Mar 19, 2024 Planning & Zoning Commission Work Session

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GOOD BOY, GOOD EVENING.

I CALL TO ORDER

[1. Call Meeting to Order]

UM, LET'S SEE,

[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]

KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN.

UH, WE ARE APPROACHING THE END OF OUR HOLIDAY LULL AND ACTIVITY, SO NO ACTIVE OR RECENT CASES.

UM, RESULTS, UH, FROM CITY COUNCIL ACTION TO PRESENT TONIGHT.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE WITH THE, UH, ADVANCED ADDISON 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I'VE HAD SEVERAL, UH, CPAC MEETINGS.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE TOMORROW NIGHT, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THE DRAFT VISION STATEMENT FOR THAT PROJECT.

SO STAY TUNED IF YOU, THAT IS A ITEM OF INTEREST FOR YOU.

AND THEN WE RECENTLY ALSO HAD A JOINT MEETING OF FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE PROGRAMMED FOR APRIL 30TH, UH, WHICH WE'RE EXCITED TO PRESENT AGAIN, DISTRICTS AND USES.

SO, UH, THAT IS ALL FOR UPDATES FOR TONIGHT.

UH, I, I SHOULD HAVE WELCOMED THE NEWEST COMMISSIONER TO THIS AS ED COPELAND OFFERS TO GO BY EJ.

CORRECT.

DID I GET THAT RIGHT? THAT WORKS.

OKAY.

THAT WORKS.

WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

UH, AND ZACH FAIRCLOTH RESIGNED EFFECTIVE EARLIER THIS MONTH, SO WE'LL BE GETTING HOPEFULLY A NEW, UH, MEMBER NEXT MONTH AS WELL.

UH,

[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the March 19, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting: February 20, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Replat for Lot 1R, Block A of AIC (R2024-01/Addison Innovation Center (AIC)) Special Use Permit request for Westwood Montessori (1906-Z/14295 Midway Road) Rezoning request for Addison Circle Station - Phase 1 Amendment (1910-Z) Development plan amendment request for the office & parking structure at Addison Circle Station (1894-Z) Development plan amendment request for the multifamily tower at Addison Circle Station (1895-Z) 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Annual Report 2024 Planning and Development Work Plan]

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

MINUTES MEETING, MEETING MINUTES, TONGUE TIED.

UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY EDITS OR CHANGES TO THOSE? NOPE.

OKAY.

LESLIE, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING OR KEEP GOING? OKAY.

NEXT ITEM ON AGENDA IS THE REPL FOR THE LOT.

ONE R BLOCK A OF THE A IC ADDISON INNOVATION CENTER.

LESLIE LESLIE KNIGHT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

UH, THIS REPL IS FOR, UM, A, THE FORMER CALL CENTER LOCATED AT SIXTEEN SIX SEVEN FIVE ADDISON ROAD.

IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION, UM, THE SOUTH, UH, WEST CORNER OF ADDISON ROAD AND XCEL PARKWAY.

UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, CITY COUNCIL, UH, APPROVED A, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR THAT SITE TO CONSTRUCT TO, WELL, EXCUSE ME, RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, TO OFFICE WAREHOUSE AND CONSTRUCT A SECOND BUILDING, UM, TAILORED TO TO OFFICE WAREHOUSE SPEC SPACE.

UH, THEY ARE REPL THE PROPERTY TO SHIFT SOME OF THOSE EASEMENTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT SECOND BUILDING.

THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO MODIFY ANY, UM, PROPERTY LINES.

THIS IS, UH, SIMPLY ABANDONING A FEW AND, UH, REDEDICATING, UH, SOME UTILITY EASEMENTS ON SITE.

ANY QUESTIONS? LESLIE, CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT THE, UM, IF THERE WERE ANY TENANTS OR WHAT THE ACTUAL FOLKS THAT WILL BE IN THE BUILDING WILL BE? OF COURSE.

UH, SO AT THIS TIME, UH, IT'S STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S NO SPECIFIED TENANTS.

UH, IT WAS ENTITLED, UH, AND DESIGNED AS SPEC SPACE.

UH, SO THEY'RE ANTICIPATING, UH, IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE MULTI-TENANT.

IT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE A SINGLE USER BUILDING OR SITE.

UH, SO IT WOULD BE, UM, ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, NO LESS THAN THREE DIFFERENT USERS AND UP TO AS MANY AS, UM, SIX TO EIGHT USERS ON SITE.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING THAT OFFICE WAREHOUSE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THERE ARE, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT SPLIT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS IN THE, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH SPECIFY THE LIMITATIONS OF HOW MUCH, UH, NEEDS TO BE OFFICE AND, AND WHAT CAN BE WAREHOUSE.

IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE, UM, UH, STRICTLY WAREHOUSING.

IT'S REALLY MEANT TO FIT WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR AND MORE TAILORED TO, UM, KIND OF RESEARCH AND INNOVATION USERS, SUCH AS A COUPLE OF OTHER TENANTS THAT WE SEE, SUCH AS LIKE FIREHAWK AEROSPACE OR HEADS UP TECHNOLOGY.

AND DID THEY NOT KNOW ABOUT THESE UTILITIES MENS PRIOR, LIKE WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH THE FIRST TIME? UH, SO THIS IS PRETTY, UH, SO THEY DID, THEY WERE AWARE OF THEM AND IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR AS FAR AS THE PROCESS IS CONCERNED.

SO, UH, THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE CIVIL, UM, REVIEW AND SO ONCE CIVIL IS FINALIZED, THEY TYPICALLY START ON THE PLAT.

UH, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE TO REPEAT THE PROCESS MULTIPLE TIMES.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, MOVING ON TO USE PERMIT REQUESTS FOR WESTWOOD MONTESSORI.

DO I NEED TO READ ALL THE CASE NUMBER? LESLIE?

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I CAN GO AHEAD AND READ 'EM.

OKAY, NO WORRIES.

, UH, LESLIE NIGHT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

UM, THIS ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM THREE ON THE REGULAR MEETING AGENDA, WHICH CASE NUMBER, UH, 1906 DASH Z IS, UH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE, UM, REUSED, UH, FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL, WHICH IS A WESTWOOD SCHOOL.

UH, THEY, UM, THE SITE IS ADDRESSED AS 14 2 9 5 MIDWAY ROAD.

IT'S THE SAME SITE AS MIDWAY ATRIUM.

SO THAT'S A THREE BUILDING OFFICE CAMPUS.

THEY'RE FOUR STORIES TALL.

UM, WESTWOOD IS PROPOSING TO OCCUPY THE ENTIRETY OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

IT'S THE BUILDING THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO PROTON DRIVE.

UH, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE TWO CAMPUSES ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF MIDWAY ROAD IN FARMER'S BRANCH.

THEY HAVE A UPPER SCHOOL AND A LOWER SCHOOL CAMPUS.

UH, PART OF THEIR GOALS, UM, AND AND STRATEGIC VISION FOR THE SCHOOL WAS TO CONSOLIDATE BOTH CAMPUSES INTO ONE LOCATION AS WELL AS PROVIDE A REGULATION SIZE, UM, GYM OR ATHLETIC FACILITIES FOR THE STUDENTS.

SO, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.

UH, SO THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROPOSES, AS I MENTIONED THEM, OCCUPYING THE ENTIRETY OF ONE OF THE FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS.

UH, THEY WILL DO VERY MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THAT OFFICE BUILDING, REALLY JUST ADDING A COUPLE OF REQUIRED EMERGENCY EXITS FOR SOME OF THE CLASSROOMS. AND THEN THEY WILL BE DOING SOME INTERIOR RENOVATION, UM, TO TAILOR IT TO THEIR NEEDS.

AS FAR AS, UM, VARIOUS CLASSROOMS, THEY HAVE SOME SPACES LIKE INDOOR MOVEMENT SPACES.

UM, AND THEN FOR THE EXTERIOR, THEY ARE ON THE SITE.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD A GYM.

UH, IT'S ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND THAT WOULD BE LOCATED IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.

UM, THAT WOULD ALSO SERVE AS A STORM SHELTER FOR THE SCHOOL.

UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING A COUPLE OF OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND AREAS, UM, WHICH ARE TO THE DESIGN OF THOSE IS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE TOWN, UH, THE SCHOOL DOESN'T HAVE, UM, THE FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT THOSE IMMEDIATELY.

SO THOSE ARE TO BE, UM, TO COME IN THE FUTURE.

AND THEN, UH, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A PERIMETER FENCE, UH, FOR SECURITY, UM, AND SOME LANDSCAPING ENHANCEMENTS AS WELL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO.

OH, ONE MORE THING, SORRY, .

WE DID, UH, ASK THEM TO COMPLETE A TIA AND A, EXCUSE ME, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH THEY DID AND, UH, THE TOWN, UH, ACCEPTED THEIR, UM, TMP AND TIA.

AND WE DO HAVE, UM, OUR REVIEWER, UH, WITH COBB FINLEY HERE WITH US TONIGHT.

SO, UH, HE'LL BE AVAILABLE, UH, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS LATER ON.

SO IF WE HAVE JUST LIKE, ON THAT WHOLE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR DROP OFF AND PICK UP, JUST THAT'S WAIT TILL LATER AND KIND OF GO OVER IT, OR, UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM NOW.

YEAH, I JUST KIND JUST LIKE THE OVERALL FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND LIKE WHAT REALLY MORE OBVIOUSLY THE IMPACT ON PROTON AND HOW IT'S GONNA WORK.

AND I MEAN, IT'S NOT A BIG SCHOOL, LIKE IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT A HUGE DROP OFF PICKUP THING, BUT JUST KINDA HOW THAT'LL OF COURSE.

UM, GIMME JUST ONE SECOND.

I'M GONNA PULL UP THIS SLIDE.

COULD HAVE BEEN MY OLD EYES NOT SEEING THAT VERY WELL ON THERE.

ALSO, I WANNA NOTE JIMMY BARKER, THE OTHER COMMISSIONER IS ONLINE.

I DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THERE EARLIER.

SO, HI JIMMY.

HELLO EVERYONE.

I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION, CHRISTIAN.

I'M JUST LIKE, ALL RIGHT.

SO THE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IS, IS UP ON THE SCREEN.

UM, SOME THINGS THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO DO AND, AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE TOWN HAS PROVIDED AS WELL.

UM, THEIR PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND EXIT POINTS FOR THE SITE WILL BE OFF OF PROTON DRIVE.

UM, THEY WILL, THE SITE FOR THE OFFICE COMPLEX WILL STILL MAINTAIN ACCESS FROM MIDWAY THROUGH THE COMPLEX.

THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO, UM, PROHIBIT THROUGH TRAFFIC IN THAT DIRECTION.

HOWEVER, THERE WILL BE A SECURITY PERIMETER FENCING AROUND THE SCHOOL SO THAT WHILE WILL LIMIT SOME, UM, FREE MOVEMENT, UH, WHEN THE OUTSIDE OF A TYPICAL PICKUP AND DROP OFF HOURS.

SO, UH, THE EASTERN MOST DRIVE ON PROTON IS, UH, PROPOSED TO BE THE ENTRANCE AND IT WILL BE, UH, INTENDED TO BE AN ENTRY ONLY.

AND SO THEY WILL NAVIGATE SOUTH AROUND THE SITE, MEANDER AROUND, UH, THE GR UH, GYMNASIUM BUILDING AS PROPOSED.

AND THEN THERE WILL BE A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED,

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UH, THE QUEUING ON SITE IS ENOUGH FOR APPROXIMATELY 880 FEET, UH, WHICH IS 39 CARS.

UM, THEN THEY WILL NAVIGATE NORTH BACK TO PROTON DRIVE TO AN, UM, EXCUSE ME, A RIGHT OUT ONLY EXIT.

SO THERE WILL BE A SIGNAGE AS WELL AS A MOUNTABLE, UH, CURB THERE TO, UH, FORCE VEHICLES TO TURN RIGHT TO AVOID TURNING LEFT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, IT NEEDS TO MAINTAIN A MOUNTABLE CURB FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS 'CAUSE WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE FIRE TRUCKS WILL STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SITE.

'CAUSE THAT IS A FIRE LANE AS WELL.

DO YOU THINK, WILL THEY, DO THEY PROPOSE HAVING LIKE A, A TRAFFIC, SOMEBODY DIRECTING TRAFFIC FOR THAT, I GUESS WESTBOUND ON PROTON TO GET ACROSS THERE SO YOU DON'T BACK UP TRAFFIC POTENTIALLY ACROSS MIDWAY? SURE.

SO THERE IS NOT, UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S 880 FEET OF TRAFFIC, OR EXCUSE ME, OF STACKING PROPOSED TO BE PROVIDED ENTIRELY ON SITE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THE SECURITY FENCING IS SET BACK SO THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN ONTO THE SITE EVEN IF YOU WERE, FOR EXAMPLE, WAITING FOR THE GATE TO OPEN, YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO WAIT ON PROTON DRIVE TO ACCESS THE SITE.

UM, AND I, WE CAN, I'LL, I CAN CHANGE THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS, SORRY.

OKAY.

YEAH, THIS IS A GOOD, UM, EXAMPLE.

SO IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, THAT SITE PLAN, THAT'S WHERE THE CURSOR IS, IS WHERE THE GATE IS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S, UH, AMPLE AMOUNT OF ROOM FOR A CAR TO NAVIGATE ON THE SITE.

AND IF THEY NEEDED TO PARK, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY HALF THE PARKING IS ACTUALLY LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE, THE PERIMETER FENCE.

UM, SO THEY COULD STILL DO THAT.

ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE SITE PLAN, UM, NORTH IS, IS RIGHT BY THE WAY, ON YOUR SCREEN.

UM, THERE IS A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT THAT'S SHARED BETWEEN MA MIDWAY ATRIUMS AND THE CROWN PLAZA SITE.

SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY NAVIGATE INTO IT SOUTH THROUGH THAT LITTLE, I'M GONNA CALL IT A SLIP LANE AND, AND NEVER HAVE TO INTERSECT WITH THE, UM, THE SECURITY FENCING.

SO IN REALITY, IF SOMEONE, IF A, AN INDIVIDUAL WANTED TO ACCESS ONE OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, THEY COULD STILL DO THAT THROUGH THAT ACCESS LANE.

HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE AT THE SCHOOL? SURE.

SO THERE'S, THERE CURRENTLY HAVE 289 STUDENTS ENROLLED AND THEY HAVE A TODDLER THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

UH, THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITY AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY IS 385 STUDENTS.

AND WE, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE TIA AND THE TMP WERE BOTH EVALUATED AT CURRENT AND MAXIMUM CAPACITY.

SO WITH THE, KIND OF BACK TO THE QUEUING A LITTLE BIT, THE, WHEN WE DID EVALUATE THAT, THEY SHOWED A SER UH, SURPLUS OF QUEUING IN BOTH SCENARIOS.

DID THEY HAPPEN TO GIVE YOU A PERCENTAGE AS FAR AS, UM, IN THE HIGH SCHOOL, I GUESS THE JUNIORS MIGHT START DRIVING AND UP, SO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE STUDENT BASE WOULD BE DRIVING VERSUS AND NEED PARKING VERSUS THE JUST THE DROP OFFS? SO IN THE LETTER OF INTENT, UM, WHICH YOU CAN ACCESS IN YOUR ONEDRIVE ON THE THIRD PAGE, THERE IS A SPLIT OF, UM, EACH THE BY YEAR AND THEN BY STUDENT AND THEN NUMBER.

UM, BUT CURRENTLY I CAN TELL YOU THAT 15 OF THEIR STUDENTS DRIVE TO SCHOOL, 15 OF THE 289 STUDENTS DRIVE, THEY ARE PROJECTING, UM, BY 2033 TO HAVE 23 STUDENTS DRIVING.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY DO HAVE 55 FACULTY STAFF, UM, CURRENTLY EMPLOYED WITH THE SCHOOL.

UM, AS FAR AS THEIR INTENTIONS WITH STAFF, I'LL DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT.

AND WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE LIGHTS THERE AT PRO 10 AND MIDWAY IS SHANNON'S REVIEWED ALL THIS AND THEY'LL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

THAT LIGHT ALREADY BACKS UP BAD ENOUGH AS IT IS IN THE MORNINGS COMING OUT PROTON EASTBOUND ON PROTON.

GOTCHA.

SO, UM, THE ONE THING ABOUT THIS, UH, PARTICULAR APPLICATION THAT'S A BIT UNIQUE IS THE SCHOOL ACTUALLY USES THE SAME SIGNALED INTERSECTION ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.

SO IT'LL BE REVERSED OR FLIPPED.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING TOO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING, UH, AT THIS TIME IS THE FACT THAT THE MIDWAY ROAD CONSTRUCTION PRO RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IS ONGOING.

UM, AT THE COMPLETION

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DOES THAT INCLUDE THE CURB CUT THOUGH? BECAUSE THAT CURB CUT THAT THEY PUT ON NORTHBOUND TURNING LEFT ONTO PROTON ONLY HOLDS ABOUT THREE OR FOUR CARS CURRENTLY.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS MUCH SHORTER THAN IT WAS PRIOR TO THE ALL THE MIDWAY CONSTRUCTION.

I, I UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SPECIFIC POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS FROM THE PROTON STACKING WITH PREVIOUSLY.

AND WHAT THERE IS TODAY, IS STANLEY GONNA BE HERE LATER OR NOT TONIGHT? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE HE IS EXPECTED TO ATTEND THIS EVENING.

DO, IF THAT WAS STATE AS OFFICE BUILDING, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE TRAFFIC COUNT? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THEY ANTICIPATE TRAFFIC COUNT THEN? I'M JUST SURE.

UH, SO THERE'S THOSE FIGURES ARE ACTUALLY ON THE SCREEN.

SO, SORRY, GO BACK.

SO AT FULL CAPACITY, SO AT THE 385 STUDENTS, WHICH THE SCHOOL IS PROJECTING, UM, I BELIEVE THE BY 2033, UM, IS A 462 DAILY TRIP DECREASE THAN IF THAT BUILDING WAS, UM, OPERATING AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE, WHICH IS A VIABLE, YOU KNOW, OR A A, A SUCCESSFUL OFFICE BUILDING.

UH, THE OFFICE BUILDING IS, UM, JUST OVER 95,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO WITH THAT, USING THE ITT TRIP GENERATION STANDARDS, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING OVER 1400 TRIPS A DAY.

YEAH.

WHAT'S THEIR OCCUPANCY IN THAT OFFICE BUILDING TODAY? UM, I, WELL WHAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT RIGHT NOW? A HUNDRED PERCENT.

SO, OKAY.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SMALL PERCENTAGE.

I'M LIKE, OKAY, A PERCENTAGE XY BUT LESLIE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEP.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

CAN I, CAN I POSE A QUESTION? OF COURSE.

SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW DOES THE SCHOOL'S PRESENCE OF PLAZAS, UH, THE, THE NEXT, THE, THE NEXT TENANT WHO MOVES INTO THAT SPACE, HOW WILL THAT AFFECT THEM GETTING A LIQUOR LICENSE? UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TEXAS CERTAINLY HAS RESTRICTIONS ON YEAH, HOW CLOSE THEY CAN SERVE ALCOHOL TO A SCHOOL OR A CHURCH.

GOTCHA.

UM, SO I BELIEVE SO I DO KNOW THAT THERE, THOSE, THOSE THINGS ARE MEASURED A BIT DIFFERENTLY.

ONE OF THEM IS DOOR TO DOOR AND THE OTHER ONE I BELIEVE IS PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.

UM, I AM, I WOULD HA I'M TA WOULD HA NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT AND I CAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE REGULAR MEETING.

I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT INFORMATION OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY VITAL FOR THAT, FOR THAT SPACE, THE CROWN PLAZA TO, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE IN, IN THE FUTURE.

YEP.

I WILL GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.

I WILL HAVE THAT PREPARED AT THE REGULAR MEETING.

I, I WOULD OFFER THAT DEPENDS ON THE LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

UH, SORRY, I JUST TO RE RE REITERATE WHAT KEN JUST MENTIONED IS, UM, THE, IT WILL DEPEND UPON THE LAND USE AS WELL FOR THE FUTURE REUSE OR POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CROWN PLAZA SITE, OBVIOUSLY.

UM, CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THERE WOULD BE A, I I THINK MY POINT, MY POINT WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HARD FOR US TO, AS THE TOWN TO PITCH THAT, THAT SPOT TO A, A BIG HOTEL IF THEY WERE UNABLE TO GET A LIQUOR LICENSE.

UNDERSTOOD.

YEP.

I'LL PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE REGULAR MEETING.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

I'VE, I'VE DEALT WITH THAT BEFORE AND YOU'RE RIGHT, SOME OF IT'S PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE DISTANCE AND THERE'S OTHER ONE THAT WE, WE USED TO YEARS AGO IT WAS FOR LIKE FRONT DOOR TO FRONT DOOR.

SO YOU, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA CALL THEIR FRONT DOOR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND SO THE, THE EAST SIDE, WHICH, SO YOU GOTTA COME AROUND THE BUILDING.

I, I'M HOPING THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

'CAUSE I AGREE, EVEN IF YOU'RE RIGHT KEN, EVEN IF THE USE, BUT IF USE CHANGES, IF IT DOES SOME KIND OF TURNS INTO SOME KIND OF MIXED USE THEN THAT, THAT WHOLE PLACE GETS COMPLETELY CHANGED.

CHANCES ARE THEY, THEY WANT A RESTAURANT, IT'S ADDISON.

YEAH, WELL THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT IS A A QUESTION .

YEAH.

COURTHOUSE DOESN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE LIQUOR AT AT THE FRONT.

WE HAVEN'T REZONED THAT ONE FOR ALLOWING THAT HAVE WE, WHICH PROPERTY? THE COURTYARD ACROSS THE STREET, UH, WHETHER THEY HAD ALCOHOL, SALES, UHHUH, , REMEMBER THE, SOME OF THE HOTELS WE HAVE.

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OKAY.

KEN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON I I SOMETHING FROM ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS FOR TONIGHT.

I NOTICED THAT YOU HAD A, HAD A NOTE OR LESLIE DID, UH, ABOUT EIGHT INCH AND GREATER TREES THAT ARE BEING CUT DOWN HAVE GOTTA BE REPLACED WITH A MINIMUM SIX INCH CALIPER TREES.

AND THAT THAT'S WHAT THE PD OVER HERE, RIGHT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE REQUIRE? I MEAN, THEY'RE TEARING DOWN, THEY'RE TAKING, I WAS OVER THERE, THEY WERE TAKING DOWN SOME PRETTY BIG TREES ON FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS SCHOOL HERE.

IS IT THE SAME THING THERE OR HOW DOES, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS OR NO.

THAT THAT STANDARD IS UNIQUE TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE ADDISON, TOD.

UH, THAT IS NOT THE TOWN'S BASE STANDARD.

IT WOULD BE THE TOWN'S BASE, UH, TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE A FOUR INCH REPLACEMENT TREE, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD, UH, IN MUNICIPALITIES IN, IN THE REGION.

YEAH, I I MEAN I YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS PRETTY STANDARD AND WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR RATE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GREAT REQUIREMENT.

I, WELL, THAT'S, WE HAVE A LOT OF BAD STANDARD REQUIREMENTS WHERE I'M GETTING TO, BUT HOW, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, UM, THE MITIGATION RATE? WHAT DO WE GET FOR CPER INCH FOR IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA PLANT? I MEAN THERE'S A, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS, OFF TOP $192 PER INCH NOW.

AND WE BASE THAT OFF OF OUR EXISTING FEES THAT WE PAY WHEN WE'RE PURCHASING FROM OUR VENDOR FOR TREES.

I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE'D LOOK AT DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS PD OVER HERE.

MM-HMM.

AND, AND MAYBE DEPENDING ON HOW BIG A TREE IS, BECAUSE I SAW SOME OF THE EMAILS AND STUFF ABOUT THOSE, ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE'S, THERE IS SOMETHING TO THAT THAT RIGHT.

THAT A, A BIGGER TREE TO REPLACE IT WITH FIVE LITTLE TREES THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

SO YEAH.

AND I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, I WILL SHARE THAT ONE CHALLENGE WE RUN INTO FREQUENTLY IS, SO WHEN I STARTED HERE, THE ACTUAL TREE SIZE WE USED WHEN WE WERE FORCING PEOPLE TO UPSIZE REPLACEMENT TREES ABOVE AND BEYOND THE EXISTING CODE AND LIKE PD, UH, TYPE OF NEGOTIATIONS WHERE WE CAN BE MORE PRESCRIPTIVE.

WE WERE ACTUALLY USING EIGHT INCH, UM, EIGHT INCH.

WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SOURCE THOSE AND GET THOSE PLANTED, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE PROBLEMS. ONE, JUST EVEN BEING ABLE TO GET THE TREE SIZE AND TWO, UH, WHEN YOU'RE PLANTING THOSE IN AN URBAN CONDITION, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING.

UM, SO SIX INCH, UH, HAS SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN THE SWEET SPOT.

SO YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEN ADDING FEES ON TOP OF THAT AS WELL, SO YOU GET BOTH A LARGER TREE AND, UH, AND THEN FEES TO PLANT MORE TREES, UH, AROUND TOWN.

SO ABSOLUTELY WE CAN, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT FURTHER.

LIKE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA TALK LATER, WE'RE ABOUT MOVING TREES.

I KNOW THAT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME.

AND I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE IT'S A, MAYBE EVEN IT'S SOME SLIDING SCALE FOR WHAT, WHAT THE MITIGATION IS, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE DOING SOME BUNCH OF SMALL TREES, THEN IT'S 190 A CALIBER PER INCH.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS HAD TO GO REPLACE A PRICE UP AN EIGHT INCH TREE, IT'S WAY MORE THAN $190 AN INCH.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO MAYBE IT'S SOME KIND OF SLIDING SCALE TO HELP ENTICE THEM TO TRY TO RELOCATE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR REPURPOSE.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE GIVEN ENHANCED CREDITS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE RECENTLY, UH, TRANSPLANTED TREES.

SO THE AM EMILY TREE HOUSE WOULD BE A, PROBABLY THE, THE LOAN EXAMPLE, HOW THEY GOT ENHANCED CREDITS FOR THAT.

MM-HMM.

AND KEN, ALL OF THAT ONLY DEALS WITH, UM, UM, SPECIAL SPECIES.

LIKE, LIKE HACKBERRY AREN'T INCLUDED IN THAT.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

WE HAVE VERY EXPANSIVE, UH, VERY EXPANSIVE DEFINITION OF QUALITY TREES, BUT HACK BERRY IS, IS DEFINITELY ONE THAT DOES NOT FALL WITHIN THAT REALM.

AS A HACK BERRY OWNER, I ENCOURAGE THAT TOO, AS WHAT'S

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MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT.

WHAT'S THE FENCE MATERIAL THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THERE? YEAH, SO THE EXACT DETAIL HAS NOT BEEN DEFINED.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE PROPOSING A SIX TO EIGHT INCH, UH, IRON FENCE AS FAR AS THE, THE SPECIFIC DESIGN THAT WILL COME WITH A, THE PERMIT.

OKAY.

SO DO WE, IS THAT AN, DO WE HAVE TO NOTE THAT ON THERE? I JUST DON'T WANT TO COME IN THERE WITH CHAIN LINK OR SO, SO THEY WILL HAVE TO, UM, ABIDE BY OUR, UH, FENCE ORDINANCE WITH, WHICH IS JUST OUR STANDARD FENCE ORDINANCE, WHICH DOES PROHIBITS CHAIN LINK.

UM, THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY INTEND TO DO A, UH, BLACK IRON FENCE, SIX TO EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT.

CAN WE NOT PUT THAT ON THERE? I MEAN, THEY CAN ALSO TO MEET THE CODE, THEY CAN ALSO DO A WOODEN FENCE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

YEAH.

THREE YEARS FROM NOW THAT COULD BE FALLING DOWN.

SO I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD WANT TO DO OBVIOUSLY STEEL LESS MAINTENANCE AND STUFF, BUT YEAH, NO, THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE A CONDITION TO LIMIT IT SPECIFICALLY TO, UH, AN IRON FENCE.

UM, THEY'VE INDICATED TO ME THEY, THEY INTEND TO HAVE IT, UM, BLACK AND COLOR AND THEN ONCE AGAIN THEY'VE SAID THEY HAVEN'T NAILED DOWN AN EXACT DESIRED HEIGHT, BUT IT WOULD BE BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT FEET.

IRON BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT FEET IS FINE WITH ME, BUT YEP, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, ADD THAT AS A CONDITION.

WESTWOOD'S BUYING THE BUILDING, RIGHT? OR THEY, IT, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE SIGNED, UH, THE SCHOOL HAS SIGNED A 15 YEAR LEASE ON THE, THE BUILDING AND, AND THE SURROUNDING SITE, I GUESS.

OKAY.

I KNOW MY OTHER QUESTION IS, SINCE THEY'RE LEASING THAT BUILDING, I'M ASSUMING WE STILL GET PROPERTY TAXES ON IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SCHOOL, I MEAN PERSONAL PROPERTY, NOT 'CAUSE IT'S A SCHOOL, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD GET RIGHT, KEN? WELL, WE WOULD, I DON'T BELIEVE THE EXEMPTION WOULD COVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY.

LIKE SO THE OTHER TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS, WELL, I SURE IT WON'T COVER THOSE, BUT, SO THAT ACTUALLY FLOWS WITH THE, THE TENANT EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.

SO ARE YOU SPEAKING JUST TO THE LAND OR THE, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PER LIKE I UNDERSTAND PERSONAL PROPERTY INSIDE THE RIGHT, THE SCHOOL OR THAT WON'T BE TAXED.

THAT'S TAX EXEMPT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT AT VALOREM TAXES FOR PRISON, FOR THAT BUILDING SINCE, SINCE SOMEBODY ELSE OWNS IT.

SINCE A I I IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO RESEARCH.

SO THE OBVIOUS ONES THAT WE KNOW AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY IS GREENHILL AND, UH, TCA, THEY OWN THEIR PROPERTY AND IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS, SO THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR.

UH, WE WILL NEED TO DO THE RESEARCH ON THIS.

THE, THE TENANT SCENARIO.

YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU'RE GONNA, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE NEVER SEEN IT WHERE YOU CAN SUCCESSFULLY SEPARATE LIKE THIS, THIS LANDLORD, THIS, THIS ENTITY OWNED THREE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT.

AND IT, WHAT WOULD BE TAXABLE TO THE ACTUAL, UH, PRIVATE SCHOOL WOULD BE THEIR, THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY.

THEIR BUSINESS PROPERTY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD GET AN EXEMPTION WHEN THEY DON'T OWN THE, THE PROPERTY OR THE BUILDING.

I JUST, YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE, MAKE, YEAH, YEAH.

BUT WE'LL, WE'LL RUN THAT DOWN.

OKAY.

UM, WITH THE SCHOOL GOING IN ADJACENT TO, UM, WHAT WAS THE HOTEL, UM, THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ALREADY ALLOWS AL ALCOHOL, CORRECT? YES.

MM-HMM, .

SO THE, THERE IS A PD THAT COVERS THE, IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME PD THAT COVERS THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE NUMBER 6 25, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 1980.

AND THE HOTEL HAS ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCES FOR, UM, A, A RESTAURANT AND THE SALE OF ALCOHOL.

SO IF WE APPROVE THE IDEA OF THE SCHOOL GOING IN AND THERE IS A RESTRICTION ON THE DISTANCES AND IT, IT VIOLATES THAT DISTANCE, HOW, HOW DOES THAT GET RESOLVED? YEAH, SO EACH NEW BUSINESS, UM, SO ZONING IS OBVIOUSLY ONE COMPONENT OF IT.

AND HERE IN ADDISON WE DO REGULATE THE SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR ON OR OFF FROM ITS CONSUMPTION.

UM, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER, UM, PROCESS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND THAT'S A-T-A-B-C LICENSE THROUGH THE STATE.

UH, SO ULTIMATELY UNDER SOME OF THOSE APPLICATIONS, UH, THE, UM, APPLICANT HAS TO, UM, ESSENTIALLY SIGN AND AFFIRM THAT THEIR IN COMPLIANCE WITH TABC REQUIREMENTS, THERE ARE NO ACTIVE, UM, OR THE TOWN IS NOT AWARE OF ANY ACTIVE,

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SO ESSENTIALLY IF A NEW BUSINESS DID TRY TO OCCUPY AND THERE WAS A CONFLICT, WHICH, UM, I WILL DETERMINE IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE, UH, AT THAT POINT THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY BE DENIED A-T-A-B-C LICENSE.

OKAY.

SO OUR ACTION COULD ACTUALLY DETERMINE THE FATE CORRECT.

OF THE HOTEL.

THAT WAS JIM'S POINT.

YEP.

OKAY.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE MARKET HAS SPOKEN ON THE FATE OF THE HOTEL, UM, CANDIDLY, UM, I, THE TYPE OF HOTEL THAT WOULD TRY TO REVIVE THAT PROPERTY, I'M NOT SURE, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN'S VISION FOR HOSPITALITY USES MOVING FORWARD.

UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE A LODGING USE, UM, NO, NO, BUT YOU GOTTA FACTOR IN IF GROUND FOR RE RETAIL AND AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SENIOR HOUSING AND THEY WANNA HAVE, OR, YOU KNOW, AN ADULT FACILITY, WHATEVER, AND THEY WANNA HAVE SOME RETAIL COMPONENT IN THE GROUND FLOOR OR A RESTAURANT GETS, AND I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST TOO BIG OF A FACTOR TO NOT KNOW THAT ANSWER THAT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH.

BUT AS FAR AS LODGING USE, I, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A, A DESIRABLE FUTURE USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.

YEAH, I, I, I AGREE WITH DENISE.

I THINK IT'S MORE CHANCES IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING ELSE.

IT'S GONNA BE A MIXED USE THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANT PUT ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS IN THERE.

I'LL BE SURE TO GET YOU THAT INFO.

ALL.

OKAY.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS ISSUE? DIANE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT BE A CONDITION OR SOMETHING WHEN, IF WHEN IT COMES OUT ROUND TO VOTE? OR ARE YOU GONNA FIND OUT TONIGHT? LIKE I'LL FORWARD, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO SIT DOWN AND I'M GONNA DO THE RESEARCH AND I'M GONNA PRESENT YOU WHAT I FIND AT THE REGULAR MEETING.

PERFECT .

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? MM.

OKAY.

MOVING ON TO REZONING REQUEST OF ADDISON CIRCLE STATION, PHASE ONE AMENDMENT 1910 DASH C KEN.

THANK YOU.

KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN.

SO, UM, UH, WE SHARED AN ANNOUNCEMENT EARLIER WITH THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION, ALSO PUT THAT ANNOUNCEMENT OUT ON THE TOWN SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS TODAY THAT, UH, WE WILL BE ASKING YOU TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THESE ITEMS, UH, TO YOUR APRIL 16TH MEETING.

UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE REASONS WHY FOR THAT.

UH, ONE, UM, THERE, WHILE THIS APPLICATION IS VERY CONSISTENT AND REALLY, UM, COMPRISED OF A LOT OF SMALL CHANGES FROM THE ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY OF 2023, THERE IS ONE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, UH, AND THAT IS TO THE PROPOSED TREE MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.

UH, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN DETAIL TONIGHT.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, THE TOWN STAFF HAS, AS WELL AS THE CO-DEVELOPER TEAM HAS PURSUED A VERY AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE TO MOVE THIS APPLICATION FORWARD.

AND THE REASONING BEHIND THAT IS, IS SIMPLE.

UM, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DELAYED FOR SOME TIME AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT MOVES FORWARD, UH, NOW THAT WE HAVE A CO-DEVELOPER TEAM THAT WE BELIEVE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD, UH, IN THE DIRECTION THAT IT NEEDS TO GO WITH THAT.

UM, WE HAD A AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE FOR, UH, MAKING FINAL PLAN REFINEMENTS FOR INCLUSION IN THIS PACKET.

AND WITH THAT COLLIDING WITH SPRING BREAK, UH, FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE CO-DEVELOPER TEAM, UH, IT LEFT, UH, ROOM FOR A COUPLE SMALL ERRORS TO OCCUR.

SO WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE AND HAVE THOSE APPROPRIATELY COMMUNICATED.

UH, WHEN THIS ITEM GOES BACK BEFORE YOU, UH, ON APRIL 16TH, UH, THAT SPECIFIC ERROR RELATES TO THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TOWER.

UM, THERE WAS HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK ONGOING FOR THAT, UH, TO, UH, MAXIMIZE THE DENSITY AND SCALE OF THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE PROJECT, UH, ENUMERATED BY THE TOWN.

AND WITH THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY ENTITLED THE BUILDING TO BE 13 STORIES.

HOWEVER, WITH ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING ANALYSIS, ADDITIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THE BUILDING RELATES TO THE AIRPORT HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET IT UP TO 14 STORIES, UH, WITH THEIR INITIAL SUBMITTAL OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND THEN WITH THEIR MOST RECENT PLAN RESUBMITTAL, WHICH OCCURRED LATE FRIDAY, UH, THEY GOT IT UP TO 15 STORIES AND, UH, THEY DID NOT COMMUNICATE THAT TO ME, UH, WHEN THEY DID THAT.

SO A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WAS NOT COMMUNICATED AND SO IT WAS NOT COMMUNICATED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE REFLECTING THAT MOVING FORWARD.

UH, WITH THAT.

THEY ALSO HAD A SMALL CHANGE IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THAT BUILDING GOING FROM 2 78

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SO THAT WILL ALSO BE REFLECTED, UM, WITH THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

IN YOUR REGULAR MEETING MEETING, WE'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE DEEPER THAN I INITIALLY INTENDED TO GO.

UM, WHAT'S PROPOSED WITH THIS PROJECT IS VERY CONSISTENT, LARGELY WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT.

SO IT WASN'T MY INTENT TO KIND OF RE-LITIGATE THE POLICY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

UH, SINCE IT'S VERY SIMILAR, THE POLICY ANALYSIS THAT WE DID BEFORE STILL APPLIES, BUT TO GIVE FOLKS THAT MAY HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL PROCESS, WE WANNA COVER THOSE.

SO, UH, WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.

UH, WE'LL ALSO TAKE A, A DEEPER, UH, DIVE INTO THE TREE MITIGATION ISSUE.

AND SO WITH THAT I'LL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE ITEMS, UH, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS.

SO, UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, IT'S A VERY DENSE URBAN PROJECT.

UH, IT'S AT THE, A LOCATION IN TOWN THAT REALLY SUPPORTS AND NECESSITATES THE MOST URBAN OF PROJECTS.

IT'S OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS SERVED BY PUBLIC TRANSIT NOW, IT WILL BE SERVED TO A MUCH GREATER LEVEL IN 2026 WHEN THE SILVER LINE STATION IS ESTABLISHED.

IT ALSO IS, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE CAPSTONE OF A LARGE URBAN MIXED USE PROJECT, ADDISON CIRCLE, AND IT WILL SOON ALSO BE ADJACENT TO A REGIONAL TRAIL IN THE SILVER LINE, UH, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE COTTON BELT TRAIL.

SO WITH ALL THOSE CONDITIONS IN PLACE, IT WAS ESSENTIAL THAT ONE, WE GET A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT INCLUDES EMPLOYMENT, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, ENTERTAINMENT USES, AS WELL AS HOUSING USES.

AND THEN THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS ARE DENSE AND URBAN.

AND, UH, REFLECTIVE OF A, UM, UH, REALLY THE, A FOCAL POINT OF THE ADDISON CIRCLE PROJECT, BECAUSE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, IT IS MAXIMIZING THE USE OF THE LAND.

UM, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREES THAT ARE OLDER, UM, AND CHALLENGED IN TERMS OF HEALTH AND QUALITY.

YOU SEE THAT MORE, UH, IN THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.

YOU SEE A LOT OF HACKBERRIES, A FEW AMERICAN ELMS, UM, FRANKLY, UH, STAFF IS VERY CHALLENGED BY THE QUALITY OF THOSE TREES AND WHETHER THEY MERIT FURTHER CONSIDERATION FOR PRESERVATION, WE FEEL THAT GIVEN THE QUALITY AND THE TYPE OF TREES, LARGELY HACKBERRIES, THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MITIGATING THOSE AND REPLACING THEM WITH HIGH QUALITY TREES THAT CAN MATURE JUST LIKE MANY OF THE TREES IN ADDISON CIRCLE HAVE FOR THE LAST THREE DECADES.

THE CHALLENGING, GO AHEAD, TOM.

WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, TREE MITIGATION LATER, BUT WHEN WE HAVE THE, THE, I GUESS NEXT MONTH, CAN JANA BE HERE OR CAN YOU GET A REPORT? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW WE RAN INTO WITH SOME OF THE TREES ON MIDWAY WAS, YEAH, IT'S A, IT MIGHT BE A 10 INCH TREE, BUT IT'S, OR MIGHT'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IF YOU PLANT IT CORRECTLY, LIKE A LOT OF THOSE TREES ARE IN POOR CONDITION, NOT PLANTED.

RIGHT.

POINT BEING IS THAT IF WE PLANT A A FOUR INCH TREE WITHIN 10 YEARS, IT'S GONNA BE BIGGER THAN THE, THAN THAN ONES THAN A 10 INCH TREE THAT WE'RE TAKING DOWN.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.

SO THERE'S, THE QUALITY OF THE TREES MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TOO IN WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA TRY TO SAVE THEM OR RELOCATE 'EM OR, ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE'LL, I'LL ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IN THE PRESENTATION AND WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON IS WHERE WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CONCENTRATION OF QUALITY TREES.

IT'S THE FRONTAGE OF FESTIVAL WAY, SO THE SOUTHERN FRONTAGE OF FESTIVAL WAY.

THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT AREA IS IT WAS A, A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SITE.

UH, IT WAS PARTIALLY SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE AND FESTIVAL WAY AND, AND TREES WERE PLANTED ON, ON THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SITE QUITE INTENSELY, KNOWING THAT ONE DAY IT WOULD BE URBAN AND, AND, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD NOW, BUT NOT QUITE FULLY FLESHED OUT IN TERMS OF THE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE STREET EDGE.

SO WHERE IT'S CHALLENGING IS, IS NOW TO COME IN AND PROPOSE A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA HAVE A VERY URBAN STREET SCAPE AND THEN TO WORK AROUND A VERY DENSELY PLANTED ROW OF TREES.

THOSE ARE PLANTED 25 FEET ON CENTER.

THEY'RE SCHU MART OAKS, WHICH ARE FINE AS AN URBAN STREET TREE, BUT THEY'RE NOT IDEAL.

UH, WE'VE TRANSITIONED TO USING, UM, CATHEDRAL LIVE OAKS.

THOSE GROW MUCH MORE UPRIGHT.

UM, SO THEY'RE NOT QUITE AS DENSE AS THE SCHU MAR OAKS THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW.

UM, AND IT PROVIDES ONE FOR BETTER VISIBILITY

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UH, BUT THEN TWO, YOU RUN INTO LESS OF THE ISSUES OF TREES GROWING INTO EACH OTHER AND ESSENTIALLY CROWDING EACH OTHER OUT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AS A STREET TREE.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE CHALLENGE.

THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS THE EXISTING PARKING CONTEXT.

ON FESTIVAL WAY ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU HAVE MORE OF AN URBAN CONDITION, NOT NECESSARILY AN URBAN STREET, UH, SIDEWALK, BUT YOU HAVE URBAN CONDITION IN THAT YOU HAVE PARALLEL PARKING.

SO IT'S MUCH MORE COMPACT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, PROBABLY TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE PARKING NEEDS FOR ADDISON CIRCLE PARK THAT EXISTED AT THE TIME THAT ROADWAY WAS DEVELOPED.

YOU HAVE ANGLED PARKING, UM, AND ITS CURRENT CONDITION WHERE IT'S USED MORE FOR PARK USE FOLKS HANGING OUT THERE AT LUNCH TO TO EAT THEIR LUNCH OR TAKE A BREAK.

IT FUNCTIONS QUITE FINE, BUT IF YOU MAKE FESTIVAL WAY A VERY BUSY ACTIVE STREET, HAVING PEOPLE CONSTANTLY BACKING IN AND OUT ONTO A, UH, UH, A SMALL STREET LIKE THAT ISN'T THE MOST IDEAL URBAN CONDITION.

IT, IT KINDA IS MORE SUBURBAN OR MAYBE FEELS LIKE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.

SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, IS NOT QUITE THE CONTEXT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS VERY URBAN SITE.

SO THOSE ANGLED PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE RETROFITTED TO ALLOW FOR PARALLEL PARKING.

AND THEN WHAT THAT DOES IS IT ADD, ADJUSTS THE CURB LINE, WHICH THEN ADJUSTS THE RELATION OF THE STREET TO THE TREES AND WHERE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT CAN OCCUR.

SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY, THE TREES ARE ESSENTIALLY WHERE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT REALLY SHOULD BE ENGAGING THE STREET FRONT AND THE STREET EDGE TO HAVE A PROPER URBAN STREET EDGE.

THE ISSUE IS THE LAST TIME THIS PROJECT CAME THROUGH IN, IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OF 2023, THE, THE CO-DEVELOPERS PROPOSED TO TRANSPLANT A LOT OF THOSE TREES.

THAT'S A, A, A GOOD SOLUTION IF IT'S ECONOMICALLY VIABLE AND TECHNICALLY VIABLE.

UH, BUT THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE ANYMORE.

UH, AND SO THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE, UH, A TRANSITION FROM TRANSPLANTING TO REMOVING AND MITIGATING WITH THE SIX INCH CALIPER TREES.

UM, I, WHAT I WOULD SHARE IS IF THE TRANSPLANT ROUTE WAS PURSUED FURTHER, UH, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT, UH, THE COST OF THAT LIKELY WOULD BE BORE BY THE TOWN.

SO THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

UH, IT'S THE TOWN'S GOAL TO TRANSPLANT THOSE TREES.

THAT'S SOMETHING THE TOWN CAN CONSIDER.

UH, CITY MANAGEMENT IS AWARE OF THIS ISSUE AND THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT AS NEEDED.

BUT, UH, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE THINGS ARE NOW WITH REGARDS TO THIS ISSUE.

UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

HAVE, HAVE THEY, YOU KNOW, I COULD ASK THEM.

I MEAN, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO LIKE COST NOW AND WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AVENUES HAVE THEY LOOKED AT? YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER WHEN THE TOWN WAS BUILDING THEIR COMMUNITY GARDENS OVER BY THE ATHLETIC CENTER AND THERE WAS ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT DIFFERENT KIND OF TREES, BUT THEY WERE THOSE, UH, CYPRESS TREES THAT WERE RIGHT IN THAT WHOLE AREA THERE.

AND PART OF THE BID WAS SOMEBODY HAD BID SO MANY $10,000 TO CUT 'EM ALL DOWN AND TAKE THE STUFF OUT.

AND I SAID, WELL, I KNOW SOMEBODY HAS GOT A, YOU KNOW, TREE SPADE, A BIG TREE SPADE THAT, AND THEY WERE HAPPY TO COME IN AND DIG 'EM OUT FOR THE TOWN.

AS LONG AS THEY GOTTA KEEP 'EM, THEY DID IT FOR FREE.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY COULD DO THAT HERE, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT KIND OF, KIND OF THINGS THAT THEY LOOKED AT.

YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE THAT, UH, BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS FOUND, AND, AND THIS WAS ILLUSTRATED MORE, UH, WITH THE TREE HOUSE PROJECT, IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE TREE SPADE IS THE MOST TECHNICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY EFFICIENT PROCESS FOR TRANSPLANTING, HOWEVER, THAT PARTICULAR METHODOLOGY WORKS BEST FOR TREES THAT ARE 12 INCHES AND UNDER.

UM, WE HAVE SOME TREES THAT FALL INTO THAT REALM HERE, BUT A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE ON FESTIVAL WAY IS GENERALLY AT THAT NUMBER OR HIGHER.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE THAT METHODOLOGY BEING EMPLOYED, UH, ON FESTIVAL WAY.

THE, THE CHALLENGE, UH, AS WELL WITH THOSE TREES IF THEY WERE TO REMAIN IN PLACE AND DEVELOPMENT WAS TO GO AROUND 'EM IS YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL THE STREETSCAPE, THE UTILITIES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR AN URBAN STREETS SCAPE.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE DENSELY PLANTED TREES LIKE THAT AT THE STREET EDGE, IT'S

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UM, AND TO HAVE THAT ADDISON CIRCLE LIKE FEEL, UM, THAT YOU'D WANT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I THINK IT, CONVERSELY YOU SEE ON THE EAST SIDE OF QUORUM WHERE TREES WERE PLANTED AT THE ARAPAHO STREET EDGE AND THE, THE, UM, URBAN INFRASTRUCTURE WAS ALSO INCLUDED WITH THOSE PLANTINGS.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LOT MORE PRESERVATION FROM THE APPLICANT EAST OF QUORUM BECAUSE THEY WERE PUT IN TREE WELLS AND THE BRICK PAVERS WERE PUT IN.

SO ALL THE, ALL THEY REALLY HAVE TO DO IS CONNECT TO THAT VERSUS HAVING TO ALSO, UH, DISRUPT THE GRADE AND PUT IN THOSE PAVERS AROUND THE TREES.

YEAH, I I WAS, I, I WAS MORE THINKING, I I'M SURE IT WON'T WORK WITH, WITH THAT STREET SCAPE THERE AND I GET THAT AND THEY HAVE TO BE SMALLER, THEY PLANT IN A TREE.

WELL, I WAS JUST THINKING IF THEY COULD BE SAVED AND PUT SOMEPLACE ELSE IN TOWN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE MOVE TO, I DON'T KNOW.

AND WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER.

THE, THE, THE DELAY WASN'T JUST FOR ME TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE.

LET, LET'S MOVE ON.

WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT EARNESTLY WHAT I'M GIVING YOU TONIGHT IS ESSENTIALLY THE WHY IN TERMS OF WHY THEY CHANGED THAT.

UH, BUT WE WANNA USE THIS NEXT MONTH TO DIG INTO THAT FURTHER, NO PUN INTENDED.

, SORRY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

AND THAT TOOK CARE OF 19 10, 18 94 AND 1895, CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST IS 2023, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, ANNUAL REPORT, LESLIE AND I, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, UM, BASED UPON A CONVERSATION WE HAD BACK AT OUR, UM, ANNUAL MEETING IN JANUARY, UM, AND THE DISCUSSION RE REVOLVING AROUND THE GOALS TO BE ESTABLISHED BY THE COMMISSION FOR THE, THE NEXT YEAR.

UM, SORRY, WOULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE PLEASE? UM, I HAVE, I TOOK NOTES AND, AND THEN DRAFTED THOSE GOALS AS, AS THEY WERE, UM, PROVIDED AT THAT MEETING.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU AND PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET? UM, DURING THE REGULAR MEETING.

UH, I WOULD, AND WE CAN HAVE, UH, SOME DISCUSSION NOW AS WELL TO, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD, UM, CONSIDER APPROVING THE ANNUAL REPORT AS PRESENTED.

THERE WERE NO OTHER MODIFICATIONS TO THE REPORT.

UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS MODIFIED WAS THE ADDITION OF THE 2024 COMMISSION GOALS, UM, THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THE JANUARY MEETING.

QUESTIONS, ANYONE? OKAY, MOVING ON TO 2024, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT WORK PLAN.

YES.

SO, UH, SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE WORK PLAN.

WE DID DISCUSS THIS AT THE, UH, JANUARY, UH, ANNUAL MEETING WITH THE COMMISSION.

THERE WERE NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE WORK PLAN.

IT WAS THE SAME AS WAS PRESENTED AT THAT MEETING.