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ALL[1. Call Meeting to Order]
RIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON.KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
UH, WELCOME BACK TO THE, UH, OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT.
IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SINCE WE LAST MET, UH, ACTUALLY AUGUST, 2022.
UH, WHERE WE LEFT OFF, UH, WAS THE REVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE SECOND PHASE OF, UH, THE REVIEW OF THE CODE DOCUMENT, UM, DUE TO SOME ONGOING CHALLENGES, UH, BEING, STAFFING AND THEN, UH, WORKLOAD AND OTHER PRIORITIES, UH, WE HAD A GAP IN THIS PROJECT, BUT THIS IS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THE TOWN, AND PARTICULARLY AS WE HAVE, UM, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY LIKE WE DO NOW, IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF UPDATING, REFINING, AND IMPROVING OUR CODE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CONSTANTLY BE NEGOTIATING, UH, THESE CODE PROVISIONS ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS.
INSTEAD, WE HAVE A GOOD, STRONG CODE THAT ACHIEVES THE GOALS OF THE TOWN, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERY PROJECT.
SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE SIGNS AND WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME NEW FOLKS, UH, BOTH WITH THE COMMITTEE AS WELL AS OUR STAFF THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE.
BUT GIVEN IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SINCE WE HAVE, UH, MET AS A GROUP, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE, UH, INTRODUCTIONS FOR ALL THE MEMBERS AGAIN.
UH, AND ONE CHANGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT, UH, WE DID NOT DO WITH PREVIOUS MEETINGS IS THAT WE ARE, UH, BEING BROADCAST LIVE AND RECORDED.
SO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE, UH, DURING THIS MEETING, WE WILL LIVE ON THE TOWNS WEBSITE INTO ETERNITY.
SO, UH, WHEN YOU DO, UM, ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMITTEE, UH, PLEASE DO USE THE MICROPHONE THAT'S, UH, BEFORE YOU, AND YOU SEE NOW THAT THEY'RE ALL BLINKING RED.
SO WHEN YOU DO SPEAK, UH, PLEASE PUSH THAT RED, UH, MIC BUTTON AT THE BASE, AND WHEN IT GOES GREEN, UH, YOU ARE LIVE AND SPEAK INTO THE MIC AND OUR SYSTEM WILL PICK YOU UP.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO START BY INTRODUCING OUR NEWEST STAFF MEMBER, JADE BROAD.
NEXT IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MANAGER.
SHE WILL BE THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT AND ME NOT DOING IT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE A LOT FASTER, AND WE'LL GET IT DONE HERE SOON,
UH, IN MEETINGS THAT FOLLOW THIS ONE, JADE WILL BE, UH, TAKING ON THE STAFF ROLE OF LEADERSHIP.
SO YOU'LL HEAR A LOT LESS FROM ME.
I'LL BE A STAKEHOLDER IN THE PROCESS, AND JADE WILL BE YOUR PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THEN OF COURSE YOU DO, UH, I'M SURE YOU DO REMEMBER OUR CONSULTANT PROJECT MANAGER, MATT GOBEL, WHO'S WITH US TODAY.
UH, AND THEN HIS COLLEAGUE, UH, THAT IS ALSO WORKING ON THE PROJECT.
THEY'RE BASED IN COLORADO, OF COURSE, IS JOINING VIA ZOOM, GABBY HART.
UH, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO WORK WITH GABBY AS WE MOVE INTO THE LAST STAGES OF THE PROJECT AGAIN.
SO, WITH THAT, MATT, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, TAKE OVER AND WORK US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, I REMAIN INTRODUCTION.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING BACK.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE FAMILIAR FACES, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU STICKING WITH US OVER AN EXTENDED, UH, TIMEFRAME NOW.
SO I REALLY PLEASED TO HAVE THAT, UH, CONTINUATION.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO GO AROUND THE TABLE REAL FAST AND JUST REMIND FOLKS, UM, BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAMILIARITY WITH, WITH ZONING AND ADDISON AND, AND, AND WHO YOU'RE WITH, ED.
ED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START, UM, YOU'RE, ARE WE FAMILIAR WITH IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, WELL, YOUR, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE IN ADDISON, KIND OF WHAT BROUGHT YOU TO THE COMMITTEE? WELL, I'M AN ARCHITECT AND, UM, BEEN PRACTICING FOR OVER 30 YEARS NOW.
LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WITH, UM, UH, PNZ ISSUES, UH, FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND THE REASON I'M HERE IS I'M VERY INTERESTED IN GIVING BACK TO THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
I LIVED IN ADDISON 40 YEARS, WHICH I FIND HARD TO IMAGINE.
UH, MY EXPERIENCE PROFESSIONALLY WAS IN REAL, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION, PRIMARILY CONSTRUCTION SIDE OR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, NOT ON, NOT RESIDENTIAL.
I'VE HAD, UH, EXPERIENCE ON THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT CITY COUNCIL, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH ADDISON.
UH, I'VE ONLY BEEN IN, LIVED IN TOWN 30 YEARS WITH JIMMY, HAVE
CATHERINE WHEELER LIVED HERE OVER 27 YEARS,
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LICENSED INTERIOR DESIGNER.UM, I HAVE SERVED ON BZA 10 YEARS ON PLANNING AND ZONING AS CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN, AND TWO YEARS ON COUNCIL.
BEEN HERE 20 SOMETHING YEARS, UH, WORKED IN THE, UH, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT WORK FOR, FROM A PUBLIC RELATIONS VIEWPOINT FROM PROBABLY 30 SOMETHING YEARS, THEN A LOT OF GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK.
SO I'VE PAID ATTENTION TO ZONING AND CODES AND THAT SORT OF THING OVER THE YEARS.
UH, I HAVE BEEN A, UH, I IN THE COMPANY I'M WITH, HAVE BEEN A BUSINESS CITIZEN HERE IN ADDISON, UH, FOR ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 60 YEARS, PROBABLY CLOSE TO 70 YEARS NOW.
UM, BACKGROUND IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AND, UH, WAS ASKED TO SERVE ON THIS BODY, UH, BY FORMER COUNCILMAN IVAN HUGHES.
YOU CAN REMEMBER WHO APPOINTED YOU
I'M WITH AM RESIDENTIAL, AND, UH, WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF OWNING AND, AND DEVELOPING, UH, MULTIFAMILY CLASS A PROPERTIES.
AND IN ADDISON, WE'VE BEEN A CORPORATE CITIZEN HERE FOR OVER A DECADE, AND, UH, HAVE HAD A LOT OF WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY, THE TOWN, THE STAFF, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA STRESS THAT I THINK THIS IS JUST A CRITICAL TIME TO BE WORKING ON THESE CODE RELATED ITEMS. AT THE SAME TIME, THE TOWN IS ENDEAVORING TO GO THROUGH A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO PART AND PARCEL AS WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THESE TOGETHER FOR THE CONTINUED REDEVELOPMENT AND, AND GROWTH THE RIGHT WAY, UH, IN ADDISON.
SO, UM, IT'S A REAL, UM, IT'S A REAL BENEFIT THAT I THINK THAT HAPPENED, UH, ALONG ALONG THIS JOURNEY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I, TREY SWINDLE, UM, BEEN A RESIDENT FOR 19 YEARS, SO I GUESS I'M A NEWBIE.
UM, I ALSO WORK IN AN ADJOINING CITY CALLED FARMER'S BRANCH.
AND, UH, I WORK WITH HODGES ARCHITECTURE.
I SPECIALIZE IN DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT, SO I'M HOPING TO BRING SOME OF MY EXPERTISE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT THE ARCHITECTS KIND OF FACE.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK Y'ALL FOR GOING THROUGH THE REINTRODUCTIONS ED.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE IS HAVING THIS ISSUE, BUT WITH THE ECHO IN HERE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ADJUST THE SOUND SYSTEM? IS ANYONE ELSE HAVING THAT ISSUE? JUST ME.
SHE'S GONNA DO A FEW SLIDES LATER ON.
LET US KNOW IF IT GETS, IF IT CONTINUES TO BE BAD ED, THANKS.
UM, WELL, WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THE, THE REINTRODUCTIONS AGAIN, THAT, THAT EXERCISE JUST HELPS REMIND ME ABOUT THE, THE INCREDIBLE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ALL HAVE, UH, FROM WITH ADDISON IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR STICKING, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AND DOING THE REINTRODUCTIONS.
APPRECIATE BEING REMINDED ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT FOR THE RECORD SINCE THIS IS BEING RECORDED.
[1. Present and discuss the Sign and Wireless Communication Facility (WCF) sections of the Unified Development Code (UDC).]
ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN.UM, WE'RE GONNA REMIND YOU BRIEFLY WHO WE ARE.
THE, THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO REMIND YOU ABOUT HERE, THERE'S GABBY, I WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT JIM DOHERTY IS ON THE TEAM.
JIM IS A, IS A, IS A WELL-KNOWN, UH, TEXAS LAND USE ATTORNEY, WHO'S HELPING TO ADVISE THE TEAM JUST ON THE NUANCES OF TEXAS LAW, WHICH COME UP IN THINGS LIKE SIGN REGULATIONS COME UP IN THINGS LIKE WIRELESS CONTROL.
SO, UH, TO SUPPORT THE CITY ATTORNEY IN THIS PROJECT, IN THIS PROCESS, JIM IS ON THE TEAM.
UM, LET'S REMIND YOU FIRST OF ALL WHERE WE ARE IN THE, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, WE ARE MIDWAY THROUGH THE DRAFTING OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE'RE MIDWAY THROUGH COLUMN THREE THERE.
SO WE KICKED THIS OFF QUITE A WHILE AGO, BACK IN, IN 2018, AND WE HAD DELAYS FOR COVID, WE HAD DELAYS, YOU KNOW, FOR STAFFING AS KEN MENTIONED, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO REESTABLISH MOMENTUM TO TRY TO PICK THE BALL UP.
WE HAVE GOTTEN THE FIRST TWO PIECES OF THE DRAFTING DONE ALREADY.
THAT WAS THE, THE ZONE DISTRICTS AND USES AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND IF YOU RECALL, WE DID THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN, IN THREE DIFFERENT PARTS.
SO WE CAME OUT FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS THERE.
UM, WE ARE NOW WITH THE, THE SIGNS AND THE WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES.
THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE THE FOURTH INSTALLMENT ACTUALLY.
UH, BUT WE, UH, DECIDED BECAUSE THIS PIECE WAS READY TO GO, THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND JUST REESTABLISH THE MEETING SCHEDULE BY ACCELERATING THE MEETINGS ON THIS TOPIC.
AND THEN WE'LL HOLD THE FINAL TOPIC ON ADMINISTRATION UNTIL THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2024.
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THAT'S ALL BEEN DRAFTED.IT'S BEING REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED INTERNALLY BY THE STAFF.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE US PRETTY QUICKLY COME BACK WITH THAT FINAL PIECE OF THE CODE, WHICH DEALS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT PROCEDURES LIKE REZONINGS OR SPECIAL USE PERMITS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'LL BE THE FINAL MAJOR PIECE.
AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE US IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR ON THAT.
YOU HAVE BEEN GIVING US FEEDBACK ALONG THE WAY ON ALL THOSE DIFFERENT INSTALLMENTS.
WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
WE ARE GOING TO INCORPORATE ALL THAT FEEDBACK INTO A CONSOLIDATED DRAFT OF ALL THE MATERIAL PUT TOGETHER, UH, THAT YOU WILL SEE PROBABLY LATE IN THE SPRING OF 2024.
THAT'S GONNA BE A FULL DOCUMENT THAT COMBINES EVERYTHING YOU'VE SEEN REFLECTING THE EDITS THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT.
UM, WE'LL THEN HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS ON THAT CONSOLIDATED DRAFT.
THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY YOUR CHANCE TO SEE HOW ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES FIT TOGETHER, UM, AND SEE SOME OF THOSE PIECES THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN FOR A WHILE.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO YOU'LL START TO SEE HOW ALL THOSE PIECES FIT TOGETHER.
UM, WE'LL GET FEEDBACK ON THAT.
THEN WE'LL TURN AROUND AN ADOPTION DRAFT, UM, AND THEN THAT WILL BE INTENDED FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AS A, AS A NEW ORDINANCE.
AND SO THAT'LL GO THROUGH THE, THE FULL ROUND OF MEETINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION BY THE P AND Z AND ADOPTION BY THE COUNCIL.
UH, THE INTENT, THE GOAL IS TO GET THAT DONE BY THE FALL OF 2024.
SO THE CITY'S NEW, UH, GOAL IS, IS SEPTEMBER OF 2024 FOR ADOPTION OF THE NEW UDC.
UM, IT'S AMBITIOUS, BUT I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF WORK UNDERWAY, SO IN THE PAST.
AND SO I THINK ONCE WE REESTABLISH MOMENTUM HERE, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY ACHIEVABLE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT? YEAH, REAL QUICK.
I, I, UM, UH, I, I SEEM TO RECALL ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS, IT WAS SUCH A CRITICAL SECTION, UH, AND MAYBE WANTING TO HAVE MORE TIME, BUT DID WE, DID WE IN ESSENCE LEAVE YOU HANGING? DID, DID WE, DID WE GIVE ENOUGH DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE? AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT SECTION WAS ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED? I KNOW THE LAST THING YOU WANNA DO IS GO BACKWARDS, BUT, UH, I'D BE REMISS IN NOT ASKING THE QUESTION IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT HAS HAD THE, UM, THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES.
I THINK, UH, WE GOT SUFFICIENT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE, UH, AT THAT TIME.
I, I DO BELIEVE THAT ADDITIONAL REFINEMENT IS NEEDED BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK AS WELL AS, UH, THE, SOME ITEMS THAT WERE, WERE NOTICED BY STAFF AT THAT TIME.
SO WHEN WE DO BRING FORWARD THE DRAFT OF THE WHOLE DOCUMENT, THERE WILL BE MORE CHANGE REFLECTED.
UM, ONE THING THAT, UM, STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT IS STILL DISCUSSING LESS SO ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD SIDE, UM, MORE SO ON THE VERY FIRST SECTION, UH, OF THE CODE THAT WAS DONE VERY LONG TIME AGO, UH, THE, UH, USES IN ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, GIVEN THAT IT'S ALL NEW STAFF, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE COMING OUTTA THE PANDEMIC.
THERE IS A NEED FOR US TO TAKE ANOTHER REVIEW OF THAT.
UM, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SOME THINGS BASED ON, UH, UH, CONDITIONS WE'VE EXPERIENCED, UH, CURRENTLY AND IN THE RECENT PAST, BUT ALSO PROJECTIONS MOVING FORWARD AS WE CONSIDER THINGS LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S MORE POTENTIAL FOR US TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS ON THAT SECTION THAN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
WE FEEL WE GOT SUFFICIENT FEEDBACK TO MAKE NEEDED CHANGES ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND IF YOU RECALL, WE, WE USED THAT ONLINE COMMENTING TOOL CALLED CONVEO, UH, WHERE PEOPLE COULD INSERT COMMENTS DIRECTLY INTO THE DOCUMENTS.
AND WE GOT GOOD FEEDBACK, NOT ONLY FROM SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS, BUT ALSO FROM SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM THE P AND Z.
UH, AND I THINK SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL ON THAT.
SO WE, WE, WE DEFINITELY GOT FEEDBACK ON THAT.
I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE MORE, BUT WE HAVE PLENTY OF FEEDBACK TO TURN AROUND THAT REVISED DRAFT.
UM, ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN.
SO TODAY'S MEETING IS REALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE THIRD INSTALLMENT.
WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES AND SIGNS.
UM, WE ARE GONNA ALSO GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF THE FINAL INSTALLMENT, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES, WHICH I TALKED ABOUT, UH, EARLIER.
BUT PRIMARILY WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, THIS WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES AND SIGNS, UM, AND, UH, GABBY'S PICTURE'S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF OUR TEXT
BUT, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING TOPIC.
WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES.
IT'S REALLY JUST A PARTICULAR TYPE OF LAND USE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUMPING IN WITH THIS TOPIC BECAUSE WE HELD IT OFF BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE COMPREHENSIVE STANDARDS FOR WIRELESS FACILITIES RIGHT NOW.
IT WAS A BIG DRAFTING EXERCISE.
AND SO WE PULLED THAT PIECE OFF AS A SEPARATE STANDALONE DRAFTING PIECE TO GO WITH SIGNS JUST AS A, AS A, A SPECIAL TOPIC THAT, THAT NEEDED SOME OF ITS OWN TIME.
IT'S STRUCTURALLY IT'S GONNA LIVE IN THE CODE AS ONE OF THOSE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
SO YOU HAVE STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS OR STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO, UH, YOU KNOW,
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RESTAURANTS OR STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO, UH, CERTAIN TIMES, TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL.THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
YOU SEE WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES ALL ACROSS ADDISON.
YOU SEE THEM IN DIFFERENT FORMS. YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES YOU MIGHT SEE THEM INTEGRATED INTO THE ROOF OF BUILDINGS.
YOU MIGHT SEE THEM CAMOUFLAGED WITH THE, WITH THE ROOF, UH, SCREENING MATERIALS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, OFTENTIMES YOU'LL SEE THEM MOUNTED ON THE WALLS LIKE YOU SEE IN THESE PICTURES.
UM, SOMETIMES THERE'S ATTEMPTS TO CAMOUFLAGE THE, THE MA THE FACILITIES LIKE YOU SEE IN THAT RIGHT HAND SLIDE WITH THE BRICK TREATMENT THERE.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THAT CAMOUFLAGING TREATMENT IS MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN OTHERS.
UM, SOMETIMES YOU SEE GROUND MOUNTED FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, NOT CONNECTED TO A BUILDING, BUT JUST A FREE STANDING TOWER.
AND THAT TOWER MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY UN CAMOUFLAGED LIKE YOU SEE ON THE LEFT.
OR THERE MIGHT BE SOME ATTEMPTS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE PART OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CLOCK TOWER, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A TREE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THIS WHOLE SET OF STANDARDS IS GETTING AT THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.
A RELATED TYPE OF FACILITY IS THESE SMALL CELL FACILITY TOWERS, UH, THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE IN MOST OF THESE DAYS.
THESE ARE HELPING TO HELP, UH, ROLL OUT THE NEW FIVE G TECHNOLOGY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, UH, COORDINATED WITH LIGHT FIXTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE ARE REALLY NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THESE SO MUCH TODAY.
THESE ARE GONNA BE COVERED IN A SEPARATE PART OF THE ADDISON CODE THAT IS JUST, THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED.
THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE ADDISON DOES HAVE REGULATIONS.
AND SO WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD THE REGULATIONS FOR THESE IN A SEPARATE PART OF THE ADDISON MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE.
WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE TALKING SEPARATELY ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY AND ABOUT THE, THE, THE TOWERS AND, AND THE, THE FACILITIES THAT GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF OUR, UH, WORK TODAY.
AND JUST TO REITERATE, ADDISON DOESN'T REALLY HAVE STANDARDS TODAY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY WCFS.
THEY, UM, THEY, THEY LOOK AT THESE ISSUES GENERALLY AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOME STANDARDS THAT GET A SCREENING OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF USED AS A TRIGGER TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS.
BUT THERE'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE STANDARD SET OF STANDARDS IN ADDISON.
MOST COMMUNITIES DO HAVE STANDARDS.
AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, DRAFTED A WHOLE, UH, NEW SECTION WHICH PROVIDES A, A, A CLEAN USER-FRIENDLY FOUNDATION FOR THESE RULES.
UH, THERE'S A, A CLEAR PURPOSE STATEMENT, UH, A DESCRIPTION OF THE APPLICABILITY OF THE STANDARDS.
THERE'S GENERAL PROVISIONS THAT APPLY TO ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE.
UH, THERE'S THIS SPECIAL SECTION ON WHAT'S CALLED ELIGIBILITY FACILITIES REQUESTS.
I'VE GOT A SLIDE JUST ON THAT TOPIC.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT ARE, UH, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS FOR SPECIAL TYPES OF FACILITIES.
SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
UM, IT IS A MOSTLY NEW SECTION.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S FOCUSED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE GOT GENERALLY FEW OR NO STANDARDS IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCES.
UH, AND TO REITERATE, THOSE SMALL CELL FACILITY REGULATIONS ARE BEING CARRIED FORWARD IN A SEPARATE PART OF THE CODE.
THIS DRAFT IS INTENDED TO CLARIFY THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THOSE, FOR THESE FACILITIES.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT VERSUS A MIXED USE DISTRICT VERSUS NON-RESIDENTIAL.
IS IT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? IS IT JUST PART OF BUILDING PERMIT? ALL THAT STUFF IS UNCLEAR IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
AND SO THIS IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY THERE.
IT'S ALSO INTENDED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE LAW.
THIS IS ONE PART OF LOCAL ZONING THAT IS HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE FEDERAL, UH, REG TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT, AND OTHER, UH, FEDERAL STATUTES AS WELL AS SOME STATE STATUTES, UH, STRONGLY GET INTO WHAT YOU CAN DO AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO APPROVE THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.
AND SO, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF BEING VERY METICULOUS ON THIS PART OF THE DRAFTING IS TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL STATE LAW.
THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE FEDERAL LAW REALLY KICKS IN, IN, IN PARTICULAR, THEY DEFINE WHAT'S CALLED AN ELIGIBLE FACILITY REQUEST.
AND SO BASICALLY FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF APPLICATIONS, IF YOU'RE COMING IN AND SOMEBODY'S ALREADY GOT A TOWER IN PLACE AND, AND YOU'RE JUST PROPOSING TO PUT A NEW ANTENNA ON AN EXISTING TOWER, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINED AS AN ELIGIBLE FACILITY REQUEST.
AND THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT A, YOU'VE GOT A, A MANDATED TIMELINE, UH, WITHIN WHICH THE CITY HAS TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
SO IT'S A REQUIRED ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WITHIN A MINIMUM TIME PERIOD PER FEDERAL LAW.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE YOU'RE REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MARCHING TO THE, THE BEAT THAT'S BEEN SET FOR YOU BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THAT ELIGIBLE FACILITY REQUEST IS DEFINED THERE.
ANY REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION OF AN EXISTING WCF THAT INVOLVES THE CO-LOCATION OF NEW TRANSMISSION EQUIPMENT, REMOVAL OF TRANSMISSION EQUIPMENT, OR REPLACEMENT OF TRANSMISSION EQUIPMENT.
SO YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY ON THE GROUND OR ALREADY ON THE ROOF, AND YOU'RE GONNA MAKE, BE MAKING RELATIVELY MINOR TWEAKS TO IT.
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UM, YOU'VE GOT A 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD NOW THAT COULD BE EXTENDED FOR CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT GENERALLY IT'S A MANDATED 60 DAY PERIOD WITHIN WHICH THE CITY HAS TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT APPLICATION REQUEST.IT SHALL BE APPROVED IF THE APPLICATION MEETS CERTAIN CRITERIA.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT CHANGING FUNDAMENTALLY THE NATURE OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, THEN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO APPROVE THAT REQUEST.
UM, THE WHOLE INTENT HERE WAS TO EXPEDITE THE ROLLOUT OF THESE THINGS AND, AND WHERE YOU ALREADY HAD FACILITIES ON THE GROUND TO, TO, TO, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD BE EASILY USED QUICKLY AND TO NOT TIE UP, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ROLLOUT OF NEW MATERIAL, NEW FACILITIES WITH A LOT OF RED TAPE.
THERE ARE DEFINITIONS, UH, IN FEDERAL LAW ABOUT WHAT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
WE'VE GOT SOME JUST, UH, SHORTHAND REFERENCES TO THAT HERE.
IF THERE'S NO INCREASE IN HEIGHT, UH, IF THERE'S NO ADDITION OF NEW EQUIPMENT CABINETS, NO ADDITIONAL EXCAVATION OF, OF DIRT, NO LOSS OF THE CAMOUFLAGE THAT WAS REQUIRED.
ALL THOSE THINGS, IF YOU DON'T DO THOSE THINGS, THAT IT'S NOT A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AND YOU'RE GONNA BE APPROVED.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT THIS NEW DRAFT DOES IS, IS, IS, IS CLARIFY AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, SET FORTH THAT ELIGIBLE FACILITY REQUEST PIECE.
UM, I ALSO TALKED ABOUT CLARIFYING THE REVIEW PROCESS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE DRAFT DOES IS SAY, YOU KNOW, BY DIFFERENT ZONE DISTRICT, WHAT IS THE REVIEW PROCESS REQUIRED FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES? SO IF YOU'RE DOING A, SOMETHING ON MOUNTED ON A BUILDING OR MOUNTED ON A ROOF, AND YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, YOU'VE GOTTA GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT APPROVAL.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT OR NON-RESIDENTIAL, THAT CAN STILL BE JUST BE DONE AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE.
UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR GROUND MOUNTED IN RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE NON, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IS BUILDING PERMIT.
YOU'RE REQUIRING A HIGHER LEVEL OF REVIEW IN AREAS WHERE YOU'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT AESTHETICS, MORE CONCERNED ABOUT JUST KIND OF THE, THE, THE LOOK OF THESE THINGS AND, AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT IT'S GIVING YOU SOME CLARITY ABOUT WHERE THESE THINGS ARE INTENDED TO BE.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE THE EFFECT OF ENCOURAGING MORE ROLLOUT IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE AN EASIER PROCESS OVER TIME.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO CLEARER STANDARDS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES.
AND, AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE HEIGHT IS SUMMARIZED IN THIS SLIDE.
UM, THERE'S CLEAR STANDARDS FOR, UH, IF BUILDING MOUNTED, IF YOU'RE ON THE, ON THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO UP TO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE UNDERLYING ZONE DISTRICT.
IF YOU'RE PUTTING A FACILITY ON THE ROOF, YOU CAN GO 10 FEET ABOVE THE ROOF LINE, ET CETERA.
SO I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THESE STANDARDS HERE FOR YOU, BUT IT'S INTENDED TO PROVIDE, AGAIN, JUST SOME CLARITY AND SOME SPEC SPECIFICITY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES CAN BE.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S FOCUSED ON, UH, UH, MORE, MORE FOCUSED ON COMPATIBILITY IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND MORE FOCUS ON ALLOWANCES IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND THE MIXED USE ARE A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAY AREA IN BETWEEN.
THERE ARE GENERAL STANDARDS THAT APPLY FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES.
SO GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD USE CAMOUFLAGE AND SCREENING TECHNIQUES TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF THESE THINGS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THEY SHALL BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR, YOU KNOW, AS THE, AS THE, AS THE WALL IF THEY'RE GONNA BE A WALL MOUNTAIN FACILITY, OR SHALL THEY SHALL BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ROOF, THE ROOFTOP SCREENING, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE ROOF OF A BUILDING, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, THERE'S RULES THAT APPLY TO THE TRANSMISSION AND ACCESSORY EQUIPMENT.
THE, THE, THE STUFF AROUND THE BASE OF A TOWER SAY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT IS, IS AS MODEST AS POSSIBLE.
THERE ARE RULES ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T LIGHT THESE FACILITIES UNLESS THAT LIGHTING IS SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW.
YOU CAN'T SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT, UH, THESE FACILITIES WITH LIGHTING.
THEY CAN'T GENERATE NOISE, ET CETERA.
UM, ALL THOSE GENERAL STANDARDS ARE CARVE OUTS.
THEY'RE THINGS THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO UNDER THE FEDERAL RULES.
AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, UH, INTENDED TO, UM, SUPPLEMENT THOSE FEDERAL RULES THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THOSE GENERAL STANDARDS THAT APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD TO ALL THE FACILITY TYPES, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FOR SOME OF THE SPECIFIC FACILITY TYPES, LIKE GROUND MOUNTED FACILITIES HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
IT'S PRETTY DRY STUFF, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE ECONOMY FOR ADDISON.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF JUST THE COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THESE THINGS.
AND SO IT WAS IMPORTANT AS PART OF THE ZONING CODE UPDATE TO CLARIFY THE RULES OF WIRELESS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, THAT THAT INDUSTRY KNEW WHERE THEY WERE ENCOURAGED AND THE RULES THAT TO WHICH THEY WOULD BE HELD.
I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR LAST SLIDE ON THAT TOPIC.
UM, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF DENSE DRY MATERIAL, BUT HOPEFULLY IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO, TO SKIMM IT, LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON PARTICULAR SECTIONS.
ANY THINGS WHERE, PLACES WHERE YOU THOUGHT ILLUSTRATIONS MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
UM, ANY, ANY JUST COMMENTS GENERALLY ON THE,
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THE STANDARDS.AND WE CAN GO AROUND THE TABLE NOW.
UH, JIM AND THEN JIMMY ON MY AGE HERE, BUT BACK IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN THE BIG SATELLITE DEALS WERE YEAH, COMING OUT, WE IN THE TOWN INSTITUTED SOME RESTRICTIONS REGARDING SCREENING OF THOSE AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN THE FEDS GOT INVOLVED AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD NO LONGER REQUIRE SCREENING.
BUT YOU'RE REFERENCING SCREENING UP HERE THAT PROBABLY CAN WE REQUIRE SCREENING OF THAT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN.
THOSE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE OLD SATELLITE DISHES, UH, FROM YEARS.
AND THE, THE REGULATIONS HAVE CONTINUED TO EVOLVE OVER TIME.
AND I REMEMBER BACK IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES, THERE WERE RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIZE.
AND I THINK OVER TWO METERS YOU COULD REGULATE, UH, AESTHETICS AND BELOW TWO METERS YOU COULD NOT.
BUT THE WHERE YOU CAN REGULATE SCREENING HAS EVOLVED AS THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED AND YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE THAT THOSE TYPES OF SCREENING.
WELL, AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY TWO QUESTIONS, BUT AS I RECALL, WE HAD EITHER A POLICY OR, UH, THAT INDICATED THAT SATELLITE ISSUES COULDN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS STILL EXIST? UH, 'CAUSE I GUESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE 10 FOOT ABOVE THE ROOF LINE HEIGHT IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UH, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? ARE YOU TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THOSE BIG SATELLITE DISHES? WELL, I'M EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SMALLER ONES TOO.
THE, THE DIRECTV OR THE DISH, SMALLER ANTENNAS, YOU CANNOT PROHIBIT THOSE ALTOGETHER.
NO, I KNOW, BUT CAN YOU PREVENT THEM FROM BEING VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY? UH, YOU CANNOT, BUT YOU CAN DO THESE, THESE TYPES OF SCREENING TECHNIQUES THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE OTHER THING I HAD IS, THERE'S A PROVISION IN HERE ABOUT, UH, ABANDONMENT OF FACILITIES AND MAKING CLEAR WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE IF THEY'VE BEEN ABANDONED.
BUT IT EXCLUDES ANY FACILITIES THAT EXIST PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS, UH, FOR GRANDFATHER PURPOSES.
I ASSUME, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SAY THAT YOU LOSE THE GRANDFATHER IF YOU MODIFY OR ADD AN ANTENNA TO AN EXISTING FACILITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THE MORE THAT WE GET UNDER CONTROL, UNDER THE, UH, ABANDONMENT OR OR NON-USE PROVISIONS, THE BETTER.
UH, AND IT SEEMS TO ME IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A CHANGE TO AN EXISTING ANTENNA, THEY SHOULD LOSE THE GRANDFATHER.
UM, AND, AND WE HAVEN'T DRAFTED THE GENERAL NON-CONFORMING PROVISIONS FOR THE ENTIRE CODE YET.
THAT'S GONNA BE THAT FINAL SECTION.
UM, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE PLACE WHERE THAT COULD COME UP.
UM, I GUESS WE CAN TALK MORE INTERNALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE TRY TO REACH BACK AND, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE THING I FORGOT.
UM, HAM RADIO OPERATORS, THEY'RE LICENSED BY THE FCC AND IT WAS UNCLEAR TO ME WHEN I READ THE SECTION ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE, APPLICABILITY WHETHER THE, UH, PROVISION FOR THE HEIGHT CAN'T BE NO MORE, THAT IT'S SECTION TWO, NUMBER B TWO, OR YEAH, THAT THE HEIGHT CAN'T BE MORE THAN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BASE AND THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, IS THAT APPLICABLE TO HAM RADIO ANTENNAS? BECAUSE WHERE THAT PARAGRAPH IS, IS AMBIGUOUS ABOUT WHETHER IT APPLIES TO JUST RECEIVE ONLY ANTENNAS OR ALSO THE HAM RADIO ANTENNAS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RADIO FREQUENCY STANDARDS PARAGRAPH? UH, IT'S ACTUALLY ON PAGE THREE, ON PAGE FOUR, SECTION TWO B TWO AMATEUR RADIO ANTENNAS THAT ARE OWNED AND OPERATED BY A FEDERALLY LICENSED AMATEUR RADIO STATION OPERATOR, OR USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR REED ONLY.
ANTENNAS PROVIDED THAT THE HEIGHT BE NO MORE THAN THE DISTANCE FROM THE BASE OF THE ANTENNA OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE BASE OF THE ANTENNA OF THE PROPERTY LINE ALSO APPLIES TO HAM RADIO OPERATORS.
OKAY, WELL THESE, THIS IS AN EXEMP EXEMPTION FROM THE OVERALLS SECTION.
SO THAT'S SAYING I, I UNDERSTAND AND I DON'T WANT TO EX I I DO NOT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW A HAM RADIO OPERATOR TO PUT A 200 FOOT ANTENNA UP IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
AND IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS WOULD PROHIBIT THAT.
I'D WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE T THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT ON THAT PIECE.
I THINK THAT'S A SPECIFIC CARVED OUT EXEMPTION.
GABBY, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
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I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, JIMMY.
UH, I, I'D WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK BECAUSE THAT EXEMPTION FOR THOSE, THOSE HAM RADIOS IS CARVED OUT IN FEDERAL LAW.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE OF THAT.
SEE, LET'S GO TO TAYLOR AND THEN BACK TO ED.
FIRST FOR JIMMY, THAT WAS A GREAT POINT ON THE, THE ABANDONMENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA START SEEING DIFFERENT ANTENNAS AND IF WE CAN EVEN MAKE SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE THINGS ARE GONNA RELY, YOU'RE GONNA RESIDE IN AN EASEMENT OR SOMETHING, BUT IT, IT, WHATEVER THE STANDARD, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN MAKE ONE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF REASONABLE EFFORTS TO REMOVE, OTHERWISE, NONE OF THE BUILDING OWNERS ARE GONNA REMOVE, YOU KNOW, THESE OLD ANTENNAS AND, UH, AND THEY'RE UNSIGHTLY AND, AND, UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, WOULD BE ONE COMMENT.
AND THEN SECONDLY, UM, ON THIS CHART YOU HAD WITH THE, THE BUILDING USES, LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND, UH, MULTI-DISTRICT, I MEAN, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WE NEED TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREAS, YOU KNOW, AND THE SUP IS A HIGHER STANDARD.
I JUST WONDER FOR THE MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS A DIRECTION OF STAFF? UM, AND DOES THE COMMITTEE EVERYBODY AGREE THAT, UM, THE GROUND MOUNTED FACILITIES, UM, WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT? IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE MIXED USE, THOSE AREAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE FACILITIES AS PART OF YOUR BUILDING PERMIT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO BOOST CELL SIGNALS, LIKE WE OFTEN HAVE HARD TIMES WITH OUR CELL CELLULAR SERVICE IN OUR BUILDINGS THAT YOU DO, YOU WANNA MAKE THAT EASIER, BUT YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE RESI AREAS WITH THE SUP.
SO YOU WOULD, IN ESSENCE, MOVE THAT BUILDING PERMIT LINE TO THE LEFT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED ON THAT.
'CAUSE IN ADDISON, OUR MIXED USE AREAS ARE, ARE THE, THE MOST PROMINENT LAND USE TENDS TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE WANTED TO, UM, FOCUS, UH, UH, OUR REVIEW EFFORTS AND, AND HAVE A, UH, MORE DISCRETION TO REQUIRE ENHANCED SCREENING, UM, IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
'CAUSE YOU, WITH OUR MIXED USE AREAS AND WHERE THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE A PRETTY COMPACT FORM OF DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE TO PLACE THOSE FACILITIES.
SO IF THEY'RE DONE, UH, IN A POOR MANNER, IT CAN, IT CAN HAVE, UH, QUITE AN IMPACT AESTHETICALLY ON THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA.
AND THEN, UH, FOLKS THAT ALSO ENJOY THAT AREA FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO, UM, I'M, I DON'T HAVE A, UH, A IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL TREMENDOUSLY STRONG ABOUT, BUT BASED ON, UH, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF OUR MIXED USE AREAS, I THINK IT DOES WARRANT, UH, A MORE STRINGENT REVIEW PROCESS.
BUT OPERATIONALLY, UM, UH, FEEDBACK LIKE THAT CERTAINLY IS, IS HELPFUL.
MY SENSE IS LONG TERM, IT JUST FEELS LIKE RIGHT NOW THE DEVICES ARE GETTING SMALLER, BUT MANY MORE OF 'EM, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST EVERYWHERE.
WE HAVE 'EM JUST SCATTERED BOOSTERS, ENHANCERS, ACCELERATOR.
I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY CRAP WE HAVE THERE JUST EVERYWHERE.
AND, AND, AND, BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SMALLER, IT'S JUST NOT HAVING THAT NEGATIVE, UM, UM, IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL AS, AS LIKE IT'S, UM, AS MUCH OF AN EYESORE.
I HEAR YOU ON THE SPECIAL USE WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE, PARTICULARLY IN DENSE AREAS, THE BEST LOCATION FOR IF IT'S, IF IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE TECHNOLOGY IS TO GET IT ON THE BUILDING.
UM, PARTICULARLY MIXED USE AREAS, YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF PARKING STRUCTURES, PERFECT LOCATION FOR THOSE FACILITIES.
IF IT, IF IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE TECH TECHNOLOGY, THAT'S, UH, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.
BUT WHEN WE CAN GET IT OUT OF WHAT IS A VERY LIMITED PUBLIC REALM, UH, SIDEWALK AND, AND, UH, STREET TREES, UH, WE, WE WANNA PRESERVE AND, AND, UH, FOCUS ON QUALITY IN THOSE SPACES.
SO HAVING A BUNCH OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE IN ADDITION TO THINGS LIKE TRANSFORMERS AND OTHER UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, IT CAN VERY QUICKLY MAKE THOSE AREAS LESS APPEALING THAN THEY SHOULD BE.
UH, ONE THING I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE ON THAT POINT IS THAT WE HAVEN'T DRAFTED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS YET.
THAT'S PART OF THAT FINAL PART OF THE CODE.
I'VE WORKED IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY'VE GOT DIFFERENT FLAVORS OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS, AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A MORE ABBREVIATED PROCESS OR MORE ABBREVIATED SUBMITTALS FOR THINGS LIKE CELL TOWERS, YOU KNOW, VERSUS A LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S REALLY MORE COMPLEX.
SO I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING NECESSARILY, BUT THAT COULD BE AN OPTION, IS THAT WE HAVE, UM, SOME MEDIUM FORM OF REVIEW THAT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
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I, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A ASTERISK, YOU KNOW, TO BE DETERMINED WHEN WE DRAFT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION, MICHAEL, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.UH, JUST A BALLPARK FIGURE, HOW MANY REQUESTS SAY OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS HAS THE TOWN RECEIVED FOR STANDALONE GROUND MOUNTED FACILITIES? NOT MANY.
AND, AND WHEN WE DO, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY AWKWARD DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE HUGE GAP IN OUR REGULATIONS, UM, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, THEY'RE, UH, THEY HAVE TENDED TO BE OF A NATURE AND LOCATION THAT WOULD NOT BE, UH, SITUATED IN AN APPEALING MANNER FOR THE TOWN.
AND IN, IN PARTS OF THE TOWN WHERE YOU DON'T WANT THESE LARGE TELECOMMUNICATION STRUCTURES SITTING RIGHT IN THE, THE PUBLIC REALM OR AROUND HOUSING.
SO, UM, HAVING REGULATIONS LIKE THIS AND AN ENHANCED PROCESS FOR THOSE MORE INTENSE SCENARIOS IS BENEFICIAL.
AND THEN AS KIND OF AS A FOLLOW-UP, ARE THERE ANY FEDERAL REGULATIONS SURROUNDING REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THE STANDALONE UNITS? IF, IF SOMEBODY WAS TO REALLY, UH, KIND OF BE BOUND TO DETERMINE, TO WANT TO PUT ONE IN ADDISON? SO AS MATT MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THERE'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH FEDERAL REGULATION WITH WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES.
BUT AS YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU, YOU MOVE AROUND THE REGION, THERE IS, AND IT IS VERY COMMON FOR THOSE, UH, FREESTANDING STRUCTURES TO BE, HAVE SOME FORM OF SCREENING DEVICE.
SOME OF THEM KIND OF, UH, LOOK, UH, INTERESTING AND, AND KIND OF STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
YOU'LL HAVE SOME THAT KIND WILL LOOK LIKE A, UH, LIKE, UH, A, UH, CHRISTMAS TREE, LIKE A BIG PINE TREE.
YOU'LL HAVE SOME THAT, UH, UH, HAVE OTHER SORT OF SCREENING DEVICES THAT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A FLAGPOLE.
UM, SO THEY, THEY, EVEN THAT TYPE OF SCREENING IS NOT THE MOST AESTHETICALLY, UH, PLEASING, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN JUST HAVING THE FREE STANDING STRUCTURE, UH, PARTICULARLY IN A, IN A HIGH VISIBILITY LOCATION.
I'M SORRY, BUT I'M NOT BEING ABLE TO HEAR MOST OF YOUR COMMENTS OR, OR MATS EITHER.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU NEED TO BE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE OR IT TURNED UP OR WHATEVER.
REPEAT WHAT I JUST SAID? NO, I'VE GOT A PART OF IT, BUT, UH, IN THE FUTURE, LET'S TRY, IS THIS, DOES THIS VOLUME WORK FOR YOU? OKAY.
YEAH, WE'LL BE SURE TO
IT'S GONNA, ED, QUICK QUESTION.
GOING BACK TO THE ELIGIBLE, UH, FACILITY REVIEW, UM, IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ERASE THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE TOWN, OR IS IT JUST A, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THEY CAN ONLY FAIL IF THEY, UH, DON'T MEET THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT YOU HAD ON THE SCREEN THOUGH.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE REALLY BOUND BY THOSE FEDERAL DEFINITIONS OF SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
SO THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY THEN TO UPGRADE THEIR FACILITIES VERSUS YOU'RE SAYING IS IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH AN ELIGIBLE FACILITIES REQUEST, CAN YOU REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT SITE AS PART OF THAT? RIGHT.
UM, I'M ALMOST SURE THE ANSWER'S NO.
UM, UH, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
GABBY, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL RESPONSE ON THAT? YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE PRETTY BOUND BY WHAT YOU'RE REVIEWING AND, UM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT IF IT MEETS THE STANDARDS AND YOU CAN'T CREATE STANDARDS THAT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, THAT REALLY GOES AGAINST THE INTENT OF THAT RE OF THAT STATUTE WHEN, WHEN THEY PUT THAT IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, AT THE INDUSTRY'S REQUEST, THAT WAS TO EXPEDITE THE APPROVAL OF THOSE AND TO NOT, UH, BURDEN THOSE REQUESTS WITH REQUESTS FOR UPGRADES OR CHANGES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I, IT'S REALLY KIND OF AGAINST THE INTENT.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING FACILITY THAT'S NOT FOR, FOR SOME REASON IS A NUISANCE, HOWEVER, THE TOWN, UH, UH, DEFINES THAT, WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF REMOVING THAT NUISANCE? WELL, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S A NUISANCE AS DEFINED BY THE TOWN OF ADDISON? SO IT'S, UH, I, YOU'D, YOU'D FALL BACK ON THE ENFORCEMENT PRO PROCEDURES FOR THE NUISANCE CHAPTER OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE, WHICH I ASSUME WOULD BE NOTIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER ALLOWED THEM TO A CHANCE TO CORRECT THE NUISANCE, UH, OVER X PERIOD.
YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S NOT DONE, THE TOWN ULTIMATELY CAN ABATE THE NUISANCE AND CHARGE THE PROPERTY OWNER THE COST OF THAT.
YEAH, WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A, A DETERIORATING TOWER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL
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TO FALL ON AN ADJACENT PROPERTY.I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S MAYBE A SCENARIO THAT WOULD MEET THAT, THOSE CRITERIA.
I CAN'T THINK THERE'D BE A LOT OF THOSE, BUT THE PROCESS MATT DESCRIBED IS A, IS A VERY TYPICAL CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
AND THAT WOULD APPLY HERE IN ADDISON AS WELL.
AND THEN TREY, GO AHEAD TREY, JUST REAL, EXCUSE ME, JUST REAL QUICK.
UM, CO CAN YOU GIVE CLARIFICATION ON THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, UH, TABLE, IT SAYS 10 FOOT ABOVE THE EXISTING ROOF LINE.
MM-HMM,
UM, TYPICAL ARCHITECT WOULD THINK THAT
I, I WOULD GO BACK TO THE MEASUREMENT OF ROOF HEIGHT DEFINITION AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT POINT IS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S OFTENTIMES GONNA BE THAT MIDPOINT IF YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, UH, FEATURES LIKE YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
BUT I'D WANT TO GO BACK AND CONFIRM THAT, THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD CLARIFY HERE THOUGH.
AND THEN AGAIN, IF IT'S FULLY SCREENED OR FULLY ENCAPSULATED, CAN IT GO ABOVE THE 10 FEET? FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE DONE PROJECTS TO WHERE WE'VE DONE ICON OR TOWER FEATURES AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY INSIDE OF IT.
BUT IF THERE'S A, A FEATURE ON A BUILDING, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, I WOULD SAY TO BE DETERMINED BECAUSE IT, THAT'S GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT INTO THE TOOLS FOR FLEXIBILITY THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT INSTALLMENT OF THE CODE, WHERE IT'S NOT JUST A VARIANCE OR AN APPEAL, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME TYPE OF ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE REQUEST OR SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATION REQUEST.
THAT COULD BE WHERE YOU WANT TO PROPOSE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE YOU GO, YOU CAN GO ABOVE THE HEIGHT LIMIT IF YOU HAVE EXTRA SCREENING, BUT AS DR, THIS PIECE ON ITS OWN DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
UH, JIMMY, UH, SINCE THERE DOES, SINCE THIS DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE REGULATED BY ADDISON NOW AND IT CREATES HEADACHES FOR KIN, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO SEE IF WE COULD ACCELERATE THE ADOPTION OF THIS PORTION OF IT, LIKE WE HAVE THE SMALL NODE ANTENNAS SO THAT IT BECOMES MORE EFFECTIVE THAN A YEAR FROM NOW? IT'S, IT'S A HEADACHE, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT A MIGRAINE FOR ME, IT'S A, UH, A, A A VERY MINOR HEADACHE.
I THINK FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY IS, UM, WOULD DISRUPT THE PROCESS, BE MORE DISRUPTIVE TO THE PROCESS OF THIS CODE THAN IT WOULD BE ADDRESSING AN URGENT REGULATORY NEED.
SO, UM, IF MY WORKLOAD AND MY STAFF'S WORKLOAD OF DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DOING THIS PROJECT, DOING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, TRYING TO OVERHAUL OUR, OUR PERMIT MANAGEMENT PROCESS, UM, THIS WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THOSE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO I, I, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS THAT URGENT WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALWAYS WANNA CON CONSIDER FRONT LOADING CERTAIN PIECES, BUT YOU'VE GOT A WEIGH THAT IMPACT ON WORKLOAD AND SOMETIMES THEY TAKE ON A LIFE OF THEIR OWN.
WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THAT MANY TIMES, TIMES.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO THE FUN STUFF? SIGNS? CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? LIZ? IS THIS BETTER? IS THIS BETTER MIC, IS THERE AN ECHO? IS THAT THE ISSUE? I'LL BLAME THE ROOM.
AND I ASSUME WE HAVE TO USE THESE BECAUSE OF THE RECORDING.
THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING JUST BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE HEARING THE SPEAK HERE, LIKE YOU'RE SPEAKING, BUT THE SPEAKERS WHERE IT'S COMING, THE AMPLIFIED IS COMING FROM BACK THERE.
THAT'S WHERE THE ECHO'S COMING IN, SO IT'S HARD TO FIND THAT BALANCE SINCE WE DON'T NORMALLY HAVE THE ROOM SET UP ON THIS.
WELL, WE MIGHT FIX THE PROBLEM FOR THE NEXT FEW SLIDES 'CAUSE GABBY WAS ACTUALLY GONNA WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE INITIAL SLIDES ON THE SIGNS PIECE.
SO AS WITH THE, UM, WELL, LEMME GO AHEAD AND LET GABBY TALK IF, IF HER, IF HER MICROPHONE
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IS CLEARER.GABBY, DO YOU WANNA DO THESE PHOTOS TO KICK IT OFF? JUST TELL ME WHEN TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES.
UM, GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, RIGHT NOW THE, SO THE SIGN CODE LIVES IN ITS OWN CHAPTER AND IT ADDRESSES, UM, A VARIETY OF TYPES OF SIGNS.
UM, THEY'RE DEFINED AS EITHER ATTACHED OR DETACHED.
AND SO ATTACHED SIGNS INCLUDE THINGS LIKE WALL SIGNS, UM, LIKE SHOWN HERE AND IF YOU KEEP GOING, KEYS.
UM, AND THEN DETACHED SIGNS WOULD BE THINGS LIKE MONUMENT SIGNS, SO THE TYPE OF SIGNS, UM, THAT ARE USUALLY AT THE ACCESS POINTS OF SHOPPING CENTERS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS ADDRESS SIZE, THE NUMBER LIMITATIONS OF HOW MANY OF THESE SIGNS YOU CAN HAVE ON THE PROPERTY AND PER TENANT.
UM, AS WELL AS, UM, SOME BASIC DESIGN MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ANOTHER, UM, CLARIFICATION WE WANTED TO MAKE, UM, JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE, UM, REGULATIONS THAT WE ADDED, UM, IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, LAND SIDE AND AIR SIDE AIRPORT SIGNAGE.
SO LAND SIDE SIGNAGE WOULD BE THE SIGNS THAT, UM, ARE EITHER VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR A PUBLIC SPACE OR PUBLIC FACING, UM, FOR THE USERS OF THOSE BUILDINGS VERSUS THE AIR SIDE SIGNS, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE REALLY MEANT FOR, UM, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL.
UM, AND WE'LL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BUT WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ALCOHOL RELATED SIGNS AND HOW THE TOWN, UM, HAS HISTORICALLY, UM, REGULATED THOSE AND SOME POTENTIAL CONFLICTS, UH, WITH, UH, SOME SIGN CODE, UM, FEDERAL LAW
UM, SO SOME OTHER TYPES OF SIGNS IN ADDITION TO THE MORE PERMANENT SIGNS ON SITES, UH, THERE ARE, UM, TEMPORARY SIGNS.
UM, SO EVERYTHING FROM THESE FEATHER SIGNS, UM, TO SOME CREATIVE MANNEQUIN SIGNS.
UM, SO OVERALL WE'VE REORGANIZED THINGS.
AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS MAKE THIS MOVE IN KIND OF A LOGICAL FORMAT.
SO IT STARTS WITH THE TYPICAL PURPOSE AND AUTHORITY OF THE SIGN CODE, UM, AND THEN THE GENERAL PROCEDURES, UM, FOR WHAT TYPE OF PERMITS ARE REQUIRED FOR SIGNS.
UM, SO THAT INCLUDES THE SIGN PERMIT, ANY ASSOCIATED ELECTRICAL PERMITS, UM, AS WELL AS THE INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION IS ALSO IN THERE.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS CONTENT ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF CERTAIN SIGNS.
AND THEN A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PORTION IS THE SIGNS ALLOWED WITHOUT A SIGN PERMIT.
UM, AND THEN, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND THERE'S ALSO A NEW PROCESS FOR ALTERNATIVE SIGN DESIGNS, WHICH REPLACES, UM, THE CITY'S CURRENT, UM, EXCEPTIONS PROCESS.
AND THEN WE MOVE INTO THE PROHIBITED SIGNS.
UM, SO SIGNAGE THAT IS NOT ALLOWED AT ALL, WHETHER WITH A PERMIT OR NOT.
UM, THOSE TEMPORARY SIGNS, UH, GENERAL SIGN REGULATIONS, SO HOW TO MEASURE SIGN AREA, SIGN HEIGHTS, UH, THEN THE PERMANENT ON-SITE SIGNS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MEAT OF THE CODE.
UM, IT HAS BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED REGULATIONS IN IT.
UM, THE NEW PROCEDURE FOR MASTER SIGN PLANS, UH, AS WELL AS THE REGULATIONS FOR NON-CONFORMING SIGNS.
SO MOVING INTO THE KEY CHANGES.
SIMILAR TO THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE UDC, THE DRAFT FOCUSES ON ADDING CONSISTENCY, CLARITY, AND USER FRIENDLINESS WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
UM, THE OTHER MAJOR KEY ISSUE IS ENSURING THAT THE REGULATIONS ARE WHAT ARE IS CALLED CONTENT NEUTRAL.
AND FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT LIKE TO SPEND THEIR FREE TIME PERUSING SUPREME COURT CASES, UM, THERE WAS A LANDMARK CASE, UH, THE TOWN OF GILBERT V REED, IN WHICH THE COURT RULED THAT IT IS A RESTRICTION OF FREE SPEECH TO REGULATE SIGNS BASED ON CONTENT.
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IN SIMPLER TERMS, REGULATIONS THAT CAN ONLY BE ENFORCED BY READING THE SIGN.AND THEN WE HAVE TARGETED REVISIONS TO INCREASE FLEXIBILITY FOR SIGNAGE IN THE MORE INTENSE ZONING DISTRICTS, ALIGNING THE CONTENT WITH CURRENT TOWN PRACTICES, INTRODUCING THAT MASTER SIGN PLAN PROCESS, AND STANDARDIZING METHODS OF MEASUREMENT.
SO WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE MAIN SUBSECTIONS OF THE SIGN CODE, WE BEGIN WITH THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHOUT A SIGNED PERMIT.
SO THESE ARE THE SIGNS THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM RECEIVING A PERMIT.
UM, BUT THEY MAY STILL HAVE SOME BASIC SIZE AND PLACEMENT REGULATIONS.
UM, SOME EXAMPLES THAT ARE ACROSS THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
UM, THOSE AIR SIDE SIGNS IN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY, UM, CONSTRUCTION BANNERS, SO THE TYPES OF BANNERS THAT HANG ONLY WHILE, UM, THE BUILDING IS BEING BUILT FLAGS.
GOVERNMENT SIGNS AND GOVERNMENT SIGNS INCLUDE THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNS, DIRECTIONAL SIGNS FOR TRAFFIC, THAT SORT OF THING.
NEXT ONE, PLEASE MENU AND DRIVE-THROUGH BOARDS.
UM, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY SIGNS.
SO THINGS LIKE PUTTING UP A LITTLE SIGN FOR, UM, AN OPEN HOUSE.
UM, AND THEN SIGNS THAT ARE NOT READABLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S DEFINED AS SIGNS, UM, THAT ARE EITHER LOCATED ENTIRELY INSIDE A BUILDING AND NOT VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERIOR, OR IF THE SIGN HAS LETTERS, FIGURES, SYMBOLS, LESS THAN TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT.
SO THINGS LIKE, UM, GUEST PARKING, UM, SORT OF, UH, CURBSIDE PICKUP, THOSE TYPE SIGNS.
UM, SIGNS ON VEHICLES AND THEN WINDOW SIGNS.
AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, THESE ARE EXEMPT FROM PERMIT BUT NOT EXEMPT FROM REGULATIONS ENTIRELY.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE WINDOW SIGNS, THOSE ARE LIMITED TO FOUR SQUARE FEET IN AREA EACH, AND THEY CAN ONLY TAKE UP A COLLECTIVE 20% OF THE WINDOW AREA.
SO JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T REQUIRE A SIGNED PERMIT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, UM, ESTABLISHMENT COULD JUST, UH, HAVE WINDOW SIGNS EVERYWHERE.
YOU COULD STILL ENFORCE THESE REGULATIONS.
SO WE REPLACED THE MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION PROCESS, UM, THAT THE TOWN CURRENTLY HAS WITH, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING AN ALTERNATIVE SIGN DESIGN PROCESS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ASSIGNED VARIANCE.
AND WE'VE SHIFTED THE AUTHORITY FROM CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND THE APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR THIS ARE THAT IT'S NECESSARY DUE TO UNIQUE FEATURES ON THE SITE.
UM, THERE WILL BE NO SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS, AND THAT THERE'S NOT A CONFLICT WITH THE OVERALL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE SIGN REGULATIONS.
UM, SO THESE ARE THE SIGNS THAT ARE COMPLETELY PROHIBITED AND KEY CHANGES HERE INCLUDE CLARIFYING THAT THE NON-COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS OF DIGITAL SIGNS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE GENERAL PROHIBITION OF DIGITAL SIGNS.
SO IN THE EXAMPLE BELOW THE SCREEN WITH THE GAS PRICES THAT IS DIGITAL IS EXEMPT FROM THAT PROHIBITION PROHIBITION, BUT THAT SCREEN COULDN'T HAVE THE ADVERTISING FOR, UM, TOM THUMB.
UM, THE DRAFT ALSO ADDS, UH, REGULATIONS ABOUT MOBILE BILLBOARDS AND WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS.
AND SO WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS ARE THINGS LIKE BANNERS, PENANCE, RIBBONS, STREAMERS, UM, I ALWAYS THINK OF THE LITTLE CAR WASH MAN.
UM, ANYTHING THAT MOVES WHEN IT'S WINDY, BASICALLY.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY BIG SECTION THAT INCLUDES, UH, NEW AS WELL AS UPDATED STANDARDS, UH, FOR ELECTION EVENT SIGNS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SPECIAL EVENT SIGNAGE, SIGNS ON SIDEWALKS, BANNER SIGNS, UM, AND UNDEVELOPED REAL ESTATE SIGNS.
NEXT ONE, MOVING INTO THE SORT OF MAIN EVENTS AND PROBABLY THE SECTION THAT A LOT OF YOU ARE MOST FAMILIAR WITH, UM, IN GENERAL, WE'VE TRIED TO SIMPLIFY THIS SECTION, UM, WITH SUMMARY TABLES SO THAT MORE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN ONE PLACE.
SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT THE TABLE INCLUDES STANDARDS RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ALLOWED, THE TOTAL AREA OF SIGNS ALLOWED, UM, SPECIFIC DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, HEIGHT AND SETBACK LIMITATIONS AS APPLICABLE.
UM, ANOTHER KEY CHANGE IS THAT THE DRAFT MOVES AWAY, UM, FROM THE CURRENT APPROACH OF
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LIMITING THE MAXIMUM LETTER OR LOGO HEIGHT OF ATTACHED SIGNS BASED ON THAT MOUNTING HEIGHT OR DISTANCE FROM, UM, BACK OF CURB INTO THIS MORE FLEXIBLE APPROACH THAT'S BASED JUST ON SIGN AREA PER LINEAR FOOT OF BUILDING FRONTAGE AND AN EFFORT TO BOTH SIMPLIFY AND MAKE THINGS MORE FLEXIBLE FOR TENANTS.NEXT ONE, SOME OTHER KEY CHANGES IN THIS SECTION.
SO THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTING TRAFFIC AROUND ACCESS DRIVES OR THROUGH A PARKING LOT, UM, ARE ALLOWED TO EXCEED, UM, QUANTITY LIMITATIONS FOR DETACHED SIGNS.
UM, WE CLARIFIED THAT MURALS DO REQUIRE A SIGN PERMIT, UM, AND STAFF REVIEW, BUT ONLY THAT PORTION OF THE MURAL THAT ADVERTISES THE BUSINESS WOULD COUNT TOWARDS SIGN AREA.
SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, THAT WHITE SQUARE WOULD REALLY BE THE SIGN.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE BASE FLOWER BORDER.
UM, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCES FOR BUILDINGS AND MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS TO HAVE BOTH LARGER ATTACHED SIGNS AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL PROJECTING OR UNDER CANOPY SIGNS.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO ADDED SOME SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THOSE POLE MOUNTED BANNERS, LIKE THE ONES YOU SEE AROUND AT TRIVIAN OR ADDISON CIRCLE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
MOVING INTO THE MASTER SIGN PLAN.
UM, THIS IS A NEW PROCEDURE AND IT IS FOR LARGER SHOPPING CENTER STYLE CAMPUS STYLE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ALLOWS FOR DEVIATIONS FROM STANDARDS IN THOSE BASE SIGN REGULATIONS.
UM, AND IT'S INTENDED TO REPLACE THE CURRENT, UH, SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICTS THAT ADDISON HAS IN THE UDC.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE, THE ONES THAT ARE, UM, SPECIFIC TO ADDISON CIRCLE AND A FEW OF THE OTHER BIG DEVELOPMENTS, THOSE ARE NOW IN AN APPENDIX.
UM, AND I THINK STAFF IS HOPING THAT, UM, THOSE CAN BE UPDATED, UM, AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UM, THIS IS SORT OF THE REPLACEMENT PROCESS AND IT'S AVAILABLE FOR MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS CONTAINING MORE THAN ONE BUILDING IN THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
UM, SO AFTER, UM, APPROVAL AND IN THE FUTURE, MINOR AMENDMENTS BY THE DIRECTOR ARE ALLOWED, AND MORE MAJOR AMENDMENTS WOULD REQUIRE A NEW MASTER SIGN PLAN.
BUT IN ADDITION TO REQUESTING THOSE DEVIATIONS FROM THE SIGN CODE, IT IS REQUIRED THAT THE MASTER SIGN PLAN HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL THEME WITH COORDINATED DESIGN FEATURES, MATERIALS AND COLORS.
SO IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO BE FOR THOSE BIGGER COHESIVE DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY NEED ADDITIONAL OR SPECIAL SIGNAGE.
IT'S NOT REALLY INTENDED FOR A SINGLE PROPERTY THAT WANTS TO DEVIATE FROM THE SIGN REGULATIONS NEXT.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THIS TOPIC IS PRETTY UNIQUE TO ADDISON, IS HOW THE TOWN HAS APPROACHED THE REGULATION OF ALCOHOL RELATED SIGNS.
UM, SO AS I DESCRIBED BEFORE, THE REED VERSUS GILBERT DECISION RESTRICTED CONTENT-BASED SIGN REGULATIONS.
UM, HOWEVER, THE CURRENT PRACTICE, UM, IN ADDISON IS TO ADD ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITIONS.
UM, THE CONDITION THAT SAYS THE ATTA THE ESTABLISHMENT SHALL NOT USE THE TERM BAR TAVERN OR ANY OTHER TERMS OR GRAPHIC DEPICTIONS THAT RELATE TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON ANY SIGNS VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERIOR OF THE PREMISE.
UM, SO THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS PRACTICE WOULD BE THAT ROLE OF CONTENT NEUTRALITY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE READY FOR QUESTIONS.
SO YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL THERE.
THANK YOU, GABBY, FOR WALKING US THROUGH THAT.
UM, MAYBE WE, LET'S START WITH ALL THE KIND OF NUTS AND BOLTS FIRST THAT GABBY TALKED ABOUT, AND THEN HOLD THE, HOLD THAT LAST TOPIC MAYBE FOR A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THE ALCOHOL RELATED SIGNS.
BUT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON ALL THE INITIAL NUTS AND BOLTS? YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CLEANUP, THE, THE CLARIFICATION OF WHERE DIFFERENT SIGNS ARE ALLOWED, ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, NEW CLARITY ON, ON ON FREESTANDING SIGNS VERSUS ATTACHED SIGNS, ET CETERA.
ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JIMMY? UH, WHY THE CHANGE FROM CITY COUNCIL TO PLANNING AND ZONING FOR APPROVAL? I, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT MAKES THIS TOWN SPECIAL IS THAT WE DO HAVE A FAIRLY RESTRICTIVE SIGN ORDINANCE.
AND WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN BELTLINE, IT'S NOT LIKE DRIVING DOWN LAMAR BOULEVARD IN AUSTIN.
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VERY RESTRAINED.AND I THINK THAT MOVING THE APPROVAL TO PLANNING AND ZONING, NOT THAT I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST P AND Z, UH, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE ELECTIVE OFFICIALS MAKE THOSE, UH, EXCEPTIONS TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
UH, WHY WAS THE MOVE TO PLANNING AND ZONING SUGGESTED? SO THE, THE ULTIMATE CONSIDERATION OF SIGNS IS ULTIMATELY, UH, IT'S A DEVELOPMENT REGULATION.
SO WE FELT THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, GIVEN THAT THEY ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD TASKED WITH, UH, PROVIDING DIRECTION ON REQUESTS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN, THAT THEY WOULD BE WELL POSITIONED TO TAKE ON THAT DUTY.
UM, COUNSEL HAS A VERY BUSY AGENDA.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE SIGN REQUESTS, BUT GIVEN THE, THE REFINEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING, UH, TO OUR REGULATIONS AS WELL, I, I DO THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE LESS REQUESTS FOR FLEXIBILITY.
ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS IF WE'RE ALSO GONNA CONSIDER A, AN APPEAL PROCESS TO THIS ACTION.
IF IT GOES STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL, THERE'S REALLY NO OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, APPEAL A DECISION.
UM, YOU COULD CONSIDER OTHER AVENUES SUCH AS THE BZA, UH, BUT, UH, WE FEEL THAT, UH, PNZ IS VERY WELL SUITED TO, UH, CONSIDER THIS, UH, UH, REQUEST FOR FLEXIBILITY.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE SIGN PROCESS WHERE THAT, UH, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION WAS JUST ABOUT THAT ALTERNATIVE SIGN PROCESS, RIGHT? THE DIS RIGHT? YEAH.
TAYLOR, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE KIND OF NUTS AND BOLTS, MAYBE IT'D BE HELPFUL JUST FROM KEN AND STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY SEE AS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES TODAY.
IS IT TOO RESTRICTIVE, NOT RESTRICTIVE ENOUGH, TOO MUCH STAFF TIME? IF THE REVIEW'S NOT DONE AT THE RIGHT PLACE, ALL UNDER THE GUISE OF WHAT IS GONNA PRODUCE THE BEST, MOST CREATIVE FUNCTIONING SIGNS FOR THE USERS, BUT ALSO YOU KNOW, FOR THE IMAGE OF THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN ESSENCE, IF IT WAS JUST PURELY STAFF DRIVEN AND HOW THIS IS REGULATED? I'D, I'D SAY IT, THERE'S REALLY TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS CLARITY OF THE ORDINANCE.
THERE'S SOME SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT ARE NOT, UH, CLEARLY WRITTEN, AND THERE'S ROOM FOR VARIOUS PERSPECTIVES TO INTERPRET IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
UM, THAT'S A BIG, UH, COMPONENT OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE HERE TO, TO, UH, ELIMINATE THAT AMBIGUITY.
BUT I WOULD SAY THERE'S SOME COMPONENTS OF THE REGULATION THAT ARE TOO STRICT AND DETRACT, UH, FROM THE PROVISION OF PROVIDING FOR ATTRACTIVE SIGNAGE.
UM, THE ONE PROVISION THAT WE GOT RID OF, UM, THAT WAS NOTED, OR ONE OF THEM, BUT ONE OF THE MORE PROMINENT ONES WAS THE FOCUS ON, UM, LOGO AND LETTER HEIGHT AS IT RELATES TO THE SETBACK FROM THE STREET.
UM, WHERE WE DO HAVE MERITORIOUS EXCEPTIONS, MOST OF THEM RELATE TO THAT PARTICULAR RESTRICTION.
AND TYPICALLY, UM, THOSE REQUESTS REFLECT SIGNS THAT DO FALL WITHIN THE, UH, MAXIMUM SIGN AREA PROVISION.
SO THE, THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING FACADE AREA THAT THE SIGN CAN, CAN OCCUPY, BUT BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT SIZE LOGO.
SO THIS ACTUALLY IMPACTED THE TOWN OF ADDISON ONCE WITH OUR LOGO.
WE HAD TO GIVE OURSELVES A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION FOR OUR, UH, NEW AIRPORT FACILITY.
AND, UM, WHEN SOMEONE HAS A BRAND AND THEY WANT TO INCLUDE THAT BRAND IN THEIR SIGNAGE, AND BECAUSE OF THE PROPORTION AND SCALE OF THAT BRAND, IT DOESN'T, UH, FIT WITH OUR CODE.
UH, IT MADE IT, UH, PROBABLY MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDED TO BE.
AND IT WAS ALSO, IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE DID NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH THE PROCESS THAT GOES WITH REQUESTING AM MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION.
AND THEY DID ASSIGN THAT I, I FEEL IS POORLY SCALED AND DOES NOT LOOK, LOOK ATTRACTIVE ON THE BUILDING.
I, I'D SAY A, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS SALAD AND GO.
UM, THEY HAVE A VERY ATTRACTIVE BRAND AND LOGO AND SIGNAGE, BUT BECAUSE OF OUR SIGN REGULATIONS, THEY JUST WANTED TO MEET THE STANDARD AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER APPROVAL PROCESS.
THEY HAVE A VERY SMALL SIGN THAT KINDA LOOKS POORLY SCALED TO THEIR BUILDING.
UM, I WOULD ASK OUR ADMINISTRATOR OF OUR SIGN CODE WHO SHE IS IN THE, THE TRENCHES OF SIGN PLAN REVIEW.
LESLIE NPE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP HERE AND ADD ANY OF THE THINGS YOU'RE SEEING FROM THE STAFF REVIEW PERSPECTIVE.
MAKING SURE SHE WAS PAYING ATTENTION.
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I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD OTHER THAN WHAT KEN HAS SHARED.UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, FROM A, UM, REGARDLESS TO YOUR POINT, REGARDLESS OF IF IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR COUNCIL, I THINK ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S REALLY CHALLENGING WITH OUR CURRENT MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION PROCESS IS THE CRITERIA.
SO, AND KEN BRIEFLY MENTION THIS, BUT I THINK CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO CRITERIA, AND THE FIRST IS THAT THERE'S AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP, WHICH IS VERY HARD TO MEET.
AND THE SECOND IS THAT IT'S A WORK OF ART.
SO SOMETHING LIKE A MURAL, UM, IN MOST INSTANCES, AS KEN POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T LOOK TO SCALE AND SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T LOOK APPROPRIATE DOESN'T MEET ANY OF EITHER OF THOSE CRITERIA.
SO, UM, AS A PART OF THIS, WE HAVE EXPANDED THAT CRITERIA TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.
UM, SO TO HELP STAFF AND ALSO HELP GUIDE WHATEVER BODY WOULD REVIEW THOSE REQUESTS.
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MICHAEL? UM, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF DOING SOME RETAIL LEASING IN MY CAREER.
AND WHAT THE, ALMOST INEVITABLY THE, THE SECOND QUESTION THAT PEOPLE ASK IS, OKAY, HOW BIG CAN I MAKE MY SIGN? AND HOW MANY, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, THEY CAN, THERE'S JUST NO LIMIT TO THAT.
UH, IF THEY COULD COVER THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THEIR LEASE SPACE, THEY WOULD DO.
SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, I WOULD ILLUSTRATE THE SIGN SECTION WITH AS MANY POSSIBLE EXAMPLES AS YOU CAN FIND TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR POINT.
BECAUSE LIKE FOR THE BUILDINGS I MANAGE, WE'LL SAY, OKAY, OUR, OUR SIGN REGULATIONS ARE TOWN OF ADDISON PLUS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DECIDE GOES ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE CODE SECTION THAT MOST IS MOST INTERACTED WITH BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR THE BUSINESS PUBLIC.
AND TO KEEP THOSE REQUESTS OUT OF YOUR HAIR
UH, OTHERWISE IT, YOU'RE, AND EVEN THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COMING UP WITH ANY WAY, NUMBER OF SHAPE OR FORM OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO CIRCUMVENT IT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS, THIS WILL BE THE ONE THING THAT I THINK WILL SAVE MUCH IN THE WAY OF EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND HEAD OFF A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
IF YOU CAN ANSWER AS MANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE IN WRITING OR VISUALLY AND IN THE REGULATIONS.
I, I THINK WE MADE A NOTE IN THERE THAT WE CARRIED FORWARD SOME OF THE EXISTING REGULATIONS FOR NOW, JUST WHILE WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE TEXT IS RIGHT AND THE STANDARDS ARE RIGHT, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA GO BACK IN AND DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND JUST ILLUSTRATE THE, THE HECK OUT OF THOSE THINGS, UM, WITH GOOD AND BAD EXAMPLES.
AND WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT, AND IT IS A GREAT POINT, MIKE.
THE, THE MOST HANDS-ON CUSTOMER SERVICE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IS THE SIGN PERMITTING PROCESS.
IT, IT IS WHERE WE GET THE MOST CALLS, EMAILS, MOST INTERACTION WITH SIGN VENDORS, UH, BUT ALSO, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL.
SO IT IS CRITICAL MORE THAN, UH, EVEN SOME OF THE ZONING ITEMS THAT, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THIS CODE TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE.
JIM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, NO MATTER WHAT WE PUT IN THE SIGNED ORDINANCE, BUSINESSES ARE EXPERT AT FIGURING A WAY AROUND THAT STUFF.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT IS IMPORTANT TO STAFF TO HAVE SOME ABILITY TO, TO MAKE VARIATIONS.
I 10 AGREE WITH JIMMY, THOUGH, IN TERMS OF THE, OF P AND Z VERSUS THE COUNCIL APPROVING IT.
IF YOU WANT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY OUR SIGN ORDINANCE WORKS, TAKE A LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF BELTLINE AND THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.
LOOK AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER, WHICH IS IN DALLAS, AND LOOK AT THE OTHER THREE CORNERS, WHICH ARE IN ADDISON.
AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN DALLAS IS A, WHAT IS THAT OFFICE BUILDING? EIGHT STORIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S THREE HUGE NEON SIGNS ON ONE SIDE AND ON THE BELTLINE SIGN, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
AND THEN YOU GOT THE MOST NEON SIGN I'VE EVER SEEN NEON USE I'VE EVER SEEN ON A BUILDING AT THAT TACO PLACE THERE.
THERE'S A VERY DISTINCT ADVANTAGE TO OUR SIGN ORDINANCE AS IT IS.
AND I KNOW IT'S A DI VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO ENFORCE AND APPLY.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THAT'S NOT GONNA END NO MATTER WHAT WE PUT HERE.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA TRY TO FIGURE SOME WAY AROUND WHATEVER IT IS WE WANT 'EM TO DO.
BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NO EASY SOLUTION ON THE SCIENCE.
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I, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH JIMMY.I THINK THE, THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON MAJOR VARIATIONS.
AND THE MOST COMMON ONE IS SOMEBODY, THEY HAVE THEIR NATIONAL STANDARD FOR THEIR LOGO AND THEIR SIGN, AND THEY MUST USE THAT IN THEIR BUILDING.
AND MY ANSWER TO THAT IS, NO, YOU DON'T.
NOT IF YOU'RE IN ADDISON AND ADDISON, HERE'S OUR RULES.
AND IF, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, YOU, YOU KNEW THAT COMING IN.
BUT THERE'S NO MATTER HOW YOU DO IT, I THINK IT'S BETTER.
IT'S EASIER FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO SAY NO TO A BUSINESS SOMETIMES THAN IT IS FOR P AND C, JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE SET UP THERE AND HAD TO GO THROUGH OTHER DIFFICULT DECISIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ALCOHOL DISCUSSION? I ACTUALLY HAVE A WHOLE LIST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, BUT I DON'T WANNA PREEMPT OTHERS.
UM, ON, ON, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANNA REFERENCE THIS, BUT ON PAGE 14, SECTION FOUR SOMETHING, SOMETHING, WHAT'S THE, THE TOPIC? IF THE TOPIC IS, UH, SIGNS ALLOWED WITHOUT SIGN PERMITS, MENU BOARDS AND DRIVE THROUGH SIGNS, MENU BOARDS PLACED FOR THE PURPOSES OF LISTING FOOD OR BEVERAGES OF AVAILABLE FOR SALE AND SIGNS, UH, MENU SIGNS IN A DRIVE-THROUGH.
I AM CONCERNED THAT THAT'S TOO BROAD BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION WITH 10 RESTAURANTS IN IT, WOULD THAT ALLOW EACH RESTAURANT TO PUT A MENU BOARD UP ON THE ROAD THAT LISTS THEIR MENU? THAT I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS, BUT IF YOU READ IT, IT SEEMS TO ALLOW THAT, WELL, AGAIN, REMEMBER GABBY'S OVERALL POINT WITH THIS SECTION, THESE DON'T HAVE TO GET A SIGNED PERMIT, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SIGN REGULATIONS.
SO THAT WOULD, IN THAT WOULD IMPACT WHERE THEY CAN BE ON THE SITE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT THEY CAN HAVE, THE SIZE OF SIGNS THAT THEY CAN HAVE.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYING EVERY ONE OF THEM IS GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ONE OF THESE MENU BOARDS ON THE ROAD.
WELL, AND I HAD THE SORT OF SAME QUESTION ON PAGE 23 ABOUT, UH, SITE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.
AND, UH, IT SAID UNLIMITED NUMBER OF SITE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.
AND WHEN I READ IT, THAT SEEMED CONCERNED THAT, UH, THAT EACH, I, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH RESTAURANT IN A MULTI-USE FACILITY CAN'T PUT UP A SIGN ON THE ROAD THAT SAYS, TURN HERE FOR, FOR, UH, THIS RESTAURANT, TURN HERE FOR THIS RESTAURANT, TURN HERE FOR THIS RESTAURANT.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
AND, AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR SIGN ON THE BUILDING.
THERE MAY BE EVEN A MONUMENT SIGN, BUT IF WE ALLOW DIRECTIONAL SIGNS LIKE THAT UNLIMITED, I THINK THAT'S A LOOPHOLE THAT MAY ALLOW MORE SIGNS FOR PROMOTION INSTEAD OF JUST IDENTIFICATION.
TURN THIS WAY FOR A GREAT CHEESEBURGER AT MM-HMM,
AND IF THERE'S FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN ESTABLISHMENTS IN THAT SHOPPING IN THAT DEVELOPMENT, UH, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT OUR SIGN ORDINANCES, ONE OF THE EMPHASIS WAS IT'S DESIGNED FOR IDENTIFICATION AND NOT PROMOTION.
AND EVERY BUSINESS WILL ATTEMPT TO DO MORE PROMOTION WITH THEIR SIGNS THAN SIMPLY IDENTIFYING THE BUSINESS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS LIKED IS AN UNDERSIGNED SENTIMENT TO OUR SIGN ORDINANCE IS FOR IDENTIFICATION, NOT PROMOTION.
AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS TO THAT IN THE, WHEREAS IS IN WHERE FORESTS.
BUT I, BUT I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND OUR SIGN ORDINANCES.
THERE WAS SOME MENTION ABOUT LIVE WORK UNITS ALLOW SIGNS AND, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT A LIVE WORK UNIT IS.
I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE IN THE FIRST INSTALLMENT.
SO THAT'S TYPICALLY GONNA BE A, A BUILDING THAT'S GOT MAYBE A, A NON-COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A DWELLING UNIT ABOVE.
SO MAYBE SOMEBODY'S WORKING ABOVE THEIR POTTERY STUDIO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, AND, AND I WOULD MAKE SENSE SO LONG AS IT'S DEFINED THAT WAY, BECAUSE EVERY RESIDENTIAL HOUSE IN IN ADDISON COULD BE A LIVE WORK UNIT IF YOU HAVE A HOME BUSINESS.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T CREATE AN EXCEPTION FOR IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
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IT'S A GOOD POINT.I I THINK WE GOT THAT COVERED BACK IN THE FIRST INSTALLMENT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN HOME BASED BUSINESSES AND LIVE WORK UNITS.
UH, OTHER ALSO, I THINK THAT WE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF, WHEN WE HAVE AN ILLUSTRATION OF POLL SIGNS, RIGHT NOW, I THINK ON PAGE 25, THERE'S AN ILLUSTRATION OF TWO POLES, TWO TWO POLE SIGNS.
IT'D BE HELPFUL IF WE HAVE AN ILLUSTRATION OF A SINGLE POLE SIGN IN THAT SAME ILLUSTRATION.
'CAUSE THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT WE HAVE IN ADDISON, WHICH I LIKE.
UM, AND THAT'S A, WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THAT GRAPHIC TOO.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A LEGACY GRAPHIC.
CAN THE SIGN CODE REQUIRE THAT IF A BUSINESS GOES OUTTA BUSINESS AND THEY PULL THEIR BLANK OUT OF THE SIGN THAT, THAT THEY PULL THEIR SIGN OUT OF A MULTI-TENANT SIGN OR A POLE SIGN THAT IT'D BE REPLACED WITH THE BLANK? BECAUSE YOU, YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN SOMETIMES AND YOU SEE THESE POLE SIGNS WITH NOTHING IN 'EM, AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH 'EM, THERE COULD BE ELECTRICITY IN THE SIGNS THERE AND IT JUST LOOKS TACKY.
AND WHEN I TALKED TO CARMEN ABOUT THIS YEARS AGO, SHE SAID, WELL, THE ELE THE NUISANCE CODE WOULD PREVENT THAT.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD ADD SOMETHING INTO THE SIGN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
THAT ALL OF THOSE SIGNS HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A FACE ON WHATEVER APPROPRIATE SIDE.
YEAH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.
IT IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO, UM, WHEN SOMEONE DOES A BIG BOX RETAILER OR SOMETHING AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT SURETY IN UPFRONT, AND THEN IF THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS, UM, THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, MAKE SPECIAL, THEY HAVE TO DO SPECIAL CLEANUP ON THAT SITE OR ELSE THEY LOSE THAT SURETY.
UH, IT'S THE SAME THING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES EARLIER IN THE CONVERSATION.
IF THEY, IF THEY STOP USING THAT FACILITY DURING A CERTAIN PERIOD, THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN OR ELSE THE TOWN'S GONNA TAKE IT DOWN FOR THEM.
I MEAN, IT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE THE SIGN PERMIT PROCESS MORE COMPLEX.
YOU'D, YOU'D BE INTRODUCING A FINANCIAL GUARANTEE COMPONENT TO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE DOING THAT NOW, KEN, WE COULD DO THAT.
I, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO GET INTO THE, UH, FINANCIAL SIDE OF THAT CONSIDERATION.
IT MAY BE THE ONLY EFFECTIVE WAY YOU CAN TO ENFORCE IT.
I THINK THERE'S ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS.
IT CAN GET CHALLENGING AND IT MAY BE, UM, THE ONCE A, ONCE A BUSINESS VACATES, THERE'S NOT A TREMENDOUS INCENTIVE FOR THE, THE LANDOWNER TO INVEST IN THE PROPERTY UNTIL THEY HAVE A NEW TENANT.
SO WE COULD, WHAT WOULD LIKELY HAPPEN, A LOT OF CASES WAS STAFF WOULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO ENFORCE IT AND TO GET THEM INTO COMPLIANCE AND THE COMPLIANCE ACTION WOULDN'T OCCUR AND UNTIL WHEN WE GOT 'EM IN COURT, WHICH IS FINE, WE HAVE THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS OR TWO WHEN THEY HAVE A NEW TENANT.
AND THEN THEY NEED TO COME TO US TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND ULTIMATELY GET A NEW SIGN.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH INCLUDING A PROVISION LIKE THAT IN THE CODE.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I THINK WITH OUR STAFFING GETTING INTO THE SURETY PROCESS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE TO BEGIN WITH FOR THAT LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENT.
BUT ALSO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THAT IS ADDS A LOT OF COMPLEXITY.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT POINT.
SO, UM, FROM, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, SO I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT STANDARD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS CURRENTLY DO REQUIRE REPLACEMENT OF A BLANK FACE IN THOSE HOLES THROUGH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES.
SO WE DON'T DO IT, WE DON'T ENFORCE THAT THROUGH THE SIGN CODE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, BUT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS WE DO.
UH, SO IF YOU DO SEE THOSE, PLEASE SUBMIT A FIX IT OR LET US KNOW SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
MY LAST ONE, AND I GOT A CALL ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING FOR SOME REASON, I DO NOT KNOW WHY, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PROVISION OF THE SIGN CODE THAT ALLOWS NO PARKING TO AWAY ALL THAT STUFF, UH, TO BE ERECTED WITHOUT A SIGN PERMIT.
UH, NOW WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT TO HAVE A SIGN PERMIT, WHICH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IF THEY'RE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, ARE THERE ANY STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS? BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT BUSINESS OWNERS ARE GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ENTER THEIR PROPERTY, THEY, THOSE SIGNS ARE VISIBLE SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE LAW ABOUT TOWING.
AND, UH, I I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE, I, WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH THAT IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT HAMPERING THE BUSINESSES FROM BEING
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ABLE TO ENFORCE THEIR PART, THEIR TOWING OR WHATEVER, BUT ALSO NOT MAKING THEM SO GARISH THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THESE SIGNS THAT FACE THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, FOR NO PARKING AND ALL OF THAT.UH, I MISSED THE TYPE OF SIGN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU SAID NO PARKING OR, WELL, UH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT.
I THINK, I THINK THAT SIGN WOULD PROB IN MY OPINION, THAT SIGN WOULD FALL UNDER THE SIGNS ALLOWED WITHOUT A SIGN PERMIT.
'CAUSE THEY GENERALLY WOULD NOT BE READABLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
'CAUSE GENERALLY THEY WOULD BE FACING AWAY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IN A PARKING LOT CONTEXT.
IF IT WAS A PRIVATE STREET WHERE THEY HAD ON STREET PARKING THAT FOR SOME REASON THEY HAD NO PARKING SIGNS, UM, THAT MAY APPLY.
BUT IF IT WAS A PUBLIC STREET AND PUBLIC NO PARKING SIGNS, THAT ONCE AGAIN WOULD ALSO BE A SIGN, UH, ALLOWED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE THAT PARTICULAR, UM, UH, CONDITION, UH, WOULD REQUIRE A SIGN.
WELL, AND, AND I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT I HAVE HEARD A CONCERN THAT NO PARKING SIGNS AS YOU ENTER NOPE.
YOU KNOW, TOLLWAY ZONES, IF YOU'RE NOT AN AUTHORIZED RESIDENT OF THIS, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX OR THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS EXIST, UH, RIGHT AS YOU ENTER THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT THOSE NEED, THOSE SHOULD NEED A SIGNED PERMIT AS WELL.
EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT SURE WHAT STANDARDS SHOULD APPLY TO THEM, BECAUSE I SUSPECT THAT THERE'S SOME STATE RULES ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR ENFORCING, TOWING AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, BUT I KNOW I'VE SEEN SOME THAT ARE FAIRLY LARGE AND LOOK PRETTY TACKY.
UH, SO IF WE COULD MAYBE JUST EXPLORE THAT AS TIME ALLOWS SURE.
THAT WILL GET THIS PERSON OFF OF MY BACK BECAUSE I MENTIONED IT.
AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS SECTION.
SO AS WE, 'CAUSE WE WON'T BE PRESENTING THIS TO PNZ AND COUNCIL TONIGHT.
THEY'LL GET IT AFTER THE NEW YEAR.
SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME TWEAKS BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED TODAY.
AND I THINK THAT COULD INVOLVE THAT SITE DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, JIMMY.
AND IT COULD BE THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF TWEAKS TO ADDRESS BOTH THAT AND THE EARLIER COMMENT THAT YOU MADE.
'CAUSE THOSE SITE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS COULD TALK ABOUT OPERATIONS ON THE SITE AS WELL AS JUST DIRECTIONS POTENTIALLY.
ONE, ONE OTHER COMMENT, MAYBE JUST TO BACK JIMMY UP ON THE COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO P AND Z, I THINK THAT GIVES ADDITIONAL COVER TO THE STAFF.
I, IF IT'S OKAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT.
UH, AGAIN, BEING IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, UM, AND I KNOW ADDISON IN THE PAST HAS ADOPTED WANTING TO HAVE MORE PERMANENT REAL ESTATE SIGNS.
AND IN A LOT OF CASES, ESPECIALLY WITH A MULTI-TENANT PROPERTY, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEWHAT.
UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE, SAY, A SINGLE TENANT RETAIL PROPERTY THAT HAS ONE SIGN AND YOUR TENANT GIVES YOU SIX MONTHS NOTICE, YOU NEED TO START MARKETING THAT PROPERTY.
BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE VACANT, YOU COULD PUT A LEASE SIGN OVER WHATEVER SIGNAGE IS THERE ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO MARKET WHILE THE TENANT'S STILL THERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A BIT OF A BURDEN TO HAVE TO HIRE A HANDYMAN, GO OUT THERE, DIG TWO HOLES, SET POSTS, PUT THE SIGN UP, YOU HAVE THE SIGN, IT MAY BE UP FOR A MONTH, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN.
SO I'VE NEVER QUITE UNDERSTOOD WHY THERE WASN'T A SOMEWHAT OF AN EXCEPTION FOR A MORE PORTABLE SIGN, SAY A THREE BY FIVE SIGN.
I AGREE, IF IT LOOKS RATTY THAT IT SHOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO HIRE A CREW TO GO OUT THERE AND ERECT IT, I CAN MORE OR LESS DO IT MYSELF.
AND THAT SAVES ME TIME, THAT SAVES ME MONEY AND IT GETS THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, I CAN GO OUT THERE AND DO THAT VERY QUICKLY.
I CAN REMOVE IT VERY QUICKLY AS WELL.
I, I NOT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT, HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT AN ONGOING PROBLEM WITH THE TOWN, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME EXCEPTION THERE FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THAN A FEW, YOU KNOW, SINGLE TENANT BUILDINGS AROUND WITH SIGNAGE LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT THERE COULD BE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REAL ESTATE SIGNS.
THERE'S NOT MUCH VACANT LAND LEFT IN ADDISON.
AND I DID SEE THE SECTION ABOUT THE VACANT LAND SIGNS AND OKAY, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE PERMANENT.
BUT I STILL THINK A, A SIGN THAT IS YOU COULD PUT IN
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THE GROUND, BUT NOT HAVING TO ESSENTIALLY AFFIX INTO THE GROUND WITH CONCRETE WOULD ALSO BE ACCEPTABLE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.BUT IF IT TAKES A YEAR TO LEASE THE PROPERTY, I WOULD HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF THE LENGTH OF TIME SUCH A SIGN COULD BE UP BEFORE BEING MORE PERMANENTLY INSTALLED.
'CAUSE YOU, SOMETIMES IT TAKES A YEAR OR TWO TO RELEASE PROPERTY.
BUT I, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND, AND IT'S VERY VALID.
SO I'M GONNA MOVE TO THE, UH, ALCOHOL CONTENT ISSUE.
AND THIS IS A UNIQUE TOPIC FOR ADDISON.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED, GABBY TALKED ABOUT THIS.
Y'ALL HAVE A, A TRADITION OF, UH, THAT I THINK IS, IS CLOSELY TIED TO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT QUALITY.
YOU KNOW, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS FROM OUR INTERVIEWS WITH, WITH FOLKS, AND YOU DON'T WANNA SEE SIGNS THAT SPECIFICALLY ADVERTISE, UH, ALCOHOL BARS, GRILLS, ET CETERA.
UM, THAT'S PRETTY DIRECTLY CONTRARY TO THE FEDERAL, UM, UH, CASE THAT GABBY TALKED ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN'T REGULATE CONTENT.
UM, I THINK THIS IS AN ONGOING CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT JUST ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT, UM, DO THESE OTHER RULES, THESE, THESE OTHER CLARITY, THESE OTHER CONTROLS ON QUALITY THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, ARE THOSE GONNA PROVIDE ENOUGH ASSURANCE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'LL HAVE GOOD QUALITY SIGNAGE IN ADDISON WITHOUT NEEDING TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD? ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC? UM, BEFORE WE GET THOUGHTS, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD IS THIS IS A, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS INTERCONNECTED TO OUR LAND USE AND ZONING DISTRICT ISSUE, OR OUR, OUR REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THERE.
SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG TIME, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PRESENTED, UM, UH, BACK WHEN WE REVIEWED THAT SECTION IS GETTING AWAY FROM REQUIRING AN SUP FOR RESTAURANT LAND USES.
SO CURRENTLY THAT IS REQUIRED FOR ALL RESTAURANTS IN TOWN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY SELL ALCOHOL OR NOT.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO REQUIRE AN SEP FOR ALCOHOL SALES FOR ON AND OFFSITE CONSUMPTION.
UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT ISSUE, THERE'S ALSO, UM, UH, POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH STATE LEGISLATION AS IT RELATES TO HOW CITIES CAN ZONE, UH, RESTAURANTS AND OTHER BUSINESSES THAT SELL ALCOHOL.
SO THIS IS KIND OF INTERCONNECTED WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.
SO IF WE DO ULTIMATELY MAKE CHANGES THERE, CURRENTLY, HOW WE ADOPT THOSE S WE PUT IN CONDITIONS INTO THOSE UPS THAT ADDRESS THIS SIGN ISSUE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE TOWN SIGN ORDINANCE CURRENTLY.
SO IF WE NO LONGER REQUIRED AN SUP FOR A RESTAURANT THAT SELLS ALCOHOL, THEN TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO APPLY THIS CONSIDERATION, WE'D HAVE TO PUT IT ELSEWHERE IN OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH THEN PUTS US IN CONFLICT WITH THE PREVAILING LAW, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THIS ISSUE.
SO IT'S A, A LAYERED DISCUSSION THAT WE'LL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO, UH, HAVE SOME MORE DIALOGUE WITH OUR, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AS WELL.
SO, GIVEN THAT BACKGROUND,
I THINK THAT REID VERSUS GILBERT SAYS WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT.
I THINK, I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING IT IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE
AND, AND I KNOW THAT GOES PROBABLY AGAINST EVERY DEVELOPMENT STANDARD IN THE WORLD ABOUT NOT CODIFYING THINGS THAT ARE ILLEGAL, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE ILLEGAL TOMORROW BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY A SUPREME COURT DECISION AND OF LATE, WE UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE HAVE CHANGED.
SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE AND IF WE CAN ENFORCE IT, SO BE IT, BECAUSE I DON'T, I MEAN, WE STILL ARE DOING IT AND NOBODY SEEMS TO BE OBJECTING TO IT, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT NOW.
AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT GOING INTO THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE, SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T PROVIDE A POTENTIAL FOR INVALIDATING THE WHOLE SIGN ORDINANCE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN? YES.
UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS WE'RE WE'RE DICTATING
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WORDS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE USED OR POSTED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED BY 'EM, BUT NOT EVERYBODY'S OFFENDED BY 'EM.SO WHERE DOES THAT STOP? I MEAN, AS, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S AGAINST SMOKING, DOES CIGAR, DOES THAT OFFEND ME OR DOES CBD THAT OFFENDS ME AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WHERE, WHERE DOES IT STOP? DO WE JUST HAVE THIS LIST OF WORDS? I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND IF IT'S A PROFANITY OR ALTHOUGH THAT DOESN'T OFFEND SOME PEOPLE, BUT THAT DOESN'T OFFEND ME.
SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE LOOPHOLE, I GUESS, TYPE TOPICS.
THAT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S EVEN IN THERE OR HOW IT GOT IN THERE.
I COULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHY IT'S IN THERE.
WHEN, WHEN THE TOWN STARTED DEVELOPING BIG TIME, WE STARTED GETTING A SERIOUS TAKEOFF IN THE, IN THE MID EIGHTIES.
WE WANTED THE TOWN TO BE KNOWN AS A PLACE TO DINE, NOT AS A PLACE TO DRINK.
WE KNEW PEOPLE WOULD BE DRINKING AND WE KNEW THE RESTAURANTS WOULD BE SERVING ALCOHOL.
'CAUSE THAT'S, WE WERE THE ONLY ONES AROUND IN THOSE DAYS.
BUT THE REASON IT'S THERE IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE WORD MAKES IT OBJECTIONABLE TO ANYBODY, IT'S THE IMAGE THAT IT PRESENTS ABOUT THE TOWN ITSELF.
I GUESS, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S AN ICE HOUSE.
AN ICE HOUSE IS A BAR IN TAVERN.
SO WHERE WAS THAT REGULATED? UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S A WORD THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT RELATE TO THAT.
SO IT'S NOT IN THE, IN THE LIST.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, BUT I REINFORCING GEM'S POINT.
UM, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE CURRENT ADDISON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE ONE THAT'S BEING UPDATED, IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING DOCUMENT AND IT'S ACTUALLY NOT REALLY A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO MUCH AS A HISTORY OF THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
AND IT'S GOT SOME GOOD DISCUSSION, I THINK, OF SOME OF THOSE DYNAMICS ABOUT HOW THE, THE DINING, UH, FOCUS IN THE CITY EVOLVED AND, AND HOW THAT NEEDED TO BE DISTINGUISHED FROM THE, THE LIQUOR INDUSTRY.
AND IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, IT EXPLAINS EXACTLY WHY A LIST OF WORDS HAS EVOLVED TODAY TO BE THE, THE, THE RED LETTER LIST.
BUT IT KIND OF EXPLAINS THAT DYNAMIC OF HOW THIS BECAME TO BE AN IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT NEEDED EXTRA REGULATION.
MICHAEL, I UNDERSTAND JIM'S POINT VERY MUCH, BUT YOU KNOW, WHENEVER I TRAVEL SOUTH ON INWOOD JUST SOUTH OF BELTLINE, I SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS CONDOM SENSE.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT BAR AND GRILL, HOW THAT, OR BAR OR TAVERN IS ANY MORE SUGGESTIVE AT THIS POINT THAN THAT SIGN THAT I JUST MENTIONED.
SO WHERE'S THE W WHERE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BECAUSE ADDISON IS KNOWN AS A PLACE TO COME EAT AND DRINK.
WHY NOT HAVE THAT BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE A BAR AND GRILL.
IT JUST DOESN'T SAY THAT ON THE OUTSIDE.
BUT YOU'VE GOT OTHER BUSINESSES THAT, THAT ARE ADVERTISING CLEARLY WHAT THEY OFFER AS WELL, AND IN MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS ACCEPTABLE, SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE TERMS. SO WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE THIS TODAY, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL KIND OF FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN USE AS WE CARRY THIS FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR DISCUSSION.
SO ANY, ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU HAVE WOULD BE HELPFUL OR NOTHING? I THINK ON, ON THAT TOPIC, WHAT I WOULD ADD IS I THINK THE INDUSTRY IS JUST IN GENERAL GOING AWAY AND KIND OF SELF-REGULATING FROM BEING REALLY FOCUSED ON BRANDING RELATED TO ALCOHOL OR TERMS LIKE BAR THE BRANDING.
WE DON'T GET VERY MANY, UH, BUSINESSES THAT HAVE THOSE TERMS IN THEIR ACTUAL CORPORATE BRAND.
UM, SO IT DO, I CAN'T THINK OF A TIME, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A HANDFUL IN MY THREE YEAR TENURE HERE, BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN VERY MANY.
I CAN'T THINK OF A GREAT EXAMPLE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IN MY TENURE HERE, WHERE THAT HAS COME UP.
SO I, I THINK IT'S, WE MAY BE SPENDING A LOT OF ENERGY ON AN ISSUE THAT ISN'T SO MUCH OF AN ISSUE ANYMORE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO DO.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDER THIS ISSUE AS WELL AS THAT EVERY OTHER ISSUE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CODE.
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IT, IT KIND OF DO DOVETAILS WELL WITH ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TOPICS THAT WE COVERED, WHERE WE'RE RECOGNIZING THAT ADDISON HAD A LONG TRADITION IN THE PAST OF HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TOOLS AND IT, AND EVOLVE THE WAY THAT WE DO THAT IN THE NEW CODE AND NOT JUST MAINTAIN THE CURRENT TOOLS THAT WE HAD IN THE PAST THAT THAT MAY NOT BE WORKING.I THINK WE JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF FINAL SLIDES.
UM, WERE WE SUPPOSED TO FINISH AT THREE OR THREE 30? UM, THREE 30.
UM, WE JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF THE NEXT INSTALLMENT, UH, OF THE CODE, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES.
UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE, THE, UH, A GOOD CHUNK OF MATERIAL THAT REALLY EXPLAINS HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE, AND IT'S REALLY GONNA HAVE A LOT OF IMPORTANT TOOLS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET.
BUT ALL THE GENERAL, UH, PURPOSE STATEMENTS FOR THE ENTIRE CODE IS GONNA BE INCLUDED.
ALL THE GENERAL NON-CONFORMITY RULES WILL BE INCLUDED FOR THE ENTIRE CODE.
ALL THE ENFORCEMENT STUFF WILL BE INCLUDED.
THERE WILL BE A SUMMARY TABLE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PROCEDURES.
SO HOW DO YOU GET A VARIANCE? HOW DO YOU GET A REZONING? WHO MAKES THOSE DECISIONS? WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT WE CALL COMMON REVIEW PROCEDURES.
SO FOR ALL THOSE DIFFERENT APPLICATION TYPES, GENERALLY, WHO DO YOU SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO? GENERALLY, WHAT IS A COMPLETE APPLICATION? WHAT DO YOU DO IF AN APPLICATION'S NOT COMPLETE? UM, HOW MUCH TIME DOES THE STAFF HAVE TO MAKE THEIR, YOU KNOW, REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION? HOW MUCH, HOW DO YOU MAKE NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC? ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS CAN BE STANDARDIZED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, MORE THAN YOU DO IN YOUR CURRENT CODE, JUST TO GIVE MORE CLARITY AND PREDICTABILITY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT EVERYTHING MULTIPLE TIMES, LIKE YOU'VE GOT IT NOW SO YOU DON'T HAVE INCONSISTENCIES THAT ARE HARD TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE RULES FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PERMITS AND PROCEDURES, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, REZONINGS, ET CETERA.
THE SUBDIVISION PROCEDURES WILL BE HERE AS WELL.
IN TEXAS, YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STATUTORY, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, PLATTING, UH, REVIEW TIMELINES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RULES FOR SUBDIVISION PROCEDURES THAN WE DO FOR ZONING PROCEDURES.
UM, UH, AND THEN THE, THE FINAL THING I'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE FLEXIBILITY AND RELIEF.
IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHO DO YOU MAKE AN APPEAL TO OR HOW DO YOU APPLY FOR A VARIANCE? BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TOOLS LIKE, UM, MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE A MINOR MODIFICATION, SO IT'S MAYBE A, AN ABILITY FOR, UH, AN APPLICANT TO REQUEST A DEVIATION FROM A STANDARD OF SAY, 10%, MAYBE IT'S BELOW THE THRESHOLD OF A FULL ON VARIANCE.
AND IT'S GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY ABOVE THE RULE IN THE CODE.
SO A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WOULD ALLOW THAT TO BE REQUESTED, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO A FULL ON VARIANCE.
UM, THAT'S FOR A, THAT'S FOR A NUMERIC STANDARD.
A STANDARD HAS, YOU KNOW, A, A, A NUMBER OF IT, LIKE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
MAYBE I WANNA PROVIDE 90 PARKING SPACES AS OPPOSED TO A HUNDRED.
BUT THERE'S ALSO DESIGN BASED STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, STANDARDS THAT AFFECT THE DESIGN OF A BUILDING.
AND SOME COMMUNITIES ALLOW FLEXIBILITY FROM THOSE AS WELL.
AND THEY SAY, I WANT, I'VE GOT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROPOSAL I'VE GOT, I WANT TO ALLOW MY, UH, TOWER TO, YOU KNOW, TO GO X PERCENT ABOVE THE ROOF LINE IF I DO EXTRA CONCEALMENT.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME, UM, DESIGN, UH, RELATED FLEXIBILITY AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THE WHOLE PACKAGE OF THAT PART OF THE CHAPTER THAT I THINK WE'LL GET SOME GOOD DISCUSSION.
UM, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE TOOLS IN THE CURRENT ADDISON ORDINANCES.
YOU'VE GOT, THEY'RE VERY UNDEFINED THOUGH.
YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO DO A WAIVER, BUT THERE'S NOT GOOD CRITERIA FOR WHAT THOSE SHOULD BE FOR WHAT YOU CAN GET A WAIVER FROM, FOR WHAT YOU CAN'T REQUEST A WAIVER FROM.
UM, AND SO IT'S VERY, IT'S A BLACK BOX AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET IF YOU GO DOWN THAT WAIVER ALL.
SO WE'RE LIKE, WITH ALL THESE OTHER TOPICS, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE MORE CLARITY AND PREDICTABILITY ON SOME OF THOSE KEY TOOLS.
UM, UH, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THIS, UM, JUST IS SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON.
CONSISTENCY AND CLARITY, USER FRIENDLINESS.
THAT'S, THAT'S A KEY THEME OF THE ENTIRE CODE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE FLOW CHARTS FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PROCEDURES TO SHOW THEM THE KEY STEPS OF EVERY, UH, TOOL.
UM, A LOT OF THESE PROCEDURES ARE JUST NOT WELL DEFINED IN THEIR CURRENT, IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCES.
AND THAT THAT'LL BE BETTER IN THE NEW DOCUMENT.
UM, I THINK I'VE COVERED A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
UM, BETTER STANDARDS ON ADDRESSING NONCONFORMITIES.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE BETTER DIS BETTER STANDARDS TO DISTINGUISH NON-CONFORMING USES VERSUS NON-CONFORMING LOTS VERSUS NON-CONFORMING SITE FEATURES.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE PARKING THAT'S PROVIDED ON A SITE THAT COULD BE A SITE FEATURE THAT'S NOT CONFORMING, UH, SEPARATE FROM THE, THE USE ITSELF, UH, A FORMAL ENFORCEMENT PROCESS FOR UDC VIOLATIONS.
RIGHT NOW, THE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS IS, A LOT OF IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S, IT'S HANDLED BY INTERNAL PROCEDURES, BUT IT'S DO NOT DOCUMENTED WELL IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCES THEMSELVES.
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MEETING PROCESS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.DO YOU REQUIRE OR MAYBE MAKE OPTIONAL, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING FOR BIG APPLICATIONS.
SO BEFORE THEY COME IN AND GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD OF SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY ON A BIG NEIGHBORHOOD AFFECTING PROJECT, LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND GIVE THEM A SENSE OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT AND, AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK BEFORE YOU GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD WITH THAT APPLICATION.
UM, ALIGNMENT OF THE PLANNING PROCEDURES WITH STATE LAW, THAT'S A BIG PIECE.
UH, AND THEN I TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE ENHANCED FLEXIBILITY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF HIGHLIGHTS THAT ARE COMING IN THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BD PART OF THE CODE.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S GONNA HAVE IMPACTS ON EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN SO FAR.
SO IT'S GONNA IMPACT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WIRELESS, UH, UH, APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
SO MAYBE THERE ARE DIFFERENT FLAVORS OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT COME OUT OF THIS DRAFT.
UM, KEN, ANYTHING ELSE THAT I SHOULD HIGHLIGHT IN THIS PIECE THAT YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT? NO, MAN, YOU DID A A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THIS, BUT ONE THING EMPHASIZE ENOUGH IS HOW CRITICAL THIS SECTION IS TO OUR STAFF'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY CUSTOMER SERVICE.
THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, I WOULD SAY WITH THE UDC ISN'T THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF IT IN TERMS OF HOW WE REGULATE USE.
UM, WE HAVE CREATIVE STAFF THAT CAN WORK THROUGH THAT PIECE AND WE GET GREAT APPLICANTS THAT CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
BUT THE PREDICTABILITY OF OUR PROCESSES, BEING ABLE TO CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THE PROCESSES TO THE, OUR USERS, OUR CUSTOMERS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO EMAIL ME OR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS OR CALL STAFF MEMBERS FOR EVERY PIECE OF THAT OF THAT PROCESS, THAT IT'S CLEARLY LINED OUT FOR THEM AND IT'S PREDICTABLE.
SO WE SET FAIR EXPECTATIONS UPFRONT IS SO CRITICAL.
AND I'M SO EXCITED FOR THAT SECTION OF THIS CODE AND IT'S WHY OUR STAFF IS TAKING A, UH, QUITE A BIT OF TIME REVIEWING THAT AND TAKING A DEEP DIVE ON THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE GET THAT RIGHT 'CAUSE UM, THAT WILL BE, IN MY MIND, THE GREATEST BENEFITS OF THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, HELPING US OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY AND AT A HIGHER QUALITY OF CUSTOMER SERVICE.
THERE IS ONE THING, AND I I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN ADDISON OR NOT, SINCE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT, BUT AS WE GO THROUGH MAJOR REDEVELOPMENTS, I KNOW SOME CITIES SORT OF HAVE A, AN OPTION TO, WITHOUT SPEND, WITHOUT THE DEVELOPER SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY, GO PRESENT A CONCEPT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND INDICATE WHETHER THIS CONCEPT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, AS OPPOSED TO GOING THROUGH ALL THE EXPENSE OF DEVELOP, DRAWING THE PLANS ON ALL OF THAT AND GETTING THE POINT OF, UH, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE AS A PROCESS TO HAVE IN ADDISON.
WOULD YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THAT AS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S AN ACTUAL ZONING ENTITLEMENT, BUT RATHER JUST A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK ON A PROPOSAL? YEAH, IN GENERAL, IT'S A, IT'S A WAY FOR DEVELOPERS TO SAVE MONEY BY SAYING, OKAY, I WANT TO DO THIS HERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE LEADERS OF THE TOWN, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO, I'D PREFER TO HAVE 'EM SAY NO BEFORE I SPEND HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS DEVELOPING PLANS.
SO IT'S JUST A WAY TO SORT OF PRESENT A CONCEPT TO THE TOWN AND TO SEE IF THAT MIGHT BE SUITABLE.
AND I KNOW SOME CITIES DO IT AND HAVE HAD A GREAT DEAL OF SUCCESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT IN ADDISON BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREENFIELD.
I THINK IN, IN THEORY, IT'S, IT'S OKAY.
UH, WHAT I WOULD CAUTION, UH, IN THAT PROCESS IS YOU DO HAVE PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT DOES THAT ON A DAILY BASIS, AND THAT CAN CREATE A, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SKIP THAT, UH, LINK IN THE CHAIN AND, UM, UH, SHOOT THEIR SHOT, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND, AND MAYBE PRESENT AN IDEA THAT IS, UH, SOMETIMES GOOD.
SOMETIMES IT COULD BE USED AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT AN IDEA THAT IS NOT IN THE TOWN'S BEST INTEREST, BUT IT, IT'S ULTIMATELY A, FOR ME, THAT'S A STAFF DEC DISCRETION ITEM.
IF I HAD A GREAT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT, AND, AND THE DEVELOPER WAS INSISTENT ON WANTING TO DO THAT, UH, WITH THE TOWN, I, I DON'T SEE, UH, CITY MANAGEMENT BEING A BARRIER TO THAT HAPPENING NOW.
SO I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO FORMALIZE THAT PROCESS THROUGH REGULATION.
'CAUSE THEN IT COULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KINDA USURP OUR, OUR REVIEW PROCESS.
BUT THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
DOES THE, UH, DOES THE CITY OFFER A PRE-DEVELOPMENT, UH, MEETING NOW EVERY THURSDAY AT TWO 30?
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OKAY.WOULD THAT NOT HANDLE THAT? IT WOULD, YEAH.
AND, AND IF YOU MAKE A VERY VALID POINT, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS IN THAT ROLE.
I MEAN, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS GONNA BE AND TO HAVE A CLEAR CODIFIED PATH ANYTIME A MUNICIPALITY IS FACED WITH THESE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IN ESSENCE OF, NOT GREENFIELD, BUT REDEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH THE MAKEUP IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON AND WHAT OUR DESIRES ARE FOR THE QUALITY AND THE USE.
IT IS JUST A, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST A CHARGED ATMOSPHERE AND WE WANT TO HAVE CLARITY ON ALL PARTIES.
SO WE AVOID, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY MAYBE HAD TO HAPPEN.
UM, WHERE THERE'S BEEN CASES, AND I LOVE JIMMY'S IDEA.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SOUNDS GREAT, THAT THE FEW THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, THEY'RE JUST MANY ZONING CASES.
AND THE DEVELOPER WHO'S NOT GONNA SPEND ANY MONEY, SPENDS MONEY AND HIRES PEOPLE AND STARTS TALKING TO NEIGHBORS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GETS ALL CHARGED.
AND I WANT TO KEEP IT WITH THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF OR MY VOICE WOULD BE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRAINED AND, AND PAID AND OBLIGATED TO DO.
AND OUR JOB IS IF WE CAN DIRECT THEM VIA THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THIS UDC PLAN, WE'VE GIVEN THE ROADMAP SO THAT WE ENSURE THAT WE GET THE QUALITY AND THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE REALLY WANT HERE.
UM, AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN GO AT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY EASIER.
THE OTHER PART OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING IN THAT DRAFT THOUGH, IS WE, WE CALL IT SOMETIMES THE TOO MUCH TOO SOON QUESTION.
AND YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT FRONTLOADING SO MANY DETAILED REQUIREMENTS UPFRONT THAT THE CITY IS EFFECTIVELY DISCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRING THE NITTY GRITTIES OF A DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN BEFORE YOU EVER GET A SENSE OF THAT OVERALL MIX OF USES BEING APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE OR THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, CON CONNECTION, CIRCULATION PATTERN ON THE SITE.
SO YOU HAVE TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE AND YOU HAVE TO NOT ASK FOR SO MUCH UPFRONT BEFORE YOU GET THE BIG IDEAS, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
AND AGAIN, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE IN THE REVISED DOCUMENT IS I THINK, MATT, YOU REFERRED TO IT AS THE DIFFERENT FLAVORS OF AN SUP MM-HMM.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN COME IN WHERE THESE ELEMENTS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GET, UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE SAY, REVIEW AS OPPOSED TO A FULL
SO MM-HMM,
I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOME TWEAKS ON THAT.
I THINK ONE THING WE MAY WANNA FOCUS ON IS LATE NIGHT HOURS RESTAURANTS AS POTENTIAL FOR RETAINING AN SUP, BUT I DON'T NEED A JAMBA JUICE IF IT, UH, IF IT COMPLIES WITH SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO BE A, HAVE A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE IN A LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S A RESTAURANT OR BAR THAT STAYS OPEN TILL FOUR IN THE MORNING AND IT'S, IT'S BYOB AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN PRESENT A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE, AND SO IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL START TO SEE SOME OF THOSE TWEAKS COME IN AS WE REVISIT THAT SECTION OF THE CODE.
WHAT ABOUT THE LATE NIGHT JAMBA JUICE? THAT'S A ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS STUFF ON THE ADMINISTRATION? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S COMING NEXT.
SO JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU SAW THIS SLIDE.
I, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS, UH, IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR.
SO WE WILL BE BACK PRETTY SOON.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE PUT THIS UP ONLINE, UM, AND THIS IS IN CONVEO, AND IF Y'ALL HAVE USED THAT SYSTEM, IT'S THE SAME ONE YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, BUT YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN A LINK TO CONVEO AND A PASSWORD, SO YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT YOUR COMMENTS DIRECTLY INTO THAT PDF.
UM, WE ARE ALSO PUTTING THIS UP ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO RESPOND TO, AND THEY'VE GOT A, UH, A GENERAL COMMENT FORM THAT THEY CAN USE, UM, AND SUBMIT TO THAT, THAT EMAIL ADDRESS.
GENERALLY WE'RE ASKING FOR COMMENTS ON THIS STUFF BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE TRAIN MOVING.
IS THAT THE SAME ONE THAT AGO? THE CONVEO? YEAH.
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UH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO, UM, GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.I I DON'T THINK IT IS GABBY, OR DO YOU, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION? IS IT THE SAME CONVEYOR LINK AND JADE WILL RESEND THE LINK? YEAH, WE'LL RESEND IT.
AND, AND WILL ALL OF THE OLD STUFF BE THERE AS WELL? OR JUST THE NEW STUFF? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AS WELL.
UH, WE HAD TO REESTABLISH BECAUSE OF THE TIME LAG, WE HAD TO REESTABLISH THE CONVEO SUBSCRIPTION, SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT OLD STUFF ON THERE.
WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK INTO THAT.
BUT REGARDLESS, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT STUFF AGAIN AS PART OF THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFT AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON THERE.
ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE HEAD OUT? THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH THE, THE AUDIO