Apr 19, 2022 Planning & Zoning Commission Work Session

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AND COMMISSION ORDER.

IT IS TUESDAY,

[1. Call Meeting to Order]

THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS,

[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]

YEAH, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING.

KIND OF SHOES.

KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN, UH, AT THE MOST RECENT, UH, TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I SHOULD SAY ON APRIL 12TH.

UH, WE DID HAVE ONE CASE, UH, THAT ADVANCED FROM THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

THAT WAS THE JPI AS AN HEIGHTS PROJECT, UH, THAT ULTIMATELY WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMISSION.

UM, ALSO, UM, WITH THAT MEETING, UH, THAT NIGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER BIG DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT HASN'T BEEN TO THE COMMISSION YET, BUT, UH, IT WILL, UH, IN THE COMING MONTHS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL SEE LATER THIS SUMMER GO THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS.

THAT'S THE, UH, ADDISON CIRCLE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

SO THAT WILL BE, UM, $470 MILLION IN DEVELOPMENT ON 18 ACRES, 13 OF THAT IS TOWN PROPERTY.

AND FIVE OF THAT IS DARK PROPERTY.

IT WILL BE A MIXED USE PROJECT, UH, DENSE AND WALKABLE.

UM, WE'LL HAVE EMPLOYMENT USES RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, RESTAURANT AND RETAIL USES IN BOTH, UH, THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS THE BULK OF THE PROJECT, UH, UH, WITH TWO RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND OFFICE BUILDING A PUBLIC PARKING STRUCTURE AND AN AREA WE'RE CALLING THE HUG, UM, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A, A RESTAURANT NODE, UH, AT THE HEART OF THE PROJECT.

THAT'S REALLY ORIENTED TOWARDS NOT ONLY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT REALLY FOCUSING ON ADDISON CIRCLE PARK TO, AS AN AMENITY CONNECT TO YOU.

UM, THERE WILL BE NEW PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES.

A KEY COMPONENT OF THAT PROJECT IS CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE PARK, INTO WHAT WE NOW KNOW IS ADDISON CIRCLE.

UM, BUT ALSO EXTENDING THAT CONNECTIVITY TO THE NEW TRANSIT STATION THAT WILL BE OPERATIONAL IN 2024.

SO A BIG PROJECT FROM THE TOWN.

UH, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN IT, UH, TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND REFINE WHAT A STASH PROJECT THE DEVELOPER TEAM, UH, BRINGS, UH, FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY EXCITED TO GET THAT BEFORE YOU AND START WORKING ON THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER OF THOSE PROJECTS? SO THE STUFF THAT'S GOING TO COME INTO THIS SUMMER WILL THAT ENCOMPASS ESSENTIALLY ALL CALL PHASE ONE ARE GOING TO BE MORE PIECEMEAL OVER TIME.

SO IT WILL, UH, THE, THE FIRST, UH, BIG ACTION FROM A LAND ENTITLEMENT STANDPOINT, WE'LL BE, UH, REZONING THE ENTIRE SITE TO FACILITATE THAT DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT WILL BE INCLUSIVE OF ADOPTING A CONCEPT PLAN THAT REALLY SETS THE FRAMEWORK FOR DEVELOPMENT OF INDIVIDUAL, UH, PARCELS, UH, BUT ALSO A KEY PUBLIC AMENITIES SUCH AS TRAIL CORRIDORS AND, UH, UH, OTHER, UM, UH, PEDESTRIAN FEATURES.

UH, AND THEN WHEN THEY GET INTO MORE DETAILED DESIGN AND SOME OF US MAY BE ON THE FRONT END, UM, WE HAVE NOT INITIATED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER YET THAT WHOLE KICKOFF NEXT WEEK, BUT THEN WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAILED DESIGN, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE PHASE ONE PROJECT.

SO THAT MAY BE DONE CONCURRENTLY, OR IT MAY BE DONE IN A TWO-STEP PROCESS THAT STILL REMAINS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THEY ARE.

YES.

SO THE LANDS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE TOWN, UH, ARE 13 ACRES.

AND ARE THEY GOING TO IS THE PLAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THAT OFF TO BE DEVELOPED OR THEY'RE GOING TO OWN IT? SO THERE'S GROUND LEASES ARE WHAT, SO IT'S A MIX OF GROUND LEASE AND DEDICATION OF LAND.

MOST OF IT IS GROUND LEASE, UH, TO INCLUDE THE DARK PROPERTY.

ONE OFFICE, UH, PARCEL, UH, PARKING STRUCTURE WILL BE A FEASIBLE, UH, UH, CONVENIENCE TO THE DEVELOPER AND ALL OF THAT WAS WORKED OUT.

UM, THERE WAS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE TOWN, UH, AND THE MASTER DEVELOPER.

SO STREAMING IS GOING TO BE THE OWNER OF THE OFFICE EVENTUALLY WON MULTIPLE.

OKAY.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CONSULTING ROLES OR IF THEY WERE THEY'RE ALREADY IN THEIR CONTRACTORS.

THEY'RE THE MASTER DEVELOPER.

OKAY.

SO CAN WE GET THAT? UH, YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY POSTED ONLINE, UM, THE APRIL 12TH COUNCIL MEETING AND THE CONSENT AGENDA YOU CAN READ.

AND THEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THIS BEFORE, EARLIER THAN WE NORMALLY GET THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY MEETING? IT'S THAT BIG? I MEAN, OR IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE A PRE SESSION OR CAN YOU, AND I MAY USE IT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE BIG AND IT WILL BE BIG.

WE HAVEN'T WORKED OUT PROCESS YET, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WILL BE A, CERTAINLY A MUCH LARGER PROJECT THAN THE COMMISSION TYPICALLY REVIEW.

SO WE WILL NEED TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU APPROPRIATELY FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO

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UM, TYPICALLY OUR, OUR, THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS WE HAVE FACILITATE IT BEING IN A REGULAR MEETING, BUT IT REALLY WILL DEPEND ON WHAT OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON AT THAT TIME.

IF IT, IF IT MERITS A SEPARATE MEETING, WE CAN DEFINITELY LEAVE OUT.

YOU HAD AN EXTENDED WORK SESSION I'M SURE.

EARLY ON AT FIVE O'CLOCK THE DAY BEFORE OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE IN THE PAST.

IT WAS TWO, THREE HOURS LONG.

SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ATTEND THE TOWN MEETING THURSDAY NIGHT, BUT I WAS ON A ZOOM CALL, BUT I WAS WATCHING MUTED ON TV.

SURE.

WAS THAT PRESENTED? YEAH, IT WAS A DISNEYWORLD QUALITY PRESENTATION.

WOW.

YEAH.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON.

HE DID A VERY EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION ON, UM, ONE, THE, THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE SILVER LINE TRANSIT, UH, STOP, AND, BUT ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT.

AND IT CONCLUDED WITH THE PRESENTATION OF THE, UH, VIDEO RENDERING THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE MASTER DEVELOPER, WHICH DOES A GREAT JOB OF SHOWING THE, THE INTENDED DESIGN CHARACTER AND THE DESIGN CHARACTER THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE MOU BETWEEN THE TOWN OF THE DEVELOPER THAT WE'LL SOON SEE BEING IMPLEMENTED ON THAT SITE.

UM, SO AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THE APRIL 26 MEETING, I'LL BE DOING A WORK SESSION PRESENTATION WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE SAM'S CLUB, SPECIAL AREAS STUDY, WE'LL BE PRESENTING, UH, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY DOCUMENT THAT THAT COMMITTEE, UH, WORKED, UH, REALLY FOR THE LAST YEAR, UM, WITH OUR PROJECT TEAM TO DEVELOP, UH, IT WAS, THAT'S A VERY COMPLEX AND CHALLENGING PROJECT.

IT'S OUR LARGEST AREA OF RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, AND IT HAS A SERIES OF DECLINING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE FOR REINVESTMENT.

SO, UH, THAT COMMITTEE AND OUR STAFF WENT THROUGH A LOT OF ITERATIONS, UM, AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION TO GET A, UH, POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT IS, UH, BOTH, UH, REALLY, UM, UH, UH, CAREFUL AND REALLY, UH, TARGETED TOWARDS CONSIDERATIONS OF RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY AND HOW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD OCCUR IN THAT AREA, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, RECOGNIZES THAT, UH, THAT AREA WILL REDEVELOP AND RE REUSE OVER TIME.

AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL JUST OCCUR ALL AT ONCE OF THE NEED TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY, TO CONSIDER HOW TODAY'S CONDITIONS ARE AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT ALSO HAVING, HAVING ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY TO CONSIDER CONDITIONS THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW THAT THE MARKET WILL OR WILL NOT SUPPORT IN THE FUTURE IN THAT AREA.

SO A LOT OF VERY THOUGHTFUL WORK, UH, WAS, UH, CARRIED OUT BY THAT COMMITTEE.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNCIL, GET DIRECTION FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION OF A FINAL REPORT FOR THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN THE UDC, UM, DUE TO SOME STAFFING ISSUES ON MY END AND JUST THE WORKLOAD IN ADDITION TO THOSE STAFFING ISSUES, UM, WE'VE RUN INTO SOME DELAYS ON THAT.

UH, I DO ANTICIPATE US GETTING BACK TO THAT, UH, LATER THIS SUMMER AND NOT NECESSARILY AS EARLY AS I PREVIOUSLY COMMUNICATED.

UM, UH, WE DO INTEND TO HAVE THE PLANNING MANAGER POSITION FILLED SOON, SO THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO CARVE OUT MORE TIME TO FOCUS ON THE UDC.

SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR OUR WORK.

OKAY.

UM, NEXT

[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the April 19, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting, including: March 15, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Replat request for Lot C-R, Block 1, Oaks North-West No. 2 (R2022-01/14999 Montfort Drive) SUP requests for Sweetgreen and Postino (1847-SUP/1848-SUP) Development Plan for Addison Grove, Block D (1833-Z)]

UH, THAT WOULD BE A CONSENT ITEM ALONG WITH THE REPLAY REQUEST FOR LIGHT CR BLOCK ONE CANDY, GOT ANY, ANY WORDS OF ADVICE.

SO THAT ONE IS THE, UM, PART OF THE ONGOING REDEVELOPMENT OF THE FLYING SAUCER SITE, THE, UM, LAUREL ASIAN SMOKEHOUSE.

SO IN THAT ZONING DISCUSSION, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WORKED TO DO IS TO TRY TO CARVE OUT WHATEVER ROOM WE COULD TO HAVE A LARGER SIDEWALK ALONG MONTH FOR DRIVE.

UM, SO PART OF THAT REPLANT IS DEDICATING TWO FEET OF AWAY ALONG THE ROCKFORD DRIVE TO ALLOW FOR THAT SPACE.

AND THEN, UH, THE REMAINING CONSIDERATION WITH THAT RECLAD IS DEDICATE NECESSARY, UH, UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS TO SUPPORT, UH, THE NEW BUILDINGS AND PAVEMENTS,

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ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE RECORD ON NOW? ALL RIGHT.

UM, AND AGAIN, BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS AND MINUTES AND REPLAB WOULD BE FOR CONSENT, SO THERE'LL BE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH GROUP, GET YOUR NAME TO THE CONSENT ITEMS, UH, FOR, TO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ARE TWO SUP'S, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY TWINS OF EACH OTHER, UM, SWEETGREEN AND POSTINI RESTAURANTS.

CAN WE GOT SHINES ON OUR SURE.

SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, THE NATURE OF THE REQUESTS, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO COVER FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TWO DIFFERENT REQUESTS ON THE SAME PROPERTY IN THE SAME BUILDING.

SO I STRUCTURED, YOU PROBABLY SAW HOW I STRUCTURED THE STAFF REPORT, AND YOU'LL SEE IT WITH THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S STILL TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO MAKE TWO, TWO SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS TO YOU.

I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT BOTH REQUESTS AT THE SAME TIME, BUT BECAUSE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, WE WILL NEED TO CONDUCT TWO DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, FOLLOWING, UH, MY PRESENTATION ON ANY COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND THEN WHATEVER, UH, MOTION AND ACTION THAT COMMISSION ALEKS TO TAKE ON THESE CASES, THERE SHOULD BE TWO SEPARATE, UH, ACTIONS, UH, COVER IN EACH CASE.

SO HOW DO WE GO TO LOGISTICALLY? I READ IN THE RECORD, THE FIRST ONE YOU'LL GIVE A PRESENTATION OR OUT HOW'S IT GOING TO WORK? SO REALLY YOU WOULD START BY READING BOTH AGENDA ITEMS AND MAKING NOTE THAT I WILL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION THAT ADDRESSES BOTH.

AND THEN YOU CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR EACH AGENDA ITEM.

THE COMMISSION WOULD THEN HAVE WHATEVER DIALOGUE THAT NEEDS TO BE, HAD TO TAKE ACTION ITEM, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TWO SEPARATE ACTIONS AS WELL.

OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING FOR EACH OF THOSE ITEMS OR JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE, WELL, YOU NEED TO HAVE ONE FOR EACH ITEM.

SO TWO TOTAL, JOEL, RANTON BOTH MARINE, BOTH.

YOU'RE GOING TO YOUR STAFF REPORT AND THEN WE'RE TAKING A MOTION FOR EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.

YES.

AND YOU'LL DO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY FIRST, OTHER THAN THAT LITTLE LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARES.

AND WE ALSO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE TWO.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

SO THE WAY I READ IT IS THAT IN ONE OF THEM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION, OR THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION OR SALES, SO THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANYWHERE.

I DON'T THINK IN THE TOWN.

AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL TO TAKE OUT DRINK AND THERE.

AND THERE'S A REALLY , UM, IT'S, IT'S A RESTAURANT, BUT WINE IS THEIR SPECIALTY AS WELL.

SO YOU MAY, I DON'T BOB, DID YOU EVER GO TO MERCY? SURE.

SO THEY HAD THAT CONDITION.

SO THEY HAD A WINE POSTINO'S IS A, IT'S A, THEY'LL HAVE A WINE RETAIL.

SO IF YOU WANT TO BUY A BOTTLE TO TAKE HOME, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OFF-PREMISE, IT'S IT'S CUSTOMERS BETTER IN THERE THAT ARE BUYING IT AS OPPOSED TO CUSTOMERS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE OUTSIDE.

LIKE THEY WOULDN'T GET INTO A LIQUOR STORE.

YOU COULD GO IN THERE JUST TO PURCHASE A BOTTLE OF WINE.

THE YOUTH, I DON'T, YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE MANY PEOPLE DO THAT.

UNLESS THERE'S SOME BOTTLE OF WINE THAT THEY CAN ONLY GET IT POSTS, EMAIL THAT THEY COULDN'T GO TO SPECS OR TOTAL WINE, BUT YOU COULD DO THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

AS IT'S PROPOSED, BUT IT'S DURING THE REGULAR OPERATIONAL HOURS, WHICH EXPECTS CLOSES AT NINE.

SO THERE IS POTENTIALLY COULD BE ANYBODY.

I MEAN, WHAT DOES RESTAURANT, THE ONE EXAMPLE I KNOW FOR SURE WAS MERCY.

UH, I'D SAY THAT THAT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL CONDITION FOR MORE THE WINE BAR TYPE OF RESTAURANT YOU COULD GO IN AND BUY A BOTTLE, HOOK IT UP.

I AGREE.

IT'S WHERE IT'S AN EXTENT.

IT'S NICE TO ENTER.

I THINK YOU'RE ABOUT TO OPEN ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS. NO, NO, NO.

I, THE OTHER EXAMPLE THOUGH, WOULD BE WHOLE FOODS.

YOU WALK INTO MY GROWLER BEER AND TAKE IT TO GO.

YEAH.

UM, I COULD PROBABLY THINK OF, BUT TO ME THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT.

THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT.

GOING INTO A, UH, IN FRONT OF THIS WHERE YOU DON'T COOK WELL, IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, YOU CAN GET A WHOLE FOOD YOU CAN CONSUME.

BUT IF YOU GO IN AND TOM THUMB, YOU CAN'T CRACK A BOTTLE

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DRINK, HAVE A DRINK.

YOU CAN'T AT WHOLE FOODS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PRICES, BUT THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE REALLY ANY BREWERY SUBMITTER SISTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO WITH THAT, I THOUGHT, UH, UH, MR. DE FRANCISCO WAS GOING TO BRING UP, BUT MR. MALIKI DID, UH, IS THAT WE HAVE THESE SEP REQUIREMENTS WHERE YOU CAN'T SELL DRINK FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION THAN MOST OF OUR RESTAURANTS, BUT THE WAY THE PANDEMIC CHANGED THE OPERATING MODEL AND WAY TABC ADJUSTED STATE LAWS DURING THE PANDEMIC, YOU HAD A LOT OF RESTAURANTS.

AND I CERTAINLY WENT TO RESTAURANTS AND GLORIA'S, FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD, I WOULD GET TAKEN.

MARGARITA IS, WELL, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF IT.

THERE'S NOT ONE PART OF ME THAT HAS, BUT I'LL GO BACK TO MY FAVORITE TOPIC, THE WAY THE TOWN TREATS THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL VERSUS THE WAY THE TOWN TREATS THE ADVERTISING OF THE SALE OF ALCOHOL.

AT SOME POINT, WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

WELL, ONE BLUE AND THE OTHER IS ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO FORCE, THE QUESTION ON THIS ONE? UM, SO, UM, YOU'VE GOT TWIN PIECES RIGHT THERE THAT AS TOLD YOU, WE WERE THERE, THEY'RE NOT FROM PIGS, BUT WE WERE IN THIS AREA AND THERE WAS A LINE TO GET IN MY HOUSE.

IS THERE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS BETWEEN, UM, WHERE, WHERE LAURA WAS GOING TO GO THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, NOT ANY THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO ME OR, UM, SO IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE, UH, SO TWIN PEAKS, UH, THE RESTAURANT TO THE WEST, UH, AND THEN MAURO AS WELL.

IT'S ALL THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER AND IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER ACROSS MONTFORT, AND THAT PRESTON WOULD PLACE.

UM, THEY REALLY TAKE THE BRUNT IF THERE'S A PARKING ISSUE.

UM, ONE THING I WOULD KNOW WITH THIS PROPOSAL THAT I THINK MAY HELP IT, UM, PROBABLY WITH THE WAY NISA MAYA IS OPERATING.

NOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FILLING THAT PLACE, BUT IF YOU HAD A RESTAURANT THAT WAS REALLY FILLING THAT PLACE, THAT'S A BIG SPACE, CREATE A LOT OF PARKING DEMAND.

I DO LIKE HOW SWEETGREEN AND COSENTINO, UH, PERHAPS HAVE DIFFERENT PEAKS AND GREENS, A LITTLE FASTER AND SWEET, SWEET GREEN IS A LITTLE MORE FAST, FAST CASUAL, AND THAT IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A LUNCH TIME AND DRIVING HOME FROM WORK, COME AND GO.

THEY ONLY HAVE SEATING FOR 38.

SO I THINK IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT NOTED THAT WE REDUCED 131 DINING SEATS.

UM, WOULD THIS, IF YOU HAD A, A RESTAURANT THAT WAS JUST SLAMMED IN THAT SPACE, IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE WITH THAT PARKING RIGHT THERE.

UM, MY COMMENT WAS, SO I HAVE A FEELING BORA WILL PROBABLY BE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.

THE ONE SOMEONE MY OFFICE IS, IS DOING REALLY WELL.

AND I DO HAVE THAT CONCERN THAT IN THAT LITTLE AREA, THERE WILL BE PARKING ISSUES.

I MEAN, I GET EVERYTHING YOU SAID IN YOUR WRITE-UP ABOUT YOURSELF.

REALLY.

YOU CAN CHANGE.

IT'S GOING TO BE TIGHT.

UM, I JUST, I HAVE A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BE TIGHT FOR A WHILE, SORT OF BRAND NEW RESTAURANTS, OPENING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

IT IS WHEN THEY'RE STARTING TO WORK ON THAT, TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE THE BUILDING, WE SUGGESTED THEY'RE COMPLETE A LITTLE PARK AND SOME, SOME THINGS.

AND WE SAID, COULD YOU MAKE A LITTLE, MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE ACCOMMODATING TO CROSS THE STREET PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK? AND THEN THEY WERE AGAINST THAT.

I RECALL NOW THAT MAY WANT TO RETHINK THAT WHOLE PROCESS, BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T GO BACK AND PARK ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET OR EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND GO TO EITHER OF THE SETS OF RESTAURANTS, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE, BUT THEY FOUGHT US ON THAT THEY WANT.

SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, UM, THE BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT, RED, FLYING SAUCER.

IS IT THE SAME FOOTPRINT

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THEY HAD SEEN THE RECEIPTS OR UNISPACE DECLARED, DIGGING UP A LOT OF DIRT, RIGHT? THEY, THEY GENERALLY STAYED THE SAME.

THEY HAD A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY AT THAT SPACE.

LAURA IS A PRETTY UNIQUE CONCEPT TO YOU IN THAT IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A, IT'S NOT FAST CASUAL, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, I WOULD SAY A, A PLACE.

IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THROUGH LAURA QUICKLY, YOU CAN, IT'S THE MODEL.

YOU GO UP TO THE BAR, YOU ORDER, THEY GIVE YOU A BUZZER.

YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SEAT WITH YOUR DRINKS AND YOU CAN BE IN AND OUT OF THERE VERY QUICKLY, OR IT'S SUCH A NICE ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU CAN HANG OUT THERE AND, AND HAVE AN EXTENDED VISIT.

SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT RESTAURANT MODEL.

I THINK THAT THE KEY THING I DO AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT, PARKING WILL BE COMPETITIVE IN THIS AREA.

UM, WITH REGARDS TO PARKING, I, I TEND TO RELY ON THE, UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND THE RESTAURANT TOURS TO, TO MAKE THE JUDGMENT OF WHETHER THEIR BUSINESS MODEL CAN WORK THERE.

AND IF IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T AND THEY MOVE ON AND THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENED IN THAT AREA.

WHAT I THINK WORKS WELL IN THAT AREA IS YOU HAVE SO MANY OPTIONS AND THAT YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DINING IN THAT AREA AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, DOESN'T HAVE BUILD A BUILDING.

YOU CAN GO TO GLORIA, AS YOU CAN GO TO LAURA, YOU CAN GO THERE WHEN IT COMES TO THE DESTINATION.

EXACTLY.

KIND OF LIKE OUR, OUR DISCUSSION EARLIER, WHERE YOU WENT TO ONE RESTAURANT, IT WAS FULL AND THEN YOU FOUND ANOTHER SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S BEEN IN THE CHALLENGE WILL BE EARLY, MORE CHALLENGING DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF THE DAY, TOO.

SO AT NIGHT IT MIGHT OPEN UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE SOMEBODY ON THE END IS PRIMARILY BREAKFAST WILL BE CLOSED.

YOU WON'T HAVE A LONGER WALK, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE BAR THERE.

IS IT SHERLOCK'S, I'M SORRY.

I'M SURE THERE'S SOME THERE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT ONE, A HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE THAT THEY HAD TO AGREE ABOUT BEING OUT THERE AND DOES THAT, DOES IT NEED TO BE A CONDITION OR IF IT'S IN THE DRAWINGS SINCE THAT SUBMISSION? SO WHEN, WHEN MESA, MY LAST CAME THROUGH A COMMISSION, UM, THE CURRENT CONDITION, WHICH IS THREE HANDICAPPED SPACES ONSITE WAS WHAT EXISTED AND THEIR PLANS SHOWED FOR HANDICAP SPACES AND REALLY SHIFTING TO THE EAST IN FRONT OF WHAT WOULD NOW BE SWEETGREEN'S STOREFRONT, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, UM, THAT NEVER GOT IMPLEMENTED.

UM, SO IT'S STILL THE THREE SPACES ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE SITES.

UM, THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES FOUR SPACES.

SO THE, THE JUDGMENT WE HAD TO MAKE WAS, DO WE TAKE THE SITE FURTHER OUT OR WE DO.

WE TAKE IT OUT OF PARKING COMPLIANCE FOR TOTAL QUANTITY TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE HANDICAP, UH, PARKING AND THE APPROPRIATE.

WE FELT THE APPROPRIATE JUDGMENT WAS TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO, SO WHEN THEY REDO THEIR PARKING LOT, WHICH I'M SURE YOU SEE THAT AS A REALLY RESURFACE, IT'S NOT A TOTAL RECONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S A PRETTY BAD PARKING LOT IS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.

I BELIEVE THE CORRECT THAT CONDITION.

AND WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THEY DO IT TO, CAUSE THAT DID NOT HAPPEN LAST TIME BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PLAN.

IT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE A CONDITION.

IF THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, WE'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR MINUTES, IT'S JULY .

UM, NOW THEY, THEY JUST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING SOME CHALLENGES, UM, WITH, UH, GETTING THEIR PLANS TOGETHER.

IT'S A LOT OF ELEVATIONS.

UM, IT'S A LOT OF SITE LANDSCAPE WORK THAT THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED ON THAT PART OF THE PROJECT SINCE IT WAS INITIALLY ZONED.

SO THEY'VE HAD STAFF TURNOVER, UM, THEY'RE STRETCHED THEN BY, UM, THE CURRENT PACE AND DEVELOPMENT COST AND MATERIALS AND ON AVAILABILITY OF LABOR.

SO THEY'RE HAVING SOME CHALLENGES WITH GETTING THIS, UH, PARTICULAR, UH, ZONING APPLICATION THROUGH THE COMMISSION.

AND THEN SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE ITEMS THAT YOU SEE IN THE FIELD NOW, OR WORKING WITH THEM TO, TO GET THESE PLANS

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UM, UM, BOTH CONSTRUCTION AND ZONING.

UH, WE DO FEEL THEY'LL GET THERE.

IT'S JUST, THEY'RE EXPERIENCING SOME CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW, IS THAT THE SAME CHALLENGE IS WHY IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ONE BUILDING IT'S JUST SITTING THERE, NO ACTIVITY IS THAT, UH, UH, MATERIALS AND LABOR, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE? SO CHALLENGES WE'VE HAD WITH THEM AND REALLY IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE HISTORY OF THAT PROJECT IS, UM, MOVING THROUGH OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT AND GETTING PLANS APPROVED AND RELEASE FOR CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TIME TO CONSTRUCT THE HOME, UH, HAVING ISSUES WITH COMPLYING WITH THE APPROVED PLANS.

SO WE, UH, DO INSPECTIONS PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, OF COURSE, AND WE CATCH THOSE ISSUES WHEN WE HAVE, THEN HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THEY CHANGE, IF IT WAS A, IF IT WAS A CHANGE COMPLIES WITH THE BUILDING CODE.

UM, SO WE'RE, I'M GIVING AN EXAMPLE.

UM, SO THE CURRENT, UM, UH, ISSUE, UH, THAT IS HOLDING UP THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING FACING SOUTH TOWARDS BELTWAY, UM, THE, UH, HVAC SYSTEMS IN THAT BUILDING, UH, WERE NOT, UM, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS IN THE APPROVED MECHANICAL PLANS.

THAT MAY BE THE CASE.

IT MAY BE SIMPLY THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE MATERIAL ISSUES WE HAVE, THAT THEY HAD TO MAKE A REPLACEMENT, BUT THE FOLKS ON THE EXECUTION SIDE OF THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND, OR, OR MAYBE ARE FRUSTRATED BY HAVING TO GO THROUGH MORE PROCESS.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY SHOULDN'T DO IT AND DO THE RIGHT THING.

THEY MAY HAVE A PERFECTLY COMPLIANT AND THEY LIKELY DO A HVAC SYSTEM.

IT'S JUST NOT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

ALL WE CARE ABOUT IS THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE BUILDING CODES AND IT COMPLIES WITH THE PD STANDARDS THAT YOU NEED TO NOW SHOW THAT.

SO THAT IS WHAT IS HOLDING UP THAT BUILDING RIGHT NOW.

JUST ONE LITTLE THING CAN MAKE THE REQUEST THAT THEY KEEP THAT FENCE, THAT GREEN DRAPE ON THAT FENCE DOWN.

OTHERWISE IT LOOKS VERY UNTIDY.

YES, WE, WE DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM WEEKLY.

UM, WHAT I WOULD SHARE IS WE'RE IN A PERIOD OF A YEAR WHERE WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE A LOT MORE CHALLENGES WITH THE WIND.

AND SO IT TAKES, UH, IT TAKES A BEATING, UH, IT'S MORE OF A DAILY CORRECTION, UM, THAN, THAN MAYBE WEEKLY OR BI-WEEKLY.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT AND THEY RESPOND TO IT.

UM, IT'S JUST, IT TAKES A PRETTY BIG BEATING WITH THE WIND.

NOW, I WOULD SAY THAT IN DEFENSE OF THEM, THAT WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS WITH A COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT, THEY'RE VERY GOOD ABOUT GETTING YOUR FIXED IDEA GENERALLY.

YUP.

SO IS DISTRICT GETTING CLOSE TO GETTING CEO? YES.

IT HAS A CEO APPLICATION.

THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH A FEW ITEMS, WHICH WAS THAT ONE, THE WHISKEY BAR YEAH, WE GOT ONE MINUTE, I GUESS.

SO SHE HAS A JOURNEY.