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GONNA CALL THIS WORK SESSION IN THE ADDISON PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ORDER.IT'S TUESDAY, APRIL THE 18TH, 23, 5:30 PM AT TREEHOUSE.
[1. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the April 18, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting: March 21, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Replat request for Lots 18X-1 and 18X-2, Block F, of the Addison Grove Addition (R2023-01/18 Runyon Road) Special Use Permit request for White Rock Chapel (1868-SUP/5555 Celestial Road)]
KEN, CAN YOU BRING US UP TO DATE ON ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS OR IMPORTANT EVENTS? SURE.SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TWO ITEMS, UH, ADVANCED FROM YOUR, UH, PLAN BUILDING COMMISSION MEETING FROM MARCH.
UH, THAT WAS THE P FOR THE RESIDENTS IN FOR ALCOHOL SALES AT THE LITTLE, UH, SALES KIOSK, AND THEN ALSO THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ST.
MARTIN'S AND NEW RESTAURANT, UH, ADJACENT TO ARTHURS SOME CORN BOTH WORK THROUGH UNANIMOUSLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
ALSO, YOU'LL NOTE THAT I SENT YOU ALL A, UH, INVITE TO A MEETING IN JULY, UH, JULY 27TH.
THAT WILL BE FOR US TO RESTART, UH, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT.
SO THAT IS A ONGOING UPDATE TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AND WITH THAT MEETING, WE'LL COVER OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES, SO HOW ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS ARE REVIEWED AND PROCESSED AND ULTIMATELY CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN OUR SIGN REGULATIONS.
SO IT WILL WE'LL BE COVERING A LOT OF TRAINING WITH THAT MEETING WILL PROVIDE, UH, MATERIALS WELL IN ADVANCE OF THAT MEETING SO YOU HAVE APPROPRIATE TIME TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK FOR THAT MEETING.
UH, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS THERE, QUESTIONS FOR ME.
AS FAR AS AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE REGULAR MEETING, WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA.
DOES EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH MEETING? ANY REVISIONS, EDITS, COMMENTS, ANYONE ADD? OKAY.
AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE REPLAT OF LOTS.
18 X DASH ONE 18 X DASH TWO BLOCK S LESLIE, THIS YOURS? YES.
GIVE US A LITTLE BACKGROUND, PLEASE.
SO THIS IS, UH, REPLAT OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE, UH, WEST OF NATES AND SPRING CREEK BARBECUE.
SO YOU ALL REVIEWED THIS IN, UM, NOVEMBER OF 22.
HOWEVER, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT AN EASEMENT NEEDED TO BE ABANDONED VIA THE PLAT.
UM, THAT ONE, THE PREVIOUS ONE YOU APPROVED NEVER GOT RECORDED.
SO THERE, THE, THE TOWN'S BRINGING THIS PLAT BACK, THE ONLY, UM, MODIFICATION TO IT IS THE ROOM, THE BAND ADMIT OF ONE OF, UH, THE EASEMENTS ON THE LOCK.
SO OTHERWISE, NO OTHER CHANGES.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? AND THAT'S IN THE CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT? YES, CORRECT.
THIS IS A NITPICKINESS THING, BUT ON THE PLAT THERE'S A, A TYPO ON RUNYON ROAD.
DO THEY HAVE TO FIX IT? THEY SPELLED IT R U N Y U N.
IT WOULD BE A SCRIBNER'S ERROR, SO IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT YOUR ACTION, BUT THAT'S A GREAT CATCH.
IT WAS OUR ENGINEER WHO DID IT.
SO NOW, UH, YOU REALLY GOTTA CORRECT THAT IT WAS A TEST TO SEE IF YOU ACTUALLY READING IT.
I LIKE THAT MORE THAN US, YOU PASS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
BOTH THOSE ITEMS WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, UNLESS THERE'S REASON TO PULL ONE OF THEM, I HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THE REGULAR MEETING.
ALL RIGHT, THEN, UM, WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL.
SO THE BACKGROUND ON THIS, PLEASE.
SO THE APP, THIS IS A, UM, A REQUEST FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONAL USE AT, UH, 55 55 CELESTIAL WAY.
UH, SO THAT IS, UH, ACTUALLY, UM, UH, AN EXISTING, UH, FORMERLY IN USE CHURCH SITE.
UH, THE SITE HAS BEEN, UH, DORMANT, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS FOR VERY LIMITED ACTIVITY.
UH, THE NEW OWNER, AN APPLICANT FOR THIS REQUEST HAS, UH, UH, SUBMITTED, UM, AN APPLICATION THAT, UM, MODIFIES THE USE OF BID, PROVIDES FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT NECESSITATED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR, UH, AND STAFF FOR SOME TIME ON THIS APPLICATION.
AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH, UH, FEEDBACK PROVIDED BY MY STAFF AS WELL AS, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE, UH, ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THAT, BUT THEY WEREN'T QUITE ABLE TO GET IT TO THE POINT WHERE THERE WAS CONSENSUS, SO THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL TIME TO WORK THROUGH TO GET THE CONSENSUS.
SO THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO POSTPONE THE ITEM.
SO WE WILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND, UH, STAFF DOES REQUEST THAT YOU POSTPONE CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEM, UM, THAT WILL NECESSITATE US TO RE ADVERTISE THE
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ITEM FOR WHATEVER, UH, PLANS LOAN COMMISSION MEETING THAT ITEM WAS SCORED AT, THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE BASED ON THE CURRENT DIRECTION OF THE DISCUSSION, THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT IN YOUR MAY MEETING.CAN, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MORE THAN JUST, IT WAS, IT WAS A CHURCH AND THEY WANT TO BE A CHURCH.
IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? I I THINK THERE'S CHALLENGES AND THERE HAVE BEEN CHALLENGES RELATED TO HAVING A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SOME OF THAT IS KIND OF, UM, UH, TIED TO IT BEING A, A, UH, A NEW, UM, UH, WORSHIP OPPORTUNITY.
UH, AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME AMBIGUITY IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S ANTICIPATED TO START UP AND GROW AND BECOME A, UM, A WORSHIP FACILITY AGAIN.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO INTEREST FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WHO WAS VERY INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY DUE TO ITS, UH, THE UNIQUE HISTORY OF THE SURROUNDING AREA TO INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT IS A, UH, HISTORIC SITE, UH, BUT THERE IS, UH, DEEP TIES, UH, TO THAT, THE HISTORY THERE AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE STORY OF AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THIS AREA.
SO THEY, UH, JUSTLY WANT TO, UH, USE THAT FACILITY TO, UH, UH, FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, UH, SOMEWHAT INFORMAL, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE REGULAR CLASSES EVERY DAY OR REGULAR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES EVERY DAY.
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE USED PERIODICALLY.
AND SO IT, IT'S MAINLY, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF HOW THAT IS DEFINED, HOW IT'S REGULATED, NOT JUST WITH, UH, THAT USE, BUT, UH, THE, THE WORSHIP USE AS A WHOLE.
UM, ONE THING THAT IS, HAS COME INTO PLAY A LOT WITH THIS USE IS, UH, OF COURSE WITH THE CHURCH WORSHIP IS THE DOMINANT USE, BUT THERE ARE A RANGE OF WORSHIP RELATED CEREMONIES THAT, UH, GET OUTSIDE OF THE TYPICAL HOURS, UH, FOR CHURCH SERVICE.
SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WEDDINGS, BAPTISMS, UH, HOLIDAY EVENTS, THERE, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE, THE SITE IS ACTIVE OUTSIDE YOUR TYPICAL SUNDAY MORNING, UH, UH, TYPE OF SCHEDULE.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE APPLICANT IS WORKING TOGETHER TO, UM, DEFINE, UH, REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS FOR THOSE TYPES OF CEREMONIES AND WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE DONE THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S PROGRESSING NICELY, BUT THERE'S STILL CERTAINLY THINGS TO WORK THROUGH.
SO THE POSTPONEMENT WAS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT OR BY STAFF? UH, BOTH.
UM, THE, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO RESPOND TO OUR COMMENTS, UH, IN TIME FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION.
AND, AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MORE DISCUSSION IS NEEDED, UH, WITH STAFF AND WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEY'VE BEEN ENGAGED WITH.
IS IS IT A HISTORICAL LANDMARK? YES.
IT'S, WHEN YOU GO ON YOUR LITTLE WALK, THERE'S A PLAQUE OUTSIDE.
SO, UM, ZONING ORDINANCES DON'T CHANGE IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT BEING NECESSARILY USED FOR WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR, IT JUST REMAIN DORMANT.
I MEAN, THE CHURCH HAS NOT OPERATED AS A CHURCH FOR PROBABLY 10 PLUS YEARS, YET IT'S STILL ZONED, I GUESS, FOR CHURCH RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD STAY, I MEAN, THAT WILL, IT'LL KEEP THAT ZONING FOREVER AND EVER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT BEING USED AS A CHURCH.
SO PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS THE, THE RELIGIOUS USE PREDATED SELLING.
THERE WAS NEVER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH, OKAY, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR, UH, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONAL USES IN ADDISON.
SO THERE IS NEVER ONE ISSUE DUE TO THE, THE DORMANCY AND THE CHANGE IN SITE CONDITIONS, STAFF MADE THE ADMINISTRATIVE DETERMINATION THAT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS REQUIRED.
WELL, KEN, WHAT'S THE ENTITY'S NAME THAT'S OWNS LAND NOW? UM, WHITE ROCK CHAPEL OF MADISON.
AND THEY'VE TOLD Y'ALL THEY WANNA OPERATE FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE? YES.
UM, IN A RECENT MEETING WE HAD WITH THEM, UH, WE WERE INTRODUCED TO A, UH, FAITH LEADER THAT WOULD BE AFFILIATED WITH THEM.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CURRENT EXEMPTIONS FOR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS.
THEY'RE ZONED JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE.
SO THEY WOULD BE ZONE, THE, THE ZONING REQUIREMENT IS THEY GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO THEY WOULD JUST BE REQUIRED TO GET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY.
YES, IT'S, IT'S LESS COMMON, UH, REGULATORY APPROACH IN DFW, BUT THEY'RE STILL, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF CITIES THAT DO HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.
DALLAS, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES NOT, UH, FRISCO I BELIEVE DOES
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PROBABLY MORE COMMON THAN NOT THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR IT TO BE REQUIRED.SO THIS GONNA SHOW MY IGNORANCE.
IS THERE A CHURCH IN EDISON? UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, OTHER THAN THIS ONE I'VE BEEN TOLD THERE'S BEEN SOME MAY MAYBE MORE IN LIKE RETAIL CENTER TYPE ENVIRONMENT OVER THE YEARS, BUT NOTHING THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT ARE CURRENTLY.
BUT WITHIN FARMER'S BRANCH CARROLLTON AND IN DALLAS, I MEAN, CHURCHES HAVE KIND OF A SPECIAL SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS AS A CHURCH WITH THEIR PROPERTY THAT RESIDENTIAL CAN'T, IF I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCES.
AND BUT TH THIS, BUT BY GRANTING THEM THIS'S S U THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ALLOWED TO DO A LOT OF THINGS THAT OTHER CHURCHES ARE ABLE TO DO WITH THEN WITHIN THE DESIGNATION OF A CHURCH PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR AM I JUST MISSING SOMETHING? REGARDLESS OF WHETHER AN IS REQUIRED OR NOT? UH, CITIES HAVE ZONING REGULATIONS THAT APPLY TO CHURCHES.
SO THEY MAY HAVE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS RELATED SPECIFIC TO CHURCHES.
THEY HAVE OTHER PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO ALL USES, SO THINGS LIKE MITIGATION AND TRAFFIC, NOISE, PARKING, THAT REGARDLESS OF THE USE OF IT WOULD APPLY.
SO, UM, THIS, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS WOULD PERMIT THE USE AND THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, THE TOWN HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPLY CONDITIONS TO THE USE.
WE, OF COURSE WANT TO BE REASONABLE WITH THE CONDITIONS AND THEY NEED TO ADDRESS AN APPROPRIATE GOVERNMENT PURPOSE.
AND, UH, THERE'S FEDERAL AND STATE LAW THAT ALSO APPLIES TO THAT CONSIDERATION AS IT RELATES TO, UH, RELIGIOUS USES.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH NOW.
WHAT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS ADDRESSING THE IMPACTS OF THE USE SUCH AS PARKINGS, FILLING OFF THE PROPERTY NOISE, UM, UH, LIGHT THAT IS, UH, A NUISANCE.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE FOCUS OF OUR, OUR APPROACH, ENSURING THAT THE USE IS VERY APPROPRIATELY DEFINED.
CUZ CHURCHES, AS YOU KNOW, UH, FREQUENTLY HAVE USES THAT MAY BE MORE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE, SUCH AS A DAYCARE AND A LARGE CHURCH FACILITY.
EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT IS APPROPRIATE AT A LOT OF LOCATIONS, PARTICULARLY THE LARGE CHURCHES YOU SEE ON ARTERIAL CORRIDORS.
BUT DUE TO THE COMPACT SITE AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, IT MAY NOT BE AS APPROPRIATE HERE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS WHAT'S S SEP P CONDITIONS, DEFINING WHAT'S REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE AND WON'T HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STILL ALLOWS THEM TO EXECUTE THEIR, THEIR RIGHT TO WORSHIP ON THE PROPERTY.
DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE HOURS OF OPERATION? I REALIZED CHURCHES ARE, ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL BUSINESS MIGHT BE, BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
WHAT, WHAT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO YOU ULTIMATELY WILL ADDRESS OURS OPERATION AND THEN WILL THERE BE, UH, SO IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS A SPECIAL EVENT THAT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, ON A WEEKEND, UH, AT NIGHT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WILL THEY, DO THEY, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO JUST DO THAT OR DO THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE TOWN? DO THEY NOTIFY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, UH, SO ONE, THEY CAN'T THE JUST DO, UH, ONCE AS WE ADDRESS THE USE, WE'RE VERY CAREFUL TO ENSURE THAT THE USE, UH, WHETHER IT BE THE PRIMARY USE OR ACCESSORY USES, UH, RELATE SPECIFICALLY TO WORSHIP OR SOME OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THEY HAVE RELATED TO THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, SUCH AS ANY SPECIAL EVENT, UH, I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE ANYTHING COMING FORWARD TO YOU THAT THAT WOULD ADDRESS IT, WHERE SOMEONE COULD JUST RENT IT OUT FOR A PARTY, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, BUT IF IT WAS A WEDDING AND IT WAS, WHICH IS A FAITH CEREMONY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY IS COMMON AT A CHURCH.
SO THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH DISCUSSIONS ON THAT AND, AND PROGRESSING THAT, BUT THERE'S STILL MORE WORK TO DO.
AND DID YOU SAY IT WAS NEVER ZONED IMAGES PURPOSES BEFORE? CORRECT.
THE, THE USE PREDATED THE ZONE.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HAVING TO GO BACK AND GET A U ONE OF THE REASONS, UH, ALSO THAT THEY CHANGED, THERE WAS DORMANCY IN THE USE AND, AND THE, THE NATURE OF THE USE IS CHANGING, UM, CUZ THEY'RE ADDING SOME SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
IS THE CHURCH AFFILIATED WITH ANY OTHER CHURCHES OR JUST LIKE A STANDALONE? THERE, THERE IS AN AFFILIATION AND, AND I'LL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY, THEY VISIT WITH Y'ALL, UH, WHEN THEY BRING THEIR APPLICATION.
I DIDN'T MEAN LIKE THE RELIGION, BUT IS IT LIKE ANOTHER LOCATION OF ANOTHER? YES.
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COULD BE COULD BE AN HISTORY DISCUSSION.THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON HERE.
AND THE HISTORY IS, IS YOU NEED, I GUESS ONE TIME AND MAYBE WE WILL NEXT MONTH GO BY AND SEE THIS PLACE CUZ UM, THERE'S A PLAQUE OUT FRONT WITH A HISTORY.
IT'S REALLY, IT'S A INTERESTING ORDINANCE.
THE REASON THERE'S NOT AN ORDINANCE IS CUZ THIS WAS GIVEN TO THE FORMER SLAVES OF A SLAVE OWNER WHO GAVE HIM THE LAND AFTER THE CIVIL WAR.
HE FELT SO BAD IF OF HAVING OWNED THEM, HE TURNED THE LAND OVER TO HIM.
BUT IT WAS STATED IN HIS WILL AND PART OF HIS DECLARATION IS IT WOULD BE USED FOR CHURCHES ONLY, CHURCH PURPOSES ONLY.
AND SO THAT KIND OF WAS THE PREVAILING ZONING ORDINANCE FOR FOREVER.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING TO HEAR ALL SIDES.
IT'S, IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH IN ON THE MAY DOCKET, IS THAT, DO WE HAVE LIKE A DATE CIRCLED WHERE WE WOULD DO A TOUR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH THE COMMISSION, SCHEDULE SOME TOURS.
I, I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE WORKING WITH US PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY FEEL OBLIGATED TO DO SO, BUT DO YOU FORESEE ANY, LIKE, PINCH POINTS ON SOMETHING THEY BELIEVE IS RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PUSH BACK ON TO PUSH THEM WITHIN OUR S U P THERE? I WOULD, IF THERE WERE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE RELATED TO, UH, ANCILLARY CEREMONIES, UH, LIMITATIONS ON THAT.
UH, SO NOT NECESSARILY WORSHIP SERVICE, BUT THINGS LIKE WEDDINGS BEING WHAT? SO, SO LET ME, LEMME PUT IT THIS WAY.
SO LET'S ASSUME EVERYTHING THEY SAY THIS IS RELIGIOUS FOR US IS IN FACT A RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY.
SO THEY SAY A WEDDING IS RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY.
THEY SAY A BAPTISM, RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY.
WHAT ARE THOSE PINCH POINTS GOING TO BE? WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE PARTICULAR CEREMONIES? ARE THEY WORRIED THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET CUT OFF OF WEDDINGS AT 10 O'CLOCK AND THEN THAT'S GONNA VIOLATE THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS? I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT SOME LEGAL STICKING ISSUES HERE.
AND I, I KNOW IT'S A POLICY BODY TOO, BUT LIKE, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT REGULATING CHURCHES THAT GET 'EM SOME HAIRY AREAS, AND I WOULD HATE FOR THEM TO COME IN HERE THINKING, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH ALL THIS RIGHT NOW AND THEN A YEAR FROM NOW WE'RE SUED CAUSE OF THIS.
SO WE'RE FOCUSING IN ON, WITH THE S U P CONDITIONS ON, UH, ITEMS THAT ADDRESS THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS, UM, DETERMINATIONS ON WHAT IS WORSHIP AND WHAT ISN'T OBVIOUSLY IS A, A CHALLENGED, UH, CHALLENGING REGULATORY APPROACH.
AND IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THIS TYPE OF USE.
SO THINGS LIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ALWAYS RESTRICTIONS LIKE RESTRICTIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE IS THE FOCUS.
OPERATING HOURS IS A COMPONENT OF THAT.
UM, AND UH, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT DISCUSSION IS ADVANCED ENOUGH FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION FULLY.
STATE, I MEAN THE STATE LAW AND FEDERAL LAW IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT BASICALLY CAN'T REALLY CONSTRICT CHURCHES TOO MUCH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE IS AMPLE FEDERAL AND STATE LAW.
UH, THERE'S, UH, EXAMPLES OF CASES ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ISSUE.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S CERTAINLY A CHALLENGING LAND USE CONSIDERATION.
I'M, I'M SORRY TO STRETCH THIS OUT, BUT THE, THE WAY WE DO THE S U FOR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES NEARBY, HAVE THEY PULLED, WAS THIS STANDARD PRACTICE AND THEY PULLED IT BACK BECAUSE OF LEGAL CONCERNS? OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE'VE INSTITUTED ONLY RECENTLY? THIS IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ADDISON HAS ALWAYS REQUIRED, UH, THE S STP.
UM, I THINK CITIES, UM, THAT HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT HAVE PROBABLY DONE IT.
UH, ONE CUZ YOU RARELY HAVE THE CONDITIONS LIKE YOU HAVE HERE CUZ THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF DFW, TYPICALLY SUBURBAN DFW, YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, THE, THE MIXED USE, UH, ELEMENTS AND THE ADJACENCY ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE HERE.
TYPICALLY IT'S ON A BIG ARTERIAL ROADWAY LIKE MIDWAY OR BELTLINE, AND THERE'S A SCREENING WALL, A LANDSCAPE, AND EVERYTHING'S SEPARATED.
IT'S JUST, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE IN THE, THE HISTORIC AREAS, UM, YOU RARELY HAVE THIS TYPE OF ADJACENCY AND FOLKS LIVE IN HISTORIC AREAS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED TO IT AND THAT'S WHY THEY LIVE THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, I WILL ADJOURN THIS WORK SESSION.