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[1. Call Meeting to Order]
SESSION AND THE ASAM PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER IT IS TUESDAY, FEBRUARY THE 15TH 5:00 PM TREEHOUSE.[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]
CAN, CAN YOU GIVE A STATUS UPDATE, RECENT CASES OF POLICY ITEMS? ABSOLUTELY.KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY CASES, UH, FROM THE JANUARY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING THAT REQUIRED, UH, CITY COUNCIL ACTION.
SO NO ITEMS ON A RECENT COUNCIL AGENDA.
UH, WE DO HAVE WORK CONTINUING, UH, ON THE, UH, BOTH THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY AND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT.
UH, WE, UH, ANTICIPATE HAVING, UH, SOME, A MEETING OR MEETING SCHEDULED SOON FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT, UH, IN THE MARCH, APRIL TIMEFRAME, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW WE APPROACH THAT, LIKE IT COULD BE A COUPLE SMALLER MEETINGS OR ONE LARGER MEETING.
AND IF IT'S THE LATTER, IT WOULD BE LATE APRIL.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE ONE IN MARCH AND ONE IN APRIL, BUT GIVEN WHERE WE ARE NOW, THE LATTER OPTION IS PROBABLY NECESSARY.
SO ANTICIPATE SOMETHING IN LATE APRIL, UH, WITH THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY, UH, WORK CONTINUES WITH THE COMMITTEE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CRAIG IS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REFINING, UH, UH, WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE TO REFINE THEIR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THOSE WOULD BE INCLUDED, UH, AND A DRAFT PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT SUMMARIZES AND INCLUDES THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO PROVIDES DETAIL ON THE OVERALL PROCESS AND HOW WE GOT TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF AN UPCOMING MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING AT LEAST AN INITIAL PRESENTATION, NOT A WHOLE REPORT, BUT KIND OF A, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE HERE ARE THE ANTICIPATED OUTCOMES PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND OUR WORK SESSION.
SO ONCE WE GET THAT SCHEDULED, I'LL, I'LL GET THAT, UH, UH, DATE OUT TO Y'ALL IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AND GET CAUGHT UP ON THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY, WHO'S THAT IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, CAN YOU THINK I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE THE CASE, JUST A WORK SESSION? NO ACTION.
UH, IT WILL ULTIMATELY THE REPORT WILL HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, FOR A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL.
SO YOU'LL SEE IT AGAIN, BUT THIS IS MORE OF A, UM, A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH STAFF AND OF COURSE THE COMMITTEE THAT PRESENTS, UH, THE DESIRED DIRECTION FOR THAT STUDY.
SO NANCY PREMIERES, NEW POINTS, POSITIVE EXPERIENCE, OR WE ALL LIVE THROUGH THE OLD SAM'S CLUB THING.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S STILL SOME ANIMOSITY LAST ON PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT.
I WASN'T HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THAT, WITH THAT STEADY, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF HOLDOVER.
UM, FROM THAT THE BIGGEST THING WAS THAT I THINK THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A FRESH NEW LOOK, JUST NOT AN AUTOMATIC TAKE AND KIND OF REGURGITATING THAT OLD REPORT.
SO WE WANTED A FRESH, AND SO I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW, TO GET OVER THAT ASSUMPTION THAT WE WERE JUST GONNA TAKE AND KIND OF MASSAGE THAT OLD REPORT A LITTLE BIT.
ONCE WE GOT PAST THAT AND RECOGNIZE THAT WE ALL WANTED A NEW WORK PRODUCT, I THINK WE WERE.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO MENTION ANY THAT JIM, UH, I'LL COVER THAT OFFLINE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE NECESSARY? OKAY.
[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the February 15, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting, including: January 18, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Preliminary Plat, Block C, Lot 1 of the Vitruvian Park Addition (PP2021-01) PD Rezoning request for 4150 Beltway Drive (1846-Z) ]
THE JANUARY 18TH, 2022 MINUTES THAT THEY WEREN'T A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE.ANYBODY GOING TO HAVE ANY, ANY EDITS OR COMMENTS THEY WERE BRINGING FORTH.
SEE THE WOMAN BEING THE CHAIR.
THE SECOND WE CAN INCLUDE THAT.
IT WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE TRICKY WITH THE TWO ACTIONS.
ONE OF THEM, WE, WE, THE FIRST ONE WE DID NOT HAVE A SECOND.
UM, THE SECOND ONE WE DID, SO I, I ELECTED FOR CONSISTENCY, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN ADD THAT IN THERE.
THAT'S BUT WITH THAT, WHEN YOU APPROVE THAT AS CONSENT AGENDA, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, YOU CAN APPROVE IT AS YOU ADVISE ME TO, UH, AMEND IT, UH, IN THIS WORK SESSION.
WE HAVE A SINGLE PLANET FOR CONSIDERATION THE NATURE.
UM, KEN HAS BEEN PAID FOR STAFFING.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON
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THAT CANS OR ANYTHING UNUSUAL SHOULD KNOW ABOUT? NO.THAT'S, THAT'S FACILITATING, UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING DESIGN FOR THE RECENTLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE RENTAL TOWN ON THIS PROJECT, UH, AT THAT, UH, FIVE ACRE TRACK.
SO A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD IT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE TOWNS REGULATIONS COMPLIES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLANNING THAT WAS APPROVED AND CIVIL ENGINEERING AND DESIGN IS ONGOING AS WE SPEAK, UM, AS FOURTH ITEM, WHICH I ASSUME THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE HERE ATTENDING THE MEETING TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT REZONING REQUEST, UH, FOR THE 41 50 BELTWAY DRIVE.
SO KEN, ANY WORDS OF WISDOM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO CAN? UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO QUESTIONS, IF I COULD PRIVATELY PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE.
UM, SO, UM, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, UM, ANYTIME WE'RE CONSIDERING A REZONING APPLICATION, UH, WITH TOWN AS REQUIRED BY STATE AND TOWN, UH, LAW TO PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, UH, DALLAS ISD, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SERVING THE SITE.
UM, SO, UH, PRIOR TO THE PACKET BEING POSTED, WE ONLY RECEIVED THE ONE LETTER CORRESPONDENCE THAT WAS IN THE PACKET FROM MR. WHITE ED.
UM, SINCE THE PACKET HAS BEEN POSTED, UH, WE'VE RECEIVED A SERIES OF LETTERS, UH, FROM, UH, UH, THE OWNERS OF THE, UM, RESTAURANT, UH, PROPERTY, UH, RESTAURANT AND OFFICE PROPERTY THAT BOUNDS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO BOTH THE EAST AND THE SOUTH, AS WELL AS LETTERS REPRESENTING OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN, UH, IN THE, UH, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE WEST SPECIFICALLY PROPERTIES ON MORMON LANE.
UH, SO IN TOTAL, UM, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, FIVE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION.
UH, THE ONE THAT IS MOST MEANINGFUL TO YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS FROM, UH, VVI INC.
UM, THAT IS, UH, THE IMMEDIATELY A BUDDING PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, SO BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A LARGE PROPERTY AND ENCOMPASSES SO MUCH OF THE 200 FOOT NOTICE AREA, UH, THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO NOTICE WHY, UM, TOWN AND STATE LAW REQUIRES, UM, WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER THAT, UM, EITHER THE NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE AMOUNT OF AREA WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT NOTICE, IF THAT EXCEEDS 20% OF THAT AREA, THAT TRIGGERS A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF THE COMMISSION IS, UH, ALEKS TO APPROVE, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, THIS REQUEST TONIGHT, IN ORDER FOR THAT APPROVAL TO TAKE EFFECT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACHIEVE A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION, UH, VOTING FOR APPROVAL.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, IF WE HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT, THAT WOULD BE SIX OF SEVEN MEMBERS YOU HEARD FROM JEWELERS SHOULD BE HERE FOR, I HAD NOT HEARD, UH, FROM HER RELATED TO THE MEETING, SHE DID EMAIL ME ON ANOTHER ITEM.
UH TODAY'S I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT SHE'LL BE HERE PROBABLY JUST RUNNING A LITTLE LATE SESSION.
THE SUPER MAJORITY IS NOT ACHIEVED.
AND YET THERE'S MAJORITY IN THAT IMPROVEMENT.
HOW DOES THAT GO TO COUNCIL AS A NON RECOMMENDATION OR A RECORD FOR RECOMMENDED WITH QUOTES? SO THE, THE ITEM WOULD FAIL, UM, AND, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, FAIL TO GET APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO, UH, SUBMIT A REQUEST TO STAFF, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION BY CITY COUNCIL, IF THEY DID NOT, UH, SUBMIT THAT REQUEST, STAFF WOULD STILL HAVE TO NOTIFY, UH, COUNSEL, UH, VIA, UM, A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM INDICATING THAT THIS ITEM FAILED BEFORE THE COMMISSION, BUT, UH, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WISHED TO, UH, RECEIVE, UH, CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL, UH, THEN, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST THAT.
AND IF THEY DID MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL THE COMMISSION, UH, BOTH AS A RESULT OF THIS ISSUE, UH, WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, UH, PROTEST, AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION, UH, IF YOU DID NOT, UH, APPROVE BY A SUPER MAJORITY, A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL, WOULD THAT BE REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL? IT'S THE PBI PROPERTY INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT FROM MIDWAY, BUT THEN DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE, UH, THE PROPERTY, LIKE WHERE THE, ALL OF THAT? YES, SIR.
OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EVENT MENU THAT'S SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP,
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SEPARATELY, SEPARATE HOMES ON BOARD.THEY DO OWN TWO OF THE DUPLEXES.
I MEAN, THE WAY OF GOING, WHERE THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE OLD JAGS CURRENTLY DJS USED TO OWN THIS PROPERTY IN THE BACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL, WHEN YOU SAY THE PROPERTY IN THE BAG, IN THE BACK OF NEWER THE EVENT CENTER.
THEY DO NOT OWN IT ANY LONGER.
SO KEN, IS THIS ALEX PIGEON, WAS HE INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP MEETINGS THAT, UH, HE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HE DID NOT ATTEND THE FEBRUARY 1ST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
UM, MR. MCCUTCHEON IS ON THE SAM'S CLUB ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, WITH THAT SAID HE IS NOT, UM, I WOULD NOT SAY HE'S BEEN, UM, AS INVOLVED AS MOST MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE.
UM, TO MY RECOLLECTION, HE'S ATTENDED ONE COMMITTEE MEETING AND ONE, UM, OF THE OPEN HOUSES.
UH, HE IS READING THE MATERIALS AND, UH, IS INTERESTED IN THE PROJECT AS NOTED IN HIS LETTER, BUT HE'S NOT BEEN AS INVOLVED AS SAY, NANCY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, I DID SPEAK WITH HIM LATE LAST WEEK.
SO KATE, YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS PROJECT HERE.
AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN SAY THIS APPROPRIATELY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD NONE WHATSOEVER.
UH, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
AND I THINK THEY FALL INTO THREE CATEGORIES.
SOME ARE VERY FIXABLE, SOME ARE FIXABLE OVER TIME AND SOME ARE NOT FIXABLE.
AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE, AND THIS IS IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER OF IMPORTANCE.
THIS IS JUST GETTING IT ALL OUT THERE.
I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THE TRAFFIC ON BELTWAY WHILE IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE OVERTLY INCREASED BECAUSE OF THE 31.
AND THEN, UH, JUST WITH THE 31 NEW CONDOS, BUT IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE OVERBURDENED BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE GETTING DELIVERIES TO THOSE 31 PLACES.
AND THE DELIVERIES DON'T ALWAYS COME IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.
AND THE WAY PEOPLE COME IN IS GOING TO BE OFTEN BELTWAY AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
AND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE SUPER BOWL PARTIES AND THERE ARE 18 PARKING PLACES AND ALL 31 OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE HAVE A SUPER BOWL PARTY, AND EVERYBODY HAS 10 PEOPLE.
THERE WERE, THOSE CARS ARE VERY, ALSO PROBABLY WILL.
MANY OF THEM, SOME OF THEM, A FEW OF THEM WILL PARK ON BELTWAY.
BELTWAY IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS TO PASS THEIR DOWN.
THE IDEA THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING PARKED ON THE SIDE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET AROUND IS A PROBLEM.
SO PARKING WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG ISSUE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WAS IT DISCUSSED? IT WAS, YES, SIR.
AND THAT IS WHY, UH, SO, AND THE INITIAL PROPOSAL, THERE WAS 1 33 TOWNHOME UNITS.
UM, IT HAS BEEN REDUCED SINCE THAT INITIAL PROPOSAL 31, UH, THAT WAS JUST NOTED.
AND THEN THEY, AND THE INITIAL PROPOSAL, THEY HAD 14 VISITOR PARKING SPACES AND, UH, SINCE BEN INCREASED 18 PARKING SPACES, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON MAKING NO PARKING DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS ON WITH IF THAT CONDITION ALREADY EXISTS.
UM, SO REALLY, UH, THE TOWN HAS VERY, VERY EXPANSIVE PARKING REGULATIONS.
GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT IS I DON'T SEE ANY SIGNAGE TO THE BELTWAY.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU COULD PARK THAT.
SO IN, IN THE TOWN'S PARKING REGULATIONS, VERY BROADLY RESTRICT PARKING AND MOST PLACES IN TOWN, UM, WHERE WE START TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT YET BECAUSE THE CURRENT CONDITION, DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF SURFACE PARKING AND, UH, VARYING LEVELS OF DEMAND FOR USES IN THOSE AREAS? SO IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE IF IT BECAME AN ISSUE, UH, CERTAINLY COULD BE INSTALLED, UH, TO REFLECT THAT.
UM, I, I THINK AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE WITH, UM, THE TYPE OF HOUSING AND IT'S REALLY NO
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DIFFERENT THAN, THAN ANY HOUSING IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE MAKING DECISIONS ON THE PURCHASE OF PARTICULAR HOUSE, THEY'RE GOING TO PURCHASE IT BASED ON THEIR NEEDS AND LIFESTYLE.UM, IF IT'S SOMEONE WHO HAS THREE OR FOUR CARS OR IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS IN MY MIND, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT FOR THEM.
THEY'RE PAYING, UH, AT THE PRICE POINTS THAT WERE QUOTED BY THE BUILDER AT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, UH, MAKE FIVE HUNDREDS, UH, TO, UH, HIGH FIVE HUNDREDS.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY FIND, UM, MORE EXPENSIVE, LOWER DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES IN THAT RANGE.
AND, UH, FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE A, A HIGH PARKING MEET FOR PARKING, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THEY WOULD ELECT TO GO FOR, FOR THOSE THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN, WITH THIS PLAN OR WITH REGULATIONS, YOU CAN SOLVE EVERY PARKING PROBLEM.
IT'S, IT'S MORE A MATTER OF WHETHER YOU CONSIDER SOME ISSUES COMING UP AND THEN BEING CORRECTED AS THEY HAPPEN AS BEING REASONABLE, OR, OR IF WE HAVE TO REGULATE THIS PLAN OR CONSIDERING THIS PLAN THAT REGULATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE EVEN THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMEONE PARKING ON THE STREET, THAT MAY BE THE ANSWER, BUT I THINK THESE NEIGHBORHOODS CAN FIGURE OUT AND SOLVE FOR THAT PROBLEM.
UM, THERE'S OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE REGION WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOMES FRONTING ON OPEN SPACE OR FRONTING ON ARTERIAL.
UH, ONE EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE IS THE, THE VILLAS AT LEGACY WEST, UH, IN, IN PLANO, UM, YOU HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF, UH, TALL AND SKINNY SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED HOMES, UM, SIMILAR TO THIS LITTLE LESS DENSE FRONTING ON ARTERIALS AND ALSO FRONTING ON OPEN SPACE.
AND, AND I THINK THE BUYERS, THEY GO THERE, THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO THAT PRODUCT FOR A REASON.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY CAN ADAPT TO THE PARKING CONDITIONS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, SO TOM, I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.
AND JOHN, I HAVE AN IDEA WHERE YOU REST OF US, JULIE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.
WE ALL LIVE IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA.
SO POLITICS IS LOCAL, THESE ISSUES.
AND SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, IF YOU LIVE EAST OF MIDWAY NORTH IN THE BELTLINE BELTLINE OR WEST OF SURVEYOR, YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT LITTLE BOAT RIGHT THERE, THIS IS ALL GONNA DUMP RIGHT ON OUR DOORSTEP.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT SOUNDS NICE AND HARMONIOUS AND PRESENTABLE IN A YEAR IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT IN THE REAL WORLD.
STEP IN FOR A SECOND CURRENT ZONING, THE PD IS SPECIFIC TO THE HOTEL HOTELS, A PERMITTED USE.
AND WHAT ELSE IS ALLOWED IN A RANGE OF COMMERCIAL? CAN YOU GO OVER WHAT THEY ARE? UH, SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE THEM ALL MEMORIZED, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY OFFICE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TYPE OF USES.
I MEAN, SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET TRAFFIC NO MATTER WHAT I MEAN.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO REMEMBER HERE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AS VACANT SPACE RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS NOBODY COMING THERE TODAY.
NO MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE, IF IT GETS DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT, IF IT'S A HOTEL, IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, IF IT'S CON TOM HELMS, WHATEVER THERE IS GOING TO BE INCREASED TRAFFIC, OR THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL IS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE FOLKS LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME WITH RESIDENTIAL KIND OF HOME AT THE SAME TIME, HOTELS, DIFFERENT OFFICE, PRIMARY ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE GET THERE BETWEEN.
I AGREE, BUT THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE TRAFFIC AT THIS LOCATION.
AND IF YOU GO BACK TO A HOTEL USAGE, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S MUCH MORE HARD TO MANAGE THE TOWNHOUSE COMPLEX AND MIDWAY.
SO IF YOU GO ON BELTWAY, WHEN YOU GET TO LOOK BRAND THE FIRST STREET, YOU CAN TURN YOU TURN TO.
ONCE I GET IN THERE, I DON'T SEE ANY, LIKE GETTING OUT THAT 95%.
I GO A DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON OVER HERE.
BUT I LIVED THROUGH THE HOTEL, THE MOTEL, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER BLIGHT.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRAFFIC.
WE HAD TO WORRY ABOUT 18 WHEELERS PARKING IN THEIR PARKING LOT.
SO THAT WAS A MUCH DIFFERENT STORY.
SO WE DEALT WITH THAT AND NOW THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I'M GOING TO GET IT ALL OUT AND YOU GUYS CAN TALK.
THE WALL'S GOING TO COME DOWN.
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ALL BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND TOWN LIKE BETWEEN THE STREET BETWEEN BELT THREE, WHERE IT IS NOW AND THE STREET THERE'S GOING TO BE.THERE'S NO SPACE THERE'S TO BEGIN WITH.
AND THERE'S BIG OLD TREES EVERYWHERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.
THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? AND TAKE SOME OF THOSE TREES OUT AND GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE RIGMAROLE.
SO AT THE END, THE OTHER THING, THE LAST THING IS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY IS GOING TO SAY, BUT WE OUGHT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SAY IT BEFORE WE SAY YES, THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A REPORT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I REALIZED SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE FIRST.
IF IT'S 30 DAYS, IF IT'S 45 DAYS, WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE, THAT PLACE HAS BEEN UPLIGHT FOR 15 YEARS, THAT I'VE LIVED HERE.
SO I'M NOT IN A HURRY TO DO YOU SEE ONE THING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE POINTING OUT PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE TYPE OF MOVING DEARBORN DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU KNEW WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY NOW.
THAT'S RIGHT BEFORE THE COVID.
THERE'S GOING TO BE LIKE SINGLE, SINGLE TYPE OF FAMILY HOUSING, OTHER THAN WIFE, SINGLE PERSON, NOT WITH THE KIDS.
CAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MOST TIMES THEY WANT TO HAVE A GARDEN WITH KIDS.
AND THAT STAMP I'VE SEEN THAT TOTALLY CHANGED WHERE I LIVE UP BY CHRISTIAN TRINITY TOTALLY.
IS THIS SUBJECT TO THAT WILL BE RUN BY IT.
DO WE KNOW THAT THEY WOULD SEND ME, THEY WANT AN HOA AND WE REQUIRE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMMON AREA.
JUST ONE POINT, IF, IF I COULD COMMENT, UM, BOBBY, YOU DIDN'T NOTE THE TREES ON THE BELTWAY.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PRESERVE SIX OF SEVEN OF THOSE.
BUT THAT GOES WITH A SIDEWALK.
AND THE POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE IS SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE THERE, SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE, BECAUSE THOSE TREES ARE CLOSE TO THIS.
THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE STREET AS IT IS.
SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK THERE.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? AND WHY DO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT ON? YEAH.
SO THAT ASPECT KIND OF CAUGHT MY EYE THIS WEEKEND WHEN I WAS OVER THERE LOOKING AT IT AND, AND I EVER ONS WHITEHEAD'S LETTER WITH ME AND HE BROUGHT THAT UP TOO.
CAUSE I THINK THE TOWN MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY PERHAPS, WHEREAS YOU COULD JUST MEASURE THE AMOUNT OF SIDEWALK THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING THE CONTRACTOR TO PUT IN, TAKE THAT SAME LENGTH AND GO OVER AND I'M NOT, AND I'D GO OVER AND BEGIN A TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THOSE TREES AND MAKE THAT INTO A DOG WALK.
AND THE WALL THAT SEPARATES TRINITY GROVE FROM BELTWAY, THERE'S A NICE EXPANSE OF WHAT IS KIND OF LIKE A PARK AND I'M AT THIS TOWN PROPERTY OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT I WALKED THROUGH THERE.
AND THERE'S LOVELY TREES OF LOTS OF SHADE.
AND I'M SURE DURING THE SUMMERTIME, IT'D BE A GREAT BEGINNINGS OF A BIT OF A DOG WALK.
THE THING THAT HIT ME WAS THERE AT THE TIME, LIKE TOWNHOMES, THEY'VE GOT A SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE AND IT'S, AS LONG AS THIS TABLE, THEN THAT'S IT.
AND THEN THERE'S NO MORE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN, PAST TOWARD THE ATHLETIC CENTER.
AND, AND THE ONLY OTHER GOOD SIDEWALK IS ONE ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THAT'S NOT IN KEEPING, I THINK IN MY BIAS, BEING ON METRO TRAILS COMMITTEE, WITH THAT ALL AT A ATTITUDE OF TRYING TO GET WIDER SIDEWALKS AND A BUFFER, I WOULD JUST MOVE THE WHOLE THING BACK INTO THAT AREA AND MAKE A NICE LITTLE PART THAT THEN THE TOWN LAKE POEMS COULD USE AS A DOG WALK AREA.
THESE FOLKS COULD USE THE DOG WALK.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED THAT EVEN IF YOU KNOCK THE WALL DOWN AND PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE, YOU COULD DAMAGE THE ROUTES.
AND I WOULD JUST STAY AWAY FROM THAT ALTOGETHER.
AND POSSIBLY IF YOU DO THAT, THEY MIGHT CONSIDER LEAVING THE WALL UP.
UM, IF THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE TAKING THE WALL DOWN WAS FOR THE SIDEWALK.
I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO WORK THAT ONE.
SO I THINK FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I'VE GOTTEN SOME PUSHBACK ON THE SIDEWALK AND I SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE HAVING THAT TOO.
I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING AND YES, I LIVE IN ANOTHER BUBBLE.
UM, BUT I, I SUSPECT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMING OUT OF TIME, LIKE TOWNHOMES FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THERE'S EVEN MORE HOMES BACK IN THERE I GUESS.
AND THERE WILL BE A DISPLACE AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE OVERWHELMING BELTWAY.
SO THAT ONE DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH.
AND PARTICULARLY THEY PUT UP SIGNS SAYING NO PARKING DURING DAYLIGHT AND WHATEVER, SOME WAYS HAVE FORCED THAT.
BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THE BALANCE OF GETTING
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RID OF LIGHTED AREA HIGH CRIME.AND WHEN I PULLED IN THERE, I'VE BEEN THERE TWICE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, THERE WERE LARGE TRUCKS PARKED IN THERE.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK IF I WAS LIVING IN THOSE NICE, VERY NICE TOWN, LIKE CONDOMS, I WOULD WANT THIS PLACE TO DEVELOP WITH TOWN HOMES, JUST LIKE MINE TO KEEP THAT ELEMENT OUT.
AND IT CREATES ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
THAT, THAT TO ME IS, IS A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT USED TO BE THERE AND WHAT STILL IS THERE.
UM, AND WHAT COULD BE THERE AS DENISE POINTED AT COULD BE ANOTHER HOTEL, ANOTHER HOTEL SIX.
UM, SO, BUT MY CONCERN WAS THE SIDEWALK, THE SIDEWALK GOING NOWHERE.
AND I KNOW THEY WANT TO CONNECT THE READY AND TRAIL AND THE SIDEWALK DOWN TO THAT 57 FOOT CORRIDOR.
BUT I'VE EVEN CONSIDERED TAKING THAT OUT AND MOVING THAT ACROSS THE STREET TOO.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE ARE LONG, LONG TERM PLANS OF PUTTING IN TRAILS TO CERTAIN AREAS, UM, WHERE HE GETS TO THE REDDING TRAIL, JUST GOING DOWN THAT WAY, CONNECTING THEM GOING DOWN, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
IT'S REAL Y AND SO BUILD A NICE, SO I WROTE IN, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TOWNHOMES.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT THEY CAN DO THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT BELTLINE.
I KNOW, AND I'M NOT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING THERE AND COMING OUT.
I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S DELIVERIES AND W WHERE DID THEY GO AND WHAT DID THEY DO? I, NONE OF THOSE GUYS WON'T WALK OR LADIES, NONE OF THEM WANT TO WALK.
SO THEY WANT TO PARK RIGHT IN FRONT.
BUT SOMETIMES IF THAT'S INCONVENIENCED, THEY'LL PARK, WHEREVER THEY WANT TO PARK.
THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, UH, I WATCH PEOPLE WALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET BELTWAY, WHERE THERE IS NO SIDEWALK.
THEY'RE TAKING THEIR HANDS IN THEIR OWN LIFE BY DOING THAT.
WHETHER THERE'S A SIDEWALK, THERE ARE NOT WHAT IS CODE ABOUT SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE LET'S PRETEND THIS WAS ALL BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SIDEWALKS ON? ABSOLUTELY.
SO ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO ADD IS WHAT REALLY JUMPED OUT.
WHAT REALLY JUMPED OUT TO ME IS, IS TO YOUR POINT, ROBERT, ABOUT THE, WHY ARE WE APPROVING THIS WHEN THE PLAN FROM THIS COMMITTEE IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING OUT FROM THAT AREA? I THINK THAT'S PREMATURE.
I MEAN, IT PROBABLY IS PART OF IT.
I THINK THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME, BUT LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, SEVERAL THINGS IS THAT THE, THE PARKING, THE GUEST PARKING, I KNOW IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'VE BEEN IN, WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OR TWO SPOTS PER CONDO, IF SOMEBODY HAS A PARTY THEY'RE GONE LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THEY START GETTING INTO THE STREET AND THEY START BLOCKING, YOU KNOW, GOING UP AGAINST THE EDGE AND BLOCKING PEOPLE IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH GUEST PARKING ON THERE, AND THAT MIGHT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DELIVERIES TOO.
IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF DELIVERIES HAVING MORE PARKING SPOTS, THEN THE, UM, THE BELT THAT BELTWAY STREET IS BASICALLY A THOROUGHFARE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN MIDWAY, IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO THE, UM, LIKE I GO DOWN THROUGH THERE TO THE BANK, TO MY BANK, I GO THROUGH THERE TO GO UP TO SOME RESTAURANTS BECAUSE I KNOW I CAN COME IN THE BACK.
I MEAN, THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THOROUGHFARE.
SO FOR ANYBODY TO EVER HAVE A TRACK EFFORT, I MEAN, IT'S JUST TWO LANES, YOU KNOW, SO YOU BASICALLY BLOCKED IT.
SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO PARKING, EVEN FOR A MINUTE.
UM, BELTWAY NEEDS TO BE A THIRD, A THREE-WAY AND THEN IT'S TO THE SIDEWALK ISSUE.
I ALSO NOTICED THAT, BUT WHEN I'VE BEEN ON COMMITTEES ABOUT SIDEWALKS, IT'S NOT ABOUT I HAVE THE DOG AND I CAN TOTALLY WALK IN THE BACK WITH MY DOG, BUT THERE'S HANDICAPPED PEOPLE HERE THAT USE A SIDEWALKS TO GO FROM THEIR HOUSE TO RESTAURANTS AND TO, TO RUN ERRANDS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY USE.
SO I THINK WE NEED IT, EVEN IF, IF WE'RE SAYING, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE ALSO, I WAS ON A COMMITTEE WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, HOW THEY WERE BEHIND ON, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH HANDICAP TRANSPORTATION.
UM, CAUSE I GO OUT AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE EXPANDING TO EIGHT FEET OR 60 OR WHATEVER.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ON THE, ON THE STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT IS TAKING YOUR LIFE INSIDE.
IF YOU HAD A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BELTWAY, IT DOESN'T GO ME.
SO THERE'S NO ACCESS FOR HANDICAP.
IT ENDS ON WEST SIDE OF TOWN LIKE CONDO, RIGHT THERE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, NORTH SIDE OF THE, I CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL FLAVOR ON THAT.
WELL, THE COLOR ON THAT ISSUE THAT I THINK I HAVE GOOD NEWS FOR, FOR ALL
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OF YOU YOU'VE BEEN HOLDING.CAN I JUST SAY THAT? SO THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS IT LOOKS LIKE, AND MAYBE I CAN'T READ THESE VERY WELL, BUT THAT THE HOUSES FACE INSIDE TO THE SIDEWALK AND MATT ROGERS ARMY OUTSIDE, IS THAT RIGHT? SUCH A FACE BELT WAY.
AND THEN THERE'S THE SECTION UNITS WE'LL FACE DOWN.
LIKE, SO THE PARKING WILL BE ON THE INSIDE.
CAUSE NO GARAGE IS VIEWABLE FROM A PUBLIC PLACE.
I I'VE GOT JUST A FEW COMMENTS.
SO I FEEL LIKE YOU WERE DEALING WITH A QUALITY DEVELOPER QUALITY ARCHITECT.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THEY MET WITH THE RESIDENTS SURROUNDING, AND THAT REALLY SAYS A LOT TO ME.
I DO HAVE AN ISSUE THOUGH, WITH WHAT COULD BECOME THE PARKING ISSUE.
CAUSE WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE ADDISON IN TWO SPACES IN THE GARAGE, PEOPLE WILL FILTER BY RODS VERY QUICKLY AND EVERYONE WILL LOOK TO THE 18 SPOTS, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS ENOUGH.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS AS FAR AS NUMBER OF UNITS FOR PARKING.
AND THEN I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE VDI PROPERTY, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, NOW A LOT OF THAT, A LOT OF THEIR OWN LITTLE PARKING GOES BACK THAT WAY, MAYBE IT'S EMPLOYEE.
BUT, UM, A LOT OF THAT PARKING GOES BACK THERE AND I JUST WONDER WHERE THAT IS.
SO, UM, WHERE THE THRIFT SHOPS, THE MCCUTCHEONS PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL RESTAURANTS THAT I'M ASSUMING THEY NEED THE PARKING REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE.
UM, JUST COMBINING EVERY SPOT OUT THERE, IT PROBABLY WILL BE CONVENIENT.
THEY HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES PARKING IN THE FRONT AND IT WILL BE LESS APPROXIMATELY.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE PARKING? I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY'S PUTTING COMMENTS BACK CAUSE IT'S A TOWNHOUSE IN THE CONDOMINIUM.
I MEAN, WHEN I HAVE A PARTY AT MY HOUSE, THEY PARK ON THE STREET OUT FRONT, THEY'RE NOT PARKING MY DRIVEWAY.
IT'S JUST A REALITY OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
WE'RE TALKING HOW OFTEN, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE HERE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE ONLY CONSIDERATION.
MY QUESTION WAS IS THE HOUSING CODE THAT THEY PUT IN FOR WANTING HOME OWNERSHIP IN THE TOWN OF MADISON? DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT READ? SO WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENT OR IS IT ONLY FOR RENTAL APARTMENTS NEED TO BE COMBINED WITH HOME OWNERSHIP? SO BASICALLY, UH, THEY, THEY RESPIRED BULLET POINTS TO THAT.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'D BE MOST INTERESTED IN AS IT RELATES TO THAT QUESTION.
IT BASICALLY SAYS, UH, BASED ON THE TOWN'S CURRENT HOUSING MIX WHERE NEW HOUSING IS PROPOSED, UH, IT, UM, CONSIDERATION FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GRANTED TOWARDS EAST SIMPLE OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL HOUSING.
IT ALSO HAS LANGUAGE IN THERE RELATED TO, UM, UH, REVIEWING REQUESTS FOR HOUSING, SPECIAL AREAS, STUDY COMMITTEE, NOT HAVING JUST ISOLATED HOUSING ON ITS OWN, UH, ENSURING THAT AS WALKABLE AND INTEGRATED.
AND THEN IT ALSO HAS A LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT PROVIDES POTENTIAL, UH, FAVORABLE VIEWS IF THERE IS TO BE RENTAL MORE TOWARDS A SENIOR HOUSING.
AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE COMMENT ABOUT SAM'S STUDY IN THERE, HOW MANY DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT 17? YOU'RE NOT TALKING IN THE EASY REDEVELOPMENT AREA GUYS.
I MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE, BUT IF I LIVE SOMEPLACE ELSE, I MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW, BUT I DON'T, I LIVE RIGHT THERE.
SO I HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT THOSE 17 PEOPLE THAT OWN IT.
I OWN THAT ONE PROPERTY THERE.
AND I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ONE PROPERTY I'M AS MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ONE PROPERTY, AS I'M SURE THE OWNERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I, NO, I JUST THINK YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL OF WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY AND, AND, AND YOU GOTTA KIND OF PUT THAT TO THE SIDE OF THIS IS WHAT'S THE BEST FOR THE TOWN AND WHAT THE TOWN CALLS FOR.
AND, AND WE ALL GET CHALLENGES OF THINGS WE DON'T LIKE THAT HAPPENED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OR, YOU KNOW, BLOCKS AWAY FROM OUR HOMES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND IT'S JUST, IT JUST IS PART OF IT ALL HERE.
CLARIFY TWO POINTS ON I'M ACTUALLY ABOUT PARKING.
THERE ARE SOME STREETS THAT ARE IN SOME INTERIOR TO THAT I'M FINDING NO, I THINK YOU CAME IN A LITTLE LATE.
HE TALKED ABOUT IT, THAT THERE ISN'T A LOT OF PARKING ON BELTWAY AND IF WE NEED TO PUT UP A SIGN WHEN SHE WOULD THINK, AND THEN, UM, WHAT WAS OF IT, THE STUDY, I THOUGHT THE STUDY FROM THE CITY WAS JUST WHAT WE WANT AND IT'S COMING
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OUT SOON.I'M JUST SAYING, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COMMITTEE THINGS, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT ALL 17 PEOPLE AGREE SHOULD BE THE FINAL ONE, BUT IF WE'VE ALREADY ASKED THEM WHAT THEY THINK, I STARTED TO HEAR IT.
SO YOU JUST DON'T KNOW, LIKE I GET THE IDEA OF FEE SIMPLE AND THAT'S GREAT IN ORDER FOR THE TALENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A VERY HOUSING THOUGHT.
I GET THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T BE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT SOMEONE'S NOT THE BOTTOM OF THESE RENT INVESTMENT AND RENTED OUT AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, IT CAN BE PUT IN THERE RESTRICTIONS.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T UM, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
100%, BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT GETS INTO THE, IN THE WAY OF FINANCING.
UM, BUT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A QUALITY PRODUCT.
UM, I I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BALCONY'S FACING BELTWAY.
UM, I, I USE OUR TRAIL SYSTEM AND I JOT DOWN YOUR TRUE RENTALS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE'S LEFT OVER CRAP, ENDS UP ON THE BALCONY COOLERS, LEFTOVER FURNITURE.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY THOSE TREES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO SORT OF BLOCK WHAT CAN BE OUT ON THE BALCONIES AS WELL.
COUPLE OF COMMENTS, COMMENTS THERE.
I THINK SOME OF THAT MBA ADDRESSED IN THAT, UM, HOA, UM, THE BALCONIES AND SUCH THINGS LIKE THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THERE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW, HOW YOU GET CONTROL OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THINGS GET INTO THE HOA.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK WAS ON THE INTERIOR STREETS, THE MUSE, THE STREETS INSIDE, UM, WILL THOSE BE DEDICATED? WELL, THOSE LEASES CITY PROPERTY, RATHER THE HOA PROPERTY, BUT LIKE, WHAT WILL THEY BE? SO THOSE WOULD BE PRIVATE.
THE TAKE AWAY THERE WILL BE ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE HOA.
WELL, THERE, AGAIN, WE COULD HAVE SOME TROLLS OR THEY AGE AWAY ON, ON WHAT HAPPENS ON THOSE STREETS AND IN THOSE PARKING PLACES, I KNOW LIKE WHERE I LIVE, THE THERE'S LIMITED PARKING.
UM, BUT THERE IS SOME COMMON PARKING, UM, OUT IN THE COLD STACK HAPPENS TO BE CITY REGULATED.
BUT IF YOU CAN REGULATE THAT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT COULD EVEN REGULATE IT.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE BOATS, YOU KNOW, SITTING, SITTING OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU'D HAVE TO GET THAT IN THERE.
SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TOOL THEN TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT WOULD THIS BE DONE OR WHERE, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THAT DEVELOPER THAT DEVELOPER CAN PROMISES WHATEVER THEY WANT AND I'M SURE THAT THEY INTEND FOR IT TO BE, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD CHOOSE THAT YOU DIDN'T NEED TO GET SOME OF THOSE THINGS INTO THAT, INTO YOUR BARS INVOLVED.
SO HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S MY BIG QUESTION, KIDS.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE RUNNING A HUNDRED MILES AN HOUR TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE ON THIS ISSUE.
AND THERE SEEMS TO BE AS MANY QUESTIONS AS THERE ARE ANSWERS.
SO I CAN PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT ON THIS.
IT'S BEEN A, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE WHOLE SPRINT TO THE FINISH LINE BECAUSE ACTUALLY THIS APPLICANT I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, THIS APPLICANT STARTED MEETING WITH STAFF IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR.
THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD BEFORE THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY KICKED OFF AS THE DIRECTOR HERE, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE SAM'S CLUB COMMITTEE TO START WORKING ON THAT STUDY AND HOPEFULLY FINISH THE STUDY BEFORE THIS PROJECT MOVED FORWARD.
UM, WE'VE HAD, UM, VERY GOOD AND VERY PASSIONATE DISCUSSIONS.
AND I'D SAY THE DIALOGUE AND THE SAM'S CLUB COMMITTEE REALLY KIND OF MIRRORS THE DIALOGUE WHERE WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THAT THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING AREA TO THINK ABOUT AS FAR AS VISIONING FOR THE FUTURE.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE MAY HAVE A GOOD PROJECT IN FRONT OF US, IT'S STILL VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK THROUGH THAT CONSIDERATION.
SO THAT HAS RESULTED IN THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY, UM, GOING PROBABLY A LITTLE SLOWER THAN ANTICIPATED.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL ABOUT THE CURRENT DIRECTION OF THE SAND CLUB STUDY IS, UM, IT'S LESS DETAILED THAN WHAT A TYPICAL ADDISON SPECIAL AREA STUDY WOULD BE.
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TO THE COMMITTEE'S DESIRE TO NOT BOX OURSELVES IN, UH, IN THIS AREA TO A PARTICULAR LAND USE PATTERN OR PARTICULAR, UM, USES.UM, BUT REALLY ALSO TO FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AND, UM, ONE OF THOSE IS RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBILITY.
THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ALONG THE FULL WESTERN EDGE OF THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY AREA.
UH, THE THINGS THAT WE DEPICT THEM, THE, THE APPLICANT DEPICTS ON THESE PLANS IS REALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT INTENT THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS LAID OUT, UH, NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS, UH, UH, COMMUNICATED A DESIRE TO HAVE A 100 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THAT WESTERN BOUNDARY.
AND WITHIN THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER, IT'S NOT JUST UNPROGRAMMED AREA, IT'S A RECREATIONAL AMENITY, A TRUE DESTINATION WITHIN THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY AREA.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAILS AND SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY, IF ANYTHING HAS COME TO THE FOREFRONT IN THAT STUDY IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE FAVOR, I WOULD SAY THOSE, UM, CONDITIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I WOULD NOT SUGGEST WHETHER IT'S THIS PROJECT OR FUTURE PROJECTS SAYING WE DON'T NEED SIDEWALKS.
UM, THE ISSUE RELATED TO THE TREES THAT HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN NOTED, UH, WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A VERY TALENTED PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
SHE IS A REGISTERED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
UM, WE ASKED HER OPINION ON WHETHER THOSE TREES COULD TRULY BE PRESERVED AND BECAUSE THOSE TREES ARE ALREADY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A SCREENING WALL AND A PARKING LOT SIGNIFICANT CONCRETE, SHE BELIEVES THAT THE ROOTS ARE DEEP ENOUGH THAT IF YOU INSTALLED A SIDEWALK NEXT TO THOSE TREES, IT, THEY COULD STILL BE PRESERVED.
ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT THROUGH CIVIL DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, BUT SHE BELIEVES THAT THOSE CAN BE PRESERVED WITH THE SAM'S CLUB COMMITTEE.
UM, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE I THINK WE CAN SUGGEST THAT A PROJECT LIKE THIS MEETS THE COMMITTEE'S INTENT.
DOES IT CHECK EVERY BLOCK? ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY, NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE A 100 FOOT BUFFER, BUT A BIG POINT OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IN THE COMMITTEE'S WORK IS THAT THIS IS REDEVELOPMENT REUSE AND NOT EVERYTHING WILL FIT INTO A NEAT BOX AS IF IT WAS A 200 ACRE GREENFIELD PROPERTY.
UM, SO, UH, ON THE, UH, TRAIL CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE PARK AREA ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WE'RE FORTUNATE IN THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BELTWAY.
AND ALSO THE NORTH SIDE, THE TOWN IS ABOUT TO KICK OFF ITS FIRST IMPLEMENTATION PROJECT FOR THE TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BELTWAY, A TRAIL IS PLANNED AND ALSO A BIKE LANE WITHIN THAT OPEN SPACE AREA.
AS THINGS FINISH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET AND WHERE THAT TRAIL BIKE LANE IS IMPLEMENTED, THERE'S ALSO PLANS TO IMPROVE THAT AREA, TO MAKE IT MORE OF AN AMENITY LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO, WITH REGARDS TO PASSIVE RECREATION DOLL IN.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION, THERE'S WORK TO DO, BUT WE'RE HEADING THERE AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE TALENTS MASTER PLANS.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE IDEA OR THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT SIDEWALK THAT WOULD RUN ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE EAST AND WEST, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE ONCE YOU GET TO THE MCCUTCHEON PROPERTY, EITHER THERE'S NO SPACE THERE.
AND ONCE YOU GET PASSED DOWN, YOU'LL NEVER HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT WOULD GET TO MIDWAY, WHICH I THOUGHT WOULD BE COOL.
SO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE PLAN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY IN THIS AREA OF REDEVELOPMENT, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS PLANNING FOR THE SAME CONDITIONS TO GO ON, UH, UNTIL THE TURBIDITY IT, I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT YEAR COULD HAPPEN FIVE YEARS.
IT COULD HAPPEN 20 YEARS FROM NOW, GIVEN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH.
AND IT REALLY SPEAKS TO WHY WE'RE DOING THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT AREA TO REDEVELOPED.
AND WHEN IT REDEVELOPS, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FIX SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE PRESENT NOW THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE.
SO SIDE WHERE WE DID NOT PROVIDE APPROPRIATE SPACE FOR SIDEWALKS, WE CAN DO THAT WITH REDEVELOPMENT.
I THINK A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT, A CHALLENGING EXAMPLE, THAT IS OUR MIDWAY ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
WE ARE ACCOMMODATING A 10 FOOT TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE OF MIDWAY ROAD.
THAT HAS BEEN A VERY CHALLENGING ENDEAVOR TO EXECUTE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN.
IT WAS IN OUR MASTER PLANS AND OUR CITY COUNCIL IS IMPLEMENTING THAT VISION AND WE WILL HAVE A 10 FOOT TRAIL.
SO JUST LIKE THAT CORRIDOR BELTWAY WILL BE IMPROVED AS WELL.
AND MANY OTHER CORRIDORS IN TOWN WILL BE MORE FRIENDLY FOR PEDESTRIANS.
YOU ARTFULLY AVOIDED ANSWERING THE QUESTION,
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BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE HURRY.THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON THE DEVELOPER.
THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION OF THE FOX TICKET, BUT IT DIDN'T CLICK A TICKET ON US.
SO THE IDEA THAT I WANT TO BE GOOD, YES.
THE IDEA THAT I WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH AS I CAN LAID OUT, I DID.
THERE'S A BUSINESS COMPONENT FROM THAT DEVELOPER INTEREST RATES ARE GOING UP IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM THAT HE'S NO, BUT IT'S THE TOWNS.
THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALLOWED IN OUR COUNTY.
FIRST REAL QUESTION, BEING THAT YOU DO LIVE IN THAT AREA, WHAT WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT CARPET DRIVE? NOW I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. I'VE SAID IT.
MY FIRST THING I SAID TODAY, IT USED TO BE THAT YOU HAD ANCILLARY ISSUES, BUT WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED, IT WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE ANCILLARY ISSUES, MAYBE NOTHING.
BUT IF WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO LET THE COMMUNITY DO THE WORK THAT THEY WERE ASSIGNED REQUIRED TO DO, LET THEM REPORT, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION PEOPLE SMARTER THAN ME MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT WHEN YOU WANT TO DO IT.
BUT I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAD THE STUDY GROUP.
IF WE JUMPED THE GUN ON SOMETHING BEFORE THEY GET DONE, I REALIZE NANCY'S ON THAT GROUP.
I REALIZED THERE'S OTHER VERY SMART PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT GROUP THAT I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE TALKED TO.
I HAVEN'T HEARD IT'S A COMPLETELY VALID, IT'S A COMPLETELY VALID POINT.
I POINT TAKING THE CHALLENGE WITH THEM AND THE CHALLENGE WITH HOW CITIES HAVE TO RESPOND TO THESE REQUESTS IS I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO STAFF.
I CAN ENCOURAGE HIM AND THEY'VE LISTENED TO MY ENCOURAGEMENT FOR MANY MONTHS, BUT THE REALITY FOR THEM IS THEY ARE AT A POINT WHERE THEY'RE OUT OF CONTRACT TIME AND THEY'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY INTO THIS.
THAT'S NOT THE TOWN'S THING TO CORRECT.
THAT'S NOT OUR CROSS TO BEAR, BUT THAT IS THE REALITY FOR THEM.
AND , I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A WEEK'S, UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S A, IT'S A BIT OF A MOVING TARGET OR WE ARE, WE HAVE VERY HIGH LEVEL AGREEMENT ON MANY POINTS, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE WORDSMITHING, UH, THROUGH SOME ISSUES.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE, I DON'T THINK IS IN CONFLICT.
I THINK IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE COMMITTEE'S DIRECTION.
UH, CERTAINLY WE HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL AS ON THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, SO THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL.
THAT STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ONLY.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE.
UH, BUT, UH, AS FAR AS ME BEING ABLE TO SAY THE COMMITTEE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE DONE WITH THAT REPORT ON X DATE.
UH, THAT'S VERY CHALLENGING THIS, THAT, AND WE GET THE BITE, THE APPLE HERE STARTING IN 10 MINUTES TO ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS.
SO ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANY ISSUES CONCERNING TO BRING UP NOW, AS OPPOSED TO DURING HER ME, UM, JUST AS SOMEONE THAT SITS ON THAT SAM'S CLUB, UM, COMMITTEE, I WILL AGREE WITH THE WAY, UM, KANT HAS DESCRIBED IT.
IF YOU THINK THIS PROJECT DOES, UM, MEET, UH, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN THAT COMMITTEE AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU WILL READ WHEN IT, WHEN IT DOES COME OUT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN GO INTO THESE THINGS THINKING WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERYTHING.
UH, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IT'S, UH, THIS WOULD BE A QUALITY, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK IT, UH, MEET A LOT OF THE, UH, UM, THE DESIRES OF THE, OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE WAY THAT REPORT WILL BE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE THINGS THAT, UH, SEEM A LITTLE AWKWARD.
LIKE, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS NOW? LIKE FOR THE SIDEWALKS AND THAT SORT OF THING THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T CONNECT, MAYBE THEY DON'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE MIDWIFE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL LIKE THIS IMMEDIATELY.
WE, I MIGHT NOT EVEN SEE IT, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
WHEN YOU HAVE 17 PROPERTY OWNERS AND YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT BRINGING THEM TOGETHER, THEN THEY WERE SAYING NEVER, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO GET HUGE PIECES, UH, WHERE YOU DEVELOPED IT AT ONE TIME,
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BUT YOU DO HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND LOOKED AT THEIR SITE DONE ON LONGER.AND HAVE IF YOU WENT OUT AND DROVE LIKE THAT EFFICIENT.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S ALL AREAS THAT ARE WAY, WAY BIGGER REVITALIZATION.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING EMPTY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE SET DECREPIT.
IT'S PRETTY AMAZING HOW MUCH SCENARIO HAS CHANGED.
THERE'S NEW PATCHES, LITTLE TOWNS, HOMEOWNERSHIP TOWN HOMES GOING AROUND.
AND IT JUST HOMEOWNERSHIP BRINGS UP THE QUALITY OF THE SURROUNDINGS AROUND IT ALL.