Jul 18, 2023 Planning &amp; Zoning Commission

HAVING SAID ALL THAT, UH, OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM, OUR FIRST ITEM FOR BUSINESS IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

FIVE MEMBERS TONIGHT.

UH, AND AS WE DO WITH EVERY MEETING, UH, PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER BEHALF INDIVIDUAL.

I WANNA THANK ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS AND GUESTS TONIGHT WHO ARE IN A ATTENDANCE.

UH, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

SO IF THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON, AND WE ALREADY HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ALREADY, UM, YOU CAN DO SO DURING THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THAT AGENDA ITEM.

UH, ALL WE ASK IS THAT YOU FILL OUT ONE OF OUR FORMS, UH, AND HAND IT TO ONE OF THE, UH, TOWN STAFF SO THAT YOU CAN BE IDENTIFIED.

UH, ALSO, PLEASE REMEMBER TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

[ Consent Agenda: All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the Planning and Zoning Commission and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]

UH, IT HAS TWO AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT.

UH, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION? NO.

UM, UH, I WILL NOW CALL FOR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

THREE IS TO DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON THE ELECTION OF A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR THIS COMMISSION.

THE MOTION WILL PASS.

OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, UH, ITEM

[3. Discuss and Consider Action on Election of a Chair and Vice Chair for the Planning and Zoning Commission.]

UH, WE WILL, WE'LL FIRST TAKE THE ROLE OF, UH, THE CHAIR.

UH, ARE THERE LIKE TO NOMINATE CHRIS DE FRANCE, CISCO? I GOT IT KIND OF OUTRIGHT.

SORRY.

CISCO.

THANK YOU FOR THE NOMINATION.

IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? NO, I'LL SECOND.

UH, WE'LL TAKE THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT NOMINATION.

I WOULD ENTERTAIN MORE NOMINATIONS FIRST.

TAKE ALL THE NOMINATIONS.

UM, AND THEN WE WILL VOTE ON EACH NOMINEE.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR THE ROLE OF CHAIR? NO.

SO WE, OKAY.

SO YOU CAN NOTE, UM, HERS AS THE FIR, AS THE MOTION, AND, AND HERS IS THE SECOND.

AND THEN TAKE THE VOTE AND WE VOTE.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

THAT MOTION WILL CARRY AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ROLE OF VICE CHAIR.

CONGRATULATIONS.

OH, THANK YOU.

I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE DENISE FANSLER FOR VICE-CHAIR.

I SECOND.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

WE, WE'LL NOW VOTE.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

THE MOTION WILL CARRY.

CONGRATULATIONS, DENISE.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

, OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, UH,

[4. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) for property located at 16601 Addison Road, Suite 106, that is currently zoned Planned Development (PD), through Ordinance No. O83-043, to allow a restaurant with the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption. Case 1882-SUP/16601 Addison Road, Suite 106 (Soulful Street Bites). ]

IT'S CASE NUMBER 1882.

UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR 16,601 ADDISON ROAD, SUITE 1 0 6, UH, SOULFUL STREET BYS.

WE'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 16 6 0 1 ADDISON ROAD, SUITE 1 0 6, THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT THROUGH ORDINANCE NUMBER OH 8 3 0 4 3 TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT WITH A SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON THE PREM FOR ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.

LESLIE CANNE, WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.

YES.

LESLIE KNIGHT, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

UH, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT, UH, 16,601 ADDISON ROAD.

THE APPLICANT IS, UH, PROPOSING TO OPEN A DINE-IN RESTAURANT WITH, UH, THE SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION, UH, WITHIN SUITE 1 0 6.

UH, THIS BUSINESS IS, UH, AS I MENTIONED, A RESTAURANT THAT FIRST BEGAN IN THE AREA AS A FOOD TRUCK.

UH, HAS SINCE EXPANDED TO, UH, SUITE ONE 10 IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER, UH, FOR CATERING AND TAKEOUT, AND IS LOOKING TO EX FURTHER EXPAND THEIR OPERATIONS INTO THIS SUITE.

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UH, SUITE 1 0 6.

THIS SITE, UH, IS CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, WITHIN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

IT WAS REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN 1983.

UH, LATER IN 2011, THERE WAS A PD AMENDMENT AS WELL AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON THAT SITE, UH, TO IDENTIFY A LIST OF PERMITTED USES, AS WELL AS A APPROVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THE SC SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.

UH, AND BEFORE YOU, THIS EVENING IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A DINE-IN RESTAURANT, UH, WITH THE SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.

UM, I LOST MY SCREEN.

THERE WE GO.

I'LL DO IT.

UH, BEFORE YOU IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN.

THERE ARE FAIRLY MINOR MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED ON THE INTERIOR.

UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE, UM, I BELIEVE TWO WALLS OR PORTION OF TWO WALLS.

UH, TO EXPAND THE DINING AREA, THERE WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 41, UH, SEATS.

IN THE APPROXIMATELY 2,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT.

THERE WOULD BE FIVE SEATS AT THE BAR, UH, WHICH IS PROPOSED, AND THEN ANOTHER 36 SEATS WITHIN, UH, TABLE AND BOOTHS WITHIN THE DINING AREA.

UM, I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT THIS OPERATION ALSO, UH, CONDUCTS CATERING BUSINESS AS WELL.

AND THEY'LL DO THEIR DINE-IN, UH, SEATING, EXCUSE ME, THEIR DINE-IN SEATING FOR THEIR RESTAURANT, AS WELL AS CONTINUE THEIR TAKEOUT OPERATIONS.

THE PROPOSED, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE, THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE 11:00 AM TO 7:00 PM TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, UH, NOON TO 9:00 PM ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, AND THEN NOON TO FIVE ON SUNDAYS.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, IS CURRENTLY MEETS THE REQUIRED PARKING OF 73 PARKING SPACES.

HOWEVER, WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITION, WHICH IS TO BRING THE EXISTING FIRE LANE INTO COMPLIANCE, WHICH INCLUDE, WOULD INCLUDE, UH, THE REMOVAL OF TWO PARKING SPACES TO COMPLY WITH THE APPROPRIATE TURNING RADII FOR A FIRE ENGINE.

THIS WOULD PUT THEM BELOW THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 73 BY PROVIDING 71 PARKING SPACES ON SITE.

UH, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THIS, UH, PARKING DEFICIT OF TWO SPACES WILL BE A CONCERN.

UH, AND IT IS, UM, IMPORTANT THAT THE FIRE LANE, IT'D BE APPROPRIATELY ACCOMMODATED ON SITE.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT AN ADDITIONAL HANDICAP PARKING, A HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE ALSO BE PROVIDED ON SITE.

AND AS FAR AS THE OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, THERE ARE NO PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS.

UH, THE SITE PROVIDES APPROXIMATELY 5% OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2011.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE NO EXTERIOR, UH, OR FACADE, UH, MODIFICATIONS.

PROPOSED NOTICES WERE PROVIDED TO EIGHT, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE, AND STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES TO THAT NOTICE.

AND IN CONCLUSION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS BEFORE YOU AS REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, THE FIRST BEING THAT THERE BE NO, UM, DEPICTION OF ALCOHOL AND ANY EXTERIOR SIGNAGE, UH, THAT THE FIRE LANE BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE, AND THAT AN ADDITIONAL HANDICAP PARKING SPACE BE PROVIDED ON SITE.

UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PRESENT.

REAL QUICK, THEY ALREADY COOK IN THERE, CORRECT? CURRENTLY, CORRECT.

THEY DO CATERING AND TAKEOUT ONLY OPERATIONS.

THEY, THE VENTED HOOD SLIP, ALL THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE.

WE'RE NOT, CORRECT.

YEAH.

ROAD OR SUNBELT DRIVE DUE TO LACK OF PARKING.

ON, ON THE PARKING ON THIS, UH, SHOULD WE HAVE CONSIDERATION FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT, UH, THE, UH, THERE IS A RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM IS ACTUALLY A DONUT PLACE THAT'S ONLY OPEN UNTIL, I THINK, AT 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING FROM THAT STANDPOINT, FOR THEIR PARKING SPACES TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE TWO THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM THEM? YEAH.

SO THAT WAS A PART OF, OF STAFF'S, UM, REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION WAS LOOKING AT, UH, NOT ONLY THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL FOR DINE-IN RESTAURANT, BUT THE ADJACENT USES AND CURRENT, UH, USE OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.

UH, SO THIS PARTICULAR PARKING LOT STAFF HAS, UH, RARELY OBSERVED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SPILLING OUT ONTO ADDISON, UH,

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UH, THE EXISTING MIXTURE OF USES AS WELL AS, UM, PEAK DEMANDS OF THOSE DIFFERENT USES ARE NOT ALL THE SAME.

SO THEY'RE NOT ALL RESTAURANTS AND ALL HAVE A PEAK DEMAND AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S A LAUNDRY, UM, LAUNDROMAT THERE, A TATTOO SHOP, UH, A DONUT PLACE, I THINK A TACO PLACE, AND, UM, A CONVENIENT STORE AS WELL AS THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT FOR A, A DINE-IN RESTAURANT.

SO THOSE MIXTURE OF USES ALLOWS THE, UH, PARKING TO BE APPROPRIATELY ACCOMMODATED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

SO LESLIE, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, WHERE THE, UH, RESTAURANT CURRENTLY IS LOCATED.

IS THAT GONNA BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT SPOT, OR ARE THEY GONNA RELOCATE TO ANOTHER, UH, SPACE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER? SO, SOULFUL STREET BYS WAS PREVIOUSLY IN SUITE ONE 10, UH, WHICH WAS 800 SQUARE FEET.

THEY HAVE RELOCATED, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY APRIL OR MAY OF THIS YEAR, UH, TO SUITE ONE 10.

UH, SO THEY HAVE ALREADY R RELOCATED SUITES.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NOT BEGUN, UM, ANY DINE-IN OR THE SALE OF ALCOHOL UNTIL THEY GET THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVED.

SO WHERE THE, WHERE THE SIGN IS TODAY IS WHERE THEIR RESTAURANT IS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE? I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.

WOULD YOU, UM, MINE COMING UP, UM, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, SMITH.

THEY'RE COMING FROM EVERYWHERE.

MY NAME IS ELIZABETH SMITH, AND MY HUSBAND'S NAME IS MICHAEL.

HE'S AT WORK .

SO BOTH OF US CAN'T COME.

SO, UH, YEAH, SHE'S RIGHT.

UM, I'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH ADDISON THE LAST, IN SEPTEMBER, IT'LL BE THREE YEARS.

I WAS IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER.

MY TAX OFFICE WAS IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER.

UH, BUT WE ALSO HAD A FOOD TRUCK AT THAT TIME.

AND THEN WE MOVED TO, THE OPPORTUNITY CAME OPEN AND THE FOOD TRUCK JUST BLEW UP.

AND THEN WE MOVED TO 1 0 6, AND THEN WITHIN SIX MONTHS IT BLEW UP.

IT BLEW UP.

WE NEEDED MORE SPACE.

AND THE GUY, TERING, HE WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND THEY ASKED US DID WE WANT IT.

SO WE WENT OVER THERE AND WE REMODELED.

UM, NOW PEOPLE ARE COMING ALL FROM ALL OVER.

THEY'RE COMING FROM FORT WORTH, WAXAHATCHEE, MCKINNEY.

UH, IT'S, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TAKEN OVER D F W, UH, AND THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT WE GOT IS THEY DON'T HAVE NOWHERE TO EAT.

THEY DRIVE SO FAR, AND THEY COME FROM OKLAHOMA.

THEY GOOGLE.

AS OF NOW, WE HAVE ON THE AVERAGE OF ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT VIEW US, UM, ON GOOGLE TO FIND US.

UM, AND WE NEED THE SPACE.

WELL, WE JUST NEED TO ALLOW THEM TO EAT IN WHEN THEY COME.

UM, CUZ I HAD NO, I HAD NO IDEA WE WAS GONNA BE DOING A DONNY, BUT IT JUST GREW TO THIS, UH, AND PROBABLY GROW TO A SECOND LOCATION.

BUT I, LIKE ADDISON IS CENTRALLY LOCATED.

UM, AND THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE SO HAPPY WE THERE.

UM, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN Y'ALL COME EAT.

SO , IF YOU EAT THE FOOD, YOU'LL SEE WHY I BOUGHT YOU DESSERT.

IT'S NOT A PART.

RIGHT.

UM, BUT, UH, IT'S JUST, I CAN'T EXPLAIN TO YOU.

WE JUST HAVE A SERIOUS EPIDEMIC GOING ON.

FRISCO, LITTLE M PROSPER, UH, EVERYWHERE.

AND THE BIGGEST THING IS WHEN THEY GET THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO EAT.

SO WE JUST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.

THE BUILDING IS LIKE 2,800 SQUARE FEET, SO IT'S ENOUGH TO PUT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, NINE TO 12 TABLES, SOME SOMEWHERE FOR THEM TO SIT.

UM, AND SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING.

THAT'S WHY WE PUT, THAT'S WHY WE APPLIED.

I HOPE THERE'S EXPANSION SPACE.

NEXT TIME YOU GET EVEN BIGGER, MAN, .

YEAH.

IF I, IT'S JUST, I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT, UH, THEY COME TO ADDISON, THEY CALL US THE HIDDEN GYM BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WE'RE BACK THERE.

UM, BUT THEY'RE HAPPY WHEN THEY'RE THERE WHEN WE GET THERE.

SO IT'S, HEY, , I'M HERE.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, HUH.

AND, UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO EDUCATE ME.

SO I, I THINK I KNOW THE KIND OF FOOD THAT YOU'RE SERVING, BUT GIVE US AN EXAMPLE.

HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE GOOD FOOD THAT MAKE YOU GO TO SLEEP.

I GAVE, I I'VE GAVE HER YOUR MENUS.

SO WE SELL GOOD WHOLESOME FOOD WITH THE RESTAURANT THAT YOU CAN COME GET SUNDAY DINNER EVERY DAY.

WE HAVE CHICKEN TETRAZZINI, WE HAVE BLACK EYE PEAS, WE HAVE GREENS, WE HAVE CABBAGE, WE HAVE YAMS, WE HAVE MAC AND CHEESE, WE HAVE BRISKET, MAC AND CHEESE.

WE HAVE RIB TIPS.

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, WE HAVE BANANA PUDDING.

I BOUGHT YOU SOME BANANA PUDDING.

I BOUGHT YOU SOME PEACH COBBLER.

OH, I BOUGHT YOU CAKE.

SO WE ARE A FAMILY ORIENTED RESTAURANT.

WE'RE NOT INTO, UH, CLUBBING.

UH, NOTHING LIKE THAT.

UH, MY HUSBAND IS A VETERAN.

HE TOLD ME TO BRING YOU HIS HAT.

, HE VETERAN.

UH, AND HE'S RETIRED AND HE LEFT HIS CORPORATE JOB.

I LEFT MY RETAIL MANAGEMENT JOB OVER 25 YEARS.

AND SOMEHOW WE ARE HERE.

UM, SO SOMEHOW WE HAVE PLANTED FOOT IN ADDISON AND I, I LIKE IT.

WE ACTUALLY LIVE IN, UH, FRISCO AREA, BUT, UM, IT JUST HAPPENED TO FALL LIKE THAT.

GOOD FOR YOU.

IS YOUR PEACH CONVER HOMEMADE? EVERYTHING WE MAKE IS HOMEMADE.

THE MAC AND CHEESES FROM SCRATCH, THE BROCCOLI RICE CHEESES FROM SCRATCH WHEN WE OPEN, WELL, WE'RE OPEN NOW.

I TELL YOU, COME TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT.

WE SELL, WE SELL OXTAILS.

WE SELL CHICKEN AND DRESSING.

WE SELL SEAFOOD DRESSING ON DIFFERENT DAYS.

WE SELL OLD SCHOOL FOOD.

WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE TO EAT.

AGAIN, IT'S NO MORE NUGGETS AND FRIES AND, AND THEY BRING THEIR KIDS IN.

I'M LIKE, NO, THEY HAVE TO GET GREENS.

THEY CAN'T GET FRIES.

UM, SO, AND, AND PEOPLE ARE SO HAPPY CUZ PEOPLE DON'T COOK ANYMORE.

AND THE WHOLE REASON WHY THIS REALLY EVOLVED IS, UM, I'M OLD SCHOOL WHERE, UH, OUR ROOTS ARE FROM MISSISSIPPI.

UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR LIKE 15 YEARS.

UM, BUT PEOPLE DON'T DO FAMILY DINNER ANYMORE.

THEY DON'T DO SUNDAY DINNER ANYMORE.

AND THAT'S KINDA WHERE THIS KIND OF STEMMED FROM IS I DID NOT KNOW THAT PEOPLE IN D F W WAS AS HUNGRY, UM, .

I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE STARVING FOR FOOD.

NOW EVERYONE COMES, THEY COME AND WELCOME EVERYONE.

THAT IS, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I JUST WANNA SAY IT IS SUCH A GREAT STORY AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR RUNNING A SUCH A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.

AND, UH, JUST HAPPY THAT YOU'RE HERE.

US, WHEN WE WERE IN THE 800 SQUARE FOOT ON SUNDAY, WE ONLY OPENED 12 TO FIVE.

THE LINES WOULD BE ON A PRETTY DAY, THE LINES WOULD BE GOING DOWN THE SIDEWALK.

OH, WOW.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

I'M LIKE, I JUST WANTED TO DO TAKEOUT AND CATERING.

AND LO AND BEHOLD, THAT CORNER CAME OPEN AND THEY CALLED AND THEY SAID, Y'ALL NEED THE SPACE.

UM, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT OR HOW WE GOT HERE.

YES.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Y'ALL NEED TO COME EAT.

WE'LL BE VISITING YOU.

YOU'LL BE THERE.

WELL, AFTER SEEING THE MENU AND HEARING YOU ABSOLUTELY.

YES.

AND CHARGE US FULL PRICE TOO.

DON'T GIVE US ANY GOOD.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S IT.

UH, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THIS IS A PUBLIC, UH, MEETING.

SO, UH, WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL CARDS AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S ANYONE ONLINE.

WELL THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, AND IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION.

I MOVE TO APPROVE 1 8 8 2, UH, S U AT 16,601 ADDISON ROAD, SUITE 1 0 6 SOULFUL STREET BITES WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION? CARRIE IS CONGRATULATIONS.

OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, AGENDA ITEM FIVE.

[5. Hold a public hearing, present, discuss, and consider action on a request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) for property located at 4851 Keller Springs Road, Suite 203, that is currently zoned Planned Development (PD), through Ordinance No. O85-006, to allow an educational institution. Case 1887-SUP/4851 Keller Springs Road, Suite 203 (Vital Skills Training Center). ]

UH, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, 1887, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY.

LOCATED AT 48 51 KELLER SPRINGS ROAD, SUITE 2 0 3.

THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT THROUGH ORDINANCE NUMBER OH EIGHT FIVE DASH 0 0 6 TO ALLOW AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION, LESLIE, LESLIE KNIGHT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, UH, LOCATED AT, UH, 58 51 KELLER SPRINGS ROAD.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO OCCUPY A SUITE 2 0 3 TO OPEN AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION IN THIS CASE.

IT IS A, UH, VITAL SKILLS TRAINING CENTER SPECIALIZING IN, UH, CERTIFIED NURSING ASSISTANT TRAINING, CPR, AND, UH, BASIC LIFE SUPPORT TRAINING AS WELL.

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NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

PERFECT.

SO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SITE WAS DEVELOPED, UH, IN THE EIGHTIES WITH AN APPROXIMATELY 50,000, 53,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, OFFICE WAREHOUSE, UM, STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS TODAY.

UH, IT WAS REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL TO THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN THE REQUEST THIS EVENING, AS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, TO ALLOW A EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION, UM, BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN, ARE PHOTOS OF THE INTERIOR OF THE SUITE, INCLUDING, UH, THE CLASSROOM AND THE SKILLS ROOM, WHICH WE WILL SPEAK ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT.

SO THE SUITE IS JUST UNDER 2000 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THEY'RE OPERA, UH, INTENDING TO OPERATE, UH, TRAINING, INCLUDING THE CERTIFIED NURSING ASSISTANT TRAINING, UH, BASIC LIFE SUPPORT AND CPR TRAINING AS WELL.

THE SUITE WILL BE BROKEN UP INTO THE CLASSROOM, A SKILLS ROOM, WHICH IS, UH, SET UP TO MIMIC A PATIENT'S ROOM FOR THAT SKILLS TRAINING, AS WELL AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, A BREAK ROOM IN A LOBBY.

THE PROPOSED CLASS SIZES FOR THE CNA COURSES ARE PROPOSED TO BE BETWEEN, UH, FIVE AND 20 STUDENTS.

AND THO THE HOURS FOR THOSE CLASSES WOULD BE HELD BETWEEN EIGHT AND 5:00 PM AND THE CPR AND, UH, BASIC LIFE SUPPORT TRAINING WOULD, UH, CLASS SIZE WOULD BE BETWEEN ONE AND NINE STUDENTS, AND THOSE WOULD BE HELD ON DEMAND, UH, FOR ANY INTERESTED PARTIES.

UH, THAT COULD INCLUDE HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

THE LOBBYISTS PROPOSED TO BE OPEN, UH, AND ACCESSIBLE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 8:00 PM UH, MONDAY, EXCUSE ME, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

AND THAT IS TO ALLOW, UH, WHETHER THAT'S THE CPR TRAINING THAT WOULD HAPPEN ON DEMAND, OR IF THERE'S ANY, UM, OF THE OTHER COURSEWORK THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, MADE UP AT A LATER TIME OR OUTSIDE OF THOSE, UH, COURSE HOURS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AS I MENTIONED, THIS SITE IS, UH, ON KELLER SPRINGS, AND IT HAS APPROXIMATELY 53,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, OFFICE WAREHOUSE STRUCTURE.

UH, THE, UH, USES PRIMARILY INCLUDE, UH, OFFICE WAREHOUSING AND OR SHOWROOM USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THIS BUILDING.

UH, THIS PROPOSED USE WOULD FUNCTION VERY SIMILARLY TO AN OFFICE, AS YOU SAW ON THE FLOOR PLAN, UH, AND IS UNLIKELY TO HAVE A LARGE INFLUX OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT, UH, ON A, UH, SIGNIFICANT OR OR REGULAR BASIS AS THE CLASS SIZES WILL BE RELATIVELY SMALL.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR SITE WAS APPROVED, UH, FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN 1985.

AND WITH THAT, THERE WAS A SITE PLAN, WHICH IS, UH, BEFORE YOU ON THAT SITE PLAN, THERE WAS 174 PARKING SPACES IDENTIFIED.

CURRENTLY, THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS PROVIDE 150 PARKING SPACES.

UH, STAFF SUSPECTS THAT THROUGH, UM, SEVERAL, UH, INTERVENTIONS THAT PARKING DEFICIT COULD HAVE BEEN CREATED.

IT ALSO COULD HAVE BEEN CREATED WHEN THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED.

THAT IS SOMEWHAT UNKNOWN WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SITE, UH, THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN THE LATE EIGHTIES AND SOME POSSIBLE LACK OF, UH, HISTORICAL RECORDS ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

UH, ALL THAT TO SAY, UH, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE DEFICIT, UH, FOR THE EXISTING USE AND THE PROPOSED USES OF THE SITE WILL CREATE ANY CONCERN AS THERE IS INFREQUENTLY, UH, PARKING CONCERNS OR HIGH DEMAND OF PARKING AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, FOR OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING, THERE ARE NO EXTERIOR, UH, MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED, INCLUDING THE FACADE, LANDSCAPING, OR OPEN SPACE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY PROPOSING TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE INTERIOR OF THE SUITE EITHER.

UH, HOWEVER, I WILL MENTION THAT THE FUTURE RECONSTRUCTION PLANS OF, UH, KELLER SPRINGS ROAD WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THE FRONT LANDSCAPING OF THIS PROPERTY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, STAFF NOTICED, UH, ALL, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE THAT INCLUDED 108, UH, RECIPIENTS AND STAFF DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES, UH, TO THIS REQUEST.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PRESENT.

THANK YOU, LESLIE.

ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR LESLIE? ALL RIGHT.

UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? YES.

MY NAME IS TERRA CITA CAS.

WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS TERRA.

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I'M CURRENTLY, I'M AT 1 38 SPANISH BLUE GIRL DRIVE IN WILEY, TEXAS.

RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I DO.

SO THE, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IN THESE CLASSES, ARE THEY SINGLE DAY, UM, CLASSES, OR ARE THEY MULTI-DAY, OR ARE THEY A COMBINATION OF BOTH? OKAY.

SO CURRENTLY THE CPR R CLASSES ARE JUST A FOUR HOUR COURSE.

UM, AND WE CAN HOLD UP TO NINE AT THE MOMENT.

UM, JUST ME AND MY SISTER BEING THE INSTRUCTORS, WE CAN ONLY DO NINE AT A TIME.

UM, THE CNA CLASSES, WHEN THEY START, WE CAN HAVE UP TWO 20 STUDENTS, UM, IN THE CLASS.

AND THE CNA, UM, CLASS WILL BE TWO WEEKS LONG.

TWO WEEKS, YEAH, TWO WEEKS LONG, ONE WEEK IN CLASS, AND THEN THE OTHER WEEK WILL BE AT CLINICAL SITE.

SO JUST REALLY ONE WEEK IN THE, IN THE BUILDING.

AND ARE Y'ALL AFFILIATED OR ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, A NETWORK HO HOSPITAL NETWORK OR ANYBODY? NO, NO.

WE WE'RE BOTH REGISTERED NURSES.

UM, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO START CNA TRAINING PROGRAM OURSELVES.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH YOUR CERTIFICATION IN ORDER TO USE THE CEES TO THE STUDENTS ALSO? OR I'M SORRY, SAY IT AGAIN.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING THROUGH ANY CERTIFICATION IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GRANT CE FOR PEOPLE THAT ATTEND IN THE FUTURE? WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER CE CREDITS.

UM, RIGHT NOW THE CNA TRAINING PROGRAM WOULD JUST OFFER A CERTIFICATE THAT WOULD ALLOW STUDENTS TO THEN TAKE THE CERTIFICATION THROUGH THE STATE AND GET, GET CERTIFIED.

SO THEY'LL HAVE TO DO SKILLS AND TAKE A WRITTEN TEST WITH THE STATE, BUT OUR PROGRAM PREPARES THEM FOR THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE MORE.

SURE.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU CURRENTLY SOMEPLACE ELSE OR THIS IS JUST A NEW BUSINESS FOR YOU? BRAND NEW BUSINESS.

BRAND NEW, YEP.

MM-HMM.

, AND THIS MAY NOT BE DIRECTED NECESSARILY TO YOU AS MUCH AS THEM AS IS WHO'S BEEN BROUGHT IN ON THIS CODE VIOLATION PROBLEMS. IS, IS SHE AWARE OF THIS AS WELL OR IS THIS THE FIRST SHE'S HEARING ABOUT TONIGHT? LIKE HAVE THEY MENTIONED IT TO YOU, THE CODE VIOLATIONS? YEAH.

SO, UM, , OKAY, THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION MYSELF.

UH, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, THOSE ARE THE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT GROUP CODE VIOLATIONS ARE TYPICALLY BROUGHT AGAINST THE OWNER, CORRECT? I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WAS AWARE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE.

I MEAN, IF I WAS GOING AS A TENANT INTO A BUILDING, I WOULD BEEN, BE AWARE THAT MY OWNER IS NOT IN CODE ENCODE, ENCODE WITH THE CITY, THE TOWN, AND IS THE PARKING NO, THAT'S A OH ISSUE.

OKAY, THEN NO, I HAVE NO IDEA.

STUFF WITH THE SPEED BUMPS AND SOME OTHER JUST MINOR THINGS THAT NEED TO GET FIXED, BUT, OKAY.

AND IF I COULD COMMENT ON THE CODE ISSUE, IF I COULD COMMENT ON THE CODE ISSUE, UH, FOR A MOMENT, IT, IT'S, UM, LESLIE'S DOING A VERY GOOD JOB IN THAT.

SHE'S USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY AS WE LOOK AT THIS SITE TO LOOK AT CODE COMPLIANCE FOR THE SITE.

THE, THE TRICKY THING IS, OF COURSE, IT'S A MULTI-TENANT SITE.

IT'S A LARGER SITE.

UM, THIS IS A SMALL COMPONENT OF IT.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS GLOBALLY IN THE TOWN WITH ALL OF OUR MULTI-TENANT SITES.

AND AS YOU JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH MANY OF THOSE SITES AND LOOK AROUND AND SEE, UM, A VARIETY OF CONDITIONS THAT OCCURRED EITHER AT THE START WHEN IT DEVELOPED, OR AS THINGS EVOLVED OVER TIME, IT CAN QUICKLY BECOME A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE.

SO THINK ABOUT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IF WE TRIED TO ADDRESS GLOBAL CODE VIOLATIONS FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL S U P OR BUSINESS THAT CAME THROUGH THERE, THINK ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY THAT WOULD CREATE.

SO IT'S, LESLIE'S RECOMMENDATION KIND OF SPEAKS TO THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THAT WE WANT TO HANDLE IT SEPARATELY, BUT CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL CASE AS WELL.

I WOULD ADD THAT IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING CONSIDERING IT WITH, AS A CONDITION TO THE S U P, UM, THAT YOU BE SPECIFIC IN ADDRESSING THE THREE ISSUES AND BE SPECIFIC IN REQUIRING THAT THERE BE A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE PLAN OR SCHEDULE FOR BRINGING THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES INTO COMPLIANCE, MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE SCHEDULE WITH, UM, THAT THE, UH, OWNER WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO COME UP WITH A SCHEDULE TO BRING THOSE INTO COMPLIANCE.

BUT, UM, PART OF THE

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CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, IF IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES HAVE TO ISSUE CITATIONS, THOSE ARE HANDLED IN THE MUNICIPAL COURT.

UM, THOSE ARE CRIMINAL CASES, AND THOSE, UH, COULD LEAD, LEAD TO FINES.

AND SO THOSE FINES ARE, UM, WORK SOMEWHAT AS A DETERRENT TO, UM, ENTICE THE OWNER TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE TO AVOID THEM.

SO I'LL, I'LL ASK IT AGAIN.

YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT YOU, THESE, THESE WILL BE ADDRESSED AND, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON IT AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL MAKE THE OWNER AWARE AND WE'LL, WE'LL FIND A SOLUTION AS SOON AS YOU CAN.

I, I'M CONFIDENT THAT OUR ENFORCEMENT STAFF WILL APPLY OUR ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES TO THIS PROPERTY APPROPRIATELY.

THE THE CHALLENGE ALWAYS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT IS YOU ULTIMATELY ARE DEPENDENT ON THE PROPERTY OWNER BRINGING THEIR PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.

WE HAVE TOOLS TO INCENTIVIZE THAT, THAT JULIE MENTIONED, SUCH AS CITATIONS, UH, CRIMINAL PENALTIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT ULTIMATELY WE STILL NEED THEM TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.

WHERE IT GETS TRICKY IS, IS HAVING THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER THEN GET, GET, UH, UH, INTRODUCED TO THAT ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE TYPICALLY, UNLESS IT'S LIKE A SINGLE TENANT SITE, UH, WE, WE TRY TO, TO SEPARATE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES FROM THE ZONING ISSUES.

YEAH.

THE NEW BUSINESS IS GONNA HAVE ENOUGH, UH, ISSUES GETTING STARTED AND ESTABLISHED AND ALL THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO BE BROUGHT IN ON AN ISSUE THAT IS NOT UNDER THEIR PURVIEW TO FIX.

RIGHT.

AND, AND FOR LARGE PROPERTIES THAT YOU CAN, YOU COULD GET INTO SOME, SOME REALLY STRANGE SCENARIOS.

YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THOUSAND FEET AWAY FROM THE SMALL BUSINESS THAT'S OPERATING ON ONE SIDE OF THE SITE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

AND IT, AND, BUT IF WE APPLIED THIS, THIS, THAT APPROACH TO IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD IMPACT THAT BUSINESS.

SO IT, IT VERY QUICKLY CAN GET EXTREMELY COMPLEX.

THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR LESLIE AND KEN ON THAT TOPIC? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, THIS IS A, A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

WITH NO ONE HERE.

UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND CALL FOR A MOTION MOVE THAT WE APPROVE SEP 1887 SLASH 48 51 FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, UH, THIS NEW ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS VITAL SKILLS TRAINING CENTER, UH, WITH THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE LISTED A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION WILL CARRY

[6. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on a Preliminary Plat for the AMLI Treehouse Addition, a mixed-use development on 13.604 acres located on the west side of Midway Road, approximately 1,000 feet south of Beltway Drive and Immediately north of the Redding Trail Dog Park. Case PP2023-06/AMLI Treehouse Addition.]

OUR NEXT AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE ALEY TREE HOUSE EDITION.

A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON 13.604 ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF MIDWAY ROAD, APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND FEET SOUTH OF THE BELTWAY DRIVE AND IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE REDDING TRAIL DOG PARK.

LESLIE, CAN WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE? YES.

LESLIE KNIGHT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MAN MANAGER FOR THE TOWN.

UH, ITEM SIX IS A, UH, REQUEST FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE AM EMILY TREE HOUSE, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A 30 DAY EXTENSION FOR THIS ITEM, UH, TO FURTHER REFINE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND GET IT TO A POINT WHERE, UH, IT CAN COME BEFORE YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, AND STAFF IS, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT EX 30 DAY EXTENSION.

SO, UH, IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE AUGUST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, LESLIE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM FOR LESLIE? ALL RIGHT.

UM, WE'LL CALL FOR A MOTION.

I MOVE TO APPROVE AS IS SECOND.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, IS THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION? THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

NOW OPEN THIS CITIZEN COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING.

THE MOTION WILL CARRY THE LAST PORTION OF OUR MEETING.

UH, WE'LL

[5. Citizen Comments: At this time citizens will be allowed to speak on any matter other than personnel matters under litigation, for a length of time not to exceed three minutes. No P&Z action or discussion may. No Council action or discussion may take place on any matter until such matter has been placed on an agenda and posted in accordance with law.]

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UM, AT THIS TIME, UM, CITIZENS WILL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON A MATTER OTHER THAN PERSONNEL MATTERS UNDER LITIGATION FOR A LENGTH OF TIME NOT TO EXCEED THREE MINUTES.

UH, NO PLANNING AND ZONING ACTION OR DISCUSSION, UH, MAY TAKE PLACE ON ANY MATTER UNTIL SUCH MATTER HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE AGENDA AND POSTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW.

WE DO HAVE ONE, UM, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ONLINE.

UH, AND IT'S FROM, UM, ELIZABETH SMITH, UM, 16 6 0 1 ADDISON ROAD, UH, 75,001.

AND I BELIEVE ELIZABETH WAS THE APPLICANT FOR THAT AGENDA ITEM.

WE WILL JUST YOU.

UM, MY ONE COMMENT WOULD BE, UM, TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF GOING THROUGH THE S U I, THE S U, THE, THE, THE SOUP.

UM, I, I THINK JUST MAYBE THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION.

SOMEHOW WE, THE COMMUNICATION PIECE OF THE STEPS THAT WE GO THROUGH, IT WAS KIND OF FRUSTRATING.

UM, CUZ YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER JUST FOR LITTLE PEOPLE LIKE THE MOM AND POPS OR SO FORTH, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF CHECKLIST OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE FOR US LITTLE PEOPLE, OUR MOM AND POP PEOPLE, WE DON'T HAVE A BIG CORPORATE OFFICE THAT HAVE PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT GOING DOWN THE LINE AND JUST THE TIMEFRAME.

SO 90 DAYS IS THE, THE TIMELINE, THE PROCESS, RIGHT? UH, IT TAKES 90 DAYS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT US LITTLE PEOPLE MIGHT NOT HAVE 90 DAYS TO SPEND .

TIME IS MONEY.

CORPORATE OFFICE HAS MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.

BUT I FEEL LIKE IF WE COULD KIND OF STREAMLINE THE PROCESS OR SPEED UP THE PROCESS OR COMMUNICATION OF EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WHERE IF THAT PERSON IS WILLING TO DO IT, GET IT DONE WITHIN 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS, NOT TAKE IT OVER 90 DAYS.

UM, BECAUSE ME MOVING INTO, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

I USED MYSELF, US MOVING INTO A BIGGER LOCATION.

OUR RENT WENT UP THREE TIMES, BUT THE EXPECTATION IS WHEN YOU GOT THE DIN AND WHEN YOU GOT THE BAR IN PLACE, THAT WOULD, UM, PAY FOR THE EXTRA INCOME.

BUT WHEN YOU GOTTA WAIT 90 DAYS OR LONGER, 120 DAYS, AND YOU STILL JUST DOING TAKEOUT AND, UH, CATERING, THAT DOESN'T PAY FOR THE THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS RENT.

SO JUST, IT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION JUST SOMEHOW AS LITTLE PEOPLE GET LOST IN THE BIG WORLD OF, UH, ALL THE CODES AND THE VIOLATION.

I HEARD YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT THE CODES AND THE CODES AND THE VIOLATIONS, UM, WITH THE LADY BACK THERE.

UM, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CODES AND VIOLATIONS AND THE LANDLORD AND WHAT THEIR HISTORY IS AND, AND SO FORTH.

UM, AND I I WOULD JUST SAY IN THAT BEGINNING PROCESS, ONCE YOU PUT THE APPLICATION IN, MAYBE, UH, YOU GUYS CAN THINK OF SOME WAY THAT, UM, THE PERSON PUTTING IT IN CAN HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION.

UH, I MEAN, UH, LESLIE IS ONLY ONE PERSON, UH, TO GET HER SOME HELP.

, THAT'S ALL I CAN, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

THAT'S ALL THAT'S, THAT WAS MY COMMENT.

AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT FOR SHARING THAT.

THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE TO FIND A CONSULTANT THAT CAN DO THAT.

NOT TO PUT YOU GUYS ON THE SPOT, BUT ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT PROCESS? YEAH, I, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT AND I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND, AND I, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS APPROPRIATE.

I, I THINK THE, THE GREATEST CHALLENGE FOR OUR S U P PROCESS, SO THE S U P PROCESS IS, IS FAIRLY UNIQUE.

UH, MOST CITIES DON'T REQUIRE THIS LEVEL OF ZONING ENTITLEMENT FOR, UM, A PROJECT LIKE THIS, UH, WHICH IS, UH, FAIRLY BENIGN.

UH, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT BESIDES A POSITIVE IMPACT IN THAT CENTER.

UM, BUT WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT ADDISON IS WE DO HAVE A ZONING PROCESS FOR EVERY RESTAURANT THAT COMES THROUGH IF THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING SEP THAT ADDRESSES THAT RESTAURANT.

SO IT PUTS A LOT OF STRESS ON THE SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE IT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HIRE A CONSULTANT FOR AND THEY WOULD WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND THAT PROCESS INCLUDES PREPARING PLANS.

AND NOT ALL SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR THAT OR HAVE THE TIME TO FIND A CONSULTANT OR THE,

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SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, NEED TO LOOK AT WITH THE UDC IS CREATING SOME THRESHOLDS BY WHICH AN S U P IS REQUIRED.

THERE'S, UM, A LOT OF RESTAURANTS AND HOW THEY OPERATE, WHERE I THINK IT'S STILL A NEED, BUT A RESTAURANT LIKE THIS, I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE NOT REQUIRING AN S U P IN THE FUTURE.

UM, AND COMMUNICATION IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON.

UH, COMMUNICATION IS A, IS A TWO-WAY ISSUE TOO, BUT OUR STAFF ALWAYS HAS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT ON THAT.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK AND, AND WE WILL, WE'LL STRIVE TO DO BETTER IN THE FUTURE.

SO KIM, JUST AS A SORT OF, UM, OBSERVATION, DOES IT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE MAYBE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BUCKETS FOR RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL AND THOSE THAT DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL, THOSE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE UNDER 50 PEOPLE FROM ZERO TO 50, 50 TO A HUNDRED, OVER A HUNDRED, WHATEVER THAT IS, IS OR IS THE PROCESS JUST PRETTY MUCH IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

NO, I, I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT TAKE THE BUCKET APPROACH.

THE BIG THING FOR ME IS, IS PROBABLY LESS, UM, ALCOHOL.

IT'S MORE THE LATE NIGHT HOURS.

UH, WE HAVE MANY RESTAURANTS LIKE THIS ONE, UH, WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY AS WELL THAT, UM, IT, IT, ALCOHOL SERVICE IS NOT AN ISSUE.

WHERE WE RUN INTO THE ISSUES IS PRIMARILY THE RESTAURANTS THAT, THAT STAY OPEN AND RESTAURANTS PROBABLY A GENEROUS TERM FOR SOME OF THESE PLACES THAT STAY OPEN AND, AND, AND KEEP LATE NIGHT HOURS.

SO THAT PICK UP THE KIND OF THE AFTER PARTY CROWD.

UM, SO THAT IS WHERE THE S U P IS, IS PROBABLY MOST NEEDED.

SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE.

THE OTHER TRICKY THING WITH OUR SMALL BUSINESSES IS THEY FREQUENTLY ARE, UM, JUST, IT'S THE NATURE OF THINGS.

THEY'RE FINDING THE SPACES THAT ARE, ARE MOST ECONOMICAL AND REALISTIC FOR THEM ARE ALSO SOME OF OUR OLDEST SPACES, WHICH TEND TO HAVE THE MOST CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES.

SO THE BOTH OF THESE, UH, SITES, THESE PROJECTS WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, I THINK REFLECT THAT.

SO IT OFTEN, ONE, IT MAKES OUR JOB MORE DIFFICULT IN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A WIN-WIN AND IN HELPING THESE BUSINESSES GET ESTABLISHED.

BUT TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO BE PRETTY, TAKE A POLITIC, PRETTY FLEXIBLE APPROACH TO, TO REGULATION TOO.

SOME PLANNERS WOULD LOOK AT SOME OF THESE ISSUES IN A VERY BLACK AND WHITE WAY AND SAY, NO, YOU DON'T MEET PARKING.

THIS WON'T DO THAT.

SPACE NEEDS TO STAY VACANT.

THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE HERE IN ADDISON WHERE OUR, OUR ROLE IS TO, TO KEEP OUR BUSINESSES VIBRANT AND FULL AND ACTIVE AND TO SUPPORT GREAT BUSINESSES LIKE THIS.

SO WE TRY TO WORK WITH IT, BUT SOMETIMES THAT MAKES IT MORE, UH, CHALLENGING AND CUMBERSOME AND DIFFICULT FOR OUR APPLICANTS.

AND THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THOSE OLDER CENTERS KIND OF BEAR THE BRUNT OF THAT.

THIS, THIS LADY IS A HUNDRED PERCENT SPOT ON.

YOU KNOW, THE BIG COMPANIES HAVE A TEAM OF PEOPLE TO DO ALL OF THE STUFF THAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND AND WHOEVER SHE CAN GET TO HELP ARE GONNA HAVE ABSOLUTELY ALL.

SO, SO DOES THE TOWN PROVIDE LIKE, NAMES OF THEM FOR SPACE PLANNERS AND THAT MAYBE THAT ARE ADDISON BASED WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RIGHT HERE IN, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE MORE, IT'S A TRICKY AWARE WITH HOW THE TOWN WORKS, OR DO YOU GET INTO TOO MUCH TROUBLE WITH PUTTING OUT A LIST LIKE THAT? IT'S A TRICKY ETHICAL LINE FOR A PUBLIC AGENCY.

UM, SO WE, WE DON'T, UH, PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS OR LISTS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IT CAN, IT CAN KIND OF BE A PERCEIVED OR, OR WHETHER IT'S REAL OR PERCEIVED.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A, SOMETHING, A PATH.

WE, WE GO DOWN AND, AND REALLY MOST PUBLIC AGENCIES DON'T EITHER.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S A, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANTS DO HAVE TO BEAR WHERE WE CAN IMPACT THAT IS ONE, HAVING BETTER COMMUNICATION AND TWO, HAVING BETTER PROCESSES.