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          ALL RIGHT. 
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I WILL CALL 
          [ Call Meeting to Order      Mayor Joe Chow - Addison City Council      Eileen Resnik - Addison Planning & Zoning Commission]
THE MEETING TO ORDER COMMON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, LET'S DO A STAND UP FOR THE PATCH. 
          YEAH,   ALRIGHT. 
          UM, DO YOU WANT 
          [1.  Present and Discuss the Draft Unified Development Code Development Standards Addressing Parking and Loading, Site and Building Design, and Exterior Lighting.  ]
TO HAVE ONE ITEM NUMBER ONE, PRESENT, DISCUSS THE DRAFT UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, ADDRESSING PARKING AND LOADING SITE AND BUILDING DESIGN AND EXTERIOR LIGHTING. 
          ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND START. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CITY, COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. 
          PART TWO, AND AT ALL THE STANDARDS PHASE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT OF PROJECT, UH, AS PROMISED THE LAST MONTH, I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU VERY BUSY THIS SUMMER, AND TONIGHT HAS GOT A DIFFERENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL COMPONENTS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT, UH, PARKING BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS, AS WELL AS EXTERIOR LIGHTING STANDARDS. 
          UH, WE DID HAVE A VERY SPIRITED AND POSITIVE DISCUSSION WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE EARLIER TODAY. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO KICKING OFF THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO WELCOME BACK OUR PROJECT CONSULTANTS, MATT GOEBEL, AND JEREMY HART FROM CLARITY AND ASSOCIATES DISCUSSION. 
          ALL RIGHT, I'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE. 
          I, EVERYONE, UH, AGAIN, MATT, GOOGLE FROM CLAIRE. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. 
          THANKS FOR COMING. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? PERFECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A BIG ACTION PACKED AGENDA FOR YOU. 
          SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE AT JUST REMINDING YOU ABOUT, UH, THE SCOPE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS SLIDE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GROUND YOU AGAIN AND WHERE WE ARE IN THE OVERALL PROJECT. 
          WE ARE MIDWAY THROUGH MIDWAY THROUGH THE CODE DRAFTING THE CODE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF PART TWO, THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          UH, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SEE YOU FOR THE THIRD PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS DISCUSSION IN AUGUST. 
          UM, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT DATE LATER. 
          I THINK IT'S AUGUST 25TH. 
          UH, BUT THEN AFTER WE DO THAT, WE'LL HAVE FINISHED THE ROLL OUT OF PART TWO, AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO THE ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES. 
          PART OF THE CODE THAT'LL BE IN THE FALL. 
          AT THAT POINT, WE'LL HAVE THE BULK OF THE CODE OUT IN FIRST DRAFT. 
          WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL TOPICS THAT WILL COME LATER ON AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          FIRST PART OF THE 2022, UH, SCIENCE AND WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES. 
          THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. 
          THEY'RE PRETTY TARGETED. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BULK OF THE CODE OUT WHERE YOU IN THE FALL. 
          AND THEN JUST AS A REMINDER, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE REVISED VERSIONS OF ALL THIS MATERIAL IN A CONSOLIDATED DRAFT. 
          UH, PROBABLY FIRST PART OF 2022. 
          THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EVERYTHING PUT TOGETHER WITH ALL THE REVISIONS. 
          SO THAT'LL BE AN IMPORTANT MILESTONE, MAYBE BACK FOR MULTIPLE MEETINGS DURING THAT PROCESS. 
          AND OF COURSE, DURING THE ADOPTION PROCESS, WE'LL BE BACK MANY TIMES AS WELL. 
          SO THE TRAIN'S BACK ON TRACK, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE AND WE'RE EXCITED TO KEEP ROLLING ALL THIS STUFF OUT. 
          SO TONIGHT WE HAVE, UH, SOME IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO. 
          FIRST OF ALL, UH, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CONVEYOR. 
          NOW, KEN SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL THAT THIS IS AN ONLINE COMMENTING TOOL THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE. 
          AND THIS IS LARGE PART IN RESPONSE TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD IN JUNE. 
          YOU ALL SAID WE'RE HAVING GOOD CONVERSATIONS. 
          THESE ARE HIGH-LEVEL CONVERSATIONS. 
          WE'D LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAILED FEEDBACK. 
          AND WE HEARD SOME OF THAT SAME STUFF FROM THE COMMITTEE AS WELL. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ROLLING OUT THIS ONLINE COMMENTING TOOL AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF THIS MEETING, JUST WALKING YOU THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT, MAKING SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE IT AND ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          CAUSE TONIGHT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET THE BIG PICTURE OUT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DETAILED QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR US, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOOL FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL SPEND THE BALANCE OF THE MEETING TALKING ABOUT THESE, THESE BIG SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES. 
          AND I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THOSE IN A FEW MINUTES, PARKING AND BUILDING DESIGN AND LIGHTING. 
          BUT FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO GABBY AND SHE'S GOING TO WALK US THROUGH CONVEYANCE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO LIKE MATT MENTIONED CONVEO IS A DIGITAL OUTREACH PLATFORM WHERE YOU CAN UPLOAD PDFS AND IT MAKES IT REALLY EASY TO COMMENT ON THE PDF AS WELL AS INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND YOUR COMMENTS, UM, ON THE DRAFT, UM, WE'LL BE USING THIS MOVING FORWARD, LIKE ALL OF THE PUBLIC DRAFTS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT MODULES. 
          AND SO, UM, HOW DO USE CONVEO, YOU WILL SEE THIS HOMEPAGE BASED ON THAT WEBSITE AND, UM, KEN SENT THE LINK TO YOU OR BORE, AND THERE IS 
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A PASSWORD IT'S PASSWORD PROTECTED BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE MODULES, ONE FOR YOU ALL AND ONE FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          SO YOUR PASSWORD WILL WORK FOR YOUR DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S, ADISON UDC ONE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO SEND YOU ALL OF HIS INFORMATION AGAIN AS WELL, CHANGE THE PASSWORD . 
          SO WHEN DO YOU GET TO THE, UM, DOCUMENT? IT WILL. 
          UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE PDF TABLE OF CONTENTS, UM, HAS LINKS TO ALL OF THESE ARE HYPERLINKED. 
          UM, YOU CAN GO TO SPECIFIC SECTIONS OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          UM, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP, SAY TO PARKING IMMEDIATELY, THEN YOU CAN JUST CLICK ON ONE OF THOSE RATHER THAN HAVING TO SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO IT. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A SCROLL BAR ON THE RIGHT SIDE, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR IMAGE, IF YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING IT, IT'S THIS GREEN BAR AT THE TOP EXIT OUT OF IT, AND IT'LL BE UP THERE. 
          IT'S JUST HIDDEN FROM IT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEN ALSO AT THE TOP LEFT-HAND CORNER, THERE'S THESE TWO BLUE BUTTONS, THE BUTTON WITH THE EYE TAKES YOU TO THE PROJECT WEBSITE PAGE. 
          AND THE QUESTION MARK, UM, GIVES YOU AN EMAIL AND IS MY EMAIL. 
          IF YOU WERE HAVING TROUBLE WITH CONVEO GO AHEAD AND SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I'M HAPPY TO HELP. 
          UM, AND IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN JUST GO, UM, ABOUT WHEN YOU FIRST SEE THE DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE THIS, EXPLORE THE DOCUMENT FEATURE, POP UP. 
          AND, UM, IT'S JUST A REALLY QUICK OVERVIEW OF ALL THE MAJOR SECTIONS IN THE DOCUMENT. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS DOCUMENT, IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE YOU TO HURRICANE LANDSCAPING, UM, LIGHTING THOSE SORTS OF THINGS AND GIVE YOU LIKE A ONE SENTENCE SUMMARY. 
          UM, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO JUST, UM, FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO READ IN THE DOCUMENT FOR GOING BACK THROUGH AND DOING YOUR DETAILED COMMENTING. 
          UM, SO JUST TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO LEAVE A COMMENT IN THIS, UM, INTERFACE UM, IF YOU CLICK ON, UM, ANY OF THE, UM, FOR YOU ALL, YOU'LL DO THE COUNCIL AND Z THE NEW SPECIAL PASSWORD THAT WILL BE CREATED ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE. 
          AND SO THE DRAFT IS THERE AND YOU CAN EXIT OUT OF THAT GREEN BAR AND YOU'LL SEE THIS ROLE, UM, THERE'S THE EXPLORE, THE DOCUMENT FEATURE. 
          UM, SO IF WE GO TO, UM, YEAH, I WILL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, A COMMENT THAT HAS BEEN LEFT AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE FINE IF YOU USE THE, EXPLORE THE DOCUMENT AT THE BOTTOM THERE AND CLICK, UM, IT'LL ACTUALLY EVENTUALLY GET YOU STRAIGHT TO THE PARKING. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OH, SORRY. 
          I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW YOU'RE IN ZONING AND YEAH, THERE ARE COMMENTS IN THIS ONE, BUT YOU CAN SHOW THEM HOW TO CREATE A COMMENT REALLY QUICK. 
          SO YOU WILL SEE YOU AT YOUR MOUSE TURNS INTO A LITTLE PLUS SIGN IF YOU JUST, UM, SO THERE'S A LITTLE PLUS SIGN ON THAT. 
          SO IF YOU ARE READING THIS AND YOU SEE THAT, UM, THE MINIMUM FLOOR AREA FOR DWELLING IS 500 SQUARE FEET AND YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE 600, THEN YOU COULD CLICK THERE. 
          UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT YOUR NAME AND EMAIL, UM, BUT YOU CAN, AND, UM, THIS COMMENT TYPE OPTION, UM, THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM COMMENT OR QUESTION. 
          SO IF 
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YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR QUESTION ABOUT WHERE A STANDARD CAME FROM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, FEEL FREE TO LEAVE IT. 
          UM, WE, UM, ARE NOT EXPECTING TO REPLY INDIVIDUALLY TO ALL OF THE COMMENTS, BUT WE WILL DOWNLOAD ALL OF THEM AND TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE ARE DRAFTING THE REVISIONS TO THE STANDARDS AT THE POINT OF THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFT. 
          AND THEN IF YOU SEE WHEN A COMMENT SHOWS UP, UM, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REPLY TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S COMMENT, AS WELL AS, UM, THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN IT. 
          UM, UM, WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE CORDIAL INTERACTION VIA THIS, BUT, UH, IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING WAY TO COMMENT ON AN EXACT LOCATION OF A DOCUMENT. 
          SO IN THAT COMMENT, YOU DON'T NEED TO SAY STANDARD 8.1, TWO, A ONE FOR US, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE EXACTLY YOU COMMENTED ON IT. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES YOUR LIFE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR COMMENTING REASONS. 
          UM, AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OFF THE BAT? UM, ALL REASONABLE. 
          WELL, GO AHEAD. 
          I WAS GOING TO SAY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT WHEN THIS IS ALL DONE. 
          COULD THAT BE THE SAME SYSTEM TO UTILIZE FOR THE DEVELOPERS IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND TO, TO COMMENT ON YOUR COMMENT, BUT ASK A QUESTION LIKE IF THEY'RE SCROLLING THROUGH AND THEY CAN GO AND ASK A QUESTION THEN. 
          GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO JUST AS BACKGROUND, WE DID NOT DEVELOP THIS. 
          THIS IS DEVELOPED BY ANOTHER FIRM THAT WE WORK WITH BASED IN DENVER. 
          UM, THIS IS THEIR SOFTWARE, IT'S A SUBSCRIPTION BASED MODEL. 
          AND SO, UH, WE'RE BASICALLY LOCKING IT IN FOR A YEAR FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT YOU DEFINITELY COULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DIFFERENT SITUATION, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, THEY'RE PRETTY CREATIVE FOLKS TOO. 
          SO I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY WORK WITH YOU TO TAILOR IT TO DIFFERENT. 
          I CAN SEE THAT BEING USEFUL FOR DEVELOPERS IS GOING THROUGH. 
          THERE'S LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS AND HE'S JUST SCROLLING THROUGH STUFF. 
          AND HE CAN JUST ASK A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT A SPECIFIC ITEM REALLY QUICKLY. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP TODAY TOO, WAS WITH THE COMMITTEE WAS THE BIG, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK IS A LITTLE CLUNKY ABOUT THIS, THIS PLATFORM IS THAT IT'S HARD TO SEE ALL THE COMMENTS TOGETHER. 
          AND SO, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN DOWNLOAD ALL THE COMMENTS AT ONE TIME. 
          WE CAN JUST KIND OF HIT A BUTTON AND IT'S ALL DOWNLOADED INTO AN EXCEL FILE. 
          AND SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND COMMIT TO DOING THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT AFTER THE FILE HAS BEEN UP LONG ENOUGH, AND THEN WE CAN SEND THAT SET OF CONSOLIDATED FEEDBACK TO KEN AND HE CAN SHARE IT WITH YOU ALL. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S JUST A HELPFUL OVERVIEW BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE TO DO NOW TO SEE THE COMMENTS, CAUSE YOU KIND OF HAVE TO DO A HUNT AND SEARCH FOR THEM AND JUST TO LOOK AT EACH PAGE. 
          SO IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO MAKE COMMENTS, BUT JUST TO GET THAT VISUAL OVERVIEW, THAT'S NOT QUITE AS USER FRIENDLY AS IT COULD BE, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS. 
          WE THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LEAP FOR US. 
          WE, WE HAVE USED THIS IN OUR FIRM ON COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROJECTS. 
          SO KIND OF A VISION TYPE STUFF. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE DOING IT TO THIS SCALE ON A DRAFT CODE, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK REALLY WELL, THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO JUMP IN THE WATER AND SEE HOW IT WORKS TOGETHER. 
          ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO IS ANYBODY TRIED TO USE THIS YET? YES, WE DID GET SOME COMMENTS FROM YOU EILEEN. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANKS. 
          THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. 
          AND WE'VE HAD ABOUT THREE OR FOUR OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SO JUMPED INTO IT AS WELL, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE SPENT A LOT OF COMMENTS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THE FIRST SET OF ORIGIN. 
          THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THE CONVEYOR. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE UP THERE AS WELL. 
          WE, ONE MORE THING ABOUT COMING UP. 
          WE ARE LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS THAT WE CAN HAVE UP AT ONE TIME. 
          AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THESE INDIVIDUAL MODULES UP FOREVER. 
          AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THEM OFFLINE SO THAT WE CAN START UPLOADING NEW STUFF. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THE OLD STUFF, LIKE MODULE ONE, GO AHEAD AND TRY TO MAKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SIX WEEKS, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THAT DOWN TO LOAD UP THE CONSOLIDATED VERSION AND ALSO THE NEW MODULES. 
          ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT SAID, LET'S GO TO THE SUBSTANTIVE PART OF THE MEETING AGENDA. 
          WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          AND WE'VE GOT THREE MEATY TOPICS ON THE, ON THE TABLE TONIGHT. 
          AND THEY'RE ALL PRETTY DIFFERENT. 
          I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. 
          THESE ARE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT TO JUST THE OVERALL LOOK AND FEEL OF THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT IN ADDISON. 
          FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PARKING AND LOAD IT. 
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IT'S A, IT'S A CAR ORIENTED SOCIETY THAT WE LIVE IN AND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES IN ZONING CODES THAT DEAL WITH PARKING. 
          AND SO YOU HAVE SOME PARKING STANDARDS IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCES. 
          THEY'RE FRAGMENTED. 
          WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS DRAFT IS CONSOLIDATE THEM, BUT TRY TO UPGRADE THEM IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE THERE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, I THINK, A MEETING CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF PARKING THERE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SITE AND ESPECIALLY BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          NOW THAT'D BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. 
          AGAIN, YOU'RE DOING SOME STUFF AND SOME PARTS OF IT, ADDISON ORDINANCES, WE DRAFTED SOME STANDARDS THAT MOVE THE BALL FORWARD FOR A CITY-WIDE APPROACH, BUT WE HAVE TO DO THIS IN THE BACKGROUND OF NEW STATE LEGISLATION THAT LIMITS WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN DO TO REGULATE CERTAIN THINGS IN THAT AREA. 
          AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, MAYBE SOME TOOLS OUTSIDE THE CODE TO COMPLIMENT WHAT WE DO IN THE CODE ITSELF. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT LIGHTING, EXTERIOR LIGHTING. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF DEVELOPMENT QUALITY AS WELL. 
          A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WORK IN INCREASINGLY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WAY BUILDINGS ARE LIGHTED, PARKING, LOTS ARE LIGHTED, ALL THAT KIND OF THING CAN HAVE, UM, A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE WAY PEOPLE PERCEIVE THEIR ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND SO THEY REGULATE THAT IN DEVELOPMENT CODES, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY NEW TO ADDISON. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH NOW. 
          AND SO, UH, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU JUST ABOUT KIND OF THE SCALE AND THE AGGRESSIVENESS THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT AREA. 
          SO THREE VERY DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. 
          UM, FOR ALL OF THEM, I WOULD GIVE YOU JUST SOME, UH, INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS TO THINK ABOUT HOW HAS THE TOWN BEEN DOING IN THE PAST ON THESE ISSUES? UH, HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY HAD MAINTAINED ITS POSITION AT THE FOREFRONT IN THE METROPLEX AND REGULATING A BUILDING DESIGN, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, HOW DO YOU THINK THE TOWN HAS DONE OVERALL? WHAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH, MOVING FORWARD, BE THINKING ABOUT BALANCE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WITH ALL PARTS OF THE ZONING CODE, THERE'S REAL ISSUES HERE IN REGULATING THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND IN SHORT-TERM COSTS TO AN APPLICANT MAYBE IN COMPLYING WITH HIGHER STANDARDS VERSUS LONG-TERM VALUE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE TO A COMMUNITY AND INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES OVERALL, BUT CREATING LASTING VALUE. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF BALANCING QUESTIONS INVOLVED IN REGULATING BUILDING DESIGN AND REGULATING PARKING. 
          AND SO JUST, JUST BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE, THOSE ISSUES AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE TOPICS. 
          SO LET'S JUMP INTO THE FIRST ONE. 
          AND WHEN WE DO THESE PRESENTATIONS ON THESE TOPICS, UM, I FIND IT'S HELPFUL TO JUST START OFF WITH JUST A LOT OF PICTURES. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO JUST GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT THE, THE REAL, REAL WORLD THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          READING ZONING, ORBITS TEXTS CAN BE KIND OF DRY. 
          SO IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE PICTURES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THESE ARE FOR THE MOST PART, PICTURES ARE OUT OF SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TAKEN ON OUR PRIOR TRIPS. 
          THE PARKING AND LOADING SECTION OF THE CODE COVERS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          THESE PHOTOS ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOOD EXAMPLES. 
          THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY BAD EXAMPLES. 
          THEY'RE JUST KIND OF GETTING YOU THINKING ABOUT THE TYPES OF PLACES THAT ARE ADDRESSED BY THESE STANDARDS. 
          SO ZONING ORDINANCE IS TRADITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST, YOU KNOW, 70, 80 YEARS HAVE, HAVE SET OFF STREET, MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO A DEVELOPMENT SHALL PROVIDE X NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE VISITORS TO THAT SITE. 
          SOMETIMES THEY ALSO SET A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SPACES AS WELL. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE THIS SEA OF PARKING. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT A UNIFORM APPROACH ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          INCREASINGLY WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME PLACES MOVE AWAY FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS ALTOGETHER. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, SOME COMMUNITIES, UH, PRIDE THEMSELVES ON BEING PROGRESSIVE AND THEY'RE MOVING AWAY FROM PARK. 
          UH, UH, BUFFALO, NEW YORK IS AN EXAMPLE OF A BIGGER COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S GOTTEN RID OF PARKING ALTOGETHER. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT HAVE EXEMPTED SAY THEIR DOWNTOWN FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS ALTOGETHER. 
          SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU THAT FIRST NATIONAL CONTEXT, BUT THIS IS TEXAS. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING GETTING AWAY FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE'RE STILL, WE STILL HAVE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS PROPOSED IN THE CODE. 
          SO THAT'S THE BASELINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIRED, BUT CONES ALSO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVES TO PARKING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MANY CODES ALLOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ON STREET PARKING, LOCATED NEAR THE DEVELOPMENT TO COUNT TOWARDS AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE MINIMUM REQUIRED SPACES. 
          YOU'LL ALLOW THAT NOW IN THE ADDISON CODE, THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A PARKING ALTERNATIVE. 
          ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A PARKING ALTERNATIVE MIGHT BE SOME TYPE OF SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT WHERE YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT LAND USES LOCATED NEXT TO EACH OTHER, AND THEY ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TO SHARE THEIR SPACES. 
          ONE OF THE CLASSIC EXAMPLES OF THIS IS LIKE A CHURCH IN A RESTAURANT THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND THEY'VE GOT DIFFERENT HOURS OF PEAK USE, YOU KNOW, SUNDAY MORNING VERSUS SATURDAY NIGHT. 
          AND SO THEY, THEY GET TOGETHER AND THEY, THEY, THEY SAY WE'VE GOT THIS SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT WHERE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE 
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AS MUCH PARKING AS WE WOULD HAVE BOTH INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER AND AGREE TO SHARE THE BASIS THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, AN IMPORTANT PART OF PARKING REGULATION IS ALSO JUST THE PHYSICAL LAYOUT OF THE PARKING ITSELF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU REQUIRING LANDSCAPED ISLANDS, YOU KNOW, TO SEPARATE OUT SOME OF THESE SPACES, ARE YOU REQUIRING TREES TO BE PLANTED? UM, HOW MANY SPACES CAN BE, UM, LOCATED BETWEEN THE BUILDING OF THE, ALL THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES ARE REGULARLY? WHAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST IN STRUCTURED PARKING, UH, LIKE THIS NEARBY EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT NEED TO LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS IN TERMS OF ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREETS? UH, SOME COMMUNITIES INCREASINGLY, UH, WOULD, IF IT'S ON A BUSY STREET, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO PROVIDE A RETAIL SPACE AT THE GROUND FLOOR OF THAT PARKING GARAGE, UM, TO ACTIVATE THAT PEDESTRIAN SPACE. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST A WHOLE THING THAT'S COVERED IN THIS TOPIC AS WELL. 
          UM, DRILLING DOWN INTO THE NITTY GRITTY, HOW BIG DOES EACH SPACE HAVE TO BE? UH, HOW BIG DOES DRY PRIVATE I'LL HAVE TO BE? ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE PART OF THE ISSUES HERE AS WELL. 
          SO A LOT OF KIND OF QUALITY MAKING FEATURES ARE PART OF THIS CODE. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING IN TO DROP OFF EQUIPMENT OR TO SERVICE THE SITE, THE VEHICLE LOADING AREAS, HOW MANY ARE REQUIRED? WHERE, WHERE SHOULD THEY BE ON THE SITE? THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. 
          WHAT ABOUT PARTICULAR TYPES OF USES THAT HAVE REALLY, UH, SIGNIFICANT PARKING DEMANDS? WHAT ABOUT THAT CROWDED STARBUCKS DOWN THE STREET, UM, YOU KNOW, CODES INCREASINGLY WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY CALL STACKING SPACES. 
          SO THEY WOULD SPECIFY FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH PHARMACY OR A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, HOW MANY STACKING SPACES YOU HAVE TO HAVE, AND OTHER KINDS OF ACCESS PROVISIONS ON THAT SITE TO ENSURE THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY CONGESTED AND YOU'RE NOT SPILLING OVER TRAFFIC ONTO THE ADJACENT STREETS. 
          SO THAT'S MY PICTURE SHOW FOR PARKING. 
          AND IT'S JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL, IT'S JUST A SENSE OF THE RANGE OF ISSUES THAT ARE COVERED HERE. 
          NOW, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS SECTION IS ORGANIZED, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE KEY CHANGES. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST A TABLE OF CONTENTS, JUST TO SHOW YOU ORGANIZATION OF IDEAS. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT A PURPOSE INAPPLICABILITY APPLICABILITY STATEMENT. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME PROVISIONS ABOUT HOW YOU CALCULATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          THEN WE'VE GOT THE TABLE ITSELF OF MINIMUM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. 
          UH, THEN WE HAVE SOME PROPOSED STANDARDS FOR MAXIMUM SPACE. 
          SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          THEN WE HAVE, SO THESE ARE THE BASELINES. 
          THE MINIMUM IS THE MAX BOOKS. 
          THEN WE HAVE A WHOLE SET OF PARKING ALTERNATIVES, BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          BASICALLY LET PEOPLE HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THEY PROVIDE PARKING ON THE SITE. 
          THEN WHEN WE GET INTO THIS ALL, I'LL JUST KIND OF LAY OUT STUFF, BUT LAYOUT AND DESIGN THINGS. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE LOADING AREA STANDARDS STANDARDS FOR DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES? WE HAVE PROPOSED NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR BIKE PARKING. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN WE CLOSE OUT THIS SECTION BY TALKING ABOUT HOW PARKING AREAS ARE USED AND MAINTAINED. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ORGANIZATION. 
          WHAT ARE SOME OF THE KEY CHANGES THAT ARE IN THIS DRAFT? UM, FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS THIS TABLE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND IF Y'ALL HAVE THE HARD COPY, IT STARTS ON PAGE 20. 
          UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS SEVERAL THINGS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE HERE. 
          THIS TIME IS ORGANIZED BY THE USES ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THAT USELESS MIRRORS, THE USELESS THAT YOU ALREADY SAW BACK IN THE FIRST MODULE. 
          AND SO THE INTENT MOVING FORWARD IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR EVERY USE. 
          THAT'S ALLOWED TO ADDISON. 
          THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF LAND USES THAT JUST DON'T HAVE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT SPECIFIED. 
          AND SO THAT LEAVES A LOT OF THINGS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION AND DISCUSSION WITH STAFF. 
          SO JUST, JUST THAT, THAT DISCIPLINE OF HAVING A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR HAVING A REQUIREMENT FOR REUSE IS IMPORTANT. 
          NOW, THE WAY THIS TABLE IS LAID OUT, THIS IS A WORKING TABLE AND WE'VE GOT THE MINIMUM, UH, CURRENT REQUIREMENT FROM ADDISON. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT A PROPOSED REQUIREMENT, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT, WELL, SOME OF THESE CELLS ARE JUST BLANK AGAIN, CAUSE SOME USERS JUST DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT, BUT FOR SOME USES, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A KIND OF A FRAGMENTED SYSTEM OF CURRENT REQUIREMENTS THAT IS DISTRICT BASED. 
          AND SO THAT BELTLINE DISTRICT THAT WAS PROPOSED HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR OFFICE TO HAVE ONE PER 200 SQUARE FEET. 
          I WROTE FOR SOME OTHER DISTRICTS, LOCAL RETAIL, THE SAME ONES, ET CETERA, ADDISON CIRCLE ONE PER 300 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT A BIT OF A FRAGMENTED SYSTEM. 
          THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS FOR A LOT OF USES WHERE YOU HAVE THE SAME USE, YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT RATIOS AND THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS DRAFT PROPOSES IS A SIMPLIFICATION OF THAT. 
          JUST ONE NUMBER CITYWIDE. 
          REMEMBER WE'VE TALKED TO PRIOR MEETINGS ABOUT TRYING TO 
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MOVE FROM A TOWN BASED OR A DISTRICT BASED APPROACH TO AN OVERALL TOWN BASED APPROACH, A SIMPLER STANDARD ONE STANDARD FOR ALL OF ADDISON. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS DRAFT DOES NOW. 
          THIS IS INFORMED BY JUST CODES THAT WE DRAFT GENERALLY, AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE LOOKING AT NATIONAL STANDARDS, BUT IT'S ALSO REALLY INFORMED BY PURE COMMUNITY RESEARCH. 
          AND BY THAT WE MEAN LOCAL COMMUNITIES. 
          WE MEAN CARROLLTON, FARMERS, BRANCH, WE MEAN PLANE. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT A TABLE OF THESE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. 
          WHEN WE STARTED THIS PART OF THE PROJECT, WE WERE TOLD BY YOUR STAFF, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE A NATIONAL COMPARISONS. 
          WE WANT TO SEE SOME OF THE LOCAL COMPARISONS OF WHAT OTHER FOLKS ARE DOING IN NORTH TEXAS. 
          AND SO THESE NUMBERS ARE ALL GOING TO REALLY BE INFORMED BY THAT LOCAL STUFF. 
          SO WHENEVER YOU SEE PEER COMMUNITIES, THAT'S THE LOCALS. 
          SURE. 
          UM, ON THAT POINT, BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SOMEWHAT FLUMMOXED BY THE APPARENT RANDOMNESS OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AND SO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EVEN MORE 300 COMES FROM REGARDS TO THE OTHER ONES. 
          IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING CONVERSATION LIKE THE HAT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CASE YOU'RE USING GROSS FOOT AND IF TAKE A RESTAURANT, FOR INSTANCE, SMALL RESTAURANT AND OVER HALF A RESTAURANT COULD JUST BE KITCHEN AND STORAGE. 
          AND SO YOU'VE GOT A VERY SMALL REQUIREMENT FOR PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMING TO A RESTAURANT THAT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY MAY NEED 30 SPACES, BUT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR TABLES THAT THEY'RE SITTING, I'M ASSUME ONE TABLE FOR SPACE, THEY ONLY NEED 10. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'LL CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THAT SITUATION AND GO 300 AND APPROPRIATE HERE. 
          YOU WILL, EVEN IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE 300 FOR THAT COMES WELL AND THE 300, IT'S IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THIS ROUGH BLACK BOX OF, OF NATIONAL RESEARCH THAT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ON, YOU KNOW, BASED ON DEMAND FOR TYPICAL EXAMPLES OF THAT FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT'S BASE, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES HAVE TRIED TO TAILOR THAT, BUT IT'S A BIT OF A BLACK BOX, HONESTLY. 
          UM, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE, BUT THERE IS A PROVISION IN THIS NEW DRAFT IT'S CALLED DIRECTOR DETERMINATION. 
          AND BASICALLY LET'S SEE SOMEBODY COME IN AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, I'VE GOT SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THAT UNIQUE RESTAURANT LAYOUT. 
          AND SO I DON'T THINK I NEED THE ONE FOR 300 SQUARE FEET. 
          I'VE GOT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I GUESS, BACK TO THE ISSUE WITH SUP'S AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          NOW WE'RE HAVING PULLING OUT UNIQUE SIX SITUATIONS FOR EVERY PERSON THAT COMES IN FOR PERMIT IT'S RUNNING AWAY FROM IT WORKS. 
          WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, UM, OBJECTIVITY AND SUBJECTIVITY. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE BALL FORWARD BY GIVING YOU A NEW CLEAR BASELINE THAT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY. 
          WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY FOR A SITE-SPECIFIC CONSIDERATION WORK POSSIBLE, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME CRITERIA AND THE DRAFT THAT SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF KEN'S GOING TO DO THAT, THAT DECISION HAS TO BE GROUNDED IN SOME RESEARCH, UM, BASED ON NATIONAL INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE ON, ON PARKING DEMAND MANAGEMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE HAD A SIMILAR PROVISION IN THE LAST COMMUNITY I WORKED IN. 
          SO TYPICALLY WITH A SCENARIO LIKE THAT, THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF ARGUMENT ANALYSIS. 
          I MEAN, THERE WILL BE USES THAT WE HAVE SOMETIMES IS AS CONDITIONS EVOLVE, THAT THERE REALLY IS NOT A GOOD PRECEDENT FOR THAT USE IN THAT PARKING ANALYSIS IS A KEY COMPONENT OF DETERMINING HOW IT COULD BE A BROKER LIKE CARD. 
          AND SO, UH, DOING THAT STUDY, UH, PROVIDING OTHER RESOURCES, LOOKING AT HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE TREATMENT, FINDING PRECEDENT, EXAMPLES OF THAT USE OF SAY, IF THEY HAVE A LOCATION IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY DOWN THE ROAD, USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, USING DATA FROM THAT EXAMPLE, THAT WILL BE THE DRIVER. 
          IT'S NOT, UH, IT WON'T BE ME JUST SAYING, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE GROUNDED IN SOUND ANALYSIS CAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DEFENDABLE ABOUT THE NEXT RESTAURANT THAT COMES IN POINTS TO THAT LAST CASE IS THAT WE ONLY NEED 10 SPACES. 
          THAT'S ALL I WANT OUT OF YOUR EXPERIENCE. 
          WAS THERE EVER APP THAT CAME IN THAT DIDN'T ASK FOR SOMETHING? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T EVERY SINGLE TIME. 
          I WOULD GUESS THAT 90% OF WHAT I ASKED THEY TO ASK FOR SOME KIND OF VARIANCE OR SOME EXCEPTION, I'D SAY MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THE PARKING STANDARDS THAT WERE PRESCRIBED IN THOSE COMMUNITIES WORK FOR MOST BUSINESSES. 
          I THINK YOU'LL HAVE SOME, AND I THINK IT'S MORE AN INDICATOR OF WHERE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, THE PARKING STANDARDS THAT WERE ADOPTED WERE NOT CALIBRATED. 
          WELL, THE KEY PART OF THIS IS FIRST STARTING AT A GOOD POINT WHERE WE HAVE WELL CALIBRATED STANDARDS, THE RESEARCH THAT MATT AND GADDY ARE DOING ARE GOING TO GET US TO THAT POINT. 
          ONE OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU SEE FROM THE CURRENT CONDITION IS ACTUALLY OUR RESTAURANT PARKING RATIO. 
          IT'S GOING FROM 71 TO 100, WHICH IS CONSISTENT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. 
          SO HAVING THAT GOOD STARTING POINT AND NOT STARTING WITH BAD, UH, 
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STANDARDS IS REALLY ELIMINATES MUCH OF THOSE ISSUES, BUT THERE WILL STILL BE, UH, UM, APPLICANTS THAT DO WANT THAT, THAT VARIATION AND THEY'LL NEED TO GO THE EXTRA MILE AND PROVIDE THAT ANALYSIS TO SUPPORT IT. 
          AND IF THE ANALYSIS DOESN'T SUPPORT IT, IT REALLY SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD BE APPROVED. 
          SO WITH DIRECTOR DETERMINATION, THEN ONCE YOU MAKE YOUR ASSESSMENT, DOES THAT GO TO PLANNING AND SETTLING AND THEN HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? WELL, I THINK WITH THAT, WE'RE STARTING TO GET INTO A COMPONENT OF THE NEXT STEP OF THIS PROCESS IN TERMS OF WHAT GOES TO PMC AND COUNCIL AND WHAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          THERE WILL BE SOME APPLICATIONS WHERE THAT MAY BE THE CASE WHERE I'M MAKING A DETERMINATION ON SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT ULTIMATELY GO TO P AND Z AND COUNCIL. 
          BUT IF IT IS SAY DONE IN, UM, CONCURRENTLY TO A REZONING REQUEST, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SEE AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY THAT PROVISION IS CALIBRATED TO WHAT THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WANT TO INCLUDE IN THAT. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT THAT WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK ON TO, UH, FIND A POSITION THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF DISCRETION THAT MYSELF AND MY STAFF HAS AND WHAT DISCRETION, UH, OR WHAT DECISIONS NEED TO STAY WITH P AND Z. 
          YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU PERSONALLY AND YOUR STAFF. 
          BUT AS I LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF LADIES WHERE THEIR DIRECTOR DETERMINATION, THERE IS NOTHING THERE FOR A BASIS FOR DETERMINATION. 
          SO I LIKE TO HAVE MORE DETAIL THERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          AND, UM, THERE WILL BE SOME CONSIDERATIONS WHERE THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE, BUT DEFINITELY WANT THESE TWO BODIES FEEDBACK ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS DELEGATING AUTHORITY DOMAIN BEYOND WHAT MAY ALREADY BE IN THE CODE THAT WE HAVE TODAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I WANT TO BE, I, I ECHO WHAT YOU THAT'S WAS MY TAKEAWAY WHEN I WAS READING ALL THE STUFF THAT A LOT OF DISCRETION ON YOUR STAFF'S PART, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU GUYS IN A BAD SITUATION THAT YOU'RE MAKING THE DECISIONS AND THEN PEOPLE WERE COMING AFTER STAFF ABOUT, ABOUT CERTAIN DEALS. 
          SO HOW WE HANDLE THAT, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A DELICATE THING. 
          WE TRIED THAT BEFORE WITH SIGN CUPBOARD, WE USED TO CALL IT A CHAMBER WHEN THE CHAIR CHANDLER OR WHATEVER. 
          AND SO WE HAD A GUY, HE WAS AN OLD, OLDER HEAD OF BUILDING INSPECTION. 
          HE WOULD MAKE DECISIONS ON SIGNED CODES AND STUFF. 
          HE THOUGHT, YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE. 
          AND THEN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THEY'D CATCH HECK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING A DECISION. 
          WHY DO WE KEPT COMING TO COUNCIL? WHY DID YOU DECIDE THIS AND LET IT GET THROUGH? SO, YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE REALLY SPEAKS TO THIS ISSUE AS WELL IS WHERE THERE ARE DISCRETIONARY PROCESSES IN THE CODE, HAVING THE CRITERIA THAT IS USED BY MYSELF AND MY STAFF ENSURING THAT IT'S OBJECTIVE AND NOT SUBJECTIVE TO WHERE I'M NOT MAKING JUDGMENT CALLS THAT ARE JUST DATA, MY PREFERENCE ON A CERTAIN POSITION. 
          SO HAVING CLEAR CRITERIA TO SUPPORT THAT JUDGMENT IS VERY HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT TOM WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          YOU COULD WAKE UP ONE DAY AFTER TWO OR THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER THE TIME PERIOD HAPPENS TO BE. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE FLOATING AROUND AND NOBODY REALLY LIKES, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN SO LONG AS YOU HAVE GREAT PEOPLE IN THE JOB? IT'S NOT A WORRY, BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK CHECKS AND BALANCES FOR SURE. 
          THAT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING AHEAD INTO THE NEXT MODULE, WHICH IS ALL ABOUT THE PROCEDURES. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA JUST, I'M GONNA TRY TO REEL US BACK INTO PARKING A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I'M REALLY GLAD Y'ALL ARE ZEROING IN ON THAT ISSUE OF DISCRETION. 
          UM, THE INTENT IS TO NEVER JUST GIVE STAFF UNFETTERED DISCRETION IN THIS CODE, IT ALWAYS SHOULD BE GROUNDED IN CRITERIA. 
          AND I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE, THE, THE RESEARCH THAT HAS TO BE DONE FOR THAT PARKING DETERMINATION AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT THAT THAT'S THE ATTEMPT MOVING FORWARD IS IT'S NEVER UNFETTERED DISCRETION TO THE STAFF. 
          UM, SO TOM HAS ONE MORE THING TO SAY ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DO THAT ONE. 
          SORRY, ONE MORE THING. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA, I WAS JUST GOING TO WARN EVERYBODY THAT YOU KNOW, THAT IT CAN BE ANY DATA CAN BE, YOU CAN GET ANY RESULT FROM IT. 
          AND I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE TRAFFIC STUDIES. 
          I SWEAR, LET US LIKE, THEY TAKE THE DATA AND THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA MANIPULATE IT TO WHAT THEY WANT IT TO SAY. 
          IT'S THE SAME THING SOMETIMES WITH PARKING, I'M SAYING ALL THIS STUFF, BUT I'M THE, I'M PROBABLY OPPOSITE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM. 
          I'M ON THE OTHER END. 
          I WOULD SAY, IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, YOU CAN DEVELOP IT. 
          YOU'VE FIGURED 
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OUT HOW MUCH PARKING YOU NEED. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING CODES, BUT, BUT AT THE SAME, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP GOING THERE, BUT THAT'S BUFFALO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I'M JUST SAYING, THAT'S THOSE, THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT DEAL. 
          IT'S LIKE WHO GETTING, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT DATA COMING FROM AND HOW RELIABLE IS IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT HASN'T BEEN TO THEIR BENEFIT. 
          AND THAT JUST LEADS INTO THIS WHOLE, WHETHER IT'S 300 OR 500, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, IT'S IT'S, AS YOU SAID, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BLACK BOX. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER FOLKS, BUT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OF COMFORT IN KNOWING YOU SAY YOU COMPARE AREAS AROUND. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A TABLE EXISTS THAT SAYS CARROLLTON HAS GOT 400 FARMERS. 
          BRANCH HAS 200 AND WE TOOK THE AVERAGE OF 300. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT IT. 
          IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL THAT WE UNDERSTOOD HOW YOU GOT TO YOUR NUMBERS, BUT ALSO TO TOM'S POINT BECAUSE HAVING THE SAME THOUGHTS ARE WE PUTTING NUMBERS OUT HERE TO REGULATE WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND TAKING THE DECISION-MAKING AWAY FROM THE, FROM DEVELOPERS? BECAUSE THEY MAY THINK THAT I MAY, MY MINIMUM SHOULD BE FATHER SQUARE FOOT, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT MY DESIGN IS WAS BUILDING, AND YOU'RE TELLING ME ALL, I NEED 300 AS FINE AS ONE NUMBER, BUT THERE IS A BIT OF A MARKET THAT DEVELOPERS SHOULD UNDERSTAND HIS MARKET. 
          THAT'S GOING TO PUT A NUMBER IN THERE. 
          IT MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT'S HERE. 
          AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF WE'RE PUTTING A LOW ENOUGH THRESHOLD, I AGREE WITH ME SOME REGULATION, BUT MAKE IT LOW ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT COMPLETELY BURDENSOME ON THE DEVELOPER, UM, WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO JUST GO WITH THE MINIMUM. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A HYBRID MODEL HERE THAT WE CAN MEET. 
          AND THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          AND JUST TO FLUSH OUT THIS CONVERSATION WHERE THERE'S NOT JUST A, THE CODE, DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THIS NUMBER IT'S BASIS. 
          THAT'S A MINIMUM NUMBER. 
          AND SO THERE'S A RANGE HERE. 
          THERE'S ALSO A MAXIMUM NUMBER THAT'S PROPOSED TO THE CODE. 
          AND THE WAY WE HAVE THAT DRAFTED NOW IS THAT FOR MOST USES, IT'S 125% OF YOUR MINIMUM. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PROVIDING WIGGLE ROOM, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEBODY, THE REASON WHY COMMUNITIES DO A MAXIMUM IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS IT'S TO HELP PREVENT THE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, IMPERMANENT FROM PREVIOUS CAR COVERAGE. 
          IT'S TO, UM, JUST FOR AESTHETICS, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO PREVENT THE SEASON OF PARKING, BUT THAT'S EFFECTIVELY PROVIDING A RANGE, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEBODY TO DEPLOY. 
          AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS WELL. 
          BUT THE, THE WAY THIS SECTION OVERALL IS DRAFTED IS THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY HERE. 
          SO WE'RE IDENTIFYING THAT RANGE, FIRST OF ALL, WITH THE MINIMUM OF THE MAXIMUM. 
          BUT THEN WE HAVE A WHOLE SECTION OF PARKING ALTERNATIVES WHERE YOU COULD COME IN AS AN APPLICANT AND YOU COULD REQUEST REDUCTIONS TO THAT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR YOUR SITE. 
          AND SO IF YOU DO SHARED PARKING AND YOU HAVE A SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD LET YOU GET A REDUCTION IN YOUR REQUIRED SPACES. 
          IF YOU HAVE A LOCKED IN, UH, PROVISIONS, UH, FOR A WORKFORCE OR SENIOR HOUSING, IF YOU'RE, UH, APPROXIMATE, IF YOU, YOU CAN USE OFF STREETS BASIS TO COUNT TOWARDS THAT AS WELL. 
          SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE THERE. 
          WE COULD ADD MORE AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY, UH, ACCOMPLISH UP TO A 25% ADJUSTMENT DOWNWARD AND YOUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT BY USING SOME COMBINATION OF THOSE MINIMUM. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY HERE, BUT THE POINT WITH COMMUNITIES GENERALLY IS THAT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO MICROMANAGE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING ON A SITE. 
          THEY WANT TO GENERALLY KIND OF GET YOU IN THE BALLPARK. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO PREVENT SPILL OVER PARKING AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          UM, BUT ALSO NOT HAVE SO MUCH THAT IT CREATES VISUAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL PROMPTS. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST LIKE YOU, MY SHOPPING CENTER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BREAKFAST PLACE, YOU KNOW, BETTER DAYS, BUT THEY ONLY OPEN UP TWO OR THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          THEN AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL VACANT. 
          THE POCKET IS ALL BIG. 
          SO, UH, WITH THIS NEO PARKING CLIMBING, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A PHILOSOPHY, BUT IN THE PAST WE DIDN'T. 
          SO NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT SPACE AND THEN, UM, AT A NIGHT OR THE OTHER RESTAURANT CAN DO THEY'LL POCKET POCKETS. 
          WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING TO ME ABOUT KIM, DOES THAT CURRENTLY COME INTO PLAY WHEN SOMEBODY COMES BEFORE YOU OR NOT? I THINK BECAUSE THAT TYPICALLY IS BEFORE YOU KNOW WHO YOUR TENANT IS, WHAT'S GETTING DECIDED TO WHICH THAT'S SORRY TO INTERRUPT FOR SECOND BACK TO THE COMMENT TO KIND OF TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER A DEVELOPER IS INCENTIVIZED TO GET IT FULL AND GET IT LEAST, AND TO UNDER PARK A FACILITY IS GOING TO BE DANGEROUS FOR THEM. 
          SO THERE IS SOME LOGIC, A DEVELOPER DOES NATURALLY HAVE WHEN THEY COME. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S FINANCIAL REASONS FOR DOING THINGS. 
          I, I GET IT FROM THEIR SIDE. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT OURSELVES. 
          AND 
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I THINK WHEN WE'RE ADDRESSING PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING, OR WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PARKING ISSUES, IT'S LESS AN ISSUE OF SUPPLY. 
          IT'S MORE AN ISSUE OF LAND USE MIX AS WELL AS SITE DESIGN. 
          THE ISSUE THAT THE MARRIAGE IS HIGHLIGHTED IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF GOOD LAND USE PLANNING, AND THAT YOU'RE ENSURING A COMPLIMENTARY MIX OF LAND USES. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT LENDS ITSELF TO THAT SHARED PARKING SCENARIO, WORKING EFFICIENTLY AND WORKING AS IT'S PLANNED, WHERE IT CAN GET CHALLENGING AND MORE COMPLEX IS THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE, OR THERE MAY NOT BE A BREAKFAST PLACE IN A RESTAURANT THAT'S POPULAR IN THE EVENING THERE FOREVER AS THE CENTERS OF ALL AND CHANGE THOSE CONDITIONS WILL CHANGE. 
          BUT I THINK THE ONE THING THAT TRUST THOUGH GOES TO BACK TO THE NIECE'S POINT IS THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PROPERTY MANAGERS NEED TO HAVE THEIR PHONE, THEIR SITES FUNCTION WELL IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE LEASED UP AND IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO GO THERE TO DINE AND SHOP. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF PLANNING TO HAVE PARKING CHALLENGES. 
          SOME OF OUR CENTERS DO HAVE PARKING CHALLENGES FOR A VARIETY OF ISSUES, BUT THE, THE OPERATORS THAT MANAGE THOSE, UH, MAY ARE WORKING OR NEED TO DO MORE WORK TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE WITH THEIR LAND USE MIX AND THINGS SUCH AS VALET, WHICH I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVENING AS WELL. 
          WHEN TALKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT COMMERCIAL, ONE OF THE THINGS EVEN THERE ON PAGE 21, UP AT THE TOP, AND HE LOOKED AT THE DUPLEXES TRIPLEXES, ALL OF THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING ALLOCATED FOR THOSE IN THE NEW STANDARDS. 
          I MEAN, LAURIE, AND I KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS EVER LIVED IN ADDISON CIRCLE, BUT WHEN WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME OVER TO OUR HOUSE, WE MAY BUY OUR CARS OUT TO PARK ON THE STREET AND WHEN THEY WOULD GET THERE AND WE WOULD HAVE THEM CALL US SO THEY COULD PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND WHEN WE MOVED AROUND AND PUT THEM INTO THE GARAGE, BECAUSE THERE SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH PARKING. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT ONE SPACE IS ENOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          LAUREN, YOU CAN JUMP IN. 
          I'VE HAD TO RILEY'S TO ROGERS FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S A BIG ISSUE TO SPEAK TO YOUR POINT. 
          EILEEN IS TO TWO SPACES THAT YOU FEEL WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE HOUSING TYPES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT ONE PER BEDROOM, I THINK, BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENT WE USED TO DISTRICT AND WE WERE PROPOSING MOVING TO ONE PER WEEK, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, AND YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON THAT LIVES IN A THREE STORY CONDO, FOR INSTANCE, OFTEN THAT'S SIMPLY NOT THE CASE, ESPECIALLY AT THE PRICE 0.7 THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE TWO TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD, BUT CAN YOU IN THAT SITUATION? SO YOU'RE STARTING ALL OVER AND THIS IS ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT. 
          THAT WOULD BE FOUR, BUT THEN YOU GET AN ALLOWANCE FOR OFF STREET PARKING AND THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS WITHIN ASTON CIRCLE. 
          SO YOU WOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALONG WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF ONE PER DWELLING UNITS. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE IS KIND OF COMING IN. 
          SO THAT'S, BUT THEY APPARENTLY MISSED THE MARK ON THE AMOUNT OF STREET CARS. 
          THOSE ARE FOR THE MOST PART THEY'RE APARTMENTS, THEY ARE BUSINESSES. 
          THEY ARE NOT OPEN TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE, SO THERE REALLY IS JUST THE OFF STREET PARKING WHAT'D YOU HAVE FOR YOUR GARAGE AND OFF STREET PARKING AND FOR, FOR HOUSING, UM, PARTICULARLY THE HOUSING TYPES THAT CHAIR RESNICK MENTIONED. 
          TYPICALLY, YOU WON'T BE AT LEAST THE, THE CITIES IN THIS REGION. 
          UH, IT MADE ME PRACTICE ELSEWHERE, BUT TYPICALLY A PARKING REQUIREMENT WILL APPLY STRICTLY TO OFF STREET PARKING. 
          SO YOU WOULDN'T TYPICALLY GET CREDITS FOR, FOR STREET ARGUMENTS VIEWED MORE FOR, FOR SATISFIED VISITOR NEEDS AND FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING BEYOND WHAT WOULD BE SUPPLIED OFFS, CBS SUMMER PROMISE, TURNING OFF STREET PARKING IS BEING OVERWHELMED. 
          YEAH, EXCUSE ME. 
          AND THAT, THAT WAS IT. 
          ONCE AGAIN, IT KIND OF SPEAKS TO MY POINT ABOUT SITE DESIGN VERSUS PARKING SUPPLY. 
          IT, A LOT OF THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE THE WAY THE ACCESS IS SITUATED AND WHERE THE PARKING IS UNRELATED TO THE ACCESS, IT'S EASIER FOR FOLKS TO PARK OFF STREET OR MORE CONVENIENT. 
          UH, THERE'S MANAGEMENT ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT SPEAKS TO HOW CRITICAL IT IS. 
          LIKE I BET IF YOU DROVE TO THE TOP FLOOR OF THAT PARKING STRUCTURE AND YOU HEAR CRICKETS TURBINE, BUT YOU SEE THE STREET CONDITION BECAUSE IT'S, YOU CAN HAVE A 32ND WALK THROUGH YOUR UNITS VERSUS DRIVING THROUGH A PARKING STRUCTURE AND 
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MAKING A LOOP AROUND THE, WHAT, THE COMPLEX. 
          SO IT'S JUST MORE CONVENIENT. 
          HAVE YOU, DOES ANYONE TRY TO PARK IN CONROE OR AS IN GROVE? THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE CHALLENGING, UM, MULTI-PHASE IS IT CONSIDERED MULTIFAMILY OR THE TOWNHOMES THERE BY THE PARKING GARAGE THAT I SHOWED? YEAH. 
          DO YOU MEAN A CONGRE, WHICH IS NEXT EDISON GROVE OR EDISON?  SURVEYOR. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          CONDOMINIUMS. CONDOMINIUMS. YEAH. 
          THERE'S NO, I DON'T SEE ANY PARKING FOR, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A SITE DESIGN THING OR, OR IT'S MORE LIKE A CIRCLE WHERE THERE IS A PARKING, YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO FIND IT IN THOSE RETAIL GARAGES. 
          THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING, BUT PEOPLE JUST DON'T MAYBE KNOW IT'S THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOW DO YOU BALANCE DESIGN VERSUS QUANTITY? OH, I THINK THE KEY THING IS TO SITUATE THE AREAS WHERE YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE PARKING. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, A PARKING STRUCTURE, YOU WANT TO DESIGN IN A WAY WHERE IT'S STILL CONCEALED AND NOT DOMINATING THE PUBLIC REALM, BUT YOU ALSO WANT IT TO BE EASILY ACCESSIBLE. 
          AND THERE'S SOME TIMES IT'S SIGNAGE. 
          SIGNAGE IS  AS A KID. 
          I, IF YOU THINK ABOUT ALISON CIRCLE, I MEAN, PEOPLE COMPLAINING THAT THEY CAN'T PARK TO GO EAT THERE, THAT YOU CAN, YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK AND THEN PEOPLE DRIVE AWAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THAT IF THEY HAVE SIGNAGE, THERE'S THE SIGNS ARE VISIBLE. 
          THEN IT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS A, IT'S A BIG ISSUE WITH DOWNTOWN AREAS AS WELL. 
          YOU HEAR THIS IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY, DOWNTOWN PLANO IS NOT A PARKING SUPPLY ISSUE. 
          IT'S DESIRABLE PARKING SPACES THAT EVERYONE WANTS. 
          WHAT'S LIKE A VILLAGE ON THE SQUARE LOG. 
          THEN YOU SHOWED THEM THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU SHOWED US, THAT IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO A LOT OF THOSE RESTAURANTS, BUT IT STILL FELT FAR. 
          AND PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT WALK. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU SIGN IT AND YOU'RE PLAYING THE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH TRAFFIC ON THE WAY TO YOUR RESTAURANT, OR WE IN A PLAN OF TALKING ABOUT THIS MAXIMUM STUFF, OR IS THAT COMING IN A LITTLE BIT HERE? LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND LAY OUT A FEW MORE THINGS IF I COULD, AND THEN WE'LL, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE FULL RANGE OF PARKING ISSUES ON THE TIME. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, A FEW MORE THINGS I JUST WANT TO LAY OUT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE, UH, UH, LET ME COME BACK TO THE DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY STANDARDS. 
          UH, THOSE ARE NEW. 
          I REMEMBER I TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO STACKING SPACES OR DRIVE-THROUGH PHARMACIES AND RESTAURANTS AND THINGS. 
          THAT'S NEW. 
          THAT'S JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE DISCIPLINE AND SOME MORE PREDICTABILITY FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES THAT CAN REALLY HAVE ACCESS ISSUES. 
          UH, WE DID A THOROUGH SCRUB AND SUGGESTED A LOT OF NEW PARKING LOT AND LAYOUT DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          UH, THERE, UH, STANDARDS FOR THE AESTHETICS AND THE LAYOUT OF PARKING, STRUCTURED PARKING, ET CETERA. 
          UH, ONE THING THAT'S NOT ON HERE IS THE VALET PARKING THAT WAS MENTIONED. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IT'S RELEVANT. 
          UH, Y'ALL SAW THAT BACK IN THE, UH, DISTRICTS AND USES A PIECE IN PHASE ONE, BECAUSE THAT WAS THOSE, THOSE STANDARDS ARE CARRIED FORWARD FROM THE CURRENT CODE, UH, AS PART OF THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS. 
          THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT'S PART OF THIS ISSUE AS WELL. 
          WE DID DO SOME TWEAKS BACK ON THOSE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT UV CHARGING STANDARDS. 
          THIS IS ONE THAT'S NEW THAT'S PROPOSED. 
          UH, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THIS INCREASINGLY AROUND THE COUNTRY LOOKED AT AS SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITIES WANT TO START PAVING THE WAY FOR, UH, STARTING TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS A CHANGING MARKET. 
          UM, THE WAY THIS IS DRAFTED, YOU HAVE TO SET ASIDE, UM, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF SPACES AS EVIE SPACES FOR LARGER LOTS. 
          YOU'VE GOTTA BE SIGNED FOR EVIE CARS, AND THEN IT SAYS IT SHALL BE OUTFITTED FOR, FOR, UH, UV CARS. 
          WELL, UM, WE'LL JUST FESS UP RIGHT NOW. 
          THIS WAS WRITTEN ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND WE'VE DONE A LOT MORE RESEARCH ON THIS. 
          I THINK THAT WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS WITH THE COMMITTEE TODAY. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT CODES ARE STARTING TO DO MORE NOW IS DISTINGUISH BETWEEN DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, OF, OF COMPATIBILITY FOR EVS. 
          ONE LEVEL IS JUST PUTTING A SIGN OUT THERE AND SAYING, THIS SPACE IS RESERVED FOR EVS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A WAY OF KIND OF SAYING WE SUPPORT THIS, THIS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING WE WANT TO CREATE A SPACE FOR ANOTHER IS TO GO AHEAD AND LAY THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THAT SITE, A CONDUIT TO, TO ALLOW THE ELECTRIC LINES TO BE DELIVERED THAT SITE. 
          ANOTHER THING THAT YOU CAN DO IS THEN GO VERTICAL AND ACTUALLY PUT THE CHARGING STATION IN ON THAT SITE. 
          AND SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE CODES ARE STARTING TO BE MORE TAILORED AND THEN WHAT THEY SPECIFY. 
          AND SO THE CONVERSATION TODAY WITH THE COMMITTEE STARTED TO BE WELL, WHICH OF THOSE LEVELS DO YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR ADDISON AND MOVING FORWARD AS WELL? AND I THINK THERE WERE 
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OPINIONS ON ALL POINTS OF THAT SPECTRUM. 
          IF I HAD TO SAY WHAT THE CONSENSUS WAS, I THINK IT WAS THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND REQUIRE SOME PERCENTAGE OF THOSE SPACES TO BE LAID WITH THE CONDUIT, BUT THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY OR MAYBE WISE TO GO AHEAD AND REQUIRE THE CHARTING STATION ITSELF. 
          THAT TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING REALLY FAST. 
          THEY WANT TO LEAVE THOSE DECISIONS UP TO INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          UM, THEY ALSO THOUGHT THAT I THINK THE RATIOS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGH THAT ARE PROPOSED RIGHT NOW FOR ADDISON. 
          SO THAT'S A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE COMMITTEE ON THOSE UV CHARGING STATIONS. 
          SO WE HAD A SIDEBAR LAST TIME BECAUSE I HAD JUMPED IN AT THE END OF THE THING, WHICH PART OF MY COMMENT TO YOU WAS, I THINK YOU GOT TO REQUIRE AT LEAST THE INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER FOR A DEVELOPER DO ON THE FRONT END OF HAVING TO GO BACK AND RETROFIT FOR ONE, TWO DISAGREE. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH IN THAT CODE BECAUSE I THINK THE WORLD'S GOING THERE. 
          AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE KIND OF PEOPLE OR WHAT COMES STATUS. 
          AND ADDISON HAS A VERY HIGH VISITOR PROPONENT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM HERE FOR BOOMTOWN TASTED ASS, WHATEVER, AND YOU'RE DRIVING YOUR ELECTRICAL CAR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHARGE SOMEWHERE, BE IT, YOUR HOTEL, A RETAIL SPACE THERE. 
          SO I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME SENSITIVITY ABOUT TO ME. 
          I DON'T THINK IT HAS ENOUGH PERSONALLY, THE RATIO IS NOT HIGH ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY YOU GOT TO THINK YOU'RE PUTTING THIS IN PLACE TODAY FOR THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS. 
          I MEAN, WHAT'S GOVERNMENT. 
          I DON'T KEEP UP ON IT CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY ELECTRICAL PERSON THAT, I MEAN, GOVERNMENTS TRIED TO PHASE OUT GASOLINE CAR FOREVER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF SHOULD GO. 
          HAND-IN-HAND SOMEWHAT WITH WHAT GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS GOING TO FORCE BE FORCED TO PEOPLE THAT DO IT ANYWAY, SO THAT IF, IF THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO PUT THESE IN OR PUT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE IN IT, BUT IT'S SITTING IN FRONT OF HIS FACE IN FRONT OF WHOLE FOODS, WHICH BASICALLY TAKES SOME SPACES AWAY FROM WHOLE FOODS WITH PEOPLE COMING IN WITH TRUMP, THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A REVENUE SOURCE OR INCENTIVE FOR EITHER THAT I'M SURE THERE ARE SORT OF DEVELOPER CERTAINLY ALSO FOR THE STOREFRONT THAT'S RIGHT THERE BY THAT CHARGER. 
          IS THERE INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO PUT THESE IN? UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SPECIFY THAT OPERA HOUSING AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THEN AS FAR AS WHAT CHARGING STATIONS THEY DO OR DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE THAT UP TO STOREFRONT, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? A LOT OF DIFFERENT MODELS OUT THERE, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ALL OF THEM, BUT I KNOW SOME OF THEM, THE OWNER OF THAT SITE, IT'S A, IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE, OF THE REVENUE FROM THAT SPACE. 
          AND, AND, AND THIS CAME UP TODAY IN THE MEETING WITH THE COMMITTEE AS WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT PAYING FOR ALL THAT ELECTRICITY ON HIS OWN. 
          IT'S PAID FOR BY THE PEOPLE THAT USE THAT SPACE. 
          THERE'S BEEN CHARGE IS A CHARGE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE UNITS HAVE, UH, THE THEY'LL YOU'LL, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD LINKED TO AN ACCOUNT LIKE CHARTER AMERICA, ONE OF THOSE BIG NATIONAL THINGS. 
          AND THEN YOU'LL JUST COME IN AND YOU JUST FLUSH YOUR CARD. 
          AND THEN WHILE YOUR CARD IS CHARGING, IT CHARGES YOUR CREDIT CARD AS WELL. 
          AND SO THAT THAT'S A CHARGE TO THE APPLICANT THAT DOESN'T JUST GO TO THE PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT THAT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION. 
          SO I AGREE. 
          I, I, DENISE YOUR POINT ON THE CODE OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH, MY CONCERN WOULD BE MORE ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGING, YOU KNOW, US, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE CODE, MAKING THIS REQUIREMENT, AND THEN THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAS TO BE CHANGED, UH, BECAUSE IN MY, MY REGULAR LINE AT WORK, I HAVE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS THAT ARE IN THIS GAME OF ELECTRICAL VEHICLES. 
          SO PAYING ATTENTION TO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND I NOTICED IN, UH, LIKE AN ADDISON CIRCLE AND THE MULTI-FAMILY UNIT THAT I LIVE IN, THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS AND THERE'S ONLY ONE SPACE AND BUILDING THREE WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 2012. 
          SO IT'S THE NEWEST ONE THAT HAS AN ELECTRIC CHARGE. 
           I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER SAW IT IN THERE, BUT THERE'S ONE VEHICLE THAT CHARGES THERE. 
          AND I WAS WALKING MY DOG THE OTHER DAY. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING IF THIS WHOLE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE THING TAKES OFF AND EVEN A FOURTH OF THE CARS AT THIS GARAGE DECIDE TO CHANGE THEIR VEHICLE OR FIND THE VEHICLES. 
          THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THERE'S A SPACE AT WALGREENS, I THINK ON BELTLINE, BUT THERE'S NOW I CAN'T, I DON'T SEEM TO SEE, IS THERE ONE AT WHOLE FOODS OR NO, THERE'S ONE AT T AND T TWO ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS, THIS IS REAL. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS SO MUCH MONEY THAT IS POURED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND HOW, I MEAN, IF IT HAPPENS, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THE BACK FOOT. 
          IT HAS HAPPENED IF YOU'VE EVER TOUCHED HER IN A TESLA. 
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UM, HE ORDERED ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, UM, WOULDN'T IT, ISN'T IT GOING TO BENEFIT THE DEVELOPER, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ADDRESS THE NEED, WHATEVER THAT NEED MAY BE PV. 
          YUP. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY. 
          I MEAN, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE THE TOWN'S ONLY TOOL TO ACCOMMODATE ELECTRIC VEHICLES MOVING FORWARD. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS ONE TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX TO ENSURE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT DOES SET ASIDE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES. 
          A LOT OF DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT ON THEIR OWN, ON THEIR OWN. 
          THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR, OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND ATTRACTING THE KIND OF PEOPLE THEY WANT TO SEE COME TO THEIR SITE. 
          SO SHARING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE FOREFRONT THINKERS, YOU KNOW, BE THE STEP AHEAD OF THE NEXT GUY. 
          I THINK THAT'S LIKE GOING TO THE FORMALITY OF PUTTING IT IN HERE. 
          YEAH, NO, I LIVING AT HAMLIN EACH IN THE PARKING STRUCTURE, EACH STORY THAT FOUR STORIES AND EACH STORY THEY HAVE TO A LOGIC CAR PARK, ESPECIALLY THEY PUT A SIGN UP THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT ELECTRIC CAR. 
          YOU CANNOT HAVE POP. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, THE NEWLY NOTICED DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT. 
          THEY WILL AUTOMATICALLY PUT THEM IN. 
          I THINK IN THIS CASE THEY CAN TRACK MORE CLIENTS, CLIENTS. 
          SO THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, UM, IS IT NOT MANDATORY, BUT IT OFFERS SOME INCENTIVE MAYBE TO DO SOMETHING. 
          NO, IT ACTUALLY IS MANDATORY THE WAY IT'S GROWING. 
          IT SAYS THAT SHALL BE OUTFITTED WITH A CHARGING STATION. 
          UM, MY, MY POINT WAS THAT I THINK NOW JUST BASED ON BETTER KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE, I THINK WE CAN BE WORKED MORE SPECIFIC IN WHAT THAT MEANS COULD BE UP FOR THAT. 
          AND WE NEED TO CLARIFY, DOES THAT MEAN LAYING THE CONDUIT OR DOES IT MEAN ACTUALLY THE CHARGING STATION? UM, AND I THINK, I THINK WE CAN ALSO BE MORE TAILORED AND MAYBE THE RATIO IS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS OR DIFFERENT USE TYPES. 
          AND I WOULD THINK THAT THAT, LIKE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, MAYBE ARCHAIC IN 10 YEARS, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE THE SAME CHARGING STATION. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GUESS MAYBE WE JUST CALL IT A CHARGING STATION. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG DISCUSSION POINTS TODAY WITH THE COMMITTEE IS JUST, THESE THINGS ARE CHANGING SO FAST AND I DON'T WANT TO LOCK IN ANY ONE THING. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, THIS IS BY THE HOME TWO SUITES ON MY ROAD AND IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF FUNNY CAUSE THEY USED TO HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE. 
          UH, AND NOW ONE OF THEM WAS GONE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DECIDED THEY NEEDED TO REPLACE IT WITH A NEWER MODEL OR WHAT, BUT IT JUST ILLUSTRATES THESE THINGS ARE CHANGING. 
          I WASN'T CODING. 
          UNFORTUNATELY. 
           LITTLE THING. 
          I WAS INTERESTED THOUGH THAT THE OTHER NICHE IS IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY. 
          YOU DON'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT ADA TYPE PARTY? IS THAT ON PURPOSE OR DID I MISS THAT, NO, WE, WE SAID THAT YOU SHALL COMPLY. 
          THAT'S THAT'S TYPICAL. 
          THOSE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS TYPICALLY ARE OUTSIDE OF WHAT IT DOES. 
          UM, IF YOU RECALL THAT I SAID ALL IN A COMMISSION MEETING, IT BASICALLY RETURNS TO THAT TABLE IN THE BUILDING CODE AND, UH, TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS. 
          IT'S ON PAGE 26. 
          THERE'S A SECTION BASICALLY WHAT JUST ABOUT CROSS REFERENCE THOSE, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT THOSE EXTERNAL REQUIREMENTS CHANGE SOMETIMES OVER TIME. 
          AND SO WE JUST HAVE THAT CROSS REFERENCE AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING THE STUDENT. 
          ONE OTHER THING, I DIDN'T MENTION THAT AS PART OF THESE NEWS, THAT IS NEW IS BIKE PARKING. 
          UM, THIS IS ON A PAGE, UH, 36 37. 
          SO IF YOU ALL RECALL, WE TALKED ABOUT CONDUCTIVITY LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT JUST MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, PEOPLE GETTING AROUND, NOT JUST IN CARS, BUT ALSO IN BIKES AND WALKING. 
          IF WE T WE SAID THAT WE HAD A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS SAY ADDISON SHOULD MIX SCRIBES TO BE MORE BIKE FRIENDLY. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT BIKE PATHS AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS REQUIRING PARKING. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS DRAFT PROPOSES IS THAT FOR X PERCENTAGE OF YOUR REQUIRED VEHICLE PARKING SPACES, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME BIKE PARKING SPACES AS WELL. 
          UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S TAILORED BY ZONE DISTRICT AND BY USE TYPE. 
          SO IT'S HIGHER IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICTS, THOSE GOOD DISTRICTS, UH, IT'S, IT'S LOWER IN THE, IN THE NON MIXED USE DISTRICTS, UH, IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UH, 5% OF YOUR REQUIRED VEHICLES BASIS. 
          UH, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT NUMBER OF MY EXPERIENCES AS WELL COMMITTEE, UH, NOT A BIG FAN OF THIS ONE. 
          UH, THEY THOUGHT THIS WAS, UH, NOT REALISTIC GIVEN Y'ALL'S 
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CLIMATE. 
          AND AS MUCH AS WE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE ON BIKES, UH, IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO BIKE HERE. 
          AND IF AN APPLICANT OR A DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO THAT ON THEIR SITE AND LET THEM DO IT, DON'T MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT. 
          SO IS IT, CAN IT ALSO BE BIKE RACKS OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL SPACE? IT'S WELL, IT'S, IT'S PROVIDING A SPACE. 
          IT COULD BE A RACK. 
          WELL, YEAH, I AGREE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, THE COMMENTS WITH COMMITTEE MADE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, TRUE OF OUR CURRENT REALITY, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHO AND WANT TO BECOME AND ARE, DO WE TRULY WANT TO BECOME A BIKE-FRIENDLY COMMUNITY? AND IF WE DO, THEN THE, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE STEPS WE NEED TO TAKE TO DO THAT. 
          AND IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S A COMFORTABLE, UH, TRANSITION TO GO FROM BEING COMPLETELY STABLE. 
          CYCLIST BLIND TO CYCLE IS FRIENDLY TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF, UH, INSPIRED THE FACT, IT MAY NOT BE EASY TODAY, THE WAY WE'RE GOING WITH THE TRAILS PLAN AND THE FUTURE THAT WE LIVE WILL BUILDING. 
          AND THAT WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT I THINK IT'S A TOUGH DECISION. 
          AND I, I, UM, MENTIONED THIS, THERE'S A SHOW WHAT'S THAT SHOW THAT BRIAN GUMBEL HOST REAL SPORTS. 
          DOES ANYBODY WATCH THAT SHOW? THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A RELEVANT STORY ABOUT, UH, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE COUNTRY. 
          IT'S A REALLY GOOD STORY, GOOGLE IT, BUT IT'S ABOUT THIS BIG CITY AND THIS EUROPEAN COUNTRY. 
          AND THEY TALK ABOUT HOW, UM, THEY MADE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONAL THAT, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONALLY AND DEVELOPED A COMMUNITY THAT IS JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE OPPOSITE EXTREME OF WHERE ALLISON IS IN GENERAL. 
          UM, AND MAYBE EVEN ALLISON, BUT I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD EXERCISE. 
          MAYBE I'LL SEND IT OUT. 
          AND IT'S JUST REALLY GOOD TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO REDUCE AND TRY TO BECOME A MORE CYCLIST, FRIENDLY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY COMMUNITY. 
          WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO WHERE I LIVE UP IN THAT PLACE FOR THE SOLDIER EVERY SATURDAY AND EVERY SUNDAY, WE HAD TO GO FROM 50 CYCLES BACK AND FORTH. 
          IT COMES DOWN TO THAT. 
          WHEN YOU GO OVER TO CAROL MAN'S BEST FRIEND KNOW, I ALWAYS BE VERY, VERY WORRIED AT THAT POINT IN TIME, DRIVING OUT THERE, YOUR GROUPS, YES, THERE ARE LARGE GROUPS. 
          I THINK MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS AS THE WORD APPALL SHALL APPLY TO ALL PRINCIPAL USES, EXCEPT FOR, AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE JUST SOME BUSINESSES WHERE IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST PEOPLE GOING THERE. 
          AND THEN I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THE TRAILS, ALONG THE MIDWAY, RATHER THAN I SEE THEM RIDING THEIR BIKES TO TARGET, TO WORK AND KROGER TO WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT JUST LAYING AROUND. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE A LOT OF PLACES, AND I WANT TO SEE US GET MORE THAT WAY, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE FIGHT SAYING, OH, YOU'RE MEETING EVERYBODY. 
          AND THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES THAT IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, MAYBE A FEW EMPLOYEES, BUT I THINK YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE CHOICE THEN, BUT I'M WORKING ON THE CHORE, ACQUIRE EVERY BUSINESS TO DO THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'VE SEEN IT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, DALLAS, THE BABY WAS DELL GAVE YOU AN EXCEPTION TO PARKING SPACE FOR EMPLOYEES ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL PROVIDE RACKS FOR, YOU KNOW, SIX BICYCLE IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS MANY EMPLOYEES AND THEY'LL SAY, YOU CAN TAKE TWO OFF YOUR PARKING COUNT KIND OF THING. 
          SO FALL ACTUALLY FALLS UP INTO THAT ALTERNATIVE SECTION INSTEAD OF A MANDATORY THING. 
          MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS YOU REALLY WANT THIS TO BE A BICYCLE TOWN. 
          YOU GOT TO CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT BY 15 MILES AN HOUR EVERYWHERE. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT YEARS AGO ABOUT TAKING BELTLINE DOWN TO LIKE 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT IN THERE, BUT THAT'S A WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT IS. 
          I MEAN, THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO TO, TO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME VERY PASSIONATE RESIDENTS THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH THAT ARE JUST VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT US CONTINUING TOWARD MAKING THIS COMMUNITY A LITTLE MORE PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST FRIENDLY. 
          AND I THINK IF WE TRY TO TAKE SOME SMALL BABY STEPS 
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THAT DIRECTION TO HELP FACILITATE THAT, WE CAN THEN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN. 
          YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO GO. 
          AND IF IT TAKES OFF AND PEOPLE START TO WANT TO DO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING. 
          WE TOOK A BIG STEP. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT. 
          THAT WAS THE BIGGEST, HUGE THING. 
          I MEAN, WITHIN THE TRAIL, THERE ARE TRAIL HEADS, WHICH SOME OF THEM COME OUT ON TO PARKING LOTS OF RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT AREAS, UM, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL, WILL EVOLVE. 
          AND THIS IS GOING BACK TO TOM'S QUESTION OR COMMENT MUCH EARLIER IS THIS IS SO EASY TO ADAPT TO BICYCLES THAT IF A STOREFRONT OR A DEVELOPER IS SEEING THE TREND TOWARD BICYCLES AND ADS, AND THEY CAN EASILY GRAB A COUPLE OF SPACES, BUT RACKS, IT'S NOT LIKE THE CHARGING STATION, WHICH IS THE MIDDLE OF A CALL. 
          SO I WOULD LET THE MASTER TRAIL THING DO ITS THING, LET IT EVOLVE, SEE HOW THE TOWN AND THE PEOPLE LIVE HERE AND VISIT YOUR USE OF TRAIL AND LET THE DEVELOPERS AND THE OWNERS OF THE STORES SEE THAT ACTIVITY, AND THEN GO, WHAT DON'T ATTRACT SOME OF THAT. 
          WE NEED TO PUT SOME BIKES OUT HERE AND THAT'D BE VERY EASY TO DO HERE. 
          SO I WOULD RATHER THIS BE PART OF THE HYBRID THAT WE WERE ENCOURAGING THIS, OR WE'RE GOING TO LET THAT MARKET KIND OF TICKETS TAKE ROLL ROLE HERE. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL FEEDBACK. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO TRY TO, UH, REORIENT THIS MORE TOWARDS, UH, UH, ENCOURAGEMENT KIND OF INCENTIVE-BASED, UH, THING IN THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFTED MOVES FORWARD, BUT IT'LL STAY IN THERE. 
          WE'LL GO OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON PARKING? ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK ABOUT DENISE? MAXIMUM? DID YOU WANT HER TO TALK? OKAY. 
          AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE DIRECTED AT YOU, AND I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A SCENARIO WHERE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THROW A STRUCTURED PARKING, THE UNDERGROUND, THE LAST PARAGRAPH IN THERE. 
          SO DEVELOPER COMES TO YOU TO PUT A SITE IN AND HE'S GOING TO BUILD A MASSIVE PARKING GARAGE. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE FOR A PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. 
          SO NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, YOUR PARKING GARAGE IS THE FIRST THING IS TO BE BUILT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THE WHOLE ENTIRE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO PUT YOU CLOSE TO MAX FOR FIRST PHASE OF THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          SOMETHING HAPPENS PHASE TWO, NEVER GETS BUILT. 
          SO YOU HAVE A BUILDING, THAT'S GOT THIS MASSIVE PARKING GARAGE AND A STANDALONE BUILDING. 
          SO CAN YOU WALK IN, YOU'RE PROTECTED, SORRY, IF THE REST OF THE GROUP TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUGH. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK THERE'S AN EXEMPTION TO THE MAXIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS COUNT TOWARDS MAX, RIGHT? SO BASICALLY THIS IS SAYING IF YOU'RE INVESTING IN A STRUCTURED PARKING, THAT'S NOT GOING TO COUNT TOWARDS THAT MAXIMUM THAT I MENTIONED. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GRIP TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR, WHERE YOUR QUESTION QUESTIONS, THINKING ABOUT THIS WRONG. 
          NOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD HYPOTHETICAL, BUT IT'S, AND THE MARKET DOES FALL OUT ON OCCASION, BUT IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF AN EXTREME EXAMPLE. 
          THERE'S CERTAINLY RISK TO THAT. 
          BUT GIVEN THE ALUMNI INVESTMENT IN A PARKING STRUCTURE, THE ODDS OF SOMEONE NOT WANTING TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THE PROPERTY IS I I'VE BEEN IN THE REAL ESTATE SIDE OF IT FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND THESE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          AND, AND I MEAN, I GET THAT WE'VE BEEN IN THESE GREAT YEARS AND ALL THIS GROWTH AND WHATEVER, BUT, BUT I GUESS THAT'S MY, IS THERE A WAY TO PROTECT THAT YOU CAN FORCE THEM. 
          THEY CAN ONLY DO HALF THE GARAGE AT THAT TIME VERSUS, I MEAN, I JUST, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN ODD STATEMENT IN THERE TO ME, AND MAYBE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT WRONG. 
          I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER CALIBRATE THE STATEMENT. 
          UM, THERE IS WHENEVER YOU HAVE A PHASED DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU NEED TO PUT CONDITIONS IN THE PHASING PLAN AND ADOPT THE SOLID PHASING PLAN. 
          I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN DO, UH, TO ELIMINATE THAT POTENTIAL RISK ABSENCE OF NOT APPROVING PROJECTS THAT ARE PHASED IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE LARGE PARKING STRUCTURE REQUIRE, UH, TWO SMALLER PARKING STRUCTURES, WHETHER THAT IS ULTIMATELY FEASIBLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, ONCE AGAIN, A HYPOTHETICAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN AND IT'S HARD TO COMPLETELY MITIGATE AGAINST ANY EXTREME SCENARIO LIKE THAT. 
          PROBABLY DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION VERY WELL, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S TOUGH WHEN THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          I JUST TRYING TO AVOID SURE. 
          CONCRETE, GIANT BEING THE PROBLEM, GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT PAINLESS WELL IN ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT JUST BECOMES 
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A PROBLEMATIC THING. 
          IT JUST AFFECTS THE VALUE ULTIMATELY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST A SNOWBALL EFFECT AND YOU NEVER KNOW HOW LONG YOU'RE IN A DOWN CYCLE FOR YOU SIT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, PLACES, AGE AND ALL THAT. 
          I JUST, MY BIGGER CONCERN WAS, IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN CONTROL THIS IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO GO DO THAT MASSIVE PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND IT GETS STUCK THERE WITHOUT THE REST OF, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, IT COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE SIDE OF THE VALLEY VIEW MALL, BUT I MEAN, WHEN REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENED IS STILL THINKING ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CONTROL IT BY PHASE ONE, THE PARKING THAT GOES WITH PHASE ONE IS ALL IT BUILT AT THIS TIME. 
          AND WHEN YOU GET TO PHASE TWO, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR PARKING THAT GOES WITH IT. 
          I MEAN, THE DEVELOPER'S NOT GOING TO LOVE THAT BY ANY MEANS, BECAUSE ECONOMICALLY IT'S BETTER TO BUILD A GARAGE ALL AT ONCE, BUT I MEAN, THINGS HAPPEN AND WITH SOME OF THE PARKING STRUCTURES, UM, YOU COULDN'T TECHNICALLY PHASE THE PARKING STRUCTURE, THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCT. 
          WE, WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF STRUCTURES AND WHAT SHOULD BE, UM, APPLIED IN ADDISON, BUT YOU CAN'T WITH THE TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION, POTENTIALLY LOOK AT PHASING THE STRUCTURE. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A CHALLENGING ISSUE AND YOUR BEST BET IS TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO ENSURE THAT THE REST OF THE SITE DOES BUILD OUT. 
          SORRY, KEPT THAT UP. 
          A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING SPACE, UM, ON PAGE 30, THREE OF THE DRAFT, YOU GET DETAILS ABOUT THE SIZES AND I GUESS I'VE GOT A QUESTION AND THEN HAVE A THOUGHT THAT HOPEFULLY CONNECTS WITH A QUESTION, BUT, UM, ON, ON THE MEASUREMENTS, JUST FOR A STANDARD PARKING SPACE, IS THAT TYPICALLY BENIGN BY 18 OR IS THERE, IS THERE NO STANDARD, IS THERE A STANDARD? WHAT IS THE STANDARD NINE BY 18 IS TYPICAL. 
          THAT'S DIFFICULT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE, UH, IN OUR DRAFT WE HAVE, UH, EIGHT AND A HALF OR THE WIDTH AND THEN, AND THEN IT VARIES, UH, UH, DEPENDING ON THE ANGLE. 
          YEAH. 
          BELIEVE THEY CARRIED FORWARD THE CURRENT STATE CURRENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S THAT. 
          AND I WANT TO COME BACK TO THAT, BUT, UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THOUGHT I WANTED TO SHARE, UM, AND I'VE SEEN THIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, BUT YOU'VE GOT, BASICALLY THE SCENARIO IS YOU'VE GOT RETAIL, GROUND LEVEL, RETAIL PARKING, AND A NEW, UH, A NEW BUSINESS OR DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          AND IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE ABOUT FIVE TO 10 PARKING SPACES SHORT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO INEVITABLY IT SEEMS LIKE THEY, WE RESTRIPE THE PARKING TO A LITTLE NARROW IN SOME OF THE, IN SOME OF THE INSTANCES WHERE WE MAKE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS IN OTHER INSTANCES, BUT, UM, UM, I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH THE, UH, RE RE STRIPING OF THE PARKING LOT THAT I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD PARKING LOT INTO SOMETHING REAL NARROW, WHERE YOU CAN HARDLY GET OUT OF YOUR CAR IN A STATE WHERE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THESE F150 STAFF TO ALL THESE BIG, OLD MONSTER TRUCKS DRIVER. 
          AND SO, UM, MY, MY POINT IS THIS, UM, JUST TO ME, IF YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PARKING, GET OUT WHERE YOUR, YOU DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF DOOR DEANS, AND YOU'VE GOT THE ROOM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A MUCH MORE DESIRABLE THING THAN TRYING TO CREATE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE MORE, THE BIG RETAIL. 
          SO, UM, UM, I'M REAL FIXATED ON STANDARD PARKING AND YOU THINK THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT TOO TIGHT. 
          WELL, IF, IF STATE, IF THE STANDARD IS NINE BY 18, NINE FEET WITH 18 FEET LONG, IF THAT'S THE STANDARD, LIKE MY QUESTION WHILE WE'RE UPDATING THIS, SHOULDN'T BE MOVED TO THE STANDARD. 
          IS IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR CURRENT IS EIGHT NAP. 
          I MEAN, SAY THERE'S A LOT OF THEM, A LOT OF TIMES WITH THOSE GUYS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RIGHTSIZING, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WILL HELP SOME OF THIS. 
          I MEAN, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. 
          PEOPLE COME IN AND GO, WELL, NOW YOU'RE NEW PARKING CODE. 
          YOU GOT TO HAVE 30 INSTEAD OF 40 INSTEAD OF 25. 
          SO THEY GO, OKAY, WE'LL FIX THAT. 
          WE'LL MAKE HALF OF THEM COMPACT  THINGS. 
          WELL, I THINK WE CAN FIX A LOT OF IT BY GOING INTO, YOU KNOW, LIKE INSTEAD OF ONE OR 200 ON THE BELTLINE, IT'S ONE TO 300. 
          SO THERE'S LESS, YOU KNOW, LESS NUMBER OF SPACES THAT REALLY ALLOWS US TO INCREASE THE SPACE. 
          AND I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN SOME PALAMEDES THAT ACTUALLY, YOU SEE THEM DOUBLE STRIPE 
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WITH THE, LIKE THE LITTLE, LIKE ALMOST STRIPE AN ISLAND IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE EVEN MORE ROOM IN THERE, BUT IT JUST TAKES UP REAL ESTATE. 
          SO YOU HAVE AN EXTRA ROOM IN THERE. 
          I, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, A LOT OF SUV'S AND BIG TRUCKS IN TEXAS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST THINK MAYBE I'M NOT, WE CAN LIMIT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. 
          I HAVEN'T READ EXACTLY ALL THE DETAILS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT COMPACT. 
          LIKE, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF COMPACT SPACES, OR WE EVEN HAVE THAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WE DON'T IDENTIFY COMPACT SPACES OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE GO INTO JUST THE STANDARD COMMUNITIES HAVE KIND OF GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT THIS, BECAUSE THEY WERE REALLY HARD TO ENFORCE AND PEOPLE DON'T COMPLY WITH THEM, THEY JUST, THEIR PIPE, THEY PARK THEIR F-150 IN THIS SMALL SCHOOL. 
          RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SOMETHING I WANT TO MENTION IS HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE ANY PARKING SPACES WILL FULLY OCCUPIED, WHEREAS SELDEN, RIGHT? THEY ONLY PARKING LOT CLEAN TO HAPPEN. 
          I'VE NOTICED IT HAS, IS PETE, PETE GILDING, PIANO. 
          AND IN CROSS WHEN THEY BOTH OPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY GET HOT PEOPLE POP INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER, CREATE MORE PROBLEMS, BUT IT IS SOUTHERN HAT. 
          AND, UH, AND IF I'M THE CUSTOMERS, I WAS ROBBED AND MOVED BACK SO I CAN HAVE MORE DRINKS. 
          I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY. 
          SO PHASE CHANGING. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FACE TO A STRINGENT AND THEN IT DOESN'T DO IT. 
          WELL, THE OTHER BUSINESSES ARE MOST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE THERE AROUND THE PETE'S DOING LIKE CANNAVARO CLOSED COMMUNITY HERE, THE WHEREVER, WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING THERE FOR IS GOING ON. 
          CAUSE THERE'S THE COMEDY CLUB. 
          SO THEY HAVE A HIGH ACT. 
          IT'S ALL CROWDED. 
          IT'S OVER HERE. 
          MAY I ADD ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE SECTION? CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ON WHY A MICROBREWERY OR GROUP SERVES FOOD HAS A LOWER REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING IN A RESTAURANT IT'S ON PAGE 23. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THIS AFTERNOON AND IT'S A, UM, THAT'S A DIRECT REFLECTION OF SOMETHING ELSE. 
          PEER COMMUNITIES THAT DO IT THAT WAY. 
          TRYING TO REMEMBER EXACTLY. 
          I WAS AT A RESTAURANT IN BELK, OR I'D BE A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT YOUR REQUIREMENT PUTTING THREE TIMES MORE PARKING THAN A, THAN A PLACE THAT CALLS HIMSELF AT BREWERY THAT SERVES FOOD. 
          I MEAN, I'LL JUST CHANGE MY, MY NAME, MY DESTINATION. 
          COULD IT BE THAT THE BREW SIDE OF THE THING IS HE'S DEALT WITH A BUNCH OF REAL ESTATE. 
          IT GOES BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL POINT THAT IT'S LIKE, DEPENDING ON THE ACTUAL, WHAT THAT RESTAURANT IS, RIGHT. 
          IF IT WERE READ UNDERNEATH THERE'S ONE GUY BACK THERE AND A BIG KITCHEN, AND YOU ONLY HAVE SPACE FOR 20 PEOPLE WHEN YOU DON'T NEED, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ONE FOR 300 REALLY WAS, DO WE COUNT THE BREWERY SECTION AS, AS PART OF THE GROSS FOOTAGE WHEN THAT'S MORE OF A BUSINESS AS OPPOSED TO A RESTAURANT? YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY DO THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT WANNA, THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COPY AND MAKE THAT CALCULATION. 
          SO THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, YOU HAVE YOUR BREWERY. 
          WE KNOW THAT NORMAL BREWERIES ARE 40% OF THEIR SPACE IS USED UP BY BIG TANKS IN THE WAREHOUSE. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU HAVE LESS REQUIREMENT FOR, THAT'D BE MY GUESS. 
          I MEAN, I'VE DONE OTHER PROJECT TOWNS WHERE THEY LITERALLY IT'S LIKE YOU DO A BUILDING. 
          IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THEY HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN INTO OFFICE VERSUS A LITTLE STORAGE ROOM VERSUS A HALL IN THE COMMON AREAS. 
          WE'RE NOT WILLING TO CRAZY CALCULATIONS ON, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS, THIS IS MY CALCULATION FOR NUMBER OF SPACES AND IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO TRACK IT FOR STAFF AND CALCULATE IT. 
          AND SO, BUT I MEAN, RESTAURANTS ARE WHAT DRIVES A LOT OF OUR BUSINESS HERE IN ANNISTON. 
          AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE US PUT SOMETHING IN A CODE THAT MAY NOT BE REVISED FOR ANOTHER 10 OR 15 YEARS. 
          WHEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN TO MARY'S POINT, WE ARE GETTING MORE INTO UBER AND THEN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING SHOULD BE KIND OF DOWN, WHEREAS A HUNDRED PER SQUARE. 
          THAT'S THAT'S, TO ME, THAT SEEMS PRETTY RIDICULOUS. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW WE DID ONE THE OTHER DAY FOR 70, UM, BUT WE'VE DONE SOME FOR 2 52, 25, 300. 
          I MEAN, WE'D BE ABLE TO SOME OF THESE RESTAURANTS, A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY, AND I WOULD RATHER JUST KIND OF GO FROM 70 A HUNDRED PERCENT WHY IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT, BUT I'D RATHER PUSH THAT TOWARDS 200. 
          WE THINK THAT'S STILL TOO LOW. 
          100. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE MAKING A DIFFERENT POINT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GROUP OF PARKING SPACES 
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AND THE, THE RESTAURANT, I MEAN BROKE UP LIKE 300 TO 300. 
          THIS ONE IS 101 TO 100. 
          I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT UP MORE TOWARD THE 200 RANGE, RECOGNIZING THAT UBER'S ARE COMING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL BE DOING THAT MORE, MORE PEOPLE HOPEFULLY BECOMING ON THE ORANGE LINE, COTTON BELT LINE, UM, AND NOT REQUIRING CARS, BUT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE WERE REQUIRING RESTAURANTS TO PUT IN 2D OR TO, THIS IS PRETTY, PRETTY, PRETTY HARSH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, SEVERAL THINGS THERE. 
          WE, YEAH, I THINK WE AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE AS BIG A DIFFERENCE AS THERE IS BETWEEN THE RATIOS FOR RESTAURANTS AND BREWPUBS, SO WE'LL GO BACK AND TALK WITH KEN ABOUT THAT. 
          AND I THINK, TRY TO RECONCILE THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          ONE OF THOSE PARKING ALTERNATIVES THAT'S IN PLACE, THAT'S AN AUTOMATIC REDUCTION IS ADJACENT TO FX TRANSIT STATION, LIKE THE TRAIN COMING IN. 
          SO THAT, SO THAT'S KIND OF, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT TOO, THAT THE STATION OR STOPPED, BUT THEN ALSO JUST TO FINISH THE PART OF THE QUESTION. 
          SO WE'RE BACK ON THE, UM, THE RATIO OF 100, NOT BEING A BIG ENOUGH JUMP FROM 70. 
          I JUST WANT TO HEAR IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO WEIGH THAT OUT. 
          I THINK PERCENTAGE WISE, IT SEEMS TO BE A LARGE JUMP. 
          I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT EVEN A LARGER CHUNK. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          WE JUST HAVEN'T HEARD THAT COMMENT BEFORE. 
          SO I LIKE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE, ANYBODY ELSE WEIGH IN ON THAT? IF YOU'VE GOT THOUGHTS, HOW MANY GROUP HUBS DO WE HAVE IT? THIS IS WHY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL HAVE IT OUT TO, WE WILL HAVE  SUFFICIENTLY LARGE PARKING LOT  SQUARES. 
          I THINK BIRD PROBLEMS GET TRICKY IS WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE A DESTINATION TYPE GROUP OF LIKE TUFTS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN KENNY ROBBERY AND IN FORT WORTH. 
          SO SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T FIT NEATLY IN A BOX, BUT TO USE THE BIDDER SISTERS EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE OUR RATIO LIKE WHAT'S IN THE CODE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          CAUSE IT'S MORE LIKE A FLEX SPACE THAN SAY A RESTAURANT OR A TASTY ENVIRONMENT THAT MAYBE SOME INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS THERE AND PRODUCTION, BUT THEN ALSO A PLACE TO HANG OUT. 
          JUST THINK TWICE. 
          IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT OUT ON THE 100, JUST IT. 
          IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT LOCAL COMPS, THAT'S WHAT PLANO AND FRISCO EASES. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY EITHER OF THOSE CITIES HAVE CHALLENGES WITH PARKING AT RESTAURANTS. 
          AND I KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT ISSUES LIKE THAT TOO, AS WELL. 
          SO IT, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO EVEN BE CONTINUING, TO LOOK CRITICALLY AT THAT NUMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A LOT ON PARKING. 
          WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A MEATY TOPIC. 
          I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO MADISON, RIGHT?  THOMAS SALARY SUGGESTION ABOUT IT, 72 STREET, THEN ONE, 100, YOU KNOW, STILL, STILL TOO MUCH WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION, WE MIGHT CONSIDER 1, 1 20 OR ONE 50. 
          SO YOU'RE GETTING ALL THE LAND HAVE BETTER USE OTHERWISE WASTED. 
          IF YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN, HOW OFTEN YOU SEE ALL THE PARKING LOT IS FULL, NOT EVEN HALF, THEN YOU'RE JUST WASTED MORE THAN THAT USE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S WISE. 
          IF YOU LIVE IN OVERSEAS IN EUROPE OR IN ASIA, YOU'LL FEEL, MAN, THIS IS A WASTE WASTE OF THE SPACE. 
          JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER EILEEN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ON PAGE 38 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT OVERNIGHT PARKING, UM, THERE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDISON FOR OVERNIGHT. 
          PARKING IS NOT ALLOWED. 
          AND IN THAT SECTION THERE, IT DOESN'T MENTION CARS AT ALL. 
          IT JUST MENTIONS BIG VEHICLES. 
          UM, SO I THINK THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF, UM, PROVISION IN THERE FOR REGULAR OLD CARS. 
          AUTOMOBILE  2:00 AM TO 6:00 AM. 
          NO, NO. 
          THE VEHICLES WAS WHOEVER CAN PARK ON THE STREETS, RIGHT? IT'S NO PARKING ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME. 
          YOUR HOA COVENANTS IS AN HOA COMMUNITY, BUT THAT IS THE TOWN. 
          SO WE MIGHT NEED TO PULL IN SOME OF THE RELATED PROVISIONS THAT ARE ALREADY ELSEWHERE IN THE VEHICLE. 
          IT'S IN THE BIG BOOK. 
          GOOD, GOOD CATCH. 
          WELL, AND THEN ONE MORE, SORRY. 
          I DID 
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READ THIS. 
          YOU CAN TELL RYAN, OKAY. 
          SO PAGE 39 UNDER MAINTENANCE, WHEN IT SAYS ALL IMPROVED PARKING STRUCTURE SURFACES IN MY CLASSES, UM, SHALL BE MAINTAINING GOOD AND SAFE CONDITION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          WHAT'S OUR ENFORCEMENT ON THAT. 
          WHO DOES ENFORCEMENT OF THAT? YOU CAN GO TO PRIVATE PROPERTY PORTION. 
          IF IT'S SOMETHING, IF IT'S CITY RIGHT AWAY, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT PRIVATE PROPERTY CODE TEAM, MY DEPARTMENT ADDRESSES THAT THEY DO THE SNAPPING. 
          WE TRY TO BE PROACTIVE AS WE, AS WE CAN. 
          UM, WITH OUR CURRENT STAFFING, WE'RE MORE REACTIVE THAN PROACTIVE. 
          THE GOAL IS TO BECOME MORE PROACTIVE CHECK ON BELTLINE. 
          WE VISITED THAT HOUSE OFF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          YOU COULD USE A LITTLE SHIT. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO ZIP US ALONG JUST CAUSE I WANT TO RESPECT Y'ALL'S TIME. 
          THERE'S UM, TALKING ABOUT VALET PARKING LATER OR IS NOW THE RIGHT TOPIC TALKS ABOUT ACTUALLY NOW'S THE TIME SO WE CAN RIGHT ALONG. 
          BUT, UM, I DIDN'T SEE, I SAW ONE THING THAT MENTIONED VALET PARKING, BUT THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING THAT, AND THIS IS WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          SO Y'ALL SAW IT BACK IN THE FIRST INSTALLMENT OF THE CODE WHEN WE CAME OUT WITH THE NEW STANDARDS, BECAUSE THE WAY VALET PARKING IS SET UP RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S AN ALLOWED, UM, UH, ACCESSORY USE ON A SITE. 
          AND SO IT'S WITH THEM, ALL THOSE ACCESSORY USE STANDARDS AND THAT'S WHERE WE PULL IT FORWARD. 
          CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY? CAUSE I, YEAH. 
          SO IN SUMMARY, WHAT IS IT, WHAT DOES IT SAY? WE ALLOW A NOT, WELL, YOU HAVE, I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE A MORE ROBUST SECTION ON VALET PARKING THAN WE'VE PROBABLY SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. 
          YOU CLEARLY HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH REGULATING THAT PARTICULAR ACTIVITY. 
          AND SO YOU'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THOSE. 
          IT LAYS OUT REQUIREMENTS FOR OPERATION OF A VALET PARKING AND FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE HAVE BEEN CARRIED FORWARD, BUT WE SUPPLEMENTED THOSE DISTRICTS AND USE, RIGHT. 
          AND WE CAN GIVE YOU A PAGE REFERENCE. 
          UM, WE WERE ACTUALLY JUST BEFORE THE MOVEMENT, YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP, BUT, UM, SO WE HEARD COMMENTS THAT VALET PEOPLE USING GIMME VALET ARE TAKING AWAY PRIME PARKING SPACES. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOCATING THAT VALET AREA KIND OF RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE. 
          AND SO THAT'S TAKING AWAY PRIME PARKING SPACES. 
          UH, WE HEARD THAT THEY'RE DEDICATING TOO MUCH OF THEIR, UH, OF THEIR PROVIDED PARKING JUST TO VALET. 
          AND SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST SHOWING UP ON THE SITE AS DROPDOWNS. 
          SO I THINK WE, WE TOOK SOME STEPS TOWARD ADDRESSING THOSE COMMENTS IN THAT FIRST DRAFT. 
          WE SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT YOU CANNOT USE ANY, YOU CAN'T RESTRICT ANY OF YOUR, YOU CAN'T RESTRICT SO MANY SPACES THAT TO VALET, UH, MORE THAN ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT LAND USE. 
          I THINK WE ADDED IN SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT. 
          THE PAGE NUMBER IS 79, BUT IT'S OF THE FIRST MODULE, NOT IN THAT PARTICULAR . 
          SO THERE ARE A LARGE SET OF OPERATIONAL STANDARDS. 
          ONE OF WHICH IS THAT, UM, THE VALET PARKING SERVICE HAS TO BE OPERATED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT USE OR OCCUPIED MORE OFF STREET VEHICLE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE PURSUANT TO THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M GOING TO BE TO LOOK AND THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          I'M GOING TO SHARE SOME THOUGHTS WITH THIS GROUP. 
          UM, WHAT THE, THE SCENARIO, PROBLEM SCENARIO THAT I'VE BEEN SEEING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE TO SEE IT IS, IS YOU'VE GOT A, A DEVELOPMENT WITH A LANDOWNER, A DECENT SIZED LANDOWNER WITH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TENANTS, LET'S JUST SAY, UM, 3,200. 
          UM, AND, AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE THIS ONE TENANT, UM, VALET PARKING PRIVILEGES, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM TO SOME OF THE OTHER TENANTS. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN FURTHER WHAT YOU HAVE IS A VALET PARKING COMPANY WHERE THEY COME UP AND JUST BLOCK OFF, UH, MAYBE 40, 40 SPOTS IN FRONT OF, LET'S SAY A RESTAURANT, BUT ALSO OTHER TENANTS, 
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OTHER BUSINESSES BUY THAT RESTAURANT, SOME OF WHICH MIGHT BE COMPETING RESTAURANTS. 
          AND, AND SO IT'S JUST, AND, AND SOMETIMES WHAT I THINK I'VE SEEN IS THE VALET COMPANY, DOES IT REALLY KEEP UP WITH MAYBE THE AGREEMENT OF HOW MANY SPOTS AND WHERE THESE SPOTS GO? SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WILD, WILD WEST. 
          AND, AND I'VE SEEN, UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE SEEN SOME, SOME GOOD HARDWORKING BUSINESSES GO OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE THEIR CUSTOMERS, THEY GO TO THE FREQUENT THIS RESTAURANT AND THEY CAN'T EVEN FIND A PLACE TO PARK BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE OF SOME VALET PARKING SCENARIO, AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE OTHER, THE OTHER SITUATION IS, IS THEY, THEY BLOCKED OFF ALL THE PREMIUM SPOTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARTICULAR TENANT. 
          UM, AND TO ME, I'M NOT AGAINST VALET PARKING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SPOTS BLOCKED OFF MAYBE A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE PLACE THAT'S USING IT AND NOT, NOT BLOCKING OTHER TENTS. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT MAYBE IN THIS PROCESS, WE CAN CRAFT SOMETHING WITH TOM'S HELP. 
          UM, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW IS SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT NEEDED AND IT'S HURTING, HURTING SOME TENANTS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN CONTROL?  IT DEPENDS ON THE PEAK. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND SOME, UH, SOME OF THE SITUATION LIKE, UH, THE SITUATION THIS WEEKEND, I DON'T WANT TO MENTION, UH, RESTAURANTS, BUT, UM, BIG, HUGE SPRAWLING PARKING LOT WHERE YOU JUST NEED IT AND THEY'RE JUST BLOCKING OFF AND YOU HAVE TO  RIGHT. 
          AND THEN HAVE A SPONSOR EMPTY IN YOUR PARKING. 
          RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE, BECAUSE I CAN THINK OF SOME EXAMPLES. 
          NICE TO ME THAT, TO ME, TO ME, THAT'S A LANDLORD ISSUE. 
          THAT'S A TENANT LANDLORD ISSUE. 
          IF THAT THE GUY WHO IS LEASING THE SPACE, I HAVE HIM AS A, MY PLACE, NOT IN ADDISON, BUT I USED TO HAVE SOMEBODY PARKED ALL ACROSS THE FRONT OF MY SPACE. 
          I JUST HAD TO GO TALK TO THE GUY. 
          AND HE ACTUALLY SAID, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THOSE SIX SPOTS RIGHT THERE FOR YOU OR WHATEVER THEY TO PICK TOOK CARE OF IT. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, I HAVE TO GO TALK TO MY LANDLORD OR YOU MAKES THOSE GUYS DO IT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T SEE US GETTING INTO THE MIDDLE OF TELLING THESE GUYS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S HARD TO CONTROL. 
          THAT'D BE HARD FOR STAFF TO CONTROL. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL BAD FOR THE GUY THAT HE GOES OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE NOBODY CAN PARK IN FRONT OF HIM, BUT HE SHOULD GO TALK TO HIS LANDLORD AND SAY, YOU NEED TO RESERVE THESE, THEY CAN'T PARK HERE. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE COMMITTEE TODAY WAS, WAS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REQUIRING A PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, CERTAIN APPLICANTS MAY BE NEEDED TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION UPFRONT, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE MAYBE THEY'VE GOT TO PROVIDE A LIGHTING PLAN OR A LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO PROVIDE A PARKING MANAGEMENT AND ACCESS PLAN THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE VALLEY SERVICES, UH, SHOWS MORE CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THOSE SPACES WHERE THOSE VALET, UH, SPOTS WILL BE VERSUS, UH, THE REST OF THE SPOTS? IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE IDEA OF THE SHARED PARKING, UH, UH, AGREEMENT THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE CURRENT GRAPH RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK IN YOUR CURRENT REGULATIONS, YOU HAVE LIKE THIS VALET PARKING LICENSE, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT'S REQUIRED ON THAT DOESN'T REALLY GET TO SOME OF THE SPECIFICS THAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT WHERE THE PARKING SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED. 
          SO THAT COULD BE BEEFED UP, AND THAT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED FOR GOVERNMENTS TO, TO GET INVOLVED IN THE SETTING OF THOSE THINGS. 
          IT'S, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S SEPARATELY, IT'S IN LICENSES. 
          IT'S NOT PART ZONING, BUT IT'S NOT IMPRESSIVE. 
          THEN. 
          I MEAN, I CAN SEE, I CAN SEE US REQUIRING THAT IF, IF, IF BY YOU, BY PROVIDING BALLET THAT WE GET ACCEPTION TO SOME OF THEIR PARKING SPOTS AND BEING PART OF THAT PROCESS, LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YOU CAN DO 10 SPOTS LESS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO SEE YOUR BALLET PLAY AND LEARN ABOUT VALET PARK, ALL THESE GUYS ON THE BACKLOG, BEHIND THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF UP FRONT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, BUT IF SOMEBODY IS PARKING IT AT ENOUGH SPOTS FOR THEIR USE, I DON'T SEE HOW, HOW IT'S OUR BUSINESS TO GET INVOLVED IN WHAT THEY DO WITH THOSE POINTS. 
          I PAID FOR A BALLET. 
          I WANT MY CAR FAST. 
          I'M NOT WAITING FOR HIM TO GO TO THE NORTH 40, TO BRING MY CAR BACK. 
          AND THEY'RE DRIVING MY CAR MORE OFTEN THAN I WANT HIM TO BE IN IT. 
          SO, I MEAN, THERE'S, IT'S A TOUGH ONE. 
          AND I THINK IT'S MORE MANAGEMENT ISSUE, BUT HONESTLY IT'S HARD BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S SO WITHOUT NAMING NAMES, CAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT, THERE'S DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AROUND TOWN, BUT THERE'S ONE SCENARIO. 
          AND IF I SAY THE LOCATION, IT GIVES THEM LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU'RE THE BUSINESS OWNER AND YOU'RE PAYING $12,000 A MONTH TO HAVE A BALLET SURFACE, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH GOING 
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TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS. 
          AND IF YOUR NEIGHBOR DOESN'T PAY TO HAVE A VALET SERVICE, THEN THE NEIGHBOR'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO THRIVE AND SURVIVE AND BE SUCCESSFUL CONSIDERING WHAT THE REVENUE STREAM IS AND WHAT THEIR CAPACITY IS. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO AS A TOWN, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT WOULD BE POLICY LIES IS TO MAYBE TALK IN ANOTHER SETTING ABOUT WAYS TO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE SIGNAGE OR DO SOME KIND OF A CAMPAIGN LIKE A MARKETING CAMPAIGN ABOUT HERE'S WHERE YOU PARK AND A CIRCLE OR JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE, BUT, UM, IT'S TRAINING YOUR CUSTOMERS. 
          AND IF YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE YOUR SANDWICHES AND THEY WANT TO COME EAT YOUR SANDWICHES AND YOU WANT THEM TO COME AT YOUR SANDWICHES, THEN EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, SHOULD TRAIN AND STRUCT, SHOW YOUR CUSTOMERS HOW TO GET TO YOUR SANDWICH. 
          AND IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PAY $12,000 A MONTH FOR VALET, THEN YOU GOT TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST A BUSINESS, I GUESS I'LL JUST SUM IT UP WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD FOR ALL THESE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ONE PER WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN EARLY ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON OR A SATURDAY AFTERNOON, AROUND THREE, THREE TO 4:00 PM, I SEE THE VALET GUY, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, 40 CONES BLOCKING OFF 40 SPOTS. 
          AND I'M SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF OUR MEETINGS AND ALL OF OUR P AND T MEETINGS OR TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT. 
          AND THE BALLET GUY GOES, AND HE DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT ME, HIS MAP, MAYBE RIGHT. 
          MAYBE WRONG, MAYBE HE'S READING AND MAYBE HE'S NOT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST MESS. 
          UM, SO I THINK, I THINK WE, WE BETTER, AND I LOVE THE THOUGHT THAT YOU HAVE IS MAYBE VALET AROUND THE CORNER, BUT I'M NOT SEEING IT. 
          I SEE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO CODE. 
          I THINK I STILL THINK IT'S A MAN. 
          IT WAS UP TO ME. 
          I WOULD SAY, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS ANYWHERE. 
          AND YOU, YOU DEVELOP IT AND YOU TAKE THE RISK, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHILE I WAS GONE, YOU TALK ABOUT THE SHOPPING CENTER OVER AT PETE DOING PIANO, NOT SPECIFICALLY, NOT SPECIFICALLY. 
          IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST TROUBLESOME VALLEY PARKING AREA, YOU KNOW? UM, I THINK THE LANDLORD GIVE SO MUCH POWER TO TOM WHO EVOLVES THE IMPROV. 
          THEN THE OTHER LITTLE PIZZA GUY DON'T WANT TO EVEN HAVE A ONE POCKET OF SPACE DOING THE WEEKEND. 
          SO IT'S HARDER FOR THEM TO SURVIVE. 
          GOT SOME  MOVED AWAY. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO, YEAH, BUT LOOK, IT'S NOT A FAIR WAY TO DO BUSINESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE CITY HAS THE POWER TO MANAGE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUES. 
          IF, IF THE OWNER OF FINDING ITS WAY INTO TO MAKE HIS MONEY, YOU KNOW, WHY THE CITY SHOULD HAVE AUDIENCE GETTING INVOLVED WITH OWNER, YOU KNOW,  OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER, THEN WHAT . 
          YEAH. 
          HE'D GIVE HIM MORE WAY TO, UH, THOSE TWO BUSINESSES. 
          SO FOR US, THE SMALL GUYS, YOU KNOW, MOVING AWAY, BUT IT'S A BALANCE. 
          THEY MOVED AWAY. 
          SOMEBODY MOVED ANY RIGHT AWAY BY THEIR THAT'S ALL BUSINESS TO GET INVOLVED. 
          SO THAT'S, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS QUORUM TO ALL RIGHT, BUT I'M THINKING THIS IS, WELL, ONE OF THEM, HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THIS SITUATION? HOW CAN WE GOVERN THIS SAY, HEY, I OWN CERTAIN NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET OF THE SPACE. 
          DO I EARN AT LEAST TWO SPACE IN FRONT OF MYSELF? YOU KNOW? SO JUST LIKE THE SHAM CENTER OR MY SHOPPING CENTERS  YEAH. 
          HE SAID, THIS IS, COME ON EVERYBODY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO ANYBODY CAN POP ANYWHERE IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER, BUT LIKE, MEAN THOSE PLACES, JOE, YOU CAN, I MEAN, MY LEASE SAYS I GET SIX POPS IN FRONT OF SIX SPOTS AND BACK NEGOTIATE IT'S WRITTEN IN THE WEIGHT. 
          SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DEAL. 
          WHEN YOU SIGN THE LEASE, IF YOU ASSIGN WASTE 
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THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT, THAT'S AN ISSUE, NOT GETTING WHAT'S IN YOUR LEASE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER REMEDIES IT'LL BE FIXED. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR DEAL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET INVOLVED, BUT I'M GOING TO NOTICE ON, I'M GOING TO TRY AGAIN. 
          UM, WE HAVE TWO MORE TOPICS, SO WE'RE ON TRACK FOR BOTH 11 O'CLOCK AND HE SHOULD GO FASTER. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THESE WOULD BE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. 
          UM, JUST TO FINISH OFF PARKING NOTE CONVEO IS THERE, SO Y'ALL THANK YOU, EILEEN, FOR YOUR COMMENTS ALREADY. 
          UM, THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO INPUT WORK ON US. 
          DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO DO IT. 
          IT'S NOT HOMEWORK, BUT IT'S THERE TO SUBMIT SOME SPECIFIC HOMES. 
          QUALITY OF BUILDINGS. 
          THINK ABOUT VITRUVIAN. 
          THINK ABOUT US CIRCLE. 
          THINK ABOUT KIND OF THE PLACES THAT YOU THINK ABOUT MAKE ADDISON. 
          HOW DOES, UM, HOW YOU REGULATE THOSE IN THE CODE? THIS PART OF THE CODE IS, UM, NOT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, GETTING IT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. 
          IT'S NOT SAYING THAT BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE DESIGNED TO NEOCLASSICAL OR PUEBLO REVIVAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          IT'S MORE JUST MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE FUNDAMENTALS OF URBAN DESIGNER RESPECT. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE FUNDAMENTALS ARE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          I'VE GOT THESE SLIDES ORGANIZED BY KIND OF TYPES OF USES. 
          SO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR, YOUR RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY DUPLEX, LIKE YOU SEE HERE, UH, COMMUNITIES REGULATE, UM, BUILDING VARIETY SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT LIKE ANTI MONOTONY ORDINANCES. 
          YOU CAN'T BUILD THE SAME THING NEXT TO EACH OTHER. 
          UH, YOU'VE GOT TO INTEGRATE DIFFERENT NUMBER OF MODELS. 
          SOMETIMES THEY REGULATE EXTERIOR MATERIALS. 
          LIKE THE BRICK ORDINANCES THAT YOU SEE PRETTY COMMONLY THROUGHOUT NORTH TEXAS. 
          YOU START TO SEE MORE ROBUST STANDARDS WHEN YOU GET INTO HIGHER DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, UH, YOU START TO SEE STANDARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GET AT THINGS LIKE BUILDING ORIENTATION, MASS ENTRANCES. 
          WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE FUNDAMENTALS AGAIN OF JUST DESIGN. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROMINENT ENTRANCE THAT FACES THE ADJACENT STREETS, CONNECTED TO A SIDEWALK NETWORK, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, UH, BLOCKING, YOU KNOW, A MASS. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT, UH, DESIGNED WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OFFSETS, UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, UH, INCENSE OR OFFSETS OR, OR COLOR DIFFERENCES OR, UH, INTERESTING ROOF FORMS OR THINGS JUST OVERALL TO PREVENT KIND OF THAT BLOCKY ARMY BARRACKS CHARACTER THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO PROHIBIT. 
          IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE AGAIN, THE GOAL WITH A LOT OF THESE STANDARDS IS MOST COMMUNITIES IS NOT TO GET INTO DESIGNING BUILDINGS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          IT'S NOT TO SAY IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE THIS. 
          IT'S JUST TO PREVENT THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS. UM, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES START TO REGULATE EXTERIOR, FINISHED MATERIALS AS WELL. 
          YOU ALL HAVE EXPERIENCED IN THE US. 
          UH, SOMETIMES YOU'VE DONE IT THROUGH SPECIAL AGREEMENTS. 
          UH, SOMETIMES COMMUNITIES DO IT THROUGH JUST, YOU KNOW, MASONRY REQUIREMENTS AND THEY'RE PART OF THEIR GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK NORTH TEXAS HAS SOME OF THE MOST ATTRACTIVE BUILDING SMACK IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF WHAT ELSE, BASICALLY REQUIREMENTS, SAME TYPES OF STANDARDS APPLY FOR NON RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE. 
          JUST WANTED TO PUT THOSE OUT THERE. 
          OFTENTIMES YOU SEE STANDARDS THAT ADDRESS THINGS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING PLACEMENT AND ENTRANCES. 
          UH, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE, LIKE IF A MIXED USE BUILDING IS ON A PEDESTRIAN STREET, YOU MIGHT HAVE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS BUILDING, UH, ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. 
          SO THERE'S A WHOLE KIND OF MENU OF THINGS THAT COMMUNITIES LOOK AT. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALL COVERED IN THIS DRAFT AND THIS DRAFT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PARKING GRAPH. 
          THIS IS HOW IT'S LAID OUT. 
          YOU ALL HAVE CURRENTLY STANDARDS THAT ARE DISTRICT BASED. 
          SO YOU HAVE KIND OF, YOU HAVE SOME BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLIED TO THE BELTLINE DISTRICT. 
          SOME THAT APPLY IN THE ADDISON CIRCLE. 
          SOME THAT APPLY ELSEWHERE. 
          WE HAVE REORIENTED THAT IN THIS DRAFT TO BE, SHOULD BE TAILORED BY THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TYPES THAT THE SENIOR RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ET CETERA. 
          UM, THERE WAS A SECTION ON NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITIONS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT. 
          THIS DRAFT WAS WRITTEN, UH, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PREMISE THAT 24 39 THAT'S THAT STATE, UH, LIMITATION ON REGULATING MATERIAL. 
          THE ONLY MATERIALS PRETENDING THAT THAT JUST DIDN'T EXIST. 
          I THINK THE, THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GIVEN WAS TO GO AHEAD AND DRAFT THIS LIKE THAT WASN'T IN PLACE. 
          AND SO THE DRAFT THAT YOU SEE THERE REFLECTS THAT KIND OF DRAFTING PHILOSOPHY. 
          WE JUST PRETENDED LIKE THAT RESTRICTION ON REGULATING BUILDING MATERIALS WASN'T THERE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY KIND OF CAVEAT OR LIKE INTRO TO THIS WHOLE PIECE. 
          SO KEEP THAT IN MIND, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR STATUTE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, JUST TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE, BUT JUST TO, TO FURTHER FLUSH OUT WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN 
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THIS DRAFT. 
          UH, WE, WE AGAIN WENT FOR TOWN-WIDE STANDARDS, UH, FOR GREATER CONSISTENCY ACROSS PROJECTS TO GENERATE FROM THAT KIND OF DISTRICT SPECIFIC APPROACH, JUST LIKE WHERE YOU SAW WITH THAT PARKING EXAMPLE WITH OFFICE, WHERE WE TRIED TO MOVE AWAY FROM STANDARDS FOR PARTICULAR DISTRICTS INTO ONE FLAT STANDARD FOR THAT USE HERE. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TO THE GENERAL TOWN-WIDE STANDARDS THAT ARE MORE PREDICTABLE, EASY, EASIER TO ADMINISTER THE APPLICABILITY OF THESE STANDARDS WOULD BE BASED ON THE EXTENT OF THE PROJECT. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION ALTOGETHER AND YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE WHOLE THING, BUT IF IT'S REDEVELOPMENT OF SOME SCALE, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR REQUIREMENTS MIGHT BE STAGGERED DOWN. 
          ALL THE NEW STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY ARE INTRODUCED, UH, GETTING IT A LOT OF THE TOPICS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE SLIDES, BUT FOR THE, THOSE ARE NEW, BUT FOR THE MIXED USE AND THE NON RESIDENTIAL STUFF, WE REALLY TRIED TO PULL FORWARD. 
          A LOT OF THE GOOD THINKING THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE IN THE BELTLINE DISTRICTS AND THE ADDISON CIRCLE DISTRICTS, THAT'S UC, AND TRY TO USE THOSE AS THE BASELINE FOR GENERAL CITYWIDE STANDARDS. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE THINKING BEHIND THOSE GENERAL STANDARDS. 
          WE DID INTRODUCE THESE NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION STANDARDS AS WELL, UH, WHICH IS JUST THIS GENERAL IDEA THAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO PRO PROTECT STABLE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, OFTEN LOWER DENSITY AREAS FROM THE BIGGER STUFF THAT MAY COME IN NEARBY. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW, THIS IS DRAFTED PRIMARILY WITH KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL CONTROLS. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT SOME HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS TO STEP DOWN, YOU KNOW, FOR BIGGER BUILDINGS THAT COME IN ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THESE ARE PRETTY COMMON TOOLS AND PLACING CODES AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, WE COULD GO EVEN FURTHER, YOU KNOW, WITH RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY AND, AND WE COULD INTRODUCE MORE THINGS TO HELP PROTECT THESE AREAS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE DRAFTED CODES THAT, YOU KNOW, LIMIT THE USES THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN THIS TRANSITION. 
          SO MAYBE YOU CAN'T HAVE DRIVE-THRU USES THINGS LIKE THAT TO, TO JUST FURTHER PROTECT THOSE AREAS OR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          SO THAT'S A NEW PART OF THIS DRAFT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE DRAFTED IT. 
          UM, THERE'S UH, THERE'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THIS, THIS STATUTE OUT ON THE TABLE. 
          A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE, JUST, JUST REPEATING SOME OF THE KEY OPERATIVE LANGUAGE FROM THE NEW STATE LIMITATIONS. 
          UH, Y'ALL MIGHT'VE SEEN THIS, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN AWHILE, UH, GOVERNMENT MAY NOT ADOPT OR ENFORCE A REGULATION THAT PROHIBITS OR LIMITS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY THE USER INSTALLATION OF A BUILDING PRODUCT OR MATERIAL IN CONSTRUCTION OR ALTERATION IN A RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL BUILDING. 
          IF IT'S ALLOWED A NATIONAL MODEL CODE PUBLISHED WITHIN THE LAST THREE CODES. 
          SO IF A MATERIAL IS ALLOWED IN SOME NATIONAL CODE, THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE, MOSTLY, THEN YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T REGULATE OR RESTRICT THAT, THAT MATERIAL, UM, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY JEN INCLUDED PERCENTAGE, MAN, NO, IT'S JUST A FLAT, YOU SHALL NOT. 
          I MEAN, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S MATERIAL IT IS IN THERE, CAN YOU LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF THAT MATERIAL IT'S ALLOWED? SO NATURALLY CINDY'S CANNOT ESTABLISH A STANDARD FOR A BUILDING PRODUCT MATERIAL OR AESTHETIC METHOD ON A BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION OR ALTERATION, IF SAME THING, IF IT'S MORE STRINGENT THAN A NATIONAL CODE PUBLISHED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S PRETTY, THAT'S PRETTY SWEEPING, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF ITS PROHIBITIONS, BUT IT'S NOT GETTING IT, EVERYTHING THAT I SHOWED YOU IN THOSE PICTURES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE STILL ON THE TABLE IN TERMS OF REGULATING, YOU KNOW, BUILDING QUALITY, ALL THOSE, REMEMBER I TALKED ABOUT JUST BUILDING ENTRANCES AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING STUFF. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT TIME. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT AFFECT DEVELOPMENT QUALITY THAT DON'T GET AFFECTED BY THAT, BUT THIS DOES HAVE A BIG BITE AND IT DOES GET IT, THE EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, IN A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WAY. 
          NOW IT'S GOT A LOT OF EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE CARVED OUT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THESE TO YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, DOING AN ORDINANCE THAT'S, UH, IN A MAIN STREET STATE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO BE EXEMPT FROM THOSE EXEMPTIONS, FROM THOSE PROHIBITIONS ON THE PRIOR SLIDE, IF YOU'RE DESIGNATED FOR ONE OF THE RECOGNIZED HISTORIC DESIGNATION, CORPORATES, STATE, OR FEDERAL, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE AS WELL. 
          THIS IS A BIG ONE. 
          THAT'S A BUILDING LOCATED IN A PLACE WHERE AREA DESIGNATED FOR HISTORIC CULTURAL OR ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE AND SIGNIFICANCE. 
          IF THE CITY IS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS, OR IT'S GOT AN ORDINANCE THAT MEETS THE CLT REQUIREMENTS, OR THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE PRIOR TO APRIL, 2019, THAT DONE WAS DESIGNATED FOR HISTORIC CULTURAL OR AUCTION. 
          SO THE ACTION IN THIS AREA TODAY, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IS, IS REALIZING THAT OUR, OUR ASSUMPTION THAT THIS IS JUST GOING TO GO AWAY. 
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THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT THIS, THIS DIDN'T GO AWAY AS PART OF THE MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          THIS IS STILL HERE. 
          AND SO I THINK MOVING FORWARD COMMUNITIES ARE ALL STARTING TO GRAPPLE WITH HOW TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          HOW CAN WE START TO LOOK AT REGULATING BUILDING MATERIALS MOVING FORWARD? THIS IS NOT A FULLY FORMED CONVERSATION, BUT WE JUST WE'VE, WE'VE STILL BEEN BRAINSTORMING. 
          WE'LL BRAINSTORM WITH THE NEW CITY ATTORNEY THAT COMES ON AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. 
          BUT I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO REGULATE BUILDING MATERIALS ARE MAYBE ALLOWING FOR ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE PROGRAMS FOR, FOR SOME, UH, UNIQUE SITUATIONS, UM, MAINTAINING DESIGN GUIDELINES OUTSIDE THE CODE AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE FOLKS IN LEWISVILLE, I KNOW HAVE EXTERNAL DESIGN GUIDELINES AND YOU CAN GET BIG FEE WAIVERS FROM ALL YOUR DEVELOPMENT FEES. 
          IF YOU AGREE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE GUIDELINES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CODE, UH, MAYBE YOU BEEF UP STANDARDS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING AND OTHER TYPES OF BUILDING DESIGN THAT YOU STILL CAN REGULATE. 
          UH, BUT, BUT, UH, TO, TO, TO COMPENSATE FOR THE LACK OF ABILITY TO GET TO EXTERNAL EXTERIOR MATERIALS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, CERTAINLY AS A WAY TO NEGOTIATE AESTHETICS AND ACHIEVE SOME OF THOSE GOALS, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS ONE THAT'S POTENTIALLY ON THE TABLE FOR ASSETS MAINTAIN EXISTING DISTRICT-BASED STANDARDS THAT PREDATE THE STATUTE. 
          YOU KNOW, I KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW A LOT OF THOSE STANDARDS WERE FROM THE BELTLINE DISTRICT, WHICH PREDATES IN APRIL, 2019. 
          AND THAT WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THAT AREA'S IMPORTANCE. 
          YOU CAN ARGUE THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT, AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME ARGUMENT FOR KEEPING THAT DISTRICT INTACT IN SOME WAY, THERE'S A WAY TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THOSE CONTROLS, UM, BRAINSTORMING, WE'RE JUST BRAINSTORMING. 
          SO CLEARLY DISCUSSIONS NEED TO BE HAD WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          I THINK WE JUST WANTED TO THROW THIS OUT THERE TOO, TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS FOR STILL A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN DO TO REGULATE BUILDING QUALITY BEYOND BUILDING DESIGN. 
          AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THOSE, BUT, BUT COMMUNITIES ARE LOOKING FOR THESE WORKAROUNDS. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO PUT SOME OF THOSE ON THE TABLE. 
          WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE QUESTION TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY AND SAID UNTIL, IS THAT A PRIORITY FOR YOU, FOR ADDISON TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TRYING TO REGULATE THIS ISSUE? DO YOU THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK FOR SOME OF THOSE WORKAROUNDS? AND I THINK IT WAS A VERY UNIFORM HEAD NODDING AROUND THE TABLE. 
          THIS WAS, YEAH, THIS IS ALL REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE CULTURE OF ASAM. 
          SO, UH, IT'S, UH, I THINK THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF BUILDING A TOOLBOX, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE EXAMPLE THAT'S NOT UP HERE THAT, UH, KEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION IS IN PLANO. 
          THEY'VE GOT, UM, BASICALLY, UM, UM, VERY HIGH LANDSCAPING BUFFER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE THE BASELINE, BUT IF YOU AGREE TO COMPLY WITH CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, HIGHER QUOTE BILLING DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, THEN THOSE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, SO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED. 
          THAT'S A GREAT, SO OUR PARKING COUNT IS 1 25  I GREW A QUESTION THOUGH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE WE HAVE TOO MANY PDS AND ALL THOSE ARE BUILT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. 
          IS THAT NOT PUSHING US BACK INTO THAT? I GUESS I ALWAYS LIKED PDS PERSONALLY BECAUSE THEN IT'S NEGOTIATION, YOU KNOW, AYE, EXCELLENT POINT. 
          AND I THINK ANY OF THESE TOOLS THAT ARE PUT ON THE TABLE NEED TO BE LOOKED AT WITH THOSE, THOSE ORIGINAL PROJECT GOALS IN MIND AS A, AS A LENS, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO INCREASE PREDICTABILITY AND TO GET YOU OUT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATION BY NEGOTIATION, BY NEGOTIATION. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BACK OURSELVES INTO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTRARY TO THOSE PROJECT GOALS. 
          SO EXCELLENT POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT'S THE PRIMARY TOOL THAT CITIES ON THE NORTHERN END AND BE TOLD, WHY ARE YOU USING, UH, THEY'RE DEVELOPING A, A TEMPLATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE. 
          IT'S VOLUNTARY, IT'S PRESENTED TO THE APPLICANT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ADDRESSED WITH, UH, MOST PROJECTS. 
          SO, UH, THEY'VE HAD SUCCESS DOING IT. 
          UH, IT DOES NOT APPEAR AS IF THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON IT SO THAT THE MARKET IS DRIVING THAT ANYWAYS. 
          SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A POTENTIAL TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX THAT IF WE HAVE A GOOD FORMER AGREEMENT WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BORROW A BUNCH OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS INTO IT, THAT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FAIRLY EASY FOR STAFF TO ADMINISTER MIND 
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YOU, YOU USED TO GO GET PERMITS. 
          AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE STATUTE WAS, TOWN, HOW TO, HOW TO ACT ON SOMETHING OR CITY AND ACT ON SOMETHING WITHIN SO MANY DAYS OR ELSE IS AUTOMATICALLY GRANTED IN EVERY PLACE THAT I'M BACK THEN I HAD TO SIGN, YOU HAD TO SIGN A WAIVER BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN SUBMIT YOUR PAPERWORK SAYING WE'RE GOING TO EXEMPT THE ACCOUNT FROM DOING THAT. 
          AT THE SAME TIME THIS BILL WAS PASSED, THE BILL HAS PASSED HOW LONG THAT SHOT. 
          YEAH. 
          I BELIEVE A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE DEVELOPERS HAS TO WORK WITH CITY, WHETHER WE HAVE THIS HIGHLY DATA REQUIREMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT TO SUE THE CDC. 
          NO. 
          I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          I REMEMBER IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REQUIRED LIKE 80% OF MASONRY BREAK, YOU KNOW, 20% OF THE SIDING IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, ALSO WHAT KIND OF SIDING, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY YEARS DO A BIT OF D SO IF YOU SEE IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THE SUCCESS WITH DEVELOP, DEVELOP, THEY HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T EDIT THE TIES MORE AND MORE HIGH END CUSTOMERS WILL MOVE IN LIFE OR BUY THEIR HOME, OR AT LEAST, SO I BELIEVE THIS BILL DOESN'T REALLY GIVE CITY HIGH ALL HANDS OR, OR LAST TOO MUCH, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE EMILY THAT THE DEVELOPER GREYSTAR GOOD DEVELOPER, THEY WANT IT TO BE QUALITY DEVELOPER AS WELL. 
          YOU'VE CREATED A GREAT MARKET THAT PEOPLE WANT TO, RIGHT. 
          THEY COMPETE AND COMPETING. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY COMPETE GOOD DEVELOPERS. 
          THEY COMPETE TO EACH OTHER. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T FIT IT IN Z, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL EITHER. 
          YOU KNOW, SO, BUT WE ALSO DID THAT BASED ON ADHERENCE TO STANDARDS. 
          SO WE BUILT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, HOPEFULLY AT THIS POINT, THE PRECEDENT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED STRONGLY ENOUGH THAT IT WILL SURVIVE AND THRIVE THROUGH MARKET COMPETITION. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER TOOLS IN THERE, LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, OR CERTAIN DISTRICTS, WE SAY, OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO DO RESIDENTIAL, IT NEEDS TO BE SEVEN STORIES. 
          IT GETS THEM AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT, THAT DEVELOPER IS GOING TO HAVE THE BEST QUALITY EXTERIOR AND MATERIALS JUST BY THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY STICK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONFERENCE STRUCTURE. 
          SO THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET SOMEBODY TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE HIGHER STANDARDS FOR THE FINISHES ON, IS IT A CHALLENGE OF THE QUALITY THAT'S GOING TO DIMINISH YOUR, IS THAT JUST WHICH MATERIALS ARE BEING HERE? I THINK SO IT'S AN INTERESTING TOPIC. 
          I THINK IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF CASES, THE MARKET IS GOING TO PROVIDE A MATERIAL PILOT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN'S PREVIOUS STANDARDS. 
          YOU WILL HAVE SOME CASES AND WE'LL HAVE AN INTERESTING, UH, I'LL I'LL OR SHADOW SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INTERESTING CASE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION NEXT MONTH, WHERE SOMEONE IS A, A TOP-NOTCH BUSINESS THAT WAS, IS AS TRENDY AS YOU CAN GET, WE'LL BE PRESENTING A FACADE PLAN THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE TIMES MATERIAL, OLD MATERIAL STANDARDS, BUT IT IS DUE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND FORM THAT THEY DESIRE. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO CONSIDER. 
          SO THERE WILL BE SOME INSTANCES BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE DESIGN, UH, THEY MAY WANT TO USE UNIQUE MATERIALS AND UNIQUE MATERIAL PALETTE WHERE IT WON'T FIT NICELY IN THAT BOX, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN SEES VALUE IN BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUE AND INTERESTING, JUST A LITTLE HIGH CALL DATE, JUST IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          SO THERE MAY BE DESIRE FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON SOME OF THAT AT TIMES, BUT THERE MAY NOT BE, BUT YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET PROPOSALS THAT KIND OF MAKE YOU THINK ABOUT THAT ON A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY AT TIMES. 
          CAN THAT LEADS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTIONING HERE, AND THAT IS ABOUT COLORS BECAUSE IT SAYS THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON COLORS EXCEPT FOR FLUORESCENT COLORS. 
          AND I REMEMBER, UM, AND THIS MIGHT BE TOM AND JEREMY ON THEY'D BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS BETTER, BUT OVER IN ADDISON CIRCLE, WHEN THEY BUILT THOSE APARTMENTS AND THEY, THEY ENDED UP LIKE THE BRIGHT PURPLE AND OTHER THINGS, AND PEOPLE WERE JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS? HOW DID THIS EVER HAPPEN? SO ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS ON COLORS THAT WE WANT TO PUT IN PLACE OTHER 
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THAN FOR FLUORESCENCE? I MEAN, HOW DID, HOW HAS THAT CONTROL, LIKE AS, MAYBE AS A BETTER QUESTION? I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR Y'ALL UM, COLOR IS, UH, I THINK ONCE AGAIN, ONE OF THOSE REALIZATIONS WHERE I LIKE TO LET THE MARKET SORTED OUT. 
          BUT IF THERE'S COMMUNITY PREFERENCE FOR A COLOR PALETTE OR, OR NOT HAVING CERTAIN COLORS IN THE COLOR PALETTE, WE'D DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU. 
          SO WE CAN TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          THE INTERESTING THING IS, IS THAT, AND I LEARNED THIS FROM CARMEN. 
          WE USED TO ALWAYS, FOR EVERYBODY, IF THERE'S A PD IS A DIFFERENT STORY, CAUSE WE NEGOTIATE SOMETHING, RIGHT. 
          AND WE SAY EARTH TONES OR WHATEVER. 
          AND WE USED TO TELL EVERY ATTACK, EVERY APPLICANT THAT COLOR'S RESTRICTED TO THIS, TECHNICALLY WE COULDN'T REVIEW THAT MOST OF THEM ALL HERE TO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF LIKE KEEPING, KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          BUT REALLY THERE WASN'T A PIECE TO THAT COLOR WAS ALWAYS A HARD, WAS ALWAYS A HARD THING TO REGULATE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU COULD PROBABLY PAINT YOUR HOUSE, WHATEVER COLOR YOU WANTED, UNLESS YOUR HOA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE AN HOA, THEY PROHIBITED, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, IT GETS INTO SOME INTERESTING ISSUES OR WHATEVER. 
          DIDN'T SOMEONE SAY THAT IT'S A LOUD COLOR SCHEME. 
          UM, IT'S IT, IT PUTS ME INTO THAT CATEGORY. 
          WE DISCUSSED EARLIER OF BEING SUBJECTIVE VERSUS OBJECTIVE. 
          BUT IF THERE, IF THERE ARE PREFERENCES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, AS IT RELATES TO COLOR, WE WANT TO TRY TO BEST ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          SO INTERESTING BECAUSE ALL THOSE COLORS HAVE NOW CHANGED, BUT YOU'RE MUCH NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY BUILT, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. 
          THEN IT WAS A REAL EYE OPENER. 
          IT, IT IT'S IT'S GOOD SUBJECT. 
          YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER I WENT TO , YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A SOUTHERN AREA, THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERYBODY'S DOING DIFFERENT COLORS, SO BRIGHT, SO PREY. 
          SO IT'S A TOURIST AREA BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANT TO GO SEE DIFFERENT COLORS DOOR AND YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE AREA. 
          SO IT'S, IT HAS BECOME AN ATTRACTION. 
          SO, UM, BUT I STILL REMEMBER, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH RESTAURANT HAS USED TO HAVE PINK PETTING PINK OR SOMETHING THEN LATER ON KIND OF A FORCED TO CHANGE THE OTHER COLORS BACK TO 20 YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ON EDISON. 
          AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IS THAT TENS OF DEGREES, IT WILL BE FOUR. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. 
          SO ENJOY IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT GETS TO BE A REALLY TRICKY POLITICAL CONVERSATION. 
          IF YOU START GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, UH, BUT COMMUNITIES DO IT. 
          UM, AND TO BE OBJECTIVE, YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND BE PROACTIVE ABOUT WHICH COLORS ARE ALLOWED. 
          AND WE WORKED IN SEDONA ON THEIR CODE AND I'VE GOT ONE OF THE MORE SOPHISTICATED COLOR REGULATION SCHEMES I'VE SEEN IN THE COUNTRY. 
          AND THEY, THEY LITERALLY, FOR YEARS HAD A ROOM FULL OF SWATCH BOOKS. 
          THEN YOU HAD TO COME IN AND LOOK AT, AND THOSE WERE THE APPROVES WATCH BOX. 
          AND YOU HAD TO DO, YOU HAD TO CHOOSE SOMETHING OFF THOSE. 
          AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF THEM THEY'VE MOVED INTO ACCEPTING, UH, RGB RANGES. 
          AND YOU CAN SPECIFY ALL THAT STUFF DIGITALLY NOW, BUT IT'S STILL A VERY COMPLEX SYSTEM AND IT TAKES, THEY HAVE DEDICATED STAFF JUST FOR THE COLORS. 
           THIS OUT FOR NOW. 
          THAT'S THE COLORS THAT ARE POPULAR TODAY ARE NOT WHAT EVEN COPIED IN FIVE, 10 YEARS ANYWAY, DESIGNERS, ONE TIME, YEARS TOO, YOU KNOW, IT FEEDS A BUSINESS KIND OF THING. 
          SO I THINK IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO PUT IT IN THE BOX. 
          OFTENTIMES THE PROHIBITION SAYS X FLUORESCENT AND BLACK ARE PROHIBITED AND THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON WALL STREET JOURNAL JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. 
          I HAD A BIG ARTICLE ABOUT HOW COMMON BLACK ISN'T AS A PRIMARY HOUSE COLOR NOW. 
          AND IT'S LIKE THE HOT COLOR TREND AROUND FACE CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN THE FIX TO THAT IS THIS REALLY DEEP, MAYBE BLOOM. 
          WE'VE SEEN THAT IN HIS POCKET, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN TEXAS BECAUSE THERE'S ONE BY MY HOUSE, A COUPLE BLOCKS FROM THE HOUSE. 
          THEY WENT TO MEETINGS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THIS WAS ADVERTISED AS A TWO-HOUR MEETING. 
          SO WE HAVE ONE WORD SHORT TOPIC, BUT I WANT TO JUST GET DIRECTION FROM THE TWO MORE MINUTES. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO 74, THE TRANSITION BEING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ALMOST A VICTIM OF THIS BECAUSE AS AN DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLEAR, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING THE BUILDING AND STUFF. 
          I THINK THIS IS A GREAT SECTION. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER IS PERHAPS A HUNDRED FEET, 1500 OR ANOTHER 50 IS NOT ENOUGH. 
          UM, AND ALSO WINDOWS. 
          UH, WE ACTUALLY PAID, THEY APPROVED THE BUILDING OF A MONFRED AND ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS ON THE ENTRANCE TO OAKS NORTH OFF OF BELTLINE PROBABLY QUARTER MILE AWAY. 
          UM, AFTER THE FACT BECAME QUITE IRATE PEOPLE THAT BUILDING PROBABLY WITH A PAIR OF BINOCULARS 
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COULD SEE INTO THEIR BACKYARD POOL. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, CERTAINLY FROM A HUNDRED FEET, THAT WOULD BE A BIG ISSUE. 
          SO ELIMINATING WINDOWS, AS PART OF THIS NEW THING WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THEN LOOK AT THE 50 FEET. 
          CAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT HER A HUNDRED FEET RATHER, YOU'VE GOT A FOUR STORY BUILDING, WHICH IS A HUNDRED FEET FROM YOUR BACK DOOR. 
          THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH. 
          SO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HIGH REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT, BUT THE BUILDING IS BEING PROPOSED AS A FOUR STORY BUILDING AND IT WAS GOING TO COME WITHIN 20 FEET OF OUR HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          FORTUNATELY, HE GOT KILLED. 
          SO YOU'D BE IN FAVOR OF A PROHIBITION ON WINDOWS, ON THE SIDE OF THAT NEW BUILDING THAT FACED THE EXISTING GOOD ON HER FEET. 
          I WOULD, YES. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? IS THERE A CLASSIFICATION FOR A WINDOW THAT YOU CAN'T SEE OUT? IT'S A SKYLINE, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO LIKE AN OLD, SOME KIND OF GLASS WINDOWS IN BEDROOMS WAS A BIG DESIGN PROBLEM. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOUR HEIGHT DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS THERE IS FUNCTIONALITY AND LAW THAT WINDOWS ARE REQUIRED ON THE CIRCUIT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          YOU THAT'D BE SEEN OUT OF IT BECAUSE WE KNOW, BUT SOMETHING, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PUSHBACK FROM A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO CAN SEE DIRECTLY INTO THE WINDOWS IN THE BUILDING AND THEY FIGURED THEY COULD SEE THEM TOO. 
          SO SENSE OF THE ROOM. 
          DO WE WANT TO TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES BREAK THEN THE LAST TOPIC IS PRETTY SHORT, BUT WE CAN DO THAT. 
          I THINK THERE'S A DEFACTO BREAK GOING ON. 
           WE CAN JUST DO THE PICTURE SHOW. 
          YEAH. 
          THE PICTURE SHOW IS JUST PRETTY LIGHT ON THIS ONE. 
          UM, I MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING, COMMUNITIES ARE STARTING TO ADDRESS LIGHTING A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          WE SEE THIS OFTEN SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW, NOT DOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS. 
          I THINK AN IMPORTANT THING FOR THOSE ISSUES, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY, SAY THE USE IS HOUSING. 
          IT'S CHALLENGING TO SAY HOUSING CAN'T HAVE THAT PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY OR AS THE MARKETABILITY OF THAT PROJECT. 
          AND THEN IT BECOMES A LANGUAGE ISSUE. 
          WHETHER IT'S EVEN APPROPRIATE, IF IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE THAT DISTANCE, THE LAND USE PROBABLY ISN'T APPROPRIATE, BUT THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN DO LIKE FROSTED WINDOWS AND GLASS PLOT THAT SOLVE IT. 
          BUT IF, FOR ME, FOR ME, I'M PROBABLY NOT WANTING TO BUY A HOUSE WHERE I CAN'T LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND SEE A TREE AT THE SAME LANDSCAPE. 
          SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          I THINK THE, WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THOSE, THESE ISSUES THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT AND CONSIDER TESTING OUT THIS STANDARD, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER LINE OF SIGHT AND ACTUALLY A MODEL THAT BECAUSE OTHER THINGS YOU CAN DO AS WELL, SUCH AS LANDSCAPE BEING SCREENING HOLES THAT CAN HELP ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AS WELL. 
          SO SOMETIMES THE LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE CAN BE PERCEIVED AS, AS BEING A SERIOUS ISSUE. 
          BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT, IT MAY BE OBSCURED, BUT IF IT'S NOT OBSCURED AND THERE'S THAT ISSUE, THEN A ONCE AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LAND USE, BEING THERE TO BEGIN WITH OR THE DISTANCE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND YOUR EXAMPLE, TOM WAS, THERE WERE HALF A MILE AWAY OR YOU SAID, OR WERE JUST THERE. 
          THE ONE THAT WE APPROVED WAS ABOUT QUARTER MILE, BUT THEY WERE STILL, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHY I'M IN HOUSTON. 
          I HAD TALKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY COMPLAINED TO HIM. 
          AND SO WE WENT OUT THERE AND STOOD IN THEIR BACKYARD AND YES, THERE WAS A CLEAR CLASS, RIGHT OVER THE TOWN HALL, RIGHT INTO THE BUILDING ABOUT A QUARTER MILE AWAY. 
          WE THOUGHT THEY WERE BEING A LITTLE ABSURD. 
          BUT THEN WE STARTED HAVING, ESPECIALLY ABOUT WHAT WAS PROPOSED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT, WHICH WAS A FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT WAS GOING TO COME WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          UM, AND FORTUNATELY ONE OF THE CONCESSIONS THEY HAD IS THEY AGREED NOT TO PUT WINDOWS ON THAT ONE SIDE THAT FACED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEN EVENTUALLY IT DIDN'T GO FORWARD, FORTUNATELY, BUT EVEN, I MEAN, 20 FEET, FOUR STORY BUILDING. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN HERE THAT EVEN 50 FEET OR A HUNDRED FEET, THAT IF IT'S A FOUR STORY BUILDING AND LOOKING DOWN AND PEOPLE'S BACKYARD, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE, I THINK. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE HEIGHT OF THE DISTRICT, BUT APPARENTLY IT WAS OKAY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING PUTTING A FOUR-STORY BUILDING UP WITHIN 20 FEET OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP. 
          SO SAM STUDY AREAS, POLES, POSSIBLY SIMILAR CHALLENGES. 
          THAT EXACT ISSUE CAME UP WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING TODAY. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY APPLYING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND TESTING 
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IT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S NOT A SETBACK IT'S CONSIDERING WHAT USES ARE APPROPRIATELY IMMEDIATE ADJACENT, WHETHER YOU DO OPEN IS OPEN SPACE, TREATMENTS, LANDSCAPE, BUFFERS, SCREENING ELEMENTS, ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE TESTED OUT AS PART OF THAT PROJECT AND MODELS. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE BECAUSE THAT'S, IF THERE'S ANY ONE ISSUE THAT IS SURE TO BE AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS WELL AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT. 
          THAT IS THE CRITICAL ASPECT. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THE, ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES, IF NOT THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE AT THAT STUDY, BUT TRANSITION BETWEEN NEW AND OLD AND OLD, I SHOULDN'T SAY ESTABLISHED IS PROBABLY A BETTER TERM. 
          HAVE YOU HAD THAT CHALLENGING OTHER THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE I DEAL WITH IN MY CAREER. 
          AND IT'S WHY I CAME TO ADDISON IS I LIKE REDEVELOPMENT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE REDEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE ALWAYS HAD THAT TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT'S ESTABLISHED AND WHAT IS GOING TO REFLECT CHANGE IN THE AREA. 
          SO THAT IS THE CRITICAL, URBAN PLANNING ISSUE IN PLACES LIKE ADDISON AND PLAYING OUTSIDE. 
          IT'S FUN TO ADDRESS, BUT IT'S CHALLENGING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S BEING ADDRESSED BEFORE THIS. 
          I THINK WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO TO IMPROVE IT. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT STARTING POINT. 
          IT'S TYPICAL FOR WHAT YOU SEE IN KEVIN'S, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET TO A BETTER PLACE. 
          IT'S INTERESTING THAT PRIOR TO THE DRONE ERA, I REMEMBER YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOME OVER ON AT THE SACRAL TO VILLAGE, BUT OVER THERE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD LIKE A 10 STORY CONDO UNIT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY WE COULD GIVE A LOOK AT IT, THEY PUT THE FIRETRUCK UP THERE WITH A CAMERA ON THE TOP AND TOOK PICTURES OF EVERYBODY OVER THERE AND OAKS NORTH. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE, OKAY, WELL, HERE'S THE THING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT LOOKING RIGHT IN THE BACKYARD. 
          IT WAS, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY, THAT WAS THE WAY TO DO IT. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, SO OF COURSE IT PASSED, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT THAT KEEP PEOPLE'S PRIVACY LAST TOPIC, EXTERIOR LIGHTING. 
          I MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING. 
          UH, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STANDARDS ON LIKE THE CURRENT HOUSE IN ORDINANCE. 
          UM, WE, YOU MENTIONED IT IN THE ASSESSMENT REPORT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT OVERALL RAISING THE BAR FOR REGULATING DEVELOPMENT QUALITY. 
          UM, WE SEE THIS INCREASINGLY ADDRESSED, ESPECIALLY IN PLACES IN THE WEST, YOU KNOW, PLACES THAT ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT DARK SKY ISSUES AND, AND LIGHT POLLUTION. 
          UM, BUT IT'S MORE THAN THAT. 
          I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST THE AESTHETICS OF THE SITE. 
          IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE LIGHTING IS PART OF THE OVERALL DESIGN SCHEME. 
          AND OFTENTIMES IT'S ABOUT SECURITY ISSUES AS WELL. 
          AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S, UH, THE PEOPLE ARE SECURE. 
          UM, YOU OFTEN SEE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A KEY COMPONENT OF A LIGHTING ORDINANCE, SHIELDING STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING THAT FIXTURES, THE ACTUAL FIXTURES ON THE LIGHT BULB, YOU KNOW, BE, BE, BE FULLY SHIELDED. 
          SO THE LIGHT IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN. 
          UM, YOU OFTEN SEE PARTICULAR TYPES OF USES OR PLACES LIKE, LIKE GAS STATIONS, UH, WITH SPECIAL STANDARDS IN LIGHTING ORDINANCES. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT A BAD ONE, BUT SOMETIMES WILL SEE THE BIG GLOBE COMING DOWN, UH, FROM THAT CANOPY, WHICH REALLY CREATES, IT'S NOT A SHIELDED, UH, AND IT CREATES A REALLY OVERLOOKED SITUATION. 
          AND THE, OR THE POTENTIAL PROBLEM FROM THAT TYPE OF SITUATION IS, IS THE EDGE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE THAT REALLY OVERLAPPED PLACE. 
          IT CAN BE UNDERLINED. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE PLACES WHERE CRIME CAN OCCUR, WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE BIG DIFFERENCE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OVERLAY AND UNDERLAY. 
          AND SO PART OF THE EFFECTIVE LENDING ORDINANCE CAN BE THAT BALANCING OF THE LEAD IN PLACES IN THE ONLINE, UM, PARKING AREA, LIGHTING IS ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE YOU SEE THIS MOST COMMONLY, WHERE IT CAN BE MOST PROMINENT IN A PLACE LIKE ADDISON, BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE SO MANY PARKING LOTS AND Y'ALL DO HAVE SO MUCH OF THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. 
          I JUST HAVE A FEW COLOR, A FEW PICTURES ON THIS TOPIC, THE WAY THIS IS ORGANIZED IS IT'S KIND OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT, JUST LIKE ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STANDARDS. 
          WE HAVE A PURPOSE STATEMENT AND WE HAVE AN APPLICABILITY STATEMENT. 
          WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION PIECE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, MOST APPLICANTS SHALL SUBMIT A LIGHTING PLAN NOW AS PART OF MOST DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS IN THERE. 
          ONE IS, ONE IS PRETTY MINIMAL AND ONE OF THEM IS MORE DETAILED ABOUT WHAT THAT SHOULD, SHOULD INCLUDE, BUT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, YOU SHALL DEMONSTRATE HOW YOUR SITE IS GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE LIGHTING STANDARDS IN THE CODE. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME TYPES OF LIGHTING THAT ARE PROHIBITED. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT SOME STANDARDS THAT ARE LAID OUT IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          UM, TWO DIFFERENT TYPES, BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          AND YEAH, LIGHTING ORDINANCES REALLY RUN THE GAMUT AROUND THE COUNTRY FROM REALLY 
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SIMPLE, TO REALLY COMPLEX. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO FOR Y'ALL IN THIS DRAFT IS TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF TWO POINTS ON THAT SPECTRUM, SO TO SPEAK. 
          AND SO THE FIRST, UM, THE OPTION WE'RE CALLING IT THE SIMPLEST OPTION, BUT IT'S REALLY SHORT. 
          IT'S LIKE JUST ABOUT A HALF DOZEN PROVISIONS THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GETS AT THE KEYS, THE KEY ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF REGULATED LIGHTING. 
          IT SHALL BE A UNIFORM DESIGN ON THE SITE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM AND BEST PRACTICES OF THE NATIONAL LIGHTING ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, SPILLOVER LIGHTING IS PROHIBITED ACROSS PROPERTY LINES. 
          LIGHTS SHALL BE DIRECTED, DOWNWARD, FLASHING LIGHTS ARE PROHIBITED. 
          SO JUST TRYING TO GET AT SOME KEY ISSUES THAT ARE, UH, SOME OF THE MOST PROBLEMATIC LIGHTING ISSUES, AND YOU DON'T WANT FLASHING LIGHTS, BUT ALSO IT'S EASY TO ADMINISTER, ESPECIALLY WITH A SMALL STAFF. 
          THAT'S A BIG PART OF THIS. 
          UM, BECAUSE WHEN YOU START TO GET TO THE, THE OTHER TYPE OF OPTION THAT WE LAID OUT, IT JUST GET MORE COMPLEX. 
          AND SO IN THE SECOND OPTION, WE'VE ESTABLISHED WHAT WE CALL LIGHTING DISTRICTS, AND WE'VE GOT A TABLE THAT BREAKS. 
          IT BASICALLY BREAKS DOWN DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISTRICTS. 
          THERE'S THE MORE INTENSE ONES. 
          THERE'S A LESS INTENSE ONES AND THERE'S TAILORED STANDARDS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS AND THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF LIGHT THAT YOU CAN DO THAT YOU CAN GENERATE. 
          AND YOUR SAFE IS TAILORED BASED ON THOSE DISTRICTS. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL BELLS AND WHISTLES IN THIS OPTION AS WELL. 
          WE'VE GOT THE SHIELDED LIGHTING REQUIRED. 
          THERE ARE MAXIMUM LIGHT TRESPASS LEVELS, FOOT CANDLE MEASUREMENTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          SO THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT TO ENFORCE. 
          YOU KNOW, A STAFF MEMBER WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT WITH A LIGHT METER AT NIGHT TO ACTUALLY MEASURE THAT LIGHT CONDITION, BOTH ON THE PROPERTY AND ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT DONE. 
          THIS IS DONE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES INVEST IN LIGHT METERS AND THEY HAVE STAFF TO, TO ENFORCE THOSE THINGS, BUT IT IS A COST TO THINK ABOUT, UH, WHEN YOU START TO GET MORE SOPHISTICATED WITH YOUR LIGHTING CONTROLS AND WE ADDED SOME MORE BELLS AND WHISTLES HERE AS WELL. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ON, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING, UH, UPLIGHTING. 
          I, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CAN APPLY BUILDINGS FOR EXAMPLE, AS WELL. 
          SO YOU CAN DO SOME HYBRID OF THESE. 
          YOU CERTAINLY COULD HAVE UPLIGHTING LIMITATIONS IN THAT FIRST OPTION THAT I MENTIONED. 
          SO THIS IS NOT AN EITHER, OR IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A BINARY CHOICE. 
          IT'S TO SHOW YOU KIND OF DIFFERENT POINTS ON THE SPECTRUM, BECAUSE WE REALLY HADN'T HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS WITH Y'ALL OR WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, UH, CHARLES BACK WHEN HE WAS HERE. 
          AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF KIND OF GUIDANCE TO DIRECT THIS DRAFT. 
          AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO ADVANCE THE CONVERSATION AND TAKE YOUR TEMPERATURE. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK IS KIND OF THE GENERAL APPROACH FOR MADISON MOVING FORWARD? SHOULD THE TOWN ADOPT SOME TYPE OF LIGHTING STANDARDS? AND IF SO, SHOULD IT BE ON THE SIMPLER SIDE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, KEY CORE STANDARDS, OR SHOULD WE GET INTO A MORE TAILORED, YOU KNOW, THING THAT IDENTIFIES LIGHTING DISTRICTS? AND IT GOES, THE EXTRA MILE COMMITTEE WAS PRETTY UNIFORM ON OPTION ONE. 
          UH, THEY, THEY DEFINITELY FELT THAT, UH, THE COMPLEXITY OF TRYING TO ADMINISTER A MORE SOPHISTICATED ORDINANCE WAS UNNECESSARY AT THIS POINT. 
          UH, MAYBE OUT OF SOME, WANTS TO MOVE INTO THIS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THEY SAID ADDISON IS KNOWN FOR ITS LANDSCAPING. 
          IT'S BUILDING DESIGN LIGHTING HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE. 
          WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD OF REGULATING THIS ISSUE, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST. 
          THAT'S HOW I WOULD CHARACTERIZE WHAT THEY SENT TO ME. 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE'S HIS TWO THINGS. 
          CAN I ASK? I WASN'T IN DEVELOPMENT WHEN, ON GREEN CERTIFICATIONS SO MUCH. 
          SO HOW MUCH DOES THAT PLAY INTO ANY OF THIS? LIKE, IS THERE LIGHTING COMPONENTS FOR GREEN, LIKE FOR CERTIFICATIONS IN THAT THREE, OR IS IT MORE LIKE THE TYPES OF LIGHTS THEY USE? NOT SO MUCH HOW IT'S USED, WHERE CITIES ARE, WHERE CITIES ARE YOU GETTING INTO LIGHTING REGULATION, THE DARK SKIES, UM, STANDARD THAT MATT MENTIONED, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S PRIMARILY COMING FROM. 
          UH, MY FIRST COMMUNITY THAT I WORKED IN FAIRVIEW, JUST UP THE ROAD FROM HERE IN COLLIN COUNTY, THEY WERE A DARK SKY CITY. 
          SO I SPENT AN EXCEPTIONAL AMOUNT OF MY TIME DEALING WITH REVIEWING LIGHTING PLANS AND ENSURING COMPLIANCE ADDISON OF THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES THAT I'VE WORKED IN THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MY TIME IS SPENT ONLINE. 
          SO THERE'S ROOM TO DO IT IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER TO, TO ADDRESS THE KIND OF THE WORST CASE SCENARIOS. 
          BUT IF YOU WERE TO GO TO LIKE A FAIRVIEW MODEL OR BOULDER OR GABBY, UM, PREVIOUSLY WORKED, IT'S, UM, IT'S QUITE A BIT OF ADMINISTRATIVE TIME DEDICATED TO, UH, REGULATING LIGHT AND THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF IT CAN BE A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE AS WELL IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT AT NIGHT MEASURING 
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A LIGHT AT PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. 
          SO IT'S A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? BUT SO FOR THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE GOING AND GETTING SOME KIND OF CERTIFICATION, THE GOLD SILVER STANDARD, IS ANY OF THIS EMBEDDED IN, IS IT, OR IS IT MUCH MORE ABOUT THE PRODUCTS THAT THEY USE? WELL, THERE'S DIFFERENT CERTIFICATIONS. 
          AND SO I THINK MATT WAS GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH. 
          I THINK MARY'S AT TIMES A COMPONENT OF THAT, BUT IT IS A ONE OF MANY COMPONENTS TO THAT. 
          SO IF THEY WANT TO VOLUNTARILY MEET HIGHER STANDARDS, THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN DO THAT. 
          IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE TALENT WANTS TO FORCE THEM TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS I DON'T THINK WE SEE IT HERE AS MUCH, BUT LET'S GO TO LIKE A DOWNTOWN. 
          I MEAN, BUILDING LIGHTING HAS BECOME A VERY BIG THING, CHANGING THE COLORS, WHATEVER DOES IT LIKE GRAPHICS ON BUILDINGS BECOME PART OF THIS SECTION OF LIKE WHERE IT BECOMES AN APPETITE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE A BUILDING AND MAKE IT BLENDS IN WITH THE SIGN. 
          HE GOES MORE NEW CLARIFICATION. 
          WE'LL BE ADDRESSING SIGNS LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD, I'VE WORKED IN A, IN A TOWN AND IT WAS ACTUALLY FAIRVIEW AS WELL, WHERE, AND AREAS THAT THEY WANTED TO BE MORE URBAN. 
          THEY ACTUALLY HAD MINIMUM LIGHTING STANDARDS THAT THEY HAD TO ACHIEVE INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF MAINTAINING A MAXIMUM, I JUST THINK THAT LIKE I WORK ACROSS IN THE AREA OF AMERICAN AIRLINES AND THEY HAVE THOSE THAT BIG TV SCREEN THAT THEY PUT ON YOUR BILL. 
          AND I CHEAT MYSELF IF THEY STAY AT THE W ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE IT LIGHTS UP SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, HOW THOSE PEOPLE KNOW HOTEL ROOMS EVEN ASLEEP. 
          I MEAN, HOPEFULLY THE DARK CURTAINS, BUT I POINTED IS MORE, IS THAT HERE SCIENCE, SOME COMMUNITIES CARVED OUT SPECIAL ASSIGNED DISTRICTS. 
          UM, WE'RE SPECIAL DOVER HAS WITH A GOAL OF VITAL SIGN ORDINANCE WHERE THEY ALLOW KIND OF SPECIAL AREAS FOR US, EXTRA BREAD SIGNS AND MORE SIGNS, LOUD, UM, SIGNAGE ON BUILDINGS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          CAUSE THEY WANT TO CREATE AN ENTERTAINMENT TYPE OF CONVERSATION POPS OVER BASED ON INTENSITY OF THE LINE. 
          OR TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 
          SO THE WAY WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT IN THE PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT, UH, PHOTOMETRIC LIGHT PLAN. 
          AND THIS IS A FAIRLY, THIS ISN'T GOING BEYOND WHAT CITIES TYPICALLY REQUIRE, AT LEAST FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THEY JUST NEED TO SHOW THAT AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, THE LIGHTING THAT THEY'RE PRODUCING ON THEIR SITES, UH, IS, HAS BEEN GATED AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. 
          SO THERE'S NO SPILL OVER TO THE ADJACENT, IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN SAFETY, MAYBE SOME KIND OF PRIVACY, RIGHT? PARKING LOTS WITH REQUIREMENT OR NOT. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING IF WE HAD SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT TAKES A LOT OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF ADMINISTRATION AND THAT HAD WE FELL SHORT, WOULD THAT BRING LIABILITY TO THE TOWN IF THERE WAS AN INCIDENT? AND I'M JUST SPEAKING, BECAUSE I KNOW IT CAN TO THE LANDLORD, TO THE LANDLORD AND CERTAIN LEASES REQUIRE A CERTAIN PAMPHLET AND YOU DON'T MAINTAIN THAT. 
          SO IF WE ADOPTED A REQUIREMENT OR THEY HAD TO MAINTAIN THAT, WE WOULD CERTAINLY AND SHARE REVIEW WITH BUILDING PERMIT OR DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT THAT WAS ACHIEVED THROUGH THE SUBMISSION OF A PHOTOMETRIC LIGHTING PLAN. 
          BUT WHAT YOU SEE, AND IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THIS ISSUE IS OVER TIME CONDITIONS CHANGE ON A PROPERTY AND THERE WILL BE A, A VARIETY OF CODE ISSUES IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN A PARKING LOT. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THE TOWN, UH, CERTAINLY I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I DON'T THINK A TOWN HAS LIABILITY FOR THAT BECAUSE SOMEONE'S NOT MAINTAINING THEIR LIGHTING. 
          UM, BUT, UH, IT, IT DOES BECOME A CODE ISSUE. 
          ULTIMATELY IF WE ADOPT THE STANDARD AND SOMEONE'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH IT. 
          SO WITH THE SIMPLE PLAN, SHOULD WE TAKE ELEMENTS OF THE SECURITY LIGHTING AND THAT EVEN, I THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IN THESE A THROUGH E SECURITY ISSUE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE SURE. 
          ONE OF THE KEY DIFFERENCES IN THAT OPTION TO THE MORE SOPHISTICATED OPTION IS THE LIGHTING DISTRICTS, BUT PULL THAT PIECE OUT. 
          AND A LOT OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S IN THAT SECOND OPTION COULD BE LIFTED AND GRAFTED ONTO THAT FIRST OPTION, RIGHT? THE SECURITY LIGHTING, PEDESTRIAN AREA, LIGHTING CERTIFICATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S DEFINITELY, I'M SORRY. 
          THE LIGHTING DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT'S A LOT, 
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YOU KNOW, FOR A PLACE THAT'S GOT A PRETTY SMALL GEOGRAPHIC FOOTPRINT. 
          WE WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE JUST TO SHOW YOU ALL KIND OF A SAMPLE OF HOW COMMUNITIES MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND YOU DO HAVE VERY DIFFERENT AREAS HERE. 
          IF YOU HAVE VERY QUIET, ESTABLISHED PRESIDENCY WINTERS, AND YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOME VERY INTENSE COMMERCIAL AREAS. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT REASONABLE THE VICTIM AT SOME POINT DISTINGUISHED, ANY OTHER LIGHTING COMMENTS, ANY OTHER ELIMINATING POINTS THAT PEOPLE NO THEY'RE SUPER PATIENT WITH US. 
          UM, WE CAN STILL TAKE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET MY FINAL SLIDES UP. 
          WE'RE GOING TO FINISH DEVELOPING STANDARDS IN AUGUST. 
          WE'VE GOT TWO DATES UP HERE. 
          THE 25TH AND 26TH Y'ALL'S MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON THE 26TH. 
          WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THE COMMITTEE ON THE 25TH. 
          UH, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE, A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE ON THE EVENING OF THE 27TH. 
          SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN COMING TO THAT, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE EXTRA BODIES, BUT PLEASE BE TELLING YOUR CONSTITUENTS OR YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO JUST MAKE ANOTHER PUSH TO JUST REMIND PEOPLE ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE CODE UPDATE AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE UL'S MEETING WILL BE ON THE EVENING OF THE 26TH. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE CONVEYOR. 
          NOW YOU HAVE A GREAT TOOL. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND READ AHEAD AND LOOK AT LANDSCAPING, LOOK AT SUBDIVISION. 
          YOU CAN PUT COMMENTS IN, THERE ARE QUESTIONS IN THERE AND THAT WILL HELP US FRAME OUR, SO THE NEXT MEETING, ANYBODY WANT TO WRAP ANYTHING UP IN THE FINAL COMMENTS? THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING NEXT. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. 
          GOOD WORK. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MATT.
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