* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] YEAH, [1. Call Meeting to Order] CAUSE WORK SESSION, ASK THEM PLANNING PERMISSION OR TUESDAY, JUNE 21ST, 2020 TO 5:00 PM. CAN YOU WANT TO START OFF BY INTRODUCING A NEW PLANNING DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY. I'M VERY HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT INTRODUCTION. SO, UM, LESLIE NIGHT IS OUR MAIN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. LESLIE JOINS US, UH, FROM THE CITY OF MESQUITE. UH, SHE WAS A PLANNER THERE FOR THREE YEARS, UM, PRIOR TO HER TENURE IN THE SKEET. UH, SHE WAS A STUDENT AT KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY WHERE SHE OBTAINED A BACHELOR'S AND MASTER'S DEGREE IN URBAN PLANNING. UH, LESLIE HAD A VERY COMPETITIVE, UM, RECRUITMENT PROCESS. UM, AND SHE DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB. AND SHE'S BEEN WITH US NOW FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, I THINK, SIX WEEKS NOW. UH, AND IT'S JUST REALLY, UH, TAKING THROUGH OUR TEAM AND WE'LL DO OUTSTANDING WORK, UH, ON OUR PLANNING PROGRAM AND WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION. SO VERY HAPPY TO INTRODUCE LESLIE. [1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.] UH, SO KEN, CAN YOU NOW JUST KIND A STATUS UPDATE ON SOME OF THE RECENT CASES, BECAUSE YET? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, WE DID NOT HAVE A COMMISSION MEETING LAST MONTH DUE TO LACK OF ITEMS FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION. UH, THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETING, THE APRIL MEETING, YOU DID HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT YOU TOOK ACTION ON THAT EVENTUALLY MOVED FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL. SO THOSE ITEMS WHERE THE SWEET GREEN AND POSTING NOW A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUESTS FROM ALL OVER THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MONTFORT AND BELTLINE, THOSE WERE BOTH APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY CITY COUNCIL AND OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE STARTING TO WORK THROUGH THEIR REMAINING DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS TO START REMODELING WHERE YOU HAVING THAT SITE. UM, ALSO, UM, FOR THIS MEETING, UH, PROVIDED, UH, A HANDOUT AND WE'LL GO OVER IT. UM, THE, UM, SCREEN HERE AS WELL, YOU TO PULL THAT UP, LESLIE, AND SHARE THE SCREEN, UM, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DISCUSS THE STATUS OF OUR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM WORK PLAN, UM, DUE TO OUR STAFFING, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, UH, SIX MONTHS OR SO IT, I HAVE NOT MADE AS MUCH PROGRESS ON THIS AS I WANTED, BUT NOW THAT WE DO HAVE LESLIE ON BOARD, UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, HIT A MAJOR MILESTONE WITH ONE OF MY LARGER PROJECTS, THE SAME SLOW STUDY. UM, I WILL HAVE AN, OUR TEAM WILL HAVE MUCH MORE BANDWIDTH TO START, UM, WORKING DIRECTLY ON MANY OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU SEE ON THIS LIST. I'LL HIGHLIGHT A FEW THAT WE HAVE UPDATES ON AND DEFINITELY OPENED THE COMMISSION, UH, FEEDBACK AS WELL. UM, SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN AND WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, UM, THOSE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED CELLS, UH, THOSE, UH, ARE WHERE, UH, I'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS, UH, PRIMARILY TO THE COMPLETION TIMING. UH, SO THAT FIRST ONE, UH, GOAL NUMBER ONE RELATES TO, UH, COMPLETION OF THE REMAINING TWO PHASES OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE SECTION, UH, AS WELL AS THE, UH, SIGN, UH, SECTION OF THE CODE. UM, SO, UH, WE RECENTLY REINITIATED THAT AFTER A BIT OF A HIATUS ON THAT. SO WHILE I WAS HAVING THE STAFFING ISSUES, SO WE ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO GET, UH, THROUGH THOSE SECTIONS, UH, HERE IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. SO REALLY, UM, LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL, WE'LL GET SOMETHING ON YOUR SCHEDULES WHEN WE'RE READY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, WITH A KEY FOCUS AREA TO LONG RANGE PLANNING, UM, MADE A MODIFICATION TO THE SAM'S CLUB, SPECIAL AREA OF STUDY. UM, TONIGHT YOU'LL BE, UH, GETTING A, AN UPDATE ON THAT AND, UH, A PRESENTATION ON THE DRAFT REPORT. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE ALSO ESTABLISH A SCHEDULE FOR, UH, P AND Z ACTION AND CITY COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDERATION ACTION AS WELL. SO RIGHT NOW, AS THAT IS MAPPED OUT, THAT WOULD BE AN AUGUST, UH, COMPLETION DATE FOR THAT PROJECT ON THE SECOND ITEM ON THE LONG RANGE PLANNING RELATES TO A, UM, DESIRED INITIATIVE, UH, FOR MY DEPARTMENT AND REALLY FOR THE TOWN. AND THAT'S UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT LONG RANGE PLANNING PROJECT IS THAT IS THE, UH, GUIDING STRATEGY FOR THE EVOLUTION OF TOWN. UM, LAST YEAR WE FUNDED A PORTION OF THAT, UH, WITH THE CITY'S OPERATING BUDGET. AND THIS YEAR, UH, WE HAVE A REQUEST OF THE CITY MANAGER FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE REMAINDER, UH, REMAINING FUNDINGS ASSOCIATED [00:05:01] WITH THAT PROJECT. SO IF THAT GETS, UM, INCLUDED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET AND ULTIMATELY ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, UH, NEXT YEAR. AND IT WOULD LIKELY BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, WOULD BE TACKLED LATE IN THE FISCAL YEAR, AT LEAST INITIATED LATE IN THE FISCAL YEAR, A PROJECT LIKE THAT IS GENERALLY AT LEAST A YEAR LONG, PROBABLY MORE IN THE 18 MONTHS RANGE. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT OVER THE LONG TERM. UM, THE, UH, LAST CHANGES I MADE TO THIS DOCUMENT FALL UNDER KEY FOCUS AREA, NUMBER FIVE, UH, COMMISSION, UH, AND STAFF DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO, UM, I'VE RECENTLY PROVIDED SOME OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR ONLINE TRAINING, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION AS WELL. UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE CONDUCTING SOME TRAINING FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, UPCOMING MEETING. UM, AND THEN TODAY I'VE PROVIDED A NEW TRAINING OPPORTUNITY THAT IS AT YOUR SEAT AT DIOCESE. THAT'S A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP PUT ON BY THE TEXAS CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION. SO THAT'S MY PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION. UM, THEY, UH, UNTIL THE PANDEMIC, THEY'VE GENERALLY PUT ON ANNUAL TRAINING FOR PLANNING, COMMISSIONERS, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ADDRESS THINGS SUCH AS ZONING IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, LONG RANGE PLANNING, AND THEN ALSO ETHICS AS WELL AS A VERY GOOD TRAINING THAT'S LOCAL AND IT'S VERY AFFORDABLE. SO IT WILL BE HELD AT SOUTH LAKE COUNCIL SQUARE AT THE, UH, UH, SOUTH LAKE, UH, CITY HALL, UH, JULY 29TH, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THAT TRAINING, UH, THAT, UH, MY DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE RESOURCES FOR YOU TO, UM, FOR ME TO GET YOU SIGNED UP FOR THAT TRAINING FOR YOU TO ATTEND. SO I'D STRONGLY ENCOURAGE IT. IF YOU CAN ATTEND, IT'S A REALLY GOOD EVENT AND ALSO BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MEET COLLEAGUES IN THE REGION WHO ARE EXPERIENCING SIMILAR CHALLENGES AS BEING A PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS AND GOOD NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT, JUST, UH, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME OFFLINE, JUST ALL GOOD. UM, WITH THAT, THAT IS, THOSE ARE ALL THE UPDATES THAT I HAVE ON THE WORK PLAN, UM, WITH LESLIE ON BOARD. NOW THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I'LL BE ABLE TO GET HER TO ASSIST WITH IMMEDIATELY ON ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THERE IS THE REQUEST BY THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A BETTER SYSTEM OF RECORD KEEPING FOR COMMISSION ACTION ON PATTERSON PROJECTS AND MAKING THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU IN YOUR ONE DRIVE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL BE DIRECTING ATTENTION TO VERY SOON. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE WORK PLAN OR ANYTHING? I HAVE A COMMENT. SO LESLIE, I'M GOING TO TAKE OVER ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES, YOUR NAME IS MENTIONED ON WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP. I WOULD HAVE SET THE OVER A 10, CAN WE JUST TAKE A SHOT OR SOMETHING I'M GOOD AT SETTING A HIGH BAR OR SOMETHING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THOSE ITEMS? UM, ONE OTHER ITEM THAT'S MORE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE, UH, THAT WOULD COVER BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ITEMS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IS, UM, UH, HAD SOMETHING COME UP WHERE WE REALIZED THAT, UM, WE NEVER HAVE GOTTEN, UH, T-SHIRTS OR POLOS. I SHOULDN'T SAY TOWN POLOS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAS POLOS. SO, UM, IF THERE IS INTEREST FROM THE COMMISSION IN DOING A PLANS, I'M IN COMMISSION TOWN OF EDISON POLA, UH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN, UH, FULFILLING THAT NEED. SO, UM, WOULD BE OPEN TO YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT AND IF THERE'S ANY COLOR PREFERENCES AS WELL. UM, DEFINITELY LOVE TO HEAR THAT. WOULD YOU TAKE CARE OF, I'LL TAKE THAT AS AN ADDISON BLUEPRINT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR STARTING QUARTER 2023. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO ME? AND WHICH ITEM ARE YOU REFERENCING PLAN FOCUS THEORY TO MOLDABLE TO? YES. SO THAT WILL BE, THOSE WOULD BE APPOINTMENTS MADE, [00:10:01] UH, BY THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, TYPICALLY, UM, THE BULK OF APPOINTMENTS LIKE THAT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE WOULD BE RELEVANT, BUT, UH, IT IS NOT ABNORMAL AND IT'S TYPICALLY VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, UH, FOLKS INVOLVED IN PUBLIC AGENCY, SUCH AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UM, AND, UH, SO, BUT GENERALLY THE BULK OF THOSE APPOINTMENTS TEND TO BE RESIDENTS FOR GOOD REASON. OKAY. NOW WE GET INTO, UH, THE OTHER [2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the June 21, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting, including: Development Plan for Addison Grove, Block D (1833-Z) Draft Report for the Sam's Club Special Area Study] ITEMS ARE IF WE HAVE ONE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. AND I MEAN, THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL MEETING IS THAT WHEN A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, EDITS PUT IN TO THE DOCUMENT? I ASSUME IF THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE OBJECTION, THAT COM CONSENT AGENDA COMES UP FOR FRUIT. OKAY. NEXT IS, UH, IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ASSET GROWTH BLOCK D EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO VIEW THE ITEMS IN THE PACKAGE THAT CAN PROVIDE IT TO US. I THINK IT'S CRUDE FOR YOUR MIND, FOR YOUR MIND, THE COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU NEED TO SATISFY YOURSELVES AS TO WHETHER THE STAFF HAS DONE AN ADEQUATE JOB ABOVE ATTITUDE OF, UH, ENSURING THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS, HAS MET THE EXISTING ZONING REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE, AS FAR AS I CAN, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, AND BASICALLY WE MUST APPROVE THE APPLICATION. SO AFTER A CHANCE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS NOW, AND THEN LATER ON VERY EMERGENT MEANING TO ENSURE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT CONDITION HAS BEEN MET. UM, ALLY'S KENYAN COMMENTS ON ZEN, UH, LESLIE WILL BE PRESENTING THIS ONE. SO , SO BEFORE WESLEY IT STARTED, I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TABLING FOR THE LAST YES. SO THIS ITEM HAS BEEN TABLE SEVERAL COMMISSION MEETINGS AND IS NOW AT A POINT, WHICH IT'S PREPARED TO COME BEFORE YOU, THIS IS BLOCK D OF THE ASSET GROWTH DEVELOPMENT AND INCLUDES A 54 TOWN HOMES AND ONE, UH, OPEN SPACE LOG COURTYARD AREA. UM, STAFF HAS, UH, RENEW FOR COMPLIANCE, UH, AND DETERMINE IT HAS MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, INCLUDED IN THE PD, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR THE PROJECT BACK IN 2016, AS WELL AS, UM, THERE ARE SOME STAFF RECOMMENDED, UM, CONDITIONS AS WELL, DRY INCLUDED PACKET. OKAY. SO IT DOES REQUIRE THAT OPEN MEANING. YES, IT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, OBVIOUSLY VERY SHORT. SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE TO TALK ON THAT SUBJECT. UH, THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ON THE ZOOM CALL, UM, THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE, UM, INCLUDED IN THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION. THEY'RE A LITTLE WAY TYPICAL, AND THEY DATE BACK TO SOME ISSUES BEFORE, UH, LESLIE'S TENURE HERE. UM, BUT IT'S THE INTENT OF THOSE IS TO TRY TO CLEAN UP, UH, SOME THINGS THAT, UH, JUST NEED SOME REFINEMENT, UM, AND, UM, ENSURE THAT THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER, THE HOME BUILDER THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THEIR NEEDS, TYPICALLY ON THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE, UH, WITH THE, UH, NEED COMPLETION OF THE OPEN SPACE AND PHASE ONE, THERE'S STILL SOME OUTSTANDING ITEMS THERE. SO WE DON'T WANT THEM TO CHARGE AHEAD ON THE NEW PHASE BEFORE THOSE GET COMPLETED. BUT THEN, UM, ALSO, UM, THERE IS SOME NEED TO EXTEND, UM, UH, UTILITIES FOR THIS PHASE, UH, AT THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE SITE, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE APPROPRIATE COVERAGE FROM A FIRE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, IN TERMS OF WATER PRESSURE HYDRANTS, UH, THERE WAS AN EXTENSION THAT GOT DEFERRED EARLIER IN THIS PROJECT THAT NOW NEEDS TO OCCUR BECAUSE IT'S REALLY SERVING THIS NEW BLOCK. SO IT'S A CONNECTION FROM A WATER LINE CONNECTION FROM THIS BLOCK TO A WATERLINE IN BELTWAY DRIVE. AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IN THE LAST ISSUE THAT WE'RE REALLY, ISN'T A ZONING ISSUE. AND, UM, IT'S, UH, BUT IT'S MORE OF A COURTESY ISSUE AND REINFORCING SOMETHING THAT WE REINFORCED MANY TIMES WITH THE APPLICANT AND, AND THAT'S TO ENSURE THAT [00:15:01] THE TOWN GETS ADEQUATE PUBLIC NOTICE BEFORE ANY MODIFICATIONS ARE MADE TO THE SAM'S CLUB WALLS THAT SEPARATES THIS PROJECT, UH, FROM, UM, BELTWAY DRIVE PREMATURE OUT. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE JUST CAUSE PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ME, WHAT IS THE HOLD UP ON THE BACK PHASE, THE TOWNHOUSES WHERE THE WALLS BEEN TORN OUT. I'VE HAD NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKING ME WHY WE STALLED OUT. SO AS OF TWO DAYS AGO, I CAN SAY THERE'S NO LONGER ANY HOLDUPS. UM, BUT WHAT WAS THE HOLDUP FOR, UH, MONTHS REALLY, UM, IS A CHALLENGE THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS KIND OF FACED THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT AND THAT'S, UH, GETTING PERMITS APPROVED. AND THEN AS THE, UH, BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS FOR THE LOTS, UH, ARE, UH, ONGOING, UH, THEY'VE MADE CHANGES TO THE PLANS AND CHANGES IN THE FIELDS THAT ARE NOT BEING SENT BACK TO THE TOWN FOR REVIEW AND FOR CODE COMPLIANCE. SO TYPICALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY'LL CALL ON AN INSPECTION FOR A PARTICULAR COMPONENT OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CALL WHEN AN INSPECTION FOR OUR INSPECTORS WILL PICK UP THINGS THAT DON'T MATCH THE APPROVED PLANS. AND SO IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, THEY MADE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE FOUNDATION DESIGN, UH, FOR THOSE BUILDINGS AND GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF A FOUNDATION. AND IN PARTICULAR, THOSE BUILDINGS, THEY CIGARETTES ALSO SERVE AS A RETAINING WALL, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN GRADE IN THAT AREA, ENSURING THAT THOSE CHANGES WOULD NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THOSE HOMES, AS WELL AS THE, UH, ADJACENT TOWN PROPERTY OF THAT PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, UM, WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. SO THEY ESSENTIALLY HAD TO, UM, PROVE UP THEIR DESIGN, NOT ONLY BY SUBMITTING PLANS THAT WERE SIGNED OFF BY THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FOR THAT PROJECT, BUT ALSO DOING TESTING IN THE FIELD ON WHAT WAS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED TO SHOW THAT YES, IT, ALL OF THIS MEETS CODES, IT'S A DIFFERENT DESIGN FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, BUT THE CODE IT'S STILL COMPLIANT WITH THE BUILDING CODES AND IT'S A STRUCTURALLY SOUND BUILDING. UH, THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. IT WAS A VERY LONG PROCESS FOR THEM TO DO THAT. THEY JUST FINISHED SEVERAL DAYS AGO. UM, SO AT THE MOMENT, UH, IN TIME IS CAUGHT UP ON THE TOWN IS CAUGHT UP WITH ALL ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT COVID LOGISTIC GETTING MATERIAL ISSUE. SOME OF IT STARTED WITH THAT. OKAY. I THOUGHT I HAD HEARD THAT IN THE PAST AND I'M LIKE, WHY ARE WE GOING TO ANOTHER PHASE? SO HOW IT WAS CAUGHT RELATED TO THAT THEY MADE A BUILDING FACADE MATERIAL CHANGE. AND THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE PULLING A THREAD ON THE CHEAP SWEATER AND IT, UH, RESULTED IN OTHER THINGS BEING CALLED. OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE PLAN ON THAT BACK GATE THAT GOES TO BELTWAY. THAT WAS A LOT OF CONTROVERSIAL WHEN I ORIGINALLY GOT PLANNED AND I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO ONLY BE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. IS IT STILL BEING DONE THAT WAY? THAT IS CORRECT. SO WITH THIS PHASE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL THE REQUIRED RETRACTABLE BOLLARDS. SO THOSE ARE MECHANICALLY OPERATED, NOT THE FOLLOWERS THAT YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK AND PULL OFF VERY EXPENSIVE IMPROVEMENT. UH, THEY WILL NEVER BE A OPEN PUBLIC CONNECTION TO BELTWAY FROM THAT PROJECT THAT IS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES USEFUL. SO HOW DOES IT WORK? AND, UH, I BELIEVE IT LIKELY, SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE GATES OR OTHER FEATURES LIKE THAT, YOU'RE ABLE TO USE SOMETHING CALLED AN OPTICOM. UM, IT'S SOME, UH, UH, UH, UH, ELECTRONIC DEVICE THAT IS INSTALLED. AND, UH, THOSE AUTOMATIC FEATURES THAT IS ALSO INSTALLED IN FIRE APPARATUS WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO, AS THE VEHICLE APPROACHES THAT FEATURE, IT SENSES THAT THE VEHICLES THERE THEN AUTOMATICALLY CAN, HEY JEN, THIS SIR. UH, SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE EXISTING FENCE AND THEN ON THE WALL. SO YOU'D PROBABLY ONLY NOTICE THIS, IF YOU LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU DRIVE BY THE FENCE A BUNCH OF TIMES EVERY DAY, BUT THEY HAVE MOVED TO THAT FENCE A LITTLE SOUTH. SO IT NOW INCLUDES SOME OF THE CREPE, MYRTLES AND TREES. SO DID THEY MOVE IT [00:20:01] JUST TO STABILIZE IT OR DID THEY MOVE IT AND ARE WE GOING TO SEE THEIR MOVE OF ALL THOSE TREES AND PRAY MURALS? UH, I DO NOT KNOW WHY THEY MOVE THAT FENCE. THAT FENCE IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY MOST FREQUENT CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES. UM, AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS FOR THAT. AND THAT IT'S A VERY HARD FENCE TO MAINTAIN BECAUSE IT CONSTANTLY BLOWS OVER THE TART CONSTANTLY. IT GETS WORN OUT, IT GETS BEATEN IN THE WEATHER, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT, WE CAN'T LET IT LOOK LIKE AN EYESORE. SO OUR STAFF WORKS WITH THEM QUITE FREQUENTLY ON THAT. I WILL NEED TO CONFIRM WHY, UH, IT HAS BEEN MOVED. UM, I SUSPECT IT'S, UM, LIKELY DUE TO, UH, THE ONGOING WORK IN THAT AREA. UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY MORE TREES WOULD BE PERMITTED TO BE REMOVED IN THAT AREA TO BRING IT UP. CORRECT. BUT WE'LL CONFIRM THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THAT, UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. AND THEN JUST, UH, CONCERNING THE EXISTING WALL, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET TO GET THE PERMIT FOR, UM, BLOCK D, WHETHER IT BE POSSIBLE TO SAY YOU CAN TAKE THE WALL DOWN UNTIL YOU MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS, RATHER THAN JUST TWO WEEK NOTICE TO TAKE THE WALL DOWN. I THINK HOW WE'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THEM. AND, AND IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU PUT AS A CONDITION AND YOUR APPROVAL, AS WELL AS YOU ONLY TAKE SEGMENTS OF THE WALL DOWN AS YOU COMPLETE, OR AS YOU INITIATE LOCK CONSTRUCTION. SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT WALL UP AND YOU PROBABLY CAN'T EVEN HAVE IT UP DUE TO HOW CLOSE THOSE HOMES ARE CONSTRUCTED TO THAT WALL. SO AS THEY START TO BUILD OUT THE HOMES THAT FRONT TO THE SOUTH, THEY WILL NEED TO TAKE DOWN SOME OF THAT WALL. OKAY. SO YOU CAN MAKE A CONDITION, YOU KNOW, THAT ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS FROM, FROM GETTING THE PERMIT FOR BLOCK, THE NEED TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE YOU TAKE DOWN ANY PORTION OF ALL. SO THE COMPLEXITY THERE IS ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS IS THAT THEY NEED TO INSTALL A WATER LINE THAT EXTENDS FROM THEIR PROJECT TO THE BELTWAY DRIVE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE DOWN A SEGMENT AT THAT LOCATION IN ORDER TO GET THAT WATER LINE INSTALLED. UM, BUT THE REMAINDER OF THE WALL SHOULD REMAIN IN PLACE UNTIL THEY START BUILDING OUT THE LOTS THAT FRONT ON THAT WALL. ALL RIGHT. AND THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP IS THERE'S A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE IN THE NOISE LEVEL THAT HITS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT THE LAW. SO OBVIOUSLY THE MORE THE WALL WE TAKE DOWN THE MOTORWAYS IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL THEY CAN REPLACE IT WITH UNIT. THAT'S JUST MY COUNTER IDEA. THAT'S IT? CAN'T ALL OF THIS HAS KIND OF SEGWAY. IF THE THINGS YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS A COUPLE THINGS. IF THEY'VE HAD A SERIES OF CODE ISSUES, OR, AND NOW WE'VE GOT THE FENCE, THE WALL, THOSE ISSUES COMING BACK IN TO PLAY HERE, YOU BEING MOVED OR BEING TORN DOWN PREMATURELY. UM, IS THERE ANY SORT OF A STICK THAT THE TOWN HAS? I MEAN, OTHER THAN JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT'S LIKE YOU GUYS DID SOMETHING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HIT YOU IN THE FARMING OR JUST, OR WHAT DO WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW FAR THEY CAN TAKE YOU AND GET AWAY WITH, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE IT THAT WAY. UM, WHAT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT AS IS, UM, THEY HAVE STAFFING CHALLENGES. UM, THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER ON THAT PROJECT AND, UM, MANY OF THOSE ISSUES CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO THOSE. THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXCUSE. ULTIMATELY, UM, THEY NEED TO MEET OUR COWS THAT NEED TO OPERATE A CONSTRUCTION SITE APPROPRIATELY. UM, THE STICK THAT WE'RE USING AND REALLY THE BIGGEST STAKE WE HAVE IS THE TOWN FOR THAT PROJECT, UH, ENTERED INTO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, AGREEMENT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT. UM, WE HAVE NOT PAID OUT, UM, THAT, UM, AGREEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S, UM, MANY PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THAT AGREEMENT. AND A LOT OF THOSE AT LEAST ON THE FRONT END. SO IT'S, IT'S SHAPED IN A WAY THAT THERE'S INSTALLMENT PAYMENTS. SO THEY HAVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES AS YOU PROGRESS THROUGH THE PROJECT. UM, THE FIRST BIG PAYMENT IS TIED TO COMPLETION THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PUBLIC PARKS. THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED THOSE PARKS, [00:25:01] UH, TO REALLY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN STARTED. ONE, UH, WAS COMPLETED PARTIALLY, BUT THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH ISSUES. UM, THEY HAVE, UH, WORK, THEY STILL NEED TO DO, UH, WITH REGARDS TO, UM, UH, RECONSTRUCTING RUNNING ROAD BETWEEN THE OAK AND BELTLINE. AND THEN THE WATER LINE THAT IS MENTIONED IN THIS CASE. SO, UH, OUR BIGGEST STICK, UH, WITH, UH, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER IS WITHHOLDING THE INCENTIVES, UM, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $6 MILLION THAT, UH, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IF THEY MEET THE PERFORMANCE METRICS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AGREEMENT. OKAY. AND OKAY, ONE THING I WOULD SAY, WHICH IS, I THINK OBVIOUS IS THEY HAVE WORKER PROBLEMS BECAUSE THERE'S NO STEADY FLOW AND WORK THERE. SO THOSE GUYS ARE GOING WHEREVER THE WORK IS, AND ONCE THEY LEAVE, WE'RE DOING ANOTHER PROJECT, GETTING THEM BACK, THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS, WHEREVER YOU USE THEM, I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR. I KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED. THAT HAPPENS. YEAH. I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. UM, KEEP IN MIND OR YOUR, UH, THE LAST THREE YEARS, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, NEARLY ANY FORM OF HOUSING, UH, EXTREMELY HIGH DEMAND, UH, TO JOB GROWTH IN THIS REGION ASSOCIATED POPULATION MIGRATION WITH PANDEMICS AND CHANGING HOW THE OFFICE ENVIRONMENT IS. AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THAT TIME PERIOD BY COMPLAINING ROUGHLY 40 SINGLE FAMILY, TOWNHOMES 40 OF THEM AT THAT PACE. IT'S A 17 YEAR PROJECT. SO IT WON'T BE AT THAT PACE FOREVER, BUT THAT'S THE CURRENT PACE. SO LET ME, WELL, WHILE WE'RE ON THAT, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. SO, UM, IT SAYS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY ARE, UM, TWO BEDROOMS AND FOUR BEDROOMS FROM 1500 TO 4,100, SO OF THOSE 54 UNITS, HOW MANY OF THOSE WILL BE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT UNITS? I THINK WE'D HAVE TO REVIEW THE PLANS AND COSTS. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE UNIT PRICE? YES. UM, I WOULD SAY MIKE IS DYING. UH, SO RECENT SALES DATA. SO GENERALLY WHEN THAT PROJECT STARTED, YOU WERE IN THE FOUR TO 500 RANGE, YOU'RE GETTING WELL INTO THE HIGH FIVE HUNDREDS AND STARTING TO GET INTO THE SIX HUNDREDS AND SEVEN HUNDREDS FOR THE LARGER UNITS. YEAH. AT A HIGHER INTEREST RATE TOO. VERY MUCH SO. GOSH, UM, I CAN CLARIFY. SO BEES ARE A MIXTURE OF THE TWO TO FIVE BEDROOM. THEY'RE A MIXTURE OF TWO TO FIVE BEDROOM. I BELIEVE THERE IS. I BELIEVE THERE'S THREE, TWO OR THREE UNITS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, 4,000 OR UPPER THREE THOUSANDS. THERE'S NOT VERY MANY OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, VERY LARGE THERE, I WOULD SAY CONSISTENTLY IN THE THREE TO FOUR BEDROOMS, UH, AND CONSISTENTLY IN THE UPPER 2000 TO 3,500 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. AND AGAIN, FOLLOW UP ON, I SHOULD NOT ABOUT THE SIZE, BUT ABOUT THE WALL. SO WHEN THE WALL, WHENEVER IT COMES DOWN, WHAT WILL BE ANYTHING? WELL, THERE WILL LIVE, THERE WON'T BE ANY KIND OF BARRIER BETWEEN ONE AREA. SO IF YOU WERE CALLED THE COLDWELL HOMES DISCUSSION, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUFFER AREA WHERE YOU HAVE THE UNITS FACING THE OPEN SPACE AND WE'LL HAVE LIKE A LITTLE PRIVATE FRONT YARD THAT THE LIMITS, THE PRIVATE SPACE FROM THE PUBLIC SPACE, IT'LL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. SO THE TOWN ALSO HAS A PROJECT THAT WE ASKED THE COMMUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON RECENTLY. UM, SO IT WAS A BIKE LANE PROJECT, BUT THEN PART OF THAT PROJECT WOULD BE A REINVISIONING OF THE SAM'S CLUB PARK AREA, AND REALLY MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT SPACE, UH, TO, UM, FOR IT TO BE A GREATER AMENITY FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE CAN BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TERM IS, BUT LIKE A ROD IRON GATE OR FENCE THAT EXTENDS THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY WITH GATES IN VARIOUS AREAS SO THAT THERE IS ACCESS IN AND OUT AND NOT JUST IN ONE LOCATION, IT WILL BE, IT THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT IT WILL BE. GENERALLY. EACH UNIT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO YES. JUST BE CHEAP. I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING THAT COMFORTABLE. I MEAN, I GO FOR ACCURACY GATE TO THE INDIVIDUAL UNIT, NOT A PRIVACY SECURITY GAME STORE TO AN [00:30:02] EXISTING WALL IS TODAY CORRECT? CORRECT. IT WILL BE IN THAT GENERAL AREA. UM, AND WHEREIN THERE WILL NOT BE ANY GATING THERE'S TWO. UM, SO WHERE, UH, THE TWO NORTH SOUTH STREETS THAT RUN THROUGH ADDISON GROVE OAK, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S HOLLY OR MAGNOLIA, THERE'S TWO, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINTS THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SAM'S CLUB PART AND THEN INTO ADDISON GROVE. SO LIZ, I KNOW THAT MET ALL THEIR CONDITIONS FOR THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, BUT WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT KEN'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON THE ACHIEVES, UM, APPROVING BLOCK D NOW WHEN THEY ARE, THEY'RE STILL ONGOING WITH A, UM, ARE THEY GETTING SPREAD TOO THIN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE TEARING DOWN THE WALL TO BUILD A NEW BAR LINE, BUT YET THEY WEREN'T REALLY WANTING TO DEVELOP A BLOG D MATERIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. I MEAN, IS THERE A POINT WHERE HE'D LIKE, WE, YEAH, YOU MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVE THIS BECAUSE YOU GUYS STILL GOT SO MUCH MORE WORK TO DO ON THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND PERMITTED. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY LEVERAGE OF THAT? UH, SO ONCE THAT MEETS THE CONDITIONS, UH, UH, CONTINUE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, THEY, THIS IS NOT, THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO CONTINUE WITH BUILDING PERMITS. SO THIS DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE GO AHEAD TO START BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY. SO THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL REVIEW THAT WILL BE REQUIRED. UM, AND, UH, THEY WILL NEED TO DO SOME OF THAT UTILITY START, SOME OF THAT UTILITY WORK, UH, WHICH SOME OF THAT IS TIED TO THIS PLAN AS WELL PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION. SO, UM, THERE IS A SORT OF DOMINO EFFECT THAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN. UM, AS FAR AS THEM SPREADING TOO THIN, I WILL LET CAN'T ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE SIX WEEKS. OH, WHAT I WOULD SHARE ON THAT IS THE, THE BEST THING THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN FOR THAT PROJECT IS FOR IT TO BE FINISHED AND APPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND, UH, ANY OTHER REMAINING ZONING ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE FINAL BLOCK, BLOCKSI GETS THEM ONE STEP CLOSER TO THAT. I CAN'T MAKE THEM BUILD THE LOTS FASTER, BUT IF I DON'T APPROVE THEIR ZONING, I'M PREVENTING THEM FROM DOING THAT OR THE TOWN DOESN'T THAT SHOULD SAY. AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION I HAVE ON, I SAYS, WHAT DID, UM, ELIAN MADISON DEVELOPERS DO TO EXPEDITE THEIR WORK THAT FINLAND PATHEON TOWN CAN'T SEEM TO DO? THIS IS SO TOWNHOME PROJECTS LIKE THIS, UM, AND AREAS LIKE THIS, THAT INFILL REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE INCREDIBLY COMPLEX. THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS IN THAT CASES, GREYSTAR, AND REALLY THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS THAT YOU SEE IN, IN TOWN, WHETHER THAT BE, UM, THE FOLKS AT VITRUVIAN AMALIE, THE FOLKS THAT DID ADDISON CIRCLE JPI, THOSE ARE INCREDIBLY SOPHISTICATED NATIONAL BUILDERS. THEY BUILD ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IN MANY DIFFERENT CONTEXTS. THEY'RE USED TO DEVELOPING THEIR PRODUCT, UM, IN, UH, MANY DIFFERENT CONSTRAINED CONDITIONS, UM, WITH IN TOWN HOMES, UM, THEY'RE AT THEIR HEART, A TOWNHOME DEVELOPER, UM, WHERE IT'S EASIEST FOR THEM TO DO THAT IS ON VACANT LAND, WHERE IT'S EASIEST FOR THEM TO DO THAT IS IN, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE SMALLER IN SCALE. SO SINGLE PHASE PROJECTS. UM, SO PROJECT LIKE COBALT HOMES IS 30, UH, LOT PROJECT. THAT'S REALLY THE WHEELHOUSE, THE SWEET SPOT FOR THOSE TYPES OF BUILDERS. WHEN YOU GET INTO A MULTI-PHASE PROJECT. AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THE TYPES OF BUILDING TYPES IN THIS PROJECT, IT GETS REALLY COMPLEX. AND WHAT IS GOING ON HERE IS YOU HAVE, UM, THE TYPICAL HOUSING TYPE FOR THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS A THREE-STORY TOWN NOVEL. THAT IS THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER TO BUILD AS BUILT TO THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE. AND THIS PROJECT, THEY HAVE LIVE WORK UNITS, AND THEY ALSO HAVE FOUR STORY TOWN HOMES, FOUR STORY TOWN HOMES, AND LIVE WORK UNITS, UH, ARE TREATED BY THE BUILDING CODES, MORE LIKE A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING OR COMMERCIAL BUILDING. SO IT'S MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED AND MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD IN A THREE STORY TOWN HOME TO THE IRC. SO WHAT FOLKS LIKE GREYSTAR, WHO BUILT, UH, ALONG WOULD BE MUCH BETTER SUITED TO BUILD A PROJECT LIKE THAT. ADDISON GROVE IS A VERY CHALLENGING PROJECT AND, AND [00:35:01] IT'S ALL IN TOWN AND STARTING TO GET INTO PROJECTS LIKE THAT AND HAVE EXECUTED SUCCESSFULLY PROJECTS LIKE THAT. IT, IT DOESN'T COME WITHOUT CHALLENGES. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SHARE WITH THEM, IT'S THEIR HOUSTON BASED COMPANY. THIS IS VERY MUCH AWAY FROM THE FLAGPOLE FOR THEM. SO THEIR LEADERSHIP WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE WELL-POSITIONED TO DO QUALITY CONTROL ON HOUSTON. UH, THEY'RE NOT AS WELL POSITIONED HERE IN THE DFW METRO. YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S REALLY CONCERNING KEN WHEN HE PUT IT THAT WAY. AND, AND TO BOB'S POINT, I MEAN, IF IT, IF IT, IF THE PROJECT DIDN'T MOVE ALONG AT A DECENT PACE, WHEN INTEREST RATES WERE THREE AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE OVER SIX, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO MOVE EVEN SLOWER. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION, UM, IN ALLOWING THEM TO CONTINUE. AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, THE BLOCKS THAT YOU HAVE APPROVAL FOR AND START KNOCKING DOWN WALLS THAT WILL IMPACT THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, IS THAT HADN'T BEEN THE WAY IT WAS STRUCTURED WHEN IT WAS VERY ORIGINALLY APPROVED. IF YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE, IF THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE HURDLES TO HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE WHEN WE ALL WERE NOT COMMISSIONED, THAT'S PART OF IT. BUT CAN I MAKE SOME OTHER COMMENTS TO YOUR QUESTION TO ALSO THINK ABOUT IT, THIS GROUP BEING SO SMALL, THEY'RE PROBABLY STUDYING OUT EVERYTHING. GREYSTAR HAS THEIR PEOPLE, THEY JUST MOVED THEM. THIS PROJECT TO THAT PROJECT, TO THE PROJECT, THEN GRAY STARS PROJECT. WHEN YOU GO FOUR OR FIVE STORIES LIKE THAT, FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE UNITS ARE STACKED. EXACTLY. ALL THE THRILL THREE BEDROOMS ARE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER OR, OR VERY SIMILAR THAT THEY'RE GOT THEIR PLANS THAT, BUT IT'S JUST REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT. THIS IS MUCH MORE LIKE CUSTOM BUILDINGS. I MEAN, WHAT HIS PROJECT. SO IT JUST TAKES, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT MORE ON A TOWN ON A HOME SINGLE FAMILY HOME BY COMPARISON AND NOT AN APARTMENT. THESE, THESE ARE VERY MUCH CUSTOM HOMES. THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. UM, SO CHRIS, TO YOUR POINT, I, THE ONE THING I WOULD HIGHLIGHT IS THEY'RE NEARLY DONE WITH BLOCK B, UM, AND BLOCK A THERE THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS. THAT'S A SMALLER BLOCK. UM, THE MARKET MAY BE A LITTLE SLOW ON THAT BLOCK BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE LIVE WORK UNITS ARE, WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOW HANGING FRUIT IN THIS PROJECT IS IT'S REALLY BLOCKSI AND BLOCK D CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MOST, UH, TOWNHOMES ARE JUST THE PURE THREE STORY TOWN HOMES. THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF FOUR STORY, BUT THE MOST MARKET FRIENDLY AND EASY TO CONSTRUCT UNITS IN THIS PROJECT ARE REALLY IN, IN THESE NEXT TWO BLOCKS. THAT ONE IS UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. ONE YOU'LL HAVE IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? I JUST HAVE ONE ENGINE. SO THE WATER MAIN, THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME LIKE. SO IF WE APPROVE THIS AS IS, IS THERE, IS IT, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WATER MAIN HAS DONE PROPERLY? YOU KNOW, WITH THAT CONNECTION, DO WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING ADDED ON TO THIS WHEN WE APPROVE IT? OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND NEAR THESE CONDITIONS ARE SUFFICIENT. WE WOULDN'T RELEASE BUILDING PERMITS BEFORE THAT WATER MAIN IS INSTALLED AND EXTENDED BECAUSE I HAD THAT BIG PROBLEM. 78 DO THINK THIS IS A SMALL, NO, THIS IS, THIS IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULDN'T LET THEM MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, BUILDING, UH, STRUCTURES THAT COULD BE OCCUPIED BEFORE IT GETS DONE THE FORWARD AND PEPPERING LAST NIGHT, WITH QUESTIONS ON THIS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NEXT ITEM IS THE DRAFT STUDY OF SAM'S CLUB. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR YOU WANT TO HOLD US TO VERY UNIQUE? UH, SO IN THE REGULAR MEETING, I'LL, I'LL DO A PRETTY LONG PRESENTATION ON IT. UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS BEFOREHAND, WE CAN DO THAT. UM, ONE THING I WOULD HIGHLIGHT IS THE SCHEDULE. UM, SO IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TONIGHT FOR YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS. UH, THIS IS REALLY THE INTRODUCE THE STUDY TO YOU. UH, WE DO HAVE ONE MEMBER WHO IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STUDY, NANCY, UH, SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE, UH, THAT, UH, UH, ADVISE THE PROCESS. BUT I KNOW FOR MANY OF YOU, UM, OUTSIDE OF MAYBE PARTICIPATING IN OR ATTENDING THE, THE PUBLIC OUTREACH EVENTS, THIS MAY BE NEW TO USE OF REALLY, WE WANT TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE, UH, DURING THE REGULAR MEETING, UH, PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY AND THEN, UH, TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. SO, UM, AS [00:40:01] IT'S CURRENTLY ENVISIONED, NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, UH, FOR A, UH, PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS OVER THE NEXT MONTH. SO FOLKS THAT HAVE FEEDBACK THAT THEY WANT TO SHARE WITH, UH, TOWN STAFF, UH, THEY CAN DIRECT THAT TO ME. AND WE CAN PRESENT THAT FEEDBACK AT THE, UH, COMMISSION MEETING IN JULY. UM, WITH THAT MEETING, THAT WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, IF THE COMMISSION DOES TAKE ACTION ON THE PLAN, UH, AT THAT MEETING, THEN IT WOULD MOVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AT A PUBLIC HEARING IT AT THEIR FIRST AUGUST MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE AUGUST. SO THIS DOCUMENT HAS BEEN VETTED BY THE COMMITTEE. IT'S BEEN HASHED OVER WITH THE TALENT PERSONNEL. SO THE FINISHED PRODUCT THAT WE'RE GETTING IS PRETTY MUCH THE WAY THE PLAN WOULD BE TO IMPLEMENT AT SOME POINT WITH, UNLESS WE FIND SOMETHING THAT WE STUMBLED UPON, THAT IS NOBODY ELSE CAUGHT THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT BEING PROBABLY REMOTE. BUT NONETHELESS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY THIS, I DON'T WANT TO PREJUDGE IT, BUT THAT'S, THEY WOULD HAVE SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME DOING STUFF THAT WE'RE NOW GOING TO OVERRIDE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY IN ATTEMPT. UH, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THE COMMISSION, ALTHOUGH YOU ALL CERTAINLY COULD, IF THERE WAS CONSENSUS, BUT, UM, A LOT OF WORK AND THOUGHT HAS BEEN PUT INTO IT. SO MAJOR CHANGES IN THE DIRECTION. I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE AS WELL, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT IT TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDERS AS A AND GET A CONSENSUS ON OR FIND OUT, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO CAPTURE THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT, BUT LET'S SAY EVERYTHING GOES FORWARD WITH WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT AND WHATEVER THE, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING IMPLEMENTATION OF IT, THAT GOES, AND IT ALL LOOKS GOOD, RIGHT. 30 YEARS FROM NOW, WE WON'T BE THE JUDGE OF HOW IT LOOKS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE SPACES 30 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'LL SAY THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE HORRIBLE JOBS AND, UH, HOW COULD THEY HAVE EVER AGREED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO I THINK THAT FOR ME, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO BE A COMMISSIONER. IT'S ANOTHER THING TO BE. I'M ALSO A CITIZEN OF ACID AS WELL AS BEING A COMMISSIONER. SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. I BOUGHT THE CITIES THAT I PUT OUT THERE, BUT I, I WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WORRY ABOUT BOB. THEY CAN SAY YOU DID AN AMAZING JOB TOO. WELL, IF I COULD JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT TOO. UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS AMONGST THE COMMITTEE. ALSO, UH, ONE OF OUR, UH, STATED, OR, OR ONE INTENT THAT WE, THAT WE CAME TO WAS THAT WE WANTED THIS TO BE A FRAME, UH, AND HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE VISION OF WHAT MIGHT COME FORTH 10 YEARS, LET ALONE 30 YEARS. OKAY. SO THOSE THINGS, I WAS MAJOR ASPECTS THAT WERE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, OPEN SPACE ARE BEING SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND NOW THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE TRIED TO EMPHASIZE. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY NANCY IS THAT SOMETIMES WE TRY TO PUT TOO MUCH STUFF IN A, NOT A BIG ENOUGH SPACE. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE TO TRY TO SATISFY OUR, COVER, OUR, WHATEVER, THE RATIONALE FOR IT. AND I'M SURE IT'S ALL WONDERFUL, BUT MAYBE IT WOULD BE IF WE HAD LESS OF SOMETHING AND MORE OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT, AND WE WON'T KNOW THIS UNTIL WE DO IT. SO NANCY OR, OR IS ONE OF THE FINAL SUMMARY RECOMMENDATIONS, WHATEVER ELSE THAT YOU UPDATE THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS, LIKE WE DO THE CHARTER EVERY 10 OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF DOCUMENTS THAT GET UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS. EVEN THE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE IS GOING TO GET LOOKED AT AGAIN AND PROBABLY FIVE OR 10 YEARS. IS THERE ANY ASPECT [00:45:01] OF SAM'S CLUB THAT SAYS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE OPEN SPACE, NEIGHBOR INFLUENCED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND EVERY FIVE YEARS WHEN YOU HAVE, I GET TOGETHER TO REVIEW WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, AND IT WASN'T THAT ASPECT THAT THIS BEST, IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN THE PLAN, BUT IT'S MORE OF A BEST PRACTICE, UM, IN MY FIELD, UM, WITH PLANS LIKE THIS, UM, IT, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT VARIES BASED ON THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY, UM, ON THE IMPLEMENTATION SIDE OF THE PLAN. UM, IF IT'S AN AREA THAT IS REALLY PIONEERING AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF ACTIVITY, UM, THAT IS, UM, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE THE PLAN BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO USE IT, TO SHAPE FUTURE CHANGE. IF IT'S AN AREA THAT IS JUST GOING LIKE GANGBUSTERS, AND IT IS REDEVELOPING AND THERE'S NEW PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND NEW SOCIAL ENTITIES ARE RAPIDLY GETTING IMPLEMENTED. THE PLAN MAY NO LONGER BE AS USEFUL. AND YOU MAY THINK ABOUT DOING ANOTHER PLAN 50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO IT IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO PLAY BY YOUR, SO LESLIE, YOU MARKED DOWN 30 YEARS FROM NOW. YOU NEED TO RELOOK AT THE PLANET AND LISTEN, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE HERE. YOU GUYS MAY NOT BE HERE. AND THAT I THINK IS JUST AS IMPORTANT BECAUSE SOMEBODY, SOME WHOEVER COMES IN AFTER YOU, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET A DOCUMENT AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW ANY OF THIS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO TELL THEM, UH, AT WHAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS GOT SO MANY DIFFERENT OWNERS, OKAY. SO WE CAN MAKE OUR BEST EFFORTS TO GET SIGNED, SEALED, AND DELIVERED ALL PRETTY. BUT THE REALITY IS SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER. SO IS THE TOWN AT A POINT OF INCENTIVE PACKAGE YET GOING OUT TO P I MEAN, LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE GAME PLAN FOR THE TOWN TO INCENTIVIZE CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY TAKE. SO THE, THE TOWN'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY IS NOT, HAS NOT TRADITIONALLY BEEN TO DO THINGS SUCH AS ACQUIRE LAND FOR LAND BANKING. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WAS CONSIDERED WITH THE N-WORD CORRIDOR. IT'S NOT BEEN SOMETHING TO, UH, THE ADDISON GROVE PATH. ISN'T TYPICALLY WHAT THE TOWN'S DONE. TYPICALLY THE TOWN, UH, APPLIES AND, UH, AND, AND CONSIDER THESE INCENTIVES FOR END USERS OR MORE TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECTS. IF A DEVELOPER, UH, CAME IN FOR THIS AREA AND ASSEMBLED ALL THE LAND AND REALLY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING TRANSFORMATIONAL, THAT MAY BE A SCENARIO THAT WOULD WARRANT SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATION WITH THIS PARTICULAR AREA. I'D BE SURPRISED, UM, WITH THAT. UM, AND, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR AREA, I THINK YOU'LL SEE, UH, LIKE THE COBALT HOMES PROJECT. THERE'S PROBABLY, UM, THERE'S, THERE IS MORE NEAR TERM INTEREST IN THIS AREA. THERE IS AN ACTIVE ZONING APPLICATION FOR THE OFFICE AND THE PARK SITE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING. SO YOU WILL HAVE A ZONING CONSIDERATION FOR A LARGE SEGMENT OF THIS STUDY AREA, AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE PLAN. UM, ONE THING THAT, AND NANCY WILL PROBABLY RECALL THIS AS WELL AND, AND CITY COUNCIL BACK WHEN WE FIRST DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT AND, AND UPDATING THE PLAN, A BIG DRIVER FOR THAT WAS ONE, THE MIDWAY ROAD PROJECT IS, UM, IS A MAJOR TOWN INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA, WHICH WHEN YOU HAVE LARGE PUBLIC INVESTMENTS, PRIVATE INVESTMENT INTEREST TENDS TO FOLLOW. SO THERE WERE DEVELOPMENT INTERESTS IN THIS AREA, EVEN BEFORE I BECAME A TOWN EMPLOYEE SO MUCH LIKE WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH COLDWELL HOMES, A SIMILAR SCENARIO EXISTS WITH THE OFFICE AND THE PARK DEVELOPMENT. SO THEN YOU WILL HAVE A REZONING APPLICATION, UH, TO CONSIDER HERE SOON. SO, UH, THAT IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SECTION OF THE STUDY AREA, BUT THERE ARE OTHER VERY LARGE SECTIONS THAT HAVE SOME DIVISION OF OWNERSHIP THAT MAY TAKE A MUCH LONGER TIME. OKAY. AND YOU MENTIONED IT'S GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO WEIGH IN ON THE DRAFT STUDY. DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. WHEN WE MAKE THE PRESENTATION, THERE'LL BE A SLIDE THAT HAS SOME DIRECTION ON THAT REALLY. I'M KIND OF THE PERSON FOR THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY. SO IF THEY WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH ME, FOR, TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION ON THE COUNCIL, THEY CAN, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING WHEN THIS GOES [00:50:01] BACK BEFORE THE COMMITTEE FAIRLY WIDE PUBLICITY. YES, IT IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THERE'S GOING TO BE OF ALL THE GEAR. AND WE PUT THIS IN THE TOWN NEWSLETTER. UM, ON FRIDAY WE DID SEND OUT A SEPARATE EMAIL, UH, TO THE FOLKS WHO ATTENDED AND PROVIDED EMAILS FOR OUR PREVIOUS OUTREACH EVENTS. WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS KNOW ABOUT THIS. SO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SIT, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION PROPERLY. SO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO GOING FROM COMING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH OR SOUTH TO NORTH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT? WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SAID, 17, SO IT'S A LOT, I ASSUME THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL, SO IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING HERE, IT DOESN'T, THERE IS, UH, THERE'S A CONNECTIVITY ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF WHATEVER THE PROPERTY IS. CORRECT. SO, YES. AND SO THE, THE CHALLENGE OF REDEVELOPMENT AND REUSE, AND THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT WORKING HERE IN ADDISON, BUT IT'S ALSO CAN BE A CURSE AT TIMES. AND THAT IT'S VERY TECHNICALLY COMPLEX IS OUR STAFF NEEDS TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ENVISION HOW THAT IMPACTS THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY AND POTENTIAL ADJACENT PROPERTY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE VERY MUCH CONSIDER. WHAT WE REALLY OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IS NOT ONLY VEHICLE CONNECTIVITY, BUT CONNECTIVITY OF OPEN SPACE AND TRAILS IS THAT, UM, AS, UH, NANCY'S WELL AWARE OF AND WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE, UH, IN A BIT IS THAT WAS, UH, A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT. YEAH. I THINK THE THING THAT, THE SPACE THAT BACKS UP TO THOSE TOWNHOMES AND WHEREVER HOMES COME IN TO PLAY ON THAT, WHATEVER SIDE, THAT EAST SIDE THERE IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL TO WHATEVER IS DONE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE LONGTERM AND THOSE ESTABLISHED HOMEOWNERS ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE EXPECTATION THAT THEIR LIVES ARE NOT GOING TO BE CHANGED BY ANYTHING THAT COMES OVER FROM THIS SIDE. YEAH. WHAT'D YOU JUST SAY TO BOB IS THE BIGGEST POINT OF CONSENSUS FOR EVERYONE ON, ON THAT PROJECT. VERY WELL-STATED ONE LAST THING CAN BE THE SAME SLOW. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CONFEDERATE STATUE THAT'S GOT POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS. IS THERE ANY POINT IN TIME WHERE WE'RE ON A QUICK CALL IN THE SAM'S CLUB AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING BETTER AND DIFFERENT? THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO NAMING THINGS, UH, IS A, UH, A DIFFICULT PROJECT. UM, I'M I LEAN TOWARDS SOMETHING SIMPLE AND THAT IS EASY TO IDENTIFY WITH AREA. UM, BUT MY LEANINGS ISN'T NECESSARILY CONSENSUS. I'M GONNA PROPOSE, UH, THE SOUTH MIDWAY CORRIDOR, BUT NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH THAT. AND THAT'S TRUE. ANOTHER, OUR NATURE OF THIS PROJECT AND THE NATURE OF LONG RANGE PLANNING, SHAY SAM'S CLUB, BUT THE, IT COMES WITH A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, UNDERSTAND SAM'S CLUB. HADN'T BEEN HERE FOR HOW MANY YEARS. SO PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR FOR, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE SAM'S CLUB. OKAY. A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN MINUTES OR WHATEVER MEETING WE CAN TAKE A BREAK HERE OR US. SO WE'RE DONE. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I CALL IT A WORK SESSION, THE JOURNEY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.