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SO I CAN NUMBER ONE, PRESENT, DISCUSS A DRAFT ON THIS USER FEES.
INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS ARRIVING AT EDISON ALCOHOL JOEL.
LESS JOEL THAT'S TO TAKE CARE OF A SAID TO US.
[ Announcements and Acknowledgments Regarding Town and Council Events and Activities Present the 2021 Addison Foodservice Safety and Sanitation Awards Discussion of Meetings / Events]
LAST SMITH AND, UH, REGARDING THE TIME THE CONSOLE EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES, BUT, UH, WESTERN WE'LL DO THAT LATER, BUT I LIKE TO DO THIS PRESENTED 2021 IS A FULL SERVICE SAFETY AND THE SANITATION OF WARRANTS.GOOD EVENING THIS YEAR, WHERE ALL OF OUR RESTAURANTS WHO DID AN EXCELLENT JOB THROUGH 20 20, 20, 21, IT IS A NEW PROGRAM TO RECOGNIZE THESE RESTAURANTS WHO HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF FOOD, SAFETY, AND SANITATION.
WE HAVE THREE CATEGORIES, BOTH SERVICE, FAST FOOD AND SANDWICH.
THE OBJECTIVE HERE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RECOGNIZING THE HARD WORK THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING AND THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING GOOD AND SAFE FOOD FOR OUR CITIZENS AND THE PEOPLE WHO VISITED THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
THIS YEAR, WE HAVE OUR FIRST TIME OUR AWARDS.
THEY WILL ALL BE PRESENTED WITH THE PLATH AND THE REWARD FOR THIS IS THAT WE WILL BE WAIVING THE RENEWAL FEE FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO IT IS A COST SAVING TO THEM.
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR FULL SERVICE DINING.
AND IF I COULD HAVE TGI FRIDAYS,
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FROM TMAO AND THEN OCTOBER 6, 7, 8, WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE.SO THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT ALL MORE ON THE SIXTH IN THE MORNING.
CHICO SAYS WE'LL BE THERE IN TIME.
SO ON MY BEHALF, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WE ALL MIGHT BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
SO SHE KICKED ME OFF WITH THIS IDEA TO ENCOURAGE ALL THE RESTAURANTS, KEEP IT CLEANER, CLEANER, AND DO A BETTER JOB IN FOLLOW UP, UH, FOR THE HANDLING PROCEDURES.
SO, UH, I CONGRATULATE ALL OF YOU AND ALSO I WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, WE HAVE A GREAT DIRECTOR OR FULL HEALTH SERVICE.
[1. Present and Discuss a Draft Ordinance for User Fees for International Flights Arriving at Addison Airport.]
LET'S GO BACK TO MEANING MARIN COUNCIL ON JOEL JENKINSON, THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR.AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT, A PROPOSAL FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF USER FEES FOR US CUSTOM SERVICES AT ADDISON AIRPORT.
BEFORE I REALLY LAUNCH INTO THIS, I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, WHICH IS JUST TO TALK ABOUT WHAT KINDS OF AIRPORTS ARE AUTHORIZED TO RECEIVE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS.
UH, THERE ARE THREE CATEGORIES.
THE FIRST IS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS OF ENTRY, WHICH ARE NOT EXACTLY THE ONES YOU WOULD THINK THEY ARE.
AND IT'S PARTLY WHY I INCLUDED THIS YEAR.
IT DOES INCLUDE DFW INTERNATIONAL AND EL PASO AND SAN DIEGO, WHICH YOU WOULD EXPECT TO BE ON THE LIST, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES PLACES LIKE DEL RIO, HE WEST UMA.
AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO PRONOUNCE THAT ONE IN NORTH DAKOTA TO MINA, MAYBE.
UH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME ODD SMALL ONES INCLUDED.
THEY'RE ALL BORDER AIRPORTS PRETTY MUCH EXCEPT FOR DFW, WHICH IS INTERIOR OR AIRPORT.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO LANDING RIGHTS AIRPORTS AND THE SECOND CATEGORY, UH, AND SOME EXAMPLES INCLUDE DALLAS ABOUT FIELD AND FORT WORTH MEECH.
AND WHICH I MENTIONED MORE ABOUT THOSE TWO LATER, UH, FORT LAUDERDALE, EXECUTIVE TETERBORO, UH, LAKEFRONT AIRPORT, NEW ORLEANS, UH, PEACHTREE IN ATLANTA, ATLANTA HARTSFIELD, WHICH YOU MIGHT'VE THOUGHT WOULD BE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT EVENT TREATMENTS, NOT LAX, WASHINGTON, BELLA.
SO, UH, THESE ARE FREQUENTLY BIG AND BUSY AIRPORTS, BUT NOT ALWAYS.
UM, THESE AIRPORTS, BOTH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS OF ENTRY AND LANDING RIGHTS AIRPORTS USUALLY ARE AUTHORIZED TO RECEIVE, UH, INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS, UH, AT EXPENSE OF CUSTOMS. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE.
THE THIRD CATEGORY IS USER FEE AIRPORTS INTO WHICH ADDISON FALLS ALONG WITH MCKINNEY FORT WORTH ALLIANCE, SUGARLAND, MORRISTOWN MUNICIPAL UP IN NEW JERSEY VAN NUYS OUT IN THE LA AREA, NAPLES, FLORIDA, BOCA RATON, FLORIDA, DENVER CENTENNIAL TEND TO BE BUSIER GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS FOR THE MOST PART.
UH, THESE AIRPORTS RECEIVE CUSTOMS, BUT PAY A FEE.
THEY PAID FOR THE SERVICES FOR CUSTOMERS, UH, LOVE FIELD AND FORT WORTH MEACHAM.
UH, RECENTLY JOINED THE USER FEE PROGRAM IN ORDER TO GET EXPANDED SERVICE.
THEY WEREN'T RELIABLY ABLE TO GET 24 HOUR SERVICE, UH, IN THE LANDING RIGHTS PROGRAM.
SO IN ORDER TO PROVIDE 24 HOUR SERVICE FOR THEIR USERS, THEY OPTED TO GO INTO SPATIAL IN THE USER FEE PROGRAMS. UM, THE USER FEE AIRPORT PROGRAM IS, UH, IN THE CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT'S APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION WHERE AIRPORTS CAN RECEIVE FOR A FEE, THE SERVICES OF A CUSTOMS OFFICER FOR PROCESSING AIRCRAFT PASSENGERS, CARGO ENTERING THE UNITED STATES.
AND THERE'S FOUR CRITERIA THAT THE APPLICANT MUST MEET.
ONE OF THEM IS A LETTER FROM THE GOVERNOR.
UH, ANOTHER AS YOUR VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, DOESN'T JUSTIFY, UH, RECEIVING THE SERVICES WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO PAY FOR IT.
UH, AND YOU MUST AGREE TO REIMBURSE CUSTOMS FOR ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PROVIDING THE SERVICES.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO COMPLETE AN AGRICULTURE COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT, WHICH WE'LL GET TO A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT.
SO THERE ARE CURRENTLY 65 AIRPORTS PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM.
AND AGAIN, USUALLY FEE AIRPORTS PAY ALL THE COSTS.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE, BUT THEY CAN CHARGE FEES TO USERS TO OFFSET THE COSTS OF PROVIDING THAT SERVICE.
WHAT THEY CANNOT DO IS CHARGE SO MUCH THAT THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A PROFIT FROM THE SERVICE.
YOU CAN ONLY RECOVER YOUR ACTUAL COSTS.
YOU CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT CENTER OUT OF THIS.
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SO WHAT ARE SOME FEES CHARGED AT A USER FEE AIRPORTS? THEY REALLY SPAN A WIDE RANGE.IT CAN BE NOTHING AT ALL, UH, TO AS MUCH AS $2,000 FOR A SINGLE CLARION AIRCRAFT OR EVEN MORE IN SOME CASES, UH, THERE ARE FREQUENTLY ADDITIONAL CHARGES FOR AN OVERTIME, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS ON THE USER FEE AIRPORT.
UH, AND THOSE ARE HOURS THAT ARE AGREED TO WITH CUSTOMS AS PART OF A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH CUSTOMS. SO THE FEE STRUCTURES ARE TYPICALLY GOING TO BE BASED ON AN AIRCRAFT CHARACTERISTIC.
UH, USUALLY IT'S AN AIRCRAFT WEIGHT AND MAXIMUM GROSS TAKEOFF WEIGHT IS YOUR MOST COMMON.
IT CAN ALSO BE ENGINE TYPE, WHETHER IT'S PISTON, TURBOPROP OR JET, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY AND AT LEAST ONE AIRPORT, UH, NAPLES, FLORIDA, UH, INCLUDES WINGSPAN AND THEIR CRITERIA.
UM, SOME OF THE AIRPORTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT, UH, HANDLE AIR CARRIER TYPE TRAFFIC WE'LL CHARGE A HERD PER AN ENTRANCE FEE FOR THE PASSENGERS.
GETTING OFF THE AIRPLANE WOULD BE LIKE $15 A HEAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, IN ADDITION TO USER FEES FOR CUSTOMS, AIRPORTS MAY IMPOSE OTHER CHARGES, UH, TYPICALLY LANDING FEES, RAMP FEES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT DOES IT COST TO COME IN AND CLEAR AN AIRPORT? YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE, NOT JUST THE CUSTOMS FEES.
SO WE LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF A USER FEE AIRPORTS, PARTICULARLY AIRPORTS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO CLASSIFICATION TO ADDISON, WHICH IS NATIONAL CATEGORY GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT.
THEY'RE ALSO DESIGNATED AS RELIEVERS.
UH, THERE ARE 15 AIRPORTS, UH, IN ADDITION TO ADDISON THAT, THAT FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY.
AND THAT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE USER FEE AIRPORTS.
UH, SO DENVER, CENTENNIAL AND ROCKY MOUNTAIN METRO, BOTH IN THE DENVER AREA, UH, AND, UH, THEY'RE REALLY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
SO, UH, THESE STRUCTURES VARY A LOT DEPENDING ON LOCAL FACTORS.
AND WHAT WE FIND IS THAT A AIRPORT SERVING THE SAME MARKET VERY OFTEN, NOT ALL OF US, BUT OFTEN HAVE SIMILAR FEE STRUCTURES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE CHICAGO LAND AND AIRPORTS, UH, WHICH IS A TWO PAGE, UH, CHICAGO EXECUTIVE AND WAUKEGAN ALL HAVE A FAIRLY SIMILAR FEE STRUCTURE.
THERE'S A S THERE'S A ZERO TO SEVEN OR 8,000 POUNDS RANGE.
AND THEN A 7,000 AND 30,000, 30,000.
AND OVER THOSE FEES JUMP UP PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY FOR THE LARGER AIRCRAFT.
SIMILARLY, UH, EVER CENTENNIAL IN ROCKY MOUNTAIN, METRO HAVE VERY SIMILAR FEE STRUCTURES.
SO IN THE DFW AREA, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? UH, UM, WE HAVE ONE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT OF ENTRY.
THAT'S A LOCAL PORT DFW, AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR OTHER AIRPORTS IN ADDITION TO ADDISON THAT ARE PARTICIPATED IN THE USER FEAR PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S DALLAS LOVE FIELD AND FORT WORTH MEACHAM, WHICH I MENTIONED BEFORE THOSE TWO WERE IN LANDY RIOTS, AIRPORTS, AND ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THE SERVICE WITHOUT CHARGE, BUT TO PROVIDE BETTER AND MORE CONSISTENT SERVICE, 24 HOURS, THEY OPTED TO GO INTO THE USER FEE PROGRAM AND THEN THERE'S FORT WORTH ALLIANCE, AIRPORT AND MCKINNEY TO THE NORTH OF US.
AND REALLY OUR COMPETITION IS THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO US, WHICH IS LOVE FIELD AND MCKINNEY.
AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, DFW, UH, THE FORT WORTH AIRPORTS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE METROPLEX.
AND REALLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE MUCH COMPETITION FOR US WHEN I JUST DIGRESS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, IF, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN OPTION AS TO WHERE THEY WANT TO CLEAR, UH, THEY'RE COMING TO THE DFW AREA.
UH, FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS THE AIRCRAFT BASED.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S BASED HERE AT ADDISON, THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO ADDISON.
THAT'S WHERE THE AIRPLANE LIFTS, UH, IT'S BASED IN MCKINNEY.
UH, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO MCKINNEY IF THEY'RE BASED IN LEFT-FIELD, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO LEFT FIELD, BUT IF THEY HAVE A CHOICE AND THEY'RE NOT BASED, THEY'RE GOING TO GO CLOSEST TO WHERE THEIR FINAL DESTINATION IS IN GENERAL, UM, FEES CAN FACTOR INTO IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE FAIRLY EQUAL DISTANCE FROM, UH, AN AIRPORT TO CHOOSE ONE OVER ANOTHER.
SO REALLY IT'S, IT'S ALL BASED ON LOCATION.
AND WHERE'S YOUR FINAL DESTINATION.
SO HERE ARE THE FEE STRUCTURES AT THE VFW AREA.
USER FEE, AIRPORTS LOVE FIELD HAS A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE, UH, RANGE OF FEES.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE FEES FOR PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE, THAT ARE QUITE LOW.
I WOULD ACTUALLY BE SURPRISED IF THEY EVER CLEARED.
HE PISSED AN ENGINEERED GRAPH.
IT WOULD BE AN UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE, UH, AND, UH, THEIR FEES RANGE FROM $350
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PER LIGHT TURN AN AIRCRAFT.SO 112,500 POUNDS ALL THE WAY UP TO $1,050 FOR A TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRCRAFT OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS.
HOWEVER, THEY DON'T CHARGE ANY OVERTIME.
IF YOU COME IN AT MIDNIGHT, YOU'D PAY THE SAME FEE AND THEY DON'T CHARGE FOR DISPOSAL OF REGULATED GARBAGE.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THAT AGRICULTURE COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT.
BUT I TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING ORGANIC THAT COMES IN ON AN INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT HAS TO BE STERILIZED AND DISPOSED OF PROPERLY.
SO YOU DON'T BRING THE PESTS, LIKE LET A TRAINEE FRUIT FLY, OR SOME KIND OF DISEASE INTO THE COUNTRY.
THEY ARE VERY, VERY STRICT ABOUT THAT.
THEY'RE VERY STRICT REGULATIONS AND ANNUAL TRAINING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH TO DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO GET GARBAGE DISPOSED OF STERILIZE FOR THREE DAYS.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT.
IT'S TO PROTECT THE MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR AGRICULTURE INDUSTRY THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
SO THEY'RE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT.
LOVE FIELD ALSO CHARGES THE LANDING FEE FOR GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS AIRCRAFT'S EXCUSE ME AND I, AND IT'S PRETTY HIGH.
IT'S $5 AND 90 CENTS PER THOUSAND POUNDS OF PLANTED WAY, WHICH IS PRETTY STEEP FEE.
SO THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT COST FACTOR.
IF YOU WANT TO CLEAR AT LOVE FIELD, THEY MAY NOT CHARGE FOR OVER, BUT YOU'RE GONNA GET HIT WITH WHAT YOU NEED TO BE TO.
UM, KENNY DOES NOT CHARGE CLEAR FEET EAST OR IN YOUR REGULAR SERVICE HOURS, WHICH ARE 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM.
MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THEY DO CHARGE A FLAT $200 FEE FOR OVERTIME CLEARANCES.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT COMING IN BETWEEN EIGHT AND FIVE, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, YOU'RE GETTING HIT WITH THE $200 CHARGE.
IF YOU HAVE REGULATED GARBAGE, THEY CHARGE $150 TO DISPOSE OF THAT.
UH, THE FORT WORTH AIRPORTS HAVE THE SAME FEE STRUCTURE.
THEY CHARGE A FLAT WITH $300, WHATEVER AIRCRAFT YOU'RE COMING IN.
IF IT'S A PISTON SINGLE OR A A HUNDRED THOUSAND POUND, UH, AIRLINE SIZE TYPE OF AIRPLANE, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY A HUNDRED BUCKS AND THEY HAVE A FLAT $200 CHARGE FOR OVERTIME CLEARANCES.
SO DFW AREA HAS A FAIRLY DISSIMILAR FEE STRUCTURES, UH, BETWEEN THREE OF THE GA AIRPORTS IN THE DALLAS LOVE FIELD.
AND THAT IS A FACTOR IN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO POSE.
I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT FORT WORTH ALLIANCE CHARGES A LANDING FEE FOR COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT OVER 40,000 POUNDS.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECOVERING COSTS OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE COSTS THAT WE ARE ABSORBING FOR PROVIDING THAT SERVICE.
AND RIGHT NOW, UH, WE PAY THE ANNUAL SALARY AND BENEFITS AND OVERHEAD FOR A SINGLE CUSTOMS OFFICER, WHICH IS ABOUT $192,000 A YEAR.
AND I WILL REMARK THAT, THAT WENT UP IN THE FOURTH OF
UH, AIRPORTS HAD BEEN PAYING ABOUT $124,000 A YEAR FLAT RATE ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY SINCE 2003.
AND DURING THE PANDEMIC CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION STARTED LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE WITH INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL SLOWING DOWN, THEY ARE PRIMARILY FUNDED BY USER FEES AND THEY WEREN'T COLLECTING ANY USER FEES.
SO THEY HAD TO FIND EVERY DOLLAR THEY COULD, AND THEY RE-EXAMINED THE USER FEE AIRPORT PROGRAM AND SAID, HEY, YOU GUYS AREN'T COVERING ALL OF OUR COSTS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO READJUST YOU TO WHERE YOU DO COVER ALL THE COSTS.
AND SO WE WENT FROM PAYING ABOUT $124,000 A YEAR FOR OUR CUSTOMS OFFICER TO 190, 2000.
AND REALISTICALLY, THAT WAS FINE.
WE HADN'T SEEN AN INCREASE SINCE 2003.
UH, AND IT'S LIKE, WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG? IT WAS A LITTLE SHORT NOTICE AND ALL AT ONCE, BUT IT REALLY REFLECTS WHAT WE AGREED TO DO, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY CHOICE IN MATTER IF WE WANTED TO CONTINUE, UH, RECEIVING THE SERVICE.
UH, IN ADDITION, WE RECENTLY SIGNED A REIMBURSABLE MEMORANDUM AGREEMENT FOR THE IT AND SECURITY COSTS, WHICH ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW FACILITY, AND THEY'VE GONE UP CONSIDERABLY FROM WHAT THEY WERE THAT'S ABOUT $46,000 A YEAR.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OPERATING COSTS FROM THE NEW FACILITY, WHICH I JUST ESTIMATED ABOUT $3 PER SQUARE FOOT, JUST AS A GUESS.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WILL ACTUALLY BE.
AND I THOUGHT $30 A SQUARE FOOT SOUNDS AT LEAST IN THE BALLPARK.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS ANGLE FIXED COSTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO OBSERVE.
EVEN IF WE DON'T SEE A SINGLE AIRCRAFT CLEARING CUSTOMS, THAT'S JUST FOR US TO BE THERE.
UH, WE GET BILLED BY CUSTOMS FOR ANY OVERTIME CALL OUTS THAT WE HAVE.
THE AVERAGE OVERTIME CHARGE IS ABOUT $300.
AND ABOUT 60% OF OUR INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS DO OUT ARRIVE OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL 40 HOURS OF A WEEK OF A BUSINESS.
SO THAT ESTIMATED COST FOR ON A 400 ANNUAL ARRIVAL SPACES IS ABOUT $73,000.
I USE 400 ANNUAL ARRIVALS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE
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ROUGH AVERAGE FROM FISCAL YEAR 16 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 19.UH,
SO, UM, THAT, THAT THOSE ARE VARIABLE COSTS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY OVERTIMES SHE GETS AND THEN THE SCOPE DISPOSABLE COSTS FOR REGGAE AND GARBAGE.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY CAUTIOUS ABOUT $80 PER BAG AND THAT'S JUST AN AVERAGE COST.
UH, WE COLLECT THE GARBAGE, KEEP IT IN A FREEZER.
AND WITHIN THREE DAYS WE HAVE TO CARRY IT OVER TO DFW, TO ONE OF THE CATERING COMPANIES OVER THERE.
UH, SO WE CHARTERED, WE WERE PAID, UH, YOU'RE CHARGED ABOUT $50 OR WHATEVER WE BRING OVER THERE.
UH, AND IF WE CAN BRING MULTIPLE BAGS AND GET AWAY WITH JUST STUFF IN TWO TO THREE BAGS AND HAVE ONE AND GETTING PAID $50 FOR IT, WE'LL DO THAT.
SO THE HIGHER VOLUME WOULD GO TO THAT, BUT ONE THAT DRIVES OUR COSTS DOWN.
WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO IN THE FUTURE IS TO, UH, GET THE CAPABILITY TO STERILIZE THE GARBAGE OURSELVES ONSITE, UH, WITH AN AUTO-PLAY HAD ANOTHER, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ACTIVELY RIGHT NOW TO ACQUIRE THAT AUTOCLAVE.
SO THAT WILL SAVE US FROM SENDING A GUY IN A VAN OVER AT THE DFW WITH THE GARBAGE, AND THAT WILL REDUCE OUR COSTS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE CHARGE $95 PER BAG FOR DISPOSAL.
WE BELIEVE WE CAN REDUCE THAT COST TO ABOUT $75 PER BAG, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE AMORTIZING OUT AND PAYING FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO 400 ANNUAL ARRIVALS, WE ESTIMATED A LITTLE OVER 1200 THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE COST TO DISPOSE OF THE GARBAGE.
ABOUT 40% OF OUR INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS DO HAVE REGULATED GARBAGE.
UH, SO ON A 400 ARRIVAL BASIS, WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT $334,000 A YEAR TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE, UH, PRIOR TO THE INCREASE IN COSTS WITH
WE WERE INCURRING COSTS OF ABOUT $140,000 A YEAR, UH, EXCLUSIVE OF THE OVERTIME CHARGES AND THE GARBAGE THAT WAS, UH, OVERTIME AND GARBAGE CHARGES.
WE WERE COVERING WHAT WE WERE SPENDING.
SO IN EFFECT FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS OR SO, WE'VE BEEN LOSING ABOUT $140,000 A YEAR JUST TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE.
SO I LOOKED AT THE, UH, INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS, UH, THAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND DATA ON.
UH, AND THERE ARE TWO WAYS THAT WE CAN GET DATA ON AIRPLANES.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT THEY HAVE AN OVERTIME CHARGE.
WE GET A BILL FROM CUSTOMS THAT HAS THE TAIL NUMBER OF THE AIRCRAFT ON THERE.
AND WE CAN IDENTIFY THE OPERATOR FROM THAT BECAUSE THEN WE KNOW WHO TO BILL FOR THE OVERTIME CHARGE.
AND THE SECOND WAY IS THAT THEY HAVE REGULATED GARBAGE.
AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE EITHER ONE, IF THEY COME IN DURING OUR NORMAL SERVICE HOURS AND THEY DON'T HAVE REGULATED GARBAGE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, WE CATCH ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 75% OF THE AIRCRAFT WITH ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO THIS IS MY SAMPLING OF THE LAST 19 MONTHS FROM JANUARY OF 2020 THROUGH THE END OF JULY OF THIS YEAR, WE HAVE 673 TOTAL ARRIVALS, AND I WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY 519 OF THOSE BY AIRCRAFT TIME, UM, OF THE 519, I WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY EXACTLY ONE WAS A BUSY AN ENGINE AIRCRAFT.
IT WAS A TWIN ENGINE PISTON AIRCRAFT.
AND LIKE I SAID, JUST AN AIRCRAFT INTERNATIONAL RIVALS ARE VERY UNUSUAL.
UH, AND ODDLY ENOUGH, WE HAD A HELICOPTER.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A MISTAKE, BUT SOMEBODY ACTUALLY BLEW INTERNATIONAL IN THE HELICOPTER.
DON'T ASK ME HOW, BUT WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE DISTRIBUTIONS OF, UH, AIRCRAFT BY A MAXIMUM GROSS TAKEOFF WEIGHT.
CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST COMMON WAYS TO, UH, UH, SET YOUR CHARGES.
AND WE JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT, UH, VARIOUS RANGES OF WEIGHTS AND, UH, DID ALL KINDS OF MODELING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PLAYING WITH THE FEE STRUCTURES AND KIND OF SEEING WHAT WERE THE REVENUE POTENTIALS.
WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME RUNNING THROUGH THE DATA AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR US TO DO SO OUR, IN OUR CURRENT PRACTICE, WE ONLY CHARGE FOR THE OVERTIME AND THAT'S A DIRECT PASS THROUGH AND FOR THE REGULATED GARBAGE DISPOSAL.
AND WE COVER OUR COSTS OF BOTH THE OVERTIME AND THE REGULATED GARBAGE DISPOSAL, BUT NOT THE SALARY OF THE OFFICER AND NOT HIS, IT COSTS AND NOT THE COST OF PROVIDING OFFICE SPACE FOR HIM.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THE, THE AVERAGE OVERTIME CHARGE, UH, FOR THE LAST 19 MONTHS WAS JUST UNDER $300, BUT THE CHARGES COULD BE VARIABLE THEY'LL RANGE FROM AS LOW AS $40 TO AS MUCH AS $600.
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AND WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GET AN OFFICER CALLED OUT ON THE WEEKEND BECAUSE OF CUSTOMS OVERTIME RULES, HE HAS TO GO BACK TO THE AIRPORT, PUT ON HIS UNIFORM AND HE GETS A TWO HOUR MINIMUM CALL-OUT AT DOUBLE TIME.SO YOU'RE PAYING AN ESSENTIALLY FOUR HOURS MINIMUM FOR THE CUSTOMS OFFICER TO COME OUT.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU GET YOUR $600 CHARGES, IT'S JUST ONE AIRPLANE COMING OUT ON A WEEKEND.
UH, THE SMALLER CHARGES CAN EITHER BE SPLIT CHARGES FROM MULTIPLE AIRCRAFT COMING IN AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
SO THEY MAY PAY FOR 15 MINUTES OF OVERTIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT IT ALL AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT $300.
UH, 290, I THINK, IS WHAT, WHAT WE FOUND AND OUR, OUR CURRENT CHARGE OF $95 PER BAG FOR DISPOSAL REGULATED GARBAGE WAS COVERING OUR COSTS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.
IT'S COVERING MORE THAN OUR COSTS RIGHT NOW, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING A HIGHER VOLUME OF GARMENTS OVER THE DFW AND ABLE TO GET SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE THAT WAY.
SO THIS TABLE SHOWS ESTIMATED REVENUE FROM CUSTOMS, OVERTIME CHARGES AND REGULATED GARBAGE DISPOSAL FEES BASED ON 400 OR 5500, 550 AND 600 ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS.
UH, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT ARE WE LOSING? UH, AND THAT'S THAT RED NUMBER, UH, AND IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, UH, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE IF WE DON'T INSTITUTE A FEE.
UH, AND WE'RE RECOVERING ABOUT LITTLE OVER AT ONE QUARTER OF THE ACTUAL COST OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE.
AND WE'RE RECOVERING THAT ONE QUARTER JUST THROUGH THE OVERTIME CHARGES AND REGULATED GARBAGE CHARGES TOO.
WE'LL FIND ANY REAL QUICK, THOSE RED NUMBERS ARE COVERED BY OTHER REVENUES THAT WE BRING TO THE AIRPORT FOR OPERATIONS, RIGHT? SO WHETHER IT'S A RENTAL, UH, CORRECT LEASE INCOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'D BE COVER THOSE COSTS.
WE JUST DON'T COVER THOSE COSTS DIRECTLY FROM ANY CHARGES ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, TESTAMENTS.
YEAH, THE AIRPORT IS OPERATING IN THE BLACK, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UH, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY, THE WHOLE AIRPORT IS EFFECTIVELY SUBSIDIZING THE PROVISION OF THE INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS.
SO AFTER QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION THAT WENT INTO THIS, UH, WE'VE COME UP WITH A THREE TIERED USER FEE SCHEDULE BASED ON THAT AIRCRAFT, MAXIMUM GROSS TAKEOFF WEIGHT.
SO SMALLER AIRCRAFT THAT'S ANYTHING UNDER 12,500 POUNDS, WE BET A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER OCCURRENCE.
AND THIS IS DURING OUR NORMAL HOURS, UH, BETWEEN 12,550,000 POUNDS, AND IT PAID $200.
AND THEN OVER 50,000 POUNDS, $400, WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND A FLAT $200 FEE FOR OVERTIME CLEARANCES.
UM, OUR REGULAR SERVICE HOURS CURRENTLY ARE 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, BUT WE REQUESTED A CHANGE IN THOSE SERVICE HOURS AND CUSTOMERS RESPONDED POSITIVELY TO THAT.
AND WE WILL MOVE THAT TO 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE GET ALMOST NO INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS AT 4:10 AM.
NOBODY GETS UP THAT EARLY AND, YOU KNOW, AS A THREE HOUR FLIGHT AND YOU'RE GETTING UP IN THE DARK AND DO THAT.
UH, BUT WE DO GET QUITE A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS BETWEEN FIVE AND 7:00 PM.
SO THAT WILL CUT DOWN ON OUR INCIDENTS OF OVERTIME AND, UH, REDUCE THE COSTS FOR OUR USERS.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, BELIEVE WE CAN, UH, COVER OUR REGULATOR, THE GARBAGE DISPOSALS WITH A $75 FEE.
UH, SO WHAT DOES THE REVENUE FROM THAT LOOK LIKE FOR THE SAME, UH, RANGE OF INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS? 400 APPLES.
THE AVERAGE FROM FY 16 THROUGH I 19, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY DO ABOUT 500 THIS YEAR AND FYI 21.
AND, UH, WITH THAT PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULE, UH, WE WILL HAVE A NET OPERATING LOSS DOWN THERE ANYWHERE FROM 170,000 DOWN TO ABOUT 130,000, WHICH IS IN THE RANGE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING PRIOR TO THE FYI 20.
UH, I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT WITH THE FLAT $200, UH, OVERTIME CHARGE THAT WE'LL DO A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR OUR USERS THAT WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE THEIR OVERTIME COSTS BECAUSE OUR AVERAGE CHARGE WOULD BE CLOSE TO $300.
SO WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY EAT SOME OF THAT CHARGE IN EXCHANGE FOR HAVING A CLEARANCE FEE.
UH, BUT IT ALSO GIVES THEM PREDICTABILITY.
ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE HEARD OF JUST HAVING A STRICT PASS THROUGH WAS THEY NEVER KNEW WHAT THE CHARGE WAS GOING TO BE, AND THEY JUST LIKED TO KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THEM.
JUST TELL ME WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.
I SAY, WELL, WHAT DO YOU COMMENT? AND WHO'S COMING TO CLEAR YOUR AIRPLANE AND WHAT'S HIS HOURLY RATE AND HOW MANY HOURS IS HE GOING TO CHARGE? I DON'T KNOW.
SO WE COULD TELL HIM ANYWHERE FROM $40 TO $600 AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY LIKE
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THAT THEY WOULD PREFER A FLAT FEE.SO I THINK PUTTING THE FLAT FEE THE SAME AS WHAT OUR COMPETITOR AIRPORTS CHARGE, THE FORT WORTH AIRPORTS AND MCKINNEY CHARGES $200 FOR AND OVER TIME SEEMED LIKE A REASONABLE WAY FORWARD ON THAT.
SO WE WOULD GO FROM RECOVERING ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE COSTS TO ROUGHLY HALF OF THE COST, MAYBE SLIGHTLY MORE THAN HALF.
IF WE GET A FAIRLY HIGH GAIN THE TRAFFIC AND THEN JUST TO COMPARE WITH A LOT OF FIELD, WHICH IS BECAUSE REALLY OUR BIGGEST COMPETITOR FOR BUSINESS AVIATION TRAFFIC THERE, THEIR CLOSEST AND BUSIEST.
AND REALLY, IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE GONE TO, YOU KNOW, GALLERY AREA OR RICHARDSON TELECOM QUARTER, THEY HAVE TWO OPTIONS AND THAT'S US FAILED.
UH, AND WE PREFER THEY COME HERE.
SO OUR FEE SCHEDULE IS LOWER THAN THERE IS ACROSS THE BOARD, EXCEPT FOR PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT.
AND REALLY JUST AN ENGINE AIRCRAFT ARE NOT A FACTOR.
I MEAN, IF YOU GET HERE IN A PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT, CONGRATULATIONS, THIS FEE IS STILL THE SAME.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE THE NECESSITY OF PUTTING IN A SPECIAL CATEGORY FOR ONE AIRPLANE EVERY TWO YEARS.
UM, WE'RE NOT IN A MARKET WHERE YOU SEE A LOT OF DISTANT TRAFFIC.
THERE ARE SOME REPORTS IN FLORIDA THAT SEE LOTS OF PISTON HERE IN FRONT OF AIRPLANES, AND IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO HAVE FEES THAT ACCOMMODATE THAT, BUT IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE FOR US TO HAVE THAT FEED CATEGORY.
SO ONCE YOU CAN SEE IS THAT, UH, KNOW IF YOU CAME IN WITH JUST THE AIRPLANE, DIDN'T HAVE GARBAGE CAN COME IN ON OVERTIME, IT'S STILL BE CHEAPER TO COME TO ADDISON.
IF YOU HAD REGULATED GARBAGE ONLY, IT WOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE IN COSTS.
AND IF YOU CAME IN ON OVERTIME, YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY MORE TO COME TO ADIS, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO COST US A LOT MORE.
WE DO WANT TO RECOVER SOME OF OUR COSTS AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON BEHIND THIS EXERCISE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO IMPROVE THE FEE SCHEDULE.
THAT'S PROPOSED ON SLIDE 11 OF THIS PRESENTATION.
WE WOULD PROPOSE MAKING THAT EFFECTIVE WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE CUSTOMERS OPERATING OUT OF THE NEW FACILITY.
UH, WE HAVE ACQUIRED A, AN AUTOMATED PAYMENT KIOSK THAT WOULD BE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE ENTRY TO THE NEW FACILITY UNDER THAT OVERHANG.
SO IT'S OUT OF THE BRAIN AND SOMEBODY COULD GO THERE AND JUST ENTER IN THEIR INFORMATION AND PAY THEIR FEE CREDIT CARD, APPLE PAY, WHATEVER WE TAKE ANYTHING, UH, EXCEPT FOR CASH.
UM, BUT IT WILL BE VERY CONVENIENT.
AND, UH, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROGRAM IN THERE.
SO, UH, THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL HAPPILY ENTERTAIN THOSE AT THIS POINT.
UM, SEE THIS CASE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR US CUSTOM INVOICES, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
SO THEY COME IN GARBAGE $75 OVERTIME, THE $200 JUST TO REGULATE JUST BASED ON THE SIZES, 100, 200, 400.
SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY SIMPLIFIED, SO KIOSK AND CALMING.
SO NO NEED TO TALK TOO MUCH SPEED TO GET EASY, SIMPLE SPEED UP BILLING.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET A BILL FROM CUSTOMS, WHICH MAY TAKE TWO OR THREE WEEKS.
THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND FIGURE OUT WHO TO BILL.
UH, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE AN INTERNATIONAL OPERATOR OUT OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY, CANADA, MEXICO, SOMEWHERE ELSE, UH, THAT THAT COULD TAKE SOME TIME TO RUN DOWN.
IF IT'S NOT SOMEBODY THAT'S A REGULAR USER.
ALSO ANOTHER FEATURE OF THIS KIOSK WILL BE, UH, THAT ONCE YOU'VE ENTERED YOUR INFORMATION, WE KNOW YOUR AIRPLANE AND JUST POPULATE.
THESE ARE THE OTHER THING IS IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE PAYMENT RECEIPT, CUSTOMERS NEED TO KNOW IF YOU DON'T PAY, THEY DON'T INSPECT.
IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE NO CUSTOMERS WILL INSPECT AND IF THEY DON'T PAY, WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK FOR IT.
WE, WE, CUSTOMS WILL GET PAID.
THAT IS THE AGREEMENT WE PAY CUSTOMERS.
IT'S JUST, WHAT DO WE GET REIMBURSED? AND I THINK THEY DISCUSSED STREAMLINE REIMBURSEMENT, MAKING MUCH SIMPLER PROCESS OR PREDICTABLE.
ARE THERE ANYBODY COMING IN, NEVER PAID FOR IT'S RARE.
UH, AND USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMEBODY WE JUST CAN'T TRACK THEM DOWN.
THE SYSTEM SAYS, YOU CANNOT ASK US COUSINS OR WE'LL HAVE THEM ON CAMERA.
SO IF THEY HAVE NO HONOR, WE HAVE WAYS OF FINDING OUT WHO THEY ARE.
I THINK JOE, UM, COULD YOU KIND OF WALK US THROUGH, WHEN IS IT THE PILOTS THAT, THAT SEE THESE FEES ARE WHO, WHO IS, WHO IS THE ENTITY, THE LEAD, IF YOU WILL, THIS PAYING, IT WOULD USUALLY BE THE PILOT, THE PILOT.
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UM, IS THE, IS IT TYPICAL THAT THE PILOT WOULD CHECK IN WITH US OR CUSTOMS BEFOREHAND AND SEE THESE FEES SOMEWHERE? UH, THESE WILL POP UP ON THE KIOSK.AND SO THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF EDUCATING OUR USERS OF WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS AND, YOU KNOW, PUBLISHING THAT THEM AND GETTING THE WORD OUT.
UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY WHO COMES INTO CUSTOMS IS WORKING WITH ONE OF THE FIXED BASE OPERATORS, YOU KNOW, A MILLIONAIRE OR ATLANTIC AND COMING SOON AND GALAXY.
SO THEY'RE EITHER BASED HERE OR THERE REGULAR USERS.
IT'S PRETTY RARE THAT WE GET SOMEBODY IN.
THAT'S LIKE A ONE-OFF, UH, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN ARE, ARE WE SEEN THEM A LOT.
SO USUALLY YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO GET THE WORD OUT TO YOUR REGULARS AND THEN THEY'LL BE A FEW OTHERS THAT WILL JUST COME IN AND YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO EDUCATE THEM HOW IT WORKS WITH THE ACTUAL FEES.
JOEL, WOULD WE ANTICIPATE PUTTING THE ACTUAL FEES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON OUR WEBSITE? SO IF SOMEBODY WASN'T OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WOULD PUBLISH THAT ON THE WEBSITE, ALONG WITH ALL OUR OTHER INTERVIEWS.
AND SO IF ANYBODY WANTED TO LOOK THAT UP AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE I GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THE OTHER USER FEE AIRPORTS AND WHAT THEY CHARGE, MOST OF THEM PUT THIS ON THEIR WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT.
THERE'S A FEW THAT DON'T, YOU HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THOSE AND ASK THEM, WHAT DO YOU GUYS CHARGE ME THE CHARGE? OKAY.
SO, SO ONCE, ONCE WE GET OUR REGULARS UP TO SPEED WITH OUR, OUR, OUR NEW PRICING, THE ONES THAT ARE NOT REGULAR STILL, THEY MIGHT SEE IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AT THE KIOSK.
BUT WHAT, FOR WHAT I HEAR YOU TELLING ME, THEY'RE USED TO PAYING A SIMILAR FEES.
USUALLY PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL INTERNATIONALLY WILL DO THEIR HOMEWORK.
SO THEN YOU ARE IN REAL TROUBLE.
IF YOU JUST KIND OF FLY IN SOME WAYS, DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
AND THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR COMPANIES THAT HANDLE THIS, UH, UNIVERSAL WEATHER DOWN IN HOUSTON IS ONE THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY SPECIALIZE IN MAKING ARRANGEMENTS FOR INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL.
SO IF YOU'RE BASED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SOMEPLACE IN EUROPE, SAY, NOW YOU CAN WORK WITH THEM AND FIGURE OUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO DO.
ALL THE PIECES, YOU NEED, ALL THE FEES THAT YOU EXPECT, ALL THE GROUND HANDLING.
SO IT USUALLY BE SOMEBODY ON THE FRONT END OF THAT HELPING YOU OUT.
AND THEY WILL KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AS LONG AS WE MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO FIND IT.
THE OTHER THING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOEL, MOST, UH, AIRPORTS THAT RECEIVE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS CHARGE, UH, FEEDS FOR CUSTOMS OR LANDING, ET CETERA.
SO IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY RARE THAT THEY'RE COMING TO A AIRPORT FROM AN INTERNATIONAL LOCATION AND NOT PAYING A CUSTOMS FEE, ESPECIALLY IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT THEY, THEY, THEY ARE MOSTLY TRAINED.
AND I WOULD SAY SAFELY THE, THAT THEY'RE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE TRAVELERS ARE TRAINED TO EXPECT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS TYPE OF THING.
JUST TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS.
UM, AND, AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT THESE FEES, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OUTCOMES WOULD BE, THIS MIGHT HELP US IMPROVE OUR INTERNATIONAL OPERATIONS DATA TRACKING? WELL, I THINK JUST OPERATING OUT OF THE NEW FACILITY WILL HELP WITH THAT BECAUSE THEN WE'LL HAVE CAMERAS ON EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN AND GOES RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE ONES WHO WE'RE MISSING ON THE ONES THAT COME IN DURING THE NORMAL SERVICE HOURS FOR CUSTOMS, THAT THEY GO TO WHERE CUSTOMS IS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS ONE OF THE FPOS, WE DON'T SEE THEM.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE OR WHAT THEY WERE, BUT NOW THEY'LL BE COMING ON TO THE RAMP THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR CUSTOMER USE.
AND WE HAVE CAMERAS ON THAT RAMP.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO SEE THEM AND WE WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHO'S COMING.
WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER WAYS TO, TO TRACK THAT, UH, UH, ONE OF THEM IS A, UH, A NEW SYSTEM THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, IT'S CALLED THE GUARDS SYSTEM.
WE TRACK THEIR HDSP OUTPUT, WHICH IS A AUTOMATIC DEPENDENT SURVEILLANCE BROADCAST, UH, WHICH IS A KIND OF A THING ON AIRPLANES THAT OPERATE IN THIS KIND OF AIRSPACE.
IT JUST GIVES A UNIQUE CODE THAT YOU COULD LOOK UP WHAT THAT AIRCRAFT IS AND WHO OWNS IT.
UM, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED TO DIVE INTO THAT DATA AND SORT THOSE PEOPLE OUT.
CAUSE IT TELLS YOU EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN AND GOES THROUGH YOUR AIRPORT.
AND SO YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE ONES THAT WERE COMING INTERNATIONALLY.
YOU COULD FIND THOSE, BUT IT'D BE A LOT OF WORK.
WE'LL JUST BE ABLE TO SEE THEM ON THE GROUND AS THEY COULD ACCUSTOMED AT THE NEW FACILITY.
UM, AND, AND DID I MISS DFWS PRICING OR IT WAS NOT SHERRY.
IT WAS NOT SHARED AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION AS PART OF AN INTERNAL CONVERSATION.
WE DID HAVE THAT, UH, AT THAT DISCUSSION.
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BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT COMMON THAT GENERALLY J GENERAL LABOR IN GENERAL AVIATION PLANE WOULD LAND AT DFW FOR INTERNATIONAL PURPOSES, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO BUSY AND HAS TO COMPETE WITH COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, THAT TRAFFIC, ET CETERA.WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T OVERCOOKING DFW AS A POTENTIAL, UH, PLACE OF COMPETITION.
JOEL, CAN YOU, UH, YOU REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, SOME OF THE, UH, THE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE VFW? YES, THEY DO HAVE, UH, AN OVERNIGHT OR A FACILITY FEE THAT STARTS AT ABOUT $75 FOR A SMALLER CRAFT.
IT GOES UP TO, I THINK, A LITTLE OVER $200 FOR A REALLY BIG AIRPLANE.
UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT EVEN WHEN YOU CLEAR CUSTOMS, UH, WHERE, UH, THE AIRPORT ISN'T CHARGING A FEE FOR CUSTOMS IS GOING TO CHARGE YOU A FEE.
IF YOU BUY AN INTERNATIONAL TICKET AND GO THROUGH CUSTOMS, THERE IS A, A, A FEE CHARGED FRATERNITY CUSTOMS THAT'S TACKED ON YOUR TAKING THERE.
SO THERE ARE CHARGES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH CLEARING CUSTOMS UP THERE.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY BIG, MAYBE $15 IN THAT RANGE.
UH, YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, YEAH, DFW IT'S IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH GENERALLY NATION TRAFFIC THAT GOES THERE.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE RELIEVERS AND, UH, UH, YOU HAVE SOME EARLY, BIGGER AIRPLANES THERE.
UH, YOU'RE GOING TO GET PUT IN BEHIND ABOUT 10 AIRLINERS GOING IN THERE, AND YOU MAY NOT SAVE ANY TIME TRYING TO GO INTO DFW.
I ADD A SQUAT EASIER AND QUICKER IF YOU'RE A GA AIRPLANE.
EVEN IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE, THE COST TO GO INTO DFW WAS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN COM ADDISON.
WE FELT COMFORTABLE BEING ABLE TO BE SLIGHTLY LESS BECAUSE GIVEN THE SAFETY AND THE TIMING, IT MAY NOT BE FASTER TO GO TO THE FDA, MAYBE FASTER TO COME HERE.
SO YOU MAY PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF COMING IN AND PROCESSING THROUGH OUR AIRPORT MORE QUICKLY.
THE ONE MAIN CONCERN THAT I HAD, AND I SHARED THE STAFF RESPONDED.
EXCELLENT THING, UH, WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, MCKINNEY CURRENTLY DOESN'T CHARGE A CUSTOMS FEE AND I DIDN'T WANT US TO PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE WOULD PRICE PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE INCENTIVIZED TO GO TO MCKINNEY.
IF THEY WERE TRYING TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO GO TO THE LEGACY AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE WE NEED TO GO TO ADDISON PORT? ARE WE GOING TO GO TO MCKINNEY TO FUNNY? THAT'S WHY WE, WE, WE THEORETICALLY COULD HAVE CHARGED MORE AS PART OF OUR STRUCTURE AND BEEN ABLE TO RECOVER MORE REVENUE AND THEN BETTER, MORE COMPETING WITH DALLAS LOVE FIELD.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE KIDDIES OUT THERE AS WELL, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH PEOPLE THERE BY HAVING THE FEED SET TOO HIGH.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
AND I ALSO LIKED THAT YOU WAS REALLY RECOVERING JUST FOR ADDED EXPENSE WHEN THEY INCREASE THE FEES FOR THE OFFICER IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING.
SO IT'S LIKE GRANTED SOMEPLACE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSE TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT THANK YOU THREE TIMES AS LONG, OR GET THROUGH CUSTOMS AND WAY THEY LIE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND GOING BACK TO DFW, IF YOU'VE EVER LANDED THERE IN AIRLINER, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO TAXI TO THE GATE? YEAH.
YOU SEE
I, I DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE COMPARISON BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN ABLE TO AIRPORT, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IS, UH, WHEN, WHEN THEY COME OVER TIME, THE AIRPLANE FLYING OVER TIME AND THEN HOW THEY NOTIFY THE AIRPORT.
SO THE US CUSTOMER WOULD SHOW UP, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE ALREADY HOME.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT ARRANGEMENT WITH CUSTOMS AT LEAST 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE THE DAY BEFORE.
AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN ON A WEEKEND, THEY HAVE TO DO AT LEAST 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE.
THEY HAVE CALL THEM ON FRIDAY TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE COMING IN ON SUNDAY.
SO THEY MAKE THAT CALL DIRECTLY TO CUSTOMS. AND THE CUSTOMS OFFICER KNOWS TO COME OUT.
SO WE'VE ONLY BEEN UP SINCE THEY FAILED TO DO THAT.
ONE TIME, UH, I WAS, UH, CALLED FOR HELP IS BY A BOSS ON
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OVER LANDLORD DOWN THE END OF MY RESTAURANT.SO I THINK THAT THE NAME OF JOHN, YOU KNOW, THEY FLOWN IN FROM, UH, FROM MEXICO.
SO THEY HAVE, UH, APPARENTLY COUNTERING 11 PEOPLE.
SO THE CUSTOMS REFUSED TO INSPECT THEM.
SO THEY HAVE TO FLY BACK TO THE FIRST ENTRY PORT, WHICH IS POSSIBLE.
SO, SO THEY WANT TO LAND HERE.
THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE OFF, WENT BACK TO EL PASO, GET IT INSPECTED, THEN FLEW BACK.
SO FOR THAT, HE ASKED ME TO PLEA WITH, UH, FAA.
SO THEN ALSO WHERE YOU HAVE, I THINK, UH, CONGRESSMAN, UH, PEACE SESSIONS OR A LETTER TO NOTIFY THEM, BUT WE DID HAVE CONTROL.
HOWEVER YOU REMEMBER, UH, WAY, UH, DID A GROUNDBREAKING
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND LET US KNOW, I HAD EVEN 20 PEOPLE, WE WERE ABLE TO INSPECT YOU.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THINGS IS COMMUNICATION.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE THAT IN MY HEAD AT THE TIME, YOU PROBABLY CAN SEND TO CUSTOMER OFFICER INSTEAD OF ONE.
AND ACTUALLY, UH, I RECALL VERY WELL INCIDENTS, YOU MENTIONED.
AND, AND AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF TOTAL PEOPLE ON THE AIRPLANE THAT WAS 10, WHEREAS NATIONWIDE, THE REGULATION ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE UP TO 29 ACCOUNTS, PASSENGERS AND CREW.
SO 20 PEOPLE TOTAL ON THE AIRPLANE, BUT, UH, UH, THAT WAS A LOCAL REQUIREMENT.
AND, UH, WE SUCCESSFULLY APPEALED TO CUSTOMS TO GET THAT CHANGED.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM SINCE, SO WE DID GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED TO, TO WRITE LETTERS AND SAY, HEY, WE OPERATE BIG AIRPLANES.
THE NATIONAL STANDARD IS 20 PEOPLE ON THE AIRPLANE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REAL REASON FOR HAVING DENNIS 10, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE COME HERE ALL THE TIME WE'RE BASED HERE.
AND SO WE DID GET THAT RESOLVED.
SO I REALLY WANT TO APPLAUD YOU BECAUSE WE ALWAYS SUBSIDIZE THIS SERVICE.
SO FINALLY, IT'S TIME FOR US TO RECOVER AT LEAST MOST OF OUR COST.
SO THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
WE AREN'T GOING TO RECOVER ALL THE COSTS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO RECOVER MORE THAN WE HAVE BEEN.
AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BALANCE HERE BETWEEN, UH, RECOVERING, UH, ALL OF THE COSTS VERSUS AGAIN, POTENTIALLY DRIVING TRAFFIC TO ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WHERE THEY'RE THERE.
NOT BECAUSE THERE IS A VALUE TO HAVING THESE, UH, BUSINESSES LOCATED HERE AND THIS KIND OF TRAFFIC COME IN HERE, THEY BRING MORE THAN JUST THE CUSTOMS FEE.
UH, THERE'S THE FUEL SALES, THERE'S A HOTEL STAYS.
THERE'S HAVING THE BASE AIRCRAFT HERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER BENEFITS, ESPECIALLY THE INTERNATIONAL OPERATION STATUS THAT IS HIGH END TRAFFIC THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE A CHAIR AIRPORT.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A LOSS LEADER, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU SELL YOUR APPETIZERS CHEAPER TO GET PEOPLE TO FULL DINNER.
WELL, MY FRIENDS TOO, SO I SAID, JOE, YOU HAVE TO FOOL WITH ME SO WE CAN HAVE THE MOST FAMOUS HAMBURGER.
SO WHY THERE, APPARENTLY THAT HYBRID THE SHOP WAS CLOSED.
SO
SO THE GUIDE WALKING THE HILL OR THIS JUST SO MY CAR RIGHT THERE, JUST SO THE KEY TO US.
SO WE JUST DROVE OVER IN A HAMBURGER AND DO A BAG, GIVE BACK IS KEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE IN AVIATION INDUSTRY, THEY ARE SO FRIENDLY, SO NICE.
YOU'RE STILL THE KID, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS SUCH A FRIENDLY GESTURE, RIGHT? SO, UM, HE PROBABLY HAD A GPS TRACKER AND SCAR TO THE ENTIRE TIME WHEN THEY GOT WRONG.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY A GREAT JOB ON THIS PRESENTATION.
I, UH, I HAD TO LOOP THROUGH IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I WAS TRYING TO RUN SOME CALCULATIONS ON COMPARISONS.
AND THEN I REALIZED DOWN HERE ON THIS SLIDE, YOU DID IT BECAUSE IT'S CONFUSING A LITTLE BIT, HOW THE FEE STRUCTURE IS SO DIFFERENT FROM AIRPORT TO AIRPORT.
AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT YOU'RE FLYING REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY.
UM, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, UM, REMIND US OF WHEN
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THE CUSTOMS FACILITY YOU EXPECT IT TO BE BECOME OPERATIONAL.IT JUST, I, SO THIS YEAR FOR THE END OF THE YEAR, WE EXPECT IT TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER.
BUT WE ALSO ARE WAITING FOR THE IT AND SECURITY PACKAGE FROM CUSTOMS TO BE DELIVERED AND BE INSTALLED.
AND THEN CUSTOMS HAS TO INSPECT THAT THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT IT, TURN IT OVER.
AND I'M THINKING PROBABLY AROUND THANKSGIVING IS PROBABLY A GOOD BALLPARK FOR A MINOR WE THINK.
AND WE DO, WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE A GRAND OPENING AT SOME POINT.
SO THEN WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THAT AND GET SOME MORE FIRMNESS ON, WHEN THAT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING.
ANYBODY TELLS ME ABOUT INSTALLATION DATES OR DELIVERY DATES.
IT'S JUST BEEN A MOVING TARGET, SO I'M GONNA HOLD YOU TO IT.
BUT I JUST, IN GENERAL, GENERALLY AROUND THE END OF NOVEMBER, IT STARTED DECEMBER.
I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD BALLPARK FROM WHEN WE CAN EXPECT TO START OPERATIONS THERE.
UM, JOEL, I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE CUSTOMS IS, IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE WORKING WITH US ON THE HOURS.
DOES THAT MEAN THEY MIGHT BE OPEN TO FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, OVERTIME IF, WHEN IT, IF THEY OCCUR IN THE FUTURE, THEY HAVE VERY STRICT RULES THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE LAWS AS FOR WHAT THEIR OVERTIME CHARGES ARE AND THAT'S NEGOTIATED WITH THEIR WORKFORCE AND IT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN INTO THE LAW SO THAT, OKAY, SO IT'S NOT A FUNCTION OF HOW MANY HOURS, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL HAS WORKED, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A FUNCTION OF NON-OPERATIONAL AVERAGE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME COMPLICATED PAYROLLS, BUT AGAIN, LIKE IF, IF THEY ARE COMING IN ON, ON A WEEKEND, UH, IT'S, IT'S FOR BASICALLY A TWO HOUR MINIMUM AT DOUBLE TIME AND ALL THEIR OVERHEAD COSTS WITH THAT.
AND IT'S BASED ON THE HOURLY RATE OF WHOEVER'S RESPONDING.
SO IF YOU GET THE JUNIOR GUY, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS, IF YOU GET THE SENIOR GUY, WHICH WE ALWAYS SEEM TO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF DATA DATA, WELL, WELL PRESENTED.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF LEVERAGING THE AMENITIES OR AMENITIES AND LOCATION FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT WE USE ARE FREE.
CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE AIRPLANE USER FEE AIRPORTS HAVING 20 PER PERSON PER AIRCRAFT LIMIT? DO WE NOT HAVE PLANTS, LANDING AND ADDISON THAT CAN HOLD MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE? WE DO, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE FOR INTERNATIONAL.
AND REALLY WHEN YOU GET OVER 30 PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO GO TO AN AIR CARRIER OR APARTMENT 39 AIRPORT.
UH, AND FOR THE MOST PART, OUR OPERATORS, AREN'T, AREN'T SERIOUSLY LIMITED BY THE 20TH 20 PERSON LIMIT.
UM, THE MOST WE'VE SEEN ON AN AIRPLANE IS LIKE 17 OR 18.
SO IT'S NOT A SERIOUS LIMITATION THAT IS WRITTEN INTO LAW.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CHANGE WITHOUT GOING TO CONGRESS AND ASKING THEM TO CHANGE THE LAW.
AND TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT LIMIT IS ONLY ON THE INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS.
THAT'S THE LIMIT ON THE INTERNATIONAL RIVALS? NOT ON DOMESTIC BLADES IN CENTER.
AND DID, DID YOU SEE ANY DRAWBACKS INSTITUTING A FIELD? WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY GET SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT BECAUSE NOBODY LIKES TO PAY MORE FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN RECEIVING FOR FREE AND THE FEE IS NOT GOING TO BE A LARGE FEE.
UH, AND, UH, I'LL JUST TO ILLUSTRATE, I HAD A CALL RECENTLY FROM SOMEBODY WHO WAS BOOKING A TRIP FOR A CUSTOMER AND THEY WERE COMING OUT OF LOS ANGELES AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT OUR FEE WAS.
AND I SAID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T MADE A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL YET.
AND THE OVERTIME CHARGE CAN BE VERY, IF WE DON'T CHANGE THIS, SO IT'LL BE A RANGE.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE ME A NUMBER.
AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THE MAXIMUM WILL BE, WILL BE, YOU KNOW, 600, $700, WHATEVER.
UH, AND THEY SAID, YEAH, OKAY.
WE JUST NEED A NUMBER OF THE TRIP ON BOOKING IS $70,000.
SO, YOU KNOW, A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS ON TOP OF $70,000, ISN'T REALLY SIGNIFICANT.
AND THEY JUST WANTED A NUMBER SO THEY COULD GIVE A QUOTE.
AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AIRPLANES THAT COSTS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AN HOUR TO OPERATE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE FEE IS NOT SIGNIFICANT, THEN YOU'RE DOING BETTER TO COME INTO HERE AND PAY A LITTLE FEE AND SUPPORT THAT SERVICE.
I THINK PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, THAT WE NEED TO RECOVER.
SOME OF THAT COSTS, OUR COSTS HAVE INCREASED A LOT.
I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT, UH, BY RECOVERING THOSE COSTS OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF THOSE COSTS, EXCUSE ME, THAT ALLOWS US TO USE RESOURCES FOR OTHER THINGS AT THE AIRPORT TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN OUR, UH, CAPITAL PROJECTS OR MAKE SURE THAT OUR OPERATIONS ARE WHAT THEY NEED TO BE.
UH, SO I THINK OVERALL NET, NET, IT'S A POSITIVE,
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UH, IT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, FOR A MODEST, UH, CHANGING IN COSTS FOR FOLKS.I MEAN, THE, THE COMPLAINTS WILL BE PROBABLY THOSE WHO JUST LIKE PAYING ZERO.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THEM, UH, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF I CONTINUE TO HAVE A REALLY FANTASTIC, UH, VOCATION WITH REALLY GREAT AMENITIES AND THE VALUE I THINK IS THERE IN SPADES.
I REMEMBER WE STILL DON'T HAVE MANY FEET.
NO, WE DID NOT HAVE A LANDING.
SOME OTHER, WHATEVER LENDING FEES AND LANDING FEES ARE FAIRLY COMMON AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS IN THE NORTHEAST, WE DON'T HAVE LENDING FEES.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS SINCE TO DO ANYTHING ON A GUARANTEE THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, JUST LOOKING AT IT THROUGH COMPLAINTS.
YOU LAUGH, BUT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE TRUTH.
WE GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS JUST BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY GENERATE FROM THAT.
ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS WE HAVE PROBABLY THE NICEST CUSTOMS FACILITY IN THE AREA.
UH, WE WENT AROUND AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES, PARTICULARLY THE ONE ABOVE IT.
HONESTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE A BUS DEPOT.
UM, AND FOR THE, UH, OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE FLYING INTERNATIONAL ON GENERATION AIRCRAFT, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEM ARRIVE IN A BUS, BUT WE WANT A NICE FACILITY.
I THINK WE'VE BECOME, YEAH, WE HAVE THE BEST FUEL FARM CONTROL TOWER, NOT US CUSTODY FACILITY AND ADMINISTRATION OFFICE EMS SYSTEM NO LONGER IN YOUR TAXIWAY OR THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN FIXED ALL THE PLACES FAST OFF GOING TO SUCH GREAT FPOS SO WHAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT, THIS IS THE FIRST CLASS GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT, ALONG WITH FIRST CLASS GENERAL AVIATION STEP.
SO WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT? RIGHT.
I'LL TAKE PRIDE OVER THE 20 YEARS.
I'VE GOTTEN INVOLVED EVERY DAY.
I SEE ALL THE IMPROVEMENT SINCE 2002, I SERVE ON THE CITY OF COMMERCE AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
JUST LUCK IS NOT SOME AIRPORT ELSEWHERE.
KEN YETI COME HERE JUST TO LOOK ON THOSE INDIVIDUAL HANDLES AS BUSINESSES TO FIX IT, ILL PAST THE EVENT, FIX MAYBE OUR PLANS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S JUST UNHEARD OF JOEL.
I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, THIS IS NOT A, THIS IS NOT AN ACTION.
I'LL BE, WE'LL PREPARE AN ORDINANCE.
THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WAS ATTACHED AND WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD AT A FUTURE COUNSELING.
I DO WANT TO MAKE, YOU WANT TO NOTE, THERE WERE TWO ATTACHMENTS HERE, ONE CALLED AIRBORNE USER FEES AND THE OTHER CALLED CUSTOMS REVENUE MODEL.
THOSE ARE, THOSE WERE, UH, ERRONEOUSLY ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEMS. SO PLEASE DISREGARD ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR JOEL.
[2. Present and Discuss Options for Town Facilitation of Community Garage Sale Activities. ]
I SAID, NUMBER TWO, PRESENT DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR CALM FACILITATION OF THE WATCH SILLY ACTIVITIES.I'VE HEARD THAT RECENTLY WE WILL ASK SOME OF THE CITIZENS.
I THINK I RECEIVED EMAILS FROM PEOPLE DRESSED TWICE AS PROVIDE SALE SO WE CAN DO THE PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, MARION CITY COUNCIL, 10 SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN.
I HAD A SON THAT'S THAT OUT TO PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE TOWNS, A COMMUNITY GROUSE, I LIKE ACTIVITIES.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, PROVIDE, UH, SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR FUTURE TOWN, FACILITATION OF THAT EVENT.
SO FIRST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE EVENT.
UH, THE, UH, COMMUNITY GARAGE SALE IS ACTUALLY A BI-ANNUAL EVENT, UH, TYPICALLY IN, UH, HELD IN THE FALL AND SPRING OF EACH YEAR.
UM, AND THAT EVENT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR DECADES.
UM, TYPICALLY THAT EVENT HAS BEEN HELD, UM, PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, SO, UH, FREQUENTLY, UM, IN BIG BOX RETAIL CENTERS ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, ON THE ONE POINT IT WAS HELD UP THE FORMER SAM'S CLUB PROPERTY.
UM, MOST RECENTLY IT'S BEEN HELD AT THE ADDISON TOWN CENTER, UH, CURRENTLY WHERE THE, UH, ROSS DEPARTMENT STORE, UH, IS LOCATED.
SO, UH, IN THE SURFACE PARKING LOTS, UM, THIS EVENT,
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UH, HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN MANAGED BY MY DEPARTMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, AND TYPICALLY AT LEAST IN RECENT YEARS, UH, THE BUDGET IS APPROXIMATELY $16,000.SO THAT COVERS, UH, THE BIGGEST COSTS WITH THAT IS EQUIPMENT RENTAL.
SO THERE'S A, A LARGE TENT, UH, THAT, UH, UH, HOUSES THE EVENT.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, WE'LL HAVE TABLES, CHAIRS, UH, SUPPLIES FOR THE SALE AND, UH, STAFF, UH, TO SUPPORT, UH, THE EVENT AS WELL.
UM, WITH THE PANDEMIC, UH, THIS EVENT, UH, SIMILAR TO SOME OF OUR OTHER EVENTS WAS, UH, PUT ON HIATUS AND IT WAS LAST HELD IN OCTOBER OF 2019, BUT NOW AS WE EMERGED FROM THE PANDEMIC AND STARTED CONDUCTING OUR OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSIDER, UH, THIS, UH, TOWN SERVICE THAT HAS BEEN TRADITIONALLY BEEN PROVIDED.
SO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, AND, AND IT'S REALLY INFLUENCED IN THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT, UM, WITH THE GARAGE SALE, IT REALLY, THE MAIN ONE IS, UM, AS THE TOWN HAS DEVELOPED, UH, AS, UH, UH, 10 MINUTES HAVE CHANGED AND SOME OF THE SPACES THAT WE HAVE USED IN THE PAST FOR, UH, THE GARAGE SALE EVENT, UM, WE NO LONGER HAD THAT DEDICATED SPACE, UM, PRIVATE PROPERTY AT ADDISON TOWN CENTER.
UM, WE, UH, THIS WAS A CONDITION THAT WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT, UH, DURING THE PANDEMIC, BUT IT WAS RECENTLY RECONFIRMED THAT, UH, THE TENANT, UH, THAT, UH, CONTROLLED CONTROLS THE PARKING LOT, THAT, OR THAT EVENT WAS LAST HELD, UH, UH, IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF HOLDING THAT EVENT, UH, AT THAT LOCATION, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT, WE DO NEED TO FIND A NEW HOME FOR THIS EVENT, UH, IF WE DO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, AND THESE ARE LESS MINOR, UM, BUT, UM, SOME CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE ON THE STAFF SIDE, IT IS REALLY, UM, THE SPIRIT OF THE EVENT.
IT'S A GARAGE SALE REALLY INTENDED FOR, FOR FOLKS TO BRING THEIR, THEIR USED BELONGINGS AND FIND A NEW HOME FOR THEM.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UM, HAVE LESS ITEMS SENT TO THE LANDFILL, ALLOW PEOPLE TO ENJOY FUTURE USE OF, OF ITEMS THAT THE PEOPLE, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE PREVIOUSLY ENJOYED.
UM, NOW WITH, WITH, UH, THE PROLIFERATION OF, OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT PERHAPS PROVIDE FOR MORE OF LIKE A MICRO RETAILING, UH, ATMOSPHERE, UH, AS WE'VE HELD THAT EVENT, MOST RECENTLY, WE'VE STARTED TO HAVE SOME PARTICIPANTS REALLY KIND OF USE IT A LITTLE BIT AS A, AS A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY, SELLING NEW MERCHANDISE.
SO SOMEWHAT GETTING BEYOND THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE EVENTS, PROBABLY NOT A, UH, A CRITICAL ISSUE, BUT IT'S THERE.
UM, WE DO FREQUENTLY GET INTEREST OR NON-RESIDENT VENDORS.
SO THAT COMES UP AT TIMES, IT'S, IT IS AN EVENT THAT IS RESERVED FOR RESIDENTS.
SO, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF FACES AS WELL.
I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT COMES INTO PLAY, ESPECIALLY NOW, AND WITH THE PANDEMIC, UH, PEOPLE HAVE, HAVE GROWN MORE ACCUSTOMED TO DOING THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE TRADITIONALLY DUMPED YOUR GARAGE SALES, UH, MORE, UH, ONLINE.
SO I THINK WE'RE, MOST OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH THINGS LIKE FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE, UM, THERE'S OTHER, UH, UH, WEBSITES AND PLATFORMS THAT YOU CAN USE TO, TO SWAP AND TRADE GOOD.
SO THOSE ARE BECOMING POPULAR AND POTENTIALLY, UH, LIMITING THE, THE, UM, INTEREST IN AN EVENT LIKE THIS.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALSO, UM, KIND OF PLAYS INTO THIS EVENT AND, AND IT'S YOU NEED IS, IS I DO THINK THERE'S PERHAPS A PERCEPTION, UM, IN ADDISON WITH REGARDS TO WHETHER GARAGE SALES ARE EVEN ALLOWED.
UM, WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS THINGS LIKE SIGNAGE AND ON-STREET PARKING.
UM, OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES IS SILENT ON GARAGE SALES.
UM, WE DO HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON WHERE ONE CAN PLACE A GARAGE SALE SIGN.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN PUT ONE IN YOUR YARD, BUT YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T, OR YOU CAN'T PUT ONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR BLOCK OR IN A MEDIAN AT THE NEAREST MAJOR ROADWAY.
SO THAT PERHAPS LIMITS THE ARRANGE OF, UH, AND APPEAL TO HAVING A GARAGE SALE AT THE, YOUR HOUSE.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER WITH, WITH THIS, UH, GARAGE SALE AND, UH, BUDGETING CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL.
ALSO ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S MANY SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE THAT AREN'T COVERED AS FAR AS, UH, UH, REVENUE GENERATED BY THE EVENT, BUT THIS EVENT, UM, WE DO HAVE A SMALL REGISTRATION FEE, BUT IT DOES NOT COVER THE $16,000 PER
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BAG THAT WE DO, UH, COMMIT TO THE EVENT.SO WITH, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE FIRST OF FOUR OPTIONS AND THIS OPTION NUMBER ONE IS, UM, REALLY TO CONTINUE THE SERVICE AS IT'S PROVIDED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, TWO EVENTS PER YEAR, ONE IN THE SPRING, ONE IN THE FALL MANAGE MY BY MY DEPARTMENT AND FUNDED THROUGH OUR BUDGET.
AND INSTEAD OF USING, UH, ADDISON, UH, TOWN CENTER, UH, IT WOULD MOVE TO TOWN PROPERTY.
SO, UH, OUR BEST OPTION AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS WOULD BE, UH, THE TOWN OWNED PROPERTY, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF ADDISON CIRCLE PARK.
THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL CONFLICTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE AND WORK AROUND.
ONE OF THOSE IS THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION OF THE DART STATION AND THE OTHER, WHICH IS PROBABLY MORE OF A CONSIDERATION IN FUTURE YEARS IS, IS A FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA, UH, AS PART OF THE, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT VISION.
UM, THIS, UM, UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE COULD PAIR WITH ANOTHER EVENT THAT MY, UH, DEPARTMENT, UH, FACILITATES WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM AND THAT'S OUR, UH, SUSTAINABILITY DAY EVENT.
SO THAT EVENT IS, UH, SOMETHING WHERE WE PROVIDE RESIDENTS OPPORTUNITY TO RECYCLE, UH, PAPER.
UH, SO WE BRING ON A SHREDDER ONSITE, SO FREE OF COST, AND THEN ALSO, UH, RECYCLING, UH, FOR DROP-OFF OF ELECTRONIC DEVICES ONCE AGAIN, FREE OF COST.
AND, UH, UH, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IN, IN RECENT MONTHS THAT ACTUALLY DOES PRODUCE A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE FOR THE TOWN, WHICH, UH, WE HAVE, UM, BEEN DONATING TO, UH, METRO CREST SERVICES.
UH, SO A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR THAT RECYCLING OF EVENT.
UH, THE SECOND OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION IS REALLY, UH, AIMED AT TRANSITIONING THE TOWN TO, UH, MORE OF A PROMOTIONAL ROLE FOR A WIDE GARAGE SALE EVENT THAT COULD REALLY, UH, BE INTENDED TO OCCUR AT, UH, UH, ONE'S OWN PROPERTY.
UH, SO AS I STATED EARLIER, WE DO ALLOW GARAGE SALES ON, ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UH, SO, UH, WITH THAT, INSTEAD OF HAVING A GARAGE SALE THAT CENTRALIZED THE TOWN'S ROLE IN THIS OPTION WOULD REALLY BE MORE PROMOTIONAL.
SO THINGS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT IS, UH, HAVING, UM, MY TEAM WORKED WITH OUR MARKETING STAFF TO CREATE A, UH, TOWN GARAGE SALE MAP.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO AND HOST ON THE WEBSITE.
WE COULD PROVIDE A GUIDE, UH, THAT WE COULD, UH, POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND, UH, USE THAT, UH, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, PROVIDE THAT NEEDED PUBLICITY FOR A GARAGE SALE THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY, UH, BEING ACHIEVED THROUGH THE PLACEMENT OF A 30 SQUARE FOOT SIGN AND IN ONE'S FRONT YARD.
UM, ANOTHER THING WE COULD CONSIDER WITH THAT IS, UH, THAT'S, UH, UH, SIGNAGE AND OTHER MARKETING ACTIVITIES.
UH, THE THIRD OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION IS MOVING TO A MORE, UH, TECHNOLOGY-BASED APPROACH.
UH, SO I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, MORE, UM, FOR THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, TO ADDRESS VIA THEIR MEMBERSHIP, UH, ON, UH, FACEBOOK, UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO A DEDICATED WEBSITES.
UH, ONE EXAMPLE THAT I PRESENT HERE IS CALLED A VARAGE SALE.COM.
SO ON THAT WEBSITE, THERE IS ACTUALLY, UH, LINKS TO VARIOUS COMMUNITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE WEBSITE.
SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE MCKINNEY COULD HAVE ITS OWN WEBSITE, FRISCO AND ADDISON.
WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A PRESENCE ON THIS WEBSITE, UH, BUT, UH, IT, UH, COULD BE AN OPTION FOR US TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THE TOWN DOES HAVE A WEBSITE AS WELL.
UH, WE HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, CHANNELS THAT WE COULD ALSO LOOK INTO BUILDING SOMETHING, UH, MORE IN-HOUSE TO SUPPORT, UH, PEOPLE THAT, UH, RESIDENTS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING VIRTUAL GARAGE SALE ACTIVITIES.
UH, THE FOURTH AND FINAL OPTION, UH, IS A MORE PASSIVE APPROACH.
AND THAT'S REALLY TO, TO DISENGAGE FROM HOSTING A GARAGE SALE AND EVEN GETTING AWAY FROM, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE MORE PROMOTIONAL AND FACILITATION BASED.
AND, AND THIS WOULD REALLY BE AIMED AT MORE, UM, UH, PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION ON THE WEDDING.
OUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THAT GARAGE SALES ARE, UH, LEGAL ACTIVITIES AND ADDISON, THERE IS NO NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE SIGNAGE
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CONSIDERATIONS AND PARKING ARE REALLY THE, PROBABLY THE LIMITING FACTOR ON GARAGE SALES.IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO TAKE APPROACH LIKE THIS, AND PERHAPS LOOK AT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO BETTER ADDRESS AND SUPPORT GROSSE ELEMENTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PURSUE AS WELL.
SO WITH THE FOUR OPTIONS, UH, THERE CERTAINLY ARE PROS AND CONS TO EACH VERY BRIEFLY WITH OPTION ONE, REALLY THE BUSINESS AS USUAL OPTION, UH, THAT ALLOWS US TO MAINTAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDED PAST.
THAT'S CERTAINLY ALWAYS A POSITIVE, UH, AND, UH, THAT OPTION WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
UM, THE MAIN LIMITING FACTOR, AS I MENTIONED WITH THAT IS WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE TO, TO FACILITATE THAT EVENT, UH, OPTION TWO, UH, THAT'S, UH, TRANSITIONING TO A MORE PROMOTIONAL ROLE.
UM, I, I THINK THE BENEFIT TO THAT IS IT REALLY ALLOWS, UM, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE MOST INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN A GARAGE SALE.
UM, IT ALLOWS THEM TO HOST IT, UM, UH, AT THEIR RESIDENTS AND, AND IT DOESN'T PUT THE BURDEN FUNDING, UH, THAT EVENT ON, UH, THE, UH, ALL RESIDENTS OF ADDISON ON ALL BUSINESSES, ADDISON.
SO IT'S A LOWER COST APPROACH.
THERE ARE SOME COSTS IN DOING THAT MARKETING, BUT, UH, MUCH LESS THAN GRANTING THE 10TH AND THE OTHER EQUIPMENT AND STAFFING IT, UH, OVER THE WEEKEND.
UM, THE CONDOR THAT CERTAINLY WHEN YOU GO FROM HAVING, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS CONCENTRATED AT ONE LOCATION TO SOMETHING THAT'S DISPERSED ACROSS THE COMMUNITY, IT MAY NOT HAVE NECESSARILY THE DRAW THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WITH THE MUCH LARGER ABOUT, UM, FOR OPTION THREE.
UH, THAT IS ONCE AGAIN, APPLYING, UH, TECHNOLOGICAL APPROACHES SUCH AS APPS AND WEBSITES TO SUPPORT VIRTUAL SALES.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE GARAGE SALE MARKET IS GOING.
UH, BEING ABLE TO DO THAT VIA FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE OR A WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN COORDINATE, UH, AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE A FULL GARAGE SALE, BUT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST SELL ONE ITEM OR A SERIES OF ITEMS. UH, THE BIGGEST BENEFIT TO THAT CERTAINLY, UH, BUT THE CON TO THAT IS THAT, UM, IT TAKES, IT LARGELY TAKES THE, THE TALENT OUT OF IT.
SO IF THERE IS INTEREST IN DESIRE TO HAVE MORE OVERSIGHT OVER GARAGE SALE FUNCTIONS IN ADDISON, UM, THIS MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPROACH.
AND THEN, UH, THAT FOURTH AND FINAL OPTION, UM, THE, THE BIG BENEFIT TO THAT IS IT ALLOWS RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING A GARAGE SALE TO, TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN TIME AND AT THEIR PROPERTY.
AND IT TAKES THE TOWN OUT OF THAT ACTIVITY.
UM, BUT THEN, UH, THE CON IT IS REMOVING A SERVICE THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR DECADES.
SO THOSE ARE JUST A SERIES OF OPTIONS.
ONE OF THESE OPTIONS MAY NOT BE BEST.
IT COULD BE A SERIES OF OPTIONS, OR THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T LISTED HERE, BUT, UH, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER FOR THIS SERVICE MOVING FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'D WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, ON THE FUTURE OF THE GARAGE SALE, I'LL START, UM, I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S A SOLAR LIKE OUR, ON THE TRASH PICKUP.
I THINK EVERY PEOPLE WOULD ADDISON EXPECT THAT.
I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THEY BUY ANNUALLY.
THERE'S SOME, ONE THING I DIDN'T SEE THAT YOU DIDN'T TOUCH ON UP HERE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME PEOPLE AND I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, WHEN I'VE PURCHASED STUFF WHERE PEOPLE ARE MORE OTHER, LIKE STRANGERS AT THEIR HOUSE AND THEY FEEL THERE'S SOME EXPOSURE THERE.
THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME RISK THERE WITH PEOPLE COMING TO THEIR HOUSE TO BUY STUFF.
AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG THING FOR US TO HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT LOCAL PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I NOTICE IS GARAGE SALES ARE ALMOST LIKE A COMMUNITY EVENT.
IT'S LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER AND WE GOT OUR ATHLETIC CENTER, YOU KNOW, BUT PEOPLE COME AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE A BIG PARTY MONTH.
THEY SEE YOUR NEIGHBORS AND YOU SEE THEM TWICE A YEAR FROM OTHER PARTS OF TOWN.
AND I JUST, I LIKE IT THE WAY IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE FACILITY ANYMORE.
I SAW THAT THE OPTION ABOUT DOING THE OTHER BY THE FAIRGROUNDS, COULD WE NOT CLOSE A FESTIVAL WAY AND PUT IT UP ON THE PAVING IT'S PAINTED ON THE 10TH AND JUST HAVING, INSTEAD OF I COULD MY CONCERN AND PUTTING IT ON THAT GRASS FIELD OVER THERE, BECAUSE IF IT RAINS, IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND MAYBE JUST A LONGER NARROWER KIND OF ATTEMPT THAT JUST SPANS THE PARKING AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE TABLES PARKING THE 24 FOOT DRIVE AISLE AND JUST CLOSE OFF THE STREET.
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SO THAT WAS MY TUESDAY, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL KENT FOR THE COMMENTS, THE GARAGE SALE IS, YOU KNOW, CITY BULL, LIKE PEOPLE GOING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, UH, IT WILL CREATE A SECURITY POPPY SAFETY PIECES, BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME IT WAS SHUTTING, THE GARAGE SALES ARE COMING FROM ALL OVER.SO THAT'S THE REASON WE'VE STARTED TO HAVE THAT FOR PAST, PROBABLY 20 YEARS.
AND IT BASICALLY, AS FAR AS I KNOW, TIM HASTINGS HAS BEEN THE PERSON ALWAYS IN CHARGE OF THAT.
UH, BUT WITH THE COST CITY, $600,000 FOR PEOPLE I'VE NOTED, SOME OF THEM SELL BRAND NEW STUFF.
NO, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT.
IT'S NOT LIKE MY WHOLE CLOTHES AND ALL THE SHIRT OR SUIT, YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT IT ALL OVER.
LIKE I PARTICIPATED IN MANY TIMES WITH MY KIDS, AS IT BROUGHT UP ALL THOSE COES OR SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO USE ANYMORE CONDITIONS STILL PRETTY WELL SET ON CHIP CHIP.
I'LL ALWAYS WONDER SOME PEOPLE JUST BROUGHT A BRAND NEW STAFF TO SELL IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATELY.
NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY WE COME, WE JUST CHARGE $20 PER BOOTH, RIGHT? EIGHT, SIX FOOT LONG TABLE, ROUND TABLE, $20 GIVEN HUNDRED 20 TABLE, MAYBE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU THINK EACH TABLE, THEY CAN SELL 100, 200, 300, THE TOTAL SALES GENERATED FROM ALL THE PEOPLE NOW, EVEN NEARLY $16,000.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU JUST REVIEW IT, WHETHER IT'S WHAT, WHILE WE JUST, JUST LET'S GET ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S WORLDWIDE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S LAZY, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
AND I, I, I, UM, I'VE ATTENDED THE GARAGE SALE.
HOW, W HOW, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF SLOTS, UH, OPEN TO PARTICIPANTS TOTAL? I BELIEVE IT'S 60 TO 80 I'VE I'VE YET TO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NEW THAT DOWN.
I'VE YET TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE GARAGE SALE, BUT DOES, YEAH.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, A COUPLE OF, I, I REALLY DUG INTO THIS AND, UM, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THE LINK THAT YOU PROVIDED, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY OBSERVATIONS ARE ABOUT THAT.
BUT I DID NOTICE, UH, THE GARAGE SALE, LIKE MAYOR MENTIONED PEOPLE SELLING CRAFTS AND NEW ITEMS, AND KIND OF LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE SPIRIT OF THE EVENT IS A LITTLE, LITTLE TOPSY-TURVY AND IT MADE IT TO WHERE I REALLY WASN'T THAT INTERESTED IN GOING AS MUCH, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS TRULY A GARAGE SALE.
LIKE, I, WHAT I WANTED IS TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WEARS MY SAME SIZE AND SHE'S UPGRADING HER WHOLE CLOSET OR SOMETHING, BUT, UM, NEITHER HERE OR THERE.
UM, MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, TO DISENGAGE FROM THE GARAGE SALE FACILITATION ALTOGETHER.
AND THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT TOM TALKED ABOUT IS IT'S BEEN AN ABSENT TRADITION WHEN YOU ATTEND.
THERE'S THERE'S, I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW, BUT THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, I THINK LIKE FACE PAINTING AND THE FIRE WHERE SOMETIMES THE FIRE TRUCK WILL COME AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A TRADITION AND IT'S FUN.
YOU DO FIND A FEW THINGS AND SEE NEIGHBORS AND TALK TO NEIGHBORS.
BUT I WANTED TO, UH, MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE WHOLE WEB THING, BECAUSE I'M A GARAGE SALE GO OVER.
THERE'S A, THERE'S AN APP THAT I'VE USED WHEN I MOVED HERE BECAUSE DALLAS WAS SO BIG AND IT'S CALLED G SANDLER.COM.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE MISTAKES THAT PEOPLE MAKE WHEN THEY APPROACH THE MARKETPLACE ONLINE IS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.
AND THERE ARE DANGERS THAT LURK I'VE EXPERIENCED PERSONALLY, SOME SCARY SITUATIONS WHERE I WAS SELLING SOMETHING ONLINE, AND THERE WERE SOME KIND OF QUESTIONABLE CALLS.
SO WHEN I STARTED DOING WAS HAVING THE BUYER MEET ME AT THE POLICE STATION, THERE WAS A SAFE SPOT OVER THERE.
AND THE GUYS THAT WERE HOCUS POCUS, NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING, DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW UP, OR THEY WOULD LAUGH WHEN I WOULD TELL THEM THAT'S WHAT THE MEETUP, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING PLACES.
AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S ACTUALLY, IT IS AT THE POLICE STATION.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE
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A PROBLEM WITH US.SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO LEVERAGE THE TECHNOLOGY TOOL.
AND WHEN I WENT TO THE LENGTH THAT YOU PROVIDED, THE ONES THAT WERE IN THE DALLAS AREA, THE RICHARDSON THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE, WHEN YOU CLICK ON THOSE LINKS, THOSE WERE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE REGION ASSIGNED TO THE LINK.
WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S JUST THIS MISHMASH OF ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEY'RE BUYING SOMETHING, THEY MAY BE RESELLING IT ON ANOTHER WEBSITE.
THERE'S A LOT OF JOCKEYING THAT GOES ON AND LAYERS OF SELLING AND THEN ON E-BAY AND YOU GOT ALL THIS CRAZY STUFF GOING ON.
SO KIND OF WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS WE MAY NOT HAVE THE LAND AVAILABLE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW DID USING THE SAME CAPACITY.
WHAT IF WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING SOMETHING WHERE WE AT LEAST DID IT FOR, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COUPLE OF TIMES OR ANOTHER YEAR, AND WE START TO TRANSITION AND BUILD AWAY FROM THE TRADITIONAL WAY THAT WE'RE DOING IT.
AND WE BUILD MAYBE LIKE A PRIMER OR SOMETHING ON THE TOWN WEBSITE THAT SAYS HERE'S HOW YOU LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY TO HAVE A BETTER LARGE SALE.
UM, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK HE WAS SPENDING $16,000 FOR SOMETHING THAT IS, IS, IS, IS NOT AS GOOD DEGRADING AND THE QUALITY OF THE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY HAS EVOLVED.
UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING IT ON FESTIVAL WAY THOUGH.
AND AT LEAST GIVING RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER RUN AT IT, LET'S TRY IT.
LET'S MAYBE LET'S TRY TO SCREAM THE APPLICANTS IN A DIFFERENT WAY, MAYBE HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
CAUSE THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE BOOTHS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE BRINGING THE SAME NEW STUFF BACK.
THAT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT THE QUALITY OF WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SPEND YOUR TIME TO GO TO BUY AT A GARAGE SALE IN HIS HANDS.
I THINK THE LOCATION IN THE ADDISON CIRCLE IS BETTER BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTEN A WALKERS, YOU'VE GOTTEN A RESIDENCE AROUND THERE THAT WOULD BE POTENTIAL BUYERS VERSUS A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT.
UM, AND IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD MAYBE DO IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR WHILE WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO MORE OF A PROMOTIONAL ROLE AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILD, BUILD THAT OUT SO THAT WE CAN HELP PEOPLE STAY SAFE WHILE THEY'RE DOING THE ONLINE THING AND, AND BUILD IT AS WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF DISCONNECTING FROM IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LANDING WITH IT, BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THINKS.
UH, I THINK THOSE WOULD BE IDEAS.
UH, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, I THOUGHT OPTION ONE WAS, IT WAS ONE OF THE BED WITH THE BETTER OPTION.
I LIKE IT BECAUSE HE DOES CONTINUE ON PAST COMMUNITY GARAGE SALES PRACTICES, OPTION FOUR.
I RULED THAT OUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO DISENGAGE FROM GARAGE SALES COMPLETELY.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE AT THAT WHERE WE CAN EMBRACE THE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT SEEMS TO ME, LIKE WE'RE NOT IN, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF GARAGE SALES.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TAKING THE REINS OF THAT, BUT I DO LIKE HAVING SOME EMOTIONAL ROLE IN IT.
AND I DO LIKE HAVING SOME CONTROL IN THERE SO THAT WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING DURING THESE PARTICULAR EVENTS AND MEASURE THEM AND GET A GRASP OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SINCE WE'VE HAD THE VOICE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING AND THERE ARE CHALLENGES, THERE ARE REAL CHALLENGES THAT INVITING PEOPLE, UM, FROM, FROM THE METRO PLUGS INTO OUR, INTO OUR RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S CHALLENGE.
SO MY 2 CENTS, SO GQ PREFERRING OPTIONS, I PREFER OPTION A FOR A LIMITED, LIMITED TIME SAY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FROM HERE ON OUT.
I'D LIKE TO EVALUATE IT AND THEN COME BACK TO US.
IF IN FACT WE DIDN'T GO DOWN MORE.
AND ONE, ONE THING TO MAYBE CONSIDER WITH THAT OPTION ONE, EVEN MINE, THIS HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN A TWICE A YEAR EVENT.
IT, IF THERE'S STILL DEMAND FOR THE SERVICE, PERHAPS ONCE A YEAR, MAYBE APPROPRIATE AS, AS A, AS A, UH, PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY QUITE AS HIGH AS, AS WE HAVEN'T LEFT.
THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO, UM, TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT GQ JUST SAID, POST COVID, YOU KNOW, NEW TECHNOLOGY ERA.
MAYBE WE DO NEED TO APPROACH THIS AS A KIND OF A RE-ANALYSIS OF WHERE WE ARE.
UH, THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS THE POSSIBILITY
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OF USING VOLUNTEERS MORE SO THAN TOWN STAFF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO JUST BRING DOWN THE COST A LITTLE BIT OF THE HOMETOWN SIDE.UM, I THINK THAT ONE OF THEM, MAN COST IS THE BIG TENT.
THE BIG TENT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
SO ALSO RENTAL OF THE TABLE CHAIRS.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO IT, IF THEY CAN PUT IT LITERALLY 10 THEMSELVES PORTABLE WINE AND BRING THEIR OWN TABLE AND REALLY THE ONLY CHAIR.
SO THEN WE CAN SAVE ALL THOSE COSTS.
WE CAN ALSO, UH, IF THIS IS A COMMUNITY EVENT, WE CAN STILL SEND OUT A 5, 5, 5 ENGINE THERE TO SHOW DISPLAY THERE.
AND THEN ALSO WE CAN STILL HAVE THE CHOPS COLLECT ALL THE ELECTRONIC STUFF.
SO I REMEMBER IT BEFORE AND USE COMPUTERS OR AUDIO VIDEO EQUIPMENT.
PEOPLE CAN DROP OFF ON OLD STYLE.
SO I SAID, THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD WAY TO IT'S A GARAGE SALE.
SO THE THING IS IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY SPEND A $16,000 FOR PEOPLE ANALOGY, BUT MAKING $6,000 OUT OF A HUNDRED HUNDRED TABLE, HOW DO WE MOVE? SO IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY.
SO IF WE WANT TO DO IT, DO AT A FESTIVAL WAY ON THE, ON THE POCKET, ON THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN EVERYBODY CAN BRING HIS OWN FOLDING TABLE AND CHAIRS.
AND THEN, UH, THEN THEIR OWN POT OF ALL 10.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S HOW WE COULD GO OUT TO SEA.
ALSO, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T BRING BRAND NEW MERCHANDISE.
IT THERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ETHICAL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GARAGE SALE GARAGE SALE IS SOMETHING STILL USABLE, AND THEN YOU DON'T NEED IT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING, OH, I GO GET IT.
YOU KNOW, 200 DAYS IS FOR HUNGRY HEADS, BRAND NEW TO SELL OVER THERE.
THEN IT'S NOT A, DO I SAY, SO HOW DID YOU TAKE YOUR AT THE END WHEN IT'S OVER? HOW DO THE PARTICIPANTS? SO I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE A TRUCK OR SOMETHING AND YOU BRING ALL YOUR STUFF.
DON'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION WHEN IT'S OVER.
IF YOU'VE PARTICIPATED IN, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH ALL YOUR STUFF? DOES HE DOES IT? YEAH.
SO METRO CREST, SOCIAL SERVICES USUALLY HAS A TRUCK THERE AND THEY'LL DONATE IT TO THEM.
SO THEY BENEFIT FROM IT IN THE END, WE CAN HAUL IT BACK, TAKE IT BACKWARDS OR WHATEVER.
I LIKE THE, I STILL LIKE THAT IDEA.
I THINK THAT, I THINK WE JUST HAD A TENT ON THE TABLES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TAILGATE PARTY YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO, BUT TRUST ME, IF YOU JUST LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN, EVERYBODY BRINGS THEIR OWN STUFF AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FIASCO BECAUSE SOMEBODY WILL HAVE, I WANT 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
I LIKE THE TABLES ARE EIGHT FOOT LONG.
THAT'S CONTROLLING THE TABLES.
ISN'T THAT? UM, SO I AGREE WITH LORI AND GQ, LET'S GO WITH OPTION ONE FOR THIS YEAR, MAYBE.
AND MAYBE IT'S A MORE SENIOR THING AND LET'S STUDY SOME MORE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
I THINK JOE'S GOT A GOOD POINT.
IF YOU KNOW YOUR FRIEND AROUND THE TABLE, GET YOUR RIDE, TOM, HOW DO YOU KEEP THEM IN THEIR SIZE? SO I THINK, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO THIS BIG TRANSITION.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT SOME MARBLE WHERE RESIDENTS WHO LIKED GARAGE SALE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS VIRTUAL, STEPPING OUT ON A MEETING SOMEWHERE TO HAVE SOMEBODY GET THINGS FROM THEM.
AND I KNOW IT COSTS $16,000, BUT IT'S SAFE.
AND THAT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE LIVING IN ABSENT BECAUSE IT'S SAFE.
SO MY MIND, I HATE THAT WE'RE SPENDING THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
UM, HOW MUCH MONEY WAS THERE FROM THE RECYCLING EVENT? UH, I DO, UH, THE FIRST CHECK I'VE PRESENTED THE 1600 ISH.
SECOND WHILE WE JUST PRESENTED THREE WEEKS AGO, WE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT $3,000.
IT WAS DONATED TO METRO PRESS, BUT IF WE KEPT THAT MANY OFFSETS A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE TENANT AND THEY ARE GETTING THE BENEFIT OF WHATEVER IT IS SELL.
SO I JUST THINK WE NEED THE TENT AND IT USED TO BE SAFE FOR RESIDENTS.
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER OPTIONS AS YOU KNOW WHAT I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT NEED TO ADD CHAIRS.
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YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAND UP, SELL, SELL,WE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR POLICY.
SO WE NEED TO STAY ON BIT, BUT, UH, FIND A WAY TO SAVE SOME COSTS BECAUSE YOU'LL SPEND $16,000 TO HELP THEM JUST MAKE A HUNDRED MAXIMUM 200 BUCKS.
SO KNOW, JUST LET ME, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD IS WHEN I SEE GARAGE SALES OUT OF HOME ENACT, UM, WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS THAT THERE'S ABOUT A DOZEN DIRECTIONAL.
WHAT I CALL DIRECTIONAL GARAGE SET OF SIGNS, AND THEY'RE MADE OF CARDBOARD OR PAPER, WHATEVER ANYBODY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON AND, UH, THEY MAY MATCH, OR THEY MAY NOT.
AND THEY GO OUT, UM, FRIDAY NIGHT OR SATURDAY MORNING AND THEY GO OUT ILLEGALLY AND SOME OF THEM GET PULLED UP ILLEGALLY BY RESIDENTS WHO JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT ALL OVER THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IN SOME OF THEM STAY OUT ALL WEEKEND UNTIL CODE PICKS THEM UP.
AND YOU, WHEN YOU TUESDAY AT LATEST, UM, AND I'VE SEEN THEM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE.
I KNOW, I KNOW YOUR DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE APP IS, IS SEEN A LOT OF THESE REPORTED.
UM, AND, AND THEN YOU GET VISITORS COMING IN AND, AND THEY'RE PARKING WHEREVER THEY CAN PARK.
AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OUR STREETS DON'T ALLOW FOR STREET PARKING MIGHT.
UM, WE'VE GOT DESIGNATED PLACES, BUT WE'VE ALSO GOT FIRE LANE, WHICH NOBODY REALLY SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT WHEN IT'S FOR US AT THE TIME.
UM, AND WE GOT OUT OF THE SHOOT.
SO WE, WE SEE, UM, IN MY OPINION, A LOT OF THE MESS, AND THEN THAT'S ALSO VISITORS AND SECURITY ISSUES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO I, I WASN'T HERE WHEN WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE COMMUNITY GARAGE SALE AND, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK IT WAS TO CLEAN UP A LOT OF THIS MESS.
UM, AND I KNOW FROM TALKING TO A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, THEIR PERCEPTION IS ADDISON.
DOESN'T ALLOW THE ROCHDALE HOUSE.
WE HAVE A COMMUNITY GARAGE SALE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ENCOURAGE BECAUSE THEY WOULD TRY TO KEEP IT SAFE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THEIR PERCEPTION.
SO WHEN I THINK OF THE $16,000 PER EVENT, UM, UM, I'M THINKING THAT THAT CLEANS UP A LOT OF MESS THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING THE BLADE WEEK-IN WEEK-OUT BECAUSE RESIDENTS, UH, HAVE KIND OF GOT THEIR MIND PROGRAM, THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO SELL SOME STUFF HERE, THEY DRIVE ITSELF, YOU DO IT AT THE BIG COMMUNITY EVENT.
AND, UH, SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, I'M OBVIOUSLY A FAN OF, OF OPTION ONE FOR THAT, THAT REASON.
AND I WOULD SAY FROM A TECHIE STANDPOINT, UM, FOLKS, FOLKS ARE USING FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE AND EBAY AND AMAZON AND YOU'RE AND THE ONES THAT ARE TECHIE ARE DOING THAT.
AND THEY'RE SELLING HIGHER PRICED ITEMS THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS GARAGE SALE STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S DONE THIS, BUT IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO LIST SOMETHING PROPERLY ON EBAY OR FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO IT.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT EVERYTHING OUT THERE ON ONLINE AND DO IT THAT WAY.
SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS, OBVIOUSLY OPTION ONE IS, IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE INSTINCT.
WELL, Y'ALL, I THINK WE OUGHT TO USE OPTION FOUR.
I THINK WE'RE NOT IN THE BROAD SHELF BUSINESS, MY EXPERIENCE IN THE COMMUNITY GARAGE SHEDDINGS THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A FLEA MARKET THAT YOU BROUGHT UP SALE.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A CRUMMY NEW MERCHANDISE TO PEOPLE WHO DO THIS FOR A LIVING.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ENFORCE THAT.
SO, UM, IT WASN'T A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE FOR ME.
UH, WE JUST HIRED A NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
SO IF WE HAVE ISSUES WITH SIGNS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, IN THEORY, WE HAVE MORE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH VIOLATIONS, RIGHT.
AND, UM, UH, MY EXPECTATION IN HIRING THE SAME CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SOME WEEKEND COVERAGE.
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THINK THERE'S THAT ISSUE.UH, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE SEEKING, UH, MISSING THIS GARAGE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT HEARING CLAMORING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS COMMUNITY GARAGE SALE THAT PEOPLE DO SEEM TO BE USING TECHNOLOGY.
UM, UH, I MEAN, EVEN PEOPLE WHO, UH, THAT I KNOW THAT AREN'T REALLY TECHIE, UM, SAFETY'S AN ISSUE, UM, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT THAT HARD TO MANAGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S OKAY TO SUNSET THINGS.
UM, I THINK NOT ONLY DOES IT $16,000, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, OPPORTUNITY COSTS, YOU KNOW, CANADA'S STAFF ARE PLANNING THIS AND ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT, THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT DOING OTHER THINGS, SO IT'S NOT UNDER $16,000.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I TELL WES ALL THE TIME, I SAID, I TRY NOT TO CALL YOU AND I TRY NOT TO PESTER YOU TOO MUCH.
CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, PETER LIKE MONEY AND I WANT YOU TO BE MAKING EXECUTIVE DECISIONS AND NOT HOLDING MY HAND.
I DON'T WANT KIN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME BUYING TENTS, WEANING TENANTS, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I WANT HIM TO BE, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE PAY HIM A GROUP'S OUT BEFORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE ROLE OF COUNSELORS CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ON OPTION ONE, THEN SO IT'D BE A BIT, I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
Y'ALL YOU KNOW WHAT IF I
ANYBODY WANTS TO COME, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GIVE THEM A LIST.
YOU CAN HAVE 180 FOOT LONG TABLE OR TWO AND PULLING OUR SHAPE OR, OR PARALLEL WENT FROM ONE BACK, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE AND THEN THEY CAN BRING THEIR, IF THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT READY, BRING THEIR OWN LITTLE PORTABLE.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY TO CONTINUE DOING THIS.
IT'S TIME TO CHANGE, BUT YOU COULD DO THAT ON THE POCKET DRIVEWAY.
YOU WON'T CREATE TOO MANY MUD IN CASE GRANTS.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE ON, SO IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO THAT, DO THAT CONTROL THEN.
WELL, THAT'S WHY YOU GOT A TENT.
I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, PAUL, BUT YOU KNOW, MY, MY EXPERIENCE IS PEOPLE DO THINK THAT THEY CAN'T EVER ON SALES AND ADDISON.
I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S NOT, WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT, THAT'S THEIR BELIEF.
AND THEY JUST SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY GARAGE SALE.
I'M GOING TO SELL SOMETHING OR WHERE THEY JUST THROW IT AWAY.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS, HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'LL BE, I GUARANTEE YOU EVERY WEEKEND ON SOMEBODY ON MY STREET, WE'LL PROBABLY BE HAVING ONE THAT MEANS EVERY WEEKEND, I'VE GOT TRAFFIC DRIVING THROUGH MY THING AND PARKING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND BLOCKING MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE IN OUR, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS, HAPPENS MAYBE ONCE A YEAR, BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE GO, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY GARAGE SALE AND PAY MY 15 BUCKS OR 20 BUCKS.
AND I'LL SELL ALL MY STUFF WHEN WE GOT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND IT'S AWAY FROM MY HOUSE AND SAFER.
SO I JUST, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A, TO ME IT'S A SAFETY THING AND IT'S LESS TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND TO MARLENE'S POINT, THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES YOU CAN'T DO IT.
YOU CAN'T TECHNICALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK IN THE STREETS.
AND YOU'RE SO, AND NO ONE PLACE YOU CAN PARK IN YOUR DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE BROAD SALES.
SO PEOPLE WALK IN AND CARRYING, THEY COULDN'T EVEN DO IT.
WE GET VERY LIMITED STREET PARKING AND THERE IS, YEAH, YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE A GARAGE SALE.
AND THE TRUE FORM OF THE WAY, YOU KNOW, HOMES THAT ARE SPACED OUT DIFFERENTLY AND SUCH.
BUT I JUST, I FEEL, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE JUST, WE KIND OF SUNSET THIS WITH, WE TAKE A YEAR AND WE ANALYZE IT.
I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE INTERESTED SHOULD ATTEND.
THEY SHOULD WATCH THE TRAFFIC AND WATCH THE PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VALUE IS.
TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARTICIPANTS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GET MORE INFORMATION.
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UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AND I CAN HAVE A GARAGE SELL VERY EASILY.I POSTING EVERYTHING THAT'S FOR SALE ONLINE AND HAVING A PICKUP TIME AND THEY CAN COME TO MY GARAGE AND PICK EVERYTHING UP IN ONE INSTANT.
AND IT'S EXTREMELY EASY TO DO.
UM, IT'S WE COULD PROVIDE INSTRUCTIONS AND YOU KNOW, IT IT'S VERY EASY TO DO, BUT I JUST, UM, I, WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, I DEFINITELY WAS ON NUMBER FOUR, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE GARAGE SALE BUSINESS? I UNDERSTAND IT'S A TRADITION THAT IS THIS TRADITION, YOU KNOW, COMING TO AN END BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO OBSERVE AND UNDERSTAND BETTER.
WHAT IS YOUR OPTION? MY OPTION IS TO JUST, JUST HAVE THE GARAGE SELL FOR ONE MORE YEAR AND SUNSET IT.
IF THAT'S THE THING THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL IS THAT OPTION ONE IS THE PREFERRED OPTION BY THE MAJORITY OF THE GROUP WITH A DESIRE TO BOOK YET HOW IT IS PHASED OUT AS WE LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF TECHNOLOGY AND GARAGE SALES, RIGHT.
AND HOW THAT, THAT KIND OF WORKED.
UM, AND THEN WE MAY CONSIDER AS WE'RE DOING THAT FACING, UH, PERIOD, UH, HOWEVER LONG IT LASTS THAT MAYBE IT'S THE GARAGE SALE IS A ONCE A YEAR TYPE OF THING.
WHERE DO YOU STILL HAVE, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE GARAGE SALE, THE RECYCLING EVENTS, SUSTAINABILITY, THE SUSTAINABILITY BASE IS THAT TO TWO TIMES A YEAR, TWICE A YEAR.
SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE THAT OPTION FOR PEOPLE THAT DO THAT KIND OF, UH, STUFF, BRING STUFF TO THE, UH, THE SERVICE LIKE WE HAVE.
UM, UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO OPTION ONE, I THINK IT IS, UH, IN KEEPING WITH THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE SET FOR OURSELVES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A NICE EXPERIENCE.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, WE WOULD DO THE TENTS AND THE TABLE AND NOT HAVE, UH, KIND OF, IF YOU REALLY WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A FREE MARKET, LET EVERYBODY BRING THEIR OWN STUFF AND SET IT UP.
SO, UM, BUT YOU, YOU MITIGATE SOME OF THAT COST IF YOU DO A ONCE A YEAR VERSUS TWICE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL.
AND, UM, WE CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
SO JUST BASED ON THAT, UH, I'LL HAVE MY TEAM PLAN TO EXECUTE THE EVENT IN THE SPRING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T DONE AS GOOD A JOB ON OVER THE YEARS, I THINK TO INFORM FUTURE CONSIDERATION OF THIS EVENT, WE SH WE SHOULD CAPTURE A LITTLE MORE DATA, UH, AS TO, UM, PARTICIPANTS WHAT'S GENERALLY BEING SOLD AND KEY OUTCOMES FROM THE EVENT, BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING YOU QUALITATIVE DETAIL, BUT, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE SOME MORE PRECISE DETAIL TO HELP YOU GET A BETTER FEEL FOR HOW THE EVENT, UH, IT'S IT'S CARRIED OUT EACH YEAR.
THE CHALLENGE TO REMEMBER IS WE'RE CHANGING THE LOCATION.
SO ANYTIME YOU CHANGE A LOCATION, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOU.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE OTHER LOCATION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ADVERTISED BECAUSE YOUR MUSCLE MEMORY JUST TAKES YOU DOWN TO THE
SO WE'LL MOVE THAT TO, UH, YEAH, IT'S NOT, BUT, UH, AGREE.
LET'S JUST TRY NEXT YEAR, NEXT SPRING, JUST MAYBE CONSIDER ONCE A YEAR, WE STILL DO THE 10 TABLE AND IT'LL BRING YOU ALL THE CHAIRS.
AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE A TRUE SUSTAINABILITY EVENT.
WE CAN COINCIDE ONE WITH THIS ONE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T WITH THAT.
WHEREAS I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION WHEN YOU SAY FACE OUT, HELPED ME WITH THAT.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS AND CONSIDER THE DATA AND HOW THINGS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, COULD TELL US IF ATTENDANCE BY PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY BRINGING THEIR STUFF, UH, AND, AND SELLING, AND THEY'RE DOING WHAT IS INTENDED BY THE EVENT, BUT THAT CONTINUES TO DECREASE.
THEN WE LOOK AT OTHER TECHNOLOGICAL OPTIONS OR WHATEVER TO HELP TRY TO, UH, COVER THAT AT SOME POINT, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT.
WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN, JUST SO THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE, WE'RE, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF DOING IN A VOID, OH, WAIT, DISCOURAGED PEOPLE BRING BRAND NEW MERCHANDISE.
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THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE.AND AS A GARAGE SALE NOW FITTING.
IT'S NOT FRUSTRATING, JUST THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, BUT ALSO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO, UH, WHO ACKNOWLEDGED, WHO EXPERIENCED THAT.
AND THEY COMPLAIN, WE HEAR THOSE COMPLAINTS, BUT REALLY THE EFFORT TO TRY TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING IS IT FAR OUTWEIGHS THE BENEFIT OF, SO YOU JUST, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE, WE PUT UP WITH, I HAD NEIGHBORS THAT DID IT, AND I REMEMBER THAT THEY THEY'VE MOVED SINCE, BUT THEY WERE APARTMENT RESIDENTS AND THEY HAD A BUNCH OF NEW STUFF THAT WAS IN THEIR COLLECTION OF STUFF THAT THEY JUST HAD NOT USED.
AND IT WAS IN THEIR GARAGE AND IT WAS IN BOXES AND IT WAS GENUINELY STUFF THAT THEY HAD AND THEY MADE LIKE $600.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE IT A GARAGE SALE.
IF THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT RESIDENTS MAY NOT BE AS EXCITED ABOUT THE GARAGE SALE.
IF WHEN WE MOVE, THE AUDIENCE GOES DOWN, JUST BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON AND THEIR INCOME AS A RESULT GOES DOWN.
SO WE JUST KIND OF HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE TO MY MIND, HOW'S THIS THING GONNA PLAY OUT? IS IT GOING TO, IS IT STILL GOING TO CONTINUE? AND IF IT DOES, WE'LL FIND A WAY, BUT YEAH.
AND THIS WILL BE LIMITED TO JUST ADDISON RESIDENCE, SEVEN CRIM THAT'S THE, THAT'S ALL THE PRICE, RIGHT? UH, WE HAVE A CONSENSUS, RIGHT? SO THIS IS NOT AN ACTUAL ITEM.
THEY WON'T BRING BACK FINAL DRAFT DAGGER.
CAN YOU, SO I WANT TO INVITE THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE SOME LOST.
UH, JUST ONE ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, FOR TONIGHT, UH, WE WILL BE HOSTING OUR FALL TOWN MEETING ON MONDAY, OCTOBER THE 18TH AT 7:00 PM.
UH, AND THAT WILL BE HELD AT THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL UPSTAIRS IN THE CRYSTAL BALLROOM.
AND WE HOPE AND INVITE THE COMMUNITY TO JOIN US THERE.
UH, WE WILL, UH, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE PER CDC GUIDELINES TO, UM, USE FACE COVERINGS.
UM, IF THEY'RE NOT FULLY VACCINATED, UH, IF YOU'RE VACCINATED, THEN, THEN THAT'S YOUR DISCRETION.
BUT, UH, WE WANT EVERYBODY TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN COMMENT AND PARTICIPATE SAFELY.
SO THAT IS MY ONLY, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THIS EVENING.
I THINK YOU PUT YOUR ATTENTION EXECUTIVE OFFICE.
ARE THERE ANYBODY ON THE PHONE WAITING FOR MAKE COMMENT, ANY WOUND YOU PRESENT, WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
[ Consent Agenda All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, CONSENT AGENDA.CONSIDERING
ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE THIS OR DO I HAVE MOTION SECOND MOTION BY TOM BRON.
AND THE SECOND BY FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
[4. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance to Amend the Town's Annual Budget for the Fiscal Year Ending September 30, 2021.]
I'D HAVE NUMBER FOUR, PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE TO AMANDA.THE TOWN'S ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30.
UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, STEVEN LITTMAN, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
AND BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE BUDGET.
UH, FOR THE FINAL TIME FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2021, A BUDGET, A BUDGET AMENDMENTS ARE A REGULAR AND A ACCEPTED PROCESS.
UM, THEY REPRESENT A FEW THINGS.
ONE OF THOSE BEING, UH, ACTIVE MONITORING AND MANAGEMENT OF FISCAL AFFAIRS, UH, THEY HELP MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF CHANGES IN CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THEY ARE TRANSPARENT TOWN'S BUDGET AMENDMENT POLICY, UH, OR THAT, EXCUSE ME, UH, TRANSFERS BETWEEN ACCOUNTS WITHIN A DEPARTMENT CAN BE APPROVED BY MYSELF.
THE, UH, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, UH, TRANSFERS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS OF LESS THAN 5%, UH, CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN TRANSFERS BETWEEN FUNDS AND MORE THAN 5% A CHANGE CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, VA, A FORMAL BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, UH, STARTING WITH THE GENERAL FUND, UH, THE EXPENDITURE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ONE.
THERE WAS, UM, UH, A ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UH, ON A, UH, NOT TO EXCEED BASIS PROVIDED TO METRO CREST SERVICES, UH, BY THE COUNCIL BACK IN, I BELIEVE JUNE, UH, THIS, UH, CAME TO THE AMOUNT OF $72,000.
SO THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE COUNCIL'S SPECIAL PROJECTS BUDGET.
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AND THERE WAS A PERSONNEL COST AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE OF $25,000.UH, THERE WAS A SLIGHT OVERAGE IN THE, UH, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.
THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT IS $5,000.
AND THEN, UH, ONE THING THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS WAS CREATING A FACILITY MAINTENANCE FUND.
UH, THIS, UH, INCLUDES A $500,000 TRANSFERRED IN TO CREATE THAT FACILITY MAINTENANCE FUND, UH, IN FISCAL YEAR 2021 FOR THE REVENUES.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE BUDGETED EXPENDITURES THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE BUDGET, AFRICA SKIER, 2022.
UH, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THAT ON SEPTEMBER 14TH.
ALL OF THESE EXPENDITURES ARE OFFSET BY INCREASED SALES TAX REVENUE IN THE AMOUNT OF $602,000.
SO THE NET IMPACT IN THE GENERAL FUND IS ZERO.
ADDITIONALLY IN THE GENERAL FUND, UH, THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER, UH, TO TRANSFER UNEXPENDED, UH, APPROPRIATIONS AND EXCESS REVENUE, UH, FROM THE GENERAL FUND, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 TO THE SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND.
UH, SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS INSTEAD OF, UH, BUDGETING, BUDGETING THIS, UH, WITHIN THE BUDGET, UH, WAITING UNTIL WE HAVE A SAVINGS FROM, OR ADDITIONAL REVENUE OR EXPENDITURE SAVINGS, UH, DETERMINING WHAT THOSE AMOUNTS ARE AND THEN FUNDING THE BEST SELF-FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND WITH THOSE SAVINGS.
UH, WE ANTICIPATED WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022, UH, HAD AN ESTIMATE THAT THIS AMOUNT WOULD BE AROUND $789,000.
SO, UM, WHEN WE KNOW WHAT THAT AMOUNT WILL BE, WHICH WILL BE AROUND NOVEMBER, WHEN WE'RE FINISHING UP THE FINANCIALS, UH, WE SHOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS, UH, AT, AT TIME.
AND I BELIEVE YOU'D BE ABLE TO LET COUNCIL KNOW WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS, UH, DURING OUR FOURTH QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021.
AND AS A REMINDER OF WHAT WE, I WOULD TYPICALLY DO IS TAKE A PORTION OF OUR FUND GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE IN EXCESS OF OUR GOAL OF 30%.
AND WE USE THAT TO CASH FUND PROJECTS.
WELL, THE RATING AGENCIES, THEY THINK WE'RE DOING GREAT, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE US.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO SEE US DRAW DOWN THE FUND BALANCE, EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE DOING RESPONSIBLE THINGS FOR IT.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING MONEY GO TO OUR FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS VERY HEALTHY RIGHT NOW AT ABOUT 49%, WE WILL JUST HAVE THOSE MONEY GO TO THE SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR, SO THAT WE'RE KEEPING OUR FUND BALANCE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, BUT MOVING SOME OF THE SAVINGS THAT WE WERE THAT WOULD HAVE DONE TO THE FUND BALANCE JUST TO THIS PLACE.
SO IT CAN BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF CASH FUNDING, UH, CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A REMINDER THAT COMES GREAT.
AND, UH, THE AIRPORT FUND, UH, FUEL FLOW HB REVENUE THAT HAS EXCEEDED THE BUDGET.
SO THERE'S A $250,000 INCREASE IN THAT REVENUE SOURCE.
AND THEN, UH, THE AIRPORT FUNDS CONTRIBUTION TO THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE FUND, UH, $250,000 IN THE UTILITY FUND, UH, THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE FUND SEED MONEY CONTRIBUTION, UH, $250,000 FOR THE UTILITY FUND, UH, AND ALSO THE UTILITY FUND, A REDUCTION IN WATER PURCHASES EXPENSES, $200,000 FOR A NET IMPACT OF $0.
AND THEN HERE, YOU SEE THE SERVICE FEES FROM THE GENERAL FUND AIRPORT FUND AND UTILITY FUND GOING INTO, UH, CREATE THAT FACILITY MAINTENANCE SPONSOR THE SERVICE FEES OF $1 BILLION FOR SEED MONEY TO CREATE THAT, THAT FUND, UH, WHICH WILL BE BEGIN BEING UTILIZED AT THIS YEAR 2022.
UH, THIS IS RELATED TO, UH, THE CARES GRANT.
UH, SOME OF THAT WAS RECEIVED IN FISCAL YEAR 2020.
UH, THIS IS THE PORTION THAT WAS RECEIVED IN FISCAL YEAR 2021.
UH, AND THAT AMOUNT OF $665,000, UH, IS OFFSET, UH, UH, FOR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES IS OFFSET BY THE REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UH, DALLAS COUNTY, UH, THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
UH, STEVEN IS THIS REGULAR RESCUE, AND THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.
SO THIS IS, UH, CARES ACT, CORRECT.
I THOUGHT WE RECEIVE ABOUT 897,000.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE CARRY BAG, BUT LIKE STEVEN SAID, WE RECEIVED SOME FISCAL YEAR 20, 20, AND SOME IN FISCAL YEAR 2021.
UH, FIRST, THE FIRST TIME WE RECEIVE 897,000 95 96.
SO THIS IS RECEIVED SECOND TIME.
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NO.NOW IN TOTAL WE RECEIVED $895,000.
SO WE RECEIVED, UM, BASICALLY WHAT WAS RECOGNIZED IN 2020 WAS AROUND $330,000.
WHAT WAS THE RECORD WAS BEING RECOGNIZED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR? SO THIS I'M SORRY, $230,000 AND THEN 665.
THEN, UM, WHEN WE GIVE AWAY TO RETAIL AND SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS AND EVEN HOTELS, THAT'S THE FRONT OF $337.
THAT'S ONE OF THE 895,000, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND THEN FOR THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, IF YOU RECALL BACK ON AUGUST 10TH, UH, COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE TO REFUND SOME PRIOR, UH, BOND ISSUANCES, UH, RELATED TO, UH, 2013, UH, GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.
UM, THIS IS THE PORTION THAT WAS RELATED TO, UH, THE, THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.
UH, AND ALL THIS IS, IS RECOGNIZING THAT THE NEW BOND PROCEEDS THAT WERE ISSUED, AND THEN WE TURN AROUND AND THOSE BOND PROCEEDS GO TO PAY OFF THOSE BONDS THAT WERE REFUNDED.
SO IT'S A SIMPLE RECOGNITION OF THAT TRANSACTION.
SO, UH, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THERE FROM THE BOND PROCEEDS 4 MILLION, $315,000 OFFSET BY THE EXPENSE, THE REFUNDING COST OF THOSE, UH, REFUNDING TRANSACTIONS AT THE SAME AMOUNT FOR 4 MILLION, $315,000.
UH, AND JUST A REMINDER THAT THAT TRANSACTION SAVED APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN TOTAL INTEREST SAVINGS, UH, OVER THE REMAINDER OF THE DEBT.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE BUDGET.
ANY QUESTION I'M GOING TO PUT QUICK QUESTION, STEVEN, ON THE REFUNDING OF THE BONDS.
I'M THINKING THAT THE EXPENSE WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS THAN THE BOND SINCE WE PAID THEM DOWN.
THE, THE EXPENSE WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS.
CAN YOU GO BACK WELL? SO THE EXPENSE IS ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE OVER THE LIFE OR THE SAVINGS RECOGNIZED OVER THE LIFE OF WHAT LIFE WOULD BE ISSUES.
SO THAT BISCUITS A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO MUCH OF AN, OF AN ACCOUNTANT.
UM, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WHAT WE HAVE THERE AS THE PROPERTY TAX COMING IN TO PAY, TO PAY OUR DEBT SERVICE.
WHEN WE DO A REFUND AND IT'S A TAX BACKED ISSUANCE, WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE BASICALLY THE PROCEEDS THAT ARE GOING TO THE ESCROW AGENT.
THAT'S BASICALLY GOLDEN THOSE IN ESCROW TO PAY OFF THOSE BONDS AS THEY, AS THEY COME DUE.
SO IT'S REALLY AN IN AND OUT TRANSACTION.
THIS DOESN'T REPRESENT THE SAVINGS PORTION OF THAT TRANSACTION.
DO I HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION SECOND FUNDS OR REWARD IN ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT? YOU SAY AYE.
[ EXECUTIVE SESSION Closed (Executive) Session of the Addison City Council pursuant to: Section 551.087, Texas Government Code, to discuss or deliberate regarding commercial or financial information that the City Council has received from a business prospect or business prospects that the City Council seeks to have locate, stay, or expand in or near the territory of the Town of Addison and with which the City Council is conducting economic development negotiations, and/or to deliberate the offer of a financial or other incentive to such business prospect or business prospects: Project Shop Project Gazelle Section 551.072, Tex. Gov. Code, to deliberate the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property, pertaining to: 4505 Claire Chenault 4485 Eddie Rickenbacker 4553 Jimmy Doolittle]
SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK TO EXECUTIVE SESSIONCOUNCIL IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION AND, OR DID THE BREWERY THAT HE OFFERED ALL THE FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO SUCH BUSINESS PROSPECT OR VISITS ACROSS BATS.
UH, NUMBER ONE IS PROJECT SHOP NUMBER TWO PROJECT.
THEN
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SO RIGHT NOW 8:31 PM TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.[ Reconvene in to Regular Session: In accordance with Texas Government Code, Chapter 551, the City Council will reconvene into Regular Session to consider action, if any, on matters discussed in Executive Session.]
NOW IS 10:19 PM.WE ARE EXITING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE FIRST TWO ITEMS AND THEN GO ACTION TAKEN, WHICH IS APOLOGETIC.
SHOP PROJECT ZAP FOR THE SECOND ITEM AND FULL FULL 5 0 5 CLINICIAN ON FULL FLOOR, 85, EDDIE RICKENBACKER, FIVE