* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Call Meeting to Order] [00:00:03] ALL RIGHT. IT IS FIVE O'CLOCK TUESDAY, JUNE 20TH, 2023. WE ARE IN THE ADDISON CONFERENCE CENTER. THIS IS THE WORK SESSION OF ADDISON PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION BEING CALLED TO ORDER. KEN, DO [1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.] YOU HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS AS WELL AS ANY UPDATES ON IMPORTANT EVENTS AROUND THE TOWN COMMISSION SERVICES? WE HAVE ONE ITEM TABLE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, UH, AND THAT, UH, TABLING, UH, WAS REQUESTED TO OCCUR UNTIL, UH, JULY 25TH, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UH, THERE WILL BE A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THAT ITEM. UH, THAT'S THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, JULY 6TH. UH, IT'LL BE HELD IN THIS SPACE. AND, UH, YOU CAN FIND, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT IN THE TOWN NEWSLETTER AS, UH, THAT MEETING APPROACHES, UH, STAFF IS ALSO WORKING TO, UH, UH, COME TO AGREEMENT WITH A CONSULTANT AND SELECT A CONSULTANT FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROJECT. UH, THAT PROCESS IS NEARING COMPLETION, SO YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING COME TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, IN JULY, UH, WHICH WILL REFLECT, UH, UH, US PROCEEDING, UH, WITH THAT, UH, CONSULTANT TEAM TO SUPPORT THAT PROJECT. THEN ULTIMATELY KICKING OFF THAT PROJECT AS WELL. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL ADDRESS LONG RANGE PLANNING NEEDS THROUGHOUT ADDISON, UH, FOR THE FUTURE. SO, UH, VERY EXCITED AND CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WILL BE INVOLVED IN MOVING FORWARD. YES, MA'AM. UNDERSTAND. WHY DOES ECHO, UH, IS THE ECHO BACK? I, DO YOU THINK MAYBE IF YOU CAME AND SPOKE AT THIS PODIUM, WE WOULD HEAR YOU BETTER? I'LL GIVE THAT A TRY. OKAY. THERE'S JUST APPARENTLY SOME REVERBERATION UP IN THE, CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW? THAT'S A WHOLE LOT BETTER. ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESTART? YEAH, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY. ALL RIGHT. JULY 6TH, . SO THERE WAS ONE ITEM FROM YOUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING THAT MOVED FORWARD FOR, OKAY, NOW I HEAR THE ECHO. DO Y'ALL HEAR IT TOO? YEAH. OKAY. THEY'RE A LOT LOUDER THOUGH, . OKAY. SO, UH, IT MOVED FORWARD, UH, FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AT THEIR LAST MEETING, UH, THE APPLICANT, WHITE ROCK CHAPEL REQUESTED, UH, TO POSTPONE CONSIDERATION OF THAT ITEM, UH, TO THE COUNCIL'S JULY 25TH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UH, WE'VE ALSO ANNOUNCED THAT THERE WILL BE A COMMUNITY MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT PROJECT ON JULY 6TH. IT WILL BE HELD HERE. ADDITIONAL DETAIL WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE TOWN NEWSLETTER AS THAT MEETING APPROACHES. UH, THE TOWN ALSO IS IN THE PROCESS OF PROCURING AND SELECTING A PLANNING CONSULTANT TO SUPPORT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. UH, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT, UH, OF COURSE FOR THE TOWN, AND THAT IT WILL HELP US SHAPE A LONG RANGE VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. AND GIVEN THAT IT'S, UH, UH, LARGELY A LAND USE PLANNING EXERCISE, IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WILL BE INVOLVED IN AS WELL. SO WE'LL MAKE A SELECTION AND PRESENT THAT SELECTION TO COUNCIL IN JULY. AND THEN WE'LL ULTIMATELY KICK OFF THAT PROJECT AND BEGIN, UH, RECRUITING MEMBERS, UH, TO SERVE ON A PROJECT STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE. SO, VERY EXCITED TO MOVE THAT PROJECT FORWARD. DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, UH, THIS EVENING? ANYBODY? IS THAT, UM, COMPREHENSIVE AND DIFFERENCE IN THE UDC? YES. THEC. THE UDC IS THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT, SO THAT IS AN UPDATE OF THE TOWN'S ZONING ORDINANCE AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO THAT, OF COURSE, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PROGRESSED A BIT, UH, BUT HAVE HAD SOME DELAYS BECAUSE OUR, OUR, UH, UH, WHITE, THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL S U P APPLICATION WAS TABLED AND POSTPONED TO JULY 25TH, WHERE WE WERE ORIGINALLY INTENDING TO MEET ABOUT THE UDC. UH, WE DID CANCEL THAT MEETING, SO WE'RE WORKING ON RESCHEDULING THAT JOINT MEETING, UH, WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. SO I'LL GET A DATE ON YOUR CALENDAR SOON. SO YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE IN AUGUST. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, DENISE. I CAN'T HEAR JULIE VERY WELL FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MIKE ISSUE OR WHAT. I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT SHE ASKED YOU. IS THIS BETTER? YEP. THANK YOU. SO ARE YOU LOOKING AT AUGUST THEN? UH, IDEALLY THE CONSULTANT'S SCHEDULE IS PRETTY TIGHT, SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE EITHER LATE SEPTEMBER, EARLY OCTOBER. SO WE'LL GET SOMETHING ON YOUR CALENDAR SOON. IS THAT GONNA PUSH OUT SIGNIFICANTLY TO FINAL PRODUCT? UH, I WOULDN'T SAY SO. UM, IT WILL ACTUALLY HELP US, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE HIRING, UH, WELL, WE HAVE HIRED, BUT THEY'LL BE STARTING, UH, WE'LL HAVE A NEW, UH, STAFF MEMBER, A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MANAGER. SO THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO BE COMMITTED TO THAT PROJECT [00:05:01] AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. WHEREAS, UM, UNDER THE CURRENT STATUS, IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'VE KIND OF HAD TO NURSE ALONG IN ADDITION TO ALL MY OTHER DUTIES. SO, UH, I THINK WE'LL ACTUALLY BE MOVING QUITE EFFICIENTLY ON THAT PROJECT HERE SHORTLY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO [2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the May 16, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting: May 16, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Amending Plat Approval Request for Addison Grove Addition (R2023-04/Addison Grove Addition) Site Plan Approval Request for Lacrosse Barn (SP2022-07/14801 Inwood Road) Planned Development Amendment and Development Plan Approval Request for 16675 Addison Road (1886-SUP/16675 Addison Road)] THE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS THAT WILL BE ON FOR THE REGULAR MEETING. SO WE HAVE THREE ITEMS UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA. FIRST ITEM IS THE MAY 16TH MEETING MINUTES. EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE. ANY COMMENTS, EDITS, ADDITIONS. OKAY. AND ITEM TWO IS AMENDING A PLAT APPROVAL FOR THE ADDISON GROVE. ACTUALLY, THAT WAS YOUR AGENDA, BUT I THINK UNDER THE OFFICIAL AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, IT'S GONNA BE, THE LACROSSE BARN WILL BE THE NUMBER TWO ITEM. UM, OKAY. SO, BUT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MATTERS WHICH ORDER THEY COME IN. SURE. SO I WILL START WITH ITEM TWO ON THE CONSENT, WHICH IS THE, UH, LACROSSE BARN SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SO THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH, IT WAS FORMERLY USED, UM, AS A SOCCER COMPLEX. IT IS ON INWOOD ROAD, UH, SPECIFICALLY 14,801 INWOOD ROAD. IT'S, UH, SET BACK OFF OF INWOOD ROAD QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. SO YOU, FOR THE MOST PART, CAN'T SEE ANY OF THE STRUCTURES FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT, UM, NEVERTHELESS, THE AF THE SITE PLAN PROPOSES TO, UH, DEMO, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN DEMOED, UH, A PREVIOUSLY EXISTING, UM, INFLATED DOME STRUCTURE. AND THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED. UH, THE EXISTING A-FRAME STRUCTURE WOULD BE RENOVATED QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, AND THAT WOULD FOCUS ON AN INDI INDOOR, UM, LACROSSE FIELD, AS WELL AS OBSER, UH, OBSERVATION AREAS. UH, THERE WOULD BE CONCESSION STAND, UH, FACILITIES TO BE USED, UH, LOCKER ROOMS, OFFICES, AND SO FORTH. UH, THEN THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING A NEW STRUCTURE, WHICH ON THE SITE PLAN IS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS BUILDING B. UM, THAT IS A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY STRUCTURE, UM, THAT WOULD BE NEW TO THE SITE, UH, THAT WOULD FEATURE INDOOR LACROSSE FIELDS TWO, ONE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AS WELL AS RESTROOMS. UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE ARE QUITE SIGNIFICANT, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING AND PARKING, AS WELL AS EMERGENCY ACCESS. SO THE SITE, UM, AS IT EXISTS TODAY, DOES NOT HAVE A TRUE EMERGENCY ACCESS. AND WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, WE'D BE ABLE TO GET A FIRE ENGINE IN AND AROUND THE SITE. YEAH. QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT ONE. THE SOCCER FACILITY SOLD BEER. HAVE THEY EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO HAVE A, THE RIGHT TO SELL BEER AND WINE? SORRY, I MISSED THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION. SOCCER FACILITY SOLD BEER. SO THEY, THE CURRENT, OR THE LACROSSE BARN IS CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL ONE. SO THAT'S HOW, UH, IT WAS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WERE REVIEWED FOR INDUSTRIAL ONE. UH, CURRENTLY, AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE, UM, ON, ON PREMISE OR OFF PREMISE. AND IT IS ONLY ALLOWED BY S U P WITHIN, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S LOCAL RETAIL AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. SO THE EXISTING I ONE ZONING DOES NOT EVEN MAKE THIS SITE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR AN S U P. UM, AND SINCE IF THERE WAS, UH, ANY USE, UH, AS FAR AS THE SALE OF ALCOHOL THAT MAY HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME, UM, EXISTING AS A NONCONFORMING USE OR, OR WHATEVER THE SCENARIO, I'M NOT FAMILIAR. UM, IT HAS CEASED SINCE. OKAY. IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, LELY, WHY WOULD THIS, THIS NOT BE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA? WHY IS IT UNDER CONSENT AGENDA? SO, , UH, IF YOU RECALL, GOSH, IT WAS PROBABLY BACK IN MARCH, UH, WE HAD KIND OF A BACKLOG OF A LOT OF AIRPORT RELATED SITE PLANS. AND I THINK WE DID ONE, ONE NIGHT, MAYBE LIKE FIVE OR SIX SITE PLANS. YEAH. AND IT WAS QUITE SIGNIFICANT. AND IT WAS, UH, THE CONSENSUS OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION TO PUSH THESE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, TO AVOID A POTENTIALLY LONG DRAWN OUT, UM, PRESENTATION THAT MAY BE TIME CONSUMING IN A MEETING. UM, I THINK KEN AND I ARE BOTH OPEN TO FEEDBACK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THESE OFF ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA AS WELL, OR HANDLE THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. NOW, AS ACTUALLY A SEGUE INTO MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH WAS, IN THE FUTURE, UNDER THE NEW UDC THAT EVENTUALLY IS GONNA BE FINISHED, UM, WOULD THIS JUST BE A STAFF TYPE REC, UH, APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? IT, IT COULD BE. UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S A, ULTIMATELY IT'S HOW WE WANT TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. I DO BELIEVE PERSONALLY, UM, THERE, THERE'S A NEED FOR EFFICIENCY, [00:10:01] BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A NEED TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN, UH, JUST BEING FOCUSED ON EFFICIENCY AND A NEED TO HAVE, UH, SOME OVERSIGHT, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY BEYOND JUST ME AND LESLIE. AND THEN ALSO, UH, I THINK HAVING THESE ITEMS AT, AT YOUR MEETING IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SHOW OFF WHAT'S GOING ON IN ADDISON. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE, UH, MINOR REUSE OF BUILDINGS THAT COULD CERTAINLY SKIP, UH, GOING ON THE COMMISSION IF IT'S BEING DONE BY, RIGHT. BUT I THINK IF THERE'S NEW SUBSTANTIAL BUILDINGS AND NEW SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S MORE TRANSFORMATIVE, LIKE THIS LACROSSE BARN, WHICH IS BY THE WAY, I THINK SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, THEY WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF CHALLENGES ON THIS AND, AND THEY SHOULD BE CELEBRATED FOR IT. CUZ I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT AND, UH, PIONEERING PROJECT AS WELL FOR THAT AREA. SO I, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO, TO HAVE ITEMS LIKE THAT, UH, COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION. I, I THINK THAT'S A COMPROMISE BECAUSE IT IS MORE EFFICIENT TO PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. BUT IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING OR PLANNING SOMETHING THAT GIVES THE COMMISSION PAUSE, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS PULL THAT OUT AND DISCUSS IT AS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, UH, NOW WOULD THAT THEN BE DELAYED TO THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE OF THAT? NO, SIR. UM, ITEMS ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA AREN'T TYPICALLY FOR PUBLIC HEARING, BUT YOU AND THE COMMISSIONERS ALWAYS HAVE THE CHOICE FOR ANY ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TO PULL THEM FOR AN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ITEM, UM, GET STAFF FEEDBACK BEFORE YOU TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE ON, UM, CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN. FOR INSTANCE, IN THIS CASE, NOW THEY'RE NOT GOING FOR A NEW PERMIT, THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY REQUESTING, OR THEY'RE JUST, THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN UPDATE WHAT THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DO. BUT WITH UNDER CHRIS'S QUESTION, THE PREVIOUS PERMIT WOULD'VE STAYED WITH THE PROPERTY, AND IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SELL BEER, I ASSUME THEY HAD A PERMIT TO SELL BEER AND AN S U P THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT. AND SO IS PART OF THIS THE REVOCATION OF THAT S U P IF THERE WAS ONE? UH, SO I DID FAIRLY EXTENSIVE SITE HISTORY ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. AS KEN MENTIONED, THERE WAS, UM, THIS, THIS TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT ON THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS STAFF TO REALLY COME TO THE, THIS SOLUTION, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU. AND I NEVER FOUND ANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE. AND, AND TO BE FRANK, I WAS, I WAS UNAWARE THAT THAT, UM, PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. SO I DO KNOW THAT THE CURRENT FACILITY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AT LEAST. UH, AND IT IS CURRENTLY, UH, THE LAST I KNEW WAS A GUTTED, THE EXISTING, THE DOME STRUCTURE WAS DEMOED RECENTLY, WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, THEY DID RECEIVE A DEMO PERMIT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WORK. AND THEN THE INTERIOR OF THE EXISTING A-FRAME STRUCTURE, UM, WAS COMPLETELY GUTTED ON THE INTERIOR. SO THERE, IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST STUDS NEAR THE TABLE, BEER CELLS? I THINK SO, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LACROSSE BARN? I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE THE USERS, IS THE, ARE THIS FOR CHILDREN OR IS THIS LIKE ADULT LACROSSE LEAGUES, OR WHAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE ACTUAL PURPOSE OF THE YES. SO THE USER HAS INDICATED THEY WOULD LIKE TO HOST, UM, POTENTIAL POTENTIALLY TOURNAMENTS, UH, WITHIN THE D F W AREA. SO THIS WOULD BE THE TOURNAMENT LOCATION FOR A VARIETY OF TEAMS. UM, UH, I PERSONALLY AM NOT, UH, VERY FAMILIAR WITH LACROSSE, BUT APPARENTLY IT'S GROWING SPORT IN THE AREA. UH, ADDITIONALLY IT COULD BE RENTED OR LEASED OUT FOR VERY LOCAL TEAMS FOR PRACTICE FACILITIES AND SO FORTH. SO I BELIEVE THAT IT'S A VARIETY OF ALL AGES, BOTH, UM, LIKE YOUTH TEAMS AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY, UM, ADULT RECREATION TEAMS AS WELL. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING ITEM THREE THEN. UH, THIS IS TO CONSIDER ACTION ON AMENDING THE PLAT FOR ADDISON GROVE EDITION. YES. UH, ITEM THREE IS THE ADDISON GROVE, UM, AMENDING PLAT. THIS PARTICULAR PLAT, UH, YOU HAVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS SEEN PREVIOUSLY. THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, UH, ESTABLISHES ALL NAMES WITHIN THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS IDENTIFIES THE AIR RIGHTS EASEMENTS, WHICH HAVE BEEN FILED BY SEPARATE INSTRUMENT. UH, THE REASON FOR DOING THIS IS TO ALLOW, UM, REALLY CLEAR WAYFINDING FOR THOSE TOWN HOMES FOR EITHER GUESTS OR RESIDENTS OR, UH, WHETHER IT BE, UH, PACKAGE DELIVERY AND SO FORTH, BUT AS WELL AS EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, TO FIND THOSE HOMES. THE OTHER THING THIS ALLOWS IS TO PREVENT ANY, UM, TOWN HOMES TO BE ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY OFF OF, UH, BELTWAY DRIVE [00:15:01] TO THE SOUTH, QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE. BUT THIS FALLS UNDER THE BROAD, UM, APPROVAL ALREADY FOR ANYTHING THAT'S ADDISON GROVE CONCERNED. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARILY, UH, NEW COMING TO US OR BECAUSE UNDER THE UMBRELLA IT'S BEEN TECHNICALLY APPROVED. CORRECT. UM, SO NONE WITH THIS AMENDING PLAT, THERE IS NO NEW LOTS CREATED. THERE IS NO LOTS EXPANDED OR, YOU KNOW, IN ANY WAY. UH, THERE'S ALSO NO NEW ROADS OR ALLEYS DEDICATED IN ANY WAY. SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS JUST ADDING NOTATION TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. GOT IT. AND ALL PRIOR AGREEMENTS AS FAR AS EXPEDITING CONSTRUCTION AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, THEY'RE NOT AFFECTED BY ANY OF THIS ACTION HERE? UM, NO. I ACTUALLY, WHICH KEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I DO BELIEVE THE PART OF THIS ACTION TONIGHT IS A PART OF PREVIOUS ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER PHASES. SO THEY ARE ACCOMPLISHING THIS AND TO ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER AREAS OF THE PROJECT. OKAY, GOOD. AGAIN, THIS IS THE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ON CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE'LL JUST VOTE YAY OR NAY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UNLESS AGAIN, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PULL A SPECIFIC ITEM OUT, WHICH WE WILL, BUT THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE OR NOT THE, UH, OTHER ITEMS LEFT IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO THAT'S ALL FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN BACK TO THE REGULAR MEETING. WE'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO PRESENT, DISCUSS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT FOR 1665 ADDISON ROAD. YES. ALSO YOURS? YES, IT IS. UM, THIS IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, UH, FOR 16 6 75 ADDISON ROAD, THE FORMER CALL CENTER. UH, IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF ADDISON ROAD AND EXCEL PARKWAY. IT HAS, UM, BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PD AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, NEW PERMITTED USES AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR PHASE ONE, AND THEN A CONCEPT PLAN FOR PHASE TWO. UM, I'LL ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SPLIT THIS INTO TWO PHASES. UH, THE FIRST PHASE WOULD UTILIZE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, CONVERT IT TO AN OFFICE, WAREHOUSE BUILDING AS WHERE, AS WELL AS ADDING SOME DOCK DOORS AT THE BACK. THIS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE SOME MINOR SITE IMPROVEMENTS, BRINGING SOME THINGS INTO COMPLIANCE AND SO FORTH. UM, WITH THAT FOR, UM, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DOES REQUIRE APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS. SO, UH, WHAT THIS APPLICATION TONIGHT DOES IS IT IDENTIFIES PERMITTED USES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PHASE ONE. THAT INCLUDES A SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, FLOOR PLAN, A FACADE PLAN, UH, THEN FOR PHASE TWO, WHICH IS A FUTURE, UM, CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, THEY HAVE ALSO INCLUDED A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THAT WITH PHASE TWO. UM, IF AT ANY TIME THEY DO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PENDING APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, AT CITY COUNCIL, EVENTUALLY, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH OUR PROCESS WITH DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR PHASE TWO SPECIFICALLY. UM, SO YOU'LL SEE A, UH, VARIOUS DOCUMENTS THAT APPLY TO POTENTIALLY ONLY PHASE ONE OR ONLY PHASE TWO. SO I'LL, I'LL TRY TO DO A, A, A GOOD JOB OF MAKING THAT CLEAR. UM, THE OTHER ITEMS, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON, ON THE PERMITTED USES AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT DID WAS, UM, IN MANY WAYS MIMIC WHAT HAS BEEN APPLIED TO ON EXCEL PARKWAY. UH, THAT AREA IS, UM, ABUNDANT WITH OFFICE WAREHOUSE, A SMALLER TENANT OFFICE WAREHOUSE. UH, WHAT THIS, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DO IS OFFER, UH, A FACILITY WITH SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF ALLOWING EXISTING BUSINESS TO, TO EXPAND, UH, OR FURTHER SUBDIVIDING THE, THE BUILDING INTO SMALLER TENANTS. SO THE SPECIFIC TENANT FOR THE SITE HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED. SO THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS FOR A SPECULATIVE OFFICE WAREHOUSE, UM, IN HOPES TO MARKET IT TO DESIRABLE TENANTS. SO GENERALLY THE PERMITTED USES ON SITE, UM, AS PROPOSED TONIGHT WOULD BE ALLOWING THOSE USES PERMITTED IN THE COMMERCIAL ONE DISTRICT AS WELL AS, UM, THE PRODUCTION LIGHT ASSEMBLY AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF A, A COUPLE SPECIFIC PRODUCTS SUCH AS PAPER GOODS, UM, DESIGN SERVICES, TECHNO MEDICAL DEVICES, [00:20:01] AND TECHNOLOGY PRODUCTS, I BELIEVE. YES, SIR. QUESTIONS, LESLIE, DID YOU SAY HOW LONG IT WAS VACANT? IT'S BEEN VACANT. UH, KEN, DO YOU KNOW THE EXACT TIMELINE? UH, AT LEAST AS LONG, EXCUSE ME. AT LEAST AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE. UH, IT'S, UH, BEEN A, A CHALLENGE PROPERTY, CERTAINLY WITH THE PANDEMIC, THINGS LIKE CALL CENTERS. UH, WE'RE A, UH, A USE THAT DEFINITELY, UH, UH, UH, SUFFERED UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS AND IT, IT HAS NOT HAD A MARKET TO RETURN TO THAT USE. AND, UH, THE BIG THING WE SEE, UM, UH, IN OUR VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS IS, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT OFFICE, IT, IT CERTAINLY HAS CHANGED. AND AN OFFICE ENVIRONMENT THAT CAN BE OFFERED AT THAT LOCATION WITH THAT BUILDING TYPE IS A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING THAN SAY AN OFFICE ENVIRONMENT, UH, NEAR OUR, UH, TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU DON'T KNOW, THEY HAVE NOT FOUND ANY CLIENTS YET, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING, HAS ANYTHING BEEN SAID AS POTENTIAL RESTAURANTS OR SALE OF ALCOHOL AT SOME POINT? OR IS THIS STRICTLY GONNA BE OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL MIXED USE? THERE IS NO, I DON'T, I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT, UM, DURING THE REGULAR MEETING, BUT AS FAR AS OUR CONVERSATIONS, THERE'S A NO DESIRE TO, TO MARKET TO THAT, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRY AS FAR AS RESTAURANT OR ALCOHOL SALES. ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEEK A, UH, ADDITIONAL ZONING ENTITLEMENTS TO DO THAT. SO RESTAURANTS OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT. THIS PD. YEAH. AND, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE A CHALLENGE IN LOCATION FOR THAT, UH, LAND USE PATTERN. UM, WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE IS, IS REALLY TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON THE SUCCESSES OF THE EXCEL CORRIDOR. SO YOU HAVE, UM, BUILDINGS THAT ARE, ARE, UH, WELL OCCUPIED AND, AND, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL DEMAND FOR THAT TYPE BUILDING TYPE AND USE. SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, ALIGNED WITH THE MARKET. AND, AND THE KEY THING WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THESE BUILDINGS IS THEY'VE TRIED TO TREAT THEM IN A WAY WHERE THE FRONTAGES, SO WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE DRIVE OR WALK BY ADDISON ROAD, EXCEL REALLY HAS THE CHARACTER, UH, IT PRESERVES THE EXISTING CHARACTER, BUT THEN IT ALSO MAINTAINS IT AS, UH, THE SITE CHANGES OVER TIME. SO, I'M SORRY, I'VE BEEN OUTTA TOWN, NO QUESTION. SO I COULDN'T GO DRIVE THIS SITE, BUT IS IT, DOES IT CURRENTLY HAVE TRUCK BAYS OR IS THAT PART OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSTRUCT? UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING WITH PHASE ONE TO CONSTRUCT 10, UM, DOCK DOORS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE ON THE REAR, UM, WITH THIS APPLICATION. AND THAT'S IDENTIFIED ON THE FACADE PLAN. THERE ARE NO, THAT'S ALL NEW. CORRECT. SO THERE ARE NO FA PROPOSED FACADE CHANGES ON THE NORTHEAST OR SOUTH SIDE, BUT THE WEST SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, ESSENTIALLY CONVERTED TO A, A SERVICE AREA OR TRUCK COURTYARD WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE CONVERTED WITH 10 DOCK DOORS. SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE IS ABOUT TRAFFIC. LIKE I KNOW IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE, BUT LIKE WHEN IT WAS A CALL CENTER, HOW IS THIS TRAFFIC PATTERN DIFFERENT? UH, SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THIS WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, THE, UM, THE PROPOSED, INCLUDING PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, DENSER DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOTAGE PER ACRE OF OFFICE. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU START CONSIDERING THE USE OF WAREHOUSING IN THOSE, UH, YOU TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE A, UH, ART IN OUR, FOR OUR WAREHOUSING PARKING RATIO IS TYPICALLY ONE TO 1000. UM, AND EVEN THAT CAN BE POTENTIALLY HIGH FOR CERTAIN USES. UM, ADDITIONALLY I THINK THERE IS PROPOSED TO BE A MIXTURE OF USES THAT MAY VARY IN TERMS OF, UM, HEIGHT OF TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT THE IMPACT IS. AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS I THINK WE'LL SEE, UM, THERE IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF PARKING ON SITE, EVEN WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO BUILD OUT. WHAT ABOUT JULIE? JULIE, JULIE, YOU'RE GONNA GO FROM THOSE WERE THOSE WERE CARS TRAFFIC EIGHT AND FIVE, YOU KNOW, AND NOW IT'S TRUCKS. CAN THEY COME RIGHT 24 HOURS A DAY? LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE YEAH, SO THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL IS NOT TAILORED TO DISTRIBUTION. SO, AND THERE'S A LOT OF FUNCTIONALITY OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED TO BE A DISTRIBUTION HUB. IT'S INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED FOR, UM, USES [00:25:01] THAT HAVE OFFICE, BUT ALSO NEEDS A WAREHOUSING COMPONENT. SO, UM, SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT KEN MENTIONED, IF YOU THINK ABOUT OTHER BUSINESSES ON EXCEL PARKWAY, SO, UM, A COUPLE THAT YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH, FIREHAWK AEROSPACE. UM, SO CONCEPT BACK WHEN THEY CAME, THEY SAID PROBABLY ABOUT ONE TRUCK PER WEEK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, DISTRIBUTION ACTIVITY. UH, YOU HAVE THE EPA, UH, THERE IS A MEDICAL DEVICE MANUFACTURER, WHICH ONCE AGAIN THEY DO, UH, A LOT. THEY'RE ALSO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FOCUSED AS WELL. SO THAT IS REALLY THE TARGET FOR THE TENANTS IS THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT LAB SPACE, SOME WAREHOUSING SPACE TO STORE PRODUCT, NOT, UM, HEAVY OFFICE USE LIKE A CALL CENTER OR LARGE SCALE DISTRIBUTION LIKE YOU THINK AMAZON ON THE EXTREME. AND, UM, OH, IT JUST FELL OUTTA MY HEAD. MY OTHER QUESTION. OH YEAH. WITH, UM, GIVEN I'LL THIS TALK POST PANDEMIC, THAT OFFICE SPACE IS LE IS LESS NECESSARY. I MEAN, HAVE WE LOOKED AT, IS THAT GONNA BE A PROBLEM? IS THIS TOO MUCH OFFICE SPACE HERE OR YES. HOW DOES THAT IMPACT ANY PLAN REGARDING THAT? SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS, UM, PROPOSING TO ADHERE TO IS A MINIMUM, UH, FOR EACH OF THESE TENANTS IS A MINIMUM OF SPLIT OF 25% OFFICE SPACE TO 75%, LIKE WAREHOUSE SERVICE, LAB SPACE. SO, UM, AND THEN THAT'S, THAT'S FOR EACH TENANT. SO WHATEVER THAT TENANT SPACE IS, UM, THE APPLICANT IS CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN FULFILL THAT NEED. UM, EVEN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DESIGN SERVICES, SO POTENTIALLY A CONTRACTOR OF SOME KIND, THEY, THEY DO NEED SOME KIND OF OFFICE SPACE TO, TO COMPLETE THEIR, THEIR DAY-TO-DAY BUSINESS. DO THEY, HAVE THEY HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ABOUT WHY THEY DECIDED TO DO THIS KIND OF CONCEPT HERE IN ADDISON? LIKE IS IT BECAUSE OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE COME HERE NOW, OR, UM, PRIMARILY JUST THE DEMAND. SO THERE'S, UM, A REALLY HIGH DEMAND, THIS BUILDING PATTERN OR THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS REALLY MIMICKED ON A SLIGHTLY SMALLER SCALE ALL DOWN EXCEL PARKWAY. UM, SO REALLY THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY RECREATING THAT WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF LARGER TENANT SPACE, THE POTENTIAL FOR LARGER TENANT SPACE. SO REALLY THE IDEA IS TO POTENTIALLY OFFER A LARGER TENANT SPACE FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES. WE HAVE ON EXCEL PARKWAY THAT DO NEED TO SCALE UP, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE PRODUCT AVAILABLE IN ADDISON. UM, AND KEN MENTIONED THIS AS WELL, BUT THE, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS CHALLENGING FOR A LOT OF OTHER USES. SO WE MENTIONED OFFICE, PRIMARILY OFFICE IS NOT LIKELY GOING TO DO WELL HERE. UH, A RESTAURANT OR RETAIL IS ALSO LIKELY NOT GOING TO DO WELL. UH, SO AN EXTENSION OF THOSE EXISTING, THAT EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON EXCEL PARKWAY, UH, REALLY IS THE, THE BEST FIT FOR THIS SITE. OKAY, THANKS DIANE. YOU'VE BEEN DONE. ASK A QUESTION. WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? ? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ESSENTIALLY WE'RE LESSENING OUR OFFICE FOOTPRINT BY, BY CHANGING THIS AROUND MM-HMM. . SO EVEN IF THESE GUYS DON'T GET A HOME RUN OFF OF IT, MAYBE THE NEXT ONES WILL BECAUSE HAVING IT STRICTLY OFFICE THERE IS NOT THE BEST USE. I, I THINK IT'S ONE THING I WOULD HIGHLIGHT IS THAT BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SO LONG AND IT'S, IT'S WELL LOCATED, IT'S, IT'S NEAR THE TOLL WAY. IT'S, IT HAS GOOD STABLE USES AROUND IT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT. UH, THE INTEREST WE'VE RECEIVED, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PRACTICE TURNING PEOPLE DOWN ON THIS PROPERTY. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PROPOSE GIANT WAREHOUSES THAT WOULD'VE RESULTED FROM TEARING DOWN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND JUST PUTTING ONE WAREHOUSE ON THE WHOLE PROPERTY. THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE. WE'VE HAD MULTIFAMILY PROPOSED, UH, WE'VE HAD MORE, UM, SINGLE, SINGLE SPACE, UH, ASSEMBLY PROPOSED. SO, UH, I THINK WHAT IMPRESSED US WITH THIS APPLICANT IS THEY REALLY CONSIDERED THE CONTEXT OF EXCEL PARKWAY AND TRIED TO MATCH THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHILE ALSO ACHIEVING A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR THE, THE MARKET TO EVOLVE A LITTLE BIT IN THIS AREA. SO WE DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS A, A WIN-WIN FOR THE TOWN HERE. WILL THE APPLICANT BE HERE TONIGHT IF WE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? HE IS PRESENT. ANYTHING ELSE I DO. SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE A NEW USE FOR ESPECIALLY A, A VACANT BUILDING. AND I REALLY DO THINK JUST BASED ON WHAT, WHAT I DO, THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE WITH THE WAREHOUSE IN THE BACK, THERE'S A HIGH NEED OR DEMAND FOR IT. [00:30:01] BUT I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION. SO 15 TREES, PHASE ONE IS REALLY JUST A CONVERSION. SO WHY DURING PHASE ONE DO WE HAVE TO LOSE THE 15 TREES? IS THAT WHERE THE DOCK DOORS ARE GOING? CORRECT. SORRY, I DIDN'T, UH, ADDRESS THAT. SO THE, UM, IMMEDIATE BA WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE ARE VARIOUS TREES ALONG AN EXISTING, UH, FIRE LANE AND ACCESS DRIVE. ALL OF THOSE TREES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO INSTALL AND, AND NAVIGATE TO ACCESS THOSE DOCK DOORS. UM, THEY DID ATTEMPT TO PUT A LOT OF TREES BACK ON SITE AND THEY ACTUALLY DID ACCOMPLISH THAT. HOWEVER, UM, THE TOWN ASKED THEM TO REMOVE THEM CUZ THEY WERE PLACED WITHIN AN EASEMENT, UH, WITHIN A UTILITY EASEMENT. AND WE CANNOT HAVE TREES ON TOP OF OUR, UM, UTILITIES UNDERGROUND. SO THAT IS REALLY WHY THEY WERE UNABLE TO MEET. THE TREE MITIGATION REQUIREMENT WAS DUE TO THE EXISTING UTILITIES. UM, SPECIFICALLY WITH PHASE ONE. THEY ALSO DID, UM, THEY DID DO A TREE SURVEY FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, UPON REQUEST FROM STAFF JUST SO THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE A, A BIGGER PICTURE OF WHAT THIS SITE LOOKS LIKE COMPREHENSIVELY DOWN THE ROAD WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THE NICE THING IS, IS HOPEFULLY WITH PHASE TWO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, ACHIEVE MORE MITIGATION ON SITE. GREAT. I WAS HOPING YOU'D SAY THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THEN I CLAIM THIS WORK SESSION ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.