Dec 21, 2021 Planning & Zoning Commission Work Session

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WELL WELCOME

[1. Call Meeting to Order]

AND

[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]

ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING.

COMMISSIONERS, KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN OF MADISON.

SO WE DID HAVE THREE CASES THAT WERE ACTIVE ALONE BY A COMMISSION AT YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING.

AND THEN ALSO WE HAD TO, UM, RE HERE A CASE ON DECEMBER 7TH DUE TO SOME PROCEDURAL ISSUES.

UH, THOSE CASES ALL MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE DECEMBER 14TH, LESLIE JOHNSON MEETING, UH, ALL THREE CASES WERE APPROVED.

UH, ONE CASE HAD A CONDITION, UH, APPLIED TO IT.

UH, THAT WAS THE TIERRA IN COMPATA, UM, UH, UH, DAYCARE, UH, THAT WE HEARD, UH, LOCATED OFF OF, UH, MARSHALL LANE NORTH OF SPRING VALLEY.

UM, A CONDITION WAS REQUESTED ADDRESSING, UM, THAT PRIOR TO SIO, UH, THEY PROVIDE A, UM, UH, TRAFFIC OPERATIONS PLAN, UH, FOR THE PROJECT AND SHARED THAT THERE IS NO ISSUES WITH CIRCULATION ONSITE AND OFFSITE.

UH, THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME DID CONFIRM THAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL WAS FOR, UM, UH, PARENTS TO ALWAYS PARK, UM, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE DROP OFF.

SO THERE WILL NOT BE ANY, UH, DROP OFF LINE, UH, WITHIN THE SITE.

THE PARENTS IS IN PARKS, UH, EITHER DROPS OFF OR PICKS UP THE CHILD AND THEN DEPARTS AND, UM, WITH THE WAY THEIR MODEL IS AS WELL.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE EVERYONE'S ALL SHOWING UP AT THE SAME TIME.

GENERALLY IT'S, IT'S STAGGERED BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE FAMILY IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY, THEY NEED TO DROP OFF, CERTAINLY THERE'S PEAK HOURS, UM, THAT, UH, OCCUR PRIOR TO THE WORD BAY AND THEN FOLLOWING THE WORKDAY.

BUT, UM, THERE WILL BE A, UH, THERE IS ANTICIPATED A, UH, SOME STAGGERING.

SO WITH THAT, UH, STAFF, ONCE AGAIN DOES NOT ANTICIPATE ANY ISSUES, UH, MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE AND CLOSE THE LOOP ON THAT, UH, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF CEO AT THAT POINT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE CASES THAT WENT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT.

UM, AND

[2. Discuss potential dates in January to hold the annual organizational meeting for the Commission.]

SO IF YOU WILL FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MAY RECALL FROM OUR DISCUSSION PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION, UH, PROCEDURES IS THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY, NOT ONLY HAS OUR REGULAR MEETING, WHERE WE CARRY OUT THE REGULAR BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING.

UM, SO THAT, UM, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ADDRESS SEVERAL THINGS THAT RELATE TO THE BUSINESS AND THE COMMISSION.

UM, MOST PROMINENTLY THAT'S APPOINTMENT OF THE CHAIR OR DISCUSSION OF APPOINTMENT OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, UH, FORMAL ACTION WILL NEED TO OCCUR, UH, AT THE JANUARY MEETING.

UM, SO, UM, WITH THAT AS WELL, UH, OUR CHAIR MS. RESNICK, UH, WILL HAVE SOME NEWS FOR US THAT SHE'LL BE LEAVING THE COMMISSION AFTER THIS MEETING.

SO WE DO ALSO HAVE A NEW MEMBER THAT WILL BE ONBOARDING, UM, BEGINNING WITH THAT MEETING AS WELL.

I WE'LL DO SOME STUFF WITH STAFF WITH THAT NEW MEMBER.

UM, BUT ALSO THAT WILL BE, UH, YOUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN WORKING WITH THAT PERSON.

HER NAME IS JULIE BRANSON.

UH, SHE HAS, UH, VOLUNTEERED ON, UH, SEVERAL COMMITTEES, UM, UH, INFORMAL AND FORMAL, UM, AT THE TOWN.

AND SHE'S TALKED TO HER TODAY AND SHE'S EXCITED TO JOIN THE GROUP AND, UH, LEND HER SKILLSETS TO THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION.

UM, SO, AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ITEMS OF BUSINESS, UM, WITH REGARDS TO HOW WE OPERATE, UH, POLICY ISSUES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON IN THE NEW YEAR, UH, DEFINITELY FEEL FREE TO BRING THAT, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS IT NOW, OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE US ADD IT TO THE AGENDA, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT REALLY WE NEED TO FIRST IDENTIFY A DATE AND TIME THAT'S CONVENIENT FOR THE COMMISSION TO CARRY OUT THAT MEETING WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME COMPONENT OF IT, OF IT IN PERSON, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

BUT WE DO HAVE SOME MEMBERS THAT NEED TO PARTICIPATE IN BEING DIZZY.

WE CAN FACILITATE THAT.

UM, MY ONLY CONFLICT IS THE EVENING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS ON THE 11TH, UH, BEYOND THAT, UH, UH, STAFF IS OPEN TO, TO MEET WHATEVER NEEDS THE COMMISSION HAS WITH REGARDS TO SCHEDULING.

ANY OF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR A DATE.

I CAN'T BE LIKE

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YEAH, SHE DOES HAVE TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE FIRST COUNT COMMISSIONED ME OR THIS MEETING.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO FOLK TO HAVE SOME TIME TO DISCUSS THE, THE VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR APPOINTMENT PRIOR TO THAT, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE FROM A WELL THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT DATE THAT COULD AFFECT THAT TOO.

WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO IT OVER FOURTH? WORST, YOUR STAFF IS, UH, EVENING PREFERRED DAYTIME.

SO WE HAVE TO DO IN PERSON, SAME TIME.

WE WOULD TYPICALLY MEET WOULD 5 30, 6, 30, AND 13 TO GET THAT'D BE HERE.

IT COULD BE HERE.

UH, IF IT WAS PREFERRED AT ANOTHER LOCATION, WE CAN DO THAT TO YOU.

I THINK MOST FOLKS LIVE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN.

SO PROBABLY THE TREE HOUSE, MAYBE, MAYBE BEST I'LL CONFIRM AVAILABILITY THOUGH.

UM, WORST CASE, WORST CASE, IT CAN BE AT A SERVICE CENTER OR BEST CASE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

THEY HAVE TO BE A DIFFERENT MEANING FOR THAT.

I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE THE NEED FOR AN ATTORNEY, BUT IF, IF THERE'S INTEREST IN TAKING A DEEPER DIVE ON AN, ON AN ISSUE THAT MAY NEED LEGAL COUNSEL, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THEM AVAILABLE.

THEN IN

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YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT THEY ARE OCCUPYING THE SPACE, UM, AND THE PRESTON WOULD PLAY SHOPPING CENTER, UM, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF, UH, BELTLINE AND MONTFORT DRIVE.

UM, THEY'RE ALREADY TENANT AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER A TEMPORARY CEO, JUST SOME QUICK BACKSTORY ON THAT, UM, IN INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TEAM, UM, AND, UH, WITH THIS TENANT, IT WAS COMMUNICATED THAT THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE A GRAB AND GO TYPE, UH, FOOD, UH, SALES, AS FAR AS COFFEE AND FOOD.

AND BASED ON HOW OUR ZONING ORDINANCES DEFINED RESTAURANT, IT DID NOT TRIGGER THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

UM, WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY SEATING PROPOSED WITHIN THE TENANT SPACE, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER, UM, UH, KEY THAT WE LOOK AT WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW RESTAURANTS, OCCUPYING SPACES AND IN THE TOWN OF MADISON, UM, WE LATER FOUND DURING THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY INSPECTIONS THAT THEY DID IN FACT INCLUDE SEATING WITHIN THE ESTABLISHMENT AND ALSO, UM, OUTDOOR SEATING WITHIN THEIR PATIO AREA.

UM, HENCE WHY WE'RE HEARING THIS CASE TODAY, UH, FOR THE SPECIALTIES PER REQUEST, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE AND NOT REQUIRE THEM TO REMOVE THE SEATING.

UM, WE DID ISSUE THE TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THEM TO OPEN AND OPERATE, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SPECIAL PERMIT BE APPROVED.

UM, AND IN CONSIDERED TODAY, THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS THAT I WENT BY THERE SATURDAY, AND THEN I WENT BY THERE AGAIN TODAY.

AND IT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION.

IT'S NOT A DEAL BREAKER.

IT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S IN THAT PARKING LOT.

SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND SCHOOL'S OUT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS ON THE WEEKEND, THE SCHOOL'S OUT, BUT THERE WAS A LOT, A LOT OF KIDS ARE, SO I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE TO CORRECT ME, I BELIEVE THIS IS THEIR ONE OF THEIR FIRST WEEKENDS THAT THEY ARE FULLY OPERATING.

AND, UM, JUST IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH, UM, LOLA LAN KIND OF HAVE A, THEY ARE, UH, PRETTY POPULAR IN SOCIAL MEDIA, THEIR, UM, MISSION STATEMENT AND, AND THEY'RE THEY'RE, UM, THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF IS NOT ONLY FOCUSED IN COFFEE, BUT ALSO HAS A MISSION AND, AND HELPING, UH, FOSTER CHILDREN THAT HAVE HR SYSTEM.

SO JUST HINTS,

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UM, AS FAR AS WHAT, BUT, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.

AND DURING THE BRANDER SESSION, IS THERE A SPECIFIC CONCERN WITH REGARDS TO HOW THEY'RE OPERATING? NO, NOT HOW THEIR OPERATION, BUT JUST THE VOLUME OF I'M SURPRISED THAT THE PARKING LOT WAS FULL.

AND THEN WHEN I LOOKED AROUND, THEY MUST'VE BEEN HOWEVER MANY SEATS THEY HAVE INSIDE AND ABORIGINE SEATS THEY HAVE OUTSIDE WERE ALL OCCUPIED AND PEOPLE GATHERED OTHER PEOPLE'S.

AND I SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT OUTSIDE OF THEIR 10 SPACE IS A COMMON, UH, SEATING AREA FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER, UM, THAT, THAT WAS DONE IN 2019, CORRECT.

IT'S NOT PART OF THEIR LEASE SPACE.

NOW, THE, THE CHAIRS THAT ARE LIKE IMMEDIATE AND TABLES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE STOREFRONT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT, UH, THAT SECOND SEATING AREA THAT IS CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT.

THAT'S COMMON TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH.

I JUST WANT THE WORD THEY WERE SO, SO IS THERE A CONCERN, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A SPECIFIC CONCERN, JUST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE NUMBER OF CARS AND IN THE DAYTIME, I GUESS IT'S ONE THING, YOU KNOW, WILL THEY BE THERE AT NIGHT? HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN OUT? BUT, UM, I BELIEVE, I WANT TO SAY ABOUT TWO WEEKS.

I WAS WONDERING IF MAYBE IT WAS A GRANDDAD THING AND THAT WAS WHY THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE THERE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WASN'T ANY SIGNAGE TONIGHT.

NOPE.

DON'T REALIZE THEY DID IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

I SAW THE SAME THING IS YOU SAID SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF.

IS THERE ANY, DO THEY SERVE SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR THAT ATTRACTS A BUNCH OF HILLS? SO, UM, THEY, I THINK PART OF IT IS, IS THEIR MISSION STATEMENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF IS THEIR DRIVING FORCE IS WHAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE DO THEM.

THEY'RE, UH, THEY HAVE A FEW LOCATIONS HERE IN THE DALLAS AND THE DALLAS CITY LIMITS PHYSICALLY, UM, IN VERY URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, SO THEY THEY'VE GAINED A LOT OF ATTRACTION THROUGH THAT.

UM, THEY DO SERVE SPECIFICALLY COFFEE AND, UM, SOME, I WOULD SAY LUNCH TYPE ITEMS, TOAST, UM, GRAB AND GO FOOD ITEMS, BUT SPECIFICALLY SPECIALIZING COFFEE.

I MEAN, SURPRISINGLY, OTHER THAN THE STARBUCKS DOWN BELTLINE A LITTLE BIT AND THE SMALL COFFEE BAR INSIDE WHOLE FOODS, THERE IS NO COFFEE PLACE ON EAST EAST HAVE.

UM, SO MAYBE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I WAS JUST SURPRISED TO, I THINK, I THINK YOU HIT ON A GREAT POINT THERE.

I THINK IT, THE SAME PEOPLE, THERE IS A, IS VERY MUCH A POSITIVE THING IT'S, UH, BRINGING PEOPLE INTO AND, OR ADDISON RESIDENTS BEING SERVED AND, AND THERE A SOCIAL SPACE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ALSO INTRODUCE THEM TO OTHER BUSINESSES, NOT ONLY IN PRESTON WOOD PLACE, BUT OTHER AREAS OF, UH, SINUS SUCCESS.

BUT I, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S REALLY THE KEY THING.

UM, I THINK PROBABLY, UH, MORE THAN ANY OTHER EAS COFFEE SHOP IS, IS DEMANDED BY, UH, PEOPLE ACROSS ALL DEMOGRAPHICS.

SO, UM, CERTAINLY ONE THAT CATERS MORE TO A YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC PROBABLY IS, IS GOING TO BE, UH, OCCUPIED BY THAT DEMOGRAPHIC.

SO A GOOD THING TO SEE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OPERATE THERE.

THE ONE LOCATION IS 77 OR OTHER LOCATIONS, 6:30 AM TO 7:00 PM.

I THINK, UM, PART OF IT IS PROBABLY THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE, BOTH OUR GIRLS, LIKE WE DROVE TO GREENVILLE AVENUE BEFORE THEY OPENED.

SO THEY REALLY SOMEHOW TARGET THAT GROUP.

AND THEN, YEAH, UH, WE, WE, UM, LAST WEEK WENT AND TRIED JEN'S ICE CREAM FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHICH WAS GREAT BY THE WAY.

AND MY WIFE, AND I'M GOING TO WALK DOWN AND GET A CUP OF COFFEE THERE AND BE CLOSED NOODLES, PROBABLY EIGHT O'CLOCK.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A COVID THING AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE LIMITED HOURS NIGHT.

WELL, PART OF THAT MIGHT BE AGE TOO, CAUSE YOU HAD TO BE CAREFUL WITH KIDS TILL THEY'RE 16 TO 18 AND THEY CAN'T WORK PAST A CERTAIN TIME AT NIGHT THINKING THEY HAVE TO TURN 18 BEFORE THEY CAN GO ON FOR A SHORT TIME DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, PAST A CERTAIN TIME AT NIGHT.

YES, THERE WILL BE A REPRESENTATIVE WITH HORRIBLE.

SO KEN AND I EXCHANGED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I HAD ON THIS ONE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS, BUT YOU BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF ISSUES.

I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA WITH THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING.

AND THAT IS, YOU SAID THAT THE S SEP PROCESS AS AN ED IS KIND OF ATYPICAL FOR THIS AREA.

AND

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AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THAT YOU MADE INDICATION THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH OUR SUV.

AND SO MY QUESTION, YOUR POSITION, MEANING IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO BE MORE PROACTIVE IN GETTING BUSINESSES TO FAMILIAR WITH WHAT OUR REGULATIONS ARE, SO THAT A FUTURE SITUATION LIKE THIS DON'T OCCUR, WHERE SOMEBODY JUST DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REQUIRED.

AND ALSO THEY PUT IN A LARGE BAR THAT HAS TO COME OUT, OR SO I THINK THOSE TWO POINTS YOU MADE WERE GOOD, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU BE PROACTIVE ON THOSE, UH, I AGREE WE WE'VE STARTED, UM, TYPICALLY ON, ON THE SECOND POINT, UM, UH, SOME OF THAT IS A STAFF ISSUE.

UM, PRESSED, I GAVE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE DROPPED THE BALL ON PRESSED.

UM, THEY CAME, THE PERMIT CAME ACROSS OUR DESK.

UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON WHETHER AN SEP WAS REQUIRED, BUT STAFF MEMBER COMFORT CONFIRMED WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THAT WAS A NEED.

SO UNTIL THEY GOT TO MY DESK TO, FOR, UH, APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS NEVER ADDRESSED.

SO THEY, THEY HAD TO GET THEIR SEP WAITING TOO LATE IN THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WITH THIS ONE.

UM, MULTIPLE TIMES WE ENGAGE THEM, UM, WHERE IT, UM, WE, UH, HAVE CHALLENGES IS WHEN THE BUSINESS HAS COME IN.

UH, THEY TYPICALLY LIKE THIS BUSINESS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE LOCATIONS IN DALLAS, UH, HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY HAD TO GET SMPS FOR THE USES OF THE DALLAS, UH, OTHER BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES HERE IN DFW, OTHER STATES, UH, SAME THING FOR SOMEONE THAT USES, UM, PROBABLY LESS SO FOR SOMETHING THAT IS MORE ALCOHOL CENTRIC, BUT FOR SAY A JUICE BAR OR A COFFEE SHOP.

AND THAT THOSE USES ARE PRETTY RARE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

SO WE DO NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB, UM, WITH THINGS LIKE OUR WEBSITE, OUR REVIEW PROCESS, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND MARKETING TEAM WHO, UH, ENGAGED BUSINESSES ON THE FRONT END TO CLOSE THAT GAP, OXYGEN DTC, WITH THE SENSE OF IT.

AND WITH THE UDC, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED.

I SUSPECT WE'LL PROBABLY DISCUSS THIS MORE AS WE GET CLOSER TO ADOPTION, WE WOULD NOT REQUIRE AN SVP FOR RESTAURANT USE THIS MOVING FORWARD.

UM, THAT'S FOR, UM, SOME FOLKS THAT'S A, THAT'S A POINT OF DISCUSSION, UM, BUT THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED AND THE WAY IT WAS DISCUSSED WHEN THAT, UH, CHAPTER OF THE UDC WAS REVIEWED BACK AT THE FRONT END OF THE PROJECT BEFORE MY TIME, IT WAS TO GET OUT OF THE SMP BUSINESS FOR RESTAURANTS.

SO WE'LL DISCUSS THAT MORE, UH, BEFORE ADOPTION, BUT, UM, IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN THAT CERTAINLY ELIMINATES A LOT OF THESE ISSUES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MODEL ONLY? OKAY.

I GOT ALL THESE TEXAS LOCATIONS, ONE LOCATION IN CALIFORNIA, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS WEIRD TOO.

ALL RIGHT.

SO OUR SECOND CASE IS ALSO REQUESTED WITH PLACE.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT? SURE.

SO YOU'RE CORRECT.

UH, THIS AMENDMENT IS, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY I'VE KNOWN AS A PERSON WOULD PLAYS SHOPPING CENTER.

IT'S ACTUALLY AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2019.

UH, WE HAD AN INQUIRY OR A PROSPECT TENANT THAT CONTACTED STAFF, UH, TO LOCATE WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THAT'S ONE MEDICAL OR THERE A PRIMARY CARE FACILITY IS A MEMBERSHIP-BASED, UH, UH, SERVICE.

AND, UH, IN REVIEWING THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UM, THAT PD HAS, UH, AS A, UH, IT'S BASED ON THE LOCAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH DOES NOT PERMIT MEDICAL OFFICE AS, UH, AS A USE.

UM, THEREFORE THEY ARE BRINGING FORWARD A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ALLOW MEDICAL OFFICE AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

UH, THE ASSOCIATED PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED BACK IN 2019 WILL NOT BE MODIFIED.

THOSE WILL CARRY THROUGH, UM, IF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO BE APPROVED.

SO WHEN YOU SAY A MEMBERSHIP BASED, IS THAT A CONCIERGE DOCTOR? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

THE APPLICANT WILL BE HERE TO SPEAK TO THAT, OR THE SOMEONE WITH MEDICAL WINE.

I BELIEVE THEY PAY A MEMBERSHIP IT'S, UM, NOT QUITE LIKE A INSURANCE SERVICE, BUT YOU PAY A FEE AND YOU GO THERE FOR PRIMARY CARE, THE CONSEQUENCES.

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I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S KIND OF A COOL IDEA.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY GIVE ME A BEEPER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT AND I CAN GO SHOP UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO COME, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

I, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE.

IT'S QUITE AN INNOVATIVE BUSINESS MODEL.

UM, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

THEY'VE LOCATED IN SOME, UH, UH, VERY INTERESTING AREAS NOW WHERE YOU WOULD TYPICALLY EXPECT A DOCTOR'S OFFICE TO BE LOCATED.

I KNOW THAT PROBABLY THAT THOUGHT CAME TO MIND WITH REGARDS TO PRESTON WOULD PLACE AS WELL ON THE, CERTAINLY SOME, UH, COMPATIBLE USES AND SIMILAR USES MORE HEALTH AND WELLNESS ORIENTED, A HEALTH TECHNOLOGY, UM, OFFICE SPACE.

UM, BUT, UH, THIS IS A LITTLE UNIQUE.

UH, THEY TYPICALLY LOCATED IN RETAIL AREAS LIKE THIS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE DOMAIN, UH, IN AUSTIN.

UM, THEY'RE LOCATED IN MIXED.

THESE BUILDINGS HAVE A LOCATION IN HOUSTON, UH, LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, IT REALLY IS A, UH, AN INTERESTING MODEL AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY STRONG FIT, UH, WITH THIS PROJECTS.

UM, WE DID, UM, UH, WITH THE, UH, ISSUE OF WHETHER MEDICAL OFFICE IS AN APPROPRIATE USE IN THE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT.

YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE PRESENTATION WE GIVE, UM, UH, DURING THE REGULAR MEETING, BUT WE LOOKED AT, UM, A RANGE OF, UH, CITIES IN THE REGION, UH, THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD USE AS BENCHMARKS.

UM, IT IS VERY, UH, YOU'LL SEE, FROM THOSE RESULTS, IT IS VERY ATYPICAL FOR A CITY TO NOT ALLOW MEDICAL OFFICE USE, UH, IN A, UH, LOCAL RETAIL TYPE OF DISTRICT.

UM, IF YOU DO SEE SOME VARIATION, IT WOULD BE, UM, SAY LIKE, UH, DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN, UM, UH, TRADITIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE AND PERHAPS URGENT CARE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE INTENSIVE, LIKE A 24 HOUR ER TYPE OF BUSINESS.

SO, UH, IF THERE'S INTEREST IN DISCUSSING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK THROUGH THAT, UH, DURING THE REGULAR MEETING AS WELL, BUT MEDICAL OFFICE LIKE THIS, UH, IT WOULD BE VERY UNUSUAL TO NOT BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, AND A LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY ON THIS ONE CAN, IS WHATEVER THE DEFINITION OF A MEDICAL OFFICE IS, WHETHER THAT'S CLEAR IN OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS OR THE UDC WOULD BE CLEAR WHAT WE DON'T WANT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, UNLESS THIS, THIS AREA IS STILL A LITTLE SENSITIVE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LIKE 12 YEARS AGO TO AN ATTEMPT TO PUT IN BASICALLY A FULL MEDICALS HOSPITAL ONLINE.

SO YOU'VE GOT AMBULANCES AND YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF ALL THE TIMES NINE.

SO I WILL MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO THIS AMENDMENT, IT DOESN'T OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR THOSE KINDS OF SERVICES LIKE YOURS OR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, A MEDICAL OFFICE, WHATEVER THE DEFINITION IS.

AND THEN IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION PREFERS, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE ADD SOME DEFINITION LANGUAGE INTO THE PD AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS THAT OUR, OUR BASE CODE IT.

YOU PROBABLY SAW THE MEDICAL OFFICE DEFINITION THAT'S IN THERE.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S, UH, FOR SETTING A VERY LOW BAR IT'S SUITABLE, BUT I THINK THESE OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE CLEAR, UH, SO IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO GO, AND WE CAN MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON THAT ONE, UH, IN ANY CONDITION YOU PUT ON YOUR, YOUR, UH, ACTION.

I THINK THAT CHANGES.

YEAH.

YEAH, YEAH.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE HELP ON THE LAWYER TO COME UP WITH THE LANGUAGE OF EMOTIONAL AND HOW WE, WHAT WE NEED TO ADD IS IF THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE ELSE.

YES.

THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS COVERAGES FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE LOOKING AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS IN THE DALLAS REGION AND ADDISON BEING ONE OF THEM.

WE ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER CASE THAT WE LOOKED AT SOMETIME BACK, OR WE LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION THE PLACE ON THE STREET.

I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR.

YES, SIR.

SO I THINK IT'S EASY TO JUST PUT HOURS OF OPERATION INTO MOTION AND THAT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT CASE.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN, UH, THE PLANT IN REPLANT, THE TREATMENT CAN TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

SURE.

SO, UM, PLATS, UH, A MINISTERIAL REVIEW PROCESS AND THAT, UH, THE TOWN HAS, UH, PER STATE LAW, UH, 30 DAYS TO TAKE ACTION ON A PLAT APPLICATION.

THE ACTION THAT IS TO BE TAKEN, UH, IS EITHER TO APPROVE

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IF THE PLAT FULLY COMPLIES WITH THOM REGULATIONS, WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO APPROVE THAT PLAT WITHIN 30 DAYS, IF IT DOES NOT COMPLY, UH, WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW OR WE'RE ALLOWED AND PERMITTED BY STATE LAW TO DENY A PLAT BASED ON SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH.

UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS, UM, UH, WITH THEIR PLAN DEDICATION OF RIGHT AWAY, THEY PREVIOUSLY, UH, DEDICATED, UM, UH, WITH ENCORE A, AN ELECTRIC EASEMENT WITHIN, UH, AN AREA THAT THEY WERE NOW, UM, ELECTING TO DEDICATE, UH, RIGHT AVOIDED THE TOWN.

THE TOWN IS CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL ENCUMBRANCES WITH THAT EASEMENT THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH OUR ABILITY TO USE THAT RIGHT AWAY.

SO WE NEED ADDITIONAL TIME TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES WITH THE APPLICANT, A STATE LAW, UH, PERMITS THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT ONLY.

SO THE TOWN COULD NOT FORCE THIS UPON THE APPLICANT, UH, TO REQUEST A ONE-TIME 30 DAY EXTENSION TO THEIR PLAQUE REVIEW PROCESS.

SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR CONSIDERATION OF THAT REQUEST, WHICH A STAFF OF COURSE RECOMMENDS THAT YOU APPROVE THAT REQUEST.

IT COULD BE MORE TIME TO WORK OUT THE ISSUES QUESTIONS, RIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE WILL CLOSE OUR WORK SESSION.

OH, YES.

I NOTICED THAT DRIVING BY THE TUB THROWN DOWN ON PORCH, THAT THEY'RE BUILDING A FOUNDATION, IS THAT FOR THAT COFFEE PLACE, DESPERATE, DESPERATE, DID WE REALLY APPROVE THAT? TOTALLY.

OR YOU NEVER SAW ANY PLANS FOR IT, OR SO YOU SAW THESE, UH, YOU APPROVED THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDED REVIEW OF SITE PLAN LANDSCAPE PLAN YEAH.

SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED ON THE CONSOLE ACTED ON IS PRIOR TO THEM RECEIVING THE CEO, THEY NEED TO HAVE A TRAFFIC OPERATIONS PLAN APPROVED BY STAFF.

SO THEY HAD, YES, THEY HAVE OUR FEEDBACK.

THEY HAVE OUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.

AND PRIOR TO THEM OPENING, UH, THEY NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'LL BE IMPLEMENTING, UM, THAT THOSE CONDITIONS .

THANK YOU.

DON'T FORGET THEM BETWEEN ME AND I AM OUT CORRECTLY.

YEAH, I WILL.

THANK YOU THOUGH.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WON'T TAKE A THREE MINUTE BREAK.