Feb 21, 2023 Planning &amp; Zoning Commission Work Session

SO, YES.

AND I'M LIKE, WELL, YEAH, IF YOU CONSIDER 30 YEARS OUTTA THE BLUE, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING SOMETIMES.

BUT YOU, PHENOMENAL JOB.

SO GREAT JOB, KIM.

I KEEPING WITH THAT THEME FOR A SECOND, THIS MIGHT BE OUT OF ORDER HERE.

UM, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS.

SO WHEN WAS ADDISON GROVE APPROVED? ZONING WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY OF 2016.

16, OKAY.

SO I, I'VE BEEN ON HERE SINCE 2018.

AND I GUESS I'M CURIOUS AS TO BETWEEN 2016 AND 2018, HOW MANY OF, MAYBE YOU SAID THIS AND I DIDN'T HEAR IT, HOW MANY, UH, EACH DESIGNATION HAS THERE BEEN? HOW MANY MULTI-FAMILY APPROVALS HAS THERE BEEN BETWEEN 16 AND 18? AND THEN HOW MANY HAS THERE BEEN BETWEEN 18 AND NOW? AND THE SAME THING FOR CONDOS? THE SAME THING FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT I'M MISSING BECAUSE, WELL, IF, IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT, I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

FROM 16 TO 18, THE PROJECTS THAT WOULD'VE COME THROUGH AROUND THAT TIME WOULD'VE BEEN ADDISON GROOM, AMK ADDISON, UH, OH, ATTACHED TO ADDISON GROVE.

UH, SO EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED THEUM, EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH ADDISON GROVE, WHICH WOULD, THE TRIBU WAS WAY BEFORE THAT.

THE MULTI-FAMILY AND, UH, THE TOWNHOMES, UM, AMWAY ADDISON, WHICH WAS A REZONING REQUEST.

UM, THERE WAS ACTIVITY IN VITRUVIAN AT THAT TIME, UH, ADVANCING PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COMPONENTS OF THE REZONING THAT OCCURRED IN 2007.

SO TRUVIA WEST, UM, PARTICULARLY PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS DURING THAT TIME, OR PERHAPS EVEN A LITTLE BIT LATER.

UM, AND THEN 2018 TO 2020, THERE REALLY WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF ACTIVITY, UM, BEYOND, UH, THOSE PROJECTS.

ADAM DROVE TRUE, NOT ATTACHED TO IT.

WE'RE IN CIRCLE MERIDIAN.

MERIDIAN MERIDIAN WAS APPROVED BACK, IT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED IN 2008.

IT STARTED MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FIRST PHASE IN 2012.

AND IT STARTED ITS LAST PHASE ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AND COMPLETED IT RECENTLY.

HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW AS A, AS A PERCENTAGE, HOW MUCH HAS BEEN APPROVED IN EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES SINCE 2018 OR AFTER

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AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE TOTAL UNIVERSE OF THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, TOWN HOMES THAT ARE OUT THERE, ALL OF THAT.

WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL TOO ABOUT THROWING OUT THE WORD TOWNHOMES BECAUSE TOWN HOMES CAN BE A FLORAN AND AN OWNERSHIP.

AND I'M JUST SAYING CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD, PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME THINGS DURING THIS WHOLE HOME APARTMENT, NO APARTMENT CONFLICT.

AND, AND PEOPLE INTERCHANGE THOSE WORDS.

AND WE NEED TO BE REALLY, REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF 'EM THINK THAT ALL OF ADDISON GROVE WAS FOR RENT.

AND UM, YOU KNOW, A BIG CHUNK OF THAT PORTION IS FOR SALE PRODUCT.

YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW.

WHICH IS THE LAGGER THAT HAS TAKEN LONGER TO DELIVER.

BOB, ARE YOU ASKING FOUR KEN TO COME UP WITH ALL THOSE NUMBERS TONIGHT? OR YOU CAN HAVE DEAL WITH EVERYTHING .

WELL, TOMORROW IT'S .

MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

HE'S BUSIER.

SO WHEN YOU SAY, WHEN YOU SAY THE UNIVERSE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ADDISON UNIVERSE? THE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU MEANT DFW EVERYTHING.

WELL, YOU, I WOULD RECOMMEND A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

SO THE DISCUSSION, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA FORGET, FORGET IT, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT'S SUCH A, OBVIOUSLY SUCH A HOT TOPIC NOW.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT.

THERE'S A LOT OF IT IN THE FAQ THAT, BUT IT'S JUST NOT PERCENTAGES.

FA YEAH.

IT'S LIKE, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING ON ONE OF THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT'S BEEN AROUND, AND I THINK YOU ALREADY PUT THIS TOGETHER WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT HISTORICALLY WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS OF RENTAL PRODUCT.

AND SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL SOME SORT OF OWNERSHIP PRODUCT.

AND IT, IT, IT SORT OF HAS STAYED STAGNANT FOR YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE.

I CAUSE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IS WORTH.

SO IF 80% OF ADDISON OR WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS, IS MULTIFAMILY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WHAT, BEFORE 74.

AND AS, SO LET'S EXPAND OBVIOUSLY THE PERCENTAGE, BUT IT'S EXPAND BY HOW MANY UNITS, HOW, HOW MANY WE KIDS START WORKING ON THAT.

BUT NOW WE NEED TO GET BACK ONTO THE AGENDA.

WE , SORRY.

OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS I WOULD SHARE, WE DO HAVE A NEW MEMBER WITH US TONIGHT.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, JOHN MALACHY, UH, LEFT US IN DECEMBER, UH, COMPLETED HIS FINAL TERM TONIGHT.

I'M LIKE TO INTRODUCE DIANE CHAVEZ.

UH, WELCOME DIANE.

HAS SHE BEEN SWORN IN OR WE GONNA DO THAT STATE? I'M OFFICIAL.

YOU'RE OFFICIAL.

SO WE'VE GOT THE NEWBIES ON THIS SIDE.

YOU AND ZACH ARE OUR NEW FOLK.

WE GOT A NEWBIE OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE, BUT HE'S BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.

AND THEN ONE MORE INTRODUCTION.

UH, SO, UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, A NEW MEMBER OF CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, THAT WILL BE JOINING US PERMANENTLY.

HELLO.

OUR PLANNING ZONING COUNCIL JULIE, JOINING US.

WELCOME OFFICIAL.

I THINK I MET MOST OF Y'ALL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

MINUTES FROM THE, FROM THE JANUARY 17TH PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION.

YEP.

WE'LL KEEP US IN IN ORDER THEN.

[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the February 21, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting: January 17, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Preliminary Plat for Lots 1X, 2X, 3-8, 9X, 10X, 11-19, 20X, and 21-36, Block A of the COG/Beltway Addition (PP2023-02/4150 Beltway Drive) Site Plan Approval request for Atlantic Aviation Hangars at the Addison Airport (SP2022-08/4400 Glenn Curtiss Drive) Site Plan Approval request for Wingstop Test Kitchen (SP2022-09/15504 Midway Road) Site Plan Approval request for Sky Squared Hangars at the Addison Airport (SP2022-10/4485 Eddie Rickenbacker Drive) Site Plan Approval request for Sky Harbour Hangars at the Addison Airport (SP2023-01/4505 Claire Chennault Drive) Development Plan Approval for Addison Grove, Block C (1865-Z) Development Plan Amendment request for Frost Bank (1871-Z/3820 Belt Line Road) Special Use Permit request for St. Martin's (1878-SUP/15175 Quorum Drive) Special Use Permit request for Careers Institute of America (1880-SUP/4951 Airport Parkway, Suite #590) 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Annual Report 2023 Planning and Development Work Plan]

EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE, ANY EDITS, COMMENTS, OUTBURSTS, OTHERWISE, IF NOT, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I EXPECT TO SEE A MOTION WHEN THAT COMES UP THIS EVENING.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO I GUESS, LESLIE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HANDLING THE REST OF THESE, SO YOU KIND OF WANNA JUST JUMP IN WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR LIGHTS ONE X TWO X AND SO FORTH.

SURE.

UM, SO ITEM TWO, THAT'S A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE ADDISON RESERVE TOWN TOWNHOMES.

THAT'S ACTUALLY, OR THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT IS, UH, OUTLINING 36, LOTS OF 31 OF THOSE TOWNHOME LOTS.

AND THEN, UM, FIVE OF THEM, EXCUSE ME, ONE OF THEM IS A, WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME A, UH, PUBLIC DE OR DEDICATED TO TOWN, EXCUSE ME.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER FOUR ARE COMMON SPACE SLOTS WITHIN, UH, THE TOWN HALL NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLA SO, UH, FOLLOWING CIVIL ENGINEERING REVIEW, IT WILL COME BACK BEFORE YOU FOR A FINAL PLAT.

NOW, FINAL PLAT WILL COME IN AFTER THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETED.

AND THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC ITEM, SO IT'LL BE JUST A QUICK CORRECT DISCUSSION AND VOTE.

FOUR OF THE EXISTING HANGERS ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN WITH NO MODIFICATION.

THE, THE, UM, APPLICANT WILL BE PRESENT IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING CORRECT.

NEXT ITEM.

UH, ITEM THREE IS A SITE PLAN, UH, APPROVAL FOR, UM, ATLANTIC AVIATION.

UH, SO THIS IS, UH, AN EXISTING SITE.

UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE'S CURRENTLY SEVEN HANGERS ON THE SITE.

UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, DEMO TWO OF THEM REBUILD ONE, REMODEL ONE, AND THEN A LOT OF SITE IMPROVEMENTS ON BOTH THE, UM, AIR SIDE AND THE LAND SIDE.

UM,

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THIS IS A SITE PLAN FOR THE REZONING WE DID AT LAST MEETING? NO, SO THIS, UH, IS CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL ONE.

UM, IT'S AT, UH, OFF GLEN CURTIS DRIVE, AND IT IS THE USE AND THE DEVELOPMENTS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.

SO THEY HAVE ONLY HAD TO COME IN FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

I ASSUME THAT'S THE SAME WITH THE NEXT ITEM DOWN HERE.

SO, UM, ITEM FOUR, THIS IS A SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, 15 5 0 4 MIDWAY ROAD, CURRENTLY VACANT.

UM, THIS IS AN EXPANSION OF THE, THERE'S CURRENTLY THE WINGSTOP CORPORATE OFFICES, UM, TO THE, UH, SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE.

SORRY, CAN I GO BACK FOR A SECOND? YEAH, I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU MOVED ON .

SO THE, THE AIR, ALL OF THE AIRPORT, UM, AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT.

SO WE HAVE GLEN CURTIS, EDDIE RICKENBACKER, AND CLAIRE CHANAL.

NONE OF THEM ARE, ARE RELATED.

NO.

SO IS IS, IS THAT JUST SORT OF A PROCESS OR IS IT JUST, UM, RANDOM THAT ALL THREE OF 'EM ENDED UP ON AT THE SAME MEETING? VERY RANDOM THAT THEY, THEY ALL ENDED UP AT THE SAME MEETING.

PLACE TO ENSURE THAT IT, THE ULTIMATE USE IS AND CONTINUES TO REMAIN ALIGNED WITH THE AND, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY JUST, UH, SO AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY AT THE AIRPORT RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND SO A LOT OF, UM, NEW GROUND LEASES AND REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, SO THAT IS, THIS IS JUST A RESULT OF THAT.

SO WE'RE JUST SEEING A LOT OF, UM, ACTIVITY.

RIGHT.

AND IT JUST HAPPENED THAT THEY ALL APPLIED WITHIN ABOUT A MONTH OF EACH OTHER.

SO A FEW, A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO IS EVERYTHING, ALL THREE DIVISION ITEMS, THAT, THAT'S ALL LAND OWNED BY THE TOWN, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALL GROUND LEASES? CORRECT.

AND THEN THIS IS MORE OF LIKE A BIGGER PICTURE ZONING ISSUE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT USES.

UM, AND THE ONE I GUESS THIS QUESTION PERTAINS TO IS THE ONE ON, UH, CLAIRE CHANAL DRIVE.

MM-HMM.

SO WITH ZONING, CAN YOU LIMIT THE USES AND, AND LIKE, WHAT, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS AS A HANGAR, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT IS, IT IS ONLY AIRPORT USES.

SO I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH HANGERS AND THEY WEREN'T, THEY HAD AIRPORT ACCESS, BUT THEY, THEY WEREN'T USED FOR AIRPORT USES.

WE HAD A MANUFACTURER OUT THERE AT ONE TIME, SO ON.

SO I GUESS REALLY MY QUESTION IS WITH ZONING, CAN YOU LIMIT THE USES OR IS IT JUST, HEY, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THESE STRUCTURES AND YOU CAN LEASE 'EM OUT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT? SO ALL THREE OF THESE ITEMS ARE ON AIRPORT LAND, AND THEY'RE ALL ZONED INDUSTRIAL THREE.

THAT'S, UH, OUR MOST INTENSE ZONING DISTRICT IN ADDISON THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

UM, IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE RANGE OF USES.

AND ALL THREE OF THESE USES AND DEVELOPMENTS ARE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.

AND THESE ARE ALL SITE PLAN APPROVAL ITEMS. SO YOU ARE CORRECT THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY LIMIT, UH, LAND USES VIA ZONING, HOWEVER, THESE ARE, UM, THIS IS NOT A ZONING REQUEST, IT IS A SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.

SO, UH, I, WE COULD NOT LIMIT THE LAND USE VIA SITE PLAN PROCESS.

UM, I WILL SAY THAT ALL THREE OF THESE, UM, ARE, AND WE'LL, WE'LL REVIEW THEM EACH MORE IN DEPTH, UM, DURING THE REGULAR MEETING.

BUT ALL THREE OF THEM ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH AN AIRCRAFT HANGAR.

SO THEY ALL HAVE AN AIRCRAFT HANGAR COMPONENT, AND THEY, I BELIEVE ALL OF THEM, ALL THREE SITES DO HAVE KIND OF A, AN OFFICE SHOP LOUNGE AREA COMPONENT AS WELL.

IT IS MUCH SMALLER AND INSIGNIFICANT IN COMPARISON TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HANGAR.

BUT ALSO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO SERVE THE, THE AIRCRAFT HANGAR.

ARE YOU ASKING CUZ THEIR STOR LIKE STORAGE FACILITY? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED PREVIOUSLY? YEAH.

CAUSE WHEN YOU GET INTO THE CLAIRE CHANEL, LIKE, IF I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

LIKE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS GONNA BE, SO IF YOU READ HOW THEY'RE GONNA BUILD 'EM OUT, IT'S GONNA BE HANGAR ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.

BUT THEN, LIKE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, LIKE A MAN CAVE ON TOP, I, AND MY QUESTION'S GONNA BE, WHAT IF YOU JUST GET A BUNCH OF GUYS THAT WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PLAY POKER AND THEY DECIDE TO BUY, YOU KNOW, OR LEASE OUT A HANGAR SPACE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY COOL AND THEY CAN PARK THEIR CARS IN THE BOTTOM.

AND I, I JUST, DOES THE CROWN LEASE CONTROL SOME OF THE USE OF THAT? YEAH, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ORIGINAL QUESTION.

THAT'S WHAT WAS, IF THIS WAS PRIVATELY OWNED LAND AND, AND ALL WE HAD WAS THE BASE ZONING, WE WOULD BE VERY LIMITED BEYOND WHAT'S IN THE ACTUAL BASE ZONING DISTRICT IN TERMS OF LIMITATIONS.

BUT ALL THESE ARE, UH, SINCE THEY'RE TOWN OWNED LAND, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO A GROUND LEASE.

AND, AND THE AIRPORT STAFF, UH, IS, IS CERTAINLY, UH, UH, NOT INTERESTED IN ENGAGING IN LEASE ACTIVITIES THAT AREN'T OF AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE AIRPORT.

SO I'M NOT PRIVY TO THOSE LEASES, BUT I, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THERE'S APPROPRIATE, UH, TERMS IN

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AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE, THE TOWN WAS TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET MORE FUEL SALES.

CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE THEY MAKE MONEY ON THE AIRPORT.

AND IF YOU LOOKED AT, AND THIS WAS 10 YEARS AGO, BUT THE USES, I MEAN, YOU HAD COMPANIES THAT HAD PRIME HANGERS WITH PRIME ACCESS TO THE RUNWAY AND THEY WEREN'T USING IT AT ALL.

SO I GUESS MY JUST THOUGHT WAS IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT THESE AND BRINGING THESE ON, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT YOU LIMIT THE USES AND IT'S ONLY FOR YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE, WE BENEFIT FROM THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE FUEL SALES.

SO IF WE WERE, UH, TO NOT CONSIDER THAT IN THE LEASE, THEN YEAH, WE'D, WE'D BE ABSOLUTELY BE LEAVING OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, ECONOMIC CAPACITY OF YOUR, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU DO WITH ZONING? UH, NO.

UH, WE COULD, THROUGH A PD WE COULD HAVE MORE, UH, STRINGENT RESTRICTIONS, UM, ULTIMATELY WITH, UH, HOW THE AIRPORT, UH, HAS AND IS OPERATING TRADITIONALLY, UM, THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT HAS BEEN, UH, UTILIZED.

MOST, IF NOT ALL, THE AIRPORT IS JUST HAS A, A BASE ZONING, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE TONIGHT ANYWAY.

NOW, OKAY, SO LESLIE, YOU'RE SAYING THREE, THERE'S ACTUALLY FOUR OF THESE, BUT THE ONE, BECAUSE IT'S A KITCHEN YOU'RE LEAVING OUT WHEN YOU SAID THREE, SORRY, THAT IS NOT ON THE AIRPORT.

SO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS ON 15,504 MIDWAY ROAD, THAT IS NOT ON THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS THE OTHER THREE SITE PLANS, WHICH IS ITEMS THREE, FIVE, AND SIX ARE ON THE AIRPORT.

SORRY, I CONFUSED THAT.

HAVE Y'ALL SEEN THESE SITE PLANS? IS THE, IS A SHIFT IN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY LIKE GALAXY FBO FOR EXAMPLE? NEVER WENT BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST A LOOK AT ZONING COMPLIANCE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PROJECTS LIKE THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S GONNA RESULT IN NEW BUILDINGS, THEY SHOULD AT LEAST GO ON A COMMISSION AGENDA SO PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE 'EM.

SO THAT IS A SEGUE INTO THE EMAIL I SENT TO YOU AND LESLIE THIS AFTERNOON, WHICH WAS, TO ME, SOME OF THESE ARE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SO WE COULD PRESENT AND DISCUSS THOSE AT THE WORK SESSION.

COULD THEY NOT GO UNDER A CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR MEETING? AND, AND IF SOMEBODY HAD A, OBVIOUSLY AS WITH CONSENT AGENDAS, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ISSUE, WE CAN PULL THAT ONE ITEM OUT AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER IN OPEN REGULAR MEETING.

MY QUESTION ON ONES LIKE THIS WERE, IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, COULD WE JUST HAVE THE DISCUSSION HERE IN THE WORK SESSION AND THEN PUT 'EM ON A CONSENT AGENDA FOR MEETING? YOU CAN, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, MOST OF THOSE TYPE OF ITEMS ARE, YOUR ACTION AS A COMMISSION IS MINISTERIAL IN NATURE.

SO, UM, STAFF HAS ALREADY REVIEWED THOSE ITEMS TO MAKE SURE THEY COMPLY WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT THE, THAT THE TOWN HAS ADOPTED.

UM, SO, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, IF THERE WERE ISSUES WITH, WITH THE SPECIFIC REQUEST OR THE SPECIFIC ITEM, THOSE CAN BE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AND VOTED ON SEPARATELY FROM, OH, AND I LIKE WHAT KEN'S DOING AS FAR AS LETTING THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW ABOUT THINGS GOING ON IN THE TOWN, PARTICULARLY WITH AIRPORT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND SO I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE WE DISCUSS 'EM.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW, SINCE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC MATTER, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE BEYOND THE WORK SESSION IN THE REGULAR SESSION.

SO, UM, AND, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE TO STICK TO THE AGENDA FOR THIS AND THE REGULAR MEETING, THIS WILL NOT APPLY FOR TONIGHT, BUT THE FUTURE, WE MIGHT WANNA GIVE THAT CONSIDERATION.

AND, AND I WOULD POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE TOWN'S ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT ALL MEETINGS, UM, BE PUBLIC.

SO IT IS A PUBLIC ISSUE, BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, AS FAR AS PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT? YEAH.

RIGHT.

SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT MIGHT BE OF PUBLIC INTEREST.

WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE E EITHER ROUTE.

SO IF, IF THE COMMISSION HAS A PREFERENCE, ANY COMMENTS FROM FOLKS? Y'ALL HAVE? ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE? YAY.

NIGHT.

I JUST SEEM TO DO IT AND CONSENT, ESPECIALLY IF WE TALK ABOUT IT HERE, TALK ABOUT IT HERE.

AND WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING ION WE'LL HAVE IN THE RECORD VIDEO, BUT WHAT'S IT BENEFITING US? YOU'RE GONNA SKIP THE, YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LESS TIME IS THAT BASICALLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE STAFF REPORT, YOU'RE HEAR LESS OF LESLIE, BUT HONESTLY THAT'S A LOT OF .

SO WE'LL, WE'LL STILL, UM, COMPLETE A STAFF REPORT.

SO THE PACKET ESSENTIALLY WILL LOOK THE SAME, BUT THOSE ITEMS, INSTEAD OF BEING ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, WILL BE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND COULD BE APPROVED ALL AT ONE TIME.

SO AS A GROUP, CORRECT? CORRECT.

I GOTCHA.

I'M THAT, YEAH, I'M ALL OVER THAT THEN.

MM-HMM.

FLOW THROUGH ALL AT ONE SIDE, EVEN DISCUSSION.

THERE'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU ALL HAVE, UH, A QUESTION OR AN INQUIRY FOR THEM, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO, UH, TO ASK THEM, ASK THAT OF THEM IF I CANNOT ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

UNLESS YOU HAD TO PULL ONE OUT, TALK ABOUT IT.

AND, AND THERE IS, SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, FOR ALL THE ITEMS TONIGHT, THERE WILL BE REPRESENTATIVES ATTENDING FOR ALL OF THESE SITE PLANS, EVEN THOUGH

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SO WE'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR A VOTE FOR EACH ITEM TO APPROVE TODAY.

TODAY.

THAT'S HOW IT'S, OR COULD WE LET LESLIE DO HER THING ON ALL OF 'EM AND THEN HAVE ONE VOTE? I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

UH, JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS.

SO WE'RE NOT BOUNCING IN BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ITEMS. AND SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AT A GIVEN POINT.

AND WE'LL, OUR, OUR PRESENTATIONS ARE TAILORED ON THESE ITEMS. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE FULL DOG AND PONY SHOW, SO IT, IT WILL BE BRIEF.

AND LAST, I ASSUMING ITEM FOUR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION THERE, BUT JUST VERY QUICKLY, WHAT IS, IS THE TEST KITCHEN GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR IS THIS JUST A PRIVATE YEAH, SO HERE I'LL, I'LL JUST TALK ON THAT ITEM A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, SO YES, THAT IS, UH, THE WINGSTOP TEST KITCHEN.

IT'S, UM, KIND OF AN EXPANSION, IF YOU WILL, OF THEIR CAMPUS AT THEIR WINGSTOP CORPORATE OFFICE, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH, UM, EAST OF THIS SITE.

UM, SO IT IS GOING TO BE USED FOR TRAINING PURPOSES AND ALSO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FOR THEIR FOOD PRODUCTS.

SO IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THEIR EMPLOYEES WILL BE THERE, UM, WORKING IN THE TEST KITCHEN.

THEY ALSO INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD DO, UM, TRAINING THERE FOR THEIR, UH, VARIOUS EMPLOYEES ON THEIR PROCESSES AND HOW THEY, UM, HOW, HOW THEY OPERATE AND THEIR, AND THEN HOW IT TRICKLES DOWN TO THE RESTAURANTS AND SO FORTH.

UM, BUT IT WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY WILL NOT BE SELLING FOOD, THERE WILL NOT BE DINING THERE OR TO GO NOTHING OF THAT SORT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS ON THAT.

SO IT IS, UM, AS FAR AS A LAND USE, IT IS MORE OF A, UM, SERVICE ALMOST OFFICE USE, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE IT FOR.

HAVE, HAVE Y'ALL, HAVE ANYBODY BEEN TO THAT PLACE? IT'S FABULOUS.

IT'S A GREAT, GREAT SPOT.

STOP.

IT'S GREAT.

IT REALLY IS NOT, NOT THE RESTAURANT, THEIR CORPORATE OFFICE.

I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS NOT PUBLIC.

IT'S GREAT.

SO WHERE, IT MAY NOT BE ON THE AIRPORT, BUT IT IS ON THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW? YES.

AND SO THE VIEW THAT THEY HAVE IS SPECTACULAR.

SO I WENT THERE FOR A METRO CREST MEETING, UH, I DON'T KNOW, SIX MONTHS AGO, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS.

AND, UM, IT WAS SPECTACULAR.

COOL.

EITHER OR, SO, UH, IT ALLOW, IT STATES THAT, UM, IDEALLY YOU WOULD USE A RATIO OF ONE SPACE FOR EVERY FIVE EMPLOYEES BASED ON THE MAXIMUM ANTICIPATED, ANTICIPATED EMPLOYEES AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

OH, GOOD.

ITEM SEVEN, OR I THINK WE'RE ON FIVE.

DID YOU WANNA DISCUSS? UH, I'LL, I'LL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON FIVE AND SIX AS WELL.

UM, SO FIVE IS A, UH, SINGLE AIRPORT HANGAR, UM, ON A GROUND LEASE THAT WAS, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS FROM JUNE OF 22.

UM, IT IS, LIKE I SAID, A SINGLE, UH, HANGAR.

THERE WILL BE AN OFFICE LOUNGE AREA AS WELL.

UM, IT IS KIND OF ACTING AS, UH, THE SISTER TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THIS SITE.

UM, AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WE WILL HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE AIRPORT, UH, I BELIEVE THE DIRECTOR, UM, JOEL JACOBSON AVAILABLE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, UM, ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THE AIRPORT.

UM, ITEM SIX.

THIS IS A, UH, A SITE PLAN FOR SIX NEW AIR, UH, AIR, UH, CRAFT HANGERS.

YOU ACTUALLY SAW THIS IN AUGUST OF 22.

UM, THEY HAVE PROCEEDED FOLLOWING AUGUST, UH, AND YOU ALL GRANTING THEM SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

THEY PROCEEDED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THROUGH, UM, CIVIL AND, UM, BEGINNING THAT BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AS WELL, AND DISCOVERED SOME CHANGES THEY WOULD HA LIKE TO MAKE, SENDING IT BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.

UM, THOSE CHANGES WERE REALLY A SHIFT BASED ON, UM, THEIR, UM, INTERACTIONS AND FEEDBACK FROM THEIR CLIENTS, AS WELL AS SOME SHIFT IN THE MARKET DEMAND.

UH, I'LL TOUCH ON THAT AS WELL.

THEY ALSO PROVIDED A VERY DETAILED MEMO OF THOSE DESIGN CHANGES.

MOST OF THOSE ARE TO THE INTERIOR OF THE, UH, OF THE SINGLE TENANT HANGERS THAT, UM, ALSO HAD AN IMPACT ON THE FACADE AS WELL.

SO THEY ARE ADDING A SECOND FLOOR MEZZANINE THAT IS ONLY OVER THE OFFICE LOUNGE AND NOSE DOCK AREA.

SO IT IS NOT VERY LARGE.

UM, SO I, UH, IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO BE, UH, AN ADDITION TO, UM, OFFICE SPACE OR STORAGE SPACE FOR THOSE HANGERS, NOT FOR AN ADDITIONAL USE.

CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OR IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN ACTUAL KEEP GOING ON, ON THE SKY HARBOR ONE.

WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH, AND THIS IS REALLY JUST KIND OF FOR MY OWN GENERAL EDIFICATION ON THIS IT, FOR THE I THREE ZONING, IT SHOWED SKY HARBOR TO BE PARKED BASED ON ONE, UH, ONE SPACE FOR FIVE EMPLOYEES.

BUT THE OTHER TWO HANGERS WERE PARKED ON THIS TRADITIONAL ONE FOR, UH, EVERY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? SO IN OUR INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, IT ALLOWS, UM,

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HOWEVER, IF THAT CANNOT BE DETERMINED, THEY CAN USE A RATIO OF ONE TO 1000.

UH, SO FOR, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS SKY HARBOR YEAH.

HAD, UH, THEIR ANTICIPATED EMPLOYEE COUNT, WHICH IS WHY THEY USED THE ONE TO FIVE.

UM, AND THE OTHER TWO HANGERS DID NOT.

AND THEY ELECTED TO USE THE ONE TO 1000.

THAT'S JUST PEOPLE, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER.

I MEAN, YES.

IT'S WRITTEN AS EITHER OR IN THE CODE.

UM, SO THEY ELECTED TO USE THAT.

SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL, BUT I, I THINK THE, THE HISTORY OF THAT IS MORE TO APPLY TO THE, THE AIRPORT SCENARIO.

AND THEN I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON LANDSCAPING ON THAT ONE.

UM, IT READS THE LANDSCAPE, LANDSCAPE MEETS STAFF REQUESTS.

IT DOESN'T SAY MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.

DOES IT MEET THE REQUIREMENT OR, UM, GENERALLY AND ALMO.

SO THE AIRPORT, UM, ALL THREE OF THESE AIRPORT, UM, ITEMS, UM, AND ANY, YOU KNOW, LAND ON THE AIRPORT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE BEAST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FAA SAYING, UH, NO TREES, KEEP THE TREES AWAY.

AND YOU HAVE OUR ORDINANCE SAYING, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO HAVE TREES ON SITE, SO WE REALLY HAVE TO WORK AT A BALANCE.

AND, AND WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT MEETS.

UM, SO YOU'LL SEE ON ALL THE SITE PLANS YOU HAVE, I WASN'T TALKING TREES.

I WAS NOT TALKING TREES.

OH, OKAY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY GET THE REQUIREMENT.

MAY, MAYBE I I STEPPED TOO FAR, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING IS PRIMARILY SITUATED TOWARDS THE, UM, THE LAND SIDE AND THE AIR SIDE IS, IS ALL APRON.

UM, SO IN, I BELIEVE I, UH, SKY HARBOR SPECIFICALLY, THEY MET THE 10% REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR THE BUFFER.

THEY ARE A FEW TREES SHORT, TECHNICALLY.

UM, BUT THAT WAS AT, UH, STAFF'S REQUEST BECAUSE IT WAS ON TOP OF AN EXISTING, UM, UH, I BELIEVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A WATER OR SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT.

SO STAFF ASKED THEM TO CREATE A GAP, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE THERE'S A GAP IN THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG CLARA CHANT, UM, WHERE THERE SHOULD BE TWO ADDITIONAL TREES AND THEY WERE REMOVED.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT DOES MEET THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

THE ISSUE IS THE, THE TREES ATTRACT BIRDS AND, AND I WOULDN'T WANT THAT, HIGHLANDS DON'T LIKE TAKE OFF.

WE LOVE TO HAVE A BIG TREE, BUT WHAT WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE, WHEN, WHEN WE WORK THROUGH THAT, UH, ISSUE IN THE UDC, JUST LANDSCAPE IN GENERAL ON THE AIRPORT, IS, IS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITY FOR LIKE, SAY PAY CASH IN LIEU OF PROVIDING A TREE.

UH, WE DO THAT WITH TREE MITIGATION, SO INSTEAD PLANTING A NEW TREE, PROVIDING FUNDS.

SO THE SAME THING COULD BE WITH LANDSCAPE COMPLIANCE FOR NEW PLANTINGS.

I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT, JUST HOW THAT TREE PROTECTION FUND, HOW DOES THAT, I TRIED TO FIND IT.

I COULDN'T FIND IT.

IT LOOKED, HOW DOES THAT ALL WORK? AND SO IT, IT'S, WE GAVE A AND YOU MISSED IT, UNFORTUNATELY.

I'M SORRY.

LIKE, REALLY QUICK, REALLY, REALLY QUICK.

WE GAVE A VERY, UH, DETAILED PRESENTATION AT THE, UH, ANNUAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, UH, IN EARLY JANUARY.

SO OUR PARTS DEPARTMENT MANAGES THAT.

IS IT ON, GOTTA FIND IT ONLINE.

OH, WE CAN GET YOU AND YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WASTE THE TIME.

SEND THE PRESENTATION IS ON ONE THE ONEDRIVE.

IT IS, IT'S UNDER THE JANUARY, UH, 13TH, I BELIEVE IT WAS.

THE NAME OF THE FOLDER IS JANUARY 13TH, ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING.

AND IT'S A TREE, UM, MITIGATION FUND PRESENTATION.

CAN WE JUST DO NO, WE DID SIX.

NO, THAT'S RIGHT.

WE GOT, WE GOT BACK.

THIS FEELS LIKE YEAH.

SKIP THAT AREN'T, YEAH.

ADDISON GROVE.

ITEM SEVEN IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE, UM, FINAL BLOCK BLOCK C OF THE ADDISON GROVE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS INCLUDES 34 TOWN HOMES, AS WELL AS AN OPEN SPACE LOT IN THE CENTER OF THAT BLOCK.

UM, THE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE, WILL BE HERE TO, TO ADDRESS ANY ITEMS. UM, THERE WERE SOME CONDITIONS PLACED ON, UM, OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDING, I BELIEVE THERE'S FOUR CONDITIONS BE PLACED ON THAT ITEM.

UM, REALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE PROJECT PROCEEDS IN A, IN A TIMELY MANNER.

YEAH, WELL, WHERE THEY'RE MOST BEHIND, THEY'RE BEHIND ON EVERYTHING.

AND THAT'S KINDA THE, THE, UH, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, BUT WHERE THEY'RE MOST BEHIND IS ON THE COMPLETION OF BLOCK BEAT, WHICH WAS THE FIRST BLOCK.

UH, SO THE HOMES REMAINING, UH, FRONT AND BELTWAY IN BLOCK BEAT.

UH, AND THEN ALSO THE PARKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT AND A LITTLE BIT OF

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INFRASTRUCTURE.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS, BUT AUGUST, AUGUST 9TH.

WHEN, WHEN IT GOT A LITTLE BIT, UM, HEATED IN THE, IN THE CONVERSATION.

HAVE THEY IMPROVED SINCE THAT POINT FORWARD? FORGET WHAT WAS GOING ON BEFORE THAT.

HAVE, HAS THINGS BEEN MOVING ALONG? MARGINAL, MARGINAL, MARGINALLY.

SO THEY WILL, SO WE'RE NOT EXACTLY HOLDING THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE.

WE'RE GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF INSTALLATION IN APPROVING THIS.

I MEAN, WHY WOULD WE APPROVE THIS AT ALL UNTIL THEY FIX B? BUT YOU'RE SAYING IF WE APPROVE IT, BUT THEY CAN'T USE IT, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO THAT THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH LOTS IN THIS BLOCK UNTIL THEY MEET THE CONDITIONS THAT IF YOU APPROVE THIS, IF THE, IF, UH, COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND, AND CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY APPROVES IT, THERE'S NOTHING WE GAIN IN THIS PROJECT BY NOT APPROVING THIS.

BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS, WE ALL KNOW, IS FOR IT TO FINISH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO FINISH IT IS APPROVAL OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

SO IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEY'RE STILL IN THE SAME SPOT THEY'RE ALREADY IN.

AND WE'VE GOT ONE MORE THING THAT WE GOTTA DO DOWN THE ROAD ANYWAYS.

SO YOU'RE, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING, THIS IS NOT A TREMENDOUS, UM, INCENTIVE OR STICK TO, TO APPLY TO THEM TO MAKE THEM MOVE FASTER.

IT, IT JUST, IT JUST ISN'T, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY ULTIMATELY HAVE TO DO.

UM, THEIR PLANS COMPLY WITH THEIR, THE INITIAL ZONING.

SO THERE'S NOT A, A GREAT TECHNICAL REASON FOR WHY WE WOULD NOT APPROVE IT.

UH, THEY HAVEN'T MADE PRO GOOD PROGRESS.

THEY CONTINUE TO NOT MAKE GOOD PROGRESS.

IT'S A STRUGGLE OUT THERE.

UH, THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ACTION IS DENYING IT.

IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THAT.

UM, THEY DO ULTIMATELY NEED TO GET APPROVAL OF THIS.

WOULDN'T THE TOWN PUT SET THEMSELVES UP TO BE A BAD POSITION TO NOT BE APPROVING THIS? CUZ THIS STUFF'S ALREADY KIND OF BAKED IN.

I MEAN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A BLESSING, LIKE WITH THESE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THERE'S DIFFERENT PHASES WHERE THERE'S DIFFERENT ACTION AND, AND THEY HAVE COME TO YOU BEFORE.

I'D RECOMMEND LOOKING AT THIS REQUEST JUST AS THIS REQUEST AND NOT TYING IT, IT TO PAST CASES THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION HAS ALREADY CONSIDERED AND VOTED ON.

UM, BECAUSE IT, IT SETS UP SOME, SOME ISSUES FOR THE TOWN.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN'T COMPEL ANY ACTION ON OTHER PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR OTHER PHASES THROUGH THIS ACTION ON THIS ITEM.

SO I'D REALLY RECOMMEND LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IN THIS SPECIFIC REQUEST OR PORTION OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND GOING FROM THERE.

AND ONE THING I WOULD ADD, SO THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH, UM, IN TOWN HOMES.

UH, THAT IS, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

UM, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER.

UM, SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, JUST AS JULIE STATED, LOOK AT THE, THE TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE ISSUES.

WHETHER WE APPROVE OR DENY THIS TONIGHT ISN'T GOING TO GET THEM TO FASTER THE COUNCIL HANDLE A POLITIC.

CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY FOR NEWBIES? SURE, SURE.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO, UH, THE ADDISON GROVE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WAS, UM, UH, IT WAS AN OUTCOME OF A, THE, UH, SEVERAL, UH, CONSIDERATIONS.

SO, UH, BACK IN 20 14, 20 15 TIMEFRAME, UM, THE, UM, FORMER, UH, UH, OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY WAS SAM'S CLUB.

UH, AND THAT PARTICULAR SAM'S CLUB, UH, WENT, UH, WAS, WAS IDENTIFIED FOR CLOSURE.

UM, SO, UH, SAM WALMART, UH, IDENTIFIED THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SELL THAT PROPERTY FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANNA SEE A, A COMPETITOR SUCH AS ANOTHER GROCERY STORE.

SO MAINTAINING THAT SAME BUILDING, UH, WAS NOT REALLY A VIABLE OPTION.

SO THEY MARKETED IT FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

AND ULTIMATELY, UH, THEY IDENTIFIED A GROUP OUT OF HOUSTON, UH, CALLED IN TOWN HOMES.

UH, IN TOWN HOMES IS A, UM, URBAN INFILL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPER.

THEY PRIMARILY DO TOWN HOMES.

UH, THEY HAVE SINCE BRANCHED OUT TO DOING MIX USE PROJECTS, INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS.

UH, BUT WHAT THEY'RE KNOWN FOR IS HIGH END LUXURY TOWN HOMES AND URBAN ENVIRONMENTS.

UH, THEY HAVE PROJECTS

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IN PLANO ON EAST PLANO.

THEY HAVE A PROJECT IN IRVING, FORT WORTH, DALLAS.

UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY THE MOST SUCCESSFUL URBAN INFILL TOWNHOME DEVELOPER IN THE STATE.

UH, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE, HAVE DONE WELL.

UM, PARALLEL TO THAT CONSIDERATION, THE TOWN WAS, UH, GOING THROUGH A, UM, LONG RANGE PLANNING POLICY PROCESS THAT WAS INITIALLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLANT TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE VIABILITY OF, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE MIDWAY ROAD CORRIDOR, GENERALLY FROM, UH, BELTLINE ROAD TO THIS PROPERTY.

SO TO THE REDDING TRAIL.

UM, WITH THAT PROCESS, UH, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION ADVANCED, UM, THERE, IT WAS A VERY, UM, THOROUGHLY DEBATED PROCESS.

AND THE COUNCIL ARRIVED AT A POLICY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SAM'S CLUB PROPERTY THAT WAS LARGELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED THERE.

AND THEN THEY DID NOT ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION AT THAT TIME FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE STUDY AREA.

SO, UM, FOLLOWING THAT RECOMMENDATION, UH, THE ZONING PROCESS, UH, IS INITIATED, CONTINUED, UM, AND A VERY, VERY CONTENTIOUS FREE ZONING WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED FOR THE SAM'S CLUB PROPERTY, WHICH FACILITATED THIS PROJECT.

THE PROJECT COMPRISES 178 TOWN HOME LOTS, UH, THREE TO FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.

UH, ABOUT 21 OF THOSE ARE LID WORK UNITS.

THOSE ARE, UM, GENERALLY ADJACENT TO BELTLINE.

AND THEN A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING ON BELTLINE, UH, THAT COMPRISES 320 UNITS AND A LITTLE BIT OF GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.

UH, THE MULTI-FAMILY WAS BUILT BY GREYSTAR AND IT WAS VERY QUICKLY EXECUTED AND OCCUPIED.

UH, FOLLOWING THE COMPLETION OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ON THIS PROJECT WAS GENERALLY AROUND THE 20 17 20 18 TIMEFRAME.

AND THEN THE TOWNHOMES, UH, STARTED, UH, GENERALLY AT THE SAME TIME, UH, CONSTRUCTION ON THE TOWNHOMES STARTED, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PARKS WERE NEVER FULLY COMPLETED AND WE'RE STILL THERE NOW TRYING TO GET THAT COMPLETED.

UM, AND THE TOWN HOMES, UH, WHAT YOU SEE NOW IS LARGELY BLOCK B UH, SO THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE PROJECT, UH, THAT'S ABOUT A 56 UNIT BLOCK.

UH, THEY FINISHED, UH, ABOUT 44 AND THE REMAINING OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UM, THEY HAD A, A DECENT START.

BUT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, PARTICULARLY THE, THE HEART OF THE PANDEMIC AND MOVING FORWARD, THEY'VE JUST KINDA, UH, STRUGGLED OUT THERE.

UH, THEY DID NOT COMPLETE A DWELLING UNIT LAST YEAR AND IT, THE TOWN HOMES FOR SALE PRODUCT.

SURE.

SO PRICE RANGE, GENERALLY WHEN THE PROJECT WAS FIRST GOING, UH, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE.

SO IN THE 400 RANGE, BUT NOW YOU'RE STARTING AT A THREE STORY, UH, UNIT 1400 SQUARE FEET AT 525,000.

AND THEY'RE GETTING FOR THE LIVE WORK THAT'S BEING BUILT, UH, UP IN THE EIGHT HUNDREDS.

SO IT'S QUITE EXPENSIVE NOW.

ARKINS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE UP THERE.

UH, BACK IN 17 18, 3, 3 INCUMBENT COUNCIL MEMBERS LOST THEIR SEAT CUZ OF PEOPLE WHO JUST DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WAS GOING ON.

TWO COMMISSIONERS RESIGNED BECAUSE OF THEIR VOTES AND THE BACK PUSHBACK THEY GOT.

IT WAS, IT DIVIDED.

THIS TOWN, IT WAS STILL HAS AN NASTY TASTE IN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MOUTHS.

THE OTHER BIG ISSUE THAT I DID NOT MENTION, UM, THE SCREENING WALL THAT WAS BUILT FOR THE SAM'S CLUB PROPERTY THAT, UH, UM, FRONT'S BELTWAY AND, AND SEPARATES THE PROJECT FROM BELTWAY.

UM, THE PLAN, UH, WAS AND IS FOR THAT TO COME DOWN AS THE PROJECT IS BUILT OUT.

THAT WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS ITEM.

I THINK IT WILL BE BEST FOR THE PROJECT THAT IT DOES WHEN, WHEN IT GETS BUILT.

BUT THE CHALLENGES WERE IN THAT INTERIM PHASE WHERE IT'S KIND OF, UH, JUST LOOKS A LITTLE AWKWARD CUZ YOU'VE GOT MOST OF THAT WALL STILL UP AND THEN A FEW HOMES THAT ARE JUST KIND OF, UH, STRUGGLING TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE.

WE STILL GOT A COUPLE ITEMS. WE'VE GOT 20 MINUTES LEFT SO QUICKLY.

LESLIE, NUMBER EIGHT, FROST BANK.

UH, NUMBER EIGHT IS A, UM, APPROVAL OF AMENDING DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT AT 38 20 BELTLINE ROAD.

UM, YOU ALL SAW THIS, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST, UH, 22, UM, JULY 22 FOR THE SALAD AND GO, UH, WHICH IS, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.

UH, SINCE THEN THE, UH, I GUESS FORMER PROPERTY OWNER, UH, SUBDIVIDED THE SALAD AND GO AND THE LOT, WHICH YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT TONIGHT

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AND SOLD THAT.

SO THE, UH, EASTERN 1.47 ACRES, UH, WAS PURCHASED BY FROST BANK AND THEY'RE PURSUING, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THESE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

SO THIS INCLUDES A, UM, JUST OVER 11,000 SQUARE FOOT TWO-STORY BANK, UM, WITH A, UM, FOUR-LANE DRIVE-THROUGH AT THE REAR.

UM, THEY ARE, UH, THEY DO MEET OR EXCEED ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO ITEMS. THE, UM, THERE IS BELTLINE, UM, PLANTINGS REQUIRED, EXCUSE ME, ENHANCED LANDSCAPING ALONG BELTLINE REQUIRED, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD TO DO WITH SALAD AND GO DUE TO EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND, UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND TREES BEING PLANTED IN THAT LOCATION, UH, BECAUSE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY ARE USING, UM, VARIOUS SHRUBS TO ENHANCE THAT, THAT FRONTAGE AND THOSE TREES ARE PLANTED ELSEWHERE ON SITE.

UM, THE OTHER ITEM IS, UH, THIS IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF LOCAL RETAIL, EXCUSE ME.

THE, THE EXISTING ZONING IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT STANDARDS, WHICH ALLOWS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 29 FEET FOR, UM, THE STRUCTURE.

AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 31 FEET, SO IT EXCEEDS THE BUILDING HEIGHT BY TWO FEET.

UM, GIVEN THE LOCATION ON BELTLINE, UH, STAFFS, UH, SUPPORTS THE, THE INCREASED HEIGHT GIVING, GIVING IT A MORE PROMINENT, UM, PLACE ON THE CORRIDOR.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? YEAH, I DO.

SO, UH, 31 VERSUS 29, UM, YOU, YOU CALLED IT DESIRABLE TREATMENT.

LIKE WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HOW TALL ARE THE LIVE WORKSPACES OFF A BELTLINE, BECAUSE NOW THAT I SEE THEM, THAT THAT'S REALLY, REALLY TALL, THAT CLOSE TO BELTLINE.

AND DO YOU KNOW HOW TALL THEY ARE? THOSE ARE MUCH TALLER.

UH, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE LIKELY, UH, 45 FEET TALL.

OH, OKAY.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO YOU, LIKE FOR US AND WANTS, WANTS TO CONSTRUCT A BANK, I MEAN, DO YOU REMIND THEM THAT WE HAVE TWO EXISTING BANKS, TWO EXISTING FROST BANKS? WELL, WELL WE, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER FROST, BUT LIKE WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO OTHER SPACES.

WE HAVE WELLS FARGO AND WE'VE GOT CAPITAL, CAPITAL ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM.

I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE HUMMINGS GO, BUT I MEAN, DO YOU EVER HAVE THOSE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM? UH, THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE HAS BEEN INTEREST IN THE SITES AND I THINK KEN CAN DEFINITELY SHARE MORE HISTORY ON THOSE.

UM, I THINK WITH, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, FROST WANTED TO CONSTRUCT THEIR OWN BUILDING AND HAVE, UM, PROVIDE A PROMINENT, UH, PRESENCE WITHIN THE CORRIDOR.

UM, AND THOSE OTHER, UH, EXISTING VACANT BANKS DIDN'T FIT THAT THE, I GUESS THE MOLD, IF YOU WILL.

UM, SO THESE ARE VACANT BANKS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, MY DAD OWNS A BANK AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY THEY DON'T, THERE'S SO MUCH SECURITY, THEY DON'T WANT ANYONE WHO WAS AT THE OLD BANK TO KNOW WHAT THE SECURITY IS.

IT'S A SECURITY ISSUE.

THEY WANNA PUT THEIRS JUST VERY, VERY BROADLY, UH, LIKE THE SIZE OF THE WALLS WHERE THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.

BIG COMPONENT.

SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL NEVER GO INTO ANOTHER OLD BANK.

A BIG COMPONENT OF THAT IS BRANDING AS WELL.

UM, MANY OF US, UM, UH, AT LEAST I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

I, I HAVEN'T BEEN INTO A BRICK AND MORTAR BANK IN A LONG TIME.

YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER SURPRISING THING, BUILDING.

SO THEY, THEY ALMOST SERVE KIND OF LIKE BILLBOARDS.

SO HAVING YOUR OWN ARCHITECTURE TO SUPPORT YOUR BRAND IS, IS A BIG COMPONENT OF THAT.

LOCATION IS A BIG COMPONENT OF THAT.

SO IF ONE MAY HAVE FAILED AT A, AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION, IT, IT MAY NOT BE VIEWED FAVORABLY BY ANOTHER BANK.

UH, SO IT, I THINK, I THINK THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO GENERALLY BUILD NEW CONSTRUCTION AND, AND, UH, HAVE THEIR, UH, APPLY THEIR OWN, UM, UH, DESIGN AESTHETIC, UH, TO THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION.

I YOU DON'T WANNA, WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED? I'M IN THE OLD WELLS FARGO BUILDING.

I GET IT.

AND THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOUR APPLICANT'S GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT, SO YOU CAN ASK THEM THAT QUESTION.

YOU CAN ASK WHY .

UM, THE MAIN CONCERN FROM, UH, THE HOA WAS, UM, TRAFFIC FLOW.

NINE AND 10 ARE GONNA BE POSTPONED, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

WELL, LESLIE, ON EIGHT YOU HAD A CONDITION ADDED FOR DIRECTIONAL SIGN.

SO, UH, WITH, UH, FROST BANK AND IT'S, UH, ADJACENCY TO THE, UM, ASBURY CIRCLE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT, UH, THEY DID DO, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH AND HAD A MEETING WITH THE A, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOA.

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UH, THEY SAID A LOT OF PEOPLE GET CONFUSED.

THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, PRIVATE DRIVES IN THAT AREA AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE ACCIDENTALLY FEED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY WANTED TO AVOID THAT AND RECOMMENDED THAT THAT BE DONE THROUGH DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.

WE DO ALLOW DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE WITHIN THE SIGN CODE.

UM, SO I DID, UH, RECOMMEND PLACING THAT AS CONDITION THAT THAT BE ADDED TO, UM, HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND ALSO, UM, TRY TO EASE THE CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS.

DID THE BANK GIVE THE HOA SPECIFIC WORDING ON THE SIGNS AND WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE PLACED? OR IS THAT A TB D KIND OF A THING? SO WE DO HAVE, OR, UH, REGULATIONS WITHIN OUR SIGN CODE.

SO, UM, SOME OF THE, THE GENERAL REG UH, REGULATIONS, IT CAN'T BE ADVERTISEMENT, SO THEY CAN'T SAY FROST BANK THIS WAY.

IT HAS TO BE, UM, MORE GENERIC.

SO EXIT ENTRANCE AND SO FORTH.

UH, THEY CAN'T HAVE ARROWS.

I BELIEVE THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS, UH, TWO BY ONE.

UM, THERE'S MINIMUM SETBACKS FROM, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE, EXCUSE ME.

AND SO ALL OF THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE MET.

THE H HOA DID NOT, UM, SPECIFICS, JUST THAT DIRECTIONAL SIGN BE ADDED TO HELP GUIDE, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, ENTRANCE AND EXIT OUT OF THE, UM, THE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE RIGHT UP THERE BY ASHBURY.

ALL RIGHTY.

AND THEN 11 AND 12, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ANNUAL REPORT.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO, WELL, DID YOU WANNA DISCUSS NINE AND 10, SIR? THEY'RE GONNA BE POSTPONED.

ARE YOU GONNA HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY? YES, YES.

JUST TO GET THE POST.

GOTCHA.

STAFF WILL SUBMIT A POSTPONEMENT AND WE'LL VOTE ON IT.

YOU GO ABOUT, I THINK WE COULD CAPTURE THAT EITHER EASY UNDER ONE ITEM RELATED TO PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.

WE'LL ASK FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO.

GOTCHA.

UH, SO WITH THE ANNUAL REPORTS, UH, IT WAS ANOTHER BUSY YEAR FOR THE COMMISSION.

UH, WE, WE ARE ADDING, UH, CASES EACH YEAR.

WE GREW BY, UH, 36%, UH, THIS YEAR.

UH, AND WE ALSO HAD SOME, UH, UH, VERY COMPLEX, UH, AND CHALLENGING CASES AS WELL.

UM, WE OBVIOUSLY, THE, THE MIDWAY SOUTH SPECIAL AREA STUDY ADOPTING A NEW LONG RANGE PLANNING POLICY FOR THE MIDWAY CORRIDOR WAS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE COMMISSION'S WORK FOR THE YEAR.

UH, YOU HAD, UH, A RANGE OF PROPOSALS, UH, RELATED TO HOUSING, UH, TO INCLUDE FAMILY.

TREEHOUSE STILL WAS AT FIORI COBALT HOMES, AND THOSE WERE ALL VERY SPIRITED DISCUSSIONS AND TECHNICALLY COMPLEX PROJECTS.

AND THEN YOU, YOU HAD, UH, A A LOT OF NEW INFILL, UH, REUSE REINVESTMENT, UH, BOTH IN THE VILLAGE, ON THE PARKWAY AREA WITH PROJECTS LIKE PUT SHACK AND NS AND HAWKERS, AND THEN OVER ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN WITH A PAHA AND SADDLE AND GO.

SO IT WAS A BUSY YEAR FOR THE COMMISSION.

ATTENDANCE WAS GREAT.

AGAIN, WE ONLY HAD FOUR MEMBER ABSENCES FOR THE YEAR, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR DEDICATION, UH, TO ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS.

UM, THE ONE, UH, THING THAT IS IDENTIFIED AS A NEED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT AND, AND, UH, CHAIR SALARIES IS GONNA BE PRESENTING THIS, UH, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS, UH, THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON IN THE UPCOMING YEAR.

UM, ALSO WE INCLUDED AS THE NEXT ITEM, OUR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, ANNUAL WORK PLAN.

UM, THAT REALLY IS A MULTI-YEAR DOCUMENT AND IT'S A, A FULL DOCUMENT.

UM, SO, UH, REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FROM FOR THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS A DISCUSSION ON GOALS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON AS A BOARD FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

CHRIS, SUGGESTIONS? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT FALLS UNDER, UM, UNDER, UNDER ZONING, BUT NO, I, AND I, I, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS UP AND DOWN MIDWAY AND WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING BIKE TRAILS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T REALLY GIVEN MUCH THOUGHT TO CROSSWALKS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, A PROJECT WE CAN TAKE ON OR NOT, OR IF THAT'S AN IDEA YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE THING THAT COMES TO MIND.

UM, MORE THOUGHT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY, LIKE I MORE THOUGHT INTO, UM, LIKE WHEN, WHEN CENTERS DEVELOP, UM, I, I THINK LIKE THE, THE TOM THUMB REDEVELOPMENT, THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF ALLOWING, UM, PEDESTRIAN AREAS ALL THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT.

UM, LIKE THE TARGET CENTER WOULD BE ONE THAT IF I WALKED THERE FROM MY HOUSE, WHICH IS DOABLE, IT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SORT OF NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR HOW, HOW

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I THINK IT, IT KIND OF ALIGNS AND HOW WE TREATED IT.

UM, LAST YEAR YOU HAD SOME REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO, TO TREE PRESERVATION AND LANDSCAPE.

AND IT HAS HELPED US AND DID HELP US AS A STAFF, UH, TO, TO FOCUS MORE DELIBERATELY ON THAT ITEM.

SO, UM, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO IMPROVE THESE CONDITIONS, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, WHETHER IT IT'S IN OUR GENERAL OPERATIONS OR AS WE ADDRESS LONG-RANGE PLANNING POLICIES WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN COMING UP.

UM, WE DEFINITELY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT ON POLICY SIDE, BUT THE DAY-TO-DAY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW CONSIDERATION IS IMPORTANT AS WELL.

AND, AND FEEDBACK LIKE THIS DOES HELP US.

THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO THE, THE WHOLE CROSSWALK THING, LIKE WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL 10 YEARS AGO, SOME REALLY GOOD STUFF AND, UM, LIKE THEY, THEY HIGHLIGHTED AREAS, EXISTING CROSSWALKS THAT NEEDED TO BE, YOU KNOW, LIT BETTER OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SIGNAGE FLASHING LIGHT.

YEAH, THERE'S SIGNAGE.

YOU HIT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL EITHER LIGHT UP OR THERE'LL BE SOME FLASHING LIGHTS TO LET YOU KNOW, DRIVERS KNOW THAT THERE'S PEDESTRIAN RIGHT ACROSS.

AND I FEEL LIKE JUST A LOT OF THAT BECAUSE THE ENTIRE STAFF HAS TURNED AND WE HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER.

SO MUCH OF THAT HAS GOTTEN LOST.

BUT AGAIN, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A P AND Z THING OR NOT, IT'S MORE OF A C I P E LONG-TERM PLANNING THING.

BUT THE, JUST A GENERAL FOCUS ON PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND CONNECTIVITY AT THE EDGE OF REDEVELOPMENT AND PROJECTS IS, IS DEFINITELY A P AND C THING.

AND, AND WE CAN EMPHASIZE THAT.

WHEN WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE WE COULD SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO STUDY THIS.

AND ONE, ONE MORE THING, NOT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT HAVING A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT PARKING.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER REALLY DOVE INTO IT WHERE WE REALLY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DEVIATE FROM THE EXISTING POLICY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF AN UBER OR WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF HAVING LIKE RAIL COME THROUGH YOUR TOWN? DO WE GET A LITTLE MORE LENIENT ON REQUIREMENTS? DO WE GIVE SOMEONE A BREAK IF THEY HAVE A BIKE RACK OR A CHARGING STATION OR SOMETHING? I, I'D LOVE TO DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE TOO.

SO ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, EVERYBODY'S GONNA, AS YOU SAY, CHRIS, EVERYBODY'S GOT AN OPINION ABOUT PARKING.

EVERYBODY'S GOT A TIMELINE ABOUT PARKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT PARKING.

WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO DO OVER A PERIOD OF TIME IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARKING GARAGE AT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY AND, AND DO A, UH, SURVEY THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NIGHT THROUGHOUT THE WEEK OF HOW THAT PLACE IS OR ISN'T PARKED.

BECAUSE I GET MY HAIRCUT IN THAT BUILDING.

AND THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WENT IN THERE, I COUNTED THEM.

THERE WAS 10 CARS ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR, .

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS ABOVE IT, BUT I, I ASSUME LESS THAN THAT.

UM, BUT ALL THE SURFACE PARKING WAS ABSOLUTELY FULL.

SO, UH, AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE INFORMATION, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HAVE, I BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN THE, UH, MANAGER FROM VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY WAS HERE FOR ONE, ONE OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS.

AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE TOWNS NECESSARILY POSITIONED TO DO THAT, KEN, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHO GOES THERE AND WHEN PARKWAY FILL UP.

NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT WE CAN DO.

WE COULD DO, THERE IS A COMPONENT HERE OF WHEN WE CONTINUE TO GET REDEVELOPMENT REQUESTS AND THEY'RE ADDING A, AN ATTRACTIVE RESTAURANT SOMEPLACE, IT'S JUST GOING TO ADD TO THAT WHOLE PROBLEM.

SO IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE UN INFORMED OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT GARAGE.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST PARAMOUNT TO US.

SO WE CONTINUE TO ASK QUESTIONS WHENEVER WE GET STUFF IN THERE FROM VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, BECAUSE I, THERE'S, I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN WE WOULD'VE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO GO ONTO THE PROPERTY AND DO A SURVEY OF THE, OF THE STATION, OF THE GARAGE, BUT THEY'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT CAN ONLY SUPPORT SO MUCH MORE REINVESTMENT.

UH, IF IT'S A MAJOR CHANGE THEY'RE USING THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDINGS, UM, THE PARKING IS KINDA, UH, THE RATIOS ARE KIND OF AGNOSTIC.

THERE'S A GENERAL RATIO.

IT'S NOT LIKE RESTAURANTS 100 AND RETAIL'S 200, IT'S, IT'S A MIXED USE RATIO.

BUT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY WERE TO ADD MORE INFILL BUILDINGS, THAT'S

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WE GOT FIVE MINUTES.

WHAT DID, DID I, I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG AND MAYBE IT GOES INTO ONE OF THESE GOALS THAT WAS ABOUT THIS DATABASE FOR ACTIONS OF FUTURE CASES, BUT I'M NOT DISCUSSED IN THE PAST OF HAVING SOME KIND OF A FILE OR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD GO ON OUR OWN AND GO CHECK OUT STATUSES OF WHERE THINGS ARE.

THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS.

IS THAT THAT ITEM? YEAH.

SO IT IS STILL IN THE WORDS.

IT IS, IT IS ON IT ALL IS ENCOMPASS IN THAT LINE ITEM.

SPEAK AS A GRADUATE OF METROCREST AND ALSO LEADERSHIP, UH, OR METROCREST AND ALSO ADDISON CITIZEN THING.

GETTING ON SOME OF THESE FIELD TRIPS WAS A BIG EYE-OPENER FOR ME.

AND I KNOW THAT'S ON OUR GOALS, BUT WE JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE TRIGGER AND GET ANY ONE, EVEN JUST ONE DONE.

SO I REALLY LIKE TO PUT SOME MEMPHIS ON US GOING OUT AND SEEING SOME OF THESE THINGS.

UM, SO LET, UH, THAT'S ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THREE, I THINK UNDER BIG ITEM FOUR.

MM-HMM.

UM, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, GET, GET SOME MARK ON THAT.

SO BACK TO THE PARKING, WHAT I BROUGHT UP ABOUT ADDISON'S CIRCLE IS THE SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, AND HOW PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW THEY'RE THERE OR THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'RE FREE OR THEY DON'T KNOW.

THE BAR GOES UP IN CERTAIN ONES AFTER A CERTAIN TIME, ANY OF THE PARKING.

AND IT TRIGGERED YOU.

AND YOU SAID THAT ABOUT, ABOUT THE CROSS.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN AD, BUT IF, IF WE KEEP HAVING THESE LIMITS, WE'RE STOPPING PEOPLE FROM, FROM USING, YOU KNOW, FROM USING, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN AND IT SAYS ENTRANCE AND EXIT AND THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE ARE TRACING INTO THEIR WAYS AND AN ENTRANCE EXIT, THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP.

IT HAS TO BE, I THINK IT HAS TO SAY FROST ENTRANCE, FROST, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE NOT SAY BETTER WAYFINDING SIGNAGE.