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          [ Pledge of Allegiance EXECUTIVE SESSION Closed (Executive) Session of the Addison City Council pursuant to authorization contained in Texas Government Code as follows:   Section 551.087(1). Deliberation Regarding Economic Development Negotiations - to discuss commercial or financial information that the governmental body has received from a business prospect that the governmental body seeks to have locate, state, or expand in or near the territory of the governmental body and with which the governmental body is conducting economic development negotiations. 	 	Transit Oriented Development (TOD) Project 	   Reconvene into Regular Session  In accordance with Texas Government Code, Chapter 551, the City Council will reconvene into Regular Session to consider action, if any, on matters discussed in Executive Session.]
THE FLAG PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS NATION, GOD IN LIBERTY, JUSTICE. 
          ALL RIGHT, CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION CONTAINED IN TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AS FOLLOWS, SECTION 5 1 0 87 1 DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS TO DISCUSS COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE STATE OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY, AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENT BODY IS DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. 
          SO THE ONLY ITEM IS TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. 
          P OD PROJECT RIGHT NOW IS 6:02 PM WE'RE ENTERING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION RIGHT NOW IS 6:44 PM WE ARE EXITING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          THERE'S NO ACTION TAKEN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, 
          [1.  Present and Discuss a Status Update on the Unified Development Code Project.]
NEXT ITEM IS WORK SESSION. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE, PRESENT, DISCUSS A STATUS UPDATE ON THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT AGAIN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING, MARION CITY COUNCIL. 
          KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN. 
          TONIGHT, I'M GONNA PROVIDE A PROJECT STATUS UPDATE ON OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT. 
          SO THE TOWN'S DEVELOPMENT AND REGULATIONS REALLY COMPRISE, UH, TWO THINGS. 
          SO IT'S OUR ZONING, HOW WE USE LAND, AND THEN, UH, OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          UH, SO THE REGULATIONS THAT, UH, DICTATE HOW, UH, WE DEVELOP LAND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING. 
          UH, SO THIS ADDRESSES THINGS SUCH AS LOCATION AND SIZE OF BUILDINGS ALLOWED USES, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, OUR PRIMARY GOAL FOR DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, ACHIEVING HIGH QUALITY AESTHETIC, UH, APPEARANCE. 
          UM, SO WITH THIS PROJECT, UH, WHICH BEGAN YEARS AGO, REALLY SOME OF THE MAIN THEMES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UH, WAS, UH, ULTIMATELY TO PROVIDE A BETTER CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND, UH, MAINTAIN AND ACTUALLY IMPROVE UPON THE DEVELOPMENT OUTCOMES THAT WE ARE ACHIEVING. 
          SO, UH, MAKING THE DOCUMENT APPEAR MORE EFFICIENT, USER FRIENDLY, UH, LEARNING AND MODIFYING THE DOCUMENT TO, UH, CAPTURE THE LESSONS LEARNED THAT WE'VE, UH, UH, HAD OVER THE LAST, UH, REALLY FOUR DECADES OF IMPLEMENTING THE CURRENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, REALLY FOCUSING ON OUR PROCESSES AND OUR REGULATIONS TO ENSURE THAT, UH, WE'RE BUSINESS AND CUSTOMER FRIENDLY. 
          UM, SO WE DID OF COURSE, UH, ENGAGE A, UH, CONSULTANT ON THIS PROJECT. 
          CLARION ASSOCIATES, UH, HAS WORKED WITH US, UH, THROUGHOUT SEVERAL MODULES OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, THEY'RE A NATIONAL PLANNING FIRM BASED IN DENVER, COLORADO. 
          THEY ALSO HAVE A NORTH CAROLINA OFFICE, UH, AND THEY HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN TEXAS AS WELL AS HERE IN THE DFW REGION. 
          UM, SO WITH THIS PROJECT, WE ALSO HAD A, UH, HAVE A PROJECT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          THIS IS A MIX OF RESIDENTS, UH, SOME OF WHICH HAVE DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE, AND ALSO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, BUSINESS, UH, REPRESENTATIVES, UH, THAT, UH, HAVE, UH, EXPERIENCE HERE IN ADDISON, UH, UTILIZING OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO IMPLEMENT PROJECTS. 
          UM, I KNOW ONE THING WE'LL DISCUSS TONIGHT IS THE COMPOSITION OF THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND HOW THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, UH, WILL, UH, ENGAGE ON THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, HISTORICALLY WITH THIS PROJECT, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, MET, UH, AT EACH, UH, KEY MILESTONE WHERE THE CONSULTANT VISITED, UH, TO PRESENT COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND, UH, WE HAD A PROCESS BY WHICH WE DID JOINT P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, UM, WITH THAT, UM, BASED ON PAST PRACTICES AS MEMBERS ROLLED OFF P AND Z, WHETHER IT WAS TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL OR, UH, JUST THEY GOT TERM LIMITED, OR IF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS GOT TERM LIMITED, UH, THEY DID NOT ENGAGE IN THE PROJECT. 
          AGAIN, MOVING 
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FORWARD, UH, THIS PROJECT HAS A WEBSITE AS WELL. 
          UM, IT, UH, HAS THE KEY PROJECT COMPONENTS THAT WE REVIEW TO DATE, AND THEN, UH, CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          UH, IN ORDER TO ENGAGE THE PROJECT TEAM, WE DO NEED TO UPDATE THE WEBSITE, UH, TO REFLECT OUR ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE, WHICH I'LL REVIEW, UH, HERE IN A MOMENT. 
          UM, SO WITH THIS, UH, WE'RE REALLY ON THE, THE THIRD STEP OF A FOUR STEP PROCESS. 
          UH, THE FIRST PART OF THE PROJECT WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON, UH, PROJECT ORIENTATION. 
          SO THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS LOOKING BACK AT OUR CURRENT CODE TO SEE WHAT HAS WORKED WELL, WHAT MAY NEED REFINEMENT. 
          UH, WITH THAT, THAT CULMINATED, UH, WITH OUR SECOND STEP OF PRESENTING A DRAFT ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT CODE. 
          THAT ASSESSMENT WAS USED TO SHAPE, UH, THE DRAFTS OF FOUR DISTINCT MODULES OF THE NEW UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          UM, SO WE REVIEWED THE FIRST ONE, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          THAT WAS THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND, UH, USE MATRICES. 
          UH, THE SECOND ONE, UH, WE REVIEWED, UH, IN THE, UH, SUMMER OF, UH, 2021, UH, THAT WAS BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE SEPARATE COMPONENTS. 
          IT INCLUDED TOPICS SUCH AS PARKING, UH, LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS, AND OTHER SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, RELATED TO CONNECTIVITY. 
          UM, NOW WE HAVE TWO, UH, FINAL COMPONENTS, UH, TWO REVIEW. 
          UH, THOSE INCLUDE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES BY WHICH WE PROCESS AND REVIEW THE ASSORTMENT OF ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT, UH, WE, UH, PROCESS, UH, AS A CITY. 
          AND THEN THE LAST MODULE WILL ADDRESS, UH, SIGNS, UH, WHICH IS ALWAYS A, UM, A FAIRLY COMPLEX DISCUSSION. 
          WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS ON THAT TOPIC, UH, LATER THIS EVENING. 
          AND THEN I'LL ALSO ADDRESS, UH, TELECOMMUNICATIONS, UH, FACILITIES AS WELL. 
          SO ONCE WE FINISH THOSE LAST TWO MODULES, WE'LL THEN REVISIT ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS ASSEMBLED FOR THE FOUR MODULES. 
          PREPARE A DRAFT UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, ROLL THAT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, DO SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THAT DRAFT CODE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY EXECUTE A, UH, PUBLIC FORMAL PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS, UH, BY WHICH WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, BEFORE THE COMMISSION, AND ULTIMATELY COUNSEL TO ADOPT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SO, UM, TO THIS POINT, WE'VE HAD, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A SERIES OF MEETINGS, UH, SIX ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETINGS OVER THE COURSE OF THE PROJECT, UH, THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF THOSE WERE IN PERSON. 
          ONE WAS MORE OF A, UM, ZOOM, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING, AND THEN FIVE JOINT CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS. 
          UH, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I, I GET OFTEN IS, ONE, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT AND WHY IT'S TAKING SO LONG, UH, SO FREQUENTLY, UH, THIS, THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, UPDATING AN ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          UM, CITIES SEE DELAYS OFTEN. 
          UH, WE HAD SOME NATURAL DELAYS BUILT INTO THIS PROJECT. 
          THE PANDEMIC, UH, WE HAD SOME STAFFING CHALLENGES. 
          WE WENT, UH, WE'VE HAD TWO DIRECTORS NOW AND, UH, THREE PLANNING MANAGERS. 
          UH, BUT, UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME, UH, FUN AND ONGOING CHALLENGES RELATED TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE, UH, TAKEN OUR ATTENTION AWAY FROM THIS. 
          BUT NOW THAT WE'VE WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES, UH, WE REALLY ARE, ARE SET UP WELL TO FINISH THIS PROJECT, AND WE'VE ESTABLISHED A SCHEDULE FOR DOING THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, SO WITH THAT, UM, MY STAFF IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON COMPLETING OUR REVIEW, THE FINAL TWO MODULES, UH, REALLY OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS AND WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT TO COMPLETE NEEDED REVISIONS PRIOR TO PRESENTING TO THE, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS WELL AS P AND Z AND COUNCIL IN JULY. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING ON YOUR SCHEDULE SOON, UH, TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, ONCE WE GET YOUR FEEDBACK, THEN WE'RE GONNA TRANSITION INTO PREPARING THAT, UH, DRAFT FINAL CODE, UH, WITH THE GOAL OF ROLLING THAT OUT, UH, LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL, AND HAVING OUR COMMUNITY, UH, FEEDBACK OPPORTUNITIES, UH, SEVERAL, UH, DURING THAT TIME TO REFINE AND TWEAK AND GET TO THE FINAL, UH, DRAFT AND THEN PRESENT THAT FINAL DRAFT FOR CONSIDERATION BY P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL, UH, AT THE START OF 2024 AND GET IT ADOPTED AND START IMPLEMENTING IT IN THE WINTER OF 2024. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THIS TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS QUITE A COMPLICATED STUDY, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST A HUGE GIVEN TIMING. 
          WE HAVE STAFF CHANGE COVID 19, 
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THEN IT ITSELF IS COMPLICATED, YOU KNOW, SO TIME IS CHANGING, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SALARY RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST, WE PROBABLY, ADDISON IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE, YOU KNOW, POLICY THAN ANYBODY ELSE ALREADY, EVERYBODY KNOW. 
          SO I ALWAYS TRY TO GIVE MORE LENIENCY, YOU KNOW, SINCE, I MEAN, THE SMALL BUSINESS, LIKE MOST OF OTHERS. 
          BUT YOU, YOU, WE CAN HAVE MORE THOROUGH, UH, UDC, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE. 
          PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TO SEND IT TO COUNCIL ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION YOURSELF. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A BETTER POLICY, BETTER COATS. 
          SO DON'T HAVE TO ALWAYS TAKE TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE ROLLING OFF OR ARE NOT RUNNING AGAIN, BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY SHOULD THEY WISH TO EXERCISE THAT TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE 12 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE, THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE, UM, COME, WILL BE HERE. 
          CATHERINE'S FOR SURE, , CATHERINE'S EXPERIENCE IN BOTH P AND Z AND COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE HATE FOR US TO LOSE ALL OF THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO INCLUDE THOSE THAT ARE WILLING TO SERVE, TO CONTINUE ON. 
          I WOULD DO IT IF I'M STILL IN TOWN. 
           TOM, I KNOW HE'S NOT MOVING. 
           NEITHER. 
          CATHERINE, NEITHER YOU, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK IT'S WORTH, IT'S WORTH NOTING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, AS IMPORTANT AS THINGS ARE THAT COME UP, YOU KNOW, BE IT WHATEVER THEY ARE, THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND THINGS THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL EVERY TIME WE ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, BECAUSE WE NEED TO, WE WANT TO, WHATEVER. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT THERE'S A PRICE TO BE PAID. 
          SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST A GOOD REMINDER THAT THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO GET THIS UPDATED, AND WE WANT IT TO BE DONE EXPEDITIOUSLY. 
          UM, BUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE FACED, UH, HAVE BEEN REAL . 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S JUST, IT'S GOOD TO REMEMBER. 
          IT'S GOOD TO REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT, AND IT, IT REALLY SPEAKS TO THE PACE. 
          ADDISON THAT'S GONE AT REALLY FOR DECADES IS THERE'S OUR, MOST OF OUR CODE IS FROM 1983. 
          AND BECAUSE OUR STAFF WAS SO BUSY IMPLEMENTING THE EXCELLENT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND, UH, UH, PUBLIC PROJECTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE LAST FOUR DECADES, IT'S HARD TO DEDICATE AND COMMIT THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED TO DO A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT, BUT THAT SOME KIND SOMETIMES CAN BE VERY, UH, TIME INTENSIVE AND RESOURCE INTENSIVE. 
          SO, UH, I, BETWEEN MYSELF AND OUR PLANNING MANAGER, LESLIE KNIGHT, WE HAVE THE TIME AND WE'RE GONNA COMMIT THE RESOURCES TO FINISHING IT BECAUSE IT IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PROJECT. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S BEEN SINCE 2021, SINCE THIS COMMITTEE HASNT BEEN, UH, YES. 
          IT WOULD'VE BEEN LATE THAT SUMMER. 
          AND, UH, HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM LATELY TO MEASURE THEIR, UH, WELL ACTUALLY MEASURE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN IN THEIR ABILITY OR COMMITMENT? I HAVE WITH ABOUT HALF OF 'EM. 
          I NEED TO CHECK IN WITH THE, THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE. 
          THERE MIGHT BE CHANGES THERE, THERE MAY BE TO GET, MEASURE THAT TEMPERATURE AND, AND IF THERE'S A NEED TO, TO APPOINT SOME NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WE'LL CERTAINLY BRING THAT TO. 
          SO YOU THINK, UH, NEXT UDC MEETING WILL BE WHEN? JULY. 
          JULY. 
          SO WE ALREADY TRIM OUT. 
          SO IS THERE ANY CONSTRAINTS ON THE COMMITTEE SIZE OR ANY, UH, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          THERE'S NO HARD AND FAST RULE. 
          UM, I, I THINK, UM, FOR A COMMITTEE LIKE THIS, IT'S HARDER TO, TO GET A LARGE COMMITTEE. 
          ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WAS ORIGINALLY EXISTED WITH, UH, ESTABLISHING THIS COMMITTEE WAS GETTING MORE VOLUNTEERS. 
          IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL, UH, COMMITTEE. 
          SO THERE'S ONLY, UH, SO MANY PEOPLE THAT, UH, HAVE THAT DEEP DIVE TYPE 
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OF INTEREST IN ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. 
          THERE'S ONLY SO MANY NERDS LIKE ME OUT THERE,  TOO. 
          SO, SO IF, IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND, UH, ARE INTERESTED IN, IN THAT LEVEL OF TECHNICAL DETAIL, CERTAINLY IT'D BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO ADD, AS WE LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR, THAT CAN JUST CONTINUE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE STARTING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE A LARGE COMMITTEE, AND THAT'S GONNA ALIGN WITH THIS. 
          SO WE'RE CERTAINLY, LOOK, KEN'S POINTS ARE VERY VALID ON STAFFING, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE STAFFING FOR KIM'S GROUP TO ENSURE WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED THERE TO GET THINGS DONE. 
          SO I LIKE THE SLEEP OCCASIONALLY, . 
          WELL, THE FRUSTRATING THING TOO IS THAT WE KNOW THAT ONCE THE CODE IS UPDATED, IT'S GONNA SOLVE FOR PERHAPS SOME OF THE, THE, THE REASONS WHY WE EVEN ARE EVEN ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO IT, SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          IT'S JUST, UM, TRYING TO GET IT DONE. 
          I SEE. 
          I AGREE. 
          MAKE IT, UH, EASY TO DO BUSINESS WITH ADDISON. 
          THIS, THIS REALLY DOES GIVE A LOT OF, UM, GREASING THE SKIDS FOR THAT GIVE YOU THE POLICY TO MAKE THE DECISIONS, MAKE IT EASIER, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BEFORE IT HAS TO GO TO ANOTHER LEVEL. 
          DOES IT MATTER IF, IF, YOU KNOW, ON THE COMPREHENSIVE, WE NEED THIS, DOES IT MATTER WHICH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS DONE BEFORE THE TIMING OF THAT, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN COMMITMENTS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TIMELINE, AND I DON'T WANT TO DIVERT FROM THOSE AT THIS POINT. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, KEN IS RUNNING A VERY, UH, BUSY DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH LOTS DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON. 
          SO THEN PLUS NO MORE APARTMENTS DEAL, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK AWAY A LOT OF HIS TIME ORIGINALLY, HE CAN FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          NOW HE'S HAVE TO SPEND TIME ON OTHER ISSUES. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT FOR WHAT YOU DO AND YOUR STAFF. 
          UH, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK, AND, UH, WE'RE NOW TRYING TO RUSH YOU WITH THIS. 
          WE JUST WANNA KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL GOING ON, , I WANNA TAKE IT OFF MY LIST. 
          SO , IF YOU'RE RUSHING ME, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY MORE QUESTION FOR CAN, HOW, HOW REALISTIC DO YOU THINK THE SCHEDULE IS? I THINK IT'S REALISTIC, UNLESS ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SAYING DIVERSION SETS IN. 
          I THINK THAT YOU CATCH ENOUGH TIMING BECAUSE THE, UH, T O D WON'T START SO SOON. 
          SO BY THE TIME YOU FINISH THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ABOUT TO START. 
          SO, UH, SOME ISSUES ARE RELATED, LIKE PARKING RESTRICTIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , LIKE, UH, LESS MILES, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION, LESS MILE TRANSPORTATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT WAY EVOLVING TO THE DESIGN PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOW AND THE, WE PROBABLY CONSIDER AUTONOMY CAR, AND THEN NOBODY NEEDS TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE, IT WOULD BE MORE CONVENIENT SO PEOPLE CAN TRAVEL FROM TRANS, THIS TRANSIT CENTER TO DIFFERENT RESTAURANT HOTELS. 
          MUCH EASIER. 
          ANY MORE QUESTION? NO, MA'AM. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, KEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM 
          [2.  Present and Discuss the Results of Phase II of the Facilities Utilization Study.]
NUMBER TWO, PRESENT, DISCUSS THE RESULTS OF PHASE TWO OF THE FACILITY UTILIZATION STUDY. 
          I'M GONNA GET JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS BEFORE I'M HANDING IT OVER TO ME EVEN GETTING STARTED. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IS GETTING SHORTER PRESENTATIONS AND TO THE POINT, THIS IS A VERY LONG, A VERY LONG PRESENTATION. 
          UM, BUT IT'S ON FOR A REASON. 
          THIS HAS BEEN, AS YOU SAW ON THE BACKUP AND AS YOU'RE HERE, THIS HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR MULTIPLE YEARS NOW OF TRYING TO REALLY PREPARE FOR WHAT THE FACILITIES WE HAVE NOW, KNOWING WE HAVE NEEDS AND WHAT DOES THE FUTURE LOOK LIKE. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY THAT FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 
          YOU'LL SEE IT'S LAID OUT TO LAY OUT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AND SEE WHERE YOU ARE, AND THEN WE CAN START DEVELOPING PLANS AND BRINGING THOSE BACK. 
          SO I'LL HAND IT OVER TO HAMIN. 
          THANK YOU, DAVID. 
          UH, GOOD. 
          DAVID AND COUNCIL, UH, UH, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT BACKGROUND, WE STARTED THIS PROJECT BACK IN JULY OF 2019. 
          AT THAT POINT, THE HIRE LPA ARCHITECTURE FIRM THAT THEY IMPLEMENTED THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PROJECT, AND THEY PRESENTED THEIR FINDINGS TO THE COUNCIL IN APRIL OF, UH, 2020. 
          AND BASED 
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ON THEIR FINDINGS, UH, COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO CONTINUE WITH THE SECOND PHASE, UH, FOR THIS STUDY. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, WE HIRE, UH, M P IN JANUARY OF 20,022. 
          AND, UM, NPI REALLY CAPITALIZED, UH, THE DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED BY THE, UH, L P, AND THEY EXTENDED IT AND CAME UP WITH A, UH, FINAL SOLUTION THAT IS, IS PRESENTED HERE. 
          UH, UH, THE SECOND PHASE WAS MOSTLY FOCUSED. 
          THE MOST, UH, FOCUS WAS ON FINANCIAL ASPECT OF THE PROJECT. 
          THAT, UH, IT WAS, UH, FINDING THE TIPPING POINT THAT INDICATE, UH, SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED NEW BUILDING IN UNITED AND, UH, STAYING WITH THE OLD BUILDING OR FINDING THE MOST, UH, UH, ECONOMIC, UH, APPROACH, UH, OVER THE 30 TO 40 YEARS. 
          AND FINALLY, DEFINE AND DEVELOP A STRATEGY FOR THE EACH BUILDING. 
          UM, ERICA MARSH, GREAT. 
          UH, SHE WAS THE LEAD ARCHITECT WITH THE MPI, AND SHE WAS, UH, INVOLVED FROM THE BEGINNING TO END. 
          UH, UH, SHE DID, UH, ALL THE DATA GATHERING, DATA ANALYSIS, GAP ANALYSIS, AND FINALLY BRINGING THE SOLUTION FORWARD. 
          AS YOU WILL SEE, HOWEVER, SHE LEFT NPI TWO MONTHS AGO, AND WE THOUGHT AT THAT POINT, UH, SHE'S THE MOST QUALIFIED BEING HERE TO THE PRESENTATION TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTION YOU HAVE WITH REGARD TO THE DESIGN CALCULATION, ET CETERA. 
          AND SHE WAS, UH, NICE ENOUGH AND KIND ENOUGH TO ACCEPT AND GRANT HER A REQUEST. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU WOULD SEE THAT. 
          WE TRY TO, UH, REALLY TOUCH ALL OF THOSE POINTS THAT I JUST, UH, MENTIONED. 
          AND, UH, WE OPEN UP GOOD Q AND A AND HOPEFULLY WE GET SOME KIND OF A DIRECTION FOR YOU ALL FOR THE NEXT SYSTEM. 
          ALSO, BEFORE I PASS ON TO ERICA, UH, I WANNA COMPLIMENT, UH, ROB BO STONE, WHO WAS THE PROJECT LEADER FROM THE TOWNSIDE. 
          AND HE HAS SPENT NUMEROUS TIMES WITH L P A AND M P I, AND I THINK HE HAD DONE A FANTASTIC JOB, HOWEVER, WELL, HE'S UNDER WEATHER AND HE THEN, UH, WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE. 
          I KNOW THAT HE'S, UH, NOT EXCITED ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. 
          WITH THAT SAYS, ERICA, THANK YOU. 
          UH, AS HAK MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROCESS, SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR TAKING THE TIME TO, TO HEAR US OUT ON THIS ONE TODAY, AND WE ARE EXCITED. 
          HOPEFULLY THE, THE BACKGROUND AND DIRECTION THAT WE PROVIDE TONIGHT CAN GIVE YOU ENOUGH INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN COLLECTIVELY AS A TEAM KNOW HOW TO PROCEED. 
          SO THIS EVENING WE'RE, WE KIND OF WANNA GO OVER JUST THE PROCESS, KIND OF THE BACKGROUND OF HOW WE DECIDED TO GO THROUGH WHICH BUILDINGS, AND THEN ALSO THE STRATEGY OF THE DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA, THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT. 
          WE CAME UP WITH THREE OPTIONS TO GO OVER THIS EVENING. 
          SO OPTION ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IS RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          WHAT WOULD IT TAKE IF WE JUST KIND OF KEPT THINGS, DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY ARE, THE BUILDINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND BRING 'EM UP TO CURRENT CODE STANDARDS FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCIES, AND THEN ALSO FOR THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS. 
          OPTION TWO WOULD THEN LOOK AT, UH, FURTHER PROJECTION OF THAT. 
          DO WE NEED NEW FACILITIES? AND THEN OPTION THREE, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING, IF WE JUST CONTINUE THE STATUS QUO AND WE PROCEED AS IS, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FINANCIALLY IN THAT SITUATION AS WELL? SO WITH THAT, WE LOOKED AT THE TOWN OF AN ADDISON TO LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENT ADJACENCIES, WHICH DEPARTMENTS REALLY NEED TO BE FUNCTIONING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          THE SPACE USAGE AND EFFICIENCIES OF THESE BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES FOR THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS. 
          ALSO, UH, LARGER TOPIC REGARDING THE COSTS, RIGHT? FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE FACILITIES AND REALLY EXAMINING WHAT COULD BE THE FUTURE OF ADDISON FOR THEIR FACILITIES. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, WE ARE STILL KIND OF IN THAT DECISION AND DIRECTION PROCESS. 
          THE GOAL OF THIS EVENING IS TO HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH REALLY AT THAT POINT WOULD BE POSSIBLY A MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY AND THE FACILITIES WITHIN TOWN OF ADDISON. 
          AND THEN ALSO FURTHERING THE BUDGET. 
          UH, A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS THAT WE'LL DISCUSS THIS EVENING ARE OVERALL ROUGH ORDER MAGNITUDE COSTS. 
          AND SO 
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TAKING IT TO THAT NEXT STEP, IF WE DO LOOK AT A NEW FACILITY, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT ARE THE EXACT REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT BUILDING AND HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST? AND THEN WE CAN EXECUTE THAT PLAN. 
          SO WITH THE BACKGROUND HERE, WE REALLY NARROWED IT DOWN TO JUST SEVERAL FACILITIES WITHIN THE TOWN OF ADDISON. 
          SO WE INITIALLY STARTED WITH THE POLICE AND COURTS BUILDING, THEN WE LOOKED AT THE FIRE STATION ONE, FIRE STATION TWO, THE SERVICE CENTER, THE FINANCE BUILDING, AND ALSO TOWN HALL. 
          WHEN WE CONSIDERED THESE, WE ALSO CONSIDERED THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE FACILITIES MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF EACH DEPARTMENT IN THESE FACILITIES? AND DO THE FACILITIES ACCOUNT FOR A GROWTH PLAN? WHAT HAPPENS IN 10 YEARS AS ADDISON GROWS? AND THEN ALSO, IS IT POSSIBLE TO EVEN KEEP THE FACILITIES AND REORGANIZE MAYBE THE DEPARTMENTS BASED ON WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE? SO THAT BEING SAID, WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND SO FOR INSTANCE, THE SERVICE CENTER HOUSES SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS WITHIN ONE FACILITY. 
          NOT ONLY WE, WE CALL IT A SERVICE CENTER, WHICH YOU WOULD THINK WOULD BE PUBLIC WORKS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR INSTANCE. 
          BUT YET WE ALSO HAVE, UH, PARKS AND RECS, WE HAVE IT, AND GENERAL SERVICES WITHIN THAT BUILDING. 
          TOWN HALL, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE SEVERAL FINANCES KIND OF ON ITS OWN. 
          AND THEN WE DID LOOK AT POSSIBLE OPTIONS EVEN FOR THE CONFERENCE CENTER, UH, JUST FOR DEPARTMENT NEEDS AND EASING THE LOADS ON THESE BUILDINGS. 
          SO LET, IF WE KICK IT OFF WITH POLICE AND COURTS, WE WERE FINDING THAT THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDS ARE NOT BEING CURRENTLY MET IN THAT BUILDING. 
          THEY ARE BUSING AT THE SEAMS. IT ALSO IS, UM, LET'S SAY JUST A LITTLE OUTDATED ON SOME OF IT COULD USE A, A FACELIFT OR RENOVATION, UM, AND POSSIBLY AN EXPANSION IF WE STAYED IN THAT CURRENT BUILDING. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE, UH, SEVERAL SLIDES THAT WE'RE GONNA ILLUSTRATE JUST SOME OF, SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES, RIGHT? THE, THE MAIN LOBBY. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD AN ELEVATOR TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF WE WERE STAYING IN THAT BUILDING. 
          CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ELEVATOR FOR A TWO-STORY BUILDING. 
          UH, AS MENTIONED, THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY'RE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS AND PUTTING STORAGE ALMOST EVERYWHERE AND COULD USE, UH, QUITE A BIT MORE SPACE FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING. 
          AND SO THIS SLIDE EVEN ILLUSTRATES, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE, THE JAIL FACILITIES HAVE BEEN, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH ANOTHER PARTNERING CITY. 
          BUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT JAIL? WELL, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE USING IT AS STORAGE OPPORTUNITIES AND EVEN SOME LABS. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING IN THE JAIL CELLS, UM, NOW JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE SPACE WORK FOR WHAT THEY HAVE. 
          THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          FOR INSTANCE, 88 UPGRADES FOR CURRENT CODES. 
          UM, THERE'S ISSUES WITH, UH, THE CURRENT LOCKER ROOMS, FOR INSTANCE, FOR OUR OFFICERS. 
          MEN'S AND WOMEN'S ARE REALLY NOT COMPLIANT RIGHT NOW. 
          YES, WE'VE, WE'VE UPDATED SOME IN THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S TIME THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT IT AS A HOLISTIC APPROACH OF HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY IN THIS FACILITY. 
          FIRE STATION TWO, DURING OUR THIS PROCESS, WE DISCOVERED VERY SIMILAR NEEDS. 
          UM, OR I'M SORRY, FIRE STATION ONE. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          UH, FIRE STATION ONE IS VERY SIMILAR IN THE FACT THAT THE REQUIREMENTS REALLY, THEY COULD USE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THIS. 
          THEIR OPPORTUNITY HERE IS THAT, UH, DORMITORIES ARE A BIG FUNCTION FOR FIRE STATIONS. 
          THESE BUILDINGS ARE OPERATED 24 7, AND THESE FACILITIES HERE REALLY ARE NOT TO THE CURRENT CODES OR, UH, I SHOULDN'T SAY CURRENT CODES. 
          THEY'RE NOT UP TO, TO CURRENT STANDARDS FOR DORMITORIES FOR FIRE STATIONS. 
          AND WE HAVE, EVEN IN THIS ONE, WE HAVE THE SERVICE GEAR IN THE APPARATUS SPACE, UH, WITH UV EXPOSURE, ET CETERA, MAINLY BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE THE STORAGE SPACE CAPABLE TO KEEP THIS GEAR OUT IN, 
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IN DARK ROOM CONDITIONS. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, ILLUSTRATING, UH, THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S NOT MUCH SEPARATION BETWEEN THE FIREFIGHTERS FOR THE CURRENT DORMITORY CONDITIONS. 
          THERE'S VERY LITTLE SEPARATION EVEN BETWEEN THE MALE AND FEMALE FIREFIGHTERS AS WELL IN SIMILAR TO PD, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BUSTING AT THE SEAMS FOR, FOR STORAGE AND FOR ADA UPGRADES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEEDING. 
          SO, UH, THIS GOES TO SHOW YOU, AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS PHOTO, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE SUN SHINING ON SOME OF THESE, THESE GEAR LOCKERS. 
          AND THAT DOES BECOME A SAFETY HAZARD AND, OR AN ADDITIONAL COST BECAUSE AT A CERTAIN POINT THEN THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE THEIR GEAR FASTER THAN ANTICIPATED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS SAFE. 
          SO FIRE STATION TWO. 
          HOWEVER, WE DID NOTICE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          THAT'S THE POSITIVE HERE. 
          FIRE STATION TWO, THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM THAT IF WE DID A RENOVATION, WE CAN FIT IT ALL IN. 
          BUT THEY DO NEED A RENOVATION BECAUSE SIMILAR TO FIRE STATION ONE, THE DORMITORY STILL AREN'T UP TO TYPICAL STANDARD. 
          AND SAME WITH ADA ISSUES FOR SOME OF THE LOCKER ROOMS. SO THE SERVICE CENTER, ONCE AGAIN, WE WENT OVER ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO WE HAD GENERAL SERVICES, IT, PARKS AND REC, PUBLIC WORKS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ALL HOUSED IN THIS FACILITY. 
          THAT BEING SAID, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE NEEDING MORE SPACE, EITHER THAT OR POSSIBLE RELOCATION OF SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS TO EASE THE LOAD ON THE FACILITY. 
          WE ALSO NOTICE VERY SIMILAR THINGS IN THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN UPGRADES THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY QUICK TIMEFRAME OF ADA UPGRADES AND ALLOCATION OF SPACE AND BETTER UTILIZATION OF THE SPACE. 
          SO IN ONE OF THE MAIN ITEMS IS HAVING ALL THOSE FACILITIES, IT'S REALLY GEARED TO BE A TRUE SERVICE CENTER WITH PARKS AND REC AND OR YES, PARKS AND REC. 
          AND WE CAN SEE PUBLIC WORKS HERE AS WELL, BUT THE PARKING IS AN ISSUE HAVING EVERY DEPARTMENT HERE. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO ASKING THE PUBLIC TO COME TO THIS BUILDING FOR P N Z AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE'RE SEEING A STRESS ON THE FACILITY AND SITE RE CONSTRAINTS WITH THIS BUILDING. 
          IN THE FINANCE BUILDING. 
          WE DO HAVE THE PROPER SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE BUILDING. 
          WE ONLY HAVE ONE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW IN THAT FACILITY. 
          HOWEVER, WE ARE SEEING SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AS WE CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S ALSO A FEW A D A UPGRADES THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE CALLING OUT A D A RESTROOMS, BUT YET THEY'RE NOT TO CURRENT ADA STANDARDS. 
          TOWN HALL, ONCE AGAIN, THERE IS PROBABLY ENOUGH ROOM IN TOWN HALL, WE'LL GET FURTHER INTO THIS STUDY, BUT RELOCATION OF COUNSEL, FOR INSTANCE, COULD EASE THE STRESS OF THE FACILITY IN THE LOAD CAPACITY FOR THE OCCUPANCY. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE SEEING THAT SIMILAR TO OTHER BUILDINGS, MAINTENANCE IS AN ISSUE HERE WITH ALMOST EVERY FACILITY. 
          AND SO SOME UPGRADES ARE JUSTIFIED IN, IN THIS BUILDING AS WELL. 
          SO LET'S KIND OF NOW DO A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW THAT YOU CAN SEE THE FACILITIES AND WHERE THEY STAND CURRENTLY. 
          EXCUSE ME, ERIC. 
          YES, I, ID LIKE TO INTERRUPT YOU HERE FOR A SECOND. 
          YES. 
          CAN YOU GIVE US AN UNDER UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE ADJACENCIES AND GIVE US A DEFINITION OF DEPARTMENTAL EFFICIENCIES? UH, ADJACENCIES? YES. 
          YES. 
          SO WHAT WE KIND OF LOOKED AT IS WE MET WITH EVERY DIRECTOR OF EACH DEPARTMENT THAT WE DISCUSSED HERE AND REALLY KIND OF DETERMINED WHETHER THERE WAS A NEED FOR THEM TO FUNCTION TOGETHER. 
          AND FOR INSTANCE, IN THE SERVICE CENTER, IDEALLY, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC DOES NOT NEED TO BE NEXT TO FINANCE, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE TO BE NEXT TO COUNCIL, ET CETERA. 
          AND SO WITH THESE OPTIONS AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE CONFERENCE CENTER, WHAT DEPARTMENTS CAN OPERATE MAYBE FREESTANDING OR UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING TO EASE THE LOAD ON THE BUILDINGS. 
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AND SO AS WE PROCEED THROUGH, THERE WAS A NEED FOR THAT AND WE COULD UTILIZE THE CONFERENCE CENTER FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OPTION ONE WAS THE RENOVATION OF EXISTING FACILITIES. 
          AND REALLY HERE WE HAD QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WERE THESE BUILDINGS MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THEM, WHAT CAN WE DO TO ALTER THEM TO MEET THOSE NEEDS? YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD BE A COST ASSOCIATED TO UPDATE THESE BUILDINGS IF WE LEFT THEM WHERE THEY ARE TODAY? AND IS THERE A PRIORITY OR SEQUENCING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO MAKE THESE MODIFICATIONS? SO THAT BEING SAID, ONCE AGAIN, WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH ALL OF THESE IN DISCOVERED THAT POLICE AND COURTS, AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IS NOT MEETING THE NEEDS THAT THEY NEED ADDITIONAL SPACES. 
          WE DISCUSSED EVERYTHING FROM, UH, TRAINING SPACE, STORAGE SPACE, AND OTHER ITEMS LISTED HERE. 
          BUT THE MAIN THING TO NOTE IS THAT EVEN IF WE JUST RENOVATED THE EXISTING BUILDING TO BRINGING IT UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST 12 MILLION FOR AN OVERALL BUDGET. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS ALL IN BUDGET THOUGH, INCLUDING YOUR AE COSTS EVERYTHING. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 12 MILLION. 
          HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS BUILDING. 
          AND THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S JUST BRINGING UP THE ENERGY CODES AND EFFICIENCIES AND ADA UPGRADES, ET CETERA. 
          IF WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE DEPARTMENT TO MEET ITS NEEDS, WE NEED TO ROUGHLY ADD AN ADDITIONAL 14,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OVERALL BUDGET OF ROUGHLY 20 MILLION. 
          SO, UH, LET ME ASK YOU, UH, YES. 
          WHEN YOU DID THIS ANALYSIS, DID YOU CONSIDER, UH, EXPAND STILL TWO STORY BUILDING MORE? IT'S OUT OF THE NOISE, CONTOUR CAN BE THREE STORY BUILDING. 
          DID YOU DO THOSE ANALYSIS? WE DID CONSIDER, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT 14,000 TO EXPAND OVER THE SALLY PORT IN RANGE AREA. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THEN RELOCATING THE SPACES TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT AS WELL AS, UH, DEMOLITION OF THE JAIL CELLS AND SUCH TO, TO WORK IT OUT. 
          WE WOULD NOT PROPOSE, TO YOUR POINT, BEING SO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT, WE WOULD NOT PROPOSE A THREE STORY BUILDING AT THIS FACILITY, THIS LOCATION. 
          SINCE I, I'VE NOTICED THE, ON THE SECOND STORY OUTSIDE OF CHIEF POLICE, THERE'S A DECK. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          IT'S A VERY RUNDOWN, UH, DECK. 
          IT IS, YES. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT CAN CAUSE SOME, SOME WATER INFILTRATION ISSUES, ET CETERA. 
          SO YES, WE WOULD CAPITALIZE ON SOME OF THAT STRUCTURE AND TRY TO BUILD OUT AND EXPAND ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN INCREASING, FOR INSTANCE, THE SALLY PORT AND THEN OVER THE ADJACENT PORTION OF THE BUILDING, SIR, UM, PROCEEDING WITH FIRE STATION ONE AS WELL, VERY SIMILAR AS WE DISCUSSED TO PD THAT THEY NEED SOME MORE SPACE, ET CETERA. 
          THEIR NEEDS ARE NOT BEING MET. 
          THEY REALLY NEED ANOTHER ADDITIONAL APPARATUS BAY. 
          HOWEVER, THE SITE CONSTRAINTS FOR THE CURRENT LOCATION. 
          THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH FUELING STATIONS ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY AND YOU, UH, IT COULD BE DONE, BUT AT WHAT COST? CORRECT. 
          SO THAT BEING SAID, IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE ROM COSTS ON THIS ONE, ONCE AGAIN, SI SEVEN MILLIONS NEEDED JUST TO UPDATE AND THAT WILL NOT MEET THEIR NEEDS. 
          FOR INSTANCE, THAT ADDITIONAL APPARATUS BAY. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL 7,000 SQUARE FEET NEEDED TO BE ADDED TO THE EXISTING FACILITY. 
          IF WE KEPT THAT BUILDING AND DID AN EXPANSION WITH AN ESTIMATED BUDGET OF ROUGHLY 11 MILLION FOR THIS ONE. 
          SO HAL REDUCE THE LANDSCAPING, IT WILL REDUCE SOME LANDSCAPING. 
          WE WILL, UH, LOOK, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A STUDY OF THE FUELING STATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE RELOCATED. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR MAYBE A SHARED FUELING STATION WITH THE AIRPORT FOR INSTANCE. 
          BUT TO GET A TRUCK IN THERE THAT CAN MANEUVER THROUGH THE STREETS, THE SMALLER 
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STREETS OF ADDISON, THEY, THEY NEED NEW EQUIPMENT AND A NEW BAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FIRE STATION TWO, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED, THIS REALLY COVERS THE COST. 
          WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A RENOVATION FOR ADA UPGRADES, ENERGY UPGRADES, AND THEN ALSO A RENOVATION TO THE DORMITORIES TO BRING THEM UP TO TYPICAL STANDARDS TODAY FOR FIRE, FIRE SAFETY AND FIRE DORMITORIES. 
          ROUGHLY OF A MU BUDGET OF 4 MILLION. 
          BUT THE TAKEAWAY ON THIS ONE IS THAT WE HAVE A GREAT FACILITY AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THERE, IT'S JUST A RENOVATION TO THE INTERIOR. 
          HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DORMITORIES. 
          WILL THAT MAKE THEM INDIVIDUAL ROOM PRIVATE ROOMS OR IS IT STILL GONNA BE OPEN CONCEPT? NO, THE GOAL IS WE'RE SEEING AS A TYPICAL STANDARD FOR MOST FIRE STATIONS THAT THEY DO HAVE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS FOR PRIVACY IN THAT REST AT, AT THAT TIME. 
          AND THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH IT. 
          UH, FURTHER STUDY WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN REGARDING EXACTLY WHAT THE FIRE CHIEF WOULD WANT AND THE TOWN OF ADDISON WOULD WOULD REQUIRE. 
          BUT INDIVIDUAL ROOMS IS IDEAL. 
          POSSIBLY SHARED RESTROOMS, KIND OF A JACK AND JILL RESTROOM BETWEEN TWO OF THE ROOMS IS EVEN A POSSIBILITY. 
          UM, BUT AT A MINIMUM INDIVIDUAL ROOMS AND, UH, AND UPGRADED LOCKER ROOMS FOR, FOR THE FIRE FIREMEN. 
          SO THE SERVICE CENTER, UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE FACILITY THEY REALLY NEED, IT'S NOT MEETING ALL THE NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW. 
          HOWEVER, WE DID DISCOVER THAT IF WE KIND OF TOOK SERVICE CENTER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE STRUCTURE, WE LEFT JUST THE EXTERIOR WALLS AND COLUMNS, ET CETERA IN THERE, WE COULD UPGRADE THIS BUILDING AND RENOVATE IT AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          WE WOULD JUST MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT IN ITS OPERATION FOR EACH DEPARTMENT. 
          HOWEVER, TO YOUR POINT OF, OF THE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS, ET CETERA, THERE ISN'T A NEED FOR ADJACENCIES FOR SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO CAN WE LOOK AT RELOCATING THEM? BUT IF WE WERE LOOKING AT, AT DOING, SIMILAR TO WHAT I MENTIONED, TAKING IT TO THE, TO THE SHELL STRUCTURE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY A 10 MILLION BUDGET FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE SERVICE CENTER. 
          AND WE'RE GETTING NO ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          NO ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, NO, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME MEZZANINE IN THERE. 
          UM, MEZZANINE AREAS, RIGHT? THERE ARE, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ANYMORE CURRENT CODES WITH MEZZANINES OF WHAT WE PUT UP IN THE MEZZANINE AREA. 
          BUT YES, UM, PART OF THIS COULD LOOK AT FACILITATING MAYBE SOMETHING THAT CROSSES OVER TO CONNECT THAT MEZZANINE TO THE SECOND FLOOR SLAB. 
          SO, ALRIGHT, SO FINANCE BUILDING, UM, HONESTLY IT'S, IT HAS ONE DEPARTMENT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDS ARE THERE, IT'S JUST BRINGING UP CURRENT ISSUES WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCIES, SOME ADA UPGRADES, MINIMAL WORK OVERALL. 
          AND SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THIS BUILDING. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY A 2 MILLION BUDGET TO, TO MAKE THOSE UPGRADES. 
          TOWN HALL VERY SIMILAR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT MEETING ALL THE NEEDS CURRENTLY? IF WE WOULD'VE KEPT COUNCIL IN THERE, IT'S NOT, IF WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HERE FOR TREEHOUSE, THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE WE'RE UTILIZING RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT CURRENTLY IN THE CHAMBERS COUNT, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS, HOWEVER, WE ARE LOOKING AT RELOCATION OF COUNCIL AND THEN ALSO POSSIBLY IS THERE A NEED TO MAKE THOSE UPGRADES SO THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THAT SPACE AS OFFICE SPACE TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE STRESS OF, UH, CURRENT CUBICLES, ET CETERA, AND COMPACT WORKSPACES FOR A FEW PEOPLE. 
          SO IS THE COUNCIL CHECKLIST CHALLENGES WITH THE COUNCIL? UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PARKING? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE YES, PARKING CAN BE AN ISSUE DURING COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          SO RELOCATING COUNCIL WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE PARKING CONCERNS AS 
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WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND A 3.5 MILLION BUDGET TO, TO RENOVATE THAT BUILDING. 
          SO ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ALL THESE BUDGETS. 
          MAINLY THE ONES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON FOR OPTION TWO FOR THE NEW FACILITIES ARE THE IDEA OF UH, PD FIRE STATION ONE AND THEN POSSIBLY EVEN LOOKING AT A, UH, TOWN, TOWN WELL TOWN CENTER. 
          SO WHAT DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE IN THE NEW TOWN CENTER, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS? IS THERE A BENEFIT FOR HAVING THE DEPARTMENTS ALL UNDER ONE ROOF, THINGS TO THAT NATURE, AND WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO BUILD THESE NEW BUILDINGS AND IF SO, ONCE AGAIN, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD BUILD THESE THAT WOULD BE A GREAT STRATEGY FOR TOWN OF ADDISON IN A PHASING APPROACH FOR PRIORITY? SO THE NEW POLICE STATION, WE WOULD RECOMMEND A NEW FACILITY AND WITH THIS THAT BUDGET, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A BRAND NEW POLICE STATION, ROUGHLY A 25 MILLION BUDGET. 
          I DO HAVE A INFORMATION AT THE END AS A SUMMARY TO KIND OF RECAP, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER JUST DOING THE ADDITION AND UPDATES TO THE EXISTING FACILITY WAS ALMOST 20 MILLION. 
          SO REALLY WHAT'S THAT TIPPING POINT THAT WE DECIDE, OKAY, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO BUILD A NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER RENOVATION AND EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING LOCATION. 
          IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE A LOCATION AND WE DO HAVE, THERE ARE OPTIONS. 
          ADDISON DOES HAVE PROPERTIES THAT WE INVESTIGATED THAT COULD BE USED FOR A NEW POLICE STATION IS CALLING FORWARD, UH, WITH THE NEW POLICE STATION AND IF THE TOWN DECIDED TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION, WE WOULD ALSO PROPOSE A NEW FIRE STATION, ONE CENTRAL FIRE STATION FOR TOWN OF ADDISON IF WE CAN RELOCATE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER FACILITY. 
          THERE'S MULTIPLE BENEFITS TO THIS IN THE FACT THAT THESE DEPARTMENTS CAN OPERATE WITHOUT A HICCUP. 
          THEY POLICE CAN OPERATE IN ITS FACILITY UNTIL THE NEW FACILITY IS COMPLETE AND MAKE A QUICK TRANSITION TO THE NEW BUILDING ONCE THAT HAPPENS. 
          THE REASON THAT WE'VE CREATED THIS PRIORITY LIST IS THAT THEN WE CAN DEMOLISH THE OLD BUILDING OF PD AND COURTS AND THEN EXPAND AND BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION ACROSS THAT SITE. 
          WE DID COMPLETE STUDIES THAT LOOK AT TRAFFIC PATTERNS AROUND THAT FACILITY BECAUSE WE WOULD REROUTE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC, HOWEVER SIMILAR TO PD DURING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FIRE COULD OPERATE AS IS IN ITS CURRENT FACILITY AND NOT BE INTERRUPTED DURING THAT CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND MAKE A FASTER TRANSITION TO THE NEW BUILDING DOING THIS PHASED APPROACH AND OPERATING IN THIS MANNER. 
          THE TOWN HAS THE ABILITY TO ALSO SAVE A LOT OF FUNDS BY NOT DISTURBING THESE DEPARTMENTS AND ALLOCATING 'EM INTO ANOTHER FACILITY WITH FEES ASSOCIATED TO THAT. 
          SO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A TOWN CENTER, WE DID LOOK AT MULTIPLE UM, OPTIONS FOR A POSSIBLE TOWN CENTER THAT WOULD KIND OF BE THIRD IN OUR PHASED APPROACH OF THIS. 
          AND SO IF WE WENT WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY INCLUDING LAND ACQUISITION FOR THESE NUMBERS. 
          WE WOULD NEED ROUGHLY 120,000 SQUARE FEET TO MAINTAIN ALL THE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS AND CONSIDER A BIT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR FUTURE GROWTH. 
          THAT BEING SAID, WE WOULD LOOK AT ROUGHLY A 60 MILLION PROJECT BUDGET, EXCUSE ME, BUT WITH THIS OPTION WE COULD ALSO INVESTIGATE P THREE FUNDING. 
          SO NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY AND WE COULD MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL WITH THIS NEW FACILITY. 
          THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR A TOWN CENTER WAS WHAT IF WE LOOKED AT AN ACQUISITION AND RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING HERE IN ADDISON? IS THERE A BUILDING THAT HAS ROUGHLY A HUNDRED TO 120,000 SQUARE FEET AND COULD MEET THE NEEDS FOR PARKING FOR ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA? WE DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A BUILDING PER 
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SE IN MIND. 
          SO THE ROUGH ESTIMATED COST OF THIS ONE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUILDING THE SHELL AND WE'RE SAVING THE MONEY ON THAT PORTION, A NEW TOWN CENTER COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR ROUGHLY 40 TO 45 MILLION. 
          IT COULD ALSO SAVE YOU IN YOUR TIMELINE FOR O OCCUPANCY BECAUSE WITH THE SHELL THEY'RE WORKING IN AN ENCLOSED ENVIRONMENT FOR THE MOST PART IN COULD, COULD PROCEED WITH CONSTRUCTION MUCH FASTER. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ALSO WITH THE LOCATIONS FOR A NEW TOWN CENTER, WANTED TO AT LEAST THINK OF WHERE COULD THIS BE LOCATED AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR ADDISON OWNED PROPERTY ALREADY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE CONFERENCE CENTER SITE? COULD WE EXPAND ON THE EXISTING CONFERENCE CENTER TO CREATE A NEW TOWN CENTER IF NEEDED? AND ALSO THERE'S SEVERAL LOTS THAT THE TOWN OF ADDISON OWNS CURRENTLY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT UTILIZING AS WELL. 
          BUT THAT IS SECOND, SECOND BULLET POINT VACANT LOT. 
          YES. 
          UH, OVER, UH, A UH, CAR RENTAL IN MARCO GLASS COMPANY WE BOUGHT IT IN 2007 OR EIGHT, BUT UH, HOW MANY ACRES THERE ARE DO YOU KNOW? I THINK IT'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE. 
          IT AND IT MAY NOT, IT MIGHT TAKE AN ACQUISITION OF AVIS AND BRIDGE THE PROPERTIES THAT ADDISON ALREADY OWNS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT AT LEAST IT'S A, IT'S A STARTING POINT WITHOUT BUY IF IF NEEDED WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE THOSE LAND. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT WON'T BE ENOUGH. 
          YEP. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT WE DID LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR PURCHASING PROPERTIES AS WELL. 
          KIND OF WHAT AREAS WOULD WE SEE A NEW TOWN CENTER IN AND CURRENTLY WE WERE LOOKING AT THE UH, JUST SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BUILDING WOULD FUNCTION. 
          WE COULD MEET ALL THE RESTRICTIONS OF BEING NEXT TO THE AIRPORT AND THEN ALS THAT WOULD ALSO BRIDGE US FROM UH, LINDBURG TO BELTLINE AND CREATE A GREAT TRAFFIC FLOW FOR PEOPLE COMING TO THE NEW TOWN CENTER. 
          INWOOD BEVERAGE DISTRICT IS ALSO ANOTHER PLACE FOR REVITALIZATION THAT MAYBE A TOWN CENTER COULD BE LOCATED AT. 
          IS THAT RESTRICTIVE IN THE HEIGHT THERE? THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS HONESTLY AT A NEW TOWN CENTER THOUGH WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT PROBABLY A TWO-STORY FACILITY. 
          SO, AND DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT ONCE AGAIN THAT FURTHER STUDY AND KIND OF A MASTER PLAN FOR THE EXECUTION WOULD REQUIRE TO SEE IF IT MAYBE NEEDED A PARKING GARAGE, ET CETERA FOR THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT PURCHASED. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY CLEAR DOWN THERE, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE. 
          AGAIN, WE DID A STUDY A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT INWOOD STUFF AND THAT STUDY TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY MUNICIPAL BUILDING AS A CATALYST FOR THAT REDEVELOPMENT OVER THERE AND I YOU CAN GO, YOU CAN GO LIKE SIX, SEVEN STORIES OVER THERE CAUSE IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE GLIDE PATH. 
          YES. 
          OF THE, YEAH AND AND THAT REALLY GOES BACK TO ONCE WE DO A MA UH, COUNT OF ADDISON DECIDES TO GO THAT DIRECTION, A MASTER PLAN CAN BE DONE AND INVESTIGATE P THREE FUNDING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL. 
          IF WE WENT WHEN GREATER THAN TWO STORIES. 
          SO THE CURRENT CONFERENCE CENTER, I'LL JUMP IN, I'LL DROP IN ON THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND TALK TO IT. 
          SO CONFERENCE CENTER, YOU SAY CURRENT USE, SOME OF THAT'S CURRENT AND POTENTIAL USE IN THE CONVERSATION WE WANT TO HAVE AS WELL. 
          SO THINKING INFORMS BOTH IMMEDIATE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE AND ALSO FUTURE DECISIONS. 
          SO YOU MAY BE AWARE, WE OBVIOUSLY THE CENTER'S BEEN VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AT THIS POINT. 
          WE'VE ALREADY MOVED OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND OUR SPECIAL EVENT STAFF OUT TO THE FACILITY. 
          THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING AND PLANS THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER RIGHT NOW IS TO HAVE OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS THERE AFTER WE LEAVE THE TREEHOUSE VERY SOON WE'LL BE AT TOWN HALL, HALL FOR AT LEAST A A TIME AS WE GEAR UP FOR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          WE'RE PUTTING PLANS TOGETHER TO HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS IN THE CONFERENCE ROOMS THERE, HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ROOM. 
          I THINK DEPENDING ON THIS DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE EITHER TEMPORARY OR KIND OF BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION. 
          SO I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO OUR PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR THE CONFERENCE CENTER. 
          THIS IS CERTAINLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THOSE PLANS, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE SEE A, A NICE FACILITY THAT'S GOING UNDERUTILIZED AND A PLACE TO HAVE OUR COUNCIL MEETING. 
          SO IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE FOR US TO DO IT THERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY 
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THE LOCATION IS GOOD AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S OUR THOUGHT PROCESS. 
          I THINK WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN CONTEXT WITH THE, THE LONG-TERM VISION AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          BUT I WANTED TO USE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR IMMEDIATE PLANS FOR THE CONFERENCE CENTER. 
          DOES THE CON UH, GOOD, GOOD POINT THERE. 
          DOES THE CONFERENCE CENTER LEND ITSELF TO GOING UP WITH IT AT ALL? I KNOW SOME, SOME BUILDINGS ARE DESIGN FOUNDATIONALLY TO BE ABLE TO ADD A A LEVEL. 
          IS THAT, DO WE KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE THERE? CURRENTLY IT IS NOT. 
          IT COULD BE INVESTIGATED AND WE CAN STRENGTHEN SOME OF THE MEMBERS THERE TO, TO INCREASE OR TO BUILD POSSIBLY OVER EXPAND. 
          BUT CURRENTLY IT IS NOT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING DESIGN TO NECESSARILY GO VERTICAL ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          AND IT'S ONLY 16,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          YEAH, AND WE LOOKED AT, WE HAD LOOKED AT THAT BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE IN THAT OPEN IN THE PARKING LOT THERE AND GOING PARKING BELOW AND OFFICE CONFERENCE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TOWN HALL OR SOMETHING ABOVE IT CUZ YOU CAN GO CUZ YOU'RE OFF THE SIDE OF THE AIRPORT, YOU CAN GO A NUMBER OF STORIES. 
          SO, BUT THAT CONFERENCE CENTER WAS, WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          RE CONSTRUCT. 
          SO WHAT EXISTING BUILDINGS DID YOU LOOK AT AND HOW THEY MIGHT BE REDEVELOPED FOR USE BY THE TOWN? LIKE PURCHASING AN EXISTING BUILDING NOT OWNED BY THE TOWN ALREADY? THERE WERE SEVERAL, BUT WE LOOKED AT IT MORE AS A PROGRAMMING ASPECT THAT IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING FOR, UM, SPACE SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDS AND LOCATION EASE FOR, FOR RESIDENTS AND STAFF TO DID YOU IDENTIFY ANY THAT WOULD WORK? UH, I EILEEN, I WE DID NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WASN'T PART OF THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE OPTION AND HOPEFULLY THAT WE GET SOME DIRECTIVE FROM THE COUNCIL IF THAT'S A OPTION YOU WANNA PURSUE THEM, WE COULD START WORKING IN THAT GOT IT. 
          OPTION. 
          SO, UH, TO, TO KIND OF JUST EXPAND REALLY QUICKLY AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON IN THE CONFERENCE CENTER, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO MOVE SPECIAL EVENTS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE. 
          THE, UH, CURRENTLY SPECIAL EVENTS IS LOCATED IN THE SERVICE CENTER AND SO THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME RELIEF FOR THE CURRENT DEPARTMENTS IN THAT BUILDING TO HAVE A FEW EXTRA OFFICES IN THE MEANTIME. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IF WE DID CREATE A NEW TOWN CENTER AND SO WE LOOKED AT FOR INSTANCE, TOWN HALL, WOULD WE CONSIDER SELLING IT? WOULD WE CONSIDER USING IT FOR AN, FOR ANOTHER USE FOR THE TOWN AND OR COULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR A NONPROFIT USE AS WELL OF FINANCE? WE PROPOSED SELLING THAT LOCATION AND FOR THE SERVICE CENTER IT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE VERY MINIMAL RENOVATIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO ALLOW PARKS AND REC AND PUBLIC WORKS TO MAINTAIN THAT FACILITY. 
          HOW ABOUT GENERAL SERVICES? GENERAL SERVICES? SO THEY, THEY HAVE A FACILITY FOR REPAIRING THE CAR AND MAINTENANCE THE CAR. 
          YES, THERE'S A GARAGE OVER THERE. 
          SO FLEET FLEETWOOD WOULD REMAIN THERE, CORRECT. 
          AS, AS PART OF THE SERVICE CENTER, BUT WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT THEY DO HAVE SEVERAL OFFICES WITHIN THE NEW TOWN CENTER BASED ON FUNCTIONS OF THE DIRECTOR, ET CETERA. 
          OKAY. 
          I I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, UM, THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL TO SELL THESE BUILDINGS, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU UNDERSTAND SOME OR IDEAS. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FOR CLARIFY, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO, IT WILL COST ARMS AND LACKS, YOU KNOW,  JUST DEPENDS ON HOW BIG IT'S . 
          SO, UH, IN SIMILAR OPTION THREE REALLY WE LOOK AT CONTINUING THE MAINTENANCE OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES. 
          IF WE JUST STAY IN THESE BUILDINGS AND OPERATE THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING, WHAT ARE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? AND SO WE KIND OF WORKED WITH, UH, WITH ROB, THIS ONE HE HELPED OUT QUITE A BIT TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE BUDGETS. 
          AND SO IF WE LOOK AT THE BUDGETS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE CAN SEE THAT THE AVERAGE ANNUAL BUDGET 
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IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ANNUALLY TO MAINTAIN THESE BUILDINGS. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING QUITE A BIT MORE RIGHT NOW JUST WITH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA, TRYING TO KEEP THESE BUILDINGS OPERATING. 
          EVEN WITH THAT THOUGH, THE LAST COLUMN HERE SHOWS IF THEY JUST CAUGHT UP ON WHAT THEY CURRENTLY KNOW, THE DEFICIENCIES OF THE BUILDINGS ARE, AND THIS DOESN'T GO TO ENERGY UPDATES, ET CETERA, THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE RENOVATIONS ADA. 
          CORRECT. 
          THIS IS JUST DEFICIENCIES THAT THEY KNOW NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          THAT IS OUR BUDGET IN THE LAST COLUMN. 
          FOR INSTANCE, POLICE HAS 1.25 MILLION FIRE STATION, ONE AT A LITTLE OVER TWO, ET CETERA. 
          SO REALLY WE NEED TO CONSIDER HOW MUCH MONEY THE TOWN IS SPENDING ANNUALLY TO JUST MAINTAIN THESE FACILITIES AS WELL. 
          SO THIS, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S THE TIPPING POINT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, RIGHT? AND, AND EVERY CITY HAS A DIFFERENT TIPPING POINT. 
          AND SO REALLY WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT ONCE AGAIN HOLISTICALLY. 
          WHAT IS THAT TIPPING POINT? AND REALLY I THINK THIS SHOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          THIS SLIDE BREAKS IT DOWN INTO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR RENOVATIONS FOR THE SAME FACILITIES THAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR NEW BUILDINGS AND WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR A STATUS QUO OPERATION AND, AND JUST MAINTAINING WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          BUT IF WE LOOK AT REALLY MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE BUILDINGS, YOU CAN SEE WHY IT'S JUSTIFIED FOR A POSSIBLE NEW POLICE STATION AND A NEW FIRE STATION. 
          YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, MOST CITIES, ANYTHING OVER 40%, THEY, THEY WOULD DECIDE, YOU KNOW, FOR A NEW FACILITY BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO CONSIDERING THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE EXISTING FACILITIES IN AN ADDITIONAL 10 YEARS. 
          WELL IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE STATUS QUO, YOU KNOW, THE STATUS QUO NUMBERS ARE FAR SMALLER THAN, THAN EITHER OF THE OTHER OPTIONS. 
          SO YOU CAN'T REALLY LOOK AT IT FROM A APPLES TO APPLES PERSPECTIVE. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THE OTHER THING WE'RE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION JUST ON JUST, YOU KNOW, ON FIRST LOOK IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT A TOWN CENTER REVITALIZATION WOULD HAVE, ESPECIALLY IF IT WORKS IN TANDEM WITH MAYBE THE T O D MAYBE, UM, MAYBE SOMETHING WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME REAL FIREPOWER AND NOT TO MENTION WE'RE NOT, WE'VE, WE'VE NOT EVEN TALKED ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF HAVING ALL THE EMPLOYEES TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND THE PRODUCTIVITY AND YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE GOOGLES AND THE MICROSOFTS AND THE INNOVATORS OF THE, THE, THE COMPANIES THAT ARE INNOVATING AND HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR EMPLOYEES WORK TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, NOT JUST THOSE BIG COMPANIES. 
          YOU'VE GOT COMPANIES EVEN LOCALLY IN THE DFW AREA THAT ARE DOING THIS. 
          AND IF WE WERE TO DO THIS IN THE TOWN, WE WOULD SEE AN INCREASE IN, UM, NOT JUST EFFICIENCIES WITH OPERATIONS. 
          WE, WE WOULD POTENTIALLY SEE AN INCREASE IN PRODUCTIVITY. 
          WE WOULD SEE AN INCREASE IN INNOVATION, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR TRAJECTORY FOR THE FUTURE. 
          SO I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST THAT WE ALL, YOU KNOW, TRY TO NOT LOOK AT IT FROM JUST A DOLLARS AND CENTS ON THE SURFACE. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SUSTAINABILITY ASPECT OF IT AND YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE BE GO GREENER, YOU KNOW, AND AND TRANSITIONING TO SOMETHING THAT'S UM, YOU KNOW, MORE STREAMLINED. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THE, THE BIG WIN WOULD BE, UH, JUST THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION ASPECT. 
          UH, AND THAT THAT, UM, I KNOW IT'S GOT A BIGGER PRICE TO HAVE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT ON THE SURFACE, BUT DOES IT REALLY CONSIDERING IT'S A, IT'S IT'S A LONG-TERM PROPOSITION. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          YOU KNOW, OPTION THREE, MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO IS ANNUAL EXPENSES JUST BY KEEPING IT. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU ROUGHLY ADDED, IT'S ABOUT $5.25 MILLION. 
          I JUST CALCULATED WITH 
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MY, MY, SO IT'S ANNUAL COMPARED, IT'S GOING TO BE REPEAT EVERY YEAR. 
          SO FOR LONG RUN, YOU PROBABLY CONSIDER OPTION TWO BECAUSE EVEN YOU WANT TO RENOVATE THE POLICE STATION, IT STILL COST THAT MUCH. 
          BUT ALSO DURING THE RENOVATION FOR THE PRESCHOOLS. 
          SO AS FOR THE, FOR THE, SHE SUGGESTED IS FINAL LOCATION BUILD A NEW PRET STATION, THEN AFTER IT ALL DONE, THEN DEMOLISHED THE OLD PRE STATION, THEN EXPAND THE FIRE STATION, SEE WITHOUT ANY INTERRUPTION. 
          SEE THE DIFFERENCE IS 20 MILLION VERSUS 25 JUST ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ONLY 5 MILLION DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT YOU GOT A BRAND NEW FACILITIES WITH THE BRAND NEW UNDERGROUND PLUMBING DRILL, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY WORTH OF MAINTENANCE. 
          YEAH, IT IS BETTER THAN EASIER FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE OTHER THING IS I THINK KEEP ALL THE STAFF TOGETHER IS ALWAYS BETTER. 
          SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MORE UNITY, NOT JUST THE EFFICIENCY, MORE TEAM, BETTER TEAMWORK. 
          SO I THINK HAVING, I AGREE MAYOR, I THINK HAVING STAFF TOGETHER IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          THE OTHER SENSE IS THEY WILL BEHAVE MORE TOO. 
          BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF POLICE AND FIRE BEING TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN CENTER RATHER THAN HAVING THREE, ACTUALLY FOUR FACILITIES TO PUT ALL OF THAT INTO ONE LOCATION. 
          WE NEED TO FIND OUT AT LARGEST SPACE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THAT'S THE CASE. 
          WELL THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, IS THERE A PROPERTY THAT WE COULD PURCHASE IN TOWN AND RENOVATE IT? IS THAT DOABLE? AND THAT WAS, SO ON THE SLIDE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT ACQUISITION, THAT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT IS IF WE GET, IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, COULD WE FIND A BUILDING? AND I THINK THERE ARE OFFICE BUILDINGS OUT THERE THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT ARE LARGE ENOUGH THAT HAVE THAT KIND OF BIFURCATION. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POLICE DEPARTMENT THING. 
          I THINK FIRE STATION PROBABLY IS GONNA BE RIGHT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE, THERE COULD BE OPTIONS OUT. 
          IT COULD HAVE KNOCK ON EFFECTS, BUT YES, I THINK IF WE GOT DIRECTION, I GET, AND ALSO I'LL TOUCH ON THE POINT, I THINK THE GOAL WITH THAT TABLE WAS TO JUST PUT THE DOLLAR AND CENTS. 
          BUT WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE IS THIS CONVERSATION OF WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES AND WHAT DO WE NEED. 
          I THINK WE HAVE IMMEDIATE NEEDS. 
          I THINK THE POLICE STATION IS AN, IS A NEED THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. 
          BUT IF WE CAN ADDRESS IT WITH OTHER PRIORITIES AS WE LOOK AT, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR AND START THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S ALL ON THE TABLE AS FAR AS WE'RE GONNA DO NEW TOWN CENTER TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO DO A POLICE STATION WITH IT IF IT MADE SENSE. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SAYING START WITH THE NEW POLICE STATION FIRST, THEN THE FIRE STATION IN THE MEANTIME YOU'LL FIND A PLACE FOR TOWN CENTRAL. 
          IT'S HARD TO PUT FIVE DEPARTMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT TOGETHER WITH WITH TOWN TOWN. 
          I CAN IMAGINE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CITY, GOT A THREE DEPARTMENT TOGETHER. 
          SO IT IS JUST, THEY'RE ALWAYS ON THE RUN. 
          ALSO. 
          THEY HAVE SO MANY POLICE CARS, FIRE ENGINE IS LOUD, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PRACTICAL. 
          I HAVE A A CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR YES. 
          CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 37? IT'S 37 OR 57 RIGHT THERE. 
          SO THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE SAME COLUMN AS THE SUMMARY. 
          SO THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT HAND A ONE TIME COST, IT'S NOT AN ANNUAL COST, RIGHT? SO THE MIDDLE COLUMN IS, IS A ANNUAL COST. 
          SO IT'S NOT QUITE APPLES TO APPLES ON THAT SLIDE. 
          I MEAN I JUST WANT TO, CAUSE I CONSIDER THIS FOR WHAT THE COSTS ARE OVER THE TIMEFRAME. 
          NO, THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          RIGHT? SO IF YOU GO BACK TO 39, SLIDE 39, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY TOM? YEAH, IT'S, I MEAN DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE THAT THE 5 MILLION IN HAS A BUNCH OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON A LOT OF THAT STUFF. 
          SO THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. 
          IT'S CLOSER TO THAT SECOND COLUMN LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S STILL GONNA BE MORE THAN A PROBABLY A NEW FACILITY. 
          I WOULD SAY THE ONLY, MY OTHER COMMENTS ARE YOU'RE AT FIRE TYPICALLY ISN'T WITH THE TOWN HALL. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          POLICE SOMETIMES IS, I DON'T SEE THE SERVICE CENTER JUST KNOWING WHAT THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, STUFF. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE SEPARATE TOO. 
          YES. 
          THEN I'M TRYING TO, THEN I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR HUNDRED TO HUNDRED 20,000 SQUARE FEET FOR A, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE? SO THE CALCULATION CAME FROM MEETING WITH EACH DIRECTOR AND SEEING WHAT THEIR CURRENT NEEDS WERE AND 
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ALSO ALLOWING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE FOR CIRCULATION. 
          AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT FUTURE GROWTH SPACE, WHAT DO WE HAVE NOW? I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE KEEPING, IF WE'RE KEEPING PARKS AND UTILITIES AT THE SERVICE CENTER, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE A SEPARATE POLICE BUILDING RIGHT IN THE FIRE, WE HAVE A SEPARATE FIRE BUILDING AND WE'RE COMBINING FINANCE CITY HALL, THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADD UP TO SQUARE FOOT. 
          I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE NEED MORE SPACE, BUT THERE'S NO WAY WE HAVE 120,000 SQUARE FEET EVEN CLOSE TO THAT. 
          RIGHT? WELL, SO IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE FACT THAT, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE WERE BRINGING COUNCIL BACK TO THE CITY CENTER TO THE, TO THE TOWN CENTER, THAT IS, THAT IS INCREASED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR LET'S SAY ROUGHLY, AND I'LL JUST BALLPARK THIS AT RIGHT NOW, I'D HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THE FULL REPORT, BUT SOMETHING, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE FIVE TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET THOUGH. 
          BECAUSE IN REALITY WE WANNA SEPARATE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND HAVE A PRIVATE ENTRANCE FOR THEM, BREAKOUT SPACES FOR THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION, SPACES FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT'S AN INCREASED SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT CURRENTLY WE'RE NOW GOING TO TAKE AND PUT OVER INTO TO THE CONFERENCE CENTER. 
          PLUS WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SEATING FOR RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME TO COUNCIL. 
          SO WE NEED YOU, YOU KNOW, MORE SPACE FOR, WE NEED A LOT MORE SPACE. 
          YEAH. 
          MY, MY POINT WAS, YEAH, BUT YOU, MY POINT WAS, IS MORE OF, OKAY, I, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THAT CONFERENCE CENTER NOW WE'RE MOVING A BUNCH OF FUNCTIONS IN THERE NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IF WE NEED A NEW FIRE STATION ON A POLICE STATION AND A FIRE STATION, THE TOWN CENTER, ALL I'M SAYING IS IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO, WE KEEP THE SERVICE CENTER. 
          THAT TOWN CENTER DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT SIZE. 
          60. 
          WELL, I THINK I'D WANT TO SEE THE NUMBERS ON THAT. 
          THAT, THAT DOES SOUND LARGE, BUT REMEMBER THERE'S NO, YOU DO A MODERN COUNCIL CHAMBER LATELY IN ANY TOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          LOOK AT ALL OUR TOWNS AND YOU SEE THEM. 
          THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER. 
          THEY'RE TECHNOLOGICAL STAGES NOW. 
          AND THAT'S THAT ALONE, IT'S GONNA TAKE A BLOW. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO OTHER CITIES, CITY HALL, YOU GOT A SCANNER, WALKING, MAKE SURE NO HAVE NO WEAPON, NO METAL WALKING, COUPLE POLICE STANDING RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BACK THERE. 
          . 
          HE'S RIGHT BACK HERE. 
          . 
          I KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, THEN YOU GOT MORE HUNDRED SEATS FOR AUDIENCE, YOU KNOW, THERE WITH A DIFFERENT LEVEL, LIKE, LIKE A STUDIO, LIKE, UH, YEAH. 
          SO DIFFERENT ELEVATION. 
          HOW MANY SEATS DO WE HAVE NOW? YOU CAN COME IN THE CHAMBERS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          30 YOU'RE LUCKY. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MENTION THOUGH, ALSO THAT A HUNDRED TO HUNDRED 20, WE DID LOOK AT HAVING PD AS PART OF IT. 
          HOWEVER, IT WOULDN'T BE, WE WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE JAIL WITH THAT. 
          WE WOULD STILL OUTSOURCE. 
          WELL, CURRENTLY IT IS BEING OUTSOURCED. 
          BUT IF JUST MENTIONING IF WE DID A NEW PD FACILITY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT A MASTER PLAN IN FURTHER INVESTIGATION WOULD LOOK AT A FUTURE OF ADDISON. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO BRING BACK IF THEY HAD THE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE IT IN A NEW FACILITY? UH, I SO WHAT ABOUT THE COURTS? WELL, TELL US ABOUT THE TRENDS WITH THE COURTS NOW SEPARATING THAT FROM THE, FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE, WE WOULD KEEP THE COURTS WITH POLICE. 
          YEAH. 
          REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT GOES. 
          NOW, WE MAY NEED LESS SPACE IN THE FUTURE AS THINGS BECOME MORE VIRTUAL, BUT WE KEEP COURTS, ANY, ANY OF THESE OPTIONS WOULD KEEP PORTS WITH, THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS. 
          YOU CAN HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIO HOW TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I WOULD JUST USE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, UM, I THINK OBVIOUSLY ALL GOOD QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, I, I JUST DON'T WANNA GET TOO TIED UP ON THE DETAIL OF THE NUMBERS. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS VERY PRETTY PRELIMINARY. 
          PRELIMINARY. 
          EVEN THE HUNDRED THOUSAND I THINK. 
          YEAH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND PROBABLY IS A POLICE STATION THERE TOO. 
          IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU CAN PROBABLY COME DOWN AT JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. 
          BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW KIND OF THE EXTENT OF IT TO GIVE SOME IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE. 
          I'D SAY THE SAME THING WITH THE MAINTENANCE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET TOO PRECISE, BUT WE WANNA GET YOUR FEEDBACK SO THAT WE CAN START CLEARING. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU SAY, HEY, WE WANT A POLICE STATION IN A FEW YEARS IN A FIRE STATION DOWN THE ROAD, WE'LL NEED TO START THINKING WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM A FINANCING STANDPOINT, FROM A PUBLIC INPUT STANDPOINT. 
          IF YOU SAY YOU WANT A TOWN HALL CONSOLIDATED, WE'LL WE NEED TO START GETTING THOSE TOGETHER. 
          AND SO THIS IS A GREAT CONVERSATION. 
          I JUST WANNA KIND OF GIVE THAT CONTEXT TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          I LIKE THE STAGING OR PHASING 
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THAT ERICA BROUGHT UP OF LEVERAGING THE, THE, THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE, REDUCING THE COSTS OF MOVING, UH, UH, FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE NEXT AND THEN GOING ON TO THE NEXT PHASE. 
          I I THINK THAT'S SMART IF WE HAVE THAT LAND AVAILABLE. 
          EIGHT FOUR PROPERTY, I SHOULD SAY. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          SO TO, TO THAT POINT, THANK YOU FOR JUST KIND OF LIKE PRETTY MUCH, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS IN, RIGHT NOW THAT WE KNOW THE NEEDS OF DEPARTMENTS, CAN WE DETERMINE THE DIRECTION TO PROCEED WITH, WITH EITHER OPTION 1, 2, 3, AND OR A COMBINATION, YOU KNOW, DO WELL, I PERSONALLY PREFER OPTION TWO FOR LONG RANGE PLANNING. 
          FOR LONG TERM. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST PLANNING AND UH, FOR THE GROWTH OF FUTURE OF EDISON, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU RENOVATE EXISTING FACILITY, YOU KNOW, THE UNDERGROUND PLUMBING STUFF NORMALLY IS THE HARDEST THING. 
          YOU KNOW, EVEN ANY, UH, AGED HOUSE HOMES THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, SO YOUR STUFF ARE BRAND NEW. 
          IT CAN LAST 50 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MATERIAL. 
          TODAY. 
          I LIKE A COMBINATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FACILITIES THAT MAKE SENSE, BE IT FIRE STATION TWO OR, OR UH, BE IT, YOU KNOW, THE FACILITIES, UH, THE SERVICE CENTER, MAYBE A, YOU KNOW, REFRESH. 
          UM, BUT I LIKE THE POLICE STATION BEING FIRST AND THEN FIRE AND THEN A TOWN HALL CENTER THAT WOULD CONSOLIDATE A CHUNK OF WHAT MAKES SENSE TO CONSOLIDATE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN SALVAGE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE FOR US TO EXPLORE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT COULD BE SAVED. 
          YEAH, WELL THAT COULD BE PURCHASED AND, AND MADE WHERE WE COULD MOVE EVERYBODY IN TOGETHER SO WE GET THOSE SYNERGIES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND MAYBE DON'T HAVE A $60 MILLION PRICE TAG. 
          YEAH, IT CAN BE DONE. 
          ACTUALLY, THERE ARE WAYS TO DO, ACTUALLY YOU CAN BUY AN EXISTING BUILDING. 
          YEP. 
          ENOUGH SPACE CAN STORY ENOUGH SPACE TO HOME ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, ENOUGH PARKING FOR THAT. 
          JUST EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT CAN BE THAT EDISON HAS A LOT OF BUILDING. 
          WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A GOOD NEGOTIATION. 
          FIND A GOOD DEAL. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE GOT TIME. 
          ERICA, ON THE CENTRALIZATION OR THE LOCATION, UM, WHERE, WHERE WERE YOU THINKING AS FAR AS, UM, A TOWN CENTER? UH, WE DON'T WANT IT IN THE EDGE AS I WOULD SUSPECT, UM, OF THE TOWN. 
          I WE'RE NOT THAT LARGE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          IF FOR INSTANCE, IF A NEW LOCATION WAS TO BE PURCHASED, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT WITH AN EXISTING PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT DOES HAVE QUITE A FEW CONSTRAINTS BEING JUST SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT, UM, THAT WE COULD REALLY INVESTIGATE. 
          ONCE AGAIN, BRIDGING LINDBERG, MAYBE FOR RESIDENT ACCESS. 
          AND THEN IF LOOKING FOR P THREE FUNDING TO ASSIST WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, BULLET 0.3, DETERMINING FUNDING SOLUTIONS, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE DIRECTION THAT IS DECIDED, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIDGE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC OFF OF BELTLINE AS WELL FOR OPTIONS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DALLAS WATER UTILITY ? YES. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          BUT PARTNERING WITH AN CITY OF DALLAS TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OPTION, BUT I, I WOULD AGREE. 
          I THINK IT TAKES AN INVESTIGATION INTO SOME OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES AS WELL THAT ADDISON HAS TO OFFER THAT COULD FUNCTION, UM, FOR THE TOWN CENTER NEEDS. 
          UH, AND YOU ELIMINATE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE SHELL. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WILL BE SOME RENOVATIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE SHELL STILL TO GIVE IT A PRESENCE OF A MUNICIPALITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE OVERALL STRUCTURE COULD 
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BE IN PLACE. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD SUGGEST A SEPARATE DIRECTION OF A STUDY JUST FOR THAT. 
          IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION TOWN OF ADDISON WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THOUGH. 
          THIS, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE DECISION TODAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SINCE WE STILL NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT, UM, WITH OTHER STAFF WORKING TOGETHER PROBABLY IS THE BEST AND THE PLACE AND THE FIRE DEPENDS ON THE SITE, BUT THE, IT CAN BE TOGETHER OR NOT IS SECONDARY, BUT I THINK ALL THE OTHER STAFF SHOULD BE TOGETHER. 
          I, I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS FEEDBACK AND I, AND I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ADD ONE THING AS FAR AS IF WE WERE GONNA GO WITH THE ACQUISITION. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO JUST PINPOINT EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE WANNA GO. 
          BUT THERE IS A LOT OF OFFICE SPACE RIGHT NOW AS WE KNOW, AS WE TALKED ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE, THAT OFFICE SPACE IS IN A INTERESTING TIME RIGHT NOW AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH IT? SO THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME UP, I WOULD SAY, I THINK WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY AND THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE AS A STEPS FORWARD. 
          BECAUSE THIS CERTAINLY COULD BE A BOND COMMITTEE, A BOND CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LARGER DOLLARS FOR WHAT WE WANNA DO. 
          AND IF THAT'S GONNA BE A DIRECTION WE GO, WE WANNA GET THAT STARTED. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS DIRECTION, COME BACK AND THEN START TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS CONVERSATION. 
          REALLY THIS YEAR IS LONG PROCESS TO GET HERE. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO LAY OUT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AND JUST BE REALISTIC ABOUT THEM AFTER THOSE, THOSE OPTIONS. 
          SO THIS IS CERTAINLY PRODUCTIVE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY MORE QUESTION? THANK YOU ERICA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU DID A GREAT JOB. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          EVEN YOUR, YOUR JOB. 
          YOU'LL QUIT YOUR JOB. 
          YOU'RE STILL KEVIN . 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          [ Announcements and Acknowledgments Regarding Town and Council Events and Activities Discussion of Meetings / Events]
ALRIGHT, UH, I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR CITY MANAGER, UH, DAVID GIZ TO UH, UH, GIVE US AN UPDATE, MAKE SOME ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          UH, WANT TO ANNOUNCE THE TOWN, UH, TOWN MEETING NEXT MONDAY? SO THE BASKETBALL FAN RECORD THE GAME . 
          MAKE IT OUT. 
          UH, SO I ASK YOU TO JOIN THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY, MAY 3RD AT 7:00 PM AT THE ADDISON CONFERENCE CENTER FOR THE SPRINGTOWN MEETING. 
          COME LEARN ABOUT OUR, UH, ABOUT ADDISON AND HEAR UPDATES ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND TOWN. 
          UH, DART WE, THERE'S A, UH, ANOTHER DART MEETING TOMORROW, TOMORROW MORNING AT NINE 30. 
          ARCHER WESTERN HERZOG IS HOSTING A CONSTRUCTION UPDATE BREAKFAST AT ADDISON CIRCLE PARK PAVILION TOMORROW MORNING AT NINE 30. 
          LIKE I SAID, UH, THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT AND UPCOMING CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE PROJECT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE CO-WORKING DAY AT THE PARK COMING UP. 
          CO-WORKING DAY AT THE PARK IS BACK IN ADDISON CIRCLE PARK ON THURSDAY, APRIL 6TH FROM 8:00 AM TO 4:00 PM CHANGE YOUR CHANGE UP YOUR DAILY WORK ROUTINE AND MEET UNDER ADDISON CIRCLE PAVILION FOR FREE WIFI, COMPLIMENTARY COFFEE AND RUTHIE'S FOOD TRUCK DURING LUNCH. 
          MAYOR, DID YOU MENTION I DID NOT EASTER HUNT ON SATURDAY EXTRAVAGANT, UH, SATURDAY MORNING. 
          WHAT CAR AT 10 LOT SPARK. 
          10 O'CLOCK. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY? ALRIGHT, UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, 
          [ Public Comment The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to public hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda.  The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.]
I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I HAVE TWO GENTLEMEN, SON THE CAR AND EACH ONE OF YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND, UH, GO TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND RYAN BARRETT AND JASON HO. 
          SO YOU EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          BEFORE, BEFORE YOU START. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE A SIGN WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE AT WITH OUR CURRENT SHE HAVE A SIGN. 
          SORRY. 
          SHE HAVE A SIGN WITH OUR PRESENTATION IN THE WORK SESSION PRESENTATION ON THE CARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          EVENING, MAYOR CHOW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND GUESTS. 
          MY NAME IS RYAN BARNETT AND I'M THE OWNER OF ELEVATED FOODS LLC, A TEXAS LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY AND A LICENSED CANNABIS MANUFACTURING FACILITY. 
          TODAY I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT A TOPIC THAT HAS LONG BEEN A HOT BUTTON ISSUE, CANNABIS AND HEMP PRODUCTS IN PARTICULAR. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE DALLAS REGGAE FEST, AN AMAZING EVENT THAT HAS BEEN GROWING IN POPULARITY SINCE ITS LAUNCHED LAST YEAR. 
          DESPITE ITS SUCCESS, THERE'S ONE BIG PROBLEM WITH FESTIVAL THIS YEAR, THE CITY OF ADDISON'S ILLEGAL POLICY ON CANNABIS AND HEMP PRODUCTS. 
          AS MY GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATES ALONG WITH THE NUMEROUS EMAILS, ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN COPIED ON, THIS POLICY IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF MULTIPLE TEXAS STATUTES AND CODES. 
          SECTION 
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4 43 0.003. 
          LOCAL REGULATION PROHIBITED. 
          A MUNICIPALITY, COUNTY, OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT ENACT, ADOPT, OR ENFORCE A RULE, ORDINANCE, ORDER RESOLUTION OR OTHER REGULATION THAT PROHIBITS THE PROCESSING OF HEMP OR THE MANUFACTURING OR SALE TO THE CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCT AS AUTHORIZED BY THIS CHAPTER, AS WE ARE ALL AWARE, THE CANNABIS INDUSTRY HAS BEEN GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS IN RECENT YEARS. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT GETTING HIGH ANYMORE. 
          IN FACT, CANNABIS AND HEMP PRODUCTS HAVE FOUND THEIR WAY INTO A WIDE RANGE OF MARKETS, FROM FOOD TO BEAUTY PRODUCTS TO CLOTHING, YET MANY PLACES, INCLUDING ADDISON, THESE PRODUCTS ARE STILL MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          THIS IS A PROBLEM, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS LIKE THE DALLAS REGGAE FEST. 
          THIS FESTIVAL ATTRACTS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE METROPLEX. 
          MANY ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANCE TO ENJOY SOME OF THE AMAZING CANNABIS PRODUCTS AND HEMP PRODUCTS THAT ARE NOW AVAILABLE ON THE LEGAL MARKET. 
          YET BECAUSE OF ADDISON'S ILLEGAL POLICY, THEY'LL BE UNABLE TO DO SO. 
          EVERYTHING I SELL IS 100% LEGAL, BOTH ON FEDERAL AND STATE LEVELS. 
          FRANKLY, IT IS EXHAUSTING DEALING WITH, WITH OFFICIALS, POLICE AND SELF-APPOINTED CITIZENS WHO REQUIRE EDUCATION AND SELDOM LISTEN TO FACTS AND UPDATED LEGISLATION REGARDING THIS INDUSTRY. 
          IT'S TIME FOR THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL TO ACT TO REVERSE THIS ILLEGAL POLICY THAT IS ACTIVELY HARMING SMALL BUSINESSES IN NORTH TEXAS. 
          IT'S NOT TOO LATE. 
          REGGAE FEST IS NINE DAYS AWAY. 
          AND WHILE MANY BUSINESSES SUCH AS MINE WILL STILL SUFFER HARM FROM YOUR ILLEGAL ACTIONS, YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIMIT THAT DAMAGE AND HARM. 
          I INSTRUCT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE TO PRIORITIZE THE ISSUANCE OF PERMITS, WAIVE ANY FEES ASSOCIATED FOR THE BUSINESSES AFFECTED AND CORRECT THIS MISTAKE. 
          IN CONCLUSION, I URGE THE CI, THE ADDISON CITY COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THIS POLICY ON CANNABIS AND HEMP PRODUCTS TO ALLOW THESE PRODUCTS TO BE SOLD AT THE DALLAS REGGAE FESTIVAL. 
          DOING SO IS NOT ONLY THE CORRECT THING, IT'S THE LAW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AS WELL. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          MY NAME IS JASON HOR AND THANK YOU FOR PRONOUNCING IT CORRECTLY. 
          IT'S, UH, H O A R THOUGH. 
          NO, NO. 
          W CARD . 
          AND I CAME HERE IN SUPPORT OF RYAN AND WILL ECHO WHAT HE SHARES. 
          ALTHOUGH I MUST SAY THAT I ENJOYED THIS MEETING. 
          ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT FOR BATTERY AND SOLAR PANEL MANUFACTURER HERE IN THE US AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, INVOLVING THE KIDS LOOK A HUNDRED YEARS AHEAD, INCORPORATE ALL THESE EFFICIENCIES, TRANSPORTATION, WATER, PURIFICATION, ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS. 
          YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS REALLY, UH, ENCOURAGING TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY THERE. 
          UH, BUT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE HEMP INDUSTRY SINCE 1997 AND HAVE WATCHED PEOPLE USE THIS CBD PRODUCT, UH, OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO SLEEP, TO HAVE GOOD LONG HEALTH. 
          I'VE BEEN USING IT MYSELF, ALMOST 50, NOT THERE YET. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK THAT, UH, FOR YOU ALL TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, LOOK AT THE HISTORY, LOOK AT THE BENEFITS, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, AS RYAN CITED, DIDN'T LOOK AT THE LAW BECAUSE YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW. 
          AND HAVING BEEN PART OF THIS INDUSTRY FOR SO LONG, I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED TO HEAR A CITY SO PROGRESSIVE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE BE SO BACKWARDS IN THIS TOPIC RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHANGE YOUR MIND REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE THIS IS COMING UP. 
          UM, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT ADDISON IN ALL THE GOOD WAYS THAT YOU'RE GROWING AND NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BRING A LOT OF FOLKS TO CHANGE ANOTHER LAW. 
          BUT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JASON. 
          ALL 
          [ Consent Agenda All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]
RIGHT. 
          UH, I HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ITEM THREE TO 10, ANYTHING NEED TO BEED BY COUNSEL UNDER MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEMS THREE, TWO TEN THREE THROUGH TEN SECOND. 
          SO MOTION BY LORI WARD AND THE SECOND BY A RESNICK TO APPROVE ITEM THREE THROUGH HIM. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [11.  Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on a Resolution Approving the Installation of a Public Art Piece Created by Artist Pascale Pryor to be Located at the Vitruvian Park Amphitheatre.]
ITEM 11, PRESENT. 
          DISCUSS A CONSIDERING ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE INSTALLATION OF THE PUBLIC ART. 
          HE IS CREATED BY ARTIST PASCO CHOIR TO BE LOCATED AT CHU PARK MV THEATER. 
          JAY, BARBARA? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I'M JAY ARBOR FOUNDATION. 
          THIS IS BARBARA PAPPAS, WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT, AND WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND DEMONSTRATE A NOT A NEW PIECE OF ART THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO PUT IN AT THE TRUK. 
          AND JAN, IF I COULD GET YOU TO GO, UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, FOR EVERYONE'S APPLICATION. 
          THIS IS THE 
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AMPHITHEATER THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE LAKE. 
          IT IS KIND IN THE CENTER BY FIORI AND THE  BUILDINGS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          I'M TRYING TO THANK YOU. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          . 
          THERE IT'S . 
          USE YOUR IMAGINATION. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          YES, THERE WE GO. 
          THIS IS, UH, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS THE COMMISSIONED, UH, ART PIECE BY PASCAL PRYOR. 
          UM, LET'S MUST HAVE LET YOU WHILE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PIECE OF HER ART OVER AT BOSCA PARK. 
          UH, IT'S UH, CALLED EGG MARINE AND IT IS A CORIN STEEL AND STAINED GLASS KIND OF FLAME LOOKING, UH, PIECE. 
          SIMILAR CONCEPT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FISH. 
          UH, THE FISH ARE FROM SIX FEET IN LENGTH FOR THE LARGEST FISH. 
          THE OTHER BLUE ONES ARE ABOUT FIVE FEET, AND THE TWO ORANGE ONES ARE ABOUT FOUR, THREE TO FOUR FEET. 
          UH, TO GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF THE SCALE OF THE, OF THE PEAS, THEY WOULD BE MOUNTED ON PIERS IN THE GROUND, UM, IN FRONT OF THE, THE LAKE. 
          AND THEN NEW LANDSCAPING WOULD GO IN TO KIND OF GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY SWIMMING. 
          AND THE PIECES WOULD BE, UH, SAID EARLIER CONSTRUCTED OF CORIN STEEL. 
          THE INLAY WOULD ALL BE STAINED GLASS, VERY MUCH LIKE EGG MARINE. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE 12 IN THE BLUE RANGE. 
          I BELIEVE THERE'S 12, UM, HUES IN THE, IN THE BLUE RANGE THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED IN THE BLUE FISH. 
          SO YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THE FEELING OF FISH SCALES ON, ON THE PIECES. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN IN THE ORANGE TO RED RANGE. 
          AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE SOME YELLOWS AND ORANGES AND REDS TO GIVE THE, THE FEEL THAT IT IS ACTUALLY SHIMMERING. 
          AND JENNIFER CAN GO BACK ONE, WELL, ALMOST . 
          HOW ABOUT THIS? THAT ONE? YEAH, THAT'LL WORK. 
          . 
          AND THESE WERE, UM, A MOCKUP THAT THE ARTISTS HAD ACTUALLY CREATED SO WE COULD GO AND LOOK AT IT ON SITE. 
          AND SO SHE MADE THEM ON MADE AITE AND THOSE WERE ALL PAINTED. 
          THOSE ARE NOT ACTUALLY STAINED GLASS FISH OUT THERE, BUT JUST SO WE COULD GET A FEEL FOR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, POTENTIALLY ON THE, ON THE SIDE. 
          AND THEY LOOK LIKE IT'S A SPOOL OF FISH. 
          YES, IT DOES LOOK LIKE A SPOOL OF FISH . 
          AND ACTUALLY WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE THOUGHT, THIS IS JUST AWESOME. 
          IT'S JUST HAD A VERY GOOD FEEL TO IT. 
          BUT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UH, CLEAR. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU'D HAVE THE WATER REFLECTION. 
          UM, WE ALSO WALK AROUND TO SEE THE, THE SUNSET WOULD BE ON IT AND THE SUN RISE IN THE MORNING COMING THROUGH IT AND THE REFLECTION OFF THE GLASS OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          SO WE'D ACTUALLY GET A GOOD HANDLE OF VIEWING IT. 
          AND THIS LOOKS LIKE THE BEST POSSIBLE LOCATION FOR IT. 
          AND, AND YOU CAN SEE IT AS YOU WALK AROUND. 
          YES. 
          SEE IT. 
          SO IF YOU WALK AROUND THE, THE TRAIL, YOU CAN SEE THE PIECE FROM ALL DIRECTIONS. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          JUST, JUST WONDER, ARE YOU STABILIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN INSTALL IT AND IS SOMEBODY WANTED TO VANDALIZE IT WOULD, WOULD BE A TROUBLE. 
          IT, IT COULD HAPPEN TO ANY OF THE PIECES, RIGHT? SO, SO ORIGINALLY IF YOU PUT IT INSIDE THE WATER, MAYBE IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO REACH , BUT RIGHT ON THE EDGE, THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          CAN I, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          JANET TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, UM, WHEN THIS ARTIST INSTALLED HER FIRST PIECE AT BOK PARK, UM, WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS WITH HER WHERE SHE PROVIDED A SAMPLES OF GLASS AND PROVIDED US THE THICKNESS. 
          AND WE EVEN DID SOME TESTS  TO SEE IF WE COULD CRACK THE GLASS. 
          AND WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE OF THE THICKNESS, THAT IF SOMEBODY TRIES TO VANDALIZE IT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE CHIP OF GLASS OUT OF THE PIECE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO RUIN THE LOOK. 
          UM, IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT'S SO THICK, IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD FOR IT TO SHATTER. 
          AND SO WE HAD A HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD ENDURE PUBLIC USE. 
          UM, NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS CAN'T GO WRONG, BUT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, RIGHT? WE FELT LIKE IT WAS AS DURABLE AS THE METAL PIECES THAT ARE INSTALLED IN TOWN. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          IT'S, UH, SIX FEET, FOUR FEET, FIVE FEET, FOUR FEET, SIX FEET. 
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OH, AND THE LAST ONE BE FOUR FEET IS YEAH, SHOULD BE SIX FOUR. 
          FIVE FIVE. 
          FOUR. 
          FOUR AND FIVE. 
          FIVE. 
          OH, THE LAST ONE IS FIVE. 
          IT'S ONLY ONE. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE SIX. 
          ONE SIX. 
          IS THERE TWO? IT'S SIX. 
          SHOULD IT BE TWO? TWO SIX? I, I APOLOGIZE. 
          MARY, TWO, SIX ON FOUR AND FIVE. 
          YEAH, THERE WE GO. 
          SO JANET, I LOVE IT. 
          IT LOOKS SO COOL. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THERE ARE SPECIAL EVENTS OVER THERE AND THAT STAGE AREA IS SET UP, HOW WILL THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT? HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, VERY INTERESTING. 
          WHEN WE MET THE ARTISTS THE FIRST TIME WHEN SHE DID A MOCKUP FOR US, WE WENT TO SITE AND THE STAGE WAS SET UP FOR CARIBBEAN LIGHTS. 
          AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE STAGE. 
          THE FISH ARE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PEEK ABOVE THE BACK OF THE STAGE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE HAD DECIDED IS IT DIDN'T IMPACT THE STAGE FROM BEING SET UP. 
          UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE TEMPORARILY BLOCKED FOR THE FEW EVENTS THAT WE DO HAVE A YEAR, BUT IF YOU GO AROUND TO THE ISLAND, YOU CAN STILL SEE THE FISH. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT FOR A FEW DAYS A YEAR, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE 'EM WHEN THIS FISH IS SET UP. 
          WE ALSO ENGAGED UDR, UM, IN THIS PROCESS AND MADE SURE BECAUSE THEY FACILITATE EVENTS IN THIS PARK AND MADE SURE THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS AND THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE ARTWORK BEING INSTALLED. 
          SO WE CAN JUST LITTLE SANTA HATS ON AT CHRISTMAS TIME AND WE'LL BE DONE. 
          SURE. 
          YOU GO, THERE WE GO. 
          . 
          IT'S AMAZING HOW, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE ANIMAL ART REALLY ACTIVATES THE SPACE AND KIND OF, IT ALMOST FUNCTIONS AS A PLACEMAKING, UM, WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO PROGRAM THE SPACE BECAUSE IT, IT, IT CAUSES PEOPLE TO GO TO IT, TAKE PHOTOS, YOU KNOW, UM, USE IT AS A LANDMARK WAYFINDING. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, THAT ACTUALLY WERE THERE WHEN WE PUT UP THE, AND WERE LOOKING AT IT AND THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY REAL. 
          , UHHUH, , UHHUH, . 
          IT WAS THAT BEAUTIFUL. 
          IT JUST SPARKS CONVERSATION. 
          IT CAUSES, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND PASCAL IS, UH, JUST A CLASS A ARTIST AND, AND, UH, WHAT A NEAT THING TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE OF HER WORK IN ADDISON. 
          SO THERE'S A DEAL TUR TERMINOLOGY IS WHEREVER THEY HAVE A PARTY THERE ON THURSDAY, SO ALL YOU NEED TO SAY IS THE GO FISHING. 
           FISHING. 
          SO JAY, THE YES DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE, UH, LIFE SCIENCE. 
          CAUSE SIX FOOT SEEMS LIKE, OH NO, THESE ARE NOT LIFE. 
          THESE ARE, YEAH, BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST BIG SIX AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE FIVE FEET OFF THE GROUND AT, AT THE TOP ANYMORE. 
          NOT QUITE THAT. 
          WELL IT'S, IT'S 20 SOMETHING INCHES OFF THE GROUND, 29 INCHES FROM THE GROUND FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE FISH. 
          AND THEN IT'S ANOTHER, YEAH, SO IT'S ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE FEET AT THE TOP. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE BIGGER THAN WHAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          PROMINENT. 
          AND THE THING IS, WE LOOKED AT THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, THAT ARE EXISTING. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT, UM, SEVO AND FIORI AND KIND OF GOT AN ANGLE TO MAKE SURE THAT SIZE-WISE THEY DIDN'T GET LOST. 
          AND ALSO THAT IT DID HAVE PRESENCE IN THE AMPHITHEATER SO YOU COULD SEE IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS NOTICING IS, IS THE PRESENCE IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU SEE. 
          IT, IT IS A BIGGER AREA. 
          SO I THINK IT FITS. 
          I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          IT, IT WILL LOOK NICE. 
          IT WILL, IF IT IS SMALLER THAN THAT MAY SHOW. 
          GREAT JOB. 
          DO YOU HAVE MOTION? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          A MOTION FOR A ICK SECOND FROM TOM BROWN. 
          AYE, IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU J AND BARBARA. 
          YOU BOTH DID A GREAT JOB. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE EDISON, SO FISH DEPENDS ON WHERE YOUR , I MEAN, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SCALE OBJECTS IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          [12.  Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Granting a Meritorious Exception to Chapter 62 of the Code of Ordinances for Sweetgreen and Postino, Located at 5280 Belt Line Road, to Allow the Conversion of an Existing Single-Tenant Detached Pole Sign to a Multi-Tenant Detached Pole Sign by Allowing a Reduction of the Required Height, Effective Area, Sign Cabinet Dimensions, Sign Supports, and Setbacks for a Multi-Tenant Detached Pole Sign. (Case MR2023-1/5280 Belt Line Road - Sweetgreen/Postino).]
ITEM 12, PRESENT. 
          DISCUSS CONSIDERED ACTION ON ORDINANCE GRANTING MERITOR EXCEPTION TWO. 
          CHAPTER 62 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR SUITE GREEN AND PASTINO LOCATED AT 52 80 BELINE ROAD TO ALLOW THE CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING SINGLE TENANT DETACHED POLE SIGN TO A MULTI-TENANT DETACHED POLE SIGN BY ALLOWING A REDUCTION OF THE REQUIRED HEIGHT, EFFECTIVELY AREA SIGN, CABINET DIMENSIONS, SIGN SUPPORTS AND SETBACKS FOR A MULTI TENANT DETACHED POLE SIGN. 
          CASE NUMBER M R 2023 DASH 1 52 80. 
          BE ROAD SUITE GREEN AINO. 
          THIS USED TO BE OUR PHOENIX AIR. 
          YES, GO AHEAD. 
          LASTLY, LESLIE KNIGHT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. 
          UH, THIS 
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REQUEST IS FOR A MERITORIOUS, UH, EXCEPTION FOR AN EXISTING SINGLE TENANT POLE SIGN TO BE USED FOR A MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGN AT 52 80 BELTLINE ROAD. 
          UH, WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR SINGLE TENANT POLE SIGNS VERSUS A MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGN. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED POLE SIGN ON SITE TODAY HAS BEEN EXISTING SINCE, UH, APPROXIMATELY THE 1980S AND WAS DEVELOPED WITH THE RESTAURANT. 
          UM, AND VARIOUS OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, OVER TIME HAS BEEN USED FOR SEVERAL SINGLE TENANT RESTAURANTS. 
          AND NOW WE HAVE A SWEET GREEN AND POST DINO OPENING ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE EXISTING SIGN AND JUST SPLIT IT, UH, IN A TOP AND A BOTTOM FOR OF THE SINGLE TENANT POLE SIGN FOR SWEET GREEN AND POST DINO. 
          THIS PARTIC PARTICULAR SIGN IS, UH, DOES NOT MEET OUR MULTI-TENANT SIGN REQUIREMENTS IN SEVERAL ASPECTS. 
          UH, ONE OF THOSE, UH, BEING THE SETBACKS. 
          THIS PARTICULAR SIGN DOES REQUIRE 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE BACK OF CURB. 
          UM, IT'S STAFF'S, UH, BELIEF THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 1980S MEETING THAT SETBACK. 
          HOWEVER, OVER TIME WITH THE CURB LINE SHIFTING, IT NO LONGER MEETS THOSE SETBACKS. 
          SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION FOR THAT. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, THIS SIGN DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED HEIGHT EFFECTIVE AREA OR CABINET DIMENSIONS, UH, OR SIGN SUPPORTS FOR THIS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS ONCE AGAIN PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT WITH SOME SMALL MODIFICATIONS. 
          UM, AS THEM AS BEING REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGN MEETING. 
          THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD LIKELY CAUSE OTHER SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS ON SITE, UM, EITHER THROUGH REMOVING PARKING SPACES, LANDSCAPING, OR, UM, AFFECTING EMERGENCY A ACCESS IF THEY WERE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          THE TOWN HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION, UH, EITHER THROUGH EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES OR UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP. 
          STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THIS PROPOSAL DOES MEET THE DEFINITION OF A, UH, UH, THE CRITERIA FOR A HARDSHIP, EXCUSE ME, THAT SINCE THE SIGN HAS EXISTED SINCE THE 1980S AND WAS DEVELOPED WITH VARIOUS OTHER SITE CONDITIONS, UM, AND THE, THERE'S NOT A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR A MULTI-TENANT POLL SIGN ON SITE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. 
          INTERESTING. 
          YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THERE'S A ELFIN THAT'S ONLY ONE TENANT. 
          SO THE BUILD THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SINGLE SIGN AND IS A SMALLER AND AND LOWER. 
          SO, UH, ALSO DIDN'T, DIDN'T ASK FOR SET AS MUCH AS BEFORE BECAUSE EL PHOENIX WAS THERE FOR PROBABLY 30 YEARS BEFORE THIS. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD GRANT IT. 
          AND THEN, UM, NOW THEY SEPARATED INTO TWO RESTAURANTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SOWE GREEN ALREADY OPENED UP, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEEN. 
          SO JUST BY HELPING THEM, YOU KNOW, BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND LEAD TO SCIENCE, I THINK IT'S JUST FINE. 
          IT'S GOOD FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S NOT LARGER AS BIG AS 72 SQUARE FEET. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S SO, IT'S, IT'S OKAY, ENJOY THIS. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET MANY PEOPLE COMING FOR THE ONE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING SHORTER AND SMALLER FOR A SIGN. 
          , SINCE I THINK WE CREATED, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DID THAT RADIUS ON , WE CREATED CHANGE THE SETBACK AND, AND THAT WAS A TOWN THING. 
          UM, ANYWAY, WE MOVED THE ROAD. 
          YEAH, WE MOVED THE ROAD, ROAD ON ON THEM AND THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE EIGHTIES. 
          IT LOOKS GOOD ON THAT CORNER WITH THAT. 
          I LIKE THE, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
           ON, UH, SIDE FIVE. 
          THE DIMENSIONS. 
          IS THAT THE EXISTING SIZE OF THE SIGN BOX THAT WAS THERE? I DON'T RECALL WHAT EL PHOENIX'S ASSIGN LOOKED LIKE. 
          YES. 
          SO THE ONLY THING THEY MODIFIED WAS THEY SUBDIVIDED THE SIGN CABINET INTO TWO. 
          SO, AND I, THEY DID PAINT THE, UM, THE SUPPORT POLE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MODIFICATIONS THEY MADE TO THE EXISTING SIGN THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO I MOVED SECOND. 
          SO MOTION FROM TOM BROWN. 
          SECOND FROM IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          I OPPOSE. 
          AYE. 
          CATERING IS OVER THERE TOO. 
          [13.  Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Granting a Meritorious Exception to Chapter 62 of the Code of Ordinances for Zoli's NY Pizza, Located at 14910 Midway Road, to Exceed the Maximum Permitted Letter/Logo Height for an Attached Sign. (Case MR2023-02/14910 Midway Road - Zoli's NY Pizza).]
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          SO ITEM 13 PRESENT, DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACTION LINE ORDINANCE GRANTING A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION TO CHAPTER 62 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR YOUR NEW YORK PIZZA. 
          AND LOCATED AT 14 9 10 MIDWAY ROAD TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED LETTER ON LOGO HEIGHT FOR 
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AN ATTACHED SIGN. 
          CASE NUMBER M R 2023 DASH 0 2 14 9 1 MIDWAY ROAD M Y PIZZA. 
          YES, LESLIE? YES. 
          LESLIE KNIGHT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. 
          UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER REQUEST FOR AM MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION AT 14 9 10 MIDWAY ROAD. 
          UH, THE MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION IS FOR AN ATTACHED WALL SIGN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, CLOSEST TO MIDWAY ROAD. 
          UM, THIS, UH, AS SHOWN HERE ON THE THE SITE PLAN, THERE ARE NO OTHER SIGN MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SIGNS ON SITE. 
          THIS PROPOSED SIGN WOULD EXCEED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED LETTER AND LOGO HEIGHT. 
          UH, ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING, UH, ATTACHED WALL SIGN. 
          ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED NEW WALL SIGN, UH, WHICH WOULD BE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. 
          UM, THIS, THE SIGN ON THE LEFT IS APPROXIMATELY 16 INCHES TALLER OR LARGER IN SIZE, UM, EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY 16 INCHES. 
          THE SIGN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, BECAUSE CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YOUR SIGN ON THE LEFT, IS THAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT'S ALLOWED AT THE MOMENT? CORRECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION IS REQUIRED AS IT EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM, UH, HEIGHT THE APPLICANT HAS CITED THE ONGOING MIDWAY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT, UM, HAS CREATED A HARDSHIP FOR THEM, UH, AND CAUSED SOME, UH, I GUESS A DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS. 
          AND THEY'RE REQUESTING THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT IN THE SIGN OR THE LARGER SIGN TO INCREASE VISIBILITY ON MIDWAY ROAD. 
          WITH AM MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION STAFF CONSIDER CONSIDERS EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES OR UNNECESSARY HARDSHIPS. 
          AS FAR AS THE CRITERIA IS CONCERNED, UH, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THE MIDWAY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT IS A HARDSHIP AS IT IS NECESSARY FOR THE TOWN TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE OR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          HOWEVER, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHERNMOST BOUNDARY OF ADDISON. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A, THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE IS THE TOWN LIMIT AND BEING SO CLOSE TO FARMER'S BRANCH, FARMER'S BRANCH HAS MUCH LARGER SIGN ALLOWANCES, MUCH LARGER SIGNS, AND THAT DOES CREATE, UH, A HARDSHIP FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS, SPECIFICALLY ON THE, THE, THAT EASTERN, UH, FRONTAGE OF MIDWAY ROAD. 
          AND LASTLY, STAFF BELIEVES THE PROPOSED SIGN IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR THE BUILDING AND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. 
          LESLIE, CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE, UH, PLAN VIEW SO THAT WOULD PEOPLE AT HOME CAN SEE THIS PLEASE? SORRY, I JUST WANT YOU TO POINT OUT WHERE THE, UH, BOUNDARY IS. 
          YES. 
          SO THE BOUNDARY, UH, THE SOUTHERN, UM, PROPERTY LINE AS SHOWN ON SITE PLAN IS THE TOWN LIMIT LINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS SHOWN ON, ON OUR VIDEO AND I AGREE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE STAFF THAT, UH, OF THE ONGOING MIDWAY ROAD REVITALIZATION HAS NOT CREATED A HARDSHIP. 
          I, I APPLAUD FOR THAT, BRINGING THAT UP. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I, I'M, I AGREE. 
          I, I UH, I AGREE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, AM MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIGN, IT JUST, IT LOOKS DISPROPORTIONATELY SMALL. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THE SIGN IS UP THERE. 
          NOW THE LITTLE ONE'S UP THERE NOW, THE LITTLE ONE, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SMALLER THAN YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE THE BACKGROUND IS A CERTAIN COLOR OR IF IT'S JUST THAT THE BACKGROUND IS PLAIN OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T REALLY, HOPEFULLY THIS IS TO BE ADDRESSED WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR, OUR SIGN CODE. 
          BUT I NEVER DIDN'T UNDERSTAND PERSONALLY THE WHOLE LIKE WE HAVE SO MANY, IT'S STILL UNDER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOWED BY THAT, BY THAT FRONTAGE. 
          SO IT'S LIKE I DON'T, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT LOGOS AND THEIR LETTERS ARE PART OF THEIR LOGOS. 
          SO AS LONG AS IT'S STILL WITHIN OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE, I THINK IT'S FINE. 
          THANK I MOVE APPROVAL IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION OF ITEM SECOND. 
          SO MOTION FOR LAURIE WARD. 
          SECOND FOR DARREN GARNER. 
          WHAT IT HAPPENED IS WE ALL SIGN RESTRICTION IS BIGGER THAN ANY OTHER CITY. 
          SO NORMALLY GO BY PERCENTAGE OF THE FRONT AREA. 
          THAT'S THE REASON. 
          BUT, UH, NORMALLY IF YOUR RESTAURANT SET BACK 100 FEET OR 200 FEET, THEN YOU MAY GET A MERITOR EXCEPTION. 
          BUT FOR THIS, I'M WAITING TO GIVE THEM MERITOR EXCEPTION 
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BECAUSE THEY ENDURED THE MIDWAY CONSTRUCTION FOR SO MANY YEARS ALSO MAYBE ANOTHER YEAR. 
          SO YOU HELP THEM OUT, MAKE THEM SUCCEED IS BEST DECIDE YOU LOOK NEXT DOOR. 
          JAKE'S, JAKE'S SIGN IS MUCH BIGGER, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO BE REASONABLE, RIGHT? SO, UH, FOR THAT I HAVE A MOTION FOR LAWYER WARD SECOND FROM DARREN GARNER. 
          IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          I HAVE HOST MEETING THE JOURNEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY WELCOME.
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