[ Call Meeting to Order: Mayor Joe Chow - Addison City Council Chair Eileen Resnick]
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DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE? NOPE.
[1. Present and Discuss the Development Code Review Process and Solicit Feedback on the Draft Unified Development Code Development Standards Addressing Flood Prevention, Grading and Drainage, Access and Circulation, and the Subdivision of Land.]
ONE IS THAT THIS, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW PROCESS AND SOLICIT FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT 25 CODE ADDRESSING FLOOD PREVENTION, GRADING, AND DRAINAGE ACCESS AND SEPARATION IN THE SUBDIVISION.BUT BEFORE, CAN YOU MAKE A PRESENTATION I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE COLLEEN RASNICK P AND Z CHAIRPERSON? NOT REALLY.
WE'RE JUST REALLY GLAD TO BE HERE WITH THE COUNCIL AND A PRODUCTIVE MEETING CHAIR.
RESIDENT GIVES YOU CONTROL OF THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE COMMISSION.
MAYOR CITY COUNCIL PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON.
I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO RE-INTRODUCE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT.
IT HAS BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF SINCE WE'VE, UH, OR THESE BODIES HAVE LAST DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT AND CERTAINLY WE'VE HAD SOME EVENTS, UH, PANDEMIC CHANGES ON STAFF THAT HAS LIMITED OUR ABILITY TO, UH, MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
BUT I'M VERY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO KICK IT OFF.
WE DID HAVE A VERY ENGAGING DISCUSSION WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE PROJECT, UH, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
UM, VERY GOOD PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THEY WERE ABLE TO, UH, JUMP RIGHT IN BACK TO THE PROJECT AS IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY LAST ADDRESS LAST MONTH.
SO THEY'RE EXCITED TO WORK WITH OUR TEAM TO THIS PROJECT FOR, AND, AND BRING IT TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, IN MAY AND JUNE OF 2022.
SO FOR THIS PROJECT, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S VERY, UH, IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY, AND THAT IS PERHAPS THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT I'M WORKING ON.
UH, THAT IMPACTS THE ABILITY OF MY DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY CUSTOMER SERVICE, UH, IMPACT ALL THE LIFE AND ADDISON, AND ALSO, UH, IMPROVE AND REFINE AND UPHOLD THE GREAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER, UH, THAT WE'VE GROWN TO LOVE HERE IN ADDISON.
SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO REINTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT TEAM FROM CLARION ASSOCIATES TO KICK OFF DISCUSSION ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
I'M MATT GOOGLE WITH CLARION ASSOCIATES.
IT'S THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I'LL STAND UP HERE SO I CAN SEE EVERYONE'S FACES.
UM, I AM, UH, THIS FOR A SECOND UNTIL WE GET YOU A NEW ONE.
IS THIS RECORDING OR JUST FOR THE VOICE VOICE? OKAY.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? ALL RIGHT.
UM, IT'S GREAT TO SEE A LOT OF THE SAME FACES AROUND THE TABLE.
NOW I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SUCH A CONTINUITY AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
I'VE GOT A NEW COLLEAGUE WITH ME TONIGHT.
UH, GABBY HART, YOU ALL, LET ME INTRODUCE YOURSELF BRIEFLY.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU ON THE REMAINDER OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WE ALSO HAVE A THIRD MEMBER OF THE TEAM WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
UH, Y'ALL MET HIM BEFORE, UH, JIM DOHERTY, WHO'S DOWN IN THE HOUSTON AREA AND IS TEXAS LANGUAGE LAW EXPERT.
AND WHO'S AT THE TABLE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MONITORING EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND HOW TEXAS STATUTES CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AND, AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE CODE.
UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE AS A TEAM, UH, TO GET THE PROJECT ROLLING AGAIN.
AND TONIGHT WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH WITH YOU ALL.
UH, ONE IS JUST TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE OVERALL SCOPE IT'S BEEN AWHILE.
I THINK MY LAST MEETING WITH Y'ALL
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WAS NOVEMBER OF 2019 OR SOMETHING.AND SO I THINK EVERYBODY COULD USE A REFRESHER ON JUST THE OVERALL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE AND WHAT THE UPDATED CALENDAR IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, WE ALSO WANT TO BRING IT BACK UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WE COVERED SUBSTANTIVELY IN THE LAST MEETINGS, THE ZONING DISTRICTS OF THE USES THAT WE ROLLED OUT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THAT IN A HUGE AMOUNT OF DETAIL, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE YOU ENOUGH CONTEXT THAT YOU REALLY REMEMBER WHAT WE'VE COVERED SO FAR.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE'LL S WE'LL SPEND THE BALANCE OF THE MEETING STARTING TO GET INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND THAT MEANS KIND OF THE QUALITY STANDARDS THAT AFFECT HOW BUILDINGS LOOK AND HOW A SITE IS LAID OUT.
REALLY THE THINGS THAT ARE MAKING ADDISON SPECIAL AND DISTINCTIVE IN THE METROPLEX.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH ALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TONIGHT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY SCOPING THAT OUT AS THREE MEETINGS.
AND SO GABBY AND I ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH YOU ALL IN JULY AND ALSO IN AUGUST TO CONTINUE ROLLING OUT ADDITIONAL TOPICS LIKE BUILDING DESIGN AND PARKING.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO START TO START TO OPEN THAT BOX.
LET'S GET GOING JUST TO REMIND YOU ALL.
WHY, WHY ARE YOU UPDATING THE ZONING CODE? THE TEXT ON THIS SLIDE IS ACTUALLY SOME LANGUAGE THAT Y'ALL HAD IN THE ORIGINAL RFP FOR A CONSULTANT TO WORK ON THIS CODE.
UH, THESE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED AS REALLY IMPORTANT.
UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, MOST OF IMPLEMENT THE PLAN, THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, GOOD PLANNING WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN ADDISON, NOT JUST THE COMP PLAN, BUT SPECIAL AREA PLANS.
YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD, ROBUST ZONING TOOLBOX TO GET YOU THERE.
AND SO THAT WAS THE FIRST GOAL OF THE PROJECT USER-FRIENDLINESS OF THE CODE DOCUMENTS, UM, WAS, WAS KEY, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE SUBSTANCE OF THE REGULATIONS AND THEN A WHOLE SET OF SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES, WHICH WE ADDRESS FROM STREAMLINING THE PROCESS TO ENHANCING THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN ADDISON.
SO, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET TO ALL THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT THE LIST THAT YOU ASKED US TO WORK ON AS WE KICKED OFF HIS PROJECT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SO THE SCOPE IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR BIG TASKS, AND, UH, IT'S BEEN UPDATED THE TIME, SET THEM UP, UPDATED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE HERE.
SO WE KICKED THINGS OFF BACK IN 2018 WITH, UH, TALKING WITH YOU ALL, TALKING WITH FOLKS THAT DO DEVELOPMENT AND ADDISON, UH, FINDING WHAT WORKS AND WHAT COULD BE IMPROVED IN THEIR CURRENT DEWALT REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT WORK THAT WE DID WITH YOUR STAFF TO COME UP TO SPEED ON HOW TO SOME ISSUES.
WE SUMMARIZED OUR ASSESSMENT ON WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT COULD BE APPROVED.
AND AN ASSESSMENT REPORT CAME OUT PRESENTED THAT DANIEL'S FEEDBACK.
THEN WE JUMPED INTO THE DRAFTING PHASE, UH, HERE'S WHERE OUR, OUR, OUR SCHEDULE WENT OFF.
SO WE GOT TO GET TO PART, PART ONE.
WE INTRODUCED THE DISTRICTS IN USES WITH YOU ALL.
AND THEN WE TOOK A PAUSE AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON IN THE DRAFTING OF THE CODE WITH THREE ADDITIONAL PIECES.
SO WE DON'T JUST GIVE YOU AN ENTIRE DRAFT CODE.
AT ONE TIME, WE BREAK IT DOWN INTO CHUNKS.
SO Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE FIRST CHUNK DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WILL BE THE SECOND CHANNEL.
THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN THE FALL WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GET AN APPLICATION CONSIDERED AN APPROVED? AND THEN FINALLY, WE'LL COME BACK WITH A COUPLE OF SPECIAL TOPIC AREAS, SIGNS, AND WIRELESS COMMUNICATION TO SQUEEZE.
THE GOAL IS TO GET THOSE ALL IN FRONT OF YOU AND DISCUSS INITIALLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO WE COME BACK IN EARLY 20, 22, AND WE HAVE, WE PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER IN A REVISED VERSION THAT INCORPORATES ALL THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD.
SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY DO A REVISED VERSIONS OF EACH OF THESE MODULES.
UH, IMMEDIATELY WE WAIT, WE WOULD COLLECT ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.
WE'VE FOLDED INTO A CONSOLIDATED CRAFT, DO ANOTHER ROUND OF MEETINGS OF THE CONSOLIDATED DRAFT, SEVERAL MEETINGS, ACTUALLY.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE ADOPTION PHASE, WHICH IS SCHEDULED RIGHT NOW FOR A MIDDLE OF 2022 EARLIEST LITTLE 20 TWEETS.
UH, THIS IS THE NEW DATE THAT WE'RE AIMING FOR IN TERMS OF FINAL ADOPTION OF THAT KIND OF, IF YOU ALL ACTUALLY PULLED OUT YOUR OLD CALENDARS AND YOU COMPARE IT, THIS, UH, THIS WAS OCTOBER 20, OCTOBER, 2020.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG CHANGE, BUT, UM, WE HAVE HAD A PAUSE.
AND SO ACTUALLY WHAT AS KEN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO IS PAUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRESENTATION.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THE RECAP ONE ON THE FIRST CASE FIRST, BUT THEN JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE PAUSED.
WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED IN THAT YEAR THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT TO THE PROJECT? WHAT LESSONS HAVE WE LEARNED ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, MAYBE, UH, JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BRAINSTORMING SESSION ABOUT HOW TO READ, GAIN MOMENTUM IN THE PUBLIC FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO THE SECOND HALF OF THE DISCUSSION, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT STATEMENTS.
SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE, THOSE ISSUES AND, AND WE'LL PAUSE.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A FEW MINUTES, I WANT TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE WEBSITE.
THE WEBSITE'S BEEN UP FOR AWHILE, WE JUST, RE-UPPED THE DOMAIN NAME AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE ON THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
I CONTINUES TO BE THE, THE, THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THIS STUFF THAT WE'VE PRODUCED, CHECK IT OUT.
IF YOU HAVEN'T IN AWHILE, ADDISON, UDC.WORK, UH, YOU CAN SIGN UP TO RECEIVE ALERTS.
UM, WE HAVE AN EMAIL LIST THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, FOR PEOPLE
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THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.AND CANDIDLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO REINVIGORATE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT LESS THAN 20 PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.
AND MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE SPECIFICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, LIKE THEY'RE ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO JUST KIND OF GET THE PROJECT OUT THERE? AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT PUBLIC OUTREACH AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO READ OUT A LOAD OF DOCUMENTS LIKE THE ASSESSMENT REPORT OR THE INITIAL DRAFTS, THE WEBSITES, THE PLACE TO GO, ALL RIGHT.
SO THAT'S MY KIND OF OVERVIEW ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE SCOPE.
SO NOW I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE REMINDER ABOUT WHAT WE COVERED IN PHASE ONE, WE'VE COVERED A LOT.
AND I MENTIONED THAT USER-FRIENDLY MISS SCHOOL RIGHT UPFRONT, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHINE THE LIGHT ON THAT ISSUE.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT INTO SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM A FAIRLY LEGALISTIC OLD SCHOOL TEXT, HEAVY APPROACH INTO SOMETHING THAT'S STILL A LEGAL DOCUMENT, BUT IT'S BETTER ILLUSTRATED.
AND IT'S GOT SUMMARY TABLES AND IT'S GOT GRAPHICS.
SO THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE PAGE AND ONE OF THE ZONE DISTRICTS, AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THESE ILLUSTRATIONS FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT ZONE MYSTERIES.
WHEN YOU PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER, THAT'S A GOOD OVERVIEW OF KIND OF THE
SO THESE ARE TOOLS TO HELP THE PUBLIC, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE MOVING FORWARD IN ADDISON.
IT'S NOT JUST A LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE PROHIBITED OR SOMETHING.
WE'VE GOT TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY TO PROCESS NECESSARILY.
IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS AND UNDERSTAND.
I'M NOT GOING TO SHOW YOU A LOT OF ILLUSTRATIONS TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S, I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS PAGE JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT WE'VE DONE A LOT, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A REAL FOCUS AREA FOR US MOVING FORWARD.
SO SUBSTANTIVELY, WHAT DID WE DO WITH THE ZONING DISTRICTS? WELL, THE GOAL WASN'T TO DO A COMPLETE RETHINK AND CHUNK THEM ALL OUT AND START FROM SCRATCH.
THE GOAL WAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT ADDISON ZONE DISTRICT LINEUP WAS PRETTY GOOD, BUT IT NEEDED TO BE TWEAKED IN SOME, IN SOME WAYS.
AND SO WHAT DO I MEAN BY TWEAKED? WELL, CLEAN UP THE DISTRICT LINEUP, UM, MOVE FROM A DISTRICT BASED APPROACH TO A CITY-WIDE APPROACH.
YOU ALL HAVE SOME INTERESTING, THOUGHTFUL PLANNING AND ZONING THAT'S BEEN DONE FOR PARTICULAR AREAS WITHIN US, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS CIRCLE AND LIKE BELTLINE GOOD STUFF IN THOSE ORDINANCES.
THE GOAL HERE IS TO MOVE FROM AN AREA SPECIFIC APPROACH TO A MORE CITY-WIDE APPROACH WHERE SOME OF THOSE GOOD TOOLS COULD BE USED ELSEWHERE.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FEW MINUTES, ALSO ESTABLISH A RATIONAL MENU OF TIER DISTRICTS TO ENCOURAGE COURAGE, FUTURE BUY DEVELOPMENT.
SO JUST A CLEAN LINEUP OF DISTRICTS THAT SHOWS ALL THE DIFFERENT AVAILABLE OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW YOUR CURRENT LINEUP IS MAYBE NOT QUITE AS CLEAR IN TERMS OF A CLEAR SPECTRUM OF OPTIONS.
THE PARADOXICAL THERE IS IMPORTANT, AND I'LL KEEP COMING BACK TO THAT VERSUS ALWAYS HAVING TO NEGOTIATE PUD.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CLEAR MESSAGES WE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE, AND A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PDS HAVE BECOME PART OF, KIND OF A BI-RITE TOOL BY, BY DEFAULT TOOL.
THERE'S THE STANDARD WAY OF DOING DEVELOPMENT ANALYSIS.
THAT'S NOT BAD BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND CREATIVITY FOR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, BUT IT ALSO MEANS THAT'S A REALLY CHALLENGING SYSTEM TO ADMINISTER, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONE OF THOSE IS KIND OF ITS OWN MINI ZONING CODE.
AND THERE'S NOT MUCH PREDICTABILITY THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET AT THE END OF THAT PD PROCESS.
SO NELL'S MESSAGE TO US WAS THOSE.
PDS SHOULD BE PART OF IT, PART OF THE TOOLBOX, BUT CAN WE HAVE A BETTER SYSTEM, BUT BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT AND BETTER ZONE DISTRICTS.
SO THE PDS ARE NOT ALWAYS THE DEFAULT OPTION.
SO WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
SO IN TERMS OF CLEANING UP THE DISTRICT CLIENT UP IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THOSE OWN DISTRICTS, WHAT DO WE LOOK AT? WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE CONSOLIDATING SOME DISTRICTS, MAYBE NOT CARRYING FORWARD SOME DISTRICTS, IF THEY'RE NOT USED, MAYBE ESTABLISHING SOME NEW, SOME NEW DISTRICTS, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF AND THESE MEETINGS, AND WE TALKED WITH YOU ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CONSOLIDATE DISTRICTS IF THEY HAVE SIMILAR PURPOSE STATEMENTS, SIMILAR LATIN BUILDING STANDARDS, ET CETERA.
AND JUST BEFORE I MOVE ON AND I'LL JUST, JUST KNOW THE ZONING MAP WITH THE HEAVY USE OF THE PURPLE PD COLOR, JUST KIND OF ILLUSTRATING THE LARGE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT'S BEEN COVERED BY PDS IN ADDISON TODAY.
SO LOOKING AT USING THAT ANALYSIS, KIND OF GOING THROUGH THOSE FACTORS FOR CONSOLIDATION FACTORS, FOR NEW DISTRICTS, ET CETERA, WE WALKED THROUGH SOME, SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE LINE BY LINE, BUT I'VE GOT A CHART FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS FIRST, JUST TO REMIND YOU, WE'RE PROPOSING, MOVING FROM WHAT'S ON THE LEFT TO SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE RIGHT.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ARE MAYBE NOT CARRYING FORWARD DISTRICTS THAT ARE NEEDED.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY CALLING YOUR CURRENT HEART TO, AND YOUR ARE THREE OBSOLETE
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DISTRICTS BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY NEVER APPLIED TO THE ZONING MAP.UH, THIS IS ONE, THE APARTMENT DWELLING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, TURNING INTO SOMETHING CALLED THE LEGACY OF THIS GROUP.
AND THAT'S A DISTRICT THAT'S GOING TO STAY ON THE BOOKS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW FUTURE REZONINGS TO THAT DISTRICT FROM INFORMER.
THERE WILL BE TOOLS TO DO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT, WELLINGTON DISTRICT, AS IT SAID, NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH OTHER MECHANISMS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
UM, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE SITE OR PROJECT IN THE APARTMENT DISTRICT, AND I THINK IT'S A MINT TREATMENT HOPE ENTRY METRIC.
UM, SO WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING NEW NAMES.
AND REMEMBER I TALKED ABOUT A RATIONAL KIND OF TIERED SET OF DISTRICTS THAT HAD A MORE RATIONAL LINEUP, YOU KNOW, MOVING TO A S A SET OF NAMES LIKE ARE ONE OR TWO OR THREE IS A GOOD WAY OF STARTING TO MOVE TOWARDS A MORE KIND OF JUST RATIONAL TIERED SYSTEM THAT ILLUSTRATES THERE'S A SPECTRUM OF INTENSITY IN YOUR DISTRICTS.
AND THAT'S SOME OF THAT, SOME OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, JUST WITH SOME SIMPLE RENAMES, UM, MIXED USE DISMISSAL.
NOW, REMEMBER I TALKED ABOUT Y'ALL DO AREAS SPECIFIC ZONING.
YOU'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD ZONING, UH, THINKING THAT'S GONE INTO ADDISON CIRCLE.
THAT'S, THAT'S CALLED THE URBAN CENTER DISTRICT.
THAT'S GOING INTO THE BELTLINE DISTRICT, AND THAT PLAYS OUT IN MULTIPLE SUB DISTRICTS.
SO OUR TASK AND WAS TO, WAS TO LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER TIERED SET OF MIXED USE DISTRICTS THAT WOULD APPLY, THEN YOU COULD, THAT YOU COULD USE ACROSS THE CITY.
AND SO THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF ADDISON CIRCLE TURNED INTO A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT IN ONE, UH, THE VARIOUS FLAVORS OF MIXED USE IN THE BELTLINE DISTRICT, WHERE IT WAS KIND OF A SUBURBAN CORRIDOR IN THE BELTLINE DISTRICT, UH, THOSE TURNED INTO, INTO, AND YOU COULD SEE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CONSOLIDATE THIS.
REMEMBER CONSOLIDATION WAS ALSO ONE OF MY FACTORS BECAUSE THESE ACTUALLY HAVE VERY MINIMAL DIFFERENCES TECHNICALLY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE WAY THEY'RE LAID OUT.
AND WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THOSE, THOSE, MAINTAINING THOSE DISTINCTIONS THROUGH OTHER TOOLS RATHER THAN HAVING SOME DISTRICTS.
SO, UM, THESE ACTUALLY ALL ULTIMATELY WILL BE A 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A SPECTRUM OF INTENSITY STARTING WITH THE LEAST INTENSE, KIND OF THE MORE RESIDENTIAL, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL MOVING INTO A MUCH MORE INSENSITIVE IN FIVE.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY NEW DISTRICTS.
AND SO WHAT KIND OF FILLING IN THE GAPS OF SPECTRUMS OF MIXED USE MOVING FORWARD AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THOSE ILLUSTRATIONS, WE'VE GOT STANDARDS FOR ALL THESE, BUT, UM, THESE ARE, IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION OF THE BEST OF WHAT YOU HAVE NOW, BUT ALSO INTRODUCING NEW TOOLS.
AND FINALLY, YEAH, NON-RESIDENTIAL, UM, SOME OF THOSE SAME KIND OF PRINCIPLES REQUIRE, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME NEW NAMES, UH, MARSHALL, UH, LIMITED AS A PROPOSED NEW NAME FOR LR.
UH, A LOT OF THE SEA TROUT USES AND THE INDUSTRIAL USES ARE REALLY GETTING IT LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL CONCEPTS.
THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONSOLIDATED AND THE
SO WE WALKED THROUGH KIND OF OUR RATIONALE FOR ALL THESE DISTRICTS BACK IN PHASE ONE.
SO I'M JUST BRINGING YOU BACK UP TO SPEED, UM, PLANET MELVIN, AS LONG AS THE SLIDE.
AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A WHOLE SLIDE JUST ON THAT.
I'VE ALREADY STARTED TO INTRODUCE THIS POINT PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS NOT INTENDED TO GO AWAY HERE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE THAT AWAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF HOW Y'ALL DO BUSINESS, BUT IDEALLY IT SHOULDN'T BE THE DEFAULT WAY OF DOING BUSINESS, UH, CLARIFYING THE NEW CODE.
IT'S A UNIQUE TOOL FOR SPECIAL CASES AND TRY TO INTRODUCE KIND OF RE-INTRODUCE THIS IDEA THAT IN EXCHANGE FOR FLEXIBILITY, FROM THE CODE, THAT APPLICANT IS EXPECTED TO RAISE THE BAR AND TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC BENEFIT IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY.
SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO REINTRODUCE THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A NEGOTIATION THERE, AND THAT THERE'S EXPECTED TO BE SOMETHING OF PUBLIC BENEFIT AND EXCHANGE FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR THE COUNTRY, THE STANDARDS.
ONE OF THE WAYS WE TRIED TO SAY THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A DEFAULT MECHANISM ALL THE TIME IS THAT YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CRITERIA WOULD HAVE TO BE, TO DO A PD ZONING.
WHAT WE PROPOSED IN THE DRAFT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR WAS THE MINIMUM SIZE ACRE OF FIVE ACRES, THIS TO DISINCENTIVIZE PDS ON SMALL SITES.
WE ALSO SAID YOU COULDN'T DO A PD.
AND THOSE THE MOST INTENSIVE, MIXED USE AREAS AND FOUR AND FIVE, BECAUSE THOSE WERE REALLY INTENDED TO BE THE TOOLS TO DO BIG CREATIVE MIXED USE PROJECTS.
AND ALSO YOU COULDN'T DO A PD IF, IF, IF, IF YOU COULD OTHERWISE DO IT USING THE STANDARDS THAT A BASE DISTRICT, IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING USING THAT NEW IN THREE DISTRICTS, USE THE
SO THAT'S WHAT WE PUT ON THE TABLE, BUT IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE HAD GOOD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WITH THE COMMITTEE WITH Y'ALL.
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THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK, UH, THE SIZE THRESHOLD, UM, THAT SEEMED UNREALISTIC IN A PLACE, THE SIZE OF ADDISON TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF FIVE ACRE SITES, POTENTIALLY THAT SEEM ARBITRARY AS A NUMBER.
UM, SO I I'VE GOT THIS UP HERE, JUST CAUSE I WANTED TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE CONVERSATION WE HAD, BUT THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW, WHEN WE PUT THE CONSOLIDATED CODE TOGETHER, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE IN THERE.
THERE MIGHT BE A SMALLER THRESHOLD FOR Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT SIZE THRESHOLD, OR MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER LIMITING CRITERIA FOR USING THIS.
IS, WAS IT A GOOD TIME TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THAT WEBSITE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT COMMENTS? UM, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
WE ACTUALLY, WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
AND SO, UH, Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
WE'RE STILL TAKING FEEDBACK ON PHASE ONE STUFF I'M ALMOST DONE WITH MY PHASE ONE OVERVIEW.
OH, NO, I HAVE TO GO TO THE USES JUST ONE STEP.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE DISTRICTS, BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT USES A LOT OF THEM, THE DISTRICTS, AND WE ROLLED OUT THE WHOLE NEW USE TABLE.
AND IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, THIS IS A COLOR CODED THING, UH, THAT HAS GREEN, AND IT'S GOT THE RED COLOR WITH THE GREEN, INDICATING THAT IT'S A, A, UH, A MORE PERVASIVE USE, UH, SO SOMETHING TO BE ALLOWED OR WHERE IT'S NOT ALLOWED NOW.
AND THE RED IS KIND OF SCALING BACK ON THE, ON THE, ON THE ALLOWANCES AND WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK IN THIS.
AND WE, WE BASICALLY WENT THROUGH A WHOLE ANALYSIS TO RETHINK THE LEFT SIDE OF THE TABLE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER, MORE RATIONAL CATEGORIZATION TO HELP CAPTURE NEW USES THAT YOU DON'T ALLOW YOUR CURRENT CODE TO, UH, TO, UH, TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, UH, UH, AN UNLISTED USE HAS PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, WHICH CATEGORY IT COMES IN.
SO A LOT OF WORK DONE IN THAT LEFT HAND SIDE, ON THE WORK DONE IN HERE AS WELL IN THE PERMISSIONS, IN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS TO MATCH UP THE REVISED USES WITH THE NEW USE TABLES.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING WE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT THIS WHOLE SET OF USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS OVER ON THE RIGHT, UH, CONTROLLED, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR STANDARDS FOR USE, REGARDLESS OF, OF WHICH DISTRICT IT'S IN.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, SOME, SOME SPECIAL TYPES OF USES, LIKE TEMPORARY USES AND ACCESS FOR USES, WHICH ARE YOU, DON'T, IT'S, YOUR CURRENT REGULATIONS ARE PRETTY SILENT ON BOTH OF THESE.
AND SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT NEW THING TO PROVIDE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE PREDICTABILITY ON THINGS LIKE DONATION DROP BOXES OR THINGS LIKE AS A TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT, UH, IN FRONT OF THOSE SMS THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE NEW MATERIAL THAT WE INTRODUCED.
SO THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE ONE LAST SLIDE ON THAT PIECE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO KIND OF A DISCUSSION OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT RESTARTING.
NOW, UM, TIME HAS PASSED WITH THE PANDEMIC AND STAFFING CHANGES.
WE JUST WANTED TO PAUSE AND HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT'VE LEARNED, UH, IN THAT PAST YEAR OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT US TO KNOW AS THE PROJECT TEAM MOVING FORWARD.
UH, UH, BEFORE WE, UH, KIND OF MOVE INTO THE PHASE TWO PIECE, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PIECE AT THE VERY END OF THE PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO JUST TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IN THE PHASE.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOUSE BILL 24 39.
AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE VERY PD HEAVY THINK IT'S SOLD AS WELL, BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE USE THAT TO CONTROL AESTHETICS TO SOME EXTENT, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO SCRAP AS MANY PDS AS WE CAN, BECAUSE THAT'S, I THINK AT THIS POINT, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT BILL, BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT'S ALL ONE OF OUR WAYS, ONE OF OUR TOOLS TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AESTHETICS AND FINISHES ON WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE USED TO.
SO IT IS, UH, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR, YOU KNOW, CHARACTER PROTECTION DISTRICTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT WOULD ALSO BE WAYS, UM, TO APPLY, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING MATERIAL CONTROLS THAT WE COULDN'T DO OTHERWISE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF INTERPRETATIONS ON THAT BILL AND BRENDA, YOU FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AS WELL.
GENERALLY, WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM MY EXPERIENCE IS COMMUNITIES ARE NOT MAKING THE ARGUMENT.
THAT PD TOOL IS A TOOL THAT YOU CAN USE TO, UM, REGULATE MASONRY BUILDING MATERIALS, WHERE CITIES ARE PROBABLY MOST FREQUENTLY DOING THAT AND STILL DOING IT IS ENTERING INTO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS TO REQUIRE THAT, AND THAT'S DONE KIND OF CONCURRENT TO THE ZONING PROCESS.
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OKAY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? SO THE, THE BILL SAYS THAT THE CITY CANNOT PASS A RULE OR REGULATION THAT DICTATES BUILDING MATERIALS, OTHER THAN THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE LAST THREE CODE CYCLES.SO A PD, EVEN THOUGH THE DEVELOPER MAY STAND UP AND OFFER IT, THE BILL PROHIBITS US FROM PASSING A RULE OR REGULATION, THAT INCLUDES WHAT THE DEVELOPER OFFERED.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING AND STATUS, WHAT KEN SAID IS WE'RE COMING UP WITH SOME MECHANISM THROUGH A WAIVER OF SOME LEVEL OF BUILDING PERMIT FEES OR SOME CONSIDERATION THAT SUPPORTS THE ABILITY TO CONTRACTUALLY AGREE TO BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO THAT'S NOT A RULE OR REGULATION.
THAT'S A CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN TWO WILLING PARTIES AND THERE'S CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE AGREEMENTS.
AND SO THE CHALLENGE FOR CITIES IS YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER WANTS DO.
USUALLY, YOU KNOW, IMPACT BEING CREDITS WHERE IMPACT FEES ARE LEVY, BUT WHERE THEY'RE NOT, IT'S SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT FEED WAIVERS OR EXPEDITED INSPECTIONS OR SOMETHING THAT FACILITATES THEIR PROCESS THAT CAN SUPPORT CONSIDERATION AND A CONTRACT, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND THAT'S SO FAR HAS BEEN, UM, NOT STRUCK DOWN AS A METHOD FOR DOING THAT.
SO CHALLENGE THERE'VE BEEN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS, UH, ON THAT I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, IT'S JUST CLEARLY FALLS OUTSIDE THE DEFINITION OF RULE OR REGULATION.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE TOOL UNDER THE GUISE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO ACHIEVE, UH, A COMMUNITY STANDARD.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER PAST PG ORDINANCES THAT HAVE THOSE PROVISIONS CAN BE ENFORCED PROSPECTIVELY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THOSE PDS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO ARGUE THERE THAT WE CAN, BECAUSE THE BILL ISN'T INTENDED TO BE RETROACTIVE, BUT GOING FORWARD, EVEN IF THE DEVELOPER OFFERS IT AND SAYS, PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE.
UM, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT A CITY DO THAT BECAUSE THAT VERY FACT VIOLATES THE STATUTE.
WE'RE JUMPING AHEAD TO A TOPIC THAT ACTUALLY WASN'T ON OUR AGENDA REALLY FOR TONIGHT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LATER PARTS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUT IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THAT BUILDING DESIGN TOPIC LATER.
AND I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE DRAFT YOU HAVE OF THIS MODULE IS FROM LAST YEAR, AND THAT WAS WRITTEN BASICALLY WITH THE THINKING THAT 24 39 MIGHT BE REPEATED, OR JUST, JUST PRETEND LIKE IT'S NOT THERE.
AND SO THAT'S THE PERSPECTIVE THAT INFORMED THAT CURRENT GRAPH THAT'S OUT THERE.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT WITH, WITH BRENDA, WITH KEN AND WITH YOU ALL, UH, IF YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PHILOSOPHY NEEDS TO BE IN DRAFTING A NEW SECTION.
WELL, AND THERE ARE EVEN CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT USING OTHER RULES TO IMPLEMENT COMMUNITY STANDARDS, ARTICULATION RICK WARREN WINDOWS ON ALL SIDES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING AN ARCHITECTURAL BASE, A MIDDLE AND A TOP.
AND I'VE HAD A, A LAND USE ATTORNEY, EVEN CHALLENGED THAT SAYING, THAT'S NOT WHAT MY CLIENT WANTS TO DO.
MY CLIENT WANTS TO BUILD A FARM HOUSE FARM HOUSE.
DOESN'T HAVE A BASE OF METAL ON THE TOP.
AND IF YOU ENFORCE THAT, YOU'RE TELLING THEM THAT THEY CAN'T DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BECOME MORE WISE IN THE WAY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ACHIEVE REGULATIONS THAT ACHIEVE COMMUNITY STANDARDS.
UM, YEAH, HE'S, UH, HE'S VERY BLUSTERY AND HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT, BUT, UH, IT'S, I THINK IT'S IN THE BACK OF THEIR MIND THAT IF YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO USE TWO MATERIALS, I CAN'T USE, YOU KNOW, FARMHOUSE SIDING.
WELL, THE TEXT ACTUALLY SAYS YOU CAN'T REGULATE MY AESTHETIC METHODS, METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE IT'S JUST THIS VERY AMBIGUOUS, RIGHT.
BUT THE CONSENSUS OF CITIES IS STILL THAT YOU CAN REGULATE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
SO SOME OF THE TRAITS THAT BRENDA
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JUST LAID OUT THERE IN THAT FARMHOUSE DISCUSSION, AND IT'S VERY MUCH STILL ON THE TABLE FOR REGULATION.SO, UM, THERE'S NO CITY OR LAND USE ATTORNEY THAT I KNOW OF THAT WOULD ARGUE AGAINST THAT.
CERTAINLY DEVELOPERS CAN PUSH BACK ON THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, NO PROGRESS IS MADE CHALLENGING THAT, SO IT'LL BE VERY MUCH RIGHT.
THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HANGING OUR HAT AND THE BUILDERS HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT.
SO THAT'LL BE NEXT ON THEIR AGENDA.
WELL, I, MY POINT, I DON'T REALLY CARE IF IT'S A PD OR HOW WE GET THERE, BUT I WANT US TO FIT SOMEHOW IN THIS DOCUMENT, HAVE SOME CONTROL AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR US.
YOU KNOW, WE SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY ON AESTHETICS AND DEVELOPMENT, DIFFERENT AREAS, ALL AREAS OF TIME.
BUT I THINK IT'S, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT IF IT'S NOT A PD THERE'S ANOTHER IN THERE THAT WE CAN, WE DO HAVE OTHER TOOLS.
AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE PURPOSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, CHAPTER OF THE CODE IS TO RUN THE GAMUT OF ALL THOSE OTHER TOOLS THAT AFFECT DEVELOPMENT QUALITY BEYOND BUILDING DESIGN.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, JUST THE WAY THE SITE IS DESIGNED.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ESTABLISH BETTER INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY, BUT IT'S NOT BUILDING DESIGN NECESSARILY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT AFFECT THE VALUE AND THE PERCEPTION OF A SITE AND HOW IT CREATES A BETTER ADDISON.
AND WE WOULD COVER A LOT OF THOSE THINGS FOR YEARS ON STREETSCAPES.
WE'VE BEEN REQUIRING, UM, NICHE PARKS AND SOME THINGS THAT WILL CREATE INTEREST THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY THOUGHT OF, BUT CAN BE USED VERY EFFECTIVELY TO CREATE QUALITY.
OR I WANT TO BRING US BACK TO THIS SLIDE BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR, UH, KIND OF DIVIDING POINT BETWEEN OUR RECAP OF PART ONE.
AND THEN JUST KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGING WE'VE HAD THIS GAP BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE NEW STUFF.
SO DOES ANYBODY WANT TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS THERE? I MEAN, I MEAN, LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE PANDEMIC OR OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU WANT TO LET US KNOW ABOUT THAT MIGHT AFFECT YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ZONING CODE? I, I THINK, UM, NOT NECESSARILY FROM THE PANDEMIC PER SE, BUT LAST NIGHT COUNSEL HAD OUR, WE HAD OUR ANNUAL STRATEGIC PLANS, UH, SESSION.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF CONTINUING THE PROJECT IS, UH, CERTAINLY NO LESS MINIMIZED.
SO THE SENSE OF URGENCY THERE FOR, UM, CONTINUING ON THE SAME TRAJECTORY AND, UH, GETTING IT DONE.
I THINK THAT, UM, ONE OF THE LESSONS LEARNED IS THAT BUSINESS LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT.
NOW, THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FROM HOME.
THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT HAVE FLEXIBILITY AND THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALL OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN.
WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE YESTERDAY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE POINTS THEY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE.
AND, UM, I THINK THE WHOLE ROOM, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE OR WHAT THESE, HOW THESE TRENDS WOULD ULTIMATELY PLAY OUT.
BUT, UM, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE WATCHING OFFICE REDEVELOPED, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, DO YOU THINK ABOUT MAKING IT EASIER TO CONVERT OFFICES INTO HOUSING IN SOME WAY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT? SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT MORE, MORE TYPES OF HOUSING OPTIONS? WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT.
WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF MORE WORKING FROM HOME? UH, SHOULD WE BE THINKING MORE ABOUT IMPACTS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS OF CUSTOMERS COMING TO THE SITE OR SEMINAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO THAT THAT'S A SMART GROUP.
THEY HAVE, THEY ALL WANTED TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THOSE FUTURE CHANGES.
SO YEAH, ALONG THE SAME LINES, UH, UM, YOU SAID WE FROM CHECK AND ESTIMATE THE FUTURE.
WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, DOES YOUR VISION OF THE UDC ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE KIND OF FAIRLY QUICKLY AS WE BEGIN TO SEE TRENDS THAT ARE GOING UP AGAINST THE CURRENT REGULATIONS ENTERING THE ADDRESS RATHER QUICKLY, AS PEOPLE BEGAN TO MAKE SOME OF THESE CHANGES? THAT'S THE GOAL? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, UH, THE GOAL IS I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY IT'S A, IT'S A BETTER TOOLBOX, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE BETTER TOOLS IN PLACE IN THE FUTURE TO ADAPT TO CHANGING CONDITIONS.
THAT'S WHY WE TALK ABOUT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FLUSH OUT YOUR LINEUP AND ZONE DISTRICTS AND GIVE YOU A FULLER SPECTRUM OF DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY COMES, YOU'VE GOT THE TOOLS IN PLACE, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND IMMEDIATELY APPLY THAT AND NOT HAVE TO GO DOWN SOME ROAD OF A DIFFICULT PD NEGOTIATION NECESSARILY.
AND I THINK THERE'S BIG OPPORTUNITY TO BEYOND JUST THE STANDARDS.
A BIG PIECE OF THE CODE IS THE PROCEDURES THAT GUIDE ACTIONS FOR STAFF, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO ALIGN THOSE OUT BETTER, MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT AND MAKE THEM MORE USER-FRIENDLY FOR ALL PARTIES.
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I THINK AGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.WELL, UM, WE'RE REALLY FORTUNATE IN TEXAS THAT CONSTRUCTION DID NOT GET SHUT DOWN IN THE PANDEMIC.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE PRETTY NEW AT IT, BUT I'M HOPING YOU GOT DEBRIEFED, BUT YOU KNOW, CITY OF DALLAS IN PARTICULAR, I KNOW THE PROCESS THAT BOGGED DOWN IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF IT.
IT WASN'T THE WORKERS AT THE SITE.
SO I'M CURIOUS, DID WE DO THAT? OKAY.
AND IS THAT BEING SOMEONE OR SOME FORESIGHT INTO IF IT EVER HAPPENS AGAIN, WHICH WE ALL HOPE, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR, OUR TEAM, UH, THAT'S, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM, PUBLIC WORKS ALL PARTIES AND THE CITY INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
CERTAINLY THERE WAS, UH, CHALLENGES, UH, WITH ADAPTING TO THE PANDEMIC AND HOW IT IMPACTED OUR OPERATIONS.
BUT I WOULD SAY OUR TEAM DID A GREAT JOB, UH, IN DOING THAT TRANSITIONING MORE, THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS ELECTRONIC PLAN REVIEW AND ELECTRONIC APPLICATION SUBMITTAL.
UH, THAT IS, UH, TWO FOCUS AREAS THAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT'S NOT THE END OF THAT, THAT IMPROVEMENT THERE'S THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT FROM OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE USE IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, TO, TO BETTER ASSIST OUR TEAM, BUT ALSO ULTIMATELY OUR MAIN GOAL, WHICH IS PROVIDING A HIGH LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE.
I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER EMERGING USE CATEGORY THAT ADDISON WAS SORT OF THE CANARY IN THE MINE ON THIS ONE.
AND IS THAT THAT'S REALLY, AS MORE RESTAURANTS, UM, INCLUDED ENTERTAINMENT, COMO COMPONENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THOSE TABLES DON'T TURN AND NOBODY LIKES TO SEE MORE PARKING, BUT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND WHAT I THINK ADDISON EXPERIENCE WITH IMPROV AND WITH VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY IS THAT, UM, THE PARKING STANDARDS REALLY HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES.
AND A LOT OF RESTAURANTS NOW ARE RESTAURANTS WITH AN ENTERTAINMENT COMPONENT AND IT CHANGES BEHAVIORS FOR WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE AND WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE OUR GREATEST CHALLENGE, AND THAT WILL BE A LOT OF OUR EXPERIENCE IS GOING TO BE REUSE AND REDEVELOPMENT.
SO IT MAKES IT EVEN TRICKIER TO DO ADDRESS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT REINVESTMENT TO KEEP THOSE AREAS VIBRANT, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO ENSURE THAT IT FUNCTIONS WELL THAT HAS APPROPRIATE PARKING, BUT ALSO THE AESTHETIC PIECES, LANDSCAPING AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THE CODE.
AND I BELIEVE, UM, IN THE FUTURE, THE RESTAURANT EMPHASIZE JUST LAST OCCUPY LAST SPACE, AND THEN, UH, EMPHASIZE MORE TO GO TAKE OUT COMPONENTS WITH IT.
SO, BECAUSE SINCE PANDEMIC, MY BUSINESS WENT UP 30%, 40% JUST OVERALL, JUST BECAUSE I FOCUSED ON DELIVERY AND TAKE OUT THE OTHER RESTAURANT OPENING UP, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE TREND, WHAT PEOPLE GO UP TINY AND, UH, A LITTLE FEWER AND LESS TAKE OFF.
SO THEN I LOSE MOUNTAIN ADVANTAGE AND WE'RE LOSING THAT ADVANTAGE.
SO I'M DISAGREEING, GARY, HOW CAN I PROMOTE IN MORE THAN A YEAR? SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE BUDGET.
IF YOU THAT'S YOUR PROFESSION, THEN I BELIEVE PEOPLE HAVE THE OPEN SPACE IN THE OFFICE.
SO INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY COME TO WORK, SO THIS OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, WILL BE USED BY DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WORK AT A HOME, THEN THE OTHER EMPLOYEES JUST USE THE SPECS.
SO OFFICE SPACE WILL BE OFFICE.
WE'LL BASICALLY HAVE LAST SPACE, LAST FOOTAGE, BUT THAT WILL AFFECT THEIR, THE RATE, HOW MUCH THEY CAN LEAVE.
SO THAT'S IN THE FUTURE, THERE WILL BE THREE DIFFERENT.
AND THEN ALSO THE PARKING, UBER, UBER, AND LYFT BECOME SO POPULAR.
AND THEN PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF DRINK AND DRIVE.
SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT HAS TO BE REDUCED.
IT SAYS, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE RIGHT.
A FEW RESTAURANT PARKING ARE FULLY OCCUPIED, RIGHT? SO EXCEPT PROBABLY DURING PEAK, DURING PIANO.
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THAT PARKING LOT WAS ALWAYS BUSY WHEN THEY COME BACK, BUT OVER, OR YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING DEPARTMENT HAS TO BE CHANGED.BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICTING DYNAMICS.
THEN WE'LL HAVE TO TRY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AS THIS CONVERSATION ILLUSTRATES SOME, SOME NEED MORE SPACES, ESPECIALLY WITH ENTERTAINMENT COMPONENTS THAN SOME ARE GOING TO NEED LESS.
THE FOOTPRINT IS GOING TO CHANGE FOR SOME RESTAURANTS.
THE COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY WITH GOING OUT INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S KIND OF THAT PROCESS.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THAT EMPHASIS.
ALSO, I'VE NOTICED THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK ME WHETHER WE CAN PUT PATIO OUT, EAT OUTSIDE, TO REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY CONTRACT, ANY SIMILAR VIRUS IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT GOING TO BE WHILE THE TOPIC WILL BE FOCUSED.
THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO KICK OFF THE DISCUSSION OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT GENERALLY.
UM, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON PAST THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT PUBLIC OUTREACH AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO PARK ANY OF THOSE THOUGHTS IN YOUR MIND? UM, WE DID MOVE THIS SLIDE AFTER YESTERDAY'S DISCUSSION.
UM, WE'RE WE'RE WE HAVE NOT HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR OUR GENERAL MEETINGS IN THE PAST, ON THE CODE, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN GREAT.
THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN REALLY THOUGHTFUL AND GREAT THAT OUR OPEN HOUSES OR GENERAL PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES HAVE BEEN VERY SMALL.
SO GOING TO CONTINUE TO BRAINSTORM THIS JUST LIKE WE DO EVERYWHERE AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT WAYS TO BRING PEOPLE OUT.
KEVIN AND I AND GABBY HAVE BEEN BRAINSTORMING ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE MEETINGS MORE TOPIC BASED AND FIGURE OUT WHAT SPECIFIC TOPICS MIGHT DRAW PEOPLE OUT TO MEETINGS.
UM, IN OTHER PLACES I'VE SOMETIMES I'LL LIKE, YOU KNOW, CHERRY PICK ITEMS FROM THE CODE THAT DEAL WITH NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S RESIDENTIAL BUILDING HYPE FENCES OR CHICKENS, OR, UM, ALL CAUSE OF HOT BUTTONS.
AND IF YOU COULD PULL OUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS FROM THE CODE, THAT THAT CAN BE A GOOD WAY TO DRAW PEOPLE OUT.
Y'ALL POTENTIALLY HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT ISSUES.
SO WE'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
UM, YOU'RE DOING PROJECT SPECIFIC MEETINGS, LIKE YOU JUST HAD REALLY GOOD ATTENDANCE AT YOUR SAM'S CLUB MEETING.
AND SO LIKE 70 PEOPLE, I WAS REALLY JEALOUS WHEN I HEARD Y'ALL HAVE THAT SAID A LOT OF OUR OPTIONS IS RENAMING THIS THE SAM'S CLUB.
BUT JUST BEFORE WE MOVE ON OTHER IDEAS YOU HAVE ABOUT ENGAGEMENT OR ANYTHING TO JUST TO HELP TRY TO BEEF UP OUR GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST, IS IT POSSIBLE TO SERVE FREE WINE? I'M SERIOUS.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WINE REFRESHMENTS DEFINITELY CAN BRING PEOPLE OUT TO MEETINGS.
WE'VE HAD THAT SUCCESSFUL PLAN, PROJECT STUFF.
WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WHEN CAMPAIGN AND WE FOUND THAT FREE WINE IS THE ONLY ANTIDOTE.
WHAT IS THE NEXT, UM, TOWN MEETING OR TOWN HALL MEETING COINCIDE WITH ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WITH KEN AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE AUGUST.
WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO TRY TO DO IT ON THE JULY TRIP.
UM, BUT OUR, I THINK OUR PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE AWESOME.
I THINK CHRIS WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT, WE HAVE TWO ANNUAL TOWN HALL TYPE PROGRAMS. WE HAVEN'T BEEN IN OCTOBER AND IN APRIL.
AND SO THE QUESTION WAS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO COINCIDE? OH YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT BREAKOUT SESSIONS BEFORE OR AFTER? WELL, JUST BEFORE OR AFTER SCHOOL, WE HAVE LIKE 200 PEOPLE COME TO THOSE MEETINGS.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
UM, LET'S START TO GET INTO ARTICLE FOUR AND AGAIN, THIS JUST GOING TO BE AN INTEREST IN IT AND WE'LL GET MORE INTO IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS, BUT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, IT'S A DRY TERM, BUT THIS IS THE WHOLE GAMUT OF LANDSCAPING AND BUILDING DESIGN AND HOW YOU LAY OUT THE SITE, HOW YOU PROTECT THE, THE WATER RESOURCES, ALL THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE A PLACE SPECIAL.
AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS BEFORE I GET INTO THE SUBSTANCE.
YOU KNOW, ADDISON HAS HAD A REPUTATION FOR A LONG TIME AS BEING AT THE FOREFRONT OF DEVELOPMENT QUALITY AND THE METROPLEX.
AND WHEN WE STARTED WITH YOU ALL AND WITH, WITH CHARLES, HIS PREDECESSOR, ONE
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OF OUR CLEAR MANDATES WAS TO RE-LOOK AT THAT ISSUE BECAUSE THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT HOW DOES IT, IT'S STILL AT THE FOREFRONT BY A LOT OF PEOPLE.AND THERE WAS A THOUGHT BY SOME PEOPLE IS LIKE, WELL, NOW WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED TO GET PAST A LITTLE BIT AND SOME OF THESE TOPICS.
AND SO IT WAS REALLY A CHANCE TO STEP BACK AND JUST REEVALUATE WHERE WE ARE AND HAVE A GOOD CANDID CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE TOPICS IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MINUTES.
REDEVELOPMENT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FIRST.
UM, I THINK, UH, THE, THE STARTING POINT IS THAT ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT MUST COMPLY WITH THE UPDATE AND DEVELOPMENT TEAMS. DEFINITELY YOU'RE DOING A NEW PROJECT, BUT WHAT IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A FULL NEW PROJECT, YOU'RE JUST DOING, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF SMALL THING, LIKE A PATIO EXPANSION OR JUST RE-SKINNING AND BUILDING SOMETHING, NOT, NOT FOR A MEETING THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEFINITION OF A BIG PROJECT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE CODE, THAT SMALLER STUFF, SMALLER REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ONLY COMPLY WITH LIMITED STANDARDS ON THE EFFECTIVE PORTION OF THE SITE AND LARGER PROJECTS BASED ON SOME KIND OF SLIDING SCALE MUST COMPLY WITH ALL OR MOST STANDARDS ON THE SITE.
NOW I'VE GOT A DISCUSSION QUESTION HERE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? DO YOU AGREE WITH KIND OF HAVING A SCALED APPROACH? SO THE SMALL STUFF HAS TO COMPLY WITH LESS.
THE BIG STUFF HAS TO COMPLY WITH MORE.
I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET TOO DOWN INTO THE WEEDS ON WHAT THOSE THRESHOLDS ARE YET.
WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE JUST WANT TO FIND OUT IF THAT'S GENERALLY THE RIGHT PATH TO GO ON, WE HAVE SOME THRESHOLDS IN THE DRAFT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE, BUT GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT DOING A PATIO EXPANSION, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHERE WE, WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
UM, IF SOMEBODY'S JUST COMING IN, THEY'VE GOT AN ESTABLISHED RESTAURANT AND THEY'RE DOING THAT.
HOW DO YOU EXPANSION, UM, SHOULD THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH SOMETHING LIKE A LARGER SCALE? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, REFRESH ON A MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL ARROGANT LIKE PRESTON.
SO, UH, WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE HAVE THESE THRESHOLDS IN THE CODE.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS.
WE HAVE STARTED TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF A TIER ONE, THE MINOR STUFF VERSUS MIGHT BE A TIER TWO.
THE MORE WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT THOUGH, WE DECIDED WE DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY WANT TO GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS ON THAT WITH YOU ALL.
AND WE REALLY WANTED TO JUST KIND OF FOCUS ON THIS BIG PICTURE QUESTION.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S KIND OF AN INITIAL THOUGHT ABOUT THE OVERALL, UM, UH, THE QUESTION OF REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR ADVISORY ON THIS PROJECT HAD A LOT TO SAY ON THIS.
THEY, UH, ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED THAT ANY KIND OF HIGHER STANDARDS FOR A SMALL PROJECT ARE GOING TO KEEP THE MOM AND POP FROM PUTTING ANY KIND OF REINVESTMENT IN THEIR SITES.
THEY REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT THE CODE IS NOT A BARRIER TO INVESTMENT IN MADISON.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S RECOGNITION, YOU KNOW THAT AT SOME, YOU'VE GOT TO RAISE THE BAR AT SOME POINT, AND IF PEOPLE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE, INTO THE PROJECT, THEY NEED TO ULTIMATELY MEET THE HIGHER STANDARDS THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO AFFECT THEM.
AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT LONG-TERM VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST THAT SHORT-TERM ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THAT PROPERTY.
SO A SCALED APPROACH IS AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO FIND A WAY THROUGH THAT, THAT DYNAMIC, REAL DRAWBACKS TO THAT, WHERE THE DRAWBACKS, WELL, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DRAW A LINE SOMEWHERE.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO SET THRESHOLDS, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FEEL LIKE THAT'S ARBITRARY AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FEEL LIKE YOU'VE SET THEM IN THE WRONG PLACE.
AND WHENEVER YOU HAVE AN APPROACH LIKE THAT, I THINK YOU NEED TO MONITOR IT AND ADJUST THOSE THRESHOLDS OVER TIME.
SO IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST STAFF ADMINISTRATION, I THINK, TO THE THINGS, DO YOU DEFINE REDEVELOPMENT OF A NATURAL, LIKE AN ACT OF A TORNADO COMES THROUGH? DOES THAT FALL UNDER REDEVELOPMENT OR DOES THAT GO MORE INTO A GRAND PLAN? I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE OF THE LATTER.
I THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO REBUILD, IT'S GETTING INTO A BIG CONSTRUCTION COST VERSUS TODAY VERSUS SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES.
I MEAN, THAT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON IT AND OWNER TO HAVE TO BUILD.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A CERTAIN CODES THAT ARE NOW, BUT TO TAKE IT TO ANOTHER FULL LEVEL THAT THAT JUST BECOMES ECONOMICALLY, THIS STARTS TO TREAD INTO NONCONFORMITIES.
YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT WERE LEGAL WHEN THEY WERE CREATED, BUT THEY'RE NO LONGER, THEY GO INTO THE CURRENT CODE AND WE CALL THESE THINGS.
SOMETIMES NON-CONFORMING SITE FEATURES, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES GRAPPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU HAVE TO BRING NON-CONFORMING SITE FEATURES INTO COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY IS, IS, UH, I CAN HEAR RESTAURANT EXAMPLE IF, IF THAT HADN'T LANDSCAPED IN YEARS BRINGING UP THE CODE ALONG THOSE SAME LINES.
I MEAN, THIS IS OUR ONLY SOMETIMES OUR ONE CHANCE TO BITE THE APPLE IS WHEN A PROJECT COMES FOR FOUR FOR A FEE OR SOMETHING.
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UH, BUT I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH SMALL BUSINESSES.TRY NOT HAVE TOO MANY OBSTACLES IN FRONT OF THEM.
HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED BEING, MAKING A SOMEWHAT OF A FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN THE TOWN, FOR INSTANCE, ANY PROJECT OR A MUCH SMALLER CRITERIA FOR BUSINESS LONG BELTLINE, WE HAVE THE BELTLINE STANDARD, BUT IT COULD TAKE 20 TO 30 YEARS FOR SOME OF THESE BUSINESS REDEVELOPED, BUT IF ANYBODY DOES SOME REDEVELOPMENT BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO GRAB THAT CHANCE THAT YOU BITE AT THE APPLE AND HAVE THEM READ IT OUT, BELLA, I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LA RODEO DRIVE AS TO RELATIONS, THEN TWO BLOCKS OVER FROM RODEO DRIVE.
AND SO HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MAKING THE SMALL, THE TIERED PORTION IN OTHER PARTS OF, AND, BUT SOME OF THESE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE THEM IN HERE TO HIGHER STANDARDS, WE'VE, WE'VE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE.
UH, I, I THINK WE CAN BE MORE SURGICAL, YOU KNOW, AND HOW THESE TYPES OF RULES THAT ARE APPLIED AND MAYBE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS IN DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHIC AREAS, OR MAYBE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS FOR DIFFERENT TOPICS, YOU KNOW? AND SO YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS FOR PARKING BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY BIG PROBLEM YOU'VE GOT TO SOLVE THEN YOU DO FOR, FOR LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO, UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO OUR, OUR DRAFTING SO FAR BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE DRAFT YET, BUT I THINK WE'VE HEARD THERE IS INTEREST AND TRYING TO BE MORE, MORE STRATEGIC OR SURGICAL.
AND I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH THE TOPICS TONIGHT, BUT ALSO OVER THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS, BE THINKING ABOUT THAT WE COULD HAVE DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS FOR REDEVELOPMENT FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF GROUPS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO IT SOUNDS NICE WHEN WE'RE TALKING IN HERE, BUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT AND THE CONVERSATIONS OF THAT WITH THE INDIVIDUALS IS IT JUST SEEMS VERY ARBITRARY THAT SOMETIMES THIS WILL WORK, BUT IT WON'T WORK OVER HERE AND IT'LL WORK WITH THIS SIZE.
I JUST THINK STAFF WILL GET DRUG INTO THINGS OF BEING, NOT THE ARBITER OF GOOD TASTE OR NOT ENOUGH.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT ANSWER ON WHAT ARE THE DRAWBACKS, AND IT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY CHALLENGING TO EXPLAIN AND TO ENFORCE AND TO HOLD THE LINE.
I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO SOMETHING, UH, LIKE, UH, MR. SOURS, UH, REFERENCE, UH, I THINK THERE'S THE CRITICAL THING WITH THIS PROCESS IS THAT WHEREVER WE LAND, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT TOPIC WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT BECAUSE IT IMPACTS MOST DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IN THE TOWN.
IT'S CRITICAL THAT THAT IS CALIBRATED, UH, AND VERY THOUGHTFULLY BECAUSE IT CAN BE IMPACTFUL AND IT CAN BE SEEN AS AN EQUITY ISSUE AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGE.
BUT I THINK THERE IS CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING SURGICAL AND TAILORED TO ADDISON.
I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO BEAR IN MIND WHAT WE WANT THINGS TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE FUTURE.
IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE AREA RIGHT NOW, THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED FOR THE SAM'S CLUB PROJECT, IT WOULD FIT THAT CRITERIA OF A LESSER SCALE.
AND YET WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT WALL AND WHAT IT COULD BE AND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT'S THERE, UM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS AREA NEEDS, CAN HAVE THIS REGULATION.
THIS AREA CAN HAVE ANOTHER REGULATION WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE COMES IN.
I'D LIKE TO SAY JUST ONE THING.
AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, TYPICALLY READ REDEVELOPMENTS HEART, NO MATTER WHAT, RIGHT.
AND WHAT'S WHERE, WHERE IT'S TYPICALLY IN.
I MAY BE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN HERE, BUT IN MY OBSERVATION WHERE IT TYPICALLY IS EASIER IS WHERE THERE ARE PLACES THAT ARE JUST REALLY RUNDOWN, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S DO THIS.
LET'S LET'S REINVEST IN THIS AREA.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE WANTS ADDISON TO EVER BE REALLY RUNDOWN.
AND SO THE THING THAT, THAT IS THE CONUNDRUM, I THINK IS HOW, HOW DO YOU BALANCE ALL OF THESE COMPETING, UM, UH, THE, THESE COMPETING IDEAS OR VALUES AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN THAT'S REALLY HARD WITHOUT SEEING THE DEGRADATION THAT'S THAT, THAT TYPICALLY IS WHAT MAKES REDEVELOPMENT EASY.
SO I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYBODY.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IT'S NOT EASY AND THE REAL BIG CHALLENGE AND WHY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC AND REALLY REQUIRES THE BEST OF OUR THINKING IS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAY, ALL RIGHT, ADDISON'S GREAT.
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DEVELOP ADDISON AND KEEP IT GREAT GOING FORWARD.AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE A, IT'S A CHALLENGE.
AND IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ALL OF OUR BEST THINKING.
THAT'S JUST A COMMENT I WASN'T INVOLVED IN YOUR PHASE ONE PART.
SO I'M JUST ASKING YOUR PROCESSES.
YOU ARE COMPARING OR REVIEW PART OF YOUR REVIEW PROCESSES.
WHAT ARE COMPETITIVE CITIES THAT KIND OF REALLY COMPETE AGAINST ABOUT WHAT THEIR STANDARDS ARE? SO LIKE IN THAT SCHEDULE THAT YOU JUST HAD UP THERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO CARRY THIS CONVERSATION FURTHER, I THINK IT'D BE SUPER HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT PLAINTIFF BRISCOE PROSPER, LIKE KIND OF WHAT THEIR STANDARDS ARE OR A DISCUSSION OF IT.
WELL, SO DEFINITELY WE'RE DOING KIND OF COMPARATIVE REVIEWS AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PROJECT.
AND LIKE, WHEN WE CAME UP WITH A PART SUGGESTED PARKING RATIOS, WE LOOKED AT ALL YOUR SISTER CITIES AND YOUR NEIGHBOR.
UM, BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, UM, THE, THE REDEVELOPMENT TABLE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOUR SISTER CITIES REALLY TAKE THAT TYPE OF A FORMULAIC APPROACH.
SO, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE DOCUMENT.
THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AMBITIOUS.
WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT TO COME HERE THAT THEY JUST ALL KEEP GOING UP TERMINATES JUST DEVASTATING TO THE CITY.
IT'S IT'S, IT'S JUST BALANCING THAT WITH THE, THE, THE LONG-TERM CONCERN TO TRY TO RAISE THE BAR OR TRY TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF IMPROVEMENT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PART ISSUE FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, UH, MY OBSERVATION WITH ED IN DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IS LACK OF PARKING AND THE SIGNAGE WAS BLOCKED BY THE TREES.
AND THEN, UH, WHEN LEXI EAST DEVELOPED, AND THEN THEY TOOK AWAY THAT PROVINCE.
SO THEY COPIED US AND WHETHER THEY AVOID THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE HAD, SO THAT'S MAKE THEM IN THAT AREA MORE SUCCESSFUL.
THEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK FOR NOW THAT LAKSI WEST DOESN'T HAVE MUCH THAT ESCAPING.
YOU CAN MOVE THAT DOWN THERE, TAKE A LOOK.
SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
SO A LOT OF GOOD MEN RESTAURANT WHEN THEY'RE CROWDED, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM ANY LAND ESCAPE NEEDED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WHO WE COME BACK TO OUR REDEVELOPMENT.
SO WHETHER WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE A STRINGENT REQUIREMENT, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, MAKE COMPARISON WITH THE NEIGHBORING CITY.
THEY USE THE COPIED US AND IMPROVE WHAT THEY WANT.
NOW, IF WE STAY THE SAME, DON'T CHANGE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS. YEAH.
I'M WONDERING IF, UM, IF SOME OF THE CHANGES SPECIFICALLY TO ADDISON CIRCLE, UH, COULD BE THINGS THAT WE COULD DEVELOP, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE CODE RATHER, AND THIS IS SORT OF AN OFF TOPIC, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE HERE IN THE ROOM.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT ADDISON CIRCLE WAS THE FOUNDATION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS BASED AROUND MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF GROUP MENTALITY.
AND THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF IT WAS, UM, AN HONOR TO BE A, SORT OF AN AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS.
IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A LEGACY WEST OR EAST, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THEN, UM, THEN, THEN WHEN, WHEN PLANO DID WHAT THEY DID, AND THEY PROBABLY APPROACHED IT FROM A COMMERCIAL, MAYBE WITH A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER, WITH AN EYE TOWARDS THAT.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE KIND OF LOOKED AT IT AND HE SAID, HOLLY, YOU KNOW, THIS PARKING AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS, AND WE, WE MAKE COMPARISONS.
AND I'M WONDERING IF, UM, IF IT, IF IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADDRESS MORE WITH, UM, I DON'T KNOW, CODE VERSUS A PROGRAM FROM THE CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, I THINK WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SO MUCH LEVERAGE WITH WRITING.
WHICH IS THE GOAL AND THE USER-FRIENDLINESS IS IMPERATIVE.
WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, DEVELOPERS THAT LOOK FORWARD TO DOING DEVELOPMENT HERE AND NOT GETTING FRUSTRATED AND RUNNING DOWN TO THE ISLAND OR WHEREVER.
UM, AND THEN THE LANGUAGE, SO TO MAKE IT SO, UM, NOT VAGUE, BUT, UM, SUCH THAT IT DOESN'T PRESENT SO MANY PROBLEMS FOR STAFF, BUT THAT PROVIDES ENOUGH GUIDANCE.
BUT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER TANGLES, LIKE WITH ADDISON CIRCLE DEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN FIX WITH THE CODE IS KIND
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OF WHERE I'M GOING.THERE'S PROBABLY SOME POLICY, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME POLICY, UM, GUIDANCE THAT'S NEEDED FROM A, UH, SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM PLANNING POLICY, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, NOT REDEVELOPMENTS DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN ADDISON CIRCLE YET, BUT MORE REINVESTMENT.
IF THE GOAL IS TO, FOR IT TO HAVE A HEALTHIER, UH, RETAIL COMMERCIAL BASE TO FILL THE, THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SPACES, THERE'S THINGS THAT WERE DONE LIKE USING THE LEGACY EAST EXAMPLE, UH, CONCENTRATING THAT RETAIL SPACE, NOT HAVING IT DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND FROM A LANDSCAPE STANDPOINT FOR VISIBILITY PURPOSES.
UH, ONE THING THAT THEY DID IN LEGACY IS THEY ALLOWED FOR, UM, LESS OR A LARGER GAP BETWEEN STREET TREES.
UH, SO YOU DID NOT HAVE THE ISSUE OF THESE BEAUTIFUL TREES, WHICH ARE GREAT, AND THEY ADD TREMENDOUS CHARACTER IN THE PROJECT, BUT IT ALSO MAKES IT CHALLENGING FOR THAT MORE TRADITIONAL DRIVE BY TRAFFIC APPROACH, WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T BE ATTRACTED TO THOSE RETAIL SPACES.
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE IT.
AND IT PROBABLY IS A COMBINATION OF POLICY AS WELL AS CODE.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO MOVE US ALONG A LITTLE BIT.
I, I, I WANT TO JUST REMIND YOU ALL THAT, UM, EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A REGULATION OF THE CODE AS WELL.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT INCENTIVIZING THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE, AND THAT COULD BE ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO GET AT SOME OF THESE KIND OF RAISING THE BAR RULES THAT FALL SHORT OF WHAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO REGULATE AND MANDATE.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, COMPETING INTERESTS HERE.
UM, WE'RE TALKING TO CODE YEARS AGO, UH, WHERE THEY WERE KIND OF HAVING A SIMILAR SET OF CHALLENGES, ANCHORAGE, ALASKA, ACTUALLY.
AND THEY WERE MOVING FROM A PLACE THAT HAD REALLY LOW OR NOTHING STANDARDS TO REALLY WANTING TO TRY TO INTRODUCE SOME, SOME, SOME MUCH MORE KIND OF MAINSTREAM.
THEY WERE TRYING TO BUILD A COMMUNITY IN A PLACE THAT HAD BEEN VERY TRANSIENT AND THEIR PERSON THAT THEY ULTIMATELY TOOK ON THIS ISSUE WAS THEY SAID, LOOK FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE OVER A CERTAIN SIZE, YOU GOT TO JUST SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR PROJECT COSTS ON RAISING THE BAR.
YOU CAN PUT IT ON LANDSCAPING, YOU CAN PUT IT ON, YOU KNOW, BETTER PARKING, MAYBE IN YOUR PARKING OR SOMETHING.
IT WAS A SMALL AMOUNT AND YOU COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
AND YOU HAD TO DO SOME, AND THEY LEFT IT UP TO THE APPLICANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKED FOR THEIR SITE.
SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT AN ANCHORAGE, BUT THERE'S JUST, YOU CAN BE CREATIVE ABOUT KIND OF THINKING ABOUT HOW TO TRY TO THREAD THIS THEME OF RAISING THE BAR, BUT ALSO NOT THE COST.
YOU HAVE TO SOLVE THIS TONIGHT, BUT NOBODY'S, NOBODY'S UPSET.
NOBODY'S OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF A SCALED APPROACH TO TRY TO THREATEN THIS VIEW.
BUT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT IS BACK TO YOUR RESTAURANT EXAMPLE.
YOU'VE GOT TWO RESTAURANTS, THEY BOTH WANT A PATIO.
UM, SO IN THAT SCENARIO, YOU'VE GOT A PROPERTY OWNER AND YOU'VE GOT A TENANT.
SO ONE, ONE BUILDING MAYBE, UM, JUST A COVERING OVER THEIR DUMPSTER, BUT ANOTHER ONE NEEDS HARD THOUSAND DOLLARS IN LANDSCAPING WHO GETS THEIR PATTY.
WELL, WE WOULDN'T LET, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE CRITERIA THAT WOULD DISTINGUISH THOSE TWO EXAMPLES.
THOSE WOULDN'T FALL INTO THE SAME BUCKET UNDER WHATEVER WE DRAFTED WHEN YOU SCALE.
I MEAN, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, IF YOU ONLY NEED $5,000, I THINK YOU LOST ME WITH THE WHOLE SCALING THING.
UH, IT'S GOING TO BE OUR JOB TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S A, YOU KNOW, A BIGGER PROJECT THAT MAYBE NEEDS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS VERSUS THIS SMALLER PROJECT.
BUT I PUT IN THAT SCENARIO, YOU WOULD SAY IF IT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR INVESTMENT LANDSCAPE, AND YOU'D SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE'LL SCALE IT DOWN.
YOU WON'T REQUIRE YOU COME UP TO THE STANDARD.
IS THAT IT PROBABLY THE BIGGER COMPARISON WOULD BE SAY A RESTAURANT THAT'S BEING SCRAPED AND FULLY REDEVELOPED VERSUS A RESTAURANT THAT IS JUST ADDING A PATIO.
THE PATIO EXAMPLE WOULD IT UNDER THIS SCENARIO WOULD NOT HAVE TO FULLY COMPLY WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE CODE, WHEREAS THE SCENARIO WHERE THE RESTAURANT SCRAPED AND THEY REBUILD THAT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY.
THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT WOULD BE SAY THAT RESTAURANT, INSTEAD OF BEING SCRAPED, THEY'RE ADDING 10,000 SQUARE FEET IN FLOOR.
THAT'S KIND OF A WEIRD EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL ADDITION.
SO ONCE AGAIN, SOMETHING FAR MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN JUST ADDING A PATIO OR ADDING A FEW PARKING SPACES, WHEREAS ONE IS MINOR AND A MUCH SMALLER
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INVESTMENT AND MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL, LESS IMPACTFUL INVESTMENT, THUS LESS CODE REQUIREMENTS APPLY VERSUS THE OTHER, WHICH IS A BIG CHANGE FOR THE PROPERTY AND IS A LARGER INVESTMENT.THUS MORE CODE REQUIREMENTS ON FOLLOW UP WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID, UH, YOU'RE COMPARING OTHER, OUR SISTER CITIES AROUND US.
WHEN YOU SAID MOST OF THEM AREN'T DOING THIS.
WOULD THIS BE AN ADVANTAGE TO US TO HAVE THE TIERED SYSTEM VERSUS BECAUSE WHAT DO THEY RUN OUT? JUST ANY PROJECT IS REQUIRED TO COME UP WITH THE SAME STANDARDS AS EVEN A BIGGER PROJECT, BECAUSE A SMALLER OR SOMETHING.
DOES THIS GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDGE TO OTHER SISTER CITIES.
I THINK THAT'S IN THE EYE OF THE BOLDER, IF THAT'S AN EDGE OR NOT.
I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SEE THAT AS EXTRA RED TAPE, THAT'S A DISADVANTAGE.
OTHER PEOPLE WOULD APPRECIATE THE PREDICTABILITY AND THE KIND OF REPORTS.
SO IF WE WENT WITH A CARROT APPROACH FOR MINOR PROJECTS THAT, UM, KEEP THE APPLICANT MORE ON A TRACK TO STAY WITHIN OUR UDC, RATHER THAN ASK MORE, UM, MAYBE VEER OFF TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR IS THAT OKAY? YEAH.
COULD BE, UM, THE CHALLENGING PIECE OF THIS IS, IS WHERE IN A REGION WHERE FEW CITIES ARE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING REDEVELOPMENTS, I HAD A SUDDEN IT'S PARTICULARLY UNIQUE AS A SMALL TOWN.
MOST OF THE CITIES THAT ARE EXPERIENCING REDEVELOPMENT ARE MUCH LARGER THAN THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO HAVE A GREAT COMPARISON.
PLAINTIFF'S PROBABLY A GOOD COMPARISON AND THAT IT'S A SIMILAR CONTEXT THAT, BUT WE'RE SMALLER.
BUT, UH, I I'D SAY THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPETITORS, I I'D SAY THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.
WE'LL CERTAINLY, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO MY FRIENDS IN PLANO AND REDEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS, UH, I, I JUST WONDER THIS IS A GOOD KIND OF PLACE TO REMIND US ALL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE CODE HOLISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE LAY OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF IT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT, UM, HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR, TO DO THAT SMALL PROJECT, NOT HAVE TO MAKE A PIVOT.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE USE TABLE, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO MAKE MORE THINGS ALLOWED BY, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO STANDARDS AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL PERMIT.
AND WHEN WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROCEDURES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRYING TO MOVE THE SMALL STUFF THROUGH MORE EFFICIENTLY.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO UP TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY A PUBLIC HEARING OR SOMETHING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE WE CAN GET AT THAT ISSUE OF THE SMALL GUY TRYING TO GET THROUGH.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST ONE PART OF THE PUZZLE.
HOW DO YOU PROPOSE THAT? WE LOOK, UM, UM, FOCUS ON THE HOLISTIC CURVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT CONFLICTING PRIORITIES, AND I THINK WE CAN SEE JUST FROM THE COMMENTS THAT WE JUST HAVE ROUND ROBIN, THERE ARE CONFLICTING PRIORITIES EVEN WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE IF, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ABOUT IS EASE OF USE FOR DEVELOPERS DOING BUSINESS, AND HONESTLY WANTING TO DO BUSINESS, ALISON, BUT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO MAKE IT SERVE SO TOO EASY, MAYBE IN SOME AREAS, BECAUSE THEN YOU THERE'S, UM, YOU COULD RUN INTO PROBLEMS THERE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING WHEN YOU START TO TALK ABOUT SCALE AT SCALE, THE SCALING PIECE OF IT.
I KNOW WE'VE USED DIFFERENT WORDS THAT HERE, THE SCALE AND THESE DIFFERENT WORDS.
UM, BUT, UM, I THINK HE'S, HE, HE'S AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS IMPORTANT AND EASE OF USE FOR THE DEVELOPER AND EASE OF USE FOR STAFF WHILE RETAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDINGS.
HOW DO WE FOCUS? HOW DO WE STAY FOCUSED ON THE HOME? ACTUALLY, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I'M HERE IS TO TRY TO HELP YOU MOVE THIS FORWARD AND TO HELP YOU THINK HOLISTICALLY.
UM, AND WE'RE STILL IN THE SAUSAGE MAKING STAGE.
I MEAN, WE'RE STILL KIND OF LIKE PUTTING THE PIECES TOGETHER AND THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE IS ROLLING OUT THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES.
THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO STEP BACK IF WE HAD THAT CALENDAR SLIDE, I'D SHOW YOU THAT THAT CONSOLIDATED DRAFT IS WHEN WE CAN START TO TEASE OUT SOME OF THOSE BIGGER MESSAGES AND SEE HOW SOME OF THESE THEMES KIND OF THREAD THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING.
UM, SO IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S, THAT'S WHY T CODES TAKE A WHILE TO WRITE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE TO ROLL OUT EACH INDIVIDUAL PIECE, BUT YOU ALL, UH, ARE BEING KIND OF JUST INVITED ALONG AT EACH INCREMENTAL STAGE FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF STEP BACK ANNAPOLIS CONVERSATIONS, BUT I HEAR YOU, IT'S HARD, WHICH THERE'S A LOT OUT THERE.
UH, JUST THE, AS A PIGGYBACK, UH, NUMBER ONE, UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
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VISION CASTING AND, AND, AND, AND DOING THE THING THAT NEEDS TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE BY IN THE FUTURE.SO, UM, UH, I JUST WANNA REMIND S I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT, OF THAT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE GET FRUSTRATED AND WE START TO LOOK DOWN AT WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN, WHAT LEVER WE CAN CONTROL, RIGHT.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW, OR WE'RE UP, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO STAY UP AT THE, AT THE HIGHER LEVEL.
AND SO YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, BUT WHEN, UH, NUMBER TWO, UM, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ADDISON'S TRAILBLAZING IN THE PAST.
UM, WE, WE, IF WE ARE TRAILBLAZING FOR THE FUTURE, IT'S GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO.
AND SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
DO WE WANT TO BE LIKE OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, OR DO WE WANT TO BE SETTING THE NEXT STANDARD? RIGHT.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS, AND, AND REMINDING OURSELVES, WE THINK ABOUT OUR CITIES AROUND US, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE CAN'T COMPARE OURSELVES TO SELENA BECAUSE SELENA HAS GOT HOW MANY ACRES OF GREENFIELD.
AND THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS AND BUILD HOUSES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
THEY'RE GOING TO PROBABLY DO A GREAT JOB AND HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY, BUT IN 60 YEARS, THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.
SO DON'T, SO, SO, UM, I JUST REMIND, AS A REMINDER, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, LOSING TRACK THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO SET THE NEXT STANDARD.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE COMPARE, WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, AS OPPOSED TO APPLES, TO ORANGES.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BY PUTTING STANDARDS AS A SCALE IN PLACE, DOES THAT ENHANCE OR DECREASE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT'S AFFORDED TO PNC AND COUNCIL IN MAKING THOSE DETERMINATIONS? DOES THAT ENHANCE OR DECREASE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR P AND Z AND MAKING WHAT DETERMINATIONS, I'M SORRY, PROJECT.
WELL, UH, YOU MIGHT JUST HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT SET OF CRITERIA YOU'D BE LOOKING AT FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
YOU, YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THE SMALL STUFF.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT DECREASE THE NUMBER OF SMALL THINGS THAT COME BEFORE YOU, IF MORE SMALL PROJECTS COME THROUGH AND JUST DECIDED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT YOU'D BE ABLE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR ENERGIES ON THE BIGGER STUFF AND FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERED KIND OF BIGGER PROJECTS HERE.
UM, YEAH, CONSIDERING I THINK WE ONLY LOOKED AT 16 PROJECTS LAST YEAR.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A REAL ISSUE, SO RIGHT.
WE HAVE ONE MORE BIG TOPIC TO GET TO.
I JUST LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR AND WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THE SCAR TO HALF, BUT THIS IS GOOD CONVERSATION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE THIS TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THIS IS REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK.
AND Y'ALL WERE GETTING A SCOPE WE NEED, WHICH IS TO TAKE YOUR TEMPERATURE ON THIS OVERALL ISSUE OF REDEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A LENS THAT LOOK AT ALL THESE SPECIFIC TOPICS, BUT NOW LET'S START TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC TOPICS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND MUCH TIME HERE BECAUSE THE FLOOD REGULATIONS ARE STAYING THE SAME.
THERE'S NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE GRADING AND DRAINAGE STANDARDS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A CROSS-REFERENCE TO EXTERNAL STUFF.
I'M STARTING WITH THIS BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING TO START WALKING THROUGH THE CONTENTS OF THE, OF THE DOCUMENT AND THE ORDER, AND WE KIND OF ORDER THIS MATERIAL KIND OF FROM THE GROUND UP.
SO THE FIRST THINGS WE LOOK AT ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST THE NATURAL LAND ITSELF AND THE FLOOD PLAINS AND HOW THE SITE IS DEVELOPED.
BUT NOW MOVING ON FROM FLOODS AND GREATEST, WE'RE GOING TO START TO TALK ABOUT CIRCULATION NETWORKS AND HOW YOU GET FROM ONE PLACE TO, AND HOW YOU MOVE AROUND NUTS, BE IT IN A CAR, OR IS IT PEDESTRIAN OR ON A PIKE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEW.
WHEN WE, UH, HAD OUR STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, THIS IS JUST A TOPIC THAT CAME UP IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
NOW, THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO BE COMPREHENSIVE, LOOKING AT VEHICULAR PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CONDUCTIVITY IT'S INTENDED TO ALIGN WITH AND IMPLEMENT YOUR NEW MASTER CHESTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
UH, SOME OF THIS STUFF IS JUST A GOOD PRACTICE.
IT'S JUST KIND OF PROVIDING SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE TOWN CAN REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC STREET IMPROVEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT ARE THE NEW THINGS THAT REQUIRES IS A CIRCULATION PLAN REQUIRED FOR MOST OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF I'M SUBMITTING A SITE PLAN OR SOMETHING, I NEED TO BASICALLY SHOW HOW I'M GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE VARIOUS STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THIS PART OF THE CODE.
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AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS? WELL, STREET CONNECTIVITY, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.SO YOU'RE PUTTING IN A NEW PROJECT AND YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, TIE IT IN WITH THE NETWORKS OF STREETS, SIDEWALKS THAT ARE AROUND THERE.
SO STREET CONNECTIVITY IS REQUIRED WITHIN AND SURROUNDING PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU'RE DOING A CULDESAC, IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE NOT OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE CONNECTED, THERE'S THERE'S PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRE THINGS LIKE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, YOU KNOW, TO HELP PROVIDE, UH, CONNECTIONS, UH, TO THE STREET GENERALLY, JUST TO TRY TO OVERALL INCREASE THAT NETWORK OF CONNECTIVITY, CROSS ACCESS PROVISIONS.
SO IF I'M DOING A PROJECT ON BELTLINE OR SOMETHING, JUST REQUIRING A CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THE BUDDING DEVELOPMENT FOR THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS, YOU ALL ARE DOING A LOT OF PRESS NOW, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE BASIS OF THE CODE STANDARDS.
THIS IS KIND OF RAISING THE BAR AND PUT THEM INTO PLACE AS A CODE STANDARD, MOVING FORWARD, DRIVEWAYS AND ACCESS.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF ACCESS, UH, UH, CIRCULATION PART OF THE CODE.
HOW DO YOU GET ONTO THE ROADWAYS, UH, MUST COMPLY WITH THE TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL STANDARDS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN.
UH, YOUR ROLE NOW IT'S CARRIED FORWARD IS THAT ACCESS POINTS ARE LIMITED TO ONE PER PROPERTY, UH, AND LESS DEVELOPMENT GENERATES HIGHER TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
UH, AND THERE'S VARIOUS ADDITIONAL STANDARDS HERE THAT GET THINGS LIKE DRIVE AWAY LOCATION, UH, PRIVATELY REMOVAL, SURFACING, ET CETERA, JUST COVERING SOME OF THE KEY THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS SECTION PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S KOREAN CIRCULATION.
THIS IS A BUSY SLIDE, BUT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
SO BEFORE I, BEFORE I SHOW YOU THIS SLIDE, I'VE ALREADY SHOWED IT TO YOU, BUT BEFORE WE DIG INTO, UM, THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS THAT IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GET AROUND ADDISON BY CAR, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'LL HAVE PRETTY GOOD ROADS, YOU KNOW, I CAN GET WHEREVER I NEED TO PRETTY FAST AND OUT OF SOME OF MY CAR, BUT WE HAD FEEDBACK FROM STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT TRYING TO WALK SOMEWHERE.
AND YEAH, WE GOT, WE GOT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTES ABOUT REAL CHALLENGES WITH THAT.
AND, AND SOMETIMES IT WAS INTERNAL TO A SITE AND IT WAS INTERNAL TO SOME BIG, OLD THING ON BIG PROJECTS ON BELTLINE.
AND SOMETIMES IT WAS TRYING TO GET FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ANOTHER.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THIS SECTION TRIES TO LOOK AT IS TRYING IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION.
SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF KIND OF AN OLD-SCHOOL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON AN AUTO ORIENTED CORRIDOR.
YOU KNOW, THINK LIKE A BELTLINE, NOT REALLY FOCUSED ON PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION EITHER INTERNALLY OR EXTERNALLY, AND THE, THE CODE COULD REQUIRE BETTER CONNECTIVITY, BOTH INTERNAL TO THE SITES, YOU KNOW, WITH PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PARKING AREA TO THE MAIN BUILDING, A BETTER CONNECTIVITY ON THE SURROUNDING PARTS OF THE SITE WITH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO THE, THE EXTERNAL STREETS.
YOU COULD HAVE A PROJECT THAT INSTEAD OF THAT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A BETTER ON ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIONS TO THE ENTRY POINT, CONNECTIONS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THOSE ARE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A DISCUSSION QUESTION THERE.
A COUPLE OF THEM SHOULD MOST DEVELOPMENT BE REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS KIND OF LOOKING NEXT TURTLE.
UM, BUT WE'RE ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE WE HEARD REALLY CONFLICTING STUFF ON THAT.
AND ADDISON SOMETIMES NO, WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE PRETTY MUCH AN ISLAND, AND WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON WHAT'S WITHIN THESE WALLS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THE STORIES THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS WHERE THE, THIS EXTERNAL CONNECTIONS HAVE BEEN OVERRULED CONCERN, BUT IN A LOT OF PLACES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAID, NO, WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS.
THEY'RE REALLY VALUABLE TO US AND THAT'S CREATE CONNECTIONS.
SO THAT'S THE EXTERNAL QUESTION.
THE SECOND QUESTION, SHOULDN'T PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS BE REQUIRED IN LARGE PARKING LOTS, OR ARE WE GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH HERE, SO TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TYPICAL THING THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE AND MOST COATS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TYPICALLY THE WAY CODES AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE WRITTEN THESE PHASE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK FROM YOUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE DESIGNED PROJECTS WITH THOSE AND PEOPLE NEVER USE THEM AND IT'S REALLY NOT WORTHWHILE.
AND YOU'RE LOSING SOME PARKING SPACES AS WELL.
UM, SO THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARILY WORTHWHILE.
SO THIS WAS A PLACE WE JUST THOUGHT, WE'D ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS WE WERE BRAINSTORMING.
DO YOU ALL THINK THESE ARE GOOD IDEAS? ARE WE GOING DOWN RIGHT? THERE WAS ONE POINT THAT I'VE KNOWN HERE.
YOU DO REFERENCE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
THERE'S ALSO A MASTER TRAILS PLAN THAT WAS JUST UTILIZED.
THAT SEEMS TO ADDRESS A GOOD PART OF THE FIRST PART I WOULD THINK.
SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OBVIOUSLY THE REFERENCES TO THE TRAVEL LANDERS, AND WE'RE GOING TO CATCH UP WITH JENNA AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST YEAR.
WE ALL HAVE MADE PROGRESS THAT WE NEED TO CATCH UP TO THAT OTHER PROJECT.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THESE? SO AN AREA WHERE THE SECOND PIECE PROBABLY COMES UP A LOT AND WE'VE HAD A RECENT DISCUSSION ON THIS A LITTLE BIT ON P AND Z IS THINK OF IT, A DEVELOPMENT LIKE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY AND MOVING AROUND THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN, UM, CERTAINLY THE BALANCE
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OF A PLACE LIKE VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT RETROFITTED IT, AS IT EVOLVES AND ADAPTS WITH, UM, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY LIKE THIS, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD FEATURE, BUT YOU'RE ALSO POTENTIALLY BORROWER AND AGAINST OTHER GOOD FEATURES THAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT AND PARKING LANDSCAPE.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF HOW WE IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IF WE DO ELECT ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND HE SAID, THE KEYWORD, IT'S A BALANCE.
IT IS A BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING PEOPLE WALK IN ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY, IN THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST DANGEROUS THING GOING ON OVER THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
DOES IT COME WITH CONCESSIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IS IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO? I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO SO, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CHANGE THE HOURS LIKE IN HONG KONG AS A STREET, THEY HAVE 80 BARS, 80 BARS OPEN TO YOUR, IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, OVERNIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE SO STRICT GOALS.
SO 80 BARS, ALL RIGHT, WITH THIS SUMMER, WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT AND LAGGING L-SHAPE THEY CALL LANGUAGE.
SO ANYBODY GO TO HONG KONG, IF YOU DON'T GO, DON'T GO THERE TO TAKE A LOOK.
THEN, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO HONG KONG, YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE TO HANG OUT OVER THERE LANGUAGE.
YOU JUST REMEMBER THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO DRIVE IN THE STREET IS BASICALLY THE L SHIFT.
THEY WON'T START UNTIL LIKE SIX O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OPENING ALL THE WAY UNTIL LIKE THREE, FOUR O'CLOCK FOR SEVEN HOURS, THEY CLOSED THE STREET.
YOU CAN ONLY WALK JUST LIKE SIMILAR TO, UH, YOU GO TO A BORDER CITY, THEY HAVE PEARL STREET.
HOW MANY OF YOU BEEN THERE? SO ALL KINDS OF SHOPS, BEAUTIFUL.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WALK SAFELY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
BOB SAID A VIDEO ON POP UP, EVERYBODY DRIVING INTO IS A BIG SHOPPING CENTER.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO WATCH, IT SAYS ANYBODY CAN DRIVE THE AME DRIVE OUT, SO YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT SO MANY AUDIENCE SPACE.
SO IT'S, SO IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT JUST THAT EVEN HIGH PAID A LOT OF AREA THAT JUST DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO DRIVE.
SO THEY BLOCK WITH THE, HOW YOU CALL IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY WALK, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST SO PEOPLE WALKING THE AREA IS SO SAFE AND THEN THEY OPEN UP LATE.
SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU VIEW IT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, AS WELL, THE CUES IN SPECIFIC AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PROMOTE THE CITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND DENSITY IS A BIG FACTOR TO ME TO ANSWER A LOT OF THOSE.
I THINK YOU GOTTA BE BUILT ON PARKWAY VERSUS A TOM THUMB AT MARSH.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED WALKING.
I MEAN, SO TO ME THERE'S ALL THE BALANCE, BUT TO ME, IT'S ALMOST A BALANCE ON THE TYPE OF PROJECT OR THE ZONING MIGHT GO MORE HAND IN HAND WITH THE ZONING.
MAYBE SOME OF THOSE MORE DENSE, MIXED USE DISTRICTS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE THE PLACE FOR MORE OF THOSE MORE FOCUSED ON THOSE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, BUT OKAY.
AND WE DIDN'T PUT, OH, WE SAW THAT ACTUALLY.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO BEEF UP THE PEDESTRIAN FOCUS IN THIS SECTION, AND WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, NOT, UH, NOT TAKE AWAY THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF AN EFFICIENT CAR NETWORK, BUT TRYING TO INTRODUCE THE PEDESTRIANS TO THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.
SO JUST TRYING TO GET YOU ALL YOUR THOUGHTS FLOWING IN THAT THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GENERALLY ON THE RIGHT PATH.
I'M GOING TO DRAW ON AS MUCH AS I CAN.
UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE CIRCULATION PIECE? I HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION.
SO IN EVERYTHING THAT I'VE DISCUSSED SO FAR, IT'S ALWAYS BEING WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT OR MAYBE CONNECTING FROM WITHIN DEVELOPMENT OUT.
BUT WHERE DO WE GET INTO CROSS WALKS, GETTING PEOPLE ACROSS STREETS AND THOSE STANDARDS THAT MIGHT NOT BE PART OF THIS, BUT AT SOME POINT, WHERE DOES THAT CONNECT? I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE OUTSIDE YOUR CODE IN YOUR RIGHT AWAY, UM, CODES, OR IT WOULD TYPICALLY BE IN THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL.
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MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF USES BECAUSE MUCH OF THAT IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.IT'S PRIMARILY A CITY FUNCTION TO IMPROVE THOSE.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT FALLS ON THE DEVELOPER.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S CERTAINLY THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, IN OUR STANDARDS, PARTICULARLY AS WE'RE DOING CIP PROJECTS, IT'S IMPORTANT IF THERE'S A NEED TO HAVE BETTER PEDESTRIAN, CONNECTIVITY AND SAFETY AND THOSE INTERSECTIONS, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, CERTAINLY WE NEED TO BEST ACCOMMODATE THAT AS PART OF THE CIP DESIGN PROCESS.
WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT CITIES OFTEN DO AFTER THEY FINISH UPDATING YOUR CODE IS TO GO BACK AND RE-LOOK AT THEIR CRITERIA MANUALS JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT AND NOT, UM, IT COULD BE INCONSISTENT DEFINITIONS.
IT COULD BE DIFFERENT STREET WIDTHS OR SOMETHING.
THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT INCONSISTENCIES CAN.
SO THAT'S A GOOD THING TO LOOK AT.
THAT WAS A, UH, OVERVIEW OF THE ACCESS AND CIRCULATION PIECE.
THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT TOPIC? OKAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR WHAT WE WANTED TO RAISE TONIGHT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON THE NEXT TOPIC.
WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO SOME INTERESTING STUFF WITH LANDSCAPING AND PARKING AND BUILDING DESIGN AND STUFF PROVISION, BUT THAT IS INTENDED TO BE COMING UP WITH, WE'VE COVERED THESE, THESE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
SO I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GOING TO PAUSE HERE.
UM, WE'VE GOT THESE MEETINGS PLANNED, UH, TO COVER THE TOPICS THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, IN JULY AND AUGUST.
AND THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, ROLL US THROUGH THE REST OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND FOR THOSE MEETING DATES, I'LL BE HAVING, UH, I'LL, UH, WORKING WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AND HERMA TO, UH, START CALENDAR THOSE FOR YOU, SHARING THAT OR COUNSELING PMC SPECIFICS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS WERE WRITTEN IN HERE ONE-ON-ONE OR DO WE THROW IT OUT FOR CONVERSATION NOW OR WHAT, RIGHT.
IF IT'S KIND OF A BIGGER THING, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD PROMPT.
UM, WE, UH, WE'RE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE STARTED TO DEVELOP OVER THE PAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, I'M WORKING MORE VIRTUALLY IS BETTER SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS KIND OF ONLINE COMMENTING ON DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
WELL, BUT WE HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THE WEBSITE AND WE'RE GOING TO USE, WE'RE GOING TO ROLL OUT A TOOL.
THAT'S AN ONLINE COMMENTING TOOL FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE A LOT OF THEM HAVE DONE REAL DEEP DIVES ON THIS STUFF AND WORKING OUT, ALLOW THEM TO DO ONLINE COMMENTING OF, OF INDIVIDUAL STUFF.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, POTENTIALLY COULD, COULD ROLL THAT OUT, UH, TO, TO YOU ALL AS WELL.
I THINK WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION YET, BUT, UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OF INTEREST, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL.
I'LL TALK WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR SPECIFIC STUFF TONIGHT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THEM.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO RAISE NOW? I MEAN, I'M FROM HERE, UH, PLEASE.
YEAH, WE'LL GET IT FROM YOU IN SOME WAY.
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE TINY STEPS HERE COMPARED TO THE TURN OF OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED? ARE WE, ARE THESE GOING TO BE IN SYNC? ARE WE BEHIND ON THIS? CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE INSIGHT ON THAT? SO WE HAVE THIS YEAR THAT WE'VE MISSED.
SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, UM, THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS, HAVING AN AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED WITH A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER BY THE END OF THE YEAR FOR OF HIS PROJECT, UH, CODE IS SCHEDULED FOR, UH, SOME COUNCIL ACTION IN JUNE, DEPENDING ON 2022.
SO DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE LAND PLANNING PROCESS AND MASTER PLANNING FOR THE MASTER DEVELOPER, UM, THEY MAY GET OUT AHEAD OF THIS PROJECT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL HAVE A DRAFT CODE IN WINTER, EARLY SPRING.
SO MUCH OF THE WORK THAT'S DONE, UH, PRIOR TO A VERY ROBUST PUBLIC FEEDBACK PROCESS ON THE FULL CODE, THEY WILL BE THERE.
SO IF THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO BORROW CONTENT FROM THE CODE, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND INFANCY WITH THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE TMP AND THE TRANSITORY FOR DEVELOPMENT WILL BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT THE CODE WILL NOT BE DONE.
IT'S KEN'S POINT JUST TO SIMPLIFY, WE
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WILL TAKE WHAT WE LEARNED AND WHAT'S THE VALUE TO US IN THE PD PROCESS FOR THAT PROJECT AND USE IT TO MAKE THE BEST PROJECT WE CAN.AND, AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT LEGACY IN TERMS OF BUILDING A BETTER MOUSE TRAP BETWEEN ADDISON CIRCLE AND LEGACY, I THINK THIS IS A TEXTBOOK OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM ADDISON CIRCLE AND OTHER PROJECTS IN THE REGION OF THE SCALE OF R AND D.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT PD IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
THE ONE THAT IS A LITTLE MORE GENERIC CONVERSATION.
SO ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS, THERE'S A PARAGRAPH PAGE 34 AND WHATEVER WE HAD, IT'S A PARKING AREAS WITH 50 OR MORE VEHICLES, PARKING SPACES, SELF PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF ONE THAT SEEMS REALLY LIGHT COMPARED TO WHERE THE FUTURE'S GOING LIKE 50.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE LIKE 15 TO 20 OR, I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE FORCING MORE ELECTRICAL ELECTRIC CHARGING ISN'T HERE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE READY TODAY, BUT DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT MORE TO ME FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND LOCATE YOUR ONE CHARGING STATION IS ALL YOU HAVE YOU PUT IN TODAY.
AND THEN SIX TO EIGHT YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND EVERYBODY WANTS THEM.
THAT'S EXPONENTIAL MORE DOLLARS IF HE WOULD'VE JUST HAD IT BUILT EITHER UNDER THE GROUND THAT YOU POP THEM IN, THEY'RE READY TO GO IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT, THAT TO BE THIS FUTURISTIC AND THAT IS NOT, OH, THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING COMMENT.
UM, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, UH, WE GET, WE GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON THOSE NUMBERS AND THERE'S, THERE'S PLACES WHERE THAT'S CONSIDERED VERY HOT.
UM, SO IN MY EXPERIENCE, THIS IS STILL KIND OF EVOLVING.
UM, I, THIS IS ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED AND Y'ALL SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES OVER THE LAST YEAR AND TO SEE IF THEY'VE MADE ANY PROGRESS ON THAT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO UPDATE THOSE RATIOS ON UV CHARGING STATIONS, BUT IT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
UM, I, THE WHOLE NATURE OF PARKING IS EVOLVING REALLY FAST.
WELL, AND, AND I, I HAVE SOME DEVELOPED EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST, AND I THINK THE CITIES THAT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BEST TO WORK WITH DON'T FORCE IT FOR YOU.
NOW, IF IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU NOW THROUGH A DESIGN OR A, YOU KNOW, BUILD IT IN FIVE, 10 YEARS, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS, IT'S A MUCH BETTER WAY TO APPROACH THINGS THAN TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING, BEING PROACTIVE, PROACTIVE VERSUS REACTIVE TO IT COULD BE AN ISSUE LIKE THAT.
THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME, SOME REGULATORY INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE THAT BEHAVIOR.
UM, I THINK THERE'S BENEFIT AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE THAT THERE'S BENEFIT, BUT YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MEET DEMAND AND DEMAND IS ONLY GOING TO GROW.
SO THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO THAT AREN'T GOING TO HARM A CITY OR TOWN.
AND IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THOSE REGULATORY INCENTIVES, GETTING THAT EXTRA BENEFIT, ET CETERA, IT COULD BE WORTH IT.
THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION IS THIS CODE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, OR WILL IT ALSO HAVE RETRO ACTIVE IT'S THE FORMER IT'S INTENDED TO JUST BE GOING FORWARD.
NOW, THAT BEING SAID, WHEN WE GET INTO THE LAST PART OF THE CODE DRAFTING, THE ADMINISTRATION PIECE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT KIND OF RULES FOR TRANSITION.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH STUFF THAT'S IN THE PIPELINE? MOST COMMUNITIES APPLY GOING FORWARD, BUT THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A NUANCE TO THAT CONVERSATION.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IS THE INTENT WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, FOR THAT TO BE THE MOST INTENSE DISTRICT, THE MOST INTENSE DISTRICTS ELAPSED SEVERAL INTO ONE.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT THE MAP PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A SMALL AREA WEST OF THE AIRPORT WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED AND WHILE I'M NOT INTERESTED IN ALLOWING MORE, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF AREA IN THE TOWN WHERE THEY CAN GO.
AND I WOULD NOT THINK YOU'D WANT TO OPEN UP ALL OF WHAT IS THE NEW ALLY FOR THAT.
UM, BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS SLIDE, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW, UM, THESE ARE THE TOPICS YOU ALL HAVE THIS MATERIAL NOW.
I THINK SOME OF YOU ALREADY READ IT.
LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR THINGS IN HERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON OR FOCUS ON IN OUR NEXT PRESENTATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO OUR GOAL FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF THESE IS TO GET Y'ALL THE PRESENTATION A GOOD WEEK IN ADVANCE TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT.
AND WE'D LIKE TO BUILD INTO THE PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR ANY SPECIFIC FOCUS AREAS? SO THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK THAT WE COULD HAVE TO COME, AND WE WILL EMAIL OUT THE SLIDES
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TO YOU TOMORROW MORNING ON THE DATES.IS IT, ARE YOU, IS THE INTENT TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS OR ARE YOU SAYING THIS DAY OR THAT DAY COVERING MATT'S TRIP, UH, TO ADDISON AND WITH THAT TRIP AT A MINIMUM OR DOING ONE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING AND ONE JOINT MEETING OF THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND SOME OF THESE TRIPS, WE WILL HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN SPROUT, SORRY, THE DATES IN THE BOOK, THE ONES WHERE WE WILL BE MEETING.
WHEN YOU SAY THE BOOK, DO YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO MY JULY 21ST, AUGUST 25TH, UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SEND OUT A CONFIRMATION ON THAT TOMORROW, SO YOU CAN CALENDAR THAT.
I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS COMMENTS.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE SQUISHY ON MY RESPONSE TO YOU, BUT WE'RE KIND OF THINKING THROUGH THE BETTER WAY TO GET COMMENTS FROM YOU.
I JUST DON'T WANNA WASTE EVERYBODY'S TIME WHEN IT'S STUPID LITTLE THINGS.
THIS HAS BEEN THE WAY TO GIVE US COMMENTS.
IT'S BEEN SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE WEBSITE.
I'M JUST REALLY CURIOUS IF WE GAVE YOU THAT ABILITY TO GO IN AND DO AN ANNOTATED, YOU KNOW, MARKED UP VERSION OF THE DRAFTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D FIND VALUABLE? WHAT WOULD YOU ALL WANT TO HAVE THAT? OR IT WOULD BE CAREFUL QUESTIONS
THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE, AM I GOING TO GO CHANGE YOUR TECH? YEAH, HONESTLY, WE, WE, WE DON'T USUALLY DO THAT WITH LIKE A COUNCIL OR PLANNING, COMMISSIONING.
IT'S MORE KIND OF A TECHNICAL THING FOR A COMMITTEE, BUT I, YOU ALL ARE ENGAGED IN, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT OPTIONS.
IF PEOPLE WOULD FIND THAT VALUABLE, WE CAN MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.
AND WE AS STAFF, WE WOULD FIND VALUE IN THAT.
SO ANY FEEDBACK YOU CAN GIVE US TO GET THIS CODE CALIBRATED TO THE VISION FOR ADDICTS ON THE MOVING FORWARD, I THINK IT WILL HELP US GET A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GIVE YOU MORE HOMEWORK AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO, BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANT IT.
SO, BUT I REALLY LIKED THIS JOINT MEETING.
SO WE WOULD GET ALL OF THE WISDOM AND FALL ON THE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALWAYS BETTER BECAUSE EVERY BLIND, DIFFERENT LIFE EXPERIENCE AND, YOU KNOW, BEING TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO YOUR INPUT IS GREATER THAN JUST YOU ALL ALONE.
SO ANY MORE QUESTION ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA OR NOT.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO LIKE A SURVEY MONKEY AT THE END OF THESE SESSIONS WHERE YOU SEND OUT QUESTIONS TO THE GROUP AND THERE IS SOME PLACE FOR COMMENTARY AS WELL? SO IT'S RATHER THAN DEPENDING UPON EACH INDIVIDUAL TO BE DILIGENT ENOUGH, TO WRITE A QUESTION AND SEND IT TO ME, MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE'RE JUST FILLING IN SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO YOU.
IF IT'S NOT USEFUL ON THE OTHER HAND, SHE JUST TO DO IT, BUT THAT'S GREAT.
SO DID YOU GET, ARE, DID YOU, UM, I WOULD BE LESS INCLINED TO DO THE ANNOTATION THING AS I WOULD TOO.
I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO DO, UM, AN EMAIL IN COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEBSITE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE CLEARER FOR YOU GUYS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME THROUGH EACH PAGE, OUR EXPERIENCES, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UH, OFFICIALS ENGAGED AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DETAIL.
AND SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, HAVE COMMENTS ON EVERY PAGE AND SOME OF THEM HAVE TWO COMMENTS, BUT THE WHOLE PROJECT PERIOD, YOU KNOW, SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE OPTIONS AVAILABLE RIGHT.
OR USED TO COME IN SO WE CAN CALL THEM OR READ EMAILS.
I THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHO CAN SEE EVERYBODY ELSE'S COMMENTS AND IT MIGHT SPARK SOMETHING UP HERE IN OUR MIND OR MY MIND TO SAY, OH, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS PART? YEAH.
THIS, THIS TOOL WOULD ALSO LET YOU DO A WHOLE THUMBS UP OR A THUMBS DOWN AND OTHER COMMENTS, BUT AGAIN, EVERYBODY ELSE IS AVAILABLE.
SO THIS IS, YEAH, KEVIN, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, BOTH BODIES WILL NEED TO INJECT IRON BEFORE WE COMPLETE.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS JUST LIKE A CUSTOM MADE SOMETHING FOR TOM MADISON.
SO I KNOW IT'S ALREADY DELAYED FOR A YEAR OR SO, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN CATCH UP, I HOPE WE CAN GET THIS DONE FASTER.
AND THEN I'M HOPING, YOU KNOW, TOD DEVELOPER WILL BE CHOSEN SOON AND WE CAN GET EVERYTHING GOING AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, IF WE OTHER FURTHER DEAL,
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I ADJOURN THE MEETING.