Jul 19, 2022 Planning & Zoning Commission Work Session

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[ Call Meeting to Order]

[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]

SO WE DID HAVE ONE, UH, ITEM FROM THE JUNE, UH, PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.

THIS MODEL, THAT WAS THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ADDISON GROVE BLOCK D.

UM, THE COUNCIL, UM, HAD MANY OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT THIS GROUP HAD, UH, AND, UH, THEY, UH, WERE CHALLENGED BY THE RESPONSES THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, DURING THAT DISCUSSION.

SO THEY DID ELECT TO TABLE, UH, THAT ITEM, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, UH, PENDING ON THE APPLICANT, RESPONDING TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD RELATED TO THE PROGRESS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY DID ELECT TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THE, UH, ONE ITEM THAT WAS REALLY CRITICAL TO WALK D MOVING FORWARD AND REALLY KIND OF CRITICAL TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT GIVEN IT'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.

SO THAT'S THE EXTENSION OF THE WATER LINE, UH, FROM THE EAST SOUTH EASTERN LIMIT OF ADDISON GROVE TO THE EXISTING WATERLINE, UH, IN THE, UH, SECTION OF BELTWAY DRIVE.

SO THAT, UM, IMPROVEMENT, WHEN THEY DO EXECUTE, THAT WILL REQUIRE A PORTION OF THE SCREENING WALL TO BE REMOVED.

UM, AND THEN AT THAT TIME THEY'LL MAKE THE UTILITY IMPROVEMENT, BUT THEN ALSO FINISH OUT.

UM, THAT SECTION IS, IS THAT IS ALSO WHERE THE, UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS, UM, BARRIER IS LOCATED THOSE RETRACTABLE DOLLARS.

SO THEY WOULD FINISH OUT THAT CONNECTION INSTALL, THE BOLLARDS ISSUE THAT IS, UH, SECURED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS AND USE.

UM, BEYOND THAT, UM, THEY ARE WORKING WITH STAFF TO, UM, ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS COUNCIL HAD, AND WE ANTICIPATE THEM, UH, GOING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION ON AUGUST 9TH.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FROM THE COMMISSION? IT DOESN'T GO BACK TO THE COUCH, CORRECT? UH, THE COUNCIL COULD ELECT TO REMAND IT TO YOU, UH, BUT NOTHING IN THAT DISCUSSION SUGGESTED THAT, UH, DO THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR, KIND OF A QUIET WEEKEND.

ALRIGHT.

SECOND, I HAVE A

[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the July 19, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting. June 21, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Replat request for Lot 1R, Block 1 of the Greenhill School Addition (R2022-02/4141 Spring Valley Road) Sam’s Club Special Area Study Rezoning Request for AMLI Midway (1851-Z)]

UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE JUNE 21ST, 2022 MINUTES.

HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS MEETING IN REVISIONS EDITS COMMENTS FOR COUNTER STAFF? OKAY.

UH, SECOND ITEM FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA IS REPLAT REQUEST FOR GREEN SCHOOL EDITION AGAIN, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE FOR YOU THAT REQUEST YOU HAVE ANY REVISIONS QUESTIONS FOR CANON OR STATE.

THERE ARE NO EDITS OR CONCERNS, AND UNLESS SOMEONE SPEAK NOW FOR OVERLOAD YOUR BASE AS A NEED FOR YOU, THESE ITEMS BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY.

THESE TWO WILL BE UPLOADED ON HIS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS REMAINING TRUST SOMEBODY HERE AND BE READY TO MAKE THE MOTION TODAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THE TWO ITEMS UNDER THE REGULAR MEETING, FIRST ONE SAM'S CLUB AREA STUDY SIM THAT I TRUST THAT EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS MOST RECENT DRAFT, UM, AS WELL AS PERHAPS REVIEWING THE VIDEO OF OUR MEETING, UM, ON DISCUSSIONS.

SO CAN YOU PLEASE UPDATE ON WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE LAST MONTH REVIEW AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU THINK DISCUSS? YES, SIR.

SO, UH, AT THE JUNE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION PROVIDED DIRECTION TO STAFF TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION OF THE PLAN TO ACCOUNT FOR, UH, NEEDED GROUP YOU AND UPDATE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING AND ULTIMATELY IMPLEMENTING.

SO, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION IS Y'ALL MEET, UH, EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY TO COVER, UM, NON, UH, REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS AND YOUR ANNUAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETINGS.

SO I DO THINK THAT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY GIVEN THAT THIS IS A SMALL PLAN AND A SMALL PLANNING AREA.

THEN WE CAN DO THIS WITH THE OTHER SMALL AREAS OF THESE AS WELL AS DESIRED BY THE COMMISSION, BUT USE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON ANY PLAN, IMPLEMENTATION, PROGRESS AND CHANGE IN, UM, OUR SPECIAL STUDY AREAS.

AND THEN IF THE COMMISSION SEES ME FOR UPDATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR IMMEDIATE UPDATES,

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UM, MY QUESTION WAS, DO WE NEED TO DEFINE IN HERE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AT A SPECIFIC TIME? UM, WE COULD, IF WE NEED THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL JUST INFORMALLY, UM, THAT'S WHEN I WOULD DO IT.

UM, BUT IF WE WANT TO SPECIFY THAT IN A SECOND, WE'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF LETTERS PRIOR TO TODAY AND SEVERAL MORE, I GUESS WE RECEIVED TODAY, UM, DONALD YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ SOME OF THOSE, HOPEFULLY IN THE ONES THAT WE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, UM, FROM A COUPLE OF CITIZENS.

UH, AND THEN SEVERAL MORE TODAY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON SOME OF A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I HAVE THROUGH HERE? SO, UM, LET'S SEE, PAGE FOUR.

AND THAT JUST KIND OF WHERE I WROTE SOME GENERAL NOTES AND JUST FROM COMMENTARY THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM PEOPLE, AND I'M JUST THROWING OUT COMMENTS, YOU CAN TAKE FOR ONE'S WORK OR NOT.

I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT STATES CLEAR ENOUGH THAT THIS IS A GUIDE AND NOT, I KEEP ANY COMMENTARY BACK THAT WHEN COUNCIL GOES TO GIVE, DO THINGS THAT THEY'LL SAY ANY OF THESE AREAS, STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, THAT THIS IS LIKE THE LAW, AND I'M LIKE, THIS IS NOT THE LAW.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT.

I FEEL LIKE YOU GOT TO SAY IT 10 MILLION TIMES IN HERE.

THIS IS A GUY, A GUY, A GUY, AND IT NEEDS TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH WHEN TIMES CHANGED.

SO I HAVE A COMMENT ON HIS OWN.

SO LIKE PAGE 38, UM, PROBABLY PARAGRAPH THAT'S THE TOWN'S SECOND ROLE, WHATEVER IN HERE.

AM I GOING TO NOTICE WHERE THAT, UM, TRY NOT TO NEW CONTEXT THAT YOUR SON, THIS IS THE FRAME THAT THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A FRAMEWORK AND NOT VIEW IT SHOULD BE VIEWED AS FLEXIBLE.

IT CHANGES OVER TIME AND AS, AS THE AREA CHANGES.

AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GETTING ENOUGH OF THAT IN SOME OF THESE PARAGRAPHS, BUT, YOU KNOW, CYCLES CYCLES HAPPEN, CHANGES HAPPEN.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HAMMERED ENOUGH IN HERE.

UM, PAGE 39, SECOND PARAGRAPH CITY COUNCIL.

WE USE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE DECISIONS.

I WOULD HIGHLIGHT BOLD THAT STATEMENT.

AND THEN A COUPLE SENTENCES LATER, IT GOES TO THE TOWN SHOULD BE PREPARED TO EVALUATE PROGRESS PERIODICALLY AND UPDATE THE ADOPTED STUDY WHEN SHE DOES IN THE MARKET FOR THE COMMUNITY MAKES SUCH AN UPDATED WARRANTY.

BUT THAT'S ANOTHER LIKE FOLDED UNDERLINE.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS IN THIS AND I THINK SOME OF THIS JUST NEEDS TO LIKE JUMP OFF THE PAGE AT PEOPLE BECAUSE I'M NOT CONVINCED PEOPLE ARE GONNA READ 39 PAGES OF THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'D MAKE IS THAT I THINK WHEN THEY SEE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THEY LIKE, IT BECOMES THE LAW IT'S HUMAN NATURE.

YES, IT'S IN PRINT, YOU WROTE IT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A SEGUE CONCERNS THAT I HAD.

UM, AND THAT'S, IT, IT, IT COMES UP WITH THE, UH, THE ONLINE THING IS THAT YOU HAVE COMPARED A REQUEST FOR APPLICATION TO, TO VARIOUS STUDIES AND YOU GO, THEY MEET ALL THE CRITERIA.

WELL, IS THE CRITERIA, THE BAR TOO LOW? IS IT TOO HIGH? AND SO YOU SIMPLY SAY IF EACH CRITERIA IS THAT STILL THE RIGHT FIT.

AND SO IT KIND OF GETS DOWN TO EVERYTHING AND THEN AN APPLICATION MEETS THE CRITERIA IN THE SAME STUDY.

WELL, IT MAY BE A HUNDRED FEET IS NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER AND KINDA LIKE THE COBALT THE OTHER WAY, ONE 50 FEET, BUT IT ALSO COULD BE, IT COULD BE 200 FEET.

AND SO I KIND OF GRIEVED DENISE AS THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME INVOLVED WITH THAT SENTENCE.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GUIDELINES, THESE ARE PRINCIPLES TO CONSIDER.

AND, BUT IT IS THAT THEY NEEDS TO BE AN, IT NEEDS TO BE ADAPTED AS REQUIRED FOR THE CONDITIONS OF THE UNIQUE TO AN APPLICATION.

AND SORRY, IF ON PAGE 26 UNDER ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT TO BELTWAY DRIVE, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE LANGUAGE IN THERE TOO, OR PROTON DRIVE MAY NOT JUST KNOW THAT THAT YOUTUBE IN THE RESIDENTIAL TERRITORIAL WORLD.

AND THEN ON A FRAMEWORK MAP ON 30, THE NOTE THERE IS DEPICTS INTERNAL STRIPS ARE ILLUSTRATED IN NATURE.

FINAL STREET LAID OUT WILL DEPEND ON THE NATURE OF THE INDIVIDUAL REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.

LIMITATIONS ON THE THROUGH TRAFFIC MUST BE ACCOMMODATED IN ALL DEVELOPMENT POSES.

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BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, THIS IS KIND OF PUTTING BACK, WE'RE GETTING INTO THE SAME ISSUE WITH ADDISON GROVE, THAT IT WOULD PUT TRAFFIC BACK OUT INTO EITHER BELTWAY AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY TO PROTON TO WHICH THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO THESE ARGUMENTS THAT YOU GOT INTO AX AND GROVE, WHICH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE PURPOSES, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT, I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD BECOME THAT THROUGHS FOR ALL OF THIS.

I MEAN, I GET, THERE'S ALL THIS ISSUES WITH GREENHILL, WHATEVER.

SO IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO UP ON IT AND IT WOULD END UP GETTING THREE TO ONE, AND THEN THAT CAN BECOME CUT THROUGH FOR GREENHILL SCHOOL AND THEN TALK ABOUT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT COULD END UP THERE.

I MEAN, I GET THAT.

WE'VE GOTTEN COMMENTARY, SUPPOSEDLY GREENHILL DOESN'T WANT IT, BUT TIMES CHANGE AT GREENHILL TOO.

THEY COULD CHANGE THEIR MIND IN THE FUTURE.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU START TALKING ABOUT LA TRAFFIC.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON IT RELEVANT DAY.

SO, AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

YOU SAID IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY IN, THEY'RE FINE WITH THE LANGUAGE, BUT MY PREFERENCE IS TO AVOID INTERNALLY.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT IT WAS TWO MAIN ROADS.

I THINK WE TRY TO AVOID IT.

AND SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO COVER ON THAT.

ALL VERY GOOD POINTS THAT YOU'VE MADE.

UM, ONE THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IT'S WELL, WE HAVE A ZONING ITEM AND WE HAD THIS STUDY AND THEY'RE RELATED AND WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THEM BOTH TONIGHT.

THEY'RE BOTH VERY SEPARATE ITEMS. THIS PLAN IS NOT A TROJAN HORSE FOR THAT ZONING ITEM.

IT NEEDS TO STAY IN ON ITSELF.

A ZONING CASE ZONING REQUESTS CAN WITH THE TALENT'S POLICIES, BUT IT CAN STILL NOT BE A GOOD FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THE TOP COMPLYING WITH TOWN POLICY IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH ZONING.

IT'S NOT A, A MINISTERIAL ACTION AND THAT IF THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THE LAW, WE HAVE TO LET THEM USE THEIR PROPERTY.

IN THAT WAY.

IT IS A POLICY DECISION.

DOES THAT MEAN AS A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS, YOU ALL HAVE THE DISCRETION AS THIS COUNCIL TO REVIEW IT.

YOU SHOULD REVIEW IT THROUGH THE LENS OF TOWN POLICIES AND APPLY THEM APPROPRIATELY, BUT THERE ARE MORE THINGS TO CONSIDER IN LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT THAN SIMPLY JUST IF SOMEBODY CHECKS THE BLOCK ON TOP OF POLICY.

SO, UM, THIS POLICY VERY IMPORTANT WORK THAT WAS DONE BY THAT COMMITTEE.

THEY DID NOT GET CONSENSUS ON EVERY ISSUE.

THERE'S VERY CHALLENGING ISSUES THAT I DON'T THINK ANY GROUP WOULD BE ABLE TO GET CONSENSUS ON.

CAUSE REDEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING IS JUST SUCH A COMPLICATED ISSUE WHEN IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, IT IT'S THE ULTIMATE FORM OF CHANGE.

IT'S, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH TO CONSIDER THAT POLICY GIVES US SOME TOOLS THAT WE HAVE SOME CONSENSUS ON THAT WE CAN USE TO HELP NAVIGATE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MAGIC BULLET TO SOLVE THE HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT ISSUES.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER THOSE ONE CASE AT A TIME AND CONSIDER THOSE ON THE MERITS, USE OUR POLICIES TO GUIDE OUR, OR DO THOSE.

UM, BUT WE NEED TO ULTIMATELY FOR COMMISSION THE COUNCIL AND DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TOWN CONSIDERATION OF THOSE, UM, APPLICATIONS, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, PROTON, UH, DRIVE ISSUE.

UM, I THINK THERE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME LAYERS TO THAT.

UM, I THINK THE LANGUAGE ON THE MAP IS PROBABLY, UH, UNNECESSARILY, UH, STRONG.

SO USING TERMS LIKE MAJOR, UM, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE CONNECTION, UM, IN THAT, UH, STUDY AREA, THAT'S INTENDED TO BE ANYTHING MORE THAN A LOCAL STREET CONNECTION.

SO A LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND MAYBE SOME PARKING, UM, THE STREET IT'S INTENDED TO BE A WALKABLE AREA, A BIG POINT OF EMPHASIS FOR THE COMMITTEE WAS TO NOT HAVE STRAIGHT SHOTS OF COLLECT LIKE A COLLECTOR THROUGH THE STUDY AREA.

SO WHATEVER CONNECTION THAT WOULD BE MADE IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S, UH, AN INTENT TO HAVE LOTS OF JOGS AND TURNS AND THOSE CONNECTIONS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE AREA, BUT IT'S NOT MORE EFFICIENT THAN GETTING ON MIDWAY ROAD AND GETTING THROUGH THE AREA WHERE I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ON THE BALANCE.

NOT CONSIDERING YOU CONNECTIONS THAT COULD BE DONE EFFECTIVELY IS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FROM A PUBLIC POLICY STANDPOINT THAT WE DO TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE ACCESS TO TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

IF IT CAN BE DONE IN A WAY WHERE THE LAND USE, MAKE SENSE, OR IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE INCOMPATIBLE, UM, TYPES OF TRAFFIC WITH,

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UM, THE ADDISON GROVE ISSUE IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE.

THEY HAVE ACCESS TO TRAFFIC SIGNALS TO GET ON THE BELTLINE ROAD.

WHEN YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH IN THE STUDY AREA, THERE IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT BELTWAY, AND THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT APPROACH THE AREA CAN DEVELOP JUST FINE AND NOT HAVE MAJOR ISSUES ON MIDWAY WITH NOT PROVIDING ACCESS TO TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

BUT IF YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT SAFELY, AND TO GET PEOPLE WHO MAY BE UNCOMFORTABLE, MAKING A LEFT TURN ONTO MIDWAY THAT OPPORTUNITY, I THINK THAT'S A WIN.

IT ULTIMATELY MAKES THE ROAD SAFER, BUT YOU HAVE TO REALLY ENSURE YOU DO IT IN A WAY THAT ISN'T GOING TO CREATE INCOMPATIBILITIES AND THIRD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

ONE OF OUR CHALLENGING ASPECTS OF THE PLAN, UM, AND HOW WE APPLIED AND PROBABLY SPEAKS TO WHY IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE SOME OF THOSE CONNECTIONS FROM THE PLAN NOW, BUT TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION IS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE DETAILED LANE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT'S, IT'S INTENDED TO BE FLEXIBLE AND IDENTIFY AS A MIX OF USES, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY X RANGE OF LAND USES NEED TO OCCUR HERE.

WHY BRAIN'S WAY IN NUISANCE NEED TO OCCUR HERE.

SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY WHETHER SOMETHING COULD BE DONE COMPATIBILITY, UH, OR NOT.

UM, IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL ACTUALLY OCCUR THERE, UM, ONE THING I WILL SHARE ON THAT ISSUE, UM, AND THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE KNEW UNTIL THIS WEEK, UM, THE RESIDENTS IN HOTEL, UM, ADJACENT THE PROTON DID RECENTLY GO UP FOR AUCTION.

IT WOULD GO UP FOR AUCTION IN AUGUST.

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HOTEL IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UM, ANYTIME PROPERTY CHANGES THAT COULD CERTAINLY MEAN CHANGE FOR THAT PROPERTY.

UM, IT APPEARS TO BE A WELL FUNCTIONING AND HOTEL AND PROBABLY AN ATTRACTIVE INVESTMENT FOR SOMEONE WHO INVEST IN THAT CLASS REAL ESTATE.

BUT IT'S OUT THERE TO BE ACQUIRED CROP OFF.

NO, THE RESIDENTS JUST SOUTH OF THE, WHAT WHAT'S THE HOTEL EXCUSE ME.

THAT THAT'S THE COURTYARD.

OKAY.

I'M LIKE, THERE'S A COURTROOM I'M REALLY MISSING AT THE HOTEL THEN THE COURTYARD WHERE THEY JUST PUT ALL THAT MONEY IN IT.

WOW.

WOW.

OKAY.

AND I THINK YOU DID HIT UPON A GOOD POINT AS FAR AS THE BECAUSE IN A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION STUDY, MAJOR ARTERIAL AND MINOR ARTERIAL BELTWAY AND LAY LOCKS AND OTHERS, I THINK HAVING THIS AS A MAJOR AND MINOR IS CONFUSING.

SO I WOULD CERTAINLY THAT ONE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE BEST PLACE TO AIR THIS DIFFERENT GRIEVANCE I REMAIN, BUT YOU BROUGHT UP LAST MONTH AND I THINK HAS BEEN MENTIONED A COUPLE OF LETTER THAT IS A STUDY REALLY NEEDS TO BE RENAMED IT FOR ALL OF US.

WHO'VE BEEN AROUND FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.

THAT HAS A VERY NEGATIVE CONNOTATION.

I UNDERSTAND IT IS THE OLD SAM'S CLUB STUDY THAT DIDN'T HIT THIS PART OF THE WORLD, AND THIS IS A RESURRECTION ON THAT, BUT IT'S AN AREA THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN SAM'S CLUB.

AND SO I THINK AS I'VE READ THROUGH SOME OF THESE LETTERS, IT JUST TOOK ME BACK TO THOSE DAYS, 10, 12 YEARS AGO, AND VERY CONTENTIOUS AREA, A LOT OF NEGATIVE FEELINGS.

AND SO I THINK SOME OF THEM MAYBE ARE DENIED AS IN BLAKE'S CONFUSION, IF THIS IS STILL THAT SAME, SAME, SAME SENTENCE THING.

SO I REALLY URGE YOU IN THE COMMITTEE AS YOU TAKE THE SENIOR COUNCIL TO RETHINK THAT.

WELL, I GAVE KEN A SUGGESTION TOMORROW.

I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH KEN ABOUT PUMPING LIFE THROUGHOUT FOR AN IDEA BECAUSE SOMETHING I WAS READING LAST NIGHT, IT WAS ALL THESE OLD NAMES LIKE MIDWAY CALM.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST TIRED AND WE'RE A DIFFERENT SOMETHING HIP AND FANS CAN, I'LL KIND OF, WE'LL SEE IF I MAKE ANY PROGRESS TOMORROW.

AND IF NOT, WE'LL THROW IT BACK OUT THE COMMITTEE.

YEAH.

IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO DO TO KICK OFF THE PROJECT, BUT THE TRICK WAS BALANCING AND ENSURING THAT WE WEREN'T STARTING A PROCESS THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH AND WANTED EVERYONE WHO WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT SAM'S CLUB TO KNOW THAT WE WERE TAKING A RUN AT COMPLETING THE PROCESS.

SO I HOPE WE'RE THERE.

AND I THINK A BIG POINT OF CELEBRATION IF WE'RE THERE, IS TO DO THAT RENAMING, UM, TO KIND OF POLICY POLICIES ABOUT THIS.

SO ONE OF THOSE, UH, CROSSING THINGS GOES ACROSS RIDING THE TRAIL.

I JUST DON'T THINK ANYTIME WITH COLOR AND PEDESTRIAN, THIS LITTLE SEGMENT,

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AND THEN, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT GREENHAND SCHOOL, AT LEAST NOW DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PATH.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO CONTINUE IT FROM WRITING JOB DOWN THERE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT OFFICE BUILDING IS PUTTING IN A LOT OF THEY'RE RENOVATING IT AND PUTTING IN A LOT OF MONEY.

SO I THINK THEY'RE, I KNOW THAT THEY TYPICALLY HAVEN'T HAD VERY MANY CARS OUT THERE, BUT WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH PUTTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THAT, I WONDER IF THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THAT PARKING.

SO IF WE'RE NOT HAVING THE TRAIL, MAYBE THAT GIVES THEM MORE.

I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW HOW THINGS CHANGE.

I MEAN, SAY THE BOOK, SAY THE LITTLE OFFICE BILL, HE GETS WHATEVER.

MAYBE GREENHILL NEEDS TO BUY LAND.

THEY BUY THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THEY DO WANT THE ROAD.

I MEAN, I JUST DON'T THINK YOU JUST SAY, IT'S NOT JUST CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T WANT AND JUST THEY GET FLEXIBLE.

IF IT HAPPENS, IT HAPPENS.

IT DOES, IT DOES IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T.

THERE ARE PEOPLE ALONE THERE THAT THEIR HOUSES ARE ALREADY BUILT.

THEY'RE BACK UP TO IT.

SO THEY WANT TO TALK A, SO LET'S PUT UP A TALL WALL.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE POINT THAT CAMERA'S TRYING TO MAKE WAS BORN.

THERE WAS NOT CONSENSUS AMONG THE COMMITTEE DECIDED WAS PROBABLY DEBATED, HAS BEEN RAISED AS SOME CONCERNS.

BUT AS, AS DENISE SAYS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS PLACE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE 20, 25, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, AND THINGS ARE GOING TO LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

AND SO I DON'T WANT, I, HOPEFULLY WE DON'T GET INTO GET PICKINGS AND WITH THE COMMITTEE AND LOOKING AT SPECIFIC ITEMS, THE OVERALL IS IT'S A GUIDANCE FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS, BUT I THINK IT WAS THE POLICY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT A POLICY QUESTION.

SO ONE WAS ABOUT CARS PAST GOING OVER WHERE PEDESTRIANS WERE ENCOURAGING PEDESTRIANS.

SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT PLAYING ACROSS THE RENTING TROUT.

THE SECOND IS IF HOUSES ALREADY EXIST AND THEY BACK UP AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE WANT THE HOUSES TO FACE THE TRAILS, RIGHT? HAND'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SECURITY ISSUE, WHICH ADDRESS ME LAST TIME.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE HOUSES ARE BUILT AND THEY BACKED UP TO IT.

OBVIOUSLY WE CAN TURN IT AROUND, RIGHT? SO I WOULD LIKE IN THE POLICY, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THE, IF WE DO LEAVE IT, THAT WHEN WE BUILD IT, WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT WALL IS 10, 12, WHATEVER TALL IT HAS TO BE.

BUT YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES THOSE PEOPLE, THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE COMING THROUGH WITH IT VERSUS TRYING TO MAKE IT OPEN.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS TWO POLICIES.

ONE, TRY NOT TO HAVE CARS CROSS OVER ENCOURAGING PEDESTRIANS TO BE A NUMBER TWO, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BUILDING NEW HOUSES TO PLACE THESE AMOUNTS OF GRAIN FOR SECURITY, TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE HOUSE IS ALREADY BACK UP TO, IT MIGHT NEED A WALL.

AND THE QUESTION IS, DOES THAT IMPACT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ON BELTWAY AT JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO IT'S RIGHT HERE, THIS LITTLE JOB THAT GOES ACROSS, RIGHT? WHERE THERE WE'RE JUST PROPOSING THAT YOU HAVE THAT PROCESSING.

I'M JUST SAYING THINGS LIKE THAT.

I JUST, MY PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THE LAW POLICY IS, IS IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ABOUT WHAT A USELESS, I MEAN, CERTAIN PLACES THERE MIGHT BE A WALLS THAT APPROPRIATE AND OTHER PLACES THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, IF I'M A TOWNHOUSE, A HOMEOWNER, A WHATEVER.

AND I BACK UP TO THE BACKSIDE OF A RETAIL BUILDING THAT IT'S THEIR DUMPSTERS AND ONE OF THEIR TRUCKS COME, I WANT A WALL, RIGHT? IF IT'S A TOWNHOUSE IN A PARK AREA, I DON'T WANT TO WALK AND YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL SOMETHING'S THERE.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE A PARTY.

I SAY IT'S A WALL.

I'M SAYING THAT IT SHOULD BE A POLICY THAT IF THERE'S HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE BACKING UP TO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CREATING, THAT'S NEW IS THIS JOHN HERE IS A NEW PATH.

HOMEOWNERS SHOULD CHOOSE, OR THE DECISION SHOULD BE BASED ON WHAT IS BUILT.

THERE, THERE SHOULD NOT BE A HARD, FAST RULE.

IT'S JUST THAT YOU WANTED TO ROLL POLICY TO LOOK AT THE RULES, THAT IF THE POLICY IS THAT IF THE OTHERS ALREADY NEIGHBORHOODS BACKING UP TO SOMETHING THAT'S BEING DO THAT, YOU GO TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU SAY HE WANT A WALL OR NOT.

SO THIS IS A REALLY, THIS IS A REALLY COMMON CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IN PLANNING, RESTART TO MERGE VISIONS AND REGULATIONS.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE ENOUGH TEETH ENVISIONED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE YOU'RE GETTING AT, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE IS COMPATIBILITY, BUT YOU DON'T WANT SO SOMETHING SO STRICT, UNLESS IT'S, THAT'S THE COMMUNITY'S ABSOLUTE NEED THAT YOU NEED TO PIN SOMETHING DOWN TO SOMETHING VERY FINITE.

AND WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT ARE LIKE THAT.

BUT, UM, THE ISSUE OF THE TYPE OF SCREENING BETWEEN A COMMON AREA AND A HOME OR A COMMON AREA IN A BUSINESS, WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THAT COMPATIBILITY NEEDS TO BE ACHIEVED, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOOLS AND DEVELOPER AND STAFF AND THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL CAN, CAN WORK TOGETHER ON TO

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SO I DO AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE LANGUAGE IT'S, IT'S BEEN A CONCERN OF SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DOWN THERE, UM, THAT, UH, MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, MEASURES NEED TO BE ACHIEVED, UM, IN FEATURE.

UM, BUT WE SHOULD EVALUATE IN THE FUTURE THAT IN THE FUTURE, BASED ON THE USE THAT, UM, IF IT EVER REDEVELOPS ON THE TOPIC OF THAT AREA, UM, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

AND THERE'S THAT LOT OF INVESTMENT AT MIDWAY ATRIUM.

AND WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT REDEVELOPING TRANSFER IN A TRANSFORMATIONAL WAY IS UNLIKELY.

CERTAINLY THE CROWNE PLAZA, SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN THERE AND WE DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

UM, BUT THE MIDWAY ATRIUM IS POSITIONED THEMSELVES TO, TO SERVE AS HIGH QUALITY OFFICE SPACE.

SO, UM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE POLICY, UH, TO HAVE A TRAIL AND GREENBELT IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESPIRATORY DEVELOPED NOW.

BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.

IT REALLY IS NO HARM TO THE OFFICE USE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM DO IT WHILE THEY'RE OPERATING AS THEIR EXISTING USE.

BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, IF THEIR TORNADO HAPPENED AND KNOCK THOSE BUILDINGS DOWN, IF, UH, SOME SOMETHING TRANSFORMATIONAL HAPPENED TO HOW WE USE OFFICE SPACE, IT COULD CHANGE.

AND IF IT CHANGED A DIFFERENT USE THAT REALLY NEEDS OPEN SPACE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT TO SUPPORT FORCE THEM TO DO OPEN SPACE.

STAFF IS A BIG DISADVANTAGE IN THAT DISCUSSION.

SO THERE'S NO HARM TO THEM NOW, AND THEY CONTINUE TO, UM, USE THE SITE AND HOW THEY USE IT.

BUT IF THEY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, WE AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO NEGOTIATE WELL, AND THAT WALL IS THE OFFICE BUILDINGS WALL, NOT THIS CONDO OWNERS, I THINK MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ESTABLISH THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE, BUT I UNDERSTAND WE HAD VERY CHALLENGED LAND RECORDS IN THAT AREA.

OKAY.

QUESTION ABOUT THIS, WE BACK TO THIS, CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMENTARY ABOUT STOP SIGNS AND OTHER THINGS THROUGH, CAN YOU ADD MAYBE SOME, BUT THAT'S ABOUT CLARIFYING HOW THESE ROADS WOULD ACTUALLY WORKING HERE? I GET INTO TOO MUCH SPECIFICS.

IT'S PROBABLY GETTING INTO TOO MUCH TO CIVICS.

I THINK IF SO LONG AS THERE'S SOME EMPOWERMENT OF STAFF IN THE POLICY, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY EVEN NEED TO HAVE LINES IN THE PLAN, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ARM FOR STAFF TO APPLY A HIGHER LEVEL OF TECHNICAL ANALYSIS AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, TO ENSURE THAT WHERE STREETS ARE ADDED, IT'S DONE SAFELY.

AND IT MAKES SENSE.

WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT WHEN WE DO THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL AT VISION.

SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY WHERE A STOP SIGN IS NEEDED.

CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE USE, BUT WE DO TAKE THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT REMOVE CONNECTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WITHOUT ADDITIONAL DETAIL AND DO THE NEEDED ANALYSIS WHEN AN ACTUAL PROJECT COMES FORWARD.

CAN, I'VE GOT A POINT OF ORDER IF WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS, IF, IF THE AUTHOR OF A PARTICULAR LETTERING NOW IS NOT THE MEETING, I GUESS IT'S THE ATTENTION THAT I READ ENTIRE EMAIL LETTER INTO THE RECORD.

CAN WE SIMPLY PUT THESE INTO THE RECORD AS NOTED? I HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED, UH, THE ADDISON WAY OF DOING THAT, UH, CITIES THAT I'VE WORKED IN GENERALLY.

UM, NOT YET, UM, NOTED, UH, RESPONSES SETS GET POSTED ONLINE.

SO WHETHER IT'S, IF IT'S BEFORE THE MEETING THAT GOES IN THE PACKET AFTER THE MEETING, WE CAN POST IT ONLINE TO, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME FOR THE MEETING.

MAYBE, UH, IT MAY MAKE SENSE MORE THAN A SUMMARY, THE OPPOSITION VERSUS READ IT VERBATIM.

CAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE REPETITIVE, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO YOU A CHAIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF THE PERSON IS THE PERSON WHO WROTE AN EMAIL.

YES.

I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO JUST PUT THEM IN ON THE PACKET FOR PEOPLE OR RATHER THIS ATTEMPT TO SUMMARIZE IN CASE THAT SUMMARIZES THAT NOT PERCEIVED AS AN ACCURATE SALARY BY THE AUTHOR, BUT ONLINE, IF THE, UH, IF THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN AND THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT IS ACTUALLY HERE TO MIND, WHICH IS TO SPEAK.

UM, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST NOTE THE LETTER AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE THE PERSON TO BE RIGHT.

UM, ON ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER, UM, IN THE SAM SLOPE STUDY IS THE TOWN IS CONSIDERED THE APPLICANT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, SUCH THAT WHEN WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, I CAN SKIP STRAIGHT TO CITIZEN INPUT AS OPPOSED TO IS THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? YES, SIR.

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AND I KNOW I'VE BROKEN RECORD, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET ACROSS IN WAY.

UM, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY MENTIONED IN THIS STUDY.

SO I WAS HOPING TO SEE MORE THAT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIT, WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

IS THERE MULTIPLE WAYS TO BUILD OR CONSTRUCT ACROSS WALL? AND THAT'S NOT REALLY MENTIONED AT ALL.

THAT IS SOMETHING, UM, THAT THE FOLKS BEHIND ME ARE, ARE WORKING ON.

UM, ONE OF THE, THE PLANNED, UM, MAJOR TRAILS, UH, IN TOWN, IT'S ACTUALLY THE, MAKE A CONNECTION EAST AND EVENTUALLY, SO TO CONTINUE THE RUNNING TRAIL THROUGH THE UTILITY CORRIDOR OR, AND CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOOP.

SO THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE A, A MAJOR CROPS IN THAT MIDWAY, UM, A BIG CONSIDERATION OF THAT.

IT'S HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SAFE? SO WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE ON BELTLINE WHERE WE HAVE A SIGNAL FROM PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED AND HOW THAT CAN BE COORDINATED WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, THAT BELTWAY PROGRAM.

YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.

BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL GIVE YOU THOSE CROSSWALKS A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUT ENOUGH THOUGHT INTO GETTING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE STUFF DOWN ON MIDWAY AND PRESTON, BOTH AT ABOUT NORTH SOUTH AND WARPIT, I MEAN, THOSE ARE DONE REALLY WELL.

AND I MEAN, I I'VE JUST GOTTEN SO USED TO PAYING ATTENTION TO IT AND I MEAN, I WATCHED PEOPLE AND YEAH, IT GETS IT.

YOU, YOU SLOWED DOWN AND STOPPED AT THE RED LIGHT AND THEN SOLID RED YOU STOP.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE NOW JUST SOUTH OF, OR WEST OF SOLDIERS, FRIEND JASMINE.

OH YES.

AND SOME PEOPLE GET INTO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

OH, GOOD COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEMS? YEAH, I HAVE ONE OF THEM, SORRY ABOUT THAT TOWN.

SO I'M GOING TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID LAST WEEK HAD 17 CITIZENS PARTICIPATE IN THIS STUDY.

WE HAD SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE STAFF THAT WE HAD ALL OF THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

SO THERE WAS A LOT OF EYES THAT WERE ON THIS, AND THIS WAS A BIG, BIG ISSUE.

AND UNDER YOUR RECOMMENDATION, ONE OF THE FIRST SENTENCE THAT YOU HAVE IS THIS PLAN IS NOT PERFECT, BUT IT GIVES THE TOWN SOME TOOLS TO HELP NAVIGATE THE THREE KEY REDEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS, SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBILITY AND HOUSING TO MAKE THEM ALL WE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT.

I THINK THAT SUMS IT UP, THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO NAIL EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING WE DO, NOBODY DOES THAT.

AND IF THEY DO IT, THEY GET HAMSTRUNG BECAUSE THAT'S THE, WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE.

SO IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S PRETTY HARD.

OKAY.

A LOT OF GOOD QUESTION.

THAT PROBABLY MEANS IT'S GOING TO BE A SHORT MEETING TONIGHT ON THAT.

SO I'M ALL RIGHT.

I'M THE MID LATE DEVELOPMENTS, THE NEXT ITEM.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR US? UM, OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS? UM, NOT ANYTHING SPECIFIC ON ITEM.

I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT SIMILAR TO THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY, WE DID RECEIVE SOME ADDITIONAL CITIZEN FEEDBACK LEADING INTO THE MEETING.

WE DID PROVIDE, AS THOSE CAME IN.

WE TRIED TO EMAIL THOSE TO YOU, AND I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF EMAILS TO TRACK.

AND THEN LESLIE HAS ALSO PROVIDED DOCUMENTS AS WELL AS PRINT OUTS FOR YOU, UM, AT YOUR POSITION ON THE DAYAS HERE.

UM, A LOT OF THE GENERAL TONE OF THAT FEEDBACK IS, IS, UM, RELATED TO HOUSING POLICIES.

WE DO OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT THAT WILL COME UP AS A COMPONENT OF THIS DISCUSSION AND THEN ALSO HOW THE SAME CLUBS THAT HE APPLIES TO THAT PROJECT, WHICH WE TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY IS A KEY COMPONENT.

ANOTHER VIEW OF THIS APPLICATION THEN WANT TO CONTINUE TO EMPHASIZE THAT THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS NEED TO CONSIDER THEM SEPARATELY.

THE POLICY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR THE TOWN AND THE ZONING CASE NEEDS TO STAND ON ITS OWN MERIT IF THE TOWN, ET CETERA.

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SO DURING SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WE DISCUSSED, I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW THE GAME PLAN IS YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO A MORE FORMAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY MORE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE BACKUP PLAN IS, IS IT FEASIBLE, EVEN IF IT'S A POINT IN TIME IN CYCLE IN THE BUSINESS THAT THAT LAND DOESN'T SELL, WHAT THE GAME PLAN WOULD BE? WE HAVE, I WANT THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT AND MORE DETAILS IN THE, IN THE REGULAR MEETING, THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS, UM, SAY, UM, SO SOME OF THE CRITIQUES, THE TOWN GETS AS IT TO, UM, OUR SUPPORT FOR FEE SYMBOL HOUSING IS WHETHER WE HAVE INCENTIVES AND WHETHER WE SHOULD APPLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES WOULD BE SYMBOL HOUSING.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I POSE TO AMALIE IS IF THEY FAIL TO PERFORM, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY'LL DO, BUT IF THEY DO FAIL TO PERFORM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO ACQUIRE THOSE LOTS, A LOTS OF BE FULLY DEVELOPED AND READY TO BE BUILT, UM, BUT SOMETHING FOR BOTH THE TOWN AND ANALYTIC CONSIDER AND THEY NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT WHEN THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY POSED IS, UM, AND THEY THAT THE FAILURE TO PERFORM, WHICH THEY ALSO STRONGLY EMPHASIZE THAT THEY WILL NOT BE AT THAT POINT, UM, CONVERTING IT TO ADDITIONAL PARK AND OPEN SPACE AND THEM IMPROVING IT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE SITES.

SO HEAVILY LANDSCAPE AND, UH, MONETIZE.

AND THOSE ARE TWO OPTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ANY, UM, THOUGHTS ON EITHER OF THOSE OR LIKE TO THROW OUT ADDITIONAL OPTIONS, CERTAINLY OPEN TO CONSIDERING THAT AND WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT WHEN THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND ANY TIMEFRAMES DISCUSSED, LIKE WHAT, I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THEY WON'T EVEN REALLY BE, I MEAN, DURING SOME TIME DURING THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AGAIN, I MEAN, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING WITH DEVELOPERS AND POTENTIALLY SELLING IT, BUT THEY WOULDN'T START CONSTRUCTION FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

AT WHAT POINT OF VIEW IS DISCUSSED THAT IF THEY DON'T SELL LAND BY A SPECIFIC TIME, OR HAVE YOU NOT GOTTEN TO THAT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT, I THINK I WOULD WANT TO BE PRETTY AGGRESSIVE ON THAT.

I SEE NO REASON WHY THEY COULDN'T, UM, UH, ENGAGE WITH A HOME BUILDER, UH, ON THOSE LAWNS.

IT KIND OF FITS THE SWEET SPOT OF SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS AND ADDISON, AND THAT IT'S NOT A LARGE EXPANSIVE PROJECT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL, YOU DON'T ONLY HAVE A FEW SELECT HOME BUILDERS THAT CAN ACHIEVE SOMETHING TO THAT SCALE.

THERE'S A LOT OF SMALLER DEVELOPERS THAT CAN VERY EASILY CRANK OUT 30 TOWNHOMES.

WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT PROJECTS AND THE SCALE OF ADDISON GROVE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 178 TOWNHOMES, THERE'S NOT MANY TOWNHOME DEVELOPERS THAT CAN DO THAT AT THAT PRICE POINT.

SO, RIGHT.

BUT WHAT I'M GETTING MORE AT IS IS IF YOU'RE EXPECTING SOMEBODY TO GO TAKE DOWN THE LAND AND SIT LAND BANK IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT STORY THAN SOMEBODY GETTING EMILY UNDER CONTRACT AND THEN GIVING THE FAMILY A DEPOSIT AND SITTING WITH A DEPOSIT SITUATION FOR THE TIMEFRAME IN WHICH EMILY BUILDS THEIR PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, THEY CAN WALK INTO POSIT IN TWO YEARS IF THE CONDO MARKET TOP FOUR SELL TOWNHOUSE MARKET IS NOT THERE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

AND HERE YOU ARE, 36 MONTHS LATER, NO DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU GO NO LANDOWNER.

AND THAT THAT'S MORE A WORD I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT HER.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WITH ANY AGREEMENT YOU HAVE TO HAVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND HAVING PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT WILL RUN WITH THE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S AMALIE OR A TOWNHOME BUILDER, THAT'S CRITICAL.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THE GOALS THAT WE NEED TO ACHIEVE TO THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICS, CRISPIN, AND THEN A REMINDER, EVERYONE TURN ON YOUR MARK.

SO JUST A QUESTION ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS THE PLAN ON, ON THOSE BLOCKS? IS IT THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THE RAW LAND TO A DEVELOPER OR ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO DEVELOP A LOT? WE NEED TO MAKE IT ESSENTIALLY A READY SITE.

THEIR PROPOSAL IS TO MAKE IT A BUILD READY SITE.

SO THERE WILL BE INVESTMENT MADE IN THOSE LOTS, WHICH COULD BE THAT'S REMOVING ANOTHER BARRIER TO A SMALL HOME BUILDER VERSUS A LARGE, OKAY.

WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED A NUMBER OF LETTERS ON THIS TOPIC.

UM, AGAIN, , BUT I WILL FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURE AT THE SAM'S

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I'LL TRY TO SUMMARIZE AND RECORD.

AND, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE COME IN, UM, THERE ARE SOME CARDS YOU NEED TO FILL OUT IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON EITHER ONE OF THESE TOPICS FOR TONIGHT SAM'S CLUB.

UM, AND THEN, UM, PROVIDE THOSE LESLIE OVER HERE.

UM, YOUNGEST ONE, UM, AND THEN RANDOMLY, CAN, I THINK I DO WANT YOU TO US THE OTHER DAY, OR YOU AS A POLICY OR HE IS SENDING THIS OUT WHEN PEOPLE SEND IN COMMENTARY OR NOT, OR IS IT JUST BEING KNOWN THAT IT'S OUT ON THE WEBSITE OR NOT? WE HAVE NOT.

WE PUT IN THE P AND Z PACKET, IT'S REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT IN MY PRESENTATION.

UM, CERTAINLY, UH, HOPE TO SEE PEOPLE READ THAT.

AND, UH, FOLKS MAY NOT AGREE WITH ALL THE CONCLUSIONS IN THERE, BUT IT IS OUR STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THE, THE VERY CHALLENGING HOUSING POLICY ISSUES THAT NOT ONLY ADDISON PHASES, BUT OUR REGION AND OUR COUNTRY FACES.

AND SO IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT ISSUE.

UM, ADDISON IS IN THE SAME BOAT AS A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IN THAT IT'S A, IT'S A STRUGGLE TO WORK THROUGH THESE CHALLENGING ISSUES.

EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO EVERYONE'S OPINION MAKES OUR COUNTRY GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

NOT UNTIL WE ARE GERMAN UNTIL SIX O'CLOCK.

THANK YOU.