* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Call Meeting to Order] [00:00:11] UM, GOOD. WOULD YOU START OUT BY GIVING [1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.] US A RECAP OF ABSOLUTELY GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS? SO, UM, AT THE RECENT NOVEMBER, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEY ACTED ON THREE PLANNING ZONING CASES, UH, FROM THE OCTOBER MEETING. UH, FIRST CASE WAS THE, UH, SUP FOR GREENHILL SCHOOL THAT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL. UH, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT DISCUSSION, UH, AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH GREENHILL TO ADDRESS IT, UH, DURING THE, UH, CIVIL SITE DESIGN PROCESS WITH REGARDS TO THE LOCATION OF AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR, UH, FOR THE STORM SHELTER. SO, UH, THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH US AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND A BETTER LOCATION, UM, FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS SITUATED. SO THERE'LL BE, UH, ENTERING INTO THE CIVIL SITE DESIGN PROCESS HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AND THEIR GOAL IS TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY WINTER WITH THE, UH, AUGUST 23 COMPLETION DATE, THE OTHER TWO ITEMS. UH, SO THE, UH, CONCERN, EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR THAT WOULD NOT INFREQUENTLY USED, UH, IT WAS SITUATED ADJACENT, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE'VE PROVIDED THEM WITH THAT FEEDBACK AND, AND, UH, UH, I DO BELIEVE THERE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT SO MORE TO FOLLOW ON THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, TWO ITEMS WERE BOTH POKAY RELATED. UM, FIRST WAS THE, UH, LOW KEY POKEY JOINT AND VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY THAT WAS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF SEVEN ZERO. AND THEN ALSO POKEY WORKS AND SMP, OR INDEED POKEY RESTAURANT, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, UM, UH, NORTH OF BELTLINE THAT ALSO WAS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF SEVEN ZERO, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION UPCOMING. UH, WE HAVE OUR DECEMBER MEETING SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 21ST, UH, LATE IN THE MONTH. UM, AS IT STANDS NOW, WE MAY HAVE, UH, ONE CASE. UH, I WILL KEEP THE COMMISSION UPDATED, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE STATUS OF THAT CASE. AND IF IT IS TO REMAIN, THEN, UH, WE'LL CONDUCT THE MEETING ACCORDINGLY AND I'LL PROVIDE NOTICE TO YOU, UH, SO YOU CAN ADJUST YOUR SCHEDULES AS NEEDED. AND THEN ALSO, UH, SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FOR THE YEAR. UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WHEN WE WENT OVER YOUR RULES AND PROCEDURES DOCUMENT, UM, THERE WAS, UH, AN ITEM IN THERE THAT RELATED TO HAVING A PLANNING, MEETING AN ANNUAL PLANNING MEETING FOR THE COMMISSION IN JANUARY. SO AT THAT TIME THAT'S ALSO WHEN YOU BEGIN TO CONSIDER POTENTIAL ROLES SUCH AS VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR. AND I KNOW ALSO SOME OF YOU DID RECEIVE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY NOTICE, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE STATUS OF YOUR SEAT ON THE COMMISSION AND INTEREST IN APPLYING FOR AN EXTENSION, UH, IN YOUR ROLE FOR THE COMMISSION AND THAT ANY MEETING IS OUTSIDE OF ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, CORRECT. UH, THAT IS AS IT IS NOW, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IF IT'S A CHALLENGE, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW I WOULD CALL THAT BEING STRUCTURED IN THE, IN THE PROCEDURES DOCUMENT. AND WHEN DO WE PICK UP THE UDC MEETINGS AGAIN, UH, THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE LIKELY IN FEBRUARY, AND I'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT WITH THE VARIOUS PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW. UH, THE UPC GOT DELAYED A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AND WE'LL HAVE SOME PROGRESS OR YOU'RE SEEING, UM, ONE QUICK UPDATE ON THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY. UM, WE MET WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, LAST THURSDAY AT A VERY POSITIVE DISCUSSION AND IDENTIFIED SOME ACTION ITEMS, UH, FOR MOVING THAT PROJECT FORWARD. AND WE'LL BE HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE WORKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION AREA AT THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY THAT SERVES AS BOTH A BUFFER TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALSO AS A POTENTIAL TRAIL CORRIDOR. SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON PROVIDING SOME PLANNING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT. AND THEN ALSO WE'RE GOING TO START DRAFTING AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF KEY, UH, PLANNING ELEMENTS, AND DESIGN PRINCIPLES THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER AS PART OF THAT PROJECT THAT START GETTING, UH, COMMITTEE FEEDBACK ON THOSE AND ULTIMATELY USING THOSE TO SHAPE A FINAL REPORT DOCUMENT FOR THAT PROJECT THAT ULTIMATELY BRING FORWARD TO THIS BODY AND CITY COUNCIL. UM, AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, WE DO HAVE A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS THAT ARE PROGRESSING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT THE, THE COFFEE SHOP, UH, IN THE BROOKHAVEN SHOPPING CENTER ON DUTCH BROS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. UM, ALSO, UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY RECENTLY, YOU'LL SEE THAT DISTRICT, UH, UH, RESTAURANT, UH, UH, IS ALSO UNDER CONSTRUCTION, [00:05:01] UM, OAT, UH, THE BARBECUE RESTAURANTS, UH, OVER THERE ON THE BELTLINE THAT THE OLD CHAMBERLIN SEAFOOD MARKET, UH, RESTAURANT THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. UH, AND THEN ALSO, UM, WE RECENTLY RECEIVED A PERMIT APPLICATION FOR LAURA. SO THAT'S MOVING ALONG. AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE, UH, ADVANCED TO THE CIVIL SITE DESIGN PROCESS FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING ON BELTWAY. SO THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM, UH, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION ON THAT UPDATE AT THIS TIME, THE CHAMBERLAINS FISH MARKET, AS FAR AS THE STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION? YEAH. UH, I CAN CHECK ON THAT. I KNOW IT'S UNDERWAY. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEY'VE GOT SOME MATERIALS, WHAT TIMELINE I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE OTHER IT'S COME UP A LOT, THE BLUE GOOSE CANTINA THAT FORMER PROPERTY THAT WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD EVENTUALLY INTO THE PERMITTING PROCESS. WE'LL START TO SEE SOME EARLY WORK ON THAT PROPERTY TO, TO, UH, DO SOME FACADE REPAIRS, BUT, UH, IT'S PROPOSED TO BE A JAKES, UH, HAMBURGERS. IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT THEY'RE STARTING TO DO, WORK ON. THEY'VE BEEN DOING WORK. YEAH. THERE WAS A FIRE IN THERE. SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON SOME OF THE INTERIOR WORK. AND THEN ALSO THEY'VE GOT SOME EXTERIOR WORK, MAYBE CREWS ABOUT, UH, IT'S BEEN QUIET RECENTLY. YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT EATING THAT BARBECUE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU WOULD ANSWER THIS, BUT WHAT SORT OF EFFECT HAS THIS CONSTRUCTION PROPERTY HELP IN GETTING LINKS FROM BUSINESS OWNERS ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING, WHETHER IT'S A RESTAURANT OR WHEREVER KIND OF ESTABLISHMENT IT'S BEEN? UH, SO ONE THING I DO NEED TO DO, I NEED TO GIVE KUDOS TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND MARKETING TEAM. THEY'VE PRODUCED A LOT OF OUTREACH MATERIALS, WEBSITE VIDEOS. THEY DO A LOT OF WORK ON SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR TEXT MESSAGES INDICATING THAT PROVIDE UPDATES ON THE PROJECT STATUS. SO THAT HAS HELPED A LOT. UM, WITH THAT SAID THAT THE NATURE OF ANY MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT THERE ARE GOING TO BE INCONVENIENCES. WE SEE IT WHEN WE, WE DRIVE THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR. SO CERTAINLY THAT'S NOT WITHOUT IMPACT. UH, I WOULD SHARE THAT THE, THE, I THINK OUR RESTAURANTS HAVE BEEN QUITE RESILIENT DURING THIS TIME. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RECENT CLOSURES, UH, IN THAT AREA. UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT IS A LONG PROJECT. AND SO WE NEED TO DO OUR BEST TO SUPPORT THOSE RESTAURANTS. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS ALSO DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO THOSE RESTAURANTS, TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO DINE THERE AND SUPPORT THEM DURING THIS CHALLENGING PERIOD. [2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the November 16, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting, including: October 19, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting minutes Replat of the Vitruvian Park Addition (R2021-01) SUP for 14854 Montfort Drive - TK's Place (1841-SUP) SUP for 14450 Marsh Lane - Tierra Encantada (1842-SUP) Vitruvian Park Concept Plan Amendment and Development Plan Approval - 85 Multifamily Dwelling Units at the Southeast Corner of Spring Valley Road and Vitruvian Way (1839-Z)] UM, LET'S GO, LET'S LOOK AT THE CASES THAT WE WON'T BE HAVING ON MY HEAD, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE RETRIBUTIVE PART REPLANT. AND I KNOW YOU'VE HAD SOME COMMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE UP. AND SO JUST VERY BRIEFLY, JENNIFER WILL ADDRESS THIS, THAT SHE WAS CASE MANAGER, BUT, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD A PLAT, UH, ON THE AGENDA SINCE, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THAT'S FAIRLY RARE FOR COMMUNITIES, BUT THINK THAT'S KIND OF A SIGN OF WHERE ADDISON IS AND ITS LIFE CYCLE WHERE WE'RE LARGELY BUILT OUT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT OF VACANT LAND IN GENERAL. ALL OF OUR LOTS ARE PLANTED, BUT, UH, I PLACED THIS AS WELL AS THE MINUTES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, PLATS ARE A MINISTERIAL APPROVAL PROCESS IN TEXAS. SO IF THEY COMPLY WITH TOWN AND STATE LAW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO APPROVE THE PLAT. SO IT'S NOT DISCRETIONARY. SO, UH, IN OUR REVIEW, IN JENNIFER'S REVIEW, WE'VE DETERMINED THAT IT DOES COMPLY WITH OUR REGULATIONS. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S PLACED ON THAT. SO I'M ACTUALLY RATHER QUICK. YES, MA'AM GOT IT. JENNIFER, YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL US? I CAN GIVE YOU JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE REQUEST. I'M GETTING JENNIFER TEDRICK AND THEN YOU'D DEVELOP A MANAGER. UM, SO THE REQUEST AS CONVENTIONS A REPLY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ONE OF THESE IN QUITE SOME TIME, BUT, UH, GENERALLY THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE PLAT IS IN THIS CASE IS TO CONSOLIDATE, UH, TWO PLATTER PROPERTIES. UM, AND THEY ARE ALSO CREATING A LOT FOR THE, UM, [00:10:01] DUTCH BROS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IN ADDITION TO THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY OR THE CREATION OF THE LOGS, THERE'LL BE DEDICATING EASEMENTS FOR UTILITIES AND, UH, SHARED ACCESS BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES, ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO TELL US THEN ABOUT THE LOCATION ON THE RESTAURANT. SURE. SO THIS, UH, LOCATION ON MONTFORT, UM, ADDRESSES ESCAPING ME 14, 8, 5, 4 MUNFORD DRIVE. UH, MANY OF YOU KNOW, THAT IT WAS, UH, OCCUPIED BY 9 7 2 1 9 7 2. UM, THEY HAVE SINCE VACATED THE PROPERTY AND IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW, UM, THAT THEY PUBLIC SCHOOL IN 9 72, DID A MAJOR RENOVATION IN 2015. SO THIS NEW TENANT IS PROPOSING TO OCCUPY THE SPACE IS THAT IT'S A NEW RESTAURANT CONCEPT. UM, THEY WILL LEARN ON PROPOSING TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR RELIEVING WHAT, UM, THE PREVIOUS TENANT, THE PREVIOUS IMPROVEMENTS MADE. UM, SO THE CONCEPT IS, IS A LITTLE UNIQUE. UH, THE OWNERS ARE, UH, IN THE, IN THE COMEDY INDUSTRY AND ARE NOW VENTURING INTO THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS. UM, THE WIFE, KARA, UH, SHE IS A COMEDIAN HAS DONE STANDUP ON AMERICA. IT'S GOT TALENT AND COMEDY CENTRAL. SO SHE HAS SOME NOTORIETY, UM, BEHIND HER NAME AS FAR AS A, A COMEDIAN, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TEXAS NATIVES, AND THEY'RE COMING BACK, MOVING BACK TO TEXAS FROM LA, UM, AND OPENING THE TKS PLACE, UM, AT THAT LOCATION. SO WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE THINGS YOU'LL SEE ON A FLOOR PLAN IS, UM, THEY, THE FLOOR PLAN HAS THIS LABEL OF LOOSE SEATING AND THAT'S, UH, WILL ALLOW THEM TO REARRANGE, UH, TABLES AND CHAIRS, UM, IN ORDER TO HOLD, UH, COMEDY EVENTS. UM, AND THAT WILL BE SERVED WITH IT'LL BE SERVED WITH YOUR DINNER ESSENTIALLY. SO IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, UM, UH, UH, ENTER IN, UH, IT'S A NEW CONCEPT WHERE IT'S SIMILAR TO LIKE A MOVIE THEATER WHERE YOU COME IN, YOU EAT AND YOU ALSO ARE ENTERTAINED. UM, AND IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE WITH STANDUP COMEDY. SO THE OWNERS WILL BE WITH US TODAY AND THEY CAN SHARE MORE ABOUT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PASSIONATE OF HOSPITALITY IN COMEDY IN THIS NEW VENTURE THEY'RE GETTING INTO NASA. UH, IT'S AMERICAN, I WOULD SAY. UM, UH, I DO HAVE A, I, I DIDN'T REMEMBER I SPENT SO, UH, BUT, UH, YOUR TYPICAL AMERICAN BURGERS, PIZZAS, THAT SORT OF THING, THAT THEY WILL HAVE A LUNCH AND DINNER, UH, OPTION AND ARE ALSO ANTICIPATING A BRUNCH MENU. YEAH, I'M SURE PROBABLY STUFF IS FOR THREE NIGHTS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN. SO THE RESTAURANT WILL BE OPENED, UM, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. UM, AND IT WILL GO INTO THE LATE HOURS. I THINK THAT THE LASERS IS ON THE WEEKENDS, SATURDAYS TILL MIDNIGHT, FRIDAYS, AND SATURDAYS TILL MIDNIGHT, UM, OPENING AT 10, 10 OR 11:00 AM. UM, AND AT THE MOMENT THEY DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULE PER SE FOR THE COMEDY EVENTS. UM, THEY ANTICIPATE BEING PART OF THE PERFORMERS THAT WILL DO, UM, WEEKEND EVENTS, IF YOU WILL. UM, AND THEN AS ONCE SAY THAT FROM WHAT I'VE TOLD, ONCE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE MARKET THEY'LL START SCHEDULING, UM, UH, COMEDIAN FRIENDS THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE, UH, HAVE NETWORKS WITH IN THE COMEDY INDUSTRY TO, TO HOST EVENTS AT THAT LOCATION. SO PART OF THE CONDITION AND THE OWNER UNDERSTANDS IS TO LIMIT THE COMEDY EVENTS IN THREE NIGHTS A WEEK. AND IT'S LIKE, CORRECT, OR YES, THE CONDITION DOESN'T STAY, WHICH NIGHTS, UH, THE, THE REASON WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE CONDITION IS TO ENSURE THAT IT TRULY FUNCTIONS AS A RESTAURANT. UM, AND WE, AND ALSO WE WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE EXISTING, UH, RESIDENTIAL THAT IS NOT TOO FAR ACROSS THE POINT OF VIEW. WE'LL, UM, THEY DO HAVE AN OUTDOOR PATIO. SO THAT'S ALSO WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT, KEEPING IT INDOOR SO THAT THE, UM, EVENTS ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE BUILDINGS, CORRECT QUESTION. AND WE RAN INTO THIS LAST MONTH, TOO, WHERE WE HAVE A TENANT MOVING ON TO A PROPERTY, AND WE MAKE THE COMMENT GIVEN THAT THE SINGLE-TENANT COMPRISES A PORTION OF THE BAR [00:15:01] OF THE LARGER SITE. IT WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL TO REQUIRE THE ENTIRE SITE COMPLIANCE. I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHY DO WE SAY THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TENANT, THAT ADDITIONAL CASHFLOW TO ALLOW THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO BRING THE SIGN UP TO COMPLIANCE. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY DON'T WE FEEL THAT? SO, AND THAT'S, IT MAY BE A LITTLE MISLEADING. UM, STAFF DID LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THE, OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. UM, THIS BUILDING IS PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT. IT HAS THE PRESTON WHERE UPON OFFICE, AND ALSO THE BLUE MESA BUILDING. IT'S ALL PART OF ONE LINE. THEY SHARE THE EXISTING UNDERGROUND AND SURFACE PARKING. UM, SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE LANDSCAPING WELL THAT WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT GENERALLY IS IN COMPLIANCE AND THE REASON, UH, STAFF BELIEVES IT, IT WOULDN'T BE REASONABLE TO REQUIRE THEM TO UPDATE ALL THE LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE. IT'S JUST GIVEN THAT THEIR PORTION IS ONLY, IT'S ONLY A PORTION OF THE ENTIRE LOT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE REASONABLE FOR STAFF TO THEN REQUIRE THE WHOLE SITE TO THEN COME INTO COMPLIANCE. UM, WHEN THEY'RE ONLY OCCUPYING THE PORTION, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POLICY DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE ARE RELATED TO THE UBC, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE WOULD NEED TO PIN DOWN. I DON'T REALLY LIKE BRINGING FORWARD THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT I AGREE WITH IT IS KIND OF AWKWARD. AND, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, WE DO HAVE TO BALANCE WHAT WE CAN REQUIRE WHEN REDEVELOPMENT AND REINVESTMENT OCCURS, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO JUST CHECK THE BLOCK AND, AND, AND LET THEM PASS WITH SOME OF THESE SITES THAT THAT'S, IT'S A TRICKY CONSIDERATION, AND YOU CAN GET INTO SOME CHALLENGING DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN WHAT SHOULD BE DONE, UM, BASED ON THE CHANGE IN USE. UM, I THINK THE WHOLE RESTAURANT AS AN SUP ISSUE IS ALSO A LITTLE TRICKIER. THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY A REQUIREMENT IN MOST TOWNS, MOST, MOST TOWNS. YOU COULD JUST DO THIS BY, RIGHT? SO SOMETIMES WE, UM, PUT A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS ON SOMETHING THAT IN EVERY OTHER TOWN AROUND HERE, THEY COULD JUST COME IN AND DO IT AND SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT AND DO SO. IT'S A, IT'S A NUANCED ISSUE WITH OTHER USES THAT, OR SAY A STRAIGHT REZONING REQUEST. I THINK IT, IT'S FAR MORE APPROPRIATE TO, TO REALLY ENSURE THAT EVERYONE'S BROUGHT UP TO CODE WITH REGARDS TO LANDSCAPE AND THINGS LIKE PARKING, BUT, UM, WITH THE RESTAURANTS, IT DOES GET A LITTLE TRICKY. UM, BUT ONE THING TO NOTE WITH THIS PARTICULAR RESTAURANT, PROBABLY THE MOST CHALLENGING CONSIDERATION IS THAT, UM, ON THIS, UH, FRONTAGE OF MONFORT, THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE NOW WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEY'RE NOT INCREASING THE INTENSITY OF THE PREVIOUS USE. SO THAT'S ONE THING WE HAVE TO BALANCE, BUT ALSO A FEASIBILITY OF DOING THAT SIDEWALK. NOW, IT'S PROBABLY REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR WHEN THE ROADWAY GETS RECONSTRUCTED, LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH, I AGREE WITH ONE LAST MONTH, CAUSE IT WAS A SMALL SHOP IN THE LARGER STRIP CENTER. SO IT WASN'T REALLY RIGHT FOR THEM, BUT IT DOES GET TO A POINT WHERE ALL OF THESE SCORES ARE GETTING TURNED OVER AND OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD ALSO EVERYTHING'S NEW AND YET THE LANDLORD IS SKIPPING HAVING TO DO ANYTHING. SO I DO THINK THERE'S A STRATEGY DISCUSSION. WE'D HAVE THIS WE'LL KNOW I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK AND THEN I WAS GOING TO HOLD OFF TILL LATER ON, BECAUSE IT'S A STANDALONE BUILDING AND IT SHOULD I THINK COMPLY. AND YOU SAID YOU KIND OF LOOKED AROUND THE STRAND IN THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION. WOULD IT HAVE PASSED THE SMELL TEST AS A STANDALONE BUILDING? THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY QUESTION. WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE LOOK LIKE IF I WERE STAYING WITH D NOW, IF IT, IF THIS BUILDING WERE ON ITS OWN LOT, AS FAR AS THE PERCENTAGE OF IT WOULD BE GENERALLY REQUIRED, 20% OF THE SITE HAVE TO BE LANDSCAPE, I DON'T KNOW, SPECIFICALLY THE NUMBER OF WHAT THEIR, WHERE THEY'RE AT, IF WE WERE JUST TO KIND OF DO A, A SQUARE, IF YOU WILL, UM, AROUND THIS PROPERTY. UM, BUT I, I WOULD GUESSTIMATE. THEY'RE PROBABLY CLOSE. I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT OR THE BUFFER ALONG THE STREET, UM, WITH EXISTING MATURE, UH, SHADE TREES. THEY HAVE A BERM THAT, THAT, UH, PROVIDES SUNSCREEN FOR THE PARKING, UM, AND THEN INTERIOR TO, UH, WITHIN, UH, SURROUNDING THE, UH, BUILDING NOW. SO HAVE A LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BUILDING AND ALSO, UH, WITHIN PARKING ISLANDS. SO KIND OF [00:20:01] JUST LOOKING AT IT, UH, BASED ON AND COMPARING IT TO WHAT OUR LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE, I WOULD SAY. IT PROBABLY IS FAIRLY CLOSE. UH, NO, IT'S NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY, BUT IT'S A GREAT AMENITY. I'M SURE IF WE LET THIS ONE FILTER THROUGH AS IS RIGHT, HOW DO WE MAKE YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THE BAKING? SO LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. SO YOU'RE ASKING HOW DO WE BRING THE, THE OTHER TWO, THE OTHER BLUE MESA, WHAT THEY COME UP, HE HAD AN OFFICE BUILDING AND SOMEHOW CHANGED SOMETHING WOULD THEY SKATE THROUGH ALSO, THAT'S ONLY WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THESE TYPES OF KIND OF TENANT BY TENANT BASED, UH, REQUESTS. AND LIKE IN THIS CASE WHERE THIS SIDE IS PART OF, OR THIS BUILDING IS PART OF A LARGER PROPERTY, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE APPLICANT TO MAKE UPDATES IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THOSE. UM, SO, SO WE DO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE SUV PROCESSORS ZONING PROCESS TO UPDATE LANDSCAPING. AND I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO KEN'S POINT OF A POLICY DECISION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT THRESHOLD? TYPICALLY, WE'RE SEEING LANDSCAPING COME INTO COMPLIANCE WHEN THEY'RE DOING REDEVELOPMENT OR INSIGNIFICANT OR INCREASING THE FOOTPRINT OR MAKING SITE MODIFICATIONS, BUT THOSE ARE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO REALLY MAKE, UH, THOSE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS IN AND SATISFY THE LANDSCAPE. YEAH, THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE IN. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT VACANCIES OCCUR IN THE OTHER, THERE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF STIPULATION THAT SAYS WHEN THIS HAPPENS, JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT GRANDFATHERED IN DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOREVER. SO ONE THING CITIES DO IN SCENARIOS LIKE THIS KIND OF WHERE, WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES IN A COMPLEX ISSUE IS BECAUSE ALL OF THESE ARE ON THE SAME LAW AND THEY COME TO YOU IN INCREMENTS. SO, UM, IN A PASA, THE I'VE WORKED IN, UH, THEY DEFINE SOMETHING CALLED A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT AREA, UM, WHERE IT ESSENTIALLY CREATES AN AREA THAT IS, IS SUBJECT TO THE IMPROVEMENT OR IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD BE THE, THE NEW OCCUPANCY. TYPICALLY WHEN I'VE DEALT WITH, IT HAS BEEN WHEN IT'S BEEN A REDEVELOPMENT OR NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU COULD APPLY A SIMILAR SCENARIO TO REUSE. SO I THINK WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS TAKE TKS PLACE AND HAVE THEM HAVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REALLY MORE ATTRIBUTABLE TO BLUE MESA AND VICE VERSA. BUT WE DO WANT THEM TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO TKS PLACE. BUT I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I DISAGREE BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION PROLONG IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR A REASON AND IF THEY DON'T FIT, THEN WE SHOULD REDUCE. BUT IN MY MIND, YOUR PROPERTY HAS APPEALED LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT THAT NEEDS TO MEET, RIGHT? SO REGARDLESS IF THERE'S TENANTS IN THOSE SUITES OR BUILDINGS OR NOT, THE LANDSCAPING NEEDS TO MEET A CERTAIN REQUIREMENT. SO I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT'S WHAT IT DOES. THIS, JUST LET THEM GO THIS TIME. SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER SOMEONE'S TURNING OR NOT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD MEET TO BE ABLE TO MEET, CAN, I WOULD ASK THAT WE GO BACK TO THIS PROBABLY THE UDC CONVERSATION. I MEAN, YOU THINK, THINK YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER TOO, THIS IS AN AGING CITY, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REVITALIZATION AT THIS POINT, NOT NECESSARILY DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO PLAY THE CHECKS AND BALANCES, WEIGHING IT OUT TO TWO OWNERS. ARE YOU KEEPING THEM MOTIVATED TO BE GOOD FAITHFUL. IF YOU START PUTTING THIS, THE GUN TO THEM AND CONSTANTLY HITTING THEM FOR THIS AND THIS, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO BRING UP AND UP AND UP EVERY TIME IT'S GOING TO DISCOURAGE OWNERSHIP HERE AND IT WILL DISCOURAGE THEM TAKING CARE OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. SO WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR MAYBE TO DO SOME RESEARCH OF WHAT POLICIES IN THE MEDIA SURROUNDING AREAS, TOSSES, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHO WE'RE GOING TO COMPETE TO. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOR TENANTS OR OWNERSHIP OF REAL ESTATE TOO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF RICHARDSON OR PLANO OR CARROLLTON ALL HAVE THESE REALLY EASY POLICIES AND THEY'RE NOT, AND WE'RE THE TOUGH MEAN GROUP, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO US, THE RUN AND THAT'S NEITHER POSITION IS INCORRECT. IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO IT'S POLICY ISSUE, WHAT THE TOWN WANTS TO DO TO ULTIMATELY MAXIMIZE INVESTMENT IN THE TOWN AND MAKE IT A, UH, A, A PLACE THAT IS HIGH QUALITY, BUT IT'S ALSO BUSINESS FRIENDLY. SO WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. CAUSE I, I AGREE. [00:25:01] I DON'T LIKE BRINGING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FORWARD. IT'S IT'S AWKWARD. AND I THINK WE CAN DO IT A BIT MORE ELEGANTLY, TEND TO GO BACK TO THE RESTROOM. SO ON, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO, IS MUSIC NOW OR WILL IT BE ALLOWED THERE OR NOT AS FAR AS, SO IT'S NOT PART OF WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. IT IT'S LIKE HAVING A DJ OR, OR IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MISSING. UM, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT NOW. SO WE, WE DON'T TYPICALLY ADDRESS THAT ISSUE WITH JESSIE AND PEACE, UH, HOW IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED OR YOU DO HAVE, UH, NOISE, ORDINANCES THAT WOULD APPLY. UM, ONE ITEM THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD FOR, UH, I MEAN, MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE ITS NEXUS AND THE COMMISSION, BUT, UH, ULTIMATELY I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE TOWN TO REVIEW OUR NOISE ORDINANCES. UM, WE, THAT IS AN AREA WHERE SOMETIMES THERE ARE NOISE ISSUES. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE THAT WITH THIS USE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE ALWAYS NEED TO CONSIDER. THAT'S A SEGUE INTO AN ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTION LAB. I BLOCK 14 RIGHT ACROSS THE POND. AND WHEN SCHOOL HOUSE 99, 72 IN FIRST GRADE, FOUR MONTHS, THERE WAS SOMETHING OR CALL IT NOISE, NOISE AFTER 11 O'CLOCK. AND THEY FINALLY GOT THE MESSAGE AND THEY TURNED IT OUT, BUT THEY'VE GOT SOME HUGE SPEAKERS OUT THERE ON THAT. AND IF THESE GUYS MOVE IN, WE WERE GOING TO, WE COULD START THE WHOLE CYCLE OVER AGAIN. SO I, I, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN ABOUT THAT, BUT I WILL REALLY RAISE THE ISSUE YOU DON'T NEED TO, BUT CAN I EVEN VOTE ON THIS STONE SCRUBBING PROCESS? DID YOU RECEIVE A NOTICE FOR THIS CASE? PROBABLY. I THINK I DID CHECK, WE DIDN'T OBJECT. WE CAN CHECK THAT. UM, WE HAVE A, UM, AN ISSUE THAT HAS THIS SIMILAR, BUT SIMILAR, WITHIN ANOTHER CASE OF OTHER INFORMATION, OR ACCORDING TO HIS NAME, WE WORKED ON A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK. I DON'T HAVE ANY, I WILL NOT BE HAVING ANY DIRECT BENEFIT, BUT THERE'S A DIRECT IMPACT AND BENEFIT. AND THEN PAPER, NOT NECESSARILY. YEAH. THEY BASICALLY ARE RELATES TO ECONOMIC IMPACT. UM, IF, IF YOU RECEIVE ANY BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UM, THAT'S FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IT, IF YOU, UM, I DON'T PERCEIVE THAT AS BEING THE CASE, BUT IF YOU DO, UM, CERTAINLY WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT IF YOU NEED TO ABSTAIN AND I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE NOISE ORDINANCES, UM, THEY ARE AWARE THAT WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE, AND THEY'RE ALSO AWARE OF THE PERCEPTION BASED ON THE CONCEPT THAT THEY'RE PRESENTING. AND, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AT LENGTH AND ALSO DISCUSS THE ENJOINING RESIDENTIAL, JUST NOT TOO FAR FROM THIS LOCATION. SO, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT. AND, AND, AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE OWNERS TK AND AT MATTSON, UH, WILL BE HERE THIS EVENING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND, AND DISCUSS MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCEPT AND WHAT THEY'RE ENVISIONING FOR THIS RESTAURANT. AND POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO CAMP CAUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS DALLAS DID, OR COULD DALLAS CITIZENS HAVE COME TO THIS MEETING TO OBJECT OR THAT WORK, THEY, ANYONE IS WELCOME TO ATTEND OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS. UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, SO WE SEND NOTICE, UM, AND WE'RE REQUIRED BY COUNTY AND STATE LAW TO SEND NOTICE TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UM, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IF THEY OPPOSE THE CASE, IF A CERTAIN NUMBER, UM, AMOUNTING TO ESSENTIALLY 20% OF THE LAND AREA THAT SURROUNDS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IF THEY WERE TO OPPOSE, THEN A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT WOULD BE TRIGGERED. DALLAS RESIDENTS DON'T FIT INTO THAT, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO COME IN AND SPEAK IN A PUBLIC HEARING, DRILL THAT HOLE. SO WHOLE APARTMENT COMPLEX PAIN OBJECTIVE HERE, SHE'S WANTING THE LUNAR THAT GETS NOT THE RENTERS, THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY FALL ON THAT 20% BY SIZE, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THAT. CAUSE THEY'RE IN THE CITY, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THAT. NO IDEA. BUT YEAH, THEY DID. IT'S JUST DOWNLOADABLE DISCONCERTING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. BUT THEY SEEM TO BE, [00:30:01] FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THEY'RE SEEING WHAT THE DEMAND IS FOR THE MODERN BUSINESS MODEL. I SUSPECT THEY'RE FLEXIBLE. THEY START GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE. YEAH. THEY HAVE THAT CONCERN. YEAH. THEY HAVE THAT CONCERN. I MEAN, THEY'VE EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THIS IS THEIR FIRST RESTAURANT VENTURE SO THAT THEY WANT IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONDITION THAT, THAT WE PLACED ON THE SUV OR THE RECOMMENDATION WHERE THE CONDITION IS TO KEEP IT ALL INDOORS AND LIMIT IT TO THREE NIGHTS. IF IT DOES MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE THEM CONTACTED ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE TIARA. I THINK EVERYBODY IN PROSTATE, HOW WELL I SAID THAT THE FIRST TIME YOU SAW THE PRACTICE, THE ONLY THING I'M GOING TO DO, ARE THEY GONNA BE HERE? UH, YES. THE, UM, THERE, THERE, I'M TOLD THAT THERE WILL HAVE REPRESENTED. YEAH. MY MAIN CONCERN HERE WAS JUST SECURITY FOR THE KIDS, UM, DRESSED. AND SOME OF IT, I THINK, ACCORDING TO PLAN, IF I GET HIT WITH FOUR FOOT FENCE OF SOME KIND, WHATEVER THEY CALL THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF IT, BUT I ASSURE YOU SO A LITTLE TODDLER CAN FIT THROUGH THAT. RODARTE, LET ME GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND THEN MAYBE THAT WILL HELP. ENSTROM YOUR QUESTIONS. SO THEN I'VE GOT DYES. THE WHOLE NAME IS SPANISH, IMMERSION CHILDCARE AND PRESCHOOL. UM, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY A FRANCHISE. UM, AND THEY HAVE SEVERAL LOCATIONS, SIX CURRENTLY THROUGHOUT THE US AND ARE CURRENTLY OPENING TWO IN HOUSTON AREA. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST AND THEN IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH METRO AREA. UM, THEY ARE THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING WAS FORMERLY A CHILDCARE FACILITY. AND AS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY, OR THE MOST RECENT SENATE WAS AN ADULT SCHOOL, UH, FOR, UM, ESL. AND, UH, SO THIS NEW TENANT DIES IS PROPOSING TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPROVING THE INTERIOR AND THE OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND AREA. SO CURRENTLY THE OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND AREA HAS SOME ASS OLD ASPHALT, SOME GRASSY AREAS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE RESURFACING WITH, UH, UM, A, UH, A SAFER SURFACE FOR THE PLAYGROUND AREA THAT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE NAME, BUT IT'S THAT BALANCE SHEET. YES, YES. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN YOU, UH, EQUIPMENT AND ALSO THE FENCING FOR THE OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND. WELL, THE EXISTING WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED, UH, WITH A, UM, A OPAQUE FENCING. SO, SO YOU WON'T HAVE WHAT CURRENTLY IS NOT WHAT THAT BROUGHT IRON AND KIDS FITTING IN IT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT AT TRUE STORY. I HAVE DONE THAT MYSELF AS A CHILD AND THAT DOES HAPPEN. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK I HAD SENT YOU A QUESTION ABOUT IS THAT THEY HAD SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT HOLLY OUT THERE AND HOLLY HAS BERRIES AND THAT'S PROBABLY VERY POISONOUS. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE THEM TO USE SOMETHING OTHER THAN SOMETHING THAT HAS WONDERFUL RED BERRIES. YES, YES. SO I REACHED OUT TO THE APPLICANT TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. AND, UM, THEY'VE COMMITTED TO MODIFYING TO REMOVING THAT HOLLY AND REPLACING IT WITH EMILIA, UM, WHICH IS A SAFER, AND A BETTER GROUP OF FRIENDS ARE GROWING PLANT, WHICH WILL PROVIDE THE SCREENING AND WILL BE A NON-TOXIC FLATTERY, JUST PARKING. UM, MY CONCERN KNOW HOW SPRING VALLEY. MAYBE I DIDN'T MAKE IT OVER THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN. UM, YOU CURRENTLY CAN GET THERE FROM THROUGH RALLY. I'VE ACTUALLY DRIVEN IT MYSELF. UM, AND THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE, UH, DEDICATING A FIRE LANE FROM SPRING VALLEY AND IT WILL BE LOOPING TO MARSH AS PART OF THEIR SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO, TO MAKE THAT FIRE LINE CONNECTION AND EASIER FOR FIRE ACCESS. UM, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED AS SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEIR, UH, DISMISSAL TIME, IF YOU WILL. IT IS, UM, THE CHILDCARE FACILITIES FOR BEN SIX WEEKS OLD, UP TO SIX YEARS OLD. SO ALL CHILDREN NOT IN SCHOOL YET. SO I IMAGINE THEY WILL HAVE, UH, A VERY, UM, PICK UP. AND THIS WAS MOSTLY PROBABLY HAPPENING AT FIVE OR AFTER FIVE. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WAS IN THERE BEFORE THOUGH. YES. IT'S A SIMILAR, YES. I BELIEVE THE, THEY HAD [00:35:01] A SIMILAR CHILD RANGE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW, I DON'T THINK HE'D EVER, IT'S LIKE AN HOUR, THERE'S A RESTAURANT AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT INTO IT. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO THE BOWLING ALLEY. THAT'S ALL YOU SEE WHEN YOU GET TO TRIAL. SPRING VALLEY IS BACK THERE. SO NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM FOR TWO CARS. IT WAS KIND OF TIGHT. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE GOLDEN CHICK RESTAURANT RIGHT THERE IN THEIR DRIVE THROUGH IS PARALLEL TO THE BUILDING AND THE PEOPLE COME OUT, THEY GO ONTO MARSH AND THEY COOK RIGHT CLOSE TO PLAYGROUND, WHICH IS WHY I GOT A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME KIDDOS WALKING THROUGH THAT, RUN OUR EVENTS. AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, I GUESS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN SCHOOL BEFORE AND THE ADVOCATE WILL BE HERE OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE OWNER WILL BE HERE AND THEY CAN ADDRESS. YEAH. FORTUNATELY THERE'S A, THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF PARKING. UM, AND CERTAINLY DEFINITELY IN THE MORNING, YOU WON'T HAVE MUCH CONFLICT WITH GOLDEN CHIPS, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE EVENING, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT CAN FUNCTION WELL, EVEN IF IT'S NOT REALLY A STAGGERED OPERATION, BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THEY HAVE PLANS TO OPERATE WHERE YOU'RE NOT TURNING OVER THE ENTIRE BUILDING. SO WE DO HAVE WITH ADDRESS THAT. SO JENNIFER, AND THEN CLOSING COMMENTS ON THE STEP BEFORE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GREAT CONCEPT FOR THIS PARTY. IS THIS THE ONLY ONE LIKE THIS, THAT WAY? UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE HE HAS IS THE ONLY CHILDCARE FACILITY WITHIN THIS FACILITY. EVEN, EVEN LOOKING AT FARMER'S RANCH. MOST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT TO THE WEST IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL. UM, SO WITH THE EXCEPTION, I'M SURE, UH, HOME CARE, THIS IS THE ONLY CHILDCARE FACILITY, COMMERCIAL ENCHANTED AND CHANTED LAND. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING AHEAD TO THE CARIBBEAN TOWN. YEAH, SURE. UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION, UH, COMMISSIONER FIND SLUR, UH, HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER ONE SETTING ONE OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODES. UH, SHE WILL BE, UM, ABSTAINING FROM PARTICIPATION IN THIS ITEM, BOTH IMPORTANT SESSION OR SESSION. OKAY. UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS TO AMEND THE OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN FOR, UH, THE VITRUVIAN PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SPRING VALLEY VITRUVIAN WAY, AND THEN BELLA LANE, UH, TO THE SOUTH, UH, JUST OVER FIVE ACRES, THAT'S KNOWN AS BLOCK TWO 17 IN LIBRA, TRUDY AND MASTER PLAN. UH, AND, UH, WITH THE MASTER PLAN, THIS BLOCK WAS, UH, UH, INITIALLY, UH, ADDED TO THE MASTER PLAN BACK IN 2013. SO IT WASN'T PART OF THE FIRST, UH, UH, ITERATION OF THE ZONING FOR THIS AREA OR REASONABLY KNOWN THIS AREA. AND, UH, WITH THAT ADDITION, IT WAS INITIALLY A CONCEPT PLAN FOR URBAN MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, UH, ACCOMMODATING, UH, JUST UNDER 400 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, UH, IN THE PLAN 360 8 SPECIFICALLY. AND SO WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING A NEW HOUSING TYPE TO THE VITRUVIAN PARK MASTER PLAN. UH, THIS IS STILL FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UH, CONSIDERED MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE IT IS A, A RENTAL PRODUCT THAT IS ALL SITUATED ON A SINGLE LOT, BUT THE HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE ACTUALLY A TOWNHOME FOR, SO PRE-STORY, UH, TOWNHOME UNITS, UH, THAT A RENTAL, UH, THAT ARE, UM, UH, CHAIR COMMON WALL. AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, REALLY, UM, SPEAK TO HOW THESE WOULD FIT IN WITH EXISTING VITRUVIAN PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, AND THE ZONING THAT APPLIES TO THAT AREA IS, UH, THEY'RE URBAN IN NATURE. UH, THEY, UH, ADDRESS AND ENGAGE THE STREET, THEY ALL FRONT ON PUBLIC STREETS, WHETHER THAT BE VITRUVIAN SPRING VALLEY OR BELL LANE, OR, AND THEN INTERIOR TO THE PROJECT, UM, ALL UNITS THAT AREN'T FRONTING ON THE STREETS OF FRONT-END TO PRIVATE OPEN SPACE. SO REALLY CREATING THAT, UH, ENGAGING PEDESTRIAN [00:40:01] ORIENTED, UH, DYNAMIC THAT COUNTRY PARK IS, UH, BECOME KNOWN FOR, UM, WITH THIS PROJECT. ALSO, IT IS IMPLEMENTING THE TOWNS, UH, TRAIL MASTER PLAN, AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT. SO ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROJECT THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE A NEW, UH, EIGHT FOOT SEGMENT OF TRAIL, UH, LINKING MELVILLE LANE, UH, TO SPRING VALLEY. AND THEN ALSO IT WILL BE IMPROVING THE STREETSCAPE AT BELLA LANE AND THEN MAINTAINING THE STREETSCAPE ON THE TRIVIAL WAYS, THIS ON BELL LANE, IT WILL ADD A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK AND ACCOMMODATE A LANDSCAPE NEEDED TO REALLY CREATE THAT URBAN EDGE. UH, THE SITE DOES ACCOMMODATE, UH, TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, UH, FOR PUBLIC ACCESS. AND THEN ONE POINT OF ACCESS THAT IS EMERGENCY ACCESS ALL THE WAY IN FOR, UH, FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSONNEL. THAT ACCESS IS ON SPRING VALLEY. AND THEN THE TWO PUBLIC POINTS OF ACCESS ARE OFF OF DOUBLE LANE AND ATTRIBUTE WAY PRICE POINT. UH, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION. UH, SO ROB ST. JOHN FROM UDR, UH, WE'LL BE ADDRESSING THAT. I SUSPECT THESE WILL BE QUITE HIGH. UM, ONE THING TO NOTE WITH THE UNIT MIX, UH, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS, AT LEAST IN OUR RECENT HISTORY, MOST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE UNITS ARE ONE-BEDROOM UNITS. UH, THIS IS FLIPPING THAT DYNAMIC. SO 78% OF THE PROPOSED 85 UNITS ARE TWO OR THREE BEDROOM UNITS. SO, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR FOLKS THAT NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, UH, AND DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE THAT, THAT WILL ADD A, A DIVERSE OPTION IN THIS AREA. UH, THE SMALLEST UNIT SIZE IS 1500 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN THE LARGEST IS JUST OVER 2200 SQUARE FEET WITH AN AVERAGE OF 1900 SQUARE FEET. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT, THESE ARE NOT OWNER OCCUPIED COMP AND RENTALS, SO THESE ARE WRITTEN TOWNHOUSES. THEY WILL NOT BE SO CHEAP INDIVIDUAL. UH THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. JUST CLARIFYING. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS UNIQUE WITH THE MATURITY IN PARK, UH, PD ZONING, IT'S ALSO SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE HEDIS CIRCLE. UH, THERE IS A FRAMEWORK THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT A DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THESE ARE COMPLEX AND NOT EVERY PROPOSAL WILL FIT PERFECTLY IN THE BASE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THAT PDS. I DON'T THINK SO. IT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT APPLICANT MAY, UH, SUGGEST, UH, WAIVERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE REALLY DEVIATIONS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN ORDER TO FACILITATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT. SO WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, THEY HAVE, UH, GDPR HAS PROPOSED A RANGE OF WAIVER REQUESTS. MOST OF THEM RELATE TO BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEN ONE THAT RELATES TO SITE DESIGN, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE SITE DESIGN ISSUE, UM, RELATES TO THE BUILD TO MIND REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY TO THE PROJECT AND REALLY APPLY IN ALL PROJECTS AND THE VITRUVIAN PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. SO BUILD TO LINE REQUIREMENT IS A TOOL THAT CITIES USE TO FACILITATE MORE URBAN DEVELOPMENTS. TYPICALLY CITIES WILL HAVE BUILDING SETBACKS WHERE THAT'S JUST THE MINIMUM DISTANCE AND BUILDING HAS TO BE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. A BUILD TO LINE IS REALLY REQUIRING A BUILDING TO BE SITUATED A PARTICULAR DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. SO, WHEREAS A SETBACK, IF THE MINIMUM WAS 20 FEET, THAT MEANS I CAN DO 20 FEET AND ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. AND THE BUILD TO LINE, IF I SAY IT'S A NINE FOOT BUILT-IN LINE, WHICH IS THE, WHAT IS BEING APPLIED TO THE TRUE VITRUVIAN AWAY FROM THIS PIGLET PROJECT, THAT MEANS THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE SITUATED IN GENERAL IN TIME FEET FROM THAT STREETSCAPE. SO THAT ALLOWS FOR THE BUILDING TO BE ENGAGING THE SIDEWALK, TO HAVE STREET TREES, UH, JASON, AND THE BUILDING THAT REALLY CREATED THAT STRONG PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED FIELD THAT IS CHARACTERISTIC URBAN DEVELOPMENT. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED LEADING INTO THE MEETING FROM THE COMMISSION WAS WHAT IS THE NEXUS OF THAT NINE FOOT BILL TO LINE ON VITRUVIAN WAY? UM, SO THAT WHAT WAS ACCOMMODATED IN THE INITIAL PD ZONING FOR VITRUVIAN PARK AND THAT NINE FEET, UM, IS ACTUALLY, UH, MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SIDEWALK. SO IT'S REALLY FROM THE STREETSCAPE PLAINS ZONE. AND IT'S AN INTENDED WITHIN THAT NINE FEET TO HAVE AN END TO, TO CARRY THE WHOLE SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA. AND THEN THE BUILDING ESSENTIALLY ENGAGES THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THE TRUE MEDIAN HAS A LITTLE [00:45:01] BIT OF A BEND TO IT. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DESIGN BUILDINGS THAT MEET THAT NINE FOOT BILL TO LINE FOR THE ENTIRE WEIGHT OF THE TREE MEANS. SO THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT DOES THAT. UH, I FEEL THAT ONE THAT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S CHALLENGING TO MEET THAT TWO. IT DOES PROVIDE SOME VISUAL INTERESTS. SO THAT'S WHY STAFF HAS, HAS MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION. UH, THE OTHER, UM, WAIVERS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, RELATE TO, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS. UH, SO YOU'LL NOTE THAT, UM, THE, UH, PROPOSED FACADE PLANS INCLUDE A, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STUCCO. UH, REALLY IT'S A PRIMARY MATERIAL ALONG WITH BRICK. AND THEN ALSO WITH THOSE, UH, FACADE PLANS, UH, THE TRUBY IN ZONING REQUIRES A MAX OF THREE MATERIALS. AND THEN THIS PROPOSAL ACCOMMODATES FOR MATERIALS, UM, STAFF IS GENERALLY COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH THE, UH, REQUEST RELATED THE STUCCO AND THE MP4 MATERIALS. UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING, UH, OR RECENTLY DEVELOPED BUILDINGS AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT, TRUVIA, AND STUCCO IS A PROMINENT MATERIAL THAT DOES VARY. UM, THIS PROBABLY IS A LITTLE MORE EXTENSIVE OF THE USAGE, UM, UH, OF STUCCO THAN PERHAPS SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS, BUT IN GENERAL, IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, AN ATTRACTIVELY DESIGNED, UH, BUILDING TYPE. UH, IT CAN BE MAINTAINED WELL, A MASSIVE BUILDINGS ARE SMALLER BUILDINGS. SO, UM, IT DOES ACHIEVE THE DESIGN AESTHETIC THAT YOU SEE WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE MODERN, BUT IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SAY IN SAY YOUR RE PROJECT OR VITRUVIAN IN THE WEST. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP, UH, RELATED TO BUILDING COLOR WHITE IS A PROMINENT, UH, UH, COLOR, UH, IN THIS PROPOSED DESIGN. UH, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE PD, UH, ZONING, UH, REALLY REQUIRES POINT TO BE A, UM, ACCEPT MATERIAL. UH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE CASE HERE. UM, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT IT MAY NOT BE THE CASE IN SOME OF THE OTHER VITRUVIAN PROJECTS. UH, AND DO YOU THINK IT COMPLIMENTS, UH, IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROJECT FIORI? WELL, AND THAT, THAT, UH, DOES UTILIZE QUITE A BIT OF VOICE. AND ONCE AGAIN, GIVEN THAT THESE ARE SMALLER BUILDINGS, EASY TO MAINTAIN, UM, AND ATTRACTIVE DESIGN STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT REQUEST. AND THEN, UH, THE LAST ITEM, UH, RELATES TO, UM, YOU'LL SEE AT THE GROUND FLOOR, AND THIS IS AN ATTRACTIVE ELEMENT OF THE PLAN. THEY HAVE GENERALLY STEEPS OR PENN STATE PATIOS AT THE GROUND FLOOR. THE VITRUVIAN PD REQUIRES THOSE FENCED AND PATIOS REALLY TO BE TRANSPARENT, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THROUGH THEM, AND IT'S NOT, UH, OBSCURING THE STREETSCAPE. UM, THIS IS A THREE AND A HALF FOOT MAX MAXIMUM HEIGHT FENCE. SO IT'S NOT A TREMENDOUS BARRIER OR NOT THE INCREDIBLY, UH, UM, UH, OBSCURING THE BUILDING, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING MASONRY MATERIALS AND LIEU OF SAY A METAL OR WROUGHT IRON FENCE. THE STAFF IS COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE THINKING IT IS AN ATTRACTIVE LOOK AND IT DOES NOT A ROAD, THE APPEARANCE OF THE STREETSCAPE. DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THIS CASE? I HAVEN'T WON ON SUSTAINABILITY. I FEEL LIKE WE USED TO HAVE LARGER CONVERSATIONS ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS. WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TODAY, MORE THAN COUNCIL. WE CAN DO THAT. IS THERE A PARTICULAR ELEMENT OF SUSTAINABILITY THAT IS THAT I GUESS, I MEAN, I LOVE THESE GUYS AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. SO WE DO, UH, WOULD I SAY IT IS, UM, WITH STAFF TRANSITION, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED TO BE CULTURAL FOR THE TOWN, UM, DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY BECOME THE CASE. SO THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE FOR ME AND JENNIFER, UM, GIVEN THAT YOU'VE COMMUNICATED THAT INTEREST AND I SUSPECT OTHER FOLKS ON THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE THAT INTEREST IN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY DIRECT MORE ATTENTION TO OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. I MEAN, NOW, UH, I CAN, UH, LOOK IT UP HERE IN A MOMENT. I I'VE DONE THOSE CALCULATIONS RECENTLY. UM, AS FAR AS, ARE YOU TALKING [00:50:01] ABOUT THE OLDER PLUS THE NEW, OR JUST THE NAME I CAN, I CAN PROVIDE IT'S AT 2300 EXISTING UNITS. OKAY. SO I THINK A FAIR ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S 2300, UH, EXISTING UNITS. I'D SAY PROBABLY HALF OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY MORE THE GARDEN VARIETY THAT MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT, UH, HIGHER, UH, POPULATION DENSITY. UM, AND THEN THE MORE URBAN ONES, PROBABLY A WHOLE LOWER. SO, UH, I'D SAY, UM, PROBABLY I'D SAY 5,000 PEOPLES IS A FAIR ASSUMPTION. UH, THEY'RE PRETTY EAGER TO GET GOING ON THIS PROJECT THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM. UM, OR IF YOU HAVE CIVIL SITE DESIGN, SO THE, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PENDING ZONING APPROVAL, SO THEY HAVE SOME WORK TO DO HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK THERE'LL BE EAGER TO START. UH, I AM NOT AWARE OF HOW LONG THE PROJECT WOULD TAKE. I'D SAY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A BIT QUICKER THAN THE TYPICAL PROJECT THEY HAVE. SO ANYWHERE FROM 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS, MAYBE A FAIR ASSESSMENT, BUT WE CAN LET THEM ADDRESS THAT DURING THE RAIN COMMUNITY, TRASH PICKUP, LIKE OVER THERE, IS IT INDIVIDUAL UNITS? I DON'T SEE ANY DUMPSTER. SO THERE IS A DUMPSTER ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE PROJECT. UH, AND THEN THE TRASH WOULD BE VALET. SO YOU CAN OUT YOUR DOOR AND SOMEONE COMES AND THINKS ABOUT IT. I NEED THAT IN MY PAPER. YEP. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL TO START OUT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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