* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING. IT IS FIVE OH ONE, AND WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL. AND IF WE WOULD, AS WE ALWAYS DO, WE'LL DO THE PLEDGES TO THE FLAGS. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE RISE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE, THE FLAG ALLEGIANCE, UNITED STATES OF AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY. LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE IN INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL GO RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. IF THERE'S ANY CITIZENS HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON JUST THE CONSENT AGENDA, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO SO. AND SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL MOVE ON [3. Requests for Clarification of Agenda Items Listed on this Agenda.] TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION OF AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA. AND THIS WILL BE FOR THE COUNCIL TO ASK ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND ALSO LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU INTEND TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION. ANYBODY? UH, YES, MAYOR, I'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING THREE C. UM, AIRPORT, UM, IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. UH, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IS THIS GOING TO INCLUDE A NOISE CONTOUR UPDATE THE MAT? SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW. WE ALREADY HAD, WE GOT THE NOISE CONTOUR STUDY, THE UPDATED NOISE CONTOUR STUDY THAT CHANGES THE NOISE CONTOUR AND ALLOWS, UM, IS REALLY MORE NARROW. SO THERE'S MORE USES THAT CAN HAPPEN. WE'RE AT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS SEEING IF WE CAN JUST DO A, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND BRING THAT SOONER TO COUNCIL SO THE NEWEST CONTRACT GETS IMPLEMENTED SOONER. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE OUR CONSULTANT LOOKING AT THAT. AND SO THE OUTSTANDING QUESTION IS JUST ENSURING THE MASTER PLAN ALIGNS WITH IT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT SEPARATELY, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD. BUT THE STUDY'S ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THE NOISE CONTOUR. YEAH, I'M SORRY. I WAS ASKING FOR A UPDATE IF WE'RE GONNA DO AN UPDATE AS PART OF THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TOTALLY SURE ABOUT THAT QUITE YET. IS THAT, I, WE'RE NOT SURE ON, WE DO, WE'RE JUST NOT SURE ON THE EXACT PROCESS WE NEED FOR THE F A A. WHAT WE'RE HOPEFUL IS THAT WE CAN JUST BRING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT UPDATES NOISE CONTOUR, AND THAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO. OKAY. AND, AND FOR THIS ITEM, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, UM, WE WOULD, WE'D BASICALLY HAVE A, UH, A NEW OR UPDATED AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, CORRECT? IT WOULDN'T BE AN AMENDMENT, IT'D JUST BE A NEW, UH, THIS IS A WHOLE NEW MASTER PLAN. OKAY, I GOT IT. NO, I DON'T NEED TO PULL THAT ITEM. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON CONSENT ITEMS? NOTHING ELSE IS GOING TO BE PULLED FOR CONSENT. VERY GOOD. [4. Closed Meeting. The Addison City Council will enter a Closed Meeting pursuant to Texas Government Code Sections 551-071 through 090 to discuss the following items:] AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS A CLOSED MEETING. MADISON CITY COUNCIL WILL ENTER A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 5 5 1 0 7 1 THROUGH 0 9 0 TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEM A IS SECTION 5 51 0 7 1 2. CONSULTATION WITH AN ATTORNEY ON A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER ZONING CASE 1 8 6 8, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, S U P AND THEN ITEM B, SECTION 5 51 0.074, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, THE REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE PERTAINING TO THE CITY SECRETARY RECRUITMENT PROCESS. AND IT IS 5 0 5 AND WE WILL ENTER INTO CLOSED SESSION AT THIS TIME. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. WE WILL GET STARTED. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. NICE TO SEE, UH, SUCH ENTHUSIASTIC PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND, UH, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL GET STARTED AND JUST SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE TO OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE ITEM SIX ON THE, UH, FIRST SECTION OF THE AGENDA, ITEM SIX, WHICH IS WORK SESSION REPORTS. THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THERE. WE ARE GOING TO POSTPONE THOSE AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE AT A LATER TIME BECAUSE WE'LL, WE'LL LIKELY DO THOSE AT OUR BUDGET MEETINGS COMING UP BECAUSE WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM COMING UP THAT WE'LL, WE WOULD, UH, PREFER TO DEVOTE MOST OF OUR TIME TO THIS EVENING. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD RIGHT NOW WITH THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. [00:05:02] THANK YOU, IMER. YES, IT IS 7 36 AND WE ARE OUT OF EX A CLOSED SESSION AT THIS TIME, AND THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN FROM THAT CLOSED SECTION. THANK YOU, IRMA. SO WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO, WE DID THE, THE, THE PLEDGES EARLIER, SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE PLEDGES. [a. Staff Recognition] WE'LL GO RIGHT TO THE PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOGNITION. DAVID. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE TIME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETINGS WHERE WE RECOGNIZE STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR, UH, CITY ENGINEER SHANNON HICKS, EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL SHANNON HICKS, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING SERVICES. UH, TONIGHT IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE, UH, MR. WILL GILLILAND. HE'S OUR SENIOR SIGNAL TECHNICIAN AND THE PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. HE'S NOT ONLY THE MOST TENURED EMPLOYEE IN OUR DEPARTMENT, HE'S ALSO THE LONGEST SERVING EMPLOYEE IN THE TOWN. SO WHEN ASKED WHAT MADE HIM WANT TO JOIN OUR ORGANIZATION, WILL SHARED THAT AT THE TIME WHEN HE WAS 20 YEARS OLD, NEWLY MARRIED AND NEEDED BETTER PAYING JOB WITH BENEFITS, ONE OF HIS FRIENDS TOLD HIM THAT HE WORKED HERE AND THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK FOR ADDISON IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. SINCE THAT TIME, HE'S BEEN REPORTING TO THE ADDISON SERVICE CENTER FOR 35 YEARS. SO, IN PREPARING FOR TONIGHT, WE ASKED WILL TO SHARE A PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT HE WAS PROUD OF. HE SHARED THAT HE WAS PROUD OF HIS ROLE AS A SENIOR SIGNAL TECHNICIAN AND HOW HE CONTINUES TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY. HOWEVER, HIS GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT INCLUDES HIS GREAT FAMILY, WHICH INCLUDES HIS WIFE LISA, WHO HAS BEEN MARRIED TO FOR 35 YEARS. AND, UH, THREE AMAZING DAUGHTERS WHO ARE ALL WONDERFUL YOUNG LADIES. MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS ABOUT WILL, BUT HE'S ALSO A COM ACCOMPLISHED, PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN AND SINGER. HE'S PERFORMED ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES AND ABROAD AS A MEMBER OF THE COUNTRY MUSIC HALL OF FAMER, HANK THOMPSON'S, BRAZOS VALLEY BOYS. SO I DID ASK HIM IF HE WOULD SING FOR US TONIGHT, AND HE SAID, NO. SO , NOT ONLY IS HE AN AMAZING FAMILY, MAN AND MUSICIAN, BUT WILL IS A TRUE PROFESSIONAL WHO REPRESENTS THE ADDISON WAY EVERY DAY. WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE ADDISON WAY, HE SHARED THAT THE ADDISON WAY MEANS DOING YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS YOUR COWORKERS, AND DO IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IS REMEMBERED IN A POSITIVE LIGHT. WHAT WILL SAID, I BELIEVE WHAT PEOPLE ALWAYS REMEMBER IS NOT SO MUCH A NAME OR A FACE, OR MAYBE NOT EVEN THE OUTCOME, BUT THEY REMEMBER THE WAY THEY WERE TREATED. SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING WILL AND CONGRATULATING HIM ON 35 YEARS OF SERVICE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, WILL AND THE FAMILY AND AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, . NEXT I WANNA INTRODUCE PAUL SPENCER, OUR CHIEF OF POLICE. UM, REALLY AN AN EXCITING TIME FOR PAUL TO, TO COME UP AND, UM, AND PRESENT SOME AWARDS, UH, UH, FOR PRESERVATION OF LIFE. AND SO I WILL, UH, HAND IT OVER TO CHIEF SPENCER AND HE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND, AND, AND, UH, TO HAND OUT THOSE AWARDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GAINES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. PAUL SPENCER, CHIEF OF POLICE, AND WE'RE THRILLED AND GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY ALLOWING US TO, UH, UH, PRESENT THESE TWO OFFICERS WITH THE AWARD TONIGHT. WE ALWAYS WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE GOOD WORK THAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN DO EVERY DAY TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE. UH, THESE TWO GENTLEMEN ARE, ARE PRIME EXAMPLES OF NOT ONLY, UH, EXCELLENT PROFESSIONAL POLICE, UH, PERFORMANCE AND BEHAVIOR, BUT THEY'RE AN EXAMPLE FOR, FOR MANY OF OUR, UH, OTHER OFFICERS AS WELL. AND THEY EMBODY THE ADDISON WAY. UH, THEY'RE BOTH STILL QUITE NEW TO THE, TO, UH, TO ADDISON. THEY'VE MADE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, WITH THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND SKILL. SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I I'LL READ THE, THE, UM, CITATION, THEN. WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE 'EM THE AWARDS. UH, ON JUNE 15TH, 2023 AT 5:00 AM OFFICERS, MRAZ AND GUTIERREZ RESPONDED TO A HOTEL IN ADDISON IN REFERENCE TO A PERSON, UH, INJURED OFFICERS ARRIVED ON SCENE AND LOCATED A MALE THAT WAS BLEEDING EXTENSIVELY FROM HIS RIGHT ARM, UH, AFTER BEING CUT ON, CUT, UH, BY A LARGE PIECE OF GLASS. THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF BLOOD ON THE GROUND. AND THE SUBJECT'S CLOTHING, UH, WAS SOAKING THROUGH AND IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT HE WAS ACTIVELY BLEEDING. OFFICERS RAZ AND GUTIERREZ PLACED A TOURNIQUET ON THE SUBJECT'S ARM, UH, TO HELP CONTROL THE BLEEDING. ADDISON PARAMEDICS ARRIVED APPROXIMATELY FOUR MINUTES LATER, AND UNFORTUNATELY, OUR CHIEF FIRE CHIEF'S NOT HERE. I CAN RIB HIM ABOUT THAT. WE, WE USUALLY ARRIVE FIRST, UH, MAINLY JUST 'CAUSE OUR SQUAD CARS ARE EASIER TO MANEUVER THROUGH TRAFFIC. UH, BUT WE CARRY A LOT OF, UH, FIRST AID EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OF THAT. UM, [00:10:01] BUT WE WERE THERE FIRST, LIKE WE TYPICALLY ARE THESE OFFICERS APPLIED TOTER, I'M SORRY, THE PARAMEDICS, UH, CONTINUED TO, UH, WORK. THE PATIENT PROVIDE CARE AND, AND ASSISTED OUR TWO OFFICERS, UH, WITH THE TOURNIQUET. ONE OF THE ADDISON PARAMEDICS ACTUALLY, UH, CONTACTED OUR, UH, COMMAND STAFF ABOUT THE ACTIONS OF THE TWO OFFICERS. SO IT, IT IS A TEAM EFFORT. WE GIVE 'EM A, WE GIVE 'EM A HARD TIME, BUT IT IS A TEAM EFFORT. AND THE PARAMEDICS BASICALLY, UH, WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALERTING US SET THE TOURNIQUET. APPLIC ABSOLUTELY AIDED IN THE SAVING OF A LIFE. THE WOUNDS WERE SEVERE. THE PATIENT HAD LOST A LOT OF BLOOD. THE OFFICERS ON SCENE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE, FOR THEIR ACTIONS. ON JUNE 15TH, 2023, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROUD TO AWARD OFFICERS MORERAZ AND GUCCI AS A PRESERVATION OF LIFE AWARD GO. AND THESE SEATS ARE AVAILABLE UP FRONT IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO USE THEM. THANKS. THANK YOU, CHIEF. WE DO, WE DO HAVE A FEW [b. City Manager's Announcements] ANNOUNCEMENTS, SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO THOSE NOW. UH, AND BECAUSE I HAVE A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE, I'LL TRY TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO TAKE AN INTEREST IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR. OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS ARE NEXT, UH, UH, IN A, IN A FEW WEEKS. UH, WE'RE HOLDING A BUDGET WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 3RD AND FOURTH HERE AT THE CONFERENCE CENTER. THE SESSIONS WON'T BE LIVE STREAM, BUT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE WITHIN A WEEK OF THE MEETINGS. AND YOU'RE ALSO WELCOME TO ATTEND THEM IN PERSON POP UP YOGA. THE ADDISON PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS HOSTING A POPUP YOGA EVENT AT ADDISON CIRCLE PARK ON JULY 29TH. THE FREE YOGA SESSION, WHICH IS BEING LED BY ADDISON CIRCLE YOGA STARTS AT NINE 30 AND GAMES WILL BE AVAILABLE FROM NINE TO 11:00 AM. FINALLY, THERE'S A QUARTERLY POLICE TALK UPCOMING. THE ADDISON POLICE WILL BE DISCUSSING CR UH, CREASE, C R A S E, CIVILIAN RESPONSE TO ACTIVE SHOOTER EVENTS AT ITS NEXT QUARTERLY, QUARTERLY POLICE TALK ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 3RD FROM SEVEN TO 8:00 PM IN THE UPSTAIRS CONFERENCE ROOM AT THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB. THE EVENT IS FREE, BUT PLE, PLEASE REGISTER AT THE CLUB'S FRONT DESK. THAT'S ALL FROM ME, MAYOR. THANK YOU, DAVID. OUR NEXT ITEM IS, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO, UH, TO COMMENT TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON AND TOPICS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME, UH, IN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT ITEM, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING AND YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO. AND YOU WOULD HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT. I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO. SO, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT [3. Consent Agenda. All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE, ON OUR CONSENT, WE HAVE ITEMS THREE, A, B, AND C. IS THERE A MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND EILEEN. AND THEN MARLON, YOU SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. CONSENT AGENDA PASSES. WE'LL [a. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) to allow a Religious Institution on 1.28± acres located at the northwest corner of Celestial Road and Winnwood Road (5555 Celestial Road) that is currently zoned Planned Development (PD), through Ordinance No. O91-038. Case 1868-SUP/5555 Celestial Road (White Rock Chapel).] NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND FOUR A IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, S U P TO ALLOW A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION ON ABOUT A 1.28 ACRE ACRES, LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF CELESTIAL ROAD AND WYNWOOD ROAD. 5 5 5 5 CELESTIAL ROAD THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD THROUGH ORDINANCE NUMBER 0 9 1 DASH 0 3 8. CASE, 1 8 6 8 DASH S U SLASH 5 5 5 5 CELESTIAL ROAD, WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. KEN, GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. MARION CITY COUNCIL. KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN. UH, SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A 1.28 ACRE TRACT, UH, COMPRISED OF A COUPLE PRIVATELY OWNED PARCELS, AND IT'S BISECTED, UH, [00:15:01] BY RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF CELESTIAL ROAD AND WYNWOOD ROAD. UH, THE, UH, SITE HISTORY, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY IS EXTENSIVE, UH, DATES BACK, UH, TO 1918, UH, WHERE IT WAS INITIALLY ESTABLISHED AS THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL FOR RELIGIOUS USE, UH, IN 1980. UH, THIS SITE AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ON WYNWOOD AND SOME PROPERTIES ON CELESTIAL, UH, WERE DIS ANNEXED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ANNEXED BY THE TOWN OF ADDISON. UH, THOSE PROPERTIES COLLECTIVELY WERE ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN 1991, UH, WHERE THE PERMITTED USES, UH, PRESCRIBED BY THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, LARGELY REFLECTED RESIDENTIAL USE. UH, IN 20 17, 20 18 TIMEFRAME, UH, THE FORMER CONGREGATION, UH, THAT OPERATED THE AT THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL DISSOLVED, UH, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP, UH, AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS A PERIOD OF DORMANCY WITH OUR RELIGIOUS USE. UH, SO THAT BRINGS US TO 2022, WHERE THIS S U P APPLICATION WAS FILED. SO WITH THAT, GOING BACK TO, UH, 1918, UH, PRIOR TO THIS PERIOD OF DORMANCY, THERE WAS A HUNDRED YEAR HISTORY OF RELIGIOUS USE ON THIS PROPERTY. SO THE PROJECT TIMELINE FOR THIS S U P APPLICATION REALLY DATES BACK TO FEBRUARY OF 2022. AT THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT, UH, HELD A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE WITH STAFF, AND THAT KICKED OFF A RANGE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES, FORMAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION, UH, REVIEW, AND NOW CITY COUNCIL ACTION. SO WHAT I'D SHARE AT A HIGH LEVEL WITH THIS APPLICATION, IT'S PROBABLY INCLUDED MORE DIALOGUE BETWEEN APPLICANT AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS THAN ANYTHING IN THE RECENT HISTORY OF ADDISON. THAT DOESN'T MEAN CONSENSUS WAS ACHIEVED, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DIALOGUE, CERTAINLY. SO THAT INCLUDED THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, ONE COMMUNITY MEETING, AND THEN SEVEN INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, UH, BETWEEN SMALL GROUPS, UH, OF NEIGHBORS, AS WELL AS LEGAL COUNSEL WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL. SO WHY IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIRED IN THIS CASE? IT REALLY GOES BACK TO THE ISSUE OF DORMANCY. SO, UH, AND ULTIMATELY THE ZONING. SO WHEN THIS, UH, PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED BY THE TOWN IN 1980 AND ULTIMATELY ZONED IN 1991, THERE WAS NOT, UH, A PERMITTED USE INCLUDED FOR RELIGIOUS USE ON THIS PROPERTY. SO ESSENTIALLY IT BECAME A NON-CONFORMING USE WITH THAT ACTION, UH, WITH THE DORMANCY THAT BEGAN IN 2018 AND EXTENDED TO THIS DAY, UH, HIGHLIGHTED BY A LACK OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE NEW OWNER, AS WELL AS, UH, NO WATER BILLING DURING THAT PERIOD. UH, THE PREVIOUS USE, UH, WAS DEEMED TO BE ABANDONED. UM, ADDITIONALLY WITH THIS APPLICATION, THERE'S SOME PRO PROS CHANGES IN CONDITIONS, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, ONE MINOR SITE IMPROVEMENT, UH, THE INCLUSION OF A PAVILION, UH, ADDING THAT STRUCTURE TO THE SITE, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, SOME MINOR CHANGES TO PROGRAM INTO INCLUDE EDUCATIONAL, UH, HISTORICAL EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING. SO WITH THESE SS E P CONDITIONS, WHAT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT IS THEY PROVIDE FAR MORE PROTECTION, UH, TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROVIDES FAR MORE REGULATION OF THIS PROPERTY THAN WHAT EXISTED UNDER THE PREVIOUS USE OF THIS SITE. UH, WITH THAT PREVIOUS USE, THINGS SUCH AS OPERATING HOURS RESTRICTIONS ON THE TYPES OF EVENTS, THOSE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE AT THAT TIME AND WOULD NOT HAVE APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY. SO WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UM, I'M GOING TO FIRST ADDRESS THE, UH, CONDITIONS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDED BY P AND Z. AND THEN AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT COMPONENT OF THE PRESENTATION, I WILL ADDRESS CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THROUGH FURTHER NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT SINCE THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. SO WITH REGARDS TO USE, UH, THE PROPOSED USE IS RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION. SO THIS WOULD BE A PLACE OF WORSHIP, UH, THAT ALLOWS FOR THINGS SUCH AS WORSHIP SERVICE, BIBLE STUDY, UH, RELIGIOUS FUNCTIONS AND EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND FUNERALS, LIMITED TO 12 PER YEAR. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A REQUESTED HISTORICAL EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT RELATED TO THE UNIQUE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY, UH, THAT RELATES TO THIS SITE. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN REALLY INCLUDES, UH, MINOR CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE SITE, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, RELATING TO LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE PROPOSED 600 SQUARE FOOT OPEN PAVILION, UH, MINOR IMPROVEMENTS TO [00:20:01] THE PARKING LOT TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, REQUIRED A D A AND HANDICAP PARKING FACILITIES. BUT THE EXISTING PARKING CONDITION, THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE TREATMENT THAT IS, UH, DUE TO REMAIN, UH, DUE TO PREFERENCE FROM BOTH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT. UH, IT'S ALSO ONE THING I WANT TO CLARIFY THERE. IT WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL INTERIOR FLOOR AREA PROPOSED WITH THIS REQUEST. THE EXISTING BUILDINGS WILL REMAIN AS THEY ARE THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN. UH, REALLY PRI FOCUSES ON THE WORSHIP HALL. SO THAT'S THE LARGER 1900 SQUARE FOOT, UH, BUILDING IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE SITE. UH, THAT WOULD BE WHERE WORSHIP SERVICE, UH, WOULD BE HELD. UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, SEATING, UH, FOR 54 OCCUPANTS, UH, WITH OPEN SEATING AND REALLY NO INTERIOR CHANGES OUTSIDE OF IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, RESTROOMS AND THEN NO CHANGES, UH, TO THE SECOND BUILDING. UH, THE FELLOWSHIP HALL, UH, WHICH WAS UPDATED MOST RECENTLY IN 2009, UH, THROUGH PARTNERSHIP WITH U D R, UH, THE PAVILION WOULD ADD 600 SQUARE FEET OF EXTERIOR FLOOR AREA, JUST PROVIDING A COVERED OPEN PAVILION. SO THE PARKING, UH, CONDITION THAT IS PROPOSED WOULD INCLUDE A MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM OF 18 PARKING SPACES TO INCLUDE HANDICAP PARKING SPACES AND ONE LOADING ZONE. THIS WOULD COMPLY WITH THE MOST TYPICAL PARKING RATIO THAT APPLIES TO RELIGIOUS LAND USES, WHICH IS ONE SPACE PER THREE SEATS IN THE MAIN WORSHIP HALL. UH, THE MOST DRAMATIC CHANGE TO THE SITE, AND I WOULD SAY IMPROVEMENT IS REFLECTED IN THE PROPOSED SITE LANDSCAPE. UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD STILL PRESERVE AN ABUNDANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPE, ALLOWING FOR 72% OF THE SITE TO REMAIN LANDSCAPE AREA, BUT WOULD ALSO ADD 72 TREES TO THE SITE PROVIDING FOR SIGNIFICANT SCREENING FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. ONE CONDITION, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SOUGHT RELIEF ON IS THE, UH, LANDSCAPE EDGE AT CELESTIAL, BECAUSE A PORTION OF THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE USED AS PARKING, UH, NEITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND ENLARGING THAT BUFFER AND INSTEAD JUST PLANTING NEW PLANTINGS WITHIN THAT BUFFER TO SCREEN THE LOT. SO, UH, WITH THE EXTERIOR FACADES, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, MINOR CHANGES TO THE ENTRYWAY AND UPDATES TO THE ENTRYWAY OF THE WORSHIP HALL. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE ADDITION OF THE, UH, PROPOSED PAVILION AT ITS MAXIMUM HEIGHT, THE PAVILION WOULD BE 17 FEET TALL. SO, UH, WITH THIS REQUEST, OBVIOUSLY A, A SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT OF IT WAS THE SS U P CONDITIONS, UH, WHICH I NOTED EARLIER. THIS PROVIDES FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF ENFORCEMENT CRITERIA AND OPERATIONAL NEW STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY, UH, TO THIS PROPOSED USE AND THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT IN, UH, COLLABORATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS. ALL HIGHLIGHTS THAT CONSENSUS, ONCE AGAIN, WAS NOT AGREED ON TO ON ALL CONDITIONS, BUT MANY OF THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED AND DISCUSSED HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THE APPLICATION. UH, MOST NOTABLY, UH, I'LL START WITH USE, UH, AND PLAN COMPLIANCE. SO WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT ONLY DOES IT VERY STRICTLY DEFINE WHAT A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION USE IS ESSENTIALLY A PLACE OF WORSHIP, BUT ALSO VERY CLEARLY DEFINES AND VERY, UH, BROADLY DEFINES BY LISTING A SIGNIFICANT RANGE OF USES. UH, REALLY ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A PLACE OF WORSHIP THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED ON THIS PROPERTY. SO ANYTHING RELATED TO COMMERCIAL USE TO INCLUDE EVENT CENTERS IS EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED THROUGH THESE S E P CONDITIONS. IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR REQUIREMENTS BY WHICH THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THIS IS TRULY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, UH, SHOWING TAX EXEMPT STATUS, HAVING A, UH, QUALIFIED, UM, UH, PRACTITIONER AND FAITH LEADER INSTALLED, UH, ON THE PROPERTY IS A REQUIREMENT OF THESE CONDITIONS. AND THEN ALSO, UH, IT ASKS THAT THOSE SS U P CONDITIONS IF APPROVED, ARE POSTED AND AVAILABLE AND VIEWABLE ON THE PROPERTY AND PROVIDED TO OTHER USERS. FINALLY, UH, AS I NOTED, THERE'S A RANGE OF PLANS, A SITE PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, FLOOR PLAN, AND FACADE PLAN THAT IS INCLUDED IN, IN THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH BEFORE, UH, UH, ATTAINING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SO NEXT I WANT TO COVER HOURS OF OPERATION. THIS WAS, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, MOST SUBSTANTIAL COMPONENTS OF DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO LIMIT USE FROM 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A [00:25:01] WEEK, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LIMITED USE PRIOR TO THAT TIME PERIOD AND AFTER THAT TIME PERIOD IN THE EVENING FOR BIBLE STUDY OF LESS THAN 10 PEOPLE. UH, AND ALSO WITH THAT BIBLE STUDY OCCURRING, UH, WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, IT DOES ALSO ADDRESS THEIR DESIRED HISTORICAL EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING, LIMITING THAT TO ONCE MONTHLY, UH, DURING REGULAR HOURS OF OPERATION. AND THEN FINALLY, A, A HUGE COMPONENT OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS A CONCEPT WE'LL CALL OTHER RELIGIOUS FUNCTIONS. SO THAT INCLUDES WEDDINGS, FUNERALS, MEMORIAL CEREMONIES, BAPTISMS OUT OF, UH, NORMAL WORSHIP SERVICE. SO THOSE ARE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 12 PER CALENDAR YEAR, AND NO MORE THAN FOUR WEDDINGS WITHIN THAT CALENDAR YEAR COULD OCCUR. AND THERE'S LIMITATIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY ON ALCOHOL USE, SPECIFICALLY THAT ALCOHOL CAN ONLY BE, UH, USED ON THE PROPERTY, UH, AS PART OF A FORMAL RELIGIOUS CEREMONY. SO, PARKING, LIGHTING AND NOISE, UH, PARKING, UH, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS, YOU CANNOT PARK ON STREET WITH NO EXCEPTIONS. THAT CONDITION IS CARRIED FORWARD WITH THIS SS U P. UH, IT ALSO DEFINED A PARKING RATIO AND THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES ALLOWED, UH, BUT IT ALSO THEN PROHIBITED, UM, UH, PARKING CONSIDERATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE OCCUPANTS TO ENJOY THE SITE, SUCH AS USING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES OR BUSES, UH, REGULARLY TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE ON SITE. THE USE OF VALET OPERATIONS, UH, NONE OF THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED. UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH THIS, UH, THE TOWN AND THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS ALSO AGREED TO APPLY NOISE REGULATIONS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE TOWN'S BASE ZONING ORDINANCE CURRENTLY. SO, SITE OCCUPANCY AND MAINTENANCE, UH, PROPERTY OCCUPANCY, AND WE'LL DIVE INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IS LIMITED TO NUMBERS WELL BELOW WHAT WE TYPICALLY APPLY TO DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S THE FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE. BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE CONDITION HERE, SPECIFICALLY THE PARKING SUPPLY PROVIDED ON SITE AND THE INABILITY TO PARK ON STREET, UH, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO LIMIT, UH, PROPERTY OCCUPANCY, WHICH THE APPLICANT DID AGREE TO. ALSO, NO, OUTSIDE, UH, OUTSIDE STORAGE IS PROHIBITED, SO THINGS LIKE STORING EQUIPMENT OR RUBBISH, UH, WOULD BE PROHIBITED ON THIS SITE. AND THEN ALSO THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO RESTRICT UNLAWFUL ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. THEY COULDN'T ALLOW, UH, PEOPLE TO USE IT FOR A PARKING LOT FOR OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE OFFSITE. SO THAT IS ALL PROHIBITED. UM, SO NOW I WANT TO TOUCH ON THE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IN MAY. SO THERE WERE A SERIES OF MEETINGS TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT OCCURRED ON JULY 6TH, BUT, UH, ALSO SEVERAL MEETINGS BETWEEN THE, UH, APPLICANT NEIGHBORS AND THE TWO, UH, LEGAL ADVISORS THAT HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED BY EACH PARTY. SO, UH, MUCH OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORS REQUESTED IN THAT DIALOGUE WAS SUPPORTED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT NOT EVERYTHING. ALSO, THERE WERE SOME CONDITIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED THAT WERE GOING TO BE, UH, VERY CHALLENGING FOR THE TOWN TO ENFORCE, AND THUS THE TOWN REQUESTED THAT THOSE CONDITIONS NOT BE INCLUDED. WHAT WAS INCLUDED, UH, INCLUDES A PROHIBITION ON OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT TARGET, UM, FORMERLY INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS MENTALLY ILL OR CURRENT, OR FORMER DRUG ADDICTS OR ALCOHOLICS ALSO, UM, PREVIOUSLY THE S E P CONDITIONS HAD A, HAD, UM, A COMPONENT OF THE, UM, RELIGIOUS USE CONFIRMATION WHERE IT ALLOWED ONE OR THE OTHER COMPONENT THAT WAS ELIMINATED TO INCLUDE BOTH. SO THAT INCLUDES, UH, CONFIRMING TAX EXEMPT STATUS AS A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION UNDER THE TEXAS TAX CODE, AS WELL AS INSTALLING THAT QUALIFIED FAITH LEADER, UH, ON THE PROPERTY. THE NEXT CONDITION WOULD BE THE PROHIBITION ON THE OWNER, ALLOWING ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION OUTSIDE OF RELIGIOUS SERVICES. THAT WAS A STRENGTHENING OF THE EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, SS E P AND THEN ALSO LIMITING SITE OCCUPANCY. THIS WAS THE MOST DISCUSSED ISSUE TO 54 OCCUPANTS IN THE WORSHIP HALL FOR, UH, NORMAL RELIGIOUS SERVICES OR THE OTHER, UH, RELIGIOUS FUNCTIONS. SO WEDDINGS, UH, AND THEN ALLOWING 18 OCCUPANTS IN THE FELLOWSHIP HALL DURING THAT TIME. ONLY IF THERE IS CONCURRENT PROGRAMMING, IF THERE'S NO CONCURRENT PROGRAMMING FOR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, UH, COMPONENTS, THE LIMITATION OF OCCUPANCY WOULD BE 54 OCCUPANTS. [00:30:01] ALSO, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO LIMIT, UH, SITE OCCUPANCY FOR THE ONCE MONTHLY EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING TO 90 OCCUPANTS, AND THEY ALSO AGREED TO LIMITING PARKING TO A MAXIMUM OF 18 SPACES. THE LAST COMPONENT OF THIS NEGOTIATED CHANGE WAS INCLUSION OF LANGUAGE ADDRESSING CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY LANGUAGE THAT ADDRESSES THE TOWN'S ABILITY TO REVOKE THE SS U P IF THERE ARE CODE VIOLATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE. AND THEN ALSO REQUIRING, UH, AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO THIS A FIVE, FIVE-YEAR PERIOD BY WHICH THEY DO NOT SEEK TO AMEND OR APPLY FOR A NEW S E P FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR PURPOSES THAT WOULD EXPAND THE USE, ADD A, UH, NON-RELIGIOUS USE OR EXPAND BUILDINGS ON THE SITE. SO THAT WAS A, UH, SIGNIFICANT COMPROMISE FROM THE APPLICANT SINCE THE PACKET WAS POSTED FOR THIS MEETING. SO SINCE THURSDAY, THERE WAS, UH, A FEW ADDITIONAL CHANGES NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT. THESE INCLUDE LIMITING THAT PROVISION FOR CONCURRENT SERVICES, WHERE THE OCCUPANCY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO INCREASE FROM 54 TO 72 FOR THE PROPERTY TO NO MORE THAN BI-MONTHLY OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT IT COULD NOT OCCUR EVERY MONTH. IT COULD OCCUR EVERY OTHER MONTH IF THE APPLICANT DESIRED AND JUSTIFIED IT. AND THEN LASTLY, UH, WHERE THE, UH, EDU HISTORICAL EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING INCLUDES BUS SERVICE TO TRANSFER SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN TO THE PROPERTY. IF THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO SCHOOL BUSES USED IN A SINGLE OCCURRENCE, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONTACT, UH, AND NOTIFY, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MYSELF, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THE TOWN WAS NOTIFIED OF THAT CONDITION. SO, UH, WITH THIS APPLICATION, UH, TOWN, UH, CONDUCTED, UM, UH, PROVIDED PUBLIC NOTICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN AND STATE REQUIREMENTS. UH, SO THAT INCLUDED, UH, NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, SO TO DATE, UH, WE SENT OUT 15 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE IN SUPPORT. THIS WAS A RECENT CHANGE, UH, FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY IN OPPOSITION AND SEVEN RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. ADDITIONALLY, WE RECEIVED 23 ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, UH, EMAILS FROM CONCERNED RESIDENTS. UH, SIX OF THOSE COMMUNICATED SUPPORT 15 WERE AGAINST AND TWO WERE NEUTRAL. UM, SO BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF THE OPPOSITION FROM PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT 200 FEET BOUNDARY, THIS APPLICATION DOES REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY, UH, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO SIX VOTES OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION. AT THE MAY PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION DID VOTE SEVEN TO ZERO TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE USE AND SITE CONDITIONS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR KEN, MARK, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. UM, KEN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, CAN, CAN PEOPLE USE THIS FOR PUBLIC PARKING? NO. AND, AND DO WE KNOW, UM, WHAT, WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO PROHIBIT THAT OR CAUSE PEOPLE NOT TO DO THAT? SO ULTIMATELY IT'S AN OBLIGATION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, SO IF THEY FAIL TO COMPLY WITH THAT OBLIGATION, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE S U P THAT REQUIRES THEM TO SECURE THE PROPERTY. SO IF THEY ARE NOT PROPERLY SECURING THE PROPERTY, THAT COULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE SS U P. BUT LIKE ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROHIBIT, UM, UNLAWFUL ENTRY OF THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. AND, AND, UM, THIS IS SO CLOSE TO, TO CELESTIAL PARK. UM, IF, IF PEOPLE WERE VISITORS WERE TO USE THIS AS A PARKING PLACE FOR CELESTIAL PARK, WOULD, WOULD WE ENCOURAGE, UM, UH, PEOPLE TO CALL THE POLICE? OR, OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WOULD HAPPEN IN THAT SITUATION? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS? NO, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE FROM, BUT THEY, THEY DRIVE IN BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT SOME EVENT THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA HOST AT CELESTIAL PARK AND, AND THEY USE THE CHURCH PARKING FOR, FOR THEIR OWN LITTLE EVENT THAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AT OUR PARK. RIGHT. SO I WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE THEM TO CALL THE POLICE 'CAUSE THIS WOULD BE A ZONING VIOLATION. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTACT [00:35:01] CODE ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KEN? I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. OKAY, DARREN. SO WHAT, UH, IS, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE S U P PASSES AND THE APPLICANT, YOU TOUCH IT AND IT GOES OFF AND THE APPLICANT BUYS A A NEIGHBORING HOUSE. UM, CAN THIS SS U P BE A APPLIED TO THAT PROPERTY? NO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH WITH THIS PROPERTY. THEY WOULD'VE TO APPLY FOR AN S E P FOR THAT PROPERTY. OKAY. SO IN THE PRIOR OPERATION, BEFORE THE, THE PREVIOUS CHURCH CEASED TO OPERATE, UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS, WHAT KIND OF CONTAINMENT OF ACTIVITY DID THEY HAVE THAT CHURCH HAVE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE OR FROM THE CHURCH'S PERSPECTIVE? TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WOULD GOVERN HOW MANY OCCUPANTS, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES, HOW MANY ACTIVITIES, HOW THEY COULD OPERATE, WHAT HOURS, ET CETERA? RIGHT. SO IT WAS, IT WAS A NON-CONFORMING USE. IT DID NOT HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, UH, A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION USE. SO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE WOULD NOT APPLY. WHAT WOULD'VE APPLIED IS THE TOWN'S, UH, EXISTING TYPICAL CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, REQUIREMENTS. UH, BUT MOST NOTABLY, UH, PARKING WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO ON STREET ONLY. SO THEY COULD NOT PARK, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, OFF STREET ONLY. THEY COULD NOT PARK ON STREET. AND THE TOWN'S CURRENT NOISE REGULATIONS WOULD APPLY WITH REGARDS TO OCCUPANCY. THE BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE WOULD APPLY, UH, WHICH WOULD, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, BE A, AND ALLOW A MUCH HIGHER OCCUPANCY THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THIS PROPOSED SS U P. THERE WOULD BE NO REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO OPERATING HOURS OR THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT COULD OCCUR, UH, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE WORSHIP EVENTS. SO A LOT OF THE CONSTRAINTS IN THIS SS U P, MOST OF THEM WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT BE, WERE NOT PRESENT. THEY COULD OPERATE ALMOST, UH, FULL, FULL SPEED. YES. OKAY. UM, SO IF UNDER THIS SS U P, SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS ARE 54 OCCUPANTS, UH, AT A GIVEN EVENT, UM, DOES THAT APPLY TO THE, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES? DO THEY HAVE A LIMITATION OF OCCUPANCY? THEY DO NOT. WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY EXCEED OCCUPANCY OR IF THEY HAVE 90 PEOPLE AT A PARTY? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGULATIONS THAT WOULD APPLY TO PARTY SIZE AT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. UM, SO IF THEY HAVE, COULD YOU GO TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE OTHER, THE 12 OTHER TYPES OF, UH, ACTIVITIES, WEDDINGS, FUNERALS, AND SO, SO IF THERE'S A WEDDING AT THIS PROPERTY, AND IT'S AN OUTDOOR WEDDING, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE INSIDE, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE ONE DAY OF THE YEAR, THE ONE WEEK OF THE YEAR THAT HAS COMFORTABLE TEMPERATURES OUTSIDE. AND SO THEY'RE OUTSIDE. UM, WHAT'S THE MAX OCCUPANCY THAT THEY COULD HAVE AT THAT WEDDING? SO THE WAY THE S E P HAS BEEN DRAFTED AND CONTINUES TO BE DRAFTED IS THE OCCUPANCY APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO A, WHETHER THEY'RE INSIDE OR OUTSIDE. SO THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY FOR THAT CIRCUMSTANCE FOR A SINGLE PROGRAM WOULD BE 54. SO I'M CURIOUS ON, ON THE SEATING FIRE CODE FOR THE LARGER BUILDING, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THAT SEAT, WHAT'S THE OCCUPANCY FOR FIRE CODE? IF THEY SET THE ROOM UP LIKE THIS, JUST CHAIRS, IT'D BE 150. A LOT OF TIMES CHURCHES WOULD HAVE TABLES. MAYBE THEY'RE DOING A, A BANQUET OR SOMETHING. IT'S, WHAT'S THAT, OCCUPANCY 80. SO IF THEY HAVE CHAIRS LIKE THIS IN THERE, THEY COULD HAVE 150 PEOPLE IN THERE. YES. BOTH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND FIRE MARSHAL CONFIRMED UNDER FIRE CODE. AND WITH THIS S U P, THEY CAN'T DO THAT. THAT IS CORRECT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. OKAY. UM, SO SADLY THERE'S SOME HOMELESS PROBLEMS SOMETIMES IN ALL AREAS. UM, IF HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE ON THE PROPERTY, WHAT, YOU MIGHT'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION, MONA, I MIGHT'VE MISSED IT, BUT IF IT WAS ASKED IF THERE'S HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY, WHAT'S TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT? SO THERE'S [00:40:01] A PROVISION IN THE S E P WHERE THEY HAVE, AND IT'D BE THE SAME RESPONSE I I PROVIDED TO COUNCIL MEMBER WILLISON, BUT THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE SS E P WHERE THEY HAVE TO SECURE THEIR PROPERTY. SO THEY HAVE TO, UH, MANAGE HOMELESS ISSUES. YES. UM, NOISE REGULATION. I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT ON THERE, BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE NOISE REGULATION WAS, UM, NO AMPLIFICATION. SO THERE'S, UH, I CAN, I CAN READ IT OUT OF THE SS E P TO, TO CLARIFY WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS. IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT. THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED. SO I WANT TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED. SO UNDER, UH, SECTION 11 A ONE, UH, THE VERY FIRST, UH, STATEMENT IS NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND SHALL BE ALLOWED. DOES THAT INCLUDE LIKE A BULLHORN? YES. SO WHAT IF THERE'S A STEREO OUT THERE OR JAMBOX? THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO CALL 'EM. SO FURTHER IN THAT SECTION THERE IS, UH, LANGUAGE THAT ALSO, UH, STATES THAT IT APPLIES TO STEREOS AND THINK AND MUSIC PRODUCING, UH, EQUIPMENT. SO YES, THAT WOULD APPLY AS WELL. OKAY. AND THERE, IS THERE SOME, SO THE NOISE CONSTRAINTS IS, IS THAT A, A, UH, WITH LIKE, UM, THE DECIBELS AT SOME PER SOME NUMBER OF FEET, IS THAT A TOWN, UH, UH, DEFINITION OR IS THAT IN HERE? SO THE, THE DEFINITION WE USED WAS, UH, THE TOWN'S CURRENT DEFINITION. WE DO NOT CURRENTLY MEASURE DECIBELS, UH, AS PART OF OUR, UH, NOISE REGULATION. UH, THE, THE STANDARD IS BASICALLY, UH, IT PROVIDES A STANDARD WHERE, UM, SUCH ACTIVITY, UH, WHERE IT'S CLEARLY AUDIBLE MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM THE DEVICE. SO IF IT'S AUDIBLE MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM THE DEVICE, THEN IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE NOISE, UH, PROHIBITIONS IN THIS SS E P. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON SLIDE 16. ON SLIDE 16, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, DARREN? I, HE'S GOING TO SLIDE 16. I DID. UM, SO THE PUBLIC NOTICE, UH, WITHIN THE 200 FEET WHEN WAS, SO THIS, UH, SS U P HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT OF VERSIONS AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REVISIONS TO IT. UH, MOSTLY IMPROVING THE CON THE CONSTRAINTS FOR COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THIS, UM, SURVEY READ REDONE AFTER THE CURRENT S U P OR OUR CURRENT VERSION? IT WAS NOT. UM, SO OUR REGULATIONS AND, AND STATE LAW REQUIRES IT TO BE DONE, UH, 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WE ALSO PROVIDE NEWSPAPER NOTICE, UH, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UM, SO IT WOULD BE ATYPICAL, UM, FOR THAT TO BE REDONE. I WOULD SAY THOUGH THAT, UH, RESIDENTS, UH, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT, UH, FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WHICH YOU SEE THAT, THAT HAS OCCURRED. UM, SO WE DO ACCOUNT FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AS WELL AS, UH, RESIDENTS WHO MAY WANT TO MODIFY THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED. OKAY. IS THE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK UPDATED? YES. SO WHAT'S REFLECTED HERE IS WRITTEN FEEDBACK THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED UP TO THIS AFTERNOON, AND I GUESS THAT FOR THAT MATTER, NOTICE NOTICED RECIPIENTS AND FOR AGAINST THOSE THAT ARE UPDATED ALSO. YES, YOU DID MENTION THAT. YES. A QUESTION ON ANOTHER DETAIL. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, GOOD QUESTIONS IN THE, THE S U P I THINK IS, IS, IS, UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND IT. SO IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE FAIRLY WELL WRITTEN FOR COMMON PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF. UM, THE, THE SCHOOL BUSES, SO IT SAYS WHEN THERE'S MORE THAN TWO SCHOOL BUSES, WHY WOULD THERE BE MORE THAN TWO SCHOOL BUSES? THAT WOULD BE, UH, A QUESTION BEST ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT. OKAY. AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT ALSO. OKAY. THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KEN? GQ? THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, KEN. KEN, IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED THAT THE APPLICANT WAS NOT ALLOWED TO REFURBISH THE INSIDE OF THE CHURCH, UH, BECAUSE THEIR DRIVEWAY, UH, DID NOT MEET CODE FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ITS TRUCKS. IS THAT TRUE? UH, THAT IS REFERENCING DIALOGUE THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN FORMER STAFF MEMBERS AND THE APPLICANT. UH, I CAN'T [00:45:01] CONFIRM THE NATURE OF THAT DIALOGUE. WHAT I WOULD FOCUS ON IS THE ACTION THAT'S OCCURRED, UH, IN MY TENURE HERE. AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION THOROUGHLY AND IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE, UH, FIRE SAFETY SYSTEMS TO INCLUDE FIRE ACCESS THAT HAS BEEN ACCOMMODATED WITH THIS PLAN. IS THE INTENT INTENDED USE BY THE APPLICANT A CULTURAL CENTER? THE INTENDED USE IS DEFINED IN THE S U P, AND IT'S DEFINED AS A PLACE OF WORSHIP WITH, UH, ONCE MONTHLY, UH, HISTORICAL PROGRAMMING. AND I ASK THAT BECAUSE LIKE DARREN, HE'S BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN AS, AS HAS THE WHOLE COUNCIL BEEN, UH, BEING ASKED THESE, UH, FROM, FROM A RESIDENCE. UH, SO THE CULTURAL CENTER HAS BEEN, UH, OR THIS, UM, INTENDED USE IS NOT CONSIDERED A CULTURAL CENTER? NO. IT, IT'S INTENDED AS THE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION USE, WHICH IS A PLACE OF WORSHIP. THANK YOU. SO, UH, HOW WILL THE PASSAGE OF THIS PROPOSED SS U P BENEFIT OUR TOWN AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THERE IS NO TAXABLE INCOME TO THE TOWN? UH, I, I THINK I'D, I'D GO BACK TO THE EARLY PART OF MY PRESENTATION AND I'D SPEAK TO THE HISTORY OF THE SITE. UM, SO, UM, THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THERE'S A HUNDRED YEAR HISTORY OF WORSHIP USE ON THE SITE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CREEK, UH, THAT BEGAN, UH, NOT LONG AFTER THE CIVIL WAR AND THE HISTORY OF, UH, WORSHIP, UH, IN THAT AREA, UH, DATES BACK TO 1884. SO, UH, ADDISON IS A, A VERY YOUNG COMMUNITY, UH, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT CONCEPTS LIKE HISTORIC PRESERVATION. SO THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT DATE BACK 100 YEARS. SO THAT, UH, IS THAT HISTORY. THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE AND USE OF THIS SITE IS A WORSHIP USE IS A, A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE STORY OF ADDISON. I I, I AGREE. WILL ADDITIONAL BUILDING DORMS BE PERMITTED ON THE SITE IF THE PROPOSED S U P IS APPROVED? NO, THE SS U P LIMITS THEM TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, AND IT LIMITS THE USE OF THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, TO, UH, WORSHIP USE. IT ALLOWS FOR A PAVILION WHICH COULD NOT BE USED FOR DORMITORY USE. AND IT ALSO NOW INCLUDES A PROVISION, UH, BY WHICH THEY COULD NOT SEEK TO AMEND THE S E P TO ADD DORMITORY USE OR ANY OTHER USE. UH, UH, FOR FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEARS, YES, SIR. DID THE TOWN OF ADDISON MAKE PROMISES TO THE ORIGINAL HOME BUYERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE CHURCH WOULD ALWAYS BE A HISTORICAL LANDMARK AND MINIMALLY ACTIVE? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PROMISES, BUT GIVEN THAT I'VE NOT BEEN, UH, HERE IN ADDISON FOR A LONG DURATION, UH, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT, UH, REGARDLESS. UH, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY, IF THOSE PROMISES WERE MADE, I WOULD GO BACK TO MY STATEMENTS AS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY REGULATE, UH, AND WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, WHAT WE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY REGULATED, UH, DURING THAT TIME WAS, WAS VERY LITTLE. SO, UH, IF THOSE PROMISES WERE MADE THERE, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NO REGULATION BY WHICH TO BACK THEM UP. CAN THIS PROPERTY UNDER THE PROPOSED S U P BE USED FOR BE USED AS A FOR-PROFIT COMMERCIAL EVENT BUSINESS? NO. THAT, AND THAT TERM IS, UH, A COMMERCIAL EVENT CENTER IS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED IN THE S E P CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I BELIEVE IT WAS ANSWERED. UM, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPECIFIC AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT, OR ARE THOSE INTERCHANGEABLE? THEY'RE INTERCHANGEABLE. THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE DIFFERENT TERMS THAT MUNICIPALITIES USE TO ACHIEVE THE, THE SAME THING. THERE ARE THREE ATTRACTIVE PARKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW DOES THE, A APPLICANT INTEND TO KEEP THIS INVITING OPEN CHURCH PARK-LIKE SPACE FROM BEING CASUALLY USED AS A PUBLIC SPACE BY PEOPLE PASSING BY? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A QUESTION BEST ADDRESSED, UH, WHEN THE APPLICANT PRESENTS, NO, BUT THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO. THEY ARE. AND THE PROVISIONS OF THE PROPOSED [00:50:01] S U P? CORRECT. IF APPROVED, WILL THE PASSAGE OF THIS S U P CAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE A NOISY, UH, BE NOISY AND UNSAFE? SO CHURCHES BY THEIR NATURE ARE NOT UNSAFE. UM, AND THE S U P CONDITIONS, UH, THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE PROVIDE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL REGULATORY, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CHURCH TO COMPLY WITH AS WELL AS ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS FOR THE TOWN. SO, NO. IS IT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TOWN TO ENSURE THE TITLE FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER PROPERTY BE CLEAR BEFORE THEY ADVANCE THROUGH OUR PERMITTING PROCESS? NO. THE, SO, UM, DEEDED RESTRICTIONS, TITLE RESEARCH, THOSE ARE, UH, PRIVATE RESTRICTIONS. THE TOWN IS NOT PARTY TO THAT. THE TOWN, UH, DOES NOT HAVE ANY CAPACITY OR LEGAL CAPACITY TO, UM, UH, TRY TO INTERPRET THOSE RESTRICTIONS. THOSE ARE APPLY TO THE PARTIES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS WHICH ARE PRIVATE. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE TOWN. DOES THE TOWN REGULATE EVALUATE THE CRIMINAL RECORDS OF THE LABOR FORCE FOR VENDORS SLASH CONTRACTORS APPLYING FOR PUBLIC PERMITS IN OUR TOWN FOR PERMITS FOR TOWN WORK OR ENGAGEMENT ON TOWN WORK? THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD DO THAT WOULD BE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT. BUT FOR TYPICAL PROJECTS LIKE STREETS, UTILITIES, PARKS, WE DO NOT FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, WE DO NO VETTING OF, UH, CONTRACTORS WHO ARE DOING WORK IN THE TOWN. THANK YOU. GOING BACK TO THE LAYOUT, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO THE DRAWING, BUT THE FACT THAT THE, THERE ARE NO, UH, UH, FIXED PEWS IN THE, IN THE WORSHIP AREA, DOES THAT AFFECT THE, THE, THE, UH, OCCUPANCY IN TERMS OF HOW THE FIRE CODE REGULATES OCCUPANCY? YES. SO IF IT WAS MORE OF A FIXED FURNISHING SET UP SUCH AS TABLES, UM, IT WOULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE. BUT WITH JUST HAVING CHAIRS LIKE THIS ROOM IS SET UP AND LIKE WHAT'S DEPICTED ON THAT PLAN, IT'S LESS RESTRICTIVE. THANK YOU, KEN. MAYOR, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW, NANCY. UH, YES. I'VE HAD, UH, RESIDENTS, UM, VOICE CONCERN OVER THE FUTURE OF THE, UM, THE PRESENCE OF THE PAVILION. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO WHAT PROVISIONS IN THE S U P ADDRESS THE USE AND THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE PAVILION? SO THE, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF THE PAVILION, WHETHER PEOPLE CAN USE IT, UH, OR NOT, BUT ALL OF THE GENERAL, UH, RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY TO THE USE OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY APPLY. SO IT COULDN'T BE PEOPLE OUT ON THE PAVILION AT 7:00 PM OUTSIDE OF THE OPERATING HOURS THAT COULDN'T EXCEED THE OCCUPANCY OF THE SITE AT THE PAVILION. SO EVERYTHING STILL APPLIES. NOISE REGULATIONS APPLY, SO IF THEY'RE TO USE THE PAVILION, IT NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH ALL COMPONENTS OF THE S U P. ONE THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT THE APPLICANT, AS, AS I NOTED, IS, IS ADDING 72 TREES TO THE SITE. THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE A LOT OF SCREENING. IN ADDITION, THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING A LOT OF SHRUBS AND GROUND COVER. SO WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE NOW WILL, WILL NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A AMPLY LANDSCAPE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE STAND HERE BEFORE WE GO? GO BACK TO MARLON. JUST DAN? YES, KEN. UM, MY MICROPHONE WILL WORK HERE. SO KNOWING IF THIS PASSES FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROTECT THE APPLICANT AND THE BUILDING AND THE STRUCTURE, ARE WE SLATED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL POLICE PATROLS? SO THEN PARKING RESTRICTIONS, PARKING VIOLATIONS, TICKETING? SO FORTUNATELY I AM NOT YOUR POLICE CHIEF. UH, I, I FOCUS ON PLANNING. SO WE HAVE A VERY TALENTED POLICE CHIEF THAT I WOULD DEFER TO ON THAT. OKAY, MARLIN? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, KEN, CAN WE TURN BACK TO PAGE EIGHT? AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS SLIDE AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. I'M, I'M LOVING THE THOUGHT OF ALL THESE TREES. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A GREAT UPGRADE IF THIS GETS APPROVED. BUT, UM, ON THE LAST SENTENCE HERE, RELIEF IS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL [00:55:01] PARKING CONDITION ALONG CELESTIAL ROAD. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT RELIEF? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE TYPICALLY DEMAND, WHAT WE'RE NOT DEMANDING? RIGHT. SO TYPICALLY YOU'D BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 20 FOOT BUFFER AT THE EDGE OF A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UH, OR NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. UM, SO TO PRESERVE THAT PARKING. UM, AND BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE LIMITATIONS WITH REGARDS TO UTILITIES IN THAT AREA, THE BEST OPTION TO SCREEN THAT PARKING LOT, UH, WOULD BE TO SIMPLY PLANT TREES IN THAT EXISTING, UH, HISTORIC LANDSCAPE EDGE THAT EXISTS THERE. OKAY. AND, AND DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW, IF IT'S NOT 20 FEET, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW BIG THAT BUFFER IS? UH, BALLPARK I'D, I'D SAY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 12 FEET. OKAY. OKAY. AND, AND, UM, TYPICALLY I'M USED TO A PAVED PARKING LOT WITH STRIPED PARKING. IS, IS THAT PART OF THE RELIEF OR IS THAT NOT? SO, UM, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY IT'S RELIEF. IT WAS A CONDITION PREFERRED BY BOTH PARTIES. WE TYPICALLY WOULD WANT A PAVE A CONCRETE OR ASPHALT PAVED SURFACE. UH, THIS CONDITION ISN'T APPROPRIATE. I THINK IT'S, UM, UH, MORE AESTHETICALLY, UH, ALIGNED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PERMITTING IT TO BE USED. THEY WILL BE, UM, INSTALLING CONCRETE DIVIDERS, UM, TO DELINEATE THE PARKING SPACES. UM, AND THOSE WILL BE FLUSHED WITH THE, THE GROUND, AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO PAVING THE HANDICAP SPACES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I CAN RESPOND, UH, TO DAN'S QUESTION, UH, REGARDING ADDITIONAL POLICE PATROLS, WE WILL NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL POLICE PATROLS FOR THIS CHURCH. WE WILL CONTINUE OUR APPROACH OF NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING WITH PATROLS IN ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'LL CONTINUE TO EMPHASIZE THAT AND INCREASE THOSE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOWN. THAT'S BEEN A FOCUS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, AND THAT'S BEEN A FOCUS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR MANY YEARS. BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL PATROLS FOR THIS CHURCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KEN? I HAVE A FEW MORE, BUT DARREN, IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING UP THE, UH, SS U P ON THE SCREEN? I WANTED TO GO OVER ONE A, SOME OF THE REASONS FOR MY QUESTION IS SO THAT THEY'RE ON PUBLIC RECORD AND IT'S ON RECORDING. SO IF I FORGET WHAT THE ANSWER WAS, I CAN GO BACK TO RECORDING. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE REFER TO THIS AS, UH, OTHER, UM, USAGE. AND EVERYBODY HEARING THIS IS, IS GOOD INFORMATION. WHETHER IT IT FILL, IT CHECKS THE BOX FOR SOME PEOPLE OR NOT. SO IT'S GOOD, GOOD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS DEFINED AS. KEEP GOING. PAGE SIX. THERE YOU GO. I, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD READ IT OFF. IF PEOPLE CAN READ THAT, MAYBE ZOOM IT IN SOME MORE. IT'S THE BIGGEST ON THAT SCREEN OVER THERE. SO I SEE THAT IT'S A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION TO BE DEFINED AS A CHURCH, TEMPLE, SYNAGOGUE, MOSQUE, OR EQUIVALENT PLACE WITH RELIGIOUS, UH, ASSEMBLY AND WORSHIP AND CUSTOMARILY USED ACCESSORY ACTIVITIES, WHICH MAY INCLUDE WEDDINGS, BAPTISMS, FUNERALS, AND SPECIAL OCCASION SPIRITUAL PROGRAMS, OF WHICH THOSE ARE DEFINED. THE WEDDINGS, BAPTIST, THOSE ARE 12 TOTAL A YEAR AND, AND MAX OF FOUR WEDDINGS. AND A, THOSE FOUR WEDDINGS CAN BE ONCE A MONTH, AND THERE'S ONLY TWO GOOD MONTHS IN A YEAR TO HAVE 'EM, JUST MY OPINION. SO, UM, HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, MAY HAVE EXTER, UH, EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES ONCE PER MONTH TO ALLOW PRESENTATIONS AND HOUSING OF HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS RELATED HIS HISTORICAL USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S IN THE S U P. SO FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. UM, SO WAS THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL RESTORATION PLAN, WHICH WAS PUBLISHED IN 2019, UH, SUBMITTED WITH AN APPLICATION, IT WAS NOT SUBMITTED WITH A ZONING APPLICATION OR SS E P APPLICATION. IS [01:00:01] THERE ANY REASON WHY PEOPLE WOULD THINK? SO? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S A SUBMISSION THAT COULD BE MISCONSTRUED AS WE SUBMITTED THIS, OR THEY SUBMITTED THIS WITH AN APPLICATION? IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED, UH, TO STAFF SEVERAL TIMES TO FACILITATE SEVERAL, UM, DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS DATING BACK TO 2019. MOST RECENTLY, IT WAS PROVIDED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021. UM, THAT WAS DURING MY TENURE. WE NEVER DISCUSSED THE CONTENT OF THE DOCUMENT. UH, THEY ALL, THEY PROVIDED A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT AS WELL THAT WAS MORE IN LINE WITH THE SS E P CONDITIONS HERE, NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO THOSE CONDITIONS, BUT IT WAS NEVER ANYTHING I DISCUSSED WITH THEM PRIOR TO IT BECOMING A, UH, A COMMUNITY ISSUE, UH, BACK IN MAY OF THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND SOME MORE, MORE TACTICAL THINGS HERE. SO THE NOTICE HOURS THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE THROUGHOUT THE S U P IS LIKE 48 HOURS NOTICE FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EXTRA BUSES. UM, IS THAT, UM, NOW THOSE WERE HOURS, SO IF YOU SAY DAYS, ESSENTIALLY IT'S TWO DAYS, RIGHT? 48 HOURS. UH, IS THAT TWO BUSINESS DAYS OR IS THAT TO ANY TWO CALENDAR DAYS? UH, I WOULD INTERPRET THAT AS CALENDAR DAYS. OKAY. SO IF IT WAS ON SUN, UH, SATURDAY AND THERE WAS A HOLIDAY ON MONDAY, THEN THE NOTICE WOULD BE SENT AND IT WOULD POSSIBLY NOT BE RECEIVED. I JUST, THE OBVIOUS THAT IT WOULD BE RECEIVED. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER, UH, STAFF WOULD VIEW IT. UH, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT I, I WOULD, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A HYPOTHETICAL YOU NEED TO TAKE TIME OFF TOO. UM, SO THE S U P ALLOWS, UM, FOR OPERATION OF NINE TO SIX EVERY DAY. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CONSTRAINTS, BUT SPECIFICALLY NINE TO SIX. AND THAT WOULD GO TO THE, THE BASE NUMBER OF THE 54 CURRENTLY IN THIS S U P, IS THAT RIGHT? SO THE, THE MAXIMUM SITE OCCUPANCY WOULD BE 54 IF THEY HAVE A SINGLE, UH, PROGRAM ON ANY GIVEN DAY. SO THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, THEY COULD HAVE 54 OCCUPANCY. UP TO 54 OCCUPANCY GETS PROVIDED. IT'S ONE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE HAVING OCCUPANCY IN, UH, SUCH AS MEETINGS OR EDUCATIONAL THINGS, REALLY OTHER RELIGIOUS SERVICES OTHER THAN SUNDAY 54, IT'S LIMITED TO 54. BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THE USE RESTRICTIONS SUBSTANTIALLY LIMITS HOW THEY CAN USE THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY NARROW RANGE. OKAY. AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR AN HOUR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KEN? THANK YOU, KEN. STANDBY NEXT. WE WILL, UM, HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE DON WESSON. FIRST, DR. WESSON, GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO LET ME BEGIN WITH SOME THANKS AND LET ME THANK THE NEIGHBORS WITH WHOM WE HAVE BEEN, UH, WORKING WITH SINCE APRIL OF 2022. SO 15 MONTHS OF INPUT HAS GONE INTO THE SS U P THAT YOU HAVE HEARD. SO THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN, UH, A LONG, UH, INTERACTIVE, UH, RELATIONSHIP. BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE TAKEN TIME TO TALK WITH US PERSONALLY, TO EMAIL ME, TO CALL ME, AND TO REACH OUT IN ANY WAY THAT YOU HAVE THAT INPUT IS REALLY APPRECIATED, AND I THANK YOU. SECONDLY, I THANK THE STAFF WITH WHOM WE'VE WORKED WITH IT, AS KEN HAS MENTIONED FOR, UH, UH, A WHILE. AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND THEIR PATIENCE IN WORKING WITH US. THIRDLY, I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR WHITE ROCK TEAM THAT WE, UH, HAVE PUT TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, TWO OF WHOM ARE HERE WITH US TONIGHT. AND I'LL INTRODUCE, UH, IN A MINUTE. AND THEN LASTLY, I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAVE OUR S U P UH, UH, CONSIDERED. WE'VE, WE'VE WAITED A LONG TIME TO GET TO THIS DAY, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED THAT, UH, THAT'S FINALLY ARRIVED. SO MANY OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW MY FAMILY, IT, IT'S PURCHASED THIS. SO I, I WANNA SPEND A, A, A BIT OF A TIME TALKING ABOUT MY FAMILY. SO LET, LET ME BEGIN WITH ME. I'M A PHYSICIAN BY TRAINING. I SPENT MOST OF MY TIME, UH, AS A, A PHYSICIAN SCIENTIST. I SAW PATIENTS ALONG THE WAY, BUT MOST OF MY WORK HAS BEEN, [01:05:01] UH, IN RESEARCH. AND I AM CURRENTLY ON THE, UH, FACULTY AT THE DELL MEDICAL SCHOOL IN AUSTIN. BUT THEY'VE ALLOWED ME TO OFFICE IN DALLAS BECAUSE THE RESEARCH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MY TEAM HAS SET UP IS HERE IN DALLAS. SO THAT'S WHY I LIVE HERE IN DALLAS. I RETIRED FROM BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE IN, UH, THREE YEARS AGO. AND I AM A CHILDREN'S LEADER WITH, UH, A BIBLE STUDY FELLOWSHIP. MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW ABOUT BIBLE STUDY FELLOWSHIP. UM, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER SINCE 1991. MY WIFE BEAT ME. SHE'S BEEN A MEMBER SINCE 1990. MY SON HAS BEEN A MEMBER SINCE HE WAS IN FOURTH GRADE. SO WE'RE A BIBLE STUDY, FELLOWSHIP, UH, FAMILY. AND I'M ALSO, UH, A SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER AT, UH, OUR CURRENT CHURCH AT CORNERSTONE BAPTIST, UH, IN SOUTH DALLAS. UH, MY WIFE HAS A MASTER OF HEALTHCARE ADMINISTRATION. SHE'S A GRADUATE OF TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY. SHE IS AN ASSISTANT SUPERVISOR FOR THE, UH, BIBLE STUDY, FELLOWSHIP CHILDREN'S SUPERVISOR FOR THE BIBLE STUDY FELLOWSHIP HERE IN, UH, IN DALLAS THAT IS, UH, BASED AT PARK CITIES. SHE'S ALSO A COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER AND A LEADER OF HER GROUP LIFESTYLE, BALANCED HEALTH, UH, UH, INITIATIVE. MY SON, DONALD, UH, WHO'S ALSO HERE TONIGHT, IS A BUSINESS GRADUATE OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY. HE'S ALSO EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH OVER, UH, UH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. HE'S AN OWNER OF SEVERAL BUSINESSES, INCLUDING A CONTRACTING COMPANY AND A CONSULTING COMPANY. AND AS I MENTIONED, HE'S A LONGTIME MEMBER OF, OF BIBLE STUDY FELLOWSHIP AS WELL. AND HE'S THE LEADER OF OUR THURSDAY NIGHT, UH, MEN'S BIBLE STUDY FOR, UH, FOR WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. SO YOU MAY, YOU HEARD A BIT ABOUT THE STORY OF, OF WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. LET ME TELL YOU WHY WE WERE SO MOVED TO PURCHASE IT IN EARLY 2018. OUR SON BROUGHT TO US THE STORY OF THIS HISTORIC CHURCH IN, UH, NORTH TEXAS THAT HAD GONE INTO RECEIVERSHIP AND WAS GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY PURCHASED AND DEMOLISHED. AND THE RICH HISTORY THAT I'M ABOUT TO TELL YOU ABOUT POTENTIALLY, UH, BEING LOST. BUT THERE WERE THREE FACTS ABOUT THAT STORY THAT MOVED MY ENTIRE FAMILY TO WANT TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY. FIRST OF ALL, AT THE END OF SLAVERY IN 18 65, 5, FORMERLY ENSLAVED FAMILIES BONDED TOGETHER TO WORK, TO EARN MONEY, TO BUY LAND FOR A, A CHURCH TO SUPPORT. WHAT WAS THE THEN THE WHITE ROCK UPPER, UPPER WHITE ROCK, UH, FREEDMAN'S TOWN TOOK THEM 19 YEARS. AND FOR ME, THAT IS A CELEBRATION IN AND OF ITSELF. BUT THE SECOND THING IS THEY WENT BACK TO ONE WHO HAD ENSLAVED THEM. SO MANY OF YOU WHO KNOW MIGHT KNOW HISTORY OF SLAVERY, THAT WAS REALLY UNUSUAL FOR A LANDOWNER, A LANDOWNER TO SELL LAND TO FORMER, UH, THE FORMERLY ENSLAVED. IT ALMOST NEVER HAPPENED. THIS WAS A REMARKABLE, UH, EVENT. UH, AND I WOULD SAY IN, IN, IN IN, IN US HISTORY, BUT IT, THE STORY GETS BETTER. HE HELPED THEM TO BUILD THAT CHURCH AND HIS FAMILY ATTENDED CHURCH WITH THEM, AND THEY DID SO FOR A FEW GENERATIONS. THAT'S A STORY THAT WE DECIDED NEEDED TO BE PRESERVED. THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. SO THIS WONDERFUL PROPERTY THEN LED TO US TO FOCUS ON THE TWO MAIN MISSIONS, AND YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IT. ONE IS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IT FUNCTION AS A CHURCH. AND THE SECOND IS TO FOCUS ON THAT HISTORIC LEGACY THAT I'VE JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT, AND BUILD ON THAT, UH, EXPOSING IT NOT ONLY TO SCHOOL CHILDREN, BUT SCHOLARS AND THE LIKE, WHO WERE, WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, UH, IN, IN BUILDING ON THAT. SO, UH, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS IN RECEIVERSHIP, WE HAD TO GO TO, UH, TO COURT, TO, UH, TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE IT. AND AFTER THE COURT INVESTIGATED ALL OF THE HISTORY AND, AND THE PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP AND THE, LIKE, THEY GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, UH, TO PURCHASE THE CHURCH. AND WE DID. SO IN AUGUST OF 2018, SOON AFTER WE PURCHASED THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH, WE HIRED A, A CONSULTANT TO GIVE US SOME IDEAS AS TO WHAT WE MIGHT DO WITH THE PROPERTY. THAT LED TO WHAT MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD HAS BEEN THE, UH, RESTORATION PLAN. ONCE WE SOLVED WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT, WE REALIZED THAT THAT DIDN'T FIT WELL WITH THE TWO MISSIONS I'VE JUST DESCRIBED TO YOU. AND ONCE WE RECEIVED, UH, INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS, WE RECOGNIZED THAT IT JUST DIDN'T FIT, UH, THE MISSION THERE. SO THAT WAS, UH, ABANDONED. [01:10:01] SO WHERE ARE WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, WE PRESENTLY. SO THE S U P THAT'S BEFORE YOU HAS 15 MONTHS OF INPUT THAT WE, THAT, UH, HAS GONE INTO IT. UH, WE'VE HAD, AND, AND KEN HAD REFERRED TO THIS, WE'VE HAD THREE IN-PERSON MEETINGS, UH, WITH, UH, ON SITE WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND ASK US QUESTIONS. THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE JULY 6TH COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE THE NEIGHBORS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. HERE WE'VE HAD SEVEN IN-PERSON OR VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO COME TO A CONSENSUS. AND SO THIS SS U P THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS REFLECTED, UH, I, I IS, UH, IT HAS INCORPORATED ALL OF THAT INPUT, AND YOU'LL HEAR MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT WITH OUR TWO, UH, TEAM MEMBERS WHO WILL COME AFTER ME. SO LET ME NOW INTRODUCE TWO OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS, BOTH OF WHOM ARE WORKING PRO BONO FOR US. 'CAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN THE CAUSE. ROB BALDWIN IS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING EXPERT. YOU'LL HEAR FROM HIM, AND YOU'LL ALSO HEAR FROM OUR ATTORNEY, ANGELA HUNT, UH, OF MUNCH HART KEPT, AND HER LEGAL GROUP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION. GOOD EVENING, YOUR HONOR. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS ROB BALDWIN. I OFFICE AT 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. AND AS, UH, DR. WESTON SAYS, I'M A PLANNING CONSULTANT. I HELP, UH, MY CLIENTS UNDERSTAND AND NAVIGATE CITY APPROVAL PROCESSES. AND THAT'S WHAT MY ROLE IS HERE. I'M OFFICIALLY THE APPLICANT. I FILED THIS CASE IN OCTOBER AND ASSURED WE DIDN'T, UH, THE RESTORATION PLAN WAS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE APPLICATIONS. UM, AND WHEN WE TURNED IT IN, UH, AS YOU'LL, THIS, UH, HUNT WILL TALK LATER, UH, THAT APPLICATION WAS MUCH THINNER THAN IT ENDED UP. UH, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MOVEMENT, UH, IN MAKING THE APPLICATION MORE ROBUST. AND, UH, I THINK, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL ALONG THE WAY. UH, WE'VE AGREED TO ALMOST EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO. IF, IF I, IF YOU TURN ON THE, I, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, MR. SCHMIDT TOOK MOST OF MY THUNDER. HE, I WAS GONNA EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE, BUT THE, THE REQUEST IS WE ARE JUST, UH, TRYING TO TAKE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, RENOVATE 'EM, REOCCUPY 'EM, AND BUILD ONE NEW, UH, PAVILION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THIS IS THE, THE CURRENT SITE TODAY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS, UH, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS OF WHAT IT'S PROPOSED TO DO. AS KEN SAID, WE'RE NOT INCREASING FLOOR AREA AT ALL. WE'RE JUST, UH, RENOVATING THE OUTSIDE OF BOTH BUILDINGS AND ADDING PAVILION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE'S THE, THE SITE PLAN. AGAIN, ADDING A LOT OF PLANTS, A LOT OF TREES, IRRIGATING THE SITE. UH, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, REALLY QUITE STRIKING WHEN IT GETS DONE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE CHAPEL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE HISTORICAL MARKER WILL STAY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OKAY. AGAIN, THIS IS THE PAVILION. IT'S NOT A BIG SPACE, LESS THAN 600, RIGHT? ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET. OPEN SIDED. UM, IT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE USED FOR GATHERING SPACE. AND, AND IT WAS EXPLAINED ALL THE SS U P REQUIREMENTS FULFILL THAT, UH, OR RESPOND TO THAT. SO, I, I, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, SO I'LL KEEP IT UP. UH, WRAP IT UP. UH, FROM AN URBAN PLAINS PERSPECTIVE, CHURCHES BELONG IN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALSO CHURCHES NEED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. AND WE THINK THAT THIS APPLICATION WILL GET US THERE. WE HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT IT. I KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS SOMETHING REALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE NOT REAL KEEN ON THIS IDEA OF, UH, PROVING THE S U P I. I THINK IT IS A, A GOOD REQUEST. UH, I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT IT. AND WE'RE GONNA BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANGELA HUNT. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS ANGELA HUNT. I'M A ZONING AND LAND USE ATTORNEY FOR THE LAW FIRM OF MU HART. UH, OUR ADDRESS IS 500 NORTH ACKER STREET IN DALLAS. UM, IF WE COULD TURN TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE, THE NEXT TITLE PAGE. IF YOU JUST KEEP GOING UNTIL YOU HIT A TITLE PAGE. YEAH, BACK UP. JUST, YEAH. PERFECT. IF YOU'LL GO ONE MORE PAGE FOR ME, PLEASE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO JUST GET A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT FOR WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, WHEN WE BEGAN THIS AND FIRST APPLIED FOR THIS SS U P BACK IN, UH, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. [01:15:01] IT'S LESS THAN A FULL PAGE. THIS IS VERY TYPICAL, UH, OF THE SUVS HERE IN THE TOWN OF ADDISON. UH, TYPICALLY THE, WITH THE SUVS THAT I'VE SEEN, WE FOCUS ON A SITE PLAN THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL. A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, USES WOULD BE REGULATED, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A FEW THINGS LIKE HOURS, LIGHTING, WHERE THE TRASH CAN IS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, WE INCORPORATED THOSE THINGS AND A FEW OTHERS, PARKING HOURS OF OPERATION. UM, BUT THIS WAS TYPICAL OF AN SS U P, UH, THEN WE STARTED GAUGING IN EARNEST WITH THE NEIGHBORS. UH, AND TODAY, IF YOU CAN GO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. THIS IS ALMOST SIX PAGES OF REGULATIONS FOR THIS CHURCH. THIS WILL PROBABLY BE THE MOST REGULATED CHURCH IN TEXAS. UM, BUT THE CHURCH ACCEPTS THAT BECAUSE IT WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, IT WANTS TO BALANCE ITS OPERATIONS, UH, AND IT'S ONGOING USE AND ITS ONGOING HISTORY WITH THE NEEDS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S WHY WE GOT TO THIS POINT. UH, YOU'VE HEARD VERY WELL FROM MR. SCHMIDT ABOUT THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE CONTAINED, THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE S U P. I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CONVERSATION LOOKED LIKE WITH THE NEIGHBORS. IF WE COULD GO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER IS A CHART THAT SHOWS THE CONDITIONS THAT WE WERE REQUESTED, UH, BY THE NEIGHBORS TO COMPLY WITH AND OUR RESPONSE. AND SO WE WERE, UH, DISCUSSING WHERE WE ONLY WANNA BE A CHURCH, BUT THERE WERE CONCERNS. WELL, DO YOU REALLY WANNA BE AN EVENT CENTER THOUGH? IS THIS REALLY A WEDDING CHAPEL? UH, IS THIS, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND WE WERE GIVEN A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, WELL OVER A DOZEN AND A HALF, UH, PROHIBITED USES. AND WE SAID YES TO THIS. WE WILL PROHIBIT THESE USES SO THAT WE CAN COMMIT TO YOU NOT JUST VERBALLY, BUT LEGALLY, AND BE HELD TO THE STANDARD THAT WE WON'T DO THIS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE ARE THE OTHERS. AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE. MR. SCHMIDT WENT THROUGH THEM. BUT THESE WERE THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAD. AND YOU'LL NOTICE ON PARKING, THE KEY TO THE PARKING WAS TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO CAN ACTUALLY COME TO THE SITE. SO WE ONLY HAVE 18 PARKING SPACES, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE ON STREET PARKING. WE CAN'T HAVE ON OR OFF STREET VALETS. WE CAN'T HAVE BUSES COMING TO THE SITE EXCEPT FOR SCHOOL BUSES. AND SO WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO WOULD BE COMING TO THE SITE. AND ALL OF THESE OTHER POINTS TOO, SOUND, NO ALCOHOL, LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION, ET CETERA. THOSE WERE NOT CONTAINED IN THE ORIGINAL S U P REQUEST. NEXT SLIDE. UH, POSTING OF S U P CONDITIONS. NOTICE TO THE TOWN THERE, THAT WAS A NEW REQUEST. I HAD NOT SEEN THAT BEFORE IN MY ZONING EXPERIENCE. BUT NOTIFYING THE TOWN WHEN THERE WERE GOING TO BE CERTAIN TYPES OF RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES OR EVENTS, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORS WANTED THE TOWN TO BE NOTIFIED OF, WE SAID, FINE, WE'LL DO THAT AS WELL. UH, OTHER RELIGIOUS FUNCTIONS, MAKING SURE THAT A CHURCH MEMBER IS ON SITE. SO THIS ISN'T LIKE AN AIRBNB WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOLKS COULD JUST RENT IT. UH, THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE ON SITE TO ENSURE THAT THE STANDARDS ARE MAINTAINED AND THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE TO GO TO IF THERE WERE ANY ISSUES. NEXT, IN THE LIGHTER GREEN HERE, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WERE REQUESTED AND THAT WE COMPROMISED ON. WE COULDN'T MEET ALL THE WAY, BUT WE MET AS CLOSE TO ALL THE WAY AS WE COULD. THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A LIMITATION ON OTHER RELIGIOUS FUNCTIONS. AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS DIDN'T NEED TO BE AN EVENT CENTER. AND SO WE STRICTLY LIMITED THAT TO 12 PER YEAR. THAT'S BAPTISMS, THAT'S WEDDINGS, THAT'S FUNERALS, THAT'S MEMORIAL SERVICES. RESTRICTING THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM WE AGREED TO THAT WITH SOME CAVEATS FOR THE BIBLE STUDY. EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES, LIMITING ANY EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES, UH, ON THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE CHURCH TO ONE WEEKDAY PER MONTH, ONE WEEKDAY PER MONTH. AND WE AGREED TO THAT. UM, WE ASKED THAT IT BE, UH, UNTIL 6:00 PM AND NOT JUST UNTIL 3:00 PM MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY. THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS 50 PEOPLE IN THE CHAPEL AND 20 IN THE FELLOWSHIP HALL ELSEWHERE. THAT WAS NOTICED AT 72 FOR THE WHOLE SITE. WE ORIGINALLY AGREED TO A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF 72 WITH 18 MORE. WE'VE SHRUNK THAT DOWN, UH, JUST RECENTLY IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, DOWN TO 54 PEOPLE TOTAL. AND THEN EVERY OTHER MONTH, YOU CAN HAVE 18 MORE AT AN ALTERNATIVE SERVICE. THAT'S SIMULTANEOUS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, PROOF OF A CHURCH. WE GET IT. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS REALLY A CHURCH. AND SO WE'VE INCORPORATED, UH, ITEMS IN THERE. SO IT'S NOT JUST SAYING IT'S A CHURCH. IT'S GOTTA BE RECOGNIZED, UH, BY THE I R SS, UH, AS A NONPROFIT BY DEC AD AS A TAX EXEMPT RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION FOR THE PROPERTY. [01:20:01] IT HAS TO HAVE AN ORDAINED MINISTER. HE SAID YES TO ALL OF THAT. UM, THERE WERE SOME THINGS, I'M GONNA JUMP DOWN TO THE STUFF THAT'S IN YELLOW. THESE ARE ITEMS WE COULDN'T QUITE AGREE TO. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND WHY. UH, CERTIFICATION TO THE TOWN. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS LEGALLY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED AREN'T DONE FOR OTHER SUVS. THAT BECOMES LEGALLY PROBLEMATIC. AND, UH, AND YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, I DON'T WANT TO, UH, SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT IT BECOMES CHALLENGING FOR THE TOWN TO ENFORCE SOMETHING PROCESS-WISE THAT'S NOT ENFORCED ON ALL OF THE OTHER SUVS. WE'RE NOT TALKING HOURS OF OPERATION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CERTIFICATION PROCESS. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT, UH, USE OF THE CHURCH BY OTHERS. THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT, UH, ANYONE WHO USES THE CHURCH NEEDS TO HAVE BEEN A MEMBER FOR SIX MONTHS. THAT'S LEGALLY PROBLEMATIC. 'CAUSE THAT SAYS CHURCH, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO SHOW US WHO YOUR MEMBERS ARE THAT WOULD PRESENT LEGAL ISSUES. UH, EXPIRATION OF THE S U P. THERE ARE TOWNS, UH, THAT DO HAVES THAT EXPIRE THAT ARE TERM LIMITED BY, BY SOME AMOUNT. THAT'S NOT HOW THE TOWN OF ADDISON DOES THEIR S U P PROCESS. YOU DON'T HAVE UPS THAT EXPIRE. SO AGAIN, THIS IS KEEPING THIS IN LINE WITH OTHER UPS. YES, WHERE IT'S SIX AND, YOU KNOW, ALMOST SIX PAGES HERE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM A LOT OF YOUR SUVS, BUT PROCEDURALLY IT'S THE SAME. UH, THE SCREENING FOR PARKING, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO SCREEN THE PARKING WITH FOUR FOOT WIDE, UH, HEDGE, SIX FOOT TALL. I THINK YOU SAW ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WOULD BE PRACTICALLY CHALLENGING. UH, AND SO WE, WE, UH, DID NOT AGREE TO THAT CONDITION. NEXT SLIDE. SO AFTER THE, UH, UH, PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION HEARING IN MAY, IN MID-MAY, UM, AT THE END OF JUNE, ABOUT SIX WEEKS LATER, WE WERE CONTACTED AGAIN BY, UH, THE FOUR NEIGHBORS THAT WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH, WHO WERE REPRESENTING, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO TALK. AGAIN. THEY HAD SOME ADDITIONAL REQUESTS. WE, AS WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH 'EM AND TALK WITH THEM AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS. THIS IS WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT CONVERSATION, THAT ONGOING CONVERSATION. THERE WAS A REQUEST, UH, FOR NO OUTREACH PROGRAMS FOR THE FORMERLY INCARCERATED, THE MENTALLY ILL, THE, UH, CURRENT OR FORMER DRUG ADDICTS, CURRENT OR FORMER ALCOHOLICS. NO, WE AGREED TO THAT. MORE PROOF OF A CHURCH. NO ALCOHOL CAN BE CONSUMED, NOT JUST SOLD ON THE PROPERTY CONSUMED. WE GET THAT PARKING, UH, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SPACES. SO YOU CAN'T EXPAND THE PARKING LOT. SO MORE PEOPLE COULD COME AGREED TO THAT. UH, RESTATED ONLY ONE EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITY. TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN CAN BE REQUIRED BY THE TOWN. SO IF THERE IS, UM, A CONCERN AFTER THE NOTICE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EVENT THAT THAT MIGHT CONFLICT WITH CONSTRUCTION OR, UH, SOME EVENT FOR THE CITY. A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN CAN BE REQUIRED TO SHOW HOW THE CHURCH WILL ALLEVIATE ANY ISSUES. NEXT SLIDE. UM, HERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUESTS. WE REDUCED THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY. UM, SO WE, WE CAME VERY CLOSE TO THAT. WE WERE ASKING FOR, UH, TO STILL HAVE 90 PEOPLE ALLOWED, UH, FOR EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES. UM, COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS. THIS WAS REJECTED BY THE TOWN. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT DIFFERS FROM THE STANDARDS FOR OTHER SS. UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT, UM, THE CHURCH NOT REQUEST CHANGES TO THE S E P FOR FIVE YEARS. UH, THAT IS UNUSUAL IN AN S U P REQUEST. THE TOWN HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH HOW THAT WAS PHRASED. WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, REFINE THAT AND GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE. THE CHURCH ACCEPTS THAT AS WELL. UM, FOR SCHOOL BUSES, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO LIMIT THE SCHOOL BUSES TO ONCE PER MONTH. NOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES DOWN TO ONE WEEKDAY PER MONTH, IT MAKES IT LIKELY THAT KIDS FROM MORE THAN ONE SCHOOL MAY ATTEND THE SERVICES HERE AND, AND THE LEARNING ACTIVITIES. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE FROM KIDS FROM FRISCO AND KIDS FROM RED OAK TO BE ON THE SAME BUS. SO THAT'S WHY. BUT WE DID PUT A CONDITION IN THERE THAT WE WILL ALERT THE TOWN IF WE THINK THAT THERE WILL BE TWO OR MORE BUSES, MORE THAN TWO BUSES. NEXT SLIDE. I WON'T GO OVER ALL OF THESE. THESE WERE ITEMS THAT WERE REJECTED FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. THERE WAS A PREAMBLE TO THE ORDINANCE TOWN DOES THAT CITY MANAGER HAS TO ALERT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE S E P TOWN. REJECTED THAT BECAUSE, UH, IT'S GONNA BE POSTED, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION. UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THERE'S A SCHOOL CROSS, I THINK IT'S MUMFORD, UM, THAT THAT LETS OUT. AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE ACCEPTABLE. WE COULDN'T [01:25:01] QUITE GET TO THAT POINT, THOUGH. UH, LONGER NOTICE TIME TO THE CITY. WE HAD BEEN ASKED FROM FOR SOME TIME FOR 48 HOURS NOTICE. WE AGREED TO THAT. THAT SHIFTED TO 72. WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS REALLY NECESSARY. UM, RECORD OF EVENTS. THE TOWN HAS TO MAINTAIN AND PROVIDE THE EVENTS TO THE PUBLIC, UH, TOWN REJECTED THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED, UM, BY, UH, PUBLIC, UH, NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, EXCLUSION OF FELONS FROM WORKING ON CONSTRUCTION. THE TOWN REJECTED THAT AS WELL FOR LEGAL REASONS. UM, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT'S EVERYTHING. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR LETTING ME GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. I HOPE IT'S HELPFUL JUST TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE ON THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD, THE ISSUES THAT WE COMPROMISED ON, THAT WE CONCEDED ON, BUT ALSO THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T QUITE GET THERE. UM, WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO COME TOGETHER WITH THE NEIGHBORS. UH, WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF, UH, MR. GAINES AND HIS STAFF, MR. SCHMIDT AND MR. WHITT FOR WORKING TOGETHER WITH US. WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL AGREE THAT THIS IS AN S U P THAT, UH, SHOULD BE ADOPTED BY THE TOWN AND WILL LET THE CHURCH CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, ANGELA. ALRIGHT, WHO HAS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MARLON, I SAW YOUR LIGHT FIRST. YES, SIR. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR DR. WESSON, IF I COULD. YES, SIR. FIRST OF ALL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH, WITH VARIOUS COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN CRAFTING THIS S U P. AND OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL WENT THROUGH A LOT. UM, ARE YOU, I KNOW THAT THERE'S THINGS YOU DIDN'T AGREE TO, BUT ARE, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, WITH THE S U P THAT WAS CRAFTED THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT, THAT I'VE READ THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED? IT'S ON OUR AGENDA. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. JUST THE YES. ON OUR AGENDA. UM, OKAY. AND SO I HAVE, I'VE GONE THROUGH THAT. UM, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE. UM, THE ONE, THE ONE THING, AND I KNOW WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY WHEN, WHEN WE MET. UH, THE, THE, THE ONE THING I'M HAVING PROBLEMS WITH, I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S SEVEN D UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY SHALL NOT ALLOW ALCOHOL TO BE CONSUMED ON THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR ALCOHOL USED IN RELIGIOUS SERVICES. MM-HMM. . AND, AND I JUST, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT BECAUSE I GREW UP IN CHURCHES AND, AND WE EITHER HAD WINE OR WE HAD GRAPE, GRAPE JUICE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO, UH, FOR, FOR RELIGIOUS EVENTS. AND, AND I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THE THOUGHT OF, OF LIQUOR, UH, OR ANY KIND OF ALCOHOL. AND, AND, AND MY QUESTION IS, IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, YOU WOULD WANT, OR WE'D NEED TO HAVE ALCOHOL RATHER THAN LIMIT THAT JUST A WINE? THE, UM, COMMUNION SERVICES FOR MANY, UH, CHURCHES, UH, DOES INVOLVE, UH, WINE. UM, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF A NON WINE ALCOHOL, AT LEAST IN MY CHURCH EXPERIENCE, THAT WOULD, WOULD BE PERMITTED IF THE CONCERN IS THAT THE ALCOHOL FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES BE WI LIMITED TO WINE AND NO OTHER IT IS, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. YEAH. I APPRECIATE IT. I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. NEXT, NEXT. SO I'LL GO, I'LL GO NEXT. UM, THANK YOU TO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE MET WITH ME. UH, I THINK I'VE MET WITH MORE RESIDENTS MAYBE THAN ALL OF YOU GUYS COMBINED. I FEEL LIKE IT, UH, SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. PARDON ME FOR YOU. OKAY. YES. FROM THE RESIDENCE, UM, AND FROM THE CONVERSATIONS IN MY OWN QUESTIONS, AND, AND AGAIN, THE REASON I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS IS THESE MAY BE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT ASK COMING UP HERE, OR IT MAY SPAWN ANOTHER QUESTION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I'M, I'M NOT JUST ASKING QUESTIONS JUST TO TAKE UP TIME, BELIEVE ME. BUT I, I THINK THEY'RE VALUABLE. SO I HOPE YOU, UH, AND THE AUDIENCE DO AS WELL. SO WHY IS THE PASTOR OF CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WE NEEDED THE HELP OF AN EXPERIENCED, UH, PASTOR WHO HAS HAD, UH, EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING CHURCHES AND IN BUILDING CHURCH PROGRAMS TO GIVE US DIRECTION AS TO HOW WE MIGHT BUILD OUR OWN CHURCH, UH, UH, PROGRAMS. LET ME ADDRESS SOMETHING, UH, COUNCILMAN THAT, THAT HAS BEEN ASKED OF US. ARE WE GOING TO DO CORNERSTONE NORTH? NO. ARE WE GOING TO PATTERN OURSELVES AFTER CORNERSTONE MINISTRIES? NO. I HAVE TOLD [01:30:01] YOU, UH, AND AS I HAVE EXPLAINED, THE, THE, THE MINISTRIES THAT WE PLAN TO, TO GO FORWARD, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE PATTERN AFTER CORNERSTONE. WE'RE GONNA BE GOING FOR MINISTRIES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE HISTORY OF THIS CHURCH, THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE, UH, UH, THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO LET ME EMPHASIZE AGAIN, DESPITE WHAT MIGHT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SAID, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A, A CORNERSTONE NORTH MINISTRY. SO I WAS KIND OF SMILING 'CAUSE I'VE ALREADY ASKED HARD QUESTIONS TOO, AND YOU PUT UP WITH ME. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND ELABORATING ON THE, THE CORNERSTONE NORTH, AND I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT, AND AS I WAS, UH, VISITING WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, WAS CORNERSTONE'S A SUCCESSFUL, LARGE POWERHOUSE CHURCH. AND I'M A CHURCH GUY. I'M A FAITH GUY. AND THAT, THAT DID CONCERN ME BECAUSE, UH, A CHURCH IS MEANT TO GROW, JUST LIKE BUSINESSES ARE MEANT TO GROW. AND, UM, IF IT'S NOT GROWING, IT'S DYING. SO CORNERSTONE, AND THIS IS WAS MY PRECONCEIVED IDEA BEFORE, UH, WE WENT FURTHER IN THIS, IF CORNERSTONE'S BEHIND IT, THIS THING'S GONNA TAKE OFF LIKE A ROCKET SHIP. AND THAT'S A CONCERN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, SO YOU DESCRIBED SOME OF WHAT CORNERSTONE'S NOT GONNA DO. WHAT IS ANY OF CORNERSTONE'S INVOLVEMENT IN, UH, WHITE ROCK CHAPEL? THE PLANS? UH, CORNERSTONE IS NOT INVOLVED IN SPECIFICALLY IN THE PLANS. AS I SAID, UH, WE NEED DIRECTION FROM EXPERIENCED CHURCH LEADERS AS TO HOW WE MIGHT DO THE UNIQUE MINISTRIES THAT ARE BE, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE PLAYING FOR, UH, FOR WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. AND BY THE WAY, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU COUNCILMAN, THAT CORNERSTONE'S CURRENT, UM, UH, UH, MEMBERSHIP HAS BEEN PRETTY STEADY FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPACT IN TERMS OF ITS MINISTRY HAS BEEN GROWING. UH, WE CAN GET INTO THE PROGRAMS IF YOU WANT TO, BUT THE IMPACT OF THOSE PROGRAMS IS WHAT HAS BEEN GROWING. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ATTENDING THE CHURCH HAS NOT BEEN GROWING, BUT THE IMPACT OF HIS MINISTRIES HAS BEEN GROWING. I HAVE NOT LOOKED UP WHERE CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH IS. UM, WHAT STREET'S IT ON? IT'S ON THE CORNER OF MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE AND, UH, UH, INTERSTATE 45. OKAY. I KNOW HOW BIG AND BUSY INTERSTATE 45 IS, BUT, UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT, UM, COMPARABLE TO A STREET AROUND HERE? IS IT BELTLINE? IS IT MIDWAY? I'M NOT SURE I'M QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THAT. IT'S A FOUR-LANE UNDIVIDED COLLECTOR. SO, UH, IT'S NOT, UH, AN ARTERIAL LIKE A, A MIDWAY OR, OR BELTLINE. IT'S, IT'S A SMALLER STREET, UH, MEANT TO COLLECT TRAFFIC AND MOVE IT EAST TO WEST. OKAY. IT'S JUST, JUST CURIOUS. UH, AND PART OF THIS IS, IS ABOUT LOCATION AND YOU'RE CONSTRAINED BY THE SS U P FOR THIS CHURCH OPERATION. THAT'S THE WHOLE S U P IDEA OF THE S U P AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ACTIVITY LEVEL. MM-HMM. , OBVIOUSLY CORNERSTONE DOES A LOT OF GOOD, YOU MENTIONED, WHICH I, I AM A, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IN THOSE THINGS IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND KNOWING THAT, UM, A CHURCH OPERATION HAS TO BE MUCH MORE SCALED DOWN FOR A SLEEPY CORNER IN ADDISON IS SIGNIFICANT. UM, THIS IS, I ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION TODAY ALSO. MM-HMM. THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH ME. MM-HMM. . AND, UM, AND, AND WE, WE HAD A, WE HAD A TOUGH MEETING, TOUGH CONVERSATION, AND PRODUCTIVE. AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, IN THIS ROOM HAD BEEN, UM, GIVEN INFORMATION THAT MAY NOT BE THE WHOLE PIECE OF THE WHOLE STORY. UM, MAINLY FUELED BY THE 20 19 39 PAGE. SO 39, 36, 39 PAGE RESTORATION PLAN, MAINLY FUELED BY THAT. SO THAT'S THE PICTURE THAT A LOT OF THE STORYTELLERS, UH, THAT'S GIVING PEOPLE INFORMATION IS TELLING AND PAINTING THAT'S SCARY, THAT'S SCARY TO PEOPLE, UH, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WOULD YOU TELL ME WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN A DAY, IN A WEEK, IN A MONTH AT, IN A QUARTER, UM, WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE AT Y ROCK CHAPEL? IF THIS GOES THROUGH, UM, I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR YOU TO YOU TO TELL, PAINT THE PICTURE AND, AND TELL THE VISION OR TELL THE STORY OF OPERATION. SO LET ME BEGIN. LET, LET, LET, LET'S TALK ABOUT A MONTH. OKAY. [01:35:01] SO LET'S, LET'S TALK, UH, ABOUT SUNDAY. SO WE'LL HAVE, UH, SERVICES ON SUNDAY, UM, UH, WORSHIP SERVICE. UM, WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT HOW LONG THAT THAT WOULD LAST. MY GUESS IS PROBABLY ON AN HOUR OR SO, UM, THROUGH THAT WEEK, WE WILL HAVE ONE LEADERSHIP MEETING FOR OUR BIBLE STUDY CLASS. SO THE BIBLE STUDY CLASS LEADERSHIP MEETS TO PLAN WHAT THE, THE, THE, THE NEXT CLASS OF THE BIBLE STUDY IS GOING TO BE. THAT TYPICALLY IS, UH, BETWEEN FIVE AND 7:00 AM WE'LL MEET ONE OF THOSE DAYS, UH, IN THE WEEK. AND THEN ANOTHER DAY IN THAT WEEK, WE'LL HAVE OUR EVENING, UH, BIBLE STUDY. UH, TYPICALLY FROM 7:00 PM TO NINE, UH, PM IN BETWEEN THERE WILL BE VERY LITTLE, IF ANYTHING, UH, A A LITTLE ACTIVITY GOING ON, UH, DURING THE WEEK, MAYBE, UH, UH, UH, A BUSINESS MEETING HERE AND THERE. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS WITH EACH OF THOSE DURING THE WEEK, UH, UH, SETTINGS THAT I'VE JUST DESCRIBED, LESS THAN, UH, THAN 10 PEOPLE. THE ONCE A MONTH, AS I SAID, WE'LL HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL, UH, ACTIVITY THAT WOULD INVOLVE, UH, UH, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT YOU'VE HEARD, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY SCHOOLS WOULD BE INVOLVED. THAT WOULD DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL BUSES THAT WOULD, WOULD COME, UH, TO DO THAT. UH, THERE THE OTHER 12 NON-RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES, ONE OF THOSE MAY OCCUR, UH, FOR THAT MONTH. SO WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE IS FOUR WORSHIP SERVICES PER MONTH. FOUR BIBLE STUDY FELLOWSHIP LEADERS MEETING BETWEEN 5:00 AM AND 7:00 AM ONE BIBLE STUDY, FELLOWSHIP CLASS MEETING BETWEEN 7:00 PM AND 9:00 PM AND POSSIBLY ONE OTHER NON-RELIGIOUS, UH, ACTIVITY THAT WOULD HAPPEN OF, OF, OF THE 12 POSSIBILITIES OF THE POSSIBILITIES. ONE OF THE 12 WOULD HAPPEN. THAT'S IS WHAT I WOULD SEE WOULD BE A TYPICAL MONTH. TYPICAL MONTH. AND THAT IS, IS NOT WHAT, UM, I HAD ANY VISIBILITY OVER SOME OF THOSE THINGS I DIDN'T HAVE VISIBILITY OVER. TO CLARIFY, THE, THE BIBLE STUDY IS CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE S U P. THAT'S CLEARLY IN THE, THE PAGES OF THE S U P. IT IS. OKAY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. THE THINGS THAT ARE DEFINED, THOSE ARE PRETTY EASY 'CAUSE THEY'RE DEFINED, THEY'RE ON THE PAPER. WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. UM, BUT IT'S THE THINGS WITHIN THE WEEK, IT'S WHAT DOES A SUNDAY LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES A SATURDAY, YOU MENTIONED A POTENTIAL, I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, THERE MAY BE A MEETING OF A GROUP THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN DURING THE DAY. IT'S A 10 PERSON MEETING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE, UH, ACTIVITY DURING THE DAY, DURING THE WEEK, THROUGHOUT THE WEEK. AND YOU HAD SHARED WITH ME TYPICAL THINGS AT A SMALL CHURCH OR A MEETING OF THIS GROUP OR THAT GROUP, IF THAT THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I ALSO EMPHASIZE THAT THE BIBLE STUDY, UM, IS, UH, BOTH ON SITE AND VIRTUAL. SO THERE'S A SMALL NUMBER OF MEN OR WOMEN ON SITE WHO ARE HANDLING THE LOGISTICS OF IT. AND MANY OF THOSE WHO ARE JOINING IN OR DOING SO VIRTUALLY. SO YOU SAW THE VIRTUAL TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE NOW IN THE FELLOWSHIP HALL. WE WILL INSTALL THE SAME TECHNOLOGY THERE IN THE CHAPEL. AND MANY HAVE ASKED, WELL, WHAT ABOUT CHURCH GROWTH OF, OF, OF INDIVIDUALS? WELL, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE HEARD. ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO GO BEYOND THAT. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND VIRTUALLY. AND IN FACT, WE SUSPECT THAT IN THE LONG TERM, THE GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WILL, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE JOINING THE MINISTRY WILL BE DOING SO VIRTUALLY. OKAY. I THINK, UM, I WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION. I WANT EVERYBODY TO HEAR THAT QUESTION. WHAT ACTIVITY LOOKS LIKE THROUGHOUT A WEEK? PAINT. PAINT THE PICTURE. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK THE, UM, THE ACTIVITY IMPACT, MEANING THE BUSYNESS, THE NOISINESS, THE ACTIVITY, THE DISTRACTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT IMPACT'S GONNA BE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, I ANTICIPATE IT BEING LOW. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE CHURCH SERVICE FOR INSTANCE. YOU, YOU'VE HEARD THE LIMITATIONS, UH, REGARDING THE PARKING AND [01:40:01] THE NUMBER, UH, FOR THE ONE TIME A WEEK THAT OUR LEADERSHIP, IT'S MEETING LESS THAN 10 PEOPLE MEETING BETWEEN 5:00 AM AND 7:00 AM MINIMAL IMPACT FOR THE ONE TIME A WEEK THAT WE'LL HAVE OUR IN-CLASS BIBLE STUDY BETWEEN 7:00 PM AND 9:00 PM LESS THAN 10 PEOPLE ON SITE. ANY OTHERS, UH, MEETING VIRTUALLY MINIMUM IMPACT. THE, UH, ONCE PER MONTH EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES CERTAINLY WILL BE MORE INDIVIDUALS THERE. UH, A COUPLE OF BUSES, UH, THERE, UH, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, MINIMUM IMPACT. AND I JUST REMIND YOU THAT IT WILL BE NO MORE THAN ONCE A MONTH. BUT THAT, AND I WOULD ADD THAT'S A CRITICAL PART OF THE MISSION. 'CAUSE AS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE, THE, UH, THE CHURCH HAS THE MISSION, THE SPIRITUAL MISSION, THE HISTORICAL MISSION, AND THE EDUCATION MISSION. AND THE EDUCATION MISSION BEING CARRIED OUT NO MORE THAN ONCE PER MONTH, WE THINK IS A REASONABLE CONCESSION FOR US TO MAKE, TO HELP MAINTAIN THE TRANQUILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MAINTAIN WHAT THE TRANQUILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M SOME OF THE, A KEY POINT TO THINK ABOUT IS, IS THE IMPACT OF THIS CHURCH, UM, TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC IS, IS A PRETTY EASY THING TO SEE. WE SEE THOSE CARS, BUT WHAT'S THE KIND OF THE SOFTER IMPACT, AND I THINK TRANQUILITY IS A GOOD WORD THAT WOULD DESCRIBE WHAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED WITH IS TRANQUILITY. SO WHAT ABOUT UNINTENDED OUTCOMES THAT WOULD DIMINISH THAT TRANQUILITY? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE? UH, CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE? WE, WE, WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT SUCH THING. I KNOW. I WAS JUST OPEN-ENDED QUESTION. I DIDN'T JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT IT. UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THAT. SO ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, UM, I, AND CONSIDERING THESE QUESTIONS, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOUR ATTORNEY WOULD STAND UP AND SAY, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T, UM, WOULD STAND UP AND SAY YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T SAY THAT ACTIVITY THAT YOU'RE SAYING TO, 'CAUSE YOU'RE KIND OF COMMITTING TO IT AND IT COULD BE USED AGAINST YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THAT. AND FOR YOU EITHER DOING IT NOT ON PURPOSE OR NOT DOING IT ON PURPOSE, OR JUST MISSING IT. UM, SO THE, YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO, WHY, WHY TWO BUSES, WHY MORE THAN TWO BUSES? THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. COULD COME FROM DIFFERENT SCHOOLS. ARE YOU GONNA LOAD UP 90 KIDS? WHICH THAT'S A, A NUMBER THAT I MAY HAVE A CONCERN WITH, UM, FROM, FROM ONE SCHOOL, MAYBE 30 FROM THIS SCHOOL, 30 FROM THAT SCHOOL. I, I COULD, I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON, THIS HAS BEEN SAID, THIS IS THE MOST REGULATED CHURCH IN TEXAS. AND, AND I HAPPEN TO THINK IT'S A, IT IS A VERY, VERY, VERY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE, UH, GOING FROM THIS CHURCH IN THE TWO LAST TWO DECADES OF RECENT MEMORY. AND I'VE LEARNED THIS FROM ALL OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, HAS A VERY LOW ACTIVITY IN THE LAST TWO DECADES. 10 PEOPLE, 20 PEOPLE, MM-HMM. , 15 PEOPLE. SO GOING FROM THAT TO 54 PEOPLE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO OR 300% INCREASE MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE SCARY THING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE. WE KNOW WHAT THE PAST LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE IT'S THE PAST, IT'S THE HISTORY, IT'S THE TRUTH. AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED. I DON'T LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO REALLY PUT MYSELF IN THEIR, IN THEIR SHOES. AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS A BIG DEAL. I RE WE REALLY WANNA LOOK AT WHO LIVES OVER THERE AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS. SO THE TWO YEAR SS U P EXPIRATION OR RENEWAL TOPIC, AND THIS MAY BE A A WITT QUESTION. UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN SAID THAT WE DON'T DO THAT IN ADDISON. WELL, THAT USUALLY ISN'T JUST THE ANSWER. IT'S LIKE, SHOULD WE DO THAT IN ADDISON OR WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? OR WHY DIDN'T, WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS ON THERE? WHY DON'T WE DO A TWO YEAR EXPIRING OR TRIAL PERIOD S U P. HEY DARREN, THIS SEEMS LIKE DISCUSSION THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING NOW INSTEAD OF ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. OKAY. MAYBE WE COULD SAVE THAT FOR LATER. I'LL SAVE IT FOR LATER. I, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK SO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. WEST. OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ELSE FOR THE APPLICANT? NANCY? YES. UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THANKS TO THE NEIGHBORS AND, UM, FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE MEETINGS. AND MS. HUNT DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING [01:45:01] SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ON THOSE MEETINGS, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD, UH, ELABORATE ON HOW THEY WERE ORGANIZED. WHAT WAS THE ATTENDANCE? WHO DETERMINED THE ATTENDANCE GENERALLY, HOW WERE THEY CONDUCTED AND WERE THERE ANY MEETINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED THAT YOU OR YOUR TEAM DIDN'T AGREE TO MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE FOR? I CAN ASK THE LAST QUESTION FIRST. NO, EVERY MEETING WHICH WE WERE ASKED TO ATTEND, UH, WE ATTENDED. THANK YOU. UH, THE, THE NEIGHBORS WOULD ASK TO MEET WITH US. UH, WE GENERALLY HAD, UH, A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE ISSUE, UH, WAS ABOUT. UH, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UH, WE WANTED DISCUSS S U P CONDITIONS, UM, AND WE, WE MADE OURSELVES AVAILABLE WHEN THEY ASKED TO MEET WITH US. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU DR. WESSON. I DO HAVE ONE FURTHER QUESTION. I'M SORRY. YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, DARREN? YES, I DO. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS EXCESSIVE ACTIVITY? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO ON YOUR SIDE BEFORE IF YOU, IF IF'S REPORTED TO YOU OR YOU NOTICE IT? WHAT IS, WHAT'S YOUR SO EXCESSIVE ACTIVITY BEING OUTSIDE OF THE, THAT, UH, OFFEND THE S U P THAT'S, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE S U P? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ANYBODY THAT IS GOING TO, IS GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE ACTIVITIES. WE'RE GONNA LET THEM KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS. SO WE'RE GONNA BE ACTING PROACTIVELY BEFORE ANY ACTIVITY. SHOULD THEY VIOLATE IT. WE WILL TALK WITH THEM, UM, TO, UH, TO GET CORRECTION. AND WE'LL ALSO, UH, EXERT ANY KIND OF DISCIPLINARY AND PREVENTIVE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. UH, OKAY. I I, I, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, I WONDER, I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT THE SS U P HAS TO BE POSTED ON SITE. YES. OKAY. IT HAS TO BE POSTED ON SITE. YES. BUT IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'LL EMPHASIZE IT VERBALLY TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE PARTICIPATING SO THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS AHEAD OF TIME. OKAY. THAT'S MY LAST, LAST QUESTION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU DR. WESSON. I HAVE A MORE PERSONAL QUESTION. YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS DIFFERENT. YEAH. THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR YOU TO ASK THE QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT. THIS IS A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, FOLKS TO, UH, MAKE THEIR COMMENTS. WE'LL, GONNA OPEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL START THAT. WE HAD THE NUMBER OF EMAILS THAT WERE SENT TO THE COUNCIL AND ASKED TO BE READ INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO DO THOSE FIRST. AND I ALSO DO HAVE, UH, SOME FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT THAT, UH, HAVE, HAVE REQUESTED TO NOT SPEAK, BUT THEY WANTED TO, UH, VOICE THEIR EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. AND WE HAVE NINE OF THEM THAT ARE, UH, OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT THEY DID NOT REQUEST TO SPEAK TONIGHT. THOSE WILL BE ENTERED. THIS WILL BE 10, UH, 10, UH, THAT ARE OPPOSED. AND THOSE WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE MINUTES INTO THE RECORD FOR THE MEETING, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE SPEAKING TONIGHT FOR THEIR REQUEST. AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME EMAILS WE'D LIKE TO READ FIRST AND I, I'LL CALL ON, UH, MAYOR PRO EILEEN RESNICK FIRST, I GOT MY GLASSES ON SO I CAN DO THIS. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS FROM ANITA BRAUN AND IT SAYS, AS A 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF ADDISON, I URGE THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT FOR THE RENOVATIONS TO WHITE ROCK CHAPEL AS REQUESTED. UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CONTENTIOUS TOPIC FOR A MINORITY GROUP OF RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEAR THE CHURCH AND HAVE OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. I BELIEVE THE NEW OWNERS OF WHITE ROCK CHAPEL HAVE THE BEST OF INTENTIONS TO USE THEIR CHURCH WITH THEIR AGREED UPON RESTRICTIONS AND FOR GOOD AND RESPECTABLE SERVICES AND EVENTS. WHITE ROCK CHAPEL IS IN HISTORIC PART OF OUR TOWN, AND IT'S BEEN SUCH LONG BEFORE WE WERE INCORPORATED AS A TOWN. I'VE BEEN INTRODUCED TO DR. DON WESSON AND HAVE CLOSE FRIENDS WHO KNOW MRS. WANDA WESSON. I BELIEVE THEY'RE HONEST AND UPSTANDING PEOPLE WHO WILL MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THIS COMMUNITY. I TRUST THAT THEY WILL DO THEIR BEST TO BE GOOD CITIZENS AND BELIEVE THEY HAVE DONE MORE THAN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO TO APPEASE ANY CONCERNS BROUGHT UP BY THE FEW WHO HAVE VOICED CONCERNS AGAINST THEIR PLANS. ENFORCEMENT OF PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY PEOPLE WHO ARE VISITING OUR NEARBY PARKS IS A [01:50:01] SEPARATE ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. PLEASE APPROVE THIS REQUEST SO THAT ADDISON CAN CONTINUE TO BE THE BEST COMMUNITY. THE SECOND ONE IS FROM RICHARD LANE. IT SAYS, GOOD EVENING. I BELIEVE THAT THE NEW S U P BEFORE THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE APPROVED. IT'S A VAST IMPROVEMENT OVER THE SS U P ADOPTED BY THE P N C. AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE REVISED S U P ONE ACKNOWLEDGES THE UNIQUE TRAFFIC ISSUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. TWO, REDUCES THE PERMISSIBLE OCCUPANCY ON THE PROPERTY. THREE, LIMITS THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL ON THE PROPERTY TO RELIGIOUS SERVICES. ONLY FOUR GIVES THE TOWN THE RIGHT TO REQUEST A TRAFFIC STUDY. IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, FIVE EXCLUDES ACTIVITIES SUCH AS SOUP KITCHENS, HOMELESS SHELTERS, AND OUTREACH PROGRAMS FOR FELONS, DRUG ADDICTS, ALCOHOLICS, AND THE MENTALLY ILL, ALL OF WHICH ARE NOT APPROPRIATE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SIX MOST IMPORTANTLY, PLACES A FIVE YEAR MORATORIUM ON MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE S U P. BECAUSE OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE AGREED SS U P. IN MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE HAVE THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDERED OTHER ALTERNATIVES, INCLUDING LITIGATION AND OTHER IDEAS RECOMMENDED BY OUR NEIGHBORS. IN THE END, WE HAVE CONCLUDED THAT NONE OF THESE OPTIONS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE TOWN. WE UNDERSTAND THE STRONG FEELINGS ON THIS MATTER AMONG SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS AS WE UNDERSTAND IT. SOME DON'T WANT A CHURCH AT ALL AND SOME ONLY WANT A SMALL CHURCH. AS CHURCH AS WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST. THIS IS OUR DEMOCRACY AT WORK. AND EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN WHAT IS ULTIMATELY DEVELOPED ON THE OLD CHURCH SITE. WE WOULD URGE THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE S U P, BUT IF THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS ARE AGAINST THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL AND THE SS U P, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU ONCE AGAIN, TABLE THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL REQUEST. IF THE COUNCIL HAS QUESTIONS, THEY SHOULD BE ASKED. IF THE COUNCIL AGREES WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAT THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN 15 OR 20 PEOPLE, THEN TELL THAT TO THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. AFTER ALL, DR. WESSON HAS CONTINUOUSLY STATED THAT HE WANTS A SMALL CHURCH, A FAMILY CHURCH, AND THAT HE WILL GROW AT VIRTUALLY SET THE GROUND RULES AND GIVE THE NEIGHBORS IN THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO REFINE THE S U P TO EVERYONE'S LIKING. IF YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR WAY CLEAR TO APPROVE THE S U P, PLEASE DO NOT TURN IT DOWN. AT THE VERY LEAST, TABLE THE REQUEST FOR 90 DAYS AND LET THE PARTIES IN THE TOWN WORK OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EILEEN. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO, TIM ILLA. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, THIS IS FROM, UH, SUSAN MILL MILLHOLLAND. HELLO, MY NAME IS SUSAN MILLHOLLAND. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ADDISON FOR OVER NINE YEARS. I WAS RECENTLY MARRIED IN MARCH AND TOOK PHOTOS IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH IN QUESTION. SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION AND THE AREA. AFTER READING THE SS U P I WANTED TO LEND MY SUPPORT TO THE CHURCH. THE RULES ARE VERY SPECIFIC AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CHURCH HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT ACCOMMODATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE CHURCH IMPROVEMENTS ONLY ADD TO THE COMMUNITY WITH LITTLE TO NO DOWNSIDE. IN LOOKING AT THE DESIGN, THE ADDITION OF THE TREE SHOULD BEAUTIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ADDITION OF THE OUTDOOR SPACE AND PARKING SHOULD ALSO MAKE THE SPACE MORE USABLE WITHOUT UNDULY IMPACTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE COMPROMISES THE CHURCH HAS MADE ARE REASONABLE, THOUGHTFUL, AND SEEM TO BE WELL INTENDED. GIVEN THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE FACILITY, THE SS U P AND PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT SHOULD BE GRANTED. BEST REGARDS, SUSAN MAHA AND DON . THANK YOU, GQ. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLISON? UH, YES, THE, THE ONE I HAVE IS FROM ANITA BRAUN, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD. UH, JUST TO DUPLICATE, THE ONLY THING I CAN ADD IS THAT HER ADDRESS IS 1 4 6 1 6 LEXUS AVENUE. IT'S ALREADY BEEN READ IN. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CRAIG. THIS IS FROM, UM, LIZ OLIPHANT, UH, 1 4 7 0 0 MARSH LANE. UM, IT READS, I AM OUT OF TOWN, SO I CANNOT ATTEND THE JULY 25TH COUNCIL MEETING. SO I'M SENDING THIS LETTER WITH THE REQUEST THAT IT BE READ INTO COUNCIL MINUTES. AFTER LIVING AND WORKING IN ADDISON FOR 20 PLUS YEARS, IT SADDENS ME TO SEE THE TOWN RIPPED APART BY A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE TRYING TO IMPOSE THEIR WISHES ON THE LARGER COMMUNITY. PARKS AND SCHOOLS BELONG TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH THEY ARE LOCATED. CHURCHES BELONG TO AN EVEN LARGER COMMUNITY, OFTEN BEYOND CITY LIMIT SIGNS FOR GENERATIONS. BEFORE ADDISON WAS ESTABLISHED AS A GOVERNMENTAL BODY, WHITE ROCK CHAPEL EXISTED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. PEOPLE CAME TO WORSHIP THERE FROM SURROUNDING CITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS. NEWER RESIDENTS [01:55:01] KNEW THE CHURCH WAS THERE WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEIR HOMES. WHY IS IT NOW A PROBLEM? THE NEW PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE AGREED TO STRINGENT LIMITS ON CHURCH USE AND GROWTH TO PACIFY THE NEIGHBORS WHILE STILL PRESERVING OBSERV AN HISTORIC PRESENCE. MAYBE IT IS THAT HISTORIC PRESENCE TO SOME NEIGHBORS WISH TO WIPE OUT DESPITE LOUD AND FERVENT PROTESTS AT A RECENT PUBLIC MEETING THAT RACE WAS NOT THE ISSUE. WHAT OTHER EXPLANATION IS THERE THAT A RUNDOWN CHURCH BUILDING DETRACTS FROM MILLION DOLLAR HOMES AND A HISTORIC MARKER GIVES AN EXPLANATION. THERE'S ALREADY A TRAFFIC PROBLEM. A BUILDING THAT SEATS 50 WON'T CREATE MORE THAN A USUAL IS ISSUE. UH, IT PROVIDES PARKING SPACES FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE THEIR PARK. THE PARK IS OWNED BY THE TOWN OF ADDISON, NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NONE OF THESE ARGUMENTS ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING ISSUE. THANKS TO NEWS COVERAGE, THE CONTROVERSY HAS ALREADY DAMAGED THE REPUTATION OF TOWN OF ADDISON AS A MODEL COMMUNITY WITHIN THE METROPLEX. WAS THAT THE GOAL OF OPPONENTS FOR FORMING A PROBLEM WHERE NONE HAS EXISTED FOR 50 YEARS? WE MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION UNTIL THE FILING DEADLINE FOR CITY COUNCIL ROLLS AROUND NEXT JANUARY. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXPECTED TO WORK TOWARD THE GOOD OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, NOT TO BOW TO THE WISHES OF A SMALL FACTION. PRESERVING WHITE ROCK CHAPEL HONORS THOSE WHO PROCEEDED THE CURRENT GENERATION. PLEASE VOTE ACCORDINGLY. THANK YOU, NANCY. COUNCIL MEMBER CIO, I'LL BE READING A LETTER FROM PAUL WALDEN, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I WANNA REACH OUT TO YOU ALL AND ASK TO SUPPORT THE S U P RELATING TO THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU. I LISTENED TO THE ARGUMENTS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BY THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PERMIT AND FOUND THEM TO BE LACKING IN ANY FACTUAL BIAS OR BASIS. EXCUSE ME. INSTEAD, THIS IS THE SAME OLD ALARMIST AND INCENDIARY RHETORIC FROM VERY FEW RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE LOSING END OF LOCAL ELECTIONS SINCE 2015 AND CONTINUE TO SEEK ANY OPPORTUNITY TO OPPOSE AND DISCREDIT COUNSELS WHO HAVE BEEN ELECTED. SUBSEQUENT TO 2015, I HAVE FOUND THE PETITIONER TO BE MORE THAN ACCOMMODATING TO THE REQUESTS FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IN A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THE OPPONENTS HAVE SHOWN NO SUCH GOOD FAITH. HOWEVER, RATHER SIMPLE OBSTRUCTIONISM BASED UPON NOT SO VEILED RACISM, THE FACILITY, EXCUSE ME, THE FACULTY HAS A LONG HISTORY WITH THE TOWN AND THAT TRADITION NEEDS TO CONTINUE. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW A FEW POL POLITICAL OPPONENTS TO THE CURRENT COUNCIL TO DERAIL THIS S U P I REQUEST THAT YOU READ THIS EMAIL INTO RECORD AS I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN ON THE HEARING DATE. THANK YOU, DAN. COUNCIL MEMBER GARDNER, THIS IS FROM SARAH BROWN. UH, I WOULD LIKE MY COMMENTS TO BE READ INTO RECORD. THANK YOU. SARAH BROWN. I LIVE AT 1 4 8 1 1 BELLBROOK DRIVE WITH MY HUSBAND AND FOUR YOUNG CHILDREN. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY. I LIVE IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MY YOUNG DAUGHTERS WALK TO THE PARK, WALK AROUND THE PATH AND RIDE THEIR BIKES IN THE STREET. MY OLDEST JUST GOT HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE AND IS PRACTICING MAKING THAT BIG LEFT TURN OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFELY. PASSING THIS SS U P WOULD DESTROY OUR SAFE, QUIET COMMUNITY. WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE KNOWING THAT OUTSIDERS CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET. UNDERSTANDING THAT WHILE WE ARE IN ADDISON, WE HAVE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD QUIET AND SAFE. WESSON PLANS TO BRING PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE NOT THE INTENDED AUDIENCE FOR HIS EDUCATION AND OUTREACH EFFORTS AS ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS PUT IT AT THE ZONING MEETING. THIS KIND OF ENDEAVOR NEEDS TO BE A MARRIAGE BETWEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND AN ENTITY. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN A FORCED MARRIAGE. NO GOOD MARRIAGE BEGINS WITH SUCH STRONG SUPPORT. WESSON'S PLANS ARE NOT THE RIGHT WESTON'S PLANS ARE NOT RIGHT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE. I DO HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS AND VOTE NO ON ANY PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I HOPE THAT THE CITY'S ZONING MEETING MIGHT SERVE AS A LESSON OF WHAT NOT TO DO. [02:00:01] TO WHOM IS THIS CITY MORALLY OBLIGATED TO ITS RESIDENTS OR TO AN OUTSIDE ENTITY? SINCERELY, SARAH BROWN. THANK YOU DARREN. I HAVE TWO TO READ HERE FOR YOU REAL QUICKLY. THE FIRST ONE IS FROM LORI SIMILAR FELLOW ADDISON HEIGHTS. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 25TH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU. NOW YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO ENTER THESE COMMENTS INTO THE OFFICIAL RECORD OF THE MEETING. THERE IS A PRECEDENT IN ADDISON FOR GOING AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORS. IT WAS NOT THAT LONG AGO THAT THE RESIDENTS OF MIDWAY MEADOWS PECAN SQUARE AND THE SURROUNDING SUBDIVISIONS VOICED OPPOSITION TO THE PLANS FOR ADDISON GROVE. YET THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDING THE BUILDER WITH INCENTIVES. IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT FOR THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL SS U P, HAS AGREED TO NUMEROUS RESTRICTIONS TO APPEASE THE NEIGHBORS AND IS NOT REQUESTING ANYTHING FROM THE TOWN. I UNDERSTAND THAT TOWN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE S U P WITH THE CONDITIONS AGREED TO BY DR. WESSON AND ALMOST ALL OF THE RESTRICTIONS REQUESTED BY THE NEIGHBORS. I SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF THE S U P SO THAT THE CHURCH CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PLANS FOR THE CHAPEL. AGAIN, I REMIND YOU THAT THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR THE COUNCIL NOT AGREEING WITH THE WISHES OF A VOCAL MINORITY OF THE RESIDENTS. AND THEN THE LAST ONE I HAVE IS FROM CINDY SLI. I HOPE I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY. S A L I T. MY NAME IS CINDY SLI, MY HUSBAND JAN, AND I LIVE IN BROOK ESTATES ON BROOK DRIVE. I'M WRITING IN SUPPORT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AND REQUEST FOR REZONING WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. I BELIEVE THE WESTONS HAVE PROPOSED A REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE USE AND FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PROPERTY MOVING FORWARD. FURTHERMORE, I FEEL THEY HAVE SHOWN REMARKABLE FLEXIBILITY AND SENSITIVITY TOWARD THE COMMUNITY IN THAT THEY HAVE MORE THAN ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS RAISED BY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. LASTLY, THIS IS JUST SIMPLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT HISTORICAL SITE AND I BELIEVE THE WEINS HAVE PROPOSED A VISION FOR NOT ONLY MAINTAINING THE CHURCH ITSELF, BUT ALSO TO REVIVE THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL INSTITUTION WHERE BOTH FORMER SLAVES AND ENSLAVERS WERE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER IN PEACEFUL FELLOWSHIP. AND IDEAL. WE SHOULD ALL BE STRIVING FORWARD DURING THIS ADMITTED ADMITTEDLY VOLATILE POLITICAL TIME. ADDISON HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN EXAMPLE TO THE NATION. LET'S NOT LET IT SLIP AWAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ALL THE EMAILS? READ? EVERYBODY GOOD? OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO THE, UH, REGULAR PUBLIC PORTION, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. AND SO THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO COME AND, UH, ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES. IF YOU DON'T NEED ALL THREE MINUTES, IT'S CERTAINLY OKAY FOR YOU TO TAKE LESS THAN THREE MINUTES AND WE ENCOURAGE THAT , RIGHT? SO, SO WE, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GETTING A LITTLE BIT LATE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED OFF REAL QUICKLY AND WE'LL TAKE A BREAK HERE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, BUT WANT TO GET A FEW OF THESE, UH, JUST, UH, GETS GET STARTED HERE. FIRST UP WILL BE MARY JO CATERER, AND AS YOU COME IN THE, TO THE, UH, LECTERN ONCE YOU GET THERE, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS SO WE CAN HAVE THAT FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS MARY JO CATERER. I LIVE AT 1 7 0 4 3 FINLAND DRIVE IN ADDISON. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND HE WON'T TAKE ME LONG TO READ WHAT I WANT. THE STRUCTURE REFERRED TO AS A WHITE ROCK CHAPEL HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING BUT A CHURCH. A PHYSICAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY CONFIRMS THAT IT IS A CHURCH REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANY HOME BUILDER OR SELLER MAY HAVE IMPLIED, IT IS STILL A CHURCH. THE CONDITIONS AGREED TO IN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ARE EXTENSIVE AND WOULD PROBABLY NOT HOLD UP IN COURT. TEXAS LAW SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS SIMILAR RESTRICTIONS ON CHURCHES. THE OWNERS HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO APPEASE THEIR NEIGHBORS BY GRIEVING TO THESE RESTRICTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MARY JO. EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF BEING LESS THAN THREE MINUTES. NEXT UP WE HAVE BOB HECKMAN. BOB, THANK YOU MAYOR, CITY MANAGER AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UH, MY NAME IS BOB HECKMAN. I LIVE AT 1 4 7 7 6 MAIDEN COURT, UH, THAT'S IN OAKS NORTH. I HAVE THE, UH, HONOR TO BE ON THE OAKS NORTH. UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD HAVE DONE THAT TWICE. MAKES YOU KIND OF QUESTION MY JUDGMENT, DOESN'T IT? , UH, I CHAIR THE, UH, SAFETY AND SECURITY, [02:05:01] UH, COMMITTEE. AND I TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, WE HAD AN ARMED ROBBERY, AN ARMED ROBBERY, UH, IN, UH, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT SCARED EVERYONE, IT SCARED ME. WE HAD, UH, SEVERAL MEETINGS AND, UH, DECIDED THAT WE DID NEED TO FORM A SAFETY AND SECURITY COMMITTEE. AS A RESULT, I WAS IN MY BACKYARD, WHICH BACKS UP TO CELESTIAL PARK AND TALKED TO THE POLICEMEN THAT WERE INVESTIGATING THE ARMED ROBBERY WHEN THEY DISCOVERED A FULL CLIP OF BULLETS ABOUT 20 FEET FROM MY BACK WALL. SO THIS IS SERIOUS TO US. SINCE THEN, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO THEFTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NUMEROUS MAILBOXES KNOCKED DOWN, AND BOTH OF OUR ENTRANCES HAVE HAD DRIVERS KNOCK MAJOR PORTIONS OF THE MONUMENTS, BOTH ON BELTLINE AND ON MONTFORD. SO WE TAKE THIS EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY. I'VE ATTENDED ALL THE MEETINGS THUS FAR. UH, SURVEY, WHICH WAS SLIDE 16, SAID THAT, UH, HOMES HAD BEEN, UH, SURVEYED IN THE AREA OF 200 FEET. AND AS YOU COULD TELL, THE VAST MAJORITY SAID THAT THEY DO NOT FAVOR THIS S U P THE FIRST OF MANY FORMS OF THE S U P. WE HAVE NOT RESURVEYED ACCORDING TO ANYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD, WHICH HAVING COME OUT OF A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, IF SOMEONE CAME TO ME AND DID A SURVEY AND WE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND LOTS OF INVESTMENT OF TIME, I WOULD SAY, SO HOW DO THE PEOPLE WHO FELT SO NEGATIVE FEEL NOW APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD FIND OUT AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A RESURVEY ALSO ON, ON SLIDE 16, I BELIEVE THERE WERE 23 RESPONDENTS. THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE PETITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CIRCULATED, MULTIPLE HAVE BEEN SIGNED SUGGESTED LETTERS. AND I QUESTION WHETHER THOSE ARE THE ONLY RESPONSES THAT WE HAVE HAD, ONLY 23. BUT THE REAL QUESTION IS, WERE THE PROBLEMS RESOLVED? MY DAD TOLD ME A LONG TIME AGO, EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED. SO LET'S MAKE AN ASSUMPTION. AND I THINK BASED UPON THE WESSON FAMILY'S DEDICATION TO, TO A VERY NOBLE CAUSE AND THEIR ABILITY TO SPREAD THAT WORD, WHICH CAN HAPPEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, AS WE ALL ALL KNOW THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, WORD TO MOUTH AND SO FORTH. LET'S ASSUME THAT THEY'RE VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL IN MAKING THIS A WELL VISITED SITE. AND I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING DR. WESTON MENTIONED THAT SHOULD HAPPEN LOCALLY, STATEWIDE, AND EVEN NATIONALLY WHERE THIS COULD BECOME A GO-TO PLACE. WHAT ARE THE PROVISIONS IF IT DOES BECOME A GO-TO PLACE WHERE THE UNINITIATED HAVING VISITED DALLAS, PERHAPS FOR A FAMILY REUNION OR PERHAPS TOURING WITH A TALK TOUR OR SOMETHING, AND THEY HEAR ABOUT THIS TERRIFIC PLACE AND DECIDE NOT KNOWING THAT THERE'S ONLY 18 PARKING PLACES AND LIMITED TO SOMETHING LIKE 54 PEOPLE, THEY SHOW UP. WHO AT WHITE ROCK CHAPEL IS ON THE POINT TO TAKE ACTION? IS THAT IN THE HANDS OF THE NEIGHBORS TO CALL THE POLICE OR CALL THE TOWN TO FIX WHAT OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT EXPECTED? BOB, IF YOU COULD WRAP UP PLEASE. YOU'RE OVERTIME. I WILL. SO THANK YOU. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND THEN LAST IS THE ENFORCEMENT. WE, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS SITUATIONS IN CELESTIAL PARK WITH PICTURE TAKING WEDDINGS AND SO FORTH, AND THE POLICE DO COME AFTER CALLED BY THE NEIGHBORS, BUT THERE'S NO FOLLOW UP AFTER THAT. AND MANY TIMES THOSE CROWDS DO NOT DISPERSE IMMEDIATELY. SO THE CRITICAL THING IN MY MIND IS ENFORCEMENT OF THE SS U P, BOTH BY WHITE ROCK CHAPEL AND BY THE TOWN OF ADDISON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOB. NEXT UP WE HAVE SUZANNE OLIVER. I WON'T GO OVER TIME, I PROMISE. UH, MARIN COUNSEL, MY NAME IS SUZANNE OLIVER. I LIVE AT 1 4 6 0 5 HEMMINGWAY COURT. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ADDISON FOR 29 YEARS. THIS MONTH I'M HERE TO SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR WHITE ROCK CHAPEL HISTORIC CHURCH BUILT IN THE 19, IN THE 18 HUNDREDS LONG BEFORE HOMES WERE BUILT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS SMALL CHAPEL SYMBOLIZES ADDISON'S LONG EXISTENCE, HISTORY AND INCLUSIVENESS. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF MEETING AND SPENDING TIME WITH DR. MRS. WE RECENTLY AND CONFIDENT, CONFIDENT THEY CAN BE TRUSTED AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. I'M DISAPPOINTED AND FRANKLY HORRIFIED THAT A SMALL GROUP OF RESIDENTS ARE FIGHTING THEIR REQUEST SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN FOR APPROVAL. EVEN AFTER SO MANY CONCESSIONS HAVE AGREED UPON, CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE ALSO BEGUN TO REFER TO OUR SMALL TOWN AS ADDISON WEST AND ADDISON EAST. FOR 21 YEARS, I HAVE FELT WE WERE 29 YEARS. I FELT WE WERE ONE TOWN, NOT TWO. I'M HOPEFUL [02:10:01] THAT THE COUNCIL WILL PROVE THEIR REQUEST AND WE CAN SHOW THE REST OF THE WORLD WHO THE MAJORITY OF ADDISON RESIDENTS REALLY ARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SUSIE. NEXT UP WE HAVE ROBERT KENTON OR EVENING BOB. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BOB CANNER. I RESIDE AT 1 4 8 5 3 WYNWOOD AND HAVE BEEN FOR 10 YEARS. I AM FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAS MET WITH THE TOWN AND WITH THE WESSON TEAM. I BELIEVE MR. GAINES AND MR. SCHMIDT CAN ATTEST TO THAT AND I KNOW DR. WESSON CAN ATTEST TO THAT. UM, I HAVE DONE SO WITH THE GOAL OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE CHURCH IS AS CLOSE TO THE HISTORICALLY SMALL CHURCH, TO WHICH I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN GARDNER REFERRED TO AS POSSIBLE. THAT CHURCH, ACCORDING TO NEIGHBORS OF MINE WHO'VE BEEN HERE A LOT LONGER THAN I HAVE, INCLUDING MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, STU AND KAY BEATTY, WHO CANNOT BE HERE BECAUSE OF HIS PHYSICAL CONDITION, BUT WHO HAVE BEEN IN MADISON SINCE, SINCE THE 1970S, TELLING ME THE CHURCH WAS 10 TO 15 TO 20 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE DURING THEIR TIME OF TIME OF GOING TO THE CHURCH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO 54 PEOPLE FOR A CHURCH SERVICE AND 90 FOR EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES. THAT'S A BIG JUMP. BUT THE TWO, THE TWO S E P CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOT PRESENT, THAT THAT BOTHER ME, AND THE REASON WHY I OPPOSE THE OPPOSITION ARE THE FOLLOWING. MS. HUNT BLAMED THE TOWN FOR THERE NOT BEING A PROHIBITION ON EX-CONVICTS WORKING ON THE SITE. AND BY THE WAY, DR. WESSON MAKES IT CLEAR THERE WILL BE EX-CONVICTS WORKING ON THE SITE. THAT'S NOT A DISPUTE. AS A, AS A, AS AN ATTEMPT TO COMPROMISE ON THIS, WE ASKED DR. UH, BOB GOODFRIEND, LIKE ME, A RETIRED LAWYER, ASK MS. HUNT, WOULD YOU AGREE TO EXCLUDE CONVICTS WHO'VE BEEN CONVICTED OF VIOLENT CRIMES SUCH AS ASSAULT, SEXUAL ACT CRIMES SUCH AS RAPE, ROBBERY, KIDNAPPING. THEY REFUSED. ANY COMPROMISE ON ANY OF THOSE CATEGORIES REFUSED. WE CAN ONLY ASSUME I THINK, THAT THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ATTITUDE OF DR. WESSON AT A PUBLIC MEETING SEEMS TO BE, WELL, YOU PROBABLY HAD 'EM IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE. SO WHAT'S THE BIG, IF WE HAVE A FEW MORE, I DON'T SHARE THAT LOGIC. I MEAN, IF MY NEIGHBORS DON'T EITHER. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING IN THE SUB, AND BY THE WAY, THEY DID AGREE IN THIS SUB TO A CONDITION AGAINST PRO PROGRAMS FOR, FOR EX-CONVICTS, BUT THEY WOULDN'T AGREE TO CONSTRUCTION, WHICH, WHICH DR. WE SAYS WILL TAKE MONTHS. I HOPE THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL CRIME, BUT MY ATTITUDE HAS BEEN, IF THERE EVER IS ONE CRIME AGAINST ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS, I WANNA MAKE DARN SHORT AT EVERYTHING. I COULD TRY AND PREVENT IT. AND I HOPE YOU HAVE THE SAME ATTITUDE. THE OTHER IS, ANOTHER ISSUE IS 90 PEOPLE IS TOO MANY FOR THIS PROPERTY. FOUR OR FIVE SCHOOL BUSES IS TOO MUCH. THE FACT THAT THEY'LL NOTIFY THE TOWN OF FOUR OR FIVE SCHOOL BUSES COMING DOESN'T HELP MUCH, BUT THERE'S NO NO INDICATION TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN. SO THE FOUR OR FIVE SCHOOL BUSES WILL COME AND BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ALL BE PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT FOR 18 CARS, THEY'LL BE IN AND THEY'LL BE OUT TWICE TO DROP OFF AND PICK UP TOO MUCH TRAFFIC. TOO MUCH DISRUPTION. AND A FEW OTHER FINAL COMMENTS IN, IN CONCLUDING 'CAUSE BY TIME IS SHORT, NOTABLY MISSING FROM THE HISTORY IS THE 1958 DEEDED FROM THE NOEL FAMILY TO, TO A DIFFERENT CHURCH. IT CONTAINED RESTRICTIONS THAT CHURCH, NOT THIS CHURCH, THAT CHURCH WAS NOT TO SELL THAT PROPERTY. IT'S BEEN SOLD THREE TIMES SINCE THEN, INCLUDING TWICE BY WESTERN ENTITIES. IT WAS ALSO TO BE USED FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES ONLY. NOTHING SAID ABOUT EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES OR ANYTHING ELSE. NOW, YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, AS SOMEONE SAID EARLIER, THIS IS NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT OUR ISSUE. THE PROBLEM IS YOUR ORDINANCES REQUIRE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DISCLOSURE OF DEEDED RESTRICTIONS IN THE APPLICATION. THEY'RE NOT PRESENT IN THE APPLICATION. THERE'S NO MENTION WHATSOEVER IN THERE. AND DR. WESSON AGREED WITH ME IN A PUBLIC MEETING THAT HE'D MADE NO EFFORT WHATSOEVER TO TRY AND REACH OUT TO THE PRIOR GRANTORS TO TRY AND HAVE THOSE, THOSE JURISDICTIONS REMOVED. TWO OTHER VERY QUICKLY PROBLEMS WITH THE APPLICATION ARE THE APPLICANT IS ROB BALDWIN. UNDER YOUR ORDINANCES, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS TO BE AN OWNER, TENANT OR PROPOSED PROSPECTIVE BUYER, OR ROB BALDWIN WAS NONE OF THOSE. AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTIES LISTED AS DR. WESSON WITH WHITE ROCK CHAPEL OF DALLAS INC. THE PURPORTED PROPERTY OWNERS, WHITE ROCK CHAPEL OF ADDISON INC. NOT DALLAS, INC. SO YOU HAVE THE WRONG APPLICANT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, BOB. NEXT UP WE'LL CALL ON JOHN OLIVER. THANK YOU MAYOR COUNSEL, UH, JOHN OLIVER, 1 4 6 0 5 HEMINGWAY COURT IN ADDISON. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE SS U P, UH, IN VIEW OF THE HOUR. AND THEN MOST, MOST OF MY COMMENTS WOULD BE REPETITIOUS ANYWAY. TO ME, THE MOST OVERRIDING PROVISIONS ARE THE APPLICANT [02:15:01] HAS BEEN OVER BACKWARDS TO COMPLY WITH THE CREDIT REQUEST REQUESTED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE TOWN. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TOWN HOLDS THE HAMMER. IF HE DOESN'T COMPLY, GIVE HIM THE HAMMER. SO THAT WON'T HAPPEN. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOHN. IS EVERYBODY HANGING IN HERE? OKAY. DO WE NEED TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK OR WE CAN GO FOR A LITTLE BIT? VERY GOOD. WE'LL KEEP MO WE'LL KEEP MOVING FOR A LITTLE BIT. NEXT UP WE HAVE ROBERT GOODFRIEND, UH, MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ROBERT GOODFRIEND AND I RESIDE AT 1 4 7 2 5 CELESTIAL PLACE. AND LIKE MY FRIEND BOB CANNER, I'M ALSO WAS A MEMBER OF THE TEAM THAT HELPED TO NEGOTIATE THE SUB THAT'S BEFORE YOU. THAT I MUST SAY, WHEN I BEGAN THIS JOURNEY, I WAS AGAINST THE CHURCH PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD CREATE. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE CHURCH HAD A RIGHT TO BE HERE IF IT WAS A SMALL CHURCH, AS DR. WESSON SAID. AND SO I BECAME INVOLVED SO THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND AS ANGELA HUNT HAS DEMONSTRATED, UH, THE, THERE WERE MANY, MANY ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE INTRODUCED IN THIS FINAL VERSION THAT IS FAR SUPERIOR TO WHAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE P AND Z. ORIGINALLY, THE SUGGESTED OCCUPANCY WAS TO BE 90 PERSONS. THEN WHEN IT WENT THROUGH P N C, IT WAS REDUCED TO 72. AND NOW DR. WESSON HAS AGREED TO 54. 54 IS EMINENTLY REASONABLE BECAUSE THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY THAT MANY SEATS IN THE CHAPEL. AND THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS FOR 72 AND 90 OCCUR ONLY 18 DAYS DURING THE YEAR. YOU'VE GOT EVERY OTHER MONTH FOR THE, UH, CONCURRENT YOUTHS WORSHIP SERVICES AND ONCE A MONTH FOR THE EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES. THAT'S 18 DAYS WHERE SOMETHING IS ALLOWED ABOVE THE 54. SO I, I FEEL WE HAVE GREATLY MITIGATED THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, WHICH WAS OUR ORIGINAL CONCERN. ALSO, THE SUB CONTAINS, I WAS CONCERNED MYSELF ABOUT CONSTRUCTION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE HAD WIN-WIN AND BELT BELTLINE SHUT DOWN FOR A MONTH AND A HALF BY CONSTRUCTION. AND THERE IS A PROVISION IN THIS SUB THAT IF CONSTRUCTION OR OTHER TOWN ACTIVITIES, ACTIVITIES IMPACT OR ARE IMPACTED BY THE CHURCH'S ACTIVITIES IN ANY WAY THAT THE TOWN HAS THE ABILITY TO, TO INFORM THE CHURCH THAT SOME SORT OF RESTRICTIONS MAY BE NECESSARY. AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO I WANNA SAY THIS, THAT, UM, AN, UH, ANGELA HUNT AND THE WESSONS HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY REASONABLE. THEY'VE BEEN TOUGH, BUT THEY'VE BEEN FAIR IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS. AND ALSO THE, THE, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER AND KEN SCHMIDT, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WYATT WITT, HAVE REALLY WORKED WITH US TO, TO GET RESTRICTIONS IN THE SUB THAT I THINK WILL MAKE THIS CHURCH, UH, WORK. AND I THINK WE SHOULD WELCOME DR. WESSON AND WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE CHURCH. IF ON, IF, HOWEVER, YOU ARE GOING TO TURN DOWN THIS SUB, I WOULD URGE YOU TO TURN IT NOW DOWN, NOT ON THE MERITS, BUT TO TURN IT DOWN BECAUSE OF DEFECTS IN THE APPLICATION. AND I SAY THIS ONLY BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, IT WILL HELP AVOID LITIGATION AND GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER NEGOTIATE. AND THERE ARE TWO OTHER BRIEF REASONS AND THEN I'M, I'M DONE. I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY WHO ORIGINALLY OBJECTED TO THE CHURCH, MIGHT WITHDRAW THEIR OBJECTIONS, IN WHICH CASE A MAJORITY OF THIS BODY COULD VOTE TO APPROVE, UH, THE CHURCH. AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IF TWO MEMBERS OF THIS BODY VOTE AGAINST IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD [02:20:01] HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. AND DR. WESSON HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK APPROVAL OF THIS SUB. AND IF YOU TURN IT DOWN, NOT ON THE MERITS, BUT FOR DEFECTS IN THE APPLICATION, IT WILL AVOID IN MY JUDGMENT, IMMEDIATE LITIGATION ON THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I HOPE YOU APPROVE THIS UP. I HEARTILY ENDORSE IT. THANK YOU, ROBERT. NEXT UP WE HAVE BILL PRATT. DID YOU WANNA USE THAT OTHER LECTERN OVER THERE? YOU'RE WELCOME TO IF YOU LIKE. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL PEOPLE. I LIVE AT 1 4 7 1 0 CELESTIAL PLACE. I'M AT THE VERY END OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC. UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND REALLY ONLY CONCERN IS, UH, MY FATHER MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE IN 2000 AND HE PASSED AWAY AND WILLED IT TO MY, UH, MYSELF AND MY DECEASED WIFE IN 2003. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE LIVED. UM, WHAT IS THIS GONNA DO TO OUR REAL ESTATE VALUES? UH, I'VE TALKED TO SOME BANKERS, UH, PRIVATELY ABOUT THIS ISSUE, AND THEY SAID IT, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT, WE COULD LOSE, UH, 20% VALUATION, WHICH MEANS WE COULD HAVE A DEVALUATION IN THE TAX BASIS AND LESS TAXES PAID ON. YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, UH, HOME VALUES THAT DOES CONCERN ME. UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I AM, I LIKE THE IDEA. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT I KNOW WHAT MY PROPERTY VALUES WENT FROM 2003 TO 2013. UH, I, I LIKE THE DECREASE IN TAXES, BUT, UH, NOT THIS WAY. SO, UH, I KNOW YOU'LL REACH THE RIGHT DECISION. I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE, UH, THING TONIGHT, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL. NEXT UP WE HAVE GEORGE DAVIS KING JR. COUNCIL MEMBERS MAYOR. UM, MY NAME IS GEORGE KING, UH, AND I'M A PASTOR IN SOUTH DALLAS, AND WE MOVED HERE IN OCTOBER. MR. KING, COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE THOUGH? I, I'M SORRY. UH, 1 4 9 2 9 HAVEN SHIRE PLACE. THANK YOU. UH, WE MOVED IN OCTOBER 21, AND WE WERE REALLY SURPRISED THAT WE WERE EVEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE WERE LOOKING FOR AN A HOME TO, TO MOVE TO, AND THE OPPORTUNITY CAME ABOUT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE A HOUSE ON HAVEN SHIRE, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHY WE WERE ALLOWED TO BE HERE. AND OVER THE MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A PART OF A COMMUNITY THAT WAS MOVING SOMEWHERE AND NOT PHYSICALLY, BUT MOVING TO A, A HIGHER LEVEL. AND WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN, MY WIFE AND I WERE SO SURPRISED AT OUR NEIGHBORS , THEY INVITED THEMSELVES TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. AND WE HADN'T HAD THAT HAPPEN EVEN IN, IN DALLAS. AND IT PUT, IT MADE US ASSURED THAT WE WERE AT, AT THE PLACE THAT WE WANTED TO BE. THE PROBLEM THAT, THAT I'M FACED WITH IS THE NARRATIVE THAT IS BEING SPUN. A A GOOD NARRATIVE REQUIRES AT AT LEAST THREE THINGS, TRUTH, HONESTY, AND INTEGRITY. AND THROUGH MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE, UM, BEEN DEALING WITH IN, IN THIS ISSUE, WE, WE SIDE WITH THE LORD AND NOT THE CITY. [02:25:01] AND IT'S NOT AGAINST WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF. 'CAUSE WE ARE AFRAID TOO. WHEN WE FIRST WERE APPROACHED ABOUT THE, THE PETITION, UM, WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. AND, AND AS TIME WENT ON, WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF IT. AND THE LAST TIME I SHARED THAT, IN ORDER FOR THE CHURCH TO BE A CHURCH IN THE COMMUNITY, IT HAS TO BE MARRIED TO THE COMMUNITY. AND WITHOUT IT BEING, UH, AT THE LEVEL THAT WE CAN COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER, THE PROBLEM GETS TO THE POINT WHERE WE LOSE OUR INTEGRITY WITH THE REST OF THE CITY AND EVEN AMONG OUR OWN CI UM, UM, RESIDENTS. AND I SUGGEST THAT, THAT YOU, YOU NOT LOOK AT WHAT OUR FEARS ARE, BUT LOOK AT WHAT THE PROMISES OF WHAT COULD BE. BECAUSE EVERY CHURCH STARTED SOMEWHERE AND THERE WAS ALWAYS OPPOSITION TO IT. AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A WEALTH OF RESOURCES THAT OUR NATION NEEDS SOMEBODY TO STAND UP AND SAY, NOT THIS TIME. AND I JUST, I JUST ASK YOU TO PRAYERFULLY CONSIDER IT AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, GEORGE. NEXT UP, HOWARD FREED. HELLO MAYOR. HELLO, COUNCILMAN. MY NAME'S HOWARD FREE. I LIVE AT 1 4 9 3 2 WYNWOOD ROAD. UM, I APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I DELIVERED A COUPLE PETITIONS TO EVERYONE, 150 PEOPLE ON ONE, I THINK ALMOST 90 ON THE OTHER ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. AND, UM, I'M ONE OF THOSE. SO, UM, I GUESS JUST BY A SHOW OF HANDS, WHEN THE PEOPLE OPPOSE TO THIS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THE PEOPLE OPPOSED. I JUST WANT TO SEE, UH, HOWARD, IF YOU WOULD JUST PLEASE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, NOT, I'M SORRY, NOT THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE. I'M OKAY. WELL, UM, I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT MET WITH THE WESSONS. UM, I GOT INVOLVED BECAUSE SOME NEIGHBORS GOT ME INVOLVED AND I STARTED STUDYING AND LEARNING AND I, I, I, UH, GOT INVOLVED. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, THE CHAPEL, THE CHRISTIAN CHAPEL CHURCH MADE SENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 50 YEARS AGO, THE CHURCH MADE SENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS FARMLAND BACK THEN WITH VERY FEW HOMES. TODAY THERE'S 123 HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ONLY TWO EXITS. A SMALL CHURCH NO LONGER MAKES SENSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AS FOR THE RICH CULTURAL HERITAGE, THE CHAPEL THAT EXISTS TODAY WAS BUILT IN 1981. IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, NOR IS IT IN THE ORIGINAL SITE WHERE THE CHURCH WAS. UH, DR. WESSON IS NOT A DESCENDANT OF THE FORMER SLAVES AND THE FREEDMEN THAT WORKED THIS LAND AND ATTENDED THIS CHURCH. HE'S, HE'S WRONG ABOUT PUTTING HIS NONPROFIT CIVIL RIGHTS ACTION SOCIAL ACTION ADVOCACY GROUP IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. HE NEEDS TO PUT IT NEXT TO THE CEMETERY, WHERE THE FORMER SLAVES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS ARE ACTUALLY BURIED EXCEPT, UM, THAT THE ACTUAL DESCENDANTS OF THE FORMER SLAVES SOLD THAT LAND TO DEVELOPERS WHO BUILT APARTMENTS THERE. THEY WEREN'T VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PRESERVING THEIR OWN HISTORY. IN 1991, THE TOWN OF ADDISON PASSED AN ORDINANCE ZONING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING THAT PROPERTY AT 55 55 CELESTIAL. AND IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PERMIT PERMITTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND JUST A FEW OTHER USES. OUR ZONING DOES NOT PERMIT CHURCHES AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS BASED ON THE ZONING PASSED BY THE TOWN OF ADDISON M AND MICHELLE MUNI, WHO DEVELOPED HALF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THOSE OF US WHO, UH, LIVE HERE BOUGHT OR BUILT OUR HOMES KNOWING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS OWNED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD CHURCH WAS GRANDFATHERED, BUT IT HAD DEEDED RESTRICTIONS, WHICH SAID THAT IT EVER STOPPED BEING THE CHRISTIAN CHAPEL CHURCH. THE LAND WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE GRANTOR. THE DEEDED SPECIFICALLY SAID THE LAND COULD NOT BE SOLD OR CONVEYED FOR ANY REASON. [02:30:01] SO IF THE CHURCH STOPPED OPERATING AFTER 1991 LAND WOULD BE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY. THE CHURCH LEFT OF ITS OWN ACCORD. SOMEHOW DR. WESSON BOUGHT IT. UM, UH, THE DEEDED, THE CURRENT DEEDED WAS PREPARED BY ROYCE ROYCE WEST, WHO'S A BOARD MEMBER OF, UH, WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. THE DEEDED SAYS THAT WEST HAS NOT ORDERED OR EXAMINED TITLE OF THE PROPERTY, HAS MADE NO OTHER INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THE TITLE OF THE PROPERTY, PREPARED THE DEED BASED ON INFORMATION DOCUMENTS FURNISHED TO WESTIN ASSOCIATES, AND MAKES NO REPRESENTATION OR WARRANTY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED REGARDING THE PROPERTY OR THE VALIDITY OF ITS TITLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CONSIDER GRANTING A ZONING CHANGE TO AN APPLICANT WITH SUCH A TITLE. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT WITH 90 PEOPLE LEAVING THE CHURCH AT ONE TIME, HOW HARD, HARD IF YOU COULD WRAP UP PLEASE, YOUR OVERTIME, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS PROPERTY THAT BENEFITS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE TOWN OF ADDISON. SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, THE TOWN COULD RECEIVE TAX DOLLARS IF HOMES WERE BUILT, THIS, UM, PROPERTY WILL CAUSE MORE EXPENSE TO THE TOWN WITH POLICE AND THE PROPERTY VALUES WILL PLUMMET. UM, UH, I HOPE YOU DO THE RIGHT THING AND TURN THIS DOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HOWARD. NEXT UP, RON WHITEHEAD. OKAY. HONORABLE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS RON WHITEHEAD. OUR HOME IS AT 39 19. BOB AND LANG. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT ADDISON'S RELATIONSHIP WITH WHITE ROCK CHAPEL AND THE CHAPEL'S RELATIONSHIP WITH US WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT LINCOLN CALLED BEING TOUCHED BY THE BETTER ANGELS OF OUR NATURE. FOR 40 YEARS I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE AND BOTH SAINTS AND SINNERS HAVE CROSSED OVER THE THRESHOLD OF THIS SPECIAL PLACE WITHOUT CAUSING ANY TROUBLE FOR THE CITIZENS OF ADDISON'S ADDISON. YEARS AGO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS OPPOSED TO BUILDING STANFORD COURT FOR MANY OF THE SAME REASONS I HAVE HEARD TODAY. TOO MUCH TRAFFIC CRIME. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE THAT WILL BE COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE COUNCIL APPROVED IT AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND MANY OF THESE SAME FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT LIVE THERE AND PROBABLY ARE OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST. SO I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN TO WEDDINGS AND FUNERALS AND I'VE BEEN TO SPECIAL EVENTS HERE WITHOUT INCIDENT. DECADES OF MAYORS AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ADDISON EMPLOYEES AND CITIZENS FROM ALL OVER HAVE ATTENDED HERE. AND I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT I'VE BEEN THERE WITH 90 PEOPLE, UH, I'VE BEEN THERE WITH 70 PEOPLE. I'VE BEEN THERE WITH 80 PEOPLE. SO THE, THE REPRESENTATION THAT IT'S ONLY BEEN 10 AND 15 PEOPLE IS JUST NOT TRUE. AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE 40 YEARS, I'VE SEEN IT. UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT. UM, IT IS, THIS CHAPEL HAS NOT ONLY JUST BEEN, UH, THE CHURCH IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS THE ONLY ONE IN TOWN AND LOTS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER ADDISON VALUE ITS EXISTENCE. WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS, YOU HAVE A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF. AND I ASK THAT YOU ACT ON THIS REQUEST, THIS NOT TONIGHT. THAT'S BEFORE YOU AND YOU ACT IN A TIMELY MANNER TO APPROVE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, RON. NEXT UP, MARSHALL ROBBINS. MARSHALL ROBBINS, I LIVE AT 1 4 7 7 0 MAIDEN COURT. UM, I AM SURE THAT TONIGHT YOU HAVE OR WILL HEAR A LOT OF VALID STATEMENTS EXPLAINING WHY CONCERNED ADDISON RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT THIS PROPOSED ZONING, UH, REQUEST APPROVED, ALL OF WHICH I AGREE WITH. SO I WANT TO CHANGE THE DIALOGUE SLIGHTLY TO DISCUSS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE WITHIN ADDISON [02:35:01] TODAY. AND THAT IS THE LACK OF ENFORCEMENT OF OUR PARK ORDINANCES AND OUR PARKING REGULATIONS, ESPECIALLY AROUND CELESTIAL PARK. WHENEVER WE CALL THE POLICE TO REPORT VIOLATIONS AND SAFETY CONCERNS, AN OFFICER WILL DRIVE BY AND NOTHING HAPPENS. THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT WHATSOEVER. LIKEWISE, THIS TOWN COUNCIL, OR LAST YEAR'S TOWN COUNCIL PASSED AN UPDATED PARK ORDINANCE THAT DEFINES THE USE OF ADDISON PARKS AND CLEARLY DEFINES ACTIVITIES THAT CAN AND CANNOT TAKE PLACE WHEN A UNAPPROVED ACTIVITIES ARE IN PLACE. THERE IS NO ONE TO CALL FOR ENFORCEMENT. IN FACT, THE POLICE STATED TO ME THAT THEY WOULD NOT ENFORCE CERTAIN ACTIVITIES IN OUR PARKS SINCE IT MIGHT BE PERCEIVED AS RACIST. SO, AND NOW YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS SS U P WITH ALL SORTS OF RESTRICTIONS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE ENFORCED. I'M SURE THE POLICE WILL NOT ENFORCE THESE RESTRICTIONS OR MONITOR THEM OR MONITOR ACTIVITY. AND I'M ALSO SURE THAT THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT HAVE A STAFF AVAILABLE FOR ENFORCEMENT EITHER. ANYWAY, BESIDES, AS I AM SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT ONCE YOU IDENTIFY THIS PROPERTY AS A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION, ALL OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE UNENFORCEABLE AND MEANINGLESS ANYWAY. THIS REQUEST DOES NOT BRING, BRING ANY VALUE TO THIS ADDISON NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR DOES IT BRING ANY VALUE TO ANY ADDISON RESIDENT OR TO THE TOWN OF ADDISON. IT ONLY EXACERBATES THE MENTIONED ENFORCEMENT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TODAY WITH OUR STAFF. THE ONLY VALUE ACCRUES TO A NON ADDISON DEVELOPER AND HIS VISION FOR ADDISON. SO I RESPECTIVELY REQUEST THAT YOU SIMPLY VOTE NO AND NOT APPROVE THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE JIM DUFFY. MY NAME IS JIM DUFFY. I LIVE AT 38 87 RIDGE LAKE COURT HERE IN ADDISON. I I'M HERE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTEND. UANT IS HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU MY SUPPORT FOR THE REQUESTED SS U P AT WHITE PARK CHAPEL. THIS IS MY 40TH YEAR OF LIVING IN ADDISON. SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT WHITE ROCK CHAPEL HAS BEEN IN THEIR LOCATION 115 YEARS OR IN SOME SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION. THEY HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE ADDISON EXISTED. THEY WERE HERE BEFORE THIS AREA WAS EVEN PART OF ADDISON. THEY WERE HERE BEFORE THE ZONING IN QUESTION WAS PUT IN PLACE. THEY WERE HERE WELL BEFORE THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING IT EXISTED. THIS IS A HISTORICAL AFRICAN AMERICAN CHURCH AND IT DESERVES SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN THE MANY YEARS THAT HAS BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND PART OF THE FABRIC OF ADDISON. THE PRESENTATION STATES IN THE S U P THAT WAS GIVEN EARLIER SAYS THAT THE S U P IN QUEST PROVIDES FAR MORE PROTECTION FOR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER PROTECTING WHITE ROCK CHAPEL FROM SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. I'VE READ DR. WESTON'S LETTER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S CLEAR HE HAS GONE OVERBOARD IN TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE OBJECTIONS MADE. AND, AND SOME OWNERS, HOMEOWNERS, THE LEVEL OF CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS ARE SO STRINGENT AND UNREASONABLE THAT IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO DO IT IN THEIR OWN HOMES. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOLLOW THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR [02:40:01] PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND APPROVE THIS SS U P REQUEST. IN CLOSING, I HAVE A QUESTION, AND I KNOW IN THIS FORMAT YOU CAN'T ENTER, BUT PERHAPS YOU CAN CONSIDER IT IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS. WHY IS AN S U P WITH THESE PROHIBITIONS REQUIRED CONSIDERING THE PROPERTY WAS IN USE BEFORE THE ZONING WAS PLACED ON IT? WHY WASN'T IT SIMPLY DESIGNATED AS A NON-CONFORMING USE UNDER THE BUILDING CODE? WE HAVE BUILDINGS ALL OVER TOWN THAT ARE SO DESIGNATED AND SOME OF THEM ARE ABANDONED. WHY DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND BUILDINGS AND WHY DOES IT NOT FALL UNDER THAT CONSIDERATION? THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF MY THOUGHTS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, JIM. NEXT UP WE HAVE MARYLEE MADDEN. I HOPE I PRONOUNCED THE LAST NAME CORRECTLY. MY GUESS IS I DIDN'T THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARYLEE MADON AND I LIVE WITH MY HUSBAND JEFF LEGO AT 1 4 9 0 0 1 WOOD. SO I AM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE CHURCH IS LOCATED. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS CALLED SPOT ZONING. AND I WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT WAS. OKAY. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR 10 YEARS. I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH AND FRANKLY AT THE BEGINNING OF MY RESIDENCE IN, IN, IN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CHURCH WAS FUNCTIONING AND IT DID HAVE VERY FEW MEMBERS. AND NO, I NEVER SAW 90 PEOPLE THERE OR ANYTHING ELSE. I VERY SAW VERY MORE THAN FIVE CARS THERE. AND, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE WAS NO FURTHER CHURCH, NO FURTHER CHURCH SERVICES THERE. IT WAS ABANDONED. NOW WHEN I, WITH THE CHURCH THERE AND WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND WE LOOKED ALL OVER DA DALLAS BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WAS, IT'S AN OASIS FRANKLY. IT IS A SMALL COMMUNITY. IT IS A BASICALLY PARK AREA. AND FRANKLY, IT'S, WE'RE AT BELTLINE AND PRESTON. IT'S AN AMAZING, UH, OASIS OF CALM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENTITLED TO IS QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY, QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY. NOW, THE SMALL CHURCH THAT WAS THERE DIDN'T DISTURB THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY. WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT THREE TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE ON THE PROPERTY AND SOME MORE THAN THAT. TWO, WE'RE BRINGING IN BUSES OF SCHOOL, CHILDREN, ET CETERA, UH, INTO THE PROPERTY. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THERE IS MUCH MORE ACTIVITY IN THE CHURCH THAN THERE HAS BEEN BEFORE. SO IT IS NOT AN EQUAL SITUATION OF AT ALL. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENTITLED TO ITS QUIET ENJOYMENT. IT IS ENTITLED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT QUIET ENJOYMENT. AND I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT AUTHORIZING THIS SUB DOES NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT OF QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO VOTE. NO. THANK YOU MAYOR LEE. I, I APOLOGIZE FOR MISPRONOUNCING YOUR LAST NAME. I AM QUITE USED TO IT. USUALLY I JUST SAY IT'S MADON, THAT'S MADONNA WITHOUT THE NAH AND THE MONEY . I'M, I'M ALSO USED TO SOME MISPRONUNCIATIONS. NEXT UP WE HAVE ANN TI MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ANN SUTH. I LIVE AT 39 19 WINTER PARK IN ADDISON, TEXAS. I SERVED ON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR SIX YEARS IN THE NINETIES AND ON THE ADDISON TOWN COUNCIL FOR FOUR YEARS. WHEN I WAS ON P AND Z I READ ALL THE ZONING DOCUMENTATION. I'M SURE YOU UN SOME OF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS AND VISITED THE SITES. THUS, I READ ABOUT THE, I READ THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THEN VISITED WHITE ROCK CHAPEL SITE [02:45:01] YESTERDAY MORNING. I DISCOVERED IT IS A TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION SITE. THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION'S WEBSITE STATES WE SAVE THE REAL PLACES THAT TELL THE REAL STORIES OF TEXAS. OUR STAFF CONSULTS WITH CITIZENS AND ORGANIZATIONS TO PRESERVE TEXAS HISTORY. THROUGH ITS ARCHITECTURAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL AND CULTURAL LANDMARKS. THE AGENCY IS RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY FOR ITS PRESERVATION PROGRAMS. I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT BLACK HISTORY AND RACIAL JUSTICE. I TAUGHT AT ST. ANTHONY CATHOLIC SCHOOL IN SOUTH DALLAS. ALL MY STUDENTS WERE BLACK. I TAUGHT KINDERGARTEN THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE WITH THEIR TEACHERS IN THE COMPUTER LAB. THAT'S WHERE I LEARNED ALL MY, UH, UH, BLACK HISTORY WAS WHEN MY STUDENTS DID REPORTS. UM, OUR NATIONAL TEST SCORES INCREASED 34% IN THREE YEARS. IN ADDITION, I RECEIVED A NATIONAL IN VOCATION IN TECHNOLOGY AWARD IN 2002 FOR STAFF DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S 'CAUSE THE TEACHERS CAME IN WITH THEIR THEIR KIDS. CURRENTLY I'M WORKING, UH, IN MY CHURCH TO PROMOTE RACIAL JUSTICE. I'M PROUD OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND I COMMEND THE TOWN OF ADDISON STAFF FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AS WELL, I HAVE READ DR. WESSON'S LETTER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I BELIEVE HE IS ACTING IN GOOD FAITH. I ASK THOSE OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL TO VOTE TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE, UH, PERMIT FOR THIS HISTORIC LANDMARK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION. AND I MADE IT UNDER THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, ANN. NEXT UP IS DAN CONDOS. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS CONDOS, DANIEL CONDOS. I LIVE AT 5 5 4 5 CELESTIAL ROAD. SO I AM IN THE CROSSHAIRS. IF THERE ARE CROSSHAIRS AND I'M THE CLOSEST TO THE CHURCH THAN ANYONE ELSE. I GAVE YOU A FOLDER, EACH OF YOU A FOLDER. I ASKED THAT IT BE PASSED OUT WHERE I'VE PUT SOME PHOTOS IN SHOWING THE DISTANCE FROM MY KITCHEN PATIO TO MY BRICK WALL TO THE ANNEX BUILDING TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT I'M CONFRONTED WITH. I ALSO PUT A LETTER IN THERE FROM ONE OF THREE REALTORS THAT HAVE TOLD ME THIS APPROVAL OF THIS SUB WELL IMPACT PROPERTY VALUES. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND A FEW PEOPLE SPOKE ABOUT THAT TODAY. NOW THE WESSONS ARE VERY, VERY NICE. FROM THE FIRST TIME I MET DR. WESSON AND HIS WIFE AT THE FIRST TIME IN, AT THE, UH, ANNEX, THAT BUILDING, UH, THEY WERE VERY NICE. UH, AND IN FACT, I SAW YOU A FEW WEEKS AGO AT, UH, NORTH PARK AND I STOPPED TO SAY HELLO, BUT YOU WERE ON THE PHONE. SO I RESPECT YOU ALL VERY MUCH. UM, BUT HERE'S THE THING. WHEN I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY IN 2008, I DID IT BY GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOKING AT WHAT WAS THERE. AND I LIKED VERY MUCH MY LOCATION. I LIKE THE CHURCH. I LIKE THE CHURCH. OKAY, I THINK I GOT IT NOW. I'D LIKE THE CHURCH AND THE MOST I'VE EVER SEEN, THANK YOU. THE MOST I'VE EVER SEEN AT THE CHURCH WERE MAYBE 12 OR 14 PEOPLE. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2008. I NEVER SAW 80, 90 OR 60 PEOPLE THERE AND ONLY MAYBE HALF A DOZEN CARS. UH, I EVEN WENT TO A COUPLE SERVICES. I THOUGHT THE PEOPLE WERE VERY, VERY NICE. AND, UH, I EVEN TRIED TO HELP OUT FINANCIALLY WITH THE PASTOR THAT WAS THERE. SO I DIDN'T LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS, UH, I HEARD EARLIER ABOUT POLITICS, A MINORITY, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE AGAINST, THEY'RE NOT DOING THINGS RIGHT OR WHATEVER IT IS. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. BUT I WILL SAY I ENJOYED THE QUIETUDE ALL THESE YEARS. [02:50:01] I ENJOYED BEING ABLE TO GO OUT ON MY PATIO FOR BREAKFAST. UH, MAYBE HAVE A DRINK LATER IN THE EVENING. NO NOISE, NO PROBLEMS. THAT'S ALL GONNA CHANGE REGARDLESS OF THE GOOD INTENTIONS YOU HAVE. IT'S GONNA CHANGE FOR ME NO MATTER HOW YOU CUT IT. TRAFFIC IS A DISRUPTION, IT'S A PROBLEM. I SEE IT BETTER THAN ANYONE EXCEPT THE POLICE THAT ARE GOING BY PRETTY OFTEN. IT'S A PROBLEM. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE OVER TIME. IF YOU COULD WRAP UP, PLEASE. IS MY TIME UP? YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ADJOURNING AND REVIEWING AND TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FOR OR AGAINST THIS. UM, I'VE HEARD, UH, SOME OF THOSE EMAILS SAYING, UH, UH, MOST PEOPLE ARE ARE FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. BUT ANYWAY, I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT VALUATION AS I INDICATED. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU DAN. NEXT UP IS MARY REED, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MARY REED, 37 78 VITRUVIAN WAY. I'VE BEEN THERE 17 YEARS. I ATTENDED THE LAST MEETING AND I LISTENED TO THE HOMEOWNER'S COMPLAINTS AND IN THIS MEETING, AND MANY OF THEM, UM, USE LANGUAGE LIKE SCARED OR TERRIFIED. AND WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THAT THEIR DECISION TO OPPOSE THE CHURCH IS BASED ON RAW EMOTION. FEAR. I MEAN, I GET IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN THINGS IN PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ARE CAN BE SCARY. AND KUDOS TO ONE OF THEM. I THINK IT WAS HOWARD FREE WHO, UM, CHOSE TO VISIT CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH WHERE THE PASTOR IS LOCATED, WHO IS GONNA BE ON THE BOARD OF WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. AND HE SAID HE HAD A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE. HE DID HIS RESEARCH. SO WHY HE CONTINUES TO OPPOSE THE CHURCH BEFUDDLES ME. MANY OF THE HOMEOWNERS ARE PROMINENT BUSINESSMEN AND WOMEN. THEY HAVE BUILT THEIR FORTUNES BY MAKING SOLID, WELL THOUGHT OUT, RATIONAL BUSINESS DECISIONS, NOT BASED ON RAW EMOTION. PROFOUND, DEEP ROOTED FEAR IS FOR YOUNG CHILDREN WHO ARE AFRAID OF THE DARK, NOT STRONG, INTELLIGENT ADULTS. I'M ASKING THE HOMEOWNERS TONIGHT NOT TO BE FEARFUL, TIMID, TREMBLING CHILDREN, BUT FEARLESS, BRAVE, COURAGEOUS ADULTS. THEY SHOULD BASE THEIR DECISION ON FACTS AND NOTHING ELSE. WHAT ARE THE FACTS? NUMBER ONE, WHITE ROCK CHAPEL WAS THERE BEFORE THEIR HOMES WERE BUILT. THEY KNEW THE CHURCH WAS THERE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOMES. NUMBER TWO, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT A PRIVATE GATED ENCLAVE. IT IS FULL OF PUBLIC STREETS AND PUBLIC PROPERTY. THEY KNEW THAT WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOMES. NUMBER THREE, DR. WESSON COULD HAVE OPENED WHITE ROCK CHAPEL IF THE S E P WAS APPROVED WITHOUT ASKING THEIR OPINION, BUT HE CHOSE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. NUMBER FOUR, DR. WESSON SCRAPPED HIS ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THE CHURCH AND CHOSE TO ACCOMMODATE ALMOST ALL OF THE SUGGESTIONS OF THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH WERE VERY RESTRICTIVE, AND HE MADE SIGNIFICANT COMPROMISES. NUMBER FIVE, THE HOMEOWNERS WERE PROMISED THAT IT WOULD ALWAYS BE A SMALL CHURCH, AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD CALL 54 TO PEOPLE A SMALL CHURCH. NUMBER SIX, THE FOREIGN ENTITY BEING DEBATED IS NOT A DRUG DEN. IT'S NOT THE LAYER OF MURDERERS AND THIEVES. IT'S NOT A C B D OIL, E-CIGARETTE, OR VAPE ESTABLISHMENT. IT'S NOT A AUTOBODY SHOP, A TATTOO PARLOR OR A PAWN SHOP. IT'S A SACRED PLACE, A HOUSE OF GOD WHERE PEOPLE COME TO WORSHIP THE ALMIGHTY. ALSO, I WANT THE HOMEOWNERS TO ASK THEMSELVES IF THEIR FORMER NEIGHBOR, FORMER DALLAS COWBOY ETT SMITH, WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THIS CHURCH. I'M ASKING THE HOMEOWNERS TO TONIGHT TO BE THE FEARLESS, CAPABLE, CLEVER ADULTS. I KNOW THEY CAN BE SKILLED AT MATURE DECISION MAKING BASED ONLY ON THE FACTS AND NOT THE RAW EMOTION OF A QUIVERING CHILD. IF YOU CAN'T TELL, I SUPPORT THE SS U P. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARY. NEXT UP, I'M GONNA PROBABLY MISPRONOUNCE THE LAST NAME AGAIN. JIM DEUR. JIM? YEAH. [02:55:03] HOW CLOSE DID I COME WITH THE LAST NAME? YEAH, IT'S NOT, NOT EVEN CLOSE. UH, . THAT'S FINE. . THANKS FOR THAT. I DIDN'T WANT TO TALK, BUT I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST HAD THE CONCERNS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAVE THE, THE SAFETY. IF YOU WOULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. 1 4 9 0 8 HAVEN SHARE PLACE. SO THE SECURITY AND THE ENFORCEMENT. I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN ENFORCED IN THE SPARKS PARKING LOTS, UH, NEAR THE PLACE. UM, ALL THOSE AREAS. SO THE SECURITY AND ENFORCEMENT IS MY CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'LL DO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THAT AND WORK FOR THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU JIM. AND NEXT WE HAVE JT MCPHERSON. ALL RIGHT, EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAYOR. UH, MY NAME IS J TEAM FIRST AND I RESIDE AT 1 4 5 1 7 WYNWOOD ROAD. UM, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO CUT THROUGH THIS BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID. I WANNA BE REDUNDANT AND I WANT TO DEFINITELY BE UNDER THREE MINUTES. . SINCE THE P N Z COMMISSION MEETING IN MAY, I'VE COME TO BETTER UNDERSTAND MANY OF THE FACTORS SURROUNDING THE S U P FROM ITS RESTRICTIONS TO ENFORCEMENT, WHILE ALSO CONSIDERING THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE CHURCH AND ITS MISSION AND PURPOSE. MY OVERARCHING CONCERN FOR THE APPROVAL THIS S U P HAS AND STILL IS THE THINGS THAT GO INTO A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE THAT I'VE COME TO ENJOY THE LAST TWO YEARS LIVING ON ONE WOOD. I'VE ALSO MENTIONED THESE THINGS IN EARLIER EMAILS AND LETTERS, SO I WON'T GO OVER THOSE FACTORS AGAIN. HOWEVER, AFTER DUE CONSIDERATION, I DON'T THINK THESE FEATURES WILL BE IMPACTED TO ANY NOTABLE DEGREE. SAVE TO NOISE, WHICH IS WHAT I MEAN BY NOISE IS EXCESSIVE AND CONSTANT AND PRIVACY FROM WHAT I CAN UNDERSTAND. AGAIN, WE ALL HAVE LIMITED UNDERSTANDING HERE. I DO NOT FORESEE THE FIRST ONE BEING AN ISSUE, EXCESSIVE CONSTANT NOISE. HOWEVER, PRIVACY MAY BE AN ISSUE. SINCE MY PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT, I'M THE OTHER GUY DIRECTLY ADJACENT WITH NO WALL, WITH NO FENCE. UM, MY PROPERTY ALSO SITS AT A LOWER ELEVATION THAN DOES THE CHURCH. I DO HOPE TO BUILD A POOL SOMEDAY. SO PRIVACY IS CERTAINLY A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. AND AS I HAVE JOKED WITH THE WEINS AND SOME OF YOU BEFORE, NO ONE WANTS TO SEE ME IN A BATHING SUIT, NOR DO I WANNA BE SEEN . UM, THE RESPONSE I GOT FROM THE WEINS WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME AND IF THE EXISTING ELEVATION WAS NOT UNDER THEIR CONTROL, WHICH IS VERY TRUE, IT'S NOT. THIS LED ME TO THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT SCENARIO OF WHICH I REALLY WANNA FOCUS IN ON TONIGHT. THAT IS OF A DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE. A SINGLE FAMILY HOME REGARDING TWO THINGS, NOISE AND PRIVACY. A TWO STORY HOUSE BUILT THERE IS IN ESSENCE A THREE STORY HOUSE WITH A DIRECT VIEW INTO MY BACKYARD. NO TREE, NO FENCE, NO TREES CAN MITIGATE THIS. A HOME WITH CONSTANT EXCESSIVE NOISE COMING FROM ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. I DID MOVE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH CONSISTS MOSTLY OF RETIREES AND EMPTY NESTERS FOR THE PEACE AND QUIET AS ONE OF THOSE FACTORS I MENTIONED EARLIER. THERE ARE CERTAINLY REBUTTALS TO WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT I BELIEVE I'VE THOUGHT MY REBUTTALS TO THOSE REBUTTALS THROUGH BEFORE SPEAKING TONIGHT. I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONCERNED ABOUT MY PROPERTY'S VALUE CONSIDERING I HAVE FOUGHT DALLAS COUNTY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS AND IT'S BEEN QUITE DIFFICULT CONSIDERING MARKET VALUES AND THINGS OF THOSE NATURE. LEMME JUST SAY TO THE WESSONS, THEY HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT GRACIOUS, HONEST AND OPEN-MINDED TO ME. AND LET ME ALSO SPEAK TO PRIOR EXPERIENCES IN OTHER PLACES. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH THOSE TWO ISSUES. AND THESE ARE NOT WHERE I LIVE NOW. THESE ARE OTHER AREAS. ONE TIME I SPOKE TO A NEIGHBOR ABOUT HIS DOG INCESSANTLY BARKING, WHICH COULD CERTAINLY HAPPEN WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. HE DID LITTLE TO CHANGE TO THAT AND NEVER SPOKE TO ME AGAIN. LET ME GO ON. UH, I'M, I GUESS I'M OVER MY THREE. UM, AND YOUR TIME IS, UH, YEAH, IF YOU CAN WRAP UP. UH, WHILE I WAS ON H O O ABOARD, I HAD TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE ABOUT WIND CHIMES ALL AT ALL HOURS. THAT WAS A LOSS OF A FRIENDSHIP. I'VE EVEN LIVED NEXT TO SOMEONE WHO BUILT A MAKESHIFT CARPENTER IN THEIR GARAGE. NOW ALL THESE ARE THINGS, BUT BRINGING UP SUCH ISSUES WITH NEIGHBORS CAN MAKE ME THE VILLAIN. LET ME JUST SAY, AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS FROM HOME AND ENJOYS THE PEACE AND QUIET, I DO NOT HAVE ANY SUCH WORRIES ABOUT BRINGING UP ANY ISSUES WITH THE WESSONS. UM, I RESPECT THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS. AND I CONCUR WITH MANY THINGS WITH THOSE IN SUPPORT. BUT LAST, IT'S NOT UP TO ME, BUT LET ME JUST SAY THE FUTURE BY DEFINITION IS UNCERTAIN, WHICH CAN CAUSE ANYONE ANXIETY ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. UH, BUT I MAKE MY DECISION BASED ON THE BEST GUESS OF WHAT THE FUTURE MAY HOLD. I AM IN FAVOR OF GRANTING THE S U P TO THE WESSON FAMILY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S IN YOUR HANDS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, JT. NEXT I HAVE [03:00:01] AL ANGEL, AND THIS IS THE LAST CARD I HAVE. IF, IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING OR I WILL GIVE ANYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU DID NOT FILL OUT A CARD. GOOD EVENING, ALL ANGEL. 1, 4, 5, 4 OH WINWOOD ROAD IN A HOME WE BUILT 19 YEARS AGO AROUND THE CORNER FROM WRIGHT ROCK CHAPEL. AND, UH, I WANT TO ADDRESS THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS PROJECT. THE COURT, WE VIEWED THE CHAPEL WHEN WE MOVED IN AS A REAL ASSET, A SYMBOL OF PEACE. AND I HEARD THE WORD TONIGHT A COUPLE TIMES, TRANQUILITY THE CHURCH HAD HAD FALLEN INTO HARD TIMES. AND THEN ALONG CAME DON AND WANDA WESSON TO TAKE FINANCIAL AND PERSONAL RISK TO RESTORE THE CHURCH TO ITS FORMER PROMINENCE. THE WESSON FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE SHOWN THEMSELVES TO BE NOTHING BUT GOOD NEIGHBORS, AS EVIDENCED BY THEIR PATIENTLY LISTENING TO AND GRACIOUSLY RESPONDING TO NEARLY EVERY CONCERN PRESENTED TO THEM. THEY HAVE BEEN OPEN, HONEST, AND TRANSPARENT. AND TO ME THAT'S AN INDICATION OF HOW THINGS WILL OPERATE IF YOU ALL SEE FIT TO APPROVE. THEIR AIM IS TO SUPPORT SPIRITUAL, HISTORICAL AND EDUCATIONAL MISSIONS OF THIS UNIQUE CHURCH. IT SEEMS RESISTANCE TO THE CHURCH IS NOW FOCUSED ON TWO MAIN POINTS, OTHER POINTS, BUT TWO MAIN ONES. THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AND THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS'. HISTORY OF INCARCERATION. INCARCERATION. FIRST OF ALL, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. WE GO TO CHURCH SUNDAY MORNING FROM 8 45 TO NINE 30. WITHIN THAT RANGE, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL. SO NO CHURCH SERVICE THERE IS GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF IMPACT ON TRAFFIC. AND THEN WE COME HOME AT 1230. TRAFFIC IS UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT VERY MUCH. AND WE USE THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT FROM WOOD WINDWOOD OVER TO, UH, BELTLINE. SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING A REAL ISSUE. SECONDLY, INCARCERATION TO ME, I HAVE LOOKED INTO IT AND I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THIS MINISTRY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY VIEW IT. THEY TAKE FORMER FELONS WHO HAVE INDICATED DESIRE, HAVING PAID THEIR TIME TO GET REHABILITATED. AND SO THEY ARE TAKEN ON AS EMPLOYEES. THESE FOUR IN DONALD'S COMPANY, THE WESTON'S SON, THEY GET PERIODIC HEALTH, UH, UH, PERIODIC DRUG TESTING. AND THERE HAS BEEN NO INCIDENT OF RECURRENCE OF CRIME IN THEIR LIVES. AND SO FOR A MONTH OR SO, THEY WOULD BE INSIDE THIS BUILDING AND DOING THE WORK REQUIRED, AND THEN THEY'D BE GONE. GUESS WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF PROTECTION DO WE HAVE FROM PEOPLE WHO COME IN EVERY DAY TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? BY THE DOZENS, WE HAVE NO, NO PROTECTION WHATSOEVER. WHEREAS HERE, THEY'RE UNDER CAREFUL SURVEILLANCE AND, AND WELL SUPERVISED. TODAY, I DROVE FROM THE CHAPEL TO ANNE FRANK SCHOOL AND BACK, AND I REMEMBER THE GREAT LEGACY OF ITS NAMESAKE, THE STORY OF PEOPLE STRUGGLING FOR THEIR LIVES AND FOR THEIR FREEDOM. ONE OF THE WORST EVENTS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, THE HOLOCAUST. THEN I SAW THE PARALLEL WHEN I DROVE BACK AND READ THE PLAQUE FROM THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH AND REMINDED ME OF THE FIVE FAMILIES AND A FORMER SLAVE OWNER WHO GOT TOGETHER TO BEGIN THIS WONDERFUL HISTORY. IF YOU COULD WRAP UP, UH, YOU'RE OVERTIME. YES. THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, I WANNA SAY PLEASE DO WHAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE HAVE ASKED YOU TO DO, ALLOW THE WE TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR LOVE OF GOD AND LOVE OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOVE OF NEIGHBOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AL. AS I SAID, THAT IS THE LAST CARD THAT I HAD. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? BLAKE CLEMONS. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BLAKE CLEMONS, 1, 4, 7, 5, 4 CELESTIAL PLACE. I TOO WAS PART OF THE TEAM THAT, UH, NEGOTIATED WITH THE WESSONS. AND, UM, I WOULD TELL YOU IF YOU, IF YOU LISTENED, THAT THE PEOPLE, THE, THAT WERE INVOLVED, THE MOST KNOW THE MOST ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THREE OF YOU, THREE OF THEM, WHICH I WOULD BE THE THIRD, ARE ASKING YOU TO TURN IT DOWN. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS BEHIND THAT, AND I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE, SO I'M GONNA MAKE THIS FAIRLY SHORT. [03:05:01] I'M AGAINST IT. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS DECISION. I KNOW YOU ARE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING, BUT TO A POINT WHERE, UM, ASK YOURSELF, HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW DOES THIS, UH, BENEFIT ADDISON? AND I GUESS WE CAN ALL ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED TO HEAR THE FORMER CITY MANAGER ASK YOU TO RECOMMEND THIS, UH, ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS. UH, WE HEARD ON JULY 6TH, MICKEY MANURE AND MICHELLE MANURE, THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT MOST OF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HE, UH, FROM HIS MOUTH, I WISH HE WERE HERE TONIGHT. I THINK HE'S IN NEW YORK. UM, IS HE MICKEY HERE? OH, OH, MICKEY, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE IT. M UM, YOU HEARD MICKEY SAY, UH, HE WAS, HE'D ASK WHO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE WAS BUILDING THESE HOMES, AND MICKEY, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT IF I, IF I MISSPEAK, MAKE SURE YOU STAND UP AND TELL EVERYONE. BUT WHAT MICKEY DID WAS, BEFORE HE INVESTED IN THE TOWN, IN THIS LAND TO BUILD THESE HOMES, HE WENT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AT THAT TIME AND ASKED, HEY, I'M GETTING ALL THESE QUESTIONS. IS THERE GONNA BE ANY MORE THAN THIS? AND THE ANSWER FROM BOTH THE FORMER CITY MANAGER AND ACCORDING TO MICKEY AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF DIRECTOR SERVICES, NO, IT WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN THIS. AND MICKEY IS THE ONE THAT WENT AROUND AND TALKED TO, UH, ALL OF HIS PROSPECTIVE BUYERS AND TOLD THEM THE SAME THING. SO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT IT. UM, THE FORMER CHURCH IS GONE. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT THE FORMER CHURCH. UH, PASTOR FORWARD WAS THE PASTOR FOR MAYBE 40 YEARS. AND, UH, HE, HE, I, I THINK HE DIED AND THEN HIS SON TOOK IT OVER AND THEN IT FELL APART. UH, BUT IN ANY EVENT, THIS, I THINK EVERYBODY'S GETTING CONFUSED AROUND IN, IN MIXING UP THE CHURCH, A CHURCH WHICH THIS IS NOT A CHURCH, BUT A CHURCH AND THIS PROPERTY. I THINK IF YOU SEPARATE THAT OUT AND LOOK AT IT AS JUST A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WOULD YOU APPROVE THIS? WOULD THIS BE APPROVED? IF IT WERE, AND I'LL FINISH REAL QUICK, BRUCE. UM, IF IT WERE UP FOR, UH, APPROVAL AND IT, IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, A DRUG STORE OR, YOU KNOW, COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING, IT WOULDN'T EVEN GET THIS FAR. IT WOULD'VE BEEN TURNED DOWN A LONG TIME AGO. SO THE ISSUE IS REALLY AROUND, IT'S, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S AGAINST THE CHURCH. IT'S WHAT DR. WESSON'S VISION IS, IS TO MAKE THIS KNOWN REGIONALLY, LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY AND HIS WHOLE VISION. AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA STOP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, PLEASE TURN THIS DOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BLAKE. I'VE HAD A CARD FILLED. I'M MERL BRUNA AND I LIVE ON 1 4 8 4 8 WYNWOOD ROAD. I HAVE BEEN ON WYNWOOD FOR 32 YEARS. WHEN WE CAME TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY TO BUY IT, THERE WAS A LITTLE CHURCH AT THE CORNER. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT AIRPORT NOISE. AND WE WERE TOLD THAT NEITHER WOULD BE A PROBLEM. WE WERE TOLD BY AN ADDISON REPRESENTATIVE, I DON'T KNOW WHO AT THE TIME, BUT IT WASN'T A BUILDER AND IT WASN'T A REAL ESTATE PERSON. IT WAS SOMEBODY REPRESENTING ADDISON. WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CHURCH BECAUSE THERE WAS A DEEDED ON IT, A LAND DEEDED THAT COULD NEVER CHANGE. AND IT WAS AN INACTIVE CHURCH. THERE WERE ABOUT EIGHT OR 10 OLD TIMERS WHO STILL WENT THERE BECAUSE THE CONGREGATION HAD PURCHASED A CHURCH ELSEWHERE AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM WENT ELSEWHERE. WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT IT BEING TOO ACTIVE AND WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT THERE HAD WE FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS A VERY ACTIVE CHURCH, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM. WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TO A COUPLE OF BARBECUES THERE OVER THE YEARS WHERE THEY'VE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER. I MEAN, WE'RE, IT, IT'S NOTHING ABOUT RACE. IT'S ABOUT SIZE. WE ARE, I, I'VE BRAGGED MANY, MANY TIMES THAT EMMETT SMITH WAS MY NEIGHBOR. I PROMISE YOU THIS ISN'T WE'RE, THIS WHOLE AREA IS SO COSMOPOLITAN. WE HAVE EVERY RELIGION REPRESENTED. WE HAVE SO MANY NATIONALITIES. YOU CAN'T SAY THIS IS A RACIAL THING AT ALL. THE THING IS, THERE WAS A DEEDED, AND I'VE [03:10:01] ASKED MANY TIMES WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEED? HOW COULD THIS CHANGE HANDS? I EVEN AT ONE OF DR. WESSON'S MEETING AT THE CHURCH, BEFORE WE STARTED WITH THE BIG MEETINGS, I ASKED YOU, WHERE DID, HOW COULD YOU GET THIS? HOW COULD THE DEEDED CHANGE? AND YOU SAID YOUR LAWYERS TOOK CARE OF IT, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. BUT HERE I FOUND WHAT THE ACTUAL THING SAYS. MILLER DENO OWNED A PARCEL OF LAND, WHICH IS PART OF THE LAND. ADD US. THAT BECAME THE, THIS WHERE THE CHURCH WAS ON APRIL 14TH, 1958. NOEL CREATED A WARRANTY DEEDED TO THE CHRISTIAN CHAPEL CHURCH. HE EXECUTED IT, MAINTAINING THAT IF IT EVER CHANGED, IT WOULD GO BACK TO HIM OR HIS EARS. SPECIFICALLY, THE WARRANTY DEEDED CONTAINED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, SAID IT IS STRICTLY UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED THAT HEREINAFTER DESCRIBED PROPERLY SHALL REVERT TO THE KNOWLES IF THAT PROPERTY IS EVER ABANDONED BY SAID CHURCH OR CEASED TO BE USED FOR THE CHURCH OR FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ABOVE NAMED CHURCH. THAT'S THE CHRISTIAN CHAPEL CHURCH. AND IT SHALL NOT BE CONVEYED FOR ANY PURPOSE WHATSOEVER AND MUST BE USED FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES ONLY BY THE ABOVE NAMED CHURCH EXCLUSIVELY. AND MERLE, YOUR TIME IS UP. IF YOU COULD WRAP UP PLEASE RIGHT THERE. THAT LEGALLY THIS LAND BELONGS TO THE KNOLLS. NOW, NOT TO DR. WESSON, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW HE BOUGHT IT AND KNOW IT'S CHANGED SEVERAL TIMES. BUT ACCORDING TO THE DEEDED THAT NOBODY HERE SEEMS TO HAVE RESEARCHED THIS LAND, CAN'T BE ANYBODY'S. BUT THE K KNOWLES. AND DR. WESSON SAID AT ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT HE HAS NOT CONTACTED THE KNOWLES. AND IT SAYS FURTHER THAT IF IT REVERTED BACK TO THE KNOWS, WELL, YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE. NOW, THE ADDISON RESTRICTIONS OR CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY SAY IT CAN ONLY BE ONE FAMILY DWELLINGS. SO I URGE YOU TO TURN THIS DOWN. IT IS GOING TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE LIFE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MERL. ONE MORE COMING UP? YEAH. HELLO, JACK. MR. UH, I'M JACK GARRETTS AND I LIVE AT 1 7 1 1 8 KNOTTS LANDING. I'M NOT HERE TO GO INTO ALL THE NONSENSE. I'M, I'M HERE FOR THE LEGAL SIDE. THE WOMAN THAT WAS JUST HERE QUESTIONED THE LEGALITY OF THE DEEDED AND HOW IT WAS, HOW IT THE LAND GOT SOLD. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF BECAUSE OF MESSAGING THAT I'VE SENT YOU THAT EVEN THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WILL NOT ALLOW THE BUILDING OF THE PAVILION. ALL THESE LEGAL THINGS NEED TO BE VETTED OUT AND YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM AND YOU NEED TO CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR VOTE. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU, JACK. ANY OTHERS? ONE MORE. UM, MY NAME IS TIMOTHY NELSON. I LIVE AT 1 4 7 1 4 LESTER PLACE. UM, WITH, WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT ON THIS, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE EACH ONE OF YOU ARE GONNA TAKE ONE DAY OF THE WEEK SO WE CAN CALL YOU AND SAY, OH, THEY'RE MESSING THIS UP UNDER TOO MANY CARS IN THE PARKING LOT. UH, SOMEBODY PARKED IN THE STREET, UH, SEEMS LIKE THAT SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE THAT'S, THAT'S RAISING ITS, UH, ITS HEAD TODAY. SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? OR IF 20 CARS SHOW UP, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE PEOPLE THAT GO UP OR THAT SHOW UP AND SAY, I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T ATTEND CHURCH TODAY BECAUSE YOU PASS THE LIMIT OF EIGHT OF 18 CARS. THAT'S KIND OF CONCERNING. AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CHURCHES, I, I'VE MOVED 25 TIMES IN, IN MY LIFE. I'VE LIVED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. UH, I'VE NEVER SEEN, SEEN A CHURCH WHOSE OBJECTIVE WAS NOT TO DO ANYTHING BUT GROW. AND IF THIS CHURCH IS AS SMALL AS IT IS AND HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR A HUNDRED YEARS AS EVERYBODY'S DESCRIBED, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A PRETTY HAPPY SITUATION UNTIL JUST RECENTLY WHEN ALL THESE CHANGES HAVE COME ABOUT THE, THE PROBLEMS WITH THE DEEDED, UH, IMPROPRIETIES [03:15:01] KEEP RAISING ITS UGLY HEAD. AND TO ME, THAT FALLS WITH YOU ALL. OR, OR AT LEAST TO CHECK INTO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT. UM, IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THIS RESTORATION PLAN KEEPS COMING UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UM, NOBODY SEEMS TO GIVE A CLEAR ANSWER. I'VE HEARD VARIOUS VERSIONS OF IT, BUT NOBODY'S GIVEN ME A CLEAR ANSWER. I'VE SPOKEN WITH BASICALLY EVERY, EVERY ONE OF YOU, CHERYL AND I HAVE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN GREAT CONVERSATIONS AND WE'VE COME A LONG WAYS. IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH RACE. IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT IT, IT'S A CHURCH. IS THIS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN THIS CORNER, ON THIS CORNER OF THESE TWO STREETS IN, UH, ADDISON, TEXAS? THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S BOILING DOWN TO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME. SAVED YOU 56 SECONDS. NICE. NICE JOB. THANK YOU, TIM. ANY OTHERS? SEEING NONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR PRIORITY DISCUSSION. MAYOR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND MOTION FROM EILEEN, SECOND FROM NANCY. TIME FOR DISCUSSION. WHO'S FIRST? MAYOR ARLEN. AS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, AS I BROUGHT UP, I'VE, I'VE GOT A, UH, REAL CONCERN WITH THE WORDING ALCOHOL. UM, SO IF I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THIS MOTION TO CHANGE THE WORDING, UH, FROM ALCOHOL TO WINE. OKAY. I'LL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION. ANY ISSUES WITH THAT MR. CITY ATTORNEY? OKAY. UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF, OF THE CITY ATTORNEY? DID, DOES EVERYBODY, I MEAN, DOES THAT A COUNCIL VOTE FOR THAT AMENDMENT? I'M I'M SURE IT'S A COUNCIL VOTE. LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. COUNCILMAN WILLISTON? UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE QUESTION? YEAH, I'M, I'M ASKING TO AMEND THE MOTION, UM, SUCH THAT WE REMOVE THE WORDING ALCOHOL IN SEVEN B MM-HMM. , WHERE IT'S USED TWICE AND REPLACE IT WITH THE WORD WINE. AND NOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS, IS, DOES, DOES THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? YES. YOU, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION, UH, AND A, A SECOND TO YOUR MOTION TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND THEN A VOTE TO AMEND IT, AND THEN WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION IF THAT IS APPROVED. SO SHOULD WE DO THE BEFORE DISCUSSION THEN? AND I WOULD AT THIS POINT, YES. OKAY. AND I'VE GOT ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER QUESTION. UM, IT'S A QUESTION FOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RESNICK. DID, DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION, UM, WITH THE CONDITION SUBJECT TO THE USE AND SITE DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT? ABSOLUTELY. YOU DID? OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. SO IS THERE A SECOND TO MARLON'S AMENDED AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? I WILL SECOND IT IF I CAN. OH, I GUESS I CAN. I WILL SECOND IT. ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S A SECOND. SO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT CORRECT. SO, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? AARON, IS THIS JUST FOR THE AMENDMENT? JUST FOR THE AMENDMENT? YES. NO DISCUSSION, WHICH IS, AND THE AMENDMENT IS TO REPLACE THE WORD ALCOHOL WITH WINE IN A COUPLE PLACES, I BELIEVE. NO, IT, MR. MAYOR, UH, THE WORD ALCOHOL NEEDS TO BE AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT SENTENCE, THE AMENDMENT OF THE SECOND TERM ALCOHOL. SO WHY? 'CAUSE IT SAYS NO ALCOHOL, SO SHALL BE CONSUMED ON THE PREMISES EXCEPT FOR WINE AND RELIGIOUS SERVICES. OKAY. YEAH. YES. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE MOTION RESTATED FOR THE RECORD. YEAH, I, THE THE AMENDMENT, IT'S THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. RESTATED THE RECORD. I GUESS ALCOHOL IS THE, THE SECTION. HEADER. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? I'M SORRY, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY. CLARIFY THAT, THAT I, I WANNA LIMIT IT TO ONLY WINE DURING RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES RATHER THAN ALCOHOL ALLOWED DURING RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES. YEAH, SO JUST THE VERBIAGE WOULD BE THAT, THAT THERE'S NO ALCOHOL. THE, THE WORD ALCOHOL WOULD BE USED. AND, AND MAYOR, FOR THE RECORD, I'LL JUST READ THE SENTENCE. THANK YOU AS AMENDED. SO SECTION SEVEN D, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY SHALL NOT ALLOW ALCOHOL TO BE CONSUMED ON THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR, AND IT CURRENTLY READS ALCOHOL USED IN RELIGIOUS SERVICES THAT WOULD BE AMENDED PER, UM, [03:20:01] THE MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR WINE USED IN RELIGIOUS SERVICES. IS THAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, MARLON? YES, SIR. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY OF THE DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THE AMEND, THE AMENDED MOTION IS ON THE TABLE NOW FOR DISCUSSION. ANY DISCUSSION? SO, UM, I'D LIKE, I MET WITH MANY OF THE, MANY, MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, UH, OPPOSED IN SUPPORTING. AND, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE MISSIONS AND THE WORK. UH, I AM, UH, CONCERNED WITH THE ACTIVITY IN THAT LOCATION. AS I STATED THIS OVER AND OVER, I LIKE, I WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT IN MEETING WITH SOME OF YOU, UH, THE S U P HAS EVOLVED AND IT IS, UH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THE S U P THAT ARE, ARE VERY GOOD. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE WORKING ON IT. AGAIN, THANK YOU. I, AGAIN, AM CONCERNED WITH THE ACTIVITY. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ALSO THAT, UH, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE APPLICANT WAS WORKING WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UH, TRY TO CRAFT SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY CAN AGREE ON. AND ORIGINALLY IT WAS, UM, A COUPLE OF THREE GUYS AND THEN FOUR, THEN FIVE. AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS CONTINUED ON AND FOUND RECENTLY THAT IT FRACTURED THAT FIVE PEOPLE FRACTURED. MEANWHILE, A COUPLE, TWO OR THREE OF THEM CONTINUED ON AND CRAFTED THIS S U P I DIDN'T, UH, WITH, WITH THE WESSONS, I DID NOT, UH, I'LL JUST CONTINUE. UH, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT, UM, THAT HAD HAPPENED. SO MY QUESTION IS, I WOULD SAY, MY, MY COMMENT IS THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING TO, WAS INTENDING TO WORK WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WHO, WHO KNEW THAT MAYBE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T AGREE WITH THOSE REPRESENTATIVES? THAT'S A QUESTION TO ME. AND AS I WAS TALKING WITH SOME OF YOU, AND WE GOT SEVERAL EMAILS IN OPPOSITION, I'LL SAY SEVERAL, A BUNCH, UH, AS WELL AS SOME IN AND SOME IN SUPPORT. I COULDN'T FIND THIS DISCONNECT WHY THERE WAS SO MUCH OPPOSITION TO THIS. WELL, THESE FIVE GUYS ARE NEGOTIATING IT AND, AND THAT MADE SENSE. NOW FINDING THIS FRACTURE AND THIS DISAGREEMENT AMONG THOSE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, UH, THAT CAUSED CONFUSION ON MY PART. AND THAT MAKES SENSE. NOW, I AM STILL, UH, CONCERNED WITH THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY, AND I'M FRANKLY CONCERNED WITH THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT, UM, REAL INFORMATION THAT THE, THE RESIDENTS HAVE. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. OKAY. WHO ELSE? MAYOR. THANK EKU. FIRST, I WANT TO, UH, THANK, UH, THE STAFF FOR, UH, THE GREAT PRO PRODUCT THAT THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER HERE FOR US TO ALL UNDERSTAND. UH, KEN, YOU'VE WORKED HARD WITH YOUR STAFF TO, TO BE CONCISE, APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. UH, I UNDERSTAND IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T EASY. I'M ALSO THANKFUL FOR ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ALL THE NEIGHBORS. UH, THE NEIGHBORS OF COURSE, ARE, UM, ARE WHY WE'RE HERE. WE'RE, WE'RE PART, WE'RE PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TOO, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T LIVE RIGHT ON THE SAME STREET. I, I I I, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 37 YEARS AND I HAVE SEEN, I HAVE SEEN, UH, SOME CHANGES AROUND TOWN. THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS GOOD. BUT HERE IN ADDISON, WE'VE ALWAYS PULLED TOGETHER. WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THEIR COMMUNITY, THE ADDISON WAY. I THINK THE, THE GUIDANCE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED OR THE, THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE STAFF HAVE SHOWN THAT BY ACCEPTING THIS S U P, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S COMING IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THIS AREA THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. I THINK THE WESSIN HAVE GIVEN UP A LOT TO HELP US AS A COMMUNITY, TO SECURE PART OF OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR FUTURE AND PART OF OUR TOWN. THAT, THAT, [03:25:01] UH, TO DATE HASN'T, HASN'T, UH, BEEN WELL REGULATED AND, UM, POTENTIALLY HAD, UH, PROBLEMS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE, UH, ALLOWED PROBLEMS TO, TO FESTER THERE IN THAT AREA. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MAYOR. IS IT? THAT'S IT. WHO ELSE? I HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS. LEMME IF I HAD, LEMME MAKE SURE NOBODY ELSE. OKAY. I YOU GO AGAIN. NO, HARLAN, NOBODY. DARREN, GO AHEAD. SORRY. IF I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO AMEND THE S U P AS IS, WHEN WOULD I DO THAT? IF THIS ONE DOESN'T PASS? UH, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR APPROVAL OF THE S U P SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION CURRENTLY THAT, UM, HAS BEEN ADDED. IF YOU SEEK TO FURTHER AMEND THE S U P, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO AMEND AGAIN THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE. UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WAIT TO SEE THE VOTE ON THIS ACTION, YOU CAN DO THAT. AND IF SUBSEQUENT ACTION IS WARRANTED, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY MAKE A MOTION AT THAT TIME. BUT IT'S ALL MOTION TO AMEND. I WANT THIS CHURCH TO OPERATE, AND I WANT IT TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. COMPATIBILITY IS DEFINED BY ACTIVITY, AND IF IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE, COMPATIBLE, IT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE FOR A CERTAIN LEVEL. UM, I THINK THE, THE LEVELS OF OCCUPANCY OBVIOUSLY IS PART OF IT, BUT THE PARKING IS ALSO A PART OF IT. AND I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DEFINED, PAINTED THE PICTURE OF WHAT THE ACTIVITY MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, HONESTLY, MR. CANNER, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THE NUMBER OF, UH, THE 90 NUMBER. I BELIEVE IT IS TOO HIGH, AND THIS IS JUST THROUGH EVERYTHING EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO AND, AND REASON I WANT TO BE REASONABLE AND FAIR TO YOU AS WELL, I WOULD MOTION THAT WE, I MOTION TO LOWER THE, UH, EDUCATIONAL ASPECT. I WANT THAT ONE DAY A MONTH TO 72, NOT 90 AND 72. ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE MULTIPLES OF 18, WHICH IS THE PARKING SPACES, JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTS TO KNOW. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DURING THE WEEK, THERE'D BE A LIMITATION TOO OF, UH, 36 OCCUPANCY DURING THE WEEK, WELL BELOW A 20 OR 30 PERSON MEETING THAT CAN SATISFY PEOPLE'S ACTIVITY LEVEL. AND I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE, UM, REASONABLE GIVE AND TAKE ON BOTH SIDES. AND I'M, I'M SURE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WON'T BE HAPPY, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MOVE ON. AND I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WON'T BE HAPPY AND, AND THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THIS TONIGHT AS KIND OF GAME TIME DECISION. I DON'T LIKE TO MAKE GAME TIME DECISIONS. THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH BE, WOULD BE A DELAY. THAT WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE. A DELAY. I MOTION TO APPROVE, I'M SORRY, TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE TO 72 FOR THE EDUCATIONAL AND ADD ANOTHER O UH, OCCUPANCY LIMIT OF 36. AND I'LL ALSO ADD, FIXED ANY ALLEGED ERRORS IN THE APPLICATION THAT MR. CANNER BROUGHT UP. AND, AND CERTAINLY ANY, ANYTHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED. UH, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY AMENDMENT. IT'S VERY LONG. COULD YOU MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CONCISE PLEASE? AND I AMEND THE MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT, ONE DAY A MONTH TO BE 72, AND THAT THE BUSINESS WEEK ACTIVITY BE, UH, MAXIMUM OF 36, WHICH IS A MULTIPLE OF TWO OF 18. OKAY. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT THAT HE'S MADE A MOTION FOR? ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT AMENDMENT? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THREE OPPOSED? NO, NO. FOUR OPPOSED. AMENDMENT DOES NOT PASS. SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS STILL ON THE FLOOR. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? [03:30:01] I MOTION WITH, UH, I, I WANT MOTION TO, UH, TO TABLE THIS. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE, IT'S NOT, IT'S TOO LATE TO TABLE THE PROCEDURE. SO PROCEDURALLY WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON. OKAY. SO IF THAT RIGHT WITH THAT? THAT'S CORRECT, MAYOR. UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN REARRANGE, BUT AT THE, PER OUR COUNSEL RULES OF PROCEDURE, IT WOULD BE TYPICAL FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AS AMENDED. UM, AND UNLESS, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND SECOND TO TABLE, BUT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE A BRIGHT LINE RULE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING, SO MM-HMM. , UM, BUT THE DUE COURSE OF PROCEDURE WOULD BE TO CONSIDER THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING A MO UH, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION. ANOTHER, AN ADDITIONAL MOTION TO TABLE IT OR TO POSTPONE IT. I, THAT IS MY INTENT, THE PROPER WAY OF DOING IT FOR THE PROCEDURES. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW THE PROPER WAY OF DOING THAT. I, I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A, THIS S U P TO BE VOTED FOR OR AGAINST, UH, WITHOUT HAVING A TABLE BEING PART OF THE DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE INTENT. HOW DO WE DO THAT? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE DID IN JUNE? YES. OKAY. I'LL GIVE YOU THE REASONS. SORRY, I, I MENTIONED THE REASONS I CAN, I CAN DISCUSS THE REASONS FOR THAT SHARE. I CAN SHARE, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS FURTHER INFORMATION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS TONIGHT THAT THEY MAY HAVE QUESTIONS OF AND CLARIFICATION. WHAT I FEAR THOUGH, IS I FEAR THAT MISINFORMATION AND FEAR AND FEAR WILL BE PERPETUATED. I DON'T WANT THAT. I WANT PEOPLE TO BE F FULLY INFORMED. THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC FORUM. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF SUPPORT, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF OPPOSITION, AND THAT, THAT THEREFORE THE, UH, THAT WOULD BE WHY I WOULD MOTION IT IS FOR A PROCESSING TIME FOR, UM, THE PUBLIC AND THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. THAT'S IT. YEAH. JUST A MOTION TO POSTPONE. THAT'S WHY. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION THERE. A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION. I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF TIME TO GET INFORMATION OUT AND IF, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY'VE HAD OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT HAVE GONE IN. THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS, THAT WAS JUST HELD IN THIS ROOM, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH. UM, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE INFORMATION AND, AND REALLY WANTS TO HEAR THE INFORMATION, THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, OF THIS. MAYOR, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH YOU. WE'VE BEEN GOING, UH, TO THE NE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INFORMING THEM, INFORMING OURSELVES, EVERYONE ON, ON THE COUNCIL, UH, SINCE LAST YEAR. AND, UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE TIME. MARLEY. YEAH. THE QUESTION I HAVE WOULD BE, UH, FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, CAN WE HAVE COMPETING MOTIONS LIKE THIS? I, I'M, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY SITUATION LIKE THAT. I THOUGHT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE MOTION ON THE, THE MOTION AND AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE. WITT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT? WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY OR RULE ON POINT. WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF MOTIONS ESSENTIALLY BEFORE THE COUNSEL. AND THAT WAS ONE, THE, THE MOTION FOR FINAL ACTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS AMENDED. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, A PROCEDURAL MOTION TO TABLE. UH, IT IS ULTIMATELY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF ANY FORMAL RULES THAT WE'VE ADOPTED AS A, AS A COUNCIL. UH, IT IS ULTIMATELY UP TO, UM, THE MAYOR AS A, AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MEETING AND THE COUNCIL ITSELF AS TO WHICH MOTION IT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE UP FIRST. YEAH, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE, WE HAD A POLICY USE UTILIZING ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS. WE, WE LOOSELY FOLLOW THOSE . I'M, I HAVEN'T GOT THAT MEMORIZED, BUT, BUT I'M THINKING WE NEED TO, UH, CONCLUDE THE MOTION ON THE TABLE BEFORE WE JUST START CREATING OTHER MOTIONS AND MM-HMM. HAVING COMPETING MOTIONS. YEAH. ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH VOTING ON THE FIRST MOTION FIRST. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? MARLON? YES, SIR. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS I JUST WANNA MAKE THOUGH. FIRST OF ALL, I, I DO WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT AND STAYING FOR TO SUCH A LATE HOUR. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS TO GET THE PUBLIC INPUT FROM WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING AND, [03:35:01] AND THEIR, UH, AND THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE, ON, ON THE, UH, ITEM AT HAND. UH, AND PART OF THAT PROCESS ALSO IS THE, THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE WORK THAT THEY DID. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE RECEIVED, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF CRITICISM FROM FOLKS FOR, FOR WHAT THEY, UH, FOR, FOR APPROVING THE, UH, UM, THE ITEM. AND, UM, AND IT'S, IN MY OPINION, IT'S UNFAIR BECAUSE THEY DID, THEY DID THEIR JOB AS, UH, LOOKING AT THE, AT THE SPECIAL USE PROB, UH, THE SS U P AND, UH, AND THEY VOTED ON THAT BASED ON WHAT THEIR, WHAT, WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR DOING THAT JOB. SO, SO SOME OF THAT CRITICISM WAS UNFAIR, BUT, UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE EMOTION INVOLVED AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE FEELINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE AND THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE. UM, ONE THING THAT WE'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF TIMES IS THE, UM, THAT WE NEED TO GIVE PREFERENCE TO RESIDENTS, UM, IN, IN WHAT THEY WANT. BUT ONE THING THAT WE, ALL THAT WE NEED TO DO AS A COUNCIL IS THAT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE A DUTY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS IN ADDISON, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, A HIGH-RISE BUSINESS. WE HAVE A DUTY TO ALL OF THEM, UH, TO, TO, TO ALLOW THEM TO HA HAVE USE OF THEIR PROPERTY. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? TO BE ABLE TO HAVE USE AND ENJOYMENT OF YOUR PROPERTY, AND WHICH IS THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO HAVE AS WELL. UM, WE KNOW IT'S NOT A UNIFIED MESSAGE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, AND THAT'S AS IT SHOULD BE. UM, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT, UH, THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE PUT IN TO, TO, TO DRIVE THEIR POSITION FORWARD. YOU KNOW, THE, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND SOME MONEY ON THIS AND, AND THE TIME THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S ADMIRABLE. AGAIN, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE PROCESS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME, SOME FOLKS THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, THE S U P AND THE CHURCH AND, AND SOME THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY JUST REALLY DON'T WANT THEM TO BE THERE. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE TO HAVE THOSE, THOSE CHOICES. BUT I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TIMES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A PRETTY MIXED BAG OUT THERE. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT, THE WESSONS HAVE WORKED, WORKED WELL WITH THEIR TEAM AND WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE, THE FOLKS THAT HAVE REALLY BEEN PUTTING THE TIME IN, IN SEARCH OF A SOLUTION. AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IS TO HAVE A SOLUTION TO THIS. UM, AND, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IN, IN ANYTHING LIKE THIS, ANY NEGOTIATION THAT WE DON'T GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THERE'S COMPROMISE THAT, UH, COMES FROM EVERYBODY. AND, AND ONE THING THAT I'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF TIMES IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT THE CHURCH TO BE WHAT IT USED TO BE. AND I WONDER IF YOU, IF THAT'S REALLY TRUE, BECAUSE, 'CAUSE WHAT IT USED TO BE WAS A CHURCH, A SMALL CHURCH, YOU KNOW, LOW ACTIVITY. BUT, BUT PICTURE THIS, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THAT CHURCH GOT A LITTLE FIRECRACKER OF A PASTOR TO GO IN THERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE STARTED WANTING TO COME OVER THERE AND THEN THEY GOT SOME YOUTH GOING, AND THEN THEY START TO HAVE YOUTH MEETINGS DURING THE WEEK, AND THEN IT'S ALSO, AND THEN IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN AN ALL DAY, AN ALL EVENING CHURCH. LIKE A LOT OF CHURCHES ARE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK ALL DAY IN, IN THE EVENINGS THAT THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE, THERE WERE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. AND THEY COULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY DONE THAT BY, RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO RECALL, REMEMBER, BECAUSE WITH THE SS U P AND THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN THE SS U P, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IT IS RESTRICTED BY THE S U P. SO, SO IF, I MEAN, ACTUALLY MY, MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT THE, WHAT THE PREVIOUS ZONING SITUATION WAS. SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. BUT, UH, BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO? GO FOR A VOTE. I DO. ANYBODY BEFORE DARREN? BECAUSE YOU'VE SPOKEN A COUPLE TIMES, DAN. YEAH, I, I, I BRING UP THE, UM, I THINK HE'S LEFT BOB, WHO'S THE H O A PRESIDENT. I DON'T HAVE HIS FULL NAME. HECKMAN HECKMAN. AND I, I QUOTE HIM FROM SAYING THERE NEEDS TO BE A SURVEY BEING DONE. HE FELT THAT THOUGH THE SURVEY HAD BEEN OUTDATED, AND HE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST COMMENTS THAT HE HAD MADE, SORT OF, SORT OF, TO DARREN'S POINT, IS THE INFORMATION THAT'S OUT THERE ACCURATE ENOUGH FOR THE DECISION WE HAVE TO BEAR? AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SETTLED. NOT RIGHT NOW. YOU DON'T THINK THE INFORMATION IS OUT WHERE, [03:40:04] FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE, WE'RE, BOB WAS THE H O PRESIDENT. WELL, THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. WE, WE KNOW IT'S OUT. THAT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THAT INFORMATION, THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE NOW. IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO VOTE. WE, WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WE GET A PERFECT SITUATION WHERE EVERYBODY'S A HUNDRED PERCENT INFORMED. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, EVER. I, I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. OKAY. GQ? NO, MA'AM. I'M GOOD. OKAY. YOU CAN TURN THAT LIGHT OFF, PLEASE. MARLON. I'M READY FOR A VOTE. DAMN. I, I'M SORRY. I DO WANT THIS TO WORK, AND I DO WANT TO COME TO A YES. I, I CAN SUSPEND MY COMMENTS IF ANGELA'S MOTIONING. SAY AGAIN? ANGELA'S GIVING ME SOME MOTION OVER HERE. I MEAN, UH, MS. HUNT'S GIVING US A MOTION FROM THE FLOOR OVER THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. OKAY. THERE'S WHAT? VOTE ON THE MOTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S AS NEED TO VOTE. LET'S VOTE ON THE MOTION. YEAH, WE, YEAH, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IT'S NOT THAT TIME. THANK YOU. SO MY, SO MY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE, MY FIRST AMENDMENT DID NOT PASS, SO I WAS GONNA MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT. UM, IS THAT ALL RIGHT, MR. ATTORNEY? I AM, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE I FOLLOW YOU. WE, YOU, YOU DID MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND, WHICH WAS SECONDED, BUT, UH, IT FAILED BY A THREE FOUR VOTE. RIGHT. AND YOU HAVE A SECOND MOTION TO AMEND? YES. OKAY. AND, UH, YOU HAVE NOT MADE THAT MOTION AT THIS POINT? I WAS GOING TO. OKAY. UM, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, UNTIL THE VOTE IS CALLED, UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY OKAY. MAYOR, YOU'RE RUNNING THE MEETING, SO, UH, IT WOULD NEED A SECOND AND, OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE MOTION THAT WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND WORK THROUGH. WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. THEN YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION THAT'S OUT THERE. AND YOU WERE AT WANTING TO DO A THIRD MOTION. I, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE WAS TO, TO PASS AS IS WITH THE WINE VERBIAGE. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YES. AND I HAD AMENDED TO CHANGE THE, THE OCCUPANCY NUMBERS, AND THAT FAILED, AND I WAS GONNA DO ANOTHER TRY, ANOTHER AMENDMENT. BUT YOU MADE THAT AS A MOTION, NOT AS AN AMENDMENT. OKAY. WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION ON THE TABLE. IS THAT CORRECT? PROCEDURE? YOU, YOU, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME. YES. TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE CURRENT MOTION AS AMENDED ON THE TABLE. UM, AND THEN MAYOR, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU AT THIS POINT, WHICH MOTION YOU CALL IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE SUBSEQUENT MOTION OR CALL THE VOTE. IS HE, IS HE MAKING A MOTION OR AN AMENDMENT TO THE, TO, RIGHT. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN AMEND THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR ACTION IS BY ANOTHER MOTION TO AMEND WITH A SECOND. BUT IT, MAYOR, IT'S YOUR, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED AT YOUR DISCRETION, WHETHER YOU CALL THE QUESTION MM-HMM. , TAKE A VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT AS AS, AS IT SITS ON THE TABLE, OR WHETHER YOU ASK FOR A SECOND. YEAH. TO VOTE. NO, IT, IT'S, IT'S TIME. IT'S TIME TO VOTE. AND, UM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THE VOTE. AND WE, IT'S BEEN REQUESTED THAT WE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE. AND SO I'LL ASK IRMA TO CALL THE ROLL FOR THE VOTE FOR THE VOTE. THIS IS FOR THE VOTE, NOT FOR THE AMENDMENT. NOT FOR THE AMENDMENT. THIS IS FOR EILEEN'S AMENDED MOTION WITH THE, WITH THE WINE SUBSTITUTE. MAYOR ARSON. AYE. MAYOR PROM RESNICK. I'M GONNA MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FIRST. UM, FIRST, I WANNA COMMEND TOWN STAFF. OVER THE LAST 15 MONTHS. THEY'VE NOT ONLY MET WITH THE APPLICANTS MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS TO DISCUSS ISSUES OF CONCERN REGARDING WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. MANY ITERATIONS OF THIS PROJECT WERE DISCUSSED, AND NEIGHBORS HAD SIGNIFICANT INPUT INTO WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY PRESENTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING. SINCE THAT TIME, I AND MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE VISITED WITH MANY OF YOU AS WELL AS THE APPLICANTS AND CONSULTED WITH TOWN STAFF. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS PROJECT HAS RECEIVED MUCH INPUT AND REST ASSURED THAT NONE OF IT HAS BEEN TAKEN LIGHTLY. FRANKLY, [03:45:01] I LOVE THAT THE CHURCH HAS SUCH AN AMAZING AND RICH HISTORY IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. IT PREDATES THE TOWN OF ADDISON BY 35 YEARS. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER CHURCH THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY FREED SLAVES WHO PURCHASED THE LAND FROM THEIR FORMER MASTER, AND THEN THEY ALL WORSHIPED TOGETHER. THAT, TO ME, IS AN AMAZING AND INSPIRING STORY. AND WHEN A TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE SO DIVISIVE AND THE COUNTRY IS SO DIVIDED, THIS TO ME IS A STORY THAT IS ONE OF FAITH AND HOPE AND RECONCILIATION AND REDEMPTION. EVEN BEFORE ADDISON WAS ESTABLISHED, IT SEEMS THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE LAND, SIDNEY SMITH KNOLL, WAS DOING THINGS THE ADDISON WAY. SO WHAT IS THE ADDISON WAY? TO ME, THAT MEANS FINDING WAYS TO SAY YES. GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WORKING TO BUILD COMMUNITY, SUPPORTING ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES AND OUR RESIDENTS. ADDISON'S TAGLINE CURRENTLY IS, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. WELL, FOR ME, THAT TAGLINE IS NOT JUST FOR THOSE WHO COME TO ADDISON TO EAT AND DRINK AND PLAY, FOR ME, IT INCLUDES WHITE ROCK CHAPEL. WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE, AND I HOPE THAT WHAT YOU FIND HERE IS A WELCOMING COMMUNITY LIVING OUT THE ADDISON WAY. I VOTE YES. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CANTILLA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLISON. UM, I'M GONNA SHARE THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO READ THE LATEST S U P, THE S U P THAT WE'RE VOTING UPON. UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M VOTING UPON. AND I VOTE YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CRAIG? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CIO? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER GARDNER. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, UM, LIKE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T WANT TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. I WANTED TO HAVE TIME DUE PRO ADDITIONAL DUE PROCESS AGAINST, UH, OTHER PEOPLE'S WISHES. THE S U P HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY. MANY OF THE COMMENTS I'VE RECEIVED OVER 50 OTHER EMAILS IN OPPOSITION AND, AND UNTOLD PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUPPORTED, HAVE NOT EMAILED. I, UM, I WOULD RATHER, UH, TABLE THIS FOR THAT MATTER. UM, AND IF THIS S U P IS IS NOT APPROVED TONIGHT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK AND THERE'S A MECHANISM FOR IT TO BE BROUGHT BACK OR, OR COME GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND I, I WOULD URGE THAT, UH, I WOULD URGE THAT TO MAKE THIS WORK, AND I WILL VOTE, UH, OPPOSED TO THE MOTION. OKAY, THE MOTION FAILS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM. DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? SORRY, . THE, UH, YEAH. CAN I MAKE THIS, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE AGENDA ITEM? HOW'S THAT WORK? I SAID, SO I GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION FOR, RIGHT. SORRY. WITHOUT P, MAKE A MOTION. DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. MAYOR, GO AHEAD. GQ. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, IF I MAY. THIS IS A MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR A, THE APPLICATION FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FILED BY WHITE ROCK CHAPEL OF ADDISON, INCORPORATED WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO REFILING. I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE TO, CAN WE HAVE THE, THIS MOTION EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS? SURE. WOULD, WOULD YOU MIND, UH, EXPLAINING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LEFT MIGHT WANNA COME BACK IN THE, UNDER THE TOWN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES? IN, IN PARTICULAR, THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR AN APPLICANT TO BRING AN, AN APPLICATION FOR THE SAME ZONING, UH, CLA UH, SAME, SAME ZONING AMENDMENT OR ZONING CHANGE? UH, IF THEY'RE DENIED AT COUNSEL, BY DEFAULT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT 12 MONTHS TO BRING THE SAME TYPE [03:50:01] OF APPLICATION. FOR INSTANCE, IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD'VE TO WAIT 12 MONTHS TO BRING BACK AN S U P. UM, THE, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE NOW IS TO, UH, HAVE THE DENIAL BE WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WHICH WOULD WAIVE THE 12 MONTHS AND ALLOW THE REFILING OF AN S U P, UM, WITHOUT ANY TIME LIMIT OR PROHIBITION. YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS. I WANNA BETTER UNDERSTAND THIS. SO, SO IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THEN THE APPLICANT CAN, CAN BRING US AN, A DIFFERENT APPLICATION, A DIFFERENT S U P THAT IS CORRECT. UH, THE, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO REFILE AN APPLICATION FOR AN S U P, UH, AT ANY POINT IN TIME FOLLOWING THIS MEETING. MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NAY. MARLON. ONE OPPOSED? OKAY. IT PASSES THE DENIAL WITH WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WITHOUT PREJUDICE. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM [a. Present, discuss, and consider action on a Resolution for appointments to the Parkland Dedication and Development Fee Study Advisory Committee.] NUMBER FIVE, A PRESENT, DISCUSS, AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION FOR APPOINTMENTS TO THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AND DEVELOPMENT FEE STUDY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. GOOD EVENING. I'M JOE P I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS. THIS ITEM SERVES AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE ON JULY THE 11TH BY JANET TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. JANA IS CURRENTLY OUT OF THE OFFICE, SO I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT THIS ITEM AND OBTAIN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COUNCIL AND MAYOR AT THE JULY 11TH MEETING, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO REOPEN THE APPLICATION SURVEY IN WHICH WE COLLECTED ONE ADDITIONAL APPLICATION FOR A TOTAL OF 17. WE PROVIDED COUNSEL WITH ATTACHMENTS THAT INCLUDED THE ADDITIONAL APPLICATION. AS A REMINDER, IF WE COULD ASK THE, UH, FOLKS IN THE GALLERY TO, TO TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS TO THE OUTER ROOM, PLEASE. WE'RE STILL CONDUCTING BUSINESS. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, JOE. SORRY. YES, SIR. NO PROBLEM. AS A REMINDER, THE IDEAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMPOSITION IS AS FOLLOWS, A TOTAL OF EIGHT COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED, TWO MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND ONE MEMBER APPOINTED BY EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. INCLUDE REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL AREAS OF ADDISON TO REFLECT A DIVERSITY IN AGE AND REFLECT A D DIVERSE DIVERSITY IN LENGTH OF RESIDENCY, AND INCLUDE REPRESENTATIVES THAT ALSO WORK IN ADDISON. SO WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE NOT ALREADY DISCUSSED OR ANSWERED FOR YOU? EVERYBODY GOOD? WE CAN MOVE ON WITH APPOINTMENTS. VERY GOOD. I'LL START ON THIS ONE. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT NUMBER 14, MIKE O'NEILL. AND NUMBER 16, JESSICA. ZARA. EILEEN, I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT RON WHITEHEAD, PLEASE. RON WHITEHEAD. WHICH NUMBER WAS THAT? THAT'S NUMBER THREE. RON WHITEHEAD. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE BOARD. GQ, UH, NUMBER SIX. MAYOR ADAM. NUMBER SIX. ADAM GORDON FOR GQ. MARLON. UH, NUMBER 11. KEN PITTMAN. NUMBER 11, KEN PITTMAN. AND NANCY? UH, NUMBER ONE, LAUREN SMART. NUMBER ONE. LAUREN SMART FOR NANCY. CRAIG. DAN. NUMBER 15. LOGAN. NEVIN. NUMBER 15. LOGAN. VINA. NEVIN. AND DARREN. NUMBER EIGHT. ADRIAN WRIGHT, NUMBER EIGHT. ADRIAN WRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND THOSE ARE OUR APPOINTMENTS. DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT OR ANYTHING? YES, YES. YES. RE RE. ALL RIGHT. SO I, I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF THESE, UH, THESE APPOINTMENTS AS WE'VE, AS WE'VE NAMED THEM. IS THERE A SEC? SECOND. SECOND FROM NANCY? UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. VERY GOOD. WE HAVE ONE ITEM LEFT, ITEMS OF [6. Items of Community Interest. The City Council will have this opportunity to address items of community interest, including: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the Town of Addison; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event that was or will be attended by an Addison City Council member or an official; and, announcements involving an eminent threat to public health and safety in Addison that has arisen since posting this agenda.] COMMUNITY INTEREST. THIS IS THAT TIME WHERE WE CAN SAY NICE THINGS THAT WE SAW THIS WEEK OR THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, OR ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT EVENTS COMING UP. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? MAYOR? I'M GONNA, UH, I'M GONNA SHARE THAT. UH, I'M, I'M REALLY, I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT CARESS SO MUCH, AND WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE [03:55:01] SPEAK UP AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS. AND WHETHER THAT WAS IN PERSON, ON THE PHONE, TEXT, EMAIL, UM, I WOULD HATE TO, I JUST WOULDN'T CARE TO BE IN A CITY THAT, THAT DIDN'T CARE AS MUCH AS OURS. SO, ABSOLUTELY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF STRESS THAT GOES WITH IT, BUT, UM, I THINK THE END RESULT PRODUCES, I THINK, I THINK BY GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'VE PRODUCED THE BEST RESULTS. SURE. THANK YOU, MARLON. NANCY, YOU HAD SOMETHING? WELL, ACTUALLY, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT. IT, IT, IT DOES, UH, IT MAKES ME FEEL REALLY, REALLY GOOD, UH, TO SEE THIS MUCH, UM, INVOLVEMENT AND ENTHUSIASM AND PASSION. UH, IT IS, UH, WE, WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, HAD MANY, MANY LAYERS TO IT AND QUITE COMPLICATED. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE INVOLVEMENT, AND THAT'S WHY I LOVE BEING HERE. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. GQ. UH, MAYOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, THAT, UM, WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT WE DO HERE ON STAFF, UH, THEY, THEY WORK HARD. WE KNOW THAT, UM, THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE, UH, WE APPRECIATE THAT AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'RE I SAY IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. ANYBODY THAT I HEAR, DARREN, I'D LIKE TO ADD THROUGHOUT THE MEETINGS WITH, UM, ALL THE NEIGHBORS ON THIS TOPIC, UM, I HEARD, UH, VERY POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT STAFF. UM, KEN DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB, BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T LIKE KEN BECAUSE HE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB. AND I THINK THEY HAVE A, I HEARD MUCH, MUCH GOOD FEEDBACK ABOUT KEN AND HOW HE HANDLED THIS PROCESS FROM PEOPLE SUPPORTING AND OPPOSED, AND ALSO DAVID GAINES. DAVID, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP THROUGH THIS. I HEARD THE SAME COMMENTS ABOUT YOU, AND I WANNA BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT, ABOUT YOUR, YOUR REASON ABOUT YOUR, UM, DEMEANOR, YOUR PROFESSIONALISM, UM, HOW YOU, UH, DO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE AND LET, LET PEOPLE TALK AND LET THE PROCESS OF WORK THROUGH. SO, KEN, THERE, YOU'RE IN THE BACK. GREAT JOB. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING, UM, ROCK STARS. THANK YOU, DARREN. APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'LL JUST SHARE ONE THING WITH YOU REAL QUICKLY. YEAH. I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL HEARD PLENTY OF COMMENTS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS OR SO ABOUT THE, THE CHALLENGES OF THE MIDWAY ROAD CONSTRUCTION. WELL, I WANT TO GIVE, SHARE SOMETHING GOOD THAT I GOT YESTERDAY IN AN EMAIL FROM DAVID PRINCE FROM THE EAGLE GUN RANGE IN FARMER'S BRANCH ON MIDWAY. AND, UH, I'LL TRY TO PARAPHRASE IT FOR YOU SO I DON'T READ THE WHOLE THING. UM, THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN MAKE EVERY, EVERYONE HAPPY. IT'S A NECESSARY PROJECT THAT'S GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE AREA AND SO FORTH. UM, THAT SAID, I WANT TO COMMEND AND EXPRESS MY THANKS PUBLICLY FOR THE EFFORT THAT PATRICK DEVINNEY HAS EXHIBITED DURING ALL THIS TIME. HE HAS COMMUNICATED WITH MY BUSINESS ON A REGULAR BASIS. HE HAS ADDRESSED MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS PROMPTLY, AND HE HAS BEEN GENUINELY KIND AND POLITE DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS. AND HE GOES ON TO SAY THAT HE, YOU KNOW, HAD REMINDED HIM EARLIER ON THAT HE'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE TO TURN INTO HIS BUSINESS OVER THERE. AND, AND THEN HE WAS SHAZAM, HE WAS SO EXCITED WHEN IT, WHEN HE ACTUALLY SAW THERE WAS GONNA BE A LEFT TURN LANE. SO HE'S VERY EXCITED. HE IS VERY BIG ON PATRICK AND VERY BIG ON, UH, ADDISON. SO I WANT TO, UH, CONGRATULATE PATRICK, UH, FOR, FOR HIS GREAT WORK. AND OF COURSE, THE WHOLE CREW THAT'S WORKING THAT, UH, THAT MIDWAY ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WHICH HAS JUST BEEN QUITE A, UH, QUITE A CHALLENGE TO TAKE ON. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL INVOLVED. ANYTHING FROM YOU, DAVID? OKAY. ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY ELSE? THANKS Y'ALL. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 1130. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.