[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]
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THE LAST TIME, UH, WE MET, THERE WAS, UH, ONE CASE THAT THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ACTED ON, UH, THAT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ACTION.SO THAT WAS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE DISTRICT RESTAURANT THAT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, UH, UNANIMOUSLY.
SO THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND THEY ANTICIPATE TO BE OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND FALL ON THE ONE OTHER UPDATE I WOULD SHARE IS THAT WE DID RECENTLY, UH, SELECT, UH, A CANDIDATE FOR OUR OPEN, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER POSITION.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BRING THAT PERSON ON THEIR FIRST DAY OF WORK WILL BE ON JULY 26.
YOU WILL START ENGAGING WITH OUR NEW PLANNER, JENNIFER, UH, AND, UH, SHE'LL BE, UH, PRESENT AT THE AUGUST PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION AND 18.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE HER ON BOARD AND TO GET HER START WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION.
SO YOU'RE NEW TO THE TOWN, KIM.
SHE IS NEW TO THE TOWN OF ADDISON, BUT, UH, SHE ACTUALLY IS JOINING US FROM THE CITY OF FARMERS BRANCH.
SO SHE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the July 20, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, including: May 18, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting minutes Rezoning Request and Concept Plan for 4551 Beltway Drive Proposed Revisions to the Planning and Zoning Commission Rules, Regulations, and Procedures]
WE HAVE JUST THE ONE CASE, ALTHOUGH I GUESS IT'S KIND OF IN TWO PARTS, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ESSENTIALLY THE PLAT AND THEN THE CASE ITSELF.SO DO YOU WANNA, I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST SAY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT? I, I, I HAD ONE, GO AHEAD, CHRIS, GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST KIND OF WONDERING, UM, READ THIS, RIGHT? THIS IS KIND OF A SPEC DEVELOPMENT AND IF YOU BUILD IT, NOBODY COMES.
UM, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, TO THE ZONE? I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD COME IN, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN, OR, OR JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENS IF, WHILE MAYBE REMOTE, IF THEY CAN'T GET ANYBODY TO COME IN ON A SPEC BASIS AND PUT A MEDICAL FACILITY IN HERE.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS CASE.
AND WHAT WE'RE USED TO IN ADDISON IS THAT THE, AND THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES.
BUT ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT ADDISON IS HOW MUCH WE USE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT AS A, AS A TOOL.
SO IT, IT ALLOWS US TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, THE ZONING THAT'S APPLIED TO A SITE, CERTAINLY WITH THE PD, YOU CAN PROVIDE BROAD ZONING DESIGNATIONS AS WELL, BUT STILL ONCE AGAIN, IT IS SITE PLAN BASED ZONING.
SO THE SITE BLAM THAT IS ADOPTED WITH THAT PD ZONING BECOMES PART OF THE ZONING.
UM, IT HAS BEEN VERY INFREQUENT, UH, AND FOR, UH, STRAIGHT REZONING.
WE WOULD APPLY TO A REZONING, A SITE TO ONE OF OUR BASE ZONING DISTRICTS FOR THAT TO OCCUR IN ADDISON, UH, WHERE IT DOES OCCUR IN RECENT YEARS.
IT'S BEEN MORE SO WITH, UM, LOTS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT AND THERE'S REINVESTMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OCCURRING.
UH, WE HAVE SO FEW, LOTS THAT HAVE ARE VACANT, UM, AND WHERE THAT THOSE DO, UH, SEE ACTIVITY FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT IS TYPICALLY WITH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, UH, DISTRICT REZONING.
UM, IN THE CASE THAT YOU BRING UP, IF FOR SOME REASON THEY BUILD THE OFFICE SPACE AND, UH, THEY DO NOT FIND A TENANT FOR THE OFFICE BASE.
IT COULD BE OCCUPIED BY OTHER USES PERMITTED AND THE COMMERCIAL ONE DISTRICT.
UM, IF THEY WERE TO MODIFY THE CONCEPT PLAN AND PROPOSED A, MODIFY THE CONCEPT PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE A DIFFERENT USE PERMITTED IN THE COMMERCIAL ONES, ZONING DISTRICT, IF IT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATION, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION OR UNIT ONE THING I WOULD SHARE, UM, WITH THIS USE, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE TO NOT HAVE MEDICAL OFFICE PERMITTED IN THE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT OR ANY GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY YOU SEE THIS REQUEST COME UP A LITTLE MORE OFTEN THAN, THAN OTHERS, UH, WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT, UH, WE WILL BE HAVING, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, DISTRICTS ESTABLISHED FROM THE LOCAL RETAIL AND THE COMMERCIAL ONE, BUT, UH, TRYING TO ACHIEVE A SIMILAR INTENT, UH, BUT
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MOVING FORWARD, THOSE DISTRICTS WILL BOTH PERMIT, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE, UH, AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY DRAFTED.SO WE PROBABLY WON'T SEE THIS ISSUE MUCH MOVING FORWARD.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A LITTLE UNIQUE IN THAT A USE THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH RETAIL RESTAURANT AND OTHER GENERAL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IS NOT PERMITTED IN LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT.
UM, I WENT BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND I COULDN'T FIND THIS PARCEL IDENTIFIED.
I WENT BACK BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER US HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ON, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE REDID BELTLINE, UM, BELTWAY, UM, ADDED SOME OF THE CONNECTIVITY THERE, A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING THAT AREA MORE, UH, OPEN FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THIS COME FORWARD.
UM, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE TOM MENTIONED SPEC ONE STORY.
SO I GUESS I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S MY FIRST ONE IS, UM, HAS THERE BEEN, IT WASN'T IDENTIFIED IN THE 13 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT DO YOU KNOW OF ANY DISCUSSIONS ON MAKING THAT BELTWAY, THAT AREA MORE RESIDENTIAL? I THINK PROBABLY THE, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE SINCE THE 2013 CONFERENCE A PLAN AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING IS, WAS THE ADOPTION OF THE 2017 HOUSING POLICY.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT DOCUMENT, UM, IT, IT ADDRESSED, UH, A FEW ITEMS. UH, ONE WAS, UM, SHARING POLICY PREFERENCE FOR, UM, OWNER, UH, UH, OCCUPANCY HOUSING VERSUS RENTAL HOUSING.
UM, IT ALSO, UH, ADDRESSED A, A, UH, POTENTIAL NEED AND EXPLORATION OF A NEED FOR A SENIOR HOUSING.
AND THEN ALSO SPOKE TO, UM, HOUSING PROPOSALS, UH, LIKELY BEING MORE, UH, COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN'S VISION WHEN IT'S PART OF A LARGER, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS SAY REDEVELOPMENT OF A LARGER STRIP CENTER, UM, IN AN INFILL HOUSING TYPE OF SCENARIO, LIKE SAY IF WE WERE JUST TO CONSIDER, UH, HOUSING ON THIS SINGLE LOT THAT THIS LOCATION GIVEN THE SURROUNDING USES THAT ARE THERE, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING TO SAY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORT WOULD SUPPORT HOUSING AT THAT LOCATION TO THE, TO THE EAST END OF THE SOUTH.
UH, YOU DO HAVE, UH, DEFINITELY USES THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT ARE MORE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE.
TELL THE WEST, I'M NOT NOT SAYING THAT YOU COULDN'T DO HOUSING THERE.
IT PROBABLY JUST WOULD NOT HAVE THE POLICY SUPPORT AS JUST A FREESTANDING INFILL PROPOSAL.
IF, IF YOU LOOKED AT DEVELOPING A, A 20 ACRE SECTION OF, OR A 10 TO 15 ACRE SECTION, THAT, THAT, THAT INTERSECTION, IT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE, BUT I STILL THINK A POLICY SUPPORT FOR THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, A CHALLENGE BASED ON THE DIRECTION OF THE COMP PLAN AND OTHER TOWN POLICIES, AS MUCH AS I'M A CANTINA LAREDO.
I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING WITH IT RIGHT IN MY BACK DOORS.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT'D BE A COOL PLACE FOR TOWNHOMES.
CAUSE YOU COULD PROBABLY DO LIKE SOMETHING ON THE ROOFTOP THAT WOULD OVERLOOK THE AIRPORT WALK, BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, SO CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT PARCEL AND, AND, AND SAY WHAT, LIKE THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WILL ALLOWABLE? I MEAN, COULD YOU DO MULTI-STORY OR WOULD THE AIRPORT PREVENT THAT? LIKE MY THOUGHT IS SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF VACANT LAND LEFT, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, AND THERE ARE, ARE WE ALLOWING SOMEONE TO COME IN AND BUILD? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS HERE, BUT WHERE YOU COULD MAYBE APPROVE A MUCH LARGER BUILDING.
ARE WE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY MAYBE NOT APPROVING SOMETHING LARGER? I THINK THE CHALLENGE YOU'D HAVE IS ONE.
YOU, YOU COULD MAKE SOMETHING, DEVELOP SOMETHING MORE DENSE THERE.
UH, THE CHALLENGE YOU HAVE IS DEALING WITH PARKING, AND THEN THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF DOING SOMETHING MORE THAN SOME COMPACTS WOULD RESULT IN HAVING SOME SORT OF STRUCTURED PARKING OR PARKING INTEGRATED INTO THE BUILDING, GIVEN THE SURROUNDING LAND USE PATTERN.
I'M NOT SURE THE, THE, YOU COULD MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T TRY TO, OR CAN'T TRY TO.
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UM, WHAT I WOULD SHARE WITH THE PROPOSED SITE DESIGN IS IT'S LIKELY YOU'D SEE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THERE EVENTUALLY, UH, ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRACKS, THERE'S A LONG DRIVE AISLE, UH, EXTENDING DOWN, UH, TO THE OTHER, UH, THE EAST WEST SEGMENT OF BELTWAY.SO YOU CERTAINLY COULD SEE MORE MEDICAL OFFICE DEVELOPMENT AS, AS THIS PROJECT OF ALL.
THIS IS, THIS IS CERTAINLY A SINGLE PHASE AND ALL THEY'RE PROPOSING, BUT, UH, YOU COULD HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE.
2, 3, 4 STORY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE I THINK, A CHALLENGE GIVEN THE PATTERN.
AND THIS, THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION.
UM, DO WE KNOW, OR HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS MEDICAL USE ZONING, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO US IF, UM, TEXAS PASSED, UM, LIKE MEDICINAL MARIJUANA.
UM, AND THE, THE ONLY REASON I ASK THAT IS I'VE GOT A DAUGHTER THAT GOES TO SCHOOL IN OKLAHOMA SCHOOLS, UNIVERSITY OF TULSA, AND THAT DRIVE UP THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? CA COMMISSARIES MAYBE WHERE I GET THROWN ON EVERY CORNER.
AND I WOULD HATE THAT FOR ADDISON, LIKE A DISPENSARY.
OH, THAT'S THE WORD DISPENSARY.
I, I THINK WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED TO BE BUILT, IT WOULD BE VERY SPECULATIVE.
UH, IF IT WERE TO BE REPURPOSED AS THAT USE, I THINK THAT USE ISN'T NECESSARILY JUST LIMITED TO A MEDICAL OFFICE TYPE OF FLOOR PLAN.
UH, SO I THINK IF THAT THE STATE WERE TO CHANGE THOSE LAWS, WE WOULDN'T JUST BE SEEING PRESSURE.
AND IN SPACES LIKE THIS, YOU'D SEE IT EVER THE, WHERE MARKET DEMANDED AND, AND WHERE THERE WAS UNDER UTILIZED COMMERCIAL SPACE IN A NEWER SPACE.
I'D SAY YOU'D BE LESS LIKELY TO SEE IT.
UM, GIVEN THAT THE RENTS WILL BE HIGHER AND YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO SEE IT IN UNDER UTILIZED AND OLDER SPACES, BUT, BUT YOU THINK THIS IS OWNING WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
UH, I, I WOULD NEED TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON THAT.
I CAN CERTAINLY BE READY TO DISCUSS THAT AT THE MEETING.
UH, I HAVE NOT TAKEN A DEEP DIVE INTO HOW OTHER STATES ARE HANDLING THAT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY RESEARCH THAT.
I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN, CHRIS, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE GETTING AHEAD OF OUR SKIS AS THEY SAY ON THAT ONE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT, UM, THE SITE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT, BUT, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST A TEMPORARY SITUATION, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
UH, GIVEN ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS GOING ON ON MIDWAY AND, UH, WHAT HAS GONE ON IN THE PAST ON BELTLINE, UM, I AVOID MIDWAY AND BELTLINE.
UH, I'LL GO OUT OF MY WAY TO NOT GET ANYWHERE NEAR THOSE INTERSECTIONS, NO MATTER WHICH WAY I'M GOING.
AND WHAT I END UP DOING SOMETIMES IS IF I'M GOING TO WANT TO GO DOWN, BELTLINE IS I'LL GO STRAIGHT ON BELTWAY AND THEN MAKE THE TURN ON BELTLINE.
AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, WHENEVER ALL THIS STUFF HAS STARTED, THAT THAT TRAFFIC HAS GOTTEN A LOT WORSE.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET MORE CONGESTED AS THINGS GO ON AS PEOPLE GO BACK TO WORK AND DO OTHER THINGS.
I GUESS THE QUESTION I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S A QUESTION, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT WITH ALL OF THAT ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON THERE, IT TAKES FOREVER TO GET OUT OF THE LIGHT AT A MIDWAY AND, AND A BELTWAY AND, AND, AND TAKE YOUR LIFE AT YOUR OWN HANDS, TURNING RIGHT ONTO BELTLINE, OFF OF BELTWAY TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THAT.
SO, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, I NEVER EVEN NOTICED THAT IT WAS A VACANT LOT THERE UNTIL ALL OF THIS STARTED, BUT NOW YOU'VE GOT A VACANT LOT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CARS AT SOME POINT ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SORT OF, UH, CONTROL THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW? CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S TRAFFIC EVERYWHERE.
AND IF YOU'RE ON, IF YOU TRY TO GO SOUTH ON MIDWAY TO AROUND PROTON YEAH.
TAKE YOUR LIFE IN YOUR OWN HANDS AS WELL, GOING AND DOING THAT AS WELL.
SO TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY FIXERS FOR IT.
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I THINK THE, I'M SORRY, TOM, GO AHEAD.CAN BOB, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE VILLAIN ITSELF, I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO ADD A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC.
THERE'S ONLY LIKE WHAT FOUR OR FIVE EXAM ROOMS. SO ANYONE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF FOLKS.
MY CONCERN WOULD BE DRIVING DOWNTOWN DALLAS, A LOT, THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES JUST WALK OFF A LANE OR TWO EQUIPMENT COMING IN.
AND PARTICULARLY WHEN I'M GOING DOWN, UM, CANON OR ROSS, THOSE AREAS, I MEAN, IT GETS REALLY BAD.
SO ALONG WITH WHAT BOB'S ASKING MAY NOT BE, I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A LONG-TERM PROBLEM, BUT I DO HAVE A SHORT-TERM THAT ONCE THEY START CONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY MIDWAY IS STILL GOING ON, WHICH YOU PROBABLY WILL BE.
CAN WE RESTRICT THEM FROM BASICALLY BLOCKING OFF CERTAIN LANES, UM, ON BELTWAY, UH, AND KEEP ALL THEIR CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON THERE, ON THAT VACANT LOT AND NOT PARKED ON THE STREET.
THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM.
IF THEY DO HAVE ANY PLANS OR WISH TO, UH, CLOSE OR NEED THE CLOSE ON A PORTION OF BELTWAY AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UH, A TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN, UH, APPROVED, UH, AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
THEY WILL HAVE SOME MINOR WORK, UH, IN BELTWAY AND THAT THAT REALLY RELATES TO THEIR DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS.
UM, THEY, AREN'T GOING TO BE RECONSTRUCTING, UM, PARTS OF BELTWAY.
UH, THE CITY ALSO DOES, UH, HAVE A NEED TO, TO, UH, UPGRADE A WATER LINE, UH, IN THAT AREA.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME UTILITY WORK.
UH, THERE WILL BE, UH, SOME, UH, SHARED, UH, NEEDS, UH, FOR UPGRADING THOSE UTILITIES.
SO, UM, SOME UTILITY WORK, UH, AND SOME, UH, DRIVEWAY WORK THAT WILL IMPACT BELTWAY, BUT THERE WON'T BE, UH, A RECONSTRUCTION OF BELTWAY AT THIS LOCATION.
SO, UM, THE DISRUPTIONS YOU SEE WILL BE MINOR ON BELTWAY TO BOB'S POINT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT RESPONSE TO YOU, BOB, IN THAT THE REALITY IS, IS, IS MIDWAY IS GOING TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND IT WILL BE EASILY IMPACTED OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS THAT SEGMENT OF MIDWAY, UH, ANTICIPATE BEING COMPLETED IN THE FALL LATE FALL OF 2022, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED.
UH, SO YOU'LL START TO SEE SOME RELIEF THEN, BUT TO THAT POINT, IT IS GOING TO BE A CONGESTED AND, AND CHANGING CONDITION.
I, IS THAT AN ECHO FOR ME? I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, IT SEEMS, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST BECAUSE I SPEND MORE TIME AROUND HERE NOW, TOO, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS MORE CONGESTED, NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU GO.
AND, UH, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TURN AT LIGHTS ARE, GET OFF OF THE LIGHT TO DO WHATEVER.
UH, HOPEFULLY THERE THERE'S NOT ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, UH, BAD THAT HAPPENS TO SOMEBODY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE REACTIVE AND RESPOND TO IT.
THAT'S MY ONLY, THAT'S MY OWN THOUGHT.
THERE IS YOUR, WHERE YOU'RE FACING THE MOST CHALLENGES IS, IS IT AT THE SIGNALS OR IS IT, IS IT GETTING OUT, UH, TO ACCESS MEDIUM BREAKS? UH, IT IT'S, IT'S AT THE S AND I ACTUALLY THINK BELTLINE AND, UM, BELTLINE AND BELTWAY IS WORSE THAN MIDWAY AND BELTWAY BECAUSE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO RIGHT ON MIDWAY AND GO SOUTH.
AND IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH ANOTHER DIRECTION TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, AT, AT BELTLINE AND BELTWAY MANAGE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT AND PEOPLE SPEED UP TO TRY TO BEAT THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING EAST ON BELTLINE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE TURN BEFORE THEY GET A STREAM OF TRAFFIC STUCK UP OVER THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IF IT'S A LONGER TURN LIGHT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THAT GIVES PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, SO THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO RACE TO GET THROUGH.
SO IT'S MORE OF A SIGNAL TIMING ISSUE.
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT CONTEXT.
I'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM, UM, AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, THEY, THEY NEED TO BE MONITORING AND ADJUSTING THE SIGNAL TIMING IN THAT AREA, NOT JUST ON MIDWAY, BUT, UH, FOR KEY CONNECTIONS TO MIDWAY.
I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT.
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OR DO THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT THEY ARE REALLY KIND OF BUILDING THIS FOR? SO I WILL, I WILL LET YOU DIRECT THAT QUESTION TO THEM AGAIN TOMORROW, FROM WHAT THEY'VE SHARED WITH ME IS IT'S SPECULATIVE.UM, I'VE DEALT WITH, UM, THEIR, UM, TECHNICAL CONSULTANTS, UH, ZONING AND, AND DESIGN CONSULTANTS, AS WELL AS THE REAL ESTATE BROKER ON THE BUYER SIDE OF THE TRANSACTION.
AND THEY'VE SHARED WITH ME THAT, UH, THE BROKER REPRESENTS A DEVELOPMENT GROUP THAT IS, WOULD CONSTRUCT THE SPEC OFFICE, BUT YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOMED TO, TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION WITH THEM AGAIN TOMORROW TO, TO, TO CONFIRM.
AND THAT'S KIND OF SEGUE INTO MY QUESTION.
ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU'VE MET WITH TALKED TO IS BUILDING MEDICAL FACILITIES, THEIR FORTE, OR IS THIS A KIND OF A NEW TO THEM? UH, SO W TWO MINE, I HAVE NOT DEALT WITH THE BUILDER COMPONENT OF THIS DISCUSSION.
I'VE DEALT WITH THE TECHNICAL CONSULTANT.
SO THE ARCHITECT AND THE ZONING CONSULTANT AND THE BROKER, UM, I, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CLIENT THAT THE ENTITY DEVELOP THE BUSINESS, UH, THEY'RE DEVELOPING IT FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THEIR SPECIALTY OR IF THIS IS ONE OF, UH, MANY OR SEVERAL APPRECIATES THAT THEY PERCEIVED FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT WITH THEM TOMORROW.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.
CAN WE SAY KEITH FOR DOING THE UPDATES AFTER OUR LAST CONVERSATIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS ON THAT? I'VE GOT ONE, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB PUTTING TOGETHER A LOT OF DIVERSE COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS.
SO, BUT MINE JUST COMES DOWN TO, UM, RE UH, ARTICLES SEVEN, UM, UH, D 0.1 SKINNY V 0.3 FIRST, UM, WHERE, UH, UNDER YOU SAY THE CHAIR SHALL THEN CALL THEM PERSONS, PRESIDENT, WHICH TO SPEAK, BUT THEN DOWN IN FLOOR, UM, YOU SAY THE CHAIR THEN DECLARES THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION CLOSED.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT UP IN THREE, YOU SHOULD REFERENCE IT.
THE CHAIR IS OPENING THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION OR HEARING BECAUSE OTHERWISE CLOSING ANYTHING, IT SEEMS IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION POINT.
MY MAIN CONCERNS DOWN IN D ONE THAT WERE A COMMISSIONER FEELS THAT HE OR SHE WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE DECISION THE COMMISSION.
AND I HAVE RAISED THIS POINT EARLIER ON, I MEAN, WITH THE TOWNS, THE SIZE OF MADISON, ANYTHING WE COULD THEORETICALLY HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON US.
I MEAN, LIKE THE DUTCH BROTHERS WERE TALKING ABOUT IF IT MAY OR MAY NOT ADD EXTRA TRAFFIC ON MARS, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT IT'S ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS DRIVES UP AND DOWN MARSH A LOT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A DIRECT IMPACT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT TRAFFIC.
UM, THE TRINITY GROVE DEVELOPMENT, I'M NOT AWARE OF CHRIS MAYBE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT AWARE THAT ANY OF THE PUC COMMISSIONERS RECUSED FROM THAT, EVEN THOUGH I'M SURE SOME OF THEM AT THE TIME LIVED IN THAT MIDWAY AREA.
SO THAT WAS THE ACTIVE IMPACT.
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT DIRECT MEANS, IS IT SIMPLY IF, IF YOU LIVE WITHIN AN AREA, WAS IT 200 FEET THAT THEY SEND OUT NOTICES FOR WHEN THERE'S A ZONING CHANGE? IF A COMMISSIONER IS WITHIN THAT 200 FEET OR WHATEVER, THAT DISTANCES, THAT, THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF DIRECT, OR IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN AT ALL BY EITHER A POTENTIALLY IMPACTED COMMISSIONER OR EVEN ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT THINK THERE MAY BE A CONFLICT, SHOULD WE DEFINE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHANNEL ATTORNEY NEEDS TO GIVE AN OPINION AS TO WHAT DIRECT MEANS IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
SO I JUST, I JUST FEEL THE WORD DIRECT IS TOO AMBIGUOUS JUST TO LEAVE IT AS IS.
SO EITHER NEEDS TO BE DEFINED OR CHANGED OR SOMETHING ADDED.
I JUST, I JUST, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT, THAT, UH, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA OF HAVING THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
SO IF THEY'RE BUILDING SOMETHING IN MY BACKYARD, I MEAN, NO ONE KNOWS BETTER THAN ME, HOW IT MIGHT AFFECT THE PEOPLE AROUND ME AND MY NEIGHBORS.
SO I WOULD WANT TO HAVE A VOICE.
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SO MAYBE WE DO NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEARER.AND I THINK THE MAIN THING THAT ITEM SPEAKS TO IS PREVENTING, I MEAN, OFTENTIMES ON, ON COMMISSIONS, YOU GET FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, LIKE MAYBE AN ENGINEER OR ARCHITECT WHERE THEY MAY HAVE SOME SORT OF FINANCIAL CONNECTION TO A PROJECT.
I THINK WHEN IT SAYS DIRECT IT'S IT'S PRIMARY REFERENCE IN THE TERM PERSONAL OR MONETARY, THAT PRECEDES THAT IS, IS THE ISSUE THAT THERE'S NOT A CLEAR ENOUGH CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO PHRASES.
LET ME JUST GET RID OF THE LAST PHRASE RIGHT AFTER CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, I THINK CAN, IF YOUR INTERPRETATION'S CORRECT, THE MONETARY OR PERSONAL INTEREST IS TAKEN CARE OF IN THE FIRST PART OF THAT SENTENCE, BUT THEN, OR WILL BE DIRECTLY.
SO IT'S EITHER YOU NEED, AS EILEEN SAYS OUT OR CHANGE THE, OR TO AN, SO THAT THE PERSONAL MONETARY IS PART OF BEING DIRECTLY IMPACTED, BUT AN OR IN THERE IT'S, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF STANDARDS, WHICH, UM, AND I AGREE WITH CHRIS, I, I, YOU KNOW, TH THERE WAS THE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, WHICH WAS ABOUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, A QUARTER OF A MILE, HALF MILE FROM MY HOUSE AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD GO UPSET ABOUT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC.
UM, AND SO I RECUSED MYSELF BEING ON HLA BOARD OR HUMAN CELL FROM THE BOARD IF THEY, IF THE HPA WANTED TO PURSUE ACTION, BUT I STAYED ON THE P AND Z, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M, I KNEW THAT WHOLE AREA BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE AT THE TIME.
UM, BUT I DID GET, UH, CHARLES HIS, UH, COMMENTS AS WELL AS, UH, AT THE TIME THE CONTRACT CHANNEL ATTORNEY, UM, AND COURTNEY, I THINK BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, I WAS FINE AS LONG AS THEY ACCUSING US HOA, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO, UM, I, BUT I, I THINK I AGREE WITH EILEEN, WE EITHER NEED TO STRIKE THAT LAST PART ENTIRELY, OR WE NEED TO CHANGE IT TO AN AN SO THAT IT DOES TIE BACK TO THE PERSONAL OR MONETARY DOES, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE EILEEN OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
I'M THINKING NOW IN MY PREFERENCE, WELL, WE NEED, WE NEED IN FRONT OF IT.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 1 71, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES INTERESTED IN REAL PROPERTY.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE A PERSONAL OR MONETARY INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT SHOULD BE COVERED BY THAT.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE LANGUAGE TO BE CONSISTENT.
CAN WE ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT ANY POTENTIAL DIRECT IMPACT NATE COULD, CAN BE REVIEWED BY TOWN ATTORNEY OR SOMETHING THAT REQUESTS THE COMMISSIONER OR COMMISSIONERS? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAY HAVE LEAD LANGUAGE IN THERE BECAUSE OF STATE CODE, BUT SO WE LEAVE IT IN THERE, WHICH ADDS AMBIGUITY, BUT CAN WE CLARIFY THAT AMBIGUITY BY REQUESTING THAT THE DIRECTNESS BE REVIEWED BY CHALLENGE JOURNEY, AND I THINK YOU WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND SEEK GUIDANCE.
IF YOU BELIEVE THERE'S A POTENTIAL CONFLICT.
AND IN FACT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO FOR YOU.
IF THERE'S A CONFLICT YOU RUN THROUGH THOSE STATUTORY PROCEDURES FOR WHAT WE DO IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LAST CLAUSE HAS TO BE THERE.
YEAH, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS KIND OF REDUNDANT.
UH, ME AND TAD CAN LOOK AT IT AS IT RELATES TO OTHER STATE LAW, AND WE CAN PROVIDE MORE DIRECTION ON THAT, THE MEETING TOMORROW.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS? THAT'S A GOOD CATCH, TOM.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OR THE ORDER? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY IN PERSON TOMORROW NIGHT AND WE'LL BE AT THE TREEHOUSE.