND THEN SECONDLY, I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES AS SOON AS WE START TOUCHING ON THE, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT TOPIC FOR SALE, UM, TO ALSO BE A, A LITTLE BIT MINDFUL TOO OF THE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE COMMERCIAL BASE, WHICH IS SO CRITICAL TO ADDISON, THE EMPLOYERS THAT WE DESPERATELY WANT TO KEEP AND THE RETAIL THAT WE WANT TO KEEP HEALTHY AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND, AND HOW DOES OUR PLAN AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING, WHAT'S GONNA BEST SUIT THEM LONG TERM.
YEAH, AND, AND I, I KNOW I KEEP SAYING LET'S GO TO THE POLLS, BUT THEN THE, THIS CON THIS IS REALLY GOOD AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF TO, TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THE, THE MARKET ASSESSMENT AND WHAT TONY AND AND S HILL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AND WHAT, UM, I WAS HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, ADDISON HAS REALLY BENEFITED FROM, YOU KNOW, A HIGH COMMERCIAL BASE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVING TO HERE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY OR TO WORK AND THEN THEY DRIVE ELSEWHERE, RIGHT? WHERE THE TRENDS ARE STARTING TO GO ARE MORE OF THESE WALKABLE, COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR STUFF.
THEY WANNA LIVE, WORK, PLAY CLOSER TOGETHER.
AND SO YOU'VE SEEN THAT WITH LEGACY AND LEGACY IS STARTING TO SUCK SOME OF THAT ENERGY THAT ADDISON HAD, YOU KNOW, AWAY.
AND SO WHEN WE, AGAIN, BACK TO THE WALK, I, I REALLY LIKE THE WALKABLE AND CONNECTED COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA START TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M NOT THE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THIS, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE HOUSE HILL AND WHY, WHY WE HAVE FOLKS LIKE TAYLOR ON THIS AND, AND ABBY AND, AND OTHERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE, THE CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE IS MORE AND MORE DEMAND FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT GET THAT MORE OF THAT WALK UP TRAFFIC AS OPPOSED TO THE DRIVE TO, BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE SOME OF THOSE BIGGER BUSINESS AND THINGS THAT, THAT ARE THERE ON THE TOLLWAY THAT ARE STILL GONNA BE KIND OF A COMMUTE TO KIND OF PLACE, UM, AS WELL.
AND I, I JUST THINK THAT THAT WALKABLE CONNECTED WITH HAVING THE TRANSIT STATION HERE AND HAVING ALL THE ROADWAY ACCESS THAT YOU DO, YOU, YOU'VE GOT ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT.
UM, BUT, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS DEFINITELY MORE DRIVE TOWARDS THESE MIXED USE PLACES THAT WANT TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE THERE 24 7.
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST COME IN AND DO YOUR THING AND LEAVE, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE LIVING CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, TO TO THOSE
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PLACES WHETHER IT'S WHERE YOU WORK OR UM, OR SHOP.UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE OTHER THING TAYLOR BROUGHT UP THE REDEVELOPMENT, ANOTHER MAP THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING EITHER, IT'S EITHER GONNA BE A PRESERVE, PRESERVE, ENHANCED REDEVELOP OR A SPECTRUM OF CHANGE MAP.
I WOULD AGREE WITH TAYLOR THAT MOST OF ADDISON, OUTSIDE OF MAYBE YOUR STRAIGHT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS IS ON THE TABLE FOR SOME KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT.
WHETHER IT'S INCREMENTAL, KIND OF SMALLER, PUTTING MORE STUFF ON SOME PARKING LOTS ALL THE WAY TO, UM, IF A DEVELOPER SEES THE MARKET FOR IT.
I, I THINK THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT COULD SCRAPE AND REDEVELOP AND I, I DANGLED THIS A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO AND IT'S GONNA, I'M GONNA PUT IT FRONT AND CENTER IN THE MOBILITY CONVERSATION.
I THINK BELTLINE ROAD IS A HUGE, HUGE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AS A COMPLETE STREET AND YOU SLOW CARS DOWN AND YOU MAKE IT A PLACE TO DRIVE TO INSTEAD OF DRIVE THROUGH ALL THOSE, ALL THAT WHOLE AREA OF THAT CORRIDOR WHERE IT'S BELTLINE ROAD AND THEN A BIG BLANK PARKING LOT AND THEN THE BUILDING'S OFF OF IT.
I THINK ALL OF THAT COULD BE REDEVELOPED WHERE YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT UP ON THE STREET, UM, WITH WIDER SIDEWALKS AND STREETSCAPE AND ALL, ALL OF THAT STUFF.
AND IT REALLY, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DRIVE IS TRYING TO GET TO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
ADDISON'S WHAT DID FOUR POINT WHATEVER, SQUARE MILES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO VERY FAR TO DRIVE AROUND ADDISON.
AND SO THAT TO ME, THAT'S LIKE THE LEGACY PROJECT HERE OF REALLY WHEN YOU BECOME A TRUE WALKABLE CONNECTED COMMUNITY, YOU'VE CONVERTED BELTLINE TO MORE OF THAT PEOPLE FIRST INSTEAD OF CAR FIRST.
THAT'S, THAT IS OUT THERE, BUT IT IS, YOU GUYS ARE ONE OF THE PLACES THAT HAS THE RESOURCES TO DO IT.
IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S, YOU, YOU, YOU TRANSFORM BELT, THAT'S ONE WHERE IF YOU TRANSFORM THE, THE CORRIDOR, ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ALONG IT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE THAT HAS TO HAPPEN TOGETHER.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A COUPLE EXAMPLES IN THE MOBILITY MEETING OF WHERE SOME OF THAT'S BEEN BEEN DONE.
YOU GUYS READY TO ANSWER SOME POLL QUESTIONS? DO WE, ARE WE AT A GOOD PLACE? ANY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER BIG CONCERNS OR THINGS YOU WANT TO PUT OUT THERE BEFORE WE GO TO POLLS? DENISE? OKAY, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY PULL OUT YOUR CELL PHONE AND GO TO GO TO MENTEE.COM.
ALL RIGHT, PROBLEM CHILDREN, PULL OUT YOUR CELL PHONES.
DENISE,
TOM, ARE YOU NOT, YOU CAN SCAN THE CODE YOU WANT GET MY PHONE? YEAH, BRING, BRING TO BRING.
WE, WE KNEW SOMEBODY WAS GONNA OH, LONG SCAN THE WE START, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU, SO EV RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE IN TWICE
OKAY, CATHERINE, HELP ME OUT HERE.
SO THEY SCAN WHEN THEY'RE READY TO ANSWER THIS ONE.
OKAY, SO THIS ONE, WHAT'S GONNA HAVE, THIS IS OPEN-ENDED.
YOU CAN ENTER WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND WHEN WE'RE DONE, IT'S GONNA CREATE A WORD CLOUD FOR US SO WE CAN SEE SOME OF THEM ARE, MOST, MOST OF THEM ARE, THIS FIRST ONE IS INTENTIONAL.
THIS FIRST ONE IS INTENTIONALLY OPEN-ENDED FOR, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ONE QUESTION THAT GAVE YOU GUYS WITH BIG IDEAS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHO IT'S, WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT'S COMING FROM.
SO ALL OF THE RESPONSES ARE ANONYMOUS.
HOW DO WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
SUE, YOU'RE DOING THIS TOO, CORRECT? SO WE HAVE FOUR.
DO WE HAVE 14? YEAH, WE HAVE 14 PEOPLE HERE.
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IT'S PRETTY COOL, ISN'T IT? HOW WAIT, 28 RESPONSES.OH, PEOPLE ARE ADDING MORE WORDS.
SO IT'S A RESPONSE FOR EACH WORD THAT THEY ADD.
SO TWO PEOPLE PUT IN THE SAME WORD.
THE, THE MORE A WORD, THE MORE A WORD IS ENTERED, THE BIGGER IT'S GONNA GET IN THE CLOUD.
DO, DO, DO ONE? WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD FELLOW, WHAT WOULD FELLOW P AND Z MEMBERS SAY GET TO THE NEXT, DOES CATHERINE, DO THEY HAVE TO ENTER THREE BEFORE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE NEXT QUESTION? OKAY.
SORA, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE STILL GOING ON THIS ONE.
ALL RIGHT, ONTO THE SECOND ONE.
AND THIS IS WHERE I GOTTA USE MY LITTLE MOUSE THINGY.
OKAY, SO RANK THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT FROM ONE TO 10, WITH 10 BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT, HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS THAT NEW HOUSING SHOULD BE OWNED LOCALLY, NOT RENTED? YOU GOTTA GET MY NEXT QUESTION.
I HAVE TO FOR EACH OF THESE NOW I'VE GOTTA, I'M GONNA QUEUE IT UP AND THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
NOW NEW HOUSING, THAT'S BE IMPORTANT, BUT IT AIN'T POSSIBLE OWNED LOCALLY.
IS IT JUST OWNED VERSUS RENTED? IT'S IT'S BASICALLY OWNED.
NO, YOU'RE STILL, YOU STILL MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE THAT, UM, IS LOCAL AND OWNS IT, BUT THEY RENT IT OUT, BUT IT'S LOCAL OWNERSHIP VERSUS SOMEONE LIVES HALFWAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND OWNS IT.
YEAH, AND I WILL SAY TOO, EVERY, WITH EVERY ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CONTEXT AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
EVERYBODY DONE? SO 4.4 0.2 IS THE FINAL ANSWER.
SO WE HAVE ONE EXTRA TWO OVER HERE THAT'S PULLING IT.
ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY NINE, NINE OR 10.
HOW DO I ADVANCE TO THE NEXT ONE? NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS ADVANCING IT TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
OKAY, SO THIS GETS TO, THIS GETS TO THAT CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING ABOUT USING TAX DOLLARS, UH, TOWN MONEY TO INCENTIVIZE CLOSE THAT GAP TO GET, UM, TO GET OWNERSHIP.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS ONE.
IT'S JUST A SIMPLE YES, NO, SHOULD, SHOULD TOWN'S COUNCIL INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING, TYPOLOGIES, THAT TREND TOWARDS OWNERSHIP.
WE GOT, WE GOT 14, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO I'VE BEEN INFORMED WE MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE AT HOME WHO ARE DOING THIS AS WE GO.
WE'LL GIVE IT JUST ANOTHER MINUTE.
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OKAY.SO WE GOT 11 NOS AND FOUR AND FOUR YESES.
OKAY, SO NEXT ONE IS, SHOULD THE TOWN, SHOULD THE TOWN COUNCIL INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT OF MARKET CONSTRAINED HOUSING TYPOLOGIES SUCH AS SENIOR HOUSING? SO THIS, THIS BASICALLY MEANS, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF THOSE HOUSING THAT, THAT IS DIFFICULT HOUSING, OPPORTUN HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO BUILD, UM, WITH THE MARKET RIGHT NOW.
SO IT IT COULD BE OWNERSHIP, IT COULD BE, UM, THE INTENT OF THIS QUESTION IS STILL, IT'S KIND OF ANOTHER WAY TO GET AT ANYTHING THAT THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO HELP SUBSIDIZE TO, TO GET IT BUILT.
SO THIS IS LESS ABOUT, THIS IS LESS ABOUT OWN VERSUS RENT AND MORE ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES.
YOUR QUESTION INCLUDE INFRASTRUCTURE QUESTION, JUST THE REAL ESTATE.
THIS IS JUST THE REAL ESTATE, NOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE ASSUMPTION WITH ALL OF THESE IS, THIS IS JUST RELATED TO THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, NOT THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE OR STREETSCAPE,
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK TODAY WHO I THINK MAY BE WATCHING AND PARTICIPATING WAS MORE CPAC.
HE'S ASKING MORE, DO WE WANT PUBLIC, DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY DO THIS? OH, OKAY.
TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE A, LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC MEETING AND STUFF, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY? WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT YET, BUT IF, UM, IF YOU ALL AND STAFF FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY DO IT AS LONG AS THE QUESTIONS ARE, ARE THE YEAH.
MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, WELL MAKE THEY'RE SAME, BUT MAKE SURE THEY'RE CLEAR.
LIKE, LIKE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, WE, THIS IS JUST ABOUT PHYSICALLY THE BUILDING AND NOT SURE.
AROUND, I MEAN, THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARER TO THEY AREN'T HERE FOR THE REST OF THIS CONVERSATION WHEN THEY'RE THAT'S FAIR.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S ALWAYS REALLY INTERESTING.
SO WE STILL, WE GOT OUR SAME 17 THERE.
CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE FOR ME? OKAY.
SO THIS ONE I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.
WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER, BUT, BUT THE MORE YOU KNOW, THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE IN AN AREA, THE MORE BUSINESS YOU'RE GOING TO GET.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE ADDISON OF, OF LOOKING BACKWARDS HAS BEEN FOLKS COMMUTING.
A LOT OF FOLKS COMMUTING TO ADDISON.
IN THE FUTURE, IT'S GONNA BE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO LIVE AND WORK CLOSER TO WHERE THEY ARE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS AND VARIABILITIES HERE, BUT IF YOU WORK WITH ME ON THAT ASSUMPTION THAT TO RETAIN AND ATTRACT BUSINESSES OF THE FUTURE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE FOLKS LIVING CLOSER IN ADDISON OR CLOSER TO ADDISON.
UM, HOW MUCH SHOULD THE HIGHER DENSITY PRODUCTS BE PRIOR BE PRIORITIZED? SO THIS IS A YES MEANING, AND WHEN WE SAY THAT THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PRIORITIZING IT ACROSS THE WHOLE ADDISON, NO.
WOULD BE, DON'T PRIORITIZE IT.
AND THE THIRD OPTION THERE IS ONLY PRIORITIZE THE HIGH DENSITY IN THE AREAS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR TOLLWAY, YOUR BELTLINE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
WE'RE MISSING ONE TO GET TO OUR 17 THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING.
MINTY METER OR MINTY.COM IS WHERE YOU CAN, OKAY.
SO WE GOT NINE YESES, TWO NOS, AND SIX ONLY IN AREAS WHERE COMMERCIAL IS CONCENTRATED.
OKAY, SO THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, THE LAST QUESTIONS HERE AND GETS AT THAT INCENTIVE.
WE'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT, UM, THIS IS JUST TRYING TO EVALUATE WHERE YOU GUYS ARE IN TERMS OF THE FIRST QUESTION THERE.
IF, IF THE TOWN HAD TO PICK BETWEEN INCENTIVIZING
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SOME HOUSING OR IT'S THE FIRST ONE THERE, PARKS AND TRAILS, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT ONE? AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS, IF YOU HAD TO PICK BETWEEN HOUSING INCENTIVES OR SOME KIND OF PUBLIC TRANSIT, UM, INVESTMENT, WHERE ARE YOU, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION AT THE JOINT WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL AND PZ THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL OF THESE TOGETHER.ULTIMATELY THE BUDGET IS, IS A COUNCIL CONVERSATION.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS, IS WHERE IF THE TOWN HAS, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO SPEND, WHERE ARE YOU AT IN TERMS OF INVESTING IN IMPROVING BIKE AND, AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY? WHERE ARE YOU IN INVESTING IN THAT CIRCULATOR, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF MAKING THE TOWN WALKABLE TO THE OLDER DEMOGRAPHIC ESPECIALLY, AND THEN WHERE, WHERE STAYS IN THE TOWN? YOU'RE SAYING LIKE, WE'RE NOT TALKING LIKE A SHUTTLE, THAT WE GO TO CARROLLTON TO BRING PEOPLE, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S, I INTENTIONALLY SAY INTERNAL CIRCULATOR ON PURPOSE.
OF HOW, HOW DO YOU, PART OF MAKING, I MEAN, IF YOU READ, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WALKABLE, WALKABLE CITY PART OF IT, PART OF MAKING ADDISON MORE WALKABLE AND CONNECTED IS YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR EVERYONE.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE, IT MIGHT BE A 10, IT MIGHT BE A 10 MINUTE WALK OR A 10 MINUTE BIKE RIDE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS, BUT SOME FOLKS AREN'T GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO OR WANT TO DO THAT.
AND THE, THE CIRCULATOR REALLY CLOSES THAT GAP OF HOW SOMEONE COULD REALLY LIVE ANYWHERE IN ADDISON AND GET AROUND.
THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE VISION THERE WOULD BE MOST PEOPLE IN ADDISON COULD GET AROUND EX COMPLETELY WITHOUT A CAR IF THEY WANTED TO.
AND YOU CAN'T SAY THAT FOR HARDLY ANYWHERE IN, IN NORTH TEXAS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE RAIL.
YOU'VE GOT THE RAIL THAT GIVES YOU AC AND IT, IT'S TO AND FROM MADISON, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET DIRECTLY TO AND FROM DFW AIRPORT AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR LOCAL AIRPORT.
SO MY, MY QUESTION, THIS FEELS LIKE IT'S BEING DIRECTED, MAYBE THAT'S TOO STRONG, BUT IT ISN'T A ZERO SUM GAME, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND FULLY THE RATIONALE FOR SAYING EITHER YOU DO IT FROM PARKS AND TRAILS, OR YOU DO IT FROM INTERNAL TRANSIT.
THE, THE COUNCIL HAS MANY, MANY BUCKETS TO PULL FROM.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC BUCKETS AT ALL.
YOU MEAN THE BUCKETS IN TERMS OF THE, THE THINGS TO SPEND MONEY ON OR WHERE THE, THE MONEY COMES FROM? WELL, YOU, YOU'VE, UH, YOU'VE CALLED OUT TWO VERY POPULAR ASPECTS OF WHAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WOULD SUPPORT.
AND YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, HEY, LET'S TAKE MONEY FROM THOSE TO DO HOUSING INCENTIVES.
THE REALITY OF IT IS HOUSING INCENTIVES COME FROM MANY, MANY BUCKETS.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT, IF WE WANTED TO GET A SENSE, WE BASICALLY WANTED TO CONFIRM WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS, IS IF, ARE THERE FOLKS IN HERE OR ARE THERE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE VERY, VERY STRONG TO THE OWNERSHIP HOUSING CONVERSATION THAT THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVEN THE PARKS AND TRAILS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OR THE TRANSIT OPTIONS? THE, THE PARKS AND TRAIL ONE, I EXPECTED EVERYBODY TO BE ALL ABOUT PARKS AND TRAILS, BUT THE CIRCULATOR ONE IS A LITTLE MORE, I THINK A LITTLE, A LITTLE MORE UP FOR, UP FOR DEBATE.
JUST KNOW THAT LIKE, THIS ISN'T THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION BY ANY MEANS.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, ONE DATA POINT TO USE.
I THINK THE, THE WORKSHOP THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN JUNE WITH COUNCIL AND P AND Z TOGETHER, WHERE WE, WE TALK ABOUT IT IN A LITTLE MORE HOLISTIC STANDPOINT, UM, IS GONNA GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO DAVE WHAT YOU'RE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
AND AGAIN, LIKE THE CONTEXT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS TOO.
I MEAN THE, THE FOLLOWUP I'M GONNA HAVE TO ALL OF THIS IS AFTER, AFTER WE ANSWER THESE POLLING QUESTIONS IS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, TO RECAP WITH A LITTLE MORE CONVERSATION TO GIVE US SOME CONTEXT ON THESE LIKE, LIKE WHAT DAVE JUST SAID.
BUT YEAH, GO TO THE NEXT ONE FOR ME.
WELL, THAT'S THE END OF THE MINTY METER POLE
UM, THE LAST THING, DO WE HAVE, DID WE PASS OUT SHARPIES FOR YES.
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH SHARPIES FOR EVERYONE? PERFECT.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO GRAB YOUR, UH, GRAB YOUR HANDOUTS, YOUR HANDOUT, YOUR LITTLE PACKET.
SO I'M GONNA LEAVE, I'M GONNA LEAVE THIS SLIDE UP HERE FOR, FOR REFERENCE.
SO THIS IS OUR PLACE TYPE MAP.
CAN I GRAB ONE OF THOSE HANDOUTS JUST SO WE CAN,
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OKAY.SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, UH, A SERIES OF SHEETS.
THE FIRST ONE SAYS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
UM, ON EACH OF THESE SHEETS, YOU'RE GONNA BE A, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A SERIES OF IMAGES THAT ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF, UH, OF TYPOLOGIES.
THERE YOU'LL SEE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES, STORIES, AESTHETICS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE THROUGH WHATEVER LENS YOU, YOU WANT.
UM, THE INFORMATION ON THE RIGHT THAT, UH, OWN VERSUS RENT AND THE HIGHER INTENSITY, LOW INTENSITY FOR EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES.
THERE'S A DOT THAT KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THIS, WHERE THIS TYPOLOGY GENERALLY FALLS IN THE, THE OWN VERSUS RENT SPECTRUM AND THE HIGHER TO LOWER INTENSITY OR DENSITY.
UM, THE FIRST GRAY BOX, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT PART OF THE PAGE WHERE THAT SAYS, IN WHAT PLACE TYPES DOES THIS HOUSING TYPOLOGY BELONG? WHAT WE WANT YOU TO DO THERE IS LOOK AT THIS CODE UP HERE FOR THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE TWO OR THREE LETTERS FOR EACH ONE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, WHEREVER YOU SEE THIS PRODUCT BEING RELEVANT, WE WANT YOU TO WRITE THE, THE INITIALS FOR EACH OF THOSE PLACE TYPES.
SO IF YOU FEEL, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT FITS IN RESIDENTIAL LIVING, I HOPE BOTH ALL OF YOU WOULD SAY A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED FITS THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE BOTTOM RIGHT PART, SEE A BOX THAT SAYS, IS THIS A TYPOLOGY FOR WHICH WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE MORE DEVELOPMENT OR LESS? YOU JUST NEED TO CIRCLE MORE OR LESS.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR NAME ON THIS.
UM, GIVES US THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU LATER.
UM, IF YOU WANNA STAY ANONYMOUS WITH YOUR FEEDBACK, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
SO YOU'LL SEE EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES OF SINGLE FAMILY, ADUS, COTTAGE COURT, ET CETERA TO WORK THROUGH.
AND JUST IF YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND THEN ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS EXERCISE, I'VE JUST GOTTA A QUICK WRAP UP ON NEXT STEPS AND DATES AND THEN WE'LL GET OUTTA HERE.
UH, MUL BUILDING THE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU CAN, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THEY ARE APPROPRIATE IN DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES, FEEL FREE TO JUST ABBREVIATE LIKE RL AND HUC.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO JUST GO IN ONE SINGLE PLACE TYPE.
THE, THE PHOTOS WE WANT YOU TO CIRCLE ANY OF THE PHOTOS THAT YOU FEEL LIKE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR ADDISON IN THAT TYPOLOGY.
SO ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FACTOR IN IF WE THINK A ZONE COULD BE A REDEVELOPMENT AREA TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE IN THIS OR NOT? AT THIS, IN THIS EXERCISE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS.
SO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, ALL WE'RE ASKING YOU IS DO YOU FEEL LIKE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED? WHICH PLACE TYPES DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT FITS IN? BUT WHAT I'M, THAT'S GONNA HELP US IN FRONT.
BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS INWOOD CORRIDOR COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMEWHERE FOR IT TO BE REDEVELOPED.
SO AM I SUPPOSED TO ALSO PUT YES, CAN'T A AI CAN'T WHY NOISE CONTOUR FOR RESIDENTIAL? YEP.
NOT FOR ALL OF THE IN IS IT FOR ALL OF THE INWOOD COURT? VERY TIP OF IT.
I I, I THINK, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LEVEL THAT WE'LL GET THROUGH WITH, WITH OUR ANALYSIS.
BUT TO ANSWER DENISE'S QUESTION, PUT WHEREVER, WHEREVER YOU THINK THIS COULD FIT IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE PART OF THIS EXERCISE IS GOING TO HELP US INFORM THE REDEVELOPMENT KIND OF STUFF.
IF IF NOBODY SAYS SINGLE FAMILY IN, YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT AREA, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA THINK ABOUT, I MEAN YOU CAN'T PUT SINGLE FAMILY THERE, BUT HEY KEVIN, AM AM I ALLOWED TO SAY NOWHERE FOR ANY OF THESE? LIKE LEAVE THE YEAH, IF YOU LEAVE IT BLANK, THAT IMPLIES INDICATE YOU DON'T THINK IT FITS ANYWHERE.
AND THE, THESE PICTURES TOO, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTENTIONAL OF, WE, WE THINK SOME OF THESE FIT RIGHT IN THE WHEELHOUSE AND SOME OF THESE ARE KIND OF A STRETCH, BUT AS WE START TO GET A LITTLE MORE FEEL OF WHAT, WHAT ADDISON LIKES WHEN WE BUILD OUT THE FINAL DOCUMENT, WE'LL HAVE MORE PHOTOS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT, THAT FOLKS LIKE HERE.
SO LESLIE, THE VERY, VERY BOTTOM OF I, I KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE THE AIRPORT, AND IF ANY OF YOU, IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ON THE PLACE
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TYPES OR NEED A REFRESHER ON WHAT THOSE WERE, JUST LET ME KNOW.HIGH INTENSITY IS THE TOLL ROAD, RIGHT? HIGH INTENSITY IS, YEAH.
IT'S THAT, IT'S THAT PURPLE ALONG, MOSTLY ALONG THE TOLL ROAD.
I WAS LIKE, I FORGOT TO MENTION THE PICTURES.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU WANNA PUT YOUR NAME ON THERE NOW WHEN YOU'RE DONE, JUST RAISE YOUR, RAISE YOUR HAND UP AND CATHERINE CAN COME GRAB IT.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT OFF OF THIS, BUT IN FACT IF SO, WHERE DID IT GO? YEAH, SO FOLKS WHO NEED TO, NEED TO GET UP AND LEAVE HERE, THIS IS ALL I WAS GONNA SAY ON THE WRAP UP IS WE'VE GOT MAY 19TH, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE, THE VIRTUAL ROOM, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE GETTING SOME INPUT ON THE, THE PLACE TYPES AND SOME OF THOSE VALUES.
COMMUNITY IDENTITY, UH, VISION STORY.
MAY 30TH, WE'VE GOT OUR MOBILITY CONNECTIVITY DISCUSSION.
UM, MAY AND JUNE WE'RE WORKING INTERNALLY AND WITH STAFF TO START TO BUILD OUT MORE OF THE, THE MAPS AND, AND PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS ON SOME OF THE CATEGORIES.
THESE DATES, THE HELP ME, JADE, THE COMMUNITY MEETING IS STILL GOING TO BE ON JUNE 26TH, SO MAKE SURE YOU PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
THE JOINT P AND Z COUNCIL WORKSHOP WITH CPAC IS, WE'RE, WE'RE EXPLORING OPTIONS.
IT COULD EITHER BE, I THINK THAT, THAT MONDAY THE 24TH OR THAT MIGHT PUSH TO INTO JULY.
SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF CONFLICTS WITH THAT 27TH DATE.
SO MAKE SURE IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN IN THAT VIRTUAL ROOM AND GIVEN US US FEEDBACK THERE ALREADY, MAKE SURE YOU DO THAT.
AND THEN PLEASE TELL YOUR CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AND NETWORK TO GET ON THERE AND GIVE US SOME INPUT THERE AS WELL.
DID WE EVER FINALIZE THE VISION STATEMENT? SO IT IS IN THE VIRTUAL ROOM RIGHT NOW? IT IS, LET'S CALL IT DRAFT FINAL, UNLESS, LIKE IF IT GOES OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE GET 75% THUMBS DOWN ON IT, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
SO IF YOU'RE DONE, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
UM, ARE YOU DONE KEVIN? I'M, I'M DONE.
IF, UH, IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO'S HERE WANTS TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING, UM, NOW IS THE TIME YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING? ANYBODY? GOING ONCE? GOING TWICE.