Mar 08, 2022 Work Session and Regular Meeting

SESSIONS AS THE NUMBER ONE PRESENT,

SEPARATE SESSION.

[ EXECUTIVE SESSION Closed (Executive) Session of the Addison City Council pursuant to: Section 551.087, Texas Government Code, to discuss or deliberate regarding commercial or financial information that the City Council has received from a business prospect or business prospects that the City Council seeks to have locate, stay, or expand in or near the territory of the Town of Addison and with which the City Council is conducting economic development negotiations, and/or to deliberate the offer of a financial or other incentive to such business prospect or business prospects: Discuss master developer proposals for the Town’s Transit Oriented Development Project]

THAT'S OBSESSION.

AS THE CITY CONSOLE PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 0 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE REGARDING COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE CITY CONSOLE YOU SEE, FOLLOW A BUSINESS PROSPECT CALL BUSINESS PROSPECTS, AND THE CITY COUNCIL SIX THROUGH APP LOCATE STATE, OR EXPAND OR NEAR TERRITORIAL TITLE AND BAND WIDTH, WHICH THE CITY COUNCILOR IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, OR TO OFFER A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO SUCH A BUSINESS PROSPECT OR BUSINESS PROSPECTS.

THE FIRST ONE IS DISCUSSING THE PASSIVE DEVELOPER PROPOSALS FOR TRANSIT PROJECTS.

SO RIGHT NOW I'VE HAD TO USE MY IPHONE IS 6:33 PM.

EXECUTIVE SESSIONS

[ Reconvene in to Regular Session: In accordance with Texas Government Code, Chapter 551, the City Council will reconvene into Regular Session to consider action, if any, on matters discussed in Executive Session.]

[1. Present and Discuss the Format for the Town Meeting on April 14, 2022. ]

DISCUSS THE FORMAT FOR THE MEETING ON APRIL 14TH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MAYOR, AND COUNCIL, MARY ROSA BLEAK PUBLIC COMMUNICATION STRUCTURE.

UM, I HAVE PUT AT ALL OF YOUR SEATS, SOME IMPOSSIBLE SPRING, 2022, UM, TOWN MEETING TOPICS.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE GOOD THOUGHTS FOR YOU ON THAT, I WENT THROUGH THE NUMBER ONE BUDGET UPDATES, HIGHLIGHTS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TMD DEVELOPMENT UPDATE TO A TRANSIENT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S POSSIBILITY ALONG THE SILVER LINE, ALONG THE ENTIRE.

SO NOT JUST OUR STOP.

SO THE NOT, NOT THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PORTION.

IT'D BE FIXATING ON THE SILVER LINE IN DEVELOPMENT ALL ALONG.

ISN'T THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WELL, I THINK IT DID THE TRANSPORTATION UPDATE.

IT'S GOT THE SILVER LINE IN THERE.

WHAT DO I LOWER? YOU WANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? I'D LIKE TO FIND ONE PLACE, THE SPECIAL EVENTS.

OKAY, FAIR.

I'LL DO THIS COUNSELOR TREAT YOU AS I WOULD LIKE THE CITIZEN SURVEY WITH CITIZEN SURVEY RESULTS.

THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO DO IT AS CLUB RENOVATIONS.

YOU WANT TO DO IT? I DID IT LAST TIME HERE.

I MEAN, I COULD DO A REPEAT THIS DOCTOR TO BE MORE BECAUSE IT'S MORE OUTDATED NOW IT'S ON THE BIG CONSTRUCTION.

SO IF YOU ARE GOOD AT THAT, WHAT DON'T YOU DO THAT? UM, I'M ALREADY DONE IT.

OKAY, TOM, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO SOMEBODY GO TO SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO A TRANSPORTATION UPDATE.

I WOULD LIKE TO DO A PRESENTATION ENTITLED TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE SILVER LINE.

THIS IS LAURIE SET IT FIRST.

SO YOU WANT TO JUST NEGOTIATE A LITTLE BIT FOR YOURSELF? WELL, BOTH OF OUR, UH, BOTH OF OURS, KIND OF OUR SILVER LINE IS ON TRANSIT TRANSPORTATION UPDATE.

AND IT'S ALSO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, I ALWAYS DO AN ECONOMIC PROBLEM, BUT I CAN DO SOMETHING REALLY

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DIFFERENT.

I DON'T REALLY.

SO WHY DON'T YOU, I'M NOT GOING TO DIVE INTO, SO YOU'LL DO THIS.

YOU'LL DO SIMPLE LINE ALONG WITH THE TOD THEN LAURA, YOU'LL DO YOUR NORMAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH MARY.

IS THAT CLAIRE? YEAH.

SO LAURA IS GOING TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE TRANSPORTATION OF DATE, AND THEN MARLIN'S GOING, GONNA DO SILVER LINE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE SOUTHERN LINE.

AND YEAH, SO IT WOULD BE TRANSIT TRANSPORTATION THAT DATE MINUS MINUS THE SILVER LINE, WHICH WILL GO DOWN TO THE TOD UPDATE.

YEAH, JUST SWITCH OVER.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS STUDY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MARY.

ALRIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO ESCAPE ITEM NUMBER TWO.

AND YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST BEFORE I, YOU DO A, UH, MAY THE ONLY THING THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO MINUTES BEFORE OUR MEETING CAN OFFICIALLY BEGIN.

SO IF YOU WANT TO MEET, JUMP TO THE REGULAR MEETING, YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT.

I CAN TELL BAD JOKES.

YES MA'AM SO WE'LL JUST GO THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

I THINK WE CAN STILL DO IT TONIGHT.

I'LL JUST DO IT LATER.

LET'S JUST TAKE A BREAK.

I WANT TO DO IT LAST MINUTE.

SO WE EXITING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THE 7:15 PM.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON RECORD.

MANAGER WEST PEARSON TO SAY A FEW WORDS, SOME A LAST MAN.

SO NOT A 7 31.

WE CAN CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO INVITE CITY

[ Announcements and Acknowledgments Regarding Town and Council Events and Activities Discussion of Meetings / Events]

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT.

FIRST DONE AT US ABOUT ADDISON ROAD DARTS CONTRACTOR ARCHER, WESTERN HERZL IS IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING THE RAIL LINE AND CONCRETE, CONCRETE PAVEMENT APPROACHES TO THE RAILROAD CROSSING AT ADDISON ROAD.

FINISHING THE PROJECT, UH, ENTIRELY WILL REQUIRE A COMPLETE LANE CLOSURE OF ALL NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND LANES OF ADDISON ROAD BETWEEN ARAPAHOE AND LINDBERGH DRIVE FROM, UH, BEGINNING ON FRIDAY, MARCH 9TH, UH, EXCUSE ME, MARCH 18TH, UH, STARTING AT 9:00 PM.

AND THAT WILL CLOSE YOUR WILL LAST UNTIL NOON ON MONDAY, MARCH 21ST.

SO WE WILL ANNOUNCE THAT VIA OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS AND, UH, ALSO, UH, THE WEBSITE.

UM, BUT WE ALSO ENCOURAGE, UH, DRIVERS TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE DETOUR SIGNS THAT WILL DIRECT PEOPLE AROUND THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE.

ADDITIONALLY, AS A REMINDER, RENOVATIONS AT THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB OR PROGRESSING QUICKLY, UH, WHICH MEANS ADDITIONAL CLOSURES ARE HAPPENING AS OF MARCH 4TH.

THIS IS THIS LAST WEEK.

THE BASKETBALL GYM AND TRACK ARE CLOSED OR REPLACED.

THE TRACK RAILING, UH, THAT WORK WILL BE, WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY A MONTH TO COMPLETE.

SO THAT'S, UH, GOING TO BE A PROLONGED CLOSURE.

UH, PEOPLE CAN FIND MORE PROJECT DETAILS ABOUT THE RENOVATION OF THE, AT THE ATLANTA ATHLETIC CLUB, EXCUSE ME, UH, ON OUR WEBSITE AT WWW DOT ADDISON, TEXAS.NET FORWARD SLASH CLUB RENOVATIONS.

PEOPLE CAN ALSO REGISTER TO RECEIVE TEXT UPDATES BY TEXTING CLUB RENO, N O OR RENO TO 8 8, 8 DASH 7 7 7.

ALSO OUR ATHLETIC CLUB STAFF IS SHARING IN A RENOVATION PICTURES WEEKLY ON THE CLUBS.

FACEBOOK ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT AS WELL.

ALSO, ATHLETIC CLUB STAFF HAS DECIDED TO POSTPONE THE POP-UP AT THE PARK EVENT PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THIS SATURDAY, MARCH 12TH.

AND THEY'LL THE NEW DATE WILL BE APRIL THE SECOND.

AND THEY'RE CHANGING THAT VIEW TO A RINGY FORECAST FOR THIS WEEKEND HERE.

UH, ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN THIS EVENT CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, ABOUT IT AT, UH, IN ALL ATHLETIC CLUB EVENTS, INCLUDING THE UPCOMING SPRING, SPRING BREAK CAMPS AND TOUCH A TRUCK EVENT ON THE, UH, ATHLETIC CLUBS, FACEBOOK PAGES.

SO THOSE ARE MY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING TIME AND ATTENTION.

NEXT ONE IS PUBLIC COMMENT.

[ Public Comment The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to public hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.]

I KNOW THE STEPS.

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SO LET'S START WITH JAMIE LOSS.

JIM .

DID YOU EVER AUSTIN, 41 52 TOWN DREAM CIRCLE.

UH, I'M HERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MYSELF AND ALL MY NEIGHBORS WERE ALL IN FAVOR OF GETTING INTO THE BILL PATH TO GET THE DOWN, GET THE NEW UNITS BUILT AND TAKE DOWN AN OLD FENCE.

THE BRICK WALL.

IT LOOKS SO BAD THERE.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TRAFFIC OTHER THAN DUBAI.

THE THIRD ONE WE HAVE BOOMTOWN.

THANK YOU, STEVEN.

GREG'S GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M STEVE GRIGGS.

I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR VVI INC.

LOCATED AT 14 83, 3 MIDWAY ROAD, SUITE 200 ASS, TEXAS 75 0 0 1.

AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BVIS PROTEST LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN REGARDS TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CONCERNING THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGE IN ZONING FOR A 1.804 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 41 50 BELTWAY DRIVE TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF 33 TO 31 TOWNHOME, LOTS AND ASSOCIATED OPEN SPACE AND COMMON LINES.

BVI IS THE OWNER OF THE ADJACENT 8.1676 ACRE PROPERTY THAT RUNS ALONG THE ENTIRE EASTERN AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES OF THAT PROPERTY.

THE GUYS SUBMITTED A LETTER OF CONCERNS TO THE CITY SECRETARY.

WE REQUESTED LET IT BE ENTERED IN A PUBLIC RECORD CONCERNING PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES.

VI HAS SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, A LETTER, ALL OF WHICH WILL I NOT WILL NOT RESTATE HERE, BUT WE'LL REFER TO THE LETTER OF TWO MAIN CONCERNS.

AND THE FIRST CONCERN IS VVI IS 24 FOOT PUBLIC ACCESS UTILITIES THAT CURRENTLY RUNS ALONG THE WESTERN SOUTHERN EASTERN BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE EASEMENT WOULD BE MOVED TO BE LOCATED SOLELY ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.

THIS WOULD ALTER AND REDUCE VVI HIS CURRENT EASEMENT.

ALTHOUGH THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT DOES CONTEMPLATE AN ALTERNATIVE EASEMENT LOCATION UPON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

VI'S POSITION IS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT IS REQUIRED SINCE IT IS THE HOLDER OF THE DOMINANT EASEMENT OF STATE.

THE GUY REQUESTED MUTUAL AGREEMENT TO ALTER ANY EASEMENT, BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT THE PROPERTY.

SECOND, THE PROPERTY AND BVIS PROPERTY ARE INCLUDED IN THE PENDING SAM'S CLUB AREAS.

STUDY BVI IS CONCERNED WITH REZONING THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO CONTENT COMPLETION OF THE SAM'S CLUB AREA STUDY.

SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY COULD POSSIBLY IMPACT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF BVI PROPERTY.

WHEN I DISCUSSED THE SAM'S CLUB AREA STUDY IS THE GOAL TO HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION ZONE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS IN THE SAME SCHOOL AREA.

SO THIS PROPOSAL APPEARS TO ONLY REQUIRE 57 FEET OF OPEN SPACE AND THE 75 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS BE YOU GUYS' CONCERN HERE IS WHETHER MODIFICATIONS ALLOW FOR THIS PROJECT WILL BE IN PLACE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES.

AND WHETHER THE PROPOSED REZONING WILL RESULT IN A COHESIVE PATTERN OF REDEVELOPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, OTHER ISSUES AND CONCERNS IN BVI INCLUDE THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC PARKING ON THE AREA WITH CONSIDERING THE INCREASED DENSITY, THEY WILL RESULT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA AND THE REQUIREMENT OF ANY POTENTIAL BARRIERS OR FENCES THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE TWO PRODUCTS, THE REMAINING ISSUES AND CONCERNS.

I WILL LEAVE TO THE LETTER AND I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AND CONCERNS OF VBI IN CONSIDERING THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

TONIGHT IS SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2021.

THANK YOU, STEVEN.

UH, NEXT ONE IS .

MY NAME IS JERRY AND I ARE GOING TO BE AT 37 57 CHAP COURT.

UH, JUST WANTED TO SHARE A COMMENT.

I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.

UH, I'M GOING TO THE APP AVID FIX IT APP USERS, AND WHEN TO LET THE TOWN COUNCIL NO CAN THOUGH THAT A WONDERFUL CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN, AND IT'S BEEN OUTSTANDING TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

NOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT

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DONE.

I DO HAVE ONE CONCERN I WANTED TO SHARE BECAUSE THE GUARD WOULDN'T BE ADDRESSING THE PARKING ORDINANCE.

UM, WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM.

I SUBMIT FIX IT APPS.

THEY IMMEDIATELY KIND OF GET SENT BACK IF THEY'RE CLOSED OUT, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT SEEM TO CONFLICT WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT LANGUAGE AND NEW ORDINANCES.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRACKING BOTH OF THOSE CAUSE THERE'S BLOOD THAT APPARENTLY IS IN PLACE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS SQUARE PUMPER DATES AND CRUNCH FITNESSES LOCATED WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.

SOMEONE CAN PARK THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE OVER 48 HOURS.

AND WE HAVE HAD AN AMBULANCE HAS BEEN PARKING OVER THERE ALMOST DAILY.

AND IT SEEMS TO BE GETTING DISPATCHED FROM THE PARKING LOT, WHICH CONCERNS ME THAT THAT'S REVENUE.

THAT'S NOT COMING INTO TOWN.

THERE'S NO TAX REVENUE BECAUSE THE PERSON'S COMING IN AND USING THAT AS THEIR DISPATCH LOCATION.

WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF SEMI-TRUCKS THAT ARE USING THE APP ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THERE'S OVERNIGHT, OVERNIGHT PARKING.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OFTENTIMES GO OUT, THE VEHICLES ARE GONE.

SO YOU SUBMIT THE, FIX IT UP.

AND THE THIRD PROBLEM, WHICH IS NOT REALLY A PARKING ISSUE, BUT IT IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THAT LOT.

ALL THE TIME.

THERE IS AN ANONYMOUS RECYCLING DONATION BOX THAT APPEARS MAGICALLY FRIDAY, SOME MAGICAL HOUR, AND IT'S GETTING PICKED UP SOME TIME SUNDAY EVER.

IT WAS STILL THERE ON MONDAY MORNING.

I SUBMITTED FIX IT AT THAT TIME.

THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOT OUT MAGICALLY DISAPPEARED AGAIN.

SO A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO GET AROUND, UH, THE ORDINANCE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND WE MAY NEED TO TIGHTEN UP THE LANGUAGE, UH, TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

OTHER THAN THAT, I'M JUST ECSTATIC ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND GREAT COMMUNICATION.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, LAURA FEST, LAURA, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING UM, THIS ONE IS EARLIER LONG.

BROWN VEST IS OF ITEM SEVEN, MAYBE MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND PARKS.

MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL PERSONS BURKE BURKE CONJURE.

I LIVE AT 38, 24 WATERFORD DRIVE, WHICH IS THAT THE OTHER SECTION ON LAY LOCKS AND WHITEBOARD.

HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW WE HAVE A FLOOD PROBLEM OUT THERE? I DON'T SEE ANY ADS GOING OUT.

WELL, LAST SEPTEMBER, I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM A PERSON BY THE NAME OF WILSON, COOK KEMPO, CAPSTONE DEVELOPMENT, PROJECT MANAGER, TOWN OF ADDISON.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I DIDN'T KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, I WENT TO THE MEETING AT THE HEALTH CLUB AND THE FIRST THING THAT THIS PERSON SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS THIS PERSON OR ANOTHER PERSON, BUT SOMEBODY SAID THEY WERE HERE.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE FLOOD PROBLEM WE HAVE IN WATERFORD PARK.

I RAISED MY HAND.

I SAID, SIR, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I'VE LIVED HERE 28 YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A FLOOD PROBLEM IN WATERFORD PARK.

WHAT'S THE DEAL.

AND HE PROCEEDED TO TELL US THAT THEY HAD HIRED.

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BELIEVE THAT HE'S SETTLED ENGINEER FOR THE AMOUNT OF $160,000 TO INVESTIGATE THIS FLOODING PROBLEM WE HAVE IN WATERFORD PARK.

AND I SAID, I'M TELLING HER 28 YEARS, WE DON'T HAVE A BLOOD FLOOD PROBLEM.

WHERE DID ALL THIS COME FROM? I'LL BET YOU ON MY STREET, WHICH IS WATERFORD DRIVE.

I'LL BET YOU, THERE ARE NOT TWO PEOPLE THAT IT'D BE HEARD ABOUT THIS FLOODING PROBLEM.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT THIS LETTER AND THERE'S FLOOD PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE? I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT I HIGHLY HIGHLY OBJECT THE SHIP.

YOU'RE SPENDING $3.3 MILLION HOLD A FLOODING PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE FLOODING IN WATERFORD PARK? I HAVEN'T HEARD WEST.

DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT? YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? SO THERE IS A, THERE WAS A STUDY CONDUCTED AND IT PROVIDED A FINDING AND WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT FINDING.

BUT, UM, I MEAN, WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS AN ACTUAL STUDY AND IS AN ACTUAL PROJECT THAT THE TOWN WAS PURSUING, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS ON THE AGENDA.

I SIGNED MY, MY, UH, NOTE THERE TO SAY IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

I'M JUST SAYING THIS HAS BOTHERED ME SINCE SEPTEMBER.

I HATE TO SPEND MONEY THAT IS NOT REQUIRED.

I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED A FLOODING PROBLEM THERE ON ALL WATER FOR DRY.

WHY ARE WE SPENDING $3.3 MILLION? I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT.

NUMBER TWO, I WAS AT THE HOSPITAL LAST YEAR AND I MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM FINISHING THIS EPISODE THAT I'M SIGNED UP FOR, BUT I HAD A PART OF MY RIGHT LUNG REMOVED.

AND WHEN I CAME HOME AFTER THREE OR FOUR DAYS, I DECIDED I WOULD GO OVER TO THE, UH, AS HE CALLED LAY LOCKS, LEGS THERE ACROSS, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT MARLIN, WHAT IS THAT LAY LOCKS? ANYWAY, I DECIDED I'D GO THERE AND SIT ON THAT BENCH AT THE SOUTH END OF THE LAKE.

AND I WAS THINKING GOD, FOR JUST BEING ABLE TO BE OUT THERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT SOME TRUCK PULLED UP, I DIDN'T PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO IT, BUT I SEE THE, I SEE THE GENTLEMEN GET OUT AND I SEE HIM WALK SOMEPLACE DOWN THE LAKE.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ODOR JUST OVERWHELMED ME.

THE OVERWHELMING PART WAS THE EXHAUST FOR THIS TRUCK RUNNING.

SO I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL HE CAME BACK AND HE CAME DOWN BY THE TRUCK AND I WALKED DOWN THERE AND I SAID, SIR, WHY DID YOU LEAVE YOUR TRUCK RUNNING FOR 15 MINUTES WHILE YOU WALKED AROUND THE LEG? OH, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.

EVERYBODY LEAVES OUR TRUCK RUNNING ALL THE TIME.

AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT COST THE TAXPAYERS MONEY FOR YOU TO LEAVE THAT TRUCK RUNNING.

AND BESIDES THAT I SAID, I JUST GOT OUT OF THE HOSPITAL AND I CAN NOT STAND THE EXHAUST FROM THAT TRUCK.

I SAID, EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE OR ARE YOU GOING TO CUT THAT TRUCK OFF? I SAID, I CAN'T STAY IT.

SHOULDN'T BOTHERING MY LUNGS.

AND THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE OF TRANSPORTATION ON THESE TRUCKS, BUT YOU NEED TO TELL THESE GUYS THEY'RE NOT DIESEL TRUCKS, THEY'RE GASOLINE TRUCKS.

AND BESIDES THAT THEY'RE CREW CAB TRUCKS, AND THERE'S ONE PERSON AT THEM.

I WAS GOING BY BELTWAY AND LATE LOCKED ONE DAY, THERE WERE SIX TRUCKS THERE, PLANNING DAISIES OR SOMETHING.

AND THERE WERE SEVEN PEOPLE HERE THAT MEANS THAT ALMOST EVERYBODY THERE DROVE A TRUCK.

DO WE PROVIDE THE TRUCK FOR EVERY PERSON THAT WORKS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT? OKAY.

DAVE ARE RIDING THE SAME TRUCK TOGETHER.

I JUST IRRITATING OUT OF ME.

I MEAN, I LIKE TO SAVE MONEY AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO SPIN EVERYTHING WE CAN SPEND ON YOU.

AND I THANK

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YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M SORRY.

UH, RILED ANYBODY UP AND CAUSED THE DEFENDERS TO RUFFLE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY I'M FEELING.

I'M SO OLD THAT I JUST HAD TO GET THIS OFF MY CHEST.

BUT PARTICULARLY THE TRUCKS THAT JUST, HOW MANY TRUCKS DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY TRUCKS WE HAVE OR HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE PER TRUCK.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT, OH, WE'LL FIND OUT.

WE'LL FIND OUT.

YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T USE IT.

TURN OFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHY.

I JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TWO OR THREE PEOPLE CAME RIDING ONE TRUCK.

UM, 1, 4 8, 6, 7, 8 CIRCLE.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR LISTENING.

I'M SORRY TO GET, IF YOU'RE JUST A TEENAGER, YOU'RE JUST A TEENAGER BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID LIFE BEGINS AT A 70.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHAFFEE.

THAT'S A TOUGH ACT OF ALL.

I'M A, I'M OUT CHOPPY.

I'M A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN LAKE.

UM, I AM IN THE UNIQUE POSITION.

I BELIEVE I'M THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE SUPPRESSION OF THE CITY THAT IS CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE SAM'S CLUB, REBUILT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND ALSO SERVED ON THE TRAILS COMMITTEE.

I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, UH, INSIDE OF NUMBER SEVEN ON THE ULTRA BREAK, A MOTEL PROPERTY.

IT IS MY OPINION THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE DIRECTION AND THE DESIRES OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR A SAM'S CLUB.

REDEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO EXPRESS AND IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE RECOMMENDED FOR THE TRAILS COMMITTEE.

AND, UM, WE, AS I, AS I TOLD HER RECENT MEETING WITH HER RACHEL WAY, WE COULD DO A LOT WORSE.

THIS IS NOT A PERFECT PROJECT.

THERE IS NO PERFECT PRODUCT, BUT IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD PROJECT.

AND I THINK IT FITS IN WITH THE SPIRIT AND THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT'S THE, WHY IS CATHERINE ARONSON? CATHERINE, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW? THAT'S TOO HARD TO FOLLOW.

HI, MY NAME'S KATHERINE ERICKSON AND I'M A RESIDENT AT 1 4 8, 7, 6 TOWN LAKE CIRCLE.

I ATTENDED THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THE COBALT PRESENTATION, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS.

THEY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOUSES AND ADDED MORE PARKING SPACES, WHICH WE REALLY APPRECIATED.

I ALSO WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ARE THE DEVELOPERS, AS WELL AS THE BUILDERS.

IT'S NOT AS IF THERE'S A SEPARATE COMPANY COMING IN.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTROL OF THE PROJECT FROM BEGINNING TO END, WHICH MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR ADDISON AND THE PEOPLE IN PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE INTERFACE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THAT IS ALSO A BIG BUS.

UM, COBALT HAS BESIDES COOPERATING WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

UM, THEY HAVE ALSO BUILT, UH, EXCELLENT HOMES AT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

THEIR WORK IS OUTSTANDING OF SEVERAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I GUESS.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE CORRECT TITLE.

SEVERAL OF THEM WENT AND VISITED OTHER COLA PROJECTS AND SPOKE AT THAT MEETING SAYING HOW IMPRESSED THEY WERE WITH THE HIGH QUALITY.

THE FINAL TWO BENEFITS ARE THAT 31 HEIGHT AND TOWNHOMES WILL IMPROVE THIS PART OF BELTWAY.

AND THIS PART OF ADDISON, IT WILL ALSO ATTRACT MUCH HIGHER DEVELOPMENT, HOPEFULLY IN TERMS OF RESTAURANTS AND OTHER RETAIL, SUPPORTING THOSE RESIDENTS.

AND FINALLY, YOU'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE TAX SPACE.

YOU HAVE TO THINK THAT THE, UH, ADDISON TAX SPACE WILL OF COURSE RISE WITH A MILLION AND A HALF HOME TOWNHOMES, A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR TOWNHOMES BEING ADDED TO THE TAX ROLLS.

SO IF I COULD, WITH MY REMAINING TIME, I KNOW I HAD SEVERAL NEIGHBORS HERE AT ANYONE FROM TOWN LAKE WHO APPROVES AND UPHOLDS AND WANTS THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO BEEN SEVERAL EMAILS SENT IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU, CATHERINE.

SO THESE ARE THE PEOPLES WHO SPOKE.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK?

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ALRIGHT, LET'S CONTINUE ON ME.

[ Consent Agenda All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]

SO I HAVE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER THREE, AND THE FOURTH, ANYTHING WHICH WOULD BE FULL APPROVAL OF ITEMS THREE AND FOUR SECOND MOTION FOR LORI WARD.

ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS TWO IDEA POST.

[5. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on the Recently Updated Residential Commercial Vehicle Parking Ordinance.]

OUR AGENDA IS TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

I DID NUMBER FIVE PRESENT, DISCUSS CONSIDERATION ON RECENTLY UPDATED ANDREW HAMARTIA VEHICLE CHIEF.

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL PAULSON.

INTERESTING, PLEASE.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

I'LL GET THIS PULLED UP.

I THANK YOU AGAIN AGAIN.

PAUL SMITH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS, ON THIS TOPIC.

UH, AGAIN, WE HAD A WORK SESSION BACK IN DECEMBER 14TH, 2021, WHERE WE DISCUSSED ALL THE PARTICULARS OF THE INS AND OUTS OF ALL THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ISSUES THAT ARE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND THEN SOME GAPS IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.

THESE ARE FREQUENT COMMERCIALS ARE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING COMPLAINTS ARE FREQUENT IN OUR, PICKS IT UP TO MISSIONS AND ALSO EMAILS AND OTHER CORRESPONDENCE AFTER WORK SESSION, DECEMBER, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES AND REVISIONS THE SECTION 70 DASH 1 75 ON JANUARY 11TH, 2022, AND THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SUPPORTS AND THEN IMMEDIATELY BEGAN AFTER THE SIGNING AND PUBLISHING OF THOSE WISHES.

SINCE THEN, UH, COUNSELING STAFF HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS, CONCERNS, OR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES, UH, REGARDING THE REVISED ORDINANCE AND THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, SUBSEQUENT ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THE REASONABLE REVISE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL PARKING ORDINANCE WITH COUNCIL.

WE CAN DISCUSS THE VARIOUS DEFINITIONS AGAIN, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF ADDISON, THEN DISCUSS THE DIFFICULTIES THE POLICE BARBARY ENCOUNTERED DURING ENFORCEMENT.

AGAIN, USE THE WEIGHT CAPACITIES, IDENTIFYING PRIVATE PASSENGER VEHICLES AND THE COMPLEX ZONING MAPS OF THE TOWN HAS ON FILE.

WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND FEEDBACK ON THE ISSUES THAT WE DISCUSSED AGAIN, QUICKLY, THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED BACK IN JANUARY, AGAIN, SECTION 78, 1 75, BILL BRIDE, PARKING OF CERTAIN VEHICLES, THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH WE'RE HABITED, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE LORD IT'S UP HERE, BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE DID.

AND WE CLEANED UP, UH, THE ZONING LANGUAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADD OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE THIS AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS OF THE TOWN.

IT ALSO RAISED THE CAPACITY FROM THREE QUARTER TIME PROHIBITED TO ONE TIME REBUTTED.

SO THOSE AN IMPORTANT CONCEPTS, AS A REMINDER, THIS DOES NOT COUNT VERY MOST TIMES DURING THE DAY, AND IT'S ONLY PROHIBITED FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING.

AND SO THE 12:00 AM TO SIX, 6:00 AM IS WHEN IT'S SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED.

AGAIN, THE INTENT THERE IS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM USING IT SORTS FACILITIES, THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS SORT OF STORAGE FACILITIES FOR THE LARGE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT WE ADDED, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE REVISED LANGUAGE, THERE'S ALSO THE ADJACENCY LANGUAGE, AND THAT WAS INTENDED TO GIVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SOME, UH, SOME ASSISTANCE IF WE HAD A PROBLEMATIC, UH, VEHICLE THAT WAS PLAYING CAT AND MOUSE WITH US, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

AND SO THEY WERE MOVING IT AROUND THAT KIND OF THING TO GET INTO CAPTURE THAT THAT VIOLATION INTIMIDATE TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION, AND WE'LL GET INTO THE ISSUES WITH THE ADJACENCY LANGUAGE IN JUST A MINUTE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.

I'D LIKE TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT DETAIL ABOUT THAT.

UH, WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE TYPES OF VEHICLES WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS VIOLATIONS, AGAIN, BEING OVER ONE TON CAPACITY, UM, THE PROBABLY OWNED WORK BAGELS TAKE ON WORK VEHICLES, RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR MULTI-FAMILY AREAS.

WE'VE FOUND THAT THERE'S ALMOST A INFINITE NUMBER OF COMBINATIONS BETWEEN THE MANUFACTURER'S CAPACITIES AND THE WEIGHT RATINGS AND THE GROSS BIG WHITE RATINGS.

UH, AND SO WE WERE CAPTURING A LOT OF THESE PRIVATELY OWNED OR PROBABLY USE WORK VEHICLES AS VIOLATIONS AS A RESULT OF THAT.

WE HAD TO USE THAT, THAT METRIC AND I CAN GET OFF INTO THE WEEDS IF YOU LIKE.

BUT WHEN AN OFFICER RUNS A LICENSE PLATE OF A BIG, THEY THINK IS A VIOLATION, THE STATE HAS INFORMATION ON THAT RETURN.

WE CALL IT THE REGISTRATION OF THE VEHICLE AS THE OWNER'S INFORMATION, THE YEAR MAKE MODEL THE VIN NUMBER.

AND IT ALSO HAS THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT.

AND THEN I COMBINED FOR A RE A CAPACITY AND OFFICER DOES A QUICK, UH, QUICK MATH ON THEIR IPHONE, OR RATHER IF

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THEY'RE GOOD ENOUGH.

AND IF IT'S OVER 2000 POUNDS, IT'S A VIOLATION.

AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE METRIC WE USE TO DETERMINE THAT, UH, WE HAVE FOUND THAT THERE ARE VERY LARGE VEHICLES THAT DON'T HAVE OVER 2000 POUND CAPACITY AND IT CONVERTS.

SO WE'VE HAD VARIOUS LIGHTER LIGHT VEHICLES, THE ONE FIFTIES, UH, TWO OF OUR OWN WITHIN OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT'S FLEET THAT ACTUALLY HAD OVER A 2000 POUND CAPACITY RATING AS REGISTERED EMAIL, THEIR RIGHT F-150.

SO WE FOUND A VERY COMPLEX COMBINATION OF WAYS, WHICH CALL US, I THINK A LOT OF, UH, MAYBE UNINTENDED VEHICLES TO BE CAPTURED THIS AS AGAIN, THE ADJACENCY LANGUAGE THAT WE ADDED, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SEE IT'S ALREADY NOT WORKED ON.

IT WAS GOOD LANGUAGE.

HOWEVER, IT IS CAPTURING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT BORDER OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AT ADDISON ROAD AND KELLER SPRINGS.

AND THEN JUST TO THE EAST OF THAT COMPLEX, THAT CORN AND GULF SPRINGS IS A STRIP CENTER.

IT'S BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS.

UM, THAT TECHNICALLY IS AGAIN, HISTORICALLY AT JAMESON AND IT WAS, IT WAS, IT COULD BE IN VIOLATION AND THERE'S OTHER, OTHER PROPERTIES ACROSS TOWN THAT HAD THE SAME ISSUE.

THE TOWN'S ZONING MAPS THAT WE HAVE FOUND.

AGAIN, THIS IS NO ONE'S FAULT, UH, WORKING WITH, WITH KEN SCHMIDT AND OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOLKS, THEY, WE TRIED TO, WE TRIED TO USE THEIR GIS LAYER MAPPING OUR SQUAD CARS TO DO QUICKLY IDENTIFY TERRORISTS OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WERE IN THE PLANNING ELEMENTS.

UM, IT IS EXTREMELY COMPLEX AND I WANT TO PUT KEN ON THE SPOT, BUT CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD AT LENGTH, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO EVEN, EVEN, UH, DECIPHER SOMEBODY'S BOOK.

THERE IT IS.

AND SO IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR OUR PATROL OFFICER TO DO THAT.

WE HAVE SOME WAYS TO FIX THAT, BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR PROBLEMS WE WANT TO GET TO.

AND SO THAT, THAT COMPLEX, THAT COMPLEXITY DIFFICULTY IN INTERPRETING THAT MAP LED TO SOME, SOME MISTAKE IN ENFORCEMENT.

AND FINALLY, WE'VE HAD OVER 60 RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS EXPRESS THE FRUSTRATION THAT OUR CHANNEL IS WE HAVE THE WORK VEHICLES YOU USE OR ON MY RESIDENTS, AGAIN, IT'S THE ONES THAT CALLED INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE ONES THAT EMAILED NOTHING DOWN COUNCIL OR CITY ARIZONA.

SO THE KEY POLICY QUESTIONS FOR TONIGHT THAT SATISFACTION FOR DIRECTION IS WHETHER THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF OUR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.

AGAIN, THAT'S THE 2000 POUND COURTLAND CAPACITY GIVEN THAT IT IMPACTS RESIDENTS WHO USE OUR OWN WORK VEHICLES AS THEIR PRIMARY SOURCE OF TRANSPORTATION.

THAT'S THE MAIN COMPLAINT THAT WE RECEIVE FROM ALL THE RESIDENTS AND WHETHER IT COUNCIL'S GOING TO GO WITH THE ADJACENCY LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN IN, NORMALLY DEALT WITH THAT.

SOME OF THOSE ADDISON'S VERY DENSE, URBAN MULTI-USE ENVIRONMENT, FLATTENED VOTER TERM.

I GUESS WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT BORDER RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

HMM.

SO PAUL, YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THIS? SURPRISINGLY, I DO HAVE A FEW THINGS.

I SAID, THIS KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT JAMIE WITH RESPECT TO SPEED PLAY.

THIS IS NOT JUST RANT.

I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS THOUGHTFUL.

Y'ALL UM, I, I TURNED IN A, UM, SO MUCH FOR THAT.

THEY'RE ALIGNED THE COURTYARD IN THE MARIANO PROTON RIGHT NEXT TO A COURTYARD, WHICH IS WHY NEXT YEAR, RIGHT.

A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

AND, UM, THE ATTRITION COMES BACK TO A HOUSE ON BERKELEY, JUST NOT FAR AWAY.

THIS WAS THE SAME BEER, THE SAME SEMI TRUCK THAT WAS PARKING IN THE SUPER EIGHT MAP.

IT'S A GAME.

THIS IS A GAME OF CANTON X.

THIS IS NOT SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW BETTER.

THEY ABSOLUTELY KNOW BETTER.

SO WE NEED TO, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ADJACENCY LANGUAGE HERE.

UM, AND IF IT TAKES, IF IT TAKES THE WORDING TO EXEMPT CERTAIN PLACES LIKE THE STRIP CENTER, JUST TO THE EAST OF THE APARTMENTS AT KELLER SPRINGS AND, UM, ADDISON ROAD, THEN PERHAPS WE NEED TO DO THAT.

WE JUST NEED TO SAY W W WE NEED TO DIRECT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO AND WRITE TICKETS TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN COMMERCIAL AREAS.

THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT AND, AND REMARK CLEAR ON THAT, THAT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT

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AND THAT INCLUDES APARTMENTS.

WE INVESTED $50 MILLION IN THE PATREON AREA IN INFRASTRUCTURE, 50 MILLION TO INVITE PEOPLE JUST LIKE ME TO GO DOWN THERE, BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF MY MORNING WALK ROUTINE.

WE PUT NICE WIDE SIDEWALKS IN THERE.

WE PUT ALL THE GUARD DOWN THERE.

WE PUT ENHANCED LANDSCAPING DOWN THERE.

WE HAVE UPSCALE APARTMENTS DOWN THERE.

WE'VE GOT APARTMENTS THAT WILL BE TRANSITIONED FROM OLD, A 1970S GARDEN STYLE TO UPSCALE APARTMENTS.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A GOAL.

IT'S A NICE AREA.

THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO BECOMING MORE NICE AREA AND LESS.

WE DON'T LET MESS.

WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS HERE.

Y'ALL AND PART OF TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT AREA TURNED INTO A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE STORAGE AREA, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I IT'S BEEN MY OBSERVATION.

AND I SENT YOU ALL, SOME PICTURES JUST TO, YOU KNOW, THIS LAST WEEKEND ON WHAT I SAW THAT LAST FRIDAY, THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY BACK THERE, BACK THERE.

AND SO, UM, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LET THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANY, UH, APARTMENT NEIGHBORHOOD DEGRADE BY, UH, PEOPLE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF GAMING US BECAUSE THEY ARE GAMING THIS YEAR WITH THIS PARKING.

UM, SO WE NEED THAT WHEN WE, WE NEED TO BE MORE PRECISE WITH THE LANGUAGE HERE, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, UH, THE, THE WEIGHT, UH, AND, OR, UM, PERSONAL USE OF VEHICLES.

I THOUGHT WE HAD LANGUAGE IN THERE ALREADY THAT IT WAS A DEFENSE TO PROSECUTION.

IF, IF THAT WAS YOUR VEHICLE, PERHAPS THERE'S SOME SORT OF A STICKER OR OTHER IDENTIFICATION THAT COULD BE PROVIDED, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT WAS CLEARED WITH THE POLICE OR WHATEVER.

UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS JUST, IT'S VERY SAD.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

PAT'S WHAT JB JUST GOT THROUGH TALKING ABOUT WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, THE AMBULANCE THERE.

AND THERE'S A RED SEMI TRUCK THAT PARKS IN FRONT OF A CRUNCH FITNESS TOO.

AND I'VE SEEN IT THERE AND HE'S GOT THE CURTAINS PULLED UP AND I SUSPECT HE'S ASLEEP IN THERE.

AND I CALLED THE POLICE AND POLICE, YOU KNOW, THEY BANG ON THAT.

NOTHING HAPPENS.

AND, UM, BUT, BUT IT'S THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THE SAME THING'S HAPPENING IN EDISON GROVE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THESE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES PARKED THERE FOR WEEKS AND, YOU KNOW, TURN IT, TURN IT AND FIX IT, APP REQUESTS AND SUCH AS THAT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS INTENTIONAL.

IT'S NOT ACCIDENTAL.

IT'S NOT INADVERTENT AT ALL.

AND WE NEED TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I KEEP GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DON'T FIX IT, GRAFFITI, AND THEN ON THE VACANT BUILDING.

AND THEN, AND THEN SOMEBODY BREAKS A WINDOW BACK.

AND THEN, AND THEN, BECAUSE NOBODY CARED TO TAKE THE GRAFFITI OFF AND THEN SOMEBODY BREAKS IN AND THEY'RE SQUATTING IN THERE.

AND THEN THE SQUATTER TREAT COLD AND THEY START A FIRE AND IT BURNS THE BUILDING DOWN.

AND NOW WE HAVE A BURNED OUT OLD BUILDING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FIX IT FOR FEE.

SO LET'S JUST FIX A GRAFFITI.

LET'S SAY YOU'RE A BUSINESS.

THAT'S PEOPLE THAT'S, I WANT IT.

I WANT IT TIDY, NICE PLACE TO LIVE.

THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK.

AND IF THE, THE APARTMENTS WON'T MANAGE YOUR OWN BUSINESS, THEN WE NEED THAT.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR AS TO WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE OF WHAT THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO BE AN ADDISON.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE.

SO LET'S GET THIS RIGHT, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS NOT IN THE COMMERCIAL PARKING AREAS.

THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM.

DON'T GO THERE AND WRITE TICKETS, FROU, PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, PROTECT IT.

THE, AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX, A STUDENT.

AND IT ALSO OCCURS TO ME THAT THIS CANNOT BE A UNIQUE PROBLEM DANCING.

SO THERE'S GOTTA BE OTHER PLACES.

AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD RESOURCES HERE, A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO OTHER CITIES MANAGE THIS? WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL HERE.

WE JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO FIND SOME REASONABLE ENFORCEABLE, CONSISTENT YEAH.

ORDINANCE SEEKER THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF WHERE WE DID.

AND WE PROUD OF WHERE WE WALKED IN THE RIGHT OF WHERE IT IS.

AND THIS IS PART OF THE, YEAH, I TOTALLY SHARED YOUR CONCERNS.

AND I ECHO YOUR CONCERN AND WHY HER DAUGHTER J ERIC'S, UH, TAUGHT THEM ON THIS, YOU KNOW, AND HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'LL ASK TO KILL THE

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LAW IS MORE THAN WHAT IT WOULD NEED BECAUSE WE WALK APPROACH.

BUT MORE THAN A DOZEN PUPPY OWNERS, THE PART OF THE COMPANY CAR, YOU FUNDED THE BUSINESSES.

THAT'S THE REASON TRIGGER THIS MEETING AGAIN.

SO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND THEN WHEN WE DEALT WITH ALL ON THAT REALLY PUT A CITATION ON THE COMPANY CAR.

AND AT THAT THEY PARKED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS.

HOWEVER, THE BUSINESS IS ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO HOCKEY AWAY, WHAT DID IT CORRECTLY? SO I'LL, PLEASE CAN SIDED VITA PEOPLE IS ONE PEOPLE FROM BUSINESSES.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, WHAT YOU HAVE OTHER BETTER WORDING THAT ADJACENT.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE, WHAT WE'RE BEING TASKED WITH IS THAT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE NOT TRANSLATED, UH, TO, UM, ALL OF CHIEF SPENCER'S PATROL OFFICERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN ENFORCING WHAT WE DISCUSSED.

SO NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND OUR INTENT, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T GET THE CONVERSATION, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE IGNORANT.

I GIVE YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME BAD APPLES CLEARLY THAT ARE PLAYING CAT AND MOUSE.

BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS WE JUST HAD A FEW LITTLE, UM, WE JUST HAD A MISHAP WITH THE RE THE WRITING.

AND SO WAS, AS FAR AS THE ADJACENCY LANGUAGE GOES, CAN YOU NOT ADD A SENTENCE OF SOME KIND THAT SAYS ADJACENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO GO ON FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE PARKED THEIR TRUCKS THERE FOR 20 YEARS.

I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN ENCOMPASS ALL OF THAT, BUT MAYBE IN LOOKING TO THE SLIPUPS THAT WE HAD, AND JUST ADDING SOME KIND OF GENERALIZED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DOT, DOT, DOT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION COUNSELING? UH, MORE WE, UH, WE CAN, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK YOU GET THE LANGUAGE, UH, TO REPLACE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL.

UM, THE ADJACENT DINNER, OR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US, WE HAD WAS, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST OR THE ATTEMPT THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD PROVIDE THE INTENT WITH THE COUNCIL, TO ME, YOU KNOW, TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR ANYTHING SURROUNDING THAT, WHERE VIOLATIONS WERE SPILLING OVER INTO, UH, UM, UH, CLEARLY AN UNFORTUNATE WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT LANGUAGE WE WILL, AND WE CAN, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE AS STAFF AND MYSELF, I UNDERSTAND CLEARLY WHAT THE LIMITS ARE.

UM, AND IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO DEFINE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE.

AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE POLICY ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION ON OFFICERS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I, I, I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION.

WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE WITH LANGUAGE AND IT'S JUST, OKAY.

WERE THE WAYS AND ACHIEVE FIND OUT THE BEST LANGUAGE PLAN.

THAT'S TRUE.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT IN THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL RECEIVED ALL OF THE MATERIAL THAN I DID FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT GOT WARNING.

SO FOLKS DIDN'T GET CITATIONS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS A WARNING.

IT MOSTLY WARNINGS OR WHATNOT.

SO WHAT I DID NOTICE THERE WAS, THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SITUATIONS.

SO YOU HAD COMMERCIAL FOLKS THAT HAD THEIR, THEIR TRUCKS THAT THEY'VE PARKED THERE FOREVER, AND IT SHOULD BE STANDARD FARE THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW WRONGLY CAUGHT UP IN THAT.

AND THEN THERE WERE SOME OTHER ONES THAT KIND OF FELL IN THE MIDDLE THAT EVEN, I COULDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOOD TRUCK THAT IS PARKED SOMEWHERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT PARKED AND HOW DOES THIS, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? THE S THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEMS OR THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND AVOID WHAT PAUL HAS BROUGHT OUR ATTENTION TO, UM, TRUCKS THAT ARE THEY'RE TOO BIG.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE PARKED THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THE AMBULANCE, BUT JAY, I ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PARKING IT ON A FRIDAY AND THEN HAVING IT GONE ON MONDAY, IS THERE LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN SOMEHOW MAKE IT WHERE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT SHE SPENDS SPENCER'S TEAM NEEDS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SOUND.

AND, BUT THE LORD ALSO, YOU DON'T JUST LIST WHICH YOUR, OR YOU CAN WHICHEVER, AND YOU CANNOT PATIENT.

PLEASE CAN NEVER TRACK DOWN THAT.

SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING LEAVE THIS TO WEST PEARSON, THE CITY MANAGER, WHAT

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COME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AGAIN, AMANDA, I'VE GOT IT.

A QUESTION.

IF I COULD, CHIEF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL RECEIVED ALL THESE VARIOUS EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS AND SO FORTH.

AND I, AND I LOOKED, UM, LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND TRIED TO PUT MY BRAIN AND, UM, WHAT THE OFFICER MIGHT'VE BEEN THINKING OR GOING THROUGH AT THAT TIME.

AND SOME OF THESE, NOT ALL, BUT SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS, LIKE ONE OF THEM WAS ON LINDBERGH DRIVE.

A COUPLE OF THEM WERE NEAR THE AIRPORT, UM, UH, WEST OF THE AIRPORT, NOT REMOTELY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL, AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING AT TO DETERMINE RESIDENTIAL? SO, ADMITTEDLY, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE HAD, WE DID HAVE SOME ERRORS IN INTERPRETING A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, SOME OF MY WELL-MEANING NOT OFFICER'S AGAIN, THE UPPER GROUP, UH, SOME OF THEM, INSTEAD OF ASKING THEIR SUPERVISOR, THEY THEY'VE MADE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ON THE HOTEL AS A RESIDENT, EVEN THOUGH WE TOLD THEM THAT IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED A RESIDENTIAL AREA, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT CAUSED SOME, SOME ISSUES.

SOME IT TOO WAS THE ZONING MAPS AGAIN, USING OUR GIS LAYER, ART, OUR SQUAD CARS THAT LISTED EVERYTHING AS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THERE'S A HUGE PLANE OF BELMONT THAT COMES UP OVER EXCEL BY THE AIRPORT ON THE EAST SIDE AIRPORT, CLOSE TO THE SERVICE CENTER, XCEL DRIVE.

AND THEN IT BUMPS UP TO THE, ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE SOLD.

SO THAT TOUCHES THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THE ADJACENCY ISSUE REALLY CAUSED THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE ERRORS ON OUR PART.

HOWEVER, AGAIN, TALKING WITH KEN, WE'RE GOING TO, WE CAN, WE CAN CORRECT THAT WITH, WITH A DIFFERENT LAYER MAP, WHERE AGAIN, AFTER COUNCIL DIRECTION, WE'VE FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LAND ON IT ON LANGUAGE.

HE CAN COME UP WITH A RED AND GREEN MAP, RIGHT? SO THE RED AREAS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THE GREEN AREAS.

WE CAN ENFORCE.

WE CAN DO THAT WITH HELP FROM OUR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS AND RECORDS.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER ISSUE FOR ME RIGHT NOW IS DEFINING THE LIMITS OF THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, BECAUSE THAT FOR US IS WHERE WE HEARD MOST OF THE PROBLEMS COMING OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM, FROM RESIDENTS THEMSELVES.

AGAIN, WE'VE GOT APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ACTUALLY LEASED SPACES TO BE ABLE TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES IN VANS AND TRUCKS LIKE THAT.

THEY PAY EXTRA MONEY.

WE'VE HAD SOME DOWN THAT, THAT HAVE LIVED DOWN THERE FOR YEARS.

UM, AND WE'RE PROBABLY IN VIOLATION OF THE OLD ORDINANCE AS WELL.

BUT YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR JOB AS COPS IS TO USE OUR DISCRETION, TO TRY TO ENFORCE THE LAW IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER, REASONABLE MANNER.

AND I THINK WE CAN GET THERE.

WE JUST NEED DIRECTION COUNSEL, ON WHAT YOU FEEL IS ACCEPTABLE TO BE PARKED DOWN THERE.

AND FOR US, I THINK THE INTENT BASED ON OUR OTHER, UH, MOUNT MY LAST WORK SESSION, DECEMBER, THE LARGE GIANT TRUCKS, THE TRACTOR TRAILERS, THE COMMERCIAL, THE OBVIOUS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, I THINK WHAT IS A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION FOR THE OTHERS, THE WORK TRUCKS, THE RESIDENTS THAT SAYS TO RESTORATIVE.

THAT'S THE QUESTION.

THAT'S ALL THE TIME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GRANT AN EXCEPTION FOREVER.

SO KNOWING KNOWING WE CAN SOLVE THE MAPPING, I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT THE MAPPING ISSUE WITH RESIDENTIAL.

DO YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH THE RED, THE PROPOSED RED LINE EDITS? IS THAT NO.

WE WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THESE TWO QUESTIONS, TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, FOR ME TWO, I'LL JUST START WITH NUMBER TWO.

UM, I'M COMFORTABLE USING WHATEVER LANGUAGE THAT WORKS WITH WITH WIT AND ALSO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE.

WE DON'T WANT TO TRUCK LOT, AND IF WE DO, WE CAN ZONE ONE MAYBE, BUT, UM, UH, WE ALL AGREE.

WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE AGREE WITH THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, AND WE JUST NEED SOME, MAYBE SOME MINOR EDITS, BUT IF WE NEED TO REMOVE THE WORD ADJACENT OR HOWEVER, WE NEED TO WORD IT, TO MAKE IT SIMPLE SO WE CAN MAP IT, MAP IT CORRECTLY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UNPLEASANT, TH THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER KIND OF EXCEPTION THAT CAME TO MIND WAS WHEN I FIRST MOVED OUT AS A CIRCLE BACK IN 2015, I HAD A U HALL AND I WAS MOVING LATE INTO THE NIGHT AND COULDN'T RETURN THE U-HAUL THAT'S ON THE NEXT DAY.

SO I ENDED UP HAVING TO PARK THE U HAUL DOWN, GOING TOWARDS, WHAT DOES IT HAVE? RAPAHOE RIGHT THERE.

UM, YEAH, ARAPAHO AND SPECTRUM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE, THOSE EMPTY SPACES ARE.

AND SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, I HAVE NOTICED THAT SOME PEOPLE DO TEMPORARILY PARK THERE BECAUSE MULTI-FAMILY PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME.

SO, UM, I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S EXCEPTIONS.

THAT WOULD BE, WELL, WE HAVE PARKING EXEMPTIONS THAT WE CAN GET THE PUBLIC TYPE OF BUSINESSES.

IT'S THE, MAINLY AS THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A, IF I WORK FOR A PLUMBING COMPANY AND I BRING THEM UP AND

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IT'S FOR SHORT-TERM.

WELL, WHAT CHIEF, AGAIN, I'M, I'M ONE OF I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT, THAT, UH, YOU AND WESSON WIT WAS HIS DESIGNATE YOU WHATEVER, UH, SEEK SOME, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES SEE, YOU KNOW, I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE THERE WOULDN'T BE SOME, SOME GOOD IDEAS, MAYBE NOT SOME GOOD IDEAS OF, OF, OF, OF HOW OTHERS CITIES HAVE.

WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME BEST PRACTICES OF OTHER, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO MANAGE THE SAME SORT OF ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MANAGE HERE.

SO WITH YOU TALKING ABOUT THE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, WHY DON'T WE SEE WHAT OTHERS HAVE AND I'D BE, I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT, WHAT YOU THINK IS ENFORCEABLE, WHAT YOU THINK IS REASONABLE, WHAT'S YOUR COLLEAGUES AND OTHER CITY ARE TELLING YOU THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ANSWER TO NUMBER ONE.

AND THE ADJACENCY LANGUAGE AGAIN, IS, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE WITH IT AND MAYBE TO MARLON'S POINT WITH THE RED, THE GREEN MAPS AND STUFF LIKE THIS.

IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T WANT YOU WRITING TICKETS IN COMMERCIAL AREAS, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME THAT SEMI TRAILER FOR, FOR THE GUY WHO LIVES ON BERKELEY, THEY USED TO PARK, YOU KNOW, THERE AND IT'S INFURIATING.

UM, AND, AND THAT, BUT SEE, THAT'S BEHIND THAT HOTEL, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BACK OF THE PLANE.

WHERE'S YOUR, WHAT THERE IS.

AND SO THAT'S THE ADJACENCY ISSUE THAT MAKES SENSE PATCH, THAT TYPE TYPE THING.

SO THAT'S A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, AND IT'S OUR DUTY AND IT'S OUR PREROGATIVE TO TELL YOU WHAT WE SEE OUT THERE.

WE'RE THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO WHEN I TELL YOU THESE THINGS AND, AND YOU HEAR A CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL, THEN, UM, THEN THAT'S YOUR DIRECTION.

SO, SO I, I'M CHALLENGING YOU TO, TO, TO SAY WE DON'T WANT THE, THESE TYPE OF, OF, OF ARGUING ISSUES GOING ON IN AREAS AVAILABLE AND RESPECTFULLY WE ARE HERE BECAUSE OF THE DIRECTION OF THE CANCER.

I UNDERSTAND THE REASON THEY ARE HERE IS BECAUSE WE TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY.

AND THAT'S FINE.

IT'S NOT THOUGH, BECAUSE OUT NOW I'M GETTING CASTIGATED AND MY STAFF IS GETTING CASTIGATED FOR DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE WEREN'T ASKED TO DO.

AND WHEN WE COME HERE FOR ADDITIONAL DIRECTION, WE'RE NOT RECEIVING IT.

IT'S GO FIGURE IT OUT.

SO I NEED, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DIRECTION.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

THE PROPERTY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE YOU'RE INFURIATED ABOUT THIS TRUCK, PARKING AT THAT LIVES AT BERKELEY, THAT'S PARKING, EXCUSE ME.

THAT IS PERMITTED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

IF WE, IF, IF WE, IF WE DON'T AND WE'VE GOT TO APPLY THESE RULES EQUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD, WE CAN'T JUST DO IT IN AREAS WHERE WE DON'T LIKE IT.

AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE DEEP, ANNOYING.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

AND IT'S NOT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THINKING THROUGH THIS.

WE WERE EXACTLY HERE BECAUSE WE DID THOSE THINGS.

I'M HAPPY TO GO OUT AND FIND THE BEST SOLUTIONS, BUT I NEED TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY THESE THINGS.

SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, YES, WE WANT ADJACENCY HERE, BUT NOT HERE.

THAT THAT IS NOT DIRECTION PERSPECTIVE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, PAUL GAVE ME ONE MINUTE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS, IF THIS, YOUR PARTY, YOUR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESS, ON ADJACENT IN YOUR BUSINESS, IT SHOULDN'T BE EXEMPTED.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.

IF YOU STILL WANT ME TO ADJACENT IS WAR.

THAT'S JUST ONE WORD, BUT THAT'S MY OWN BUSINESS.

IF I POP MY OWN VENTURE FUND, I'D MADE DRAGON.

YOU THINK I'M IN VIOLATION? NO.

SO, SO WHAT ARE WE CAN DO IS IF YOU REALLY WANT CUBA ADJACENT, HOWEVER, IF THAT'S YOUR OWN CHARGE IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESS WILL BE EXEMPTED.

JUST ADD ONE MORE LANGUAGE.

EVEN IF IT'S ON THE STREET, KIM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT'S IN YOUR OWN PROPERTY, YOU OWN

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YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

OF MY BUSINESS.

I MAY HAVE 10 TRUCKS.

IF YOU WANT TO CITE EACH TRUCK EVERY DAY, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

SO WHAT WE WORRY ABOUT IS OTHER TRUCKS, OTHERS, COMMERCIAL VARIABLES, DON'T BELONG TO THAT ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL PROMPT.

THEY JUST POP OVER THERE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED, RIGHT? SO WE DID DEFINE THE CORRECT FIRST LNG, THESE QUESTIONS.

SO I WANT YOU TO MAKE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE TAKING THEM SERIOUSLY, AND WE, UH, WE'RE NOT JUST PUSHING THIS CHALLENGE OUT TO YOU AND TRYING NOT TO GIVE YOU GUIDANCE AND PUTTING IT ALL ON YOU.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAY NEED TO MASSAGE.

WE CERTAINLY CAUGHT TOO MANY FISH IN THIS NET.

UH, NOT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO, BUT WE'RE TRYING, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE GAMING THE SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE GONNA KEEP DOING THAT.

NO MATTER WHAT LANGUAGE WE PUT IN HERE, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO, NUMBER ONE, HERE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE LEAD DEFINITION, WE, WE WERE RELYING ON THAT ON WHAT WE WERE TOLD BY, IN ONE OF OUR LAST PRESENTATIONS.

AND IT IS COMPLEX.

ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE TO KEEP GOING BACK TO FIND OUT WHAT TRUCK I HAVE, RIGHT.

SO, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH, IT HAS TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENFORCING IT NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

SO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WE DOING.

WE WERE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE WE WERE TAKING, UH, THE OPINION FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE EVERY DAY, LOOKING AT THESE VEHICLES, EVALUATING WHAT THEY ARE FINDING OUT, WHICH IS THE BEST WAY TO, TO DEFINE OR DESCRIBE IT.

SO THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE, OR NUMBER TWO, OR THAT THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE ADDED ADJACENCY LANGUAGES WRITTEN.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE TRICKY OBVIOUSLY.

AND I THINK ADJACENCIES GOING TO COME UP IN ITEMS WE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.

SO, UH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE AGENCY PORTION OF IT WAS, WAS THAT ADDED ON, UH, DURING THE REDLINING? WAS IT W WAS IT BROADENED AT ALL FROM WHAT WAS FIRST UNDERSTOOD FIRST DISCUSSED WITH THE COUNCIL RECENTLY OR WHAT THE ORDINANCE WAS? WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS THAT THAT PROPERTY COULD BE ADJACENT TO ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT.

AND THE VEHICLE THAT'S IN QUESTION MAY NOT EVEN BE VISIBLE FROM THE NEXT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TRYING.

SO IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE, WHAT ARE WE PROTECTING THERE? SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S AN EYESORE OR CHALLENGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN WE TWEAK THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHO'S AIMING AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO FIND THESE SPOTS.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PARK.

SO IT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUSH IT ALL ON YOU.

WE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NOT OUR, DEPARTMENT'S DOING THE BEST.

I APPLAUD THEM FOR THAT.

THEY'RE ALWAYS BEEN, SOMEONE'S ALWAYS GOING TO DRIVE A GAME.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND WE'RE NOT AFRAID OF HARD WORK.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT AFRAID TO SOLVE HARD PROBLEMS. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE READY TO DO THE VERY BEST, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND THIS IS WHY I, I GUESS MY FACE IS AS RED AS MY HEAD.

IT'S BECAUSE WE CAN'T OVERSIMPLIFY THIS EITHER, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, IT'S JUST THIS SIMPLE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IF IT WERE, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION.

YOU KNOW, WITH I'M VERY COMFORTABLE SAYING, SAY THAT I'M NOT CONTENT WITH THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, NOR AM I CONTENT WITH, WITH THE ADJACENCY LANGUAGES.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.

WE WILL GO AND DO WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTS, WHAT WE NEED.

YOU'D BE CLEAR ON THE DIRECTION.

SO WHETHER THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE ADJACENCY LADY, WHICH IS WRITTEN, IF YES, THEN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOOD.

AND THEN WE MOVE ON.

IF NO, SAY NO.

AND THEN GIVE YOU, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAYOR, I THOUGHT YOUR BLINK LANGUAGE, RIGHT THERE WAS, IT WAS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL, RIGHT? I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EVERY BIT OF THE LANGUAGE TONIGHT, BUT THE CONCEPTS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT SO THAT WE CAN THEN TRY TO GO AND FIND FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES ARE.

SO THAT WE'RE MEETING THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL.

SAME THING WITH THE, UH, WITH NUMBER ONE, IS THIS, UH, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH HOW WE'RE DEFINING THIS ARE, OR IS I LIKE YOUR ANALOGY OR IS THE, IS THE NET CATCHING TOO MANY FISH? CAN WE NEED TO MAKE A SMALLER NET? SO THAT WE'RE REALLY, REALLY FOCUSING ON WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT WE WOULD BE, WHAT WE'RE INTENDING SEMI-TRUCKS OR UNSIGHTLY BOX TRUCKS OR THINGS LIKE THAT,

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SO, SO, UM, IF I WAS, IF I WAS LESS THAN PRECISE IN MY COMMENTS, I APOLOGIZE.

UM, I WILL TELL YOU ALSO, UH, UH, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE, AS A GROUP, UH, THE, THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFF, UM, WORKING AS A TEAM, UM, MADE BETA FIRST ATTEMPT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

AND IT WAS A PERFECT, OKAY.

UH, I I'LL, I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE WHATEVER, SHARED OUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

THEN IT'S APPROPRIATE.

I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

UM, AND WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO PERFECT THAT ORDER TO GET CLOSER TO PERFECTION.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE OTHER, UH, LET'S FIX IT.

I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY IS HEARING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.

AND IF IT TAKES, WE NEED TO COME BACK AND, AND THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WE WANTED TO FIND THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IS.

AND WE CAN ALL HAVE A DISCUSSION.

IS, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? MAYBE WE ARE.

MAYBE WE AREN'T.

AND, AND HERE'S MY, HERE'S YOUR MIGHT BE A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE TO THE ADJACENCY TO SHOW THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

ARE YOU CALL, ARE YOU NOT? I THINK THAT'S THE WAY FORWARD HERE.

BUT IT IS AS SIMPLE FIX THAT TECHNOLOGY CAN HELP US WITH.

I THINK THAT IS.

AND, AND IF I, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO IMPLY THAT WE'RE NOT WORKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM AT A CERTAIN YARD AND WE ARE HERE TOGETHER COUNSELING.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S.

MY DESIRE LIST IS AS THERE IS TO TRY TO PERFECT THIS, IT'S NOT, IT NEVER WAS OUR INTENTION TO WRITE TICKETS TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, COMMERCIAL AREAS.

NO, IT WASN'T OUR INTENTION TO WRITE TICKETS, TO RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND ADDISON CIRCLE OF WHEREVER THAT THAT'S THEIR WORK VEHICLE.

I MEAN, THEY DRIVE A BOX TRUCK TO WORK AND THEY LIVE THERE.

SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW? SO, WELL, I GUESS THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE PROBLEMATICAL.

UM, UM, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

I THINK, I THINK IT'S LIKE IF, IF, IF, IF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS IS TO MANAGE YOUR ASSETS, BUT THEN ASSET WHERE IT BELONGS AND IT'S A BOX TRUCK IS NOT IF THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT SHOULDN'T BE PERSONAL VEHICLE.

I DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A BUSINESS VEHICLE USED FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES, YOU KNOW, TO TRANSPORT YOUR STUFF FROM HERE TO THERE, AND THAT DOESN'T BELONG IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THE PARKING OF THE COMPLEX I HAVE BACK TO THE DEFINITION OF, THAT'S A HARDER QUESTION.

I AGREE.

I AGREE WITH, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME, SOME REAL, UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, ON WHAT, WHAT IS THAT TAKE HOME VEHICLE? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? CAUSE IF YOU DRIVE A STREET SWEEPER DURING THE DAY , AND WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, NOW I'M ASKING YOU TO GO.

I THINK WE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS.

I PERSONALLY, WELL, THERE'S ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.

THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO, ONCE WE PUT, ONCE WE GET THIS LANGUAGE REFINED, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, I GET THAT.

UM, IS THERE A WAY TO, UM, NOT JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE OFFICER'S DISCRETION OR SOMETHING OR SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE IS A COMMON SENSE CLAUSE THAT DOESN'T, THAT CAN'T BE JUST TOO VAGUE.

SURE.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

OUR OFFICERS ON A DAILY BASIS OPERATE AT THEIR DISCRETION.

SO WHEN THEY SEE SOMEBODY GOING 35 AND A 30, THEY HAVE THE CHOICE TO PULL THEM OVER OR NOT.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY SEE SOMEBODY WHO IS PARKED, YOU KNOW, A VEHICLE THAT'S PARKED AND THEY DON'T DETERMINE IT TO BE A VIOLATION AND IT'S REASONABLY CAN BE CONSIDERED, NOT THAT THEY DON'T GIVE A VIOLATION.

THE ISSUE IS WHEN THERE IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE EXERCISE OF THAT DISCRETION AND MAYBE A POLICY DIRECTION.

RIGHT? SO IF THE POLICY DIRECTION IS, HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO DO THIS THIS WAY.

AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR OFFICER DISCRETION, THEN YOU HAVE PROBLEMS. RIGHT? AND, AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR CHIEF SPENCER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I THINK LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS NEED TO BE ABLE TO EXERCISE THEIR DISCRETION IN ORDER TO EFFECTIVELY HELP THE COMMUNITY MAINTAIN LAW AND ORDER.

OH, WELL IT'S CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE ZONE, THE ZONE MAPS, THE LACK OF THEM.

CAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ONE WITH THREE.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S A SIMPLE, WELL, IT'S A SIM IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME WORK,

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SO IF WE CREATE THE APPROPRIATE GIS BASED MAP, UH, OR OVERLY WITH, UH, WITH, WITH, ON A BASE MAP, THEN I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.

AND THAT HAPPENS BEING ON ONE OF OUR PILLARS.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO.

AND WE FOCUS ON IT.

SO I THINK IT'S NOT UP THERE BECAUSE ONE, WE CAN, WE CAN FIX IT.

AND, AND TWO, WE THINK IT'S A USEFUL TOOL REGARDLESS OF THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.

BUT BEFORE THAT HAPPENED, PLEASE DO NOT CITED.

THAT'S ALL I ASKED FOR.

SO, SO TO THAT POINT, CAUSE WE ARE IN A PERIOD OF PAUSE, WE HAVE NOT CONTINUED TO ENFORCE THIS AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULDN'T FALL IN THIS, UH, CHIEF, FOR EXAMPLE, PARKING AND FIRE LANES IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S A PARKING ISSUE IN FIRE LANES, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF A HANDICAP HANDICAP.

THOSE TYPES OF THINGS CAN, CAN, CAN BE.

THOSE ARE ALL WERE ALREADY SOMETHING THAT WE ENFORCE AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF.

UH, BUT SPECIFICALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS, THE APPLICANT, THE ENFORCEMENT, EXCUSE ME, OF THIS ORDINANCE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO PAUSE UNTIL WE, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE CLARIFIES.

AND SO WHAT'S GOING TO RE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE FOR US IS WE WILL WORK ON SOMETHING TO, TO, TO, TO IDENTIFY THE, WHAT, WHAT A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IS.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I DO NEED TO ASK THOUGH, IS IF, IF WE GO FORWARD AND WE SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE MAY, WE MAY PICK THIS RANDOM TO START WITH.

WHAT'S OFFENSIVE, CORRECT.

BUT THAT'LL BE BEGIN THE DISCUSSION.

SO LET'S SAY, UH, THERE'S A RATE.

I'M JUST MAKING THIS UP.

WELL, YOU CONFUSE ME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT THAT'S A WEIGHT 26,000 OF A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, BUT THAT GIVES US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE THAT IS.

SO LET'S SAY THERE'S, THERE'S A RANKING OF VEHICLES, ONE TO 10, 10 BEING THE BIGGEST AND ONE BEING SMALLEST.

THEN COMMERCIAL VEHICLES START IN THE FIVE TO 10 RANGE.

YOU KNOW, IT GOES, IT GOES FROM FIVE TO 10 IF WE STARTED.

AND THIS IS JUST FOR CONCEPTUAL FOR US TO KIND OF HAVE A LIGHT LANDING PLACE.

IF WE STARTED, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THAT HYPOTHETICAL SEVEN AND EVERYTHING OVER SEVEN, WE REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS AND EVERYTHING UNDER SEVEN WE'RE WE'RE OKAY WITH, IS THAT A GOOD PLACE TO START CONCEPTUALLY, TO BE ABLE TO HELP DEFINE THAT COMMERCIAL VEHICLE? I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A ABSTRACT CONCEPT.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT AT LEAST IT GETS US FOCUSING IN A SPECIFIC PLACE TO THEN COME BACK AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNSELOR.

GIVE US THE CHANCE TO RANK OFFENDING VEHICLES.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT, OKAY.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE, WE'LL MAKE THAT UP, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA THAT WAS IN MY HEAD ABOUT HOW TO START TO ADDRESS THAT THE WEST SIDE.

ALSO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THESE PIECE OF THIS AS TO WHAT DO YOU THINK, WHAT LOOKS RIGHT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA? OKAY.

AND THAT'S WEST PEARSON'S OPINION, MAYBE PAUL SPENCER'S OPINION, WHY IT'S OPINION AND MAYBE THE KITCHEN IT'S OPINION, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SUBJECTIVE THING, BUT THERE'S VALUE THERE.

YOU ALL ARE PROFESSIONALS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING.

WE'RE THE VOLUNTEERS HERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE SHARING WITH YOU, A CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE WANT TO HAVE A NICE COMMUNITY.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT TO THIS BUSINESS, DEGRADES OUR COMMUNITY.

SO LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND SO I SAW ONE, I WON'T THROW OUT THAT.

I MEAN, I'LL OPEN TO, TO YOU WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR TORSO AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SPEAKING FOR STAFF AND STUFF LIKE THAT, MAYBE YOU'VE ROUND TABLE WITH SOME OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, AND YOU, YOU COME TO SOME KIND OF, OKAY.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD THINK THIS MIGHT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SO FAR WEST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE CONCEPTUALIZING HERE.

SO I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME HELL OF JOHN AND WITH YOU ON THIS.

I APPRECIATE THAT THERE WAS NONE OTHER THING I THINK IS KIND OF A LEADING THING IS IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY, UH, STRAIGHTFORWARD, EASY FOR THE OFFICERS TO IDENTIFY.

AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON THE STREETS PROTECTING AS THE LAST THING WE WANT THEM DOING IS IN A HEADSPIN ABOUT A TRUCK IF IT FITS THE DESCRIPTION.

SO EASE OF USE.

AYE, AYE, AYE.

SIMPLE AS, UH, ONE OF MY FAVORITE WORDS.

SO DO YOU HAVE ART DIRECTION YET? AND THEN, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, ON THE SECOND ONE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A HARD NUT TO CRACK, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE ARE GOING TO BE AREAS JUST, I THINK IT WAS DEMONSTRATED HERE RECENTLY WHERE THERE'S JUST A DISAGREEMENT AND AT THAT POINT IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE THERE.

IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THE COUNCIL TO SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE COMFORTABLE.

AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE NOT,

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DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT, BUT WE WILL BRING FORWARD THINGS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THAT CONVERSATION SO THAT WE MEET NOT ONLY THE SIMPLE DIRECTION, BUT ALSO THE, THE, THE, THE QUALITY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT TO APPLY THESE RULES EQUALLY ACROSS ALL, ALL, ALL AREAS.

SO OTHERWISE WE GET, SO PEOPLE CAN, IS IT DON'T HAVE THE SIDE TO PEOPLE HAS THEIR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE BUSINESSES.

SO THAT'S THE MOST EMINENT ISA I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, PEOPLE PUT THEIR OWN COMPANY CAR IN FUNDED THEIR BUSINESSES.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NEED TO GIVE IT ANY WARNING OR A CITATION.

THAT'S THAT, THAT'S MY CONSTANT, YOU KNOW, SO OF COURSE WE WANT TO HAVE CLEAN NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, NO, THE BIG TRUCKS THAT WRONG.

SO BY THE WAY, YOU NEED TO KEEP THE ADJACENCY JASON LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN WE COME BACK AND GIVE US SOME, SOME SUGGESTION AND SO ANY MORE DISCUSSION FOR THIS ONE.

SO DO YOU, YOU GOT, I HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS.

NO, THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED CONVERSATION LATER.

PRESENT, DISCUSS CONSIDERATION ON MATTERS RELATED TO THE LAYLA PARK, ALL DOOR FITNESS SCHOOL.

THANK YOU, CHIEF

[6. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on Matters Related to the Les Lacs Park Outdoor Fitness Court. ]

JENNA, SORRY, SAY THE WORD PLEASE.

JEN, UH, COLLEAGUES.

I WANT TO THROW OUT AN IDEA, UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS AGENDA, YOU KNOW, I, I HAD A LITTLE BIT TO SAY ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST DISCUSSION.

AND I WANTED TO IN, IN, IN LESS WEAKER SHOW UP AND TRY TO REFLECT ON THIS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TO LORI'S POINT, I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF PEOPLE'S, UH, PETITIONERS.

IT WAS PUTTING UP THERE THAT, AND IT OCCURS TO ME THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO NEW MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

AND RIGHT NOW CANDIDATES ARE OUT KNOCKING ON DOORS AND TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS.

AND I, IT IS, IT WAS MY EXPERIENCE THAT, UM, IN DOING THAT, YOU REALLY HEAR A LOT ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WHAT'S ON THEIR MIND.

AND, AND, UM, AND I'M THINKING THAT THOSE CANDIDATES MIGHT VERY WELL HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT COULD BE ON THE COMMUNITY'S MIND, PARTICULARLY YOUR AREA, THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME PETITIONS.

AND SO, UM, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT IF, UH, IF, IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN CAITLIN, THIS, UM, PENDING, UH, TABLING THIS UNTIL THE, UH, AFTER THE ELECTION TO ALLOW, UM, UH, THE MOST RECENTLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE JUST BEEN SPEAKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.

AND, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY WILL BE TALKING TO, UM, THE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON THOSE DOORS AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, YES, I'M ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PETITION WAS ABOUT.

I WAS IN FAVOR OF IT.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, WHAT IT, WHATEVER IT IS, BECAUSE THERE IS SOME QUESTION IN MY MIND AS TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATURE OF THE PETITION, IF IT WAS CLEAR AND IF IT WAS ACCURATELY REPRESENTED WHAT THE SITUATION WAS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN JODY ACTUALLY TALKED TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED IT AND MAY NOT.

SO, UM, IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN THAT, UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IF, UH, IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS, THAT, I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT, TO SEE IF THERE WAS, IF THAT WAS, IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST IN ENTERTAINING THAT OR NOT.

LET'S MAKE A DECISION DENYING TOO CUTE THERE.

I'M READY TO CONCLUDE THIS MATTER.

I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS.

EVERYBODY HAS HAD RECHECKS, UM, WANTS TO REACH US.

UM, SO I'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE THIS TONIGHT.

LAURIE, I'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE IT TONIGHT.

I FEEL LIKE WE, AS A COUNCIL ARE FOCUSED ON THE RIGHT DECISIONS BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET FROM, FROM, FROM STAFF AND FROM RESIDENTS.

AND I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE AND EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL TO MEGAN SOUND DECISION, THAT'S NOT POLITICALLY DRIVEN.

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MIKE, MY THOUGHT ON THIS IS, UH, THIS, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE AFFECTED IN THIS AREA.

IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE APPRECIATIVE AND WE RECEIVED THE PETITION, THE PETITION THAT WE DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF THEM, WE'VE HAD EXTRA SIGNATURES ADDED, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

BY THE PLAYGROUND MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE.

UH, WHAT UNSEEN IS THAT? IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE AREA THAT WE'RE GETTING THE MOST OF THESE PETITIONS AS FROM AN AREA THAT IT SEEMS TO BE UNDERREPRESENTED HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT IT THERE'S, I GET A SENSE OF A LACK OF EITHER THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SENDING OUT TO THEM OR THAT, UH, THAT AT THE ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT THAT PEOPLE HAVE, I'M NOTICING THAT THERE'S LESS PARTICIPATION IN VOTING IN THIS AREA, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN THESE PEOPLE DON'T GET A VOICE, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S THEIR CHOICE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO GO AND VOTE AND ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THAT WAY.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD NEED, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE THE ELECTION, SINCE 2018.

THIS IS TWO MORE MONTHS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, PERHAPS TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE HERE, GETTING SOME MORE INPUT FROM THE FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE, THAT AREN'T REPRESENTED THERE.

SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF WAITING TO SEE IF IN FACT, THE NEXT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR SEATS, CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGED.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE POSSIBLY THREE OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE POSSIBLY TWO, AT LEAST TWO THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE.

AND, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE, ARE GOING TO BE REPRESENTING BEYOND THE NEXT THREE MONTHS.

UM, HAVE A VOICE IN THIS CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ALSO BE COMING BACK OUT TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO I WILL NOT GO AGAINST WHAT THE COUNCIL SAYS.

I DON'T WANT TO BE, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE MAVERICK HERE, BUT I WANT YOU TO REALIZE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE NEW REPRESENTATIVES IN THIS AREA.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE, THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT'S ACCURATE.

NO, THEY DON'T, BUT JUST GIVES US ANOTHER CHANCE TO INTRODUCE NEW CANDIDATES.

LET THEM GET A PULSE TO WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

WE KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO, WE KNOW THE AREAS.

SO I, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SEE US HOLD THIS OFF UNTIL WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT.

YOU WERE CANDIDATES WHO ARE GOING TO BE HERE.

THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE GOING ON.

THERE WILL BE TWO NEW PEOPLE HERE.

SO THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING TOO IN THERE.

SO YOU MIGHT NEED SOME MORE TO THE DOING OUR JOB STAFF, DOING THEIR JOB.

AND WE'VE HEARD FROM WE'VE.

UM, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM MORE RESIDENTS ON THIS ISSUE.

I THINK I'VE HEARD ON ANYTHING.

UM, ANYTHING, UH, CAUSE I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE SAMS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED, BUT SO THAT'S JUST, UH YEAH.

MY POINT IS, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS MANY TIMES, WE AS STAFF TO FIND ALTERNATIVES TO LOCATION AND THEN THEY DID FIND THEM TO ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS, I BELIEVE, AT LEAST WINGING IT HERE.

SO WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED.

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROS, LOTS OF CONS.

SO INSTEAD OF JUST PURELY ON A TABLE AND BESIDES TODAY, TOM IS NOT HERE.

NO, YOU DON'T HAVE THE VOTE AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE TYPEWRITER.

SO LET'S HEAR THE PRESENTATION THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JANET TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

I'M BRINGING BACK BEFORE YOU AN ITEM THAT WAS RECENTLY PRESENTED, UM, FIRST IN SEPTEMBER, UM, WHERE COUNCIL AWARDED, UM, STAFF TO PROCEED WITH A GRANT, YOU SEE RECRUITMENT FOR OUTDOOR FITNESS COURT EQUIPMENT, AND THEN, UM, AN ITEM THAT WAS AWARDED TO PURCHASE OUTDOOR FITNESS COURT EQUIPMENT.

SINCE THAT TIME PRESIDENTS HAVE APPROACHED STAFF IN COUNCIL, UM, AND SHARED SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF THE APP, OUTDOOR FITNESS SPORT AT LEE LOCKS PARK.

THAT CONCERNS THAT THEY SHARED BY, UM, WAS THAT THE LOCATION AND USE IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

GREENSCAPE WILL BE LOST THE AESTHETICS, THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE CRIME NUISANCE MATERIALS WILL DETERIORATE OR REQUIRE MAINTENANCE.

UM, LOCATION

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ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR THE COURT IS A CONCERN.

UM, IT WILL NOT BE USED WELL, WAS A CONCERN AND APPEALS TO A YOUNGER AGE GROUP, WHICH IS NOT REPRESENTED IN THE AREA.

UM, I ALSO HAVE PROVIDED THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE TO COUNCIL, WHERE WE SHARED THOSE CONCERNS AND SHARED THE BACKGROUND, UH, HOW WE SELECTED THE SITE, UM, AT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL JUSTICE DISCUSSION.

AND THAT'S HERE IN CASE YOU'D HAVE QUESTIONS OVER IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FROM IT IN THIS PRESENTATION THEY'RE HERE.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS TO DISCUSS NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS.

UM, BUT IT'S A FOLLOW-UP BECAUSE AFTER WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH COUNSEL, UM, COUNSEL ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT ALTERNATE LOCATIONS AND THE COST TO RELOCATE THE FITNESS COURT, IF IT WAS INSTALLED AT LAY LOGS AND THEN IT LATER DEEMED APPROPRIATE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE PRESENTING TO YOU.

THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED LOCATION, WAS IT LATE LOCKS PARK? IT WAS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PLAYGROUND.

IT WAS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOT.

I HAVE PROVIDED AN AERIAL PHOTO WITH A RED BOX OF THE GENERAL LOCATION OF WHERE THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED, UM, IN A PHOTO OF THAT LOCATION, ALONG WITH THAT, FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE THE SITES THAT WE LOOKED AT, I PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION.

ONE OF THOSE IS THE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE.

UM, THIS LOCATION IS 156 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENCE.

UM, WAS THIS LOCATION CONSIDERED IN THE PARKS RECREATION, OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN? YES, IT WAS.

UM, WAS THIS LOCATION CONSIDERED IN THE NFC GRANT APPLICATION AND CONSIDERED FAVORABLE? YES, IT WAS.

UM, WITH THE LOCATION REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO CONSTRUCT, NO, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR BASIS OF DESIGN.

UM, AND WOULD THERE BE SITE IMPACTS? YES, THERE WILL BE ONE WORD, A MIDDLE TREE THAT IS REMOVED.

WE WILL MITIGATE THAT TREE.

WE WILL PLANT ANOTHER ONE TO THE CLOSEST AT ANY.

AND THERE IS A PICNIC TABLE THAT WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE FITNESS COURT AT THE SITE.

CAN YOU, BEFORE YOU GO THERE ON SURE.

IS THERE ANY VERBIAGE ON HERE ABOUT THE SHADE? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? SURE.

THIS LOCATION HAS TWO, UM, EXISTING SHADE TREES THAT DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB THROUGHOUT THE DAY OF SHADING THE AREA.

AND IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A SHADE STRUCTURE TO BE INSTALLED OVER THIS LOCATION.

SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SHADED AREA.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SHADE FITNESS COURT, WHETHER MOTHER NATURE DOES IT.

UM, OR WE PROVIDED JULIE, CAN YOU REMIND US ON HOW MANY TREES WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS LOCATION? SURE.

THERE WILL BE ONE ORNAMENTAL TREE.

THAT'S FROM THE GROUPS FROM THIS LOCATION.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IT, IT'S KIND OF RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE SITE AREA.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT A LOCATION THAT WAS ADJACENT TO THE VOLLEYBALL COURT.

UM, IDEALLY STAFF INITIALLY LOOKED AT SITES TO SEE IF WE COULD PUT ALL OF OUR RECREATION AMENITIES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

UM, IT DID HAVE, UM, A FEW THINGS THAT WEREN'T AS POSITIVE IN OUR MIND, UM, AS THE PREVIOUS SITE AND THE FIRST ONE WAS THE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE.

UM, THIS LOCATION WOULD REQUIRE, UM, US TO PLACE A 38 BY 38 CONCRETE PAD, WHICH IS A PART FOR ALL OF THEM.

BUT THAT CON THE EDGE OF THAT CONCRETE PAD WOULD BE 27 FEET FROM A RESIDENCE.

UM, THIS LOCATION WAS CONSIDERED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND IT WAS FAVORABLE BY THE GRANT PROCESS.

UM, WOULD WE NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO CONSTRUCT AT THIS LOCATION? YES, WE, WE DID A SITE SURVEY ALREADY FOR THIS LOCATION.

WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ANOTHER SITE SURVEY AND THIS LOCATION, UM, DOES RECEIVE MORE SUN BASED ON WHERE THAT EXISTING TREE IS.

AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT A SHADE STRUCTURE WOULD NEED TO BE PLACED AT THIS LOCATION.

LET ME KNOW WHAT COSTS THAT THAT MIGHT BE.

WE, WE GOT SOME ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COST AND WE ANTICIPATE THE SHADE STRUCTURE WOULD COST BETWEEN 25,000 TO $30,000.

SO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THIS, THIS LOCATION HERE, IF YOU GO BACK, THIS IS FURTHER, IT'S FURTHER EAST FROM THE LOCATION FIRST LOCATION AND IS 138 FEET FURTHER AWAY IN EAST A LITTLE BIT.

AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS WHERE THIS FOOTPRINT IS SHOWING NOW WOULD BE 27 FEET FROM THIS RESIDENT.

IT'S CLOSER TO THE COAST UP TO .

SO I'M NOT CONFUSED WHERE IT IS.

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UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GROUP UNDERSTANDS.

SO THIS BOX THAT YOU HAVE SHELLED ON, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THAT'S 27 FEET FROM THE RESIDENCE.

IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT BOX IS NOT PERFECTLY DISCOUNTED APPROXIMATELY, APPROXIMATELY.

AND, UH, UM, WHAT WAS THAT, THAT VOLLEY VOLLEYBALL COURT IS CLOSER THAN 2017 TO THAT DID THAT RESIDENCE, CORRECT.

SO THESE RESIDENTS HERE HAVE A VOLLEYBALL COURT BASKETBALL COURT AND A TENNIS COURT WITHIN THIS 27 FEET OR SO, ALL RIGHT.

SO THE ADDITION OF THIS WOULDN'T BE IN A CULTURE, IN FACT, PROBABLY FURTHER THAN THE OTHER THREE THAT ARE IN THIS CLOSE, IS THAT CORRECT? THE, UM, I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE VOLLEYBALL COURTS, ABOUT 15 FEET FROM A RESIDENT, I WILL, UM, ALSO SHARE THAT I DO GET PHONE CALLS, UM, FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE USE OF THE VOLLEYBALL COURTS AND THEN SOME OF THE WIDENING.

SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE LIGHTING ON THE VOLLEYBALL COURT DOING, WE DO NOT.

UM, WE HAVE LIGHTING OVER THE TENNIS COURTS.

UM, SOMETIMES THE VOLLEYBALL COURT USERS FIND A WAY TO TURN THE TENNIS COURT ENLIGHTENMENT.

THEY PLAYED TENNIS, SOMEBODY IT TURNS OUT, OKAY.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO EXTRACT FROM THIS, THAT THIS ISN'T ANY CLOSER THAN WHAT'S THERE ALREADY.

IF IT'S ACTIONABLE OBJECTIONS IN THIS LOCATION TO WHAT'S THERE NOW, THE TENNIS SCORES AND WHAT WAS MOVING INTO THIS LOCATION THAT DOESN'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A TENANT AND THEN THERE'S THREE COURTS THERE FOR ACTIVITY.

AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS SLIDE IS TO BRING A UNIT THAT IS IN A GROUP EXERCISE, MAYBE BECAUSE I THINK WE DO, WE MAY BE PROGRAMMED, RIGHT? WHICH WOULD BE, UM, THIS PART DUE TO THE ACCESSIBILITY ABOUT ABSENT ATHLETIC CLUB, WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING SOME PROGRAM CLASSES, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WHEN THERE'S A REGULATED REGULATED CLASS, THIS IS KIND OF A TWO OR THREE PEOPLE ARE NOT WAITING IN LINE TO GET TO IT BECAUSE YOU TYPICALLY USE IT AS YOU'RE RUNNING, YOU INTRODUCE IT INTO YOUR, UM, WHEREVER YOU WERE CHEATING ROUTINE IS, AND THEN YOU, AND THEN YOU MOVE ON.

IT'S NOT A LUMINARY PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CAMP AND, UM, AND LINGER IT'S ROUTINE.

IT'S A SEVEN MINUTE ROUTINE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT YOUR IT'S SEVEN WORKOUTS AND SEVEN MINUTES, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD REPEAT THE CYCLE.

SO IT WILL HAVE PEOPLE THERE IN WATER, BUT IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE LEAVE FOR NOW.

THERE BE ANY SITE IMPACTS AND YES, THERE WOULD BE ONE TREE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED.

SO UNDERSTOOD.

SO THIS IS, THIS WOULD REQUIRE A, THIS LOCATION WAS CHOSEN.

THIS WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL COSTS OF SHADING AND A LITTLE BIT OF SITE SURVEY AND SOME DESIGN WORK TO GET THE CONCRETE PATH SET AT THE RIGHT LOCATION AND ELEVATION THE LOCATION.

AND THEN THE THIRD LOCATION WAS LOCATED AT MATURE BEACON PARK ON THE EDGE OF AN EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT THE TOWN OWNS.

UM, WE'VE SHOWN THE AREA WHERE THIS WOULD BE LOCATED.

UM, THE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE IS 35 FEET.

UM, THIS LOCATION WAS INTENDED IN THE PARKS RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN TO HAVE OUTDOOR FITNESS EQUIPMENT.

I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT STAFF ALWAYS INTENDED THAT WE WOULD INSTALL IT WHEN KIND OF THE GREEN SPINE IS FINALLY DEVELOPED IN THE VITRUVIAN DEVELOPMENT, THAT IT WOULD BE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED.

UM, BUT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN DID NOT SPECIFY THAT.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THAT GREEN SPINE IS YOU'RE REFERRING TO? SURE.

IN THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE VITRUVIAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHEN THE EXISTING APARTMENTS THAT WERE, LET'S CALL THEM THE OLDER APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT YOU ARE NOW OWNS, EVENTUALLY THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEMOED AND THERE WILL BE A GREEN, NEW APARTMENTS BUILT AROUND IT IN A GREEN CORRIDOR IN THE CENTER THAT CORRIDOR WILL TERMINATE JUST ABOUT WHERE THE AMPHITHEATER IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRIDION WAY.

SO WE'LL LINE UP WITH THAT AND IT WILL BE VERY VISIBLE AND SURROUNDED BY COUNCIL.

UM, WAS THE LOCATION CONSIDERED IN THE NFC GRANT APPLICATION? YES, IT WAS.

UM, WITH THE LOCATION REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO CONSTRUCT.

YES, OF COURSE.

NONE OF THIS LOCATION IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL SURVEY AND SOME GRADING WORK.

UM, IT'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN'T MANAGE JUST OFFSETTING CUT AND FILL.

UM, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO DO A SURVEY TO LOOK AT THAT AND WE WOULD, UM, A SHADE STRUCTURE WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THIS LOCATION.

AND WOULD

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I HAVE A QUESTION.

IS THIS BOX REPRESENTING CLOSE TO 38 BY 37? THE BOX DOES NOT.

IT JUST SHOWS THE AREA.

SO IT COULD BE HALF OF THAT BOX.

I'M TRYING TO GET A BETTER.

SO I WENT OUT AND MEASURED ON THE SIDE FROM, IF YOU SEE THE THREE TREES THAT ARE CLOSEST FROM THE PARKING LOT, UM, THE TREE TO GETTING MY DIRECTIONS RIGHT TO THE NORTH.

IF I STARTED KIND OF RIGHT ABOUT AT THAT TREE AND THEN WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH, IT WOULD STALL RIGHT BEFORE THAT THIRD TREE.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE OUR IRRIGATION VALVE BOXES AND THE LAWN AND THAT PHOTO, IT WOULD STOP ABOUT RIGHT THERE IN THAT LITTLE.

SO IT'S ABOUT TWO CAR LENGTHS.

SO IF YOU LOOK OVER HERE ON THE PARKING AREA WHERE IT'S STRIPED, IT'S TWO CAR LANE TOOK TWO LENGTHS OF CARS BY MAYBE THREE OR FOUR LEGS TO CARS THAT SQUARE, JUST TO GIVE ME AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT SIZE OF THAT.

SO PARKING STALL IS TYPICALLY 18 TO 20 FEET.

AS FREQUENT AND THINGS WON'T GET AS STRESSED OR NOTICE PROBABLY AS QUICKLY AS IT WAS ACROSS FROM THE ATHLETIC CLUB.

THAT'S FAIR.

SO ON THIS, ON THIS OPTION LOCATION, THERE IS NO SHADY.

UM, PERHAPS IF YOU PUT IT FURTHER SOUTH THERE, IS THERE A SHADING AVAILABLE WITHOUT A COST, UM, FURTHER SOUTH OR FURTHER BEFORE ON THIS ANYWHERE, IS THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SHADING WITHOUT IF WE MOVE TOWARDS THE TREES, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME STEEPS, THE SLOPE GETS STEEPER AS IT GOES TO THE CREEK.

AND THAT WILL BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO CAN START THE PATH THERE.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TREES BY THE CREEK, RIGHT? OKAY.

AND HOW, HOW MANY STORIES IS THAT APARTMENT THAT'S AVOID TOO? I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S THREE OR FOUR.

WHAT'S THE CONCERN WITH THE HEIGHT THAT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT PROVIDE SOME SHADES, SIX STORIES HIGH FROM THIS, THIS LOCATION I'M TRYING TO LOOK COSTS.

I ACTUALLY HAVE AN ANSWER.

JESSICA WHO WORKS FOR YOU, YARA SAYS, IT'S FIVE STORIES.

THANK YOU, JUSTIN.

BUT THE SHAME IS NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT GOING TO FALL, BUT SO CAN THIS LOCATION PROVIDED CORRECT ME IF I'M OFF AND AGAIN, I'VE TRIED TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION.

THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT I THINK WE NEED TO DISSEMINATE TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO THIS LOCATION IS NOT, WASN'T THE FIRST LOCATION THAT WE SELECTED BECAUSE OF THE LET'S CALL IT THE HEAT MAP THE WHAT'S BEING USED THERE RIGHT NOW, THE POT, THE PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS HERE, MAYBE A LITTLE LOW, A SUCCESSFUL LOCATION.

HOW MUCH IT'S OF PEOPLE WITHIN THE ATHLETIC CLUB MAY OR MAY NOT OVER TOTAL, PERHAPS IT MAY BE ALONG WITH THE RUN, BUT CERTAINLY NOT FROM THE CLUB TO HERE.

SO CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, UH, WHAT WERE ACTUALLY, IT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU, DID YOU HELP? OKAY.

CAN YOU GET THAT QUESTION WAS, UH, DESCRIBE THE TYPE OF MONITORING THAT WILL BE UNAVAILABLE IF PLACED AT THE VITRUVIAN LOCATION, THIS LOCATION YOU'RE SEEING HERE AND THE IMPACT TO THE SUCCESS THAT MAY, THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED DUE TO THIS LOCATION.

SURE.

IF IT'S LOOKING AT, ACROSS THE STREET OF, UH, OUT OF SOME ATHLETIC CLUB, WE ROLL IT INTO THE DAILY MONITORING THAT OUR STAFF DOES OF OUR EXISTING ATHLETIC FACILITIES.

SO WE HAVE STAFF THAT GOES TO THE PLAYGROUND, THAT BILLION, UM, VOLLEYBALL COURT, TENNIS BALL COURT, AND BASKETBALL COURT, AND COLLECT TRASH AT LEAST ONCE A DAY, SOMETIMES TWICE, YOU KNOW, WORKLOAD.

UM, THEY ALSO SURVEY THE AREA IF THERE'S ISSUES THAT THEY SEE THAT EVER OCCURRED, AND THEY ARE ALERT A PARKS MAINTENANCE CREW.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS STAFF IS GOING ABOUT THEIR JOB, THEY DO KEEP EYES ACROSS THE STREET.

AND IF THEY SEE ANYTHING THAT'S BEING MISSED, ABUSED OR NOT USED APPROPRIATELY, THEY WILL GO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, WHETHER THEY GO SPEAK TO SOMEBODY OR THEY MAKE A PHONE CALL TO SEE THAT IT'S HANDLED.

UM, SOMETIMES WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT COME IN AND ALSO POINT OUT TO US THAT THEY, THEY SEE AN ISSUE OCCURRING AND WE'RE ABLE TO HANDLE IT.

UM, IF IT WAS LOCATED AT THIS AREA, UM, WE WOULD ROLL THIS INTO OUR MAINTENANCE, LIKE WE, UM, A GOOD EXAMPLE IS HOW WE TREAT DON'T PARK.

THE PLAYGROUND THAT DOWN PARK, WE HAVE STAFF, THAT'S THERE THREE TIMES A WEEK THAT COLLECTS TRASH AND WALKS THE PLAYGROUND AND MONITORS IT FOR ISSUES, AND THEN MAKES NOTE OF ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO IT'S NOT THAT IT WON'T BE, UM, HAVE EYES LAID ON IT AND IT WON'T BE MAINTAINED.

IT IS, IT WON'T BE

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UM, THIS SITE, WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF TRAIL USERS THAT WERE COMING TO THE END OF THE TRAIL AND MAKING THEIR LOOP BACK AROUND.

UM, THERE WAS MORE MAKING IT ALL THE WAY INTO THAT AREA THAN WHAT I ANTICIPATED TO SEE.

UM, WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BALCONIES OVER, LOOK, THIS JUST HAVING WHERE THINGS AREN'T OUTSIDE, OUT OF MIND, THE MORE EYES THAT YOU HAVE ON A FACILITY, THE MORE HELPFUL IT IS.

UM, WE WILL HAVE SOME EYES THAT ARE LAID ON THIS FACILITY.

UM, ONE THING THAT DOES CONCERN ME IS WE DO HAVE, UH, A WALL ON TWO SIDES OF IT.

AND YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM VITRUVIAN WAY, WHICH IS OUR BUSY ROAD, EXCUSE ME, A WALL ON TWO SIDES OF WHAT, UM, OF THIS PARKING LOT.

OH, I SEE.

ON THE STREET.

AND SO THAT STARTS TO LIMIT THE VISIBILITY TO SOME DEGREE IN THE WORLD.

SO THE MORE OPEN AND VISIBLE IN AREA IS, AND THE MORE PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, INTERMITTENTLY PUTTING THEIR EYES ON IT, THAT THE MORE COMFORTABLE WE GET WITH THEM.

SO, SO THIS LOCATION COMPARED TO EITHER THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE, THE AAC CENTER, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS SLIDE, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AS WE CONSIDER THOSE TWO LOCATIONS.

SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS LIST BY MOVING TO THE VITRUVIAN LOCATION, WHICH OF THESE CONCERNS DO YOU HAVE? YOU'RE SPECULATING HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE MOVE TO THE VITRUVIAN LOCATIONS, WHICH OF THESE CONCERNS WOULD BECOME MORE ENHANCED, WOULD BE MORE OF A CHALLENGE IS, OR WOULD THEY, I, I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ON THIS LOCATION OF POTENTIAL VANDALISM OCCURRING.

IF YOU GO TO THE SITE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S SOME GRAFFITI THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE PARKING LOT.

SO THAT DOES SHOW US THAT THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR VANDALISM TO HAPPEN, OR FOR THE VITRUVIAN SITE.

THE, THE OTHER LISTS ARE, ARE PRETTY EQUAL.

WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE SAME AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE AT EITHER LOCATION.

UM, THE AESTHETICS ARE THE SAME AND EITHER LOCATION, UM, MATERIALS WILL DETERIORATE OR HIGHER MAINTENANCE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE WENT AND VISITED A LOT OF PRODUCTS AND CHOSE THE ONE THAT APPEARED TO US AND HAD A TRACK RECORD APPEAR TO HAVE A TRACK RECORD FOR BEING ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED AND HAVE LONGEVITY, UM, LOCATIONS BY THE PLAYGROUND MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE.

THIS ONE WOULD NOT BE LOCATED BY A PLAYGROUND.

THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE.

THE ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS.

CAN YOU LET ME, WE'VE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, LOCATION PROXIMITY.

SO THE LOCATION I'M GONNA TO CALL IT, NUMBER TWO, WHERE IT'S CLOSER TO THE OTHER COURTS, THAT'S 138 FEET FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PLAYGROUND IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH RESIDENTS.

AND THEY SPOKE SPECIFICALLY TO THE LOCALITY.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HELP THEM TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT WEATHER OR CHANGE THEIR MIND, OR HAVE A, AN IMPACT ON OTHER WHAT THEY WERE THINKING? THIS THAT'S A TOUGH ONE TO ANSWER BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE SPEAKING FOR PEOPLE THAT I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ABOUT THAT.

LOVE THAT ANSWER, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

COLLEAGUES.

I'M LOOKING FOR PERHAPS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS PAST OF THE RESIDENTS.

AND UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO JUST MAKE THAT DECISION HERE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, PERHAPS POSE THIS QUESTION, OR WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE THERE WHO ARE GOING TO BE HERE MAKING THAT DECISION TO DO THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

CONTINUE.

UM, ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR THE COURT IS A CONCERN.

UM, WE'VE ALLOCATED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DOLLARS CURRENTLY TO PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT.

UM, WE WOULD ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS IF WE LOCATED THE FITNESS COURT AT EITHER LOCATION, EITHER OTHER OF THE OTHER TWO LOCATIONS, UM, WILL NOT BE USED.

WELL, I THINK IT WILL BE USED WELL.

UM, THIS IS ME USING MY PARK AND RECREATION PROFESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

I THINK IT WILL BE USED WELL AT EITHER LOCATION.

I DO THINK THAT, UM, IT WILL BE EMBRACED AT THE VITRUVIAN LOCATION VERY WELL.

UM, I TOUCHED BASE WITH

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UDR.

UM, THEY HAVE A GOOD PULSE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE THAT THEY FELT LIKE IT WOULD GET.

UM, IF IT WAS LOCATED IN THIS AREA, UM, APPEALS TO A YOUNGER AGE GROUP, WHICH, WHICH IS NOT REPRESENTED IN THE AREA.

UM, WE DO HAVE A YOUNGER AGE GROUP THAT LIVES IN THE VITRUVIAN AREA.

UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE THAT AN OLDER AGE GROUP WOULD NOT USE THIS FACILITY BECAUSE I FALL IN THAT CATEGORY.

UM, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN EXAMPLES OF IT BEING USED BY SENIORS AND 50 PLUS GROUPS IN OTHER OTHER CITIES.

IF I, IF I MAY KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT AS WELL, AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO OUR MASTER PLANNING EFFORT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, WE'RE LOOKING OUT WHAT HAPPENS INTO THE FUTURE.

SO WHILE SOME PEOPLE MAY FEEL, HEY, THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPEAL TO MY DEMOGRAPHIC.

WE'RE NOT ONLY THINKING ABOUT ONE DEMOGRAPHIC WE'RE LOOKING BROADLY SO THAT IT WOULD APPEAL TO A SENIOR DEMOGRAPHIC OR EVEN A YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC.

IT'S, IT'S, UH, VERSATILE IN MEETING THE, THE, THE, THE DESIRES OF MULTIPLE DEMOGRAPHICS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY WE'RE FOCUSING ON.

WE'RE NOT JUST FOCUSING ON THE HERE AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, UH, HELPFUL TO THE COMMUNITY IN ENHANCING QUALITY OF LIFE INTO THE FUTURE AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S IT.

UM, AND HORTON POINT THAT I WAS COUNSEL TO REMEMBER IS THAT WE ARE, WE ARE TASKED WITH TAKING THE LONG VIEW, JUST OVERALL OVERREACHING.

WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS THAT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT THIS MINUTE, BUT RATHER ASSESSING THE SITUATION FROM ALL ANGLES AND TAKING THE LONG VIEW OF WHAT'S IN THE BEST AND HIGHEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS, MADISON AND THE LAND ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT ONE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TURN AROUND AT THE TIME WHEN WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT WHEREVER IT GOES, WHERE DO YOU PLAY? WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT STORED, UM, AT THE OUTDOOR POOL FOR THE ADDISON ATHLETIC CLUB, UM, WHICH OPENS UP AT THE END OF MAY.

SO, UM, THAT'S MY TIMELINE.

WE ORIGINALLY WERE TRYING TO GET A CONCRETE PAD BUILT AND EQUIPMENT PLACE.

UM, HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON LOCATING A PLACE FOR THE EQUIPMENT TO BE STORED IF THE DECISION NEEDED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

SO IF, IF THE COUNCIL SAID, WE'RE GOOD, MOVE FORWARD, AND YOU WOKE UP TOMORROW, HOW LONG FROM TOMORROW? I AM BRINGING A CONTRACT TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT AGENDA MEETING THAT HAS A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT INCLUDES THE CONCRETE PAD AND INCLUDES OTHER ELEMENTS TOO.

AND THAT'S AN ALTERNATE BID ITEM THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO AWARD.

BUT IF, IF WE WERE GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO INCLUDE THAT IN THAT CONTRACT.

SO WE COULD START CONSTRUCTION IMMEDIATELY.

SO I'LL TELL THEM, UM, I'M FOCUSED ON THE THREE BEING PART, BUT I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF ATTRIBUTING PARK RELATED QUESTIONS.

IF I COULD ASK THEM, HEY, JANET, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MUDROOM AND PARK SLOT? I MEAN, I LOVE THIS WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NEXT TO THIS PARKING.

THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT IDEA THAT TOM HAD.

UM, MY, MY QUESTION IS, DID WE CONSIDER JUST MOVING THIS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK? SURE.

I ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH UDR ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING INTO DEVELOPING ON THAT SIDE.

THE THING IS, IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE ACTUALLY OWNED, WHICH IS IN OUR PURVIEW.

IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO ALLOW FOR THAT 38 SQUARE FOOT PAD.

AND THERE'S A LITTLE MORE TOPOGRAPHY RIGHT THERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MANAGE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD UP A PATH THERE.

SO WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT SIDE.

WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT HAVE SHADE THROUGHOUT THE DAY IN THAT LOCATION.

UM, WHEN, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, ARE THOSE, THOSE TREES ON THE CREEK SIDE, THOSE ARE, GOSH, I'M TRYING TO THINK THOSE ARE PRETTY DEVELOPED TREES AND THEY NOT LIKE 30 FEET HIGHER.

SO IT JUST, UM, AND THEY, THEY APPEAR LIKE THEY ARE ON THE EAST EAST SIDE.

AND I'M JUST, I JUST LOOK AT THIS PICTURE.

IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE THE PICTURES FALL IN THE LIGHTING, BUT, UM, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THAT WOULDN'T GET A LOT OF SHADE IN THE MORNING.

I MEAN, IS THERE SOME TYPE OF SHADE SCENARIO THAT WHERE YOU HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH TO, TO HAVE IT BE A SHADED STRUCTURED?

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WE WOULD GET LIMITED SHAMED ON PART OF THE COURT AND YOU NEED TO HAVE SHADE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO PROMOTE USAGE OF THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT? IT GETS PRETTY HOT AND IS HARD TO USE IF IT'S BEEN SITTING OUT IN THE SUN FOR LONG PERIODS.

SO TO MAXIMIZE THE USE, WE WOULD PREFER THAT IT BE SHAPED.

LIKE, AGAIN, I GET, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WITH THAT IN MIND, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE LED LOCK OR ANY OF THE THREE LOCATIONS TO ME, BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT, BUT, UM, YEAH, MIRROR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I THINK THIS IS A WELL-TRAVELED AREA IN VITRUVIAN PARK PLACE.

UH, JANET, WHAT'S THE LIGHTING SITUATION AT NIGHT IN THIS AREA.

THERE'S AN EXISTING LIGHT POLE THAT HAS THREE LIGHTS THAT ARE ADJUSTABLE, THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.

UM, WE COULD AIM THOSE LIGHTS ONTO THE FITNESS SPORT.

IF WE DID BUILD A SHADE STRUCTURE, WE'D PROBABLY WANT TO PULL SOME LIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT TO, AND COULD YOU THERE'S POWER ACCESSIBLE SO WE COULD DO.

YEAH, I DO SEE THAT, THAT SOMETHING WITH LIGHTING THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN USE HIS WIFE, LAURIE, DEFINITELY THE VITRUVIAN OPTIONS FOR ME IS THE MOST LOGICAL.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT THE, AS AN ATHLETIC CENTER TEAM IS PROBABLY WAS PROBABLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.

I'M JUST GUESSING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE PROGRAMMING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE UNFORTUNATE PART IS THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY RESIDENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED ADVERSELY EITHER, EITHER REAL OR PERCEPTION, OR THEY DON'T WANT IT, AND I'M LISTENING TO THEM.

AND I THINK THAT, UM, THE VITRUVIAN AREA IS THE PERFECT FIT FOR THE CURRENT DEMOGRAPHIC AND POSSIBLY THE FUTURE DEMOGRAPHIC AS WELL.

UM, MY ONLY CONCERN AND I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT, UM, UH, VITRUVIAN FELT ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, UDR, AND SINCE THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL FEATURE FOR THAT AREA.

A REASON TO ATTRACT MORE RESIDENTS TO LIVE THERE OR STAY THERE.

MY, MY CONCERN IS JUST SAFETY.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY THING, THE VISIBILITY PART, IT'S JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE VISIBILITY THAT THE OTHERS DO, BUT OF THE THREE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I HEAVILY FAVOR THIS.

MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, IF WE REALLY CHOOSE THIS ONE AND WE CAN'T ASK YOU WHAT YOUR VIDEO CAMERA, PAUL, IF THIS IS THE LOCATION, UM, I, I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ATHLETIC CENTER, GQ, A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS HERE.

IF THIS WAS THE SELECTION SITE, WHICH WAY IS THAT ALL GOING TO FACE ON THIS? EXCUSE ME, THE WALL , WE WOULD FACE THE WALL ON THIS SIDE.

SO AS YOU, AS TRAIL USERS ARE COMING BY, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE PEOPLE USING THE FITNESS COURT.

AND THEN, UM, FROM THE APARTMENT STANDPOINT, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE THAT WOULD USE THEIR APARTMENTS, OR WITH LOOK OUT THE WINDOW ABOUT THESE BALCONIES WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

I THINK THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR THIS EQUIPMENT, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE CAN WALK, WALK INTO THE END OF NEGATIVE AT THAT FAR END OF THE TRAIL PROCESS.

AND TO HAVE THAT THERE IS KIND OF A BONUS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME.

PREVIOUS MEETING, I THINK IT WAS AN HOUR AND A HALF AND I DID A LOT OF SHIT NOW.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE THEM YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, UH, ALL ALONG THE, THIS LOCATION BATTERY.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CARIBBEAN PARK LOCATION.

WHAT ELSE? YES.

WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY PROBABLY DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE THIS LOCATION.

SO, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING FOR YOUR APPROVAL, BUT THERE IS AN OPTION.

IT IS, IT IS MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PART LOCATION.

PRESENT, DISCUSS IT AND CONSIDER ACTION.

ANYBODY SECOND, DO I HAVE SECOND MOTION BY MARLIN WILSON? SECOND BY CATHERINE WINTER, OR YOU FAVOR TO DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE THIS LOCATION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

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JENNA SAYS, I REALLY LIKED TO GET THIS DEALT WITH, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GO HOME,

[7. Hold a Public Hearing, Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Changing the Zoning for a 1.804-Acre Property Located at 4150 Beltway Drive, from Planned Development (PD) through Ordinance 083-039, to a new Planned Development (PD) District to Allow a Townhome Development Comprised of 33 Townhome Lots and Associated Open Space and Common Area Lots. Case 1846-Z/4150 Beltway Drive (Addison Reserve Townhomes). ]

I AUDITED GENUINE ROLLING VOLUME 1.804 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 41 50 BELLY DRIVE FUN PLANT EVOLVEMENT PD THROUGH AUDIENCES.

YOU'RE 83.

THERE ARE THREE NINE.

THE NEW PLAN EVOLVEMENT PAY THE DISTRICT TO ALLOW A TUNNEL DEVELOPMENT COMPRISE ALL THE 30, ACTUALLY 31 TAMABLE LAWS AND ASSOCIATED OPEN SPACE.

AND THE CASE NUMBER 1-846-415-ZERO BELLY DRIVE EDISON.

AND IT COULD EVEN BE MARRIED TO THE COUNCIL, KEN SCHMIDT OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN MEDICINE.

UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, WAS INITIALLY ZONED PD IN 1979 IN ORDER TO FACILITATE DECONSTRUCTION OF ITS FORMER USE SUPER EIGHT MOTEL, UH, IN 1983, UH, THAT TD ZONING WAS AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ADDITIONAL HOTEL BUILDINGS, WHICH NEVER DID OCCUR, UH, IN 1993, UH, THAT PROPERTY, UH, WAS SOLD, UH, BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.

AND, UH, OVER THE YEARS, UH, SINCE THAT TIME IT CHANGED ON YOUR SHIP MULTIPLE TIMES AND 2018 A PROPERTY WITH SIGNIFICANTLY DAMAGED BY FIRE, WHICH ALS ULTIMATELY RECORDED TO BE DEMOLISHED.

TODAY.

WE HAVE REQUESTS FROM COBALT HOMES TO REZONE TO A NEW PDS ZONING DISTRICT IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF 31 TOWN HOMES, A NEW PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AND COMMON AREA, LOTS ON THE 1.8 ACRE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, SO, UH, I THINK THE AERIAL IMAGERY OF THIS SITE THAT TELLS A, A GOOD BIT OF THE STORY OF, OF HOW THIS HAS EVOLVED AND HOW IT'S GOTTEN HERE, UH, IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS FOR 2013, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE SUPER EIGHT MOTEL.

UM, UH, EVEN AT THAT TIME NOW A LOT OF USE.

UM, BUT YOU DO SEE ALSO THE VACANT LOT TO THE SOUTH, WHICH WAS AT THAT TIME A, A LAW THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED, UH, LOOKING TO CURRENT CONDITIONS.

UH, YOU SEE, OBVIOUSLY THE HOTEL HAS GONE A LOT CONTINUES TO REMAIN UNDER UTILIZE AND THIS HEAVILY PAVED OVER.

AND THEN, UH, TO THE SOUTH, YOU ALSO HAVE AN EVOLUTION OF THAT PROPERTY WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING ADDED TO SUPPORT THE ADJACENT USES, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A 31, 3 STORY TOWN HOME UNITS ON FEE SIMPLE LOTS.

SO THOSE WOULD BE, UH, OWNERSHIP UNITS.

EACH UNIT WOULD FRONT ON A PUBLIC STREET OR OPEN SPACE AND WOULD HAVE GROUND FLOOR ACCESS THROUGH A PRIVATE PATIO AREA OR STOOP.

UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PLAN IS A PROMINENT OPEN SPACE FEATURE, UH, COMPRISED OF, UH, 57 FEET OF PUBLIC OPEN SPACE THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AS PUBLIC PARKLAND, UH, FOLLOWING THE IMPROVEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF A METTA.

THE EAST INCLUDE A 10 FOOT TRAIL, UH, NEW SHADE TREES AND ORNAMENTAL TREES.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, TYPICAL OPEN SPACE FURNISHINGS SUCH AS BENCHES AND TRASH RECEPTACLES.

UH, ANOTHER PROMINENT FEATURE OF THAT OPEN SPACE AREA IS THE SETBACK THAT ESTABLISHES, UH, FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS TOWN LIKE, UH, SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, IT PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET, UH, TO THE BUILDING FACE, UH, OF THE PROPOSED TOWNHOME UNITS.

THAT BASED FORMS THAT OPEN SPACE.

AND IT WOULD ALLOW WHAT THE GROUND FLOOR, A 10 FOOT PATIO AREA THAT DELINEATES THE PRIVATE AREA OF THE TOWN HOME, UH, UNITS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE THAT IS ADJACENT TO IT.

SO, UM, WHEN YOU CONSIDER, UH, THE, UH, SEPARATION BETWEEN, UH, EXISTING HOMES AND TOWN LAKE AND THESE PROPOSED NEW TOWN HOMES, UH, FROM BUILDING FACE TO BUILDING FACE, THAT WOULD BE 118 FEET INCLUSIVE OF THIS OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING, UH, BUT ALSO INCLUSIVE OF THE, UH, TOWN LAKE, UH, LANDSCAPE AND THE TOWN LAKE SCREENING WALL, WHICH WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE AND THEN NOT BE IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THIS, UH, PROJECT ACCOMMODATES PUBLIC ACCESS, UH, FROM BELTWAY DRIVE, UH, THROUGH RATES, UH, WESTERN DRIVEWAY ACCESS POINT TO VIA ITS PRIVATE STREETS, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDES FOR 18 VISITOR PARKING SPACES TO SUPPORT, UH, THE, UH, EARLY ONE TIME ON UNITS.

UM, SO WITH THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A NETWORK, UH, THAT, UH,

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PRIMARILY CONSISTS OF PRIVATE STREETS, BUT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE A FEATURED PUBLIC STREET, UH, ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE SITE THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AND CONSTRUCTED AS A PUBLIC STREET, UH, AT A FUTURE DATE CONSTRUCTION WOULD OCCUR WITH THE PROJECT.

UM, THE REASONING FOR THOSE PRIVATE STREETS, UH, IS REALLY AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE, UH, THIS, UH, REALLY BEING A PIONEERING PROJECT IN THIS AREA OF THIS IS, UH, AREA IS SUBJECT TO THE PLANT SAM'S CLUB STUDY.

THIS IS AN AREA OF NOTED REINVESTMENT FOR THE TALENT.

THIS WILL BE THE FIRST MAJOR PROJECT THAT WOULD KICK OFF EVERY INVESTMENT, UM, WITH THE UNCERTAIN STATUS OF FUTURE RE-INVESTMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO INSTALL TEMPORARY FENCING ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE EASTERN EDGE.

AND THEN THERE WOULD BE TEMPORARY, UH, ACCESS GATES, UH, PROVIDING, UH, ACCESS, UH, THROUGH THE SITE TO THE EAST, UM, THROUGH WITH XX GATES.

UH, THE APPLICANT AND TOWN STAFF HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT GIVEN THAT THIS AREA MAY EVOLVE IN THE FUTURE AND YOU MAY SEE DIFFERENT USES AND THE DIFFERENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESERVE THE RIGHT FOR THESE, UH, DAVID STREETS, UH, TO BE CONVERTED TO PUBLIC OPEN STREETS, TO PROVIDE ENHANCED CONNECTIVITY THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY WANT AND SUPPORT IN A WALKABLE CONNECTED AREA.

UH, IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR THE STREETS TO, UH, REALLY SERVE AS SHARING INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, PROVIDING FOR A MORE EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, AND THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THROUGH THE FUTURE REMOVAL OF THOSE TEMPORARY, UH, ACCESS FEATURES, UH, WITH PARKING, THE PROJECT, UH, IS PROPOSING, UH, TO ENCLOSE GARAGE PARKING SPACES FOR EVERY UNIT.

SO THAT AMOUNTS TO 62 GARAGE SPACES AND THEN 18 ON STREET, OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, 18 SURFACE PARKING SPACES, UH, WITHIN THE SITE.

UH, ONE OF THOSE SPACES WOULD BE RESTRICTED, UH, DURING DAY AND EVENING HOURS TO ALLOW FOR A DELIVERY VEHICLE.

YOU, SO THAT'S PRIMARILY TO ADDRESS CONCERNS RELATED TO POTENTIAL, UH, DELIVERY VEHICLE USE AT THE BELTWAY DRIVE FRONT ENTRANCE, RESERVING THAT SPACE AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE THAT IS INTENDED TO MITIGATE THAT CONCERN, UM, WITH THE OPEN SPACE, UH, PROVIDED, AS I NOTED A 57 FOOT WIDE GREENBELT, THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE ON A 10 FOOT PUBLIC TRAIL WOULD BE PROVIDED, UH, WITHIN THAT SPACE, THAT LAND WOULD BE DEDICATED AND IMPROVED, UH, PRIOR TO THE TOWN, UH, TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THAT.

AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO, UH, OCCURRED PRIOR TO A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING, UH, ANTERIOR TO THE SITE, AND YOU'LL SEE AN ADDITIONAL, UM, OPEN SPACE AREA THAT WOULD BE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, UH, ACCOMMODATED ADDITIONAL APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE.

UH, AND, UH, WITH THAT, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, ACCOMMODATES A 24% OPEN SPACE, A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT CONDITION, WHICH IS LARGELY, UH, SURFACE PARKING AND THE AREA WHERE THE HOTEL, UH, FORMERLY OCCUPIED, UH, THE MOST PROMINENT FEATURE AND REALLY A FEATURE THAT IS REALLY, UH, MARITZ PRESERVATION IS THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY AT THE BELTWAY DRIVE STREET EDGE.

UH, CURRENTLY THERE ARE SEVEN, UH, MATURE TREES, UH, AT THAT STREET EDGE.

AND THE APPLICANT, UH, IS, UH, HAS ORIENTED THEIR SITE TO MAXIMIZE PRESERVATION OF THOSE TREES.

ONE OF THOSE TREES WOULD BE REMOVED, UH, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, AND THAT'S REALLY DRIVEN BY, UH, THE TOWN'S VISION TO HAVE A GREENBELT AT THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE SITE.

SO THAT GREEN BELT REQUIRES THE EXISTING ACCESS DRIVE, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE CURRENTLY TO THE TOWN LAKE, UH, SCREENING WALL, THAT COMMON BOUNDARY IT'S SHIFTING EASTWARD TO ACCOMMODATE THAT LARGER OPEN SPACE AND PUBLIC TRAILS.

SO WHEN THAT OCCURS, THAT IS GOING TO RESULT IN ONE OF THE TREES ON THAT WAY DRIVE, BEING REMOVED, BUT DUE TO THE ORIENTATION OF THE SITE AND WHERE THOSE TREES ARE IN RELATION TO EXISTING, UH, IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THE BELTWAY SCREENING WALL PARKING AREA, UH, FOR THE MOTEL, UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO THOSE TREES, THOSE TREES COULD STILL BE PRESERVED AND WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THAT WORK.

UM, WITH EACH OF THE UNITS, UH, THERE ARE, UM, UH, PATIO AREAS AT THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, FACING, UH, BELTWAY DRIVE AND THEN ALSO FACING THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AT THE WESTERN EDGE AT BELTWAY DRIVES.

AND THOSE WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET IN DEPTH.

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AND THEN AT THE WESTERN EDGE OF A UNIT SPACE IN THE OPEN SPACE, UH, EIGHT TO 10 FEET, ENCLOSED COURTYARDS.

UM, ONE THING I NOTED EARLIER, BUT, UH, WHILE THERE IS A GOOD TREE CANOPY AT THE BELTWAY DRIVE STREET EDGE, THERE WAS VERY LIMITED TREE CANOPY, INTERNAL SITE IT'S LARGELY PAVEMENT.

SOME TREES, THE FEW TREES THAT ARE, ARE, UH, EXISTING IN TURN ON THE SITE WOULD BE IMPACTED BY DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE WOULD BE A FAR GREATER INCREASE IN TREE CANOPY, POST DEVELOPMENT DUE TO THE, UH, 39 NEW PLANTINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO THE PROPOSED UNITS ARE THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT WITH A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 42 FEET.

A TYPICAL FLOOR PLAN WOULD ACCOMMODATE, UH, THREE BEDROOMS AS WELL AS 2100 SQUARE FEET.

UH, AND EACH UNIT WOULD HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE, UH, THE FACADES FACING BELTWAY DRIVE, AS WELL AS THE OPEN SPACE PROVIDED AT THE WESTERN EDGE WOULD HAVE MORE VARIATION ARCHITECTURALLY.

AND THEN THE PRIMARILY PRIMARY FACADE MATERIALS ARE, UH, BRICK.

WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BLACK, LIKE WHAT COLOR IN THE BUILDING ELEVATION, AND THEN BOARD AND BATTEN HARDY SIDING, WHICH YOU SEE AT THE THIRD LEVEL IN THAT ELEVATION, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UH, STAFF, UH, THE APPLICANTS AND THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, UH, OR TO, UH, DEVELOP, UH, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, UH, REGULATING THIS PROPOSAL, UH, INCLUSIVE OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

UH, REALLY IT STARTS WITH THE, THE KEY THING WE DO WITH ZONING AND THAT'S REGULATING USE, UH, ELIMINATED TO PROPOSE TOWNHOMES AS WELL, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, AND ANY OTHER ACCESS OR USES THAT YOU TYPICALLY HAVE WITH THOSE TYPES OF PRIMARY USES, UH, ESTABLISHING SETBACKS, UH, REALLY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN, UH, HAVING THE BUILDING, UH, PUSHED UP TO THE STREET EDGE OR THE, UH, SMALLER FRONT SETBACKS, AND THEN VERY LIMITED SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS, UH, REALLY ONLY REQUIRING BUILDING SETBACK WHEN YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A STREET, UH, LIMITING THAT MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, THREE STORIES, MINIMUM LOT WITH A 20 FEET MINIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 1400 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN, UH, REQUIRING PARKING AT TWO PER UNIT AND THEN 0.5 PER VISITOR SPACES PER UNIT, UH, THEIR STANDARDS FOR ANY PERIMETER FENCING, UH, THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED WITH THE PROJECT.

AND YOU REVIEW THOSE IN MORE DETAIL AT THE SECOND STEP OF THE ZONING PROCESS, AND THEN ALSO, UH, ALLOWANCES FOR ENCROACHMENTS AND THE SETBACKS ARE PROMINENT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SUCH AS PATIOS AND BALCONIES REQUIRING A MINIMUM LANDSCAPE AREA OF 20%, WHICH IS EXCEEDED BY THIS PROJECT AND THEN, UH, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROVISION OF NEW TREE PLANTINGS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.

UM, SO ANYTIME WE'RE EVALUATING, UH, REZONING REQUESTS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, LOOK AT THE TOWN'S POLICIES THAT GOVERN, UH, LAND USE, UH, AND DEVELOPMENT, AND REALLY THE, THE FIRST AND MOST PROMINENT IS THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BUT ALSO WE OF COURSE, WANT TO LOOK AT, UH, ANY OTHER SPECIAL AREAS STUDIES THAT MAY INFLUENCE, UH, AND ADDRESS THE SITE.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, THINGS SUCH AS OUR HOUSING POLICY AND THEN, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND AMENITY PLANS SUCH AS OUR PARKS OPEN SPACE AND TRAIL MASTER PLANS.

AND THEN THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

WHAT I WOULD SHARE FOR EACH OF THOSE POLICIES IS, UH, THIS PROPOSAL DOES COMPLY WITH THE TOWN'S POLICIES, UH, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS DEVELOPED AND LAST UPDATED IN 2013.

UH, IT MAKES NOTE OF, UH, NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, UM, PARTICULARLY FOCUSING ON THIS FORMER HOTEL SITE.

AND IT MAKES NOTE THAT, UM, A, UH, TALENT HOME, UH, ZONING AND, UM, UH, MIXED USE ZONING CONSIDERING THE BROADER AREA WITH THOSE TOWN HOMES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

SO THIS PROPOSAL DOES COMPLY WITH THAT DIRECTION OF THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY.

UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF ITERATIONS OF THAT.

WE'RE IN OUR SECOND INTEGRATION CURRENTLY, UM, WITH, UH, THE CURRENT PROGRESS OF THE SAM'S CLUB ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

UH, WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO PRESENT POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REFLECT THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMITTEE TO THE COUNCIL.

IT'S MY HOPE THAT WE EITHER VISIT WITH THE COUNCIL, UH, IN LATE MARCH OR EARLY APRIL TO PRESENT THOSE CONCLUSIONS.

WE DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL UPCOMING MEETING WITH THE COMMITTEE, UH, NEXT MONDAY, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THE FINAL WORDSMITHING OF THAT DOCUMENT.

AND THEN THAT THOSE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE CAPTURED BY A FINAL REPORT THAT INCLUDES THAT POLICY DIRECTION, BUT ALSO A

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PROCESS BY WHICH HOW WE GOT TO THAT POLICY DIRECTION.

SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL, UM, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT THAT DOCUMENT IS GOING.

UH, AND, UH, I THINK MR. CHOFFY'S COMMENTS, UH, PROVIDE A CONTEXT TO THAT AS WELL, IS THAT THIS PROPOSED USE IN THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT DIRECTION, UH, ENVISIONED BY THE SAM'S CLUB COMMITTEE.

UH, THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, SO THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING BE CONSTRAINTS, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE COMPETING NEEDS AND COMPETING GOALS.

UH, WHAT'S PROPOSAL.

THIS PROJECT DOES NOT CHECK EVERY BLOCK WITH THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY, UH, BUT IT DOES MEET THE INTENT.

UM, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST POINT OF, UM, UH, ANALYSIS THAT, UH, REALLY APPLIED TO THIS PROJECT WAS THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL TRANSITIONS, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE PROJECT.

WHAT THE WIDTH OF THAT IS HOW IT'S AMENITIZED, WHAT USES ENGAGE THAT AREA AND HOW THEY ENGAGE THAT AREA, UH, WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION IN THIS CASE, BUT ALSO IN CONSIDERATION OF THE STUDY, UH, CURRENTLY WHERE THE COMMITTEE IS, IS, UH, THEY HAVE A POLICY GOAL OF HAVING THAT TRANSITION AREA BEING A HUNDRED FEET IN WIDTH THROUGHOUT THE STUDY AREA.

UH, THIS DOES NOT MEET THAT THE 57 TO 67 FEET.

HOWEVER, WITH THAT SAID, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS OF THE COMMITTEE, WE NOTED THAT THERE WILL BE, UH, SOME SITES WHERE THAT'S VERY EASY DUE TO THE DEPTH AND THE NATURE OF THE SITES.

WE HAVE SOME SITES IN THE STUDY AREA THAT ARE OVER 800 FEET IN DEPTH.

THIS ONE IS NOT THAT IT'S 380 FEET IN DEPTH.

SO IF YOU TOOK 100 FEET FROM THIS SITE, YOU WOULD IMMEDIATELY CAPTURE 25% OF THE LANE OF THE SITES THAT MAKES THE CONSIDERATION OF REDEVELOPMENT AND THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT.

NOT THAT WE NEED TO REGULATE TO DICTATE THAT, BUT IT IS A REALITY.

IT MAKES IT CHALLENGING TO INVEST IN THIS SITE, KNOWING THAT THAT WOULD BE A LOSS.

SO WITH THE 57 FEET OF OPEN SPACE AND 67 FEET OF SETBACK THAT IS PROPOSED, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP, I BELIEVE DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO MAXIMIZE THAT WHILE STILL HAVING AN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE PROJECT, UM, WITH OUR HOUSING POLICY, UH, HOUSING POLICY SPEAKS TO, UH, SEVERAL ISSUES.

ONE OF WHICH IS, IS, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF MORE OWNER OCCUPIED FEE SIMPLE HOMES THAT OBVIOUSLY CHECKS THIS BLOCK.

IT SPEAKS TO THE CONSIDERATION OF SPECIAL AREAS, STUDIES TO GUIDE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF AREAS.

THIS IS INFLUENCED BY THAT.

AND THEN, UM, ALSO IT SPEAKS TO, UH, UNIQUENESS IN SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT MAY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE HOUSING STUDY.

I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER THAT HITS THAT, BUT IT CERTAINLY, UH, FITS THE FIRST TWO CRITERIA, WHICH, UH, I WOULD SAY ALLOWS IT TO COMPLY WITH THAT POLICY.

AND THEN THE TRANSPORTATION PARK AND TRAIL MASTER PLANTS, UH, THIS COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THOSE MOST SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THE PROVISION OF THAT 10 FOOT PUBLIC TRAIL AT THE WESTERN EDGE, THIS WOULD BE A CATALYST PROJECT FOR THE PLAN AND ENVISIONED TRAIL THAT IS CLIENT FOR THE SAM'S CLUB AREA.

AND IT'S CAPTURED IN THAT TRAIL MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT.

ALSO, WHEN WE LOOKED AT REZONING, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER HOW THE IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT ARE BEING MITIGATED.

UH, THE BIG ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT IS THAT 100 FOOT RESIDENTIAL TRANSITIONS ZONE PROVIDING THAT SETBACK FROM THE TOWN LAKE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROVIDING THAT OPEN SPACE AMENITY IN THAT AREA IS, IS A BIG WIN FOR THIS AREA.

AND IT PROVIDES FOR A COMPATIBLE LAND USE IN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING ADJACENT TO OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.

UH, TRAFFIC IS CERTAINLY ALWAYS A TOPIC THAT COMES UP WHEN YOU CONSIDER A REZONING AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, UH, THERE WAS CONSIDERATION, UH, AS THERE IS WITH ANY PROJECT OF WHETHER A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

WE LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS USE ON THIS SITE, UH, WHICH WAS A MOTEL, UH, THE INTENSITY OF THAT MOTEL DEVELOPMENT.

AND BASED ON, UH, THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS MANUAL THAT IS USED TO, UM, EVALUATE TRIP GENERATION, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THIS 31 UNIT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WOULD ACTUALLY GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC THAN A PREVIOUS USE.

AND IT WOULD ALSO LIKE VERY LIKELY GENERATE A LOT LESS TRAFFIC THAN IF IT WERE TO DEVELOP, UM, UH, UH, AS A SAY, A RETAIL USE OR AN OFFICE USE SO, UH, A TIA WAS NOT REQUIRED.

ACCESS IS NOT CHANGING SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE SITE.

IT WILL STILL HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ON BELTWAY.

SO THERE WAS REALLY

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NOTHING THAT MERITED ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, BECAUSE IT WILL GENERATE LESS OF AN IMPACT THAN A PREVIOUS USE OR A PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED USE.

UM, AND ONE THING TO NOTE ON THAT AT THE END OF THIS CAME UP A LOT IN THE DISCUSSION WITH P AND Z AND THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WE HAD PRIOR TO P AND Z IS, UM, HOW THE NATURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD IMPACT, UH, AC SUCH AS PARKING ON BELTWAY DRIVE.

SO FIRST I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL TO PARK ON BELTWAY DRIVE AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE STAFF, UH, CAN ENFORCE THAT.

UM, WE DID ALSO, UH, IN THE FURTHER CONSIDERATION, THIS PROJECT ADVISE THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL VISITOR PARKING AND THEN PROVIDE THAT PARKING SPACE FOR DELIVERY VEHICLES TO MITIGATE, UH, THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

UM, ONE THING THAT, UH, ALSO CAME UP, UH, IN THE REVIEW, THIS PROJECT AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND P AND Z DISCUSSION IS THAT THERE IS A SITE ENCUMBRANCE ON THIS SITE.

UH, THIS ULTIMATELY IS A PRIVATE AGREEMENT, UH, BETWEEN, UM, WHOEVER OWNS THIS PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE AND THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH AND EAST.

UH, IT WAS A PRIVATE EASEMENT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC ACCESS AS WELL AS UTILITIES, UH, BASICALLY AROUND THE, UH, EASTERN, SOUTHERN AND WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE SITES.

THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT THE TOWN IS NOT PARTY TO.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THOSE TWO PARTIES ULTIMATELY NEED TO SORT OUT, UM, BUT TO PROTECT THE TOWN, UH, WE, UH, ASKED PNC THAT PLAYS AND CONDITION, UH, OF THEIR APPROVAL, UH, TO REQUIRE THAT THE, UH, UH, APPLICANT, UH, RECEIVE RELEASE OF THAT EASEMENT, UH, PRIOR TO COMMENCING, UH, WITH CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT, THAT AGREEMENT DOES HAVE A PROVISION BY WHICH THEY CAN OBTAIN RELEASE THAT EASEMENT BY PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE ACCESS.

UH, ONCE THIS AREA IS REPLANTED.

SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED, BUT IT'S NOT THE TOWN'S ISSUE TO SOLVE.

UM, SO ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT AND REALLY SPEAKS TO THE IMPORTANCE, NOT ONLY TO THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY AND ITS CURRENT STATUS, BUT ALSO, UH, THE REALITY OF REDEVELOPMENTS NEXT TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND EXISTING BUSINESSES.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE ROBUST COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO ONE, ENSURE FOLKS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INFORMED ABOUT PROJECTS BEFORE IT GETS TO P AND Z.

AND IT GETS TO COUNCIL IN THIS VERY FORMAL ENVIRONMENT, BUT ALSO TO GIVE, UH, UH, IMPACTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT AND STAFF TO HELP THEM IMPROVE THEIR PROJECT.

UH, SO ON FEBRUARY 1ST, UH, WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE THAT THE APPLICANT AGREED TO HOST A PUBLIC MEETING, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN THIS BUILDING, UH, INVITED ADJACENT HOS THAT WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT TO ATTEND.

AND WE, UH, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, UH, TO THE APPLICANT'S CREDIT, THEY REALLY MADE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THEIR PLAN BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK.

THOSE CHANGES INCLUDE ELIMINATION OF T BOTS, WHICH IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATION, UH, INCREASING THE OPEN SPACE WITH, AND BUILDING SETBACK BY 17 ADDITIONAL FEET, ADDING FOUR ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES FOR VISITORS, UH, RESTRICTING THAT, UH, UH, UH, SINGLE PARKING SPACE FOR DELIVERIES, UH, NAMING OF THE PRIVATE STREETS.

SO NO UNITS, OUR ADDRESS OFF OF BELTWAY, UH, INCREASINGLY USE OF MESA MURRAY ON BUILDING FACADES, UM, MODIFICATION OF THE PROPOSED FENCING MATERIALS.

AND THEN, UH, THEY IDENTIFIED THE PROPOSED, UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION AS WELL AS THE FUTURE PUBLIC STREET DEDICATION.

UM, SO, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT, UH, TOWN STAFF, UH, NOTIFIED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH COUNTY AND STATE REQUIREMENTS, UH, 47 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT RECEIVED NOTICE.

WE DID RECEIVE ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT.

AND ONE LETTER PROPOSITION THAT LETTER OF OPPOSITION IS, UH, CRITICAL TO THIS, UH, CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

AND THAT IT CAME FROM INC UH, THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT COMPRISES THE ENTIRE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.

UM, BECAUSE THAT REPRESENTS OVER 20% OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE, A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST.

SO THAT REQUIRES SIX CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST.

SO EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT, I KNOW WHERE FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD

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WITH APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD INTO DEVELOPMENT.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT FORMAL RESPONSE TO THE NOTICE, WE DID RECEIVE EIGHT LETTERS OF SUPPORT LARGELY FROM RESIDENTS WITHIN THE TOWN LAKE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, UM, ALL RELATED TO, UH, THE, UH, OWNERSHIP, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND EAST.

AND THEN, UH, THREE NEUTRAL LETTERS THAT SHARED CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, ISSUES SUCH AS THE BELTWAY FRONTAGE TREE PRESERVATION AND THE WIDTH OF THE, UM, UH, WESTERN LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

SO WITH THAT STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.

UH, REDEVELOPMENT IS, UH, A VERY CHALLENGING PROPOSITION, PARTICULARLY, UH, AND A SITE THIS SMALL BORDERED, UM, BY RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE WEST AND NORTH AND COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH AND EAST.

UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, DID A REALLY THOROUGH JOB OF ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY, WORKING WITH STAFF.

THIS DIDN'T JUST START THREE MONTHS AGO.

THE APPLICANT STARTED ENGAGING WITH STAFF BEFORE I BECAME AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN, WHICH IS NOW OVER A YEAR AGO.

SO HE'S BEEN VERY PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY TO MAKE PROGRESS, AND HE'S ACTUALLY ATTENDED SOME OF THOSE, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, SO HAS GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO ENSURE THAT THIS PROJECT MEETS TOWN POLICY AND STAFF BELIEVES VERY STRONGLY IN ITS TOWN POLICY.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, THE APPLICANT, JOSH NICHOLS, WITH COLDWELL HOMIES AND SIRI AS WELL TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL.

KEVIN, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UM, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FENCING, UM, PRIVATE STREETS AND HOW THAT MIGHT EVOLVE? SURE.

UM, SO IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, WE PUT IN A PROVISION AND THE APPLICANT WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THINK OF EVOLUTION IS LIKE VICKY TURN THERE.

THIS IS AN AREA THAT, UH, WILL LIKELY CONTINUE TO EVOLVE.

THE MIDWAY ROAD PROJECT WILL CERTAINLY IMPACT THAT.

AND THEN AS WELL AS THE TOWNS, UH, POLICIES THAT ARE IN DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY.

SO WITH THAT ORDINANCE, UM, THE, UH, THERE'S PROVISIONS FOR AN AGREEMENT BY WHICH, UH, AT ANY TIME, UH, THE TOWN COULD EXERCISE THE OPTION, UH, TO REQUIRE THOSE, UH, UH, TEMPORARY FENCING, AS WELL AS THE TEMPORARY ACCESS GATES TO BE REMOVED.

ADDITIONALLY, UH, THERE IS A SUNSET PROVISION WITH THAT.

SO SAY, UH, THE TOWN DOES NOT ACT, UH, TO DO THAT.

MAYBE NOTHING CHANGES IN THE AREA THAT WOULD WARRANT A MORE CONNECTED WALKABLE, UH, PATTERN.

UH, THERE IS A 10 YEAR SUNSET PROVISION WHERE THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY OCCUR UNLESS THERE WAS ADDITIONAL ACTION BY CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, OKAY, MAYBE WE SHOULD DELAY THIS FIVE YEARS.

UM, SO, UH, THAT ALLOWS THE TOWN, UH, IF SAY THERE'S REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SOUTH OR THE EAST, AND IT'S COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSED USE, UH, TO ALLOW THOSE THAT FENCING AND THOSE ACCESS GATES TO BE REMOVED, TO ALLOW FOR BETTER CONNECTIVITY IN THAT AREA.

AND ALSO SHARING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST POINT OF IDENTIFIED SHARING REALLY OCCURS ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY.

YOU HAVE A PRIVATE STREET, WHICH IS REALLY SERVING AS AN ALLEY THAT IS CURRENTLY WITH THIS PROJECT SINGLE LOADED.

SO IT HAS, UH, HOMES THAT ARE LOADED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT DRIVE, BUT SAY YOU HAD A COMPATIBLE LAND USE, UH, DEVELOPED IN THE SOUTH OF THOSE PROPERTY.

THEY COULD THEORETICALLY USE, UH, THAT ALLEY, THAT PRIVATE STREET AS WELL FOR ACCESS.

SO THAT'S A BENEFIT, UH, TO THE TOWN IN BETTER CONNECTIVITY AND MORE EFFICIENT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING THE NEW STREETS NEXT TO THE STREETS, BUT ALSO THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BENEFIT FROM THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND, AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE PRIVATE STREETS, ARE THEY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILT TO TOWN SPECIFICATIONS? YES, THEY WILL.

AND I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT IS THE INTENT WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSED AGREEMENT FOR THESE STREETS TO CONVERT FROM PRIVATE TO PUBLIC.

SO THAT VERY WELL COULD BE AN OUTCOME.

AND, UM, ONE THING, UH, I, I DO WANT THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT IS DEFINITE FOR ONE SEGMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE SITE THAT THE EASTERN EDGE, THE NORTH SOUTH, UH, ACCESS POINT THAT CURRENTLY, UH, SERVES AS A, UH, A DIVISION BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE ADJACENT RETAIL PROPERTY TO THE EAST, UH, UPON THE REMOVAL OF THOSE ACCESS GATES IN THAT TEMPORARY FENCING, UH, THERE WOULD ALSO BE A DEDICATION OF RIGHT AWAY, SO THAT FORMERLY BECOMES

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A PUBLIC STREET.

IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS A PUBLIC STREET, UH, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE INITIALLY DEDICATED THAT IT'S PUBLIC STREET ONCE THAT FENCING AND THOSE GATES WENT AWAY.

THAT IS WHEN IT WOULD BE DEDICATED IN AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

AND IT BECAME A PUBLIC STREET.

AND AT THAT POINT, THERE WOULD BE NO MORE PRIVATE STREETS THAT RECORD.

YOU COULD STILL HAVE PRIVATE STREETS INTERNAL TO THE SITE, BUT, UM, AND THIS IS CAPTURED IN THAT AGREEMENT, AND THIS WOULD BE STATURE RECOMMENDATION.

IF YOU DO HAVE, UH, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT TAKING ACCESS THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND TAKING ACCESS OFF THOSE PRIVATE STREETS, THOSE SHOULD BE CONVERTED TO PUBLIC STREETS.

CAUSE THEN THEY BECOME SHARED STREETS.

IT'S NOT JUST THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT BENEFITING FROM IT.

SO LOOK TO ME, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A LITTLE SIMILAR TO STANFORD COURT OVER THE LAST WEEK.

UH, THEY HAVE 29 UNITS IS ABOUT THE SAME STUFF, SIMILAR SIZE.

AND THEN, UM, I BELIEVE HE SAID THE STREETS COME OR GONE.

SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE SIMILAR TO THAT THROUGH TO ENTRANCE LIMIT.

THEY'VE GOTTEN YOUR BUTTON QUESTION.

UH, KIM, ON THIS, ON, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE MATERIALS ACCESSIBLE FOR THE FENCING FROM THE ORIGINAL MOSUL.

AND CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND WHAT'S PROPOSED? YEAH, SO HE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED ALL CEDAR FENCING.

UH, AND SO, UM, WE ASKED HIM TO MOVE TO ORDER MOUNT SENSEI.

UH, WE'VE GIVEN HIM THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE ORDINANCE WHEN HE HAS A CHANCE TO, UH, IF THIS GETS APPROVED.

AND IT GOES TO THE SECOND STAGE OF, UH, ZONING AND ULTIMATELY CIVIL SITE DESIGN, UH, TO PRESENT, UH, UH, HIS FINAL DESIRED FENCING DESIGN AND OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

UH, BUT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF WAYS YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DEFINE AT THIS POINT.

CURRENTLY THE STANDARDS ARE ORNAMENTAL FENCING.

IF HE WANTS TO PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT HAS TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU.

AND HE HAS TO PRESENT DETAIL DESIGNS FOR THAT KIND OF SPEAK TO WHAT OR DIFFERENT WHAT SOME EXAMPLES, MORE ABOUT OFFENSIVE.

SO LIKE A ROD IRON TYPE OF FENCING.

SO YOU COULD BEAR WELL, IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION? THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, JEN.

THAT'S A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE.

APPRECIATE IT.

I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE ALONG THE BELTLINE.

I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE TRAINEES WILL ASK YOU ABOUT THE SIDEWALK AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE EXISTING WALL.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TREES FIRST UP, PERHAPS IT'S A SIDEWALK, UH, TOGETHER, THOSE TREES THAT ARE THE TREES THAT ARE SHOWING THERE RIGHT NOW, IS THIS AN ACCURATE LOCATION OF THE TREES THAT ARE TO BE, TO REMAIN? UH, I BELIEVE THAT, AND THIS MAY BE, WE NEED TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO APPLICANT.

SO ONE OF THE TREES IS MISSING BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE SEVEN OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND THE, AND THE SEVENTH ONE IS WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S WHERE I WOULD'VE BEEN.

SO, UH, NOW AS FAR AS THE STREETS, OF COURSE, WERE THERE'S CHAT WHERE THERE WERE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE RECEIVING, ANY OBJECTIONS WERE THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOSE THE TREATS.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IS LOSING ONE OF THESE TREES AT THE SEVEN.

THAT'S GOOD.

BECAUSE, UH, THERE WAS, UH, THERE WAS SOME CHATTER ABOUT LOSING MORE THAN, MORE THAN ONE, MAYBE TWO OR THREE.

SO NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE TREES THAT ARE REMAINING, THAT SIDEWALK THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED HERE.

I THINK IT'S A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.

SO THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, UH, IS REPLACING AND IT'S PROBABLY IN A DIFFERENT PLACE.

THERE'S ANOTHER STUFF.

THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THERE RIGHT NOW.

BELIEVE THAT SIDEWALK CAN BE INSTALLED WITHOUT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THOSE TREES.

SO CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE CHALLENGE THAT WE MAY HAVE WITH THAT SIDEWALK BEING AS CLOSE AS IT IS TO THOSE TREES? IS THERE, UM, WE HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH THAT OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, UH, HAVE AN AGREEMENT ABOUT WHAT WE FIND ONCE THOSE, ONCE THOSE, UH, THAT AREA IS PARTIALLY EXCAVATED? CAN YOU TALK TO THEM ABOUT? SURE.

UH, SO BASED ON THE CURRENT CONDITION, UM, BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT

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AND THE REASON FOR THAT, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE IT WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN BELTWAY AT THAT LOCATION, THOSE TREES ARE, ARE IN PRETTY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THAT WALL.

AND THEN THE, THE PARKING AREA, UH, THE PAVEMENTS FOR PARKING THAT, UH, THAT WALL SCREENS.

SO, UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, THE TREES, UH, BASICALLY, UH, SIT UNDER THAT WALL.

UM, IT'S SET BACK A BIT, IT'S CLOSE TO THE STREET, BUT THE ROOTS ESSENTIALLY ARE UNDER THAT WALL.

SO IT IS OUR CURRENT THOUGHTS THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THOSE TREES.

THAT BEING SAID, UM, WE DON'T, WE WANT IT TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT.

SO, UH, IF, UH, WHEN THEY BEGIN SITE WORK OR IF THEY DO ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING AND THERE'S CONCERN, ONE THING YOU COULD POTENTIALLY DO IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, IS, IS, UH, A PLACE THAT CONDITION TO ALLOW THAT SIDEWALK DESIGNED TO BE FLEXIBLE, TO MAXIMIZE AND ENSURE AND PROMOTE TREE PRESERVATION.

WE DO NOT THINK THOSE TREES WILL BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT, UM, SAY GOING WITH A FOUR-FOOT SIDEWALK INSTEAD OF A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK WOULD ABSOLUTELY A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT ISSUE, UM, DEFINITIVELY THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO GIVE STAFF THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO A PUBLIC COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES.

THE APPLICANT DOES.

IT'S A GREAT AMENITY, UH, FOR HIS, UH, SITE IT'S GREAT CURB APPEAL, IT'S INSTANT.

IT PROVIDES CHARACTER.

UH, SO THERE'S NO DESIRE ON EITHER END TO IMPACT THOSE TREES.

SO, ONE LAST QUESTION ON THIS NORTH PORTION, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, HOW CAN WE BE ASSURED THAT WE DON'T GET THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM HERE, WHERE THERE'S A WALL BEING TAKEN DOWN PRETTY MUCH EARLY BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION MOVES FORWARD? HOW ARE YOU PREPARED TO APPROACH THAT OR KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THIS LOCATION? THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WALL NOT COME DOWN UNTIL IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

UH, ULTIMATELY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE DEVELOPER PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET? IT'S A COMMUNICATION ISSUE.

UM, THAT IS A, UH, DEVELOPER THAT'S, THEIR, THEIR HOMEBASE IS HOUSTON.

THEY HAVE A DALLAS TEAM, BUT, UH, COMMUNICATION THAT HOUSTON, UH, DID NOT ALWAYS MAKE IT UP TO PEOPLE IN DALLAS.

AND THEY ALSO HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER HERE IN DALLAS.

THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, BUT, UM, WE HAVE TO DO MORE WORK ON OUR END TO, TO COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH THE FOLKS IN THE FIELD.

I THINK WE ARE FORTUNATE WITH THIS APPLICANT IN THAT THEY DALLAS BASED.

UH, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THEM.

IT'S NOT ONE OF MANY LARGE PROJECTS.

THEY HAVE LIKE WHAT'S OCCURRING ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THEIR LARGER PROJECTS.

IF NOT THE LARGEST, UH, THEY WILL BE VERY PLUGGED IN TO THE SITES AND STAFF.

UH, WE'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO ENSURE THAT THAT DOES NOT OCCUR.

SO THIS NEXT ONE PUT LIKE TO PREFACE THAT BEFORE, BEFORE I ASK IT NOW ASKED YOU TO RESPOND TO IT.

I WANT TO THANK, I WANT TO THANK THE P AND Z FOR THEIR, UH, FOR THEIR CONSIDERED DISCUSSION APPROACH TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

I KNOW THEY HAD A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT.

UH, THEY DID VERY WELL, UH, OTHER CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION.

UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GREAT JOB, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE, WHO HAVE SENT NUMEROUS LETTERS, EMAILS, UH, GIVING US SOME BACKGROUND AND UNDERSTANDING AND THEIR OPINION.

UH, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT AND ENJOY THAT WE GET THAT WE GET THEIR RESPONSES LIKE WE DO.

SO THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT.

IT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS POSED TO YOU BEFOREHAND ABOUT THE AGENDA.

UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD MADE A COMMENT, UH, DURING THE CONVERSATION AND IT WAS ABOUT THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO, UH, DISCUSS THAT, OR ACTUALLY GIVE US A LITTLE BIT UNDERSTANDING, OR JUST, JUST TELL US WHAT IT IS THAT YOU, THAT YOU RESPONDED TO ON OUR QUESTIONS, FOR SURE.

YEAR, UM, WITH, UH, BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THE P AND Z MEETING THE APPLICANT HABIT, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH OUR RESIDENTS, UH, THE VALUE OF THEIR ANTICIPATED TOWNHOMES.

SO THERE CURRENTLY ARE NOT ANY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE.

SO THE ONLY TAXABLE VALUE IS GENERATED BY THE LAND.

UH, THE CURRENT MARKET VALUE PER, UH, THAT'LL CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS, UH, $942,000.

SO APPLYING, UH, THE TOWN'S TAX RATE, UH, TO THAT VALUE, UM, THE LAND IS ANTICIPATED TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $6,000 IN AD VALOREM TAXES FOR THIS

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AND, UH, YOU COMMUNICATED THAT TIME, A RANGE OF $550,000 TO $600,000 PER UNIT.

SO CONSERVATIVELY LOOKING AT THAT WITH 31 UNITS AT $550,000, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 17 MILLION, UH, IN LAND AND APPROVEMENT VALUE.

SO APPLYING OUR TAX RATE FOR THAT, THAT WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $105,000 IN AD VALOREM TAXES.

NOW, GRANTED THAT'S BEFORE ANY EXEMPTIONS, THAT'S JUST HOMESTEAD OVER 65 AND, UH, ANY OTHER APPLICABLE EXEMPTIONS, BUT THAT'S $105,000 VERSUS 600, $6,000.

SO THAT IS, UH, A MEANINGFUL, UH, IMPACT CERTAINLY FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO FROM S 6,800, EVERY SEASON, 5,800 A YEAR UP TO 105 GAY, A HUNDRED, 5,000 A YEAR GENERATION DIFFERENCE, AND THAT, AND THAT'S JUST TOWN TAX.

AND SO THAT ALSO ISD THE COUNTY, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT THAT, THAT APPLIES AS WELL.

UH, THOSE NUMBERS ARE HARD TO, UH, TO, UH, UH, LOOK AT AND SAY DISMISS THEM, RIGHT.

THAT WE COULD GET GENERALLY, UH, I KNOW AIR, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT AND GOT THE SIDEWALKS TO ASK ABOUT THE TAX PROPERTY VALUE.

IS THERE A, IS THERE ANOTHER PRODUCT OR PERHAPS THAT YOU WOULD APPROACH THAT I'M GOING TO GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT MIGHT GO IN THIS SPOT THAT WOULD GENERATE THIS GROUP POTENTIALLY GENERATE THIS TYPE OF VALUE OR THAT ONE? I MEAN, CERTAINLY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT KID, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE ONLY WAY FROM INTEREST, UH, I'VE RECEIVED ON THIS PROPERTY, IN MY DURATION WITH THE TOWN, WHICH IS ONCE AGAIN, ONLY 13 MONTHS HAS BEEN, UH, MS. TOWNHOME PROPOSAL AND AT A DIFFERENT TIME OF PROPOSAL.

SO, UM, I THINK GIVEN WHERE IT IS, IT'S SET BACK FROM MIDWAY, UH, IT ALL ALREADY HAS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON MIDWAY ROAD WITH, UH, SOME OF WHICH IS DOING QUITE WELL, BUT, UM, WE, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS IN THAT CORRIDOR WHERE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS STRUGGLING.

THE CROWN PLAZA IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

SO, UM, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A STRONG COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT MARKET FOR THIS PROPERTY AT THIS TIME.

UH, SO GIVEN THAT THE, THIS CERTAINLY PRESENTS A, UH, UH, SIGNIFICANT VALUE, OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO, CAN YOU HELP ME? UM, AND IT FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, KUDOS TO THE DEVELOPER ON THE TIME INVESTED IN WORKING WITH THE TOWN AND TRYING TO GET THIS, THIS APPROVED.

MY CONCERN IS IT FEELS SO CRAMPED AND IT FEELS SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THERE'S THERE'S TOWNHOMES AND ASS AND CIRCLE, AND I LOOK AT THE WAY THEIR PARKING IS STRUCTURED.

UM, I FORGET WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE AIRPORT PARKWAY AND SPECTRUM IS, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S AN UNDERGROUND TECH GARAGE PARKING GARAGE ON DISTRICT DAY AND ALL THOSE AROUND THERE, THEY HAVE GARAGES AND ON STREET PARKING, THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE I'M JUST SO CRAMPED AND THAT THERE'S NOT, IF I'M GOING TO INVEST $600,000 IN BUYING A TOWN HALL, AND THERE'S NO PARKING FOR MY COUSIN TO COME PARK OR MY, WHOEVER I, I'M NOT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, THE PARKING IS A LITTLE BIT CRAMPED AND THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IS JUST, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S CRAMPED.

AND I THINK ABOUT THE EXAMPLE THAT MAYOR JUST GAVE OFF OF WHAT'S THE STREET AND COMING OUT OF THE OAKS NORTH THERE AT CELESTIAL, UH, THOSE, THOSE TOWNHOMES, I THINK THAT EXAMPLE IS THERE VERY NEATLY, TIGHTLY COMPACT AND THERE, UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY DEAL WITH, WITH PARKING, BUT THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE STREET.

SO I, I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE GOING TO BE PARKING ALLOWED NOT ONLY TO DRIVE? NO, IT'S CURRENTLY ILLEGAL TO PARK ON BELTWAY DRIVE, AND I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT CHANGE IN FUTURE.

UH, SO, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT, I THINK ADDISON CIRCLE IS OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST COLUMN WE ALWAYS USE IN TOWN FOR,

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FOR REALLY ANY PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

AND THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT MEANS IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF DEVELOPMENT, NOT ONLY FOR ADDISON, BUT REGIONALLY THROUGHOUT THE NATION.

THAT BEING SAID AS A CIRCLE, THE CONTEXT OF THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM REALLY MOST OF WHAT WE'LL SEE MOVING FORWARD.

AND THAT ADDISON DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LAND FOR MAINTENANCE.

AND MOST OF WHAT WE'LL SEE IS REDEVELOPMENT OF SMALL PARCELS, LIKE THIS ASSEMBLY OF LAND, THAT RESULTS IN LARGER REDEVELOPMENT REUSE, IT WILL BE A LOT MORE COMPLICATED AND IT GOES BACK TO, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE COMPETING GOALS.

IT'S GREAT TO HAVE AWESOME PARKING.

IT'S GREAT TO BE SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT, UM, WITH REDEVELOPMENT THAT WILL ULTIMATELY, IF YOU DON'T BALANCE THAT IT WILL IMPACT THE REDEVELOPMENT VIABILITY OF THESE PARCELS.

SO I THINK WHILE, UM, THIS CAN BE PERCEIVED AS CRAMPED, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT FOR EVERYONE, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTRACTED TO THIS, UH, WILL BE ATTRACTED TO IT FOR A REASON.

AND IF THEY'RE GOING HERE FOR A LOT OF PARKING SPACES, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT ATTRACTS US THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE.

IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO'S COMFORTABLE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AND WHO KNOWS THAT THEY WON'T NEED, UH, FOUR VEHICLES PARKED AT THEIR PROPERTY ALL THE TIME.

SO I THINK THE MARKET KIND OF SORTS THAT OUT, BUT IT REALLY REDEVELOPMENT IS JUST SO MUCH MORE CHALLENGING THAN WHAT WE SAW WITH ADDISON CIRCLE AND CONTINUE TO BE THAT BAD.

HMM.

ANY LITTLE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS I WANT TO SHARE.

UM, I AM REALLY EXTREMELY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, INTEREST FROM MULTIPLE TOWNHOME DEVELOPERS.

UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE FOR COBALT TODAY, BUT THE FACT THAT THAT COBALT IS HERE TODAY, WE'VE GOT ONE OTHER THING THAT IS APPROACHED TO TOWN WITH, UH, POSSIBLY A PRETTY SERIOUS, UH, INTERESTS THAT, UM, PENN HEARD THAT LIKE WE FOR THIS, THIS AREA.

SO I'M SUPER EXCITED THAT I WAS ACTUALLY HERE.

I THINK I HEARD A LOT OF THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.

OUR LAND IS TOO EXPENSIVE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY MORE OWNER OCCUPIED OPPORTUNITIES.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS GREG NEWS.

UM, I'M ALSO, UH, EXOTIC ABOUT, UM, CONNECTING, UH, THIS SEGMENT OF THE FUTURE TRAIL SYSTEM.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M LOOKING AT IS, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TIGHT ON SPACE, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE TOWN LAKE IS AND WHERE THAT BEAUTIFUL BOUNDARY WALL IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TOWNHOMES ON EITHER SIDE ARE PRETTY MUCH EQUAL DISTANCE FROM THAT WALL, WHICH TO ME, IT LOOKS GREAT.

SO, UM, THIS, THIS IS CHECKING JUST ABOUT EVERY BOX.

UM, THIS IS, THIS IS BETTER THAN I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO ACHIEVE IF YOU WOULD ASK ME, UM, A MONTH OR TWO AGO.

UM, SO, UM, UM, FOR THIS, AND, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO YOU WANT TO SAY NO, I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF ANYONE HAS ANY MORE COMMENTS, MAYOR JUST BRIEF ABOUT THE PATH THERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WORKING COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING TO GET AS MUCH SPACE HERE AS WE COULD.

I THINK WE'VE MET, WE'VE MAXIMIZED IT HERE.

OBVIOUSLY.

THIS IS, UH, THIS IS 68.

IS THAT WHAT WE SAID AT 6 67? SO IT'S, UH, 67 FROM THE BUILDING BASED TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY 57 FEET FROM THE PATIOS TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.

AND WE HAD, WE HAD AN EXPERT, ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO WAS ON A TWO NOW, BECKY, WHO WAS ON TWO COMMITTEES.

AND WHAT MOST IMPORTANTLY IS, I KNOW IT NARROWS DOWN HERE AND I'VE BEEN HEARING CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY HERE, IKEA SAFETY, OR A CHALLENGE LIKE THAT.

SO LIKE HERE'S A LOT OF WAY.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU PUT INTO THAT.

TH THIS IS THE MOST DIFFICULT AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALONG THAT EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTIES.

SO I THINK WE HAVE AREAS WITHIN TOWN ON TRAILS THAT NARROW DOWN THIS NARROW AND THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL.

CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT A COUPLE OF THEM, THE ABILITY ONE OFF A HAND? SO ONE IT'S NOT IN TOWN, BUT I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

IT'S REALLY THE MOST PROMINENT TRAIL CORRIDOR IN THE REGION.

THAT'S THE KATY TRAIL.

UM, SO THAT IS A VERY WELL WITH TRAIL CORRIDOR.

UM, IN SOME PARTS OF IT, IT'S A HUNDRED FEET, UM, AND VERY ROOMY AND HAS MULTIPLE TRAILS, UH, WITHIN, UH, ITS SECTION.

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UH, WHEN YOU START GETTING TOWARDS THE NORTHERN TERMINUS OF THE KATY TRAIL, WHERE IT'S ADJACENT ISLAND PARK, AND IT REALLY HAS STRONG, UM, SINGLE FAMILY ADJACENCY IT NEXT DOWN TO BASICALLY BE MISS.

UH, UM, IT WORKS WELL.

IT FUNCTIONS WELL, IT'S A GREAT AMENITY AND IT DOES NOT FEEL CONSTRAINED.

SO THAT IS, UH, A SUBSTANTIAL TRAIL WITH, UH, I WOULD SAY IT'S WIDER THAN WHAT WAS ENVISIONED WITH THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN.

IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WIDER THAN WHAT WAS ENVISIONED WITH THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY, BUT IT'S ONCE AGAIN, BALANCING COMPETING GOALS.

RIGHT? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THE WHAT QUESTION? UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I LIKE TO OPEN UP THIS PUBLIC JURY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN DECIDE ATTENDANCE, LISTED POVERTY HEARING.

IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE DO SO FIRST I WANT TO ASK FOR THE APPLICANT THIS YEAR, I LIKE AFRICANS TO COME THROUGH HERE.

SO FEEL WORDS.

THE PRESENTATION WAS INCREDIBLY THOROUGH.

UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE.

MY NAME IS JOSH NICHOLS, UH, 68 38, STEPHANIE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

UM, UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU, KEN.

I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILED GIVES.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND I BELIEVE IT'S A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO ADDISON THAT WE IN TOWN.

WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF.

UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF SINCE LATE TWO SINCE LATE 2020, UH, BACK WHEN IT WAS WILSON CURRY.

UM, IN LATE 2020, WE HAD PRESENTED PLAN OPTIONS TO STAFF THAT MET THE OUTLINE OF THE TOWN'S FUTURE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS PARCEL, AND, UH, WORKED UNDER THE TOWNS, UH, TOWNHOME CONDO PD DESIGNATION.

UH, WE WERE ASKED TO HOLD OFF ON SUBMITTING AN OFFICIAL ZONING APPLICATION AS THE TOWN WAS GOING THROUGH.

UH, WHO'S GOING TO REEVALUATE THE AREA STUDY WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WE'LL BE DONE, UH, THIS PAST SUMMER.

UM, NOT SURPRISINGLY AS THESE THINGS GO THAT CAME AND WENT AND IS TAKEN LONGER, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND.

UM, WE CONTINUE TO STAY IN CONTACT WITH STAFF TRACK PROCESS.

WE ATTENDED PUBLIC SAM'S CLUB STUDY FORM AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

UH, WE REVISED OUR PLAN BASED ON THAT PRESENTATION AND ADDITIONAL STAFF FEEDBACK, UH, AND SUBMITTED THE FORMAL ZONING APPLICATION IN EARLY DECEMBER.

UH, SINCE THEN WE MADE SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, UH, INCLUDING WELL ATTENDED COMMUNITY MEETING ON FEBRUARY 1ST AND INCORPORATE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND TOWN STAFF, AS, AS CAN MENTIONED, UH, INCLUDING INCREASE OPEN SPACE AND INCREASED PARKING AND A REDUCTION IN THE UNIT COUNT AFTER OUR COMMUNITY MEETING AND AFTER THE P AND Z, WE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS WITH RESIDENTS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE RESIDENTS CLOSEST TO THE PROJECT, WHICH IS, YOU ALL KNOW IS NOT ALWAYS TYPICAL, THAT THOSE CLOSEST TO THE PROJECT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OUR MOST SUPPORTIVE, UM, AND APPROVAL TONIGHT, AS WE KNOW IS REALLY JUST THE BEGINNING OF THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS AND ITS PROCESS.

WE'RE EXCITED TO START.

UH, STAFF HAS BEEN TERRIFIC TO WORK WITH, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO I GUESS WITHOUT TAKING TOO MUCH TIME, AND OBVIOUSLY WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, UM, BUT IT BE LOVE, UH, COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT BASED ON ITS MERITS, UH, RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFFORD APPROVAL, UH, THE P AND Z SUPER MAJORITY VOTE FOR APPROVAL.

UH, THE SUPPORT OF RESIDENTS FOR A HIGH QUALITY FOR SALE FEE, SIMPLE, UH, RESONANCE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH THE PARK AND A TRAIL DEDICATION, UH, THAT ALL RESIDENTS ADDISON WILL BE ABLE TO USE.

UM, AND SO WITH THAT, IT HAS HAD QUESTIONS, UM, HAVE ANSWERED.

YEAH, JOSH, UM, IS THIS GOING TO BE, UH, APPROVED? IS IT GOING TO BE BUILT IN ONE PHASE? UM, IT, IT WILL NOT BE BUILT IN MULTIPLE PHASES IN THE SENSE THAT WE WILL NOT START A SECTION COMPLETED, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

UH, WE WILL ROLL CONSTRUCTION THROUGH IT.

UM, SO THE FIRST UNITS, UH, WILL BE DONE OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THE LAST ONES.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SPECIALIZE IN ARE OUR TIGHTER, SMALLER PROJECTS AND OUR EXPERIENCE, UH, IS THAT A LOT EASIER AND A LOT MORE EFFICIENT, BOTH FOR US AND FOR THE INFILL LOCATION, UM, TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALL AT ONE TIME, UM, TO PHASE CONSTRUCTION AS APPROPRIATE, BUT IT WILL BE A ROLLING, IT WILL BE A ROLLING CONSTRUCTION.

UM, SO IT WON'T BE BROKEN UP WHERE WE GET ONE SECTION THAT'S BUILT, COMPLETED AND MOVES ON TO THE NEXT SET OF, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE,

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WE ARE DEVELOPERS.

SO OUR GOAL IS TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR PERMITTING, UH, WITH, WITH THE TOWNERS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, UM, UH, TO THAT PROCESS.

IT REALLY JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE ENGAGEMENT WITH STAFF.

I WILL SAY OUR EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH, UH, ADDISON STAFF SO FAR RELATIVE TO DALLAS AND FORT WORTH, UH, LOCATIONS.

UM, IT'S BEEN TERRIFIC.

IT'S BEEN AN INCREDIBLY RESPONSIBLE, UM, SO ONCE WE, ONCE WE ARE PERMITTED, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT SITE WORK, UH, SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A SIX MONTH PROCESS.

UM, TYPICALLY A STICK OF TOWNHOMES FOR CONSTRUCTION TAKES ABOUT 12 MONTHS.

UH, SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO KIND OF PHASE IT THROUGH THE EXPECTATIONS THAT FROM KIND OF START TO FINISH, IT WOULD BE A 30 MONTH.

UM, SO TWO AND A HALF, TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, THIS IS A BETTER PROJECT THAN ANOTHER SUPER EIGHT IS A BETTER PROJECT THAN, UH, THAN, UH, ANY RETAIL, BETTER PROJECT THAN APARTMENTS.

SO WHEN PEOPLE APPROACH ME AND SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU, BUT PEOPLE APPROACH ME.

AND I ALWAYS ADVISE THEM, IF YOU WANT TO GET THIS PASS BETTER, BE, UH, FACING BOTH TOM HOMES, YOU MIGHT GET A CHANCE.

SO WHILE I LOOK AT THAT, EVERYTHING IS FINE, BUT, UH, I JUST DON'T GET IT.

MAJORITY OF NEIGHBORS OF FOYER, EXCEPT I UNDERSTAND, UM, IN VBI, I BELIEVE I DON'T, I READ ALL THOSE DETAILS, BUT I JUST BELIEVE THERE'S A ONE REASON FOR SURE.

YOU DON'T HAVE EGRESS OUT OF FUNDING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT, UH, TWO DATES, YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY FUND ON THERE, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH, THEN GO FROM THE SINGLE ENTRANCE AND EXIT IN AND OUT.

SO WE'LL CLOSE OFF THAT, RIGHT.

CURRENTLY I HAVE SEEN OTHER PEOPLE JUST GO IN AND OUT FROM THERE BECAUSE YOU GOT ALL THE RADIO, UH, JD STEAK, A JET KIND OF FAKE ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS.

PEOPLE WOULD JUST TAKE THE SHORTCUT, YOU KNOW, FOND THERE.

SO I JUST USE MY SIXTH SENSE AS YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, SO CAN YOU JUST TELL ME, OR THE REASON YOU WANT TO CLOSE THAT OFF? SURE.

SO AS KIM MENTIONED, UM, UH, FIRST OFF ADDISON DOES NOT HAVE GATED COMMUNITIES, AND THIS IS NOT THAT, UH, THIS, THIS, UH, THIS, THOSE GATES ARE INTENDED TO BE A TEMPORARY.

THE ONLY REASON THOSE GATES EXIST, UM, ARE BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT, UH, ADJACENCIES.

UH, WHAT IS, WHAT IS TO THE EAST IS THE, UH, THE BACK OF HOUSE SERVICE ENTRANCE TO A RESTAURANT.

UM, THESE ARE HOMES THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY AND LIVE IN, AND THE ONE FEEL SECURE.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THOSE TEMPORARY GATES ARE TO ADD THAT LEVEL OF SECURITY.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CLOSED OFF PER SE.

UH, PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GET, GET IN AND GET OUT.

UH, THEY WILL OPEN AUTOMATICALLY FROM THE INSIDE.

UM, THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THAT IS SO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, UM, WON'T, WON'T COME IN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TAKE A RIGHT TO GO INTO.

I TOLD YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I ALREADY MET IS THAT EXIT EGRESS INGRESS TO BUILD THE SITE RIGHT THERE.

UH, THAT, THAT, THAT IS OPEN.

IT'S GOING TO BE OLD.

WELL, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, OF COURSE, SO FUN THE JOY, AND WE CAN SEE YOU.

OH YEAH.

I'M, I'M SORRY.

THAT, THAT, THAT IT WILL BE OVER AGAIN.

THAT'S JUST A DIMENSION.

IF, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT AN ARROW JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T ASK, SO NOBODY ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO, SO IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THE DRAWING.

SO I'M GLAD I ASKED.

UNTIL IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO BUILD ON THAT FRONT, UH, BELTWAY DRIVE.

I HAVE NO QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO ASK ANYBODY ELSE.

I JUST GOT A FOLLOWUP TO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GQ WAS ALLUDING TO, AND IT'S, UH, AND IT'S GOING BACK TO THE HOW'S THIS GOING TO BE BUILT AND THEN THE WALL, CAN YOU GET IT? SO CAN YOU SHARE SOME COLOR ON HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK WITH TAKING DOWN THE WALL WHEN THE WALL IS GOING TO GO? SURE.

NO.

OUR MORE INTENT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSISTENT, UH, WITH, UH, STAFF'S GOAL THAT THAT WALL WILL NOT BE TAKEN DOWN

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UM, IT CAME TO LIVE MORE PERSPECTIVE DURING CONSTRUCTION, MORE, UH, MORE SCREENING IS PROTECTION.

IT'S BETTER.

UM, SO THERE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT ALIGNMENT ON THAT.

NO, I I'M JUST GONNA MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION, UH, WHERE THESE ARE, WHERE THESE NORTHERN UNITS ARE PARKED THE COUNTY, THE 52 CARS THERE AT THE OTHER DAY.

UH, SO THOSE 52 CARS ARE GOING TO BE PUSHED INTO THAT OTHER PARKING LOT OR ON THE CORNER.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL BALLET.

SO I SUSPECT THOSE 52 CARS ARE NOT THE CHEAP OUGHT TO BE VALID.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE QUICK, BE AWARE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING SO THAT WE DON'T CALL IT CAUSE A CHALLENGE NECESSARILY FOR THE OTHER, UM, THE OTHER, UH, RETAIL THAT'S IN THAT SPOT.

SO JUST COMMENT ON YOUR, UNDERSTAND THAT TO CLARIFY, THERE IS SURFACE PARKING, UM, ALL TO THE SOUTH OF THIS SITE THAT THAT IS INTENDED TO SERVE THAT THE USES THAT ARE ON THOSE PROPERTIES WITH YOUR STATEMENT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY WERE PARKING ON THE SUPER EIGHT SITE? YES.

THAT THAT IS NOT PERMITTED.

IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND MY QUESTION FOR JOSH.

YOU'RE ON THE STAND.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? YES.

HI, I'M VICKI BALLOU.

I LIVE SOMEWHAT ADJACENT TO THIS AREOLA MIDWAY MINUTES AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY, US OUR PART, WILL WE BE AT A POINT IN INSTRUCTION AND TEARING UP A MIDWAY ROAD AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH THIS CONSTRUCTION AND WILL THAT AFFECT TIMELINE? SO WE ARE ON SCHEDULE FOR MIDWAY ROAD.

UM, THE SOUTH PART, WHEN, I MEAN, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE SOUTH PART, EVERYTHING SOUTH FROM BELTLINE, UH, IS, UH, GOING TO BE COMPLETED FIRST.

SO THE DEAN TIRE, THE ENTIRE PROJECT FOR BELTLINE, OH, EXCUSE ME.

FOR MIDWAY ROAD.

THE RECONSTRUCTION IS A 36 MONTH PROJECT, BUT WE'RE ALREADY, UM, ALMOST WE'RE JUST OVER A YEAR INTO THAT.

AND SO, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL BE DONE WITH THE, UM, THE SOUTH PART OF THIS, THIS PROJECT, UH, SOMETIME BY THE LATE, UH, SUMMER, UH, AND INTO THE FALL.

AND THEN EVERYTHING WILL GO TRANSITION TO THE NORTH, BUT IT WILL BE ONLY NORTH OF BELTLINE ROAD AT THAT POINT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE LATER.

YOU KNOW, IF TODAY WERE A TEAMMATE, TAKE ANOTHER 18 MONTHS TO GET THAT PART OF THAT DONE, BUT THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT IMPACTS THIS, THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY.

AND AS FAR AS THE TIMING OF THE CONSTRUCTION, I I'D HAVE TO LEAVE THAT TO THE MEANING FOR THEIR PROJECT AND HAVE THE, THAT ANSWER TO THAT.

JOSH MENTIONED TAKE TWO YEARS TO START THEM.

IF YOU'D APPLY FOR PERMIT, THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO STOP.

HE'S HE'S STILL, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, HE STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH CIVIL SITE DESIGN AND PLANNING.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S A GOOD, AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS LEFT IN THAT.

SO, UH, TO THE WEST, THIS POINT, THERE'S VERY LITTLE OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS VERY MUCH.

MA'AM ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK? IF NOT, UM, I UNDERSTAND, UH, STEVEN GRADS ALREADY SPOKE, SO, UH, ADDICTS OR BANDS, ANYBODY WANTING TO JUST SIT A FEW MONTHS, PLEASE JUST COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.

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WELL, I'M BEN MCCUTCHEN.

AND, UH, I GREW UP IN THAT SCENARIO AND I ACTUALLY WENT TO, I ASKED THE SCHOOL AS WELL, THE LAST TWO THAT THE OLD TIME SHEET.

SO BEEN AROUND THIS AREA FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

ANYWAY, UH, I LIVE AT THE 40 12 WALTON LANE AND I'M PART OF THE PERCUSSION GROUP THAT HAS THE PROPERTY IN THE SOUTH.

AND I BELIEVE THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH THE 8.8 ACRES.

AND THEN THAT WAY IT WOULD BE NOT SUCH A PARKING PROBLEM.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE TREES WE COULD FORM WITH THE ADDISON, UH, SAM'S CLUB STUDY.

AND SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO THESE TWO PROPERTIES TO BE TOGETHER WELL TOGETHER.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE A TOWNHOUSE AREA, MAYBE HAVE A BIG PLAN DEVELOPMENT THERE.

SO I, YEAH, JUST ASKING, IT'S JUST MAKING THE POINT THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT A GOOD PROJECT PROBABLY YEARS, BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO GET MY OPINION, WHATEVER, BEFORE.

SECTION TWO, CHAPTER SIX AND TWO REVIEWS PERMITTED THE MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ATTACHED CASE NUMBER THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WANTED TO SPEAK? NO SAYS NO WAY IN PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUPPET HERE.

COUNSEL COLLEAGUES, ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL.

ITEM SEVEN, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN AS STATED.

LAURA, CAN I ASK YOU TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO POTENTIALLY, UH, INCORPORATE KIM'S SUGGESTION ON THE SIDEWALK, ALIGN THAT TO, UH, AS NEEDED, UH, TO ENSURE THE PRESERVATION OF THE TREES AND STUFF AS HE MENTIONED SO THAT THEY ASKED FOR THAT.

SO THAT'S A REASONABLE, I MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN, UM, WITH AN ADDED FLEXIBILITY BY TOWN STAFF TO ADJUST THE SIZE OF THE SIDEWALK.

SO I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON YOUR FAVORITE FOODS.

THIS PLEASE SAY, AYE.

[8. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Granting a Meritorious Exception to Chapter 62 of the Code of Ordinances for Addison Grove, a Mixed Use Multifamily Development Located at 4150 Belt Line Road, in Order to Exceed the Permitted Maximum Quantity of Detached Signs per Frontage and to Reduce the Permitted Minimum Distance Between Detached Signs. Case MR2022-01/Addison Grove.]

MAYOR CATCHMENT, DIRECTOR WHO DEVELOPED SERVICES FOR THE NEVADA SUN.

UM, SO THEIR REQUESTS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION TO ALLOW FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A MONUMENT SIGN NEAR THE ENTRYWAY, UH, TO THE, UM, UH, ADDISON GROVE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, THIS, UH, SIGN IS, IS SPECIFIC TO THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BUT DMT THE SHARED BRANDING WITH THE OVERALL ADDISON GROVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, THE SHARED ACCESS WITH THE OVERALL AD SOME GROVE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT DOES HAVE BENEFITS, UH, TO INVOLVE THE TOWNHOMES AS WELL AS THE MULTIFAMILY APPLICANT THAT IS PROPOSING THIS, UM, THIS, UM, SITE DOES HAVE HISTORY, UH, WITH CITY COUNCIL, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, MERITORIOUS SIGN EXCEPTIONS WHERE A PREVIOUS, UH, EXCEPTION PACKAGE WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL ADDRESSING, UH, SIGNAGE, UH, AT THE, UH, UH, BELTLINE ROAD FROM THAT WILL SHOW ANIMAL.

SO, UM, THE PROPOSED SIGN IS A MONUMENT SIGN THAT, UH, UH, SHOWS THE, UH, ADD SOME GROVE, UH, NAME AND IT IS ORIENTED, UH, UH, PERPENDICULAR TO BELTLINE ROAD IN ORDER TO ALLOW, UH, UH, VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE TRAFFIC TRAVERSING BELTLINE ROAD TO HAVE A GREATER VISIBILITY OF THE ONE LOOP PRIMARY ACCESS POINTS TO THE ADDISON GROUP DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO, UM,

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UH, BECAUSE THIS, UH, REQUIRES AN AMERITRADE EXCEPTION, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT REALLY THAT'S DRIVEN BY ITS LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH TOWN CODES, UH, AND ON REALLY THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISSUES IN PLAY HERE FOR THIS REQUEST.

UH, ONE, UH, THERE IS AN ACTUAL NUMBER OF DETACHED SIGNS, UH, PER FRONTAGE, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, THEY'RE ALLOWED, UH, UH, UH, TYPICALLY ONE, IT DOES ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS BASED ON THE LENGTH OF THE FRONTAGE.

SO IN THIS CASE, UH, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALLOWED AN ADDITIONAL SIGN PER 500 FEET OF FRONTAGE IN EXCESS OF 750 FEET OF FRONTAGE.

UM, BUT WITH THAT SAID, THERE'S ALREADY ONE DETACH SIGN ON THE BELTLINE FRONTAGE, AND THAT BELTLINE FRONTAGE IS NOT, UH, UH, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY, UM, UH, LONG ENOUGH TO, UH, BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW TWO SIGNS.

UM, IT DOES HAVE THREE OTHER FRONTAGE IS, UH, OAK STREET, UH, RUNYON, UH, AND MAGNOLIA, BUT THE BELTLINE FRONTAGE IS OUR FOCUS TONIGHT.

AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN THE ATTACHED SIGNS AND THE MINIMUM IS 150 FEET.

UH, THIS WILL BE, UH, UH, ENCROACHING ON THAT SEPARATION DISTANCE BASED ON THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ATTACHED SIGN.

UM, SO THE SIGN, UH, IS, UH, NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BELTLINE ROAD AND OAK STREET.

AND THEN THERE'S THE EXISTING SIGN, UH, IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST THAT IS PARALLEL TO THE LIBRARY.

THIS ONE WOULD BE, UH, PERPENDICULAR, UH, AND IT IS, UH, SITUATED JUST IN FRONT OF THE, UM, ROW OF SURFACE PARTISAN AT THE ED SOME GROWTH DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE EXISTING SIGN, UH, IDENTIFIED IN GREEN IN THIS IMAGE AND THE PROPOSED SIGN IDENTIFIED IN RED IS, UH, 70, UH, ONE FEET.

SO THAT'S REDUCING THE 150 FOOT SEPARATION THAT'S REQUIRED BY 79 FEET.

UH, HERE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE LOCATION, UH, RIGHT ON THAT CORNER, UH, FOR SOMEONE, UH, TRAVERSING THAT, UH, CORRIDOR PARTICULARLY IN, UH, IN A VEHICLE, UH, IT IS, UH, IT DOES PROVIDE, UM, APPROPRIATE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.

UM, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, UH, YOU HAVE THE BUILDING SIGNAGE, WHICH IS MUCH MORE PROMINENT AND, AND A MUCH BETTER IDENTIFIER IN THE SITE.

UH, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE, UM, THE LETTERING ON THE RETAINING WALL AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE.

UH, IT BEING PARALLEL AND BEING MORE ORNAMENTAL AND DECORATIVE IN NATURE REALLY DOESN'T SERVE A SIGNIFICANT PURPOSE AS, UH, A WAYFINDING SIGNAGE, REALLY MORE SO, UH, A HARDSCAPE FEATURE FOR ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETICS.

UH, SHE APPLIED ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY MANAGER OF GREYSTAR.

UM, SO WITH THIS, UM, THE APPLICANT IS CONTENDING THAT THE HARDSHIP, HARDSHIP, UH, CRITERIA OF THE, UH, TALENT SIGN CODE APPLIES BY WHICH, UM, MERITORIOUS EXCEPTIONS, UH, CAN BE GRANTED.

AND REALLY, UH, THE HARDSHIP IN THIS CASE IS THAT, UM, SIGNAGE IS LIMITED BY THE LENGTH OF FRONTAGE.

UM, THE BELTLINE FRONTAGE, UH, IS A LENGTH THAT ONLY ALLOWS FOR ONE SIGN, BUT THERE'S THREE OTHER FRONT HINGES.

UH, PUBLIC STREET FRONTAGE IS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE.

UM, WITH THAT SAID THE, THIS SITE DOES NOT HAVE, UM, THE MOST CONVENTIONAL ACCESS FOR A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IT IS ADJACENT TO, UH, OR CLOSE TO ANOTHER, UM, ARTERIAL CORRIDOR AND THEN ALSO A COLLECTOR TO ITSELF.

BUT IT DOES NOT TAKE ACCESS FROM EITHER OF THOSE ROADWAYS.

SO HAVING SIGNAGE ORIENTED THAT WAY REALLY DOES NOT HELP FROM A WAY-FINDING STANDPOINT.

SO GIVEN THAT, UH, NOTHING INTERNAL TO THE SITE WOULD ASSIST WITH THAT ISSUE, UH, THEY FEEL THAT, UH, THE PROVISION OF AN ADDITIONAL MORE, WHERE ARE YOU FINDING ORIENTED MONUMENT SIGN AT THE BELTLINE FRONTAGE? UH, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE? UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATION.

UH, THE SIGN IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR THIS SITE.

UH, IT IS APPROPRIATELY LOCATED, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IS NOT CREATING, UH, ANY SITE VISIBILITY ISSUES THAT IT REALLY DOES HELP, UH, WITH, UH, GUIDING PEOPLE INTO A SITE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO APPROPRIATELY GUIDE PEOPLE TO.

SO THEY'RE NOT DOING THE INTERNS AND HAVING TO GO ON MIDWAY OR BELTWAY THAT TO GET REORIENTED AND GET INTO THE SITE.

SO IT WOULD HELP WITH WAYFINDING STAFF DOES SUPPORT THIS CONSIDERATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

UH, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT.

I'M MARIE BYROM OF MEYER AND SIGN AND LIGHTING.

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DO I HAVE A QUESTION? HEY, KIM, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE SEVEN, GO BACK ONE.

UM, AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THIS.

I JUST KIND OF ENLARGED IT ON MY IPAD, LOOKING AT THE SAME THING, BUT IS, IS THIS PROPOSED KIND OF, UH, BY THE STOP SIGN? NO, IT, IF YOU SEE THAT IT'S, IT'S GOT A LIGHTER WEIGHT AND THERE'S A RED CIRCLE, SO IT WOULD BE TO THE EAST OF THE STOP SIGN BEHIND BOTH SIDEWALKS, REALLY, UH, CLOSER TO THE PARKING.

SO MAYBE THE STOP SIGN IS, IS BASICALLY RIGHT HERE.

SO IT'S PROBABLY 25 FEET TO THE EAST OF THAT.

SO, SO IT WOULDN'T BLOCK, UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WERE A CAR YOU WOULD BE LOOKING THE OTHER WAY FOR THE TRAFFIC, IT WOULDN'T BLOCK, CORRECT.

IT'S OUT OF ANY SITE IS ABOUT BUILDING A TRIANGLE THAT, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, TO PROTECT, PROTECT PEDESTRIANS FROM VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

AND WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS REMOVING, REMOVING THE SIGN? THAT'S NOT MAYBE SERVING THEIR PURPOSE AND THEN JUST INSTALLING, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.

I INHERITED THIS PROJECT FROM A STAFF MEMBER I LOST, UH, BUT, UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.

I WOULD, I WOULD NOT MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT I DO FEEL THAT THE ORIGINAL SIGN IS MORE OF A, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE VERSUS THE SIGN AND IN MY MIND.

AND IT'S FAIRLY SOME DUDE, THIS IS REALLY MORE SIGNAGE, UH, AND, AND IT'S PURPOSEFUL AND, AND, UH, AS, UH, USEFULNESS, WHEREAS THE OTHER IS MORE DECORATIVE.

YOU ENVISIONING INDIA ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE FOR AS MIGHT BE COMING DOWN THE PIPE THAT MIGHT NEED ADDITIONAL MERITORIOUS EXCEPTIONALS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I HAVE NOT HAD DISCUSSIONS, I THINK, UM, TO GRAY STARS AND BENEFIT.

UM, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY PROACTIVE, UH, IN, UH, THEIR REQUEST FOR SIGNAGE AT GREYSTAR, UH, CERTAINLY WORKS TO COMPLY WITH THE TALENTS CODES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO CONSIDER THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF, OF, UH, NOT PROVIDING THE SIGNAGE AND THAT YOU HAVE POTENTIAL WAY-FINDING ISSUES.

AND IT'S, IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE PROBLEMS THAT, THAT MAYBE WERE CRITIQUES OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.

SO THE MORE YOU CAN GET PEOPLE OFF BELTWAY AS EFFICIENTLY OR OUTLINE AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE THROUGH THAT SIGNAGE.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE HERE.

AND, UH, ALSO, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS PROJECT HAS RETAIL FRONT INCH.

UM, IT DOES HAVE GOOD VISIBILITY FROM BELTLINE LINE, BUT ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO SUPPORT THAT.

AND, AND IT'S NOT DONE IN A WAY THAT REALLY CREATES CLUTTER ON THE BELTLINE STREETS GAME.

UH, I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL GOING TO, SO IS THIS AN ILLUMINATED ZONE? IT IS EXTERNALLY OR INTERNALLY, INTERNALLY, INTERNALLY.

DO I HAVE EMOTION FOR THIS? YOU KNOW, THIS JUST DISTANCE REASON, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU STEP ON 150 FEET IS 71 FEET, YOU KNOW, GRAY STAR GREEN COMPANY.

UM, THIS DAN, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON, NOBODY LIKED THIS PROJECT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FACING REALITY SO FAR DOING A GOOD JOB SON.

THERE IS NO NEED TO BE APPROVED TO HELP THEM TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL.

SO DO I HAVE EMOTION, UM, COMPASSION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ALSO.

SO I'M WATCHING THE SECOND ONE FAVORITE, SO PRETTY THIS VERUS VCI.

I LIKE BOTH.

I DID NOT DISCUSS THE CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE WORKING A MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION TO CHAPTER 62, ALL THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE, A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT LOCATED AT WASHINGTON IN ORDER TO EXCEED THE PERMITTED MAXIMUM QUALITY AND CUMULATIVE DECIDING ARE WE YET? AND A LOBO, I WILL ATTACH THE COMMERCIAL TENANT EDIT IDENTIFICATION SIZE AND TO REDUCE THE PERMITTED MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN ADJACENT ATTACHED SCIENCE CASE NUMBER ZERO TO DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE.

[9. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Granting a Meritorious Exception to Chapter 62 of the Code of Ordinances for Dutch Bros Coffee, a Drive-Thru Restaurant Located at 14280 Marsh Lane, in Order to Exceed the Permitted Maximum Quantity, Cumulative Sign Area, and Logo Height for Attached Commercial Tenant Identification Signs and to Reduce the Permitted Minimum Distance Between Adjacent Attached Signs. Case MR2022-02/Dutch Bros Coffee. ]

THANK YOU, MARY KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR TOWN.

UM, SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR A NEW BUSINESS.

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SO THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED VIA AN SEP PROCESS, UH, THAT WENT BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, THAT'S BROS.

COFFEE IS A DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE SHOP.

IT WILL BE, UH, LOCATED, UH, IN BROOKHAVEN VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER, SOUTH OF SPRING VALLEY ROAD IN THE EASTERN MARSHALL LANE.

UH, AS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY.

UM, THEY ARE, UH, MAKING VERY FAST PROGRESS AND THEY ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO OPEN, UH, SOON.

AND SO WITH THAT, THE TYPICALLY WHEN THEY ARE, UH, APPLICANTS GET TO THIS POINT IN THEIR PROJECT, THIS IS WHERE THEY STARTED ENGAGING STAFF, UH, FOR THEIR SIGNAGE, UH, DUTCH BROS, UM, IS A OREGON BASED COMPANY.

UH, THEY VERY RECENTLY AGGRESSIVELY, UH, LAUNCHED, UH, A PERIOD OF GROWTH HERE IN TEXAS.

UH, THEY'VE, UH, ESTABLISHED QUITE A FEW FRANCHISES CENTRAL TEXAS NORTH, TEXAS, UM, IN RECENT MONTHS.

SO WE WILL BE ONE OF SEVERAL THAT, UH, EITHER HAVE OPENED OR WILL BE OPENING, UH, IN THIS REGION, UM, SIGNAGE, UH, GIVEN THAT IT IS A DRAFTER USE USES AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.

SO THAT IS, UH, THE BASIS FOR THIS MERITORIOUS EXCEPTION REQUEST.

UM, THE TOWN SIGN CODE, UM, HAS A, UH, BASE, UH, CODE THAT PROVIDES GENERAL DEPARTMENTS TO ADDRESS, UH, ALL THE VARIOUS SIGN TYPES THAT, UH, WE EXPERIENCE, UH, THROUGH OUR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND, UH, IN SOME INSTANCES, THE TOWN HAS ESTABLISHED SPECIAL DISTRICTS, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE CHARACTER OF A PARTICULAR PROJECT.

AND THOSE SPECIAL DISTRICTS ARE THEN APPLIED TO DEVELOP WITHIN THOSE AREAS.

SO IN THIS INSTANCE, A SPECIAL DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE VITRUVIAN DEVELOPMENT.

AS WE KNOW, THE VITRUVIAN VISION IS FOR A VERY WALKABLE, URBAN, UH, MORE COMPACT, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED EXPERIENCE.

SO SIGNAGE, UH, REFLECTS THAT THIS IS A DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, COFFEE SHOP, VERY AUTO ORIENTED.

IT ISN'T A, UM, UH, SUBURBAN SHOPPING CENTER WHERE, UH, ANCHORED BY A GROCERY STORE AND, AND PAD SITES ARE MOST PEOPLE THAT ACCESS THAT AREA ARE DOING IT VIA VEHICLE.

SO THE SIGNAGE NEEDS AND THE SPECIAL DISTRICT, UH, SIGNAGE DESIGNER GARMENTS KIND OF COLLIDE IN THIS AREA WHERE ONE IS, IS MEANT TO BE MORE HUMAN SCALE.

AND ONE IS VERY MUCH MEANT TO BE, UH, AUTO ORIENTED AND SCALED AS SUCH.

UM, SO WITH THIS REQUEST, DUTCH BROS HAS, UH, SUBMITTED A SIGN PACKAGE FOR 10 DIFFERENT SIGNS, UH, ON THEIR, UH, FOUR-SIDED, UH, BUILDING.

UH, SOME OF THE SIGNAGE IS, UH, PURELY, UH, IDENTIFICATION SIGNAGE, ONE OF WHICH IS ON EACH FACADE WITH ONE BEING A LOGO AND THE OTHER, UM, BEING THE BUSINESS NAME.

AND THEN IT ALSO HAS, UM, A SERIES OF MENU SIGNS AND THEN PROMOTIONAL SIGNS, UH, IDENTIFYING DRINK SPECIALS AS WELL AS, UM, UH, UH, CHARITABLE, UM, UH, UH, EFFORTS THAT THE DUTCH BROS IS PURSUING.

UM, SO WITH THE VITRUVIAN SPECIAL DISTRICT, UH, THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND THE, AND THE SPACING OF SIGNS.

SO, UM, BASICALLY, UH, WITH THIS, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UH, ATTACH COMMERCIAL TENANT IDENTIFICATION SIGNS ARE GENERATED OR LIMITED TO ONE SIGN PER 50 LINEAL FEET OF BUILDING FRONTAGE WITH A MAXIMUM OF TWO SCIENCE-BASED A MINIMUM OF 25 FEET APART.

AND THAT'S REALLY GEARED TOWARDS A BUILDING THAT HAS ONE PRIMARY FRONT AGE, OR MAYBE TWO PRIMARY FROM IMAGES WHERE IT'S A CORNER BUILDING.

IT'S NOT REALLY ENVISIONING A FOUR-SIDED BUILDING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HAVING PARKING LOTS, GRABBING THE BUILDING.

IT'S AN URBAN STREET.

SO, UM, WITH THEIR REQUESTS, THEY HAVE FOR IDENTIFICATION SIGNS PLUS THE ADDITIONAL SIX, UM, PROMOTIONAL MENU SIGNS.

UM, THERE'S ALSO LIMITATIONS WITH REGARDS TO TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SIGNS, UH, WITH, UH, A MAXIMUM OF 200 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SIGN AREA WITH NO ASSIGNED EXCEEDING 100 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, REGULATIONS THAT THE, UH, ADVISE WITH REGARDS TO HOW MUCH THE SIGN CAN PROJECT FROM THE BUILDING FACADE THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

UM, SO THE COMPLIANCE ISSUES IN PLAY HERE ARE THE, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER TO ATTACH SIGNS FOR THE BUILDING THAT IS REALLY ONE OR TWO, IF YOU CONSIDER TWO FRONT EDGES, UH, THE MINIMUM SEPARATION BETWEEN ATTACHED SIGNS IS 25

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FEET.

THAT'S NOT BEING MET HERE WITH MANY OF THE SIGNS.

UH, MAXIMUM SIGN AREA ALLOWED IS EXCEEDED BY, UM, JUST UNDER 37 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN THE MAXIMUM LOGO HEIGHT AND ATTACH SIGNS, UH, THAT IS ALLOWED IS 26 INCHES AND THAT'S BEING EXCEEDED AS WELL.

UM, SO, UH, HERE YOU SEE, UH, THE VARIOUS SIGNS, UH, ONCE AGAIN, 10 IN TOTAL.

UM, AND THEN HERE, YOU SEE A GRAPHIC SHOWING THE SEPARATION DISTANCE BETWEEN THE MENU AND PROMOTIONAL SIGNS, UM, GIVEN, UM, AND THEN HERE, BUT THIS GRAPHIC, YOU SEE THAT THE TOTAL SIGN AREA.

SO THEY REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL 102 SQUARE FEET IN SIGN AREA, CAPTURING ALL THESE SIDES.

UM, UH, WITH THIS LOGO, LOGOS ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME AS LETTERS.

SO THIS ONE IS, UM, JUST UNDER FIVE FEET TALL, UH, THAT IS, UM, UH, MORE THAN DOUBLE, UH, THE, UH, LETTER HEIGHT THAT'S PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT.

SO ONCE AGAIN, NOT IN COMPLIANCE THERE.

UH, SO THERE, UH, CONTENDING THAT THE, THE, UH, APPLICATION OF THESE VERY URBAN ORIENTED, UH, SIDE REGULATIONS, UH, ARE HARDSHIP BASED ON THEIR VERY AUTO ORIENTED USE.

UH, STAFF DOES AGREE WITH THIS.

IT IS A FOUR-SIDED BUILDING AND IT IS ACCESSIBLE FROM FOUR SIDES.

SO IT SHOULDN'T BE PERMITTED, UH, THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, UM, WHERE IT, UM, KINDS THAT KIND OF GETS BEYOND THE SPIRIT OF OUR SIGN CODE IS WITH THE QUANTITY OF, UM, UH, ATTACHED SIGNS AT THE, UM, MORE OF THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL.

TYPICALLY WITH A FAST FOOD USE SUBSTANCE.

THIS MAY HAVE ONE MENU SIGN VERSUS MAYBE ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE FACADE, PARTICULARLY FOR A DRIVER USE LIKE THIS, BUT MAYBE THREE.

UM, SO MANY SIGNS ARE CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE, BUT IF THOSE ADDITIONAL SIGNS CAN MAYBE BE COMBINED WITH THE MENU SIGN, OR MAYBE COMBINED TOGETHER AS ONE SIGN, LIMITING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNS TO PRACTICE EIGHT OR SIX, UH, THAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE HERE.

BUT, UM, THE BUILDING IDENTIFICATION SIGNAGE IS IMPORTANT AND CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T BE, UH, APPROVED.

UH, SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, STAFF DOES, UH, SUPPORT, UH, PARTIAL APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, UH, WITH LIMITATIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF ATTACHED, INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE THAT'S PROVIDED TO LIMIT THE NUMBER, UH, FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED.

UM, WE DO HAVE NICHOLAS JOHNSON FROM E S N A AWNING, UH, AND SIGN, UH, WHO'S REPRESENTING DUTCH BROS TONIGHT ON CALL.

SO AGAIN, LET ME ASK THE DUTCH BROTHERS SON, UM, THE LAWS FACADE SOLVES FOSSA AND EAST FACADE.

IT IS STILL A LOUD.

SO BY THE WAY, THE CODE IS WRITTEN.

YOU COULD HAVE A MAX OF TWO, UH, COMMERCIAL IDENTIFICATION SIGNS, AND THEY'D HAVE TO BE, UH, SEPARATED BY 50 FEET.

SO THOSE WOULD BE PERMITTED.

SO ONLY ONE IS IN THE NORTH, THE SOUTH.

SO, UM, SO EASE IS NOT, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE AS WELL AS THE, THE LOGO SIGN WOULD HAVE TO GO.

UM, SO WHILE THOSE SIGNS NEED TO BE GONE, HOW ABOUT LOGO SENTENCE? AND THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN IDENTIFICATION SIGN.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, SO FAR BIG, UH, WOW, THE NORTH, WHILE ON THE SOUTH PROPOSED IN THE EAST AND THE, THIS IDENTIFICATION SENTENCE, THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS, THE LOGO IS ON THE SOUTH, UH, WEST THE EAST.

SO THE WEST WEST FOSSA.

THEY CHOSE TWO SIDES TO ALL THE, FOR, WELL, THE WAY THE, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN.

UM, THIS USE IS, IS PRETTY UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S DRIVE THROUGH.

SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF USE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.

ONE MORE QUESTION WITH ALL THOSE INFORMATION.

SO YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT SO MANY MANUAL SIZE, SO TOTALLY GOT HOW MANY NIGHT THEY HAD SIX SETS SO THAT I HAD LOOK AT SO MANY, BUT HOW MANY WE ARE NOT.

SO THE, THE WAY THAT THE DISTRICT HAS WRITTEN IT, IT'S KIND OF SILENT ON THAT ISSUE.

SO, UH, I WOULD TREAT THEM, UH, SOME RELATE TO HOW WE WOULD TREAT IT, UH, A SIMILAR, FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENT IN TOWN.

AND TYPICALLY YOU HAVE THE, THE ONE MENU SIGN ON THE LAWN, MAYBE TWO, UM, ON ONE, ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, SHE AND ANOTHER TWO.

KNOW, I SEE A SEAL ON THE DRAWING AND I SIT WHERE IT'S LIKE, I KNOW THEN YOU RECOMMEND ONLY ONE SUN ON YOUR SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE.

MAYOR, CAN WE LOOK AT SLIDE SIX, GO BACK TO THAT MIGHT HELP YOU BE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE NUMBERING SYSTEM.

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SO I JUST WANT TO, SO I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND ALL OF THE BUSINESS IDENTIFICATION SIGNS TO BE PERMITTED BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH AN ACTIVE USE ON ALL SIDES DUE TO THE NATURE OF IT BEING, UH, UH, A HIGH VOLUME, UH, COFFEE DRIVE THE COST OF THE KEEP, ALL THOSE FOUR SIGNS, CORRECT BY THE BANK, AS FAR AS THE MANUAL SIGNS ON WELL TO SOUTH SIDE.

CORRECT.

AND THEY COULD INCREASE THE SIZE OF THOSE SIGNS TO, TO, UM, PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY INTEND TO PROVIDE, BUT HAVING A LOT OF SIGN ENCLOSURE ON THE BUILDING, UH, WOULD BE NOT NECESSARILY CONSISTENT WITH A TYPICAL DRIVER, YOUR USE OF DOWN.

SO, NO.

SO NUMBER FOUR, THAT'S A WALK-UP WINDOW UP ON THE NORTH ELEVATION TOP LEFT.

THERE IS A WALK-UP WALK-UP.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO GET MARRIED, BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SURFACES, RIGHT.

AND THEN THESE OTHER, SO THEN THOSE NUMBER TWO AND THREE APPEAR IN THE TOP LEFT-HAND CORNER.

THAT INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE, UH, TWO AND THREE AND EIGHT AND NINE.

UM, PROBABLY GIVEN HOW THEY HAVE THE MENU BOARDS ORIENTED, UH, NEAR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE WINDOW.

I WOULD SUGGEST COMBINING, UH, TWO AND THREE IN THE ONE SIGN AND EIGHT AND NINE IN THE ONE SIDE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CHALLENGING TO, UM, AT THIS POINT, GIVEN THAT THE BUILDING'S DESIGN AND, AND, UM, MAKING RAPID PROGRESS AND THE CONSTRUCTION TO CONSOLIDATE THREE SIGNS INTO THE ONE, CAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE AT THE CONVENIENT LOCATION, BUT IF THEY COULD CONSOLIDATE EIGHT AND NINE AND DO A SINGLE SIGN AND TWO AND THREE INTO A SINGLE SIGN THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE CLUTTER, THE STATIC SITES, UH, THEY WOULD CHANGE.

SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE OTHER UNIQUE THING.

UH, IF SAY THE PROMOTION CHANGED, UH, THAT WOULD, UH, UH, RESULT IN THE SIGNED COPY CHANGING.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, IF, UH, ANY OF THE OTHER ENDEAVORS THAT THEY'RE ADVERTISING, UM, UH, CHARITABLE ITEMS, UH, THAT WOULD CHANGE AS WELL, THEORETICALLY, THEY MAY NEED TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT FOR THAT CHANGE COPY, WHICH WE TYPICALLY WOULD FOR A SIGN DIGITAL SIGNS, ARE THEY SIZE THAT YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THAT YOU HAVE TO CHANGE? SO I CAN SEE WHERE EIGHT AND NINE COULD LOGICALLY BE ON TWO AND THREE.

UM, IS THE SIGN-ON TO, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THOSE PROPOSED SIGNS? IS THAT THE CHARITABLE? YES, THOSE WOULD BE, UH, UH, THE DRINK SPECIALS AND THEN LEFT PROMOTIONAL CHARITABLE, UH, SIGNAGE.

THAT'S A LOT GOING ON.

I UNDERSTAND THEIR PREDICAMENT, BUT I THINK OF LIKE, UM, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE OVER THERE? VINE CARERRAS, THERE'S A COPY'S TUTORS.

WHAT DO THEY DO? AND, UM, IT'S SMALLER.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT DUTCH BY THIS, BUT UM, YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME.

STATIC MENUS FOR THEIR GENERAL STANDARDIZED MENU.

THIS IS NICK JOHNSON WITH SMA SYNANON.

UM, I EVEN SPEAK MORE TO USE IN THE REASONING BEHIND WHY WE HAVE SO MANY MENUS, UH, OR WHAT WE CALL THE MENUS BECAUSE THEY ARE INTERCHANGEABLE WITH PROMOTIONAL ITEMS, UH, AND AS MENTIONED, UM, LOCAL FUNDRAISERS, LOCAL, LIKE TO YOUR COMMUNITY, UM, THOSE GROWS ANNUALLY DONATE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ACROSS THEIR BRAND TO LOCAL, UM, UM, CHARITABLE FOUNDATIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, RESEARCHED IN WORK WITH THE FRANCHISE OR THE OPERATORS ON THE STAND, UM, AS WELL PLUS THE COMMUNITY.

SO YOU GUYS ARE FROM, UH, FROM DUTCH BROS FROM TIME TO TIME LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME REPUTABLE, UH, CHARITABLE DONATION, UM, ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY CAN HELP RAISE FUNDS FOR.

UM, SO ONE OF THE MENUS ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING NORTH AND SOUTH WILL BE DEDICATED PRIMARILY TO DMS ADVERTISING, HERBS FUNDRAISE.

UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ONES WILL BE THE MONTHLY DRIPPING SPECIAL ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THE ONE NEXT TO THE SERVICE WINDOW ON BOTH SIDES ARE

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IT DOESN'T HAVE PRICES.

IT JUST HAS BASICALLY THEIR DRINK SELECTIONS, UM, AND SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE DRINK MIXES, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST-TIME USERS, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, ALL OF THESE SIGNS ARE STANDARD ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR DUTCH BROS.

SO THEY DON'T COME IN DIFFERENT SIZES AND THEY CAN'T BE COMBINED OR PRE-MANUFACTURED PRODUCTS, UM, THAT WE SUPPLY IN LARGE VOLUMES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND IT'S STANDARDIZED THROUGHOUT THE RAND.

SO PRINT SIZES ARE THE SAME AND THE CONTENT IS THE SAME ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

SO EVERY MONTH WHEN THEY ORDER THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF FRIENDS, THEY DISTRIBUTE THE SAME BRANDING MATERIALS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LOCAL, UM, UH, FUNDRAISERS.

THEY SEND OUT THE SAME DAY WITH PRINTS AND A HALF THE FRAMES.

SO IT'S A HUGE PROJECT MANAGEMENT ISSUE TO TRY TO CREATE A CUSTOM MENU SIGN FOR A SINGLE LOCATION WHERE THEIR STANDARDS ARE OUT.

NOW, THE OTHER KEY ITEM HERE IS ON SIGNS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR THAT'S ON THE DRIVE UP SIDE OF THE BUILDING, DUTCH BROS COFFEE HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OVER THE YEARS OF REFINING THEIR DRIVE-THROUGH PROCESS, WHERE THE CARS DON'T REALLY SIT IN THE DRIVE THROUGH VERY LONG HISTORICAL DRIVE-THRU TYPE BUSINESSES WITH 30 CARS AND STACK YOUR 20 OR 15.

YOU'RE GOING TO SIT THERE FOR A LONG TIME WITH DUTCH BROS COFFEE.

YOU, YOU SAID AT THE WINDOW LESS THAN ONE MINUTE PER CAR, THAT CURRENT MODEL.

SO THE, THE, THE LINE IS CONSTANTLY MOVING.

WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THEIR USE OF THE RUNNERS OR THE, WHAT THEY CALL THEM.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GO OUT IN THE MIND WITH AN IPAD AND TAKE ORDERS AT THE WINDOW OF ENGINE CARS.

SO THERE ISN'T A SPEAKER BOX WHERE, WHERE IT CREATES A PINCH POINT AND SLOWS DOWN THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH DRIVE THROUGH.

ACTUALLY THERE ARE PEOPLE RUNNING OUT THERE.

SO THERE ISN'T A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT WHERE THERE IS WITH A STANDARD DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT WITH A TYPICAL DIRECTORY RESTAURANT.

THEY HAVE ABOUT A 32 SQUARE FOOT MENU SIGN, A SINGLE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT, OR BY ON AVERAGE, WENDY'S MCDONALD'S ANY OF THOSE GUYS, THE SCORE WITH THE SPEAKER BARS, THE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS CREATED SMALLER MENUS AND, AND THEY'RE SPREAD FURTHER.

APART AS THAT TRAFFIC FLOWS, THEY STILL GET ABOUT THE SAME EXPOSURE WITH SMALLER MENUS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, RATHER THAN ONE LARGE MENU.

UM, VISUALLY WHEN YOU'RE IN THE FIELD, YOU SEE THESE LIVE, THEY'RE NOT AS, UH, NEGATIVELY IMPACTFUL AS THEY MIGHT LOOK ON THE PAGE.

THEY ACTUALLY ARE COLORED TO BLEND WITH THE BUILDING FOR THE MOST PART, UM, AND NOT, AND THEY'RE NOT FOCUSED ON BEING ROADSIDE ADVERTISEMENTS TOWARDS THE PUBLIC STREETS.

THEY'RE JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES THROUGHOUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH PROCESS AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH EXPERIENCE.

CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? UM, SO GOOD QUESTION.

THAT'S A GOOD EXPLANATION THAT NUMBERS TWO, THREE AND FOUR, WHERE I KNOW THE RUNNERS COME OUT IS, IS, ARE THOSE, HAVE YOU, OR HAS THAT THE CHARITABLE TWO, THREE AND FOUR? CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN? SO THEY THEY'RE ONE OF EACH, ARE YOU STILL WITH US, NICHOLAS? YEAH.

I WAS MOVING SOME OUT.

NUMBER TWO WOULD TYPICALLY BE THE DRINK PARTIAL NUMBER THREE WOULD TYPICALLY BE THE UNREASONABLE AND NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE THE STAGNATING ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

IT WOULD JUST BE THE OPPOSITE.

SO SEVEN WOULD BE THIS CATEGORY MENU EIGHT WOULD BE THE PROMOTION FOR THE, UM, UH, NOT PROMOTION, THE, UM, TERRIBLE CONDITION SITUATION.

AND NINE WOULD BE THE FIRST.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S LIKE, DAMN, WE HAVE TWO SERVERS, ONE FOR THE DRIVER, WHICH IS NORTH AND ONE FOR THE WALKUP TRAP, THIS IS WALKING, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, WHATNOT.

THEY CAN COME UP AND TAKE AN ORDER AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ORDER POINTS AS WELL.

SO THEY KIND OF ADVERTISE THE SAME THING ON TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, AND IT DOES.

AND I THINK IF, WHEN I GO TO DALLAS WHERE THEY HAVE THE RUNNERS AND THE RUNNERS COME OUT TO TAKE YOUR ORDER, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THE MENU, IF YOU WANT TO ORDER SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT'S LIKE, CAN I SEE THE MENU? YOU HAVE TO WAIT.

SO YOU DRIVE UP TO THE MENU ON THE SIDE

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OF THE WALL.

THAT'S THE ONE LET'S GET ONE MINUTE THERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS HAS BLENDED INTO INTEGRATED INTO YOUR FAST-MOVING AUTO ROTATION.

UM, IT JUST LOOKS, UM, ON THE PRINT, IT LOOKS SPEEDING, UM, BUSY, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND, AND THAT'S IN A, A FLAT AS WELL.

UM, I THINK SHOW SOME PHOTOS IF YOU'D LIKE OF SOME COMPLETED PROJECTS.

I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS IF YOU .

WHICH IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, CAUSE IT'S THE SAME MENU IN THE SAME INSERT AS THE WALNUT ONES.

THAT'S THE WAY THEY DO BUSY LIVES.

AND NICK, IF YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN TO SHOW SOME PHOTOS, I'LL STOP SHARING AND WE'LL LET YOU SHARE.

UM, OH, BY THE WAY, ON THE WALKUP SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, THEY HAVE, UM, THE TWO WHITE BOXES ARE ACTUALLY, UM, NON-LEAD SNAP SPRINTS.

SO THOSE DON'T HAVE POWER AND THEY DON'T HAVE THEM IN THE NATION.

THE ONLY ONE THAT HASN'T MOVED NATION ON THAT SIDE OF THE, IS THAT 89 OF THE BUILDING, EIGHT, NINE DO NOT HAVE A LIMITATION, RIGHT? UH, THESE ARE PROGRESS PHOTOS.

SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

I DID THIS BEFORE.

CAN WE DO ONE OF THESE PLEASE? THAT'D BE GREAT.

50 FOOT POLES ON NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE IN HERE, THESE ARE THE SNAP FRAMES DOWN BELOW.

THIS ONE DOES NOT BACKLIT MENUS ON OUR ROLL.

WE ACTUALLY RAN INTO A SUPPLY ISSUE WITH, UH, UH, ALL OF THE SHIPMENTS.

THEY GOT TO START OFF THE WEST COAST STILL.

WE RAN OUT OF EXTRUSION AND IT WAS A MESS.

BUT ANYWAY, WE HAVE BACKWARD MANUSCRIPTS, BUT THIS IS THE DRIVE-THROUGH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE AWNINGS.

AND THEN THE THREE MENUS WITH THE DIMENSION OF THE BUILDING AND THE SHOWERS THAT ARE CAST.

IT REALLY BLENDED NICELY.

AND THE BLUE FOR THE MENU SIGN BODY IS THE SAME BLUE AS THIS WALL HERE.

SO IT BLENDS IN NICELY AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS.

SO, UM, THIS ONE BACK HERE IS VERY SIMILAR AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE, WHAT WOULD CODE, HOW ARE YOU ON, ON THIS BUILDING? IT'S PROBABLY GRAY, OR I KNOW YOU HAVE A BLUE TOWER IN A GRAY FIELD AND THEN ANOTHER LINE GRAY FIELD HERE.

SO THIS ONE WOULD BLEND VERY WELL.

AND THESE ONES WERE NOT PLAYING QUITE AS WELL.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE KNOWING, LET'S SEE, WELL, THIS ONE'S STILL IN CONSTRUCTION, BUT SEE THERE'S THE LETTER SAID, AND YOUR LETTER SAID IS ACTUALLY ON SMALLER, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE ONE MENU HERE.

AND THEN TWO SNAP FRAMES, LOW PROFILES FRAMES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

YOU MAY HAVE SOME BETTER PHOTOS.

UM, ANOTHER SAN ANTONIO LOCATION.

NOW THIS ONE HAS THE SAME SITUATION.

SHE DIDN'T SEE, THIS IS WHAT THE SNAP FRAMES LOOK LIKE NEXT TO THE WALK-UP WINDOW.

ONCE THE STONE IS ON THERE LOOKS REALLY, THEY LOOK REALLY, REALLY CLEAN WHEN THESE PROJECTS, THEY'RE NOT OVERBEARING, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR AGAIN, ROADSIDE EXPOSURE.

THEY'RE PURELY THERE TO SERVE THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE SITE.

THIS IS ONE OF THE POSTS MOUNT MENUS,

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IT'S LITERALLY THIS EXACT SAME CABINET.

SO THIS IS TWO CABINETS BACK TO BACK, WHICH IS HARD TO TELL THEM THIS PHOTO, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S MEN AND THEY HAVE A STANDARD PRINT.

IT GOES IN HERE, THE EMPLOYEES IN STAR SWAP OUT AND THAT'S NOT BEING PROPOSED AT THIS LOCATION.

THE SAME EXACT SIZE, IT'S THE SAME MENU.

BUT NOW THIS POST WAS NOT, THAT HELPS TO SEE THE REAL, THE REAL CONSTRUCTION.

THEY'RE VERY CLASSY.

THEY LOOK REALLY CLASSY.

I THINK PROBABLY A GOOD WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE TOTAL SIZE OF THE, UM, UH, EACH SIGN CUMULATIVELY, UH, VERSUS ONE LARGE DR.

JURY SIGN, UH, IT'S REALLY, UM, KIND OF, UH, SIX IN ONE HAND, HALF DOZEN.

THE OTHER IN TERMS OF, YEAH, I'M CURIOUS NOW THAT HE'S OFF.

IF I, IF I MAY, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE STEM, I KNEW ALL THE SIGNS FOR DUTCH BROS NATIONALLY.

AS A PERIOD NOW, LIKE IN HERE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ON REGARDING THE MENUS OR ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.

NO.

WELL, CONSIDERING THE OPTION TO COMBINE SCIENCE IS NOT, IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR THIS BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S A LOT OF SIGNAGE AND I'M LEANING WHERE WE'RE STAFF HAS LANDED.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT, BUT, UM, HAVE THE FREESTANDING ATTACHED, INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE LIMITED TO FOUR, THE ONE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE AND ONE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE.

SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE, I'M SORRY.

YOURS IS PERFECT.

WELL, SO WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE NOT TO HAVE WITH THIS MOTION? WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE PROMOTION OF THAT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD THE LOCAL CHARITY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAND THAT RIGHT.

EITHER THAT, OR THEY DECIDE WHAT SIGNS THEY'RE GOING TO PUT BASED ON THE QUANTITY OF, RIGHT.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LIMITING ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ON.

AND ONE THING THEY CAN DO IS WHILE THEY CAN'T CREATE NEW SIGNS OR IT'S NOT EFFICIENT FOR THEM TO CREATE NEW SIGNS, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM SPRINKLE ALL OVER THE BUILDING, WHICH IS PROBABLY MORE OF THE CLUTTER ISSUE, IF THEY CAN CO-LOCATE THEM.

SO THEY'RE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

UM, AND YOU HAVE LESS, UH, DISPERSION OF SIGNS ON THE FACADE THAT MAY MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEANER, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE THOUGHT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMPETITORS, WHETHER THEY'RE A COFFEE BRAND OR OTHERWISE, I'M SEEING, I'M SEEING DIGITAL SCIENCE POP UP.

I MEAN, DOES THIS LOOK LIKE IT'S SO BAD TO YOU? DOESN'T THE BAD THING.

I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE TON OF SITES.

I PROMISE YOU THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE IN HAVING, YOU KNOW, DUTCH BROS HAS GOT TO WANT TO SUPPORT X, Y, Z CHURCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THEIR CULTURE.

I THINK THAT'S PRETTY GOOD CULTURE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE PICTURES AND THE, IN THE RENDERINGS HERE, IT JUST DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS, YOU KNOW WHAT I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IT.

IT'S TOO MANY SIGNS LIKE TRAILER TRASH TYPE STUFF.

YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT DOES THE CLASSIC SIX CLIENTS CMV.

IT'S MY OPINION.

I DEFINITELY THINK THE CONSTRUCTION, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ELEMENTS THAT THEY'RE USING, THE COLORS, THE MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING WAS WHAT WAS CLASSY.

UH, MY QUESTION IS CAN WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF? AND THEN THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY PUT IN THE SIGN.

SO FREESTANDING LIMITED NO MORE THAN ONE SIDE OF THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN FACADES.

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UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DESIGN CONCEPT AND THEORY BEHIND THEIR BRANDING, I THINK IS CRITICAL THAT THEY HAVE A WINO ON THE TOWER.

UM, THAT TOWER WAS DESIGNED BASICALLY AROUND THE WINDMILL BEING ON THERE.

UH, AND THAT'S PART OF THEIR NATIONAL BRANDING SUCH AS THE, THE, AND THE YELLOW END FOR MCDONALD'S, THAT'S THE WINDMILL FOR DUTCH BROS.

SO HAVING THAT PIECE ON THERE IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TO MEETING THEIR BRANDING STANDARDS.

UH, AND, AND WITHOUT THAT WITH NON OR THEY HAVE REALLY NO LOGO PER SE, ON THE BUILDING FOR THEIR MAIN BRANDING ITEM, UH, WE CAN FOREGO THE SIGN ON THE, WHAT WE CALL THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.

I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE SHOPPING CENTER SIDE OF THE BUILDING BEFORE THAT, WITHOUT, BEFORE YOU NEGOTIATE AGAINST YOURSELF.

SO THE SAVVY RECOMMENDATION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE SIGNS YOU JUST DISCUSSED.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE, UH, UH, MENU AND, AND, UH, OR THE, THE SPECIALS AND THE, UH, CHARITABLE SIGNS THAT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN QUESTION, OKAY.

MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD.

NICHOLAS STAFF ALREADY RECOMMEND EACH SIDE YOU'VE GOT RATHER IS SIGN AND ALSO THE LOGO ON THE WEST SIDE.

SO THEY ALREADY HAVE APPROVED THAT RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THAT.

BUT THEN WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE INFORMATION MANUAL SIDE ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS SO THEY ARE SUGGESTING, AND YOU CAME IN EVEN INTO A MEETING, ONE LODGE OR ON THE SIDE, I'M SORRY.

I ONLY HEARD PART OF WHAT WAS SAID.

SO THE SIGNS ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING ARE BEING RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT SIGNS AT EYE LEVEL, AS YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND THE BUILDING ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED OR NOT, WHICH IS SCIENCE SIX, MAYBE NEW SCIENCE.

SO YES, SIX SIDES.

I MEAN, WHAT CAN YOU LIVE WITH? DO THEY REALLY NEED THE ONE BY THE PICKUP ONE DAY YOU'VE ALREADY BOUGHT? I MEAN, SO, SO TELL US YOUR, YOUR, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN LIVE WITH AS A MINIMUM? WE, INSTEAD OF HAVING SIX SIGNS, STAFF'S RECOMMENDING TWO MORE ON EACH SIDE.

SO, SO THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING TAKEAWAY FOR SIGNS YOU LIVE WITH THAT.

UM, WE LIVE WITH IT.

I'M NOT GOING TO KILL ANYBODY.

UM, THEY DO ALREADY EMPOWER HIM OR THE THREE ON THE DRIVERS WE SAW.

UM, WE COULD CAP THE MORE FOR MAYBE THE MIDDLE ONE, WHICH IS THE OLDEST STANDARD.

ACTUALLY.

THEY ONLY HAVE TWO BACKWARDS ON THE DRIVE THROUGH SIDE, AND HE USED TO HAVE THREE MAGNETS ON THE WAFFLES ARE NOW KNOWN TO EVERYONE.

IF WE CAN DO, UM, TWO BACKWARDS, ONE NEXT TO EACH WINDOW AT ONE BACK TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ON THE DRIVE THROUGH SIDE.

THINK THAT WAS NUMBER SEVEN.

I CAN'T RECALL.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD, I THINK THEY COULD LIVE WITH THAT WITHOUT MUCH GRUMBLING.

I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET PHONE CALLS FROM THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT.

WHERE'S THE WAY THAT HE IS.

CAN WE SEE THE NUMBER? IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE MORE THAN THE STOCK RECOMMENDATION AND STAFF WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.

WHAT'S REQUESTED IT'S REDUCING A TOTAL AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY REDUCING IT TO WHAT'S NEEDED PRIMARILY TO ORDER DRINKS.

SO, UH, IT'S AN APPROPRIATE REQUEST.

SO WHICH, WHICH NUMBERS ARE THOSE? UH, SO I BELIEVE IT'S SEVEN, FOUR, AND, UH, NICK IS AT EIGHT OR NINE.

UH, I DON'T RECALL CODIS HEARING YOU'RE SPRINGING IN WITH THAT.

HI, JAN.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A 7 4, 3, 3, 4 7 2 ON THE DRIVING.

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

TWO, FOUR AND SEVEN WOULD BE IN A PRIMARY 2 0 5 AND SEVEN.

ALRIGHT.

SO MANY ARE THERE WAS A MOTION ANY SECOND? YEAH.

UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU WANT TO CHECK AMANDA YOUR EMOTION? YEAH.

I'LL AMEND IT TO, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE TO APPROVE WITH, UH, LIMITING THE FREESTANDING SIGNAGE ATTACHED FREESTANDING ATTACH.

INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE IS LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN TWO ON ONE SIDE AND ONE ON, ON THE OTHER, JUST, JUST SPECIFIED NUMBER TWO, NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER SEVEN PROPERTIES.

CLEVER.

PRESENT DISCUSS CONSIDERATION ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT? EIGHT AC F GOOD EVENING.

AND THEN THOSE BE NUMBER TWO, NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER SEVEN SECOND.

AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE ONES THAT ARE .

SO WAIT, WAIT, THEY KEPT ALL THE DUTCH BROTHERS SIGNS, THREE SIDES AND A WEST SIDE LOGO IS THIS, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT ALSO INFORMATION INFORMATION MENU SIDE 24, 7, AND RIGHT THERE.

NUMBER FOUR.

IS THAT A WALKUP OR IS THAT A DRIVE? ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A MANDATE.

WE ALSO, LORI WARD IN A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

[10. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on the Acceptance of the Fiscal Year 2021 Annual Comprehensive Financial Report (ACFR). ]

MAYOR COUNCIL, STEVEN LIQUIN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER THIS EVENING FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE.

WE HAVE THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT.

THIS REPORT WAS PREPARED BY TOWN STAFF, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE AUDITORS, UH, OPINION PAGES THAT WERE, THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.

UM, UH, IT TAKES A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND EFFORT FOR, UH, STAFF TO PREPARE A REPORT LIKE THIS, UH, AMANDA TURNER OR CONTROLLER WHO'S HIDDEN BEHIND THE, UH, THE BLOCKADE NEAR, UM, AND, UH, AND HER ACCOUNTING TEAM DO A GREAT JOB OF PREPARING THIS REPORT EACH YEAR.

UH, THE TOWN RECEIVED AN UNMODIFIED OPINION, WHICH IS A CLEAN OPINION.

UH, THERE WERE NO PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS BY THE AUDITORS AGAIN THIS YEAR, WHICH IS A, I'M NOT AN AUDITOR, BUT THAT'S RARE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE KINDS OF, UH, PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS.

UH, SO, UH, AND WE HAVE RACHEL WARMS ME WITH BKD, OUR AUDIT FIRM, AND SHE'S GOING TO GO OVER THE RESULTS OF THEIR AUDIT.

I'M GOING TO PULL UP HER PRESENTATION AND SHE'LL GO OVER AND I'LL HELP NAVIGATE.

ALRIGHT, WELL GOOD.

ANYTHING MAYOR COUNCIL? I THINK I KNOW MOST EVERYBODY, BUT, UH, RACHEL ORMSBY WOULD BE KATIE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

I GUESS WE'LL SAY THAT SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LOVES GREAT NEWS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DELIVER FOR YOU TONIGHT.

SO IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME, UM, JUST HIGH-LEVEL AGENDA.

SO WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AUDIT SCOPE AND THE RESULTS.

SO, AS STEVEN MENTIONED, THE TOWN IS RECEIVING A CLEAN UNMODIFIED OPINION, AND I JUST KIND OF WANT TO REITERATE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THREE OPINIONS, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR.

UM, YOU'RE GETTING A CLEAN UNMODIFIED OPINION ON YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

SO THAT MEANS THAT WE CAME IN, WE DID OUR EXTERNAL AUDIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUDITING STANDARDS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE MATERIALLY, CORRECT IN ALL ASPECTS.

AND THEN THE SECOND TWO OPINIONS HERE ON THIS SLIDE, BECAUSE THE CITY, THE TOWN DID SPEND THE KEYWORD IS SPEND MORE THAN 750,000 AND FEDERAL EXPENDITURES.

YOU WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SINGLE AUDIT.

SO THAT'S THE SEPARATE SINGLE AUDIT OF YOUR FEDERAL BRANDS.

UM, THE TOWN DID RECEIVE YOUR FIRST TRAUNCH OF THE CORONAVIRUS STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS OF ABOUT 2.2 0.1 MILLION 2 MILLION GIVE OR TAKE.

AND SO THAT WAS THE MAJOR PROGRAM THAT WE HAD TO CAUGHT AT THIS YEAR.

SO BOTH CLEAN OPINIONS ON, UM, INTERNAL CONTROL, OVER COMPLIANCE, AS WELL AS COMPLIANCE.

AND THEN AS STEVEN MENTIONED, NO AUDIT ADJUSTMENTS.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE INTERIM REPORTS THAT YOU ALL WERE RECEIVING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

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UM, YOU CAN HAVE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE AND THEN ALSO NO MATERIAL WEAKNESSES OR SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES.

AND ALSO WHEN I'M POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF IS THAT THIS IS THE 45TH CONSECUTIVE YEAR THAT THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED GFA CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT AND EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL REPORTING.

SO A LOT OF THINGS, AND I READ A LOT OF, UM, ACT FIRST, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE LONGEST OUTSTANDING CONSECUTIVE YEARS THAT I'VE SEEN.

SO KUDOS TO YOUR TEAM.

UM, NEXT SLIDE HERE, WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME.

I KNOW YOU ALL READ THIS 200 PLUS PAGE DOCUMENT THAT STAFF PREPARED, BUT, UM, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED, I WILL SAY THAT THE MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS, THAT'S WHERE I ALWAYS LIKED TO POINT, UM, COUNCILS AND THOSE CHARGED WITH GOVERNANCE.

THAT'S KIND OF THE BEST PLACE TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR TOWN AND WHAT I LIKE TO CALL LAYMAN'S TERMS. UM, AND THEN ALSO NOTE ONE THAT JUST GOES INTO YOUR SIGNIFICANT ACCOUNTING POLICIES THAT THE TOWN HAS IN PLACE.

YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, EVERY SET OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS IS GOING TO CONTAIN AUDIT ESTIMATES AND JUDGMENTS.

AND SO AS PART OF OUR AUDIT, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED ON THIS SCREEN, WHERE THERE'S ESTIMATES THAT ARE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE AND DETERMINING WHAT ALLOWANCE THE TOWN NEEDS TO HAVE IN PLACE, WE KIND OF LOOK AT HISTORICAL COLLECTIONS AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ALLOWANCES ARE REASONABLE.

UM, THE OTHER TWO KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN RELATE TO YOUR PENSION AND OPEB LIABILITIES.

SO, UH, GRS IS THE TALENT'S ACTUARY.

AND SO WE GET THOSE ACTUAL RADIO REPORTS AND DO SOME CENSUS DATA TESTING AROUND THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ATTRIBUTES AND FACTORS THERE IN DETERMINING THOSE LIABILITIES ARE COMPLETE AND ACCURATE.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS KIND OF JUST A REPEAT.

UH, I PERSONALLY THINK THESE DISCLOSURES ARE IMPORTANT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, THOSE LIABILITIES THERE AND THEN SUBSEQUENT EVENTS.

I THINK THE TOWN DID ISSUE DEBT SUBSEQUENT TO YOUR END.

SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE SUBSEQUENT EVENTS ARE REFERRING TO.

UM, IT'S NOT AN AUDIT PRESENTATION AND WE'LL TALK IN A MINUTE ABOUT WHERE GATSBY'S HEADED.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO, UM, EVERY YEAR WE'RE CONSTANTLY IMPLEMENTING GASBY STANDARDS FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW GASBY IS THE, UM, ACCOUNTING STANDARD BOARD THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO FOLLOW AS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.

WE DID IMPLEMENT THREE STANDARDS THIS YEAR.

UM, GHAZNI 84 AND 97 IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER.

THEY DID NOT HAVE A MATERIAL IMPACT ON THE TOWN, BUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR YOU IS THAT YOU WERE DOING YOUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY AND YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND, UM, IMPLEMENTING THESE STANDARDS, TOM LEE, AND WHEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE IMPLEMENTED, OKAY.

NOW WHAT IS GATSBY DOING? SO LEASES, THAT'S BEEN A VERY HOT TOPIC.

WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

UM, LISA'S IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT YOU'RE IN.

SO FISCAL YEAR 22, UM, WHAT THIS STANDARD IS GOING TO DO IS IT'S NO LONGER EVALUATING CAPITAL LEASES VERSUS OPERATING LEASES.

SO, UM, CAPITAL LEASES HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY REPORTED ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND OPERATING LEASES HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN, JUST DISCLOSED IN THE FOOTNOTES.

SO NOW, AS YOU ARE MAKING BUSINESS DECISIONS AND DETERMINING WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO BUY VERSUS LEASE SOMETHING, JUST PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT, UM, ACCOUNTING, THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT ACCOUNTING AND FINANCE BECAUSE THE STANDARD IS GOING TO REQUIRE ANY LEASES THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, EXCEEDING A USEFUL LIFE OF MORE THAN ONE YEAR IN A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, UM, IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE PUT ON YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE STANDARD IS GROSSING UP YOUR BALANCE SHEET.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RIGHT TO USE ASSETS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEASE THIS ASSET.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CORRESPONDING LEASE LIABILITY.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO AMORTIZE THAT OVER THE LIFE OF THE LEASE.

AND THEN REVERSELY, WHEN YOU WERE THE LAST DOOR, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPOSITE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LEASE RECEIVABLE AT A CORRESPONDING LIABILITY.

SO, UM, WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN ON THIS.

I KNOW THAT THE AIRPORT IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMPACT OUT THERE.

SO JUST MAKING SURE, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY HOSTING A SEMINAR IN A FEW WEEKS, ONCE EVERYBODY GETS THEIR AUDITS DONE AND BEFORE BUDGET TO START WORKING ON THIS.

SO THAT'S, LISA'S, UM, 96, VERY SIMILAR.

UM, THIS WILL BE IN EFFECT IN 23.

SO WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IS FOR ANY SUBSCRIPTION-BASED TECHNOLOGY ARRANGEMENT ARRANGEMENTS.

SO ANY CLOUD BASED COMPUTING, SOFTWARE AGREEMENTS, SUBSCRIPTION AGREEMENTS THAT THE TOWN HAS VERY SIMILARLY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A SUBSCRIPTION ASSETS ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, ALONG WITH A LIABILITY, UM, AND AMORTIZE THAT OVER THE LIFE OF THE AGREEMENT.

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YES, IT IS JUST GOING TO MAKE HER FINANCIAL STATEMENTS LONGER, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S JUST GROSSING UP.

IT HAS NO IMPACT ON THAT POSITION, NO IMPACT THE BALANCE SHEET.

IT JUST MAKES THEM LONGER.

THAT'S IT? YEAH.

SO THE SUBSCRIPTION IS THAT, UH, FOR SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT HAVE A TERM OR A BIT LIKE, WHAT IF IT'S JUST A MONTH TO MONTH SUBSCRIPTION? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING I'M JUST THERE.

THEY'RE ALL GOOGLING.

THEY'RE ALL GOING ON.

IT'S GOING TO BE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EVALUATE THIS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FAQ THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AROUND THE STANDARD.

I WILL SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, EUNICE ERP SYSTEMS WHERE, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY CITIES, GOVERNMENTS OWN THESE ASSETS.

SO IT WAS JUST PART OF YOUR, WHEN YOU, YOUR ERP WAS JUST PART OF YOUR CAPITAL ASSETS, YOU HAD THAT AS A CATALOG SET.

YOU'D APPRECIATED IT NOW.

WE'RE KIND OF MOVING TO THE CLOUD-BASED SUBSCRIPTION-BASED, IT'S NOT CLOUD-BASED WELL THEN THERE WE GO.

SO, UM, OKAY, WELL, SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT AGAIN, UM, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, IS GOING TO IMPACT NET POSITION.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ASSET AND A CORRESPONDING LIABILITY.

UM, AS I LIKE TO SAY, IT'S JUST INFLATING THE GROSSING UP NUMBERS.

UM, SO ANYWAY, LIKE BIG NUMBERS.

AND GASBY GOOD JOB SECURITY FOR ALL OF US, I GUESS, BECAUSE THERE'S CONSTANTLY SOMETHING NEW THAT WE HAVE TO EVALUATE.

I HAVE A CLIENT THAT SAYS EVERY TIME GATSBY ISSUES, A STANDARD THAT COSTS ME $10,000 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL THE WORK THAT THEY MAKE CONSULTING.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, SO I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TELL YOU WHAT GATSBY IS DOING.

AND SO THE MONEY WE'RE SAVING BY GOING TO SUBSCRIPTION WITH THE PAIN TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND THAT SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES EVERY YEAR.

AND I WILL SAY, I WILL SAY AS WITH EVERYTHING, THERE'S A MATERIALITY THRESHOLD INVOLVED.

SO WILLIE EVALUATE THESE THINGS, MY COPIER LEASES, THINGS THAT ARE NOT MATERIAL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR BALANCE SHEET, WHICH IS VERY HEALTHY, THERE IS A MATERIALITY FACTOR THERE.

SO EXCELLENT.

UM, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GOING TO IMPACT.

Y'ALL THERE IS A STANDARD COMING OUT NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO ADD A LITTLE BLURB IN OUR AUDIT OPINION.

THAT JUST BASICALLY LETS IT THE READERS OF THE FINANCIALS KNOW THAT WE'VE EVALUATED THE TOWN FOR GOING CONCERN.

AND OF COURSE WE THINK THAT YOU'RE HEALTHY FINANCIALLY STABLE, NO GOING CONCERN ISSUES THERE.

UM, SO IF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THE AUDIT OPINION, IT WILL HAVE AN EXTRA PARAGRAPH NEXT YEAR.

UM, NOT THAT I HAVE ANY CONCERN FOR YOU ALL, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NOT LOSE SIGHT AND FOCUS OF CYBER SECURITY.

SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, ESPECIALLY GOING THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

UM, A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS HAVE HAD CYBER SECURITY ATTACKS THAT HAVE LEFT THEM, UH, LOSING MONTHS WORTH OF DATA AND PUTTING THEM BEHIND ON THEIR AUDITS.

SO I KNOW THE STATE OF TEXAS, OUR GOVERNOR ISSUED A STATE LAW A WHILE BACK.

AND SO ALL OF YOU HAVE SOME CYBER SECURITY TRAINING THAT I KNOW IS DUE THE SUMMER.

SO JUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.

UM, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON NUMBERS BECAUSE ON A STEVEN DOES A GREAT JOB OF THAT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT HAVE YOU HAAS, SO THE TOWN DOES HAVE A FINANCIAL STANDARD TO MAINTAIN A GENERAL MINIMUM FUND BALANCE OF 30% OF BUDGET EXPENDITURES.

UM, AS YOU SEE ON THIS SCREEN, YOU DO EXCEED THAT AT YEAR END.

I ALWAYS WANT TO POINT OUT THOUGH, THAT UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE DOES NOT REPRESENT CASH.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GO SPEND TODAY.

I'M ASSUMING, UM, STAFF HAVE PLANS, RIGHT? FOR COMMITMENTS.

THERE'S PROBABLY ENCUMBRANCES SAYINGS FOR THIS 19 MILLION, BUT I DO JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AND POINT OUT THAT YOU HAVE A POLICY AND YOU HAVE EXCEEDED IT AT YEAR END, AND THEN YOU EXCEED WAYS, BEST PRACTICE.

THEY RECOMMEND TWO MONTHS, UM, OF UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.

AND YOU DO EXCEED THAT.

AND THEN, UM, PENSIONS, I KNOW WES IS FAVORITE TOPIC A FEW YEARS AGO IS THE, UH, TLRS PENSION PLAN FUNDED STATUS.

UM, 98.4% FUNDED.

WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THE METROPLEX, SOME OF THE OTHER PENSION PLANS ARE NOT THAT FULL OR ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED.

LIKE YOU ALL ARE SO IMPORTANT JUST TO NOTE THAT THIS IS CALENDAR YEAR.

SO WHILE THIS IS YOUR NON 30, 21 FISCAL YEAR, THIS PENSION PLAN IS MEASURED AS OF CALENDAR YEAR 2020.

SO VERY, VERY HEALTHY SOMETHING TO BE EXTREMELY PROUD OF AND THAT'S NOT PRESENTATION.

SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM, BUT JUST WANT TO THANK STEVEN AND AMANDA FOR ALL THEIR HARD

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WORK.

UM, YOU ALL ARE ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES IN THE METROPLEX THAT WENT AHEAD AND SPENT YOUR CORONAVIRUS RELIEF, FUNDS MONEY.

UM, SO KUDOS TO Y'ALL FOR PAVING THE WAY ON THAT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THOSE FUNDS.

AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE WORKING WITH EVERYONE.

SO THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT OF COURSE, ANY MORE QUESTION OR RACHEL OR STEVEN, THE MAYOR, BUT I, I DO, I JUST WANT TO GO, UH, STEVEN AND AMANDA AND THEIR TEAM DO AN AMAZING JOB AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE WORKING WITH BKD AND THEIR, THEIR TEAMS. SO, UM, AS, AS WAS SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE CONSECUTIVE YEARS IN WHICH THE, THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY IS, UH, IMPRESSIVE.

AND, UH, THE EFFORT THAT WE DO, NOT ONLY TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE INFORMATION IS PRESENTED RIGHT, BUT THE RIGHT WAY, BUT HOW WE MANAGE OUR, OUR FINANCIALS, UM, FROM AN INTERNAL CONTROL PERSPECTIVE AND OTHER THINGS IS, IS STELLAR.

SO I WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU TO OUR FINANCE TEAM FOR THE EXCELLENT WORK THAT MUCH.

DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS, THE MAYOR? SO, UM, I THINK, OR JASON TRAVELED HERE FOR THIS.

SO HE IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM JASON.

SO EXCUSE ME.

TO NUT, I'VE BEEN NUMBER TWO, THREE, THEN DISCUSS THE SURVEY RESULTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAYOR CITY, SECRETARY IRMA PARKER DID MENTION THAT THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM FOR THE COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THE ANNUAL PLAN.

SECOND .

WHY DO YOU FAVOR TO ACCEPT THIS CFR REPORT TO BCI? I OPPOSE WE GO BACK

[2. Present and Discuss the 2021 Resident Survey Results.]

GOOD AT YOU.

MAYOR COUNCIL, BILL HALL, DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES WITH US TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS FROM OUR 2021 RESIDENT SURVEY IS JASON MARRANO FROM TC INSTITUTE.

SO WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO JASON.

SO THOSE WERE THE MALE ONES.

THANKS.

GOOD EVENING HOUR.

I'LL GIVE US KIND OF A CLIFF NOTES VERSION OF THIS.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME OUT.

UM, ONE IS JASON RONO, ETC INSTITUTE, AND WE'RE A MARKETING RESEARCH FIRM THAT SPECIALIZES IN CONDUCTING COMMUNITY SURVEYS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

AND WE JUST FINISHED FOR THE SECOND TIME, CONDUCTED A COMMUNITY SURVEY FOR THE TOWN OF MADISON.

SO TODAY I'LL GO THROUGH THE RESULTS AT A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL.

THE FULL REPORT IS VERY DETAILED AND COMPREHENSIVE.

SO TONIGHT I'LL JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE KEY FINDINGS FROM THE SURVEY.

THIS IS JUST ONE QUICK SLIDE ABOUT ETC.

IT'S AS TO, TO OUR NATIONAL LEADER, PROVIDING MARKET RESEARCH FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

UH, THIS IS JUST A QUICK RUNDOWN OF WHAT I'LL BE GOING THROUGH TODAY.

UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS TO CONDUCT A SURVEY LIKE THIS ONE IS TO GET AN OBJECTIVE ASSESSMENT, HOW SATISFIED AS RESIDENTS ARE WITH MAJOR COUNCIL SERVICES, AND ALSO TO DETERMINE WHAT AS TO WHAT THE TOP PRIORITIES ARE FOR YOUR RESIDENTS.

MOST OF THE QUESTIONS ON THIS SURVEY ON THE SAME ONES THAT WE ASKED IN 2018.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO MEASURE TRENDS AND COMPARE THESE RESULTS TO LAST TIME.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO COMPARE YOUR RESULTS WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO THIS SURVEY WAS ADMINISTERED BY A COMBINATION OF MAIL AND ONLINE TO RANDOMLY SELECT AS RESIDENTS.

WE ENDED UP WITH 401 COMPLETED SURVEYS.

OUR GOAL WAS 400.

SO WE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.

AND THE RESULTS AT THE 95% LEVEL OF COMPETENCE HAVE A MARGIN OF ERROR PLUS, OR MINUS 4.9%.

THAT MAKES IT, WE CONDUCTED THIS SURVEY THE SAME WAY, A HUNDRED TIMES 95 TIMES THE RESULTS OF THE PLUS MINUS 4.9% FROM WHAT WE'RE REPORTING.

SO THE RESULTS AREN'T PERFECT, BUT THE MARGIN OF ERROR IS LOVING.

HERE.

WE HAVE A MAP OF ADDISON.

THE RED DOTS ARE HOUSEHOLDS THAT COMPLETED THE SURVEY, AND I KNOW THE DOGS ARE REALLY TINY, SO IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THIS MAP, BUT THE DISTRIBUTION IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD ON THE LAST SURVEY.

AND AS WE WERE ADMINISTERING THE SURVEY, WE MAKE SURE WE HAD GOOD REPRESENTATION BY KEY DEMOGRAPHIC AREAS.

SO JUST AGE, RACE, ETHNICITY, GENDER.

I HAVE A QUESTION SURE.

WHEN THE A HUNDRED AND THE 401, THOSE WERE MAILED OR AN REQUESTED MAIL, AND I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE STREET.

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THOSE ONES WERE MAILED OUT IN THE PAST FOR THE 2018 SURVEY.

WE INDICATED THAT ANYBODY WHO HAD NOT RECEIVED ONE WHO WANTED ONE COULD REQUEST A SURVEY AND THAT THEY COULD COMPLETE IT AND SUBMIT IT TO STAFF.

UH, WE DID THAT SAME THING IN THIS, UH, FOR 2021.

AND WE RECEIVED A BILL IS YOU'RE STILL AROUND.

WE THINK WE RECEIVED ABOUT SEVEN REQUESTS FOR SURVEYS.

UM, AND WHEN MEANING, THEY SAID, HEY, WE WANT A SURVEY, BUT WE'VE NEVER, WE NEVER GOTTEN, HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM THEM.

SO THIS, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE T YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT REQUESTED SURVEYS TO BE FILLED OUT IN HARD BEFORE.

SO TRY THIS AND REQUEST ONE.

THEY DON'T DO IT.

YOU JUST, AND THIS AND THIS AT THIS TIME, FOR WHATEVER REASON WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY.

SO IF YOU GOT IT, IF YOU GOT SOMETHING IN THE MAIL INDICATING THAT YOU COULD RESPOND TO THE SURVEY AND YOU EITHER DID IT ONLINE OR HARD COPY, THIS IS WHAT THOSE RESULTS ARE.

I DIDN'T DO IT.

I DID RECEIVE IT.

YOU KNOW WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.

IF I WANT TO DO IT, I WRITE IT EVERYTHING.

NUMBER ONE, NUMBER ONE, MAJOR TO, WELL, YOU SEE THE RESULTS ARE VERY GOOD.

SO PEOPLE FEEL THE SAME WAY.

UM, WHAT DO YOU HAVE THOSE 401 COMPLETED SURVEYS.

THOSE ARE HOUSEHOLDS SELECTED RANDOM TO RECEIVE A SURVEY.

UM, SO HERE, OUR MAIN CONCLUSION FROM THE SURVEY YOU FOUND THAT RESIDENTS HAVE A VERY POSITIVE PERCEPTION OF THE TOWN.

UH, 96% OF RESPONDENTS ARE SATISFIED WITH ADDISON AS A PLACE TO LIVE.

AND 95% WERE SATISFIED WITH THE OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE AND ADDISON.

WE ALSO FOUND THAT TOWN'S MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UH, CONDUCTED THE SURVEY THE FIRST TIME IN 2018.

AND THIS TIME THE SATISFACTION RATINGS HAVE INCREASED IN 59 OF THOSE 92 AREAS.

AND THERE ARE 16 AREAS THAT HAD A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN SATISFACTION.

SO 5% OR MORE, AND THAT'S ESPECIALLY IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE THE RESULTS WERE EXCELLENT IN 2018.

AND WE'VE LIVED THROUGH A PANDEMIC FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

UM, SO THAT'S REALLY AMAZING THAT THE RESULTS HAVE APPROVED THAT MUCH SINCE THE LAST SURVEY 2018.

HOW MANY DID WE HAVE, HOW MANY COMPLETED SURVEYS, CORRECT.

IT WAS A LITTLE OVER 400 TO GET THE NUMBER, BUT IT WAS WORLDWIDE.

IT'S LIKE 407 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WE FOUND THAT SATISFACTION WITH TOWN SERVICES IS MUCH HIGHER AND ADDISON OTHER COMMUNITIES.

UM, THIS WAS NO SURPRISE BECAUSE THIS WAS THE CASE LAST TIME AS WELL, YOU RATED ABOVE THE US AVERAGE AND 57 58 AREAS IN THE COMPARED AND THE RATES SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER IN ALL 57 OF THOSE AREAS.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT ESPECIALLY STOOD OUT.

ONE IS THE OVERALL QUALITY ACCOUNT SERVICES.

THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEY, BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING RESIDENTS TO CONSIDER ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING.

UM, AND YOU RATED 32 OR SOME OF THE U S AVERAGE.

AND THEN ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE YOU RATED THE FARTHEST ABOVE THE US AVERAGE IS CUSTOMER SERVICE AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES.

UM, THEY'RE, YOU'RE READY AT 45% ABOVE AVERAGE, AND THEN THE TOP OVERALL PRIORITIES OR TRAFFIC FLOW CONGESTION, UM, STREAM MAINTENANCE AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO WE'LL LOOK AT SOME GENERAL PERCEPTIONS RESIDENTS HAVE A TOWN HERE.

WE ASKED RESIDENTS TO RATE THEIR PERCEPTIONS IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE DARK BLUE ARE THOSE WHO ARE VERY SATISFIED, LIGHT BLUE, SATISFIED.

UH, THE GRAY IS NEUTRAL, WHICH WE INTERPRETED AS LEADING EXPECTATIONS IS THE RATING OF THREE OF THE FIVE POINT SCALE, AND THEN THE PINK OR THOSE WHO ARE DISSATISFIED OR VERY DISSATISFIED.

SO OVERALL, OBVIOUSLY THE PODS HAVE RAISED THE BAR AWAY, THE NEGATIVE FOR ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES.

OVER 90% OF RESPONDENTS ARE SATISFIED WITH ADDISON AS A PLACE TO LIVE WITH THE OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE.

YOU DON'T THINK OVERALL IMAGE TOWN.

THIS WAS THE VERY FIRST QUESTION ON THE SURVEY.

AND HERE, WE'RE ASKING YOUR RESIDENTS TO RATE MAJOR CATEGORIES, ACCOUNT SERVICES.

SO HERE, WE'RE ASKING RESIDENTS TO RATE THESE AREAS AT THE BIG PICTURE DEPARTMENTAL LEVEL.

AND THEN LATER ON IN THE SURVEY, WE ASKED ABOUT SOME SPECIFIC AREAS WITHIN SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES.

SO AGAIN, THE POSITIVE RAYS BAR AWAY, THE NEGATIVE, THE LOWEST RATED AREA WAS TRAFFIC FLOW AND CONGESTION.

BUT EVEN FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, 55% SATISFIED COMPARED TO 21% THAT SATISFIED, AND YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHEST RATE, EXCUSE ME, WHICH ONE WAS THAT ONE? UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, WHICH IS THE BOTTOM ROW.

AND THEN 21% DISSATISFIED.

SO 55%, EITHER VERY SATISFIED OR SATISFIED BLUE,

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AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHEST RATED AREAS ARE PUBLIC SAFETY, PARKS, RECREATION, WATER, AND SEWER, AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.

AND THEN HERE WE ASK RESIDENTS HOW SAFE THEY FEEL IN VARIOUS SITUATIONS.

AND YOU SEE RESIDENTS FEEL SAFE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD DURING THE DAY AND AT NIGHT, UM, OVERALL OVER 90% OF RESIDENTS FEEL SAFE FROM THE TOWN.

THE AREA RATED THE LOWEST AS TRAVELING BY BICYCLE, UH, 51% FEEL SAFE, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY UP 6% FROM THE SURVEY THREE YEARS AGO.

SO IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY AREAS THEY ARE.

AND THEN FOR COMMUNICATION.

UM, HERE'S A MAP.

I'LL SHOW EXAMPLES OF THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT MAPS WHERE WE BROKE RESULTS OUT BY CENSUS BLOCK GROUP.

SO THOSE ARE VERY SMALL AREAS THAT I'LL SHOW A FEW EXAMPLES OF THOSE NOW.

UM, SO WE'VE FOUND THAT RESIDENTS IN ALL PARTS OF MADISON ARE SATISFIED WITH THE OVERALL QUALITY OF COUNT SERVICES.

SO HERE YOU CAN SEE A MAP OF MADISON.

WE BROKE THE RESULTS OUT BY CENSUS BLOCK GROUPS.

THESE ARE VERY SMALL AREAS.

AND WHAT THIS DOES IS TELLS US RESIDENTS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TOWN WILL RATE SERVICES DIFFERENTLY, OR HAVE DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS OF THE TOWN.

AND WE CREATED A MAP LIKE THIS FOR EVERY QUESTION ASKED ON A FIVE POINT SCALE.

SO THERE'S ABOUT A HUNDRED MAPS IN THE REPORT, OR AS A SEPARATE APPENDIX IN THE MAIN REPORT.

THIS MAP IS FOR THE OVERALL QUALITY OF COUNT SERVICES.

UM, HE SEE THE ENTIRE MAP IS BLUE.

DOES THAT TELLS US THAT RESIDENTS OF ALL PARTS OF THE TOWN ARE SATISFIED WITH THE OVERALL QUALITY COUNTS SERVICES.

SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS EVEN IF THE RATES ARE VERY POSITIVE OVERALL, WOULD YOU START BREAKING IT INTO THESE SMALLER GEOGRAPHIC AREAS? YOU'LL SEE SOME POCKETS WHERE RESIDENTS ARE DISSATISFIED OR FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GETTING AS GOOD A SERVICES AS PEOPLE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE TOWN.

SO ANYTIME THE ENTIRE MAP IS BLUE, THAT MEANS YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, PROVIDING THE SERVICES EQUALLY IN ALL AREAS, THIS MAPS FOR THE VALUE RECEIVED FOR TAX DOLLARS AND FEES.

I WANT TO SHOW THIS MAP BECAUSE IT'S UNUSUAL FOR THIS APP TO BE COMPLETELY BLUE.

UM, USUALLY THERE'S AT LEAST SOME AREAS WHERE RESIDENTS AREN'T AS SATISFIED WITH THE VALUE OF THEIR TAX DOLLARS.

AND THIS MAP IS FOR ADDISON AS A PLACE TO LIVE AND SEE THE ENTIRE MAP IS DARK BLUE.

IT'S THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE RATING.

SO I MENTIONED THAT SATISFACTION RATES ARE MUCH HIGHER AS SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES YOU RATED ABOVE THE US AND THE TEXAS AVERAGE AND 57 OUT OF 58 AREAS.

SO OVER THESE NEXT FEW CHARTS, THE BLUE LINES BLUE LINE HAS THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE EITHER VERY SATISFIED OR SATISFIED THE RED BAR IN THE SATISFACTION RATINGS FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS IN THE GRAY FOR ALL ACROSS THE U S.

AND THIS IS BASED ON A NATIONAL SURVEY THAT IS, DOES EVERY YEAR WITH RANDOMLY SELECTED RESIDENTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UH, SO THIS FIRST CHARGED WERE MAJOR CATEGORIES OF SERVICES AND SEE IN ALL 10 AREAS, YOUR WAVES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE THE REGIONAL NATIONAL AVERAGE.

ONE OF THE AREAS THAT REALLY STANDS OUT IS CUSTOMER SERVICE.

FOURTH ROW DOWN, YOU HAVE AN 86% SATISFACTION RATING, AND YOU SEE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 41%.

THEN ANOTHER AREA THAT REALLY STOOD OUT IS COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC.

YOU HAVE AN 80% SATISFACTION RATING.

NATIONAL AVERAGE IS LESS THAN HALF THAT 38%, YOUR LOWEST RATE AREAS ARE STREETS AND TRAFFIC FLOW.

BUT EVEN FOR THOSE, YOU CAN SEE YOUR NUMBERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE REGIONALLY NATIONALLY HERE, COMPARISONS FOR PERCEPTIONS.

UM, AGAIN, MUCH HIGHER, UH, SEVEN OR THE EIGHT AREAS.

UH, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT REALLY STANDS OUT IS OVERALL QUALITY OF SERVICES.

AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEY, AND YOU'RE 32% ABOVE THE US AVERAGE.

THEN ANOTHER AREA THAT REALLY STANDS OUT IS VALUE RECEIVED FOR TAX DOLLARS.

YOU HAVE A 74% SATISFACTION RATING, WHICH IS LOWER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES.

WHEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS ONLY 34% AND THEN HERE COMPARISONS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS INCLUDES A VARIETY OF TOPICS, CLEANLINESS STREETS, A CONDITION OF NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS AND MAJOR STREETS.

AND IN ALL EIGHT AREAS, UM, YOUR RATINGS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

THEY'RE NOT QUITE AS FAR ABOVE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONDITION OF MAJOR TOWN, STREETS AND TRAFFIC FLOW.

UM, BUT THEY'RE STILL SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

AND THEN TO HEAR COMPARISONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, AGAIN, ALL 11 AREAS, MUCH HIGHER THAN NATIONAL AND REGIONAL AVERAGE IS INCLUDES A VARIETY OF SERVICES AS WELL, RELATED TO YOUR FIRE EMS POLICE,

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UM, ALL FIVE AREAS ARE MORE THAN 20% OF THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

SO I MENTIONED THAT OVERALL, UM, THINGS HAVE IMPROVED SINCE 2018, UM, AND THE RESULTS WERE REALLY, REALLY GOOD BACK THEN.

UH, THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN 59 AREAS DECREASE IN 33, AND THAT INCLUDES 16 AREAS WITH A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN SATISFACTION, ONLY SIX AREAS THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT DECREASE.

SO FOR THESE NEXT FEW CHARTS, THE BLUE LINE, OUR RESIDENTS WERE EITHER VERY SATISFIED OR SATISFIED IN THIS SURVEY, THE GRADE OF THAT SATISFACTION RATINGS FOR 2018.

SO THIS FIRST ONE'S FOR PERCEPTIONS OF THE TOWN, THE RATINGS INCREASE IN NINE OF THE 13 AREAS.

UM, IF YOU LOOK ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN OVERALL QUALITY, LOCAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES, 81% WERE SATISFIED IN 2018, UH, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE THIS YEAR.

THAT NUMBER IS EVEN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AT 83%.

AND THEN THERE WERE THREE AREAS THAT HAD A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE COMPARED TO LAST TIME, UM, AS SOON AS A PLACE TO RETIRE, TRUST AND TOWN STAFF WISELY USING COUNTY RESOURCES AND IN SATISFACTION WITH THE TOWN STEWARDSHIP OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES, THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT DECREASES HERE.

COMPARISONS FOUR MAJOR CATEGORIES, TOWN SERVICES, UH, THE RATINGS AND INCREASE IN EIGHT OF THE 11 AREAS.

IN MOST CASES, THEY'RE SMALL INCREASES BETWEEN ONE AND 3%.

UM, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN WATER AND SEWER AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC.

THERE WERE DECREASES OF 4% IN OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGH VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS, AND THEN THE OVERALL MATES SHIRTS WE GOT, W WHAT WAS INCREASED VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS. UM, I MEAN, COVID PROBABLY HAD AN IMPACT ON THAT.

I IMAGINE THERE'S LESS OPPORTUNITIES TO VOLUNTEER FOR PROGRAMS, UM, AND THEN STREETS, AT LEAST NOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.

I THINK THAT PROBABLY HAS A ROLE, BUT IN THAT I KNOW I DROVE THROUGH ON THE WAY FROM A HOTEL OVER HERE TONIGHT, AND THEN SOLID WASTE IS THE AREA THAT HAD SOME OF THE BIGGEST INCREASES IN SATISFACTION.

UM, SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN YARD WASTE, CURBSIDE RECYCLING, UH, BULKY ITEM PICKUP HOUSEHOLD HAS THIS WASTE DISPOSAL AND ELECTRONIC WASTE DISPOSAL FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

FOR MOST OF THESE AREAS, THE RATINGS WERE SIMILAR TO 2018, BUT THERE WERE DECREASES OF 6% OR MORE WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEW PARENTS THAT THE CONDITION OF MEDIANS, UH, PAVEMENT MARKINGS ON THE STREETS, AND THEN THE CONDITIONER MAJOR CAB STREETS, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK THE TALK IS THE MAJOR REASON FOR THAT.

NO, I THINK THAT'S IT BECAUSE OF MIDDLEWEIGHT OR, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING THAT IN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, NOT A BREAK, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOING BACK, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S DONE IT WILL BE HAPPY.

AND THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, ALSO, EVEN THE AREAS THAT HAVE DECREASED, THEY'RE STILL, THE RAINS ARE STILL MUCH BETTER THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOWN COMPARED TO LAST TIME, BUT STILL GOOD, UH, RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

AND THEN COMMUNICATION IS ANOTHER AREA THAT HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN SATISFACTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO EFFORTS, RESIDENTS FORMED, UH, YOUR WEBSITES AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUTS INTO THE DECISIONS.

SO NOW WE'LL LOOK AT TOP PRIORITIES.

UH, ON THE FIRST QUESTION ON THE SURVEY, WE ASKED RESIDENTS HOW SATISFIED THEY ARE WITH THE MAJOR CATEGORIES OF COUNTY SERVICES.

AS A FOLLOWUP QUESTION, WE ASKED, WHICH OF THESE RECEIVED THE MOST EMPHASIS FROM COUNT LEADERS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

SO THE TOP TWO PRIORITIES ARE MAIN SENSE STREETS, TRAFFIC FLOW OF DEJECTION.

THOSE WERE THE TOP TWO LAST TIME AS WELL, BUT THE ORDER WAS FLIPPED, REVERSED.

LAST TIME, TRAVELING CLOSE ONCE STREETS WAS TWO.

AND THEN THE THIRD, FOURTH PRIORITIES ARE THE SAME AS THEY WERE LAST TIME, PUBLIC SAFETY AND THEN PARKS, RECREATION.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE CALL THE IMPORTANT SATISFACTION RATING.

AND THIS ANALYSIS IS BASED ON TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF DATA.

FIRST, WE ASKED RESIDENTS HOW SATISFIED THEY ARE WITH SERVICES.

AND THEN AS A FOLLOWUP WE ASK, WHICH SERVICES SHOULD RECEIVE THE MOST EMPHASIS CAL LEADERS.

SO THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THE AREAS THAT HAVE THAT COMBINATION OF LOWER SATISFACTION, BUT SAME TIME WHERE THE MOST IMPORTANT SHOULD BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES, UM, DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD IGNORE THE GREEN PRIORITIES, UH, BUT MAKING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE HIGHER PRIORITIES IMPACT THE GREATER NUMBER OF RESIDENTS.

UM, SO THIS IS FOR MAJOR CATEGORIES OF SERVICES.

THE TOP PRIORITY IS TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THE AREA RED SECOND HIGHEST PRIORITY IS YOUR ROLE MAINTENANCE TOWN

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STREETS.

THOSE WERE ONE AND TWO IN THE LAST SURVEY AS WELL.

HERE ARE THE IMPORTANT SATISFACTION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE ARE TWO AREAS THAT ARE THE HIGH PRIORITIES, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW AND MAJOR STREETS.

AND THEN THE CONDITION, THE MAJOR STREETS TIMING, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS CAME IN THIRD AND JUST DISMISSED ON TO THAT HIGH PRIORITY CATEGORY.

AND THEN FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, THE TOP PRIORITY IS VISIBILITY OF POLICE OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

UH, VISIBILITY OF POLICE AND RETAIL CAME ALSO VERY CLOSE TO BEING A HIGH PRIORITY.

AND HERE WE ASKED RESIDENTS TO RATE THE IMPORTANCE OF FUNDING FOR TAX DOLLARS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS.

SO THE TOP PRIORITIES ARE MAINTAINING INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC SAFETY AND TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. SO JUST A QUICK RECAP, WE SAW RESIDENTS HAVE A VERY POSITIVE PERCEPTION OF THE TOWN.

UM, THE RATINGS HAVE IMPROVED 59 I NINE TO TWO AREAS, WHICH IS AMAZING.

IT'S THERE AND HOW GOOD THE RESULTS WERE THREE YEARS AGO.

AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, YOUR BRAINS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN MOST CATEGORIES, JUST ABOUT EVERY CATEGORY AND THE TOP PRIORITIES TRACKING, FLOODING CONGESTION MAKE SENSE OF STREETS AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS THAT FOR EVERY TIME, UH, STREETS IS ALWAYS, ALWAYS ONE OF THE TOP OR TOP PRIORITIES.

I MEAN, THE ORDER, THE ORDER COULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE.

THOSE, THOSE ARE ALSO, IT'S TOUGH.

SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT OR COMMUNICATION, BUT MOST OFTEN THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE DEFINITELY THE TOP ONES.

THAT WAS EVERYTHING I HAD.

ANYTHING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS? I WAS REALLY PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS IN, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RESULTS THAT WERE NOT AS GREAT AS WE'D LIKE, AND WE'VE GOT VERY HIGH EXPECTATIONS HERE.

UM, BUT FOR INSTANCE, ON THE STREETS AND TRAFFIC, I JUST, I WONDER WHAT THOSE RESULTS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN WE DO THE NEXT SURVEY AFTER MIDWAY'S, IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

IF YOU DRIVE ON PARKWAY AND CUT A SPREE, PROBABLY THE WORST.

NO, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GET SALESFORCE.

SO, SO, YOU KNOW, IF, EVEN THOUGH WE FINISHED WITH COMPLETE MIDWAY ROAD, WE STILL RECEIVED BY BAD REVIEW, UH, EL PORTAL PARKWAY AND ESPECIALLY PHYLLIS, THIS IS WHEN YOU TAKE TIME TO GET EVERYTHING DONE.

WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESULTS GEOGRAPHICALLY AROUND TOWN OR INTERVIEW, YOU SEE THAT THE NEGATIVE SCORES FROM THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IMMEDIATELY TO MIDWAY ROAD KEEP TRACK.

YOU CAN TRACK IT.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO CHANGE TO TELL HER SPRING PARKWAY LATER.

BUT, UM, SO I, I JUST THINK WHEN WE GET DONE WITH MIDWAY ROAD OR RESULTS, CAN YOU REMIND US JASON, THAT THE DATES THAT YOU PUT THOSE OUT, IT WAS ADMINISTERED THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF DECEMBER AND THEN A LITTLE BIT INTO JANUARY 1ST, COUPLE OF MONTHS OF JANUARY.

AND THAT IS AT THE SAME TIME OF THE YEAR.

YOU DID IT LAST TIME.

I ACTUALLY REMEMBER.

I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK WE DID IT EARLIER IN THE MEETING.

UH, SO INSTEAD OF JANUARY, I THINK IT WAS SUMMER DISH, UH, IN 2018.

SO JUNE, JULY, YEAH.

WHAT ARE YOU GONNA MOVE HERE? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA MOVE HERE? AM I GOING TO MOVE HERE? I DON'T KNOW.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO HERE.

YOU KNOW, OVERALL, I'M ALWAYS PROUD OF ALL THE TIME.

I THINK THIS LONG, THE BEST I'M GOING TO SAY GOD TO BE THE BEST, BUT WITH ALL THIS GOOD AS STAFF TO THE COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY ABBY ADDISON IS NUMBER ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON EXCEPT THIS NO, THE WORLD IS SYSTEM WORK SESSION.

UH, YOU KNOW, SET THAT DIRECTION AND STAFF THAT IS, HAS EXECUTED THAT DIRECTION AND IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY AND IN A PROFESSIONAL WAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? SO, YOU KNOW, IT, THIS, THIS IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN 2018.

IN FACT, WE'RE GOING IN A, EVEN MORE RIGHT DIRECTION, 2021.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THAT.

I TAKE CONSTANTLY.

I LIKE IT THERE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE IN BEING PART OF A GROUP IT'S THAT,

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AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M QUITE PROUD OF IF YOU'RE HERE AND WE ALL STRIVE TO HAVE A NICE PLACE TO, TO LIVE AND WORK.

AND I MEAN, THIS, THIS COULDN'T BE BETTER.

UH, I MEAN, I'M JUST SO THRILLED.

SO THANKS FOR DOING THIS WAY, SEX RE-EXECUTE AND ALL THIS IT'S WONDERFUL REFLECTION ON YOU AND STAFF AS WELL.

AND, UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE FOR THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, HELPING TO BRING THAT PROFESSIONALISM TO, TO THE PROCESS.

AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS VALUE TO US SO WELL DOWN AND DO KEEP, KEEP, KEEP IT UP.