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[ Call Meeting to Order Mayor Joe Chow - Addison City Council Eileen Resnik - Addison Planning & Zoning Commission]
TO ORDER THE CITY COUNCIL SIDE.WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR PLANNING.
SO, UH, MARLIN IS ON THE ROOM.
WE CAN SEE CANADA COMMITTED AS WELL, SO, HI.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S APPROVE THE MINUTES
[ Consent Agenda All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]
FOR LAST FIRST.SO YEAH, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING DO THAT.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING? EXCUSE ME, I SHOULDN'T CARRY ME.
AND TO CLARIFY, THESE MINUTES WERE ALREADY APPROVED BY THE CITY.
COUNCIL IS JUNE 13, WHICH YOU SEE THE JULY 13TH CITY COUNCIL.
[2. Present and Discuss the Draft Unified Development Code Development Standards Addressing Landscaping and Buffering, Fencing, Parkland Dedication Requirements and Park Development Fees, and Subdivision Regulations.]
TWO, PRESENT.DISCUSS THE DRASTIC UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS, ADDRESSING LANDSCAPING, OFFERING FENCING, POPULAR, THE DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS AND FEES AND STUFF WITH DBG RECOMMENDATIONS.
KEN, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO START OR SHOULD I JUMP RIGHT IN
UM, MR. MAYOR, UH, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS.
UH, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE TO FINISH OUR SUMMERTIME, UH, RUN THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE NEW CODE.
SO THIS IS OUR THIRD MEETING ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TOPIC.
UM, I'M GONNA JUST SHARE, I CAN RUN THE SLIDES HERE.
UH, NOW I'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE THE NUMBER OF TIMES NOW, BUT JUST TO REMIND YOU WHERE WE ARE FOR CONTEXT WITH THE OVERALL PROJECT, UH, WE'RE IN THE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRAFTING PHASE, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BROKEN THIS PHASE TWO DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS INTO THREE PARTS.
AND SO WE'RE AT THE THIRD MEETING OF THAT DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS PIECE THAT TOOK US THROUGH THE SUMMER, JUST AS A PREVIEW OF COMING ATTRACTIONS LATER THIS FALL, WE'RE GOING TO BE SWITCHING TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC, WHICH IS ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES.
SO HOW DID DECISIONS GET MADE UNDER ZONING CODE? WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING QUESTION? WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COUNCIL AND STAFF, AND SHOULD THOSE POTENTIAL DECISION POINTS BE RECONSIDERED? YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT BY SHIFTING SOME RESPONSIBILITIES AROUND, UM, WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA FOR MAKING DECISIONS? ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE COMING.
SO THAT WILL BE A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONVERSATION.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
THEN WE'LL HAVE THE PHASE FOUR, WHICH IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE THE REWRITE OF THE SIGNED WORK.
THAT'S, THAT'LL BE COMING INTO THE FIRST PART OF 2022 THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE IT'S ACTUALLY SLIDING SIGNS AND WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES.
SO THAT WILL BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.
THEN WE'LL PIVOT INTO DOING A CONSOLIDATED DRAFT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST PART OF 2022.
AND WE'LL QUICKLY GET THAT UP FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION AND MOVE INTO, UH, UH, SPRING OF 2022 IN THE SUMMER WHERE WE HAVE THE ADOPTION PROCESS AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AND YOU CAN STEP BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THESE MATERIALS AS THEY'RE PUT THROUGH TOGETHER.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A REMINDER, UM, CONVEYANCE IS UP AND WE HAVE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL FROM, FROM SEVERAL OF THE FOLKS AT THE TABLE.
UM, IT'S STILL UP, WE'VE GOT THE, ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAN SUBDIVISION STANDARDS FOR AWHILE.
ALSO THE DISTRICTS AND USES ARE GOING TO BE UP FOR AWHILE.
UH, WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION PIECE IS READY, WE'LL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU PROBABLY IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO, UM, JUST AS A REMINDER THOUGH, PLEASE DO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THOSE COMMENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UP THERE FOREVER.
ONCE WE GET TO THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFT PHASE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE DOWN AND REPLACE THEM WITH A CONSOLIDATE.
AND PERHAPS, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, NOW'S THE TIME TO MAKE THEM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT CONVEO OR ABOUT THE SCOPE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE SUBSTANCE? OKAY, GOOD.
IT'S WE'VE GOTTEN GOOD FEEDBACK ON IT.
IT SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY USER-FRIENDLY PLATFORM.
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SO THANK YOU ALL FOR USING IT.WE REALLY HAVE TWO BIG TOPICS.
THERE'S THREE BULLETS HERE, BUT IT'S REALLY TWO BIG TOPICS, LANDSCAPING, BUFFERING, AND FENCES, AND THEN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE SUBMISSION STANDARDS.
AND PART OF THAT IS THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AND PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE.
WE'VE BROKEN THAT OUT AS A THIRD BULLET BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY PART OF SUBDIVISION THAT I THINK REALLY RISES TO THE CONVERSATION LEVEL TONIGHT FOR YOU ALL.
BUT THESE ARE THE TWO TOPICS THAT WE HAVE.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A SHORTER MEETING THAN WE HAD LAST TIME THOUGH.
WE'RE VERY PATIENT WITH THIS LAST TIME.
WE WERE TWO PLUS HOURS, BUT I THINK THESE ARE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD TOPICS AND WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME KEY THINGS FOR YOU ALL TO FOCUS ON, BUT I THINK THEY'RE DISCREET AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY EFFICIENT AND STREAMLINED DISCUSSION.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE, BUT IT'S JUST A REMINDER TO BE THINKING ABOUT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THESE TOPICS, THESE KIND OF BIG PICTURE QUESTIONS FOR ALL THESE CO ALL THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TOPICS, HOW HAS THE ADDISON DONE? HOW HAVE WE BEEN DOING, UH, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING AND ENFORCING OUR LANDSCAPING WORK OVER THE PAST YEARS? ARE WE STILL AT THE FOREFRONT AND THE METROPLEX, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PLACE WHERE EDISON HAS SHINED LANDSCAPING IN PARTICULAR AND HOW ARE WE DOING TODAY? WHAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN ALWAYS THIS BALANCING ACT OF HOW DO WE STRIKE THE APPROPRIATE BALANCE BETWEEN ENSURING HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO REMAINING ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE.
THIS, THIS FOCUS ON LONG-TERM VALUE VERSUS IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, UH, COST IMPACTS OF A REGULATION.
THAT'S ALWAYS, UH, AN EQUATION, A BALANCING ACT.
THAT'S VERY MUCH IN THE MINDS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WE MEET WITH BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PRACTITIONERS AROUND THAT GROUP THAT DO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT, IS IT WORTH THE SHORT-TERM COST OF A NEW REGULATION TO BETTER RAISE THE BAR FOR THE FUTURE? SO JUST KEEP THOSE IN MIND.
SO LET'S MOVE INTO THE MAIN TOPIC, THE FIRST MAIN TOPIC LANDSCAPING.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF HARD STUFF, HARD PHYSICAL THINGS IN OUR PAST MEETINGS WITH OUR PARKING AND PAVEMENT AND AFRICANS AND ACCESS REQUIREMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, BUILDING DESIGN, THIS IS MUCH SOFTER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR A CODE GET A MUCH KIND OF SOFTER AND, UH, KIND OF SOOTHING PART OF DEVELOPMENT QUALITY, A PLACE THAT OFTENTIMES IS VERY UNIQUE TO A LOCAL CONDITION, YOU KNOW, LOCAL SOILS AND LOCAL CLIMATE AND THE LOCAL, UH, TREES AND TRUMPS THE PRIDE.
THIS IS A REAL PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT SHOULD BE TAILORED TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
IT SHOULD BE REALLY TAILORED TO THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THE APP, THE ADDISON PLACE AS WITH OUR PRIOR TOPICS.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH JUST SOME, SOME PICTURES JUST TO GET YOUR MIND THINKING ABOUT THIS PART OF AN ORDINANCE AND WHAT ORGANS CAN AND SHOULD DO ZONING, OR THIS IS OFTENTIMES REQUIRE MINIMUM AMOUNTS OF LANDSCAPE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN AN AMC MOVIE THEATER, YOU'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN SOME LANDSCAPING OF SOME AMOUNT ON THAT SITE.
YOU POTENTIALLY MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE THAT TREE.
YOU'RE DOING A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, THE SAME THING.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO SOME MINIMUM LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ALL HAVE HAD THESE IN PLACE FOR POINT WOW, PARKING AREAS.
THESE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, AREAS OF PAVEMENT THAT OFTEN NEED TO BE SOFTENED WITH TREE ISLANDS OR A LANDSCAPE BUFFERS IN SOME WAY.
AND SO THE PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING IS A KEY THING THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK AT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE IT'S WORKING EFFECTIVELY TREES, TREES, OR TREES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE TREES HAVE A LOT OF EMOTIONAL IMPACT TO PEOPLE.
SOMETIMES THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT.
UM, BUT THEY CAN BE VERY CONTROVERSIAL FROM TERM IN TERMS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU REQUIRE TREES TO BE PRESERVED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU TRY REQUIRE TREES THAT ARE LOST TO BE REPLACED AT WHAT SCALE WAS, THEY'RE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS.
YOU ALL HAVE HAD SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE YEARS, YOU'VE HAD TREE PROTECTION STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR AWHILE.
SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PIECE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS PART OF THE ORDINANCE ALSO GETS IT BUFFERING.
UM, I HAVE GREAT PICTURES TO CHOOSE FROM IN THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE A LOT OF GOOD LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING AND ADDISON, UM, BEFORE IT CAN BE USED TO HELP SHIELD A DEVELOPMENT FROM THE STREETS.
IT CAN BE USED TO HELP SHIELD, UH, DEVELOPMENTS FROM EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, INTENSIVE, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL USE FROM RESIDENTIAL USE BUFFERS, PLAY AN IMPORTANT PART AND KIND OF SOFTENING THE EDGES FENCE SCREENING AS PART OF THIS AS WELL.
A SCREENING CAN JUST BE A HARDER VERSION OF AN EDGE CONDITION, UH, SCREENING, UH, CAN BE TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, VIEWS OF THE LOADING AREA, UH, VIEWS OF THE TRASH COLLECTION FACILITY BEHIND THIS BOX HERE.
SCREENING CAN BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF JUST CONTROLLING THE AESTHETICS OF THE SITE AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY FENCES THAT'S PART OF THIS PIECE
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AS WELL.UM, BEYOND JUST SCREENING FENCES, YOU HAVE FENCES LIKE IN FRONT GARDENS, HOW TALL CAN THEY BE? WHAT ARE THEY ALLOWED MATERIALS FOR FENCES? CAN YOU USE CHAIN LINK, ALL THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS A VERY, VERY RICH PART OF AN ORDINANCE.
THERE'S A LOT OF CHARACTER DEFINING THINGS AT PLAY HERE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE AN ADDISON'S ORDINANCE.
SO THE DRAFT THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, AGAIN, THIS IS THE DRAFT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER LAST YEAR, INCLUDES A SUGGESTED NEW REORGANIZATION FOR THE LANDSCAPING SECTION OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THIS FIRST SLIDE IS JUST TO REMIND YOU ALL ABOUT, OR TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF HOW IT'S ORGANIZED.
THERE'S A GENERAL PURPOSE AND APPLICABILITY STATEMENT AS WE DO FOR ALL THE BANDS OFFICE.
THERE'S A SECTION ON LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION PLANS.
SO WHAT PHYSICALLY DOES AN APPLICANT HAVE TO DOCUMENT TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARDS IN THE CODE? UM, WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN OUR NEXT MEETING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADMINISTRATION, BUT FOR NOW WE'VE CAPTURED THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE NOW, HOW MUCH LANDSCAPING IS REQUIRED, WHAT ARE THE MINERALS, THAT'S THE NUMBERS.
AND THEN THIS GETS TO THE QUALITY.
IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN A TREE, IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN A SHRUNK, WHAT SIZE DOES IT HAVE TO BE, OR WHAT SPECIES ARE ALLOWED THAT'S, WHAT'S COVERED HERE.
AND IN GENERAL STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS, THERE'S A SECTIONAL TREES IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, UH, SHALL THEY BE PROTECTED OR ARE THEY REPLACED? AND WE'VE GOT SECTIONS ON BUFFERING SCREENING OFFENSES AND FINALLY INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE.
SO THAT'S HOW IT'S ORGANIZED GENERALLY.
WHAT, WHAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S INCLUDED HERE.
AND THIS IS SLIDE JUST TO BOIL IT DOWN.
FIRST OF ALL, WHEN IS LANDSCAPING REQUIRED, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHERE IS LANDSCAPING REQUIRED FOR WHEN IS LANDSCAPING VERY, FAIRLY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN ALSO REMEMBER WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THINGS THAT DON'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A NEW PROJECT, BUT REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING SITE.
AND YOU ALL HAVE THRESHOLDS IN YOUR CURRENT CODE THAT WE'VE CARRIED FORWARD AND INCREASE THE NONPERMEABLE LOCKED COVERAGE WHEN MORE THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET AND A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION FOR EXTERIOR REMODELING OF $10,000 IN VALUE OR MORE.
THESE ARE COLLECTIVELY THE THRESHOLDS FOR WHEN LANDSCAPING HAS TO BE REQUIRED.
UH, THERE ARE SOME EXEMPTIONS IN TACOMA.
I DON'T HAVE ONE SLIDE, BUT THERE'S EXEMPTIONS FOR, I THINK, UH, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX IN THE WARM WATER, WHERE IS LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT? THERE'S THREE GENERAL TYPES IT'S OF LANDSCAPING.
IF THIS SECTION LAYS OUT, FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS JUST A MINIMUM PERCENT OF THE SITE, BUT IT HAS TO BE LANDSCAPED.
SO CERTAIN ZONE DISTRICTS HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, 20% OF THE SITE AND LANDSCAPING HAS TO, HAS TO BE LANDSCAPE, UH, OTHER DISTRICTS THAT ARE MORE INTENSIVE SAY INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL LEANING AREAS, 10% FOR THOSE AREAS, WE HAVE CARRIED FORWARD.
THOSE, THOSE PERCENTAGES IN THIS CURRENT DRAFT, UM, WE HAVE UPDATED ALL THE DISTRICTS BECAUSE REMEMBER ALL THE DISTRICTS HAVE NEW NAMES WITH WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A RETHINKING OF THAT LINEUP.
SO THE PERCENTAGES ARE BEING CARRIED FORWARD, BUT THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THOSE NEW DISTRICTS.
SO THAT'S ONE TYPE OF LANDSCAPING.
IT'S JUST AN OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF THE SITE.
THEN YOU ALSO HAVE STREET LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
SO, UH, AREAS THAT, THAT BUFFER, YOU KNOW, AN ACTIVITY, A NEW DEVELOPMENT FROM THE STREETS, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IN THIS PART OF THE CODE, AND THIS IS JUST A GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF THAT BUFFER ALONG THE STREET.
WE'VE TAILORED THEM FOR URBAN VERSUS SUBURBAN CONTEXTS.
SO REMEMBER, WE'VE TALKED IN PRIOR MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO HAVE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL STANDARD FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
AND SO, SO FOR SOME OF THE MORE URBAN DISTRICTS AND WE'RE USING IT THAT TERM TO REFER TO THE NEW MIXED USE DISTRICTS THAT ARE INTRODUCED, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, OF A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UH, LANDSCAPE TREATMENT THAT THE CODE LAYS OUT BASED ON SOME OF THE BELTLINE STANDARDS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ADOPTED.
AND THEN IN OTHER AREAS THAT ARE MORE SUBURBAN, UH, THERE'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE TREATMENT THAT'S LAID OUT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE THIRD AREA WHERE PARKING IS REQUIRED OR LANDSCAPING IS REQUIRED IS PARKING AREAS.
AND IT'S MOSTLY INTERIOR AND ALSO THE PERIMETER AROUND IT AS WELL.
SO BIG LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHEN AND WHERE THAT'S REQUIRED.
GENERALLY, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THIS, THIS, THIS PIECE OF THIS GRAFTING, UM, WAS A CHANCE TO, TO PULL TOGETHER A LOT OF DISPARATE STUFF THAN Y'ALL HAVE IN YOUR CURRENT CODE OF ORDINANCES, LANDSCAPING AND FENCES AND SCREENING ARE REALLY SCATTERED AND FRAGMENTED.
YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING IN THE BELTLINE ORDINANCE VERSUS ADDISON CIRCLE VERSUS OTHER PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO REMEMBER, WE'VE TALKED IN SEVERAL CONTEXTS ABOUT TRYING TO HAVE A CITYWIDE STANDARD.
THIS SECTION CARRIES FORWARD CONSOLIDATES AND MAKES, UH, CURRENT STANDARDS APPLICABLE CITYWIDE.
I THINK THAT'S HIS CURRENT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE USE THE BELTLINE DISTRICT INTERIOR PARKING
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LOT LANDSCAPING STANDARDS, AND NOW HAVE PROPOSED TO APPLY TO THE CITYWIDE.SO THIS IS A TABLE THAT JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT PARTICULAR STANDARD, THAT THE INTERIOR PARKING LOT STANDARDS, THOSE ARE CARRIED FORWARD.
UM, THE TREE PRESERVATION AND TREE PERMIT STANDARDS ARE CARRIED FORWARD.
UH, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
UH, WE'VE HEARD SOME OF THOSE FROM STAFF AS WELL.
WE'VE DONE, WE'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A CREDIT THAT'S NOW ALLOWED TOWARDS YOUR TOTAL TREE REQUIREMENTS FOR TREES THAT ARE PRESERVED ON SITE, SUGGESTING THAT YOU CHANGE.
THERE'S MORE LANGUAGE ABOUT ENCOURAGING SUSTAINABLE LANDSCAPING AND LOW WATER LANDSCAPING, UH, NATIVE, ET CETERA.
IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION AT THIS POINT.
IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S NOT MUCH TEETH THERE.
UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON, BUT THAT IS A LITTLE, HOW DOES PHASE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT SCENARIO, LIKE PHASE DEVELOPMENT, LIKE, ARE THEY HELD TO A STANDARD OF WHAT IT WOULD MAXIMUM OUT OR DO THEY HELP? SO LIKE SAY THEY DO A FIRST PHASE, THEN THEY FALL IN THE 40,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT THEN THEY GO TO THE SECOND PHASE AND IT THROWS THEM INTO THE NORTH OF 50,000 SCHOOLS.
ARE THEY HELD TO THE HIGHER OF THE COMBINED PHASES OR ARE THEY INDIVIDUAL PHASES DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF APPLICATION YOU SUBMIT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO ULTIMATELY JUDGE BE JUDGED BY THE, BY THE SITE THAT'S APPROVED AT THAT TIME.
YOU'D BE SUBJECT TO WHATEVER'S BEING APPROVED AT THAT SITE POINT STAGE COMMUNITIES.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, UM, W WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS TO THE ADMINISTRATION PIECE AND HOW CYCLE PLANS MIGHT BE BROKEN APART IN THE DIFFERENT PHASES.
GENERALLY WITH FAITH DEVELOPMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WOULD BE DONE AT FIRST.
THEN IT COULD BE BASED OFF OF THAT THEN KNOWING THAT YOU COULD GENERALLY HAVE, UH, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY FOR HOW LARGE OF A PARKING AREA WOULDN'T BE NEEDED FOR THE WHOLE SITE VERSUS JUST ONE PHASE.
UM, SOMETHING THAT'S NEW HERE IS THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SUGGESTED.
UH, THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATION, CAN'T SEE IT BEHIND THIS BOX, BUT, UM, THIS IS A BIG, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IT'S INTENDED TO BE MORE INTENSIVE.
THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY HERE.
THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU AN EDGE CONDITION, AN EDGE BETWEEN SOMETHING THAT'S MORE INTENSIVE AND LESS INTENSIVE.
AND THERE'S BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED, UH, TO, TO BASICALLY ENSURE THAT THERE'S A BETTER LANDSCAPING TREATMENT TO HELP SOFTEN THAT EDGE THERE'S OPTIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
UH, YOU CAN DO A VEGETATIVE OPTION WITH TREES AND SHRUBS.
YOU CAN DO A HARD OPTION WITH A SOLID WALL OR A FENCE, OR YOU'VE GOT AUTHORIZATION FOR THE DIRECTOR TO APPROVE, UH, SOME ALTERNATIVES BASED ON SITE SPECIFIC REVIEW.
YOU ALL ARE DOING A LOT OF THIS ALREADY.
Y'ALL ARE DOING A LOT OF GOOD LANDSCAPING STUFF.
ONE OF THE KEY MESSAGES THAT'S TO THREAD IT THROUGHOUT IS THAT YOU'RE GETTING THESE GOOD RESULTS THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS AND THROUGH PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CARRY FORWARD.
A LOT OF THESE REQUIREMENTS INTO THE BASELINE FOR THE NEW CODE, MOVING FORWARD.
REMEMBER ONE OF OUR BIG THEMES, ONE OF OUR BIG CHARGES IS TO NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE PD WELL EVERY TIME AND TO RAISE THE BASELINE STANDARDS OF, OF THE GENERAL CODE.
AND SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TO CARRY FORWARD SOME OF THE GOOD WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE AS BASELINE STANDARDS.
UM, I TALKED ABOUT SCREENING AND FENCES BEING A BIG PART OF THIS SECTION AS WELL.
UM, THE, THE ORDINANCE, UH, CLARIFIES NOW THAT ANY LANDSCAPING PROVIDED TO MEET SCREENING STANDARDS IS CREDITED TOWARDS YOUR OVERALL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT OVERALL 20% OF YOUR SITE, AND YOU DO SOME OF THE SCREENING THAT WILL COUNT TOWARDS THAT PERCENTAGE THERE'S PARTICULAR TYPES OF SITE FEATURES OR ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE TO BE SCREENED, AND THEY'RE LISTED HERE, YOU KNOW, DUMPS DUMPSTERS AND RECYCLING AND OFF-STREET BLOATING.
THESE ARE ALL SPECIFICALLY, UH, LAID OUT IN THE DRAFT WHERE AS AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SCREENING, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT MECHANICAL BOXES.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'D HAVE TO DO SOME SCREENING OF THOSE.
WE'VE GOT ROOFTOP, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT'S CALLED OUT AS WELL.
UM, THERE ARE NEW ALTERNATIVES IN THE DRAFT TO ALLOW, UH, ALTERNATIVE FENCE SITES.
UH, THERE'S A NEW STANDARDS TO ENSURE THAT ANY OF THESE SCREENING OR FENCING MATERIALS ARE GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SITE, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING AN OVERALL AESTHETICALLY COORDINATED VISION.
ARE THOSE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, ARE THEY MANDATORY ON CERTAIN THINGS LIKE REFUSE AND DIFFERENT? THEY ALL ALREADY, THEY ARE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MANDATORY FOR, FOR, FOR THESE ITEMS HERE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING, CORRECT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A REQUIREMENTS IS SCREENING.
OH, THEY ARE IN THE DRAFT DRAFT.
WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT'S HOW I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
THIS IS ACTUALLY AN AREA WHERE, UM, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IN THE METROPLEX FALL SHORT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE AREAS, THE COMMUNITIES IN DFW AREA MIGHT BE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH LANDSCAPING OVERALL.
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OTHER TOPICS I'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT DUMPSTERS ARE UNSCREENED AND THEY'RE OUT ON MAIN STREETS AND THEY CAN BE UNSIGHTLY.YOU GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM.
SO, UM, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER CITIES, NOT AS TRYING THEM OUT, I FOUGHT THAT.
HOS OR PRIVATE COVENANTS WOULD REQUIRE THAT MAYBE HOMES, MARSHALL STUFF ALMOST REQUIRED THAT MAYBE HAPPENED.
YOU'VE BEEN GETTING IT, BUT YOU'VE NOT BEEN GIVEN UP BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE CODE BECAUSE OF THE ARCHITECTS.
HOPEFULLY IT'S ACTUALLY THE REASON I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED BASED ON OUR STANDARDS IN A CONVERSATION.
WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, I WAS TALKING TO CHARLES AND I ACTUALLY JUST ASSUMED THAT THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE, WOW.
SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, BY DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPPING CENTER HAS A HIGHER VALUE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON, YOU KNOW, MOST SHOPPING CENTERS, YOU HAVE CLOSURE FOR THUMPS, BUT THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I MEAN, A LOT OF APPLICANTS WILL BE DOING THESE THINGS ANYWAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE GOOD BUSINESS FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR SITE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST ESTABLISH THE BASELINE FOR THE TOWN SO THAT NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING LESS.
SO ON THE CONTAINER PIECE, IS IT TOTALLY ENCLOSED? WILL IT BE TOTALLY ENCLOSED? BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEE NOW IS LIKE THREE SIDES AND THEN ONE SIDE IS OVER AND THEN THE ONE SIDE IS OPEN AS WELL.
AND SO IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT TO INCLUDE THAT AS WELL? I THINK THE INTENT IS TOTALLY ENCLOSED.
I DON'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN FRONT.
MOST OF THE PLACES BUILD ANYTHING IN THERE THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC.
SO PLANES, POSTER, SONGS, AND VOLUMES IN THE BACK AND THE SERVE HIGH.
SO IT WAS CLOSED AND YOU DON'T SEE IT NOW, THE TRICK IS ALWAYS MAKING SURE THAT THE GATES CLOSED WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS THE HARD PART.
I THINK THE THING THAT, THE STUFF THAT'S HISTORICALLY HERE THAT IS IN ANOTHER SITUATION, THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE, I JUST TOOK A WALK THROUGH THIS BUILDING.
SO WHAT CITIES TYPICALLY DO IS REQUIRE THE GATE AND THEN THEY'LL TRY TO ORIENT IT AWAY FROM THE STREET.
SO IT OPENS INTO THE PROPERTY AND WHEN IT IS OPEN AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET, IT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE, BUT THAT'S THE OPTIMAL SOLUTION.
YOU GOT DUMPSTER, DUMPSTER SCREENING RIGHT OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING.
THAT'S JUST TWO WALLS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DUMPSTERS.
IT'S OPEN IN THE BACK AND IT'S COMPLETELY OPEN IN THE FRONT.
AND IT'S JUST KIND OF AN OLD SCHOOL WAY OF DOING IT.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FAR AND SHIT, THIS LANGUAGE, THIS LANGUAGE HERE.
I MEAN, IT HAS, IT HAS SOME DESCRIPTION ON HOW THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, BUT IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO DOORS AND MATERIALS WITH THE DOORS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD SEGUE TO THIS, THIS SLIDE.
SO, UM, Y'ALL, Y'ALL HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE WE REDRAFTED THIS WHOLE CHAPTER, YOU KNOW, OVER A YEAR AGO NOW, UH, WE'VE NOW HAD A CHANCE TO STEP BACK, LOOK AT IT AGAIN, IN PARTICULAR, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH KEN AND KEN IS PROVIDING JUST A GOOD NEW, FRESH SET OF EYES.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT HE'S URGED US TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IN THE NEW DRAFT IS TO TAKE IT EVEN FURTHER, UH, ADDITIONAL THINGS TO FOCUS ON THE USER-FRIENDLINESS.
SO MORE TABLES AND GRAPHICS AND THINGS.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE ORIGINALLY WERE TOLD TO CARRY FORWARD, UH, I THINK WE'VE NOW BEEN ASKED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT AND SAY, CAN WE MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER? UM, I'D GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE TREE ORDINANCE.
UH, THE TREE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW HAS A ONE FOR ONE CALIPER REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM STAFF HAS REALLY BEEN CHALLENGING TO ADMINISTER AND ENFORCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE OUT A 24 INCH CALIBER TREE, IT'S REALLY NOT FEASIBLE OFTEN TO GET A 24 INCH CALIBER REPLACEMENT TREE.
AND SO MORE COMMUNITIES WOULD SAY, YOU TAKE OUT 24 INCHES, YOU'VE GOT TO REPLACE IT WITH THREE TREES, THREE OF EIGHT INCH CALIPER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S SOME FINE TUNING AND TWEAKS THAT WE CAN DO IN THAT TYPE OF AREA.
UH, WE TALKED WITH THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THE PRUNING, UH,
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REQUIREMENT THAT IS NOW, UH, BASICALLY YOUR TREE PERMIT.UH, UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PRINT A TREE, YOU HAVE TO GET A TREE PERMIT THAT'S IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, BUT THERE'S NO REAL FURTHER DESCRIPTION OF PRUNING, NO REAL, UH, THING THAT SAYS WHAT TYPES OF MODEST PRUNING MIGHT BE ALLOWED VERSUS MAJOR PRUNING THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH YOUR STAFF ON TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FINE-GRAINED ON AS WE CARRY THAT FORWARD.
UM, I, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, A WHILE AGO THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, TOP OF THE TREES, SO SHORTER THAN LIFE OF THE TREES, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, I'LL ALWAYS SOMETHING HAPPENED PURSUE ON THE CONSOLE MEMBERS AND TRYING TO LOBBY THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FORGIVE THEM OR SOMETHING.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, CITY NEEDED SEVEN LETTERS TO, UH, ADVISE THEM DO NOT TALK TO THE TREES, BUT TREE TOPPING IS, IS A BIG REASON WHY COMMUNITIES PUT THAT PRUNING LANGUAGE IN THEIR ORDINANCES.
BUT THE KEY IS TO TRY TO STEP BACK AND STRIKE A BALANCE AND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPES OF MODEST PLANNING COULD BE OKAY FOR THE HEALTH OF THE TREE.
UM, THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE SO AGGRESSIVE THAT THEY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT BY THE CITY.
SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.
THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT REALLY TURNS INTO A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE TELLING ON OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT'S TURNING SOMEBODY IN DOESN'T LIKE IT, AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL.
WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL HOW YOU THAT'S GREAT.
I MEAN, THE ENFORCEMENT OF ALL THESE STANDARDS IS A LENS THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS GOT TO KEEP IN MIND.
IT'S ANOTHER LENS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE STAFF AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT THEM SPENDING TIME ON ENFORCING THIS STUFF OR DO YOU WANT THEM FOCUSING ON OTHER THINGS? UH, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR REMOVAL OF BEDS SHRUBS SINCE I'M DEAD PLANT MATERIAL.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE, WE'VE HEARD THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE DOZENS OF, OF COMPLAINTS THAT ARE IN FOR REMOVAL OF THINGS THAT ARE DEAD FROM THE FEBRUARY FREEZE.
UM, SO WE, YEAH, WE'VE HEARD ENFORCEMENT IS DEFINITELY A LENS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER WAS THAT YOU WERE ROLLING FORWARD THE PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENTS.
AND FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT IT WAS 20% LANDSCAPING EVEN ON COMMERCIAL, BUT THIS SAYS 10, THAT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT PORTION.
UM, 10% IS THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
FORMATTING MAKES IT HARD TO SEE WHERE THAT 10 STARTS, THE 20 IS CARRIED FORWARD FROM THE PRIOR PAGE.
AND SO I WANT TO FIX THAT, BUT YEAH, THERE THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHITE LINE THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE BRIGHTER.
IT'S NOT LIKE GREENFIELDS, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PLACES, BUT I'LL DO YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T REPLACE 24 INCH CALIPER TREES REPLACED, PLACE IT WITH A COUPLE OTHER MORE, FOUR-INCH GIVE THE TOWN A FEE FOR THE RANCHERS AND THEY CAN USE IT FOR, YEAH.
I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
WELL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF PARKLAND DEDICATION, BUT I MEAN, SOME COMMUNITIES ALSO DO ALLOW SPECIFICALLY THEY HAVE A TREE FUND AND YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE TREE FUND AS OPPOSED TO, TO DOING THAT POINT.
DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT TOOK ALL THE TREES, THE BIG TREES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE BIGGER AREA ENOUGH TO PLAN ANOTHER RIGHT DISTANCE.
SO WE END UP, YOU KNOW, THE
IT'S JUST TO TRY TO CRAM THEM IN THERE AND GET YOUR CALIFORNIA PROBABLY COME UP WITH TCI.
THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THE ARBORETUM AND DETERMINE WHERE THOSE TREES DIDN'T.
SO ANOTHER WAY TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY, UM, IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT ORDINANCE, BUT STILL MAKE SURE THERE'S TREES IN ADDISON.
UM, AND WE CAN TALK WITH KIND ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
UM, MOVING FORWARD, THIS THIRD BULLET IS ACTUALLY, UH, UH, UH, COMES OUT OF THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH Y'ALL WHERE WE TALKED SOME EXPLORATION OF USING ELEVATED LANDSCAPING STANDARDS TO ADDRESS BUILDING MATERIAL CONCERNS.
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REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 24 39, THE STATE BILL THAT LIMITS Y'ALL'S ABILITY TO REGULATE BUILDING MATERIALS.WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME COMMUNITIES, UM, NEARBY, MAYBE ON WAS ONE THAT ARE BASICALLY RAISING THE BAR ON LANDSCAPING REALLY HIGH, BUT THEN CREATING LEVERAGE IN A SENSE TO SAY THEN, UH, MAYBE WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS.
IF YOU DO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE BUILDING DESIGN CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN INTERPLAY THERE BETWEEN OTHER TOPICS THAT YOU ALL SAID AT THE LAST MEETING YOU WERE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, LIKE THIS THING OUT OF SOMETHING OTHER THAN BRICK, YOU GOT TO HAVE A GROSS GREEN ALL THE WAY UP.
SO I, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL EXPLORE THAT AND TRY TO BE CREATIVE WITH YOU MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN JUST GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE REFINING ALL THIS STUFF THROUGH, ALONG WITH ADDISON AND, AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, I WANT TO JUMP TO THIS FINAL BULLET, THE BLUE ONE, UM, TAILORING THE CODE APPLICABILITY TO MAINTAIN HIGH STANDARDS, BUT ALSO NOT BECOMING A BARRIER TO REDEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS LANGUAGE FROM US ON A PRIOR SLIDE, BUT WE WANTED TO REINFORCE IT HERE.
THIS IS REAL, REALLY FOREMOST IN THE MINDS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WE TALKED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT DO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY SEE DEVELOPMENT COSTS, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY COMING FROM LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY APPRECIATE THE VALUE OF THIS STUFF, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO BE REALLY SENSITIVE TO THE COST IMPACTS.
SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS JUST A TEASER, I WOULD SAY, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING ANOTHER AGGRESSIVE LOOK AT THIS STUFF.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD FOUNDATION, DO A LOT OF WORK TO TRY TO PULL TOGETHER ALL THAT DIFFERENT STUFF AND MAKE IT FIT WITH OUR NEW FRAMEWORK.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE FROM TAKE IT EVEN FURTHER, KEN, IS THAT A FAIR SUMMARY OF THAT? PERFECT MATCH.
DO YOU HAVE, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS.
I KNOW LANDSCAPING, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.
DO YOU GUYS FACTOR IN HARDSCAPE LIKE ENHANCED HARDSCAPE? IS THAT COMING TO PLAY IN A CODE NOW? WELL, THERE ARE SOME HARD FEATURES THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE AND IN A LANDSCAPE AREA, YOU KNOW, LIKE A PARK, LIKE A BENCH MAYBE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING, I'M JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX HERE.
I'M THINKING LIKE SOME PLACES, SOME CITIES YOU GO TO AND IT'S LIKE, YOU HAVE A PLAZA THAT'S GRANTED AND FOUNTAINS AND STUFF, AND THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING MIGHT BE TREES, BUT THEY SPEND WAY MORE MONEY.
SO I KNOW IT'S NOT OPEN SPACE, BUT WHAT A GREAT SEGUE THIS IS, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY A GREAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME COMMUNITIES CALL IT COMMON OPEN SPACE OR PRIVATE COMMON OPEN SPACE.
AND, UM, THIS, THIS IS A TOPIC THAT CAME UP IN OUR MEETING YESTERDAY WITH THE COMMITTEE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PARKLAND DEDICATION.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER PARKLAND DEDICATION SHOULD BE EXTENDED TO NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE INSTEAD IS THAT MAYBE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, BE, UH, REQUIRED TO PROVIDE COMMON OPEN SPACE JUST FOR THE PEOPLE ON THAT SITE.
I'M JUMPING AHEAD OF ALL MY SLIDES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO GET EXACTLY TO THAT POINT.
THERE, THERE CAN BE THINGS THAT YOU DO TO PROVIDE THESE KINDS OF OPEN GREEN RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY JUST LIGHTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO GO THERE.
IT'S NOT PART OF LANDSCAPING PER SE.
IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF A DIFFERENT, SO YOU WENT TO EUROPE, ESPECIALLY ITALY, GO TO ROME.
AND ACTUALLY THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED? THEY PUT A LOT OF BIG POTLUCK, YOU KNOW, AND PUT DIRTY AND GROW ALL KINDS OF TREES AND THEN PLANTS, BUT ALSO ROOFTOP TURNED THAT INTO GREEN SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING MORE INNOVATIVE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE ACTUAL SITUATION, INSTEAD OF JUST HEAD UP 20%, THAT IS SCARY TO TRY TO PRESENT A STUDENT, YOU KNOW, GOT TO BE INNOVATIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT ARE ALLOWING GREEN ROOFS TO COUNT TOWARDS THEIR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, COMMON OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY A PUBLIC THING.
IT'S NOT LIKE A PUBLIC PARK, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A GREEN AMENITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK IN THAT BUILDING.
SO WE'RE, IT'S VERY RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S VERY RELATED TO LANDSCAPING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.
LET ME ACTUALLY GO THERE REAL FAST.
LET'S JUST GET IT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE I'M TEASING YOU.
WELL, ANYTHING ELSE ON LANDSCAPING THOUGH, BEFORE WE GO TO THAT TOPIC? ANY OTHER KIND OF QUESTIONS
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OR THOUGHTS? THE LANDSCAPING INCLUDE FENCING? YES.SO THERE ARE PLACES AROUND TOWN WHERE I SAY, FOR INSTANCE, A BRICK WALL WHERE SOMEBODY HAS PUT UP A WOOD FENCE, BUT THE WOOD FENCE IS TWO FEET TALLER THAN THE BRICK WALL.
DO WE HAVE, OR DO WE WANT ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT BEING TAPERED TO THE WALLS? SO IT LOOKS MORE STATICALLY PLEASING BECAUSE IT LOOKS REALLY FUNNY RIGHT NOW WITH FENCES, JUST GOING UP INTO A WALL, BUT IT'S DOWN THERE THAT SENSE BE RECALL LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE EDGE CONDITIONS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH IS THE CURRENT CODE IS THE, IT JUST SIMPLY PROVIDES A MAX FAN SIDE OF EIGHT FEET.
SO THAT'S WHAT ALLOWS, UM, UH, HOMEOWNERS TO HAVE THAT LARGER.
TYPICALLY I WOULD FRIENDS BEHIND THAT MAJOR, VERY SCREENING WALL.
UM, IT CAN BE CHALLENGING FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT AT TIMES THERE HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL AND COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT FOR.
WE CAN CERTAINLY, I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY BEHIND BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY SEEING SOME NOW WHERE THERE ARE WOOD FENCES THAT ARE BUILT LITERALLY RIGHT BEHIND THE BRICK WALL.
SO THERE'S THAT BRICK WALL WITH EXPENSE ABOUT THAT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ONES THAT GO PERPENDICULAR TO IT SO THAT YOU HAVE THIS LIKE WOOD AND IT GOES RIGHT INTO A BRICK WALL AND IT JUST LOOKS REALLY TACKY.
YOU BOUGHT WOULD BE THE, TO HAVE IT MAINTAIN THE SAME HEIGHT, WHICH WOULD YOU SAY JUST TO HAVE IT, UM, EXPLAIN IT DOWN.
SO THEN AT THE POINT OF THE WALL, IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, SLOPE DOWN TO THE WALL, THE TRANSITION.
IN THAT SAME REGARD, OTHER HEIGHTS AND LOCATIONS, IT SAYS THAT BETWEEN YOUR PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND PUBLIC PRIVATE ROAD FENCE CANNOT BE HIGHER THAN SIX FEET.
AND YET, IN A SENTENCE BEFORE THAT SAYS THE MAC SIDE STOCK SEAT, MATE, WHY IS THERE AN EIGHT AND A SIX FOOT WHEN IT JUST SEEMS TO BE KIND OF, I MEAN, A LOT OF TIME THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS A HOME AND THEY WANT THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY OF AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, BUT THIS HAS ONLY SIX FOOT.
THE CURRENT MAX HEIGHT IN TOWN IS, IS EIGHT FEET.
UM, SO, UH, REDUCING THAT I THINK WOULD PRESENT SOME CHALLENGES THAT OUR TEAM DOES NEED TO REFINE THAT THE, UH, ITEM MORE AND READDRESS IT.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE A SIX FOOT REQUIREMENT MAXIMUM.
AND WHEN IT BECAME POPULAR TO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, THEY WERE HAVING CHALLENGES WITH THAT.
PEOPLE FEEL SAFER, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A HIGHER OFFENSE SO NOBODY CAN SEE THROUGH THEIR HOMES.
SO IT'S VERY COMMON TODAY, BUT IN THE OLD DAYS, IT'S ONLY SIX WITH IS A TREND, BECOME A IFFY.
SO WE NEED TO REVISE THAT SUE THIS PROCESS, GOOD COUNTRY WE HAVE, UH, SINCE WE HAVE GUIDANCE ON HYPE FOR OFFENSES, IS THERE ANY GUIDANCE ON, UM, LENGTH THAT STAYS ON THE SAME LINE? YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, ONE LONG, UH, FENCE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A WORD FOR IT.
I CAN'T TELL THEM CORRECT INSIGHTS AND PROJECTIONS, INSETS AND PROJECTIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
DID WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MOM, THE FENCE, I DON'T THINK YOU DO RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, SOME COMMUNITIES DO HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T GO LONGER THAN 30 FEET WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF INSECT.
THOSE WE DON'T HAVE OTHER, NOW THIS KIND OF DOES HAVE THAT ON PAGE 59 ITEM ON THAT PAGE.
IT'S SIMILAR TO LIKE THE BUILDING ARTICULATION STANDARDS.
WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WITH YOU CAN'T GO MORE THAN 30 FEET PROJECTIONS.
A REPLACEMENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL FENCE DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT.
UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING A NEW FENCE, WE REQUIRE FOR SO REQUIRE WORD FOR DEMOLITION, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE, OKAY.
I SEE A LOT OF LACK OF REQUIREMENT.
LIKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S DEPICT STIPULATES, THAT POSTS SHOULD BE INTERIOR TO THOSE FENCES.
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AND, AND I DON'T LIVE IN AN AREA THAT HAS AN HOA, SO THERE'S NOT AN ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT OF IT.SO TO ME, THAT'S AN ENFORCEMENT THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING AT THE PERMIT STAGE.
AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF THROUGH THE REPLACEMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE NOW PUT THE POST TO THE OUTSIDE, BUT WHERE'S THAT REQUIREMENT COMING FROM? I THOUGHT IN MY TITLE WORK
AND I'VE GOT A QUESTION IF I COULD.
CAN YOU, COULD YOU PLEASE TURN TO YOUR SLIDE 14? OKAY.
AND ADD ON THE SECOND BULLET POINT ON THAT.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU GOTTA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SECOND BULLET OF THE NONPERMEABLE LOT COVERAGE.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT THRESHOLDS THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
THIS IS, THIS IS AN EXISTING REQUIREMENT OF YOUR CURRENT CODE, UH, WHERE BASICALLY, IF YOU ARE PUTTING MORE ASPHALT OR SOME NONPERMEABLE LOT COVERAGE ON THE SITE THAT EXCEEDS 2000 SQUARE FEET, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THE LANDSCAPING ARE THAT ARE CO SO IF YOU WERE DOING SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, YOU WOULDN'T HIT THAT TRIGGER NECESSARILY, UNLESS YOU HAD SEPARATELY HAD THAT YOU'D MET THAT TRIGGER FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT VALUE.
SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN INCREASE ON OUR CURRENT CODE.
I THINK YOU HAVE THAT THRESHOLD IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
SO ALL OF MY, WHEN I LOOK AT THE AGENDA, I'M LOOKING AT THIS SAME SLIDE, BUT IT'S SLIDE 15 AND THE PRESENTATION, UM, ALL THE AGENDA AND IT, AND IT SAYS LANDSCAPING AT THE TOP.
BUT WE, SO THIS, THE BULLET POINT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT A CHANGE THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE CHANGED THE TITLE OF THIS SLIDE COUNCIL NUMBER TO OVERVIEW VERSUS KEY CHANGES, BECAUSE THAT WAS ACTUALLY CONFUSING.
WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO SUMMARIZE JUST KEY POINTS, BUT THE WORD CHANGES I THINK WAS, UH, WAS MISLEADING.
RIGHT? THERE'S THE ONLINE CODE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED AGAIN, COME BACK FIRST.
NO, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEND US PICTURES BY EMAIL AND WE'VE GOTTEN SOME OF THOSE FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.
I MAY HAVE TO REEMPHASIZE ALSO, I THINK WE WERE BROUGHT UP THAT ENFORCEMENT ON A 4.7 11 ON MAINTENANCE, A LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, I'M ASSUMING EVEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, AND EVERYBODY GETS TO BOB'S POINT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THERE THAT NEIGHBORS CAN SQUEAL ON FOR OTHER NEIGHBORS.
AND I THINK BEING VERY SENSITIVE THAT YOU SAID THE LENS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH, UM, THIS ONE REALLY BRINGS UP A LOT OF ISSUES BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS AND COMMERCIAL OWNERS THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH EVERY ONE OF MOST.
IN FACT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF, SO WHEN YOU HAVE A LIST LIKE THIS, IT BECOMES VERY EASY NOW FOR FOLKS TO START TO POINT FINGERS.
AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO.
SO THIS GETS BACK TO THAT OVERALL EXEMPTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY THAT I TALKED ABOUT THOUGH, SO THAT THIS ONLY APPLIES BASICALLY TO EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT OUR ONE OR TWO.
AND SO THE APPLICABILITY STATEMENTS AT THE FRONT OF THE SECTION, AND THAT WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS SECTION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE BE HELPFUL ON WHAT IS EXEMPLARY.
WHAT'S NOT A LOT OF THESE SECTIONS.
LIKE YOU GET TOO FAR DOWN AND YOU FORGET WHAT'S EXEMPLARY.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE COMMITTEE.
IT'S KIND OF JUST THE ART OF THE DRAFTING.
HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU, DO YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT POINT? UM, THIS WOULD BE ONE GOOD POINT.
IT'D BE GOOD TO MAYBE ADD A TABLE TO SHOW THE APPLICABILITY FOR EACH SECTION.
ANY OTHER LANDSCAPING COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, FENCING.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT FOR INSTANCE, AT ALL WITH THE COMMITTEE.
PUSHES THROUGH, UM, SUBDIVISION.
UM, ADDISON IS MOSTLY BUILT OUT.
Y'ALL, DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS.
WE WORK IN PLACES WHERE THIS IS THE NAME OF THE GAME.
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TOPIC THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF THE PROJECT DISCUSSING.UM, BUT I THINK SUBDIVISION IS A RELATIVELY SMALL PART OF WHAT Y'ALL SEE.
I, I KNOW I'VE HEARD KEN SAY A COUPLE OF TIMES IN HIS SOUTHERN EIGHT MONTHS, HE HAS SEEN LITTLE BITS TO KNOW SUBDIVISION PLAT ACTIVITY CROSSES PLATE, BUT IT'S, BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CODE.
AND IT IS IN Y'ALL'S CURRENT ORDINANCES THAT'S BEEN CARRIED FORWARD.
THIS IS WHERE WE ADDRESS THINGS LIKE HOW LOCKS ARE DESIGNED, UH, BLOCKS ARE LAID OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO, UH, THE OVERALL DESIGN STANDARDS FOR STREET DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
THE MORE TECHNICAL STUFF, NOT, NOT THE ACCESS AND CONDUCTIVITY THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, BUT THE MORE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A WATER, UH, WASTEWATER, UH, STREETLIGHTS, UH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS YOU SEE THERE IN THE HOUSE OF GROVE PICTURE, UM, PARKLAND, DEDICATION IS PART OF THIS TOPIC.
PARKLAND DEDICATION IS WHERE WE'LL SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME TALKING, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
DO YOU REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF LAND TO BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN FOR USE AS A PUBLIC PARK, ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE, YOU ALL HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS THERE.
NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED.
AND THEN FINALLY BEYOND PARK DEDICATION.
WHAT ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING PARKS THAT YOU HAVE SOME COMMUNITIES AROUND TEXAS AND OTHER PLACES ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES.
SO CREATING A POT OF MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE JUST BEYOND THE GENERAL FUND THAT WOULD ENABLE YOU TO FIX A PIECE OF PUBLIC PARKS OR TO POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, UPGRADE FACILITIES OR TO POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, BUY ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE JUST FOR THE DEDICATION STANDARDS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER TOPIC THAT WE'LL PUT ON THE TABLE.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FEES A COUPLE OF TIMES, AS YOU WANT AROUND TREES.
AND NOW ONE AROUND THIS, UH, IS, IS THE PLAN, WOULD THAT BE THAT IT WOULD GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR WOULD IT BE A STANDALONE, UH, TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS? OR HOW IS WHAT'S THE INTENTION OF HOW THAT MONEY MIGHT BE SPENT? I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE WE'VE SPENT THE MOST TIME TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE WAY THAT THAT'S DISCUSSED HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SO FAR IS THAT IT WILL BE THE SECOND OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU LAID OUT.
IT WOULD BE DEDICATED JUST TO THAT PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT FEES TO A REGULAR RIGOROUS FORMULA THAT YOU DETERMINED THAT MEANS STATE LAW.
AND THEN THAT MONEY WOULD BE IN A SPECIAL POCKET THAT JUST BE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE GENERAL CASE.
UM, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT A TREE FUND REALLY, THAT JUST CAME UP TONIGHT, BUT, BUT THAT GENERALLY, IF IT'S DONE WOULD BE, UH, TREATED THE SAME WAY.
AND IF IT'S UNDER UNDERFUNDED, IF IT'S UNDERFUNDED, THAT PARTICULAR FUND.
WELL THE FUND, THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE WOULD ONLY BE THERE TO, YOU KNOW, AUGMENT OR ENHANCE FACILITIES THAT YOU'VE GOT.
AND YOU JUST, YOU JUST WOULDN'T PURSUE THOSE PROJECTS.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY, YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT TWO MONTHS THERE, BUT IT WOULD, I THINK THE WAY IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ALWAYS BE REPLENISHED AS NEW DEVELOPMENT PERMITS CAME IN.
SO THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER BUCKET THAT YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF ON THE TABLE WITH JUST LITTLE MORE CONTEXT.
UM, I'M GOING TO TOTALLY THROW IT UP AND BE ALL.
JUST LET ME GET A COUPLE MORE SLIDES.
UM, JUST OVERALL ORGANIZATIONS HERE, GENERAL STANDARDS FOR ALL SUBDIVISION DESIGN STANDARDS IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S A MORE LOGICAL THAN A CLEANER ORGANIZATION NOW, ESPECIALLY THAT GENERAL PIECE IS A, IS A BETTER FROM A DRAFTING PERSPECTIVE.
THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD WORK TO JUST MAKE IT EASIER TO USE.
UH, YOU'RE ACTUALLY, UH, PRETTY LIGHT ON WHAT DESIGN STANDARDS IN YOUR CURRENT CODE.
AND SO WE'VE BEEFED THAT UP WITH SOME FAIRLY TYPICAL STANDARDS.
UM, ONE THING I DID WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO IN THE DRAFT WAS PRIVATE STREETS.
UM, WE HAD, UH, TALKED LAST YEAR WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PUT TOGETHER ABOUT, UH, CHALLENGES THAT ADDISON HAD HAD WITH THE PRIVATE STREETS.
AND SO THE DIRECTION AT THAT TIME WAS TO NOT ALLOW NEW PRIVATE STREETS IN THE FUTURE.
UH, BUT SO WHAT THIS GRAPH SHOWS IS JUST MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING PRIVATE STREETS, NO NEW PRIVATE STREETS.
I THINK MAYBE THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL TALK NOW.
AND, AND, UH, THERE THERE'S, THERE'S THOUGHT THAT THIS IS, UH, A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY ALTOGETHER.
SO THERE COULD BE LIMITED SITUATIONS WHEN NEW PRIVATE STREETS MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO HEAR Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK ON AS WELL.
UM, JUST I'LL, I'LL JUST PUT ALL THESE OTHER TABLES.
SO KEY CHANGES, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION PIECE.
UM, WE HAVE UPDATED THE REQUIRED PARKLAND DEDICATION IN THIS DRAFT FOR RESIDENTIAL
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DEVELOPMENT TO BE EIGHT ACRES FOR EVERY THOUSAND.THAT IS THE RATIO THAT IS ADOPTED IN THE PARKS RECREATION AND MASTER PLAN.
SO THIS IS A STRAIGHT PLAN IMPLEMENTATION CHANGE.
THAT IS AN INCREASE FROM WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, WHICH IS DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
SOME DISTRICTS HAVE A TWO ACRE PER THOUSAND, SOME HAVE A FOUR ACRE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO IN THIS DRAFT INTRODUCED THIS PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FUNDING FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND DEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING PARK FACILITIES.
THIS WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL AS PROPOSED, BUT THAT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION.
THIS WOULD BE AN IMPACT, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SUPPORT STUDY THAT BASICALLY DOES THE THOROUGH DOCUMENTATION TO ANALYZE THE NEED AND THE SPECIFIC FEE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT YOU'VE GOT A RATIONAL FORMULA.
IT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE FORMULA WOULD BE UPDATED IN THE FUTURE.
THE STATE HAS HAS GUIDELINES FOR HOW THOSE STUDIES HAVE TO BE DONE.
UH, UH, YOU COULD GET CREDITS AGAINST THAT FEE FOR ANY NEW LAND THAN THE STATIC.
SO THERE'S AN INTERPLAY HERE BETWEEN PARKLAND DEDICATION AND THEN YOUR FEED WILL BE REQUIRED.
SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THAT.
SO IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT NOW FOR SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE AND SOMEONE'S COMING IN AND DEVELOPING A HUNDRED THOUSAND WATTS, WOULD ANYTHING BE PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND THIS IS THIS, THIS KIND OF GETS AT THIS NEW ISSUE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT TO TEE UP FOR YOU ALL TO TALK ABOUT.
DOES THE TOWN WANT TO REQUIRE PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? WHEN WE FIRST SENT OUT THE AGENDA, WHEN WE FIRST LAID OUT THE DRAFT, THE THOUGHT WAS MAYBE WE EXTEND THIS PARKLAND, DEDICATION AND FEE AND LEW BEYOND RESIDENTIAL TO NON-RESIDENTIAL.
NOW THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS NEW FOR Y'ALL TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DRAFTED.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE A COMPLIMENT TO PUBLIC PARK DEDICATION.
IT'S PRIVATE, COMMON OPEN SPACE.
AND SO IF I'M DOING A HUNDRED UNITS MAYBE OF TOWNHOMES, OR IF I'M DOING A MIXED USE PROPERTY, UH, I'VE GOT TO SET ASIDE X AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET AS PRIVATE COMMON OPEN SPACE, JUST FOR THE USE OF PEOPLE ON THAT SITE.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE PUBLICLY DEDICATED.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET THOSE PUBLIC DEDICATION, LEGAL THRESHOLDS IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE SITE.
BUT NOW WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO THIS POINT.
IT WAS, IT COULD BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
IT CAN BE GREEN SPACE, IT CAN BE A GREEN ROOF, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE A PLAZA.
IT COULD BE A HARDSCAPE WITH FOUNTAIN AND PUBLIC ART, SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES A RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE ON THAT SITE.
UM, THE WAY WE'VE DRAFTED THESE IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
YOU CAN DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS NOT IN THE DRAFT.
THIS IS A Y'ALL, HAVEN'T HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT WE CERTAINLY DRAFTED IT IN OTHER PLACES.
AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO EXTEND PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR NON-RESOURCE, THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPTION THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DO IS THAT PRIVATE, COMMON OPEN SPACE.
THIS IS A WAY TO HELP YOU MOVE THE BALL FORWARD AND STAY AT THE FOREFRONT OF PROVIDING RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, UM, WE WERE, WE WERE FUNDING OR FINANCING.
A LOT DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER THOUGHT WAS GOING TO GET A HUNDRED LOTS CAME BACK INTO IT.
NO ONE WANTS YOU TO DO 160 LOFTS.
WE WANT YOU TO CREATE OPEN SPACES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO I ENDED UP LOOKING GREAT.
AND COULD YOU HEAR THAT, BUT THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IF PRIVATE COMPANY, THEY DEDICATED THE LAB AS A PART FOR THE CITY CT, WHAT VIEW IS POSSIBLE FOR DOING THE EVENT RIGHT IN THIS EXAMPLE IS ALSO THAT
SO TYPICALLY THE PRIVATE COMMON OPEN SPACE WOULD HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THAT HOA OR PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION OR SOME OTHER ENTITY WOULD BE HAVE THE FUNDING AND THE LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR CARING.
SO YOU WERE DOING LIKE A MIXED EAST DEVELOPMENT IN PLANO, AND TYPICALLY THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS WOULD REQUIRE SMALLER OPEN SPACES TO BE DISTRIBUTED AROUND.
UH, THE OVERALL SITE THERE'S THE SMALLER OPEN SPACES WOULD BE PRIVATELY-OWNED OUTWARDLY MAINTAINED, BUT THERE WOULD IMMEDIATE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO IF I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN I WOULD WANT HIM TO USE THAT OPEN SPACE BECAUSE I WAS MONDAY TO GO TO A RESTAURANT OR A SHOP I WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
AND THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT.
SO IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON, UM, MAKES
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EASTER MOMENTS AND STARTING TO GET MORE COMMON, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THIS WELL, WE SEE THESE ALL OVER DENVER JUST TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR ALL THESE TOPICS I HAD, I HAD MENTIONED IT TO JANET, BUT, UH, SHE MIGHT WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS JUST ABOUT THE USE OF PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES AND OTHER PLACES.AND SOME OF THE THINKING THAT LED TO THIS PROPOSAL.
JANET TOOK WELL DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, THIS CONVERSATION REALLY BUILT FROM OUR CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WHEN WE DID THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
IF YOU REMEMBER, OUR, UM, OUR CONSULTANT DID LOOK INTO, UM, OUR CURRENT PARK SYSTEM, THEY ESTABLISHED OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICES, THE EIGHT ACRES PER 1000 RESIDENTS.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS IS WE FEEL THAT WE SHOULD STAY AT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, SO WE SHOULDN'T GO DOWN.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
BUT THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY HAD IS THAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK FOR WAYS, UM, TO PUT OUT MORE, UM, USABLE PARK SPACE.
WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT PASSIVE PARKS RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT WE REALLY HEARD IN OUR SURVEY IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TRAIL CORRIDORS, OR THEY WANTED LARGER OPEN SPACES THAT THEY COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF RECREATION ON WHETHER IT BE SAFE, VOLLEYBALL, OR FRISBEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO THE IN LIEU OF FEE WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY TELL A DEVELOPER THAT'S REALLY NOT A HUGE PARK SPACE.
WE WOULD PREFER FOR YOU TO DONATE THE COST OF WHAT THAT LAND WOULD BE TO THE TOWN.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO USE THEM WITHIN THAT AREA OF THAT DEVELOPMENT CLOSE BY, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO USE IT BY A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME, USUALLY 10 YEARS.
UM, THE COMMON SPACE WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT WE LOOK AT.
AND IT ALSO CHALLENGED US TO LOOK AT, UM, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT, BE WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME MONEY TO GO IN.
PERHAPS WE HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT NOW HAS CHILDREN, UH, LOTS OF CHILDREN THAT LIVE THERE, BUT OUR PARK THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT, DOESN'T HAVE A PLAYGROUND, SO WE CAN TAKE THOSE FUNDS AND WE CAN BUILD A PLAYGROUND AND SERVE THAT AREA.
UM, THEY ALSO WANTED US TO LOOK AT NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE A HUGE BUSINESS AREA IN SOUTH CORN THAT WE HEARD FROM THAT REALLY WANTED SOME OUTDOOR SPACE, SO THEY COULD GO HAVE LUNCH OR THEY COULD WORK OUTSIDE, OR THEY COULD HAVE MEETINGS OUTDOORS, OR THEY COULD HAVE A FITNESS CLASS DURING THEIR LUNCH HOUR.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
YOU COULD EITHER DO THAT THROUGH THEIR PRIVATE COMMON SPACE, OR YOU COULD DO THAT FROM, UH, A DEVELOPMENT FEE THAT APPLIED TO NON-RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT'S A LOT OF THIS BUILT OFF OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HEARD IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CONTEXT.
I JUST WANTED TO CIRCLE THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING IDEAS AND TO REMIND YOU OF WHERE THESE, THESE CONDITIONS COME FROM.
SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THESE IDEAS GENERALLY? UM, LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK ABOUT AN ORDER, I GUESS LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DEDICATION FEE, TAKE THIS OFF THE TABLE, MAYBE CAUSE ANYBODY INTERESTED JUST IN TAKING THE PARKLAND DEDICATION THAT YOU HAVE AND THE NEW FEE AND LU AND EXTENDING THAT TO NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IS THERE ANY SUPPORT FOR THAT? THERE IS ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT.
HEY, MATT, IS THAT, IS THAT ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? WELL, THRESHOLDS TO BE DETERMINED, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.
I MEAN, IT COULD WELL BE THAT IT'S OVER ONLY THOSE OVER A CERTAIN SIZE, YOU KNOW, OVER X AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET.
THAT GOES BACK TO THAT BALANCE.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THRESHOLDS IN PLACE NOW FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT'S ONLY SUBDIVISIONS FOR A CERTAIN SIZE.
AND SO WE'D BE LOOKING FOR SOME SIMILAR THRESHOLDS IN MODERN RESIDENTIAL AS WELL, OR IS IT A VERY FEE STRUCTURE? IT'S IT COULD BE.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS HIGH AS THEY ARE FOR RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THIS DIRECT RELATIONSHIP.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WORKING IN OFFICES AND YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THEIR USE OF PUBLIC PARKS, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR LUNCH HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO PROBABLY AS ACTIVE USERS, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT STUDIES SHOW.
SO I HONESTLY, I THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, UM, NOT EXCLUSIVELY, BUT MANY COMMUNITIES STICK TO RESIDENTIAL HERE AND THEY DO EXPLORE TOOLS LIKE THIS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE DIRECT BENEFIT TO THOSE OFFICE WORKERS THAT WANT TO HAVE LUNCH AND A NICE PLACE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GREEN ROOF OR SOMETHING.
AND SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A FLEXIBLE TOOL THAT'S HELPING, UM, ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE RECREATIONAL NEEDS FOR THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE.
WELL, IT COULD BE YOUR PICKLEBALL COURT, SORRY,
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PICKLE, PICKLE, BALL, PICKLE BALL.OH, I MEAN, I KIND OF THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT HELPS BUILDING OWNERS MORE COMPETITIVE.
I THINK IF YOU CAN REQUIRE SOME OPEN SPACE, I THINK
THERE'S A GOOD TRACK RECORD OF THEM BEING VERY FLEXIBLE AND APPLY REALLY WELL.
WHAT KIND OF A LOT OF THESE ENDEAVORS, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO IT.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE TOWN, BUT MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO DO BUSINESS WITH US WITHOUT COMPROMISING WHAT WE CAN REALLY GET TO ULTIMATELY.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO ITEMS. THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
SO JUST, JUST LOOK AT THIS FIRST TWO BULLETS HERE, THE GENERAL DIRECTION IS, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE TRY TO EXTEND OUR HIGH QUALITY OF SERVICE IN PARK AND RECREATION? TRY TO EXTEND THAT A LITTLE BIT TO NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT DOING IT IN A VERY FLEXIBLE WAY THAT ALLOWS PROPERTY OWNERS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES THE BEST SENSE FOR THEIR SITES.
UM, RAISE THE BAR, BUT YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE THE BAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WOULD THINK ABOUT THAT.
LET'S SUPPOSE FIRST TWO GOALS.
I THINK ONE OF THE KEYS IS THAT IT IS ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT, LIKE CHEMISTRY.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE.
SO LET'S, LET'S NOW BROADEN THIS TO THE THIRD POLL, THE PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEE.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS OVER AND ABOVE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.
UM, UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS NOT UNIQUE.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS HAVE, UH, I THINK, UH, NEW BRAUNFELS AND WHAT DO WE SAY? WE HAVE A LIST ACTUALLY, JAN, JANET HAD A LIST, SAN ANTONIO, AUSTIN, DALLAS, SAN ANTONIO, AUSTIN, AND DALLAS PLANO NEW BRAUNFELS DEAD.
AND I THINK, YEAH, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THAT UNUSUAL, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, REMINDED US THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S BEEN A HISTORICAL RELUCTANCE TO LOOK AT IMPACT FEES AND ADDISON, AND THEY DEFINITELY SAW THIS AS AN IMPACT FEE.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE'LL HOLD THE BRAKES HERE.
WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
IT'S CHANGED A LOT AND WE LOST A LOT OF REVENUE SOURCES OVER THE YEAR.
AND I THINK HE HAD TO TAKE THAT.
WE'RE NOT JUST ACRES OF OPEN LAND, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET NEW DEVELOPMENT.
RESIDENTIAL ONE IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S THE, LAND'S GOTTEN TOO EXPENSIVE HERE, BUT IF YOU WANT OTHER FORMS OF REVENUE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK IT UP IT, OR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE SALES TAX THAT WE LOST OFF OF LIQUOR STORES AFTER ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, SO TO ME, YOU HAVE TO, WE'RE JUST IN A DIFFERENT POINT IN TIME, I THINK JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING ALL THE TIME, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT REASON TO NOT CHANGE GOING FORWARD.
AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MONEY'S GOING TO BE HARDER TO COME BY GOING FORWARD AND YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT ONEROUS, THEN IT'S WORTH LOOKING FOR YOU.
ISN'T THIS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT WOULD BE A NEGOTIATION POINT TO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO NEGOTIATE DOWN.
LIKE IF THEY CAME TO, WE WANTED TO PUT BUILDING STANDARDS IN, IS THIS GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE FEEDS THAT, UM, UH, COULD BE ON THE TABLE? YEAH.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? ARE WE JUST GONNA ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND WRITE US A CHECK EVERY SINGLE TIME, YOU KNOW, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SQUEEZE OUT YOUR MIXER 20,000 SQUARE FEET OR A COUPLE OF LOTS, OR WILL WE HAVE TO SAY AND MAKE THE DECISIONS? I KNOW WE FEEL OPEN SPACES REQUIRE HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR DOWN THIS ROAD OF WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO YOUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY AND HAVING MORE DETAILED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD JUST REMIND US THAT ONE OF THE PROJECT OBJECTIVES WAS TO MOVE AWAY FROM NEGOTIATION NEGOTIATION ALL THE TIME, AND TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND UPFRONT ABOUT WHAT YOUR STANDARDS ARE.
SO IT'S PREDICTABLE, IT'S TRANSPARENT.
SO I JUST THINK THAT'S ANOTHER LENS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS THROUGH AS WELL.
UM, I THINK YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE A FEE.
THAT'S JUST A BARGAINING CHIP THAT YOU NEGOTIATE EVERY TIME.
WELL, IF THEY ARE ALREADY DOING PARK SPACE, IF THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT OR THE COMMON OPEN SPACE TO ADD A PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE ON TOP OF THAT, I'M NOT SURE IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, REALLY THOROUGHLY STUDIED
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AND YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THOSE AMOUNTS TO SEE WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.AND IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS, YOU KNOW,
SO THERE CAN BE OPPORTUNITIES.
DETERMINING NEGOTIATION IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM.
BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO A PERMITS THAT DO RESULT IN MORE PARKLAND, MORE OPEN SPACE, MORE SOCIAL AMENITIES, THEY SHOULD GET CREDITED FOR ANY FEES THAT WOULD APPLY.
AND THAT STUDY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, WHERE YOU'RE IDENTIFYING THE DESIRED LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR, FOR PARKS AND REC, AND THEN YOU'RE FIGURING OUT THE APPROPRIATE WAYS TO GET THERE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT.
WE'RE KIND OF JUST LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR THAT, THAT STUDY, IF THAT, IF THAT WAS TO BE DONE, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL FEES WILL BE DETERMINED.
NO, I THINK THAT KIM BROUGHT US REAL TO THE POINT, IF IT'S, IF THE ORIGINAL OWNER ALREADY HAD 10 BUILD BIG PARK AND THEN SHOULD GET CREDIT, SO HE DOESN'T NEED TO PAY FOR ANY PART.
WE, WE OFTEN REFER TO THAT AS YOU CAN'T DOUBLE DIP, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
A REASONABLE LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY PROVIDED TO THE DEVELOPERS NEED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, AS THE TOWN HAS GOTTEN MUCH MORE INFILL IN NATURE, YOUR LAND COSTS ARE BUYING DEALS AND HAVING TO DO DEMO AND ALL THAT HERE MAKES DEVELOPERS END UP DOING MORE HIGH DENSITY.
SO THEY'RE CRAMMING PEOPLE IN TO SMALLER SITES, WHICH HIT ON INFRASTRUCTURE PERKS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN OTHER AREAS.
AND I MEAN, SOMETIMES THEY CAN'T BUILD PARKS IN THEIR SITES BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING EVERY OUNCE THAT THEY CAN TO BUILD THEIR SPACE OUT FOR THE MATH TO WORK.
IT SAYS AS A SCREEN PART, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IS A GREAT AREA FITTING THAT YES, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE HAVE SUCH A BIG EDISON SOCAL PARK RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO ACTUALLY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WE MAY NOT NEED THEM TO TAKE A LOT OF LAND FOR THE PARK.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO THINK, HAVE THESE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE USING SO MUCH SPACE THAN WHAT THEY'RE GIVING YOU OR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO GIVE YOU IS AN ORPHAN, RIGHT? SO AT THAT POINT TO MEET THE TIMELINE, TO GET SOME CASH OUT OF IT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD JENNA'S STRESS IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.
Y'ALL, Y'ALL NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY IF IT'S GOING TO BE BLAND OR FEE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE LAND IS JUST NOT GOING TO MAKE SENSE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE TOWNHOUSE.
YOU DON'T WANT THE DRAGS, HEY MATT, THIS IS MARLA.
UH, JUST ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I WANTED TO SHARE IS I LIKE, I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF US GETTING WORN, UH, EITHER THE PARKLAND OR, OR THE DEVELOPMENT FEE, BUT, BUT, UH, TO EILEEN'S POINT BOLT IS, SEEMS A LITTLE TOO MUCH TO ASK YOU.
MIGHT'VE BEEN OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL FEEDBACK, I THINK, TO, TO CRYSTALLIZE, UM, SOME OF OUR NEXT STEPS.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO CAUCUS INTERNALLY AND SEE WHAT WE PUT ON THE TABLE FOR YOU ALL TALK WITH YOUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY.
BUT, UM, UH, I THINK IN THE SHORT TERM, UH, GABBY AND ERIC, AND PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES OF COMMON OPEN SPACE LANGUAGE FROM OTHER PLACES, UH, FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD MODELS OUT THERE.
LIKE I SAY, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND Y'ALL CAN START TO GET A SENSE OF YOUR, YOUR COMFORT LEVEL WITH THOSE.
I'M GOING TO CIRCLE BACK TO PRIVATE STREETS JUST TO GET Y'ALL'S COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT ANYTHING ELSE ON PARKS BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'D LIKE TO ASK HIM OTHER THAN LAKE FOREST AND HOW MANY FIVE STREET IN EDISON, I WOULD NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT, UH, THIRD LANE.
BUT, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ISSUE, WE LOOK AT IT PRIMARILY IN CONTEXT OF, OF MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK THE PRIVATE STREET ISSUE WHERE IT DOES GET COMPLEX IS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH PURELY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, PARTICULARLY SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE THE CHALLENGE OF LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE AND THE COST OF THAT, UH, BECOME, UH, MORE OF A CHALLENGE FOR THOSE RESIDENTS TO BEAR OVER TIME.
UM, WHEN YOU HAVE MIXED USE THING ARE HEADED, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, A MIX OF USES
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THAT HAVE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND IT SEEMED MORE INVESTMENT AND MORE CHANGE.WE FEEL THAT THE PRIVATE STREETS ARE A REALLY GOOD TOOL AND IT'S A REALLY COMMON TOOL THAT'S USED IN THE REGION FROM THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
SO, SO KEN, COULD YOU GIVE US A SENSE INSTEAD OF TELLING US HOW MANY LANE MILES OF PRIVATE STREET WE HAVE, YOU GIVE US A SENSE OF THE TYPES OF PLACES WHERE THEY ARE UTILIZED.
I KNOW, I THINK MARA, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A PRIVATE STREETS.
I THINK TOWN BLAKE IS PRIVATE STREETS.
WHAT OTHER TYPES OF PLACES WOULD WE SEE PRIVATE STREETS?
UM, WHAT ARE, YOU'LL SEE AS WELL IS WHEN YOU HAVE NONRESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE DISTRICTS WITHIN A COMMUNITY THAT HAVE, UH, STREETS THAT LOOK PUBLIC.
SO THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS, THEY HAVE TREES WHEN THEY MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT DESIGN AND THE STANDARD CITY STREET, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY PRIVATE STREETS.
ALISON, THAT IS PROBABLY A DIFFERENT FROM OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION THAT MAKES THESE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE ADDISON CIRCLE AND VITRUVIAN ADDISON GROVE ARE PRIMARILY, THANK YOU AGAIN.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON PRIVATE STREETS OR SUBDIVISION IN GENERAL? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, MATT, UH, THIS IS, UH,
AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID RESIDENTIAL EXACTLY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE STREETS JUST GENERALLY.
ANY, ANY AREA RESIDENTIAL OR NON-RISK.
UM, YEAH, HERE, HERE'S MY COMMENT.
AND IT'S COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO, WHO, UH, OWNS A TOWN HOME, UM, IN A COMPLEX THAT HAS, UH, FIND, UH, STREETS.
AND, AND THE THOUGHT IS THIS IS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NOT, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH MORE RESIDENTIAL WE'RE GO TO BUILD OUT, BUT THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF FEW, FEW MORE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT, UH, THE TOWN, UM, ALLOW RESIDENTIAL, UM, ARE ONE, IF YOU WILL, UM, AND ALLOW PRIVATE STREETS IN THOSE AREAS, BECAUSE MY SITUATION I'M AN ORIGINAL OWNER AND, UM, LIKE A LOT OF VOTERS OVER TIME HOME TO MADISON, OUR TOWN WAKE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, UM, LAWN BROADER CONDUCT MEDIUMS. AND ALSO YOU'VE GOT LIKE DRIVE DRIVERS IS WHAT WAS MENTIONED, BUT IN MY SITUATION REALLY DIDN'T, YOU, YOU BUY YOUR HOME AND YOU MOST LIKELY ARE NOT GOING TO NOTICE, UM, THAT, THAT YOU'RE BUYING INTO PRIVATE STREETS UNLESS YOU'VE GOT A GATED COMMUNITY, WHICH NONE OF THESE PLACES THAT, THAT I JUST MENTIONED HAVE, UM, YOU HEAR ABOUT THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT YOU COULD HAVE A GATE, BUT IN OUR SITUATION, NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE FORK HAVE AS OF YET.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, W WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES, WE'VE GOT SOME STREET ISSUES DOWN, UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE IN THESE FOUR COMMUNITIES AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIGGER PROBLEM, UM, IN THE FUTURE, IN MY OPINION.
CAN YOU, I HAVE A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT SOMETHING, YOUR HOA FEES AND STUFF SHOULD BE ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE COVERING THE REPAIRS OR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT STREET, OR, OR, OR WHAT'S THE DISCONNECT, I GUESS I'M NOT FOLLOWING, UM, WELL, A COUPLE THINGS, UM, THE, I BELIEVE A LOT OF THEM, OR SOME OF THE HOS IN, IN ADDISON ARE, ARE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
THEY DON'T, I MEAN, HONESTLY, SOME OF THEM DON'T UNDERSTAND IT'S LIKE MEN, RIGHT? UM, YOU, YOU CAN REFER THEM TO A POINT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO REPLACE IT.
AND SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT SOME SUBSTANTIAL EIGHT BOARDS THAT DON'T REALIZE, NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE TO RESERVE CORRECTLY FOR, FOR REPLACEMENT OFFS TO THE STREET.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, I'M SORRY FOR REPAIR.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO REPAIRS, NOT GOING TO MAKE SENSE ANYMORE.
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HAVE TO HAVE SAVED FOR REPLACEMENT.UM, AND THAT, THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
LAKE FOREST IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
YOU'VE GOT WHAT, 15 DIFFERENT, MAYBE 15 DIFFERENT OWNERS.
YOU KIND OF GET 15 OWNERS TO GET ON BOARD AND PITCH IN OR MONEY FOR A, UH, FOR A REPLACEMENT.
UM, SO IT, IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT VARIOUS ISSUES, BUT THE, MAYBE THE, THE BIGGEST IS, UM, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO REPEAT IT, BUT, BUT YOU BUY IT TO A LOCATION AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DATA THAT'S GETTING THROWN AT YOU AT THE SAME TIME, AND YOU'RE SIGNING OFF ON A LOT OF THINGS.
AND I, HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ONE OWNER THAT LIVES IN MY COMPLEX, UM, THAT THAT REALIZED, HEY, PRIVATE STREETS MEANS YOU HAVE TO PAY TO REPAIR.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHEN THEY BUY THOSE, LIKE WATCH YOUR THERE, AND THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT'S PRIMARY STREET, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, THEN IT'S STEEPER AS TOM HALL GETTING AGED.
SO THERE'S ROAD NEED TO BE REPLACED.
THEN THEY KNOW, OH MAN, IT'S COST MILLIONS, MILLIONS.
EITHER PEOPLE ARE SO WEALTHY LIVE OVER LAKE FOREST.
YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO, TO PUT OUT MILLIONS, TO BUY 15 FAMILY, TO PAY FOR THEM, TO RECONSTRUCTING THE ENTIRE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, SINCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THEY ALWAYS HAVE AN ARGUMENT IS, OH, THERE'S SO MUCH PROPERTY TAXES.
AND THEN THEY SHOULDN'T ENJOY SOME KIND OF SERVICE, BUT, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE STREET IS PRIVATE STREET.
SO YEAH, ONE MORE SCENARIO THAT I'LL THROW OUT, THROW OUT AT YOU ALL, AS I'M IN MY SITUATION, TOWNHOMES OF ADDISON IS, UH, WE HAVE SHARED PRIVATE STREETS WITH BOB MAROTTA CONDOMINIUMS. UH, SO WHEN IT, WHEN IT IS TIME TO REPAIR OR REPLACE, UH, DO SOME OF THAT WORK, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA BE AGREED UPON BY BOTH BOTH PARTIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH GETS KIND OF BACK INTO THE SITUATION, UH, ON LAKE FOREST.
IT CAN GET A LITTLE DICEY ON, ON GETTING EVERYBODY TO AGREE OF, OF HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO BE PUT INTO GETTING THE STREETS BACK IN ORDER.
SEE WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU PURCHASE THAT AND IF THE BUILDER OR DEVELOPERS DEDICATE THE LAND TO THE CITY, AND THEN, THEN THAT'S BECOME A PUBLIC STREET CITY STREET, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
SO NOT ALL THE TIME, THE PRIVATE STREET IS GOOD.
AND I ASKED YOU I'D BE DOWN THERE.
RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY, WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE TONIGHT WITH ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS, BUT IT'S A GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF HOW PRIVATE STREETS CAN BE CHALLENGING IF THEY'RE NOT WELL-FUNDED OR IF THEY'RE THE WRONG LOCATION.
BUT ALSO I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE SAYS IT'S HARD TO GAIN ALL THE GATED COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCEPT.
WELL, THE AMBULANCE, PLEASE, WHEN DOES THE EMERGENCY, THEY WANT TO GET INTO IT.
THAT'S THE REASON WE DON'T ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO BE GATED, YOU KNOW? SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE LIVE ALL OVER THE STREET.
SO SOME GATED HOMES, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
AND, AND YOU ALL HAVE A RIGOROUS PROCESS THAT PRIVATE STREETS HAVE TO GO THROUGH NOW TO BE APPROVED.
THAT'S NOT IN THIS CRAFT, BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE THEM THERE IN PLACE FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
AND SO THOSE CAN BE CARRIED FORWARD.
UM, AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE A PRIVATE STREET.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST SAYING, WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT OPPORTUNITY OFF THE TABLE ALTOGETHER, MAYBE FOR MIXED USE AREAS OR SOME AREAS WHERE THEY POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE SOME VALUE.
WE'RE TRYING TO THROW THE NEEDLE HERE.
UM, RECOGNIZING THAT THEY DEFINITELY CAN BE PROBLEMATIC IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT NOT WANTING TO TAKE THEM ENTIRELY OUT OF THE, UM, OTHER COMMENTS ON ANYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S SOME DIVISION.
YOU DON'T WANT HIM TO ABRUPTLY STOP, BUT THAT'S REALLY HOW I SAID THAT WAS PROBABLY GONNA BE, WELL, YOU ENJOY, ENJOY MEETING BECAUSE WE CAN GET ALL THOSE, THE WAYS KINSEY COMMISSION.
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ALL RIGHT.WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
UH, AGAIN, WE'LL BE BACK, UH, IN THE FALL.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE US IN SEPTEMBER, SO YOU'LL HAVE A BREAK FROM US FOR A MONTH, BUT THEN WE'LL BE BACK IN THE FALL WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.