* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS WORK [1. Call Meeting to Order] SESSION AND IT WASN'T PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ORDER TUESDAY, MARCH 15TH, 2020 TO 5:00 PM. [1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.] ALL RIGHT. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS CAN GET A STATUS UPDATE ON SOME OF THE RECENT PROJECTS GOING ON AROUND TOWN. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND SCHMIDT DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN OF EDISON, UH, AT THE, UH, LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UM, THERE WAS ONE ITEM, UH, THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION RECENTLY TOOK ACTION ON. THAT WAS THE REQUEST FOR PDD ZONING FOR TOWNHOMES, UH, THE FORMER SUPER EIGHT MOTEL SITE, UH, THAT WAS PROVED BY VOTE OF SIX TO ZERO BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT EVENING. I HAD A FAIR AMOUNT OF FOLKS THAT CAME FOR THAT ITEM AND SPOKE COMMENTS. SO IT WAS A INTERESTING PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, TALK THROUGH A LOT OF ISSUES THAT THE COMMISSION LITIGATED AS WELL. SO, UM, THAT PROJECTS YOU'LL EVENTUALLY SEE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU WITH BIG DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND THEN, UH, ONCE THEY GET INTO THE PLANNING. SO MORE TO FOLLOW ON THAT ONE, UH, WE DID ALSO MEET WITH THE SAM'S CLUB, UH, SPECIAL AREAS STUDY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, LAST NIGHT. UM, THE PURPOSE OF THAT MEETING WAS TO, UM, WRAP UP FOR FIVE MINUTES, UH, TO THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION. UH, THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR, UM, WATCHING THE LAST 10 MONTHS, UM, UH, HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION, UH, VERY PRODUCTIVE, UH, AND, UH, WE MADE, UH, FINAL REFINEMENTS TO THAT DOCUMENT. SO IT IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, WE ARE GOING TO DO A WORK SESSION WITH THE COMMITTEE, UH, WITH, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, WHERE WE'LL PRESENT THOSE OUTCOMES AND TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND GIVE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS A CHANCE TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THAT PROCESS. SO, UH, THAT HAS YET TO BE SCHEDULED, BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT ONE OF THE APRIL MEETINGS OF CITY COUNCILS, SO MORE TO FOLLOW ON THAT, UM, WHEN IT DOES, UM, ASSUMING COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE CURRENT DIRECTION, UH, STAFF WILL BE WRAPPING UP THE REPORT FOR THAT PROJECT THAT WILL BE RELEASED FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. AND ULTIMATELY THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION PRIOR TO IT GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ACTION. SO, UH, THAT WILL BE ON YOUR RADAR SOON. UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, THOSE ARE ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT IN THE, UH, ADDISON NEWSLETTER CAME OUT THIS WEEK, A LONG LIST OF RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO COME ON A DAY. IT WAS, I WAS GETTING READY TO JUMP IN THE CAR AND GO, YEAH. A LOT OF STUFF. AND THERE IS MORE COMMON IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR ADDISON AND THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. SO [2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the March 15, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting, including: February 15, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes PD Rezoning request for JPI Addison Heights (1843-Z) Development Plan for Addison Grove, Block D (1833-Z)] THE SECOND ITEM ON THE WORK AGENDA IS THE, A STEP IS THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR GREGORY READING. FIRST BEING THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 15TH MEETING, IS THERE ONE AT A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE? ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS, EDITS? THERE WAS ONE TYPO. I BROUGHT KEN'S ATTENTION, MISSPELLING OF CHAIR. UM, AND THEN I HAD A CONCERN OR QUESTION ON THE EMOTION THAT CHRIS MADE ON THE TOWNHOMES, WHERE HE MADE MOTION TO APPROVE WHAT WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE MINUTES IS THE LONG LIST OF VARIOUS, UM, CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS. IT WAS GRANTED AND SEPTEMBER LATE, THAT WAS NOT AN EMOTION THAT I'D ASKED KEN, IF, IF WE NEED TO READ THOSE INTO THE MINUTES, UM, IN THE FUTURE, OR IF WE COULD JUST SIMPLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ARE APPROVING SOME OF THE WAY THE CONDITIONS WRITTEN. I MIGHT'VE SAID SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED. NO, I MEAN, AND, AND, AND SHIT, AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADD ENGINE AND TO INCLUDE THOSE IN THE MINUTES OR SOMETHING, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A TECHNICALITY, I THINK, BUT IF, IF, IF IT'S NOT SOMEONE THAT MIGHT MAKE TAKE EXCEPTION, THAT REALLY WASN'T, THE MOTION WAS MADE. IF, IF THEY, WHATEVER OBJECTS IS SOMETHING THAT, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE COMMISSION'S PREFERENCE, I COULD, I COULD LITERALLY JUST, UM, INCLUDE IN THE MINUTES WHAT WAS STATED AND NOT AT THE CONDITIONS. I THINK PERSONALLY IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE CONDITIONS, BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THAT CONTEXT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO GO TO ANOTHER DOCUMENT AND SEE WHAT THE CONDITION, IT WAS A HORRIBLE TO THE WORLD, REFERENCING IT FROM ITS SECRECY APPROVED WITH THOSE CONDITIONS. YEAH. I THINK WE JUST, FOR MY OWN PERSONAL STANDPOINT, WE JUST SIMPLY SAY THE CONDITIONS AND HAVE THOSE REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES AND I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITHOUT HAVING TO READ THEM ALL. OKAY. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CONSENT ITEMS, IF YOU, [00:05:01] OH, JUST TO CLARIFY. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE MAKE THE MOTION, WE SHOULD SAY THAT WHEN YOU SAY WHEN THEY WERE PUT IN MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE PORTER REASONS, I MEAN, MOST OF THE TIME, THE CONDITIONS, IF WE NOT REFERENCED AN ALCOHOL IN THE RESTAURANT SIDE, IT'S USUALLY THE ONLY CONDITION, BUT IN THE TOWNHOUSE, AND THEN WE HAVE ONE TONIGHT IS GOING TO HAVE A LONG LIST OF CONDITIONS. AND WE JUST SIMPLY SAY SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS IN THE APP, IN THE STAFF REPORT AND HAVE IT REFLECTED. OKAY. UM, HERE ON NUMBER 11, THE REGULAR AGENDA, THESE ARE FROM THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 15TH. RIGHT. AND IT SAYS WE WERE APPROVING CONSIDER ACTUAL OVERNIGHT. UH, YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S A TYPO. IT SHOULD BE FEBRUARY 15TH. CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND THEN DOWN IN NUMBER THREE, UH, THIS IS JUST A SMALL THING. ONE WHERE IT SAYS, COMMISSIONER FANS LEARN. I THINK THERE IS THE WORD. IT, IT NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED. YES. FIRST IT, UM, ON THE SECOND LINE. YEAH. YES. AND THEN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH, MY WIFE WOULD BE UPSET IF SHE WAS DOING MY JOB TOO. AND THEN SOMETHING I'VE WRITTEN DOWN HERE ONLY KIND OF RIGHT BY THE NOTES. UH, OH, UM, LET'S SEE. THAT ONE SAYS OKAY. THAT FIRST SENTENCE MR. SCHMIDT RESPOND IS THAT WHEN HE INITIALLY MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND IT WAS DECIDED THAT AN APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT WOULD WAIT TO BE SUBMITTED UNTIL THE ADOPTION OF THE PLAN TO CLOSE SPECIAL AREA STUDY, I THINK THE WORD AND NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT AND THAT'S AS FAR AS THE TOP. EXCELLENT. ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT. I MEAN, I'LL HAVE PROMOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE MINUTES. DO YOU WANT TO ITEM UNDER CONSENT SUBJECT TO DO THE REVISION REMAINDER IN THE WORK SESSION? ALL RIGHT. THEN GOING, MOVING ON TO THE M J D I EDISON HEIGHTS, YOU WANT TO HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION IN QUESTIONS TO CAN TAKE UP A LOT OF ON POST-DOCS. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, REFRESH MY MEMORY. WHAT IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS, AS FAR AS THE NOISE ISSUE WITH THE AIRPORT, THAT BAUMAN WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE CAN-DO CAN'T DO? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN TYPE OF INSULATION DONE OR THE NOISE CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, SO IT IS NOT SO THAT WHEN, WHEN WE CONSIDER USE ME, UH, WHEN WE CONSIDER, UM, UH, NOISE SENSITIVE LAND USES, UH, ADJACENT TO THE, UH, JUAN, IT'S VERY CRITICAL FOR THE TOWN, UH, BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU ALL LEARNED IN THE BAUMAN, UH, CASE, UM, WE ARE NOT LIKE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, FLOWER, MOUNT OR SOUTH LAKE, WHERE WE'RE ADJACENT TO AN AIRPORT, BUT WE'RE NOT OPERATING IN THE AIRPORT. WE ARE OPERATING IN AN AIRPORT AND RECEIVE FUNDING TO OPERATE THE AIRPORT. SO IF WE WERE TO PERMIT USES THAT WERE INAPPROPRIATE, UH, DUE TO THEIR ADJACENCY, UH, TO THE AIRPORT AND WE'D PUT OUR FOAM BEING THAT RISK. SO, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS ONE NOISE. UM, AND THEN ALSO BUILDING HEIGHTS. UH, SO WITH NOISE, UH, THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATION WE CONSIDER IS, UH, THE RELATION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, TO THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, 65 DECIBEL, UH, CONTOUR, UH, FROM THE AIRPORT. SO ANYTHING, UM, 65 AND LESS, UH, IS APPROPRIATE FOR NOISE SENSITIVE LAND USES 65 AND ABOVE THEN YOU'RE, UH, IN A LOCATION WHERE, UH, THE IMPACTS [00:10:01] OF THE AIRPORT, THE NOISE IMPACTS SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE HARMFUL TO THE HEALTH OF THE OCCUPANTS OF THAT BUILDING. SO IN THIS CASE, UH, IT IS NOT WITHIN IT'S OUTSIDE, THE 65 WILL CONTOUR. SO NOISE, UH, IS NOT A CONSIDERATION. AND THAT WAS ALSO CONSIDERED, UH, WITH THE SPECIAL AREAS STUDY, UH, FOR ADDISON CIRCLE, UM, LOOKING AT THAT. UM, AND SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE AREA IN THAT PLAN. THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS THE ADDISON CIRCLE WEST SOME AREA, WHICH IS WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, BUT IT DOES ACTUALLY IMPACT THE TOD AREA. SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE TOD, UH, WHERE RESIDENTIAL USES 10 MINUTES BE DEVELOPED, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT HOPEFULLY HERE SOON AS WELL. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE THAT COMES INTO PLAY AT ITS HEIGHT, UH, AT THIS LOCATION, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A 10 TO 11 STORY BUILDING, UM, BEFORE YOU GET INTO, UM, THE, UM, AREA OF CONCERN FOR BUILDING HEIGHT ADJACENT TO THE REPORT. IS THERE JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE SORT OF ANY PART, WHAT, WHAT PART OF THE AIRPORT WAS THAT'S DECIBEL LEVEL SORT OF EXIST AT, IS IT TAKEOFF AND LANDINGS, OR I WAS THINKING OFF OF LAND BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU GET YOUR MOST THRUST AND ALSO THERE'S RECENT NUMBER OF BUILDINGS. YEAH. SO, SO GENERALLY IF YOU DREW SOME RINGS, UH, AROUND THE, UH, UH, UH, THE TAXIWAYS AND, AND THE FLIGHT PANTS, IT BASICALLY JUST KIND OF GRADUALLY EMANATES OUT FROM THERE. THE PEAKS ARE AT THE ENDS OF THE RUNWAYS. UM, BUT IT DOES ALSO OCCUR, UH, AT THE FLEX WAYS AS WELL. UH, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS AT THE END POINTS. AND THAT'S WHY THE OTHER LOCATION WAS MORE, YES, GOT IT. GOLEMAN WAS TOWARD THE END, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THIS ONE IS MORE IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN THE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE VULNERABILITY IS ACTUALLY IN THE TOD. IT'S ON, IT'S ON DARK PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. OKAY. A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO, UM, AGAIN, BACK TO THE NOISE CORRIDOR, IT WAS HARD. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT IN THE WORST CORNER, OR I'M NOT SAYING IT IS, BUT DO YOU HAVE THAT, YOU CAN PULL IT WITH THIS ART. UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING ANY TYPE OF MITIGATION NOISE MITIGATION WHATSOEVER, OR, OR SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE NOISE PORT OR ARE NOT IN ANYTHING, WE, WE CAN ADDRESS IT. UM, WE'VE TYPICALLY ADDRESSED IT MORE WITH SINGLE FAMILY, BUT, UM, IN A LOT OF THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE PUBLIC, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, IN TERMS OF IF THEY PLAN TO DO ANYTHING, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU CAN FEEL ACTUALLY 10 FEET ON THIS SIDE AND NOT GET WITH AIRPORT, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S NOT IN THE FLIGHT PLAN, LIKE A PLANE OR WHATEVER THAT'S CORRECT. UH IT'S IT'S ADJACENT. UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU CAN GET A TALLER BUILDING, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE AIRPORTS, ATTENDED 11 STORIES. BUT, UM, IT'S, ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE AREAS OF MORE SIGNIFICANT FOR EITHER AT THE, UH, ENDS OF THE RUNAWAYS AT, FOR INSTANCE, VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO THAT APARTMENT, THEY COULD GO BOTH CLASSROOMS, THEIR STAFF, THAT AIRPORT, THEY MAKE THEIR BED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LONG WAY FROM THE AIRPORT COMPARED TO THIS THING, THAT'S LIKE THE COWORKING SPACE. SO IS THAT JUST AN AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS OR IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY WILL ALLOW PEOPLE THAT AREN'T RESIDENTS TO BE A PART OF AND CHARGE THEM? UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WOULD JUST BE FOR THE RESIDENTS. AND IS THERE ANY TIME CONSTRAINTS ON THAT OF, I KNOW IT SAID THAT IF THEY FOUND THE TIME AND POINT WHEN IT WOULD BE CONVERTED TO RETAIL, BUT THEY AREN'T GETTING ANY APPROVAL OF AFTER SO MANY YEARS, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY JUST BECOMES AN APARTMENT. I MEAN, LIKE, HOW DOES THAT LANGUAGE WORK WITH YOUR NO, THE MAIN OPTION IS THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONVERT IT TO RETAIL IF THE MARKET EVER JUSTIFIES THAT, UM, IN MY OPINION, UH, THAT IS A WHOLE LONG WAYS OFF IF IT'S EVER POSSIBLE. UM, BUT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION IS NOT SETTING A CONDITION WHERE IF IT COULD HAPPEN, THE BUILDING WASN'T DESIGNED TO SUPPORT IT AND THE ZONING DIDN'T ALLOW FOR IT. UM, BUT, UH, TO BE FRANK IN THIS AREA, WE WANT TO FOCUS, UM, IN THE NEAR TERM RETAIL RESTAURANT SERVICE INVESTMENT, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING SPACE AND ADDISON CIRCLE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FILLED. IS THERE A DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR THAT? [00:15:01] OR IS IT JUST LIKE THE PART WHERE IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE THE SPECIALTY TYPE STUFF DONE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? TH THERE IS, UM, A BIG CONSIDERATION IS THE FLORIDA CEILING HEIGHTS THING, ACCOUNTING FOR THINGS SUCH AS IT'S GOT ELATION, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT IN THE FUTURE GREASE TRAP AND OTHER FACILITIES. SO THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS, UH, I THINK THE WAY THEY'RE SETTING THIS UP IS, IS PROBABLY A SUPPORT, MORE, UH, SERVICES, SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GOING TO CREATE A HIGH DEMAND. BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY THE PRIME LOCATION TO, TO, UH, HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF RETAIL AND OFFICE ACTIVITY, BUT SOMETHING THAT COULD SERVE THAT IMMEDIATE AREA WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, CERTAINLY COULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING USE. I MEAN, I KINDA LIKE MAYBE MARCO'S PIZZA WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF GREASE TRAP, SOME SORT OF COOKING AS, YOU KNOW, SMALL SPACE TYPE OF THING. THEORETICALLY, THEY COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT ONCE AGAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE FRONT END AND THINK THAT, SO YOU'D BE DONE, THE APP WAS BUILT OR, UH, IDEALLY DO IT ALL IT'S BEING BUILT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RETROFIT IT A BIG CHALLENGE. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, UM, RETROFIT CONSIDERATIONS IS, UM, IF YOU ALREADY HAVE THE BUILDING AND IMPROVEMENTS, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO RETROFIT THOSE BUILDINGS AND EXPENSIVE AND POTENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT I'M ALLUDING TO, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT HAVE STUFF ALREADY BUILT IN TO BE QUICKLY NOT FULL FLEDGED, NO TYPES, AND A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. SO ON SOME OF THE WAIVERS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PULL UP THE NOISE CONTOURS OR YOU GOT A HANDY? I CAN PULL IT OUT OF THE STUDY. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE DEALS THAT THEY'VE DONE THE SAME WAY EAST BRANCH AND ALL THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE, SO HERE'S THE NOISE COME TO HER MAP? THE BLUE WOULD BE WHERE NOISE SENSITIVE LAND USES CANNOT BE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES IS RIGHT THERE. YEAH, BECAUSE I CAN, I MEAN, I CAN HEAR THE AIRPORT FROM MY HOUSE. AND IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU CAN SEE THAT ADDISON CIRCLE WAS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. SO IT IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN EXPERIENCING THIS FOR AWHILE. UM, KEEPING IT'S FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, THE BLUE IS THE, IS THE RED LINE. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, YOU COULD, YOU COULD YOU, CAN YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN AND JUST TO SEE WHERE BAUMAN WAS? HE WAS DEFINITELY RIGHT THERE. HE WAS RIGHT THERE. HE WAS IN THE, I WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. SO THIS LINE, THIS LINE HERE IS THIS LINE RIGHT HERE HAS BEEN 12 BOOKS, 13 STORIES AT THE PROPERTY ABOUT 10 STORIES. OKAY. SO ON SOME OF THE WAIVERS, UM, SO JUST LIKE WALKING THROUGH WHY YOU'RE OKAY WITH AND WHY IT'S IN THE TOWN'S BEST INTEREST ON, ON SOME OF THESE, UM, LANDSCAPE COVERAGE, UH, FROM 20% TO 16. UM, I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING $150,000 TREATED LITIGATION, BUT ALL THE TREES WERE PLANTED ON THAT BLOCK, WHICH AGAIN, HE DID THAT PURPOSELY THOUGH. I'M SURE. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF NICK, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, LIKE EVERY CASE AND PARTICULARLY THESE CONSTRAINTS, LIGHTS, THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE TO, TO THESE WAIVERS. UM, LIKE THE CODE THAT WAS WRITTEN WAS WHAT WAS WRITTEN FOR A GREENFIELD PROJECT. UM, AND IT WAS INTENDED TO FACILITATE THAT TYPE OF PROJECT, URBAN DENSE WALKABLE, AND IT BUILT IN FLEXIBILITY WITH A ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THAT MAY BE NEEDED BASED ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE SITES, THE MARKET, THE DEVELOPERS, INTERESTS [00:20:01] AND TALENTS AND INTERESTS. SO WAIVER IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY BAD, BUT WE CERTAINLY NEED TO LOOK VERY CAUTIOUSLY AT THOSE WAIVERS, PARTICULARLY IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WHERE THERE'S MORE WAIVERS, UM, WITH MY APPROACH TO THIS REVIEW, UM, WE KIND OF TOOK THE, THE KITCHEN SINK APPROACH AND, AND, UH, WENT THROUGH THE URBAN CENTER CODE AND ASSOCIATED CODES AND IDENTIFIED EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT, UM, WITH, UH, TOWN ORDINANCES. UM, I DO NOT HAVE FISTS OF, UM, UH, ALL, UH, MY IMMEDIATE PREDECESSOR WHO DID A LITTLE BIT OF WORK IN ADDISON CIRCLE. UM, BUT REALLY THE, THE, UH, PAST PLANNING DIRECTOR BEFORE CHARLES CARMEN, RYAN, UM, SHE REVIEWED EVERYTHING IN ADDISON CIRCLE AND KNEW IT BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS AND VERY IN DEPTH, REALLY NEGOTIATED A LOT OF TOUGH DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS, UM, IN ADDISON CIRCLE ON USING THIS CODE. SO THERE IS SOME NUANCE TO THAT AND HOW IT WAS APPLIED, WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN APPLIED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, VERSUS SOMEONE JUST PICKING UP THE CODE AND LOOKING AT IT AND, AND APPLYING A BLACK AND WHITE APPROACH TO IT. IT'S MY OPINION. UM, AND, AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE, DO AN INTERESTING EXERCISE, TAKE A WALK AROUND ADDISON CIRCLE, TAKE A WALK AROUND THE TREE AND THINK ABOUT THE CODE AND LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE STREET SCAPE, THE BUILDING SETBACK, BUILDING MATERIALS, YOU'LL SEE SOME NUANCE AND THAT, HEY, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A WAIVER HERE. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A WAIVER THERE FOR THE, THE LANDSCAPE, UM, THE 20% LANDSCAPE AREA REQUIREMENT AND THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER BASED ON REVIEWING THE STAFF REPORTS FROM THE PAST PROJECTS AND BASED ON HOW THE AMALIE ADDISON CIRCLE PROJECT WAS TREATED. I DON'T BELIEVE THE TOWN APPLIED THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT ADDISON CIRCLE, UH, FOR A COUPLE REASONS. UM, ONE THE URBAN FORM, UH, IT'S MUCH MORE DENSE AND THERE'S MUCH LESS LANDSCAPE. UM, IT ALLOWS FOR 85% LOT COVERAGE. THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS IN THERE THAT I THINK COULD MEET THE 20% AND CAN MEET THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. BUT, UM, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE I I'M VERY PUZZLED BY WHETHER THEY, THEY DO, UM, OR WHETHER THEY COME CLOSE OR THEY'D PROBABLY BE MORE SIMILAR TO THIS PROJECT. THE LIBRARY IS AN EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT IT'S, UM, VERY SMALL SETBACKS. IT HAD A STREET TREES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE LARGE BUILDINGS, SETBACKS. YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPEN SPACE WITH IT. EVERYTHING'S INTERIOR. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. IT'S UM, SO DON'T TAKE THAT AS A CRITIQUE OF IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE A PROJECT LIKE THAT MEETS THE 20%. THEY ONLY ADDED SOME PROJECT DID NOT MEET THE 20% EITHER DO THEIR, CORTNER IT GO TOWARDS THAT? A LOT OF THOSE INTERIOR COURTYARDS WOULD HAVE TREE COVERING AND SURE. LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT DOES THAT GO INTO IS THAT OR NOT? AND THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT IT'S HARD TO TELL BASED ON THE HISTORY. I THINK IN PROJECTS LIKE VITRUVIAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, A LOT MORE INTERIOR AMENITY THAT I THINK WAS COUNTED TOWARDS IT. BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE DOING THE REVIEW OVER THE YEARS, AND IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT WAS COUNTED OR WHAT WAS NOT. IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE OLD STAFF REPORTS FOR ADDISON CIRCLE, THE HUGE FOCUS RELATED TO THE LANDSCAPE WAS ON THE STREET, TREES, SPACING THE SPECIES. THE, UH, I CANNOT FIND ANYTHING THAT MENTIONS IN ANY ADDISON CIRCLE PLAN, WHETHER 20% LANDSCAPE AREA IS ACHIEVES. THAT SUGGESTS TO ME THAT IT IS REALLY MORE OF A SUBURBAN CONDITION THAT WE WEREN'T APPLYING THAT THE URBAN CENTER DISTRICT, WHICH MAKES SENSE. UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, AS STAFF, WE STILL WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT CONDITION TO CONSIDER, AND WE WANT TO PUSH THE APPLICANT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UH, THE BALANCE OF THAT IS WE WANT IT TO BE AN URBAN PROJECTS. AND IF YOU'RE REQUIRING AND A LOT OF LANDSCAPE, IT STARTS TO, UM, YOU START TO HAVE SOME CONFLICTS CONFLICTS OUT IN THAT. IF YOU'RE ACQUIRING A BUILDING TO ENGAGE A STREET AND HAVING WIDE SIDEWALKS THAT ULTIMATELY TAKES AWAY FROM LIGHTSPEED AREA, IT'S SIMILAR TO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARKING WITH THESE RESTAURANTS, IF WE WANT A BUILDING WITH GREAT PARKING, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM LANDSCAPE. IF WE WANT AN URBAN STREET EDGE, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM LANDSCAPE, BUT THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET LANDSCAPE BACK. THIS PROJECT DOES MAY NOT NEED TO BE AS DENSE AS IT IS. THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE DEVELOPER TO ADDRESS. THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY NEED THAT [00:25:01] DENSITY TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK. SO THERE'S GIVE AND TAKE THOUGH, UH, JUST MENTALLY TO THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT TOO, IS, IS IT'S MUCH HARDER TO KEEP REALLY GOOD LANDSCAPED IN VERY HEAVY CONCRETED, VERY SHADED IN THESE AREN'T TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS. SO YOU LOSE A LOT OF GROWTH PATTERN. SO IT IS FROM AN OWNER STANDPOINT, IT'S HARD TO HAVE THE RIGHT KIND OF LANDSCAPING, KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THOSE ROOT SYSTEMS, GET THERE AND BUCKLING, SIDEWALKS, AND MEAN JUST THERE'S A TRADE-OFF THERE OF, OF YES. HITTING CODE, BUT PRACTICALITY OF, IF IT JUST BECOMES AN EYESORE BECAUSE THEY PUT PROBLEMATIC DEFEATS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO. I JUST, I LIKED YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UM, AS IN CIRCLE, I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE SOME STREETS THAT I THINK ARE AMAZING, YOU KNOW, THE WAY, THE WAY THE TREES HAVE DEVELOPED IN CANOPY. UM, SO I, THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT HAVING THAT LANDSCAPE STANDARD. SO WHEN I, WHEN I SEE THAT THE ASKING FOR WAIVERS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT COMING TO YOU. AND YOU'RE JUST SAYING, OKAY, SURE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO IS FINE. I HOPE THAT'S NOT THE CASE. NO, NO. WE PUSHED THESE PROJECTS. AND JUST LIKE THE TOWNHOME PROJECT THAT WE HAD LAST MONTH, WE PUSHED THEM UNTIL THEY SAY NO. ULTIMATELY THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THE PROJECT'S VIABLE FOR THEM. AND WHAT CHARACTERISTICS MAKE THE PROJECT BIBLE. I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT, THAT YOU WOULD PUSH THEM TO REALLY SAY NO, BECAUSE I REALLY, I REALLY THINK IN, ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, THE LANDSCAPE IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE AND THERE ARE AREAS OF TOWN WHERE YOU DRIVING MADISON, MADISON, BECAUSE IT'S JUST DIFFERENT BECAUSE OUR STANDARDS ARE HIGHER. AND THEN SOMETHING LIKE THE 50 FOOT SPACING VERSUS THE THIRTIES, WHAT'S YOUR THERE. SO THERE'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. THAT'S A NUANCE. SO THAT SURPRISINGLY IS PREFERRED BY OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. AND SO WE'RE NOT, NOT DUE TO MAINTENANCE ISSUES. UM, SO ONE OF THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM ADDISON CIRCLE, BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TREES ARE GROW UP, ARE SUCH A CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT OF IT. BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT HAS CREATED IS CREATING CONFLICTS NOW. SO ONE, UH, PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, IT'S INCREDIBLY DARK. UH, IT DROWNS OUT THE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, THE TREES THAT GROW INTO EACH OTHER. IT'S A 50 FOOT SPACING STILL ALLOWS YOU TO DEVELOP A BEAUTIFUL CANOPY. YOU SEE IT IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE MAGNOLIA, TREES ARE LIVE OAK TREES THAT ARE SIX FEET AWAY FROM THEIR HOUSE AND THEY LOOK GOOD. NOW AT 25 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BUCKLED. YOU KNOW? SO YEAH, HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING IN FULL MITIGATION TO GET OUT OF THIS? IT'S 1 75 PER CALIBER RANGE? SO THE CHALLENGE IS, IS WE WANT THEM TO APPLY IT AS MUCH ON SITE AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TRANSFORMING A PROPERTY, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN AG PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. AND IT'S GOING TO, IT'S PROPOSED TO GO DO A, A VERY URBAN PROPERTY. SO THE REALITY IS, IS, AND WITH THE WAY THEY'VE LANDSCAPED, IT, IT'S, IT'S INEVITABLE THAT THAT TREE LOSS WILL OCCUR. UM, THE STREET TREES CAN CERTAINLY, UH, ARE CERTAINLY BEING USED TO MITIGATE MITIGATED DECLINING TREES AND THE OPEN SPACE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING. UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, THEY REQUIRE A WATER LINE IN THAT PEDESTRIAN AREA. THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD LATER IN THE REVIEW PROCESS TO REMOVE THAT WATER LINE, BUT AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, THAT'S PREVENTING THEM FROM PLANTING ADDITIONAL TREES ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING. CAN THE PUBLIC PRIVATE COURTYARD, I GUESS IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE, WAS WHERE, WHAT, WHAT IS MEANT BY PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, BUT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE. SO IT WOULD BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE, UM, UH, MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT. SO, UH, ANYONE COULD USE THE SPACE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED BECAUSE IF THEY OWN IT, THEY CAN ALSO REGULATE THAT YOU CAN USE IT. I MEAN, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED PUBLIC, BUT THEY MAY LIMIT THE USE OF THAT SOME WAY. SO IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, UM, DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS, A, AN EASEMENT OF PUBLIC ACCESS AND USING IT WOULD BE APPLIED AND APPLYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, ESTABLISHING IT AS A AREA IT'S EQUIVALENT TO IT BEING, UH, A PUBLIC STREET. OKAY. UM, TELL ME A LITTLE ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN MASONRY CONSTRUCTION FROM 90%, 40%. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THAT IN THE NEAR AREA THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THAT CALM OR REDUCTION? [00:30:01] I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATA POINTS. YOU CAN SEE SOME BUILDINGS THAT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ARE, ARE SIMILAR TO THIS, WHETHER IT'S A SIGNIFICANT OF A REDUCTION. I CAN'T DEFINITIVELY SAY THAT, UM, THE MOST WHAT, I'M SORRY, THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DO A REDUCTION IN COST. I, THE REALITY IS IT IS A REDUCTION IN COST FOR THEM, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT PRODUCES AN UGLY BUILDING. UH, I THINK THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS TO CONSIDER. IF THE MATERIALS ARE PRODUCING A UNATTRACTIVE BUILDING, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADDRESS FOR ME. THEY HAVE MASONRY WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT AND THAT'S AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL. SO WHEN YOU'RE WALKING, UH, THIS AREA OF FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR AT A MINIMUM HAS ALL BREAKING GLAZING. UM, WHEN YOU START TO GET INTO THE TRANSITIONS FROM GOING TO THE THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH STORY, SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO USE, UM, MATERIAL CHANGES TO HELP BREAK UP THE SCALE OF A BUILDING. UM, I THINK THIS BUILDING DESIGN IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE EVERY OTHER FOUR OR FIVE STORY MULTI-FAMILY BRETT BUILDING. SO I THINK TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY'VE DESIGNED AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE MATERIAL CONCERNS AND, AND THEY NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. UH, I THINK IT HAS HELPED THEM CREATE DIFFERENT COLORS, DIFFERENT TRANSITION AND MATERIALS, AND REALLY BREAK OUT WHAT CAN BE, UH, A LARGE BUILDING AND MAKE IT LOOK MORE ATTRACTIVE. BUT, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT MATERIALS CAN BE A POINT OF PASSION AND A CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO QUALITY. IS THIS THE SECOND STEP THOUGH, RIGHT? IT IS WHICH WHEN THIS MAY SCENARIO CODE WAS PUT IN FACT, CAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS THEY DIDN'T USE A LOT, AS MANY STORIES STICK BUILT. SO IT'S THAT AFFECTING THAT MATH? I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT BASICALLY WHEN THE CODE WAS PROBABLY DEVELOPED THREE AND FOUR IS PROBABLY THE MAX ABOUT THE ADDED HEIGHT. NOW THAT'S ALLOWED BY BUILDING CODE, WHICH KIND OF, TO ME CAUSES SOME OF THE ISSUES TOO. YEAH. SO HIGHER. SO IF ADDISON CIRCLE WAS BUILT TODAY, IT WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT IF MY OFFER DROVE, BUT IT WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE THE TRIBUNE. SO THEY HOLD ON THESE NUMBERS. UM, I I'D SAY IN GENERAL, HISTORICALLY THE EMERGENT DEVELOPER THAT A LOT OF TIMES PARTNER, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY, I MEAN, AS A DEVELOPER, DOING IT FOR A FEE WAS SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE EQUITY. AND SO TYPICALLY PROBABLY YOUR EQUITY PARTNER CONTROLS IT MORE, BUT WE DID A JOINT VENTURE WITH THEM AND RUNNING THE DELT RIGHT LONG TIME AGO. AND WE WERE A LONGTERM HOLDER AND WE JUST BOUGHT THEM OUT. SO, BUT WE WERE THAT EQUITY ON IT. SO A LONGTERM HOLDER WAS THE EQUITY. SO AGAIN, THE LAST QUESTION I AM ON THE MASTER TRAILS, THIS SECTION EVENTS AND ROSES IS DESIGNATED AS A ROADWAY AND THEN ABOVE HER AND THEN A VERY WIDE SIDEWALK. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY A SIDEWALK, VERY LITTLE LOVER PROBABLY, BUT THE SIDEWALK IS REALLY MORE WALKABLE THAN IT IS FOR BIKES. AND SO IT LOOKS AS IF WE'RE GOING TO BE FORCING THE BIKES ONTO ADDISON ROAD, WHICH WAS INCONSISTENT WITH MASTER TRAILS. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE ARE ROAD SHARING AREAS WITHIN THE TOWN, CORUM AND BELTWAY, AND SOME OTHER AREAS THAT ADD SOME ROAD BEING AS BUSY IS THEY WANTED TO KEEP THE BIKES OFF THE ROAD. THIS WILL NOT DO THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TAKING A BIKE DOWN THAT 10 FOOT SIDEWALK, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE RETAIL CENTER. UM, SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO BIKE THERE, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT ALL OR HOW IT INHERENT OR DENIED HERE TO THAT, TO THE MASTER TRAILS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARTICULAR PART OF MASS. IT REALLY KIND OF THAT ISSUE IS INTERESTING. IT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE OF ALIGNING LAND USE WITH INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING. UM, SO THIS WHOLE EDGE OF ADDISON ROAD, WHEN YOU CONSIDER EXISTING ADDISON CIRCLE, THE TOD, THIS AREA, THE TOWN HAS LAND USE PLANS FOR IT TO BE URBAN AND FOR IT TO BE WALKABLE. BUT THEN WE HAVE A TRAIL MASTER PLAN THAT PRIMARILY CONSIDERS UH, RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY. SO THAT INCLUDES RIDING BIKES. AND SO YOU KIND OF HAVE A CONTEXT AND INFRASTRUCTURE MISALIGNMENT. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T WORK, BUT IN ADDISON CIRCLE, UH, IN MY MIND, OUR PARKS DIRECTOR WORKED THROUGH THIS CONSIDERATION WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL. [00:35:01] UM, IT NEEDS TO BE, AND THE CONTEXT, THE BUILDING BEING ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK, THE STREET TREES, THE PAVING TREATMENT, IT, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A CALMING EFFECT. THIS ISN'T THE TRAIL OR THE SEGMENT OF THE TRAIL WHERE I'M GETTING ON MY ROAD BIKE. AND, AND, AND ON DOWN THAT TRAIL, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE WHERE IF I'M RIDING MY BIKE CASUALLY AND I'M PAYING ATTENTION, I CAN DO IT ON THIS. IT'S A 10 FOOT CLEAR PATH, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, IS ALIGNED FOR A, UM, UH, A VERY ACTIVE RECREATIONAL TREE ELEMENT. I WOULD EXTEND THAT CONSIDERATION TO THE ENTIRE WESTERN EDGE OF ADDISON CIRCLE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A WALKABLE AREA IT'S, IT'S URBAN. SO IT IS THEIR INTENT WITH RETAIL. SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO DO, OR WAS THAT THEY'RE DOING THINKING AS THE LINE, THE COTTON BOWL LINE OR HER COTTON COTTON IS ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD. UM, COMES THROUGH THAT. THEY THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEED FOR RETAIL. OR I ONLY ASK THAT BECAUSE IT GETS WORST ON CITIES, FORCED AMONG DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME IN PLACES. IT SHOULDN'T BE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DID WANT TO LOST PLANETS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HER, BY THE BOATHOUSE. WE WERE THE FIRST PROJECT OVER THERE WHEN I YEARS, 10, 15 YEARS AGO. AND TO THIS DAY, IT'S STILL NOT CONVERTED TO RETAIL. SO THAT'S THE BACKGROUND, I GUESS SOME WHY THEY'RE DOING THE RETAIL IT'S IT WAS PART OF THIS SPECIAL AREA STUDY POLICY. IT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT THIS PROPERTY IS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE MARKET MAY NOT BE READY. SO IT'S NOT DUDE MAKING THE MISTAKE THAT A LOT OF CITIES HAD MADE WHERE YOU JUST, YOU JUST PUT IN THE RETAIL SPACE AND, AND HOPE THAT IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME BECAUSE IN MOST CASES, THE MARKET'S NOT THERE. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT COMING. UM, BUT ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD IT, UH, IN THIS CASE, SOME OF IT IS A OF SPACE. SOME OF IT IS, UH, UNITS. UM, IF FOR SOME REASON, THIS, THIS AREA BECOMES JUST ABSOLUTELY HAPPENING AND, AND IT'S A GREAT RETAIL CORNER, UM, OR AGENT SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. AND THEY CAN MAKE THAT CONVERSION. IF IT WORKS FOR THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, THEY, THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT DOES, BUT THEY WANT TO COMPLY WITH, AND IS THE FACADE CURRENTLY LIKE PROJECT THAT I'M REFERRING TO THAT I KNOW WE DID AND THEY DID PURE LIVE WORK. THEY DIDN'T DO IT FOR A MINUTE. HE STAY. SO THEY MADE THEM LOST OUT, KNOW THEY WERE RETOLD DOOR FRIENDS AND ALL THAT. DO YOU HAVE THAT ON THIS? OR IS IT MUCH MORE OF A GLASS AND AN ENTRY JUST REPLACE IT, THAT THEY WILL LATER HAVE TO GO INSTALL OVER DIFFERENT DAYS IF THEY END UP PUTTING MULTIPLE RETAIL ON IT? SO THE, THE DWELLING UNIT CONVERSIONS WOULD NEED TO BE CONVERTED. UM, THE AMENITY SPACE, UH, IS, UH, IS A VERY NICE STOREFRONT. I GIVES ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REQUESTS WE MADE AT THEM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER, UM, THIS IS BUYABLE FOR, FOR RETAIL NOW OR INTO THE FUTURE, HAVING THAT, THAT CORNER. UM, SO THE ENTRYWAY THAT ENGAGES AS SOME ROAD AND AIRPORT PARKWAY, AND THEN THE AMENITY SPACE, BOTH TO THE NORTH RAGGING AIRPORT PARKWAY, AND THEN THE SOUTH AND DOWN AS IN THE ROAD, GIVEN THAT MORE OF A COMMERCIAL CHARACTER. SO EVEN IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T EVER BEHAVE THAT WAY, AT LEAST HAS THAT LOOK. SO SAY IT DISTINGUISHES ITSELF FROM SAY THE KELLER SPRINGS PROJECT TO THE NORTH. SO, SO WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE THE EXTERIORLY ON THE X, OR IT'S JUST GOING TO BE CONVERSION WITH INTERIORS TOO. IF THEY HAVE TO CONVERT THE, THE UNITS WOULD BE EXTERIOR, UM, ASSAD MODIFICATIONS, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NOW, THEY WOULD DO IT AT A LATER DATE AND COME BACK THROUGH. IT'D BE BASED ON US ON THERE, THEIR USE OF DEMAND. AT THAT TIME. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IS THERE ADEQUATE PARKING? IF THESE ARE CONVERTED TO RETAIL, IN ADDITION TO THE PRESIDENT'S BOOK? YES, THEY, THEY MEET, UH, URBAN CENTER PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CURRENT CONDITION, THE RETAIL READY, AND THE RETAIL WAS IMPLEMENTED. OKAY. AND THEN OTHER T ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT, UM, THERE IS A RIGHT TURN ON AND COMING OUT OF THE PARKING GARAGE, IS THERE LEFT TURN ALLOWED FROM ADDISON ROAD INTO DEVELOPMENT? MY CONCERN IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. NORTH IS THE INTERSECTION FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, AND IF A FIRE TRUCK IS HEADING SOUTH, UM, DURING RUSH HOUR, FOR INSTANCE, IN SOMEBODY'S TEND TO BE TURN LEFT ONTO NOT INTO, UM, WHATEVER THAT ROAD IS, BUT INTO THE PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE AND THE LEFT TURN LANE OFF OF ADDISON ROAD, JUST SOUTH OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, WAS THAT INCLUDED IN ANYTHING, HAS ANYONE EVEN BROUGHT THAT UP AS AN ISSUE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT [00:40:01] COULD DELAY RESPONSE TIME FOR THE PARK. UH, SO CONDITIONS SUCH AS THAT ARE OUR TYPICAL CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE, UM, REVIEW AND EVALUATE A TIA, UH, THAT DID NOT GET RAISE AS A CONCERN. UH, THE CONCERN WAS PEAK HOUR LEFT TURNS OUT OF THE SITE ON THIS AND THE ROAD. UM, BUT GIVEN THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A TRAFFIC SIGNAL ON ADDISON ROAD, UM, I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE THAT BECOMING AN ISSUE, BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN DISCUSS IT MORE WITH AN ENGINEER WHO'S COMING NORTH. I ASKED HIM BEFORE THEY GET TO THE LIGHT, SO THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE BACKING UP FROM LINE DURING RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. AND NOW YOU'VE GOT A CAR COMING THROUGH, GOING SOUTH, TRYING TO ATTEMPT AN ATTORNEY AND LEFT. AND THEY GOT STUCK WITH THE CARS IN THE CUBE GOING NORTH. AND THEY'RE SITTING THERE IN THAT LEFT LANE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE OTHER LANE GOING SOUTH, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE CARS IN IT. PEOPLE CAN GET FROM BEHIND THAT CAR TURNING LEFT, AND THEN YOU HAVE A FIRE TRUCK COMING. I JUST SEE AS, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NO LEFT TURN FROM ADDISON ROAD INTO THE STRUCTURE, UM, CONSIDERATION, MAYBE I'M OVER. I THINK IF IT WAS A, IF IT WAS A THREE LANE ROAD AND JUST THE CENTER TURN LANE, THAT WOULD PROB THAT MAY BE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAD ONE TRAVEL LANE THERE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL LANES GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, IF THERE'S ONE PERSON WAITING TO TURN AND THE LEFT LANE, THE RIGHT LANE, SHE'D BE PUSHING THROUGH TRAFFICS. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD, UH, WOULD BE AN ISSUE. TYPICALLY I, IN A WORST CASE SCENARIO, COULD IT BECOME AN ISSUE PERHAPS? UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BROUGHT UP AS A CONCERN OR, OR IT'S COME UP IN THE TIA THOUGH. SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS OR I HAVE A QUESTION AND THEN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. SO THERE ARE NINE, UM, WAIVERS THAT ARE BEING SUBMITTED TO THEM. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT MANY ON ANY NEW PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. THAT'S SEEMS LIKE A LOT. I GET THEM ALL. IS THERE ANY, THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT OR SOME MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS AND IF SOME ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS, IS THERE A WAY TO SORT OF DELINEATE THEM? NO, AS TO THIS IS IN YOUR MIND, THIS IS 1, 2, 3, AND THIS IS NINE. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO GET DONE. BUT, UM, WITH THE PRESENTATION, I'LL BE, UM, GOING THROUGH EACH ONE, ONE BY ONE, SOME OF THEM, UM, I HAVE CONCERNS OF WHETHER YOU'VE EVEN LIKE THE LANDSCAPE AREA, ONE ON THE STREET, UH, BUFFER. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER WE'VE EVER APPLIED THAT TO A SIMILAR PROJECT BEFORE WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT. UM, THERE ARE SOME, UM, SUCH AS, UH, THE, UH, ORNAMENTAL TREES UNDERNEATH POWER LINES. THAT ONCE AGAIN IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT THEM TO DO BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THEY HAVE TO CUT A BIG NOTCH IN THE TREE BECAUSE IT'S UNDERNEATH POWER LINES. UH, THE SHADE TREE ISSUE THAT WE DISCUSSED, I THINK PROBABLY THE MOST CHALLENGING, UM, WHERE YOURS, UH, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THEM IN, IN GREATEST DETAIL, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION IS THE, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS THAT IS, IT, IT, IT REALLY PLAYS INTO THE WHOLE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING. UH, IT'S NOT JUST FOR ME, IT'S NOT JUST A PERCENTAGE THING, BUT WHETHER A SPECIFIC MATERIAL HELPS THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, UH, BEHAVE BETTER AND PROBABLY THE BUILDING SETBACK ISSUE, UH, WHICH IS ALSO PRETTY NUANCED BASED ON HOW TOWN STAFF, UM, UH, ENFORCE THAT BEFORE. THERE'S ONE, UM, ANOTHER BUILDING SETBACK ISSUE IT'S, UH, REALLY REFERRED TO STEP BACKS. UM, IT'S A REQUIREMENT WHERE, UH, ANY BUILDING OR A PORTION OF A BUILDING OVER 50 FEET, UH, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO START STEPPING BACK THE PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING, UH, THAT GO THAT HIGH, SOMETHING THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN TOWN. I ONLY KNOW TWO BUILDINGS. ONE IS FIORI, AND THAT'S AN OBVIOUS ONE. THERE'S A HUGE SETBACK. AND THEN THERE'S ONE BUILDING. UH, AND I ADDISON CIRCLE THAT THAT BASE IS NORTH IN CASES, BECKER PARK, IT'S WHERE THE NEW YORK, UH, FOR THE PIZZA PLACES LIKE THE UPPER FLOOR, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A STEP BACK, BUT EVERY OTHER MULTIFAMILY BUILDING IN TOWN AND OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT I'M AWARE OF STEP BACK TO BORDERS PROVIDED. SO THIS ONE IS UNIQUE IN THAT THERE IS A BIT OF A STEP BACK PROVIDED, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT STILL DOESN'T FULLY COMPLY WITH THE, SO THE POLITICAL TO THE WHOLE PROJECT, OR IS THAT [00:45:01] JUST OCCURRING IN ONE AREA? UM, WHEN YOU SAY THE WHOLE PROJECT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT OR ADDISON CIRCLE PROJECT? IT WOULD BE EMPLOYABLE BUILDING WITH THE SETBACKS. THE CHANGE WITHIN THE SETBACK WAIVER IS TO ALLOW THE DENSITY TO GET THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? SO THAT IS WHY THEY, IT, UM, THERE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY ON THAT. UM, PRIMARILY THEIR REASONING FOR IT IS IF THEY HAD THE MEAT THAT SETBACK 10 FEET AT AIRPORT PARKWAY AND HAD SOME ROAD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATE, UH, A VERTICAL WALL PLANE OF UNITS, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY DROP THEIR, THEIR UNIT YIELD A 25% AND THEN PUT SOME OF THE ALLOPATHIC OF NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THE PROJECT. THAT'S NOT OUR CONCERN. OUR CONCERN IS WHETHER THAT ACCOMMODATION IS WORTHWHILE TO THE TOWN AND THEY CAN STILL ACHIEVE THE CHARACTER AND THE APPROPRIATE DESIGN THAT IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ADDISON CIRCLE AND REALLY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN ADDISON. SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT ONE IN DETAIL TOO. UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S SOME NUANCE TO THAT. THERE'S SOME GOOD FEATURES THAT THEY DID THAT I THINK CAN HELP MITIGATE THAT, WHETHER IT FULLY MITIGATES IT IN, IN YOUR MIND, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT THE AIRPORT PARKWAY, PUBLIC PLAZA, UH, THAT THAT'S A HUGE STEP BACK. AND YOU TAKE THAT AND SPRINKLE IT AROUND THE WHOLE BUILDING. YOU GOT, YOU GOT YOUR AND STUFF. OKAY. THAT WAS THE LEGISLATION THAT CHANGED IT. WE COULDN'T ENFORCE DOES THAT NOT AFFECT THIS MASON, UH, ANOTHER NUANCED ISSUE, IF, IF WE WEREN'T ESSENTIALLY TREATING THIS AS AN EXTENSION OF ADDISON CIRCLE, LET'S SAY IT WAS UP BY THE SERVICE CENTER AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT WAS BEING ZONED AS PART OF, THEN WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY NEW REGULATIONS RELATED TO THE MASONRY, BECAUSE THIS IS A, HAS GOT A GRANDFATHER COMPONENT ZONING INTO A AREA THAT HAS A, UM, EXISTING CHARACTER AND MASONRY AS A PART OF THAT. THAT'S HOW YOU GET AROUND IT VERSUS BEING BOTHERED TO CODE SHOGUN. AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT TOM WAS TALKING ABOUT SINCE I'VE BEEN IN, AND THIS IS NOT, THIS IS JUST A STATEMENT, UM, IN MY LIFE, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC. IT'S A VERY FAIR AND SHE NEVER HAPPENS. SO, UM, SO I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GO THERE WITH THAT HERE, BUT, BUT THAT AREA IS VERY CONGESTED AS IT IS WITH VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC ON IT. AND NOW WITH POTENTIALLY A LOT OF TRAFFIC, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND INTERESTING THAT THE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN, BUT WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE ONE OF THESE THINGS IN APRIL EARLY MAY WHERE THE ELECTION IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, FROM WHERE THESE APARTMENTS ARE GONNA BE IS. SO HOPEFULLY THESE APARTMENTS WILL, YOU KNOW, REPRESENT THE TOWN WELL FOR THOSE THAT ARE COMING OVER HERE TO VOTE, BUT NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT COMMENT JUST ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR COMMENT. TRAFFIC STUDIES, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S AN ART AND SCIENCE TO IT. UM, THIS AREA, UH, TO ITS BENEFIT IS, IS VERY HIGHLY CONNECTED. UH, IT'S GOT IT. I THINK THAT ISN'T SAVING GRACE. UM, IF IT WAS LESS CONNECTED AND DID NOT HAVE MULTIPLE NORTH UP NORTH SOUTH POINTS OF ACCESS TO THE BELTLINE, MULTIPLE EAST WEST POINTS OF ACCESS TO, UM, UH, THEY'LL START TOLLWAY. ABSOLUTELY. UM, BUT TRAFFIC, DEFINITELY A CONCERN WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. AND PARKING WILL BE THE OTHER COMPONENT BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE CONGESTION AND MIDWAY, I THINK I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU. SHOULD I STAY AWAY FROM MIDWAY ALL COSTS? SO I GO DOWN AND MARSH STARTED TO TURN ON SPRING VALLEY. NOW I GO ON VITRUVIAN. AND FROM THE TIME YOU TURN OFF IN MARSH AT THE TIME YOU GET TO SPRING VALLEY, WHENEVER PARKING IS ON THE STREET, IT'S FULL. YEAH, IT IS TOTALLY FULL. SO, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PARKING. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF STUFF, BUT PARKING IS A REAL ISSUE EVERYWHERE IN THIS TOWN. AND I THINK SO BEING, BEING A FORMER OCCUPANT OF, OF SIMILAR PROJECTS [00:50:01] AND THE TREE AND ADDISON CIRCLE AND, AND A PLACE LIKE THIS, THAT THE STREET PARKING FOR ME WAS ALWAYS FULL OUT OF CONVENIENCE, LESS THAN, UM, NEEDING. RIGHT. EXACTLY. I DIDN'T WANT, IF THAT PARKING WAS OPEN THAT SAVED ME FROM HAVING A WINERY THROUGH A PARKING STRUCTURE, THIS ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT MATURE MEDIAN AND ADDISON CIRCLE. AND THAT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE, THE FUTURE NATURE OF ADDISON ROAD AND AIRPORT PARKWAY IS LARGELY GOING TO STAY THE SAME. THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF CURB PARKING ON AIRPORT PARKWAY, BUT ADDISON ROAD WON'T HAVE HER PARKING. SO IT'S REALLY A FIGHT FOR SEVEN SPACES ON, UM, ON STREET AND, AND, UH, AIRPORT PARK. EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS TO GIVE THEM THAT STRUCTURE. SO I HAVE SOME BIGGER PICTURE KIND OF ISSUES ABOUT THIS. OKAY. SO I LIVE IN ADDISON CIRCLE FOR NINE YEARS. I WAS ON THE BOND COMMITTEE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROADS THERE. UM, I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE THAT DID THE LIBERAL, THAT WASN'T EXACTLY WHAT I WAS HOPING TO FIND REPORT SAID, BUT I WAS THERE DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND JUST FROM A BIGGER PICTURE, ADDISON PAIN'S APARTMENTS. OKAY. THEY, PEOPLE ALWAYS FIGHT WHEN THEY COME HERE AND THEY LOVE THE MONEY. THEY LOVE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HATE BUILDING. RIGHT. SO A JUST FOR ME, AND ALSO MY BACKGROUND IS COMMUNICATIONS, A BUNCH OF VARIANCES OR WHATEVER THESE ARE CALLED. THAT'S NOT GOING TO, I THINK THAT'S NOT GOING TO RUN VERY WELL, OR EVEN IF THEY'RE MINOR, BUT NUMBER TWO, I'M JUST SORT OF CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE EMILY IS GORGEOUS TOWARD THEM. I MEAN, THEY'RE REALLY NICE. THEY'RE, HIGH-END, THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE. I REALLY WANTED THAT TOP CORNER APARTMENT, BUT I COULDN'T GET FIVE ROOMMATES TO SHARE A TWO BEDROOM. UM, AND THEN I LIVED IN MADISON CIRCLE AND THERE WAS THAT ONE THAT THAT'S THE NUMBER 77 BANKRUPT CHANGED HANDS FIVE TIMES. YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALWAYS IN TROUBLE, ALLEGRO. BEAUTIFUL. AND THEN I HAD THAT MOLD PROBLEM AND THEY HAD TO REDO EVERYTHING AND I HAD TO MOVE PEOPLE. AND IT WAS A NIGHTMARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, AIRPORT PARKWAY, ALL THOSE CONDOS AND APARTMENTS OVER THERE. NEXT DOOR IS FULL OF POLICE REPORTS, PEOPLE GETTING CALLED OVER THERE. OKAY. SO WHEN I WAS IN, I WAS ALSO ON THE COMMITTEE WITH ABOUT THE DARK CENTER. SO ONE OF THE REASONS THEY TALKED ABOUT HAVING THAT RETAIL THERE IS THAT THEY WERE HOPING THAT WITH THE DART CENTER, THERE'D BE MORE TRAFFIC AT THE AIRPORT AND THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT THINGS IN THAT THEY WOULD NEED LIKE CVS DOWN THERE. THAT THERE'D BE MORE. UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE THREE BUILDINGS ARE SAYING APARTMENTS. YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT WANTING A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. AND THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON TO HAVE TO HAVE RETAIL. THERE IT'D BE D COACHELLA ISN'T THERE. I WOULD REALLY QUESTION WITH WHATEVER WILL BE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL THERE, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT. UM, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE VARIOUS THINGS, THAT MASONRY PERCENTAGE, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT ELECTRO, WHAT IS THEIR MAIN PERCENTAGE? CAUSE IT WAS THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW. AND, UM, THEN THE SIZE OF ALL THESE APARTMENTS ARE TINY. THEY'RE LIKE 650 SQUARE FOOT, ONE BEDROOM. I MEAN, I WAS IN A 7 51 BEDROOM AND IT WAS IT'S OUT OF THE MYSTERY HAS GONE. I MEAN, IT'S HOW THE INDUSTRY IS CALLING , WE'RE THE BIGGEST WHEELER. LET ME JUST SAY THAT SIX 50 IS SMALL. THERE'S A WAYWARD SPACE, WHICH TELLS ME THAT THEY'RE TARGETING YOUNGER PEOPLE. RIGHT. SO THAT TELLS ME THAT EVEN IF WE SAY THESE ONES ARE HIGH, I'M WONDERING WHAT SORT OF PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE ATTRACTING THERE. I'M WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WE WORK SPACE, HUH? WHEN WE, I MEAN, HERE, HERE AND HERE IN THE TREE HOUSE, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE HAD ISSUES. I DON'T KNOW, CURRENTLY ABOUT FILLING THE SPACE AND GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE. THEN IF THEY DO COME HERE, DO THEY STAY HERE? SO THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT I, I JUST FEEL LIKE I'M IN THE TRAFFIC. I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE EXITS ON TWO DIFFERENT STREETS FROM US SECURITY, FROM A POLICE AND FIRE PERSPECTIVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT. YOU DO. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. NOT HAVING A LEFT TURN IN A NICE DOWN HERE. IT SAYS ONLY RIGHT. TURN OUT. UM, I THINK IN DISHING ON THAT, ADDISON IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A MIDDLE LANE THAT YOU COULD DO A TURN LANE AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING CUTOUTS OR SOMETHING ANYWAY, AND THEY'RE IMPROVING THE AIRPORT PARKWAY, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WERE WIDENING AVERAGES. IT'S A RECONSTRUCTION. I DO WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, WE'VE GET THAT FIVE MINUTES, [00:55:01] BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I JUST HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT I'M NOT SURE HOW IT COMPARES TO THE OTHER PLACES AND ADDISON CIRCLE. CAUSE WE'VE GOT THE AMBULANCE, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT. WE'VE GOT THE OTHER ONES, WHICH AREN'T VERY GREAT. WE'VE GOT THE ELANTRA THAT HAS IT. WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE. YES. THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE A PRESENTATION. THOSE ARE ALL GREAT COMMENTS AND DEFINITELY CARRY THEM, CARRY THEM. YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A LOT, HUH? MAKE SURE YOU GET THOSE QUESTIONS OUT. I THINK YOU NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL TALKING ABOUT THE KINDS OF PEOPLE SOMETHING ATTRACT, BECAUSE BY THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. WE LIVE IN, YOU'LL BE CAREFUL. A LOT OF, UM, SO WHAT, UH, WHAT I'VE SHARE AND LIKE ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IN ADDISON, IT'S ALWAYS TILTING TOWARDS THE HIGHER END OF COSTS. THERE THERE'S NO ONE BANGING DOWN MY DOOR TO DEVELOP A PROJECT THAT WILL HAVE VERY HIGH RENT ON THE PURCHASE COSTS. IT DOESN'T, YOU CAN'T PAY FOR IT ABOUT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE. YEAH, NO, THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN AS A PLANNER FOR THE TOWN. UH, WE NEED TO PROVIDE HOUSING THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. SO DON'T TAKE THAT AS, AS THAT BEING MY CONCERN. BUT, UM, THE REALITY IS IT'S UH, WELL THEN LET ME CLARIFY WHAT I MEANT THAT I WAS SAYING. IT SOUNDED MORE LIKE HIGH TECH, THE HIGH TECH WORK AT HOME. THAT SORT OF PERSON WHERE, WHEN WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET MORE HOUSING FOR, UH, PEDRO RETIREMENT OKAY. WE'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE REAL QUICK? AND IS THERE ALSO ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SECOND OF THESE ITEMS, WHICH IS THE BLOCK D MADISON GROVE? IS THERE ANYTHING, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS PRETTY ROUTINE AGAIN. YEAH. YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE THEM. THEY'LL BE BACK HERE NEXT MONTH. THEY JUST HAVE A FEW MORE ITEMS TO WORK THROUGH WITH STAFF. ALRIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL TAKE THEM AT SIX O'CLOCK WORK SESSION. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.