Feb 13, 2024 Work Session and Regular Meeting

AND THEN WE HAVE KELLER SPRINGS, AND THIS ONE'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UH, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT THIS LOAN IN THE NEXT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, THAT THERE WOULD BE ABOUT $8 MILLION, PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT.

BUT WE, BEING A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE, ABOUT $8 MILLION, UH, RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION ON THAT PROJECT.

UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE CAN'T GET REIMBURSED, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT IT WOULD BE ABOUT HALFWAY DONE BY THE TIME WE GET THE LOAN.

SO, UH, UTILIZING THAT, UH, FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE MOTHER SPRINGS PROJECT.

SO THE TOTAL POTENTIAL LOAN AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE HERE IS 44.6 MILLION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UH, ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS.

AND THAT HAS THE EXPANDED SCOPE THERE OF MONTFORD DRIVE.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN IN ADDITION TO THIS IS THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE COMPLETING THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTAIN LOAN AMOUNT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT.

SO IF COUNSEL SAID WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE EXPANDED SCOPE ON MOCK FOR DRIVE, THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL LOAN AGREEMENT, WE SIMPLY WOULD EXCLUDE THAT IF IT WAS, IF IT HAD BEEN APPROVED.

STEVEN, CAN I ASK YOU REAL QUICK QUESTION ON MONTFORD DRIVE IT THAT IT IS NOT 6.42 14 MILLION? IT, IT COULD BE 6.4 OR MAYBE 20.4 MILLION? WELL, WE'RE THAT, WELL, SO WE RECEIVED AN OPINION OF PROBABLE COST.

SO I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA BE THE ENGINEERING HERE, BUT, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT ADDITIONAL SCOPE WOULD BE ABOUT $7.6 MILLION.

SO I'M JUST CONFIRMING THAT WORD AND IS CORRECT.

IT'S NOT 16 4, 16 0.42 BETWEEN, RIGHT.

SO IT'S, IT IS REALLY 6.4 OR 14.

SO NOT THE, NOT THE INITIAL.

OH.

OR, OR, OKAY, THANK YOU.

SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE, THOSE TWO WE'D LIKE OR BETTER THAN NOT, OR YEAH, IT'S BETWEEN THEM SHOULD BE BETWEEN THOSE.

GOT IT.

SO NEXT ACTION.

IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE THAT, UH, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US DIRECTION ON THAT, UM, AND PURSUE THAT LOAN THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK, UM, AT A LATER COUNCIL MEETING HERE, PROBABLY THE NEXT, UH, MAYBE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR THE FOLLOWING ONE, WE WOULD BRING FORWARD A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO APPLY FOR THAT LOAN A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT MAXIMUM AMOUNT BE SET AT, UH, WHAT, WHAT I HAD MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE 44.6 MILLION.

LIKE I SAID, IF YOU KNOW THE SCOPE, YOU KNOW, FOR MOD OFFER WAS NOT EXPANDED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THE, THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF THE LOAN WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.

BUT YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND REAPPLY FOR MORE.

YOU'D HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE APPLICATION.

SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

WOULD, IN THE PAST, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS OR CO BONDS, WOULD THIS BE CLASSIFIED AS A CO BOND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A DIRECT LOAN BETWEEN US AND TECH STOCK.

SO THEY HAVE AN OPTION WHERE WE COULD ISSUE, COS WE COULD ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PURCHASE THEM AND GIVE US THE INTEREST RATE REDUCTION.

BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE WORK WE HAVE TO DO.

SO WE WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH BASICALLY OUR ENTIRE BOND PROCESS, UM, PAY, PAY THE ATTORNEYS AND FINANCIAL ADVISORS AND ALL THE ISSUANCE COSTS.

SO, UH, WITH THE DIRECT LOAN AGREEMENT, YOU REALLY ELIMINATE ALL OF THOSE ISSUANCE COSTS IN THE TRADITIONAL.

SO ON THE, UH, THINKING ABOUT THESE STREETS, IF, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THESE STREETS, UH, PARTICULAR STREET PROJECTS? UM, UM, THIS ONE, THE, THE ONE WITH THE AMOUNT, THERE YOU GO.

SO IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN A, THAN A GENERAL OBLIGATION OR CO.

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ALL RIGHT.

THERE.

SO, UM, WE HAD, WE HAD THE WHAT, 2019 BOND PROPOSITION? YES.

AND ALL OF THESE WERE APPROVED.

UM, DO WE RUN INTO ANY TYPES OF PROBLEMS IF WE ADD, IF MONFORT GOES ABOVE WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH THIS TYPE OF, UH, YEAH, SO TECHNICALLY THESE AREN'T GOING AGAINST THAT AUTHORIZATION.

UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE PROJECTS THAT WERE PART OF THAT AUTHORIZATION.

AND IF, YOU KNOW, I, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS, BUT I PROBABLY WOULDN'T GO OUT AND SELL THE BONDS AND GET THE LOAN REFORM DRIVE.

BUT, BUT THIS DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY GO AGAINST THAT, THAT BOND AUTHORIZATION THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THOSE.

WHAT, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN LINE YES, A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THE PROJECTS.

UH, THE QUESTION I HAD IS THE, THE PARTICULAR AMOUNT, ARE WE ON MONTFORD DRIVE? I GUESS WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE AND WE GET TO IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF WE COULD DO THIS TYPE OF LOAN AND WE GO OVER THE AMOUNT APPROVED FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR MONTFORD, YEAH, THAT'S JUMP IN.

SO YES, THIS WOULD BE A MECHANISM TO DO THAT.

SAY, SAY WE WEREN'T DOING THIS PROGRAM.

THE OTHER MECHANISM WOULD'VE BEEN, WELL, WE'RE GONNA ISSUE GOS FOR 6.4, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS IN THE BOND PROPOSITION, AND WE WOULD ISSUE COS FOR THE REMAINDER COS HAVE A HIGHER INTEREST RATE.

SO WE ACTUALLY GET EVEN MORE OF A BENEFIT BY DOING THIS.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RIGHT MECHANISM TO IF WE WANT TO EXPAND THE PROJECT, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER MECHANISM TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO ISSUING ADDITIONAL COS.

GOT IT.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, UH, LIKELY SAVINGS USING THE SIB ON THE 44 MILLION? BASED ON 44 MILLION? SO ALMOST THE 1% REDUCTION, UM, PER, PER MILLION SAVES US ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN INTEREST COSTS.

UH, SO FOR 44 MILLION, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $4.4 MILLION, UH, IN INTEREST SAVINGS OVER A 20 YEAR LOAN.

SO, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ABOUT $220,000 ANNUALLY, UH, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF YOUR INTEREST IN SINKING TAX RATE.

SO THAT'S SET BY THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO REPAY.

SO ANYWAY, GENERATE A LITTLE BIT LOWER INTEREST IN SINKING RATE, UH, FOR THOSE 20 YEARS IF WE JUST, YES, SIB HAS BEEN, WAS CREATED IN 97, WHAT BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION, UH, THEY BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION.

SO THEY, UH, THEY SENT ME AN EMAIL SAYING, UM, APPLICATIONS OR, UH, THAT THEY'RE ACCEPTING, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR AWARD.

UM, AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER THAT, UH, ME AND, AND SHANNON HICKS AND, UH, TODD WEINHEIMER PUBLIC WORKS, WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM, UH, THEY WALKED US THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND, UM, THAT'S BROUGHT US WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

TELL US AGAIN HOW THE AAA OUR AAA BOND RATINGS ARE USEFUL OR HELPFUL IN THIS FLOW.

SO IT, IT ENSURES THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ADDITIONAL INTEREST EXPENSE THAT'S ADDED TO THAT BASE RATE THAT THEY HAVE SINCE THEY LOOK AT THE AA MARKET RATE.

UM, AND THAT IF YOU WERE LOWER THE AAA, THEY ADD SOME BASIS POINTS TO THAT BORROWING RATE.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY NOT HAVING ANYTHING ADDED TO OUR BORROWING RATE.

SO IF WE WERE, FOR INSTANCE, AA, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 10 BASIS POINTS, WHICH IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $45 MILLION.

IT ENDS UP BEING A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF OVER 20 YEARS.

NANCY.

SO I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID, UM, AT THIS POINT THAT YOU WOULD BE DEALING DIRECTLY WITH TXDOT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL, UH, FACILITATOR, BROKER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NOT WITH THE DIRECT LOAN RIGHT.

LOAN AGREEMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE DIRECT LOAN AGREEMENT? THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE.

HAVE, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY SAMPLE, UH, LOAN AGREEMENT THAT, THAT PDOT USES FOR? UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY ALL THE SAME.

THEY HAVE THEM ON THEIR WEBSITE.

SO, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY FACED WITH SOMETHING LIKE, UM, LIKE A LAND BANK WHERE THEY GO, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

BUT WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO IT, THEY HAND YOU A SET OF DOCUMENTS AND THEY'RE BASICALLY NOT NEGOTIABLE.

REALLY WHAT'S NEGOTIABLE HERE IS THE TERM.

UM, SO BASICALLY THE NEGOTIABILITY IS, IS THE TERM THAT WE WANT.

SO IN THE RE SO, AND THIS OFFERS SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY ON REPAYMENT.

WHEN WE SELL BONDS, WE HAVE TWO FIXED RIGHT REPAYMENT DATES.

THIS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR PAYMENT ANY TIME YOU WANT.

UM, SO IT'S PAPER IN THAT REGARD YOU CAN PREPAY.

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UM, SO, WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, BUT I, BUT I SUPPOSE THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN THEIR, IN THEIR, UM, STANDARD DOCUMENTS THAT GIVES YOU ANY, ANY PAUSE? NO.

NO, IT'S, IT'S ALL FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND PRETTY BORING.

PRETTY BORING.

PRETTY SIMPLE COMPARED TO YOUR STANDARD BOND BOND ISSUANCE WHERE WE'RE DOING AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT THAT'S A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING PAGES, AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF INFORMATION REQUESTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO, TO BUILD THAT OUT.

AND, UM, RATINGS CALLS AND EVERYTHING, WHICH WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO RATINGS CALLS WITH, WITH THIS, YOU HAVE TO PAY THOSE RATING AGENCIES ABOUT $25,000 TO, TO GIVE YOU A RATING.

UM, SO, SO ALL OF THOSE EXPENSES DO NOT OCCUR UNDER THIS DIRECT TERM AGREEMENT AND THAT SITUATION AND THE WORK INVOLVED WITH THE, WITH THE ADDITIONAL AUDIT REQUIREMENTS AND REPORTING, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE, THAT'S FAIRLY MINIMAL, THAT'S WORKABLE.

THAT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE.

WE, I MEAN WE, WE TRACK ALL OF THIS ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT REALLY ADDITIONAL WORK, IT'S JUST BRING IT TO THEM.

SO I MIGHT BE NAIVE, BUT WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE? YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WITH THE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THERE'S NOT REALLY A DOWNSIDE.

YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GONE THROUGH A SIMILAR PROGRAM.

THERE'S, THERE'S A SIMILAR PROGRAM WITH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST AND THERE'S A LOT MORE REQUIREMENTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAN THIS APPLICATION PROCESS.

UH, SO THAT MAKES THIS MORE, MORE ATTRACTIVE TO ME.

UH, BUT REALLY OTHER THAN THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND, UH, THE EXPENDITURE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, UM, THIS IS, SEEMS MORE SIMPLE THAN THE TRADITIONAL BOND ISSUANCE.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY CHEAPER, UM, AND GENERATES THE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRED RESULT, IT LOOKS LIKE A HECK OF A DEAL.

UM, SO THE OTHER THING IS WHAT IF WE, THEY DON'T SELECT US, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FUNDS THEY HAVE AVAILABLE.

SO THEN WE JUST CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE ALREADY KIND OF HAD IN PLACE.

CORRECT, YEAH.

AND IF THEY, IF THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE ONLY GONNA GIVE YOU 10 MILLION, WELL, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD COME BACK AND DO THAT LOAN AGREEMENT, BRING IT BACK FOR, FOR 10 MILLION, THAT'S MILLION DOLLARS IN, RIGHT.

SO WE WOULD SAY, HEY, LET'S DO 10 MILLION ON THIS LOAN PROGRAM.

WE'LL SELL BONDS FOR THE REMAINING PROJECTS, UM, THAT, THAT WE HAVE.

AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION.

SO IF WE'RE APPROVED, CAN WE GET ANOTHER ONE OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THIS ONE IS PAID OFF 20 YEARS FROM NOW? THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO WAIT.

I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO BE IN GOOD STANDING TO APPLY FOR ANOTHER AS FAR AS REPAYMENT.

THANKS.

SO YES, IT DOES SOUND LIKE A GREAT DEAL.

UM, NOW I, I MAY HAVE SOME IGNORANCE HERE ALSO ON THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION BONDS THAT WE CAN ISSUE FOR ROADS WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL.

HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH, WITH THIS? AND IT WOULD BE THE, UH, THE DIFFERENCE ON, UH, MONTFORD WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.

ARE WE JUST APPROVED TO BORROW THAT MONEY UNDER THE SAME RULES? YES.

YEAH, AND THIS ACTUALLY, WE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTIFICATES.

YOU HAVE TO DO A NOTICE OF INTENT.

UH, THERE'S A WAITING PERIOD, UM, PEOPLE CAN PETITION TO TURN THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT DENIED OR TURNED INTO A GEO, UM, ELECTION.

SO THIS IS JUST A DIRECT LOAN AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE STATE.

THERE'S NOT THOSE HURDLES, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO, THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK UP.

UM, SO IN, IN THE BEGINNING SLIDE, IT SAID THAT THE MAXIMUM LOAN WAS LIKE $42 MILLION AND WORD GOING ABOVE THAT CLOSE TO THE 45.

IS THAT ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? ANY INDICATION? YEAH, SO THE, THE LARGEST, AND, AND I'LL ADMIT THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FOR A SINGLE PROJECT OR IF THAT WAS, SO WE HAD ASKED THEM, DO WE NEED TO SUBMIT THIS FOR A SINGLE PROJECT? CAN WE DO THIS AS ONE, ONE LOAN FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS? UH, THEY SAID WE COULD DO IT FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS.

SO, SO IF WE WERE AWARDED ALL OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ASKING FOR, WE WOULD BE THE LARGEST LOAN THAT THEY'VE EVER GIVEN.

SO.

SO YOU'D BE INCLINED TO DO LIKE SEPARATE LOANS FOR THE PROJECTS? YEAH, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T TELL ME IF THAT 42 MILLION WAS JUST FOR ONE PROJECT OR IF THE BORROWER HAD MULTIPLE PROJECTS WITHIN THAT.

SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT.

I'D LIKE TO BREAK BARRIERS HERE.

WOULD DO ONE APPLICATION FOR THE WHOLE 44? CORRECT.

I WAS JUST THINKING THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CLEANER TO HAVE 'EM SEPARATE.

SO, SO YOU

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AND THEN AS THE PROJECTS CAME ALONG, YOU'D JUST START DRAW DOWNS ON THOSE PROJECTS? YEAH, BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO DRAW A THIRD OF THE MONEY.

YOU HAVE TO DRAW DOWN ALL OF THE MONEY OVER THREE YEARS.

YOU HAVE TO DO A THIRD.

OH, OKAY.

AT LEAST IN THE FIRST YEAR.

SO I MEAN, WE WOULD BASICALLY BE DOING $15 MILLION A YEAR DEPENDING ON THE SPEED WITH WHICH THE PROJECTS ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED.

SO IF THIS WORKS WELL, WOULD WE, UM, WOULD WORK, WOULD IT BE, UH, CONDUCIVE FOR US TO REFINANCE SOME OF THE OTHER BONDS THAT WE HAVE? SO WE CAN'T REFINANCE BONDS THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, BUT THIS LOAN, LET'S SAY REIMBURSEMENT, LET'S SAY INTEREST RATES DROP SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN REFINANCE OUR EXISTING STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK LOAN THROUGH THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK.

UH, ON A ONE TIME BASIS, UH, LET'S SAY WE GOT FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, INTEREST RATES DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY.

WE COULD GET IT DOWN TO 1.3% OR SOMETHING, UM, THEN WE COULD GO BACK, REFINANCE IT, THERE'S A COST OF THAT AND PAY HALF OF A PERCENT OF THE OUTSTANDING LOAN BALANCE ON FOR THAT COST.

AND IT'S A ONE-TIME COST, IT CAN BE ROLLED INTO THE, INTO THE LOAN.

UM, SO BASICALLY YOU CAN FINANCE THAT, THAT THE COST OF THAT REFINANCE.

BUT, UM, BUT YOU CAN'T REFINANCE BONDS OR CERTIFICATES INTO THIS PROGRAM? NO.

THAT GOES BACK TO THE, THE WORK'S ALREADY BEEN DONE SO YOU CAN REIMBURSE FOR IT.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

YES, SIR.

IS THERE A TIME PERIOD ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATION? BECAUSE I'M NOTICING THERE'S 152 LOANS OVER 26 YEARS THAT'S UNDER 60 YEARS.

YEAH, THAT'S KIND SEEMS KIND OF LOW.

THEY MEET, YOU KNOW, THEY MEET, UH, I FORGOT WHEN THEY TELL ME THEY MEET, THEY DON'T MEET THAT OFTEN.

THE COMMISSION, I THINK IT WAS EITHER MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY.

I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK.

BUT, UH, BUT DURING THEIR MEETINGS THEY APPROVE.

I'VE BEEN IN LOCAL FOR 17 YEARS AND I HAD NEVER HEARD OF THIS PROGRAM UNTIL WOW.

NOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN KEEPING IT GOOD, KEEPING IT A SECRET OR, UH, OR WHAT, BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT'S USE THIS PROGRAM.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY TARGET AND REACH OUT LIKE THEY DID TO US THIS YEAR AND SAY, HEY, WE, MAYBE THEY LOOKED AT OUR CIP AND HEY, YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF ROADS ON THERE, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU APPLY FOR THIS? I MIGHT HELP.

I DON'T, I HONESTLY, I DON'T, I SURE.

NOT REALLY SURE.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA ON THE TIMING OF, UM, THE, UM, UN UNDERSTANDING THE COST FOR LONGFORD WHEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE DECISION? YEAH.

ON THE SCOPE? SCOPE, YES.

SO WE'RE DOING DESIGN RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL BE COMING FOR THE SCOPE DECISION HOPEFULLY VERY SOON.

UH, SOME OF THAT'S CONTINGENT ON THE CONVERSATION WITH DALLAS.

SO THAT IS PROGRESSING.

WE'VE SENT DOCUMENTATION OVER TO THEM, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF WAITING ON GETTING A GREEN LIGHT FROM THEM.

AND ONCE WE GET THAT GREEN LIGHT, WE'LL COME BACK AND HAVE THE FULL CONVERSATION WITH, WITH COUNCIL SO SOON.

WE DON'T WANNA DELAY THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THAT.

UM, BUT BEFORE, WE'RE IN A GOOD TIMELINE RIGHT NOW WITH KIND OF CONTINUE ON WITH DESIGN UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT.

WELL, ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED, SO THANKS EVERYBODY.

UM, ANY OTHER, UH, DO YOU THINK THERE'S REALLY JUST A LACK OF AWARENESS AS TO WHY THIS PROGRAM HASN'T BEEN USED? DAVID, DO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S INTERESTING WHEN, UH, STEVEN MENTIONED THE, THE UTILITY PROGRAM THROUGH THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, WHICH IS VERY POPULAR.

GONNA BE FUNDED HIGHER OR, OR YEAH.

MANY, I'VE USED THEM BEFORE IN MANY STATES, AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR WITH MORE CUMBERSOME IN REPORTING.

SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR.

THAT IS, THEY PROMOTE THAT LIKE CRAZY AND THERE'S MEETINGS AND MANY CITIES USE IT.

SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS ONE'S NOT AS, UM, AS PREVALENT.

I WOULD SAY IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S REALLY TARGETED AT COUNTIES THAT ARE IN THAT UNDERPERFORMING ECONOMIC CATEGORY.

SO THAT COULD BE PART OF IT.

NOT ALL COUNTIES WOULD BE THERE.

NOT ALL PROJECTS WOULD QUALIFY.

I THINK WE ALSO ARE IN A UNIQUE SPOT THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY ROADWAY PROJECTS AS EVERYONE IN TOWN KNOWS.

UM, AND A LOT OF, SO MANY OF THEM HIT ON THE MAP RIGHT NOW OF BEING THOSE MAJOR ROADWAYS.

SO I THINK THINGS JUST ALIGN PRETTY WELL FOR US.

IT IS QUITE A FINE, GOOD JOB.

MM-HMM, , GREAT JOB.

THEY, THEY FOUND ME , BUT, BUT YOU RECOGNIZED THE OPPORTUNITY AND BROUGHT IT TO US.

SO WAS THEY GIVING YOU ANY IDEA ON WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE OR THEY'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE, THEIR FUND, YOU KNOW, BALANCE? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT INCREASES WITH THE INTEREST PAYMENTS AND ALL THAT.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY OUT MARKETING THIS BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY KNOW THEIR FUND IS

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YOU KNOW, I, I ASKED THEM BECAUSE THERE WAS A PORTION ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT SAID THEY HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT, I THINK IT SAID $50 MILLION TO LOAN.

AND I ASKED THEM THAT BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WELL, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF YOU ONLY HAVE TO DO MILLION DOLLARS FOR US.

AND THEY SAID THEY HAD A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

SO, UM, SO I THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING PRETTY WELL.

AND YOU KNOW, THE SOURCE OF THAT CAPITALIZATION? WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT IS JUST THROUGH THE STATE.

UH, FOUR B PRESENTED, DISCUSS THE CALENDAR OF CITY COUNCIL EVENT FOR 2024 AND RIGHT BEHIND YOU, VALENCIA, I'LL JUST, I'LL GIVE A GO WHILE VALENCIA BRINGS IT UP.

NO PARTICULAR PROGRAM OR, OKAY.

WELL, I MEAN, THE, I MEAN, THIS IS THE PROGRAM.

SO THERE'S FUNDS ALLOCATED TO THIS PROGRAM THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AND IT BEING A REVOLVING FUND, ALL THE FUNDS THAT GET REPAID GO RIGHT BACK INTO IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THEY WERE ALLOCATED BACK IN 1997, YOU KNOW, THEORY SHOULDN'T BE GROWING EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE EARNING INTEREST ON THAT, ON THOSE FUNDS BASED ON MAYBE SOME MONEY OVER THE LAST 2027.

SO STEVEN, YOU JUST NEED DIRECTION FROM US AS TO WHETHER WE WANT YOU TO MOVE FORWARD.

YES, SIR.

YEAH, I, I THINK I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF IT.

I LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

I LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD A MAXIMUM.

IS THAT, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU? THAT'S GOOD, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU STEVEN.

ALRIGHT,

[b. Present and discuss a calendar of City Council events for 2024. ]

A QUICK PREFACE, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO DO MOVING FORWARD EVERY YEAR, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CALENDAR YEAR IS GO AHEAD AND BASICALLY SET A FORMAL CALENDAR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR, SO THAT YOU ALL KNOW WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE GONNA BE.

SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHEN THEIR MEETINGS ARE GONNA BE.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE AN ELECTION EVERY YEAR, SO FOLKS WILL CHANGE, BUT IT'LL BE VERY CLEAR FOR ANYONE COMING ON BOARD WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE GONNA BE THERE CERTAINLY WILL BE ADJUSTMENT TO THIS AS WE GO ALONG, BUT WE WANT THOSE TO BE AS RARE AS POSSIBLE.

SO, UM, I THINK THIS WILL BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT TO JUST OUR BASIC OPERATIONS SO YOU DON'T GET MANY EMAILS MOVING, MEETING AROUND AND COMING UP WITH ANYTHING.

SO I THINK THIS WILL BE A POSITIVE STEP AND I THINK LINDSAY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF LAYING THIS UP.

ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

VALENCIA GARCIA, INTERIM CITY SECRETARY, UH, HERE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THE 2024 CITY COUNCIL OF ITS CALENDAR.

SO I SEPARATED IT OUT BY QUARTER, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THESE.

UH, IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICTS WITH ANY DATES ON THIS, FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.

UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP RIGHT INTO FEBRUARY SINCE WE'RE ALREADY IN IT, UH, STARTING OUT WITH OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS TONIGHT AND THE 27TH.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A JOINT CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 29TH.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO UDC MEETINGS FOR, UH, 2024.

AND THEN IN MARCH WE HAVE, UH, A REGULAR MEETINGS MARCH 5TH.

THAT'S A CHANGE DATE FROM MARCH 12TH.

UM, 'CAUSE MARCH 12TH FELL DURING SPRING BREAK, SO WE MOVED IT AROUND.

UM, AND THEN THE 26TH GOES AS USUAL.

ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS WITH, OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE SECOND QUARTER.

UM, WE CERTAIN APRIL WITH OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, APRIL 9TH OF 23RD, NO CHANGE THERE.

UM, TENTATIVELY WE HAVE OUR SPRING HALL, SPRING TOWN HALL MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY, APRIL 17.

WE ALSO HAVE A PROPOSED JOINT CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE SECOND OF THE TWO DC MEETINGS FOR, UM, THIS YEAR SCHEDULED ON TUESDAY, APRIL 30TH.

ANY CONFLICTS WITH APRIL? REAL QUICK, I'LL MAKE ONE COMMENT.

SO THE THIRD, APRIL 30TH, THAT IS A NEW DAY, UM, FOR YOU ALL THAT I, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE SEEN AN EXACT DATE.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED IN THEORY ABOUT THE NEXT UDC MEETING WITH THIS, THAT SHOULD BE THE FINAL JOINT UDC MEETING WITH COUNCIL AND THE UDC COMMITTEE.

SO WE ARE, UM, OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE ONE COMING UP VERY SOON, AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE THAT JOINT MEETING ON THE 30TH.

I HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THE TOWN HALL IN APRIL.

I DON'T KNOW IF NOW'S THE TIME TO BRING IT UP.

YES, I HAVE A, A FEW, UM, ALTERNATIVE DATES IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER.

SO, UH, DARREN LET ME KNOW BEFOREHAND THAT HE WOULD HAVE A CONFLICT.

SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE I, I COULD FILL OUT SOME OTHER DATES AND, AND CREATING A VIDEO AS AN OPTION TOO.

COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE SO SHORT NOWADAYS THAT SHE SEE MUCH OF A, YOU SAID 1120 FIFTH, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? 22ND.

SO I'D TURN THAT OUT IN MY EMAIL TOO.

YOU, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION RIGHT NOW, BUT IF, IF, IF Y'ALL ARE READY TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT APRIL 11TH, 22ND, 25TH WERE OTHER OPTIONS.

ALL THOSE DATES ARE GIVEN TO ME.

SORRY FOR THE CHANGE.

11TH, WHAT WERE THE OTHER DATES? 22ND AND 25TH SINCE THE, UH,

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I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AND LET YOU, WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON, WE DON'T MAKE THE DECISION.

WE SEND MOVING ON TO MAY.

UM, WE STUCK THAT OUT WITH, UM, OUR SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE ELECTION CANVAS.

THAT'S GONNA BE WEDNESDAY, MAY 15TH.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 28TH.

THAT IS OUR ONLY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF THE MONTH.

UM, AND THAT IS FOLLOWING UP MEMORIAL DAY DIRECTLY THE DAY AFTER.

UM, AND THEN WE START TO MOVE INTO CHASE BECOMING A THREE DAY EVENT, UH, FRIDAY, MAY 31ST.

SO THAT'S WHEN THAT WILL START OFF.

ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS IN MAY? ALL RIGHT, JUNE.

UM, WE JUST HAVE CASE CONTINUING THROUGH THAT FIRST WEEKEND, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE MEETINGS ON THE 11TH AND THE 25TH.

SO THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE.

SO THE BOARD, JULY, WE HAVE TOWN FALLING ON A WEDNESDAY THIS YEAR.

UM, AND WE HAVE OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FOLLOWING ON JULY 9TH AND JULY 23RD.

IS THERE ANY CONFLICTS IN JULY EXCEPT VACATION? ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO, UM, HISTORICALLY WE'VE DONE JUST ONE MEETING IN JULY, HAVEN'T WE DONE ONE IN NOVEMBER? ONE IN DECEMBER, NUMBER ONE IN JULY.

ONE IN JULY TWO, THAT WHAT WE USE IS THAT FOR BUDGET, FOR BUDGET REASONS, UH, THIS THINK WE'VE DONE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VACATION TIME FOR KIDS ARE OUT.

IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE WE WANNA CONSIDER I'M FLEXIBLE.

I TOO, I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD WORK .

WE CAN LEAVE IT AS A PLACEHOLDER JUST ON OUR CALENDARS.

NO, I MEAN, I THINK FOR, FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, IF PEOPLE WANNA PLAN VACATIONS, YOU KNOW, COUNSELOR, STAFF PLAN, VACATION, WE SHOULD, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REASON FOR HAVING THIS CALENDAR FOR LONG RANGE PLANNING.

WHY DON'T WE, UH, JUST PULL THE JULY 9TH MEETING FOR NOW.

IF SOMETHING, IF WE NEED AN EMERGENCY MEETING, SOMETHING COMES.

AND THEN MOVING INTO AUGUST, WE HAVE OUR FY 25 BUDGET WORKSHOPS ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 6TH AND WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 7TH.

AND THAT'S FOLLOWED UP WITH REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 13TH AND 27TH.

NO CHANGE THERE.

DATES, CONFLICTS WITH AUGUST.

AND THEN SEPTEMBER, UM, WE START WITH OUR SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE FY 25 BUDGET.

THAT WILL BE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, UH, DIRECTLY FOLLOWING LABOR MEETING.

WE HAVE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ON SEPTEMBER 10TH AND 24TH.

UM, AND THEN WE START OCTOBERFEST THAT FOLLOWING WEEKEND.

THERE.

ANY CONFLICTS IN SEPTEMBER? VALENCIA, QUICK ONE.

BACK TO AUGUST.

I JUST DOUBLE CHECKED AUGUST 6TH FOR BUDGET WORKSHOPS.

UM, IT MIGHT BE A CONFLICT.

I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE TO CONFIRM BY THIS FRIDAY, DAVID, WE HAVING SOME BUDGET CONVERSATIONS IN REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS PROCEEDING THE, THE WORKSHOP, RIGHT? CORRECT.

CONFLICTS THERE FOR THE 20TH.

WE'RE, OUR GOAL IS, AND SO THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH WERE REALLY PLACEHOLDERS.

SO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER LUCIO CERTAINLY LET US KNOW.

OUR GOAL IS THAT WE HIT A LOT OF BUDGET MEETINGS IN JULY OF, IN JUNE LEADING UP TO THAT AUGUST 6TH, SEVENTH.

AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE DAY.

SO THAT'S OUR INTENT.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE AUGUST 7TH THAT DAY AND SIX IS IF NEEDED.

YEAH, I, I, I MEAN TYPICALLY I'M JUST LOOKING AT THAT WEEK.

UM, THURSDAY, FRIDAYS INHERENTLY OR BETTER FOR ME THAT MONDAY, JUST KNOW, I THINK THAT MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, I'LL BE IN SAN MARCOS AGAIN FOR, FOR WORK REASONS TOMORROW.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.

SO WE CAN, UM, LOOK AT THAT.

WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

OKAY, GREAT.

I WAS GONNA POINT OUT THAT, UH, FALL TOWN HALL MEETING.

DID WE SCHEDULE THAT NOW OR WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN AHEAD NOW, SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.

WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE, YES.

29TH

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LET'S MOVE ON TO THE END OF THE YEAR.

UH, OCTOBER, WE HAVE OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ON THE EIGHTH AND 22ND.

UH, TML CONFERENCE IS GONNA BE WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9TH THROUGH OCTOBER 11TH.

SO THAT'LL BE IS THE WEEK, UH, NOVEMBER.

WE HAVE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FOLLOWING ON THE 12TH AND THE 26TH.

THE 26TH BEING THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING IN DECEMBER.

WE'VE GOT A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON DECEMBER 10TH OF OUR WOULDBE COUNCIL MEETING.

FALLS ON THE 24TH.

I THINK PATIENT MEETS, CAN I CLARIFY THE TOWN HALL MEETING IN THE FALL? IT'S THE 29TH.

IT'S A TUESDAY.

IT'S TUESDAY OCTOBER 29TH.

UNLESS THE RANGERS IN THE WORLD SERIES AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.

WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.

HEY, CAN HAVE THAT.

IT'S VERY HELPFUL.

ANY FINAL COMMENTS? CONFLICT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

YEAH, THANKS FOR PUTTING IT TOGETHER.

THANKS FOR THE COLOR CODING TOO.

I LIKE THAT.

OH YEAH, OF COURSE.

ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS, DAVID? NO, NOTHING ELSE.

WELL WITH THAT, WELL THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT ON OUR WORK SESSION AND SINCE THIS PAST SEVEN 30, WE'LL NEED A FEW MINUTES BEFORE WE GET STARTED NEXT DOOR.

SO FIVE MINUTES SURE.

STARTED NEXT DOOR FOR A REGULAR MEETING.

GO RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.

ALRIGHT.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

IT IS 7 51 AND WE WERE CALLED TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 13TH.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT WITH SIX OF US HERE.

AND WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER LISIO IS JOINING US VIA ZOOM REMOTELY.

SO WE DO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COUNCIL PRESENT FOR THE MEETING.

AND AS ALWAYS, WE LIKE TO START WITH THE PLEDGE TO BOTH OF OUR FLAGS.

IF YOU PLEASE RISE AND JOIN US IN THE PLEDGES.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT.

[2. Proclamations / Presentations Addison Police Department Recognitions Preservation of Life Award Officer Marquet Stevens Certificate of Merit Officer Lauren Ash Officer Bryan Diaz Mayors' Red Kettle Challenge Recognition Salvation Army - County Director of Community Relations & Fundraising, Emily Stewart; Commanding Officer Major, Mario Maldonado; and Commanding Officer Major, Lola Maldonado]

ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT OF RECOGNITIONS, THE PRESIDENT PRESERVATION OF LIFE AWARD, AND THE CERTIFICATE OF MERIT.

DAVID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THIS? YEAH, I, I WILL, I I WANT, I DON'T HAVE TOO MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THIS, BUT I WILL INTRODUCE OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, PAUL SPENCER.

THANK YOU SIR.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL PAUL SPENCER, CHIEF OF POLICE.

UH, WE'RE PLEASED TONIGHT TO AWARD THREE OF OUR OFFICERS FOR SOME OUTSTANDING WORK IN THE FIELD.

UH, THE WAY WE, WE DO THESE AWARDS.

A LOT OF TIMES THIS COMES THROUGH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE FIRE GUYS, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PARAMEDIC, UH, DUTIES, WE WILL RECOGNIZE A LOT OF THE LIFESAVING EFFORTS THAT OUR OFFICERS DO.

UM, TONIGHT WE HAVE THREE OFFICERS THAT, UH, STEPPED UP AND, AND ANSWERED THAT CALL.

AND WE HAVE ONE PRESERVATION OF LIFE AWARD AND THEN TWO CERTIFICATE, UH, CERTIFICATES OF MERIT FOR EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.

I'M FIRST GONNA READ THE CITATION THAT I'LL INTRODUCE TO EACH OFFICER, UH, TO COME UP AND ACCEPT THEIR AWARD.

SO ON JANUARY 27TH, 2024, OFFICER STEVENS DIAZ AND ASH WERE DISPATCHED TO A MEDICAL EMERGENCY AT OUR LOCAL MOTEL.

THE CALL NOTE STATED THAT AN UNKNOWN INDIVIDUAL WAS UNCONSCIOUS AND NOT BREATHING.

OUR OFFICERS ARRIVED FIRST ON SCENE AND OBSERVED THE UNCONSCIOUS MALE LYING ON THE, ON THE BED INSIDE THE HOTEL ROOM.

OFFICERS ASH AND STEVENS CHECKED FOR PULSE, DID NOT LOCATE ONE, THEY QUICKLY NUDE TO REMOVE THEM OFF THE BED ONTO THE HARD GROUND SO THAT CPR COULD BE, UH, BE PERFORMED.

OFFICER STEVENS PERFORMED CPR FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MINUTES UNTIL OUR ADDISON FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL SHOWED UP AND TOOK OVER MEDICAL CARE.

THE MALE WAS TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL ALIVE AND BREATHING, AND IT WAS LATER DETERMINED THAT THE MALE HAD OVERDOSED ON FENTANYL.

SO TONIGHT, PLEASE, UM, CONGRATULATE OFFICER, UH, MARQUETTE STEVENS FOR PRESERVATION OF LIFE AWARD.

THE ADDISON, THE ADDISON FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALSO AWARDS EACH OF THESE, UH, OFFICERS THEIR PHOENIX AWARD.

AND SO I'M GONNA ISSUE THESE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF, UH, FIRE CHIEF DAVID JONES.

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CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE, PLEASE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE OFFICERS, UH, DIAZ AND ASH.

THEY'RE RECEIVING CERTIFICATES OF MERIT FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE, UH, TO MARETTE STEVENS.

APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR THE GREAT WORK YOU DO FOR, FOR ADDISON.

WE'RE, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, POLICE AND FIRE.

NEXT ITEM IS MAYOR'S RED KETTLE CHALLENGE RECOGNITION, SALVATION ARMY COUNTY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND FUNDRAISING.

EMILY STEWART, COMMANDING OFFICER, MAJOR MARIO MALDONADO AND COMMANDING OFFICER MAJOR LOLA MALDONADO.

YES, AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

WE ARE MENTORS.

WE, DID YOU GET YOUR MIC TURNED ON THERE? HOLD ON.

WE ARE MENTORS, LOLA MAJORS, LOLA AND MARIO MALDONADO COMPANY.

WE ARE COLLEAGUE, UH, EMILY STEWART, AND WE ARE HERE PLEASED, UH, TO, UH, JOIN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THIS EVENING AND TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS TO ADDISON, UH, MAYORS BRUCE, UH, ARSON, UH, AND THE SEVERAL C CIVIL, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF WHO PARTICIPATED IN A 2023 MALE MAYOR'S RED CARROLL CHALLENGE.

SPECIFICALLY, WE EXTENDED OUR GRATITUDE TO MAYOR BRUCE TON GUILLERMO, NANCY CRAIG, DARREN GARDNER, ALENE RE, RESNICK, UH, NE RESNIK, AND DAN CIO.

PLEASE, UH, KNOW THAT YOUR PARTICIPATION IS ENABLING US TO CONTINUE OUR MISSION TO MEET THE HUMAN NEEDS OF INDIVIDUALS, INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES FACING HOMELESSNESS, FACING POVERTY, ADDICTION, FOOD INSECURITIES, AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

YOUR EFFORTS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO RAISE MUCH NEEDED FUNDS FOR THE SALVATION ARMY AND THE OAK LEAF AREA.

WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT THAT YOU ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL EFFORTS RAISED.

$483 AND 29 CENTS IN DOLLARS IN COINS IN THE RED KETTLE ON DECEMBER THE NINTH AT THE KROGER LOCATED AT 37 70 BELTLINE ROAD, UH, IN ADDISON.

BUT IT, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE DOLLARS THAT GO INTO THE KETTLE.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP.

WE, UH, YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE NEIGHBORS IN ADDISON.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER, UH, I DO, I DO, I DO.

, WE ARE PLEASED TO PRESENT, UH, THIS SALVATION ARMY BELL, UH, TO YOU AS A, A TOKEN OF APPRECIATION, UH, MAYOR.

AND WE ARE, WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU AND TO YOUR TEAM MEMBERS AND TO EVERYBODY THAT, UH, OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THE DIFFERENCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MUCH.

YES, SIR.

ONCE AGAIN, MAYOR, WE THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE IN HELPING US DO THE MOST GOOD.

AS YOU REAL, AS YOU KNOW, THE SALVATION ARMY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1865.

TODAY, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 16TH.

AND ALONG THE WAY, IT HAS GROWN AND IT HAS, UH, UH, BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR THE WORK THAT IS DONE WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES.

AND IT IS, UH, NOT AN EASY TASK, AS YOU ALL KNOW, RUNNING, UH, A PROGRAM LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT TAKES MANY PEOPLE, MANY HINTS AND, UH, MANY EFFORTS.

SO ON BEHALF OF THE SALVATION ARMY OF THE DALLAS AREA COMMAND AND THE DALLAS OAK CLIFF COURT, WE WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN.

WE APPRECIATE AND AS THE, AS THE THE HISPANIC CULTURE DOES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OUR HEARTS GO TO YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE.

THAT HELPS US, UH, AGAIN, HELP MANY FAMILIES IN THE AREA AROUND DALLAS.

MAY GOD BLESS EACH

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ONE OF YOU.

AND WE HOPE THAT THIS IS NOT A FIRST TIME, BUT THAT IT WILL GET BIGGER LIKE IT HAS IN SOME OTHER TOWNS.

I WON'T SAY WHERE , BUT IT'S HERE IN THE DALLAS AREA.

BUT YOU DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL MAY NEVER SEE THE, THE PEOPLE IN THE FAMILIES THAT YOU HAVE HELPED, BUT WE KNOW THEM.

AND WE, WE PRE WE REPRESENT YOU WHEN WE DO WHAT WE DO IN THE COMMUNITIES.

MAY GOD BLESS YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE TONIGHT.

AND IT WAS, IT WAS A FUN TIME THAT DAY.

IT WAS A COLD AND WINDY DAY STANDING IN FRONT OF KROGER, AND I THANK YOU FOR COMING AND RELIEVING US AT THE END OF THE DAY.

THAT WAS VERY NICE, .

WE WERE GLAD TO SEE YOU, BUT APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OUT THERE RINGING THE BELL AND, AND, UH, TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ILLA, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FOR SETTING US UP WITH MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT.

I THINK HE DANCED A LITTLE BIT TOO, IF I RECALL.

BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A, IT WAS A FUN DAY OUT THERE AND WE'LL PREPARE EVEN MORE NEXT TIME AND, AND REALLY DO SOME, UH, SOME CAMPAIGNING AHEAD OF TIME TO BUILD UP SOME, UH, SOME MOMENTUM FOR THAT.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE BELL.

I DON'T HAVE A GAVEL, BUT NOW I HAVE A BELL.

HOW ABOUT THAT ? SO VERY GOOD.

THEN .

SO THAT'S

[a. City Manager's Announcements.]

EXCELLENT.

SO WE'LL GO TO ITEM TWO, A CITY MANAGER'S ANNOUNCEMENTS.

DAVID.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR.

JUST TWO SHORT ANNOUNCEMENTS.

THIS FRIDAY AT 5:00 PM IS THE DEADLINE TO FILE FOR THE MAY, 2024 CITY COUNCIL ELECTION CANDIDATE PACKETS ARE NOW AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, OR CAN BE PICKED UP IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS.

UM, NEXT, MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR THE NEXT CITY.

SIP AND SCOOP.

I'M GETTING BETTER AT SAYING THAT AS WE GO, UH, ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 20TH, THIS WILL BE AT ORIGINAL PANCAKE HOUSE ON BELTLINE AT 8:30 AM ON THAT TUESDAY.

UH, GET INSIDE AND GET THE SCOOP ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ADDISON.

AND DID YOU HAVE EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION,

[b. Employee Recognition.]

DAVID? DO WE HAVE, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL RECOGNITIONS? I'LL START OFF BY INTRODUCING, UH, JANA TIDWELL, OUR PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UM, IT'S ALWAYS AN EXCITING TIME FOR ME TO, UM, BRING ATTENTION AND SHINE SOME GOOD POSITIVE LIGHT ON OUR PARKS AND REC SUPERSTARS.

AND THIS EVENING I AM HONORED TO INTRODUCE TO YOU RAUL UL RIVERA.

HE WORKS WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AS AN IRRIGATION SUPERVISOR.

RAUL HAS BEEN WITH THE TOWN SINCE MAY OF 2009.

UM, THIS YEAR HE WAS AWARDED THE 2023 PARKS EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR AWARD, WHICH IS ONE THAT EMPLOYEES ARE NOMINATED FOR THEIR MERIT BY THEIR PEERS.

UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT AWARD TO BE A RECOGNIZED WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT.

RAUL IS A, UM, BORN AND RAISED TEXAN.

HE GREW UP IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND HE LOVES TO CHEER ON HIS DALLAS COWBOYS.

UM, BEYOND HIS PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, ROLE FINDS IMMENSE JOY IN HIS ROLE AS A DEVOTED FATHER TO THREE REMARKABLE CHILDREN.

ANTHONY EDWARD RIVERA, WHO PROUDLY GRADUATED FROM THE US MARINE CORPS AT THE AGE OF 23.

MCKENZIE ROSE RIVERA, A US NAVY GRADUATE AT THE AGE OF 19, AND THE YOUNGEST BELLA MARIE RIVERA, WHO IS CURRENTLY 14 YEARS OLD.

AND I BET SHE KEEPS HIM VERY BUSY.

RAISING HIS CHILDREN TO BECOME RESPONSIBLE YOUNG ADULTS HAS BEEN OF ROLE ONE OF RAUL'S MOST REWARDING ENDEAVORS.

WHEN HE FIRST CAME TO WORK FOR ADDISON IN 2009, HE WAS SEEKING A NEW CHALLENGE AFTER WORKING IN THE WAREHOUSE INDUSTRY, STARTING A NEW CAREER DIDN'T STOP HIM FROM WORKING HIS WAY UP THROUGH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND SERVING SUCCESSFULLY IN EACH OF HIS ROLES.

HE IS MOST PROUD THAT HE WAS ABLE TO GROW FROM GROUNDSKEEPER ONE, WHICH IS OUR MOST ENTRY LEVEL POSITION IN OUR DEPARTMENT, TO HI OR IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO HIS TITLE NOW IRRIGATION SUPERVISOR.

ONE WAY HE HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE SO SUCCESSFUL IN HIS TENURE HERE HAS BEEN HIS ABILITY TO EMBODY THE ADDISON WAY, WHICH IS TO GIVE ABSOLUTE CUSTOMER SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES, AND BUSINESSES IN ADDISON.

SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING RAUL.

PAUL SPENCER, CHIEF OF POLICE.

THANK YOU, RAUL.

SEE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GETTING, LETTING HIM GET AWAY THAT EASY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

, I'LL INTRODUCE CHIEF SPITZER AGAIN.

THANKS YOU SIR.

I'M THRILLED TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE LEE POLK.

UH, HE IS A DEDICATED MEMBER OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, SERVING AS A POLICE OFFICER.

UH, LEE STERN TO BEGAN IN SOUTH DALLAS WHERE HE GREW UP ALONGSIDE HIS FIVE OLDER SISTERS.

HE, LEE WENT ON TO JOIN ARMY RESERVES 1986 AND GRADUATED FROM KIMBALL HIGH SCHOOL IN 1987.

WHILE HIS HEART REMAINS LOYAL TO THE DALLAS COWBOYS LEE BITS, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGING TO, UH, IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING TO MAINTAIN HIS SUPPORT THE LAST 25 YEARS.

AND WE CAN ALL FEEL YOUR PAIN.

RIGHT? UH, BEYOND HIS PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, HIS GREAT SOURCE OF PRIDE LIES AND HIS FAMILY.

ALONGSIDE HIS WIFE, AMIRA, THEY PROBABLY NURTURE A BLENDED FAMILY OF NINE.

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HE IS GOT THE PATIENCE OF A SAINT AS WELL AS, UH, BEING A GREAT COP.

UH, HE'S GOT, UH, MELANIE IS THE ELDEST AT 30 YEARS OLD, TERRY, 27, VICTORIA 25.

UH, KAMIRA IS 25, ALEXANDRIA 22, MATTHEW 20, QUENTIN, 19.

UH, LOGAN AND ISAIAH ARE BOTH 17 YEARS OLD AGAIN WITH A MOUTHFUL.

I'M TELLING YOU.

, UH, DURING LEE'S LEISURE TIME, HE INDULGE HIS PASSION WORKING ON CARS, ENJOYS THE SENSE OF A ACHIEVEMENT THAT COMES FROM CONCLUDING A CHALLENGING PROJECT.

AND WHILE HE ACKNOWLEDGES NUMEROUS, UH, PROUD MOMENTS, LEE LEE HIGHLIGHTS THE PERKS OF HIS HOME IN BUILDING UP THE GROUND UP WITH HIS WIFE MEYER AS PROBABLY A TOP ONE.

AN AN INTERESTING PART OF LEE'S STORY IS, IS HE CAME TO US AS A DISPATCHER, UH, FROM DALLAS.

UH, SO HE WORKED AS A TOWN OF ADDISON, UM, A DISPATCHER BEFORE THE TRANSITION TO NEC.

WE THEN RESCUED HIM.

HE RETURNED TO ADDISON AS A POLICE OFFICER, UH, HOW MANY YEARS AT N TECH? UH, FIVE.

FIVE.

UH, HIS UNWAVERING DEDICATION TO ADDISON EXEM EXEMPLIFIES HIS COMMITMENT TO SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY.

ACCORDING TO LEE, EMBODYING THE ADDISON WAY ENTAILS BEING COURTEOUS, PROFESSIONAL, ACCESSIBLE, VISIBLE AND SWIFT IN ADDRESSING AND RESOLVING PROBLEMS, UH, ISSUES AND CONCERNS OF BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, ALL WHILE ENSURING THEY RETAIN THEIR DIGNITY.

PLEASE RECOGNIZE, UH, LEE POLK.

THAT'S SO GREAT.

A COUPLE OF GREAT EMPLOYEES THERE.

IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE RAUL IN THE PARK WHEN I SEE HIM, HE'S ALWAYS GOT A SMILE AND A WAVE AND, AND HE'S, HE DOES EXUDE THE ADDISON WAY.

AND I GOT TO, UH, KNOW OFFICER POLK WHEN I RODE OUT WITH POLICE A FEW WEEKS AGO.

UH, REALLY, REALLY GREAT FOLKS WE HAVE AROUND HERE, AND I'M ALWAYS PROUD OF OUR, OUR STAFF AND, AND EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.

SO I LIKE THE DOING THESE RECOGNITIONS.

THANKS DAVID.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES ON ANY ITEM, WHETHER IT'S ON THE AGENDA OR NOT.

AND, UH, IF YOU, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR TONIGHT AND, UH, BUT IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UH, DURING THIS TIME, DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, UH, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND THEN FRAN, I DO YOU HAVE, I HAVE YOU DOWN FOR ITEM FIVE B.

WE, I'LL CALL YOU DURING THAT TIME, WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW, YOUR CHOICE.

ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM FOUR A, B, AND C.

VERY GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

AND I DO HAVE ONE EMAIL THAT WAS, UH, SENT IN TO THE COUNCIL THIS WEEK FROM JOSEPH AND AUDREY HORCHER.

UH, AND THAT WAS ASKED TO BE ADDED INTO THE RECORD.

SO THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE, UH, MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.

AND IT WAS REGARDING THE, UM, REGARDING THE SENIOR EXEMPTION ITEM COMING UP.

SO THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE RECORD AND WITH SEEING NO OTHERS COMING FORWARD TO SPEAK IN, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND MOVE

[4. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]

IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE MARLON.

SECOND.

SECOND FROM DARREN.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, A PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 74, SECTION 74 DASH 51 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FOR INDIVIDUALS OVER 65 YEARS OF AGE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.

MOVING

[a. Present, discuss, and consider action on an Ordinance to amend Chapter 74, Section 74-51 of the Code of Ordinances to increase the amount of a Homestead Exemption for individuals over sixty-five years of age. ]

STEVEN, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, STEVEN GLICKMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.

AND THIS EVENING, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE, UH, TO, UH, UPDATE THE, UH, SENIOR TAX, UH, HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO, UH, IF YOU RECALL LAST MEETING, WE, UH, DISCUSSED THIS ITEM, UM, UH, AFTER BEING DIRECTED AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, UH, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET.

UH, TO BRING THIS ITEM UP FOR DISCUSSION, UH, WE PROVIDED A PRESENTATION AND, AND SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO, UH, OUR CURRENT EXEMPTIONS.

UM, AND I'LL RECAP SOME OF THAT PRESENTATION NOW.

UH, SO JUST, UH, UM, WE CURRENTLY OFFER THE TOWN OFFERS A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF 20% OF THE APPRAISED PROPERTY VALUE AND ALSO AND A SENIOR EXEMPTION OF $50,000.

UH, IF YOU RECALL FROM THE PRESENTATION, UH, FROM A COUPLE FROM A FEW WEEKS AGO, UH, THE AVERAGE SENIOR EXEMPTION, UH, FOR OUR COMPARISON CITIES, UH, AND, AND WITH, YOU KNOW, EXCLUDING UNIVERSITY PARK, WHICH HAS A VERY LARGE EXEMPTION, WHICH IS, UH, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES, UH, THE AVERAGE OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES IS, IS ABOUT $82,667.

UH, THE AVERAGE OF THE DALLAS COUNTY CITIES, AGAIN, EXCLUDING A UNIVERSITY

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PARK, IS ABOUT $51,547.

UM, FROM THE PRESENTATION, UM, I EXPLAINED THAT, THAT EACH $10,000, UH, OF AN ADDITIONAL SENIOR EXEMPTION ABOVE THE 50,000, UH, WOULD SAVE THE AVERAGE SENIOR PROPERTY OWNER IN ADDISON ABOUT $61, UH, PER YEAR.

AND THEN IF COUNSEL WISH TO TAKE ACTION AND HAVE THIS, UH, ANY CHANGES INCLUDED, UH, IN THE, IN THE APPRAISAL NOTICES THAT GO OUT, UM, AF AFTER APRIL 15TH, GENERALLY IN MAY SOMETIME, UH, THAT ORDINANCE WOULD NEED TO BE ADOPTED, UH, BY THE END OF FEBRUARY SO THAT WE CAN DELIVER THAT TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, IN EARLY MARCH.

SO WE ALSO HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING.

UH, SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, WHEN WAS THAT 20% HOMESTEAD ADOPTED? UH, SO THAT WAS ADOPTED BY, UH, CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 1982, UM, AS WAS, UH, THE SENIOR AND DISABLED DISABLED EXEMPTIONS AT THEIR CURRENT AMOUNTS.

UH, SO AGAIN, THE SENIOR EXEMPTION OF 50,000, UH, THE DISABLED EXEMPTION OF 60,000, THOSE AMOUNTS WERE SET BY, UH, IN ADDISON CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 1982.

UM, AND THEN, UH, ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS WAS PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE EX EXEMPT, IF THE EXEMPTION WERE SET TO $93,500, UH, AS THE SENIOR EXEMPTION.

UM, SO I PROVIDED THIS EXAMPLE, UH, IN THE SAME FORMAT THAT THE LAST PRESENTATION WAS IN.

UH, SO IT WOULD REDUCE OUR TAXABLE VALUE IN ADDISON BY ABOUT A LITTLE OVER $34 MILLION.

UH, SO THAT $34 MILLION WOULD GENERATE $207,708 IN PROPERTY TAX.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE SAVINGS THAT THOSE SENIORS WOULD SEE.

UH, THE AVERAGE SENIOR, UH, ASSUMING A SENIOR EXEMPTION OF $93,500 WOULD SEE A SAVINGS OF ABOUT $263 AND 75 CENTS.

AND THEN IF COUNSEL WISHED TO SAY WE WANNA GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAX AS WE WERE IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE WOULD GO UP ABOUT 0 CENTS TO GENERATE THAT $207,000.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, NOW BEING SAVED BY THE SENIOR GROUP.

UH, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION FROM THE, FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THERE WERE, UM, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME DEEPER COMPARISONS RELATED TO COPPEL, FARMER'S BRANCH AND CARROLLTON.

SO, SO WE HAVE 783 SENIOR EXEMPTIONS.

UH, COPPEL HAS ABOUT 2,500, AS DOES FARMER'S BRANCH.

UH, CARROLLTON HAS ABOUT 9,100, UH, AS A PERCENTAGE.

UH, SENIOR EXEMPTIONS IS AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

UH, ADDISON ACTUALLY IS ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST ONE, UH, IN THAT GROUP.

SO ABOUT 33.3% OF ALL RESIDENTIAL, UM, SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES IN ADDISON, UH, HAVE A SENIOR EXEMPTION, UH, COMPARED TO ABOUT 22% IN COPPEL, UH, 28% IN FARMERS BRANCH, AND ABOUT 25.7% IN CARROLLTON.

UH, THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AGAIN, ADDISON FARMERS BRANCH COPPEL, ALL HAVE THE SAME MAXIMUM HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ALLOWED AT 20%.

COPPEL IS AT 5%.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SENIOR EXEMPTION AMOUNTS THAT ARE OFFERED, UH, WITH THOSE OTHER THREE CITIES.

ADDISON IS AT 50,000.

COPPEL FARMERS BRANCH ARE BOTH AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, AND THEN CARROLLTON IS AT 87,000.

UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT IS THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE OF A, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY IN EACH OF THESE CITIES, UM, ADDISON, UH, IS ABOUT 341,000.

COPPEL IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER, ABOUT 20,000 ABOVE ADDISON.

AND THEN YOU LOOK AT FARMER'S BRANCH.

FARMER'S BRANCH IS ABOUT 50% OF, OF WHERE ADDISON IS AT 173,000.

AND THEN YOU HAVE CARROLLTON ABOUT 226,000.

SO WHEN YOU TAKE THEIR TAX RATES TIMES THEIR AVERAGE SENIOR TAXABLE VALUE THERE, UH, YOU GET THAT, THAT AVERAGE SENIOR TAX BILL.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS, AGAIN, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDISON COPPEL, THE, THE, THE SENIORS ARE IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE VALUABLE HOMES COMPARED TO FARMERS BRANCH AND CARROLLTON.

SO WHEN YOU'RE MULTIPLYING THAT TAX RATE OUT, UH, IT GENERATES A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TAX BILL BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTIES ARE, ARE MORE VALUABLE.

AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUESTS, UH, TO INCLUDE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION INTO THE PRESENTATION CALCULATIONS.

UH, AND IN THIS EXAMPLE, UM, WE'VE USED THE APPRAISED VALUE OF PROPERTIES IN ADDISON'S, WHICH IS $493,644.

UM, SO RATHER THAN USING, UH, THE APPRAISED VALUE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY, THIS

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ALLOWS YOU TO SEE HOW THOSE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, THOSE SENIOR EXEMPTIONS, UM, UH, CAN, CAN STACK UP AND, UH, AFFECT THE TAXABLE VALUE OF, OF A PROPERTY.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION IS APPLIED FIRST, AND THEN THE SENIOR EXEMPTION, UM, ADDISON, UH, THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE HERE IS, IS ABOUT $345,000.

UH, THE AVERAGE EXEMPTION AMOUNT IS ABOUT $140,000, UH, BETWEEN OUR COMPARISON CITIES AND ADDISON IS AT ABOUT A HUNDRED AND FORTY EIGHT, FORTY, A HUNDRED FORTY $9,000.

SO THE AVERAGE EXEMPTION AMOUNT HERE IN ADDISON IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE OTHER COMPARISON CITIES.

UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE TAX RATE TO THE FAR RIGHT.

SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROPERTY VALUE EXEMPTIONS BRINGS, BRINGS YOU TO THE TAXABLE VALUE.

AND THEN THAT TAX RATE IS ULTIMATELY WHAT, UH, IS MULTIPLIED TO, UH, THAT PROPERTY VALUE TO GENERATE THE TAXES THAT ARE OWED.

AND THEN THIS IS A SLIDE THAT SHOWS, UH, THE, UH, AVERAGE HOME VALUE OF THE COMPARISON CITIES.

UH, SO AGAIN, ADDISON IS AT 4 93, 6 44.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THE OTHER CITIES, UM, AVERAGE, UM, UH, HOME VALUES COMPARE, UH, AGAIN, UNIVERSITY PARK, I, I INCLUDED THEM ON THIS SLIDE.

THEY'RE AN OUTLIER IN, UH, BASICALLY EVERY OTHER COMPARISON INCLUDING THIS ONE.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW ADDISON'S AVERAGE HOME VALUE, AND AGAIN, IF YOU WANTED TO GET A TRUE FEEL OF WHAT THOSE OTHER, UH, ENTITIES ARE, ARE GENERATING, UH, FROM, FROM A SENIOR, UH, YOU WOULD TAKE THE, THE AVERAGE, UH, HOME VALUE THERE, THEIR, UH, HOMESTEAD, THEIR SENIOR EXEMPTIONS, AND THEN MULTIPLIED BY THEIR TAX RATE RATE WOULD GENERATE THAT TAX BILL.

SO WITH THAT, UH, I KNOW THAT WE, WE MADE THE ORDINANCE, UM, WITH, WITHOUT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT IN THERE.

I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING AND, AND QUESTIONS, WHICH I HOPE I'VE ANSWERED ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE GENERATED, UM, UM, FROM THAT MEETING.

BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

AND AGAIN, THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC AMOUNT LISTED, SO, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, AND HELP YOU ALONG THAT.

STEVEN, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

UM, DOES, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING ANY PARTICULAR CHANGE OR A CHANGE OR NOT? OR, OR IF, IF SO, WHAT LEVEL STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING A SPECIFIC LEVEL OF EXEMPTION? OKAY, THANK YOU.

I, I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD, UH, WELL, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING, UH, A CHANGE.

UM, REALLY IT IS A POLICY DECISION.

I WOULD JUST SAY KINDA GIVE SOME THOUGHTS AS YOU CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHERE TO GO.

UM, AND I THINK THIS IS REFLECTED IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION IN THIS ONE.

UH, ULTIMATELY, UNLESS WE CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF OUR EXPENDITURES, IT'S JUST ONE PIE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU TAKE FROM THE SENIOR, UM, EXEMPT, IF YOU INCREASE THE SENIOR EXEMPTION, IT'S GONNA GO TO OTHER PIECES OF THE PIE.

AND THAT'S HOW OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT, UM, ARE, UH, COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY RENTALS, THO THOSE FOLKS.

SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY THE POLICY DECISION.

SO I THINK AS YOU WEIGH WHERE WE WANT TO GO, WHEN YOU COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES, I WOULD JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT ULTIMATELY IT JUST SHIFTS THE BURDEN TO OTHER TAXPAYERS.

AND, AND IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I THINK, OR ONE OF THE RESPONSES THAT, THAT WE TALKED, OR ONE OF THE ITEMS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT, UM, WHILE THAT SENIOR, FOR EVERY SIX, FOR EVERY $10,000 OF ADDITIONAL EXEMPTION, THEY SAVE ABOUT $61 FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL, THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL GROUP, UH, THEY'RE GONNA SEE ABOUT A $3 AND 50 CENTS INCREASE FOR EVERY $10,000.

SO, SO IF YOU'RE WONDERING HOW MUCH, UH, THAT MAY COST THE OTHER TAXPAYERS, THAT'S, THAT'S AN INDICATION OF THAT, AGAIN, THAT GETS SPREAD OUT TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, OTHER MULTIFAMILY AND, AND, AND ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE EXEMPTION.

GQ, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I, I DO, WELL, I DO A CALL, A QUESTION HERE FOR STEVEN MM-HMM.

I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF COMMENT FROM HIM ON THE, UM, THE LAST TIME THIS WAS REVIEWED IN ADDISON WAS 1982, UH, OR CHANGED OR SET, UH, FROM WHAT I'M BEING TOLD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE SEEN A SLEW OF TOWNS AROUND US INCREASING THIS EXEMPTION.

CAN YOU SHED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT ON, ON MAYBE WHY THAT'S OCCURRING AT THIS TIME? YEAH, I, I, I'LL JUMP IN.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU SEE SEEDS DOING IT, THEY'RE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK SOME OF THAT'S DRIVEN BY, UH, VALUES INCREASING.

UM, SO IT'S CERTAINLY A RELEVANT CONVERSATION.

UH, I, I DO THINK THAT THE SLIDE THAT WAS

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INCLUDED THIS TIME WHERE WE SHOW THE HOMESTEAD AND THE SENIOR EXEMPTION TOGETHER, AND YOU SEE THAT TOTAL EXEMPTION IS RELEVANT WHILE YOU, YOU, YOU CAN SEE UP THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, OF TOWNS AND CITIES WITH HIGH SENIOR EXEMPTIONS THAT HAVE LOW HOMESTEAD.

SO WE ALREADY ARE UP THAT UP AT 20% ON THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT IT IN ISOLATION BECAUSE THAT BENEFIT IS, UH, ATTRIBUTED TO ALL SENIORS WHO HAVE THE HOMESTEAD, UM, THE TOTAL.

SO WHILE THAT HASN'T GONE UP, IF YOU GO BACK TO 1982, THAT FLAT AMOUNT FOR THE SENIOR, THAT 20%, BECAUSE THE PERCENTAGE HAS INCREASED, AS WE'VE SEEN THESE ASSESSED VALUES INCREASE.

AND I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU'VE SEEN US, UH, THAT TOTAL EXEMPTION AMOUNT CONTINUED TO RISE OVER THE YEARS.

YEAH, AND I, I'LL ADD, ALTHOUGH WE, THIS WAS, HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED, UH, SINCE 1982, THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE NOW, UM, NO LONGER APPLICABLE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

UH, WE HAD BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THIS, AND, UH, IT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

COUNCIL.

I HAVE A QUESTION, MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

SO IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, AND MAYBE DAVID AND STEVEN AND EVEN WAYNE CAN GET INVOLVED IN THIS ANSWER.

SO IF I'M LOOKING AT OUR TAX RATE COMPARATIVELY TO THE ONES ON THE SCREEN THAT I'M LOOKING AT SCREEN SLIDE FIVE, AND WE ARE RELATIVELY HIGHER THAN SOME OF OUR COMPARATOR CITIES, THAT THAT TAX BURDEN, WE TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS OWNERS, CORRECT? INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNERS WHERE THE 80 PLUS PERCENT OF OUR TAX BASE COMES FROM? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IF THERE'S A, IF THERE IS A TAX SHIFT OR AN INCREASE BASED ON PERCENTAGES, WE'RE BASICALLY ASKING BUSINESS OWNERS IN ADDISON POTENTIALLY TO ALSO BURDEN OR TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF THE INCREASE, CORRECT? IT WOULD, YEAH, IT WOULD BE ALL THE OTHER TAXPAYERS THAT WE MENTIONED.

SO THAT'S, UM, OTHER FOLKS WITH HOMESTEADS, ALTHOUGH, OH, THE FOLKS WHO, WHO LIVE HERE IN THEIR, IN THEIR HOUSE, OTHER FOLKS WHO RENT, AND THEN ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF OUR TAX BASE, THAT JUST BY NUMBERS, THAT GOES MOSTLY TO COMMERCIAL JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF OUR, OF OUR REVENUE.

SO DOES THAT PUT A BURDEN ON FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPERS COMING IN, IN TERMS OF CONSIDERATIONS IN LOOKING AT OTHER COMPARATOR CITIES? YEAH, YOU KNOW, TAX RATE DOES PLAY A, A PART WHEN, WHEN A, WHEN A BUSINESS IS LOOKING TO RELOCATE, I WILL NOT SIT HERE AND TELL YOU IT'S THE ONLY CONSIDERATION.

UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO OVER EXAGGERATE THAT IMPACT.

I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SLIDE INCREASE TO A SENIOR EXEMPTION, I DON'T THINK THE KNOCK ON TAX RATE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO THE DECIMAL POINT INCREASE IS GONNA REALLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALWAYS CONSIDER.

EVERY, EVERY YEAR WE GO THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS AND WE SET A TAX RATE, WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON OUR COMMERCIAL AND OUR RESIDENTS.

SO ALL THESE DECISIONS MATTER.

UM, BUT TO SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THE DEGREE DOES MATTER AS WELL.

SO I THINK AS YOU CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, I WOULD JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THE INCREASE, IF POSSIBLE, WOULD LOOK LIKE.

YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CITIES THAT COMMONLY GET BROUGHT UP IN MEDIA, THE MCKINNEYS, THE ALLENS, THE PROSPERS AND PROSPERS.

NOT ON THIS, ON THIS LIST, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 18 PLUS CENTS DIFFERENCE.

YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY GOOD REASON WHY THESE, THESE COMPANIES ARE RELOCATING NORTH AND NOT WHERE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY LOCATED.

JUST CURIOUS TO GET SOME PERSPECTIVE FROM THE OTHER COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I MEANT, SORRY, I, I, I, I CAN CERTAINLY WANNA HEAR THE THOUGHTS.

I WOULD JUST PRO PROVIDE SOME PERSPECTIVE.

I DO.

I, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION THAT WE ALWAYS, LIKE I SAID, THINK ABOUT THAT AS FOLKS ARE LOOKING TO RELOCATE.

THE TAX RATE ITSELF IS ONE DATA POINT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VALUES, ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THOSE OTHER TOWNS, YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN, EVEN THEIR HOME, THEIR HOME VALUES ARE HIGHER, THEIR COMMERCIAL VALUES ARE HIGHER.

SO THEY'RE GETTING MORE FOR, BECAUSE THEIR ASSESSED VALUES ARE HIGHER.

EVEN ON THE COMMERCIAL, THAT TAX BILL COULD BE QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN JUST, JUST BECAUSE THE TAX RATE'S LOWER DOESN'T MEAN THEIR TAX BILL IS LOWER, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT PLAYS A FACTOR, UM, INTO THAT AS WELL.

SO IT, IT JUST ALL GOES TOGETHER AND THERE'S JUST NOT A CLEAN ANSWER ON, ON SOME OF THOSE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE.

BUT, UH, GOOD DISCUSSION FOR SURE.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

DO WE HAVE ANY PROJECTIONS ON, UH, THE TAXABLE VALUE, UM, COMING UP FOR THIS NEXT YEAR ASSESSED VALUE? DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE COMMERCIAL MAYBE TRENDING DOWN WITH OFFICE SPACE BEING MORE VACANT? UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT YET.

UM, JUST INTERNALLY, I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE A LARGE, UH,

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DECREASE.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN OCCUPANCY GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN ADDISON.

UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO SEEING A LOT OF THE RENTS RETAIL, YOU KNOW, STILL, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT RENTS, THOSE ARE STILL GOING UP.

UM, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS ARE CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS WELL.

UH, AND THOSE HAVE SEEN LARGE INCREASES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

SO, UM, OVERALL, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT THAT COMMERCIAL BASE.

I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT DECREASING.

UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, UH, EXACTLY UNTIL WE START TO GET SOME PRELIMINARY DATA FROM THE, UH, APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

BUT THOSE ARE, UH, MY ESTIMATIONS OF, OF WHERE WE'LL START.

THANK YOU, NANCY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ANSWER READILY AVAILABLE FOR THIS, BUT, UM, IS ANYONE, ARE YOU AWARE, IS THERE AN AWARENESS, HAS THERE BEEN AN AWARENESS OF A CONCERN BY A PROSPECTIVE COMMERCIAL USER, UH, DURING TALKS WITH THEM AS FAR AS RELOCATING TO ADDISON? AND IF SO, WHAT TYPE OF USER MIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN? IF, DO WE, DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ON THOSE LINES IN THE, IN THE, IN THE TIME THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE, I HAVE NOT HAD ONE PERSPECTIVE, UM, BUSINESS COME TO TOWN AND RAISE THIS, RAISE THE TAX RATE, IF THAT, IF THAT'S YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT.

AS A CONCERN FOR WHY THEY WOULD NOT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN A CONVERSATION I'VE HAD.

I'VE BEEN HERE A YEAR, SO CERTAINLY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY ON THE TOP LIST OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AND YOU SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REPORTED BY STAFF OR INDICATED THAT IN THE PAST THERE HAS BEEN COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT IT? NOT, NOT IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.

I, I, IT HASN'T, IT HASN'T COME UP AND I, I THINK THAT'S, IM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN FOLKS COME TO TOWN, AND THIS IS, GOES TO ANY CITY, RIGHT? THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS THAT GO INTO IT THAT THE TAX RATE AND THEN THE TAX RATE'S, ONE PIECE OF THIS BIG PIE, THEIR TAX BILL, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ASSESSED VALUES TO GO WITH IT.

SO IT'S HARD TO EVEN ISOLATE THE TAX RATE ITSELF, RIGHT? CORRECT.

I AGREE.

I HAVE ONE OTHER, UH, QUICK QUESTION, UH, STEVEN ON SLIDE THREE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THERE.

SHOWS, SO THIS IS THE EXAMPLE USING, UM, 93,500 EXEMPTION, WHICH WOULD BE 43,500 INCREASE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS $263 AND 75 CENTS IS TO REPRESENT THE 43,500 INCREASE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, WHAT THEY GLANCED AT IT REALIZED THAT IT WAS, YEAH, BASICALLY IF, IF YOU TOOK THAT 43,500 TIMES OUR TAX RATE, IT GENERATES THAT 2 63.

TAX OR OTHER REVENUE SOURCES, IS THERE IS A DELAY THERE, AND YOU USUALLY HAVE TIME TO PLAN FOR IT.

YOU'RE WELCOME, EILEEN.

YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON, UM, DARREN'S QUESTIONS.

AND THAT IS, I'VE SEEN ARTICLES IN THE MORNING NEWS RECENTLY ABOUT A NUMBER OF BANKRUPTCIES OF OFFICE BUILDINGS IN TOWN.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN TOWN, CAN YOU, I KNOW THIS IS ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR CRYSTAL BALL, BUT I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR CRYSTAL BALL AND, AND TELL US HOW YOU THINK THAT MIGHT IMPACT REVENUE FOR THE TOWN GOING FORWARD.

, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT, MY CRYSTAL BALL, BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, THAT WE, WE'VE SEEN, AT LEAST IN ADDISON, THAT OUR OCCUPANCY RATES HAVE NOT, NOW, SOME OF THOSE MAY BE LONGER TERM LEASES THAT THAT MAY FALL OFF AT SOME POINT, BUT, UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT TO THE DEGREE THAT I THINK YOU'VE, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN, IN THE NEWS IN SOME, SOME OTHER PLACES AND AREAS.

UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S DIFFICULT.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE, THE TODI THINK WE REALIZE THAT THE OFFICE COMPONENT IS, IS A DIFFICULT THING TO PREDICT.

UM, SO I I'M NOT SURE I CAN PREDICT THAT.

DAVID, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THAT ? UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, I THINK IT THE, I THINK STEVEN'S ARTICULATING THE DIFFICULTY, AND WE ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT'S GONNA HANDLE IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE EVERY YEAR IS THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THEY SPEND SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS AND EFFORT CONTESTING EVERY SINGLE YEAR THEIR VALUES.

SO THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA STOP.

AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT HAS A BIG VA VACANCY, THEY'RE GOING TO PROTEST THAT.

SO ALL WE CAN DO IS JUST TRY TO HEDGE OUR BETS AND BE CONSERVATIVE AND TRY TO MAKE SURE WE PREPARE FOR IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WHAT I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE UNKNOWNS OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS, FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IT'S ONE OF THE BIG ONES.

SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO BRING UP.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE A, A SILVER BULLET OF AN ANSWER.

I WILL SAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PROP, ONE OF THE, A BENEFIT OF BEING SO RELIANT ON PROPERTY TAX AS OPPOSED TO SALES

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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN APPRAISAL AT ONE POINT EVERY YEAR.

SO WE DO HAVE TIME TO PLAN FOR IT.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GET HIT RIGHT AWAY.

SO THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR US PLANNING FOR IT.

BUT THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'LL BE HAVING.

I, I KNOW OVER THE NEXT YEAR IN THE BUDGET, AND CERTAINLY PROBABLY FOR A FEW YEARS, AND, AND I'LL ADD THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE SEE ALL THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, BUT ADDISON REALLY HAS A DIVERSE COMMERCIAL TAX BASE.

UM, WE HA WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE VALUE FROM MULTIFAMILY, WHICH ARE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN.

THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO, TO INCREASE IN VALUE.

UM, THOSE MAKE UP MORE OF OUR COMMERCIAL VALUES BY QUITE A BIT THAN OFFICE.

THEN WE HAVE RETAIL AS WELL.

UM, RETAIL, UM, OCCUPANCIES CONTINUE TO GO UP.

THOSE RENTS HAVE CONTINUED TO INCREASE.

SO YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO SEE INCREASES IN THOSE APPRAISED VALUES.

AND THEN OUR HOTELS HAVE REBOUNDED, SO THOSE MAKE UP A, A LARGE PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY TAX BASE, THOSE ARE REVENUE BASED.

SO AS THOSE REVENUES HAVE COME BACK, UM, THAT THOSE PROPERTIES SHOULD SEE SOME INCREASES AS WELL.

BUT OFFICE, OFFICE IS STILL, YOU KNOW, AN AREA OF CONCERN.

GUILLERMO, A QUESTION MAYOR, UH, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, HA HAS, UH, ASKED THE QUESTION, SHOULD WE WAIT FOR THE ADVANCE ADDISON 2050 PLAN TO BE FURTHER PROGRESSED BEFORE PASSING SOMETHING SUCH AS THIS, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE ABILITY TO FUND OTHER INITIATIVES SUCH AS SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS OR OTHER HIGH VALUE INITIATIVES CURRENTLY BEING IDENTIFIED? I ASKED DAVID, UH, SURE.

SPEAK TO THAT.

UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.

REALLY.

I, I DON'T THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A REASON TO, I DON'T THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A REASON TO DELAY ANY DECISION, UH, IN AND OF ITSELF.

BUT I THINK EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW GOES INTO IT.

WE HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE.

WE HAVE REVENUES, TOTAL REVENUES, WE NEED TO MATCH THAT.

UM, SO WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT.

AND SO THAT JUST WHERE IT GOES BACK TO WHERE DOES THE BURDEN LIE? I IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MODEST INCREASE, SOMETHING NOT TOO DRASTIC, I DON'T THINK IT GETS TO THAT LEVEL.

IF WE SAY, HEY, IF YOU CAME IN AND SAID WE WANNA GO TO UNIVERSITY PARK, WE PROBABLY, I MAY RAISE SOME, SOME ALARM BELLS AND GO DOWN THAT ROUTE, BUT I DON'T THINK, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT'S HAD BEEN HAD SO FAR, WHERE I, I WOULD GET CONCERNED ABOUT, ABOUT THAT PIECE.

DO YOU, DO YOU, AND A QUESTION I HAVE IS, DO YOU SEE A, AN INCENTIVE FACTOR FOR SENIORS TO STAY OR RELOCATE TO, TO OR FROM ASON? UH, BASED ON, ON THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, NUMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I, I, FROM THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT A PRESSING ISSUE I'VE HEARD FROM IS THAT SENIORS ARE LOOKING TO LEAVE ADDISON BECAUSE THEY NEED THEIR TAX BILL REDUCED FOR SEVERAL.

THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING I'VE HEARD A LOT.

THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DO HERE IN OTHER TOWNS.

SO I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD A LOT WHERE IT'S BEEN, HEY, I HAVE TO LEAVE HERE FOR THAT.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY REASON TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT JUST, THAT'S JUST MY ANECDOTAL FEEDBACK.

MORNING, UH, STEVEN, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT, THAT IF WE, MAYBE WE DID THIS, THIS PROPOSED, UH, INCREASE THAT THE, I THINK YOU SAID THE OTHER RESIDENTS WOULD PAY ABOUT $3 MORE, UH, PER 10,000.

SO IF IT WAS AT THIS LEVEL, 43,500, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ABOUT, WHAT IS THAT? AROUND $20, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ONLY RESIDENTS THAT OWN, OR ARE YOU FACTORING SOMEHOW APARTMENT, UH, RESIDENCE ALSO? IT, IT'S NOT APARTMENT.

JUST THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY.

IT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED CONDOS, TOWN HOMES, BASICALLY OWNER, WHAT WE CONSIDER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NOT MULTI-FAMILY.

THOSE ARE BASICALLY PASSED THROUGH IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR RENTAL RATES.

SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT DOESN'T THAT, THAT, UH, THAT NUMBER DOESN'T REALLY, UH, GIVE US ANY INSIGHT AS, AS TO WHAT OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE RENTING, UH, MIGHT INCUR WITH US? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, IT'D BE, IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO, TO, TO ESTIMATE.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T ADD THAT INTO THE CALCULATION.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU STEVEN.

JUST TO, FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT SAVINGS PER SENIOR EXEMPTION, THE 2 63 75, IS THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE OR IS THAT TOTAL THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE CURRENT 50,000.

THAT'D BE ADDING THE 43 5? CORRECT.

WHICH, UM, COMES DOWN TO ABOUT $22 A MONTH PER, UM,

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PER, PER PER HOUSEHOLD.

UM, YEAH, I, I'VE JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR SENIORS THAT OWN HOMES HERE, UH, THAT IT'S THAT CRITICAL FOR THEM, BUT IT'S NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU GO ON THIS, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A BIG SWING FOR EITHER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GIVING, GETTING SAVINGS OR THE PEOPLE THAT IT'S, THAT THAT TAX IS BEING REDI RE REDISTRIBUTED TO.

'CAUSE IT IS THE REDISTRIBUTION BASICALLY.

EX EXACTLY RIGHT.

SO, UM, SO, SO IT'S NOT A BIG SWING EITHER WAY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, I I JUST KIND OF WANNA GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THE COUNCIL IS THINKING.

NOBODY'S REALLY COMING FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER THEY WANT TO INCREASE IT, DECREASE IT, KEEP IT THE SAME.

AM I HEARING ANYTHING, NANCY? GO AHEAD.

UM, I'LL JUST SHARE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS SHARED WITH ME BY, UM, A CITIZEN THAT REACHED OUT TO ME ON, PER THEIR CALCULATIONS, ON THEIR OWN SITUATION, THEIR OWN UTILITY USAGE AND THAT SORT OF THING, THEY SAID THAT FOR AN INCREASE WITH AN INCREASE OF 20,000 ONTO THE SENIOR EXEMPTION, UH, THAT WOULD BE RAISING IT TO 70, THAT, UH, THAT SAVINGS WOULD BASICALLY OFFSET THEIR UTILITY INCREASE.

I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT THE MANDATED UTILITY INCREASE THAT FROM 2017? YEAH.

THE UTILITY INCREASE FOR THE WATER UTILITIES.

THAT RIGHT.

GOTCHA.

AND I HAVE A AARON, GO AHEAD.

I ALSO RECEIVED INPUT FROM A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE, FIVE OR SO FOLKS, AND I DID MY OWN RESEARCH AND FURTHER ASKED OTHER PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S FINANCIAL SITUATIONS VARY, BUT, UH, THIS PERSON HAD SAID, WELL, THESE COUPLE PEOPLE HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'D RATHER NOT HAVE THE SAVINGS FOR US.

THAT'S THAT SMALL AMOUNT, UH, BUT HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, SPENT WISELY SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR EVEN BETTER LOWER THE TAXES OVERALL.

I LOOK AT OUR TAX RATE AS A, FROM THE BUSINESS STANDPOINT OF BEING THE HIGHEST ON THAT LIST.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO, UH, A LOT WITH THAT AND WE SPEND IT WISELY.

UH, BUT IT IS UP THERE AND, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR, UH, LOWERING TAXES, BUT THIS IS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, YOU CLARIFIED, IT'S, IT'S A REDISTRIBUTION.

IT'S NOT A LOWERING OF TAXES.

THE QUESTION, ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, CAN WE, UH, IF WE RAISE IT TO 70 AND WE COME UPON HARD TIMES AS A TOWN, AND WE NEED TO SQUEEZE OUT ANOTHER $122 PER SENIOR, CAN WE LOWER IT BACK DOWN TO 50 ? THAT'S A, THAT'S A TRICK QUESTION.

SO LEGALLY WE CAN, RIGHT? YES, I, I BELIEVE YOU CAN.

HAS ANYBODY EVER DONE IT? NO.

BUT THAT'S, SO I, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, I WANNA SAY IT IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES PERMANENT.

AND I ALSO, UH, ASKED, UH, I, I DID A VERY POORLY, UH, LAID OUT SPREADSHEET, UH, BUT IT GOT ME TO SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY TAXES ARE BASED ON THE REAL VALUES OF THE HOUSES.

AND WHEN YOU DO THAT NUMBER, IT, IT IS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO CARROLLTON AND FARMER'S BRANCH WHO ARE OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.

THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY OUR COMPETITORS FOR BUSINESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN THE TOLLWAYS OUR COMPETITORS FURTHER UP FRISCO AND SO ON.

SO I'M NOT SURE WE WANT TO COMPETE WITH CARROLLTON AND FARMER'S BRANCH.

AND ON THIS ASPECT, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT AS WELL.

AND THE QUESTION WAS, SOME SENIORS COULD USE THIS.

IT'S A, IT IS A LOT OF MONEY.

IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND SOME, IT'S, IT'S NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE.

UM, AND I'D ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT A SLIDING SCALE ON THE INCOME, AND THAT'S, THAT IS IN THE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT'S ON THE RECORD OF THE, UM, OF THE AGENDA.

AND I, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? YEAH, SO IT, SO IT'S A FLAT AMOUNT THAT APPLIES TO ANY, UH, PROPERTY OWNER THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THIS EXEMPTION.

SO THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT DIFFERING SCALES OR SLIDING SCALES, UM, DEPENDING ON SOMEONE'S SITUATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK THE ANSWER WAS, IT'S NOT REALLY LEGAL FROM THE STANDPOINT OF USAGE OF THAT.

THE WAY IT'S SET IS IT'S JUST SET AT A DOLLAR LIMIT.

SO, MM-HMM, , UM, A VERY BLUNT INSTRUMENT, RIGHT? AND MY CALCULATIONS PUT US IN THE BETTER THAN AVERAGE, UM, TAX SAVINGS COMPARED TO ALL OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES, LIKE BY 58% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, SO THAT'S A LOWER TAX SITUATION, UH, COMPARED TO ALL OF OUR COMPARISONS.

THAT'S SOME OF THE INPUT.

I THINK I'LL MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON RECOMMENDATION MAYBE, IF THAT'S OKAY.

I, MAYBE WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT RECENTLY, BUT WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT IN 42 YEARS.

SO INITIALLY I WAS LIKE, YEAH, RIGHT, GREAT, LET'S LOWER TAXES.

AND THEN I GOT TO THINKING, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY LOWERING, IT'S JUST REDISTRIBUTING IT.

AND IT'S, IT IS A SMALL AMOUNT.

WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN 42 YEARS.

WELL,

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UM, AND IT'S, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE, UM, IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT.

WE LOOK AT OTHER THINGS MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY THAN EVERY HALF CENTURY.

UM, SO IF WE MAKE A CHANGE, I WOULD BE, UM, I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH MAKING A LARGE CHANGE, UH, MAYBE, UH, RAISING IT TO 60,000 FROM 50,000.

UM, IT'S KIND OF SYMBOLIC, BUT IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS CONSERVATIVE.

I WANNA BE CONSERVATIVE, CAUTIOUS.

I THINK ECONOMIC OUTLOOK IS, I THINK IT'S, I'M A, I'M VERY POSITIVE, BUT I AM, I'M VERY CAUTIOUS ON, ON THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP.

I'D RATHER, UH, HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY THAN, UH, HAVE TO CUT SOME OTHER SERVICES IN THE TOWN.

SO I, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LEANING AT.

60 60.

ANY OTHER? GO AHEAD, MARLA.

UH, MARY, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME THOUGHTS.

UM, UH, I, I'VE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE RESIDENTS.

UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE RENTERS AND, UH, WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS PER SE, BUT, BUT THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UH, INCREASING RENT OVER THE LAST, ACTUALLY, LIKE SKYROCKETING RENT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS SINCE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY INITIALLY MOVED INTO THEIR APARTMENT, UH, HOWEVER LONG THAT WAS, TO, TO CURRENT TIMES.

SO, UM, AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THOSE FOLKS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL BECAUSE FROM AN A VALOREM STANDPOINT, APARTMENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL ARE, ARE, UH, LUMPED INTO COMMERCIAL.

SO, AND THE OTHER THING, UM, I I THINK ABOUT IS, UH, IN OUR AD VALOREM, 85% COMES FROM COMMERCIAL.

AND, UM, AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT, THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OFFICE, A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY, AND, AND, AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THAT AMOUNT.

BUT I, I'M ALSO COGNIZANT, UM, UM, I DON'T EVER WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH OF THAT BURDEN ALL, ALL ON COMMERCIAL SUCH THAT IT RAISES OUR, OUR TAX RATE TO THEM, UM, MORE THAN, HOPEFULLY NOT MUCH MORE THAN WHERE WE'RE AT.

I I LOOK AT THIS, UH, SLIDE FIVE HERE, AND, UM, UM, I SEE OUR TAX RATE AT WHERE IT'S AT.

IT'S THE HIGHEST OF ALL OF OUR COMPARATOR CITIES.

WE GET GREAT SERVICES, WE GET A LOT, WE GET A LOT FROM THAT.

BUT I'M ALSO COGNIZANT OF WHERE WE ARE.

WE'RE IN THE SWEET SPOT, I THINK OF THE METROPLEX IN THE, IN THE, UH, PLATINUM CORRIDOR.

AND I'M, I'M EXTREMELY, UH, CONSCIOUS OF, UH, OF, OF OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND, AND THEM LOOKING AT TAX RATES IN DALLAS, 72 CENTS, I BELIEVE IS WHERE DALLAS IS RIGHT NOW AND WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND THEN IF YOU GO JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP THE TOLLWAY IN THE PLATINUM CORRIDOR, YOU GOT PLANO, AND THEN YOU GOT FRISCO.

AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHO I VIEW AS OUR REAL COMPETITION FOR COMMERCIAL.

AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY FOCUS.

SO I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO KEEP REDISTRIBUTING, REDISTRIBUTING THE, THE, THE TAX BURDEN ON COMMERCIALS SUCH THAT WE DO GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT, AT THAT AS, AS A MORE SERIOUS COMPONENT OF THEIR DECISION MAKING OF, OF WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BUY THE PROPERTY.

AIRPORT, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN LEVERAGE WHAT THE, THE ASSETS THAT WE DO HAVE TO CREATE A, A NEW STREAM OF, OF FUNDING RATHER THAN A READER DISTRIBUTION? MM-HMM.

THANK YOU, MARLON, YOU KNOW, VALID POINTS THERE, YOU KNOW, WASN'T, WASN'T FOR SURE WHERE YOU WERE GOING, BUT IT'S A REALLY, IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

YOU KNOW, THAT THE, UH, THE BURDEN ON RENTERS, UH, THESE DAYS IS, IS MUCH, MUCH HEAVIER.

'CAUSE THEIR, THEIR RENTS GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY WHEN THEY GO UP.

AND ANY, ANY INCREASE IN, IN THE BURDEN TO THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, IT'S, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T EAT THAT.

THAT'S A PASS THROUGH.

SO IT GETS PASSED ON TO THEIR, TO THEIR TENANTS AND PROBABLY NOT AT AN EVEN RATE.

THEY PROBABLY GET, GET A LITTLE, LITTLE BUMP ON TOP OF THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE COVERED.

SO, YEAH.

SO WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT YEAH, WHILE THIS, THIS SMALL SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION CAN BE, CAN BE SAVING, YOU KNOW, A FEW BUCKS EVERY YEAR, IT COULD ADD THIS MUCH MORE TO, TO THE, TO A LARGER, MUCH LARGER, UH, SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION.

SO IT'S A REALLY VALID POINT.

UH, AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO REDISTRIBUTION, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COME FROM, FROM MOVING THAT, UH, MOVING THOSE FUNDS AROUND? SO, GREAT POINT.

OTHER COMMENTS? GQ? YES.

UH, DAVID, UM, MR. GLICKMAN, AGAIN, EAR EARLIER YOU, TONIGHT WE SPOKE ABOUT, UH, REINVESTMENT OR A LOAN RENT INVESTMENT WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY, UH, SAVE $4.4 MILLION.

AND WE'RE, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, REDISTRIBUTION.

IS IT, IS, IS THERE SOME WAY TO EARMARK, UH, A TYPE OF ANOTHER TAX SOMEWHERE THAT HOTEL

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, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND AND, UM, SO REALLY THAT COMES DOWN TO SELL TAX AND PROPERTY TAX FOR IN LARGE PART.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THERE.

SO CERTAINLY, UM, THERE'S A FEW OPTIONS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RE REDISTRIBUTION, THAT'S KIND OF WITH SOME VARIABLES IN PLACE, AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP EXPENDITURES THE WAY THEY ARE FOR ASSUMPTION'S SAKE.

WE'RE GONNA SAY SALES TAX STAYS THE WAY IT IS, SALES TAX INCREASES, CERTAINLY THAT COULD BE A WAY THAT IT JUST GOES DOWN WITHOUT REDISTRIBUTION.

UM, WITH THE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES, THERE'S JUST MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM.

OBVIOUSLY HOTEL MOTEL HAS VERY SPECIFIC USE, SO IT'S HARD TO DO THAT.

I CAN, THAT'S NOT TO SAY MAYBE THERE'S SOME EXPENSES THAT MAKE SENSE.

UM, THE AIRPORT FUND IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE HAVING AND THAT WE COULD HAVE, UM, IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

UH, I THINK WE'RE IN A FORTUNATE SPOT RIGHT NOW WITH THE AIRPORT, WHERE AFTER A, A NUMBER OF YEARS WHERE IT WASN'T THE CASE, IT IS VERY HEALTHY RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS A LEVER TO PULL RIGHT NOW.

SO, UM, I GUESS THE SHORT ANSWER IS THERE'S JUST NOT TOO MANY LEVERS TO PULL FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT OUTSIDE OF SALES TAX INCREASING, BUT EXPENDITURES ARE ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CAN LOOK AT.

SO IT SEEMS TO ME WE'VE, UM, THE SENIORS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT'S 7 83, UM, RESIDENTS THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS, UM, OF LOWERING OF COST LOST.

THE, THE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT'S A, A, AN OLDER GROUP, A GROUP THAT HAS BEEN HERE IN TOWN FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME, 20 YEAR YEARS PLUS MAYBE 25 YEARS.

AND IN THE LAST 20, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 38 YEARS HERE IN ADDISON.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT 20 YEARS AGO, A LOT OF THESE RESIDENTS DIDN'T, DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A HOUSE THAT THEY PAID $200,000 FOR, WHICH IS NOW AROUND 700, COULD BE UP TO $700,000.

AND, UH, CERTAINLY THAT WASN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS IN MOST PEOPLE'S PLANNING FOR, UH, RETIREMENT, UH, 20 YEARS AGO.

SO, UH, THERE IS THAT BURDEN THAT, THAT, UH, THAT I'M AWARE OF.

I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF, UM, OF MOVEMENT ON, ON THIS, UH, TAX EXEMPTION.

UH, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD AT LEAST GIVE THE, UH, UH, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE COGNITIVE OF THIS AND WE'RE LIKE, AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION AS, AS A COUNCIL, UH, UNDERSTANDABLY THIS MAY BE, UH, A TOPIC IN THE CPAC, WHICH, UM, WAS BROUGHT UP BY SEVERAL RESIDENTS.

SO I, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF, UM, OF MAKING AN, AN ADJUSTMENT HERE.

I THINK IT'S DESERVED, UH, AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF, OF THE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS IN THE PAST, UH, TO HELP US WITH ADDITIONAL TAXES TO HELP BUILD THE, BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN ATTRACTIVE FOR, UH, UH, AS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THE, UH, VARIOUS PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE COMMERCIAL COMMENTS ON THAT.

ALL THAT TO SAY WHAT, GQ WHAT WAS YOUR, DID YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THAT? WELL, I'VE CER I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO, UH, LOOK AT THE 20, $20,000 TO START, AND, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A FINISH POINT.

UM, I'M NOT GETTING A SENSE THAT THIS IS URGENT FROM THIS COUNCIL.

UM, AND OF COURSE, UH, I AM, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND SOME HESITANCE OF REDISTRIBUTION.

SO I'M, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT A NUMBER AND THE NUMBER IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN COME INTO AGREEMENT TO WITH MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION.

GO AHEAD, DARREN.

THAT WE, UM, THIS CAN'S BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, NOT A LITTLE SOMETHING.

I APPRECIATE THE SENIORS A LOT AND I THINK A, UM, A COMPROMISE OR A SENSIBLE, UM, AMOUNT WOULD BE, I WOULD MOTION THAT WE RAISE IT TO $60,000, 10,000 MORE THAN THE 50 THAT WE'RE AT NOW.

THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? MAYOR, I'LL SECOND THAT.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE OPENED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IT'S NOT A PUBLIC, NOT A PUBLIC ITEM.

THERE'S A MOTION TO SECOND DISCUSSION.

EILEEN, JUST BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE,

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JUST CHECKING'S.

GOOD QUESTION.

DID YOU, UH, IS YOUR MIC ON FOR VOTING OR OKAY, FOR VOTING? ANY END OF THE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ITEM FIVE B, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A GRANT PROGRAM IN CONFORMANCE WITH CHAPTER THREE 80 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, PROVIDING FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR THE IMPROVEMENT IN MAINTENANCE OF MASONRY PERIMETER RESIDENTIAL SCREENING WALLS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THAT MOTION IS APPROVED TO INCREASE THE HOME, THE SENIOR EXEMPTION TO $60,000.

THANKS FOR THE GOOD DISCUSSION, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU, STEVEN.

[b. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution adopting a grant program in conformance with Chapter 380 of the Texas Local Government Code providing financial incentives for the improvement and maintenance of masonry perimeter residential screening walls throughout the Town and providing for an effective date.]

AND, UH, I'LL, I'LL CALL ON FRAN AFTER WE GET THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.

THIS WAS REALLY WASN'T A PUBLIC, UH, ITEM, BUT, UH, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST HAD YOU DO THAT EARLIER, BUT, BUT I'LL JUST CALL ON YOU AFTER THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE BEGIN ANY DISCUSSION, IF THAT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU JANA MAYOR AND COUNCIL JANET TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION FOR ADDISON TO PRO PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS TOPIC.

UM, STAFF IS PROPOSING A NEIGHBORHOOD VI VITALITY GRANT, UM, AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.

UM, THE DIRECTION WAS TO ADDRESS MAINTENANCE OF RESIDENTIAL MASONRY PERIMETER SCREENING WALLS IN ADDISON.

THE PROPOSED GRANT RESULTED FROM PRESENTATIONS THAT STAFF MADE FROM COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022, AUGUST OF 2023 AND NOVEMBER OF 2023, REGARDING MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF MASONRY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PERIMETER SCREENING WALLS.

DURING THOSE PRESENTATIONS, THE FOLLOWING DETERMINATIONS WERE MADE.

IN MOST INSTANCES, THE MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING MASONRY PERIMETER SCREENING WALLS IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TOWN MASONRY.

SCREENING WALLS ARE A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH.

AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION, A SCREENING WALL WILL BE DEFINED AS A MASONRY WALL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

OKAY, THE TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANT.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS GRANT IS TO ESTABLISH A NEW PROGRAM BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2024.

THE PROGRAM WILL BE ADMINISTERED BY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO PROVIDE MATCHING FUNDS TO HELP ENSURE THE VITALITY OF ADDISON NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO ADDRESS AGING INFRASTRUCTURE BY PROVIDING FUNDS TO SUPPLEMENT THE MAINTENANCE OF RESIDENTIAL MASONRY PERIMETER SCREENING WALLS IN ADDISON WITH THE INTENT TO PRESERVE THE PHYSICAL CONDITION OF ADDISON'S NEIGHBORHOODS, ENCOURAGE CONTINUITY OF AN AREA, PROTECT COMMUNITY PRIDE AND NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY, AND ADDRESS STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT MIGHT POSE AS A SAFETY CONCERN.

AND SHE SAID, WE CAN SPEND BETWEEN YOU BY INVESTING IN THE MAINTENANCE OF PERIMETER SCREENING WALL INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF ADDISON WILL BENEFIT ADDISON'S CONTRIBUTION IN THE PROGRAM WILL ADDRESS ISSUES THAT TOWN IN INFRASTRUCTURE MAY HAVE CAUSED TO SCREENING WALLS SUCH AS TREES ADJACENT TO WALL FOOTINGS FOR SOME REASON.

SO WITHIN THIS GRANT, UM, WHO CAN APPLY? UM, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT BOTH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS AND NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS SUCH AS AN HOA ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT PROGRAM.

WHERE A FORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP DOES EXIST, THE APPLICATION MUST BE COORDINATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP.

UM, THIS IS TO HELP ENSURE CONSISTENCY OF REPAIRS, MATERIALS, ECONOMY OF SCALE, PLANNED PHASING OF WORK, UM, AND IT WILL HELP STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND ENSURE HOA REQUI REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

WHILE THERE IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP INDIVIDUAL HOME, OR WHERE THERE IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS MAY ALSO APPLY FOR THE GRANT.

IN THIS INSTANCE, IT IS ENCOURAGED FOR NEIGHBORS TO WORK TOGETHER AND SUBMIT A JOINT APPLICATION TO ADDRESS MAINTENANCE NEEDS CONSECUTIVELY.

AND THEN WE PRI PROVIDED A LIST OF ADDISON NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, UM, FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW.

UM, ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY WAS IMMINENT AND WE HAD A LOT OF GRANT REQUESTS, WE COULD DEFER THOSE AWARDS TO A FUTURE YEAR.

STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT, UH, APPLICATIONS BE ACCEPTED ANNUALLY BETWEEN AUGUST 1ST AND THE 30TH.

THEY WOULD BE REVIEWED BY TOWN STAFF IN SEPTEMBER, AND DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, STAFF MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM APPLICANTS TO AID WITH THE REVIEW PROCESS.

APPLICANTS WILL RECEIVE NOTIFICATION OF GRANT AWARDS DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.

GRANTS MAY BE AWARDED DURING A FISCAL YEAR OTHER THAN THE ONE IN WHICH THE APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF STAFF DETERMINED THAT A REPAIR,

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STAFF WILL HAVE THE DEBT, UM, DISCRETION TO ALSO ALLOW AN EMERGENCY APPLICATION OUTSIDE OF THE STANDARD TIMEFRAME.

SO IF THERE WAS PERHAPS AN ACCIDENT TO A WALL OR SOMETHING THAT CAUSED THE WALL TO DEGRADE VERY QUICKLY THAT WE WOULD MAKE AN EMERGENCY EXCEPTION TO ALLOW A GRANT APPLICATION TO HAPPEN AT A DIFFERENT TIME.

THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED IS, CAN THE GRANT ADDRESS EXISTING DAMAGE? AND SINCE THE INTENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROGRAM IS TO PROTECT THE VITALITY OF ADDISON'S NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF RECOMMENDS THE GRANT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

BUT STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THROUGH THE ACCEPTANCE OF GRANT FUNDS, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO MAINTAIN THE WALL IN PERPETUITY MOVING FORWARD.

THIS WOULDN'T EXCLUDE THOSE WALLS FROM APPLYING FOR FUTURE GRANTS, BUT IT WOULD HOLD THE HOMEOWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THEY WERE NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE WALL, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE FUTURE REPAIR.

THIS IS A, THE PROPOSED GRANT IS A MATCH AND RE, UM, A MATCH PROGRAM WHERE THE TOWN WOULD PROVIDE 80% OF THE FUNDS AND THE APPLICANT WOULD PROVIDE 20% OF THE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT.

APPLICANTS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THE INVOICES FOR THE WORK AND THE TOWN WOULD REIMBURSE THE APPLICANT FOR THE WORK DURING THIS MATCH.

UM, CONTRIBUTIONS CAN ALSO BE MADE WITH CASH DONATIONS AND MATERIAL AND VOLUNTEER HOURS TO MEET THE 20% REQUIREMENT.

INFORMATION FOR ANTI TIME DONATIONS OR TIME SPENT WILL NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE GRANT APPLICATION AND WILL BE APPROVED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM.

APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED IN THEIR APPLICATION IF IT IS AWARDED IN OCTOBER.

APPLICANTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SELECTING A CONTRACTOR AND WORKING WITH THEM TO GET THE WORK COMPLETED.

THE TOWN WILL DEVELOP A LIST OF PRE-QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS FOR APPLICANTS TO USE AS A RESOURCE, AND IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO IDENTIFY AND WORK WITH RELIABLE VENDORS AND TO ENSURE THE NECESSARY INSPECTIONS AND PERMITS ARE OBTAINED.

ALTHOUGH STAFF WILL DEVELOP A DOCUMENT THAT STREAMLINES THAT PROCESS FOR RESIDENTS TO REFER TO APPLICANTS MAY, UM, TO BE REIMBURSED, THEY MAY SUBMIT TWO REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS TO THE COUNT TOWN, ONE FOR PROJECT MOBILIZATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN A SECOND AT PROJECT COMPLETION.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

THANK YOU, JENNA, BEFORE WE GET INTO QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW I'VE GOT THIS LITTLE BIT OUT ORDER, I APOLOGIZE.

UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL UP FRAN POWELL FOR HER COMMENTS FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES.

AND FRAN, IF YOU'LL GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

UH, FRAN POWELL, 1 4 7 9 6 LOCKIN COURT IN EAST ADDISON.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK JANA AND HER DEPARTMENT, UM, AND THE CONSULTANTS FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK AND THOUGHT THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANT PROGRAM.

UM, I THINK THIS WILL BE THE SOLUTION TO THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS ON THE WALLS AROUND OAKS NORTH, AS WELL AS OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SIMILAR WALLS AND ISSUES.

PEGGY THE OAKS NORTH A CC CHAIR AND I MET WITH DAVID GAINES ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO, AND WE DELIVERED A LETTER, WHICH WAS ALSO EMAILS TO YOU, MAYOR AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

UM, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO STRESS THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD CANNOT MANAGE ANY REPAIR OR REBUILDING PROJECT.

HOWEVER, WE WILL BE INVOLVED AS PART OF THE, THE USUAL ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL COMMITTEE'S REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS OF MATERIALS AND CONS, STEER THE HOMEOWNERS TO THE TOWN'S DEPARTMENT FOR PERMITS, INSPECTIONS, SUGGESTED CONTRACTORS, ET CETERA, CONTRACTS FOR THE WORK, WHETHER ENGINEERING OR CONSTRUCTION WILL BE BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNER AND THE CONTRACTORS.

UH, WE WILL ALSO BE IN THE POSITION TO ENCOURAGE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS TO WORK TOGETHER WHEN NECESSARY.

UM, WE WILL ALSO BE HAPPY TO ASSIST THE NEW DEPARTMENT THAT, UM, THE TOWN IS PUTTING FORTH, UM, INTO HELPING TO DRAFT ANY GUIDELINES OR SOP FOR THIS PROGRAM.

THANK YOU, FRAN.

AND NOW QUESTIONS FOR JANA EILEEN, MAYOR, BECAUSE I LIVE ON A WALL, I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF, SO I WILL TAKE THANK YOU, EILEEN.

WE'LL SEE YOU SHORTLY,

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HOPEFULLY SHORTLY.

ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS FOR JANA.

I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, JANA, IF I COULD, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS.

I KNOW IT WAS A TON AND, UM, WE'RE JUST SEEING THE, WHAT, WHAT MAY BE THE FINAL PRODUCT, SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.

UM, THE, THE PART I HAVE QUESTION IN ABOUT IS EXHIBIT A.

UM, AND MOST OF THIS IS UNDER THE MATCH AND REIMBURSEMENT INFORMATION.

UM, AND, AND SO THIS IS, UH, I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS REFERRING TO SWEAT EQUITY.

MM-HMM, .

UM, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND THIS.

UM, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT A SENTENCE IN HERE THAT SAYS SWEAT EQUITY LABOR WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED A COM A COMPONENT OF THE MATCH UNLESS THE ENTITY PROVIDING THE SWEAT EQUITY IS A LICENSED AND INSURED CONTRACTOR THAT HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD WORKING ON SIMILAR PROJECTS.

AND SO, UM, IF WE APPROVE THIS AS IS, UM, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE THE ONLY SCENARIO WHERE THERE WOULD BE SOME GIFT IN KIND WHERE SOMEBODY'S SUBMITTING, UH, SOME HOURS THAT THEY, THEY SAY THAT THEY, UH, FIVE HOURS OF FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION AND VARIOUS QUOTES, AND COULD YOU SHARE SOME COLOR ON THAT FOR ME? SURE.

SO, UM, WE DID LOOK TO OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED SIMILAR, SIMILAR PROGRAMS TO SEE HOW THEY WOULD APPLY IN KIND DONATIONS.

AND SOME OF THE COMMON THEMES THAT WE WERE SEEING IS THEY WERE, UM, ALLOWING THE TIME SPENT, GETTING QUOTES, PUTTING TOGETHER THE APPLICATION TO COUNT TOWARDS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S MATCH.

UM, IN SOME INSTANCES THERE WERE PROPERTIES THAT HAD A LICENSED ENGINEER THAT LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO THEY DEVELOPED CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.

UM, WHERE WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO AVOID IS HAVING INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT SKILLED IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY TRYING TO MAKE REPAIRS WITH TOWN DOLLARS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD THAT CLAIM IN THERE.

BUT IF THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP OR, OR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT COULD PROVE TO US, UM, THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK AND HERE'S THEIR LICENSES AND IT WAS A, A COMPANY THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER HIRING FOR THE SIMILAR TYPE OF WORK, WE WOULD COUNT THAT WORK TOWARDS THEIR MATCH.

AND, AND TO FURTHER THAT THOUGHT, ONE, I JUST, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS.

WHY, WHY THAT PERSON, I DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT, THAT PERSON, THAT ENTITY CHARGING, UM, THE HOA OR THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER AND THEN, AND THEN THAT BEING MM-HMM.

PART OF THE GRANT.

THEY MAY BE DONATING A PORTION OF THEIR SERVICES.

SO NOT ALL OF THEIR SERVICES IS WHAT WE HAD SEEN THAT, UM, THERE WERE INSTANCES WHERE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HAD HAD A CONTRACTOR THAT LIVED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO THEY PROVIDED A PORTION OF THE WORK FOR FREE BUT DID WANT.

SO THEY BASICALLY WERE TRYING TO RECOVER THEIR COST AND NOT THEIR OVERHEAD.

UM, AND SO THEY COULD APPLY A PORTION OF THAT TOWARDS THEIR MATCH.

SO THEY'RE DONATING, UM, JUST PART OF IT.

AND IT REALLY WOULD BE A CASE BY CASE WE, IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WOULD CONSIDER WITH EACH GRANT APPLICATION AND MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS A VALID CONSIDERATION.

YEAH, I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THAT.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A SLIPPERY SLOPE, UH, TO ME.

OTHER QUESTIONS, DARREN, ON THAT SAME VOLUNTEER TOPIC ON PAGE FIVE, YOU'VE GOT THE VOLUNTEER LANG, UH, SLIDE FIVE VOLUNTEER LANGUAGE THERE AT THE BOTTOM.

IS THAT THE VOLUNTEER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE QUALIFIED VOLUNTEER LICENSED? CORRECT.

JUST CURIOUS ON THAT.

AND IN LOOKING THROUGH THIS, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION OVER THE LAST FOUR MEETINGS.

SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS STILL GETTING UP AND RUNNING, WE HAVE ADJUSTED THE TIMELINE TO ALIGN WITH THE AUGUST 1ST 30TH, WHERE THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT'S AWARDED IS IN OCTOBER.

COUPLE YEARS ON THIS OR SO.

UM, I'M GLAD THAT IT'S HERE.

I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IT 'CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

UM, SOME OF THAT DETAIL IS, IS NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION OR, UH, THE THE DOCUMENT APPLICATION.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE MECHANICS OF THE PROGRAM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO APPROVE THIS.

SO SOME OF THESE DETAILS FINANCIALLY ESPECIALLY, SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHERE DOES THE FUNDING COME FROM? SURE.

SO IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT FOR YEAR ONE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THIS YEAR THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BUDGET AMENDMENT.

UM, THAT WAS THE INITIAL CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH COUNCIL SOME TIME AGO.

UM, BUT IF YOU NOTICE, WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT ROLLING OUT THE PROGRAM SOONER THAN LATER.

UM, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD

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AND SO, UM, OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND ALLOW COUNSEL TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT RECOMMENDATION THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

IF THERE WERE, UM, MORE REPAIRS IF, IF STAFF BEGAN.

'CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE UNTIL WE START DOING IT.

SO IF WE STARTED TO SEE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WASN'T SUFFICIENT FOR US TO ADDRESS IT, THE PROGRAM IS NOW ALIGNED IN A WAY THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN IDEA AS WE'RE HAVING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS THAT WE COULD, UM, PRESENT TO COUNCIL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE BUDGET BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

SO, BUT THIS YEAR WE WILL BE RECOMMENDING THAT WE START WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I, I'LL JUST ADD A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE AND VERY KIND OF MICRO THEN I'LL TALK MACRO OR THE PROGRAM, UH, BY APPROVING THE PROGRAM.

NOW, WHILE WE WON'T DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT RIGHT AWAY, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO STICK TO THAT TIMELINE, WE DO HAVE THE DISCRETION IN HERE TO EXPEDITE IF SOMETHING COMES FORWARD AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, WE COULD COME FORWARD WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT AT THAT POINT AND WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

SO THAT'S A BENEFIT OF DOING IT NOW IS IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF EMERGENCY OUT THERE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FROM THE OTHER STANDPOINT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING, THAT THIS IS THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE APPROVING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? WE'RE APPROVING THE PROGRAM, THE FRAMEWORK, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BASE IT ON MOVING FORWARD.

JUST LIKE ANYTHING, EVERY YEAR WE ADOPT A BUDGET, IT'S FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

SO WE, WE, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULDN'T GO AND COMMIT FIVE YEARS OF OPERATING FUNDS.

SO NOW WE HAVE THE PROGRAM IN PLACE AND THEN IT'LL BE A, IT'LL BE A BUDGET DECISION EVERY YEAR IS, UH, FOR HOW MUCH WE WANT TO PUT FORWARD TO IT.

WE'LL SEE IF A HUNDRED THOUSAND WORKS AS JANICE SAYS, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

MY HOPE IS THAT AS WE ENCOURAGE HOAS, WE ENCOURAGE GROUPS TO PLAN AHEAD AND GIVE US A FIVE YEAR PLAN.

WE CAN HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY CIP LOOKS LIKE IN FUTURE YEARS.

AND WE CAN KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA NEED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

THE MORE WE CAN PLAN, THAT'S WHY WE KEEP SAYING IT OVER AND OVER.

THE MORE WE CAN PLAN AHEAD AND TRY TO HAVE OUR COSTS BE LOWER UPFRONT ON MAINTENANCE, THE BETTER IT'S GONNA BE FOR PLANNING FROM, FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT AND ALSO HOPEFULLY KEEPING THE COSTS LOW AND NOT HAVING THOSE EMERGENCIES WHERE WALLS ARE IN BAD SHAPE.

SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, THAT IT DOES BECOME JUST A BUDGET CONVERSATION EVERY YEAR.

APPROVING THE PROGRAM DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA FUND THIS IN 2029.

HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR A PORTION OF THE WALL MAINTENANCE WHEN IN THEIR MIND IT WAS NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

IT JUST, UH, SETS US UP FOR THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

'CAUSE I REALLY HAD A LOT OF PROBLEM WITH NOT HAVING A LOT OF DETAIL IN THIS.

WE'RE APPROVING STUFF AND REALLY WE'RE APPROVING THE FRAMEWORK AND, AND, AND JUST A FRAMEWORK REALLY.

AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA FILL IN THE BLANKS AND SPECIFICALLY THE BUDGET AMOUNT, THE BUDGET REQUEST AMOUNTS AT BUDGET TIME.

THAT THAT DOES CLARIFY A LOT FOR ME.

SO I'M, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS NEW AND WE MAY CHANGE, UM, SOME ASPECTS OF THIS.

SO I'M, I'M VERY, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FRAMEWORK.

I THINK YOU, Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB ON THAT AND HOAS THANK YOU GUYS FOR, FOR WORKING ALONG.

UM, I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT START.

THANK YOU, DARREN.

YEAH, IT, THIS IS, UH, IT'S A START.

IT'S A START OF SOMETHING GOOD THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN TO, TO MAINTAIN THE APPEARANCE AND, AND THAT BRAND THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT WE LIKE TO MAINTAIN, MAKE SURE THAT WE, THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT ADDISON THAT WE DON'T HAVE THINGS, YOU KNOW, RUN DOWN AND DETERIORATING AROUND TOWN.

SO IT'S A START AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE CAN GO FROM HERE IF WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED AND SEE WHAT GOES FROM THERE.

BUT, UH, GUILLERMO, DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS? I DO.

UH, JANA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS EFFORT.

I KNOW IT WAS A HEAVY LIFT AND UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IS, IS VERY HELPFUL.

ON SLIDE FOUR, UH, YOU HAVE A LIST OF ADDISON NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.

ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS THERE ALL OF 'EM OR ARE YOU CALLING IT A GROUP HERE? NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP? I AM CALLING THEM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS BECAUSE SOME ARE MORE FORMAL HOAS THAT HAVE CC ANDRS AND SOME OF THEM ARE MORE INFORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT DON'T HAVE ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT AN HOA WOULD HAVE IN THEIR COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS.

SO OUR, DURING YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THESE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, UH, YOU FIND ANY RESISTANCE OR CHALLENGE THAT, UH, FOR PARTICIPATION OR JUST ACCESSIBILITY? ACCESSIBILITY TO THEM? W WHAT I HAVE FOUND, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PAINFUL THE 20% THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR INDIVIDUALS TO PAY FOR.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE, A SLIGHT BIT OF DISCOMFORT IN REALIZING THAT HOAS AND

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BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT APPRECIATION FOR THE TOWN DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THE AMOUNT, UM, THAT WE ARE REIMBURSING AND THAT'S THE 80% AND THE ABILITY THAT WE'VE, THE TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT WALKING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF MIXED.

WE'VE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE COULD ALL KEEP OUR MONEY, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, .

UM, SO WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, BUT WE'VE HEARD A VERY STRONG APPRECIATION, UM, FOR THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT WE'VE PUT INTO THIS AND THE APPROACH THAT WE'VE TAKEN AND THE FACT THAT THE TOWN IS WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE 80%.

SO CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY HERE? DOES THE HOA HAVE TO BE A PARTY TO THE CONTRACT? IT DEPENDS ON THE HO A'S CCNRS.

UM, SOME HOAS DO NOT DEFINE THAT THEY HAVE COMMON AREAS.

AND SO IN THAT INSTANCE, IF THEY DO NOT HAVE COMMON AREAS OR THEY DO NOT ADDRESS THE WALLS IN THEIR CCNRS, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE A PARTY.

BUT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO HELP COORDINATE.

UM, THERE ARE SOME HOAS THAT CALL OUT COMMON AREAS AND WALL MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO FILE THE APPLICATION.

I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED TO YOU.

WHERE, WHERE IN THE PROCESS IS THE CROSSCHECKED OR CONTROL TO ENSURE THAT WORK BEING PERFORMED IN ONE AREA WILL REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH ADJOINING WALLS AND WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT INTEGRITY OF OTHER SECTIONS.

I THINK THAT'S, UH, Q AND A TYPE OF QUESTION.

SO DURING THE, UM, PLAN REVIEW PROCESS OR THE SUBMITTAL PROCESS TO GET A PERMIT, UM, WOULD BE WHERE THAT HAPPENS.

AND THAT IS OUR STANDARD PROCESS FOR ANY TYPE OF PROJECT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT.

SO IN THE STANDARD PERMITTING PROCESS, THEN I SUSPECT THAT WE'RE, THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PERMITS FOR THE COST.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE USING OUR, OUR STANDARD, UH, COST FOR THE, FOR FENCING OR FOR, UH, WALLS ERECTION.

CORRECT.

SO, UM, IN THE SHADED AREA THAT'S ON PAGE TWO OF THREE ON EXHIBIT A, WHAT DOES THE NOTATION OF FIVE HOURS ADJACENT PROPERTY MEAN? SURE.

UM, SO IF THERE WAS A GRANT, UH, AND WE WILL CLARIFY THAT WHEN THIS IS A ROUGH FRAMEWORK, SURE.

BUT WHEN WE ROLL IT OUT, WE WILL BETTER DO A BETTER JOB OF DESCRIBING THAT.

UM, WHERE THERE'S A CO APPLICATION BETWEEN NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER AND SUBMITTED A JOINT APPLICATION BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTIES ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.

THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF FIVE HOURS THAT WOULD BE AWARDED FOR THE IN KIND DONATION OF THEIR TIME.

SO WE WOULDN'T GIVE EACH PROPERTY FIVE HOURS.

WE'RE ASKING THEM TO COMBINE THEIR EFFORTS AND TURN IN A JOINT APPLICATION.

THEY WOULD GET FIVE HOURS THAT THEY COULD COUNT TOWARDS THEIR TIME.

NANCY, ON THOSE, UM, SAME LINES THERE, CAN YOU SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ONCE, ONCE A PARTICULAR AREA HAS RECEIVED GRANT FUNDS? MM-HMM.

, UM, THEN THEY ARE, UM, THEY AGREE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE, UH, IN PERPETUITY.

UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT, UH, SINCE THEY'RE DOING THE MAINTENANCE, THAT, THAT THEY WOULD OR WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY FUTURE GRANTS? THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR FUTURE GRANTS.

BUT WHAT OUR EXPECTATION IS, IS THE HOMEOWNER WOULD APPLY A STANDARD OF CARE THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED TO KEEP THE WALLS IN GOOD CONDITION.

SO, UM, THEY COULDN'T RAISE THE GRADE BEHIND THE WALL.

IF IT WAS A RETAINING WALL, THEY COULDN'T PUT A HOLE IN IT, ADD ON ON TO IT, MAKE CHANGES TO IT.

THAT WOULD CAUSE THE WALL TO FALL INTO DISREPAIR SOONER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE.

UM, THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR GRANTS, BUT PROPERTIES THAT MAINTAIN THEIR WALLS DID NOT MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO 'EM THAT WEREN'T PROPERLY DONE THROUGH A PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD BE ABLE TO REAPPLY IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE WALLS DID NEED MAINTENANCE AGAIN.

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UM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OR COMMENT.

A QUESTION I GUESS, UM, HAVING TO DO WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, A POSSIBLE REVISION IN THE RESOLUTION.

SHOULD WE TAKE THAT UP NOW? OKAY.

UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND READING THE MATERIALS AND ALSO I, I HEARD OF ANOTHER, UM, CONCERN, UM, IN REGARD ARE JUST PERHAPS MAYBE THE NEED OF A CLARIFICATION ON, UM, WALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN WHERE THERE ARE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS OR EASEMENTS ALREADY IN PLACE.

AND, UM, I KNOW IN, IN A PART OR SO OF THE PRESENTATION, IT DOES MAKE NOTE THAT THAT WILL MAINTAIN, THAT WILL REMAIN AS IS.

BUT, UH, JUST THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS I WAS HAVING IS IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION, MAYBE WITH A, UM, MODIFIED WHEREAS, OR AN ADDITIONAL, WHEREAS THAT WOULD, UM, CLARIFY THAT.

AND I WAS JUST WANTING TO SEE IF THE COUNSEL COULD HELP US WITH SOME LANGUAGE.

YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.

I MEAN, AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM DOESN'T AFFECT ANY, UH, PROPERTIES THAT THE, THE TOWN CURRENTLY HAS A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN OR HAS AGREED TO.

UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD A CLARIFYING POINT.

AND SO I KIND OF KNEW THIS BEFOREHAND.

SO I'VE ACTUALLY PREPARED SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD ADD THAT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, WITHOUT OPENNESS TO ANY ADDITIONAL LIABILITY OR EXPOSURE, CREATING CONFUSION AS TO WHAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

UM, SO THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN ADD IS, WHEREAS THE PROGRAM WILL NOT AFFECT CURRENT OBLIGATIONS FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OR REPAIR OF CERTAIN SCREENING WALLS FOR WHICH THE TOWN HAS LEGALLY ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY.

I, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

I MEAN, IT SATISFIES MY CONCERN FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, OF CLARITY.

IF SOMEBODY WAS RESEARCHING THE QUESTION, IT WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S GOOD.

DARREN.

I WOULD LIKE ANOTHER TO OFFER ANOTHER SUGGESTION FOR A NEW ANOTHER, WHEREAS MODIFICATION REGARDING FUNDING SOMETHING LIKE, UM, UH, ANNUAL FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM WILL BE CONTINGENT ON THE ANNUAL BUDGET.

I THINK IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, DOESN'T IT? UH, IT MIGHT BE, KEEP IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.

DID WE WOULD'VE TO DO THAT ON EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT FORWARD , IF WE DON'T NEED IT, WE DON'T NEED IT.

EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON THE ANNUAL BUDGET, WANTED TO OFFER THAT AS A, AS A NICE, WHEREAS, 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, UH, WHEREAS IS ALREADY APPROVED IN THE BUDGET OR SOMETHING OF THAT.

IF, IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY, THEN COUNCIL RULES.

DO YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY, DAVID? BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT, IT COMES DOWN TO YOU GUYS.

I, I DON'T THINK IT'S REQUIRED.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF Y'ALL WANNA PUT IT IN INTO, I, I WOULD PROBABLY PUT IT JUST IN IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT, I WOULD THINK JUST PUT IT IN THE PROGRAM.

JUST MAKE THE STATEMENT.

IT'S INNOCUOUS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED IT TO, WHEREAS, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S IMPLIED AND IT'S ASSUMED, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT EXPLICIT, GO FOR IT.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT INCLINED TO INCLUDE THAT.

NOT MARRIED TO IT.

GET YOUR POINT YET.

I'M NOT MARRIED TO IT.

I'M GOOD.

YEAH, BECAUSE 'CAUSE THEN, THEN WHAT ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN SO CAN OF WORMS IN MY, IN MY MIND.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS, QUESTIONS, OR MOTION? I, I'VE JUST GOT A REAL QUICK QUESTION.

I, DOES DAN HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? IS HE MUTED OR, OR IS THAT HIS OWN DOING OR? DAN DOES HAVE THOUGHTS AND HE IS MUTED.

I KNOW HE HAS THOUGHTS.

I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN, YEAH, I'VE OBVIOUSLY READ THROUGH THIS AND OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THE WORK THAT WAS PUT IN FROM THE TOWN STAFF.

SO NOT CHANGING ANY VERBIAGE.

WE HAD HAD DISCUSSION IN PRIOR COUNCIL MEETINGS ABOUT COMING UP WITH A, A POOL OR A LIST OF QUALIFIED, UM, LICENSED CONTRACTORS.

I THINK I'D ASKED, MAYBE WE JUST HAVE A, A PRESET LIST WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHOP, WHETHER THEY BE HOA OR PRIVATE HOMEOWNER INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM GO OUT AND USE A POTENTIAL ENGINEERED LICENSED NEIGHBOR.

I THINK IT'D BE MORE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO JUST HAVE A SET LIST THAT THEY HAVE TO SHOP FROM THAT WE'VE ALREADY PRE-APPROVED.

THAT'S ALL, THAT'S MY ONLY THOUGHTS CONTINUED.

I I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WE, WE ARE AS, AS IDENTIFIED, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A SUGGESTED LIST.

UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A REQUIRED LIST.

IT'S NOT GONNA SAY YOU HAVE TO USE ONE OF THESE, THIS GROUP.

UM, 'CAUSE THAT KIND OF GETS US INTO SOME OTHER WATERS.

BUT, UM, WHAT WE CAN SAY IS IF YOU GO OUTSIDE OF THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO BET 'EM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE UP TO THAT STANDARD.

UM, BUT I THINK THE SUGGESTED LIST AND REALLY ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO USE THAT WILL, WILL GO A LONG WAY TO, TO GET WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

THANKS DAVID.

ANYTHING ELSE, DAN? I'M GOOD.

I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU

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NANCY.

I'M I I WAS JUST GOING TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

SO I HAR DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I'VE GOT ONE, YEAH.

ONE LAST COMMENT IF I COULD.

UH, IS THE REST OF THE COUNCIL OKAY WITH THE SWEAT EQUITY, UM, THE IN KIND VOLUNTEER, UM, DONATION THAT WORDING ON EXHIBIT A, I'M OKAY WITH IT AS, AS PRESENTED.

I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE MORE CLARIFIED IN THE, IN THE FINAL PROGRAM, BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT AS IS NOW.

WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CLARIFIED IN EXHIBIT A.

IS IT NOT? IT IS CLARIFIED.

I WOULD SAY WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE APPLICATION THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE IF THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY WERE GONNA PROVIDE SWEAT EQUITY.

SO WE WOULD DIVE IN AND GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I ASSUME.

SO NANCY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION.

UM, I, UM, MOVED TO APPROVE THIS ITEM WITH THE, UM, ADDITION OF THE, WHERE ADD THE ADDITIONAL JUAREZ CLO CLAUSE THAT WE HEARD, UH, FROM COUNSEL.

VERY GOOD.

IS THE MOTIONS ARE SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU DAN.

MOTION IS SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? VERY GOOD.

AND ITEM FIVE C IS APPROVED.

FIVE B IS APPROVED.

AND IF SOMEBODY WOULDN'T, THERE COMES EILEEN.

JANET IS VERY EXCITED TO HAND THAT OFF TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

I'VE BEEN TOLD I CAN'T COMPLETELY HAND IT OFF.

I WILL HAND OFF WHAT I CAN.

ALL RIGHT.

WELCOME BACK EILEEN.

ITEM FIVE C, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE INSTALLATION OF A PUBLIC ART PIECE CREATED BY ARTIST KEVIN BOX TO BE LOCATED IN A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT WITHIN THE JEFFERSON, A DEVELOPMENT.

[c. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution approving the installation of a public art piece created by artist Kevin Box to be located in a public access easement within the Jefferson Aero Development.]

JANA MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JANA TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

I HAVE DR.

J IREG WITH THE ADDISON ARBOR FOUNDATION WITH ME THIS EVENING.

HE WILL BE MAKING THE PRESENTATION, UM, ON THE PROPOSED PUBLIC ART PIECE.

UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE ADDISON ARBOR FOUNDATION, UM, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM IN ADDISON.

AND SO I WILL STAND OFF TO THE SIDE AND BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT WOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT PUBLIC ART AT THE END OF HIS PRESENTATION.

SO WITH THAT, I WELCOME DR.

HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? EXCELLENT, THANK YOU.

AND AS, UH, MR. TIDWELL SAID, MY NAME IS JAY IIG.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE AS ARBOR FOUNDATION, AND I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT, UM, BARBARA PAPPAS, WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT.

AND, UH, WE ARE COMING FORTH TO SEEK APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION, UH, OF A WORK OF ART ENTITLED FOLDING PLANES.

AND IT IS BY AN ARTIST NAMED KEVIN BOX.

UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF WHAT ONE OF THE EDITION LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ACTUAL PIECE, UH, BUT IT WILL BE ON, UH, UH, IT WILL BE A PAINTED CAST ALUMINUM, WHICH IS THE WHITE PART.

AND IT IS A SERIES OF SEVEN PIECES OF PAPER THAT ARE THE VARIOUS FOLDS THAT LEAD UP TO AN AIRPLANE THAT'S TAKING OFF.

SO IT TAKES SEVEN FOLDS TO GET TO THAT POINT TO MAKE A PAPER AIRPLANE.

UH, THE BASE IS CORE 10 STEEL.

YOU'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF PIECES IN ADDISON THAT WE HAVE THAT IS A WEATHERED STEEL FINISH.

UM, IT'S NATURALLY A RUSTED FINISH AND IT PREVENTS FUTURE RUST FROM ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

I KNOW IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING CONCEPT, BUT IT ABSORBS AROUND THE METAL AND PROTECTS IT.

UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO INSTALL THE PIECE.

UM, WE HAVE A SLIDE FOR, THIS IS THE, UM, UH, PIECES, LOCATION, AND IT'S, WE'LL BE FACING AIRPORT PARKWAY.

THIS WOULD NOT BE ON THE ADDISON ROADSIDE.

THE PIECES ON ADDISON AND AIRPORT PARKWAY.

THIS IS JUST TO THE EAST OF THAT INTERSECTION AND IT'LL BE FACING NORTH ONTO AIRPORT PARKWAY.

UH, THE DESIGN SHOWS A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ALMOST A, UH, PIZZA SLICE, UH, DESIGN THAT IS A DARK BRICK COLOR.

UH, AND IT WOULD BE, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT SHOWS A, YEAH, I THINK THAT WORKS.

THE BUILDING, BUT IT FOCUSES RIGHT ONTO THE PIECE OF ART.

SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE THIS, THE, IT IS VERY MUCH, UM, FOCUSED ON NOT ONLY TOWARD

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UM, IT IS SURROUNDED BY PLANT MATERIAL.

UM, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE, THE ARTIST ACTUALLY WAS IN SANTA FE BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND, UH, TALKED TO HIM ABOUT KIND OF THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT HE WOULD ENVISION FOR ONE OF HIS PIECES.

AND HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN A SETTING, BUT ALSO HAVE, UH, LANDSCAPE MATERIAL AROUND IT.

IT JUST KIND OF DRAWS YOUR EYE UP TO THE PIECE.

IT WOULD ALSO BE, UH, SEATED ON TOP OF A, UH, LOWER IN THE PICTURE.

THERE'S A LOWER WHITE PLINTH AT THE BOTTOM, OR, UH, BASE TO IT.

IT ACTUALLY WOULD BE, WE'VE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE SAME COLOR AS THE BROWN BRICK, SO IT'D BE THE SAME MATERIAL.

SO THERE WOULD BE CONTINUITY OF DESIGN.

ALSO, WHEN YOU LEAD UP TO THE CORTEN STEEL, OCCASIONALLY IT MIGHT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH WEATHER, IT MIGHT BLEED A LITTLE BIT.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT, IT WOULDN'T BE VERY NOTICEABLE ON THE, THE BROWN BRICK.

UM, THE PIECE IS APPROXIMATELY 90 INCHES TALL BY 29 BY 30 INCHES.

UM, IT'S A VERY HUMAN SHAPED, UH, PIECE.

SO WHEN PEOPLE WALK UP TO IT, YOU COULD FEEL VERY GOOD IN LOOKING AT THE PIECE OF ART.

IT ISN'T OVERWHELMING IN THE LOCATION, IT'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THE PIECE.

BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO WHAT THE, THE COLOR WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE PIECE.

UM, THE ARTIST WORKS, THE, THE WHITE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE A LITTLE FINISH OVER IT.

IT WOULD BE KINDA LIKE A, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM DAYS LONG AGO THAT PEOPLE USED TO ANTIQUE FURNITURE AND IT PUT A LITTLE BROWN GLAZE ON IT.

IT HAS SORT OF THAT APPEARANCE SO YOU ACTUALLY CAN SEE THE FOLDS IN EACH OF THE PIECES LEADING UP TO THE AIRPLANE.

SO IT'S KIND OF FUN TO, TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE ALSO THINK IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE DEVELOPER.

'CAUSE THE PROJECT IS NAMED, UM, ARROW AND IT'S AN AERONAUTICAL THEME KEEPING WITH THE LOCATION NEAR THE ADDISON AIRPORT.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

WE ARE JUST THINKING APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION THIS EVENING FROM, FROM THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU JAY.

QUESTIONS MARLIN? UH, YEAH.

HEY, DR.

JAY.

UM, WOULD THIS INCLUDE A MONUMENT SIGN LIKE WE HAVE AT OUR OTHER ART PIECES? YES.

THANKS NANCY.

I'M, I'M SORRY, JQ THERE.

UH, UH, I APPRECIATE THIS, UH, THE EFFORT THAT THE ARBOR FOUNDATION PUTS ON, UH, UH, PROVIDES FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON.

LOOKING AT THE RENDERING HERE ON, ON PAGE THREE OF TWO, THIS WHAT I, HERE, THIS IS IT RIGHT HERE.

I WANTED TO ASK JANA ABOUT THIS JUST SO THAT WE'RE, UH, UNDERSTAND, UH, WHETHER THERE'S A CHALLENGE HERE OR NOT.

THIS SEEMS TO BE, UM, ACCESSIBLE IN THIS PHOTO AND IT TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT BEING ON OR NEAR PRIVATE PROPERTY, HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS OR THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THIS.

AND I SUSPECT THE OTHER PIECES OF ART THROUGHOUT TOWN.

JUST GIVE US THAT HIGHLIGHT AGAIN.

THE INSTALLATION IS LOCATED WITHIN A, UM, PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC SPACE WITHIN THE JEFFERSON ARROW DEVELOPMENT.

UM, IT IS ON J'S PROPERTY, HOWEVER, UM, DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT IN PLACE FOR THE ARTWORK.

UM, THAT GIVES THE TOWN THE RIGHT TO MAINTAIN THE ART AND THE PUBLIC THE RIGHT TO ACCESS THE ART.

UM, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE AT SEVERAL OTHER INSTALLATION SUCH, SUCH AS THE, UM, ARCADIA SCULPTURE THAT IS LOCATED OFF OF BELTWAY AT THE HAMPTON INN PROPERTY THAT IS ON HAMPTON INN PROPERTY.

THEY GAVE AN EASEMENT TO THE TOWN.

UM, WE ALSO DID THIS AT THE ALEY PROPERTY THAT'S ON QUORUM WITH A SPECTRA SCULPTURE THAT IS OFF OF SPECTRUM.

UM, IT'S THE VERY SAME APPLICATION THAT IT WAS INSTALLED IN A PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC SPACE AND THERE WAS A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT PROVIDED FOR THE ARTWORK.

VERY GOOD.

I I APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE ON THAT AND GOOD WORK ON THIS DR.

SO JANET, DOES THAT PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT, DOES IT JUST FOR THE SPACE WHERE THE ART PIECE IS? OR IS THERE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT LEADING UP TO SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY COME AND GO FROM IT? IT IS FROM THE STREETSCAPE TO THE ART PIECE.

IT IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR TOWN TO SHOWCASE WHAT WE HAVE DONE.

AND AROUND THE ART PIECE.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU EILEEN.

I LOVE OUR PUBLIC ART IN TOWN AND I THINK

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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE SPENT SIGNIFICANT FUNDS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE SOMETHING IN THIS, THAT WE REQUIRE A PLAN TO BE IN PLACE TO BETTER PROMOTE OUR PUBLIC ART.

I THINK IT IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY, AND RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH, UM, THE GREATER COMMUNITY AND USE IT TO DRAW PEOPLE TO TOWN.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT AS A CAVEAT FOR, UH, APPROVING THIS PROJECT.

DARREN, JUST A QUESTION.

DR.

IREG, THANK YOU, UH, TO THE, UH, UH, COMMITTEE THAT DONATED THIS AND FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

I DID THE ARC TOUR A COUPLE TIMES AND IT'S, IT'S, I'VE NOT DONE ALL OF IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY, UH, VERY NICE 90 INCHES.

IS THAT INCLUDING THE BASE? I MEAN, THE, THE PIECE DOESN'T LOOK 90 INCHES.

THAT WOULD BE IN TOP OF THE ACTUAL MM-HMM.

THAT IS ON.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, CORTEN STEEL PORTION MM-HMM.

SO THE MIDDLE, GO BACK TO THIS ONE, RIGHT.

THAT ALL OF THAT, THAT, THAT PIECE AND THE WHITE PIECE ON TOP.

THAT WOULD BE A, SO THERE WOULD BE AN APPROXIMATELY TWO, I THINK IT WAS 20, 24 INCHES.

24 INCHES FOR THE, THE BASE.

THAT WOULD BE FROM THE GROUND UP TO THE CORTAN.

SO THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL TWO FEET ON TOP OF THAT.

UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, WE DID HAVE A VERY GENEROUS ARCHITECT THAT DONATED THEIR TIME TO CREATE THE RENDERINGS HERE.

FOR NO CHARGE.

UM, BUT THERE WAS A LITTLE ARTISTIC LICENSE TAKEN.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR FOLDED AIRPLANES AND NOT, IT'S SEVEN FOLDS TO MAKE AN AIRPLANE.

AND SO IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON SITE.

I WAS GONNA ASK BUT I DIDN'T ASK.

SO THANKS FOR ANSWERING.

ANYWAY, READ MY MIND.

UM, AND THEN A, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL FOR, FOR, UH, FOR YOU, UH, DR.

I THANK YOU.

ON THE, THE VERBIAGE, UH, OF THE RESOLUTION.

DO WE WANT TO ADD, IT SAYS, IT SAYS DESIRES TO INSTALL CERTAIN ART.

WOULD IT BE DONATE AND INSTALL BECAUSE THE OTHER, UM, PARTS OF THE RESOLUTION ACCEPTS A DONATION? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST A FORMALITY.

DO WE NOT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT? I THINK IT'S OKAY BECAUSE THIS IS AWARE AS RECITAL.

SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A SUMMARY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.

UH, BUT THE SECTION ONE IS WHAT IS THE, IS THE ACTUAL ACTION AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE APPROVING AND ACCEPTING THE DONATION.

GOOD.

I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR EITHER DR.

J OR JENNA TO EILEEN'S POINT ABOUT PROMOTING THE ARBOR FOUNDATIONS ART INSTALLATIONS, I FEEL THE SAME WAY EILEEN DOES.

I DON'T THINK WE GET ENOUGH, UH, OOMPH OR PROMOTION BEHIND IT.

WHEN WE HAVE A A C UM, SUMMER CAMPS AS AN EXAMPLE, CAN WE ADD A COMPONENT OR ADD A CAMP THAT WOULD HAVE, UH, AS A PART OF ONE OF THE DAYS OUT, ONE OF THE BUS TOURS INSTEAD OF IT BEING ATHLETICS INDOORS WOULD BE SOME COMPONENT OF TAKING THE CHILDREN OR THE CAMPERS ON A TOUR OF THESE INSTALLATIONS? IS THAT SAFETY CONCERNS? IS IT PRACTICALITY? 'CAUSE I SAW ON THE CAMPS WE ARE OFFERING BUS TOURS, BUT NOTHING HAS TO DO WITH THE BUS TOURS RELATED TO OUR ART INSTALLATIONS.

OUT WHERE WE HAVE PLAQUES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A QR CODE, UM, A LITTLE SMALL PLAQUE THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT ON THE CONCRETE FOUNDATIONS THAT WOULD DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE AUTOCAST APP.

, UM, THAT WOULD BE A VERY EASY, UM, PROGRAM FOR US TO ROLL INTO OUR CAMPS.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY NOW GONNA HAVE A VAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF IT WILL EVER ARRIVE.

UM, SO WE HAVE STARTED INTEGRATING ART INTO SOME OF THE CAMPS THAT WE HAVE OFFERED.

ONE OF THE FAVORITE ONES THAT WE DID RECENTLY WAS, UM, WE HAD THE CAMPERS PROVIDE OR CREATE ART DURING THE WEEK, AND THEN WE TURNED THE RACKETBALL COURTS INTO A GALLERY AND LET THEM DISPLAY THEIR WORK AND BRING THEIR PARENTS UP.

AND SO WE COULD DO SOMETHING ALONG A 3D ELEMENT WHERE THEY GET TO SEE ADDISON'S PUBLIC ART COLLECTION AND THEN WE BRING 'EM BACK TO THE ATHLETIC CLUB AND THEY GET TO TRY THEIR HAND AT CREATING SMALL 3D ARTWORKS.

UM, I THINK THAT'S A VERY EASY THING THAT WE COULD DO.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SHARE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE THE AUTOCAST APP THAT WE'RE ADVERTISING ALL OF THE ART PIECES AND WE HAVE RECORDINGS FROM THE ARTIST.

UM, WE WERE FEATURED IN A DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE LAST YEAR THAT, UM, PROCLAIMED ADDISON AS THE PUBLIC ART CAPITAL OF TEXAS.

UM, WHICH I, I FEEL IS PROBABLY PRETTY SPOT ON, UM, BASED ON THE NUMBER AND QUALITY OF ARTWORKS THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE DO HAVE A FEW OTHER THINGS IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, ROLLING

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SO IF YOU'RE OUT EXPLORING THE ART COLLECTION, YOU COULD FIND THAT.

UM, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING A MAP THAT NOT ONLY WOULD HAVE OUR TRAIL SYSTEM ON IT, BUT IT WOULD ALSO LOCATE WALKING PATHS WHERE YOU COULD EXPLORE OUR PUBLIC ART COLLECTION.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PRINT THOSE AND HAVE THOSE HANDED OUT TO OUR HOTELS.

UM, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO INTERNALLY BRAINSTORM ON OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO PROMOTE OUR PUBLIC ART COLLECTION.

BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.

IT IS AMAZING AND ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO DRAW PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND WANT TO EXPERIENCE IT WOULD BE A WIN FOR ALL OF US PERHAPS.

SO JUST TO FOLLOW, FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, JENNA, THAT'S, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

AND, AND BACK TO JUST SORT OF BRAINSTORMING OR SHOOTING, DO WE, DO WE INVITE PRINCIPALS OR ART TEACHERS FROM LOCAL SCHOOLS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA TO HAVE A PARTICIPATION OF SOME SORT OF A SCAVENGER HUNT TO CR ART? IS, IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE COMMUNICATED TO LOCAL EDUCATORS? WE HAVE NOT COMMUNICATED THAT, BUT WE COULD EASILY REACH OUT TO GREENHILL AND TCA AND, AND GEORGE BUSH AND MAKE 'EM AWARE OF OUR PUBLIC ART COLLECTION AND SHARE OUR MAPS WITH THEM AND SHARE THE AUTOCAST APP WITH THEM.

WE COULD DO THAT.

WONDERFUL.

AND THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE ARCHITECT THAT DID TAKE THE HOURS TO PUT THESE CADS TOGETHER.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, EILEEN? YEAH, I, I LOVE THAT IDEA.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO BE ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO OUR HOTELS.

AND SO PUTTING TOGETHER ART TOURS, ART WALKS, MAYBE IT'S, UM, I DON'T KNOW, A MARATHON WHERE YOU RUN FROM ART PIECE TO ART PIECE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK THAT WE ARE MISSING A REAL OPPORTUNITY THERE.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN USE THAT TO ALSO DRIVE PEOPLE TO STAY IN OUR HOTELS IN TOWN AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

AND, AND I THINK THOSE ARE ALL GREAT IDEAS.

UH, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT INCLUDED IN THIS AGENDA ITEM, BUT I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HAVING A WORK SESSION AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE WHERE WE CAN GET A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AS TO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING.

'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DOING A LOT ALREADY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AWARENESS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THEN MAYBE BRAINSTORM AS A GROUP AS TO WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO, TO FURTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE THE, THE, THESE GREAT, THIS GREAT ART COLLECTION THAT WE HAVE HERE.

AND IT IS, IT IS AN ART COLLECTION.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO IS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN A WORK SESSION, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

UH, MARLON MAYOR, I AGREE WITH YOU AND I, I I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA, WOULDN'T IT? FOR US TO YES.

PROOF.

SO YEAH.

I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH.

AND I THINK IT'S A SEPARATE BOTH COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S ADDRESS IT.

BUT YEAH, WHEN WE CAN LEGALLY YES.

LAST QUICK QU LAST QUICK QUESTION FROM ME.

UM, DR.

JAY CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

KNOWING THE LAST FEW INSTALLATIONS HAVE COME FROM ARTISTS FROM NEW MEXICO, ARE WE SOURCING ANY FUTURE ART WORKS PROJECTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WE GET QUITE A FEW FROM, FROM TEXAS.

UM, PARDON ME, QUINTET, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, QUINTET, WHICH WAS JUST INSTALLED, THAT IS THE, UH, THE FISH INSTALLATION THERE AT, UH, VI TRIVIAN.

THAT IS A TEXAS ARTIST.

UM, THE ONCE IN A WHILE, IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE HAD A LOT FROM NEW MEXICO.

WE REALLY HAVE NOT HAD THAT MANY.

WE HAD THE ARTISTS THAT CREATED CHACO.

ONE WAS FROM NEW MEXICO.

UM, AND THEN THIS CURRENT WORK, PREVIOUS, THE, UM, MEDITATION THREE TENORS, UH, THAT PARTICULAR ARTIST IS ACTUALLY FROM COLORADO.

UM, HE DID, HIS FAMILY WAS FROM NEW MEXICO AT ONE POINT.

THAT WAS JUST COINCIDENTAL.

THANKS FOR CLARIFYING.

THANKS.

UM, IN THIS SPECTRA SCULPTURE OVER BY AMALI.

OH, AND I'M SORRY.

AND DAVID HICKMAN, UH, MR. REMINDED ME OF THAT DAVID HICKMAN NOW LIVES IN NEW MEXICO.

UM, THAT'S 'CAUSE HE RETIRED AND MOVED TO NEW MEXICO, BUT HE WAS FROM THE DALLAS AREA.

GQ, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I DID.

I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION AND THIS, I KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR INSTALLATIONS HAVE A LIGHTING COMPONENT.

ARE THERE PLANS FOR LIGHTING COMPONENT ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE? SURE.

THERE IS, UM, LIGHTING THAT IS INTEGRATED INTO THIS OPEN SPACE THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING.

THEY TOOK SOME OF THE VISUAL CLUTTER OUT.

UM, BUT THE INTENT WOULD BE FOR US TO TIE LIGHTING ONTO THAT, THOSE EXISTING POLES, TO ILLUMINATE THE SCULPTURE.

WE'VE DONE THAT ON SEVERAL INSTALLATIONS, LIKE GOLDEN HOUR, THAT'S AT THE WATER TOWER.

THAT'S HOW WE ILLUMINATED THAT ONE,

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AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT APPROACH.

IS THERE A MOTION MAYOR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

AND ITEM FIVE C IS APPROVED.

SIX, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

THANK YOU JANA.

MOVING ON TO ITEM

[6. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.]

THIS IS THAT TIME FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, UH, ADDRESS ANY ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS.

CONGRATULATIONS.

CONDOLENCES.

ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP? ANYBODY? WELL, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING I, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK AND COMMEND THE STAFF FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A GREAT, UH, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION FOR US LAST WEEK.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS A DAY AND A HALF OF, OF REALLY GOOD WORK, GREAT DISCUSSION.

SOME DISAGREEMENT, BUT CIVILLY AND, BUT IT WAS REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION.

I THINK WE ENDED UP IN A REALLY GOOD PLACE.

YOU GUYS CHOSE A REALLY GOOD, UH, UH, UH, PERSON TO, TO FACILITATE THAT FOR US, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAD THE CONSULTANT IN PLACE AND THEY WALKED US THROUGH EVERYTHING.

KEPT US, GOT US BACK ON TRACK WHEN WE NEEDED TO BE, UH, WHEN WE GOT DERAILED A LITTLE BIT.

BUT, UM, REALLY GREAT WORK AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HARD WORK ON THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFF.

SO THANKS SO MUCH FOR EVERYBODY.

ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY ELSE? I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT I ENJOYED SEEING THE, A ABILENE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY SPACE.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS INTERESTING TO BE THERE.

SO I WAS, I WAS, UH, PLEASED FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AS TO WORK ON THE STRATEGIC PLANNING.

YEAH, THAT WAS NICE TO BE IN THAT SPACE.

I HAD NOT BEEN UP THERE BEFORE.

I HAD NOT EITHER.

ANYBODY ELSE? DARREN? I'D LIKE TO ECHO ON THIS STRATEGIC PLAN.

I, I THOUGHT IT WAS WELL DONE.

IT WAS NICE.

IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE.

UM, UH, AND TO GET THE RESULTS OF HAVING THE EXPERTS IN THE ROOM, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND, UH, I THINK WE, I WAS FRUSTRATED A LITTLE BIT OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, UH, THE WAY THAT IT WAS DONE AND THE TIME THAT WE DID IT.

'CAUSE WE DID IT WAY IN LIKE MAY THE FIRST TIME I WAS HERE ON, ON COUNCIL.

AND I FELT JUST COMPLETELY, HONESTLY USELESS AS FAR AS MAKING GOOD DECISIONS.

SO MOVING IT WAY BACK, UH, UH, INTO FEBRUARY MADE A, MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON, ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF IT.

SO I THINK IT WAS WELL DONE ALL THE WAY AROUND.

YEAH, IT WAS GREAT.

I KNOW MARLON AND I WERE TALKING A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT HOW HOW NICE IT WAS TO HAVE THE STAFF THERE WITH US WORKING, WORKING ALONGSIDE WITH US AND, AND IT ALL WORKING TOGETHER.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE PROFESSIONALS AND WE, AND THEY'RE NICE TO LET US WORK ALONGSIDE WITH THEM.

SO IT WAS REALLY GREAT.

SO, NICE.

I JUST WANNA ECHO THAT.

UM, IT WAS WORK, BUT IT WAS FUN WORK.

AND, AND WITH STAFF WE PRODUCED BETTER RESULTS ABSOLUTELY.

THAN, THAN MY PREVIOUS FOUR GO AROUNDS.

ANYBODY ELSE? VERY GOOD.

WELL IT IS 9 42 AND SO WE'LL GO AND ADJOURN FOR THE EVENING.

THANKS EVERYBODY.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.